[00:00] mrb_bk has joined the channel
[00:02] tk has joined the channel
[00:03] dgathright has joined the channel
[00:03] piscisaureus__ has joined the channel
[00:03] argami_ has joined the channel
[00:05] argami__ has joined the channel
[00:05] rwaldron has joined the channel
[00:05] sriley has joined the channel
[00:05] daleharvey has joined the channel
[00:06] mintbridge has joined the channel
[00:06] argami has joined the channel
[00:07] fmeyer has joined the channel
[00:09] Jaylee_ has joined the channel
[00:09] willwhite has joined the channel
[00:09] sandfox has joined the channel
[00:09] JasonSmith has joined the channel
[00:09] Geminizer has joined the channel
[00:10] owenb has joined the channel
[00:10] argami_ has joined the channel
[00:10] JonMarkGo has joined the channel
[00:12] michaelhartau has joined the channel
[00:13] cmwelsh has joined the channel
[00:13] stonecobra has joined the channel
[00:14] _ralph has joined the channel
[00:14] argami has joined the channel
[00:17] mikeal has joined the channel
[00:19] argami_ has joined the channel
[00:20] argami has joined the channel
[00:21] nicholasf has joined the channel
[00:22] JSONB has joined the channel
[00:22] rtgibbons has joined the channel
[00:22] ramitos has joined the channel
[00:24] Authoritarianism has joined the channel
[00:25] sammmy: Is there a way to have npm pull my project from github to update my package?
[00:28] Authoritarianism has joined the channel
[00:31] gtodd has joined the channel
[00:31] st_luke has joined the channel
[00:32] gtodd: anyone got a physical book/epub type publication (e.g. oreilly animal of some kind) for Node.js ?  ... something that assumes minimal javascript knowledge and builds on it
[00:32] gtodd: keyword = minimal 
[00:33] gtodd:  I like to read above my level and then fill in the blanks with research :)
[00:33] euoia has joined the channel
[00:33] everton has joined the channel
[00:35] WarheadsSE: google "the node book"
[00:36] timoxley has joined the channel
[00:37] michaelhartau has joined the channel
[00:37] gkatsev: so, anyone knows why the repl module isn't documented at all?
[00:37] localhost has joined the channel
[00:38] Brandon_R: i need help
[00:38] gkatsev: Brandon_R: the number to call is 911
[00:38] gkatsev: http://www.instantrimshot.com
[00:38] sammmy: Okay. "Finished" the README for my module https://github.com/samholmes/yarn
[00:38] sammmy: Done with that for the day.
[00:39] whaley has joined the channel
[00:39] agnat_ has joined the channel
[00:40] a_suenami has joined the channel
[00:43] laner has joined the channel
[00:44] ramitos has joined the channel
[00:45] r04r has joined the channel
[00:46] criswell has joined the channel
[00:47] Joeysomo has joined the channel
[00:48] Druid_ has joined the channel
[00:48] rlidwka: gkatsev: http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/repl.html
[00:48] rlidwka: it is documented
[00:49] brianseeders has joined the channel
[00:50] r04r has joined the channel
[00:50] r04r has joined the channel
[00:50] gkatsev: rlidwka: the only thing that is documented is the repl.start command. There's nothing about the object that is returned from that command.
[00:51] fmeyer has joined the channel
[00:51] jamesd has joined the channel
[00:53] igl has joined the channel
[00:53] Knowledge has joined the channel
[00:55] k1ttty has joined the channel
[00:55] rlidwka: well... i dont know. I used to read code, not docs :)
[00:55] r04r has joined the channel
[00:55] dc`_ has joined the channel
[00:56] infynyxx has joined the channel
[00:56] gkatsev: heh
[00:56] madtimber has joined the channel
[00:57] alejandro[away]: sammmy: so what's the deal with yarn? :P
[00:57] TheFuzzball has joined the channel
[00:57] uchuff has joined the channel
[00:58] dylang has joined the channel
[00:58] uchuff has joined the channel
[00:59] BillyBreen has joined the channel
[00:59] argami has joined the channel
[00:59] gkatsev: rlidwka: I'll write something up and make a pull request :)
[00:59] r04r has joined the channel
[00:59] r04r has joined the channel
[01:00] argami has joined the channel
[01:01] willwhite has joined the channel
[01:01] sreeix has joined the channel
[01:02] sj26 has joined the channel
[01:02] shinuza has joined the channel
[01:04] r04r has joined the channel
[01:04] wilmoore has joined the channel
[01:05] argami_ has joined the channel
[01:07] subbyyy has joined the channel
[01:09] r04r has joined the channel
[01:10] argami has joined the channel
[01:10] mikeal has joined the channel
[01:11] Crowb4r has joined the channel
[01:12] drGrove has joined the channel
[01:13] sammmy: alejandromg: Well, what do you want to know?
[01:14] r04r has joined the channel
[01:16] boltR has joined the channel
[01:18] tomh has joined the channel
[01:18] tomh has joined the channel
[01:18] tomh has joined the channel
[01:18] Brandon_R has joined the channel
[01:19] r04r has joined the channel
[01:19] r04r has joined the channel
[01:19] evilnate: 1
[01:20] cconstantine_ has joined the channel
[01:22] argami_ has joined the channel
[01:23] Brandon_R: hi guys
[01:24] thinkt4nk_ has joined the channel
[01:24] r04r has joined the channel
[01:25] evilnate has joined the channel
[01:26] evilnate: node
[01:28] argami has joined the channel
[01:29] r04r has joined the channel
[01:30] arduix has joined the channel
[01:30] astropirate has joined the channel
[01:31] evilnate has joined the channel
[01:31] caolanm has joined the channel
[01:32] evilnate has joined the channel
[01:32] onar_ has joined the channel
[01:33] coderarity has joined the channel
[01:34] evilnate has joined the channel
[01:34] r04r has joined the channel
[01:36] abraxas has joined the channel
[01:37] evilnate: 2
[01:38] evilnate has joined the channel
[01:39] r04r has joined the channel
[01:40] codepal has joined the channel
[01:43] bhelx has joined the channel
[01:44] r04r has joined the channel
[01:45] brainss has joined the channel
[01:46] evilnate has joined the channel
[01:47] evilnate has joined the channel
[01:47] evilnate has joined the channel
[01:47] dekub has joined the channel
[01:48] evilnate has joined the channel
[01:49] evilnate has joined the channel
[01:49] r04r has joined the channel
[01:50] joshontheweb has joined the channel
[01:51] Brandon_R: hi
[01:53] evilnate has joined the channel
[01:53] nicholas_ has joined the channel
[01:53] dc` has joined the channel
[01:54] r04r has joined the channel
[01:55] evilnate has joined the channel
[01:56] yhpark has joined the channel
[01:57] eveiga has joined the channel
[01:57] EhevuTov has joined the channel
[01:58] nichola__ has joined the channel
[01:58] evilnate has joined the channel
[01:58] ako has joined the channel
[01:58] eveiga: Hello! Can I have a a file with a Class that inherits from the eventEmmiter module, that emits a custom event that is being listened by another class in another file?
[01:59] r04r has joined the channel
[01:59] patcito has joined the channel
[02:01] Brandon_R: try it and see
[02:01] evilnate: eveiga: i don't see why not
[02:01] eveiga: I'm trying, I have a console log in the callback of the event listener that is not being fired
[02:01] rurufufuss has joined the channel
[02:02] codepal has joined the channel
[02:02] conner has joined the channel
[02:03] eveiga: suppose I have 3 files, a.js, b.js and c.js: a.js has the createServer and requires b.js. For every incoming request it calls a function in b.js! Than that same function emits a custom event that is being listened in c.js
[02:03] mikeal has joined the channel
[02:03] r04r has joined the channel
[02:03] syntaxiko has joined the channel
[02:03] kvda has joined the channel
[02:04] evilnate has joined the channel
[02:04] eveiga: All is fine, but somehow the on the listener of c.js is being fired, so I suppose I'm not catching the emmited event
[02:04] kvda: Anyone used ender in production (ender.no.de)?
[02:05] eveiga: evilnate: All is fine, but somehow the callback of the listener of c.js is not being fired, so I suppose I'm not catching the emmited event
[02:05] evilnate: eveiga: gist some code
[02:05] eveiga: ok
[02:05] eveiga: just a sec
[02:07] argami has joined the channel
[02:08] r04r has joined the channel
[02:09] Authoritarianism has joined the channel
[02:10] argami has joined the channel
[02:11] evilnate has joined the channel
[02:11] eveiga: evilnate: https://gist.github.com/2202304
[02:12] eveiga: evilnate: The problem is at the bottom on the cache.js, I can't see that console.log("DATA") while making a request..
[02:13] t0mmyvyo has joined the channel
[02:13] argami_ has joined the channel
[02:15] eveiga: Can anybody help me with this one? https://gist.github.com/2202304
[02:15] Brandon_R: hey guys
[02:15] ditesh|cassini has joined the channel
[02:15] eveiga: I can't get the console.log on cache.hs
[02:15] eveiga: working
[02:15] Brandon_R: does suing protobug for messages increase latency in games by a noticable amount?
[02:15] r04r has joined the channel
[02:15] r04r has joined the channel
[02:18] piscisaureus_ has joined the channel
[02:19] panchot has joined the channel
[02:19] thinkt4nk has joined the channel
[02:21] r04r has joined the channel
[02:23] timoxley: Brandon_R benchmark it? What do you want protobuf for?
[02:23] Brandon_R: to transport updates
[02:23] Brandon_R: like coordinates
[02:23] panchot_ has joined the channel
[02:23] nicholas_ has joined the channel
[02:23] Brandon_R: text messages
[02:23] Brandon_R: etc
[02:23] timoxley: Brandon_R between what and what
[02:23] Brandon_R: protobuf and a custom protocol
[02:24] Brandon_R: like xcoord=p|ycoord=o|zcoord=a etc
[02:24] timoxley: Brandon_R no, I mean between what services?
[02:25] Brandon_R: what do you mean service?
[02:25] r04r has joined the channel
[02:27] timoxley: Brandon_R I assume you're trying to get interoperability between two services, eg, a master game state server and a node cluster or something
[02:27] Brandon_R: nah, just between a client and a server
[02:27] timoxley: Brandon_R what is the client
[02:28] Brandon_R: the game that the user plays
[02:28] panchot has joined the channel
[02:28] Brandon_R: and the server takes the packets from the users and sends it to all the other connected players
[02:28] timoxley: Brandon_R is it a browser? a directx game? is it on a remote machine? same machine?
[02:29] Brandon_R: box2dc++
[02:29] timoxley: Brandon_R ok, understood. 
[02:30] Brandon_R: i doubt this game would need stuff like clusters and nodes etc. one machine could probably handle my expected traffic
[02:30] r04r has joined the channel
[02:30] timoxley: Brandon_R understood. I was just trying to figure out why you wanted protocol buffers instead of json over http/sockets. 
[02:30] nateps has joined the channel
[02:31] Brandon_R: no http here :P
[02:31] Brandon_R: but i am using libuv
[02:31] Brandon_R: which is why i asked in the node irc :P
[02:31] argami has joined the channel
[02:33] argami has joined the channel
[02:33] t0mmyvyo has joined the channel
[02:35] skm has joined the channel
[02:36] dc`_ has joined the channel
[02:36] r04r has joined the channel
[02:39] necromancer has joined the channel
[02:41] r04r has joined the channel
[02:42] polardude has joined the channel
[02:43] zackattack has joined the channel
[02:44] maletor has joined the channel
[02:44] dc`_ has joined the channel
[02:44] kriskowal has joined the channel
[02:45] khrome has joined the channel
[02:46] r04r has joined the channel
[02:50] cody-- has joined the channel
[02:50] willwhite has joined the channel
[02:51] r04r has joined the channel
[02:55] argami has joined the channel
[02:56] jryans has joined the channel
[02:56] argami has joined the channel
[02:56] w_chan has joined the channel
[02:56] brianleroux has joined the channel
[02:56] Harzilein has joined the channel
[02:56] Harzilein: hi
[02:57] incon has joined the channel
[02:57] r04r has joined the channel
[02:57] denom has joined the channel
[02:57] willwhite has joined the channel
[02:57] denom: is there a nice way to step outside my system's package manager to install node? something like RVM for node?
[02:58] Harzilein: do you know of a good website with examples for accumulating the results of a number of asynchronous calls and calling a callback when all are finished?
[02:58] jnbek has joined the channel
[02:59] polardude: Anyone can help me with mongoose-auth?
[02:59] Harzilein: something like fs.stat for an array of paths maybe
[03:00] panchot: tell me your issue polardude
[03:00] w_chan has left the channel
[03:00] Brandon_R: hi
[03:01] argami_ has joined the channel
[03:01] Harzilein: denom: i just made a guess at the name "nodebrew" and it looks like such a thing exists. don't know any specifics of course.
[03:02] r04r has joined the channel
[03:02] UnCO has joined the channel
[03:02] dekub has left the channel
[03:02] argami has joined the channel
[03:03] khrome has joined the channel
[03:03] denom: Harzilein, I'm wondering why the latest version that Debian has is 4.12-3 ?
[03:03] timoxley has joined the channel
[03:03] denom: is the latest version of node greater than 6?
[03:04] denom: do people still use node 4.x?
[03:04] khrome has joined the channel
[03:04] Harzilein: denom: unstable has 0.6.12
[03:04] timoxley: denom most people have moved to 0.6.x AFAIK
[03:05] timoxley: Harzilein 0.6.13
[03:05] timoxley: and it's stable.
[03:05] Harzilein: timoxley: you should read the question before critizising my answer
[03:05] timoxley: Harzilein actually 0.6.14
[03:05] Harzilein: timoxley: you should read the question before critizising my answer
[03:06] polardude: panchot: I want to access my user object in my views to retrieve additional params
[03:06] timoxley: Harzilein what.
[03:06] ybit: i've got a paths issue
[03:06] ybit: Error: Cannot find module '/user/local/bin/node.io'
[03:06] Lorentz: there's nothing wrong with deploying latest node on debian stable, right
[03:06] polardude: panchot: that I set in ExtraParams
[03:06] ybit: the test.js file only contains nodeio = require("node.io")
[03:06] Harzilein: timoxley: he was asking about node versions in debian. debian stable has 0.4.12, debian unstable has 0.6.12
[03:06] polardude: panchot: only the id can be retrieved
[03:07] ybit: i even tried nodio = require("/usr/local/bin/node.io"
[03:07] timoxley: Harzilein sorry, I may have missed first line of question.
[03:07] timoxley: ybit is it really looking in /user not /usr
[03:07] ybit: i installed cloud9 from npm and i get a similar error when i try to launch it
[03:07] r04r has joined the channel
[03:07] ybit: ah
[03:07] ybit: i meant /usr
[03:07] Harzilein: anyone has some pointers for my question?
[03:07] r04r has joined the channel
[03:07] ybit: yes, it's looking in /usr
[03:07] panchot: polardude: you can access your user data with the "user" variable
[03:08] dnolen has joined the channel
[03:08] ybit: wait, i typed user o.O
[03:08] ybit: Error: require.paths is removed. Use node_modules folders, or the NODE_PATH environment variable instead.
[03:08] pid has joined the channel
[03:08] ybit: so what about that error from cloud9 when i try launching it?
[03:08] warz has joined the channel
[03:08] warz has joined the channel
[03:08] dnolen_ has joined the channel
[03:08] jacobolus has joined the channel
[03:08] ybit: i did a npm instal -g cloud9 
[03:08] Harzilein: i might extend my question as follows:
[03:08] ybit: and that's the error received when attempting to launch it
[03:09] Harzilein: do you know of a good website with examples _or a good book_ that covers accumulating the results of a number of asynchronous calls and calling a callback when all are finished?
[03:09] polardude: panchot: namely, "everyauth.user.name.first"?
[03:09] ybit: timoxley: thanks for catching that clumsy /user/ error :)
[03:09] Harzilein: so far i haven't found anything for what should be a common idiom
[03:09] astropirate: Harzilein, Async.js is your friend
[03:09] panchot: polardude: You can user everyauth.user
[03:10] panchot: polardude: But there is an alias called "user"
[03:10] polardude: panchot: "user.name.first"?
[03:10] panchot: polardude: So you can use user.name.first
[03:10] panchot: polardude: yep
[03:10] Harzilein: astropirate: i'll have a look, thanks.
[03:10] polardude: panchot: let me pastebin something
[03:10] polardude: g
[03:11] timoxley: Harzilein +1 to astropirate's suggestion. something like async's .map() or .parallel() will cure what ails you
[03:12] panchot: polardude: Shoot me
[03:13] r04r has joined the channel
[03:15] ybit: i shouldn't have to type in foobar = require('usr/local/bin/foobar');
[03:16] ybit: in my path i have $PATH:/usr/local/bin
[03:16] ybit: i then sourced the ~/.bashrc file and i get the same 'cannot file node.io' error
[03:17] polardude: panchot: http://pastie.org/3669559
[03:18] r04r has joined the channel
[03:18] ybit: there was some installation guide on joyent's github page that followed sometime last year
[03:18] ybit: wish i could find it
[03:18] panchot: polardude: check your error message
[03:18] polardude: panchot: "h2 #{user.name.first} - #{user.agent_id}" <-- Even that doesn't work
[03:18] panchot: polardude: - if (!everyauth.loggedIn)
[03:19] panchot: replace
[03:19] panchot: polardude: replace - if (!everyauth.loggedIn) with - if (everyauth.loggedIn)
[03:19] ybit: https://gist.github.com/579814
[03:19] ybit: ah
[03:20] mikeal has joined the channel
[03:20] polardude: panchot: Thanks! Damn… That took a while for me to figure out
[03:20] kejun has joined the channel
[03:20] automata has joined the channel
[03:20] panchot: polardude: Enjoy!
[03:21] polardude: panchot: any recommendations on understanding the myriad structure of your typical module / callbacks?
[03:21] sh1mmer has joined the channel
[03:21] polardude: panchot: I'm finding myself easily lost when dealing with such structure
[03:22] totallymike has joined the channel
[03:22] panchot: polardude: I think i dont understand you (my main language is spanish, but try asking me again)
[03:23] r04r has joined the channel
[03:23] polardude: panchot: any recommendations on understanding structures with an average module / callbacks?
[03:24] bradleymeck has joined the channel
[03:24] kejun has joined the channel
[03:25] benvie has joined the channel
[03:26] panchot: polardude: mmm, Maybe reading some code from interesting libraries from people like https://github.com/guille or https://github.com/visionmedia
[03:26] benvie has joined the channel
[03:27] argami_ has joined the channel
[03:28] polardude: panchot: ahh, thanks
[03:29] r04r has joined the channel
[03:30] joshsmith has joined the channel
[03:30] argami has joined the channel
[03:32] indutny has joined the channel
[03:35] r04r has joined the channel
[03:38] hdon- has joined the channel
[03:38] petschm_ has joined the channel
[03:38] ybit: the answer to my cloud9 issue: https://github.com/ajaxorg/cloud9/issues/281 :: they support anolder version of node
[03:38] satyr has joined the channel
[03:39] spion has joined the channel
[03:39] Harzilein: dima: huh? wieso dank schrat?
[03:39] Harzilein: ewin
[03:40] r04r has joined the channel
[03:45] r04r has joined the channel
[03:46] average_drifter has joined the channel
[03:47] Stoobles has joined the channel
[03:49] dshaw_ has joined the channel
[03:49] jaxzin has joined the channel
[03:50] nicholas_ has joined the channel
[03:51] joshsmith has joined the channel
[03:51] r04r has joined the channel
[03:53] xananax has joined the channel
[03:53] alejandromg has joined the channel
[03:53] dr0id has joined the channel
[03:55] xananax: I am trying to use fs.watchFile but the event is firing twice each time I save a file
[03:55] xananax: Is there a good simple example of how to watch a file and act upon changes?
[03:55] astropirate: xananax, try saving it with another editor
[03:55] joshsmith has joined the channel
[03:57] r04r has joined the channel
[03:57] uc has joined the channel
[03:57] r04r has joined the channel
[03:58] xananax: astropirate, yup, that worked. I was using vim
[03:58] xananax: with gedit the event fires once
[03:58] xananax: why is that?
[03:59] meandi14 has joined the channel
[04:01] iaincarsberg has joined the channel
[04:01] xananax: hum if I check for file.nlink === 0 I get no problem
[04:01] xananax: seems vim deletes the file before saving it?
[04:02] Stoobles: Huh. That's interesting
[04:02] astropirate: freaky
[04:02] r04r has joined the channel
[04:02] r04r has joined the channel
[04:03] xananax: weird stuff...Anyway it's fixed for now, thanks!
[04:03] astropirate: yw
[04:05] Stoobles: What's a good way of serving static content such as an external style sheet off of a node.js server I'm prototyping with?
[04:06] xananax: Stoobles, there is plenty of static file servers in the nodes modules
[04:06] xananax: express comes with one and I think connect has one too
[04:06] Stoobles: Alright, I'll have to take a look
[04:07] r04r has joined the channel
[04:10] orlandovftw has joined the channel
[04:12] orlandovftw has joined the channel
[04:12] orlandovftw has joined the channel
[04:12] r04r has joined the channel
[04:12] r04r has joined the channel
[04:13] Lemminkainen has joined the channel
[04:13] recur has joined the channel
[04:15] admc has joined the channel
[04:16] Knowledge has joined the channel
[04:17] r04r has joined the channel
[04:18] jgornick has joined the channel
[04:22] jesusabdullah: express and connect use the same one
[04:22] jesusabdullah: and they work reasonably well
[04:22] tlack_ has joined the channel
[04:23] jerkchicken has joined the channel
[04:23] r04r has joined the channel
[04:24] josephw has joined the channel
[04:26] skm has joined the channel
[04:26] ovaillancourt has joined the channel
[04:28] r04r has joined the channel
[04:33] r04r has joined the channel
[04:34] njain has joined the channel
[04:35] haandol has joined the channel
[04:35] indy3 has joined the channel
[04:37] Stoobles: @jesusabdullah: Same what?
[04:38] r04r has joined the channel
[04:38] hdon- has joined the channel
[04:41] evilnate has joined the channel
[04:41] jeffhorton has joined the channel
[04:42] rwaldron has joined the channel
[04:42] r04r has joined the channel
[04:42] r04r has joined the channel
[04:48] r04r has joined the channel
[04:50] nsolsen has joined the channel
[04:50] yawNO has joined the channel
[04:52] argami has joined the channel
[04:53] r04r has joined the channel
[04:53] r04r has joined the channel
[04:55] sreeix has joined the channel
[04:57] nateps has joined the channel
[04:58] r04r has joined the channel
[04:58] dshaw_ has joined the channel
[04:59] astropirate has joined the channel
[04:59] magn3ts has joined the channel
[05:04] r04r has joined the channel
[05:04] dragansah has joined the channel
[05:05] gavin_huang has joined the channel
[05:10] fangel has joined the channel
[05:10] r04r has joined the channel
[05:10] jploh has joined the channel
[05:11] caolanm has joined the channel
[05:14] satyr has joined the channel
[05:15] r04r has joined the channel
[05:15] jploh: I'm exploring Node.js and interested to try out NoSQL too. Which one should I try first, MongoDB or CouchDB?
[05:17] astropirate: jploh, flip a coin
[05:17] astropirate: but if you are really poor and can't afford coins, go with mongodb
[05:19] alogvinenko has joined the channel
[05:19] alogvinenko has left the channel
[05:21] r04r has joined the channel
[05:21] r04r has joined the channel
[05:23] devongovett has joined the channel
[05:25] Morkel has joined the channel
[05:25] methoddk: jploh mongo. stupidly easy to learn
[05:26] methoddk: all the basics can be picked up in an hour or two, its like handling JSON
[05:26] jploh: Thanks astropirate and methoddk!
[05:27] jploh: Oh almost forgot my follow up question, which driver works best? node-mongodb-native?
[05:27] skm has joined the channel
[05:27] enjalot has joined the channel
[05:27] r04r has joined the channel
[05:27] r04r has joined the channel
[05:28] jspiros has joined the channel
[05:29] sheenobu has joined the channel
[05:30] ewalker has joined the channel
[05:32] MerlinDMC has joined the channel
[05:32] BombStrike: jploh, node-mongodb-native works well. if you want though you can also check mongoose, it's from the same guys as socket.io and provides a nice abstraction: http://mongoosejs.com/
[05:33] wookiehangover: if you're using mongo there's no reason to not use mongoose, IMO
[05:33] Timmy has joined the channel
[05:33] r04r has joined the channel
[05:33] mattgifford has joined the channel
[05:35] arduix has joined the channel
[05:37] jploh: Thanks for the replies! Awesome community!
[05:38] r04r has joined the channel
[05:38] zerokillex has joined the channel
[05:40] Qalqi has joined the channel
[05:44] yaymukund has joined the channel
[05:45] Typo has joined the channel
[05:45] r04r has joined the channel
[05:45] r04r has joined the channel
[05:46] tornad has joined the channel
[05:49] Emmanuel` has joined the channel
[05:50] mandric has joined the channel
[05:50] r04r has joined the channel
[05:53] graeme_f has joined the channel
[05:53] Chel has joined the channel
[05:54] boltR has joined the channel
[05:54] Chel has joined the channel
[05:54] r04r has joined the channel
[05:56] yawNO has joined the channel
[05:56] confoocious has joined the channel
[05:56] yawNO: hello
[06:01] yawNO has joined the channel
[06:02] jryans has joined the channel
[06:03] r04r has joined the channel
[06:03] oldsplice has joined the channel
[06:04] fangel has joined the channel
[06:06] hellp has joined the channel
[06:06] Qalqi has joined the channel
[06:07] pvankouteren has joined the channel
[06:10] r04r has joined the channel
[06:10] r04r has joined the channel
[06:10] robm_ has joined the channel
[06:10] evilnate has joined the channel
[06:11] robm has joined the channel
[06:15] r04r has joined the channel
[06:19] evilnate has joined the channel
[06:19] oldsplice: Is this channel dead or what?
[06:19] Gekz: yes.
[06:19] Gekz: go home.
[06:20] lzskiss has joined the channel
[06:20] evilnate: harsh
[06:20] oldsplice: evilnate: He's just playin'
[06:20] oldsplice: anyone working on a github project?
[06:20] evilnate: :P
[06:20] oldsplice: :<
[06:21] oldsplice: :|
[06:21] oldsplice: :>
[06:21] evilnate: :S
[06:21] oldsplice: :o
[06:22] r04r has joined the channel
[06:26] r04r has joined the channel
[06:27] evilnate: :S
[06:27] sinclair has joined the channel
[06:27] TheAlphaNerd: ero evilnate 
[06:28] gregmoreno has joined the channel
[06:28] satyr has joined the channel
[06:30] garrensm_ has joined the channel
[06:32] zdk has joined the channel
[06:32] r04r has joined the channel
[06:33] fangel has joined the channel
[06:33] WarheadsSE has joined the channel
[06:33] neoesque has joined the channel
[06:34] sinclair: anyone know if there is a JavaScript interpreter for Python
[06:34] sinclair: written 100% in pure python
[06:35] evilnate: sinclair: not that i know of
[06:35] Octayn: I know that there isn't.
[06:35] evilnate: but i know that Python itself has been compiled to JavaScript
[06:36] Swaagie has joined the channel
[06:36] sinclair: i really need the ability to execute JavaScript from Python 
[06:36] TooTallNate: http://syntensity.com/static/python.html
[06:37] Octayn: sinclair: spawn a child process and pipe in stuff?
[06:37] sinclair: yeah
[06:37] Octayn: There's also python-spidermonkey
[06:38] guidocalvano has joined the channel
[06:38] sinclair: it needs to be 100% python
[06:38] sinclair: python spidermonkey has native C modules
[06:38] Octayn: Why such an arbitrary restriction?
[06:38] r04r has joined the channel
[06:38] evilnate: sinclair: what you're looking for hasn't been written
[06:38] sinclair: AppEngine
[06:39] neshaug has joined the channel
[06:39] BombStrike: there is Rhino from Mozilla but that's Java, outside of it most if not all implementations are C/ObjC/C++
[06:40] ph^ has joined the channel
[06:41] sinclair: yeah, thought about biting the bullet and going Java
[06:41] sinclair: but not really keen
[06:41] TheAlphaNerd: sinclair: you could use osc
[06:41] TheAlphaNerd: to send the data between the two
[06:41] sinclair: osc?
[06:41] TheAlphaNerd: open sound control
[06:41] TheAlphaNerd: udp messages basically
[06:42] sinclair: why would i do that?
[06:42] russfrank has joined the channel
[06:42] cjheath has joined the channel
[06:42] tornad has joined the channel
[06:42] sinclair: i can pass data between the two languages with JSON
[06:42] Octayn: ...
[06:42] TheAlphaNerd: maybe I misunderstood what you wanted to do
[06:42] Octayn: But you can't pass javascript to be executed
[06:42] TheAlphaNerd: do you want to execute multiple scripts?
[06:42] TheAlphaNerd: or could you have node running as a js serer
[06:43] BombStrike: if you are very courageous, you could use PLY (Pyton Lex-Yacc) and write your own interpreter :D
[06:43] sinclair: i want to target appengine
[06:43] sinclair: yeah, not really interested in writing my own interpreter, far too much work
[06:43] Octayn: TheAlphaNerd: OSC looks like it has a pretty narrow domain. Wouldn't just http or zeromq be better suited?
[06:44] Paul__ has joined the channel
[06:44] TheAlphaNerd: Octayn: with something like osc you are sending control messages mostly
[06:44] r04r has joined the channel
[06:44] TheAlphaNerd: low latency with udp
[06:44] sinclair: there is not need
[06:44] TheAlphaNerd: as it sounds
[06:44] sinclair: i need logic, not data
[06:45] TheAlphaNerd: what are you working on?
[06:45] sinclair: that's the thing about Python, it cannot be sandboxed (but it can be dynamically loaded in)
[06:45] Octayn: Python sure can be sandboxed, what are you talking about.
[06:45] sinclair: Octayn: how can i run python script with minimum trust?
[06:46] sinclair: from Python
[06:46] hipsterslapfight has joined the channel
[06:46] Octayn: sinclair: Spawn a child process and sandbox the syscalls with ptrace.
[06:46] sinclair: [domain [full trust]] -> loads -> [domain[minimum trust]]
[06:46] owen1: i have a variable, foo. how to add foo to a class of a tag in jade? td.{foo } doesn't work.
[06:46] sinclair: Octayn: oh really?
[06:47] Renegade001 has joined the channel
[06:47] BombStrike: I think I saw some sandboxing library popout recently for python, let me see if I can find it again
[06:47] TheAlphaNerd: and do it with a user with limited system access for good measure :P
[06:47] timoxley has joined the channel
[06:48] sinclair: that's what id be after, noting that on AppEngine, i need to restrict access to the AppEngine datastore
[06:48] sinclair: probably limit it to read
[06:48] BombStrike: https://github.com/haypo/pysandbox < there you go
[06:49] sinclair: thanks, ill check it out
[06:49] AdamGoodrich has joined the channel
[06:50] dobber has joined the channel
[06:50] Octayn: There's also exocet, but I don
[06:50] Octayn: 't think dash has developed it for a year
[06:51] r04r has joined the channel
[06:51] groom has joined the channel
[06:52] mikedeboer has joined the channel
[06:53] sinclair: this channel is very helpful
[06:53] simenbrekken has joined the channel
[06:54] dragansah has joined the channel
[06:54] Joeysomo has joined the channel
[06:58] Blkt` has joined the channel
[06:59] Authoritarianism has joined the channel
[06:59] r04r has joined the channel
[07:02] gekko_ has joined the channel
[07:04] r04r has joined the channel
[07:04] r04r has joined the channel
[07:08] niloy has joined the channel
[07:08] `3rdEden has joined the channel
[07:09] mikeal has joined the channel
[07:09] chovy has joined the channel
[07:09] trivol has joined the channel
[07:09] r04r has joined the channel
[07:10] ablomen has joined the channel
[07:11] arvidkahl has joined the channel
[07:12] limmy has joined the channel
[07:14] Fabryz has joined the channel
[07:14] r04r has joined the channel
[07:16] SamuraiJack has joined the channel
[07:17] krnl has joined the channel
[07:17] krnl: hi, i need some persistent keyvalue storage in my app without the need of external app like redis or sthng like this. what do you recommend?
[07:18] fmeyer has joined the channel
[07:19] oal has joined the channel
[07:19] r04r has joined the channel
[07:19] TooTallNate: krnl: maybe try Kyoto Cabinet
[07:19] TooTallNate: https://github.com/weaver/node-kyoto
[07:20] krnl: thnx
[07:20] MerlinDMC: or just redis without external redis ;) https://github.com/visionmedia/nedis
[07:20] benvie: what in theory stops ptr.js from being totally virtualize
[07:20] rio{ has joined the channel
[07:21] Doikor: or just use a array with objects that have 2 fields (key and a value)
[07:21] orkz has joined the channel
[07:23] rahul has joined the channel
[07:23] cha0s has joined the channel
[07:23] rahul: hey is anyone here ?
[07:23] benjixx has joined the channel
[07:23] rahul: when i post data to my node.js program
[07:23] rahul: the post data gets truncated 
[07:24] rahul: is there any way to resolve this ?
[07:24] kvda has joined the channel
[07:24] r04r has joined the channel
[07:24] r04r has joined the channel
[07:25] krnl: i'm creating a writeStream and write continuously to it. from an other process i unlink the file, but in the writing process nothing happens, it writes to it as usual, however the file doesnt exists. is there a way to get notified with an event if the file is removed? (without watch()) ?
[07:25] Authoritarianism has joined the channel
[07:25] AD7six has joined the channel
[07:26] ronbas has joined the channel
[07:26] erujolc has joined the channel
[07:26] [AD]Turbo has joined the channel
[07:26] [AD]Turbo: hi there
[07:28] __doc__ has joined the channel
[07:28] joaojeronimo has joined the channel
[07:29] r04r has joined the channel
[07:29] markwubben has joined the channel
[07:30] djcoin has joined the channel
[07:30] ditesh|cassini has joined the channel
[07:30] babab00m has joined the channel
[07:30] tisba has joined the channel
[07:30] dragansah has joined the channel
[07:31] krnl` has joined the channel
[07:31] jacobolus has joined the channel
[07:31] tisba has joined the channel
[07:34] krnl`: is there a way to tell npm to tell gcc to use a user specific include path?
[07:35] michaelhartau has joined the channel
[07:36] r04r has joined the channel
[07:36] Authoritarianism has joined the channel
[07:38] whitman has joined the channel
[07:41] r04r has joined the channel
[07:42] mikeal has joined the channel
[07:43] tylerstalder has joined the channel
[07:47] salva has joined the channel
[07:47] mikeal has joined the channel
[07:48] r04r has joined the channel
[07:48] guidocalvano has joined the channel
[07:51] flou has joined the channel
[07:52] Authoritarianism has joined the channel
[07:53] r04r has joined the channel
[07:55] jomoho has joined the channel
[07:59] ccare_ has joined the channel
[08:00] r04r has joined the channel
[08:02] mikedeboer has joined the channel
[08:03] SiGe has joined the channel
[08:03] Authoritarianism has joined the channel
[08:04] Stoobles has joined the channel
[08:04] hipsterslapfight has joined the channel
[08:04] booyaa: krnl`: any particular reason you don't want to use watch?
[08:05] klaustsen has joined the channel
[08:05] r04r has joined the channel
[08:06] joshontheweb has joined the channel
[08:06] antdillon has joined the channel
[08:07] herbySk has joined the channel
[08:08] pickelsss has joined the channel
[08:08] arduix has joined the channel
[08:11] r04r has joined the channel
[08:11] r04r has joined the channel
[08:12] yawNO has joined the channel
[08:12] graeme_f has joined the channel
[08:12] _olouv_ has joined the channel
[08:13] theCole has joined the channel
[08:15] stafamus has joined the channel
[08:16] kejun has left the channel
[08:17] vguerra has joined the channel
[08:17] rendar has joined the channel
[08:17] r04r has joined the channel
[08:17] r04r has joined the channel
[08:20] timoxley has joined the channel
[08:21] kesor_ has joined the channel
[08:21] hz has joined the channel
[08:23] r04r has joined the channel
[08:24] huggies has joined the channel
[08:25] cosmincx has joined the channel
[08:27] socialhack has joined the channel
[08:27] graeme_f has joined the channel
[08:27] r04r has joined the channel
[08:27] r04r has joined the channel
[08:29] Wizek has joined the channel
[08:29] [[zz]] has joined the channel
[08:29] booyaa has joined the channel
[08:31] sandfox has joined the channel
[08:31] daithi44 has joined the channel
[08:31] rjack has joined the channel
[08:32] r04r has joined the channel
[08:33] hellp has joined the channel
[08:34] erikzaadi has joined the channel
[08:35] hisanori has joined the channel
[08:35] dannyamey has joined the channel
[08:35] Renegade001 has joined the channel
[08:36] Stoobles: I read an article last night... it was pretty hostile, said, "Node is Cancer"...
[08:37] lperrin has joined the channel
[08:37] Stoobles: I dunno if they're right, but I'm interested in people who have actual experience with node.js
[08:38] Octayn: Stoobles: it is a butthurt post whining about ignorant people
[08:39] Stoobles: Yeah, that seems pretty clear
[08:40] Octayn: Node is fine for lots of things, great at some. But it isn't a silver bullet.
[08:42] skylamer` has joined the channel
[08:42] tisba has joined the channel
[08:43] aliem has joined the channel
[08:45] mikeal has joined the channel
[08:46] yawNO has joined the channel
[08:48] jetienne has joined the channel
[08:49] rurufufuss has joined the channel
[08:49] yawNO has joined the channel
[08:49] hipsterslapfight: Stoobles: you mean that article from like 6 months ago? i think all of the issues in it have been addressed by now
[08:49] hipsterslapfight: also the guy admitted it was just a troll anyway
[08:49] Octayn: 'issues'?
[08:50] Fabryz: hello, in express.js: is it possible to pass variables to an .html file like I do to a jade one?
[08:50] hipsterslapfight: he made a couple of interesting points which were rather firmly rebuffed by the community 
[08:50] Octayn: at least the stuff about blocking is perfectly valid
[08:50] aaronmcadam has joined the channel
[08:51] Fabryz: atm I use sendfile to serve the html, but I'd like to pass something from the controller
[08:51] Fabryz: and I don't want to make a jade view, but just plain HTML
[08:52] Brunoz has joined the channel
[08:52] prasak has joined the channel
[08:54] Edy has joined the channel
[08:54] DuoSRX has joined the channel
[08:56] sandfox has joined the channel
[08:57] Dreamer3 has joined the channel
[08:58] mehlah has joined the channel
[09:00] ziyadh has joined the channel
[09:01] herbySk has joined the channel
[09:01] Qalqi has joined the channel
[09:01] jkarsrud has joined the channel
[09:02] Knowledge has joined the channel
[09:02] tokumine has joined the channel
[09:04] sandfox has joined the channel
[09:06] herbySk has joined the channel
[09:07] ctp6360 has joined the channel
[09:08] r04r has joined the channel
[09:08] [[zz]] has joined the channel
[09:13] Vennril has joined the channel
[09:13] misza222 has joined the channel
[09:13] shinuza has joined the channel
[09:14] r04r has joined the channel
[09:14] r04r has joined the channel
[09:16] markwubb_ has joined the channel
[09:17] guidocalvano has joined the channel
[09:21] argami has joined the channel
[09:21] Raynos has joined the channel
[09:21] arduix has joined the channel
[09:23] zackattack has joined the channel
[09:23] vbd has joined the channel
[09:24] vbd: any good resources to learn how to replace bash/shell-scripts with javascript/node.js?
[09:26] Shrink has joined the channel
[09:26] hipsterslapfight has joined the channel
[09:27] DrPheltRight has joined the channel
[09:28] jryans has joined the channel
[09:30] rlidwka has joined the channel
[09:30] SiGe has joined the channel
[09:36] alm0nd has joined the channel
[09:39] arduix has joined the channel
[09:41] markwubb_ has joined the channel
[09:42] dotmariusz has joined the channel
[09:44] munichlinux has joined the channel
[09:45] josh-k has joined the channel
[09:46] bearnard has joined the channel
[09:46] larsschenk has joined the channel
[09:47] larsschenk has left the channel
[09:47] dotmariusz has joined the channel
[09:47] satyr has joined the channel
[09:47] yawNO has joined the channel
[09:51] guidocalvano has joined the channel
[09:54] jzaefferer has joined the channel
[09:55] jzaefferer: I've got this simple connect-based server that outputs static files or an index.html, useful for single-page apps, e.g. with Backbone. Any suggestions how to get rid of or simplify that route function? https://gist.github.com/2204237
[09:56] tisba_ has joined the channel
[09:58] shinuza has joined the channel
[10:01] fermion has joined the channel
[10:02] Vespakoen has joined the channel
[10:04] arduix has joined the channel
[10:06] skylamer`: пьне
[10:06] skylamer`: the public statics in other dir
[10:09] jamesd has joined the channel
[10:11] maritz has joined the channel
[10:11] relix has joined the channel
[10:11] Vespakoen has left the channel
[10:12] guidocalvano_ has joined the channel
[10:12] AnthonyCat has joined the channel
[10:16] booyaa: vbd: prolly not, sysadmin scripts are still few and far between in nodejs. what do you need to port?
[10:17] mehlah has joined the channel
[10:17] munichlinux has joined the channel
[10:17] Cheery has joined the channel
[10:18] Industrial: Anyone here using JugglingDB with MongoDB ?
[10:18] Industrial: I can't get it configured :(
[10:20] sandfox has joined the channel
[10:20] ditesh|cassini has joined the channel
[10:20] mauritslamers has joined the channel
[10:21] salva has joined the channel
[10:22] Cheery: I wonder where to start..
[10:22] sandfox has joined the channel
[10:23] Cheery: I want to write a website attributed for game development.. sort of learning environment.
[10:24] Cheery: which means I'll end up executing user scripts on other users browsers.
[10:24] majek has joined the channel
[10:24] dsabanin has joined the channel
[10:25] framlin: sounds dangerous ...
[10:25] Cheery: I wonder how to handle it such that those user scripts won't be able to tamper with user records.
[10:25] Wizek has joined the channel
[10:27] jetienne has joined the channel
[10:27] Cheery: framlin: it's rather okay if I can just handle it such way that I can limit what those scripts are doing.
[10:27] hackband has joined the channel
[10:27] adrianF has joined the channel
[10:28] dotmariusz: is that even possible though? 
[10:28] dotmariusz: i mean, never seen something like that done - APIs allow that in browsers? 
[10:28] Cheery: I remember we had discussion that the user scripts could be stored in different domain.. which would limit them out from user info.
[10:28] Cheery: but that would require iframe wouldn't it?
[10:29] fivetwentysix has joined the channel
[10:29] fivetwentysix has left the channel
[10:30] Cheery: maybe I need to do it that way..
[10:30] fivetwentysix has joined the channel
[10:30] Cheery: and then check that it works.
[10:30] Cheery: anyway.. I can just as well tell you what I'm planning for. :)
[10:30] fivetwentysix: What's the goto test framework for developing web apps with node.js?
[10:31] archivebot has joined the channel
[10:31] Cheery: fivetwentysix: I thought you don't need a framework for developing web apps with node.js :)
[10:31] Cheery: http://boxbase.org/ether/ <- anyway I did this while ago.
[10:32] fivetwentysix: Cheery: hmm?
[10:33] fivetwentysix: just wondering what the tdd tools are good to start with
[10:33] Cheery: my plan is to make those scripts such that the apps using them update automaticly whenever someone 'saves' the related file.
[10:33] jetienne_ has joined the channel
[10:33] Cheery: with collaborative editor I think it'll become good for teaching things out.
[10:34] Cheery: or just for writing games for sake of it.
[10:34] Cheery: problems in developing good games is that they need lot of tuning.
[10:35] Cheery: and they have that social kick.. people want to make games. :)
[10:35] Cheery: not just consume them.
[10:35] dotmariusz: fivetwentysix, I used Mocha, worked well.
[10:36] maritz: fivetwentysix: mocha nodeunit jasmine zombie tobi... there's tons of them, it pretty much boils down to personal preference and what fits your task best. (zombie and tobi are more for frontend tests, nodeunit is rather basic but does work in node.js and the browser, etc..)
[10:37] jetienne_: mocha is easy, works webbrowser and node.js, definitly worth a try
[10:38] satyr has joined the channel
[10:38] arvidkahl has joined the channel
[10:38] maritz: Cheery: even if you put it on another domain, user scripts may still do harmful stuff. imagine if they do window.location = 'disney.com'! THE HORROR!
[10:39] framlin: Cheery: have you seen this: http://sharejs.org/ ?
[10:39] munichlinux has joined the channel
[10:39] Nss has joined the channel
[10:40] dotmariusz: maritz, disney.com is a malicious site, just check on YouTube, Walt Disney did cartoons about NAZIs back in 1940s! ;)
[10:41] shift_ has joined the channel
[10:43] maritz: dotmariusz: so what? that's not what i'd say is the reason why disnay as a whole is evil :D
[10:43] sandfox has joined the channel
[10:43] skeptic has joined the channel
[10:52] jploh has joined the channel
[10:53] satyr has joined the channel
[10:56] bnoordhuis has joined the channel
[10:57] kesor_ has joined the channel
[10:57] huggies has joined the channel
[10:59] vervain has joined the channel
[10:59] skm has joined the channel
[11:04] ccare has joined the channel
[11:06] enmand has joined the channel
[11:06] literal_username has joined the channel
[11:08] ningu: hmm new jquery was released
[11:08] kwmiebach has joined the channel
[11:11] literal_username: So I'm reading the child_processes documentation, and realizing customFds has been deprecated due to the fact that Windows can't support it, and naturally I think there goes f'ing Microsoft ruining everything again. So I google 'node.js windows', hoping to commiserate with millions of people complaining that node jumped the shark when Joyent got in bed with MS, but instead what I found was results upon results of how to us
[11:12] jploh has joined the channel
[11:13] Epeli: literal_username:  your message got sliced at "of how to us..."
[11:13] literal_username: Epeli: Thanks.
[11:13] literal_username: ... of how to use Node on Windows. I'm confused. Why would anyone in their right mind want to do that? Yes, I know this is flamebait. Just feeling irritated.
[11:14] pgte has joined the channel
[11:16] Epeli: The fact is that majority of (new) users are on Windows and it's lot easier for them to start with Node.js if is natively supported
[11:16] literal_username: I hear that. I understand the desire to make it more accesssible.
[11:16] literal_username: I don't understand the desire to deprecate functionality in order to appease novices.
[11:17] Epeli: Personally I don't care about the Windows support, but I've heard that for PHP proper Windows support was a killer feature which made very popular. I think same could happen for Node too
[11:18] stagas has joined the channel
[11:18] Epeli: literal_username:  the custom fd thing is coming back in another form in 0.8
[11:18] literal_username: Yeah, I don't want Node to immitate PHP. Look at that community. It's all about cheap hacks.
[11:18] literal_username: Oh yeah? That's comforting.
[11:19] jetienne has joined the channel
[11:21] nicholas_ has joined the channel
[11:23] literal_username: I know I'm coming from this elitest standpoint that all "real" programmers use a *nix, and I know I must sound like a duchebag, but it's so trivial to install linux these days, and I'm honestly baffled at why anyone with programming aspirations would want to use Windows anyway.
[11:23] literal_username: I do get that MS gave Joyent money, and that's all it comes down to. I just find it frustrating.
[11:25] kahlin has joined the channel
[11:26] yhpark has joined the channel
[11:29] maritz: literal_username: in what way has it actually affected you except for the customFD thing that'll apparently be rectified in 0.8? I'll give you a hint: mostly in positive ways.
[11:29] kmiyashiro has joined the channel
[11:29] thomaschaaf has joined the channel
[11:29] _rockbot_ has joined the channel
[11:29] jacobolus has joined the channel
[11:30] maritz: i'm not a windows fan myself, but i can see that it's been a good thing for node so far.
[11:30] literal_username: maritz: Please convince me that it's positive.
[11:30] thomaschaaf: What is the most watched / active Web Framework for Node? MVC would be good
[11:30] dylang has joined the channel
[11:30] literal_username: In my mind it just taints the language. I would love to see it as positive.
[11:31] literal_username: er, framework, not language.
[11:31] PsiliPharm has joined the channel
[11:31] maritz: well, you mentioned money. there's a thing you can do with money that is "spending" and if you spend it by getting developers to work full time on something, you're usually gonna end up with more/better stuff than without it.
[11:31] literal_username: maritz: This is true.
[11:31] disappearedng has joined the channel
[11:32] theCole: marienz: unless you have awesome developers developing for a cause bigger than money
[11:32] theCole: maritz: *
[11:32] literal_username: And I would agree if the money came from anywhere else. But MS always follows their embrace, extend, extinguish pattern.
[11:32] maritz: also, it gets a huge corporation behind node.js. now if someone says: "mimimi, java is so enterprisey, don't use node.js because it's small and no one uses it in the real world, mimimi" you go, "fuck you, tell me what software company that is larger than microsoft is using java but not node.js"
[11:33] literal_username: Again, I agree. Yet the community around MS is less than desirable.
[11:34] gekko_ has joined the channel
[11:34] literal_username: jQuery for example has noticeably lost quality in its community since .NET integration.
[11:34] maritz: theCole: but these awesome devs probably won't suddenly stop because they get money for it?! and if they hate money so much, they can just refuse the money, because guess what: node.js is still open source and will always stay open-source (i think).
[11:34] literal_username: I know, you're right. Again, I have nothing against working for money.
[11:35] literal_username: That's not my issue.
[11:35] literal_username: I understand the economics of the situation, and it makes perfect sense. I still think it's sad.
[11:35] ditesh|cassini has joined the channel
[11:36] whh has joined the channel
[11:36] maritz: boohoo :P
[11:36] jploh has joined the channel
[11:36] theCole: maritz: i never said that you were wrong. i was just stating sometimes there is the case when you have some awesome open source collaboration going on just because devs like the idea of building something cool with other devs
[11:36] literal_username: I know, I know. If I was a Joyent employee maybe I'd feel different. But as a user, I don't really need the community to grow so much.
[11:36] theCole: theCole: i get paid to code open, it's the best of both worlds
[11:37] theCole: ^_^
[11:37] maritz: you fucker :D
[11:38] filleokus has joined the channel
[11:38] literal_username: I've gotten paid to code open source a few times. It's cool. But I don't think open source is the end-all-be-all. There's a place in this world for proprietary software.
[11:39] literal_username: My problem with Windows has nothing to do with its license, at least not on principle.
[11:39] literal_username: In practice it probably wouldn't suck as much if they accepted contributions, but who am I kidding.
[11:40] theCole: literal_username: no, open is totally the end-all-be-all -- but that will never happen because most people do not get it
[11:41] literal_username: theCole: You don't own a software based business.
[11:41] literal_username: Open source is great for your compliments, but not your core assets.
[11:41] Juan77 has joined the channel
[11:42] klaustsen has joined the channel
[11:42] fivetwentysix: whats a good resource to learn node development with mocha
[11:43] theCole: what exactly do you mean by "core assets" literal_username 
[11:44] literal_username: theCole: I mean when you run a business, you have assets that the business is based on. They're what gives your company value. You don't want to give that away to your competitors, because that makes profit impossible.
[11:44] maritz: fivetwentysix: you mean how to write tests with mocha?
[11:44] theCole: literal_username: fair enough…I know nothing about the business of software
[11:45] _baton_ has joined the channel
[11:45] literal_username: What you do want to give away are your compliments -- things that people use and that make your business's product or service more valuable by extension.
[11:45] njain has joined the channel
[11:45] fivetwentysix: maritz: any book that teaches the fundamentals of javascript/mocha that would bring me up to speed quickly would do probably
[11:45] literal_username: That's probably what MS is doing with Node.js.
[11:45] maritz: literal_username: there are plenty of ways to profit from open source projects. but they're not as clear cut as selling proprietary software and most people refuse to think about it... :x
[11:46] maritz: fivetwentysix: uhm. go with javascript first, then node.js, then mocha.
[11:46] literal_username: maritz: Well, there are a few successful examples, but more examples of proprietary companies using open source compliments.
[11:47] maritz: fivetwentysix: to start learning js: http://www.codecademy.com/languages/javascript
[11:47] literal_username: maritz: I don't think most people in the software industry refuse to think about it... but I probably live in a bubble.
[11:47] baudehlo has joined the channel
[11:47] maritz: literal_username: yes, but it doesn't mean it's the better option.
[11:48] literal_username: Neither one is better -- they're both good for different reasons and uses.
[11:53] enmand has joined the channel
[11:53] xippi has joined the channel
[11:53] xippi has joined the channel
[11:54] bnoordhuis has joined the channel
[11:55] brianseeders has joined the channel
[11:55] crutex has joined the channel
[11:55] crutex has joined the channel
[11:57] ningu: Javascript Man... he's like Java Man, but with a larger brain case and less prominent brow ridges
[11:57] nsolsen has joined the channel
[12:00] erichynds has joined the channel
[12:00] eugs51 has joined the channel
[12:01] heavysixer has joined the channel
[12:02] larsschenk has joined the channel
[12:02] larsschenk has left the channel
[12:04] dragansah has joined the channel
[12:04] piscisaureus_ has joined the channel
[12:09] bnoordhuis has joined the channel
[12:10] CIA-19: node: 03Shigeki Ohtsu 07master * re7792e5 10/ test/simple/test-tls-honorcipherorder.js : test: add test of tls.createServer(honorCipherOrder=true) - http://git.io/XfvVUQ
[12:10] bEEEviz has joined the channel
[12:11] dmilith_ has joined the channel
[12:11] infynyxx has joined the channel
[12:12] stagas has joined the channel
[12:13] enmand has joined the channel
[12:14] thinkt4nk has joined the channel
[12:15] RLa has joined the channel
[12:16] shinuza has joined the channel
[12:16] jon13210 has joined the channel
[12:18] ovaillancourt has joined the channel
[12:18] TheJH has joined the channel
[12:20] Nss_ has joined the channel
[12:22] Swizec has joined the channel
[12:26] heavysixer has joined the channel
[12:27] Cheery: framlin: 2 years to write.. are they bit inefficient there? I did my clone in a month.
[12:27] stagas has joined the channel
[12:30] k1ttty has joined the channel
[12:31] joemccann has joined the channel
[12:31] fumanchu182 has joined the channel
[12:33] indy3 has joined the channel
[12:36] Cheery: framlin: also my version takes 500 lines of code. :) (it still has one bug though..)
[12:38] Cheery: and it still requires annotations and history.
[12:38] Cheery: and it's not as small as I want it to be.
[12:39] RLa: hm, what you are talking about
[12:39] MartinCleaver has joined the channel
[12:39] gauloises has joined the channel
[12:39] Cheery: RLa: operational transformers. (OT)
[12:40] Cheery: sort of thing running behind collaborative editors
[12:40] ningu: what about operational decepticons?
[12:40] RLa: what do they do
[12:40] Cheery: ningu: they're waiting their turn for malicious users.
[12:41] timoxley has joined the channel
[12:41] Cheery: RLa: they track what operations you do on your file, and then provide calculus which lets you do tricks on them.
[12:41] panchot has joined the channel
[12:42] RLa: uh
[12:42] RLa: something like fancy macros?
[12:42] subbyyy has joined the channel
[12:43] Cheery: nah. you can better think of it as a version control system based on tracking .splice -method rather than diffing files.
[12:45] Cheery: in my system, whenever there's splice. it's partitioned into pieces {COPY, DELETE, INSERT, COPY}
[12:45] RLa: so it calculates diff in real time?
[12:45] Cheery: it doesn't calculate diff.
[12:45] RLa: at least it sounds like
[12:46] Cheery: it just follows what changes you make.
[12:46] Cheery: consider case where you change 'hello world' to 'hello world'..
[12:47] Cheery: text.splice 0, 11, "hello world"
[12:47] ovaillancourt has joined the channel
[12:47] Cheery: RLa: you see that diff would consider nothing was changed.
[12:47] baudehlo has joined the channel
[12:47] RLa: hm, yes
[12:47] madtimber has joined the channel
[12:48] Omega_Work has joined the channel
[12:48] Cheery: now. OT define catenate, merge and follow -operations.
[12:49] Omega_Work has left the channel
[12:49] pgte has joined the channel
[12:49] Cheery: catenate makes single changeset from two ones that were sequential.
[12:50] Cheery: (a >> b) >> c = a >> (b >> c)
[12:50] Cheery: merge makes single changeset from two that were parallel.
[12:51] Cheery: merge(a,b) = merge(b,a)
[12:52] Cheery: follow turns a parallel changeset into a sequential one.
[12:52] Cheery: a*follow(a,b) = merge(a,b) = b*follow(b,a)
[12:53] CromeDome has joined the channel
[12:53] Cheery: once you have catenate and follow. it's simple to keep the document in sync.
[12:54] bEEEviz has joined the channel
[12:54] Cheery: you just keep stacks of changesets in your client, and track which changes you have done and haven't.
[12:54] timoxley has joined the channel
[12:54] Cheery: s/done/committed/
[12:54] graeme_f has joined the channel
[12:55] Cheery: whenever you get message that your changeset was added into pile, you do same thing in your stack.
[12:55] jploh has joined the channel
[12:55] Cheery: and whenever you get changeset of an another user. you use that calculus to syncronise your stack. :)
[12:56] pendlepa1ts has joined the channel
[12:56] karellen has joined the channel
[12:57] icebox has joined the channel
[12:58] bEEEviz has joined the channel
[12:58] dragansah has joined the channel
[12:59] robm_ has joined the channel
[13:00] zobi8225 has joined the channel
[13:01] devongovett has joined the channel
[13:01] lazyshot has joined the channel
[13:02] ccare has joined the channel
[13:03] indy3 has joined the channel
[13:03] zobi8225: hi
[13:04] zobi8225: i can't install node-waf on my ubuntu
[13:04] zobi8225: i am little a noob with node.js
[13:04] thomblake has joined the channel
[13:05] skylamer`: dont install it . . .
[13:05] thomblake has left the channel
[13:05] skylamer`: make it with node-gyp :)
[13:05] zobi8225: what that ?
[13:05] arthurdebert has joined the channel
[13:06] skylamer`: ллл it's successor
[13:07] zobi8225: :-)
[13:08] robhawkes has joined the channel
[13:08] zobi8225: i am not sure i should use it
[13:09] rokonol has joined the channel
[13:09] zobi8225: i just want use mongoose-auth and i need node-waf for that
[13:10] redir has joined the channel
[13:11] qjcg has joined the channel
[13:11] zobi8225: skylamer`: do you think i realy need node-gyp ?
[13:12] yhpark_ has joined the channel
[13:12] sadjow has joined the channel
[13:14] colinclark has joined the channel
[13:14] Raynos: isaacs: your blog y it down
[13:16] zobi8225: skylamer`: ok i find the pb. thx
[13:17] spcshpopr8r: now.js looks pretty cool...any alternatives (I generally prefer the lightest weight, least overhead)?
[13:18] kranius: socket.io ?
[13:19] jryans has joined the channel
[13:19] jolo2 has joined the channel
[13:21] hhuutt has joined the channel
[13:21] jolo2 has joined the channel
[13:22] spcshpopr8r: kranius: if I understand correctly now.js wraps up socket.io does it not?  If that's the case, then I suppose using socket.io would be less overhead...hmm
[13:27] spcshpopr8r has left the channel
[13:27] vkareh has joined the channel
[13:28] whaley has joined the channel
[13:28] nbari has joined the channel
[13:29] fielding has joined the channel
[13:30] confoocious has joined the channel
[13:30] confoocious has joined the channel
[13:30] Brandon_R has joined the channel
[13:30] Brandon_R: hi guys
[13:30] Brandon_R: i have a gyp question
[13:32] sandfox has joined the channel
[13:33] aklt has joined the channel
[13:33] AaronMT has joined the channel
[13:34] pokoli has joined the channel
[13:34] devdazed has joined the channel
[13:37] panchot has joined the channel
[13:38] Joeysomo has joined the channel
[13:39] joshfinnie has joined the channel
[13:40] c4milo has joined the channel
[13:40] bnoordhuis: Brandon_R: shoot
[13:41] Brandon_R: Do i have to manually update the sources object in the project.gyp file or is there an easier more automated way
[13:42] Brandon_R: ie add a list of all the files manually
[13:42] panchot has joined the channel
[13:42] polardude has joined the channel
[13:42] bnoordhuis: Brandon_R: you mean the 'sources': [ ... ] field? manually
[13:42] Brandon_R: yeha
[13:43] Morkel has joined the channel
[13:44] polardude has joined the channel
[13:44] yawNO has joined the channel
[13:45] Brandon_R: i guess so
[13:45] panchot_ has joined the channel
[13:46] rwaldron has joined the channel
[13:48] MartinCleaver has joined the channel
[13:49] dotmariusz has left the channel
[13:50] panchot has joined the channel
[13:52] micheil has joined the channel
[13:52] robi42 has joined the channel
[13:52] ccare has left the channel
[13:52] clynx has joined the channel
[13:52] clynx: hey there
[13:53] micheil: is there any way to setup a message to be sent to STDOUT when node exits due to an empty event loop?
[13:53] micheil: (process.on("exit") appears to not catch it
[13:53] clynx: does anyone know a node module, which is capable of sending a lot of mails? not through a smtp server, more with connecting to the servers itself.
[13:53] MrNko has joined the channel
[13:54] panchot has joined the channel
[13:54] micheil: node-smtp probably
[13:54] micheil: (but not the one that I wrote, one of the forks instead)
[13:55] meso has joined the channel
[13:55] stagas: micheil: try writing to stderr
[13:55] amigojapan has joined the channel
[13:55] micheil: stagas: stdout / stderr, either don't work, afaik
[13:56] magn3ts has joined the channel
[13:56] tomh has joined the channel
[13:56] tomh has joined the channel
[13:56] tomh has joined the channel
[13:56] daleharvey has joined the channel
[13:58] clynx: thanks micheil 
[13:58] jtsnow has joined the channel
[13:59] BillyBreen has joined the channel
[14:00] JSONB has joined the channel
[14:00] horofox has joined the channel
[14:00] mauritslamers has joined the channel
[14:00] horofox: anybody here using railwayjs?
[14:01] crodas has joined the channel
[14:02] infynyxx has joined the channel
[14:02] jimmyrcom has joined the channel
[14:03] sandfox_ has joined the channel
[14:03] fmeyer has joined the channel
[14:04] dragansah has joined the channel
[14:05] mandric has joined the channel
[14:05] vdvm has joined the channel
[14:05] willwhite has joined the channel
[14:08] fmeyer has joined the channel
[14:08] sandfox_ has joined the channel
[14:09] artusrocha has joined the channel
[14:10] jscheel has joined the channel
[14:10] jscheel has joined the channel
[14:10] guidocalvano has joined the channel
[14:10] lmatteis has joined the channel
[14:10] rauchg has joined the channel
[14:11] sriley has joined the channel
[14:11] majek has joined the channel
[14:11] isaqual has joined the channel
[14:11] pendlepa1ts has joined the channel
[14:11] jkarsrud has joined the channel
[14:11] iaincarsberg has joined the channel
[14:12] bearnard has joined the channel
[14:12] owenb has joined the channel
[14:13] gtodd: WarheadsSE: thanks
[14:13] gtodd has left the channel
[14:13] HeikkiV_ has joined the channel
[14:13] cmwelsh has joined the channel
[14:13] WarheadsSE: 
ACTION blinks

[14:13] fmeyer has joined the channel
[14:13] WarheadsSE: what I do gtodd?
[14:13] WarheadsSE: oh.
[14:14] Swizec has joined the channel
[14:14] kermitPT has joined the channel
[14:14] jxhn has joined the channel
[14:14] jemparing has joined the channel
[14:15] Dreamer3 has joined the channel
[14:16] jxhn has joined the channel
[14:16] jxhn: hi
[14:16] RLa: https://github.com/learnboost/cluster vs cluster module that comes with node.js - which one to use?
[14:16] jxhn: where is the best place to install node.js on a mac?
[14:16] Doikor: just use the installer?
[14:17] jxhn: default is user/bin/ 
[14:17] stafamus has joined the channel
[14:17] rlidwka has joined the channel
[14:18] _th_n has joined the channel
[14:18] jxhn: or user/local/bin rather
[14:18] Doikor: when into /usr/local/bin on my install
[14:18] h00k has joined the channel
[14:18] Doikor: aslong as you it's in your path/you add it into your path it doesn't really matter.
[14:18] tk has joined the channel
[14:19] fmeyer has joined the channel
[14:19] otih has joined the channel
[14:19] jxhn: thanks
[14:20] MeanderingCode: hello all
[14:20] MeanderingCode: is nodester a good idea/platform?
[14:20] denom has joined the channel
[14:21] CoverSlide: no its horrible
[14:21] svnlto has joined the channel
[14:21] CoverSlide: use nodejitsu
[14:21] MeanderingCode: thx CoverSlide.  why?
[14:21] benvie has joined the channel
[14:21] WarheadsSE: 
ACTION coughs

[14:21] terite has joined the channel
[14:21] MeanderingCode: (just getting started w/ node.js)
[14:21] WarheadsSE: if you are just getting started, I'd start with local
[14:21] MeanderingCode: alright there, WarheadsSE?
[14:22] HacDan has joined the channel
[14:22] jakehow has joined the channel
[14:22] MeanderingCode: oh, i will, but i'm going to be building a service/webapp/mobile app
[14:22] yhpark has joined the channel
[14:22] sveisvei has joined the channel
[14:22] skm has joined the channel
[14:22] MeanderingCode: so i'm also looking at production deployment schemes
[14:23] CoverSlide: you can host on a vps, I'd recommend that over hosting, if you have the means
[14:23] carlyle has joined the channel
[14:23] MeanderingCode: that's what i was thinking, but nodester claims that their framework is portable
[14:23] cjlicata has joined the channel
[14:23] MeanderingCode: i might want to implement cloud storage, etc
[14:23] redir_ has joined the channel
[14:24] JonMarkGo has joined the channel
[14:24] MeanderingCode: thinking something like deltacloud and opennebula
[14:24] fmeyer has joined the channel
[14:24] drostie has joined the channel
[14:24] Lemminkainen has joined the channel
[14:25] indutny has joined the channel
[14:25] _ralph has joined the channel
[14:26] BruNeX has joined the channel
[14:27] h00k has joined the channel
[14:27] jploh has joined the channel
[14:27] Jaylee_ has joined the channel
[14:27] MeanderingCode: so no comment about their code?  (i'm reading the "don't" as their hsoting)
[14:27] ziyadh has joined the channel
[14:27] MeanderingCode: *hosting
[14:28] WarheadsSE: tbh, i have personally never used any outside hosting
[14:28] WarheadsSE: it's either on my personal VPS, or on on of my ARM servers at home
[14:28] sadjow has joined the channel
[14:29] fmeyer has joined the channel
[14:29] adrianFa has joined the channel
[14:30] sadjow has left the channel
[14:31] tekky has joined the channel
[14:31] mintbridge has joined the channel
[14:31] cjm has joined the channel
[14:31] Brunoz has joined the channel
[14:32] oal has joined the channel
[14:32] jxie has joined the channel
[14:32] JasonSmith has joined the channel
[14:32] mrb_bk has joined the channel
[14:33] dscape has joined the channel
[14:33] navpar has joined the channel
[14:33] maletor has joined the channel
[14:34] ditesh|cassini has joined the channel
[14:34] fmeyer has joined the channel
[14:37] khrome has joined the channel
[14:38] _rockbot_ has joined the channel
[14:39] tvw has joined the channel
[14:39] fmeyer has joined the channel
[14:40] otih has joined the channel
[14:40] indutny_ has joined the channel
[14:40] hackband has joined the channel
[14:41] adambeynon has joined the channel
[14:42] hellp has joined the channel
[14:43] relix has joined the channel
[14:43] dgathright has joined the channel
[14:43] otih has joined the channel
[14:44] fmeyer has joined the channel
[14:45] warz has joined the channel
[14:46] paul_ has joined the channel
[14:46] dylang has joined the channel
[14:47] willwhite has joined the channel
[14:47] willwhite has joined the channel
[14:48] zemanel has joined the channel
[14:49] Raynos has joined the channel
[14:49] fmeyer has joined the channel
[14:50] Fabryz has joined the channel
[14:51] halfhalo has joined the channel
[14:51] rtgibbons has joined the channel
[14:51] otih has joined the channel
[14:52] [[zz]] has joined the channel
[14:53] Destos has joined the channel
[14:54] aconbere has joined the channel
[14:54] fmeyer has joined the channel
[14:55] thejefflarson has joined the channel
[14:56] thinkt4nk has joined the channel
[14:56] otih has joined the channel
[14:57] huggies has joined the channel
[14:59] fmeyer has joined the channel
[14:59] h00k has joined the channel
[15:00] qjcg has joined the channel
[15:02] intabulas has joined the channel
[15:02] jocafa has joined the channel
[15:03] geetarista has joined the channel
[15:03] ericmuyser has joined the channel
[15:03] chadskidmore has joined the channel
[15:03] colinclark has joined the channel
[15:04] RLa: how to kill workers when master dies?
[15:04] colinclark has joined the channel
[15:04] RLa: currently i see that workers keep going
[15:04] fmeyer has joined the channel
[15:05] fangel has joined the channel
[15:05] piscisaureus_ has joined the channel
[15:05] jay has joined the channel
[15:07] dragansah has joined the channel
[15:07] fatjonny has joined the channel
[15:08] ph^ has joined the channel
[15:09] r04r has joined the channel
[15:09] wavded has joined the channel
[15:09] sorensen__ has joined the channel
[15:09] fmeyer has joined the channel
[15:10] ekryski has joined the channel
[15:12] yawNO has joined the channel
[15:12] briancray has joined the channel
[15:13] djMax has joined the channel
[15:13] JonMarkGo has joined the channel
[15:14] djMax: Trying desperately to get my head around async.js. I want to read a mongodb query and then lookup another doc for each result from the first, and then return a calculated quantity after all of them are done. Is this a case for map?
[15:15] fmeyer has joined the channel
[15:15] stephen has joined the channel
[15:15] M1l3n1um has joined the channel
[15:16] rio{: Can I require a json file and have it as an object directly?
[15:16] cconstantine_ has joined the channel
[15:17] paulwe has joined the channel
[15:17] bkaney has joined the channel
[15:18] rio{: Also, I want to send UDP request with a timeout, is there something existing to handle this that I can use?
[15:18] icebox: rio{: yes... but the file should contain exports.myvar = { ... }
[15:18] rio{: icebox ah cool
[15:20] fmeyer has joined the channel
[15:20] kimico has joined the channel
[15:20] bradleymeck has joined the channel
[15:20] baudehlo has joined the channel
[15:21] epokmedia has joined the channel
[15:21] chapel: rio{ icebox you can require a json file directly like require('./jsonfile') omitting the .json and it will automatically require it as an object, no exports needed
[15:22] chapel: icebox: exports.myvar = {} is not json
[15:22] icebox: chapel: nice... you are right
[15:22] WarheadsSE: rio{: theck into the standard net libs for sockets.
[15:23] callumacrae has joined the channel
[15:23] WarheadsSE: http://nodejs.org/api/dgram.html
[15:23] WarheadsSE: http://nodejs.org/api/net.html
[15:24] rio{: I did but didn't find anything about timeout with UDP, only TTL that was numer of hops
[15:24] rio{: but maybe I missed it
[15:24] tjholowaychuk has joined the channel
[15:24] Poetro has joined the channel
[15:24] Poetro has joined the channel
[15:24] djMax: Is it common to do async.parallel(async.mapSeries(list, fn (x) { return function (y) {}}, callback))? Or is there a smarter pattern to do an async function across a range of values?
[15:24] WarheadsSE: then you might just need to do a setTimeout 
[15:24] bondar has joined the channel
[15:25] fmeyer has joined the channel
[15:26] TheAlphaNerd has joined the channel
[15:27] sadjow has joined the channel
[15:27] ningu has joined the channel
[15:27] wilmoore has joined the channel
[15:28] sadjow has left the channel
[15:28] jerrysv has joined the channel
[15:28] ramitos has joined the channel
[15:29] redir has joined the channel
[15:30] fmeyer has joined the channel
[15:30] wendall911 has joined the channel
[15:31] Venom_X has joined the channel
[15:31] automata has joined the channel
[15:33] voodootikigod has joined the channel
[15:33] Brandon_R has joined the channel
[15:33] Brandon_R: I have a question about gyp
[15:33] jzacsh has joined the channel
[15:33] jzacsh has joined the channel
[15:34] Brandon_R: tootallnate: you there bud?
[15:35] fmeyer has joined the channel
[15:35] gozala has joined the channel
[15:36] justicefries has joined the channel
[15:36] brianleroux has joined the channel
[15:36] bergie has joined the channel
[15:37] Brandon_R: does gyp work with none gyp projects?
[15:39] dr0id has joined the channel
[15:39] spion has joined the channel
[15:40] Renegade001 has joined the channel
[15:40] fmeyer has joined the channel
[15:41] sh1mmer has joined the channel
[15:42] WarheadsSE: non-gyp ?
[15:42] EyePulp has joined the channel
[15:42] Brandon_R: yeah
[15:42] bic2k has joined the channel
[15:42] Brandon_R: like just a library
[15:43] Brandon_R: in my includes object
[15:43] sorensen__ has joined the channel
[15:43] Brandon_R: you can specify a directory to another gyp library but how do i do it to a non gyp library
[15:43] forste has joined the channel
[15:44] YoY has joined the channel
[15:44] forste: hi, how can one test 'private' functions in node?
[15:44] WarheadsSE: like, a waf using library ?
[15:44] WarheadsSE: ""private""
[15:44] tlack has left the channel
[15:44] CoverSlide: javascript doesn't have private functions
[15:44] tlack has joined the channel
[15:44] Brandon_R: yeah
[15:44] forste: I mean functions which do not get exported
[15:45] Brandon_R: or just some cpp files
[15:45] mehale has joined the channel
[15:45] mehale: hey folks, any example on how to read a unix named pipe?
[15:45] CoverSlide: you have to either export them or export a function that calls it
[15:45] broofa has joined the channel
[15:45] WarheadsSE: overall, I'd suggest porting all to gyp. If these cpp files are used by another portion, then it should be included as part of that.
[15:45] WarheadsSE: mehale: open it as a file?
[15:46] mehale: ok
[15:46] horofox has joined the channel
[15:46] fmeyer has joined the channel
[15:46] hydrozen has joined the channel
[15:46] CoverSlide: fs.createReadStream just line any other file
[15:46] WarheadsSE: s/n/k/
[15:46] EyePulp: is there a more complete stack trace available than the "err.stack" ?  It would be awesome to get a trace back to my code, even if the error is deep in some other node module. some errors have a trace to my lines of code, but a good number don't.
[15:46] CoverSlide: k/o/f
[15:47] caolanm has joined the channel
[15:47] WarheadsSE: dtrace?
[15:47] CoverSlide: EyePulp: this is a common node problem
[15:47] forste: CoverSlide: there are no frameworks allowing to test functions without exporting them?
[15:47] polardude has joined the channel
[15:47] CoverSlide: anytime you hit the async barrier a new stack trace is created
[15:47] forste: trying to avoid exporting functions just for testing
[15:47] CoverSlide: s/stack trace/call stack
[15:48] Brandon_R: converting projects to gyp?
[15:48] Brandon_R: i wish gyp had more documentation :(
[15:48] CoverSlide: the problem has been discussed since the eaarly days of node but noone has settled on a solution yet
[15:49] CoverSlide: i think it comes down to a javascript problem, but dont quote me on that
[15:49] EyePulp: CoverSlide: I gotcha.  I wondered if the async was involved.
[15:49] qjcg has joined the channel
[15:49] dragansah has joined the channel
[15:49] pandeiro has joined the channel
[15:50] CoverSlide: there have been attempts at long stack traces, but all of them caused a horrible lag in performance, and ryah had always been obsessed with speed
[15:50] nicholas_ has joined the channel
[15:51] Crowb4r has joined the channel
[15:51] fmeyer has joined the channel
[15:51] EvRide has joined the channel
[15:51] EyePulp: CoverSlide: not a bad obsession.
[15:51] EyePulp: =)
[15:52] WarheadsSE: forste: instantiate an object with that member function ?
[15:52] Phoenixz has joined the channel
[15:52] EyePulp: CoverSlide: I'm guessing it would have to make it's way into v8 to have a hope of being fast enough
[15:53] Phoenixz: How can I obtain a stack trace from the current location where I am? I know that e.stack has something alike, but that only works for errors.. Console.trace() can print one, but I'd like to have one in a variable, not directly printed.. Any options here?
[15:53] CoverSlide: Phoenixz: you can just create a new Error() at any time, and just not throw it
[15:54] CoverSlide: console.trace just creates an error and prints the stack iirc
[15:54] braoru has joined the channel
[15:54] indutny: Phoenixz: or do (new Error()).stack
[15:54] jmar777 has joined the channel
[15:54] indutny: s/or/and
[15:54] AndreasMadsen has joined the channel
[15:55] davidsklar has joined the channel
[15:55] WarheadsSE: handy.
[15:55] retornam has joined the channel
[15:56] fmeyer has joined the channel
[15:56] cryptix has joined the channel
[15:57] Phoenixz: indutny:  https://github.com/felixge/node-stack-trace will do quite nicely I think.. :)
[15:57] indutny: yeah
[15:57] slloyd has joined the channel
[15:57] dambalah has joined the channel
[15:58] guidocalvano has joined the channel
[16:01] fmeyer has joined the channel
[16:01] Swizec has joined the channel
[16:02] nateps has joined the channel
[16:03] mikeal has joined the channel
[16:04] Brandon_R: hi
[16:06] fmeyer has joined the channel
[16:06] orlandovftw has joined the channel
[16:06] dragansah has joined the channel
[16:06] carlyle has joined the channel
[16:06] bradleymeck has joined the channel
[16:07] orlandovftw has joined the channel
[16:07] postwait has joined the channel
[16:08] brianleroux has joined the channel
[16:10] TheAlphaNerd has joined the channel
[16:10] coderarity has joined the channel
[16:11] sven_oostenbrink has joined the channel
[16:11] fmeyer has joined the channel
[16:13] criswell has joined the channel
[16:14] vargle has joined the channel
[16:14] heatxsink has joined the channel
[16:14] isaacs has joined the channel
[16:14] seebees has left the channel
[16:14] pgte has joined the channel
[16:16] fmeyer has joined the channel
[16:17] kriskowal has joined the channel
[16:17] rauchg has joined the channel
[16:18] Venom_X has joined the channel
[16:20] HSG has joined the channel
[16:20] HSG has left the channel
[16:21] HSG has joined the channel
[16:21] TooTallNate has joined the channel
[16:21] gozala has joined the channel
[16:21] fmeyer has joined the channel
[16:21] jakehow has joined the channel
[16:22] CIA-19: node: 03Alex Kocharin 07master * rab518ae 10/ lib/readline.js : 
[16:22] CIA-19: node: readline: fix for terminals that insert newlines automatically
[16:22] CIA-19: node: Fixes #2985. - http://git.io/5S0xAQ
[16:22] jtsnow has joined the channel
[16:23] mattgifford has joined the channel
[16:23] josh-k has joined the channel
[16:23] denom has joined the channel
[16:25] piscisaureus_ has joined the channel
[16:25] evilnate has joined the channel
[16:25] vkandy has joined the channel
[16:27] fmeyer has joined the channel
[16:28] mikeal has joined the channel
[16:28] thirdknife has joined the channel
[16:28] snearch has joined the channel
[16:29] stephank has joined the channel
[16:29] rickibalboa has joined the channel
[16:31] ovaillancourt has joined the channel
[16:31] stephank: I'm trying to get HTTP Upgrade support into Connect. I have an pull request with tests and examples, but it's been sitting there for a couple of weeks now. Can anyone help me move this forward? https://github.com/senchalabs/connect/pull/506
[16:32] Renegade001 has joined the channel
[16:32] fmeyer has joined the channel
[16:34] bindr has joined the channel
[16:34] RobWC has joined the channel
[16:34] RobWC has left the channel
[16:36] sreeix has joined the channel
[16:37] warz has joined the channel
[16:37] warz has joined the channel
[16:37] fmeyer has joined the channel
[16:37] stagas has joined the channel
[16:38] yawNO has joined the channel
[16:38] vc has joined the channel
[16:38] vc: hi
[16:39] vc: hello world
[16:39] johnmdonahue has joined the channel
[16:39] jetienne has joined the channel
[16:39] Vespakoen has joined the channel
[16:40] Vespakoen has left the channel
[16:42] MT has joined the channel
[16:42] fmeyer has joined the channel
[16:44] joshthecoder has joined the channel
[16:45] louissmit has joined the channel
[16:45] sorensen__ has joined the channel
[16:46] jakehow_ has joined the channel
[16:46] PinguinDude has joined the channel
[16:47] fmeyer has joined the channel
[16:49] alvaro_o has joined the channel
[16:50] EhevuTov has joined the channel
[16:50] steveo_ has joined the channel
[16:50] clu3 has joined the channel
[16:50] crutex has joined the channel
[16:50] crutex has joined the channel
[16:50] piscisaureus__ has joined the channel
[16:50] andre_pl has joined the channel
[16:52] iangreenleaf has joined the channel
[16:52] sammmy has joined the channel
[16:52] andre_pl: I'd like to have a long-running node service (ie. service.js) which I can also invoke with some args in order to communicate with the running service.  can anyone recommend a simple way to achieve something like that?
[16:52] fmeyer has joined the channel
[16:52] jhooks has joined the channel
[16:54] ioscale has joined the channel
[16:55] sammmy: Does node-mysql escape the ? in prepared statements?
[16:55] dilvie has joined the channel
[16:56] meelash has joined the channel
[16:57] chadskidmore has joined the channel
[16:57] rlidwka: andre_pl: well... "optimist" module is for cmdline parsing. As for communication, that's too many ways/protocols to do that
[16:57] fmeyer has joined the channel
[16:57] rlidwka: dnode maybe, but i never actually used it :)
[16:57] andre_pl: rlidwka: yeah, i'm not worried about the command line parsing, I was more concerned with the IPC.  I haven't seen dnode yet though so I'll take a look.
[16:58] fangel has joined the channel
[16:58] andre_pl: most solution seems overly complicated, and if i'm going to get complicated, i might get into the native 'cluster' module if I can figure out how to make it do what I want
[16:58] rlidwka: I haven't seen it too xD
[16:58] intabulas has joined the channel
[16:58] dgathright has joined the channel
[16:58] rlidwka: always used websockets for that
[16:59] evilnate has joined the channel
[16:59] yawNO has joined the channel
[16:59] DavidElias has joined the channel
[16:59] andre_pl: rlidwka: trying to stay dependency free if I can. 
[16:59] UnCO has joined the channel
[17:00] andre_pl: websockets is just too much.
[17:00] andre_pl: might just open a using socket and write/read lines.
[17:00] andre_pl: s/using/unix
[17:00] WarheadsSE: named pipes are handy..
[17:01] bingomanatee_ has left the channel
[17:01] rlidwka: if you are actually talking to a http server, websockets is not too much imho
[17:01] andre_pl: rlidwka: i agree, but there is no web server here. and its all local
[17:02] jakehow has joined the channel
[17:02] andre_pl: WarheadsSE: how do named pipes differ from unix domain sockets?
[17:02] WarheadsSE: literally speaking, to a certain degree, they don't at all.
[17:02] andre_pl: WarheadsSE: is there an implementation difference in node?  is one easier than the other?
[17:02] fmeyer has joined the channel
[17:02] AviMarcus has joined the channel
[17:02] WarheadsSE: named pipes are just files, are they not?
[17:03] patcito has joined the channel
[17:03] WarheadsSE: either way, sockets, named pipes, etc are all just streams.
[17:03] jetienne has joined the channel
[17:03] andre_pl: well, i guess thats the way to go then.
[17:04] andre_pl: unix sockets seem simpler in that you dont need to worry about creating/destroying the file
[17:04] WarheadsSE: right, because an api abstracts that
[17:04] WarheadsSE: but in the end, you are creating/destroying a stream none the less
[17:04] necromancer has joined the channel
[17:04] WarheadsSE: don't get me wrong, I threw that out there as a note of comment, not that it might be best choice.
[17:05] WarheadsSE: having a socket, you need to worry about network connectivity, firewalling, etc
[17:05] WarheadsSE: named pipe, you have to worry about who can access said file.. 
[17:05] adrianF has joined the channel
[17:05] WarheadsSE: They're all jsut different views of the same thing.
[17:05] andre_pl: unix domain sockets can't be firewalled, and don't go through the network stack at all
[17:05] andre_pl: theyh're just like named pipes in that respect
[17:05] WarheadsSE: *missed a word
[17:06] steveo_ has joined the channel
[17:06] hij1nx has joined the channel
[17:07] dtrejo has joined the channel
[17:07] creationix: what I thought unix domain sockets were the same thing as named pipes?
[17:07] niftylettuce has joined the channel
[17:07] WarheadsSE: hence "missed a word"
[17:07] pizthewiz has joined the channel
[17:07] andre_pl: creationix: I think you're right, but I"m not 100% sure.  I know theyre functionally identical though.
[17:07] fmeyer has joined the channel
[17:07] dotmariusz has joined the channel
[17:08] creationix: I will say that binding a tcp socket to 127.0.0.1 is pretty secure
[17:08] WarheadsSE: well
[17:08] FuzzYspo0N has joined the channel
[17:08] creationix: only other processes on the machine can see it
[17:08] njain has joined the channel
[17:08] WarheadsSE: yes and no.. unix domain sockets, by my understanding are usualyl within the same program, as named pipes can be usedby mulitple
[17:08] creationix: (actually I needed to do this in one cluster where the processes didn't have compatable uids to share a named pipe)
[17:08] tornad has joined the channel
[17:08] shinuza has joined the channel
[17:09] creationix: WarheadsSE, that would make sense
[17:09] creationix: I've only used the variant where you create a socket file in the filesystem
[17:09] WarheadsSE: ive done localhost binding multiple times myself, because of the number of interconnecting processes
[17:09] enjalot has joined the channel
[17:10] tlack_ has joined the channel
[17:10] ParadoxQuine has joined the channel
[17:10] creationix: btw, if anyone wants to play with it, I made a dnode-like thing for internal use at cloud9
[17:10] creationix: https://github.com/c9/remoteagent-protocol
[17:11] creationix: used by https://github.com/c9/architect
[17:12] WarheadsSE: "dnode-like thing" heh
[17:12] argami has joined the channel
[17:12] joshthecoder has joined the channel
[17:12] DavidElias has left the channel
[17:12] fmeyer has joined the channel
[17:13] WarheadsSE: anyone might have a few minutes to review the methodology I have implemented ina mime-like stream parser ?
[17:13] WarheadsSE: it's a pain in the arse.
[17:13] shanem has joined the channel
[17:14] sandfox has left the channel
[17:14] antdillon has joined the channel
[17:14] Leemp: Is there a commonly accepted standard for presenting the state of the server to the client? By "state of the server", i mean whether the server is currently development, production, test, etc?
[17:14] WarheadsSE: Leemp: what kind of server ..?
[17:14] Leemp: Web server, sorry :s
[17:14] RLa: Leemp, lot of things tend to use SOMETHING_ENV environment variable
[17:15] RLa: i do not like it tho
[17:15] Leemp: I had assumed that sending a custom header might be a handy way, but apparently JavaScript (in the browser ofcourse), can't read headers of the current document
[17:15] jsurfer has joined the channel
[17:15] WarheadsSE: So, you want to expose this to someone viewing the webpage?
[17:16] Leemp: WarheadsSE: Well, to the code executing on the current page, yea
[17:16] RLa: Leemp, that's not robust enough, what if something else sends request and destroys your production database
[17:16] argami has joined the channel
[17:16] RLa: Leemp, on both server and client side?
[17:16] Leemp: RLa: "destroys your production database" wtf? I'm lost :s
[17:17] WarheadsSE: Leemp: your development code should not have access to your production environment. Period.
[17:17] RLa: lot of things can happen, prepare for worst :)
[17:17] ioscale has joined the channel
[17:17] Leemp: If your server simply send a header saying "SERVER_ENV: production", what would be wrong with that?
[17:17] WarheadsSE: creationix: reviewing, .. interesting
[17:17] fmeyer has joined the channel
[17:18] adamkittelson has joined the channel
[17:18] Leemp: WarheadsSE: No, but everyones code has both dev and prod code in it. Look at your server code, is there not a flag in it that says "if production, do X, if development, do Y" ?
[17:18] r1ngzer0 has joined the channel
[17:18] RLa: Leemp, that's ok, but if you expect SERVER_ENV: development and someone sends SERVER_ENV: production then you can be screwed
[17:18] WarheadsSE: Leemp: actually, I keep them in seperate trees, so.. no
[17:18] FuzzYspo0N: where is tjh when you need him
[17:18] argami has joined the channel
[17:18] Country has joined the channel
[17:18] alejandromg has joined the channel
[17:19] RLa: i usually keep local configuration file like config.json and keep config.example.json in rcs
[17:19] Leemp: RLa: "screwed" i'm so lost xD, If your client JS cvode thinks it's development, and tries to destroy your servers database.. why would your production server let it destroy the database?
[17:19] RLa: config.json won't be in rcs
[17:20] RLa: Leemp, would you protect against it?
[17:20] Leemp: If your Client can "destroy your production database" at all, you have serious problems :P
[17:20] RLa: what if you forget to plug all possible holes (and custom header looks like one)
[17:20] RLa: because it can be set by client
[17:21] RLa: never trust client!
[17:21] Leemp: no, it cant.. can it?
[17:21] Leemp: Dude
[17:21] Leemp: The server sends the header, done.
[17:21] Leemp: No?
[17:21] RLa: then it works
[17:21] RLa: but not if client sends
[17:21] Leemp: (I'm sorry, i'm just getting frustrated. Pardon my shortness)
[17:21] WarheadsSE: Warning: some firewalls block custom headers ;)
[17:21] Leemp: RLa: I'm not asking about client headers
[17:21] evilnate has joined the channel
[17:21] dshaw_ has joined the channel
[17:22] RLa: proxies might to that too
[17:22] Leemp: RLa: I was asking about server headers. The client figureing out if the server is a production or development, that's all. It's a one way street
[17:22] WarheadsSE: why not have it just *ask* the server?
[17:22] Leemp: RLa: I was *not* asking for the client to tell the server anything lol
[17:22] WarheadsSE: or tack it into the template?
[17:23] fmeyer has joined the channel
[17:23] johnnymonster has joined the channel
[17:23] Leemp: WarheadsSE: That was the discussion, before i got my ass chewed for something i didn't say lol. 
[17:23] mcluskydodallas has joined the channel
[17:23] Leemp: WarheadsSE: I was simply asking if there was any decent method to have the server tell the client information about itself. Things like development, version, etc. The problem is, ClientJS cannot access headers from the current request
[17:24] Leemp: WarheadsSE: It can only make a 2nd header request.. which would add to your network traffic
[17:24] maxogden: client js is capable of reading http headers
[17:25] Leemp: maxogden: It is? How? The best i could find is this, 
[17:25] Leemp: maxogden: 
[17:25] mikedeboer has joined the channel
[17:25] sadjow has joined the channel
[17:25] Leemp: grr, stupid copy.
[17:25] redir has joined the channel
[17:25] maxogden: xhr2
[17:25] tlack_: Leemp: are you saying sending a custom header on the response to the browser indicating information about the configuration? i think that's fine. maybe ONLY show that info if it's in dev/debug/testing/staging rather than live - when live, be terse.
[17:25] RLa: what about current host? put development in development.example.com
[17:25] Leemp: maxogden: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/220231/accessing-http-headers-in-javascript
[17:25] Leemp: tlack_:  I agree completely
[17:26] diogogmt has joined the channel
[17:26] Leemp: tlack_: I would say that a lack of that information, would default to production
[17:26] tlack_: Leemp: yep i agree
[17:26] tlack_: Leemp: ive done this before to indicate which server was used to serve the request in a load balanced environment for instance
[17:26] maxogden: Leemp: two common solutions is to either append <script type='text/javascript> window.config = {"hello":"world"}</script> to your page or fire an xhr on page load that grabs config data
[17:26] franciscallo has joined the channel
[17:27] evilnate has joined the channel
[17:27] Leemp: maxogden: Doesn't that make a 2nd request though?
[17:27] WarheadsSE: it would
[17:27] tilgovi has joined the channel
[17:28] WarheadsSE: but then it would be a *tiny* stactic file
[17:28] Leemp: Yea, and that's the only thing i don't like
[17:28] AntelopeSalad: does anyone know why object.create() is slower than using new?
[17:28] quijote has joined the channel
[17:28] benvie: because it uses new internally
[17:28] fmeyer has joined the channel
[17:28] WarheadsSE: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4166616/understanding-the-difference-between-object-create-and-new-somefunction-in-j
[17:28] Leemp: I was hoping there was a good way to simply bind that type of information to the current request
[17:28] benvie: and then sets the __proto__ manually
[17:28] AntelopeSalad: thanks
[17:28] jhooks has joined the channel
[17:29] benvie: er it *doesn;t* use new
[17:29] evilnate has joined the channel
[17:29] benvie: it kind of does
[17:29] benvie: it basically does
[17:29] benvie: x = new Object; x.__proto__ = theProtoParam
[17:29] benvie: so it's doing two steps insteado of one
[17:29] WarheadsSE: the answer on that lnk explains it pretty well :)
[17:29] argami has joined the channel
[17:29] wavded: i don't know if it really 'uses' new, i want to say it doesn't unless your using the shim, i wouldn't shy away from Object.create just because it isn't as fast as new, just give it some time :)
[17:29] WarheadsSE: but ^ pretty much
[17:30] benvie: no it does
[17:30] AntelopeSalad: so it's basically saving you the trouble of having to object.prototye.methodName?
[17:30] benvie: in the source of v8
[17:30] benvie: it literally does what I said
[17:30] trotter has joined the channel
[17:30] benvie: plus some checks
[17:30] benvie: it's implemented in javascript
[17:30] WarheadsSE: really, read the answer to the stackoverflow page..
[17:30] TooTallNate: benvie: that's an implementation detail though; the spec doesn't say "Object.create() must use 'new'"
[17:30] wavded: i wonder if that will change benvie
[17:30] WarheadsSE: *it tells you all about it* mechanics and all
[17:30] benvie: no you're right
[17:30] wavded: right
[17:30] jaha has joined the channel
[17:31] benvie: but if you're using node then this is your implementation =D
[17:31] wavded: true :) for now anyway :)
[17:31] TooTallNate: yup, we're spoiled :)
[17:31] benvie: so I try to know it better than the others
[17:31] TooTallNate: same
[17:31] benvie: also a note
[17:31] sh1mmer has joined the channel
[17:31] benvie: v8 has generally been moving towards MORE self-hosted stuff in js
[17:31] benvie: not less
[17:31] WarheadsSE: I just googlefu & comprehend fast
[17:31] AntelopeSalad: wavded: why wouldn't you shy away from it if it's slower?
[17:32] benvie: and I expect that to continue
[17:32] evilnate has joined the channel
[17:32] evilnate: asfd
[17:32] evilnate: afsd
[17:32] evilnate: whoops, sorry
[17:32] wavded: do use for loops for everything or array extras, its going for the better implementation, it will get faster
[17:32] WarheadsSE: AntelopeSalad: because by using new function() you're essentially still paying the price, just splitting that price in 2 places.
[17:32] benvie: Object.create is useful to create an object without invoking constructor functionality
[17:32] benvie: I wouldn't use it on a built in
[17:33] TooTallNate: there's also this ;) https://github.com/TooTallNate/create
[17:33] benvie: but in making another instance of any object that I don't want to go through a constructor I'd use Object.create
[17:33] benvie: or these days I'm tempted to make everything into Proxies
[17:33] benvie: which can actually perform better depending
[17:33] fmeyer has joined the channel
[17:33] mgolawala has joined the channel
[17:33] zodiak has joined the channel
[17:34] perezd has joined the channel
[17:34] WarheadsSE: so, again, anyone with a few spare minutes who might comment on this annoying mime-like message stream parser I've got implemented?
[17:34] WarheadsSE: there's got to be a cleaner way./
[17:34] benvie: data you say
[17:35] AntelopeSalad: WarheadsSE: where is that price being paid though? i ran 2 tests through jsfiddle and in all cases using new crushes .create
[17:35] tlack_: javascript: super simple until you try to use it
[17:35] WarheadsSE: AntelopeSalad: in the creation of the protoype in the first place.
[17:35] WarheadsSE: aka - at require()
[17:36] AntelopeSalad: ok, so using jsperf for this type of test is a bad idea?
[17:36] qjcg has joined the channel
[17:36] kickingvegas has joined the channel
[17:36] yhpark: Hi
[17:36] evilnate has joined the channel
[17:36] yaymukund has joined the channel
[17:36] benvie: so object.create does this
[17:37] benvie: first it checks iuf the proto is null or not a real object
[17:37] yhpark: is there a way to npm install with install options?
[17:37] benvie: so two checks already that new won't do
[17:37] yhpark: like npm install mongodb --mongodb:native
[17:37] benvie: then it does new Object, obj.__proto__ = proto
[17:37] wavded: benvie: do you have a link to the source you are looking at, i'm curious to check it out
[17:37] isaacs: yhpark: yes
[17:37] benvie: then it checks the properties
[17:37] isaacs: yhpark: just like that :)
[17:37] benvie: suyre sed
[17:37] benvie: sec
[17:38] yhpark: I forgot to mention
[17:38] yhpark: shrinkwrap
[17:38] isaacs: yhpark: if the package does anything with it, though, depends on what they're doing.
[17:38] isaacs: yhpark: you can also set it more permanently via: npm config set mongodb:native true
[17:38] fmeyer has joined the channel
[17:38] benvie: https://github.com/v8/v8/blob/master/src/v8natives.js#L1038
[17:38] yhpark: wow
[17:38] yhpark: thanks
[17:39] cjlicata has joined the channel
[17:39] wavded: benvie: thanks!
[17:39] benvie: so it's pretty much in the checks I would guess
[17:39] AntelopeSalad: ok thanks
[17:39] benvie: maybe changing __proto__ is more expensive than I thought
[17:40] willwhite has joined the channel
[17:40] AntelopeSalad: i suppose i'll stick with using new then
[17:41] benvie: if you have like an empty constructor
[17:41] benvie: yeah do that
[17:41] satyr has joined the channel
[17:41] benvie: Object.create to make objects without invoking a constructor specifically, which happens pretty often too
[17:42] AntelopeSalad: i haven't encountered a situation where i would be doing that yet
[17:42] AntelopeSalad: but to be fair i haven't really programmed much heh
[17:42] JasonCrome has joined the channel
[17:42] benvie: well if you're implementing inheritance
[17:42] benvie: if you want to do like
[17:42] benvie: SubType.prototype = Object.create(Type.prototype)
[17:43] dwhittle has joined the channel
[17:43] benvie: you don't want that prototype to actual be initialized by the constructor many times
[17:43] benvie: same thing is accomplished by doing this though
[17:43] fmeyer has joined the channel
[17:43] benvie: SubType.prototype.__proto__ = Type.prototype
[17:44] benvie: using the automatically provided generic object that every functions comes with
[17:44] nateps has joined the channel
[17:44] igl has joined the channel
[17:44] AntelopeSalad: so in that example using .create is actually a better choice for performance?
[17:45] WarheadsSE: >.< the reference library uses friggin readline arg, no wonder mine seems so much more overly complicated.
[17:45] benvie: no changing __proto__ would be better, just wasn't going to be standardized until recently
[17:45] benvie: no the comparison is
[17:45] benvie: Subtype.prototype = new Type
[17:45] benvie: which would in theory also yield a similar result, but it also invokes the constructor logic in Type
[17:45] benvie: which you may not want, usually don't want
[17:46] AntelopeSalad: ah
[17:46] benvie: not for a prototype object
[17:46] wolftankk has joined the channel
[17:46] scowan has joined the channel
[17:46] AntelopeSalad: thanks for the detailed explanations
[17:47] AntelopeSalad: i just find it strange that crockford recommends using .create so much, i've been reading a lot of his material
[17:47] benvie: depends on what Type does, but usually you don't want instance properties hanging around on a prototype, even one inheriting frmo a higher level one
[17:47] benvie: no prob =D
[17:47] AntelopeSalad: i guess it's for more clean code?
[17:47] AntelopeSalad: (to read)
[17:47] AntelopeSalad: he says it's less prone to error (you can't forget to not use new)
[17:47] benvie: I don't recall what his logic was
[17:47] benvie: I don't know what he doesn't like new, or maybe it was just him dealing with all the people who don't
[17:47] horofox: I have [ { title: [Getter/Setter], id: 1 },
[17:47] horofox:   { title: [Getter/Setter], id: 2 } ]
[17:47] bindr has joined the channel
[17:48] horofox: how do i call the getter or setter of title?
[17:48] benvie: but he's the origin of the one
[17:48] lazyshot has joined the channel
[17:48] russfrank: horofox: blah.title   will clal the getter, blah.title = 'hi'  will call the setter
[17:48] benvie: function F(){}; F.prototype = someObject; return new F
[17:48] dodo has joined the channel
[17:48] benvie: the sintleton constructor thing which is what Object.create is modeled on
[17:48] fmeyer has joined the channel
[17:49] AntelopeSalad: hmm
[17:49] benvie: I know the uses for Object.create but I think he used it way more and I don't have any idea why, there's no benefit
[17:50] AntelopeSalad: for a singleton/static set of functionality, couldn't you just throw it into an object?
[17:50] benvie: making good use of both real classish constructors and prototypal inheritance in the right doses is the path to victory in my opinion
[17:50] benvie: well it's for like
[17:50] benvie: you want to inherit from an object
[17:50] benvie: actually this is something I don't see a lot
[17:51] benvie: way more often you see, for example, copying all the properties from one thing to another
[17:51] jaha has joined the channel
[17:51] benvie: when most of those uses would be better served by just doing Object.create(someObject)
[17:51] benvie: like for example, passing in an options object
[17:51] benvie: in jquery
[17:51] benvie: almost all of those uses are pointless
[17:52] benvie: copying all the options over like that onto some new one and comgingin for efaults
[17:52] AntelopeSalad: in that case yeah, .create seems reasonable
[17:52] benvie: you get the same result by using var opts = Object.create(options)
[17:53] benvie: or if it's a throwaway thing for sure
[17:53] wilmoore has joined the channel
[17:53] benvie: if you have your defaults you could do
[17:53] evilnate has joined the channel
[17:53] benvie: options.__proto__ = defaults
[17:53] benvie: and in one fell swoop you have an options object that falls back to defaults without making anything new or copying anyting
[17:54] fmeyer has joined the channel
[17:54] benvie: aside from the user's passed in options object
[17:54] EhevuTov has joined the channel
[17:54] AntelopeSalad: i think i like that
[17:54] evilnate has joined the channel
[17:55] evilnate has joined the channel
[17:55] benvie: cool thing is it works with arrays these days
[17:56] evilnate has joined the channel
[17:56] pgte has joined the channel
[17:56] benvie: you can kind of do it with strings too but I have to imagine that's often not worth it
[17:56] evilnate has joined the channel
[17:57] Joe-Joe has joined the channel
[17:57] piscisaureus_ has joined the channel
[17:58] evilnate has joined the channel
[17:58] ewalker has joined the channel
[17:58] sawgij has joined the channel
[17:58] Vespakoen has joined the channel
[17:59] fmeyer has joined the channel
[17:59] jmckind has joined the channel
[18:00] Vespakoen has left the channel
[18:00] isaqual has joined the channel
[18:01] Brandon_R has joined the channel
[18:01] bartt has joined the channel
[18:02] evilnate has joined the channel
[18:02] nphase has joined the channel
[18:02] graeme_f has joined the channel
[18:03] evilnate has joined the channel
[18:03] AvianFlu has joined the channel
[18:03] sharkbird has joined the channel
[18:03] `3rdEden has joined the channel
[18:04] halfhalo has joined the channel
[18:04] fmeyer has joined the channel
[18:05] hipsterslapfight has joined the channel
[18:05] evilnate has joined the channel
[18:06] confoocious has joined the channel
[18:06] confoocious has joined the channel
[18:08] theCole has joined the channel
[18:08] jmckind has joined the channel
[18:09] RandallKent has joined the channel
[18:09] fmeyer has joined the channel
[18:10] Raynos: benvie: props for explaining :)
[18:10] criswell has joined the channel
[18:11] boltR has joined the channel
[18:12] voodootikigod: isaacs: break even
[18:12] voodootikigod: thats your answer
[18:12] mgolawala has joined the channel
[18:13] crutex has joined the channel
[18:13] crutex has joined the channel
[18:14] maxogden: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN... VOODOOTIKIGOD!!!!
[18:14] maxogden: 
ACTION makes cheering noises

[18:14] fmeyer has joined the channel
[18:14] Zzaichik has joined the channel
[18:14] hij1nx has joined the channel
[18:15] sadjow has left the channel
[18:15] voodootikigod: hahahaha
[18:15] voodootikigod: wait what did it 
[18:15] voodootikigod: did i do
[18:15] maxogden: well you just said stuff
[18:16] gr-eg has joined the channel
[18:16] IrishGringo has joined the channel
[18:16] maxogden: your general presence is cause for applause
[18:16] RORgasm has joined the channel
[18:17] codycraven has joined the channel
[18:17] RLa: do supervisor try to kill all children at reload or just the main app process?
[18:17] c4milo has joined the channel
[18:17] evilnate has joined the channel
[18:18] kmiyashiro has joined the channel
[18:18] mikeal has joined the channel
[18:18] codycraven has left the channel
[18:18] Wizek has joined the channel
[18:19] iangreenleaf: RLa: You're wondering about apps that use cluster?
[18:19] RLa: yes
[18:19] yawNO has joined the channel
[18:19] fmeyer has joined the channel
[18:19] yawNO has joined the channel
[18:19] RLa: i get "DEBUG: crashing child" on the console and saw this might be related
[18:20] Ryan2 has joined the channel
[18:20] iangreenleaf: RLa: https://github.com/isaacs/node-supervisor/issues/40
[18:20] voodootikigod: hahahahahah
[18:20] RLa: i kill all my workers on master sigterm
[18:20] voodootikigod: will presence more often!
[18:20] iangreenleaf: RLa: Basically, there's no real way for supervisor to know about the children.
[18:20] jxson has joined the channel
[18:20] RLa: this is my current setup: http://pastebin.com/0kYsqkyi
[18:21] RLa: and it does not attemp to kill them?
[18:21] RLa: i saw there is a proposal to make it do so
[18:21] whitman has joined the channel
[18:21] Wizek has joined the channel
[18:21] bingomanatee_ has joined the channel
[18:21] emperorcezar has left the channel
[18:22] deedubs: SubStack: where does https://github.com/substack/testling-mocha stand?
[18:22] alek_b has joined the channel
[18:22] RLa: anyway, it works correcty but just that message bothers me
[18:24] arduix has joined the channel
[18:24] fmeyer has joined the channel
[18:25] robhawkes has joined the channel
[18:25] rwaldron has joined the channel
[18:25] isaacs: voodootikigod: sounds about right.
[18:27] xippi has joined the channel
[18:27] evilnate has joined the channel
[18:28] mikeal has joined the channel
[18:28] pspeter3 has joined the channel
[18:28] pspeter3: Is it possible to do an unverified openssl request with node.js https library?
[18:29] argami has joined the channel
[18:30] dtrejo has joined the channel
[18:30] fmeyer has joined the channel
[18:30] tylerstalder has joined the channel
[18:34] iangreenleaf: RLa: Ah, I see why you're confused. It means "child" in the sense that it's supervisor's child, but yeah, ambiguous.
[18:34] iangreenleaf: RLa: Probably we should just change that message.
[18:34] RLa: oh, it's the master process of the cluster
[18:35] fmeyer has joined the channel
[18:35] insin has joined the channel
[18:35] RLa: i'm looking at source and it's supposed give that message every time?
[18:36] iangreenleaf: RLa: Yeah, I think so.
[18:36] argami has joined the channel
[18:37] Authoritarianism has joined the channel
[18:37] RLa: it uses hard-coded timeout: https://github.com/isaacs/node-supervisor/blob/master/lib/supervisor.js#L186
[18:37] RLa: maybe that's too slow for cluster to terminate
[18:37] sechrist has joined the channel
[18:37] totallymike has joined the channel
[18:38] iangreenleaf: RLa: I thought you said it was working correctly?
[18:39] RLa: yes it is
[18:39] RLa: that's not enough for me :)
[18:39] iangreenleaf: RLa: The timeout is just so it doesn't restart more than once when multiple files change (like git checkout, or sass compile)
[18:40] RLa: yeah, it seems that crash() is normal way stop running program
[18:40] RLa: because it does not send signals or call kill anywhere else in the code
[18:40] ewalker has left the channel
[18:40] fmeyer has joined the channel
[18:41] arduix has joined the channel
[18:41] robhawkes has joined the channel
[18:41] Sly__ has joined the channel
[18:42] argami has joined the channel
[18:42] mehlah has joined the channel
[18:42] isaacs has joined the channel
[18:44] Sly__: Hey, isaacs.
[18:44] trotter has joined the channel
[18:45] mrkurt has joined the channel
[18:45] fmeyer has joined the channel
[18:45] argami has joined the channel
[18:45] WarheadsSE: pspeter3: ?
[18:45] simpleirc has joined the channel
[18:45] tlack has joined the channel
[18:46] Axsuul has joined the channel
[18:46] dingomanatee has joined the channel
[18:46] TooTallNate has joined the channel
[18:46] Axsuul has joined the channel
[18:46] stonecobra has joined the channel
[18:46] isaacs: Sly__: elo
[18:46] mikedeboer has joined the channel
[18:46] pspeter3: WarheadsSE: I was having a weird issue with https ENOENT and I thought it was because of the certificate. For some reason ruby works and node isn't
[18:47] xSmurf has joined the channel
[18:47] WarheadsSE: in theory, you could pass it a ca
[18:47] Omega_Work has joined the channel
[18:48] WarheadsSE: then check your host's CA is up to date.
[18:48] Omega_Work has left the channel
[18:48] WarheadsSE: un these are on the same box..
[18:48] chrishyle has joined the channel
[18:48] githogori has joined the channel
[18:49] WhalerysTargarye has joined the channel
[18:49] rtgibbons has joined the channel
[18:49] rlidwka: I'm writing a generic module that supports a lot of rendering engines (i.e. jade, markdown, ejs, etc.). I think users would typically use just one of them. What should I write in dependencies list in package.json?
[18:49] sekretskwerl has joined the channel
[18:50] maxogden has joined the channel
[18:50] WarheadsSE: does npm *have* option dependancies?
[18:50] thejefflarson has joined the channel
[18:50] Chel has joined the channel
[18:50] fmeyer has joined the channel
[18:51] Aikar has joined the channel
[18:51] Aikar has joined the channel
[18:51] ljharb: rlidwka: if your module supports no rendering engine as well as a bunch of others, then none of them are dependencies - since your module will work without any of them installed
[18:52] evilnate has joined the channel
[18:52] ljharb: "dependencies" and "supports" are different
[18:52] NHQ has joined the channel
[18:52] rlidwka: hm... ok
[18:52] staar2 has joined the channel
[18:52] risto_ has joined the channel
[18:52] evilnate has joined the channel
[18:53] argami has joined the channel
[18:53] cce has joined the channel
[18:53] pspeter3 has left the channel
[18:54] Hamms has joined the channel
[18:54] isaacs: WarheadsSE: "dependancies" is a typo, i think
[18:54] WarheadsSE: ;)
[18:55] WarheadsSE: The problem with being a smartass... sometimes you do it by accident.
[18:55] evilnate has joined the channel
[18:55] nightfury has joined the channel
[18:55] rlidwka: but if optionalDependencies are all available they'll be all installed. Still looks like a waste of diskspace -_-
[18:55] fmeyer has joined the channel
[18:56] staar2: hello
[18:57] WarheadsSE: 
ACTION waves

[18:57] hellp has joined the channel
[18:58] mikeal has joined the channel
[18:58] ioscale has joined the channel
[18:59] jzaefferer has left the channel
[19:00] EhevuTov_ has joined the channel
[19:01] dwhittle has joined the channel
[19:01] fmeyer has joined the channel
[19:01] staar2: does express view lookup works with the views inside directories like res.render('error/404.jade') ?
[19:02] orlandovftw has joined the channel
[19:03] orlandovftw has joined the channel
[19:03] colinclark has joined the channel
[19:04] wibby has joined the channel
[19:05] evilnate: staar2: yes
[19:05] TheJH has joined the channel
[19:06] fmeyer has joined the channel
[19:08] thirdknife has joined the channel
[19:09] limgad has joined the channel
[19:09] kjeldahl has joined the channel
[19:09] Harzilein: hmm
[19:10] Witnes5 has joined the channel
[19:10] Harzilein: it's obviously documented somewhere but i can't find it: how can i install dependencies relative to the project root?
[19:10] astropirate has joined the channel
[19:11] ljharb: rlidwka: "dependent" means "requires in order to function". if you don't require a template engine to function, it's not a dependency
[19:11] fmeyer has joined the channel
[19:11] WarheadsSE: Harzilein: so, like.. npm install express but have all dependancies installed to ./node_modules instead of nested?
[19:11] jacobolus has joined the channel
[19:12] simenbrekken has joined the channel
[19:12] Sadin has joined the channel
[19:13] qbert_ has joined the channel
[19:13] qbert_: do you guys use any deferred / future / promises libs ?  If so what do ya'll use ?
[19:13] isaacs: Harzilein: npm install <whatever>
[19:13] isaacs: Harzilein: that'll install <whatever> relative to the project root
[19:13] isaacs: Harzilein: just be in the project when you do that.
[19:14] isaacs: Harzilein: even better: use `npm init` to create a package.json, and then do `npm install <whatever> --save`
[19:14] isaacs: Harzilein: that'll write the dep to your package.json file.  others can then just check out the repo, and `npm install` will pull from that file
[19:14] rlidwka: ljharb: ok, thanks, i'm trying to figure out now what optionalDependencies are... no documentation in manuals -_-
[19:15] ljharb: rlidwka: i'm just using the english definition of the word "dependency"
[19:15] Wa has joined the channel
[19:15] ljharb: happy to help tho
[19:16] fmeyer has joined the channel
[19:16] rlidwka: hm... that's not exactly an english but a configuration entry. NPM might have it's own meaning of this word :)
[19:17] isaacs: rlidwka: ah, hm.  failed to doc that one, whoops.
[19:18] isaacs: rlidwka: they're deps that npm will try to install, but if they fail, it'll proceed instead of aborting
[19:18] larsschenk has joined the channel
[19:18] isaacs: rlidwka: optionalDependencies and dependencies are merged together, and then npm checks if the failing dep is in optionalDependencies when it decides whether or nto to blow up
[19:19] buhhhh has joined the channel
[19:19] yawNO: hello
[19:19] larsschenk1 has joined the channel
[19:19] Maxani has joined the channel
[19:19] rlidwka: ok, thanks
[19:20] sekretskwerl: how does one do migrations/changes to an object's fields via Node's ORM?
[19:20] sekretskwerl: if you change the setup and run sync() again does it overwrite?
[19:21] larsschenk1 has left the channel
[19:21] RLa: node's orm?
[19:21] sekretskwerl: yes.
[19:22] fmeyer has joined the channel
[19:22] insin: sekretskwerl: is that in a library you're using? Node doesn't have its own ORM
[19:22] graeme_f has joined the channel
[19:22] sekretskwerl: insin: node-orm is the library
[19:22] sekretskwerl: npm install orm
[19:22] yawNO: hey isaacs 
[19:23] RLa: hm, haven't seen it yet
[19:23] yawNO: you're on the book im reading
[19:23] yawNO: :|
[19:23] isaacs: hey, yawNO.  whatcha readin?
[19:23] sekretskwerl: RLa: https://github.com/dresende/node-orm
[19:23] yawNO: isaacs: Async JS
[19:23] RLa: going to check it out
[19:23] isaacs: haven't heard of it
[19:24] staar2: well i am havin problems with express error handling, i took the express error handle example but i cant get it working
[19:24] yawNO: Some js devs, notably Isaac Schlueter, have argued more broadly that try/catch is an anti-pattern
[19:24] yawNO: (cit.)
[19:24] staar2: the app.error does not render custom error page
[19:24] isaacs: heh
[19:24] isaacs: i have done that
[19:24] yawNO: i cant see how try/catch couldnt be antipattern
[19:25] markwubben has joined the channel
[19:25] isaacs: like most antipatterns, it persists because it is very useful in rare situations.
[19:25] levi501d has joined the channel
[19:25] isaacs: but in async code, it can be problematic
[19:25] Harzilein: isaacs: i tried npm install (together with -d so i can see the progress)
[19:25] yawNO: yeah i agree
[19:25] Harzilein: isaacs: but it ends up in my home dir
[19:25] sekretskwerl: Harzilein: use -g ?
[19:25] yawNO: it arises a lot of problems
[19:26] yawNO: but anyway here it is http://leanpub.com/asyncjs
[19:26] isaacs: Harzilein: that's because there's no package.json or node_modules folder anywhere, or because you'er already in your home dir and did an install there.
[19:26] slaskis has joined the channel
[19:26] isaacs: Harzilein: it walks up until it finds either a package.json or a node_modules
[19:26] isaacs: Harzilein: see `npm help folders`
[19:26] yawNO: i found it in the JS Weekly
[19:26] XOXO1 has joined the channel
[19:26] XOXO1: hello. which static file server U guys recommend?
[19:27] fmeyer has joined the channel
[19:27] Harzilein: sekretskwerl: hmm, weird, the project has a package.json. but i'�ll try manually adding a node_modules dir
[19:27] staar2: XOXO1, ngnix ?
[19:28] XOXO1: aah, I would like a node module, it's only couple of html and js files
[19:28] disappearedng has joined the channel
[19:29] Harzilein: sekretskwerl: nope, it stays empty :(
[19:30] brianleroux has joined the channel
[19:30] disappea_ has joined the channel
[19:30] byon has joined the channel
[19:30] euforic has joined the channel
[19:31] Harzilein: harzilein@debian:~/build_proc$ ls -p
[19:31] Harzilein: Build.js  Makefile  node_modules/  package.json  test/  testfiles_static/
[19:31] Harzilein: harzilein@debian:~/build_proc$ npm --version
[19:31] Harzilein: 0.2.19
[19:31] scowan has left the channel
[19:31] Hebo has joined the channel
[19:31] fivetwentysix_ has joined the channel
[19:32] fmeyer has joined the channel
[19:32] Harzilein: sekretskwerl: argh, sorry for the noise. i hardcoded the values in ~/.npmrc for an earlier project
[19:33] Harzilein: is there a way i can override/ignore the npmrc values?
[19:34] Harzilein: or would i need to explicitely state $PWD as install dir then?
[19:34] EhevuTov has joined the channel
[19:35] admc has joined the channel
[19:35] SubStack: deedubs: dropped in favor of http://substack.net/posts/1db3bb
[19:35] deedubs: ah okay perfect
[19:36] mikeal has joined the channel
[19:37] fmeyer has joined the channel
[19:37] cburyta has joined the channel
[19:37] elijah has joined the channel
[19:38] josh-k has joined the channel
[19:41] patcito has joined the channel
[19:41] quijote has joined the channel
[19:42] fmeyer has joined the channel
[19:43] brianleroux has joined the channel
[19:43] theCole has joined the channel
[19:45] sreeix has joined the channel
[19:45] loob2 has joined the channel
[19:45] skm has joined the channel
[19:46] niftylettuce has joined the channel
[19:47] fmeyer has joined the channel
[19:48] MartinCleaver_ has joined the channel
[19:48] MartinCleaver_ has joined the channel
[19:49] ioscale has joined the channel
[19:50] caolanm has joined the channel
[19:51] sekretskwerl: RLa: there's also jugglingdb, which is a lot like ActiveRecord in Ruby
[19:52] piscisaureus_ has joined the channel
[19:52] dwhittle has joined the channel
[19:52] fmeyer has joined the channel
[19:52] sadjow has joined the channel
[19:53] devongovett has joined the channel
[19:53] Hamms has joined the channel
[19:54] chrishyle has joined the channel
[19:54] graeme_f has joined the channel
[19:54] crescendo|work has joined the channel
[19:54] crescendo|work has joined the channel
[19:55] MartinCleaver has joined the channel
[19:56] satyr has joined the channel
[19:57] fmeyer has joined the channel
[19:59] evilnate has joined the channel
[19:59] erzon_ has joined the channel
[20:03] fmeyer has joined the channel
[20:05] byon has left the channel
[20:05] jaha has joined the channel
[20:06] chrishyle has joined the channel
[20:09] `3rdEden has joined the channel
[20:10] AdamGoodrich has joined the channel
[20:11] robhawkes has joined the channel
[20:13] scottdware has joined the channel
[20:13] jsurfer has joined the channel
[20:13] gf3 has joined the channel
[20:13] chrishyle has joined the channel
[20:13] onar has joined the channel
[20:13] dnolen has joined the channel
[20:13] diogogmt has joined the channel
[20:15] h4mz1d has joined the channel
[20:15] RORgasm has joined the channel
[20:16] wdperson has joined the channel
[20:16] achiu has joined the channel
[20:17] dtrejo has joined the channel
[20:19] steveo_ has joined the channel
[20:19] RORgasm_ has joined the channel
[20:20] mcluskydodallas has joined the channel
[20:20] thebutterfly has joined the channel
[20:20] thebutterfly has joined the channel
[20:22] djcoin has joined the channel
[20:22] mikegerwitz has joined the channel
[20:22] mikegerwitz has joined the channel
[20:22] Wizek has joined the channel
[20:24] tlack_: isaacs: any further reading about your views on handling errors in async software? (a blog post, etc) its an interesting topic
[20:25] dnolen: I mentioned this a while ago but if there are any students interested in compilers and/or generating efficient JavaScript, Clojure is a mentoring organization this year for Google Summer of Code 2012 - apply if you're interested http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2012
[20:25] FuzzYspo0N: where is TJ Holowaychuk today?
[20:26] mikeal has joined the channel
[20:27] lucidity14 has joined the channel
[20:28] FuzzYspo0N: is it possible to grab the node require() stuff separately?
[20:28] HSG has joined the channel
[20:29] WarheadsSE: dnolen: involved in any way with the fellows at relevance?
[20:30] damiano has joined the channel
[20:30] jsurfer has joined the channel
[20:30] patcito_ has joined the channel
[20:30] damiano: hello everybody, does a MVC framework like Symphony/Cakephp exists in Node.JS ?
[20:31] skomski has joined the channel
[20:31] WarheadsSE: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mvc%20nodejs
[20:31] damiano: a framework that uses MVC
[20:32] damiano: I see Express but it has not COntrollers
[20:32] tlack_: damiano: there's Locomotive, but most people seem to use their own separate pieces to build things
[20:32] damiano: i need to implement it myself
[20:32] tlack_: damiano: for instance, use whatever ORM you like, whatever template, etc
[20:32] Renegade001 has joined the channel
[20:32] tlack_: damiano: dont act like its a lot of work to hook up some code to a route in express :)
[20:32] WarheadsSE: seriously, follow that link.
[20:32] nateps has joined the channel
[20:32] WarheadsSE: 1..2..3..4.. .. 6
[20:33] damiano: tlack, i don't like to put a pieace of express a piece of locomotive a piece of another module :-D
[20:33] thetony: WarheadsSE: you just want to know that a fake cursor was moved elsewhere in the world : - )
[20:33] qbert_: do you guys use any deferred / future / promises libs ?  If so what do ya'll use ?
[20:33] WarheadsSE: haha
[20:33] tlack_: damiano: maybe you arent cut out for node.js then. the idea is a lot of small pieces that work well together, not huge libraries like rails
[20:33] WarheadsSE: no, I want most for him to *actually* use google.
[20:34] thetony: i wrote an MVC about a year and a half ago to write mobile applications against SAP web services
[20:34] tlack_: damiano: are you afraid that you wont do a good job picking out individual pieces? just go for it
[20:34] WarheadsSE: there is a nodejs sap thingy.. it think
[20:34] insin: damiano: there are a bunch of railsy clones
[20:34] tlack_: 
ACTION shakes off the nightmarish visions of SAP+Node

[20:35] insin: many of them use CoffeeScript too :/
[20:35] thetony: this was before SAP bought sybase
[20:35] damiano: wait
[20:35] damiano: i can't mantain a code like this
[20:35] insin: so much Rubyses in our JSes
[20:35] damiano: piece of 1 - piece of 2
[20:35] thetony: and integrated all of the stuff with JS : - )
[20:35] damiano: it is not so clear i mean
[20:35] damiano: *i think
[20:35] dnolen: WarheadsSE: yes, they're the organization but the effort is completely community driven.
[20:36] jesusabdullah: sap?
[20:36] jesusabdullah: what is sap?
[20:36] damiano: i'm seeing http://railwayjs.com/
[20:36] damiano: someone use it?
[20:36] WarheadsSE: Just wondering, have an associate that works there.
[20:36] thetony: it's easier to just SOAP calls to the servers from a mobile device, even with unwired platform it's still way easier to consume soap
[20:37] damiano: hmmm how cna i use PUT Method ?? mhm
[20:37] jesusabdullah: damiano: not I. Flatiron 4 lyfe \m/
[20:37] thetony: rather than creating wrappers to output JSON, it's still easier to parse a DOM
[20:37] dnolen: WarheadsSE: cool, I've a few of them through the Clojure conferences, seem like very nice people.
[20:37] thetony: he works for SAP or sybase?
[20:37] dnolen: I've met, I mean
[20:38] FuzzYspo0N: where is require() defined in node.js ? C side or JS /lib side?
[20:38] bartt1 has joined the channel
[20:38] Aiden has joined the channel
[20:38] WarheadsSE: dnolen: bvandgrift ?
[20:38] damiano: jesusabdullah, it uses Controllers, Models, VIews ? 
[20:39] damiano: because i also saw Express is known as MVC framework but it does not look like
[20:40] damiano: excuse me guys, how can i send PUT/DELETE method ??
[20:40] damiano: i'm seeing REST scheme in glatiron °_°
[20:40] damiano: *Flariton
[20:40] jesusabdullah: damiano: It doesn't define such for you, no, but it has all the stuff necessary for doing models and views and whatnot
[20:40] perezd has joined the channel
[20:40] jesusabdullah: It sounds like geddy might be more your speed
[20:40] dnolen: WarheadsSE: maybe - I know alan dipert, sthalloway, stuartsierra, abedra - the the folks involved in Clojure language dev.
[20:41] sadjow has left the channel
[20:41] damiano: jesusabdullah, yes it has all stuff...but at the moment it is not a MVC framework
[20:42] damiano: it can do it...but it dont have MVC at the moment
[20:42] jesusabdullah: I guess my thinking is that, organizing your code into models, views and controllers isn't really something you need a framework to force you to do?
[20:42] tlack_: damiano: about HTTP PUT http://expressjs.com/guide.html#http-methods
[20:43] WarheadsSE: yeah, hes not in language dev, hes a major major ruby guy/evangelist
[20:43] tlack_: jesusabdullah: i dont understand why he is so concerned about it either, its so easy with node..
[20:43] WarheadsSE: our whitespace debate is hilarious to listen to
[20:43] thetony: jesusabdullah: i agree
[20:43] jesusabdullah: Well, I can understand why someone would want that but, like, yeah
[20:43] jesusabdullah: that's almost more of a boilerplate problem than anything else
[20:43] tlack_: damiano: express really makes it insanely easy. really. really, really easy. no MVC framework required.
[20:43] jesusabdullah: I wish this app nuno was working on was open source, so I could just show you
[20:43] damiano: tlack_, yes i know
[20:44] damiano: but i give you an example
[20:44] damiano: if i have
[20:44] jesusabdullah: he just has a folder that holds models, and a folder of controllers that require the models
[20:44] CloudGroup has joined the channel
[20:44] thetony: has anyone used oracle's nosql ?
[20:44] WarheadsSE: *that was at you dnolen sorry
[20:44] jesusabdullah: you'd do something similar with views presumably
[20:44] damiano:  /user/ /user/view /user/edit /user/show /user/delete /user/connect etc etc
[20:44] damiano: i need to add A LOT of routes
[20:44] damiano: as PATH
[20:45] damiano: if express had an :action controller
[20:45] damiano: i write only one route
[20:45] damiano: but at the moment
[20:45] damiano: i can't do it
[20:45] rlidwka: /user/:action <- only one route
[20:45] damiano: BECAUSE I need to check:
[20:45] tlack_: you can do catch alls in the route
[20:45] jesusabdullah: director can do that
[20:45] damiano: 1. if the controller exists (<---- express DOES NOT do it)
[20:45] damiano: 2. Load it
[20:45] tylerstalder has joined the channel
[20:46] damiano: 3. check if the action exists
[20:46] rlidwka: 1. route middleware
[20:46] damiano: 4. IF the view does not exists call INDEX() action
[20:46] rlidwka: 2. route middleware
[20:46] damiano: i have to do all the thing myself...express does not do it
[20:46] tlack_: if (req.params.action in exports) exports[req.params.action](req,res) else index(req,res);
[20:46] rlidwka: 3. route middleware
[20:46] rlidwka: ;)
[20:46] rlidwka: and 4 is possible too with it...
[20:47] WarheadsSE: I thought there was some variant with express that would handle things like /user/*
[20:47] damiano: i saw express-resource
[20:47] damiano: but it uses REST
[20:47] rlidwka: check screencasts, they're pretty nice
[20:47] insin: why are there people designing the high level of The Same Damn Framework Design in my #node.js window?
[20:48] tlack_: insin: old habits die hard
[20:48] qbert_: thetony, what oracle nosql ?
[20:48] ramitos has joined the channel
[20:48] insin: hasn't this already been cloned a zillion times in existing modules?
[20:49] insin: or is it just someone asking why a hammer isn't flying them to the moon successfully?
[20:49] damiano: tlack,   <input type="hidden" name="_method" value="put" />    i saw thank you!
[20:49] WarheadsSE: it has...
[20:49] patcito has joined the channel
[20:49] WarheadsSE: but people are missing reading the READMEs or something.
[20:49] justicefries has joined the channel
[20:50] Morkel has joined the channel
[20:50] thetony: qbert_: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/products/nosqldb/downloads/index.html
[20:50] qbert_: thetony, thx I couldnt find the download only whitepapers :S
[20:50] boltR has joined the channel
[20:50] damiano: rlidwka, middleware?
[20:50] insin: can we officially bless some module as The Official Thing That People Who Want Rails Want to make it stop? ;-)
[20:50] damiano: i need to assign the URL
[20:50] rlidwka: damiano: route-specific middleware
[20:51] tlack_: damiano: just read the docs please, this is going a bit overboard
[20:51] thetony: i was on the website looking to do a benchmark on 11g and saw the nosql thing last week - i was just curious if anyone had used it.  i was really surprised to see oracle with a nosql database haha.  btw qbert_ is the first game i remember playing and i busted my head open while playing it
[20:51] qbert_: I think rankings in npm find would solve it :S
[20:51] damiano: example --> /user ---> assigned ot UserController ---> that checks actions
[20:51] damiano: ok
[20:51] qbert_: thetony, busted your head open ?  Were you emulating qbert or playing the video game :P ?
[20:52] triptec has joined the channel
[20:52] rlidwka: damiano: http://expressjs.com/screencasts.html - check 3rd and 4th videos - that's about it
[20:52] thetony: qbert_: haha i was like 2 or 3 and fell backwards off of a bench and bled all over my dad's master sergeant's house
[20:53] damiano: thanks
[20:54] dscape: damiano: jesusabdullah is right, mvc is a definition
[20:54] dscape: you dont need someone to implement it for you in javascript
[20:54] dscape: i would argue you dont want someone to implement it for you
[20:54] Aiden: thetony: Skim read your message and thought you had busted your head open playing with oracle's nosql database :)
[20:54] qbert_: thetony, hehe good times :).  Beats most game stories I have, which usually involve me crying ...
[20:54] damiano: dscape, i used CakePHP and symphony
[20:54] damiano: (php)
[20:55] damiano: maybe i think wrong because i always used php and these frameworks
[20:55] dscape: i understanding your point, but nodejs is different
[20:55] dscape: learn about the core and how it works, this is significantly different from "other stuff"
[20:55] dscape: mvc is just some requires you do, and a decision you make on how to organiza your code
[20:55] dscape: before_filters etc, are different in node
[20:56] dscape: for the same reason we are 1323307885385
[20:56] dscape: man.. significantly different from "other stuff"
[20:56] RobWC has joined the channel
[20:56] dscape: e.g. stream and event emitters are super important in node
[20:57] tlack_: The Way of Node
[20:57] JmZ_ has joined the channel
[20:57] RobWC has left the channel
[20:57] dscape: the jailed mode of web development was super useful for languages that werent "web" to start with
[20:57] damiano: ok
[20:57] insin: wax .on(), wax .off()
[20:57] dscape: node is different, you can be fast with no jail mode
[20:57] damiano: ok understand
[20:57] dscape: sure that can offer you some assurance and fast transition from php
[20:57] damiano: thank you dscape 
[20:57] dscape: but at what cost?
[20:57] Aiden: dscape: is there a good set of tutorials/documents that help people understand why/how stream and event emitters are so important in node?
[20:58] dscape: this is my personal opinion, lots of other community members have different ones and i respect them
[20:58] dscape: so gather info around, but imho learn core first :)
[20:58] vargle has joined the channel
[20:58] damiano: ok :)
[20:58] hydrozen: I just tried to install socket.io with npm, and it bombs on installing ws with the following message http://pastie.org/3674141. Anyone has any idea what can be wrong?
[20:58] dscape: Aiden: i have some references like docs.jit.su and nodetuts.com but the answer would be no
[20:58] dscape: or at least, not enough.
[20:59] Aiden: fair enough. Should someone wanting to understand that just start looking at the core of node?
[20:59] dscape: Aiden: http://blog.dump.ly/post/19819897856/why-node-js-streams-are-awesome
[20:59] dscape: is a nice blog post highlighting why they are cool
[20:59] tlack_: dscape: that would be cool to document, it's a big differentiator from other environments
[20:59] tlack_: Aiden: its just a convenient convention that avoids having to name explicit callbacks, but its common practice in node which makes it handy
[20:59] dscape: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo_B4LTHi3I is a good intro to node for people that come from backgrounds like php
[21:00] Aiden: dscape: thanks for  that link
[21:00] dscape: e.g. in some stuff im working on
[21:00] dscape: i actually pipe a tarball from one server to another to do a streaming deployment
[21:00] dscape: that's 3 lines of code
[21:01] dscape: but yeah, a blog post even on whats a stream, whats a event emitter, whats the difference, when not to use a callback
[21:01] tlack_: dscape: is that dumply post yours? it triggered some really interesting conversation on hn
[21:01] dscape: on to do proper error handling etc would be cool
[21:01] jrundquist has joined the channel
[21:01] jimmysparkle has joined the channel
[21:01] dscape: tlack_: nop, i just read it and found it cool
[21:01] tlack_: dscape: you would be doing the lords work if you did that
[21:01] dscape: :)
[21:01] jryans has joined the channel
[21:02] dscape: tlack_: on the error side me and indexzero kind of did http://github.com/flatiron/errs
[21:02] dscape: but most people dont even understand the problem
[21:02] dscape: so i guess education would be important
[21:02] Aiden: dscape: I'll have a read and a watch of those resources. Started making my way through NodeUp episodes too.
[21:03] dscape: Aiden: node up is fun, but more advanced.
[21:03] dscape: there;s also some good books on nodejs
[21:03] argami has joined the channel
[21:04] dscape: rauchg launched one pretty recently
[21:04] Aiden: I have the Manning MEAP of Node.js in Action, so will be going through that too
[21:04] davemo has joined the channel
[21:05] orospakr has joined the channel
[21:05] damiano: guys
[21:06] damiano: is this a bullshit? https://gist.github.com/2209697
[21:06] damiano: ahaha
[21:06] jarek has joined the channel
[21:06] jarek has joined the channel
[21:06] djMax: Anybody worked with connect-auth? How do you get the username of the authenticated user?
[21:08] robhawkes has joined the channel
[21:09] jrundquist has left the channel
[21:09] xtianw has joined the channel
[21:10] mundanity has joined the channel
[21:10] jrundquist has joined the channel
[21:10] vguerra has joined the channel
[21:10] argami has joined the channel
[21:11] damiano: dscape, https://gist.github.com/2209751
[21:11] damiano: can you give me an advice regarding the code inside the function ?
[21:11] damiano: can i optimize it? 
[21:12] damiano: dscape, i mean from 10th to 26th line
[21:12] qbert_: your not passing any parameters into your controller
[21:13] qbert_: err, your controller methods
[21:13] FuzzYspo0N: arg, i can't seem to find where node defines the require() global
[21:13] damiano: qbert_, yes you are true
[21:13] FuzzYspo0N: hmm wait
[21:13] damiano: *right
[21:13] zivester has joined the channel
[21:14] dscape: damiano: there are plenty of tools to do url routing
[21:16] argami_ has joined the channel
[21:16] ramitos has joined the channel
[21:16] damiano: dscape, as i told you before i don't do reuting
[21:17] damiano: as you can see i use app.get('ROUTE')
[21:17] damiano: then i create a middleware
[21:17] damiano: to load the controller and call the action (method inside the controller)=
[21:18] trotter_ has joined the channel
[21:18] tlack_: damiano: that's some tricky code but the idea seems valid; might be easier to just make an explicit route map and loop through it calling app.get() for each item
[21:18] argami has joined the channel
[21:18] dscape: damiano: this is how my apps look like
[21:18] dscape: https://gist.github.com/991c9fca97372cadce1e
[21:18] damiano: i see
[21:19] evilnate has joined the channel
[21:19] dscape: but this is no framework, if anything its framework agnostic
[21:19] dscape: as long as it has routing :)
[21:20] damiano: dscape, yes, but it seems a small project, no?
[21:20] damiano: i mean....onyl two controllers
[21:20] dscape: damiano: i removed all the real stuff
[21:20] tlack_: damiano: like var controllers = [ 'user': require('user') ]; for (var idx in controllers) { var c = controllers[idx]; app.all('/'+idx + '/:action?', c.handle); }
[21:20] dscape: its closed source
[21:20] dscape: :)
[21:20] dscape: plus i like making the routes teh center of my app
[21:20] dscape: it allows other developers to be fast finding out where the code is
[21:21] damiano: tlack, c.handle ?
[21:21] tlack_: damiano: c.handle would be somehting you define as exports.handle = function(req, res) { } in each of the controllers 
[21:21] WarheadsSE: damiano: forgive my jump, but after having read the last ~100 lines, I'd say you're too fixated on the methodology vs the solution
[21:21] tlack_: damiano: psuedocode here but you get the idea; maybe simpler than your function-returning-a-function thing
[21:22] damiano: tlack, "handle" should be the :action
[21:22] trotter has joined the channel
[21:22] robi42 has joined the channel
[21:22] damiano: WarheadsSE, np, you are right...i'm tring to understand "how to start" coding
[21:22] tlack_: damiano: k thats an obvious change
[21:22] damiano: c.req.params.action
[21:23] tlack_: just req.params.action not c. 
[21:23] damiano: c is the controller i have to call the method inside it
[21:23] damiano: but ok
[21:24] tlack_: oh, then you mean c[req.params.action] - c.req.params.action wouldn't make sense
[21:24] damiano: yes yes i wrote worng
[21:24] damiano: excuse me
[21:24] tlack_: remember that in js to look up an arbitrary element of an object you need [] not .
[21:24] damiano: yes i know i wrote wrong
[21:24] damiano: but thanks!
[21:25] Peter14 has joined the channel
[21:25] damiano: tlack, last thing....if i write c[req.params.action]
[21:25] damiano: and someone pass /user/blablablabla it does not find the method inside the controller...
[21:26] damiano: express throws an exception right ?
[21:26] tlack_: var a = req.params.action; if (a in c) c[a] else c.index
[21:26] tlack_: yeah, well technically its js that throws the exception
[21:26] tlack_: v8 itself
[21:26] damiano: k
[21:27] joshthecoder has joined the channel
[21:28] _rockbot_ has joined the channel
[21:28] Peter14: Hey guys is it still suggested when rollin out an express app to use a server like nginx to serve static content?
[21:28] tlack_: im trying to think of a way to allow my jr developers to play with node on our dev server, without having to get them to login and run the node app instances themselves. something simpler than git. it would then be plugged into our nginx config automatically. anything out there?
[21:29] rjack: I'm trying put together an npm package of a small node.js script that needs to fs.readFileSync an Handlebar template. How do I define this template file in package.json? How do I reference it in my code?
[21:29] tlack_: Peter14: i think having nginx in front of express makes a lot of sense from different perspectives
[21:29] maxogden: tlack_: check out propagit by substack
[21:29] isaacs: rjack: just put it in teh same folder, and reference it via: var file = path.resolve(__dirname, "foo.handlebarwhatever")
[21:30] maxogden: whoa tlack and rjack
[21:30] isaacs: theyr'e the SubStack backup band
[21:30] tommyvyo has joined the channel
[21:30] maxogden: reminds me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teal'c
[21:30] Peter14: Ok, I had seen that people suggest it but is it just for performance reasons?
[21:30] isaacs: maxogden: Teal'c don't want no scrub.
[21:30] rjack: isaacs: thanks, I'll try
[21:31] recur has joined the channel
[21:31] WarheadsSE: Peter14: because servince static content, espeically any "larger" files, it best handled by something specialized in it.
[21:31] WarheadsSE: plus, then your node app isnt spinning on sending this file to a client
[21:32] tlack_: Peter14: another option would be to aggressively use S3 :)
[21:33] qbert_: thats the approach I take
[21:33] Peter14: Got ya. Yeah I like the price tag of nginx compared to s3 though. Not enough users to justify the cost of the service. Thanks guys for the input
[21:34] WarheadsSE: 
ACTION doesnt have anything big enough on node to warrant s3

[21:34] ph^ has joined the channel
[21:34] mikeal has joined the channel
[21:35] tlack_: s3 is a liberating thought exercise
[21:36] maxogden: use node to serve files until its a problem and then fix the problem with a more complicated solution later :)
[21:37] jacobolu_ has joined the channel
[21:38] Renegade001 has joined the channel
[21:38] robhawkes has joined the channel
[21:38] enmand has joined the channel
[21:38] nerdy has joined the channel
[21:39] eugs51 has joined the channel
[21:40] misza_ has joined the channel
[21:41] tjbell has joined the channel
[21:42] _ritch has left the channel
[21:43] SubStack: tlack_: check out http://github.com/substack/seaport and https://github.com/substack/fleet
[21:43] ningu has joined the channel
[21:44] misza__ has joined the channel
[21:46] zackattack has joined the channel
[21:47] dgathright has joined the channel
[21:48] tlack_: SubStack: i think something like this is more on the cognitive level of what i need.. my guys are used to working in vhosting-ish environments (many sites/apps on one server) https://gist.github.com/2209996
[21:48] tlack_: chegg out my psuedocode
[21:48] lperrin has joined the channel
[21:49] Renegade001 has joined the channel
[21:49] mikeal has joined the channel
[21:49] maxogden: tlack_: ive been working on a vhost deployment thing lately... its half baked though
[21:49] tlack_: maxogden: what are the differences between your approach and mine?
[21:49] tlack_: 
ACTION secretly hates the idea of self-contained apps at times

[21:50] maxogden: tlack_: mine is 1 node process
[21:50] theCole_ has joined the channel
[21:50] argami_ has joined the channel
[21:50] maxogden: tlack_: i use the domain router explained at the bottom of the readme here https://github.com/mikeal/tako
[21:51] Harzilein: hmm
[21:51] timoxley has joined the channel
[21:51] Harzilein: the repl_env_start_file branch never got merged?
[21:51] tlack_: ahhh thats an interesting approach. you could actually do it as a proxy instead and get the benefits of both
[21:51] maxogden: tlack_: also ive been working on https://github.com/maxogden/rewriter 
[21:52] maxogden: tlack_: so you can just whip up a app declaratively using rewriter and bind it to a subdomain using tako
[21:52] lohkey has joined the channel
[21:52] erichynds has joined the channel
[21:52] lohkey has left the channel
[21:52] lucidity14 has left the channel
[21:52] argami has joined the channel
[21:54] brainss has joined the channel
[21:54] automata has joined the channel
[21:55] justicefries has joined the channel
[21:55] devongovett has joined the channel
[21:55] trivol has joined the channel
[21:55] michaelhartau has joined the channel
[21:59] dilvie has joined the channel
[22:00] tilgovi has joined the channel
[22:04] argami has joined the channel
[22:05] jrundquist has left the channel
[22:05] automata has joined the channel
[22:06] eldar has joined the channel
[22:06] argami has joined the channel
[22:06] TimTimTim has joined the channel
[22:07] stagas has joined the channel
[22:09] insin has joined the channel
[22:11] rtgibbons has joined the channel
[22:11] antz29 has joined the channel
[22:12] scottdware has joined the channel
[22:12] antz29: evenin' all, quick question. using no.de smart machines, do they support custom domains at all?
[22:13] dgasson has joined the channel
[22:13] mikeal has joined the channel
[22:13] antz29: 
ACTION has heard rumours of Joyent staff stalking these hallways :)

[22:13] maxogden: theres a joyent room too if you dont get an answer in here
[22:13] antz29: they didn't seem to know :)
[22:14] antz29: no noders in there it would seem.
[22:15] k1ttty has joined the channel
[22:15] mehale: this code stops sending to stdout after a while, even if the pipe have data flowing: stream.pipe(process.stdout); /// do I need to do anything to have it flowing?
[22:15] Vespakoen has joined the channel
[22:15] superlou has joined the channel
[22:15] skm has joined the channel
[22:17] bnoordhuis has joined the channel
[22:19] argami_ has joined the channel
[22:19] evilnate has joined the channel
[22:19] Swizec has joined the channel
[22:21] Hosh has joined the channel
[22:21] evilnate has joined the channel
[22:22] tlack_: mehale: odd. how long? are you sure there isn't some error condition occurring? 
[22:22] Authoritarianism has joined the channel
[22:23] mehale: I dont think so. tail -f stream works ok. lemme paste my code, one sec
[22:23] mehale: http://pastebin.com/Dxb7qjka
[22:24] devongovett has joined the channel
[22:24] CloudGroup has joined the channel
[22:25] GJdan has joined the channel
[22:26] tlack_: when does the app time out? do you know if your app is still running or if it's locked or something? might even want to run it through gdb and abort it when it crashes and see where you get dumped out
[22:27] Vespakoen has left the channel
[22:27] CIA-19: node: 03Nathan Rajlich 07master * raad12d0 10/ (8 files in 3 dirs): 
[22:27] CIA-19: node: readline: migrate ansi/vt100 logic from tty to readline
[22:27] CIA-19: node: The overall goal here is to make readline more interoperable with other node
[22:27] CIA-19: node: Streams like say a net.Socket instance, in "terminal" mode.
[22:27] CIA-19: node: See #2922 for all the details.
[22:27] CIA-19: node: Closes #2922. - http://git.io/5tyeTA
[22:28] mehale: tlack_ it hangs after it receives first bunch of data...
[22:28] mehale: what is gdb?
[22:28] evilnate has joined the channel
[22:28] tlack_: gdb is a debugger. if your thing hangs after the first bunch of data its probably something less dramatic (and not needing of gdb). 
[22:29] mehale: ok :)
[22:29] mehale: any idea?
[22:29] tlack_: im not qualified to say. you've tried the obvious thing of removing the .resume()?
[22:29] mehale: yes I did.
[22:29] mehale: seems like stream is getting closed.
[22:30] mehale: not sure if it helps. but cat /stream has near the same behaviour, while tail -f works ok
[22:30] erichynds has joined the channel
[22:31] AdamGoodrich has joined the channel
[22:31] benvie: lol sweet
[22:31] benvie: I made a thing that converts aribtrary js object structures into a description usable by my binary data lib
[22:32] benvie: and added a couple basic string types
[22:32] benvie: so it can encode everything to a giant ass struct and buffer
[22:32] benvie: it worked on process
[22:33] qbert_: does anyone here speak japanese ?
[22:34] benvie: 2677 bytes to encode process and all of env to a buffer
[22:34] dthompso99 has joined the channel
[22:34] Octayn: benvie: you do some weird shit, but I respect it
[22:34] mehale: benvie, what do you know about reading named pipes? ;)
[22:34] benvie: https://gist.github.com/1db0cd254126f8c0e53b
[22:35] benvie: mmm I know thing theoretical things
[22:35] mehale: :(
[22:35] dthompso99 has left the channel
[22:35] mehale: trying to read data from it and let it open...
[22:35] benvie: oh yeah
[22:36] benvie: they need to fix libuv
[22:36] mehale: somehow I can only read the last chunk
[22:36] benvie: oh
[22:36] benvie: that's different
[22:36] mehale: how?
[22:37] jacobolus has joined the channel
[22:37] benvie: thing I am thinking of just makes it only emit events when enter is sent
[22:37] benvie: instead of every keypress
[22:37] benvie: which is annoying enough
[22:37] benvie: that's with a pipe
[22:37] arvidkahl_ has joined the channel
[22:38] mehale: mine sends a whole line at once
[22:38] mehale: buuuuuut, it silents after the first chunk
[22:39] arvidkahl_ has joined the channel
[22:41] argami has joined the channel
[22:41] Venom_X has joined the channel
[22:42] tlack_: mehale: are you sure that is a pipe and not a regular file?
[22:42] mehale: tlack_: 0 prw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Mar 26 22:25 /tmp/streampipe
[22:43] mehale: tail -f works ok, but cat dies quickly
[22:43] tlack_: mehale: for shits and giggles try this fs.watchFile("/path/to/log.txt", function (prev, curr) {
[22:43] tlack_:     // verify writes
[22:43] tlack_:     if (x && y && z) {
[22:43] caolanm has joined the channel
[22:43] tlack_:         fs.readFile("/path/to/log.txt", "utf8", function (err, body) {
[22:43] tlack_:              // check what has been appended
[22:43] tlack_:         });
[22:43] tlack_:     }
[22:43] tlack_: });
[22:43] tlack_: ah shit sorry for the spam
[22:43] mehale: ok, one sec
[22:43] mehale: hi, np for me
[22:43] mehale: one sec, my baby is crying loud
[22:44] indy3 has joined the channel
[22:45] davemo has joined the channel
[22:48] warz has joined the channel
[22:48] warz has joined the channel
[22:49] Gekz has joined the channel
[22:49] Gekz has joined the channel
[22:49] tlack__ has joined the channel
[22:50] benvie: I wonder what this could be used for
[22:51] mehale: tlack_: should I console.log stuff on this code?
[22:51] tlack_: mehale: i usually do
[22:52] mehale: ok ;)
[22:52] argami has joined the channel
[22:52] mehale: console.log(curr) & body... nothing happens.
[22:52] BillyBreen has joined the channel
[22:52] tlack_: gist me
[22:54] HSG has joined the channel
[22:54] mehale: tlack_ http://pastebin.com/VizDZvth
[22:54] mikeal has joined the channel
[22:54] tlack_: mehale: you should remove those x/y/z lines of course
[22:55] mehale: hm, and use what therE?
[22:55] tlack_: mehale: but if the first two arent triggering, i have no idea.. google madly 
[22:55] mehale: I am doing ;)
[22:55] tlack_: mehale: nothing, there is no relevant if statement
[22:55] mehale: ok
[22:55] mehale: this is promising... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9018526/node-js-fifo-process-hangs-when-writing-to-file-descriptor
[22:56] DijkstraGroupie has joined the channel
[22:56] halfhalo has joined the channel
[22:56] tlack_: this backlift.com shit just blew my mind
[22:59] kev_nz has joined the channel
[22:59] markq has joined the channel
[22:59] daleharvey: yo mikeal, around?
[23:00] timoxley has joined the channel
[23:00] tbranyen: tlack_: why?
[23:00] tbranyen: tlack_: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3758860 << see my comments on there
[23:00] tbranyen: until they fix no local development, thats a pass for me
[23:00] jxson_ has joined the channel
[23:01] onto has joined the channel
[23:01] andre_pl: i'm having trouble with fs.readdir and filenames with spaces...
[23:01] tlack_: tbranyen: 'backlift init' will probably be able to create a boilerplate that talks to their servers APIs without being physically hosted there
[23:01] tlack_: tbranyen: (seems obvious to me, dunno why he didnt think of that)
[23:01] arduix has joined the channel
[23:01] tbranyen: tlack_: also no index.html file
[23:01] andre_pl: fs.readdirSync("/home/andre/somedir"); returns ["a", "filename", "with", "spaces"]
[23:01] tbranyen: i think he just needs to work in a local server
[23:01] tlack_: tbranyen: seems easily fixed too imho
[23:02] tbranyen: that builds like he's doing on the server
[23:02] onto: Hello! I am developing an application with express, is there a "route resolution" mechanism (a la symfony for PHP?)
[23:02] ted_ has joined the channel
[23:02] tlack_: tbranyen: my mind is blown because the idea that you could just write very high levelJS and have it suddenly become an app hosted in the cloud -- without even having to work on the admin system/backend -- is pretty next level
[23:02] tbranyen: tlack_: ya i signed up i wanna see what its about
[23:02] tbranyen: but i have my reservations
[23:02] tlack_: onto: what do you mean by that? have you read the express.js guide at expressjs.com?
[23:03] tlack_: tbranyen: "fork" (steal) his idea but for knockout or agility.js plz
[23:03] tbranyen: i'm a backbone guy tho
[23:03] tbranyen: lol
[23:03] tlack_: oh well nobody's perfect
[23:03] tbranyen: +)
[23:03] baudehlo has joined the channel
[23:04] xuser has joined the channel
[23:04] onto: tlack_: In symfony/yii (I come from PHP) -- When I define a route, I can later reference them to build URLs. Similar to the rails url_for helper, is there such a helper in express.js (it does not state any in the guide)?
[23:05] tlack_: onto: im still new to express and node but i havent seen anything. that would be a cool piece of middleware to write and release though
[23:05] tlack_: actually, im not sure how it would work - how would you refer to the other endpoint?
[23:06] tlack_: the routes are defined explicitly and the callback is linked in that explicit piece of code; what would you refer to?
[23:06] onto: tlack_: I was thinking of named references
[23:06] tlack_: onto: psuedocode me
[23:06] onto: tlack_: For example: app.get('/user/:id', function(){}, 'user.profile')
[23:07] onto: and to refer back to it: app.url('user.profile', {id:3})
[23:07] onto: ... or somewhere along those lines
[23:07] tlack_: interesting, that would work
[23:08] tlack_: not sure the best way to hack it in though
[23:08] brianseeders has joined the channel
[23:08] onto: What would be the best "framework" / application structure for large-scale applications with node.js? (Do note that I'm new to server-side JS)
[23:09] tilgovi has joined the channel
[23:09] qbert_: a web app ?
[23:09] mehale: tlack_ that is the problem, the stream gets ended... any idea how can I make a reopen code? how to logic it?
[23:09] onto: qbert_: Yes
[23:09] rtgibbons has joined the channel
[23:09] SubStack: onto: what do you have in mind when you say "large-scale"?
[23:10] mehale: large like google? or large as ebay?
[23:10] qbert_: I think he means "get dnode working with IE so I can stop shimming my code"
[23:10] SubStack: haha
[23:10] SubStack: I wrote tests for that and everything
[23:10] tlack_: mehale: at this point we are outside of my comfort zone
[23:10] SubStack: just haven't gotten around to it >_<
[23:10] mehale: hihi ok thanks
[23:10] qbert_: do it! :)
[23:10] onto: SubStack: modular and structured so that I can reduce monkey-patching.
[23:10] azend has joined the channel
[23:11] SubStack: onto: well you shouldn't ever need to monkey-patch
[23:12] subbyyy has joined the channel
[23:12] SubStack: I am an advocate of splitting up every possible thing into modules and separate services that talk to each other
[23:12] argami_ has joined the channel
[23:13] tlack_: onto: with express its easy to write 'middleware' that kind of sits in the processing path and does whatever it wants, without overriding other parts of the code with special behavior (i think?)
[23:13] AaronMT has joined the channel
[23:13] rlidwka_ has joined the channel
[23:13] onto: SubStack: Yes, could you refer me to a resource which shows me how to do that best? :)
[23:14] mikeal has joined the channel
[23:14] xuser has left the channel
[23:14] onto: SubStack: as in, how would I separate the files, etc (right now, I have everything in app.js)?
[23:15] cipher__ has joined the channel
[23:15] jocafa: service-based architecture ftw
[23:15] argami has joined the channel
[23:15] tlack_: onto: i kinda like this dude's structure https://github.com/PuerkitoBio/express-boilerplate
[23:15] SubStack: onto: it's still mad science at this point but you could use dnode to start with http://github.com/substack/dnode
[23:16] zackattack_ has joined the channel
[23:16] tlack_: onto: there are a million ways to do it. see the express examples for more https://github.com/visionmedia/express/tree/master/examples
[23:16] SubStack: for instance my startup has a completly separate auth, webapp, nexus, logger, tunnel, stripe, and encoder servers that all talk to each other on the network over dnode
[23:16] benvie: substack check this https://gist.github.com/1db0cd254126f8c0e53b
[23:16] SubStack: actually they use upnode which is an abstraction on top of dnode to keep the connections alive no matter what
[23:17] cjm has joined the channel
[23:17] SubStack: and actually now I'm porting them to airport which is an abstraction on top of upnode to integrate with seaport, a service registry
[23:17] tlack_: as an alternative you could also use require() lol
[23:17] tlack_: i kid i kid
[23:17] SubStack: benvie: what is this?
[23:18] benvie: it automatically turns js objects into a struct using best fit binary types
[23:18] benvie: and can then instantiate on a buffer from the struct
[23:18] CloudGroup has joined the channel
[23:18] SubStack: neat
[23:18] onto: SubStack: thank you for the resources! tlack_: I'll see if I can whip up a middleware
[23:18] benvie: I was thinking about it cause of
[23:18] benvie: dnode
[23:19] tlack_: benvie: does it do functions? 
[23:19] cipher__: http://pastie.org/private/sfpthpb8ad88a2lrcoihdq  ... is there any reason why this would not print the string returned by readFile?
[23:19] benvie: no just a hack I made on top of binary data tool
[23:19] benvie: it's closer to like binary json I guess
[23:19] benvie: but I made a proxy lib that wraps the structs
[23:19] benvie: and exposes them like normal js objects
[23:19] benvie: so you could be working entirely on a buffer too
[23:20] benvie: your entire js context directly mapping to a buffer
[23:20] Mcilvena has joined the channel
[23:20] Aiden has joined the channel
[23:21] jocafa: we use protocol buffers here
[23:21] benvie: and even completely in secret too if you wanted
[23:21] benvie: cause you can wrap the objects too look like normal oens
[23:21] SubStack: benvie: you could use https://github.com/substack/node-archy to pretty print that output
[23:21] onto: Correct me if I'm wrong but express (is a router?) is built on top of connect (http server framework?) so I need to write a middleware for connect?
[23:21] SubStack: what with the nested elements
[23:21] SubStack: npm-style
[23:21] torvalamo: you know in movies when the main character sort of goes into a trance and hears everything louder and louder and repeated until it becomes almost unbearable and then he snaps out of it and yells "I HATE <insert whatever he's mad about>!!!" ? That's how I feel when people talk about libraries. Fuck libraries. Just make something that actually has value. The end.
[23:21] benvie: yeah I need to revisit the formatting with this kind of struct hah
[23:22] benvie: actually it looks really cool in the repl
[23:22] benvie: I have it set up to use colors in the repl to signify types
[23:22] SubStack: onto: you don't need to write middlewares necessarily
[23:22] SubStack: you can just use programming
[23:22] jocafa: 
ACTION writes a library for writing libraries for torvalamo

[23:22] jocafa: ¬¬
[23:22] iaingrant: torvalamo: libraries have value, or at least did have
[23:22] bEEEviz has joined the channel
[23:22] benvie: yeah I've been sort of thinking a different angle recently
[23:23] iaingrant: oh, maybe the wrong kind of library I'm thinking
[23:23] onto: SubStack: ?
[23:23] benvie: which is instead of say learning how to integrate a library
[23:23] timoxley: torvalamo are modules = libraries ?
[23:23] benvie: figure out how to make a library transparently integrate with stuff already in place
[23:23] iaingrant: I'm thinking the physical type.... heh
[23:23] iaingrant: borrow books etc
[23:23] iaingrant: oh crap
[23:23] qbert_: cipher__, yeah, youre using an asynch function, and not waiting for it to return, use readFileSync
[23:24] torvalamo: some people write libraries because they don't actually have an idea, they just wanna makes something with something... stop doing that... go take a walk instead and come back with an idea.
[23:24] tylerstalder has joined the channel
[23:24] torvalamo: now say three hail ryan's on your way out
[23:25] thetony: torvalamo: you have any ideas for my joint workflow project? ;)
[23:25] thetony: http://datazoo.info/workflow/#
[23:25] torvalamo: what is it
[23:25] SubStack: torvalamo: hey I do that
[23:25] thetony: i'm making a visio like browser app that will let people create and modify workflows with one another
[23:25] SubStack: actually I write libraries because I am bad at writing applications
[23:25] SubStack: libraries are much easier
[23:25] qbert_: SubStack++
[23:25] benvie: yeah same
[23:26] torvalamo: thetony, so it's like a shared blackboard thing
[23:26] SubStack: and you can just plug them into your application and it'll be like 3 lines
[23:26] qbert_: thetony, that looks dangerously like the app im building
[23:26] benvie: a library is like putting together the legos in the right order
[23:26] benvie: it's fun
[23:26] thetony: torvalamo: yea, i plan on having workspaces for folks.  i need it to model customer's data warehouses is how i started out but it's turned a lot more demand than i thought
[23:26] thetony: qbert_: what are you writing?  we can co-op
[23:27] torvalamo: a library is like making the drawing for the lego things. why don't you just make the lego thing instead.
[23:27] qbert_: thetony,  a form designer + workflow app, fill out a new hire form, it goes through approval,  SVN access gets created, ldap setup, payroll emailed, shit like that, except all automated
[23:28] thetony: qbert_: ahh i was going to make mine pluggable into other apps as well - mostly the data warehouse i'm writing in node
[23:28] torvalamo: question #1: am I solving a problem? wrong answer: no I'm just bored. right answer: yes, this app solves x problem. this library is a subsection of x problem.
[23:28] qbert_: yeah shoot me an email, IM ing you
[23:29] qbert_: if anyones bored, feel free to write some jagpdf bindings for node :P
[23:29] torvalamo: isn't pdf dead soon?
[23:29] jaxzin has joined the channel
[23:30] torvalamo: or was that the other one
[23:30] gavin_huang has joined the channel
[23:30] kriskowal has joined the channel
[23:30] thinkt4nk has joined the channel
[23:30] jocafa: everything is dead soon.  *puts finger over big red button*
[23:31] torvalamo: you forgot the evil laugh
[23:31] jocafa: MUHAHAHAA
[23:31] torvalamo: there we go.
[23:31] jocafa: woot.
[23:31] patcito has joined the channel
[23:31] qbert_: that feels better.
[23:31] tilgovi_ has joined the channel
[23:31] cipher__: qhert_ i am nesting a function though into readFile? 
[23:35] Wizek has joined the channel
[23:37] argami has joined the channel
[23:38] qbert_: cipher__, yes but your console.log() is executing before you're setting the data
[23:38] cm has joined the channel
[23:38] onto: tlack_: How would I add named-reference support without modifying the source (of express)?
[23:38] warz: tbranyen: is your `bbb` project on github working? based on the readme, it's supposed to download and setup a fresh backbone boilerplate, correct?
[23:38] crescendo|work has joined the channel
[23:38] crescendo|work has joined the channel
[23:38] qbert_: cipher__, you can either pass in a function, use cascading functions , you readSync would be easiest
[23:39] Wizek_ has joined the channel
[23:39] cipher__: qbert_, thanks.
[23:39] killfill_: anyone uses roco?.. looks nice.. :P
[23:39] disappea_: Hey is it possible to clear timeout but preserver the function? I want to set a different time out for a specific timeout handler
[23:40] qbert_: disappea_, clearInterval() ?
[23:40] qbert_: oh preserve the function
[23:41] disappea_: so I have setTimeout(foo, 30000); now I want to setTimeout(foo, 5000);
[23:41] ljharb: disappea_: if you can keep a reference to the timeout, you can keep one to the function
[23:41] rlidwka_: just save foo to a different variable :)
[23:41] thetony: qbert_: you may need to check your spam
[23:42] disappea_: ah that's a doable "hack" 
[23:42] disappea_: would prefer a cleaner soliution but w/e
[23:42] ljharb: it's not a hack, it's the way to do it
[23:42] diogogmt has joined the channel
[23:42] Mcilvena has left the channel
[23:42] argami has joined the channel
[23:43] rlidwka: i see no difference between TimeoutRef and {func:foo, ref:TimeoutRef}
[23:43] Mcilvena has joined the channel
[23:43] thetony: rlidwka: as long as the function foo isn't changing
[23:44] onto has left the channel
[23:44] spion has joined the channel
[23:44] ljharb: thetony: the one set in the timeout can't be changed, so therefore, the function referenced by "foo" wouldn't change
[23:44] rlidwka: how you can change it?
[23:44] JmZ_ has joined the channel
[23:45] thetony: ljharb: it can, setTimeout("foo()",500) isn't the same as setTimeout(foo,500) ?
[23:45] ljharb: thetony: your first example sets it to the return value of foo. so do var bar = foo(); setTimeout(bar, 500); etc
[23:45] thetony: it can also change if something on the form is changing
[23:45] ljharb: any time you rely on the result returned from a function, you should be caching that result
[23:45] perezd has joined the channel
[23:46] ljharb: and in that case, the function should remain the same, but should be able to handle the dynamic circumstances.
[23:46] thetony: yes but the point is that it can change - i guess in your app you would know that already and can account for it
[23:46] bEEEviz has joined the channel
[23:46] thetony: like ljharb points out 
[23:46] shinuza has joined the channel
[23:47] rlidwka: setTimeout("foo()",500) should really be syntax error -_-
[23:47] CloudGroup has joined the channel
[23:48] rlidwka: there is no good thing you can do with that...
[23:50] thetony: in quotes, it works fine
[23:50] clifton has joined the channel
[23:51] qbert_: Wonder what this AT&T Network API is about, http://developer.att.com/developer/forward.jsp?passedItemId=10500571 ... I saw them at the secnha touch conference but I thought they were just advertising
[23:51] chjj: rlidwka: there was a big argument over whether that "feature" should be included in node a while back
[23:51] chjj: rlidwka: it ended with the decision that node should stay as similar to the browser as possible
[23:53] chjj: rlidwka: or maybe it was changed? cant remember
[23:53] Mcilvena has left the channel
[23:53] TooTallNate has joined the channel
[23:55] cipher__: qbert_, i realize this is not real node.js, but is this the idea? http://pastie.org/3675025
[23:55] rlidwka: hm... setTimeout("console.log(123);", 123) doesnt work though
[23:56] steveo_ has joined the channel
[23:56] rlidwka: throws an error
[23:57] jesusabdullah: Are there any cases where something like that would work? o__o
[23:57] francisl has joined the channel
[23:57] thetony: rlidwka: it's flooding my browser - i'm not in node mode right now so i'm arguing generally.  i should have prefaced that ;)
[23:57] jesusabdullah: I get, "is not a function"
[23:57] jesusabdullah: in node at least
[23:58] Spion has joined the channel
[23:59] thetony: there is a use case here: http://datazoo.info/workflow/anon.htm
[23:59] thetony: it is in the browser, of course
[23:59] rlidwka: jesusabdullah: if 1st arg is a string, browsers usually eval it. That's old and obsolete behaviour they going to support for a looong time...