[00:00] initohen: b knows that c requires old-d
[00:00] initohen: a knows that b requires old-d
[00:00] initohen: and i know that a requires it
[00:00] initohen: a bigger problem would be: why would you name the handler the same if it was incompatible
[00:00] initohen: :\
[00:00] initohen: i guess since there's no versioning in file extensions you have a tricky dilemma
[00:01] initohen: but i expect that most libraries in active use will try to keep current
[00:01] initohen: i prefer not to depend on a dozen things
[00:01] initohen: which is why i went with zombie over uhh.. whatever that other one was... phantom?
[00:01] tmike: your package.json will enforce versions
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[00:01] initohen: his problem is that he has two packages, both required, that may differ in version
[00:01] initohen: but will compete for the same extension
[00:02] tmike: same extension?
[00:02] initohen: iced-coffee-script supplies .coffee and .iced
[00:02] tmike: ah
[00:02] initohen: but the dependency on coffee-script i guess downloads coffee-script?
[00:02] initohen: i dunno
[00:02] iangreenleaf: Yes, coffee-script is an npm module just like any other.
[00:02] tmike: The dependency on coffee-script would download coffee-script
[00:03] initohen: sure, but if it was a little smarter it'd be able to recognize that the coffee-script dependency is satisfied without coffee-script
[00:03] initohen: it seems that if the two are version-incompatible you have a difficulty, however
[00:04] iangreenleaf: IMO require.extensions should be scoped by modules. That would be consistent with the way require searches for packages.
[00:05] iangreenleaf: i.e. require("foo") will prefer a locally-installed foo over a global foo
[00:05] initohen: fair enough
[00:08] iangreenleaf: Anyways, thanks for the chat. I'm gonna poke around the node issues tomorrow and see if it has come up.
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[00:41] Raverix: Hello, I'm getting a lot of  throw e; // process.nextTick error, or 'error' event on first tick errors, from what I've found searching it appears this is related to the content-length of the response being 0... but yet I don't see how to fix this? Any suggestions? Thanks
[00:42] bnoordhuis: Raverix: where/when do you get those errors?
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[00:43] tmike: rwaldron: I'm pretty sure just about every generic node error looks like that
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[00:48] Raverix: bnoordhuis: hard to figure out when... It'll work for 5 minutes, and then randomly die.
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[00:48] Raverix: Here, I found a bit more information...
[00:49] bnoordhuis: Raverix: probably means you haven't attached an error listener to a socket or something
[00:49] Raverix: hmm
[00:49] bnoordhuis: can you gist the stack trace?
[00:51] Raverix: bnoordhuis: Hold on just a moment... I've discovered something really weird... I'm getting a LOT of requests going through my proxy which I cannot explain.
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[00:53] Raverix: I'm getting hundres of ads going through my proxy / minute.
[00:54] rwaldron: tmike sorry, not sure what you're referring to?
[00:55] tmike: Sorry I think I autocompleted you by accident
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[00:55] rwaldron: no worries!
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[00:57] CIA-19: node: 03Nathan Rajlich 07master * r35043ad 10/ src/node.cc : process: use NODE_STRINGIFY macro to set process.versions.uv - http://git.io/bfPNMQ
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[00:59] Anthus: quiet.
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[01:00] octayn: Anthus: you joined a minute ago, how could you gauge that?
[01:00] Anthus: ratio of people logged in to people talking ;)
[01:00] octayn: The larger the channel the smaller the ratio, regardless of activity. Tons of people idle.
[01:01] insin: 'tis the way of the help channel
[01:01] Anthus: Mmm.  I suspect that isn't true, as numbers grow even larger, even idle activity must grow.  
[01:01] insin: ask an interesting question and just try to stop people talking ;)
[01:02] Anthus: Anyway, I didn't say that as a criticism or as a serious observation as much as I was trying to see who was listening.
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[01:04] chapel: there are a lot of factors
[01:04] chapel: when I was first learning node I was super active in here
[01:04] chapel: after I learned more, I continued to be active and helpful
[01:05] chapel: now that I work full time doing node, it is harder to keep up with the activity and help, so for me at least, that is why I idle more than talk in here
[01:07] Anthus: I see
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[01:07] Anthus: How'd you get into Node?
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[01:09] octayn: I found it by accident and thought it was pretty cool.
[01:09] octayn: I think a friend mentioned it in passing
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[01:12] tmike: I want a job in node so bad
[01:13] kevinswiber: Make your job.  There's a startup boom.
[01:13] tmike: I'm thinking of doing exactly that.  However I'm terrible at ideas ;)
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[01:14] kevinswiber: Solve a problem you have.  If you think you don't have a solvable problem, you've just gotten used to the pain.
[01:14] brainss: tmike: there are some places hiring
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[01:14] ningu: I had a really terrible idea earlier
[01:14] tmike: kevinswiber: lol good point
[01:14] brainss: tmike: voxer and yammer come to mind
[01:15] Anthus: haha, there's something about that statement that needs a swig of bourbon after it
[01:15] ningu: I like node and the libraries it provides, and so I've gotten in the habit of using it for scripts and such
[01:15] kevinswiber: Well... I am drinking.
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[01:15] Anthus: me too, cheers.
[01:15] ningu: so I thought it might be possible to hack node into making its async functions sync, just for the purpose of making code cleaner in batch scripts
[01:15] tmike: woof
[01:16] ningu: but I don't think it can really be done :)
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[01:16] ningu: the module would be called blockhead
[01:16] ningu: and the instructions would say it's a terrible idea and never to use it
[01:16] insin: ningu: it's been done. repeatedly :-p
[01:16] insin: fibers and that
[01:16] ningu: hmmm
[01:17] tmike: fibers just makes your code LOOK sync.  I think ningu's talking about killing all asynchronicity
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[01:18] octayn: As long as it looks sync that's all that matters, right?
[01:18] octayn: if the objective is "clean code"
[01:19] ningu: yes, that's all I really meant
[01:19] insin: when was the last mailing list ding-dong on fibers?
[01:19] ningu: I was talking about doing it by actally making it sync, but whatever
[01:19] kevinswiber: Call me a masochist, but sometimes, when it's late at night... I enjoy passing continuations.  :X
[01:20] ningu: continuations are awesome
[01:20] ningu: there are just situations where they are annoying, too
[01:20] octayn: kevinswiber: manual cps is a bitch but I wouldn't mind an 'async' keyword or similar that does CPS implicitly for you
[01:20] ningu: and I like node enough that I'd want to use it for those situations too, if I could :)
[01:20] kevinswiber: Aren't there a bunch of solutions offering that inline "async/yield" functionality?
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[01:21] ningu: npm sure has been updated a lot lately
[01:21] octayn: kevinswiber: haven't really looked into it
[01:22] octayn: node-sync looks promising
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[01:23] ningu: yeah, it's a syntax issue more than anything, in most ways
[01:23] ningu: I don't mind the logic of async code
[01:23] ningu: it can just be hard to grok quickly when you read it
[01:24] tmike: It's a little better if you're super strict about naming your functions and not indenting more than one or two levels
[01:24] ningu: well, in my experience it gets really messy when you have a long task that must execute in sequence
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[01:24] ningu: not sure if async waterfall or substack's Seq is better for that
[01:25] ningu: I have things like cb, cb2, cb3, etc. so I can remember which is at which level
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[01:26] ningu: http://pastebin.com/YVG7J72i
[01:26] ningu: example
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[01:29] tmike: Yeah it can get messy.  I'm not familiar with async or Seq though
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[01:32] ningu: I might try rewriting that script in seq just for fun
[01:33] ningu: see if it gets any easier
[01:34] Eruadan: hey ningu, i think i was a bit equivocated yesterday, when i said about normal apps in node also. Is not because the server is async that the apps must be also. Also, I was thinking about all this forums online, like phpbb etc. they suffer always from slows in the searches, maybe node could help there. Now, i'm putting a blog up and running. npm is addictive ;p
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[01:35] ningu: Eruadan: of course, anything that runs on a server is much better if it's async
[01:35] ningu: I was just talking about making node pleasant to use in other situations
[01:35] ningu: there are plenty of other tools for that, but it would be nice, if a particular node library was exactly what I needed anyway.
[01:36] Eruadan: sure, and not only more pleasant but faster
[01:36] ningu: yeah, although that isn't my main concern for scripts
[01:36] ningu: I write lots of little scripts, for example right now I'm writing a paper and using a script to generate a LaTeX table from an excel spreadsheet
[01:36] ningu: node doesn't have an excel parsing lib, can't use node ;)
[01:36] Eruadan: what you think if all those forums everywhere were in node? would they support a higher number of searches?
[01:37] ningu: I don't know. I don't really know how slow they are, to be honest.
[01:37] ningu: and most forum searches are really bad :P
[01:37] octayn: If it's CPU heavy, of course not.
[01:37] ningu: I tend to just use google
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[01:37] Eruadan: i think they are slow. but it may also be related to db
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[01:39] Eruadan: real-time forum search
[01:39] Eruadan: that is a thread
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[01:44] Eruadan: what could be the equivalent to http://lucene.apache.org/solr/ , but for node.js
[01:45] Eruadan: ?
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[01:46] ningu: hmm, node-fibers looks quite cool
[01:47] ericmuyser: Eruadan: or just use it as a service over JSON, ala elasticsearch
[01:47] Eruadan: mm, cool
[01:48] ningu: hrm... "asynchronous function which was called synchronously through node-sync doesn't blocks the whole process - it blocks only current thread!" ... I thought node was single-threaded?
[01:48] Eruadan: mm, so it reverses the game?
[01:49] octayn: ningu: you can create threads
[01:49] octayn: And I'm guessing that's what node-fibers does
[01:49] kevinswiber: I think the fiber is "thread-like," though not a thread.
[01:49] kevinswiber: The project threads_a_go_go creates real threads.
[01:50] kevinswiber: https://github.com/xk/node-threads-a-gogo
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[01:52] ericmuyser: it was probably worth mentioning because you could have your own threading, but also node does spawn a few worker threads for its pool iirc, like buffering data from a network connection (guessing here, it's what boost asio does)
[01:54] kevinswiber: ericmuyser: Yeah, I believe that's correct, though I think that piece may be abstracted behind libuv.
[01:54] Eruadan: amazing stuff, must read
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[01:56] hydrozen: Hi there. What's the recommended tool to easily switch between node versions these days?
[01:57] kevinswiber: I use nvm, but there's also n and nave.
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[01:57] octayn: I've heard good things about n and nvm
[01:57] kevinswiber: https://github.com/creationix/nvm
[01:58] kevinswiber: https://github.com/visionmedia/n
[01:58] kevinswiber: https://github.com/isaacs/nave
[01:59] hydrozen: too many choices
[01:59] hydrozen: pick for me
[01:59] octayn: ...
[01:59] hydrozen: :P
[01:59] kevinswiber: What's your OS?
[02:00] hydrozen: does nvm do any of the weird stuff rvm does? like messing around with cd and stuff
[02:00] hydrozen: kevinswiber: Lion
[02:01] kevinswiber: As long as your OS has a bash shell, any of those options should work.
[02:01] kevinswiber: They're all simple shell scripts.
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[02:01] kevinswiber: RVM is way more involved.
[02:01] kevinswiber: If I had to pick for you, I'd choose nvm, because it's what I already know.  :P
[02:03] insin: same here, just happened to find nvm first when I went looking, works, didn't need to try the others
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[02:06] hydrozen: off to a good start.. i cloned it… run the command to source it and it says "nvm_ls:17: no matches found: vdefault*"
[02:06] poehls: I'm getting `Permission denied - /usr/local/lib/node/wafadmin` when I try to `brew upgrade node`. Has anyone seen this before?
[02:07] hydrozen: seems related to me using zsh maybe..
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[02:07] poehls: I am using zsh... guess I'll try bash
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[02:08] poehls: No luck in bash either.
[02:08] hydrozen: poehls: sorry, i was talking about my problem not yours
[02:08] poehls: ah, my bad :)
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[02:12] hydrozen: ok well no luck with nvm on zsh… so I'll have to try n
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[02:13] kevinswiber: poehls: Not using brew, but it's just a permissions issue (seemingly).  Either give yourself permission or use "sudo brew upgrade node".
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[02:48] ep0x: hey, I just installed for the first time node.js on Windows using the node.js installer, where does it install it?
[02:48] tuhoojabotti: Program Files.
[02:49] ep0x: lol woah... I'm stupid
[02:49] ep0x: thanks :)
[02:49] tuhoojabotti: :D
[02:49] tuhoojabotti: np
[02:50] context: that was almost as bad as someone asking where they put the gas in their car
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[02:50] ep0x: lol, sshh I'm used to having complicated installs with open source software
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[02:51] octayn: that's only because you're on the minority platform ;)
[02:52] ep0x: you're right, Infact if you want a heart attack : I'm still on XP
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[02:52] Lorentz: eh, I'm stuck on xp at work
[02:52] ep0x: Lorentz: Same, and it's not just XP that's outdated at my workplace
[02:52] m3rk3r_: Does anyone know why supervisor would be throwing an error:200 on the newest version of node?
[02:53] ningu: I use XP on my netbook because windows 7 is too much for it
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[02:57] m3rk3r_: Does anyone have any idea why im getting an error when running supervisor? http://pastebin.com/41E3YEFb running node -version v0.7.7-pre
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[03:03] shanebo: hey guys is there a socket for every request, or visitor connection?
[03:04] shanebo: ˆˆ when using socket.io
[03:04] brandwe: Anyone have experience with snapshot feature in node.js not working on EC2 x64 Amazon Linux? Got gdb attached but looking for help: https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/2912
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[03:09] tuhoojabotti: Is there a bench graph which shows the performance for each version of node
[03:09] ningu: shanebo: visitor connection
[03:09] ningu: shanebo: but it depends on the transport -- there isn't necessarily a 'socket' exactly
[03:09] raghu_: Hi do we have any live example in learning node.js
[03:09] raghu_: like building a blog  on node.js
[03:10] ningu: raghu_: http://howtonode.org/express-mongodb
[03:10] ningu: not live, but step by step
[03:10] shanebo: ningu, I'm using nodejitsu proxy + socket.io and it causes bad memory spikes so I'm wondering if I'm implementing socket.io correctly
[03:11] shanebo: ningu I put sockets in a room, and then in a route action I access to that room and broadcast to it as needed
[03:11] raghu_: @ningu - well saw this post but they start of with express.js which is a framework for node. do u suggest me in reading that ??
[03:12] context: if you are gonna make a blog you are prolly gonna use express
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[03:14] raghu_: okay thanks context, do u suggest where i can get the understanding about node, so that i can jump in to try the post which ningu suggested
[03:15] plato: raghu i'm in the same boat
[03:15] raghu_: oh gr8 plato.. welcome to node learning..
[03:16] kevinswiber: http://howtonode.org/
[03:16] plato: raghu_: this seemed like a good intro http://www.nodebeginner.org/
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[03:17] plato: haha http://www.howtonode.org 404's
[03:17] ningu: raghu_: just follow the tutorial, it's very short
[03:17] ningu: and you should get the idea right away if you are familiar with web programming
[03:17] raghu_: one more question, is node a gud programming for build a analytics system ??
[03:17] raghu_: building*
[03:17] ningu: and howtonode.org doesn't 404 for me ;)
[03:19] plato: ningu: www. does
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[03:19] plato: raghu_: i have only just started with express but in their docs it explained that requests pass through a chain of middleware
[03:20] plato: so you can build an analytics function that takes the request and does stuff and passes it on
[03:20] ningu: plato: hmm, true
[03:20] ningu: odd
[03:20] raghu_: but is node ready for building apps that PHP and ROR does...
[03:21] tuhoojabotti: Depends.
[03:21] tuhoojabotti: I'd say yes.
[03:21] plato: raghu_: it certainly looks like a shallower learning curve
[03:22] ningu: raghu_: node is faster than php and ruby. it has fewer existing libraries. not a small number of libraries, but less pre-fab things like drupal for php
[03:22] raghu_: okay
[03:23] raghu_: so have u guys built any app on node
[03:23] ep0x: raghu: I cry like a litle girl when I see javascript code, join me to the darkside of using coffeescript with node.js
[03:23] ep0x: mouahhaa
[03:23] tuhoojabotti: :E
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[03:24] plato: ep0x: coffeescript looks neat
[03:24] raghu_: i checked out coffeescript seems  adicting :)
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[03:26] raghu_: heard about tower.js ?
[03:26] ep0x: I cant say I have
[03:26] ningu: there are a million frameworks
[03:26] ningu: too many :P
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[03:27] michaelmartinez: Whad up Nodemon's?
[03:27] raghu_: ningu: Yea takes us to a confusion state.. and finally makes us to build our own framework for our requirments :)
[03:28] michaelmartinez: So I was talking to some java jsp'ers
[03:28] michaelmartinez: they were like... blah, blah, blah
[03:28] ningu: and you were like blah, blah, blah?
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[03:28] michaelmartinez: So I throat punched them for even talking like that 
[03:29] michaelmartinez: the end
[03:29] Sadin: Could anyone give me a good guide on adding Jquery to your pages properly without screwing up your node app
[03:29] raghu_: plato: how do u feel about node.. the main reason for me on trying node is because of even driven.. that makes real time apps REAL TIME
[03:29] ningu: Sadin: err, it's the same as adding jquery to anything
[03:29] Sadin: ningu really? i added links in my header and it broke my express app...
[03:29] Sadin: had to revert
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[03:30] ningu: maybe you used invalid jade syntax
[03:30] ningu: dunno
[03:30] kevinswiber: Sadin: Sure it wasn't your templating engine?
[03:30] kevinswiber: ningu: Jinx.  Smart.
[03:30] plato: raghu_: the future is distributed networks, node is good for that
[03:30] Sadin: kevinswiber who knows all i get from nodejitsu is internal server error lol
[03:30] Sadin: ill try again though
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[03:31] plato: http://blog.nodejitsu.com/building-an-anonymous-cloud-database
[03:31] kevinswiber: Unfortunately, Jade doesn't do a pretty print of HTML, so it's hard to work backwards when debugging.
[03:31] ningu: Sadin: test locally before pushing to nodejitsu
[03:31] ningu: kevinswiber: I just use the chrome element view, usually
[03:31] michaelmartinez: ningu that what I was thinking
[03:32] kevinswiber: ningu: Yeah, that works.  Inspect!
[03:32] Eruadan: nice, i just installed nodepress :)
[03:32] michaelmartinez: I don't know how to do shit yet, but I do know I need to develop that bitch locally
[03:32] ningu: kevinswiber: yeah, it's just faster
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[03:32] ep0x: Sadin: I googled that awhile back and found this link : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1801160/can-i-use-jquery-with-node-js   it's got a bunch of other links that might be interesting to you
[03:32] raghu_: so plato u have account at nodejitsu.com ?
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[03:34] ningu: ep0x: that's probably for server-side, he was just talking about client-side
[03:34] Sadin: does this look wrong to you guys? https://gist.github.com/2033831
[03:34] ningu: plato with an account at nodejitsu... what an anachronism
[03:34] ningu: besides, we all know plato used lisp
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[03:35] kevinswiber: Sadin: Looks like you're mixing ' and " in your script tags.
[03:36] raghu_: kevinswiber: will that really matter ??
[03:36] michaelmartinez: raghu it matters for coffeescript
[03:36] Sadin: i didnt think so but thanks for pointing it out
[03:36] ningu: it only matters if you do it within one string
[03:36] ningu: jade doesn't care
[03:36] ep0x: ningu: I think there's a way to write your node.js along with jquery on the server side, and then just send out the jquery code to the client
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[03:36] kevinswiber: raghu_: Actually, I have no idea how Jade handles that.
[03:37] ningu: kevinswiber: it looks fine to m
[03:37] ningu: e
[03:37] ningu: oh
[03:37] ningu: the issue is in index.jade
[03:37] ningu: you need to separate attributes with commas
[03:37] ningu: not spaces
[03:38] plato: raghu_: no i don't have a nodejitsu account, ive only seen their blog
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[03:38] plato: do they host node apps?
[03:38] raghu_: yea palto they do
[03:38] plato: k
[03:39] plato: i have no need for scaling right now, i test on a vps
[03:39] raghu_: oh gr8
[03:39] ningu: if you have a vps you don't need nodejitsu
[03:39] ningu: I mean, just to start out
[03:39] ningu: I used nodejitsu first cause i didn't have anywhere else to host
[03:39] raghu_: is cloud a gud suggestion for node or we can still stick with a VPS like linode ?
[03:40] ningu: nothing wrong with a vps
[03:40] ningu: you can run the node app on its own or through a reverse proxy like nginx
[03:40] plato: raghu_: dont use linode for bitcoin, har har
[03:41] raghu_: suggest me one.. linode is cheap thats what i know
[03:41] kevinswiber: raghu_: Re: cloud vs VPS... It really depends on what you're doing.
[03:41] ningu: I'm doing little enough that I'm using a VPS for now :)
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[03:42] plato: raghu_: 
[03:42] plato: http://www.google.com/search?q=date:2011-2012%20vps%20comparison
[03:48] Sadin: OKay im trying to get this http://jsfiddle.net/YDfKE/8/ to show up in my node app here http://sparkzdev.jit.su/ as you can see it doesnt show up properly i cant figure out what im missing/did wrong is it a jade error? heres a gist of my jade files too. https://gist.github.com/2033884 sorry to bother with these stupid little questions :/
[03:49] Sadin: raghu dont pay for linode....
[03:49] Sadin: http://alienvps.com/
[03:49] Sadin: much cheaper and they have deals on holidays :P
[03:50] Eruadan: i' m having an issue with nodepress. i installed mongodb then installed nodepress, it seems all good. http://127.0.0.1:8000 works in the browser, but when i hit http://127.0.0.1:8000/blog/install i got Oops! This link appears to be broken. what could it be? problem with mongo connection i guess...
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[03:51] insin: the jsfiddleversion doesn't have type='text/Javascript' in it
[03:52] insin: nm, doesn't seem to matter, same when you add it in jsfiddle
[03:53] insin: the way you're loading jquery after a script which depends on it might be an issue though :)
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[03:53] insin: "jQuery is not defined"
[03:54] Sadin: ah insin your one smart cookie didnt think of that
[03:55] Sadin: cause jsfiddle loads it by default of course...!
[03:55] insin: yup
[03:55] Sadin: insin thanks! worked like a charm! :D
[03:55] raghu_: hey i have this node thing running. When i open in browser its just getting downloaded
[03:56] raghu_: i mean a "Hello World" Program
[03:56] Sadin: ragu_ gist your program
[03:56] Sadin: raghu_
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[03:57] ningu: raghu_: sounds like you forgot to call a callback, but yeah, paste the code
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[03:57] raghu_: Sadin: here you go https://gist.github.com/2033945
[03:58] Sadin: texxt/plain
[03:58] ningu: erm, you misspelled the content type :P
[03:58] Sadin: ningu "high five" got that one!
[03:58] ningu: hehe
[03:58] ningu: at least it wasn't xxx
[03:58] Sadin: lololol
[03:58] Sadin: O.o what was node doing lol
[03:59] ningu: that would be nude.js
[03:59] raghu_: hahaha thx
[03:59] Sadin: XD
[03:59] raghu_: yea my new library :)
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[03:59] raghu_: http://www.patrick-wied.at/static/nudejs/ :)
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[04:33] shanebo: hey guys how can I stream a buffer rather than res.end(buffer)?
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[05:39] plato: im having trouble with node or express molesting my static files
[05:39] plato: it's adding <html> at the top of .js files. i don't know how a request for my javascript files is being handled
[05:41] kmiyashiro: plato: that's weird
[05:42] kmiyashiro: maybe it thinks they are views
[05:42] plato: its something to do with my express code. i am trying to rework snippets of it
[05:42] plato: app.use(express.static(__dirname + '/public')); is the last item in my middleware chain
[05:43] kmiyashiro: seems default
[05:43] kmiyashiro: probably something you changed
[05:43] plato: very
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[05:44] alejandromg: plato: did you check the statusCode of the response? What is it?
[05:45] plato: curl gives me 200 OK
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[05:49] plato: hmm i had a bad reference
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[05:59] zackattack: this has been boggling my mind for a day now.  can someone take a look? http://pastie.org/3591353
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[06:03] plato: q
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[06:05] zackattack: q?
[06:05] plato: mistyped, thought this was vim
[06:05] plato: sorry
[06:05] plato: :(
[06:06] sammmy: *cough cough*troll*cough cough*
[06:07] plato: should you use this.mostRecentScores instead of self?
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[06:09] sammmy: How do I use a different layout for a view render in Express?
[06:09] zackattack: plato:  self.mostRecentScores is working though
[06:09] michaelmartinez: Fuck Yeah Baby!!! I have completely ported this site to node as a learning tool... trivial but I am get my MOTHEREFFING learn on! http://lab.caffeineindustries.com/
[06:09] zackattack: when i console.log it, it works.
[06:10] michaelmartinez: That is all... carry on.
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[06:10] michaelmartinez: sammmy: app.set('view engine', 'ejs');
[06:10] michaelmartinez: for example
[06:11] sammmy: michaelmartinez: not how do I use another engine, how do I use another layout file.
[06:12] michaelmartinez: as 2 layout files?
[06:12] michaelmartinez: You want 2 layout files?
[06:12] sammmy: Well, don't views get rendered then passed to layout.ejs as the 'body' local?
[06:12] plato: zackattack: hmm JSON.stringify(getLeaderboard.mostRecentScores) is fucking up?
[06:13] plato: what type is mostRecentScores?
[06:13] michaelmartinez: They can
[06:13] michaelmartinez: You can specify what gets placed where
[06:14] sammmy: michaelmartinez: But how do you make another layout file and use that for a render?
[06:14] michaelmartinez: The flexibility is crazy and maddening at time... I just finally wrapped my mind around this
[06:14] michaelmartinez: Have you specified a bodyparser?
[06:16] michaelmartinez: I just use the layout for the "shell" then I place all the body stuff in different ejs files that are passed to layout before final render
[06:16] michaelmartinez: At least that is how I think it works and my site is running on localhost:4000 as we speak
[06:17] plato: i'm following socket.io docs to load the client side socket.io script with <script src="/socket.io/socket.io.js"></script>
[06:17] plato: but that's 404'ing
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[06:19] michaelmartinez: plato: what does your folder structure look like? I've never seen a leading "/" with out a .. infront of it client side
[06:19] michaelmartinez: try removing it
[06:19] michaelmartinez: or adding ..
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[06:21] jacoblyles: Why do some exceptions crash the node interactive prompt and others do not? If a particular exception always terminates the node prompt, should I report it?  
[06:21] jacoblyles: (I'm using a new irc client, so please forgive any odd behavior)
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[06:28] zackattack: plato:  mostRecentScores is an object array
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[06:29] zackattack: plato:  inside my callback, i do a console.log(arguments) and it's {}....
[06:30] plato: can you JSON.stringify(mostRecentScores[0])
[06:30] plato: zackattack: ^
[06:30] zackattack: 
ACTION tries..

[06:31] zackattack: plato:  i can't
[06:32] zackattack: but i can do... arguments[0]
[06:32] zackattack: wtf???
[06:34] systemfault: zackattack:What's up?
[06:34] zackattack: Hi?
[06:35] systemfault: Hi :P
[06:35] systemfault: What is the problem?
[06:35] zackattack: :p
[06:36] zackattack: callback insanity
[06:36] systemfault: You have a big callback triangle of death? :P
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[06:37] zackattack: the bermuda of callbacks
[06:38] systemfault: Do you have some code we could see?
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[06:38] zackattack: Is there a limit to the size of an object that can be passed to jade?
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[06:41] zackattack: yep, that was the problem
[06:41] zackattack: jade can't handle associative arrays.
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[06:42] plato: cool
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[06:48] framlin: just use weld ;)
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[07:13] eboy: I need to cross-platformly create path.join(foo, "blah", "config.json") if it doesn't exist. Is there an easy way to do that? My current solution only works on non-Windows.
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[07:13] eboy: It's pretty horendous.
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[07:17] seige: nodejs mongodb noob here. I am using mongodb-native-driver module and my find().toArray() never returns
[07:17] seige: any pointers why ?
[07:17] MerlinDMC: eboy, require('path').join('1','2','3')
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[07:19] eboy: MerlinDMC: Sorry, but that doesn't create directories.
[07:20] MerlinDMC: eboy, then i missunderstood the question ;)
[07:20] eboy: Heh yes.
[07:20] seige: does anyone know why mongodb-native-client find().toArray() call hangs ?
[07:20] seige: my callback is never invoked
[07:20] eboy: This creates a file in a directory. If the directory doesn't exist, it creates the directory.
[07:21] eboy: I'm sure I can hack something up.
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[07:42] levi501d: s/hari/hair
[07:42] levi501d: sorry first thing that popped into my head
[07:43] levi501d: anyone in here use drupal? and played with the nodejs drupal module?
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[07:59] Edler: hey guys, my first time using WebSockets
[07:59] Edler: i've gotten my client side code which should connect to a websocket
[07:59] Edler: now if i have a node server
[07:59] Edler: where can i get a sample code to listen and open a socket on the server side (node) ?
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[08:01] mansoor: Edler, if you want just a WS server https://github.com/einaros/ws seems to be a good choice
[08:02] Edler: where is the js file i must run using node ?
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[08:03] mansoor: Edler, you install that via npm
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[08:03] mansoor: what OS are you running and how did yo uinstall node?
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[08:04] Edler: Ubuntu 10.04
[08:04] Edler: using python
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[08:06] mansoor: Edler, install NPM  its a package manager for node.js modules  http://npmjs.org/
[08:06] Edler: yes
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[08:07] Edler: i just did and installed the ws module
[08:07] Edler: checking it out, thanks
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[08:09] Edler: manor, didn't work :(
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[08:10] Edler: here's the code i have on server : http://pastebin.com/dsSd2G0h (running)
[08:10] Edler: on client side i try to do : 	OurWebsocket = new WebSocket("ws://myserver:8080/");
[08:10] Edler: and it closes the socket immediatly
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[08:12] thirdknife: whats the most stable release?
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[08:19] [AD]Turbo: yo
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[08:35] zomg: thirdknife: probably the latest version in 0.6.x
[08:35] thirdknife: thanks zomg 
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[08:39] RLa: aren't earliest (and obsolete) versions most stable since they are not developed anymore?
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[08:45] zomg: RLa: Earlier releases would contain all the bugs which were fixed in newer releases
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[08:49] RLa: but won't newer releases contain more code and thus more possibilities for bugs :)
[08:49] zomg: Not necessarily
[08:50] zomg: The core would be more stable with newer releases but the newly added features could contain bugs, but you wouldn't even have those features with the old ones
[08:50] zomg: This would be my assumption of it anyways
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[09:17] disappearedng: Weird that there's no console.debug in ndoejs 
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[09:19] kPb_in: hey guys.. where can I get the source code of "os" module? tried finding it in github repo but couldn't 
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[09:23] insin: https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/lib/os.js
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[09:27] RLa: you might want to look at https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/src/node_os.cc too
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[09:39] thirdknife: is npm now already within node
[09:39] thirdknife: ?
[09:39] unomi: https://plus.google.com/u/0/114020236201265101594/posts/frDfcNXxAMK 
[09:39] mansoor: thirdknife, it comes with node installer on windows
[09:39] mansoor: may MAYBE* on macs
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[10:14] ginkosama: hi
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[10:16] ginkosama: I have a problem using node.js : I made a simple chat application using node.js and socket.io, i launch it on the server with "node chat.js &" and everything is fine, it run very well, but sometimes, the server just stop to run... and i don't know why, i can't find any node error log or similar problem on google, the problem iss obviously in my code, but how can i get the reason that make node stop ?
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[10:18] ginkosama: i tired to run it like this "node chat.js 1>node.log 2>node.err" and the console log are in node.log, but when the server crash, nothing in node.err
[10:18] mansoor: ginkosama, you could wrap the whole thingin a try catch :)
[10:18] ginkosama: tried*
[10:18] insin: http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/process.html#process_event_uncaughtexception
[10:18] ginkosama: mansoor, yep that's a good idea
[10:18] ginkosama: cool
[10:18] ginkosama: thank you insin
[10:18] ginkosama: i mean thank you both
[10:20] icebox: ginkosama: if you exit from the shell, you should use "nohup" to launch the server
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[10:30] ginkosama: if i put an "&" it's not enough icebox ?
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[10:33] icebox: ginkosama: no
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[10:34] icebox: ginkosama: the parent process of node one is the shell. If the shell is closed, the children processes are closed
[10:35] icebox: ginkosama: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nohup
[10:35] ginkosama: yes i'm reading it :)
[10:35] ginkosama: thanks
[10:36] icebox: ginkosama: but maybe it is not that your issue :)
[10:36] mansoor: Anyone know if its possible to forward a request for static content to nginx  from node-http-proxy?
[10:37] mansoor: the reason why i'm not forwarding from nginx to node is because nginx doesn't have support for websockets and I need that
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[10:40] icebox: mansoor: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2214289/is-there-a-solution-that-lets-node-js-act-as-an-http-reverse-proxy
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[10:41] icebox: mansoor: is it relevant to your issue?
[10:41] MerlinDMC: mansoor, nginx could handle the requests: https://github.com/yaoweibin/nginx_tcp_proxy_module
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[10:42] mansoor: yah just saw that
[10:42] anoop: how can I check the state of process from node, with it's PID
[10:42] mansoor: i guess i'll go with nginx being the reverse  proxy
[10:42] mansoor: thanks icebox and MerlinDMC 
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[10:47] anoop: I have spawned a process from a script, after some delay i have to kill it. When trying to kill, if the process is dead alredy the script breaks.
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[10:47] anoop: so how can i check whether a process is up or not, before killing it
[10:48] icebox: anoop: http://flowcoder.com/88
[10:48] icebox: anoop: it gets ps command output
[10:48] icebox: anoop: you may parse it 
[10:49] anoop: ok, will try it, thanks icebox
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[11:17] rlidwka: anoop: script should not break if a child process is dead
[11:17] rlidwka: try wrapping your code with try...catch
[11:17] rlidwka: and listen for 'error' events
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[11:25] anoop: rlidwka, The script breaks when trying to Process.kill() on already dead process
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[11:26] wingie: does fs has problems with reading ACL protected folders?
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[11:26] wingie: even though there are no permissions on it yet
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[11:43] rlidwka: anoop: what does mean "breaks"? your script throws some error that you have to catch, right?
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[12:33] anoop: rlidwka, the script exits
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[13:19] phrearch: hi
[13:20] phrearch: im new to node.js. would like to install vogue (https://github.com/quizlet/vogue/tree/master/src), but all it has is a source package. how can i install that with npm?
[13:21] benvie: says `npm install vogue -g`, that work?
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[13:23] mmalecki: is putting file extension at the end of a route RESTful?
[13:24] phrearch: benvie: doesnt that install from the main repos? i think that vogue version is deprecated
[13:24] mmalecki: like, PUT /route/resource/:id.tgz?
[13:24] phrearch: at least, socket.io doesnt work properly within my browser
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[13:26] benvie: oh
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[13:27] phrearch: ah the package file seemed to be invalid
[13:27] phrearch: its installing now
[13:27] benvie: good question mmalecki
[13:28] benvie: the other way seems less elegant, adding like a whole extra part to the route to specify format
[13:29] benvie: either that or using request headers to specify
[13:29] mmalecki: benvie: yeah, I'm currently using content-type, but it introduces hell lot of problems
[13:29] mmalecki: like, I accept JSON or tarball
[13:29] benvie: and isn't something a user can easily change by hand
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[13:30] phrearch: great, this version of vogue runs fine
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[13:30] phrearch: it seemed to be the socket.io version
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[14:06] qbit_: is there a way to kill a response from http.get after x chunks have been received? 
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[14:14] stagas: qbit_: res.destroy() maybe
[14:15] qbit_: wew - yep
[14:15] qbit_: thanks :D
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[14:16] newbieNode: hello, I'm trying to get node-v0.6.12 built on redhat and i'm getting a build error: 
[14:16] newbieNode: Build failed:  -> task failed (err #2): 
[14:16] newbieNode:  {task: uv uv.h -> uv.a} 
[14:16] newbieNode: any thoughts?
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[14:22] newbieNode: does anyone have any experience building Node on RedHat Enterprise?
[14:24] mansoor: newbieNode, is it similar to fedora? o_O
[14:24] newbieNode: maybe...i think the root of my build issue is this: cc1: unrecognized option `-Wextra' 
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[14:25] tmike: newbieNode: paste the output of the build
[14:25] newbieNode: with version node-v0.6.12
[14:25] newbieNode: [jsmith@dev04 node-v0.6.12]$ make Waf: Entering directory `/home/jsmith/node/node-v0.6.12/out' DEST_OS: linux DEST_CPU: ia32 Parallel Jobs: 1 Product type: program [ 1/35] copy: src/node_config.h.in -> out/Release/src/node_config.h [ 2/35] cc: deps/http_parser/http_parser.c -> out/Release/deps/http_parser/http_parser_3.o /usr/bin/gcc -rdynamic -pthread -m32 -g -O3 -DHAVE_OPENSSL=1 -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -DHAV
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[14:25] tmike: into a pastebin
[14:26] newbieNode: pastebin?
[14:26] tmike: pastebin.com
[14:26] newbieNode: i'm blocked from pastebin.com :(
[14:26] tmike: paste.totallymike.info
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[14:28] newbieNode: http://paste.totallymike.info/?p=i67fYBcv 
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[14:29] tmike: lol I didn't realize gcc had a 'pedantic' flag
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[14:29] newbieNode: easy fix?
[14:30] tmike: Are you sure you have all the build dependencies?  What version of RHEL are you using?
[14:30] tmike: (Those are two different questions)
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[14:31] newbieNode: i've installed the latest python and openssl and i get this build error.  
[14:31] tmike: What version of RHEL are you using?
[14:31] newbieNode: my version is: Linux dev04 2.4.21-47.EL #1 Wed Jul 5 20:46:55 EDT 2006 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux LSB_VERSION="1.3" Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES release 3 (Taroon Update 8)
[14:31] tmike: ooh yeah, you've probably got a tremendously old version of gcc, not to mention linux 2.4
[14:32] tmike: I don't know much about building it on that old of a system :-/
[14:32] newbieNode: oh ok...so should i upgrade gcc first and try that?
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[14:32] SomeoneWeird: Anyone know how to make express use ssl?
[14:33] tmike: You'll have a heck of a time getting that system to run a modern version of gcc
[14:33] tmike: what version is it, by the way?
[14:33] newbieNode: ok...thanks....i'll have to hunt for a more recent box..thanks Mike!
[14:33] tmike: Are you trying to build it on a server?
[14:33] newbieNode: yes
[14:33] tmike: I'm surprised to see RHEL3 still out there
[14:34] newbieNode: this is just an old development playground box...no real use...i think i can find a more updated box somewhere...
[14:34] tmike: You'll likely have an easier time of it there.  I wish you luck.
[14:34] newbieNode: thanks for the help tmike :)
[14:35] tmike: Not that I was much help, you're welcome.
[14:36] tmike: HAS anyone built node on a 2.4 system?
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[14:37] tmike: I can't imagine it even has gcc 4.x on it.
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[15:03] yawNO: sup
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[15:07] baudehlo: tmike: I tried once, and failed. It needs epoll which came in 2.6.
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[15:09] MerlinDMC: baudehlo, there should be an epoll patch for 2.4 around
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[15:10] MerlinDMC: http://www.xmailserver.org/linux-patches/nio-improve.html#patches there :)
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[15:19] baudehlo: MerlinDMC: yeah I know, but really if you're going to patch your kernel to add in epoll, why not just run a new kernel?
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[15:20] MerlinDMC: maybe because of some weird old hardware that has no usable drivers in newer kernels ... I would not run a 2.4 kernel if I can choose
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[15:22] baudehlo: *nod*
[15:22] yawNO: *node*
[15:22] baudehlo: we had the opposite problem at my last company - new hardware required a newer kernel and we didn't want to upgrade the OS.
[15:22] yawNO: ok that was a terrible joke :<
[15:23] baudehlo: But then, it was Red Hat 8.
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[15:29] maritz: yawNO: yo mama is so blocking, the event loop just gave up and comitted suicide when it saw her.
[15:29] maritz: now that is a terrible joke.
[15:30] mmalecki: I facepalmed and lol'd at the same time
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[15:31] yawNO: maritz: yo mama's so dumb she took a spoon to the super bowl
[15:31] yawNO: now what?
[15:32] maritz: my momma don't even know wat da supa bowl is, dude
[15:32] maritz: oh wait, that was the joke
[15:32] maritz: .... :x
[15:32] yawNO: its known that germans dont get jokes
[15:32] yawNO: no problem
[15:32] maritz: alhtough i suspect she knows the difference between supper and super.
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[15:33] yawNO: maritz: super is also big
[15:33] maritz: yes, i know
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[15:33] yawNO: yo mama so fat when she wears something yellow they call her taxiii
[15:33] yawNO: and thats all i know ._.
[15:33] maritz: better than zeppelin
[15:33] yawNO: im no comedian
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[15:35] yawNO: why
[15:35] yawNO: zeppelins are solid and reliable
[15:35] CoverSlide: I'm so async my legos are non-blocking
[15:35] bnoordhuis: *drum roll*
[15:35] yawNO: you should call your next project zeppelin, maritz .. it will be a blast
[15:36] CoverSlide: call it hindenberg
[15:36] maritz: and introduce a hindenbug
[15:37] yaymukund: anyone know why should.not.exist(null) isn't working? (using should.js)
[15:37] yawNO: i was trying to make it more subtle.. thank you captain Obvious :(
[15:37] maritz: ok, next target in life: built a web app that has an automatic switch that deletes all source code, databases and backups once it hits 1m users.
[15:37] maritz: *build
[15:37] yawNO: maritz: its called pinterest
[15:37] yawNO: wait and see.
[15:37] mansoor: uhhh all this witty word play is freeking me out
[15:37] mansoor: :(
[15:38] yaymukund: looks like the Readme.md commit that adds documentation for should.not.exist is merged into master, but not the actual code that implements it lol
[15:38] maritz: mansoor: don't worry, it's not witty at all, it's just stupid. so you're better off not reading it :D
[15:38] mansoor: yippe
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[15:40] yawNO: yaymukund: because null is treated as false? just guessing
[15:40] yawNO: oh wait
[15:40] yawNO: read it wrong.. sry
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[15:40] maritz: yawNO: haha, if you go to pinterest and just press page down until you're at the bottom, it transfers over 20mb overall :D
[15:40] yawNO: maritz: its art, not stupid jokes
[15:41] yawNO: Y U NO get it
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[15:41] yawNO: maritz: twitter isnt that far away
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[15:41] yaymukund: yawNO: it fails with "Object has no property exist". I think there's a ticket but it seems weird that the docs would say it works when it doesn't. oh well..
[15:41] yawNO: thank god they fixed my internet
[15:41] maritz: oh well, i guess 19mb of that is facebook pictures, so pinterest doesn't care about the traffic :D
[15:41] CoverSlide: why does the first world problems meme picute look like a domestic abuse shot?
[15:42] CoverSlide: *picture
[15:42] yawNO: yaymukund: you sure its not and not not()?
[15:42] yawNO: maritz: hot linking is for loosers
[15:42] yawNO: i would directly iframe the page
[15:42] yawNO: :trollface:
[15:43] maritz: no, i made a mistake, it's actually hosted on the pinterest cdn but initiated by facebook graph bullshit
[15:43] yawNO: maritz: you should check out towerjs
[15:43] yawNO: looks like the framework for you
[15:44] CoverSlide: coffee sucks
[15:44] CoverSlide: coffee is not for closures
[15:44] yawNO: well i like coffee
[15:44] yawNO: i think you mean cs though
[15:45] maritz: yaymukund: where are you using shoul.js? node.js or in the browser?
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[15:46] yaymukund: maritz, yawNO: could be my error. I am taking another look at my code. I'm using should.js with Mocha
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[15:47] maritz: can you show a gist?
[15:47] yaymukund: maritz, yawNO: that is, with node
[15:47] yawNO: yaymukund: wat?
[15:47] maritz: yeah, i was just asking because some browsers don't support getters/setters yet and for some reason tj loves using them (although i've seen him comment that they're a bad thing, i think)
[15:48] yawNO: getter setters are sloooow
[15:48] tjholowaychuk: i dont love them
[15:48] yawNO: hohoho
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[15:48] tjholowaychuk: should.js isnt supposed to be a browser lib
[15:48] remysharp: anyone know if there's a websocket node module that supports wss? (secure)?
[15:48] yawNO: maritz: you got owned :D
[15:48] tjholowaychuk: there's expect.js / chai available as well
[15:48] tjholowaychuk: and assert() of course
[15:49] tjholowaychuk: getters are only "good" for cute little test APIs haha
[15:49] tjholowaychuk: if even then
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[15:49] yawNO: they slow the hell down.. i hope proxies will fix this bottleneck.. havent looked at benchmarks though
[15:49] maritz: yeah, i mean looking at the should.js code gives me a bit of a headache to be honest. (at least compared to most of the other code i've seen from you which is mostly clean and awesome).
[15:50] tjholowaychuk: haha yeah exactly
[15:50] tjholowaychuk: proxies / accessors are just
[15:50] tjholowaychuk: unnecessary
[15:50] yawNO: why
[15:50] tjholowaychuk: but they're there so it can be tempting to use them
[15:50] tjholowaychuk: unfortunately
[15:50] maritz: there's like 4 different ways to get a not.exist() in there
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[15:50] yaymukund: https://gist.github.com/73ce62dda992a9ddc029
[15:51] tjholowaychuk: oh i didnt add that
[15:51] tjholowaychuk: i dont like that
[15:51] tjholowaychuk: assert(foo)
[15:51] yawNO: i mean its kinda nice to be able to implement method missing etc
[15:51] tjholowaychuk: ftw
[15:51] tjholowaychuk: yawNO nooo
[15:51] tjholowaychuk: that's bad
[15:51] tjholowaychuk: hah
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[15:51] tjholowaychuk: anyway im out
[15:51] maritz: bye :)
[15:51] yawNO: tjholowaychuk: damn .. next time you join tell me why
[15:51] yawNO: :P
[15:51] yaymukund: maritz: actually, crap, I think I just got a different bug. It's not the should.not.exist that's breaking
[15:52] yaymukund: maritz: I think I need to debug this myself for a bit longer before bothering anyone else :)
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[15:52] yawNO: frozen coffee
[15:52] yawNO: or whatever its name is
[15:52] remysharp: secure websockets - any modules support this yet?
[15:53] CoverSlide: iced-coffee-script
[15:53] maritz: yeah, it's coffeescript anyways which is being investigated for irc-help-sanctions by the international congress for internets
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[15:53] maritz: remysharp: you mean wss? i think most ws implementations should be able to handle it?! socket.io does, afaik
[15:54] yawNO: remysharp: http://groups.google.com/group/socket_io/browse_thread/thread/ba8d5bd06db781b1
[15:54] yawNO: 5 secs on google.. GIYF
[15:54] yawNO: maritz: thats modded cs
[15:54] maritz: wtf?
[15:54] remysharp: off top of your head - is that in websocket.io? I couldn't find any references
[15:54] yawNO: it introduces defer and awaits
[15:54] maritz: that's banned by the UN
[15:55] maritz: yawNO: your link is 2 years old.... :D
[15:55] yawNO: which should make your code more readable 
[15:55] maritz: remysharp: no idea
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[15:55] CoverSlide: tame.js added defer and waits, iced just puts that into coffescript
[15:55] yawNO: maritz: so? :< old things are the good ones
[15:55] maritz: (you missed that it's only 1.5 years old, phew)
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[15:57] CoverSlide: the old pythonism should apply to javascript "We're all consenting adults here"
[15:57] yawNO: maritz: i found icecreams in my refrigerator
[15:57] yawNO: fuck you
[15:57] yawNO: :D
[15:57] insin: CoverSlide++
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[15:57] yawNO: just being completely unrelated because i have no more arguments
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[15:59] kenperkins: is there a recommended way of sending a static file on disk over the wire via http? I've seen implementations using both fs.readFile and fs.createReadStream
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[15:59] CoverSlide: fs.createReadStream would be the best
[15:59] CoverSlide: because is writes as it reads
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[16:01] yaymukund: ok it works :D the test was breaking because, uh, the thing it was testing was broken.
[16:01] kenperkins: thanks CoverSlide 
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[16:01] kenperkins: lol CoverSlide: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4589732/what-are-the-pros-and-cons-of-fs-createreadstream-vs-fs-readfile-in-node-js
[16:01] kenperkins: search is my friend
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[16:02] jn: just finished my node.js project!
[16:02] jn: http://jnordberg.github.com/wintersmith/
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[16:02] maritz: yawNO: i ate a litre of ice over the past 2 days, i'm done with ice for at least a week :D
[16:03] yawNO: ice or icecreams
[16:03] yawNO: and .. why in hell do you measure ice in liters?
[16:04] maritz: ice cream, yeah. uhhm... beceause that's what ice cream is measured in?!
[16:04] dscape: any pointers on how to use domains in current node ?
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[16:06] CoverSlide: are domains even implemented yet?
[16:07] yawNO: maritz: we measure it in kilos
[16:07] yawNO: ._.
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[16:09] michaelmartinez: Where are the cool kids hosting thier node apps these days?
[16:09] yawNO: vacations
[16:10] mmalecki: michaelmartinez: nodejitsu :)
[16:10] CoverSlide: nodejitsu mothafuckaaaaah
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[16:10] nathanielk: personal rackspace?
[16:10] maritz: yawNO: i bet berlusconi introduced that?!
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[16:10] michaelmartinez: Mmalecki... Yeah, you have a horse in that game. haha. I've signed up but have yet to hear anything.
[16:10] yawNO: maritz: its because you dont DRINK icecream
[16:10] yawNO: you EAT it
[16:11] yawNO: at least real ice cream
[16:11] kenperkins: nathanielk: that's what we do (rackspace)
[16:11] maritz: nodejitsu (or as a backup if nodejitsu doesn't offer what i need *yet*, a vps)
[16:11] mmalecki: michaelmartinez: http://gimmesomebeta.jit.su/ - our magical unicorn will hook you up :)
[16:11] mmalecki: maritz: what do you need?
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[16:11] nathanielk: kenperkins: i'm a unixbeard control freak... heroku, nodejitsu and friends just stress me out
[16:11] maritz: yawNO: ice cream at room temperature is a liquid which is why it's measured in litres. don't try to argue with me, i'm going to hammer you with italy stereotypes! :P
[16:11] CoverSlide: screw rackspace, use joyent!
[16:11] kenperkins: I actually think they are great, when you don't have a lot of limitations
[16:12] michaelmartinez: mmalecki: nice! The magical unicorn. FTFW!
[16:12] kenperkins: or your ambition is well defined
[16:12] kenperkins: rather, when you don't mind limitations
[16:12] maritz: mmalecki: did you get libxm2-dev installed on nodejitsu? :D
[16:12] nathanielk: CoverSlide: i would if i could afford it :)
[16:12] nathanielk: i like what i've read of smartos
[16:12] yawNO: maritz: whats wrong with you guys.. icecream is goddam solid
[16:12] nathanielk: but for sideprojects and things (even for my startup) i need cheap as possible
[16:12] mmalecki: maritz: we'll roll this out in the next deploy
[16:12] yawNO: if you melt gold do you measure it in kilos?
[16:12] yawNO: dafuq
[16:12] maritz: yawNO: everything is solid at 0K
[16:13] yawNO: *liters
[16:13] maritz: it's about room temperature (or maybe 0, at which ice cream melts as well btw)
[16:13] yawNO: maritz: actually 0K is where you dont have any mass
[16:13] maritz: mmalecki: see, until then my app is running on my vps :)
[16:13] CoverSlide: eww xml
[16:14] michaelmartinez: xmhell
[16:14] maritz: CoverSlide: yeah, sadly the api i'm querying is still working on a json output and doesn't have a release date for that yet. :(
[16:14] yawNO: maritz: so do you measure beer in kilos
[16:14] maritz: it's worse though, because it's a huge amount of data, the preferred format is xml in zip files. :D
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[16:14] yawNO: i remember a oub i went in berlin
[16:14] CoverSlide: there are pure JS xml parsers / builders
[16:14] michaelmartinez: ha
[16:14] maritz: yawNO: no, because it is liquid at room temperature. wtf?!
[16:14] yawNO: you could ask for a meter of beer
[16:15] maritz: CoverSlide: i know. and they all suck.
[16:15] yawNO: supah cool
[16:15] CoverSlide: do they?
[16:15] maritz: yes
[16:15] maritz: utterly
[16:16] michaelmartinez: How much data maritz, just curious
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[16:16] yawNO: maritz: you mean your app that implodes when it reaches 1m users?
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[16:17] Industrial: Does FlatIron have an IRC channel
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[16:18] yawNO: Industrial: join #nodejitsu 
[16:18] Industrial: k
[16:18] maritz: yawNO: no, that's a different one
[16:18] yawNO: too bad
[16:18] yawNO: :(
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[16:18] maritz: michaelmartinez: good question, no idea. wasn't my idea with the zip stuff. :D
[16:18] CoverSlide: hows rackspace cloud compare to ec2?
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[16:19] nathanielk: CoverSlide: vastly cheaper. $11-15/month for 24/7 uptime of their smallest linux
[16:19] baudehlo: ec2 is vastly over priced. Convenient though.
[16:20] baudehlo: access to S3 is nice and fast too.
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[16:20] maritz: michaelmartinez: thetvdb.com theoretically "huge amount of data" is really dramatizised and i assume it's just to save a couple of mb because the traffic needs to be paid by someone and there isn't really any income for thetvdb.com except through donations.
[16:20] maritz: i'd really prefer tar.gz though :D
[16:21] tmike: Where I come from, a huge amount of data is billions of rows ;)
[16:22] michaelmartinez: I see... is this a client of yours or your project?
[16:22] CoverSlide: rows are for dinosaurs
[16:22] CoverSlide: keys are the new rows
[16:22] tmike: quite so
[16:22] yawNO: maritz: you make money out of donations? shame on you
[16:23] tmike: 
ACTION still has to use db2 at work

[16:23] baudehlo: CoverSlide: http://blog.evernote.com/tech/2012/02/23/whysql/
[16:23] michaelmartinez: yawNO that is how the US makes money
[16:23] yawNO: michaelmartinez: really
[16:23] michaelmartinez: Fuck that world goes round on donations. it is what it is
[16:23] michaelmartinez: the world
[16:23] yawNO: lets have a startup that processes donations
[16:24] yawNO: \s
[16:24] tmike: listening to rms, donations is the only ethical way to write software <insert eye-rolly face here>
[16:24] maritz: well, just getting the tv info of lost is >5k lines of xml. sure, nothing in an enterprise environment, but in an opensource self-financed api, every bit matters. :/
[16:24] Industrial: With Flatiron's Resourceful:
[16:24] Industrial: can I do this: Tag = resourceful.define 'tag' Tag.property 'name', String   Item = resourceful.define 'item' Item.property 'tags', [Tag]
[16:24] michaelmartinez: At the end of the day, when you pay someone, you are giving them a donation
[16:24] Industrial: I'd be using a MongoDB backend, and expect Tag to be saved on the Item document
[16:24] maritz: yawNO: not me... thetvdb.com. i'm just using their api.
[16:24] Industrial: I'm looking for an odm that automatically converts subdocument trees to model isntances when you find it
[16:24] Industrial: that is not Mongoose, because I've found it to be slow
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[16:24] maritz: michaelmartinez: my own project :D
[16:25] yawNO: maritz: y dont they use json
[16:25] yawNO: much more compact
[16:25] michaelmartinez: nice, good luck brosef
[16:25] CoverSlide: a donation that's not tax-deductible
[16:25] maritz: (again, not thetvdb.com but an app that queries it)
[16:25] Industrial: I'm using a homebrew solution at work but it doesn't support any kind of data content validation, just types on save.
[16:25] michaelmartinez: I gots some shit to get done... until next time gentlemen
[16:25] yawNO: byw
[16:25] maritz: yawNO: Y U NO READ? (they're developing a json api)
[16:25] Industrial: https://github.com/pmlopes/p-odm
[16:25] yawNO: oh
[16:25] yawNO: csb
[16:25] tmike: Not everyone has grok'd json yet.  Some APIs still think xml's the way to go
[16:25] yawNO: i like json better
[16:26] CoverSlide: yaml ftw!
[16:26] tmike: of course, we're working with js ;)
[16:26] yawNO: its a matter of choice i suppose
[16:26] maritz: it really depends on what kind of data you have. there are still valid uses for xml, imo
[16:26] tmike: such as heavily attributed data
[16:26] maritz: *troll*like SOAP*/troll*
[16:26] yawNO: tmike: thats true
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[16:27] yawNO: but you could just embed a document and its done
[16:27] yawNO: uhm
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[16:27] yawNO: to watch or not to watch resident evil?
[16:27] tmike: I agree.  As I'm saying that I'm thinking it could still be easier just to hash everything out in JSON
[16:27] CoverSlide: residentevil--
[16:27] CoverSlide: they all sucked
[16:28] yawNO: i've seen 2 and 3
[16:28] tmike: It's the "I Love My Wife's Tits" film series.
[16:28] yawNO: not great but now awful eithet
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[16:29] maritz: the first was awesome
[16:29] maritz: especially the soundtrack
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[16:29] tmike: baudehlo: I'm reading this WhySQL article, and I'm thinking.  It seems like the summary of the article is "ACID ACID ACID", but Couch is ACID too, no?
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[16:31] Industrial: Anyone have an idea?
[16:31] Industrial: mmalecki: ?
[16:31] maritz: tmike: does any database sufficently implement the D part that isn't a file system based database?
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[16:31] Industrial: (I remember you advising me FlatIron :p)
[16:31] yawNO: yeah im having pizza tonight
[16:32] Industrial: Burger king then snowboarding (in a hall) for me :)
[16:32] baudehlo: tmike: well couch is acid when you write one record. But you can't update "relations" in couch in an ACID way.
[16:32] yawNO: wat?
[16:32] tmike: maritz: I really don't know.  I'm just getting into playing with couch
[16:32] yawNO: snowboarding?
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[16:32] yawNO: jeez snow melted here ;_
[16:32] yawNO: i hate you
[16:32] Industrial: snowboarding in a fake environment with real snow, to like, relax, you know.
[16:32] Industrial: with a roof on it ;o
[16:32] tmike: baudehlo: I dig.  That requires running the view and having it rebuild the whole view cache thing, right?
[16:32] yawNO: wat?
[16:33] yawNO: whats that?
[16:33] mmalecki: Industrial: sup?
[16:33] Industrial: can I do this: Tag = resourceful.define 'tag' Tag.property 'name', String   Item = resourceful.define 'item' Item.property 'tags', [Tag]
[16:33] Industrial: with a mongodb backend saving the tags a subdocument on the item
[16:33] baudehlo: tmike: I'm not sure. I don't even think it's possible in NoSQL databases because they don't have relations in the traditional sense.
[16:33] tmike: right
[16:33] baudehlo: everything is denormalised.
[16:34] baudehlo: I considered using Couch (and tried really hard) when I was writing some mailing list software for Haraka...
[16:34] mmalecki: Industrial: interesting question
[16:34] tmike: It seems like the going philosophy is to try to dodge relations entirely, right?
[16:34] mmalecki: let me see
[16:34] Industrial: mmalecki: another is if when finding a document it would convert the document structure of the subdocuments back into model instances
[16:34] maritz: tmike: there are libs that do relations on nosql dbs
[16:35] baudehlo: but when it came down to it, if you updated your email address you'd have to go through every list you were a member of and update the address there too. And it just seemed like I was replicating the concepts of a relational db, when I could just use one.
[16:35] mmalecki: Industrial: we actually use Array
[16:35] mmalecki: so I guess it's not that simple
[16:35] Industrial: right
[16:35] tmike: baudehlo: you can't just slap an array of mailing list IDs to each user?
[16:36] baudehlo: tmike: that would be incredibly slow.
[16:36] tmike: I don't know very well the structure of haraka though
[16:36] tmike: indeed
[16:36] Industrial: There's several other ODM's out there like JugglingDB but I don't know the innards of one yet :)
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[16:36] baudehlo: because you if you get an email to a list, to find who to send it to you'd have to go through every user to see if they had that list.
[16:36] tmike: you'd have to query each user and then see if they were in a list
[16:36] Industrial: I'm using https://github.com/pmlopes/p-odm at work but it's fairly simple
[16:36] maritz: if anyone wants to give a try to a redis orm, i've got nohm :D
[16:37] baudehlo: again, it came down to "why am I trying so hard? This is what relational DBs were built for"
[16:37] tmike: how about attaching a user ID to each list?  I suppose that would require a million and a half queries against the users to get all their addresses at that point
[16:37] tmike: And again, that is exactly what relational DBs are for.
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[16:37] baudehlo: well I'm sure there is probably a way.
[16:37] baudehlo: but I didn't know couch/nosql at all.
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[16:38] baudehlo: so I felt like I was fighting against the architecture just to be able to say "I'm using NoSQL".
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[16:38] baudehlo: when using postgres was just the right thing to do.
[16:38] CoverSlide: well internally isn't that what the RDBMS's are doing anyways?
[16:38] tmike: I don't know it well at all either.  I'm just asking because I've not dug into nosql enough to have met these problems, so your experience is useful to me.
[16:39] tmike: CoverSlide: I think the difference is that RDBMs have been optimized over however many decades to be really super good at mapping out these requests
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[16:39] CoverSlide: perhaps
[16:40] baudehlo: right. Plus RDBMs' build indexes for this stuff. And have really good query optimisers.
[16:40] tmike: I'm only supposing out loud though, so if I'm wrong I hope someone speaks up ;)
[16:40] tmike: indeed indexes have a lot of strength
[16:40] baudehlo: I think a lot of people use NoSQL because they've bought the kool-aid rather than actually knowing where SQL is good and the real strengths of NoSQL.
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[16:41] CoverSlide: One thing I hate about SQL is SQL
[16:41] tmike: It's nice if you want a simple key/value store with a bit of querying sugar
[16:41] baudehlo: Hehe yeah - see I don't mind SQL.
[16:41] tmike: And that's more than sufficient for a lot of applications
[16:41] baudehlo: But I learned it well about 18 years ago.
[16:41] tmike: I use SQL quite a lot.
[16:42] tmike: again, the whole billions of rows thing
[16:42] baudehlo: This was pretty impressive: http://www.postgresql.fr/en:temoignages:le_bon_coin
[16:42] CoverSlide: I don't like the idea of constantly building a DSL string
[16:42] tmike: DSL string?
[16:42] CoverSlide: I'd prefer to have something more programmatic
[16:42] CoverSlide: SQL is a DSL
[16:42] tmike: Oh forming an SQL query
[16:42] baudehlo: well with NoSQL Javascript is often your "DSL"
[16:42] tmike: yeah, you can get around it pretty well
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[16:43] baudehlo: so you pick your battles.
[16:43] tmike: with stored predures, and preparing your queries
[16:43] tmike: procedures*
[16:43] tmike: baudehlo: broken link?
[16:43] baudehlo: tmike: wfm
[16:43] CoverSlide: syntax is horrible though, seemed to be created for people who don't know how to program
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[16:44] tmike: It's a suitable syntax for what it is.  It needs to be clear and flexible, rather than concise
[16:45] baudehlo: CoverSlide: every language has horrible aspects of syntax. I don't really even see it any more. All I see now is blonde, brunette, redhead.
[16:45] tmike: indeed, consider the curve with javascript
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[16:46] baudehlo: yeah. Here's your (function (thing) { … })(thing_to_capture)
[16:46] baudehlo: barf
[16:46] baudehlo: although "let" will mitigate that.
[16:46] tmike: mmm
[16:46] tmike: ES6 is looking pretty hot
[16:46] CoverSlide: couch and mongo use spidermonkey, which already has let
[16:47] baudehlo: I think node does too, right? If you pass certain flags at startup.
[16:47] CoverSlide: right, but not by default
[16:47] tmike: coming from python, [a, b] = (function (a, b) {return [b, a]})(a, b) is pretty attractive
[16:47] baudehlo: --harmony_block_scoping ?
[16:47] CoverSlide: yeah something like that
[16:48] baudehlo: yeah it's a shame you can't do something like: "use strict"; "use harmony_block_scoping";
[16:48] CoverSlide: but it all depends on the size of they gat
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[16:51] tmike: or even [a, b] = [b, a]
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[16:51] tmike: var a = 1, b = 2; [a, b] = [b, a];
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[16:53] benvie: oh wow
[16:54] benvie: this verion of v8 has
[16:54] benvie: --harmony_proxies default: true
[16:54] benvie: --harmony_collections default: true
[16:54] mmalecki: oh? neat!
[16:54] yawNO: wat?
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[16:54] yawNO: benvie: version?
[16:54] chrisjpowers: Hey guys, I'm trying to create an NPM mirror that replicates from the main registry and houses internal NPM packages. I have a CouchDB 1.1.1 instance running and have successfully replicated the registry and pushed the couchapp. Unfortunately, npm adduser seems to be adding user to a "/registry/-" document rather than the _users db. I assume this means the redirects are not working properly -- do I need to install CouchDB 1.2.0?
[16:54] benvie: is this right? wtf
[16:54] mmalecki: benvie: seems disable on node master
[16:54] benvie: 3.9.5
[16:55] CoverSlide: too bad proxies got dropped from harmony
[16:55] mmalecki: wtf?
[16:55] benvie: oh wait nm
[16:55] yawNO: :|
[16:55] mmalecki: they got dropped? why? when?
[16:55] benvie: I think it's my setu-
[16:55] benvie: and no they didn't
[16:55] CoverSlide: they got replaced by "direct proxies"
[16:55] yawNO: they did not drop in harmony
[16:55] yawNO: exactly
[16:55] benvie: oh lol
[16:55] benvie: that's just better proxies
[16:55] CoverSlide: which is a different syntax
[16:55] benvie: way easier to use
[16:56] yawNO: well theyre always proxies
[16:56] benvie: yeah
[16:56] benvie: mostly the same, same semantics basically
[16:56] yawNO: benvie: so what
[16:56] yawNO: are they enabled?
[16:56] benvie: sec
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[16:56] yawNO: thx
[16:57] benvie: woops sorry
[16:57] yawNO: ;_;
[16:57] CoverSlide: I'm just saying --harmony_direct_proxies doesn't use the current Proxy syntax, it uses the old one
[16:57] benvie: it says default but
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[16:57] benvie: it's just cause I have it set to run with the flag always
[16:57] CoverSlide: --harmony_proxies*
[16:57] benvie: I know
[16:57] isaacs: chrisjpowers: you need to set up a redirect, or point the registry config to url.local/registry/_design/app/_redirect
[16:57] benvie: that is why this exists: https://github.com/Benvie/Direct-Proxies-Shim-Shim-for-Node-and-Chrome
[16:57] isaacs: chrisjpowers: er, "set up a *vhost"
[16:57] benvie: ;)
[16:58] benvie: doesn't work in chrome anymore cause I don't feel like fixing browser loading
[16:58] benvie: works fine in node though
[16:58] yawNO: you could have chosen a longer nane
[16:58] yawNO: :P
[16:58] benvie: I don't think I could have in fact
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[16:58] CoverSlide: shimmy-shimmy bang-bang
[16:58] benvie: it shims a shim
[16:58] CoverSlide: how about dp-shim
[16:58] benvie: which shims proxies
[16:58] chrisjpowers: Thanks isaacs, I'll give that a try
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[17:00] benvie: at least the npm module name is just "direct-proxies"
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[17:01] benvie: but yeah as I was trying to get originally, these are the flags in recent v8
[17:01] benvie: harmony_typeof, harmony_scoping, harmony_modules, harmony_proxies, harmony_collections
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[17:02] benvie: and harmony, but modules are bugged in the v8 in node (unless it was upgraded in 0.7.6)
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[17:03] booyaa_: halp!
[17:04] benvie: ooh looks like v8 upgrade came in then, cool
[17:04] booyaa_: how do use mikeal's request within a module i'm writing so it return the contents of the body
[17:05] booyaa_: will gist the module
[17:05] benvie: Added Object.is, Number.isFinite, Number.isNaN, Added basic interface inference for modules (behind the --harmony flag)
[17:05] benvie: sweet
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[17:09] booyaa_: https://gist.github.com/2037937
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[17:09] benvie:  Object.is(NaN, NaN) --> true. That somehow seems misplaced on Object
[17:09] booyaa_: I know I could assign a variable to the contents, but then I still need some way for the return to run after the callback has completed
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[17:11] yawNO: benvie: would you rather have instance.is(NaN)
[17:11] yawNO: ?
[17:11] benvie: no lol I guess there's not really a better answer
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[17:16] maritz: wait, what? what happened to isNaN? or am i missing something here?
[17:17] benvie: it's on Number
[17:17] benvie: and Object.is is stricter equals that returns true for NaN compared to NaN
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[17:18] benvie: well technically less strict
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[17:18] maritz: booyaa_: wait, what? you're doing an async request at which point you shouldn't return anything (except if you're going for a promise style)
[17:19] bnoordhuis: benvie: isn't a main concept of a NaN that it's unequal to everything, including itself?
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[17:19] benvie: with strict equals yeah
[17:19] benvie: but that's an issue for some stuff
[17:19] bnoordhuis: .. Nan === NaN
[17:19] bnoordhuis: where's that damn bot?
[17:19] sechrist_: anybody know if an iphone 4s battery fits a 4?
[17:19] benvie: it's still the same
[17:19] benvie: but now you can do Object.is 
[17:20] bnoordhuis: sechrist_: try #churchofsteve
[17:20] benvie: if you need it be equal to itself and for -0 to equal 0
[17:20] benvie: which is important for Maps and WeakMaps
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[17:20] sechrist_: har har
[17:20] benvie: like you can't use indexOf to find NaN in an array because it uses strict equals
[17:20] benvie: so NaN is like a ghost
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[17:21] sechrist_: I don't praise the guy like he's a demigod. I just think apple devices are high quality
[17:21] booyaa_: maritz: so what's best way to use request within a module?
[17:22] bnoordhuis: sechrist_: not a demigod?
[17:22] booyaa_: i'm trying to do all the parsing of the body and just return plain text via a function call
[17:22] benvie: it's pretty easy to accidentally fill a Map up with NaN if every usage of it is unique, that's kind of ridiculous really that it works like that
[17:22] bnoordhuis: 
ACTION grabs his torch

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[17:23] maritz: booyaa_: read up on what it means to do asynchronous stuff
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[17:23] maritz: you don't return anything
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[17:23] maritz: you have a callback as an argument and call that once you're done
[17:23] maritz: (in an async function where you don't use a promise style of async callbacks)
[17:24] booyaa_: not even via callback function?
[17:24] booyaa_: i.e. callback(null, blah)
[17:24] maritz: what the??????
[17:25] maritz: yes via callback
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[17:26] maritz: yawNO: help me out here
[17:26] yawNO: maritz: wat
[17:26] maritz: help booyaa_ 
[17:26] maritz: i've gotta go
[17:26] maritz: :D
[17:26] maritz: TAG, YOU'RE IT
[17:26] maritz: bye
[17:26] yawNO: im watching a movie 
[17:26] yawNO: crap
[17:27] booyaa_: yawNO: heh
[17:28] booyaa_: nm, always worth asking here first. will go hunt down a module that does something similar and rip the code
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[17:42] tmike: nodejitsu is hot.  This infrastructure is pretty neat.
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[17:43] yawNO: true
[17:44] mmalecki: :)
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[17:45] tmike: I hope you don't mind that I seduced the unicorn into starting my account.
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[17:46] stagas: you guys should run this on chrome https://github.com/stagas/maptail/blob/master/examples/extreme-traffic.js
[17:47] stagas: node doesn't even sweat
[17:47] mmalecki: tmike: not at all :)
[17:47] stagas: even with higher values, but then chrome gets slow
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[17:47] tmike: Thanks!
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[17:51] recursivevirus: @stagas VERY nice :)
[17:52] stagas: recursivevirus: you ran it? :)
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[17:53] Gloorian: Hello
[17:53] Gloorian: I have a little problem
[17:54] Gloorian: I'm making a url shorter for training
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[17:54] Gloorian: but my generator of shorters doesn't work because I can't find a way to check if there are another one taken in the db
[17:55] Gloorian: -are +is
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[17:56] Gloorian: have you ever done an url shorter with node ?
[17:56] yawNO: what's the problem?
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[17:57] Gloorian: yawNO: well, I'm doing an url shorter
[17:57] yawNO: check if the url is already taken in the db
[17:57] Gloorian: and I have to generate a string like 'eUhg'
[17:57] yawNO: ej
[17:57] yawNO: *eh
[17:57] Gloorian: but the problem is that I have to generate one that is not already taken
[17:58] Gloorian: and I don't see how to generate another one each time my db query gives me a result
[17:58] Gloorian: I thought about a loop, but it doesn't really work well
[17:58] yawNO: recursive ftw
[17:58] Gloorian: recursive ?
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[17:58] yawNO: function that calls itself til a condition is verified
[17:59] Gloorian: Oh, good, but I don't know how to do it
[17:59] Gloorian: :'(
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[17:59] EhevuTov: what is behind isaacs in his new gravatar? It's freaking me out.
[18:00] wankdanker: looks like drift wood
[18:00] wankdanker: with a weird red face and a ribbon that says happy birthday
[18:00] yawNO: Gloorian: google
[18:01] Gloorian: yawNO: that's what I'm doing :D
[18:01] recursivevirus: I'm being asked to report code coverage on node.js projects. Anyone recommend one of the available tools?
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[18:01] isaacs: EhevuTov: it's a wood smiling man
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[18:01] wankdanker: isaacs: does it say happy birthday?
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[18:01] perezd: ryah: is the nodejs mac installer pkg open sourced in some way?
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[18:02] isaacs: wankdanker: close!  no.
[18:02] wankdanker: ha
[18:02] yawNO: isaacs: that explains everything...
[18:02] maritz: yawNO: did you help him? :D
[18:02] EhevuTov: ah, I see the hi-res now. I thought it was like a dried tiger penis or something.
[18:02] wooo: guys
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[18:02] wankdanker: yeah, the small version looks like a brown stuffed snake wearing a pirate hat
[18:02] yawNO: maritz: no, i watched teh movie
[18:02] maritz: haha :D
[18:03] wooo: anyone knows a function to convert from decimal to any numeric system?
[18:03] wooo: say 32 or 50 or 100 based
[18:03] wooo: lol
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[18:03] yawNO: maritz: wasnt that bad
[18:03] wooo: in javascript ofkoz
[18:03] yawNO: a little bit exagerated though
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[18:04] rlidwka: wooo: 
[18:04] rlidwka: > (134).toString(32);
[18:04] rlidwka: '46'
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[18:05] maritz: uhm... parseInt
[18:05] rlidwka: but that's from 2 to 36... for 50 you have to write smth yourself :)
[18:05] wooo: rlidwka: i check it ty
[18:05] EhevuTov: .. (134).toString(32)
[18:05] yawNO: what maritz said
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[18:05] CoverSlide: .. Buffer
[18:05] yawNO: parseInt's first arg is the radix
[18:05] yawNO: CoverSlide: its offline
[18:05] maritz: secon
[18:05] maritz: d
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[18:05] yawNO: yeah sry
[18:05] yawNO: second
[18:06] CoverSlide: muddyforker
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[18:06] yawNO: dafuq?
[18:06] CIA-19: node: 03Shigeki Ohtsu 07master * rd2fba2b 10/ test/addons/hello-world/test.js : test: Fix path to require hello-world module - http://git.io/HRcQAw
[18:07] wooo: how do i represent a hexadecimal number numerically in javascript?
[18:07] wooo: prefixing by # or what?
[18:08] wooo: this says illegal token (ac).toString(10)
[18:08] tomb: http://www.javascripter.net/faq/octalsan.htm
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[18:09] wankdanker: 0xac
[18:10] EhevuTov: .. console.log(0x10)
[18:10] EhevuTov: ah still not up
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[18:10] bnoordhuis: perezd: it's in the repo
[18:10] bnoordhuis: perezd: look under the tools/ directory
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[18:10] maxogden: TooTallNate: CONGRATS!!!
[18:11] TooTallNate: maxogden: thanks :)
[18:11] bnoordhuis: TooTallNate: no schmoozing, get back to work
[18:11] EhevuTov: is there a cause for celebration?
[18:11] TooTallNate: hahaha
[18:11] bnoordhuis: ;)
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[18:11] bnoordhuis: EhevuTov: TooTallNate just joined the core team
[18:12] EhevuTov: oh awesome! I thought he already was core. Congratulations
[18:12] maxogden:     _.-------._
[18:12] maxogden:  .-';  ;` '& ; `&.
[18:12] maxogden: & &  ;  &   ; ;   \
[18:12] maxogden: \      ;    &   &_/
[18:12] maxogden:  F"""---...---"""J
[18:12] maxogden:  | | | | | | | | |
[18:12] maxogden:  J | | | | | | | F
[18:12] maxogden:   `---.|.|.|.---'
[18:12] maxogden: CUPCAKES FOR EVERYBODY@!!!!!!
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[18:12] micheil: maxogden: dude, that's one messed up cupcake.
[18:12] EhevuTov: 
ACTION \o/ catching raining cupcakes

[18:13] maxogden: micheil: you mean you dont normally sprinkle ampersands on your cupcakes?
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[18:13] dexter_e: anyone know how to get the full path of request... of the top of their head ?
[18:13] brandwe: Anyone have experience with snapshot feature in node.js not working on EC2 x64 Amazon Linux? Got gdb attached but looking for help: https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/2912
[18:13] micheil: maxogden: no, my cupcakes are usually not lopsided
[18:13] bnoordhuis: brandwe: i've experience in so far that i replied on the issue :)
[18:13] maritz: dexter_e: in what context?
[18:14] wankdanker: mmmm ampersands. yum
[18:14] nathanielk: dexter_e: require('url').parse(request.url).path?
[18:14] bnoordhuis: brandwe: does it work with --without-snapshot?
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[18:14] dexter_e: I am calling    localhost:8000/this/is/my/path?and=params&=what     I would like to just get the /this/is/my/path?and=params&=what  
[18:14] teadict: does SequelizeJS have a channel or is its author around?
[18:14] dexter_e: including the params
[18:14] nathanielk: dexter_e: http://nodejs.org/api/http.html#http_request_url
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[18:15] dexter_e: rocking! thanks!
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[18:16] teadict: how do you Mysql using people currently do MtoN associations on node?
[18:16] nathanielk: dexter_e: np :)
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[18:17] brandwe: bnoordhuis: It does work without-snapshot, but that is a workaround not a fix. I'm trying to get to a fix :-) I got another break after without-snapshot though on make install, but that's a matter for later :-)
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[18:18] bnoordhuis: brandwe: one thing you can try is an in-place upgrade of v8
[18:19] bnoordhuis: brandwe: i.e. rm -rf deps/v8 && git clone git://github.com/v8/v8.git deps/v8/
[18:19] bnoordhuis: it's possible that the issue is fixed in upstream v8
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[18:20] mmalecki: is there any way to take a heap snapshot of a live node app under linux?
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[18:22] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: node-inspector?
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[18:23] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: didn't work for me when I tried it
[18:23] mmalecki: (also, node v0.6)
[18:24] nathanielk: would there be a way to invoke https://github.com/dannycoates/v8-profiler ?
[18:24] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: check the repo, there's a branch that works with 0.6.x
[18:24] bnoordhuis: or did, last time i checked it
[18:24] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: ah, thanks
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[18:28] brandwe: bnoordhuis: Thanks, Trying that now.
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[18:30] plainprogrammer: what's the best way to catch an EPIPE exception from net.js?
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[18:31] rklancer: itch3
[18:31] plainprogrammer: https://gist.github.com/2038399
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[18:34] rklancer: How would 'npm install contextify' suddenly start trying to run a build script in '/home/brianmcd/...' (the author's home dir) if I don't see that string implied by wscript
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[18:35] rklancer: or anything else in the newly-updated commit to the repo
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[18:36] isaacs: rklancer: there's probably a .waf-pickle or something in there
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[18:37] shanebo: isaacs we're getting this error https://gist.github.com/2038399 using bouncy + socket.io. Any idea how we can swallow this error gracefully?
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[18:37] rklancer: isaacs, thanks for the tip. I'll pass it on to brianmcd (who just responded...he pushed a point update about an hour ago)
[18:38] shanebo: isaacs (i'm only asking because it's lower level in net.js and I'm unsure how to swallow the error from within bouncy)
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[18:39] shanebo: isaacs btw, we're on node 0.6.12
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[18:45] rklancer: isaacs, that was it. He unpublished the bad point release and now it installs. Thanks again.
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[18:50] stepheneb: bundler has some capabilities that would be very useful for this kind of problem we just had with npm and contextify
[18:50] isaacs: stepheneb: what's that?
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[18:51] stepheneb: in the ruby gem world as managed by bunder if jsdom and contextify were rubygems ...
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[18:52] stepheneb: and jsdom speced that it would work with 0.1.x of contextify (and assuming that contextify v0.1.2 had been pushed and was bad) then when bundler installs jsdom it would also try and install the bad v0.1.2 of contextify
[18:52] stepheneb: but ... I could spoecify in my Gemfile that I wanted contextify v0.1.1 installed.
[18:53] perezd: must be doing something wrong, when trying to do make pkg osx I get this error: Unable to install the file 'config.h'
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[18:53] stepheneb: bundler would see that AND take a look at jsdoms requirement for 10.1.x and because my more specific request ALSO met jsdoms need I'd get qa working setup
[18:53] perezd: ah I am doing something stupid
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[18:53] perezd: I've fixed 
[18:54] perezd: bnoordhuis: hey, does the mac installer actually compile stuff or just take the contents of /out/dist-osx and copy it over
[18:54] stepheneb: but with npm even if I install contextify 0.1.1 -- if I also need jsdom it will install it's own version => 0.1.2
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[18:55] bnoordhuis: perezd: there's a makefile target that compiles node and bundles it
[18:56] stepheneb: so as long as I haven't speced something mutually inconsistent bundler will put all of the gems I state I need on the Ruby load path
[18:56] stepheneb: but with npm when jsdom runs it uses it's own copy of contextify
[18:56] perezd: bnoordhuis: I am writing a custom installer
[18:56] perezd: that has node within it
[18:56] stepheneb: d3 which I also use installs it's version of jsdom (whgich has it's version of contextify)
[18:57] sbisbee: Hey * - QQ: Does npm ignore files based on .gitignore?
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[18:58] isaacs: shanebo: sorry, no idea.  i'd have to go digging through the app, and i'm not really familiar with socket.io or bouncy in a deep way
[18:58] isaacs: sbisbee: yes, if a .npmignore file is not present.
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[18:58] stepheneb: as I am understanding more about npm it seems that when I use jsdom -- it gets all of it's dependencies loaded -- but those are separate than those loaded by d3
[18:58] shanebo: isaacs, alright, any idea how to swallow the error though?
[18:59] sbisbee: isaacs: okay, so then that's why my built main.js file isn't landing in the repo :)
[18:59] sbisbee: ty
[18:59] isaacs: stepheneb: npm already works the same as bundler in that regard...
[18:59] sbisbee: isaacs: is an empty .npmignore sufficient to have it skip .gitignore?
[18:59] isaacs: sbisbee: yes.
[19:00] stepheneb: I have a demo starting in just a couple of minutes and the project started breaking about an hour ago ... works now ... just thinking about how I could have worked around this kind of issue much more quickly with bundler
[19:00] isaacs: stepheneb: that's how npm works already, though.
[19:00] isaacs: stepheneb: unless you have an old version or there's been a regression or something.
[19:01] isaacs: but i doubt it.
[19:01] isaacs: stepheneb: you can also use shrinkwrap to lock everything in place.
[19:01] isaacs: (at least, down to the name@version/url level)
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[19:01] stepheneb: when I look at a tree view of my ./node_modules dir I see multiple copies of jsdome/node_modules/contextify
[19:02] isaacs: stepheneb: did you install contextify *after* jsdom?
[19:02] isaacs: stepheneb: or are you using an old version of npm?
[19:02] isaacs: i just tested with 1.1.8 and it works like thi
[19:02] isaacs: *this
[19:02] stepheneb: I have to demo now ... will be back or write to the email list with more description ... thanks!
[19:03] isaacs: stepheneb: https://gist.github.com/2038692 
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[19:03] isaacs: ircretary: tell stepheneb https://gist.github.com/2038692 
[19:03] ircretary: isaacs: I'll be sure to tell stepheneb
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[19:03] isaacs: ircretary: thanks
[19:03] ircretary: isaacs: You're welcome :)
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[19:04] mmalecki: isaacs: jitsu is released, btw
[19:05] mmalecki: AvianFlu++
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[19:06] isaacs: mmalecki, AvianFlu: Awesome, thanks!!
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[19:06] isaacs: And I apologize deeply for npm 1.1.0-beta* still being on the regsitry.  they're hazardous.  i'm going to remove them.
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[19:07] AvianFlu: isaacs, we all really expected <1.1.0 to stop us at the terminal 1.0.x version
[19:08] plato: i'm opening a socket.io socket in my onload function, then calling a function that's defined outside the onload function. i can't access my socket from there - "socket is not defined"
[19:08] AvianFlu: the beta thing makes sense, except that we didn't expect alpha and beta versions at all >.<
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[19:08] plato: whats happening with the scope here? i'm calling the external function from within my onload function, shouldn't the sibling function inherit the scope of the thing that invokes it?
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[19:09] plato: http://codepad.org/wCW4t4bL error is occuring in line 58 when I click a hex
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[19:10] plato: do i need to pass the socket in through placegrid() and then placehex() so i can set it as an attribute of each hex? surely there's some simpler way
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[19:12] thirdknife: whats the best b
[19:12] thirdknife: best database match these days with node
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[19:12] sechrist_: to do subdomains and vhosts is the only way recommended to bind another express instance and proxy? I was thinking middlewares to skip routes based on domain but that seems clunky to me
[19:13] sechrist_: in express ^^
[19:13] plato: thirdknife: this is the best Ƃ
[19:13] thirdknife: sorry plato ?
[19:13] plato: it's a B!
[19:14] thirdknife: best database match these days with node
[19:14] plato: but seriously, i started to play with couchdb a bit
[19:14] Edy: Бб
[19:14] plato: i'm new to this whole REST idea but it seems simple enough
[19:14] thirdknife: right
[19:14] thirdknife: what about riak
[19:14] plato: someone complained that there's no real way to filter data in couchdb without understanding and using map/reduce functions
[19:14] sechrist_: I wish couchdb had a binary api (unless it does and I'm oblivious)
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[19:15] plato: i don't know if that's a problem with NoSQL stuff in general
[19:15] sechrist_: creating new request objects for every db call seems bleh to me
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[19:16] tmike: map/reduce doesn't seem much harder than learning SQL concepts
[19:16] plato: yeah couch seems well suited to volatile use cases 
[19:16] tmike: at least to me
[19:16] plato: distributed databases, sometimes-on document stores
[19:16] plato: reduntant stuff
[19:17] plato: i don't know what, but i imagine there's better stuff if you intend to do everything on your own machine
[19:17] plato: sorry
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[20:11] disappea_: I need my Node to update database stuff created by my rails. Any recommendation besides using mysql-activerecord? 
[20:12] creationix: disappea_, just use a node mysql driver
[20:12] creationix: felixge has a good one
[20:12] creationix: it will be raw mysql SQL quereis thogh
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[20:12] creationix: no activerecord API from node
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[20:13] ziro`: can anyone point me at any resources that will show me good examples of how to structure my code architecturally
[20:14] ziro`: coming from the land of PHP, where I define classes and create instances, I need help :D
[20:14] creationix: ziro`, you can do that in node too
[20:15] creationix: Constructor + prototype is like a class
[20:15] creationix: but only do it for objects, not for *everything* like java does
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[20:15] creationix: ziro`, http://howtonode.org/object-graphs-2
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[20:17] tmike: benvie: you're on dailyjs today
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[20:18] ziro`: thanks :0
[20:18] ziro`: :)
[20:18] disappea_: Is there like a defacto db driver where I can just change the database type and it will continue to work in the new RDBMS db? 
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[20:18] disappea_: I develop on sqlite3 but then on heroku I am more likely using pgsql 
[20:19] ziro`: my directory structure sucks :/
[20:19] creationix: ziro`, in fact, coming from PHP, I would recomment part I as well (the article before that)
[20:19] creationix: ziro`, PHP references are different from JS ones, but close enough to be terrible confusing
[20:19] ziro`: i've tried to go for some coffee script compiled to js in a node require thing
[20:20] creationix: coffeescript is fine, but I wouldn't touch it till you mastered raw node and js first
[20:20] ziro`: i'm close to just going for a flat js file :D
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[20:20] ziro`: I'm fine with JS, just not the prototype stuff
[20:20] creationix: one file apps work fine
[20:21] thirdknife: who wins express or core.js?
[20:21] tjholowaychuk: thirdknife compare for yourself, there is no "wins", there's a wins for you perhaps but you have to check them all out
[20:22] creationix: core.js?
[20:22] creationix: is that a new one
[20:22] thirdknife: corejs
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[20:22] thirdknife: right tjholowaychuk 
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[20:22] wingie: http://echo.nextapp.com/site/corejs
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[20:23] wingie: that one?
[20:24] wingie: it seems that corejs is only working on client side
[20:24] ziro`: is there any 'standard' unit testing for node?
[20:24] wingie: how could it be compared to express?
[20:24] konobi: tap ?
[20:24] yawNO: hey tjholowaychuk .. you gotta tell me why proxies are bad
[20:24] yawNO: or useless .. i think thats what you said before
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[20:28] wereHamster: great.  res.contentType('application/json'); only works by chance. res.contentType('application/javascript') fails, because that's not how you're supposed to use that function
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[20:34] benvie: tmike: yeah I just saw that ha
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[20:34] benvie: tmike: I was like hmm something happened, I sense a disturbance in the internets
[20:35] tmike: lol
[20:35] uberbrady: Howdy folks - anyone got any gotchyas or anything for overriding the Agent with a custom-built one for the built-in http.js in Node?
[20:35] tmike: congrats, I know you've been working hard to promote it
[20:35] uberbrady: I did a bench with agent: false and it went way faster than any other Agent settings, I think I want to try to override the default implementation and make my own.
[20:35] benvie: thanks =D I need to put some more time into it soon
[20:36] benvie: and finish some of the stuff I've been wanting
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[20:36] benvie: too much time in binary data land makes for dull javascript
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[20:39] uberbrady: I'm figuring I just start with Mything.prototype=Agent and go from there…override where I need to. Or I should maybe start from scratch? Not sure.
[20:39] benvie: Mything.prototype = Object.create(Agent)
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[20:39] benvie: then you can put stuff on it without changing the core one
[20:39] benvie: and then in Mything(){ Agent.call(this) }
[20:40] alejandromg: #couchdb
[20:40] uberbrady: Sounds like a good start, thanks!
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[20:40] benvie: no problem, I always am here for people trying to break stuff
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[20:40] benvie: that's my main priority
[20:40] benvie: breaking things
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[20:41] uberbrady: Yeah - well, my worst-case scenario is if I completely screw up this agent thing I'll go back to agent: false and no one gets hurt, except my pride.
[20:42] uberbrady: At what point would I want to consider not inheriting, and just re-implementing? Never?
[20:43] uberbrady: Or when I find that I'm working around things more than I am extending them?
[20:43] benvie: you will be inheriting by default
[20:43] benvie: and you override by adding the same named thing to your own
[20:43] benvie: so it's pretty good, you override bit by bit
[20:43] benvie: starting from what works
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[20:44] uberbrady: cool.
[20:44] benvie: the trick with prototypal inheritance in js is that it will automatically go to the parent until you decide to override it
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[20:45] benvie: weee it works var int8_5x4x10_array = new ArrayType(new ArrayType(new ArrayType(Block.Int8, 5), 4), 10)
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[20:46] TooTallNate: benvie: i've been meaning to play around with your stuff again
[20:46] TooTallNate: been super busy the last few days
[20:46] ziro`: node have any functionality to break down a uri to domain, path etc
[20:46] benvie: I reworked it entirely anyway
[20:46] benvie: th stuff I put up today is mostly new
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[20:47] benvie: I was mulling over it for a while and then implementing
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[20:47] benvie: but it's good now =D
[20:47] TooTallNate: cool, ya it all looks a lot better now, should be fun
[20:48] tmike: ziro`: get you some docs
[20:48] ziro`: got some
[20:48] tmike: specifically the url module
[20:48] ziro`: sorry
[20:48] ziro`: :)
[20:48] benvie: the turning point was when I found the es6 imeplementation by the draft author, and then was confident in my opinion that it sucks or I really don't get it
[20:48] ziro`: thanks
[20:48] ziro`: !
[20:48] benvie: so at that point I was able to decide to just do what i wanted
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[20:53] Christopher: Hello everyone
[20:53] Guest66647: Hello again
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[20:54] Guest66647: Just a question! Can I write a file to a directory from a File Object ?
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[21:00] myndzi: got a question about streams and http
[21:00] myndzi: the http docs say for http.ClientRequest that 'the request implements the writable stream interface'
[21:01] myndzi: i have some existing code that sets response.on events for data and end
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[21:01] myndzi: it seems like it might be possible to bind these to a different stream so that i can get "in between" the socket response and the existing code
[21:01] myndzi: but i'm not sure how to do it
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[21:02] myndzi: primarily, how do i make a stream object to pipe to that i can attach the existing code to and have it behave the same?
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[21:03] fairwinds: hi. curious whether anyone has seen this error - Error: spawn Unknown system errno 23. I get this sort of randomly once in a while when child process is spawned to execute convert command for imagemagick
[21:06] upb: grep 23 /usr/include/asm-generic/errno-base.h
[21:06] upb: #define ENFILE          23      /* File table overflow */
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[21:07] uberbrady: too many open files?
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[21:07] PPPaul: anyone use faye.js here?
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[21:09] fairwinds: uberbrady, upm: this is on macosx. I have set ulimit to 10000 in terminal session
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[21:10] uberbrady: maybe you're opening files and forgetting to close them - leaking descriptors?
[21:10] ziro`: http://pastebin.com/5kiuXPcy
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[21:10] ziro`: right way?
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[21:17] fairwinds: uberbrady: thx, just reviewing my code. Am creating writeStream from results then have listeners on 'data', 'error' and 'exit'
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[21:17] uberbrady: fairwinds: Well, do you close the writeStream when you're done? That's my only guess.
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[21:19] myndzi: speaking of write streams.... :P
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[21:20] myndzi: how can you create a stream for other code to read from? not wanting to output to a file
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[21:23] fairwinds: uberbrady: on 'exit' am currently calling outputFile.end()
[21:23] augustl: can child processes spawned by node be disowned?
[21:24] uberbrady: fairwinds: Only one outputFile? Or is there one 'per' something (http stream? Something like that?)
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[21:32] iangreenleaf: tjholowaychuk: Has no one bugged you to suppor iced-coffee-script in mocha yet?
[21:32] tjholowaychuk: oh no
[21:33] tjholowaychuk: no moar :(
[21:33] iangreenleaf: tjholowaychuk: :)
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[21:33] TooTallNate: is that a real thing?
[21:33] iangreenleaf: tjholowaychuk: I'm gonna throw a PR your way, I'll try to make it as painless as possible :)
[21:33] iangreenleaf: TooTallNate: http://maxtaco.github.com/coffee-script/
[21:34] TooTallNate: lol
[21:34] iangreenleaf: TooTallNate: It's an extension of CS that offers a flow control mechanism.
[21:34] ag4ve: i noticed this in .7.8: cluster: support passing of named pipes (Ben Noordhuis) is there any documentation for how to do this?
[21:34] ag4ve: ie, the passing of named pipes (cluster or not)
[21:35] fairwinds: uberbrady: right, spawning once for each file. ie. var convertOptions = ['-resize', '30%', inputFile, '-']  , convert = spawn('convert', convertOptions)
[21:35] uberbrady: fairwinds: I wonder if you have to do some kind of cleanup when the spawn finishes?
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[21:37] fairwinds: uberbrady: I am only doing this atm   .on('exit', function(code) { outputFile.end(); });
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[21:39] uberbrady: fairwinds: So long as you close each file after it's been spawned, that ought to do it. Maybe you have to also limit the number of spawned processes you end up spinning up? Maybe you're spinning up a ton of them?
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[21:42] eeemsi: wow… so many people are using irccloud?!
[21:42] myndzi: there were like 800 users in here
[21:42] tmike: And all of them are paying for it, it seems
[21:42] myndzi: maybe 30 quit?
[21:42] myndzi: more than 30, less than 100
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[21:43] eeemsi: without the goal of making anyone these angry, but i was asking when i have to search for popcorn
[21:43] eeemsi: ^^
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[21:53] Autolycus: does anyone know backbone.js chat channel here
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[21:56] ziro`: http://pastebin.com/bTtYQAa5
[21:57] ziro`: what am i doing wrong?
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[21:57] ziro`: Autolycus: #documentcloud
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[21:58] Autolycus: thanks ziro
[21:58] uberbrady: ziro`: that should work if you POST data to it? It hink?
[21:58] hdon: -_- https://gist.github.com/4f8150860aaf9ca508df
[21:59] ziro`: 'end' never fires :/
[21:59] hdon: this is what i get for operating a computer with no slepe
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[22:00] uberbrady: ziro`: your data handler is wrong - you need a parameter
[22:01] uberbrady: but that still doesn't explain why 'end' never fires.
[22:01] uberbrady: req.on('data',function (data) { content+= data; });
[22:01] ziro`: well spotted
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[22:01] ziro`: fail :D
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[22:03] ziro`: eugh
[22:03] ziro`: 
[22:03] ziro`: i'm a noob, it was firing
[22:03] ziro`: i wasn't ending the response :/
[22:04] ziro`: fail instance 2
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[22:05] uberbrady: d'oh!
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[22:10] ziro`: yay :)
[22:10] ziro`: thanks!
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[22:13] poincare101: Hi everyone. I'm having a bit of trouble with Node. Is it possible to set up a connection to an external server, and then write to it "later"? I know this a sequential mindset, but, is it possible?
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[22:18] myndzi: what do you mean write to it later? what's the trouble?
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[22:19] zomg: Waited whole two minutes =)
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[22:20] myndzi: oh right, didn't check all the joins and parts :P
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[22:27] uberbrady: Argh, trying to do inheritance properly is annoying - I think the parent I'm inheriting from - or I'm delegating from, I dunno - is calling its own methods instead of mine.
[22:27] uberbrady: oh, whoops, no it isn't.
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[22:27] uberbrady: I just can't code properly, because I'm stupid.
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[22:30] kmiyashiro: what is going on: Function.call.bind(Number)
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[22:31] dre: Hello!  I'm trying to profile my node code, so I ran my code with node -prof and it generated a v8.log.  I built v8 from source and was previously able to run ./linux-tick-processor v8.log, but now it just exits without any new files or new output.. Do I need any path settings or anything?
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[22:33] ryah: perezd: yeah it's in the repo https://github.com/joyent/node/tree/master/tools/osx-pkg.pmdoc
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[22:36] dre: anyone have any ideas?
[22:36] dre: or is that just a stupid question?
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[22:37] blueadept: anyone know if there's a way to give mongoose.js an array of fields to search in the find query?
[22:37] blueadept: like you can give find 10 _ids, and it goes out and gets those docs and returns in one async call?
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[22:38] blueadept: wait, $in
[22:38] blueadept: n/m
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[22:41] myndzi: how does stream.pipe work? do you have to call it to pipe each chunk of data, or does it just work in the background?
[22:41] blueadept: it should do it in the background
[22:41] myndzi: so, instead of response.on(data) etc.
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[22:42] myndzi: in the response event
[22:42] myndzi: i could create a gunzip stream and then do like gzip.on data instead?
[22:42] blueadept: readStream().pipe(res)
[22:42] myndzi: and put the code that WAS in response.on data into gzip.on data?
[22:42] myndzi: (and have it "just work")
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[22:43] kenperkins: anyone know of a module that does nonces?
[22:43] blueadept: myndzi: http://pastie.org/private/xdqkhn58afnjalqy6c4q
[22:44] blueadept: this is an example using gridfs as a datastore
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[22:46] blueadept: the gridfs_obj is the chunked stream, and i pipe it to the express response handler
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[22:47] myndzi: here: http://pastie.org/3597053
[22:47] myndzi: this is what i'm trying to do in concept, but i'm having to work in coffeescript at the same time and i'm just getting lost
[22:47] myndzi: is that on the right track?
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[22:49] dre: so has anyone here used the profiler tools to profile their node code?
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[22:53] maritz: yawNO: some dude made this little game as a js learning experience: http://www.hamiltondraws.com/scripts/game.html#
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[22:53] maritz: i beat it
[22:53] maritz: can you?
[22:53] maritz: :D
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[22:53] maritz: (without accessing any of the global vars)
[22:54] maritz: or changing the dom
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[23:30] tilusnet: Hi. Is there a way to cross-compile node-js?
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[23:30] tilusnet: Unfortunately I am not familiar with the python build tool it uses.
[23:32] maritz: why would you need to be familiar with it?
[23:33] tilusnet: well, perhaps to specify a different build target
[23:33] context: http://fastr.github.com/articles/cross-compiling-node.js-for-arm.html
[23:33] maritz: hm, ok. no idea :D
[23:33] context: https://gist.github.com/1430861
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[23:34] maritz: context: did you use the black magic that is google or did you just have those links lying around? :D
[23:34] tilusnet: cheers, context.
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[23:34] context: maritz: i have honed the underground art of black magic
[23:34] tilusnet: (the black magic didn't work for me :P)
[23:35] context: i just typed in "cross compile nodejs"
[23:35] maritz: tilusnet: yeah, you need to be authorized by the black hat group of wizards.
[23:35] context: maritz: its not really an authorization though. its more of a certificate that you have learned said art form
[23:36] maritz: right, i wouldn't know, i've only heard rumors
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[23:36] maritz: who would've thought http://baldursgate.com/ would be overloaded in 2012? :D
[23:36] context: and its not so much a "group of black hat wizards" its just *they*
[23:37] context: *they* must authorize you
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[23:38] papandreou: Any streaming experts around? I'm working on a module that allows you to "hijack" and rewrite an HTTP response, but I'm having troubles with some weird multi-pipe scenarios. Right now I'm wondering whether it makes sense for Stream.prototype.pipe to run cleanup when the destination stream emits the 'end' event: https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/lib/stream.js#L115
[23:39] papandreou: The docs for the 'end' event specifically say that you may be able to keep writing: "Emitted when the stream has received an EOF (FIN in TCP terminology). Indicates that no more 'data' events will happen. If the stream is also writable, it may be possible to continue writing."
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[23:41] context: papandreou: MAY. not for tcp connections though
[23:42] context: different types of io ports you need to specifically close both streams (recv / trx)
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[23:43] papandreou: context: Sure -- but as far as my understanding goes, the 'end' event of the destination stream is irrelevant to whether the pipe should keep going. Seems to me that it only has to do with the "readable stream-ness" of the object :)
[23:43] context: correct.
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[23:44] papandreou: context: Do you agree that L115 of stream.js should be removed, then?
[23:45] CIA-19: node: 03Rod Vagg 07v0.6 * rc12a1dc 10/ doc/api/path.markdown : path.exists*() as 2nd level head not 3rd - http://git.io/MkYbbQ
[23:45] CIA-19: node: 03Artur Adib 07v0.6 * rc834ef4 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Doc highlight fix - http://git.io/wOw2Hg
[23:45] CIA-19: node: 03isaacs 07v0.6 * rad5a108 10/ (21 files in 3 dirs): Update uv to 5d21056 - http://git.io/3ZduqQ
[23:45] CIA-19: node: 03isaacs 07v0.6 * rf631c1d 10/ (228 files in 40 dirs): Update npm to 1.1.9 - http://git.io/Z9p1Vg
[23:45] context: no?
[23:45] context: papandreou: why would you remove it ?
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[23:47] papandreou: context: I have a use case where the same object is a readable and writable stream, but the two don't represent the same socket. The "readable stream part" represents the original request, and the "writable stream part" the rewritten one. Usually the original request ends before the rewritten one, but that breaks pipe.
[23:48] papandreou: context: ... if I'm piping something INTO the object at the moment when the original request ends.
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[23:49] context: node is single threaded. you cant send AND recv at the EXACT same time
[23:50] context: its like putting your car in reverse and forward at the same time
[23:50] papandreou: context: I know, I know.
[23:50] papandreou: context: But the pipe is monitoring the events and tears down the pipe when the readable stream emits 'end'.
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[23:51] papandreou: context: This is my project btw.: https://github.com/papandreou/express-hijackresponse
[23:51] context: you probably want two pipes? the pipe is doing its job. exactly that. piping the connection. connection dies. pipe does.
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[23:52] papandreou: context: Yeah, one use case is running the original request through a filter using two pipes. That also breaks because of this issue.
[23:54] context: pipes almost seem useless to me personally
[23:54] context: or does the pipe let you catch things
[23:54] context: ive never used pipes myself 
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[23:56] myndzi\: the zlib api says that it makes streams, but i'm getting a type error (object function (o) { return new Unzip(o); } has no method 'on')
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[23:56] myndzi\: what am i doing wrong?
[23:56] SubStack: EVERYTHING
[23:57] papandreou: context: Stream.prototype.pipe is an awesome abstraction.
[23:57] SubStack: actually I have no idea
[23:59] papandreou: Ah, it looks like the line I'm complaining about was added by mikeal in a seeming unrelated commit (2a65d296). Anyone seen him around?
[23:59] papandreou: *seemingly
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