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[00:00] torvalamo: jocafa, jquery makes you cry, but try working with cross-browser DOM without it
[00:00] torvalamo: :P
[00:00] torvalamo: that'll make you weep
[00:00] jocafa: 
ACTION pets mootools

[00:01] torvalamo: that's a very nice wrapper you have there, would be a shame if somet*boom*
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[00:02] torvalamo: i prefer doing things vanilla, because im hardcore
[00:02] torvalamo: and i use angular anyways
[00:03] halfhalo: HARDCORE!!!
[00:03] munro: mc: I wrote my blog to use gist as a backend, github now handles my blog content administration and comments
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[00:04] mc: that's really clever, honestly
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[00:04] munro: I took it down, but I'll push it again tonight
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[00:07] `3rdEden: Damn why does inspiration always come when you want to go to bed >_<
[00:07] mc: yeah, i'd be interested to see how you did it
[00:07] munro: by polling the gist api periodically
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[00:13] mc: https://github.com/nathan-lafreniere/node-lazydb
[00:13] mc: maybe useful
[00:13] mc: maybe not
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[00:15] context: any good page that explains how exports/require() work with everything being self contained
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[00:33] aroman: so let's say I have some async node code that takes a while to get to callback. like, some very IO driven thing that might take 35 seconds to finish. These node testing frameworks I've found all seem to think it's a good idea to fail when something takes longer than a few seconds to return. What's the point of that?
[00:33] aroman: isn't the whole point that it can take as long as it damn well pleases?
[00:34] sh1mmer: aroman: you still tie up resources while you are waiting for a request
[00:34] sh1mmer: aroman: also TCP places assumptions on the length of time things take
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[00:34] sh1mmer: You can configure that stuff though
[00:34] sh1mmer: but it does have defaults
[00:34] aroman: sh1mmer: not if I'm not using TCP
[00:34] aroman: oh I see
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[00:35] aroman: so they're assuming I'm not using something like WebSockets (which I am), and that it's unreasonable to expect a web page to take more than a second or so to render server-side
[00:35] aroman: and building that assumption into the testing framework
[00:35] sh1mmer: aroman: it's not a configurable?
[00:36] aroman: sh1mmer: it's not that it isn't, but it took me a little while to figure out why I even needed to do it
[00:36] aroman: I've settled on Jasmine and I just do `asyncSpecWait.timeout = 10 * 1000`
[00:36] sh1mmer: aroman: it's a reasonable assumption for most applications
[00:36] SubStack: eww jasmine
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[00:36] aroman: I've tried vows, seemed way too cumbersome
[00:37] SubStack: hahahahaha so you used jasmine instead hahahaha
[00:37] aroman: I really liked node_async, but that's dead now :/
[00:37] aroman: SubStack: jasmine has more simplistic syntax imho. What would you recommend?
[00:37] SubStack: tap is pretty good
[00:37] SubStack: jasmine is really weird and silly and it pukes all over your namespace
[00:38] maxogden: but its 'elegant'
[00:38] aroman: yeah I didn't like the namespace clobbering actually
[00:39] aroman: SubStack: O.o you said tap is less cumbersome?
[00:39] SubStack: tap has a great api
[00:39] SubStack: here's a test written in tap https://github.com/substack/node-replicant/blob/master/test/clone.js
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[00:39] SubStack: note how the testing harness gets out of the way
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[00:40] SubStack: you can run that file directly as a node program or use the tap command to run it
[00:40] sh1mmer: 
ACTION likes assert

[00:40] SubStack: assert is useful for simple stuff too
[00:40] sh1mmer: for i in *.js; do node $i; done
[00:40] sh1mmer: tada
[00:40] SubStack: I like being able to plan how many tests and issuing t.end() myself
[00:41] SubStack: because your asserts might not be called at all
[00:41] aroman: SubStack: that does look pretty solid
[00:41] SubStack: and it would look like the tests passed
[00:42] aroman: well I'll give it a shot, I've only written a few tests so far and I'm just trying to feel out the node testing libraries
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[00:42] SubStack: well that's good
[00:42] SubStack: I used to write a lot of expresso tests but I soured on the idea of defining tests in exports
[00:43] SubStack: nodeunit uses exports too
[00:43] caolanm: nodeunit invented the idea of using exports ;)
[00:44] caolanm: SubStack: so you definitely don't want to use it! haha
[00:44] aroman: yeah not a fan of that either
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[00:44] djMax: so if I'm in a modal view controller and I want to popup another view controller as modal such that 'dismiss' will only get rid of THAT controller, what's the dance?
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[00:48] SubStack: djMax: your question assumes a level of familiarity with your specific design choices
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[00:49] aroman: SubStack: I like the syntax a lot. Not sure why plan() is helpful, or why `tap` doesn't exit after running tests
[00:50] isaacs: aroman: plan is only necessary if you want to guarantee that a certain number of tests will run, and not some other number of tests.
[00:50] isaacs: aroman: typically, i do .end()
[00:50] aroman: isaacs: oh, the man himself. Gotcha, thanks.
[00:50] isaacs: the reason you need that, though, is because the tests are async, so it doesn't end when the tick is over.
[00:51] aroman: right, I guess that goes back to my original question about timeouts for async tests
[00:51] isaacs: tap supports timeouts
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[00:51] aroman: but are they there by default?
[00:51] isaacs: test("a test that times out", { timeout: 1000 }, function (t) { setTimeout(function () { t.pass("not soon enough"); t.end() }, 2000) })
[00:52] isaacs: aroman: yeah, the default is 30 seconds
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[00:52] isaacs: which *is* crazy long.
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[00:52] aroman: yeah that's probably enough for even my rather crazy needs
[00:52] isaacs: yeah
[00:52] isaacs: you can set it to whatever you want, though.  if you want no timeout at all, you can set it to Infinity
[00:52] aroman: some of these other testing frameworks have it set to like 4s.
[00:52] aroman: right, I'll keep that in mind
[00:52] isaacs: 4s is not enough
[00:53] djMax: I was just confusing "make a new nav controller and present modal to flip orientation by force" with "push a view controller onto a new nav controller inside a modal to allow back"
[00:53] isaacs: aroman: also, t.bailout("reason") is a bit borked right now.  i'm working on fixing it.
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[00:55] djMax: wow, both those comments were not for node.js. Apologies.
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[00:59] aroman: isaacs: good to know as well. One other question, can I get `tap` to exit itself after all of the tests have end()'d?
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[01:00] isaacs: aroman: you can add a tearDown function by doing tap.tearDown(function () { tear down all the things })
[01:00] isaacs: aroman: that could just do process.exit() or something, but typically you want to just server.close() or whatever.
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[01:01] SubStack: I just server.close() before I call tap.end()
[01:01] isaacs: exiting nicely (and not timing out) is a part of testing the program validity, most of the time.
[01:01] isaacs: SubStack: the global harness doesn't need to get end() called on it
[01:01] isaacs: it's implied
[01:01] SubStack: ah
[01:01] SubStack: oh this is some global thing
[01:01] isaacs: SubStack: or do you mean you do tap.test(function (t) { create server, do stuff, server.close(), t.end() }) ?
[01:01] SubStack: I pretty much never test global things ever
[01:01] aroman: oh rock on
[01:02] SubStack: isaacs: I mean the thing you just said
[01:02] aroman: and yeah, I probably *should* be checking my closing logic anyhow :P
[01:02] isaacs: SubStack: it's pretty common to do more like this:  tap = require("tap"); tap.test("setup", set up the things); tap.test("make ure the things work"...); tap.tearDown(tear down the things)
[01:02] isaacs: the module.exports from tap is the GlobalHarness singleton
[01:03] SubStack: I don't like that style.
[01:03] isaacs: but, running each server in a nested test, that's fine, too
[01:03] isaacs: sure.
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[01:03] isaacs: it's more common when you want to organize tests, and the time to set up and tear down is non-negligible.
[01:03] SubStack: I could see that being useful
[01:04] isaacs: in some joyent-internal cases, the time to set up the server is highly non-negligible.
[01:04] SubStack: right
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[01:04] aroman: isaacs: props for the `--timeout` flag.
[01:04] isaacs: aroman: thanks
[01:04] isaacs: it was a tough call to include nopt in tap
[01:04] isaacs: i think we really do need to split it into tap and tap-core
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[01:18] CIA-101: node: 03isaacs 07v0.6 * r8cca30f 10/ src/node_zlib.cc : (log message trimmed)
[01:18] CIA-101: node: zlib binding cleanup
[01:18] CIA-101: node: * Add assert to prevent parallel writes
[01:18] CIA-101: node: * Embed request object instead of using new/delete
[01:18] CIA-101: node: * Remove unnecessary WorkReqWrap in favor of uv_work_t
[01:18] CIA-101: node: * Use container_of instead of req->data
[01:18] CIA-101: node: Along with 2d8af39accc6e1a863aa60ed80289508f3df50e8 and
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[01:26] ryanrolds_w: I wonder if specifically not hiring people with a spouse/children is against the law.
[01:27] Lingerance: Depends on the laws
[01:27] ryanrolds_w: Yeah, that would probably depend on the state.
[01:27] ryanrolds_w: I will have to research this if I ever start a company and plan to have employees
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[01:28] maxogden: i only want to hire single brogrammers who will stay until midnight and sleep under their desks
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[01:29] ryanrolds_w: That's where I'm at.
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[01:29] SubStack: maxogden: and who will pay for their own energy drinks?
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[01:29] ryanrolds_w: I only want to hire people that have "better" things to do then worry about their code quality.
[01:29] ryanrolds_w: *that don't have better things to do
[01:31] maxogden: SubStack: well obviously i would let monster energy drinks advertise on the side of our building in exchange for free shit
[01:31] ryanrolds_w: Where I work the people that write the worst code are the ones that leave right at 5:30. All of them just happen to have families.
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[01:32] maxogden: ryanrolds_w: do you, your coworkers or your company regularly publish things on github? thats a more important indicator of programmer quality for me than family status
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[01:35] Lorentz: I don't stay after 5pm or so because by then (assuming I started at 9am) my brain is pretty baked and useless from being overworked, so why bother.
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[01:36] kevinohara: I start my day at 5:30a so I can get home to see my fam. I guarantee I put more hours in than most of my peers.
[01:37] context: lorentz: yupe.
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[01:37] SubStack: I don't keep a regular schedule at all and I work from home
[01:37] context: ryanrolds_w: working more != working better. most the time it means working worse, and it doesn't help
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[01:52] torvalamo: dont you people have sugar
[01:52] torvalamo: :P
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[01:55] torvalamo: i would make the bold statement that quality of code and passion for programming are directly related
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[01:57] torvalamo: so those that do clock out at 5.30 may have families, but that doesn't mean they aren't passionate about programming
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[01:57] torvalamo: it just means they have different priorities
[01:57] torvalamo: because they couldn't afford a condom
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[01:58] SubStack: or they didn't compute the conditional probability of a 2% failure rate extended over N sessions correctly
[01:58] SubStack: or sometimes people want children even
[01:58] torvalamo: :o
[01:58] torvalamo: how rude of them
[01:59] WTHpr0: what is the easiest to compile node (I'm doing: git pull && ./configure && make && make install but this recompiles the whole V8 engine aswell ?
[01:59] torvalamo: if you leave out ./configure it won't make a clean install
[02:00] torvalamo: just recompile what's new
[02:00] markq: what's the difference between make clean and running ./configure beforehand then?
[02:00] torvalamo: configure does other stuff too i assume
[02:00] WTHpr0: oh, that was easy :) but won't the git pull remove the configuration ?
[02:00] markq: so ./configure makes it "cleaner"
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[02:01] torvalamo: no idea, i just know ./configure and make clean are the two things that makes it recompile everything
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[02:02] torvalamo: configure configures it and make compiles it based on that config? just a thought :P
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[02:03] torvalamo: and if the configuaration is new then obviously make clean
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[02:04] torvalamo: ryah, any plans to get rid of the python requirement some time in the future?
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[02:10] aroman: torvalamo: you mean ditch waf?
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[02:14] torvalamo: aroman, probably, i have no idea why configure requires python
[02:15] torvalamo: or why it's there
[02:15] torvalamo: at all
[02:15] aroman: torvalamo: http://code.google.com/p/waf/
[02:15] aroman: waf is analogous to autotools 
[02:15] aroman: or CMake or whatever
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[02:17] torvalamo: it's not that important but it is a bit of a pain to have to install python first just for the install of node
[02:17] aroman: torvalamo: well, just the same you'd be installing another build system
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[02:18] aroman: autotools is more common than waf, so you don't even realize that's an explicit dependency
[02:18] tjfontaine: actually the project was renamed autohell
[02:18] torvalamo: i don't understand why a build system is 100% necessary?
[02:19] torvalamo: can't it be done in the makefiles like other apps?
[02:19] aroman: tjfontaine: generally I'd agree
[02:19] tjfontaine: torvalamo: ...
[02:19] aroman: torvalamo: ...
[02:19] aroman: that's exactly what autotools is
[02:19] aroman: (and CMake)
[02:19] tjfontaine: autotools are a way to manage the creation of makefiles
[02:19] torvalamo: so.. it makes makefiles?
[02:19] aroman: yes
[02:20] tjfontaine: cmake and others are also generators
[02:20] aroman: and other things. it's responsible for the `configure` script, and the familiar `make && sudo make install`
[02:20] tjfontaine: waf and gyp are more accurately replacements for make
[02:20] tjfontaine: if my understanding of gyp is right
[02:20] aroman: you COULD write a Makefile by hand, but it's only practical if it's a trivially small project
[02:20] torvalamo: oh
[02:21] torvalamo: then i get it
[02:21] aroman: fwiw I've used all three and found that I prefer CMake > Waf > autotools
[02:21] aroman: but everyone has their own opinions of course
[02:21] tjfontaine: they all suck, no project markup has actually made me enjoy it
[02:22] aroman: tjfontaine: +Infinity
[02:22] tjfontaine: which is sadly why so many exist
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[02:23] aroman: same thing with packaging formats, too.
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[02:23] tjfontaine: I suppose, though thankfully most are just glorified tarballs :)
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[02:24] aroman: tjfontaine: which is why it's funny :P
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[02:25] aroman: "My tar-based format is better than your tar-based format because it's negligibly unique"
[02:25] tjfontaine: heh, indeed
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[02:28] gigafied: any recommendations on a package to use to restart say, express on file changes (for dev env only)
[02:29] gigafied: https://github.com/shimondoodkin/nodejs-autorestart found that, any other alternatives?
[02:30] maxogden: there are like nine billion filewatcher modules on npm
[02:30] maxogden: wait, i believe we hit 10 billion last week
[02:30] isaacs: maxogden: orly?  i thought it was up to 11.
[02:31] maxogden: the only things more popular than filewatcher modules are templating engines and "web frameworks"
[02:31] tjfontaine: this is the internets, it's over9000
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[02:32] chilts: maxogden: and flow control modules :)
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[02:32] maxogden: chilts: oh duh how did i forgot those
[02:32] chilts: heh
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[02:35] gigafied: but i want the bestest… guess I'll just dig through them or man up and write 10 lines of code
[02:37] kerang: in node 0.3.x, http has createClient method that's no longer there in 0.4.x
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[02:37] kerang: what's the proper way of creating http client nowadays?
[02:37] maxogden: use request
[02:38] kerang: ah, so it's just http.request()
[02:38] kerang: thanks
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[02:39] maxogden: i meant https://github.com/mikeal/request but your interpretation is also accurate
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[02:40] bingomanatee: yeah mike's wrapper is quite nice. Pay attention to the .json and .form options - they trigger a lot of useful headers etc. 
[02:41] bingomanatee: I use it to unit test my express stuff.
[02:41] CrawfordComeaux: What would be a reason for using mongoose to connect to mongodb?
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[02:43] joshsmith: ughh I think I'm having trouble grasping async programming
[02:43] jesusabdullah: hacks obviously
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[02:46] luv5ive: hi
[02:46] luv5ive: i'm new to node.js
[02:46] chilts: pquerna: do you know much about the RS Cloud Identity service ... can it be used with Cloud Files and Cloud Servers yet (the docs on those still talk about the v1.1 auth service, rather than Cloud Identity which is v2.0)?
[02:46] chilts: (sorry for the long question) :)
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[02:47] CrawfordComeaux: Any suggestions for how to determine whether or not I should use mongoose?
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[02:48] chilts: luv5ive: welcome :)
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[02:51] aroman: CrawfordComeaux: uh... what?
[02:51] markq: joshsmith: tell me about it
[02:51] joshsmith: I just freaked out about for loops
[02:52] aroman: joshsmith: .each() is your friend.
[02:52] markq: forEach()?
[02:52] CrawfordComeaux: aroman: it was suggested I use Mongoose to connect w/mongodb in my app, but was hoping to find some guidance on determining whether or not I should
[02:52] joshsmith: I did the if (i < length) pattern
[02:53] aroman: CrawfordComeaux: that's like asking "I've been told lawyers make a lot of money, but I'm having trouble figuring out if I should become one"
[02:53] aroman: what's your use case like?
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[02:53] CrawfordComeaux: aroman: I guess I should probably hitting up google for reasons ORM should be used
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[02:53] markq: CrawFordComeaux: mongoose is nice syntactic sugar
[02:53] aroman: CrawfordComeaux: yeah if you don't know the scoop on ORMs, that's definitely something you want to look into
[02:53] chilts: CrawfordComeaux: and there are probably between 5-10 other Mongo client libraries too
[02:54] aroman: the thing about Mongoose is, as markq said, it's mostly cool because of the syntactic sugar.
[02:54] chilts: best way to see if you like them, is to try them ... since everyone has different tastes
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[02:54] CrawfordComeaux: aroman: lots of tiny bits of real-time data flying about via socket.io, most coming from mobile devices...
[02:54] aroman: mongodb being document-based does a lot of things ORMs for RDBMS's do by itself
[02:55] CrawfordComeaux: that's what I liked about it when I first checked it out was the simplicity
[02:55] aroman: CrawfordComeaux: and you need to store this in a persistent database.. why?
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[02:56] markq: CrawfordComeaux: use redis for non-persistant socket.io type stuff
[02:56] aroman: also `var db = {};` works just fine O.o
[02:56] aroman: since Redis is just in-memory anyhow
[02:56] markq: yep exactly
[02:56] CrawfordComeaux: aroman: most of the bits are votes 
[02:58] aroman: okay, well, that does sound like you're going to want to persist it. but my advice to you would be to research ORMs, the ones available for node, redis, mongodb, etc.
[02:58] aroman: scope out your options
[02:58] chjj: it is truly amazing how poorly IE implements js
[02:59] aroman: basically any one of them will do what you want, the question is which is best suited.
[02:59] aroman: and only you can answer that question :)
[02:59] CrawfordComeaux: aroman: tight schedule + this being a prototype = running w/mongoose & persisting just about everything until I've got a proper backend engineer
[03:00] CrawfordComeaux: that's my answer to the question of suitability ;)
[03:00] joshsmith: aroman: where can you point me to read about .each()?
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[03:00] CrawfordComeaux: write it now, write it fast, write it to work...
[03:00] CrawfordComeaux: later on: rewrite it well 
[03:02] aroman: joshsmith: well, if you're just using 'raw' javascript, then you're looking for https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Array/forEach
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[03:02] aroman: there are some libraries that give you lovely async tools for working with data
[03:02] joshsmith: aroman: I read that that's not async somewhere, though
[03:02] joshsmith: yeah, that's really what I need
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[03:02] ben_alman: npm seems to be caching its module list, is "npm cache clean" the way to fix that?
[03:02] ben_alman: or am i looking at the wrong option
[03:03] isaacs: ben_alman: what do you mean "caching its module list"?
[03:03] ben_alman: when i do an npm search foreach i don't see the module i just published
[03:03] ben_alman: called async-foreach
[03:03] isaacs: ben_alman: oh, yeah, search doesn't update all that often.
[03:03] aroman: joshsmith: http://search.npmjs.org/#/underscore and more directly http://documentcloud.github.com/underscore/
[03:03] ben_alman: isaacs: is that something i can clear here? or do i have to wait
[03:03] isaacs: ben_alman: you can `npm cache clean --force` to really thoroughly cleanse, or just `npm view async-foreach`
[03:04] isaacs: ben_alman: rest assured, if the publish worked, it's there.
[03:04] isaacs: someone else with a less recent cache would see it right away.
[03:04] joshsmith: oh, I didn't know underscore was async aroman 
[03:04] markq: or backbone
[03:04] aroman: unless I'm doing that thing where I'm insane again, I think it is.
[03:04] ben_alman: isaacs: ok, thanks. i just didn't want to npm cache clean if i misunderstood its use
[03:05] isaacs: ben_alman: you can always clean the cache.  worst case, it'll make your system slower the next time it fetches.
[03:05] isaacs: it's like a browser cache.
[03:05] ben_alman: sure
[03:05] ben_alman: working now
[03:05] isaacs: great :)
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[03:05] ben_alman: i'm almost ready to publish my build too
[03:05] ben_alman: tool
[03:05] ben_alman: in npm
[03:05] ben_alman: so, yay
[03:06] isaacs: sweet :)
[03:06] CrawfordComeaux: anyone using nowjs? same question as before...how do I determine if it's something I should be using? 
[03:06] ben_alman: isaacs: tbranyen has been working on a cross-os front end to minimatch for globbing
[03:07] ben_alman: (i put him up to it)
[03:07] aroman: joshsmith: though this seems like it's exactly what you want: https://github.com/caolan/async
[03:07] joshsmith: aroman: indeed it does
[03:07] ryanrolds_w: maxogden: I try to regular publish things on github. I'm one of the only people in the company that does. 
[03:07] joshsmith: thanks, dude
[03:08] chilts: ryanrolds_w: which company is that?
[03:08] maxogden: ryanrolds_w: then you work at a sucky company. find a better company! its not a problem with your coworkers families :)
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[03:08] chilts: well, better they can publish _something_ than _nothing_ :)
[03:09] ryanrolds_w: context: I agree. The issue here is that we have a couple people that are PHP developers that aren't putting the effort required to move from PHP to Node.js.
[03:09] isaacs: ben_alman: um... i'm writing miniglob already?
[03:09] isaacs: ben_alman: it's actually just about done.
[03:09] ben_alman: really?
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[03:10] isaacs: if i didn't have a talk to prepare for heroku waza, i probably would have released a new node-glob today.
[03:10] isaacs: yeah
[03:10] ben_alman: can you finish it for tomorrow?
[03:10] isaacs: hahaha
[03:10] ben_alman: because that's when i need it :P
[03:10] isaacs: maybe if the conf is really boring.
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[03:10] isaacs: you can use http://github.com/isaacs/miniglob right now, probably.
[03:10] ben_alman: well, tbranyen's works too… was just waiting on unit tests
[03:10] isaacs: i'm probably going to just take that and call it node-glob 3.0 or whatever.
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[03:10] isaacs: that's funn
[03:10] isaacs: funny
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[03:11] ben_alman: unit tests are fun until you have to deal wih windows
[03:11] isaacs: yeah, i need to finish my tests for it.  i have a script that does what i expect, even on windows, but it's good to get it formalized into a `npm test` script so that i can dev on it more in the future without worrying about breaking it
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[03:12] ben_alman: so like, in your code if you're on windows and the pattern "foo/**/*.js" matches "C:\something\foo\bar\baz.js" does it return "foo\bar\baz.js" or "foo/bar/baz.js" ?
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[03:12] ben_alman: or "C:\something\foo\bar\baz.js"
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[03:12] isaacs: ben_alman: it returns foo/bar/baz.js
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[03:12] ben_alman: ok.
[03:12] ben_alman: that's what i was telling tbranyen to do
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[03:12] ben_alman: because wtf cares about getting windows-looking paths, since path.resolve will "fix" it anyways
[03:12] isaacs: ben_alman: or it could be something like c:/something/foo/bar/baz.js
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[03:13] isaacs: ben_alman: actually, / works for all fs operations anyway
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[03:13] ben_alman: isaacs: interesting
[03:13] isaacs: ben_alman: it *doesn't* work for all command line utils, though.
[03:13] isaacs: only programmatically.
[03:13] isaacs: but like, copy will think that c:/foo is an option
[03:14] isaacs: the really tricky bit came about because \ is a valid path char on unix.
[03:14] ben_alman: when you say "command line utils"
[03:14] isaacs: copy, move, mkdir, etc.
[03:14] ben_alman: oh
[03:14] isaacs: stuff you type into cmd.exe
[03:14] isaacs: copy reads c:/foo as "c: /foo" and then doesn't know what the "/foo" option is.
[03:14] isaacs: and gets upset.
[03:14] ben_alman: so i'm using glob.globSync
[03:15] ben_alman: not async
[03:15] isaacs: yeah, that also will not work.
[03:15] isaacs: globSync is going away, probably.
[03:15] isaacs: it's pretty hazardous anyhow.
[03:15] ben_alman: yeah, so we'll need tbranyen;s
[03:15] ben_alman: hazardous?
[03:15] isaacs: yeah
[03:15] ben_alman: why?
[03:15] isaacs: by necessity, glob does a pretty considerable number of system calls.
[03:15] isaacs: doing that synchronously is kind of awful.
[03:15] ben_alman: yes
[03:15] isaacs: i guess it's not the end of the world at startup time.
[03:16] ben_alman: yeah but if you're writing a blocking utility, async is overkill for coding
[03:16] isaacs: i could have miniglob provide a sync option.
[03:16] ben_alman: that would be very useful
[03:16] isaacs: it's just that it's a lot of duplication of effort.
[03:16] isaacs: basically, you have to write it twice.
[03:16] isaacs: and maintain two parallel implementations.
[03:16] ben_alman: well, consider this
[03:16] isaacs: unless you do it the naive way, and walk the whole tree the first time, then minimatch on it.
[03:16] isaacs: but that's kind of insane.
[03:16] ben_alman: node.js is written primarily for highly concurrent io-driven web applications
[03:17] ben_alman: but globbing is probably most commonly used in command-line utils
[03:17] ben_alman: which oftendon't need to be async
[03:17] ben_alman: doesn't hurt of course, but it does make coding much more complex for simple utils
[03:17] isaacs: specious argument.
[03:17] chjj: i dont know about you, but my command-line tools better scale
[03:17] isaacs: npm is a command line util.
[03:17] chjj: command-line-scale > webscale
[03:18] isaacs: and it's all async.
[03:18] isaacs: why?  because it has to do network stuff anyway, and it means that it can do stuff in parallel.
[03:18] ben_alman: what if it didn't have to do any network stuff
[03:18] isaacs: 
ACTION loves the & operator in bash

[03:18] torvalamo: && makes anything async :P
[03:18] isaacs: torvalamo: just &, not &&.
[03:18] torvalamo: ok
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[03:18] isaacs: but yeah
[03:19] torvalamo: i'm no expert, i just see goodness when i see it
[03:19] isaacs: ben_alman: i did once go through and try to convert a bunch of npm's stuff to use sync fs instead of async, when that landed in node.
[03:19] isaacs: it's actually really nice to have things be asynchronous and functional, once you start thinking in that style.
[03:19] ben_alman: i'm sure
[03:19] isaacs: i can inject functionality wherever, it's very flexible.
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[03:20] isaacs: you can send the program flow in ways that just aren't possible in a sync world.
[03:20] ben_alman: sure
[03:20] isaacs: install two packages at once, clean them both up if one fails, etc.
[03:20] isaacs: stuff that's kind of tricky or slow in sync world, i guess, not "not possible"
[03:20] isaacs: it's all possible, it's software ;)
[03:20] torvalamo: you can't kill anyone!
[03:21] torvalamo: i think
[03:21] ben_alman: tradeoff between current/future flexibility and writing more code
[03:21] ben_alman: there's no way around the fact that in JS, async means more code
[03:21] ben_alman: because everything is by necessity wrapped in a function
[03:21] isaacs: ben_alman: it's easier to do functionality injection in async code.
[03:21] isaacs: ben_alman: check out my node-graceful-fs util.
[03:21] ben_alman: isaacs: it is if that functionality is async
[03:22] ben_alman: if it's sync, it's the same level of complexity
[03:22] isaacs: ben_alman: because it can hijack fs.open and fs.close to not use absurd numbers of open file descriptors, and handle EMFILE errors intelligently.
[03:22] isaacs: but if you're doing an openSync, there's nothing it can do.
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[03:23] isaacs: you actually have *more* power with async code, not less.  it's like a clutch vs an automatic in some ways.
[03:23] ben_alman: i agree
[03:23] ben_alman: much more power
[03:23] isaacs: you can do *stupid* things, for sure.
[03:23] ben_alman: the issue i have is that it feels horribly awkward in javascript
[03:23] isaacs: that feeling is not in javascript.
[03:23] isaacs: the feeling is in you.
[03:24] __cole: YES!
[03:24] isaacs: but of course, like most things in js, the syntax is pretty terrible and ugly.
[03:24] isaacs: whatever.
[03:24] ben_alman: yeah, that
[03:24] isaacs: programming isn't about syntax.
[03:24] isaacs: it's terrible syntax if it's sync, too
[03:24] isaacs: i've spent years in php and bash, js looks pretty nice.
[03:24] isaacs: :)
[03:24] ben_alman: sure.
[03:25] isaacs: anyway, gotta finish this talk.
[03:25] ryanrolds: maxogden: Is it a companies responsibility to make sure a developer keeps their tools sharp?
[03:25] ben_alman: g/l
[03:25] isaacs: you going to waza tomorrow?
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[03:26] __cole: ryanrolds: yes
[03:26] brainproxy: anybody know a resource (like an academic paper or something) which looks at http/REST in view of functional programming concepts, side effects, et al.?
[03:26] ryanrolds: maxogden: The employee I have in mind when I talk about this refuses to read High Preformance Javascript on their own time and doesn't pick up stuff from looking at code other coworkers have written.
[03:27] __cole: tools and programming skills are two different things
[03:27] ryanrolds: __cole: I disagree. It's a developers responsibilty to ensure they are still relevent.
[03:27] __cole: by tools i meant hardware/software
[03:28] AvianFlu: ryanrolds, as somebody who's been a manager in more than one industry, a bad attitude in an employee is one of the worst things you can have
[03:28] AvianFlu: if he or she Just Won't, there ain't dick you can do to improve them
[03:28] __cole: ya, ryanrolds fire him tomrorow
[03:28] __cole: or her
[03:28] __cole: find someone who wants to learn
[03:28] ryanrolds: I will admit I'm not the easiest person to work with, but I love helping people that ask.
[03:29] AvianFlu: you should like, have a talk with the person about their attitude
[03:29] torvalamo: don't do it too much, because most people are average.. and will keep asking you for help
[03:29] ryanrolds: Every time I try to help this person or even ask them a question about some code he wrote I get a shrug.
[03:29] AvianFlu: if you're not just being a dick yourself - if what you want out of the employee has genuine merit - it can be explained if they're not just a dick
[03:29] ryanrolds: And I'm the lead.....
[03:29] AvianFlu: but at the end of the day, sometimes you have to admit a hiring mistake
[03:30] torvalamo: whenever people at work ask me for help i ask them if they googled it.. and they say yes, and then i google it and give them the first relevant article about the problem
[03:30] kerang: ryanrolds: how was he/she hired in the first place? that kind of attitude should've been screened
[03:30] AvianFlu: talk about it with the other people involved in the decision, mabye have a talk with the person about the attitude
[03:30] __cole: ryanrolds: this is someone on your team? or someone you hired?
[03:30] ryanrolds: One issue. This is a friend of mine that I have known for years and I have this job as a result of this person.
[03:30] AvianFlu: it's hard to screen attitude a lot of the time
[03:30] chrisdickinson: ryanrolds: he or she is setting themselves up for future adversity by not seeking to improve.
[03:30] pquerna: chilts: heya
[03:30] chrisdickinson: alternatively, they could be feeling fairly burnt out.
[03:30] pquerna: chilts: yes, tokens from auth 2.0 can be used against existing services
[03:30] AvianFlu: ryanrolds, is there somebody above both of you that you're friendly with
[03:30] AvianFlu: ?
[03:31] AvianFlu: get them to chime in if it's important enough
[03:31] pquerna: chilts: libcloud (in python) uses it for example
[03:31] chilts: pquerna: ah sweet, that's awesome :)
[03:31] ryanrolds: Yeah, another lead and the boss. I need to have a conversation.
[03:31] chilts: am glad that works fine
[03:31] chrisdickinson: how long has this gone on for?
[03:31] __cole: ryanrolds: you could always just tell them about npm. that should change their attitude
[03:31] __cole: imo
[03:31] ryanrolds: Haha.
[03:31] pquerna: chilts: https://github.com/apache/libcloud/blob/trunk/libcloud/common/openstack.py#L166-203
[03:31] chilts: pquerna: thanks for your help ... I'm gonna add RS Clodu stuff to awssum (to go alongside the AWS stuff) :)
[03:32] chrisdickinson: ryanrolds: i ask out of curiosity, just to potentially rule out burnout.
[03:32] ryanrolds: This have been going on for a while, 6 months.
[03:32] chrisdickinson: were they better before?
[03:33] ryanrolds: Yes, but not amazing. We were a PHP shop before.
[03:33] chrisdickinson: (I tried to phrase the above more accurately, but words failed me. apologies for the hulk-speak therapist question.)
[03:33] chilts: pquerna: I think I'll probably skip the auth v1.1 stuff then, since I guess it'll eventually fade away
[03:33] ryanrolds: This really started becoming an issue when be moved to Node.
[03:33] chrisdickinson: hm.
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[03:34] torvalamo: so he's doing javascript with php mindset?
[03:34] isaacs: ryanrolds: beware the "what i have now" bias.
[03:34] ryanrolds: We have a big web client that is all JS. We woudl have him work on the PHP stuff when we could or old projects.
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[03:34] isaacs: ryanrolds: every time i've left a job, even when it sucked, it was good.
[03:34] isaacs: you'er probably not doing them any favors by keeping them.
[03:34] isaacs: 
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[03:34] ryanrolds: isaacs, thanks.
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[03:34] torvalamo: shouldn't you be writing a presentation? :P
[03:35] ryanrolds: Haha. Yeah I should be.
[03:35] torvalamo: i meant isaacs
[03:35] ryanrolds: I have part of it done. ;)
[03:35] ryanrolds: Oh.
[03:35] torvalamo: but you too, eh?
[03:35] ryanrolds: Funny, I have a presentation on Express tomorrow.
[03:35] markq: intro to express?
[03:35] ryanrolds: Yeah.
[03:36] markq: who are you presenting to?
[03:36] ryanrolds: A group of programmers in Eugene, OR.
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[03:36] markq: sounds fun
[03:36] torvalamo: sounds remote
[03:36] ryanrolds: Haha.
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[03:36] chrisdickinson: 
ACTION immediately pictured a mixed group of programmers and coyotes in the audience. 

[03:37] ryanrolds: 2nd largest city in Oregon.
[03:37] chrisdickinson: also, potentially, bears.
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[03:37] torvalamo: 2nd largest city in oregon is like saying you're the 2nd tallest dwarf, isn't it?
[03:37] chrisdickinson: ryanrolds: it's actually the "oregon" that triggered the coyotes thing. not sure why. weird word association.
[03:38] chrisdickinson: 
ACTION is in kansas, so he cannot speak about remote-ness.

[03:38] pquerna: chilts: yes, at this point you can just use 2.0 as a end user;  Also, you can use auth.api.racskpacecloud.com -- don'y need to use the identity endpoint, they both have 2.0
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[03:38] kickingvegas: ryanrolds: does this guy have any formal CS knowledge? imho, ajax clients and REST servers are widening the divide in web development between those that have it and those that don't .
[03:38] ryanrolds: torvalamo: Yeah, he may be writting PHP in JS.
[03:39] torvalamo: that's an hour since i said that...
[03:39] markq: so going back to the intro video after forever...wasn't @ryah's talk a slap in the face for PHP people?
[03:39] ryanrolds: Yeah.
[03:39] ryanrolds: It was pretty funny.
[03:39] torvalamo: which talk
[03:40] kerang: history of node talk?
[03:40] markq: "Windows is very important. Just like php."
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[03:40] ryanrolds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo_B4LTHi3I
[03:40] kerang: i thought it slapped rails more
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[03:41] ryanrolds: I wonder how many people that talk turned on to Node.js
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[03:41] markq: it's like walking up to a caveman and showing him a lighter
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[03:42] torvalamo: he'd kill you for being weird
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[03:42] markq: all the cavemans attacks...
[03:42] markq: attack*
[03:42] markq: "Fire. Must. Come. From. Wood!!!"
[03:42] torvalamo: but luckily with node you can have 40.000 concurrent cavemen, and put them on hold, so you're safe
[03:43] torvalamo: "hang on i just gotta do this other thing first..." then you run away and they can't do anything until you stop running, because you're running synchronously
[03:43] ryanrolds: kickingvegas: He is familure with AJAX. Our web client (all JS) is still using only AJAX (no sockiet.io yet) and he has worked on that some. He also done other stuff with AJAX. Some of the biggest issues I have been seeing are problems with callbacks and dealing with some of the quirks of JS and ignoring normal ways of improving in browser performance.
[03:44] markq: lolz
[03:45] ryanrolds: I have tried to get him to stop performing the same long lookups a donzen times in a function, but he keeps commiting the same code.
[03:46] kickingvegas: ryanrolds: well, as the saying goes "if you can't fire him promote him up."
[03:46] ryanrolds: We could use another QA person, but that's just as detail oriented.
[03:47] markq: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_JKb61EalQ
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[03:48] markq: I can't find the presentation in Berlin though
[03:48] markq: on youtube
[03:48] dark: can I use jquery $.ajax on node.js command line? It... isn't calling my success: callback
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[03:53] ryanrolds: dark: Are you using one of the jquery modules?
[03:53] djMax: is there a way to synchronously wait on a key in command line node utils?
[03:54] ryanrolds: djMax: Don't believe so. Most/all of the build in sync stuff is for files.
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[03:55] djMax: ok
[03:55] ryanrolds: djMax: What are you trying to do? Any reason looking at data event wont work?
[03:56] djMax: I'm iterating over an array and printing out some stuff, but in certain cases I'd like to stop and ask for input
[03:56] djMax: I'm sure I could bend my head a little and rework it, but it's just a quick script so I was hoping for a quick fix
[03:57] djMax: how does one typically "pause" an iteration and then pick it up where you left off after a callback?
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[04:00] ryanrolds: djMax: You could write something that process the next item when you call a function like 'next()'. If the item being processed requires some input you don't call next() until the input is recieved.
[04:01] dark: no. just var $ = require('jquery'). actually.. it is calling the error handler.. http://javascript.pastebin.pk/791
[04:01] djMax: and next just has a counter in its closure or is there some cuter enumerator type thing for arrays?
[04:01] dark: but actually. I don't want a request with xmlhttprequest header.. I want a regular http request. maybe require('http')?
[04:02] ryanrolds: Don't know if you need a closure, but you have the idea.
[04:02] djMax: ok, thanks
[04:02] dark: I like jquery interface though .-.
[04:02] ryanrolds: Yeah.
[04:02] djMax: I should say "scope" i suppose, not closure
[04:02] ryanrolds: dark: http.request() is what you're looking for.
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[04:02] hij1nx: join regexp
[04:02] hij1nx: oops
[04:03] hij1nx: anyone know any good rooms in irc for regexp?
[04:03] markq: lol
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[04:03] hij1nx: #regexp looks pretty sad
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[04:03] ryanrolds: What's the question? Someone here may be able to help?
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[04:03] dark: hij1nx, I ask regex questions on #sed
[04:04] hij1nx: dark: nice
[04:04] djMax: I wonder when there will be a quantum leap in regex syntax.
[04:04] dark: hij1nx, but actually. you may ask here, I think I can help
[04:04] djMax: Like "here are a couple positives and a couple negatives - go figure it out"
[04:04] hij1nx: dark: ok i'll gist it up
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[04:05] hij1nx: dark https://gist.github.com/1592949
[04:05] hij1nx: i'll PM you as to not get too OT
[04:06] azakai|2: node doesn't accept arguments like         node -disable-crankshaft      even though the v8 shell d8 does. Is there some alternative syntax in node perhaps? (-crankshaft does show up in the node help, and -crankshaft works, but not -disable-crankshaft)
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[04:15] xuyuan: hello node
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[04:16] markq: what exactly does express-mongoose do?
[04:16] abraxas: has anyone here had any success with asynchronous try/catch modules, combined with modules like node-mysql, etc?
[04:16] legind: markq: I believe it makes it possible to store session data in mongo
[04:17] jamescarr: legind, it is possible
[04:17] jamescarr: see MongoStore
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[04:17] xxiao: npm WARN nodeunit@0.5.1 package.json: bugs['web'] should probably be bugs['url']
[04:17] ryanrolds: That's common
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[04:17] xxiao: To install with C++ bson parser do <npm install mongodb --mongodb:native>
[04:17] ryanrolds: Don't worry about it.
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[04:18] xxiao: why do I need C+= bson?
[04:18] xxiao: C++
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[04:18] xxiao: var mongo=require('mongodb'); undefined -->is this typical?
[04:18] xxiao: i failed to get connection.insert to work
[04:19] xxiao: collection.insert()
[04:19] jamescarr: insert?
[04:19] jamescarr: oh, hahah
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[04:19] jamescarr: I never used the mongodb module directly
[04:19] jamescarr: I always use mongoose
[04:19] xxiao: i c
[04:19] xxiao: i see
[04:19] markq: brave to be using it directly
[04:19] markq: mongoose
[04:19] xxiao: let me try mongoose then
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[04:20] legind: anyone know what the convention is in npm for conditional dependency? e.g. if you need either mongoose or db-mysql to be installed
[04:21] markq: you mean to put in package.json?
[04:21] legind: yes
[04:21] jamescarr: markq, heh, I had to crack mongoose open to use GridStore
[04:21] jamescarr: mongoose.mongo.GridStore :)
[04:21] legind: yikes, that seems like a jog around the block
[04:21] legind: mongoose.mongo is just the handler for the native driver 
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[04:24] markq: i saw conditional dependencies somewhere...can't find it right now though
[04:25] markq: i <3 gridstore
[04:25] xxiao: maybe someday node shell can replace bash?
[04:25] legind: I could just use an install script and reference it in package.jjson
[04:25] legind: but I'm not sure if that's the convention
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[04:26] Lingerance: <xxiao> maybe someday node shell can replace bash? <-- I really wouldn't want it to.  There's a bunch of things that bash does much more easily.
[04:26] Lingerance: Same case with Python and Ruby shells.
[04:27] RLa: not replace but be alternative
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[04:28] RLa: and i think you can do that already now
[04:28] markq: legind: I think that's the way to do it
[04:29] RLa: just add #!/usr/bin/env node at the start of your shell script and write code :)
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[04:33] ben_alman: i must be doing something wrong
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[04:33] ben_alman: i'll play with it more tomorrow.
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[04:47] jamescarr: has anyone made some simple caching mechanism in node.js? Kinda like ehcahce?
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[04:47] jamescarr: basically looking for something that can be configured to overflow to disk, with element TTL and expiration/evictions
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[04:49] isaacs: jamescarr: i haven't seen anything like that
[04:49] jamescarr: isaacs, hmph. Think I might set to work on it then
[04:49] isaacs: ben_alman: got a test that fails?
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[04:49] isaacs: jamescarr: that'd be rad
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[04:49] Lingerance: jamescarr: Ext.data.Cache from my node port might work.
[04:49] jamescarr: I use ehcache and libmemcached on lots of stuff, I'd like to have it in node land :)
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[04:50] isaacs: jamescarr: i write a little lru cache that i use for some things, but it's highly un-fancy
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[04:50] Lingerance: You'll have to listen for an even to do the write-to-disk but it'll hold either: X items or items not older than X.
[04:50] isaacs: no ttl, no disk overflow, no expirations
[04:50] jamescarr: Lingerance, cool, I'll take a look
[04:50] Lingerance: One sec
[04:51] Lingerance: https://github.com/RobinStamer/Node.ExtJS/blob/master/data/Cache.js
[04:51] Lingerance: If you want an example I can whip one up for you.
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[04:53] jamescarr: sure
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[04:56] jamescarr: oh man... got to go read the npm docs again :)
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[04:59] jamescarr: have gone too long without releasing a node module
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[05:02] nickdc: So I'm thinking of switching my realtime graphing app API from Zend to Node.js. I assume Node can scale a lot better when 1000 people are sending data points every second? lol
[05:03] jamescarr: speaking of scaling, anyone using the new cluster module?
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[05:04] xxiao: nickdc: i was told node.js does not scale on multi-core system?
[05:04] Lingerance: jamescarr: https://github.com/RobinStamer/Node.ExtJS/blob/master/examples/cache.js
[05:04] jamescarr: I hacked a little toy server together today on my laptop during a meeting
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[05:04] jamescarr: xxiao, http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/cluster.html ?
[05:04] nickdc: I have heard something similar I believe, but a cluster as jamescarr said may be the trick I need
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[05:06] xxiao: jamescarr: not sure if i will call that scalable, for anything you can put them in many threads to 'scale'
[05:06] nickdc: so clusters actually run on the same system?
[05:06] xxiao: it just shows nodejs itself does not scale in multi-core system
[05:06] jamescarr: xxiao, that was only in response to the multiple cores statement
[05:07] jamescarr: cluster is part of node.js core
[05:07] jamescarr: it just shows it doesn't do it transparently
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[05:07] nickdc: would it be smart to maybe put a few machines running node behind a load balancer on AWS for example?
[05:08] xxiao: nickdc: i think that's the way to go
[05:08] jamescarr: nickdc, sure
[05:08] jamescarr: nickdc, that's what I do
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[05:08] nickdc: ok that's probably what I'll be needing to do :)
[05:08] jamescarr: nickdc, you can also load balance your websockets
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[05:08] jamescarr: npm adduser jamescarr
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[05:08] jamescarr: wrong window
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[05:09] isaacs: jamescarr: just `npm adduser`
[05:09] isaacs: no args necessary
[05:09] jamescarr: yeah
[05:09] isaacs: jamescarr: I mean, um...
[05:09] isaacs: Password:
[05:09] isaacs: ;P
[05:10] nickdc: lol
[05:10] jamescarr: ha
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[05:10] nickdc: phishing at a whole new level
[05:10] jamescarr: isaacs, you know what I love? How fucking easy it is to publish a package to npm
[05:10] jamescarr: you know how long it takes to get stuff published to maven cetnral!?
[05:10] ryanrolds: ^
[05:10] jamescarr: *maven central
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[05:11] tbranyen: a few seconds?
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[05:12] jamescarr: tbranyen, I mean if you never published to it before :)
[05:13] jamescarr: tbranyen, https://docs.sonatype.org/display/Repository/Sonatype+OSS+Maven+Repository+Usage+Guide :)
[05:15] jamescarr: tbranyen, don't you work with github?
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[05:15] tbranyen: jamescarr: bocoup in boston
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[05:15] jamescarr: ah
[05:16] tbranyen: i'm a backbone.js peep ^_^
[05:16] jamescarr: ah!
[05:16] jamescarr: that's where I saw you before
[05:16] jamescarr: the room for backbone.js
[05:17] tbranyen: #documentcloud yea
[05:17] chrisdickinson: belatedly: +1 on ease of publishing on npm.
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[05:17] chrisdickinson: (coming from python, where setup.py and pip rule everything around me, for better or worse.)
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[05:28] jamescarr: ah, it's out there, and it works. Gonna have to add some test coverage and do some refactoring
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[05:29] Lingerance: What's out there?
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[05:33] jamescarr: Lingerance, https://github.com/surety-bonds/express-pagination
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[05:33] jamescarr: a guy who does work for a company I freelance for wrote it in one of our projects. Just extracted his code out and open sourced it
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[05:33] jamescarr: the code needs some test coverage and heavy refactoring, but it DOES work
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[05:35] context: did the company say you could do that
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[05:36] jamescarr: they're fine :)
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[05:44] nickdc: where is socket.io.js installed for the client side to use on a windows box?
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[05:45] nickdc: is it the one in socket.io\lib\socket.io.js ? 
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[05:47] context: socket.io serves up the file
[05:47] context: the site shows how to use it
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[05:48] context: but it doesn't look like there is a single file it serves up. its many
[05:49] kerang: maxogden: thanks for the pointer to mikeal's request... works well, but i wonder what object is being returned from request(url)...
[05:49] nickdc: yea I'd rather have socket.io serve it up
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[05:50] PastorBones: in Express is it possible to inject html elements during page rendering?
[05:50] PastorBones: well, after it's rendered but before sent to browser?
[05:51] context: uhh the server doesn't render html
[05:51] PastorBones: yeah I know Jade does...just wondering if it's possible to do this
[05:51] context: jade generates html
[05:51] t4nk073: question in express we are using bodyparser and for a certain post we want to get the raw request and not have it parsed.  looking for ideas please
[05:51] context: it doesn't render it
[05:52] PastorBones: the command is res.render()
[05:52] PastorBones: not res.generate P
[05:52] PastorBones: :P
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[05:52] warz: i think the terminology used by express is compile
[05:53] PastorBones: ok, you say tomatoe I say tomato...is it possible to intercept the 'compiled' html before being sent to the browser and inject stuff like stylesheets in the <head>?
[05:53] context: pastorbones: you'd have to ask your question a little different... you can load it in dom.js, make your changes, and re-render it, and waste a lot of time
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[05:53] context: pastorbones: or just put whatever in the html tempalte to begin with
[05:54] context: pastorbones: why isn't your template putting whatever stylesheets it needs in it already?
[05:54] context: or add some helper method to add said stylesheets in if they are needed
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[05:54] warz: if you're scraping somebody elses html, and serving it back up with modifications, then you could just wrap the compile method used by the template engine
[05:54] warz: and modify the compiled markup
[05:54] PastorBones: that's what I'm doing, making a module to add stylesheets, scripts, keywords, etc...but want to be able to do it per app.get() statement
[05:54] warz: but like context said, if youre already using an engine
[05:54] warz: why not just it in the template
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[05:55] context: pastorbones: use something like dom.js to 'render' the html, then you can use jquery or manual dom selectors and inject whatever you want
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[05:55] context: well, he asked a question then brought up jade, which had nothing to do with what he was doing, or related to anything he really wanted or needed
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[05:56] context: mmmm. what is the dom library node people use :x
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[05:56] context: as if their arent 500 of them
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[05:57] PastorBones: jsdom is the one I know of
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[05:57] context: there we dgo !
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[05:57] context: i was looking at domjs which is almost a year old
[05:58] context: pastorbones: id use jsdom to render the html, and inject away to you're hearts desires
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[05:59] PastorBones: na, you're right...waste of time really...was thinking of packaging this module for others to use and was trying to simplify it some by not having them need to edit the layout differently
[05:59] context: huh?
[05:59] context: so... you want people to add shit to their site by editing code instead of just editing their own template?
[05:59] PastorBones: :) I'll make a gist
[05:59] context: that doesn't even make sense
[06:00] t4nk073: question in express we are using bodyparser and for a certain post we want to get the raw request and not have it parsed.  looking for ideas please
[06:00] context: t4nk073: you asked that like 45 seconds ago
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[06:01] klemenes: what test framework do you use? 
[06:01] SubStack: tap!
[06:02] ryanrolds: t4nk073: You are going to have to create a middleware for that.
[06:02] RLa: vows here
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[06:02] Shaunzie: mocha/should
[06:02] context: t4nk073: chek http.IncomingMessage
[06:02] context: t4nk073: express Request extends from that.
[06:03] context: t4nk073: https://github.com/visionmedia/express/blob/master/lib/request.js
[06:03] context: you could see that in the source for express
[06:03] t4nk073: thanks
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[06:04] ryanrolds: Beaware that source isn't released.
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[06:05] context: t4nk073: looks like it has headers {} but i dont see the full raw request saved
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[06:05] ryanrolds: Correct
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[06:05] ryanrolds: raw body used to be saved, but that changed a while back
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[06:06] ryanrolds: In fact I made the change, I think.
[06:06] wingie: where is functions for strings http://documentcloud.github.com/underscore/ ?
[06:07] ryanrolds: Er, doh. I didn't make that change. I made the default to {} change.
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[06:07] t4nk073: build a middleware and use app.use makes the most sense
[06:07] ryanrolds: But yeah, raw body is not longer available. If you need it you have to create a middlware.
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[06:15] jamescarr: holy cow
[06:15] jamescarr: http://www.orau.org/ptp/collection/atomictoys/GilbertU238Lab.htm
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[06:15] jamescarr: A science kit that came with uranium samples
[06:15] jamescarr: and a government guide on how to prospect for uranium
[06:15] jamescarr: LOL
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[06:23] jocafa: can anyone recommend a good adblock hosts file?
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[06:28] PastorBones: context: my gist - https://gist.github.com/1593359
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[06:29] PastorBones: jocafa I have an excellent one, would just have to upload it somewhere
[06:30] PastorBones: oh wait, it's not adblock though...it's modified to put in your hosts file and makes all the ads timeout
[06:32] context: pastorbones: i dont know about you but most people i know just have a set of style sheets and they include all those style sheets in all pages
[06:33] PastorBones: really?
[06:33] context: yeah?
[06:33] PastorBones: I only put global styles in a stylesheet that's included on all pages, like global.css, forms.css
[06:33] jocafa: PastorBones:  that's what i'm looking for. just redirecting to localhost
[06:33] jocafa: 404 all the things!
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[06:33] PastorBones: jocafa: over 16,000 ad url's listed in this file http://www.mediafire.com/?uw0pfid038sbuc8
[06:33] context: pastorbones: why so many different styles for different pages?
[06:34] PastorBones: I don't know
[06:34] PastorBones: cuz the pages look different?
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[06:35] PastorBones: like my chat page doesn't look like my 404 error page besides the 'main' layout of it
[06:35] PastorBones: it has a chatbox on it
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[06:36] context: well 404 and 500 arent really apart of your app are they
[06:36] kerang: does anyone know how mikeal request piping is supposed to handle error? the example and documentation on https://github.com/mikeal/request is not clear
[06:36] context: why are you rendering 404/500 ? just make them static...
[06:36] PastorBones: it was just an example off the top of my head
[06:36] garrensmith: kerang check the code
[06:37] PastorBones: does my methods slow down rendering?
[06:37] kerang: garrensmith: i did, there's a callback that passes error, but for piping, it return a Request that gets piped across, no error handling there
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[06:40] vIkSiT: hello all
[06:40] vIkSiT: beginner advice: i'm trying to stream a file to a number of connected clients
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[06:40] vIkSiT: i'm also using socket.io - is there a better way than run a while loop through the file and broadcast?
[06:41] PastorBones: yeah, nowJS
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[06:41] PastorBones: <3 nowJS
[06:41] purr: Let it be known that PastorBones hearts nowJS.
[06:41] vIkSiT: hmm
[06:41] PastorBones: nowJS is a wrapper for socket.io and allows your client and server to share namespace...works like a dream IMO
[06:41] vIkSiT: interesting
[06:41] vIkSiT: so if i understand it right..
[06:42] vIkSiT: lets say i have a file i want to read line by line, and a function that reads it (by looping over all lines with a while !empty) called readFile()
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[06:42] PastorBones: you can call that function directly in your clientside code
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[06:42] vIkSiT: then using now.js, a client will call its *own* instance of the while()?
[06:42] vIkSiT: so 4 browsers == 4 while loops?
[06:42] SrPx: hey guys, can I use socket.io to communicate between a flash client and node.js?
[06:42] PastorBones: now.readFile(function(line){ document.write(line); })
[06:43] vIkSiT: woo
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[06:44] PastorBones: you can pull from the server clientside or you can push from the server side...nowJS even supports groups (so assign users to groups per streamed file?)
[06:45] context: srpx: pretty sure it supports flash sockets as a transport.
[06:45] jocafa: that's better. hosts + empty 404 and 403 locally.
[06:45] vIkSiT: PastorBones, ah.
[06:45] SrPx: context: what do you mean?
[06:45] context: srpx: http://socket.io/#browser-support the website even says it does.
[06:45] PastorBones: yes it does support flash sockets
[06:45] SrPx: context: hmm good
[06:45] PastorBones: you can pick/choose in the socket.io configuratoin
[06:46] SrPx: context: so just to be sure, I can use Flash's connect, send, receive etc functions without anything else to communicate with node.js and it will work as well as if I was using a javascript client?
[06:47] context: srpx: no. you use socket.io's JS client. socket.io's JS client will use a flash socket.
[06:48] dragon: Flash? Ew.
[06:48] context: srpx: i doubt you will find any examples for using the flash socket directly yourself.
[06:48] context: flash IS pretty worthless... 
[06:48] PastorBones: actually I think it can http://www.simb.net/2011/04/15/flash-in-the-javascript-age/
[06:48] SrPx: context: i think what i need to do can only be done in flash
[06:48] PastorBones: SrPx: nonsense
[06:49] PastorBones: even Adobe is pursuing other avenues besides Flash in the new HTML5 age
[06:49] context: there ou go
[06:49] SrPx: i want to make a webcam chat between 2 people, simple as that, but couldnt find anything for html5?
[06:49] PastorBones: '...allowing for amazing mashups between html and flash clients.'
[06:49] context: srpx: webcam still needs to use flash. you win.
[06:49] SrPx: :/
[06:50] SrPx: damn
[06:50] SomeoneWeird: lol
[06:50] context: srpx: though you are still probably going to need a flash server in the back end to handle the video properly
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[06:50] SrPx: context: everything else is already on node.js / socket.io / javascript. all I need is to send the client's peerid to the flash client
[06:51] PastorBones: there are some js + canvas webcam solutions and here's a opensource JS + Flash webcam thingy http://code.google.com/p/jpegcam/
[06:51] SrPx: hmm interesting
[06:51] context: there is html5 support for webcams in browsers already?
[06:52] PastorBones: NodeJS, websockets, and Android webcams http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjmuwA8l1LQ
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[06:54] context: go android
[06:54] PastorBones: yeah perty neat
[06:54] PastorBones: and running on a cheap/slow laptop at that
[06:55] context: ahh opera-pre has support. 
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[07:00] PastorBones: so what module to use for encrypting passwords??
[07:00] PastorBones: should I just use crypto or is there something better?
[07:01] vIkSiT: PastorBones, have you used nowjs with socket.io?
[07:02] PastorBones: well nowjs wraps socket.io, you only need the one
[07:02] PastorBones: and I've built a chatroom with it
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[07:03] SrPx: weelll
[07:03] SrPx: the problem is that
[07:03] vIkSiT: oh awesome!
[07:03] SrPx: how would i send the image to the other client?
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[07:03] SrPx: flash already has a built in solution for this
[07:03] SrPx: ;x
[07:04] context: so use it
[07:04] context: use both ?
[07:04] SrPx: yep
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[07:04] SrPx: ill use flash just for the webcam
[07:04] SrPx: just need to send the clients peerid to the flash client, think ill make a hppd request from flash
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[07:06] SrPx: http.createServer(function (req, res) { res.writeHead(200, {'Content-Type': 'text/plain'}); res.end('Hello World\n'); }).listen(1337, "127.0.0.1");
[07:06] SrPx: this will create a http server that resposts with hello world, right? how can I get the ip of the client inside that callback function?
[07:06] vIkSiT: PastorBones, what would you reocmmend as a good way to track connected clients using nowjs?
[07:07] PastorBones: nowjs assigns a clientId whenever someone connects, but for the chat I found that wasn't that great as someone could join the chat multiple times
[07:07] PastorBones: new clientId with each connection
[07:07] PastorBones: so now I generate a unique ID string when they join and pass that through as a way of identifying them
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[07:07] PastorBones: but you need the clientId also in order to identify them to nowJs
[07:07] vIkSiT: PastorBones, examples of that clientID generation btw?
[07:07] vIkSiT: is that the user object?
[07:08] vIkSiT: ah this.user
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[07:08] PastorBones: this is what I use: var sha1 = crypto.createHash('sha1'); sha1.update(req.sessionID); var sessId = sha1.digest('hex');
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[07:09] PastorBones: just base it off of the req.sessionID, but prolly not good practice and I'll prolly introduce a salt of some kind
[07:10] PastorBones: oh yeah, clientId is everyone.now(function(){ this.user.clientId })
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[07:10] PastorBones: and to get an instance of their connection (Send only to them) it's nowjs.getClient(clientId, function(){})
[07:11] PastorBones: then you could do this.now.functionName() to call a function on their client within the scope of that ^
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[07:18] jamescarr: doh... I have an app that is blocking somewhere
[07:18] jamescarr: is there a tool to find out where the app is being blocked at?
[07:19] jamescarr: or do I have to litter code with console.log till I find it? :)
[07:19] tuhoojabotti: node-inspectir
[07:19] tuhoojabotti: or*
[07:19] tuhoojabotti: i think it has experimental profiler
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[07:23] jamescarr: ejs.compile is blocking
[07:23] jamescarr: huh
[07:24] SrPx: guys. nobody?
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[07:24] SrPx: how do I get the client's ip on a http request?
[07:24] tuhoojabotti: req.headers.host?
[07:24] SrPx: let me see
[07:25] tuhoojabotti: SrPx: Protip: dump req and unveil ALL THE MYSTERIES
[07:25] SrPx: dump req what? lol
[07:25] jamescarr: console.log(req); he means
[07:25] tuhoojabotti: .dir
[07:25] tuhoojabotti: well
[07:26] jamescarr: I do it often to rummage around and find what I want
[07:26] tuhoojabotti: and node script.js > file
[07:26] tuhoojabotti: and read it
[07:26] tuhoojabotti: profit
[07:26] tuhoojabotti: no ???
[07:26] SrPx: oh
[07:26] SrPx: ssweeet
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[07:28] PastorBones: lol, he has been enlightened with var dumping
[07:28] PastorBones: what's the diff between dir and log? I always use .log
[07:29] tuhoojabotti: PastorBones: Dir uses util.inspect on the object
[07:29] tuhoojabotti: log uses toString
[07:29] PastorBones: is that why deep nests always just show {Object}
[07:29] tuhoojabotti: I think yes
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[07:29] PastorBones: oh cool, I'm using .dir from now on
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[07:32] ady_: hi guys .. trying to get a connection going to posgtres but failing with an EINVAL exception can anyone help?
[07:33] ady_: Error: connect EINVAL     at errnoException (net.js:614:11) is what the error says
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[07:37] PastorBones: ady_ what version of node are you runnin?
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[07:38] context: ad7six: pastie code with error
[07:38] disappea_: I constantly find myself littering this all over my code: _.chain(this.users).values().each(function(user) { user.notifyState('END'); }); 
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[07:51] SrPx: my apache server is running normally on port 80. my node.js server is running on port 8080 and I can make http requests from firefox on localhost. no port is blocked but nobody can access it. any idea?
[07:52] SrPx: 20 mins on this going nuts
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[07:57] PastorBones: nobody can acces your nodeJS?
[07:57] SrPx: oh god, help ! even this:  io = require('socket.io').listen(8080); is making http://www.canyouseeme.org/ confirm that port 8080 is open and responding, but opening a http server doesnt!
[07:58] PastorBones: what port is NodeJS running on?
[07:58] disappea_: Anyone know why I am getting this error? https://gist.github.com/913c3aad1818e57cf17d 
[07:59] disappea_: and line 14 's this is referring to engine 
[07:59] PastorBones: context he posted what you were asking for ^^
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[08:03] nail_: disappea_: should be arguments, not this.arguments
[08:03] disappea_: yeah I just caught it thanks
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[08:17] disappea_: Is there a way to unwrap an array like [1, 'a', 'c'] to a function (a, b, c) so that a=1, b='a', c='c'? 
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[08:19] slaskis: disappea_: like fn. apply(null,arr) ?
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[08:22] zomg: Sounds exactly what he's asking =)
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[08:24] disappea_: Do you think I am overkilling something here http://paste.pocoo.org/show/533242/
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[08:25] maxogden: are you a ruby programmer
[08:25] [AD]Turbo: hi there
[08:25] disappea_: well is it because of to_a 
[08:25] disappea_: it's not a big dela 
[08:25] disappea_: I can't believe nodejs DOESN"T have something like this
[08:27] zomg: disappea_: does that call a function on all members of an array or something?
[08:27] disappea_: yeah 
[08:27] disappea_: yeah i am just applying a function to a list of members
[08:28] zomg: So uh, why not just use arr.map or .forEach or whatever?
[08:28] disappea_: Oh wait isnt' that just like each? 
[08:28] maxogden: zomg: <3 underscore
[08:28] zomg: each?
[08:28] zomg: as in jquery each?
[08:28] zomg: or?
[08:29] zomg: maxogden: standard js has those too ;)
[08:29] disappea_: each also is an alias 
[08:29] disappea_: for forEach fyi in underscore
[08:29] zomg: Ah
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[08:29] zomg: Yeah probably the same as forEach then 
[08:29] SubStack: tacking members onto the Object prototype without also making them unenumerable is a really bad idea
[08:29] SubStack: I mean it's also a bad idea anyways
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[08:29] zomg: It is a bit verbose though I guess if you just want to call a member of each item
[08:29] maxogden: double bad!
[08:29] SubStack: but it's an even more bad idea that way
[08:30] SubStack: INDEED DOUBLE PLUS BAD
[08:30] disappea_: zomg: well yeah so the reason I wrote that is because I cannot get everyone easily.
[08:30] slaskis: bad^1000
[08:30] disappea_: everyone is basically _.chain(this.users).values().each(.. 
[08:30] maxogden: node point javascript rule 31: dont extend native prototypes
[08:30] disappea_: I took it out already
[08:30] SubStack: check this:
[08:30] zomg: I don't see why extending native props is such a bad idea, unless you're writing a library
[08:30] zomg: I mean if it's your code, whatever
[08:30] SubStack: .. Object.prototype.what = 5; var res = []; for (var key in { a : 5 }) res.push(key); res
[08:30] zomg: =)
[08:30] catb0t:  [ "a", "what" ]
[08:31] SubStack: that's why it's a bad idea
[08:31] disappea_: I took that out already
[08:31] maxogden: i can just do meth
[08:31] SubStack: I mean, that's one reason why it's a bad idea
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[08:31] maxogden: its my body, whatever
[08:31] zomg: maxogden: exactly
[08:31] maxogden: node point javascript: doesnt do meth
[08:31] zomg: If you implement it correctly so it doesn't break things like what SubStack mentioned above I don't really see the issue
[08:31] zomg: but if you do that in a library
[08:31] slaskis: oh, that's how you bot script now a days?
[08:31] zomg: you should be hanged
[08:31] zomg: =)
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[08:32] slaskis: maxogden: which rule is that?
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[08:32] SubStack: global side effects are bad
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[08:32] maxogden: slaskis: thats a praxis
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[08:33] maxogden: ryan delivered the 83 node praxi on the server on the mount
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[08:33] slaskis: fantastic
[08:34] maxogden: zomg: if you create artificial barriers between 'writing libraries' and writing 'other code' then you will probably write less libraries. how many node modules have you published?
[08:34] torvalamo: 2!
[08:34] torvalamo: a year ago... no updates
[08:34] torvalamo: :p
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[08:34] maxogden: #winning
[08:34] SubStack: I've written several of those.
[08:34] zomg: maxogden: assuming I had written something that was useful to someone else besides the immediate needs of my application, I might have =)
[08:35] SubStack: EVERYTHING is useful to somebody
[08:35] SubStack: you just might not know who they are yet
[08:35] torvalamo: well i've seen a lot of awful crap published in my life
[08:35] SubStack: I'm surprised by the crazy crap people do with my modules
[08:35] zomg: Let me rephrase: If I wanted to publish the code I wrote I would have :p
[08:36] SubStack: for example, curl -sSN surrender-cube.nodejitsu.com
[08:37] maxogden: mostly i ask for peoples github accounts so i can judge their code quality but when you never publish anything it makes it hard to determine whether or not you are full of yams
[08:38] zomg: www.github.com/jhartikainen <- Some of my boring non-nodejs code is there =)
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[08:38] zomg: More or less experimental things so I dunno about the quality :P
[08:38] chilts: I must admit, writing my current application, I'm amazed at how many other modules I can publish
[08:39] chilts: amazed in a good way, not a shocked way
[08:39] zomg: I could publish maybe one
[08:39] zomg: The rest is completely specific to my application
[08:39] chilts: which also means it's all decoupled from what I'm writing too, so that's a winner :)
[08:39] chilts: I think that's the biggest bonus to publishing modules
[08:39] zomg: Unless I was to publish the entire application, the rest is pretty worthless
[08:39] chilts: I fail to believe that :)
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[08:40] zomg: Would you like an acl module which only works in the specific context of my application?
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[08:40] zomg: or perhaps express middleware which also only works in the specific circumstances? =)
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[08:41] zomg: The main useful thing I could publish is a protocol handler for the Battlefield 3 remote admin protocol, and a higher level abstraction on top of that
[08:41] zomg: I suppose someone might find that useful
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[08:42] zomg: The rest of the application mainly works around that to provide a user interface
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[08:55] HardPhuck: I'm developing a registration form for a website, what is the recommended way to store passwords (I'm using mongodb)
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[08:57] tek: damn couchdb is taking forever to compile from source :/ think ill be giving that VM access to more resources after this :/
[08:57] torvalamo: compiling it on a wristwatch?
[08:57] torvalamo: :P
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[08:58] tek: nah, a KVM VM but it only has access to 1 2Ghz core and 1Gb ram... another 3 cores available and 7Gb ram... might as well feed it more
[08:58] stagas: HardPhuck: take a look at the crypto core module
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[08:58] HardPhuck: I have, are there any examples out there?
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[08:59] chilts: pquerna: got my Cloud Identity service done (only two operations) ... will be moving on to one of the other services tomorrow :)
[08:59] chilts: sorry, I shouldn't bug you with status updates
[09:00] stagas: HardPhuck: dunno, password_to_store = crypto.createHmac('sha1', 'some secret key').update(incoming_password).digest('hex') should do it
[09:00] HardPhuck: thanx!
[09:00] zomg: HardPhuck: use bcrypt
[09:01] zomg: bcrypt is so slow it takes forever to bruceforce the hash while you can bruteforce sha1 pretty quickly, even if you have salt
[09:01] CIA-101: node: 03Andreas Madsen 07master * rc8108aa 10/ (lib/cluster.js test/simple/test-child-process-internal.js): child_process: fix typo in internal message event name - http://git.io/ZoBhZQ
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[09:01] zomg: Thus you want bcrypt. There is a better explanation of it on the internets if you're curious =)
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[09:04] HardPhuck: yeah I found some stuff on bcrypt
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[09:09] tmske: I have some string data like this: "a:0,1,2,3|b:4,5,6,c:0,2", can someone point me in the direction to convert this to an object {a:[0,1,2], b:[4,5,6], c:[0,2]}. I'm trying this now with underscore.map but this returns an array instead of an object
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[09:10] torvalamo: the , before the c is it supposed to be |?
[09:11] zomg: tmske: no way to change the data source so it produces some sensible format? :P
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[09:11] chilts: tmske: you'll need a _.forEach() in there too
[09:11] tmske: zomg: no I'm afraid not :-)
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[09:13] lowerkey: Greetings. In the following code ( http://pastebin.com/FxmcJ5t0 http://pastebin.com/h658nw1z ) the values of the database, of which the server code tells me there is one, isn't rendered 
[09:13] torvalamo: var obj, str = "a:0,1,2,3|b:4,5,6|c:0,2"; str.split('|').forEach(function(e) {var a = e.split(':'); obj[a[0]] = a[1].split(',')})
[09:13] torvalamo: tmske
[09:13] torvalamo: .. var obj, str = "a:0,1,2,3|b:4,5,6|c:0,2"; str.split('|').forEach(function(e) {var a = e.split(':'); obj[a[0]] = a[1].split(',')}); obj
[09:13] catb0t:  Exception: TypeError: Cannot set property 'a' of undefined
[09:13] torvalamo: oh
[09:14] lowerkey: The example is using express and the embedded js templating engine
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[09:14] chilts: tmske: https://gist.github.com/1593849
[09:14] chilts: I think it's similar to torvalamo's one (but he beat me) :)
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[09:15] torvalamo: that's exactly what i wrote
[09:15] torvalamo: save for some variable names
[09:15] torvalamo: :P
[09:15] torvalamo: but i got an error
[09:15] torvalamo: dunno why
[09:15] chilts: yeah ... sorry, did it independently then pasted, then saw yours :)
[09:16] tmske: torvalamo, chilts: thanks
[09:16] chilts: still, good to try these things out as a quick test of mental agility :)
[09:16] CIA-101: libuv: 03Daisuke Murase 07master * re8494dd 10/ src/unix/core.c : 
[09:16] CIA-101: libuv: unix: use EVRUN_ONCE in uv_run_once()
[09:16] CIA-101: libuv: EVRUN_NOWAIT means "poll and don't block". Use EVRUN_ONCE instead, "wait for
[09:16] CIA-101: libuv: single event". - http://git.io/pJczAg
[09:16] torvalamo: do you see the error?
[09:16] torvalamo: cuz i don't
[09:16] torvalamo: :/
[09:16] chilts: tmske: from where are you getting data like that?
[09:17] chilts: torvalamo: yeah, I can't see it yet
[09:17] stagas: torvalamo: var obj = {}
[09:17] tmske: arcgis tracing module
[09:17] torvalamo: .. var obj = {}, str = "a:0,1,2,3|b:4,5,6|c:0,2"; str.split('|').forEach(function(e) {var a = e.split(':'); obj[a[0]] = a[1].split(',')}); obj
[09:17] catb0t:  { a:[ "0", "1", "2", "3" ], b:[ "4", "5", "6" ], c:[ "0", "2" ] }
[09:17] torvalamo: ah
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[09:17] chilts: torvalamo: you want obj = {}
[09:17] chilts: yeah, that :)
[09:17] lowerkey: Could someone take a look at ( http://pastebin.com/FxmcJ5t0 http://pastebin.com/h658nw1z ) and tell me why the views aren't rendering the values from the db?
[09:17] chilts: heh, I'm slow tonight
[09:17] torvalamo: .. var obj = {}, str = "a:0,1,2,3|b:4,5,6|c:0,2"; str.split('|').forEach(function(e) {var a = e.split(':'); obj[a[0]] = a[1].split(',').map(parseInt)}); obj
[09:17] catb0t:  { a:[ 0, NaN, NaN, NaN ], b:[ 4, NaN, NaN ], c:[ 0, NaN ] }
[09:17] torvalamo: hm
[09:18] torvalamo: .. var obj = {}, str = "a:0,1,2,3|b:4,5,6|c:0,2"; str.split('|').forEach(function(e) {var a = e.split(':'); obj[a[0]] = a[1].split(',').map(String.parseInt)}); obj
[09:18] catb0t:  Exception: TypeError: undefined is not a function
[09:18] tmske: chilts, most of the result is standard JSON I'm getting back from ArcGIS, but this tracing result returns something like this...
[09:19] torvalamo: .. var obj = {}, str = "a:0,1,2,3|b:4,5,6|c:0,2"; str.split('|').forEach(function(e) {var a = e.split(':'); obj[a[0]] = a[1].split(',').map(function(b) {return parseInt(b)})}); obj
[09:19] catb0t:  { a:[ 0, 1, 2, 3 ], b:[ 4, 5, 6 ], c:[ 0, 2 ] }
[09:19] chilts: oh right, weird :)
[09:19] torvalamo: there you are
[09:19] torvalamo: numbers
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[09:19] torvalamo: dunno why map wouldn't take parseInt though...
[09:19] tmske: I'm new to javascript, node.js and I'm still getting the hang of callbacks and control flow. I first tried something with forEach but it returned undefined...
[09:19] tmske: torvalamo: thanks :-)
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[09:21] torvalamo: to get a hang of callbacks and control flow you need to distinguish between throwing and returning
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[09:21] torvalamo: it threw undefined
[09:21] torvalamo: as in error
[09:21] torvalamo: return is what it does if it's good
[09:21] torvalamo: ;)
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[09:25] stagas: lowerkey: you need <%= or <%- to write stuff
[09:25] thomaschaaf: I am trying to use require to access socket.io from all files. How do I get this code to do what I want? http://pastie.org/3165113
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[09:25] thomaschaaf: also this much simpler version: http://pastie.org/3165123 does not work
[09:26] lowerkey: stagas: thanks
[09:26] torvalamo: the first line uses socketio before it's imported?
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[09:27] slaskis: torvalamo: i think the reason map(parseInt) doesn't work is because it will get more than one argument, so it'll try to parse it as octal of hex or depending on the array
[09:27] thomaschaaf: torvalamo: all commands in app.js work. but in /routes/index.js they stop working
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[09:28] torvalamo: slaskis, but it parsed 0 and 4 just fine, but not 1,2,3
[09:28] torvalamo: 4 with radix 5, but not 1 with radix 2
[09:28] torvalamo: so that doesn't make sense
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[09:28] torvalamo: oh wait
[09:28] slaskis: it would use the index in the array as radix i think
[09:29] stagas: thomaschaaf: you're not returning io in the io.js function
[09:29] torvalamo: yeah
[09:29] torvalamo: you're right
[09:29] slaskis: so it'll give interesting results
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[09:29] torvalamo: i was thinking in python there for a sec
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[09:29] torvalamo: there's some function.. can't remember its name.. array stuff.. takes two subsequent values
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[09:30] torvalamo: reduce
[09:30] torvalamo: is the one
[09:30] torvalamo: used that a lot in python
[09:30] slaskis: ah yeah, used it in ruby a lot (called inject)
[09:32] thomaschaaf: torvalamo: I do have socketio required before it I changed it so that it represents it better: http://pastie.org/3165113
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[09:32] booyaa: woot
[09:32] booyaa: need to go through my logs to find out who helped me get my github repo page working as a subdom
[09:33] torvalamo: thomaschaaf, in routes you don't give an argument to the require
[09:34] torvalamo: hm
[09:34] torvalamo: i see
[09:34] stagas: thomaschaaf: routes are processed first and ._io is undefined at that time. then you replace it with the io object but it's another reference
[09:34] torvalamo: that's some overly complicated code you have there
[09:34] booyaa: deedubs++ # thanks for the CNAME hint! :D
[09:35] thomaschaaf: stagas: how could I get the io variable to the route then? (I started with node 3 days ago so everything is new :( )
[09:35] booyaa: now if i can just work out why the forkme css won't appear above the bootstrap header i'll be happy
[09:36] torvalamo: thomaschaaf, http://pastie.org/3165166
[09:36] torvalamo: unless i missed something
[09:36] stagas: thomaschaaf: do var routes = require('./routes') in ln 10 app.js should work
[09:36] torvalamo: which i probably did
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[09:36] stagas: thomaschaaf: and remove it from ln 4
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[09:37] torvalamo: yeah ignore my paste
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[09:41] hemanth: Made a simple hack one liner to install nodejs, bash < <(http://h3manth.com/node) how dumb?
[09:42] booyaa: hemanth: nice, if there's a suitable page on the nodejs wiki add it
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[09:43] booyaa: is the npm install necessary? thought it came with latest version of node?
[09:43] hemanth: booyaa, thanks :) will check 
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[09:43] torvalamo: should probably edit it so its origin is nodejs.org and not a third party though
[09:43] torvalamo: trust and that
[09:43] CIA-101: node: 03Maciej Małecki 07v0.6 * rb073989 10/ Makefile : 
[09:43] CIA-101: node: makefile: ignore `lib/punycode.js` while linting
[09:43] CIA-101: node: `punycode` is a third party code which generates a lot of lint errors.
[09:43] CIA-101: node: Upstream was contacted in order to fix it in bestiejs/punycode.js#6, but
[09:43] CIA-101: node: request was denied.
[09:43] CIA-101: node: Therefore, it's reasonable to exclude this file from linting process.
[09:43] CIA-101: node: Ref #2456. - http://git.io/88Rr7Q
[09:43] CIA-101: node: 03Mathias Bynens 07master * r8abb73e 10/ lib/punycode.js : punycode: Update to v0.3.0 - http://git.io/6PhnLQ
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[09:43] booyaa: <-- has brew i never pay attention to the build proces nowadays. i know npm comes with nodejs win msi
[09:44] hemanth: npm is necessary AFAIK 
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[09:44] SubStack: correct
[09:45] booyaa: hemanth/substack - so npm doesn't come as part of new unix node tar ball?
[09:45] booyaa: that's consistent then
[09:45] SubStack: npm is pretty much the best package manager ever
[09:45] booyaa: given it does for msi and dmg
[09:45] SubStack: out of all the ones I'm familiar with
[09:45] thomaschaaf: stagas: torvalamo: http://pastie.org/3165113 this is what I did now but I still can't seem to access that stuff :(
[09:45] hemanth: SubStack, meow! :)
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[09:45] SubStack: =^_^=
[09:46] thomaschaaf: still no "asd" but an undefined in the console log
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[09:47] torvalamo: do a console.log('here') in the first line of io.js function
[09:47] torvalamo: before the if
[09:48] torvalamo: if you get two then that function is the problem
[09:49] thomaschaaf: torvalamo: seems to never get called
[09:49] torvalamo: module.exports should be module
[09:49] torvalamo: i think
[09:49] torvalamo: or is that me confusing things again
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[09:51] torvalamo: yeah that would be me
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[09:52] stagas: thomaschaaf: put it in a global and be done with it :P
[09:52] thomaschaaf: stagas: :( let me google that
[09:53] torvalamo: process.io = socketio...
[09:53] torvalamo: :P
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[09:53] thomaschaaf: process.* is available everywhere?
[09:53] torvalamo: yeh
[09:54] tuhoojabotti: globals ftw
[09:54] torvalamo: but expect it to break in the future
[09:54] booyaa: WOOHOO! we finally have msdn :)
[09:54] tuhoojabotti: booyaa: ?
[09:54] `3rdEden: global.io - socket.io
[09:54] booyaa: <-- at work
[09:54] tuhoojabotti: ye
[09:54] `3rdEden: = *
[09:55] torvalamo: global is not editable by the user
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[09:55] torvalamo: you can assign to it, but it's gone when you want to use it
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[09:56] torvalamo: like magic
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[09:56] SubStack: eww globals
[09:56] SubStack: I hope that goes away soon
[09:56] thomaschaaf: SubStack: what would be the correct way to solve my problem then?
[09:56] torvalamo: inject io directly into routes
[09:57] torvalamo: routes.setIO(io)
[09:57] torvalamo: or sumgen
[09:57] torvalamo: sumfen*
[09:57] SubStack: use the module system like normal?
[09:58] thomaschaaf: SubStack: that I think is what I tried: http://pastie.org/3165113
[10:00] thomaschaaf: torvalamo: I can not find "sumfen" on google
[10:00] torvalamo: because it's old school for 'something'
[10:00] torvalamo: i'm from the 80s
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[10:00] torvalamo: forgive me
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[10:01] thomaschaaf: :D woops thought it was a package name
[10:01] torvalamo: lol
[10:02] stagas: thomaschaaf: io.js => exports.init = function (app) { exports.io = require('socket.io').listen(app) }
[10:02] thomaschaaf: with routes.setIO(io) how do I access it in the routes file? 
[10:03] torvalamo: in routes you have a var _io; and a function setIO = function(io) {_io = io and whatever you had in that other thing
[10:03] stagas: thomaschaaf: app.js => require('./io').init(app); var io = require('./io').io
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[10:04] stagas: thomaschaaf: then you do var io = require('./io').io where you want it
[10:04] thomaschaaf: stagas: 
[10:04] thomaschaaf: stagas: awesome
[10:05] torvalamo: that's not really "using the module system like normal"
[10:05] torvalamo: oh it wasn't you who said it
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[10:06] torvalamo: encapsulation and dependency injection!
[10:06] torvalamo: now those are two things you CAN google
[10:06] torvalamo: :p
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[10:07] thomaschaaf: torvalamo: how else should I learn :(
[10:08] torvalamo: google is your best friend in learning
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[10:10] booyaa: stackoverflow.com is cool too
[10:11] torvalamo: you'll usually get google hits from there
[10:11] torvalamo: and my answers on globals
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[10:11] torvalamo: unless there are tons
[10:12] booyaa: stupid question time
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[10:12] booyaa: when you do this in repl, require('modulex')
[10:13] booyaa: repl knows how to reference it, is there a global that tracks that or is some kinda callback going on?
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[10:13] booyaa: i know you can reference the module if yuo var module = require('modulex') but just curious how repl is able to dump the contents of the require call
[10:14] stagas: booyaa: repl dumps the return value, in require's case it's module.exports
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[10:22] booyaa: stagas: but it's a single use eh? so once you've dumped it you can't reference it
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[10:22] rio{: If I do var foo = require('foo'), bar = require('bar');
[10:23] rio{: is there some way that I can reference foo inside bar without passing it
[10:23] stagas: booyaa: yeah
[10:23] zomg: rio{: put the require inside bar?
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[10:25] rio{: zomg: Ye but, theres an instance of foo that I would like to access
[10:25] torvalamo: booyaa, there are internals in require() that keeps track of any loaded modules
[10:25] booyaa: torvalamo: is it possible to reference them in repl?
[10:25] booyaa: ref === acess
[10:25] rio{: to be more specific foo connects with tcp, and I would like to use that connection in bar
[10:25] torvalamo: require('stuff'); var stuff = require('stuff');
[10:26] torvalamo: the first one will initialize stuff
[10:26] booyaa: damn so heroku doesn't automatically guard your app like nodejitsu?
[10:26] torvalamo: the second one won't do anything other than give you the reference to the module
[10:26] booyaa: 
ACTION just seen a post about needing to run forever on heroku

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[10:29] rio{: torvalamo was that an answer to me?
[10:30] torvalamo: no to booyaa
[10:31] torvalamo: but yeah also to you actually
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[10:32] torvalamo: unless you don't know the name of foo
[10:32] rio{: I do :)
[10:32] torvalamo: if you do require('foo'), it will just reference the first (and only) instance of it
[10:32] torvalamo: modules are singletons
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[10:32] torvalamo: so to speak
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[10:33] torvalamo: it's not like php, where you include a file multiple times
[10:33] rio{: cool, I havn't read up enough on node before starting to hack away on it
[10:36] zomg: I think it was recommended than loading a module should not have side effects like opening sockets or such though
[10:36] zomg: *that
[10:36] zomg: And I do agree with that
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[10:36] zomg: Personally I would recommend passing the stuff you need around as params, but if you're just doing something simple it's probably more straightforward to do whatever :)
[10:37] torvalamo: a module can open sockets as long as that's its purpose
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[10:38] torvalamo: do you mean just loading it?
[10:38] zomg: Yeah
[10:38] augustl: require having the side effect of opening a socket sounds nasty :)
[10:38] torvalamo: then i agree
[10:38] zomg: require('foo') should not have any side effects but sure you can put a function in the foo module to open a socket or whatever you want
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[10:38] torvalamo: yeah i misunderstood
[10:39] torvalamo: it's 11.40 am
[10:39] torvalamo: getting late
[10:39] torvalamo: so to speak
[10:39] zomg: Late? :P
[10:39] torvalamo: i haven't slept today
[10:39] zomg: Ah =)
[10:39] torvalamo: let me put it that way
[10:39] torvalamo: :P
[10:40] augustl: rio{: http://pastie.org/3165395
[10:41] augustl: err, those last two lines should be myFoo, fixed
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[10:44] rio{: augustl: Yea thats what I had, I would also like to have access to myFoo.connection in bar.js
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[10:48] augustl: rio{: what do you mean with "in bar.js"?
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[11:21] mbrevda_: Got a general question about node: in other runtime languages (say php), most object live only as long as the session, and  1 session = one http request. Being that node is also a server, dose that change object persistency in this regard?
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[11:25] augustl: mbrevda_: yep
[11:26] augustl: mbrevda_: a node server = one process, unless you write code that spawns subprocesses
[11:26] augustl: with php don't you typically configure apache to shell out to fcgi for every request?
[11:26] mbrevda_: cool. Then I take that, by extension, the objects are shared amongst sessions?
[11:27] mbrevda_: augustl: iirc, that more or less how apache dose it. 
[11:27] mbrevda_: *thats
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[11:28] mbrevda_: btw, I'm using the term sessions loosely here, to mean 1 http request
[11:29] rio{: augustl: I meant in yet another module/file
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[11:35] augustl: rio{: sounds to me like you think of it in the wrong terms
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[11:36] augustl: rio{: when you run your code, it doesn't run in files.. It's just functions and objects and values that live in the same process
[11:36] augustl: rio{: doesn't matter which file it's in, really
[11:36] augustl: mbrevda_: there aren't "sessions" in node
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[11:36] augustl: mbrevda_: there's just events that gets fired, and it all happens in the same process
[11:36] mbrevda_: right, I realize that
[11:37] mbrevda_: cool, thanks
[11:37] augustl: there are obviously dangers associated with sharing the same object across requests but you probably know that ;)
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[11:37] augustl: as in, stuff you didn't predict might end up happening, corrupting your shared state
[11:38] HardPhuck: ok, I think it's good enough to show it to the public: http://carmivore.com/~Node.js
[11:39] HardPhuck: there are some things missing which will be done in a week or so
[11:40] HardPhuck: then I'll need some beta testers :)
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[11:56] booyaa: carmivore? that's not another blue waffle/goatse site is?
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[11:57] booyaa: my trolldar is going off the scale atm
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[12:01] HardPhuck: what does blue waffle/goatse mean? :)
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[12:05] Margle: wow, this # is busy now.
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[12:06] booyaa: HardPhuck: don't search for them on google, see if there's a sfw entry in wikipedia
[12:06] Margle: well, not busy, just full.
[12:06] booyaa: Margle: yeah no actual work taking place ;)
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[12:07] Margle: anyone know why?
[12:07] Margle: like… where are you all coming from?
[12:07] Margle: ror, php, django?
[12:07] booyaa: 
ACTION *coughs*c#*coughs*

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[12:08] Margle: booyaa: or that.
[12:09] Margle: really cool.
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[12:09] stride: qbasic
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[12:16] dstufft: Anyone have any data on statically compiling node.js?
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[12:25] bnoordhuis: dstufft: what do you want to do?
[12:26] dstufft: bnoordhuis: trying to get node.js onto a system where I can't install libraries ;) I can drop static binaries there though np
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[12:29] bnoordhuis: dstufft: you can hack the wscript and add -static to LINKFLAGS
[12:30] dstufft: bnoordhuis: cool i'll try that
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[12:40] lowerkey: Greetings, What do i have to do to serve static js and css files from an express webserver?
[12:41] hipsters_: lowerkey: http://expressjs.com/guide.html#configuration
[12:42] lowerkey: I tried app.use(express.static(__dirname + '/js')); app.use(express.static(__dirname + '/css')); but the browser reports file not found for my jquery file
[12:43] lowerkey: does the app.use(express.static(... have to be in an app.configure block?
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[12:44] hipsters_: yes lowerkey 
[12:45] lowerkey: hipsters_: did that, but it's still not working
[12:45] hipsters_: then i'm afraid this is out of my level :v
[12:45] lowerkey: :(
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[12:48] HardPhuck: lowerkey: http://pastebin.com/giAN4mrt
[12:48] HardPhuck: this is the express config for http://carmivore.com/
[12:49] HardPhuck: it's in coffeescript but you should get the idea
[12:50] lowerkey: I'll try and throw a app.router in there and see what happens
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[12:51] HardPhuck: public folder then contains folders like images, javascripts and stylesheets
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[12:52] teadict: neat https://github.com/vesln/moni
[12:52] teadict: although the ASCII art is kind of disturbing, dunno why
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[12:55] mightym: hey guys, I'm new to node.js and using cradle for couchdb. i wonder if someone give me a hint how i can get the object I'm saving to the db as a callback: db.save(object, function(err, res) {..  <- but there res is only the id and revision
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[13:00] negrete: In the API documentation says that I can specify the cwd, but I'm wondering if is possible to spawn a new child_process specifying the uid of some other user... or do I have to do that with a bash script?
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[13:02] appr: process.setgid(..), process.setuid(..)
[13:02] negrete: @appr: THANKS!!!
[13:03] lowerkey: HardPhuck: http://pastebin.com/PnNyvQ0L
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[13:03] lowerkey: app.use(app.route didn't solve the problem
[13:03] HardPhuck: lowerkey: make a folder called public
[13:03] HardPhuck: and put js and css inside
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[13:03] HardPhuck: then set static just to that public folder
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[13:06] lowerkey: the not found disappeared, (I think I had the paths mixed up), but now the get('/', ... content isn't showing anymore
[13:08] _rockbot_: Can anyone explain databases? How do I make an informed decision on which one to use for my node project?
[13:08] RLa: oh, using databases first time?
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[13:09] _rockbot_: Yep! Well, I've used MySQL before, but im pretty sure that's the best one for node apps :-P
[13:09] RLa: if you have complex data and simple queries, use nosql, if you have simple data but complex queries, use sql
[13:09] _rockbot_: How does one define complex v simple?
[13:10] _rockbot_: I mean, I think I've got simple queries and simple data, but how can I really be sure?
[13:10] RLa: do you have many many-to-many relationships?
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[13:11] _rockbot_: I don't think so?
[13:11] RLa: then you could try nosql solution
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[13:12] _rockbot_: Basically, I'd have multiple entries that are categorized and time-stamped
[13:12] augustl: _rockbot_: complex = intertwined, basically.
[13:12] _rockbot_: Then I'd pull those entries based on category, in chronological order
[13:12] Jalava: mongodb + node works quite nicely
[13:12] augustl: so practically it's about whether your data is stand-alone or intertwined
[13:13] _rockbot_: That should be pretty simple, right?
[13:13] Jalava: mongodb + redis cache layer + node is what we do currently
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[13:13] augustl: _rockbot_: so it's just one collection of data?
[13:13] augustl: sounds like a job for a tabular database
[13:14] Jalava: mysql should work fine for that
[13:14] mightym: well thank you anyway!
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[13:15] _rockbot_: Can I use MySQL with node?
[13:15] lowerkey: HardPhuck: When using coffeescript with node, do you still have to compile the coffee or does node "know" coffeescript?
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[13:15] lowerkey: _rockbot_: Yes, check out http://sequelizejs.com/
[13:15] _rockbot_: I got the impression that the big DBs were CouchDB and MongoDB. I have no experience with either and wanted to figure out which would be better for my project
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[13:16] _rockbot_: Oh, neat! Thanks, lowerkey 
[13:16] HardPhuck: lowerkey: I run the app like: coffee myapp.coffee
[13:16] HardPhuck: whereas without cofee you use: node myapp.js
[13:17] _rockbot_: augustl: What do you recommend?
[13:17] HardPhuck: so yes, you can run .coffee files directly
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[13:18] lowerkey: HardPhuck: So how does node come into play then? Do you still have to call it somewhere in your code?
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[13:18] HardPhuck: no
[13:19] HardPhuck: you just save all files like somefile.coffee and that's it
[13:19] augustl: _rockbot_: I like postgresql
[13:19] HardPhuck: when you require your won module you do require('modulename')
[13:20] HardPhuck: without .js or .coffee
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[13:20] HardPhuck: so even if the module is in CS it's ok
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[13:22] tristanpemble: does anyone know if I can configure NPM to use HTTPS when connecting to GitHub?
[13:22] tristanpemble: rather than git://
[13:22] augustl: when does npm connect to github?
[13:23] tristanpemble: well, I'm assuming it's a package configuration
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[13:23] augustl: I'm pretty sure npm doesn't know about github, perhaps some package has a dependency specified as a git url?
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[13:23] tristanpemble: hm, I just realized I can just clone it manually then npm install .
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[13:45] jondot_: hi all, when you need to merge 2 dictionaries (or objects) what would you use in node without introducing too many deps?
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[13:53] fly-away: ор
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[13:56] zomg: jondot_: a for loop
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[13:56] jondot_: yep. thats what i eventually did
[13:57] astropirate: like.. OHH... My.. GOD!!! node is soooooo coool
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[13:57] maritz: jondot_: underscore.js doesn't have any other dependencies and provides quite a few utilities :)
[13:57] maritz: astropirate: RIGHT?!
[13:57] maritz: npm is down
[13:57] jondot_: not sure i want to introduce underscore as a dependency for a connect middleware
[13:57] maritz: npmjs.org i mean
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[13:58] maritz: jondot_: that's reasonable. thought it was about an application. yeah in middleware/modules i'd suggest looping as well.
[13:58] mmalecki: maritz: oh, damn, right
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[13:59] jondot_: now i'm wondering whats a way to GET a url's content without dependencies..
[13:59] maritz: mmalecki: yey, quick response! :)
[14:00] maritz: jondot: require('http').request()
[14:00] maritz: jondot_: http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/http.html#http.request
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[14:01] jondot_: maritz, downside is that with http module i have to break a URI into components
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[14:01] maritz: jondot_: http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/url.html :D
[14:02] tristanpemble: that ^
[14:02] mmalecki: I WANT MY REGISTRY BACK. #kthxbai
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[14:03] maritz: mmalecki: it's back?! :D
[14:03] maritz: slow, but there.
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[14:09] teadict: I thought I understood server sessions but I don't think I do
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[14:11] zomg: teadict: server sessions?
[14:11] teadict: zomg: sessions, whatever
[14:12] zomg: Yeah just wanted to check if you meant something else :)
[14:12] zomg: What do you not understand about that?
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[14:12] teadict: although..
[14:12] teadict: I've just figured out what app.use is all about
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[14:12] teadict: so now I know what you "use" in the "app", is available to all routes responses...
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[14:13] teadict: I hadn't seen that before
[14:13] teadict: I was lost because of express, not sessions...
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[14:13] zomg: Heh :)
[14:13] teadict: does that mean that if I want to have say, the MySQL ORM instance, in every route I create... I should app.use() the ORM?
[14:14] teadict: or whatever I'll need all over the place
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[14:14] teadict: like nowjs
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[14:15] teadict: or am I off?
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[14:20] jondot_: hmm trying to perform HTTP GET with http and url is annoying (i.e. https, querystring). whats a reasonable http library i can include in my deps?
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[14:22] lperrin: jondot_: do you know request ?
[14:22] lperrin: https://github.com/mikeal/request
[14:23] jondot_: sounds good. is it reasonable to include in a connect-middleware as a dependency?
[14:23] lperrin: it's already a dependency of connect
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[14:24] jondot_: ah, great!. any idea how to pick a version that won't cause trouble?
[14:24] lperrin: wait no, sorry, it's not a dep
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[14:25] jondot_: well in any case i'm wondering how to pick a version that would fit something that might already exist on the user's stack
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[14:27] maritz: teadict: no, i think you're still confused about use. do you know what a middleware is?
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[14:29] lperrin: jondot_: a lib like 'curl' requires request >= 1.0.0
[14:29] jondot_: i see.
[14:30] lperrin: perhaps you could try that, but I'm really not a npm expert :)
[14:30] maritz: jondot_: pick the latest one and assume that at the point of someone using your library it won't be the latest anymore.
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[14:30] jondot_: but then if someone is using an older one, i'll force him/her to use 2 versions
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[14:31] maritz: so what? you can't possibly prevent that except by using the oldest one and accepting all older ones.
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[14:31] maritz: there is a reason for new versions after all, so you should always pick the latest version.
[14:31] teadict: maritz: I understand is something you put inthe middle of two things :P
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[14:31] maritz: teadict: kind of, yeah. but middleware can incidentally also be put at the start and end of it. xD
[14:32] teadict: like when you have a route request and you use a function to check for something before the handle
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[14:33] maritz: basically if you do app.get('/', function () {}); you create a middleware that is only called on the url /. connect/express goes through all middlewares that are valid for a url and executes them in their defined order. assuming that the middleware calls next() it goes to the next middleware.
[14:33] geekbri: Is there an official node PPA ?
[14:33] maritz: app.use is a special middleware that is url agnostig and works on every request
[14:33] maritz: *agnostic
[14:34] teadict: then what I said happens?
[14:34] teadict: what you app.use() is available in all requests?
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[14:34] teadict: whatever available means there
[14:34] maritz: that is, if it is a middleware
[14:34] teadict: what's NOT a middleware?
[14:34] teadict: for example
[14:34] maritz: app.use(function (req, res, next) { this.test = 1; next()});
[14:34] maritz: that's a middleware
[14:35] maritz: arg, change this.test to req.test
[14:35] maritz: and all middlewares after it will have access to req.test
[14:35] teadict: mmhmmm...
[14:35] maritz: app.use(require('somerandommodule')); will probably not work because it probably doesn't call next() ;)
[14:36] teadict: so next() is more important than I thought..
[14:36] teadict: is not a stupid redirect method for routes
[14:36] teadict: is a freaking environmental function to keep the middlewares working...
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[14:43] maritz: teadict: well, it tells express: ok, i'm done, you can call the next middleware.
[14:44] teadict: maritz: I see
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[14:44] maritz: afaik next should not be called if you finish the response in that middleware, becuase other middlewares might try to respond as well which will cause an error
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[14:45] teadict: makes sense
[14:45] teadict: I guess with practice, one would perfectionate the use of next
[14:45] teadict: so... Express is more routing than anything?
[14:46] teadict: because that's what a server is, essentially
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[14:48] teadict: res.redirect('home')... is that some kind of constant?
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[14:48] eeemsi: hi there 
[14:48] teadict: or alias for '/'?
[14:49] eeemsi: i am still running into a getaddrinfo ENOENT error
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[14:49] teadict: sorry, I forgot this was #node.js, I'm asking #express things
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[15:07] teadict: express questino: I don't understand what those dynamicHelpers do... they don't seem to be used anywhere in here: https://github.com/visionmedia/express/blob/master/examples/auth/app.js
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[15:09] teadict: oh, they're used in the views...
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[15:09] teadict: no, wait...
[15:09] teadict: mmm
[15:10] teadict: oh yes they are!
[15:10] teadict: so, they become Jade locals?
[15:10] teadict: that's awesome
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[15:10] fantastikibne_: hi
[15:11] fantastikibne_: i want to ask something
[15:11] teadict: don't ask for permission
[15:11] fantastikibne_: i need to call an api for millions of times
[15:11] fantastikibne_: i tried many solution
[15:11] fantastikibne_: php curl multi curl c# java perl blabla
[15:12] fantastikibne_: my friend got a solution with node.js but he doesn't tell me about it :D
[15:12] fantastikibne_: what may he be using for making https api calls very fast?
[15:12] jondot_: can anyone recommend a connect middleware project with decent tests (prefer BDD/spec) so i can learn from and implement?
[15:13] tristanpemble: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.6.7/api/https.html#https.request
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[15:14] benvie: why is your friend so non-helpful
[15:14] benvie: this is the real question
[15:14] teadict: so, this example is great, I got it now: https://github.com/visionmedia/express/blob/master/examples/auth/app.js , but what about the other routes in the app? don't you need to check the session state inside them too?
[15:15] eeemsi: M( argh oh my god … these pains … that error drives me crazy
[15:16] eeemsi:  var host = config.urls[i].host;
[15:16] eeemsi:         var path = config.urls[i].path
[15:16] fantastikibne_: benvie: not sure about that :(
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[15:16] errordeveloper: hey ..
[15:16] eeemsi: this is correct and works … i had them host = ….path and path = ….host
[15:16] fantastikibne_: exaclty i dont need response of the requests
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[15:16] errordeveloper: I have to avoid 'Transfer-Encoding: chunked', so I need to set 'Content-Lenght' manually
[15:17] errordeveloper: how can I calculate it ?
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[15:17] errordeveloper: I need the byte lenght of a string, isn't it?
[15:17] benvie: yeah
[15:17] slaskis: body.length ?
[15:17] benvie: you need to create a buffer from the string
[15:17] slaskis: or Buffer.byteLength(body)
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[15:17] benvie: and do that
[15:18] errordeveloper: ok
[15:18] benvie: new Buffer(theString).byteLength
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[15:18] benvie: if it's not already a buffer
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[15:19] errordeveloper: thanks!
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[15:21] benvie: np sir
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[15:22] eeemsi: could someone explain me how the dns part of nodejs works?
[15:23] eeemsi: like how many requests can it resolv at the same time
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[15:24] benvie: most dns requests use this library http://c-ares.haxx.se/
[15:24] benvie: which may be a good starting point
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[15:25] benvie: or https://github.com/bagder/c-ares
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[15:27] eeemsi: benvie: i am having a for loop within which i am getting host and paths from a json file and give these to the http.get thing
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[15:27] benvie: hitting some sort of limit?
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[15:27] eeemsi: i think so…
[15:28] benvie: the basic dns.lookup function will start with using the system's getaddrinfo
[15:28] benvie: you can force it to use c-ares which should work better with larger number of requests
[15:28] benvie: using something like
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[15:29] benvie: dns.resolve instead of dns.lookup
[15:30] fantastikibne_: i got error outputs may they give me an idea?
[15:30] eeemsi: benvie: http://ricochen.wordpress.com/2011/11/15/a-simple-node-js-rss-parser-using-sax-js/
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[15:30] eeemsi: this was what i used to get started with my main goal …
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[15:30] benvie: most of the basic built in functions from like http will use dns.lookup and not use ares unless I've misread how this works
[15:31] eeemsi: please look at the http.get thing
[15:31] benvie: so you may have to do the lookup part manually outside of the http module
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[15:31] fantastikibne_: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=fWkJNzMZ 
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[15:32] benvie: ' C-Ares is much faster than getaddrinfo but the system resolver is more constant with how other programs operate. When a user does net.connect(80, 'google.com') or http.get({ host: 'google.com' }) the dns.lookup method is used. Users who need to do a large number of look ups quickly should use the methods that go through C-Ares.'
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[15:33] benvie: so basically you'd do the lookup using require('dns').lookup directly
[15:33] benvie: and then feed the ip address into http.get
[15:33] benvie: instead of the hostnamw
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[15:38] deoxxa: https://github.com/progman/node-sleep << gold
[15:39] Aikar: anyone know ETA on .7 branch stabalizing?
[15:39] Aikar: and why is that gold
[15:39] Aikar: that looks 100% useless
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[15:39] deoxxa: Aikar: exactly
[15:40] deoxxa: but it made me lol
[15:40] Aikar: deoxxa: oh sorry didnt detect the sarcasm :P
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[15:40] emilis_info: What is the "export" object in node? When I enter it into console it hangs
[15:40] Aikar: emilis_info: var export = module.export essentually in modules
[15:40] Aikar: REPL is not a module
[15:40] Aikar: but it shouldnt hang...
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[15:41] emilis_info: hm
[15:42] Aikar: I get the ..., not sure why that is though
[15:42] emilis_info: Aikar, node hangs even if I touch the var inside a function: > function() { var export=123; }
[15:42] Aikar: ctrl + C o nthe ... will resume back
[15:42] emilis_info: Aikar, yup
[15:42] Aikar: that is weird behavior
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[15:43] emilis_info: Aikar, should I report it somewhere? I have got "v0.7.0-pre" from GitHub
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[15:43] fantastikibne_: ok new guy s:/
[15:43] fantastikibne_: does anyone know whats fastest way to make http requests?
[15:43] Aikar: fantastikibne_: npm install request
[15:43] emilis_info: fantastikibne_, curl :PPP
[15:43] Aikar: not curl :P
[15:43] fantastikibne_: curl is not enough fast
[15:43] teadict: there are no tricks when it comes to basic stuff
[15:43] fantastikibne_: multi curl not too
[15:44] teadict: what's the best way to sum 2 numbers?
[15:44] Aikar: this isnt php
[15:44] teadict: sum the 2 numbers!
[15:44] Aikar: multi curl is useless in node
[15:44] fantastikibne_: my friend shown me he could do 5000 requests in 28 seconds
[15:44] emilis_info: ab?
[15:44] fantastikibne_: and its not possible to do as much as that much fast in multi curl
[15:44] niloy: is XMLHttpRequest avaliable in node?
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[15:44] Aikar: multicurl was a way to do async parrallel requests in other synchronous languages
[15:44] Aikar: node is already async
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[15:45] niloy: is XMLHttpRequest avaliable in node?
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[15:46] fantastikibne_:  can i do http requests async in node.js?
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[15:47] fantastikibne_: make a http request without wait another's end
[15:47] Aikar: niloy: no, no point
[15:47] bnoordhuis: fantastikibne_: yes
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[15:47] bnoordhuis: i'd even go so far and say it's impossible to do it any other way
[15:47] Aikar: you guys are either extremely new or trolling ~.~
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[15:48] Aikar: about the only thing you can do thats synchronous (currently) is file system access
[15:48] Aikar: bnoordhuis: did CP.execSync ever see the light of day?
[15:48] bnoordhuis: Aikar: no
[15:48] Aikar: bnoordhuis: going to?
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[15:49] bnoordhuis: Aikar: probably not, there were issues and i personally don't see the point
[15:49] Aikar: while its going to lead to ugly hacks of synchronizing all the built in functions, i still think it has possible uses
[15:50] Aikar: stuff like executing other apps to get configuration elements are possible use cases
[15:50] Aikar: on process start
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[15:51] bnoordhuis: Aikar: hrm, not convinced
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[15:55] xxiao: node.js installation by default is 18MB, pretty heavy
[15:56] niloy: Aikar, please tell mehow to make https calls?
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[15:59] Aikar: xxiao: HD space is ridicously cheap now, why does it matter?
[15:59] Aikar: 18MB is nothing
[15:59] xxiao: Aikar: thinking about putting it to low-end embedded devices, that is
[15:59] lperrin: Aikar: some people (like me) are shipping node as part of an app
[16:00] xxiao: or like lperrin said, wraps it in an app
[16:00] niloy: node runs as standalone?
[16:00] Aikar: well, I guess for that. 
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[16:01] xxiao: 18MB is indeed something, consider i could put a linux kernel, file system, a router application with simple web server, in about 4MB flash
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[16:06] jondot_: trying to test connect middleware with expresso and should, i'm getting TypeError: Object #<HTTPServer> has no method 'request' -- any idea?
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[16:10] tmske: How can I enter some input data to a process with child_process?
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[16:11] lperrin: tmske: like on its stdin ?
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[16:12] tmske: lperrin: yes
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[16:12] lperrin: there's a good example in the doc
[16:12] lperrin: http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/child_processes.html#child_process.spawn
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[16:13] lperrin: basically, proc.stdin.write("something\n");
[16:14] fantastikibne_: while sending multiple https request will it check for the cert. things many times or it will just build the query for 1 time and send as many as you need?
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[16:14] jondot_: hmmrgh. trying to test connect middleware isn't fun.
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[16:15] Aikar: fantastikibne_: cert checks is part of an SSL handshake. itll have a "keep alive" agent, so if you make a req after 1 request has finished, it may reuse an open connection
[16:15] Aikar: but if you open multiple requests at same time, itll use multiple agents/connections (to a certain limit)
[16:15] Aikar: which all will initiate an SSL handshake
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[16:21] theycallmeswift: Anyone have an thoughts about the best way to create a fake http request?
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[16:22] theycallmeswift: I'm thinking creating a fake agent class that  never actually creates a socket would be the best way to do it
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[16:23] theycallmeswift: and then just passing that along as the request's agent
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[16:26] autarch: is there a way to have npm publish a tarball for me to look at without actually uploading it?
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[16:34] tmske: lperrin: I tried the example with spawn and cmd.stdout.on('data', ....) but this doesn't gives any output, stderr outputs something like: <Buffer 43 72 6f ....>. If I use child instead of spawn then I do get valid stdout
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[16:35] lperrin: tmske: have you tried child.stderr.setEncoding('utf8'); ?
[16:35] lperrin: this should tell node to convert the buffer you get into a string
[16:37] jondot_: anyone knows if mocha supports response helpers like expresso does (being its successor and all)? (https://github.com/visionmedia/mocha)
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[16:37] Lingerance: Alternatively, do cmd.stdout.on('data', function(buff) { console.log(buff.toString()) })
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[16:37] rio{{: Whats the best way to set context of interval callback according to you guys?
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[16:38] ryanrolds: rio{{: Closure?
[16:38] autarch: how do people handle publishing code to npn that is written in coffeescript?
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[16:39] ryanrolds: autarch: They publish it and then people avoid using the module.
[16:39] autarch: haha
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[16:39] autarch: I was thinking that I should publish both the CS source and the generated JS
[16:39] tmske: lperrin: Ok, now I get some valid output... "CreateProcessW: The system cannot find the file specified." This is on windows btw (and child_process.exec does work...)
[16:40] rio{{: ryanrolds ?
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[16:40] Lingerance: tmske: What are you feeding spawn for args?
[16:41] ryanrolds: rio{{: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/111102/how-do-javascript-closures-work
[16:41] lperrin: autarch: if it helps, here's a module that's on npm with cofeescript https://github.com/dodo/node-bufferstream
[16:42] lperrin: * coffescript
[16:42] rio{{: yeah I know how closures work
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[16:42] tmske: Lingerance: for example spawn('dir')
[16:42] Lingerance: spawn('dir') works for you then?
[16:42] rio{{: but there are several ways of making "this" what you want in the timeout callback
[16:42] tmske: Lingerance: doesn't work, exec('dir') works
[16:43] rio{{: wondered what people prefer
[16:43] tmske: spawn('dir') doesn't work
[16:43] ryanrolds: Has anyone done a poll to find out how many people avoid using modules that use JS compiled from CS?
[16:43] lperrin: tmske: exec runs in a shell, which spawn does not
[16:43] lperrin: something like spawn('c:\\windows\system\dir.exe'); should work
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[16:44] lperrin: (not sure where dir.exe is actually located)
[16:44] tmske: lperrin: ok, so to use spawn and feed input to stdin I will have to use the exact path?
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[16:45] lperrin: yes, but if you're just looking to run dir, you should use exec instead
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[16:46] tmske: lperrin: I was just using dir to see if the error was not in the command
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[16:46] tmske: I'm looking to run: runas
[16:46] benvie: http://ss64.com/nt/ is really useful 
[16:46] benvie: for windows command line stuff
[16:47] lperrin: tmske: oddly enough, running "ls" without any path works on OSX
[16:47] lperrin: maybe requiring the full path is a windows thing
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[16:47] tmske: lperrin: yeah I guess so, I've run into the same problems with python...
[16:47] benvie: windows actually exposes quite a lot of stuff to command line programs similarly to unix
[16:47] theycallmeswift: Anyone know a good way to create a fake socket for a request?
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[17:11] joqueonr: How can I define the require function when testing with mocha and zombie? I am using node.js and express
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[17:13] theycallmeswift: joqueonr: why do you need to define require?
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[17:14] doki_pen: is the punycode module included in node.js? I don't remember installing it, but it seems to work
[17:14] joqueonr: I am getting an error in my tests saying require is not defined
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[17:16] joqueonr: theycallmeswift: Here is the error: require is not defined referencError require is not defined
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[17:22] theycallmeswift: joqueonr: is there a line reference or anything like that? perhaps youre trying to run something in the browser that should be node only
[17:23] autarch: how can I print to std{out,err} without adding newlines or anything?
[17:23] autarch: console.log adds a newline, I just want to output some data as-is
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[17:24] benvie: process.stdout.write
[17:24] autarch: ah, thanks
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[17:28] autarch: with npm it seems like the prepublish script doesn't actually affect what gets published
[17:28] autarch: in other words, I want to use it to generate JS from CS source, but the JS isn't being included in the tarball
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[17:29] isaacs: autarch: are you ignoring the js files with a .gitignore or .npmignore?
[17:29] autarch: also, the postpublish script couldn't find the cake executable even though prepublish could
[17:29] autarch: isaacs: ah yes, with .gitignore
[17:29] isaacs: there ya go.
[17:29] isaacs: put an empty .npmignore there.
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[17:30] isaacs: (or at least, one that is the same as the .gitignore, except it doesn't ignore js)
[17:30] autarch: ok
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[17:30] autarch: any ideas about why it can't find cake in the postpublish step?
[17:30] isaacs: autarch: not sure.  postpublish is kind of an odd step, i forget when exactly that occurs.
[17:31] mmalecki: isaacs: hey, in node-tar, are all entry events guarenteed to fire before stream ends?
[17:31] EyePulp: can someone double-check my logic?  I have a server.js that calls to a module which builds a bunch of worker processes listening to incoming web requests.  at the server.js level I have a process.on('unhandledException',function(){…});  handler set up.  When a worker encounters an unhanded error, the handler gets called, but on my ubuntu box that's running server.js through upstart, it still restarts the whole thing, even though I th
[17:31] EyePulp: I was capturing the error.
[17:31] isaacs: autarch: it ought to be *after* you've already published, so, too late to do anything
[17:31] autarch: isaacs: it may not be necessary for what I'm doing, I just wanted to clean up the generate .js files
[17:31] isaacs: mmalecki: yes.
[17:31] mmalecki: isaacs: thanks!
[17:31] autarch: but if it's not actually happening in my working dir it doesn't matter
[17:31] mmalecki: bradleymeck: ^
[17:31] autarch: it'd be _really_ nice to have some sort of --no-upload option so I could test this stuff out
[17:32] AndreasMadsen: EyePulp: What do you use to create the cluster
[17:32] EyePulp: AndreasMadsen: I'm on 0.6.6, so the built in cluster module
[17:32] EyePulp: (if that's what you were asking =)
[17:32] AndreasMadsen: It is
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[17:32] autarch: I'll file an issue
[17:32] isaacs: autarch: i see.
[17:32] isaacs: autarch: bonus: this approach means that you can put coffee-script as a "devDependency" instead of a "dependency"
[17:32] isaacs: autarch: since it's only required on your machine, not on mine when i'm using your thing.
[17:33] autarch: isaacs: that's my goal
[17:33] autarch: I figure there's no reason to _not_ publish JS
[17:33] autarch: but I sure as hell don't want to write it if I don't have to ;)
[17:33] isaacs: autarch: thank you for being responsible.
[17:33] isaacs: :)
[17:33] autarch: heh
[17:33] EyePulp: AndreasMadsen: locally on my dev box (osx/0.6.6) the error gets handled correctly, the worker gets restarted and the master chugs on.
[17:33] isaacs: autarch: the more we can remove unnecessary compilation from install time, the better.
[17:34] autarch: yeah, I agree
[17:34] isaacs: i didnt' see how awful this was until it got too bad
[17:34] isaacs: but it's really quite bad.
[17:34] AndreasMadsen: EyePulp: process.on is only used in isMaster right
[17:34] autarch: it might be nice if eventually npm itself supported compiling on install
[17:34] isaacs: autarch: it does.
[17:34] autarch: oh, I had no idea
[17:34] isaacs: autarch: don't tell anyone!
[17:34] isaacs: autarch: :)
[17:35] isaacs: autarch: we're going to do pre-compile-on-publish for platform-specific binary packages very soon
[17:35] EyePulp: AndreasMadsen: I've moved it to a few different places to pin the behavior down.  One was under an isMaster if/then.  same problem
[17:35] EyePulp: I can move it back to re-verify though.
[17:35] AndreasMadsen: EyePulp: You how do detect when a worker is dead
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[17:35] AndreasMadsen: EyePulp: or falling
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[17:36] AndreasMadsen: EyePulp: How do detect when a worker is dead or falling
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[17:36] autarch: in general, it'd be nice if npmjs was more like metacpan.org
[17:36] autarch: I guess I'll file some more issues
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[17:37] EyePulp: AndreasMadsen: mmmm….  I don't explicitly detect it (though I have a cluster.on('death', function to start a new worker) 
[17:37] EyePulp: AndreasMadsen: and then I have the unhandled exception handler
[17:37] AndreasMadsen: EyePulp: The unhandled exception handler how do you use that to restart?
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[17:38] xxiao: running node as CLI, is ctrl-D the only way to quit cleanly?
[17:38] EyePulp: AndreasMadsen: I don't do any restarts under it - I use it to capture errors and send them to admins (via e-mail) and to our event logger (mix panel)
[17:39] tbranyen: xxiao: ctrl+c ctrl+c
[17:39] AndreasMadsen: EyePulp: Do you kill the worker process after the "exception handler" has been called?
[17:39] AndreasMadsen: In a worker
[17:39] xxiao: tbranyen: ctrl=c is normally a panic button to me
[17:40] isaacs: autarch: yeah, please file suggestions about the website here: https://github.com/isaacs/npmjs.org
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[17:40] EyePulp: AndreasMadsen: like with a process.exit() ?  No sir.
[17:40] isaacs: autarch: we'll be redoing that this year.
[17:40] autarch: isaacs: yep, found it
[17:40] tbranyen: xxiao: oh ctrl+d is panic for me i rarely use it
[17:40] tbranyen: i guess its preference
[17:40] xxiao: tbranyen: for ctrl-c i need do it twice
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[17:41] tbranyen: xxiao: right but you asked if there was any other way, and there is... so i told you ;-)
[17:41] tbranyen: you didn't ask what the quickest way was
[17:41] AndreasMadsen: EyePulp: That could be your problem, if the worker do a total crash the web worker might be half running (not working) but it will not be restarted because on('death') isn't called in Master.
[17:41] xxiao: tbranyen: ok. thanks
[17:41] xxiao: under certain python shell i could not even do ctrl-c
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[17:42] xxiao: and exit/quit did not quit either, so it's either ctrl-c followed by another ctrl-c, or ctrl-d
[17:42] AndreasMadsen: EyePulp: Try keeping it simple and then advance. 1: no exception handler but on('death') restart. 2: add an exception handler in master (this must not die). 3: add an exception handler in workers but kill the process with process.exit(1).
[17:43] AndreasMadsen: EyePulp: Have to go, look at .autoFork in ndreasMadsen/node-1/blob/master/lib/cluster.js
[17:43] autarch: isaacs: basically, copy metacpan.org for npmjs.org ;)
[17:43] isaacs: autarch: heh
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[17:43] autarch: obviously a big task
[17:43] isaacs: autarch: just as the npm client's goal is to make the cpan client look dated, slow, and awful by comparison, the goal of the website is to make metacpan seem like a thing of the past.
[17:43] autarch: I think support for Changes files and documentation are pretty key starting points
[17:43] isaacs: we learn from the best, and be better.
[17:44] mmalecki: isaacs: are you even planning to use my code?
[17:44] autarch: the cpan client _is_ slow, awful and dated!
[17:44] autarch: but it works
[17:44] isaacs: mmalecki: not sure yet.
[17:44] EyePulp: AndreasMadsen: can I let you look at a paste to see if there's an obvious logic problem with placement?  I'll remove all the goto commands so as not to embarrass myself.
[17:44] autarch: but the great thing about cpan isn't the client, it's the whole infrastructure
[17:44] mmalecki: isaacs: k. btw, there's one thing I like about cpan
[17:44] mmalecki: isaacs: running tests on installation
[17:44] isaacs: mmalecki: but the more i poke at this, the more i think a ground-up node website is best.
[17:44] autarch: the fact that I can go to metapcan and browse the docs for basically _every_ Perl module ever written is amazing
[17:44] isaacs: mmalecki: npm config set npat true
[17:44] isaacs: mmalecki: and you get tests on install.
[17:45] isaacs: enjoy your terrible slow installations that fail half the time for unreasonable reasons :)
[17:45] autarch: the other important thing is that showing Changes & docs, running tests, etc. all create a _cultural_ expectation
[17:45] isaacs: it was the default for a little while, and we all hated it.
[17:45] autarch: the Perl community expects modules to include docs, a Changes file, to have tests, etc
[17:45] qbit_: anyoen have any advice on troubleshooting a native module linking problem? 
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[17:46] mmalecki: isaacs: well, I'll take your word for that
[17:46] isaacs: autarch: yes, we are going to push for cultural changes.  but we can't improve on perl by JUST copying perl.  we have to grok why that makes perl great, and target it better.
[17:46] autarch: well, I'm talking big strokes
[17:46] isaacs: qv: JSAN
[17:46] isaacs: it's terrible.
[17:46] isaacs: no one uses it.
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[17:46] isaacs: yeah
[17:46] autarch: yeah, JSAN died a long time ago
[17:46] isaacs: big strokes :)
[17:46] isaacs: autarch: there are like 3 users who are super super into it.
[17:46] autarch: I was really into it for a while but it never took off
[17:46] isaacs: autarch: even have shims so that they can publish to npm and to jsan at the same time.
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[17:47] Aikar: the Joose  system still ties to it
[17:47] autarch: but otoh the website is a lot more useful than npmjs (except for a complete lack of libraries ;)
[17:48] autarch: well, I shouldn't say a _lot_ more useful, but it does some things right
[17:48] isaacs: autarch: yeah, that's cuz we focused on the relevant content first :)
[17:48] isaacs: but there's some catch-up to do
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[18:05] Aikar: is there any length limit on npm module names?
[18:06] teadict: it doesn't hurt to do some Sync things , rite?
[18:06] Aikar: I might be building a system on top of node.js and would want to prefix every module thats specific to this system
[18:06] Aikar: teadict: should avoid it after process start
[18:06] teadict: what process?
[18:06] Aikar: use it when the process is first starting to read configs and stuff
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[18:06] Aikar: the node process
[18:06] teadict: oh great
[18:06] Aikar: like, reading an SSL cert to start your HTTPS server, no reason to use async there
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[18:06] teadict: meanning the servers listenning?
[18:07] Lingerance: Yes
[18:07] teadict: great.. I used readdirSync() to load some database models before http server start
[18:07] Aikar: thats fine
[18:07] teadict: but inside express routes should be all async
[18:07] teadict: gotcha
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[18:11] teadict: mmm, this Sequelize doesn't have M <=> N support ):
[18:12] teadict: and I haven't seen another MySQL ORM
[18:12] Lingerance: :/ ORMs
[18:12] DonkeyHot: Good evening. Faced a problem with nodejs' basic example. After running simple "hello world" in terminal once, second time i can't run the same app cause port is already busy. 
[18:13] teadict: Lingerance: it's a model-heavy app ahead, kind of need it
[18:13] DonkeyHot: How i can avoid it?
[18:13] DonkeyHot: can i*
[18:13] Lingerance: Is the old one running still?
[18:13] teadict: which port?
[18:14] DonkeyHot: Nope. I closed the app and i can't run in after that.
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[18:14] teadict: if 80, kill apache
[18:14] AndreasMadsen: EyePulp: are you there
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[18:15] EyePulp: si
[18:15] DonkeyHot: Any port. In fact i can't run any app twice and have to change prot everytime.
[18:15] DonkeyHot: port*
[18:15] teadict: are you killing them after running?
[18:15] DonkeyHot: Yes.
[18:15] teadict: ps ax | grep node
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[18:16] DonkeyHot: Yes, they running :) How can i turn them off.
[18:16] DonkeyHot: ?
[18:16] DonkeyHot: they are*
[18:17] firebalrog: kill pid
[18:17] teadict: killall node
[18:17] teadict: or kill pid, yes
[18:17] firebalrog: pkill node
[18:17] DonkeyHot: Sorry for such silly qustion, but linux is not my native OS. 
[18:17] teadict: don't sweat it
[18:17] firebalrog: use forever
[18:18] firebalrog: npm install -g forever
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[18:18] firebalrog: forever -o myout.log -e myerr.log start app.js
[18:18] firebalrog: forever stop app.js
[18:18] DonkeyHot: One more silly question. How should i close script to avoid manual process killing?
[18:18] firebalrog: see forever above
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[18:19] DonkeyHot: Already looking at.
[18:19] DonkeyHot: Thanks.
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[18:19] teadict: well, node-orm doesn't look THAT bad
[18:19] firebalrog: also can create init.d script with forever that will launch node script on system boot
[18:19] teadict: doesn't have many to many either, though
[18:19] EyePulp: AndreasMadsen: yessir, still here
[18:20] AndreasMadsen: EyePulp: Do you have some code
[18:20] firebalrog: pm me for init.d script example
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[18:20] vkandy: guys does winston roll log files? if so how do i enable/configure that?
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[18:23] firebalrog: init.d to start two node scripts with forever http://pastebin.com/5eysWkgZ
[18:23] firebalrog: also uses nvm
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[18:25] firebalrog: one note on forever make and using init.d though make sure your paths are absolute to any files or that you use __dirname in express.
[18:25] mc: anyone having to manage multiple node installs for multiple applications on the same server?
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[18:25] firebalrog: no but if you use nvm and create multiple user accounts it shouldn't be a problem
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[18:26] firebalrog: you can specify which user to run things as in your init.d
[18:26] TheJH: someone did millions of connections to a node server somewhere, right? does anyone have a link?
[18:26] firebalrog: use nvm
[18:26] mc: that's more or less what i was looking to do
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[18:27] TheJH: ah, found it
[18:27] firebalrog: my app that the init.d above is for is for a app that runs on the client so i just setup as root because the machines are stripped down debian kiosks with chromium
[18:28] DonkeyHot: firebalrog: It's not already nodejs-about question, but problem hasn't gone. Firstly i can't kill node process even under root.  Secondly, i can't install 'forever'.
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[18:29] teadict: mm, Sequelize doesn't seem to have transactions, that's nto good...
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[18:29] firebalrog: kill -9 pid
[18:29] DonkeyHot: OS is Ubuntu, installed about an hout ago with no changes. Nodejs is installed from Chris Lea repository.
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[18:29] firebalrog: you may need to do sudo kill -9 pid
[18:30] DonkeyHot: What is '-9" in this command&
[18:30] DonkeyHot: ?
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[18:30] DonkeyHot: I'm under root right now.
[18:30] qbit_:  http://sprunge.us/QYIE node-expat - U Y NO LINK ev_default_loop_ptr?!?
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[18:31] Lingerance: DonkeyHot: It's telling kill to send SIGKILL instead of SIGTERM
[18:31] Lingerance: A process can catch SIGTERM and still run after, nothing can catch a SIGKILL though.
[18:32] bnoordhuis: chuck norris could
[18:32] firebalrog: chuck wouldn't even notice
[18:32] DonkeyHot: :)
[18:33] DonkeyHot: Node's processes was killed successfully. 
[18:34] DonkeyHot: How can i avoid this later?
[18:34] DonkeyHot: I'm closing node's server by Ctrl+Z. Am i doing something wrong?
[18:34] firebalrog: yes
[18:34] firebalrog: ctl z is suspend to background
[18:35] firebalrog: ctrl c is close
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[18:35] firebalrog: after ctrlz you can do fg to run in foreground or bg to run process in background
[18:36] firebalrog: for example start gedit from terminal terminal is now frozen but gui editor is focused press ctrl z in terminal and the editor is now frozen type bg and the editor will now work again and so will the terminal
[18:36] firebalrog: start your node like this           node app.js & 
[18:37] firebalrog: that will start the app as a background process to start with then when you want to stop it you will need to do a kill pid or pkill node
[18:37] mightym: hey guys I'm new to node.js, and maybe I'm not getting the concept right. i have a couchdb running and this part of the script http://pastie.org/3167697 this method should create a new user in my db, afterwards create a initial message for the user in the db, and afterwards in the last cb return the created user so that i can use it in my session in express. but i don't get it how to solve the last part, where i need the new created user object.
[18:37] DonkeyHot: Already tryed this with node-process. Thank you very much :)
[18:37] mightym: now i just get the id of the last callback, which is wrong … do i have to pass through a object trough all callbacks or how would one solve this? thx in advance!
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[18:41] firebalrog: donkey I usually have a couple of terminals open and just run node app.js then when I need it reloaded I do ctrlc to stop it. there are also some tools that watch your app for changes and restart node on changes.
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[18:47] DonkeyHot: firebalrog: While i'm just learning nodejs basics, i can launch scripts manually. Problem was with busy ports, but it was only my ignorance. Once more: thank you very much.
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[18:51] qbit_: anyone have any troubleshooting suggestions for node-expat not linking with libev correctly? : http://sprunge.us/QYIE 
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[18:52] kevinohara80: Does anyone know what would cause a package installed with npm to fail with this message - ERR! couldn't unpack /var/folders/Fy/FyWhCmQCGL0JiwsYISssKU+++TI/-Tmp-/npm-1326306867914/1326306867914-0.6828923975117505/tmp.tgz
[18:52] qbit_: kevinohara80: try with a different tar 
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[18:53] kevinohara80: qbit_: OK, will try that
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[18:54] qbit_: kevinohara80: in your .npmrc put "tar = /path/to/diff/tar"
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[19:00] mightym: well thank you anyways!
[19:01] firebalrog: what ver linux kevin?
[19:01] firebalrog: permissions could also be an issue kevin
[19:02] kevinohara80: mac os x
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[19:02] kevinohara80: never had a problem with any other package
[19:03] kevinohara80: 12 other packages install fine
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[19:04] qbit_: kevinohara80: could be an issue with that package too
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[19:06] kevinohara80: qbit_: I think it is. Any idea what could be wrong in the package that would cause this?
[19:06] qbit_: nope :P 
[19:07] jgaui: is the new cluster api any different than me running multiple instances on different ports and load balancing? (besides the obvious maintenance headache)
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[19:08] qbit_: kevinohara80: try different versions maybe? 
[19:09] qbit_: or straight from the repo: "npm install git://lablablab/bla.git"
[19:09] deoxxa: does npm care about versions if you give it a git url?
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[19:10] qbit_: don't think so 
[19:10] deoxxa: dang
[19:10] deoxxa: that'd be neat
[19:10] EyePulp: jgaui: which version of node's cluster?
[19:10] qbit_: but once you have the git repo - i think you can jus do "git checkout v0.yermom"
[19:10] markq: is there a way to hide redirects from the address bar?
[19:11] deoxxa: yeah, but i'm thinking more for automated deployments
[19:11] qbit_: mm
[19:11] deoxxa: we've got some stuff at work that is currently being handled with git submodules
[19:11] deoxxa: i'd rather it use semver
[19:11] deoxxa: it's a pain to go through and update every single dependent project when an internal library is updated
[19:11] qbit_: yeah
[19:12] qbit_: i have been using npm link
[19:12] qbit_: which is still a pain :P 
[19:12] deoxxa: yeah
[19:12] deoxxa: not easily automated, either
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[19:13] jgaui: EyePulp: 0.6
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[19:13] jgaui: I'm using ti's cluster lib on 0.4 now and I wonder if there's a good reason to update to 0.6
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[19:14] jgaui: tj*
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[19:15] kenperkins: does anyone run an app that has been invite only during private beta?
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[19:17] djazz: Error: connect Unknown system errno 10060
[19:18] djazz: at errnoException (net.js:640:11)
[19:18] djazz: at Object.afterConnect [as oncomplete] (net.js:631:18)
[19:18] djazz: on 0.6.7
[19:18] djazz: 10060 looks like it cant connect to a server, seen that error in php
[19:19] remysharp: is it possible for me to send a signal (like SIGINT) to a child process created using spawn?
[19:19] djazz: full error: http://pastebin.com/2TrZKJc0
[19:19] remysharp: I'm listening for the exit event on the child, and my main process is catching the SIGINT, but I can't quite work out how to pass it along to the child spawned process
[19:21] mnutt: remysharp: can't you just call childProcess.kill('SIGINT') ?
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[19:21] remysharp: mnutt: yeah, that's what I tried, but it's killing the child and the child isn't receiving the signal 
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[19:21] remysharp: mnutt: hense being a bit confused :-\
[19:22] mnutt: remysharp: and the child process does the right thing if you manually send it a SIGINT?
[19:22] sgfgdf: hello, guys! how can i see where are all default preinstalled modules that come with node.js?
[19:22] remysharp: mnutt: yep - I've got an event listen that chucks on the console and exits
[19:23] bnoordhuis: sgfgdf: in the api documentation?
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[19:24] EyePulp: jgaui: we were on 0.4.12 with ti's cluster, and I got concerned with our ability to upgrade and improve other modules while sticking on 0.4.12 - so I decided to swap out cluster and move up to 0.6.6
[19:24] djazz: help, someone?
[19:24] EyePulp: ti's, that is
[19:24] EyePulp: dang it - autocorrect keeps making "tj" into "ti"
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[19:25] mnutt: remysharp: sorry, I don't know much more than that.  I send kill("SIGQUIT") through and it works properly, I wonder why SIGINT would be special.
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[19:25] jgaui: hah
[19:25] jgaui: EyePulp: did you see any performance boosts?
[19:25] remysharp: mnutt: but you've had success with other signal - that's something I can test I guess. Maybe try other signals
[19:25] remysharp: mnutt: might be something special...
[19:26] mnutt: EyePulp: I'm working on the same thing, 0.6's cluster lacks a lot tj-cluster's nice features
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[19:26] EyePulp: jgaui: I don't have metrics to verify, but yes, it does seem more responsive overall.
[19:26] sgfgdf: bnoordhuis: do you mean this -- https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/modules ?
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[19:27] bnoordhuis: sgfgdf: no, this: http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/
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[19:28] remysharp: mnutt: yeah, there's something peculiar about SIGINT - SIGQUIT carries through
[19:28] mnutt: EyePulp: this is messy, but replicates most of what I need from tj-cluster: https://gist.github.com/1596313 (zero-downtime restarts don't quite work yet)
[19:28] EyePulp: mnutt: Yeah, we let it do a bunch of things which can be handled separately.  the plugins were nice.
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[19:29] AndreasMadsen: EyePulp, mnutt: Look at https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/2038 for inspiration it has a zero downtime restart method too.
[19:29] sgfgdf: bnoordhuis: so the link i gave contains external modules, right? are they only to be installed from npm?
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[19:30] bnoordhuis: sgfgdf: no, but installing with npm is usually easiest
[19:31] _rockbot_: hiya! Can someone please explain to me why this code snippet (http://pastebin.com/KnwYnYQf) is allowed? (Is it allowed? I found it in the mongoose documentation)
[19:31] zomg: _rockbot_: why would it not be allowed?
[19:31] sgfgdf: bnoordhuis: but what modules are those that i linked?
[19:32] tjfontaine: _rockbot_: method chaining
[19:32] zomg: _rockbot_: well, besides the obvious part on line 5
[19:32] _rockbot_: zomg: I don't know - I'm new to node.js; it's not something I've ever seen before
[19:32] zomg: It's just javascript
[19:32] mnutt: AndreasMadsen: awesome, I can't wait until that stuff makes it into the next release
[19:32] zomg: Nothing node-specific to it
[19:32] _rockbot_: (i'm a python/c++ person)
[19:32] tjfontaine: _rockbot_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_chaining#JavaScript
[19:32] _rockbot_: ah, new to JS, too :-)
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[19:32] zomg: Yeah it's basically just chaining methods, tjfontaine's link will prob explain it
[19:33] AndreasMadsen: mnutt: perhaps not all will, but I will make module if not - I'm currently wanting on final review on setupMaster.
[19:33] _rockbot_: ahhh, ok, thanks tjfontaine & zomg!
[19:33] tjfontaine: _rockbot_: aside from the anonymous function thrown in at the end, there's nothing there that can't be done in python and C++
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[19:33] EyePulp: AndreasMadsen: you expect this to land in … 0.8 ?
[19:34] AndreasMadsen: mnutt: you can always follow me on https://github.com/AndreasMadsen/ I don't do much else that cluster stuff :)
[19:34] zomg: Doesn't python have lambdas? Sorta like that =)
[19:34] _rockbot_: fair enough, but it's done differently :-)
[19:34] mnutt: AndreasMadsen: does the zero-downtime restart reload the code, or just restart all of the child processes? how does that work?
[19:34] tjfontaine: zomg: emphasis on the sorta
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[19:34] zomg: Yeah... :D
[19:34] bnoordhuis: sgfgdf: a big list of modules that people have created over time
[19:34] AndreasMadsen: EyePulp: Yes, a lot has already landed in v0.7
[19:35] _rockbot_: now, the snippet I had doesn't include commas between links in the chain, while the wikipedia version does - does it matter?
[19:35] AndreasMadsen: mnutt: It start a new worker from the file, so yes it will reload the new code.
[19:35] tjfontaine: _rockbot_: the . is the link
[19:35] bnoordhuis: sgfgdf: it's to give people a quick means to look for a module
[19:35] _rockbot_: ah, ok, so either have a . or a , ?
[19:35] bnoordhuis: sgfgdf: search.npmjs.org is another option
[19:35] tjfontaine: _rockbot_: ignore the fact that whitespace in python is a problem
[19:35] sgfgdf: bnoordhuis: one more question. can i found in my file system where does the default modules remain?
[19:36] _rockbot_: hey now, no need to hate on python here :-P
[19:36] tjfontaine: _rockbot_: the point is that python and whitespace are an exception not generally the rule
[19:36] _rockbot_: ah, ok
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[19:37] EyePulp: AndreasMadsen: there's some really cool stuff in here:  https://github.com/AndreasMadsen/node-1/blob/master/doc/api/cluster.markdown
[19:37] mnutt: AndreasMadsen: perfect, just what I need.  borrowing that for my app until it gets into master.
[19:37] EyePulp: I look forward to the upgrade.
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[19:39] AndreasMadsen: EyePulp: mnutt: Thanks I'm a hard working kid
[19:40] EyePulp: heh
[19:40] jgaui: EyePulp: other than cluster, any issues updating to 0.6?
[19:41] AndreasMadsen: EyePulp: May I ask what company this is.
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[19:43] EyePulp: jguai: Nope - I unfroze my package.json modules to use "latest" and ran the npm upgrade to catch up to 0.6.6 versions of each module (if any existed).  Then did all my testing.  Everything worked.  Then I re-froze things at their new versions, and away we went.
[19:43] EyePulp: AndreasMadsen: My company?  We're a small software shop in Illinois, USA
[19:44] bingomanatee: Cheeseware? 
[19:44] bingomanatee: :D
[19:44] sgfgdf: bnoordhuis: anyway, i found this require,paths, but it appears to be removed. the doc says to use node_modules dir. thanks for your help!
[19:44] EyePulp: bingomanatee: most of the time.
[19:44] CIA-101: node: 03Fedor Indutny 07v0.6 * r07701e7 10/ src/node_zlib.cc : zlib: C++ style fixes - http://git.io/mtfjJw
[19:44] EyePulp: bingomanatee: It's a good day when it reaches that level.
[19:45] AndreasMadsen: AndreasMadsen: Okay some big companys has asked about cluster stuff as well, so now I ask about it gently.
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[19:46] bingomanatee: cheese.on('hole', function(err, radius){ if (radius > 0.15) { /* mm */ cheese.type="swiss" });
[19:46] AndreasMadsen: EyePulp: Okay some big companys has asked about cluster stuff as well, so now I ask about it gently. 
[19:46] AndreasMadsen: I'm so smug that I write to my self :)
[19:47] EyePulp: heh - We're 10 people, with 4 devs.  Our size is small, but our code is mighty (mighty questionable).
[19:48] bnoordhuis: sgfgdf: my pleasure. re: location of built-in modules, they're compiled into the node binary
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[19:48] EyePulp: as a side note, is it just me, or is Amazon Prime about the coolest thing ever?
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[19:50] AndreasMadsen: EyePulp: Cool
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[19:52] chirag: Is this IRC channel used to get help with Node.js by chance?
[19:52] AndreasMadsen: YES
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[19:52] EyePulp: chi rag - mostly we share recipes for nachos.
[19:53] mightym: hey guys I'm new to node.js, and maybe I'm not getting the concept right. i have a couchdb running and this part of the script http://pastie.org/3167697 this method should create a new user in my db, afterwards create a initial message for the user in the db, and afterwards in the last cb return the created user so that i can use it in my session in express. but i don't get it how to solve the last part, where i need the new created user object.
[19:53] mightym: now i just get the id of the last callback, which is wrong … do i have to pass through a object trough all callbacks or how would one solve this? thx in advance!
[19:53] chirag: any recs on help with node.js errors? stackoverflow?
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[19:53] bnoordhuis: chirag: most people seem to visit the irc channel
[19:54] EyePulp: chirag: post your error
[19:54] chirag: node hello-console.js  FATAL ERROR: v8::Debug::SetDebugMessageDispatchHandler Error initializing V8
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[19:56] bnoordhuis: chirag: what node version?
[19:56] bnoordhuis: `node -v` should tell you
[19:57] chirag: node -v v0.6.6
[19:58] bnoordhuis: chirag: odd... what does hello-console.js look like? http://gist.github.com/
[19:58] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: I'm pretty sure it doesn't have that kind of UI
[19:59] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: you do standup comedy too? i'll come watch
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[20:00] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: I prefer to sit
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[20:00] mmalecki: *ba dum tsss*
[20:00] rio{: I made a really simple example of a question
[20:00] rio{: http://pastie.org/3168132
[20:00] rio{: what is best practice in this case
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[20:02] Lingerance: rio{: On line 6 in vim do: :s/data/this/
[20:03] rio{: thats the stream object
[20:03] Lingerance: Line 12: s/handler/handler.bind(self)/
[20:04] rio{: I mean two solutions are, 1) use bind 2) Create the handler inside the scope of connect
[20:04] rio{: neither I like really
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[20:04] Lingerance: Well have fun not having a valid solution then.
[20:04] rio{: So I was hoping someone could teach me a better way
[20:04] Lingerance: Use .bind()
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[20:05] astropirate: I am the greetest!
[20:05] torvalamo: greetiest of them all!
[20:05] EyePulp: _.bind() ?
[20:05] Lingerance: If you still want access to the stream: .bind(null, self) and handler = function(room, data) {
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[20:06] Lingerance: No, Function.prototype.bind()
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[20:07] josephmoniz: as long as the callback doesn't expect any args you can curry the Room context as the first arg
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[20:08] Lingerance: Curry is what .bind(null, ...) does right?
[20:08] djazz: yay i solved it!
[20:08] djazz: forgot an error listener
[20:08] djazz: :P
[20:08] josephmoniz: Lingerance: unfortunately yes
[20:09] josephmoniz: i can't stand how .bind has two very different major use cases though
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[20:10] josephmoniz: bind should just be for context binding, partial function application should have been it's own function
[20:10] josephmoniz: :(
[20:11] rio{: But so the best practice is actually using bind() ?
[20:11] Lingerance: Pretty much
[20:11] josephmoniz: it's the native way
[20:11] Lingerance: Anything else is just extra lines of code.
[20:11] josephmoniz: i'd be hesitant to call it the best practice though
[20:11] isaacs: EyePulp: why not just leave your dependencies flexible in package.json, and commit the stuff into git?
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[20:13] EyePulp: isaacs - not sure I follow.  I freeze them to keep them at versions I know are working, and… we use mercurial for dvcs… =)
[20:13] isaacs: EyePulp: oh, then check into mercurial :)
[20:14] isaacs: EyePulp: this is something you deploy to production, like an app or something?
[20:14] josephmoniz: rio{: you could refactor it into an object factory
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[20:14] EyePulp: isaacs: yessir.  It's an app on a bunch of boxes behind a loadbalancer
[20:14] isaacs: EyePulp: yeah, you should definitely be checking deps into source control then
[20:14] isaacs: 
ACTION is about to give a talk on this...

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[20:15] EyePulp: isaacs: ah, you mean rather than installing via npm?
[20:15] isaacs: EyePulp: well, use npm in development to update, test, etc etc
[20:16] isaacs: EyePulp: but on your production machines, then you can just take a snapshot of what's in source control, and it's one step
[20:16] isaacs: you might have to `npm rebuild` to build any binary deps
[20:16] isaacs: so npm might have a place in the process.
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[20:16] isaacs: but fetching from a registry (or even more than one git remote) at deploy time is super hazardous.
[20:16] EyePulp: isaacs: I see - I was trying to avoid the bloat of storing all that stuff in my repo
[20:16] isaacs: EyePulp: it's not much bloat, really
[20:17] EyePulp: I can see your point.
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[20:17] isaacs: or rather, the trade-off between a few KLoC in source control vs randomly breaking builds is heavily tilted in one direction.
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[20:17] EyePulp: anyone know where the in the process object I'll find the command line args being passed in?
[20:18] isaacs: EyePulp: process.argv
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[20:18] EyePulp: ah -- cool
[20:18] isaacs: EyePulp: the first is always process.execPath and the second is always require.main.filename
[20:18] isaacs: so, the good stuff starts at process.argv[2]
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[20:18] isaacs: but 0 and 1 are occasionally interesting.
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[20:19] isaacs: also, stuff like --expose-gc is stripped off, if it's an arg that node responds to
[20:19] isaacs: (or v8)
[20:19] EyePulp: understood - I think I'm using your nopt(is that yours?)
[20:19] mmalecki: isaacs: is this stuff accessible somewhere later?
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[20:21] deedubs: "jashkenas: for the record (although I'm sure you've heard already) Ryan has said that he wishes he hadn't gone with a pseudo CommonJS api for Node's requires, and that they worked more like script tags."
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[20:21] deedubs: is that true?
[20:21] CIA-101: node: 03Fedor Indutny 07master * r07701e7 10/ src/node_zlib.cc : zlib: C++ style fixes - http://git.io/mtfjJw
[20:21] CIA-101: node: 03Fedor Indutny 07master * r9e6957b 10/ (10 files in 4 dirs): 
[20:21] CIA-101: node: Merge branch 'v0.6'
[20:21] CIA-101: node: Conflicts:
[20:21] CIA-101: node:  src/handle_wrap.cc
[20:21] CIA-101: node:  src/node_zlib.cc
[20:21] CIA-101: node:  src/process_wrap.cc - http://git.io/FJmlLA
[20:21] deedubs: ryah: ^^
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[20:21] Brandon_R: hey guys
[20:22] Brandon_R: haven't been on lately
[20:22] Brandon_R: what did i miss?
[20:22] astropirate: not is no longer hip :(
[20:22] astropirate: *node
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[20:22] astropirate: HN has forsaken us
[20:23] qbit_: ha
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[20:23] tauren_: i just installed node on my work osx system behind the Nike firewall. doing an npm install whatever fails. if I do a wifi tether to my cell phone, it works. 
[20:24] tauren_: but i can bring up https://registry.npmjs.org/whatever in my browser. isn't just port 80 and 443 used by npm?
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[20:24] qbit_: node:/usr/local/lib/node_modules/hook.io/node_modules/weak/build/Release/weakref.node: undefined symbol 'ev_default_loop_ptr'
[20:24] qbit_: sonofa
[20:25] qbit_: nm /usr/local/lib/node_modules/hook.io/node_modules/weak/build/Release/weakref.node  | grep ev_default_loop_ptr U ev_default_loop_ptr
[20:25] qbit_: h9
[20:26] qbit_: so - i think something is borked with libuv on openbsd
[20:26] qbit_: or something
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[20:27] torvalamo: if node is no longer hip that just means it's mature enough to take seriously
[20:27] qbit_: every compiled module I try to load bombs out with ev_default_loop_ptr being an undefined symbol
[20:28] astropirate: torvalamo: nay sir, it means it is to be abandoned with the other great faliars like JSP and RoR every one back to PHP!
[20:28] isaacs: tauren_: you may need to set a proxy or something?  i duinno.
[20:28] isaacs: EyePulp: yes, nopt is mine.
[20:28] torvalamo: astropirate, you are right, let us all go back to 2004, promptly
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[20:29] astropirate: I made a time machine with node.. but unfortunately can't use it for obvious reasons :(
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[20:30] tauren_: isaacs: thanks, i found the NPM docs. didn't have to do this at home, so missed it before.
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[20:38] tauren_: isaacs: yep, just needed to set HTTP_PROXY and HTTPS_PROXY. thanks!
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[20:40] bnoordhuis: qbit_: what does `node -v` say?
[20:40] qbit_: v0.6.7
[20:41] bnoordhuis: we probably turned on -fvisibility=hidden
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[20:41] qbit_: bnoordhuis: not sure what that is
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[20:42] qbit_: ah - the v8 setting
[20:42] bnoordhuis: and not just v8
[20:42] qbit_:  'visibility%': 'hidden',         # V8's visibility setting
[20:42] qbit_: yep
[20:43] qbit_: so that would prevent things from linking correctly? 
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[20:43] bnoordhuis: yes - only i don't remember us turning that on...
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[20:43] qbit_: heh
[20:44] zomg: My app collects some statistics and stuff which would need some aggregation and cleanup of old items, would you recommend running a separate node process for this purpose of having a setInterval or something?
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[20:45] astropirate: zomg: either will do
[20:45] bnoordhuis: qbit_: it wfm on linux btw
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[20:45] geekbri: Is there an official PPA for node.js?
[20:45] qbit_: bnoordhuis: me too :P 
[20:45] zomg: astropirate: yeah will probably keep it in the same process since it's easier to manage. Just thought perhaps someone smarter than me has some opinions on it =)
[20:45] bnoordhuis: geekbri: official? no
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[20:46] qbit_: bnoordhuis: should I just remove that line? or set it to something else? 
[20:46] qbit_: ( for testingh ) 
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[20:47] qbit_: seems like "default" is a real option
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[20:47] bnoordhuis: qbit_: how are you compiling? `./configure && make`?
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[20:47] geekbri: bnoordhuis: ok how about.... unofficial but totally awesome and up to date :)
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[20:47] qbit_: bnoordhuis: basically.. it's from openbsd's ports
[20:48] bnoordhuis: geekbri: chris lea puts out ppas from time to time
[20:48] geekbri: bnoordhuis: ah ok thanks, i suppose i can just build by hand :)
[20:48] bnoordhuis: qbit_: maybe try compiling from joyent/node (git checkout v0.6.7 first)
[20:48] qbit_: yeah .. same issue 
[20:49] qbit_: the port is downloading the tarball straight from nodejs.org
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[20:49] bnoordhuis: does it apply patches?
[20:49] qbit_: yeah - but non that set that 
[20:49] qbit_: 
ACTION is the maintainer of said port

[20:50] bnoordhuis: ah :)
[20:50] joshsmith: if someone could offer some help on this, I'd be most appreciative: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8826371/module-exports-function-undefined-when-passing-in-a-variable
[20:50] bnoordhuis: hmm, maybe add -fvisibility=default to the wscript?
[20:50] tjfontaine: I don't know ports, but visibility is one of those cflags that seem like they would be inherited from an obsd policy
[20:52] tjfontaine: for instance http://code.google.com/p/v8/issues/detail?id=889
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[20:52] booyaa: greets
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[20:52] qbit_: tjfontaine: yeah.. I am verifying that now 
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[20:53] fantastikibne: does freenode keep logs
[20:53] qbit_: heh
[20:54] booyaa: no not really
[20:54] tjfontaine: not if they know what's best for them
[20:54] booyaa: fantastikibne: but debuggable.com may have the logs for this help
[20:54] qbit_: but you can bet people in the channel are logging :P 
[20:54] booyaa: fantastikibne: http://nodejs.debuggable.com/
[20:54] bnoordhuis: fantastikibne: http://nodejs.debuggable.com/
[20:54] fantastikibne: i was pasted a pastebin.com
[20:54] bnoordhuis: damn!
[20:54] booyaa: <--- won
[20:54] fantastikibne: link i search for it
[20:54] booyaa: hahaha
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[20:55] booyaa: bnoordhuis: well your commit-fu on nodejs kinda eclipses me anyhoo
[20:55] bnoordhuis: thanks, that's at least some consolation
[20:55] qbit_: commit-fu - i like it 
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[20:55] booyaa: anyone else on geekli.st?
[20:55] booyaa: look for peeps to follow
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[20:55] booyaa: qbit_: you've seeen the high score table right?
[20:56] fantastikibne: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=fWkJNzMZ oh yeah
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[20:56] qbit_: don't think so 
[20:56] qbit_: i hav efor npm stuff
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[20:57] booyaa: qbit_: http://github-high-scores.heroku.com/joyent/node/high_scores/
[20:58] qbit_: nice
[20:58] qbit_: that is an awesome font
[20:58] booyaa: <3 github high scores
[20:58] purr: Let it be known that booyaa hearts github high scores.
[20:58] booyaa: arf
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[20:59] booyaa: .. eval('var woot=\'woot\'; console.log(woot)')
[20:59] catb0t:  Exception: ReferenceError: console is not defined
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[21:00] booyaa: ;)
[21:00] CoverSlide: .. eval('var woot=\'woot\'; print(woot)')
[21:00] catb0t:  "woot"
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[21:00] CoverSlide: .. console = {log: print}
[21:00] catb0t:  { log:[Function: print] }
[21:00] CoverSlide: .. eval('var woot=\'woot\'; console.log(woot)')
[21:00] catb0t:  "woot"
[21:01] booyaa: CoverSlide: is it your bot?
[21:01] CoverSlide: .. 'use strict'
[21:01] catb0t:  "use strict"
[21:01] CoverSlide: nope
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[21:01] CoverSlide: .. v = 10
[21:01] catb0t:  10
[21:01] CoverSlide: .. ''use strict'v = 10
[21:01] catb0t:  Exception: SyntaxError: Unexpected identifier
[21:01] CoverSlide: .. ''use strict';v = 10
[21:01] catb0t:  Exception: SyntaxError: Unexpected identifier
[21:01] CoverSlide: .. 'use strict';v = 10
[21:01] catb0t:  10
[21:02] booyaa: CoverSlide: ah, wanted to know if someone saves the variable state
[21:02] CoverSlide: apparently it does
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[21:03] fantastikibne: http://zgadzaj.com/benchmarking-nodejs-basic-performance-tests-against-apache-php
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[21:06] ben_alman: is there any way to disable the automatic setting of the "_" variable in the REPL?
[21:06] ben_alman: it's wreaking havok with async code that uses underscore
[21:06] CoverSlide: what sets _ ?
[21:06] warz: undefined for me
[21:06] ben_alman: CoverSlide: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.3.1/api/repl.html#rEPL_Features
[21:07] ben_alman: result of the last expression
[21:07] ben_alman: wish it was $_
[21:07] warz: ah, i see.
[21:07] ben_alman: to be more like every other language i've ever used :P
[21:07] ben_alman: and to not conflict ith _
[21:07] ben_alman: :/
[21:07] fantastikibne: i need date tools for check my script how much time takes?
[21:07] CoverSlide: except node doesn't have sigils
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[21:07] fantastikibne: any example sources?
[21:07] warz: i just think its dumb that libs choose to use symbols, like underscore and $
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[21:08] CoverSlide: so technicall,y in perl, the variable would really be _
[21:08] ben_alman: CoverSlide: $ is a valid named identifier character
[21:08] ben_alman: so $_ would work just fine
[21:08] ben_alman: at least, it would be nice if there was an option
[21:09] chilts: heh, $_ looks like Perl :)
[21:09] astropirate: I wouldn't but if the lib requires you to keep using its name often it is handy. If you write apps on jquery its annoying to write jQuery('FOOO') everywhere as apposed to $('FOOO')
[21:09] astropirate: chilts: or php server vars :(
[21:09] chilts: ah true, though I'm less versed with PHP :)
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[21:11] CoverSlide: but you can always do this: (function($){$("blah")}(jQuery))
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[21:12] ben_alman: yeah in this case i happen to be setting a global _ for convenience across multiple files
[21:12] ben_alman: too keep people from having to constantly require it
[21:12] ben_alman: guess i can't do that :P
[21:12] ben_alman: i'll just call it "underscore" then
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[21:13] CoverSlide: (function(_){_(whatever)}(underscore))
[21:13] CoverSlide: yay!
[21:13] CoverSlide: gg ben
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[21:13] ben_alman: again, this is a global, intentionally
[21:13] CoverSlide: btw bbq rox
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[21:13] ben_alman: thanks
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[21:16] EyePulp: bbq?  
[21:16] EyePulp: 
ACTION looks at the chips he's eating

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[21:17] qbit_: hm.. -fvisibility=default doesn't seem to help
[21:17] CoverSlide: EyePulp: http://benalman.com/projects/jquery-bbq-plugin/
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[21:19] qbit_: ohlol the wscript has visibility=default
[21:19] EyePulp: 
ACTION is enjoying the narratives regarding bbq's use.

[21:19] ben_alman: heh
[21:19] CIA-101: node: 03Fedor Indutny 07master * r71ae175 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[21:19] CIA-101: node: zlib: reset() method for deflate/inflate streams
[21:19] CIA-101: node: * ammended test-zlib-dictionary to cover reusing streams - http://git.io/NRBwnQ
[21:19] CIA-101: node: 03Fedor Indutny 07master * r89556f5 10/ src/node_zlib.cc : zlib: C++ style fixes for dictionary - http://git.io/Pef9Xw
[21:20] qbit_: well crap
[21:20] booyaa: i approve of that plugin's name
[21:20] booyaa: ben_alman++ # bbq
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[21:30] devinus: is everybody using nvm, nave, or n these days?
[21:30] cyborg: nvm personally
[21:31] booyaa: nvm
[21:31] devinus: unsure how to even use n if you dont already have npm
[21:31] devinus: kind of sucks that i can't do nvm install latest
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[21:32] EyePulp: nave!
[21:33] CoverSlide: nave has lastest
[21:33] EyePulp: though I don't have a reason
[21:33] CoverSlide: n seems to want to install in /usr/local or something, haven't tried it but once
[21:33] CoverSlide: nvm i don't like having to source it every time
[21:34] CoverSlide: personally I have a ~/bin/node symlink that points to whichever version I want to use
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[21:34] fantastikibne: hi as example
[21:35] fantastikibne: console.log('Su kadar surdu %d',(new Date().getTime()/1000)-baslama); %d i float whats integer and other data types?
[21:35] booyaa: %j for json?
[21:35] booyaa: gah can't remember
[21:35] fantastikibne: i want to learn how much secs passed
[21:36] fantastikibne: while running script
[21:36] fantastikibne: var start=new Date().getTime() / 1000; ... codes .. console.log('got that much %d',(new Date().getTime()/1000)-start);
[21:37] fantastikibne: %d shows float so whats the integer
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[21:41] fantastikibne: how can i convert a float data to int?
[21:42] ryanrolds_w: fantastikibne: I assume you're wanting to round it.
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[21:43] ryanrolds_w: fantastikibne: Math.floor or Math.ceil should work.
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[21:43] velts: i am having issues installing node.js
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[21:43] velts: i have tried doing to the make way and i got one error, tried with a package manager and got another erorr
[21:43] ryanrolds_w: fantastikibne: Oh and Math.round()
[21:44] ryanrolds_w: velts: What were the errors?
[21:44] velts: http://pastebin.com/JVuNtj0v <-- error from make
[21:45] velts: http://pastebin.com/JspGZwJW <-- error from PM
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[21:46] velts: i followed both instruction from the wiki on github
[21:46] ryanrolds_w: velts: What distro?
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[21:47] velts: CentOS release 6.1 (Final)
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[21:50] fantastikibne: how can i
[21:50] ryanrolds_w: If I remember correctly that message means you need libz
[21:50] fantastikibne: how can i execute  func on script is finished need to exit?
[21:51] qbit_: bnoordhuis: -fvisibility=default doesn't seemto help 
[21:52] ryanrolds_w: velts: Try installing  zlib-devel
[21:52] velts: ahh
[21:52] velts: i have zlib, but not zlib-devel
[21:53] ryanrolds_w: :)
[21:53] velts: bam!
[21:53] velts: worked
[21:53] velts: thanks
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[21:53] fantastikibne:   process.on('exit', onExit); ok works
[21:53] ryanrolds_w: np.
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[21:58] evanpage: is there away to get the hostname of hte server a script is executing on?  The DNS API doesn't appear to support it.
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[21:59] ryanrolds_w: evanpage: http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/all.html#os.hostname
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[21:59] evanpage: ty.
[21:59] ryanrolds_w: That will get you the hostname, are you looking for the FQDN?
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[22:02] jocafa: popcorn jellybellys are foul.
[22:02] jocafa: that is all.
[22:02] fantastikibne: whats different betweent http.get - http.request
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[22:03] NothingMan65: Hey y'all,  g'evenin'.
[22:03] secoif: fantastikibne .get is a helper for .request
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[22:03] stride: fantastikibne: as the docs say, get is request + end
[22:03] secoif: .request you can do post/get/delete/ etc
[22:03] evanpage: ryanrolds_w: no, just the hostname, thanks!
[22:03] NothingMan65: I was wonderin'. What's the best way run/interface with a subprocess via node.js?
[22:03] secoif: fantastikibne http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/all.html#http.get
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[22:05] stride: nothingman65: personally I like dnode and the built-in messaging http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/child_processes.html#child_process.fork 
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[22:05] dob_: Do you know any project / taskmanagement software written in node?
[22:05] stride: (the latter only works when your child process is also a node script)
[22:05] NothingMan65: Lovely stride, suits me great!
[22:05] NothingMan65: I'll check out dnode.
[22:06] Vince_: Hi! I'm quite new to node.js and I'd like to write a chat app. I think node can be a good choice, but what should I choose as backend database? I know SQL (mysql, etc) and read a bit about noSQL... is Mango or Couch databases a better choice? Why?
[22:06] fantastikibne: is there any way to dont wait to response for make faster requests?
[22:06] EyePulp: Vince_: any of those will work.  we use mongodb and redis.
[22:06] Vince_: thx eyepulp. Why 2 databases?
[22:07] secoif: Vince_ think of redis a bit like you'd think of memcached
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[22:07] stride: fantastikibne: http.get/http.request are async, you don't really wait for anything there. you could close the connection as soon as data arrives but some servers might hate you for doing that
[22:07] EyePulp: Vince_: we use redis for session data and mongo for longer term more structured storage.
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[22:07] Vince_: Unfortunately I don't know memcached. Is it about sharing info between several instances of node?
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[22:08] jesusabdullah: memcached is an in-memory caching layer
[22:08] astropirate: memcached is soooo yesterday
[22:08] secoif: Vince_ you can use redis as a kind of smart caching layer
[22:08] EyePulp: Vince_: it can be used like that.  the point being there are a lot of DB options.  redis is nice because it's in-memory and very fast for reads
[22:08] jesusabdullah: right, memcachedb is obvs where it's at
[22:09] secoif: fantastikibne what do you mean don't wait for a response to make faster requests?
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[22:09] secoif: fantastikibne just start a new request, and don't wait for the response :/
[22:09] jerrysv: Vince_: http://pragprog.com/book/rwdata/seven-databases-in-seven-weeks might be a good resource
[22:10] Vince_: so mongo would be used for logging, whereas redis would store latest posts from every client?
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[22:11] fantastikibne:  for(i=0;i<limit;i++) { options.path='/i; https.get(options); } when i send requests like that
[22:11] fantastikibne: does it write to the same socket or opens new one?
[22:12] EyePulp: Vince_: that's an option.  As mentioned, you can use any db solution or flat-files to solve this.  Or a combo of DB's.  None of them *won't* work for this issue.
[22:13] Vince_: what would be better between mango and couch then? 
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[22:13] EyePulp: Vince_: what is "mango" ?
[22:13] secoif: fantastikibne with that, it won't wait, it will send all fo the requests one after the other
[22:13] markq: mango lolol
[22:13] Vince_: thx again eyepulp
[22:13] Vince_: mongo sorry ;)
[22:13] EyePulp: Vince_: and the answer is "neither"
[22:14] secoif: fantastikibne I mean. it will start each request immediately after starting the previous one, with no regard for whether the previous has completed or not
[22:14] secoif: fantastikibne is magic of async.
[22:14] jesusabdullah: Couch is pretty nice for a kind of "general" database
[22:14] jesusabdullah: I've found
[22:15] fantastikibne: secoif: thats why im coding my first nodejs script
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[22:15] Vince_: hum
[22:15] EyePulp: Vince_: we;ve used both in the past and currently use Mongo.  both it and couch are well supported and documented.
[22:16] EyePulp: * use mongo for our chat solution
[22:16] secoif: fantastikibne awesome
[22:16] dnyy: hrm, quick js question. i have an object that gets returned that has some useful functions on it to use for HTML elements. i'd like to use regular JS functions on it as well, how can I do this? totally stumped.
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[22:16] secoif: dnyy can you show us some code. I don't understand.
[22:16] fantastikibne: secoif: i need to make millions of api call
[22:17] dnyy: secoif: yeah, doing that, didn't think i explained it very well
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[22:17] secoif: dnyy what do you mean 'use regular JS functions on it as well' what is it? what's an irregular JS function?
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[22:17] dnyy: i mean a native one, hold up i'm pasting
[22:18] insin: function O____________o () {}
[22:18] ryanrolds_w: haha
[22:18] Vince_: ok great! last piece of advice please: I'm looking for a nice coding environment, with closing ]})' etc and autocompletion of node/socketio objects. What would you recommend?
[22:18] EyePulp: function immodium_ad(){};  ?
[22:19] dnyy: secoif: http://pastie.org/private/tbwyrwfkhdgrihzfutgrq
[22:19] secoif: fantastikibne what are you building
[22:19] dnyy: hope that makes sense
[22:19] dnyy: seems like a pretty noobish question, but i've never had to do it, so i'm kinda stumped on the best way
[22:19] dnyy: i could extend the DOM element prototype, but not sure if that's the greatest idea
[22:19] EyePulp: Vince_: now you're asking for editor recommendations?  do you hate people?
[22:19] fantastikibne: secoif: i have some applications in facebook php & curl is slower
[22:19] maxogden: node point javascript rule 33: never extend native object primitives
[22:19] fantastikibne: secoif: i have to make many facebook api calls
[22:19] dnyy: maxogden: well, it's for a browser extension, but yeah i concur
[22:20] dnyy: i asked in here because it's the only JS related channel i'm in, lol
[22:20] Vince_: lol sorry. I'm coming from Java/Eclipse/Pgsql/PHP... world so all this is quite new to me!
[22:21] EyePulp: Vince_: I'm on osx-  I did use TextMate, and now I use SublimeText2 -  they both do the completions to varying degrees, but it won't be as full featured as the huge IDE your used to.
[22:21] secoif: dnyy yeah that's going to be a pain, why aren't you using jquery
[22:21] dnyy: secoif: for whatever stupid reason, the client wants it done from scratch
[22:22] dnyy: because "size matters" or something equally dumb
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[22:22] dnyy: i mean, it's been fun making it from scratch i guess, but would definitely be quicker and easier to use an already-there library, but alas
[22:23] secoif: dnyy I'd use composition… just make the dom element available via an .el param on your Element
[22:23] dnyy: secoif: hah, exactly what i just did
[22:23] dnyy: testing it now
[22:23] dnyy: it's not as clean, but really not sure how to do it otherwise
[22:23] Vince_: EyePulp: I was really interested in the completion ability. Entering the dot in Eclipse and crawling the available functions is just so useful...
[22:23] secoif: dnyy rule number one: never listen to clients
[22:23] dnyy: and i imagine it'd be a pain either way
[22:23] dnyy: right hate contract work :(
[22:23] dnyy: just doing it in between jobs
[22:23] Vince_: (I'm using Ubuntu)
[22:24] jocafa: see: http://clientsfromhell.net/
[22:24] EyePulp: Vince_: I think sublimetext2 has that to a certain degree, but I've only started digging into it's plugins.
[22:24] secoif: dnyy give the client what they want/need, but that's usually not what they're asking for.
[22:25] secoif: dnyy http://microjs.com/#dom
[22:25] Vince_: I've seen cloud9, but it's still missing many functionalities
[22:25] secoif: dnyy save yourself a headache and pick one of these
[22:25] dnyy: secoif: yes! i was looking for that site when they brought it up but couldn't remember the name
[22:25] dnyy: thanks muches for that
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[22:28] secoif: np
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[22:39] firebalrog: VIM and EMACS Rules
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[22:44] jesusabdullah: I USE A LOW POWERED GUI EDITOR WHAT OF IT
[22:44] NothingMan65: Notepad ftw
[22:44] jesusabdullah: not *that* shitty
[22:44] jesusabdullah: I'm using gedit
[22:44] NothingMan65: lol
[22:44] jesusabdullah: meaning I get syntax hilighting and tabs
[22:44] NothingMan65: Splittin hairs m8
[22:44] jesusabdullah: but none of the other bells/whistles
[22:45] NothingMan65: 5 space tabs win always
[22:45] jesusabdullah: You disgust me.
[22:45] NothingMan65: Haha
[22:45] jesusabdullah: hehe
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[22:45] jesusabdullah: I use 2space if only cause of work
[22:45] jesusabdullah: but it "looks right" now so
[22:45] NothingMan65: I code in "Algerian"
[22:45] markq: notepad++
[22:45] Vince_: Just read Eclipse can handle js and debug with V8 debugger... anyone using Eclipse as node IDE?
[22:45] jesusabdullah: at least one person is I'm sure
[22:46] chjj: whats going on here? just use vim, problem solved ;)
[22:46] NothingMan65: I set it up Vince_, tried to get seamless client-server debugging setup
[22:46] NothingMan65: chjj, notepad.exe with Algerian size 14
[22:46] firebalrog: Yea I use Eclipse, when I need to go brew a pot of coffee and make a sandwich before it starts
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[22:47] sechrist: So the fibers project for node has been around a while, and I see how it's neat
[22:47] sechrist: I just can't imagine a circumstance where it's necessary 
[22:47] sechrist: or even smooths over any pain points to the point where you'd use a custom compiled node
[22:47] firebalrog: last time I looked none of your gui editors worked in a terminal on a vps without a x installed
[22:47] chjj: NothingMan65: i just realized i have notepad on wine right now. going to use it from now on.
[22:47] jesusabdullah: firebalrog: Hey, I'll use vim when the situation calls for it
[22:47] NothingMan65: chjj, excellent padawan... Another convertee...
[22:47] sechrist: can anybody give a usecase where fibers are much better at implementing something?
[22:47] chjj: haha
[22:48] jesusabdullah: sechrist: I can't but that doesn't mean much
[22:48] jesusabdullah: oh, also
[22:48] firebalrog: in my clothes fibers are very important
[22:48] jesusabdullah: MY OTHER EDITOR IS GIST.GITHUB.COM
[22:48] jesusabdullah: oh man that would be a sweet bumper sticker
[22:48] markq: pwned
[22:48] chjj: jesusabdullah: i can tell by how often you update your gists
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[22:48] jesusabdullah: I know! You being here reminded me of it
[22:48] jesusabdullah: hahaha
[22:49] chjj: lol
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[22:49] firebalrog: the gist of this conversation is making me laugh
[22:49] sechrist: is there a filesize limit on gists?
[22:49] NothingMan65: Well, I mean notepad.exe for backend stuff and Word 97 for frontend dev.
[22:49] markq: 100MB
[22:49] sechrist: jesus christ
[22:49] jesusabdullah: hahahaha
[22:49] markq: nah idk
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[22:49] jesusabdullah: I remember when Word 97 was getting pirated about by my friends
[22:49] sechrist: fuse -> gist sharded filesystem
[22:49] jesusabdullah: the cd said, "fuck you microsoft"
[22:49] NothingMan65: I use lynx for my desk tests
[22:49] markq: hahaha
[22:49] firebalrog: Chuck Noris desn't need an editor the code writes itself
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[22:49] NothingMan65: The paperclip actually helps with my css.
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[22:50] firebalrog: yah clippy knows where to div
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[22:50] NothingMan65: What's a div?
[22:50] markq: :O
[22:50] warz: im writing my first module that i intend to be reused, and hopefully it can help others too, but when im writing async functions, i notice the common callback params are usually something like (error, result).
[22:50] firebalrog: 6 div 3 = 2
[22:50] NothingMan65: Ah! Thanks FIQ
[22:50] warz: whats the common way for specifying an error return?
[22:50] sechrist: what's a what?
[22:50] NothingMan65: Whoops, firebalrog
[22:51] tbranyen: warz: i usually send back a message
[22:51] warz: callback(new Error('some error'), undefined) ?
[22:51] stride: warz: yep
[22:51] NothingMan65: I think node should change the standard name for "callback" to "beeper"
[22:51] firebalrog: my code knows better than to call back Chuck N.
[22:52] NothingMan65: Okay though, seriously, who had a beeper when they were a kid?
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[22:52] markq: hwo many people listen to music while coding?
[22:52] NothingMan65: Spotify ftw?
[22:52] warz: i usually cant listen to music. i just get distracted.
[22:52] NothingMan65: No lyrics
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[22:53] markq: yea no lyrics for sure but most of the time i can't listen to anything...
[22:53] markq: inception soundtrack in the background lol
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[22:54] NothingMan65: Deadmau5, Skrillex, Pendelum, Calvin Harris for lots of actual coding
[22:54] EyePulp: BWAAAAH
[22:54] EyePulp: !
[22:54] zomg: WUBWUBWUBWUB
[22:54] stagas: markq: http://radioplz.com/deep-mix-moscow all day long
[22:54] sechrist: every time somebody mentions beepers
[22:54] sechrist: I think of Hey Arnold
[22:54] NothingMan65: Maybe more Explosions in the Sky, Brian Eno, NIN for when "developing"
[22:55] NothingMan65: Omg Hey Arnold!!
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[22:55] NothingMan65: You're in your mid 20s sechrist
[22:55] stride: markq: inception soundtrack? doesn't that make you code backwards and leave out all closing brackets?
[22:55] sechrist: that's an interesting AI trick, determining age based on popular age-specific pop culture references
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[22:56] NothingMan65: Nice segue
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[22:58] ste99162: hi
[22:58] NothingMan65: Hi
[22:58] ste99162: how are you?
[22:58] NothingMan65: Well, and you?
[22:58] ste99162: how i get the list ?
[22:58] ste99162: good
[22:58] NothingMan65: I usually get it carefully.
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[22:58] ste99162: i get?
[22:58] ste99162: !list
[22:58] ste99162: ??
[22:59] NothingMan65: I'm sorry ste99162, could you be a bit more specific?
[22:59] markq: lol is this written in node
[22:59] fantastikibne: http://pastebin.com/FGciB1r9 it just writes 10.txt
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[23:00] NothingMan65: Gotta start somewhere? fantastikibne
[23:00] ste99162: !movies
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[23:01] fantastikibne: nothingmang65 i couldnt understand :(
[23:01] NothingMan65: ste99162, which list are you looking for sir/madam?
[23:01] stride: fantastikibne: http://pastebin.com/0HghHPyg
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[23:03] fantastikibne: stride: yours worked but i couldnt understand what was wrong at mine
[23:03] lwille: fantastikibne, stride is right - you have to use the value of i before opening another closure. read more at http://www.javascriptkata.com/2007/04/11/a-common-problem-with-the-powerful-javascript-closures
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[23:05] lwille: anyone here interested in a libgphoto2 wrapper for node.js? Still far away from complete, full of memory leaks (this is my first v8 project), but you can capture photos and get previews ... just great for web-based controlling of a camera.   https://github.com/lwille/node-gphoto2
[23:06] NothingMan65: I would bind hack that :P
[23:07] fantastikibne: is there any way to write to existing end of file
[23:08] NothingMan65: Try this fantastikibne, http://pastebin.com/aAdZixXX
[23:08] NothingMan65: Might be ugly as heeellll but could do what you want
[23:08] NothingMan65: Forces the copy instead of using a ref
[23:08] tjfontaine: fantastikibne: you want to APPEND which means opening the file with the 'a' flag
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[23:09] fantastikibne: sorry i ask many questions this is my first script i know php & js just want to give a try to nodejs
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[23:09] NothingMan65: fantastikibne, this is what I meant http://pastebin.com/v9VpqzRd
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[23:11] lwille: what about using https://github.com/caolan/async ?
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[23:11] lwille: (async.forEach)
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[23:12] fantastikibne: NothingMan65: it works already but i want to write to end of existing file
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[23:12] lwille: fantastikibne, use fs.open with mode="a" http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/fs.html#fs.open
[23:13] lwille: sry, flags="a" :)
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[23:13] tjfontaine: sounds quite similar to what I just said
[23:13] qbit_: bnoordhuis: so.. I don't get the linking error on i386.. just amd64.. /me dies a little inside
[23:13] lwille: uh, sry tjfontaine
[23:14] tjfontaine: lwille: not a slight so much against you per se
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[23:18] fantastikibne: fs.writeFileSync('data.txt',d,{ flags: 'a' }); doesnt works
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[23:19] Vespakoen: Hey noders! I am playing with this thought in my head for quite a while now, and i think i know enough about this "idea" to check out what you guys think of it.
[23:19] Vespakoen: The best way i can describe it at the moment is: a single-page website, that loads "partials" via ajax (or a socket), when changing a page, i am going to "add", "move" or "remove" some "partials".
[23:19] Vespakoen: Now, when changing to another page, the "framework" should "know" what elements it's going to need, loads the ones it doesnt have and "moves" or "removes" others that it doesn't need anymore.
[23:19] Vespakoen: Another cool feature would be, since we can also "build" this page on the serversize (jsdom or domjs, not sure wich one it was) we can also render the page server-side for example for mobile & google (bot / SEO)
[23:20] Vespakoen: oh, changing pages would go this way, since i know whats being added, moved or removed, i can "rollback" to the "previous / initial" state, and then preform actions that make my "new" page
[23:21] Vespakoen: what do you guys think about it ?
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[23:26] bnoordhuis: qbit_: hrm. does the output of `nm /path/to/node | grep ev_default_loop_ptr` look very different for the i386 and the amd64 binaries?
[23:26] qbit_: bnoordhuis: nope - exactly the same 
[23:26] qbit_: ohwait
[23:26] qbit_: ha
[23:26] qbit_: yes - very different
[23:27] bnoordhuis: U for amd64, T for i386?
[23:27] lwille: fantastikibne, writeFileSync doesn't take any options. try this: http://pastie.org/3169248
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[23:27] fantastikibne: lwille ty
[23:27] Vespakoen: Oh, and does anybody know if something similar to what i describe already exists? i am still hoping for some feedback too =D
[23:28] qbit_: was U for amd64.. but now it's snowing B for ev_default_loop_ptr
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[23:28] qbit_: but i get the undefined symbol still
[23:28] bnoordhuis: qbit_: B as in bss?
[23:29] qbit_: correct
[23:29] qbit_: 00ca7b20 B ev_default_loop_ptr
[23:29] qbit_: was U ev_default_loop_pt
[23:29] qbit_: before
[23:29] fantastikibne: fs.writeSync(fd, "data", -1); lwille is -1 required?
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[23:30] lwille: fantastikibne: well, I just tried it that way - if you specify 0, the beginning of the file would be overwritten
[23:30] bnoordhuis: qbit_: what do you see when you grep for default_loop_struct?
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[23:30] qbit_: 0067ccc0 T ev_default_loop
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[23:31] qbit_: T on i386 as well
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[23:32] bnoordhuis: qbit_: i think you're building one binary with EV_MULTIPLICITY=0 and the other without
[23:33] bnoordhuis: is that possible / plausible?
[23:33] mightym: hey guys, I'm new to node.js and wonder what is a common way to deploy node.js. i just have experience with php or python applications where i just would create a virtual server on apache and root my domain xyz.com to my docs using mod_phpoder mod_wsgi
[23:33] qbit_: hm.. i will check .. there isnt' a place where i said "EV_MULTIPLICITY=0"
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[23:34] mightym: do i need some kind of proxy rooting to the ip of the node server?
[23:34] fantastikibne: lwille whats wrong at me http://pastebin.com/c2KMdaD1
[23:35] DTrejo: mightym: you could just run plain node bound to port 80
[23:35] DTrejo: or you can have it behind nginx
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[23:36] DTrejo: mightym: I recommend googling around, there's a bunch of different options, which if I can tell you more about if you have questions, I'm most familiar with only node, and no nginx
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[23:37] mightym: but using port 80 i still have to catch the domain and root it to that port right?
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[23:39] shinuza: mightym: unlike python, node doesn't have a gateway interface
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[23:40] Vespakoen: if you run it on port 80, all requests will go to your node process
[23:40] firebalrog: see this article mightym: http://www.freshblurbs.com/install-node-js-and-express-js-nginx-debian-lenny
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[23:40] Vespakoen: if i am correct
[23:40] Vespakoen: actually, i might not be, never tested it
[23:41] mightym: firebalrog: ill check, thx a lot
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[23:42] firebalrog: np ;)
[23:42] mightym: Vespakoen: yes, but i might collide with apache  it think
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[23:42] Vespakoen: thats true, so if your server is node-only it would be fine
[23:42] mightym: i have several projects hosted on my server
[23:42] Vespakoen: if you need more node apps or node & other apps on 1 server you need nginx
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[23:43] Vespakoen: or at least, i suggest using nginx =P
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[23:43] DTrejo: mightym: Vespakoen or you can use node-http-proxy, or something like that
[23:43] DTrejo: or bouncy
[23:43] DTrejo: npm docs http-proxy, npm docs bouncy
[23:43] Vespakoen: haproxy
[23:43] Vespakoen: have fun checking them out =P
[23:43] DTrejo: Vespakoen: does it handle websockets?
[23:43] DTrejo: something to keep in mind
[23:43] Vespakoen: i am not sure
[23:44] DTrejo: if using websockets, not all proxies work with them
[23:44] mightym: Vespakoen: k, thx for that info, but i was a little irrupted cause i read apache or nginx mighty produce overhead which collides with the origin sense of node.js
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[23:44] CoverSlide: bouncy uses raw sockets, http-proxy forwards a new http request
[23:44] Vespakoen: haproxy works with websockets
[23:44] mightym: irrupted … irritated
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[23:45] firebalrog: actually the nginx will server static files better than node
[23:45] Vespakoen: hmmz not sure about that, i know that nginx works very fast though, cant you dedicate another server to act as a proxyserver ?
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[23:46] Vespakoen: or a VM ? 
[23:46] mightym: Vespakoen: or maybe i use a small amazon was ec2 instance
[23:47] mightym: aws not was :)
[23:47] firebalrog: your node is single threaded and will have to open those files to serve them. nginx has cacheing and is multi threaded so it should in all likely hood handle the static files better.
[23:47] firebalrog: you can also use heroku
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[23:47] firebalrog: or azule
[23:47] Vespakoen: heroku is nice to have indeed!
[23:47] Vespakoen: azure
[23:48] firebalrog: I like azule better than azure
[23:48] Vespakoen: https://github.com/einaros/GitAzure
[23:48] firebalrog: MS naming mistake
[23:48] Vespakoen: ah ok didnt know that existed
[23:48] firebalrog: lol
[23:48] Vespakoen: =D
[23:49] firebalrog: I am using a small vps in cali that only costs 2.49 a month. 
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[23:49] firebalrog: 128mb ram debian with 250gb of storage
[23:49] firebalrog: runs node just fine.
[23:50] Vespakoen: it it speedy? i had a cheap vps once that sucked ballsack
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[23:50] jocafa: i love my linode instance
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[23:50] firebalrog: its fast enough. installed node, forever, ssh, npm, and mongodb.
[23:51] Vespakoen: okay
[23:51] firebalrog: only really hard part was setting the firewall up but there were plenty of articles on that
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[23:52] Vespakoen: So i am going to try once more =) : Hey noders! I am playing with this thought in my head for quite a while now, and i think i know enough about this "idea" to check out what you guys think of it.
[23:52] Vespakoen: The best way i can describe it at the moment is: a single-page website, that loads "partials" via ajax (or a socket), when changing a page, i am going to "add", "move" or "remove" some "partials".
[23:52] Vespakoen: Now, when changing to another page, the "framework" should "know" what elements it's going to need, loads the ones it doesnt have and "moves" or "removes" others that it doesn't need anymore.
[23:52] Vespakoen: Another cool feature would be, since we can also "build" this page on the serversize (jsdom or domjs, not sure wich one it was) we can also render the page server-side for example for mobile & google (bot / SEO)
[23:53] Vespakoen: the code should be similar to backbone.js, models, partials, collections etc
[23:53] firebalrog: csstricks.com has a podcast where he does exactly that and explains the downfall of that idea. he just uses jquery.load
[23:54] Vespakoen: really, ill go and find that now =D
[23:54] firebalrog: sorry wrong .com give me a sec
[23:54] remysharp: css-tricks.com
[23:54] firebalrog: thanks just found it
[23:55] insin: my quick hack while playing around with that idea was to use template inheritance - the client side code knows where it needs to insert the generated content and the server side changes the parent template to include the full content 
[23:55] fantastikibne: how can i include my settings.js?
[23:56] firebalrog: it was a podcast on why you want to start with html pages and  a menu then add fuctionality if jquery and javascript are available to just replace the content div with a $('#content').html( jquery.load("http://my.com/page.html#content"));
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[23:57] firebalrog: obviously if you are doing the replacement server side you could  just use express and templating.
[23:57] remysharp: Is there a way to test an npm install? I thought I imagined it ... ?
[23:57] isaacs: remysharp: npm install foo --dev; npm test foo
[23:57] isaacs: remysharp: is that what you mean?
[23:57] Vespakoen: firebalrog, so you support the "idea" ?
[23:57] isaacs: remysharp: or, npm install foo --npat
[23:57] remysharp: isaacs: perfect, cheers
[23:57] isaacs: to do it in one command
[23:57] Vespakoen: oh w8
[23:58] Vespakoen: what was the downfall =P ?
[23:58] insin: uh.. wow, the proof of concept page I was going to link to crashes firefox now O_o
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[23:58] firebalrog: Vespakoen: yes in concept
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