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[00:15] theycallmeswift: Anyone know a good way to test that a native function is being wrapped by my own function?
[00:15] theycallmeswift: I tried stubbing it out with sinon, but it looks like its calling by reference and completely bypasses the stub
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[00:17] wereHamster: is it safe to delete keys from an object while iterating through it?
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[00:17] theycallmeswift: wereHamster: how are you iterating?
[00:17] wereHamster: in coffee-script, something like delete object[k] for k,v of object
[00:18] isaacs: wereHamster: can you say that in javascript?
[00:18] isaacs: wereHamster: your example isn't parsing
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[00:18] wereHamster: for (k in object) { delete object[k] }
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[00:20] demonii: is there any quick way of sharing php sessions, with node.js and socket.io?
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[00:22] jamescarr: demonii, kind of
[00:22] Shaunzie: demonii: try npm search php session
[00:22] demonii: thanks, would it also work for socket sessions?
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[00:24] Shaunzie: demonii: that would be something for you to implement
[00:24] isaacs: wereHamster: why do you need to do this?
[00:24] isaacs: wereHamster: it'd be faster to do Object.keys(object).forEach(function (k) { delete object[k] })
[00:24] isaacs: wereHamster: or even better yet:  object = Object.create(Object.getPrototypeOf(object)) or even just object = {}
[00:25] wereHamster: isaacs: it's not actually just 'delete object[k]', but more code which does somtehing and then deletes the key
[00:25] isaacs: wereHamster: anyway, yes, you may delete a property while iterating
[00:26] demonii: Shaunzie, I serve my http data through apache, only my socket.io sessions are being handled by node.js
[00:26] isaacs: it's not like a dynamic array or something
[00:26] demonii: not sure if nodePhpSessions can handle only socket.io session data
[00:26] isaacs: wereHamster: this, for example, is highly unsafe:   x = getSomeArrayOfThings();  for (var i = 0, l = x.length; i < l; i ++) x.splice(i, 1)
[00:26] wereHamster: isaacs: why is Object.keys().forEach() faster than a for loop? Does v8 optimize the function calls out of the former?
[00:27] isaacs: wereHamster: function calls are cheaper than prototype lookups
[00:27] isaacs: wereHamster: the savings comes from Object.keys vs for/in
[00:27] wereHamster: isaacs: Object.keys() does not access the prototype?
[00:27] isaacs: (note: haven't benched in a while, ymmv, but this is the general rule of thumb that's served me well)
[00:27] isaacs: wereHamster: nope
[00:27] isaacs: it's only enumerable own properties
[00:27] wereHamster: isaacs: interesting. good to know
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[00:34] jerrysv: anyone going to nodepdx?
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[00:35] ryan_stevens: jerrysv: haven't heard of it
[00:35] ryan_stevens: link?
[00:35] theycallmeswift: oregon is a little far from jersey unfortunately
[00:36] mc: i should suggest that to my employers.. we're not terribly far
[00:36] theycallmeswift: I am flying out SF for Node Summit tho
[00:37] jerrysv: ryan_stevens: http://lanyrd.com/2012/nodepdx/
[00:37] jerrysv: it's free, and on a weekend
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[00:37] ryan_stevens: oh wow, that's nice
[00:37] theycallmeswift: So anyone have any ideas on my stubbing issue from before?
[00:37] ryan_stevens: the fact its on a weekend taht is
[00:38] drostie: I can't believe I'm reading through OpenSSL's source code just to figure out what the hell the Node.js crypto module is returning. ;_;
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[00:39] Shaunzie: drostie: O.O
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[00:39] demonii: i can't believe node.js has such poor documentation O_o
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[00:40] Shaunzie: demonii: at least it has some… source is on github feel free to help the community :P
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[00:40] demonii: so, the user should document the product
[00:40] pV: anyone know of a good everyauth tutorial?
[00:40] demonii: interesting
[00:41] Shaunzie: demonii: welcome to opensource project deal with it our gtfo :)
[00:41] superlou: :)
[00:41] Shaunzie: pv: the one on github is nice
[00:41] superlou: well, i'm sure we all write self-documenting code anyway ;)
[00:41] demonii: i'm pretty sure php, ruby, javascript, etc are well documented
[00:41] demonii: but if that's the approach on things with node.js, i'd be happy to gtfo
[00:41] drostie: demonii: well, usually the documentation is relatively good. The problem is that Node.js just says that it's a frontend to OpenSSL but doesn't say what part it's a frontend to. I did an encryption and got a 25-byte response from something which should be in 16-byte blocks, so the question is, "wtf are the other 9 bytes doing here?"
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[00:42] pV: Shaunzie: I've been looking at it, but I can't seem to grasp it. It's too broad.
[00:42] Shaunzie: demonii: I'm pretty sure that the php ruby community give back. not everyone looks for hand outs.
[00:42] Shaunzie: pV: where are you stuck?
[00:42] pV: I'm trying to setup openid authorization
[00:43] pV: I have: https://gist.github.com/1586020
[00:43] pV: but where do I setup the login page?
[00:43] Shaunzie: getLoginPath('/login')
[00:44] pV: TypeError: Object #<Object> has no method 'getLoginPath'
[00:44] Shaunzie: oops ya it's different for the openid module
[00:44] Shaunzie:   .entryPath('/auth/openid')
[00:44] Shaunzie:   .callbackPath('/auth/openid/callback')
[00:45] Shaunzie: https://github.com/bnoguchi/everyauth/blob/master/lib/modules/openid.js
[00:45] Shaunzie: you can find all the functions for the module htere
[00:45] Shaunzie: er there
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[00:46] pV: thanks Shaunzie
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[00:48] Shaunzie: pV: np :)
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[01:00] ep0x: Hey guys, I got a newbishy question, I used the installer for my Mac
[01:00] ep0x: cant get it to work
[01:00] ep0x: when I type NODE Test.JS it says I might not have setup the path
[01:00] ep0x: I cant seem to find instructions
[01:01] TooTallNate: open Terminal
[01:01] TooTallNate: type "node"
[01:01] ep0x: just node ?
[01:01] TooTallNate: that will bring you to the REPL
[01:01] TooTallNate: if you have a file, test.js, then "node test.js"
[01:01] ep0x: oh awesome! thanks!
[01:01] TooTallNate: np
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[01:16] CIA-101: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r97e4b3a 10/ (src/node_isolate.cc test/simple/test-isolates-ping-pong.js): isolates: drain message queue completely - http://git.io/kHus1w
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[01:20] lwille: bnoordhuis, thanks for the advice - but this is not exactly what I was looking for. The node-event-emitter example exports the Emitter prototype from a native extension and then lets it inherit the prototype methods of events.EventEmitter. That means, the resulting object can only be instantiated on the javascript side - I would like to create the instance on the C++ side, because until now my extension didn't need an extra javascript lay
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[01:22] bnoordhuis: lwille: you cannot really do that anymore, EventEmitter is a 100% JS object now (and not a global) so there is no good way to instantiate it / inherit from
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[01:23] lwille: okay, so I could I pass in the EventEmitter prototype and use that to create instances of EventEmitter?
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[01:24] bnoordhuis: lwille: yes
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[01:25] lwille: bnoordhuis, could you point me to an extension where someone is already doing that? Or is there a more elegant way
[01:27] bnoordhuis: lwille: i'm not aware of any
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[01:28] lwille: I'll give it a try then ... thanks, bnoordhuis :)
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[01:30] CIA-101: node: 03Fedor Indutny 07master * ra5f74b4 10/ (src/node_script.cc src/node_vars.h): added isolates support - http://git.io/GLGJbg
[01:30] CIA-101: node: 03Fedor Indutny 07master * r44e7033 10/ (src/node.cc src/node_vars.h): fixed debugger segfaults - http://git.io/11velw
[01:30] CIA-101: node: 03Fedor Indutny 07master * r99679c6 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): IsolateDebugger C++ - http://git.io/pFnUzw
[01:30] CIA-101: node: 03Fedor Indutny 07master * r6b2091b 10/ (lib/_debugger.js lib/child_process.js): debug threads - http://git.io/3W2b3Q
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[02:10] ryanrolds: I love reddit!
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[02:15] TooTallNate: tim_smart: you there?
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[02:16] tim_smart: TooTallNate: I think so...
[02:16] tim_smart: :)
[02:16] TooTallNate: haha
[02:16] TooTallNate: hey i wanted to ask you about node-gtk
[02:16] TooTallNate: specifcally, how does the double event loop thing work?
[02:16] tim_smart: TooTallNate: Sure. I think the direction node-gir is taking is probably better.
[02:16] TooTallNate: oh ok
[02:16] tim_smart: Oh right
[02:17] TooTallNate: I may need to do something similar for NodObjC
[02:17] TooTallNate: https://github.com/TooTallNate/NodObjC/issues/2
[02:17] tim_smart: Event loop stuff I asked the author of libev about
[02:17] tim_smart: If would have changed now that libev is now libuv
[02:18] TooTallNate: well probably doesn't really apply to NodObjC since it's only OS X which only uses libev
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[02:19] tim_smart: TooTallNate: Basically it ensures that the gtk event loop uses the libev event loop instead of its own
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[02:20] TooTallNate: tim_smart: how is that done? in obj-c there's just a NSRunLoop.run() method that blocks forever...
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[02:21] tjfontaine: there's not a loop_one or run_one?
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[02:22] TooTallNate: tjfontaine: closest would be runUntilDate() which I suppose could be some really short amount of time
[02:22] TooTallNate: but that doesn't seem like it would work very well :\
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[02:29] tim_smart: TooTallNate: Can you access the file descriptors etc. for the NSRunLoop?
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[02:31] TooTallNate: tim_smart: not quite sure
[02:31] TooTallNate: i don't really think so
[02:31] TooTallNate: fd of the event loop itself? or of its sources?
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[02:32] tim_smart: TooTallNate: Well usually the just poll on fd's
[02:32] tim_smart: *they
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[02:33] TooTallNate: they -> the event loop
[02:33] blueadept: anyone here ever use http://www.ericmmartin.com/projects/simplemodal ?
[02:33] drostie: Wow. so apparently when Node's crypto functions are used, all user input is fed into MD5 to generate the key. The stream MD5(key) + MD5(MD5(key) + key) + MD5(MD5(MD5(key) + key) + key) + ... is broken up into the actual bytes needed for the key and the actual bytes needed for the IV. 
[02:33] tim_smart: I'm probably not the best person to talk to about this sort of stuff, the glib -> ev integration was already done for me by schmorp
[02:34] TooTallNate: ok well thanks anyways, maybe I can talk to other tim
[02:35] TooTallNate: not online right now though
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[02:35] tjfontaine: TooTallNate: you might also want to look into how monotouch integrates it
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[02:36] tjfontaine: TooTallNate: but increasingly it seems like CFRunLoopRunInMode is the unfortunate way forward
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[02:38] TooTallNate: tjfontaine: i should have thought of this sooner!
[02:38] TooTallNate: http://www.71squared.com/2009/04/maingameloop-changes/
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[02:38] TooTallNate: like, all these games have their own game loops probably
[02:38] tjfontaine: more than likely
[02:38] TooTallNate: so how do they integrate touch events? etc.?
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[02:39] TooTallNate: well, probably >1 thread in a lot of cases
[02:39] Shaunzie: I'm really starting to like coffee script… 
[02:39] TooTallNate: but in any case, that blog article looks like it has a nice hack for running the cfrunloop
[02:40] tjfontaine: looks like it's using the timer interface
[02:40] TooTallNate: which could be done in a indefinite nextTick calls
[02:40] tjfontaine: indeed
[02:41] tjfontaine: you'll probably want the timeout to potentially be configurable, incase people start seeing dropped or stalled events
[02:41] TooTallNate: true
[02:42] TooTallNate: pretty hacky, but at least it may be possible to get the two loops working together like that
[02:42] TooTallNate: at least until a libuv backend written in ObjC is written :p
[02:42] TooTallNate: 
ACTION dreams...

[02:42] tjfontaine: hah
[02:43] tjfontaine: it's a shame that CF* doesn't have a poll/one_loop interface
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[02:43] tjfontaine: in that case it would have been trivial
[02:44] Aria: TooTallNate: It looks like it wouldn't be too hard to get something into libuv to add a "run_one" function.
[02:44] Aria: ub_run is so trivial, and I bet it's not too hard to do on the windows side (though I've not looked)
[02:45] TooTallNate: Aria: interesting thought
[02:45] tjfontaine: TooTallNate: unless you're license averse there are some excellent clues here http://opensource.apple.com/source/CF/CF-476.14/CFRunLoop.c
[02:45] tjfontaine: TooTallNate: search for zero-timeout 
[02:46] tjfontaine: TooTallNate: makes it feel like if you have a very low resolution you'll get an "extra" loop
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[02:46] bnoordhuis: uv_run_once() already exists
[02:46] bnoordhuis: in libuv's master that is
[02:46] TooTallNate: bnoordhuis: not in node 0.6.x?
[02:47] bnoordhuis: TooTallNate: no
[02:47] TooTallNate: ok so I could potentially use that and be > 0.6.x
[02:48] TooTallNate: but so how would that work? just continually call that in CFRunLoop's equivalent of a nextTick?
[02:48] tjfontaine: uv_run_once would be CFRunLoop driving node, right?
[02:48] tjfontaine: setup a loop on the cf side, and inside it each time it loops you call uv_run_once
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[02:49] TooTallNate: that would be nice, cause then you could use whatever ObjC API you want to start the event loop
[02:49] TooTallNate: and not some NodObjC-specific API
[02:50] tjfontaine: TooTallNate: but it means diverging node itself
[02:50] TooTallNate: how so?
[02:50] TooTallNate: as long as the original node API's and modules work, that's what I'm looking for
[02:51] TooTallNate: cause currently, when a CFRunLoop is running, it's blocking node, and JS, and no async node APIs work
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[02:52] tjfontaine: node starts its event loop, you start a cfrunloop, and then inside your cfrunloop you uv_run_once, is that your plan?
[02:52] TooTallNate: i think so
[02:52] TooTallNate: would that work?
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[02:53] tjfontaine: possibily, I think it would render interesting results, generally I would say you wouldn't want node to start its first event loop, and that it shoudl be your cfrunloop that is responsible for handling the uv_run_once
[02:54] TooTallNate: well actually, as long as your NodObjC script starts the cfrunloop in the first tick, the node's event loop is not yet running
[02:54] tjfontaine: TooTallNate: I'll be interested to hear the results in any event
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[02:54] tjfontaine: TooTallNate: I don't know the node event loop well enough, but I would guess that a require() sure as hell starts the loop since it requires io
[02:55] TooTallNate: also, it would be nice to be able to dynamically get at the ev_run function, maybe using libffi
[02:55] TooTallNate: tjfontaine: not so, it's sync io, so not event loop needed
[02:55] TooTallNate: not til after the first tick doest the event loop begin
[02:55] tjfontaine: TooTallNate: like I said, I'll be interested to hear the results :)
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[02:55] tjfontaine: I hope I was of some service
[02:56] TooTallNate: definitely, thank tjfontaine
[02:56] TooTallNate: *thanks
[02:56] tjfontaine: no problem
[02:57] TooTallNate: omg! i can access the ev_run pointer through node-ffi!
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[02:57] TooTallNate: this might fucking happen!
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[03:43] context:  I'm looking at the JVC KW-AVX840 and the Pioneer AVH-P4300DVD head units. recommendations?
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[03:53] musiclover_: hi everyone,  i have a node app i'm working on that uses express, knox, mongoose, etc. what are some tools or libraries that people use for testing their node applications?
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[03:53] Shaunzie: musiclover_: mocha, should, express
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[03:54] Shaunzie: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/modules#wiki-testing
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[03:57] musiclover_: Shaunzie: wow, that's quite extensive. any popular players? any tutorials out there?
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[03:57] Shaunzie: musiclover_: the ones I listed previously are pretty popular. then again there's also just the built in assert module: assert = require('assert')
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[03:58] Shaunzie: musiclover_: I personally like mocha, but only cause I'm a whore for colors and it has pretty check marks and x's
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[03:58] musiclover_: Shaunzie: i like colors too!
[03:59] Shaunzie: nothing more rewarding that seeing ✔ # tests complete
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[03:59] Shaunzie: http://visionmedia.github.com/mocha/
[03:59] musiclover_: Shaunzie: so is it like unit testing, or testing my express  routes?
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[04:03] Shaunzie: musiclover_: It's just a unit testing framework.
[04:04] Shaunzie: musiclover_: routes are a little difficult to test for express
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[04:04] musiclover_: how about something like nock?
[04:04] Shaunzie: musiclover_: You can use support/http.js included with express test routes.
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[04:05] Shaunzie: musiclover_: never used nock but it looks cool
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[04:21] tuhoojabotti: How to check if arrays are equal
[04:21] tuhoojabotti: like assert.deepEqual
[04:21] tuhoojabotti: but it just throws, I want it to return true/false
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[04:24] Shaunzie: tuhoojabotti: you would need to write a function to compare the two arrays manually. 
[04:24] tuhoojabotti: I did, but it's not working. :D
[04:24] tuhoojabotti: I guess, I'll try again.
[04:24] Shaunzie: tuhoojabotti: or you can use one of the array helper functions in underscorejs
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[04:24] Shaunzie: http://documentcloud.github.com/underscore/#difference
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[04:29] tuhoojabotti: Shaunzie: this.buf.details[0].msg === this.last.details[0].msg && this.buf.details[1].msg === this.last.details[1].msg) { // problems?
[04:29] clarkfischer: Hrm….for a test suite, any way to spin up an express server, then shut it down afterwards? Something along the lines of `node app.js & make test && kill %1`?
[04:30] tuhoojabotti: :D
[04:31] Shaunzie: tuhoojabotti: mm kinda missing some stuff there. might want to gist it. what's the error that you're getting?
[04:31] tuhoojabotti: Shaunzie: It works fine :D
[04:31] Shaunzie: tuhoojabotti: oh. confuzzled ._.
[04:31] tuhoojabotti: Shaunzie: that's way better than some helper functions!
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[04:39] Shaunzie: tuhoojabotti: you might be able to do array1.toString() === array2.toString()
[04:39] tuhoojabotti: Shaunzie: Doesn't it convert objects to [Object object]?
[04:40] Shaunzie: tuhoojabotti: yah
[04:40] tuhoojabotti: That would be bad
[04:40] tuhoojabotti: Shaunzie: util.inspect perhaps
[04:40] tuhoojabotti: But that works too. :P
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[04:41] Hotroot: Anyone on who's interested in browser based MTG?
[04:41] Shaunzie: Hotroot: was a MTG? O.o
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[04:42] Hotroot: Magic the Gathering
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[04:42] Hotroot: Going to start work on it soon. No rule enforcement, it would be just like playing it in person
[04:43] chrisdickinson: .. Array.prototype.equal = function(rhs) { var lhs = this; return lhs.map(function(x, idx) { return x === rhs[idx] }).reduce(function(lhs, rhs) { return lhs && rhs }, true) }; [1,2,3].equal([2,3,4])
[04:43] catb0t:  false
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[04:56] tuhoojabotti: .. [1,2,3].equal([1,2,3])
[04:56] catb0t:  true
[04:57] tuhoojabotti: .. [1,{lol:true},3].equal([1,{lol:true},3])
[04:57] catb0t:  false
[04:57] tuhoojabotti: chrisdickinson: Yeah, it doesn't work with objects either
[04:57] tuhoojabotti: obviously
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[04:59] chrisdickinson: tuhoojabotti: true. are you just comparing keys?
[04:59] tuhoojabotti: atm yes. :P
[04:59] tuhoojabotti: It's a special case anyways.
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[04:59] Shaunzie: tuhoojabotti: probably a good idea not to have a function to deep nested array comparisons 
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[05:02] tuhoojabotti: details: [{name: 'Request', msg: JSON.stringify(req, null, ' ')},{name: 'Parameters', msg: JSON.stringify(params, null, ' ')}]
[05:02] tuhoojabotti: That's what I'm comparing :P
[05:02] chrisdickinson: .. Array.prototype.keyEqual = function(rhs, k, lol) { return this.map(lol = function(x) { return x[k] }).equal(rhs.map(lol)) }; [{lol:"asdf"}, {lol:"asdf"}].keyEqual([{lol:"asdf", lol:"asdf"}], 'lol')
[05:02] catb0t:  false
[05:02] chrisdickinson: aw.
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[05:05] tuhoojabotti: Time for school :/
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[06:01] drostie: Okay, after digging through the OpenSSL code and understanding the Node.js crypto implementation I figured out that my problems had very little to do with either. :x
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[06:04] drostie: It was entirely because new Buffer(x).toString('binary') !== x in general, because crypto uses 'binary' encoding but Buffers by default use 'utf8' encoding. Or summat.
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[06:14] cdownard_: I thought buffers were binary data. The TLS streams have to either have the encoding flag set or invoke .toString() to decode from binary.
[06:14] tuhoojabotti: Can I add .toString to object's prototype and then ''+obj?
[06:15] Lingerance: Buffers are binary data, a string isn't.
[06:15] cdownard_: oh, my mistake. i see what's being said now. was reading that wrong.
[06:17] tuhoojabotti: works
[06:18] Lingerance: 
ACTION fails to see how that'd be useful

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[06:42] secoif: Anyone having issues with npm + github tarballs?
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[06:42] secoif: npm ERR! couldn't unpack /var/folders…
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[06:45] tuhoojabotti: secoif: Yesterday someone had problems with Heroku and tars
[06:45] secoif: hm
[06:45] markq: ghost town in here
[06:46] mjr_: I know.
[06:46] mjr_: Actual ghosts inhabit this town.
[06:47] secoif: if someone could do me a favour and add "Faker": "https://github.com/secoif/Faker.js/zipball/master", to their package.json, then try an npm install?
[06:47] secoif: I want to know if it's just me
[06:47] markq: or just npm install faker right
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[06:47] markq: ?
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[06:48] tbranyen: its u works mine for me
[06:48] markq: works
[06:48] yawNO: hi world
[06:48] tbranyen: hello baby
[06:48] yawNO: :O
[06:48] yawNO: sup?
[06:48] markq: where's my precious
[06:49] secoif: markq not just npm install faker, that will install the normal npm version, I want to install my fork. 
[06:49] markq: ah ok
[06:49] markq: let me try then
[06:49] secoif: installing via zipball seems to be the actual issue
[06:49] secoif: sweet, thanks
[06:49] markq: i wasn't aware that it installed differently
[06:49] markq: interesting
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[06:51] markq: works
[06:51] markq: npm http GET https://registry.npmjs.org/Faker
[06:51] markq: npm http 200 https://registry.npmjs.org/Faker
[06:51] markq: npm http GET https://registry.npmjs.org/Faker/-/Faker-0.1.3.tgz
[06:51] markq: npm http 200 https://registry.npmjs.org/Faker/-/Faker-0.1.3.tgz
[06:51] markq: Faker@0.1.3 ./node_modules/Faker
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[06:52] secoif: markq that's not my fork
[06:53] secoif: markq try npm install https://github.com/secoif/Faker.js/zipball/master
[06:53] markq: npm http GET https://github.com/secoif/Faker.js/zipball/master
[06:53] markq: npm http 200 https://github.com/secoif/Faker.js/zipball/master
[06:53] markq: npm ERR! couldn't unpack /tmp/npm-1326178426945/1326178426945-0.836156997596845/tmp.tgz to /tmp/npm-1326178426945/1326178426945-0.836156997596845
[06:53] markq: npm ERR! Error: ENOENT, no such file or directory '/tmp/npm-1326178426945/1326178426945-0.836156997596845/package/package.json'
[06:53] markq: npm ERR! Report this *entire* log at:
[06:53] markq: npm ERR!     <http://github.com/isaacs/npm/issues>
[06:53] markq: npm ERR! or email it to:
[06:53] markq: npm ERR!     <npm-@googlegroups.com>
[06:53] markq: npm ERR!
[06:53] markq: npm ERR! System Linux 2.6.38-8-virtual
[06:53] markq: npm ERR! command "node" "/usr/local/bin/npm" "install" "https://github.com/secoif/Faker.js/zipball/master"
[06:53] markq: npm ERR! cwd /faker
[06:53] markq: npm ERR! node -v v0.6.7
[06:53] markq: npm ERR! npm -v 1.1.0-beta-10
[06:53] tuhoojabotti: asd
[06:53] secoif: that's the one
[06:54] secoif: awesome
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[06:54] secoif: markq thanks
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[06:54] markq: sorry for the spam  @all
[06:54] markq: np
[06:54] pV: eugh, please don't spam the chat
[06:54] pV: np
[06:54] tuhoojabotti: :D
[06:54] markq: wait so what's the problem with your package
[06:54] markq: secoif ^
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[06:55] niloy: how long does nodejs take to build on a decent home computer?
[06:55] markq: max of 1-2 mins
[06:55] niloy: how long will it take on arm 600Mhz ? any estimate?
[06:55] secoif: markq apparently it's any zipball url, I just tried npm install https://github.com/Marak/Faker.js/zipball/master, same issue
[06:56] tuhoojabotti: niloy: Long enough.
[06:56] secoif: I have a feeling it's something github changed regarding their archiving format, or something
[06:56] markq: niloy: it'll take a while
[06:56] Dmitrijus: niloy: just run it :)
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[06:57] niloy: okay ^_^
[06:57] markq: secoif: just curious but how would i npm install a fork of a package without adding the entire url
[06:57] markq: is there a shorter way?
[06:57] markq: like for Faker for example
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[06:57] secoif: I don't believe so, you either use the npm repo or a url to an archive
[06:58] markq: oh
[06:58] markq: i see
[06:58] secoif: markq you used to be able to do it with `npm install https://github.com/*/*/zipball/master`
[06:58] secoif: markq but it has gotten borked sometime recently
[06:59] markq: sucks :(
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[08:24] markq: someone speak! it's a ghost town :/
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[08:27] msch: hi, how do I turn a SlowBuffer in a Buffer in node's C++ API?
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[08:39] tim_smart: msch: Why would you want to convert it? Once it is created, conversion would just add overhead.
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[08:39] msch: tim_smart: ah, so the end user API is exactly the same?
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[08:40] martin_sunset: Has anyone written excel parser in node yet?
[08:40] tim_smart: msch: I'm pretty sure it is. You will have to double check on that however.
[08:40] msch: tim_smart: ok, thanks!
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[08:43] tim_smart: martin_sunset: Checked http://search.npmjs.org/ ?
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[08:44] martin_sunset: tim_smart: Yeah, empty...
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[08:47] astropirate: martin_sunset, excell as in MS Excell?
[08:47] astropirate: you can export as CSV from excell i believe which makes it so much easier to parse
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[08:48] martin_sunset: astropirate: Yes. But I am not interested in exporting but having a calculation engine. E.g, something that knows how to parse excel formulas
[08:48] astropirate: ahh
[08:48] astropirate: nvm then
[08:49] [AD]Turbo: hi there
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[08:49] astropirate: Greetings
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[08:55] booyaa: halo
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[08:55] booyaa: martin_sunset: oh dear we having to write more software? :)
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[08:56] booyaa: martin_sunset: last week it was json web service discovery
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[08:56] martin_sunset: booyaa: hello there. No, here I was just curious
[08:56] booyaa: martin_sunset: does google docs have an api?
[08:57] booyaa: it's been a while since i tried using excel in docs so formulas might not work anyways
[08:57] booyaa: least you didn't say vba :)
[08:57] martin_sunset: booyaa: Probably. Anyways, I was just wondering. Argh, vba, now that was a pita
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[08:58] booyaa: trudate, i understand why people used it. but in this day and age when we have wolfram and r. kinda seems too much effort
[08:58] booyaa: lots of s/w companies still write excel add-ins for the financial sect
[08:59] martin_sunset: booyaa: Yeah, excel is not going away... And people understand the syntax
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[08:59] booyaa: some of us know the formula from lotus daze :D
[09:00] voidvector: it's a lot cheaper to teach non-technical people excel, than to hire technical people. and its near impossible to train non-tech to be technical
[09:00] martin_sunset: booyaa: Some kids here were not born when lotus came up. And yeah, even my mom is good at excel
[09:00] booyaa: heh
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[09:02] martin_sunset: booyaa: What I am looking for though is a mongodb analytics storage engine, just the backend. Someone on this list was working on one, but I forgot the name
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[09:03] booyaa: yeah i remember you asking for this  a while back
[09:03] booyaa: still no joy then? :(
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[09:04] martin_sunset: Na, did not even think about it. My strategy with this stuff is to wait it out till someone comes up with it
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[09:05] booyaa: you'd have thought the mongodb providers would have written software to do this. i mean how else acn you charge for usage?
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[09:06] martin_sunset: Yeah, but no one is open sourcing this for obvious reasons.
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[09:06] booyaa: that's a bit more
[09:06] booyaa: poor
[09:06] martin_sunset: It's not hard, but it takes time
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[09:06] booyaa: oh martin_sunset you london based? seem to think you were in the uk
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[09:06] erichocean: Hi. I'm having trouble using require() with a path, e.g. require('npm_module/directory_with_package_json')
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[09:07] martin_sunset: No, I am in Austria, just switched visa, heading back stateside in a couple of weeks
[09:07] booyaa: have you tried require('./npm_module/directory_with_package_json')
[09:07] booyaa: martin_sunset: ah off to do some pitching? ;)
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[09:07] booyaa: erichocean: ^^
[09:07] erichocean: boyes
[09:08] erichocean: oops, booyaa yes, I have
[09:08] erichocean: it can't find the module then (it's linked with npm link)
[09:08] booyaa: no joy... mmmm
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[09:08] booyaa: which module?
[09:08] erichocean: my own
[09:08] martin_sunset: Pitching, living,... Changed from investor visa to immigration visa. 
[09:08] erichocean: is "foo/bar" a valid module name?
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[09:09] erichocean: I  guess I'm assuming that npm will find the 'foo' module, then load the 'bar/package.json' and require the main: file
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[09:09] erichocean: but obviously that's not happenning
[09:09] booyaa: martin_sunset: oh cool!
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[09:10] erichocean: I've tried placing 'bar' in both the node_modules within foo, and in foo's top level directory
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[09:14] booyaa: erichocean: it's times like this where having an equivalent of "which" for node would be helpful. i suspect link has failed to install it in one of the dirs where node is going to look
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[09:14] booyaa: i think one of them is $NODE_PATH
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[09:18] Lingerance: booyaa: You mean like require.resolve()?
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[09:18] booyaa: prolly
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[09:18] Lingerance: > require.resolve('Ext')
[09:18] Lingerance: '/home/robin/node_modules/Ext/index.js'
[09:18] booyaa: nice!
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[09:19] booyaa: erichocean: ^^^ use resolve against a module you know works (that isn't core or installed globally)
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[09:19] Lingerance: It should work with global stuff too
[09:19] erichocean: booyaa: resolve works fine with other modules
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[09:20] booyaa: yeah what i'm saying is that npm link has installed it somewhere, but not in the same path any non-core stuff is installed in
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[09:20] booyaa: Lingerance: nice find the resolve stuff :)
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[09:21] Iszak: isnodejsstableyet?
[09:21] Iszak: or rather isnodejsapistableyet/
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[09:22] booyaa: no come back a in few years time once we've all got gold plated suits
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[09:22] Iszak: doubt that'll happen at the current price of gold.
[09:22] Lingerance: It'll most likely be stable when they get to 1.x, however the differences between 0.4 and 0.6 weren't that much API-wise.
[09:23] booyaa: Lingerance: was listening to nodeup 
[09:23] booyaa: #1 what's the libuv stuff? i know they had to do that to make the win port happen
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[09:24] Iszak: So in reality, we shouldn't be using node.js because in the case a security vulnerability comes out on 0.4 which is no longer supported, we're screwed?
[09:24] abraxas: libuv is the library they made that deals with the I/O APIs for different operating systems (windows, posix)
[09:24] Iszak: I'm assuming 0.4 is no longer supported?
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[09:24] booyaa: Iszak: the hash collision stuff?
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[09:25] Iszak: sure, yeah that.
[09:25] booyaa: aren't they backporting the fix to older version of v8?
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[09:26] Iszak: don't know, who's they?
[09:26] erichocean: booyaa: turned out it was that NPM_PATH needed to be set; thanks!
[09:26] booyaa: erichocean: WIN!
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[09:26] booyaa: erichocean: let us know when you've published your module on npmjs.org
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[09:27] erichocean: will do, it's sproutcore's npm module
[09:27] erichocean: we have a new build system that allows sharing sproutcore frameworks/apps/plugins etc. as npm modules
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[09:28] booyaa: sproutcore didn't one of your modules get a rename recently? i think it might have been the js side (excuse my ignorance)
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[09:28] erichocean: the project forked, a mini-SproutCore focused on HTML templating got renamed to Ember.js
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[09:30] booyaa: right that's it...
[09:31] booyaa: excuse me while i poke sql server with a big pointy stick
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[09:52] prssn: In my application I'm using connect to serve static files, and I'm counting all the requests i.e. how many times /index.html has been loaded. It works perfectly when I'm visiting /index.html directly but if I'm loading it in an iframe I can't count the request, even if index.html is served. Why can't I see this request? 
[09:53] prssn: Sotty for my english 
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[10:14] chot: caching the result perhaps?
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[10:15] chot: just an idea
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[10:15] martin_sunset: Chot++
[10:15] catb0t: chot now has 1 beer
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[10:16] booyaa: .. process.version
[10:16] catb0t:  Exception: ReferenceError: process is not defined
[10:16] booyaa: :)
[10:17] booyaa: .. typeof chot
[10:17] catb0t:  "undefined"
[10:17] booyaa: :~(
[10:18] booyaa: i weep for you chot
[10:18] chot: hehe
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[10:20] chot: .. catb0t, I command you to spread love and happiness among all of mankind
[10:20] catb0t:  Exception: SyntaxError: Unexpected identifier
[10:21] chot: bah
[10:21] booyaa: heh
[10:21] chot: the day computers can pick up on that, we've gotten somewhere
[10:22] prssn: chot: Any idea how I can do that? Is it something buildt-in in Connect?
[10:22] chot: prssn: sorry, I've never used Connect (and barrely node.js for that matter)
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[10:26] astropirate: prssn, it doesn't matter if its an iframe or ajax or w/e  an http request is an http request
[10:26] astropirate: are you sure its not counting?
[10:26] astropirate: maybe the browser cache's it
[10:26] astropirate: so it doesn't make another request
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[10:28] jm_: hi do i need microsoft visul studio upon installing nodejs?
[10:29] RLa: for compiling extensions?
[10:29] prssn: <astropirate>: Yes it's not counting. But yeah maybe it's in the broswer. Is there any way i can force the iframe to always reload the frame from source and not cache? (if any)
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[10:29] astropirate: prssn, yes, you can set the Expires headers to a time in the past, then the browser will never cache it
[10:30] RLa: astropirate, what if it's already cached
[10:30] astropirate: press Ctr+F5
[10:30] RLa: you need to invalidate that somehow
[10:30] astropirate: :D
[10:30] RLa: tell that to every user? :)
[10:30] astropirate: its till in developement 
[10:30] astropirate: i assume.
[10:30] RLa: oh, lucky then
[10:31] astropirate: webgl why you soo hard?!??
[10:32] martin_sunset: Rla add a cache buster value, that's how it is normally done
[10:33] RLa: yes, that's good way
[10:33] martin_sunset: Your link?cb=currentdateinmssince1970
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[10:37] booyaa: astropirate: have you tried three.js?
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[10:41] astropirate: booyaa, yah i'm using it but i'm a total newbie.. not sure how to give a glow effect to my particles
[10:41] astropirate: stupid shaders
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[10:43] booyaa: astropirate: wondering if you might find some sample code here? http://glsl.heroku.com/
[10:43] booyaa: i think this is also powered by three.js, meant to be jsfiddle for all things webgl
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[10:43] booyaa: sadly i don't think you can sort my fx
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[10:44] astropirate: what you mean
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[10:45] jm: guys do in need visul studio for installing node js?
[10:46] augustl: jm: no
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[10:47] jm: how will i be able to install node js?
[10:49] jm: it is said in the intallation guide that node js needs python and microsft visual studio
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[10:50] prssn: No it doesn't?
[10:50] prssn: which guide?
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[10:51] booyaa: jm: just use the msi on the website
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[10:51] booyaa: you get npm as part of the install
[10:52] jm: this guide https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Installation
[10:53] jm: @booya then how will i be able to run it
[10:53] jm: ?
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[10:53] booyaa: http://nodejs.org/#download
[10:54] jm: i have now successfully installed node js
[10:54] booyaa: WIN!
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[10:55] tuhoojabotti: :D
[10:55] jm: @booya : what will i do next? how will i run it?
[10:55] booyaa: http://www.nodebeginner.org/
[10:55] tuhoojabotti: :D
[10:55] booyaa: http://howtonode.org/
[10:55] tuhoojabotti: jm: You add the node.exe to your PATH
[10:55] booyaa: http://nodeguide.com/
[10:55] tuhoojabotti: then open cmd and run node script.js
[10:56] booyaa: tuhoojabotti: provided jm opens a new cmd prompt should be in his path
[10:56] booyaa: the installer takes care of that stuff (well it did in earlier realises of v0.6
[10:56] tuhoojabotti: Ok
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[10:57] booyaa: sadly we've got stupid iis proxies so my npm is sad
[10:57] booyaa: at work i should point out
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[11:05] jm: @booya thanks
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[11:09] booyaa: jm take no prisoners! js or die! yada yada
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[11:24] booyaa: .. var halp = 'http://howtonode.org?'
[11:25] catb0t:  
[11:25] booyaa: .. halp
[11:25] catb0t:  "http://howtonode.org?"
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[11:25] booyaa: who owns catbot? got an idea...
[11:25] booyaa: catb0t: owner?
[11:25] catb0t: owner hasn't pulled any patches for a 
[11:25] tuhoojabotti: :P
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[11:26] booyaa: catb0t: ryah nodejs
[11:26] catb0t: nodejs on bluehost or ryah
[11:26] booyaa: 
ACTION blinks wtf

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[11:26] tuhoojabotti: catb0t: booyaa lol
[11:27] catb0t: booyaa , I finally and then verify it , don't t have worked properly with strings and buffers and spits out the current master, e current lol
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[11:27] tuhoojabotti: booyaa: roplems?
[11:28] booyaa: tuhoojabotti: i take it, loses variable/state when it restarts?
[11:28] booyaa: catb0t: booyaa karma
[11:28] catb0t: booyaa , thanks dude you rock
[11:28] tuhoojabotti: I guess.
[11:29] tuhoojabotti: catb0t: reddit tuhoojabotti
[11:29] catb0t: tuhoojabotti , hm, I just wonder if i didnt hate textmate syntaxes so much fun
[11:29] tuhoojabotti: :u
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[11:34] lesoosh: hey, is there a way to tell jade not to "html encode" a string? like not replacing "&" with "&amp;" in a url?
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[11:35] lesoosh: oh... !{var} does that
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[11:41] deoxxa: https://gist.github.com/1588589
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[11:41] deoxxa: do all the decent javascript vms optimise that code ok?
[11:41] deoxxa: talking about recent spidermonkey, v8, whatever IE uses
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[11:41] case_: my eyes bleed :)
[11:42] deoxxa: it's auto-generated code :P
[11:42] deoxxa: i'm specifically talking about the anonymous function
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[11:43] deoxxa: would it speed things up significantly to put the function defined on line 6 somewhere else, then refer to it by name?
[11:43] TheNumb: deoxxa: yay for spaghetti code!
[11:43] case_: deoxxa, i'll be extremly suprised if that changed anything
[11:44] deoxxa: it's not hand-written! it's compiled from a template
[11:44] case_: but i'm not a js expert
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[11:44] deoxxa: case_: that's what i was thinking - i might just manually modify the compiled files and benchmark them
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[11:57] booyaa: what replaced process.compile after v0.3.2?
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[11:58] Hinton: Hey, anyone know if there is a rss subscribe module, that gives me the new items
[11:59] RLa: "new items"?
[11:59] RLa: i guess you need to manually keep track which are new and which are not
[12:00] Hinton: Well grab the feed once on initialization, and regrab it after 10min or so to check if there are new items
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[12:00] RLa: i did that by storing titles of already fetched items
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[12:00] RLa: tho there might be some better way
[12:01] Hinton: pubdate of the last items and compare it to the new last item?
[12:01] RLa: anyway, you would need to store some data about items already seen
[12:01] RLa: yeah
[12:01] Hinton: I don't presume anyone has made it already?
[12:01] Hinton: I hate reinventing the wheel
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[12:02] booyaa: you checked search.npmjs.org and http://eirikb.github.com/nipster/# ?
[12:02] Hinton: https://github.com/jheusala/node-rssee
[12:02] Hinton: now that seems intresting
[12:03] Hinton: i checked npmjs, but nipster seems much easier to read
[12:03] booyaa: i like nipster because it includes watchers
[12:03] booyaa: you can see what people might be using more
[12:03] Hinton: yea, exactly :)
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[12:04] Hinton: going to give node-rssee a try
[12:04] Hinton: thanks, RLa, booyaa
[12:04] booyaa: np
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[12:20] ff_: how do i run node js?
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[12:21] ff_: hi
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[12:22] ff_: where do i need to store my files in order for it to run?
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[12:26] martin_sunset: Ff_ any folder will do. Read up on package.json at docs.nodejitsu.com. 
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[12:28] martin_sunset: Toolbox.no.de is also a good read, affair
[12:28] shellox_: hi
[12:28] shellox_: anyone use Hubot?
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[12:29] booyaa: shellox_: might be worth trying on #github
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[12:33] shellox_: booyaa: im not sure
[12:33] johnhamelink: shellox_ we do
[12:33] shellox_: http://dpaste.com/685260/
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[12:33] shellox_: it looks like a node problem, no?
[12:34] johnhamelink: shellox_ Is Redis up/working?
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[12:36] shellox_: johnhamelink: yes, it is
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[12:36] airandfingers: hello hello
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[12:38] shinuza: shellox_: you should try to connect manually
[12:39] shinuza: from the machine, using the same settings as hubot
[12:39] shellox_: shinuza: i did
[12:39] booyaa: hee getting excited about this month's lnug :)
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[12:40] johnhamelink: shellox_ try running as root - mightbe a permissions problem
[12:40] shellox_: redis 127.0.0.1:6379> set test blah
[12:40] shellox_: OK
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[12:42] booyaa: anyone else going to this month's lnug (hosted by forward tech)?
[12:42] shellox_: HardPhuck: i got the same error as root
[12:44] shellox_: eh, i mean johnhamelink 
[12:44] johnhamelink: booyaa I am :)
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[12:45] johnhamelink: shellox_ check npm's installed all the modules
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[12:49] booyaa: johnhamelink: hopefully i'll actually get some pizza this time
[12:49] booyaa: misjudged the journey from work to fwd
[12:49] airandfingers: anyone here use request?
[12:50] deoxxa: i wanted to, but it doesn't support binary responses
[12:51] deoxxa: :/
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[12:54] johnhamelink: booyaa that pizza went _fast_ last time
[12:55] deoxxa: i could totally eat pizza
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[12:55] shellox_: ok thanks it worked
[12:55] airandfingers: hm that sucks
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[12:57] johnhamelink: shellox_ what fixed it? :)
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[13:19] jondot_: hi all. any fast uuid version 1 generation library for nodejs ?
[13:19] jondot_: (aka timeuuid)
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[13:25] lwille: jondot, I always use crypto.md5: http://pastie.org/3160158 - works well for me, but you should check the uniqueness of the generated hash.
[13:25] lwille: You can also try https://github.com/akdubya/rbytes which uses openssl
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[13:34] airandfingers: question: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8804085/jsdom-form-submisison
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[13:50] airandfingers: updated: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8804085/jsdom-form-submisison
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[13:53] airandfingers: fixed url spelling ;) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8804085/jsdom-form-submission
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[14:00] maritz: airandfingers: you can't "submit" the form like you would in the browser because jsdom only emulates the dom tree. (afaik)
[14:00] maritz: airandfingers: you'll have to use request.post() to do the post manually.
[14:01] maritz: please type myname++ if this helps you :D
[14:01] airandfingers: maritz++
[14:01] maritz: thanks
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[14:02] airandfingers: okay, but is there some way i can do something similar, with jsdom or another module?
[14:02] airandfingers: i'd rather not hardcode the post requests; that could get tricky depending on the site
[14:02] airandfingers: and i've got lots of experience triggering DOM events client-side with jQuery
[14:03] deoxxa: please type myname++ if you want to anger maritz
[14:03] airandfingers: seems like i'd basically need a browser to make this work
[14:03] airandfingers: @deoxxa we'll see ;)
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[14:07] easternbloc: Hi all, does anyone know how to publish to NPM using a post-hook on a CI instance. I'm guessing I need to authenticate with NPM first?
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[14:15] Lingerance: airandfingers: You might want zombie then.
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[14:18] maritz: airandfingers: no, why? you can just do the manual post?!
[14:18] maritz: it's not much mor complicated
[14:18] maritz: +e
[14:18] maritz: if at all
[14:18] maritz: deoxxa--
[14:18] catb0t: deoxxa now has -1 beer
[14:18] maritz: :D
[14:19] deoxxa: oh burn
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[14:21] Industrial: DELETE and UPDATE requests should return with 204 when sucessful right?
[14:21] tuhoojabotti: Refer to spec
[14:21] tuhoojabotti: I think it should be 418
[14:22] maritz: airandfingers: instead of individually setting the values in the fields and then triggering the submit, you just have to do one simple request.post({url: 'posturl', params: {someparam: 'blub'}}, function () { console.log(arguments);}); and be done with it. (or similar)
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[14:22] maritz: tuhoojabotti: are you sure? i think it's 1337.
[14:23] Industrial: tuhoojabotti: there is only 417
[14:23] maritz: teapot is for COFFEEscript requests
[14:23] tuhoojabotti: Industrial: ;O
[14:23] Industrial: tuhoojabotti: no trolling in help IRC channels
[14:23] Industrial: I'm SNERIOUS
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[14:23] tuhoojabotti: I thought this was community channel. :/
[14:23] maritz: oh shit
[14:23] martin_sunset: Industrial: Depends, some people return the full object on put and delete, then it can't be 204
[14:24] Industrial: right, I'm, not returning anything though
[14:24] martin_sunset: Then 204 
[14:24] Industrial: oki
[14:24] maritz: that is if it was successful
[14:24] maritz: (meaning you are finished processing the request completely and did not encounter errors)
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[14:25] Industrial: tuhoojabotti: snerious reference; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZQw6KuNKqs
[14:25] maritz: NEVER GONNA GIVE YOU UP
[14:25] maritz: (guess)
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[14:26] Industrial: na
[14:26] maritz: oh :(
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[14:26] tuhoojabotti: Industrial: I didn't even.
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[14:27] tuhoojabotti: But I gotta say, Trine OST rulz
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[14:38] lwille: how do I get node::Buffer::New(char *data, size_t len) to work? when I pass in a char* and a size_t, I get  an error: no matching function for call to ‘node::Buffer::Buffer(char*&, size_t&)’
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[14:39] Lingerance: Because you're sending it a pointer to a pointer and a pointer, when it just wants a pointer and a size_t
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[14:42] lwille: *& = pointer passed as reference
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[14:43] lwille: here's a snippet: http://pastie.org/3160537
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[14:44] maritz: lwille++ :)
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[14:44] lwille: maritz?
[14:44] maritz: http://carmivore.com/ xD
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[14:44] lwille: haha, thanks maritz++
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[14:44] maritz: some dude in here yesterday asked for beta testers in 10 days on that page.
[14:45] maritz: arg, no. i didn't help you :D
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[14:45] lwille: okay maritz-- :)
[14:45] maritz: doesn't work according to him :(
[14:45] lwille: hm -.-
[14:45] maritz: first thing i did: tried -- on him
[14:45] lwille: hehe
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[14:48] jm_: hello
[14:48] jm_: ?
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[14:49] lwille: so I have been reading through node_buffer.h - does "You should
[14:49] lwille:       not be storing pointers to Buffer objects at all" mean that I can't use node::Buffer to pass a char* buffer over to JavaScript?
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[14:49] jm_: just want to ask..i have installed nodejs on my computer now
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[14:49] jm_: how will i run my codes?
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[14:50] jm_: is there any specific location that i need to put my files into?
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[14:51] jm_: how will i run my codes?is there any specific location that i need to put my files into?
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[14:52] bnoordhuis: lwille: you can copy the memory that your char pointer points to into the buffer
[14:52] bnoordhuis: jm_: `node script.js`
[14:53] martin_sunset: jm_: Again, read docs.nodejitsu.com
[14:53] peterrs: var e = require('events').EventEmitter; function test() { } e.on('myevent', test); e.removeListener('myevent', test) -> throws "function is not function" why is that when test() is referenced?
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[14:53] jm_: ok
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[14:54] bnoordhuis: lwille: also, Local<node::Buffer> buffer = new node::Buffer(data, length); -> Local<Object> buffer = Buffer::New(data, length);
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[14:54] bnoordhuis: lwille: New() is a factory method, not a constructor
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[14:55] bnoordhuis: peterrs: you need to instantiate an EventEmitter -> var e = new EventEmitter()
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[14:56] peterrs: bnoordhuis: hehe.. think i forgot to include that in my example, but it still throws 
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[14:57] maritz: peterrs: full gist?
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[15:00] lwille: nice one, bnoordhuis++ :)
[15:01] jm_: @bnoordhuis, i have just downloaded the node js msi installer for windows,are there any other things that i need to download?
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[15:02] bnoordhuis: jm_: no, but you can install extra modules with npm
[15:02] lwille: now I have error: cannot convert ‘node::Buffer*’ to ‘v8::Value* volatile’ in assignment - http://pastie.org/3160537
[15:02] jm_: then i need to run it on the cmd?
[15:02] maritz: jm_: yes
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[15:05] jm_: when i tried typing sample node server.js , what is displayed in the bottom is this : ---, what does it mean, isn't there any way to know that my program is running?
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[15:05] lwille: how would I convert the node::Buffer (which is an ObjectWrap) to a v8::Value ?
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[15:07] jm_: @bnoordhuis when i tried typing sample node server.js , what is displayed in the bottom is this : ---, what does it mean, isn't there any way to know that my program is running?
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[15:09] bnoordhuis: lwille: sorry, there are several factory methods - if it returns a Buffer*, buffer->handle_ is the V8 object
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[15:10] bnoordhuis: jm_: can you gist the full output?
[15:10] jm_: @bnoordhuis when i tried typing sample node server.js , what is displayed in the bottom is this : ---, what does it mean, isn't there any way to know that my program is running?
[15:10] lwille: thanks, bnoordhuis++
[15:11] bnoordhuis: jm_: also, repeatedly asking the same question - especially if directed at a particular person - is considered an irc faux pas
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[15:14] booyaa: bet he's on a flakey webirc
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[15:15] tmske: Hi, I'm completely new to node.js and I have a question about some async behaviour in following example: https://gist.github.com/0f15755573bf04e2b66f I was wondering if it is possible that the httpOptions can be incorrect between different calls to load and the http.request
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[15:17] peterrs: maritz: fubar on my side :) it initially held the wrong reference after all. 
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[15:18] tmske: If I'm correct the load function will be called async and possible not in order of the execution of _.each, so I was wondering what the behaviour of httpOptions is here, will it be defined once for every load call, or will it each load call overwrite it?
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[15:22] SomeoneWeird: say i have a var with { "email": "test@email.com" } in it, i should be able to get that email with var['email'] right?
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[15:23] peterrs: btw.. the node windows support, is that NT >= 5.1 or ?
[15:24] TheJH: SomeoneWeird, yes, but var.email is more elegent
[15:24] bnoordhuis: peterrs: xp and up
[15:24] SomeoneWeird: ah, ill try that
[15:24] TheJH: SomeoneWeird, and actually, "var" is an invalid variable name
[15:24] SomeoneWeird: yeah was just an example
[15:24] TheJH: ok
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[15:30] SomeoneWeird: TheJH, http://pastebin.com/Sa4jiz1q
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[15:31] TheJH: SomeoneWeird, your "row" is an array
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[15:32] TheJH: SomeoneWeird, row[0].email should be it
[15:32] SomeoneWeird: ooh,
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[15:33] SomeoneWeird: TheJH, cheers man
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[15:47] CIA-101: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r7cee968 10/ (src/node_isolate.cc src/node_isolate.h): isolates: add process-global list of isolates - http://git.io/sgAm9w
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[15:49] wuuts-up: Hi all, how can i send mails from nodejs? (preferably from localhost)
[15:50] CIA-101: node: 03Fedor Indutny 07master * r4cbcdb4 10/ (2 files): test: make debugger-repl tests work with isolates - http://git.io/4V4fuQ
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[15:53] Iszak: isaacs: got any plans on updating npm's site skin to coincide with node.js? now that it's been referenced on the homepage.
[15:53] Iszak: Or perhaps a sub domain!
[15:54] Shaunzie: nothing like spending 10 hours writing a wrapper for an API, only to find that someone already did it 8 months ago…. * le sigh *
[15:54] Iszak: Shaunzie: is it better than the other persons API?
[15:54] Iszak: rather wrapper
[15:55] Shaunzie: Iszak: nope just different. I wrote it in CS… but that's about the only real difference -.-
[15:55] Iszak: CS?
[15:55] Shaunzie: coffeescript
[15:55] Iszak: Oh.
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[15:57] isaacs: Iszak: yes, there are plans.  it's in the works.
[15:58] Iszak: good.
[15:59] booyaa: isaacs: please add unicorns to the website design
[15:59] Iszak: only when you enter the konami code.
[15:59] Shaunzie: booyaa: kinky O.o
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[16:00] isaacs: booyaa: i'll take that under advisement.
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[16:00] booyaa: Iszak / Shaunzie :D
[16:00] booyaa: isaacs: sir thank you sir sir!
[16:01] booyaa: question about the nodeup podcast.. is felxie the german sounding fellow?
[16:01] booyaa: or is that you isaacs?
[16:01] booyaa: sorry episode #1
[16:01] isaacs: booyaa: yes, i'm isaacs.
[16:01] isaacs: booyaa: oh, on the podcast.
[16:01] isaacs: i dunno
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[16:01] isaacs: felixge is hte german sounding fellow
[16:01] booyaa: ah okay danke
[16:02] isaacs: 
ACTION is american

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[16:04] yhahn: isaacs: custom keys in package.json ... bad idea?
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[16:05] isaacs: yhahn: it's fine
[16:05] isaacs: yhahn: it's best to not use something that's already in use, or likely to collide in the future
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[16:05] yhahn: yeah, we will namespace if we do it
[16:05] isaacs: yhahn: this page will show you all the keys currently in use: http://registry.npmjs.org/-/fields
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[16:05] isaacs: yhahn: assume that anything starting with a _ is npm-internal
[16:06] yhahn: damn, bookmarking : )
[16:06] yhahn: thanks
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[16:12] qbit_: anyone have a quick second to help me troubleshoot this : node-expat.node: undefined symbol 'ev_default_loop_ptr'
[16:12] qbit_: on v0.6.7
[16:12] qbit_: npm 1.1.0-beta-10 
[16:12] qbit_: I think I might have an issue with the openbsd package.. but I am not 100% sure
[16:13] isaacs: qbit_: that error probably comes from outside of node itself.
[16:13] isaacs: qbit_: maybe you have to rebuild expat?
[16:13] isaacs: have you updated node recently?
[16:13] qbit_: few days ago 
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[16:14] qbit_: but it's v0.6.7
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[16:14] Iszak: isaacs: can we strive to not have beta versions of npm in node.js?
[16:14] Iszak: or alpha, or any non-official releases for that matter.
[16:15] bradleymeck: qbit_ recompile your c++ addons
[16:15] qbit_: bradleymeck: have - same result
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[16:15] bradleymeck: manually cleaned out the build directories (rm -rf node_modules or w/e?)
[16:15] qbit_: it compiles fine 
[16:15] bradleymeck: qbit_^
[16:15] qbit_: yep
[16:16] isaacs: Iszak: those releases are official.
[16:16] Iszak: I mean non-stable releases then.
[16:16] isaacs: Iszak: they're stabler than the 1.0.106
[16:16] Iszak: well then promote it
[16:16] isaacs: Iszak: but yes, we strive for ever greater stability.
[16:16] Iszak: I think it's wrong to release a beta in a node.js, even if it's a technicality.
[16:16] isaacs: Iszak: the reason it's tagged such is because there is still more work to be done.
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[16:17] Iszak: it just doesn't distill confidence when you see beta.
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[16:18] _rockbot_: hi folks! I'm on a mac, and for some crazy reason it only lets me use node from certain folders - anyone know how I can make node global?
[16:18] _rockbot_: (what am I missing?)
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[16:18] qbit_: bradleymeck: any other suggestions ?
[16:19] bradleymeck: qbit_ not really that error is generally a c++ addon for 0.4 trying to talk in 0.6 :(
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[16:20] wuuts-up: yo all i am trying to use the nodemailer from andris9 but it can not find mimelib-noiconv library
[16:20] wuuts-up: i am from windows so cant install that with npm :(
[16:20] wuuts-up: what should i do?
[16:20] iaincarsberg: If 'm wanting to write a restful web service using nodejs, is express the best starting point, or are there others?
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[16:21] Iszak: isaacs: would you say that node.js is stable and secure for a production environment?
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[16:21] jerrysv: iaincarsberg: check out bricks.js http://bricksjs.com/documentation.html
[16:22] isaacs: Iszak: voxer, microsoft, ebay, yahoo and many others seem to think so.
[16:22] isaacs: Iszak: re the npm beta, you shoudln't be using npm in production anyway.
[16:22] isaacs: npm is a development tool.
[16:22] bradleymeck: iaincarsberg, express is a pretty good start, but flatiron or journey are other ones ive used and liked a lot
[16:22] isaacs: use it on your dev box, check your node_modules folder into git, and deploy static snapshots.
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[16:22] deedubs: anyone recall the site that was outlining the steps to writing successful applications.  It covered things like configing your app using ENV vars, continuous deployment, using config management..
[16:23] bradleymeck: or have a private npm repo (not shadowed)
[16:23] isaacs: bradleymeck: even that is not ideal.
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[16:25] booyaa: isaacs: i've seen discussion about this (re: deploying into prod) was there a definitive blog post?
[16:25] booyaa: i saw some stuff on twitter
[16:25] isaacs: booyaa: the one on mikeal rogers' blog
[16:25] booyaa: cool
[16:25] isaacs: booyaa: and the one that marco wrote for the yammer engineering blog
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[16:29] iaincarsberg: thanks jerrysv and bradwright journey looks pretty close to what I need, do you know if its possible to artificially belate the response? a crude example would be to wrap the code that responds in a setTimeout?
[16:30] jstash: http://www.mikealrogers.com/posts/nodemodules-in-git.html - sells it for me
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[16:31] booyaa: cheers isaacs found them both
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[16:31] booyaa: http://eng.yammer.com/blog/2012/1/4/managing-nodejs-dependencies-and-deployments-at-yammer.html
[16:31] deedubs: iaincarsberg: Yes its possible
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[16:32] Aikar: damn teespring disabled buying the node.js tshirt, they had printing machine issues. I got one, limited edition!
[16:32] Aikar: http://teespring.com/nodejs
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[16:32] iaincarsberg: deedubs: great thanks
[16:33] deedubs: iaincarsberg: app.get('/sleepy', function(rq,rp) {settimeout(function(){rp.send('Good morning'}, 2000)});
[16:33] iaincarsberg: deedubs: awesome :D
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[16:38] jerrysv: iaincarsberg: easy to artificially belate the response, but why?
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[16:42] jondot_: broofa, can you explain why one might even need persistence for UUIDv1's seed? as explained in the README note here: https://github.com/broofa/node-uuid
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[16:42] broofa: otp. one sec < jondot_ 
[16:42] blueadept: who has the cheapest cloud object storage?
[16:43] maritz: jerrysv: it's a good idea to do this on things like login or reset password to mitigate brute force attacks and make sure that no one can make a good guess at what is happening. (for example in a login it might take noticably longer if the password is incorrect than if only the email is incorrect. a random delay makes this way harder)
[16:43] iaincarsberg: jerrysv: I'm writing a web interface for hook.io cloud. The cloud needs to be scalable and fault tolerant, so the idea is to use a restful api to store 'batches' in a redis list, where the hook cloud will process the data, then message the restful api with the result, which will then be transmitted to the enduser
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[16:44] iaincarsberg: jerrysv: artificially belateing the response, does the same thing, will less tying </lazy>
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[16:44] qbit_: if I run ldd on the node-expat.node I get this : http://sprunge.us/dJTY 
[16:45] qbit_: http://sprunge.us/CONQ <-- and that is the test script / error 
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[16:47] jondot_: broofa, thanks (im assuming otp=on the phone)
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[16:58] bradleymeck: anyone have any idea why setrlimit on data/as would fail to make a node program exit when it excedes the maximum amount?
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[17:02] qbit_: I think it might be a problem with my node build on openbsd 
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[17:03] pauls1: anyone know how i can render an xml file with Jade? 
[17:04] pauls1: or just put plain xml in the file?
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[17:05] pauls1: it looks like it's stripping out the tags right now
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[17:06] pauls1: er, nevermind
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[17:08] AAA_awright: pauls1: What was the solution?
[17:09] pauls1: it wasn't actually broken, it was safari rendering it strangely 
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[17:35] mc: isaacs: is there a way to make npm generate the dependencies portion of a package.json for me?
[17:36] lietu: I'm trying to npm install socket.io to a folder that is a cifs mount, it's crashing because it fails to create a symbolic link .. any ideas how to get around that?
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[17:37] torvalamo: lietu try npm install socket.io -g
[17:38] lietu: sure, that works, but it's not quite the same thing .. also I haven't yet figured out how to get require working for those things installed with -g
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[17:38] torvalamo: and then hard link to your work folder with "npm link socket.io"
[17:38] lietu: hard link? over filesystems?
[17:38] lietu: crash
[17:38] torvalamo: oh
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[17:39] torvalamo: it's on a different filesystem
[17:39] torvalamo: ?
[17:39] lietu: ... well, as I said, it's a cifs mount, where-ever -g goes would also be a cifs mount, then it would also crash due to inability to create symlinks
[17:39] torvalamo: a hard link isn't a sym link
[17:40] lietu: I know, but npm install is trying to create a symlink
[17:40] torvalamo: does it tell you for what?
[17:40] lietu: or to be more specific, "npm install socket.io"
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[17:41] lietu: well the log is a bit difficult to read, but I would assume it's some file for socket.io
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[17:41] lietu: .. I've managed to install a couple of other modules just fine
[17:41] catb0t:  Exception: SyntaxError: Unexpected token ILLEGAL
[17:41] ioparadigm: lietu, are you using something like virtualbox to run linux/nodejs there?
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[17:41] lietu: ioparadigm: ... what? .. I've got a machine, with node on it, and my source folder mounted over cifs from another machine
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[17:42] lietu: a real, physical machine, as if that actually makes a difference
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[17:43] ioparadigm: lietu, im just asking because i've had that problem before myself at one time.
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[17:44] lietu: right .. well all I see is that the issue seems to be that for some reason it wants to create a symlink and fails when it can't do it, and you can't do symlinks on cifs
[17:44] ioparadigm: lietu, i ended up leaving my source, nodejs, npm, and modules on the other machine, which i use samba and a network map to access that filesystem
[17:44] lietu: it looks like this has something to do with "io.js" or "/___socket.io-client.npm/package/lib/socket.io-client.js"
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[17:44] ioparadigm: lietu, and ssh to the machine
[17:44] lietu: could be it's trying to symlink one to the other
[17:45] torvalamo: can you paste the error?
[17:45] lietu: well, my source folder is automatically backed up from one place, and it would take somewhat considerable effort to arrange it otherwise, and I can only really mount it over cifs since I'm running winblows on the machine with the source folder .. I could work around this issue if I could just figure out what I need to do to access the modules installed with -g
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[17:46] lietu: I don't see how that'll help, but I can do it
[17:46] torvalamo: just to see which files may be involved
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[17:47] ioparadigm: lietu, well, instead of the nodejs server mounting your windows share, you can have windows mount the linux share and it will fix the problem, if thats possible, i couldnt find a solution
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[17:47] lietu: http://pastebin.com/4FdGXT70
[17:47] torvalamo: oh, btw.. you can still do "npm install socket.io -g" on the server and then just copy the contents of /usr/local/lib/node/node_modules/socket.io to your working_dir/node_modules/socket.io
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[17:48] lietu: can't I just configure my node to find the modules from where-ever npm install -g puts them?
[17:48] torvalamo: that was the default before
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[17:48] lietu: and I highly doubt it goes to /usr/local since I'm not running this as root
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[17:49] torvalamo: if you run npm install -g you need root
[17:49] ioparadigm: lietu, if you go to / directory, and install the modules there, it will find them, it recurses backwards up to "/" looking for /node_modules
[17:49] torvalamo: i think it asks
[17:49] lietu: torvalamo: no, not the way I have it installed .. it installs stuff to ~/.npm
[17:49] lietu: ~/.npm/socket.io/0.8.7/
[17:49] torvalamo: with -g?
[17:49] lietu: oh, and /package after that
[17:49] lietu: ... yes
[17:50] lietu: I just installed this with nvm to a single user
[17:50] torvalamo: ok well copy it from there to your project's node_modules folder
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[17:51] lietu: so why can't I just configure node to require stuff properly from npm install -g location?
[17:52] torvalamo: well you can
[17:52] torvalamo: if you give it the full path
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[17:52] torvalamo: require('~/.npm/socket.io etc
[17:52] lietu: mjeah, they're saying that you shouldn't use the stuff installed with -g directly for whatever random reasons, and saying I should use link, which of course doesn't work
[17:53] lietu: well the full path isn't very portable
[17:53] torvalamo: exactly
[17:53] ioparadigm: lietu, you might want to carefully read http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/modules.html
[17:53] ioparadigm: also see "Loading from the global folders"
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[17:54] lietu: mjeah, well it says the same thing, I am highly encouraged to place my dependencies locally in node_modules folders, though it doesn't really explain why I should do that
[17:54] torvalamo: http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/modules.html#loading_from_the_global_folders
[17:54] ioparadigm: lietu, in my experience, you will need to install the modules somewhere else than on the windows share with npm, and there are ways to let node where you installed them somewhere on the native linux FS
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[17:55] lietu: torvalamo: you do know that's essentially the same link as earlier, and yes, I did read that section
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[17:56] torvalamo: yes that's the same link and it seemed like you didn't
[17:56] lietu: as I said, "I am highly encouraged to place my dependencies locally in node_modules folders, though it doesn't really explain why I should do that" .. but yeah, fine, I can manually cp it from the install -g location, but it feels pretty stupid
[17:56] torvalamo: or you can change node_path on the machine itself
[17:56] lietu: yes, I can, but I'm highly recommended to not do that
[17:56] TheJH: lietu, place them in the local folder so that you can copy it to another machine and it works
[17:56] deedubs: so all these people recommending you should put them in node_modules and not do anything else.  What's the problem again?
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[17:57] TheJH: lietu, after all, you want software to work on othe machines, too
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[17:57] TheJH: lietu, also, you might want different versions of a module for different projects
[17:57] lietu: well, the problem originally was that "npm install socket.io" crashed when trying to create a symlink on a cifs filesystem, and "npm install -g socket.io" and "npm link socket.io" fails 'coz it was trying to do hardlinks from one fs to another .. 
[17:58] TheJH: hardlinks???
[17:58] lietu: I *can* do a cp -a ~/.npm/... to my local node_modules folder, but it feels pretty stupid to manually do that
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[17:58] lietu: well that's what someone said it's trying to do, the other option is that it's trying to do symlinks, which will also fails, since it's cifs
[17:58] ioparadigm: lietu, if you try to use npm inside a windows share it wont work, so you must use npm inside a folder that is native linux FS, then copy them over, or you can mount linux FS and access your source there instead of having linux mount windows share
[17:58] isaacs: lietu: do not do that.
[17:58] lietu: isaacs: do what?
[17:59] isaacs: lietu: ~/.npm is a cache folder
[17:59] tablackmore: I'm having a problem with npm when I do npm install anyModule in a directory all works but the path it places the modules in is all messed up i.e. ../../../../node_modules/express
[17:59] isaacs: lietu: it's not an installation
[17:59] lietu: oh
[17:59] TheJH: tablackmore, delete that folder
[17:59] isaacs: tablackmore, lietu: please run `npm help folders` and read through it
[17:59] isaacs: tablackmore: delete that node_modules folder, or create a package.json in your project first.
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[17:59] isaacs: tablackmore: like git, npm walks up to the highest node_modules folder or package.json it finds, and uses that as the local root
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[18:00] tablackmore: @isaacs great thanks for the explanation gotcha
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[18:00] isaacs: lietu: you can set the NODE_PATH environment variable, but that's not recommende.d
[18:00] lietu: ok, so it's at ~/.nvm/v0.6.7/lib/node_modules/ then
[18:00] isaacs: lietu: local package installs are better.
[18:00] isaacs: lietu: it's better to just install it in your app's node_modules folder.
[18:01] torvalamo: he cant do it automatically because of cifs
[18:01] lietu: yeah, I read that, I can do it, but that it's highly not recommended .. but again
[18:01] lietu: ... the issue is that I'd have to manually cp it 
[18:01] lietu: it's not really THAT big of an issue, just a big annoyance, for one, whatever it expects to be symlinked really isn't
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[18:02] lietu: ah, and well, cp -a fails because it's trying to create symlinks .. cp -aL seems to work though
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[18:02] isaacs: lietu: you should not have to manually cp it.
[18:02] torvalamo: isaacs: http://pastebin.com/4FdGXT70 his error log
[18:03] isaacs: lietu: what is it you're tryign to do?  either npm can't do it, shouldn't do it, or you're just lacking the proper command, i'm guessing.
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[18:03] ioparadigm: lietu, i dont think anyone can help you, you cant make a symlink in windows share, try yourself
[18:03] torvalamo: he's trying to npm install in his app folder, but that app folder is on a cifs mount
[18:03] isaacs: ugh.  unknown error.
[18:03] isaacs: what's cifs?
[18:03] mc: samba
[18:03] mc: windows share
[18:03] torvalamo: like an internet mount thing
[18:03] isaacs: ohhhh… ok
[18:03] isaacs: yeah, that will not work.
[18:04] lietu: ... ok, I've got a project folder, at ~/source/foo/ .. ~/source is a cifs mount, I'm trying to "npm install socket.io", which is trying to create two symlinks, which will fail, because it's cifs that doesn't support them .. also, "npm install -g socket.io" & "npm link socket.io" will fail for the same reason
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[18:04] isaacs: lietu: the problem is that your filesystem is a lying liar.
[18:04] isaacs: it says it's unix, but it's actually windows.
[18:04] isaacs: so it's trying to do things that are supported in unix, but then they fail.
[18:04] markq: :O
[18:04] lietu: well, no-one is really asking it ;)
[18:04] isaacs: npm asks process.platform
[18:05] torvalamo: oh snap
[18:05] isaacs: which exposes us to this problem.
[18:05] isaacs: right?
[18:05] isaacs: because platform !== fs
[18:05] torvalamo: get yer pitch forks and yer torches
[18:05] markq: unix wannabe
[18:05] lietu: so you're saying if I mount a fat32 at /, it will work? ;)
[18:05] markq: windows ain't part of da club
[18:05] sarlalian: fat32 doesn't support symlinks, but ntfs does
[18:05] ioparadigm: lietu, that is why if you mount linux share instead, you can do all unix things you want in your source folder, like create the symlinks and npm will work, that is the solution i found
[18:05] lietu: neither does over cifs
[18:06] isaacs: lietu: if it's running non-windows, it assumes that symlinks are supported.
[18:06] lietu: mjeah
[18:06] sarlalian: technically cifs does, but its somewhat new, and not included in samba last I checked
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[18:06] isaacs: lietu: it'd be nice if maybe it just handled this error better, and symlink failures were swallowed somehow.
[18:06] isaacs: lietu: but i dunno.
[18:06] torvalamo: is there no way to check for filesystem instead of platform?
[18:06] isaacs: that sounds like a bad idea, now that i say it.
[18:06] isaacs: torvalamo: the only reliable way to know if symlinks are supported is to try to make one.
[18:06] lietu: torvalamo: manually parsing "mount", maybe? ... but I doubt it
[18:07] isaacs: and, they ARE supported on windows, just in a very wildly different way.
[18:07] torvalamo: yeah but it's not just symlinks
[18:07] isaacs: exactly
[18:07] isaacs: lietu: can you install in a normal folder?  ie, not a cifs samba mount?
[18:07] lietu: mjeah, I've used mklink a few times on ntfs, it's always given me severe headaches
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[18:08] lietu: well, theoretically I could, of course, however I don't want to, since my source folder is automatically backed up from the windows machine, with a service for which I have a single-machine license
[18:08] torvalamo: windows symlinks arent links at all, theyre just normal files with a path in them... which is so stupid it's not even funny :P
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[18:08] MooGoo: you seem to be thinking of Shortcuts
[18:09] torvalamo: no
[18:09] torvalamo: links too
[18:09] lietu: but yeah, apparently I have two options, cp -aL from the ~/.nvm/... -folder to my local node_modules, or configure NODE_PATH to search the ~/.nvm/... folder ... which would you recommend? ;)
[18:09] MooGoo: even the super new ones?
[18:09] torvalamo: dunno, what are the super new ones?
[18:09] lietu: mklink
[18:09] torvalamo: hm
[18:09] MooGoo: ntfs symbolic links
[18:09] torvalamo: never even seen one
[18:09] torvalamo: :P
[18:09] MooGoo: and before that ntfs junction points
[18:09] MooGoo: which are somewhat more limited
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[18:10] lietu: mainly they seem to break things at some point, and cause severe issues when you accidentally forget something is an ntfs link
[18:10] torvalamo: this linking talk got me to thinking... isn't there a linking way to make environment paths a bit more efficient?
[18:10] MooGoo: course no one ever uses these things it seems
[18:10] lietu: MooGoo: mainly because they're pretty broken
[18:11] ioparadigm: lietu, ~/.nvm/?
[18:11] lietu: I've tried to use them, now I've got files and folders I can't delete because they're "symbolic links" that point to "nowhere" since I moved the place they were pointing to
[18:11] torvalamo: hahaha
[18:11] MooGoo: heh...Windows has a knack for dissallowing you to delete your own files
[18:12] lietu: ioparadigm: I've used "nvm install" to install node, locally, somewhere under ~/.nvm .. npm install -g seems to install stuff under ~/.nvm/..../node_modules/
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[18:12] torvalamo: so that may explain my undeletable old programs then
[18:12] torvalamo: or their folders
[18:12] lietu: oh yeah, windows uses that internally, for some files under \windows and \program files etc
[18:12] ioparadigm: lietu, ah, ive never even heard of that
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[18:13] lietu: oh
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[18:13] lietu: I think it's pretty new
[18:13] lietu: I only found it a couple of months ago iirc
[18:13] lietu: the only easy and working way to install node, that I've found
[18:13] ioparadigm: lietu, node is off the chain, i cant keep up
[18:13] lietu: just "nvm install v0.6.7", "nvm use v0.6.7" and "nvm alias v0.6.7 default" and it's done
[18:14] torvalamo: so essentially they implemented symlinks and made them hidden and painful instead of just putting them out there in plain sight being what they are
[18:14] EyePulp: how do nvm and nave compare?
[18:14] lietu: and iirc it was a oneliner to install nvm, maybe add one more line to bashrc or something to make it work permanently
[18:14] ioparadigm: how do you even choose from 20 templating engines :(
[18:14] isaacs: ioparadigm: you just use html.
[18:14] isaacs: ;)
[18:14] lietu: EyePulp: sorry, dunno
[18:14] isaacs: lietu: about this symlink thing...
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[18:14] lietu: isaacs: yeah?
[18:15] isaacs: lietu: it looks like maybe we can just skip over that if it fails in the build step.
[18:15] isaacs: lietu: however, if you depend on the local bin files, then ti'll fail.
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[18:15] isaacs: lietu: and i'm not very enthused aboutthe prospect of setting up shims for that stuff.
[18:15] isaacs: though, we do have to for windows anyway.
[18:16] isaacs: lietu: can you do your npm installing in windows-native?
[18:16] lietu: well, I could try, but last I heard node isn't that good in windows, so I've not even tried
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[18:21] lietu: erm, yeah .. the installer says all I need to do is to open a command prompt and run "node" for it to work .. it doesn't, it's not in path, or something
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[18:21] ioparadigm: lietu, i really think its nice to create a samba share of / (the entire linux FS) then create a network map from windows, say X: and your backup program could access your source to back it up there
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[18:22] ioparadigm: from there*
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[18:22] lietu: ew, no .. I could theoretically consider doing a samba share from /home/lietu/source and map it in windows, but I've got bad experience with using anything over the network in windows .. linux can do it much better, in windows you end up with your IDEs freezing randomly, etc.
[18:23] secoif: does anyone have a recommendation on the best way to require a private repo without having to commit *my* github credentials into a ssh url in the package.json?
[18:23] ioparadigm: i havent had a problem works great on local network, very fast, you just install samba, use this smb.conf http://pastebin.com/XKStps5n and use smbpasswd -a to create user, windows will auto discov
[18:23] lietu: at some point I'll set up a NAS box with both NFS and Samba access, use most of my files from that instead of from a windows machine, but that's gotta wait at least for the hdd prices to come back down ;)
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[18:23] booyaa|hs: do any people who work for a node paases?
[18:24] lietu: I've installed samba quite many times thanks
[18:24] booyaa|hs: i'm hoping to get some more freebie accounts to host baconsmart (my node paas version tracker)
[18:24] jerrysv: booyaa|hs: try hitting #nodejitsu
[18:24] bradleymeck: booyaa|hs, hmmm?
[18:24] booyaa|hs: jerrysv: already go those guys ;)
[18:24] booyaa|hs: they were first people to host it
[18:25] booyaa|hs: http://booyaa.github.com/baconsmart/
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[18:25] booyaa|hs: bradleymeck: ^^^
[18:25] bradleymeck: aaah
[18:25] booyaa|hs: i'm a bit too dim to work out how to turn that github url into a subdom on my own domain booyaa.org
[18:25] bradleymeck: booyaa|hs are you going to do anything to check when there are multiple versions supported?
[18:25] ioparadigm: lietu, well, not sure why you are so persistent to keep your source on your windows FS
[18:26] booyaa|hs: bradleymeck: yeah... you guys are going to go to v0.6 soon right?
[18:26] lietu: because I've got enough experience with not doing that ;)
[18:26] lietu: ... if it would work well otherwise, I would happily not do it, it does not work as well as having it on the windows fs ;)
[18:26] ioparadigm: lietu, what is the different, linux mount windows or vice versa
[18:26] bradleymeck: booyaa|hs its going through yet another UA testing phase /cry
[18:26] booyaa|hs: only thing i've left off was aws and heroku's roll your own version of node. i'm covering their cedar stack
[18:26] bradleymeck: but yes
[18:26] lietu: that linux mounting it from windows works better, than windows mounting from linux
[18:26] secoif: ahh, I believe my solution is http://shadow-npm.net/
[18:27] booyaa|hs: bradleymeck: yeah so long as i can have another app tracking diff version... does raise an interesting point though...
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[18:28] lietu: ioparadigm: heck, the ideal solution would be no windows at all, but I do have a windows machine, and I hate dualbooting more than most other things ;)
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[18:30] deedubs: booyaa|hs: if you want help with the cname stuff PM me
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[18:30] booyaa|hs: deedubs: sure thanks mano just wanna check what i did wrong.
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[18:31] ioparadigm: lietu, your gonna like being able to mount / on windows as say X: or whatever, you can easily access /etc in your text editor for instance, instead of using command line to edit files
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[18:32] ioparadigm: lietu, there is really no speed different or security concerns there on local network
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[18:33] TheJH: lietu, virtualbox?
[18:33] lietu: TheJH: no
[18:33] ioparadigm: lietu, so basically your linux FS is simply like another partition on the windows box
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[18:34] lietu: ioparadigm: I find it easy enough to edit any files in /etc, and I know exactly what you mean .. but as I've said repeatedly already, there are some issues with using samba shares in windows, speed, latencies, IDEs randomly freeze, etc. .. windows mounting stuff over samba just isn't very stable, but once you configure the windows a bit, linux mounting from samba is stable enough
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[18:34] lietu: it might be fast enough and stable enough for you, it is not for me
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[18:36] lietu: I could even run the same IDE on the linux machine directly, it's just two desktop machines side by side, one mounting one folder over samba from the other .. but I prefer the keyboard attached to the windows machine, and I've got some issues with sharing the kbd&mouse over synergy
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[18:36] CrabDude: Just out of curiosity, does anyone know of any modules that depend upon the require system's caching (require.cache) in order to share a common registry of say event listeners or something?
[18:37] bradleymeck: CrabDude several depend on the fact that cache will give a singleton
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[18:38] CrabDude: bradleymeck: Sure. =) names?
[18:38] bradleymeck: winston and almost all other loggers, most flatiron apps, express due to configuration (unless explicitly coded otherwise), thats all i can think of all top of my head
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[18:40] te-brian: for primarily node.js / mongodb stacks.. what would you recommend learning.. Chef or Puppet?
[18:40] nym: this aol chat room is overrated
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[18:40] secoif: CrabDude mongoose
[18:41] CrabDude: bradleymeck: In what ways do they depend upon being require cache / Singletons? How do they deal with multiple versions / multiple includes?
[18:41] CrabDude: if say, they're not a top-level dependency
[18:43] bradleymeck: CrabDude, they will duplicate themselves so if mynodemodule/node_modules/a and mynodemodule/node_modules/helper/node_modules/a grab different versions and helper configures / monkey patches a, mynodemodule's a will not see the change
[18:44] secoif: CrabDude I don't believe there is a way to share data via cache if they're not on the same level
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[18:44] secoif: CrabDude I think that's a limitation of the nodes' require  
[18:44] bradleymeck: this becomes really bad if you insist on monkey patching things instead of using a plugin library like broadway
[18:44] secoif: path.
[18:44] jerrysv: CrabDude: https://github.com/JerrySievert/global makes explicit use of the caching
[18:45] CrabDude: bradleymeck: secoif: okay, thx. That's more or less what I assumed, but I'm solving this problem in the browser and James Burke pointed out that some browser-side modules depend upon this, and looking to node for inspiration, I was trying to see if anyone architected their modules this way, or if it was simply a broken architecture to be discouraged.
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[18:47] bradleymeck: CrabDude, discourage it, make them export an object and anything outside of that object should be considered volatile, an unfortunate truth if you support other people's code
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[18:48] CrabDude: jerrysv: Isn't this intrinsically less global than the host global b/c it'll be cached based on path?
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[18:48] jerrysv: yes. it's also a very bad abuse of caching to prove a point
[18:49] CrabDude: bradleymeck: I wonder, if a module author did want a single registry, if there was a non-global way to do this in memory (might be a stupid question...)
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[18:50] CrabDude: jerrysv: oh. ha. sorry, thought it was serious.
[18:50] jerrysv: CrabDude: not everything i do is serious, just some of it :)
[18:50] CIA-101: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07v0.6 * re6a30bd 10/ (src/node_buffer.h src/stream_wrap.cc): 
[18:50] CIA-101: node: Fix #2473
[18:50] CIA-101: node: Tested in production.
[18:50] CIA-101: node: See also http://code.google.com/p/v8/issues/detail?id=1889 - http://git.io/6Bn4eA
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[18:57] secoif: CrabDude what are you trying to solve?
[18:57] booyaa|hs: is there a better way of getting the filename of the running script other than process.argv? right now i have to check if argv[0] is node and then check [1] for the actual script name
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[18:57] booyaa|hs: argv[0] will only be the script name if it's shebanged
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[18:57] secoif: booyaa|hs isn't it liek __filename or something
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[18:58] secoif: booyaa|hs http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/all.html#__filename
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[18:58] secoif: booyaa|hs use path.basename(__filename) to just get the filename
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[19:00] booyaa|hs: secoif: may your supply of hookers and coke never dry up!
[19:00] booyaa|hs: secoif++
[19:00] catb0t: secoif now has 1 beer
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[19:00] isaacs: mc: no, there is not a way to have npm spit out the dependencies in a nice little json object
[19:00] secoif: booyaa|hs :D what are you actually trying to check
[19:00] isaacs: mc: it'd be nice to have a way to do that.  should be pretty straightforward.
[19:01] mc: it would be somewhat convenient
[19:01] isaacs: mc: yeah
[19:01] isaacs: people ask for it often
[19:01] isaacs: just too easy to do by hand, is the problem :)
[19:01] secoif: mc you can use npm install --save to build the deps in package.json as you go
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[19:01] mc: yeah, most of the time it really is
[19:01] isaacs: you can pipe `npm ls -lp` to awk -F:
[19:01] booyaa|hs: secoif: i'm going to monitor a dropbox dir for new js scripts (so i can jshint them) thought it might be a good idea exclude certain scripts.
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[19:02] isaacs: and then munge it up and get most of the way there.
[19:02] mc: isaacs: that's more or less what we did
[19:02] mc: a little sed magic and called it a day
[19:02] booyaa|hs: obvs my urnning script wouldn't live in this dropbox dir that would be daft, but no harm in avoiding future unplanned usecases
[19:02] isaacs: mc: yep.
[19:02] isaacs: mc: that's the state of the art :)
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[19:03] mc: now i'm back to figuring out how to buffer this writestream and make it not choke when i throw tons of data at it
[19:03] secoif: booyaa|hs what if someone wants to jshint a file with the exact same name as your app?
[19:04] secoif: booyaa|hs also, perhaps YAGNI
[19:04] secoif: booyaa|hs "If you need it, you can put it in later."
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[19:05] booyaa|hs: true, there's always a possibility i might use it on the script
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[19:05] booyaa|hs: secoif: bit of background i'm writing code on my ipad using textastic.it's got no linting tools which makes writing js for a noob fun.
[19:05] secoif: booya, you perhaps check that require.main != the file you're testing for
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[19:06] booyaa|hs: i can upload files to said dropbox dir.
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[19:06] secoif: booyaa|hs is there no client-side linter?
[19:07] CrabDude: secoif: I'm building a browser-side package manager and I'm duplicating the multi-version cache-on-path dependency resolution of node
[19:07] msch: are you guys reading http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3448027 ?
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[19:07] booyaa|hs: secoif: it's underdiscussion.. atm
[19:08] booyaa|hs: secoif: plus i can prowl the errors back to my iphone
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[19:08] booyaa|hs: yeah it's a bit over hacked but having used jshint in vim. it seems insane not use it if i can
[19:08] firebalrog: i am having trouble with an app that uses fswatcher and runs fine from command prompt ie: node app.js but when I run it with "forever app.js" I am getting an exception on the fswatcher anyone have any thoughts
[19:08] booyaa|hs: HAEDOKEN!
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[19:08] booyaa|hs: sorry firebalrog natural response
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[19:09] booyaa|hs: secoif: i did try using jshint website but the editor doesn't like ipads
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[19:09] booyaa|hs: i.e. couldn't trigger paste
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[19:10] secoif: CrabDude interesting. why not add to something like requirejs?
[19:10] firebalrog: maybe  found it uses a relative path in fswatcher might not be the same when run from the init.d
[19:10] CrabDude: secoif: b/c requirejs is a module loader not a package manager =)
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[19:11] secoif: CrabDude sure. though the multi-version cache-on-path stuff is part of node's module loader, not it's package manager
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[19:12] CrabDude: secoif: yup, but a package manager is coupled with the underlying module system
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[19:12] secoif: booyaa|hs jshint is open source, you could plug it into your own ipad-paste-enabled form https://github.com/jshint/jshint/
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[19:13] CrabDude: secoif: I actually don't remember how npm worked prior to node_modules. I assume it did a lot of require.paths
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[19:14] firebalrog: that was it don't use relative paths when you use forever and init.d in your scripts
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[19:18] secoif: going to bed. 5am = wtf am I doing. night.
[19:18] booyaa|hs: secoif: this is a point, duh might need to sweet talk the the jsfiddle guys to see what their secret sauce is
[19:18] booyaa|hs: secoif: night! thanks for the input
[19:18] secoif: booyaa|hs np
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[19:22] okCPU_: does setTimeout block I/O?
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[19:23] joshsmith: this is amazing: https://github.com/DanielRapp/twss.js
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[19:24] torvalamo: setTimeout doesn't block anything
[19:25] torvalamo: ever
[19:25] torvalamo: the callback you supply to setTimeout might though
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[19:25] torvalamo: depends what it is
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[19:35] xSmurf: hey all, anyone uses Jasmine? shouldn't a test end is an expect fails?
[19:36] xSmurf: for example I have a test which runs an http request and if expect(res.statusCode).toEqual(200) fails it shouldn't keep on running tests which require the body
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[19:45] TooTallNate: can somebody on OS X please try compiling this sample gyp program?
[19:45] TooTallNate: https://gist.github.com/1590684
[19:46] TooTallNate: I'm trying to determine whether the 'cflags' parameter is broken on OS X or what...
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[19:50] CIA-101: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * rd4ee61f 10/ (5 files): Add failing test-isolates2.js - http://git.io/NJpx8g
[19:51] arlolra: TooTallNate: https://gist.github.com/1590800
[19:51] TooTallNate: arlolra: thanks, so that's a 2nd confirmation
[19:52] TooTallNate: looks like it's busted in gyp :\
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[19:56] lowerkey: Greetings all, I have a problem running code from the guide: http://pastebin.com/RA5uNJna http://pastebin.com/rMa2p4u8 The req.body variable isn't set
[19:56] lowerkey: The express guide that is
[19:57] stagas: lowerkey: put the app.use stuff above the routes
[19:57] lowerkey: stagas: thanks!
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[19:59] stagas: lowerkey: first call to app.get/post etc does app.use(app.router) so the routing was done before the rest middleware
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[20:01] CIA-101: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07v0.6 * r0ad2717 10/ src/node_zlib.cc : Make sure that zlib contexts are not garbage collected when busy - http://git.io/FTSzBw
[20:02] CIA-101: node: 03Bert Belder 07v0.6 * r2d8af39 10/ src/node_zlib.cc : Fix memory leak in node_zlib - http://git.io/NylRnQ
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[20:04] CIA-101: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * re1b829d 10/ (2 files): Add broken test-isolates3.js - http://git.io/gCGb6w
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[20:09] gravem: hi guys ... anyone have any tip on how to test eventemitter "subclasses" with vows?
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[20:15] isaacs: CrabDude: yes, it did a lot of require.paths, symlinks, and shims.
[20:15] isaacs: CrabDude: it was a mess.
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[20:16] CrabDude: isaacs: I find the npm / require.paths => npm / node_modules evolution to be rather analogous to the needs of the browser
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[20:24] emilsedgh: guys, i've written a very simple SOCKS5 server using node. do you think its worthy of being shared? (not a lib just an application. also has no great code. its my first node.js app)
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[20:24] zomg: If you think someone could find it useful, sure why not
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[20:27] ryanrolds_w: I'm driving the other developers crazy. Every type of node instance is named after a type of flat bread.
[20:27] ryanrolds_w: the names so far are flatbread, pita, naan
[20:28] zomg: One of the less harmful ways to make other developers crazy
[20:28] zomg: =)
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[20:29] zomg: I was just ranting elsewhere about how my coworkers drive me crazy because they don't bother (yes, they could but they won't) to write proper code
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[20:29] torvalamo: a system at work is called K2, and the login system is called sherpa
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[20:30] torvalamo: i suspect there were other systems connected to this, but it's old and most of it has been replaced
[20:31] torvalamo: (K2 is a mountain)
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[20:31] torvalamo: for those who didn't get it
[20:31] jesusabdullah: sherpa/ Nice
[20:31] bnoordhuis: zomg: proper code is highly overrated
[20:31] bnoordhuis: where's the job security in that?
[20:31] raingrove: a company i was doing consulting work had its computers named after famous b*tches. like typhoid-mary and elizabeth-bathory.
[20:33] torvalamo: what would be cool is name them after random cities, so it looks like a world wide network
[20:33] torvalamo: while in fact it's just next to you
[20:34] zomg: bnoordhuis: probably in having written something that is not a steaming pile of shit and actually making a profit instead of fixing the aforementioned
[20:34] zomg: =)
[20:34] torvalamo: the network admins would be talking about berlin and tokyo and everyone else would have no fucking clue
[20:34] mmalecki: 'hey, did you get Berlin down?'
[20:34] mmalecki: this may get you in trouble ;)
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[20:35] zomg: Haha
[20:35] zomg: I would name things like that on purpose
[20:35] zomg: for fun
[20:35] jesusabdullah: I saw a youtube show once where the it department named a printer after a porn star
[20:35] jesusabdullah: I think it was God, Inc?
[20:36] jesusabdullah: it's actually pretty fun, but short
[20:36] torvalamo: 'i cant find sacramento'
[20:36] zomg: When I was contracting at Nokia they had pretty random names for the meeting rooms in the building
[20:36] zomg: like "Enter"
[20:36] zomg: I took two post it notes and fixed it so it says "USS Enterprise"
[20:36] jesusabdullah: My computers are named after pokemon
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[20:36] jesusabdullah: ALTARIA! GO!
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[20:37] zomg: My old intel celeron 300mhz w/ 64mb ram dedicated server box was called Skynet
[20:37] zomg: Skynet had a hard disk failure. End of story
[20:37] jesusabdullah: idea: Build a tool that names your cloud provisioned computers using the Dwarf Fortress dwarven naming algorithm
[20:37] zomg: :D
[20:38] benvie: netflix has all their conference rooms names after movie heroes and villians
[20:38] benvie: like one's named batman
[20:38] zomg: jesusabdullah: I second that!
[20:38] joshsmith: anyone here use Mocha to unit test?
[20:38] zomg: benvie: awesome :D
[20:38] chilts: mmalecki: one time one of the sysadmins said "Why is Tracy so f*ck*ng stupid?", just as Tracey walked in :)
[20:38] chilts: Tracey=the server :)
[20:38] chilts: wait, no 'e'
[20:38] mmalecki: chilts: lol
[20:39] zomg: At Tieto (big finnish IT house), I was told, they name their meeting rooms with "high flying names"
[20:39] zomg: such as Hollywood
[20:39] tristanpemble: I have a node service that is exiting unexpectedly without any exceptions. I've tried running in debug and I'm not getting anywhere, does anyone have any suggestions?
[20:40] torvalamo: our meeting rooms are named after different types of fly lure (because the company that owned the building(s) before was a huge manufacturer of said items), so one is called green highlander, and another is grizzly king, etc
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[20:41] mmalecki: zomg: "going to hollywood, brb"
[20:41] TheJH: tristanpemble, there was a thread about it on the ML
[20:41] TheJH: tristanpemble, some timing issues
[20:41] zomg: mmalecki: yep, we had a meeting at hollywood once :D
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[20:41] tristanpemble: TheJH: thanks, I'll look for that
[20:41] zomg: or.. in hollywood =)
[20:41] torvalamo: is there one called "the council"?
[20:42] torvalamo: or the citadel even
[20:42] torvalamo: congress?
[20:42] torvalamo: white house?
[20:42] torvalamo: :P
[20:43] mmalecki: 'we have a party at white house today, drop by'
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[20:43] mmalecki: sounds so badass
[20:44] torvalamo: we're meeting in the white house, going to discuss berlin
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[20:44] mmalecki: lol
[20:45] zomg: Should name them after old video games
[20:45] zomg: "Bad Dudes"
[20:45] zomg: Or maybe those should be team names, but only names which imply more than one something
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[20:45] torvalamo: wanna hear the best team name ever? (my team)
[20:45] torvalamo: fluffy kittenz
[20:45] torvalamo: OH YEAH
[20:45] zomg: haha
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[20:46] torvalamo: all guys btw
[20:46] zomg: me and our graphics guy's team in our company NHL 12 league was called Japanese Punk Kittens
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[20:46] zomg: because I speak some japanese and he likes punk. I don't know where the kittens came from
[20:46] torvalamo: the internet
[20:46] torvalamo: no doubt
[20:46] zomg: Yeah
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[20:47] daynier: very cool
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[20:47] daynier: Hello. Can anyone here answer a question about vm in node?
[20:48] torvalamo: ask it and we will see
[20:48] daynier: okay
[20:48] daynier: I'm trying to catch error exceptions.
[20:48] daynier: I'm going nuts here.
[20:49] daynier: var script = require('vm').createScript('var a=1; forEach()');
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[20:50] daynier: try { script.runInNewContext({'console':console}) } catch(err) { sys.error(err); }
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[20:50] zomg: Oh neat, that vm module thing can be used to sandbox JS?
[20:50] daynier: I can catch syntax errors but not that forEach
[20:50] daynier: yeah
[20:50] daynier: running a web server with it
[20:51] chrisdickinson: daynier: you're looking to catch runtime errors?
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[20:51] daynier: No
[20:51] zomg: Once upon a time I hacked Rhino so I could safely run JS in it. It was scary and probably not even properly sandboxed =)
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[20:51] zomg: (then I got bored and forgot about the project I was using it for)
[20:51] daynier: I can catch runtime errors
[20:52] chrisdickinson: daynier: that forEach would probably be a runtime error.
[20:52] daynier: but I have to be now fallback to using process.on('uncaughtException', handleError)
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[20:52] chrisdickinson: (assuming it's causing error by wont of being "undefined" when called)
[20:52] torvalamo: so the reference error there is caught by uncaught exception but not the catch on that line?
[20:52] daynier: This doesn't provide me the access to the request object that the error was caught on
[20:53] daynier: yeah
[20:53] daynier: its strange.
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[20:53] daynier: I've been looking into vm's error handling but its pretty limited
[20:53] torvalamo: is runInNewContext async?
[20:53] torvalamo: that would explain it
[20:53] daynier: hmm, good point.
[20:54] chrisdickinson: it's not.
[20:54] chrisdickinson: what version of node?
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[20:54] daynier: latest build
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[20:54] chrisdickinson: huh.
[20:55] chrisdickinson: i'm on 0.6.3, and the try/catch is catching the reference error in my repl.
[20:55] daynier: sorry, 0.4.9
[20:55] daynier: yeah, I'll upgrade.
[20:55] daynier: Let me try it on this box and see how it handles.
[20:56] chrisdickinson: daynier: even works on my copy of 0.4.11.
[20:56] daynier: Whats the latest working version on ubuntu?
[20:56] torvalamo: any version
[20:57] chilts: daynier: I have 0.6.7 running here
[20:57] chilts: 
ACTION uses nvm to upgrade pretty quickly

[20:57] daynier: guess I gotta tinker with apt-get
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[20:57] torvalamo: no
[20:57] chrisdickinson: also nave, also n.
[20:57] chrisdickinson: i wouldn't use apt-get, in this case.
[20:58] daynier: got a better idea?
[20:58] torvalamo: just download it and ./configure && make && make install
[20:58] chrisdickinson: daynier: use nave, n, or nvm.
[20:58] torvalamo: or tat
[20:58] torvalamo: that*
[20:58] daynier: yeah, I hate that process.
[20:58] daynier: oh well.
[20:58] chilts: daynier: yeah, use one of those - the packages aren't always up to date :)
[20:58] chrisdickinson: daynier: https://gist.github.com/579814
[20:58] daynier: explains a few things.
[20:58] chilts: also, with those tools you don't have to configure, make, make install etc
[20:58] daynier: while I've got your attention
[20:59] daynier: so vm doesn't run async?
[20:59] chrisdickinson: daynier: no, it's blocking.
[20:59] daynier: no wonder my benchmarking was way too high.
[20:59] torvalamo: even if the script has async in it? does it run its own event loop or what?
[20:59] chrisdickinson: (it's roughly equivalent to `eval` or `new Function`, except it potentially (if used with "inNewContext") sets up a whole new javascript context)
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[21:00] chrisdickinson: no, it all runs in your current event loop.
[21:00] daynier: yeah, it does
[21:00] daynier: wow
[21:00] daynier: damn, not good at all.
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[21:00] chrisdickinson: if you want it in it's own event loop, you would want to `fork` and run it in a new process.
[21:00] autarch: is there any sort of convention for writing docs for node libraries?
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[21:00] daynier: okay, so how could I pass along a request while still giving the script access?
[21:00] autarch: most of the stuff listed on npmjs.org seems to just have docs in the form of a README.md on github
[21:00] torvalamo: yeah i would prefer forking over sandbox
[21:00] autarch: which seems kind of sad
[21:01] chrisdickinson: torvalamo: i'd probably go fork + sandbox.
[21:01] chrisdickinson: that way you can restrict access to `require` and friends.
[21:01] torvalamo: not a bad idea
[21:01] chrisdickinson: also, for fun, you could pass it through `burrito` and disable certain constructs.
[21:01] chrisdickinson: (loops, calls, etc.)
[21:01] chilts: autarch: hey, another PerlMonger ... we're few and far between around here :)
[21:02] Aikar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aT8lJEgEuTk
[21:02] chilts: mostly Rubyists ... though I guess lots of other people
[21:02] autarch: chilts: I'm _so_ missing cpan
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[21:02] autarch: not just cpan the site, but the whole convention of "write docs in modules with POD", etc
[21:02] chilts: autarch: I'm pretty used to npm now ... though yeah, the quantity isn't quite there yet
[21:02] chrisdickinson: daynier: so, your goal is to run untrusted code in the vm sandbox that has access to the request object?
[21:02] chrisdickinson: (just to make sure we're on the same page.)
[21:02] autarch: it's not just quantity, npmjs.org is not even a fraction as useful as metacpan
[21:02] chilts: true ... I haven't quite figured out the convention yet either ... I mostly do README.md as you said above
[21:03] daynier: nah its trusted code
[21:03] torvalamo: you don't get to be on the same page! you don't have access to the book!
[21:03] chilts: there was a thread on the mailing list recently
[21:03] daynier: basically kicking apache aside
[21:03] autarch: README.md just doesn't seem sufficient for what I'm doing
[21:03] chrisdickinson: daynier: then why use the `vm` sandbox?
[21:03] autarch: I'm working on a port of Moose to JS, it needs more than one manual apge
[21:03] daynier: Saw it was easier on the lines of code
[21:03] daynier: Plus it worked out well
[21:03] chrisdickinson: 
ACTION is confused.

[21:04] daynier: var sandbox = {'response':response, 'config':config}
[21:04] daynier: allowed me to block access to the process.exit that would kill my server
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[21:04] torvalamo: so it's not trusted then
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[21:04] autarch: chilts: what was the thread title? do you know?
[21:04] chilts: autarch: I think many larger modules have their own sites (or github pages)
[21:04] chilts: autarch: was just looking for it ... not found it yet
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[21:05] autarch: fwiw, I'm not actually writing this for Node so much as for client-side stuff
[21:05] torvalamo: there's a module for that
[21:05] autarch: but I'd like to package it for npm since it's basically environment agnostic
[21:05] autarch: I imagine people writing server side code might find this useful
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[21:05] chrisdickinson: daynier: if you want to block access to it (which leads me to believe the code isn't really trusted), you could always just shim it -- `_exit = process.exit; process.exit = new Function;`,  -- so only your code can call process.exit.
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[21:06] torvalamo: but that can be exploited
[21:06] daynier: chrisdickinson: Totally new to the vm
[21:06] Aikar: you should def not run untrusted code in your main process. spin up a child to do it
[21:07] daynier: chrisdickinson: Normally I would have spawned a new process and ran the code, but I wanted to see what could be done.
[21:07] chilts: autarch: try this one 
[21:07] chilts:         var second;
[21:07] chilts: oopse
[21:07] chilts:         var second;
[21:07] Aikar: var chld = cp.fork('runner.js'). child.send({run: 'somecode'});
[21:07] chilts: heh
[21:07] autarch: pasting is hard
[21:07] chrisdickinson: +1 on what Aikar said.
[21:07] chilts: http://goo.gl/uIpjL
[21:07] chilts: :(
[21:07] Aikar: so if they kill that child, so what
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[21:08] daynier: chrisdickinson: I'm really just trying to reproduce my cms's structure in node.
[21:08] chrisdickinson: with the addition that `runner.js` would use `vm` to sandbox the code -- remove the ability to `require`, etc.
[21:08] chilts: autarch: one thing I like about npm is how easy it is to upload in comparison to CPAN
[21:08] Aikar: yea
[21:08] daynier: chrisdickinson: Its multisite
[21:08] autarch: chilts: yeah, that does seem better
[21:08] chilts: though I didn't really get into that as much as I have in this community
[21:08] torvalamo: daynier, you should still adapt to node's way of things.. don't port things directly... never a good idea
[21:08] autarch: but the actual module pages are not very useful
[21:09] daynier: Nah, now porting. Rewrite from scratch.
[21:09] daynier: Just keep the same concept of easy use
[21:09] chilts: some are nice
[21:09] autarch: without some sort of standard doc format there's not much the site can do, of course
[21:09] torvalamo: making child processes is cheap enough
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[21:15] chilts: deedubs: so you're all happy Google OAuth'ing now?
[21:15] chilts: are you using any other services for logging in?
[21:16] deedubs: twitter, github, google
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[21:17] chilts: snap ... and Tumblr too - think I'll try LinkedIn and Yahoo! too
[21:17] chilts: one thing I can't do is get email from Twitter ... do you know if you can do that?
[21:18] deedubs: chilts: no
[21:19] chilts: thanks ... glad someone else says the same thing since I thought I was missing something
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[21:20] chilts: deedubs: doesn't look like it can be done : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3599621/is-there-a-way-to-get-an-users-email-id-after-verifying-her-twitter-identity-us
[21:20] deedubs: yeah sorry that no was for if it was possible 
[21:21] chjj: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3448027
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[21:21] chjj: get your ruby out of my js!
[21:21] chjj: some ruby spilled right on my js
[21:23] chjj: js is getting expression blocks with harmony anyway, isnt it?
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[21:30] qbit_: will there be a "end" event when a WriteStream finishes writing a file with .write ? 
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[21:31] schakko: hello everybody!
[21:34] trose: what is a good module for creating a web service?
[21:35] schakko: I changed the dependencies for node-usb from libev to libuv and now I get the error "undefined symbol: ev_rt_now" - any ideas?
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[21:36] TheJH: trose, uhm, you'll need maaany of them for that
[21:36] TheJH: qbit_, pretty sure that there's no such end event
[21:37] TheJH: qbit_, however, have a look at the docs for the drain event
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[21:37] TheJH: qbit_, and the result of write
[21:37] trose: thejh okay, I mean I have an express server going. I'd like to add support for soap or restful
[21:37] trose: to create an api
[21:37] TheJH: trose, in that case, no idea :D
[21:38] qbit_: sweet - TheJH just tried drain.. seems to have worked
[21:38] qbit_: thanks :) 
[21:38] trose: thejh haha okay
[21:38] TheJH: qbit_, if writing succeeds directly, there might be no drain event!
[21:38] TheJH: qbit_, have a look at the docs for write()
[21:39] Shaunzie: trose: express is already restful O.o…. app.get, app.post, app.delete, app.put
[21:40] trose: Shaunzie, oops i just need soap
[21:41] Shaunzie: trose: why? O.o
[21:41] Shaunzie: trose: xml = annoying-fail-facepalm-shite ._.
[21:42] ryanrolds_w: jesusabdullah: I like the DF naming idea.
[21:42] ryanrolds_w: I'm going to get someone on that.
[21:43] trose: Shaunzie, what would you recommend? ajax? I'm kinda newb. My project lead wants to create an api hook so we can have a website + a desktop interface
[21:43] trose: i've just been researching options and found soap
[21:43] trose: I'm not really up on current trends
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[21:43] Shaunzie: nodejs = javascript :D. JSON is your friend :3
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[21:45] tristanpemble: trose: JSON + REST for sure
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[21:46] trose: tristanpemble, oh, okay
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[21:47] torvalamo: i also suggest angular.js
[21:47] torvalamo: for the client side
[21:47] tristanpemble: I did research on this a couple of months ago but I can't find any of the links I found useful
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[21:48] firebalrog: Just finished my app for checking people in at a health club when the internet is down. debian  fluxbox X chromium curl node.js express stylus jade forever = one bad ass kiosk checkin system that they can't play with like the windows boxes they currently use.
[21:48] torvalamo: i love it when simple beats complex
[21:49] firebalrog: ;)
[21:49] Shaunzie: firebalrog: grats
[21:49] Shaunzie: firebalrog: when you make lots of money, buy us beer O.o
[21:49] firebalrog: lol when they pay me enough I will buy myself a beer!
[21:50] Shaunzie: firebalrog: … you need a better job O.O
[21:50] firebalrog: yes....
[21:50] tristanpemble: I've fallen in love with Node + Redis
[21:51] firebalrog: Redis is what?
[21:51] TheJH: ugly
[21:51] tristanpemble: key-value store
[21:51] torvalamo: it's a glorified hash
[21:51] schakko: https://github.com/schakko/node-usb/issues/4 << any ideas?
[21:51] firebalrog: oh yea 
[21:51] Shaunzie: firebalrog: redis.io
[21:51] tristanpemble: redis is beautiful :(
[21:51] firebalrog: you didn't like mongodb? or couch
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[21:52] tristanpemble: redis is FAST
[21:52] Shaunzie: firebalrog: red is is kinda for a different purpose that mongodb or couch
[21:52] tristanpemble: I don't need persistence
[21:52] firebalrog: aw a little more like memcached
[21:52] Shaunzie: firebalrog: redis is like memcache on crack … 
[21:52] tristanpemble: yeah, memcached
[21:52] torvalamo: don't need persistance, just pertinance
[21:53] firebalrog: don't be pertinant
[21:53] jesusabdullah: ryanrolds_w: I did some light research, and you should be able to export the generated legends from "legends mode" as xml
[21:53] jesusabdullah: which of course you could scrape for awesome names
[21:53] firebalrog: lol
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[21:53] ryanrolds_w: I'm tempted to email toadyone and see if he will provide the code.
[21:53] torvalamo: are you still on server names?
[21:53] firebalrog: I could of used redis for my checkin app.
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[21:54] firebalrog: instead I just read the data into two arrays
[21:54] ryanrolds_w: If he does I will make a module for it and probably host a site that uses the module.
[21:55] firebalrog: which redis client did you use? node_redis?
[21:55] tristanpemble: yeah
[21:55] firebalrog: how much data are you using the redis for?
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[21:57] tristanpemble: I'm using it for a live chat system that's deployed for 10 or 11 companies
[21:58] tristanpemble: depending on the time of day there could be anywhere from none to 20 chats going at once
[21:58] firebalrog: is there a way to load it with values on launch?
[21:58] tristanpemble: there's persistence, it can write to disk every so many minutes or every N changes
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[21:58] firebalrog: how long does it hold the data
[21:59] tristanpemble: http://redis.io/topics/persistence
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[21:59] tristanpemble: there's a few different ways to do it
[21:59] tristanpemble: that'll go over the details
[21:59] firebalrog: Currently I download a csv file to the client computer and use fswatch to check for changes if the file changes I empty my arrays and reload them.
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[21:59] tristanpemble: :(
[21:59] firebalrog: memberid, name, balance, totalowed, status, towels,
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[22:00] firebalrog: pretty simple 
[22:00] tristanpemble: what happens if the file needs to be modified while it's being read?
[22:00] firebalrog: we also use a live internet connection and server but about 3 or 4 times a year at a club the power goes out
[22:01] firebalrog: they don't use it all the time. and each desktop is running the app.
[22:01] firebalrog: its for an Emergency check in for when the servers are not available at the corporate office
[22:01] zomg: Damn, now that someone mentioned the vm module and I found it can sandbox JS, I again want to code a virtual robot combat game where you program the robots yourself in JS
[22:01] zomg: =)
[22:01] firebalrog: corewars
[22:01] firebalrog: redwars
[22:02] zomg: I'm inventing a better wheel
[22:02] zomg: ;)
[22:02] jesusabdullah: zomg: Expose an api over irc for it
[22:02] jesusabdullah: and then write bots that play the game over irc
[22:02] zomg: Heh
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[22:02] firebalrog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-robocode/
[22:03] zomg: firebalrog: looks a lot like what I wrote in Java with Rhino as the robot AI scrpiting engine
[22:03] zomg: although mine was just red boxes in a basic window :P
[22:04] jesusabdullah: that would be awesome as an irc-based api
[22:04] firebalrog: I have spent many hours trying to beat some of the best robots written by mathmaticians
[22:04] zomg: it would be way cooler if it was in HTML5 tho!
[22:04] zomg: =)
[22:04] jesusabdullah: not to me
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[22:05] firebalrog: there is another site where you can download the robots and they used to have some ladder games
[22:05] jesusabdullah: A visualizer sure
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[22:05] zomg: jesusabdullah: yeah run the sim on server in node and push events to the visualization
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[22:05] jesusabdullah: but irc is just this really obvious pubsub platform that already has pseudo-conventions for how to expose APIs (ie, as bots)
[22:06] jesusabdullah: the idea of human-readable irc bots interacting with each other is really neat to me
[22:06] zomg: I suppose it could do something like allocate a timeslot which each bot could use to send messages to execute commands and get results from the sim or something..
[22:07] zomg: Ok I think I already put too much thought into that
[22:07] zomg: =)
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[22:08] jesusabdullah: a timeslot? No, just do it realtime
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[22:09] quackquack: how do I update to the latest version of npm?
[22:09] pkrumins: we just launched a new design at browserling! www.browserling.com
[22:09] SubStack: it's EVEN MORE CARTOONISH
[22:09] SubStack: but in a classier way I think
[22:10] fwg: omg
[22:10] fwg: awesome
[22:10] fwg: cute
[22:10] pkrumins: * works too
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[22:12] chjj: pkrumins: cool, is that live now?
[22:12] pkrumins: it is live now
[22:12] mmalecki: pkrumins: NOONE CARES IF IT WORKS
[22:13] chjj: i like the robots in the picture
[22:13] pkrumins: they are me and SubStack
[22:13] zomg: pkrumins: seems to fail in Opera. Perhaps put a warning about it or something
[22:13] pkrumins: >_>
[22:13] pkrumins: <_<
[22:13] chjj: i figured at least one was substack
[22:13] torvalamo: do they turn you on?
[22:13] pkrumins: yup, doesnt work in opera
[22:13] pkrumins: works in firefox, chrome and safari
[22:13] zomg: Although I don't see any reason why it *shouldn't* work in Opera ;)
[22:13] fwg: oh the irony :D
[22:14] torvalamo: that is ironic
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[22:14] chjj: not irony, it only has to work in one browser, thats the point ;)
[22:14] fwg: heh
[22:14] torvalamo: pff
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[22:14] torvalamo: if your customer is one browser
[22:14] cjno: does anyone know of a compression library for node that also works on windows?
[22:14] chjj: well if its targetting web devs, theyll be using the right browser
[22:14] chjj: (chrome)
[22:15] torvalamo: true
[22:15] TheJH: cjno, there's a core module for that :D
[22:15] zomg: I tried opening browserling.com in browserling
[22:15] zomg: It seems to have stuck
[22:15] zomg: :D
[22:15] tristanpemble: anyone know if Facebook is using Node.JS at all?
[22:15] cjno: TheJH: hah! I thought I'd seen something like that
[22:15] cjno: sorry
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[22:16] CIA-101: node: 03Maciej Małecki 07master * r4d49469 10/ lib/child_process.js : child_process: fix typo in internal message event name - http://git.io/Egl18Q
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[22:20] topaxi: tristanpemble: https://github.com/facebook/jsgamebench uses node, not sure if they use it anywhere else
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[22:21] tristanpemble: I'm looking for companies I can intern with where my experience with node would be useful
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[22:25] Raynos: What do other people do when they want to contribute to a project but its written in coffeescript?
[22:25] brainproxy: win -1
[22:26] brainproxy: derp
[22:26] tbranyen: Raynos: i don't
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[22:26] tbranyen: i wish i could
[22:26] Raynos: but I like the project (minus the coffeescript) :(
[22:26] tbranyen: was considering rewriting my nodegit project in coffeescript
[22:26] CIA-101: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07v0.6 * r290bc0c 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
[22:26] CIA-101: node: Use .jpg instead of .bmp for .msi
[22:26] CIA-101: node: smaller. - http://git.io/EHjFhg
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[22:28] pV: tbranyen: thanks for your backbone boilerplate. i've been waiting for a good one and this one seems very solid!
[22:28] tbranyen: pV: oh awesome np man
[22:29] Raynos: tbranyen: you use backbone with node?
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[22:31] tbranyen: Raynos: tbranyen.com is backbone and node yea
[22:31] Raynos: I meant backbone on the server, backbone is ok on the client
[22:32] tbranyen: Raynos: yeah my blog posts are models and i have a collection for all of them
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[22:33] Raynos: not open source?
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[22:35] gigafied: anybody familiar with nowjs: is there any way to check for something like now.isReady or do I always have to wrap everything inside a now.ready() invocation
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[22:38] Destos: So is it possible to use jitsu with your own servers?
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[22:41] geoKe: 4
[22:44] arturadib: say I'm writing a C++ addon, is there any way to ask Node to queue a callback to be executed when the flow returns to the event loop?
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[22:44] arturadib: (as opposed to executing the cb immediately via cb->Call()...)
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[22:46] bingomanatee_: aturadib: might not be what your are looking for but process.nextTick(cb) calls a function on the next event tick.
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[22:46] bingomanatee_: that's a node command. 
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[22:51] arturadib: bingomanatee_: yeah, looking for the C++ equivalent of that
[22:52] arturadib: ryah: any pointers to the above question?
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[22:56] EyePulp: my server.js has a process.on('unhandledException, function(err){…});    locally, when I intentionally throw an error, the handler works fine.  on my remote boxes, the handler starts to work (watching console messages to verify), but then I get a "Exception in cluster master process:" and the handler doesn't complete, and the whole process gets reloaded.  Using 0.6.6 locally and remotely, and this is a worker in a cluster.
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[22:58] EyePulp: The error handler is doing a e-mail send as part of the process, and that's async.  Could there be a timing issue at the production boxes that's killing the process before the mail sends?
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[23:03] kenperkins: anyone using statsd
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[23:10] Hotroot: Does anyone know the fedora dependencies for node? I always forget them =/
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[23:10] isaacs_limechat: this is weird
[23:10] Hotroot: I already installed gcc but I get "Checking for program g++ or c++          : not found" as one of the errors
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[23:12] swaj: Hotroot: try yum groupinstall "Development Tools" ?
[23:12] yawNO: Hotroot: gcc does not provide g++
[23:12] Lingerance: Hotroot: gcc and g++ are seperate packages
[23:12] yawNO: it's a separate pkg
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[23:12] yawNO: hi5 Lingerance \ó
[23:12] yawNO: lol
[23:12] Hotroot: Nvm, found it "tcsh scons gcc-c++ glibc-devel git openssl-devel"
[23:12] Hotroot: Ty
[23:12] yawNO: np
[23:13] Hotroot: Or not, my way didn't work
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[23:13] Hotroot: I'll try group
[23:14] theycallmeswift: is it safe to assume that in a node environment  Array.prototype.filter is defined?
[23:14] swaj: .. Array.prototype.filter
[23:14] catb0t:  [Function: filter]
[23:14] swaj: seems that way :P
[23:14] theycallmeswift: Yeah, I never thought about it until recently
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[23:15] AvianFlu: theycallmeswift, everything in ecma5 is in node
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[23:15] EyePulp: so if I'm intentionally throwing an error within a worker, in my local dev environment, when I capture/handle the unhandledException, it shows that I'm on the worker's pid.  but on our production box, same code is showing it's on the master process.
[23:15] theycallmeswift: I ran into a situation where someone was using the `some` function on objects but it wasn't defined
[23:15] theycallmeswift: so i figured the same could hold true for filter or forEach
[23:16] AvianFlu: filter and forEach are in the ecma5 spec, and therefore in node
[23:16] AvianFlu: whatever chrome does, node does, in that regard
[23:16] theycallmeswift: AvianFlu: awesome, thanks
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[23:16] AvianFlu: I highly recommend the MDN javascript docs for stuff like this
[23:17] zodiak: I would give my left nut for good list comprehensions in node :)
[23:17] swaj: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Array/filter
[23:17] swaj: zodiak: use underscore, good enough :)
[23:17] zodiak: swaj yes.. but.. it's then not async :(
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[23:18] isaacs_limechat: hm... limechat seems like it might be pretty close to what i want...
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[23:18] isaacs_lunch: take that.
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[23:18] zodiak: ouch. harsh ;)
[23:18] Raynos: zodiak: https://github.com/Raynos/after.js#after.forEach asynchronous underscore isn't hard to write, I never finished mine
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[23:19] isaacs_limechat: 
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[23:19] zodiak: Raynos, cool :D 
[23:19] jesusabdullah: list comprehensions are also not necessarily async yanno
[23:19] zodiak: I guess I am jst holding out js 1.7 in node.js :)
[23:19] zodiak: that syntax is much nicer (imho)
[23:20] jesusabdullah: sometimes
[23:20] jesusabdullah: but I'll be honest, I haven't really missed list comprehensions having come to node from python
[23:20] zodiak: jesusabdullah, if someone calls a non-pure function in a list comprehension.. well. ;)
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[23:20] Raynos: zodiak what "js 1.7" things are you talking about?
[23:21] AvianFlu: aren't we on js 1.8 already?
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[23:21] zodiak: Raynos, https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Guide/Predefined_Core_Objects#Array_comprehensions
[23:21] jesusabdullah: Raynos: [ x*y for x in 1..10 for y in 1..10 ] stuff like that
[23:21] zodiak: yes, it's mozilla's version of 1.7 .. I guess
[23:21] Raynos: I means whats the es:harmony equivelant
[23:21] jesusabdullah: something like that
[23:21] Raynos: and personally I say "ew ew ew ew"
[23:21] Raynos: http://wiki.ecmascript.org/doku.php?id=harmony:array_comprehensions
[23:22] jesusabdullah: lcomps are neat but not an always food
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[23:23] Shaunzie: jesusabdullah: hungry? o.o
[23:23] chapel: Raynos: check out nimble.js for some async underscore stuff
[23:23] jesusabdullah: Shaunzie: Actually, yeah
[23:23] Shaunzie: go noms! :D
[23:23] jesusabdullah: but that's neither here nor there
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[23:26] kenperkins: so statsD both tx and rx over UDP, is that correct?
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[23:28] Raynos: chapel: nimple is ok, it misses the context parameter though which is important
[23:28] Raynos: I also dont like the fact it offers series / parallel / sync versions. You just dont need those
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[23:31] torvalamo: i like comprehensions
[23:31] torvalamo: but then again i used to do python
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[23:33] mightym: hey guys, its my first time using node.js and cradle + couchdb. does someone have experience with cradle?
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[23:33] kenperkins: how would I get for example cpu utliization with node
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[23:34] arturadib: kenperkins: top?
[23:34] kenperkins: I mean with an API
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[23:35] jerrysv: mightym: mmalecki might if he's around
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[23:36] mightym: jerrysv: thx a lot, ill check :)
[23:37] EyePulp: argh - I have exception handling on my master process, but the process seems to get killed and restarted despite that.  I still get "Exception in cluster master process:"  and then a process restart.
[23:38] EyePulp: do I need to move my exception handling into the cluster code invocation?
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[23:39] djMax: Is there an Oracle driver that doesn't use native stuff?
[23:39] djMax: or works on OS X?
[23:39] `3rdEden: random question: can you compile jade files, and have the generate function / compiler stored in a script file so it can be re-used on the client side?
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[23:42] munro: `3rdEden: check out browserify
[23:42] munro: `3rdEden: https://github.com/edmellum/browserijade <-- this may be what you're looking for
[23:42] `3rdEden: munro that introduces to much bloat
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[23:42] munro: lol
[23:42] `3rdEden: I only want the compiled javascript function
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[23:42] `3rdEden: I don't need to compile it client side
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[23:43] `3rdEden: browserjadify might work
[23:43] munro: `3rdEden: browserify or browserijade?
[23:43] `3rdEden: browserify adds to much bloat for this project
[23:43] munro: I wasn't saying to browserify jade
[23:43] `3rdEden: oh
[23:44] SubStack: browserify barely adds anything to the bundle
[23:44] `3rdEden: my bad munro <3!
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[23:44] `3rdEden: SubStack: I know, but If I'm not using the require stuff that browserify is generating
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[23:44] `3rdEden: it find it rather wasteful
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[23:45] munro: `3rdEden: but it provides you hooks for doing var my_template = require('my_jade_template');
[23:45] `3rdEden: it seems the only thing you need to do is; jade.compile(template, { client:true }).toString()
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[23:48] djMax: npm seems to be deleting files on a failed install, any way to keep them?
[23:48] munro: SubStack: does browserify do caching yet? :D
[23:48] isaacs: djMax: npm install blah blah --no-rollback
[23:48] djMax: thx
[23:48] SubStack: munro: yes
[23:48] munro: :O
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[23:49] munro: jquery-browserify made me cry
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[23:51] jocafa: jquery makes me cry
[23:51] jocafa: ¬¬
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[23:51] mc: wee, my json datastore is reasonably fast
[23:51] mc: finally
[23:52] mc: can write and flush a million small objects in just over 4 seconds
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[23:55] SteveDekorte: mc: what is the store?
[23:56] mc: just a simple file
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[23:56] mc: json.stringify items, newline seperated
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[23:57] chjj: flat files for the win
[23:57] mc: it's nothing overly special, but it's useful for lazy times
[23:58] markq: i wish TJ would have finished the mastering node ebook
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[23:58] markq: really great
[23:58] chjj: using files as a data store is underrated, if you dont need to build google, they can be useful
[23:59] mc: right
[23:59] mc: i made it for a blog
[23:59] mc: my own, personal blog
[23:59] mc: that has very little traffic
[23:59] mc: and even less content
[23:59] mc: i don't need mysql for that
[23:59] djMax: so node-db-oracle isn't working on os x. It's probably a lost cause, but I'm digging a little. Is there a pointer to how native binding typically work?