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[00:13] zodiak: there is nothing more xmas fun than having someone drive out to your house to deliver chinese :D
[00:13] tbranyen: rofl
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[00:15] SirFunk: i need some application organization help here. So i have a bunch of modules for mongoose models. In my mian app i'm using socket io.. is there any way i can pass the io object back to the models so they can emit messages when saved or whatever?
[00:17] Shaunzie: fuckin sendgrid!
[00:17] Shaunzie: wtf :(
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[00:17] zodiak: Shaunzie, ? :)
[00:17] zodiak: don't tell me Sg is down
[00:17] Shaunzie: they won't activate my account so I can't test shits ._.
[00:17] Shaunzie: I think the world would die without send grid O.o
[00:18] zodiak: oh. huh. if you want a quick test account, you could always create a test heroku machine (the free one) then add the free sendgrid account to get credentials ;)
[00:18] zodiak: it's all automagic
[00:18] teadict: but but the counter on the home page keeps going!
[00:18] zodiak: teadict, yeah, web page counters.. cool idea from the 1980's
[00:19] teadict: I can't believe in anything anymore
[00:19] zodiak: embrace buddhism. it's all an illusion
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[00:29] disappearedng: does io.socket have any special id I can use? 
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[00:35] andrew12: are you talking about socket.io?
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[00:36] andrew12: disappearedng: ^
[00:38] disappearedng: yeah so when I have io.socket.on... function(socket), is there like a unique identifier in that socket object which I can use for mapping purposes? 
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[00:41] RLa: file descriptor?
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[00:42] marshall: hey node
[00:42] RLa: i think sockets have file descriptor too, and it's unique and assigned by os
[00:42] marshall: which cakedb module should I use?
[00:42] marshall: *couchdb
[00:42] marshall: lol, cakedb
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[00:46] RLa: haha
[00:47] RLa: anyway, can someone tell me how is one supposed to use 1:n relationships in document-oriented databases?
[00:47] disappearedng: I am very new to node. https://gist.github.com/777cfac25b31fd567bae I don't know if this is the best way to go about doing it, does anyone have recommendations? 
[00:48] zodiak: RLa, urm, you kind of don't. A document database stores everything a single document needs all in one object/key
[00:48] zodiak: this leads to highly de-normalized databases (under NF theory)
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[00:49] zodiak: eg; you ~will~ have (say) 'user bob' in about 300+ places and all their information
[00:49] RLa: zodiak, let's say i have blog post and comments, how does one add comment
[00:50] RLa: don't you have overwrite everything just to get one item appended to some list?
[00:50] zodiak: RLa,  you would update the post. Normally most doc-db's have an 'append onto set' notation/call
[00:51] RLa: duh, i did not know
[00:51] zodiak: I mostly use cassandra .. so .. I can't speak to couchdb
[00:51] RLa: that would make a lot more sense than first pulling whole doc then doing small update, then writing it back
[00:52] marshall: disappearedng: line 9 looks like a syntax error
[00:52] disappearedng: wait brb I am fixing this 
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[00:53] RLa: can't you use sequential ids for identifying clients
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[00:54] RLa: something like client.id = id++;
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[00:55] marshall: zodiak: sometimes documents in a document database have relationships to one another and you need something to connect them
[00:56] RLa: zodiak, "Whenever you update a document in CouchDB, you update it as a whole, there's nothing in between." :(
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[00:56] RLa: how can this be scalable at all?
[00:57] marshall: RLa: what couchdb driver do you use with node?
[00:57] RLa: marshall, haven't used it with node yet
[00:58] RLa: i'm mostly familiar with it's raw rest interface
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[01:00] RLa: another thing is pulling only so much data that you need
[01:01] RLa: what if i do not want whole document?
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[01:06] RLa: seems like mongodb has partial updates
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[01:10] RLa: does mongodb use similar rest interface as couchdb?
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[01:16] cmr: Does mongodb even *have* a rest interface?
[01:16] cmr: (I don't know much about it)
[01:16] mmalecki: kinda-ish
[01:17] mmalecki: optional or whatever
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[01:27] disappearedng: does socket.io have a way to allow you to debug every message received? 
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[01:30] tab1293: is there anyway with socketio to stream a download to a web client? ie send parts of a file over tim
[01:30] tab1293: e
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[01:43] zomg: disappearedng: there's something like io.set('debug', 4) or something along those lines
[01:43] disappearedng: no that's for server side
[01:43] zomg: Ah well you didn't specify which =)
[01:44] zomg: In any case it might work on client as well, try using socket.set... with same args
[01:44] zomg: If not, see their github pages.. they are more up to date and/or useful than their actual website
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[01:53] Brandon_R: hi
[01:53] nicholasf: hi
[01:53] nicholasf: anyone using modul8 here?
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[02:05] zomg: nicholasf: what's that?
[02:05] nicholasf: http://clux.github.com/modul8/
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[02:11] context: nice name
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[02:19] zodiak: don't suppose anyone knows of a node library that gives list comprehensions ?
[02:19] zodiak: it's about the only part of python I miss ;)
[02:20] nicholasf: zodiak: underscore.js?
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[02:20] zodiak: nicholasf, yeah, I looked into that, but I heard/read that it is sync in it's list comprehension :(
[02:21] nicholasf: yeh it would be
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[02:28] CIA-109: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07v0.6 * red5bad7 10/ benchmark/io.c : bench: fix use of fd after close - http://git.io/3K0hiw
[02:28] CIA-109: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07v0.6 * r0de6ec5 10/ src/platform_win32.cc : win: fix mismatched new[]/delete - http://git.io/yx09cw
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[02:41] mr_luc: Hey guys -- just setting up node on a new ubuntu 10.10, installed/built from github, version 0.7pre
[02:41] mr_luc: npm doesn't work with it. :(
[02:41] mr_luc: sez: Required: node@0.4 || 0.5 || 0.6
[02:42] context: who was it that did the benchmarks for the different mongo driver serialization libraries
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[02:46] context: mr_luc: are you manually installing npm ?
[02:46] mr_luc: Yeah -- I tried it via the sh from the website first, of course
[02:47] mr_luc: I'm trying changing the package.json to see if npm's install succeeds now ... it'd be weird if latest node and latest npm from github didn't work together, so maybe it's interference from a previous version of npm :P
[02:48] context: mr_luc: well, npm is packaged with node now
[02:48] context: mr_luc: try using the npm that comes with 0.7pre, i imagine it will actually work
[02:48] context: mr_luc: any reason you are using 0.7pre ?
[02:48] context: if you cant get npm working with pre you prolly dont need to be using pre to begin with
[02:48] mr_luc: nah -- it was just what was on gh
[02:49] mr_luc: I got it by changing engines in package.json
[02:49] context: so you are using pre for the hell of it. fully aware that crap may not work.
[02:49] context: sounds like a plan. have fun.
[02:50] mr_luc: yeah, dev laptop
[02:51] context: ok? and are you actually working on the node codebase itself ?
[02:52] context: im a developer too. i dont run pre releases of node on my laptop though.
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[02:53] context: mr_luc: so you really you just installed -pre, with no single reason what so ever, and wondered why it dont work
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[02:56] mr_luc: Yeah, I installed 0.7pre; it worked fine, but looks like it was a conflict w/an older version of npm;
[02:57] context: kk, have fun
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[03:06] disappearedng: I am a beginner with nodejs. I am trying to do a demo "game". The code can be found here. https://gist.github.com/22049a8c8ef80c6ac4c1 I am at a point where I find it really hard to debug. There HAS to be a better way to structure the code. Can someone kindly shed some light on this? (I am having a lot of difficulty trying to maintain this code)
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[03:22] andrew12: disappearedng: rather than your thing where you notify everyone, you can just do io.sockets.emit
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[03:23] andrew12: and socket.io already keeps a list of connected sockets in io.sockets.sockets
[03:23] andrew12: (works exactly the same as your clients object)
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[03:30] disappearedng: andrew12: I am talking more about the cleint end
[03:30] disappearedng: my code feels REALLY spaghetti
[03:31] andrew12: it doesn't look it
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[03:31] context: you could throw stuff into classes but its not horrid
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[03:32] andrew12: i'm editing it up a bit and i'll push up a gist after i'm done
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[03:34] andrew12: plus there's some stuff in there that just straight up won't work, like Timers.setTimeout
[03:39] teadict: I can't find much about structuring a big application as opposed to use app.js for everything like you see everywhere
[03:40] teadict: any resource out there to learn how?
[03:40] disappearedng: andrew12: you know any good sample code that shows some good pattern? 
[03:40] context: teadict: experience.
[03:40] disappearedng: like how to do asyn programming on node on server and client side
[03:40] teadict: context: am I going to have you in my tail forever now?
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[03:41] teadict: I'll start coding tomorrow, I already told you
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[03:41] andrew12: teadict: you can structure it however you want.
[03:41] andrew12: disappearedng: not off the top of my head
[03:42] teadict: well, yeah, but I'm just starting with node
[03:42] teadict: I need lotsa docs
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[03:43] andrew12: there's not going to be any docs on how to structure an application
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[03:43] teadict: ):
[03:43] mr_luc: yeah -- maybe you could google for projects on github that are built on express
[03:44] andrew12: the simplest way to figure out how to structure your app is to write it in one file and then find stuff that is related to each other
[03:44] andrew12: and move them out
[03:44] teadict: is this fair enough? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5778245/expressjs-how-to-structure-an-application
[03:45] andrew12: teadict: use that.
[03:46] teadict: although, that seems to only tear appart the main blocks of things
[03:46] teadict: it's not like a revolution
[03:46] andrew12: how?
[03:47] teadict: puts the routes there, the envs over there
[03:47] andrew12: isn't that what you want?
[03:47] teadict: mmm
[03:47] andrew12: it's laying it out like an MVC
[03:47] teadict: what if you have like 200 routes?
[03:47] andrew12: it's one file
[03:47] andrew12: o.0
[03:48] teadict: doesn't get messy?
[03:48] andrew12: it'll be messy regardless of where you put it
[03:48] teadict: fair enough
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[03:49] mr_luc: yeah, I mean you could use restful routes if that works with your application
[03:49] andrew12: riht
[03:49] andrew12: right
[03:49] nicholasf: hi, is this a node antipattern? https://gist.github.com/1520493
[03:49] andrew12: how would that be an antipattern?
[03:50] context: teadict: i thought you were using railways.... it kind of tells you how to layout your app
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[03:50] teadict: context: I don't know.. it looks gigantic
[03:50] teadict: I'll end up not using it
[03:50] context: oh dear god
[03:51] nicholasf: andrew12: the global app object
[03:51] nicholasf: some people say it's coupling things too strongly
[03:51] teadict: when I be coding, I won't be as indecisy
[03:51] andrew12: what is railways?
[03:51] teadict: robust mvc
[03:51] teadict: not just a middlewere
[03:51] teadict: ware
[03:52] teadict: "Full MVC+H stack" what's that H?
[03:52] andrew12: nicholasf: it depends on what you want to do. if all of your code requires the libraries and stuff then not really. there's no performance hit that comes to mind either.
[03:52] nicholasf: andrew12: well, it's an intermediary step for me
[03:52] Dmitrijus: teadict: sorry for my rudeness, but it seems you're just spending too much time worrying about the minor details (which will be obvious), before actually writing the code :)
[03:53] teadict: I am, yes
[03:53] nicholasf: andrew12: I think I may end up using a solution like modul8, but I want to take small steps
[03:53] andrew12: i have no idea what modul8 is
[03:54] nicholasf: http://clux.github.com/modul8/
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[03:55] Dmitrijus: teadict: so just start writing! IMO, the layout of code is much more dependant on the application you're writing, there is no one best way to do it! :)
[03:55] teadict: Dmitrijus: I'm starting to code tomorrow though, I'm fooling around at some level I guess
[03:55] context: dmitrijus: no its ok to be rude to teadict. he has been asking questions for the past couple hours, instead of actually playing with node itself and figuring these things out
[03:56] teadict: >.>
[03:56] context: dmitrijus: yey! i told him to start writing over an hour ago.
[03:56] nicholasf: 
ACTION just discovered Railways

[03:56] nicholasf: looks interesting maybe
[03:56] equark: anybody have any idea how your should call the HelloWorld::New function from C++ here https://www.cloudkick.com/blog/2010/aug/23/writing-nodejs-native-extensions/?
[03:56] teadict: I'm not going to code now
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[03:56] Dmitrijus: teadict: why not? :(
[03:56] nicholasf: 
ACTION is from the Rails world and wonders if it's an appropriate way to solve the problem

[03:56] teadict: because it's Sunday
[03:56] context: teadict: then why are you asking so many questions? where 99% of answers are bias / personal oppinion ...
[03:56] context: wow. dumbest response ever.
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[03:57] teadict: to establish knowledge I guess
[03:57] Dmitrijus: oh yes
[03:57] teadict: context: no, because I'm not going to work on time I'm not being paid for
[03:57] context: dmitrijus: i think teadict is one of those who read books for a week about driving a car before actually getting in the car and putting the key in the ignition
[03:57] teadict: context: you want to work extra hours on your own time? go ahead
[03:57] context: but you aren't working, you are learning and playing.
[03:58] context: i didnt say write code for work.
[03:58] context: i said write code.
[03:58] context: PLAY.
[03:58] Dmitrijus: YES
[03:58] Dmitrijus: .
[03:58] teadict: alright alright, I 'll quit bugging
[03:58] context: INSTEAD are you are wasting yours, and everyone elses time asking questions multiple times, and in the end, you will still be NO WHERE
[03:58] context: teadict: thats not the first time yo usaid that
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[03:59] teadict: FINE
[03:59] andrew12: !
[03:59] Dmitrijus: teadict: oh common, writing code is way more fun than reading docs, watching videos, asking questions on the irc (unles, you're trolling something)
[03:59] Dmitrijus: !
[03:59] andrew12: Dmitrijus: YES
[03:59] Dmitrijus: s/something/someone/
[03:59] teadict: nah, I enjoy researching pre-development
[03:59] teadict: but yes, I'm asking sillyness now
[03:59] andrew12: i hate researching
[04:00] andrew12: plus I can't ever remember anything
[04:00] andrew12: I always have docs open
[04:00] andrew12: or some code
[04:01] context: until i see something useful spew out from teadict's fingers im gonna call troll.
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[04:01] Dmitrijus: andrew12: yes
[04:03] teadict: hah
[04:03] teadict: no, I ain't trolling..
[04:03] context: thats what they all say
[04:03] teadict: I have a client and I'm developing a pretty big-ish app
[04:03] teadict: and I chose node
[04:03] andrew12: why?
[04:03] Dmitrijus: teadict: oh, awesome! :)
[04:03] teadict: because of the concurrency
[04:03] andrew12: what kind of app, i mean?
[04:04] teadict: different people at different areas of the building need real time alerts and that
[04:04] teadict: kind of stuff
[04:04] andrew12: oh
[04:04] context: does the app even require concurrency ?
[04:04] teadict: yes, real time messages and comet and all that
[04:04] andrew12: don't you already use rails or something?
[04:04] teadict: the client builds and repairs industrial machinery for YPF, which is the most important refinery over here
[04:04] Dmitrijus: concurrency is overrated
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[04:04] teadict: andrew12: but node and socket.io and now make it so easy 
[04:05] teadict: I don't want to code a bunch of stuff to make real time stuff work on ruby or python or php
[04:05] teadict: plus, js on the server? come on
[04:05] teadict: freaking finally
[04:05] teadict: just one language
[04:05] context: if its easy then you should be working already. 
[04:05] andrew12: teadict: you can write the whole thing in rails and then just use node and socket.io for the concurrent stuff
[04:05] context: hahahahaha ...
[04:05] andrew12: what context said
[04:06] teadict: why does it have to be done by yesterday?!
[04:06] context: teadict: why do you have to spend a week doing research ?
[04:06] andrew12: why are we even discussing this
[04:06] andrew12: -.-
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[04:06] teadict: yes, I have reasons, forget about it
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[04:06] teadict: they're extra-development
[04:06] context: im bored. so im entertaining the troll
[04:07] teadict: you're trolling, since I'm not a troll
[04:07] teadict: I come in peace ):
[04:07] context: teadict: thats the 5th time you have said forget about it, or ill stop asking stupid questions.
[04:07] teadict: I won't be rude and loose credibility, if you ask I'll answer
[04:07] context: i did ask. you didn't answer.
[04:08] teadict: stop fighting me!
[04:08] nicholasf: hrm, just read up about Railways
[04:08] teadict: there, change of topic
[04:08] nicholasf: I suppose it's a nice idea and it provides a familiar structure
[04:09] nicholasf: but I'm interested in pursuing node dev so I can think about code differently, not repeat it across platforms
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[04:10] andrew12: nicholasf: it's called railway fyi :p
[04:10] nicholasf: ok
[04:11] nicholasf: I think I might use JugglingDB tho
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[04:11] nicholasf: that will definitely help my code
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[04:16] SirFunk: this is the freaking ugliest code i've ever written.. can someone take a quick look at this and see if there's any way i can clean it up? https://gist.github.com/fe5967098502747882d8  fwiw Table, Seat, Bill are all mongoose models
[04:16] context: holy lord.
[04:16] Dmitrijus: WTF
[04:17] context: i have a general rule. if a method extends past one page... get rid of it (1 page for me is ~ 40 lines)
[04:17] SirFunk: right?!
[04:17] context: sirfunk: split half those damn callbacks into seperate functions.
[04:18] andrew12: railway looks kind of cool. i'm going to play with it rather than structuring my code in really weird ways that feels and looks odd.
[04:19] SirFunk: hmm... there is some of it i'd like to push into the model layer, but i'm not really sure how to. My models are modules and if i could make the fire some of the socket.io stuff (like when they are saved or whatever) that would be cool, but i'm not sure how to pass the io object back to the module
[04:19] zodiak: SirFunk, I am SO glad that I do not work with you :)
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[04:20] Dmitrijus: SirFunk: also, fix your identitation, it's just wrong (you can use whatever style guide)
[04:20] zodiak: max number of lines in a method/function should be 10. it's the maximum lines most humans can hold in their frontal cortex at any one time :D
[04:20] SirFunk: zodiak: i know
[04:20] SirFunk: i'm trying to figure out how to simplify it
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[04:20] zodiak: also a =comment= or two on what is going on would be awesome :D
[04:20] SirFunk: most of my code isn't this ugly but the level of callbacks necessary to work with mongoose makes it stupid
[04:20] zodiak: not what you are doing, but +why+
[04:21] zodiak: never used mongoose :)
[04:21] Dmitrijus: SirFunk: also, if you use closures like function () {}, you can still name them, like function whatever () {}
[04:22] Dmitrijus: with no space between name and the ()
[04:22] Dmitrijus: my bad
[04:22] SirFunk: there's no way to do anything syncronious .... which gets ugly if you need to do something like Grab Record A, set value on A.foo to bar, add relation B to A, set value B.baz to freeeee .. that's like 6 levels of nesting.. so i turned to async
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[04:23] SirFunk: Dmitrijus: true, that'll probably make it look a bit better
[04:24] context: sirfunk: so put that logic in its own file
[04:24] context: sirfunk: you have 4-5 distinct actions in what you just said
[04:25] context: sirfunk: so make 4-5 functions.
[04:25] Dmitrijus: yes
[04:25] context: and half that shit can prolly be ran at the same time
[04:26] context: oh i wish heroku had riak hosting. mongo looks like crap compared to.
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[04:26] Dmitrijus: context: hm, why do find mongo being crap? i like it 
[04:27] context: ive never really used it to be honest :x so i really shouldn't comment
[04:27] context: sirfunk: why arent all those actions being executed at the same time, and nested instead ?
[04:27] SirFunk: context: async.parallel does execute them at the same time
[04:28] SirFunk: i think all the ones that can happen at the same time i have in async.parallell.. some depend on others to complete though
[04:28] joshsmith: random, broad, computer science question: are there any good resources for learning (or re-learning) some of the basics that someone who's self-taught would've gotten in computer science undergrad but didn't?
[04:28] joshsmith: things like data structures and algos
[04:29] SirFunk: Dmitrijus: do you use an orm for mongo?
[04:30] Dmitrijus: SirFunk: NO
[04:30] context: dmitrijus: mongodb directly?
[04:30] Dmitrijus: yes
[04:30] Dmitrijus: well, to be honest, i never used mongodb from node, did a lot from python though :)
[04:31] SirFunk: ahh
[04:31] Dmitrijus: but using an orm here is kinda missing the point
[04:31] SirFunk: i use it a lot in rails and it's fine...
[04:31] SirFunk: yeah
[04:31] context: damn. mongodb hasn't been touched since april, 2010 thats kind of sad
[04:31] context: considering how much node has changed
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[04:31] SirFunk: context: you mean the binary module?
[04:31] context: for node.
[04:32] andrew12: context: node is a lot newer though
[04:32] context: ahh node-mongodb-native is up to date
[04:32] context: but is it fast :/
[04:32] andrew12: oh, are you talking about the mongodb package or mongodb itself?
[04:32] SirFunk: context: https://github.com/christkv/node-mongodb-native  3 days ago?
[04:32] SirFunk: ahh he found it :-P
[04:33] andrew12: oh, that is the mongodb package...
[04:33] context: yeah i was looking at node-mongodb
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[04:33] andrew12: I always find the github pages by doing `npm home package`
[04:33] andrew12: opens it in my browser :p
[04:34] context: wow that just looks horrid
[04:34] context: i have to call client.bson_serializer.ObjectID(...) every time to fetch a record
[04:34] ep0x: what's the best way to learn node.js from scratch? Ive only done jquery in the past and when I look at the free guides on google it makes me want to hit myself
[04:34] andrew12: play with examples
[04:35] andrew12: or come up with some sort of project and work on it
[04:35] joshsmith: ugh, why is every algo/data structure book in Java or C(++)?
[04:35] andrew12: because nobody gives a shit about algorithms or data structure in any other language
[04:35] context: joshsmith: does the language really matter ?
[04:36] andrew12: that too
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[04:36] context: as long as you can read it....
[04:36] andrew12: and knowing how to read C[++] and Java is a useful skill
[04:36] mr_luc: 'because of CS curriculum' ... curriculi? curricula?
[04:36] context: just be thankful its not OCaml or haskell.
[04:36] joshsmith: I'm not sure I can read Java; C(++) maybe
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[04:36] context: you wouldn't understand that stuff for shit
[04:37] andrew12: mr_luc: curriculum is plural
[04:37] mr_luc: oh ... yeah.
[04:37] andrew12: hehe
[04:37] mr_luc: so singular is .. 
[04:37] mr_luc: curricules!
[04:37] andrew12: curriculum
[04:37] joshsmith: I've never done much of a real coding interview before, so I'm looking at the book "Cracking the coding interview"
[04:37] mr_luc: dammit, english. y u no make sense.
[04:38] joshsmith: and he's going on about how no one knows algos anymore
[04:38] Dmitrijus: joshsmith: well, i do
[04:38] andrew12: fish and fishes, deer, etc
[04:38] andrew12: moose
[04:38] Dmitrijus: joshsmith: but other skills are just much more useful for software development
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[04:39] context: joshsmith: the code interview is about actually knowing the language you are developing in
[04:39] joshsmith: I mean, I write working code. I test it. I can do continuous deployment, etc. etc.
[04:39] joshsmith: do I really need to know the most optimal sorting algo?
[04:40] Dmitrijus: joshsmith: it's mergesort
[04:40] Dmitrijus: end of story
[04:40] joshsmith: I guess it depends on what I'm doing
[04:40] context: hahahaha
[04:41] context: do you /really/ need to? depending on the job, yes.
[04:41] joshsmith: yeah, dumb question
[04:41] mr_luc: I think for most people, if you know when speed matters, when to spike into performance issues, that's probably a lot more important than being able to rattle off C99 details etc.
[04:42] context: joshsmith: and when i say really know the language, its about knowing the oddities and quirks of a language. and the little tricks to make life easier
[04:42] context: joshsmith: "i wrote a blog in node" doesn't mean you know node.
[04:43] joshsmith: sure. nor does writing an npm package or two
[04:44] joshsmith: 
ACTION is reading Node in Action atm

[04:45] mongrelion: I think nowadays what's kicking arse is to have a gihub profile and, of course, lots of participation, imho.
[04:46] nicholasf: mongrelion: do you hang out in #roro sometimes? familiar nick
[04:46] joshsmith: yeah, I only recently started contributing
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[04:48] mr_luc: well, how about that. curricula and curriculum are both valid plurals. TIL.
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[05:02] context: i swear some libs have the most horrid examples in the readme ever
[05:02] context: especially node-mongodb-native
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[05:02] context: code example, line 1: var client = new Db('test', new Server("127.0.0.1", 27017, {})),
[05:02] context: what is Db? what is Server ? what is {} ?
[05:02] context: err what can go in there...
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[05:07] poincare101: Hi everyone. Is there any way to render a jade template directly from a file?
[05:08] SirFunk: I have 2 streams that both emit close events.. is there any way to fire a function when they are BOTH done?
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[05:09] poincare101: SirFunk: write a callback for one of them, and then the callback has another callback inside it that waits for the other one.
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[05:10] SirFunk: hmm.. i'm not sure if that'll work
[05:10] SirFunk: i think the callback only gets fired when the stream actually ends.. so if the innerone ended first nothing would happen 
[05:10] poincare101: SirFunk: make both combinations, maybe?
[05:11] poincare101: one with the first stream being the inner, and the second with the first stream being the outer
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[05:14] SirFunk: poincare101: yeah that's basically what i did thanks
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[05:19] poincare101: SirFunk: great :)
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[05:24] nicholasf: anyone here using JuggleDB?
[05:24] nicholasf: (with redis?)
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[05:41] thelifelessone: can anyone tell me why express.js isn't serving my static files?
[05:41] thelifelessone: I've configured it to do so, but it will not.
[05:42] nicholasf: thelifelessone: sounds like you've made a mistake in your configuration
[05:42] nicholasf: what kind of debugging steps have you followed?
[05:43] thelifelessone: Google, console.log.
[05:43] nicholasf: how is Google a debugging technique?
[05:43] thelifelessone: search for similiar issues, and try the solutions
[05:43] thelifelessone: besides, I copied the erroring line character-for-character from the example project.
[05:43] nicholasf: I have static files working
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[05:44] nicholasf: just set up logging in express and think through it
[05:44] nicholasf: it's obviously a mistake you've made and aren't investigating
[05:44] thelifelessone: Ok.
[05:44] Shaunzie: You can also gist it if you want us to take a look ;)
[05:44] deoxxa: thelifelessone: code or gtfo
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[05:45] nicholasf: is anyone working with socket.io here? Could they talk me through some basic concepts?
[05:45] thelifelessone: deoxxa: https://gist.github.com/1520586
[05:45] thelifelessone: not the best out there, I suppose, but I'm still learning the framework
[05:45] deoxxa: nicholasf: i use it pretty extensively at work, what's up?
[05:45] nicholasf: I'm finding it really difficult to code asynchronously to the web in the request response format in express
[05:46] nicholasf: deoxxa: well, Im just wondering if I add a socket layer then perhaps I don't have to be concerned so much about fighting to write code asynchronously that responds to the request cycle
[05:47] nicholasf: like, right now I'm writing some code that uses everyauth to integrate with facebook - creating the user or retrieving and existing record. This is done in the space of a http request starting from a backbone layer
[05:48] thelifelessone: Aaaand debugging isn't doing anything.
[05:48] nicholasf: I end up spending a lot of time in callbacks, etc., to ensure the response is the User object (either created from scratch or retrieved from redis). Perhaps I should just use socket.io to update the backbone app with the user when things are complete rather than fight through a difficult callback structure
[05:48] thelifelessone: There aren't any errors...
[05:48] deoxxa: thelifelessone: http://expressjs.com/guide.html#route-middleware
[05:49] nicholasf: thelifelessone: have you set up logging in express so it can at least tell you something
[05:49] nicholasf: ?
[05:49] thelifelessone: nicholasf: yes.
[05:49] thelifelessone: deoxxa: I have to build a route to server client-side resources?
[05:49] nicholasf: so can you see a 404 in the logs?
[05:49] deoxxa: thelifelessone: you do if you want to put it under /assets
[05:49] nicholasf: when you request a static resource?
[05:49] thelifelessone: nicholasf: I'm not getting any kind of errors.
[05:50] thelifelessone: like, none at all.
[05:50] Shaunzie: thelifelessone: the app.'s file is in a directory containing the assets directory?
[05:50] deoxxa: https://gist.github.com/1520586#L16 << this looks like you want it to be http://<something>/assets/<static files>
[05:50] thelifelessone: Shaunzie: The assets folder is one folder up from the app.js file.
[05:50] deoxxa: is that correct?
[05:50] thelifelessone: I think so?
[05:51] deoxxa: you think so?
[05:51] Shaunzie: move your asset directory into the same directory as app.js
[05:51] gkatsev: if it's one folder up, then shouldn't the url be '../assets'?
[05:51] thelifelessone: gkatsev: I tried that already, gkat.
[05:51] thelifelessone: -_-
[05:51] purr: thelifelessone: ಠ_ಠ is an IRC client/IRC client framework.
[05:51] gkatsev: thelifelessone: you probably need an absolute path.
[05:51] thelifelessone: thank you, purr, and you're infinite wisdom. Now go do bot stuff.
[05:52] gkatsev: thelifelessone: why is the assets folder one folder up? sounds like a weird folder structure
[05:52] thelifelessone: I'm weird like that.
[05:52] mr_luc: nicholasf -- not directly related, but if you're open to an option that just feels ... wrong, have you looked at now.js? it's a fun little layer on top of socket.io, I've been playing around w/it this past week
[05:52] gkatsev: thelifelessone: well, try doing it the other way
[05:52] nicholasf: ffs thelifelessone you havent even gisted your code
[05:52] nicholasf: youve just said - my code doesnt work
[05:52] deoxxa: thelifelessone: don't be weird for no reason. it results in problems like this.
[05:52] nicholasf: and asked people to guess what's wrong with it
[05:52] gkatsev: nicholasf: he has, actually.
[05:52] deoxxa: nicholasf: he did
[05:52] gkatsev: nicholasf: https://gist.github.com/1520586
[05:53] nicholasf: gkatsev deoxxa ok ok sry
[05:53] gkatsev: np
[05:53] deoxxa: thelifelessone: do you want the assets to live under /assets in your urls? or no?
[05:53] nicholasf: ok, but there's no logging configured
[05:53] thelifelessone: Yeah
[05:53] thelifelessone: I do.
[05:53] deoxxa: ok then, you're going to want to set up a route then
[05:53] thelifelessone: 
ACTION sighs.

[05:53] thelifelessone: Alright.
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[05:53] deoxxa: it's not that hard
[05:53] nicholasf: mr_luc: looking at now.js now
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[05:54] thelifelessone: deoxxa: I know, I was just hoping for some sort of one-liner to feed the assets directly from the directory.
[05:54] deoxxa: app.get("/assets", express.static(__dirname + "/assets"));
[05:54] deoxxa: pretty easy imo
[05:54] gkatsev: heh
[05:54] thelifelessone: Gah
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[05:55] thelifelessone: HA, that still doesn't work.
[05:55] thelifelessone: Node hates me.
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[05:55] gkatsev: thelifelessone: is your folder structure still weird?
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[05:55] thelifelessone: gkatsev: Forever and always.
[05:55] gkatsev: thelifelessone: then it will forever and always not work
[05:55] mr_luc: it seems a little 'out there' to me, but depending on time constraints, project size, etc ... I could see myself using it for something simple
[05:56] thelifelessone: gkatsev: where should I put the assets file then?
[05:56] thelifelessone: with the views?
[05:56] gkatsev: thelifelessone: the same older as app.js is
[05:56] thelifelessone: it is...
[05:56] gkatsev: s/(older)/f\1/
[05:57] gkatsev: thelifelessone: you just said it was one dir up
[05:57] thelifelessone: I just moved it.
[05:57] thelifelessone: :(
[05:57] gkatsev: ah
[05:57] gkatsev: and still doesn't work?
[05:57] thelifelessone: nope.
[05:57] thelifelessone: gonna try something real quick...
[05:57] gkatsev: logs/errors are nice :P
[05:58] thelifelessone: it's not giving me any kind of errors.
[05:58] thelifelessone: it's always "Cannot GET /assets"
[05:58] gkatsev: weird
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[05:59] thelifelessone: https://gist.github.com/1520601 that's it right now
[05:59] Shaunzie: thelifelessone:  server.use(express.errorHandler({ dumpExceptions: true, showStack: true })); 
[05:59] Shaunzie: oh you already did that… >.>
[05:59] thelifelessone: Indeed.
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[05:59] thelifelessone: like I said, no errors. :/
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[05:59] gkatsev: is it running as dev server?
[06:00] thelifelessone: it should be.
[06:00] thelifelessone: I'm running it on Windows, if that means anything
[06:00] thelifelessone: using Node 0.6.2, and the latest git repo of express/jade
[06:01] gkatsev: thelifelessone: try just have it always doing the full error handling and comment out the dev/prod sections
[06:01] thelifelessone: gkatsev: how?
[06:01] nicholasf: mr_luc: now.js looks like fun
[06:01] gkatsev: thelifelessone: move server.use line to the first server.configure?
[06:02] thelifelessone: nothing
[06:02] thelifelessone: no errors.
[06:02] mr_luc: yeah, heh ... I'm starting a throwaway project that uses it; I think it's promising and so I'm just gonna start building with it and see how it is as a building material.
[06:03] nicholasf: mr_luc: yeh, I might use it to build my real-time layer
[06:03] mr_luc: usually a bit wary of rpc
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[06:03] mr_luc: but yeah, doesn't it just seem like it's wrapped up a lot of the behavior you'd want?
[06:04] nicholasf: 
ACTION nods

[06:04] thelifelessone: https://github.com/sanitypassing/Tesseract/tree/master/core
[06:04] thelifelessone: there
[06:04] thelifelessone: that's the directory layout
[06:04] nicholasf: yeh, and Ive just realised Ive been approaching node the wrong way
[06:04] nicholasf: I've been trying to impose a synchronous http request response structure on it
[06:04] thelifelessone: ingore the shitty commit comments
[06:04] nicholasf: I guess that's why they call it a learning curve
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[06:05] thelifelessone: gkatsev, https://github.com/sanitypassing/Tesseract/tree/master/core
[06:05] gkatsev: ok, that's fine
[06:05] thelifelessone: so then why the error? :(
[06:05] gkatsev: why it doesn't work, no clue
[06:05] thelifelessone: well, shit.
[06:06] thelifelessone: it works fine in the example project.
[06:06] Shaunzie: maybe a file permission error?
[06:06] gkatsev: thelifelessone: wait till tj is here, he'ss get your straightened out. probably.
[06:06] thelifelessone: Shaunzie: it's all running on WinXP.
[06:06] Shaunzie: windows kinda has funky file permission shits...
[06:06] gkatsev: I need to go sleep.
[06:06] gkatsev: night
[06:06] thelifelessone: gkatsev: night
[06:06] thelifelessone: Shaunzie: and the example project works perfect, with the static assets.
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[06:07] Shaunzie: is the aexample running on the same machine?
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[06:07] thelifelessone: Shaunzie: Yes.
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[06:08] Shaunzie: did you try moving 	server.use(express.static(__dirname + './assets')); out of the configure call back?
[06:09] thelifelessone: Shaunzie: it's not in a configure callback.
[06:09] thelifelessone: Shaunzie: https://github.com/sanitypassing/Tesseract/blob/master/core/tesseract.js
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[06:09] Shaunzie: that's the one that you're working on?
[06:09] thelifelessone: except now the other two configure statements are there, I just haven't pushed the latest copy
[06:09] Shaunzie: or is that the example?
[06:09] thelifelessone: yeah, but see above
[06:10] thelifelessone: there, I pushed the latest copy of everything
[06:11] thelifelessone: that's up-to-date as of 15 seconds ago
[06:13] Shaunzie: try removing server.get("/assets", express.static(__dirname + "/assets"));
[06:13] Shaunzie: after 	server.use(server.router);
[06:13] Shaunzie: add 	server.use(express.static(__dirname + '/assets'));
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[06:14] Shaunzie: also what browser are you using? if you say explorer I will probably shoot you :D
[06:14] thelifelessone: Chrome, of course.
[06:14] Shaunzie: lol had to check :)
[06:14] thelifelessone: I understand.
[06:14] thelifelessone: I was once prey to the evil of IE.
[06:14] thelifelessone: :)
[06:15] Shaunzie: Now if only we can get you to stop using windows all would be well with the world x3.
[06:15] Shaunzie: j/k
[06:15] Shaunzie: sort of >.>
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[06:15] thelifelessone: Hey, if I could afford a Mac.
[06:15] thelifelessone: or a decent laptop for Linux
[06:15] Shaunzie: you can afford linux ;)
[06:15] thelifelessone: but not the laptop
[06:15] thelifelessone: :(
[06:15] Shaunzie: linux is free O.o
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[06:15] thelifelessone: Yeaaaah
[06:16] thelifelessone: all I've got is an approx. seven year old desktop
[06:16] Shaunzie: That's fine, linux will work for it lol
[06:16] thelifelessone: not really.
[06:16] thelifelessone: it barely runs windows.
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[06:16] thelifelessone: and I've attempted Linux before.
[06:16] thelifelessone: didn't do so good.
[06:16] thelifelessone: anyways, that doesn't work either
[06:16] Shaunzie: you can run linux on a commodore 386 if you wanted to O.o
[06:16] thelifelessone: my computer is slower than that. :(
[06:16] Shaunzie: hell… you can fit linux on anything
[06:17] thelifelessone: plus I have my Spotify addiction to worry about
[06:17] Shaunzie: Spotify works on linux too :D
[06:17] Shaunzie: wine :D
[06:17] thelifelessone: Not compatible with my audio or something like that.
[06:17] thelifelessone: I dunno.
[06:17] Shaunzie: everything works on linux, except iTunes ._.
[06:17] thelifelessone: I'm gonna get off my ass and get a job soon though
[06:18] thelifelessone: well, technically, I've been off my ass getting a job, but no one wants to hire a minor in this town
[06:18] thelifelessone: BUT THAT CHANGES SOO. VERY SOON.
[06:18] thelifelessone: Actually.
[06:18] thelifelessone: wait.
[06:18] thelifelessone: that changed approx. 18 minutes ago. o_o
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[06:19] thelifelessone: damn it's later than I thought
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[06:19] Shaunzie: happy birthday? O.o
[06:19] thelifelessone: heh
[06:19] thelifelessone: thanks. :O
[06:20] Shaunzie: dammit! I wish send grid would get off their asses and a activate my account! >.<
[06:20] Shaunzie: now I just refuse to pay on principle >.>
[06:20] thelifelessone: heh
[06:20] thelifelessone: Ah, well. I'll leave this problem for tomorrow.
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[06:20] thelifelessone: Until then, SKYRIM.
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[06:32] gkatsev: TheFuzzball: get lubuntu or something. Not ubuntu or kubuntu. xubuntu will be ok too. lubuntu is *really* light weight
[06:33] Shaunzie: Ubuntu is really really light weight if you don't use a window manager… command line is all you need!
[06:34] gkatsev: well, the lubuntu's wm is really light weight, though, yes, not as light weight as a terminal
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[06:49] jesusabdullah: lubuntu looks sweet
[06:50] jesusabdullah: I appreciate that ldm is componentized
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[07:01] disappearedng: Hey andrew12 you still here? 
[07:01] andrew12: yes
[07:03] andrew12: but i'm about to go
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[07:09] disappearedng: ok then nvm I can bug you another day 
[07:10] disappearedng: I was just asking whether you have completed your gist just now
[07:10] Shaunzie: bah… I hate reading through the source code for mongoose .....
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[07:12] stringa: Hey.  I'm new to node and I'm just trying to get webdriver (https://github.com/dmachi/webdriver-js) to work with nodules.  I am using the example from https://github.com/dmachi/webdriver-js but I error out, because my variables arn't defined. and it seems that I need to somehow include 'webdriver' into the current running script
[07:12] jesusabdullah: Has anybody here done facebook graph stuff with node?
[07:12] jesusabdullah: Any favorite libraries for that sort of thing?
[07:12] jesusabdullah: There are a lot of them
[07:14] Shaunzie: mm isn't there javascript libraries for facebook's graph api?
[07:14] Shaunzie: I thought Facebook had some last I checked.
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[07:16] jesusabdullah: maybe
[07:16] jesusabdullah: I just did an npm search
[07:17] jesusabdullah: I'm not thinking too clearly, sorry (migraine)
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[07:28] root_____: Hello
[07:28] root_____: How do  you guys feel about drykup
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[07:30] runvnc: pretty excited about it then
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[07:32] runvnc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVpY_qIPM34
[07:32] Shaunzie: omg…… wtf!
[07:33] Shaunzie: mongoose is pissing me off.....
[07:33] runvnc: I don't understand why people would use mongoose.
[07:33] runvnc: To me the whole point is to avoid having to define my models like that.
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[07:34] runvnc: what about mongolian deadbeef
[07:34] runvnc: have you tried that
[07:34] Shaunzie: Have you tried smelling your own ass? O.o
[07:35] runvnc: So you're saying you don't like mongolian deadbeef for some reason.
[07:35] runvnc: You know I have so many wonderful experiences on irc.
[07:35] Shaunzie: no I'm saying piss off :D
[07:36] runvnc: Well this is why I usually don't try to have actual conversations.
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[07:40] runvnc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-Th4ShE4ac
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[07:48] Shaunzie: debug> backtrace
[07:48] Shaunzie: There was an internal error in Node's debugger. Please report this bug.
[07:48] Shaunzie: Cannot read property 'isNative' of undefined
[07:48] Shaunzie: TypeError: Cannot read property 'isNative' of undefined
[07:48] Shaunzie: -.-
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[07:48] disappearedng: pastebin man 
[07:49] Shaunzie: nothing to paste… node debugger just fucked me in the face and I didn't like it -.-
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[07:56] disappearedng: How do I even do timeout in node? https://gist.github.com/85dc0ddc45b0eebefcd3 wouldn't this block one specific socket? 
[07:57] Shaunzie: remove window
[07:57] Shaunzie: setTimeout is a global function 
[07:57] Shaunzie: > set
[07:57] Shaunzie: setInterval  setTimeout   
[07:57] disappearedng: well anyway wouldn't that still be blocking that specific thread? 
[07:58] disappearedng: sorry not thread, but the concurrency
[07:59] Shaunzie: mmm I not sure and the documentation doesn't say 
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[08:01] benvie:  er
[08:02] benvie: timer functions don't block anything
[08:02] Shaunzie: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5849106/how-does-settimeout-works-on-node-js
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[08:02] benvie: it uses the system's media timer
[08:02] benvie: or precision timer or whatever they call it
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[08:03] benvie: it's faster than the one browsers use anyway, but it's a callback and non-blocking in and of itself
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[09:13] Shaunzie: is there anyway to get a decent backtrace in node.....
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[09:25] hugdubois: hi
[09:25] Shaunzie: howdidlydo
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[09:25] hugdubois: i have problem
[09:26] hugdubois: node warn me with (node) Hit max file limit. Increase "ulimit - n"
[09:26] hugdubois: but on my system ulimit -n is unilimited
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[09:29] Shaunzie: ulimit -n should show how many files can be opened
[09:29] Shaunzie: on mac the default is 256 I think
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[09:30] Shaunzie: ulimit -n 512 would raise the limit to 512 
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[10:06] enzo: hello
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[10:08] enzo: I have a strange thing, I'd like to call JSLint.js on some content, so I've created a little nodejs script that reads stdin and give all this to JSLint for analysis, here is the script http://pastebin.com/a9ghrRRD
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[10:09] enzo: but when I launch ./jslint.js | cat my_js_to_analyse.js (jslint.js is the little script pasted on pastebin), I can read on stdout some content of my js to analyse and it blocks
[10:10] enzo: any idea ?
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[10:13] vol4ok: Hello. Why util.pump returns to callback with err=undefined?
[10:13] vol4ok: Does it must be so, or I have mistake?
[10:13] vol4ok: arguments = { '0': undefined, '1': undefined, '2': undefined }
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[10:22] ALaguna: Could someone help me a little bit with a newbie problem?
[10:22] Shaunzie: what's the problem?
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[10:23] ALaguna: How could I make requests to a node app from another app to be able to route them through socket.io? 
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[10:25] lulzilla: any driver for Neo4j so far?
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[10:28] ALaguna: I'm trying to make Asterisk to communicate with the node server and then broadcast info through the socket
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[10:48] ALaguna: Shaunzie do you have any idea?
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[11:58] omry: hi, how do I get the hostname of the machine running nodejs?
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[12:02] butu5: hi
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[12:38] tuhoojabotti: omry: If not process.ENV then use an external program?
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[12:47] davv3: 2
[12:47] butu5: davv3: ?
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[12:50] TheJH: butu5, 3+2=5 :D
[12:50] butu5: :)
[12:50] Shaunzie: fieldOrSpec.constructor === Object node is run, but evaluate to true when done from REPL?
[12:50] Shaunzie: ….
[12:51] Shaunzie: is it just cause I'm using v0.4.12?
[12:51] Shaunzie: ._.
[12:51] TheJH: Shaunzie, is that question complete? looks like some part of it is missing...
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[12:52] Shaunzie: fieldOrSpec is just an object fieldOrSpec = { stuff }
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[12:56] TheJH: shachaf, why shouldn't it be true?
[12:56] davv3: butu5: 3
[12:57] davv3: Yez
[12:57] Shaunzie: no idea why it wouldn't work :-/
[12:58] Shaunzie: Maybe one of packages I'm using is modifying the object prototype and doing funky things with it....
[12:59] davv3: everything inherits from Object no?
[13:00] davv3: short of
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[13:00] RLa: so what is that, function equality?
[13:01] davv3: what are you trying to do? :P
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[13:01] Shaunzie: tracking down a bug in mongoose
[13:01] Shaunzie: creating indexes causes an error
[13:01] Shaunzie:   } else if (fieldOrSpec.constructor === Object) {  // {location:'2d', type:1}
[13:01] Shaunzie: that's the line that's failing
[13:02] Shaunzie:   } else if (fieldOrSpec === Object(fieldOrSpec)) {  // {location:'2d', type:1}
[13:02] Shaunzie: that works
[13:02] Shaunzie: but I'm just tying to figure out why it isn't working
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[13:03] Shaunzie: is there a way to get a decent backtrace in node? ._.
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[13:04] davv3: PrintStackTrace() ? 
[13:04] davv3: exception.PrintStackTrace()
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[13:06] davv3: okthat is not the same in js as in java.
[13:06] Shaunzie: O.o
[13:06] davv3: https://github.com/eriwen/javascript-stacktrace :)
[13:07] davv3: if you care to
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[13:10] sleeploud: Morning.
[13:10] oddmunds: i'm a total noob to this. i've got node.js v0.6.6 and node-webworker seems to not work at all. what should I do?
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[13:12] oddmunds: should i try an older version of nodejs?
[13:15] Shaunzie: so yah….   console.log(fieldOrSpec.consturctor === Object) -> false when executed from node…. fieldOrSpec.constructor === Object -> true from REPL and the problem only occurs in node_modules/mongoose/node_modules/mongodb/lib/mongodb/commands/db_command.js .....
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[13:18] sirwan: Does anyone know of a guide on putting node on a VPS and making it work with domain names as oppose to having a domain name and a port number in the URL ???
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[13:19] Shaunzie: Don't thin you need a guide of that you just need to have node running on port 80, which requires root access
[13:19] sirwan: but i have apache on port 80
[13:19] Shaunzie: other than that you can put nginx in front of it and proxy to port 80
[13:19] Shaunzie: you want Apache disabled if you want to use node
[13:19] Shaunzie: Apache is POS anyway sorta kinda >.>
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[13:20] sirwan: yeah. but that still sucks
[13:20] sirwan: i have a wordpress site on my Vps
[13:20] omry: tuhoojabotti, require("os").hostname()
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[13:21] sirwan: also, can i have multiple node.js sites running under one VPS ?
[13:21] Shaunzie: mmm if you want to keep Apache, then you're going to have to try using Apache to proxy to port __ENTER_NODE_PORT_HERE__
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[13:21] Tom_: SubStack: hey there, do you know that findit seems broken on windows with node 0.6?
[13:21] sirwan: screw that, i think ill move my wordpress site to a shared hosting account
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[13:22] Shaunzie: good deal :D
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[13:22] sirwan: yeah, but about nodes having more than one site on a VPS is it possible ?
[13:22] Shaunzie: Sure
[13:22] sirwan: how would nodes differentiate between the multiple sites
[13:23] Shaunzie: You would just run each site off a different port
[13:23] Shaunzie: and then have nginx take care of proxing
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[13:23] sirwan: so basically.. nginx is a must for a typical node installation ?
[13:23] sirwan: regardless of whether i configure apache 
[13:23] sirwan: for node
[13:24] sirwan: I'm hoping to right a definitive guide for the n00b installation of getting node up and running
[13:24] sirwan: sorry for so many questions
[13:24] txdv: to right?
[13:25] Industrial: sirwan: no, you don't need anything else then node
[13:25] Shaunzie: You don't have to use nginx, but you'll have to put something in front of the node process and proxy to port 80
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[13:26] Industrial: https://github.com/nodejitsu/node-http-proxy
[13:26] sirwan: ok
[13:26] sirwan: id love a guide to getting this setup for n00bs
[13:26] Shaunzie: I would rather a proxy written in C :-/
[13:26] sirwan: seems like there is no standard way of doing anything anymore
[13:27] sirwan: lol Shaunzie 
[13:28] mmalecki: Shaunzie: this thing is *fast*
[13:28] txdv: yea, standard is for noobs
[13:29] Shaunzie: sirwan: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5009324/node-js-nginx-and-now
[13:30] sirwan: tnx Shaunzie 
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[13:32] Shaunzie: Ok… I'm gonna sleep now….. yah… that would be good
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[14:05] case_: hi there. i've just updated expresso to 0.9.2 and it seems like coverage (-c) doesn't work anymore...
[14:05] case_: any idea?
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[14:45] CIA-109: node: 03koichik 07v0.6 * r7aa5924 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[14:45] CIA-109: node: http: fix resource leak
[14:45] CIA-109: node: Fixes #2069 - http://git.io/661iXA
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[14:48] ncursestest73: hello!
[14:48] ncursestest73: :xDasdasd;
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[15:16] CIA-109: node: 03koichik 07master * re6b6075 10/ (lib/http.js test/simple/test-http-pause.js): 
[15:16] CIA-109: node: http: Avoid 'data'/'end' events after pause()
[15:16] CIA-109: node: Fixes #1040. - http://git.io/o6bwhQ
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[15:35] butu5: hi
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[15:41] malkomalko: anybody use the new zlib module? I'm trying to create a gz line reader to stream lines from gzip files.. the first pass through the stream while gunzip'n works fine, but all futures passes through the stream yields an empty buffer after gunzipping
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[15:52] txdv: Had anyone already have gotten the idea of implementing the JavaSCript Windows Runtime (WinRT) for node.js?
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[15:53] butu5: txdv: what do u mean by it?
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[15:54] txdv: like Windows 8 will have this possibility to write stuff with JS
[15:54] txdv: I don't know how to explain this, either you know what WinRT is or you don't
[15:55] butu5: txdv: not working much in window system
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[16:16] benvie: problem with Win8 is that all the js stuff is available in the sandboxed metro part
[16:17] benvie: unless that's changed
[16:18] benvie: if it hasn't then anything that directly implemented node would require whatever the Win8 term for rooting a phone ends up being called
[16:18] benvie: otherwise it'll just be the same old talking over a socket basically as if it's a web client
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[16:18] benvie: because that's basically what it is
[16:19] benvie: just with more access
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[16:28] pksunkara: Command Line Arguments Specification - https://gist.github.com/1485856
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[16:40] Puj3: Anyone working with mongo?
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[16:41] Puj3: I'd like to write to a response in a mongo .find() callback, anyone know most elegant way to get the response object into the .find() callbacks scope
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[16:43] bls: (windows question) I write a module that need some DLL extra, but the require crash. Can i use DLLs or i have to static link them ?
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[16:49] Lingerance: Puj3: function fname(request, err, doc) {...}; cursor.next(fname.bind(null, request))
[16:49] Lingerance: Not necessary if you've got cursor.next()'s callback in scope of something that already has the request object.
[16:50] Puj3: It seems I'll have to pass it down the whole chain Lingerance
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[16:51] Puj3: db.open, db.collection, collection.find, cusor.each, will I have to bind all of those with the response
[16:51] defied1: how do I read a file from my ~ path? I'm trying to use fs.readFile('~/.bashrc') but it's not working :s
[16:51] Puj3: So I can have "this" context  referencing the response?
[16:51] Lingerance: You open on each request?
[16:51] Lingerance: That seems like it'd be slow
[16:52] Puj3: Ya it's slow, but so is my learning (=
[16:52] Lingerance: defied1: '~/.bashrc'.replace('^~', process.env.HOME)
[16:52] Puj3: Should I assign the collection I'm working with to some persistence object and just do finds on that for each request?
[16:53] deoxxa: i have a stupidly simple wrapper around mongodb-native that lets me pretend to open a connection on each request
[16:53] mmalecki: path.resolve does that, I think
[16:53] deoxxa: 
ACTION grins

[16:53] defied1: thanks Lingerance
[16:53] Puj3: Sort of like a static singleton connection deoxxa?
[16:54] defied1: mmalecki: I tried path.resolve, doesn't work, simply appends the ~ to the current directory
[16:54] Lingerance: mmalecki: I does not
[16:54] Lingerance: It*
[16:54] deoxxa: Puj3: not really - https://github.com/deoxxa/node-mongo-getter/blob/master/lib/mongo-getter.js
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[16:55] mmalecki: Lingerance: oh? I know there was a python function to do something like that
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[16:55] Niro: Hello! how does this work exactly? :)
[16:55] Puj3: That's cute deoxxa
[16:55] Niro: I ask a question and some noble sole helsp me out? :D
[16:56] Lingerance: soul*
[16:56] Lingerance: Yes
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[16:56] deoxxa: Niro: that or call your names - it's really a lucky dip
[16:56] Puj3: Alright, thanks deoxxa, Lingerance. Apprecaite it.
[16:56] deoxxa: *you
[16:57] Puj3: Appreciate*
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[16:57] Niro: doexxa, I'm sorry? call my names?
[16:57] Lingerance: gg
[16:57] deoxxa: typo, was meant to be "you"
[16:57] jerrysv: hello #node.js
[16:57] deoxxa: backfired pretty bad
[16:57] deoxxa: 
ACTION sighs

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[16:58] Niro_: I have no idea how that happened
[16:59] Niro_: anyway - I'm trying to implement a keepalive on a pretty basic webserver
[16:59] Niro_: I'm using .net to build it ant not http, so bear with me
[16:59] Niro_: (this is a homework assignment so everything is pretty raw and simple)
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[17:00] Lingerance: .NET questions are better answered elsewhere
[17:00] Niro_: I've got my request/response js objects and I'm checking a keepalive 'flag' upon response.end() calls - if it's 'true' (i.e keepalive=true), I don't hit socket.end()
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[17:00] Niro_: what I'm trying to figure out is if socket.setTimeout(keepalivetimeout) would do the trick for what Im trying to do
[17:01] juanlargo: qq for anyone out there building big web apps
[17:01] juanlargo: how are you managing your client-side code?
[17:01] juanlargo: requirejs?
[17:01] Niro_: client side is Chrome :)
[17:02] juanlargo: maybe i should get more specific and ask if anyone is using requirejs with express
[17:02] deoxxa: juanlargo: i use ender in a couple of projects, and a horrible home-grown system in a more enterprisey thing at work
[17:02] Niro_: what I mean is, I hit socket.setTimeout(30000) in my server-connection event, if a client (i.e, browser) re-using the same socket comes along, will it restart the timer
[17:02] Niro_: what's requrie js?
[17:03] juanlargo: deoxxa: do you share code between server and client, or is it just a system to keep the client side more modular?
[17:03] webben: Niro_: http://requirejs.org/
[17:03] deoxxa: juanlargo: i share code - templates and other presentation stuff mostly
[17:03] juanlargo: cool, would you recommend looking into ender?
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[17:03] deoxxa: i would, it's quite nice to use
[17:04] deoxxa: http://ender.no.de/ if you hadn't already found it
[17:04] Niro_: webben, this is a debugging tool?
[17:04] webben: Niro_: No.
[17:04] Niro_: So waht is that?
[17:04] Niro_: I'm not allowed to use any external libraries :)
[17:04] juanlargo: Niro_: it's for managing your code in a modular fashion
[17:05] deoxxa: Niro_: it's unrelated to your question
[17:05] Niro_: Oh
[17:05] deoxxa: (there are people other than you in here)
[17:05] Niro_: I know, but he referenced me when he linked that.
[17:05] Niro_: So I asked.
[17:05] deoxxa: because you asked about it ._.
[17:05] deoxxa: 
ACTION is confused

[17:05] Niro_: Oh, hehe.
[17:06] Niro_: my bad.
[17:06] juanlargo: Anyways, I dig the commonJS approach and wanted to approximate that on the client side
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[17:06] juanlargo: but have been reading that some folks aren't down with that as a long term solution
[17:06] webben: Niro_: You're not allowed to use any external libraries?
[17:07] juanlargo: so just thought i'd see if anyone in here had experience either way
[17:07] Niro_: No, as I said, this is a homework assignment for university.
[17:07] webben: ah ok
[17:07] Niro_: My question is pretty much, how would you write a keepalive mechanism.
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[17:07] Niro_: When I open up chrome and log onto my sever, I get blasted by around 10 simultaneous connections, each getting its own socket.
[17:07] Niro_: Will any of those be re-used if I have keepalive on?
[17:08] deoxxa: juanlargo: well, there's some limitations with the require() approach - mainly that you can't inject stuff into the require()'d module
[17:08] deoxxa: not simply, anyway
[17:08] Niro_: I need to make sure they do. I was thinking about socket.setTimeout upon node.Server listening events.
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[17:09] deoxxa: Niro_: i don't quite get what node has to do with your .net server... can you explain how they're related?
[17:09] Niro_: my server is written in node.js? 
[17:09] Niro_: using the .net module
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[17:09] Niro_: I noted that because most of the examples over the internet use the .http module.
[17:10] Niro_: i.e, node.js .net module, not MS.Net :P
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[17:12] juanlargo: deoxxa: thanks for the tips, much appreciated
[17:12] juanlargo: happy holidays, folks
[17:12] deoxxa: juanlargo: no problem :)
[17:12] deoxxa: Niro_: ohh, that makes more sense
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[17:13] Niro_: yeah :)
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[17:13] butu5: Hey guys.. I created a simple chrome notificaation which listen to this irc channel
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[17:13] butu5: any one want to try? give me some suggeston?
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[17:13] butu5: developed using node.js and socket.io
[17:14] Niro_: doexxa, am I right in my assumption? if my server implements keepalive correctly, Chrome will reuse open sockets in its next reqeust from my server?
[17:17] deoxxa: Niro_: it's hard to tell - you might want to try curl
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[17:17] deoxxa: Niro_: curl will definitely use a single connection and keepalive
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[17:19] Niro_: Okay
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[17:19] Niro_: But am I right to assume that when I do 'socket.setTimeout(...)' each time a new socket is initiated - that if the browser reuses an old socket, the timer will be restarted?
[17:19] Niro_: i.e, is that the way net.Socket.setTimeout() works?
[17:20] Niro_: the whole reason i"m asking this is because socket.setKeepAlive doesn't seem to do what I need/want.
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[17:21] deoxxa: you won't get two separate connection events, you know that, right?
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[17:21] deoxxa: setTimeout() just affects the connection timeout as far as i know
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[17:21] deoxxa: so long as you don't actually close the socket (and the client doesn't close it), it won't just be "cleaned up" or anything
[17:21] deoxxa: that's not how TCP works
[17:22] omenkzz: hello
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[17:23] omenkzz: how to get friends with node-xmpp
[17:23] omenkzz: thans master
[17:23] Niro_: hmm
[17:23] Niro_: yeah, well that makes sense
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[17:24] Niro_: actually it makes a lot of sense.
[17:24] Niro_: So, I need a way to restart the timer in case the client sends me a new reqeust.
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[17:24] llrcombs: 
ACTION should set up a plugin to correct the grammar of any line matching the regex "how to .* thank*s"

[17:25] Niro_: but a new request WILL initiate a new connection event (and a new socket), won't it?
[17:25] omenkzz_: i will get friends in google talk with node-xmpp
[17:25] Astro: omenkzz: jabber:iq:roster request
[17:25] omenkzz_: waw astro 
[17:25] omenkzz_: ttanks astro 
[17:25] omenkzz_: thanks astro
[17:25] omenkzz_: i use your node-xmpp
[17:25] omenkzz_: :)
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[17:27] Astro: you're lucky to catch me on the autobahn when we uave a 900kb/s internet link
[17:28] Astro: anyone here up for a node meetup at #28c3?
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[17:29] butu5: in socket.io, Broadcasting means sending a message to everyone else except for the socket that starts it.
[17:29] butu5: I want to send the msg to the socket that starts it
[17:29] omenkzz: waw
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[17:30] omenkzz: astro,, i need node-xmpp-client?
[17:30] Astro: depends
[17:30] Astro: node-xmpp leaves the higher-level stuff to you
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[17:31] omenkzz: woo
[17:31] omenkzz: oww
[17:32] Astro: use -client unless you want to dive into XMPP
[17:32] omenkzz: i try make facebook chat with node-xmpp
[17:32] Astro: xmpp is a nice protocol, give it a shot ;)
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[17:33] omenkzz: i try make facebook chat with node-xmpp too
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[17:33] Astro: it's decenyralized, unlike FB
[17:33] omenkzz: i use https://gist.github.com/1267770
[17:33] omenkzz: but failed
[17:33] omenkzz: :)
[17:34] chapel: butu5: io.sockets.emit
[17:34] chapel: that sends to all connected sockets
[17:34] chapel: if you want to send to just the socket that you are dealing with, then socket.emit
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[17:35] butu5: chapel: ohh thanks a lot :) I am reading a bit about broadcast.. but this make sense
[17:35] butu5: let me try
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[17:35] chapel: io = whatever you named the io server variable
[17:35] chapel: in examples its always io
[17:36] chapel: and io.sockets is all connected sockets
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[17:36] Tom_: Is this a common error when using inputStream.write ? https://gist.github.com/1521693
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[17:39] Lingerance: Tom_: You're supposed to read from inputstreams
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[17:40] Tom_: Lingerance: eh, how does that make sense? I'm talking about streams like stdin. They can be written to. 
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[17:40] deoxxa: you can not write to stdin
[17:40] Lingerance: input means input comes from outside of the application (IE the data is coming in)
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[17:41] deoxxa: or at least - you should not write to stdin
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[17:41] Lingerance: output means data is leaving the applicate (IE the data is going out)
[17:41] deoxxa: the ability to break the user's hands would be cool though
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[17:41] Tom_: Lingerance: of course the data is coming in, its coming in because I am writing to the application
[17:41] Tom_: I'm talking about stdin of a child process
[17:42] Tom_: not stdin of the node process
[17:42] Lingerance: child.stdin is an outputStream to the parent
[17:42] Tom_: oh, well in that case pardon my terminology
[17:42] Tom_: I meant child.stdin
[17:43] Lingerance: Eitherway, data is undefined there.
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[17:44] Leemp: What the general disctinction/difference between say, process.cwd() and whatever working directory fs.realpath('.') is using? (For example, i can set process.chdir('/somedir') and yet fs.realpathSync('.') does not reflect /somedir. Thoughts?
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[17:45] Lingerance: AFAICT each module has its own cwd.
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[17:47] Leemp: Ah hah, i just ran that test
[17:47] mmalecki: has anyone tried recording audio in node?
[17:47] mmalecki: like, natively, without calling shell commands?
[17:48] Leemp: So, what distinction does a process have? For example, in one module you can set process.chdir('/mydir'), but then in another module if you run process.cwd(), it's not /mydir
[17:49] Leemp: Is each process essentially each synchronous task?
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[17:52] stagas: Leemp: there's one process object per process, so this shouldn't happen
[17:53] Leemp: stagas: Well, i'm using nodeunit, so that may have something to do with it.. not sure
[17:55] Leemp: Either way, between an index.js file, and a module in that dir (the index.js runs first), process.chdir('blah') doesn't get reflected in the module
[17:55] Leemp: oo, process has a pid, i'll run that real quick
[17:57] Leemp: Eegads, ty stagas! I was mistaken! module was running first!
[17:57] Leemp: Very odd. I would have sworn index ran first.. seeing as it's the index of the directory. 
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[18:01] tab1293: im trying to install zmq by npm install zmq but i get the error that the node path can not be found
[18:01] tab1293: node is definitely installed on my system though
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[18:03] stagas: Leemp: maybe index.js requires the module at the top?
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[18:04] Leemp: stagas: Ya.. i'm just going to stick my head in the sand for the rest of the day. ty :)
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[18:06] Leemp: stagas: On a side note, if you require a module by relative directory.. require('../mymodule.js'), does that relative directory get calculated in the context of the process.cwd()? Or is it relative to the file using require, completely separate from the cwd?
[18:06] stagas: Leemp: it's relative to the file using require
[18:06] Leemp: Lovely, ty :)
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[18:09] tab1293: does anoyne have zmq installed form node?
[18:10] stagas: Leemp: and __dirname is the current script's directory
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[18:11] Leemp: Yup :), i noticed it was absolute aswell, double bonus
[18:11] jlank: is the nodeup podcast on a schedule of any sort? I'd like to be in the irc for #10
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[18:20] teadict: lawl http://lab.hakim.se/zoom-js/
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[18:22] ChrisMatthieu: teadict: Very nice!
[18:23] teadict: kind of cool, huh
[18:23] jlank: thumbs up :)
[18:23] ChrisMatthieu: just tweeted about it
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[18:25] orospakr: Hi!  What are folks' favourite job/promise modules?  q is utterly ungooglable, seq appears broken and annoying, and async so far looks the most solid.
[18:26] mmalecki: orospakr: haven't used it, but I've heard it's good: https://github.com/medikoo/deferred
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[18:29] lincolnn: happy holidays
[18:30] orospakr: mmalecki, thanks :)
[18:31] tab1293: can node send data to be downloaded by the clients browser onto the users computer?
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[18:37] Pritchard: How would I structure a LAMP-equivalent production environment if I use Node.js as my server instead?
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[18:38] ben_alman: i'm trying to use nave on os x 10.7 do install node, and when i do nave install 0.5.10 it dies with: /Users/cowboy/.nave/src/0.5.10/wscript:366: error: Could not autodetect OpenSSL support. Make sure OpenSSL development packages are installed. Use configure --without-ssl to disable this message.
[18:38] ben_alman: any suggestions?
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[18:41] chapel: ben_alman: why 0.5.10?
[18:41] chapel: and have you tried other versions?
[18:41] ben_alman: i wanted to install the latest 0.5 to test something
[18:41] ben_alman: hmmn no, let me
[18:41] hij1nx: ben_alman: why not just use the osx installer? ;)
[18:41] ben_alman: hij1nx: i'm writing an automated installer
[18:42] hij1nx: ben_alman: ooo, nice
[18:42] ben_alman: why not use nave, a tool meant for installing multiple versions of nopde simultaneously
[18:42] chapel: ben_alman: 0.5 is the working branch for 0.6
[18:42] ben_alman: chapel: i don't understand what that means
[18:42] chapel: everything that is in 0.6 came from 0.5
[18:43] chapel: odd branches are 'experimental'
[18:43] chapel: even are stable
[18:43] chapel: now that 0.6 is out
[18:43] chapel: you shouldn't even look at 0.5
[18:43] hij1nx: ben_alman: not really sure i have the need for it
[18:43] ben_alman: gotcha
[18:44] hij1nx: ben_alman: usually if i need to switch, i just conf/make/instal
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[18:44] ben_alman: nave install 0.4.12 just dies
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[18:52] ben_alman: well, nave seems pretty broken
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[18:58] orospakr: ugh, I wish that readdir() on node returned the inode and type of each item in the directory, like the standard UNIX one it is obviously backed by.
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[18:58] orospakr: It means that you often have to call stat() on each entry in order to determine that it's a directory.
[18:59] orospakr: (if you want to recurse, say)
[18:59] mmalecki: orospakr++
[18:59] orospakr: vindication ;)
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[19:06] ben_alman: i can't make older versions of node on osx 10.7 because openssl isn't installed... hrmn
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[19:10] NHQ: hollar
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[19:15] NHQ: how does one add a chunk of 8bit integers (an array buffer) to an existing node,js buffer?
[19:16] ben_alman: anyone here building node on osx 10.7 with openssl?
[19:16] Lingerance: buffer.writeUint8()
[19:17] devdazed: hi all, is there any built-in method for packing binary in nodejs?
[19:17] NHQ: @Lingerance does that only write a single 8bit integrer, or will it write a whole an array of them?
[19:17] devdazed: similar to python's struct.pack
[19:18] devdazed: or java's bytebuffer
[19:18] Lingerance: NHQ: you loop.
[19:18] Lingerance: defied1: Buffer objects
[19:19] defied1: devdazed: ^ :)
[19:19] NHQ: @Lingerance ok, that what I thought. was hoping there was a way to write chunks at a time like with buffer strings
[19:19] devdazed: how can i specify in the buffer object how I want it packed though?
[19:20] devdazed: for instance if I want to pack a long or a short etc
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[19:20] Lingerance: writeUint32 for uint32_t, there's stuff for floats and such
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[19:21] devdazed: thanks
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[19:48] lmatteis: can anyone help me understand what streams are in node
[19:48] lmatteis: or generally what a stream is
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[19:51] Pritchard: lmatteis:  Well, in general a stream is just a buffer of data.
[19:52] lmatteis: hrm ok
[19:52] teadict: streams are data, but they are streams because there's something watching that data going through
[19:52] lmatteis: what do you mean "something watching"
[19:52] lmatteis: like in C to do an http request i read "buffers" of data until the entire request length is read
[19:52] lmatteis: is that a stream?
[19:53] Pritchard: lmatteis:  Yeah.  I mean, C/C++ even uses the term stream.
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[19:53] teadict: yes.. only there, you're just waiting for the data to go through
[19:53] teadict: sometimes, whatever is watching the data go through, is waiting for some pattern or someting
[19:53] lmatteis: what do you mean? can you give me an example?
[19:54] teadict: take a JSON string.. full of html tags
[19:54] teadict: you want to collect the img's
[19:54] teadict: you watch the stream of json and take the img
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[19:55] teadict: and assign an event to that capturing of a img tag
[19:55] lmatteis: so "watching" is basically something that gets called (a callback) when a chunk of data is read?
[19:55] teadict: to add it to a list of images on the clietn side
[19:55] teadict: yes
[19:55] teadict: when a stream is analyzed
[19:55] teadict: and so on
[19:55] teadict: at least, that's what I understand...
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[19:56] Pritchard: lmatteis:  Just consider the bare minimal requirement of calling something a stream to be a buffer.
[19:57] lmatteis: i don't understand
[19:57] Pritchard: You seemed okay up until just a moment ago.
[19:57] Pritchard: What happened?
[19:57] teadict: forget about my silly example
[19:57] lmatteis: that last statement was referred to your phrase
[19:57] Pritchard: Okay.  I'll reword it.
[19:58] Pritchard: If you have a buffer, you may just have a stream, depending on context.
[19:58] Pritchard: The fact is, programmers throw (some) jargon around loosely.
[19:58] lmatteis: okay
[19:58] Pritchard: In rigorous models, a stream will be rigorously defined.  In more loose models, you might call something a "stream" just because of how it's used, or because "buffer" was already taken.
[19:58] teadict: buffer(stream(data))
[19:59] Pritchard: teadict:  Thanks.
[19:59] teadict: one contains the other
[19:59] Pritchard: But doesn't stream(buffer(data)) make more sense?
[19:59] teadict: I think I placed them in terms of functionality
[19:59] Pritchard: A buffer is just an array of data, a stream may have specifications as to how it should be formatted.
[19:59] teadict: a buffers does something with the stream
[19:59] teadict: a stream by itself is just data passing through
[20:00] teadict: but yes, could be too, there's only information!
[20:00] teadict: and we ruin it with tags ):
[20:00] Pritchard: Heh.
[20:01] Pritchard: What are you suggesting, that we come up with an unambiguous, tagless language?
[20:01] lmatteis: i thought the term stream was not referred to simple data but the flow of data
[20:01] teadict: I'm suggesting we need Telephaty like RIGHT NOW
[20:01] teadict: it's time already dammit
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[20:01] Pritchard: lmatteis:  Well, streams can be thought of as coming from somewhere or going somewhere.
[20:01] teadict: *pathy
[20:01] Pritchard: In C/C++, you have input streams like stdin and stdout.
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[20:02] Pritchard: s/input streams/i\/o streams
[20:02] Pritchard: So yes.  The application matters.
[20:04] Pritchard: But ultimately, a stream is just a buffer of data, like anything else we do in computing.  We just have sets of data, with some kind of formatting specification, and we do something with that set.
[20:04] Pritchard: ... Sometimes I think the fundamentals of computing are lost in abstractions.
[20:04] lmatteis: so in context of Node?
[20:04] lmatteis: what's useful for me to know?
[20:04] Pritchard: lmatteis:  I think that if the term "stream" concerns you so much, you need to start building actual applications.
[20:05] Pritchard: Because this is a nuance.
[20:05] Pritchard: It's petty.
[20:05] lmatteis: it's not concerning me much
[20:05] lmatteis: however it popus in the Node api
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[20:05] Pritchard: I think we've answered enough of your questions on streams, as well as had a friendly discussion on the matter.
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[20:07] Leemp: What's the api call to check if a directory exists? fs.stat() seems to gather information, and if all you want is to know if it exists or not, it seems a bit wasteful
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[20:12] NHQ: I've got one: is it possible to concat two new Buffer(Array);s?
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[20:13] TheJH: NHQ, you want to concat buffers?
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[20:14] tjfontaine: https://github.com/coolaj86/node-bufferjs/blob/master/bufferjs/concat.js
[20:14] TheJH: NHQ, var bigbuffer = new Buffer(buf1.length+buf2.length); buf1.copy(bigbuf); buf2.copy(bigbuf, buf1.length)
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[20:19] wok: hi guys. following the docs on http.get(), does the res object fire any sort of finish event when all thebody has been recieved?
[20:20] mansoor: wok: you can give it a callback
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[20:21] wok: yes, and and the callback send the res object as the parameter, to which you bind to the 'data' event
[20:21] NHQ: @TheJH yes i do, is it possible? i would like to do it in place of looping
[20:21] wok: but.. how do i know when all the 'data' events have compeleted?
[20:22] wok: or am i missing something completely here
[20:22] tuhoojabotti: wok: on end
[20:22] wok: end
[20:22] tuhoojabotti: https://github.com/VesQ/cbNetwork-node/blob/master/src/HTTP.js :D
[20:22] TheJH: NHQ, if you know you only have two buffers, the code I posted should work
[20:22] wok: thank you
[20:22] tuhoojabotti: Hmm
[20:23] tuhoojabotti: I don't think that code is even tested, oh well.
[20:24] NHQ: #TheJH actually I will have many buffers, but i can loop buffer.copy, and save a step (additionally of loops)
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[20:26] NHQ: thanks! @TheJH
[20:27] wok: tuhoojabotti: is it 'end' for nodes HTTP module, or just that code module you linked to? as 'end' isnt firing here :/
[20:27] wok: oh wait.. logic fail
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[20:28] wok: thans tuhoojabotti :)
[20:28] tuhoojabotti: lost internet
[20:29] tuhoojabotti: wok: I said that code wasn't tested :D
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[20:29] wok: yea, i wasnt using that code :p
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[20:29] tuhoojabotti: ye
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[20:29] tuhoojabotti: argh
[20:29] tuhoojabotti: I need internet :(
[20:29] wok: just needed the 'end' event. and actually binded to the right object >.<
[20:30] tuhoojabotti: hehe
[20:30] tuhoojabotti: damn storm breaking everything
[20:31] tuhoojabotti: wok: http://urly.fi/wQ
[20:32] wok: oh.. it is in the docs..
[20:32] tuhoojabotti: Yup
[20:32] tuhoojabotti: ;)
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[20:33] tuhoojabotti: Well, good night ya'll
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[20:42] swanky: have anyone used modules jsdom and request to capture ajax populated content, and possibly could point me to example.
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[21:03] NHQ: I'm having an NPM error after installing with the Mac OSX Node 0.6.6: https://gist.github.com/1522109
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[21:04] NHQ: That also happened after building 0.6.6 on my own :\
[21:05] TheJH: NHQ, what do `node -v` and `npm -v` say?
[21:05] NHQ: @TheJH node version 0.6.6 npm --v error
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[21:06] TheJH: NHQ, `grep version /Users/elenagragasin/local/node/lib/node_modules/npm/package.json`
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[21:07] NHQ: "version" : "1.0.8"
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[21:07] TheJH: NHQ, ugh, that's pretty old
[21:07] TheJH: NHQ, update npm
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[21:07] NHQ: :^U
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[21:08] NHQ: i tried installing it with the old sudo curl | sh and I still had problems
[21:08] NHQ: will try again
[21:08] TheJH: NHQ, "the old sudo curl | sh" is an old mistake
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[21:09] TheJH: NHQ, don't sudo the curl, sudo the sh
[21:09] TheJH: NHQ, you need root rights for installing, not for downloading
[21:09] daneroo: Anyone know a way to restrict/force dnode (over socket.io) to using xhr-polling (doesn't seem to fall back gracefully when deploying on cloudfoundry)
[21:09] NHQ: ooooooh
[21:10] NHQ: i mean, that is obvious ^__^
[21:10] TheJH: NHQ, don't worry, a lot of people ran into that before :D
[21:10] NHQ: should i clone the gut, curl or which?
[21:10] TheJH: *git ? :P
[21:10] TheJH: curl
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[21:11] TheJH: install from git only if you want git head or so
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[21:12] NHQ: @theJH this exploded all up in my terminal: curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh
[21:12] TheJH: NHQ, huh?
[21:12] daneroo: Any on used dnode on cloudfoundry (node.js) ?
[21:13] TheJH: NHQ, you mean, you didn't append the `| sudo sh`?
[21:13] NHQ: correct
[21:13] NHQ: should I have?
[21:13] TheJH: yes
[21:13] TheJH: !@NHQ mem npm-install
[21:13] jhbot: NHQ, you can install npm by doing "curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sudo sh". If you don't feel comfortable piping data from http in a sudo'ed shell (which really isn't a good idea), you can also download it, look at it and then pipe it in the shell.
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[21:16] NHQ: @ThJH I did it the curl | sudo sh way, seems to install, still got error : https://gist.github.com/1522109
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[21:19] NHQ: still old version too
[21:21] NHQ: make install-ing form git repo, seeing lines, taking long time
[21:22] NHQ: *from
[21:22] TheJH: NHQ, hmm, ok, I guess you now have two versions installed
[21:22] TheJH: NHQ, the git repo won't help with that
[21:22] TheJH: pretty sure
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[21:22] NHQ: maybe I have a stale $PATH or something?
[21:23] TheJH: NHQ, no, you really have two versions installed
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[21:23] TheJH: NHQ, what does `which npm` or `whereis npm` or so say?
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[21:27] NHQ: #TheJH /Users/elenagragasin/local/node/bin/npm
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[21:28] TheJH: NHQ, hmmm... maybe try renaming that file, then try running npm again?
[21:28] jocafa: http://links.evilmadscientist.com/post/14793012972/programmer-ryan-gosling
[21:30] NHQ: renaming the npm folder?
[21:30] NHQ: no luck
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[21:31] TheJH: NHQ, :(
[21:31] TheJH: NHQ, maybe you'll have to wait for isaacs to show up...
[21:32] TheJH: uh, -NickServ- Last seen  : Dec 22 07:20:30 2011 (4 days, 14:11:24 ago)
[21:32] TheJH: or not wait for him...
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[21:32] TheJH: NHQ, open a github issue
[21:33] NHQ: ok
[21:34] NHQ: actually to helll with it, i'm downloading all my modeuls from now on
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[21:41] jsvana: What is the recommended package for session management without express?
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[21:43] idefine: when trying to do an npm link I get permissions denied, is there some setting i can change so that the directory it creates the link in has permissions? what is the directory it is trying to create the link in in the first place?
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[21:45] jorgen_: Does anyone have experience with Heroku and socket.io? Couldn't find my answer on stackoverflow :)
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[21:47] jsvana: jorgen_: A little experience with socket.io, yeah
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[21:49] jorgen_: okey, I want to create a chat application using socket.io, that part is quite straightforward... I want to use Heroku to host the application. My key question is: how does scaling work? I suppose each Heroku dyno can only process a limited number of channels
[21:50] sirwan: anyone know if centOS is worth installing over ubuntu for Nginx and NodeJS ?
[21:50] sirwan: I'm really looking for an OS that uses the most optimal amount of memory
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[21:52] Dmitrijus: sirwan: they both run the same kernel
[21:52] TheJH: idefine, "sudo npm link"
[21:52] jorgen_: I want each heroku dyno to serve a limited number of chat channels; dyno 1 all channels starting with 'a', dyno 2 all channels starting with 'b' etc...
[21:52] sirwan: Dmitrijus: I heart that ubuntu uses considerably more memory
[21:53] idefine: TheJH: I don't have root, I figured it out,  I changed the prefix config in my npmrc
[21:53] sirwan: heard*
[21:53] idefine: TheJH: thanks though
[21:54] Dmitrijus: sirwan: nah, while it is possible (due to -Os and shit like that), it is unlikely, just use the distro you like the most
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[21:55] Dmitrijus: sirwan: and there are like dozens of various parameters in the kernel for tweaking, if you really want performance :)
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[21:57] sirwan: what kind of things are attributed to 'preference' in choosing a distro ?
[21:57] sirwan: Dmitrijus: 
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[21:58] sirwan: what os are you running ?
[21:58] Dmitrijus: sirwan: mostly it's not-having-a-headache-while-maitaining
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[21:58] Aria: Is there a way to send file descriptors over unix domain sockets at all now in node 0.6?
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[21:59] jsvana: jorgen_nl: unfortunately, I don't have any experience with heroku...
[21:59] jorgen_nl: bummer :)
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[22:02] jorgen_nl: jsvana: but you do have socket.io experience... I can use the .of method for creating chat channels dynamically?
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[22:05] jorgen_nl: bnoordhuis: Since you're Dutch as well: do you know of any node.js meetup in The Netherlands? I've had contact with Lieke from Cloud9, and they are willing to host an event in their Amsterdam office and provide some beer :)
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[22:07] zzak: Good evening and happy holidays!
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[22:08] bnoordhuis: jorgen_nl: i don't know of any node exclusive meetups
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[22:09] bnoordhuis: jorgen_nl: i've been to c9's offices, it's not big but probably big enough to host a hackathon for up to twenty people
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[22:11] jorgen_nl: bnoordhuis: sounds great to me. I'm still a beginner and I find it quite hard to find people in Holland who've spend time using node.js. Would you participate if such an event is organized?
[22:11] bnoordhuis: jorgen_nl: sure, i'll drop by
[22:13] jorgen_nl: bnoordhuis: Yesterday I did a quick search on the GoT forum (after years of inactivity), less then 10 hits for node.js. :/
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[22:15] jorgen_nl: bnoordhuis: do you happen to know if I should interpret Heroku web dyno's as different processes running a node instance. Each request I send to the server can be processed by any of the two web dyno's and I cannot tell which is going to process the request?
[22:15] zzak: bnoordhuis: i've been following #2106, will this be merged with patches like 045bfe0 or would you accept a patch for this?
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[22:18] bnoordhuis: zzak: i think koichi already submitted a patch for that. or am i missing something?
[22:18] bnoordhuis: jorgen_nl: sorry, i don't use heroku
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[22:19] zzak: bnoordhuis: i may be mistaken, but the hash.update patch came before koichi's docs were merged
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[22:19] zzak: it doesn't include the default input_encoding
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[22:20] bnoordhuis: zzak: oh, i see what you mean
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[22:21] bnoordhuis: zzak: https://github.com/koichik/node/commit/882a89e#L2R54 <- it's in the description
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[22:22] zzak: bnoordhuis: doh
[22:22] zzak: my mistake
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[22:26] zzak: bnoordhuis: thanks for clearing that up
[22:26] bnoordhuis: zzak: my pleasure
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[22:30] Puj3: Ahhh, help, the favicon.ico requests are attacking me!
[22:30] Puj3: I'd be grateful if anyone could help me circumvent them so I can see the responses from my other requests..
[22:31] CIA-109: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07v0.6 * r70e6f3f 10/ doc/api/http.markdown : docs: document http.Server.close() semantics - http://git.io/6ZJD9g
[22:31] cmr: Puj3: ... | grep -v "favicon.ico"
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[22:33] Puj3: Ouch.  Thanks cmr..  I wasn't lookin through logs, I was actually viewing in a browser, but I just realized I'm STILL an idiot.
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[22:33] Puj3: Much obliged.
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[23:01] teadict: so... with a simple "forever start app.js".. you're good to go all the way forever and ever?
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[23:01] mmalecki: teadict: yeah :)
[23:02] teadict: meanning for production, right?
[23:02] mmalecki: yeah
[23:02] mmalecki: although if you run node 0.6, use master
[23:02] teadict: should one use it both inside node for your app's servers and at the OS as a double safety?
[23:02] teadict: what master?
[23:02] mmalecki: git master
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[23:03] teadict: as in master branch? or is that a package?
[23:03] mmalecki: master branch
[23:03] mmalecki: we'll release it as we squash all bugs
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[23:04] teadict: why do you mention that?
[23:04] mmalecki: because it doesn't really work on 0.6
[23:04] teadict: oh 
[23:04] mmalecki: I mean, the one that is in npm
[23:05] mmalecki: master works on 0.6
[23:05] teadict: yeah, well, I'm sort of not going out of the master branch, since I don't want any troubles with the client
[23:05] mmalecki: np :). I'll ping you when we release it
[23:05] teadict: thanks for the notice
[23:06] mmalecki: :)
[23:06] saidinesh5: Hi guys... i was trying to install node from git , and noticed that node-waf isnt getting installed... 
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[23:06] saidinesh5: and googling doesn't seem to help much
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[23:07] saidinesh5: so i wonder if there is something i m missing ?
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[23:09] clarkfischer: Ugh… my head is throbbing.
[23:10] clarkfischer: I need to take a Number and write it into a Buffer as if it were a 64 bit integer, by writing two 32bit integers next to one another
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[23:11] clarkfischer: Anyone know much about these kinds of bitwise operations?
[23:11] saidinesh5: clarkfischer: may i know what is the problem you were trying to solve?
[23:12] djazz: why i get SIGABRT?
[23:12] clarkfischer: I'm writing a bit torrent client, and the udp specification requires a bunch of 64bit numbers
[23:12] saidinesh5: Ahh okay...
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[23:16] djazz: theres an error in src/uv-common.c smth on line 58
[23:16] djazz: "Aborted"
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[23:21] maushu: Will node.js run on http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs ? Needs to be compiled to ARMv6 architecture.
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[23:23] TroyMG: is there a channel for NPM discussion?
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[23:24] Aria: Here's as good as any
[23:24] mytrile: Hey, guys. I want to make a request(Dynect API)  through https, but the request needs to include a session which is json credentials. I cannot use req.write() because it requires string or buffer. Any ideas ? 
[23:25] TroyMG: k. I'm having trouble authenticating with npm on a new machine. when I do "npm adduser" and enter my existing credentials, I get: Error: bad_request Invalid rev format: -/user/org.couchdb.user:troygoode/-rev/undefined
[23:25] mytrile: The request is application/json content type
[23:25] TroyMG: (if I enter what I'm pretty sure is the correct password. if I enter any other password I get a specific "Incorrect username or password" error)
[23:26] Aria: Sounds like the user record might be damaged -- might take an admin to straighten out.
[23:26] TroyMG: k
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[23:27] TroyMG: I'll submit a request for reset then
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[23:34] saidinesh5: clarkfischer: just a minute.. will upload some code for you
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[23:39] clarkfischer: thanks, saidinesh5
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[23:42] saidinesh5: actually clarkfischer, you might want to take a look at this http://closure-library.googlecode.com/svn/docs/class_goog_math_Long.html
[23:43] saidinesh5: i dunno why i m reimplementing the same thing
[23:43] saidinesh5: heh
[23:44] clarkfischer: I actually found a slightly less interesting way of doing it
[23:44] saidinesh5: and that would be?
[23:44] clarkfischer: val = [(val & 0xFFFFFFFF00000000) >> 32, val & 0xFFFFFFFF]
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[23:45] saidinesh5: oh, but how would you deal with actual larger values?
[23:45] clarkfischer: I can't, really.
[23:45] clarkfischer: I pretty much just need to account for Numbers
[23:45] clarkfischer: But I need to split it into two 32bit ints (as if it were a 64bit int)
[23:46] saidinesh5: Ahh, i thought you actually were dealing with such large file sizes etc..
[23:46] clarkfischer: Well, ideally, yes
[23:46] clarkfischer: but I'm not even sure how I could compute such a thing
[23:47] saidinesh5: heh .. anyways gLuck with your torrent client :)
[23:47] clarkfischer: At least for the moment, I'm just trying to implement the UDP spec
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[23:48] saidinesh5: Ah..
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[23:50] jocafa: is anyone using BackboneRelational or something similar?
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