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[00:00] kenperkins: so is anyone deploying modules in production using npm directly?
[00:01] CIA-19: node: 03Nathan Rajlich 07master * r928ea56 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): events: don't delete the listeners array in removeListener() - http://git.io/e0O4Ig
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[00:04] tonymilne: Anyone know how to handle text/xml posted directly to an express server? (i asked in Express channel, hoping wider audience might know)
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[00:05] totallymike: tonymilne: try one of the xml parsers?
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[00:05] tonymilne: i don't really need to parse the xml yet, i just need the data that is in the request, can't seem to get at it just yet.
[00:06] tonymilne: (xml parsing code is already written, but i did it assuming they'd attach an xml file, not just post xml directly)
[00:07] CIA-19: node: 03Charlie McConnell 07master * rc7b8073 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[00:07] CIA-19: node: child_process: Separate 'close' event from 'exit'
[00:07] CIA-19: node: Currently, a child process does not emit the 'exit' event until 'close' events
[00:07] CIA-19: node: have been received on all three of the child's stdio streams. This change makes
[00:07] CIA-19: node: the child object emit 'exit' when the child exits, and a new 'close' event when
[00:07] CIA-19: node: all stdio streams are closed. - http://git.io/cK0OKg
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[00:10] totallymike: tonymilne: All I'm saying is an xml parser may be what you want fro extracting the data
[00:10] totallymike: for*
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[00:10] tonymilne: totallymike thanks
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[00:10] Phoenixz: ryanrolds_w: problem solved!         PassengerEnabled off does the trick...
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[00:17] ryanrolds_w: Phoenixz: Nice.
[00:17] ryanrolds_w: Phoenixz: In a apache conf?
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[00:22] CIA-19: node: Previously this was basically hard-coded for *.js files, but now we
[00:22] CIA-19: node: need to include the 'config.gypi' file in there as well. - http://git.io/erTIZg
[00:22] CIA-19: node: 03Nathan Rajlich 07master * r95fd517 10/ node.gyp : node.gyp: include the config.gypi file in the js2c inputs list - http://git.io/dAGiHg
[00:22] CIA-19: node: 03Nathan Rajlich 07master * r11d8823 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[00:22] CIA-19: node: process: add `process.config`
[00:22] CIA-19: node: This is the JS representation of the `config.gypi` file that was used when
[00:22] CIA-19: node: compiling node. With this information, you can tell whether the current node
[00:22] CIA-19: node: binary has shared or static dependencies, or any other configuration options
[00:22] CIA-19: node: that may have been used. - http://git.io/5IICCg
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[00:22] CIA-19: node: Now that the node_prefix is available from within node, we can use it :) - http://git.io/yVFMYA
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[00:33] sammmy: Why is it that Express seems to catch some thrown errors, but other, more deeply nested errors in callbacks are not captured and sent to the browser?
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[00:38] TooTallNate: sammmy: express does a try/catch around your middleware
[00:38] TooTallNate: but that only catches top-level errors
[00:38] TooTallNate: anything async will need to be caught manually and passed to next(err)
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[00:40] sammmy: TooTallNate: how do you catch errors that are in a callback?
[00:41] TooTallNate: sammmy: well usually you would have some callback with function (err, result) {}
[00:41] TooTallNate: so: if (err) return next(err)
[00:41] TooTallNate: is a common thing to do
[00:41] sammmy: But where do I get next?
[00:41] TooTallNate: it's the third argument to any middleware
[00:41] TooTallNate: req, res, next
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[00:43] totallymike: sammmy: you just call next whenever you want the next middleware (get, put, whatever) to handle the request
[00:43] sammmy: I see. And the err passes along to each middleware. What happens if there are two errors, one in each middleware?
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[00:44] TooTallNate: sammmy: once you next(err), then only "error handling" middleware will be invoked for the remainder or the request
[00:44] TooTallNate: that is, middleware with 4 arguments defined
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[00:45] TooTallNate: example:
[00:45] TooTallNate: err, req, res, next
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[00:48] sammmy: TooTallNate: I see. When I use next(err), I get a error http.js:523
[00:48] sammmy:     throw new Error("Can't set headers after they are sent.");
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[00:50] TooTallNate: sammmy: that means you're still calling res.write()/res.end() even after an error has occured
[00:51] TooTallNate: be sure to return from the function after calling next()
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[00:51] jesusabdullah: I don't think you can divide a res.write() by a res.end() ? ;)
[00:51] jesusabdullah: do those even return anything?
[00:51] myndzi: i've got htmlparser and (optionally) soupselect going now, but i need a way to click links / submit forms. anybody know how? is there something that goes good with these modules?
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[00:52] jesusabdullah: k fine returning NaN counts in javascript I guess <_<
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[00:52] sammmy: jesusabdullah: I think he meant 'or'
[00:53] jesusabdullah: sammmy: Oh, that returns `undefined`
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[00:57] TooTallNate: jesusabdullah: i mean "one of those 2", not divide
[00:58] jesusabdullah: TooTallNate: ;)
[00:58] TooTallNate: since both of those functions implcitly flush the headers
[00:58] TooTallNate: :p
[00:59] mapreduce: I'm just starting reading docs, not tried anything out yet, but a question that pops into mind straightaway is.. if one typically listens on the HTTP port from within the node program, can you compose two or more node programs and have them running on the same port as you can with separate PHP clusterf.. programs?
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[00:59] totallymike: I wasn't even aware you COULD have multiple processes listening to a single port . . .
[00:59] mapreduce: You can't.
[00:59] totallymike: That's what I thought.
[01:00] TooTallNate: mapreduce: take a look at the "cluster" module
[01:00] TooTallNate: i think that's what you mean
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[01:01] mapreduce: TooTallNate: It is.  That looks nifty, looks like the child nodes need no changes at all.
[01:02] mapreduce: well, very localised change at startup
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[01:13] CIA-19: libuv: main_proc is never read without having been initialized first but gcc 4.4.x
[01:13] CIA-19: libuv: fails to infer that. - http://git.io/Waz6XQ
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[01:13] CIA-19: libuv: Fixes #72. - http://git.io/Yy0dQw
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[01:17] sammmy: SQL and Node.js is odd together. Maybe that's why most Noders don't use MySQL. Or am I wrong; there are a lot of you using MySQL?
[01:18] Octayn: sammmy: I use sqlite frequently
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[01:18] TooTallNate: sammmy: i think the majority use some nosql solution
[01:18] TooTallNate: like mongo or couch
[01:18] sammmy: I wonder how hard mongo or couch is to pick up coming from a mysql background?
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[01:19] totallymike: sammmy: it's different but not hard
[01:19] Octayn: It's not relational
[01:19] chapel: its worth checking out
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[01:19] sammmy: I see. So it'll take some time to go up the learning curve for that?
[01:19] chapel: even if you don't use it, its good knowledge
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[01:19] sammmy: I checked it out before.
[01:19] totallymike: sammy http://books.couchdb.org/relax
[01:19] TooTallNate: sammmy: i'd say the learning curve is very minimal
[01:20] chapel: its really easy to get into
[01:20] sammmy: however, I remember that one store about foursquare's mongo database failure...how robust is it?
[01:20] chapel: the hard part is figuring out how to architect your data
[01:20] Ond: It isn't; mongo is crap
[01:20] rummik: 
ACTION should probably look into some new databases

[01:20] totallymike: Which isn't much different from the challenges of SQL databases.  They both require their own modes of thinking.
[01:20] sammmy: chapel: that's the hard part in MySQL too (sometime), although SQL can be a pain at times too.
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[01:21] saml: hey, how easy is it to write an extension (C++)
[01:21] totallymike: sammmy: get you some docs
[01:21] TooTallNate: sammmy: nosql is nice because altering your models (tables) doesn't usually require any migration
[01:21] totallymike: derp
[01:21] totallymike: saml get you some docs
[01:21] TooTallNate: saml: not too bad
[01:21] saml: thanks
[01:21] saml: i googled yay
[01:21] TooTallNate: saml: http://nodejs.org/api/addons.html
[01:22] TooTallNate: saml: also check out https://github.com/TooTallNate/node-gyp#readme
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[01:22] sammmy: I just find SQL strings in JS odd. If maybe the SQL was separated in it's own file (like a template file for sql, like ejs for .sql), then I could have syntax highlighting and cleaner looking JS.
[01:22] saml: totallymike, thanks
[01:23] saml: and TooTallNate are you the same perosn?
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[01:23] TooTallNate: same as who?
[01:23] saml: as totallymike 
[01:23] TooTallNate: no, not the same
[01:23] saml: ah thank you both of you
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[01:24] totallymike: Hitting the docs is just good sense ;)
[01:24] sammmy: Also, it would be cool to be able to have multiple SQL statements in a .sql file and have the JS mysql module recognize these statements and process error reporting when thrown by mysql. ;P
[01:24] totallymike: sammmy: sounds like you've got a new project
[01:25] sammmy: YAY!! This would be an awesome module to blow node-mysql out of the water! Sorry, felixge. xP
[01:25] totallymike: I think anybody'd be happy to have a great module.  If you get one going and it's rad, it'll get used.
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[01:26] totallymike: I've never used node-mysql, so I have no idea how great it is.  felixge does good work though
[01:26] TooTallNate: sammmy: no reason not to build something like that on top of node-mysql
[01:26] totallymike: The beauty of it is that it's not tremendously opinionated
[01:27] sammmy: TooTallNate: I might have to build it on top of node-mysql because I couldn't the socket API for the life of me.. -.- (yet)
[01:27] TooTallNate:  sammmy: i promise you don't want to implement the mysql protocol from scratch :)
[01:27] totallymike: heh
[01:28] sammmy: However, I might need to rebuild the whole params API that felixge has going. Check out my issue: https://github.com/felixge/node-mysql/issues/175
[01:28] totallymike: sammmy: that's standard SQL
[01:28] sammmy: I could just layer my templating engine on top of it.
[01:28] CIA-19: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07reviewme * rb2f478e 10/ src/uv-common.c : 
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[01:28] CIA-19: libuv: Fixes the Windows build. - http://git.io/RcA4cQ
[01:28] CIA-19: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07reviewme * r91fa014 10/ (include/uv.h src/unix/error.c src/win/error.c): 
[01:28] CIA-19: libuv: Add UV_ENOSPC and mappings to it
[01:28] CIA-19: libuv: Closes GH-337 - http://git.io/nFvQBA
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[01:29] totallymike: ? params is how you prepare a statement
[01:29] TooTallNate: sammmy: i see. as a workaround can't you just pass the value twice?
[01:29] sammmy: totallymike: what standard?
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[01:29] sammmy: TooTallNate: like I said, layer my shit on top of his shit. ;p
[01:29] totallymike: By standard I mean common.  DB2 does the same thing.
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[01:29] totallymike: You prepare a statement with ? placeholders and pass the params in when you actually execute the transaction
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[01:30] sammmy: De facto standard is a lesser standard IMO. XD
[01:30] totallymike: meh.  If it's how the sql engine understands it, then it's standard
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[01:30] totallymike: ask the mysql docs
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[01:31] sammmy: You mean this was apart of the SQL API. Didn't know that.
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[01:31] totallymike: Yes.
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[01:31] CIA-19: libuv: Add UV_ENOSPC and mappings to it
[01:31] CIA-19: libuv: Closes GH-337 - http://git.io/nGc-0g
[01:31] sammmy: Regardless, I will still need a templating engine for my .js.sql files or whatever extension I call them.
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[01:31] totallymike: "SELECT * FROM TABLE1 WHERE BURGLE = ?"
[01:31] totallymike: execute('foo')
[01:31] totallymike: ^ pseudo-code
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[01:32] sammmy: I see. Can ? be escaped \? ?
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[01:32] CIA-19: libuv: Add UV_ENOSPC and mappings to it
[01:32] CIA-19: libuv: Closes GH-337 - http://git.io/Hkxhuw
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[01:33] totallymike: but that's the gist of it.  You pass the query to the db server, and it doesn't run it, but it can figure out how to map the query.  Then when you execute it you pass in the params and it goes to town
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[01:33] sammmy: I see.
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[01:34] totallymike: It seems that felixge's params are in fact NOT prepared statements, but they work the same way.
[01:34] sammmy: How did PHP get around this ? thing, or was it always there and I never noticed?
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[01:34] totallymike: question mark placeholders
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[01:34] sammmy: yes question mark placeholders.
[01:35] totallymike: That was just a follow-up to my previous statement.  I'm looking into mysqli, it's been a few years since I've used it.
[01:35] totallymike: Yeah mysqli uses ? prepared statements too
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[01:35] CIA-19: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r681aa83 10/ include/uv-private/tree.h : Mark rbtree functions with __attribute__((unused)). - http://git.io/ZkzXJA
[01:35] totallymike: You CAN just do "WHERE foo = " . $bar
[01:36] totallymike: or whatever the syntax is, but that eliminates the benefits
[01:36] torvalamo: prepared statements is the way to go
[01:36] torvalamo: leave the escaping and the sanitizing to the database engine
[01:36] chapel: sammmy: why not just write your template thing as a layer over the ? implementation
[01:37] chapel: so you would be able to do $0, $1 and map them
[01:37] totallymike: The template just sounds like over-complication, really.
[01:37] chapel: while directly it would just put the values in the right order, duplicating if necessary
[01:37] sammmy: chapel: that's my conclusion.
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[01:38] totallymike: sammy http://www.php.net/manual/en/mysqli.quickstart.prepared-statements.php
[01:39] totallymike: You can also store procedures, if I'm not mistaken.
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[01:40] totallymike: Which, if you've got a limited set of queries that you're running often, is probably the way to go.
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[01:41] sammmy: Does node-mysql support the :label syntax?
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[01:41] totallymike: I don't know what that is.
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[01:43] sammmy: "SELECT * FROM table WHERE val = :label"
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[01:43] totallymike: Interesting.
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[01:44] sammmy: In mysqli, you just $stmt->bindParam(':label', $value); $stmt->execute();
[01:44] sammmy: error.
[01:44] totallymike: cool
[01:44] sammmy: In mysqli, you just $stmt->bindParam(':label', $value); $value = 'hello world'; $stmt->execute();
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[01:45] totallymike: It doesn't look like he's got prepared statements implemented yet.
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[01:46] sammmy: Yeah, extra cruft to get where you want. But Idk if node-mysql allows for client.query("SELECT * FROM table WHERE col = :label", {label:'cheesecakes'}); Would be cool if it does.
[01:46] sammmy: 
ACTION goes to try it out.

[01:46] westg: argh "Can't set headers after they are sent."
[01:46] westg: what am I doing wrong
[01:46] maxogden: setting headers after they are sent
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[01:47] maxogden: (or, more constructively, trying to write to a response twice or something. hard to tell without code)
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[01:47] CIA-19: libuv: test: fix compiler warnings
[01:47] CIA-19: libuv: * remove unused variables and functions
[01:47] CIA-19: libuv: * replace %llu with %zu when printing size_t variables - http://git.io/lmXPJg
[01:48] westg: https://gist.github.com/2048097
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[01:48] totallymike: Doesn't .send also end the response?
[01:48] westg: I'm posting to /login
[01:48] totallymike: does your mailerFunction try to send stuff back to the response?
[01:49] westg: nope
[01:49] chapel: are you using middleware?
[01:49] westg: it only accesses req.user.name to show in the console on message sent success
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[01:50] westg: https://gist.github.com/2048106
[01:50] AI42: Hi, how should i realize transactions, i'am using postgresql and node module pg, maybe i should use enother module? 
[01:50] westg: just the standard middleware
[01:51] chapel: what about the route declaration ?
[01:51] westg: app.post('/login', routes.loginpost);
[01:51] westg: I have another get which is in routes.js as well and it works fine
[01:52] westg: a get on /
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[01:52] sammmy: Unfortunately, node-mysql doesn't support that goodness. :|
[01:53] totallymike: westg: are you sure only one route is being called?
[01:53] totallymike: or that the correct route is benig called?
[01:54] westg: yea
[01:54] westg: I'm posting to /login from a form on /
[01:54] westg: it worked before
[01:54] westg: but ever since I added the users object to check against
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[01:54] westg: the route goes in a loop
[01:54] westg: on that same error
[01:55] westg: the users is just an array with one object
[01:56] westg: var users = [ { name: 'John', email: 'john@yahoo.com' } ]
[01:56] westg: which is declared right above that exports line
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[01:56] totallymike: I dunno, try wrapping it in a closure?
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[01:58] westg: I think it has to do with this line res.send('You have been authenticated: ' + users[0].name);
[01:58] westg: but I don't see how users[0].name would cause a problem related to this specific error hmm
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[01:59] totallymike: it sounds like something's causing it to loop
[01:59] takumination: hi, anyone can help me with this? i keep getting "Error: write EPIPE at errnoException" and i couldnt find out the reason :(
[02:00] westg: https://gist.github.com/2048121
[02:00] westg: this is the looping error
[02:00] westg: holy crap
[02:00] westg: it's in the mailerFunction
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[02:02] chapel: it could be mailerFunction has an error, and is trying to send it
[02:03] chapel: and because you already res.send, it gives you the headers error
[02:03] AI42: <sammmy> but without transactions everything has no sense, i don't belive! it must be some module that can do this
[02:05] sammmy: AI42: You can do transactions in node-mysql, or more conveniently with node-mysql-queues
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[02:06] AI42: what about PostgresClient
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[02:07] AI42: queues != tansactions
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[02:11] westg: figured it out
[02:12] westg: wasn't passing req to mailerFunction()
[02:12] totallymike: hooray!
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[02:13] vikstrous: Hey guys, how would i go about editing a core module to try to fix a bug? Are the js modules (http specifically) compiled into the node executable? Do I have to recompile every time?
[02:13] westg: thanks totallymike and chapel!
[02:14] totallymike: I rarely serve as much better than a sounding-board, and mostly provide input for my own learning benefit, but I'm always happy to (attempt to) help :)
[02:15] westg: It just seems weird that the error said that it can't set the headers but all i was trying to do was access the req.user object
[02:15] westg: I thought it would only be setting headers for res objects
[02:16] westg: maybe I haven't set up error handling properly
[02:16] sammmy: AI42: Doesn't the node-mysql-queues module use transactions internally?
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[02:17] AI42: dunno it does?
[02:18] sammmy: AI42: idk either. x___x
[02:19] sammmy: AI42: I looked into the source. It looks like it does.
[02:20] AI42: looks like? ))
[02:20] totallymike: lol hashish
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[02:24] totallymike: all right time for bed for this one
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[02:31] sammmy: later totallymike 
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[02:50] sammmy: How does node-mysql handle sql injection?
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[02:53] daniel`: is there a way to list all pending callbacks? (i.e. a way to ask "why is the process still open?")
[02:53] AvianFlu: daniel`, not at present
[02:54] AvianFlu: there's been talk of adding it though
[02:54] daniel`: AvianFlu: OK, thanks
[02:54] daniel`: yeah, seems like it would be very useful
[02:54] daniel`: without it it’s kind of hard to bother figuring out how to close everything properly and just brute force it with process.exit()
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[02:56] daniel`: which can often lead to race conditions
[02:57] daniel`: (i.e., if you do something and then exit, did you really do it?)
[02:57] AvianFlu: there are ways around that
[02:57] AvianFlu: I mean, let's back up a sec
[02:58] AvianFlu: what's your process that's hanging trying to do?
[02:58] munro: hey, is there an event I can listen on when process.stdout resizes?
[02:58] AvianFlu: munro, you mean the window resizes?
[02:58] munro: when process.stdout.getWindowSize() changes :)
[02:58] AvianFlu: munro, in 0.8 there will be something for that
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[02:59] AvianFlu: but not presently
[02:59] AvianFlu: I think I just got added to master in the last day - or it's still pending
[02:59] munro: nice!
[02:59] AvianFlu: that's TooTallNate's country, that stuff
[02:59] munro: I'll just do polling for now
[03:00] munro: TooTallNate won't be able to sleep at night knowing that
[03:00] kvda: Anyone have any experience with Hogan.js under Node?
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[03:00] dfletcher: hi I have a couple quick questions to see if node is appropriate for this project. (1) can it create v8 context from js so eval results don't affect enclosing scope? and (2) is there decent mysql bindings?
[03:00] kvda: I cant' seem to figure out how the partials work.
[03:04] munro: dfletcher: (1) http://nodejs.org/api/all.html#all_vm_runinnewcontext_code_sandbox_filename (2) https://github.com/felixge/node-mysql
[03:05] dfletcher: munro, excellent! thank you.
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[03:07] daniel`: AvianFlu: hmm, it’s doing a bunch of things: it opens a few TCP servers, accepts a few sockets, reads from stdin, opens files, and pipes between those streams
[03:07] AvianFlu: what node version?
[03:08] daniel`: 0.6.6
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[03:08] daniel`: oh, and it starts child processes
[03:09] AvianFlu: hmmm
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[03:09] daniel`: actually maybe just one
[03:09] AvianFlu: try upgrading to 0.6.13... there are various bugs that affect things like this that get fixed
[03:09] AvianFlu: before 0.6.6, stdin wouldn't close if you opened it
[03:09] daniel`: oh, cool
[03:09] AvianFlu: for example
[03:10] AvianFlu: but you're on 0.6.6, so that's probably not your problem
[03:10] daniel`: ah
[03:10] daniel`: I’m doing `process.stdin.pause()` at the end
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[03:11] daniel`: god I love Homebrew
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[03:19] rodyhaddad: if I install node on my mac, and use something like express, on which local link will it be served?
[03:22] kvda: rodyhaddad something like that should be in the express docs
[03:22] Octayn: rodyhaddad: on whichever link the ip happens to be associated with, no?
[03:24] daniel`: AvianFlu: ah, I found it.  I was simply forgetting to kill the child process.  Thanks for your help, and for making me upgrade to 0.6.13 :-)
[03:24] rodyhaddad: er�hm, I think i'm getting a problem cz I also have nginx running
[03:24] AvianFlu: daniel`, nice :D
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[03:30] rodyhaddad: got it to work, thx I guess :D
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[03:44] daniel`: AvianFlu: actually, no... sigh, I’d forgotten one place I was still calling `process.exit()` so now I’m back to square one again: can’t find anything left to close and my process is still running
[03:44] AvianFlu: are the children?
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[03:46] daniel`: yeah, I’m only starting one child process and it gets killed; I double checked against `ps`
[03:47] sh1mmer: are you listening for kill signals?
[03:47] daniel`: sh1mmer: yeah, SIGINT
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[03:48] sh1mmer: and you process.exit() on SIGINT?
[03:48] daniel`: I have to stop listening for SIGINT?
[03:48] daniel`: yeah, but I’m not sending SIGINT
[03:48] sh1mmer: hm
[03:48] sh1mmer: could be a bug
[03:49] daniel`: ok, I’ll divide and conquer it later; thanks
[03:49] AvianFlu: yeah, a SIGINT listener keeping the process alive is definitely not ideal
[03:50] daniel`: oh let me try if that helps
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[03:50] AvianFlu: if that's what's doing it, I suggest opening a node issue
[03:50] sh1mmer: yeah that seems a little wrong
[03:50] AvianFlu: that doesn't seem like the kind of thing that should keep the process up
[03:50] sh1mmer: I'm just guessing
[03:51] daniel`: nope, didn’t help; let me try that in a separate file
[03:52] sammmy: It's annoying that I can't set a breakpoint in my module node-inspector because my module hasn't been required yet. x__x
[03:52] daniel`: no, `process.on("SIGINT", function () {})` exits in 0.6.13
[03:53] sh1mmer: sammmy: you can add breakpoint commands
[03:53] sh1mmer: sammmy: or you can do debug-brk
[03:53] sh1mmer: and break after the require
[03:53] sh1mmer: you'll need to refresh the node-inspector window to get an updated list of files
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[03:54] sammmy: sh1mmer: refreshing doesn't help.
[03:54] sammmy: how do I add a command?
[03:54] sh1mmer: in the source
[03:55] sammmy: what's the method?
[03:55] sh1mmer: it's just breakpoint
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[03:55] AvianFlu: daniel`, look around in your code for event listeners that you should maybe be removing... stuff like that
[03:55] AvianFlu: somewhere, there's a callback pending, most likely
[03:55] sammmy: sh1mmer: you mean like, breakpoint;?
[03:55] sh1mmer: yes
[03:56] AvianFlu: any timers in your app?  there have been various weird event loop issues with them at various points
[03:56] daniel`: yeah, I’m combing through it another time now
[03:56] sammmy: weird. That doesn't seem like valid JS. (it is but it doesn't do anything)
[03:56] sh1mmer: sammmy: however, I would say that you can just run with `node debug-brk script.js`
[03:56] sh1mmer: and then add the require
[03:56] sammmy: breakpoint; is more flexible. ;P
[03:56] sh1mmer: no, really it's not
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[03:59] sammmy: sh1mmer: it's saying breakpoint defined.
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[04:02] daniel`: AvianFlu: if I get an "end" event, that means I don’t have to worry about that stream any more, right?
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[04:02] AvianFlu: daniel`, correct
[04:02] AvianFlu: when possible, use stream.pipe, it handles all that for you
[04:02] AvianFlu: i.e. pipe from a stream to a stream
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[04:03] _numbers: what's a good way for my php app to communicate to my node.js socket.io server?
[04:03] _numbers: i want to push event notifications from php to node.js
[04:04] Octayn: _numbers: open a local domain socket or use pipes or a local tcp socket
[04:04] sammmy: sh1mmer: I was talking about the node-inspector tool, just fyi.
[04:05] _numbers: Octayn: have been trying that. even read socket.io protocol. but it looks like it works kind of like php, requiring php to accept connections back on random ports. kind of complex
[04:05] _numbers: although i guess there's nothing wrong with putting express on the node.js app and then just do regular HTTP POST to it
[04:05] daniel`: AvianFlu: yeah, I’m doing stream.pause(); stream.on("error", ..); stream.on("end", ..); ..; stream.pipe(other); stream.resume()
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[04:06] Octayn: _numbers: err, what. if using a socket from php is complex then they have failed epicly
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[04:07] _numbers: Octayn: well for example, i can open a connection to the socket server using netcat
[04:07] _numbers: Octayn: but the communication is something like this http://hastebin.com/hotamupiyo.sm
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[04:08] _numbers: thats smashed up notes from reading the protocol doc on github wiki and what i intercepted with wireshark
[04:08] _numbers: but you get the idea. have you tried what you are recommending?
[04:08] Octayn: that looks like one of  socket.io's fallback protocols, not real websockets
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[04:08] Octayn: _numbers: http://php.net/manual/en/function.fsockopen.php
[04:10] sammmy: Why don't errors show me the file and line number where the error occurred all the time?
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[04:22] daniel`: AvianFlu: YES, got it! :D I wasn’t closing one server properly due to a typo
[04:22] AvianFlu: there you go
[04:22] AvianFlu: it's always something
[04:22] AvianFlu: if it's not one thing it's another thing.
[04:23] daniel`: thanks again for help and encouragement :-)
[04:23] AvianFlu: np
[04:23] daniel`: yeah...!
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[04:27] _numbers: is there a shorter way to write this
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[04:28] _numbers: io.of('/auction').socket.broadcast.to('auction-123').emit('bid', req.body);
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[04:47] BRampersad: hey guys
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[05:35] shanebo: hey guys is it possible to do concurrent curl calls on a local app?
[05:35] Octayn: why not?
[05:35] yawNO: use ab
[05:35] shanebo: Octayn, I don't know how
[05:36] shanebo: yawNO, what's ab?
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[05:41] yawNO: shanebo: apache benchmark
[05:45] shanebo: yawNO, yeah i was looking at that… looks way over my head. any idea how to curl concurrently?
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[05:58] Ond: Yes
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[06:01] farhad2161: hi,is there any free pdf or ebook for start learning node.js ?
[06:02] Octayn: farhad2161: do you know javascript?
[06:02] farhad2161: yeah
[06:02] farhad2161: Octayn: yeah
[06:02] Octayn: farhad2161: then you shouldn't have a problem with node at all, there isn't much to it really. check out http://nodemanual.org/latest/
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[06:04] farhad2161: Octayn: thanks a lot
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[06:09] anubhaw: what is max memory limit for a node process on 32bit machine ? 
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[06:10] benvie: ominous question is ominous
[06:10] benvie: a gig
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[06:10] benvie: by default anyway, isn't that the max for v8? you can change it
[06:11] benvie: not that you can go multiples higher with 32 bit
[06:12] anubhaw: I tried setting setting --max-old-space-size more than 700mb . node proces fails to start
[06:12] benvie: think you're missing another setting
[06:13] benvie: node --v8-options has all the possibilities, looking to see
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[06:17] benvie: hah --testing_prng_seed (default: 42)
[06:17] benvie: yeah I don't see it but I know there's an option
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[06:18] fluk3: Hi everyone!  Does anyone work with node.js on windows and has needed access to odbc?
[06:19] anubhaw: yeah I couldn't find either. I did quick googling and almost all the places people refer --max-old-space-size flag for increasing mem limit 
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[06:19] benvie: I can say the 32bit thing shouldn't impose a specific problem since almost all uses of it are 32bit
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[06:23] anubhaw: well but 500mb upper limit on mem is a bit less, I don't know how do I work around this. My application does need more than 500mb memory in some cases. 
[06:24] benvie: http://code.google.com/p/v8/issues/detail?id=847
[06:25] benvie: which yeah
[06:25] benvie: mentions the same flag as you said, if you can't even hit a gig then no idea
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[06:26] anubhaw: yes I can't set it to more than 700mb and I am running node 0.6.6
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[06:27] benvie: simplest thing I'd say is check if that varies with a newer version of node (even if just to test)
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[06:27] benvie: so elimitate a version issue
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[06:28] benvie: node is under very heavy development so even that amount of difference could have an impact despite there being binary compabilitity
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[06:31] anubhaw: I think I have the latest version . there have been minor version released after that but this was fixed long back
[06:31] benvie: yeah that issue isn't something I'm aware of being changed
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[06:33] benvie: but I know 0.6.6 isn't the latest and there's been a lot of development. Latest is 0.6.13 and 0.6.6 is around a month and a half? old (with the last month seeing a lot of activity)
[06:33] benvie: http://nodejs.org/dist/
[06:34] benvie: er scratch that
[06:34] benvie: 0.6.6 is 4 months old
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[06:42] sammmy: does app.listen have to be after route method calls?
[06:43] Testerski: how can I read bytes from opened file by calling a function out of fs.open's scope ?
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[07:02] tonymilne: Does anyone know how to pass input from stdio into a node app?
[07:03] tonymilne: *i mean stdin
[07:03] tonymilne: 
[07:03] tonymilne: (lol, or whatever i mean!)
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[07:11] simenbrekken: tonymilne: http://stackoverflow.com/search?q=read+from+stdin+node.js
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[07:37] tablackmore_: I'm haveing problems deploying a socket.io server. All works locally. When I deploy it I end up in an endless longpolling loop. example:http://chatty.socket.arctictiger.com/
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[07:39] EhevuTov: tablackmore_, you might be having a web socket issue with your server
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[07:43] tablackmore_: Any suggestion as to the lind of issues? I can see from the server log that I connect respond with what I should,and then I get a warning that client is not handshaken and should reconnect
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[07:55] disappearedng: anyone here uses node-http-proxy? https://github.com/nodejitsu/node-http-proxy/issues/211 the wiki says that node-http-proxy supports web socket but then it doesn't appear to be the case here 
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[08:07] maxogden: tablackmore_: nice kitten background
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[08:08] maxogden: tablackmore_: looks like an nginx configuration issue
[08:09] maxogden: tablackmore_: also how is sweden lately
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[08:10] mmalecki: disappearedng: this is wrong. I'll comment on the issue
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[08:10] tablackmore_: maxogden_: Hi thanks for the tip. Been googling like a mad man
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[08:11] tablackmore_: maxogden_: Sweden is cool, litterally, but warming slowly
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[08:12] tablackmore_: maxogden_: Hope life on the other side of the pond is good. Shame about the nginx problem. I'm on a hosted server and nginx is out of my control. Will have to look for different hosting.
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[08:14] disappearedng: mmalecki: I think I was wrong 
[08:14] benvie: sweden is multiple ponds away
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[08:15] Ond: Mere puddles
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[08:16] tablackmore_: benvie_ ok ok, but if you were a fish you could swim all the way with out having to cross land.¨
[08:16] benvie: unless I was bad at being a fish
[08:17] mmalecki: disappearedng: actually, I'll comment on this later, when I'm home
[08:17] benvie: or needed fresh water
[08:17] mmalecki: disappearedng: but it supports node-http-proxy
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[08:17] mmalecki: we successfully run websockets on our platfrom
[08:17] benvie: we need to allow for bad fish
[08:18] Ond: Why's that
[08:18] benvie: cause most fish are bad
[08:18] disappearedng: mmalecki: I dun think it's a problem with websocket
[08:18] disappearedng: chrome didn't fire any problem
[08:18] mmalecki: disappearedng: oh? firefox problem?
[08:18] disappearedng: now I completely edited the question 
[08:18] disappearedng: there's like a 10 second delay for socket.io
[08:18] benvie: unless you don't have a quota then you can be selective
[08:18] Ond: I find most fish to be very well-mannered
[08:19] benvie: oh bad I mean
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[08:19] benvie: ineffectual
[08:19] [AD]Turbo: hola
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[08:19] Ond: At aquatic activities?
[08:19] benvie: yeah, at their activities
[08:20] benvie: the things they do, they do "medium" at best
[08:20] mmalecki: disappearedng: hm, so it falls back to xhr-polling
[08:20] niftylettuce_: any idea why dns.resolve4 is not resolving properly?
[08:20] mmalecki: which is the worst fucking idea ever
[08:20] niftylettuce_: i followed this to clear my cache http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-clearflush-dns-cache-in-ubuntu.html
[08:20] benvie: more likely poorly, or destructivelly
[08:20] mmalecki: disappearedng: I'll take a look at it when I'm home
[08:20] Ond: Example
[08:20] benvie: life
[08:20] benvie: users
[08:20] niftylettuce_: i even tried setting different DNS servers to google's 8.8.8.8 or w/e
[08:21] disappearedng: mmalecki: thanks a lot. Does my code seem problematic? 
[08:21] benvie: don't judge, expect
[08:21] mmalecki: disappearedng: yeah, you shouldn't hack it around just for socket.io
[08:21] mmalecki: this is tricky stuff
[08:21] benvie: user breaks amazing piece of machinery
[08:21] mmalecki: because of fucking cross domain thing
[08:22] benvie: quesrion: why did user break it?
[08:22] benvie: answer: users is a user
[08:22] disappearedng: mmalecki: well my app needs real time communication and I want to use rails
[08:22] disappearedng: lol this is doable 
[08:22] Ond: Perhaps the user had a mental disability
[08:22] benvie: wrong
[08:22] benvie: you designed it wrong
[08:22] mmalecki: disappearedng: yeah, it's doable
[08:23] disappearedng: mmalecki: Oh you are from nodejitsu nice
[08:23] Ond: "Wrong," no
[08:23] benvie: or you didn't place disclaimaitory measurements preventing those users to an adequate degree
[08:23] Ond: Unaccommodating to every disabled shit-flinging mutant on the planet, perhaps
[08:23] benvie: it's ok to leave some by the bus in a blizzard
[08:23] Ond: But that would be an enormous waste of resources
[08:23] benvie: but you need a sign
[08:23] benvie: saying hey, this bus leaves idiots to die
[08:24] mmalecki: disappearedng: yeah. it's an interesting use case, actually
[08:24] mmalecki: I'll look into it when I'm home
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[08:25] benvie: I'm stilling working on my "idiots will die" stuff but for now I just don't let them know I can speak english
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[08:26] benvie: if I knew klingon I could just fake that but for now I'm a mute
[08:26] Ond: What's your native tongue?
[08:27] benvie: english
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[08:27] benvie: to be fair it is 4:30 am and I type on a keyboard with no printed keys on it
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[08:29] niftylettuce_: unsure why, but i keep getting rackspace IP's on dns.resolve4 lookup for ANY domain name, even ones like google.com, https://gist.github.com/c6b96e52bf672f16cfaa
[08:29] niftylettuce_: i've tried rebooting router, clearing DNS cache, changing DNS servers to OpenDNS and Google
[08:30] niftylettuce_: is there something I need to change on my router itself? Linksys
[08:30] benvie: server problem. Bind?
[08:30] niftylettuce_: benvie: ? what do u mean 
[08:30] niftylettuce_: is it my ISP?
[08:30] niftylettuce_: my server works ifne.
[08:30] niftylettuce_: fine*
[08:30] benvie: oh
[08:30] niftylettuce_: if i execute dns.resolve4 on my server, its OK, resolved properly
[08:31] benvie: important bit of info 
[08:31] benvie: caching somewhere, local to yuo
[08:31] benvie: and wrong
[08:31] niftylettuce_: if I do it locally, it gives me results of that gist (e.g. function(err, results)) the array of IP's is the results, the err is null, and the "is domain" just validates that req.body.domain is a domain using node-validator
[08:31] niftylettuce_: how can i figure this out?
[08:31] benvie: got a third place to bound stuff of
[08:32] niftylettuce_: what do u mena
[08:32] niftylettuce_: mean
[08:32] niftylettuce_: "bound"? third place?
[08:32] benvie: all the stuff you did locally, do it through a remote server
[08:32] benvie: and see if it'
[08:32] benvie: it matches your or not
[08:32] niftylettuce_: yeah i just told u above it works
[08:32] stagas: niftylettuce_: did you try rebooting? :)
[08:32] niftylettuce_: stagas: yeah three times
[08:32] benvie: IS THE COMPUTER PLUGGED IN?
[08:32] niftylettuce_: rofl
[08:33] benvie: ok nevermind, I'm spent
[08:33] niftylettuce_: stagas: yea i would clear cache, reboot computer AND router, on every time i changed my local DNS settings to either like default, Google, or OpenVNS
[08:33] niftylettuce_: it was working the other day
[08:33] niftylettuce_: and now its not working
[08:33] niftylettuce_: i didnt change one bit of code
[08:33] benvie: another question
[08:33] benvie: can you get it to work locally?
[08:33] benvie: is that the other stuff or no
[08:34] niftylettuce_: ... what?.... i just explained how it wasn't working locally lol
[08:34] niftylettuce_: and it works on server
[08:34] niftylettuce_: ;)
[08:34] benvie: sorry my assumption is the "other stuff" isn't local
[08:34] benvie: local being a kind of relative term
[08:34] niftylettuce_: what are you talking about other stuff
[08:35] niftylettuce_: here is my route for the whois lookup https://gist.github.com/ae8498c19b04bb9c8940
[08:35] niftylettuce_: works fine on server
[08:35] benvie: another server with the same IP: local or not? same rack, same country etc.
[08:35] niftylettuce_: local returns null, [array of ips]
[08:35] niftylettuce_: its obviously a local issue
[08:35] niftylettuce_: somewhere between myself and ISP
[08:36] niftylettuce_: vs. my server and Linode working fine
[08:36] benvie: sorry! =D just most of these aren't that
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[08:36] stagas: maybe you have a virus
[08:36] niftylettuce_: thats what i thought at first
[08:36] benvie: last answer: "why is my screen filled with viruses"
[08:37] niftylettuce_: b/c why the hell would the IP's be resolving to some rackspace IP's?
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[08:37] benvie: network engineering hoe but I know there's like
[08:38] benvie: loopback stuff. Nevermind I'm quickly going into "zoom in, let me see the pubic hair" mode
[08:38] benvie: zoom in, let me see more detail
[08:39] niftylettuce_: benvie: ??
[08:40] benvie: nevermind
[08:41] niftylettuce_: ok now it is sporadically working
[08:41] niftylettuce_: should I be using dns.resolve4 ?
[08:41] niftylettuce_: wow wtf now its working -.-
[08:41] niftylettuce_: O_O
[08:42] niftylettuce_: i rebooted node instance again after restarting
[08:42] niftylettuce_: :D
[08:43] benvie: I did it with magic
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[08:44] niftylettuce_: benvie.magic.stop();
[08:45] benvie: >> fwogfhuwi9bnfuow'
[08:45] purr: benvie: SyntaxError: Unexpected token ILLEGAL
[08:45] benvie: illegal, the javascript police have been alerted
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[08:53] benvie: I don't think you're special...well I think you're special, but you fall within a bell curve
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[08:55] niftylettuce_: -.-
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[09:12] sammmy: is return the only way to exist out of a function?
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[09:14] icebox: benvie: maybe the bell has a long tail :)
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[09:15] LordMetroid: I just downloaded node-js from https://github.com/aurynn/postgres-js/
[09:15] LordMetroid: How do I install it?
[09:16] LordMetroid: so that I can simply make a require("postgre-pure")?
[09:16] icebox: LordMetroid: I think you should npm to install the module
[09:16] icebox: LordMetroid: *use npm
[09:16] LordMetroid: what is npm?
[09:17] icebox: LordMetroid: node package manager: http://npmjs.org/
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[09:18] icebox: LordMetroid: how did you installed the other modules you have been using?
[09:18] LordMetroid: This is the first module
[09:19] LordMetroid: I just installed node.js
[09:19] LordMetroid: and wrote a few lines to test it and now I want to create an application that interfaces with a database
[09:19] radiodario: LordMetroid: i recommend you go and read the documentation - node.js is notoriously confusing unless you've read the docs
[09:20] LordMetroid: radiodario: I have read the docs quite thoughrally and for a long time. I have had my eye on node.js ever since the first release
[09:20] LordMetroid: But now I actually need to write something in it
[09:21] icebox: LordMetroid: http://drumcoder.co.uk/blog/2011/jan/10/nodejs-phone-book/
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[09:23] LordMetroid: http://pasteit.com/17175
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[09:25] radiodario: LordMetroid: its something i say to everybody, just to be safe :D
[09:25] icebox: LordMetroid: the chaintool on windows is not complete... the module needs to be compiled... and theres is not the compiler in your configuration 
[09:26] LordMetroid: ohh dear
[09:27] LordMetroid: What do I need?
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[09:28] icebox: LordMetroid: visual c++
[09:28] LordMetroid: Do not want
[09:28] LordMetroid: I*ll simply write tcp connections manually
[09:29] LordMetroid: Seems easier
[09:29] Doikor: or just find a pure javascript module
[09:29] LordMetroid: I have one
[09:29] icebox: LordMetroid: or change db :)
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[09:32] radiodario: or use python ;)
[09:32] LordMetroid: NEVER!
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[09:34] icebox: radiodario: related to  the installation and configuration issues, I think there is the same complexity
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[09:35] radiodario: i was just messin
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[09:36] icebox: radiodario: :)
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[09:45] benvie: I runnin for election to the president of javascript
[09:46] benvie: don't throw your vote way away on cheese, vote for me
[09:46] maritz: 
ACTION votes for benvie

[09:47] maritz: 
ACTION hacks voting machines to revert vote and change the vote to yawNO 

[09:47] yawNO: maritz: you goddam mad german
[09:47] maritz: i forgot to ping you tonight, sorry.
[09:48] benvie: this will not be forgotten
[09:49] yawNO: benvie: i'll leave the chair to you
[09:49] benvie: bombs are the way]
[09:49] yawNO: just promise you wont change the name to shim-shim-javascript-president
[09:49] yawNO: or something longer
[09:49] benvie: nothing will change when the bombs land
[09:49] yawNO: well i dont see how
[09:49] yawNO: bombs.. well bomb stuff
[09:50] benvie: bombs full of HUGS and love
[09:50] sammmy: what do you call the post variables passed along with an HTTP post request?
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[09:50] benvie: body
[09:50] benvie: for men
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[09:55] LordMetroid: I hate presidents
[09:55] yawNO: LordMetroid: for president!
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[10:09] benvie: what would LordMetroid do
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[10:10] yawNO: benvie: free ecmasandwiches for everyone
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[10:22] elio_: some knows how to set default values for npm configs?
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[10:24] Cadavre: hello
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[10:27] benvie: npm config set key value
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[10:33] Lumbendil: hi
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[10:35] Lumbendil: anyone here has used the passport module?
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[10:47] nicklas_: So I installed Visual C++ 2010 express
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[10:47] maritz: nicklas_: i'm sorry, my condolences
[10:47] nicklas_: hehe
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[10:53] benvie: I was alerted that someone's computer is on their death bad, so sad. Pass my heartfeld on
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[11:00] AntelopeSalad: are there any performance differences between these? http://pastebin.com/QFJyzeFm (very short snippet of exporting modules)
[11:01] maritz: AntelopeSalad: bench it?
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[11:02] maritz: do note though that it's not as simple as doing a thousand requires in a node.js script since require caches
[11:02] AntelopeSalad: i would have to make a thousand fake methods and then call them 1 by 1?
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[11:47] LordMetroid: So I installed Visual C++ 2010 express
[11:47] LordMetroid: But I still can not do npm install pg
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[11:48] LordMetroid: http://pasteit.com/17178
[11:49] benvie: node-waf
[11:49] benvie: no go my friend
[11:49] LordMetroid: What does it mean?
[11:49] benvie: pg what is that
[11:50] benvie: anyway it needs to upgrade
[11:50] benvie: node-waf is the old build system
[11:50] benvie: thoroughly deprecated
[11:50] benvie: never worked on Windows anyway
[11:50] LordMetroid: ok, what do I do?
[11:50] benvie: this pg module
[11:50] benvie: what is it
[11:51] LordMetroid: postgreSQL
[11:51] benvie: moment
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[11:53] benvie: wow no ones added Windows for this https://github.com/brianc/node-postgres
[11:53] benvie: hmm
[11:53] LordMetroid: GREAT!
[11:54] benvie: question
[11:54] maritz: answer
[11:54] benvie: postgres on Windows, is there like a C header
[11:54] benvie: bindings
[11:54] benvie: something
[11:54] benvie: dll
[11:54] LordMetroid: bindings.cc
[11:54] LordMetroid: that is all
[11:55] LordMetroid: *binding.cc
[11:55] benvie: as I read the code
[11:55] benvie: looks like non-platform specififc
[11:55] benvie: moment
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[12:04] benvie: don't suppose you have a .lib file
[12:04] LordMetroid: What is that?
[12:05] LordMetroid: nope
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[12:06] benvie: got it
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[12:11] benvie: this is so many times harder than you know, but working on it
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[12:13] LordMetroid: I appreciate it
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[12:18] AntelopeSalad: with the native mongodb driver, in the documentation it says .save() is a shortcut to either insert or update -- does that mean it's exactly the same as doing an upsert with the regular mongo CLI?
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[12:20] benvie: it's amazing how hard it is to find headers and libs for commonly use libs on windows
[12:20] maritz: hm, is there an express/connect middleware or sth like that to handle batched API requests?
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[12:32] yawNO: ohai
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[12:34] LordMetroid: benvie: I have not abandoned you
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[12:34] benvie: yeah just been trying to find the stuff required to compile this
[12:35] benvie: and then I hit my head on my keyboard
[12:35] LordMetroid: hehe
[12:35] yawNO: inb4 protect the president
[12:35] benvie: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.3/static/libpq.html this is the area roundabouts of it though
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[12:36] benvie: no one can protect the president from himself
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[12:36] benvie: jackey handey quote "I think a good gift for the president would be a chocolate revolver. But he's so busy you'd have to run up to him to get it to him"
[12:37] yawNO: benvie: i'd shoot the keyboard
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[12:39] benvie: not if it shot you first
[12:39] benvie: and removed you brain for good measure
[12:39] benvie: one flew over the cuckoo's nest
[12:40] benvie: brains ? done : remove brains
[12:40] LordMetroid: lol
[12:40] maritz: wait what? if you have brains, done, if you don't have brains, remove non-existant brains?
[12:41] maritz: i think that'll throw an exception
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[12:41] benvie: yeah you see how well the surgery has helped me
[12:41] benvie: hint: brains
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[12:42] maritz: BRAAINNNNSSS
[12:42] benvie: yeah those are mine
[12:42] benvie: give me
[12:42] benvie: a.) wear canada shirt b.) get free breakfast
[12:43] benvie: c.) don't be from canada
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[12:44] benvie: yesterday I was a giasnt crimson maple leaf lie
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[12:50] wellaware: benvie, where are you from?
[12:50] benvie: not canada
[12:51] wellaware: obviously!
[12:51] benvie: new yoek
[12:51] benvie: hmm
[12:51] benvie: new yorkish
[12:52] wellaware: ah that explains the crazyness :)
[12:52] benvie: not THE ny
[12:52] benvie: well
[12:53] benvie: new york but not new york, new york
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[12:56] yawNO: http://www.nodejs-news.com/nodejs-tech/Nodejs-Socketio-Building-HTML5-game/
[12:56] tuhoojabotti: no
[12:57] tuhoojabotti: I wonder if Socket.io has matured
[12:57] tuhoojabotti: I have a bad feeling about it atm
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[12:57] tuhoojabotti: which could be wrong by now
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[12:59] pity: hello, is there any documentation code style for nodejs and documentation parser, which generates some documentation HTML ?
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[13:02] yawNO: http://www.nodejs-news.com/nodejs-tech/Building-Multiplayer-Game-HTML5-Node-Socketio
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[13:03] tuhoojabotti: pity: I use jsDoc
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[13:03] tuhoojabotti: pity: Example: http://vesq.github.com/cbNetwork-node/doc/index.html
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[13:14] djazz: using websocket module "ws" i can connect to it on "localhost" but not from LAN address or outside, it only accept localhost?
[13:15] djazz: the client says "Disconnected" with code 1006
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[13:15] Cadavre: hmm, I'm having problem with the zlib module
[13:16] tuhoojabotti: djazz: Do you have ports properly forwarded / open
[13:16] Cadavre: I can't compress strings correctly it seems
[13:16] tuhoojabotti: hmm, not LAN
[13:16] Cadavre: I'm trying to communicate with a net-socket to a server which communicates with zlib-compressed strings.
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[13:16] tuhoojabotti: host unreachable
[13:17] Cadavre: I can't decompress the data received and neither can the server I'm connecting to with the strings I deflate
[13:17] Cadavre: can't seem to find what's causing it.
[13:17] djazz: tuhoojabotti: ports are open, but wouldnt affect the LAN :P
[13:17] tuhoojabotti: aye
[13:18] Cadavre: I want the same results as when I use gzcompress in php.
[13:18] tuhoojabotti: djazz: I had similar problem when I ran an http server on a port that was in use.
[13:18] tuhoojabotti: or maybe too low
[13:18] tuhoojabotti: or something
[13:18] tuhoojabotti: I changed the port and it worked
[13:18] djazz: i have other on 8000-8020 interval
[13:19] djazz: changed to 9005
[13:19] djazz: same issue
[13:19] tuhoojabotti: b-but that's over 9000
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[13:19] djazz: yeah?
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[13:20] tuhoojabotti: oh right, port. Not the power level.
[13:20] djazz: :P
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[13:22] djazz: I'll try other websocket module
[13:22] tuhoojabotti: No.
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[13:26] djazz: tuhoojabotti: other module worked
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[13:26] tuhoojabotti: impossibruu
[13:26] djazz: :P
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[13:26] tuhoojabotti: which other module?
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[13:26] djazz: websocker-node
[13:26] tuhoojabotti: :D:D
[13:26] djazz: npm install websocket
[13:26] tuhoojabotti: websucker-node
[13:27] djazz: :P
[13:27] tuhoojabotti: that's an awesome name.
[13:27] djazz: WebSuckerts
[13:27] maritz: is there an express/connect middleware or something like that to handle batched API requests?
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[13:37] hermanjunge: Node uses epoll in linux and kqueue in OSX to be event driven
[13:37] hermanjunge: What libraries uses in windows?
[13:38] tuhoojabotti: Hmm
[13:38] tuhoojabotti: IOCP or osmething
[13:38] tuhoojabotti: something*
[13:39] tuhoojabotti: Yeah
[13:39] tuhoojabotti: IOCP
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[13:40] hermanjunge: tuhoojabotti: IOCP?
[13:40] tuhoojabotti: Yes.
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[13:40] tuhoojabotti: Input/Output completion port
[13:41] tuhoojabotti: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input/output_completion_port
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[13:41] hermanjunge: Excellent
[13:41] hermanjunge: thanks for the heads up
[13:41] tuhoojabotti: np
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[13:42] tuhoojabotti: And it is said to be faster than kqueue or something
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[13:50] BRampersad: hi
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[13:56] madtimber: anyone know how to change the default test timeout in Mocha?   Can't find it in the docs anywhere…
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[14:00] MerlinDMC: madtimber, --timeout xxx in mocha.opts?
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[14:01] BRampersad: hey guys
[14:01] maritz: you like greeting people, don't you? :D
[14:01] maritz: but yeah, hi.
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[14:04] yawNO: i know this shouldnt be the place but
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[14:04] yawNO: what do you guys think of goliath?
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[14:05] BRampersad: meh
[14:07] maritz: i prefer david
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[14:08] benvie: I like wings
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[14:09] yawNO: thank you
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[14:09] BRampersad: i have never tried goliath but it looks interesting
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[14:15] tomasm-: hi, is there any way with nowjs to have multiple windows be identified as the same clientId (something stored in the session), so having multiple windows open to the same node.js server are seen as one, and keeping the windows in sync doesn't involve tracking the list and updating each of them separately?
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[14:17] BRampersad: not sure
[14:17] AAA_awright: tomasm-: I'm not aware of any way to have direct page-to-page communication like that
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[14:19] tomasm-: for now, in my server, I have to keep track of user_id=>[ multiple clientIds ], and broadcast commands via a loop
[14:19] tomasm-: it's kinda like on facebook how having multiple screens open, you see the same chat sessions stay completely in sync
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[14:27] daleharvey: why does node provide synchronous options for operations
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[14:28] daleharvey: like, if they are going to block the event loop, and you 'should' use the async version every time, why expose the sync ones at all, there isnt a context like web workers where it makes sense is there? (unless you do actually spawn new child processes)
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[14:29] deedubs: daleharvey: I use them for run-once utilities, not for apps, f.e. setup tools, CLI batch processing
[14:29] BRampersad: sync versions of functions are good for bootstrapping an app
[14:30] daleharvey: ok cool, that makes sense
[14:30] daleharvey: thanks
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[14:33] AAA_awright: tomasm-: That's how an evented model should work, when you get an incoming event you calculate which clients are affected and send outgoing events
[14:34] madtimber: MerlinDMC: thanks!!
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[14:36] isaacs: munro: You can listen to process.on('SIGWINCH', ...)
[14:36] tomasm-: daleharvey, synchronous functions are also useful when you have to have a bunch of otherwise async functions happen in sequence and nesting callbacks aren't very sensible.... (though nesting callbacks often work out in my case)
[14:36] isaacs: munro: that fires when the window resizes
[14:36] isaacs: munro: you then have to check tty.getWindowSize()
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[14:42] prasak: hey guys, i started playing with node net module and i'm curious about one thing - the callback of socket.send is fired when data is flushed to the kernel buffer. what i need is to have a callback when data is delivered to the other side. is there any way to do it implicitly? i don't want to end up with writing my own acknowledgement mechanism. I thought TCP can do this job for me...
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[14:47] benvie: you'll need a kind of message recieopt
[14:48] benvie: TCP is kind of lower level than that
[14:48] benvie: it ensures delivery on a frame  and whatever basis, not entire message
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[14:52] CIA-19: node: 03Rod Vagg 07master * r6628a3b 10/ doc/api/fs.markdown : doc: fix # links from (and within) api/fs - http://git.io/bF-NpA
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[14:52] CIA-19: node: 03Rod Vagg 07v0.6 * r90b785c 10/ doc/api/fs.markdown : doc: fix # links from (and within) api/fs - http://git.io/SWLC2g
[14:52] prasak: benvie: i see... so that basically means i have to do the "ack job" myself. (i guess somebody's done the job already, i'll try to google something.) thanks
[14:53] benvie: you may be able to utilize an existing thing
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[14:53] benvie: but a lot of times the TCP level is covered below node, at the OS level
[14:53] benvie: all times maybe?
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[14:55] bnoordhuis: prasak, benvie: tcp is stream-based and reliable (add quotes where applicable)
[14:56] bnoordhuis: meaning that you're guaranteed to receive messages in the order you sent them
[14:56] benvie: was the last thing I said true?
[14:56] benvie: about it being often covered by OS?
[14:56] benvie: often/always
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[14:56] bnoordhuis: benvie: yes, if i understand you right - it's the OS that implements the tcp stack
[14:57] benvie: provides the API yeah
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[14:57] benvie: and handles it
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[14:57] benvie: what he was asking for sounds like a way to kind of inject into that level
[14:57] benvie: which really: UDP
[14:57] bnoordhuis: anyway, my point is that that tcp is reliable and ordered, you're guaranteed that either your messages are received or you get an error
[14:58] bnoordhuis: *when* you get that error is another matter though :)
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[14:58] bnoordhuis: so most tcp protocols build something on top that sends acks back and forth
[14:59] bnoordhuis: *tcp-based, i.e. ftp
[14:59] bnoordhuis: also, who broke github?
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[14:59] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: works for me?
[15:00] bnoordhuis: seems to work intermittently
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[15:01] benvie: out of date info but interesting thing I read
[15:01] BRampersad: github is back
[15:02] benvie: was that Steam uses UDP with various custom encryption just to escape automated ISP level filtering of incoming data
[15:02] CIA-19: node: 03Shigeki Ohtsu 07master * r534264d 10/ doc/api/net.markdown : doc: Add condition to emit close event of net.Server - http://git.io/0f5Daw
[15:02] benvie: since it's like the 3rd or 4th largest source of data on the internet, but is highly targeted
[15:02] prasak: ok, that seams really nice. I understand i get error (net.socket emits error) when i send data and something goes wrong. but is there any way i can "connect" that error to the data it corresponds? i guess this is really difficult to find out due to async. nature of node...
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[15:03] prasak: i think i dons
[15:03] prasak: oops
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[15:07] CIA-19: node: Merge remote-tracking branch 'ry/v0.6' into merge-v0.6
[15:07] CIA-19: node: Conflicts:
[15:07] CIA-19: node:  ChangeLog
[15:07] CIA-19: node:  deps/npm/AUTHORS
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[15:07] BRampersad: hi cia-19
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[15:16] mattrobenolt: Anyone have experience with "nock"?
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[15:16] mattrobenolt: Or a dev on nock.
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[15:17] mattrobenolt: pgte: ping
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[15:23] pgte: mattrobenolt: pong :)
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[15:24] mattrobenolt: Yo. :) I had a question/recommendation for nock, but wanted to see if there was a reason why you did it the way it was done before I fork it and add it myself.
[15:24] pgte: mattrobenolt: sure
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[15:24] mattrobenolt: Inside a reply() method, is there a reason why you wouldn't want to supply a callback to build a response based on post vars?
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[15:25] mattrobenolt: Say I want to mock a post to /users/add or whatever, and return {'new_user': 'Matt'}
[15:25] maritz: is there an express/connect middleware or something like that to handle batched API requests?
[15:25] mattrobenolt: Or whatever, based on what I sent. Kind of the ability to do an echo or something similar.
[15:25] maritz: (I'll ask this until someone gives me a module that does this)
[15:26] pgte: mattrobenolt: you want to reply something dynamic and not just fixtures
[15:26] mattrobenolt: Instead of the response always being a fixed arbitrary response. Maybe even render a simple mustache template based on some data.
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[15:26] mattrobenolt: pgte: Yeah.
[15:26] pgte: mattrobenolt: sounds good to me :)
[15:26] mattrobenolt: pgte: Ok, wasn't sure if there was a reason you didn't do that in the first place. :)
[15:26] mattrobenolt: I'll fork it and add it today probably.
[15:27] pgte: mattrobenolt: never really felt the need for it, but now that you mention it, it makes sense :)
[15:27] mattrobenolt: Yeah, haha
[15:27] mattrobenolt: It'd allow maybe dynamic fixtures to be loaded in as well. Say mocking a Facebook API or something.
[15:27] mattrobenolt: Maybe even go a step further and allow routes, Express style.
[15:27] mattrobenolt: Err, Connect, I should say.
[15:28] mattrobenolt: .get('/user/:id').reply(function(id){ … })
[15:28] mattrobenolt: If that's a bad idea, feel free to let me know. I'm new to unit testing with mocking http calls, so if I'm missing something, chew me out.
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[15:28] pgte: mattrobenolt: yeah, I see the usefulness, but maybe the setup would become complex enough that you would need to test it ;)
[15:29] mattrobenolt: Right, haha, you don't want to have to write tests to make sure your test suite is working right. :)
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[15:29] mattrobenolt: Good point.
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[15:30] mattrobenolt: pgte: Have you ever seen the Django test client?
[15:30] pgte: mattrobenolt: yes, that sounds like you are implementing a service inside nock. I would want to capture the interaction and make sure the thing I'm testing does A when the remote thing does B.
[15:31] pgte: mattrobenolt: and not the other way around :)
[15:31] mattrobenolt: Right, haha
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[15:31] mattrobenolt: Django has a clever test client to use for testing http requests. This might be more of an idea for Express rather than nock. Or maybe some type of union between the two.
[15:31] pgte: mattrobenolt: but the function callback makes sense. I'm not sure about the rounting though
[15:32] pgte: mattrobenolt: s/rounting/routing
[15:32] mattrobenolt: Django integrates with the standard unittest framework in Python and provides a client that makes internal http requests to your own app without running a web server.
[15:32] pgte: mattrobenolt: no, I'm not familiar with Django too much
[15:32] pgte: mattrobenolt: yeah, some testing frameworks in node do that
[15:32] pgte: mattrobenolt: expresso does that AFAIK
[15:32] mattrobenolt: In your tests, you can basically do:  self.client.post('/echo', {'foo': 'bar'}), then test against the response from that.
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[15:33] mattrobenolt: Really? Let me check into that.
[15:33] pgte: mattrobenolt: but that's for testing a server, not for testing an HTTP client, which is the use case of nock.
[15:33] mattrobenolt: Now that I think about it, that's not really a nock thing anyways. Nock is intercepting outside http requests. Not internal ones.
[15:33] pgte: mattrobenolt: :)
[15:33] mattrobenolt: Right.
[15:34] mattrobenolt: Good call. Let me fork and add the callback and I'll send a pull request.
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[15:34] loadTestNode: i'm load testing Node 0.6.13 on Red Hat Enterprise Linux Server release 5.6 and I'm getting a 'connection reset by peer' with ab when c 5000
[15:34] loadTestNode: any ideas?
[15:34] mattrobenolt: loadTestNode: ulimit?
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[15:35] mattrobenolt: loadTestNode: Sounds like you're running out of file descriptors on your system.
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[15:35] loadTestNode: bumped ulimit to 65535
[15:36] mattrobenolt: loadTestNode: If I recall, you can set it to the string "unlimited" if you wanted.
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[15:37] mattrobenolt: I don't know if that applies to RHEL though. I'm an Ubuntu/Debian guy.
[15:37] loadTestNode: i'll report back with ulimit set to unlimited :)
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[15:38] pgte: mattrobenolt: great :)
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[15:46] ashishg: is there a way i can let JavaScript execute on the dom using libxmljs?
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[15:49] CIA-19: node: 03isaacs 07master * r4637688 10/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Remove hard-coded version number from docs - http://git.io/3fLaSg
[15:49] CIA-19: node: 03isaacs 07master * r76a771b 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): doc: Remove extraneous index.html's from hyperlinks - http://git.io/yy5jIg
[15:49] loadTestNode: ulimit set to unlimited is not valid
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[15:50] loadTestNode: can't even do a c 2000 w/o getting 'connection reset by peer' from ab
[15:50] loadTestNode: with ulimit set to 1000000
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[15:51] mattrobenolt: loadTestNode: What's the command you're running to set ulimit and how are you running the node server?
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[15:53] loadTestNode: ab -n 10000 -c 2000 http://...
[15:53] loadTestNode: what do you mean by 'how are you running the node server?'
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[15:54] pickels: Trying to run a node server from my home pc but I can't see to be able to access it from the internet. The ip I use is 0.0.0.0 and the port 5555 which is forwarded and not blocked by my firewall (canyouseeme.org shows it open). Anything else I could have forgotten?
[15:54] mattrobenolt: loadTestNode: You're running a command to start Node on the server you're hitting.
[15:54] mattrobenolt: node main.js or whatever.
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[15:55] mattrobenolt: ulimit is bound to the user which is running the application.
[15:55] loadTestNode: mattrobenolt - yes from the command line: node script.js
[15:55] mattrobenolt: Are you using sudo anywhere in this mix?
[15:55] loadTestNode: no
[15:56] mattrobenolt: Then your ulimit probably isn't being set to what you expect.
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[15:56] mattrobenolt: It's default (again, not sure about RHEL) to 1024.
[15:56] mattrobenolt: You can't increase that without setting a higher limit from root.
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[15:56] loadTestNode: so node should be run as root?
[15:56] mattrobenolt: Even doing ulimit -n 100000 isn't going to increase it past 1024 is root says you can't use more than 1024.
[15:57] mattrobenolt: No, you can increase the individual limit.
[15:57] loadTestNode: i checked the ulimit...it's set to 1000000
[15:57] mattrobenolt: What's your output for that?
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[15:57] loadTestNode: open files                      (-n) 1000000
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[15:58] mattrobenolt: I'm not sure then. I'm not a RHEL expert.
[15:58] mattrobenolt: Your problem isn't with Node though, almost positive. You're hitting a system limit somewhere.
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[15:59] loadTestNode: ok mattrobenolt...thank you!
[15:59] mattrobenolt: A socket connection is technically a file descriptor. It's not going to be allowed to accept anymore incoming connections if it can't open another file descriptor.
[15:59] loadTestNode: :)
[15:59] loadTestNode: right
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[16:00] loadTestNode: how many concurrent have you seen max with node?
[16:02] hdon: hi all :) any Sequelize users out there? I can't get Sequelize to work with sqlite3 using examples from the Sequelize site!
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[16:03] AntelopeSalad: random js question that ties into node a bit -- i'm looking at the source code of node and the source code of random people who have made modules (some popular, some not)
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[16:04] AntelopeSalad: in the node source, they seem to stay pretty far away from using object literals for "classes", but in other people's modules they seem to use them a ton -- is this 100% a style preference? maybe the module developers have done more client JS where this format is more common?
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[16:07] stagas: AntelopeSalad: you mean when defining an object or a prototype
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[16:08] AntelopeSalad: i was using this as a ref http://www.phpied.com/3-ways-to-define-a-javascript-class/
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[16:10] stagas: AntelopeSalad: ok, if your object has methods, and you'll be using more than 1 of these, then it's best if you make a constructor
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[16:11] AntelopeSalad: that is why the prototype pattern is much more common in the node source?
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[16:11] mattrobenolt: pgte: It looks like you append the requestBody as part of matching a path?
[16:12] mattrobenolt: Like:  /echo key=val
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[16:12] pgte: yes
[16:12] stagas: AntelopeSalad: it isn't a preference, in case you'd be creating hundreds of objects, then you want them to share the prototype
[16:12] mattrobenolt: pgte: What's the reason for that?
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[16:13] stagas: AntelopeSalad: and also if you'd be inheriting properties etc
[16:13] mattrobenolt: If you're doing that, I guess there isn't a real reason to need to have access to the requestBody from within the callback.
[16:13] pgte: mattrobenolt: to match requests against the respective responses
[16:13] mattrobenolt: You're saying "Only intercept when I pass this specific data."
[16:13] AntelopeSalad: ok i think i see what you mean, thanks
[16:13] mattrobenolt: You know the data being posted.
[16:13] pgte: mattrobenolt: well, right, but you can also change the request body before any matching
[16:14] coderarity: AntelopeSalad: well, if you're only going to have 1 object it's not a big deal if they share methods through the prototype
[16:14] coderarity: like you might not need that
[16:14] mattrobenolt: pgte: How would you do that?
[16:14] pgte: mattrobenolt: by providing a regexp or a callback to .filteringRequestBody I think
[16:14] AntelopeSalad: i think it's making more sense now
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[16:14] mattrobenolt: Oh, hmm, let me look into that.
[16:14] stagas: AntelopeSalad: if it's like config = { debug: true }; there's no point in making a Config constructor for that
[16:15] AntelopeSalad: i was looking through this dude's source code and he uses the literal pattern a lot - example: https://github.com/Raynos/fyp/blob/master/src/modules/io/controllers/post.js
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[16:15] pgte: mattrobenolt: but anyway, you'd still get the chance to reply dynamically
[16:15] AntelopeSalad: it's ok for him to use this here because in this example it's likely there will only be 1 object of that through out the entire app?
[16:15] mattrobenolt: pgte: Yeah, you're right.
[16:15] hdon: AntelopeSalad: it's necessary for function definitions to be defined within the constructor scope if they want to have access to "private" variables (local variable scope of the constructor function) 1.1 in your link uses this. 1.0 and 1.2 are not semantically different.
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[16:15] pgte: mattrobenolt: insert a timestamp on the response or something dynamic you may be wanting to do
[16:15] hdon: AntelopeSalad: except that in 1.0, Apple.prototype.getInfo is undefined, and in 1.2 it is not
[16:16] coderarity: AntelopeSalad: imo, a lot of people make things public that really shouldn't be public, and I'm not sure why... you should read this http://www.crockford.com/javascript/private.html
[16:16] hdon: 
ACTION seconds coderarity's link

[16:16] mattrobenolt: pgte: Right.
[16:18] AntelopeSalad: ok
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[16:18] hdon: coderarity: in languages with formal semantics defining access rules for member variables, it's usually easy to change the access requirements for a member variable (in C++ for instance, you just put public: or protected: (or private:) behind it) but in Javascript it means moving code around a bit more. i think people who design as they go prefer to use public as much as possible to avoid this extra work in case they make design changes that affec
[16:18] hdon: t the accessibility of member variables
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[16:19] mattrobenolt: I need to preserve the original request body then since you alter it before passing it along the chain.
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[16:20] AntelopeSalad: would it be safe to say going by the link i posted...
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[16:20] coderarity: hdon: you could always add a public function or getter/setter to change a private variable to public
[16:21] AntelopeSalad: use 1.2 if you plan to have multiple instances of the object  , use 2.0 if you plan to use them in a static sense?
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[16:21] coderarity: AntelopeSalad: I didn't like the link you sent about 3 ways to define classes because it classifies them into 3 separate ways when you can really use them all
[16:21] hdon: coderarity: that's still more work than just making it a publicly accessible property of your objects. when i am doing experimental work i make very sure that everything is public. it reads very differently than code i plan on reusing in the future!
[16:22] AntelopeSalad: yeah it was just the first google result when i search for class methods in JS :<
[16:22] AntelopeSalad: *searched
[16:22] stagas: AntelopeSalad: yes you're safe that way
[16:22] hdon: AntelopeSalad: what languages do you like before you came to Javascript?
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[16:22] AntelopeSalad: none really, i just screwed around with php and wrote functional but spaghetti code
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[16:23] coderarity: AntelopeSalad: read Javascript: The Good Parts by Crockford
[16:23] hdon: AntelopeSalad: heh well if you are interested in OOP in Javascript (class inheritance etc.) I highly recommend: https://github.com/dfilatov/jquery-plugins/tree/master/src/jquery.inherit
[16:23] coderarity: I just read it and it was really useful
[16:24] stagas: AntelopeSalad: 3 is stupid and 1.1 in some cases you need an instance only version of a function, in addition to the prototype
[16:24] hdon: someone brought that book to my office and said i could read it but it disappeared the next day :(
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[16:24] coderarity: it's actually not really long, it's pretty short and concise, which is nice
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[16:25] hdon: stagas: 3 isn't stupid, it's just fulfills a rare set of needs. it's a singleton with private member variables. how else do you propose doing it? (you don't have to use it as a constructor function, but that is a minor difference.)
[16:26] AntelopeSalad: that jquery code example is making my head explode
[16:26] stagas: hdon: with 2
[16:26] hdon: stagas: in fact #3 is quite similar to the way CommonJS modules have been designed. a module is a singleton with its own private scope. it's defined as a function which yields an object with all of its publicly accessible properties and methods.
[16:26] coderarity: AntelopeSalad: javascript functions are classes isn't too bad of an analogy for beginners, but if you really want to understand it, you should read that book
[16:27] coderarity: as classes*
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[16:27] hdon: AntelopeSalad: well it's only for very serious OOP people :)
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[16:28] coderarity: hdon: exports can be a function, which is like #1 or #2 also
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[16:28] hdon: stagas: "with 2?"
[16:29] Monavie_Girl_Jb: hi
[16:29] hdon: coderarity: heh, i weighed heavily against exports being allowed to be a function in the CommonJS mailing list when the specs were being proposed/criticized. implementation-wise, for non-Javascript language modules (a module written in C or C++ for instance) there were some barriers to that particular "feature."
[16:29] hdon: at least on Spidermonkey
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[16:31] AntelopeSalad: hdon: did you want it to always be declared as module.exports instead?
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[16:31] coderarity: i still don't get the difference between exports and module.exports
[16:31] hdon: AntelopeSalad: err.. i think that distinction i didn't feel strongly about, is imply wanted to ensure that module exports had to be an object, and not a function
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[16:31] coderarity: i just use whichever one seems to work
[16:31] hdon: i* simply*
[16:32] AntelopeSalad: often times both work but it confuses me when i see both together, like: var something = module.exports = exports = wtf = function() { ... }
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[16:32] coderarity: hdon: I don't think the idea of forcing it to be a certain type really fits the spirit of Javascript though
[16:33] dob_: hello guys, how are you handling forms within express? Will I have to implement every field in jade and write my own validator?
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[16:33] coderarity: dob_: I bet there's a module for that
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[16:33] AntelopeSalad: coderarity: this helps us i think -> http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.6/api/globals.html#module (google result on exports vs module.exports)
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[16:33] hdon: coderarity: it does not. it was merely a technical detail of implementing CommonJS modules in Spidermonkey.
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[16:33] dob_: coderarity: me too, but which one should I use?
[16:34] AntelopeSalad: "In particular module.exports is the same as the exports object. See src/node.js for more information."
[16:34] loadTestNode: found the load test issue
[16:34] loadTestNode: was not node
[16:34] AntelopeSalad: so these people using module.exports = exports , is for some type of legacy support?
[16:34] loadTestNode: was able to do c 10000 easy
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[16:34] loadTestNode: with peaks of up to 5k requests per second!
[16:34] loadTestNode: Node SCREAMS
[16:34] loadTestNode: :)
[16:34] hdon: coderarity: were it not for implementation difficulties i would say exports should be able to be anything. an object, a function, a string, a number, a boolean, void 0, etc.
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[16:35] coderarity: dob_: idk, revalidator might work https://github.com/flatiron/revalidator
[16:35] coderarity: hdon: I thought it could be
[16:35] loadTestNode: no ulimit issue either
[16:35] hdon: coderarity: there was a time when the community had not yet made the decision :)
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[16:37] hdon: coderarity: see this one: http://wiki.commonjs.org/wiki/Modules/1.1.1 and particularly this part: http://wiki.commonjs.org/wiki/Modules/ScriptModules
[16:37] stagas: AntelopeSalad: somewhat. exports = module.exports internally. so if you do module.exports = { ... }  then 'exports' will point to the old value, not the one we defined now
[16:37] mafiya: Does anyone know how to get the value of <textarea> on a page? using express
[16:38] hdon: coderarity: if the module factory function provides "exports" as an argument to a function, then you can only manipulate the exports object you have been given a reference to, you cannot tell the caller "i want to use a different value for my module's 'exports'"
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[16:38] AntelopeSalad: stagas: in that, what would be the old value?
[16:38] yawNO: mafiya: name='sm'
[16:38] AntelopeSalad: stagas: in that +sense, what would be the old value?
[16:38] yawNO: then when you submit the form on the controller req.body.sm
[16:38] hdon: AntelopeSalad: the exports object furnished to your module factory function by the CommonJS modules implementation
[16:39] hdon: mafiya: wat
[16:39] AntelopeSalad: and in english that means? lol
[16:39] jocafa: anyone using this? http://projects.jga.me/clientside/
[16:39] stagas: AntelopeSalad: similarly, if you do exports = { ... } then module.exports no longer has the same value as exports
[16:39] hdon: mafiya: if you're submitted a form with a textarea in it, then the name attribute of your textarea will name the HTTP GET or POST parameter you receive on the server when you submit the form
[16:40] stagas: AntelopeSalad: so they're not magic objects, they're simple js variables, and the same rules apply
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[16:41] AntelopeSalad: gotcha, thanks
[16:41] AntelopeSalad: we see exports used in the node source more often than not because back in the day that was the only way to do it -- correct?
[16:42] mafiya: yawNO, hdon: what if im trying to put those vars on a different page, lets say i have page1 with the form and page2, I want to load page2 with the var of the textarea
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[16:43] hdon: mafiya: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5710358/how-to-get-post-query-in-express-node-js
[16:43] coderarity: hdon: so if you want to assign something to to exports you have to use module.exports?
[16:44] hdon: coderarity: ok suppose i create my own "module" system. my module system loads modules by injecting a <script> tag to the DOM. (several do just this.) the script loads code that does something like this:
[16:44] dob_: coderarity: This seems to be validation only. :)
[16:44] stagas: AntelopeSalad: it's just less typing than module.exports.foo and node's modules don't export anything else than properties
[16:44] hdon: coderarity: callFunctionToProvideMyModule(exports){exports.foo='bar'}
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[16:45] coderarity: dob_: yeah, if you want to also generate forms I would look for another library
[16:45] hdon: coderarity: the variable "exports" is only a local variable. only because it is presumed to be a reference to an object can we actually use the argument to "return" things to the caller.
[16:45] stagas: AntelopeSalad: where in your module you can be exporting just a function so module.exports = function foo () { ... }
[16:45] coderarity: dob_: I'm not sure if someone has done that, you should google it
[16:45] stagas: AntelopeSalad: or whatever
[16:46] hdon: coderarity: but we can only do that by manipulating its properties. we can't say "tell the caller that the variable he used to pass us a reference to an object needs to be assigned a different value"
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[16:46] coderarity: hdon: yeah, could you just do it like function() { var exports = {}; exports.foo='bar'; return exports; }
[16:47] AntelopeSalad: stagas: but to export just a function you could also write it like this? exports.foo = function() { ... }?
[16:47] coderarity: hdon: then you wouldn't have that problem
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[16:47] stagas: AntelopeSalad: yes but then you'd be exporting a property/method
[16:47] hdon: coderarity: i am talking about a module system design, however, that does not allow you to return your exports. it must be provided as a parameter to a function. this, again, is just an implementation detail on some javascript platforms when writing a module in C/C++ (or even in other languages)
[16:48] stagas: AntelopeSalad: so you'd need foo = require('foo').foo
[16:48] stagas: AntelopeSalad: where with module.exports = function () {} you'd only use foo = require('foo')
[16:48] hdon: i forget the name of it but there was a lib for Spidermonkey that allowed you to call Python code even :)
[16:48] AntelopeSalad: stagas: yep , or var foo = require('bar'); , then foo.bar()?
[16:48] coderarity: hdon: wait, which language can't return things?
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[16:49] AntelopeSalad: stagas: great, that clears it up perfectly
[16:49] hdon: coderarity: *sigh* it is not a language, it was simply an implementation difficulty on some javascript interpreters. it had mostly to do with garbage collection, and know when a module was no longer being used by the program.
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[16:49] stagas: AntelopeSalad: you can imagine require as this: foo = foo's.module.exports
[16:49] coderarity: hdon: dumb implementors
[16:49] coderarity: lol
[16:50] hdon: coderarity: yeah, well spidermonkey is a much older project than v8, so its developer community has had to put in a lot of work to make up for design shortsightedness in the past :)
[16:50] coderarity: hdon: the tragedies of old code
[16:50] hdon: 
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[17:00] k-s: hi guys
[17:01] k-s: anyone that is experienced in node's usage of 'uv' for event/main loop?
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[17:04] k-s: i mean, 'uv' from the C++ point of view, not the effects on JS
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[17:12] coderarity: k-s: you mean libuv?
[17:13] k-s: yes
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[17:13] k-s: explaining... I'm from EFL project (Enlightenment)
[17:13] coderarity: k-s: it's essentially just the C library behind node.js, so it's event loop stuff is all there
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[17:13] coderarity: its*
[17:13] k-s: and we're trying to build a framework target at developers. Then we choose JavaScript for our "Easy UI"
[17:13] coderarity: k-s: it's pretty much part of the node project
[17:13] k-s: collaborate with node.js would be awesome
[17:14] k-s: but we have our own main loop (ecore)
[17:14] k-s: then we need to integrate it somehow
[17:14] k-s: what I want to know is the best approach to integrate ecore with libuv
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[17:14] coderarity: k-s: I suppose it would replace parts of libuv if you were to put it in the node.js source
[17:14] k-s: it is very similar to what glib (GMainLoop) is
[17:14] coderarity: k-s: you should try #libuv
[17:14] k-s: ah, great. joining it :-)
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[17:30] rektide: what options are out there for heirarchical event libraries?
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[17:34] TooTallNate: rektide: what do you mean by "heirarchical"? like namespaced?
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[18:02] Brandon_R: Hello guys
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[18:04] rektide: TooTallNate: yeah. EventEmitter2 is one example of a heirarchical event library
[18:04] TooTallNate: rektide: ok, well that's what i would have recommended :p
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[18:05] rektide: TooTallNate: is LearnBoost paying you to do node development?
[18:06] rektide: you're not doing node-gyp and node on hobbyist extra hours are you?
[18:06] TooTallNate: i mix and match
[18:06] Brandon_R: doubt it
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[18:06] TooTallNate: i'm always working really
[18:06] Brandon_R: same :P
[18:06] rektide: i'm sympathetic to that notion
[18:06] Brandon_R: working on anything cool tootallnate?
[18:07] rektide: i'm sickly curious what use TooTallNate has found for weak maps.
[18:07] Brandon_R: I still don't get what engine.io is for
[18:07] gk__: Does any know of good solution for have a repl into a running node process
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[18:07] rektide: gk__: fabulous question! don't have anything to offer, sorry, but great q!
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[18:09] TooTallNate: rektide: oh man, hard to explain, but...
[18:09] gk__: It would super useful to able to just login check into the progress and look at its state when things go wrong
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[18:10] TooTallNate: rektide: in short it's so that Objective-C objects in NodObjC can be [release]'d when they get garbage collected in JS-land
[18:10] TooTallNate: rektide: but i actually haven't implemented that yet
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[18:11] TooTallNate: Brandon_R: a short explanation https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/socket_io/cwCtaRexgvM
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[18:11] TooTallNate: Brandon_R: i'm looking for slides from one of guillermo's talks, but i can't find them
[18:12] Brandon_R: Are the talks up?
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[18:12] Brandon_R: i remember guillermo was giving a talk on engine.io at nodeconf. did they record it on video?
[18:12] TooTallNate: it was from some small event a while back, LocalNode
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[18:14] Brandon_R: oh
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[18:16] Brandon_R: here is where i asked if they were recording it and they said yes - https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/nodejs/92cNVaQu-5A
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[18:16] newcode: hello, trying to run less with node, I am getting this error message: http://pastebin.com/QLFJy3tV
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[18:17] Brandon_R: did you add it to the package.json file and run npm install?
[18:17] newcode: Brandon_R: talking to me?
[18:17] Brandon_R: yeah
[18:18] newcode: I ran npm install, did not add it to package,json
[18:18] newcode: is it the problem?
[18:18] isaacs: newcode: what does `npm ls` show?
[18:19] newcode: └── less@1.3.0
[18:20] TooTallNate: Brandon_R: ahh, yes, i forgot they said that. i'm not aware of any videos posted yet
[18:20] Brandon_R: oh
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[18:21] Brandon_R: i guess they didn't record the talk :(
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[18:22] isaacs: newcode: hm.  then require('less') should work
[18:22] isaacs: newcode: is there a node_modules folder with a less/ folder in it?
[18:22] newcode: yes
[18:22] newcode: home/vagrant/node_modules/less/bin/lessc
[18:25] newcode: guys, when I compiled node, I just grabbed master - maybe I should have used a tag? could it be it?
[18:25] Brandon_R: not syre what is wrong then
[18:25] Brandon_R: what version? i would use the most stable version from nodejs.org
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[18:27] mattrobenolt: With `npm install -g` where does it resolve the global path to?
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[18:27] mattrobenolt: It seems to always be "../lib" for me.
[18:28] isaacs: mattrobenolt: global installs are for command line utils, not for use with require()
[18:28] isaacs: mattrobenolt: if you require() something, install it locally
[18:28] mattrobenolt: Right.
[18:28] mattrobenolt: I'm installing a global CLI tool.
[18:28] isaacs: mattrobenolt: the location is in $PREFIX/lib/node_modules, though
[18:28] mattrobenolt: But it's not getting installed into /usr/local/bin like it shoul dbe.
[18:28] isaacs: mattrobenolt: and the bins go into $PREFIX/bin
[18:28] isaacs: mattrobenolt: does it set a "bin" property in package.json?
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[18:29] mattrobenolt: isaacs: Yeah.
[18:29] mattrobenolt: I'm installing mocha.
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[18:29] mattrobenolt: For some reason it won't install globally right. I think I'm missing the $PATH part.
[18:29] mattrobenolt: It's defaulting to "../"
[18:29] isaacs: mattrobenolt: what's the full output of `npm install -g mocha`?
[18:30] isaacs: mattrobenolt: and what's the cwd?
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[18:30] mattrobenolt: I tried from ~, but it didn't have permission to create /Users/lib
[18:30] mattrobenolt: If I go into ~/Desktop or something, it'll create ~/lib
[18:31] mattrobenolt: isaacs: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3NpQjfTX
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[18:31] mattrobenolt: That's from ~/Desktop
[18:32] isaacs: mattrobenolt: npm config ls <-- gist/pastie that, plz
[18:32] Brandon_R: omg i love node
[18:33] mattrobenolt: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=WmwVUs7S
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[18:33] mattrobenolt: Wait, I just realized I'm on node 0.7.5. Maybe that has somethign to do with it.
[18:34] mattrobenolt: npm 1.10-beta-10
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[18:34] mattrobenolt: Ok, it installed fine when I switched to node 0.6. :)
[18:34] isaacs: mattrobenolt: hooray! i fixed the bug!
[18:34] isaacs: :)
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[18:34] Brandon_R: haha
[18:35] mattrobenolt: Any idea why npm exhibits that behavior under 0.7?
[18:35] Brandon_R: it's always something like that
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[18:35] Brandon_R: can't wait till v .8
[18:35] Brandon_R: then it will be the big old v 1.0.0 Gold
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[18:35] isaacs: mattrobenolt: i think it's more than npm@1.1.0-beta-10 exhibits that behavior
[18:35] isaacs: Brandon_R: there may be a 0.10
[18:35] isaacs: Brandon_R: that's tbd
[18:36] mattrobenolt: isaacs: Thanks for hearing me talk around in circles, haha
[18:36] Brandon_R: i remember ryan saying node will be version 1.0.0 when it becomes error free
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[18:36] isaacs: Brandon_R: more that it's api-change-free
[18:36] mattrobenolt: Brandon_R: Then no software would ever be released. ;)
[18:36] Brandon_R: i think that was the joke ry was inferring
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[18:36] Brandon_R: or implying rather
[18:37] Brandon_R: i then inferred it
[18:37] mattrobenolt: Ahh.
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[18:37] michaelmartinez: I've watched peep code screencast, Almost all of Pedro's (nodetuts) and was looking to see if there were other that y'all recommend
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[18:38] Brandon_R: nodeguide
[18:38] Brandon_R: and basically writing a module
[18:38] michaelmartinez: nodeguide... check
[18:38] Brandon_R: try the stackoverflow node.js tag
[18:38] Brandon_R: answering other people's questions could help you improve
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[18:39] michaelmartinez: writing a module... not yet ready for that. (imposter syndrome, i haz it)
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[18:39] totallymike: I don't know what imposter syndrome is
[18:39] michaelmartinez: thanks Brandon_R
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[18:40] michaelmartinez: totallymike: Ahh... it where you think your code sucks balls
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[18:40] totallymike: Ah.  Well that's a guarantee without practice ;)
[18:40] michaelmartinez: yeah... fixing that part.
[18:40] Phoenixz: I have an object that extends event emitter.. at one point, I do this.emit('error', 'blah blah blah'); and I get this error: Error: Uncaught, unspecified 'error' event.  What is precisely the problem here?
[18:40] totallymike: Just write something stupid.  Your code WILL suck.  But you'll learn, and then the second module you write won't suck as much
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[18:41] michaelmartinez: I have a very basic node thing-y up - http://monklab.nodejitsu.com/
[18:41] coffeecup: hi guys, how can i properly cancel a file upload? when uploading large files i would like to immediately send the response that the upload failed, so the client doesn't have to wait until his upload completed to see that it didn't work
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[18:42] michaelmartinez: So I am learning.. I just need moar. Thanks for the inspiration
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[18:43] Brandon_R: so, any of you guys working on something cool you want to share?
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[18:47] totallymike: Brandon_R: I think you'll find there are a lot of people here doing a lot of amazing things.  Checking out the nodeup podcasts will go quite a ways towards helping you get to know what a number of people here are up to.  That and start poking at people's github pages.
[18:48] newcode: which version of node do you guys recommend?
[18:48] totallymike: Stable
[18:48] totallymike: newcode: ^
[18:49] newcode: I'm getting it from http://nodejs.org/dist/
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[18:49] newcode: totallymike: the stable on is not specified
[18:49] totallymike: newcode: http://nodejs.org
[18:49] mattrobenolt: newcode:  That's fine. 0.6.13 is latest stable.
[18:49] mattrobenolt: 0.7 is unstable.
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[18:49] newcode: thanks guys :)
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[18:50] mattrobenolt: All even releases are stable, 0.2, 0.4, 0.6, soon to be 0.8, etc.
[18:50] totallymike: newcode: also useful is http://nodejs.org/dist/latest
[18:50] mattrobenolt: Odds are unstable. 0.3, 0.5, 0.7, etc.
[18:50] newcode: totallymike: that's the one I tried last time, not sure if it was part of my problem
[18:51] totallymike: Currently it points to 0.6.13, which is latest stable
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[18:51] Brandon_R: why does node/latest/docs point to the homepage instead of the docs?
[18:51] newcode: totallymike: got you, cool
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[18:57] Brandon_R: k
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[19:03] jocafa: can anyone get to http://learnboost.github.com/stylus/  ?
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[19:09] gabriel: I'm writing a large amount of data to a file using fs.createWriteStream, then foreach'ing through my data to write() it out to that stream.  I'm having a hard time telling when the stream has finished writing to the file.  .on('close',...) doesn't trigger and not sure what I should be looking for.  Anyone have any thoughts?
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[19:11] totallymike: gabriel: I doubt this is the best solution, but perhaps you may want to synchronously write it?
[19:11] totallymike: forEaching through yoru data isn't going to guarantee it all gets written in the proper order
[19:12] totallymike: At least at first glance, that's what I'd assume.
[19:12] gabriel: Yeah, and I'm fine with that for this situation.  Would doing it synchronously give me the ability to tell when its done writing everything out to the file though?  Like, nothing's left in the buffer?
[19:13] totallymike: Well it would block until it finished.
[19:13] gabriel: I have to kick off another action once everythiing's been written to the file
[19:13] gabriel: Writing the data isn't my issue, its telling when its completed that is.  Not sure how to figure that
[19:14] totallymike: In that case, I'm not sure.
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[19:15] gabriel: ooo, I think I may have just stumbled on it
[19:16] gabriel: on('drain',...) gets called when the buffer empties
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[19:16] gabriel: might be what I need!
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[19:18] slug_: fyi - here's the start of a node module for scripting the directfb --> https://github.com/engine12/node-directfb
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[19:38] disappearedng: Anyone experienced this issue with socket.io? 
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[19:41] newcode: still trying to configure less and node here
[19:42] newcode: so less only works if cd into /usr/lib
[19:42] newcode: but not elsewhere on my server
[19:42] newcode: weird
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[19:42] newcode: so if I do var less = require('less');
[19:42] newcode: it works fine when I'm in /usr/lib
[19:43] newcode: but when I'm in ~
[19:43] newcode: it throws Error: Cannot find module 'less'
[19:43] newcode:     at Function._resolveFilename (module.js:332:11)
[19:43] newcode: etc...
[19:43] isaacs: newcode: cd /path/to/my/project; npm init <fill in stuff>; npm install less
[19:43] isaacs: newcode: while youer' at it: npm faq; npm help folders
[19:44] newcode: I did npm install less -g
[19:44] newcode: no good?
[19:44] isaacs: newcode: well, it's fine, for using the cli on the command line, yes.  but for require() you must install it locally
[19:44] isaacs: newcode: run 'npm faq
[19:44] isaacs: '
[19:44] newcode: isaacs: ok, thx!
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[20:06] erichocean: hi, I have a function invoked in my module from a file run like this: `node the_file.js`. I want to know the directory `the_file.js` is in, in my called function
[20:06] erichocean: other than passing it directly via __dirname, is there a way to get it?
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[20:07] MerlinDMC: any module recommended for generating streaming xml output?
[20:07] augustl: erichocean: hmm, I don't understand why you can't use __dirname
[20:07] coderarity: erichocean: module.parent
[20:07] coderarity: http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/modules.html#modules_module_filename
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[20:08] erichocean: sweet, thanks guys
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[20:09] qbert_: Has anyone heard of this https://github.com/rogp/jspp.git ?
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[20:09] qbert_: http://jspp.javascript.am/ rather
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[20:10] mansoor: qbert_, type safety is for the weak
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[20:11] qbert_: mansoor, weak like a fox!
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[20:12] RLa: yes, but does it have templates and macros too?
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[20:14] qbert_: RLa, hmm yes, templates/generics would have to be there to be usable
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[20:16] RLa: and custom operator definitions :)
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[20:40] kenperkins: is there an amazon channel?
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[20:41] stagas: http://live.stagas.com:3333/
[20:44] Qzen: not bad
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[20:44] Qzen: stagas, the live page looks good
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[20:46] stagas: Qzen: thanks! I've been tweaking it all day
[20:46] Qzen: its a nice feature that i can see come in handy...
[20:46] Qzen: so kudos and +1
[20:47] stagas: Qzen: cheers
[20:49] VesQ: whoa it exploded
[20:49] VesQ: huge amount of traffic :D
[20:49] VesQ: starts to lag, stagas :D
[20:50] stagas: VesQ: yeah I switched to the smaller traffic example
[20:50] VesQ: it looks nice :)
[20:50] VesQ: spots me nicely
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[20:51] VesQ: Helsinki, FI :)
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[20:57] jocafa: anyone using phantomjs with mocha?
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[21:08] edmellum: So I've been checking out fs in core and I can't figure out why this line is the first in ReadStream: if (!(this instanceof ReadStream)) return new ReadStream(path, options);
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[21:13] loffe: edmellum, probably a safe guard if you forget "new" when calling the constructor
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[21:25] baudehlo: ^^ exactly that
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[21:42] Leemp: Anyone know of a more advanced example of express js app? Perhaps a more advanced site, on github?
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[21:44] Leemp: I'm curious on what some common conventions are in terms of project structure. So many examples are single file applications, which is not really a real example
[21:44] Leemp: Sure it's "enough", but i'm just curious :)
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[21:46] Venom_X: Leemp: https://github.com/visionmedia/express/tree/master/examples/route-separation
[21:46] Venom_X: Leemp: that calmed my curiosity when I was wondering the same thing
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[21:48] Leemp: Venom_X: hah, they avoid the one issue i was wondering about
[21:48] edmellum: Leemp: I can't remember who said it, but last NodeUp someone said they'd seen the code for several different large Express sites and none of them looked alike. So I guess there are no real common conventions, which makes sense since Express is so low level and simple.
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[21:48] Venom_X: Leemp: what's the issue?
[21:48] Edy: Leemp: you could look into etherpad lite: https://github.com/Pita/etherpad-lite
[21:49] Leemp: Venom_X, edmellum: My issue was mainly that it seems express configuring, routing, etc, all need access to the app object. And i'm.. weird, so i didn't like the idea of "create app, require router, require configure, then app.listen()"
[21:50] Leemp: So, i think i'll just do the same thing, but expose "router.init(app)" functions. 
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[21:52] hkhalid: hi
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[21:53] edmellum: Leemp: If you check out TJ's own Express apps youæll see he actually likes to define app as a global and use it like that.
[21:53] spasquali: if a client is in the process of uploading a file and i want to cancel that upload, what is the best technique? request.pause() pauses, but the connection stays live. request.connection.destroy() simply allows the client to attempt sending file again
[21:53] Leemp: edmellum: Global eh? Crazy
[21:54] hkhalid: with nodejs, can I make html5 games with a real game loop? 
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[21:54] edmellum: Leemp: To each his own I guess. I personally just split out config to its own file and export a configMe(app) function.
[21:54] Leemp: edmellum: Yea
[21:55] wingie: is it possible for packageA to have packageB as dependency while packageB has packageA as dependency?
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[21:55] edmellum: hkhalid: What do you mean by "real game loop"?
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[21:55] Leemp: wingie: Well, think about it. There is only one code path, so whatever runs first will fail when it requests the other
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[21:56] Leemp: wingie: With that said, you *can* have A require B, and B require A.. depending on what the insides of each look like.. for example, when you define your exports, and when you define your require
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[21:57] Leemp: (I shouldn't use the word define.. i think that is a commonjs or requirejs keyword.. not too familiar with it)
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[21:58] Venom_X: hkhalid: the paradigm is different than a traditional game loop. Node runs in a single thread, but has non blocking io. So, through callbacks you can design your game logic without the bounds of a game loop, instead resort to the events being emitted asynchronously.
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[22:00] Venom_X: hkhalid: but if you must, you can do timers, and encapsulate game logic in a loop. Although I'd suggest looking into using an eventemitter
[22:00] hh__: what are some good webgl,html5 canvas libraries?
[22:00] mansoor: I too am researching how to go about writing game server on node..
[22:00] Venom_X: hh__: threes is awesome
[22:00] Venom_X: hh__: threejs
[22:01] mansoor: hkhalid, do share what you find :)
[22:01] Venom_X: https://github.com/mrdoob/three.js/
[22:01] hh__: threes looks cool
[22:02] edmellum: mansoor: What is it that you need to research? I've written a small MMO-like thing without any prep or anything.
[22:02] hh__: is there a good 2d library?
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[22:02] Venom_X: I wrote a little fps game with node in the backend a while ago node ~0.4. https://github.com/phillyqueso/fps
[22:02] mansoor: edmellum, really? this is my first game server
[22:03] hkhalid: thanks Vainoharhainen
[22:03] mansoor: kinda scratching where to start
[22:03] hkhalid: Venom_X
[22:03] edmellum: mansoor: Yeah, it was the same for me. What do you feel you need to research?
[22:03] hkhalid: hi mansoor sahab
[22:03] Vainoharhainen: hkhalid: huh?
[22:03] hh__: mansoor: game server or game?
[22:03] hh__: cause there's a difference
[22:03] mansoor: game server
[22:03] daniel__: has anyone tried out zappa?
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[22:03] mansoor: we already started on the front end  https://github.com/mansoor-s/Galactic-Supremacy
[22:04] edmellum: mansoor: Well, what are you making? Online chess, a game with leaderboards and an online sidescroller are all wildly different beasts.
[22:04] mansoor: edmellum, RTS
[22:04] mansoor: with a hint of MMO :)
[22:04] hh__: wouldn't a game server then just be, define an api to 'talk' between game client and server? and that's it
[22:04] edmellum: mansoor: So then you need to be doing all calculations server-side. Your engine will need to be all node.
[22:04] mansoor: edmellum, Its basically an MMO-Empire management. But there is RTS involved
[22:05] mansoor: yah
[22:05] mansoor: i'm not sure how that would scale
[22:05] edmellum: mansoor: It'll have to.
[22:05] mansoor: i mean thats the way to go
[22:05] mansoor: i'm not sure how to structure it so that it will scale
[22:05] mansoor: easily
[22:05] edmellum: mansoor: Or else I can just tell the server I have won the game and I'll have won.
[22:05] mansoor: right I've done my share of  cheat engine hacking :p
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[22:06] edmellum: mansoor: I sense premature optimization!
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[22:06] sandfox: mansoor: edmellum: ditto
[22:06] edmellum: mansoor: Don't worry about scaling, worry about getting the scaling problem. That is making a thing people want.
[22:06] sandfox: just worry about your game design first
[22:07] mansoor: edmellum, wel... there are 1 milion stars in my galaxy. when it comes to a battle. that makes the server having to manage all of those star systems as a "room"
[22:07] mansoor:  hmm
[22:07] edmellum: mansoor: Well if it doesn't run well it doesn't run well.
[22:07] hkhalid: mansoor you got your game loops down and all
[22:07] hkhalid: i think not having a game loop
[22:07] hkhalid: i makes html5 games hard to make
[22:07] edmellum: mansoor: Then you'll make it run properly.
[22:08] mansoor: hkhalid, a loop is the only way to go
[22:08] edmellum: mansoor: Since it's real-time you'll need a traditional game-loop. Just a good ol setInterval.
[22:08] hkhalid: but how come I cant do it in js
[22:08] hkhalid: i hate setinterval
[22:09] mansoor: edmellum, eye thats what i've been thinking
[22:09] edmellum: mansoor: Save game state in memory or file to begin with.
[22:09] sandfox: how about using ticks?
[22:09] mansoor: *aye
[22:09] edmellum: mansoor: Update clients with Socket.IO.
[22:09] mansoor: I've been wondering to use websockets or UDP
[22:10] mansoor: I'm looking into using embeded chromuim or embeded gecko and giving it UDP support
[22:10] sandfox: mansoor: socket.io for the win
[22:10] edmellum: mansoor: Just use Socket.IO and limit it to websockets.
[22:10] mansoor: sandfox, dont' need socket.io
[22:10] mansoor: its only good for lots of fallback
[22:10] sandfox: mansoor: it'll mean more time spent on your game and less time re-inventing stuff
[22:10] mansoor: i dont' need fallback. If the client supports webgl it definatly supports websockets
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[22:10] edmellum: mansoor: Again, this is premature optimization. Don't think about UDP.
[22:10] sandfox: mansoor: you can optimise later
[22:11] edmellum: mansoor: Use Socket.IO or Websocket.IO if you must.
[22:11] Venom_X: websockets are over tcp
[22:12] mansoor: whats wrong with regular websockets?
[22:12] mansoor: api is nice enough
[22:12] mansoor: I already have the serverside down
[22:12] edmellum: mansoor: Then you'll need to reinvents rooms and channels.
[22:13] sandfox: mansoor: just aim to get MVP as soon as possible, don't let side tasks get in the way
[22:13] jaha: having a problem writing to file in ubuntu, what am i missing? i get Error: ENOENT, open "myfile", stream not writable
[22:13] mansoor: edmellum, socket.io has a concept of rooms?
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[22:14] mansoor: sandfox, wise words :)
[22:15] edmellum: mansoor: Yeah, it also has a lot of really useful stuff that you'll probably want later. Just go with it, stop tinkering and think about the actual game part.
[22:15] jaha: ive got fs.createWriteStream('path', {flags:'w+',encoding:'binary',mode:0666})
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[22:17] mansoor: edmellum, sandfox, thanks for your advice!
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[22:17] edmellum: mansoor: No problem duder!
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[22:18] sandfox: msnsoor: anytime, and good luck
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[22:19] jaha: nvm, had the path wrong, using __dirname for more consistency now
[22:19] qbert_: jaha, and you have write permissions ?
[22:19] qbert_: nvm
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[22:21] wingie: how do you set the stacktrace more than 10 lines by default?
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[22:22] qbert_: good question
[22:22] edmellum: I don't think you can.
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[22:22] shanebo: hey guys is it possible to create a read stream from memory rather than a path on the file system?
[22:23] qbert_: wingie,  probably a recompile
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[22:23] edmellum: Long stacktraces seems to have been talked about a lot, but hasn't been done yet since it has performance penalties.
[22:23] qbert_: wingie, maybe search how to turn it on in V8
[22:24] qbert_: just found this https://github.com/tlrobinson/long-stack-traces
[22:24] edmellum: shanebo: You can totally create your own stream. fs.ReadStream is specifically for reading files.
[22:25] edmellum: shanebo: Or did you misunderstand the question?
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[22:25] shanebo: edmellum what I want to stream is not from a file, but a buffer cached in memory
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[22:27] edmellum: shanebo: Well then it sounds like you want to make your own stream. Check out the streams docs: http://nodejs.org/api/stream.html
[22:28] shanebo: edmellum yeah I'm wanting to stream cached assets, with headers and all. Any idea how?
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[22:28] shanebo: (edmellum and I don't want to use someone else's static asset server. I want to learn)
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[22:31] disappearedng: let say I have a class, Engine which imports from a config class that has all the variables. Now I am doing testing and I want to change those variables. Is there a way I can change a particular variable in a particular namespace? 
[22:31] edmellum: shanebo: Make a stream and pipe it into a response. A good example of a stream, though maybe a bit complicated is fs.ReadStream: https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/lib/fs.js#L1100
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[22:33] shanebo: edmellum yeah but notice the "path" argument. There is no path when it's in memory.
[22:34] edmellum: shanebo: I'm not saying use ReadStream. I'm saying ReadStream is a stream, you need to make your own, but looking at ReadStream can help you understand how to make your own.
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[22:35] edmellum: shanebo: On 1161 ReadStream is extended with Stream. Just like you would with an eventemitter.
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[22:37] shanebo: edmellum i wonder if request would be a good example https://github.com/mikeal/request
[22:38] edmellum: shanebo: Sure would! Basically everything async in Node has callback API and a Stream API. A lot of third-party modules do too.
[22:38] edmellum: shanebo: Mikeal seems obsessed with streams so his modules are definitely a good place to look.
[22:39] shanebo: edmellum still looks like this api is only for things in the file system. I already have the headers and buffer in memory...
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[22:39] maxogden: its not that mikeal is obsessed with streams... the whole point of using node is to get the stream api
[22:39] maxogden: but felix has more stream examples if thats what you're looking for
[22:40] shanebo: maxogden, I've been banging my head on this for a while. Can you point me in the right directions? I have my headers and body buffer in memory and I've read dumping the buffer in response.end is bad practice. So I'm looking for how to stream the response. Any ideas?
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[22:41] maxogden: shanebo: can you post your code?
[22:41] wingie: ok this is weird .. i have a packageA that has packageB as dependency .. and vice versa ... when I do "npm install" from packageB it doesn't install packageA from the npm repo since it's installed in packageA .. the problem is that it cant require A
[22:41] wingie: any idea?
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[22:41] shanebo: maxogden yeah give me a few and I can give an example
[22:41] isaacs: wingie: that's sort of a known edge-case.
[22:42] wingie: isaacs: how could i solve it?
[22:42] isaacs: wingie: if you were to install packageA in some *other* package, it would, because they'd be in a node_modules folder
[22:42] wingie: yeah
[22:42] isaacs: wingie: cd ~/path/to/projects; cd ..; ln -s projects node_modules
[22:42] wingie: i renamed packageA's name to packageC in package.json and when running "npm install" now installed packageB along with packageA from npm registry 
[22:43] isaacs: wingie: i just develop in a node_modules folder.
[22:43] isaacs: wingie: then everything finds everything
[22:43] isaacs: it's actually really nice.
[22:44] wingie: isaacs: but those are already ready to be used .. no need for further development
[22:44] wingie: isaacs: i want A to use B and vice versa now
[22:44] isaacs: wingie: you're in ~/src/packagea/, right?
[22:45] isaacs: wingie: and you do `npm link ../packageb` or some such
[22:45] isaacs: wingie: and the problem is that it doesn't put anything at ~/src/packagea/node_modules/packageb/node_modules/packagea
[22:45] isaacs: because it's already in teh ancestry
[22:45] wingie: no i published both packages
[22:46] wingie: then in A I do npm install 
[22:46] wingie: it installs B but B doesn't install A since its installed from A
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[22:46] wingie: isaacs: yeah thats correct
[22:46] wingie: isaacs: but the issue here is that B _cant_ find A when it require('a')
[22:47] wingie: something it should since it was skipping to install it i thought
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[22:48] isaacs: wingie: right, so, do this:
[22:48] isaacs: cd ~; ln -s src node_modules
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[22:49] isaacs: wingie: then it will find it when it does require('a')
[22:49] wingie: is this a bug?
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[22:50] wingie: since if people git clone my project and run "npm test" it will fail if they don't do ln -s
[22:50] shanebo: maxogden, here's a simplified exmaple http://cl.ly/37200n0h1i3K3g1D132X
[22:50] isaacs: wingie: or if they're already in a folder named node_modules
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[22:51] isaacs: wingie: you can go ahead and post an issue.  but it's kind of a rare edge case.
[22:52] isaacs: wingie: since it *will* work when installed, just not when cloned and run as a top-level project.
[22:52] wingie: yeah .. but better to cover all angles .. i file an issue
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[23:02] CIA-19: node: 03Alex Xu 07master * r5abcdc9 10/ configure : build: fix configure with spaces in CC - http://git.io/ui3pvA
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[23:09] wingie: isaacs: https://github.com/isaacs/npm/issues/2276
[23:09] isaacs: thanks
[23:09] wingie: yw
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[23:12] eeemsi: is it possible to build nodejs with more than one build job?
[23:12] eeemsi: or is there something wrong printed at the beginning of the compilation?
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[23:16] maxogden: shanebo: ok so streams are only for data that isnt already in memory
[23:16] maxogden: shanebo: and buffers are big chunks of memory
[23:17] maxogden: shanebo: so once you have something in a buffer you can just write it out. streams are for things that are slow like network and disk
[23:17] shanebo: maxogden, so how I'm handling it is fine?
[23:18] maxogden: shanebo: yep but ideally you would want to .pipe whatever is reading the cached asset into the response
[23:18] maxogden: shanebo: instead of waiting for it to finish buffering and then writing it out
[23:18] shanebo: maxogden okay how do I do that?
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[23:22] maxogden: shanebo: it depends on how you are reading the cached asset
[23:22] shanebo: maxogden I just point to a key in an object
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[23:22] maxogden: what populates the object with data
[23:22] shanebo: maxogden there's no reading, it's in memory
[23:22] maxogden: how does it get in memory
[23:23] shanebo: maxogden asset middleware I wrote
[23:23] maxogden: is it on githubh
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[23:23] shanebo: maxogden I pass the cache into a controller action and access it in the request
[23:24] shanebo: maxogden
[23:24] shanebo: PM
[23:24] maxogden: wat
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[23:24] tylergillies: maxogden: 
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[23:25] maxogden:               }}}}` '{{'  '.
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[23:25] maxogden:          ,}}}}}}    /o`\  ` ;)
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[23:26] tuhoojabotti: I could've ruined it.
[23:26] shanebo: maxogden I have the object already in memory and accessible in the  route action, so I just need help with how to pipe it
[23:26] tuhoojabotti: but I didn't
[23:26] maxogden: shanebo: if it is in memory then you dont need to pipe it
[23:26] wingie: i was thinking who was going to write soemthing in between
[23:27] shanebo: maxogden alright so my example is fine then, assuming the buffer is in memory
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[23:27] maxogden: tuhoojabotti: wingie: you guys understand the concept of artistic integrity. thank you
[23:27] qbert_: its so pretty
[23:28] qbert_: now do boobs!
[23:28] jocafa: THATS MY CUE
[23:28] jocafa: ( . Y . )
[23:28] edmellum: 80085
[23:28] wingie: qbert_: boobs on a horse? you pervert!!
[23:29] shanebo: maxogden thanks for the help
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[23:35] augustl: it's commented out so it's OK
[23:35] augustl: nothing bad can happen
[23:35] Octayn: Of course it's commented out.
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[23:35] Octayn: Why would he practice unsafe sex?
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[23:38] wao: r
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[23:41] wingie: isaacs: i have symlinked src/ where i have all packages to node_modules/
[23:41] isaacs: wingie: k
[23:41] wingie: but when i enter src/packageA and do "npm install" it still installs B, C, D into its node_modules .. shouldn't it skip those since they are all in node_modules?
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[23:42] isaacs: maxogden: nice horse, bro.
[23:42] maxogden: isaacs: thx
[23:42] isaacs: wingie: no, because npm doesn't walk up any further
[23:42] isaacs: wingie: but b will now find a when it does require("a")
[23:42] maxogden: isaacs: i cant post a horse anymore without people talking about bewbs and peepees its weird
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[23:44] isaacs: maxogden: yeah, it's really weird.
[23:44] isaacs: i don't get it
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[23:45] wingie: isaacs: what i want is to use the local copies instead so i dont have to publish them and use npm install .. i could have used "npm link" for each package but since i have 7-8 packages the combination is huge and i thought i could save myself from npm linking each one of them .. but that is really the only solution?
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[23:45] isaacs: wingie: yeah, just link em
[23:45] isaacs: wingie: if you have that many, maybe you're breaking things up inappropriately.
[23:45] wingie: nah they are separate npm packages .. just that i have many different ones
[23:46] isaacs: wingie: or, you could just install them all in your ~/src/ directly, and not have them nest at all.
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[23:46] wingie: that are using each other
[23:46] isaacs: cd ..
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[23:46] isaacs: npm install A
[23:46] isaacs: since you have your own node_modules thing there
[23:46] isaacs: you know?
[23:46] wingie: let me try it
[23:47] isaacs: oh, i guess you don't have to npm install A, since A is alredy there
[23:47] isaacs: wingie: i have a lot of packages.  in many cases, i use npm link, but like, for npm itself, I'll usually just npm install from the folder, or from a git repo or whatever.
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[23:56] wingie: isaacs: so i have src/a, src/b etc .. do you mean i should put a package.json in src/, do "npm link a", "npm link b" within src/ and then "npm install" to install all other 3rd party modules
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[23:56] isaacs: wingie: nonono
[23:56] wingie: in that case i don't have to npm install/link anything in src/a, src/b separately
[23:56] wingie: oops haha
[23:56] isaacs: wingie: just don't install anythign
[23:57] isaacs: wingie: or you could link them into one another, sure
[23:57] isaacs: wingie: but i hitnk the first time you link, i'tll try to install, and maybe get confused
[23:57] isaacs: but whatever.
[23:57] isaacs: wingie: i think you're probably overthinking it
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[23:58] wingie: yeah it doesn't seem to do what i want .. i just want my own package to use the local one .. but install the 3rd party libs from registry
[23:58] wingie: the local ones
[23:59] wingie: ill just npm link the separately .. that would work fine
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[23:59] wingie: them
[23:59] isaacs: wingie: sure, then npm link ../b; npm install
[23:59] isaacs: (in a)