[00:01] rafeca: anyways maybe having core method would be useful
[00:01] copygirl: astropirate: before i go, wanna see it?
[00:01] copygirl: i found the problem btw
[00:01] astropirate: copygirl, okie
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[00:07] jesusabdullah: Any vows users here? I made a thing https://gist.github.com/1617654
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[00:08] astropirate: jesusabdullah, got too much time on your hands again? >_>
[00:09] jesusabdullah: hahaha
[00:09] jesusabdullah: You'd think, huh? But no, I just do stuff like this during my downtime cause I think it's funny
[00:10] astropirate: jesusabdullah, no this is great
[00:10] jesusabdullah: It's good to laugh at stuff, keeps your mood going
[00:10] jesusabdullah: heh
[00:10] jesusabdullah: Funny enough, I think this might actually be useful XD
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[00:15] blueadept: anyone familair with everyauth? What is happening if i'm getting "Cannot GET /auth/twitter" for the twitter wroute?
[00:15] blueadept: does that mean the middle wear isn't loading?
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[00:25] chilts: blueadept: did you do the veryauth.twitter.(etc) stanza to set those routes up?
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[00:25] chilts: also, did you do : app.use( everyauth.middleware() );
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[00:35] bLiNdRaGe: new weird error. so my site works fine, the blog also if i go to /blog/page/1 where my express routes /blog/page/:pagenum
[00:35] bLiNdRaGe: i have /blog which calls res.redirect('/blog/page/1') which crashes
[00:35] blueadept: yeah doing app.use
[00:36] blueadept: infact i think i have everything setup correctly, but now none of my routes are working
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[00:36] blueadept: not even '/'
[00:36] blueadept: i should probably use specifiy the route in .twitter
[00:37] bLiNdRaGe: http://fpaste.org/bScS/
[00:37] bLiNdRaGe: that's what happens when i direct to /blog
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[00:39] bLiNdRaGe: even weirder, it worked, worked, failed and dumped
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[00:45] CIA-101: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r03cb903 10/ (src/node.cc src/node_isolate.cc): 
[00:45] CIA-101: node: isolates: remove references to uv_thread_self()
[00:45] CIA-101: node: uv_thread_self() is difficult to implement on Windows in a way where the return
[00:45] CIA-101: node: value is valid across threads. It's already been removed from upstream libuv. - http://git.io/uXK6dA
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[00:47] jhbot: 'Can I inject globals into a Node module before it's loaded?' by Joe White http://stackoverflow.com/q/8874721 (tags: unit-testing, knockoutjs)
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[01:07] torvalamo: when a new process is started (not necessarily node, just a random minimal c app) does the executable machine code get duplicated in memory for every instance, or does it refer to the same code block?
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[01:08] torvalamo: as in, you have lots of these processes
[01:09] torvalamo: anyone know?
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[01:09] context: torvalamo: pretty sure each one uses its own.
[01:09] context: shared libraries though work differently
[01:10] context: but i could be wrong
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[01:11] torvalamo: so there's no need for an operating system then? :P
[01:11] torvalamo: wtf is it doing? smoking weed?
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[01:16] bnoordhuis: torvalamo: depends on the os and the binary, linux mostly shares the code sections if they're marked read-only
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[01:17] torvalamo: what do you mean read only? the machine code in memory isn't going to change randomly?
[01:18] bnoordhuis: torvalamo: it could, some programs are self-modifying
[01:18] torvalamo: oh right
[01:18] torvalamo: erlang style?
[01:18] torvalamo: :p
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[01:19] torvalamo: is it marked read only by default or what?
[01:19] bnoordhuis: yes
[01:19] torvalamo: coolio
[01:19] torvalamo: thx
[01:19] bnoordhuis: np
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[01:20] torvalamo: any keywords i can google for?
[01:20] bnoordhuis: uhm... "linux kernel source"?
[01:20] torvalamo: no thanks :P
[01:20] bnoordhuis: oh, i should mention that it's less effective for dynamically linked programs
[01:20] bnoordhuis: i.e. most of them
[01:21] torvalamo: this is just a plain standalone c app with less than 100 lines of code
[01:21] bnoordhuis: okay, the thing is the dynamic linker does relocation at run-time
[01:22] bnoordhuis: every memory page that contains something that's relocated will become a cow'd
[01:22] bnoordhuis: *eh, gets cow'd
[01:23] konobi: bnoordhuis: i worked out the magic scons incantation to get node building on armv5te properly
[01:23] bnoordhuis: konobi: yeah?
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[01:24] konobi: bnoordhuis: v8_cmd in wscript... add `    arch += ' armeabi=soft' ` if on armv5te
[01:25] bnoordhuis: konobi: have you been following #2131? :)
[01:25] konobi: lemme check
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[01:27] konobi: ah
[01:27] konobi: bnoordhuis: isaacs has access to my armv5te device if we want to make some flag for it or what not
[01:28] bnoordhuis: konobi: i don't think there's a good way to support arm, every arm board is different
[01:28] bnoordhuis: so those sheevaplugs don't have a fpu
[01:28] bnoordhuis: but my home router, also an armv5te, does
[01:28] konobi: yup... though v8 supports it
[01:29] konobi: cat /proc/cpuinfo should give you enough to work it out on linux though
[01:29] bnoordhuis: hmm, maybe - there's the still the issue of fp calling conventions, hardfp vs. softfp
[01:30] konobi: yeah, that's all in the v8 SConstruct though
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[01:31] bnoordhuis: konobi: if you can fix it up into something that works reliably, i'll merge it
[01:31] bnoordhuis: it'd have to be a patch against master (and the gyp build system) though
[01:31] konobi: kk, i'll have a think
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[01:31] disappea_: Hey in js how do you do { myvar.myattribute : something? } without causing a syntax error? 
[01:32] astropirate: disappea_,  { name: value}
[01:32] konobi: obj[ var.attr] = foo;
[01:32] astropirate: name can be in qotes if it contains illigal variable name chars
[01:32] astropirate: { "name---fooo.bar": 12321}
[01:34] jesusabdullah: also, { "Jenny's Phone Number": 8675309 }
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[01:49] misza222: hi guys, im using node 0.6.7 and socket.io 0.8.7
[01:50] jesusabdullah: congrats ;)
[01:50] misza222: are these 2 compatibile?
[01:50] context: thats awesome
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[01:50] context: you could check the package.json file 
[01:50] context: it tells you 
[01:50] jesusabdullah: misza222: If it's incompatible it won't even install without a --force
[01:50] context: also, what jesusabdullah said ;)
[01:51] misza222: ok, thanks jesusabdullah 
[01:51] pbraden: does anyone here have experience debugging C++ node extensions?
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[02:01] deepm: I'm trying to send a variable named socket_id to a client.js file included in my view
[02:01] deepm: I am useind express ann expose 
[02:02] deepm: but I still can't figure out how to do that
[02:02] deepm: can anybody help ?
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[02:10] Registered: pbraden: a bit
[02:11] Registered: wondering if there's a way to emit events from the async function ( in a native module)
[02:11] pbraden: I have an issue where my extension compiles, but the nodemodule is unimportable - I wanted to know if there was a way to get some debug on why
[02:11] astropirate: I just realized I'm too good for node, i'm going back to VB.NET
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[02:12] Registered: pbraden: what platform ?
[02:12] pbraden: os x
[02:12] pbraden: same happens on linux
[02:13] Registered: been doing it on Windows - msvc ...
[02:14] Registered: you should be able to place a breakpoint in your entry function 
[02:14] Registered: to see where it crashes 
[02:14] pbraden: entry to what?
[02:15] Registered: entry to the module 
[02:15] Registered: NODE_MODULE(modulename, ModuleEntryFunction);
[02:15] Registered: your module needs to be modulename.node ( where modulename is what you want)
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[02:16] Registered: and ModuleEntryFunction is your entry function
[02:16] pbraden: where is that declaration?
[02:16] pbraden: is that a c++ macro?
[02:16] Registered: yeah - it should be in your module...
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[02:17] Registered: this is the best module example I've seen 
[02:17] Registered: take a look here - https://github.com/kkaefer/node-cpp-modules
[02:17] pbraden: thx
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[02:21] deepm: can anybody explain how express-expose module works ?
[02:21] Drigo: nodejs is secure? o.O
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[02:22] torvalamo: it's secure as long as you don't make it insecure
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[02:23] Drigo: :D
[02:23] kenperkins: does anyone know why debug messages go to stderr ?
[02:24] torvalamo: because that's what they're supposed to?
[02:24] Drigo: torvalamo nodejs run in windows?
[02:24] pquerna: working as intended
[02:25] kenperkins: supposed to because that's the linux convention? or because it was a concious decision by the nodejs guys
[02:25] torvalamo: you can just wrap it though   console.debug = function() {return console.log(arguments)}
[02:25] teadict: okey, let's see what the fuss about Backbone is all about
[02:25] torvalamo: or fuck me
[02:25] torvalamo: console.debug = console.log
[02:25] torvalamo: i'm stupid
[02:25] torvalamo: innit
[02:25] torvalamo: :P
[02:25] bnoordhuis: kenperkins: both
[02:26] kenperkins: i'm just unfamiliar with it that's all, was trying to figure out why winston (npm module) had forced logging level debug to stderr
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[02:28] kenperkins: and given that you'd typically have debug info be the most verbose it's wierd that levels 0 and 4 would go to stderr, and 1,2 and 3 would goto stdout (where 0 is debug, verbose, info, warn and error respectively)
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[02:29] bnoordhuis: Registered: https://github.com/bnoordhuis/node-event-emitter
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[02:31] Registered: bnoordhuis: Thanks, I'm wondering if its possible from an async thread...
[02:31] Registered: something like 
[02:32] bnoordhuis: Registered: you can with a little effort, wake up the main thread with uv_async_send
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[02:32] bnoordhuis: Registered: but never ever call into v8 from another thread, bad things will happen
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[02:32] Registered: bnoordhuis: exactly ...
[02:33] Registered: I was wondering if there was already a clean way of 
[02:33] Registered: .... int status = uv_queue_work(uv_default_loop(), &baton->request, AsyncWork, AsyncAfter); ....
[02:33] Registered: and then emitting from the AsyncWork function ...
[02:33] bnoordhuis: Registered: no, only from AsyncAfter
[02:33] Registered: that's what I thought 
[02:34] Registered: figure i'll break up the task, and wrap it with a .js object 
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[02:34] Registered: but in a small test I had a 10% overhead when I did that...
[02:35] bnoordhuis: Registered: uv_async_send is the alternative
[02:36] Registered: bnoordhuis: thanks, I check it out!
[02:36] bnoordhuis: good luck :)
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[02:40] teadict: this backbone shit makes using extjs a total overhead
[02:40] teadict: I like that
[02:40] teadict: specially since ExtJS costs thousands
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[02:46] pigeon_: hey yall, whats the best mysql package for node at the moment?
[02:46] teadict: package?
[02:46] pigeon_: module*
[02:46] teadict: I mean.. to use mysql in node? node-mysql
[02:46] teadict: best ORM is Sequelizejs.com
[02:46] teadict: best ORM is http://Sequelizejs.com
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[02:49] pigeon_: coming from a php/mysql background, will sequelize feel familiar or will i need to invest some time really learning nt
[02:49] pigeon_: learning it*
[02:50] teadict: it's the best documented out there, so no
[02:50] teadict: complex JOINs are on you though, I don't think it supports them
[02:51] teadict: but I don't think others do either so ):
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[02:53] pigeon_: i've just been toying with node.js to make a websocket server, being able to tie my server to my mysql database would be huge plus over flat files
[02:55] teadict: Backbone question if someone's using it: apparently you kill stuff using Model.destroy(), which does a HTTP DELETE.. that means I can use Express's RESTful routes to receive this DELETE and all be happy and nice, right?
[02:55] teadict: pigeon_: use Sequelize if you generally use ORMs, won't be disappointed
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[02:58] yhahn: teadict: yes
[03:00] teadict: yhahn: sweet
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[03:05] panosru: Does anyone used node.js in order to create restfull API and interact with backbone.js? while my API works fine when I do a call from backbone.js to node.js the result is empty but with php it works... :/
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[03:07] teadict: panosru: I just asked this:
[03:07] teadict: Backbone question if someone's using it: apparently you kill stuff using Model.destroy(), which does a HTTP DELETE.. that means I can use Express's RESTful routes to receive this DELETE and all be happy and nice, right?
[03:07] teadict: answer is yes.. should work
[03:08] panosru: teadict: I use express in order to create my API, the strange thing is that when I do a call from backbone on "http://example.com:3000/user/24" I get a 200 ok marked as red in firebug and the response is just empty
[03:09] panosru: teadict: you can see it here: http://o7.no/s7GRyh
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[03:09] panosru: and these are the headers: http://o7.no/s7GRyh seems to be ok... I don't know if I miss something but with php it works fine, I'm just trying node.js
[03:10] teadict: same link twice
[03:10] teadict: I forgot what a red 200 get means in Firebug
[03:10] panosru: ? what do you mean by that? two screenshots, one for headers tab one for response tab url is same ofcourse
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[03:11] panosru: teadict: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2219274/ajax-problem-200-ok-in-firebug-but-red-message-with-no-response-body
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[03:12] panosru: x-domain issue? oO is that possible?
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[03:13] teadict: are you doing cross domain calls?
[03:13] panosru: I'm on http://app-ui.design.rnd and I call http://app-ui.design.rnd:3000
[03:14] teadict: than no
[03:14] teadict: gets me, I dunno
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[03:15] panosru: different port means cross domain
[03:15] teadict: wat, does?
[03:15] teadict: TIL
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[03:15] Aria: Cross-origin, technically
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[03:15] teadict: then use JSONP
[03:15] panosru: but I use jsonp with express
[03:16] panosru: app.enable('jsonp callback');
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[03:18] teadict: is the call geting alright to the server side for that url?
[03:19] teadict: maybe it has to do with url mapping
[03:20] panosru: http-console indicates that the API works fine http://o7.no/udTt8Y
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[03:21] teadict: lawl
[03:22] teadict: does the response get to the client? maybe firebug is being stupid
[03:22] teadict: what does Chrome's tool say?
[03:22] panosru: hmm didn't checked that out! I will try to see if the Model is created in Backbone
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[03:26] panosru: teadict: same thing in chrome and safari and in firefox I tried to console.log if the model exist but it isn't
[03:27] teadict: panosru: ran out of ideas, would ask you to paste code, but off to bed, good luck
[03:27] panosru: good night mate :)
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[03:34] draginx: Is there a way to make a node.js webapp that asks for my login/pass thats tied to my machine's username/pass? (in *nix?)
[03:34] Aria: Yes.
[03:35] Aria: You can bind to PAM, or you can call out to a chkpasswd program.
[03:35] draginx: What kind of a google search would I do to get more info?
[03:35] draginx: hmm
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[03:36] Aria: Or you can authenticate against another daemon that itself talks to PAM modules.
[03:36] Aria: (like saslauthd, which is purpose-built for this, or  against an imapd, or a RADIUS daemon)
[03:36] Aria: The separate daemon approach fits in well with node.
[03:37] draginx: will check out saslauthd :)
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[03:40] Aria: cyrus-sasl is what provides it
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[03:49] teadict: Aria: http://tinyurl.com/7h9fqyt
[03:49] teadict: actually... it never occured to me that could be done
[03:49] Aria: 
ACTION chortles.

[03:50] teadict: doesn't sound safe though
[03:50] Aria: Which?
[03:50] teadict: binding app's users to OS's
[03:50] panosru: teadict I fixed it!
[03:50] teadict: but who cares? HAHAHA
[03:50] panosru: it was x-domain issue indeed
[03:51] teadict: panosru: yes? what happened?
[03:51] teadict: but you were on JSONP
[03:51] teadict: weren't you?
[03:51] panosru: teadict: http://o7.no/vunVUu
[03:51] panosru: yes but still I didn't had Access-Control-Allow-Origin
[03:51] teadict: ahh
[03:51] teadict: great
[03:51] panosru: so COS preventing backbone model to sync
[03:51] panosru: :D
[03:51] panosru: haha
[03:52] panosru: I tend to love node.js
[03:52] panosru: but I have a question, can I replace for instance php with node.js?
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[03:52] teadict: of course... php is just a preprocessor
[03:53] panosru: yes
[03:53] teadict: you can replace php with anything, technically
[03:53] panosru: but practically you can't replace it
[03:53] panosru: I mean.. if you need to use gd lib for example or other stuff
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[03:54] teadict: if you need to do stuff with something that's not supported by node yet, you can always call a script that does it for you in another language
[03:54] panosru: teadict: yeap that's the point, use each tool for it's best purpose :)
[03:54] teadict: from node
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[03:54] teadict: yeah
[03:55] panosru: I replaced already php on web services, for instance I use Axis2 for web-services since php is not strong enough on this part but now that I'm doing R&D on node I'm wondering how it can compete axis2 on restful web-services
[03:56] panosru: as I see node.js does not yet support SOAP
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[03:57] panosru: if I start all my questions I will get banned from the channel so I will keep searching for amqp, erlang and etc :D
[03:57] panosru: I want to apply DDD/CQRS/ES with node :)
[03:57] teadict: php CAN'T be strong on anything distributed or concurrent
[03:57] teadict: by design, it can't
[03:58] teadict: no, node.js doesn't support SOPA and never will
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[04:00] sh1mmer: panosru: there are a couple of SOAP module on Github
[04:01] sh1mmer: although I don't know about completeness
[04:02] teadict: nobody saw what I did there ):
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[04:02] panosru: :D
[04:02] panosru: yeah I saw them
[04:02] panosru: but in any case currently axis2 works fine with SOAP/REST for me
[04:02] panosru: what I will do is I will create same rest API on axis2 for a project I have and for node.js
[04:03] sh1mmer: It's a performance question, often
[04:03] panosru: and I will use node.js as main to see it's performance and if something goes wrong I will fall back to axis2 which is tested
[04:03] sh1mmer: seems like a reasonable approach
[04:04] panosru: it will increase the development time but if you do R&D it happens quite a lot :P
[04:04] jhbot: 'After upgrading to node.js 0.6.7, I have errors saying that my modules cannot be found?' by TIMEX http://stackoverflow.com/q/8875649 (tags: javascript)
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[04:05] draginx: teadict: would htpasswd be better?
[04:06] panosru: draginx: I bet he is already sleeping :D
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[04:06] draginx: o
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[04:12] xeodox: Does anyone know why after upgrading node.js from 5.0 to 6.7,  node seems to not find my modules's modules (eg. "now" module cannot find "socket.io")
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[04:19] xeodox: Does anyone know why after upgrading node.js from 5.0 to 6.7,  node seems to not find my modules's modules (eg. "now" module cannot find "socket.io")
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[04:23] warz: i don't know the technicalities, but i believe right around then that module lookup did change or something. i think the recommended way of doing modules is to install them local to your apps.
[04:23] Success: I made SON on github, Server of Node :)
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[04:23] warz: xeodox, but please, reference "npm faq" about this, because i don't know the technicalities
[04:24] warz: i only know that it did changw
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[04:24] Success: im pro like that, nothing to be proud of node js server is very easy i think
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[04:24] Success: i also made nodi a node js irc bot ( alpha )
[04:25] Success: your proud right?
[04:25] warz: sure.
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[04:28] xeodox: warz: yes, i do install them local on the app
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[04:29] warz: i actually don't even install mine local to my app. they're just somewhere on the same directory path. i run npm install in my directory path, but it puts them higher up. heh.
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[04:30] xeodox: yes
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[04:36] cody--: anyone host on heroku and have seen this error: " Error: Cannot find module 'request'"
[04:37] jhbot: 'Socket.io socket handles' by Phil M http://stackoverflow.com/q/8875797 (tags: javascript, socket.io)
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[04:49] raingrove: has anyone tried embedding node.js in a cocoa/objc or .net/c# app?
[04:50] Lingerance: Why would you?
[04:50] cmr: How would you?
[04:50] Lingerance: You'd either embed v8 or port libuv.
[04:50] raingrove: run as a subprocess and communicate with pipes or something
[04:50] Registered: embed node, or v8 ?
[04:50] raingrove: i'd like to have node standard lib too
[04:51] Lingerance: Then what's the point?
[04:51] Lingerance: Just use nodejs itself
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[04:51] raingrove: cocoa/objc and .net/c# will provide the gui
[04:52] Lingerance: I'd just make them interact with it over TCP.
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[04:52] Lingerance: Making them one thing will just be an ugly mess.
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[05:36] xeodox: I just upgraded to Node.js 0.6.7…is it normal that many modules don't work? (like query, express-expose, emailjs, contextify…)?
[05:36] cmr: xeodox: upgraded from what?
[05:36] xeodox: cmr:  I was using 5.0
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[05:36] xeodox: And then when I upgraded to 6.7, I npm install everything again. a lot of modules fail to install
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[05:38] cmr: xeodox: Hmm, I know that upgrades from 0.4.x will cause problems but I don't know enough about 0.5 to know for sure
[05:38] jhbot: 'Serving a client side a component for my node module with a special file path' by Robert Hurst http://stackoverflow.com/q/8876142
[05:39] xeodox: cmr:  some just fail to install, which is weird
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[05:39] cmr: xeodox: do you know where they are failing to install or why?
[05:39] cmr: Which module and version, I'll test locally
[05:40] xeodox: most are: npm ERR! Failed at the contextify@0.1.0 preinstall script.
[05:40] bacon000: buffertools won't work for me.
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[05:40] bacon000: prereq for emailjs
[05:40] xeodox: bacon000:  emailjs doesn't work for me either…for 0.6.7
[05:41] xeodox: what should we do?
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[05:41] bacon000: *scratches head*
[05:41] cmr: Nope, contextify@0.1.0 works fine here.
[05:41] cmr: On 0.6.7
[05:41] cmr: xeodox: OS?
[05:41] xeodox: cmr:  ubuntu oneric 
[05:42] xeodox: cmr:  does emailjs work for you on 6.7?
[05:42] cmr: xeodox: Please don't omit the leading 0, it is important!
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[05:42] cmr: xeodox: which versino of emailjs?
[05:42] xeodox: oh ok
[05:42] jhbot: 'Node.js: Client-Side Templating v/s Server-Side Templating' by the_archer http://stackoverflow.com/q/8876168 (tags: javascript, jquery, template-engine)
[05:43] xeodox: cmr:  i just did: 'npm install emailjs', and it fails on the buffertools preinstall script
[05:43] xeodox: npm ERR! error installing buffertools@1.0.6
[05:43] xeodox: npm ERR! error installing emailjs@0.2.1
[05:43] xeodox: npm ERR! buffertools@1.0.6 preinstall: `./build-wrapper`
[05:43] cmr: Hm
[05:43] cmr: xeodox: do you have build-essential installed?
[05:43] cmr: (works fine here)
[05:43] xeodox: yes
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[05:43] cmr: xeodox: did you install from source? 
[05:44] xeodox: i installed node.js from source, yea
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[05:44] xeodox: and npm from source too
[05:44] CrawfordComeaux: I found that clearing my module cache resolved a bunch of odd install issues I was having
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[05:45] xeodox: CrawfordComeaux: how do I remove the cache?
[05:45] CrawfordComeaux: sorry...that's probably bad lingo. what I did was remove some globally installed modules
[05:46] xeodox: i don't' have any global modules, it's a fresh install on latest ubuntu
[05:47] bacon000: Windows, here.
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[05:48] cmr: bacon000: how did you install node?
[05:49] bacon000: from the installer on nodejs.org
[05:49] bacon000: not from source.
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[05:50] bacon000: building from source wasn't working for me, due to some kind of certificate problem.  i took a break from figuring it out.
[05:50] cmr: bacon000: Makes sense, since you need a toolchain to compile buffertools
[05:51] xeodox: cmr:  what npm version do you have?
[05:51] bacon000: ah, i see.  i just did "node install emailjs" to see if i could reproduce xeodox's issue.  still too much of a Node noob to know what' sgoing on.
[05:51] cmr: xeodox: 0.6.7
[05:51] cmr: Oh, npm
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[05:51] cmr: 1.1.0-beta-10
[05:51] xeodox: npm@1.1.0 /usr/local/lib/node_modules/npm
[05:51] xeodox: hmm
[05:51] cmr: xeodox: use npm --version
[05:51] xeodox: 1.1.0
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[05:53] xeodox: Could it be the npm problem?
[05:53] xeodox: cmr:  i got a reply from the emailjs author "Works for me. What happens if you try executing `node-waf` at the bash prompt?"
[05:53] xeodox: whats node-waf?
[05:54] cmr: It's a build tool.
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[05:54] xeodox: I don't think I installed that
[05:54] cmr: xeodox: I'm assuming he means from the source tree of emailjs
[05:54] cmr: You installed it with node
[05:55] xeodox: when I run node-waf it says it's not installed
[05:55] cmr: xeodox: how did you install node?
[05:55] xeodox: git clone __ ; ./configure ; make ; sudo make install;
[05:56] cmr: mm
[05:56] cmr: xeodox: You didn't "git checkout v0.6.7" first?
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[05:57] xeodox: no i didn't
[05:57] xeodox: hmmm that's probably why!!
[05:57] cmr: Uninstall node and rebuild after that checkout
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[05:57] xeodox: how do I check my current version? (n is not installing right now)
[05:57] cmr: node --version
[05:57] cmr: But that doesn't show dev versions
[05:58] mjijackson: good evening #node.js!
[05:58] xeodox: $ node --version  v0.7.0-pre
[05:58] xeodox: wow!!
[05:58] cmr: Yeah
[05:58] cmr: xeodox: (git show from the source tree will tell you the current commit as well as the associated notes and diff)
[05:59] xeodox: ahhh
[05:59] xeodox: thanks cmr! i'm going to try this. 
[06:00] deoxxa: wow, coffeescript is pretty ew
[06:00] xeodox: now I gotta make it again…damn it'll take forever on my micro server :D
[06:00] cmr: xeodox: Compile elsewhere and bring in the binary
[06:01] cmr: Either cross compile or setup an identical environment
[06:01] cmr: xeodox: fwiw, the guide at https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Installation tells you how to properly compile from git
[06:01] cmr: Wrote by yours truly ;)
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[06:01] cmr: deoxxa++
[06:01] catb0t: deoxxa now has 1 beer
[06:01] xeodox: thanks :)
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[06:02] deoxxa: i'd never actually had to do anything in coffee before
[06:02] xeodox: cmr:  you wrote this ?
[06:02] deoxxa: but yeah, :(
[06:02] cmr: xeodox: Just the bit about git
[06:02] deoxxa: i just wonder: why do they hate programming
[06:02] deoxxa: how exactly is "isnt" better than "!=="
[06:02] xeodox: cool haha
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[06:04] cmr: deoxxa: I don't mind it, I'm a python guy primarily, but it is inconsistent with Harmony's definition of "isnt", which is identity (like python's is)
[06:04] deoxxa: maybe i'm just disliking it because i kind of got dropped in the middle of some existing code
[06:05] deoxxa: but yeah. not loving it at the moment.
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[06:11] deoxxa: https://github.com/deoxxa/query-engine.npm/commit/b826c1e14824da000498a9c2a412a4e49219216a
[06:12] deoxxa: 
ACTION showers

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[06:13] newguy: who can tell me that it there any schedule about support android platform？Thx
[06:15] deoxxa: newguy: android is linux, node already works on linux. what problems are you facing?
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[06:34] xeodox: After I run "make" on node.js, can I copy the contents of that folder to another server (so that that server won't need to run make again)
[06:34] xeodox: ?
[06:34] cmr: Not necessarily
[06:34] cmr: xeodox: Are they running the same OS (and version, and updated at the same versions of things) and running the same architecture?
[06:35] xeodox: cmr: one is a small ec2 server (32bit ) and the other is a micro 64bit
[06:35] zomg: Maybe, but it would probably be less effort to just compile it again unless you actually have some very specific reason to not do it =)
[06:35] Registered: xeodox: unlikely 
[06:35] cmr: xeodox: is the micro multilib?
[06:35] xeodox: zomg:  micro takes me 45 min
[06:35] zomg: Wow
[06:35] xeodox: cmr:  not sure what that means
[06:35] zomg: No wonder they give those out for free
[06:35] xeodox: micros aren't free :D
[06:35] cmr: xeodox: Then probably not, but worth a shot
[06:36] zomg: Wait, was there some even lower tier than micro?
[06:36] cmr: No
[06:36] Registered: it'll probably take more then 45 min. to figure out why it isn't working :)
[06:36] zomg: I thought it was a micro instance they gave out for free for a year or something?
[06:36] xeodox: well, micro is "free" for like the first year for one server or whatever
[06:36] zomg: Yeah
[06:37] zomg: I'm by no means a guru but maybe you could crosscompile to the arch on the micro using the small one?
[06:37] cmr: Yes, but setting up a cross compiler if you've never done it before is rough.
[06:37] xeodox: I'm a noob- what is "crosscompile"?
[06:37] xeodox: haha
[06:37] zomg: lol
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[06:37] Aria: Or statically link it.
[06:37] Registered: considering that the libraries are prob. different as well
[06:38] Aria: Since linux kernels always can do both, it's the libraries that screw you.
[06:38] xeodox: why do I even have to "make" it anyway…why not just have a compiled version online that I can curl?
[06:38] zomg: Yeah sounds like you just need to compile it then =)
[06:38] cmr: xeodox: It'd have to be statically linked, which is meh.
[06:38] Aria: Or first, try it. 32 bit binary may well work on the 64 bit machine.
[06:38] zomg: Go out to eat lunch or something
[06:38] zomg: If it's 45 min then it's done after that
[06:38] zomg: :D
[06:38] deoxxa: nek minnit
[06:38] Aria: xeodox: Because unix systems vary a lot.
[06:39] xeodox: I see i see
[06:39] zomg: Remember that xkcd strip
[06:39] Registered: exactly, and you can make them in parallel, so its only ~ 20 minutes more, no ?
[06:39] deoxxa: just run ./configure && make! nek minnit!
[06:39] zomg: http://xkcd.com/303/
[06:39] xeodox: hahahahah
[06:39] xeodox: that's hilarous
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[06:41] cmr: xeodox: what is your micro instance running?
[06:41] xeodox: cmr:  Ubuntu 11.10 Oneiric EBS boot  64bit (micro)
[06:41] xeodox: the small one is the same, but 32bit
[06:41] cmr: Oh, in that case, definitely try the binary.
[06:42] xeodox: you mean, scp it?
[06:42] xeodox: lol
[06:42] xeodox: scp the folder over to the 64bit
[06:42] cmr: Sure, if that's how you transfer files
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[06:42] xeodox: ok haha
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[06:42] xeodox: even on the small it takes 15 min though - node.js is freaking huge
[06:43] cmr: It's all of node, and all of v8
[06:43] deoxxa: wut
[06:43] deoxxa: node.js compiles pretty fast
[06:43] deoxxa: considering what it contains
[06:44] deoxxa: try compiling mongodb - then come back and say node.js is huge
[06:44] xeodox: i downloaded the binary of mongodb :D
[06:44] cmr: I use a source-based distro, so I experience the compile times of everything :)
[06:44] deoxxa: is it gentoo
[06:44] cmr: 15 minutes isn't much
[06:44] deoxxa: (lol)
[06:44] cmr: deoxxa: no
[06:44] cmr: exherbo
[06:45] xeodox: fail! It doesn't work i just copied it over -.- haha
[06:45] cmr: xeodox: I think you can use debootstrap to help with the cross compile process, or they might even have one in the repos.
[06:46] RobertWHurst: Hello everyone. Can any of you help me out. I'm trying to bind to a url on an existing server the same way socket.io does to send its client side script. The problem is that when I try to bind my own event handler to the request event The handler of the original server tries to write to the header a second time.
[06:48] chrisdickinson: RobertWHurst: socket.io unbinds the original `request` event listener from the server and saves it.
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[06:49] chrisdickinson: (so basically, the server only has one listener -- your app -- and if your app doesn't decide to respond to the request, it can manually call the original listener)
[06:49] RobertWHurst: Oh... I get it now, Thanks very much chrisdickinson.
[06:49] chrisdickinson: no prob!
[06:50] chrisdickinson: RobertWHurst: I think it's happening here, for reference: https://github.com/LearnBoost/socket.io/blob/master/lib/manager.js#L110
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[06:53] RobertWHurst: so I hold on to the request handler so that if the url doesn't match my special path I can call it?
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[08:05] sqlserverio: So... I'm sure this has been asked about a million times BUT, is anyone doing serious node dev work on windows and if you are how did you get around the waf issues for some of the modules?
[08:06] deoxxa: you don't
[08:06] stagas: sqlserverio: you can't use it
[08:07] sqlserverio: yay! I guess I'll stick to my ubuntu 10.04 server then.
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[08:09] sqlserverio: I've compiled some of the modules in VS but it is a major PITA. Here is hoping that since node is becoming a first class citizen things will get better.
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[08:10] deoxxa: sqlserverio: the current plan is to just avoid compiling as much as possible
[08:11] deoxxa: sqlserverio: basically npm will pull down compiled binary blobs as often as it can
[08:11] uptownben: Just re-installed npm , now I'm getting this: Error: Cannot find module 'tar' , any ideas?
[08:12] sqlserverio: deoxxa:  yeah for the windows folks that is probably for the best. 
[08:12] ryanrolds: Do you have all your dependencies in package.json?
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[08:14] cmr: ryanrolds: Yes
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[08:19] carnau: Is there any way to start a js with forever passing the user that should start the process as argument? I don't want to run it as root.
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[08:25] [AD]Turbo: hola
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[08:33] uptownben: Can anyone point me in the right direction regarding that "Error: Cannot find module 'tar'" issue with npm?
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[08:34] uptownben: can't npm update
[08:34] uptownben: -g
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[08:37] cmr: uptownben: works here :\
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[08:38] uptownben: Yeah, everything was fine until I updated npm and node
[08:38] uptownben: I'm on node 0.6.7 and npm 1.1.0
[08:38] uptownben: any attempt to npm update -g just spits out the "Error: Cannot find module 'tar'"
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[08:39] cmr: uptownben: Are you sure it's not 1.1.0-beta-10?
[08:40] uptownben: I know it WAS 1.1.0-beta-10, I re-installed npm via curl, and now its 1.1.0
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[08:42] cmr: Ah
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[08:43] uptownben: how can re-build npm's utils , etc?
[08:43] uptownben: *I
[08:44] uptownben: or should I just attempt to uninstall it and reinstall
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[08:44] sergiosanche: Hi all
[08:45] sergiosanche: Can you tell me some manual to learn node.js, please?
[08:46] cmr: sergiosanche: There isn't one
[08:46] Lingerance: Just use the API docs.
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[08:48] RobertWHurst: sergiosanche you could try http://www.nodebeginner.org/
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[08:51] uptownben: so I just reinstalled NPM again, via curl, and when I do an npm update -g, I get "npm ERR! error installing tar@0.1.12"
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[08:52] zomg: uptownben: sudo?
[08:52] chjj: uptownben: not sure, but im curious, do you use node-tar for something?
[08:53] chjj: just wondering how stable it is right now
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[08:54] uptownben: this is a test machine, I'm logged in as root
[08:54] uptownben: I don't use node-tar for anything
[08:54] chjj: oh
[08:54] cmr: npm uses it now instead of relying on system tar.
[08:54] chjj: oh wow, isaacs put it into production?
[08:54] chjj: cool
[08:54] cmr: (iirc)
[08:55] cmr: If he hasn't yet, he will be.
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[08:55] uptownben: I am just doing a npm update -g , after installing npm via curl and thats' what I get
[08:55] cmr: uptownben: Why are you installing npm via curl instead of using the one bundled with node?
[08:55] cmr: uptownben: Does it report any more information about the error?
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[08:56] uptownben: first it says error installing tar@0.1.12
[08:56] uptownben: then..
[08:56] uptownben: npm ERR! Error: ENOENT, no such file or directory '/usr/local/lib/node_modules/npm/node_modules/tar/package.json'
[08:57] cmr: uptownben: Does that file exist?
[08:57] uptownben: no, it doesn't 
[08:58] uptownben: the tar dir doesn't exist
[08:58] uptownben: is there a bug in npm install?
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[08:58] cmr: Hm, I don't know.
[08:59] cmr: File an issue on github (or wait until isaacs comes on)
[08:59] uptownben: when I do the npm update -g (after installing via curl) it runs through a list of http gets, and errors out after this: npm http GET https://registry.npmjs.org/tar/0.1.12
[08:59] uptownben: npm http 304 https://registry.npmjs.org/tar/0.1.12
[08:59] cmr: uptownben: just pastebin the entire log of what happens
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[09:08] Margle: uptown girl.
[09:09] cmr: Good song
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[09:53] carnau: Is there any way to start a js with forever passing the user that should start the process as argument? I don't want to run it as root.
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[09:57] AvianFlu: if (process.getuid() === 0) process.setuid(someIntegerThatIsntRoot)
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[09:57] AvianFlu: inside the app
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[10:00] carnau: AvianFlu, ok, many thanks ;-)
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[10:02] rurufufuss: so I'm having an msn convo with someone, and hes saying that whatever node.js has, c# has it
[10:02] rurufufuss: with async io and stuff
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[10:03] rurufufuss: can someone help me construct a comeback line
[10:03] cmr: rurufufuss: "Nodejs has ponies"
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[10:13] munichlinux: how do i find the file type when i read it from the disk? Example text, jpeg, bmp 
[10:14] cmr: munichlinux: Hm, a program for this exists ("file"), I'm not sure if there is a node implementation. You could shell out
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[10:26] carnau: How can I run a js like 'node server.js' with the node_modules folder in a different location? I can't change the require option in my server.js, to specify a relative path. Is there any option to configure the modules path?
[10:27] cmr: carnau: NODE_PATH env var
[10:28] carnau: cmr, Thank you! :-)
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[10:37] CIA-101: node: 03Fedor Indutny 07master * rf1678bf 10/ (lib/http.js test/simple/test-http-max-headers-count.js): 
[10:37] CIA-101: node: http: do not accept headers if limit is exceeded
[10:37] CIA-101: node: * fix limiting when parser was reused
[10:37] CIA-101: node: * fix maxHeadersCount = 0 is ignored ( credit to @koichik )
[10:37] CIA-101: node: * add test-http-max-headers-count.js ( credit to @koichik ) - http://git.io/I2uVHw
[10:37] CIA-101: node: 03Fedor Indutny 07master * r23de339 10/ (lib/querystring.js test/simple/test-querystring.js): querystring: fix maxKeys = 0 is ignored - http://git.io/TFpFgw
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[10:42] robertstuttaford: have 0.7.0-pre installed on ubuntu lucid. now trying to install libxmljs. error: sh: node-waf not found. how do i get node-waf installed? sudo apt-get install nodejs-dev does not work: can't find such a package.
[10:42] robertstuttaford: please help! :-)
[10:43] cmr: robertstuttaford: This issue was reported before, seems to be that dev builds don't have node-waf though I can't confirm. Any particular reason you are using that version and not v0.6.7?
[10:43] cmr: robertstuttaford: How did you install node?
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[10:45] robertstuttaford: i installed from source: git clone (url), ./configure, make, sudo make install
[10:45] robertstuttaford: should i have first checked out a particular tag? i'm getting a feeling that's what i should have done after the clone
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[10:45] cmr: robertstuttaford: Follow the guide at https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Installation for installing from the repos
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[10:45] cmr: (Yes)
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[10:46] robertstuttaford: i also upgraded python to 2.7
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[10:46] cmr: I don't know if that actually affects anything, but it shouldn't as it is backwards compatible with 2.6
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[10:58] deoxxa: what are my options for building a proper terminal interface in node?
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[11:00] cmr: deoxxa: What do you mean by that?
[11:00] Industrial: what are my options for long term investment ?
[11:00] cmr: deoxxa: As in ncurses?
[11:00] deoxxa: ncurses would do the job, yep
[11:00] cmr: There's an ncurses binding somewhere but I haven't used it yet.
[11:00] deoxxa: i've tried mscdex's curses stuff, it was mighty unstable
[11:00] deoxxa: through no fault of his, i'm sure
[11:00] cmr: Yep, that's them :D
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[11:05] deoxxa: hm
[11:05] deoxxa: i've been stuck on one feature of this template engine for like 3 days now
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[11:06] deoxxa: and i'm not entirely happy with how it's turning out
[11:06] cmr: Which one?
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[11:07] deoxxa: template inherhitence and order of preference
[11:07] cmr: And what engine?
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[11:08] deoxxa: the way that i've done the context object makes it really hard to do
[11:08] deoxxa: https://github.com/deoxxa/node-ginger
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[11:08] deoxxa: i think i need to re-think the context object, actually
[11:08] cmr: Ah
[11:08] deoxxa: say you have an index page, inheriting a layout
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[11:09] deoxxa: in the layout you include a header and a footer
[11:09] deoxxa: the layout defines space for a block, "content"
[11:09] deoxxa: in the index page, you define content for that block
[11:09] cmr: Right
[11:09] cmr: (Similar to jinja2, no?)
[11:09] deoxxa: but then you define content in the header and the footer too
[11:09] deoxxa: yep, it's meant to work the same way
[11:09] deoxxa: which "block" should be rendered?
[11:10] deoxxa: and then - if you use parent(), what should parent() be in the header? how about the footer? etc.
[11:10] deoxxa: basically i was thinking the template chain would be a simple line, but it's more of a tree
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[11:13] maritz: is it possible that redisClient.get() (mranney/node-redis) doesn't work properly due to ES5 object.get()? because for some reason when i do .get() i don't receive the key, but if i do mget (with one key) it works. tried debugging into it but for some reason that doesn't work properly in this case.
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[11:20] cmr: deoxxa: it has to be a tree, as soon as you have includes and blocks.
[11:20] deoxxa: yeah, but i thought i could get away with just storing the parent node
[11:20] deoxxa: and not the children
[11:21] deoxxa: like, i thought i would only ever need to traverse up the tree
[11:21] cmr: deoxxa: Why must one programmatically declare their templates anyway?
[11:21] deoxxa: how do you mean?
[11:21] maritz: ok, it was my fault at another point on top of some debugging weirdness.
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[11:21] deoxxa: oh the example code? that's out of date at the moment
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[11:22] deoxxa: that was just my test code while i was getting the parser and stuff working
[11:22] cmr: deoxxa: Still? Dammit! :P
[11:22] deoxxa: heh
[11:22] deoxxa: i implmented an on_not_found thing in the context object
[11:22] cmr: So it does lazy loading?
[11:22] deoxxa: so you can load a template from disk, from a remote location, etc
[11:22] deoxxa: yeah
[11:23] cmr: Nice
[11:23] cmr: That was going to be my other recommendation :)
[11:23] deoxxa: in the browser, that might mean fetching the (compiled or not) template from a server
[11:23] deoxxa: then it'll cache it
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[11:24] cmr: Well, I can't really give any feedback unless I go through and read the codebase and that isn't happening. not at 6am
[11:24] deoxxa: heh
[11:24] deoxxa: that's fair enough
[11:24] deoxxa: i think i have a bit of an idea how to do it anyway
[11:24] deoxxa: i'm sure a good idea will come to me when i least expect it
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[11:31] deoxxa: hm, i guess i still can just go up the tree
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[12:02] bLUEEE: hi there, is their a favoured IDE for node ?
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[12:03] zomg: bLUEEE: don't think there is but WebStorm seems generally well-liked
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[12:05] cmr: Most things are pretty well-liked by whoever uses them :)
[12:05] bLUEEE: thanks zomg. just looking now and seems like it involves some $$$, maybe i should just use textmate or something ?
[12:06] cmr: bLUEEE: just a text editor is fine. vim and emacs are popular and rather powerful
[12:06] bLUEEE: thanks cmr
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[12:08] deoxxa: i use nano
[12:08] deoxxa: haha
[12:08] cmr: deoxxa: Seriously?
[12:08] deoxxa: yes :(
[12:08] cmr: :|
[12:08] deoxxa: i always go "i should learn vim"
[12:09] zomg: bLUEEE: yeah well IDEs generally involve that :D
[12:09] deoxxa: but then i never do
[12:09] zomg: well, unless you want some eclipse based slowpoke
[12:09] zomg: =)
[12:09] Glenjamin: i quite like komodo
[12:09] deoxxa: nano just seems to do what i need
[12:09] deoxxa: i.e. put text in files
[12:09] cmr: deoxxa: Yeah, well, cat does that too
[12:09] deoxxa: this is true!
[12:09] cmr: deoxxa: if you're a video kinda person, nothing better than http://www.derekwyatt.org/vim/vim-tutorial-videos/
[12:10] cmr: he's a real great presenter
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[12:10] deoxxa: hmm
[12:10] deoxxa: that might be a good activity for my plane ride
[12:10] deoxxa: can i download them?
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[12:11] cmr: Yep! Go to the vimeo page for the download link.
[12:11] deoxxa: 
ACTION downloads

[12:12] zomg: Vim <3
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[12:12] cmr: I watched them all and I already knew everything he was saying, he's just fun to watch :)
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[12:12] zomg: I use vim for node stuffs, but we use PhpStorm (which is kinda like WebStorm except with PHP features) at work
[12:12] zomg: Although I use the IdeaVim vim emulator in PhpStorm too =)
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[12:14] cmr: I tried using the vim plugin for visual studio and it just didn't cut it.
[12:14] zomg: Yeah some of the plugins are kinda poor
[12:14] zomg: IdeaVim is ok, but it's kinda buggy at times
[12:14] cmr: I pretty much wanted vim embedded in there, with all the background compilation and stuff.
[12:15] zomg: Still, it's tolerable enough to warrant using it over the standard editor
[12:15] cmr: yeah
[12:15] zomg: That's pretty much how Ideavim works.. You get all the standard editor's features but with vim keybindings
[12:15] cmr: Pretty much the only thing the plugin i tried was movement and simple yank/put.
[12:15] zomg: I just wish it had a few other features and worked a bit more reliably
[12:15] cmr: No registers, no marks, etc.
[12:16] zomg: IdeaVim has registers and marks, most movement things I've tried etc.
[12:16] cmr: Nice
[12:16] zomg: Main things I'm missing is text objects, like di" to delete things inside quotes
[12:18] Industrial: I'm using SublimeText2, which has a nice vim plugin
[12:18] Industrial: which is unfinished but usable
[12:18] Industrial: IDEAVim is really buggy for me
[12:18] zomg: Yeah it is kinda :/
[12:19] Industrial: There is also PIDA, but it seems abandoned (and was never really picked up by a lot of people)
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[12:19] Industrial: I, personally, think a rewrite of the functionality is much better then shoehorning vim into an IDE
[12:20] bLUEEE: also, whats the correct way to install node without installing a lot of other thigns like homebrew etc.. i'd like node, express and npm
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[12:21] chjj: bLUEEE: clone the repo with git and build it yourself, it comes with npm now
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[12:21] chjj: assuming you already have everything required to do that
[12:21] cmr: Industrial: rewrite where?
[12:22] chjj: bLUEEE: otherwise, a package manager would be faster and more painless
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[12:22] bLUEEE: just looked at the site and it has a mac installer.. 
[12:22] chjj: bLUEEE: oh, didnt know that
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[12:23] chjj: well, that works
[12:23] bLUEEE: i think i'll do that.. !
[12:23] Industrial: great!
[12:23] Industrial: cmr: whichever project ?
[12:24] cmr: Industrial: Ah, so eclipse would implement all of vim, visual studio would implement all of vim, etc?
[12:24] bLUEEE: just one other thing, ideally I wanted to install node/express on windows but i read that theres a fair few problems, moreso with express - is it working out for most people if anyone is on windows ?
[12:25] Industrial: bLUEEE: right so. First produce something with node, then worry about things like this.
[12:29] zomg: bLUEEE: it seems node things generally work kinda poorly on windows.. a lot of people have trouble compiling modules etc. (eg. they don't compile on win at all or it's difficult)
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[12:29] bLUEEE: thanks, i'll just run it on the mac or vm linux or something like that
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[12:35] ilon__: i'm having trouble (as it seems) to install less (lesscss.org) thru npm, and later invoke it
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[12:36] ilon__: less seems to install just fine, but when i try to invoke it i get: http://pastie.org/3194718
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[12:36] ilon__: any suggestion as of why this is happening?
[12:36] uptownben: So I'm still having this issue with npm , does the new node install package for UNix contain a version of npm?
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[12:38] zomg: ilon__: if you installed less with -g (eg. globally) you would also need to install it local to your application *without* -g
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[12:42] ilon__: zomg: uh, i dont get the logic behind that, and yes, i am indeed trying to install it globally.
[12:42] zomg: That's how the default require paths work or something like that
[12:42] torvalamo: you can link it instead of reinstalling it locally
[12:43] torvalamo: npm link x
[12:43] ilon__: thats just wrong. :(
[12:43] ilon__: <- new to node
[12:44] torvalamo: the thing is, you can have multiple directories with node apps.. if you install the packages globally and link them, it will only have one instance of each package instead of a thousand different versions
[12:44] ilon__: yeah
[12:44] ilon__: i just wish i didnt have to include that with my app.
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[12:45] torvalamo: people using node are used to installing required packages
[12:45] torvalamo: so dont worry
[12:45] torvalamo: you'll get used to it
[12:45] torvalamo: npm will save your life
[12:46] ilon__: the dependencylist gets rather long only to include less in my app.
[12:46] torvalamo: yes but npm installs less's dependencies for you
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[12:48] ilon__: all i want is a standalone compiler for less, how hard could it be :(
[12:48] jamescarr: ha! I love it when I get contacted for hire by companies that I contribute code via pull requests to their open source projects :)
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[12:49] mmalecki: jamescarr: that's the way I got hired by nodejitsu!
[12:50] deoxxa: jamescarr: nice work!
[12:51] ilon__: torvalamo: i take it there are no way to install and invoke it globally without the need to install it in the local app aswell?
[12:51] jamescarr: yeah, but it's only half the way. last couple offers were wanting someone onsite
[12:51] jamescarr: for me that's hard given I have 2 houses on the market out here :S
[12:51] maritz: ilon__: i fear you'll have to write your own then... not wanting any dependencies is a rather pointless endeavor unless you want to write a lot of code just for fun :D
[12:51] jamescarr: so I'm hoping this offer allows for remote
[12:52] torvalamo: ilon__, no there isn't, unless you add /usr/local/lib/node_modules to node's require lookup
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[12:52] maritz: ilon__: npm install less -g ?!?!
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[12:52] ilon__: maritz: dosnt do the job as it seems, i did that, the module seems to be needed in the local path aswell.
[12:53] ilon__: torvalamo: that was my first thought
[12:53] torvalamo: ilon__, it used to be the case in earlier versions that it was all global
[12:53] ilon__: torvalamo: just thought there might be an option for it, i cant be the first person thinking about it.
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[12:53] torvalamo: so they've moved away from it
[12:53] torvalamo: not "not thought about it"
[12:53] ilon__: torvalamo: bummer.
[12:54] maritz: ilon__: sudo npm install less -g && lessc --version
[12:54] maritz: works fine for me
[12:54] ilon__: maritz: try to do lessc /some/file.less
[12:54] torvalamo: there's the thing with sudo/root too.. you're supposed to be able to install it locally without having root access, which used to be required before
[12:55] maritz: torvalamo: for local installs you don't need sudo if you have write access in the current folder, yes.
[12:55] ilon__: torvalamo: yes, but i do want it installed globally, and be usable without installing it locally aswell.
[12:55] torvalamo: that's what i'm saying, maritz
[12:55] torvalamo: npm used to be global
[12:55] torvalamo: by default
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[12:55] torvalamo: and require sudo
[12:55] torvalamo: not anymore
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[12:56] torvalamo: ilon__, you don't have to install it locally
[12:56] torvalamo: just link it
[12:56] maritz: ilon__: i just tried it with the example from lesscss.org, works fine.
[12:56] ilon__: torvalamo: i still have to add the files to my cvs that way, didnt want that :P
[12:57] torvalamo: you use cvs?
[12:57] Glenjamin: just ignore the node_modules folder
[12:57] maritz: ilon__: you don't need the local install. global works fine
[12:57] ilon__: Glenjamin: then the other developers would have errors.
[12:57] maritz: and as Glenjamin said you should ignore node_modules anyway
[12:57] maritz: ilon__: add it as a dev dependency in your package.json and let other devs do "npm install . --dev"
[12:58] Glenjamin: the other devs can just npm install
[12:58] ilon__: `lessc -v` works, but as soon as i try to call it with a filename it fails.
[12:58] maritz: in what way?
[12:59] ilon__: maritz: http://pastie.org/3194718
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[12:59] ilon__: lessc -v prints its version and all.
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[13:00] ilon__: O.o
[13:00] ilon__: strange..
[13:00] deoxxa: > i still have to add the files to my cvs
[13:00] deoxxa: wow
[13:01] ilon__: it SEEMS its my actual .less file causing the problem.
[13:01] ilon__: > i still try to be polite on internet
[13:01] ilon__: wow.
[13:01] Glenjamin: anyway, if you want dependencies bundled, then adding them to version control is the correct approach
[13:02] Glenjamin: the global npm directory isn't on the path for require by default
[13:02] ilon__: maritz: you'r absolutely correct, seems it DOES work just doing npm install -g, seems to be my less that breaks the parser, which dosnt throw a correct error.
[13:02] maritz: devDependencies are better imho
[13:03] maritz: ilon__: on the other hand: i can't require it either. plus i don't see it in npm ls -g and can't uninstall it. something is weird here. :D
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[13:04] ilon__: maritz: it was the error with require that made me thought i couldnt install it globally and then use it wherever i had to, so it seems i got two problems, one with my less code and one with the installation of less. :)
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[13:18] HardFu: what's the most optimal way to register a callback from a stream I get from a socket. I can send a request, and get a response - but the response is not immediate, I can get other stuff in, then the reply (which has a number 321 in it - for example)
[13:19] HardFu: blah, blah, blah, 321, blah - or - blah, 321, blah, blah :)
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[13:34] CIA-101: node: 03Fedor Indutny 07master * r03e689f 10/ lib/util.js : 
[13:34] CIA-101: node: Revert "util: always display a warning for module in debug mode"
[13:34] CIA-101: node: This reverts commit df62005ece4bb0be0d5af645fd9093b1506ce63d. - http://git.io/e8URaw
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[13:43] HardFu: anyone knows the best way to extract words from a string that can contain any number of words and also other character for example a bash command
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[13:46] cmr: HardFu: A regex, sounds like
[13:46] HardFu: hm
[13:46] HardFu: it'll need to be a quite complex one
[13:46] cmr: That's how regexps tend to roll
[13:46] HardFu: yea :)
[13:47] deoxxa: string.split(" ")
[13:47] deoxxa: ?
[13:47] deoxxa: cmr: what are you doing still up
[13:48] HardFu: find . -r -type f -exec grep -ril "abc" {} \;
[13:48] cmr: deoxxa: I know, I'm terrible
[13:48] HardFu: this is an example
[13:48] deoxxa: heh
[13:48] cmr: I get distracted, and I don't fall asleep easy. Watching Doug Crockford give a talk :P
[13:49] HardFu: i would only like; [find, type, exec, grep, ril, abc] for example
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[13:49] deoxxa: string.match(/([a-z][a-z]+)/)
[13:50] CIA-101: libuv: 03Fedor Indutny 07master * re7758e1 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
[13:50] CIA-101: libuv: unix: remove eio_set_max_poll_reqs
[13:50] CIA-101: libuv: * added test - http://git.io/7SU0OQ
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[13:50] deoxxa: welcome to the exciting world of regexes
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[13:50] HardFu: hm, thanx
[13:50] deoxxa: may $DEITY be with you
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[14:06] uptownben: So just installed node via the downloadable package (./configure, make, make install), and when I do an npm update -g, I still get : npm ERR! Error: ENOENT, no such file or directory '/usr/local/lib/node_modules/npm/node_modules/tar/package.json'
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[14:07] uptownben: can't get past the tar installation when I perform an npm update -g
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[14:10] Glenjamin: upgrade system tar
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[14:13] cmr: uptownben: Are you on 0.6.7 now?
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[14:22] creationix: Come play tcp chat at creationix.com:1337 (rlwrap and nc works well)
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[14:22] creationix: identify with "/ident username"
[14:22] sqlserverio: I see lots of projects using redis for session management and mongodb for everything else. Why would I want to use redis for session if I already have mongo up and running?
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[14:31] robinduckett: creationix: No one chatting or am I alone?
[14:32] creationix: robinduckett: noone is chatting
[14:32] creationix: oh well
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[14:32] robinduckett: creationix: can you see what I'm sending?
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[14:35] deoxxa: hooray!
[14:35] deoxxa: i think i got the template inheritence stuff sorted out
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[14:37] deoxxa: so yeah, defining block content in non-extending templates is now undefined behaviour
[14:37] deoxxa: 
ACTION is happy

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[14:40] deoxxa: introduced some pretty crazy inefficient stuff... will need to sort that out later
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[14:41] sqlserverio: deoxxa: yeah I'm doing the same thing right now moving to block and extends 
[14:41] deoxxa: what are you using? what library?
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[14:44] sqlserverio: express and jade https://github.com/visionmedia/screenshot-app is a really good example of how clean and DRY blocks and extends can be
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[14:44] deoxxa: oh i know
[14:44] deoxxa: i'm writing a templating library
[14:45] deoxxa: i'm implementing the block/extend thing, not using it :P
[14:45] sqlserverio: lol shows you where I'm at.
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[15:06] deoxxa: hooray
[15:06] deoxxa: updated that readme finally
[15:08] jamescarr: hmmm... is there any tools to facilitate testing express routes?
[15:08] jamescarr: in mocha?
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[15:08] yawNO: deoxxa: link me the repo
[15:08] deoxxa: https://github.com/deoxxa/node-ginger
[15:09] yawNO: thx
[15:09] deoxxa: there's still a lot of rough edges...
[15:09] deoxxa: it's getting nicer to use though
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[15:09] deoxxa: probably about time to put together a demo
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[15:10] yawNO: deoxxa: looks neat
[15:10] cmr: Show off clientside templates too
[15:10] cmr: Or do you not do that?
[15:10] cmr: I recall you doing that
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[15:10] deoxxa: cmr: definitely, it's designed to work on both sides of the application
[15:10] yawNO: even though i like templating that saves you time
[15:10] yawNO: jade haml etc
[15:10] cmr: yawNO: I like templating that looks like what my end result will be
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[15:10] deoxxa: i just like twig
[15:10] deoxxa: haha
[15:11] yawNO: cmr: different tastes i suppose :)
[15:11] deoxxa: yawNO: the main thing is that i'm not just outputting HTML with mine
[15:11] yawNO: crap.. i've got stomach ache
[15:11] deoxxa: i'm going to be using it at work for email templates and config files too
[15:11] cmr: yawNO: I pretty much write what I'm going to end up with while I'm prototyping anyway, so I like things like jinja and weld and plates.
[15:11] yawNO: deoxxa: i see
[15:12] yawNO: cmr: my idea is.. the faster i code, the more i have fun
[15:12] yawNO: that's why i stick w/ coffeescript && jade
[15:12] yawNO: :P
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[15:14] Aikar: i prefer real coffee, and normal JS :P
[15:14] Aikar: less sleep = same amount of code written!
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[15:14] cmr: Jade would slow me down. I already have my prototype, why translate the existing html to some ugly non-html html
[15:15] Aikar: cmr: hey not all non htmls are ugly, nova is awesome :P
[15:15] yawNO: for the same reason i use cs instead of js :P
[15:15] Aikar: http://github.com/aikar/nova
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[15:15] Aikar: still "html like"
[15:15] yawNO: lol Aikar 
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[15:15] Aikar: https://github.com/aikar/nova/blob/master/examples/templates/template.js
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[15:16] yawNO: Aikar: i like it
[15:17] yawNO: still .. it looks like Lisp :P 
[15:17] Aikar: dont insult it like that :(
[15:17] yawNO: PARENTHESES EVERYWHERE
[15:17] yawNO: :( sry
[15:17] yawNO: i could port it to sammyjs
[15:17] cmr: yawNO: who doesn't like creating the syntax tree for the compiler?
[15:17] yawNO: i'm looking for a cool templating engine
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[15:17] yawNO: mustache sucks
[15:17] cmr: I like plates. Weld is alright.
[15:17] Aikar: it works well, just i suck at documenting and im not satisfied that my docs are really good enough, so i havent openly pushed it
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[15:18] yawNO: haml fails in sammy
[15:18] yawNO: i could port it maybe
[15:18] Aikar: i use it at work (nova)
[15:18] yawNO: does it work clientside?
[15:18] Aikar: it could... but not really
[15:18] yawNO: uhm
[15:18] Aikar: i ported it to run on that jsperf site
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[15:19] Aikar: but that was hax to combine the files etc
[15:19] yawNO: i was hoping it was just a matter of wrapping it :P
[15:19] deoxxa: ginger works client side D:
[15:19] Aikar: yeah its not unheard of, it can be made to (hell pullreq accepted if you want to do it :P), just i havent had time to do it
[15:19] Aikar: I want to change a few things first though
[15:19] Aikar: ie switch the callbacks to match node style of fn(err, res)
[15:19] yawNO: sry deoxxa but i like non html :P
[15:20] deoxxa: sounds more like you like only html
[15:20] Aikar: so it can then be used with like streamline
[15:20] yawNO: nop
[15:20] yawNO: haml and jade are kewl
[15:20] deoxxa: yep, for html
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[15:20] yawNO: so is nova at a first glaance
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[15:20] deoxxa: as soon as you want to do anything other than html it's gonna be tricky :P
[15:20] fantastikibne: hi
[15:21] yawNO: Aikar: i gotta prepare some slides for a conf
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[15:21] Aikar: if i switch CB style, can then do, var html = nova('tpl/foo.js', _).render({foo: 'bar'}, _);
[15:21] Glenjamin: powerpoint / keynote are fine
[15:21] yawNO: push some new code and then i'll see what i can do for nova
[15:21] Aikar: with streamline
[15:21] Glenjamin: good slides contain either 1 large picture, or 1 large sentence
[15:21] Aikar: lol Glenjamin 
[15:21] yawNO: if i can of course :(
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[15:21] yawNO: i haven
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[15:22] Glenjamin: i don't go to a talk to read the slides, i go to listen to the speaker :)
[15:22] yawNO: 't really worked on big node projects lol
[15:22] fantastikibne: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=U19XAjam it could 2 request per second ? why so slow
[15:22] Aikar: if i can remember to ill try to update it to switch CB style tonight... I dont like working on personal projects during work day :s
[15:22] fantastikibne: sorry not 2 request per second , 2 requests in 7 second
[15:22] yawNO: Glenjamin: gotta benchmark stuff
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[15:22] cmr: fantastikibne: because you don't indent your code, so it rebels
[15:22] yawNO: that's the issue
[15:23] yawNO: Aikar: yeah, i understand .. np :)
[15:23] deoxxa: fantastikibne: can you perhaps make that harder to read?
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[15:23] cmr: fantastikibne: why are you using eval?
[15:23] fantastikibne: cmr: for read settings
[15:23] fantastikibne: deoxxa: its enough hard :D
[15:24] deoxxa: that was my point.
[15:24] cmr: fantastikibne: Use "require('ayer')"
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[15:24] cmr: s/ayer/ayar/
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[15:24] cmr: With a var in there
[15:24] Aikar: yawNO: I just suck at english, so I feel my docs on trying to understand how nova works are TOO technical.... it reads in my mind cause I created it, but I dont know how well it reads to others
[15:25] Aikar: I write it too technical :P
[15:25] yawNO: Aikar: i'm italian
[15:25] Aikar: oh im only english, I just suck at it :P 
[15:25] yawNO: so english isn't my mother language
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[15:25] Aikar: well, more specifically I suck at grammar
[15:25] yawNO: don't worry :P .. i'll manage to understand it somehow
[15:26] Aikar: I wish someone whos smart enough to read it to understand it, can then rewrite it in a more easier to understand way
[15:27] fantastikibne: 100 request in 19 seconds :/ still very slow
[15:27] yawNO: uhm
[15:27] yawNO: fantastikibne: made me wonder
[15:27] Aikar: the basic point of it is theres a specific JS object style that nova interprets, of {tagname: [{attributes}, [childrennodes]] where children nodes can be the exact same thing, and its smart to figure out what you mean when you dont use that exact format. and then there is function tags like span('Foo') that translates down into the object style, so you have cleaner code
[15:27] yawNO: how do you guys benchmark apis?
[15:28] yawNO: okay
[15:28] yawNO: Aikar: looks fairly easy to use
[15:28] sriley: httpload?
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[15:29] Aikar: pretty much is, its just need to know the style to avoid gotchas. also understanding how to use dynamic data with onRender
[15:29] Aikar: nova is async, you could write DB queries directly in the template
[15:29] Aikar: not that i recommend it...
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[15:29] Aikar: just, its possible :P
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[15:33] dscape: anyone knows how to add someone to my npm module so he can also publish new versions of it?
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[15:34] mmalecki: dscape: npm owner add user module
[15:34] mmalecki: I thik
[15:34] mmalecki: *think
[15:34] dscape: thanks mmalecki 
[15:34] mmalecki: or the other way, module user
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[15:36] dscape: you were right btw        npm owner add <user> <package name>
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[15:42] fantastikibne: not sure why but at windows 2003 server environment paths doesnt work so nodejs modules doesnt work too :/ any fix?
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[15:44] jamescarr: ugh
[15:44] jamescarr: I think I fell into a trap
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[15:44] jamescarr: maybe I shouldn't try to test drive all the routes in this tutorial
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[15:44] jamescarr: at the same time, I'm trying to instill good dev practices :S
[15:44] swajr: the house kills SOPA: http://www.examiner.com/computers-in-denver/house-kills-sopa
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[15:48] ilon__: swajr: nice one, have missed that.
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[15:53] fantastikibne: https.get is very slow 100 calls at 20 seconds so it will take 14 days to make 6m api calls :/
[15:54] fantastikibne: wasn't it async
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[15:54] cmr: fantastikibne: Link again?
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[15:55] joshsmith: okay, I am probably being an idiot
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[15:55] fantastikibne: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ED0TThH9
[15:55] joshsmith: but I'm POSTing to an Express router
[15:55] joshsmith: and I'd like to send back a JSON response
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[15:55] joshsmith: typical callback(err, result)
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[15:56] joshsmith: how do I actually send that response rather than just render something?
[15:56] xtianw: joshsmith: res.json()
[15:56] joshsmith: res.send() or res.json?
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[15:57] joshsmith: thanks xtianw 
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[15:58] fantastikibne: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=4TvPDb7X jsbeautifier.org rulaz :p
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[16:01] joshsmith: how do I do jsonp with res.json()?
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[16:03] maritz: joshsmith: you don't
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[16:03] pauls1: anyone know what's up with this dnode installation issue? https://github.com/isaacs/npm/issues/2042
[16:04] joshsmith: um it says: jsonp callback Enable res.send() / res.json() transparent jsonp support
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[16:04] maritz: btw: you should be able to use res.send() with json as well, it should auto-detect json and use the proper methods.
[16:05] maritz: really? sorry, i just assumed :D
[16:05] xtianw: Yeah
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[16:05] xtianw: I assume app.enable('jsonp callback')
[16:05] xtianw: Never used it before
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[16:06] maritz: joshsmith: you're right
[16:06] maritz: https://github.com/visionmedia/express/blob/master/lib/response.js#L152
[16:06] maritz: so, basically if you enable it and the request contains callback: 'somefunctionname', the response will automatically be wrapped as jsonp
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[16:07] maritz: yeah, what xtianw++ said
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[16:12] fantastikibne: how can i set maxsockets for http/s requests?
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[16:12] fantastikibne: max requests at same time?
[16:12] fantastikibne: its set to 5 as default i think
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[16:15] Aria: Twiddle the default agent, or create another.
[16:16] joshsmith: alright thanks maritz and xtianw 
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[16:19] uptownben: Man, I can't figure out what the problem is.
[16:19] Aria: What sort of problem, uptownben?
[16:19] uptownben: I reinstalled node, and when I do a npm update e-g, I get errors
[16:20] Aria: what errors?
[16:20] uptownben: npm update -g
[16:20] uptownben: npm ERR! Error: Cannot find module 'tar'
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[16:20] uptownben: is there a bug in the latest node tarball?
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[16:22] Brandon_R: hey guys
[16:22] Brandon_R: what's up and good
[16:22] Brandon_R: libuv rocks
[16:22] yawNO: Brandon_R: clouds?
[16:22] Aikar: a sock
[16:22] mansoor: You know whts the hardest part of writing software?
[16:23] mansoor: coming up with a name for it <_<
[16:23] Brandon_R: writing documentation
[16:23] yawNO: the keyboard?
[16:23] Brandon_R: haha yeah
[16:23] Brandon_R: i know a good way to name things
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[16:23] mansoor: ohh?  do go on
[16:23] Brandon_R: choose hipster social network names
[16:23] Brandon_R: like floggle
[16:23] mansoor: HAHAHA
[16:23] Brandon_R: or smucher
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[16:23] mansoor: I'm not cool enough to be a hipster
[16:24] uptownben: keep getting this when I try npm update (with or without -g): http://pastebin.com/ct55FCXu
[16:24] mansoor: and I don't own a mac :( so they won't let me in their club
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[16:24] Brandon_R: do you have tar installed?
[16:25] maritz: mansoor: http://www.dotomator.com/web20.html :D
[16:25] uptownben: tar.js?
[16:26] mansoor: maritz++ :D 
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[16:26] sqlserverio: tar the program. 
[16:26] maritz: xD
[16:26] uptownben: I just re-installed node via the later 0.6.7 tar ball for unix
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[16:26] uptownben: *latest
[16:26] sqlserverio: check your install and see if the symlink to tar got hosed or if tar got removed some how.
[16:27] jamescarr: dammit... there needs to be a channel for twitter bootstrap
[16:27] mansoor: jamescarr: have you tried #css?
[16:27] jamescarr: guess I could, they'll probably yell at me :)
[16:28] Brandon_R: that's a good website but it would be better if it auto checked the avaliability of those domains
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[16:28] pauls1: anyone good with npm and have a minute? I don't know why this error is occurring and it's preventing me from going live… hope someone can help. https://github.com/isaacs/npm/issues/2042
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[16:28] mansoor: Brandon_R: it does that if you click the check availabilty buttonm
[16:28] uptownben: the tar command exists, but I think its referring to a tar module not the tar command
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[16:32] shanebo: hey guys, I have a really strange occurrence with fs.readdirSync between a linux box and my MBP, namely, on the linux box it doesn't order the directories properly in the array whereas Lion does. Any ideas?
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[16:32] cmr: shanebo: What order should there be?
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[16:33] shanebo: alphabetical, like a typical file directory
[16:33] shanebo: cmr ˆˆ
[16:33] tjfontaine: http://linux.die.net/man/2/readdir doesn't mention anything about order
[16:33] cmr: shanebo: That order isn't guaranteed at /all/
[16:34] tjfontaine: at least not by the posix standard
[16:34] shanebo: cmr, woah, I had no idea
[16:34] uptownben: Why would this be missing in a new node install (re-compile)? /usr/local/lib/node_modules/npm/lib/utils/tar.js
[16:34] cmr: Nor should you depend on it.
[16:35] tjfontaine: http://linux.die.net/man/3/scandir otoh
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[16:35] fernandezpablo85: guys, I'm running latest node from source
[16:35] fernandezpablo85: and I'm getting:
[16:35] fernandezpablo85: Trace: http.Client is a legacy interface and will be removed in the near future. Do not use it.
[16:35] fernandezpablo85: googled it but I don't see what's the alternative
[16:36] shanebo: cmr, so I need to run a sort on the array?
[16:36] fernandezpablo85: is there a list of deprecated apis?
[16:36] cmr: Doesn't look like Node implements scandir
[16:36] augustl: fernandezpablo85: http.request
[16:36] cmr: shanebo: Why do you need it to be sorted?
[16:36] augustl: fernandezpablo85: http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/http.html#http.request
[16:36] shanebo: cmr i need it in alphabetical order for override purposes
[16:36] cmr: shanebo: then yes, sort it
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[16:37] tjfontaine: scandir just does the right thing with qsort before giving you the results, it's nothing particularly special
[16:37] fernandezpablo85: augustl: So the problem is on the http.createClient line right?
[16:37] fernandezpablo85: that's what is causing the deprecation warning
[16:37] fernandezpablo85: ?
[16:37] augustl: fernandezpablo85: you shouldn't use http.createClient :)
[16:37] augustl: it's not even documented
[16:37] fernandezpablo85: augustl: I will remove it now
[16:37] uptownben: anyone know of a quick way to completely remove node and npm so I can re-install to try to resolve this issue
[16:37] uptownben: ?
[16:37] shanebo: cmr, tjfontaine what a hassle.
[16:38] cmr: fernandezpablo85: http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/http.html
[16:38] fernandezpablo85: thanks @augustl and @cmr !
[16:38] cmr: irccloud does that way too often
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[16:38] tjfontaine: shanebo: welcome to: do one thing, do it well, also it takes care of the issue of people wanting "MY COALLATION"
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[16:39] Aikar: irccloud should clearly be written in node.js
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[16:39] tjfontaine: cmr: apparently it only happens with freenode, I rarely see those mass disconnects on oftc
[16:39] augustl: wow, sup with irccloud
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[16:39] Aikar: augustl: does it nearly daily
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[16:40] cmr: I wonder why node doesn't expose scandir
[16:41] tjfontaine: cmr: most likely because of the fnptr filtering
[16:41] cmr: mm
[16:41] tjfontaine: cmr: or perhaps not portable enough, unclear
[16:41] cmr: yeah, posix.1-2008, pretty recent.
[16:42] cmr: But 4.3bsd too... *shrugs*
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[16:43] shanebo: tjfontaine, cmr, seems like node would standardize behavior across all environments though?
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[16:44] tjfontaine: shanebo: unlikely, you're looking for a behavior that is at best undefined
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[16:44] cmr: shanebo: meh, fs module is pretty lowlevel.
[16:44] cmr: And nodejs core has a really minimalistic policy.
[16:45] cmr: shanebo: So, either use the sorted module or write one :)
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[16:46] shanebo: tjfontaine, cmr while I agree in principal, people are interfacing with node, not linux or unix directly. Meaning it seems reasonable that the node interface between the lower level would be consistent.
[16:46] tjfontaine: shanebo: that's not an excuse to not know how your platform works imo
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[16:47] stride: it is consistent in that it returns a set of files in an array
[16:48] garrensm_: anyone looking for nodejs/javascript freelancers?
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[16:48] shanebo: tjfontaine I shouldn't have know the differences between readdir on a unix box and a linux box. Because I'm writing js via _node's_ api. :D
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[16:48] maritz: garrensm_: good luck. :)
[16:48] tjfontaine: shanebo: submit an issue that notes that the order is undefined across platforms :)
[16:49] tjfontaine: I would even suggest across calls
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[16:49] garrensmith: lol thnx maritz, you doing the couchdb/erlang course 
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[16:49] maritz: garrensmith: the what?
[16:50] garrensmith: maritz: never mind then :-)
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[16:50] maritz: i've never written a line of erlang or couchdb. :D
[16:50] fantastikibne: http://pastebin.com/31YR9b2T 50 requests in 10 seconds very slow :(
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[16:51] maritz: fantastikibne: wtf is hata? :D
[16:51] fantastikibne: hata means error in turkish
[16:51] maritz: WHY U NO WRITE ENGLISH?
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[16:52] fantastikibne: because its not a public code i will use it personally :/
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[16:52] zomg: I write all my code in english even if I never plan to publish it (not native speaker either)
[16:52] maritz: well, sorry but i don't really wanna read that if i have to think hard to see what is supposed to be what.
[16:52] maritz: zomg: yeah, me too.
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[16:52] zomg: It just makes more sense. Finnish terminology for code is moronic
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[16:58] fantastikibne: ok i will translate and re-upload
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[17:02] fantastikibne: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=f6mQzqfG
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[17:06] cmr: fantastikibne: that has to be some of the ugliest code I've seen :(
[17:07] cmr: fantastikibne: Don't use fs.writeSync
[17:07] cmr: Are there any profilers for node?
[17:07] cmr: I think fantastikibne could use one..
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[17:07] tjfontaine: dear god that log(){} function, so painful
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[17:08] fantastikibne: i just commented log func
[17:08] fantastikibne: so without it it takes 10 seconds for 50 requests
[17:08] bnoordhuis: cmr: `node --prof`, check out node-profiler's nprof script
[17:08] maritz: fantastikibne: i think your main problem might be the facebook servers throttling your requests or being too slow.
[17:08] bnoordhuis: cmr: but i suspect it was a rhetorical question :)
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[17:09] CIA-101: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r71f6c0e 10/ (16 files in 6 dirs): 
[17:09] CIA-101: libuv: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/v0.6'
[17:09] CIA-101: libuv: Conflicts:
[17:09] CIA-101: libuv:  src/win/util.c - http://git.io/kIhznQ
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[17:10] tjfontaine: fantastikibne: why are you specifying the ip of the webserver? dns load balancing is used for a reason
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[17:10] fantastikibne: tjfontaine: i dont want nodejs lose time with dns requests
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[17:11] fantastikibne: i already know the ip :p
[17:11] tjfontaine: fantastikibne: you are fighting the wrong battles
[17:11] cmr: fantastikibne: Don't worry about it...
[17:11] cmr: fantastikibne: go use https://github.com/mape/node-profile, find out what the bottleneck is
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[17:11] maritz: bnoordhuis: is --prof documented somewhere on nodejs.org? didn't find it right now.
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[17:12] cmr: maritz: in the man page
[17:12] maritz: cmr: oh, ok. thanks :)
[17:12] cmr: I suspect it's a v8 option, could be wrong
[17:12] bnoordhuis: maritz: `node --v8-options` will print help
[17:12] maritz: fantastikibne: i would suggest first querying a dummy server you create to make sure it's not facebook that is cockblocking you :P
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[17:13] maritz: cool, thanks
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[17:13] fantastikibne: i can make 100x faster  requests to local server :/
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[17:13] tjfontaine: yes, the internet is not local
[17:14] maritz: holy shit, you can enable harmony stuff in nodejs just by option flag? awesome :)
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[17:14] Aikar: maritz: note, means you cant use it in shared libraries yet :P
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[17:15] maritz: Aikar: i'm not sure what you mean, especially with the first part of your sentence :D
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[17:16] Aikar: maritz: if you write code that is designed to be an npm module, you cant rely on harmony features cause most people wont be running node with the flags
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[17:17] maritz: Aikar: yeah, i know. but it's awesome to do some fun experiments with harmony :)
[17:18] Aikar: ill be happy when its default on
[17:18] Aikar: proxies would be nice
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[17:35] mmalecki: isaacs: hey
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[17:35] mmalecki: isaacs: or wait, you're in #travis as well, it's more relevant there ;)
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[17:44] Apathetic: would node.js work in a browser with javascript disabled? xD
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[17:45] yawNO: Apathetic: yes
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[17:46] uptownben: I'm stuck, can't figure out why npm is giving me this error after a node re-install: npm ERR! error installing tar@0.1.12
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[17:48] ryanrolds_w: What version of node?
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[18:01] Apathetic: i'm successfully installed node.js on my windows pc with the installer provided in the website, now what's next?
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[18:01] Aikar: Apathetic: code
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[18:07] yawNO: Aikar: really?
[18:07] yawNO: i would never have thought so
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[18:10] Aikar: yawNO: what do you mean?
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[18:11] yawNO: Aikar: Apathetic: code
[18:11] yawNO: made me laugh irl lol
[18:11] Aikar: (not sure if your making a sarcastic reply to my 'code' comment, or replying to my statement about defaulting and proxies)
[18:11] Aikar: lol
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[18:11] yawNO: nice reply
[18:11] yawNO: i'm having quite a bad tome w/ mongoose
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[18:12] yawNO: no time to read everything
[18:12] yawNO: :P
[18:12] yawNO: *time
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[18:14] mansoor: :O  there are more people in #node than in #javascript interesting 
[18:14] yawNO: because we're preparing an invasion
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[18:14] mansoor: :D
[18:14] yawNO: we shall defeat clientside js
[18:14] yawNO: and bring ssjs goodness to the world
[18:14] torvalamo: oh god
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[18:14] mansoor: #jquery has 928 users
[18:14] yawNO: FOR THE WORLD!
[18:15] yawNO: crap ;_;
[18:15] yawNO: you've just ruined my day
[18:15] mansoor:  :(
[18:15] yawNO: thank you mansoor 
[18:15] westc: :(
[18:15] torvalamo: but the people in jquery aren't using javascript
[18:15] yawNO: still 7.15 pm
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[18:15] mansoor: YESS!! torvalamo++
[18:15] torvalamo: just like people who use coffeescript don't use javascript
[18:15] yawNO: not really much left to fuin
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[18:15] cjm: NodeUp:11 is up, a deep dive into databases with mranney nunojob dshaw mikeal and izs! Get it here, http://nodeup.com/eleven
[18:15] yawNO: torvalamo: i use cs :(
[18:15] yawNO: and js :)
[18:16] yawNO: but mainly cs :(
[18:16] torvalamo: i use only js
[18:16] mansoor: yawNO: coffeescript is the devil's spawn
[18:16] torvalamo: not because i love it, but because i hate abstractions
[18:16] yawNO: Y U PURIST
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[18:16] yawNO: mansoor: no it's not
[18:16] mansoor: torvalamo: what kind of abstractions?
[18:16] cjm: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3471287
[18:16] torvalamo: jquery, etc
[18:16] yawNO: it's world's most misunderstood programming lang
[18:16] torvalamo: bad example
[18:17] yawNO: wait that's js but works anyway ^_^
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[18:17] mansoor: torvalamo: they are good, if you don't want to start from scratch every little project
[18:17] yawNO: i hate jQuery
[18:17] mansoor: they arne't good for learning, but for actually building stuff they are exellent
[18:17] yawNO: ruins js
[18:17] torvalamo: you know you can reuse code
[18:17] yawNO: *it
[18:17] Aikar: how does jquery ruin js?
[18:17] Aikar: and cs doesnt?
[18:17] yawNO: because
[18:17] torvalamo: you don't have to start from scratch if you're making something that's similar to what you've done before
[18:17] mansoor: torvalamo: and what are abstractions then if not reuse of code? :)
[18:17] teadict: cs?
[18:18] teadict: oh
[18:18] yawNO: cs is a language that compiles INTO js
[18:18] teadict: yes, coffee
[18:18] teadict: I hate it
[18:18] Aikar: and JQ is JS
[18:18] torvalamo: mansoor, one thing is abstraction across projects, but abstracting something that you only need once in a project is pointless
[18:18] yawNO: jQuery is a runtime lib
[18:18] torvalamo: and the definition of bloat
[18:18] mansoor: jquery is what gave javascript a second life in the "web 2.0" phase
[18:18] yawNO: so
[18:18] markq: I ONLY use MochaScript
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[18:18] mansoor: torvalamo: ofcourse that would be silly
[18:18] yawNO: all the checks it has to do to preserve crossbrowser
[18:18] Aikar: jquery is pretty much the same concept of node_modules, are you against using libraries in general?
[18:18] torvalamo: i use torvalamoscript
[18:18] torvalamo: it's full of bad code
[18:18] yawNO: it slows a lot
[18:19] yawNO: plus
[18:19] mansoor: jquery slows? :O
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[18:19] teadict: "Oh, I'm a pythonista, but OMG! I need to write a website! WHAT WILL I DO?! No way I'm learning JS like I should, it's too weirdish looking.. nuh huh, I'm gonna build a motherfucking js generator with python! YEAH!"
[18:19] mansoor: if anyting its speeds you up
[18:19] Aikar: yawNO: its a required sacrifice for working in in a web industry
[18:19] mansoor: unless you are a clientside JS ninja
[18:19] markq: sometimes I have to switch over to ExpressoScript though
[18:19] mansoor: its highly optomized 
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[18:19] Aikar: the only option is to just not support IE
[18:19] torvalamo: no, use libraries, that's fine.. libraries have a function.. jquery doesn't have a function other than making js look nicer and does extra shit you don't need
[18:19] yawNO: Aikar: but my point is mainly another
[18:19] mansoor: torvalamo:  :O have you done much clientside developement?
[18:19] yawNO: jQuery is a whole new language
[18:20] torvalamo: yesh
[18:20] yawNO: still
[18:20] teadict: jquery keeps winning because it has a lot of plugins that do shit automagically
[18:20] Aikar: no its not
[18:20] yawNO: it pretends to be JS
[18:20] Aikar: its javascript
[18:20] teadict: jquery's core is nothing more than underscore
[18:20] mansoor: jquery ises imderscpre
[18:20] mansoor: ?
[18:20] teadict: yawNO: it is js
[18:20] mansoor: *uses underscore
[18:20] yawNO: at least CS is known to be another lang
[18:20] yawNO: teadict: it has so many helpers
[18:20] torvalamo: i use a lot of libraries, but i tie them together myself, and tailor them to each project.. i don't type $.makeMagicPlx('some stuff that does something') and call it a day
[18:20] teadict: so?
[18:20] yawNO: that the real js you use
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[18:21] yawNO: is just numbers, strings, arrays and ibjs
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[18:21] yawNO: *objs
[18:21] mansoor: my library is better than yours
[18:21] torvalamo: yes
[18:21] yawNO: if you learn jQuery
[18:21] markq: is this REALLY a fight over if CS or jQuery is an independent language?
[18:21] yawNO: you don't learn JS
[18:21] markq: come on guys
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[18:21] mansoor: markq, i don't even know anymore :(
[18:21] yawNO: if you learn CS, you don't learn JS either
[18:21] teadict: markq: no, is about yawNO not seeing correctly what's what
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[18:22] yawNO: but don't pretend jQuery to be JS :P
[18:22] torvalamo: all i said was the people in jquery aren't using js
[18:22] torvalamo: :p
[18:22] yawNO: agree
[18:22] yawNO: :P
[18:22] mansoor: disagree
[18:22] torvalamo: in the context of node being the main js thing
[18:22] torvalamo: or taking over the world, as it were
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[18:22] yawNO: i mean... i've used jQuery a lot
[18:22] yawNO: i still use it
[18:22] markq: jQuery is syntatic sugar for JS
[18:22] markq: nothing more
[18:22] mansoor: most jquery users are nubs and designers but its still javascript, NEAR macro javascript, but javascript non-the-less
[18:22] yawNO: see SammyJS or stuff like that
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[18:23] yawNO: but i don't feel like i'm using JS w/ jQuery
[18:23] teadict: what mansoor said
[18:23] yawNO: it's more of a dialect :P
[18:23] torvalamo: technically it's js syntax, but show people non-jquery js and they won't know wtf is going on
[18:23] yawNO: exactly
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[18:23] chrisdickinson: jquery hides a lot of how javascript works.
[18:23] teadict: yawNO: you're "using" it
[18:23] yawNO: teadict: yep i am
[18:23] chrisdickinson: i'm a "huge" "fan" of how it aliases $.prototype to $.prototype.fn.
[18:23] markq: and I firmly believe that if you haven't used JS BEFORE jQuery then you've set yourself up for trouble
[18:24] chrisdickinson: or, rather, $.prototype -> $.fn.
[18:24] yawNO: markq: agree
[18:24] yawNO: the last part i mean
[18:24] markq: jQuyery masks a lot of things about JS that the developer needs to know to be a successful developer
[18:24] yawNO: exactly
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[18:24] yawNO: if you use jQuery
[18:24] teadict: this is all IE's fautl
[18:24] yawNO: after learning JS
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[18:24] yawNO: it's just fine
[18:25] yawNO: but learning jQuery first.. will totally take you in the wrong path
[18:25] torvalamo: i used jquery for a whole project once (yes i had the patience) and the amount of times i had to code OUTSIDE jquery's model made me want to hunt down whoever wrote it
[18:25] torvalamo: leaky abstractions
[18:25] torvalamo: it's gonna happen
[18:25] chrisdickinson: aside from the weirder parts of jQuery -- the aliasing of prototype, the fact that it packs every single utility function under the sun into the library, and the fact that it's version of the ES5 array methods don't match their signature -- it's not a bad thing to pick up.
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[18:26] chrisdickinson: and it certainly reflects the time it was made in -- there really wasn't a good way to modularize those components at the time.
[18:26] draginx: is there any reason why socket.on('connection'); works fine but socket.send() on the client-side wont send?
[18:26] markq: having said that it's completely up to the developer whether or not to code in jQuery syntatic sugar or to code in JS without any sugar. But remember guys: Too much sugar can cause diabetes :O
[18:26] yawNO: lol
[18:26] yawNO: anyway
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[18:26] torvalamo: draginx, are you receiving it properly?
[18:27] yawNO: if you have to use a lib
[18:27] chrisdickinson: just pedantry: it's not syntactic sugar. it's just library sugar :)
[18:27] yawNO: at least use sonething like
[18:27] yawNO: mootols
[18:27] yawNO: which extends JS
[18:27] torvalamo: it's syntactic syrup
[18:27] markq: agreed ^
[18:27] chrisdickinson: coffeescript -- with its language changes -- is syntactic sugar. jquery is just a library.
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[18:27] draginx: torvalamo: uhh socket.on('connection') does execute when I go to the page...
[18:27] yawNO: but cs is a new language
[18:27] draginx: but socket.on('message') doesn't pick anything up
[18:27] yawNO: that is common knowledge
[18:27] draginx: when im just trying to socket.send('hello');
[18:27] yawNO: if you learn cs you can't code js
[18:28] chrisdickinson: yeah, but calling jquery syntactic sugar is strictly wrong.
[18:28] yawNO: good js i mean
[18:28] chrisdickinson: that's... not exactly true either. it's worth spending some time with CS.
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[18:28] markq: jQuery is a library which makes common JS stuff syntactically pleasing
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[18:28] yawNO: chrisdickinson: i use CS
[18:28] yawNO: but i've used JS before
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[18:29] yawNO: the point of using CS 
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[18:29] yawNO: is that you code 3x fastee
[18:29] yawNO: *r
[18:29] mansoor: bogus
[18:29] isaacs: yawNO: i don't code 3x faster in CS
[18:29] yawNO: it sucks a bit when it comes to debugging
[18:29] chrisdickinson: *ymmv.
[18:29] mansoor: you just learned to type faster when you started CS :p
[18:29] yawNO: isaacs: i do 
[18:29] isaacs: i debug 3x slower in CS
[18:29] markq: CS is not a new language
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[18:29] isaacs: you spend more time debugging than writing.
[18:29] torvalamo: you're also making bulk js code through cs
[18:29] yawNO: isaacs: i said that indeed debug is an issue
[18:29] isaacs: seems like CS is optimizing the wrong problem.
[18:29] markq: CS is a syntactically pleasing offshoot
[18:29] isaacs: right
[18:29] tuhoojabotti: CS = CounterStrike
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[18:30] markq: lol
[18:30] yawNO: lol^2
[18:30] torvalamo: boom headshot?
[18:30] chrisdickinson: i definitely code 3x slower in CS, but when i turn around to test, or add features, or maintain the code i just sped through, i definitely lose that speed advantage.
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[18:30] yawNO: come on
[18:30] chrisdickinson: too much ambiguity in the language.
[18:30] yawNO: check something like
[18:30] teadict: WHAT tuhoojabotti SAID
[18:30] chrisdickinson: also, too many free footguns.
[18:30] chrisdickinson: but that's just me. others may have a better time with it.
[18:31] teadict: Counter-Strike.js
[18:31] yawNO: arr = (do item for item in array)
[18:31] tuhoojabotti: Stop playing, and start codin'.
[18:31] yawNO: and the js equivalent
[18:31] yawNO: it IS faster
[18:31] yawNO: compiled code is crap though
[18:31] yawNO: i agree with that
[18:31] teadict: depends
[18:31] teadict: compiled C is not
[18:31] chrisdickinson: it's not the compiled code in this case that irks me.
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[18:32] chrisdickinson: if it really *was* better for me to use CS -- the whole way through -- I wouldn't mind the compile step / debug step.
[18:32] isaacs: yawNO: what's the compiled version of arr = (do item for item in array)?
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[18:32] yawNO: isaacs: do you really want to know?
[18:32] yawNO: hold on
[18:32] isaacs: yawNO: yes.
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[18:32] isaacs: because i don't know what you're talking about otherwise :)
[18:32] chrisdickinson: my issue is that the language itself tried to trim *too* much out of javascript, and add too many ambiguous syntactic situations.
[18:32] teadict: you're about to get owned..
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[18:33] yawNO: isaacs: it's just that looks really weird.. np at all
[18:33] yawNO: http://coffeescript.org/
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[18:33] yawNO: check the Math.cube example
[18:33] yawNO: it's the same
[18:33] teadict: that's not the analogy to what isaacs asked...
[18:33] chrisdickinson: yawNO: arr = array.map(function(i) { return i() })
[18:34] isaacs: yawNO: and that mess is faster than cubes = list.map(math.cube)?
[18:34] isaacs: are you sure?
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[18:35] yawNO: =\ isaacs hold on i'm scrolling
[18:35] torvalamo: net split!
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[18:35] torvalamo: finish your drinks
[18:35] isaacs: yawNO: and that mess is faster than cubes = list.map(math.cube)?
[18:35] isaacs: are you sure?
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[18:35] isaacs: (what i'd said pre-split ^)
[18:35] yawNO: thx lol
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[18:35] isaacs: it's not more debuggable.
[18:35] isaacs: brb
[18:36] chrisdickinson: i think the big problem i've got is that when revisiting coffeescript code, it's largely illegible.
[18:36] mansoor: Anyone intrested in working on a kickass 3d webgl based game?
[18:36] mansoor: full stack JS :D
[18:36] yawNO: you are right about this, isaacs_away 
[18:36] yawNO: nothing ti say
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[18:36] torvalamo: that is some ugly js that output
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[18:36] yawNO: it always is w/ cs
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[18:37] torvalamo: it's like they made the output long and ugly on purpose to make the cs side look better
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[18:37] torvalamo: :p
[18:37] yawNO: haha
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[18:38] yawNO: map is >= IE9 though
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[18:38] chrisdickinson: yawNO: just use es5shim.
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[18:38] tuhoojabotti: ES = EuroShopper (popular energy drink (cheap) consumed by teens here.)
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[18:39] yawNO: isaacs_away: still something like classes or functions is faster in ca
[18:39] yawNO: *cs
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[18:39] yawNO: although the debug issue remains
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[18:40] torvalamo: also the elvis one... alert "I knew it!" if elvis?      can be made nice in js with   elvis ? alert('I knew it!') : null
[18:40] torvalamo: nothing more to it
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[18:40] torvalamo: no need for that ugly if
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[18:41] torvalamo: undefined and null are false anyways
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[18:41] mansoor: Do people really use null?
[18:41] torvalamo: sure thing sweetie
[18:41] yawNO: ? is an if anyway
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[18:41] mansoor: torvalamo: why pumpkin?
[18:41] yawNO: mansoor: i do
[18:41] mansoor: :(
[18:41] torvalamo: null is uninitialized
[18:41] torvalamo: essentially
[18:41] yawNO: i do also use void 0 btw lol
[18:42] mansoor: you ahve to go out of your way to assign null, if you do  `undefined` thats its defautl value anyway
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[18:42] torvalamo: it's a value that intentionally isn't a value
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[18:42] torvalamo: undefined is a value that unintentionally isn't a value
[18:42] mansoor: right, what advantage does that have
[18:42] torvalamo: tells you there wasn't an error
[18:42] torvalamo: compared to undefine
[18:42] torvalamo: d
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[18:42] torvalamo: or stuff
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[18:42] mansoor: if there was an error an error should be thrown
[18:42] yawNO: arg
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[18:42] mansoor: or an error passed back to callback
[18:43] torvalamo: the thing that detects the error checks for undefined or null
[18:43] torvalamo: then throws it
[18:43] torvalamo: if undefined
[18:43] torvalamo: innit
[18:43] torvalamo: exceptions don't come about from magic
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[18:44] mansoor: right undefined is all thats really needed, no need for null
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[18:45] CIA-101: node: 03Maciej Małecki 07master * rd5047f5 10/ lib/http.js : http: use `util._deprecationWarning` for deprecation warning - http://git.io/5CnG5g
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[18:46] isaacs: 
ACTION back

[18:47] bnoordhuis: .. undefined=42
[18:47] catb0t:  42
[18:47] bnoordhuis: .. null=42
[18:47] catb0t:  Exception: ReferenceError: Invalid left-hand side in assignment
[18:47] markq: who's catb0t?
[18:47] catb0t: who's getting paid by 
[18:47] torvalamo: .. undefined=42; undefined
[18:47] catb0t:  
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[18:47] bnoordhuis: ^ one possible reason to use null instead of undefined
[18:47] markq: .. null
[18:47] catb0t:  null
[18:47] isaacs: yawNO: classes in JS are fine, i think
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[18:48] isaacs: i use them a lot
[18:48] markq: .. null===undefined
[18:48] catb0t:  false
[18:48] isaacs: the CS-generated JS clases are crazy, though
[18:48] markq: .. null==undefined
[18:48] catb0t:  true
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[18:48] torvalamo: .. test
[18:48] catb0t:  3
[18:48] torvalamo: uhm
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[18:48] markq: .. dog
[18:48] catb0t:  Exception: ReferenceError: dog is not defined
[18:48] markq: .. dogb0t
[18:48] catb0t:  Exception: ReferenceError: dogb0t is not defined
[18:49] torvalamo: isn't it supposed to be sandboxed?
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[18:49] Aikar: isaacs: is strawman (i dont think classes is part of harmony is it?) classes in v8 yet under any flags?
[18:49] torvalamo: how come test == 3?
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[18:49] torvalamo: .. test == 3
[18:49] catb0t:  true
[18:49] markq: .. test=4
[18:49] catb0t:  4
[18:49] markq: .. test
[18:49] catb0t:  4
[18:49] torvalamo: .. test == 3
[18:49] catb0t:  false
[18:49] markq: =:P
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[18:49] torvalamo: someone has a bug to fix
[18:49] markq: .. test = 50
[18:49] catb0t:  50
[18:49] markq: .. test==50
[18:49] catb0t:  true
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[18:49] torvalamo: .. dog
[18:49] catb0t:  Exception: ReferenceError: dog is not defined
[18:50] torvalamo: .. dog == null
[18:50] catb0t:  Exception: ReferenceError: dog is not defined
[18:50] torvalamo: .. dog === null
[18:50] catb0t:  Exception: ReferenceError: dog is not defined
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[18:50] torvalamo: .. dog === undefined
[18:50] catb0t:  Exception: ReferenceError: dog is not defined
[18:50] torvalamo: .. dog == undefined
[18:50] catb0t:  Exception: ReferenceError: dog is not defined
[18:50] markq: .. dog = 'catb0t's worst enemy'
[18:50] catb0t:  Exception: SyntaxError: Unexpected identifier
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[18:50] markq: .. dog
[18:50] catb0t:  Exception: ReferenceError: dog is not defined
[18:50] torvalamo: you dig dog
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[18:50] markq: .. hotdog=test
[18:50] catb0t:  50
[18:50] torvalamo: apostrophe
[18:50] torvalamo: error
[18:50] Aikar: and I think people hate on the word "classes" too much. like harmony/strawman classes are still pretty much the exact same thing as typical inheritance in JS, just with a much cleaner syntax.
[18:50] markq: .. hotdog
[18:50] catb0t:  50
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[18:51] markq: irc JS is fun
[18:51] Aikar: its not like the inheritance model is completely different
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[18:51] mansoor: ..1++
[18:51] mansoor: .. 1
[18:51] catb0t:  1
[18:51] mansoor: .. 1++
[18:51] catb0t:  Exception: ReferenceError: Invalid left-hand side expression in postfix operation
[18:51] isaacs: yawNO: also, functions in CS are... weird.
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[18:51] markq: .. console.log
[18:51] catb0t:  Exception: ReferenceError: console is not defined
[18:51] Aikar: . global
[18:51] Aikar: .. global
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[18:51] catb0t:  Exception: ReferenceError: global is not defined
[18:51] Aikar: .. this
[18:51] catb0t:  { [object global] }
[18:51] Aikar: .. this.global
[18:51] catb0t:  
[18:51] mansoor: .. JSON
[18:51] catb0t:  { [object JSON] }
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[18:52] mansoor: .. JSON.stringify(this)
[18:52] catb0t:  "{"emitter":{},"a":{"attr":3},"x":"2","z":"a","test":50,"hotdog":50}"
[18:52] Aikar: .. Object.keys(this)
[18:52] catb0t:  [ "print", "emitter", "emit", "a", "x", "z", "l", "test", "hotdog" ]
[18:52] mansoor: this.x
[18:52] yawNO: isaacs: i like funcs in CS
[18:52] mansoor: .. this.x
[18:52] catb0t:  "2"
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[18:52] torvalamo: .. JSON.stringify(this.global)
[18:52] catb0t:  
[18:52] yawNO: the only thing that sucks
[18:52] yawNO: is autoreturn
[18:52] torvalamo: .. this.global.test
[18:52] catb0t:  Exception: TypeError: Cannot read property 'test' of undefined
[18:52] mansoor: .. module
[18:52] catb0t:  Exception: ReferenceError: module is not defined
[18:52] isaacs: yawNO: the whitespace sensitivity, and lack of (), makes my brain hurt a lot.
[18:52] isaacs: when reading CS code
[18:52] yawNO: but because it was implemented poorly
[18:53] yawNO: ruby autoreturn is cool, cs' isn't :(
[18:53] isaacs: yawNO: also, autoreturn, man.
[18:53] benvie: .. (function(g){Object.getOwnPropertyNames(g).reduce(function(r,s){r[s]=g[s];return r},{})})(this)
[18:53] catb0t:  
[18:53] markq: .. JSON
[18:53] catb0t:  { [object JSON] }
[18:53] isaacs: that just is a hazard.
[18:53] benvie: .. (function(g){return Object.getOwnPropertyNames(g).reduce(function(r,s){r[s]=g[s];return r},{})})(this)
[18:53] catb0t:  { TypeError:[Function: TypeError], decodeURI:[Function: decodeURI], print:[Function: print], parseFloat:[Function: parseFloat], Number:[Function: Number], URIError:[Function: URIError], emit:[Function...
[18:53] isaacs: you *always* end up leaking some garbage.
[18:53] yawNO: isaacs: already said :P
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[18:53] yawNO: yep
[18:53] mansoor: lets try an infinate loop
[18:53] isaacs: i know, i'm agreeing with you :)
[18:53] bnoordhuis: uh guys? you can also pm catb0t
[18:53] catb0t: guys your comment are very apprecially also
[18:53] yawNO: i check compiled code infact
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[18:53] markq: .. bacon
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[18:53] catb0t:  Exception: ReferenceError: bacon is not defined
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[18:54] yawNO: but isaacs 
[18:54] mansoor: .. (function foo() { function() {foo();} })();
[18:54] catb0t:  Exception: SyntaxError: Unexpected token (
[18:54] isaacs: catb0t: will the real catb0t please stand up?
[18:54] catb0t: please what library is good for password crypting with salt is pretty good as it gets to the registry and see what the deal with make at happens stand
[18:54] markq: .. unexpected token
[18:54] catb0t:  Exception: SyntaxError: Unexpected identifier
[18:54] yawNO: my first progr lang was pg
[18:54] yawNO: *py
[18:54] Aikar: .. Object.keys(this)
[18:54] catb0t:  [ "print", "emitter", "emit", "a", "x", "z", "l", "test", "hotdog" ]
[18:54] Aikar: hmm
[18:54] mansoor: .. ( function foo() {})()
[18:54] catb0t:  
[18:54] isaacs: yawNO: that's ok.  a lot of people have recovered from such an affliction.
[18:54] yawNO: so i don't mind grammar nazi syntax
[18:54] Aikar: 'this' on catbot is diff from PM vs channel
[18:54] mansoor: .. ( function foo() { foo(); })()
[18:54] catb0t:  Exception: RangeError: Maximum call stack size exceeded
[18:54] isaacs: yawNO: you can too!
[18:54] markq: .. A++
[18:54] catb0t:  Exception: ReferenceError: A is not defined
[18:54] isaacs: yawNO: ;)
[18:55] yawNO: isaacs: haven't used py for 2,5 years
[18:55] yawNO: and counting
[18:55] isaacs: my first language was Basic
[18:55] yawNO: i was net-born in 2008
[18:55] mansoor: .. ( function foo() { throw "foo!!"; })()
[18:55] catb0t:  Exception: foo!!
[18:55] isaacs: 2008!!???
[18:55] yawNO: yep
[18:55] isaacs: 
ACTION feels old.

[18:55] mansoor: .. ( function foo() { throw new Error; })()
[18:55] catb0t:  Exception: Error
[18:55] chilts: same, on the ZX Spectrum 48k (with the rubber keys) :)
[18:55] mansoor: .. ( function foo() { throw; })()
[18:55] catb0t:  Exception: SyntaxError: Unexpected token ;
[18:55] yawNO: but i had internet late
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[18:56] yawNO: started coding at 16-17
[18:56] isaacs: yawNO: where you from?
[18:56] yawNO: italy
[18:56] yawNO: so ueah
[18:56] isaacs: yawNO: you mean you were 16 in 2008, or that you started coding a long time ago, but didn't have internet for some reason until 2008?
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[18:57] chilts: net-born - got internet (I think)
[18:57] yawNO: started coding in 2008
[18:57] chilts: 
ACTION has never heard that before :)

[18:57] mansoor: .. 9999*99999
[18:57] catb0t:  999890001
[18:57] yawNO: python, perl
[18:57] yawNO: then C
[18:57] mmalecki: I started coding when I was like 12 or even earlier
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[18:57] yawNO: got through PHP
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[18:57] isaacs: yawNO: so.... you've been coding for 4 years total, making you,what, 20?
[18:57] AndreasMadsen: .. [0] != ![0]
[18:57] mansoor: I started when i was 10 :p   VB 6.0
[18:57] catb0t:  false
[18:57] yawNO: 19
[18:57] yawNO: isaacs: ^
[18:57] torvalamo: i started with mirc script
[18:57] torvalamo: anyone?
[18:57] isaacs: yawNO: awesome.
[18:57] mmalecki: I sterted with delphi
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[18:58] isaacs: yawNO: go write 10000 lines of CS and 10000 lines of JS.  find a big problem, and go solve it, then another one, and go solve it in the other language.
[18:58] yawNO: isaacs: i know people that are a year older then me
[18:58] isaacs: yawNO: it will change your life.
[18:58] chilts: I'm still happy my first real program was in Amos Basic on the Amiga :)
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[18:58] yawNO: they know 3 times what i know
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[18:58] yawNO: ain't that awesome
[18:58] yawNO: :P
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[18:58] torvalamo: don't get your hopes up
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[18:58] yawNO: i won't
[18:58] torvalamo: :P
[18:59] yawNO: otherwise i would have left the internet
[18:59] isaacs: 10Kloc isn't that much 
[18:59] yawNO: a long ago
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[18:59] mmalecki: actually, looks like I started when I was 9 - second class of elementary school
[18:59] yawNO: italian coding scene is a lot like 4chan
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[18:59] torvalamo: lol
[18:59] yawNO: the good ones are the trolling ones
[18:59] cpaterson:  /ignore -channels #mwsf * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS
[18:59] konobi: isaacs: any ryah today?
[18:59] yawNO: you get used to it :P
[18:59] isaacs: konobi: doubtful
[18:59] isaacs: is mlk jr day
[19:00] yawNO: isaacs: i'm coding a webservice w/ cs
[19:00] yawNO: as soon as i face some troubles
[19:00] yawNO: i'll let you know
[19:00] isaacs: :)
[19:00] isaacs: kelw
[19:00] yawNO: not really
[19:00] isaacs: always good to get first-hand accounts.
[19:00] yawNO: it would mean i've faced some troubles :P
[19:00] konobi: isaacs: mkay... i know how to fix that snapshot issue... but it's a little involved... may just be better as extra configure flags
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[19:01] cpaterson: Hey @isaacs thanks for npm!
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[19:02] yawNO: yeah, thx for discriminating poor little cs
[19:02] yawNO: :(
[19:02] torvalamo: it's not poor
[19:03] draginx: so ya if socket.on('connection') works but socket.on('message') doesn't even when Im doing socket.send('hello'); client-side what could be some of the reasons as to why?
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[19:03] torvalamo: are you checking for disconnects?
[19:03] torvalamo: cuz it may disconnect just after it connected
[19:03] yawNO: torvalamo: it makes cs :3
[19:03] torvalamo: if it's websockets or something
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[19:05] torvalamo: draginx, it's not socket.send
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[19:06] torvalamo: it's socket.emit, according to the github readme
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[19:08] torvalamo: nvm
[19:08] torvalamo: faar down in the readme
[19:08] torvalamo: was a socket.send :p
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[19:16] draginx: torvalamo: right socket.send(0 should work
[19:16] draginx: socket.emit also does not work =/\
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[19:16] markq: anyone think it's a good idea to use redis for session store and mongodb as the main database?
[19:17] markq: I was thinking about redis for storing sessiosn because it's all in memory
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[19:17] markq: anyone currently use this setup?
[19:18] draginx: markq: I have and it works pretty wel
[19:18] yawNO: derbyjs uses it
[19:18] draginx: torvalamo: to be fair i am using session.io-session
[19:18] yawNO: and it's a damn cool project
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[19:18] markq: awesome
[19:19] markq: i honestly think that's the best setup
[19:19] yawNO: redis should be pretty performant when it comes to get/set for session 
[19:19] bingomanatee: markq: despite this being a tenable strategy -- I would point out that any time you have two repos you invite race conditions, bad synch issues, and versioning conditions. 
[19:19] yawNO: plus there's an adapter for connect
[19:19] yawNO: which means that the whole thing makes sense
[19:20] yawNO: brb
[19:20] bingomanatee: so as long as you are doing things like storing IDs in session and data in Mongo you are probably fairly safe. But you should think long and hard as to what you store where. 
[19:20] markq: bingomanatee: agreed
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[19:21] markq: yea I',m planning to store session ids only in redis and the data part in mongo
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[19:21] bingomanatee: For instance, a shopping cart in Redis makse sense, buecause the data isn't "real" til they check out. (depending on your bus. model.)
[19:21] yawNO: long time no see
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[19:21] markq: bingomanatee: exactly
[19:21] markq: that's what I had in mind
[19:22] markq: all the non-persistant stuff in redis (or with minimal persistance) and everything else that is "permanent" so to speak, in mongo
[19:22] markq: speeds up the chain
[19:23] bingomanatee: But you do have to look out -- for instance, if you put data in your shopping cart about a given product and its product definition changes in Mongo you can get into issues. Especially if, for instance, you can keep shopping carts active in Redis for days on end. (People leave browsers open for a LONG time and page ajax can keep sessions alive all the while.)
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[19:23] markq: ah that's true
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[19:24] markq: that's tricky
[19:24] markq: what do you suggest then?
[19:24] yawNO: am i dying? ping
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[19:25] yawNO: okay i'm not
[19:25] bingomanatee: Mainly, only store keys in Redis -- perhaps in the cart case, keys and quantity -- not metadata. And validate all data taken out of Redis with Mongo. 
[19:25] bingomanatee: Lastly, if anyone ever wants to do the grunt work, I would be curious to see exactly how much faster Redis is than Mongo - given that its not storing formatted data I'm sure it is a bit faster -- but it would be interesting to set up a test scenario, in one case storing session AND app data in Mongo against session in Redis AND data in Mongo.
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[19:27] markq: the key is to not store metadata in redis
[19:27] markq: and as you said to validate
[19:27] rijjo: Can I escape characters into regexp with a regexp or something lol =)
[19:27] rijjo: for example ! into \! etc
[19:27] markq: validation really is a lifesaver
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[19:32] Lingerance: rijjo: yes, that's how it's done.
[19:32] Lingerance: If you're doing the new RegExp(str) way though, they need to be like: str = '\\!'
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[19:36] bLiNdRaGe: i want to set up a very low cost session handling middleware in node.js . any suggestions?
[19:36] BrianE: I think I have a problem.
[19:36] yawNO: isaacs: look -> Thread.findById req.params.thread, (err, thread) ->
[19:36] BrianE: I think I'm addicted to node.js.
[19:37] yawNO: pure awesomeness 
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[19:37] yawNO: it looks like natural human language
[19:37] yawNO: :Q_
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[19:49] yawNO: i feel like a complete idiot
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[19:49] xer0x: me too
[19:49] yawNO: post.author === req.user._id >> false
[19:50] yawNO: console.log post.author >> 4f147e17f040d3eb0b000003
[19:50] yawNO: console.log req.user._id >> 4f147e17f040d3eb0b000003
[19:50] yawNO: console.log typeof post.author >> object
[19:50] yawNO: console.log typeof req.user._id >> object
[19:51] yawNO: any possible explanation? except nodejs broke down :(
[19:51] jamund: is that a mongo object Id
[19:51] jamund: maybe it is an object with a toString implementation different than saying [''object]'
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[19:52] jamund: or maybe one of these https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Object/toSource (not exactly sure which console.log will try to use)
[19:54] jamund: i guess if that were the case the comparison would likely work as well
[19:54] yawNO: jamund: you are right :|
[19:54] yawNO: using toString() on both works
[19:54] yawNO: thx :|
[19:54] jamund: nice.
[19:54] jamund: does == work instead of === in that case
[19:54] jamund: just wondering (without the toString)
[19:54] yawNO: it did not
[19:54] yawNO: i've tried
[19:55] jamund: hmm okay
[19:55] yawNO: weird
[19:55] yawNO: :|
[19:55] jamund: yeah a little weird
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[19:55] jamund: is that mongoose or something
[19:55] jamund: where are you getting that ojbect?
[19:55] yawNO: yep
[19:55] yawNO: mongoose
[19:55] yawNO: still they should both be ObjectId
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[19:56] yawNO: because req.user is an entry fetched from the db
[19:56] jamund: well comparing objects in javascript is weird-land
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[19:56] yawNO: jamund: i'll let you imagine how it is using coffeescript
[19:56] yawNO: :P
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[19:56] jamund: > var a = {b:1}
[19:56] jamund: > var b = {b:1}
[19:56] jamund: > a==b
[19:56] jamund: false
[19:57] yawNO: YAY NETSPLIT
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[19:57] lwille: mongoose doesn't implement any comparison function on ObjectId, so you either use toString on both objectIds or write yourself a comparison helper - this could directly go into https://github.com/LearnBoost/mongoose/blob/master/lib/drivers/node-mongodb-native/objectid.js
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[19:57] jamund: yeah i don't know how to read coffee script. i guess it's for people that know python or ruby or something?
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[19:59] markq: nodemon vs. forever
[19:59] markq: who wins
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[20:00] jamund: oooh good idea do it yawNO
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[20:00] jamund: markq, i've used cluster before to keep things up.
[20:00] jamund: probably overkill for a 1 process app
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[20:02] markq: lol cluster: "workers commit suicide when master dies"
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[20:04] jamund: i'm not sure if it's node 6 compatible, since node 6 has something similar built-in
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[20:05] sotosof: markq: integrated Cluster lib, and own simple signal handling and worker restarting if you dont want advanced functionality
[20:05] brian_: Hah
[20:05] brian_: I love writing stuff on Node :)
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[20:14] yawNO: Aikar: ling
[20:14] yawNO: *ping
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[20:16] Lingerance: Hmm?
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[20:16] devinus: is there a node.js module for building nice line based protocols
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[20:24] RobertPlummer: good day all
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[20:26] RobertPlummer: I'm getting an error when I have a js file execute another using require('child_process').exec(), I suspect it is paths related because I output a file, then open it and copy data from it.  How can I set nodejs or this child_process to execute from the directory that I'm in if I execute from a command terminal?
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[20:27] RobertPlummer: file: https://github.com/robertleeplummerjr/jison/blob/master/ports/php/jison.js
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[20:28] RobertPlummer: Line 17 is the trouble.
[20:28] RobertPlummer: var Parser = require(fileName + '.js');
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[20:29] RobertPlummer: Even if I write out the path I seem to be running into an issue.
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[20:43] Aikar: devinus: http://github.com/aikar/wormhole may be of use to you
[20:44] yawNO: Aikar: ping
[20:44] devinus: mostly i'm looking for something that helps me write line based protocols
[20:44] Aikar: yawNO: p0ng
[20:44] yawNO: Aikar: forked your nova stuff
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[20:44] yawNO: do you mind if i rewrite it using a exports.xxx pattern?
[20:45] Aikar: ?
[20:45] yawNO: that way i could port it to the clientside
[20:45] yawNO: wait
[20:45] yawNO: maybe i can anyway
[20:45] yawNO: uhm
[20:45] CIA-101: node: 03Fedor Indutny 07master * r3d1476a 10/ (4 files): 
[20:45] CIA-101: node: gyp: install node-gyp
[20:45] CIA-101: node: * fixes #2480 - http://git.io/GkF1NA
[20:46] Aikar: it already uses exports
[20:46] yawNO: yeah
[20:46] yawNO: the fact is that
[20:46] yawNO: clientside js does not have exports
[20:46] yawNO: or require
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[20:47] yawNO: so i have to do something like
[20:47] goloroden: has anybody experienced that callbacks are not being called at all in node-mongolian?
[20:48] yawNO: (function(exports)...)((typeof exports === 'undefines') ? {} : exports;)
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[20:49] jw: does console.log support all printf formatting commands?  Such as precision?
[20:49] wankdanker: wink_: you around?
[20:50] boghog: jw, I tend to resort to http://www.diveintojavascript.com/projects/javascript-sprintf for more advanced formatting needs
[20:50] wink_: i am in fact :p
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[20:50] wink_: what serendipitous timing :>
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[20:52] jw: boghog, thanks.  i'll check that out.
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[21:00] jrbaldwin: anyone running node.js on openwrt?
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[21:02] murvin: so quiet...
[21:02] stride: jrbaldwin: heh, nice. how long did the compile take?
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[21:02] NHQ: Does aught body here know a bit of applescript?
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[21:03] jrbaldwin: stride: i'm asking since i'm still having problems building the openwrt rootfs on a usb drive...haven't even tried to compile yet >_<
[21:03] insin: 
ACTION is this close to writing with({module: module, exports: exports, require: require}) { /* source code for export */ } to handle exports = blah instead of a closure and IIFE wrapper - stop me!

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[21:05] monk12: hello all, I'm reading the nodebeginner.org tutorial. and they get to the part where they show how the sleep() function they made on a webpage is blocking operation... then they move onto a exec('ls -al') example to show how to show the directory listing in a callback to solve the blocking issue... i was curious if you can fix the sleep so it also gets fixed? or can't issue a callback to a javascript function you made yourself (just things node uses 
[21:05] monk12: like exec() which allow callbacks to be attached to them?)
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[21:06] stride: monk12: uh, link? :)
[21:06] monk12: I guess you can move the javascript sleep() operation to a shell command to simulate that 2nd example. but still curious if you can fix it within js...
[21:06] monk12: k...
[21:07] monk12: http://www.nodebeginner.org/  and look for: sleep(10000)
[21:07] stride: ah
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[21:09] monk12: so /start is a blocking operation. if someone else went to /upload , would have to wait 10s... but they don't mention how to solve this super simple/(impractical) sleep() example and move onto another harder 'exec' problem (which coincidentally has an easy solution).
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[21:10] monk12: Is it just a good example to show the problem... but not solvable in node?
[21:11] stride: that's pretty much a non-issue imho since you wouldn't really wait/poll inside the node event loop in a real world app
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[21:11] stride: you'd do that in c++ land and receive a callback when your heavy lifting is finished
[21:12] stride: (c++ land or a childprocess or a thread)
[21:12] monk12: could you also do it in JS land? like a 'offload' server.
[21:12] stride: nope, js land in node runs in a single thread, that's what makes it great :)
[21:12] stride: so consequently everything you do there will block other things
[21:13] stride: there's some stuff like fibers that you could use though, it's like a wrapper around the c++ stuff you'd have to take care of so you can stay in js land
[21:13] monk12: gotcha... well i think i was reading in this book 'node web development' that you could send it to a 'backend service' (but that would have to be another instance of node hehe)
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[21:13] monk12: gotcha. thanks stride.
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[21:14] stride: sure, or that :) there's some nice modules (dnode) and messaging for built-in node - node IPC
[21:14] stride: de nada
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[21:15] monk12: so Does everyone build their apps in Express nowadays? like i went through the standard tutorials where they show you how to build your own router, request handler, views modules... but at that point, do alot of people understand and start using a Node framework? or just keep piling on their own and external modules?
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[21:16] monk12: like in client-side javascript, it was cool to learn how to do all the IE/FF stuff, but when jquery came along, you could just use $.ajax etc and forget the tedious stuff you needed to remember.
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[21:17] stride: express is pretty popular for web stuff in node, yep
[21:17] rio{: Is there any better way of running something at a specific time that using a polling function?
[21:17] pquerna: http://rackspaceluvit.eventbrite.com/ <- luvit meetup the day before NodeSummit
[21:17] monk12: cool, thanks stride
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[21:19] Bonuspunkt: has anyone a simple websocket sample?
[21:19] stride: rio{: setTimeout, there's also node-cron I believe that wraps setTimeout for that purpose
[21:20] rio{: yeah setTimeout is what I meant with 'polling' :)
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[21:20] stride: oh, I thought you meant while(true) with comparing the current time :) sorry
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[21:25] thedaywillcome: hi
[21:25] thedaywillcome: i'm trying to use supervisor but i need to pass arguments to my app.js
[21:25] monk12: hello^
[21:25] thedaywillcome: is there anyway to do this/
[21:26] einaros: SubStack: I didn't bother pullreq'ing that
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[21:26] thedaywillcome: i tries for example: node.js app.js 80 db_name
[21:26] shellox: hi
[21:26] thedaywillcome: but with supervisor
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[21:26] thedaywillcome: i read the docs but i couldn't find how to do this, only ways to pass arguments to supervisor itself
[21:26] shellox: can express.js generate coffee-script?
[21:27] thedaywillcome: supervisor -x app.js 80 db_name ?
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[21:29] insin: require('express').barf({inconsistentParens: true, dropAsMuchSyntaxAsPossible: true})
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[21:31] insin: where did the convention for top-level project directories for the likes of "support" and "vendor" come from?
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[21:32] tuhoojabotti: insin: From the minds of the wisemen.
[21:32] tuhoojabotti: soon they shall be vnr and spt
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[21:47] Aikar: app/nm/express/nm/connect ?!
[21:48] context: ?
[21:48] context: aikar: what about it
[21:50] Aikar: context: re: tuhoojabotti 
[21:50] tuhoojabotti: wut
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[21:50] tuhoojabotti: Aikar: nm as in NetMatch \o
[21:50] cpaterson: Does anyone know of a Filesystem monitor that's good.  Basically, whenever a file is created, moved, deleted etc... I want my node app to receive a notification.
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[21:51] context: cpaterson: node comes with one...
[21:51] context: cpaterson: http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/fs.html#fs.watch
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[21:52] cpaterson: Oh cool
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[21:53] CIA-101: libuv: 03Igor Zinkovsky 07master * rf5bd21f 10/ test/test-eio-overflow.c : conform to ANSI C - http://git.io/1XByqQ
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[21:55] mmalecki: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/API-changes-between-v0.6-and-v0.8
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[21:55] mmalecki: please contribute if you notice any breaking change ^
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[21:56] Lorentz: I've never heard of gyp before
[21:56] dnz-_: i have a mad easy question relating to scope. http://pastie.org/private/yzmjxrddu3jc2dai4aita 
[21:57] dnz-_: someone point out my fail please
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[21:58] cpaterson: context: Looking at the Filesystem#watch, is there a way to use it to watch a directory recursively?
[21:59] context: Watch for changes on filename, where filename is either a file or a directory.
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[21:59] swajr: dnz-_: your global.forEach is changing the scope of "this", most likely
[21:59] dnz-_: well yeh, the callback is anon func
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[21:59] cpaterson: context: what if it's two directories deep?
[21:59] context: cpaterson: as an fs watcher im going to ASSUME it default to rerursive for directories. you could of course test this out very quickly...
[22:00] cpaterson: Yeah, I'm not seeing it happen...
[22:00] swajr: Class.prototype = { var that = this; someMethod: function() { // blah blah // that.somethign.anotherMethod(v);
[22:00] swajr: basically store off a reference to "this"
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[22:00] swajr: before the function definition.
[22:00] bnoordhuis: cpaterson: it's non-recursive
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[22:00] dnz-_: will try swajr,. one sec
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[22:01] uptownben: Hey all, can somebody help me out? Troubleshooting an npm issue after re-building/installing node 0.6.7
[22:01] swajr: dnz-_: http://pastie.org/private/2pfxj1u1zpksi5flyglia
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[22:01] dnz-_: yep it works, thanks swajr 
[22:01] swajr: np
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[22:03] lmatteis: can i use node to develop win32 apps?
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[22:03] swaj: eh, I don't think any javascript bindings to winforms exist
[22:03] uptownben: getting this: http://pastebin.com/zWxXVNPz
[22:03] swaj: though you could certainly write some :)
[22:03] cpaterson: context: bnoordhuis is right it's non-recursive
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[22:04] uptownben: can't do npm update -g
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[22:05] nickynyfiken: Hi, I am trying to use jasmine-node (https://github.com/mhevery/jasmine-node) but I can't figure how to get it to find my functions. Anyone used it?
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[22:07] CIA-101: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r1afd0b5 10/ (4 files): 
[22:07] CIA-101: node: Revert "gyp: install node-gyp"
[22:07] CIA-101: node: No.
[22:07] CIA-101: node: This reverts commit 3d1476a3168effe3edb32510f56cf9b00bce8392. - http://git.io/WUEhGg
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[22:31] nickdc: I'm trying to install node on an amazon linux instance (Red Hat) and it erros saying it can't find the mirrors list. Any idead on how to fix that? or a simpler way to install node?
[22:31] nickdc: I tried the yum installer
[22:32] `3rdEden: compile from source
[22:33] nickdc: Ok I can give that a try
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[22:36] insin: is there a mocha option to require a module and mix it into what's exposed to the test modules? It has --require, but it seems to expect you to import something like Should which adds functions to global objects
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[22:41] rizwan: hi guys, I am new to this forum and I have an issue while running my first node application =), tried google but no help :/
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[22:44] rizwan: anyone?
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[22:45] maxogden: rizwan: if you state your problem you might receive help
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[22:45] tjfontaine: rizwan: in other words, it's easier to ask than it is to ask to ask
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[22:46] lmatteis: maybe his question was simply if he could ask a question
[22:46] rizwan: maxogden: thanks :D, I am trying to run an application which gives error, CompassionPit--Node-$ node app.js 
[22:46] rizwan: The "sys" module is now called "util". It should have a similar interface.
[22:47] rizwan: node.js:201
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[22:47] rizwan:         throw e; // process.nextTick error, or 'error' event on first tick
[22:47] rizwan:               ^
[22:47] rizwan: Error: Cannot find module './config' at Function._resolveFilename (module.js:334:11)
[22:47] rizwan:     at Function._load (module.js:279:25)
[22:47] rizwan:     at Module.require (module.js:357:17)
[22:47] rizwan:     at require (module.js:368:17)
[22:47] rizwan:     at /home/rizwan/CompassionPit--Node-/log.js:6:18
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[22:47] rizwan:     at Object.<anonymous> (/home/rizwan/CompassionPit--Node-/log.js:131:1)
[22:47] rizwan:     at Module._compile (module.js:432:26)
[22:47] rizwan:     at Object..js (module.js:450:10)
[22:47] rizwan:     at Module.load (module.js:351:31)
[22:47] rizwan: I googled it, understood what error means etc
[22:47] rizwan: node 0.6.7, npm 1.1.0-beta-10
[22:48] rizwan: I assume installed automatically when I installed node manually from sources
[22:48] rizwan: npm I mean
[22:49] Aria: Yeah, it did. So it's looking for a 'config.js' in the current directory. Do you have one?
[22:49] Aria: (sounds like you need to configure this thing you're using)
[22:49] tjfontaine: also, rizwan use some kind of pastebin for more than 2 lines
[22:50] rizwan: Aria: I don't have config.js, I just downloaded it as is and followed instructions by author, do I need to create myself then?
[22:51] rizwan: tjfontaine: ok, sorry for the mess
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[22:51] Aria: I don't know -- what is it? Just a guess, though, hints that that's what it's looking for.
[22:51] rizwan: here is the application git link: https://github.com/zackster/CompassionPit--Node-
[22:51] Aria: As a side note -- wow, weird naming!
[22:51] Aria: app.js requires ./config
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[22:52] Aria: As there's no ./config.js, that fails.
[22:52] Aria: however, it doesn't require static-config.js, so I wonder if that's the example config.
[22:52] Aria: It sure looks like it, in some ways. you might copy that to config.js and see if that works.
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[22:52] rizwan: hmmm
[22:53] Aria: Ah, no.
[22:53] Aria: copy "config.js.template" to "config.js". config.js is in the .gitignore file, which git tracks. "static/style.min.css" and "static/script.min.js" are also included in ".gitignore"; those are automatically generated and minified when the application is run. 
[22:53] Aria: From the author's README.markdown
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[22:55] rizwan: Aria: after I copy static-config.js to config.js, I get error -> TypeError: Cannot read property 'uri' of undefined
[22:55] Aria: Yeah, that was a mistake. Use config.js.template instead.
[22:56] Aria: My guess was wrong.
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[22:56] rizwan: Aria: ok, I am going to try that
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[23:03] dre: Hello.  I have a node.JS application that I'm trying to bundle into node.  I figured out how to build it and get the _third_party_main to run for simple applications.  I can also put my supporting files into /lib and those work well as "native modules".  However, I'm not sure how to include any modules (as in, files from the folder node_modules), since everything in the /lib directory must be at the top level.  Is there any way to include mod
[23:03] dre: ules without having to flatten my project, rename conflicting files, etc.?
[23:05] rizwan: Aria: There is no config.js.template file anywhere
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[23:06] Aria: Well nuts! Sounds like the author's made some mistakes. Maybe troll into the history? Or guess at how it's used by reading the code. 
[23:06] Aria: File an issue!
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[23:08] rizwan: Aria: thanks for your help anyway =)
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[23:08] dre: anyone?
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[23:11] alystair: Hello all, looking for mentor that can help me out in learning to use node.js by making my own app. I know the super basics but could use advice as I go... I want to use mongodb, postgre or neo4j as my backend dbs (not under same app obviously)
[23:12] alystair: although finding a host for those DBs is a pain :/
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[23:12] alystair: maybe I should be using AWS
[23:13] alystair: or heroku ~_~
[23:14] SubStack: alystair: nodejitsu has an api for spinning up hosted databases that's pretty great
[23:15] SubStack: or you can get hosted mongodb pretty easily
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[23:15] SubStack: if you go the hosted couchdb route iris couch is pretty great too
[23:15] SubStack: npm runs on it
[23:15] alystair: I don't really like the premise of couchdb
[23:16] alystair: maybe once I have a better feel for making node apps
[23:16] dre: Anyone have any solutions for my question?  Is there no response because the question is complicated or because it's stupid?
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[23:18] context: couch has geospatial now too :X
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[23:19] alystair: what's geospatial doing in a db?
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[23:19] bingomanatee: mongo envy much :D
[23:20] context: ahh its an add on
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[23:20] context: bingomanatee: im using it in a new project c urrently in mongo
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[23:21] Lingerance: dre: add an index.js to the base of your project.
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[23:21] context: doubtful.
[23:22] alystair: :<
[23:22] context: alystair: read a lot, and play even more
[23:22] context: ;) im still new to mongo/nosql myself
[23:22] context: im trying to get myself to read one tech book a week
[23:22] context: the mongo book im about to finish is pretty good
[23:23] context: alystair: dont need a mentor when you have irc. you get a few dozen of them. you just cant be lazy ;)
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[23:25] alystair: I'm just getting started with express/mongoose/jade etc
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[23:26] alystair: although I don't know if starting off on heroku is a good thing because it teaches you specifics for their hosting only?
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[23:27] dre: Lingerance: Thanks, but I'm not trying to make a module.. I'm trying to add my nodeJS project into a node executable
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[23:27] insin: is there a standard-ish port of the asserts module for the browser, which also goes as far as it can with the stack trace depending on the browser's capabilities?
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[23:27] dre: I just can't figure out the way to package th modules I use in my project there
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[23:29] magikarp_: Hey everyone!
[23:29] magikarp_: Do I really have to run node-static as a different server on a different port? Can't I run it as part of my node.js server?
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[23:37] munro: magikarp_: nope!  you just have to glue it on the current server your running, I recommend using 'connect'
[23:37] munro: s/your/you're/
[23:38] magikarp_: munro: Thank you, I just figured it out! :)
[23:38] munro: yay!
[23:38] magikarp_: munro: I appreciate your response, thanks
[23:38] magikarp_: munro: I'm new to node.js, I'm a PHP veteran
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[23:39] magikarp_: I have a large amount of PHP expertise, but little Node.js knowledge
[23:39] magikarp_: So far, I'm quite excited!
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[23:39] CIA-101: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * rca2a047 10/ (148 files in 26 dirs): 
[23:39] CIA-101: node: Merge remote branch 'origin/v0.6'
[23:39] CIA-101: node: Conflicts:
[23:39] CIA-101: node:  deps/uv/src/win/util.c
[23:39] CIA-101: node:  src/udp_wrap.cc - http://git.io/11GsZA
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[23:40] munro: magikarp_: https://gist.github.com/1608654 <-- heh, then you'll love this, PHP MACROS!!!
[23:40] magikarp_: Haha! :)
[23:40] magikarp_: Looks like node.js has a friendly community :D
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[23:45] alystair: ugh mongooooose
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[23:48] alystair: is there a good standard set up for creating a login system within express/mongoose/whatever
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[23:49] alystair: or should I be hunting for another item in npm that does this for me :P
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[23:51] charrly: Has anyone here served nodejs with another webserver like apache or nginx?
[23:52] igl: HAI, nginx 
[23:52] Lingerance: Yes, nginx
[23:53] charrly: How does node work in that type of environment? Do you lose any features?
[23:53] gkatsev: websockets
[23:53] gkatsev: are lost
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[23:55] charrly: hmm, ok. forgive my ignorance, but I never really understood why it was normal practice to use a built in web server when there was already good ones out there..
[23:56] charrly: for websockets, but is there any other reason why I would want to use the node webserver?
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[23:58] AvianFlu: it takes less configuring than apache or nginx
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[23:58] AvianFlu: by a long shot
[23:58] igl: o.O
[23:58] igl: nginx is so easy
[23:58] grom358: any ideas why this isn't working, http://pastebin.com/ZLfCJjx7 ? I getting but server error pages
[23:58] AvianFlu: you can also definitely get websockets working with nginx
[23:58] grom358: back*
[23:58] igl: you can let nginx do the static files and proxy thru to your node clusters
[23:58] AvianFlu: you used to have to recompile it, they may have fixed it outright by now
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[23:59] warz: yea, i prefer nginx.
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[23:59] igl: i like nginxs pseudo json config
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