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[00:02] ljharb: what's the preferred serverside equivalent to jQuery.getJSON?
[00:03] draginx: ljharb: pretty sure JSON.parse() will work?
[00:04] ljharb: that parses the json. i'm looking for the best approach to making the async request to an endpoint
[00:04] draginx: unless u want it to fetch from an area >.> u can use curl for that?
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[00:05] dscape: ljharb: github.com/mikeal/request -> request({url: url, json: true}, function (err,resp,body) { });
[00:05] dscape: i think this works
[00:06] ljharb: so node has nothing built in for this i should use?
[00:06] ljharb: dscape: thanks for the rec, i'll look at the module
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[00:06] dscape: ljharb: http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/http.html#http.ClientRequest
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[00:07] dscape: but request is pretty much the standard
[00:07] dscape: and people even ported it to the browser
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[00:07] ljharb: ok great, thanks - that helps
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[00:08] hkjels: Anyone used superagent.js?
[00:09] hkjels: I'm not able to set headers on get requests
[00:09] ljharb: i don't see it on npmjs - is it a module?
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[00:10] hkjels: It's frontend: https://github.com/visionmedia/superagent
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[00:17] daniel: ljharb: `npm docs request`
[00:17] ljharb: found it, thanks
[00:19] hkjels: haha. Sorry. It probably works. Just forgot to compile something here
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[00:21] hkjels: yeah. Worked
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[00:29] mynickislong: hi, does anyone know how could i run my node.js script every 2 minutes?
[00:30] tmcw: mynickislong: cron?
[00:30] eeemsi_: mynickislong: a cronjob
[00:31] mynickislong: thank you, totally forgot about that!
[00:31] eeemsi_: tmcw: you were faster - n1
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[00:43] SomeoneWeird: anyone know why "npm install gif" works
[00:43] SomeoneWeird: but var GifLib = require('gif'); doesn't?
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[00:44] tmcw: SomeoneWeird: are you in the same directory as where you ran npm install?
[00:44] SomeoneWeird: yep
[00:44] SomeoneWeird: Error: Cannot find module 'gif'
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[00:45] SomeoneWeird: tmcw, http://pastebin.com/1r8gYYST
[00:46] maxogden: nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/modules.html doggy
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[00:50] konobi: ircretary: when was caolanm last here?
[00:50] ircretary: konobi: caolanm was last seen at 2012-02-18T21:07:56.695Z, joining #Node.js
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[00:54] SomeoneWeird: anyone?
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[00:55] SomeoneWeird: nvm got it
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[01:08] dreamdust: Is there a popular test framework people use for JS that utilizes JS methods provided by the browser?
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[01:11] cleric: why would a jsdom example that i copied into a node.io script that Ive been running not work? the jsdom script works ok on its own
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[01:44] samuelgoodwin: hey guys
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[01:54] samuelgoodwin: hey guys
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[01:57] samuelgoodwin: do any of you do work with couchdb in your node apps?
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[01:59] mappum: Does anyone know what that website is called that shows a list of node-based web apps?
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[02:09] samuelgoodwin: Do people still use couchDB? I just read the announcement that ubutnu was ditching couch.
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[02:12] boccato: Why are they ditching it?
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[02:13] samuelgoodwin: boccato: http://www.ubuntu-news.net/2011/11/27/canonical-dropping-couchdb-from-ubuntu-one/
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[02:15] cleric: what is ubuntu?
[02:15] boccato: interesting
[02:15] Octayn: An OS
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[02:16] boccato: A Linux distribution.
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[02:16] samuelgoodwin: cleric: Ubuntu One is this "everything in the cloud" service for Ubuntu users
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[02:17] samuelgoodwin: your local (twitter/email/etc) apps could use couchdb for storage and it would sync up to ubuntu's big cluster
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[02:19] samuelgoodwin: looks like couchdb isn't a good pick to build new things with
[02:20] jesusabdullah: why come?
[02:20] jesusabdullah: canonical dropped couchdb some time ago
[02:20] jesusabdullah: like, that's old news
[02:20] samuelgoodwin: ubuntu one dropping it, couchbase building the "successor"
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[02:20] samuelgoodwin: jesusabdullah: sure, but not for me, haha
[02:20] jesusabdullah: but how is that evidence that couchdb is bad for *any* new thing?
[02:21] jesusabdullah: It sounds like couch just wasn't a good fit for what *these* people were trying to do.
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[02:22] samuelgoodwin: jesusabdullah: who's actively doing development on it?
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[02:23] samuelgoodwin: and katz is moving on with couchbase
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[02:24] SubStack: couchbase isn't a think that you can use yet
[02:24] SubStack: couchdb is
[02:24] jesusabdullah: couchbase is a company
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[02:24] SubStack: also true
[02:24] jesusabdullah: and their two projects, as I understand it, are membase and couchdb
[02:24] konobi: caolanm: ping
[02:24] zackattack: how do you guys like to handle login / user registration?
[02:24] jesusabdullah: and maybe they have some good ideas re: "combine-to-form"
[02:24] jesusabdullah: but that doesn't mean couch is bad, it just means they have some good ideas.
[02:25] stelcheck: actually, all their projects are named couchbase now
[02:25] stelcheck: its just that, for actual couchdb features
[02:25] stelcheck: you still have to wait until 2.0 is out
[02:25] SubStack: zackattack: I like to make an auth server
[02:25] SubStack: and then connect to it from the other services
[02:25] zackattack: an auth server? written in node?
[02:25] SubStack: yep
[02:25] SubStack: just a simple thing that talks to a db
[02:26] SubStack: I use dnode+upnode typically but http requests work fine too
[02:26] SubStack: it keeps your application logic from getting too complicated and makes it easier to tie into your auth db with subsystems you build out later
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[02:27] zackattack: hey... that's a pretty cool idea
[02:28] zackattack: loose coupling
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[02:28] zackattack: at what point would i need to use upnode?
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[02:29] SubStack: you can prototype everything with dnode first and it's trivial to add upnode to the mix later
[02:29] SubStack: upnode is great for re-establishing the connections when they go down and it pings the remote end and tries to reconnect regularly
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[02:30] zackattack: SubStack:  cool
[02:30] SubStack: and pending transactions get queued while it's reconnecting so your services just hang briefly and then go through again
[02:30] SubStack: a bit like a message queue in that respect, but only for the initial connection
[02:30] cleric: when i put jsdom code in a node.io script why doesnt it work?
[02:30] SubStack: since the transactions are more stateful than message queue topologies tend to be
[02:31] SubStack: zackattack: also if you want to authenticate your services later that is really easy to do with upnode
[02:31] zackattack: how often do the connections go down?
[02:31] zackattack: what do you mean by authenticate my services later?
[02:31] SubStack: zackattack: with our production servers probably a few each day on rackspace
[02:31] SubStack: due to network hiccups
[02:31] zackattack: ohh...
[02:31] zackattack: even if the dnode server is on your local box?
[02:32] SubStack: if everything is local it should be fine
[02:32] zackattack: cool
[02:32] zackattack: yeah i like this idea of decoupling it.  i'll see if i can whip up an experimental app.
[02:32] SubStack: but I mean before I wrote dnode our services would die sporadically and we'd have to restart them
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[02:32] samuelgoodwin: so I need some sort of storage, I have users who have a list of rss feeds they can add/remove and a list of rss-items that will change status frequently in big batches. What would handle that well?
[02:32] SubStack: *before I wrote upnode
[02:32] zackattack: i guess it would be straightforward to integrate it as middleware later
[02:32] SubStack: but now everything just reconnects as necessary and has been really robust
[02:33] zackattack: how hard would it be to integrate with a session store?
[02:33] SubStack: one benefit of using upnode that you get even when running locally is that you can bring down servers and bring them back up without disrupting service
[02:33] SubStack: since the connections just get queued until the service pops back
[02:35] cleric: how do i run multiple modules in one script?
[02:35] samuelgoodwin: I was thinking redis
[02:35] draginx: what does everyone use for mail? node-pony?
[02:35] SubStack: I do!
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[02:35] draginx: ofc u do sub :P
[02:35] SubStack: was using mailer before but it has some bugs and has 0 tests
[02:35] draginx: btw browserling.. id buy the service if it responded a bit better O_o
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[02:36] warz: does the github mac client annoy anybody else when it resizes itself while switching between the different tabs?
[02:36] SubStack: draginx: it can be a bit slow on some connections yeah
[02:37] SubStack: we have some other higher priority things in the queue though
[02:37] draginx: rawr
[02:37] zackattack: SubStack:  how hard is it to integrate dnode with a session store?  for example, for persistent auth?
[02:37] zackattack: like a logged-in user..
[02:37] SubStack: draginx: have you tried testling yet?
[02:37] draginx: nope
[02:37] SubStack: you should, super fun times!
[02:38] SubStack: zackattack: there's https://github.com/tblobaum/dnode-session
[02:38] draginx: thats pretty good O_o getting the error messages of IEx is nice :D
[02:38] SubStack: devaholic wrote it
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[02:39] zackattack: but it requires redis?
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[02:39] draginx: zackattack: pretty sure u can use Memory with dnode session O_o
[02:40] SubStack: zackattack: it uses anything that works with the express session store
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[02:40] SubStack: but also keep in mind that there's dnode that works server to server and dnode for server to browser
[02:41] zackattack: dnode for server to browser?
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[02:41] SubStack: server to browser is what dnode-session addresses
[02:42] SubStack: using websockets
[02:42] zackattack: insane..
[02:42] SubStack: zackattack: also if you want more crazy related tech to play with check out seaport and airport
[02:42] SubStack: service registries for your clusters!
[02:43] SubStack: and airport is just a more convenient api for connecting and serving upnode services through seaport
[02:43] SubStack: I blogged about it here http://substack.net/posts/7a1c42/semver-your-services-with-seaport
[02:43] zackattack: jeez wow
[02:44] SubStack: the crazy part is that you can spin up new services with particular versions and only connect to certain semvered ranges
[02:44] SubStack: just like the dependencies field in package.json, but for network services!
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[02:46] zackattack: interesting
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[02:49] warz: wish i could just get paid to work on all of the open source projects that i enjoy using
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[02:55] draginx: warz: get ur open source projects big enough
[02:55] draginx: that label a "Enterprise" tag to it and resell it :P
[02:55] draginx: then* and just offer "support" :P
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[02:57] maxogden: warz: if you are a good programmer that isnt too difficult. if you arent a good programmer keep programming and you'll get there. also social skills and not living in the middle of nowhere helps
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[02:57] maxogden: (not saying you are any of those, just speaking from experience)
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[03:05] samuelgoodwin: what is the difference between "var somefunction = function(){}" and "function someFunction(){}" ?
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[03:09] Sahua: samuelgoodwin: the function someFunction() method gets created when the parser goes through the file; var somefunction = function() gets created when the line is executed
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[03:11] samuelgoodwin: Sahua: oh ok. Is it best-practice to use one or the other?
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[03:13] Sahua: i'm not a very experienced js developer, but i rarely ever use the function name() method because i'm always assigning functions to objects and prototypes and the like
[03:14] Octayn: samuelgoodwin: Be consistent
[03:14] Octayn: It doesn't matter which you use, really
[03:14] Octayn: Just be consistent
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[03:18] samuelgoodwin: ok cool, consistent now
[03:19] maxogden: WOW read the 'Motivation' section of https://github.com/axiak/filternet that is amazing
[03:19] samuelgoodwin: thanks Octayn, Sahua 
[03:19] Octayn: maxogden: d'aww
[03:20] samuelgoodwin: awww 
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[03:22] Octayn: I swear to god, every time I turn around there is a new node version
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[03:23] dlg: do you need a hug?
[03:23] Octayn: dlg: Yes. I wish ALL my software was like this
[03:23] maxogden: dont turn around OH OH
[03:23] Octayn: 
ACTION glares

[03:23] maxogden: the commissars in town
[03:24] maxogden: (isaac === commissar)
[03:24] SubStack: oakland :: st petersburg
[03:24] maxogden: SubStack: :: Tesla
[03:25] SubStack: maxogden: excellent that is entirely the outcome I am aiming for
[03:25] maxogden: http :: direct durrent : tcp :: alternating current
[03:25] maxogden: SubStack: to die broke and alone without fulfilling your grand vision?
[03:26] SubStack: yes
[03:26] SubStack: I want to die penniliess and overworked surrounded by dangerous fantastic machinery
[03:26] maxogden: most of teslas fantastic machinery was lost in a fire
[03:26] maxogden: and others took his technology and profited from it
[03:26] maxogden: preventing him for moving further in his work
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[03:26] SubStack: I'll install sprinklers
[03:26] maxogden: good answer
[03:26] SubStack: not going to repeat that mistake
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[03:27] SubStack: tesla should've invented sprinklers
[03:27] maxogden: wat a n00b
[03:27] SubStack: srs
[03:27] daniel: anybody run the Node REPL from Emacs?
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[03:31] wingie: anyone here tried vows using browserify?
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[03:33] draginx: is there an equivalent to http://cheat.errtheblog.com/ for nodejs?
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[03:37] innoying: Can somebody check if it shows any tweets for my account here: https://twitter.com/#!/innoying_dev
[03:38] innoying: I don't see any anymore for me.
[03:38] innoying: oops wrong room
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[03:39] zackattack: SubStack:  with dnode is it possible to check the ip address of the incoming request?
[03:39] zackattack: or are there any other security features, for example, to stop a password cracking attempt?
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[03:46] SubStack: zackattack: after the ready fires or in the connect callback you can check conn.remoteAddress
[03:47] SubStack: and conn.remotePort
[03:47] SubStack: you could limit the number of attempts per IP if that's what you want to do
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[04:16] mappum: What can I do about Buffers leaking memory?
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[04:18] maxogden: buffers are memory
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[04:23] SubStack: zackattack: you might also want to if (typeof callback !== 'function') return at the top of those functions
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[04:23] SubStack: it's pretty easy to accidentally crash your server if you don't check the types of the callbacks
[04:24] SubStack: just be being careless on the repl or whatevs
[04:24] zackattack: cool; that's helpful
[04:25] SubStack: 
ACTION has built a lot of these things :)

[04:25] zackattack: :)
[04:25] timoxley: need to make a function 'block' while it completes an atomic sequence of async operations. I'm thinking the best way to handle this is to queue any incoming requests. Is that how people normally handle this?
[04:26] SubStack: zackattack: and make sure too that if you run that in production then random IPs can't connect to it and start monkeying about
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[04:26] SubStack: you can bolt that on later pretty easily with upnode however
[04:27] maxogden: timoxley: just callback the response once the async operations are finished. you dont need to queue other requests, the node can handle many concurrent connections
[04:27] SubStack: just check out the upnode authenticated example from the readme for a simple approach
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[04:28] zackattack: cool - i will have to remember that when it's time for to add upnode
[04:28] zackattack: can i just do it within dnode though? should i?
[04:29] zackattack: SubStack:  i think i may want to also integrate it with my vbulletin db, hm.
[04:29] SubStack: yeah you can with dnode but it's much easier to connect to an authenticated server with upnode since it takes care of the initialization
[04:30] SubStack: but either way
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[04:30] Octayn: So uh, does fs.watch on linux add inotify watchers for all events?
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[04:31] timoxley: maxogden sure, but I think I need to prevent operations from occuring while the 'blocking' async operations are happening.
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[04:31] maxogden: timoxley: i think you want the word mutex or transaction
[04:31] Octayn: Ah, that's in libuv, no wonder I couldn't find it in node src
[04:31] timoxley: maxogden that's the one.
[04:32] timoxley: I really should just expose transaction functionality of the db
[04:32] maxogden: timoxley: yes that
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[04:33] timoxley: but I was thinking a queuing system might be a simpler alternative
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[04:36] maxogden: http://i.qkme.me/367x5t.jpg
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[04:37] jinmo123: hi, can i have a question?
[04:38] maxogden: jinmo123: what is your favorite flavor of ice cream?
[04:38] jinmo123: i created a new Socket, and it closes immediately after connect event.
[04:38] jinmo123: https://gist.github.com/850c6f257a91a1c39f4f
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[04:38] jinmo123: hmm..
[04:38] jinmo123: chocolate, stawberry
[04:38] maxogden: thats two flavors!
[04:38] jinmo123: and cookie&cream
[04:38] jinmo123: hmm
[04:38] QaDeS_: hiyas. i'm trying to user browserify with nowjs, but i can't seem to conveniently require the client/now.js file. anybody been there yet?
[04:39] jinmo123: cookie&cream is best!
[04:39] SubStack: QaDeS_: probably now isn't written to work with browserify
[04:39] SubStack: only works for modules written the node way
[04:39] maxogden: jinmo123: maybe SubStack knows
[04:39] jinmo123: substack? where is it?
[04:39] jinmo123: (googleing..)
[04:40] SubStack: ice cream?
[04:40] maxogden: SubStack: no the gist
[04:40] jinmo123: ah
[04:40] maxogden: substack is great oracle
[04:40] jinmo123: SubStack: can i have a question?
[04:41] jinmo123: uhohohohuhuhuhuh!
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[04:41] SubStack: latest nodeup is up! http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3611321
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[04:42] jinmo123: wow, lambdas!!!
[04:42] jinmo123: i waited for that
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[04:42] SubStack: jinmo123: why are you instantiating a new Socket object instead of net.createConnection?
[04:42] jinmo123: hmm
[04:42] jinmo123: i'll try that
[04:43] cjm: New - NodeUp:13 w/ izs substack felixge and maciejmalecki is up. Get it here: http://nodeup.com/thirteen
[04:44] jinmo123: oh, still
[04:44] SubStack: it doesn't look like you can allowHalfOpen in a createConnection though
[04:44] SubStack: I'm not even sure how that stuff works
[04:44] jinmo123: yeah it's my mistake
[04:45] jinmo123: it closes when i send a data
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[04:46] cjm: and if you want, this http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3611321
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[04:47] jinmo123: still
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[04:49] timoxley: what do people think of this ace thing? I don't get its raison d'etre https://github.com/maccman/ace
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[05:03] davidbanham: I'm trying to use mikeal's request module to access a REST API and banging my head against a wall. Is this just not what this module is for?
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[05:14] aashay: hi everyone…has anyone been bitten by OS X Lion's deprecation of OpenSSL when trying to build node modules?
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[05:20] davidbanham: aashay: Nope, but I'm not sure if I've installed something that would require it since upgrading to Lion either.
[05:20] aashay: davidbanham: yeah…if you want that to still be the case, avoid "npm install bcrypt" :(
[05:21] davidbanham: aashay: Blergh. I use bcrypt in a production app. I guess I'd better avoid deleting my local installation
[05:22] aashay: davidbanham: yeah don't touch it, I made the mistake of upgrading my local npm modules today and I've been hosed ever since
[05:23] davidbanham: aashay: Just installed it in a local directory to test and it seems to have gone okay. Deprecation warnings, but waf exited successfully.
[05:23] maxogden: davidbanham: i use request for rest all the time
[05:23] aashay: davidbanham: I could probably spin up an ubuntu VM or something but that doesn't really solve the problem.  I've got an Issue logged with the maintainer: https://github.com/ncb000gt/node.bcrypt.js/issues/61  (hijacked the issue unfortunately)
[05:23] aashay: davidbanham: does "make test" pass for you?
[05:23] davidbanham: maxogden: Am I just not grokking it, then? Are there good examples for doing a really basic POST request?
[05:24] aashay: davidbanham: I've tried many things and I'm getting a ton of "Error: Unable to load shared library"
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[05:25] maxogden: davidbanham: request({method: "POST", body: "hello", url: "http://someapi.com"})
[05:26] davidbanham: maxogden: So I need to URLencode the body before I pass it to request?
[05:26] davidbanham: aashay: Sorry, had to get nodeunit first. Make test passes for me. OK: 15060 assertions (8675ms)
[05:26] maxogden: davidbanham: if you are talking about html form submissions yes but that doesnt have anything to do with POST specifically, body is just a string
[05:27] aashay: davidbanham: Oh right, yea I should've mentioned to npm link.  Hmm.  You're on 10.7.3? Which version of node? I'm on 0.6.11
[05:28] maxogden: davidbanham: but body: qs.encode({name: 'bob', password: 'pizza'})
[05:28] davidbanham: aashay: Yep, 0.6.11. I just pulled what was in github.
[05:28] maxogden: davidbanham: and probably headers: {"content-type": "application/x-www-form-urlencoded"}
[05:29] davidbanham: maxogden: Thanks, it just seemed strange to need to call querystring separately. Made me think I must be Doing It Wrong.
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[05:30] maxogden: davidbanham: nah its just separation of concerns, x-www-form-urlencoded is its own thing. modern rest APIs use JSON instead (there is a json helper request to auto parse/decode)
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[05:32] davidbanham: maxogden: Yeah I guess I didn't consider posting different kinds of stuff. Thanks, I'll soldier on with it.
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[05:37] swc|666: is the calipsoproject pretty much dead?
[05:37] swc|666: s/calipsoproject/calipso project/
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[05:42] zackattack: SubStack:  dnode.js isn't being automatically served up in my browser.  what should i do?
[05:42] SubStack: add a <script src="/dnode.js"></script>?
[05:43] SubStack: or use browserify
[05:43] zackattack: the resource is simply not found
[05:43] SubStack: use browserify I guess then?
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[05:43] SubStack: browserify yourscript.js -o bundle.js
[05:44] SubStack: and in yourscript.js just var dnode = require('dnode')
[05:44] mappum: Is there anything I can do about memory leaks with Buffers? I have a really slow leak that will be a problem if I need to run my stuff for a long time (which I will)
[05:44] SubStack: and do whatever other browser-type things in yourscript.js
[05:44] zackattack: is there a way to do it without browserify?
[05:45] SubStack: zackattack: what are you using to serve the web app?
[05:45] zackattack: express
[05:46] zackattack: that was @SubStack 
[05:46] zackattack: SubStack:  i also have this,         app.use(express.static(__dirname + '/static'));
[05:47] zackattack: should that be a problem?
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[05:48] zackattack: SubStack:  also, is there a way to specify which port the dnode server is running on?
[05:49] zackattack: when using dnode in the browser.
[05:50] SubStack: hmmm should work with express
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[05:51] zackattack: Cannot GET /dnode.js
[05:51] SubStack: zackattack: when you use dnode in the browser it uses the http server
[05:51] SubStack: it doesn't use a port itself
[05:51] zackattack: huh?
[05:51] SubStack: the http server is the transport
[05:52] zackattack: how can i debug why /dnode.js isnt being served?
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[05:53] SubStack: zackattack: maybe you have a route that is catching that route before dnode can get it?
[05:53] SubStack: are you using .listen(app)?
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[05:53] SubStack: try running one of the express examples in the example/ dir of the repo
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[05:54] zackattack: oh, i wasn't using .listen(app), since my dnode server is a separate application.
[05:54] Xtrivity: Hey all, I am just about to start playing around with JS. As i plan on buying a dedi after I have developed it locally I am wondering what flavor of linux most people are using to run the nodejs server on
[05:54] SubStack: well there you go
[05:54] SubStack: zackattack: so here's how it works
[05:54] Octayn: Xtrivity: I've used everything from LFS to Debian Stable
[05:54] SubStack: you .listen(port) to listen on a port over tcp to other node processes
[05:54] SubStack: you .listen(app) to listen on an http server to connect to browser clients
[05:54] SubStack: different things
[05:55] Xtrivity: Octayn is ubuntu alright? I have been using centos on a few of my dedicateds, but deems to be a bit of a pain to install on the latest centos 6.2
[05:55] Octayn: Xtrivity: ubuntu server is just fine
[05:55] zackattack: so... to make the browser talk to a node process on tcp port 5050... ?
[05:56] SubStack: zackattack: you can't do that directly
[05:56] SubStack: browsers are stupid
[05:56] zackattack: right
[05:56] zackattack: how do i route the request inside my app then?
[05:56] SubStack: you've got to .listen(app)
[05:56] zackattack: done.
[05:56] Xtrivity: Octayn: ubuntu desktop work? Just noticed that the server flavor costs a bit of coin
[05:56] zackattack: then?
[05:56] Octayn: Xtrivity: No it doesn't, ubuntu server is free
[05:56] zackattack: or i guess i could put my server in an external file and just export it
[05:56] zackattack: and then listen that way, so i'm only running one server?
[05:56] SubStack: yes that's a good approach
[05:57] SubStack: you can also .listen() using the same instance on an app and a port
[05:57] Octayn: Xtrivity: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server/download
[05:57] SubStack: .listen(app).listen(port)
[05:57] zackattack: ah, ok
[05:57] SubStack: if you want tcp connections to have the same access as browser connections
[05:57] Octayn: Xtrivity: you'll probably want the LTS, you can compile node easily
[05:57] zackattack: uh... sure.. why wouldn't i?
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[05:58] zackattack: :)
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[05:58] eddyb: wow, this is the first time I realize how to do proper constructor calls with variable arguments
[05:58] eddyb: constructor.apply(Object.create(constructor.properties), arguments);
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[05:59] SubStack: eddyb: there are lots of ways
[05:59] Xtrivity: Octayn: downloaded latest LTS Version 10.04, If i have any questions ill make sure to come harass!
[05:59] Xtrivity: thanks!
[05:59] Octayn: Xtrivity: I hang in ##Linux too
[06:00] Xtrivity: alright, if i have any dumbfounded questions that are apparent on google ill make sure to ask!
[06:00] SubStack: eddyb: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1606797/use-of-apply-with-new-operator-is-this-possible/6062379
[06:00] SubStack: for some other ways
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[06:01] eddyb: SubStack: mine is better than all those
[06:01] eddyb: because I don't do more than a simple new would
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[06:04] jinmo123: oh, my god! f**king socket problem!
[06:05] jinmo123: it's sucking my a**!
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[06:05] jinmo123: i fought for it in 5 days!
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[06:08] maxogden: lol
[06:09] jinmo123: fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!
[06:09] jinmo123: ..
[06:09] zackattack: SubStack:  wow, i really like this pattern of just writing extensions as dnode server methods
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[06:11] SubStack: zackattack: before you know it you'll have dozens of servers!
[06:12] zackattack: SubStack:  the only thing that i don't like is that it's quite...slow
[06:12] SubStack: how so?
[06:13] SubStack: doing round-trips for operations you mean?
[06:13] zackattack: yea.
[06:13] SubStack: but on the plus side, it's crazy easy to scale out horizontally
[06:14] zackattack: SubStack:  it takes 8 seconds... that's too long for user auth!
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[06:14] SubStack: 8!
[06:14] SubStack: that is like way too long
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[06:14] zackattack: yea, what the heck! :)
[06:14] zackattack: is that typical?
[06:14] SubStack: should be in the hundereds of milliseconds tops
[06:14] SubStack: for simple round-tripping
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[06:14] SubStack: zackattack: gist some code?
[06:15] SubStack: some more code I guess?
[06:15] zackattack: ok, here's another clue... it only responds to the first request
[06:15] zackattack: https://gist.github.com/1868096
[06:16] zackattack: is that  a bad pattern?
[06:17] zackattack: (@SubStack )
[06:18] SubStack: oh yeah don't do that
[06:18] SubStack: easy to fix
[06:18] SubStack: DNode.connect(function (remote) {
[06:18] SubStack:   $("button#login").click(function() {
[06:18] SubStack: instead of what you have
[06:18] wookiehangover: zackattack: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xa5av1_zack-attack-friends-forever_shortfilms
[06:18] mikeal: wha
[06:19] zackattack: ah
[06:19] mikeal: i always get notifications for this channel
[06:19] mikeal: and i'm pretty sure it's always just someone linking to one of my repos
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[06:19] SubStack: mikeal: I was talking about request a bit last night too
[06:19] SubStack: and I sent you a pull request
[06:20] mikeal: i saw
[06:20] mikeal: well, first i saw the issue
[06:20] SubStack: and the version on git has a multipart bug which totally tripped me up >_<
[06:20] mikeal: and was like "why isn't this a pull request, come on substack"
[06:20] zackattack: @wookiehangover  lol
[06:20] mikeal: and then i saw the pull request
[06:20] mikeal: there is a multipart bug on master?
[06:20] SubStack: yeah
[06:20] SubStack: I made a gist
[06:20] mikeal: a TON of code got ripped apart on master
[06:20] mikeal: can you link me to the gist
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[06:20] SubStack: https://gist.github.com/1864060
[06:21] SubStack: note the duplicated json message
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[06:22] mikeal: nope
[06:22] mappum: Does node always slowly rise in memory usage (is it the v8 gc?) or do I have a leak?
[06:22] mikeal: you know what that is, it's me being fucking stupid and thinking i didn't already do something i already did
[06:22] mikeal: when  i did the refactor i implemented a write chunk in end and forgot i was already using .apply on end
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[06:23] SubStack: aha
[06:23] mikeal: SubStack: fixed
[06:23] SubStack: sweet
[06:24] zackattack: SubStack:  is it standard for it to take 11 seconds for the DNode.connect() event to fire?
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[06:25] SubStack: zackattack: negatory, usually it's pretty fast
[06:25] SubStack: but it could be socket.io being ridiculous?
[06:25] zackattack: that's totally possible..
[06:25] SubStack: socket.io is kind of ridiculous
[06:26] zackattack: it hooks in to socket.io, eh?
[06:26] SubStack: I need to swap it out for engine.io and/or socksjs
[06:27] zackattack: uh oh
[06:27] zackattack: plan on doing it in the near future?
[06:28] SubStack: zackattack: what about when you run the example, is it still as slow?
[06:28] SubStack: when I run the example/web-express it fires pretty much immediately
[06:28] SubStack: on chrome
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[06:29] zackattack: oh, let me do that, and see if the problem is my app
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[06:29] SubStack: I'm still on 0.4 of course because I'm lame and have lots of production code :p
[06:29] SubStack: could be some issue that cropped up in 0.6
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[06:31] zackattack: SubStack:  augh, i can't install 'dnode' inside the dnode (git proj) directory?
[06:31] zackattack: "npm install dnode" does nothing
[06:31] SubStack: zackattack: just require('../../')
[06:31] SubStack: or mkdir node_modules in examples/ or examples/web-express
[06:31] SubStack: then npm install dnode
[06:32] SubStack: or make a symlink to the parent or however
[06:33] zackattack: ok... hmm...
[06:33] zackattack: SubStack:  The cat says ?.
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[06:34] zackattack: ENOENT, No such file or directory '/Applications/MAMP/htdocs/dnode/lib/../browser/bundle.js'
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[06:36] zackattack: SubStack:  familiar with that bug?
[06:36] SubStack: oh if you've checked out the dev build you'll have to build the bundle
[06:36] SubStack: node bin/bundle.js
[06:37] zackattack: ah
[06:37] zackattack: i got it working, but it doesn't fire immediately...
[06:38] zackattack: so since it's a window.onload, it doesn't fire at all.
[06:38] zackattack: err
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[06:38] SubStack: maybe the readyState is already 'complete'?
[06:38] zackattack: yeah, SubStack , the DNode.connect() event takes about 10 seconds to fire... even in your example.
[06:39] SubStack: you could use $(document).ready() if you throw jquery in there
[06:39] SubStack: whoa strange!
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[06:39] jinmo123: $(function(){})
[06:39] SubStack: zackattack: which browser?
[06:39] jinmo123: can do too
[06:39] zackattack: Chrome.
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[06:41] SubStack: zackattack: try going here http://browserling.com:6857/
[06:41] zackattack: SubStack:  it was ready a couple seconds after 'cat says' appeared.
[06:41] SubStack: crap, that probably means it's some node version of library range issue
[06:42] SubStack: I guess that's better than it being some browser bug
[06:42] zackattack: how can I help you narrow this down?
[06:43] SubStack: one sec, let me try checking out a fresh version
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[06:46] zackattack: k
[06:46] SubStack: hmmm on 0.6.10 it fires right away too
[06:46] SubStack: trying an npm rebuild
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[06:47] zackattack: i'm on node 0.5.0-pre
[06:47] SubStack: nope, still fires right away
[06:47] zackattack: could it be my version of node..?
[06:48] SubStack: zackattack: can you try `npm ls` in your project directory?
[06:48] SubStack: in whichever directory has the node_modules
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[06:48] zackattack: https://gist.github.com/1868170
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[06:49] SubStack: zackattack: and what about express?
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[06:51] SubStack: try `npm install express` into that dir too?
[06:51] zackattack: just did... express@2.5.8
[06:51] zackattack: and it still takes ~11sec
[06:51] SubStack: so I have exactly the same versions of all the libs as you
[06:52] SubStack: and I tested against 0.4.12 and 0.6.10
[06:52] SubStack: and they both fire right away
[06:52] SubStack: I could build 0.5.0-pre with give but it might take away
[06:52] SubStack: *take awhile
[06:52] SubStack: I'm on ubuntu here too
[06:52] SubStack: 64 bit
[06:53] SubStack: and chrome 17.0.963.12 dev
[06:54] zackattack: hmm..
[06:54] zackattack: 17.0.963.56
[06:54] zackattack: 32bit os x 10.6
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[06:55] SubStack: we already eliminated the browser as the source of the problem since you can load up my copy quickly even though it jumps through my slow upload and an ssh tunnel hop
[06:56] SubStack: can't seem to build 0.5
[06:56] SubStack: zackattack: you could try upgrading to 0.6
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[06:56] zackattack: how hard would it be for me to update node?
[06:56] zackattack: how hard to upgrade to .6?
[06:56] SubStack: it's not hard it just takes a while to compile
[06:57] SubStack: if you npm install -g nave
[06:57] SubStack: you can just nave install $version
[06:57] SubStack: https://github.com/isaacs/nave
[06:57] SubStack: then nave use $version
[06:58] zackattack: cool..
[06:58] zackattack: building 0.6.11 now
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[07:08] garrensmith: morning
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[07:12] Emmanuel`: hm. It's been in my head for a bit: in PHP (which I hate and ruin my life everyday), every script are analyse at runtime: a client connects, the script is executed. Therefore, if there is something wrong with my website, I can fix the faulty script without affecting the rest of the website
[07:12] Emmanuel`: I know usage of node is very different
[07:13] Emmanuel`: but I was wondering if there were a way to do something like that in Node
[07:13] Emmanuel`: like, there is a bug somewhere in my node server, is there any way I can fix it without restarting the whole node instance
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[07:29] zackattack: SubStack:  i dont like how nave makes my special PS1 go away
[07:29] zackattack: :)
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[07:40] xeodox: If I run a "large EC2 instance", will I be able to run 2 node.js scripts at once?
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[07:40] Xtrivity: hey Octayn you around bud?
[07:40] Octayn: Yeah
[07:40] Octayn: xeodox: Uhh... you can do that with a microinstance
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[07:41] Xtrivity: Octayn: installed the ubuntu server on my vm. Able to get node.js up and running. I have attempted to get the express and socket.io pumpin but no such luck
[07:41] Xtrivity: keep getting "cannot find module 'socket.io' and the same with express
[07:41] xeodox: thanks.
[07:41] Octayn: Xtrivity: How did you install them?
[07:42] xeodox: Does anyone know the performance of Large vs Small for Node.js?
[07:42] Xtrivity: Octayn npm install socket.io (in the node folder)
[07:42] Xtrivity: same with express as well.
[07:42] Octayn: xeodox: the obvious performance increases you'd expect from having more cpu and memory
[07:43] Octayn: Xtrivity: you need to run 'npm install' from the directory you will be running your program from
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[07:43] xeodox: Octayn: thanks. right now I have mysql, web (node.js), and image-resizing (node.js) server on 3 different Smalls.  Do you know if I would get better performance with 1 large that does all 3 of those things?
[07:43] Octayn: Xtrivity: so for example, I would 'cd ~/hacking/miniblog; npm install express'
[07:43] Xtrivity: Octayn ill give it a shot
[07:43] Octayn: xeodox: maybe, maybe not. are they under high load?
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[07:44] xeodox: Octayn: no, they are not. However, I have many visitors, and sometimes it takes long time. (slow )
[07:44] Octayn: xeodox: have you profiled it to find your bottlenecks?
[07:44] xeodox: Octayn:  I have everything indexed correctly in Mysql. I also utilized Redis for caching correctly. I'm basically fetching from memory all the time, and it's still slow. 
[07:44] xeodox: Octayn: how do I profile? I installed node-profile but it didn't work. Is that the only way?
[07:45] Octayn: xeodox: v8 does profiling built-in
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[07:45] xeodox: Octayn: oh. how do I use that? (Right now I just do node app.'s)
[07:45] Octayn: "node --prof foo.js"
[07:46] Octayn: http://code.google.com/p/v8/wiki/V8Profiler
[07:47] xeodox: Octayn:  I did that, but I don't see any differnce
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[07:47] xeodox: (i did exactly that)
[07:47] Octayn: xeodox: it should have logged to v8.log
[07:47] xeodox: oh I see. where's that?
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[07:47] Octayn: working directory of wherever you ran node
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[07:48] Xtrivity: Octayn: That worked thank you. I am sorry for the stupid questions but i do indeed have a few more. As ubuntu server is all command prompt on my virtual machine (ip: 192.168.216.230) how can I create a client to connect it as all examples are local host
[07:49] Xtrivity: (noticed that in the js file it requires "sockets/socket.io.js" for the client but not sure if they will cross communicate)
[07:49] Octayn: Xtrivity: listen on that public ip
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[07:49] xeodox: Octayn:  thanks. I got a bunch of gibberish printed out. How do I read it? code-creation,LoadIC,0x41f2fec0,62,"emos"
[07:49] Xtrivity: Octayn: where do i get: <script src="/socket.io/socket.io.js"></script>
[07:49] Octayn: Xtrivity: when you create the socket.io server, it should serve that for you automagically
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[07:50] Octayn: xeodox: that's where http://code.google.com/p/v8/wiki/V8Profiler comes in handy
[07:50] Octayn: xeodox: you'll want to find that tick-processor script
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[07:50] xeodox: Octayn:  oh I see
[07:51] Octayn: xeodox: might need to compile v8 to get it
[07:51] xeodox: In general, what does profiling tell me anyway? (How long each function takes? or what? )
[07:51] Xtrivity: Octayn: if i go off of: http://socket.io/#how-to-use the second layer down where it shows server (app.js) and client (index.html).. and i am running the server in my vm.. am i not using index.html to connect locally (outside of the vm)
[07:51] Octayn: xeodox: Yes, exactly that
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[07:51] Octayn: xeodox: so you know which functions are slowest, so you know what needs improving
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[07:52] Octayn: Xtrivity: not sure I understand your question
[07:52] Xtrivity: on the link sent there's both a server side and client side file.. app.js is server (running in my vm) and client (i am assumign runs outside of the vm to connect)
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[07:53] Octayn: The client would be served by an httpd to be used by the browser
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[07:53] Xtrivity: so it requires something like xampp or apache as opposed to .html file
[07:54] Octayn: node has an http server
[07:54] Octayn: you're running it by using express
[07:54] Xtrivity: Octayn im gonna pm so i dont get booted, i need to copy and paste to make sense of what im saying
[07:54] Octayn: Xtrivity: use a pastebin, I have PM's disabled on the server
[07:54] Xtrivity: sure
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[07:55] Xtrivity: Octayn: http://pastebin.com/zTCAPR4K so it says <script> and asks for the socket.io.js... a) where do i get that from if that is being run client side (assumign outside of my vm)
[07:55] xeodox: Octayn:  Thanks. I'm going to profile it later tonight. Off the top of your head, do you know if switching from my 3 small servers to 1 large would make any difference in speed?
[07:55] Octayn: Xtrivity: you don't "get" it from anywhere, it comes with socket.io
[07:56] Octayn: xeodox: It really depends on a lot of things. If inter-server communication is slowing things down a lot, then probably.
[07:57] Octayn: Xtrivity: put that in an index.html
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[07:57] Xtrivity: Octayn: Where. When i try the example node app.js, it runs but where do i edit the index.html file 
[07:58] xeodox: Oh I forgot to mention I have an API server . The web server hits the API server like 20 times (via REST) using the internal EC2 IP for each request .  So thats actually 4 small servers :)
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[07:58] Xtrivity: Octayn I have a feeling i'm not understanding this all the way i should be, it's frustrating. By the looks of it, app.js is what runs server side.. the index.html runs clientside... but you're saying that socket.io.js and the index.html file is generated by socket.io but where and how ?
[07:59] Octayn: Xtrivity: That's the magic of it :)
[07:59] Octayn: Xtrivity: express is a server framework
[07:59] Octayn: Xtrivity: socket.io uses it to serve the files
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[07:59] Octayn: Xtrivity: see http://expressjs.com/guide.html#middleware, the part about static(), for how to serve up an index.html statically
[07:59] Xtrivity: Octayn okay, so how the shit does this work.
[08:00] Xtrivity: Is index.html client or server side?
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[08:00] Octayn: It is stored on the server. The browser loads and runs it.
[08:00] Xtrivity: if it's client side.. where the **** do i get the socket/socket.io/js client file (as there's no showing of it in on the server being generated by node 
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[08:01] Octayn: do a "curl http://localhost/socket.io/socket.io.js" on the server
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[08:03] Xtrivity: Octayn: "couldn't connect to host"
[08:03] Octayn: Xtrivity: well that's not right
[08:03] Xtrivity: Octayn: woudl you be able to team view me?
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[08:04] asimo: hello to people
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[08:05] Xtrivity: *Would you be able to teamview me and help me out with it Octayn, so I can show you what I mean
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[08:05] asimo: so, i haf problem, anyone can help with railwayjs stuff?
[08:06] Octayn: Xtrivity: no
[08:06] asimo: i will teamview you, but maybe later, now i haf railwayjs problem
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[08:13] Xtrivity: Octayn: all I receive when I go to the vm ip (http://192.168.216.130:1337/) is: Welcome to socket.io.
[08:13] Xtrivity: I'm assuming that the client.html needs to be ran from my local computer (not the vm) correct?
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[08:14] jetienne: hi
[08:16] Xtrivity: Octayn: i'm trying to take examples from the how-to of "http://socket.io".. and i'm assuming the client needs to be running from somewhere.
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[08:16] Xtrivity: but I'm not seeing it or sure how to execute it.
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[08:19] Xtrivity: Well I'm being ignored this is fucking annoying.
[08:19] Industrial: Xtrivity: you have no right to an answer
[08:19] Industrial: it's a privilege
[08:19] Xtrivity: Can anyone please explain to me how I can get the socket.io/socket.io.js from my server and include it in my client's index.html (as shown in how-to from socket.io)
[08:20] Industrial: you have no idea if the other person is even bhind the pc, you can't make assumptions
[08:20] eddyb: Xtrivity: exactly how it's shown in the examples
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[08:20] Xtrivity: eddyb the examples aren't descriptive enough. is the Client the desktop computer trying to connect to the server... if so where is the /socket.io/socket.io.js file
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[08:20] eddyb: socket.io provides a minimal web server to host that .js on the same port
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[08:21] eddyb: or, if it's ran with express, it handles that exact address and websocket connections
[08:21] eddyb: Xtrivity: can you run the web server with node?
[08:21] eddyb: like, using express.js
[08:22] Xtrivity: Well right now i'll take for example ANY example to do with socket.io and when i try to connect to it via browser direct web address (the ip of the VM) it just says "welcome to socket.io"
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[08:22] eddyb: lol
[08:22] eddyb: WebSockets are not human or browser-readable
[08:22] eddyb: they're a protocol implemented in client-side
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[08:23] Xtrivity: So where does the client.html file go? 
[08:23] eddyb: http://192.168.216.130:1337/socket.io/socket.io.js
[08:23] Xtrivity: *client index.html file go.
[08:23] eddyb: try to open that
[08:23] eddyb: it should be a js file
[08:24] Xtrivity: Correct, I am able to open that.
[08:24] eddyb: Xtrivity: the question is, do you want to have the web server ran from the same node process that runs your socket.io server?
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[08:25] Xtrivity: I'm not entirely sure. I have a dedicated web server that runs apache... i am just wanting to use socket.io and node to build a chat like system. If it requires a webserver in itself to do that, then yes i want to run from the socket.io server
[08:26] eddyb: if you do, you can have an web server and a socket.io server on the same port
[08:26] eddyb: look for the express.js example
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[08:27] eddyb: Xtrivity: https://gist.github.com/1868418
[08:27] Xtrivity: If i'm incorperating all of the chat code into a website that is already hosted on a dedi, i still need to use the express server for the websockets part right?
[08:27] eddyb: oh
[08:27] eddyb: you can use a different web server if you want
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[08:28] Xtrivity: eddyb I am running node on a completely different server than the apache server I run as it would be too many resources on one machine.
[08:29] Xtrivity: So on that note: should I should keep express as the webserver should I not? 
[08:29] eddyb: it doesn't make much sense, a node webserver would be quite cheap, but anyway
[08:29] eddyb: all you need is to load http://192.168.216.130:1337/socket.io/socket.io.js
[08:29] eddyb: in the client html
[08:29] Xtrivity: Also after going to that link you gave me and ran it... when i go to the browser it says: "cannot get/"
[08:30] eddyb: you don't have the client, index.html
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[08:30] Xtrivity: eddyb client is ran outside my VM correct?
[08:30] eddyb: the client is just an html file
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[08:31] eddyb: if you run it on the same port, it's as simple as <script src="/socket.io/socket.io.js"></script><script>var socket = io.connect();</script>
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[08:33] eddyb: if you don't, you'll have to use something like <script src="http://192.168.216.130:1337/socket.io/socket.io.js"></script><script>var socket = io.connect('http://192.168.216.130:1337');</script>
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[08:34] eddyb: if you have some big PHP application, you can very well use a different machine or port for the node+socket.io part
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[08:36] Xtrivity: ahh finally eddyb: thank you so much!
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[08:36] SubStack: zackattack: did you get a newer version of node built?
[08:36] SubStack: 
ACTION is curious

[08:36] eddyb: Xtrivity: also, #socket.io is the channel you wanted :P
[08:36] Xtrivity: eddyb: haha i appreciate it a lot! i was so frustrated...
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[08:38] zackattack: SubStack:  yes
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[08:38] eddyb: Xtrivity: I couldn't understand where the .js was supposed to be, for some time :P
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[08:39] zackattack: what was the project
[08:40] SubStack: the web-express example?
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[08:41] Dharmesh: hello
[08:41] SubStack: beep boop
[08:41] Dharmesh: andbody can help for iisnode
[08:41] zackattack: k
[08:42] zackattack: about 9 seconds
[08:42] Dharmesh: how to handle all request throught node.js using iisnode
[08:42] Xtrivity: eddyb: how stable is express and nodejs ?
[08:42] zackattack: bash-3.2$ node --version
[08:42] zackattack: v0.6.11
[08:42] SubStack: :(
[08:42] zackattack: =(
[08:42] SubStack: maybe this is a bug that socket.io fixes in a newer build
[08:42] zackattack: hopefully.
[08:42] SubStack: I can't replicate it though
[08:42] zackattack: well, i decided to stop using it
[08:43] zackattack: i'm just using socket.io now
[08:43] zackattack: but i still had it abstracted to a "server"
[08:43] zackattack: so, :)
[08:43] SubStack: you can still use dnode for server to server communication
[08:43] zackattack: totally
[08:44] zackattack: definitely a great piece of plumbing
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[08:44] eddyb: Xtrivity: if you're not using 0.7, it should be very stable
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[08:45] eddyb: 0.8 will be the stabilized version, with the changes in 0.7
[08:45] [AD]Turbo: hola
[08:45] Xtrivity: eddyb: Thanks! Last quick question. If i already have an apache server running my website, All i should need is a socket.io server should i not? This is where I get a bit confused
[08:46] eddyb: yes
[08:46] eddyb: unless you want a full node.js webserver
[08:46] Xtrivity: Okay, on that note: i can't seem to get connectivity to the socket.io connection (current test setup: node.js / socket.io server on vm + non VM with apache web server installed)
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[08:48] eddyb: Xtrivity: any public test page?
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[08:48] eddyb: or at least can you show me your code? and tell me how it fails :P
[08:48] Xtrivity: eddyb you mind if i pm you quickly?
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[08:50] Xtrivity: eddyb: here's a pastebin: http://pastebin.com/9m9GFeEV
[08:51] Xtrivity: that currently is not working.
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[08:52] Xtrivity: the second part of the code (index.html) is being ran locally on my machine using an apache server.
[08:52] eddyb: with that crap in there you might end up disabling html5 features :P
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[08:53] eddyb: I'm joking, ofc, html5 rules everything
[08:53] Xtrivity: but shouldn't it be crossplatform.. essentially the whole reason im not using HTML5 web sockets 
[08:53] Xtrivity: but that is not working. If i go to the index.html i get no response from the server.
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[08:53] eddyb: Xtrivity: what do you expect?
[08:54] Xtrivity: Well I figured if im using my apache server and connecting to my VM server that it would have some sort of console log or do something.. but i get no results on either end.
[08:54] Xtrivity: so I am assuming i'm doing something wrong...?
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[08:55] eddyb: pffft
[08:57] Xtrivity: haha what is pfft? I'm doin my best here haha!
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[08:58] eddyb: Xtrivity: http://pastebin.com/4S3QMSJi
[08:59] eddyb: that's how you're supposed to use it
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[09:00] Xtrivity: eddyb: When i go to my client laptop: http://localhost/work/socket/index.html and run the index.html as updated on the pastebin, ig et no response :S
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[09:01] eddyb: did you update the app.js ?
[09:01] Xtrivity: you betcha!
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[09:01] eddyb: did you restart the app.js ?
[09:01] Xtrivity: of course.
[09:01] eddyb: and it says nothing in the console?
[09:01] Xtrivity: eddyb: would you be able to teamview my computer? I could show you
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[09:02] Xtrivity: console shows nothing.
[09:02] eddyb: then you're doing it very wrong
[09:02] eddyb: and there's also nothing in chrome's console?
[09:02] Xtrivity: let me check chromes
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[09:02] eddyb: (assuming you're using chrome as any other sane person)
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[09:03] Xtrivity: eddyb: "Uncaught ReferenceError: io is not defined"
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[09:03] Xtrivity: that's on the client side.
[09:03] eddyb: lol
[09:03] eddyb: pffft
[09:04] eddyb: you forgot to include the socket.io js
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[09:04] Xtrivity: example didn't show that but okay oen sec
[09:04] eddyb: all examples show it
[09:04] `3rdEden: So you just expect socket.io to be in your page all magically
[09:04] eddyb: http://pastebin.com/BrKS5sTY
[09:05] eddyb: Xtrivity: I didn't even see you missed it, the first time :P
[09:06] Xtrivity: eddyb: included the socket.io still am receiving nothing in the console
[09:06] Xtrivity: (no errors on the index.html page anymore)
[09:06] Xtrivity: (and no browser console output or errors)
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[09:07] eddyb: Xtrivity: not a single line in the console you're running node app.js ?
[09:07] Xtrivity: not a thing eddyb. :S
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[09:07] Xtrivity: eddyb could i get you to teamview my computer? And i can show you, prob speed this all up quite a bit
[09:07] eddyb: are you even running node?
[09:08] eddyb: with socket.io installed?
[09:08] Xtrivity: of course yes...
[09:08] eddyb: node --version
[09:08] ningu: hey, no one's around on #nodejitsu so I'll ask here... any idea how I detect my app is running on nodejitsu, from within the app?
[09:08] eddyb: from what you're saying, you aren't
[09:08] ningu: I guess I could just set an env var...
[09:08] Xtrivity: eddyb: v0.5.11-pre
[09:09] eddyb: because socket.io goes nuts on the debugging part, and if you don't disable it, you get more than one console line per socket.io message
[09:09] eddyb: Xtrivity: what distro?
[09:09] eddyb: because that's old
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[09:09] eddyb: you want 0.6
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[09:13] timoxley: ningu yep, env vars, I have a feeling there's already something in there. console.log(process.env)
[09:13] timoxley: Xtrivity where did you get that old node from?
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[09:14] timoxley: Xtrivity install a node version manager: e.g. nvm/n/nave 
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[09:15] Xtrivity: timoxley how do i do that?
[09:16] timoxley: Xtrivity e.g. `npm install -g n`
[09:16] timoxley: Xtrivity but first what version of npm
[09:16] timoxley: ?
[09:16] Xtrivity: lol i have no idea
[09:16] Xtrivity: whats the command to find the version: npm version ?
[09:16] eddyb: pfft
[09:16] eddyb: I wouldn't do that if I were you, Xtrivity
[09:16] eddyb: what distro do you have?
[09:17] Xtrivity: npm --version 1.0.106
[09:17] Xtrivity: is npm
[09:17] Xtrivity: I'm running Ubuntu Server
[09:17] eddyb: there might be a package built for node 0.6
[09:17] eddyb: Xtrivity: no kiddin', who told you ubuntu was linux?
[09:17] Xtrivity: eddyb... "distro of what"
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[09:18] eddyb: seriously, why did you pick ubuntu?
[09:18] Xtrivity: everyone said ubuntu server was great for nodejs
[09:18] eddyb: everyone?
[09:18] eddyb: wow
[09:18] Xtrivity: well most people i've talked to said use ubuntu for socket.io and nodejs
[09:18] ningu: eddyb: hey, don't knock on everyone
[09:18] ningu: everyone is a friend of mine
[09:18] eddyb: this is just like justin beiber
[09:18] ningu: haha
[09:19] Xtrivity: haha, Okay well guys, i'm super frustrated... What is the commended linux distro i should run? 
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[09:19] Xtrivity: There's no good tutorials on ANY of this shit, it's all mickeymouse explanations
[09:19] eddyb: Xtrivity: I run openSUSE, there's a server version of it, but you might want something else
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[09:20] eddyb: in any case, keep away from ubuntu, that stuff is bad
[09:20] Xtrivity: haha, FML
[09:20] Xtrivity: okay but can we get this working with ubuntu and i'll switch over after.
[09:21] Xtrivity: timoxley: i'm running npm version: 1.0.106. What would be the best way to update node or how do i install nvm
[09:21] eddyb: nooo
[09:21] eddyb: lemme look for an ubuntu package
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[09:21] eddyb: don't try to run those fancy installers, can screw your package management up
[09:21] timoxley: eddyb pff
[09:21] Xtrivity: alright eddyb, thanks. I would start from scratch with OpenSUSE now
[09:21] eddyb: Xtrivity: ubuntu 11.10?
[09:22] Xtrivity: ubutn 10.04 server
[09:22] eddyb: 10.04 is quite old, too
[09:22] timoxley: Xtrivity I'd just do: `npm install -g n && n 0.6.11`
[09:23] Xtrivity: yeah but it's recommended.
[09:23] Xtrivity: lol timoxley that pumped errors out the ass
[09:23] timoxley: what did it say
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[09:24] Xtrivity: failed to create usr/local/n/nversions.. do you have permission for this folder
[09:24] timoxley: sudo !!
[09:24] Xtrivity: i did sudo
[09:24] Xtrivity: lol
[09:24] eddyb: timoxley: you always forget to mention sudo for npm -g
[09:25] hipsterslapfight: sudo npm && sudo n
[09:25] hipsterslapfight: you can't sudo just once :v
[09:25] eddyb: you as in everyone
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[09:26] Xtrivity: hipsterslapfight looks like that worked
[09:26] timoxley: 
ACTION eddyb probably because I don't require sudo for npm -g

[09:26] timoxley: no idea why
[09:26] Xtrivity: 
ACTION is a *nix noob, just needs this for development, and then i will get someone to configure my dedi's properly for me.

[09:26] Xtrivity: but trying to get the technology to work for dev deems to be a challenge in itself
[09:26] eddyb: why don't you use your dedi
[09:27] Xtrivity: eddyb my dedi is a webserver.
[09:27] Xtrivity: I have to buy a secondary dedi.
[09:27] eddyb: and?
[09:27] eddyb: can't you use the same one?
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[09:27] Xtrivity: yeah, but i aint putting that many resources on one server
[09:27] eddyb: resources?
[09:27] Xtrivity: Load, ram usage, etc.
[09:28] hipsterslapfight: i run ngnginx forwarding to apache and node.js and rails and a bunch of stuff on a 540MB RAM server, i doubt you'd have problems
[09:28] hipsterslapfight: *nginx
[09:28] eddyb: node.js uses a few MBs of RAM
[09:28] Xtrivity: hipsters1apfight, my company would never allow me to run both on one server.
[09:28] eddyb: load is virtually 0
[09:28] Xtrivity: eddyb is it still virtually 0 with tens of thousands of users connected to it at a time?
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[09:28] eddyb: Xtrivity: you make me curious, what's your specialization?
[09:29] eddyb: Xtrivity: it should be
[09:29] eddyb: what's there to do?
[09:29] Xtrivity: I'm a graphic designer and commercial web developer. 
[09:29] Xtrivity: I've beent old to use sockets.io to create a chat much like facebook. so that's my goal / aim
[09:29] eddyb: just pass network messages, back to the other users
[09:29] rendar: this lightness of node.js is made by google v8?
[09:30] eddyb: rendar: yeah
[09:30] rendar: cool..
[09:30] timoxley: Xtrivity they would never let you run nginx + node at the some time?
[09:30] eddyb: Xtrivity: why are you using a VM?
[09:30] Xtrivity: eddyb development.
[09:31] eddyb: I haven't been able to properly develop anything on windows
[09:31] Xtrivity: I dont have a secondary dedi yet, and the first dedi is used for mainstream applications, can't be tampered.
[09:31] Xtrivity: eddyb, when it's web languages and web apps, it's pretty simple on windows.
[09:31] Xtrivity: I am a *nix noob and dont have time to learn it.
[09:31] Xtrivity: eddyb how do i check node version again?
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[09:32] eddyb: node --version
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[09:32] Xtrivity: okay, currently running node 0.6.11 
[09:33] eddyb: Xtrivity: there's not a single decent editor for windows
[09:33] Xtrivity: and the latest version of socket.io
[09:33] Xtrivity: eddyb i use jetbrain and dreamweaver, i dont really care. It's irrelavant really, works for me.
[09:33] eddyb: except kde4 for windows, which is a bit painful to install
[09:33] Xtrivity: Anyways. I am gonna try this one sec.
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[09:33] eddyb: Xtrivity: oh, that's why I was seeing all that transitional crap :P ?
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[09:34] Xtrivity: eddyb you bet :P haha.
[09:34] eddyb: Adobe sucks at code
[09:34] Xtrivity: eddyb: okay, so running the app.js you sent me. 
[09:34] eddyb: it even rhymes :)
[09:34] Xtrivity: and i go to my local machine and i get nothing
[09:34] eddyb: there's also nothing in the console?
[09:35] Xtrivity: Browser console shows: GET http://192.168.216.230:1337/socket.io/1/?t=1329730434404
[09:35] eddyb: and the node.js console?
[09:35] Xtrivity: nothin int he node console
[09:36] eddyb: with http://pastebin.com/BrKS5sTY ?
[09:36] eddyb: you must be kiddin' me
[09:36] eddyb: you should have at least 20 lines of output
[09:36] Xtrivity: browser console spits errors 
[09:36] Xtrivity: one sec
[09:36] Xtrivity: GET
[09:36] Xtrivity: (failed)
[09:36] Xtrivity: undefined
[09:36] Xtrivity: socket.io.js:1630
[09:36] Xtrivity: Script
[09:37] eddyb: don't paste that much in the channel
[09:37] eddyb: how do you run the app?
[09:37] Xtrivity: node app.js
[09:37] eddyb: because you should get loads of messages
[09:38] Xtrivity: and when i go to the browser i run (client side): http://localhost/work/socket/
[09:39] Xtrivity: eddyb: failed to load resource: http://192.168.216.230:1337/socket.io/1/?t=1329730704313
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[09:39] eddyb: ok, give me teamviewer
[09:40] Xtrivity: one sec, think i might've figured it out
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[09:40] Benin: ..
[09:40] Xtrivity: eddyb figured it out haha. Serves me right for copy and pasting haha. You effed up the ip on the index.html
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[09:41] Benin: give me some demos about nodejs on windows.
[09:42] Xtrivity: !google nodejs demos
[09:42] willwh: Results for nodejs demos on Google:
[09:42] willwh: --
[09:42] Benin: ...
[09:43] Xtrivity: lol clearly that didn't work. There's tons of demos on nodejs if you google em
[09:43] eddyb: Benin: windows is not special in any way
[09:43] Benin: why.
[09:43] eddyb: because it's crap
[09:44] Xtrivity: eddyb! I got it workin. Is there any benefit to having the webserver (such as express) attached ?
[09:44] eddyb: but node.js manages to work on windows
[09:44] ningu: eddyb: if special means different...
[09:44] eddyb: just as good as on linux
[09:44] Benin: :D
[09:44] ningu: or maybe windows is "special"?
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[09:44] Benin: my app is running on windows,
[09:44] Benin: so ..
[09:45] eddyb: you just write it in js
[09:45] Xtrivity: ningu lol, love the random smart ass comments haha
[09:45] eddyb: any node.js demo should work on windows
[09:45] ningu: Xtrivity: yeah, that's kind of my specialty
[09:45] Benin: yeah
[09:45] ningu: I'm surprised so far how portable node is
[09:45] ningu: I have had zero issues e.g. with redis or mongodb drivers
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[09:45] Xtrivity: eddyb: Is there any benefit to having the webserver (such as express) attached ?
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[09:46] Benin: I am a beginner 
[09:46] eddyb: Xtrivity: it's useful if you need it
[09:46] eddyb: like, if you need an webserver on the same port
[09:46] eddyb: Benin: just look for a node.js tutorial
[09:46] ningu: I assume the mongodb module has binary libs
[09:46] Xtrivity: eddyb if I have an apache server, there's essentially no point though right?
[09:46] ningu: but it's transparent to use 
[09:46] Benin: eddyb:ok,thanks 
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[09:47] eddyb: Xtrivity: it's better than apache, but if you don't want to get rid of apache, there's no point to it
[09:47] ningu: huh... actually, the mongodb module seems to be pure js
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[09:48] Xtrivity: Well, I have a web application. I want to incorperate a chat system into this application, is running a webserver strictly with socket.io faster/better as opposed to having one server connect to another?
[09:48] ningu: huh, well, in that case, writing database drivers in js is faster than I could have ever imagined...
[09:48] eddyb: does that app use any PHP?
[09:49] Xtrivity: eddyb yes, the whole app is written in php
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[09:49] ningu: the proper way to pronounce php is ffffppp
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[09:49] eddyb: then there's no point in changing to express unless you want to recode all that PHP
[09:50] Benin: eddyb:does any app use C#.
[09:50] Xtrivity: Benin read a book
[09:50] eddyb: why would you ask?
[09:50] eddyb: C# is M$hit
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[09:51] Benin: I think i need read a book first .
[09:51] Benin: thanks all.
[09:51] ningu: C# seems preferable to C++ to me, but I guess on *nix there isn't much point
[09:51] Xtrivity: eddyb, but index.html is stil client side. I wouldn't essentially have to re-write any of the php code at all, i'd just be connecting to that solely for chat
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[09:51] ningu: even though mono exists and all
[09:51] _Steve_: ningu: there is Mono on *nix
[09:52] _Steve_: ningu: http://mono-project.org/
[09:52] _Steve_: yes
[09:52] _Steve_: (I'm having a bit of lag at the moment)
[09:52] eddyb: _Steve_: wrong highlight
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[09:52] eddyb: ah
[09:52] eddyb: 14ms of lag here :)
[09:52] _Steve_: irc client doesnt seem to have much, but I'm having a bit of ssh-lag
[09:52] _Steve_: to this server
[09:53] _Steve_: ningu: sure, mono has its shortcomings, but what do you need?
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[09:54] Xtrivity: eddyb: If I had an application like facebook running on an apache/php server and i were to create a chat system. I know that the express webserver is directly connected to socket.io/node js server. Would connecting to express using a client index.html be faster or would be it be faster to jsut connect directly to the websocket server using socket.io ?
[09:54] eddyb: lol
[09:54] Xtrivity: Do you get what I mean?
[09:54] eddyb: express just serves the client stuff
[09:55] eddyb: like your apache does
[09:55] eddyb: if it's static, doesn't really matter
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[09:58] Xtrivity: Okay perfect. eddyb you're an allstar, thank you!
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[09:59] Benin: eddyb,are you always stay here .:D
[09:59] eddyb: me no talk engrish
[09:59] eddyb: I keep my laptop on most of the time, so I'll see past highlights
[10:00] Benin: ah .
[10:01] Xtrivity: eddyb last retarded thing for me to ask... Where's the socket api documentation. Apparently it's not on socket.io
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[10:05] timoxley: Xtrivity check the examples, tests and the wiki on https://github.com/LearnBoost/socket.io
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[10:27] yawNO: :|
[10:27] yawNO: https://github.com/twitter/bootstrap/blob/master/js/bootstrap-alert.js
[10:27] yawNO: look @ this javascript :|
[10:28] Octayn: What?
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[10:30] yawNO: no ;
[10:30] yawNO: :|
[10:30] Octayn: So?
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[10:30] yawNO: it looks horrible to me
[10:30] yawNO: :)
[10:30] Octayn: lol
[10:31] Octayn: People who pass http://asi.qfox.nl/ with "ninja" or better are allowed to omit semicolons.
[10:31] yawNO: i see
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[10:50] ToTheInternet: Hi. I don't know an awful lot about node.js, other than reading about it every now and then. From what I know so far, it seems it may be perfect for the application I am planning. I was hoping I could get some oppinions here, if it is indeed suited for my app and if it is worth digging into
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[10:50] ToTheInternet: The application is a browser based poker client that interacts with a server. People can join tables and play against each other.
[10:51] ToTheInternet: There are 6-10 players at each table, and there are many tables. Players can sit at more than one table.
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[10:52] ToTheInternet: It would seem, that an event driven architecture is very well suited for this. On top, from what I understand, it is possible to write distributed MVC applications with javascript and node.js, where the View and Controller reside in the client, and the model resides on the server
[10:52] chjj: ToTheInternet: you probably wont find many unbiased opinions here
[10:52] ToTheInternet: Seems like a perfect fit
[10:52] chjj: ToTheInternet: but it sounds like you need a healthy dose of socket.io
[10:53] snuggl: ToTheInternet: any language will do fine
[10:53] Octayn: Yep
[10:53] snuggl: ToTheInternet: event-driven is nice, but node isnt the only event driven serverframework
[10:53] chjj: ToTheInternet: use node if you like the language and the api
[10:54] ToTheInternet: not sure if i like the language. i haven't looked into other event driven frameworks, this is all kind of new to me
[10:55] ToTheInternet: coming from the php world, so i have naturally written some javascript 
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[10:57] ToTheInternet: what seems so nice to me is the fact that javascript runs directly in the clients browser, and i assume since node.js uses server side javascript, communication will be very clean and easy
[10:57] Octayn: ToTheInternet: another things to consider would be Python with twisted or tornado
[10:57] snuggl: or gevent
[10:57] Octayn: Isn't that the one that uses greenlets?
[10:58] Octayn: yeah, I didn't like that one
[10:58] snuggl: ToTheInternet: it will be cleaner and nicer for the developer, it will be invisible to the actual users
[10:58] Octayn: Lots of implicit magic
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[10:58] ToTheInternet: i'm the developer, and i like clean and nice ^^
[10:59] Octayn: ToTheInternet: give Node a shot
[10:59] Octayn: If you don't like it, switch early or write a server-agnostic client
[10:59] eeemsi_: hm… in some npm packages dependencies like kvetch miss explicit naming of coffee-script in the package.json
[11:00] CIA-102: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r4af673e 10/ (130 files in 37 dirs): gyp: update to r1214 - http://git.io/_aJ3dQ
[11:00] CIA-102: node: 03Nathan Rajlich 07master * raf4a96c 10/ configure : 
[11:00] CIA-102: node: build: test `uname -m` first, then `uname -p`
[11:00] CIA-102: node: Prevent false i386 on 64-bit OS X. - http://git.io/tIPSwA
[11:00] CIA-102: node: 03Nathan Rajlich 07master * r546870e 10/ common.gypi : build: use proper `-arch` for target_arch on OS X - http://git.io/d3ptGA
[11:00] CIA-102: node: 03Nathan Rajlich 07master * r028043d 10/ configure : build: map i686 to ia32 - http://git.io/DegCSQ
[11:00] ToTheInternet: ok, downloading sources now :)
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[11:02] timoxley: eeemsi_ you can't currently depend on an executable, perhaps that's why
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[11:03] eeemsi_: timoxley: i do not mean an executable … i mean a dependency
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[11:06] timoxley: eeemsi_ kvetch doesn't need coffeescript as a module, it needs it as an executable
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[11:08] timoxley: eeemsi_ although he should be distributing it as compiled js files, not coffeescript files so it isn't a dependency at all
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[11:34] slaskis: anyone figured out a good way to configure a wscript?
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[11:41] kapouer: hi, node 0.6.11 failling test-cluster-kill-workers, on armhf, anyone ?
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[11:42] kapouer: oops, armhf == armv7
[11:42] kapouer: not failing on armv5tel
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[11:51] ToTheInternet: i cloned the node.js master branch from github. when running make it eventually segfaults. i'm on debian. do i need to checkout another branch or something?
[11:53] ToTheInternet: i checked out branch v0.6 and right now it is compiling. but i'm not sure if thats what i want?
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[11:53] Octayn: v0.6.11 would be the tag you want
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[11:55] ToTheInternet: Octayn: build succeeded. 'node --version' says v0.6.12-pre
[11:56] Octayn: ToTheInternet: Yeah, you don't want that
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[11:56] Octayn: That's unstable beta code, in all liklihood
[11:57] ToTheInternet: Octayn: i wonder why i can't build the master branch
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[11:59] sandfox: ToThe Internet: is there not a stable package for debian?
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[11:59] ToTheInternet: sandfox: no, only unstable
[12:00] sandfox: ToTheInternet: after the clone, checkout the v6.11 tag, that should give the stable release
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[12:02] mappum: Why doesnt npm install automatically list what im installing in package.json? Do I not need it there?
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[12:12] ToTheInternet: sandfox: that worked :)
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[12:13] sandfox: ToTheInternet: awesome, getting writing some node :-)
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[12:31] CIA-102: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r7f4aba9 10/ (36 files in 4 dirs): test: include common.js in all tests - http://git.io/gqDImg
[12:31] CIA-102: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r9997579 10/ test/simple/test-debugger-repl-utf8.js : 
[12:31] CIA-102: node: test: don't let debugger listen on common.PORT
[12:31] CIA-102: node: simple/test-debugger-repl-utf8 has a tendency to fail and leave behind a stray
[12:31] CIA-102: node: process that listens on common.PORT, making later tests fail with EADDRINUSE. - http://git.io/GSmoBQ
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[12:35] deni: hi guys....i am unable to build anything that has to do with node-waf...... for instance npm install -g bigint fails
[12:35] deni: microtime as well
[12:36] deni: on the latest ubuntu everything seems fine
[12:36] deni: but on Debain Squeeze it just doesn't work
[12:36] deni: anybody else had this issue?
[12:36] deni: https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1716
[12:36] deni: it seems more people had this issue but it's not listed how it was resolved
[12:37] deni: i am using node 0.4.12 because the package i am trying to install depends on that version
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[12:42] CIA-102: node: 03Luke Gallagher 07master * r8d3c46d 10/ lib/util.js : util: fix typo in lib/util.js - http://git.io/NepJmA
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[12:43] panosru: What is the best way to get the current route with express.js ? req object provides lot's of properties from where you can find the route I'm wondering if there is a best way to go... for example you can do req.socket.server.route you can do req.connection.server.route, req.originalUrl, req.route.path etc :)
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[13:05] metamind: (easy one). Just done a fresh ubuntu install. used apt-get install nodejs. The npm docs say npm is installed with node. When I type "npm install xxx" I get "npm: command not found"
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[13:07] aliem: metamind: linux distributions' packages are often old
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[13:07] hipsterslapfight: metamind: node -v
[13:07] hipsterslapfight: you're probably on 4.11 or something
[13:07] kapouer: aliem: not here :)  http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nodejs.html
[13:08] metamind: node -v ==> v0.6.10
[13:08] aliem: oh it's been a while since i installed node/ruby/python from packages :)
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[13:09] Octayn: metamind: Woa, really?
[13:09] Octayn: That fresh?
[13:09] Octayn: I'm surprised!
[13:09] hipsterslapfight: yeah so am i actually
[13:10] kapouer: metamind: the npm package is not yet in debian/sid, nor probably ubuntu
[13:10] kapouer: i am working on it
[13:11] metamind: Thanks kapouer. Do you mean that if I update it after you have done your magic it should work?
[13:11] kapouer: you can actually build the package from git repository if you feel comfortable with that
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[13:12] kapouer: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/npm.git
[13:12] kapouer: clone it and git-buildpackage it
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[13:13] metamind: kapouer: I have been doing that previously but always get into a tangle with the npm directory structure. I was hoping it would all just work...
[13:14] kapouer: the package (while not uploaded to debian archive) works very well, as npm is supposed to work.
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[13:15] deni: okay i manged to figure it out...
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[13:15] deni: if anyone sumbles upon the same issue just do: apt-get install  libstdc++6-4.3-dev
[13:15] deni: and it should build fine
[13:16] kapouer: metamind: short howto : 
[13:16] kapouer: gbp-clone git://anonscm.debian.org/collab-maint/npm.git
[13:16] kapouer: cd npm
[13:17] kapouer: git-buildpackage
[13:17] kapouer: and install with dpkg -i
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[13:17] metamind: thanks kapouer. I will give that a wizz.
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[13:19] mikl: isn't there a good module for reading a file line by line out there? All I'm finding on Google is braindead implementations loading the entire file and calling .split("\n") on it :(
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[13:21] humasect: lazily? isnt what you want, something braindead? ;)
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[13:25] metamind: hmmm...   npm$ git-buildpackage
[13:25] metamind: debian/rules:8: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/utils.mk: No such file or directory
[13:25] metamind: debian/rules:9: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk: No such file or directory
[13:25] metamind: make: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk'.  Stop.
[13:25] metamind: debuild: fatal error at line 1322:
[13:25] metamind: couldn't exec fakeroot debian/rules:
[13:25] metamind: debuild -d clean returned 2
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[13:25] metamind: Couldn't run 'debuild -d clean'
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[13:36] wereHamster: mikl: https://github.com/ryanmcgrath/wrench-js
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[13:36] wereHamster: mikl: the LineReader reads the file in blocks
[13:36] mikl: wereHamster: ah, that looks good :)
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[13:47] wiel: if jsdom can scrape the web why do people combine jsdom with node.io?
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[13:52] kapouer: metamind: install cdbs package, and also all packages listed in debian/control Build-Depends field (i never tried building it on ubuntu)
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[13:52] RLa: wiel, because something must run javascript code?
[13:53] wiel: RLa, but i can set the jsdom option to true without having to use require('jsdom')
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[13:56] wiel: ...to do that
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[14:12] andrey-it: Can I ask somebody who is co-developer of nodejs here?
[14:13] mmalecki: andrey-it: co-developer?
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[14:13] wiel: got disconnected :(
[14:13] mmalecki: as in, maintainer?
[14:13] andrey-it: mmalecki: somebody who knows the internals of source code
[14:13] mmalecki: andrey-it: just ask
[14:14] mmalecki: don't ask to ask
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[14:14] nhunzaker: @andry-it isaacs likes to hang out in #node.js alot
[14:14] nhunzaker: @andrey-it *
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[14:16] pleaz: hello
[14:16] andrey-it: I have an idea to build nodejs with javascript files linked inside. So as to hide my source javascript and have only one single exe file. Is it possible?
[14:16] pleaz: i try npm install mysql-libmysqlclient & get meny errros
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[14:17] mmalecki: andrey-it: why?
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[14:17] pleaz: npm ERR! error installing mysql-libmysqlclient@1.2.10 Error: mysql-libmysqlclient@1.2.10 install: `make conf all`
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[14:19] andrey-it: mmalecki: I don't want other people to see my code. Nobody would even know that exe-file shipped to them is NodeJS;)
[14:19] mmalecki: andrey-it: you're wrong - code would be readable, just hidden
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[14:20] mmalecki: andrey-it: and if you really want to do it, checkout https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/src/node.js#L56-63 and how lib/*.js files are bundled in node
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[14:24] andrey-it: mmalecki, thank you. But I wanted to ask in which file main() function resides.
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[14:31] andrey-it: It seams to me that I can achieve that by simply modifying on of py files!
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[14:38] mikl: Is there some way to look at what callbacks are outstanding that prevents Node.js from exiting from within Node.js?
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[14:40] mikl: ie. client.on('end', function () { detect_what_prevents_node_from_exiting() });
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[14:45] timoxley: mikl nope
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[14:46] timoxley: mikl you can force an exit with process.exit() though
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[14:48] mikl: timoxley: that should work, thanks :)
[14:49] timoxley: mikl what's it for
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[14:49] mikl: timoxley: well, I have a simple script that runs a database query and prints the results, but for some reason never quits
[14:49] mikl: timoxley: or rather, waits 5 seconds to quit
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[14:51] timoxley: mikl yep that's a pretty common problem.
[14:52] mikl: timoxley: yeah, process.exit() does the trick, though :)
[14:52] timoxley: mikl :D
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[14:52] mikl: it's harder when you don't actually know when you're done, with lots of asynchronous stuff going on :)
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[14:54] timoxley: mikl you should know when you're done
[14:54] timoxley: mikl the db query fire off a callback
[14:54] timoxley: or something
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[14:56] mikl: timoxley: yeah, thanks :)
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[15:07] jamescarr: so who here is using capistrano for deployments still?
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[15:08] mmalecki: lol, 2012, not using jitsu for deployments
[15:08] jamescarr: mmalecki, :)
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[15:09] jamescarr: mmalecki, nodejitsu always has my full support and I do suggest it to clients (I even talked to a VC about em awhile back)
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[15:09] mmalecki: jamescarr: I know, I'm half joking :). glad you support us, sir!
[15:09] jamescarr: but I still have in-house deployment setups for in house stuff :)
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[15:10] jamescarr: mmalecki, I have been away for awhile though... can jitsu be used for in house deployments? I know you guys open source just about everything :)
[15:10] mmalecki: jamescarr: we can help with that as well, btw
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[15:10] jamescarr: personally I'd like to stop using capistrano because it increases the number of things people have to learn
[15:11] mmalecki: jamescarr: you can use haibu, but it isn't compatible with jitsu. but deploying to haibu is dead easy - one `tar | curl` and your app is running
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[15:12] mmalecki: jamescarr: actually, I'll pm you
[15:13] jamescarr: cool
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[15:14] Sledopit: anybody know nice library for emulate generators?
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[15:17] CIA-102: node: startup: use `.hasOwnProperty` instead of `in`
[15:17] CIA-102: node: Benchmarks show that `.hasOwnProperty` is faster than `in` in V8. It
[15:17] CIA-102: node: makes startup ~0.5 ms faster on my computer. - http://git.io/ZQgDug
[15:17] CIA-102: node: 03Maciej Małecki 07master * r1109c8f 10/ src/node.js : 
[15:17] CIA-102: node: startup: move `EventEmitter` closer to the lookup
[15:17] CIA-102: node: This makes startup faster by ~0.2 ms on my computer. - http://git.io/bCbCww
[15:17] CIA-102: node: 03Maciej Małecki 07master * rb0c1541 10/ src/node.js : startup: use `path.resolve` instead of `path.join(cwd, ...)` - http://git.io/23cfhQ
[15:17] CIA-102: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * rf0c5165 10/ (7 files): http_parser: upgrade to 62110ef - http://git.io/jYnS_w
[15:17] CIA-102: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * rde5e3f6 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): http: support PURGE request method - http://git.io/gt-pBg
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[15:20] jamescarr: mmalecki, thanks for suggesting haibu... I'll investigate it 
[15:20] mmalecki: jamescarr: :)
[15:20] plato: hi, i'm new to JS. im trying to draw one long slanted line, then six 50px line segments from the endpoint of that, alternating in width. im sure theres some stupid syntax error but i'd like to understand what i'm doing wrong. http://jsfiddle.net/ScF6c/
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[15:21] jamescarr: mmalecki, anyway to secure deployments out of the box (aside from doing it myself)? :)
[15:21] bradleymeck: plato ##javascript
[15:21] Industrial: plato: this is the NodeJS server side JS channel, you want ##javascript
[15:22] plato: well, my goal is to learn node.js
[15:22] Industrial: well, that's browser JS :)
[15:22] context: plato: drawing has /nothing/ to do with node
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[15:23] jamescarr: context, unless he's using node-canvas? :)
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[15:25] mmalecki: jamescarr: what do you mean by 'secure deployments'?
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[15:26] jamescarr: mmalecki, preventing anyone from deploying 
[15:27] wereHamster: jamescarr: don't give them ssh access to the host
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[15:27] jamescarr: wereHamster, doh. right. I missed the curl options :)
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[15:28] mmalecki: jamescarr: haibu got auth recently!
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[15:30] bradleymeck: jamescarr my recommendation if you want to secure haibu is to only let it be available through ssh (dont open the port for haibu on your firewall) and then just push out versions via ssh and deploy them from the machine
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[15:30] jamescarr: bradleymeck, yeah, looks about right
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[15:31] jamescarr: very cool stuff. Gonna devote some time today to set it up as a service in a chef recipe
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[15:32] jamescarr: I just got around to thinking about deployments today. thinking of ways to deploy so that all my static content is served by Nginx
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[15:49] johnhamelink: Hey, I'm having troubles re-using a module I've written for myself, and I suspect the reason for this is because I don't understand prototypes...
[15:49] johnhamelink: So I have this file which contains re-usable methods: https://gist.github.com/9fa26bc84d2c3ffd3c37
[15:50] johnhamelink: And here is an example of the module that would use this: https://gist.github.com/f3502f9247aa9fd17600
[15:50] johnhamelink: I want to create a new, unconnected instance every time I load this.obj.standardControllers.init()
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[16:01] timoxley: johnhamelink not clear, that's a fair whack of code
[16:02] johnhamelink: timoxley, sorry. Let me point out the important parts:
[16:02] johnhamelink: file 1: we call init() first, but we want all methods in that object to be new instances of themselves
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[16:02] Gloorian: Hello
[16:02] johnhamelink: in file 2, line 53, we are calling the init() function
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[16:03] Gloorian: I have a question
[16:03] johnhamelink: there are multiple "file 2s" which call the same module using the same object, so I want to create a new instance each time so they don't overwrite each other
[16:03] Gloorian: I'd like to save an array in a file, and easily get it back
[16:03] Gloorian: do you know a way ?
[16:04] johnhamelink: timoxley, I hope that clarifies :)
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[16:04] Blutterbob: What is the method to use when I want to copy a file?
[16:04] timoxley: Gloorian JSON.stringify(yourArray) and look at fs.writeFile and 
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[16:05] timoxley: Blutterbob no easy way in core I don't think
[16:05] timoxley: Blutterbob you can link though
[16:05] Gloorian: Okay, and to get it back, when I have the data value from readFile ?
[16:05] timoxley: Gloorian yep
[16:05] bradleymeck: .pripe from a readstream to a writestream
[16:05] bradleymeck: .pipe*
[16:05] Gloorian: timoxley: yes, but what is the other function to get it back ?
[16:06] Blutterbob: Weird.. with such a large library already... no copy function?
[16:06] Blutterbob: kind of basic :)
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[16:06] timoxley: Gloorian fs.readFile?
[16:06] bradleymeck: Blutterbob, its basic in terms of functionality, but very complex in actual code (look up the new copy algorithm for windows 8 for example)
[16:06] timoxley: Gloorian then JSON.parse
[16:07] Gloorian: oh, thank  you :D
[16:07] bradleymeck: Blutterbob, just pipe a readstream to a writestream from fs
[16:07] timoxley: Blutterbob also look for fs.extras
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[16:09] Blutterbob: timoxley: yeah, already found the fs.extra, which basically does the util.pump.. I already did that as well, but I figured that there should be an easier way to do that..
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[16:09] CIA-102: node: 03Fedor Indutny 07master * r0cebfc8 10/ tools/test.py : 
[16:09] CIA-102: node: tests: kill process group on failure
[16:09] CIA-102: node: Test suite is often leaving `stray` processes on failure. They are
[16:09] CIA-102: node: harmless, but may cause future test runs fail because those `stray`
[16:09] CIA-102: node: processes are occupying `common.PORT` or due to some other reasons.
[16:09] CIA-102: node: Killing whole process group on test suite failure should help in such
[16:09] CIA-102: node: cases. - http://git.io/27afXg
[16:10] timoxley: Blutterbob for many purposes a symlink will do
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[16:10] Blutterbob: timoxley: Question.. Checking the source code for fs.extra.copy, I see src, dst, and cb parameters.. src and dst are obvious, but what is cb?
[16:10] joshsmith: hmm I'm trying to fetch node-pusher from npm but it's erroring out
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[16:11] Blutterbob: and yeah, symlink almost always suffices, but not *always*
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[16:13] joshsmith: wow, so npm's SSL certificate has expired?
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[16:14] joshsmith: or no
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[16:14] joshsmith: it's signed by an untrusted issuer, so npm was breaking for me
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[16:14] timoxley: Blutterbob callback
[16:15] Blutterbob: timoxley: Doh! :)
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[16:19] blup: any recommendations of good js blogs to keep track of? currently know of dailyjs and changelog..
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[16:20] johnhamelink: timoxley, any chance you could give me a hand?
[16:20] johnhamelink: if not, i'll ask on stackoverflow :)
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[16:23] smard: Is there an official node js forum?
[16:23] johnhamelink: timoxley, I've tried using var standard = Object.create(this.obj.standardControllers).init(), but that doesn't seem to help either...
[16:23] timoxley: johnhamelink ask on stackoverflow and I'll get to it in a bit
[16:24] johnhamelink: thanks timoxley :)
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[16:24] bradleymeck: blup: dailyjs, changelog, badassjs, follow paul irish on g+, plenty for me
[16:25] bradleymeck: smard nodejs on google groups
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[16:25] smard: ok thx
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[16:26] timoxley: smard also issacs blog
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[16:27] timoxley: smard http://blog.izs.me/
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[16:28] CIA-102: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r86f4846 10/ (lib/url.js test/simple/test-url.js): 
[16:28] CIA-102: node: url: decode url entities in auth section
[16:28] CIA-102: node: Fixes #2736. - http://git.io/mt-fxw
[16:28] CIA-102: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * rf116e17 10/ test/simple/test-http-url.parse-auth.js : 
[16:28] CIA-102: node: test: update HTTP basic auth test
[16:28] CIA-102: node: Verify that URL-encoded entities are properly encoded into the Authorization
[16:28] CIA-102: node: header. - http://git.io/kSXIDg
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[16:32] johnhamelink: timoxley, It's on stack overflow now, thanks in advance! :) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9364654/node-js-using-prototype-in-a-module
[16:33] illourr: good morning noders
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[16:44] timoxley: johnhamelink what is the flow object
[16:45] johnhamelink: flow is equal to module.exports
[16:45] luzilla: Got this Express warning: connection.session() MemoryStore is not designed for a production environment, as it will leak memory, and obviously only work within a single process.
[16:45] timoxley: ??
[16:45] luzilla: What is the fix for it?
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[16:45] TooTallNate: luzilla: use an external store like RedisStore
[16:45] johnhamelink: timoxley, in line 5, module.exports = flow = {}
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[16:46] luzilla: any tips to configuring it?
[16:46] timoxley: johnhamelink ok. there's a bunch of stuff in here that doesn't make a lot of sense
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[16:46] johnhamelink: timoxley, it'd mean an aweful lot to me if you helped me clean it up!
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[16:47] timoxley: johnhamelink fosho. I'll show you one way to structure it
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[16:47] johnhamelink: Thanks! :)
[16:47] cogman: Does anyone know how geddy compares to RoR in terms of memory consumption and processor usage?
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[16:49] timoxley: johnhamelink also, it looks like you're reinventing some wheel
[16:49] timoxley: johnhamelink I'm not sure what wheen
[16:49] timoxley: wheel
[16:49] johnhamelink: Hmm
[16:49] timoxley: but it looks like you could get away with using some modules
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[16:50] timoxley: johnhamelink anyway, sorry to rag on your code so much
[16:50] johnhamelink: timoxley - no, it's good! I want to get better :)
[16:50] cogman: I have a simple embedded processor with node.js already installed (the beaglebone), It is going to serve 1, maybe 2 users at a time and I'm wondering which framework is going to have the smaller footprint (geddy or ror)
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[16:52] RLa: cogman, benchmark
[16:53] cogman: RLa: Looks like that is what I'll need to do.  Thanks.
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[16:55] RLa: i think it will depend on how many processes of ror you need to run
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[16:56] RLa: and how you run it :) jruby can have quite large memory usage
[16:57] johnhamelink: timoxley, so what should I do then? :)
[16:57] timoxley: johnhamelink I'm writing it up
[16:57] johnhamelink: timoxley, legend :)
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[16:59] cogman: RLa: I was thinking of using the standard ruby interpreter instead of JRuby. It should only need one process.
[16:59] qXs-mac: I'm building a web IRC client using Node using the IRC module, I'm wondering if there's a way to automatically get the channel topic on join, or if there is a listener, and how to access it
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[17:00] RLa: cogman, i think single ruby process can only serve single concurrent request
[17:00] RLa: that will suck in some types of apps, like file uploading
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[17:01] RLa: single process handling upload won't be able to serve other requests at the same time
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[17:01] cogman: RLa: It is an embedded system (so no file storage) that is really just going to display some data from a couple of SQLite tables.
[17:02] timoxley: johnhamelink so you generally have multiple instances of this thing running?
[17:02] timoxley: johnhamelink or just one. the Client - CRUD/filter
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[17:03] creationix: isaacs, morning
[17:03] johnhamelink: timoxley, so I have one instance of the application running, but mutliple instances of the common controller file
[17:03] timoxley: johnhamelink why multiple
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[17:04] timoxley: johnhamelink does 'moduleName' ever change?
[17:04] isaacs: good morning.  happy presidents' day.
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[17:04] creationix: isaacs, are you not working today?
[17:05] creationix: and happy presidents day to you too
[17:05] isaacs: not much.  just posted a scrum update for my non-us coworkers.  i'm off :)
[17:05] mmalecki: wait, you guys have presidents' day?
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[17:06] creationix: isaacs, ok, when you're working again, I want to sync up on some node documentation efforts, in particular scraping the runtime via introspection
[17:06] creationix: enjoy your monday!
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[17:08] Gloorian: hello again
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[17:09] Gloorian: I was wondering, how can I know if a file is empty when I open it with fs.readFile ?
[17:09] jamescarr: heh... isaacs is off, I'm spending my vacation day hacking at node :)
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[17:10] johnhamelink: timoxley yes, every time
[17:11] timoxley: johnhamelink to what values? you have dynamic routes? is it the client id?
[17:11] johnhamelink: no, it could be research, company, client, or a whole host of other stuff
[17:12] timoxley: johnhamelink so this is supposed to basically provide automated crud for any mongoose model
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[17:12] johnhamelink: timoxley, pretty much! :)
[17:13] johnhamelink: The idea is that I can drop in extra functionality (as a git submodule). The module has the standard controller as an option with which to handle responses
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[17:14] johnhamelink: (the extra functionality are these modules), the standard controller is packaged seperately
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[17:14] Gloorian: does anyone know ?
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[17:17] johnhamelink: timoxley, does that make sense to you… I feel like I'm being cryptic
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[17:18] jgautier: hey i have a read stream and write stream open on the same file, when i do a .write on the write stream i dont get a 'data' event on the read stream.
[17:18] timoxley: johnhamelink are the dynamic resources known at startup time?
[17:18] jgautier: is it possible to read and write to the same file at the same time?
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[17:18] timoxley: johnhamelink or are they added while the app is running
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[17:18] johnhamelink: timoxley, the modules are loaded from app.js and are visible to all modules that are loaded
[17:19] johnhamelink: timoxley, the vendor directory are then read syncronously and the modules are loaded into them
[17:19] johnhamelink: (the modules im referring to hear are 3rd party - installed from npm)
[17:19] johnhamelink: *here
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[17:21] jamescarr: hmmmm... my regex is weak. How would I define a path in express that basically says "anything but the login page" ?
[17:22] Epelii: first define your login page url and then just add wildcard matcher
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[17:22] Epelii: no need for regex
[17:22] ningu: your regex is weak, my friend.
[17:22] ningu: or should that be, your regex is weak, old man.
[17:23] qXs-mac: i sense the regex is strong with this one
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[17:23] jocafa: You need to take Regex-Kwon-Do!
[17:23] jamescarr: Epelii, fair enough
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[17:23] jocafa: 
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[17:23] vdemedes: Hello
[17:24] yawNO: hi vdemedes 
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[17:24] jamescarr: thanks
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[17:28] jgautier: hey i have a read stream and write stream open on the same file, when i do a .write on the write stream i dont get a 'data' event on the read stream.
[17:28] jgautier: is it possible to read and write to the same file at the same time?
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[17:30] ts__: jgautier: you can read a file concurrently
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[17:31] jgautier: if i have a read stream and write stream opened to the same file how come i dont get the 'data' event when i call the .write on the write stream?
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[17:31] ts__: because the read stream close itself when the file is read
[17:31] ts__: if you want to know when a file is changed
[17:31] ts__: use fs.watchFile
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[17:32] jgautier: ah so the read stream closes itself when it has read all the data
[17:32] ts__: yes
[17:32] RLa: maybe you want named pipe
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[17:33] ts__: what's the best way to transform some js code (function source included) into string ? i see that Function has a toString method
[17:33] jgautier: well at the end of the day im trying to build a mock serial port, so i can read and write to it and perform unit testing without having a serial device connected
[17:33] ningu: ts__: erm, with what goal?
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[17:34] ts__: ningu: executing some code in a vm on another server ;)
[17:34] RLa: jgautier, so try named pipe
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[17:34] RLa: you could create it as temporary file
[17:34] jgautier: will do
[17:35] jgautier: any examples on how to do that with node?
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[17:35] CrisO: What's the best module for image resizing ?
[17:36] vdemedes: CrisO: let me recommend you Magician( http://github.com/vdemedes/Magician)
[17:36] ts__: magician
[17:36] vdemedes: CrisO: I'm using it in production
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[17:36] vdemedes: ts__: thanks! Glad to hear that someone uses my module!
[17:36] sigurding: anyone here used formaline with a progress bar?
[17:36] vdemedes: sigurding: Hello Johannes!
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[17:36] vdemedes: sigurding: sorry, no :-)
[17:37] sigurding: hey vdemedes :-)
[17:37] sigurding: (Vadim) :)
[17:37] vdemedes: sigurding: :-)
[17:37] sigurding: how are you?
[17:37] vdemedes: sigurding: good thank you! What about you?
[17:37] CrisO: vdemedes: cool, thanks
[17:37] RLa: jgautier, can't find anything about it in node, but you can execute mkfifo command yourself
[17:37] RLa: other than that, the file should work as usual file
[17:37] jgautier: gotchya
[17:37] sigurding: vdemedes: I am also fine
[17:38] vdemedes: sigurding: great! :-)
[17:38] jgautier: would there be an advantage of doing the named pipe or just doing a file watch?
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[17:38] jgautier: i would just be using this for unit tests
[17:38] sigurding: started using formaline and got some stuff running, though I do not understand some things
[17:38] vdemedes: sigurding: ask :-)
[17:39] vdemedes: sigurding: progress bar problem?
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[17:39] RLa: jgautier, not sure how you could do it with file watch
[17:40] sigurding: vdemedes: exactly yes. As I see, I need to open a socket, right? But what would be the appropriate client side? JQuery-UI with progress bar?
[17:40] vdemedes: sigurding: nope, jQuery's UI has nothing to do with that
[17:40] vdemedes: sigurding: this is just UI element
[17:40] johnhamelink: timoxley, if you could write a response on my stackoverflow, I'd love you forever and ever ^_^ I need to go to some crappy meeting now!
[17:41] jgautier: i see that they added support for FIFOs but i dont see any docs http://blog.nodejs.org/2011/07/22/node-v0-5-2/
[17:41] vdemedes: sigurding: I'm having such dirty idea: when upload comes, listen to the progress event(on the server) and keep progress values in the separate array
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[17:41] timoxley: johnhamelink response up.
[17:41] vdemedes: sigurding: you know what? Socket.io would be perfect for that
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[17:41] sigurding: vdemedes: thought of that too
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[17:42] vdemedes: sigurding: just connect to the channel, and emit progress event
[17:42] sigurding: I think i found something like that
[17:42] vdemedes: sigurding: that will be hassle-free
[17:42] sigurding: one sec.
[17:42] vdemedes: sigurding: yep, sure
[17:42] jamescarr: this might sound silly, but is there anyway to have express set default locals?
[17:42] sigurding: vdemedes: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5323291/node-formidable-and-a-simple-progress-bar
[17:43] jamescarr: for example, i want every page to have the title set if  it isn't already
[17:43] RLa: jgautier, they work as normal files
[17:43] RLa: no special support is needed
[17:43] RLa: i think there stats.isFIFO() method, that might be all support it needs :)
[17:44] vdemedes: sigurding: yep, exactly what I'm saying. And what is the problem?
[17:44] vdemedes: sigurding: Socket.io + formidable/formaline
[17:44] sigurding: vdemedes: the client side. how do I connect to exactly this socket and no other?
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[17:45] vdemedes: sigurding: there should be only one socket server, you connect to it, and server sends events to the client using session's id
[17:45] vdemedes: sigurding: however, I've worked with socket.io long time ago, don't know how things go now
[17:45] vdemedes: sigurding: let me check
[17:46] sigurding: vdemedes: ah okay, that was the part missing for me
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[17:46] jgautier: hmm so i used mkfifo to make a named pipe then used a read steam and it still closed immediately just like a normal file
[17:46] jgautier: am i missing something? ive never used a named pipe before
[17:46] rumble-pack: how can i bind a different ip address to node-inspector? i want to access it remotely
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[17:48] vdemedes: sigurding: I think you can listen & broadcast events with custom names, like "progress-for-upload-135245345"
[17:49] sigurding: ok, I will give it a try, let me see
[17:49] vdemedes: sigurding: ;-)
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[17:55] sigurding: vdemedes: on the client side I am using socket.io as well? http://socket.io/ 
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[17:56] vdemedes: sigurding: yep, same library ;-)
[17:56] sigurding: ok need to install it first via npm
[17:56] jaw187: Anyone know of ICMP modules other than ones that run child processes?  Or should I just use dgrams?
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[17:59] timoxley: jamescarr you could create your express 'locals' by merging a 'default locales' hash with a specific translation hash
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[18:00] jamescarr: timoxley, thanks... I think what I want in this case is to attach a helper 
[18:00] jamescarr: much like mongoose-auth does
[18:00] timoxley: jamescarr cool
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[18:17] ketan: hi
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[18:35] ningu: is there a good way to debug why x === y is not succeeding? 
[18:35] ningu: doh. I think I just figured it out.
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[18:40] EhevuTov: ningu, use typeof ?
[18:41] EhevuTov: typeof x; typeof y
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[18:43] ningu: EhevuTov: yeah... I just figured out that my var had been coerced to a string, and it was null, so it came out as "null" :P
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[18:44] EhevuTov: ningu, threaten it. Show it who's boss.
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[19:01] slickplaid: Dang... what's the name of that site that catches and echos back responses for api testing and such? I can't for the life of me remember what it is.
[19:02] mmalecki: slickplaid: http://www.postbin.org/ ?
[19:02] slickplaid: yes!
[19:02] slickplaid: thanks
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[19:04] luzilla: Is it necessary to set app settings inside app.configure() ?
[19:05] luzilla: can't i just do app.set('views', __dirname + '/views'); in the app file root?
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[19:08] ningu: luzilla: yes
[19:08] ningu: but app.configure() can detect your environment as well
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[19:09] luzilla: If I were to set it for all environs?
[19:09] luzilla: equialent to app.configure(function() { ...
[19:09] ningu: yes
[19:09] ningu: afaik
[19:09] luzilla: hmmm ok
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[19:11] rickibalboa: So I have a tls server listening for connections/data. I have this code in it: s.on('close', function() { console.log(s.remoteAddress); }); it prints undefined, any reason for this? It doesn't in the data event.
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[19:14] yawNO: xeround is stalking me
[19:14] yawNO: i googled them once
[19:14] yawNO: now i get their ads appearing everywhere
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[19:14] yawNO: from youtube to random google ads websites
[19:14] yawNO: help :(
[19:15] RLa: adblock!
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[19:16] yawNO: RLa: but i feel sorry for poor sysadmins who make money out of it :P
[19:16] yawNO: jk lol
[19:16] yawNO: yeah i could.. nice hint
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[19:33] ningu: there should be a show called who wants to be a key/value store, with redis philbin
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[19:37] maxogden: ningu: you can use this to make a logo github.com/maxogden/kathyleegiffer
[19:37] aslant: I've got a binary png attachment on a database. I want to serve that png in a get request. I'm faiing badly - on search engines use and initiative! Please could I have some help?
[19:37] axscode: http://pastebin.com/r6SrW7vs <-- can someone help out how to isolate the problem.
[19:37] ningu: hehe
[19:38] ningu: axscode: erm, it would help to have the server.js code
[19:38] Bonuspunkt: i need a backup of the erotivoice.com folder :X
[19:38] aslant: axscode: look 44 characters in on line 87 of server.js
[19:39] aslant: that obj is undefined
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[19:43] axscode: http://pastebin.com/KrCKA520
[19:43] axscode: im not sure if thats the problem, or the installation of nodejs?
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[19:44] ningu: axscode: looks like it isn't finding .messagePath
[19:45] ningu: although I'm not sure what the business about the prototype property is
[19:45] axscode: any clue how to fix?
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[19:45] jamescarr_: anyway to capture the oauth key during an everyauth authentication?
[19:46] jamescarr_: basically I want to reuse the key to make API requests
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[19:46] ningu: axscode: that's the whole server.js file?
[19:46] axscode: yes.
[19:46] axscode: just pasted the whole file
[19:47] ningu: oh, I see
[19:47] ningu: it's in express's server.js
[19:47] sechrist: so for situations where you may or may not have to execute an async call based on logic, but need to execute pretty much the same code with or without the async code
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[19:47] sechrist: what's a conventional method for keeping it DRY? a declared function for that code?
[19:48] nathanielk: that's what i do, sechrist
[19:48] nathanielk: something lik function finish() {} 
[19:48] nathanielk: that can be passed or just called outright
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[19:48] axscode: ningu? anything i should do?
[19:48] ningu: axscode: did you paste the file referenced in the error message? why is it part of node_modules/express?
[19:48] ningu: I don't see that file in my express
[19:48] sechrist: I seem to encounter this scenario a lot in webapp routes
[19:49] torvalamo: point organism
[19:49] torvalamo: i like that
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[19:50] axscode: http://pastebin.com/bDJP9in9 <-- this is the npm install, so what i did since i got this error i did npm install express@1.0.7  
[19:50] axscode: im not sure if that right thing to do though
[19:51] ningu: erm... why 1.0.7?
[19:51] axscode: im not sure thats on the list so i tried..
[19:51] axscode: can u help out how to do it?
[19:51] ningu: 2.5.8 is current
[19:51] ningu: I don't know much about why your npm won't find it
[19:51] ningu: I didn't really configure npm
[19:51] ningu: it just worked
[19:51] nathanielk: sechrist: wjat
[19:51] axscode: npm ERR! Error: No compatible version found: express@'>=2.4.3' <-- what does it say?
[19:51] nathanielk: er
[19:52] nathanielk: sechrist: what's the logic you're finding yourself depending on?
[19:52] axscode: i mean, dont exist where? the repo?
[19:52] sechrist: nathanielk: like lets say another db/redis hit has to happen based on something provided back in a user document
[19:52] sechrist: if it needs to, it does the request, then continues on with the handler, if not, continues immediately
[19:52] axscode: oh well, how  can i configure my npm then.. grr.. im soo noob with this but i want to learn how to set it up
[19:52] nathanielk: yeah, that tends to be mine too.
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[19:53] ningu: axscode: I don't know, there are docs for npm, but I'd start by using the latest express
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[19:53] nathanielk: sechrist: wish i had better advice, sorry
[19:54] sechrist: eh I'm doing that too, but since this is common I would like to see some standard way of doing this kind of complicated control flow
[19:54] sechrist: goto: statement
[19:54] sechrist: lol
[19:54] axscode: whats the latest of node version?
[19:54] ningu: I typically have an inline function finish()
[19:54] ningu: axscode: 0.6.11
[19:55] axscode: node -v v0.7.5-pre
[19:55] axscode:  <-- so is latest right?
[19:55] axscode: how about npm?
[19:55] AvianFlu: axscode, that's a very unstable version
[19:55] AvianFlu: use 0.6.11
[19:56] ningu: 0.7 is dev
[19:56] axscode: how to install 0.6.11 ?
[19:56] ningu: well, how did you install 0.7?
[19:56] axscode: or how to overwrite my existing
[19:56] ningu: I don't know what distro you're on
[19:56] axscode: centos
[19:56] wereHamster: axscode: download && compile ?
[19:56] axscode:         mkdir -p ~/local/src && cd ~/local/src && git clone git://github.com/joyent/node.git && cd node && ./configure && make && sudo make install
[19:56] axscode: just this...
[19:57] maxogden: + git checkout v0.6.11
[19:57] maxogden: between clone and ./configure
[19:57] wereHamster: axscode: that will compile the latest version, not 0.6.11
[19:57] axscode: yeah so how again?
[19:57] maxogden: axscode: type "git checkout v0.6.11"
[19:57] wereHamster: axscode: what maxogden said. LTR
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[19:58] axscode: [root@erotimarket src]# git checkout v0.6.11
[19:58] axscode: fatal: Not a git repository (or any of the parent directories): .git
[19:58] maxogden: wereHamster: git syntax isnt exactly intuitive
[19:59] wereHamster: axscode: after cd node;
[19:59] wereHamster: axscode: also, why don't you download the tarball?
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[19:59] wereHamster: also, compiling as root. ugh -.-
[20:00] axscode: [root@erotimarket node]# git checkout v0.6.11
[20:00] axscode: HEAD is now at 1eb1fe3... 2012.02.17 Version 0.6.11 (stable)
[20:00] maxogden: wereHamster: make && sudo make install, not sudo make && sudo make install
[20:00] maxogden: axscode: sweet now you can do make
[20:01] axscode: shall i ./confugre first?
[20:01] maxogden: axscode: oh yeah hehe
[20:01] wereHamster: yes
[20:01] axscode: ok
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[20:01] wereHamster: axscode: you compilin' for the first time?
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[20:01] axscode: not really.. 
[20:02] axscode: im not familiar with git, and nodejs
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[20:02] wereHamster: compiling is no different than any other unix software
[20:02] axscode: i am more familiar with wget file.tar.tgz, tar -zxvf file.tar.gz; cd file; ./configure; make && make isntall 
[20:03] wereHamster: axscode: so why aren't you doing that?
[20:03] maxogden: axscode: the syntax is "git checkout TAGNAME", where TAGNAME comes from https://github.com/joyent/node/tags
[20:03] maxogden: wereHamster: its called learning, people do it sometimes
[20:04] axscode: ah, so its like from the git repo, i'll choose what head to get and compile?
[20:04] Aria: Yes.
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[20:04] Aria: HEAD in git is just a pointer to the 'current' commit.
[20:04] axscode: clever
[20:04] maxogden: axscode: yeah well maintained repositories use tags to manage releases
[20:04] Aria: When you check something out, it moves the pointer to it, and then updates your working tree to match.
[20:05] maxogden: axscode: so you can just jump around to different tags from inside your repo
[20:05] axscode: ic, but basically you downloaded already all sources?
[20:05] Aria: tags are named references to certain commits.
[20:05] Aria: Yes.
[20:05] axscode: ahh, a total clone..
[20:05] Aria: You can be a little selective, but in git, downloading a commit implies getting at least all of its ancestor commits too.
[20:05] axscode: thats sharing...
[20:05] Aria: So most of the time, that's everything not experimental.
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[20:06] Aria: (it makes checking out different revisions FAST. You already have them, and it only has to update your working copy with differences between where you were and where you're going)
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[20:06] axscode: im excited to learn nodejs...
[20:06] axscode: diff/changed file.. ic... 
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[20:07] axscode: 'make' takes too long.. im so excited
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[20:11] axscode: wow sweet
[20:12] axscode: huwaawww... server.js went through..
[20:12] axscode: thank you guys..
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[20:13] ketan: how to update node?
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[20:15] axscode: http://pastebin.com/eXjNFm9N
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[20:15] axscode: new problem arises though
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[20:18] maxogden: axscode: seems like the code you're writing was designed for node 0.4 and not 0.6
[20:19] maxogden: axscode: are you using the newest version?
[20:19] axscode: i am.. i will double check 
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[20:20] maxogden: axscode: if its only compatible with 0.4 then i'd recommend checking out 0.4.12 (the last 0.4.x release) and doing ./configure and make and sudo make install again
[20:20] maxogden: axscode: or contacting the author and asking them to upgrade to 0.6 compatibility
[20:20] axscode: ill try compiling 0.4.12 then
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[20:20] ningu: is there any idea when 0.8 will be out?
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[20:21] ningu: a roadmap, I mean?
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[20:21] maxogden: ningu: just curious, why do you ask?
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[20:24] ningu: maxogden: well, I just got started with node, so I don't really know what its current status is (was just reading about isaacs taking over). but I plan to have my app working for the foreseeable future and it's good to have some idea what's going to happen.
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[20:25] maxogden: ningu: overall the focus right now is on stability and tools to support that
[20:25] ningu: it won't be a huge code base, so if there are small api changes either in node or express, it may not be a huge deal (or I just won't update).
[20:25] jamescarr_: anyway to send my own custom headers with socket.io?
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[20:26] jaw187: anyone know of good modules/apps to use for remotely monitoring applications and services?
[20:26] maxogden: ningu: but so far upgrading between major semvers isnt earth shatteringly hard
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[20:26] ningu: maxogden: so 0.8 doesn't have many planned new features?
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[20:27] mmalecki: ningu: if you want them, use 0.7
[20:28] `3rdEden: jamescarr_ nope, not possible
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[20:28] jamescarr_: `3rdEden, bummer :)
[20:28] maxogden: ningu: i wouldnt worry about your app being obsolete. if you wanna know whats in the pipeline there is a dev list and lotsa github branches
[20:28] ningu: mmalecki: that's not the point, I'm just wondering how to get a better sense of where things are and where they're headed, without combing through thousands of mailing list messages
[20:28] jamescarr_: `3rdEden, I was going to try and test drive from outside the box, but I need those headers since I authenticate
[20:28] jamescarr_: ah well
[20:29] jamescarr_: I can still test drive the components and just wire em in
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[20:30] maxogden: ningu: its going to be things like unicode support, domains, new build system etc and not switching to Dart or coffeescript or anytyhihng controversial like that
[20:30] maxogden: wow i borked that word
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[20:31] ningu: maxogden: there are no native coffeescript interpreters, are there?
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[20:31] maxogden: ningu: just to clarify coffeescript will never be in node core, i was just using it as an example
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[20:33] ningu: maxogden: are there details on the unicode support that you can point me to?
[20:33] maxogden: ningu: mailing list, twitter, isaacs brain
[20:33] ningu: that's probably the most relevant for me. right now I use XRegExp to search by unicode property. I assume that will become core at some point.
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[20:34] ningu: perl has had it since 5.6 or something. perl's unicode support is annoying in many ways (it's damn hard to tell it "everything is utf-8, don't even think of anything else") but many languages don't come close to its features.
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[20:35] ningu: hmm, and character semantics... does node have that at all currently?
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[20:43] JohnFoo: What is the most used couchdb module? I found cradle and nano... Are there any other/better....
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[20:53] maxogden: JohnFoo: i use request
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[20:56] CIA-102: node: 03Andreas Madsen 07master * r3f40623 10/ src/node.cc : core: ignore too many arguments, don't assert - http://git.io/0oOw3A
[20:57] JohnFoo: maxogden: yep, that's a solution too... Thought about...
[20:58] JohnFoo: Thanks..
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[21:02] ricedog: Hi all .. i'm a bit new around here.. i've run into something that I can't figure out if it's a bug or just my code
[21:03] jocafa: is there a *good* way to use project-specific binaries for node and npm?
[21:04] ricedog: i'm getting 0 returned on parseInt(08) and parseInt(09)
[21:04] ricedog: all other ints seem to work fine..
[21:05] maxogden: .. parseInt(08)
[21:05] catb0t:  8
[21:05] CIA-102: node: 03Maciej Małecki 07master * rc6c6f98 10/ (lib/child_process.js lib/cluster.js lib/util.js): 
[21:05] CIA-102: node: util: add `util._extend` for extending objects
[21:05] CIA-102: node: There were 2 duplicates with such functionality in `cluster` and
[21:05] CIA-102: node: `child_process` modules which were replaced by this function. - http://git.io/NQW8Iw
[21:05] CIA-102: node: 03Maciej Małecki 07master * rda90836 10/ (lib/http.js lib/https.js lib/tls.js): tls http https: don't pollute user's `options` object - http://git.io/qr2hhA
[21:05] AvianFlu: .. parseInt(08, 8)
[21:05] catb0t:  NaN
[21:05] maxogden: .. parseInt(09)
[21:05] catb0t:  9
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[21:06] ricedog: the code works in firebug, or seems to, it's in node v0.6.10
[21:06] maxogden: .. process.version
[21:06] catb0t:  Exception: ReferenceError: process is not defined
[21:06] maxogden: :(
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[21:07] ningu: .. __dirname
[21:07] catb0t:  Exception: ReferenceError: __dirname is not defined
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[21:07] ningu: .. document
[21:07] catb0t:  Exception: ReferenceError: document is not defined
[21:07] maxogden: ricedog: parseInt(08) works for me on node 0.6.7 and catb0t
[21:07] catb0t: parseInt08 ricedog
[21:07] maxogden: catb0t: wat
[21:07] catb0t: wat , did v8bot 
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[21:08] ricedog: ok thanks, i'm going to keep digging, i'm getting some weird behaviour
[21:08] ningu: .. null+''
[21:08] catb0t:  "null"
[21:08] ningu: I had that happen to me earlier
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[21:09] ricedog: http://www.go4expert.com/forums/showthread.php?t=857 oh .. 
[21:10] maxogden: .. parseInt("08")
[21:10] catb0t:  0
[21:10] ricedog: ok, you're right, i have to force parseInt to base 10 or it'll treat the leading 0 as octal
[21:10] ningu: weird
[21:10] maxogden: thats dumb
[21:10] eeemsi_: .. var greeting='/hello'; greeting.substr(1);
[21:10] catb0t:  "hello"
[21:11] ningu: .. parseInt("0xa")
[21:11] catb0t:  10
[21:11] ningu: .. parseInt("007")
[21:11] catb0t:  7
[21:11] ningu: .. parseInt("07")
[21:11] catb0t:  7
[21:11] ricedog: :) at least I wasn't going crazy
[21:11] ningu: .. parseInt("010")
[21:11] catb0t:  8
[21:11] ningu: hrm
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[21:11] ningu: .. parseInt("0010")
[21:11] catb0t:  8
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[21:12] eeemsi_: .. var greeting='/hello'; JSON.stringify(greeting.substr(1));
[21:12] catb0t:  ""hello""
[21:12] tuhoojabotti: ningu: don't forget to give the radix
[21:13] ningu: tuhoojabotti: I know, I'm just seeing what it does without
[21:13] tuhoojabotti: magicks!
[21:14] ningu: .. parseInt("0.7")
[21:14] catb0t:  0
[21:14] ningu: .. parseInt(".7")
[21:14] catb0t:  NaN
[21:15] CIA-102: node: 03Nathan Rajlich 07master * r19133ca 10/ configure : 
[21:15] CIA-102: node: build: better host_arch() definition in configure
[21:15] CIA-102: node: On one of my OS X Lion machines, it always reports i386, even though 64-bit
[21:15] CIA-102: node: is supported. This lookup better matches how WAF determines the host arch,
[21:15] CIA-102: node: which was correctly getting 64-bit even on this screwy machine. - http://git.io/f6Jatg
[21:15] ricedog: thanks ningu, i was going in circles on this one, code is working again.. 
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[21:16] rumble-pack: why doesnt node-inspector pause on the first line?
[21:17] ricedog: according to w3schools (top google result) that leading 0 converting to octal is deprecated.. file as bug?
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[21:19] ricedog: already been filed ages ago.. 
[21:19] maxogden: ricedog: just teach your users how to count in octal
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[21:20] ricedog: should be fine.. it's pulling it out of an ID with substr, .. which reminds me.. over 2 digits will break :(
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[21:22] vdemedes1: bye!
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[21:28] EhevuTov: .. typeof ("string"+3)
[21:28] catb0t:  "string"
[21:28] EhevuTov: .. typeof "string"+3
[21:28] catb0t:  "string3"
[21:29] ningu: .. typeof null
[21:29] catb0t:  "object"
[21:29] ningu: .. null.foo = 10
[21:29] catb0t:  Exception: TypeError: Cannot set property 'foo' of null
[21:29] eeemsi_: .. [] + []
[21:29] catb0t:  ""
[21:29] eeemsi_: i realy like that one 
[21:29] eeemsi_: ^^
[21:29] ningu: .. [] ^ []
[21:29] catb0t:  0
[21:30] EhevuTov: ningu, my fu has increased
[21:30] ningu: .. undefined = 10; undefined + 3
[21:30] catb0t:  NaN
[21:30] ningu: hmm
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[21:30] ningu: I read somewhere that you can redefine undefined
[21:31] Bonuspunkt: .. new Array(16).join('1' - 1)
[21:31] catb0t:  "000000000000000"
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[21:31] Bonuspunkt: .. new Array(16).join('a' - 1)
[21:31] catb0t:  "NaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaN"
[21:31] ningu: hey hey hey
[21:31] ningu: good night
[21:31] EhevuTov: ningu, could you explain the ones you did with the empty arrays?
[21:31] ningu: EhevuTov: 0 XOR 0 I assume
[21:31] ningu: er, wait
[21:31] ningu: that would be 1
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[21:31] ningu: .. [] | []
[21:31] catb0t:  0
[21:31] EhevuTov: it's an addition and then a power, right?
[21:32] ningu: .. 0 ^ 0
[21:32] catb0t:  0
[21:32] ningu: is ^ a power in js? I thought it was xor
[21:32] EhevuTov:  I'm not sure
[21:32] ningu: .. 2 ^ 1
[21:32] catb0t:  3
[21:32] ningu: nah, xor
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[21:32] EhevuTov: that explains it, thanks
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[21:33] ningu: .. 3 ^ 1
[21:33] catb0t:  2
[21:33] EhevuTov: gotta use Math.power or something
[21:33] ningu: but I'm still not sure why [] ^ [] comes out as 0
[21:33] EhevuTov: yeah, I'm not sure
[21:33] Bonuspunkt: .. 1 ^ 1
[21:33] catb0t:  0
[21:33] ningu: oh, cause 0 ^ 0 = 0, duh... it's 1 ^ 1 that = 0
[21:33] ningu: brain stopped momentarily there
[21:34] ningu: .. null | undefined
[21:34] catb0t:  0
[21:34] AndreasMadsen: .. [] == ![]
[21:34] catb0t:  true
[21:34] ningu: .. Object | Array
[21:34] catb0t:  0
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[21:35] ningu: .. null == undefined
[21:35] catb0t:  true
[21:35] ningu: .. null === undefined
[21:35] catb0t:  false
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[21:35] EhevuTov: now that's one I can understand :-)
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[21:35] ningu: .. [] == []
[21:35] catb0t:  false
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[21:36] ningu: AndreasMadsen: care to elaborate? :P
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[21:36] AndreasMadsen: ningu: yes
[21:36] eeemsi_: .. console.log(greeting)
[21:36] catb0t:  Exception: ReferenceError: console is not defined
[21:36] AndreasMadsen: when using == .toString() is used on both sides
[21:36] AndreasMadsen: [].toString() is equal to [].join()
[21:36] AndreasMadsen:  and [].join() is equal to ''
[21:37] ningu: ok, but if it's used on both sides...
[21:37] AndreasMadsen: now an empty string is a falsy value
[21:37] bnoordhuis: .. delete ReferenceError; ReferenceError
[21:37] catb0t:  Exception: ReferenceError: ReferenceError is not defined
[21:37] bnoordhuis: ^_^
[21:37] EhevuTov: do I need to read the ECMA specs to find all these intricacies
[21:37] AndreasMadsen: and an array is a true value 
[21:37] AndreasMadsen: so when doing ![] it gets false
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[21:37] AndreasMadsen: and then you have it.
[21:37] eeemsi_: .. []
[21:37] catb0t:  [ ]
[21:37] AndreasMadsen: .. ([]).toString()
[21:37] catb0t:  ""
[21:37] ningu: AndreasMadsen: but why doesn't [] == [] also return true?
[21:38] AndreasMadsen: .. [] == []
[21:38] catb0t:  false
[21:38] EhevuTov: .. ([]) == ([])
[21:38] catb0t:  false
[21:38] AndreasMadsen: ningu: because it isn't the same object
[21:38] bnoordhuis: ningu: arrays are objects and objects only have identity equality
[21:38] AndreasMadsen: .. var a = []; a == a;
[21:38] catb0t:  true
[21:38] ningu: ah, ok
[21:39] ningu: .. Array instanceof Object
[21:39] catb0t:  true
[21:39] AndreasMadsen: ningu: I belive, I'm accturlly not sure
[21:39] ningu: .. Number instanceof Object
[21:39] catb0t:  true
[21:39] bnoordhuis: AndreasMadsen: no, you're right
[21:39] ningu: is anything not an Object?
[21:39] AndreasMadsen: bnoordhuis: ahh, thanks
[21:39] bnoordhuis: ningu: primitives are... here it gets tricky
[21:39] ningu: I thought Number and String were not objects
[21:40] EhevuTov: primitives are objects?!
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[21:40] bnoordhuis: ningu: raw numbers and strings are unboxed, primitive, not an object
[21:40] maxogden: http://nodeguide.com/style.html#equality-operator
[21:40] bnoordhuis: ningu: but they can be coerced into their object equivalent, e.g. String and Number
[21:40] ningu: I see
[21:40] ningu: var foo = 5; foo instanceof Object
[21:40] bnoordhuis: it's a little counterintuitive
[21:40] ningu: .. var foo = 5; foo instanceof Object
[21:40] catb0t:  false
[21:41] AndreasMadsen: .. var a = new Boolean(true); a.foo = false; print(a); print(a.foo).
[21:41] catb0t:  Exception: SyntaxError: Unexpected end of input
[21:41] AndreasMadsen: .. var a = new Boolean(true); a.foo = false; print(a); print(a.foo);
[21:41] catb0t:  { true foo: false }; false
[21:41] AndreasMadsen: live Boolean constructor
[21:41] AndreasMadsen: *love
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[21:41] EhevuTov: don't we have to be careful with some things if carb0t uses eval() ?
[21:41] mmalecki: he doesn't
[21:41] ningu: I like this one
[21:41] rauchg: socketio\test\06 i know whatcha doing
[21:41] ningu: .. var foo = [1,2,3]; delete foo[2]; foo.length
[21:41] catb0t:  3
[21:41] AndreasMadsen: .. "use string"; print(this);
[21:41] catb0t:  { [object global] }
[21:42] AndreasMadsen: .. "use strict"; print(this);
[21:42] catb0t:  { [object global] }
[21:42] mmalecki: he does some crazy spidermonkey stuff
[21:42] maxogden: .. var foo = [1,2,3]; delete foo[2]; foo
[21:42] catb0t:  [ 1, 2 ]
[21:42] ningu: .. var foo = [1,2,3]; foo.splice(2,1); foo.length
[21:42] catb0t:  2
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[21:42] AndreasMadsen: I don't think he use eval
[21:42] ningu: .. var foo = [1,2,3]; delete foo[2]; foo[2]
[21:42] catb0t:  
[21:42] AndreasMadsen: .. var foo = [1,2,3]; delete foo[2]; print(foo[2])
[21:42] catb0t:  undefined
[21:42] maxogden: .. var foo = [1,2,3]; delete foo[2]; JSON.stringify(foo)
[21:42] catb0t:  "[1,2,null]"
[21:42] AndreasMadsen: .. this
[21:42] catb0t:  { [object global] }
[21:42] maxogden: muaha
[21:43] AndreasMadsen: .. print(this)
[21:43] catb0t:  { [object global] }
[21:43] ningu: as far as I know, the spec says delete foo[2] should work
[21:43] AndreasMadsen: .. Object.keys(this)
[21:43] catb0t:  [ "print", "greeting", "a", "foo" ]
[21:43] ningu: but it appears only to work as expected on collections, not arrays
[21:43] maxogden: ningu: [1,2,null]
[21:43] AndreasMadsen: ^^ there you go
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[21:43] ningu: .. var foo = [1,2,3]; delete foo[2]; foo[2] == null
[21:43] catb0t:  true
[21:43] ningu: .. var foo = [1,2,3]; delete foo[2]; foo[2] === null
[21:43] catb0t:  false
[21:43] bnoordhuis: ningu: no, it works - what you're seeing is the expected behavior
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[21:43] ningu: bnoordhuis: then the gecko dom reference is unclear
[21:43] ningu: not the spec, I realize ;P
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[21:44] bnoordhuis: .. var a = [1,2,3]; delete a[1]; a
[21:44] catb0t:  [ 1, 3 ]
[21:44] bnoordhuis: ningu: ^
[21:44] bnoordhuis: oh, catb0t pretty-prints it
[21:44] catb0t: prettyprints oh
[21:44] ningu: .. var a = [1,2,3]; delete a[1]; a[1]
[21:44] catb0t:  
[21:44] bnoordhuis: what you end up with is this -> [ 1, , 3 ]
[21:44] maxogden: .. var foo = [1,2,3]; delete foo[2]; JSON.stringify(foo)
[21:44] catb0t:  "[1,2,null]"
[21:44] ningu: yeah, it's gone
[21:44] ningu: is "nothing" different from null?
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[21:45] ningu: .. var a = [1,2,3]; a[1] = null; a
[21:45] catb0t:  [ 1, null, 3 ]
[21:45] bnoordhuis: ningu: yes, undefined !== null
[21:45] bnoordhuis: oh, fun fact
[21:45] ningu: so why does JSON.stringify give null?
[21:45] bnoordhuis: .. undefined = null; undefined === null
[21:45] catb0t:  false
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[21:45] bnoordhuis: maybe catb0t works in strict mode...
[21:45] catb0t: strict mode, yeah maybe
[21:45] maxogden: lol
[21:45] ningu: .. var a = [1,2,3]; delete a[1]; a[1] === undefined
[21:45] catb0t:  true
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[21:46] ningu: ok, so it really is just undefined
[21:46] ningu: erm, above I meant gecko js reference
[21:46] ningu: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Operators/delete
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[21:47] AndreasMadsen: night, but thought I should go offline with this:
[21:47] AndreasMadsen: .. (![]+[])[+[]]+(![]+[])[+!+[]]+([![]]+[][[]])[+!+[]+[+[]]]+(![]+[])[!+[]+!+[]]
[21:47] catb0t:  "fail"
[21:47] EhevuTov: that one would work differently in an eval() right?
[21:47] maxogden: AndreasMadsen: lol
[21:47] ningu: doh. I must not have read down far enough on array elements.
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[21:47] ningu: I just refuted myself ;)
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[21:48] ningu: but it's really odd... it removes it from the array but changes no indexes
[21:48] ningu: it's *not* undefined
[21:49] ningu: and yet apparently it === undefined
[21:49] ningu: .. var a = [1,2,3]; delete a[1]; 1 in a
[21:49] catb0t:  false
[21:50] ningu: .. var a = [1,2,3]; a[1] = undefined; 1 in a
[21:50] catb0t:  true
[21:50] EhevuTov: it still exists, just not set
[21:50] bnoordhuis: ningu: use .splice() if you want to really remove  an element
[21:50] EhevuTov: oh way...
[21:50] bnoordhuis: .. var a = [1,2,3]; a.splice(1,1); a
[21:50] catb0t:  [ 1, 3 ]
[21:50] bnoordhuis: .. var a = [1,2,3]; a.splice(1,1); a.length
[21:50] catb0t:  2
[21:50] ningu: bnoordhuis: I know
[21:51] ningu: I'm just trying to understand the semantics of delete
[21:51] ningu: I had a splice example above
[21:51] bnoordhuis: there is no logic to it
[21:51] tuhoojabotti: ningu: You can also play in the repl, or query catb0t. :)
[21:51] catb0t: ningu with a large amount of work went into the npm fold, or crush him as well
[21:51] ningu: I know
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[21:51] tuhoojabotti: Yes.
[21:51] EhevuTov: don't play with delete in REPL, right?
[21:52] ningu: I just thought I'd provide some benefit/entertainment/annoyance to others
[21:52] ningu: I've been doing things in the repl as well
[21:52] tuhoojabotti: ningu: Yes, quite. That's an honest goal.
[21:54] EhevuTov: ningu, I've ran into issues with delete with an REPL
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[21:54] EhevuTov: ningu, this is what I'm referring to: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7624250/why-is-my-deleted-function-not-typeof-undefined-in-node-js
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[21:58] ningu: well, yeah, it's not meant to delete functions
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[21:59] EhevuTov: the difference was because I wasn't using a REPL and the tutorial I was learning from _was_ using an REPL. It threw me off
[21:59] konobi: sugyan: ping
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[22:13] rumble-pack: there is a server example on the node.js front page that echoes what i send it but how do i send it data?
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[22:13] slickplaid: you've got to find the address and place a stamp on the envelope
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[22:13] slickplaid: then a postal worker will come by and pick it up to have it delivered
[22:14] slickplaid: expect a response in 4-12 weeks
[22:14] Phoenixz: Anybody here with experience using node deamon? I do daemon.start(fd); and right away, I see nothing on the console anymore (as probably should be) but I dont see a pid file, I dont see any log output as well..  What might be wrong, or how could I debug this?
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[22:15] ricedog: what os you running? i had to figure this out yesterday
[22:16] ricedog: i'm running ubuntu on AWS . this was really helpful http://howtonode.org/deploying-node-upstart-monit
[22:16] jaw187: Phoenixz: I use forever and it will log output to a file which you can identify with forever list
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[22:18] EhevuTov: rumble-pack, run the program in node and in another window run 'telnet 127.0.0.1 1337'
[22:18] EhevuTov: rumble-pack, then start typing and hit enter
[22:18] rumble-pack: ok
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[22:24] EhevuTov: rumble-pack, did it work?
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[22:25] rumble-pack: EhevuTov, telnet isnt setup on this machine yet
[22:25] rumble-pack: but thats a quick thing for me
[22:26] Phoenixz: jaw187: forever also can daemonize?
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[22:28] Phoenixz: jaw187: forever also can daemonize?
[22:28] jaw187: phoenixz: forever runs as a deamon
[22:29] jaw187: i guess it doesn't actually deamonize your node processes
[22:29] jaw187: https://github.com/nodejitsu/forever
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[22:29] mmalecki: caolanm: hey, I'm refactoring async tests because adding a new test is a real pain atm, is there any reason why it says 'x*5' instead of 'x*25' here? https://github.com/caolan/async/blob/master/test/test-async.js#L547
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[22:31] caolanm: mmalecki: not sure why, but that value is generally what you can get away with in IE6
[22:31] qbit_: anyone have any recommendations for documenation stuff? ( like beautiful-docs )
[22:31] caolanm: it's not important if it's 5 or 25 other than IE taking longer than the interval to process it
[22:32] mmalecki: caolanm: ah, I see
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[22:32] caolanm: mmalecki: if IE fails, first thing to do is increase the timeouts ;)
[22:32] caolanm: mmalecki: would be nice if we *just* did that for IE I guess, then tests would run faster from the command-line
[22:32] mmalecki: caolanm: oh wait, you need tests to work in IE6?
[22:33] caolanm: mmalecki: you bet
[22:33] caolanm: mmalecki: have fun testing :D
[22:33] mmalecki: caolanm: damn :/. does IE6 have .bind?
[22:34] caolanm: I doubt it
[22:34] mmalecki: oh well, fuck
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[22:34] caolanm: mmalecki: you can probably re-implement
[22:34] caolanm: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Function/bind
[22:34] mmalecki: caolanm: yeah, I'll
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[22:35] Phoenixz: jaw187: Ah, so forever is just more like a separate process that will just make sure that your node process keeps running?
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[22:37] jaw187: Phoenixz: yeah, I think LearnBoost just released something similar....but forever does what I need it to do
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[22:38] jaw187: nevermind, Up by LearnBoost is a module to reload an application without downtime
[22:39] nickdc: will forever restart my application if I modify it (when I'm uploading changes to my app.js file)?
[22:39] jaw187: no, but you can restart it throgh forever
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[22:40] nickdc: ok, I have used a module before that restarts the server if a the file is modified, is there anything like that for forever or that can be used in conjunction?
[22:40] mmalecki: there's `forever -w start app.js`, it'll do that
[22:41] jaw187: ah, nice malecki
[22:41] nickdc: ahh -w eh? lets see what that command does
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[22:43] nickdc: not sure what the -w command does, but it doesn't run it as a separate process it seems
[22:44] mmalecki: nickdc: it watches a file
[22:44] mmalecki: directory, to be precise
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[22:44] mmalecki: at least it should...
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[22:46] nickdc: Ok, but in doing -w I get a "warn: could not read .foreverignore file." and it seems to be run in the terminal (not as a separate process) any way around that?
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[22:46] jaw187: read the docs
[22:46] jaw187: :)
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[22:47] jaw187: actually, i guess it doesn't explain that
[22:47] mmalecki: nickdc: try `forever start -w file.js`
[22:48] mmalecki: if it doesn't work either, I can start shooting people or something
[22:48] Phoenixz: jaw187: could you give me a url from learnboost? there are various node projects with that name..
[22:50] nickdc: dang that didn't seem to work either
[22:50] jaw187: https://github.com/learnboost/up
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[22:50] nickdc: what does the -s do?
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[22:50] nickdc: that didn't help :)
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[22:51] Phoenixz: jaw187: forever actually starts the process using daemon node.. simplifies things greatly..
[22:51] mmalecki: nickdc: can you try `forever --watch start app.js`?
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[22:52] nickdc: I actually just tried that same result
[22:52] nickdc: I wonder if there is more to that warning than meets the eye
[22:52] Phoenixz: jaw187: and with that in mind, the learnboost cluster library ought to do the same, but gives you cluster options.. interresting..
[22:53] mmalecki: nickdc: that warning means that it works
[22:53] nickdc: oh weird. I wonder why it would be doing this then.
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[22:53] mmalecki: nickdc: it can't find file with definitions for ignoring changes
[22:54] mmalecki: nickdc: I wrote this part of forever btw
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[22:54] nickdc: oh nice
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[22:55] nickdc: It's honestly not too big of a deal to restart the service, but would be convenient if it worked :)
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[22:55] mmalecki: nickdc: I mean, it doesn't go into background for you?
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[22:56] nickdc: not when using the -w command no
[22:56] mmalecki: nickdc: damn, you're right :/
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[22:56] nickdc: sad day :(
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[22:57] mmalecki: nickdc: I'll try to debug it later
[22:57] mmalecki: nickdc: pretty sure it's a bug in CLI arguments parsing
[22:57] nickdc: sure that's great, what's a good way to keep track of that? to see if it has been updated?
[22:58] mmalecki: nickdc: forever repo
[22:58] nickdc: k
[22:58] Phoenixz: Does anybody know if learnboost cluster also deamonizes each child process? I suppose it does..
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[22:58] nickdc: thanks
[22:58] disappearedng: Hey how come nodeunit doesn't adhere to setTimeout? 
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[22:59] attilagyorffy: hi
[22:59] attilagyorffy: anyone with vows experience here and could potentially help me please?
[22:59] attilagyorffy: i'm having issues when trying to test instances of a module
[23:00] mmalecki: attilagyorffy: I know vows a bit. can you gist it?
[23:01] jaw187: phoenixz: i have no experience with Up
[23:01] attilagyorffy: https://gist.github.com/b982fd969e44031138e2
[23:01] attilagyorffy: mmalecki: ^^
[23:01] attilagyorffy: the gist should have my module, the vows test and the output too
[23:02] attilagyorffy: the issue occurs when i am trying to assert.instanceOf
[23:02] attilagyorffy: assert.instanceOf(record, User);
[23:02] attilagyorffy: (line #13 in the output)
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[23:03] mmalecki: attilagyorffy: yeah, looking
[23:03] attilagyorffy: mmalecki: thank you
[23:04] attilagyorffy: been scratching the top of my head lately, i am just not getting the problem there
[23:04] mmalecki: attilagyorffy: because User is not instanceof User
[23:05] mmalecki: attilagyorffy: ah, wait, I derped
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[23:06] mmalecki: attilagyorffy: hm. you're not exporting User class anywhere
[23:07] mmalecki: so User is just an object with 'find' and 'find_by_name' methods
[23:07] attilagyorffy: oh i think i know what you mean there
[23:07] attilagyorffy: let me have a try
[23:07] attilagyorffy: so essentially i am going to export User as a whole, right?
[23:07] attilagyorffy: rather than just its methods as an object
[23:08] mmalecki: attilagyorffy: yeah, and then do User.find = function () ...
[23:08] attilagyorffy: great
[23:08] attilagyorffy: thank you
[23:08] attilagyorffy: let me have a go
[23:08] mmalecki: attilagyorffy: :)
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[23:14] rumble-pack: has anyone here worked with node.io?
[23:15] attilagyorffy: mmalecki: so now if i am exporting the whole user object then theoretically i shouldn't need to change my test case. is that correct?
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[23:16] deluded: anyone have experience with doing async REST-ful services with Node and using a pubsub queue like Redis pubsub? mixing up some node and PHP back-end services
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[23:17] attilagyorffy: mmalecki: https://gist.github.com/40a8ff8e135cf8f946f7
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[23:19] mmalecki: attilagyorffy: sec, looking
[23:19] attilagyorffy: thank you
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[23:22] mmalecki: friggin vows
[23:22] mmalecki: so for some reason vows thinks that your test is asynchronous
[23:22] attilagyorffy: tell me about it :)
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[23:23] ningu: does anyone know of any libraries for generating sort comparison functions?
[23:23] mmalecki: attilagyorffy: tell *me* about it
[23:23] ningu: I'm thinking e.g. of sorting by obj.foo, then obj.bar, then obj.baz...
[23:23] ningu: I can write my own, but maybe someone has already made it easy.
[23:23] mmalecki: attilagyorffy: I'm the maintainer
[23:24] attilagyorffy: are you?
[23:24] mmalecki: yeah
[23:24] mmalecki: so, it might be a bug
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[23:27] mmalecki: attilagyorffy: can you make this `topic.find` calls a topic?
[23:27] dunder-mifflin: is there any node modules for data processing? i.e. to process 1 million objects in a json file, i want to run N number of workers in parallel, apply a custom function to each object being processed, all from command line
[23:28] mmalecki: attilagyorffy: I'll fork and show you
[23:28] attilagyorffy: mmalecki: let me have a look, 1 sec
[23:28] attilagyorffy: great!
[23:28] dunder-mifflin: with progress monitoring and reporting 
[23:28] attilagyorffy: thanks
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[23:30] mmalecki: attilagyorffy: something like what I've done with 'lol' https://gist.github.com/13489bc7fd085c3151d4
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[23:30] mmalecki: I really have to think of a better way to implement it
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[23:33] attilagyorffy: mmalecki: still getting `Errored » callback not fired` issues
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[23:33] mmalecki: attilagyorffy: can you show me how the code looks like now?
[23:34] attilagyorffy: sure thing, 1 sec
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[23:36] eukreign: i want to use objects as a key in {}, is there an easy way to generate some unique string representing an object? on the same subject, what are the pitfalls of just using the object as the key directly, would that even work?
[23:37] attilagyorffy: mmalecki: https://gist.github.com/b982fd969e44031138e2
[23:37] eukreign: var foo = {}; var bar = {}; var dict = {}; dict[foo] = 1; dict[bar] = 2;    <-- something like this
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[23:37] attilagyorffy: mmalecki: hang on, i messed up something there
[23:38] attilagyorffy: mmalecki: ok, look at the gist url now
[23:39] Phoenixz: I currently have a configurable route management with node and express using http://pastebin.com/EvNsLe6d but I would like to know what I can do to catch 404s , when people try to access an URL that doesn;'t exist.. I would like to send a redirect to the correct page (since there are no other URLs).. How would I go about that?
[23:39] attilagyorffy: updated: https://gist.github.com/b982fd969e44031138e2
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[23:39] mc: anyone in here worked out a solution for running multiple versions of node for multiple projects on the same server?
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[23:41] mmalecki: mc: haibu
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[23:42] mc: yeah? i hadn't looked into it too deeply yet
[23:42] mmalecki: mc: yeah. it can run different apps under different versions and deploys are easy as hell
[23:43] mc: i'll have to do some reading for sure. thanks for the tip
[23:43] mmalecki: attilagyorffy: can you try calling this.callback() after each function except topic there?
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[23:46] disappearedng: Hey is there anyway to do setTimeout in nodeunit? 
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[23:51] rumble-pack: does anyone know how to create a window object in node.io?
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[23:56] disappearedng: I don't know whether console.log is not reliable or it's the way I am testing that is breaking this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9370231/nodeunit-execution-order 
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[23:58] insin: how many  Node.js CoffeeScript web frameworks based on Ruby on Rails are there now? Losing count here
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