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[00:03] guybrush: isaacs: https://github.com/guybrush/nexus npm with a dnode-interface :D though i have to get all the npm-cmds implemented, including run-script
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[00:04] Vespakoen: Hey guys, first baby steps with Node JS over here.
[00:04] Vespakoen: Say I want to be able to do the things you see below, getting a new instance of NI via NI.app() and, load a model for that instance
[00:04] Vespakoen: var NI = require('./NI/core');
[00:04] Vespakoen: var App = NI.app() // new NI object
[00:04] Vespakoen: App.load.model('modelname'); // Load a model
[00:04] Vespakoen: I was thinking of:
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[00:04] Vespakoen: function NI() {
[00:04] Vespakoen:     this.version = '0.0.1';
[00:04] Vespakoen: }
[00:04] Vespakoen: NI.prototype.load = function() {};
[00:04] Vespakoen: NI.load.prototype.model = function() {};
[00:04] Vespakoen: module.exports.app = function() {
[00:04] Vespakoen:     return new NI;
[00:04] Vespakoen: }
[00:04] Vespakoen: This doesn't seem to work though, i guess it is because of the "double" prototypes, how should I do this?
[00:04] Vespakoen: Hey guys, first baby steps with Node JS over here.
[00:04] Vespakoen: Say I want to be able to do the things you see below, getting a new instance of NI via NI.app() and, load a model for that instance
[00:04] willwh: Vespakoen: try a pastebin?
[00:04] Vespakoen: var NI = require('./NI/core');
[00:04] Vespakoen: var App = NI.app() // new NI object
[00:04] Vespakoen: App.load.model('modelname'); // Load a model
[00:04] Vespakoen: I was thinking of:
[00:04] Vespakoen: function NI() {
[00:04] Vespakoen:     this.version = '0.0.1';
[00:05] Vespakoen: }
[00:05] Vespakoen: NI.prototype.load = function() {};
[00:05] Vespakoen: NI.load.prototype.model = function() {};
[00:05] Vespakoen: module.exports.app = function() {
[00:05] mmalecki: don't!
[00:05] Vespakoen:     return new NI;
[00:05] Vespakoen: }
[00:05] Vespakoen: This doesn't seem to work though, i guess it is because of the "double" prototypes, how should I do this?
[00:05] Vespakoen: http://pastie.org/3023596
[00:05] Vespakoen: wooow fuck, that should only be the last link
[00:05] Vespakoen: how did that link get "appended" to my copy, i never had that bedore
[00:05] Vespakoen: the last line is a pastie ='( =P
[00:05] guybrush: i wonder why you didnt get kicked yet :p
[00:05] Vespakoen: I am sorry, this happened by accident, I appended the link to my previous copy somehow
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[00:06] Vespakoen: willwh, did you mean, use pastebin in stead of pastie ? if so, why ?
[00:08] willwh: no, I meant, don't paste 2-+ lines to channel
[00:08] willwh: 20*
[00:08] Vespakoen: hehe ok, yeah i know, im really sorry for that everybody, this wasnt supposed to happen
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[00:11] willwh: :]
[00:11] Vespakoen: i guess i am cursed now, nobody will ever help me after my big FAIL =P
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[00:13] tingham_: use pastebin
[00:13] zmbmartin: Can I render just an html file with express? I tried res.render('admin/index.html'.... and that gave me a Cannot find module 'html'
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[00:14] tingham_: I don't think anyone wants to sort through the messages to figure out the question
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[00:15] Vespakoen: http://pastie.org/3023596
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[00:16] ChrisPartridge: mmalecki: Looks good, watch 0.5.0 appears to work fine too (which removes the sys deprecated msg)
[00:16] Vespakoen: actually, NI.load.prototype.model = function() {}; is probably super-stupid, i guess i need something like function model() { loadModel code in here }  NI.prototype.load = function() { return {'model': model}; }  ? 
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[00:19] seejohnrun: Vespakoen: yes, you'll want a method that returns a Model with whatever you'd like set up
[00:19] seejohnrun: Vespakoen: also you should export NI, not new NI, or else why use the prototype?
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[00:20] Vespakoen: i see, but i dont want , when calling App.load , that i loads the Model function already, i guess with my aprroach it will, do i need an anonymous function to do this?
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[00:22] seejohnrun: Vespakoen: I'd think of it like loadModel, just getting rid of the second prototype, or implement a Loader that gets returned from load - otherwise you won't be accessing the prototype
[00:22] Vespakoen: ahh, i must sound vague, im really sorry for that, what i am trying to say, the .load object will have a lot of prototype functions, i am affraid that if i dont do the "return {model: ?, somethingelse: ?} " part at the ? right, it will load everything before i actually need it
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[00:23] Vespakoen: "implementing a loader" would be NI.prototype.load = function(whatdoyouwant) { whatdoyouwant loader code } ?
[00:24] seejohnrun: Vespakoen: more like load = function() { return new Loader(this); };
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[00:24] Vespakoen: ahh i see
[00:24] seejohnrun: Vespakoen: so just like you were doing, but making it work, since before it wouldn't with the double prototype like you had it
[00:24] Vespakoen: i see, i think that will fix my problem! thanks a lot mate!
[00:24] seejohnrun: Vespakoen: and probably only want to make a new one once, so may as well have it be a property on App when it loads
[00:24] seejohnrun: Vespakoen: yep
[00:24] seejohnrun: Vespakoen: np
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[00:25] Vespakoen: the Loader object you mean? loading it at App-load-time ?
[00:25] seejohnrun: Vespakoen: yeah, or lazy loading it, but only load it once probably
[00:26] Vespakoen: i see, sounds good! ill try to get this working and report back =)
[00:26] seejohnrun: Vespakoen: sounds good
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[00:28] lime_: I keep getting the following error in ubuntu 11.10 when I run `./configure`
[00:28] lime_: `Package openssl was not found in the pkg-config search path. `
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[00:28] lime_: `sudo apt-get install openssl` doesn't fix the issue
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[00:29] seejohnrun: lime_: you need openssl-devel
[00:29] seejohnrun: lime_: not sure of the exact name offhand
[00:29] seejohnrun: maybe lib-openssl
[00:30] mansoor: lime_: libssl-dev didn't work for me i had to use  libcurl4-openssl-dev
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[00:35] lime_: mansoor: Do you have to install anything other then `libcurl4-openssl-dev` in ubuntu, because I'm still getting an error
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[00:37] mansoor: lime_: hmm i think i have both  libssl-dev and libcurl4-openssl-dev installed 
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[00:45] Vespakoen: so, i gave it a go, http://pastie.org/3023859 it says, Object function() { return new Loader(this); } has no method "model"
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[00:49] seejohnrun: Vespakoen: loader().model('test')
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[00:49] seejohnrun: Vespakoen: or if you want what you want, set load to be the instance in the App initializer
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[00:50] seejohnrun: Vespakoen: meaning, if you want it to be like CodeIgniter, then you need to set .load to be = new Loader(this) in the Initializer of NodeIgniter
[00:51] Vespakoen: ahhh isee
[00:52] Vespakoen: well, i guess it will make the codeigniters feel at home =P
[00:52] seejohnrun: Vespakoen: that it will :)
[00:52] Vespakoen: That works mate! thanks a lot@
[00:52] seejohnrun: Vespakoen: are you going to CICONF in london?
[00:52] seejohnrun: Vespakoen: probably not right for the channel, hit up #codeigniter
[00:52] Vespakoen: im going there with NYE, but i wont be there in februari =(
[00:53] Vespakoen: yep true, anyways, love londen, love codeigniter, but probably wont be able to make it there, next year, defenitely!
[00:54] seejohnrun: Vespakoen: alright, i've gotta run - good luck with your project
[00:55] Vespakoen: thanks, will keep you all updated!
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[00:58] quackquack: with Mocha, is there anyway to write a test that *fails* if an event is fired?
[00:58] joshsmith: does documentcloud auto-generate their docs?
[00:58] joshsmith: it looks like they do
[00:59] joshsmith: http://documentcloud.github.com/backbone/docs/todos.html
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[01:00] joshsmith: ah, found it: http://jashkenas.github.com/docco/
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[01:20] Vespakoen: Can anyone point me at a good movie /screencast / website that explains prototype very well ?
[01:21] Sorella: Vespakoen, you mean how prototypes work in JS?
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[01:21] Vespakoen: well, ive got a basic idea of them, but i really want to make sure im doing things correctly
[01:22] Sorella: 
ACTION has a blog post, if you don't mind reading. And I know Axel Raschmayer (or however you spell his name) did a talk for a bunch of Googlers about it.

[01:22] Vespakoen: ill check that out, thanks!
[01:22] Vespakoen: where can i find your blog ?
[01:22] moogoo: so Sorella....do you ever blog about other things
[01:23] Sorella: moogoo, like?
[01:23] Sorella: I'd blog about lolita and victorian fashion, but I spam my google+ account with that already :3
[01:23] moogoo: hm
[01:24] moogoo: lolita and victorian fashions would seem kind of opposed 
[01:24] joshsmith: does anyone know how I can use Jade templates within Backbone?
[01:24] moogoo: im assuming lolita fashion is 15 year old asian school girls
[01:24] moogoo: rite?
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[01:24] joshsmith: the style this screencast is using is _.template with the templates in the DOM inside a script tag
[01:25] Sorella: moogoo, eh, no. Lolita is a fashion style influenced by Victorian fashion, but not as aristocratic. Girls tend to try and look like dolls though.
[01:26] moogoo: are ankles still considered porn
[01:26] moogoo: and table legs
[01:26] joshsmith: am I in #node.js?
[01:26] moogoo: it's possible
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[01:26] joshsmith: it says I am, but I don't believe it
[01:27] Sorella: moogoo, well, that's what lolita fashion fixes, skirts doesn't extend up to the ankles, just a little below the knees :3
[01:27] moogoo: nodejs isnt really that interesting
[01:27] moogoo: we need to fill the down time
[01:27] joshsmith: HERESY
[01:28] moogoo: Sorella: scandalous
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[01:28] Sorella: moogoo, basically, stuff like this: http://www.babyssb.co.jp/reserve/108P303/108P303-bo.jpg
[01:29] Sorella: or this: http://egl.livejournal.com/18004177.html
[01:29] moogoo: does your irc client like send packets into the future
[01:29] moogoo: or your telegraph machine
[01:30] Sorella: iunno
[01:30] sechrist: has there been anything more robust than node-inspector made? 
[01:30] sechrist: although I think my problem with that was the v8-profiler lib more than anything
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[01:31] quackquack: are colon-separated event names just a convention, or do they have actual significance regarding namespacing events?
[01:32] moogoo: I have no sense of fashion whatsoever
[01:32] moogoo: I prefer the woman to wear random shirts and pants or be naked
[01:33] moogoo: and I find I like plad pants
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[01:36] Sorella: 
ACTION sees no appeal in naked women

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[01:41] kenperkins: has anyone seen an error like this, or have any idea what it could be? happened after our update to 0.6.5 from 0.4.11: http://www.clipboard.com/clip/LQvAwocLZUjqL67k8uzW3FovmPAVvxOG9gme
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[01:44] moogoo: it's just too bad naked women see no appeal in programming
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[01:47] mansoor: moogoo: just not when you are around :p
[01:47] moogoo: oh I've tried
[01:48] moogoo: I really thought catb0t would get the woman wet, but no
[01:49] catb0t: thought i was missing a ton of changes behind the PHP endpoint , so I just uploaded a new link but it works and yes, we 're having to do what you 're trying to say node is invading my really
[01:49] moogoo: all that matters is giving netflix enough bandwidth so she can watch random anime while the rest of the DSL connection kicks it
[01:49] joshsmith: catb0t: that was unintelligible
[01:50] catb0t: unintelligible instead of just assigning a function prototype y on that
[01:50] joshsmith: exactly catb0t 
[01:50] catb0t: exactly the most sexy application of the same API that's protected with oauth
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[01:50] moogoo: I'm sure that makes sense to someone
[01:50] moogoo: catb0t: nodejs
[01:50] joshsmith: catb0t actually sounds a lot like #php
[01:50] mansoor: moogoo: you trillin'?
[01:50] catb0t: nodejs doesn't show new 
[01:50] catb0t: actually , there would se hooks are sounds
[01:50] mansoor: :O
[01:51] moogoo: catb0t issacs
[01:51] catb0t: issacs i'd go with one of them, it ready given 
[01:51] moogoo: catb0t: sorella
[01:51] catb0t: sorella , I didn't chuk , sorry 
[01:51] joshsmith: catb0t moogoo 
[01:51] catb0t: moogoo , links to ne have 
[01:51] mansoor: catb0t: cheese
[01:51] catb0t: cheese steak
[01:51] joshsmith: catb0t: I used to be an adventurer like you
[01:51] catb0t: adventurer like you can define a function call is cutting off the response object you pass to an async setup, there's really no way to achieve a synchronous behaviour then
[01:52] joshsmith: then catb0t took an arrow to the knee
[01:52] catb0t: arrow function syntax in then
[01:52] moogoo: catb0t async
[01:52] catb0t: async callback eventually 
[01:52] mansoor: catb0t: is the hybrid from Battlestar Galactica :O
[01:52] catb0t: Battlestar Galactica
[01:52] moogoo: I blame node for catb0t stupidity
[01:52] catb0t: stupidity sometimes
[01:52] moogoo: most of the time catb0t 
[01:52] catb0t: most simple require formats though
[01:52] joshsmith: catb0t stupidity always
[01:52] catb0t: stupidity sometimes
[01:53] joshsmith: want to fight catb0t?
[01:53] catb0t: fight ME
[01:53] moogoo: oh its on catb0t 
[01:53] joshsmith: catb0t: I will
[01:53] catb0t: its good
[01:53] catb0t: will print out errors I
[01:53] joshsmith: catb0t wins this round
[01:53] catb0t: round of TPs is wins
[01:53] moogoo: catb0t segmentation fault
[01:53] catb0t: segmentation fault   search engine's fault
[01:53] mansoor: catb0t: likes cat videos
[01:53] catb0t: videos of nodejsconf or likes
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[02:04] moogoo: well catb0t I guess it's just you and me
[02:05] catb0t: guess that's all I wanted out well
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[02:05] moogoo: catb0t I'm too lazy to upgrade you to version 6
[02:05] catb0t: upgrade every 6 months they release a new npm registery for project dependencies that are not necessarily promises version
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[02:08] Sorella: catb0t, 6 months is just too much.
[02:08] catb0t: months depending on how robust you just
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[02:15] moogoo: catb0t make me dinner
[02:15] catb0t: dinner out there but i get problem make
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[02:23] cwm: is this the place for newbie questions ?
[02:24] Lingerance: Just ask.
[02:25] thepatr1ck: cwm: we don't bite
[02:25] cwm: aight, thanks regular expretions in static routes
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[02:29] cwm: ie /:name/:z/:x/:y.:format -> /:name/:z/:x/Math.pow(2, z) - 1 - y.:format
[02:30] benvie: catb0t what do you think about Siri
[02:30] catb0t: think he had some fixes in master about
[02:30] benvie: Siri is not a he
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[02:31] mprez: hi
[02:31] mprez: is there anyone?
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[02:32] devaholic: catb0t is always there
[02:32] catb0t: always ftw
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[02:33] devaholic: catb0t \o
[02:33] catb0t: o have an ability to launch this code , I'm is the point of being unusable 
[02:34] wslh: hi, I am trying to run my own REPL with my own eval function but I can't understand the documentation clearly 
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[02:34] wslh: if I do: require('repl').start('> ', process.stdin); 
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[02:34] devaholic: catb0t repl
[02:34] catb0t: repl docs are horrible, read the code from github for node under is a function not d in a package that has nothing to repeat
[02:34] wslh: 	TypeError: Object # has no method 'getWindowSize' at new Interface (readline.js:98:26) at Object.createInterface (readline.js:38:10) at new REPLServer (repl.js:114:16) at Object.start (repl.js:251:14) at repl:1:17 at REPLServer.eval (repl.js:80:21) at repl.js:190:20 at REPLServer.eval (repl.js:87:5) at Interface. (repl.js:182:12) at Interface.emit (events.js:67:17)
[02:34] devaholic: catb0t ++
[02:34] catb0t:  
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[02:35] wslh: so, I pass undefined and that's right
[02:35] wslh: but now I am trying to pass my own eval
[02:36] wslh: and the docs... just say  You can use your own eval function if it has following signature: function eval(cmd, callback) { callback(null, result); } 23:29	wslh	but it's not clear what it means. 
[02:37] moogoo: eval is magic
[02:37] moogoo: it runs code in the current scope
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[02:38] moogoo: you wrap it in your own function...it can only run code in the scope of the wrapper function
[02:38] moogoo: in which case you should be using new Function 
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[02:39] wslh: I understand eval, but I can't understand how to pass my own eval to the repl
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[02:39] wslh: do you have a quick example? I think it's not more than five lines.
[02:39] wslh: but the documentation is horrible.
[02:40] moogoo: eh...not sure what you mean
[02:40] moogoo: read-eval-print-loop
[02:41] wslh: I want to do: require('repl').start('> ', process.stdin, eval)
[02:41] wslh: and it doesn't work
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[02:41] wslh: first, the documentation give the example about process.stdin, but if you pass process.stdin an exception occurs
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[02:41] wslh: so I finally pass undefined, and that works
[02:42] wslh: but the issue is that you need to pass an eval function with this signature:
[02:42] wslh: function eval(cmd, callback) {   callback(null, result); }
[02:42] wslh: I can't understand what it means.
[02:43] moogoo: hm...is this something new to .6?
[02:43] CIA-109: node: 03Igor Zinkovsky 07master * r500c8f4 10/ (18 files in 3 dirs): Remove platform files, and use uv platform api - http://git.io/HLDppA
[02:43] moogoo: cuz I've been stalling pretty bad on upgrading
[02:44] wslh: yes, the last one
[02:44] CIA-109: node: 03Igor Zinkovsky 07master * r45822da 10/ deps/v8/build/common.gypi : fix windows build - http://git.io/KDiiag
[02:45] cwm: bassically when people go to /mpo/9/154/322.png send them to whats at /mpo/9/154/189.png
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[02:52] Lingerance: wslh: My guess is: function eval(cmd, callback) { if (callback) { callback(null, (new Function(cmd))()) } else { return (new Function(cmd))() } }
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[02:57] jesusabdullah: This is the eval function in the repl?
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[02:58] jesusabdullah: I don't think it has a sync version
[02:59] wslh: Lingerance, it doesn't work that way.
[02:59] wslh: jesusabdullah: yes.
[03:00] jesusabdullah: wslh: So what's the problem?
[03:00] munichlinux: is there any app that manages sessions with couchdb? I mean relate session with user, encode, decode
[03:00] maxogden: munichlinux: wat
[03:00] wslh: the problem is: I just want to start a repl with my own eval
[03:00] jesusabdullah: Okay
[03:00] jesusabdullah: so do that
[03:00] maxogden: munichlinux: couch has its own cookie based auth api that handles sessions
[03:00] munichlinux: maxogden, what?
[03:00] maxogden: munichlinux: i dont understand your question
[03:01] jesusabdullah: Keep in mind, the "read" part has a bunch of js validation stuff in it, so you can't like, throw a brainfuck interpreter in there and expect it to work
[03:01] wslh: I can tell you what I want to achieve.
[03:02] jesusabdullah: Yeah, do that
[03:03] wslh: at this stage, just use the repl with the same eval function of the original repl.
[03:03] wslh: then, I want to use fibers around that eval
[03:03] wslh: but, this is another topic
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[03:04] wslh: so, if you have a simple example of using my own eval function that will be great
[03:04] jesusabdullah: wslh: https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/lib/repl.js#L76
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[03:04] munichlinux: maxogden, no i wanted nodejs to store sessions in couchdb and when request comes I want relate user from the session. 
[03:04] jesusabdullah: That's the function it uses.
[03:05] wslh: so, it's different from what it say in the documentation?
[03:05] jesusabdullah: https://github.com/jesusabdullah/node-ripple/blob/master/bin/ripple is an example of everything else you can do with it, basically
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[03:05] jesusabdullah: wslh: No, it has the same signature
[03:06] maxogden: munichlinux: ah i see. i dont know an out of the box module for that
[03:06] wslh: ok, I am starting to understand... thanks, I'll try to just copy that first
[03:07] jesusabdullah: munichlinux: It's not particularly tough to treat users like any other resource
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[03:08] jesusabdullah: I mean, you don't need special stuff for that really
[03:08] munichlinux: jesusabdullah, right. I need to write all that code. I was looking for a session manager. Its not a couple of functions 
[03:08] jesusabdullah: ah
[03:08] munichlinux: jesusabdullah, you would 
[03:08] jesusabdullah: yeah, a full session manager
[03:09] munichlinux: its not just storing session id and {"user": "foo", password: "bar"}
[03:09] jesusabdullah: Oh! Check out https://github.com/substack/node-sesame
[03:09] jesusabdullah: idk if that's quite what you're looking for, but it *says* it does session-y things
[03:10] munichlinux: i am saying its not just that 
[03:10] munichlinux: session manager does lot more stuff
[03:10] munichlinux: 
ACTION from django :p

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[03:11] jesusabdullah: Here, show me an example of what you're looking for
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[03:13] munichlinux: ok, these are functionalities what i would expect a session manager to do. when i authenticate a user, create sessions store and related user. Encode user/ decode user data with secret. Have middleware which checks sessions on every request and have user object available on the request object.
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[03:14] Aria: Question about that though: Would you expect to do anything while waiting on the session storage to respond?
[03:14] jesusabdullah: It looks like sesame does all that
[03:15] jesusabdullah: except maybe without a couch backend
[03:15] jesusabdullah: but you could build one pretty easy
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[03:17] munichlinux: jesusabdullah, alright 
[03:17] munichlinux: Aria, of course not. User is not authenticated 
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[03:18] jesusabdullah: You can probably find modules that let you talk to couch easy, and modules that handle cookies for you, but they're probably gonna be separated and you might have to write some wiring
[03:19] munichlinux: ya 
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[03:20] jesusabdullah: Maybe look for a cookies middleware and wire it to something like flatiron/resourceful, or some other backend engine
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[03:20] jesusabdullah: but yeah, I can't think of an all-in-one deal
[03:21] Aria: munichlinux: Ah. I'd be doing all sorts of preemptive fetching in that time.
[03:21] Aria: (Assume it'll work, bail before sending if it fails.)
[03:22] munichlinux: Aria, what do you mean preemptive fetches? 
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[03:22] jesusabdullah: Start doing api calls and prepare the return payload before auth is complete
[03:22] jesusabdullah: and then wait for a "yea" or "nay" on sending it
[03:23] jesusabdullah: (if necessary)
[03:23] jesusabdullah: which sounds like a cool idea
[03:24] joshsmith: heh fun waste of the past hour: http://forrst.com/posts/Happy_and_sad_command_line_customization-J0w
[03:24] Aria: This is why one size fits all APIs often don't fit all. (And why I prefer good building blocks to transparent middleware)
[03:25] jesusabdullah: I think middlewares are a useful abstraction, but a middleware also shouldn't try to do too much, at least not without config and defaults
[03:25] Aria: Indeed.
[03:25] Aria: I like it when it is one of those building blocks.
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[03:28] jlank: for an express app, is there a project convention as far as where to write middleware?
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[03:28] jesusabdullah: jlank: What do you mean?
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[03:29] jesusabdullah: You usually write middlewares as separate modules, then require them
[03:29] jesusabdullah: something like,
[03:29] munichlinux: jlank, ahhh welcome to the jungle 
[03:29] jesusabdullah: var middleware = require("middleware");
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[03:29] jesusabdullah: or,
[03:29] jlank: ok, because I was watching the screen casts and tjholowaychuk was doing most stuff in the app.js or routes/index.js
[03:30] jesusabdullah: var middleware = require("middleware")(opts); // <-- that too
[03:30] jlank: i know it was just an example, but I wrote some stuff and made modules and required them
[03:30] munichlinux: simple i am cribbing about for quite some time. There is conventions not proper way to layouting code base. I follow mine.
[03:30] jesusabdullah: jlank: oh, yeah, tj has this whole directory structure for express. I suppose he may have a convention for where to put internal libraries
[03:30] jesusabdullah: but really, there's no canonical convention for this sort of thing
[03:31] jlank: because there is node_modules when you just express newproj the boilerplate
[03:31] jlank: i'm new at frameworks in general so I want to try to keep things as tidy as possible
[03:31] jesusabdullah: Yeah, that's where npm installed things go
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[03:31] jlank: ya, wouldn't necessarily want to put my own modules in there
[03:31] jesusabdullah: Yeah
[03:31] jlank: unless, they were in npm, which, they aren't
[03:32] munichlinux: jlank, i was about to put a MVC boilerplate on the express js. I will send to the mailing list once i have it on the git hub.
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[03:32] jlank: munichlinux: awesome thanks for the heads up
[03:32] jesusabdullah: What I usually do is have my main entry point in ./lib/thing.js
[03:32] jesusabdullah: and then arrange things into some folders that make sense from there
[03:32] jesusabdullah: A lot of Nodejitsu projects put the rest of the stuff in ./lib/thing/
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[03:33] jesusabdullah: but yeah, not really a convention outside of our projects but we're somewhat consistent about it (and trying to be more so)
[03:33] jlank: sounds like a reasonable place to put things
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[03:33] jesusabdullah: Yeah, just come up with a convention and roll with it I say
[03:34] jlank: ya, I really just want to be consistent, and in the off chance someone else looks at a project I would like for them to at least look in the 'right' place 
[03:34] jesusabdullah: Yeah
[03:34] jlank: i could also just note it in the readme
[03:34] jesusabdullah: Yeah, or keep the project small enough that people can sort it out without too much help
[03:34] jesusabdullah: either way
[03:35] jlank: sound advice, much appreciated
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[03:57] ChrisPartridge: malkomalko: check out http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/zlib.html
[04:01] malkomalko: awesome.. don't know how I overlooked that
[04:01] malkomalko: new in 0.6
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[04:33] wslh: jesusabdullah: Thank you for your help, I am progressing.
[04:33] jesusabdullah: No problem!
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[04:44] wiwillia: teespring.com/nodejs <- gotta reach 30 to make these a reality if anyone's interested
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[04:46] ChrisPartridge: wiwillia: do they ship int. ?
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[04:47] wiwillia: ChrisPatridge unfortunately not yet :(.  In a couple months they will.
[04:48] ChrisPartridge: bummer
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[04:49] wiwillia: Where are you located?
[04:50] wang: what's the npm/node best practice for dealing with a dependency that is only available via git? i guess i'm looking for something equivalent to bundler's: gem 'foo', :git => 'git://github.com/foo/foo.git'
[04:50] ChrisPartridge: wiwillia: AU
[04:51] Aria: Use the git url.
[04:51] wiwillia: ChrisPartridge If you want one I'd be happy to mail it on to you (for free)?
[04:52] ben__: guys I've a cygwin issue trying to install NodeJS on a win7 machine , when I try to run ./configure I'm getting "cygwin not supported" what's the deal here?
[04:52] wang: Aria: instead of the version number, in package.json?
[04:53] wiwillia: ChrisPartridge I actually grew up in NZ
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[04:54] ChrisPartridge: wiwillia: That would be awesome, if it's not too much trouble for you
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[04:54] ChrisPartridge: wiwillia: Cool, what part of NZ?
[04:54] wiwillia: Christchurch
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[04:57] qard: Anyone have any advice on making a video chat web app in node?
[04:57] qard: Not sure what to do for the video streaming stuff.
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[04:58] Sample: Q: How would I keep a http.request open ( aka no request.end() ) so that on later callbacks from other things (like a 'net' connection going on in the background) I can write them to the http ( response.write() )
[04:58] wiwillia: ChrisPartridge just query'd you
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[04:59] qard: Is there some way to send a video stream from flash into node somehow and broadcast that?
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[05:00] qard: Been looking around for a video streaming module but haven't found anything useful yet.
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[05:03] JasonJS: What are people using to profile their 0.6 node apps? None of the modules that I've used in the past seem to install any more
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[05:03] devaholic: i made this because it didnt exist https://github.com/tblobaum/express-subdomains
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[05:05] qard: Nice! That looks handy. :D
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[05:06] wang: qard: if you have a live stream coming from flash is there a reason you dont want to use a streaming server like Wowza?
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[05:11] Sample: re: my question above.. I believe in order to make this kind of very interactive (dont just send the page and stop but interact with the user)
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[05:11] Sample: I'm probably talking what they called "comet" before
[05:11] Sample: and now days better done via websockets
[05:11] Sample: but i dont know much about either and id kind of first like to implement at as bare bones as possible=P
[05:11] kenperkins: does "_emitCloseIfDrained" mean anything to anyone
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[05:12] qard: Never used wowza before.
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[05:12] qard: Not really sure how it works.
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[05:15] qard: Any reason not to build something myself? Other than that it's big and complex?
[05:15] wang: qard: you can feed it a live source and it will optionally transcode it and redeliver it to whoever connects
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[05:17] wang: i can think of plenty of reasons to diy and plenty to use something off the shelf, i guess it depends on your goals
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[05:18] qard: Well, I originally was looking at opentok, but I don't like the 2500 connections limit. Realistically, that's probably plenty. But it seems like an interesting learning experience to try to roll my own system.
[05:18] wang: if its an academic thing... i guess the basic idea is, receive the video from the publisher in a format your viewers will understand.. if flash can output it like that, maybe all you have to do is relay it
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[05:20] qard: From what I understand, Flash has to communicate through Flash Media Server because of some proprietary encoding stuff or something. Then I guess node would collect it from there and stream it back out over rtmp or something. Lots of stuff I'd need to research though.
[05:20] wang: are you broadcasting to html5 clients or flash clients or both?
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[05:20] qard: It's boring to already have all the answers though. ;)
[05:21] qard: The app is supposed to work on mobile and desktop browsers.
[05:22] qard: As far as I know, you'd need flash to support everything. There's the html5 devices API, but I don't know what support for it looks like.
[05:22] qard: Client side, I guess anything that works in both desktop and mobile browsers works.
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[05:23] qard: Not sure if there are any special limitations in mobile.
[05:23] qard: My thought was streaming mp4, so non html5 browsers can fallback to flash.
[05:24] qard: Or possibly multiple formats? Might want to have different quality streams for desktop and mobile.
[05:25] wang: i think you can reach everybody with h264
[05:25] wang: unless old blackberries are a concern
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[05:26] qard: Not really. lol
[05:27] wang: if you have to use flash media server anyway, then this may be of interest http://blogs.adobe.com/ktowes/2011/04/sneak-peak-future-adobe-technology-for-http-streaming-across-multiple-devices.html
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[05:33] wang: qard: https://github.com/mjrusso/livestreaming-js
[05:34] wang: qard: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pantos-http-live-streaming-07
[05:34] wang: mentions of old node versions on that github page, but might be a good reference
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[05:37] qard: livestreaming-js…looks interesting. Maybe I'll see if I can take over where he left off.
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[05:43] qard: Hmm…looks like the name is a bit misleading. It doesn't actually handle "live streaming" from a webcam, it just takes a video file uploaded via POST and uses ffmpeg to convert it to the right format to match the HTTP Live Streaming specification.
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[05:47] qard: I'm thinking I'll probably do a bunch of playing around in C++ land, writing some native modules for stuff like librtmp.
[05:47] tuhoojabotti: hohoho
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[06:30] jesusabdullah: http://imgur.com/qreys
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[06:49] Sample: any way to keep an http connection open so you can keep sending a user data when other callbacks are triggered?
[06:49] Sample: would this be something similar to what is called "long polling" or "comet"
[06:49] Sample: or perhaps dnode
[06:49] Sample: or sockets
[06:49] Phlogistique: Sample: socket.io?
[06:49] Sample: sounds about right
[06:49] Sample: that's to work with websockets right?
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[06:53] jesusabdullah: Any of those things will work
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[06:53] jesusabdullah: socket.io or dnode would be easiest probs
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[06:57] pity: Hello, what is the best alternative for sys.puts  in node 0.6?
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[06:57] Sample: jesusabdullah: in brief do you know what the difference between all those are?
[06:57] Sample: pros cons perhaps
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[07:01] jesusabdullah: long-polling is a technique where send a request and then and keep the connection open waiting for a response
[07:01] jesusabdullah: where you send a request, I mean
[07:02] jesusabdullah: websockets are this new thing that lets you open a new streaming connection for real-time stuffs
[07:02] jesusabdullah: socket.io is an abstraction over websockets and four other transports that let you do this sort of thing
[07:02] jesusabdullah: and dnode is an rpc layer on top of that
[07:03] jesusabdullah: I'd say use socket.io or something similar to get all fallbacks and stuff. Doing that real-time kinda thing by-hand is a pain
[07:03] jesusabdullah: and dnode runs on top of socket.io so...
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[07:03] jesusabdullah: fwiw, nowjs also runs on top of socket.io
[07:03] jesusabdullah: I personally like the dnode api best, but ymmv
[07:05] Sample: gotcha, thanks
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[07:05] Sample: im kind of the "reinvent the wheel" type person when it comes to new stuff
[07:05] Sample: ive been very purposefully avoiding express for now and working directly with node
[07:05] Sample: in the same fashion i avoided jquery until i really had a super solid grasp on javascript
[07:06] Sample: but trying to wedge open my http request and do the long-polling thing would probably just end up in a clunky end-result anyways
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[07:07] jesusabdullah: Yeah
[07:07] jesusabdullah: If that's the case
[07:07] jesusabdullah: I'd say go with socket.io
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[07:07] jetienne_: +1
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[07:08] mansoor: I used to be able to code at 120 words per minute
[07:08] jetienne_: Sample: personnal advice: focus on producing new stuff, not on redoing existing stuff
[07:08] mansoor: but then I took an arrow on the wrist :(
[07:09] jesusabdullah: I try not to have to write that rate of code XD
[07:09] jetienne_: to code at more than 1 word per min and you are the smartest i ever seen
[07:09] Sample: jetienne: it wouldnt be that im trying to write socket.io from the ground up, but rather know the history of where socket.io came from (with long polling, which was what everyone did successfully prior to this newfangled websockets). and i think having that kind of knowledge is beneficial
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[07:10] jetienne_: Sample: true
[07:11] mansoor: For some reason, i am finding it very difficult to write tests for my code
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[07:14] adammw111: is there any examples of C++ node modules that perform actions on the constructor (and when destroyed) ?
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[07:16] jesusabdullah: Sample: You could go to http://socket.io and look up all the transports on wikipedia
[07:17] mansoor: huu  npm is now part of node?   Node v0.6.6 change logs "npm update to 1.1.0-beta-4 (Isaac Z. Schlueter)"
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[07:19] jesusabdullah: It's bundled with node now
[07:19] jesusabdullah: for windows, at least
[07:19] rev087: which was a great decision, imho
[07:19] smathy: +1
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[07:21] adammw111: dw, I think I found what I need in node-zipfile. Sorry.
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[07:38] wereHamster: ah great, a stable release including beta npm..
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[07:57] adammw111: I get "Error: Unable to load shared library" when requiring a module I compiled. Is there any way to get the reason why or some other debugging?
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[08:07] pity: After upgrade of nodejs is it necessary to reinstal npm or not?
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[08:12] tuhoojabotti: Why doesn't nvm find new versions anymore?
[08:13] tuhoojabotti: It doesn't seem to find 0.6.5 or .6
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[08:33] [AD]Turbo: hi there
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[08:43] mansoor: any trekies in here?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9RGZxjORF0  << why is this so funny?!?!?
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[08:43] caioketo: Hi there
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[09:05] adammw111: I'm trying to link my node addon against a shared library, but when I try to use that library's symbols from in node, I get a symbol lookup error. Any ideas?
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[09:06] dr0id: !tell SoulRaven cool connection bro
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[09:07] chjj: anyone having trouble with `process.title` lately?
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[09:29] mYkon: anybody knows how to cache .js .css and images in expressjs?
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[09:29] mYkon: im looking for cache headers
[09:30] devaholic: mYkon, app.use({maxAge: 3600000})
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[09:30] mYkon: ok, ill try :)
[09:31] mYkon: thx
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[09:32] mYkon: google chrome sais
[09:32] mYkon: The following resources are explicitly non-cacheable
[09:32] mYkon: i started expressjs in production ENV
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[09:33] mYkon: every file in /public should get en expiration header...
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[09:33] eeemsi: is raindrop dead? https://mozillalabs.com/raindrop
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[09:46] xeodox: What's the best image library for node.js? Canvas or Imagemagick?
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[10:12] balaa: does node have something similar to twisted's reactor?
[10:12] shinuza: balaa: yes, that's the heart of node
[10:13] balaa: what is the recommended way of running multiple servers? say websockets and http
[10:13] shinuza: side by side?
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[10:13] balaa: yes
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[10:14] shinuza: socket.io and something like express for http
[10:15] shinuza: basically they both hook on the reactor
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[10:18] balaa: how would I create a socket server that could access memory space of a http server?
[10:19] shinuza: wdym by 'memory space'
[10:19] shinuza: the heap?
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[10:51] zheneva: hello
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[10:52] zheneva: Can someone lynch this gist: https://gist.github.com/1482302  what i'm trying to do is to move routings to another file, but it doesn't work. 
[10:53] zheneva: and i can't figure out where problem si
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[10:55] eeemsi: zheneva: are # comments for express?
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[10:56] eeemsi: zheneva: gnah… sry my fault M(
[10:56] zheneva: eeemsi nope, that isn't comments actually, that's just my insertion in gist :) so in code there nothing like that
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[11:30] eeemsi: isaacs: how do i use npm from behind a proxy?
[11:31] eeemsi: it throughs out lots and lots of errors
[11:31] xerox: eeemsi: npm help proxy
[11:32] xerox: and then "/ proxy" :)
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[11:32] xerox: 'n' to see the next results (the first ones are for https)
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[11:32] xerox: (also read at the beginning how you use npm config)
[11:32] eeemsi: errors
[11:33] eeemsi: lots of them
[11:33] xerox: errors.
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[11:37] eeemsi: xerox: also on your side?
[11:38] eeemsi: i thought i just had to add some export proxy things but … mistaken =(
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[11:42] eeemsi: npm --registry http://proxy.example.ohnoes install express also fails
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[11:45] eldios: \o/
[11:45] eldios: met two other guys from joyent this morning!
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[11:46] eldios: pics coming soon =) (they're in a meeting right now)
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[12:35] maikomjames: where I get the host to Node.js?
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[12:37] eldios: maikomjames, what?
[12:37] Lingerance: Your question is malformed.
[12:37] eldios: wherever you want XD
[12:37] eldios: in a VPS
[12:37] eldios: or try nodester, heroku or one of the other free paas 
[12:38] maikomjames: need a host for Node.js, where you encounter?
[12:39] BruNeX: dotcloud is very easy also to use
[12:39] eldios: but it's not open to everyone.. ain't it?
[12:40] BruNeX: dotcloud u have free accounts for 2 services
[12:40] BruNeX: https://www.dotcloud.com/pricing/
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[12:40] eldios: I'm in since the beta
[12:40] eldios: :P
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[12:40] BruNeX: u can have a mongodb service and a nodejs for free for example
[12:40] BruNeX: yeah me 2
[12:40] eldios: in a lots of node/cloud services :P
[12:40] BruNeX: i have about 7 services running for free
[12:41] BruNeX: in dotcloud
[12:41] eldios: ^^
[12:41] Lingerance: nodejitsu?
[12:41] BruNeX: yeah
[12:41] BruNeX: u also have nodejistsu
[12:41] BruNeX: errm nodejitsu*
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[13:12] astropirate: does anyone else chuckle when they heear the word "webmaster"?
[13:13] Lingerance: Nah
[13:13] eldios: NaN
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[13:13] Lingerance: It's just an archaic term that is sometimes still applicable
[13:14] eldios: we should implement an isNah() method
[13:14] mmalecki: I do chuckle a bit
[13:14] eldios: you pass a sentence as arg and it say if it's a "Nah" or not
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[13:14] eldios: isNah("does anyone else chuckle when they heear the word "webmaster"?") // true
[13:15] mmalecki: well, that's a syntax error
[13:15] eldios: gosh
[13:16] eldios: I forgot to escape the "
[13:16] eldios: isNah('does anyone else chuckle when they heear the word "webmaster"?') // true
[13:16] eldios: I was also tinking of making it a method like
[13:18] eldios: var qst = 'does anyone else chuckle when they heear the word "webmaster"?' , nodeJSUser.prototype.isNah = isNah() ; Lingerance.isNah(qst) //true ; mmalecki.isNah(qst) //"a bit" ;
[13:18] mmalecki: lol
[13:19] mmalecki: so, I heard it's Friday
[13:19] eldios: that's when those things come out usually
[13:19] eldios: XD
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[13:21] mmalecki: https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/2038#issuecomment-3175869
[13:22] mmalecki: I think that it's the biggest pull request I've ever seen
[13:22] mmalecki: but I also find it quite awesome and random, in the good sense
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[13:31] astropirate: eldios, haha lets do it
[13:31] astropirate: idk how but lets do it! :D
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[13:37] CIA-109: node: 03Roman Shtylman 07v0.6 * r4b123f9 10/ src/node_crypto.cc : 
[13:37] CIA-109: node: crypto: rewrite HexDecode without snprintf
[13:37] CIA-109: node: No need to use snprintf to create a hex string. It creates
[13:37] CIA-109: node: more overhead than is needed. This new version is much faster. - http://git.io/OLQGWQ
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[14:02] cthulhu_lovecraf: Hi all, anyone knows about any OS Stripe/BrainTree based Shopping Carts implementations for node.js?
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[14:30] davman: Having an interesting experience with a HTTP server. If I keep a connection open intentionally (res.end() on a setTimeout), and then write() data to the connection, it doesn't appear to actually get "sent" or at least rendered by the browser, until a buffer somewhere has exceeded a certain amount. Is there a way to flush the write() buffer or anything similar?
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[14:51] astropirate: davman, you want chunked encoding
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[14:52] CIA-109: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07v0.6 * r6b3075c 10/ (src/unix/core.c src/unix/internal.h src/unix/process.c): 
[14:52] CIA-109: libuv: linux: improve kernel feature detection
[14:52] CIA-109: libuv: Do not check for minimum kernel and glibc versions, just check that the kernel
[14:52] CIA-109: libuv: headers export the syscall number and invoke the syscall directly. Effectively
[14:52] CIA-109: libuv: bypasses glibc. - http://git.io/O5KzzQ
[14:52] CIA-109: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07v0.6 * rd808cf9 10/ src/unix/linux.c : linux: detect if inotify syscalls are supported - http://git.io/Qhhv7A
[14:52] davman: Transfer-Encoding:chunked ?
[14:52] astropirate: yup
[14:52] davman: astropirate, yeah that's set. Looks like it might be a bug in Chrome
[14:53] davman: works fine in Firefox and Safari
[14:53] astropirate: hmm
[14:53] astropirate: must be something else
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[14:54] davman: I wrote a quick test, it just accepts the connection, sets a timeout on res.end for 10 seconds, and then fires res.write with "Hello, n" where n is an increasing var
[14:54] davman: in firefox and safari they start printing to screen straight away, but in chrome it doesnt start printing to screen till after 103
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[14:54] davman: or about 1.86 kb
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[14:57] devaholic: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3360759
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[15:00] davman: astropirate, found another application having a similar issue: https://github.com/Atmosphere/atmosphere/issues/13
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[15:09] davman: Ok so in the effort of writing a workaround... is there any way to get the amount of bytes written to a res so far?
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[15:10] bnoordhuis: davman: res.connection.bytesWritten
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[15:11] davman: bnoordhuis, thanks. Don't know if Node needs to consider this a bug... it's kind of an edge case I guess?
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[15:13] bnoordhuis: davman: probably more a browser issue than a node issue
[15:13] davman: that's what I figured. guh. I hate having to write workarounds for browser issues.
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[15:13] djazz: how can i improve my node.js webserver so that browsers dont download unmodified files?
[15:14] djazz: sending some last modified header?
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[15:14] megalomix: hello
[15:14] joshkehn: Hello
[15:14] megalomix: how could i convert a number into a string?
[15:15] cthulhu_lovecraf: megalomix: Simplest answer to start with: http://www.javascripter.net/faq/converti.htm
[15:16] joshkehn: megalomix: var str = "" + num;
[15:17] megalomix: thanks
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[15:17] djazz: String(num)
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[15:20] megalomix: String
[15:20] megalomix: better
[15:20] joshkehn: djazz: Rather not call a constructor and just have the interpreter do it for us.
[15:20] megalomix: :D
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[15:20] megalomix: (10).toString()
[15:20] djazz: i know, easier to read :)
[15:20] devaholic: spamming again http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3360759
[15:21] joshkehn: http://jsperf.com/converting-strings-to-numbers/4
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[15:21] joshkehn: Whoops. Wrong one.
[15:23] joshkehn: http://jsperf.com/number-tostring
[15:23] joshkehn: That's it.
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[15:23] joshkehn: Letting the interpreter do the conversion is a lot faster, and IMO less clutter.
[15:24] megalomix: ().toString() <--- is better?
[15:25] joshkehn: Better then?
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[15:28] djazz: nvm, i solved it
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[15:35] Iszak: Why was npm 1.1.0-beta-4 included in Node.js 0.6.6? Isn't 0.6.6 meant to be /stable/?
[15:35] CIA-109: node: 03koichik 07v0.6 * rc744e92 10/ doc/api/http.markdown : 
[15:35] CIA-109: node: doc: correct http.Server.listen()
[15:35] CIA-109: node: Fixes #2325. - http://git.io/0CnOhA
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[15:39] icebox: Iszak: npm is a package addon... it is not node
[15:39] Iszak: I know, but we shouldn't be bundling a beta version of it.
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[15:40] icebox: Iszak: the packages are in a transition phase from 0.4.x to 0.6.x
[15:40] Iszak: what packages?
[15:41] apejens: how do people hunt memory leaks in node apps?
[15:41] icebox: Iszak: those packages are not compatible with 0.6
[15:41] Iszak: icebox: well 0.6.6 included a beta version, not sure about the previous versions.
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[15:41] Iszak: In the case that npm isn't compatible with the new Node version then better communication is required since it's a bundled software.
[15:41] megalomix: https://gist.github.com/1486522
[15:41] Iszak: perhaps even bring it under the management of node.js
[15:41] megalomix: i have a problem with cluster
[15:42] megalomix: https://gist.github.com/1486526 <----------------------
[15:42] icebox: Iszak: well... it is nice to have bundled npm in node... in windows I have not installed culr, for instance
[15:42] Iszak: My point was that 0.6.x is a stable release and shouldn't have beta/alpha/release candidate software.
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[15:43] icebox: Iszak: you can use bpm stable version, of course
[15:43] Iszak: icebox: I'm not saying to NOT include it, I'm just saying it should be a stable version, and if a stable version can't be provided on the release of a minor release e.g. 0.8 then the devs should communicate to ensure it works
[15:44] tapas: hmm, how do i find out what kind of properties the socket object has in socket.io?
[15:44] tapas: i seem to be too dense to find the docs
[15:44] Bonuspunkt: afaik only npm 1.1 has official windows support - but its not done yet
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[15:44] icebox: Bonuspunkt: indeed... I thank the devs to include the beta! :)
[15:44] megalomix: TypeError: object is not a function
[15:44] megalomix:     at EventEmitter.CALL_NON_FUNCTION (native)
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[15:45] icebox: Iszak: if your box is not windows, you can easily the stable release of npm
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[15:46] icebox: I mean, easily you can install...
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[15:46] megalomix: what is this?
[15:46] megalomix: how to solve this problem?
[15:46] megalomix: i just copied the example of cluster module :/
[15:47] Bonuspunkt: if i remember this right "npm update -g" downgrades to 1.0.6
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[15:48] icebox: Bonuspunkt: I think so
[15:48] Iszak: icebox: it's not the point!
[15:49] eldios: yay
[15:49] eldios: that's me with @ryancnelson --> http://lele.amicofigo.com/IMGS/me_and_ryancnelson.jpg
[15:49] megalomix: someone read me? :)
[15:50] eldios: I can read your last sentence megalomix 
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[15:50] megalomix: eldios, https://gist.github.com/1486522
[15:50] megalomix: eldios, https://gist.github.com/1486526 <------- error
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[15:52] jyp: have you guys ever felt that you need co-routine when you're using node.js? I solved the problem with node-fibers but still I think node.js should have APIs for co-routine inside.
[15:52] megalomix: hmmmm
[15:52] megalomix: found the problem!
[15:52] megalomix: https://github.com/LearnBoost/cluster/issues/168 <---------
[15:52] eldios: megalomix query
[15:52] megalomix: conflict with cluster module
[15:52] megalomix: eldios, ?
[15:52] slaskis: megalomix: i believe you'll be using the native cluster in 0.6
[15:52] slaskis: they're always prioritized
[15:52] eldios: megalomix, read my private msg
[15:53] megalomix: slajax, yes exactly
[15:53] megalomix: :(
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[15:54] jyp: is there any scheduled plan for co-routine?
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[15:59] jyp: so many nodejs starters are suffering from rampant IoCs, and I think co-routine is good alternative choice for them.
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[16:01] jyp: For them, CPS is not always a good choice. how do you guys think?
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[16:13] Glenjamin: jyp: there's a problem of library fragmentation
[16:13] Glenjamin: which is already happening a bit with coffeescript
[16:14] jyp: Glenjamin: i don't know much about coffeescript. can you explain more?
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[16:24] Glenjamin: jyp: it's another way of writing javascript
[16:25] Glenjamin: the more different way you have to do the same thing, the less people can easily re-use each others modules
[16:25] Glenjamin: which is a bad thing
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[16:27] Industrial: GOOGLE GETS ALL THE HOT DEVELOPERS http://www.youtube.com/user/GoogleTechTalks#p/u/7/bU5lb32EY8s
[16:28] Industrial: I am not amused.
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[16:30] trose: Industrial, no way, developers can't be attractive. It takes a lifetime of social ostracizing to push a person to want to program all day.
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[16:30] trose: Industrial, google must be hiring and training models to give knowledgeable presentations :D
[16:30] jyp: Glenjamin: okay... umm well, then which part of coffeescript makes a problem? my opinion is that, nodejs starters are always having trouble to control their program flow, and CPS makes them think it is inefficient. any relation to coffeescript??
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[16:34] jyp: I found that nodejs starters have very bad experience about it, and as nodejs lover, i'm wondering if nodejs dev team has a plan.
[16:36] trose: question: I have a system that allows users to upload text files and my server will run them through an evaluation script that is spawned using child_process. I am throttling this so that with a lot of users there are not a ton of processes queued up on the CPU. I'm trying to figure out a way to react to one of the child_processes exiting so that i can check my queue and start up a new child_process. Can anyone tell me what the stack struc
[16:36] trose: ture of callbacks looks like? obviously in child_process.on('exit') i can call the parent function again but i'm worried about the potential for closures to create a stackoverflow
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[16:38] trose: my concern with just calling the function again within child_process.on('exit') is that i'd essentially create an infinitely recursing stack if there were enough users to keep my process queue full
[16:39] davman: bnoordhuis, you still around?
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[16:42] Glenjamin: jyp: my point is that CPS creates 2 ways to do something, in the same way that CS creates 2 ways
[16:43] Glenjamin: i guess it depends on the goals of the core team, i hope its to make a powerful framework on top of v8 for writing reactor-pattern code
[16:43] Glenjamin: easy-to-learn doesn't need to be a core node principle for take-up imo
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[16:49] wibby: Hi, how do you guys handle crashes of your node webapp? Do you have a second server app in front of it that routes requests to the "real" app and if that fails shows an error page? How about scheduled maintenance or when you just want to restart the app?
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[16:51] jyp: Glenjamin: ok. that makes sense. thank you :).
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[16:55] bnoordhuis: davman: yes
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[16:55] wibby: So, nginx is what I'm looking for, right?
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[16:56] tjfontaine: hello, is it me you're looking for?
[16:56] davman: bnoordhuis, not to worry, I solved it, but res.connection.bytesWritten seemed to persist across requests. I ended up using my own byte counter initialised in that particular url handler.
[16:58] CIA-109: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07v0.6 * r666aa0a 10/ (22 files in 4 dirs): uv: upgrade to d808cf9 - http://git.io/Z8PLOw
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[17:01] jergason: hello friends
[17:01] devaholic: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3360759
[17:01] devaholic: hello
[17:01] jergason: is there a curl port for node?
[17:01] mmalecki: jergason: welcome to the internet. how can we help you?
[17:01] devaholic: child_process.exec ?
[17:01] devaholic: or you can use request
[17:01] jergason: devaholic: yeah, I know about running outside processes
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[17:01] devaholic: request will replace curl
[17:02] jergason: it seems to be missing some options
[17:02] jergason: is there a --max-time equivalent
[17:02] jergason: to curl?
[17:02] jergason: well
[17:02] mmalecki: jergason: is it a timeout?
[17:02] jergason: missing is the wrong word
[17:02] jergason: different features is a better way to describe it
[17:02] rev087: devaholic: I thought it was about tracking pixels in a video
[17:02] jergason: mmalecki: it is not a connection timeout
[17:03] jergason: the man says "maximum time in seconds that you allow the whole operation to take"
[17:03] devaholic: its just a little thing you could use to make your own analytics
[17:03] rev087: oh like a tracking bug/image?
[17:03] mmalecki: jergason: well, easy to implement it yourself
[17:03] devaholic: tracking image yeah
[17:04] devaholic: but it does the server side part and lets you pass in any data with post or get
[17:04] devaholic: pretty simple
[17:04] rev087: nice
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[17:05] rev087: bookmarked
[17:05] jergason: mmalecki: how could I go about that? loop outside the callback until a certain time has passed?
[17:05] devaholic: fork it
[17:05] megalomix: excuse me guys, what is the difference incolling a calback doing: cb() or cb.call()
[17:05] megalomix: ?=
[17:05] mmalecki: jergason: setTimeout(function () { request.abort(); }, 1000);, for example
[17:05] jergason: ah
[17:05] jergason: didn't know about request.abort
[17:05] mmalecki: not sure about the api for aborting requests
[17:06] devaholic: cb.call in that case would assue that `this` is undefined in cb
[17:06] jergason: ok, will look in to it
[17:06] devaholic: assure rather
[17:06] mmalecki: yeah, not sure if it works like that, but I'm sure there's something like that
[17:06] jergason: mmalecki: you are a smart man.
[17:06] jergason: request.abort() it is
[17:07] mmalecki: haha
[17:07] megalomix: ?
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[17:07] devaholic: cb() -> this is going to be based on normal rules cb.call() -> this will be undefined
[17:08] jergason: megalomix: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Function/call
[17:08] devaholic: `this`
[17:08] jergason: call is a method on theFunction prototype
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[17:08] megalomix: ok
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[17:08] node_aldente: Can someone take a look at how I'm trying to parse a json file and give some pointers, the code is here: http://pastebin.com/PRHCi8HD  the json file is defined first then the way I'm trying to implement it.
[17:09] tjfontaine: json wants double quotes, not singles
[17:10] node_aldente: I'll give anyone who helps 0.01 bitcoins wink wink.
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[17:10] node_aldente: ahhhh, so simple. thanks tjfontaine, let me know if you want the fraction of a fraction of the bitcoin :)
[17:10] tjfontaine: quote both sides
[17:11] tjfontaine: { "foo":"bar" } see http://www.json.org/fatfree.html for more examples
[17:11] node_aldente: thanks tjfontaine  :)
[17:11] node_aldente: I knew it was going to be simple for someone here to see :)
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[17:12] node_aldente: I was getting too use to the js object notation.
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[17:16] kkaefer: what's a good place to go for gyp advice?
[17:16] kkaefer: the mailing list?
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[17:27] christoffe: New websites: First http://nodejs.org and now http://nodester.com 
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[17:28] kenperkins: does _emitCloseIfDrained mean anything?
[17:28] kenperkins: (ring a bell anyone?)
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[17:44] Phlogistique: Hey there! The new Node.js site is very nice, but the new homepage does lack a mention of "open source" and/or "free software"
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[17:45] smathy: 
ACTION gets his tent!

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[17:52] bradleymeck: is there a way to set the npm and node executable install prefixes separately in 0.6?
[17:55] isaacs: bradleymeck: sure.
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[17:55] isaacs: bradleymeck: oh, you mean, in the installer?
[17:55] bradleymeck: yes
[17:55] isaacs: or with make install?
[17:55] bradleymeck: both actually
[17:56] isaacs: um.. no.  but you can ./configure --without-npm, and then make installnode, and then install npm manually
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[17:57] lulzilla: How do I prevent the route app.get('/:type/:id', from hijacking the request to http://localhost:3000/stylesheets/style.css ?
[17:57] bradleymeck: isaacs, that works, thanks
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[17:57] bradleymeck: lulzilla call next()?
[17:57] lulzilla: after doing a condition check?
[17:57] bradleymeck: yep
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[17:58] bradleymeck: the next callback argument is provided to let things fall through
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[17:58] lulzilla: hmmm, no setting/config way?
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[17:59] spasquali: https servers add 2 or 3 ms to response time vs http servers. Is there any optimization possible?
[18:00] lietu: maybe redesign the SSL libraries to use MMX/SSE or similar and compile manually with heavy optimizations? ;)
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[18:01] bradleymeck: spasquali, due to encryption i doubt it, right now you could use a hardware layer that has ssl accel that forwards raw http to your app, but thats probably the best you can do, and do not add a layer just for that, extra routes hit hard
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[18:03] spasquali: thanks lietu, bradleymeck... perhaps as node continues its road to dominance greater minds than mine will focus on this issue :)
[18:03] endsub: can anyone give me an idea how to pass an asynchrons file read to the object that is setting the event?  Is it even possible?  Here is the load I'm using http://pastebin.com/cZk7J5Wq
[18:03] endsub: I really don't want to use fileReadSync
[18:03] endsub: just because it's uncool :)
[18:04] lietu: endsub: I think you mean "var me = this;" before the .readFile() and "me.setData(...);" in the function
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[18:04] lietu: me/that are both quite common names in that case
[18:04] bradleymeck: i like $this, just keep adding $s for how many scopes deep it is
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[18:05] lietu: I only add the $ if it's wrapped in something that you normally don't expect, e.g. $element if it's a jquery element etc.
[18:05] xerox: also you can .bind(this) the callbacks
[18:05] lietu: also, endsub, you could probably just pass this.setData.bind(this)
[18:05] bradleymeck: then again i use roman numerals for number of nested loops...
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[18:06] lietu: you mean like for (var i; ...) { for( var ii; ... )  ?
[18:06] bradleymeck: lietu, yea haha
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[18:06] lietu: actually, that sounds like a great idea
[18:07] lietu: I hate all that i, x, y, z, k, j, ... etc. randomness
[18:07] lietu: hard to explain it the logic in it to the junior coders
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[18:07] lietu: -it
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[18:08] endsub: thanks lietu, I'll give your suggestions a try, and read up on what the .bind does.
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[18:08] tuhoojabotti: What was that nodejs moustache face detection thingy?
[18:09] tuhoojabotti: that added moustache to pics
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[18:12] megalomix: async should be a problem
[18:12] lzskiss: for who?:D
[18:12] endsub: lietu: works wonderfully, would using me=this be considered the best practice for this type of thing?
[18:12] megalomix: lzskiss, excuse me wrong chat
[18:12] megalomix: :D
[18:12] megalomix: ahahahahh
[18:13] megalomix: https://gist.github.com/1487175
[18:13] megalomix: my code seems a little redundant
[18:13] lietu: endsub: I dunno about that, I think the .bind(this) would be considered much better practice, if you just plan on passing the same parameters to it
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[18:13] megalomix: any advice? how to optimize it ?
[18:13] megalomix: i repeat two times: 					page['frmContact'].err = err
[18:13] megalomix: 					res.render('contacts', {'page': page})
[18:14] endsub: I'll have to give it a try, I'm using Joose to make my objects, It automagically makes the getters and setters, but it's easy enough to tes.
[18:14] endsub: test that is.
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[18:14] lietu: megalomix: showError(err) ?
[18:14] lietu: megalomix: ... of course assuming you first create such a function
[18:15] megalomix: lietu, the problem is the redirect....
[18:15] megalomix: because i can use ONE time res.render
[18:15] megalomix: but if the res.redirect will be executed i don't know how to write it
[18:15] megalomix: model. <---- are async functions
[18:15] lietu: I'm not quite following
[18:16] megalomix: lietu, i mean that i can put res.render at the end of init() 
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[18:16] megalomix: i add err in the object and then i render all
[18:16] megalomix: the problem is the redirect....because if i put the res.render at the end
[18:16] megalomix: and if the redirect will be executed
[18:16] megalomix: i will have
[18:16] megalomix: res.redirect() and then res.render()
[18:17] megalomix: it has no sense
[18:17] megalomix: i need to render OR redirect
[18:17] lzskiss: megalomix, where is your code?
[18:17] megalomix: https://gist.github.com/1487175
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[18:17] megalomix: as you can see i always do: res.render('contacts', {'page': page})
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[18:18] megalomix: page object  has all the info of the page
[18:18] megalomix: so i can put res.render at the end....but how to manage res.redirect?
[18:18] megalomix: i can do return res.rediret() because it will return the inner function
[18:19] megalomix: *i can't
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[18:20] lietu: var showPage = true; ... else { res.redirect(...); showPage = false } ... put the if( showPage ) { res.render(...); } in a function that you call at the end of the model.frmContact() - callback, and at the else {} at the end ?
[18:20] lietu: or something
[18:20] megalomix: lietu, i can't do it
[18:20] megalomix: because it is async
[18:20] megalomix: maybe if(showPage) {}
[18:21] megalomix: should be executed before the res.redirect
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[18:21] lietu: as I said, put it at the end of the callback, inside it, so it's called after the async operation is done, AND at the else it goes to if the async call is not done
[18:21] lietu: just a moment
[18:21] lzskiss: lietu, +1
[18:21] megalomix: lietu, could you change the code? i didn't understand
[18:21] megalomix: lietu, thanks
[18:21] lietu: yeah, doing it now
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[18:22] JakubRacek: Hello, please somebody know why I get this error with GET ADDRINFO ENOENT if I want to create request ? http://hastebin.com/EPimKb3kQv.sm 
[18:22] tbranyen: I'm logging out a string that is "00 LOGIN" if i do an indexOf("00 LOGIN") on it i get 1 instead 0.  its being toString() from a buffer, any idea what could be hidden in there?
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[18:24] lietu: actually, didn't notice you have two nested model.xxx() -calls, so you need 3x render() -calls to make that work, but let me think a bit
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[18:25] megalomix: lietu, right
[18:25] megalomix: ok
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[18:29] lietu: I don't think it's much improved, but maybe a bit simpler to follow ... http://pastebin.com/npnPbtcD
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[18:29] lietu: am tired, had a few drinks, my brain is working on slow motion ;)
[18:30] megalomix: :D
[18:30] megalomix: i see
[18:30] megalomix: thank you
[18:31] lietu: maybe someone else would want to give that another round of improvement
[18:32] megalomix: lietu, seems fine
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[18:32] tbranyen: urgh i'm making a tcp connection and trying to get data back and no luck, btu i'm seeing packet data in pcap
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[18:32] tbranyen: any idea what could be causing this?
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[18:33] tbranyen: http://pastie.org/3027617
[18:33] tbranyen: the code i'm using ^^
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[18:33] tbranyen: i can see the packet go out, and i see new packet data coming in, but that data event is never hit
[18:33] tbranyen: no idea why
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[18:34] lietu: so, wait ... your node is a client, sending data, you see in pcap data coming back in, but you can't read it in node?
[18:34] tbranyen: the event never triggers yea
[18:34] edsu: is there a trick for installing npm if you are building node from source? getting an error node --version reports: v0.7.0-pre
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[18:34] tbranyen: lietu: that is pretty much spot on yeah, i figured i must be doing something dumb or something
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[18:35] lietu: I had a similar issue also .. it was some misunderstanding on what I had to put the .on("data") event listening
[18:35] tbranyen: yeah i moved it around and no go
[18:35] tbranyen: might just do it in lua, if i can't figure this out
[18:35] tbranyen: cause like come on... this is pretty basic here
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[18:35] tbranyen: :(
[18:36] lietu: yeah, I know, there are a few things that are a bit too difficult to get around, the documentation isn't great, but we're talking of v0.6.x, so no surprise really
[18:36] lietu: lemme check if I can find where I had that thing
[18:39] KiNgMaR: has by any chance anybody seen this http://dpaste.de/fRhhr/ (short version: "skipping incompatible libgmp.so when searching for -lgmp") when building node? os = gentoo hardened x86_64
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[18:41] lietu: well, all I can think of is the theoretical possibility that your .connect and .write() occur faster than you place the data listener
[18:42] lietu: which is not very likely
[18:42] tbranyen: i'm binding the data event first now
[18:42] lietu: couldn't find anything that would explain the difference in my code, and found http://www.hacksparrow.com/tcp-socket-programming-in-node-js.html <- that seems to do the same thing as you
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[18:45] lietu: I can boot my dev box and test it and see what I get
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[18:46] tanepiper: anyone around using jsdom?  I've got a weird bug :/  wondering if anyone has experience the same - when i create an env and make a request to a certain url it works find the first time, but subsequent times i make a request I get a 500.  I'm assuming something is getting cached somewhere in the require
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[18:49] KiNgMaR: tbranyen: fwiw, I did a "nc -l -p 1234" and had your script connect and it printed 'lol' just fine when I sent back some data
[18:49] KiNgMaR: node 0.6.4
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[18:51] lietu: same
[18:51] lietu: v0.6.5
[18:51] lietu: works fine
[18:52] tbranyen: KiNgMaR: okay cool, must be some other issue
[18:52] tbranyen: i will keep investigating
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[18:56] tbranyen: lol i was sending ascii
[18:56] tbranyen: instead of utf7
[18:56] tbranyen: er 8
[18:56] tuhoojabotti: wtf8
[18:56] tbranyen: it was never actually working or something
[18:56] tbranyen: so yeah... ^_^
[18:56] tbranyen: sexytime happening now
[18:56] tuhoojabotti: woah
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[19:08] acuster: hey all, I'm looking at the code of QueryString.unescapeBuffer which seems incorrect; the bug reports on github talk about using decodeURIComponent. Where can i find the code for that?
[19:09] TooTallNate: isaacs: ping
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[19:12] megalomix: lietu, ....
[19:13] lietu: megalomix
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[19:13] megalomix: lietu, do you think is better to reorganize the code? two nested functions are wrong ?
[19:13] megalomix: maybe i should do them sync ?
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[19:13] lietu: well it all depends on who you ask, I find nothing wrong with it, some might ... I don't think moving it around makes it any more clear
[19:13] jerrysv: `3rdEden: pounce!
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[19:13] lietu: and no, you shouldn't do them sync
[19:13] `3rdEden: oi
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[19:14] lietu: async is what makes node so great
[19:14] jerrysv: `3rdEden: ha.
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[19:14] jerrysv: `3rdEden: i can't make your tests fail :/
[19:14] lietu: megalomix: if you can think of a way to make the code clearer by moving the second nested function outside it, then sure, go ahead, if you can't, there's no need to
[19:14] `3rdEden: jerrysv well thats good right ;)
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[19:15] megalomix: lietu, if i put it outside i always have to put many process()
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[19:15] trose: ahhhhh idk if i just suck at node.js or what but i am in asynchronous hell
[19:15] CIA-109: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r6b3075c 10/ (src/unix/core.c src/unix/internal.h src/unix/process.c): 
[19:15] CIA-109: libuv: linux: improve kernel feature detection
[19:15] CIA-109: libuv: Do not check for minimum kernel and glibc versions, just check that the kernel
[19:15] CIA-109: libuv: headers export the syscall number and invoke the syscall directly. Effectively
[19:15] CIA-109: libuv: bypasses glibc. - http://git.io/O5KzzQ
[19:15] CIA-109: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * rd808cf9 10/ src/unix/linux.c : linux: detect if inotify syscalls are supported - http://git.io/Qhhv7A
[19:15] CIA-109: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * rf9edaca 10/ (src/unix/linux.c src/win/pipe.c src/win/tcp.c): 
[19:15] CIA-109: libuv: Merge branch 'v0.6'
[19:15] CIA-109: libuv: Conflicts:
[19:15] CIA-109: libuv:  src/unix/linux.c - http://git.io/vmg9Ng
[19:15] jerrysv: `3rdEden: not really. i can change the count.should.equal() to whatever, but those timeouts are never being called
[19:15] tbranyen: this stuff is so baller
[19:16] jerrysv: and the ms count on the tests are way too low
[19:16] tbranyen: really wish console.log showed null bytes
[19:16] lietu: megalomix: what you could try and figure out is a more unified way to handle the err, so you don't need to have an if(err) { ... } else { ... } all the time ... maybe pass the err() to process() and check it there?
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[19:16] megalomix: lietu, is thosuld be a solution
[19:16] megalomix: let me thing i will post something
[19:17] lietu: megalomix: my brain was going on slow earlier, now it's half asleep 
[19:17] lietu: megalomix: but feel free to ask the channel in general
[19:17] bnoordhuis: tbranyen: console.log('%j', s)?
[19:17] `3rdEden: jerrysv well that sucks indeed
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[19:18] jerrysv: `3rdEden: yeah. yeah it does. i have good functioning code, but don't feel confident about the tests. thoughts?
[19:18] `3rdEden: downloading repo to my laptop atm
[19:18] megalomix: k
[19:18] `3rdEden: will check it out in a sec jerrysv
[19:19] jerrysv: `3rdEden: awesome. hoping it's just some weird artifact, or a version of mocha that got installed for me
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[19:19] fairwinds: isaacs: hi ya. Am interested in including publisher of package besides author in package.json. Any problem with that?
[19:20] fairwinds: I don't see publisher as part of commonJS spec
[19:20] `3rdEden: jerrysv which test is it exactly?
[19:20] `3rdEden: that is giving you issues
[19:21] jerrysv: `3rdEden: i can make subscribe to every given event pass, no matter the number in the setTimeout callback
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[19:22] jerrysv: `3rdEden: https://gist.github.com/1487512 - note that the tests finish in 6ms, which is a little low given the multiple setTimeout()'s
[19:22] CIA-109: node: 03Igor Zinkovsky 07v0.6 * rd6bae2c 10/ (doc/api/fs.markdown lib/fs.js): document mode argument for fs.symlink - http://git.io/HWT_iQ
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[19:25] Aikar: jerrysv: run it with time
[19:25] Aikar: i think that counts actual code execution time
[19:25] `3rdEden: jerrysv: ah
[19:25] `3rdEden: jerrysv:  there should be a couple of next's here and there
[19:26] `3rdEden: i'll update the test suite in few minutes or so
[19:26] isaacs: fairwinds: i don't get it.
[19:26] isaacs: fairwinds: you want to add another maintainer?
[19:26] maxogden: isaacs: one example is that mikeal is lazy and i have published modules to npm that he has tehnically authored
[19:27] isaacs: maxogden: k, that's fine
[19:27] jerrysv: `3rdEden: awesome
[19:27] mikeal: haha
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[19:27] mikeal: that's true
[19:27] maxogden: :D
[19:27] jerrysv: `3rdEden: was going to even offer to rewrite them with vows :)
[19:27] isaacs: npm owner add mikeal mikeal-was-too-lazy-to-publish-this-but-might-wanna-take-over-later
[19:27] mikeal: haha
[19:27] mikeal: actually
[19:27] maxogden: whats the last argument?
[19:27] mikeal: i'm admin on that couch
[19:28] mikeal: so i can push to any module
[19:28] isaacs: maxogden: the name of the module
[19:28] mikeal: even if i don't own it :P
[19:28] maxogden: isaacs: oh gotcha
[19:28] isaacs: also, that^
[19:28] isaacs: :)
[19:28] mikeal: which i figured out accidentally
[19:28] isaacs: fairwinds: see above%
[19:28] mikeal: sorry logging module ;)
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[19:28] fairwinds: isaacs: another is person that wrote it might be author where publisher might be org they work for that owns copyright
[19:28] isaacs: fairwinds: sure.
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[19:29] isaacs: you can add as many publishers as you want, and they're all admins of that doc
[19:29] mikeal: someone was asking for groups
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[19:29] mikeal: which is a problem like 20 people out of a few thousand have
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[19:30] megalomix: guys i have a problem
[19:30] megalomix: pool.register(model.sendContact(this.data))     <-----
[19:30] megalomix: pool is a module that i'm developing
[19:30] megalomix: model.sendContact is a simple function with ONE param
[19:31] megalomix: my problem is that i need to pass as param a variable of POOL
[19:31] megalomix: with this.data i would get "data" variable  of pool model
[19:31] megalomix: i know it is wrong....how to do it correctly?
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[19:33] mikeal: i think i pushed a module to the registry called pool already
[19:33] mikeal: but it's horribly out of date and now unnecessary 
[19:33] lietu: pool.register( function(data) { model.sendContact(data) } ) ... pool.register = function(callback) { callback(variable); }
[19:33] `3rdEden: jerrysv no need for that ;D
[19:33] mikeal: so if you want the name you can have it
[19:34] lietu: or something along those lines
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[19:36] pkrumins: just published http://www.catonmat.net/blog/nodejs-modules-cradle/
[19:36] pkrumins: Node.js modules you should know about: cradle
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[19:36] tanepiper: Humma Kavula! I can't get child_process fork to work :(
[19:37] megalomix: ok
[19:39] mmalecki: einaros: ping?
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[19:39] `3rdEden: jerrysv update
[19:40] einaros: mmalecki: hi
[19:40] megalomix: lietu, maybe is it wrong to register that function and then call them ?
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[19:40] jerrysv: `3rdEden: updated, will see what i can make pass/fail now, thanks!
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[19:40] `3rdEden: jerrysvhttps://github.com/observing/eventreactor/commit/c1d8be6e238d1cb8a75aa666f340ea8ac8c6eca4
[19:40] `3rdEden: oh okay
[19:40] mmalecki: einaros: hey :). so, can we put self.req = address here https://github.com/einaros/ws/blob/master/lib/WebSocket.js#L45 ?
[19:41] jerrysv: `3rdEden: gotta fix my merge conflicts from my stash pop real quick :)
[19:41] `3rdEden: k
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[19:41] mmalecki: einaros: or something to get access to req from https://github.com/einaros/ws/blob/master/lib/WebSocketServer.js#L47
[19:41] einaros: mmalecki: absolutely
[19:42] jerrysv: `3rdEden: much better, thanks!
[19:42] mmalecki: einaros: <3 <3 <3
[19:42] `3rdEden: thanks for pointing it out jerrysv
[19:42] mmalecki: einaros: should I pull request?
[19:42] jerrysv: `3rdEden: i had a deliberately broken test, and was using your pattern, figured you'd want to know
[19:42] einaros: mmalecki: aye, if you have it handy
[19:43] mmalecki: einaros: ok, give me few minutes :)
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[19:45] neilk_: Trying to build libxmljs on MacOS X. For some reason there are more library directories included when I build manually, and when npm does it there is only one library directory, seemingly causing it to not find important libraries. 
[19:45] neilk_: Any suggestions? I'm a node newbie, is there a way to config additional library directories for npm?
[19:47] jerrysv: `3rdEden: do you have a coding convention for thisp?
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[19:47] `3rdEden: jerrysv i'm using self
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[19:47] `3rdEden: there is no window to worry about anyways
[19:48] jerrysv: ok, i'll use self
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[19:49] jerrysv: i need to add a couple more tests, now that all of them are passing correctly, but the idle works great
[19:49] `3rdEden: awesome
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[20:12] K\: Hey, I'm having trouble when installing on centOS
[20:13] K\: Http://pastebin.com/6f3UWGdN
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[20:13] tekky: hrm... trying to talk to Trac via jsonrpc and it would seem jsonrpc2 package doesnt talk to it properly... are there any better recommended packages?
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[20:15] K\: Anyone know why that would be happening?
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[20:15] KiNgMaR: K\: python --version
[20:16] bnoordhuis: K\: your python is too old
[20:16] bnoordhuis: oh, KiNgMaR beat me to it
[20:16] KiNgMaR: :)
[20:16] gboysko: Install problem: on Windows 7 with Python 3.2.2. While running "vcbuild.bat release" I get "Error running GYP"
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[20:16] bnoordhuis: gboysko: your python on the other hand is too new
[20:17] bnoordhuis: python is great like that, isn't it?
[20:17] bnoordhuis: you need python 2.6 or 2.7
[20:17] gboysko: Great--thanks!
[20:17] K\: Ty bnoordhuis
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[20:17] tekky: its amazing how long its taking python 3 to be accepted heh
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[20:18] bnoordhuis: i think the world is going to be stuck with python 2.x for a long, long time to come
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[20:19] tekky: yea, the python team didnt do themselves any justice with that release :/ never understood their reasoning behind that
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[20:20] neilk_: node/npm newbiw -- I'm a bit confused about where npm has installed the node packages, or where they should be installed. My ~/.npm is just a scratch directory for building modules, right?
[20:21] woeye: this whole p3k story is actually the reason why I am playing around with node.js as of late :)
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[20:24] K\: KiNgMaR, python is version 2.4.3
[20:25] KiNgMaR: ok, like bnoordhuis said... ;)
[20:25] KiNgMaR: 2.6 or 2.7 is required
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[20:25] K\: Yum update won't update =[
[20:25] KiNgMaR: centos?
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[20:26] K\: Yes
[20:26] KiNgMaR: I think EPEL has a newer version
[20:26] K\: How do I get to that mirror
[20:27] KiNgMaR: not sure, but google will help :)
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[20:50] megalomix: hello guys
[20:50] megalomix: can i get the parameters of a function without write function(one, two, three, ecc ecc)
[20:50] megalomix: i would pass N parameters
[20:50] megalomix: and on that function i would get all the parameters i passed
[20:51] megalomix: how can i do?
[20:51] mmalecki: arguments
[20:51] mmalecki: .. 1
[20:51] catb0t:  1
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[20:51] megalomix: aah ok
[20:51] mmalecki: .. var a =function () { print(arguments); }; a(1,2,3,4)
[20:51] catb0t:  { [object Arguments] 0: 1, 1: 2, 2: 3, 3: 4 }
[20:51] mmalecki: megalomix: ^
[20:52] mmalecki: .. var a =function () { print(arguments); }; a('a','b',3,4)
[20:52] catb0t:  { [object Arguments] 0: "a", 1: "b", 2: 3, 3: 4 }
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[20:52] megalomix: perfect!!!
[20:52] megalomix: thank you
[20:52] megalomix: i can i loop it with a for
[20:52] megalomix: i need to put those var
[20:52] megalomix: as a vars of a module
[20:53] megalomix: like this.a = 1 this.b = 2
[20:53] mmalecki: yeah, you can loop over it
[20:53] megalomix: y
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[21:00] megalomix: hmmm guys how to loop into an object ?
[21:00] megalomix: {'a': 1, 'b': 2}
[21:00] megalomix: i have to get, the keys and the values
[21:01] AndreasMadsen: I which to know what there is keeping the process alive, how do I do that?
[21:01] AAA_awright: megalomix: Object.getKeys() or for(var name in object)
[21:01] megalomix: AAA_awright, i have to get KEYS and VALUES
[21:02] megalomix: for(var name in object) <--- good?
[21:02] AAA_awright: That iterates over all the keys in the Object
[21:02] CIA-109: node: 03Andreas Madsen 07v0.6 * ra599aeb 10/ (lib/child_process.js lib/cluster.js): 
[21:02] CIA-109: node: jslint
[21:02] CIA-109: node: Fixes #2306 - http://git.io/hOq9Rg
[21:02] AAA_awright: Or, if you're iterating multiple times, it might be faster to use:
[21:03] AAA_awright: var k=Object.getKeys(object); for(var i=0; i<k.length; i++) var value=object[k[i]];
[21:04] AAA_awright: For however many for loops you need, generating the list of keys is a rather slow operation compared to the standard for loop
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[21:04] megalomix: but do i must create keys ?
[21:04] AAA_awright: do... I... must... what?
[21:05] megalomix: there is not something like: foreach($array AS  $key=>$value)
[21:05] megalomix: (like php? )
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[21:05] Creap: isaacs: Whenever I install a package with npm, I get an EPERM error for each dependency, once. If I run the command again the dependency is installed correctly, but if there are more dependencies they give the same error, so I need to run npm install x for each dependency to get it working
[21:05] Creap: same with npm install -d
[21:05] Creap: should I file an issue?
[21:05] isaacs: Creap: what os, node version, npm version?
[21:05] AAA_awright: megalomix: That would be for(var key in object)
[21:05] megalomix: i try
[21:06] CoverSlide: megalomix: you'd do `for(var key in array){var value = array[key];....}`
[21:06] Creap: Linux, node 0.4.12 and 0.6.x, npm 1.0.105
[21:06] Creap: I need Node 0.4.12 so I didn't want to upgrade npm in case it would only work with 0.6
[21:06] isaacs: right
[21:06] isaacs: Creap: what kind of filesystem?  is the linux box living in virtualbox on windows?
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[21:06] Creap: no, native ubuntu install
[21:06] isaacs: or some other weirdo mounted thingie?
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[21:07] isaacs: ok
[21:07] isaacs: please do post an issue, and gist the npm-debug.log file.
[21:07] CoverSlide: chown -R ??
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[21:07] Creap: ok
[21:07] isaacs: if it was about ownership, it'd be an EACCES, not an EPERM
[21:07] CoverSlide: oic
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[21:09] Phlogistique: mr
[21:09] Phlogistique: oops
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[21:11] Phlogistique: megalomix: in coffeescript you can also do "for val,key in arguments"
[21:11] megalomix: ok thanks
[21:12] Phlogistique: (coffeescript is a javascript with a slightly nicer syntax)
[21:12] maxogden: s/slightly nicer/different
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[21:13] K\: Hey, I have node running on a centos server that also has cpanel on it
[21:14] Phlogistique: maxogden: well, the intent is to build a nicer syntax at least
[21:14] K\: How can I point a subdomain to node.js
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[21:14] Phlogistique: K\: do you have several IP addresses?
[21:14] K\: Npo
[21:14] K\: None open
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[21:15] CoverSlide: that depends on what you have for dns
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[21:16] Phlogistique: CoverSlide: if you have only one IP address, you'll have to either use different ports for Node and cPanel or use some reverse proxying
[21:16] K\: Phlogistique, i have node on 3000
[21:17] K\: Howevever, to access it, I need to go to the servers ip
[21:17] CoverSlide: that is assuming your dns will resolve the subdomain back to you though
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[21:17] Phlogistique: K\: do you know how to configure your DNS?
[21:17] K\: Sure
[21:17] Phlogistique: OK; you got the subdomain pointing to your server?
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[21:17] K\: Right
[21:18] Phlogistique: did you set up node to listen on a specific IP?
[21:18] K\: Nope
[21:18] K\: Just the external ip of the server
[21:18] K\: I'd assume
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[21:18] Creap: isaacs: https://github.com/isaacs/npm/issues/1895
[21:18] Phlogistique: you don't even need to specify an IP; you can do ...}).listen(3000);
[21:19] Phlogistique: does it change anything?
[21:19] K\: I used express
[21:19] K\: No ip is specified
[21:19] Phlogistique: ok
[21:20] K\: App.listen(3000);
[21:20] Phlogistique: are you sure your DNS is configured correctly then? I don't see how it is possible for this to work for your IP address but not your correctly configured domain name
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[21:21] K\: It should be
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[21:22] K\: It works on domains, but I'd like it to only work on a subdomain
[21:22] K\: I realize now why that wouldn't work
[21:22] K\: As subdomains are controlled by apache
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[21:32] xajler: Hi, in what stage are kyuri and prenup, I tried to run it whit latest node and modified kyuri package.json but without help?
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[21:32] CoverSlide: stage? i think they're dead
[21:33] CoverSlide: kyuri is just a clone of a ruby testing framework
[21:33] xajler: yes cucumber and gherkin
[21:33] xajler: too bad
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[21:35] CoverSlide: yeah they were made back when everyone was "Let's clone everything into node.js" instead of making things specifically for node
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[21:36] caioketo: hi there, i just installed ubuntu on a VM, how can I install node and npm?
[21:37] CoverSlide: caioketo: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Installation
[21:38] caioketo: but that is not like good explanation
[21:38] xajler: http://www.giantflyingsaucer.com/blog/?p=2775
[21:38] caioketo: it says just "u need python and libssl-dev"
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[21:38] CoverSlide: you don't see the big fat "Unix" header there?
[21:39] caioketo: xajler: I tried that, but after i install node (v7) it says npm cant be install with this version
[21:39] caioketo: =/
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[21:40] caioketo: tar -zxf node-v0.6.5.tar.gz
[21:40] caioketo: cd node-v0.6.5
[21:40] caioketo: ./configure
[21:40] caioketo: make
[21:40] caioketo: sudo make install
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[21:40] caioketo: that needs to get the tar, and it just install node and not npm
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[21:41] xajler: wget https://github.com/joyent/node/zipball/v0.6.6
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[21:42] xajler: the master branch is 0.7 probably and that's why its failing
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[21:42] CIA-109: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07isolates2 * rc6ca02f 10/ (src/node.cc src/node_isolate.cc src/node_isolate.h): Add link-list of all isolates - http://git.io/nMuLBg
[21:42] CIA-109: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r01e4fe5 10/ (11 files in 4 dirs): upgrade libuv to cb70db1 - http://git.io/28zZJw
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[21:43] caioketo: im trying that
[21:43] CoverSlide: or you can git checkout v0.6.6
[21:43] CoverSlide: whichever floats your boar
[21:43] CoverSlide: *boat
[21:44] benvie: hah
[21:44] benvie: -0 is different from 0
[21:44] benvie: that's funny
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[21:47] xajler: or caioketo you can use the ubunt package https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Installing-Node.js-via-package-manager
[21:47] CIA-109: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r67e12a0 10/ Makefile : Remove UVTEST from makefile - http://git.io/4kEySA
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[21:48] DavidIAm: wow, quite a list of peoples.  I'm rather frustrated trying to replicate the main http://isaacs.iriscouch.com/registry/ couchdb to any instance on iris or local.  It presents an error regarding invalid json, and fails.  I can replicate my other test dbs around though, so I'm pretty sure I'm couchdb operational.  Any thoughts?
[21:48] caioketo: how can I checkout v0.6.6?
[21:48] caioketo: in ubuntu
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[21:49] DavidIAm: you're asking how to use git, caioketo?
[21:49] caioketo: in ubuntu, i really dunno
[21:49] CoverSlide: well to git checkout v0.6.6
[21:49] caioketo: git clone https://github.com/joyent/node.git
[21:49] caioketo: i know that
[21:49] CoverSlide: what you need to type is
[21:49] CoverSlide: `git checkout v0.6.6`
[21:49] isaacs: caioketo: git clone git://github.com/joyent/node.git; cd node; git checkout v0.6.6
[21:50] isaacs: caioketo: might have to do:  git fetch git://github.com/joyent/node.git --all
[21:50] isaacs: to get the tags
[21:50] DavidIAm: I love how wonderfully trivial git is.
[21:50] isaacs: caioketo: making that a named remote is a lot easier :)
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[21:50] triptec: trivial?
[21:50] DavidIAm: to use!
[21:50] triptec: I wouldn't say trivial but it's nice
[21:50] DavidIAm: simple things that build in layers for complex behaviors.
[21:51] DavidIAm: anyway, I don't suppose you have any thoughts on the registry couchdb
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[21:51] triptec: moi?
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[21:54] isaacs: you know what would be awesome?  something that could detect `set -x` in the parent shell, and print out every javascript expression to stderr as it's run
[21:55] CoverSlide: isaacs: i'm not getting what purpose that would serve
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[21:56] isaacs: CoverSlide: have you ever used `set -x` in a bash script to debug?
[21:56] CoverSlide: hmm no
[21:56] isaacs: CoverSlide: it's incredibly powerful
[21:56] CoverSlide: but i will now
[21:56] isaacs: i usually have this in all my bash scripts:
[21:56] isaacs: if [ "$DEBUG" != "" ]; then
[21:56] isaacs:   set -x
[21:56] isaacs: fi
[21:57] isaacs: the npm install script switches into that mode based on the npm_debug=1 env
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[21:58] TooTallNate: isaacs: did you see question on twitter?
[21:58] isaacs: oh, re: preinstall?
[21:58] isaacs: no, no way to disable
[21:59] isaacs: but you can --force to ignore failure
[21:59] TooTallNate: hmmm
[21:59] TooTallNate: i need some clever workaround
[21:59] TooTallNate: haah
[22:00] TooTallNate: a node script
[22:00] TooTallNate: that checks process.platform
[22:00] TooTallNate: and when it's not win32, then invoke the `node-waf` stuff
[22:00] TooTallNate: that would work
[22:00] TooTallNate: can't believe i didn't think of that before :)
[22:00] TooTallNate: 
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[22:02] CIA-109: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r1865b11 10/ (235 files in 45 dirs): 
[22:02] CIA-109: node: Merge remote branch 'origin/v0.6'
[22:02] CIA-109: node: Conflicts:
[22:02] CIA-109: node:  wscript - http://git.io/whKt5g
[22:02] DavidIAm: hm.
[22:03] DavidIAm: It doesn't look like one needs a voice on this channle.
[22:03] DavidIAm: I'm rather frustrated trying to replicate the main http://isaacs.iriscouch.com/registry/ couchdb to any instance on iris or local.  It presents an error regarding invalid json, and fails.  I can replicate my other test dbs around though, so I'm pretty sure I'm couchdb operational.  Any thoughts?
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[22:06] isaacs: DavidIAm: that has been seen before.  i usually work around it by just trying over and over again
[22:06] DavidIAm: hrm.
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[22:06] DavidIAm: I just found the bug report was reading it.
[22:06] isaacs: or you can use mikeal's replicate node module to make it work without relying on the couch replication client thing that doens't handle hangups very well
[22:06] DavidIAm: https://github.com/isaacs/npmjs.org/issues/19
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[22:07] DavidIAm: I'll try mikeals
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[22:09] DavidIAm: its dependencies seem to be missing follow and formidable.
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[22:11] CIA-109: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r64de69c 10/ (16 files in 10 dirs): Upgrade GYP to r1107 - http://git.io/s3el_A
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[22:17] DavidIAm: interesting.  Mikael doesn't seem to have published his updated package.  his github has the deps in the package.json
[22:17] Brandon_R: Hey guys
[22:17] Brandon_R: i love how node.js is progressing
[22:17] isaacs: mikeal: hey
[22:17] isaacs: mikeal: fix that ^
[22:17] Brandon_R: Would you say node.js is having an "eventful" week lol
[22:17] mikeal: what idd i do
[22:17] K\: How can I run node without taking up an ssh session
[22:17] Brandon_R: are you guys reading my input?
[22:17] DavidIAm: you didn't republish replicate after updating your package.json
[22:18] DavidIAm: it doesn't have the deps in it on the package I got through npm
[22:18] Brandon_R: how do i run node without taking up a ssh session?
[22:18] mikeal: 	which package
[22:18] isaacs: mikeal: replicate
[22:18] mikeal: oh yeah, that probably needs a new version
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[22:19] Brandon_R: hey isaccs
[22:19] Brandon_R: is this hp webos thing pissing you off bro?
[22:19] mikeal: ok, published
[22:21] DavidIAm: does replicate have like, any feedback for problems?
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[22:21] DavidIAm: I'm getting the ole blinking cursor treatment.
[22:22] DavidIAm: Brandon - you have a limited resource of ssh connections?
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[22:31] CarlosC: howdy, I wanted to see how much support there is in node to --enable-dtrace on OS X?  Looking at http://dtrace.org/blogs/rm/2011/03/01/dtrace-probes-for-node-v0-4-x/ , states that you can get the probes to fire but the translator does not work.
[22:31] maxogden: DavidIAm: there is no stdout for the replicate module. you can look at your couch to see if its working
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[22:32] ryah: CarlosC: yeah the dtrace probes don't work in OSX due to a bug there
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[22:33] ryah: CarlosC: you need to use smartos
[22:33] ryah: or any illumos distribution
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[22:35] tuhoojabotti: hello
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[22:38] maxogden: tuhoojabotti: you have a sweet username
[22:39] tuhoojabotti: maxogden: How come?
[22:39] maxogden: tuhoojabotti: it sounds cool when i say it in my head
[22:39] tuhoojabotti: In which language?
[22:39] ryanolds_w: To hoe your booty
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[22:40] maxogden: west coast american english
[22:40] maxogden: sicky sicky gnar gnar shred rad
[22:40] maxogden: etc
[22:40] tuhoojabotti: Okay, it's pretty lame in finnish
[22:40] chjj: i like pronouncing my name better
[22:40] ryanolds_w: Where are you hearing that? I live on the west coast.....
[22:41] mbthomas: Anyone have any experience putting binary (varbinary / blob) data into mysql using the node-mysql library?
[22:41] chrismatthieu: maxogden: how are you?
[22:41] chrismatthieu: it's been a while
[22:41] mbthomas: Having some trouble with my initial attempts and wonder if it's a know issue..
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[22:42] maxogden: chrismatthieu: howdy! im good. ran into diggz at a bar last week
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[22:43] CarlosC: ryah: Thanks...I wanted to see if I had to run smartos in a VM for when I'm developing on my laptop
[22:44] Brandon_R: hey guys
[22:44] chrismatthieu: maxogden: no good will come of that
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[22:44] Brandon_R: anything cool being programmed?
[22:44] chrismatthieu: what's your new startup url?
[22:44] chjj: i dont program anything cool
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[22:45] Brandon_R: links to startup
[22:45] pahko: !j codenga
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[23:00] CIA-109: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * re61de70 10/ configure : gyp: use built-in openssl by default - http://git.io/QNOGJQ
[23:02] ryah: ^-- with that gyp is actually useable
[23:02] ryah: usable even
[23:04] nail_: Is there some known memory leak issue with the built in UDP server? (0.6.6) I thought that was something in my code but I cut that down to the example given in the doc for dgram.bind (with an empty "message" handler) and start hammering my server
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[23:04] nail_: and rss keeps increasing
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[23:05] ryah: nail_: not a known issue
[23:05] ryah: nail_: can you gist the code?
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[23:10] nail_: ryah: yup, that can't be more basic :) https://gist.github.com/028df12d1cf37e4b34b0
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[23:13] nail_: After about 100.000 of my GELF messages, memory usage sticks to { rss: 267808768, heapTotal: 4016576, heapUsed: 2018656 }
[23:14] nail_: and won't go down anymore
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[23:14] TimTimTim: anyone know how i can add more digest algorithms to node's crypto?
[23:14] ryah: nail_: how are you generating messages?
[23:14] ryah: nail_: (i just want to test)
[23:15] nail_: ryah: using gelf-php, do you want some sample code?
[23:15] TimTimTim: "sudo openssl list-message-digest-commands" is only listing 6 algos :(
[23:16] ryah: nail_: is it possible to write a message sender in node which demos the behavior?
[23:16] nail_: ryah: ok, hold =)
[23:16] ryah: thanks
[23:18] Raynos: Using node debug is there any way to break on exceptions?
[23:19] ryah: Raynos: it should break automatically
[23:20] Raynos: debug just says "exception throw, program terminated"
[23:20] tellnes: hello
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[23:20] tellnes: Is it possible to see if a folder is writable without trying to write to a file in it?
[23:20] ryah: Raynos: hm - oh yeah
[23:20] ryah: Raynos: yeah we should fix that
[23:21] PHPTroll: anyone using cassandra-node? the hell is this: TypeError: Cannot call method 'execute_cql_query' of null
[23:21] ryah: tellnes: fs.stat
[23:21] Raynos: is there any way I can break on that exception
[23:21] Raynos: or do I have to tough it out
[23:21] ryah: Raynos: yeah, i don't think so at the moment
[23:21] Raynos: Ok thank you
[23:21] tellnes: ryah: thanks
[23:22] ryah: Raynos: im adding an issue on github for you to follow
[23:22] Raynos: Ah ok
[23:23] mongrelion: is this the right place to make a javascript question?
[23:23] bingomanatee: yes but that was not a javascript question, so it was in appropriate :D
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[23:24] ryah: nail_: i have to go - can you create an issue at http://github.com/joyent/node/issues/new with the code for the server and client
[23:25] ryah: nail_: we'll definitely look into it
[23:26] nail_: ryah: https://gist.github.com/404ff888f9715f790f5e
[23:26] nail_: oh, ok
[23:26] nail_: will do, thanks :)
[23:27] nail_: wrong gist anyway, that's the right one: https://gist.github.com/8ddf949549aa9acdfaac
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[23:37] Raynos: how do I start a program with NODE_DEBUG flag set properly (in windows) ?
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[23:42] polotek: neilk_: you still here?
[23:43] neilk_: polotek: hey, yeah
[23:43] neilk_: I'm the same guy who posted on your forum
[23:43] polotek: you were talking about libxmljs
[23:43] polotek: ah
[23:43] polotek: cool
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[23:43] polotek: so you got my last message?
[23:43] polotek: I just fixed the build in master
[23:43] bradleymeck: raynos you have to set it to your entire user to my knowledge
[23:43] polotek: it will go out on npm soon
[23:43] Raynos: Oh
[23:44] polotek: neilk_: can I ask where your node is installed? It's not /usr/local ?
[23:44] neilk_: polotek: yeah, I was going to reply thanks
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[23:45] neilk_: polotek: /usr/local/bin/node, modules seem to be in /usr/local/bin/node_modules. 
[23:45] Raynos: setting NODE_DEBUG to 1 didn't do anything for me.
[23:45] neilk_: whoops.
[23:45] Raynos: oh I see, i'm an idiot :)
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[23:47] neilk_: polotek: /usr/local/bin/node, modules seem to be in /usr/local/bin/node_modules. 
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[23:47] polotek: right okay
[23:47] neilk_: polotek: also, shtylman's hack didn't install it in the right place -- just dumped it in '.'
[23:47] polotek: neilk_: where does it put it?
[23:47] neilk_: right in the local dir
[23:47] neilk_: for me
[23:48] neilk_: pwd I mean
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[23:48] polotek: mmmm, okay
[23:48] polotek: so the next build on npm will hopefully fix build issues
[23:48] neilk_: There's a message 'checking for node path' which says 'not found'
[23:48] polotek: and some segfault bugs
[23:49] neilk_: cool
[23:49] polotek: but otherwise will work exactly the smae
[23:49] polotek: same
[23:49] polotek: but then we'll probably be doing some refactoring of the lib
[23:49] neilk_: polotek, believe it or not, this is being used to develop a new backend for wikipedia :)
[23:49] mongrelion: bingomanatee: hahaha ;)
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[23:49] neilk_: polotek: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Future/Parser_development
[23:50] neilk_: polotek: so, thanks for your efforts
[23:50] polotek: So the lib is pretty good
[23:50] polotek: most of the complaints I get are about building
[23:51] polotek: it's hard to build something that works well in everyone's environment
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[23:51] neilk_: polotek: yeah, npm seems to be unhelpful when it comes to ext libraries.
[23:52] polotek: neilk_: well npm doesn't do much with your lib actually. it just downloads and installs stuff
[23:52] polotek: well obviously a little more complicated than that
[23:52] polotek: but it doesn't try to do a lot to your code
[23:52] polotek:  you just tell it to run some scripts for you
[23:52] polotek: if those scripts fail, there's no much npm can do
[23:54] polotek: neilk_: any additional features you would be interested in?
[23:54] neilk_: polotek: I'm just trying to get the parser that this other guy wrote to work. But I'll be in touch 
[23:55] polotek: cool
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