[00:00] mgolawala: Cheery: There is calipso. It's a CMS work in progress based on express. Haven't played around with it myself.
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[00:02] maxogden: with npm how do i show the filesystem location of a particular module? also is there a way to cat out the entire `npm help` corpus?
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[00:03] zomg: Forgot what was the nice async flow control lib for node and wrote one from scratch in 30 ish lines :P
[00:03] zomg: How hard can it be!
[00:03] zomg: Seems to work.. so far
[00:03] zomg: =)
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[00:06] chilts: maxogden: you can do 'npm ls' to show what you have installed in node_modules
[00:06] chilts: maxogden: not sure about your 2nd request though :)
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[00:08] maxogden: chilts: i think i have a node_modules in my folder hierarchy that require() is hitting but i can figure out how to print out what directory npm is actually grabbing packages from on a per-package basis
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[00:10] maxogden: chilts: npm ls thinks i have an unmet dependency but in reality there is a node_modules folder providing the missing module that is above my current working directory
[00:10] isaacs: maxogden: npm ls doens't know what's above the current package.
[00:10] isaacs: maxogden: it's a bit dumb about that
[00:11] maxogden: isaacs: i figured, but how can i use the smart codez in npm
[00:11] isaacs: maxogden: cd ..
[00:11] isaacs: maxogden: do that until it works ;P
[00:12] chilts: oh cool, I just found 'require.cache' ... that's pretty cool to show you what's been loaded and where from
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[00:12] isaacs: or require.resolve
[00:13] Cheery: hm. someone has reimplemented etherpad in node.js
[00:13] maxogden: OH
[00:13] chilts: oh sweet, I keep learning even when trying to help someone else ... thanks isaacs :)
[00:13] maxogden: require.resolve('packagename') is what i wanted
[00:13] Cheery: I think I'll try use it for my benefit. .)
[00:13] chilts: Cheery: have you got a link for that?
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[00:14] Cheery: chilts: https://github.com/Pita/etherpad-lite
[00:14] isaacs: maxogden: beware, that'll throw if it can't find it
[00:14] chilts: thanks :)
[00:14] isaacs: maxogden: it's exactly like doing require()
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[00:14] maxogden: isaacs: i just needed somethin for debugging
[00:14] Cheery: chilts: I'll see what they have done and what I need to do in order to integrate it easily into something neat.
[00:14] maxogden: "where the bloody 'ell are you getting that module from"
[00:15] maxogden: require.resolve('mysterymodule')
[00:15] maxogden: "oh"
[00:15] maxogden: 
ACTION recursive curses

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[00:17] zomg: https://gist.github.com/1576557 I hope I didn't make an exact copy of some other lib's parallel function :P
[00:21] chilts: zomg: there is similar functionality in a number of other libraries
[00:21] chilts: depends whether you like yours more than others :)
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[00:21] Cheery: it'd be sort of cool to wire etherpad in such a way that it lets you write modules into your CMS from the webpage. :)
[00:21] chilts: I'd probably go with another library which has already been well used and well tested 
[00:22] zomg: Yeah
[00:22] Cheery: just poor for security though..
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[00:24] chilts: zomg: e.g. npm show async # https://github.com/caolan/async
[00:24] chilts: their function is also called 'parallel'
[00:24] chilts: there are others too :)
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[00:27] zomg: chilts: yeah that is a bit similar but mine handles err/ok results better in my opinion ;)
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[00:27] zomg: since you get the results as separate args you can assign them into vars in a much nicer fashion
[00:27] zomg: but yeah one likes mom the other likes dad
[00:27] zomg: or whatever the saying was
[00:27] zomg: :D
[00:27] chilts: heh
[00:28] chilts: 
ACTION has never heard that one before

[00:28] chilts: I guess that's like Tomato/Tomaato
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[00:47] disappe__: any examples how to use ndoejs timeout to execute a function after it's done? 
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[00:49] Aria: like setTimeout(function() { do something }, 10) ?
[00:50] tbranyen: execute function after its done? wat you mean recursion?
[00:51] disappe__: letme give you a more concrete example: https://gist.github.com/2ac474a72054aef448a7 So as you can see, the while loop inside play relies on voteOnce setting currentVote of each user. I dun want to write spaghetti code. What's a clean way to have votesTied being blocked by voteOnce ?
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[00:53] disappe__: Aria: tbranyen: yeah the link's for you guys 
[00:54] Aria: Make an event emitter out of the whole pile, and couple just based on that.
[00:54] Aria: yourgame.on('turnend', function() {do stuff ...})
[00:54] Aria: And when the thing that decides a turn is done runs, have it run yourgame.emit('turndone')
[00:54] disappe__: Ah I see 
[00:55] Aria: That's what I'd do, anyway. There's many ways to do it, but that seems like the right amount of coupling.
[00:55] disappe__: so basically I can think of my app as the following (user voting) => (decide the winner etc) => (user voting) ... 
[00:56] disappe__: so I should structure my app in such a way that when user is done voting, votingDone is emitted, and then decide the winner will emit turnDone 
[00:56] innociv: node.js doesn't have any built in framework things, does it?  Like an array.remove() sort of function instead of having to slice it and such.
[00:56] disappe__: and it just keep looping in this sense without blokcing nodejs
[00:56] disappe__: innociv: use underscore.js
[00:57] chilts: innociv: well, JS has Array.push() and Array.pop(), but yeah, probably not from the middle of the array :)
[00:57] innociv: ... I google for it and sugar.js comes up, saying it's like underscore.js
[00:57] Shaunzie: ooo the underscore.js website got a facelift O.o
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[00:58] innociv: I'm having trouble finding the website. I found the github
[00:58] innociv: http://documentcloud.github.com/underscore/
[00:58] Cheery: this stuff about how etherpad works..
[00:58] Cheery: it's so simple
[00:58] tbranyen: innociv: underscorejs.org
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[00:59] Cheery: I'm about only missing which algorithm it is using as a diff. but apparently it is javascript because it works on my browser.
[00:59] innociv: is it on the npm?
[00:59] tbranyen: tias
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[01:01] mightym: hey guys, its my first time playing around with node js and wonder which is a common way to deploy node.js … if id build a php project i would use apache and route virtual host for domain xy to my project folder. how should i route a domain to my node app? via apache?
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[01:05] mansoor: anyone know what port websockets servers use?
[01:05] innociv: What ever you set it to.
[01:05] cmr: mightym: You'd use a reverse proxy like nginx
[01:05] Aria: mansoor: 80 and 443 usually
[01:06] Aria: disappe__: That makes sense!
[01:06] innociv: Yeah looks like 1.2.4 was on it.
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[01:06] cmr: mansoor: (or mod_proxy)
[01:06] innociv: Erm. So. Do I include it? Or just call on _.function()?
[01:07] mansoor: cmr: wrong person :p
[01:07] cmr: mansoor: d'oh, sorry
[01:07] cmr: Usually I notice..
[01:07] mightym: cmr: and apache parodying doesn't make sense right?
[01:07] cmr: mightym: (or mod_proxy)
[01:07] mightym: cmr: proxying 
[01:07] mightym: cmr: ah ok
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[01:08] cmr: mightym: makes perfect sense, but if you are running apache /just/ for the proxy, it makes sense to use something lighter like nginx
[01:08] mansoor: :( feel dumb now, was confused how there can be http and websockets server listening ont he same port :p  completely forgot they are both tcp
[01:09] mightym: cmr: and should i also use nginx for serving static files or node?
[01:10] mansoor: mightym: either will work, but nginx is more efficient
[01:10] chilts: you could decide that depending on how your application is set up
[01:10] chilts: but yeah, up to you :)
[01:11] chilts: most of my static stuff is served by Amazon CloudFront, so neither node or nginx
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[01:13] joshsmith: is there any way to globally have access to express' req obj in any jade template regardless of whether you pass it in?
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[01:16] joshsmith: nevermind, I found it
[01:16] joshsmith: dynamic helper
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[01:22] disappe__: Hey nodejs events emitter's events are global right
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[01:22] cmr: disappe__: what do you mean?
[01:23] stride: disappe__: no, they belong to the object that emits them
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[01:24] disappe__: well I mean look at this example: http://twoism.posterous.com/emitting-events-with-nodejs 
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[01:25] disappe__: If I have two counters, wouldn't counter.on be receiving both? 
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[01:26] stride: nope, new Counter creates a separate instance which has its own list of callbacks that have been passed to on('foo', ...
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[01:28] disappe__: OH 
[01:28] disappe__: I get it now 
[01:28] disappe__: nice 
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[01:34] tbranyen: isaacs: trying out the whole checking in node_modules to a repo dealio
[01:34] tbranyen: how can i gitignore this build/node_modules/grunt/node_modules/zlib.sync/build/
[01:35] tbranyen: i tried /build/node_modules/**/build
[01:35] tbranyen: no go :0-/
[01:35] tbranyen: node_modules/**/build didn't seem to work either
[01:35] tbranyen: frustrating :-/
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[01:36] jhbot: 'How to ignore URL with Node to use Backbone router without #?' by Wojciech Bednarski http://stackoverflow.com/q/8774682 (tags: regex)
[01:36] tbranyen: heh putting that entire string in works tho...
[01:37] tbranyen: ah looks shell related
[01:37] tbranyen: which mine handles, god damnit
[01:38] innociv: Using underscore.js do I have to do array = _without(array, "foo");
[01:38] innociv: to remove osemthing? Looks like it
[01:39] tbranyen: innociv: the underscore docs are really good, also there is a #documentcloud channel if you have specific questions
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[01:58] Shaunzie: Does anyone else hate reading RFCs? ._.
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[02:11] innociv: RFCs?
[02:12] cmr: innociv: Request For Comment, usually the ones the IETF puts out (http://www.ietf.org/rfc.html)
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[02:18] disappe__: I need a good convention to indicate a function is a eventListener callback in an object vs others that are just helpers 
[02:18] disappe__: Any ideas? I could use underscore but then underscore is more like private methods though
[02:18] cmr: disappe__: could you give an example of each?
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[02:19] cmr: disappe__: like the difference between fs.readFile and a sort function?
[02:19] disappe__: Like this is for engine.on('VOTE_START', engine.voteStart);
[02:19] disappe__: and then there is also engine.prototype.getAliveUsers
[02:19] cmr: disappe__: Why are you using caps and underscores instead of 'vote start'?
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[02:20] disappe__: Because CAP is for enums and constants, which you cannot do camelcase
[02:20] disappe__: it's just java convention
[02:20] cmr: It's not a constant or an enum, it's a string.
[02:20] disappe__: same thing
[02:21] cmr: I'd use engine.onVoteStart if you really want something to differentiate.
[02:21] disappe__: nice 
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[02:25] cainus: any mocha users?  does anyone know why I get global leak errors for modules that export objects?
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[02:29] pV: what's the best way to get an external JSON file and then output it to a templating system
[02:29] tbranyen: pV: ajax... ?
[02:30] tbranyen: $.get("/somejson.json", function(obj) { template(obj); })
[02:30] tbranyen: oh wait this is node
[02:30] tbranyen: >_>
[02:30] pV: ;)
[02:30] cmr: isaacs: does that pull request meet your requirements? (Sorry for the crappy one earlier, I was really short on time and just wanted to get something pushed)
[02:30] Shaunzie: var fs = require('fs');
[02:30] Shaunzie: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.6.6/api/fs.html
[02:31] tbranyen: fs.readFile("/somejson.json", function(err, contents) { var obj = JSON.parse(contents.toString()); template(obj); });
[02:31] tbranyen: wheeeeee
[02:31] pV: awesome! thanks tbranyen
[02:33] disappe__: Is there a difference between process.EventEmitter();  and event.EventEmitter? 
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[02:37] Shaunzie: disappe__: I'd assume process.EventEmitter is an instance of event.EventEmitter
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[02:39] Shaunzie: disappe__: or maybe not…. 
[02:39] Shaunzie: > process.EventEmitter instanceof event.EventEmitter
[02:39] Shaunzie: false
[02:39] Shaunzie: > process instanceof event.EventEmitter
[02:39] Shaunzie: true
[02:39] disappe__: what does that tell you 
[02:40] dougneiner: I am having trouble installing the sqlite3 module on OS X – is this the right place to seek help?
[02:40] Shaunzie: disappe__: that process is an instance of event.EventEmitter but process.EventEmitter is not an instance of event.EventEmitter
[02:41] Shaunzie: dougneiner: the sqlite3 module for nodejs? If so yes
[02:41] disappe__: Well thanks. Like does it mean I can use them interchangably if the syntax works out? 
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[02:42] dougneiner: Shaunzie: yes, for nodejs
[02:42] dougneiner: I originally tried with 0.6.6, then tried 0.6.4 – reinstalled node twice, reinstalled npm – I even tried building it on its own, but no dice
[02:43] Shaunzie: disappe__: process.EventEmitter isn't in the docs, which is a red flag for me. If you need to do eventy stuff, I'd use the event module directly.
[02:43] Shaunzie: dougneiner: any errors?
[02:43] dougneiner: Yes, let me paste them into a gist – just the console output?
[02:43] dougneiner: sorry, I mean - what is helpful to show you, just the console output?
[02:44] Shaunzie: dougneiner: I assume the console output is a stack trace? if so gist it
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[02:45] dougneiner: Here is the console output from running 'npm install sqlite3' : https://gist.github.com/cbf40e2c49c47a4a8ca7
[02:45] dougneiner: The configure stage goes fine, but it errors during the build
[02:46] dougneiner: if I clone and build it separately from NPM, the ./configure works but it breaks on 'make'
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[02:46] dougneiner: I really appreciate you looking at this – even just pointing me in the right direction is fine
[02:47] dougneiner: Every time I search the error, its from people trying to install on Windows – but i am installing on a Mac :/
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[02:50] RLa: dougneiner, looks like it cannot find node headers
[02:50] dougneiner: so its a path issue?
[02:50] Shaunzie: dougneiner: did you install it using npm? 
[02:50] dougneiner: Shaunzie: yes, 'npm install sqlite3'
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[02:51] dougneiner: but it does the same thing when I build it from source
[02:51] Shaunzie: dougneiner: hm. just tried it myself and it seems to build ok
[02:51] dougneiner: ok - so its something I have wrong on my system then…
[02:51] RLa: damn gist, is truncating lines
[02:53] Shaunzie: dougneiner: can you gist your /Users/doug/npm-debug.log file?
[02:53] dougneiner: sure
[02:53] RLa: i'm not seeing includes on the last gcc command that produces error
[02:53] dougneiner: https://gist.github.com/45c58538b90a75ed9370
[02:53] RLa: so how it gets node headers at all?
[02:54] dougneiner: RLa - earlier tonight, when it said "Node node found" I exported the path, and got that error to go away - but the other error was still there
[02:56] pV: fs.readFile("http://api.phish.net/api.js?", function(err, contents) { ...
[02:56] pV: contents is undefined
[02:56] RLa: also, wth are [2/4] cxx: src/database.cc -> build/default/src/database_1.o lines in previous paste
[02:56] pV: error says no file exists
[02:57] pV: is it because it thinks its local?
[02:57] RLa: does readFile support remote files at all?
[02:57] cmr: Nope.
[02:57] pV: I'm not sure :\
[02:57] RLa: i really hate when build tools hide gcc arguments
[02:57] cmr: pV: You want http.get
[02:57] pV: thanks cmr
[02:58] dougneiner: RLa - I can run a ./configure and a make and get you different output
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[02:58] dougneiner: would that help?
[02:58] RLa: maybe
[02:58] dougneiner: ok, let me try that
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[03:01] ben_alman: anyone here have much success with fs.watch? I can't seem to get it to fire a change event on OSX
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[03:03] dougneiner: RLa: https://gist.github.com/23bbf09af44a1c93804b
[03:03] dougneiner: hey ben_alman - fancy meeting you here :)
[03:03] ben_alman: heya dougneiner
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[03:05] RLa: it's the same error, there is no uv_async_t and others
[03:05] dougneiner: right
[03:05] RLa: i think these should come from node headers
[03:05] dougneiner: RLa - ok
[03:05] dougneiner: is that a path declaration issue then?
[03:05] RLa: if there possibility of waf-node being more verbose and showing gcc arguments
[03:06] RLa: it could be include path issues (-Isomething argument missing or wrong)
[03:06] dougneiner: ok
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[03:07] RLa: hm, there is verbosity level -vvv
[03:07] RLa: add that and also --nocache
[03:08] Shaunzie: dougneiner: how did you install node?
[03:09] Shaunzie: dougneiner: did you install from source?
[03:09] dougneiner: I think I have installed a few different ways so far – probably adding to the issue.
[03:09] dougneiner: I think over the last year, i have installed from source, from brew, and lastly using nave
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[03:09] dougneiner: But the from source might have been on a previous system
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[03:10] Shaunzie: dougneiner: what's your $PATH and $NODE_PATH?
[03:10] dougneiner: I had it setup, but then uncommented for the latest round of trying things
[03:10] dougneiner: one second
[03:11] dougneiner: Shaunzie: https://gist.github.com/6b7dbad0b29dc4d78461
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[03:12] Shaunzie: dougneiner: can you try removing :/Users/doug/local/lib/node_modules:/Users/doug/node_modules/: from $NODE_PATH?
[03:13] dougneiner: sure
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[03:15] Shaunzie: dougneiner: what's the path to the node src on your machine by the by?
[03:15] dougneiner: Shaunzie: The last time I built, it was from nave
[03:15] dougneiner: let me look up how to find the source
[03:17] dougneiner: ah, ok /Users/doug/.nave/src/0.6.4
[03:17] dougneiner: I also tried this on 0.6.6 and it fails the same way
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[03:21] Shaunzie: dougneiner: Ok I'm guessing the problem is that /Users/doug/.nave/src/0.6.4 isn't in your path. Try appending that to your path variable and try making it again
[03:21] dougneiner: ok
[03:21] dougneiner: $PATH or $NODE_PATH
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[03:21] Shaunzie: $PATH
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[03:26] dougneiner: same error
[03:26] Shaunzie: dougneiner: use <name> <ver>   
[03:26] Shaunzie: dougneiner: wait what version are you using?
[03:27] Shaunzie: dougneiner: node --version
[03:27] dougneiner: v0.6.4
[03:27] dougneiner: I had 0.6.6 installed earlier
[03:27] dougneiner: and it was doing the same thing
[03:28] dougneiner: How do you recommend installing node?
[03:28] dougneiner: I can start over if you think that would help
[03:28] Shaunzie: dougneiner: that might help actually. I personally use brew
[03:28] dougneiner: ok
[03:29] dougneiner: any tips for getting my system back to a  "clean" starting point?
[03:29] Shaunzie: dougneiner: http://mxcl.github.com/homebrew/
[03:29] dougneiner: yes, I have brew installed
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[03:29] Shaunzie: dougneiner: nave uninstall <version> I guess
[03:30] dougneiner: ok
[03:30] Shaunzie: https://github.com/isaacs/nave
[03:31] Shaunzie: Once that's done, I'd suggesting removing your $NODE_PATH 
[03:31] dougneiner: removed from .bashrc and .bash_profile - is it anywhere else?
[03:32] Shaunzie: don't think so but you can check after it's removed.
[03:32] Shaunzie: echo $NODE_PATH
[03:34] dougneiner: ok
[03:34] dougneiner: brew is installing node
[03:34] dougneiner: 0.6.6
[03:36] Shaunzie: dougneiner: ok try installing sqlite3 again
[03:36] Shaunzie: Checking for node prefix                 : not found
[03:36] dougneiner: SHould I follow both steps from homebrew? 
[03:36] dougneiner: Homebrew has NOT installed npm. We recommend the following method of
[03:36] dougneiner: installation:
[03:36] dougneiner:   curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sh
[03:36] dougneiner: After installing, add the following path to your NODE_PATH environment
[03:36] dougneiner: variable to have npm libraries picked up:
[03:36] dougneiner:   /usr/local/lib/node_modules
[03:36] dougneiner: ahhh- should have put in a gist, sorry
[03:36] Shaunzie: dougneiner: do you already have npm installed?
[03:37] Shaunzie: dougneiner: which npm
[03:37] tbranyen: iirc there is a brew command to have it install npm as well
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[03:37] dougneiner: npm -v
[03:37] dougneiner: 1.1.0-beta-10
[03:37] dougneiner: tbranyen: ah, ok - wasn't aware of that
[03:37] dougneiner: Shaunzie: it was installed from before
[03:37] isaacs: homebrew should just download the pkg and run it
[03:38] isaacs: cuz seriously.  how could it be any easier to install node on osx than a pkg that Just Works?
[03:38] benvie: so is node master supposed to compile on windows? Because it hasn't for me for a while
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[03:38] dougneiner: it says there is no formula for npm – and suggest you use the one-liner to install
[03:38] benvie: or if it does, it doesn't run
[03:38] tbranyen: isaacs: i <3 the pkg
[03:39] tbranyen: dougneiner: right, but npm is baked into node now brew just has a default flag to not install it
[03:39] isaacs: dougneiner: yeah
[03:39] tbranyen: there is probably a flag you use when installing node that reenables it
[03:39] dougneiner: ah, ok
[03:39] tbranyen: brew install node --with-npm or something
[03:39] tbranyen: just guessing
[03:40] Shaunzie: dougneiner: curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sh
[03:40] dougneiner: done
[03:40] tbranyen: hrm not seeing it in the formula
[03:40] dougneiner: do I put NODE_PATH into .bashrc or .bash_profile – or both
[03:41] RLa: .bashrc
[03:41] dougneiner: like this? export NODE_PATH=/usr/local/lib/node_modules:$PATH
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[03:41] Shaunzie: dougneiner: no just try installing sqlite3
[03:42] RLa: that looks fine
[03:42] Shaunzie: dougneiner: Checking for node prefix                 : ok /usr/local/Cellar/node/0.6.6 
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[03:42] dougneiner: Shaunzie: Checking for node prefix                 : ok /Users/doug/local 
[03:42] dougneiner: Checking for node path                   : not found 
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[03:43] dougneiner: should I add /usr/local/Cellar/node/0.6.6 to my PATH ?
[03:46] Shaunzie: dougneiner: that's just where the 0.6.6 files are installed on my machine. 
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[03:46] dougneiner: same on mine
[03:46] Shaunzie: dougneiner: sqlite3 not install?
[03:46] dougneiner: sorry, no – forgot to say that :(
[03:46] dougneiner: same error
[03:46] dougneiner: Checking for node path                   : not found 
[03:46] dougneiner: Checking for node prefix                 : ok /Users/doug/local 
[03:47] Shaunzie: hm… prefix path should be /Users/doug/local
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[03:48] dougneiner: I'll just leave a bug report on apple's website: Y U NO LIKE SQLITE3
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[03:51] dougneiner: Shaunzie: what do you get when your run this: node-waf --version
[03:51] Shaunzie: waf 1.5.16 (7610:7647M)
[03:51] dougneiner: same here
[03:51] dougneiner: ok
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[03:54] bob_dole: Bob Dole approves Node.js!
[03:55] Shaunzie: bob_dole:  Bob Dole is a smart man O.o
[03:56] cmr: 
ACTION wonders who Bob Dole is

[03:56] bob_dole: republican nomonee against Bill Player Clinton 
[03:56] Shaunzie: cmr: WWBD = Who Was Bob Dole?
[03:56] Aria: The pineapple guy.
[03:56] bob_dole: :p
[03:56] bob_dole: Bob dole hates apple though 
[03:56] jhbot: 'Synchronous Requests in Node.js' by Kyle Hotchkiss http://stackoverflow.com/q/8775262 (tags: javascript)
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[04:01] dougneiner: ok guys, thanks for your help tonight
[04:01] dougneiner: If I find out what it is, I'll let you know
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[04:03] warz: hm. npm install bcrypt is failing for me. looks like im missing something that the compile process needs.
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[04:09] warz: make error about too few arguments? hm. http://dpaste.com/683718/plain/
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[04:20] dougneiner: I must have had path issues from an earlier install. Completely deleting all node related things and installing fixed it. A friend helped me install it via nvm
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[04:20] dougneiner: Shaunzie and RLa -- I can't thank you enough for the time you spent tonight
[04:21] dougneiner: I truly appreciate it in a really big way
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[04:21] RLa: well, i did nothing
[04:22] dougneiner: Well, you looked at my logs and tried to offer advice!
[04:22] dougneiner: that is something!
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[04:23] Shaunzie: dougneiner: no need for thanks glad you got everything worked out :)
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[04:34] outaTiME: Cooool!!
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[04:35] warz: ah, it looks like its an incompatibility with libuv, perhaps
[04:36] jhbot: 'What is a good method to determine a memory leak in node.js?' by Zugwalt http://stackoverflow.com/q/8775410 (tags: memory, profiler)
[04:36] warz: did node use libeio pre-0.7? im too new to know.
[04:36] warz: or even good enough to know what those libs do, but im thinking about diving into trying to supply to patch for the bcrypt lib, heh
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[04:50] andrew12: I wonder if anyone has done anything with steam server list stuffs in node.js
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[05:09] vjsingh: Hey guys, I'm getting some weird errors with fs, can anyone help me?
[05:09] cmr: vjsingh: sure, gist them up
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[05:10] vjsingh: Its pretty simple actually, the devils in the details. I'm using fs.rename() on my amazon ec2 instance, and it works fine. However, if I try and move a file to a mounted device (elastic block storage), I get this
[05:10] vjsingh: errno: -1,   code: 'UNKNOWN', 
[05:11] vjsingh: error { [Error: UNKNOWN, unknown error '/home/ubuntu/tmp/transcriptions/asdf.pdf'] 
[05:11] vjsingh: moving to the filesystem works fine from the command line
[05:11] cmr: That's /really/ strange
[05:11] Aria: Move across filesystems?
[05:11] vjsingh: yuuuup
[05:11] vjsingh: yeah
[05:12] Aria: With what function? 
[05:12] Aria: fs doesn't have move()
[05:12] vjsingh: I tried debugging myself but it all just goes through process.bding, which I guess is a C++ link?
[05:12] vjsingh: fs.rename
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[05:12] Aria: rename renames files not moves them.
[05:12] vjsingh: well
[05:12] vjsingh: that makes sense
[05:12] Aria: ("moving" within a file system is changing names. Moving across filesystems is opening a new file, copying data, then deleting the original.)
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[05:13] Aria: (Entirely different tasks.)
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[05:13] vjsingh: right, makes sense now
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[05:13] vjsingh: k I'll have formidable upload to my other filesystem, hopefully that will work
[05:13] vjsingh: thanks!
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[05:13] vjsingh: I hadn't thought of it as another filesystem until you asked
[05:14] Aria: Sure thing!
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[05:15] cmr: Why is the error so non-descriptive?
[05:15] jhbot: 'file_get_contents() equivalent for Node.JS' by Kyle Hotchkiss http://stackoverflow.com/q/8775549 (tags: curl, file-get-contents)
[05:15] Aria: Now THAt is a bug.
[05:15] cmr: Shouldn't the errno be EXDEV?
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[05:15] Aria: It should.
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[05:18] cmr: Aria: are you checking/filing an issue or shall I?
[05:20] Aria: Go for it.
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[05:27] perezd: anyone using Doozer with nodejs?
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[05:31] joshsmith: node-validator's .isEmail() is not validating emails correctly
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[05:34] goddyzhao: hi
[05:34] Aria: What does it do instead?
[05:35] goddyzhao: ？
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[05:35] goddyzhao: I didn't got the context
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[05:36] goddyzhao: Any ideas about the node v0.6.7
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[06:16] mape: has anyone poked around with the zeromq module and gotten "Caught exception: Error: libzmq.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" on debian?
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[06:18] cmr: mape: how did you install it?
[06:18] mape: npm install zeromq
[06:18] mape: no errors
[06:18] cmr: Hmmm, I wonder how that handles dynamic linking..
[06:19] mape: worked fine on osx after installing zeromq using brew
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[06:20] mape: hmm running ldconfig seems to fix it
[06:21] warz: just trying to grok libuv, but libuv sounds like it was written to encapsulate libeio, and whatever windows requires. does libuv still use libeio for nix and maintain a similar api?
[06:21] warz: im looking into an incompatibility for eio_custom method.
[06:21] warz: looks like it added a parameter in the change to libuv.
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[07:06] vjsingh: Anyone know how to serve binary data inline? I get how to do it by setting the header (like res.writeHead(200, {'Content-Type': 'image/gif' });) but how do I do that inline?
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[07:08] Shaunzie: vjsingh: what do you mean by inline?
[07:09] vjsingh: as in not the entier response
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[07:09] vjsingh: so if I got a request for an image, I got simply write back the entire image with a header saying image, but how do I just put an image on the page?
[07:09] vjsingh: if its not a static file and I'm loading it in with fs
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[07:10] vjsingh: with a binary buffer
[07:12] Shaunzie: are you talking about in HTML?
[07:12] Shaunzie: like <img src="data:image/png…">?
[07:14] vjsingh: Yes, but isn't the result of reading in the file with fs going to give me binary data? I thought that wouldn't work in the src field like that
[07:14] vjsingh: I'm actually trying to serve pdfs inline
[07:14] cmr: It needs to be base64-encoded
[07:14] Shaunzie: what cmr said
[07:14] Shaunzie: data:image/png;base64,_STUFF_HERE_
[07:14] cmr: there are limits on size, though
[07:15] cmr: 2MB on Chrome and IE, I think
[07:15] Shaunzie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data:_URL
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[07:16] vjsingh: Oh ok that makes sense, I actually want to do it for pdfs though so I presume theres no encoding  trick for that?
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[07:34] jhbot: 'Is there a server-side JavaScript framework (node.js) that produces html pages without using a template engine?' by Richard Perfect http://stackoverflow.com/q/8776077 (tags: javascript)
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[07:35] bingomanatee: anyone have a good recommendation for a nosql repo that does good fuzzy text search? (which means not mongo)
[07:36] martin_sunset: bingomanatee: Solr, or index tank which has been open sourced
[07:36] warz: mongodb isnt a full text search engine, like others are
[07:36] warz: i like elasticsearch
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[07:36] bingomanatee: that sounds like a lark. thanks 
[07:36] warz: its built on lucene, so you might be fine with lucene.
[07:37] perezd:    uncaught undefined: Error: node_redis command queue state error. If you can reproduce this, please report it.
[07:37] perezd: this sounds bad
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[07:47] stride: http://venturebeat.com/2012/01/07/building-consumer-apps-with-node/ Breaking: According to venturebeat mirroring an image makes PHP sourcecode look more like JS.
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[07:49] warz: sometimes im positiuve that i must be doing it wrong, because the only module i use mentiuoned there is express
[07:49] martin_sunset: Warz it's a web agency, they rarely use bleeding edge
[07:50] martin_sunset: Warz but it's great that even agencies adopt node
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[07:50] martin_sunset: Warz but yeah, check out jade and stylus, love them ;)
[07:51] warz: im using hogan, because i just cant let go of my html. ive yet to venture away from css, too although ive heard stuff like sass and stylus are awesome
[07:51] warz: its just too much for me to change up right now :p
[07:52] martin_sunset: Warz then give stylus a try. You can write normal CSS in it, and gradually move to the new syntax
[07:53] warz: i will seriously need to find a solution to my compiling problem then. currently i just compile coffeescript to js every time i make edits, and then run node app.js.
[07:54] warz: when im doing css, i make edits like crazy and check every edit i make. thatd suck to have to compile that too
[07:54] cmr: eh, not if you had something watching the file and compiling on every change.
[07:54] cmr: Assuming the compile takes <1 sec
[07:54] martin_sunset: Warz stylus has the same watch command, you don't notice
[07:56] warz: ill try it out. might as well. ive looked it over and i know itll be nice.
[07:56] warz: i just really dont think i could drop html, so i dont think ill ever really be tempted to try out jade.
[07:57] warz: right now though im trying to grok the nodejs C++ source. trying to patch the bcrypt module for 0.7 libuv
[07:57] martin_sunset: Warz exactly my thoughts before I started with haml, qthen before I started with jade. Now I don't use anything else
[07:58] martin_sunset: Don't tell me bcrypt is broken in node 0.6???
[07:58] warz: i dont know when node switched to libuv, but yea it breaks moving to it
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[07:58] warz: eio_custom method adds a param
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[07:59] warz: heh well this is my first time messing with the cpp api of node, but im trying to patch it
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[07:59] warz: taking time figuring out what these params are / do.
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[08:19] martin_sunset: Anyone here using dreadnot? 
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[08:41] jhbot: 'While installing Node.JS forever NPM package, it errors out on git:// address dependency' by nak http://stackoverflow.com/q/8776334 (tags: npm)
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[09:05] jhbot: 'nodjs tcp test from remote PC' by coure2011 http://stackoverflow.com/q/8776448 (tags: centos)
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[09:24] jhbot: 'Coffeescript with callbacks & simplified error handling' by mkopala http://stackoverflow.com/q/8776476 (tags: javascript, asynchronous, callback, coffeescript)
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[10:30] CIA-109: node: 03Maciej Małecki 07master * r4b4d059 10/ lib/tls.js : (log message trimmed)
[10:30] CIA-109: node: tls: make `tls.connect` accept port and host in `options`
[10:30] CIA-109: node: Previous API used form:
[10:30] CIA-109: node:  tls.connect(443, "google.com", options, ...)
[10:30] CIA-109: node: now it's replaced with:
[10:30] CIA-109: node:  tls.connect({port: 443, host: "google.com", ...}, ...)
[10:30] CIA-109: node: It simplifies argument parsing in `tls.connect` and makes the API
[10:30] CIA-109: node: 03Maciej Małecki 07master * rdf0edf5 10/ lib/https.js : 
[10:30] CIA-109: node: https: make `https` use new `tls.connect` API
[10:30] CIA-109: node: Refs #1983. - http://git.io/hHXARQ
[10:30] CIA-109: node: 03Maciej Małecki 07master * r39484f4 10/ (14 files): 
[10:30] CIA-109: node: test tls: make tests use new `tls.connect` API
[10:30] CIA-109: node: Refs #1983. - http://git.io/EA6rpA
[10:30] CIA-109: node: 03Maciej Małecki 07master * r0321adb 10/ doc/api/tls.markdown : 
[10:30] CIA-109: node: tls doc: update docs to reflect API change
[10:30] CIA-109: node: Refs #1983. - http://git.io/ePttqA
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[11:20] joshgillies: is there a repo I can clone to get an offline copy of "http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/index.html"
[11:21] cmr: joshgillies: github.com/joyent/node
[11:21] cmr: joshgillies: "make doc"
[11:21] cmr: joshgillies: it's in out/doc/api/
[11:22] joshgillies: cmr awesome, thanks for that!
[11:22] cmr: joshgillies: make sure to checkout the relevant version, of course. "git checkout v0.6.7" for the most recent stable
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[13:05] andrew12: is there a way to require() a file in the current scope? i.e. that file has access to all of the current files locals and everything?
[13:05] zomg: andrew12: nope, don't think so due to how scope works
[13:06] andrew12: darn
[13:06] zomg: Why did you want to do that anyway?
[13:06] zomg: Sounds like a bad idea to me
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[13:07] andrew12: well I wanna separate files so my code is easier to understand, but it's kind of annoying to have to pass around every single object that i use in the other file
[13:07] andrew12: i really just want to run all of the files as if they were one
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[13:07] zomg: Sounds like maybe you should think more of how your code is separated if you need to pass around that much stuff :)
[13:08] zomg: Or you could create a "context" object which stores the important stuff
[13:08] zomg: Then just pass that
[13:08] andrew12: well it's kind of like, i have a bunch of helper functions written in the main file
[13:08] andrew12: and some sort of global stuff
[13:09] andrew12: hmm
[13:09] zomg: Maybe you should move the helpers into a separate file, then you could require that
[13:09] andrew12: yeah
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[13:16] Lingerance: andrew12: I know of two solutions: 1) Use something like EstJS' namespaces (where everything gets tacked onto the Ext object somehow) or 2) Use vm.runInCurrentContext instead of require.  #2 is probably closer to what you want.
[13:16] zomg: #2 sounds like a bad idea
[13:16] zomg: :D
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[13:17] Lingerance: If it's all the same module, I fail to see an issue.
[13:17] Lingerance: Other than code-maintenance.
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[13:17] andrew12: that sounds like exactly what I want
[13:18] zomg: Well the main problem I see with it is that it misses the point of separating things into files in my opinion
[13:18] Neil_: Can I fork a hubot adapter and use it without having to create a new npm?
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[13:18] Lingerance: Yes
[13:18] zomg: If you actually have so much code that it becomes hard to maintain it in a single file, you probably should just split it into modules rather than just tacking a hacky solution like that on it
[13:19] andrew12: the only problem is that I write code in coco and that thing executes javascript.
[13:19] Lingerance: ...
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[13:20] andrew12: ?
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[13:20] Lingerance: 
ACTION codes in JS.  Not something that compiles to JS.

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[13:20] astropirate: compiling to js is for sissies
[13:21] andrew12: heh
[13:21] astropirate: REAL MEN write in js :D
[13:21] zomg: I use CoffeeScript quite a lot lately
[13:21] zomg: It's just less typing than JS :P
[13:21] astropirate: less understandable than js
[13:21] booyaa: 
ACTION grins

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[13:21] astropirate: its easier to read but takes a bit to understand what it is saying
[13:22] zomg: I dunno
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[13:22] zomg: If you write it like Perl, as in using all the doX unless foo and such, then yeah
[13:22] astropirate: (in my opinion)
[13:22] zomg: I try to write it more like Python, in a sensible manner without using all the gimmicks =)
[13:22] mikrosystheme: you can compile to better JS with your hands.
[13:22] astropirate: mikrosystheme++
[13:23] mikrosystheme: if you write JS, you shoud try to write more like JS
[13:23] astropirate: we need a beer bot for this channel 
[13:23] astropirate: like #javascript
[13:23] andrew12: there was one in here
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[13:24] jhbot: 'getting data from tcp client' by coure2011 http://stackoverflow.com/q/8777871 (tags: centos)
[13:25] HardPhuc: it already has a beer bot, but it's currently in beta (as in not replying to anything :)
[13:25] astropirate: i suppose the only language that compiles to JS I MIGHT look into is clojure... but they hate all things js which turns me off
[13:25] zomg: Clojure is so lispy :/
[13:25] zomg: Haskell has some sort of a Haskell-to-JS thing
[13:26] astropirate: shrugs**
[13:26] andrew12: clojure is lisp...
[13:26] zomg: Not sure how good it is though, but if it is then I might consider using that =)
[13:26] astropirate: haskell is the devils spawn
[13:26] zomg: andrew12: exactly :P
[13:26] andrew12: heh
[13:26] astropirate: i tried XMonad DM and i had to play around with haskell NOT fun
[13:26] astropirate: *WM not DM
[13:27] zomg: Haskell is awesome... assuming you've managed to understand all the insanity in it
[13:27] zomg: =)
[13:27] astropirate: :)
[13:27] RLa: btw, anyone tried heavy static typing (through inference) on javascript?
[13:27] astropirate: RLa: not here, but can you give an example?
[13:28] astropirate: or link
[13:28] RLa: var i = 0; <- infers type int for i
[13:28] RLa: no, i do not know such projects
[13:28] zomg: WebStorm tries to do some I think
[13:29] zomg: Not always very succesfully, nor very heavily
[13:29] astropirate: RLa: i know google guys (that hate JS) compile from Java to get "type security"
[13:29] astropirate: with their closoure tools
[13:29] zomg: You could probably get that by compiling from Haskell too
[13:29] RLa: well, what if you do not like java
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[13:29] RLa: and want closures which java does not have
[13:30] astropirate: RLa: hmm lol funny enough i think the latest edition of java supports closures
[13:30] zomg: Not sure but maybe you could use some other JVM language?
[13:30] RLa: it does not
[13:31] RLa: it has been talked for over 5 years but no closures implementation yet
[13:31] astropirate: ohh nvm its being debated
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[13:31] RLa: they will debate more 5 years till java is forgotten and nobody uses it
[13:31] booyaa: do we think we'll see a .net or java vm'd version of node?
[13:31] booyaa: thinking of ironpython and jruby
[13:32] RLa: there is rhino, small layer could be written using nio or nio2 or whatever was their latest async io lib
[13:33] RLa: i'm not seeing many benefits of java jvm
[13:33] astropirate: or .net
[13:33] astropirate: unless m$ wants to extend and exterminate <_<
[13:34] RLa: uh, why we need so much complexity
[13:34] astropirate: *embrace (phase complete)   extend (add it to .net!)  exterminate (we'll see..)
[13:34] RLa: all vms and that
[13:34] booyaa: ironpython's been useful in place of powershell in places
[13:35] booyaa: jruby's been useful for using vagrant on 64bit win
[13:35] Wizek: Hey! What do you guys think about this: http://jsfiddle.net/KeREY/ ? What do you like/dislike about it? Tree.js is a fresh new unit testing framework. I'd love to hear your feedback!
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[13:36] RLa: static typing and ruby and java lovers will like this: http://www.mirah.org/
[13:37] guybrush: Wizek: the UI looks super sweet
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[13:38] Wizek: guybrush, I'm glad you like it. It aims to be. :)
[13:39] booyaa: i need to start writing tests for my code... would really like my github repos to be travis-ci tested
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[13:43] Lingerance: <astropirate> or .net <-- JS.NET exists
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[13:43] astropirate: dear lord
[13:43] astropirate: have mercy on us
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[13:44] Lingerance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Managed_JScript#JScript_.NET
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[13:45] MRdNk: hi all.  I'm looking at using the Crypto module; and need some advice.  I have previously written an authentication system in ASP.NET - my companies choice of language (booo!).  And I want to rewrite it in node.js - so that I can create a more robust and closer to real-time collaboration between the authentication system and any ASP.NET application that uses it.  So at the moment, user logs in using their credentials, and the return dat
[13:45] MRdNk: Is there a good and secure ecryption algorithum, that can be used by both node and .NET
[13:45] MRdNk: ?
[13:46] zomg: your first message was cut off at "and the return dat"
[13:46] MRdNk: ...  data is encrypted and sent back to them via a form post.
[13:47] MRdNk: and decrypted the other end.  - compiled bin file that is distributed for client applications to use
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[13:48] MRdNk: currently using rijndael
[13:49] zomg: You could probably just use whatever you're using with aspnet
[13:49] zomg: Although if the current system works fine then I'm not sure if you really should replace it with a node thing just for the sake of using node
[13:49] MRdNk: is there a rijndael encryption for nodejs?
[13:50] Lingerance: nodejs offloads to openssl, which ships with a tool that lists all supported algos
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[13:51] Lingerance: The docs (IIRC) list the command.
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[13:51] zomg: MRdNk: iirc crypto can use AES
[13:51] MRdNk: It's not just for the sake of using it, I want to improve the security of it, and make it faster.  Currently it's a one time for post for each session, which includes your permissions.
[13:51] MRdNk: *form*
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[13:52] MRdNk: ... so if permissions change, the user has to logout, and in again.  I want to be able to update the data sent, and maintain the users logged in and out state.
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[13:56] jhbot: 'nodejs+express-validator. Checking params' by Erik http://stackoverflow.com/q/8778104
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[13:58] MRdNk: and also create it as a service... rather than get and post to another web application for the user.  Basically deeper integration.
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[14:02] MRdNk: Perhaps the key is simply to use Nodejs as the go between, service via nodejs, and run it through .NET on the provider backend.
[14:03] MRdNk: or perhaps I'm just wasting my time
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[14:03] MRdNk: oh is Rijndael and AES the same thing?
[14:05] Lingerance: Yes
[14:06] MRdNk: AES isn't part of openssl right?
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[14:08] MRdNk: Well that makes a lot more sense!  Now I think I can work it out a bit better, just need to play with it and see what I get.
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[14:09] HardPhuc: man I love theme forest sometimes
[14:09] HardPhuc: instead of paying an expensive designer I just buy a template for 20 bucks
[14:10] MRdNk: Just to clarify why I'm rewriting it, is that I want a much more concurrent connection between logged in user, and their relevant session data.  Rather than keeping all that data in the ASP.NET session, which seems open to attacks...
[14:10] HardPhuc: it's not unique, but the odds of visiting the site with the same design is close to 0
[14:10] Lingerance: $ openssl list 2>&1 | grep -oi aes | wc -l
[14:10] Lingerance: 6
[14:10] Lingerance: MRdNk: ^
[14:10] Lingerance: AES is in OpenSSL
[14:10] MRdNk: Though its used in a closed network, but is used in other closed networks bundled with other software
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[14:12] MRdNk: we sell - and so needs to be pretty secure.  The data sent isn't that sensitive, but what it gives access to is.
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[14:13] MRdNk: When i do... $openssl list-message-digest-algorithms i don't see AES
[14:13] lietu: erm, isn't message digest another way to say "hash"?
[14:14] MRdNk: ah ok. Showing my ignorance.
[14:15] MRdNk: openssl list - bit more useful
[14:16] MRdNk: :)
[14:18] MRdNk: still a bit of a bash n00b
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[14:22] pita: https://github.com/Pita/V8-Hash-Collision-Generator
[14:22] MRdNk: gonna have a play and see if I can get the same values with nodejs and .NET
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[15:13] jhbot: 'How do I run a index.jade file?' by Xtreme http://stackoverflow.com/q/8778604 (tags: javascript, html5)
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[15:21] MRdNk: What am I doing wrong...
[15:21] MRdNk: var buf = new Buffer(password, encoding='utf8');  var encrypt = crypto.createCipher('aes-256-cbc', buf.toString()); 
[15:22] MRdNk: error: Assertion failed: (encoding == BINARY), function DecodeWrite, file ../src/node.cc, line 1096. Abort trap: 6
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[15:22] MRdNk: password is a variable containing the string
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[15:24] abc__: new blog post about v8 and node http://jcla1.com/blog/2012/01/08/exploring-the-v8-js-engine-part-2
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[15:25] MRdNk: @Lingerance ^
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[15:29] Lingerance: Try it without making a Buffer pointlessly
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[15:29] TheJH: MRdNk, " encoding='utf8'" leaks
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[15:31] MRdNk: i tried that before. Event this example from StackOverflow isn't working... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6038620/aes-encrypt-in-node-js-decrypt-in-php-fail
[15:31] MRdNk: same error
[15:31] MRdNk: *even*
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[15:32] Vadi: Hello Noders! I know this question might have come up earlier here .  What is the best emac setup to develop using nodejs
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[15:33] Vadi: The experience with emacs+nodejs is not as like you do for example scala or java
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[15:35] MRdNk: any ideas?
[15:35] Lingerance: > var e = require('crypto').createCipher('aes-256-cbc', 'password'); e.update('asdf'); e.final('hex')
[15:35] Lingerance: '777f6e611302359099b81c68c02964ff'
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[15:38] joshsmith: anyone here use Jade templates with express?
[15:39] Lingerance: Yes.  But not I.
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[15:39] insin: yup
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[15:39] joshsmith: I'm having trouble conceptualizing how to structure a menu
[15:39] joshsmith: so that I can show active items depending on the current route/url
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[15:40] joshsmith: in PHP I would've had some complex if/else chain checking the request
[15:40] joshsmith: but I'm sure there's a more elegant way that's just eluding me
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[15:41] joshsmith: even within my layout.jade I'm not sure how to do it
[15:42] joshsmith: any ideas?
[15:43] mmalecki: joshsmith: I hate this problem :/
[15:43] insin: in Django templates, I usually use CSS for that and set the body class using a block: <body class={% block bodyclass %}">, overriding it in a child template - need  to check if I can do something similar in jade, since blocks are element level
[15:44] joshsmith: well, at least I'm not an idiot for struggling with this
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[15:44] mmalecki: joshsmith: maybe render it client-side?
[15:44] joshsmith: I could copy/paste everywhere, but that would be ridiculous
[15:44] mmalecki: it'd be a simple indexOf check
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[15:46] Vadi: any emacs+nodejs guys here?
[15:46] Vadi: I am really not getting enough out of using emacs as a editor to develop nodejs apps
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[15:46] Vadi: What you guys use ? I am can use eclipse netbeans etc., just wanted to take thoughts from here ..
[15:47] Vadi: any help is greatly appreciated
[15:47] joshsmith: Vadi: I use TextMate
[15:47] Sir_Rai: Vim
[15:48] loucal: Vadi: vi or textmate
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[15:48] Vadi: no emacs here?
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[15:49] loucal: im sure some people do, I personally wouldn't ever use it over vi, but don't want to discount it
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[15:49] Vadi: loucal: thanks
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[15:50] loucal: Vadi: no prob, see if you can learn a little vi bit by bit, it helps because you can use it anywhere.  For instance I can ssh anywhere with my smartphone and thanks to screen and vi I can code from anywhere fairly comfortably
[15:50] insin: sweet, it worked
[15:50] tarnfeld: hey guys, i have a quick question.. i'm using express… how can I perform a redirect within a callback inside my route function, e.g.: after i've got a mongodb result… I can't simply return as that won't return from the route function, only from my callback
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[15:50] joshsmith: Vadi: there's a peepcode video that'll teach you how to use some of vi
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[15:51] Vadi: joshmith: thanks, i will look into that
[15:51] secoif: Vadi there was a discussion on the mailing list about editors a while back https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/nodejs/HXEyw-szjsE
[15:51] tarnfeld: here's a snippet.. http://scrp.at/aWa
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[15:51] Vadi: I am bit of used to vi though, i will take a look into peepcode thanks joshsmith
[15:52] joshsmith: sure np Vadi 
[15:52] joshsmith: if you're not strong with command line generally, they teach some other stuff, too
[15:52] joshsmith: it even helped me out, and I consider myself pretty advanced
[15:52] joshsmith: for example, they had a brilliant idea about organization of my bashrc/profile, including putting that stuff into source control
[15:53] secoif: Vadi if you're on a mac, macvim is a good choice
[15:53] Vadi: ok, i am on ubuntu
[15:53] secoif: Vadi ahh, try gvim then.
[15:54] tarnfeld: Would somebody be able to take a quick look at my little question (http://scrp.at/aWa) - i'm sure its simple I'm just a bit lost :(
[15:54] secoif: tarnfeld you could ask in #express
[15:55] tarnfeld: secoif: yeah I will do, though it seems probably a basic node (or even javascript) question
[15:55] loucal: so if anyone is bored today, I'm not really 'stuck' on anything but I open sourced my first node.js project on github last week and I am definitely open to suggestions for improvement.  I'm sure the node newbness shows up in more than a couple places.  It is a cache for the itunes store search api because apple states large websites should have some sort of caching architecture https://github.com/loucal/istore-node-cache  If you look at the 
[15:55] loucal: DRY_but_ugly branch you will see where I tried to dry up the code, not sure which version makes more sense.  Anyway, would surely appreciate a few eyeballs whenever anyone feels like looking. :)
[15:56] loucal: Please keep criticism constructive though if possible lol, like I said, first 'real' project.
[15:56] joshsmith: I would look if I weren't a complete noob myself loucal 
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[15:56] joshsmith: I'd be more of a hindrance than a help :D
[15:57] loucal: haha thanks :) its way simple, only 90 lines or so though so check it out if you feel like it
[15:57] TheJH: loucal, if you don't want people to be able to crash your server, check body length in the data listener
[15:57] jhbot: 'Rendering menus as Jade view partials in Express' by Josh Smith http://stackoverflow.com/q/8778933 (tags: view, menu, express, jade)
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[15:58] loucal: TheJH:  awesome, thank you.  You are talking about the body length coming from apple's servers?
[15:58] TheJH: loucal, here: https://github.com/loucal/istore-node-cache/blob/master/server.js#L76
[15:59] TheJH: loucal, you have some relatively deep nesting there...
[15:59] TheJH: loucal, also, you often ignore "err"
[16:00] loucal: TheJH: thank you.  Yeah, did you check out the DRY_but_ugly branch?
[16:00] TheJH: loucal, not so deep anymore, but still...
[16:00] loucal: yeah, its not done, will definitely be using err to keep it from crashing :)
[16:00] loucal: TheJH: what would you do about the nesting personally, the async module?
[16:00] TheJH: loucal, also, use the request library, it can do stuff like buffering responses for you
[16:01] TheJH: !@loucal npm info request
[16:01] jhbot: loucal, request by Mikeal Rogers, version 2.9.3: Simplified HTTP request client.
[16:01] joshsmith: loucal: https://github.com/mikeal/request
[16:01] TheJH: joshsmith, :D
[16:01] joshsmith: I'm a bot :D
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[16:01] loucal: TheJH: hmm, that sounds useful ;)  Yeah, I definitely was suggested request I just wanted to understand the basics as well as possible before getting into other people's libraries
[16:02] TheJH: loucal, also, about the deep nesting: you might want to try streamlinejs
[16:02] TheJH: loucal, that's a good approach :)
[16:02] TheJH: loucal, I personally think that the best solution to the nesting hell is cocos backcall syntax, but people won't be able to read your code anymore :D
[16:03] TheJH: coco has really different syntax than normal JS
[16:03] joshsmith: the only ads I'm getting on SO are Joyent Cloud ads
[16:03] loucal: nice, thank you so much man im getting a lot of good stuff to look into.  TheJH about your first comment, since I am limiting the response from the itunes server, how can they send a response that is too large?  Sorry not questioning you just want to understand better.
[16:03] TheJH: joshsmith, I often get those, too :D
[16:03] joshsmith: I hope they're not paying CPM
[16:03] TheJH: loucal, no, not talking about your request to itunes
[16:03] joshsmith: I just keep refreshing to see if I get something else
[16:03] loucal: TheJH: checking out cocos now too
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[16:04] TheJH: loucal, https://github.com/satyr/coco
[16:04] TheJH: loucal, I'm talking about your http server
[16:04] loucal: TheJH: sorry, i get that, i mean since that is the only place the response would originate from I thought
[16:04] loucal: but now i am realizing what you mean since it goes into my db if there is a match
[16:05] loucal: the way it is working right now it actually only pulls an exact match for the artist name from my db so any response that doesn't come from itunes is limited to 1 document, if that makes any sense
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[16:05] loucal: I definitely want to correct it so it doesn't open up a hole in the future, but I am wondering given that, is it still possible to crash it. (not from an I dont feel like fixing it standpoint just simply to understand it before I do)
[16:06] TheJH: loucal, https://github.com/loucal/istore-node-cache/blob/DRY_but_ugly/server.js#L78-89 - can't anyone connect there?
[16:06] loucal: TheJH: ahhh on the request, duh
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[16:06] TheJH: loucal, if I connect and send endless data, your RAM fills up until v8 decides to kill the script
[16:06] loucal: they can overload it with a huge request body your saying?
[16:06] insin: joshsmith: this is what I do for active menu items, although I use template inheritance (for the win!): https://github.com/insin/iswydt/commit/8ba832800dbbc7804f9badd6e58acb723c2abace
[16:07] TheJH: loucal, yes
[16:07] loucal: yeahhhh, sorry TheJH I must not have had enough coffee this morning ;)
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[16:07] loucal: so for this particular server, I could limit the body to 0 couldn't I?
[16:08] loucal: or would that break things?  All the info i need from the request is in the URI
[16:08] joshsmith: insin: thanks for sharing. I do something like that myself, but I really want to check if the current menu item is the current page/route
[16:09] TheJH: loucal, yes, just destroy the requests socket on data
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[16:09] joshsmith: so in your Home/Services, one would show as an active if you were on that route
[16:11] TheJH: 
ACTION knows exactly how he'd solve joshsmith's problem in node-vacuum :P

[16:11] joshsmith: TheJH: should share
[16:11] joshsmith: the templating really probably doesn't differe that much
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[16:12] joshsmith: should I pass in req.path to all my views or something?
[16:13] TheJH: joshsmith, in vacuum, I'd create a template function for menu entries that takes the URL and the link target from the context and conditionally highlights stuff
[16:13] TheJH: joshsmith, yes, I'd do that
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[16:14] joshsmith: I'm probably gonna have to do some ugly if/else statements
[16:14] insin: how do you plug arbitrary functions into Jade's context?
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[16:15] TheJH: insin, who are you talking to?
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[16:15] insin: anyone :)
[16:15] HardPhuc: this channel is quite busy for a sunday :)
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[16:15] joshsmith: HardPhuc: I have way too much work to do to be sitting around
[16:15] HardPhuc: insin I usually pass them as a local var
[16:15] TheJH: joshsmith, that huuuurts
[16:16] joshsmith: TheJH: hmm I could do an an each loop
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[16:16] joshsmith: and check if req.path matches the path in the array
[16:17] TheJH: joshsmith, uhhh... can't you just, like, define a template function "menuentry" that checks whether its "href" attribute matches the request url?
[16:17] HardPhuc: insin, then i just do #{myfunc(myvar)}
[16:17] loucal: TheJH: I think I misinterpreted what you meant by destroying the socket.. I first tried commenting out line 76 completely, but that gives me error: request not found, so then I just tried removing the body += chunk from it but still same error
[16:18] joshsmith: TheJH: I'd really need to see an example to grasp that. I'm not familiar enough with templating
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[16:19] insin: a mixin which takes the item's utl and text
[16:19] insin: *url
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[16:21] joshsmith: hmm I'm reading the docs, but just missing it
[16:21] joshsmith: I'm gonna play around and see what I can come up with
[16:22] joshsmith: would I have to pass in req.path to *every* view if I did this?
[16:22] joshsmith: within my layout.jade, that is
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[16:24] insin: does express have anything like Django's context processors? They're a list of functions which get called every time a template is being rendered, and can add things to the template context before it's used
[16:24] joshsmith: ah no, I can use dynamicHelpers!
[16:25] insin: that's the one
[16:25] TheJH: joshsmith, example in node-vacuum: https://gist.github.com/741ef79ae1689fa0eb11
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[16:26] joshsmith: thanks TheJH, looking in a minute
[16:27] insin: ah, helpers is where you could stick utility functions too
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[16:30] joshsmith: oh really?
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[16:48] loucal: TheJH: I have tried a bunch of ways to somehow truncate that "body", even adding in if (body.length < 1024) { body += chunk } all with that same error.  I wonder if the journey library is already handling this?  I might have to dig into the code and see, it doesn't seem to want me to do what your suggesting, unless I am just totally doing it wrong.
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[16:51] jhbot: 'Good idiom to filter out members of an object (javascript)' by Grumdrig http://stackoverflow.com/q/8779304 (tags: javascript, delete)
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[16:53] HardPhuc: damn I love MongoDB
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[16:55] HardPhuc: on my first project with it and already fell in love
[16:55] HardPhuc: and combining it with node… awesome
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[16:56] kyonsalt: 10HardPhuc: show it?
[16:57] HardPhuc: can't it's not public yet
[16:57] HardPhuc: will be in about 14 days
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[16:58] HardPhuc: hopefully I'd like to make a startup out of it
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[16:58] HardPhuc: I'm a bit tired of PHP which is my bread and butter
[16:59] HardPhuc: and I've reached a point with my current CMS of choice where I feel there's not much I can learn
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[17:05] TheJH: loucal, are you sure you didn't change something else that causes it to stop working?
[17:06] loucal: TheJH: Yeah, that is the only line I changed line 76/77 is now request.addListener('data', function(chunk) { 
[17:06] loucal: 	    if (body.length < 1024) { body += chunk } });
[17:07] loucal: I tried a bunch of different lengths up to huge numbers, and I tried just getting rid of that listener
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[17:07] damond: uv_run question: I have a custom server that runs in its own posix thread in a native Add On.  What is the proper way to keep the node process running the uv_run event loop?  In other words, if I start the server in my Add On via a script, my process will exit.  I've tried calling uv_ref(uv_default_loop()) in the v8 thread in my Add On but the process still exits.  I've tried to add a SignalWatcher via process.on and that still exits.  I 
[17:07] damond: bind to a TCP/UDP port or set a timer and that works, but neither seem correct.  I didn't see anything in the process object for doing this from script.  What does the Add On have to do?
[17:07] loucal: as well as just leaving body as an empty string
[17:08] TheJH: loucal, that's really weird
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[17:08] TheJH: loucal, what does "git diff" say?
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[17:09] loucal: TheJH:  it says what I just said in diff speak ;)
[17:09] loucal: but I could paste it somewhere if you want to verify
[17:09] loucal: journey is just instantly sending back a json response with an error object in it like this {"error":"request not found"}
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[17:10] mmalecki: use directory, journey is pretty outdated
[17:10] quackquack: join #ruby
[17:10] mmalecki: *director
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[17:10] loucal: mmalecki: cool, searching now
[17:11] HardPhuc: http://pastebin.com/hHMSDh2e here if someone finds it useful
[17:11] loucal: journey just seemed the simplest because I only wanted to deal with json, but I never ran across directory
[17:11] AndreasMadsen: Why do a not get an EADDRINUSE error when using a UNIX path as TCP address, when i already have a running server? 
[17:11] HardPhuc: a simple loop that registers listeners for all methods that start with 'on'
[17:12] loucal: director* lol
[17:12] AndreasMadsen: https://gist.github.com/1579031
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[17:18] jhbot: 'spikes in trafic' by dryprogrammers http://stackoverflow.com/q/8779509 (tags: mongodb, amazon-ec2, redis)
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[17:46] jhbot: 'How to keep Node uv_run from exiting when hosting own thread in an add on?' by damondanieli http://stackoverflow.com/q/8779717
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[17:50] draginx: How do I yeild in jadejs for expressjs?
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[17:59] joshsmith: I'm using Jade in Express; can I pass in values to an included jade file (for partial rendering)?
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[18:02] insin: "lexically scoped variables function as if the included Jade was written right in the same file"
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[18:02] joshsmith: insin: that's weird; that's not happening for me
[18:04] joshsmith: I'm getting 'Cannot read property' within the included jade file
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[18:11] joshsmith: actually, my bad, I did something stupid
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[18:51] italic: hi. is there a way to clear the console output in the repl?
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[18:53] chrisdickinson: out of curiosity, are there any node-nfs or node-smb modules?
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[19:18] warz: dang. neither hashlib or bcrypt libs are compatible with node 0.7, yet.
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[19:23] TheJH: what's that global "errno" thing?
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[19:29] context: thejh: its where error codes are placed after an error.
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[19:31] sgfgdf: hello, guys! is it normal to get undefined message when creating functio inside node's REPL? my version is 0.6.7.
[19:31] sgfgdf: *function
[19:31] TheJH: context, why is that a global?
[19:31] TheJH: sgfgdf, yes
[19:32] sgfgdf: TheJH: what is the purpose? everything that returns void will print undefined from now?
[19:32] TheJH: context, like, an errno - doesn't that belong to an Error object instead of "global"?
[19:32] TheJH: sgfgdf, no
[19:33] sgfgdf: TheJH: can you explain, please?
[19:33] TheJH: sgfgdf, function statements are statements, and only expressions return values
[19:33] TheJH: sgfgdf, uh, moment
[19:33] TheJH: sgfgdf, actually, you mean, why it prints undefined instead of nothing?
[19:33] TheJH: sgfgdf, in that case, you're right
[19:34] TheJH: sorry
[19:34] sgfgdf: TheJH: yes, even when i hit enter i get the undefined message.
[19:34] sgfgdf: TheJH: is it some change that will remain, or it is a bug that will be fixed in the next versions?
[19:35] TheJH: sgfgdf, not entirely sure
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[19:35] sgfgdf: TheJH: okay, will ignore it for now. thank you!
[19:35] TheJH: sgfgdf, but it somewhat makes sense to me
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[19:37] context: node has an errno, or are you talking about in C
[19:37] sgfgdf: TheJH: why? when you have newlines inside your .js files you don't get undefined.
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[19:38] context: wth
[19:38] context: the repl ?
[19:38] TheJH: sgfgdf, uh, what?
[19:38] context: the repl is not a js file
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[19:39] TheJH: !admin eval eval('')
[19:39] jhbot: undefined
[19:39] TheJH: sgfgdf, ^
[19:39] context: its an intereactive terminal. its giving you the response to EVERYTHING you put in
[19:40] sgfgdf: context: i was asking TheJH about why i get the undefined message even when i just hit enter.
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[19:41] context: sgfgdf: the repl is an interactive terminal. it gives you the response to ANYTHING you give it
[19:42] context: a blank line executed as a statement results with undefined. thus you get undefined
[19:42] context: its not a bug. its how the repl works
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[19:43] context: sgfgdf: and i imagine when node processes a file it "optimizes out" blank lines. but there ARE statements in your code that result in undefined. whether you give that result to a variable or any sort of input is another thing.
[19:43] context: i imagine the majority of function calls return undefined as most things are async and depend on the calling of a callback later
[19:44] TheJH: context, you can't use the results of statements, only the results of expressions :D
[19:44] context: sgfgdf: what would you suggest eval("") return... it MUST return something
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[19:45] sgfgdf: context: i was asking because other repls like for example python don't have this behaviour, but what you said sounds somehow reasonable.
[19:46] sgfgdf: anyway thank you, guys for explainig that to me!
[19:46] fwg: <nitpick> a statement does not yield a value, that's what makes it different from an expression, therefore the repl treats everything as an expresstion </nitpick>
[19:47] italic: is there a way to clear the console output from the repl?
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[19:48] TheJH: italic, you want to empty the screen? why?
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[19:49] italic: TheJH: i'm just prototyping and want to show an updated matrix
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[19:54] dodo_: italic: maybe this helps: https://github.com/substack/node-charm
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[19:55] italic: dodo_: thanks. i was hoping for something quick like .clear, but that's used for something else. oh well, i'll make do
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[19:57] thisandagain: preface - not trying to troll... just trying to understand: can anyone explain why you would choose to deploy a node.js app at Heroku? The dyno scaling approach (1 concurrent request per dyno) seems completely antithetical to the basic premise/intention behind node.
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[19:59] chrisdickinson: isaacs: hey, out of curiosity, what's the status on https://github.com/isaacs/node-fuse ?
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[20:08] jhbot: 'Nodejs not running' by migueljimenezz http://stackoverflow.com/q/8780812 (tags: javascript, server, websocket)
[20:10] zaxx: anyone for a help? I don't get one aspoect of non-blocking approach and rly can't figure it out.
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[20:10] webben: zaxx: On freenode, describe your problem, don't ask for people.
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[20:11] TheJH: webben++
[20:11] catb0t: webben now has 1 beer
[20:11] webben: glug glug glug
[20:13] zaxx: webben: ok; all: when I try to test non-blocking approach, calling the particular pathn in http address, i pass the response and request objects to the function with callback, but I need to do some blocking action in that place. E.g. longtime search for a file. If i access different address of the same server, the response is quick, even though the other request is still being handled, but if i open two times the same url path, the second one times-out, be
[20:13] zaxx: cause the former request was not handled yet
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[20:14] cjm: NodeUp is live! http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nodeup and we're in #nodeup
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[20:16] TheJH: zaxx, show us some code
[20:16] zaxx: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nodeup
[20:16] zaxx: srry
[20:16] TheJH: :D
[20:16] zaxx: http://pastebin.com/g4FFmcCJ
[20:16] markq: cjm...any video?
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[20:17] cjm: markq no, just audio
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[20:19] isaacs: chrisdickinson: mostly abandoned.
[20:19] isaacs: chrisdickinson: full of longing.
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[20:19] chrisdickinson: ah, dang ):
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[20:20] isaacs: chrisdickinson: there's a wip type dev branch that i last worked on around the node 0.4 days
[20:20] isaacs: maybe even 0.3
[20:20] zaxx: TheJH it is just the tutorial from http://www.nodebeginner.org/ I am trying to figure out, how to do the server, which is able to handle serveral same requests at once
[20:20] isaacs: chrisdickinson: if you want to adopt it, you have my blesin
[20:20] isaacs: blessing
[20:22] chrisdickinson: hmm. thanks for the info! i may see how far i get -- i hesitate to adopt it outright, since i'm roughly 0% familiar with FUSE.
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[20:24] ccapndave: Hey all - how can I update a package installed with npm to the master branch instead of the latest stable tag?
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[20:25] blueadept: what's the best way to get a version list of NPMs?
[20:25] blueadept: nm, http://search.npmjs.org/
[20:25] mmalecki: isaacs: ping?
[20:25] ccapndave: blueadept: Probably not the best way, but I just discovered that npm install somepackage@master gives you a list of valid versions :)
[20:25] mmalecki: isaacs: are we going to use static search in near future?
[20:26] mmalecki: isaacs: because you know what would be cool? having travis build status on search.npmjs.org
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[20:26] isaacs: mmalecki: good idea.
[20:27] isaacs: i'll start a new repo for the npm package website soon, if nothing else than to take issues like this
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[20:27] mmalecki: isaacs: I know, right? should I pull request or is it going away soon?
[20:27] mmalecki: ok, cool
[20:27] isaacs: for now, you could post issues on npmjs.org, i guess
[20:27] isaacs: maybe prefix with "Static site: "
[20:27] isaacs: or something
[20:27] mmalecki: isaacs: sure
[20:27] isaacs: gotta run
[20:28] HardPhuc: anyone with extended mongoose knowledge?
[20:29] HardPhuc: I'd like to find a document that is not older than a day :)
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[20:34] CIA-109: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07v0.6 * r472a72d 10/ (Makefile configure): 
[20:34] CIA-109: node: build: honour the PYTHON environment variable
[20:34] CIA-109: node: Overrides the path to the python binary. Defaults to `python`. - http://git.io/ICQHYw
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[20:37] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: ping?
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[20:45] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: pong
[20:45] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: errno variable - should this thing be global?
[20:45] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: js errno or c++ errno?
[20:46] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: js
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[20:46] TheJH: bnoordhuis, js errno, and if so, why?
[20:46] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: it is global (if it exists), it's set by the c++ bindings
[20:46] jhbot: 'Running Expresso TDD in Node.js on Windows' by claytoncarney http://stackoverflow.com/q/8781135 (tags: windows)
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[20:46] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: can it be changed?
[20:46] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: why?
[20:47] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: well... bad design? it sounds racey to me
[20:47] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: there is no race, a v8 vm is single-threaded
[20:48] bnoordhuis: TheJH: you're asking because of this? https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/2488
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[20:48] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: hm, ok. so it's going to stay there?
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[20:49] TheJH: bnoordhuis, yes
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[20:50] bnoordhuis: we set errno so we don't have to throw from the binding layer
[20:50] mmalecki: I see
[20:50] bnoordhuis: re Object.freeze(global), we actually tried that in the past
[20:51] bnoordhuis: but it has (or had) serious performance overhead
[20:51] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: it'd be cool to make it an option tho
[20:51] bnoordhuis: but why?
[20:51] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: I just spent an hour to get rid of global leaks 
[20:52] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: I mean, it's an option
[20:52] jhbot: 'require.paths.unshift' by dortzur http://stackoverflow.com/q/8781196
[20:52] bnoordhuis: i suppose it could have its uses...
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[20:53] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: yes :)
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[20:53] mmalecki: TheJH: wanna pull request that?
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[20:54] TheJH: mmalecki, hmm, not sure
[20:54] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: btw, can we call errno something different? I think it's quite a common name
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[20:54] TheJH: mmalecki, lazy, have to do homework, it's late - why don't you? :D
[20:54] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: __errno? it's an internal API anyway
[20:54] mmalecki: TheJH: sure :)
[20:54] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: eventually, yes. i agree the name is badly chosen
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[20:55] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: want me to pull request that? :D
[20:55] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: (I'm having a number of core commits fight with indutny)
[20:55] mmalecki: I'll totally beat him
[20:55] clarkfischer: Any mongoose whizzes in here? I've got a strange error.
[20:56] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: you still have a long way to go... 18 vs 92
[20:57] pV: anyone have any good tutorials for bring node applications to production (w/ multiple domains and all)? perhaps using nginx?
[20:57] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: indutny has 103: http://github-high-scores.heroku.com/joyent/node/high_scores/
[20:57] mmalecki: and I have 24
[20:58] bnoordhuis: i was probably counting only the commits in the v0.6 branch
[20:58] TheJH: mmalecki, :D
[20:58] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: so, yeah, I'll pull request these things :)
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[20:59] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: there's a tricky bit actually, the errno_symbol handle in src/node.cc is used by a lot of other functions
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[20:59] bnoordhuis: so you can't just change its string to "__errno"
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[21:00] raenger: For Express.js questions, is this the best palce? or is there another channel?
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[21:01] raenger: nvm, found #express
[21:02] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: actually, i think i've got it licked
[21:02] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: all right :)
[21:03] TheJH: mmalecki, uh, is the score commits*100? :D
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[21:07] sreuter: sup! :-)
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[21:14] booo: what is the best irc lib for nodejs?
[21:14] booo: are there some good irc bots in node?
[21:15] chilts: booo: https://github.com/martynsmith/node-irc
[21:15] chilts: that's just a lib, you can build bots on top of that
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[21:18] booo: chilts, cool, thx
[21:18] jhbot: 'nodejs. bcrypt on windows 7' by Erik http://stackoverflow.com/q/8781402
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[21:21] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: renaming errno to __errno breaks two tests in mysterious ways :/
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[21:21] torvalamo: #express
[21:21] torvalamo: bah
[21:21] torvalamo: sry
[21:22] torvalamo: anyone have a better irc client for gnome than this shitty empathy thing? :P
[21:22] Dulak: torvalamo: x-chat
[21:22] chilts: 
ACTION uses irssi in screen (but that's probably not what you're looking for)

[21:22] chilts: if you like Gnome :)
[21:22] bnoordhuis: torvalamo: xchat2
[21:23] Dulak: torvalamo: what bnoordhuis said
[21:23] TheJH: xchat2
[21:23] gkatsev: TheJH: irssi, weechat
[21:23] torvalamo: i prefer windowed irc over terminal yeah, preferrably one with notification of sorts
[21:24] gkatsev: oops, tab fail
[21:24] Dulak: torvalamo: don't fall for the gnome-xchat package, go directly to xchat2, it's more configurable and still ties into gnome just fine.
[21:25] torvalamo: just as you said that i was getting it from the package manager
[21:25] torvalamo: oh well
[21:25] torvalamo: i'll try it first
[21:26] Dulak: torvalamo: no I meant use the xchat2 package, not the gnome-xchat package,  gnome-xchat is like a shell on top of xchat, and it hides a LOT of config options from the user
[21:26] Dulak: torvalamo: you don't have to compile it, there are usually 2 packages
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[21:28] torvalamo2: nice
[21:28] torvalamo2: this one at least shows who has op
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[21:34] nikynyfiken: been hacking node for the last couple of days a quick question. I am using connect-assets where I have coffee files for the client side. Can I in thoose files do node stuff like read a folder structure so that I initiate an object with that information
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[21:36] chilts: nikynyfiken: if it's for the client side, then it'll run in the client browser ... which has no access to your local folders on the server
[21:37] chilts: unless you explicitely send that list somehow
[21:37] nikynyfiken: chilts ok that was what I thought but was not 100% sure if node has some nitty way of doing it
[21:38] chilts: you can make node do it :) just like any other server-side language :)
[21:38] chilts: but yeah, nothing implicit
[21:38] chilts: there may be a module to help you do what you want though
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[21:40] nikynyfiken: chilts my problem is that I have a namespace like this MyApp.Views.Movies.Index and in a boot file I have initiate MyApp.Views = {} but when I do a class declaration Index can't be set because Movies is undefined so thought in my boot file I could read the folder structure and create ex MyApp.Views.Movies = {} before 
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[21:55] jhbot: 'socket.io - send data' by Jenan http://stackoverflow.com/q/8781487 (tags: javascript, socket.io)
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[22:06] disappea_: Hey everyone. My code doesn't end. What's the best way to see what's causing the block? 
[22:06] SubStack: wish I knew
[22:07] bnoordhuis: disappea_: when you look at the node process in top / htop, is it idle or spinning at 100% cpu?
[22:08] disappea_: bnoordhuis: it's idle
[22:08] disappea_: I am using eventEmitter
[22:08] disappea_: probably still waiting that's why it doesn't exit 
[22:09] bnoordhuis: disappea_: you might have a handle of some kind (socket, timer, etc.) that's still active
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[22:09] bnoordhuis: there's no real good way to debug that kind of thing right now
[22:09] bnoordhuis: but https://github.com/bnoordhuis/node/compare/v0.6...print-handles is a work-in-progress
[22:09] disappea_: I wish it's like python where Ctrl-C will trigger an exception and then you can just see which line you are at 
[22:10] bnoordhuis: you send a SIGUSR2 to the process and it prints out a list with the active handles
[22:10] bnoordhuis: s/with/of/
[22:10] bnoordhuis: disappea_: you can do that with the built-in debugger but it's not that useful if node is sleeping
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[22:18] disappea_: if I want to attach listeners, aka using myVar.on('...') 
[22:18] disappea_: I have to use the instance variable right
[22:18] disappea_: as opposed to my class having a function this.attachAllListeners() { this.on('VOTE_START'...) 
[22:18] teadict: you can attach event to variables? what are those variables holding? ^.-
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[22:23] Jamie_: Hi
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[22:24] teadict: Ho
[22:24] teadict: Let's go
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[22:25] Agos_: can you read me?
[22:25] pV: no
[22:25] Agos_: :D
[22:25] Agos_: I just completed a HTTP tunnel with node
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[22:26] pV: nice :)
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[22:28] teadict: what a http tunnel do?
[22:28] disappea_: hide your traffic
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[22:29] disappea_: rather than A => B you do A => C => B so in B's log it's C visiting rather than A
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[22:30] teadict: holyc rap, you can integrate jslint to gedit
[22:30] disappea_: dude you shouldn't be using gedit 
[22:30] teadict: disappea_: oh, isn't that a proxy?
[22:31] disappea_: yeah 
[22:31] teadict: disappea_: I get sick of console editors from time to time, I need a GUI replacement
[22:31] disappea_: really? dude you are so slow on gedit 
[22:31] disappea_: unproductive imo 
[22:31] teadict: I'm less productive being sick but stick to the console
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[22:31] teadict: I rather change, till the sickness goes away
[22:32] teadict: from more productive to less: vim > gedit > sick of vim > sick fo gedit
[22:33] torvalamo: productive isn't always about lines of code per minute
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[22:33] teadict: exactly
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[22:34] teadict: if I feel uncomfy on the console, why not go to gedit for a while then come back?
[22:34] teadict: we're humans!
[22:34] torvalamo: sure vim lets you program at 100 mph, but why do you need to do that
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[22:35] gkatsev: because the less time you spend typing, the more time you can spend thinking
[22:35] tbranyen: torvalamo: because life is too short
[22:35] teadict: because of northamerican productivity at work illusion?
[22:35] torvalamo: life being short is another illusion
[22:36] torvalamo: stop thinking about tomorrow
[22:36] pV: life is actually pretty darn long
[22:36] teadict: yes, be more like him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpl5mOAXNl4
[22:36] gkatsev: torvalamo: no, not thinking about tomorrow. thinking about what else you can type/edit at 100mph
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[22:37] teadict: hey, is there this for jade? http://code.google.com/p/zen-coding/
[22:39] pV: you could use that, and then do html2jade.aaron-powell.com
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[22:40] pV: but not directly as far as I know
[22:40] teadict: not good 
[22:40] disappea_: dude it's not about speed
[22:40] teadict: bookmarked that site though, could come in handy
[22:40] disappea_: there's so much gedit cannot provide
[22:40] disappea_: plugins wise of course
[22:40] pV: yeah it isn't perfect, but it helps
[22:40] pV: I threw something in there and spent 5 minutes fixing it up a bit
[22:41] torvalamo: my speed remark wasnt about vim vs gedit
[22:41] torvalamo: it was just about vim
[22:41] pV: but it was easier than rewriting an entire html file
[22:42] mc: anyone have any advice on speeding up a writable file stream?
[22:42] teadict: speed this, speed that
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[22:49] mc: i've found if i throw a bunch of data at it, it slows to a crawl
[22:49] mc: even if i queue and wait for drain events
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[22:53] teadict: alright! jslint into gedit
[22:53] teadict: screw vim :P
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[22:57] teadict: had to remove "import" from jslint's reserved words
[22:57] teadict: tis k
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[23:20] jhbot: 'translate xml to json in node.js' by kalise http://stackoverflow.com/q/8782292 (tags: xml, json, saxparser)
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[23:22] astromanies: how do I keep a node process from exiting? I don't mean deamonizing, I just need it to stay open while a C module does its thing.
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[23:22] bnoordhuis: astromanies: the c module should ref the event loop
[23:22] tbranyen: astromanies: it should
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[23:23] astromanies: @bnoordhuis i didn't write the module so I don't know how to make that so
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[23:24] bnoordhuis: astromanies: what module is it?
[23:24] astromanies: node-sound
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[23:24] bnoordhuis: okay, don't know that one
[23:25] astromanies: and so it doesn't play the file after the node process exists
[23:25] astromanies: simple example https://gist.github.com/1580086
[23:25] bnoordhuis: contact the author. if all else fails, create a timer with a really high timeout and cancel it when the module is done
[23:25] astromanies: ok
[23:25] astromanies: is there a nextTick() way?
[23:26] bnoordhuis: astromanies: not really, using nextTick() would make node spin at 100% cpu
[23:26] astromanies: claro que si
[23:28] marcello3d: anyone here understand this profile stack trace? https://gist.github.com/57f851e04921ef1f4a25
[23:28] marcello3d: Here's the code, I can't figure out where ToString gets called... https://github.com/marcello3d/node-mongolian/blob/master/lib/gridfile.js#L148
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[23:30] astromanies: @marcello3d looks like its a node Buffer 
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[23:31] astromanies: http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/buffers.html#buffer.toString
[23:31] marcello3d: astromanies: sure, but I'm never calling that
[23:31] bnoordhuis: marcello3d: probably this._hash.update() if it's a hash created with crypto.createHash()
[23:31] marcello3d: hmmm
[23:31] marcello3d: but shouldn't that show up in the stack?
[23:32] bnoordhuis: the conversion is done in c++ land
[23:32] marcello3d: but a hash update shouldn't convert anything to strings?
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[23:33] marcello3d: 
ACTION looks at the crypto code

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[23:33] bnoordhuis: marcello3d: https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/472a72d/src/node.cc#L1044 <- val is your buffer
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[23:34] bnoordhuis: presumably we could optimize that if val is a buffer and the caller is only interested in the binary length
[23:35] marcello3d: ah I see
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[23:36] marcello3d: should I make an issue? e.g. "hash.update(buffer) shouldn't call ToString"
[23:36] bnoordhuis: marcello3d: yes please
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[23:40] pV: what's the best way to handle 404s with express? I did app.get('*', function(req, res) { as my last route, but that blocks any stylesheets/js/etc
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[23:46] marcello3d: bnoordhuis: https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/2494
[23:47] astromanies: @pv i think express had built in error code handling
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[23:48] astromanies: @pv app.get('/404', fn)
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[23:50] astromanies: @pV app.get('/404', fn)
[23:50] marcello3d: wow. I just mentioned 'ipad' in a tweet and now I get all this @mention spam
[23:51] bnoordhuis: marcello3d: fixed
[23:51] marcello3d: awesome
[23:52] marcello3d: wow
[23:52] marcello3d: nice speed improvement
[23:52] bnoordhuis: not bad innit?
[23:52] marcello3d: yay for profiling
[23:52] bnoordhuis: quite :)
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[23:52] bnoordhuis: if you find more of these things, by all means report them
[23:53] marcello3d: sure. it's hard to debug though
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[23:53] marcello3d: because the stack trace doesn't tell me the line number
[23:53] marcello3d: the numbers just refer to the function header
[23:53] marcello3d: but I guess that's a sampling problem
[23:54] bnoordhuis: yeah
[23:54] bnoordhuis: joyent's been doing some dtrace work that maps probes back to javascript code
[23:54] marcello3d: I saw the blog post. but that doesn't work on mac, right?
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[23:55] mmalecki: it'd be soooo cool if it did
[23:55] bnoordhuis: no, only smartos. dtrace on os x and freebsd is too broken :/
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[23:55] marcello3d: do you know the difference between * and ~ before function names in the mactickprocessor output is?
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[23:55] joshsmith: okay another Express question: how do I render new lines (\r\n) as HTML line breaks?
[23:56] bnoordhuis: marcello3d: i think so but let me double-check if it's the same for other platforms
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[23:56] bnoordhuis: marcello3d: yep, that's the case
[23:56] astromanies: @johnsmith in html you could use the tag <pre> for "pre formatted"
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[23:57] marcello3d: what's the case?
[23:57] bnoordhuis: * means that the code has been optimized, ~ that it hasn't (yet) been optimized
[23:57] marcello3d: ah
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[23:57] astromanies: johnsmith otherwise you have to parse the string and replace str.replace(/\n/g, '<br />')
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[23:58] disappea_: if I am calling setTimeout(this.myFunction, 4000) and then inside myFunction there's also a reference to 'this'.. how do I bind the correct context
[23:58] joshsmith: does Express not have a built in way of doing that?
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[23:59] astromanies: i dont think so
[23:59] astromanies: not even the template engines do it i dont think
[23:59] marcello3d: disappea_: there is a bind method on functions
[23:59] disappea_: on underscore? 
[23:59] marcello3d: on ecmascript5
[23:59] astromanies: boom