[00:00] TheDahv: *other than looking at logs
[00:00] TheDahv: Like...are there specifics about a server environment that would cause socket.io to fail
[00:00] TheDahv: aaaactually, there's a socket.io channel, isn't there
[00:00] Andy1991: Different version of node and server configured to give 500 code on script error?
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[00:00] Andy1991: That happens with works server / php
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[00:01] Andy1991: makes debugging a nightmare
[00:01] TheDahv: Maybe. It has been a couple months actually since I looked at the problem
[00:01] TheDahv: I should probably reproduce it and explore it more before I start yakking on IRC
[00:01] Andy1991: lol, I should follow by your example
[00:02] TheDahv: ;)
[00:02] TheDahv: Sometimes the mental exercise of asking the question out loud helps you solve the problem
[00:02] TheDahv: You think about it differently when you have to figure out how to tell somebody else
[00:02] mehale: is it safe and robust to rely on node.js + node-static to serve streams to hundreds of clients?
[00:03] TheDahv: yes, but you need to use protection
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[00:04] thetony: protection is for wimps
[00:04] TheDahv: mehale: I don't really get your question
[00:04] Andy1991: a condom?
[00:04] TheDahv: I'm going to venture a guess and say yes
[00:05] benvie: this whole article seems awesome to me http://jeditoolkit.com/2012/03/21/protocol-based-polymorphism.html
[00:05] benvie: and I think I want to use it
[00:05] mehale: robust so it wont explode, melt. etc
[00:05] CIA-19: node: 03ssuda 07master * r249c3c1 10/ (12 files): 
[00:05] CIA-19: node: Avoiding unnecessary ToString() calls
[00:05] CIA-19: node: String::Utf8Value and String::AsciiValue constructors take Handle<Value>
[00:05] CIA-19: node: So no need to convert to Handle<String> - http://git.io/a_cvJg
[00:05] TheDahv: I think it depends on how you handle errors in your program
[00:05] TheDahv: Uncaught errors will cause it to fail
[00:05] mehale: ok
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[00:06] TheDahv: Just handle your errors in whatever way you need to and write a robust program
[00:06] TheDahv: I mean...how would you do it with a different framework?
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[00:08] tlack: mehale: just curious, any reason you're avoiding proxying your app behind something strong at static files like nginx?
[00:08] mehale: TheDahv: I am  doing it in php+nginx serving files.... but... I have no stream, I just make a meta-dumb-stream doing postgres selects over and over
[00:08] mehale: tlack: I am wanting to serve only json stream with node.js
[00:09] Andy1991: woo hoo
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[00:09] Andy1991: GOt my fake tracking unit emulator working
[00:09] Andy1991: thanks for all the help
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[00:12] mehale: how do I pass arguments for sockets.io to make mongodb filtering later on? 
[00:13] TheDahv: You mean, like on the connection?
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[00:13] Andy1991: Yeah, plus I got alot of help hear earlier
[00:14] Andy1991: here*
[00:14] mehale: yes, can I send it as url part? http://host/?filter_a=1&filter_b=2 
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[00:15] TheDahv: You can send it as json data when you connect
[00:15] mehale: hmmm
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[00:15] mehale: If I have many clients asking for the same filter, would some sort of cachign happen?
[00:15] mehale: caching
[00:16] TheDahv: I think you'd want to write that into your application
[00:16] mehale: wondering if there maybe something ready made that could fill my needs....
[00:16] TheDahv: socket.io just helps you send messages over sockets
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[00:17] mehale: I basically need to serve streams of mongodb data :)
[00:18] TheDahv: so write some code that pumps streams into a socket with socket io
[00:18] mehale: I have that code I pasted, which already does this... now I need to implement client filtering
[00:19] TheDahv: what code
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[00:19] mehale: http://sett.ociweb.com/sett/settMar2012.html
[00:19] TheDahv: oh yeah. I remember that link
[00:20] TheDahv: The way it is styled...it amakes me not want to read it.
[00:20] mehale: hi
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[00:21] samuelgoodwin: hey guys
[00:21] TheDahv: socket.on('connect', (data) -> mongodb.query(data).on('data', (db_data) -> socket.write(db_data)))
[00:21] TheDahv: Something like that
[00:21] samuelgoodwin: what do you guys use for your client-side stuff? ember.js?
[00:21] tlack: samuelgoodwin: i really really like agility.js. the rest of them are too declarative
[00:21] TheDahv: I still write html templates
[00:22] tlack: TheDahv: i usually start that way and then begin hating life when my js code winds up being 500 lines of addClass/removeClass juggling
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[00:23] TheDahv: Hmm. Maybe I'm not creating interfaces that are complicated enough
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[00:23] tlack: it really depends on the project of course. agility automatically syncs to an ajax data store too which is great (assuming you are ok with their conventions)
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[00:27] TheDahv: I've kind of wanted to try more of the client-side UI stuff
[00:28] TheDahv: I haven't really done a node web app project in a while
[00:28] Andy1991: Off to bed now, night
[00:28] qbert_: benvie, can you sum it up ?  I dont think I get it
[00:28] TheDahv: My current node project is just a command line tool
[00:29] tlack: its a slow process to switch your mindset over to an API + client-side JS framework but intellectually rewarding
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[00:29] TheDahv: Sure. If you write enough AJAX, you're forced to think that way anyway
[00:30] TheDahv: Done for the day
[00:30] TheDahv: bye
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[00:36] thetony: later
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[00:39] isaacs: test, please: http://nodejs.org/dist/v0.6.14/node-v0.6.14-RC0.tar.gz
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[00:46] ted_: hey guys, is there any way for an average joe like me to access NYSE market data near instantaneously? No 15 minute delayed quotes by Google, but real-time data?
[00:47] alpaca: lol?
[00:47] ted_: it was worth a try
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[00:48] tlack: ted_ i think what you are looking for is 'tick data' - try googling around that
[00:48] thetony: ted_: yahoo does it for free
[00:49] thetony: look for yahoo stock csv
[00:49] thetony: you can get bid/ask splits etc for as fast as you want to poll, i think you're limited to 200k hits per day or something ridiculous
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[00:50] xvacantx: anyone here node and imagemagick?
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[00:52] ted_: thetony: the thing is yahoo's data is delayed from the real time by at least 15 minutes. If I wanted near instantaneous data, similar to what hedge funds use, there is no resource for an average dude, is there?
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[00:53] tlack: ted_: here's some data about what is and isnt delayed http://stackoverflow.com/questions/281263/where-can-i-get-free-real-time-stock-data
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[00:55] bnoordhuis: ted_: i used to work for a HFT. all the good feeds are a) expensive and b) massive
[00:56] ted_: expensive as in millions? thousands? billions?
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[00:56] bnoordhuis: i think the cheapest ones start at a couple of thousand a month
[00:56] bnoordhuis: that's for real-time market feeds though
[00:57] bnoordhuis: if you just need a stock ticker, there are free ones
[00:57] ted_: what offered this, NYSE? what's the service called?
[00:57] bnoordhuis: oh, i don't know about NYSE. the company i worked for only operated on european markets
[00:58] ted_: why'd you leave the HFT field?
[00:58] thetony: it's gong to depend on what data you want too 
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[00:58] Marak: anyone know what causes util.puts to shit out like this?
[00:58] Marak:               ^ TypeError: Bad argument     at [object Object].<anonymous> (fs.js:307:11)     at [object Object].flush (fs.js:1312:10)     at [object Object].write (fs.js:1340:8)     at Object.puts (util.js:66:20) 
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[00:58] bnoordhuis: ted_: all the interesting stuff was done after a while
[00:58] bnoordhuis: so it became time to move on
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[01:00] bnoordhuis: Marak: what version of node is that?
[01:01] Marak: bnoordhuis: v0.6.12
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[01:03] bnoordhuis: Marak: okay, then technically that can't happen :)
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[01:04] Marak: bnoordhuis: I have a high capacity for breaking things.
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[01:05] Marak: i'd rather not dive into a rabbit hole to make console.log work again. reinstall node? not sure what to do
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[01:05] jamesd_: 
ACTION enjoys breaking computers from the inside out ;-) 

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[01:06] chovy: is there a book out there that covers using express and mongoose/mongodb etc?
[01:06] TooTallNate: Marak: what's wrong with console.log()?
[01:06] Marak:               ^ TypeError: Bad argument     at [object Object].<anonymous> (fs.js:307:11)     at [object Object].flush (fs.js:1312:10)     at [object Object].write (fs.js:1340:8)     at Object.puts (util.js:66:20) 
[01:06] Marak: TooTallNate: ^^^
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[01:06] Marak: util.puts / console.log
[01:06] TooTallNate: oh ok, thought it was something different
[01:06] Marak: i have no idea
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[01:07] TooTallNate: Marak: do you know what you're calling that with?
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[01:08] Marak: TooTallNate: you mean the data? like, strings?
[01:08] Marak: its being thrown from the core of our logging library
[01:08] Marak: i think it might have to do with child procs doing output? i'm not sure. i'm running the hook.io test suite
[01:09] qbert_: ted_, no, there's not
[01:09] Marak: and im getting these crazy errors unless i comment out certain util.puts / console.log
[01:09] Marak: then, it works fine
[01:09] Marak: i'm gonna nuke node and rebuild it from the tag
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[01:09] qbert_: ted_ was government by the way
[01:10] bnoordhuis: Marak: i kind of know what's causing it, just not sure of the why
[01:10] bnoordhuis: Marak: you're printing to stdout when it's closed
[01:10] Marak: bnoordhuis: yeah, thats possible
[01:11] TooTallNate: bnoordhuis: how do you close stdout these days?
[01:11] TooTallNate: fs.closeSync(1)?
[01:11] bnoordhuis: TooTallNate: i don't
[01:11] TooTallNate: bnoordhuis: not you; a node user. since process.stdout.end() now throws
[01:11] TooTallNate: so does process.stdout.destroy()
[01:11] bnoordhuis: yes
[01:12] bnoordhuis: but it's possible to do it manually
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[01:12] killfill: hi
[01:12] killfill: anyones uses amqp?...
[01:12] bnoordhuis: TooTallNate: by which i mean call process.stdout.close()
[01:13] TooTallNate: bnoordhuis: there is no process.stdout.close() but i get what you mean
[01:13] killfill: its there an event somewhere that tells you after exchange.publish() when the message has been sent?
[01:13] killfill: cannot find it.. :S
[01:13] qbert_: funny story, FBI showed up at my house one time, they were dressed like mormons, I told them to fuck off and slammed the door in there face ( I was very hungover).  They kept banging on the door and I called to verify they were legit and let them in.  I was selling legitimate background checks online, but apparently there were words you cant use to describe FBI Database
[01:13] qbert_: their*
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[01:13] TooTallNate: > fs.closeSync(1)
[01:13] TooTallNate: events.js:48
[01:13] TooTallNate:         throw arguments[1]; // Unhandled 'error' event
[01:13] TooTallNate:         ^
[01:13] TooTallNate: Error: write EBADF
[01:13] TooTallNate:     at errnoException (net.js:646:11)
[01:13] TooTallNate:     at Object.afterWrite [as oncomplete] (net.js:480:18)
[01:14] TooTallNate: but that's a net error, since it was in the repl. so i bet bnoordhuis is right
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[01:14] Brandon_R: Hey guys
[01:14] Brandon_R: is engine.io finished?
[01:15] Brandon_R: i noticed not much has been happening on that front
[01:15] TooTallNate: rauchg: ^?
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[01:16] rauchg: Brandon_R pretty much 
[01:16] rauchg: need to finish a suite of reusable browser tests
[01:16] rauchg: but it's looking pretty solid
[01:16] Brandon_R: cool
[01:16] Brandon_R: can't wait to start using it
[01:16] rauchg: =]
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[01:19] arnorhs: engine.io ?
[01:20] Brandon_R: it's a lower level socket.io
[01:20] arnorhs: ahh ok
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[01:21] ag4ve: 
ACTION wonders if activestate actually makes their lead developers send out marketing....

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[01:25] tlack: is dust the only "streaming" (asynchronous) template library for node? i.e., i want my layout to be sent to the browser while im still calculating the database results i'll be showing (within reason)
[01:25] Brandon_R: probably
[01:26] tlack: seems like a big/obvious problem but i cant find much about it on google
[01:26] Brandon_R: holy sh
[01:26] Brandon_R: dust looks awesome
[01:26] Brandon_R: it's like spdy but in js
[01:26] tlack: check out its 'chunking' behavior.. pretty mind blowing
[01:27] Brandon_R: i think facebook does this
[01:27] Brandon_R: dust.js is relevant to my interests
[01:28] chovy: is it possible to open firefox and take a screenshot with node.js?
[01:29] Brandon_R: do you mean as a server or running on the same machine
[01:29] Brandon_R: with a native module it's probably possible on the same machine
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[01:31] tlack: isnt it possible to supply js to execute on the firefox command line? it used to be. if so, you could probably do it with one of the screenshot addons you can install
[01:31] chovy: tlack: i see.
[01:32] Brandon_R: tlack: do you have any benchmarks for dust.js?
[01:33] Brandon_R: compared to thinks like jade and ejs etc?
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[01:33] tlack: Brandon_R: no, i was just looking for some. even if its technically slower it may appear much faster to the browser (i.e., send 5kb header and wait 200ms for mysql, rather than front load the 200ms wait to the accept())
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[01:34] Brandon_R: true
[01:34] Brandon_R: fake speed is a real thing in website design :P
[01:34] Brandon_R: i shouldn't say fake, perceived speed :)
[01:35] tlack: it really is. im doing some interesting work now where im using a shit-ton of precaching and it makes a huge difference (even if its laborious and dumb)
[01:35] tlack: it remains to be seen if our conversion rate will benefit but it feels like a much better experience
[01:37] Brandon_R: cool
[01:37] payara: hi
[01:37] Brandon_R: do you have an online link i can see the stuff in action?
[01:38] payara: have a couple of questions about TLS and cleartextstreams that I hope someone can help me with
[01:38] payara: 1. would like to know which cipher was selected by the TLS negotiation for a connection
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[01:39] payara: 2. wonder why the secureConnect event doesn't seem to get raised by a cleartextstream on windows
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[01:39] payara: 3. wonder how to detect when writing to a cleartextstream won't go to the wire immediately - always returns true and the drain event never seems to fire (again on windows)
[01:40] payara: anyone have any insights/suggestions how I might approach these?
[01:40] tlack: its very raw you wouldnt get too excited. basically we do hotel bookings so we are precaching availability data for the next 60 days for the top 50 markets in the world and then storing the output of our templates as html on s3 and serving with cloudfront. renders in ~200ms rather than 3-4 seconds like most travel sites (excluding images) and requires no processing power on the client
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[01:41] tlack: then as you move your mouse around the page we fetch detailed data about each hotel (excluded from the initial download) and provide more info, etc.. its all trickery really. but it 'feels' much better than those slow boring hotels.com booking forms
[01:42] payara: re 2. secureConnection event does fire on the server but the documented secureConnect doesn't seem to fire on the stream
[01:42] Brandon_R: sounds fun
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[01:43] deoxxa: tlack: ooh ooh
[01:43] deoxxa: tlack: my templating library (nearly) does streaming
[01:43] tlack: deoxxa: which one is yours? link me dawg
[01:43] deoxxa: https://github.com/deoxxa/node-ginger
[01:43] payara: re 3. I'm thinking this may be because this is a cleartextstream on top of the real stream and that I need to somehow get access to that one's events (though I don't know if i would then be able to infer which write it was draining)
[01:43] deoxxa: it's literally the next feature i'm working on
[01:43] deoxxa: and most of the work is in place to do it already, i just haven't hooked up the whole eventemitter thing
[01:44] tlack: yeah i think you'd have to trigger an event as data is available via a callback on the function that's called from the template, then collect them all and send as available.. or something? makes my brain hurt a bit
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[01:45] deoxxa: it's not that hard if you don't take into account template inheritence
[01:45] deoxxa: but with that in the mix, it gets a little hairy
[01:45] tlack: i like your template syntax better than dust's thats a good start
[01:45] Brandon_R: does it do css streaming?
[01:46] deoxxa: Brandon_R: if you choose to write css in it, sure
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[01:46] deoxxa: it's not tied to HTML
[01:46] Brandon_R: coooooooooooooooooooooool
[01:46] deoxxa: (or anything for that matter)
[01:46] Brandon_R: i love node.js realtime
[01:46] deoxxa: though streaming CSS sounds odd
[01:46] Brandon_R: it seems server intensive though
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[01:47] deoxxa: tlack: i've been focussed very much on running the templates in the browser - but i take it that's not what you're after?
[01:47] deoxxa: focused? focussed? that word is annoying
[01:47] Brandon_R: does running templates in the browser like backbone.js lag much?
[01:47] tlack: deoxxa: random thought, i wonder if you could shorten the .create_child() syntax into one call (i.e., if the ctx[key] is a function, run it - no add_function required)
[01:47] Brandon_R: i've never really tried it
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[01:48] tlack: Brandon_R: for a small amount of data on decent hardware its unnoticable. i'd hate to use it to render 10k items in a list though
[01:48] deoxxa: ^^ this
[01:48] deoxxa: tlack: there's definitely room for optimisation, it's all very brute force at the moment
[01:49] tlack: deoxxa: and i'd like to use the Perfect Template System on both client and server, but maybe not for this project (my js is super bare cuz 10% of our purchases are mobile so i want that to be very fast)
[01:49] deoxxa: heh
[01:49] deoxxa: i have a thing set up in express where i do this:
[01:49] ningu: I'm a bit disinclined to use something called the Perfect Template System just based on the name.
[01:49] deoxxa: res.send_response("pages/dashboard/index.html", {user: {name: "herp", lol: "wut"}})
[01:50] tlack: ningu: it started as a fork of Almost Perfect Kickass Template.JS
[01:50] ningu: tlack: link?
[01:50] deoxxa: depending on whether it's an AJAX or regular request, it'll send either JSON or HTML
[01:50] deoxxa: without me having to care about it
[01:50] tlack: ningu: im kidding, i was talking abstractly about whatever ideal system comes out - not one in particular
[01:50] deoxxa: 
ACTION loves it

[01:50] ningu: tlack: ok, not sure, I just showed up :)
[01:50] tlack: deoxxa: thats kind of a brilliant idea
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[01:51] ningu: deoxxa: is there a template, or what?
[01:51] tlack: ningu: feel free to use that name for YOUR template system though. i think everyone has their pet template project now
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[01:51] ningu: deoxxa: and how does the server know if it's ajax or a regular request?
[01:51] deoxxa: req.isXMLHttpRequest in express
[01:51] ningu: ahh
[01:51] ningu: didn't realize you could do that
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[01:53] deoxxa: https://gist.github.com/2166139 << that does the send_response thing
[01:53] ningu: tlack: I just use jade, it does what I need and doesn't get in the way
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[01:53] deoxxa: ningu: how do you do non-html templates in jade?
[01:54] deoxxa: (that's a major requirement for me)
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[01:54] ningu: I don't have any -- but if I want to output json, I wouldn't do that with a template anyway
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[01:54] ningu: deoxxa: what format are your non-html templates in?
[01:54] deoxxa: i use templates to generate a bunch of things - emails, markdown, config files
[01:54] ningu: I see
[01:54] deoxxa: so mostly plain text
[01:55] ningu: yeah, jade isn't ideal for that, clearly
[01:55] ningu: in perl I used to use template toolkit, which could do stuff like that too, but I assume something like ejs might work
[01:55] ningu: I haven't thought about it much in js yet
[01:55] deoxxa: mmm
[01:55] tlack: deoxxa: you should make ginger know how to (optionally) render 'placeholders' in the template and then do an ajax call to fill them :-o
[01:56] tlack: deoxxa: derby does that but derby seems like the workings of a madman
[01:56] deoxxa: tlack: you could do that with client-side javascript pretty easily
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[01:56] tlack: deoxxa: yeah but i dont wanna :)
[01:56] ome: any OPS ?
[01:56] ome: op
[01:56] tlack: deoxxa: imagine what a weird feature that would be for the template itself to possess? 
[01:56] deoxxa: <div class="fetch-me-with-ajax" data-partial-url="/some/partial/url"></div>
[01:57] ome: why isn't #nodejs redirected to here instead of sending a message ?
[01:57] Marak: TooTallNate: i've confirmed that same issue on travis-ci too
[01:57] Marak: TooTallNate: what should i do to fix that? the writing to STDOUT causing bad argument?
[01:57] deoxxa: tlack: i kind of want to keep ginger out of the loop as far as the content goes
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[01:58] Marak: node.js:201 286        throw e; // process.nextTick error, or 'error' event on first tick 287              ^ 288TypeError: Bad argument 289    at [object Object].<anonymous> (fs.js:307:11) 290    at [object Object].flush (fs.js:1312:10) 291    at [object Object].write (fs.js:1340:8) 292    at Object.puts (util.js:66:20) 293    at [object Object].log (/home/vagrant/builds/hookio/hook.io/node_modules/winston/lib/winston/transports/conso
[01:58] Marak: >.<
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[02:03] wdbl: anyone use Node.js with sql server? what's the best driver? node-tds or tedious?
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[02:07] m0: Hello, I am getting Cannot find module 'b64url', from Windows, http://pastebin.com/0G5gKffz when running node, but when I deploy it to heroku it works fine.
[02:07] m0: Any ideas?/
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[02:08] tlack: m0: is it in node_modules? whats your require() line?
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[02:10] m0: node_modules/faceplate has "b64url": "1.0.3", in dependencies. It is pulling in faceplte but not b64url
[02:11] m0: Must have been a hickup then. I ran npm update and it worked again. 
[02:11] m0: It downloaded faceplates dependencies, weird, must be a hickup.
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[02:13] disappearedng: What's the best way to log to a file 
[02:13] disappearedng: all the console.log 
[02:13] totallymike: node yourfile.js > output.log
[02:13] disappearedng: Lol really? that simple? 
[02:13] disappearedng: well I will use tee for a starter 
[02:13] totallymike: good enough
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[02:31] kvda: Hey which jslint is best to use on node?
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[02:35] konobi: kvda: whichever one suits you best
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[02:35] kvda: is there a semi-official version though?
[02:35] konobi: nope... it's very much personal/team taste
[02:36] kvda: hmm, so what are some of the major ones?
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[02:51] domo1: hey everyone.. need some advice on building some functionality.
[02:52] yaymukund: domo1: D.A.T.A. (don't ask to ask, just ask)
[02:52] domo1: to keep things simple, im looking to make 3 concurrent http requests and then set a timer of 1 second. once that timer finishes, I want to use the requests that were completed and ignore the others. what would be the best way to do this?
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[02:53] maxogden: also DATA: Brent Spiner character on Star Trek: TNG
[02:53] yaymukund: DATA is also the singular form of datum
[02:53] Ond: You mean plural
[02:53] yaymukund: tomato tomato
[02:53] maxogden: potato wisconsin
[02:53] maxogden: wait what
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[02:55] maxogden: domo1: var now = new Date(). someRequest(function() { now - new Date() > 1000 ? doStuff() : dontDoStuff() })
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[02:55] arlink: i have a script running in my terminal. where can i find a simple blog example telling me how to get its data to the web with socket.io?
[02:55] domo1: maxogden: oh I guess that would work lol.. just check the timer on each responses end event?
[02:55] AvianFlu: you could also set timeouts on the requests themselves, and then just wait for all the callbacks to get fired
[02:55] domo1: or data event
[02:55] maxogden: domo1: ya pretty much
[02:55] domo1: i like that
[02:55] tlack: domo1: to expand on what max said, collect responses in an array, after the timer goes off use the data from the array
[02:56] domo1: yeah well id rather stop the request
[02:56] AvianFlu: both core's http.request and the request lib let you put timeouts on requests that abort them, I believe
[02:56] AvianFlu: probably a good idea in either case
[02:57] domo1: that's true, ill look into that
[02:57] yaymukund: I would just put a timeout and collect the calls using a regular async library, if you can swing that.
[02:58] arlink: why would i use an express server over a node http server?
[02:58] domo1: thanks everyone
[02:58] Ricket: arlink: well, look at express and decide if you want those features
[02:59] Ond: Express builds upon the node HTTP server, arlink
[02:59] yaymukund: arlink: http://expressjs.com/guide.html everything below "HTTP Server" is mostly not in the node http server.
[03:00] arlink: ok
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[03:04] Brandon_R: hola amigos
[03:04] Ond: Gretlins
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[03:07] Brandon_R: working on anything awesome ond?
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[03:09] Ond: Yeah Brandon_R. Classified though.
[03:09] Ond: How about you?
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[03:09] Brandon_R: working on something. wouldn't call it awesome :(
[03:09] Ond: Is it at least fun?
[03:09] Brandon_R: just a realtime website. but in node that's the hello world :(
[03:09] Ond: bodisiw, there you are
[03:10] Brandon_R: node has high standards 
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[03:10] Ond: Ah, sure, Brandon_R. Make an IRC client or something, as a first project.
[03:10] Ond: You know, a web-based IRC client.
[03:10] Brandon_R: i think a good node.js project would be a facebook clone
[03:11] Ricket: node.js + socket.io = anything's possible
[03:11] Brandon_R: just to get to know it
[03:11] Ond: Perhaps
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[03:12] Ond: DNode is pretty cool too. Have you used it yet?
[03:12] seebees: Does anyone have any idea how to get ahold of the process object in C++?
[03:12] Ond: I haven't used it in a long time because back when Opera hadn't supported Object.keys, DNode would break.
[03:12] Ond: Nowadays it probably works fine.
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[03:36] Brandon_R: hi
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[03:40] sanitypassing: is it possible to access the socket of a http server?
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[03:40] Marak: sanitypassing: i think you can create a tcp server, and use http parsers yourself?
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[03:41] Marak: maybe its easier then that
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[03:41] sanitypassing: probably
[03:41] KwameBoy: Is node.js as a platform a good candidate for implementing a Jabber server?
[03:41] sanitypassing: how would I accces the parsers?
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[03:49] Brandon_R: process_binding
[03:49] Brandon_R: look at how http.js does it
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[04:02] seebees: does anyone know how to get the pid of the node process in a C++ addon?
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[04:03] Brandon_R: hold on
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[04:05] AvianFlu: seebees, use whatever the syscall is for that, getpid() maybe?
[04:05] Brandon_R: https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/src/process_wrap.cc#L184
[04:05] AvianFlu: Brandon_R, that's for child processes
[04:05] Brandon_R: oh
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[04:05] AvianFlu: node.cc and node.js are where the node process object stuff is
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[04:06] seebees: AvianFlu: yes, but what I actually want is to set a value on the process object
[04:06] AvianFlu: node.cc
[04:07] AvianFlu: have a look around
[04:07] yaymukund: I'd like to synchronously start redis and then do something. what would be the best way of doing this?
[04:07] AvianFlu: caution: big file
[04:07] AvianFlu: the process object exists primarily in src/node.js
[04:07] AvianFlu: that's the better place to start
[04:07] seebees: yes, but that is on the JS side
[04:08] AvianFlu: right, I'm saying follow things down
[04:08] AvianFlu: but src/node.cc is the c++ side of that
[04:08] Brandon_R: check out how the node.js does it and backtrace it into node.cc
[04:08] seebees: I opened your link but all I see is node:: :(
[04:08] Brandon_R: i don't think this is documented so might have to do some digging
[04:08] seebees: that is what I'm finding.
[04:09] Ond: Using node_redis client, yaymukund?
[04:09] yaymukund: Ond: yup
[04:09] Ond: require('redis').createClient().on('ready', function(){})
[04:09] yaymukund: Ond: not after the client's connected, but after the server's up.
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[04:10] Brandon_R: hey guys, any libs to synchronously bootstrap node apps?
[04:10] Ond: client will emit ready a connection is established to the Redis server and the server reports that it is ready to receive commands. 
[04:10] yaymukund: Ond: what if the server's not ready yet?
[04:12] yaymukund: Ond: I want my callback to always fire after the server is ready and not fail, if such a thing is possible. might be less a node problem and more of a systems programming question, hm.
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[04:15] seebees: AvianFlue, Brandon_R THANKS! my stupidity knows no bounds!
[04:15] seebees: I was making this WAY too complicated
[04:15] Brandon_R: did you figure it out?
[04:15] seebees: yup
[04:15] Brandon_R: kool
[04:17] Ond: I guess you could do this if you had to, yaymukund https://gist.github.com/d96368022e9fb098aefb
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[04:33] TheAlphaNerd: good evening
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[04:33] TheAlphaNerd: anyone want to help me fix node-osc
[04:33] TheAlphaNerd: kinda hitting a brick wall with the lower level udp stuff
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[05:28] gjohnson: anyone have tips on improving ssl performance? 
[05:29] gjohnson: I understand the underlying issue with the cpu bound process of the handshake, but any recommendations on making the best of it?
[05:30] maxogden: gjohnson: you have a production node app that is bogged down by ssl handshakes?
[05:32] gjohnson: im about to in about 30 minutes :-)
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[05:34] gjohnson: It "works" fine, but I happened to notice my test-api latency a little higher than I would like, quick google came across this https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/nodejs-dev/ssl$20performance/nodejs-dev/27uutrEQChU/o3CQwlersR8J
[05:35] gjohnson: naive ab test on hello world on http vs https is like 4000 vs 100 on a shotty VM
[05:36] gjohnson: which is has be a bit concerned 
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[05:37] niallo: gjohnson: if you can offload the ssl to something else that would help of course
[05:39] niallo: gjohnson: personally i use node-http-proxy for ssl termination because it supports websockets. you could also look at stud or something like that.
[05:40] maxogden: https://github.com/mikeal/stud-proxy
[05:41] mikeal: maxogden: i emailed these guys http://tacocopter.com/
[05:41] maxogden: mikeal: yeah we need them on board
[05:41] mikeal: i said
[05:41] maxogden: mikeal: if they can give a quadcopter demo 
[05:42] mikeal: "if this is real, we need you to speak. if this is a joke, we DEFINITELY need you to speak"
[05:42] maxogden: mikeal: hehe
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[05:48] jamescarr_: there, just hacked together a nice mongoose-amqp plugin for anyone who might want it :)
[05:49] jamescarr_: https://github.com/jamescarr/mongoose-amqp-plugin
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[05:50] Tobsn: good job
[05:50] Tobsn: neat.
[05:51] jamescarr_: the tests were a fair bit harder than writing the actual code :)
[05:51] Tobsn: yeah i bet
[05:51] Tobsn: i was looking at similar stuff and walked quietly away
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[06:11] benvie: lol wow
[06:11] benvie: that's an awesome service
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[06:35] benvie: tacocopter
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[06:36] sanitypassing: hey, I've got a websocket server I'm experimenting with, but I need to parse the HTTP handshake. What would be the easiet way to do this?
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[06:45] arnorhs: benvie: yeah, heh, that one's pretty sweet
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[06:51] aqad12: lets get this node.js party started!!!
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[06:54] yawNO: morning
[06:54] yawNO: \m/
[06:54] aqad12: where u at dawg
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[06:58] arnorhs: yawNO: morning..
[06:58] arnorhs: in europe?
[06:59] yawNO: italy
[06:59] aqad12: italia baby
[07:00] aqad12: where the women appreciate a man who can program
[07:01] aqad12: or maybe thats sweden
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[07:06] yaymukund: how do you test POST requests that modify your session object?
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[07:23] igl: o.O
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[07:29] domo1: can someone recommend some software that will help me deploy my node js script as a daemon and automatically restart it when/if it crashes
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[07:30] Marak: domo1: https://github.com/nodejitsu/haibu
[07:30] Marak: domo1: thats what i use for that
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[07:33] domo1: Marak: anything else?
[07:34] Marak: domo1: nope
[07:34] domo1: I don't know if I want to launch another server to monitor a server I wrote
[07:34] domo1: and wrap it in code and all that jazz
[07:34] Marak: i guess i should update the readme
[07:35] Marak: you dont understand what you want or what that does
[07:35] Marak: but it will do what you want, robustly 
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[07:36] sigurding: hey, anyone here tried to create chunked uploads with formidable?
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[07:42] yaymukund: domo1: forever does that too.
[07:43] yaymukund: domo1: haibu is nodejitsu's deploy environment, so it's a bit much if *all* you want to do is monitor a process. you could also just use daemon tools
[07:43] domo1: yeah forever is awesome
[07:43] domo1: just installed it
[07:43] domo1: does exactly what I needed
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[07:43] yaymukund: cool
[07:44] domo1: thanks
[07:44] domo1: haibu is cool.. but with the server im running and it's purpose, I really don't think I need everything haibu offers
[07:44] SubStack: domo1: check this out https://github.com/substack/fleet
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[07:45] domo1: SubStack: looks great, but again it seems to require me running another server "hub"
[07:45] SubStack: "another server" what
[07:45] domo1: I'd rather just have a piece of software handle it for me or simply use the system to monitor the process
[07:45] SubStack: the hub can live anywhere
[07:45] SubStack: including on the same server as where the drones live
[07:45] domo1: that's fine, hub, fleet, drone
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[07:47] igl: heibu is basicly like forever but it reads a package.json?
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[07:47] igl: (=
[07:48] yaymukund: igl: I should note that I do not know what haibu is.. haha. it's on my to-do to look into it.
[07:48] domo1: yaymukund: question for you - lets say i wrote a socket server listening on a unix socket and I want to spawn another process to handle more connections/processing.. would I then use one of these solutions?
[07:49] domo1: or is that done/handled within my application?
[07:49] igl: yes
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[07:50] domo1: then something like haibu or sub would be extremely useful
[07:50] igl: well heibu would do the job for you, you just add a app.js
[07:50] igl: and it spawns it
[07:51] domo1: yeah
[07:51] domo1: I understand
[07:51] domo1: awesome
[07:51] dandean: hello! probably a silly question, but how does one pipe the result of readFileSync to a child process, such as pbcopy?
[07:51] yaymukund: domo1: that is my understanding. yes
[07:51] igl: well
[07:51] igl: https://github.com/stagas/dnode-worker
[07:51] igl: uses dnode (tpc), not a socket for ipc
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[07:51] igl: http://learnboost.github.com/cluster/
[07:52] igl: has a cli plugin
[07:52] dandean: mikeal: you around to answer my silly question?/
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[07:53] yaymukund: dandean: child_process.exec('pbcopy', [data]) ... would that work?
[07:53] dandean: yaymukund: I'll try - thank you!
[07:53] yaymukund: (not sure myself, but it's a thought)
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[07:55] SubStack: dandean: don't readFileSync if you're going to pipe
[07:55] dandean: ah, yes. I meant readFile
[07:55] SubStack: don't use readFile
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[07:56] SubStack: just var ps = require('child_process').spawn('beep', [ 'boop' ]); fs.createReadStream(file).pipe(ps.stdin)
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[07:57] domo1: sub loves beepin and boopin
[07:57] SubStack: the (fs.readFile)s buffer things into memory but if you're going to pipe data from one place to another it's more typing and not necessary
[07:58] dandean: SubStack: thanks
[07:58] yaymukund: yes, makes sense.
[07:58] yaymukund: it's like you know this stuff, SubStack 
[07:58] yaymukund: :)
[07:59] staar2: how i get current hdparam value ?
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[08:02] staar2: well after suspend the hdparam is 128 how to change it ?
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[08:03] dandean: SubStack: what would I do to modify the content of the stream before piping it? Such as prepend it with content?
[08:04] SubStack: you can just ps.stdin.write(content) before you call .pipe()
[08:04] dandean: SubStack: ah - excellent. Thanks for the hand holding.
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[08:06] SubStack: adding trailing data is trickier since you'd need to listen for the 'end' event but also possible
[08:07] dandean: Thankfully, all I need to do is prepend data at the moment.
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[08:30] [AD]Turbo: hi there
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[08:42] payara: the fd trick to passing tcp connections to other processes on unix - anyone know if that should also work on windows? 
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[08:49] mattparo: Hi everybody does someone of you guys have working examples/tutorials for websockets&node.js? Most of existing demos are not complete or working anymore.
[08:51] boltR: mattparo: i highly recommend checking out socket.io
[08:51] boltR: http://socket.io/
[08:52] mattparo: on it thanks
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[09:04] payara: anyone else from Japan on here?
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[09:06] yawNO: payara: no, but im learning japanese if that counts lol
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[09:07] payara: cool - any reason? I'm not Japanese by the way, but I have been here (Tokyo) for 15 years now
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[09:08] payara: dono gurai nihongo hanasemasu ka?
[09:09] payara: 漢字も分かりますか？
[09:09] yawNO: haha gosh. im just starting.. what dies dono gurai mean?
[09:09] yawNO: i got the rest :P
[09:09] payara: how much
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[09:09] yawNO: 1 month
[09:10] payara: any reason for choosing Japanese ?
[09:10] yawNO: lol.. i barely know hiragana and katakana
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[09:10] yawNO: i like languages
[09:10] yawNO: and i like japan
[09:10] yawNO: i find its culture fascinating
[09:10] payara: cool - I hated them at school but once I came to live here it was a real eye opener
[09:10] yawNO: where are you from?
[09:11] payara: every interaction (even in 7-11) became a real experience
[09:11] forste: hi, how does node handle concurrency - e.g. two callbacks operating on the same object?
[09:11] payara: Manchester, England originally
[09:11] yawNO: im from venice, italy
[09:11] forste: e.g. consider: http://pastebin.com/thHYfMkB - two callbacks depending on the completion of each other, can I rely that doSomething gets called only once?  
[09:11] forste: found an answer here: http://stackoverflow.com/a/5177773/1052539. Is Matt Ranney right there?
[09:11] mansoor: forste, it doesn't. its all in one event loop. they can't both opeate at the same time
[09:11] yawNO: ^ that
[09:12] yawNO: payara: i've never been to japan but i plan to .. and i like languages so i started on my spare time
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[09:12] payara: yawNO: I've been there and also to Padua (=Padova?) but it was a long time ago
[09:13] yawNO: its damn difficult cause its pretty different from every language i know
[09:13] yawNO: payara: yeah padua is 60km away from where i live
[09:13] forste: mansoor: so (js) callbacks are executed consecutively one after another, right?
[09:14] yawNO: i bought some uni books causr you dont find much about japanese here
[09:14] payara: yawNO: good luck with the studying - if you can make some Japanese friends that will help you the most. This really is a great nation
[09:14] yawNO: :(
[09:14] yawNO: payara: i've got a friend of mine whose mom is from Kyoto
[09:14] payara: yawNO: did you already discover the quick and dirty guide to japanese grammar
[09:14] payara: ?
[09:14] yawNO: no :|
[09:14] yawNO: link?
[09:15] yawNO: i dont mind english books.. they're even better sometimes
[09:15] payara: yawNO: that will cut out a lot of the randomness that is included in the textbooks -- hold on
[09:15] yawNO: thx :D
[09:15] payara: yawNO: http://users.tmok.com/~tumble/qadgtj.html
[09:16] yawNO: nice
[09:16] yawNO: also do you have some resources like podcasts or stuff?
[09:16] yawNO: hearing spoken japanese is way better then reading it
[09:16] yawNO: you get the pronounciatoon
[09:17] yawNO: *tion
[09:17] payara: yawNO: the textbooks tend to focus on the polite form in the beginning and then advancing to the way friends speak but in my opinion after you have a few formal greetings you want to cross the formality wall and move on to more real communication
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[09:18] yawNO: yeah i've filled my mind with formal stuff
[09:18] mansoor: forste, right, they are executed in the order the way scheduled
[09:18] payara: yawNO: I would recommend immersion - listen to Japanese radio - it will be all gobbledygook at first but will really improve your listening speed 
[09:18] yawNO: thats why i was wondering if you knew some good (free??) podcasts :P
[09:18] yawNO: allright.. i'll google it up :D
[09:19] yawNO: im pretty sure i wont understand anything in the beginning though
[09:19] mansoor: forste, if you make two async calls. you have no guarantee which one will be completed first.... thats why if you want guarantee you must place your second async operation in the callback for the first async operation
[09:19] payara: @yawNO: I would imagine that there must be a load of Japanese people in Venice though.
[09:19] mansoor: forste, there is some good literature on the interwebs that can explain it better than I ever could :) 
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[09:20] yawNO: payara: i dont live in venice venice
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[09:20] yawNO: near though
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[09:20] payara: yawNO: doesn't matter - bit by bit you will start to pick out words you have learnt and then also words you haven't learned but are curious about how they fit in. When you can hear a word you don't know and remember enough about it to be able to look it up that is a real progression step
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[09:21] yawNO: nice
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[09:22] yawNO: and should i start with romaji or go straight with hiragana katakana and kanjii?
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[09:23] framlin: forste: yes, there is NO concurrency within the event-loop. all callbacks are executed one after another.  .. so its vital, to have not to much long running code within one callback .. ;)
[09:23] payara: yawNO: I'm quite opinionated about this stuff but not necessarily right :-) I would focus on speaking as that is what kids do - it is pointless to get into kanji and try to remember all the readings (Japanese and Chinese origins) and then the words that they combine into until you have a solid vocabulary
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[09:25] payara: yawNO: so I would use romaji (just to be quick about making notes and looking things up). Katakana you definitely do not need for a while. Hiragana you can learn in a couple of hours if you force yourself, but without regular exposure (ie seeing it around you all the time) it might not stick so well.
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[09:26] yawNO_: woops sey
[09:26] yawNO_: sry
[09:26] yawNO_: internet died
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[09:26] yawNO_: payara: you were sayin?
[09:26] payara: yawNO: I'm quite opinionated about this stuff but not necessarily right :-) I would focus on speaking as that is what kids do - it is pointless to get into kanji and try to remember all the readings (Japanese and Chinese origins) and then the words that they combine into until you have a solid vocabulary
[09:26] payara: yawNO: so I would use romaji (just to be quick about making notes and looking things up). Katakana you definitely do not need for a while. Hiragana you can learn in a couple of hours if you force yourself, but without regular exposure (ie seeing it around you all the time) it might not stick so well.
[09:27] yawNO: i keep learning hiragana and katakana and forgetting them if i dont use them lol
[09:27] payara: If I was learning it all again I would definitely use SRS ( but that is just another opinion :-) )
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[09:27] yawNO: SRS?
[09:27] payara: Spaced Repetition System
[09:28] yawNO: never heard of it
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[09:28] payara: basically your memory decays and has a half-life and the efficient way to convert short term to long term memory is to be forced to recall something just before you forget it
[09:29] yawNO: oh
[09:29] yawNO: i see
[09:29] payara: Anki is great if you are looking for some software that does this
[09:29] yawNO: well thx payara 
[09:29] yawNO: that was very helpful
[09:30] payara: yawNO: no problem
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[09:48] forste: framlin, mansoor : ty guys. mansoor: can u recommend anything?
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[09:50] forste: framlin, mansoor : ty guys. mansoor: can u recommend anything?
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[09:54] mansoor: forste, http://blog.mixu.net/2011/02/01/understanding-the-node-js-event-loop/
[09:55] mansoor: i don't really have a recommendation though
[09:57] framlin: http://debuggable.com/posts/understanding-node-js:4bd98440-45e4-4a9a-8ef7-0f7ecbdd56cb
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[09:58] framlin: maybe this is a starting-point together with the http://www.nodebeginner.org/
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[10:00] forste: framlin: thanks, will check it out
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[10:04] rigel_: hi, is there a way to create a 'net' server that accepts and handles just a single connection and then exits?
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[10:06] framlin: you may use a global variable as clousure that you set to 1 or true if you have received your one connection
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[10:08] framlin: and close the server, if you have completed your request-handling
[10:08] rigel_: framlin: yes, but I'd like to avoid testing the global variable on each connection, for performance reasons
[10:08] rigel_: what I mean is that I'm using a command line argument to set the server in "oneshot" mode
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[10:09] rigel_: when I run it in server mode, I don't want to test the variable on each connection
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[10:11] framlin: have you to do the same request-handling for both "modes"?
[10:11] rigel_: framlin: yes
[10:13] framlin: rigel_: and there may come many requests at the "same time" if you want to have the "oneshot" mode running?
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[10:14] rigel_: framlin: just one
[10:14] framlin: maybe it would be feasable to return your request-handler from a function, that wraps a server-shoutdown around the andler if you pass your command-line arg and that does not if ther is no oneshot-mode?
[10:14] rigel_: framlin: the server starts, processes one connections, and then exits
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[10:15] rigel_: hmm...
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[10:20] booyaa: anyone people using npm on win32?
[10:20] booyaa: i'm stuck behind a corp proxy, how can i use npm? seem to think there was some kinda variable to set your proxy? http_proxy?
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[10:34] krnl: i'm creating a cluster. how can i send message to a worker from the master? worker.send() doesnt seem to work, or am i doing something wrong?
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[10:36] Industrial: How do people do automated testing of mobile applications (native not web)?
[10:36] Industrial: I'm looking for either an android or an iOS solution, referrably both. Something like Selenium ;)
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[10:36] yawNO: hey
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[10:36] Industrial: only, I'm not filling in forms (in the app). It's a game. So I need to make clicks in the game in the test etc
[10:37] yawNO_: hey2
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[10:45] maritz: hey3
[10:45] Industrial: hey/0
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[10:46] yawNO_: hey maritz Industrial Brunoz 
[10:46] pland: hello all
[10:46] pland: is it appropriate to ask questions about forever in this room?
[10:46] rigel_: framlin: thanks for the insight. I'll just go a global variable for now.
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[10:48] pland: hey davidemorelli ;-)
[10:48] davidemorelli: :)
[10:48] davidemorelli: hi everybody! nodejs noob here
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[10:49] davidemorelli: I have a problem with forever
[10:50] davidemorelli: I can succesfully install it and use it on my localmachine.. but I'm having problems installing it on the production server (linode, ubuntu)
[10:50] davidemorelli: npm ERR! error installing forever@0.8.5 Error: No compatible version found: node-fork@'>=0.4.0- <0.5.0-'
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[10:53] stagas: davidemorelli: install with -f
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[10:54] davidemorelli: stagas: ah... the good old manners.. I see
[10:55] davidemorelli: it worked ;)
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[11:11] framlin: rigel_: np ;)
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[11:56] deoxxa: so i mentioned wanting express to be more flexible a week back or so. i ended up starting to write a little framework that follows it in spirit but that lets me do what i want with it.
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[11:56] deoxxa: it kind of feels like a cross between ender and express - you have a base server thing, then modules can "extend" it and add new functionality
[11:57] deoxxa: this lets me keep it really modular, or completely replace parts of it without breaking anything (so long as the extensions are retained by whatever it's replaced with)
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[11:59] deoxxa: https://gist.github.com/2170014 << this is what a small app written with it looks like at the moment
[12:00] deoxxa: the main thing i wanted was named routes, so .redirect() can be smarter about how it works
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[12:33] staar2: can i pass the flash object literal to dynamicHelper ?
[12:34] staar2: express question
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[13:08] savudin: I'd rather go with Express
[13:08] savudin: there's lot of resources and tuts online for this framework
[13:08] savudin: and it looks cool
[13:08] savudin: dude :)
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[13:29] Brandon_R: hi
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[13:30] maritz: deoxxa: what about express.redirect('name', function()); ? :D
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[13:31] deoxxa: maritz: doesn't quite do what i want, i want to be able to redirect to a specific route with arbitrary parameters
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[13:32] deoxxa: like res.redirect("blog_post_show", {id: 5, slug: "some-blog-post"})
[13:32] maritz: deoxxa: http://expressjs.com/guide.html#app.redirect()
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[13:32] maritz: i think that's exactly what that is for
[13:32] deoxxa: which then looks up the blog_post_show route, which might resolve to /blog/:id/:slug
[13:32] deoxxa: then the url would be /blog/5/some-blog-post
[13:33] deoxxa: and it needs to validate the url it's about to send the user to
[13:33] deoxxa: to make sure it'll actually resolve correctly
[13:33] maritz: the syntax might be slightly different, but that's what app.redirect can do
[13:33] deoxxa: it could, but it would mean defining the logic in two different places
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[13:34] maritz: whyß
[13:34] maritz: ?
[13:34] maritz: you can define your redirect logic directly above the route
[13:34] deoxxa: i've already got all the validation logic and such in the router, there's no reason to copy it into another method
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[13:36] deoxxa: .get("/:id/:slug", {requirements: {id: "\d+", slug: "[a-z-]+"}}), for example, already has all the necessary information to parse/format/validate urls
[13:36] deoxxa: i'd rather not have to write it again in another function
[13:36] deoxxa: then have to keep them in line when one of them changes
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[13:37] maritz: holy shit, ony of my projects is used by a project that is featured in the weekly javascript newsletter! xD
[13:38] maritz: deoxxa: okay ^^
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[13:39] maritz: (although, to be honest i'm not sure how that project made it into the weekly js newsletter. it seems rather incomplete and weird to me :/ )
[13:39] deoxxa: heh
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[13:40] Omega_Work: Quick question.  Just starting to learn about node and I was wondering if there are any examples of node apps that host multiple web sites, each with optional source that extends a base of code.  Similar to most web frameworks these days (Symfony is my best example).
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[13:41] Omega_Work: (obviously in the case of Symfony, it has Apache to do vhosts and that would have to be re-implemented in node)
[13:42] Omega_Work: But I'm interested in seeing if anyone has thought about this yet.
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[13:44] RLa: i think name-based vhosts are trivial to implement
[13:44] maritz: Omega_Work: i think most people run one node.js process per app
[13:44] RLa: just inspect Host header
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[13:44] Omega_Work: RLa: That's only half my question answered :)
[13:45] maritz: there's even a connect middleware for vhosts :D
[13:45] Omega_Work: maritz: So if I write a site based on my framework, I have to run one instance of node for each site?
[13:45] maritz: you don't have to. but it's easier i guess. why wouldn't you?
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[13:45] Omega_Work: maritz: Does that become unrealistic after you gets lots of sites going?
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[13:46] maritz: depends on what your definition of "lots" is
[13:46] RLa: and what you mean by "site"
[13:46] Omega_Work: maritz: If I'm doing custom web sites and I make my own CMS backed by node, each client would have their own instance of node.
[13:47] Omega_Work: Or would I only run node to fulfil requests and then have it shut down after it's done? (similar to a PHP-like lifecycle)
[13:47] maritz: no, not like php
[13:47] maritz: a node app handles requests for as long as you want (provided you don't crash your app :D )
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[13:49] Omega_Work: martiz: I know this already.
[13:49] Omega_Work: maritz: Try to understand my question :P
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[13:49] Omega_Work: So given all this, my node server would actually go one step lower and actually be responsible for hosting and bootstrapping multiple sites.
[13:49] dve: Is there an js/node equivalent to the c++ fabs function?
[13:49] maritz: Omega_Work: i am trying to understand your question.
[13:50] maritz: although your last sentence wasn't even a question :P
[13:50] maritz: and what do you mean by "bootstrapping multiple sites"?
[13:52] necromancer: what's the most complete testing framework for commonjs/node?
[13:52] necromancer: jasmine?
[13:52] maritz: a node process can have a http server running for multiple domains. or you can have one node process run multiple http servers on different ports and have some kind of proxy in front of it (might also be a node process). or you can have multiple node processes each handling one site on some port and some kind of proxy for domain->port mapping (can also be a node process)
[13:52] Brandon_R: hallo guys
[13:52] Brandon_R: i would have to say mocha
[13:52] Brandon_R: or vowsjs
[13:52] maritz: but proxying is generally done better by nginx
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[13:54] deoxxa: necromancer: i really like vows, personally
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[13:57] necromancer: deoxxa: that is some sexy output
[13:57] necromancer: from vows
[13:57] staar2: anything to make validation in node easier ?
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[13:58] deoxxa: necromancer: https://github.com/deoxxa/houkou/blob/master/test/matching-test.js << that's a test from one of my projects
[13:58] deoxxa: just as a "real world" example
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[13:59] necromancer: deoxxa: looks like minitest and rspec had an orgy with jasmine
[13:59] maritz: staar2: validation of what?
[13:59] staar2: form validation
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[14:00] Brandon_R: what are some good form validation libs in node
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[14:01] maritz: https://github.com/chriso/node-validator
[14:01] necromancer: Brandon_R: thanks...looks like a tossup between those two
[14:01] maritz: (not tested it myself, just searched for it)
[14:01] necromancer: trying to decide on a test lib for my framework
[14:02] wavded: necromancer: IMO mocha doesn't have as many surprises and is more flexible than vows, I used vows for a number of projects and recently have started using mocha
[14:02] Brandon_R: np
[14:03] necromancer: wavded: vows looks more like minitest/test::unit, which is what i'm used to
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[14:03] necromancer: test::unit in ruby, btw
[14:03] necromancer: wait doesn't node have a testing lib?
[14:03] necromancer: http://nodejs.org/api/assert.html
[14:04] necromancer: looks like its just assertions
[14:04] wavded: necromancer: node has and assert module but not a full lib
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[14:07] Brandon_R: mocha looks better than vowsjs for my needs
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[14:10] necromancer: yeah mocha looks more simple, but vows seems to have more power
[14:10] ccare: necromancer: I was using espresso and have now switched to mocha for all my projects. It worked for me as a) I found it really simple to get started and b) I was able to quickly get code coverage reports
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[14:10] necromancer: they're both technically BDD libs which is not really what i was looking for, i was thinking of more of a TDD lib
[14:10] necromancer: but if the best options right now for node are BDD libs, i feel like this framework should use it
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[14:14] thinkjson: Writing a raw buffer to a file seems to create a binary file. Is calling .toString on the buffer and providing an encoding before writing the only way to create a plain text file?
[14:14] Brandon_R: i think you can use mocha for both
[14:18] thinkjson: hmm. that doesn't even work. it still makes a binary file.
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[14:40] thinkjson: no, it's actually writing binary data
[14:41] thinkjson: weird
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[14:41] booyaa: isaacs: i think i might have asked about this before. npm on win32. any chance of ntlm proxy support? failing that would you be interested in patches submitted to enable winhttp?
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[14:42] baudehlo: thinkjson: what is a "binary file"?
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[14:46] mmalecki: isaacs: hey. I was wondering why doesn't npm send authorization header when adding user, even if it's launched with --always-auth
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[14:47] isaacs: mmalecki: because presumably that user doesn't exist yet.
[14:48] mmalecki: isaacs: but you can use different auth
[14:48] isaacs: mmalecki: couch's semantics don't let you add a user acct as a different user.
[14:48] mmalecki: isaacs: hm, I just did it?
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[14:50] fdaskls: hi guys i have a very big problem
[14:50] fdaskls: npm install mysql gived me that result
[14:51] fdaskls: mysql@0.9.5 ./mysql  âââ hashish@0.0.4   || âââ what these means i will die very soon?
[14:51] fdaskls: why âââ ?
[14:51] tlack: fdaskls: its just trying to be cute dont worry
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[14:51] fdaskls: but its very very ugly xD 
[14:51] tlack: fdaskls: supposed to be rendered as line-drawing characters but your terminal doesnt support it
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[14:52] isaacs: fdaskls: either get a terminal font that supports unicode, or do `npm config set unicode false`
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[14:52] mmalecki: isaacs: but anyway, I managed to add user when being authed as an admin
[14:52] mmalecki: maybe it's because I was logged in as an admin
[14:52] fdaskls: i use putty is not it great ?
[14:52] isaacs: mmalecki: yes, server admins are gods.
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[14:53] mmalecki: isaacs: I'm a god then!
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[14:53] isaacs: fdaskls: i prefer using the ssh that comes with the msysgit utils
[14:53] mmalecki: isaacs: thanks then :)
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[14:54] thinkjson: baudehlo: `file -I` returns application/octet-stream; charset=binary 
[14:54] booyaa: heh  https://twitter.com/#!/mikesten/status/183174545530826752
[14:55] booyaa: google using recaptcha for streetview o.O
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[14:57] fdaskls: is @ryah = ryan dahl
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[14:57] tuhoojabotti: yes
[14:58] booyaa: i thought it was ry
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[14:58] tuhoojabotti: booyaa: /whois ryah -> ry@tinyclouds.org
[14:58] booyaa: ah fair enough
[14:59] tuhoojabotti: though I have no idea who "ry" is
[14:59] tuhoojabotti: could be his alternative user
[14:59] tuhoojabotti: or someone else
[15:00] booyaa: ry is his handle on github
[15:00] tuhoojabotti: Sure, but that doesn't work in IRC afaik.
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[15:00] booyaa: heh still rockig the livejournal account heheh
[15:00] booyaa: true true
[15:00] booyaa: <-- isn't fussed that much
[15:00] CoverSlide: 
ACTION remembers git cloning from ry/node

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[15:00] booyaa: i may have partook in some lunch time beverages X)
[15:01] booyaa: XD
[15:01] CoverSlide: that was a while ago
[15:01] tuhoojabotti: I remember ry/node too
[15:01] tuhoojabotti: Good ol' times
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[15:05] mmalecki: isaacs: I was wondering, maybe we could enable auth there using, say, --force?
[15:07] isaacs: 
ACTION shrug

[15:07] isaacs: mmalecki: it's not really a trivial change.
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[15:07] mmalecki: isaacs: one line of code, actually :)
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[15:07] isaacs: mmalecki: really?  i'm pretty sure it'll be more than one line.
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[15:08] isaacs: mmalecki: because you'll have to make sure it doesn't break the non-always-auth case.
[15:08] mmalecki: isaacs: https://github.com/isaacs/npm/blob/master/lib/utils/npm-registry-client/request.js#L44
[15:08] isaacs: and works with older couches
[15:08] mmalecki: isaacs: oh well, yeah, fair enough
[15:08] isaacs: mmalecki: that'll break the first auth
[15:08] isaacs: mmalecki: because it'll say, "Sorry, you're not authed, you can't add a user account"
[15:08] mmalecki: ah
[15:09] mmalecki: hm, ok
[15:09] mmalecki: (it's really only a pain when you're setting up a private registry)
[15:09] isaacs: so you need to add another semantic.
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[15:09] isaacs: like, authRequired, and then if you HAVE auth, and always-auth is set, THEN send it no matter what, and also not try to create user X as user Y if user Y is not an admit, etc.
[15:10] isaacs: it's very hairy
[15:10] mmalecki: oh well, meh then
[15:11] djazz: anyone have experience with realtime adminpanels for games using node.js/websockets?
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[15:24] gzmask: how do I catch "RangeError: Maximum call stack size exceeded error" exception without letting it crash my process?
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[15:25] forste: gzmask: I don't think you can catch since it's most probably the result of an infinite recursion
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[15:27] gzmask: forste: can I put that infinite recursion function in a child process to handle the error nicely? 
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[15:27] nathanielk: yeah, the way to catch is "stop doing that."
[15:27] nathanielk: gzmask: why are you infinitely recurring?
[15:27] gzmask: nathanielk: I am doing a live-coding multi-player game, like robocode, in JS
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[15:28] nathanielk: gzmask: ha! got it. so this is for your users?
[15:28] gzmask: nathanielk: yes, I want to run their code on my node server
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[15:29] nathanielk: how are you doing it now? vm?
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[15:30] gzmask: it's in prototype stage, so I am just using eval on my main process. shouldn't be that way in the next stage. I'll either make all robot motor calls a RESTful websocket calls, or child process. haven't decided which way to go
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[15:31] gzmask: if it's RESTful wrapped websocket calls, then user code just runs in their browser. seems more elegant that way 
[15:31] RLa: it could use socket.io for communication too
[15:32] RLa: that would enable real-time two-way connection
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[15:32] gzmask: RLa: yea, I am already using that to sync game object positions
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[15:33] gzmask: so bascially robot code will run in web worker in browser, or child process in node. Can't decide which way is better atm
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[15:37] fdaskls: is there a way to select source ip
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[15:37] fdaskls: when sending http/s request
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[15:42] booyaa: gzmask: can we play?
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[15:44] bnoordhuis: fdaskls: you mean bind to a local interface?
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[15:44] baudehlo: that just got added to node 0.7
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[15:46] gzmask: booyaa: http://aicraft.org:3003/game   This version is nowhere close to playable at all. You'll need WebGL, preferably chrome, and only 2 players allow at a time. wasd to move, alt to call code editor
[15:46] gzmask: booyaa: more like a toy project right now :P
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[15:48] gzmask: and Websocket or Socket.IO isn't ready for MMO style multiplayer performance now. I think WebRTC is the way to go for browser games.  
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[15:49] wutt: hello all
[15:50] wutt: guys, how to share state efficiently between cores?
[15:50] baudehlo: Redis
[15:50] wutt: hmmmmm
[15:51] wutt: another question... i use cluster && a websocket server
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[15:51] wutt: now my http requests get balancer across cores, my websockets request not
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[15:51] wutt: *requests
[15:51] wutt: get balanced*
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[15:51] wutt: blah so many typo
[15:51] rlidwka: gzmask: websocket is ready for it... as for socket.io... why not?
[15:52] gzmask: rlidwka: if there are two players, syncs position 20 times per second, yes, it's almost good enough
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[15:53] AndreasMadsen: wutt: socket.io creates more that one net connection. If the net connection isn't handled by the same worker it will fail.
[15:53] gzmask: rlidwka: anything more than that, you will need to drop the sync rate and use client side physics engine to interpolate 
[15:53] wutt: AndreasMadsen i use the worlize/websocket-node module
[15:53] booyaa: gzmask: k cool give us a shout if yuo need any testers ;)
[15:54] gzmask: booyaa: I sure will XD . Still lots work to be done
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[15:54] wutt: AndreasMadsen and i always connect to one of the workers, even if i create 200 workers, and all my connection goes to the same worker, why is that?
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[15:54] wutt: AndreasMadsen i mean all the ws clients connects to the same worker
[15:54] AndreasMadsen: wutt: what do you use to share the port
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[15:55] wutt: AndreasMadsen the builtin cluster module. I use 0.6.13
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[15:55] AndreasMadsen: wutt: that sounds strange
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[15:55] wutt: AndreasMadsen which part? lol
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[15:55] AndreasMadsen: wutt: that all the connections are handled by the same worker.
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[15:56] wutt: AndreasMadsen yea that freaked me out too, lol
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[15:56] AndreasMadsen: wutt: are you sure that it isn't the same net connection. A net connection can contain more http requests.
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[15:57] wutt: AndreasMadsen Look. I assign a unique integer to every worker. Now when I browse my web page it always logs different workers. Works random, round robin. Now when i connect from client javascript to ws server, i see every time the same fkin worker id
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[15:58] wutt: AndreasMadsen no matter how workers i have, it picks one randomly and every friggin ws connection goes trough that
[15:58] wutt: AndreasMadsen cant figure it out why
[15:58] AndreasMadsen: wutt: please be nice
[15:59] wutt: AndreasMadsen sorry.
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[15:59] AndreasMadsen: wutt: I don't know Worlize/WebSocket-Node but I'm currently reading the source code.
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[16:03] wutt: AndreasMadsen Now I would not care but unfortunately it makes proper hard to test if I do successfully write multicore code, since im on one core anyway. Im thinking of only starting the ws server on the 0th code, so it wont have a shared state at all
[16:04] wutt: AndreasMadsen now would that be a viable route, or the cluster module will go nuts? I mean wont the cluster will try to offload the work to a worker who does not even has a ws server running?
[16:04] wutt: AndreasMadsen Sorry if I am speaking stupid things btw, I dont get the inner working of these things.
[16:04] chapel: wutt: have you tried between multiple clients, different browsers?
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[16:05] wutt: chapel Yes, i stressed the server to try trigger a "load balancing", so one core cant keep up and it must be handled by another core
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[16:05] chapel: thats not exactly how it works
[16:05] wutt: chapel but even that didnt work, i wen to the point when there were 8 seconds latency
[16:05] chapel: there isn't any logic to what worker gets it
[16:06] wutt: chapel its random then?
[16:06] chapel: as far as I know
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[16:06] AndreasMadsen: wutt: what worker there will what what connection is decided by the OS.
[16:06] wutt: chapel then it must be some tricky thing since i started up 200 workers at least, done about 200 000 ws connection, and all went to the same worker
[16:06] chapel: are you hooking the websocket server into the http server?
[16:06] booyaa: 
ACTION does the snoopy dance

[16:06] booyaa: when in doubt rtfm
[16:07] wutt: chapel yes im hooking of course, as the documentation says
[16:07] wutt: AndreasMadsen I see, Im on windows :D maybe its buggy, haha
[16:08] AndreasMadsen: wutt: I would try to test the cluster using node clients. browsers decisions can be tricky.
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[16:09] wutt: AndreasMadsen thats an option i didnt think about
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[16:09] wutt: AndreasMadsen but im not sure if it has anything to do with the browser
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[16:09] mansoor: Why do all Node.js presentations start with "So, who knows what node.js is?"? :S
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[16:10] AndreasMadsen: wutt: not of course not, but you will have to be in order to begin answer the question you are asking.
[16:10] booyaa: so the bouncers can eject those dudes first
[16:10] AndreasMadsen: *no of course not
[16:10] booyaa: mansoor: ^^
[16:10] mansoor: hehe
[16:10] booyaa: mansoor: what do you need to know brah?
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[16:11] mansoor: nothing really just watching some mongodb presentations
[16:11] wutt: AndreasMadsen well, i will check then
[16:11] context: mansoor: oh yeah. when they do that im the asshole that stands up and goes on a ten minute speil about war in africa and nodejs is to blame
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[16:11] mansoor: context, :D
[16:12] CoverSlide: what is node.js? is that a jquery plugin?
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[16:12] The_Fly: lol
[16:12] CIA-19: node: 03Shigeki Ohtsu 07master * r2cf5f04 10/ doc/api/tls.markdown : doc: add cleartextStream.getCipher() in tls - http://git.io/Jo70dA
[16:12] CIA-19: node: 03Shigeki Ohtsu 07master * r8727e5f 10/ test/simple/test-tls-getcipher.js : test: add test of cleartextStream.getCipher() in tls - http://git.io/7LMoCg
[16:12] CIA-19: node: 03Shigeki Ohtsu 07master * r75face6 10/ doc/api/tls.markdown : doc: fix TLS cipher names - http://git.io/XBrQOw
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[16:14] booyaa: yeah speaking on jquery plugins i saw one in npm
[16:14] booyaa: damn it was in latest updates
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[16:24] CIA-19: node: 03Shigeki Ohtsu 07master * r4515987 10/ doc/api/dgram.markdown : doc: fix default dgram multicast ttl to 1 - http://git.io/00rtRQ
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[16:27] wavded: Anyone know the cause of a 'error: socket hang up'
[16:28] wavded: i've switched to bouncy as my proxy server on port 80 and get these every once in a while, didn't see that with nginx
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[16:34] AvianFlu: wavded, that's what you'll see when a server you're connecting to crashes before completing the response
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[16:46] wavded: AvianFlu: thanks, I'll keep investigating now that I know that
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[17:07] forste: hi, anybody knows any library to parse an html document into a string ?
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[17:08] ideaMaster: whats up noders
[17:08] benvie: orste you mean a dom?
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[17:09] ideaMaster: benvie hello
[17:09] benvie: how goes master of ideas
[17:09] forste: benvie: no, I mean parsing something a string like '<p>This is some html text</p>' into 'This is some html</n>'
[17:09] ideaMaster: it goes well
[17:09] ideaMaster: and yourself 
[17:10] benvie: pretty good
[17:10] ag4ve: forste: that makes a dom
[17:10] benvie: or you want to strip tags
[17:10] forste: yeah more like stripping
[17:10] thetony: i think he wants readable text for like cli
[17:10] benvie: that one is easy
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[17:10] benvie: the dom is less easy
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[17:10] forste: could regex it myself, but if there was a library for it
[17:10] benvie: can do the tag stripping with a handful of regex
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[17:11] benvie: probably is but I haven't use one I can vouch
[17:11] tlack: forste: a lot of people in the php world run html through tidy and then use an xml parser for what its worth
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[17:12] yaymukund: is it possible to use spies or mocks with async tests?
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[17:12] ag4ve: 
ACTION is reminded of a post about all of the reasons *not* to parse html with regex...

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[17:12] yaymukund: or disable the require cache during tests
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[17:14] mikkelb: Hi! Is there a nice and easy way to use Node.JS to complete the contact form at http://home.no/reddvinylene/test/ ?
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[17:16] yaymukund: mikkelb: zombiejs is probably the most straightforward, but you could figure out the post requests and make them directly with any request library.
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[17:17] mikkelb: yaymukund: zombiejs huh, nice
[17:17] mikkelb: Is it easy or do I need a lot of custom programming? Because I barely know CSS
[17:18] yaymukund: mikkelb: most things with node probably require you to know a bit of programming. Take a look at the examples: http://zombie.labnotes.org/ and decide for yourself.
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[17:20] mikkelb: yaymukund: Any chance I could perhaps pay you a few dimes to help me complete the contact form at http://home.no/reddvinylene/test/ ?
[17:20] justicefries: mc: I got my prototype board for the node environment
[17:20] mikkelb: I'd just rather not use PHP
[17:20] mc: justicefries: yeah? a raspberry pi? or did you go with something else?
[17:21] justicefries: mc: I have a raspberry pi coming on april 13
[17:21] justicefries: mc: for now, a pandaboard
[17:21] mc: cool
[17:21] justicefries: it should translate 1:1
[17:21] yaymukund: mikkelb: sorry, I barely have time to brush my teeth these days. sometimes I just gargle
[17:21] mc: where'd you order the raspberry from?
[17:21] justicefries: newark/element14
[17:22] mc: i've been debating buying one, but i think i might just for fun
[17:22] justicefries: yeah
[17:22] justicefries: so far the pandaboard is awesome
[17:22] justicefries: it's a 1.2gHz dual core, has OpenGL es 2.0 support
[17:22] justicefries: it's sitting on my desk chugging away
[17:22] mc: those are quite a bit more expensive though aren't they?
[17:22] justicefries: can't wait for the pi
[17:22] justicefries: yeah
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[17:22] justicefries: I have a beagleboard xM, pandaboard, and raspberry pi.
[17:23] mc: only real reason i was looking at the pi is because it's as cheap as it is
[17:23] justicefries: yeah
[17:23] justicefries: once I have a node environment setup on it, it's perfect for that.
[17:24] mc: although with a $20 handling charge, i guess that puts it more in line with the others
[17:24] justicefries: oh really? I didn't see that.
[17:25] mc: yeah i just noticed
[17:25] mc: in the FAQs on the product page there's one about why is there a $20 handling charge
[17:25] justicefries: hm I didn't see that
[17:25] mc: although that's still only $55
[17:26] justicefries: yeah
[17:26] mc: and a pandaboard is what, almost $200?
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[17:26] justicefries: $180 yeah
[17:26] wavded: AvianFlu: turned out I was proxying something that wasn't resolving
[17:26] justicefries: $150 for the beagleboard xm
[17:26] justicefries: the pandaboard is more for mobile prototyping though
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[17:27] mc: beagleboard has a smaller one too, don't they? the bone or something?
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[17:27] justicefries: beaglebone, I ordered one...but the problem was that you have order the LCD expansion separately.
[17:27] AvianFlu: wavded, there you go :D
[17:27] mc: oh it's not out yet either
[17:27] mc: oh yes it is, nevermind
[17:27] justicefries: it is yeah
[17:28] mc: they say it's an upcoming product but if you click anyway it says it's in stock
[17:28] justicefries: but $80 plus you have to get the LCD expansion.
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[17:28] justicefries: so I'm not sure what the deal was there
[17:28] justicefries: I'm working on the kickstarter project, calling it the node bento.
[17:28] mc: yeah that's a little silly
[17:28] wavded: AvianFlu: thanks for clients who tell you which actions aren't working :)
[17:28] mc: nice, good deal
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[17:28] justicefries: will just start with the SD card and have it nice and stamped, with a getting started guide
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[17:28] justicefries: I'm going to perf test both redis and mongodb
[17:28] justicefries: and see which one handles better.
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[17:31] mc: seems like the pogoplug is right around the same price point too
[17:31] mc: err, not pogoplug.. the other one
[17:31] mc: crap, can't remember the name
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[17:32] mc: sheevaplug
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[17:33] mc: $99 for the base model one
[17:33] sadjow: what mc?
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[17:35] mc: for a sheevaplug, was talking to justicefries
[17:35] justicefries: gotta figure out how to get node to build on ARMv7 now
[17:35] mc: good luck ;)
[17:35] justicefries: haha
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[17:44] mao: sdf
[17:44] mao: hello
[17:46] TheDahv: On Windows, is there a way to tell npm to use an IronPython executable if Python isn't installed locally?
[17:46] mao: this is node.jss app Poetro
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[17:49] isaacs: TheDahv: whatever python you put in your PATH, that's the one that npm will use
[17:49] isaacs: TheDahv: echo %Path% <-- that'll tell you which dirs it'll search
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[17:50] TheDahv: Yeah, that makes sense. I tried setting up the path to the exe as a powershell environment variable
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[17:51] TheDahv: I haven't bothered playing with my work machine that much. They don't know I'm playing with node right now ;)
[17:51] TheDahv: I'm going to spend a few minutes making this work and I'll let you know if anything interesting happens
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[17:51] T-Nguyen: hello
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[17:55] Gloorian: Hello
[17:55] Gloorian: Is there anyone there that uses railwayjs ?
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[17:57] TheDahv: isaacs: is it going to look for `python` or `ipy`?
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[17:57] TheDahv: The latter is what I have in my path
[17:58] isaacs: TheDahv: it'll look for python
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[17:58] isaacs: TheDahv: cp ipy python
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[17:58] isaacs: er, "copy" i guess
[17:58] isaacs: copy ipy.exe python.exe
[17:58] TheDahv: Heh, good Idea
[17:58] TheDahv: *idea
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[17:59] TheDahv: My brain was driving down the path of making powershell rebind variables to other programs
[18:00] mansoor: To Mongoose or to Mongoose... thats the question
[18:00] ljharb: i'm happy with mongoose so far
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[18:02] mansoor: I'm a fan of ODMs when it comes to like PHP.. idk if I need one for a already document based database.. I guess it could help with the callback hell  but i think thats all
[18:02] mansoor: *mysql not php
[18:02] mansoor: brain fart
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[18:02] ningu: mansoor: imo there are two main benefits to mongoose: (1) populate, (2) hooks
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[18:03] ningu: oh, also validation, which is related to hooks I suppose
[18:03] ningu: just hooks done by mongoose rather than manually
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[18:06] K1ngInky: i have a question -- a pretty abstract one. i just need to be pointed in the right direction. im writing a pretty complex project, and i want it to be as organized and clean as possible. im getting pretty far into it, and im starting to have a lot of trouble working with the scope. im wondering if there are any libraries that make this easier?
[18:06] K1ngInky: libraries = modules***
[18:06] TheDahv: isaacs: Some incremental success, but I get some errors that cause npm install to fail for 'jsdom'
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[18:06] TheDahv: This is using Iron Python 2.7.1 on Windows 7
[18:06] TheDahv: Is it worth pasting the error report somewhere?
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[18:06] ningu: K1ngInky: the scope of what?
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[18:07] ag4ve: anyone used dust? i can't get it to work. i've basically followed the example here: http://spalatnik.com/blog/?p=54
[18:07] TheDahv: In particular, it chokes on 'bindings'
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[18:07] ag4ve: but, when i try to do 'var app = express();' i get 'object is not a function'
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[18:08] ag4ve: ... which makes since, i just can't figure out how to make it work the way the post says
[18:08] ljharb: var app = express.createServer(); ?
[18:09] isaacs: TheDahv: what versions of node and npm do you have?
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[18:09] K1ngInky: ningu: just in general. i actually just found what i needed though, so nevermind. thx
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[18:11] ag4ve: well, here's what i have: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/188554
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[18:11] ag4ve: ... err, wanted
[18:11] TheDahv: node -v -> v0.6.13
[18:11] TheDahv: npm -v -> 1.1.9
[18:11] TheDahv: Installed this morning
[18:11] K1ngInky: another question. are there any good alternatives to coffeescript? or would i really be better off just hand-coding the JS?
[18:11] isaacs: hm.
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[18:11] isaacs: TheDahv: gist the output?
[18:11] ag4ve: but, it seems that dust doesn't work with out consolidate, and something about using consolidate with express like that is improper....
[18:11] TheDahv: I wouldn't be surprised if it's just a wonky setup
[18:12] TheDahv: pastebin just as good?
[18:12] TheDahv: http://pastebin.com/47ciPBbT
[18:12] ag4ve: ie, 'Object #<HTTPSServer> has no method 'engine'
[18:12] TheDahv: Fails in a python build script it seems
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[18:16] CIA-19: node: 03isaacs 07v0.6.14-release * r76f31fa 10/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Remove hard-coded version number from docs - http://git.io/WAILzQ
[18:16] CIA-19: node: 03isaacs 07v0.6.14-release * rd497bf8 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): doc: Remove extraneous index.html's from hyperlinks - http://git.io/1NXgYQ
[18:16] CIA-19: node: 03isaacs 07v0.6.14-release * re513ffe 10/ (AUTHORS ChangeLog src/node_version.h): (log message trimmed)
[18:16] CIA-19: node: 2012.03.22 Version 0.6.14 (stable)
[18:16] CIA-19: node: * net: don't crash when queued write fails (Igor Zinkovsky)
[18:16] CIA-19: node: * sunos: fix EMFILE on process.memoryUsage() (Bryan Cantrill)
[18:16] CIA-19: node: * crypto: fix compile-time error with openssl 0.9.7e (Ben Noordhuis)
[18:16] CIA-19: node: * unix: ignore ECONNABORTED errors from accept() (Ben Noordhuis)
[18:16] CIA-19: node: * Add UV_ENOSPC and mappings to it (Bert Belder)
[18:17] CIA-19: node: 03isaacs 07v0.6 * rd497bf8 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): doc: Remove extraneous index.html's from hyperlinks - http://git.io/1NXgYQ
[18:17] CIA-19: node: 03isaacs 07v0.6 * ra7dce47 10/ src/node_version.h : Now working on v0.6.15 - http://git.io/xP80uA
[18:17] CIA-19: node: 03isaacs 07v0.6 * re513ffe 10/ (AUTHORS ChangeLog src/node_version.h): (log message trimmed)
[18:17] CIA-19: node: 2012.03.22 Version 0.6.14 (stable)
[18:17] CIA-19: node: * net: don't crash when queued write fails (Igor Zinkovsky)
[18:17] CIA-19: node: * sunos: fix EMFILE on process.memoryUsage() (Bryan Cantrill)
[18:17] CIA-19: node: * crypto: fix compile-time error with openssl 0.9.7e (Ben Noordhuis)
[18:17] CIA-19: node: * unix: ignore ECONNABORTED errors from accept() (Ben Noordhuis)
[18:17] CIA-19: node: * Add UV_ENOSPC and mappings to it (Bert Belder)
[18:17] CIA-19: node: 03isaacs 07v0.6 * r76f31fa 10/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Remove hard-coded version number from docs - http://git.io/WAILzQ
[18:17] CIA-19: node: 03isaacs 07v0.6 * rdbd0e2b 10/ (9 files in 6 dirs): Merge branch 'v0.6.14-release' into v0.6 - http://git.io/riS8_A
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[18:23] TheDahv: isaacs: pasted into a gist https://gist.github.com/2173457
[18:24] tlack: ag4ve: try https://github.com/davglass/express-dust
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[18:24] hjunge: Hi
[18:24] tlack: ag4ve: from what i understand the way dust works is not compatible with express's view callback system, so some hackery had to be performed
[18:24] hjunge: question aboiut the asynchrony of function calls
[18:24] hjunge: How do I know whether the call will be async or not?
[18:25] tjholowaychuk: tlack / ag4ve consolidate just gives them all the same signature
[18:25] hjunge: I.e. If I calculate a hash, will this provess be synchronic?
[18:25] tlack: hjunge: in a library? you dont unless its specified in the documentation. most libraries make a best effort
[18:25] tjholowaychuk: since yeah each author comes up with something slightly different
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[18:25] hjunge: tlack, example: node-oauth
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[18:25] tlack: hjunge: i would imagine a hash library would NOT be async
[18:25] hjunge: of course
[18:25] tlack: hjunge: does it a take a callback? if so, probably async
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[18:25] hjunge: in node-oauth I don't see any callbacks
[18:25] hjunge: wait.
[18:26] hjunge: How do node knows that I'm making a function with callbacks?
[18:26] tlack: sorry, english? :)
[18:26] hjunge: sorry
[18:26] hjunge: (not native)
[18:26] hjunge: suppose I'm making a function to encrypt something
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[18:27] hjunge: and I want to make sure that once I call this function, the loop will continue inside the function...
[18:27] hjunge: ... and not that the loop will issue the call
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[18:27] hjunge: to the line following the function
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[18:29] tlack: hjunge: node.js is async BUT single threaded. so if you have a loop that runs a million times, your script will totally block - including callbacks
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[18:30] hjunge: So, can I make :
[18:30] tlack: hjunge: however, you can allow other activities to occur by calling http://howtonode.org/understanding-process-next-tick
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[18:30] hjunge: var mySignature = encrypt(base, key); var doSomething(mySignature)
[18:30] hjunge: and be certain that mySignature will be calculated before calling doSomething()
[18:30] hjunge: ?
[18:31] tlack: node.js just runs everything in a straight line in a single thread, like a normal program, in that instance.
[18:31] tlack: if you did this:
[18:32] hjunge: BTW, not that I'm supposing or especulating. Is that, as a beginner, I got accustomed to that fact that I call a function
[18:32] tlack: encrypt(base, key, function(result) { mySignature = result; }); doSomething(mySignature);   - you would have no assurances that mySignature exists in doSomething()'s scope
[18:32] hjunge: and node continues with the following line at once
[18:32] hjunge: OK
[18:32] hjunge: I see
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[18:32] Lemminkainen: having deep trouble with node-mongodb-native if anyone can advise: http://pastebin.com/UtQeG6qC
[18:32] Lemminkainen: nevermind
[18:32] Lemminkainen: I just saw the big stupid error in that
[18:32] hjunge: When I started I had the problem that I did:
[18:33] tlack: hjunge: in other words, it's overt and explicit - not magic
[18:33] hjunge: var myValue = doThisCall(params); doOtherThing(myValue);
[18:33] hjunge: and saw that node:
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[18:33] hjunge: 1. call doThisCall()
[18:33] ag4ve: tlack: thanks. hadn't seen that. however, it's as old as the current dust code, so...
[18:33] hjunge: 2. call doOtherThing() inmediately
[18:34] ag4ve: 
ACTION yells at linkedin :(

[18:34] hjunge: not giving me time to 'fill' myVAlue
[18:34] tlack: ag4ve: i havent tried it let me know how it works, planning to try dust this weekend
[18:34] hjunge: well, I'm studying this carefully
[18:34] hjunge: thanks a lot tlack
[18:34] tlack: hjunge: only if those functions are programmed that way to work asynchronously
[18:34] ag4ve: tlack: you know linkedin is supposed to release a fork?
[18:34] hjunge: oh, you have to tell the functions 'be async' prevously?
[18:34] tlack: hjunge: if you look at the FS module, you'll see two variants of most functions: a synchronous one (just returns the result as expected), and an async one that will call your callback when its done
[18:34] Lemminkainen: OK, big stupid error fixed, but still not getting actual uploads: http://pastebin.com/cHF9iufa
[18:35] tlack: ag4ve: really? i feel like dust is way too cool for LI
[18:35] hjunge: K
[18:35] hjunge: Thanks a lot tlack
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[18:35] Lemminkainen: if anyone could take a look I'd much appreciate any advisement
[18:35] ag4ve: tlack: google 'linkedin dust.js' you'll see it
[18:35] tlack: hjunge: yeah, its mostly stuff that does I/O that is written asychronously (because the underlying OS has support for async versions of file system operations!) - this includes network code
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[18:35] hjunge: That was the reason Why I had this problem
[18:36] hjunge: var myVAlue = queryTheDB(params); doSomething(myVAlue)
[18:36] hjunge: queryTheDB() should have been programmed to run Async
[18:36] ag4ve: personally, i don't care but there do seem to be some issues with it currentl (read the posts at the bottom of the linkedin article)
[18:36] hjunge: and IO should have issue a callback
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[18:36] tlack: hjunge: db stuff, at least the mysql shit, will work via callback, so you want to do: queryTheDB(params, function(result) { doSomething(result); });
[18:36] hjunge: I'd*
[18:36] hjunge: I see
[18:36] hjunge: I learn to do this way
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[18:37] hjunge: Then I'm seeing node-oauth completely sync
[18:37] tlack: hjunge: if you've done client side JS think of it like ajax calls - they do their thing and finish on their own schedule, so your code has to be 'chained' through callbakcs
[18:37] Renacor: Whats the proper way to get POST/GET request variables from a http.ServerRequest object?
[18:37] hjunge: and I was, like, This is not node :D
[18:37] hjunge: K
[18:37] Renacor: I am trying to use the data event but I don't seem to get anything back
[18:37] tlack: Renacor: in express its req.query.attrname
[18:37] hjunge: I got it clear as water
[18:38] hjunge: or whatever you say that in english
[18:38] tlack: hjunge: close enough lol
[18:38] Renacor: express == ?
[18:38] hjunge: LOL
[18:38] hjunge: THX
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[18:38] Renacor: framework
[18:38] Renacor: i see
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[18:38] tlack: Renacor: pluggable and wonderful framework for web stuff on node http://expressjs.com/
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[18:40] tlack: ag4ve: what a great article about dust
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[18:43] ag4ve: tlack: yeah, the benchmarks sorta made my mind for me
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[18:44] tlack: ag4ve: i dont understand how it can be faster than simpler engines but hay im not complaining
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[18:45] qbit_: lal
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[18:46] CoverSlide: http://jsperf.com/dom-vs-innerhtml-based-templating/381 << dust not that fast on here
[18:46] CoverSlide: but to be fair it isn't exactly tested well
[18:47] ag4ve: tlack: well i was using handlebars. so, if they give me pretty much the same format, partials, and streaming, speed is just a nice plus :)
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[18:50] tlack: ag4ve: streaming is a HUGE feature for perceived performance.. in fact, if anything, that should be the deal killer
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[18:51] ag4ve: i need a sub/pub and don't want it in my views anyway.
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[18:52] tlack: CoverSlide: perhaps they didnt use compilation here? hmm
[18:52] ag4ve: so, i am going to use faye and could have done the same with that and jq
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[18:54] ag4ve: what determines require's search path?
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[19:02] ag4ve: oooh, i get it, it recurses down until it finds a <file>.js and looks in package.json which can override the normal lookup?
[19:02] tlack: i think it can also look in $NODE_LIB (didnt answer cuz i havent dug into that yet)
[19:03] ag4ve: http://nodejs.org/api/modules.html it's actually an easier model than perl's @INC. sorta cool
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[19:04] tlack: keeping everything local to the app makes more sense too (even though its nontraditional to the point of heresy)
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[19:06] ag4ve: i haven't moved to deploy yet. however, i think a central modules dir is a good thing
[19:07] ag4ve: it pretty much says to me 'this is the unaltered upstream'
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[19:09] ag4ve: ... but, this is what i thought and why i asked the question "it is not a guarantee that require('foo') will always return the exact same object" - this is a good thing, but i didn't know how node handled it.
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[19:11] ag4ve: i'm still unclear what happens if i require(foo) and have a ~/node_modules/foo/package.json with a '"name": "bar"'
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[19:12] ag4ve: but, i guess i'm not quite at the point of caring about the minutia...
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[19:14] ljharb: ag4ve: i believe the name is just for reference, and the output of require(foo) is only called "foo" if you assign it to a variable named as such
[19:14] ljharb: var baz = require('foo') in your example would be referenced with "baz"
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[19:18] Qalqi: i am back to my love 
[19:18] Qalqi: nodejs
[19:18] ag4ve: ljharb: that doesn't sound right ???????
[19:19] ljharb: ag4ve: 'foo' is the name of the file, 'bar' is the name in a package repository, and 'baz' in this case is the variable that holds foo's exports
[19:19] ag4ve: (or i'm misunderstanding)
[19:19] ag4ve: ok, right. hummm.
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[19:21] ag4ve: i guess, i wasn't thinking of the variable and just how require does the 'lookup' for the file
[19:22] tlack: ag4ve: having some trouble with express-dust, did you get it working?
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[19:22] ag4ve: tlack: lets see... sec
[19:23] ag4ve: tlack: no, i'm getting path issues still
[19:24] tlack: ag4ve: i commented out that line (you mean the require.paths line?) and it still runs, but now getting a problem related to runInNewContext
[19:24] ag4ve: but, i'm trying: var dust    = require('express-dust');
[19:24] tlack: try var dust = require('express-dust/lib/dust')
[19:24] ag4ve: maybe i should just tell it where the hell the package is so i don't have to wonder how require does lookups :)
[19:24] ag4ve: tlack++
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[19:24] tlack: (saw that in an issue on the express-dust github)
[19:25] tlack: still fails though
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[19:26] ag4ve: ahha
[19:26] ag4ve: but, no it doesn't work
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[19:27] Matt`: any idea what's causing this? http://pastebin.com/kd0MZt5s
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[19:27] RLa: clock_gettime missing
[19:28] tlack: matt` try adding -ldl -lrt
[19:28] tlack: to the LD_FLAGS line in the makefile
[19:28] ljharb: ag4ve: where is the file "foo" stored?
[19:28] tlack: ag4ve: what error are you getting
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[19:28] ljharb: ag4ve: if it's not a node module, you need "./foo"
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[19:29] RLa: Matt`, what distro it is
[19:29] ag4ve: http://scsys.co.uk:8002/188560
[19:30] tlack: ag4ve: that is your code or what?
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[19:30] ag4ve: tlack: yes
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[19:30] ag4ve: it's what i generally start with
[19:30] tlack: ag4ve: but it doesnt work or it does?
[19:30] ag4ve: but, i'm about to start removing stuff
[19:31] ag4ve: not work
[19:31] tlack: ag4ve: pastebin you startup error
[19:31] Matt`: RLa: debian 6
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[19:32] ag4ve: http://scsys.co.uk:8002/188561
[19:32] RLa: Matt`, x86 or something else?
[19:32] Matt`: x86
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[19:33] RLa: and what node version you are compiling?
[19:33] Matt`: 0.6.14
[19:33] Matt`: from git
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[19:36] tlack: ag4ve: comment out that line (node_modules/dust/lib/server.js line 6)
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[19:36] RLa: Matt`, what did configure said about library rt?
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[19:37] tlack: RLa: didnt look like it detected that he needs it in the ld line
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[19:37] ag4ve: tlack: oooh, that was the line you were talking about... the same one that i keep seeing on my screen... duh... thanks :)
[19:38] Matt`: RLa: can't scrollback that far
[19:38] Matt`: but i had to use --without-ssl
[19:39] RLa: you could do make clean as well and rerun configure :)
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[19:40] Matt`: RLa: http://pastebin.com/N5vDT4wp
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[19:41] RLa: looks good
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[19:42] ag4ve: tlack: ok, it's "running" now :)
[19:42] tlack: ag4ve: wow really? mine isnt. it works properly?
[19:42] ag4ve: no, it isn't loading a page. it is "running"
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[19:42] ag4ve: and i'm not getting my console.trace("req"); when i hit it
[19:43] ag4ve: ahha, i wanted to use https and forgot: TypeError: Cannot read property 'connect.sid' of undefined
[19:43] tlack: ag4ve: can you pastebin your code again? the one you pasted last time makes reference to app.engine('dust', cons.dust); but i dont know where cons was coming from
[19:44] ag4ve: yeah i removed that... pasting
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[19:44] lrvick: Can anyone tell me why nodejs hates me extending an object like this? https://github.com/lrvick/grfety/blob/master/grfety.js#L250  
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[19:45] ag4ve: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/188563
[19:45] Matt`: oh, RLa: make worked this time
[19:45] ag4ve: tlack: ^^
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[19:46] RLa: hm, interesting
[19:47] ag4ve: tlack: leave out the options and it /should/ work the same. hell i don't even know why i still have it in my starting point (should do this with nginx anyway)
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[19:48] benvie: wtf firefox doesn't have DataView
[19:49] benvie: annoying
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[19:51] ag4ve: tlack: that code probably won't work either because i think i need a back end for my session.... looking into it.
[19:52] lrvick: any ideas? I am trying to do this in a way where it will work for both client-side and node
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[19:57] ag4ve: tlack: disabled my broke session (for now) and now i'm where you're at: Cannot call method 'runInNewContext' of undefined
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[20:01] Sixnet: We are already building modules in C for node.  We would like to be able to call back into javascript from there.  Can someone please point me to an example of how to do this?
[20:02] jakubmal: hi guys, anyone knows what to do with nginx+node often returning 500, nodejs directly never returning 500, anyone pm me?
[20:03] ag4ve: heh, i think i'm going back to handlebars until linkedin gets their act together :(
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[20:05] justicefries: v8 takes so long to build on ARM.
[20:05] justicefries: dear lord.
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[20:06] ag4ve: kids these days... it used to take me >24 hours every time gentoo updated kde (~10 years ago)
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[20:06] ag4ve: oh, and it failed half the time too :)
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[20:07] tlack: ag4ve: there's another package called dust-x
[20:07] tlack: seems like its more likely to work
[20:07] tlack: ag4ve: also, dust.js is no longer updated - im trying a fork here https://github.com/caolan/dustjs
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[20:09] ag4ve: tlack: i know, that's why i'm pissed that linkedin hasn't released their fork
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[20:10] ag4ve: tlack: ya got a link for dust-x?
[20:10] justicefries: haha
[20:10] justicefries: well, KDE. ;)
[20:10] tlack: ag4ve: https://github.com/laurie71/dust-x 
[20:10] ag4ve: nevermind, should have just searched github
[20:10] ag4ve: heh, thanks anyway :)
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[20:11] ag4ve: aight, lets try this one :)
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[20:12] tlack: holy shit
[20:12] tlack: i think i fixed it
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[20:13] sadjow: Where can I know about documentation changes?
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[20:14] tlack: ag4ve: ok, i have a fix for ya
[20:14] tlack: ag4ve: can you try it and see if it works?
[20:14] ag4ve: tlack: yep
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[20:15] tlack: ag4ve: i cant remember exactly what i fixed so you're my guinea pig. first here's my test code
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[20:16] tlack: ag4ve: here's my test https://gist.github.com/2174537
[20:16] tlack: ag4ve: try that out
[20:16] Sixnet: native module calling same context JS... possible?
[20:16] tlack: ag4ve: in views/ make index.dust and just put whatever in it
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[20:17] ag4ve: tlack: views - that's what i'm doing now :)
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[20:20] tlack: actually using that fork of dust and stock dust-x it worked for me. on windows i had to tweak it a bit.
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[20:23] ag4ve: tlack: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/188566
[20:23] ag4ve: oh, haven't tried the fork of dust you pointed to
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[20:24] tlack: yeah, use the dust fork to fix that.. dust isnt setup for node 0.6
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[20:24] ag4ve: just got the npm-unmaintained-over-a-year-old version
[20:25] tlack: https://github.com/caolan/dustjs/tree/  link again. rename to 'dust' after fetching
[20:25] ag4ve: tlack: you copied over or rm ; cp?
[20:26] tlack: ag4ve: rm cp (ctrl-x ctrl-v)
[20:26] tlack: ag4ve: the contents of that github are exactly what you drop in node_modules/dust
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[20:31] ag4ve: tlack: ah, success :)
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[20:33] ag4ve: using a forked version of dustjs and dust-x..... i feel breakage or massive hackery may be unavoidable of i continue along this path :)
[20:33] tlack: :)
[20:33] tlack: thats the fun of it!
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[20:35] ag4ve: i like the hackery, i dislike the breakage.
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[20:39] ag4ve: tlack: why this: app.register('.dust', dustx/*({})*/)  ... maybe i need to refresh on what express register is doint...
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[20:39] tlack: register tells express what handler to use for a given view extension
[20:39] tlack: that mess toward the right of the line is just a comment cuz originally he was doing app.register('.dust', dustx({}));
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[20:41] disappearedng: Hey if I have a file that is getting too big, can I split a class definition into two files? 
[20:42] tlack: disappearedng: you could merge all the 'exports' together at the end i guess, yeah.. seems weird though. maybe time to rethink the class's scope
[20:42] ag4ve: oh, so in the original, i guess you wouldn't have been able to do res.render( 'index', { foo : "bar" } ); ?
[20:43] disappearedng: Well I am currently doing something like this MyClass.prototype.foo = function... and there's too many functions here already  tlack
[20:43] tlack: ag4ve: i dont know really. i think he had to do some trickery to get the async/streaming templates to work. anyway, its fine without it
[20:44] ag4ve: tlack: thanks again
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[20:44] tlack: disappearedng: i think you should be able to do part_b = require('./myclass-b'); for (var i in part_b) { MyClass.prototype[i] = part_b[i] }
[20:44] munro: lol
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[20:44] disappearedng: Well technically they are all .prototype functions
[20:44] disappearedng: I guess I can have a file that just imports from all of these 
[20:44] disappearedng: ah this is a mess
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[20:51] domo1: I'm receiving this error every so often when using http.get Error: socket hang up
[20:52] domo1: where can I handle it so it doesnt cause my script to end?
[20:52] domo1: on error event?
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[20:56] bnoordhuis: domo1: yes
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[21:03] mansoor: Is there a maximum size length to an array for inserting into Mongodb using the native driver?
[21:04] mansoor: I have a ver _LARGE_ array but it isn't going through :(
[21:04] mansoor: although it does on smaller arrays
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[21:10] vdemedes: Hello
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[21:10] daleharvey: anyone got a favourite cors proxy?
[21:11] vdemedes: I want to require module 2 times, but I don't want to use cache for it, so it will be loaded twice, rather than once
[21:11] vdemedes: How can I clear the require()'s cache?
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[21:11] Venom_X: mansoor: a doc maxs out at 16mb by default
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[21:12] vdemedes: ah, found it
[21:12] mansoor: Venom_X, right, I am trying to bulk insert multiple documents at once
[21:12] vdemedes: sorry
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[21:12] mansoor: and thye are, individually very small. but togather they do exceed 16mb
[21:14] Venom_X: mansoor: ah, sorry. Don't know. Maybe ask the driver author.
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[21:15] mansoor: :S its atleast 10k i'll just break up my data to that ammount
[21:15] mansoor: tnx Venom_X 
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[21:17] Venom_X: mansoor: maybe check out https://github.com/christkv/node-mongodb-native/blob/master/lib/mongodb/collection.js#L85-92
[21:17] mansoor: i looked but didnt' find anything
[21:18] mansoor: its fine i'll just break up my data
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[21:27] johnmdonahue: I have an app sitting behind a firewall/iptables without direct web access and I need a safe way for it to call external APIs over https without exposing the app itself. My thought was to create temporary connections as needed over a port given special access: open > make request > close. Or maybe spawn curl or http-proxy and specify port? Any ideas? Am I going about this in the wrong way altogether?
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[21:32] johnmdonahue: is that a question better suited for the google group, stackoverflow or elsewhere?
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[21:40] daniel: i remember seeing a library recently, did text characterization, string comparison etc... forgotten the name
[21:40] daniel: it was posted to HN
[21:40] daniel: can anyone remind me?
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[21:40] konobi: natural
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[21:41] daniel: konobi: ta
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[22:08] panosru: Hello, is there a way to set a variable application-wide? For example I use underscore everywhere and it is really annoying to require it everywhere or pass it everywhere
[22:08] TooTallNate: panosru: global._ = _
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[22:08] panosru: TooTallNate: so easy... :P Thanks a lot!
[22:09] TooTallNate: but really, 1 require call at the top of each file isn't such a big deal :p
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[22:09] TooTallNate: and globals are generally frowned upon
[22:09] panosru: TooTallNate: yeah but in my case I use underscore with underscore.string and it's not 1 or two requires is a bit more code in order to mix underscore with underscore.string
[22:10] TooTallNate: in my book, as long as it's part of your final application, and not a reusable module, then it's ok
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[22:12] tlack: daniel: https://github.com/NaturalNode/natural ?
[22:13] daniel: tlack: yeah, that's the one. konobi also got it
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[22:16] tlack: sorry about that :)
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[22:21] daniel: don't be, thanks :)
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[22:22] Cheery: how do I change user in node.js?
[22:22] tlack: change user?
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[22:23] Cheery: oh that way
[22:23] bnoordhuis: Cheery: process.setuid()
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[22:23] Cheery: I wonder can I change it such way that the listeners stay open while the program cannot really do much anything else after that?
[22:23] Cheery: without having a stub user
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[22:30] isaacs: > eval('{}+[]')
[22:30] isaacs: 0
[22:30] isaacs: > eval('({}+[])')
[22:30] isaacs: '[object Object]'
[22:30] isaacs: > eval('+[]')
[22:30] isaacs: 0
[22:30] isaacs: MT: 
[22:30] isaacs: MT: ^
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[22:34] Cheery: can't know whether I've been this happy to long time.
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[22:35] tlack: Cheery: general node bliss?
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[22:41] MT: I have a question for you guys. When I do {} + [] in chrome console, I get 0 as the result.
[22:41] tlack: lol
[22:41] MT: But when I do the same on node repl, I get, [object Object]
[22:41] MT: can you tell me why there is a change in the behavior?
[22:42] bradleymeck: isaacs: can you think of a situation when node-waf would not generate the .node under build/default or build/Release?
[22:42] bradleymeck: *without being configured
[22:42] isaacs: MT: scroll up a bit to where i answered your question ;)
[22:42] isaacs: MT: the node repl wraps the line in parens to force it to be an expression if it starts with {
[22:42] isaacs: MT: '{}+[]' is not "object plus sign array"
[22:43] isaacs: MT: it's "code block, array casted to Number"
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[22:43] isaacs: MT: '({}+[])' is 'object plus array'
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[22:43] MT: Got it. Now it makes sense. I am sorry I didn't see your answer earlier.
[22:43] isaacs: MT: which casts both to string, becoming: '[Object object]
[22:43] Cheery: tlack: http://boxbase.org/ether/ <- this is why I'm happy. :)
[22:43] isaacs: ' + [].join(',')
[22:44] Cheery: tlack: one of the first actual projects I've made that may become something.
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[22:46] tlack: Cheery: so this is just a shared code editor? i was hoping the [Link] was clickable and definable :)
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[22:47] Cheery: tlack: ^^ I'm not the amazing spiderman. I've got limits.
[22:47] tlack: still cool tho dont mean to undermine you :)
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[22:47] Cheery: (just kidding)
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[22:47] Cheery: well were more interested about the shared code editor and making it simple as possible.
[22:47] yaymukund: tlack: sure it is. you can log in! Just enter your password...... ;)
[22:48] Cheery: I partially succeeded.
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[22:52] yaymukund: Cheery: I like the autoindent.. nice little touch. looks pretty cool
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[22:53] yaymukund: I am doing something similar technically, but not a text editor
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[22:57] Cheery: yaymukund: the autoindent is a feature in codemirror. it leaks through the interface I did.
[22:57] Cheery: yaymukund: good property so no problem there.
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[22:59] Cheery: yaymukund: what are you planning for?
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[23:17] yaymukund: Cheery: sorry, went afk. I'm doing a realtime poetry app
[23:18] deoxxa: yeah, check check it, poetry on the record, res-dot-send 200 your shit is def kid
[23:19] yaymukund: hahaha pretty much
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[23:21] Cheery: yaymukund: oh. okay.
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[23:21] Cheery: techniques I used can be adapted for about any software that edits something.
[23:22] meelash: I have what may be a noob question :) - I'm making a request that looks like this: 
[23:22] meelash: request.open('GET', "http://lakjsdflkjasld:asdf@127.0.0.1:1337/som/e/stuff?some=1&other=1&stuff=1", true)
[23:22] meelash: on the server, the request.url string only has '/som/e/stuff?some=1&other=1&stuff=1' ?
[23:22] meelash: so how can I get the the auth, hostname, etc… that url.parse gives me?
[23:22] yaymukund: Cheery: I will def. look through the source when I have a chance.
[23:22] Cheery: the real meat is in the combinators that work on changesets.
[23:23] Cheery: yaymukund: if there's something unclear when you pass through it.. please let me know.
[23:23] deoxxa: meelash: it's in the req object
[23:23] disappearedng: Hey any recommendations for preventing race conditions
[23:23] Cheery: yaymukund: it sort of has the same goal as what etherpad-lite has - that is spreading the idea of synchronised editing.
[23:23] deoxxa: meelash: console.log(req) and you'll find it scattered over a few different keys
[23:23] danzajdband: meelash check req.headers
[23:23] Cheery: yaymukund: I figure making it simple is the best way to do so.
[23:24] danzajdband: request.headers
[23:24] disappearedng: I am getting race conditions not from nodejs, but from nodeunit 
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[23:27] meelash: sorry, I see req.headers has the hostname, but not the auth - did a search for lakjsdflkjasld and didn't find it
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[23:28] danzajdband: req.session
[23:28] danzajdband: maybe the best option is to explore with console.log(req)
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[23:30] meelash: thanks @danzajdband , but I console.log'ed it and it doesn't have a session property
[23:30] danzajdband: so you are not keeping a session variable
[23:31] danzajdband: are you using a framework like axpressjs?
[23:31] danzajdband: expressjs
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[23:32] meelash: nope, I'm just doing a simple little test
[23:32] yaymukund: Cheery: definitely, especially with node.
[23:32] meelash: just wrote a client-side script and a little server
[23:32] yaymukund: Cheery: I feel like simplicity counts twice when it's async
[23:33] danzajdband: cna you post your code?
[23:33] yaymukund: meelash: can you post a gist?
[23:33] yaymukund: jinx
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[23:34] danzajdband: please
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[23:35] meelash: yep, here's the relevant parts: https://gist.github.com/2176390
[23:36] meelash: sorry, that's not it on the client-side
[23:36] yaymukund: session isn't available client-side, I don't think.
[23:36] meelash: now it is: https://gist.github.com/2176390
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[23:44] yaymukund: meelash: request.headers?
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[23:45] meelash: @yaymukund  nope, request.headers doesn't have the user:pass data
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[23:49] meelash: ah, so if I set a header myself, I can get it back… cool
[23:49] meelash: thanks for the help
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[23:51] yaymukund: meelash: sorry, I think headers has host, but yeah I'm not sure.
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[23:59] synesp: I created a socket server to listen on a unix socket. how can I make sure the permissions are set properly on the file?