[00:01] aroman: Aria: so this is what I ought to be using? http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.6.5/api/http.html#http.Agent
[00:01] Aria: Yeah.
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[00:08] eeemsi: could someone take a look at that problem?
[00:10] Aria: What problem?
[00:10] Aria: Oh, your regular expression? That's POSIX basic syntax.
[00:11] Aria: Javascript's regexes are POSIX extended syntax, more or less.
[00:11] Aria: so \( should be (, \) should be ), \? should be ?.
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[00:16] eeemsi: Aria: still the same error
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[00:20] Aria: What is the actual error?
[00:20] eeemsi: if (message.find(/^([^:/?#]\+:)?(//[^/?#]*)?[^?#]*(?[^#]*)?(#.*)?/)) { ^
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[00:21] eeemsi: oh… wait a sec i'll putt in nopaste
[00:21] eeemsi: http://pastebin.com/dXvXq95q
[00:22] eeemsi: its the next sign  --> ^ 
[00:22] Aria: Oh.
[00:22] Aria: You're delimiting with /
[00:22] Aria: So the second / is the end of the regex.
[00:22] Aria: You need to change / to \/
[00:22] Aria: Or use the string form -- new Regexp('regex here')
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[00:25] eeemsi: SyntaxError: Invalid regular expression: /^([^:\/?#]\+:)?(\/\/[^\/?#]*)?[^?#]*(?[^#]*)?(#.*)?/: Invalid group
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[00:25] Aria: Getting there.
[00:25] JmZ: nice regex
[00:25] Aria: (? starts a group, but what are you trying to match with that part?
[00:25] aroman: is there a pretty printer for node?
[00:26] WarheadsSE: eBay = powned...
[00:26] eeemsi: in all i want to check whether there is an url or not ;)
[00:27] JmZ: erm
[00:27] eeemsi: and according to the rfc that is a regex for that usecase
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[00:27] JmZ: well, iirc it is the regex to validate a url, not detect/parse URLs
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[00:28] JmZ: something along those lines anyway, i remember having a lengthy discussion about it with the guys on ##php
[00:28] djMax: how does one view the output of DTRACE lines inside node?
[00:28] eeemsi: for those who are interested here's the rfc http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986#appendix-B
[00:29] JmZ: ah i got it the wrong way around
[00:29] JmZ: for parsing not validating
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[00:29] Aria: Oh, I see. Put the \ before the ?
[00:29] Aria: (? starts a group, you do actually want a literal ?
[00:29] Aria: So \?
[00:29] JmZ: since it's a pretty generic pattern, it doesn't check if the URL is valid
[00:30] JmZ: what do you mean (? starts a group? (? means absolutely nothing, just a subpattern starting with a ?
[00:30] JmZ: though it should be escaped
[00:30] Aria: No, that's the thing -- (? isn't valid.
[00:30] Aria: (\? starts a subpattern starting with ?
[00:30] JmZ: which is what i just said, it means nothing
[00:30] Aria: But (? expects : after it to start a group.
[00:30] Aria: Meaning nothing is different than being an error ;-)
[00:31] JmZ: you don't have to tell me, i do know regex very well 
[00:31] JmZ: it actually expects a : or =
[00:31] JmZ: fyi
[00:31] JmZ: or even a !
[00:32] eeemsi: hm… it says everything in the message is an url … =(
[00:32] eeemsi: but the message looks like sdfssdfergf4eggddfgtrh5zhj5tjhzgjtzj6n
[00:32] JmZ: escape the ?, eeemsi
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[00:32] JmZ: just like they do in the RFC
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[00:33] JmZ: also, again, the regex on the RFC is to parse a URL, not to detect or validate URLs. You'd use that pattern on something you already know to be a URL
[00:34] JmZ: it isn't meant to be used to match URLs in a larger string
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[00:38] eeemsi: now it cant recognize http://something.ohnoes --> /^([^:\/\?#]\+:)\?(\/\/[^\/\?#]*)\?[^\?#]*(\?[^#]*)\?(#.*)\?/
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[00:39] eeemsi: i should get some sleep xD
[00:39] JmZ: ugh regex in js is terribly ugly because of the / delimeters
[00:39] JmZ: eeemsi: what are you trying to do?
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[00:40] Aria: \+ should be + there.
[00:40] eeemsi: JmZ: if the string contains a url then i want to do s.th. with that thing
[00:40] JmZ: yeah just noticed that aria
[00:41] Aria: Note to self: make a parse-basic and emit-extended regex page.
[00:42] eeemsi: hm… still not working… =(
[00:43] JmZ: overcomplicating things ftw
[00:43] eeemsi: its awesome to get help from you - thumbs up!
[00:43] JmZ: don't use such complicated regex if you're just checking if a string contains URL(s)
[00:43] pilgo: I'm having trouble uncompressing the node 0.6.5 on os x. I get this message: tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors.
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[00:44] pilgo: Is this known?
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[00:44] JmZ: eeemsi: also, like I SAID, for the 3rd time, that regex is made to *parse URLs*, not validate or detect/find them
[00:44] JmZ: it will match all sorts of malformed crap because it isn't meant to be used as you're using it
[00:45] eeemsi: oh… ok
[00:45] eeemsi: so what would you recommend?
[00:45] JmZ: a better pattern
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[00:46] JmZ: heres the one from the RFC: "^(([^:/?#]+):)?(//([^/?#]*))?([^?#]*)(\?([^#]*))?(#(.*))?", this will match things such as "abcdef"
[00:46] JmZ: it'll match anything in fact
[00:47] JmZ: because everything is optional except ([^?#]*), and that'll match any number of characters which aren't a ? or #
[00:47] JmZ: which is why it is meant for *parsing* URLs, not finding/matching them
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[00:51] eeemsi: do you have a regex that does look whether a string contains an url?
[00:51] Aria: What kind of URLs do you care about?
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[00:52] Aria: http? https? mailto:? irc? ws?
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[00:53] eeemsi: only https http
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[00:54] eeemsi: or is that spdy thing from google is getting its own something?
[00:54] Aria: how about /\b(https|http):\/\/\\w+/ ?
[00:54] eeemsi: yes
[00:55] Aria: Er.
[00:55] Aria: how about /\b(https|http):\/\/\w+/ ?
[00:55] Aria: One too many \ in there.
[00:55] Aria: It's sloppy, but it probably does what you want.
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[00:56] Aria: :// is a pretty rare ocurrance in human text, and preceded by http or https is even rarer. It shouldn't yield too many false positives.
[00:56] Aria: It won't EXTRACT a URL, but it'll tell you if there are some.
[00:57] JmZ: no need for a subpattern
[00:57] eeemsi: Aria: i could tell you my masterplan ;)
[00:57] JmZ: you know, /\bhttps?:\/\/\w+/
[00:57] eeemsi: i want to get the title of that page and print it
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[00:58] Aria: JmZ: Of course. But I prefer the explicit clarity of "Oh, look! It matches both"
[00:58] eeemsi: something like http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAyNjU … [title] [Phoronix] Building The Linux Kernel In 60 Seconds
[00:58] Aria: Oh. So you DO want to extract the URL.
[00:58] JmZ: i prefer not having a subpattern i don't need
[00:59] JmZ: and reducing the length of the pattern drastically :p
[00:59] Aria: And I prefer fixed length match branches ;-)
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[01:00] JmZ: you prefer a whole subpattern vs one optional character?
[01:00] JmZ: ok then
[01:00] Aria: In this case. Not that it matters much.
[01:01] JmZ: just extra text that isn't needed :)
[01:01] JmZ: don't know why i care about this topic anyway, regex in JS is horrible and ugly
[01:02] JmZ: back to my regular channels i go
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[01:07] chapel: Has anyone seen an object method that is undefined return 'object' from typeof?
[01:08] chapel: basically, I have an object method that I want to check for with an if statement
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[01:08] chapel: I check for it if (this.x.something)
[01:08] chapel: something being what Im looking for
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[01:09] chapel: the problem is, it outputs undefined if I console log it
[01:09] chapel: and basically doesn't exist for my purposes
[01:09] CIA-109: libuv: 03Maciej Małecki 07v0.6 * rb06da4c 10/ test/runner.c : test: make test runner return non-zero in case of failure - http://git.io/1BQsCA
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[01:10] chapel: but I can't check if it exists, because it thinks it does, even though it doesn't
[01:11] chrisdickinson: v8: typeof null
[01:11] CIA-109: libuv: 03Maciej Małecki 07v0.6 * r5989961 10/ .travis.yml : test: add `.travis.yml` for testing on Travis CI - http://git.io/t8PL-w
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[01:11] chapel: btw, its a mongoose collection item
[01:12] chapel: I am thinking it might be that mongoose is messing with setter/getter
[01:12] eeemsi: Aria JmZ i'll be off now - thanks again for your awesome help. if you have something please pm me
[01:12] chapel: and causing it to be there, but not be there
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[01:12] chrisdickinson: chapel: perhaps it's returning undefined from a different vm context?
[01:12] Aria: chapel: v8 lets one create there-but-not-there objects. Very silly but possible.
[01:13] chapel: hrm
[01:13] chapel: just wondering how I can check if it actually has something
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[01:25] isaacsanders: Glob (by isaacs) seems to not be working...
[01:26] chapel: bleh, just side stepped the problem
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[01:29] justin_: How can I get a count of the number of people in the IRC?
[01:29] justin_: !count
[01:29] isaacsanders: What is a library that globs in node?
[01:30] isaacsanders: isaacs's isn't working
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[01:31] chapel: glob?
[01:31] Aria: Match filename wildcard style.
[01:32] Aria: Are you looking to do just the match, or the directory lookups too.
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[01:43] joshsmith: has anyone read tjholowaychuk's book yet?
[01:44] Aria: I haven't!
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[01:45] joshsmith: I heard there are like 130 pages written
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[01:46] Aria: Wow. It looks good.
[01:46] Aria: http://www.manning.com/cantelon/
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[01:46] shedinja: joshsmith: i read the first chapter, liked it
[01:46] joshsmith: I love the "in action" series
[01:46] joshsmith: I did MEAP for Mahout in Action, too
[01:46] joshsmith: was well worth it, imho
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[01:47] joshsmith: it looks like it's going chapter-by-chapter, so maybe it makes sense to do it
[01:48] Josh__: hi all :)
[01:48] Josh__: anyone got any pointers for somebody suffering an acute case of "ERR!     node-waf configure build" ?
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[01:48] Aria: Yes. Read the rest of the error message!
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[01:51] isaacsanders: Aria: I am looking to have a FS search... something like **/*.js to match .js files arbitrary levels deep.
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[01:51] alejandromg: Hi y'all! 
[01:52] alejandromg: just a quick question how is the proper way to handle connections error with mongoose?
[01:53] Aria: isaacsanders: interesting. That might be best to write in node, since anything that uses the system's glob() is going to be synchronous.
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[01:56] devaholic: isaacsanders: ls -Ra | grep .js
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[02:11] rhett_: hey, i'm getting an error with the connect module can ask a question about it here?
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[02:12] devaholic: dont ask about asking
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[02:12] tjfontaine: it's easier to ask than it is to ask to ask
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[02:14] rhett_: here's the error: https://gist.github.com/1464317
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[02:17] devaholic: thats not a question
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[02:34] benvie: that's a new github error
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[02:35] benvie: oh scheduled
[02:36] chjj: github is down, all is lost
[02:36] TooTallNate: http://cl.ly/321E07271B070B2D2s2f
[02:36] alejandromg: benvie: Github today is doing maintenance http://status.github.com/
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[02:49] denysonique: To compile jade to a single file compatible for client-side use simply execute:
[02:49] denysonique: $ make jade.js
[02:49] denysonique: where do I find the makefile for jade.js?
[02:49] denysonique: I have installed jade via npm
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[02:50] denysonique: I would like to use it with backbone
[02:50] isaacsanders: is there any reason node stack traces are the worst things I have ever seen?
[02:52] devaholic: isaacsanders, use stackedy
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[02:52] devaholic: denysonique, how about in your node_modules/jade directory
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[02:54] denysonique: devaholic: I thought I had already tried that, but thank you
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[03:12] nicholasf: what are people using to connect to postgres?
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[03:14] denysonique: nicholasf: I would recommend JugglingDB ORM: http://railwayjs.com/juggling.html
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[04:07] tuhoojabotti: Anyone using Nide ide?
[04:07] tuhoojabotti: Does it really need sudo to install?
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[04:10] tuhoojabotti: only if I want it global I see
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[04:15] tuhoojabotti: Okay got it, and crashed it. ;D
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[04:16] cainus: hey all.. anyone have any experience unit-testing connect/express middleware?  I'm wondering if I should just use faked request/response objects, or if it's easy enough to actually test with a full stack....
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[04:21] secoif: DNode VS Faye? Any opinions?
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[04:21] secoif: for 'pubsub'
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[04:23] secoif: i.e. build my own pubsub solution on dnode/socketio, vs use prexisting system
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[04:27] aroman: how is it possible that calling `this.foo = 'bar'` inside an object in one method doesn't make `this.foo` available in another method on the same class is undefined?
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[04:30] pyparadigm: aroman, I think if you do this.foo inside a function, it will point to that function, not the object it belongs to, so only that function will know about it
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[04:30] aroman: hah
[04:30] aroman: yeah that makes sense. I was treating it like Python's `self`.
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[04:31] aroman: pyparadigm: so I should just leave off the`this`prefix, yeah?
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[04:33] pyparadigm: You used to be able to do obj.__parent__ to get its parent, but thats Obsolete according to MDN docs https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Object
[04:33] aroman: oh i just want to have object properties.
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[04:49] pyparadigm: aroman, you should be able to just directly access everything by variable, if you want the parent object then just access it by what you named the object
[04:50] denysonique: anyone knows how to integrate Jade with Backbone?
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[04:53] aroman: Aria: so uh
[04:53] aroman: is Parser({document}) the HTML source?
[04:53] aroman: and if not, what is it?
[04:53] Aria: That's the document to parse into. (It should make one if you don't give it)
[04:54] Aria: You call Parser.parse(stream or string)
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[04:55] hotroot: Socket.io is really damn cool, I feel like making something with it...
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[04:56] aroman: Aria: alright. and what can I do with a parsed document?
[04:57] Aria: It's a DOM
[04:57] Aria: Anything you want to.
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[04:58] aroman: I see
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[05:00] aroman: Aria: my intention is to do some parsing of the DOM with uh
[05:00] aroman: well, I guess jQuery
[05:00] Aria: jsdom is what lets you do that. It's what the html5 parser talks to to make the tree.
[05:01] Aria: But at that point, you're not parsing, you're manipulating the nodes directly.
[05:01] aroman: ah I see
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[05:01] aroman: so if HTML5 does that for me,
[05:01] aroman: i'm basically done, yeah?
[05:02] aroman: as in, I ought to just play around with the parsed DOM tree as if it were a normal JS object?
[05:02] Aria: Yep.
[05:02] Aria: That's what jsdom gets you
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[05:06] devaholic: secoif, looking to use that module soon?
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[05:07] devaholic: secoif, been meaning to iterate but just too many things goingon
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[05:15] alystair: So, I used exe to install node under windows, but it's not added to path, is this normal?
[05:15] alystair: should I add manually or just use it from install dir
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[05:16] secoif: devaholic Oh, I was just following up after our conversation the other day
[05:16] devaholic: aye
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[05:18] alystair: used windows installer off of site
[05:18] alystair: documentation doesn't say much...
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[05:20] alystair: it's 32bit version and installer didn't add it to %path%, which I'm assuming it should?
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[05:22] Guest4456: Any recommendations for serving static files in conjunction with Node? nginx?
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[05:24] alystair: wtf it's already showing up in the %path% var under computer settings but not in the actual command lines when they launch
[05:24] isaacs: alystair: you try restarting?
[05:25] isaacs: alystair: since installing node, i mean
[05:25] alystair: nope
[05:25] alystair: I'll log out/in
[05:25] russfrank: or relogging
[05:25] russfrank: yeah
[05:25] isaacs: alystair: i've seen some issues where it doesn't affect it until explorer or something restarts
[05:25] isaacs: we haven't really dug into it too much
[05:25] isaacs: there he goes :)
[05:25] russfrank: haha
[05:26] isaacs: really underhanded way to get windows users to log off from the irc channel.
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[05:26] isaacs: 
ACTION jk

[05:26] russfrank: hahah
[05:27] denysonique: can someone help me getting Jade working with Backbone.js?
[05:27] denysonique: or haml
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[05:27] alystair: yep that did the trick
[05:27] alystair: very odd
[05:27] secoif: Guest4456 yes. most people use nginx.
[05:28] secoif: Guest4456 most/many
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[05:28] Guest4456: secoif: Ah... thank for that!
[05:28] russfrank: denysonique: what d oyou mean by that
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[05:28] russfrank: if you wnat to use your jade templates in the browser, you can compile them offline and use the jade runtime.j
[05:28] russfrank: s
[05:28] denysonique: russfrank: I would like Backbone.js to render Jade templates on the client side
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[05:28] russfrank: i did an experiment with that earlier today
[05:29] secoif: Guest4456 I've also heard of people using varnish
[05:29] denysonique: my problem is with integrating it into backbone
[05:29] russfrank: denysonique: so write a little compiler to jade.compile(jadestring, {client: true}) then output the compiled js to a file 
[05:29] russfrank: then <script>-in the jade runtime.js in your html file
[05:29] denysonique: ok
[05:29] russfrank: and you can just use those compiled jade template functions
[05:29] denysonique: so I need runtime.js too
[05:29] russfrank: just like you would use underscore or something
[05:30] russfrank: well
[05:30] russfrank: you can use runtime.js in the browser and then compile them first
[05:30] russfrank: or you can compile them on the client
[05:30] russfrank: i'd recommend compiling them first just because it makes sense it'll make them run faster in the browser
[05:30] secoif: russfrank you can't compile everything upfront
[05:30] russfrank: secoif: why not
[05:30] secoif: dynamic data
[05:30] russfrank: secoif: you misunderstand
[05:31] russfrank: compiling means that you produce a template function
[05:31] russfrank: into which you pass your data
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[05:31] secoif: russfrank oh, of course. yeah do that.
[05:31] russfrank: jade.compile will give you that javascript function which you can then place in a file and pass to the client
[05:31] russfrank: yeah
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[05:32] secoif: according to some benchmarks I saw a while back, jade is rather slow at rendering. I usually use jade to render templates on server, then handlebars on the frontend.
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[05:33] secoif: though i'm starting to dig the idea of no templating. eg http://beebole.com/pure/ https://github.com/flatiron/plates
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[05:35] alystair: uh can't install express via npm on windows??
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[05:35] isaacs: alystair: good question.  what do you see when you try?
[05:35] isaacs: alystair: can you copy the output to gist.github.com?
[05:36] alystair: sec
[05:36] alystair: https://gist.github.com/8843e7213ed43ab3a747
[05:36] russfrank: secoif: iunno, i dont think the class tag is the place for something like that
[05:37] alystair: this is after installing the 0.6.5 msi from site
[05:37] isaacs: alystair: ah.  right.  express isn't ok with node 0.6
[05:37] isaacs: npm ERR! Required: {"node":">= 0.4.1 < 0.5.0"}
[05:37] alystair: oh.
[05:37] isaacs: alystair: you can tell it to shut up, by doing `npm install express --force`
[05:37] isaacs: but, it could be that things won't work quite right.
[05:37] alystair: will it explode into a firey flaming ball of fire?
[05:37] isaacs: no, not likely
[05:37] isaacs: more likely it'll implode in a whimpery ball of whimper
[05:38] isaacs: much less exciting
[05:39] secoif: isaacs express works with 0.6.x ?
[05:39] alystair: oh it helps if I actually tell it to use latest version of express
[05:39] alystair: in package.json :P
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[05:40] secoif: isaacs express package.json:  "engines": { "node": ">= 0.4.1 < 0.7.0" }
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[05:41] secoif: just FYI.
[05:41] deanm: question, would node-http-proxy be a suitable solution for proxying lots of binary data?  (for node 0.4.x)  I'm not sure how well node handles binary data...  if I get tons of requests, will I blow out the memory cap?
[05:42] secoif: deanm you could do a benchmark
[05:42] secoif: deanm might be better to ask the nodejitsu guys in #nodejitsu
[05:42] deanm: well, i thought it would be easier to ask here if someone has done binary data before....
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[05:45] chrisdickinson: anyone want to help me load test a quick dumb webgl+webworkers+socket.io first person shooter?
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[05:47] chrisdickinson: (works best in chrome, especially canary -- pressing ` will go fullscreen + mouse look: http://neversaw.us:8000/games/2621394deb4452ca03cb7908fb3f8 )
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[05:50] chrisdickinson: (thanks for taking a look, whoever that was!)
[05:51] cjm: NodeUp podcast will be live in about 15min -- stream: http://ustream.tv/channel/nodeup -- irc: #nodeup
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[06:00] tuhoojabotti: hmm
[06:00] tuhoojabotti: nvm seems to have gone crazy
[06:00] tuhoojabotti: maybe I should update it :P
[06:00] alystair: foreman from heroku's toolbelt installer is kinda crap
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[06:04] tuhoojabotti: nvm still doesn't sync v0.6.5 but that's not such a big deal
[06:05] tuhoojabotti: chrisdickinson: I thought Chrome was bugging when I clicked you link, the form is almost identical to my login form I was just working on. :D
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[06:05] Sample: simple question: sorry to bother with my node newbiness, but I'm baffled why this isn't working, it seems so incredibly simple and according to documentation. I'm simply trying too have a simple page served up, with a form, and be able to see (that I'm getting) the POST response form that form.. http://jsfiddle.net/sjmhT/
[06:06] chrisdickinson: tuhoojabotti: haha :) thanks for trying it out
[06:06] chrisdickinson: was it unbearably laggy?
[06:06] tuhoojabotti: not really
[06:06] tuhoojabotti: I can't turn though
[06:07] tuhoojabotti: what's two finger scroll anyways? :D
[06:07] chrisdickinson: tuhoojabotti: oh, i'm developing on a macbook :P if you have a nightly of FF or the chrome canary, you can press ` to enable fullscreen + mouse look
[06:07] tuhoojabotti: does not work.
[06:08] tuhoojabotti: what's ` on my pc keyboard? :D
[06:08] chrisdickinson: "~"
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[06:08] tuhoojabotti: Where's that? :D
[06:08] tuhoojabotti: hmm
[06:08] tuhoojabotti: Alt Gr + ¨
[06:08] chrisdickinson: above tab, usually
[06:08] tuhoojabotti: doesn't do anything
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[06:09] tuhoojabotti: heh
[06:09] aroman: so what is one to do with javascript errors in JSDOM?
[06:09] chrisdickinson: if you're in the canary build, you need to enable mouse look in chrome://flags
[06:09] chrisdickinson: (of chrome, that is.)
[06:09] tuhoojabotti: chrisdickinson: Yeah, that's the problem.
[06:09] tuhoojabotti: I'm using beta, because I'm not a masochist
[06:09] aroman: the console just says that there's an error and [Object object] a bunch of times.
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[06:10] chrisdickinson: tuhoojabotti: haha :) i just grabbed the canary build so i could start trying to use the mouse lock api.
[06:10] tuhoojabotti: chrisdickinson: http://dev.tuhoojabotti.com/skb/ skb:webgl My game doesn't have networking yet. :P
[06:10] Sample: ^-- help zee newb, question is remarkably easy for anyone half competent im sure =P
[06:10] tuhoojabotti: Sample: What is the problem?
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[06:11] Sample: http://jsfiddle.net/sjmhT/
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[06:11] Sample: never getting to see
[06:11] tuhoojabotti: I got that
[06:11] Sample: "Data chunk received" in the terminal
[06:11] Sample: when submitting hte form
[06:11] chrisdickinson: tuhoojabotti: oo, cool.
[06:11] tuhoojabotti: webgl :P
[06:11] chrisdickinson: nice. have you seen glsl.heroku.com?
[06:11] tuhoojabotti: chrisdickinson: a spawns enemies
[06:11] tuhoojabotti: x shoots
[06:12] tuhoojabotti: chrisdickinson: And yes I have. I follow mrdoob on twitter. :P
[06:12] tuhoojabotti: Sample: Oh yeah
[06:12] Sample: oh yesh
[06:12] chrisdickinson: tuhoojabotti: ah :) sorry, it was relatively new to me.
[06:12] tuhoojabotti: hmm
[06:13] Sample: is my code confounding you by how solid it appears to be? =P
[06:13] tuhoojabotti: hmm
[06:13] aroman: anyone? JSDOM errors?
[06:14] tuhoojabotti: aroman: Nope.
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[06:14] Sample: im a bit "y u no" at the moment
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[06:14] tuhoojabotti: Sample: I'm a bit like foreveralone.png
[06:15] Sample: well i can provide you the companionship of my confusion
[06:15] tuhoojabotti: Sample: You get the request, but no data?
[06:15] Sample: correct, if i check request.method === POST console.log('have a party') a party will be had
[06:15] Sample: however the 'data' event listener isnt being called
[06:16] tuhoojabotti: Sample: Have you logged the request object?
[06:16] tuhoojabotti: perhaps there was so little data it got buffered and sent with it?
[06:16] tuhoojabotti: dunnolol
[06:16] tuhoojabotti: Hmm
[06:17] tuhoojabotti: I did do some post stuff myself
[06:17] tuhoojabotti: but then I deleted it.
[06:17] tuhoojabotti: :D
[06:17] Sample: oh noe, is this newb helping newb here?
[06:17] tuhoojabotti: I haven't done POST
[06:17] Sample: oh my, lol
[06:17] tuhoojabotti: except for that one time.
[06:17] tuhoojabotti: in node.
[06:18] tuhoojabotti: who needs post when we got websockets \o/
[06:18] Sample: im not sure what you're saying!
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[06:19] Sample: however i wrote an IRC client in my terminal that actually connected and let me issue commands as my first node project
[06:19] Sample: and i fell in love
[06:19] Sample: and marched confidently into http
[06:19] Sample: however now im not feeling as triumphant
[06:19] vsync_: :(
[06:19] tuhoojabotti: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4295782/node-js-extracting-post-data :D
[06:19] Sample: i feel like im trying to build an ikea bed and im sure im reading the manual correctly
[06:19] tuhoojabotti: I wrote a simple proxy server today to manage connections on this irc-shell server :D
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[06:20] tuhoojabotti: I feel great, man.
[06:20] Sample: tuhoojabotti: that link is cheating, it says "use Express", i want to build the wheel first =P
[06:20] Sample: reinvent if you will
[06:20] tuhoojabotti: Sample: Look below
[06:20] Sample: ah ok
[06:20] tuhoojabotti: My http server is made by hand :D
[06:22] progrock`: Slightly off topic, but Im building a web app and am trying to create a "PDF preview" functionality... can anyone recommend a good tool for this?... likely need something to convert pdf page bby page to svg or png
[06:22] tuhoojabotti: progrock`: Google node pdf
[06:22] tuhoojabotti: :D
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[06:22] tuhoojabotti: damn
[06:22] tuhoojabotti: didn't work
[06:23] tuhoojabotti: well anyways
[06:23] tuhoojabotti: http://pdfkit.org/ This might help?
[06:23] tuhoojabotti: hmm
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[06:23] tuhoojabotti: that's more like creating
[06:23] progrock`: tuhoojabotti: opposite direction.. though that is very interesting.. Im using PhantomJS for pdf generation... need smething for the reverse
[06:23] tuhoojabotti: Yeah
[06:24] Sample: so sad
[06:24] tuhoojabotti: Sample: Let me try your code
[06:24] tuhoojabotti: :D
[06:25] progrock`: thats cool though.. but I'm guessing phantomJS will be a little easier for my use case (custom pdf report generation from our web platform)
[06:25] tuhoojabotti: Sample: Yup, same problem
[06:25] progrock`: but now that I'm creating nice PDFs, I need an inbrowser way to allow users to view them, lol.  But hopefully not aflash/flex based one, haha
[06:25] tuhoojabotti: progrock`: Chrome.
[06:25] tuhoojabotti: :)
[06:25] tuhoojabotti: Sample: Same problem yeah
[06:26] progrock`: lol, i dont think chrome views pdfs without a plugin
[06:26] tuhoojabotti: it does
[06:26] progrock`: but need to support FF, chrome, and safari
[06:26] tuhoojabotti: but sometimes it fallbacks to adobe
[06:26] tuhoojabotti: ;)
[06:26] progrock`: ugh, adobe in broswer blows
[06:26] tuhoojabotti: it sure does
[06:27] tuhoojabotti: luckily the default works most of the time.
[06:27] tuhoojabotti: I hate PDF.
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[06:28] tuhoojabotti: oh wait
[06:28] tuhoojabotti: I might know
[06:29] tuhoojabotti: Sample: Hold on!
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[06:29] progrock`: btw, thanks for the help... honestly gogling for web based pdf viewer is almsot as bad as gooling for viagra... sooo many  bs results
[06:30] tuhoojabotti: nope
[06:30] DTrejo: pdf.js ?
[06:30] progrock`: \we have ICE pdf working decent... but its jsut a joke, the onl thing we need in the commercial version is the font support... all we'd be using it for is to extract pdf pages into PNGs on the fly
[06:30] tuhoojabotti: Yes!
[06:30] progrock`: DTrejo: tried it
[06:30] Sample: ohhh, this is a good sign
[06:30] tuhoojabotti: Sample: enctype="multipart/form-data"
[06:31] progrock`: no hope in firefix 3.6
[06:31] tuhoojabotti: :D
[06:31] Sample: on the form!? if that's all im going to murder who i deem the most helpful person in this channel =P
[06:31] tuhoojabotti: That's all
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[06:32] progrock`: iI wish I could find one that converted to SVG, and did it well.. but thats not gonna work with all the custom fonts people use
[06:32] Sample: damn it!
[06:32] Sample: that worked
[06:32] Sample: thanks a lot! (now you shall die)
[06:32] tuhoojabotti: Sample: Of course it worked.
[06:32] Sample: =P
[06:32] tuhoojabotti: I'm ready to die.
[06:32] progrock`: then again, I culd always have apng fallback if the SVG looks horrible... but that would be weird ui for a non-geek user
[06:32] Sample: that does confuse me though
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[06:33] Sample: for PHP et cet you certainly don't need to declare any such thing, i wonder if that's because something is covered behind the scenes or that node is just picky
[06:33] tuhoojabotti: Sample: I know.
[06:33] tuhoojabotti: But node ain't your php
[06:33] zomg: I bet you could use <?php and ?> as open/close tags in ejs
[06:33] tuhoojabotti: ugh
[06:33] tuhoojabotti: Sample: Kill zomg 
[06:33] zomg: Then just prefix all your view variables with a $ when assigning them
[06:33] zomg: problem?
[06:34] zomg: ;)
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[06:36] zomg: I'm pretty sure you need enctype in PHP too, at least if you're uploading files
[06:36] zomg: For standard POST'ing, not
[06:36] zomg: Nor do you need that in node either for that
[06:37] Sample: well this is a situation in which i couldnt get TEXT in a <textarea> to appear
[06:37] zomg: o_O
[06:37] zomg: That's odd
[06:37] Sample: and had to declare the enctype in the form for node to trigger the request.on('data')
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[06:37] zomg: Ah, could be it sends or processes the data differently when using that enctype
[06:38] zomg: I just use req.body.textfieldName when reading POST data
[06:38] zomg: which seems to work
[06:38] Sample: oh i had no idea you could do that, seems like a much more sane approach for passing plaintext
[06:39] zomg: Yeah if you use express you can do that, you just need to enable the bodyParser middleware (or whatever it was called)
[06:40] Sample: oh okay, yah im purposefully not using express yet, but it raises a good point that i should explore the request object anyways to see what i find
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[06:41] jhurliman: Sample, recent versions of express also support file uploads with bodyParser()
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[06:42] tuhoojabotti: Yes
[06:42] tuhoojabotti: using a module for POST is a good idea.
[06:42] jhurliman: req.body.fileuploadfield (where fileuploadfield is the name of the file input html control) will be an object with several properties
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[06:59] Sample: tuhoojabotti: just an update, some more interesting confusion
[06:59] Sample: although it works with multipart/form-data it just gives some strange string that seems meaningless (or that i cant figure out how to decrypt)
[06:59] Sample: also enctype isnt required
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[07:00] zomg: iirc it's urlencoded or something
[07:00] Sample: by default it sends with the very wordy application/x-www-form-urlencoded
[07:00] Sample: however both when specifying that enctype (as it was in my initial jsfiddle example by way of not declaring an enctype), the request.on('data') listener is never fired
[07:00] konobi: wireshark++
[07:00] Sample: which i find most unusual
[07:01] Sample: zomg: the default one is
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[07:03] Sample: well, tomorrow then. cya all
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[08:36] codehotter: hi, [AD]Turbo 
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[08:37] tuhoojabotti: [AD]Turbo: Is that [AD] your clan-tag?
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[09:00] booyaa: totes
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[09:05] JasonSmith: mikeal: res.body is nice but I have a feeling it doesn't get the sugar that the current third parameter gets, like JSON parsing
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[09:05] JasonSmith: I like the idea of no 3rd parameter at all though (which kind of forces it to be the response object)
[09:05] mikeal: i think it does
[09:05] JasonSmith: oh nice, you mutate the response object. Yeah I can live with that :)
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[09:06] JasonSmith: The other day I was thinking about a request plugin or module system based on my patch for alternative http modules
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[09:06] JasonSmith: For example, something that auto-signs all your S3 requests, so you just use the normal API and it does the needful on the headers
[09:07] ayle: hey, i just installed node on my mac v10.6.8 and after running configure make and sudo make install,  make test has 82 failures.  Does anyone know what could be wrong?
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[09:11] josephg: ayle: you should probably install nodejs from homebrew or something
[09:11] josephg: instead of source
[09:11] mikeal: JasonSmith: yeah
[09:11] josephg: (imo)
[09:11] mikeal: kind of like OAuth signing
[09:11] JasonSmith: yeah
[09:11] JasonSmith: but I don't know, it started sounding frameworkey so I figured nah
[09:11] JasonSmith: FWIW though I wrap request to convert couch errors to Javascript errors in almost all my projects *shrug*
[09:12] ayle: thanx i'll try homebrew
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[09:13] josephg: np
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[09:14] booyaa: homebrew rocks
[09:14] booyaa: ayle, although you may find cinderella more to your suiting if you're setting up a mac for dev
[09:15] mikeal: i wrote a couch library
[09:15] booyaa: it still uses homebrew but sets up node, nginx, a few dbs (oddly no couch i think)
[09:15] booyaa: i think the guy atmos (works for github) also includes n or nvm
[09:15] mikeal: i hate myself for doing it
[09:15] mikeal: but i was really sick of doing a few things inline
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[09:17] JasonSmith: Yeah, I'm thinking like request.defaults({...}) and you get a new function with whatever modifiers are in that plugin
[09:18] JasonSmith: But, now we're talking about peer dependencies and I'm like, is this trip really necessary
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[09:19] JasonSmith: I might submit a patch that hooks up defaults() to my module lookup code so I can do that in my own projects
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[09:20] plutoid: what's the package name of nodejs for debian? THX!
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[09:21] ablomen: plutoid, you don't want to install node via apt, follow the instructions how to build on the website
[09:21] tanepiper: plutoid: compile from source, the debian package is wildly out of date, unless you can find someone on launchpad that has a recent build
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[09:23] caioketo: hey there is some example for node.js working with normal socket, sending message, etc?
[09:24] plutoid:  I met the "not found library dl " error while configure the source.
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[09:24] plutoid: I'm trying..
[09:25] booyaa: caioketo: you mean regular plain old sockets instead of websockets?
[09:25] booyaa: like a telnet app?
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[09:26] caioketo: i mean, i need to send message to sockets that are written in c# with "System.Net.Sockets"
[09:26] booyaa: yeah sounds like that then...
[09:26] booyaa: caioketo: 2nd code example on nodejs.org
[09:26] caioketo: ok, ill read that...
[09:27] caioketo: tha tthing is that ill need to get websocket messages (with socket.io) and the just send it to normal sockets
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[09:28] booyaa: heh i'm rather stoked my .net brethren are seeing the light of node.js :)
[09:28] booyaa: what i'm not stoked about is installing sp3 and adding vs2010. mmm
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[09:29] booyaa: tbh i prolly won't until they've installed the new version of scm. we got some guys who are zipping up their entire solution to a network drive at the end of the day.
[09:29] booyaa: epic failure is going to ensue for them.
[09:29] caioketo: lol =D
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[09:30] booyaa: caioketo: srsly i'd stick visualsvn on a server as a stop gap rather than do that craziness
[09:31] booyaa: caioketo: you messed around with the azure/node stuff yet?
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[09:33] booyaa: oh fuckyeah $MSFT you're pimping github instead of that codeplex nonsense!
[09:33] booyaa: http://www.windowsazure.com/en-us/develop/nodejs/ <-- approves of this behaviour
[09:34] caioketo: never touched azure yet :D
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[09:37] booyaa: how about appharbor?
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[09:40] booyaa: come on killer you must've used .net's nearest equivalent to heroku
[09:40] tanepiper: booyaa: MS have been making up for their past evils
[09:40] tanepiper: in the end it's still about money, but they recently patched Redis to work as well
[09:40] booyaa: you can deploy your apps using git for pete's sake it's totally rawesome and mostly free (for low end use)
[09:41] booyaa: tanepiper: totally... they're also hedging on node.js
[09:41] tanepiper: booyaa: yea, i never bothered learning powershell and now I have nodejs to write scripts that I used to have to either run remotely or on a VM
[09:41] tanepiper: but then I'm going to get a mac in the new year anyway, so mehh
[09:42] booyaa: tanepiper: air? or something beefy?
[09:42] booyaa: since switching to node.js for dev, i can seriously consider switch to an ipad
[09:42] tanepiper: Air 13" - it's pretty beefy anyway, can run the Thunderblot display no problem
[09:42] tanepiper: perfect for my needs
[09:42] booyaa: yeah air's performance at the moment is stunning
[09:43] booyaa: i've got a 2yr old mbp i think the air is comparable...
[09:47] booyaa: right time to switch hats and pretend to be an xpages developer. thankfully that is mostly driven by javascript (even if it is j2ee/jsf in diguise)
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[09:48] tanepiper: I'm no fanboai but I've been using a iMac at work for a while now, and I'm pretty used to it - and my new job starting in Jan is one of the newest iMacs]
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[09:48] tanepiper: so i'm pretty much all mac at work, and it runs Minecraft so pretty much a no-brainer
[09:49] booyaa: heh :)
[09:49] tanepiper: I've got a XBox for anything else :D  Phone wise I'm still considering 4s vs new Nokia, but i'm ditching Android
[09:50] booyaa: has minecraft come out for the xbox yet? i heard it was demoed at minecraftcon in nov
[09:50] booyaa: playing it on the ios at the mo, but it feels a bit empty
[09:50] booyaa: no mobs
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[09:50] booyaa: it's very much classic rather than survival/adv/hardcore
[09:51] tanepiper: due out in the new year, being developed by a local company I found out
[09:52] booyaa: cool
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[09:54] booyaa: would really love to play skyblock level on my iphone. would be a perfect time waster
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[10:06] konobi: any node-tar users around?
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[10:15] konobi: eldios: bonjourno
[10:15] eldios: yo konobi 
[10:15] eldios: =9
[10:15] eldios: =)
[10:15] eldios: what a shame you couldn't stop here!
[10:16] eldios: maybe next time we can organize something
[10:16] konobi: yeah... firenze, milano, zurich, ireland =0)
[10:19] mmalecki: einaros: <3 <3 <3 for ws
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[10:20] einaros: mmalecki: you're welcome :)
[10:21] einaros: good god, node is fast
[10:21] eldios: konobi, you'll stop in firenze?
[10:22] mmalecki: einaros: yes! :) I'm gonna see if we can use it for testing node-http-proxy
[10:23] mmalecki: einaros: old thing uses old http api so it's basically shit
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[10:26] booyaa: i've come to the conclusion people who write books for ibm press are the dullest people on earth
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[10:26] caioketo: booyaa, how can I built like a client socket in node.js?
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[10:26] caioketo: couse ill connect in the c# server
[10:26] caioketo: to send it all messages that arrives from websockets
[10:27] caioketo: that example u told me
[10:27] caioketo: just teach to use a normal socket server
[10:27] caioketo: but i need a client :P
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[10:29] konobi: eldios: yeah
[10:29] booyaa: caioketo: thought you just wanted tcp sockets not websockets?
[10:30] eldios: mmm konobi query
[10:30] booyaa: caioketo: have a look at socket.io/sockjs and http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.11/api/net.htm
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[10:32] booyaa: oh this page also has some useful examples too: http://www.hacksparrow.com/tcp-socket-programming-in-node-js.html
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[10:32] booyaa: there's a toy client/server tcp socket example there
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[10:33] booyaa: socket.io also has lots of demo code.
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[10:33] mmalecki: if you're looking into something with a bit of a protocol, check out nssocket
[10:33] caioketo: its like "socket.connect(port, [host], [callback])" ??
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[10:34] caioketo: i just use that? and then I can use "socket.send" ?
[10:34] booyaa: mmalecki: nssocket, very nice! </borat>
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[10:35] mmalecki: lol
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[10:37] caioketo: that what i said will work?
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[10:51] Fabryz: want a chat demo app with socket.io?
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[10:51] Fabryz: https://github.com/Fabryz/support-chat there
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[10:56] fransoic: I have a question about V8. Is that true that v8 compile Javascript to native code ?
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[10:56] mmalecki: fransoic: in general, yes
[10:56] eldios: Fabryz, having a nice long int as a nick is definitely nice.. but I'd prefer to set a literal nickname :P
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[10:57] mmalecki: it's a bit more complicated than that because jit is involved
[10:57] mmalecki: but in general, yes
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[11:03] majek: booyaa: have you played with sockjs?
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[11:05] Fabryz: eldios to be faster while making the app, i've used the user session_id of socket.io :9
[11:05] Fabryz: :)*
[11:05] Fabryz: I just needed to test private messages
[11:06] eldios: ^_^
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[11:18] lulzilla: is there a module for uploading files to another website using post request in node?
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[11:20] jameshowe: hello, can somebody tell me whether crypto.randomBytes uses a blocking source or not?
[11:20] ind6u: How is web development using Node different from using frameworks like web2py or django?
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[11:21] jameshowe: or how otherwise one should implement /dev/urandom on Windows Node.JS
[11:22] benvie: Math.random()?
[11:22] benvie: it uses V8's
[11:22] jameshowe: cryptographically secure
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[11:22] jameshowe: to the extent that /dev/urandom is
[11:23] benvie: sec
[11:23] mspahn: In 2011 no one should use windows ;)
[11:23] jameshowe: well I'd like to continue to use the cygwin build, but you know...
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[11:25] Glenjamin: why use cygwin over a VM?
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[11:25] jameshowe: better integration
[11:26] jameshowe: easier and faster to setup
[11:26] mmalecki: why use Windows at all?
[11:26] jameshowe: corp policy
[11:26] mmalecki: you should develop on evironment you'll deploy to
[11:27] josephg: +1 to that
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[11:27] jameshowe: but back to my original question: crypto.randomBytes - does it wait to collect sufficient entropy or not?
[11:27] benvie: #if defined(DEVRANDOM) || defined(DEVRANDOM_EGD)
[11:27] mmalecki: oh, and I'd run as fast as I could if that's a company policy
[11:27] mmalecki: and yeah, iirc it's cryptographically secure
[11:27] benvie: it uses openssl's random
[11:27] mmalecki: let me dig into the code
[11:28] josephg: yeah - I'd be surprised if crypto.randomBytes() could be insecure in some cases
[11:28] benvie: which uses /dev/random
[11:28] mmalecki: benvie++
[11:28] catb0t: benvie now has 1 beer
[11:28] jameshowe: so blocking then
[11:28] josephg: its possible.
[11:28] josephg: … I guess.
[11:28] jameshowe: well /dev/random is
[11:29] josephg: functions in the standard library can be blocking (eg, require, fs.readFileSync, etc)
[11:29] jameshowe: and i assume the windows/*nix builds of openssl behave the same
[11:29] jameshowe: I don't mean blocking in node
[11:29] benvie: well blocking how so
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[11:29] benvie: yeah was going to say
[11:29] benvie: it'll be on the threadpool
[11:29] jameshowe: blocking like /dev/random is vs. .dev/urandom
[11:30] josephg: oh right...
[11:30] josephg: randomBytes(size, [callback])
[11:30] josephg: so yeah, it'll wait until there's enough entropy to generate random bytes, then call the callback with them
[11:30] jameshowe: k, thanks
[11:30] josephg: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.6.5/api/crypto.html#randomBytes
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[11:31] jameshowe: the docs don't say, hence why I'm asking
[11:31] josephg: its got 2 modes of operation
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[11:31] josephg: if you pass a callback, it'll return immediately and call the callback when its received enough entropy
[11:31] mmalecki: jameshowe: but really, run. unless your corp provides you with a free striptease on friday night and a beer every day
[11:31] josephg: if you call it without a callback, the function will block until its received enough entropy and return with the bytes
[11:31] mmalecki: limiting people to one OS is never a good idea.
[11:32] jameshowe: i'm not
[11:32] jameshowe: but trying to support windows and linux deployments
[11:32] josephg: mmalecki: I did some work last year at google, and without special permission from on high, you can't use windows as your desktop OS at all
[11:32] jameshowe: and not force a large and scattered dev team to totally migrate
[11:32] AutomatedTester: what's the best way to access $HOME via fs?
[11:33] mmalecki: josephg: yeah, it makes sense
[11:33] mmalecki: jameshowe: if you deploy to windows, that's fine
[11:33] mmalecki: josephg: well, windows is the most insecure OS ever developed
[11:33] josephg: mmalecki: eh, not really true
[11:33] josephg: not true at all of modern windowses.
[11:34] mmalecki: josephg: man, they parse TTF in ring 0!
[11:34] mmalecki: there were few security bugs related to that
[11:34] josephg: lol really? heh… I bet
[11:34] jameshowe: well one doesn't genrally use fonts on server deployments
[11:34] mmalecki: josephg: https://www.cr0.org/paper/to-jt-party-at-ring0.pdf
[11:35] lzskiss: jameshowe, windoze on public server is a harakiri
[11:35] jameshowe: that's nice
[11:35] josephg: from what I understand, if you know what you're doing and keep up to date with patches, you can lock down a windows server box reasonably effectively
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[11:35] mmalecki: *harakiri with a kitchen knife, lol
[11:36] josephg: - if you're a huge target like google, I understand the concern, but for most people windows server works fine
[11:36] mmalecki: josephg: yeah, I bet
[11:36] josephg: 
ACTION shrugs

[11:36] josephg: too expensive and hard to maintain for my taste - though if I was doing .NET development I'd prefer windows for sure
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[11:37] jameshowe: i shall leave you with my final thought - most server deployments don't generate enough entropy to implement multi-user crypto stuff, so maybe randomBytes should provide a urandom equivalent
[11:38] zomg: lzskiss> jameshowe, windoze on public server is a harakiri
[11:38] zomg: man knows what he's talking about
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[11:38] zomg: no wonder stack overflow is always down!
[11:38] zomg: Oh wait... =)
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[11:39] lzskiss: zomg, they are talking about the fragile windoze
[11:39] tuhoojabotti: SubStack: Bouncy is nice. :)
[11:40] mmalecki: actually I think that SO uses mono as well
[11:40] SubStack: tuhoojabotti: it could be a little faster though
[11:40] josephg: mmalecki: really??
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[11:40] SubStack: need to refactor parsley to be faster
[11:40] zomg: I sorta doubt they are running the entire stack on Mono...
[11:40] josephg: last I checked, mono was significantly slower than microsoft's .NET stack
[11:41] josephg: and it lags feature-wise
[11:41] zomg: And significantly less featurecomplete
[11:41] josephg: yeah
[11:41] tuhoojabotti: SubStack: Things could always be faster in computing.
[11:41] mmalecki: josephg: yeah, that's what I've heard. at least the founder mentioned it somewhere on the blog
[11:41] zomg: There's probably some post on their architecture in the SO blog
[11:41] zomg: iirc I've seen one
[11:41] SubStack: tuhoojabotti: specifically I want to get it faster than http-proxy again
[11:41] tuhoojabotti: ;)
[11:41] zomg: http://highscalability.com/blog/2009/8/5/stack-overflow-architecture.html
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[11:41] josephg: its possible that linux+mono is still cheaper than windows server, even if you have to run more boxes
[11:42] josephg: because of licensing costs
[11:42] zomg: Well there you have it. I don't see mono, although it is a bit old post
[11:42] zomg: josephg: assuming you don't need any tech support prob yeah
[11:42] josephg: 
ACTION = unsurprised

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[11:42] josephg: yeah
[11:42] josephg: well, they'll need data center admins either way
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[11:47] booyaa: josephg: have you had a look at hosting with appharbor?
[11:48] booyaa: or about azure?
[11:48] josephg: no.
[11:48] josephg: its been a few years since I've done serious dev work on windows, so my knowledge is a bit out of date
[11:48] josephg: I mean, I know about azure.. but I haven't looked in depth at it.
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[11:52] AutomatedTester: do I need to read a file before appending to it?
[11:56] josephg: AutomatedTester: no
[11:56] josephg: you just need to be at the end of the file...
[11:57] josephg: either open it in append mode, or open it normally and seek to the end (fseek)
[11:57] AutomatedTester: i just figured out my problem, I was passing in 0 instead of null
[11:57] AutomatedTester: was thinking the arg was for something else 
[11:58] AutomatedTester: changed it to null and its working
[11:58] AutomatedTester: thanks josephg 
[11:58] josephg: :)
[11:58] AutomatedTester: josephg: do you know how I can write to ~
[11:58] josephg: …. the home directory?
[11:59] AutomatedTester: yea
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[12:03] josephg: um, let me see
[12:03] AutomatedTester: josephg: I tried "~/file.txt" and it returned file does not exist
[12:03] josephg: yeah
[12:03] josephg: > require('path').resolve('~')
[12:03] josephg: '/Users/josephg/src/Chipmunk-Physics/js/~'
[12:03] josephg: … not what you want
[12:04] josephg: you can use  process.env.HOME - which is a bit klunky
[12:04] josephg: but it might be the right way to do it.
[12:04] AutomatedTester: ok cool
[12:04] AutomatedTester: i'll have a play
[12:04] AutomatedTester: thanks again ;)
[12:04] josephg: require('path').resolve(process.env.HOME, 'file.txt')
[12:04] josephg: '/Users/josephg/file.txt'
[12:04] josephg: :)
[12:05] Tobbe: are there any dates for any interesting nodejs confs in 2012 yet? or any general js confs with nodejs talks?
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[12:06] AutomatedTester: Tobbe: have a look at NodeConf
[12:06] AutomatedTester: assuming its going next year but would be surprised if it wasnt :)
[12:07] Tobbe: I only find info about 2011 nodeconf. Can't find anyting about 2012
[12:07] AutomatedTester: perhaps they havent started organising :)
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[12:08] AutomatedTester: I know a Conf thats in April and they only started organising a few weeks ago
[12:11] Tobbe: This is the only thing I've been able to find: http://www.jsday.it/2012/ but that's just general js
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[12:15] HektoR: hello guys. is it possible to create permanent session or one user ?
[12:17] HektoR: on one user*
[12:17] mansoor-s: HektoR, explain more please
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[12:19] HektoR: mansoor-s: so i need to identify each user which connects to node.js. I don't have authorization system, every user is "Guest". So i want to create permanent session for each user that connects, so if it connects again after few days i need to identify it...
[12:20] HektoR: mansoor-s: something like php session only permanent ...
[12:21] mansoor-s: HektoR, if you are using  express, it comes with a session middleware, but there is no "user-management" system/library that i know of at the moment. so that will need to be built from scratch
[12:21] HektoR: mansoor-s: i just need to have only one session id for user, that will never change ...
[12:21] mansoor-s: HektoR, if you want permanent, then instead of saving it to memory (or memory store like Redis) use a full on DB like mongo or mysql to save it to disk
[12:22] mansoor-s: HektoR, how will you deal with deleted cookies?
[12:22] HektoR: mansoor-s: hmm ... you're right ... that's problem ...
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[12:24] mansoor-s: its better to save the users information on disk say with MongoDB and use somethign like Redis for session managment. when user logs in, authentication, privilages are checked against the DB and loaded onto the users session (using say.. redis)
[12:24] mansoor-s: or not.. you dont even need an in memory storage 
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[12:30] HektoR: mansoor-s: with authentication everything is fine. but i don't have login system and i want to solve this problem without it
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[13:01] fransoic: mmalecki: So does this mean that we could compile javascript and then run the compiled code with v8 (depending on the arch of course).
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[13:02] mmalecki: fransoic: no, not really
[13:02] mmalecki: I mean, maybe, with some v8 changes
[13:02] mmalecki: but it doesn't make sense
[13:03] fransoic: Why not ?
[13:04] mmalecki: why would you like to do that?
[13:04] fransoic: To obfuscate code.
[13:05] mmalecki: lol
[13:05] fransoic: :D
[13:05] Sembiance: What's everyone favorite logger module?
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[13:09] fransoic: We are selling an appliance server and we are going to develop a web api based on nodejs. That's why it would be better for us to obfuscate the code as much as possible.
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[13:11] konobi: fransoic: waste of time... if you're worried about unlicensed copies... hire a lawyer
[13:11] Lingerance: If you're selling an appliance just encrypt your code and call for a key.
[13:12] fransoic: Lingerance: How would you do that ?
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[13:13] Sembiance: fransoic: no matter what you do, your entire 'appliance' is in the hands of the enemy, they'll be able to do whatever they want given enough time and motivation
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[13:15] Sembiance: fransoic: that being said, I'm not aware of any intentional obfuscators for javascript. YUI compressor and Google closure compiler will both end up producing code that is very difficult to read, although a quick trip through a javascript prettyfier will make it a lot easier again
[13:16] Sembiance: fransoic: I agree with konobi, spending time and effort trying to make it more difficult to do is probably not worth it.
[13:16] fransoic: Sembiance: Yep, I looked at the closure compiler "ADVANCED_OPTIMIZATIONS". I think that i will use that.
[13:16] mmalecki: lol
[13:17] mmalecki: fransoic: you're obviously doing it wrong.
[13:17] mmalecki: fransoic: host it on your server
[13:17] fransoic: Sembiance: sure, but i can't say to my both "don't bother, it's a wate time, just give source code!"
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[13:18] fransoic: to my boss
[13:18] josephg: 
ACTION agrees with Sembiance 

[13:18] konobi: fransoic: sure you can... there's a bunch of case studies around it
[13:18] josephg: I used the closure compiler for awhile in my library - and there were some bugs that didn't appear the code was closure-compiled
[13:18] konobi: i can't remember the names off the top of my head, but i remember them from my compsec days
[13:19] josephg: run through a prettyfier, its quite readable (well, its easy to match it up to the original code)
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[13:20] josephg: fransoic: If you're happy with the code simply being *hard* to read, check out uglifyjs
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[13:20] josephg: its similar to closure, but its written in javascript, it runs about 10x faster than the closure compiler, and the output is very similar anyway.
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[13:21] konobi: debugging production issues is gonna be fun for you =0)
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[13:21] fransoic: okkeeyyy, i will try to convince my boss
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[13:25] pity: What is the substitute for proces.binding("net");  from version node 4.0  in node 6.0? would like to upgrade but this hold me kinda back :(
[13:28] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: ping?
[13:28] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: pong
[13:28] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: hey, so you mentioned that libuv isn't fork-safe, right?
[13:28] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: i did
[13:28] bnoordhuis: repeatedly
[13:28] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: any chance it'll change when you guys make it thread-safe?
[13:29] bnoordhuis: no, fork safety and thread safety are two completely separate issues
[13:29] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: right. so it's a non-issue for now?
[13:29] bnoordhuis: yes
[13:30] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: ok, so how'd you daemonize node process?
[13:30] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: don't even mention forever. I have no idea how to daemonize forever.
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[13:30] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: i probably wouldn't do it from inside the node process itself
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[13:31] Glenjamin: &
[13:31] bnoordhuis: have a wrapper setsid, fork, remap stdio, etc., then execute node
[13:31] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: so, nohup? or just spawn another process which forks and spawns forever?
[13:31] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: see above :)
[13:31] mmalecki: ok, it makes sense.
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[13:31] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: thanks :)
[13:31] bnoordhuis: np, my pleasure
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[13:32] bnoordhuis: pity: what are you using process.binding('net') for?
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[13:37] PHPTroll: I need to keep an array of ~50000 items (1kb per item) always available, should I declare it as a global or use redis?
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[13:38] pity: bnoordhuis: I found solution for master-worker in slide 34  http://www.slideshare.net/the_undefined/nodejs-in-production, but this is not anymore working in node 6.0
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[13:39] bnoordhuis: pity: master/worker? are you looking for the built-in cluster module?
[13:40] bnoordhuis: PHPTroll: if you have more than one node instance, you can't get around to storing it somewhere external
[13:40] pity: bnoordhuis: thank you very much I will have a look on it :)
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[13:41] PHPTroll: bnoordhuis: only 1 instance
[13:41] PHPTroll: im mainly concerned about memory fragmentation since i have to update/delete the items a lot
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[13:42] bnoordhuis: PHPTroll: don't, that's something v8 takes care of
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[13:44] mmalecki: little poll: how many of you use forever to daemonize processes?
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[13:44] mmalecki: 
ACTION wants to do expectations management

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[13:46] augustl: I use monit
[13:46] mmalecki: !npm search monit
[13:46] jhbot: packages (short format, truncated): monitor, node-redis-monitor, npm-monitor, node-mynix-feed, iostat, coolmonitor, curator, activenode-monitor, voyeur, babelweb, hook.io-sitemonitor, kanshi, log.io, wasp-worker, wasp-web, hotcode, nodemon, express-rate, bolt-monitor, cloud
[13:46] mmalecki: augustl: link?
[13:47] augustl: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=monit ;)
[13:47] mmalecki: augustl: http://mmonit.com/monit/ ?
[13:47] mmalecki: I thought it was a npm module, sorry
[13:48] augustl: yep that's monit
[13:48] augustl: monit is a generic process monitoring tool
[13:49] mmalecki: augustl: makes sense. I'm starting to think that forever doesn't really need to daemonize.
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[13:49] augustl: daemonize doesn't really mean anything practical in a server environment though does it
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[13:52] mmalecki: augustl: yeah, I know
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[13:53] mmalecki: augustl: that's why I kind of hate that we have to do it.
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[13:53] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: hey, what does joyent use to keep node processes up?
[13:53] augustl: not sure what you mean by that
[13:53] augustl: you have to name the process daemonizing?
[13:53] augustl: all that's certain is that you need to start a few processes
[13:54] mmalecki: augustl: I mean, it isn't even daemonizing. daemonizing isn't really possible. but forever *kinda* does that by some dirty hacks.
[13:54] mmalecki: and I'd like to remove this part at all.
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[13:56] mmalecki: augustl: I mean, check out `rewrite` branch
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[13:57] mmalecki: I wouldn't like this solution to run in my production but that's the only solution
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[13:59] Glenjamin: is there any particular advantage to a node-based solution here?
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[14:09] tanepiper: Glenjamin: how long is a piece of string?
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[14:09] augustl: how many soccer fields do you have to stack to get to the moon?
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[14:10] Glenjamin: for the specific case of managing server processes without doing the 'hacks' forever does
[14:11] tanepiper: At the moment, probably not - but post 0.8 then maybe, and that's due early next year
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[14:13] mmalecki: Glenjamin: we can control these processes. but we would be able to control them without deamonizing them as well
[14:14] mmalecki: so, daemonizing can be handled by nohup or monit or whatever. doing it with forever is kinda NIH.
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[14:24] Theo: Hello! If I run a router module such as express. Let's say I listen to a verb. When I get the request I send html. I do not want to put it all together in node, but I send out a static page from couchdb. The problem is that I want to add an ID number to response so I can catch it in my static page.  How can I do that? Hope you understand =)
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[14:27] pita: Is there a way to force npm to install a module that claims to work only with node v0.5
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[14:29] bnoordhuis: pita: -f?
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[14:32] Ragnis: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6652316/how-to-override-a-npm-install-version-check-failure
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[14:35] augustl: Theo: perhaps you can add it as a header
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[14:36] augustl: Theo: alternatively, write a buffer containing <span style="display:none;">id number here</span> after writing the html from couch
[14:36] augustl: invalid HTML, but who cares.. ;)
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[14:40] tanepiper: jn: have you flushed/ended stdout, it might be a post-flush filled value ?
[14:40] tanepiper: (not sure, but worth checking)
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[14:44] Theo: august1: I'm fairly new to the headers, so how do you mean exactly, can i add to the response header before I send out
[14:44] jn: tanepiper: can you end stdout?
[14:45] tanepiper: yes, process.stdout.end()
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[14:45] jn: hmm, seems not
[14:45] jn: > process.stdout.end()
[14:45] jn: Error: process.stdout cannot be closed
[14:46] tanepiper: did you .flush() it first?
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[14:46] jn: there is no flush method what i can see
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[14:48] its_me: Hello all. Any idea as to when Node.js might hit a proper stable release? (approx.)
[14:48] jn: docs say write() will flush, no other mention of it
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[14:49] Rushing: is a module ANY js/json file loaded with require(), or is it just the root js loaded for a package?
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[14:49] tanepiper: Rushing: any file
[14:49] tanepiper: that has module.export or exports.
[14:49] Rushing: so a "package" is a collection of "modules"?
[14:49] tanepiper: yup
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[14:50] Rushing: ok, and can i do something like module.exports = new MyModuleClass()?
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[14:51] tanepiper: yea, https://github.com/tanepiper/node-bitly/blob/master/bitly.js
[14:51] tanepiper: for example if this wasn't a module I could do require('./path/to/bitly.js')
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[14:52] Rushing: you mean if you didn't have it installed as a package?
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[14:53] tanepiper: yea
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[14:55] Rushing: ok, so if i'm trying to build a namespace in a package, what's teh best way to do that?
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[14:56] Rushing: i'm trying to put each important class in its own js file for versioning, so i guess they're all "modules"
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[15:03] mansoor-s: Rushing, I'm doing it like this: https://github.com/mansoor-s/Quasar/tree/master/src    but I don't know if anyone else is
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[15:04] jn: found the problem bytesWritten is undefined on stdout if the output is redirected somewhere: https://gist.github.com/1467666
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[15:06] Rushing: so let's say i have /lib/Whatever.js and /index.js, and i require them from some other package. do they share a module object?
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[15:07] Rushing: guess i'm just confused about how to force context of a package's module if people are entering it at random depths
[15:07] tanepiper: you could create it as a package and put it in node_modules
[15:07] tanepiper: you don't need to publish it to NPM for it to work
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[15:08] tanepiper: as long as it as an entry point (either index.js in the root, or a entry in the package.json file)
[15:08] tanepiper: node_modules is a node thing, not a npm thing
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[15:09] Aikar: Rushing: if you make /index.js do module.exports = require('./lib/Whatever.js') then yes require to either path will be the same object
[15:10] Aikar: but as tane said, package.json with a "main":"./lib/Whatever.js" is just as good
[15:10] Aikar: so you wont need a "stub"
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[15:11] Rushing: i guess my confusion is that i'm trying to create a namespace like regular client side js, namespace = {}; namespace.subns.Whatever = function()...
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[15:11] Rushing: but instead i should just be thinking of that as require('namespace/subns/Whatever.js').Whatever
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[15:13] tanepiper: yea, for example you could do something like this: https://gist.github.com/8acd9406fe20b7aa7dae
[15:14] tanepiper: then make index.js your entry point, and you can do var foo = require('./mymodule').foo
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[15:16] Rushing: i guess i'm just so confused i'm not being clear...
[15:17] Rushing: i understand that what you pass to module.exports is waht you get from require
[15:17] Rushing: i'm just trying to understand...where am i?...in scope and order of operations
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[15:18] patrickgamer: Looking for a quick and cheap bid on a job I posted on elance: https://www.elance.com/j/an-deal-site-aggrigator-nodejs/27494103/
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[15:22] knifed: what is most popular nosql database used with node?
[15:23] Aikar: O.o
[15:23] ^rcaskey: holy 1997 netsplit batman
[15:23] Aikar: i take it irccloud just died
[15:23] Aikar: no not netsplit
[15:23] Aikar: a web gateway just died
[15:23] ^rcaskey: irccloud?
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[15:23] ^rcaskey: apparently i'm out of the loop
[15:23] Aikar: some "get on irc from a browser" service
[15:23] Aikar: think of a websocket bridge to an irc network
[15:24] ^rcaskey: sounds great if it worked ;)
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[15:24] ^rcaskey: anyhoo
[15:24] Aikar: your browser communicates to some server that then issues the irc protocol
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[15:24] Aikar: so its a proxy
[15:24] Aikar: and when the proxy dies, everyone disconnects :P
[15:24] ^rcaskey: does memcache count as nosql since it can be backed my mssql?
[15:24] ^rcaskey: err membase
[15:24] ^rcaskey: sorry work and play are colliding in my head!
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[15:25] Sembiance: Anyone have a favorite logging module?
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[15:33] Rushing: so it looks like i'm looking to create more of a "single entry point" package
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[15:42] patrickgamer: is there an IRC command to suppress join/drop messages?
[15:42] tjfontaine: in your client
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[15:46] patrickgamer: :( have to install plugin
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[15:46] tjfontaine: get a real client then like irssi
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[15:52] rynkan: Hi
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[15:54] rynkan: About nodjs, I've installed it on my VPS just for fun, now, as its installed in /opt/node, where does my srccode go? I mean, i guess i can execute my code from where ever but can i have a wwwroot-kind of place?
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[15:54] brianc1: rynkan: you can put your code anywhere. it's totally up to you. I like to put mine at ~/src
[15:55] rynkan: ahh, cool
[15:55] devaholic: put it in your home
[15:55] devaholic: like anything
[15:56] Aikar: mkdir /myapp !
[15:56] rynkan: dont like putting stuff in mye ~/ :)
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[15:57] rynkan: node.js is pretty awesome for someone that has been hacking c/c++ all his life
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[15:58] Rushing: so if i require('package') at any time and then require('package') again at any time, am i getting the same object?
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[15:59] Aikar: Rushing: in most cases yes
[16:00] Aikar: if you have /foo/a/bar
[16:00] Aikar: and /foo/b/bar
[16:00] Aikar: then inside /foo/a/baz do require('bar') youll get /foo/a/bar
[16:00] Aikar: but if you also have /foo/b/blah and do require('bar') youll get /foo/b/bar instead
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[16:01] Aikar: err, putting node_modules after the /a/ and /b/ :P
[16:01] Aikar: so, i have a link for you guys
[16:01] Aikar: this is "not safe for life" (but it is safe for work)
[16:02] Aikar: http://io9.com/5866207/if-the-candyland-illuminati-existed-they-wouldve-directed-this-j+pop-music-video
[16:02] Aikar: enjoy...
[16:02] gripir: not available in germany ... damn it
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[16:07] Aikar: gripir: thats a good thing for you
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[16:08] fransoic: gripir: ??? Germany is not a democratic country ? Internet is filtered ?
[16:09] Aikar: fransoic: youtube video
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[16:09] Aikar: author can set country limitations on their videos
[16:09] Aikar: and democracy really has nothing to do with filtering the internet
[16:09] gripir: fransoic: Germany has problems with copyright law
[16:09] gripir: so a lot of music videos are not available in germany through youtube
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[16:12] tbranyen: sup tjholowaychuk, i'm really close to getting preconditions into backbone routers
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[16:12] tbranyen: except i'm taking a slightly different approach and allowing sync/async or deferrable callabcks
[16:12] fransoic: ok, i see. Aikar: I disagree. A democracy shouldn't filter the internet.
[16:12] tjholowaychuk: nice nice
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[16:13] tbranyen: its such a good idea tho, i <3 the concept
[16:13] Aikar: fransoic: no, a "democracy" does not have anything to do with how it handles censorship
[16:13] Aikar: democracy is a form of government
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[16:13] Aikar: it can filter the internet just the same
[16:14] Aikar: "freedom of speech" is what you mean as rulings for not filtering the net
[16:14] tbranyen: internets.filter(function(internet) { return internet.censor(); }); // done
[16:14] Aikar: you could have a dictatorship government that gives its people "freedom of speech" and unfiltered internet :P
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[16:15] Aikar: though those 2 things never go hand and hand
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[16:15] mr: hi
[16:16] mr: Traceback (most recent call last):   File "/samer/training/Downloads/node-v0.6.5/tools/waf-light", line 157, in <module>     import Scripting   File "/samer/training/Downloads/node-v0.6.5/tools/wafadmin/Scripting.py", line 7, in <module>     import os, sys, shutil, traceback, datetime, inspect, errno ImportError: No module named datetime
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[16:17] mr: hi i have issue at install
[16:17] mr: node.js
[16:17] mr: can any one help me ?
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[16:17] Aikar: thanks for clarifying its a node.js issue :P
[16:18] Aikar: mr: looks like your python install may be messed up
[16:18] Aikar: and missing datetime
[16:18] Aikar: try updating it
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[16:18] mAritz: you sure? i've seen the same issue with people forgetting to boot their database.
[16:18] booyaa: man i really feel for those who don't have homebrew... you'd hope something like gentoo would have a better built rate for nodejs
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[16:20] mr: no my boss want the nodejs
[16:20] mr: only nodejs
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[16:20] mAritz: then give it to him? don't keep it to yourself!
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[16:21] mr: i dont tthink that coz am new employee
[16:21] mAritz: seriously though mr, if you don't tell us what your problem is, we will never be able to help you.
[16:21] mr: ok
[16:21] mAritz: and try to build proper sentences, if you can. :D
[16:21] mr: my proplem
[16:21] mr: is
[16:21] mAritz: NO
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[16:22] Aikar: mr: node.js REQUIRES python to compile
[16:22] mr: Traceback (most recent call last):   File "/samer/training/Downloads/node-v0.6.5/tools/waf-light", line 157, in <module>     import Scripting   File "/samer/training/Downloads/node-v0.6.5/tools/wafadmin/Scripting.py", line 7, in <module>     import os, sys, shutil, traceback, datetime, inspect, errno ImportError: No module named datetime
[16:22] sakkaku: is there a way to get node to log instead of failing silently?  (ex. accessing an array out of bounds)
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[16:22] Aikar: mr: that is a python error, your python is likely too old
[16:23] bnoordhuis: mr: your python is probably ancient
[16:23] mr: no it is 2.7.2
[16:23] baudehlo1: I really hope we can get to the point of building node without python some day.
[16:23] bnoordhuis: mr: then your python is borked, datetime is a core module
[16:23] mr: so ?
[16:24] bnoordhuis: baudehlo1: probably never gonna happen, gyp is python too
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[16:24] bnoordhuis: mr: reread what i said
[16:24] xerox: anybody knows how to add a prefix to connect.static (or express.static) to serve a directory under a /name/ ?
[16:24] bnoordhuis: mr: aloud if it helps
[16:24] mr: ok
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[16:24] xerox: oh I think I found it, dang, every time one asks… :)
[16:24] baudehlo1: bnoordhuis: yeah I understand it's hard work. Would be nice if we had something to bootstrap written in JS though. Just an idle thought though, and I guess it more depends on v8 than on node.
[16:25] bnoordhuis: baudehlo1: it's a chicken and egg problem, what's going to run the bootstrap js?
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[16:26] baudehlo1: bnoordhuis: take Perl for example, it creates something called microperl then miniperl in order to build perl itself.
[16:26] rynkan: w00t can nodejs hande audio?!
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[16:26] TheJH: rynkan, I just created a audio streaming server a few days ago
[16:26] igl: there is 1 "sound" lib
[16:26] igl: and there is webkit audio in the browser now
[16:26] baudehlo1: bnoordhuis: but I am going to shut up about it because it's a HUGE task and likely never going to happen :)
[16:27] TheJH: rynkan, one stream in, several out - but it only works with 8-bit mono PCM WAV
[16:27] rynkan: TheJH: is it at github? ^^
[16:27] TheJH: rynkan, https://github.com/thejh/audionode
[16:27] Rushing: anyone have any tips on dev? like a good IDE or something?
[16:27] rynkan: <3
[16:28] mr: i install python 2.7.2 and 2.6 and 2.5 all of them gave me same error 
[16:28] Epeli: http://mislav.uniqpath.com/2011/12/vim-revisited/
[16:28] TheJH: rynkan, you can listen and even broadcast with a standard linux installation from the commandline (arecord|netcat and netcat|aplay) :D
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[16:28] rynkan: ah thats co cool
[16:28] rynkan: so*
[16:28] ben_alman: is there a way to test to see that a file is text vs binary?
[16:28] ben_alman: (with node)
[16:28] mr: how ?
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[16:29] TheJH: rynkan, next things I want to add are multiple in streams with mixing and compression for the outstream
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[16:29] mr: yes i tested by FTP thay are binary
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[16:30] mr: ben yes i tested by FTP thay are binary
[16:31] tbranyen: mr: he's asking a question, not responding to you ;-)
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[16:31] tbranyen: ben_alman: i was thinking maybe with fs.Stat, but thats not really helpful :-/
[16:31] mr: ok tbranyen
[16:31] ben_alman: heh
[16:32] tbranyen: then i was thinking of shelling out to file command
[16:32] tbranyen: but thats probably not going to help much either
[16:32] bnoordhuis: ben_alman: on unix, all files are binary
[16:32] ben_alman: given character encodings, i'm not sure there's a differene between text and binary
[16:32] ben_alman: yeah
[16:32] mr: can any one help me to install node.js ?
[16:32] mmalecki: there's linguist but it's ruby
[16:32] ben_alman: hmmn.. is there a way to find out if a file is valid UTF-8 ?
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[16:33] bnoordhuis: ben_alman: convert the utf-8 to utf-16 then back and check if the result is identical to the input
[16:34] baudehlo1: iconv -f UTF-8 -t UTF-8 file > /dev/null
[16:34] einaros: ben_alman: or do something like https://github.com/einaros/ws/blob/master/src/validation.cc#L68
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[16:34] qbit_: hola
[16:34] ben_alman: whee
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[16:35] mr: hey i have this issue
[16:35] mr: ImportError: No module named datetime
[16:35] Aikar: why does node require other languages to build, what do other massive projects use to generate pure makefiles w/o other deps?
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[16:36] mr: aikar i tray within python2.7.2
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[16:36] Aikar: mr: reinstall python
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[16:37] Aikar: also try python -v
[16:37] mr: i all read reinstall it
[16:37] Aikar: make sure you dont have multiple versions of python installed
[16:37] Aikar: you may be using old ver even when new is installed
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[16:37] Aikar: try 'which python'
[16:37] mr: ok
[16:38] mr: aikar : /usr/local/bin/python
[16:38] kainosnoema: Interesting problem: How do you reliably pipe a ReadableStream into child_process.spawn, while allowing for the possibility of spawn failure (missing bin, etc)? If you pipe from the ReadableStream immediately, you risk getting an "EPIPE, Broken pipe" error. But if you wait for data on stderr, you lose events from the ReadableStream.
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[16:39] mr: i have only one python 
[16:39] mr: its 2.7.2
[16:39] yenz: kainosnoema: buffer the events?
[16:39] kainosnoema: is that the only solution?
[16:40] mr: the others uninstall them
[16:40] kainosnoema: I've thought of that, but trying to avoid it if possible… working with possibly large chunks of binary data...
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[16:40] mr: aikar
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[16:41] yenz: kainosnoema: smarter people than me may know
[16:41] yenz: that's my only idea :)
[16:41] kainosnoema: okay, thanks!
[16:41] yenz: np :)
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[16:45] mr: have any one an idea about this when install nodejs
[16:45] mr: Traceback (most recent call last):   File "/samer/training/Downloads/node-v0.6.5/tools/waf-light", line 157, in <module>     import Scripting   File "/samer/training/Downloads/node-v0.6.5/tools/wafadmin/Scripting.py", line 7, in <module>     import os, sys, shutil, traceback, datetime, inspect, errno ImportError: No module named datetime
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[16:46] mr: i install huge number of python verison but it dose not work
[16:47] mr: help help
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[16:48] AndreasMadsen: mr: you should ask in a Python channel, you wont get much help here.
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[16:49] tanepiper: yea, either your python hasn't been installed correctly, or datetime doesn't come with your distros version for some reason
[16:49] tanepiper: p. sure datetime is a standard lib for python
[16:50] tanepiper: but #python will be able to help with that
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[16:51] Aikar: mr: type /join #python 
[16:51] Aikar: then they can help you
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[16:53] ioNull: hi, how to make service longtime living
[16:53] ioNull: homebrew js framework?
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[16:54] Aikar: "how to make service longtime" lol
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[16:55] cedeon: Hi all
[16:55] cedeon: Any recommendations for node.js IDE's / setups?
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[16:57] bnoordhuis: cedeon: vim
[16:57] bnoordhuis: people seem to like cloud9 as well
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[16:57] tanepiper: Sublime Text 2
[16:57] cedeon: yeah i use vim, i was thinking more for the debugging side
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[16:58] bnoordhuis: node-inspector or the built-in debugger
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[16:58] tanepiper: +1 for node inspector - tempted to put a bounty out for someone to fix v8-profiler too
[16:58] tanepiper: because i could really do with snapshots and profiling
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[16:59] cedeon: hmm im youtube -ing node inspector now
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[17:00] ioNull: Aikar, is it 'lol' ?
[17:00] AndreasMadsen: cloud9 do node debugging but currently only node 0.4, so you have to use node-inspector. Also cloud9 have jslinting that takes many errors.
[17:01] cedeon: nice thx guys
[17:01] cedeon: node-inspector looks like exactly what i was hoping for and more
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[17:01] ioNull: Aikar, call service multi times is possible, but keep service running is not that easy.. 
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[17:02] bnoordhuis: tanepiper: node-profiler, nprof branch?
[17:02] bnoordhuis: 
ACTION is really really going to put out a new release this month

[17:02] ioNull: Aikar, I've tried 'subscribe' but service still killed after a while.. sorry found this is not #webOS channel..
[17:03] ioNull: lol
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[17:03] zip__: just released node-radius, a pure JS Radius server implemented in Node.js... code level interface for Radius: https://github.com/cobianet/node-radius
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[17:05] CIA-109: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r4c6008f 10/ (13 files in 4 dirs): 
[17:05] CIA-109: libuv: Merge branch 'v0.6'
[17:05] CIA-109: libuv: Conflicts:
[17:05] CIA-109: libuv:  test/test-list.h - http://git.io/AVd0EQ
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[17:09] tanepiper: bnoordhuis: not very well advertised ;)  I was just looking at what node-inspector had.  Does this work with the node-inspector profile tab?
[17:09] bnoordhuis: tanepiper: no, node-profiler is much more low level
[17:10] tanepiper: bnoordhuis: ok, will check it out will probably still help me trace this memory leak
[17:10] bnoordhuis: tanepiper: i should mention that v8 gutted the profiler api in recent releases so node-profiler is not as versatile as it used to be :/
[17:10] tanepiper: oh wait, so is --prof built into node now?
[17:10] eeemsi: hm… the new layout on nodejs does not look good
[17:11] bnoordhuis: tanepiper: always has been, it's a v8 switch
[17:11] eeemsi: i meant nodejs.org
[17:11] mmalecki: eeemsi: refresh
[17:11] tanepiper: bnoordhuis: that's probably why v8-profiler is so broken
[17:11] eeemsi: mmalecki: thx ;)
[17:11] tanepiper: oh, when did the new layout happen?
[17:12] eeemsi: it looks great
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[17:13] eeemsi: what i am missing is what the latest version is on that page
[17:13] tanepiper: bnoordhuis: i saw paul irish talk about the new stuff, so is it a case it's weighted toward more DOM-based profiling now?
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[17:13] eeemsi: solving this in a "popup" is not that cool
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[17:14] bnoordhuis: tanepiper: probably, it won't let you profile separate components (heap, cpu, etc.) anymore
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[17:14] tanepiper: ugh, seriously? that's really what I needed (heap anyway)
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[17:15] tanepiper: well anyway, i take it with --prof that lets node-inspector access the profiler stuff? I don't see how to get access to the data
[17:16] icebox: ryah: nice update!
[17:16] bnoordhuis: tanepiper: --prof writes out a v8.log that you can parse with e.g. nprof
[17:16] bnoordhuis: tanepiper: i don't know if or how node-inspector does that
[17:16] tanepiper: ahh i see now
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[17:20] devaholic: http://nodejs.org/
[17:21] tanepiper: bnoordhuis: sorry to bug, where do i get nprof ?
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[17:21] bnoordhuis: tanepiper: it's part of node-profiler (in the nprof branch anyway)
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[17:21] eeemsi: like i said the page does look great but that "popup" for downloading is annoying
[17:22] tanepiper: gottcha
[17:22] gsmcwhirter: whoa new webpage. nice =)
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[17:28] tanepiper: hmm dunno if this kind of profiling is what I need but I'll give it a try
[17:28] tanepiper: really i need to see what objects are getting held in reference, what's getting GC'ed, what isn't
[17:28] tbranyen: wow that new site is sexy
[17:28] tbranyen: except not at all responsive
[17:28] tbranyen: thats a shame
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[17:29] isaacs: calling all node hacker news sockpuppets! http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3344155
[17:29] cole_gillespie: isaacs, i am almost finished with my npm cleanup cli
[17:29] igl: azure. so?
[17:29] isaacs: cole_gillespie: refresh my memory again?
[17:30] bnoordhuis: isaacs: isn't that old news by now?
[17:30] isaacs: bnoordhuis: it's not old to anyone who isn't a node-core dev :)
[17:30] isaacs: or working at microsoft
[17:30] bnoordhuis: fair point :)
[17:30] cole_gillespie: friday we spoke about the issue with npm where authors incorrectly use .npmignore or just do not use it at all.
[17:30] cole_gillespie: because of that we see a huge amount of overhead sometimes when we npm install
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[17:31] cole_gillespie: so i created a CLI called "sift" that lets you search through your node_modules and see what files are never being used
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[17:31] tanepiper: isaacs: it was a bit obvious months ago :D
[17:31] Glenjamin: define "never"
[17:31] Glenjamin: i like it when modules ship with their unit tests
[17:31] isaacs: tanepiper: sure, but it's also a sign of things to come.  we're in like vb
[17:32] Glenjamin: and i'm in two minds about documentation
[17:32] isaacs: cole_gillespie: i see, interesting.
[17:32] isaacs: cole_gillespie: i'm going to start re-vamping the .npmignore file handling
[17:33] cole_gillespie: isaacs, cool. well i am working on a blog post to explain my rationale behind this cli and how to use it. i will ping you when it is up.
[17:33] isaacs: cole_gillespie: awesome.
[17:33] isaacs: cole_gillespie: also, it's great to see stuff like this getting sort of incubated as standalone programs
[17:33] isaacs: cole_gillespie: rather than having to bake it into npm's guts.
[17:33] isaacs: i fantasize about removing `init` and a few other things
[17:34] cole_gillespie: isaacs, i am really stoked about it actually. i have build in an option to let you visualize your node_modules
[17:34] isaacs: but that's probably just a fantasy :)
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[17:34] isaacs: cole_gillespie: nice
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[17:34] cole_gillespie: isaacs, i have also added a central repo kind of like search.npm except this one is used to expose the worse npm's as far as unused overhead is concerned
[17:35] cole_gillespie: worst*
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[17:36] isaacs: cole_gillespie: oh, you might find this interesting :http://isaacs.iriscouch.com/registry/_design/app/_list/histogram/howBigIsYourPackage/?field=size
[17:36] isaacs: cole_gillespie: field can be size, avg, or count
[17:36] wingie: isn't the best way to boost up load time of an web app to inject js, css and html in the initial html file sent to browser?
[17:37] cole_gillespie: lol, this looks EXACTLY
[17:37] Glenjamin: isaacs: i went to github today to add something about the .gitignore inside modules to discover you'd put the issue in recently, read my mind!
[17:37] cole_gillespie: like what i built
[17:37] isaacs: cole_gillespie: that's not for unused space, just total size.
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[17:38] Glenjamin: cole_gillespie: you mention it tries to get you to remove bits that aren't used, how does it decide>?
[17:38] isaacs: cole_gillespie: every month or so, i go through the top 10 packages on that list and nag people to fix it.
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[17:38] isaacs: cole_gillespie: carto and tilemill are kind of insane.
[17:38] icebox: isaacs: Will it be installed node 0.6 on no.de machine?
[17:38] cole_gillespie: Glenjamin, once i open "sift" up on github and post the blog it will explain all of that
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[17:39] cole_gillespie: Glenjamin, long story short though... regex
[17:39] isaacs: icebox: no
[17:39] isaacs: icebox: it's still on 0.4.12
[17:39] isaacs: icebox: please complain to support@joyent.com
[17:40] icebox: isaacs: ok... I imagine in the forum... thanks
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[17:40] icebox: isaacs: ah no... you gave me the email :)
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[17:40] Glenjamin: cole_gillespie: so for instance i have a module which (in git) has some harness files, acceptance tests in ruby, lib in node, spec in node and docs in markdown
[17:40] isaacs: icebox: or the joyent support forum is fine, too
[17:40] isaacs: same thing
[17:40] ryah: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3344171
[17:41] Glenjamin: and when i npm it, it include some of the harnesses, lib and spec
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[17:42] isaacs: cole_gillespie: i think Glenjamin has a good point.  you often *do* want packages to include their test stuff, especially if you run tests on installation.
[17:42] wiwillia: ping devaholic - fixed the login for you, you can now set it up
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[17:43] devaholic: wiwillia, just worked 
[17:43] Glenjamin: i include my node unit tests in the package, but not my cucumber/aruba black-box ones
[17:44] wiwillia: devaholic cool - we'll trasnfer the t-shrit campaign to your account
[17:44] brianc1: ryah:  looks gooooooood <3
[17:44] wiwillia: devaholic do you like the look?
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[17:44] cole_gillespie: right, it is not a one cli command answer here. different packages will require different sift options depending on how you want to resize your node_modules. the idea here is to expose what modules need to be cleaned and why the need to be cleaned and then gives you the option to clean them as you wish
[17:44] devaholic: I do
[17:45] kenperkins: bleh
[17:45] kenperkins: 
ACTION doesn't like the new grown up website

[17:45] wingie: you shoud place the links on top 
[17:45] wingie: instead of hiding them in the bottom
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[17:45] devaholic: wiwillia, very nice :)
[17:46] kenperkins: I feel like the priority of the new site is not optimized for developers :P
[17:46] wiwillia: devaholic glad you like it - the node.js campaign show up?
[17:46] cole_gillespie: Glenjamin, isaacs for me going through my node_modules and cleaning out the unused muck was a process that took about 3 hours. sift is a way for me to minimize the time it takes for me to analyze what is really happening inside of the node_modules folder
[17:46] isaacs: cole_gillespie: sure, i think it's probably a handy util to help find stuff when you've got an issue
[17:46] Glenjamin: cole_gillespie: in this scenario, is your node modules folder in version control?
[17:46] isaacs: cole_gillespie: but not something you probably would want to be automatic
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[17:46] Glenjamin: or do you mean you've got a load of dependencies that you may or may not be using
[17:47] Glenjamin: wingie: i agree wrt to the menu
[17:47] devaholic: wiwillia, yep
[17:48] devaholic: wiwillia, that "end" button is scary
[17:48] wiwillia: I think it has confirmation
[17:48] wiwillia: try it
[17:48] cole_gillespie: isaacs, absolutely but i would like to have the option to do both
[17:48] wiwillia: deveaholic: no one click disasters :)
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[17:48] devaholic: smooth
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[17:49] wiwillia: devaholic for the sake of research, anything you don't like?
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[17:50] cole_gillespie: Glenjamin, can you explain what you mean by version control? in this scenario i have a project that has a node_modules folder where all my modules are housed. 
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[17:52] cole_gillespie: Glenjamin, the project folder that contains my node_modules folder is version controlled but i always set .gitignore in the project folder to ignore node_modules
[17:52] cole_gillespie: Glenjamin, so i guess the answer to you question is no
[17:52] Glenjamin: cole_gillespie: yeah, so is the idea of the tool to identify stuff specified in package.json which isn't used?
[17:53] Glenjamin: which is different, but similar, to the issue of too many unnecessary files inside an npm package
[17:53] Glenjamin: ryah: looks snappy, but the nav is rather hidden
[17:54] tbranyen: does this mean node.js is ready for enterprise now?
[17:54] Glenjamin: what does that mean?
[17:54] isaacs: tbranyen: it's embassy class!!
[17:54] devaholic: wiwillia, just the end link at first ;) it does look good!
[17:54] isaacs: GALAXY class!
[17:55] Glenjamin: our tests pass, our graphs show that throughput is high enough, we're an enterprise
[17:55] tbranyen: ^_^
[17:55] jocafa: just played with windows 8 for the first time.  i need serious therapy now.
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[17:56] tbranyen: ha why?
[17:56] tbranyen: i used it and found the touch interface to be very responsive
[17:57] tbranyen: like scary responsive
[17:57] cole_gillespie: Glenjamin, package.json is where i start to identify the modules for a given project, but you can not base all of your assumptions on what packages are being used from the package.json. I start by looking at the main and libs for a given package and then determining what is being used from there.
[17:57] Glenjamin: you should be able to "rm -rf node_modules && npm install", and have everything still work
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[17:58] cole_gillespie: yes, of course
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[17:59] Glenjamin: i'm just trying to understand what problem it is you're solving
[17:59] cole_gillespie: ok, let me explain differently
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[17:59] cole_gillespie: Glenjamin: create a new project
[18:00] cole_gillespie: Glenjamin: npm install a lot of dependencies
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[18:01] cole_gillespie: Glenjamin: you notice that your disc is running out of space and then see that a lot of the space is being taken up by node_module folders
[18:01] cole_gillespie: Glenjamin: start to delete unused files inside of node_modules so you can clean up disk space
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[18:02] Glenjamin: ah ok, the solution is to never "npm install <package>" when it's a dependency - always add to package.json then use "npm install"
[18:02] isaacs: Glenjamin: or npm install blah -S
[18:02] isaacs: or --save
[18:02] isaacs: (-s was taken, and means --silent)
[18:02] Aikar: npm sinstall!
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[18:03] Glenjamin: isaacs: oh cool, didn't know about that
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[18:03] cole_gillespie: Glenjamin, but how would that change the fact that the package that is being pulled into my node_modules folder still contains files that are not needed for core functionality?
[18:04] Aikar: cole_gillespie: contact the package owner if they are putting dev deps under deps
[18:04] cole_gillespie: Aikar, but they might have a great reason to put those files there
[18:04] cole_gillespie: for tests
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[18:04] cole_gillespie: and for people to learn if they install things they have never used
[18:04] Aikar: cole_gillespie: yes, 'devDependencies' is a seperate section needed only for testing
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[18:05] Glenjamin: and documentation doesn't belong in the package imo
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[18:05] Aikar: i disagree
[18:05] Aikar: doc is light
[18:05] Glenjamin: depends what type
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[18:05] cole_gillespie: Aikar, this is why i am creating something that will expose the greatest offenders
[18:05] Glenjamin: for instance, build API docs
[18:05] Glenjamin: cole_gillespie: oh, i see now - it'd produce stats for the worst offending packages
[18:05] cole_gillespie: i am not going to take the time to contact every AUTHOR of some package that i am using and say "please delete this file"
[18:06] Glenjamin: fork + pull request :)
[18:06] Glenjamin: i think i've had to submit changes upstream for about 50% of all node module i've used :D
[18:06] Aikar: isaacs: what do you think about setting up npm test to install dev deps to /tmp and set NODE_PATH before executing to include it, so that dev deps dont land in your project folder?
[18:08] Aikar: maybe /tmp/hash_of_file_path/ so it always ends up in same location (and reduce installing every time you npm test)
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[18:08] isaacs: Aikar: that sounds complicated
[18:08] Aikar: isaacs: why? seems fairly trivial to me
[18:09] isaacs: Aikar: it sounds more trivial than it is
[18:09] Aikar: CWD before installing dev deps, then include the path in NODE_PATH
[18:09] isaacs: Aikar: build it as a standalone program.
[18:09] isaacs: Aikar: that shouldn't go in npm.
[18:09] isaacs: Aikar: if you do `npm install`, it'll already install dev deps.  then if you do `npm test`, it'll just work.
[18:09] isaacs: what's the harm in having them there?
[18:10] Aikar: because not everyone follows the standard of "SCM ignore node_modules"
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[18:10] Aikar: so devDeps are useless to me, as they end up in my scm/packages
[18:10] isaacs: Aikar: in fact, not only is that not a standard, many node developers encourage adding node_modules to git for any deployable package.
[18:10] Aikar: sorry didnt mean as a "real standard"
[18:10] Aikar: i guess i meant "practice" :P
[18:10] isaacs: many node developers includes, at least, me, mikeal, JasonSmith, etc.
[18:11] isaacs: right
[18:11] mmalecki: attention, nerdfight begins!
[18:11] isaacs: but i mean, it's not actually a good practice
[18:11] isaacs: if you're deploying something, you should absolutely add node_modules to git, and put the devdeps on your staging and production servers so that you can run tests prior to switching to the new code.
[18:11] Aikar: so npm install foo installs foos devdeps too?
[18:11] tbranyen: isaacs: i still don't get how thats supposed to work with native modules
[18:11] isaacs: Aikar: no
[18:11] isaacs: tbranyen: run `npm rebuild`
[18:11] isaacs: tbranyen: it rebuilds all your deps that have a pre/post/install script
[18:11] Aikar: thats what i mean tho, if i do npm install foo, cd node_modules/foo, npm test, now i have my proj littered
[18:12] tbranyen: isaacs: oh slick
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[18:12] stephank: Heh, no Joyent on the new nodejs.org? I'm a bit surprised. :B
[18:12] Glenjamin: isaacs: would you not do "npm install" as part of the process which builds the package to deploy to test/staging?
[18:12] isaacs: Glenjamin: that's a complicated question, but in general, no.
[18:12] tbranyen: stephank: huh they are on the bottom
[18:12] stephank: tbranyen: well yes, but: *scroll scroll scroll*
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[18:13] tbranyen: stephank: ...
[18:13] Aikar: Glenjamin: I personally only use npm as a way to install modules for first time then update them
[18:13] Glenjamin: so at the moment we're droping deps into git, but i kinda feel like bundling deps should be a deploy step, alongside bundling/minifying frontend JS etc
[18:13] isaacs: Glenjamin: we've gone around on this a bit, and it hink the pattern we're seeing that works best is to deploy from a git sha or tag, since that's reproducible
[18:13] stephank: tbranyen: Would've expected a mention in the "in the industry" section, not that I mind.
[18:13] Aikar: then check them into SCM, so other devs can just checkout the project and have all the code, regardless of the state of npm and their dev env
[18:13] isaacs: for *libraries* and modules like that, that you publish to the npm registry, bundling is usually hazardous.
[18:14] isaacs: so are strict dependency versions.
[18:14] isaacs: better to be a little loose.
[18:14] Glenjamin: isaacs: we have a build task on jenkins which runs some code which creates a tag, then builds a package from that and tars it up for distribution
[18:14] isaacs: ok
[18:14] isaacs: Glenjamin: if that does `npm install` as part of its process, you can get literally anything as a result.  deploy processes should be exactly reproducible.
[18:15] isaacs: git is the tool for that.
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[18:15] isaacs: npm can be a part of that, but `npm install` is not reproducible-safe
[18:15] Aikar: strongly agreed, when i deploy i want to have EXACTLY the code thats been tested
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[18:15] Glenjamin: it currently doesn't, but i was thinking about doing it - thats a good point I hadn't considered
[18:15] isaacs: of course, you still probably want to use npm to do stuff locally.
[18:15] cole_gillespie: Aikar, Glenjamin, isaacs  there are many answers to the issue of understanding what is at the core of a node package. Really, it varies considerably from package to package. I just wanted a way to understand the (required) guts of my node_modules. I wanted to be able to see which packages take up the most space as well as understand what files in those packages are used an unused. The problem I am trying to solve is really simple. U
[18:15] cole_gillespie: nderstand my packages and easily rearrange or reconfigure them as i need as quickly and efficiently as possible without error.
[18:15] isaacs: install things, test things, etc.
[18:16] isaacs: cole_gillespie: a noble ambition :)
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[18:16] Aikar: isaacs: why does 'npm install' install dev deps?
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[18:16] Glenjamin: so even with exact dependecy versions for an app, a forced update could potentially change what a package is?
[18:16] isaacs: Aikar: because when you're local, you need to be testing, and test stuff is in dev deps.
[18:16] isaacs: Aikar: it's a development tool
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[18:16] isaacs: Glenjamin: yes.
[18:17] isaacs: Glenjamin: a) those deps might not have exact version deps, b) npm publish --force can change them anyway
[18:17] Aikar: i just think having a standard of 'npm test' to test stuff would be ideal and not install packages unexpectedly
[18:17] mmalecki: isaacs: and what should we do if a package is deployable but should be also a module?
[18:17] Glenjamin: i hadn't considered that, good point
[18:17] mmalecki: like haibu.
[18:17] isaacs: Aikar: npm test doesn't install stuff.  npm install does.
[18:17] Glenjamin: mmalecki: split it?
[18:17] isaacs: mmalecki: i dunno.  trade-offs, i guess :)
[18:17] mmalecki: isaacs: this is hard!
[18:18] Glenjamin: i wish more people would use npm test, i can never figure out if "make" is going to build or run tests
[18:18] isaacs: mmalecki: hahah.  if there's another module besides haibu, i'll maybe consider it a use-case.  otherwise, it's an edge-case.
[18:18] isaacs: Glenjamin: sometimes both!
[18:18] mmalecki: isaacs: well, haibu-carapace :)
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[18:19] mmalecki: isaacs: but well, deployment is hard. but I'm not really the deployment guy :)
[18:19] mmalecki: isaacs: oh, actually, wanted to ask, what does joyent use to keep node processes alive? forever or something else?
[18:20] isaacs: mmalecki: SMF
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[18:20] isaacs: mmalecki: it's built into the operating system.
[18:20] shedinja: is there a way to make a function print something else instead of [Function] when printed to the console? something like toString
[18:20] isaacs: mmalecki: lots of xml, plenty to complain about in the api, but it's incredibly stable and battle-tested
[18:20] Glenjamin: shedinja: call .toString() on it
[18:20] mmalecki: isaacs: ok, thanks! :)
[18:20] isaacs: shedinja: do this in the repl: Function.prototype.inspect = Function.prototype.toString
[18:20] isaacs: shedinja: then it'll do that :)
[18:21] mmalecki: isaacs: I'm wondering if people actually use forever daemon so I'm doing some polls around it :)
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[18:21] Glenjamin: mmalecki: we use supervisord here
[18:21] isaacs: shedinja: i like this, too:  Function.prototype.inspect = function () { return this.toString().split(/\n/)[0] }
[18:21] isaacs: shedinja: then you just see the name and args.
[18:21] Glenjamin: here being skybet.com
[18:21] mmalecki: Glenjamin: python? nice
[18:21] Glenjamin: which i think i'm allowed to say
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[18:26] shedinja: isaacs:  
[18:26] shedinja: oops
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[18:28] shedinja: issacs: thanks but i'm looking for a way to use new String('foo') without it being displayed as { '0': 'f', '1': 'o', '2': 'o' } in the console. but I'm not sure if it matters anyway because these strings are not meant to be used for the console
[18:29] isaacs: shedinja: i'd avoid using `new String('foo')`.  that's one of javascript's bad parts
[18:29] isaacs: shedinja: better to jus use 'foo'
[18:29] isaacs: shedinja: otherwise typeof and whatnot gets all messed up.  strings should be strings
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[18:29] pkrumins: rauchg: your website devthought.com is down!
[18:30] pkrumins: rauchg: blogging about socket.io today, and i linked to your site.
[18:30] pkrumins: node.js modules you should know about: socket.io!
[18:30] creationix: pkrumins: works for me
[18:30] pkrumins: 502 Bad Gateway
[18:30] `3rdEden: after the dig effect we now have pkrumins effect?
[18:30] pkrumins: getting this
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[18:30] `3rdEden: same
[18:30] `3rdEden: nginx/0.8.54
[18:30] pkrumins: yep
[18:31] creationix: nevermind, it's dead
[18:31] shedinja: isaacs: I hadn't considered typeof. I haven't used new String() yet but I was considering it because I want to add some sugar syntax like marak's colors.js module
[18:31] `3rdEden: rauchg your nginx is also out of date ;)
[18:31] rauchg: damn
[18:31] rauchg: that tiny instance
[18:31] rauchg: is effed
[18:31] Glenjamin: shedinja: can you pastbin/gist an example where new String is useful
[18:31] rauchg: rebooting
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[18:31] rauchg: pkrumins: thanks for letting me know
[18:32] pkrumins: awesome
[18:32] shedinja: Glenjamin: new Stringj() makes an object, you can add properties to it
[18:32] benvie: oh look a new website
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[18:33] isaacs: shedinja: if you add stuff to STring.prototype, you can just do "foo".whatever()
[18:33] isaacs: shedinja: you don't ever need to call new String()
[18:33] Glenjamin: ah, i see what you mean
[18:33] isaacs: shedinja: it's wrong in any situation.
[18:33] Glenjamin: methods on a single instance only
[18:33] benvie: just call string itself without the new part
[18:33] `3rdEden: Can someone opensource the  node.js website ;$?
[18:34] benvie: constructors are reqiured to return instances of objects
[18:34] isaacs: `3rdEden: it's in the node repo, under doc/
[18:34] `3rdEden: isaacs it's a different site =/
[18:34] benvie: String(someval) isn't a constructor though so it does the job
[18:34] `3rdEden: unless it's checked out in a different branch then master
[18:35] Glenjamin: benvie: the problem is he wants an object that can have properties attached, but would want typeof  to return string
[18:35] Glenjamin: although i cant think of a case where you should typeof x === 'string'
[18:35] isaacs: `3rdEden: v0.6 branch
[18:35] benvie: mm
[18:35] shedinja: isaacs: is there a way to choose what strings get their prototypes changed?
[18:35] `3rdEden: isaacs ty <3!
[18:35] isaacs: Glenjamin: i use that a lot
[18:35] Glenjamin: its almost always better to duck type and fall back to the assumtion of string, no?
[18:35] isaacs: Glenjamin: typeof x === "string" is pretty common, actually
[18:35] isaacs: Glenjamin: not always.
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[18:35] benvie: you can use Object.prototyp.toString in place of typeof, if you want to get the same result testing strings that are wrapped or unwrapped
[18:35] isaacs: Glenjamin: duck-typing for string-ness is prety weird.
[18:36] Glenjamin: hrm, got an example handy?
[18:36] benvie: [object String]
[18:36] Glenjamin: isaacs: i mean duck-type for non-string, else assume toString() is useful
[18:36] isaacs: Glenjamin: in the npm repo, run this: git grep typeof | grep '"string"'
[18:36] Glenjamin: although string vs iterable is a tricky one usually
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[18:37] benvie: how bout this: String.prototype.toString.call(someVar) will throw an error for anything besides a string object or primitive
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[18:39] benvie: I redid most of node's inspect stuff this weekend for something so got to spend some quality time with formatting stuff
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[18:40] Glenjamin: isaacs: i don't think duck typing these cases would lose/break anything
[18:40] Glenjamin: i guess its personal taste
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[18:42] isaacs: Glenjamin: in most of those cases, i'm concerned with whether it's an object or a string.
[18:42] isaacs: Glenjamin: or, in some, an array or a string
[18:42] isaacs: Glenjamin: or in some, a funciton or a string
[18:42] isaacs: all of which will happily give me the function contents, or [object Object] if i poke at them in stringly ways.
[18:42] isaacs: typeof is good.  ti's fast, doesn't require any object-casting, handles unknown references, etc.
[18:43] isaacs: it's a nice language feature.  you shouldn't be afraid of it.
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[18:43] benvie: Function.prototype.call.bind(Object.prototype.toString) is slower but it's definitely got the most specific output
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[18:45] isaacs: benvie: `typeof x == 'string'` will only ever return true for actual strings.
[18:45] isaacs: benvie: of course, typeof new String("X") === "object"
[18:45] benvie: oh yeah most of the time I'd use typeof for strings
[18:45] isaacs: hence why "new String" is a bad part.
[18:45] benvie: definitely
[18:45] benvie: er all the time for strings
[18:45] benvie: getClass for other wild and wooly things
[18:46] isaacs: sure
[18:46] isaacs: instanceof is also nice.
[18:46] benvie: typeof string is about as fast as it comes
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[18:46] Glenjamin: isaacs: my personal preference would be something like this: https://github.com/glenjamin/npm/commit/18e1fbcfc5da18a37b8547b2d945178208281606
[18:46] isaacs: people fear it too much
[18:46] Glenjamin: thats what i mean by trying to duck type and falling back to tostring
[18:46] benvie: weird
[18:47] isaacs: Glenjamin: meh.
[18:47] Glenjamin: i typeof === 'function' all the time
[18:47] Glenjamin: not hugely different, but means you can pass string-like things if the mood takes you
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[18:47] isaacs: Glenjamin: that is a indent error, though, thanks for finding it :)
[18:47] benvie: hah
[18:47] Glenjamin: haha, completely at random
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[18:51] Rushing: is there a way to get the current "package" of the module you're working in?
[18:51] kenperkins: does node 0.6 cluster support insitu reloading like the cluster module used to
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[18:51] Glenjamin: Rushing: module.parent might be helpful?
[18:51] Rushing: say you're in /lib/Fun.js and you want the module info for /index.js
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[19:02] Sample: I have this SUPER simple example in which I'm trying to use 'http' but I can't for the life of me figure out why the 'data' event isn't being triggered... http://jsfiddle.net/sjmhT/
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[19:03] Sample: it's actually only triggered if i set enctype="multipart/form-data", but that should be for binary data. and it just gives this meaningless string. i'm only attempting to submit plaintext data via post and retrieve it
[19:03] Sample: enctype on the form of course
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[19:05] cole_gillespie: Sample have you tried using express?
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[19:07] cole_gillespie: might save your some headaches
[19:07] cole_gillespie: http://expressjs.com/guide.html#http-methods
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[19:11] weissmag: npm only works with root
[19:11] weissmag: heve anyone encontered that ?
[19:11] isaacs: weissmag: npm should work no matter who you are.
[19:11] isaacs: weissmag: gist?
[19:12] isaacs: what're you doing, what's not working?
[19:13] weissmag: when used with my regular user, it has very strange complaints like:
[19:14] weissmag: npm ERR! error installing request@2.2.9 Error: ENOENT, no such file or directory ...
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[19:14] weissmag: but the directory specified is does exist
[19:14] jerrysv: isaacs: i was running into something similar, npm that shipped with, i think, 0.6.3 was borked
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[19:22] Sembiance: Anyone have a testing module they really love?
[19:22] baudehlo1: node-tap is pretty decent
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[19:23] Sembiance: checking it out...
[19:23] jerrysv: Sembiance: i'm a fan of vows
[19:23] Sembiance: jerrysv: will check that out too, thanks :)
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[19:39] isaacs: jerrysv: yes, 0.6.5 is much improved
[19:39] isaacs: 0.6.6 will be even better :)
[19:39] tbranyen: can't wait for 6.6.6
[19:39] tbranyen: isaacs: i demand a new site per release
[19:40] igl: will there be a 1.0 party? :P
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[19:41] weissmag: hi
[19:41] jerrysv: 6.6.6 will be awesome
[19:41] weissmag: can i print node version from the code ?
[19:41] CIA-109: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07isolates * r4c1fcc6 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): isolates: replace SLIST with ngx_queue_t - http://git.io/CICSrw
[19:41] CIA-109: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07isolates * rc5f8f77 10/ (105 files in 13 dirs): deps: bundle libatomic_ops - http://git.io/LA_eeQ
[19:41] CIA-109: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07isolates * rda827a4 10/ (node.gyp deps/atomic_ops/atomic_ops.gyp): deps: add atomic_ops.gyp - http://git.io/TojcPw
[19:41] CIA-109: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07isolates * r97d6a63 10/ src/node.cc : isolates: use atomic ops for the thread ID counter - http://git.io/9XjhbQ
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[19:43] kenperkins: repeat: does node 0.6 cluster support in-situ reloading like the cluster module used to
[19:44] igl: hot reloads the module on change? no
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[19:45] igl: you can kill() and fork() the children to reload, but the master will stay the same
[19:45] jocafa: where's that crazy tjholowaychuk kid when you need him?
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[19:47] CIA-109: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07isolates * r6192ca2 10/ src/node.cc : isolates: use atomic ops for the thread ID counter - http://git.io/gi3Qtw
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[19:53] PHPTroll: damn timeouts are really efficient
[19:54] PHPTroll: I set 2 million random settimeouts and cpu hovered at around 1%
[19:54] kenperkins: igl: didn't the cluster module enable the reload in place scenario
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[19:58] AndreasMadsen: Kenperkins: could you write a message to me on GitHub an explain this in more detail. I'm currently writing the native cluster 2.0 to node 0.7+, but don't have time right now.
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[19:58] AndreasMadsen: To talk
[19:58] bradleymeck: just noticed, npm bundled with 0.6.x overwrites installed npms is there any way to have it restored / living side by side easily?
[19:59] kenperkins: AndreasMadsen: sure thing, thanks for the heads up
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[20:00] doki_pen: does anyone know of a library that sanitizes jsonp callback names?
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[20:00] Aikar: doki_pen: name.replace(/[^a-zA-Z0-9]/g,'')
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[20:08] doki_pen: Aikar: you don't worry about keywords?
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[20:09] Sample: I always get the answer "have you tried using express" but I'd much rather understand the basics before I venture into an abstraction... but I'd really like to understand this via pure node. this seems like an extremely simplistic bit of code and functionality (get post data) I'm baffled why I'm unable to receive answers: http://jsfiddle.net/sjmhT/
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[20:09] Sample: "but I'd" x2
[20:09] Aikar: doki_pen: if (typeof window[fnname] === 'function') { window[fnname](data); }
[20:10] Aikar: doki_pen: that kind of check would be smart to do for JSONP
[20:10] Aikar: so they wouldnt be able to create the function in the first place if it was a reserved word
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[20:10] doki_pen: Aikar: thanks
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[20:11] Aikar: so you wouldnt even really need to 'sanitize' the name
[20:11] Aikar: just do that simple if check
[20:11] Aikar: if it passes true, they passed a legit fn name
[20:11] Aikar: and always wrap it in a try/catch
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[20:12] Aikar: even though, its running on their site so i guess you dont really care
[20:12] Aikar: so prolly best to let it bleed through
[20:12] cole_gillespie: Aikar, you located in raleigh/
[20:12] cole_gillespie: ?
[20:12] Aikar: cole_gillespie: yep
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[20:13] cole_gillespie: ha! i think i have seen you at trianglejs
[20:13] Aikar: lol
[20:13] cole_gillespie: thats awesome
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[20:13] Aikar: i havent been lately, alot of family stuff (father just passed), but ima try to get back on track
[20:13] Aikar: im the big guy who works at iContact :P
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[20:13] Aikar: im usually too lazy to go to non icontact meetups
[20:14] gsmcwhirter: sample, what is the issue?
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[20:14] cole_gillespie: Aikar: you were at the one where i was showing popcornjs
[20:14] Aikar: ah yeaj
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[20:14] Sample: gsmcwhirter: 'data' event is never triggered
[20:15] Sample: only on form enctype="multipart/form-data", which both isnt the default and should only be for binary
[20:15] Sample: try it yourself
[20:15] ccallahan: Hi! I have two questions. Say if I wanted to read JSON from some text given in on a website, how could I isolate only the JSON. The text before the JSON always is the same.
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[20:15] Aikar: hopefully one day one of my things will be polished enough id feel comfortable showing at TJS
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[20:15] sechrist: substr and indexOf?
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[20:16] alcuadrado: Hi, I have a mongoose question
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[20:16] alcuadrado: can't I define methods that all model instances would have?
[20:16] pkrumins: Just published the article about socket.io called "Node.js modules you should know about: socket.io" -- http://www.catonmat.net/blog/nodejs-modules-socketio/
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[20:16] pkrumins: rauchg ^^
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[20:17] ccallahan: sechrist: Was that for me?
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[20:18] sechrist: if the text is always the same, substr the string from that position
[20:18] sechrist: unless you don't know the end of the json
[20:18] ccallahan: Ahh, okay.
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[20:18] Sample: pkrumins: did you write your blog framework? o.O
[20:18] tbranyen: i did
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[20:19] pkrumins: Sample: sure
[20:20] Sample: in node?
[20:20] Aikar: pkrumins: socket.io just has got to your list? :P
[20:20] pkrumins: Sample: nope, in Python
[20:20] Sample: pkrumins: document db?
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[20:20] pkrumins: Sample: werkzeug, sqlalchemy, mako and pygments
[20:21] pkrumins: Aikar: i can only do 1 at a time
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[20:21] Aikar: pkrumins: quit your day job, blog for a living!
[20:21] Aikar: works for some people :P
[20:21] pkrumins: Aikar: I already do
[20:21] Aikar: lol
[20:21] pkrumins: Minus I am doing a startup
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[20:21] Sample: im so surprised i am unable to receive help for my most basic of questions hah
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[20:22] Aikar: i was getting traffic to my blog posts i just havent had time to write... and i also suck at engrish! and AdSense just doesnt cut it ;(
[20:22] tbranyen: Sample: really? i'm not surprised at all
[20:22] tbranyen: its the way she goes
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[20:22] Sample: im like 2 days into node
[20:22] Sample: and am asking about 'http' from the basic docs
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[20:22] Aikar: Sample: so whats your super simple problem?
[20:22] Sample: and the only answes i get are "we have no idea, use express? question mark question mark"
[20:23] Sample: pasting from above..
[20:23] Sample: I always get the answer "have you tried using express" but I'd much rather understand the basics before I venture into an abstraction... I'd really like to understand this via pure node. this seems like an extremely simplistic bit of code and functionality (get post data) I'm baffled why I'm unable to receive answers: http://jsfiddle.net/sjmhT/
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[20:23] Sample: (gsmcwhirter) sample, what is the issue? | (Sample) gsmcwhirter: 'data' event is never triggered | (Sample) only on form enctype="multipart/form-data", which both isnt the default and should only be for binary | (Sample) try it yourself
[20:24] aaronfay: Having an issue with the 0.6.5 msi on Win7 32, install fails with "unexpected error 2755" which suggests a connection issue.  Anyone else have this experience?
[20:24] Aikar: cole_gillespie: note i never use twitter, http://gplus.to/aikar and http://facebook.com/aikar (subscribe onry, I keep FB friends to strict guidelines ie family/RL friends) if you actually wanna see my posts some :P
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[20:24] gsmcwhirter: Sample: I am playing around with it, but tbh, I use express for most anything I write, so it is a bit hard.
[20:24] Sample: haha
[20:25] Sample: yeah
[20:25] Sample: thanks though
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[20:27] gsmcwhirter: Sample: take a look at https://github.com/senchalabs/connect/blob/master/lib/middleware/urlencoded.js perhaps
[20:27] gsmcwhirter: that is a middleware for how connect does it
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[20:28] Sample: i do find this situation funny though. im baffling the community with my http introductory question about how to get post data, lol
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[20:29] Sample: as an aside, i just looked at aikar and pkrumins page, its kind of a weird feeling to see the faces behind irc people
[20:30] jesusabdullah: Getting post data usually involves buffering at least one request and then parsing the results using whatever decoder's appropriate
[20:30] Aikar: lol
[20:30] jesusabdullah: *shrug*
[20:30] jesusabdullah: You use an abstraction because it's a non-trivial process
[20:31] Sample: here's the photo from my twitter: http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/22327472/Copy_of_back2future_ed2.jpg
[20:31] Sample: =D
[20:32] Aikar: lol, all i see is colors and sunglasses :P
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[20:32] Sample: its my steez =P
[20:33] Sembiance: When I do 'npm ls' I the ascii tree symbols are all gibberish.  Yet other commands like `tree` show the tree-like ascii symbols just fine. Any ideas? (linux)
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[20:33] CIA-109: libuv: 03Igor Zinkovsky 07v0.6 * r4e99cd4 10/ src/win/tcp.c : windows: fix memory leak when non-zero tcp reads are used - http://git.io/kCMgfg
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[20:35] caioketo: jetienne
[20:35] jetienne: caioketo: yes ? :)
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[20:35] caioketo: There is someway to deal with UDP in websockets, or other js stuff?
[20:36] TheJH: cainus, websockets work over TCP
[20:36] TheJH: erm
[20:36] TheJH: caioketo, ^
[20:36] jetienne: caioketo: as he said :)
[20:36] jetienne: caioketo: you can do you own packets on top tho
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[20:37] TheJH: caioketo, if you need real UDP in the browser, flash or java might work :D
[20:37] TheJH: 
ACTION hides quickly

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[20:37] caioketo: yeah, but i want to avoid these 2....
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[20:37] caioketo: there is no framework in js for that??
[20:37] caioketo: =/
[20:37] TheJH: caioketo, why UDP?
[20:37] caioketo: just client
[20:38] TheJH: caioketo, you can do UDP in node, but not in the browser
[20:38] caioketo: for more real time
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[20:39] caioketo: as they say, for fps, action game, u need real time, so tcp is not good enough
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[20:39] jetienne: caioketo: try
[20:39] nbaldwin: that's not necessarily an issue of latency though
[20:40] jetienne: caioketo: i got 34ms ping latency over websocket
[20:40] nbaldwin: thats more ordering and delivery assurance
[20:40] scooteronce: Hey has anyone here ever tried to cancel a file upload here in the middle of uploading images?
[20:40] nbaldwin: many packets in an action game are safe to discard and fill in the gaps using interpolation
[20:41] caioketo: how many packet per seconds?
[20:41] caioketo: how can I use interpolation?
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[20:42] jetienne: caioketo: avoid premature optimisation
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[20:42] nbaldwin: interpolation is a strategy employed with UDP to deal with the issue if dropped packets
[20:42] jetienne: caioketo: 34ms is way enougth for fps. 
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[20:42] nbaldwin: no need for interpolation with TCP except for situations of extremely high latency
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[20:43] caioketo: humm, so in theory it will be almost the same?
[20:43] jetienne: no matter what you think of tcp or udp, udp isnt available in the browser :)
[20:43] nbaldwin: exactly
[20:43] nbaldwin: you
[20:43] nbaldwin: you're better off coming up with a strategy that works with TCP
[20:43] caioketo: but my game will have another client for windows
[20:43] PHPTroll: do browsers set tcpnodelay when using websockets?
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[20:44] caioketo: ok, i guess i need to go back to my "proxy" server =D
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[20:46] nbaldwin: PHPTroll: depends on the user agent
[20:47] Aikar: trying to write a 'real' game and also trying to support IE is retarded
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[20:47] eddyb: yeah
[20:47] eddyb: use chrome frame
[20:47] eddyb: profit :)
[20:47] nbaldwin: If I was making a game today that had a windows client and also a web presense
[20:47] Aikar: kids are the main target of games
[20:47] nbaldwin: I'd just use Unity
[20:47] Aikar: if a kid wants to play yuor game, theyll do what they need to do to play it
[20:47] tbranyen: nbaldwin: and not flash?
[20:47] Aikar: hince: they click yes on viruses
[20:47] PHPTroll: chrome native client ought to have udp doesnt it?
[20:47] tbranyen: unreal engine
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[20:47] nbaldwin: if my game had a windows client as well as a web client? absolutely
[20:48] creationix: mikeal: ping
[20:48] tbranyen: PHPTroll: urgh that kills me about client side, no udp
[20:48] Aikar: so just tell them 'do this to play' if they come in on IE, theyll do it
[20:48] mikeal: pogn
[20:48] mikeal: pong
[20:48] eddyb: as I said
[20:48] eddyb: chrome frame
[20:48] eddyb: it's enough
[20:48] mikeal: creationix: hello :)
[20:48] creationix: mikeal: if you had full reign over what the http client api looked like in node core, what would it look like
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[20:48] mikeal: the client API is fine
[20:48] creationix: I'm doing one for luvit
[20:48] Aikar: "<mikeal> request"
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[20:48] nbaldwin: chrome frame isnt enough to get UDP support on the client
[20:49] mikeal: the stuff that request does doesn't belong in core
[20:49] creationix: so request that takes a object of options is good?
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[20:49] mikeal: yes
[20:49] mikeal: that's been a godsend for writing an abstraction
[20:49] creationix: mikeal: thanks
[20:49] eddyb: luvit?
[20:49] Sample: I have this SUPER SIMPLE example in which I'm trying to use 'http' but I can't for the life of me figure out why the 'data' event isn't being triggered... http://jsfiddle.net/sjmhT/
[20:49] creationix: eddyb: node in lua
[20:49] mikeal: the real problem right now is the server API
[20:49] Sample: it's actually only triggered if i set enctype="multipart/form-data" on the form, but that should be for binary data. and it just gives this meaningless string. i'm only attempting to submit plaintext data via post and retrieve it
[20:49] creationix: helps me keep up to date with libuv
[20:50] mikeal: ServerRepsonse is  a mess
[20:50] creationix: mikeal: yeah, if you want to experiment with my project, feel free to come over
[20:50] eddyb: and I haven't finished my node rewrite yet
[20:50] Sample: creationix: currently, node has been the funnest new technologies ive ever tried to use, lua the least fun
[20:50] eddyb: creationix: I know what luvit is
[20:50] creationix: right not it's nothing like node internally
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[20:50] eddyb: it's weird that it's getting that much attention
[20:50] mikeal: i just love the name, luvit
[20:50] mikeal: "love it"
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[20:50] creationix: mikeal: indeed, the npm for luvit is called "heart"
[20:50] creationix: lvm was kinda taken
[20:51] mikeal: this make me feel all warm and fuzyy
[20:51] aaronfay: Does anyone know if the msi for 0.6.5 downloads a file from a server somewhere?
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[20:51] creationix: aaronfay: is it not working offline?
[20:51] lzskiss: but
[20:51] Sample: Let me put it this way.. I'm becoming convinced no one working with node has any idea how to use 'http' to receive post information: http://jsfiddle.net/sjmhT/
[20:51] Sample: =P
[20:52] creationix: mikeal: https://github.com/luvit/logo/blob/master/luvit-logo.png
[20:52] aaronfay: creationix: the msi is throwing an error that suggests a network problem (2755)
[20:52] creationix: aaronfay: no clue, sorry
[20:52] aaronfay: Ok, no problem
[20:52] creationix: I thought it was all offline and bundled
[20:52] sechrist: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3339737
[20:52] sechrist: lol
[20:52] aaronfay: I've tried 0.6.3 - 0.6.5 and they all throw the same error
[20:52] mikeal: nice
[20:52] Aikar: http://www.facebook.com/Inna/posts/10151047840185381
[20:52] Aikar: inna agrees about luvit
[20:52] alystair: is there a node equiv to activeadmin?
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[20:55] alystair: g'day isaacs
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[21:03] TheEmpath: Hi.  This is my socket setup.  When using Chrome and the console is open, I will be randomly unable to emit messages.  I have to close the console, refresh the page a few times, then it works again.  https://gist.github.com/bc68fa4e6d59eebab51d
[21:04] TheEmpath: does this happen to anyone else?
[21:04] zomg: TheEmpath: I don't think you're supposed to use 'new' with io.connect
[21:04] zomg: not sure if that has any effect though
[21:04] TheEmpath: o
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[21:05] TheEmpath: lets find out
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[21:05] zomg: Otherwise that gist looks ok to me
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[21:06] aaronfay: creationix: turns out it was a silently failing antivirus problem
[21:06] creationix: oh the joys of windows
[21:06] creationix: at least you have node now.  Let the fun begin!
[21:07] aaronfay: Been working in linux for quite some time, the only reason we're excited about node for windows is some of the projects we are demoing are going to be on windows computers.  Oh the joy of the business world :P
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[21:08] TheEmpath: that appears to be working now zomg
[21:09] TheEmpath: thank you kindly, debugging will now be easier lol
[21:09] creationix: aaronfay: cool
[21:09] malkomalko: when doing an npm install.. is it possible to not install dev dependencies?
[21:09] isaacs: malkomalko: npm install blah --production
[21:09] isaacs: malkomalko: er, npm install --production
[21:09] isaacs: malkomalko: `npm install blah` doesn't install devDeps
[21:10] malkomalko: lol I know
[21:10] malkomalko: figured
[21:10] malkomalko: thank you sir
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[21:12] zomg: TheEmpath: np
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[21:21] PHPTroll: best editor
[21:21] PHPTroll: go
[21:21] PHPTroll: dont say vim
[21:22] TheEmpath: zomg: hrmmm it seems to be happening again
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[21:22] AvianFlu: PHPTroll, vim
[21:22] zomg: TheEmpath: possibly an issue in the code you're using to emit the events rather than the one in the gist?
[21:22] zomg: and/or receive them in the other end
[21:22] PHPTroll: komodo edit aint half bad
[21:23] zomg: PhpStorm... with vim keybindings
[21:23] zomg: ;>
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[21:25] Lorentz: vi
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[21:25] Edy: PHPTroll: eclipse, textmate
[21:26] insin: Sublime Text
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[21:26] insin: very tiny magnets
[21:26] Sample: I solved my problem!
[21:26] jhurliman: is it possible to synchronously write to a WriteStream?
[21:26] Sample: node.js is the coolest
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[21:27] sh1mmer: I've been trying https://github.com/shtylman/libxmljs on 0.6 and I'm getting a segfault. My hamfisted gdbing suggests it's a null pointer in crypto
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[21:34] sh1mmer: https://gist.github.com/1469216
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[21:38] bingomanatee_: this whole node windows thing makes me wonder how far we would have gotten if the blacksmith's guild insisted that cars use horseshoes. 
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[21:45] sh1mmer: bingomanatee_: huh?
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[21:47] CIA-109: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07v0.6 * r8295c80 10/ lib/net.js : 
[21:47] CIA-109: node: net: check status code in afterWrite
[21:47] CIA-109: node: Fixes memory leak and spin on writing to dead fds. This was tested in
[21:47] CIA-109: node: production. - http://git.io/8ZnzMg
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[21:53] kenperkins: does NPM have any knowledge of node-version
[21:53] kenperkins: or does it simply get latest, and you hope that said module works with the version of node you have
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[21:54] tbranyen: kenperkins: based on the package definition
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[21:56] defunctzombie: sh
[21:56] defunctzombie: sh1mmer: this is shtylman
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[21:57] defunctzombie: looking at your gist I see: 0x000000010005c6e5 in v8::Value::ToObject () at node_crypto.h:166
[21:58] sh1mmer: defunctzombie: hey
[21:58] sh1mmer: right
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[21:58] sh1mmer: I realize it's crypto, but I've no idea how it's being interacted with
[21:58] sh1mmer: I'm not using it
[21:58] defunctzombie: k, so what is the code you are trying to run?
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[22:04] perezd: so in node 0.4.x if I spawn a child_process, and call kill on it, the exit code is always 1, is there a way to make that not true?
[22:04] perezd: I want to "kill" with exit code 0
[22:04] Rushing: i ran "node index.js" and got an error, so i tweaked my code, but still get the same error, liek the code didn't change
[22:04] Rushing: is there some kind of cache i need to clear?
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[22:06] scooteronce: Is there any way to stop a file upload while it is in the middle of uploading a group of files?
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[22:09] deedubs: here I was worried that something would go wrong in node.js but what brought the project down was a faulty generator! http://christmasspirittree.ca
[22:09] sockmonk: bnoordhuis: when I ran 'make install', I got a message to bug you about it here in IRC. :-)
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[22:10] bnoordhuis: sockmonk: can you paste the exact message?
[22:10] sockmonk: `make install` is not implemented yet. Bug bnoordhuis about it in #node.js
[22:10] makeInstallBot: sockmonk: `make install` is not supported on current node.js `master` due to build system refactor. Please use latest stable tag (v0.6.x).
[22:11] sockmonk: after typing 'sudo make install'
[22:11] bnoordhuis: sockmonk: ^ there you go :)
[22:11] sockmonk: ah
[22:11] bnoordhuis: i'll update message, i know by now that i should fix it
[22:12] perezd: anyone on child_process/kill question ? sort of lost...
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[22:12] Elie: Hi Noders
[22:12] sockmonk: I'll try the 0.6.5 tarball. thanks
[22:12] Elie: I am a rails dev working with pusher and I would like to move to node
[22:13] Elie: I just would like to know if it was possible to add some node code to a rails app
[22:13] Rushing: 01i ran "node index.js" and got an error, so i tweaked my code, but still get the same error, like the code didn't change01. is there some cache i need to clear?
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[22:13] Elie: Does anyone has some input on this
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[22:14] Elie: ( Basically I built a chat and a who's online functionality for my app and I would like to migrate it using node )
[22:14] Elie: Should I use something like faye in that case
[22:15] Elie: can I host it on Heroku?
[22:15] isaacsanders: Heroku does node hosting 
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[22:15] isaacsanders: I would make sure to read the docs on it first, there are a few conventions.
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[22:16] Elie: sure
[22:16] Elie: should I just use faye or node.js for my purpose
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[22:16] mattkime: hello
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[22:18] mattkime: i just installed node.js and i'm trying to use npm but i'm getting this error - https://gist.github.com/1469394
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[22:19] mattkime: I installed over a v0.4.x version of node. i went back and cleared out the /usr/local/bin and /usr/local/lib/node_modules
[22:19] mattkime: without success
[22:19] mattkime: or even altering the problem
[22:19] mattkime: os x 10.7.2
[22:20] context: remove the node and the dir, then install new version
[22:20] context: or... use homebrew and let it handle that for you
[22:21] perezd: so any advice for my child_process/kill bug? pretty much stuck :(
[22:21] benvie: sweet you can add github and stackoverflow profiles to your google+
[22:22] mattkime: sorry, node and the dir? you mean /usr/local/bin/node ? and the node_modules dir?
[22:23] Rushing: 10 01i ran "node index.js" and got an error, so i tweaked my code, but still get the same error, like the code didn't change. is there some cache i need to clear?
[22:23] mattkime: thanks context, worked!
[22:23] mattkime: :)
[22:24] kenperkins: hm, anyone familiar with ./build-wrapper failing during npm installs?
[22:24] johnnywengluu: isaacs: how do i watch multiple extensions with supervisor?
[22:25] isaacs: johnnywengluu: not sure.
[22:25] isaacs: johnnywengluu: i haven't touched supervisor in a long time
[22:25] johnnywengluu: -e isaacs oh forgot ""
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[22:25] Rushing: 01isaacs, you mind taking a look at my question? i'm sure it's something very noob
[22:25] johnnywengluu: worked
[22:25] isaacs: Rushing: there is no cache that survives the process restarting.
[22:26] johnnywengluu: isaacs: you aren't using it in development yourself?
[22:26] isaacs: Rushing: gist the code.  chances are, your tweak just didn't fix the problem :)
[22:26] isaacs: johnnywengluu: nope
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[22:28] johnnywengluu: isaacs: ever heard of eat your own dog food? :)
[22:28] sockmonk: bnoordhuis: thanks again, the make install seemed to work... the ./configure script didn't find I had openssl installed, but that's not critical to me right now
[22:28] kenperkins: bnoordhuis: I'm getting the build-wrapper error on "npm install emailjs" with node and npm latest
[22:29] isaacs: what is build-wrapper?
[22:29] isaacs: i've never seen that
[22:29] isaacs: johnnywengluu: i eat a lot of dog food.  i get full sometimes :)
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[22:29] bnoordhuis: isaacs: i'm afraid i may have started that some time in the past
[22:29] isaacs: johnnywengluu: i did use supervisor in development a lot when i wrote it.
[22:29] isaacs: i don't write many web servers now.
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[22:30] isaacsanders: isaacs: Hey, nice name
[22:30] isaacs: isaacsanders: thanks, you too.
[22:30] benvie: hah
[22:30] bnoordhuis: isaacs: it's a python / perl / shell script that smooths over the differences between versions of node, mostly relevant to native add-ons
[22:30] isaacs: 
ACTION realizes he's going to have to be extra vigilant in signing up for things so that the twitter thing doesn't happen again with node dev stuff...

[22:31] isaacs: isaacsanders: that sprintis guy… man… just will not part with his twitter id.
[22:31] isaacs: totally annoying.
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[22:32] CIA-109: node: 03isaacs 07v0.6 * r9318891 10/ (6 files in 4 dirs): 
[22:32] CIA-109: node: Website js/css tweaks
[22:32] CIA-109: node: Remove jquery
[22:32] CIA-109: node: Use HTML5 doctype
[22:32] CIA-109: node: Simpler clearfix implementation
[22:32] CIA-109: node: Close download dialog with <Esc> key - http://git.io/evhQOQ
[22:32] CIA-109: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07v0.6 * r95b034e 10/ doc/index.html : Reorder nav - http://git.io/5IZgww
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[22:35] CIA-109: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07v0.6 * r19a18ad 10/ doc/index.html : better <br>s - http://git.io/N_h-SQ
[22:35] isaacsanders: isaacs: I understand, the guy that owns isaacsanders.com is being difficult about selling it.
[22:35] perezd: child_process.kill doesn't explicitly call exit does it?
[22:35] isaacs: when will people realze that there can be only one?
[22:35] isaacs: 
ACTION chops off the head of every other Isaac S.

[22:35] isaacs: sorry.
[22:35] isaacs: nothing personal.
[22:36] isaacsanders: I will fight you for your Quickening
[22:36] perezd: I see it calling _internal.kill, but it feels like its not..
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[22:36] kenperkins: isaacs, bnoordhuis: https://gist.github.com/1469469
[22:36] perezd: my signal events aren't even firing, and I get an exit code 1 on exit of the child
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[22:36] isaacsanders: what about core_commiter.kill? ;)
[22:36] kenperkins: that's the extent of my knowledge
[22:37] isaacs: kenperkins: i see, looks like you might have an oddball version of python
[22:37] isaacs: kenperkins: ImportError: No module named Scripting
[22:37] isaacs: kenperkins: that's the clue
[22:37] kenperkins: 2.6.5 is pretty normal isn't it?
[22:37] perezd: trying to do cp.kill('SIGQUIT')
[22:37] isaacsanders: ok, that probably wasn't that funny... #unfunnyJokes
[22:37] isaacs: isaacsanders: it was pretty funny
[22:38] perezd: and the child doesn't have any of its SIGQUIT events firing, however the on exit event is fired with code 1 and signal null
[22:38] perezd: seems wrong...
[22:38] bnoordhuis: kenperkins: what's the question?
[22:38] kenperkins: I'm getting a build-wrapper error, issacs thinks it may be my Python ver
[22:38] isaacs: bnoordhuis: kenperkins can't install buffertools.  no such module "Scripting"
[22:39] isaacs: bnoordhuis: looks like a python incompatible thingie
[22:39] kenperkins: here's my gist: https://gist.github.com/1469469
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[22:39] perezd: is there some special spawn setting I am missing...
[22:39] bnoordhuis: kenperkins: right, someone else reported that too - i think i fixed it, let me look it up
[22:40] kenperkins: I thought so too, I looked at the github commit
[22:40] kenperkins: https://github.com/bnoordhuis/node-buffertools/issues/17
[22:40] bnoordhuis: kenperkins: https://github.com/bnoordhuis/node-buffertools/issues/17#issuecomment-2952184
[22:40] CIA-109: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07v0.6 * r6e76fc2 10/ doc/index.html : 
[22:40] CIA-109: node: make jobs the last nav
[22:40] CIA-109: node: fixes display bug - http://git.io/gAx-5Q
[22:40] bnoordhuis: kenperkins: yeah, that's the one
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[22:40] kenperkins: I just installed 0.6.5 clean and got it
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[22:41] bnoordhuis: kenperkins: what does `npm -v` say?
[22:41] isaacsanders: isaacs: I just read your latest blog post. Funny
[22:41] kenperkins: 1.0.106
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[22:41] bnoordhuis: kenperkins: i think that there is your problem, that's not the npm that ships with 0.6.5
[22:42] isaacs: bnoordhuis: that wouldn't affect anything
[22:42] isaacs: bnoordhuis: he's getting a python error.
[22:42] bnoordhuis: isaacs: https://github.com/bnoordhuis/node-buffertools/issues/17
[22:42] isaacs: bnoordhuis: nothing in that area changed since 1.0.106
[22:42] kenperkins: here's what I did: installed node 0.6.5 (and not npm)
[22:42] kenperkins: got the error above
[22:42] bnoordhuis: i remember we discussed that the night before the new release was.... er, released
[22:42] kenperkins: wondered if i needed newer npm, installed via curl
[22:42] kenperkins: then still got the error
[22:43] isaacs: bnoordhuis: but that's not the error kenperkins is gettign
[22:43] kenperkins: (installed npm via curl that is)
[22:43] isaacs: bnoordhuis: https://gist.github.com/1469469
[22:43] isaacs: ImportError: No module named Scripting
[22:43] isaacs: that's got python written all over it
[22:43] isaacs: Traceback (most recent call last):
[22:43] isaacs:   File "/usr/local/bin/node-waf", line 14, in <module>
[22:43] bnoordhuis: oh right, that's an issue with node-waf, not the build-wrapper script
[22:43] isaacs:     import Scripting
[22:43] isaacs: ImportError: No module named Scripting
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[22:43] Rushing: isaacs, i think i'm just too unix ignorant...i say "node index.js", then i get an error. what do i need to run to kill the process?
[22:43] bnoordhuis: 
ACTION should learn to read

[22:44] isaacs: oh, maybe he got a node install that didn't install node-waf and there's an old one?
[22:44] bnoordhuis: yes, probably
[22:44] isaacs: Rushing: control-c, maybe?
[22:44] bnoordhuis: kenperkins: ^
[22:44] kenperkins: that could be possible
[22:44] Rushing: nope :/ already dumped back to the normal console
[22:44] kenperkins: I had 0.4.11 on it, and edited my puppet module to get 0.6.5
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[22:44] isaacs: Rushing: or you probably don't need to do anything, if it dumps out
[22:44] Rushing: bash
[22:44] isaacs: Rushing: yeah, then it's as quit as it's gonna get :)
[22:44] isaacs: Rushing: what's the output?  can you paste to http://gist.github.com?
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[22:44] isaacs: Rushing: and paste the index.js file there, too?
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[22:45] kenperkins: hm, how would I diagnose node-waf problems? isn't it deployed by running "make install" after compiling node?
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[22:46] Rushing: isaacs, there are several dependencies. it's erroring in one of those (./lib/Package.js specifically)
[22:46] isaacs: kenperkins: there are some cases where you need to `make uninstall` in 0.4 prior to doing `make install` in 0.6
[22:46] kenperkins: interesting
[22:46] kenperkins: that looks like it isaacs 
[22:46] isaacs: Rushing: as long as you are using english to describe the problem, i cannot help.
[22:46] kenperkins: I deleted my node-waf in /usr/local/bin and then re-ran "make install"
[22:46] kenperkins: and we're good
[22:47] isaacs: Rushing: you must express this problem in error stack traces, and possibly also in javascript
[22:47] isaacs: english = worst programming language ever.
[22:47] isaacs: (*pretty syntax, tho)
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[22:50] Rushing: isaacs, thanks. still tinkering
[22:51] kenperkins: bingo thanks guys
[22:51] creationix: isaacs: forget machines, most humans can't even get english: http://spelling.wordpress.com/2007/09/05/english-pronunciation/
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[22:54] perezd: anyone who I can bounce a child_process.spawn/kill question off of ?
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[23:06] Sample: tbranyen, Aikar, gsmcwhirter: I'm retarded btw, my whole issue was forgetting to put a name attribute on the input tag, thats why the request data event never triggered, it wasnt even being sent! doh =P
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[23:07] benvie: node gets a new website, world ends, news at 11
[23:08] Sample: benvie: oh, i was just wondering what went wrong that i couldnt find the documentation link in the sidebar
[23:08] Sample: i was like, humm, something broke
[23:08] benvie: yeah the world ended
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[23:08] Sample: i feel like will smith
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[23:09] benvie: drunk super hero? 
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[23:09] Sample: i am legend =P
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[23:13] kenperkins: are there any tricks on nodejs with cluster & expressjs
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[23:17] perezd: if I spawn multiple child processes on a single node, and kill any one of them, they all seem to die. why is that?
[23:17] perezd: they all have unique pids
[23:18] perezd: any idea why that is /cc ryah 
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[23:21] perezd: I like the part where no one helped me out :(
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[23:27] sh1mmer: perezd: sec
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[23:28] sh1mmer: perezd: gist your cluster script
[23:28] perezd: one sec
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[23:43] mattkime: i'm trying to use sendfile from the express framework but would like to reference other directories. i currently get "forbidden" - can anyone point me in the correct direction?
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[23:43] perezd: sh1mmer: yo
[23:44] sh1mmer: perezd: hi
[23:44] perezd: https://gist.github.com/81c18ac7a522e64e45df
[23:44] perezd: this is a condensed version of what I am doing basically
[23:44] perezd: I never hear "SIGQUIT'D
[23:44] perezd: and as soon as 1 dies, all of them die
[23:44] perezd: with exit code 1
[23:44] perezd: signal null
[23:45] perezd: basically, node is recursively spawning a node process
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[23:45] perezd: it doesn't fire SIGQUIT signals to each child process, as I'd expect
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[23:51] sh1mmer: perezd: how do you know sigquit was fired?
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[23:51] perezd: I am listening to it
[23:51] sh1mmer: is node throwing anything from the main process
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[23:52] perezd: not that I can tell
[23:52] perezd: SIGQUIT is not an exit, its just a signal
[23:52] perezd: I'd have to call process.exit() to have it truly terminate
[23:52] sh1mmer: hm
[23:52] perezd: kill != exit
[23:52] perezd: according to the docs
[23:52] sh1mmer: sure
[23:52] sh1mmer: KILL is just signal passing
[23:52] perezd: yeah it *should* be
[23:53] sh1mmer: I think I remember seeing bug about this
[23:53] sh1mmer: look in the issues on joyent/node
[23:53] CoverSlide: thou shalt not kill
[23:53] sh1mmer: other than that I don't have time to look in more details right now
[23:53] sh1mmer: but that's a reasonable test case
[23:53] sh1mmer: so I would just file it
[23:53] sh1mmer: if you can't find an existing bug
[23:53] perezd: okay
[23:53] perezd: thanx
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[23:55] kenperkins: is there a way when doing cluster.fork () to get the child process ID? I'd like to output it in the log
[23:58] kenperkins: also how does using node-inspector inpact an app with multiple worker processes (if at all)
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[23:59] perezd: https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/2321
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