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[00:05] zomg: Hmm.. I wonder if I should make my mongoose models actually be the objects I'm storing in memory while the app is running..
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[00:06] zomg: I have some objects which stay in memory to do various things, but their configuration is stored in mongo... now they just go out of sync whenever I forget to have the in memory ones be updated when saving changes to the configuration
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[00:11] RLa: zomg, can't you just sync them
[00:11] saidinesh5: Ahh .. the 0.6.6 branch seems to properly install  node-waf ..  looks like the build system has been changed or something.. 
[00:11] zomg: RLa: Sure but I keep forgetting to do it whenever I add some new code which changes stuff :D
[00:12] zomg: Perhaps I'll just change it so that the configuration object is referenced to from the in-memory object, that way I wouldn't need to copy values all over the place
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[00:13] RLa: i have an app where i have generic 'stores' and i'm using events to automatically invalidate caches, screen data etc.
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[00:15] RLa: i have bool flags here that mark whether data is dirty and should be updated, an even would only change that flag
[00:15] RLa: it gives very low overhead
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[00:36] Industrial: WOnder if I can use Cloud9 as the Editor/IDE, use NodeJS as the platform and use a hosting service, all so I can do everything from the browser:P?
[00:36] Industrial: Can I do that, deploy to e.g. heroku/joyent from cloud9?
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[00:39] Industrial: oh i see, add a deploy target
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[00:53] cyborg: happy xmas noders
[00:53] orospakr: So, node's FS module seems to assume that all filesystem pathnames are in UTF8.
[00:53] orospakr: This is both broken and sad. :(
[00:54] orospakr: It should use buffers by default.
[00:54] orospakr: I realized this when I got strings back from readdir() with bogus character in them, that if subimitted to open/stat/whatever, will fail with ENOENT.
[00:54] orospakr: and then I said, "wait, shit, those are JS strings I'm getting back as filenames. well crap."
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[00:55] orospakr: it should be returning Buffers, while supporting the input of strings for convenience.
[00:55] orospakr: POSIX pathnames are octet strings, *not* UTF8.
[00:55] RLa: i think this has something to do with v8 encodings support
[00:56] orospakr: RLa, yeah, but encodings are kind of out of scope for filenames.  I mean, I may want to render them to an encoded string at some point, but when I'm still using them at the FS level, UTF-8 or any other encoding is out of scope.
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[00:57] TheJH: orospakr, there's an open issue on GH
[00:57] orospakr: TheJH, ah, good to hear.
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[00:59] TheJH: orospakr, https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/2387
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[01:00] mmalecki: orospakr: it was TheJH :)
[01:01] mmalecki: (that tweet)
[01:01] orospakr: heh!
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[01:02] mmalecki: orospakr: we have this funny bot at #nodejitsu that lets us tweet stuff from the irc
[01:02] TheJH: and it shows some node-related tweets
[01:02] mmalecki: orospakr: https://github.com/nodejitsu/kohai :)
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[01:08] TheJH: nickp_, ping
[01:10] TheJH: meh
[01:11] TheJH: anyone here with publish access to "connect"?
[01:11] TheJH: on npm
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[01:17] disappearedng: hey does node have client side debugging? 
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[01:19] insin: like https://github.com/dannycoates/node-inspector ?
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[01:24] bemson: I've built/installed a local npm module, but don't know how to test it
[01:24] Aria: npm test?
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[01:24] bemson: Aria: I'll look that up - thanks!
[01:26] bemson: Well the test file I made is failing with "node -e test.'s"
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[01:26] bemson: i get some ridiculous errs of files I haven't written (mostly internal I thought)
[01:27] bemson: http://pastebin.com/SjwYQtF9
[01:27] bemson: it may be that my npm module has errs? It's not failing in my quint tests
[01:27] bemson: … not sure what the problem is
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[01:28] bemson: would someone take a look at that pastebin to let me know if it's my node or my module code
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[01:31] bemson: okay - here's an easier one
[01:32] bemson: node -e "console.log
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[01:32] bemson: node -e "console.log(
[01:32] bemson: node -e "console.log('echo')"
[01:32] bemson: ..sheesh
[01:32] bemson: well, that line works
[01:32] bemson: but when I put the same line in a js file it fails
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[01:33] bemson: any ideas?
[01:34] bemson: k, just noticed that I can't pass a file with "-e" argument
[01:35] bemson: it works now with a simple "node test.'s"
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[01:43] JaKWaC: When your redirect output of a program is it buffered before its written to a file? (etc: node script.js >> log.stdout) I'm running a `tail -f` and I don't see the output till after the program finishes.
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[01:50] zodiak: this is perhaps a bit of a 'duh' question/statement.. but.. I normally use scheme and have gotten into clojure, and I have been trying to write node.js in an OO style.. is node/js more fp ?
[01:50] zodiak: I notice my node methods all being about 5-6 lines long.. and it reminds me of clojure a fair bit.. am I mad ?
[01:50] zomg: I guess it depends
[01:51] zomg: When you have state and methods which act on the state you can use OO, when you have lists and such you can map/filter/reduce over them etc.
[01:51] zodiak: zomg, so (in your mind) it's sort of a hybrid of the two ?
[01:51] zomg: Something like that yeah
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[01:52] zodiak: zomg, interesting. I am wondering, which is the way you (personally) write node/js .. more OO or FP ?
[01:53] zodiak: I think I may have been doing js all wrong these years :)
[01:53] jesusabdullah: You really want both.
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[01:53] jesusabdullah: Keep in mind, OO doesn't mean classes
[01:54] zodiak: jesusabdullah, no, I understand OO != only classes (encapsuation, extension, etc) 
[01:54] jesusabdullah: right
[01:54] jesusabdullah: but you're not mad for seeing fp in js
[01:54] zodiak: it's .. definitely curious.
[01:54] zodiak: huzzah!
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[01:55] jesusabdullah: zodiak: http://javascript.crockford.com/javascript.html ctrl-f lisp
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[01:55] jesusabdullah: Not that I'm much of a crockford fan but, yeah
[01:55] zomg: zodiak: I tend to use whichever seems to suit the task best
[01:55] zodiak: *reading*
[01:56] zodiak: HAH! lisp in c's clothing.. interesting :D
[01:56] jesusabdullah: Like, the lisp-like features are intentional
[01:56] jesusabdullah: yeah
[01:56] jesusabdullah: it's fairly well-known
[01:56] zomg: I use map and filter a lot when working with arrays if I need to get a subset or some specific data out (say ID's of all objects)
[01:56] zodiak: zomg, right! I found a library called Udon the other day. Lots of map/foldl etc
[01:56] zomg: but I also use "classes" when it seems reasonable
[01:56] zodiak: jesusabdullah, *phew* :D
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[01:57] zodiak: thanks for the heads up .. and confirming I am not (that) mad ;)
[01:57] zomg: hehe =)
[01:57] insin: JavaScript's tagline should be "yeah, well, that's just like your opinion, or something"
[01:57] zomg: Although I don't really consider JS that functional... say compare to Haskell it's nothing like that =)
[01:58] zodiak: zomg, well, no. it's not =that= level of crazy ;)
[01:58] zomg: It just has the convenient fp-ish ability to pass functions around and anonymous funcs etc.
[01:58] zodiak: then again, I loathe how scala is trying to blend oo and fp .. that language.. bothers me. it .. jst feels .. 'wrong'
[01:58] zomg: Yeah I've heard that comment about Scala before
[01:58] zodiak: hard to explain. personal bias I reckon.
[01:58] jesusabdullah: insin: That's just, like your opinion, man.
[01:58] insin: 'xactly
[01:59] jesusabdullah: js has gotten into its share of tumbles too
[02:00] Dmitrijus: ;]
[02:00] Dmitrijus: no way js is functional
[02:00] zodiak: Dmitrijus, well, no, not 'pure' functional, as it doesn't really have the notion of 'pure functions'
[02:00] zodiak: but.. it's definitely.. well. I ~feel~ fp is lurking under the covers ;)
[02:01] zodiak: (there I go, using my 'feeling words' again)
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[02:01] zodiak: as I said, open to be wrong/mad :D
[02:02] zomg: Are you a woman? You seem to feel a lot of things
[02:02] zomg: ;>
[02:03] zodiak: zomg, it's what 6 years of therapy and about 20 of irc have taught me. make sure to express feelings clearly
[02:03] zodiak: otherwise people take your statements as facts and .. flame on
[02:03] zomg: haha
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[02:03] zomg: that was a way too honest reply to my stupid joke
[02:03] zodiak: zomg, meh .. it's all good. I am also canadian so .. we tend to express our feelings a lot ;D
[02:03] Dmitrijus: zodiak: well, having pure functions is much more important imo :) 
[02:04] zodiak: Dmitrijus, agreed. I *heart* clojure for it's purity, but I also *heart* node for it's "get stuff done' ;>
[02:04] Dmitrijus: zodiak: i mean, hey, you can even pass functions in c! :)
[02:05] zodiak: Dmitrijus, if I ever write a webapp in C, please shoot me
[02:05] Shaunzie: zodiak: It's not that bad ^_^
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[02:05] TheJH: http://blog.fefe.de/ - a very minimalistic blog (no comments or whatever), written in C by Fefe :D
[02:05] zodiak: Shaunzie, you are evil incarnate sir/madam
[02:06] zodiak: the only thing that could be worse than a C webapp, would be a C++ with STL webapp
[02:06] TheJH: well, you can't say it's slow :D
[02:06] zodiak: haH!
[02:06] Shaunzie: C++ would actually be better cause it would be easier than C :P
[02:07] zodiak: oh mercy. have you ever tried debugging C++ errors with a STL problem ? half a page output.. bleurgh :)
[02:07] Dmitrijus: oh dude
[02:07] Dmitrijus: c++ is the crap++
[02:07] Dmitrijus: c++ IS NO WAY EASIER
[02:07] Shaunzie: O.O
[02:08] tjfontaine: blame gnu, clang+llvm is better
[02:08] Shaunzie: STL isn't that bad :-/
[02:10] tjfontaine: also re: c++ webapp an interesting framework is http://www.webtoolkit.eu/wt it didn't make me want to completely tear out my eyes
[02:10] jesusabdullah: I suspect that c++'s biggest problem is just its size, and that if you stick to a manageable subset you're okay
[02:10] jesusabdullah: my understanding are that a lot of projects end up choosing some manageable subset of c++ to focus on, often dictated by their choices in libraries
[02:10] jesusabdullah: but idk that much about it truth be told
[02:10] jesusabdullah: I just read wikipedia sometimes :)
[02:10] Dmitrijus: jesusabdullah: true indeed :)
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[02:11] Dmitrijus: jesusabdullah: but why not just choose c?
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[02:11] tjfontaine: because sometimes not having to rewrite an object model is helpful
[02:11] TroyMG: anyone know of an alternative to https://github.com/caolan/forms that is actually maintained?
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[02:12] Dmitrijus: but let's stop this eternal c++ flamewar and continue on having silence related to node.js :)
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[02:12] jesusabdullah: Dmitrijus: Maybe you like some of c++'s features but not all of them
[02:13] jesusabdullah: for example, I believe v8 uses templates like crazy
[02:13] jesusabdullah: At least, this is what I've heard
[02:13] jesusabdullah: maybe templates are really cool or something XD
[02:13] Shaunzie: TroyMG: not that I know of , but I stopped looking. I ended up making better use of partials, helpers and node-validator+express-validator
[02:13] jesusabdullah: tjfontaine: have you heard of the gobject system?
[02:13] Aria: V8 uses templates, but not in crazy ways.
[02:13] tjfontaine: jesusabdullah: have you *looked* at that awful copypaste mess?
[02:13] Aria: Actually, it's a reasonably good problem space for templates.
[02:13] TroyMG: thanks Shaunzie. thats too bad, but I guess I'll go down the same path
[02:13] jesusabdullah: Aria: But to a significant capacity right? That's what I meant
[02:14] Aria: (Since it's managing another language's resources, templates are a reasonable fit.)
[02:14] Aria: ("Typenameonourside<ObjectTypeFromTheOtherSide>")
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[02:14] Dmitrijus: Aria: hm, cool :)
[02:14] tjfontaine: also you dont' get to argue the weight of c++ and suggest gobject in the same conversation
[02:14] Shaunzie: Templates are actually kinda cool when used well. Really cool, scary as hell, but still really cool :3
[02:15] Aria: V8 doesn't exercise templates in ways that make the size balloon -- STL, on the other hand, does. Watch compilation time go through the roof as the compiler makes specializations for each instance of a type when it's used pervasively.
[02:15] jesusabdullah: tjfontaine: I haven't! I just think it's interesting that they would develop this gobject thing instead of using c++
[02:15] jesusabdullah: I wonder why they did it
[02:15] Aria: V8 keeps the number of combinations down.
[02:15] Dmitrijus: Shaunzie: well, complex, harder to debug and so on. :)
[02:15] Aria: Hehe. gobject is actually also really excellent. It's pretty much OOP done in C as well as you can do OOP in C. It's clean, extensible, understandable.
[02:16] Dmitrijus: Aria: yep
[02:16] Aria: Also, closer to the metal than most uses of C++
[02:16] Aria: You can really see what it's doing.
[02:16] tjfontaine: gobject has its use cases, but it's not a swiss army knife to be sure
[02:16] Shaunzie: Dmitrijus: yah more or less. but sometimes the benefits out way the risks :3
[02:17] Dmitrijus: Shaunzie: _sometimes_ :)
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[02:40] Kami_: idm
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[02:46] Dmitrijus: Kami_: idm?
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[03:23] Brandon_R: hey guys
[03:23] Brandon_R: what is string decoder in node.js?
[03:23] Brandon_R: it isn't in the docs
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[03:26] Lingerance: Brandon_R: "string decoder"?
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[03:26] Brandon_R: http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/string_decoder.html
[03:27] Brandon_R: is that like some sort of encryption module
[03:27] nicholasf: hi, so what's currently the best resource for learning node.js
[03:27] nicholasf: ?
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[03:28] Brandon_R: just getting in there and writiing an app i would say is the best way to learn
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[03:29] Lingerance: Brandon_R: I think it's for utf stuff
[03:29] Lingerance: crypto is for encryption
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[03:31] Brandon_R: kool
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[03:38] blaenk: hey how can I close stdout? it seems that since 0.6.1 you cannot
[03:38] Aria: !
[03:38] blaenk: I want to do it because of a bug in a program I have to use, where it blocks if you run an external process that writes to stdout
[03:38] blaenk: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2394750/what-happens-when-a-process-is-forked/2394960#2394960
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[03:39] blaenk: supposedly if you close stdout it will have nothing to read/wait on and so it doesn't block
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[03:39] Brandon_R: what do you guys think of zeromq?
[03:39] Brandon_R: in node
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[03:42] zomg: Brandon_R: must be good if BF3 uses it!
[03:42] Aria: Interesting protocol.
[03:42] zomg: although not in node :P
[03:43] Brandon_R: zeromq looks like it would be good in node
[03:43] Brandon_R: same concepts like asyncio and epoll/kqueue etc
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[03:44] Aria: blaenk: new fs.SyncWriteStream(1).end()
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[03:44] blaenk: Aria: thank you I will try that
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[03:45] Aria: Brandon_R: It insists on threading. Its runtime is kind of "we take over for you", which isn't so friendly to node -- it works, but it's a bit alien. But the concepts and goals are very node-like.
[03:45] Brandon_R: that's where i became a little iffy too
[03:45] blaenk: Aria: I think it worked :) thank you, seems like that's the work around to just doing process.stdout.end()
[03:45] Aria: Yep.
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[03:45] Aria: I'm not sure why process.stdout is disallowed now.
[03:45] Aria: I blame windows.
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[03:46] blaenk: haha
[03:46] mmalecki: disallowed?
[03:46] Aria: (I'd love to see zeromq's protocols implemented in node, without 0mq's runtime)
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[03:46] Aria: mmalecki: process.stdout.end()
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[03:46] Aria: try it.
[03:46] mmalecki: why the hell?
[03:47] Aria: I'd love to know.
[03:47] Lingerance: Aria: there is a zmq module...
[03:47] mmalecki: meh, I'm going to sleep anyway, 04:47, lol
[03:47] Aria: Lingerance: Right, which is a binding to the zmq runtime
[03:47] Lingerance: Ah
[03:47] Lingerance: What's so bad about their runtime?
[03:48] Aria: It's alien to node, it pretends to be socketey, but it's not at all.
[03:48] Dmitrijus: mmalecki: haha, where do you live? i have the same time! :)
[03:48] mmalecki: night, #node.js. marry christmas, if there's still christmas somwehre
[03:48] mmalecki: Dmitrijus: Poland
[03:48] mmalecki: Dmitrijus: you?
[03:48] Dmitrijus: mmalecki: netherlands, isee :)
[03:48] Brandon_R: so zeromq's ideas in node sounds fun
[03:48] mmalecki: Dmitrijus: hah :), silly timezones
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[03:48] mmalecki: but yeah, anyway, night
[03:48] Dmitrijus: bye :)
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[03:53] Brandon_R: why not just a zeromq bindings since it's c++
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[03:53] Brandon_R: zeromq is mean't to be language agnostic
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[04:12] marshall: hey node
[04:13] marshall: how do I re-require a module that I've just edited without exiting the REPL?
[04:15] Aria: munge require.cache
[04:15] marshall: munge?
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[04:15] Aria: delete require.cache[require.resolve('yourlib')]
[04:15] Aria: munge means "mess with". Sorry.
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[04:16] TheJH: node agent is stupid. hold open those connections! :(
[04:17] TheJH: if I have a DB, I want a bunch of persistent connections, not one per request :(
[04:18] Aria: The http agent?
[04:18] Aria: You don't have to use it.
[04:22] TheJH: Aria, well, I want pooling and so on
[04:22] TheJH: Aria, and I want request to work with it
[04:23] Aria: Aaah.
[04:23] Aria: So you just want a delay before the close-if-nothing-is-waiting?
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[04:40] marshall: Aria: oh, thanks.
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[04:41] marshall: now I'm having trouble looking over some database tasks
[04:41] marshall: I'm trying to write a pair of functions that, when given a list of database names, it will try to create those databases
[04:42] marshall: of course, the database creation part is async and it simply isn't working
[04:42] marshall: and I have no idea why
[04:42] marshall: I'll draw up an example
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[04:44] paulmillr: hey folks
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[04:45] paulmillr: My class extends EventEmitter. Would it be idiomatic to emit events with errors?
[04:45] paulmillr:      this.emit(‘write’, error, result)
[04:45] paulmillr: Or I need to emit another event?
[04:45] paulmillr:     this.emit(‘writeError’, error)
[04:46] context: paulmillr: id stick to convention
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[04:46] context: its what people are use to, its what they expect
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[04:47] paulmillr: yea, I know convention on callbacks, but it isn’t a callback. it is event.
[04:48] marshall: http://codr.cc/s/9f3d77da/js
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[04:50] zomg: paulmillr: don't they usually come with an 'error' event.. so I'd use something like that
[04:50] zomg: Do note that if you emit an 'error' it will always cause an exception to be thrown if you don't have a listener for it
[04:51] paulmillr: nice. thanks for info
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[04:52] zomg: marshall: is that a question in disguise?
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[04:56] marshall: zomg: I asked the question before I wrote that codr
[04:57] marshall: zomg: I'm trying to loop over some database names and create each one asyncronously, but it's not working at all
[04:57] context: marshall: "isnt working"
[04:57] marshall: zomg: any idea why?
[04:57] context: please explain "it dont work" more
[04:57] marshall: context: only the last item in the list of database names gets created
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[04:58] context: well create_the_db is being called. did you try checning the err object ?
[04:58] context: id look there and check your create_the_db code
[04:59] zomg: marshall: the issue is the typical closure in a loop issue
[04:59] context: ahh, hahaha
[04:59] context: zomg: good catch
[05:00] zomg: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Guide/Closures#Creating_closures_in_loops:_A_common_mistake
[05:00] zomg: marshall: check that if you don't know what I mean :)
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[05:00] marshall: ok
[05:01] marshall: 
ACTION was just starting to think he knew javascript

[05:01] zomg: hehe
[05:02] zomg: Most people will stumble with that specific case, but once you understand how closures work it's pretty straightforward
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[05:10] context: http://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/cool-stuff/sex-green-women-dennis-hof-opening-scifi-themed-brothel-nevada.html
[05:10] context: can you say hot !
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[05:14] jesusabdullah: wat
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[05:37] Aria: Yarr. Screw it, I'm going to bed.
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[05:37] Aria: the port to Windows has killed SCM_RIGHTS support in the generic case so badly that I can't do what I want without a lot of C++.
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[05:38] nicholasf: what's the best lib to use for unit testing my express app?
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[05:43] thelifelessone: can anyone tell me why express isn't serving my static files?
[05:44] thelifelessone: I've configured it exactly the same way as the example project does, and I've even tried passing them through a route, and it still refuses to work.
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[05:45] nicholasf: thelifelessone: you're still having this problem?
[05:45] thelifelessone: nicholasf: Yep.
[05:45] thelifelessone: I can't figure out why the hell it refuses to work
[05:46] TroyMG: nicholasf: mocha is pretty sweet http://visionmedia.github.com/mocha/
[05:47] nicholasf: TroyMG: cheers, I'm looking into node-jasmine right now
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[05:47] nicholasf: 
ACTION looks at mocha

[05:49] nicholasf: yeh ok, I'll give mocha a go
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[05:53] nicholasf: thelifelessone: I'm a bit suspect about what you are doing but I'll paste a sample of my express server that serves from a static dir to you
[05:54] nicholasf: https://gist.github.com/1522832
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[06:06] benvie: are you guys ready for more color in node?
[06:06] Dmitrijus: wait, what?
[06:07] benvie: my update to util.inspect should land sometime soon
[06:07] Lingerance: My code is plenty colorful enough
[06:07] benvie: actually a lot more than color
[06:07] benvie: but also has color
[06:07] Dmitrijus: awesome
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[06:08] Dmitrijus: 
ACTION dislikes color, but likes updates! :)

[06:08] Dmitrijus: colors*
[06:08] pquerna: more color, more updates
[06:08] pquerna: are you not pleased!
[06:08] benvie: yeah the color can be turned off
[06:08] TroyMG: out of curiosity, does console.log(o) pass through to util.inspect if o is not a string?
[06:08] benvie: yeah all the console stuff does
[06:09] benvie: er
[06:09] benvie: if you inspect an object
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[06:09] Dmitrijus: benvie: sure sure :)
[06:09] benvie: if it's formatted it's util.inspect
[06:09] TroyMG: k, thats what I thought
[06:09] TroyMG: I stopped using util.inspect because console.log seemed to do the same thing if passed an object rather than a string
[06:10] benvie: util.inspect just let's you set the options manually
[06:10] benvie: like if you want more depth
[06:10] benvie: I have another project for adding a lot more stuff to the repl too
[06:10] TroyMG: ah, k thanks
[06:10] benvie: like .depth 4
[06:10] benvie: .hiddens
[06:10] benvie: .colors
[06:10] benvie: .builtins
[06:10] benvie: toggles for that stuff
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[06:11] TroyMG: nice. looking fwd to the colors :-)
[06:11] benvie: also fixed contexts, the ability to generate more contexts and cycle through them
[06:11] benvie: with color coded labeling for them
[06:11] benvie: it's awesome
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[06:12] benvie: http://bbenvie.com/img/inspect.png
[06:12] benvie: that's with hiddens showing
[06:12] benvie: hidden properties are darker
[06:12] benvie: readonly only are cyan
[06:12] benvie: dark and bight representing enumerable or not
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[06:13] benvie: useless hidden properties on functions are hidden so inspecting with hiddens on isn't filled with clutter
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[06:14] benvie: it quotes strings with the quote that would result in the least amount of backslashes to escape the string so most of the time quotes don't need to be escaped
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[06:14] cyborg: b
[06:14] TroyMG: thats clever
[06:15] benvie: the test cases for that are funny
[06:15] benvie: assert.equal(util.inspect("''\""), '"\'\'\\""');
[06:15] Shaunzie: https://github.com/tblobaum/express-subdomains === love
[06:17] TroyMG: Shaunzie: thats slick. watched
[06:19] benvie: also an addition to the repl so that if you type a builtin libraries name as a command it auto requires it for you
[06:19] benvie: fs
[06:19] benvie: and adds it to the context
[06:20] Lingerance: Huzzah!
[06:20] Lingerance: That'll be in 0.6.7?
[06:21] benvie: no, that one I'm waiting for feedback on the pull request
[06:21] benvie: submitted it during the christmas exodus
[06:21] benvie: the more complicated context stuff I'm going to make as a module for now
[06:22] benvie: that completely redoes the way things are set up in new VM contexts because the way node does it now is broken. But having fixed it with some javascript magic, it's friggen awesome
[06:22] benvie: I set it up so pageup, pagedown cycles the contexts
[06:22] benvie: and they're all isolated contexts with their own stuff and inspect works
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[06:23] benvie: you can add new ones with ctrl+insert and delete them with ctrl+delete
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[06:23] benvie: and by adding a module command to the repl you can require modules on the context without having to ever expose the require function or anything to the context
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[06:45] devaholic: hm
[06:45] butu5: yup.. bit annoying?
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[06:52] dr0id: hi /notifybot[\d]?/
[06:55] butu5: dr0id: it won't do anything as of.. u want it do something?? any standard?
[06:55] dr0id: yes
[06:58] butu5: dr0id: currently it just read from #node.js channel and sending me some notification 
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[07:39] eddyb: what's the standard way right now to create a native module?
[07:39] eddyb: I mean, the building system and stuff
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[07:58] deoxxa: is there a way to make node-binary loop over a single buffer until it's completely drained?
[07:58] deoxxa: .loop seems to almost do it, but it'd be recursive
[07:59] deoxxa: which isn't exactly what i want
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[08:00] eladb: anyone knows of a good way to autogen metadata on REST interfaces from node.js code? 
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[08:08] mytrile: Hey, guys. Can you recommend me a module for creating fake request for testing purposes ?
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[08:16] epeleg: can anyone here help with compilation of node.js in debian lenny ?
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[08:17] epeleg: anyone here at all?
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[08:18] epeleg: can anyone here help with compilation of node.js in debian lenny ?
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[08:20] hlysig: Morning.
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[08:27] deoxxa: epeleg: asking every minute or so won't help - but since you seem to have figured that out, what's up?
[08:27] deoxxa: epeleg: where are you up to so far?
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[08:32] context: dead night on irc
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[08:36] CIA-109: node: 03koichik 07master * rb962ff3 10/ lib/tls.js : 
[08:36] CIA-109: node: tls: fix test-https-client-reject fails
[08:36] CIA-109: node: Fixes #2417. - http://git.io/_SkASA
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[08:45] epeleg: deoxxa: I have tried git clone https://github.com/joyent/node.git
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[08:45] epeleg: deoxxa: but I get error: The requested URL returned error: 403
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[08:46] epeleg: deoxxa: I am new to the unix arena
[08:46] CIA-109: node: 03koichik 07v0.6 * ra337ac7 10/ (lib/http.js test/simple/test-http-pipe-fs.js): 
[08:46] CIA-109: node: http: fix XMLHttpRequest piped in a writable file stream hangs next request
[08:46] CIA-109: node: Fixes #2263. - http://git.io/4wTdeQ
[08:46] CIA-109: node: 03koichik 07v0.6 * re1c043f 10/ (13 files): 
[08:46] CIA-109: node: docs: fix docs to not suggest variable leaks
[08:46] CIA-109: node: Fixes #2106. - http://git.io/ZucbaQ
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[09:11] djazz: im getting an error after a while on my http node.js server: src/uv-common.c:58: uv_err_name: Assertion `0' failed. Aborted (SIGABRT)
[09:12] djazz: no js error
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[09:16] chjj: djazz: looks like there was no specified error number in the error map if that assertion failed: https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/deps/uv/include/uv.h#L69
[09:18] djazz: hm?
[09:18] chjj: djazz: what version?
[09:18] djazz: v0.6.1
[09:19] djazz: but i upgraded to 0.6.6 now
[09:19] chjj: hmm
[09:20] mytrile: epeleg: Download the tar.gz from the website
[09:20] chjj: djazz: just curious, are you on windows? 
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[09:20] djazz: no, linux
[09:21] djazz: ubuntu 10.04.3
[09:21] chjj: weird
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[09:21] mytrile: epeleg: http://nodejs.org/dist/v0.6.6/node-v0.6.6.tar.gz
[09:21] chjj: should probably post an issue if you get it again
[09:21] djazz: chjj: i found this https://github.com/joyent/libuv/issues/206
[09:21] chjj: with 0.6.6
[09:22] chjj: :O
[09:22] djazz: its closed
[09:22] djazz: ah
[09:22] djazz: ye
[09:22] chjj: yeah, must be fixed now then
[09:22] djazz: i run 11 nodejs servers, on different ports
[09:23] djazz: http/websocket servers
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[10:04] context: djazz: use anything to manage them?
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[10:05] mechanicles: Hi
[10:05] mechanicles: all
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[10:06] davetayls: hey, does anyone know any good node modules for indexing and searching a bunch of text logs
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[10:07] djazz: the servers? no..
[10:07] djazz: vnc?
[10:07] djazz: :)
[10:07] mechanicles: Please tell me, how to set environment variables in nodejs, means if i'm in production I want to set one url reference and if I'm in development I want to set other url. How could I do that?
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[10:14] context: davetayls: a doc store. mongo, Riak or something similar. 
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[10:15] context: or an normal db with something like ElasticSearch or solr
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[10:16] davetayls: context: ok, i'll read up on those...they are all foreign to me :oS
[10:17] davetayls: context: thanks for the pointer
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[10:18] context: mechanicles: process.env
[10:18] context: mechanicles: http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/process.html
[10:19] context: davetayls: those are what i would use.  not sure on specific modules
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[10:22] djazz: context: how you mean manage?
[10:22] djazz: handle crashes etc?
[10:24] insin: anyone using mocha with Node's assert module? Is it expected/right that it eats the description of why a test failed if you provide a message when doing an assertion?
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[10:26] mechanicles: context: thanks...
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[10:47] praveen_: Hi All
[10:47] praveen_: latest build of node.js failed 
[10:47] praveen_: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8643635/node-js-build-failed-with-task-cxx-node-zlib-cc
[10:47] praveen_: Build failed: -> task failed (err #1): {task: cxx node_zlib.cc -> node_zlib_5.o} make: * [program] Error 1
[10:48] praveen_: any help or workaround?
[10:49] `3rdEden: any node-mongodb-native users around?
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[10:55] Shaunzie: `3rdEden: vicariously through mongoose :-/
[10:55] `3rdEden: Shaunzie have you ever closed your mongodb server while you where connected with hit?
[10:56] `3rdEden: Because the node-mongodb-native driver keeps reporting it's connected, while the server is dead.
[10:56] Shaunzie: Are you sure it's actually hitting the server?
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[10:58] Shaunzie: Even if mongd isn't running, it's still possible to launch my app which uses mongoose. 
[10:58] Shaunzie: I can navigate around to all all the pages until I actually hit the server, then node crashes like a fat mat after thanksgiving :D
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[11:08] shinuza: praveen_: what version of g++?
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[11:08] praveen_: @shinuza, after installing openssl-devel i am able to do make install
[11:08] praveen_: thanks
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[11:10] praveen_: # node bash: node: command not found
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[11:10] praveen_: after successful installtion, node command is not working
[11:10] praveen_: what setting is required in PATH
[11:11] shinuza: praveen_: `which node`
[11:11] praveen_: node.js
[11:11] praveen_: on linux
[11:11] shinuza: then that
[11:11] shinuza: :)
[11:11] `3rdEden: shinuza lol, sure I can navigate around and get tons of 500 errors on my app. But the connection is still shown as connected, and the mongodb driver isn't even attempting to reconnect :)
[11:11] shinuza: if you did set a prefix I guess it should be in /usr/local/bin/
[11:11] praveen_: i am able to see man node
[11:11] shinuza: didn't*
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[11:12] praveen_: let me check
[11:12] shinuza: `3rdEden: hum ok, probably not me you were looking for
[11:12] `3rdEden: =p
[11:12] shinuza: :p
[11:12] `3rdEden: shinuza thanks for your input non the less <3!
[11:13] shinuza: my pleasure
[11:13] shinuza: beer?
[11:13] praveen_:  echo $PATH /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/opt/aws/bin
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[11:15] shinuza: praveen_: ls /usr/local/bin
[11:15] shinuza: praveen_: ls /usr/local/bin | grep node
[11:15] shinuza: even better
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[11:44] benvie: I wish windows has more than 16 colors
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[11:54] insin: is there a way to explicitly control whitespace before/after elements/text in Jade?
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[12:03] eddyb: can I get an example of a native module?
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[12:10] shinuza: eddyb: in c++?
[12:10] eddyb: yes
[12:10] shinuza: https://github.com/shinuza/node-cc-module-boilerplate
[12:10] eddyb: I hope that's with gyp
[12:11] eddyb: dammit
[12:11] eddyb: shinuza: does it work in the latest release?
[12:11] shinuza: eddyb: yes
[12:11] eddyb: I heard waf was deprecated :|
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[12:11] shinuza: eddyb: probably, I hope it will be because the version bundled with nodejs is super outdated
[12:12] shinuza: it does compile properly with the latest node version
[12:12] shinuza: the example doesn't provide input on non-blocking ops tho
[12:13] eddyb: let me see what files are installed by the nodejs package...
[12:15] eddyb: shinuza: there's no gyp installed
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[12:15] shinuza: eddyb: is this supposed to be a problem?
[12:16] eddyb: I think indutny lied/confused me
[12:16] eddyb: ok, so I can just reuse some simple waf script
[12:17] shinuza: eddyb: as of now yes
[12:17] shinuza: but now that you mention it, there are some gyp references in the HEAD of the node git repo
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[12:18] shinuza: maybe there will be a move towards this in the future
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[12:19] shinuza: eddyb: I think both gyp and waf are bundled
[12:19] shinuza: fuck
[12:19] shinuza: :)
[12:20] eddyb: shinuza: HEAD uses gyp
[12:20] eddyb: actually, 0.6 uses gyp
[12:20] eddyb: but it's not used for .node modules
[12:21] shinuza: ok
[12:21] eddyb: [14:20] <indutny> eddyb: node is going to use gyp since 0.7.x version
[12:22] eddyb: not sure how proper is "going to .... since .... " :)
[12:22] shinuza: ok
[12:23] shinuza: going to
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[13:12] wingie: whats the difference between having "0.9" and "0.9.x" as version nr in a package.json file?
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[13:18] nail_: wingie: there's none
[13:19] wingie: nail_: aight
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[13:23] tuhoojabotti: Hmm
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[13:24] tuhoojabotti: Has anyone written HTCPCP module extending node's http module?
[13:26] wingie: trying to install dnode but I get "Error: `tar "-zmvxpf" ..."
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[13:28] wingie: im on mac os x and it seems that dnode is using another version of tar
[13:28] wingie: anyone knows how to solve this problem?
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[13:40] zomg: wingie: you could try installing tar from macports, iirc it has those flags the osx one doesn't
[13:43] wingie: hate macport :(
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[13:44] wingie: i created an issue .. perhaps another flag could be used so it will work on Mac
[13:46] wingie: https://github.com/isaacs/npm/issues/1819
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[14:29] postwait: pquerna / ryah : looks like all the multicast/broadcast stuff on dgram is "not implemented" in v0.6?
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[14:36] draginx: Why does http://danieldurante.com/ show up as 404 on IE but not in Chrome? O_o
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[14:39] yorick: I want to make a site with some registering + authentication and then some user administration (with privileges that can be allocated)
[14:39] yorick: is there any framework for this? what database should I use?
[14:40] mongrelion: there are plenty of web frameworks for nodejs out there
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[14:41] mongrelion: expressjs, geddyjs, flatironjs, just to list a few
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[14:43] mongrelion: and I think either relational or no-relational databases fit your need, yorick 
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[14:44] yorick: mongrelion: it's mostly for a data-viewing webinterface. the admin sets up devices and sets up users to be able to access certain devices. the data may come from elsewhere, it is frequently updated
[14:46] mongrelion: I'd go for mongodb in that case
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[14:46] mongrelion: painless denormalization :D
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[14:50] wingie: yorick: i would use express since its the most mature one
[14:51] wingie: and have a look at Neo4j and see if it fits
[14:51] yorick: wingie: does it work with 0.6?
[14:51] wingie: good for handling user privilegies
[14:51] wingie: yes
[14:51] wingie: im on 0.6.6
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[15:03] cstamas: hi
[15:03] cstamas: I am having build problems with node 0.6.6
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[15:04] cstamas: http://pastebin.com/6gLfRewg
[15:04] cstamas: thx
[15:05] wmage: I got 99 problems but a build ain't one
[15:05] wmage: sorry I'm not helpful
[15:05] cstamas: :)
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[15:14] cstamas: wtf? node needs zsh?
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[15:15] Lingerance: cstamas: It does not
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[15:15] cstamas: Lingerance: I installed zsh, now it builds ok
[15:16] cstamas: I am building in a zsh environment
[15:16] Lingerance: Probably an env-var difference
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[15:16] cstamas: maybe then some enviroment thing
[15:16] cstamas: Lingerance: yup
[15:16] cstamas: i took a while to find out
[15:16] cstamas: strace to the rescue
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[15:21] RLa: anyone tied backend written in qt into node js?
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[15:22] RLa: i wonder what options are there
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[15:23] RLa: run qt backend as normal app and communicate through stdin/out or make native module out of it
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[15:33] hemanth: new to node, trying to get "test" out of the ulr like example.com/test ; url.parse(req.url).pathname will give be /test
[15:33] hemanth: which is the right way of doing it ?
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[15:34] hemanth: SubStack:  meow
[15:34] mongrelion: hemanth: fancy a middleware? :)
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[15:36] hemanth: replace(/.*\/|\.[^.]*$/g, ''); ?
[15:36] niloy: hi, can someone tell me if accessing mac address is possible in node?
[15:36] hemanth: mongrelion: kina ;)
[15:36] mongrelion: hemanth: use connect :)
[15:36] hemanth: niloy: yes
[15:36] hemanth: mongrelion: roger that 
[15:37] niloy: hemanth: can you plz tell me how?
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[15:42] hemanth: niloy: require('child_process').spawn()
[15:42] magnetik: hi
[15:43] magnetik: I'm using a https.createServer but I want to save a few things related to each "session", is there any support buit-in in node ?
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[15:46] niloy_: is it possible to access mac address of hosts connecting via http?
[15:47] slickplaid: niloy_, no. I don't believe so.
[15:47] slickplaid: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3309122/get-mac-address-from-http-request
[15:47] niloy_: slidckplaid: is it an issue with node or just the way tcp/ip stack is built?
[15:48] piscisaureus_: hey, any npm experts here?
[15:48] niloy_: slickplaid: thanks
[15:49] slickplaid: niloy_, the way networking works, not an issue with node.
[15:49] slickplaid: piscisaureus_, i hear isaacs is pretty good at it
[15:49] piscisaureus_: yeah but isaacs is not around
[15:50] piscisaureus_: I am looking for an npm command that reads package.json and installs all dependencies
[15:50] slickplaid: doesn't `npm install .` work? 
[15:50] tuhoojabotti: :D
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[15:53] piscisaureus_: hmm
[15:53] piscisaureus_: :-)
[15:53] niloy_: how can I check in node if a particular package is installed or not?
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[15:54] tuhoojabotti: niloy_: Apparently, it is possible to get mac address from the router with an iframe exploit.
[15:54] tuhoojabotti: :D
[15:54] mongrelion: lol
[15:54] niloy_: tuhoojabotti: really? but I am talking about node here?
[15:55] tuhoojabotti: niloy_: Sure, but yeah the point is you can't
[15:55] tuhoojabotti: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ctRfWnisSk it's funny though
[15:55] slickplaid: s/cant/shouldnt/
[15:56] slickplaid: if you really want their mac address, you can probably get it somehow
[15:56] tuhoojabotti: True
[15:56] slickplaid: but the question is, do you /really/ need it?
[15:56] slickplaid: kind of a privacy thing, I would think
[15:56] niloy_: i made a nodejs server for use in our office, I want to be able to display names instead of IP, but everyone has dynamic IP, so mac address would help
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[15:57] Pilate: or you could just implement some sort of auth
[15:57] slickplaid: niloy_, if you network is set up properly, you can probably get it... but why use a MAC address for that? why not auth or ip?
[15:57] tuhoojabotti: set up static ips
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[15:57] niloy_: everyone has dynamic IP, auth is overkill
[15:58] Pilate: 'enter your name' is more overkill than trying to get mac addresses via a router exploit?
[15:58] slickplaid: cookies? sessions? trivial to implement
[15:58] niloy_: 'enter your name' is simple but can be faked too easily
[15:58] slickplaid: ahh you guys are killing me... I'm suppose to be working :D
[15:58] RLa: display names instead of IP <- what names? human or dns?
[15:58] Pilate: youre using it for your office
[15:58] niloy_: RLa: human names
[15:59] tuhoojabotti: Some one kick slickplaid 
[15:59] niloy_: Pilate: yes
[15:59] Pilate: how much of a problem will 'faking' be? and if faking is an issue, you can fake mac addresses
[15:59] Pilate: in which case your whole system is garbage
[15:59] slickplaid: tuhoojabotti, don't tempt them, I've been kicked out of here before :D
[15:59] niloy_: Pilate: I know, but they aint that tech savvy
[15:59] tuhoojabotti: lol
[15:59] RLa: is there central ldap in office, mybe you can use that?
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[16:00] slickplaid: how big of an office? how many segments? Just rig the dhcp to hand out static ip's for each mac
[16:00] slickplaid: then you have an IP tied to the mac address
[16:01] slickplaid: then use the IP
[16:01] niloy_: slickplaid: that is possible, but thats not my job!
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[16:03] slickplaid: there is probably a hundered and one ways you can go about this, but every one we've suggested you don't want to do... why are you so hung up on the mac address solution and *only* using a mac address?
[16:03] tuhoojabotti: niloy_: It's actually in the beginning of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJtmZZGcR54
[16:04] niloy_: because its transparent to the end user, appears like a magic :D
[16:04] niloy_: tujoojabotti: lemme check it out
[16:05] tjfontaine: you could use the node pcap stuff and get the mac address that way
[16:05] tjfontaine: lots of overhead
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[16:06] tjfontaine: get a request, look at the ip, do an arp request
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[16:08] niloy_: tjfontaine: thanks, will look into it, do you have a link?
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[16:09] niloy_: tujoojabotti: the link seems interesting, thanks
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[16:11] tuhoojabotti: niloy_: It's tuhoojabotti. But yeah, it's funny.
[16:12] tjfontaine: niloy_: quick and easy would be on request, pass the ip and exec arp command line
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[16:12] niloy_: tjfontaine: oh yeh thanks
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[16:24] cstamas: github seems to have errors
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[16:37] zwiep: any good example / blog online that explains in detail how to create your own Readable/Writable Stream?
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[16:46] Brandon_R: Hey guys
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[17:37] cstamas: I am watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lP0sBwv46c
[17:37] cstamas: but i do not have hookio-repl
[17:38] pksunkara: cstamas: which hookio version are you using?
[17:38] pksunkara: if 0.8.x, try hookio --repl
[17:38] cstamas: oh, ok
[17:38] cstamas: I tried with one dash
[17:39] cstamas: thx
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[17:39] Naked: arrrhg, this is driving me nuts!
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[17:40] Naked: where in nodejs is the behaviour implemented that when a stream's 'data' listener throws an exception, an 'error' is emitted and the stream is closed?
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[17:40] Naked: I've tried to trace this from the source code from both 0.4.12 which is in debian and 0.6.6 which is the latest
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[17:41] Naked: there seems to be a plain self.emit('data', value); call with no try/catch block around it - and this function seems to be called directly as an onread callback from the C-side
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[17:42] Naked: and the C-side seems to call FatalException if the callback given there throws something
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[17:45] Naked: I'm getting a bit desperate here...
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[17:47] AndreasMadsen: Naked: What is the problem really?
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[17:49] Naked: AndreasMadsen: the plain EventEmitter doesn't catch exceptions, so calling emit() on it will just propagate the exception to the caller if some listener throws an exception
[17:49] Naked: AndreasMadsen: however, this doesn't seem to be the case for TCP connections, where if a 'data' event listener throws an exception, an 'error' event is emitted and the stream closed
[17:50] Naked: AndreasMadsen: and I'm trying to find out the lines in the code where this behaviour is implemented...
[17:50] AndreasMadsen: Naked: I have seen that code line - standby
[17:50] Naked: AndreasMadsen: for 'connect' event this is obvious: try { this.emit('connect'); } catch (e) { this.destroy(e); return; }
[17:51] Naked: AndreasMadsen: but I can't find out which part of code does it for 'data'
[17:51] Naked: AndreasMadsen: thanks for looking in to it
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[17:52] AndreasMadsen: Naked: This was the code I was thinking about https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/lib/events.js#L40-54 but that is not you issue, right?
[17:53] Naked: AndreasMadsen: no - that handles the special case where if an 'error' event is emitted in *any* eventemitter, and there are no listeners for it, an exception is propagated
[17:53] AndreasMadsen: Naked: I know, just wanted to be sure will look intro the exact issue :)
[17:54] Naked: AndreasMadsen: yeah, thanks
[17:54] Naked: whoops, let me rework my test...
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[17:55] Naked: AndreasMadsen: found out why I couldn't locate the code... there isn't one! the exception is thrown to uncaughtExceptionHandler...
[17:55] Naked: AndreasMadsen: my test was actually in 'connect' by accident
[17:55] Naked: venting publicly about problems seems to help... :-)
[17:56] AndreasMadsen: connect as in module or event
[17:56] Naked: AndreasMadsen: 'connect' event - for which the try catch exists as I showed...
[17:57] kyonsalt: any1 ever wrote db/schema.js for railway. Give me a copy.
[17:57] AndreasMadsen: Naked: Well the best kind of help to give is the one where you don't to anything and everybody is happy :)
[17:57] Naked: AndreasMadsen: true, that :)
[17:57] Naked: afk ->
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[18:37] AndreasMadsen: .. 3..toString()
[18:37] catb0t:  "3"
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[18:37] AndreasMadsen: .. [0] === false
[18:37] catb0t:  false
[18:37] AndreasMadsen: .. [0] === true
[18:37] catb0t:  false
[18:37] AndreasMadsen: Oh dear
[18:40] Venom_X: .. [0] == false
[18:40] catb0t:  true
[18:40] Venom_X: .. [0] == true
[18:40] catb0t:  false
[18:41] tbranyen: .. 3.toString()
[18:41] catb0t:  Exception: SyntaxError: Unexpected token ILLEGAL
[18:41] tbranyen: heh what a crap interpreter
[18:42] TheJH: tbranyen, no, that's the fault of the spec
[18:42] AndreasMadsen: tbranyen: Year i just hit the [0] issue when doing if (arr && arr[0])
[18:43] cmr: .. process.kill(process.pid)
[18:43] catb0t:  Exception: ReferenceError: process is not defined
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[18:43] cmr: Darn
[18:43] AndreasMadsen: cmr: Nice try
[18:43] Venom_X: .. process.kill(0)
[18:43] catb0t:  Exception: ReferenceError: process is not defined
[18:43] tbranyen: leet hacks
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[18:43] TheJH: cmr, Venom_X, that code doesn't run inside node
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[18:44] swaj: behold the best christmas tree ever :) http://boingboing.net/2011/12/24/portal-xmas-tree.html
[18:44] TheJH: cmr, Venom_X, it runs inside of a nearly-vanilla v8
[18:44] Venom_X: oh
[18:45] AndreasMadsen: .. [0] === [0]
[18:45] catb0t:  false
[18:46] AndreasMadsen: Oh, dear JavaScript you can be the worst possible wife
[18:46] AndreasMadsen: I have leaned to accept:
[18:46] AndreasMadsen: .. NaN === NaN
[18:46] catb0t:  false
[18:46] AndreasMadsen: But not [0] === [0]
[18:47] swaj: .. [] === []
[18:47] catb0t:  false
[18:47] TheJH: AndreasMadsen, erm... if you make two new arrays, they are different arrays although they contain the same stuff
[18:47] cmr: Same gotcha as python
[18:47] swaj: yeah seems pretty standard for me
[18:47] cmr: except they use 'is' instead of ===
[18:47] swaj: since it's a reference type, no?
[18:47] cmr: (identity and not equality)
[18:48] TheJH: AndreasMadsen, when `a === b`, applying stuff to a means that it also has to happen for b
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[18:48] TheJH: AndreasMadsen, var a=[],b=[]; a.push(1) // now a and b contain different stuff
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[18:51] swaj: .. [0] == [0]
[18:51] catb0t:  false
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[18:57] chrispaterson: Can anyone recommend a deferred object module?
[18:58] tbranyen: underscore.deferred
[18:58] chrispaterson: Thanks tbranyen
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[18:59] devdazed: hi all, when writing integers to a buffer, how would I write a 64 bit integer, or long?
[19:00] devdazed: in the docs I see writeInt32LE and writeInt32BE but no writeInt64
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[19:04] munro: devdazed: LE stands for little endian and BE stands for big endian, so you have to figure out what you mean by 64 bit integer, endianness is very import when writing network applications
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[19:04] devdazed: i understand what byte order is
[19:04] devdazed: i want to know how to write a long, as the only 64 bit option is double
[19:04] devdazed: and that does not pack the same as a long
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[19:05] devdazed: and if it matters, I need to write in big endian
[19:05] jsvana: Does anyone here use Stylus for their stylesheets?  I'm using what the JavaScript API reference says to use to compile, but the render function is failing and saying that the string of stylus code has no function 'replace'.
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[19:08] munro: devdazed: ah, I see what you mean, you'll have to roll your own writeInt64BE, using writeInt32BE, javascript can't native handle properly represent 64 ints, but I think BigNum can
[19:08] munro: https://github.com/jtobey/javascript-bignum
[19:08] davehamptonusa: Looking for the best npm installable Deferred Object module  (as in CommonJS Promises/A)  Any suggestions
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[19:09] devdazed: munro: i was under the impression that a javascript number was 64 bits, is it not?
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[19:12] munro: devdazed: 64 bit floating points, but not integers
[19:12] devdazed: oh, i see
[19:12] devdazed: ill have a look at bigint.  thanks munro 
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[19:13] munro: devdazed: https://github.com/substack/node-bigint <-- ah SubStack has a libgmp wrapper!  BigNum is very slow because it's all native JS math
[19:15] devdazed: ok, ill have a look. thanks again
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[19:16] blueadept: would anyone might know why if javascript might be failing to init a click event after a mustache.js template has loaded data on to the screen?
[19:16] blueadept: same html, markup, but after mustache.js loads the new data, jquery events break
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[19:20] davehamptonusa: Looking for the best npm installable Deferred Object module  (as in CommonJS Promises/A)  Any suggestions
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[19:21] mmalecki: ryah: hey. it'd be cool to update the intro video, it's confusing people now: https://twitter.com/mattwilcox/status/151744358687850496
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[19:24] ryah: if only we had a better intro video
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[19:24] tbranyen: i will make said video using a chris rock soundboard
[19:25] mmalecki: ryah: oh? hire Marak, he'll rap some introduction :)
[19:25] mmalecki: s/hire/ask/
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[19:28] addisonj: does anyone know of a socket.io store that uses mongodb instead of redis?
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[19:29] addisonj: my search is proving fruitless
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[20:16] insin: MOCHA: Y U MAKE WRITE TEST() FOR EVERY OUTPUT LINE? yunoguy.gif
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[20:20] wmage: which is the best testing framework
[20:20] wmage: 
ACTION grabs popcorn

[20:21] orospakr: Is there ever a reason  the callback supplied to fs.readdir() might be called with the files parameter being undefined?
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[20:22] mmalecki: wmage++
[20:23] orospakr: wmage, mmalecki, how does it compare to jasmine?
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[20:23] wmage: jasmine looks very nice too
[20:23] wmage: all I've tried is nodeunit
[20:24] wmage: and I want something better
[20:24] josephmoniz: vows looks promising
[20:24] TheJH: orospakr, yes, if the error is set
[20:24] josephmoniz: i <3 error handling in node
[20:24] nrstott: ive been using taps recently
[20:24] orospakr: TheJH, oh wow, I am retarded today. thanks.
[20:25] cmr: I've also been using node-tap. I like it quite a bit.
[20:25] josephmoniz: in haskell theres a data type for what node.js uses (error, [rest]) for, it's called Either
[20:25] orospakr: hey, here's one: what is folks' favourite logging framework?  I've written my own somewhere, but honestly, if there's a well-recommended one, I'll gladly use it.
[20:26] FG: wiston
[20:26] josephmoniz: everywhere i've worked uses syslog at the end of the day
[20:26] josephmoniz: syslog to graylog2 looks pretty cool
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[20:26] orospakr: josephmoniz, hm. if there's a good js logging lib that can optionally output to syslog, that's definitely a plus.
[20:27] josephmoniz: iirc winston should be able to do that, and if it can't out of the box you can write a module for it fairly easily
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[20:29] jesusabdullah: I believe there is a syslog plugin for winston
[20:29] jesusabdullah: I know it's been talked about at least
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[20:32] mmalecki: yes, there is
[20:33] mmalecki: in indexzero's repos
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[20:41] orospakr: what's the best way to schedule something onto the next mainloop iteration, rather than setTimeout(cb, 0)?
[20:41] tbranyen: orospakr: nextTick
[20:41] orospakr: aha!
[20:41] orospakr: I suspected I would recognize it the minute I heard it
[20:41] josephmoniz: nextTick makes me cringe
[20:41] orospakr: thanks.
[20:42] bemson: josephmoniz: is it bad form? - I'm a node-newb...
[20:42] josephmoniz: you should never use nextTick to do work that should be shipped to a worker node instead
[20:42] asc_: hi, i have a build problem with node-v0.6.6 on osx.5.8 (Leopard). Anybody still using node on 10.5.8 ?
[20:42] orospakr: josephmoniz, I'm recursing through callbacks of readdir, and I think that I need to break out of the callback from readdir, otherwise I leak the directory stream descriptors.
[20:42] josephmoniz: if you have nodes serving clients then you want their event loops spinning as fast as possible
[20:42] josephmoniz: anything that will take time should be shipped off to worker nodes
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[20:43] josephmoniz: using request/response patterns with message brokers should suffice
[20:43] orospakr: feh. it didn't work.
[20:43] bemson: josephmoniz: taking time is the criteria then? A delayed server response should not use nextTick but setTimout
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[20:43] josephmoniz: IE: RabbitMQ, redis message passing, Postgres NOTIFY/SUBSCRIBE
[20:43] orospakr: josephmoniz, oh, ah, that's a different class of problem that's out of scope for this.
[20:44] josephmoniz: bemson: nope
[20:44] josephmoniz: anything thats going to take time shouldn't take place in the client serving node process
[20:44] orospakr: I only use things like nextTick if I want to continue my current scope, and and push something out, not to deal with time-consuming stuff.
[20:44] josephmoniz: in a perfect world the client serving node process should have it's event loops spinning as fast as possible
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[20:45] bemson: josephmoniz: I understand about "going to take time", but what if I want the server to take it's time, even though it's not doing anything rigorous - like delaying a server response
[20:45] josephmoniz: bemson: you can delay response with a timeout
[20:45] bemson: josephmoniz: is that not the same as setTimeout?
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[20:45] josephmoniz: bemson: yes that is
[20:46] josephmoniz: time delays caused by computation is what i was referring to
[20:46] bemson: josephmoniz: okay. I was confused there for a bit - I get the concern about computational delays
[20:46] bemson: josephmoniz: thx for clarifying things for me
[20:46] josephmoniz: IE: anything that gets in the way of the event loop spinning as fast as it can
[20:46] bemson: josephmoniz: claro
[20:47] wmage: anybody used Mocha with CoffeeScript?
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[20:52] akter: wmage: I did a while ago. 
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[20:52] wmage: akter: is it straightforward?
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[20:52] akter: Yea.
[20:52] wmage: cool
[20:52] wmage: I'm gonna try it when I'm done with reddit
[20:52] wmage: meh
[20:52] akter: I did the pull request for it :) tj hated me.
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[20:57] akter: is there any good date libs for nodejs? Working with the native date is a pain. So far http://momentjs.com/ looks nice, but maybe someone got any other suggestions?
[20:57] tbranyen: i think moment is the date lib of choice atm
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[20:57] akter: cool
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[20:59] Naked: calling destroySoon() on a tcp connection may mean the connection is never closed, right? that is, in the case that the write buffers are permanently full as the other end does not read anything? or is there a timer or something to finally clean it up?
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[21:47] PureRumble: Hi all! I've got class MyError inheriting from Error with util.inherits(MyError, Error)
[21:47] PureRumble: In MyError constructor I do MyError.super_.call(this, "some error-msg")
[21:47] bradleymeck: inheriting errors will not give you stack traces
[21:48] PureRumble: That's not my question/problem
[21:48] PureRumble: But then when I do throw new MyError(), I don't get the error-message "some error-msg"
[21:49] PureRumble: However, if I go this.message="some error-msg" instead of the MyError.super_ call, then the message gets properly set
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[21:50] PureRumble: But I'm trying to understand, what am I doing wrong here? Aint MyError.super_.call the proper way to invoke the superconstructor from a constructor? Why won't it properly set attributes?
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[21:50] zomg: PureRumble: no idea tbh. Had same issue, decided to ignore
[21:51] zomg: There's a few guides online which showed how to do it and it was supposedly setting the message, but it didn't work
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[21:51] bradleymeck: don't extend error
[21:52] PureRumble: ok, what do you suggest if I want my own custom errors?
[21:52] PureRumble: sorry for being so java/c++-ish :)
[21:52] bradleymeck: use error, set properties, is there a reason you need to classify your errors using instanceof or prototype out methods unique to them?
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[21:54] PureRumble: I'm mainly concerned with using try/catch - blocks with instanceof in the latter. This way I can in relevant scenarios keep track of what type of error has occured and act on it
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[21:55] PureRumble: You know, just like the "old-school" way of doing in other languages: try/catch(a)/catch(b)/catch(c)... and so on
[21:55] josephmoniz: you shouldn't use exceptions in node.js
[21:55] josephmoniz: node.js has a great error passing paradigm
[21:55] josephmoniz: in haskell it's called the Either data type
[21:56] josephmoniz: http://josephmoniz.github.com/blog/2011/12/14/js-pass-pattern/ << how i deal with errors in node
[21:56] orospakr: how do I build a node module in place? I've manually checked something out into my project's node_modules.
[21:56] bradleymeck: you should use errors if you call things with bad arguments and/or need stack traces but thats besides the point.
[21:57] josephmoniz: errors good, exceptions bad
[21:57] josephmoniz: thow + exceptions are great for crashing programs
[21:57] bradleymeck: purerumble don't deal with errors as types, check values relating to how to deal with the error (a common step is to give err.code equal to the kind of http code it should reply with)
[21:57] josephmoniz: and i'm not being sarcastic when i say that, you should use them like asserts
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[21:59] bradleymeck: typing your errors will still make you do the above but in a non-abstract and per type way (generally) which is :(
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[22:03] PureRumble: bradleymeck, so to distinguish among various scenarios when some Error occurs, you suggest to use an ordinary Error-obj and to piggy-back it with some attributes?
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[22:04] PureRumble: Like say for instance you access some DB from your code, and for some bizarre reason you need to know if it was an insert or delete that went wrong in the case of an error. How would you do it? :)
[22:04] bradleymeck: PureRumble, correct, piggy back it with relevant info to how to deal with the error, not with what the error is (error inspection is something that should be logged and dealt with when you don't know what to do with an error programatically (generally a restart)).
[22:04] bradleymeck: so for your example
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[22:06] bradleymeck: I would say that the current request flat out failed, then reboot the server, if this is a transaction with multiple steps things get interesting
[22:06] bradleymeck: if you can deal with the transaction failing return something with .code of 500 or so
[22:07] bradleymeck: multistep transactions will need to have an ORM or something keep track of steps for rollback
[22:07] bradleymeck: does that make sense PureRumble ?
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[22:10] Naked: do note that not everybody agrees that piggypacking stuff into plain Errors is the way to go in Javascript, or in Node
[22:10] Naked: if you want to do it by your own Error classes, you can find a short solution here: http://jayyy0v.wordpress.com/2011/12/08/creating-custom-error-extending-error-type-in-node-js/
[22:11] Naked: or, a solution that explains more here: http://stackoverflow.com/a/8460753/146423
[22:11] Naked: (do note that the link is to the "fully capable" answer - the other answers are not really good)
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[22:12] Naked: those have stacktraces and follow the correct "error" behavior in everything
[22:12] bradleymeck: Naked, the only thing you get with custom errors is the instanceof operator :/
[22:12] bradleymeck: and that generally is abused
[22:12] ben_alman: damn, jshint install failure :/
[22:12] ben_alman: (bug reported to npm)
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[22:14] Naked: bradleymeck: ...and actual prototypal class behaviour of custom errors, if you have custom methods or override something etc.
[22:15] bradleymeck: Naked, if your errors are taking action instead of the actor that caused the error :(
[22:15] ben_alman: when i'm dealing with simple internal errors i'll often just throw {name: "SomeError", message: "This is the rror message"};
[22:15] ben_alman: it doesn't log as pretty but it's just as functional if errors will always be consumed by code
[22:16] Naked: ben_alman: which fails even the isError test...
[22:16] ben_alman: again, simple internal errors
[22:16] ben_alman: what is "the isError test" ?
[22:16] pquerna: Marak: nice post :)
[22:16] ben_alman: e instanceof Error ?
[22:16] Naked: ben_alman: util.isError()
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[22:17] ben_alman: ah. i wasn't thinking node-specific js
[22:17] ben_alman: just generic js
[22:18] tbranyen: why would you want to know if you had an error object or not?
[22:18] Naked: bradleymeck: yes, you can structure all your classes so that no values have any functionality, only static class method
[22:18] bradleymeck: tbranyen, you generally don't care but you might want a stack trace (i know we log a ton of errors even if they never reach top scope)
[22:19] ben_alman: yeah {} error object won't log pretty-like
[22:19] Naked: tbranyen: the common use case for that (for me) is to promote thrown strings and other stuff in to actual error objects so they have the usual toString() behavior and have .stack etc.
[22:19] tbranyen: thats fair enough, wonder if node.js uses that function internally
[22:20] bradleymeck: Naked you don't have to have everything static, but an error value taking action is eventually going to cause the problem of the caller wanting to know the problem and deal with it (or not deal with it for that matter)
[22:20] ben_alman: throw {name: "SomeError", message: "This is the rror message", toString: Error.prototype.toString};
[22:20] ben_alman: heh
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[22:20] ben_alman: that's pretty lightweight
[22:21] qbit_: is there a particular mdns lib that the hook.io dudes are using? 
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[22:23] Naked: bradleymeck: I'm not talking about error values "taking action" - simply that they might have other useful functions besides toString
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[22:23] bradleymeck: qbit_, https://github.com/agnat/node_mdns
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[22:25] zomg: Related to the custom errors discussion http://twitter.com/cowboy/statuses/151790124206792704
[22:25] PureRumble: Naked, bradleymeck, thx for your input. Looked it through and made my decision. Hopefully it's a good one :)
[22:25] qbit_: bradleymeck: cool
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[22:26] NHQ: Question: when reading a file to convert it to an Array Buffer, how does one guess if should be 8, 16 or 32 bit? 
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[22:27] PureRumble: NHQ, you mean if the buffer should consist of 8, 16 or 32 integer bits?
[22:27] NHQ: yes
[22:28] PureRumble: NHQ, what difference does it make how big the integers are?
[22:29] PureRumble: a file = stream of bits. A buffer = stream of bits. Doesnt matter how the buff represents the bits internally. Or am I missing something here?
[22:29] NHQ: Its just that I tested sending an .rtf document as an array buffer. When I packed it up as 8bit unsigned, node transcoded it accurately. When I sent it as a 16 bit unsigned array, it did not "turn out"
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[22:30] NHQ: I should say that I used Chromes toArrayBuffer method for files
[22:31] yorick: what data storage should I use for storage of my user database? basic json files?
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[22:31] PureRumble: NHQ, sorry, beyond me :/
[22:32] NHQ: @yorick that is what I do when i'm prototyping
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[22:33] bemson: I'm building an npm module called Flow - it's a framework and there may be several plugins eventually...
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[22:33] bemson: the first plugin is called "core", and wondered if I should name it's npm module "Flow-core"
[22:33] zwiep: question, example on stream documentation to emulate cat: first it resumes process.stdin, next it sets up the pipe to process.stdout. i would expect the other way around since a readable stream could start emitting the moment you resume it?
[22:34] bemson: etc, etc,… I guess there are a lot of "jquery-x" npm modules, ya?
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[22:35] bradleymeck: bemson sounds fine, if you need a plugin system you might also want to look to broadway as a way to manage plugins in the future
[22:35] chapel: any news on nodeconf?
[22:35] bemson: I recall viewing that repo a while back… have you used it?
[22:36] bradleymeck: zwiep, events happen on the next tick you have until the stack unwinds to set everything up
[22:36] bemson: bradleymeck: sorry, that question about broadway was to you - have you used it?
[22:37] bradleymeck: bemson, yep, we use it quite a bit since we made it XP, have made several plugins for haibu/haibu-carapace for internal use as well as some public ones
[22:37] bemson: k - I'll consider it - for now "Flow-x" will have to do
[22:37] bemson: bradleymeck: thx for the tip!
[22:38] bradleymeck: hopefully peerDependencies will get into npm soon
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[22:38] zwiep: bradleymeck, trying to wrap my head around your answer.. err..
[22:39] bradleymeck: zwiep since node is a single thread no events will be queued up and fired until the stack unwinds since they must be added to the event loop
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[22:39] bradleymeck: similar to how setTimeout in a browser will not fire until the stack unwinds
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[22:41] bradleymeck: by stack unwinding i mean all current functions have completed and returned (or thrown,... or yielded when v8 gets that...)
[22:41] zwiep: bradleymeck, i build a simple readable stream that emits data immediately after resuming; when i do that before setting up the pipe, nothing happens
[22:42] zwiep: so after your response i would not expect that to happen
[22:43] bradleymeck: if you manually emit data on a custom readable stream it will happen ASAP (before the stack unwinds) node avoids this by using process.nextTick
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[22:46] zwiep: hmm interesting, didn't know this nextTick
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[22:49] zwiep: so i have this stream that just emits numbers, how should i do the emitting? what i did now was pause the stream by default, and on resume emit a number and pause again 
[22:50] bradleymeck: you don't need to pause unless you are doing some sort of buffering
[22:50] zwiep: works in a pipe, but guess that's not the way to do it 
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[22:53] josephmoniz: Nodes EventEmitter doesn't use process.nextTick
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[22:53] josephmoniz: https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/lib/events.js
[22:53] josephmoniz: zwiep: just extend EventEmitter
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[22:53] zwiep: i'm extending Stream now
[22:54] josephmoniz: thats fine, Stream already extends EventEmitter
[22:55] josephmoniz: fyi: Stream also doesn't use process.nextTick
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[22:56] V1: >_< FUUU stupid wifi connection
[22:57] mmalecki: `3rdEden: that's only IRC, it was way more fun when skype crashed on me during nodeup
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[22:57] einaros: *yawn*
[22:58] zwiep: hmm.. basically now my pause() implementation is empty and resume just emits a number everytime it's called
[22:58] neilk_: I'm writing a library. I'd like to load a configuration file relative to the library's location. Is there a standard way to do that? Do I need packages forthis?
[22:58] mmalecki: einaros: oh yes :/
[22:58] einaros: t'is late
[22:58] mmalecki: einaros: YOU HAVE TO WRITE CODE. NO SLEEP.
[22:58] mmalecki: einaros: what timezone, btw?
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[22:59] `3rdEden: mmalecki in the Node Knockout 2010 my wifi died one hour before the deadline, that was waaay more fun
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[22:59] mmalecki: `3rdEden: oh. did you sort it out?
[22:59] einaros: mmalecki: utc+1
[22:59] `3rdEden: mmalecki: yeh my internet came back 2 minutes before the deadline
[23:00] `3rdEden: so I just enough time to the final push ;p
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[23:00] mmalecki: einaros: same as mine, I think
[23:00] einaros: `3rdEden: swap providers and buy a cable
[23:00] mmalecki: `3rdEden: hahaha, nice
[23:00] `3rdEden: einaros:  I already swapped providers and I'm to lazy to pull a cable
[23:00] `3rdEden: ;D
[23:00] einaros: then download the internet and go offline
[23:00] einaros: <o>
[23:01] mmalecki: `3rdEden: git ftw, btw
[23:01] `3rdEden: einaros: I doubt I will be able to download 0.0% before my connection drops again :p
[23:01] mmalecki: imagine that with svn XD
[23:01] PureRumble: Boys, give me a nicer way to do this -> if( params ) { path += "?" + params; }     :)
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[23:02] mmalecki: PureRumble: params && path += "params"
[23:02] zwiep: alright, talking about sleep, sounds like a good idea :)
[23:02] `3rdEden: mmalecki i'll rather not imagine that, as I'm going to bed soon and I don't want to have those scarry svn based nightmares
[23:02] mmalecki: PureRumble: params && (path += "params"), actually
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[23:03] `3rdEden: mmalecki actually params && (path += "?" + params); ;D
[23:03] PureRumble: mmalecki,  so you're suggestion is a bit error-prine, is that it?
[23:03] mmalecki: `3rdEden: oh, sorry :(. yeah, well, I'm way too young to have tried svn for realz, but I did and I hate it
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[23:03] PureRumble: mmalecki, I mean error-prone of course :)
[23:03] chapel: PureRumble: path += params ? ('?' + params) : '';
[23:04] chapel: mine gives you an alternative in case you want else inline
[23:04] PureRumble: chapel, Ah forgot about that one! Rather safe and neat! Thx :D
[23:05] `3rdEden: it's not saver then mmalecki's example
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[23:05] chapel: yeah, safeness is relative there
[23:05] einaros: `3rdEden: what did your travel arrangements for nodesummit end up being?
[23:05] PureRumble:  
[23:05] `3rdEden: einaros: I still got to book a hotel :$
[23:05] chapel: is there going to be a nodeconf?
[23:06] PureRumble: 3rdEden, it is considering that you dont have to be concerned with operator-priority, ie missing on some ( and )
[23:06] `3rdEden: einaros but i'm fling to SF on 22Jan and leaving again 28Jan
[23:07] `3rdEden: chapel: http://nodesummit.com
[23:07] chapel: I know about summit
[23:07] `3rdEden: oh
[23:07] `3rdEden: ;p
[23:07] chapel: there isn't going to be a nodeconf?
[23:07] chapel: like last year?
[23:08] chapel: http://2011.nodeconf.com/
[23:08] einaros: `3rdEden: which airline / time on jan 22nd?
[23:09] `3rdEden: einaros: KLM at 10:20 AM
[23:09] einaros: sneaky, I'm on the same plane
[23:10] `3rdEden: really?
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[23:10] einaros: yes
[23:10] `3rdEden: einaros flight KL 0605?
[23:10] einaros: `3rdEden: hang on, will confirm
[23:11] einaros: `3rdEden: aye, that's the one
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[23:11] `3rdEden: einaros ;D
[23:11] `3rdEden: awesome
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[23:13] einaros: :D
[23:13] einaros: sleep calls, g'nite!
[23:14] `3rdEden: nite
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[23:25] maxogden: chapel: nodeconf will be later in the year
[23:25] chapel: well that I know
[23:25] chapel: just wish there was some info
[23:25] chapel: so I could plan something
[23:26] maxogden: chapel: 2-3 months is ample time, no?
[23:26] chapel: well I guess
[23:26] chapel: :P
[23:26] chapel: jsconf is april in arizona this year
[23:30] ben_alman: anyone have any scripts written around pulling down the latest stable node and installing it besides nave and nvm?
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[23:34] chapel: seems like it would be pretty easy to script
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[23:35] Shaunzie: yay I just deleted 2 days worth of work cause I didn't commit! errfert… -.- I need booze stat…..
[23:36] Shaunzie: omg! I love Apple… I'm officially fanboy for life! :D :D :D :D :D…. I still want booze though >.>
[23:36] cmr: lol
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[23:47] Industrial: This is my problem with adopting functional programming: I don't know how to program parts of the application if I'm not using OO things like Controllers, Models, Views for e.g. a HTTP app.
[23:47] Industrial: I could use a map instead of an each or a for in a model method :P
[23:47] Industrial: That's about my use of functional programming right now :\
[23:48] Industrial: Not sure how to improve this or say build the whole system in
[23:49] mrdnk: @Industrial - JavaScript: The Good Parts is really good for learning javascript inc... the functional programming aspects
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[23:50] Industrial: mrdnk: I understand what a monad and a map and a reduce and partial application etc are
[23:51] Industrial: What I don't understand is how it can replace my thinking of objects as collections of properties to pass around and modify
[23:51] Industrial: e.g. side-effect free
[23:51] Industrial: because that's how I think about data :p
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[23:54] ben_alman: is there any reason that the osx .pkg installer requires root permissions? it's only installing into /usr/local, which homebrew does just fine without needing root permissions
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[23:57] mrdnk: Industrial: OK; know more than me then.
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