[00:00] Brandon_R: it actually is thanks
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[00:00] Xeon06: Is there a channel for NPM?
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[00:00] AvianFlu: Xeon06, best to ask here
[00:01] Xeon06: Is there any way to force NPM to update it's packages? I have installed something and the GitRepo of said thing has a more recent version
[00:01] Xeon06: Not sure how that's handled, maybe the authors themselves need to update their packages
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[00:01] Aria: If you're pulling from the registry, the authors have to publish
[00:01] Aria: However, you can change your package.json to refer to the git repo and npm can pull straight from it.
[00:02] Xeon06: Aria, my "package.json"?
[00:02] Xeon06: Sorry, completely new to this
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[00:03] Brandon_R_: what do you guys think of javascript design patterns?
[00:03] Aria: Brandon_R_: Design patterns happen.
[00:03] Brandon_R_: do they hold much weight in js or are they not necessary?
[00:03] Brandon_R_: like facade or factory
[00:03] Aria: Are you thinking of a specific design pattern?
[00:03] Brandon_R_: singleton
[00:03] cmr: Brandon_R_: IMO they don't hold much weight anywhere... most of them are common sense type things, not to be overly thought about.
[00:03] Aria: The patterns one needs to combat weaknesses in languages vary by language.
[00:04] Aria: So if you're thinking patterns in Patterns of Enterprise Architecture, you're trying to write Java in Javascript.
[00:04] Aria: But you WILL find a lot of design patterns in Javascript code. Because patterns /happen/
[00:04] Aria: They're not something you should go looking to apply, but recognize when you're doing and do in the best possible way.
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[00:05] Aria: Xeon06: You usually make a package.json for what you're building, and you list your dependencies there.
[00:05] Aria: Xeon06: But if you're installing packages, npm install giturl
[00:06] Xeon06: Oh, that makes it easier
[00:06] Brandon_R_: cool so npm can install from git?
[00:06] Aria: Yes it can.
[00:06] Aria: For better and worse.
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[00:06] Xeon06: Well, that gave me a christmas tree of errors
[00:07] Xeon06: This is the pckage I'm trying to install, can anyone confirm it works for them to install from git? https://github.com/felixge/node-paperboy
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[00:14] Aria: Wow. I'd be surprised if Felix doesn't publish right away.
[00:15] Aria: Unless HEAD isn't working
[00:15] Aria: Installs for me, Xeon06.
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[00:17] Xeon06: Aria, huh. Must be windows
[00:19] Xeon06: As for him not publishing right way, maybe I have it wrong, but it seems his latest commit isn't present in the version npm gave me
[00:20] jbrokc: hey, what's the easiest way to update my install of node with homebrew from 0.4.10 to 0.6.1? i need to install serveup which requires strata which needs node ~ 0.6.1 :(
[00:21] isaacs_away: If you list a git url as a dependency, you should strongly consider supplying a branch, tag, or commit
[00:22] Aria: jbrokc: git clone, git checkout v0.6; ./configure; make; make install
[00:22] Aria: jbrokc: or alternatively, brew edit node
[00:23] jbrokc: Aria: what's the url for the tar.gz file? just change the extension to 0.6.1 or 0.6.01 ?
[00:23] jbrokc: and will that upgrade node safely  (just trying to install over it)?
[00:23] Aria: 0.6.4
[00:24] Aria: And yes, it will, with homebrew
[00:24] Aria: (and in generall -- node is simple)
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[00:26] jbrokc: Aria: thanks!
[00:26] Brandon_R_: so guys
[00:27] Brandon_R_: what's your wishlist for node.js?
[00:28] Aria: Smaller, faster, better!
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[00:31] cmr: I tend to agree with Aria.
[00:31] Sorella: Brandon_R_, supporting SpiderMonkey's destructuring assignments :3
[00:31] Sorella: though that's not a Node.js wishlist per-se.
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[00:31] joshsmith_: Raynos: why do you use nodeunit over vows?
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[00:31] Raynos: I found vows ugly
[00:31] Raynos: it got annoying
[00:32] Raynos: its buggy around the edges
[00:32] Raynos: I actually wrote two abstractions to make vows nicer, called vows-fluent and vows-is
[00:32] Raynos: I threw them away because its a dead end
[00:32] Raynos: I like nodeunit. It's personal preference
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[00:32] SubStack: I like tap
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[00:33] Xeon06: Am I the only one who would like struct like objects in JS, passed by value?
[00:33] SubStack: I also find vows pretty unappealing
[00:33] Raynos: I was tempted by tap, I need to learn more about it
[00:33] joshsmith_: Yeah I saw vows-is, but have you seen vows-bdd?
[00:33] mmalecki: Xeon06: why?
[00:33] Sorella: Xeon06, perhaps.
[00:34] Sorella: I guess Harmony is introducing structs or something.
[00:34] SubStack: Raynos: there's not much to learn, it's just the assert api bound to an object then you call t.end()
[00:34] Sorella: It's really introducing lots of things.
[00:34] SubStack: Raynos: pretty much node-tap except you call test() instead of doing an export
[00:34] Xeon06: mmalecki, Ton of reasons. Have you ever tried working with say a Vector2 object in JS? Needing to call .copy every time you pass it to make sure you don't modify that value
[00:34] joshsmith_: I don't like the syntax but vows.bdd is nice and matches up with my mental model
[00:34] SubStack: erm
[00:34] Raynos: SubStack: it's more learning about what tap outputs and what the default TAP stuff is. Cause its a protocol thing
[00:34] SubStack: *pretty much nodeunit
[00:34] SubStack: except you do asserts on the t object, not from the global assert module
[00:35] Raynos: joshsmith_ vows-is & vows-fluent was me going "hmm vows-bdd" dont like that, write my own
[00:35] SubStack: Raynos: I have no idea about any of that and I use tap all the time
[00:35] Raynos: I tried vows-bdd. Neglected it, and wrote my own
[00:35] Raynos: SubStack: im comfortable with nodeunit for the moment :)
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[00:42] cipher__: Node seems to dislike some the example syntax here: http://killdream.github.com/blog/2011/10/understanding-javascript-oop/index.html ... Is this my fault, or a new spec of js that node dislikes?
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[00:44] cmr: cipher__: can you provide an example?
[00:45] cipher__: I am essentially just c/p from there. 
[00:45] cmr: Yeah pretty much, but that's a big page.
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[00:48] Sorella: cipher__, which example in particular? I'm pretty sure I tested all of those in Node.js, and it should work in any ES5 environment really.
[00:49] cipher__: Alright, I must be doing something wrong then :/ Sorry
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[00:52] Sorella: cipher__, well, which one did you try?
[00:53] SubStack: NPM SEARCH Y U BREAK
[00:53] SubStack: oh fuck, everything is broken
[00:53] cipher__: Sorella: search in the ctrl-f this: "We can implement this in JavaScript with the following definitions:"  
[00:53] SubStack: isaacs: ^^^
[00:53] cipher__: oops
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[00:53] isaacs: wut?
[00:53] mmalecki: I guess you have to fix everything
[00:53] cipher__: grammar fail, ignore "search in the"
[00:54] isaacs: oh, weird
[00:54] SubStack: yes that
[00:54] SubStack: https://gist.github.com/1428682
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[00:56] Sorella: cipher__, are you typing it iteratively in the REPL? Because it uses some previously defined functions, so you could get a ReferenceError if you just type that piece of code.
[00:56] Sorella: interactively*
[00:56] SubStack: isaacs: did I break npm with that package?
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[00:56] SubStack: other packages seem ok
[00:56] isaacs: SubStack: what package?
[00:56] SubStack: oh wait, all better now
[00:57] SubStack: transfuse was giving the error in that gist but it's all better now
[00:57] SubStack: must've been some iriscouch fluke
[00:57] isaacs: yay!
[00:57] isaacs: looks like it healed itself
[00:57] isaacs: it's supposed to do that
[00:57] SubStack: PATENTED SELF-HEALING PACKAGE TECHNOLOGY
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[00:57] SubStack: or PSHPT for short
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[00:58] cipher__: Sorella: c/p this should work right? http://pastebin.com/U0k4tVfD
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[00:59] Brandon_R_: what is a self healing package
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[01:00] Sorella: cipher__, no, you're lacking some commas to separate the properties of those objects :3 :3
[01:00] Sorella: s/:3 :3/:3/
[01:01] Xeon06: Does anyone know of a potential problem if I'm putting web sockets on the same port as my http to serve static files?
[01:01] cipher__: :(, why cant javascript be like c++script :(
[01:01] Sorella: which apparently org-mode made the favour of stripping when I exported that.
[01:03] Raynos: idiot question: 
[01:03] cipher__: Sorella: I don't know the syntax, so i just assumed it was already correct
[01:03] Raynos: I get an EACCESS error using npm
[01:03] Raynos: in windows
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[01:03] Raynos: There's no equivelant of sudo in windows right?
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[01:04] cipher__: run as admin :p
[01:04] Raynos: My windows cmd shell already says its in administrator mode
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[01:04] benvie: yeah it's called
[01:04] benvie: how you usually use windows
[01:04] Raynos: cause it has the word administrator at the top right
[01:04] Raynos: benvie: I dont usually use windows :(
[01:04] benvie: when you do ;)
[01:04] benvie: the separation between admin and normal is...not super great
[01:04] cipher__: what's this speak of glass panes for? 
[01:05] benvie: because so much stuff ends up requiring it to work at all
[01:05] Raynos: I still get the same EACCES error in admin mode
[01:05] benvie: you can be denied access as admin
[01:05] Raynos: ;_;
[01:05] Raynos: wtf windows
[01:05] benvie: you can grant yourself permission though
[01:05] benvie: lol
[01:06] benvie: but you have to specifically do it if you don't have permission
[01:06] TheJH: you can get SYSTEM rights
[01:06] Raynos: how would I go about doing that?
[01:06] TheJH: and SYSTEM can usually access everything
[01:06] benvie: right click on folder, properties
[01:06] TheJH: at least in XP, I think they fixed it in Vista
[01:06] benvie: windows has two separate sets of permissions which confuses people
[01:06] TheJH: http://verbalprocessor.com/2007/12/05/running-a-cmd-prompt-as-local-system/
[01:07] benvie: and both need to be appropriate for you to do stuff
[01:07] TheJH: Raynos, ^ for getting system rights :)
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[01:09] Raynos: TheJH: there must be a better way to get system reights
[01:09] Sorella: cipher__, nothing wrong with your assumptions. Org-mode is the thing that doesn't seem to like commas as the first thing in a line, and I haven't checked the output afterwards.
[01:10] TheJH: Raynos, no, because you're not really supposed to do that :D
[01:10] Raynos: but I need to write to folders
[01:10] Raynos: surely there must be a sensible way to get write permission on folders :\
[01:12] cipher__: Use Linux :p
[01:12] Raynos: Im just going to  use the GUI to make the folder not read-only :\
[01:12] joshsmith: I am really not sure how to use Vows at all
[01:12] Raynos: just use nodeunit o/
[01:12] joshsmith: if I need my app, for example, how do I use that?
[01:13] Raynos: require("app")
[01:13] joshsmith: but I'm saying if the code I'm testing needs it
[01:13] Raynos: https://github.com/Raynos/raynos-blog/blob/master/src/server.js#L10
[01:13] Raynos: joshsmith: thats why my code exports the app
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[01:14] joshsmith: so how do you require that in your tests?
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[01:15] joshsmith: (sorry, I'm still really new to this)
[01:15] Raynos: https://github.com/Raynos/raynos-blog/blob/master/test/http/post.js#L101
[01:15] TheJH: Raynos, I think "cacls" can change folder permissions on the command line
[01:15] Raynos: I think NPM creates read only folders :\
[01:15] Murvin: is that the right way to call SlaveOK by using Mongoose? SiteModel.slaveOK().find({}, function(err,docs) { ... } );
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[01:18] Brandon_R_: brb guys
[01:18] Brandon_R_: i love node.js
[01:18] Brandon_R_: i will spread the word 
[01:18] Brandon_R_: door to door
[01:18] Brandon_R_: Node.jS will rule the world
[01:18] Brandon_R_: have to sleep now
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[01:26] Raynos: so npm has issues writing things to file when I should have the permissions. I checked the folders and I have full permissions. (in windows)
[01:26] Raynos: Apart from breaking into SYSTEM mode, are there any recommendation on getting it to work?
[01:27] Aria: Use folders you do have permission to?
[01:29] Raynos: But I do have permission to it. Just npm says no :(
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[01:33] Sorella: run it as `sudo npm <whatever>'? Though eh, I don't really know Windows. But npm seems to work fine for me in there, using the old non-native-windows version of Node.
[01:36] Raynos: it works fine for most cases
[01:36] Raynos: but when it balls out, your pretty ...
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[01:39] CodeRarity: is www.vowsjs.org broken for anyone else?
[01:39] AvianFlu: works for me
[01:40] soffi: works for me, slowly
[01:40] gkatsev: http://www.isup.me/vowsjs.com
[01:40] gkatsev: er
[01:40] gkatsev: oops
[01:40] CodeRarity: what? lol
[01:41] gkatsev: http://www.isup.me/www.vowsjs.org
[01:41] CodeRarity: gkatsev, it's not just me, but now it is?
[01:41] gkatsev: it's up
[01:41] gkatsev: CodeRarity: no, I messed up in the first one, used .com
[01:41] CodeRarity: oh, I see
[01:41] CodeRarity: thanks
[01:41] gkatsev: CodeRarity: it seems a bit slow, but up
[01:41] gkatsev: isup.me is great
[01:41] CodeRarity: it works for me now, idk why it said there was an error before
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[01:46] Xeon06: Can anybody tell me why that's not working? Maybe there's a better way? http://pastebin.com/jJNmzNbC
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[01:49] isaacs: Raynos: the EACCES you're seeing is on a __blah.npm folder rename action, yes/
[01:49] isaacs: ?
[01:49] isaacs: raydeo: oh, he left.
[01:49] isaacs: oh well
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[01:51] soffi: does express have a chan on freenode?
[01:51] soffi: yes it does, sowwy ;)
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[01:57] msch: can someone recommend a 'pure' websocket implementation? socket.io adds their own layer on top of websockets and i'm writing a desktop client
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[01:59] JHartig|away: I'm writing one now for Grooveshark, but it isn't quite finished yet :/ We will be open sourcing it though when I'm done.
[01:59] teadict: I thought everythine below socket.io was not worth it
[01:59] teadict: Grooveshark is a "company"?
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[02:00] fastest963: umm, yes? http://grooveshark.com/about
[02:00] msch: JHartig: too bad. will it show up at https://github.com/grooveshark ? no chance for early access? (I'd sign a CLA)
[02:01] teadict: never thought of looking that up... mmhmm
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[02:01] teadict: what's their situation in terms of law?
[02:02] fastest963: it will show up on there but sorry no chance yet. I have it stable but we're testing this week. I'll be able to put it public next week.
[02:02] maushu: msch, define pure websocket implementation.
[02:03] maushu: You mean client side? Server side?
[02:03] msch: maushu: server side. i've found a few client side cocoa websocket libraries, but after reading some socket.io docs it appears it builds ping/pong and other features on top of websockets, which the cocoa libs almost certainly won't support
[02:03] teadict: why not use socket.io nad support it?
[02:04] maushu: Hmm. I think I have something like that around.
[02:04] maushu: Even for client side for non-supporting browsers.
[02:05] maushu: But aren't there modules in the module library? I remember seeing a couple.
[02:05] msch: maushu: modules library? sorry, i'm totally new to node
[02:05] msch: teadict: mostly because I don't need socket.io's advanced features
[02:05] maushu: msch, https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/modules#wiki-ws-ajax
[02:06] teadict: then use its corey funcionality
[02:06] teadict: I don't need all of express but I still use it
[02:06] teadict: it'sb etter than write a routing system by mysel
[02:06] teadict: f
[02:07] cmr: teadict: its what functionality? Never seen that word uses like that
[02:07] teadict: core-y
[02:07] cmr: Ah
[02:07] cmr: Not my name. Gotcha
[02:07] maushu: Anyone here used backbone?
[02:07] maushu: Client-side.
[02:08] teadict: maushu: I heard it's awesome for both sides and I plan to start using it soon
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[02:08] maushu: It is awsome, but a little confusing since it basically lets you do everything.
[02:10] cipher__: Javascript question: If  i initialize an object in a function, then push it into an array, (when not using the new operator) will the object passed still live after the function ends? Assuming the array is outside the scope of the function. Or will it point to nothing?
[02:10] cmr: cipher__: Sounds like something real easy to test.
[02:10] maushu: cipher__, yes, it will still live.
[02:11] msch: teadict: i don't know, socket.io seems strange to me.. i mean having setting for 'log colors' clearly doesn't belong in there
[02:11] maushu: msch, It does everything, even coffee.
[02:11] cipher__: thanks, and i did test it, I got conflicting results (or so i thought). I just suck at js / node.
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[02:12] msch: maushu: yeah i think i'll try https://github.com/Worlize/WebSocket-Node + https.createServer hope that works out.
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[02:21] niftylettuce: anyone know how to do an object array of DBRef's in Mongoose? I asked in #mongoose but its not primetime in there now, https://gist.github.com/ce486e0b96531d76b5ce is my schema
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[02:22] niftylettuce: ah fixed it :) 
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[02:26] zomg: What was I thinking when I wrote this... opts[k].push({ label: options[p].options[k] })
[02:26] zomg: I have no fucking clue what all those variables are...
[02:26] zomg: :D
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[02:31] fastest963: Anyone know why emitting events is blocking? I would think that they would have made it non-blocking using nextTick or something.
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[02:38] cipher__: I probably completely misunderstand what I am attempting to do, despite knowing my code is probably nonsense this is it: http://pastebin.com/jeaxtmpy My issue as i see it is that the object declared as remote is undefined. Could anyone help me a bit? 
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[02:51] cipher__: could anyone tell me why this code is claiming the remote variable is not defined?
[02:51] cipher__: http://pastebin.com/jeaxtmpy
[02:51] cipher__: (or help me find it :P)
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[03:24] Raynos: Am I the only person who debugs purely with `console.log` ?
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[03:25] fastest963: cipher__: it says the paste id is unknown.
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[03:26] fastest963: Raynos: I can usually find the error by looking at the code but if I can't, then I use console.log.
[03:26] Raynos: "looking at the code" 
[03:26] Raynos: do you have some magical skill set
[03:26] fastest963: If you use try catch, be sure to print the e.stack
[03:27] fastest963: so you can figure out where it occured, that will usually help
[03:27] Raynos: I guess it depends what kind of error were talking about, run-time syntax errors are easy to fix
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[03:27] Raynos: I'm mainly thinking methods dont behave as I expect, whats going wrong.
[03:27] Raynos: Also why would I use try catch :( it's evil
[03:28] fastest963: It's evil? what do you mean?
[03:29] Raynos: why would you ever throw an error to be caught
[03:29] Raynos: you pass errors through callbacks
[03:29] Raynos: its the node way
[03:30] Raynos: I mean you can use try catch in certain libraries (like test runners), but I dont use it in application code
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[03:31] fastest963: maybe its just me but most of the time when I want to debug something its because I didn't expect an error to happen where it did. It's not because i expected an error to be there and returned.
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[03:32] Raynos: I dont wrap code in try & catch when I debug
[03:32] fastest963: instead you use console.log
[03:33] Raynos: yes, as in I log the state of data as it flows through the program
[03:33] Raynos: and I log pointers like "here" and "there" and "descriptive name"
[03:33] Raynos: You know all the things you would use breakpoints for and looking at the local variables stack
[03:34] fastest963: ya, gotcha. I rately debug changes to a variable, I guess because I don't run into problems that require that.
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[03:46] cipher__: fastest963: http://pastebin.com/u5JX4Rkd
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[03:54] fastest963: cipher__: Its weird that you are doing a variable like that
[03:55] cipher__: fastest963: yeah, i am watching a talk on javascript atm. I was essentially trying to create a new object type, initialize a new object of that type, then push it by value into the array, hoping it would then be allocated and live in the array. Leaving new room for the next object. 
[03:56] cipher__: so in c++:  type * x = new c(); vector.push_back(x); type of thing
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[03:56] cipher__: 
ACTION is insane

[03:58] fastest963: http://pastebin.com/5TvU0WaF
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[03:58] fastest963: Oh, but on line 20, you want to push remote not socket
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[04:00] fastest963: and I don't understand the console.log(clientList[0].ID)? why are you printing out the first client's ID all the time?
[04:00] JakeyChan: hey ?
[04:00] cipher__: fastest963: debug 
[04:00] cipher__: debugging*
[04:00] JakeyChan: do you know how to fix the SEO problem when render html on client side ?
[04:02] fastest963: gotcha, well you need to make sure you are pushing remote and not socket
[04:02] fastest963: otherwise ID will be undefined
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[05:09] chirag: any xml parsing module in node?
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[05:12] Aria: Yes.
[05:12] Aria: npm search xml
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[05:15] chirag: aria: building index!
[05:15] chirag: thanks for info
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[05:21] chirag: aria: node-xml seems to be interesting..any hands on experience with it or any other xml parsing module which you recommend?
[05:21] chirag: need to parse google feed
[05:22] Aria: None. I've not used XML in node myself. (thankfully -- been in json land long enough)
[05:22] Aria: What kind of access do you need to it? DOM or streaming?
[05:23] chirag: streaming
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[05:24] Aria: Nice.
[05:24] Aria: node-xml sounds like a great tool for that task then
[05:24] chirag: cool..;)
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[05:32] JakeSays: so how well does node.js work for servicing ajax/rest requests?
[05:33] Aria: Very.
[05:33] niftylettuce: havin troubles myself with some ajax
[05:33] JakeSays: is there a framework for parsing the requests, or do i just roll my own?
[05:33] niftylettuce: keep getting 403's :'(
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[05:34] SubStack: JakeSays: it's super great for that and it's even better at streaming requests and responses
[05:34] Aria: JakeSays: the built-in http server? Express? So many options.
[05:34] SubStack: JakeSays: usually you just JSON.parse() and JSON.string() the requests and results
[05:34] SubStack: although if you have streaming JSON data you could use JSONStream
[05:35] SubStack: I wonder why more people don't do streaming ajax
[05:35] JakeSays: cool. sounds like it'll work. 
[05:35] SubStack: all the browsers except for the IEs support it, just set the content-type to multipart/octet-stream
[05:35] JakeSays: i'm gonna use it to mock a web service
[05:35] SubStack: then http-browserify makes the api just like node's
[05:35] SubStack: I should port request to browserify
[05:36] JakeSays: browserify?
[05:36] SubStack: there are also some extensions to do multipart requests on the client side of things
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[05:36] SubStack: I'm not as sure what the browser support for those looks like
[05:37] JakeSays: hmm. my node build is about 10 days old. wonder if much has changed since then
[05:37] SubStack: JakeSays: browserify is a module that lets you write browser-side code just like node code with require()s and whatever
[05:37] JakeSays: ah
[05:37] JakeSays: hmm. 0.6.4 is out
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[05:44] JakeSays: so whats the state of npm on windows with 0.6x?
[05:44] Leemp3: Anyone here run Cloud9?
[05:47] JakeSays: Leemp3: i tried.. was too much effort to get up and running
[05:47] JakeSays: although i'm thinking about giving it another go on linux
[05:48] Leemp3: It seems easy so far (i can curl 127.0.0.1:3000 and get a response), i just can't get it to work from outside of my localhost lol
[05:48] JakeSays: which platform are you on?
[05:48] Leemp3: I'm hoping it's my version of node.. ubuntu seems to only be running 0.4.9
[05:48] JakeSays: c9 uses a very old version of node (.2 something)
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[05:49] Leemp3: But yea, my end goal is to somehow run Cloud9 locally, so i can run binary extensions.. eg, so i can use JSDOM, etc.
[05:50] Leemp3: And wow, good to know. I'll try grabbing an older version and compiling it
[05:50] JakeSays: isnt node in the c9 repo?
[05:51] Leemp3: Not sure, i have the repo, but i never saw it. To run it you simply run bin/cloud9.sh, so i never even saw node.. 
[05:51] JakeSays: ah ok
[05:52] Leemp3: Looks like it runs this, "support/node-builds-v4/node-linux64 bin/cloud9.js"
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[05:53] JakeSays: wtf.. the node windows installer doesnt give me any install options
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[05:59] Leemp3: Yea, my problem is i get this every time.. " warn  - error raised: Error: EADDRNOTAVAIL, Cannot assign requested address"
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[06:03] gkatsev: Leemp3: are you having node listen to 127.0.0.1? if so, you wont be able to get to it from outside localhost
[06:04] Leemp3: gkatsev: Well, technically when i run cloud9 with no options, it works locally no problem. When i give it a new address, so that it can be connected to from more than just 127.0.0.1, that's when i get that error
[06:05] Leemp3: gkatsev: The cloud9 readme says "bin/cloud9.sh -l all" if you want to run  cloud9 on all addresses, but that gives the above error
[06:05] Leemp3: Same with any other address i've used with -l
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[06:06] gkatsev: weird
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[06:08] JakeSays: Leemp3: perhaps something else is sitting on port 80?
[06:08] JakeSays: oh.. you're on 3000. n/m
[06:08] Leemp3: Yea, i've also tried giving it other ports
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[06:09] kerigan: hello anyone know how to open an Image from the web into node canvas?
[06:09] Leemp3: Besides, i can run a node.js app on the port/address specified no problem
[06:10] kerigan: something like: 		var img = new Image;
[06:10] kerigan: 		img.src = 'http://www..';
[06:10] kerigan: 		ctx.drawImage(img, 0, 0);
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[06:12] JakeSays: kerigan: i believe thats basically it
[06:12] kerigan: hm i'm getting Error: Image given has not completed loading, doing that
[06:13] JakeSays: ah then maybe wait for it to be loaded before calling drawImage
[06:13] JakeSays: download the image locally and try it
[06:13] kerigan: how do I wait :S
[06:14] JakeSays: well, in a browser you can do img.load = function(){}
[06:14] JakeSays: not sure if its the same node side
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[06:17] gkatsev: yeah, node-canvas doesn't allow you to do that
[06:18] JakeSays: kerigan: if you're going to be doing a lot of canvas stuff server side node-canvas might not be the best option
[06:18] gkatsev: if you are loading from the filesystem, you can just read the file and then set the source to that variable. like in the node-canvas examples
[06:19] kerigan: yeah goat I've seen that example, but my images are on amazon s3
[06:20] kerigan: i mean gkat, lol lain auto correct need to turn that off
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[06:20] gkatsev: you can do the same thing, more or less too. get the image via an http request
[06:20] gkatsev: then set the src to be that variable
[06:20] JakeSays: kerigan: yeah you'll just have to manage pulling the images manually
[06:21] kerigan: hm ok then ill do that thanks so far :)
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[06:22] JakeSays: kerigan: tried using node-canvas for some server side work, but it was too limiting. i ended up using a customized chromium build
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[06:29] kerigan: that sounds like a lot of tinkering though
[06:29] JakeSays: yeah but it was a lot of fun
[06:30] JakeSays: and i can generate vectorized PDFs from <canvas> tags with embedded svg images
[06:30] necromancer: hey i'm getting this when installing node from git
[06:31] necromancer: "`make install` is not implemented yet. Bug bnoordhuis about it in #node.js"
[06:31] makeInstallBot: necromancer: `make install` is not supported on current node.js `master` due to build system refactor. Please use latest stable tag (v0.6.x).
[06:31] necromancer: oh never mind
[06:31] necromancer: lol
[06:31] necromancer: <3
[06:32] msch: what's the position on extending inbuild prototypes? e.g. adding Array.prototype.remove and stuff? Is there something like ruby's activesupport for node?
[06:34] JakeSays: msch: the position? 
[06:34] msch: JakeSays: what do more experienced node devs say about it?
[06:34] gkatsev: msch: you can do whatever you want. Generally, you want to avoid augmenting the default prototypes, but if you really want to, go ahead. If you break shit, dont blame us.
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[06:34] JakeSays: msch: its just javascript.. 
[06:35] msch: JakeSays: yeah and to this day i don't understand what's bad about extending the inbuild prototypes. everyone does it in objective c and ruby without blowing everything up
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[06:35] necromancer: msch: because in javascript, if two libraries override the same method...one of them is going to work and the other is not
[06:36] JakeSays: msch: it gets messy when you have 50 different 3rd party libs adding Array.remove()
[06:36] necromancer: actually that's the same with ruby and obj-c too :)
[06:36] necromancer: msch: so if you're just doing this for your own project and not planning to release it as a library, i'd say you're safe if you really want to do it
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[06:36] necromancer: or if you really need to
[06:36] msch: i want to :)
[06:36] necromancer: but definitely don't if you're making a library that other people are going to use
[06:36] msch: yeah obviously
[06:37] msch: just like in every other lang
[06:37] gkatsev: if you do plan to make it a lib, have a compatability function that removes the functions from default prototypes and instead adds it to some namespace.
[06:37] msch: i was just wondering if there's something like activesupport that gives me more complete prototypes without me having to code them all myself
[06:37] msch: i'm writing an app
[06:38] kerigan: weird still getting Error: Image given has not completed loading with local files
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[06:38] necromancer: msch: the "rule" of not augmenting prototypes in JS was really due to its status as a browser language. since there were several different implementations of the language your code could possibly be executed on, people had to be a little more careful about what they did.
[06:38] necromancer: it's part of the reason why prototype.js failed and jQuery succeeded. jQuery didn't extend the DOM, it wrapped the DOM node in its own object.
[06:39] necromancer: not sure why it's adhered to in the commonjs/node/v8 community though.
[06:39] msch: ok
[06:39] msch: necromancer: thanks.
[06:39] gkatsev: necromancer: because node is still js. I think it's a good practice and should be avoid unless You Know What You Are Doing(tm).
[06:40] JakeSays: kerigan: yeah i never had much luck with node-canvas (and come to think of it, most of my issues were with images)
[06:40] necromancer: I agree
[06:40] necromancer: there are very few reasons for why you need to extend built-in objects
[06:40] necromancer: however, the fact that you can do that is still awesome
[06:40] msch: there's only one right? readability
[06:40] necromancer: partially
[06:40] JakeSays: its like people adding classes to the System namespace in c#. it really bugs me
[06:40] gkatsev: though, sugarjs is a pretty cool
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[06:41] JakeSays: msch: i'd argue it doesnt help with readability
[06:41] msch: gkatsev: sugarjs! that's what i've been looking for. thanks!
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[06:41] gkatsev: msch: haha, you're welcome.
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[06:42] necromancer: msch: that is one. efficiency is another.
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[06:42] gkatsev: oh, I guess sugar exists as an npm module
[06:42] msch: JakeSays: how is something.pluck('whatever').include(somethingelse) less clear than _.include(_.pluck(something, 'whatever'), somethingelse) ?
[06:43] necromancer: it's more efficient, I think, to extend the Date object to allow it to accept a date string of "m/d/y" because you don't have to instantiate another object in order to get what you want out of the function
[06:43] JakeSays: msch: because when i to go read the docs on something, i expect to find something.pluck
[06:44] JakeSays: which i wouldn't because its some hack someone added t pluck
[06:44] JakeSays: er, to something
[06:44] necromancer: otherwise you'd have to make a function that takes a string, parses it, and instantiates a Date with those values
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[06:44] necromancer: but if you wanted to change the Date to the value of the string, you'd actually have to overwrite it rather than change the object's properties
[06:44] JakeSays: msch: i'd also argue that _ is a piss poor name for, well, anything
[06:45] necromancer: JakeSays: $ was taken ;)
[06:45] JakeSays: necromancer: $ is just as poor
[06:45] gkatsev: underscore is pretty cool
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[06:45] necromancer: $ at least is familiar
[06:45] JakeSays: gkatsev: underscore is handy, but _ sucks ass as a name
[06:45] JakeSays: so does $
[06:45] gkatsev: $ is techinically missused as a variable name
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[06:45] necromancer: it serves a purpose?
[06:46] gkatsev: well, kind of
[06:46] JakeSays: what purpose?
[06:46] gkatsev: it's supposed to represent a variable holding machine code
[06:46] msch: JakeSays: well that's a problem with the documentation browser :) Xcode got it pretty right with support for category methods
[06:46] gkatsev: or something like that
[06:46] JakeSays: msch: i dont use xcode
[06:47] msch: JakeSays: yeah but what i meant is that it's a problem that can be solved by extending the tools
[06:47] msch: JakeSays: since you probably only have 2-3 different pluck methods in your whole codebase
[06:48] JakeSays: msch: i'd rather the library be written/documented properly
[06:48] msch: JakeSays: btw, what documentation browser do you use?
[06:48] JakeSays: ah.. i use everal
[06:48] JakeSays: *several
[06:48] gkatsev: a web browser
[06:48] JakeSays: ^
[06:49] JakeSays: for everything but ms docs, yeah, a browser
[06:49] necromancer: gkatsev: how can you write machine code in a language built to run in a high-level virtual machine?
[06:49] JakeSays: necromancer: with jslinux. lol
[06:49] msch: hehe, i meant the node equivalent of rdoc.info vs ruby-doc.org vs some native app whatever
[06:49] necromancer: bash uses it to represent all vars, as does perl and php
[06:50] JakeSays: msch: uh, i just use the web site docs for whatever lib i'm using.. not sure what you're asking
[06:50] msch: JakeSays: i was looking for some documentation aggregation pages where i can search through many npm libs at once
[06:50] JakeSays: ah
[06:51] JakeSays: no idea. i just started using npm (literally 10 minutes ago)
[06:51] necromancer: i always thought JS included it as an optional character in variables so php programmers would feel more comfortable
[06:51] JakeSays: necromancer: i figured it was because it was valid in c++
[06:51] jhurliman: it's completely untested (still haven't chosen a favorite unit testing library with node.js), but i just finished the first version of my rate limiting library. https://github.com/jhurliman/node-rate-limiter
[06:52] necromancer: oh yeah i guess that makes more sense
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[06:53] gkatsev: necromancer: ah, the machine and the code parts were both correct. just not together. $ is supposed to be used by machine generated javascript code so it will be less likely to interfere with other identifiers
[06:53] JakeSays: dang. creating a rest service in express looks like it'd be super easy
[06:53] JakeSays: gkatsev: you were close - just forgot the 'generated javascript' part. lol
[06:54] gkatsev: lol, yep
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[06:57] JakeSays: hmm
[06:59] gkatsev: ok, I need to sleep
[06:59] gkatsev: night
[06:59] JakeSays: i wonder how well it'd work using data urls for images to download 300 images at once
[07:02] joshsmith: anyone know of a good way I should be mocking a database?
[07:02] joshsmith: or, should I be mocking at all, and do full-blown integration/acceptance testing?
[07:02] joshsmith: if so, how should I set up the database?
[07:04] JakeSays: yes to both
[07:04] JakeSays: joshsmith: ^
[07:04] joshsmith: JakeSays: I should just do full-blown testing?
[07:04] JakeSays: but you should really be asking the question "should i be mocking a service layer"
[07:04] joshsmith: that's kind of the way I've gone before, but I want to get my theory straight here
[07:04] JakeSays: you should always put your db behind a service layer
[07:05] joshsmith: JakeSays: how do you mean?
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[07:05] joshsmith: (assume I'm stupid and just go from there)
[07:05] JakeSays: well, you should have a dal or orm between your code and the db
[07:06] JakeSays: to abstract your business logic from the db schema
[07:06] joshsmith: I'm using Postgres, so idk what kind of layer I would have
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[07:06] joshsmith: it'd be more obvious if I were using Mongo or something
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[07:08] joshsmith: any thoughts on that JakeSays?
[07:09] JakeSays: joshsmith: no, i haven't used postgress in.. like 12 years
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[07:09] joshsmith: what do you use now?
[07:09] JakeSays: mostly oracle
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[07:10] joshsmith: oh, so still relational
[07:10] JakeSays: lol still?
[07:11] joshsmith: I mean, you'd still have some insights about a dal/orm
[07:12] JakeSays: i use bltoolkit as my orm on .net
[07:12] JakeSays: these days it seems everything i do involving databases is through .net
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[09:34] elliottcable: Anybody know what name mscdex goes by on Freenode, if not that exact nick?
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[09:35] elliottcable: and while I'm at it, pquerna / SubStack, one of you might want to temporarily-ban raincole. He seems to be stuck in the revolving door.
[09:35] SubStack: :/
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[09:36] SubStack: done
[09:36] elliottcable: 
ACTION /ht SubStack

[09:36] SubStack: ht?
[09:36] elliottcable: SubStack: do you know mscdex? Seen him around here by that nick, or does he go by something else / not use IRC?
[09:36] elliottcable: hat-tip
[09:37] SubStack: I've used some of mscdex's libs
[09:37] mmalecki: elliottcable: msddex, I think
[09:37] elliottcable: How does on generally build a Node module?
[09:37] SubStack: and seen that handle in this channel before
[09:37] elliottcable: I've git-cloned node-ncurses, but I've no idea how to go about building it.
[09:37] mmalecki: *mscdex
[09:37] elliottcable: Too used to `rake make` or similar
[09:37] elliottcable: mmalecki: thanks. I'll catch him when he awakes, then
[09:38] SubStack: elliottcable: write an index.js with some exports
[09:38] SubStack: then write a package.json for it
[09:38] SubStack: then npm publish
[09:38] SubStack: and write tests if you're awesome
[09:38] elliottcable: hm, so just `npm publish` in his directory?
[09:38] elliottcable: I was trying to do this *without* NPM
[09:38] SubStack: a pull request?
[09:38] elliottcable: because `npm install ncurses` is how I was running into this problems previously
[09:39] elliottcable: SubStack: what? Did I say something about a pull request? :x
[09:39] elliottcable: 
ACTION backs up

[09:39] SubStack: oh building
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[09:39] SubStack: npm install .
[09:39] elliottcable: I'm trying to install node-ncurses. It failed. Now, I've cloned the code, and want to experiment with building it by hand, but can't figure out how.
[09:39] SubStack: if it has a scripts.install in the package.json
[09:39] SubStack: otherwise node-waf clean build
[09:40] elliottcable: mmmmm good, `node-waf configure build` in the package.json, so I can just use that?
[09:40] elliottcable: good, good
[09:40] SubStack: if node-waf even still works
[09:40] elliottcable: thanks SubStack :D
[09:40] elliottcable: even still works? :x
[09:40] mmalecki: it's going to get replaced by gyp
[09:41] elliottcable: Heh. Build-tool shenanigans.
[09:41] elliottcable: okay now *that's* annoying.
[09:41] elliottcable: `CC=gcc node-waf configure build` completes successfully.
[09:42] elliottcable: and yet the `CC=gcc npm install ncurses` failed, the build fell apart for reasons that were unclear.
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[09:42] elliottcable: mmm, might just be a difference in the versions. Beyond downloading the source to node_modules and running the pre-install build, is there anything else npm does that I need to be aware of?
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[09:42] elliottcable: or, to turn my question on its head: can I simply clone his code into node_modules by hand, run the build manually, and then be done?
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[09:44] elliottcable: Hmmmm. No, npm must do something else as well; building with node-waf by hand doesn't spit out the ncurses_addon that his index file require()'s...
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[10:13] johnnywengluu: a question .. how many users here are using vim?
[10:13] dr0id: 216
[10:14] Lorentz: Over 9000
[10:14] Dulak: 484
[10:14] johnnywengluu: haha let me rephrase .. who is using vim in here instead of IDEs like Cloud9
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[10:15] ShinyDarkness: johhnywengluu: I use MacVim, does that count as vim?
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[10:16] johnnywengluu: ShinyDarkness: let me check it out =)
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[10:31] HRSatiya: I hav npm installed html2jade.. but its throwing html2hade command not found 
[10:31] HRSatiya: Am i missing anything ?
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[10:34] stagas: HRSatiya: 'npm install html2jade -g' and try again
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[11:03] sergey_uk: Hi all, is there any known nodejs hosting which actually works? tried a bunch from the list from wiki and no one really works for a basic app nodejs+socket.io
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[11:13] mlangenberg: Can anybody running on node 0.4.x run some code in repl for me?
[11:13] mlangenberg: crypto.createHash('sha256').update('ë').digest('hex')
[11:14] mmalecki: mlangenberg: f8d20e598df20877e4d826246fc31ffb4615cbc059aec9ec8e5b28951d844a3f
[11:14] mlangenberg: thx
[11:14] mlangenberg: Ruby gives me: b19cfb01639de63ec3d32df67b70cb7a56316f9ef5186fd290293abbcf0b8867
[11:14] jetienne: > require('crypto').createHash('sha256').update('ë').digest('hex')
[11:14] jetienne: 'f8d20e598df20877e4d826246fc31ffb4615cbc059aec9ec8e5b28951d844a3f'
[11:14] mmalecki: lol? unicode problem?
[11:15] jetienne: yep
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[11:15] mmalecki: I mean, who has a problem XD ?
[11:15] mlangenberg: I updated from an old Node version to (0.2) to 0.6.x, now my signatures mismatch :-/
[11:15] jetienne: more like use the same pagecode
[11:16] HRSatiya: Thx Stagas its working ..
[11:16] mlangenberg: problem is, I didn't test it with ë in the message. So now this is running in production X-D.
[11:16] mmalecki: that's definitely a problem :D
[11:17] jetienne: mlangenberg: find the default pagecode in 0.2 and covert it to this page code
[11:17] mmalecki: http://imgur.com/gallery/y7Hm9
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[11:18] mlangenberg: You mean I can do a runtime conversion?
[11:20] jetienne: mlangenberg: yep. im convinced it isnt a bug (i may be wrong tho). but if im not just convert "e" into the same pagecode as 0.2 and the hash will match
[11:20] jetienne: mlangenberg: worth the try at least :)
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[11:21] mlangenberg: jetienne: Do you think it is in the createHash() function or in digest('hex') ?
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[11:21] jetienne: it is in update('ë')
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[11:22] jetienne: one need to do something like update('ë'.toProperPageCode())
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[11:22] jetienne: mlangenberg: i would search toward this direction if i were you 
[11:23] mlangenberg: ok
[11:23] jetienne: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.6.5/api/buffers.html to do the translation
[11:25] mlangenberg: > crypto.createHash('sha256').update(new Buffer('ë', 'utf8')).digest('hex')
[11:25] mlangenberg: 'b19cfb01639de63ec3d32df67b70cb7a56316f9ef5186fd290293abbcf0b8867'
[11:25] mlangenberg: ah!
[11:25] mlangenberg: but then, why? ;-)
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[11:26] jetienne: > require('crypto').createHash('sha256').update(new Buffer('ë', 'utf8').toString('utf8')).digest('hex')
[11:26] jetienne: 'f8d20e598df20877e4d826246fc31ffb4615cbc059aec9ec8e5b28951d844a3f'
[11:26] jetienne: hehe noclue :)
[11:26] jetienne: it may be a bug after all :)
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[11:28] CIA-109: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07v0.6 * r248ca5d 10/ src/unix/error.c : unix: translate ETIMEDOUT to UV_ETIMEDOUT - http://git.io/V0P7Zw
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[11:35] mlangenberg: jetienne: At least I am happy that I fixed in in production now. :)
[11:35] mlangenberg: jetienne: I will create an Issue on github.
[11:36] jetienne: mlangenberg: ensure it is a bug tho
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[11:37] eeemsi: "npm workaround Windows antivirus software (isaacs)" i am missing details ^^
[11:38] mmalecki: eeemsi: iirc, there's a race condition in readdir implementation
[11:38] mmalecki: av slows it down or something?
[11:38] eeemsi: mmalecki: thx
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[11:45] mlangenberg: exit
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[11:52] eeemsi: oh… the topic is not up2date ^^
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[12:08] lzskiss: yo
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[12:32] elliottcable: So, is node-waf going away?
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[12:32] elliottcable: i.e. is the documentation for building addons now obselete, with its descripton of adding a wscript to your addon?
[12:32] daniel: can someone point me to an example express app with mocha tests?
[12:32] elliottcable: is there something else I should use/do for gyp?
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[12:33] daniel: im trying to write a basic test for GET / response: 302
[12:33] daniel: my old tests are all using expresso
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[12:36] elliottcable: Does anybody know of any node modules on NPM that are currently using gyp?
[12:36] elliottcable: something I can get an example from?
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[12:38] daniel: anyone?
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[12:42] DoNaLd`_: nobody
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[12:42] elliottcable: someone
[12:42] elliottcable: :D
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[12:44] mmalecki: I'll just leave it here http://www.reddit.com/r/lolphp
[12:45] tuhoojabotti: :D
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[12:47] daniel: please
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[12:48] elliottcable: mmalecki: heh, that's excellent
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[12:48] mmalecki: daniel: express is tested with mocha
[12:49] daniel: yeah but it doesnt have the sort of tests that a web app has
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[12:52] mmalecki: I wonder if can I somehow "move" execution point of current process
[12:52] alexcheninfo: Is anyone here using railway.had? 
[12:52] mmalecki: inb4 goto
[12:52] alexcheninfo: Railway.js 
[12:52] einaros: can someone name a fast websocket client, on a platform other than node?
[12:52] daniel: if i follow this https://github.com/visionmedia/express/blob/master/test/req.accepted.js  i get request is undefined
[12:54] mmalecki: einaros: tornado (python) has something
[12:54] mmalecki: einaros: not sure if it's client tho
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[12:54] einaros: thanks, will check that
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[12:55] pita: https://github.com/Pita/async-stacktrace
[12:56] mmalecki: pita: it requires code modifications
[12:58] jetienne: exports.ERR = global.ERR = function (err, callback) <- pita why this global ?
[13:00] pita: jetienne: it makes it easier imho
[13:01] pita: mmalecki: what you like to change?
[13:01] mmalecki: pita: afaik there are modules which don't need code changes
[13:01] jetienne: pita: var ERR = require('ERR'); and you dont polute global space... 
[13:01] jetienne: pita: just feedback
[13:01] mmalecki: but agreed, it requires monkey punching
[13:03] daniel: can't find how to test a simple response code with mocha without including some http.js code
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[13:12] pita: mmalecki: you have an example for such modules?
[13:12] pita: jetienne: like request() is doing it? 
[13:13] jetienne: pita: i dunno how it does it. but personnaly i dislike a lot the global polution. and i dont think im alone
[13:14] jetienne: pita: in this case it seems completly useless and harmfull to me. 
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[13:14] jetienne: pita: just feedback here. your lib may fit your own need very well
[13:15] jetienne: pita: aka just my opinion
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[13:19] jondot: hi all. i'm looking for some more info on the new cluster API. it seems that only first web worker i'm spawning gets requests.
[13:19] jondot: i'm working in a single-core VM, but forcing 2 workers. does that matter?
[13:20] jondot: here is the gist: https://gist.github.com/1430175
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[13:27] arvindravi: hi all! i'm trying to run the default app.js program on the expressjs' frontpage,but i get this error http://pastebin.com/86MFJSDZ ,it would be good if someone could help?
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[13:32] wereHamster: arvindravi: npm install formidable
[13:34] pita: jetienne: I changed it, its not global anymore https://github.com/Pita/async-stacktrace
[13:34] lmatteis: what's the most minimal web framework for node? i just want something to help me parse requests and do routing... nothing esle
[13:34] lmatteis: i dont need session management, or database persistence
[13:34] lmatteis: just a nice http layer
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[13:36] zomg: lmatteis: express... just ignore the other parts of it you don't need =)
[13:36] lmatteis: hrm
[13:36] lmatteis: ok i guess
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[13:38] TheJH: yaaaay, netsplit wave ahead!
[13:39] tuhoojabotti: yes
[13:40] jondot: lmatteis: you can also go with connect. use connect router. i found that it takes off 700req/s from using express, where the max is around 3000
[13:40] eeemsi: TheJH: hrhrhr
[13:41] jondot: bumping my node cluster issue - anyone?
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[13:45] lmatteis: zomg: how do i avoid restarting the server whenever i make a code change?
[13:46] TheJH: lmatteis, sounds like you want hookio
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[13:55] Brandon_R: hi
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[13:55] Brandon_R: ryah update the notice
[13:55] Brandon_R: 0.6.5
[13:56] tuhoojabotti: topic that is
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[14:03] Brandon_R: hi thejh
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[14:05] pita: How can I disable the that express is catching errors?
[14:06] Brandon_R: >
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[14:10] Brandon_R: hey 
[14:10] Brandon_R: is anyone hre going to node.js camp on dec 14?
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[14:15] shoobat: Did you hear the linux fish almost got caught? Apparently he got free because of a net split
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[14:26] arvindravi: hi again,can someone here how to downgrade node from 0.6.2 to 0.4? newbie in need of some help!
[14:27] MediceIdle: git branch
[14:28] medice: git checkout v0.4something
[14:28] arvindravi: after cloning that is right?
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[14:28] arvindravi: thanks!
[14:28] medice: branch lists the branches
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[14:33] arvindravi: medice: sorry if its silly and stupid,should i use git branch after i have clone the repo?
[14:33] arvindravi: *cloned
[14:33] airborn: yes
[14:34] arvindravi: thanks!
[14:34] medice: well, branch is not necessary step but you get to see all the options you have
[14:35] jondot: any idea if npm can initialize a skeleton folder structure and files for a new npm package?
[14:35] airborn: arvindravi, what you need is to call git checkout v0.4 after git clone 
[14:35] Brandon_R: yeah
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[14:36] arvindravi: airborn: right. Got that,thanks!
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[15:04] stagas: jondot: there's npm init it's kind of a wizard for a package.json
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[15:06] Brandon_R: hi
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[15:09] elliottcable: Brandon_R: hi
[15:09] Brandon_R: sup
[15:09] Brandon_R: working on anything cool?
[15:09] jondot: stagas: kinda looking for best practices with regards to folder structure
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[15:10] Brandon_R: node.js folder structure?
[15:11] Brandon_R: take a look at how socket.io or hook.io or any of those big boys do it
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[15:11] Brandon_R: lib = js and src = c++
[15:11] bic2k: odd, I set up my setup in my views initialize, render once and it works, render again and it does not… ideas?
[15:11] bic2k: oh wait, that should be a backbone.js channel question *slaps self awake*
[15:13] Brandon_R: lol drink some coffee
[15:13] TheJH: and use coco!
[15:13] TheJH: 
ACTION quickly hides

[15:14] Brandon_R: what is coco
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[15:19] tuhoojabotti: mm.. chocolate
[15:19] tuhoojabotti: u loco
[15:19] elliottcable: Brandon_R: me?
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[15:19] elliottcable: Brandon_R: I'm *always* working on something cool.
[15:19] Brandon_R: lol
[15:19] Brandon_R: github?
[15:20] elliottcable: nope
[15:20] elliottcable: actually, I take that back
[15:20] elliottcable: something new as of this morning
[15:20] elliottcable: https://github.com/elliottcable/-_-
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[15:20] elliottcable: new project I started with some interested parties (who are, themselves, also skilled JS devs) this morning
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[15:21] Brandon_R: what is it about
[15:21] elliottcable: skim the README?
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[15:23] elliottcable: 
ACTION goes about figuring out how to create a new “class” in Node's C++ API

[15:23] Brandon_R: are you allowed to do that lol
[15:23] elliottcable: whaddya mean?
[15:23] elliottcable: 'course
[15:23] Brandon_R: call your projects ಠ_ಠ
[15:23] elliottcable: why wouldn't I?
[15:23] elliottcable: who's going to tell me not to? :3
[15:24] Brandon_R: it's kinda hard to search for
[15:24] TheJH: elliottcable, how am I supposed to start that program? I use a regular qwertz keyboard layout :D
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[15:24] elliottcable: TheJH: everywhere ಠ_ಠ shows up, there's an alias/link/etc for -_-
[15:24] TheJH: elliottcable, :D
[15:24] elliottcable: which is just what GitHub changed the title to when I entered it.
[15:24] elliottcable: thanks, github.
[15:24] elliottcable: feel free to join ##-_- if you're interested (=
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[15:34] Brandon_R: hi
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[15:35] elliottcable: Brandon_R: ... hi again.
[15:35] elliottcable: Brandon_R: somebody's bored, aren't they.
[15:35] Brandon_R: i have to apply to colleges later
[15:36] Brandon_R: so i have no idea what to do now
[15:36] elliottcable: Brandon_R: you should join ##Hat, it's more useful as a social channel than this one, as this one is dedicated to a software project.
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[16:08] megalomix: hello guys
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[16:08] megalomix: is it possible to create a custom async function in Node? I mean something like:    mymodule.myfunction(param1, param2, function(){ .. })
[16:09] megalomix: How can i create "myfunction" function ? (Aync)
[16:09] Brandon_R: hi
[16:10] Sorella: megalomix, a function is always blocking. Whether it'll execute asynchronous work or not depends on what functions you call inside of it.
[16:10] megalomix: HI Brandon_R 
[16:10] megalomix: ?
[16:10] megalomix: Sorella, I didn't understand
[16:11] Sorella: megalomix, I mean that there's no special way to "declare" an asynchronous function. It all depends on the functions you call inside of that.
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[16:11] megalomix: Sorella, yes sure, you are right...BUT the problem is that when I call that function the rest of the code will be processed and WHEN that function will finish the job the code inside { ... } will be executed
[16:11] megalomix: i mean that
[16:12] Sorella: For example: function foo(x, y){ return x + y }; is synchronous. Whereas function foo(x, y){ setTimeout(function(){ global_callback(x + y) }, 100) } is asynchronous.
[16:13] megalomix: Sorella,  yes but
[16:13] megalomix: one moment 
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[16:13] megalomix: I try to explain with a code
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[16:14] Sorella: you can do `process.nextTick(callback)' to schedule some function to run at the next tick of the event loop, which is equivalent to setTimeout(callback, 0) in Browsers, but more efficient.
[16:15] megalomix: Sorella, https://gist.github.com/1430567
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[16:16] Sorella: megalomix, then, use `process.nextTick(callback)' to schedule the callback execution.
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[16:16] Sorella: schedule/defer
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[16:16] megalomix: Sorella, one momento....where? on test function
[16:16] megalomix: ?
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[16:16] megalomix: please, could you change that code?
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[16:17] megalomix: Sorella, I would like to use  "Before"  "After"  "When?"
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[16:17] megalomix: *i would like to see
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[16:24] Sorella: megalomix, https://gist.github.com/1430588
[16:30] elliottcable: heh “top down”
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[16:38] elliottcable: Man, anybody know what I'm doing wrong here? https://gist.github.com/406c7b319a04475c824f
[16:38] elliottcable: and geting “../curses.cc:13:34: error: expected class-name before ‘{’ token”
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[16:39] zomg: C++. Scary.
[16:39] elliottcable: zomg: ;_;
[16:39] mmalecki: elliottcable: this C++ looks good to me
[16:39] elliottcable: als,o, hahhhh, zomg
[16:39] mmalecki: but yeah, agreed, it'd look better inC
[16:39] elliottcable: mmalecki: I thought so too. It seems to be really straightforward, so idfk what I'm doing wrong
[16:40] Sorella: elliottcable, top-down.
[16:40] elliottcable: Sorella: hm?
[16:40] Sorella: just as most other scripting languages
[16:40] Sorella: >[14:30] <elliottcable> heh “top down”
[16:40] elliottcable: by which you mean imperative?
[16:40] Sorella: I'm just quoting Alex Russell.
[16:40] elliottcable: heh
[16:40] elliottcable: okay (=
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[16:48] TheJH: ryah, ping?
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[16:51] mmalecki: isaacs: hey
[16:52] mmalecki: isaacs: just wondering about one new feature for npm. I'm almost done with implementing it, just wondering if you like it
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[16:53] mmalecki: isaacs: lets say we have package.json with scripts: { test: { http: 'run-http-tests' } }
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[16:54] mmalecki: isaacs: npm run test:http runs 'run-http-tests', npm run test runs everything under test
[16:54] mmalecki: does it look good to you?
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[16:58] bradleymeck: whats the best module for just posting a status to a facebook page
[16:58] bradleymeck: not profie*
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[17:00] mmalecki: bradleymeck: request (and I'm not even kidding)
[17:00] mmalecki: bradleymeck: request got oauth signing recently so it should be fine
[17:00] megalomix: Sorella, thanks
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[17:12] necromancer: hi guys
[17:12] necromancer: is it not possible to install node from master branch of git?
[17:12] mmalecki: necromancer: would you paste a message you're getting?
[17:13] necromancer: mmalecki: the make install one
[17:13] necromancer: make install
[17:13] necromancer: hmmm...a bot told me it was a known issue before
[17:13] mmalecki: necromancer: haha :)
[17:13] necromancer: hold on let me get it :)
[17:13] necromancer: yeah `make install` is not implemented yet. Bug bnoordhuis about it in #node.js
[17:13] makeInstallBot: necromancer: `make install` is not supported on current node.js `master` due to build system refactor. Please use latest stable tag (v0.6.x).
[17:13] necromancer: there we go
[17:13] necromancer: so when it says "latest stable tag
[17:13] necromancer: "
[17:13] mmalecki: necromancer: you can just copy the generated binary to /usr/bin
[17:13] necromancer: oh ok
[17:14] necromancer: is that all make install does?
[17:14] mmalecki: necromancer: it means 0.6.4
[17:14] elliottcable: lol “makeInstallBot”
[17:14] elliottcable: really?
[17:14] elliottcable: why not just have purr do it?
[17:14] elliottcable: 
ACTION pats purr

[17:14] necromancer: well some of us want to install node ;)
[17:14] elliottcable: !purr
[17:14] purr: 
ACTION 

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[17:14] mmalecki: elliottcable: ya rly :D
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[17:16] necromancer: oh wow latest node doesn't work with npm ;)
[17:16] necromancer: oh well
[17:16] necromancer: time to get the zip then
[17:16] necromancer: apparently 0.6.5 is the latest stable
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[17:17] mmalecki: oh, yeah, sorry
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[17:18] necromancer: lol hard to keep up
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[17:26] megalomix: hi
[17:27] megalomix: i have /app/libs and then /app/pages   i need to include a module in /app/pages that point to /app/libs/module.js
[17:27] megalomix: how can i do it?
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[17:27] megalomix: var mod = require('./../libs/module')
[17:27] megalomix: ?
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[17:29] mmalecki: isaacs: ping?
[17:30] guybrush: i am getting "execvp(): No such file or directory" on stderr from a spawned child_process - what does it mean? :D
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[17:31] TheJH: guybrush, the executable you specified is not executable or doesn't even exist
[17:31] guybrush: thx
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[17:33] guybrush: i see
[17:33] megalomix: exists a FORM validate in node?
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[17:34] dingomanatee:  what is the API of v8's JSON.parse? is it possible to have it not choke on circular references?
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[17:35] johnnywengluu: there is no vagrant equvalience for node.js?
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[17:35] HRSatiya: Hi all,
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[17:36] dingomanatee: sorry - rather stringify
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[17:36] HRSatiya: I want to return a array of list using res.render("my.jade",mylist) and populate my page.
[17:37] shimondoodkin: me and my friend made a facebook game http://apps.facebook.com/facebookbg/ with nowjs but the comunocation is not stable, it disconnects spontainously, in ie9,firefox, and not working in opera11. the server and the client send eachother messages like make move 1,1 and some times also happens that the messsage from rowser is not sent to server but the browser thinks it sent the message but actualy it is not. and sometimes browser
[17:37] HRSatiya: Wat is the best way to do it ?
[17:37] shimondoodkin: has anyone figured out a relaiable solution for something like this?
[17:37] megalomix: is it possible?
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[17:38] HRSatiya: I want to return a array of list using res.render("my.jade",mylist) and populate my page. Wat is the best possible way to do it ?
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[17:39] HRSatiya: * array of objects 
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[17:42] zz_MrNibbles: hey all
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[17:42] zz_MrNibbles: anyone using jade extensively?
[17:43] zz_MrNibbles: actually
[17:43] zz_MrNibbles: ive just thought of a way around this.. nm
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[18:14] mmalecki: isaacs: ping?
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[18:14] megalomix: is there a module to validate FORM ?
[18:14] megalomix: (i'm using express.js
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[18:20] isaacs: mmalecki: hi
[18:21] mmalecki: isaacs: hi :). did you read what I sent you?
[18:21] isaacs: sent me?
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[18:21] mmalecki: isaacs: right after you joined
[18:21] mmalecki: meh, lemme do it again
[18:22] mmalecki: isaacs: just wondering about one new feature for npm. I'm almost done with implementing it, just wondering if you like it
[18:22] isaacs: hmm...
[18:22] mmalecki: isaacs: lets say we have package.json with scripts: { test: { http: 'run-http-tests' } }
[18:22] isaacs: i'd like to keep the data structure simple
[18:22] isaacs: i've got some map-reduces that run over the scripts in the registry to see which packages need compilation etc
[18:22] mmalecki: isaacs: oh ok, that's fine :)
[18:23] isaacs: maybe "scripts": { "test-http": "run-http-tests" }?
[18:23] magnetik__: I have a little problem linked to the function getPeerCertificate()
[18:23] isaacs: but i guess you can already do that...
[18:23] megalomix: is there a form validator for express.js ?
[18:23] mmalecki: isaacs: yeah, I just wanted to make it more semantical
[18:23] magnetik__: When the user does not provide any certificate, it return {} 
[18:23] megalomix: how coul di validate the html FORMs ?
[18:23] magnetik__: but, well, how can I test if the user did provide a certificade?
[18:24] isaacs: we can put our semantics in a - as easily as we can put them in a :
[18:24] isaacs: the dots and dashes don't have opinions about this :)
[18:24] mmalecki: isaacs: I mean, the embeeded structures, etc
[18:24] isaacs: oh, right
[18:24] mmalecki: isaacs: but that's fine, simplicity > features
[18:25] magnetik__: i tried if (certificate) or if (certificate == {}) but it does not work :/
[18:25] zomg: megalomix: I saw some lib but forgot the name. Google for nodejs form validation or something like that
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[18:25] megalomix: k
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[18:26] daGrevis: Hey. I asked very noobish (imho) question about Node on StackOverflow. Maybe you can take a look at it? I haven't got any answers yet. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8376952/internal-scripts-and-style-sheets-always-points-to-index-file-node-js
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[18:28] stride: dagrevis: in the function(request, response) { you read and forward index.html to the client
[18:29] stride: no matter what the client requests
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[18:29] anddam: hello
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[18:29] magnetik__: When I console.log(myvar) it prints out {}, but when I try to test myvar == {}, it does not work :/
[18:29] stride: dagrevis: for serving static files you could use connect/express, they have a staticProvider middleware that handles static files for you. examples are available for that 
[18:30] anddam: I have a webapp that I'd like to distribute in order to being run locally
[18:30] anddam: I thought about providing nodejs binaries to serve the app, I searched something similar on web but I couldn't find any
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[18:30] anddam: has this been discussed? can someone suggest some search keywords?
[18:31] wereHamster: magnetik__: type this in the node repl: {} == {}
[18:31] wereHamster: what does it show?
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[18:32] isaacs: OpenID: Bad idea, or worst idea ever?
[18:32] magnetik__: wereHamster, false 
[18:32] isaacs: daGrevis: i can't post an answer to your question, because SO uses openid
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[18:32] wereHamster: magnetik__: now do you see why 'myvar == {}' would not work?
[18:32] isaacs: my identity is locked up
[18:32] stride: isaacs: at least better than BrowserID :)
[18:32] isaacs: and i can't reset the password or anything, because now the failure area is doubled.
[18:32] isaacs: ugh.
[18:32] magnetik__: wereHamster, well yep
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[18:33] magnetik__: wereHamster, but myvar.length is undefined too.. How can I test that there is some elements ?
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[18:33] magnetik__: getPeerCertificate() should return false or something like that :/
[18:33] isaacs: so, hooray, now i have two SO accounts, and lost all my karma and points and whatnot.
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[18:34] stride: isaacs: me too. I just signed in with my google account to answer and got a new account.
[18:34] swaj: magnetik__: jQuery and underscore both have handy methods that can test if an object is "empty" -- I recommend underscore.  You can do var under = require('underscore'); and then test your var like this: if (under.isEmpty(myvar)) { ... }
[18:34] isaacs: openid is so so bad
[18:34] isaacs: we all drank that koolaid 10 years ago
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[18:34] isaacs: er, 5 years ago
[18:34] isaacs: and it's still making trouble
[18:34] stride: isaacs: are you writing an answer? I can close that weird thing in that case
[18:35] isaacs: yes, i posted an answer.
[18:35] isaacs: i'm "user1080374"
[18:35] stride: oh, didn't refresh. hmkay :)
[18:35] swaj: magnetik__: if you want to see how underscore does it, feel free to look at http://documentcloud.github.com/underscore/underscore.jsand findthe method :)
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[18:35] swaj: magnetik__: http://documentcloud.github.com/underscore/underscore.js that is
[18:35] magnetik__: it looks very usefull
[18:35] magnetik__: thanks :)
[18:35] TheJH: isaacs, your identity is locked up?
[18:35] swaj: <3 underscore :)
[18:35] purr: Let it be known that swaj hearts underscore :).
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[18:36] daGrevis: stride, thanks. I will take a look at it.
[18:36] isaacs: TheJH: well, i can't log into it, or reset the password, or use the same email address.
[18:36] daGrevis: isaacs, what's the problem with OpenID?
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[18:36] isaacs: daGrevis: ok, so you create an account at site A, and then use A.com/me to log into site B, right?
[18:37] TheJH: isaacs, I think you can get access again by registering at http://stackexchange.com/ with the same mail
[18:37] isaacs: then, one day, site A goes down, or B updates their open id implementation and A doesn't, etc.
[18:37] daGrevis: isaacs, that's the idea, ye
[18:37] isaacs: TheJH: "Email address is already registered"
[18:37] TheJH: isaacs, also on stackEXCHANGE?
[18:37] isaacs: daGrevis: Now, you've got TWO sites you can't log into
[18:37] isaacs: TheJH: oh! i didn't try that
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[18:38] isaacs: from now on, i'm going to make my password aA1! on all sites that have stupid useless hackable password requirements
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[18:39] mmalecki: isaacs: one shop sent me back my plain text password recently >.<
[18:39] isaacs: why not just have a minimum length?
[18:39] isaacs: mmalecki: yeah, that sucks
[18:39] mmalecki: I knew something wasn't right when they wanted *max* length to be 16
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[18:40] isaacs: the thing is, openid is just exactly the wrong approach to the problem it ostensibly solves.
[18:40] mmalecki: isaacs: what's the right approach?
[18:40] isaacs: mmalecki: email addresses.
[18:40] mmalecki: isaacs: fair enough
[18:41] isaacs: "give me an email address, i'll send you a token to confirm it, choose a password and use that later, or reset it with the email address and a new token."
[18:41] isaacs: it's pretty much perfect, and ancient
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[18:41] isaacs: openid takes the problems of the real world, and imposes them artificially on the virtual
[18:42] isaacs: if visa's server is down, you can't use your card to buy groceries.  and the grocer doesn't know you, so they're not going to give you a loan.
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[18:42] isaacs: but: there's only a few visas, and they never ever go down :)
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[18:42] mmalecki: isaacs: it *may* be a solution in internal implementations.
[18:43] stride: openid is more like a book full of visa cards and a funny guessing game which one you used the last time
[18:43] mmalecki: like things which need cental authority but can't share db, etc.
[18:43] isaacs: sso is a nice ideal.  i'm not saying it's not.  but every relevant openid-ish implementation that doesn't suck is using a proprietary system of some sort.
[18:43] isaacs: stride: exactly!
[18:43] isaacs: it's the kind of solution that only solves the problem by assuming that you don't already have the problem.
[18:44] isaacs: but i already have a jillion accounts, and all of them are openid providers, so should i use google, or yahoo, or facebook, or myopenid, or what?
[18:44] daGrevis: about my problem. i read this (http://www.thecodinghumanist.com/blog/archives/2011/5/6/serving-static-files-from-node-js) article. i understand now. i could figure the soltion out myself, but i didn't think that i need to do it. whatever, now i know :)
[18:45] stride: dagrevis: make sure to read the comments of that blog post though
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[18:45] stride: especially marak and mikeals
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[18:47] daGrevis: stride, got it. there are modules that do this AND its stupid to load index.html for each request couse it's pretty-much static. thanks (:
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[18:47] isaacs: TheJH: yes, that worked!
[18:48] isaacs: TheJH: i don't know why SO pushes openid so hard.  why not just use their sso system that actually works?
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[18:48] stride: dagrevis: :)
[18:48] daGrevis: overall, nice room. (:
[18:48] daGrevis: thanks all
[18:48] zomg: isaacs: because Jeff Atwood is an openid fanboy
[18:48] TheJH: isaacs, well, when I'm logged in to google at school, I like being able to login to SO with one click
[18:48] zomg: :P
[18:49] TheJH: at home, openid isn't useful for me, but at school, it is
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[18:51] isaacs: TheJH: i see
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[18:51] isaacs: i like how, on chrome, on any computer, i can log into anything i want with one click, once i've synced to my google account
[18:51] mmalecki: isaacs: ++
[18:52] isaacs: of course, i'd never do that on a public machine
[18:52] mmalecki: ugh
[18:52] mmalecki: isaacs++
[18:52] v8bot_:  mmalecki has given a beer to isaacs. isaacs now has 10 beers.
[18:52] catb0t: isaacs now has 1 beer
[18:52] isaacs: catb0t: gimme back those 9 beers you stole!
[18:52] willwh: catb0t: identify
[18:52] catb0t: identify the data it's a node server running , and ave a 
[18:53] mmalecki: kohai can do that ^^
[18:53] catb0t: gimme a few months , those tnx let there any cores, can anyone doing npm 's async is fine, it ten seconds for modern replacements for it, I'm on his entire framework do that is working on Windows , beers jerrysv I don't understand why gimp or ward off facebook wrote his machine I'm not really want to r t ing some weird and then do penetrative testing in my API or entries from a nyone stole it installs methinks latest, lly
[18:53] catb0t:  back , you can I meant that it better than browsers all , 9 months, of lagers, ales, and end up first example on a s why big thing, hing 
[18:53] stride: lol. wth?
[18:54] mmalecki: catb0t: you're a big Markov generator, aren't you?
[18:54] mmalecki: well, I guess we accidentally.
[18:54] mmalecki: .. 1
[18:54] catb0t: 1
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[18:54] catb0t: tart to join a t h AVE_UTIMES you 'll put , a t reading my link on figure out of those via cluster master and no official docs for basic auth entication 
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[18:54] mmalecki: hahahahaha
[18:54] mmalecki: it has my old nickname there
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[18:55] stride: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tom_Jones_concert.jpg this guy initiated design templates? :)
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[18:56] mmalecki: lolololol
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[18:57] dreamdust: Are there any node projects working on MVVM, such as template languages built for binding date to them?
[18:57] joshsmith: does anyone here use MySQL with Node?
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[18:57] joshsmith: I'm trying to evaluate ORMs
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[18:57] joshsmith: sequelize looks good, but I'd like to hear from others
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[18:58] isaacs: stride: it's not unusual.
[18:59] zomg: dreamdust: dunno if there are any node-specific ones, but I've been using knockoutjs with good results so far
[18:59] mmalecki: zomg++
[18:59] v8bot_:  mmalecki has given a beer to zomg. zomg now has 1 beers.
[18:59] catb0t: zomg now has 1 beer
[19:00] stride: isaacs: huh?
[19:00] mmalecki: https://github.com/mmalecki/nodejs-vs-ror is mvvm, lol
[19:00] dreamdust: Is there any project like knockout.js but that is working on making the templates "reflective"… so instead of <p data-bind="user.name"></p> I would just do <p>{{user.name}}</p> or something to that effect?
[19:00] isaacs: stride: sorry, vague joke.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrwO8b9iq34
[19:01] swaj: dreamdust: backbone with mustache templates?
[19:01] swaj: that said, knockout with jquery templates could so something very similar
[19:01] stride: isaacs: oh, I should have understood that. meh :)
[19:01] dreamdust: swaj: That's not reflective, you would have to declare the binding.
[19:02] isaacs: stride: i love that song, actually.  not because it's a good song -- it's terrible.  but it's the most over the top, happiest sounding thing, and he just casually throws in "I wanna die" occasionally
[19:02] dreamdust: I'm talkign something that automatically binds but without using the "data-bind" attribute, essentially a new kind of template language built for ViewModels
[19:02] swaj: if you do the parsing server-side, you could use mustache
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[19:02] swaj: or if you want to do it client side, you can use a template (again powered by mustache)
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[19:03] zomg: Blah, I wonder if I should just start using () in coffeescript func calls..
[19:03] zomg: Again bitten by it interpreting it differently than I
[19:03] joshsmith: hey, that reminds me, I've been considering the choice between plates and something like Jade
[19:03] mmalecki: isaacs: hey, do you maybe know anything about next node summer camp?
[19:03] swaj: s/start using () in coffeescript func calls../stop using coffeescript/
[19:03] isaacs: mmalecki: mikeal's the guy to bug about tha
[19:03] isaacs: t
[19:03] joshsmith: let's say you have a list of things. normally in my templates I would process in a for loop
[19:04] mmalecki: isaacs: ok, thanks
[19:04] joshsmith: how would you do that in plates?
[19:04] zomg: was wondering why if foo.indexOf item == -1 didn't work.. unsurprisingly, it compiled that to foo.indexOf(item == -1)
[19:04] zomg: :P
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[19:04] mmalecki: joshsmith: map function, I think
[19:04] mmalecki: joshsmith: but don't ask me about implementation, I don't think anyone knows XD
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[19:06] joshsmith: but how would you generate the HTML output correctly then?
[19:06] joshsmith: some other method?
[19:06] joshsmith: I feel like that's an added layer of complexity
[19:06] dreamdust: swaj: That wouldn't allow binding to specific elements? It would just update the whole template. Unless I'm missing something about Mustache.
[19:06] mmalecki: yeah
[19:07] mmalecki: joshsmith: I'll ask people
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[19:07] joshsmith: mmalecki: thanks
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[19:08] swaj: dreamdust: if you're wanting that sort of rich databinding, it's probably best to use knockout or backbone.js.
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[19:08] joshsmith: anyone here use persistencejs?
[19:11] dreamdust: Wouldn't it be useful to write a template engine that worked across client and server that infers the binding without using the "data-bind" attribute? So you just write <p>{{user.name}}</p> and it deals with binding?
[19:11] dreamdust: I guess there's nothing like this yet.
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[19:15] joshsmith: dreamdust: if not, build it!
[19:15] swaj: dreamdust: I believe spine.js does it... not sure about backbone
[19:15] swaj: dreamdust: https://github.com/addyosmani/spine.bitly/blob/master/index.html
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[19:15] swaj: dreamdust: not 100% sure though, worth looking
[19:16] dreamdust: Spine.js is only client side.
[19:16] dreamdust: but yeah
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[19:16] guybrush: i am child_process.spawn'ing a node-process and get "node: src/unix/stream.c:346: uv__write: Assertion `stream->fd >= 0' failed." on stderr -- what does it mean?
[19:17] guybrush: (node@0.6.5) https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/v0.6.5/deps/uv/src/unix/stream.c#L346
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[19:22] insin: 
ACTION wonders if he could bend his template engine to do that

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[19:25] daGrevis: hey again! what packages do I need to use Socket.IO on client-side? you see, i have socket.io and socket.io-client from NPM, but I can't get it working.
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[19:26] daGrevis: I have this on client-side: <script src="node_modules/socket.io-client/lib/socket.io-client.js"></script> . File exists, but JS console of Chrome gives me "Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'parseUri' of undefined"
[19:27] daGrevis: in that file, of c
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[19:30] `3rdEden: daGrevis https://github.com/LearnBoost/Socket.IO/wiki/How-do-I-serve-the-client
[19:31] stagas: `3rdEden: what's the status on engine.io?
[19:32] `3rdEden: stagas rauchg can answer that better then me
[19:32] `3rdEden: 
ACTION gives rauchg a subtile poke

[19:32] daGrevis: `3rdEden, it gives me "GET http://127.0.0.1:1337/socket.io/socket.io.js 404 (Not Found)". That was the first path I tried. I don't have any idea why it doesn't work!
[19:32] `3rdEden: is socket.io running on port 1337?
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[19:32] daGrevis: yes, it is
[19:33] `3rdEden: are you running with the default configuration?
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[19:33] `3rdEden: have you attached socket.io as last on your HTTP server?
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[19:37] daGrevis: `3rdEden, thanks
[19:37] daGrevis: `3rdEden, for 'attached socket.io as last on your HTTP server?'
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[19:37] `3rdEden: :)!
[19:38] svnlto: is there a quick way to find out whether npm is installed properly or not. ive sometimes got trouble loading a few modules
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[19:39] daGrevis: `3rdEden, btw, do I need socket.io-client as well?
[19:39] isaacs: svnlto: what's the trouble?
[19:39] `3rdEden: daGrevis yes
[19:39] daGrevis: okay, thanks
[19:39] isaacs: svnlto: if npm works at all, then it's installed properly, i'd think
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[19:39] isaacs: svnlto: but you can do `npm config ls` to show its setting
[19:40] insin: hmm... you could try to be clever when rendering, or have something else which explicitly indicates the parent element should be bound, like {{user.name}} (no bind) and [[user.name]] (bind)
[19:40] svnlto: isaacs: for instance, i run npm install winston ( seems fine ) but my script that requires winston fails saying it cant find the module
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[19:44] isaacs: svnlto: when you install it, your'e doing this locally?  into your project?
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[19:44] svnlto: no -g flag
[19:44] svnlto: yes
[19:45] isaacs: svnlto: does `npm ls` show it?
[19:45] isaacs: or rather, can you gist the output of `npm ls`?
[19:45] svnlto: isaacs: sure. 1 sec
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[19:47] svnlto: isaacs: https://gist.github.com/1431106
[19:48] isaacs: svnlto: ; userconfig /Users/svenlito/.npmrc
[19:48] isaacs: global = true
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[19:48] isaacs: svnlto: your .npmrc file is making everything global
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[19:48] isaacs: svnlto: npm config del global --local
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[19:49] svnlto: isaacs: ok i ran the last cmd
[19:49] isaacs: then install whatever you need for your project, or `npm link` it if you want to use what's installed globally
[19:50] isaacs: svnlto: also, unsafe-perm is not really a great idea
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[19:51] svnlto: cool thanks for your help. I'll make sure I'll go through the docs again. it's been a while since ive read them. seems like i should again.. :)
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[19:52] isaacs: svnlto: `npm faq` is a good start
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[19:57] TheJH: cool stuff I built this weekend: network event visualization for node which can even show what events belong together http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iSDwAb8XEA
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[19:58] tanepiper: TheJH: nice!
[19:58] tanepiper: kind of reminds me of the Mario Paint music maker
[19:58] cjm: NodeUp: A special npm deep dive show will be LIVE in 5min. Join us, http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nodeup and in #nodeup
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[20:00] TheJH: tanepiper, :D
[20:00] joshsmith: woohoo, just submitted a fix to peristencejs
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[20:02] lxsameer: have any one used socket.io with rabbit.js before
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[20:06] dieselz82: I'm iterating over an array and inserting each row into a mysql database.  Because of the async nature, the ids of the inserts are different from the array.  Is there a way to force the inserts to complete before doing the next one?
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[20:07] dieselz82: *the ids of the inserts are in different order from the array
[20:07] VesQ: how can I escape console output so that my bell won't ring when I receive \7 to console?
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[20:15] joshsmith: dieselz82: what are  you using to use mysql?
[20:16] dieselz82: joshsmith: https://github.com/felixge/node-mysql
[20:16] joshsmith: dieselz82: have you thought about using an odm?
[20:16] dieselz82: whats that?
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[20:16] joshsmith: object-database mapper
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[20:16] dieselz82: ah, i know it by ORM
[20:17] wojohowitz: think odm is Object document mapper
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[20:17] dieselz82: how would that solve my problem?
[20:17] wojohowitz: for document db's like mongo or couchdb
[20:17] joshsmith: wojohowitz: yeah, you're right
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[20:18] joshsmith: dieselz82: it would help generally to make your code more maintainable, but not your problem in particular
[20:19] joshsmith: dieselz82: why do you need the ids to be the same?
[20:19] dieselz82: not the same, just in order
[20:19] joshsmith: well, why in order?
[20:19] dieselz82: and for my current use case, I value speed over simplicity
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[20:20] dieselz82: the data is time oriented in nature, i'd like it to be stored in the database in date order
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[20:20] dieselz82: it's not a huge deal, it would just be cleaner
[20:21] dieselz82: and since the id is going to be indexed anyways, i could do queries based on newer or older data by id instead of adding an index to the timestamp field
[20:21] whitman: dieselz82, you can specify the id in the insert, it won't break as long as there isn't already a row with that id.
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[20:22] dieselz82: whitman: could do that, but there's gotta be some way to force synchronicity 
[20:23] whitman: Got a callback for when the insert is done? Insert the next row at that point.
[20:23] joshsmith: yeah, that's the only thing I can think of
[20:24] dieselz82: whitman: hmm interesting, almost a recursive function which iterates through the array.  I think I'll try that.  thanks for the idea
[20:24] joshsmith: I honestly don't think you're going to lose much performance by indexing the timestamp, though
[20:24] dieselz82: yea, i'd just like the table to be structured logically
[20:25] joshsmith: ah, I feel ya
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[20:25] joshsmith: that recursive function feels a little dirty to me, but so does dirty data
[20:25] joshsmith: so I'm torn :)
[20:26] dieselz82: personally, i value database integrity over code integrity
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[20:26] dieselz82: you can always re-structure code, you can't always do the same with the databae
[20:26] joshsmith: I'm inclined to agree
[20:27] joshsmith: you should check out persistencejs at some point, though, if you need an ORM
[20:27] joshsmith: it's pretty nice
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[20:27] wojohowitz: >>trying hard to resist preaching NOSQL :)
[20:27] purr: wojohowitz: SyntaxError: Unexpected identifier
[20:27] joshsmith: I think NoSQL's nice, I just don't think it's right for every problem
[20:28] dieselz82: joshsmith: will do, thanks for the suggestion
[20:28] dieselz82: my use case right now is going to store relational data in mysql and the rest in redis [which will be 99% of the data]
[20:28] joshsmith: dieselz82: beware, though. if you npm install it before my pull request gets merged, you're going to find a nasty backwards-compatability issue
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[20:29] joshsmith: it doesn't work with node-mysql > 0.9.1
[20:29] dieselz82: ruh roh
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[20:29] dieselz82: will keep that in mind
[20:29] joshsmith: but you can just use my fork and require it differently
[20:29] joshsmith: in the meantime
[20:30] johnnywengluu: someone build a VagrantUp for node.js =)
[20:33] dieselz82: does anyone else think that npm makes it very difficult to ensure that an environment is setup properly?
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[20:34] dieselz82: am i right that it's impossible to include npm modules without installing first with root permissions and then linking locally?
[20:35] TheJH: dieselz82, no, wrong
[20:36] TheJH: dieselz82, "npm install modulename", done
[20:36] dieselz82: and the node_modules folder has to be in the same directory as the script thats running?
[20:36] joshsmith: no
[20:37] dieselz82: hmm apparently i have no idea how it works then. to the manual i go
[20:37] TheJH: dieselz82, same directory or a directory above it
[20:37] joshsmith: npm works its way up the tree
[20:37] joshsmith: all the way up to your base app file
[20:37] dieselz82: can the files be submitted to git, pulled on another server, and its good to go?
[20:37] joshsmith: if it's not found there, then it can't find the module
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[20:38] joshsmith: dieselz82: most people usually put node_modules in a .gitignore
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[20:38] dieselz82: im not a fan of creating that dependency between the app and the environment
[20:39] joshsmith: dieselz82: you can specify your dependencies in your package.json
[20:39] joshsmith: for example, in nodejitsu, when deploying, jitsu will install all the dependencies using npm by scanning the package.json
[20:40] dieselz82: i see, i suppose I could just build that into my deploy script
[20:41] joshsmith: you could save yourself the trouble of rolling your own and even deploy your app with jitsu
[20:41] joshsmith: it's open source
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[20:41] joshsmith: dieselz82: https://github.com/nodejitsu/jitsu
[20:41] dieselz82: sweet
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[20:45] cjm: if you missed it, NodeUp is live right now, npm deep dive episode. http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nodeup and in #nodeup
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[21:10] Layke: How do I figure out the version of something via npm?
[21:11] isaacs: Layke: npm ls
[21:11] Layke: Thanks isaacs  :)
[21:11] Layke: CAnd to update, it would be like
[21:11] Layke: npm update socket.io 
[21:12] Layke: If I wanted to update socket.io for instance. 
[21:13] chilts: yep, that's it
[21:14] Layke: Okay great :) That fixed it.
[21:14] Layke: Been troubleshooting socket.io for an hour
[21:14] Layke: Works in FF, but not in Chrome. 
[21:14] Layke: I guess it was a change in the ws:// protocol.
[21:14] Layke: Updating has fixed Chrome now. 
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[21:26] lxsameer: can some one help me to understand the rabbit.js work flow 
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[21:31] Industrial: https://gist.github.com/288f19ed623f5e90a477 :(
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[21:39] dieselz82: mjr_: are you around? I'm having the same problem as https://github.com/mranney/node_redis/issues/35 and I'm wondering if thats still the best practice for dealing with it?
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[21:42] johnnyluu: ls
[21:42] johnnyluu: oops
[21:42] johnnyluu: damn weechat
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[21:54] trevorsheridan: Just published my first NPM package! http://search.npmjs.org/#/more
[21:54] SubStack: hooray!
[21:54] trevorsheridan: :) pretty stoked about it
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[21:55] SubStack: releasing software is pretty fun
[21:56] joshsmith: trevorsheridan: nice name!
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[21:57] trevorsheridan: joshsmith: thanks! one of my friends actually came up with it.
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[21:58] chilts: trevorsheridan: yay, good stuff :)
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[22:20] daGrevis: Another noobish question about Node and Socket.IO.
[22:20] daGrevis: http://pastie.org/2966544
[22:20] daGrevis: When to use io.sockets.emit and when I can simply use socket.emit
[22:21] mjr_: dieselz82: I'm here, but I'm battling a big production issue right now, so I don't have time I'm afraid.
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[22:21] dieselz82: mjr_: no problem, i *think* i figured it out, but not using the idle event - good luck with your issue
[22:22] pekim: Help, I think I just screwed up https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Modules . I only added one line, or at least I thought I did.
[22:23] pekim: But I appear to have done something else. I can't find a regular commit-like diff, so I can't figure out what I did wrong.
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[22:26] pekim: I did only add one line. https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/_compare/0e829b35b3db1e52b7159ff77941e5199e6a88d8...580010a267f3903dea939299233d1a0b2313026f So I must have violated the markdown syntax somehow, but I can't see how.
[22:28] pekim: Oh well, I've reverted the change.
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[22:36] pekim: Figured it out, I needed to switch to textile (instead of markdown).
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[22:46] megalomix: hello everybody
[22:47] megalomix: can I get a strange help? :D
[22:47] megalomix: How can I write it following the FORM utilized by Node application ? I refer to syntax, tabulations etc etc:   https://gist.github.com/1431543
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[22:54] guybrush: big party-pooper :/ https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/2254
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[23:16] avi_flax: Hi all, I'm looking for some help with determining the progress of a transfer via HTTP
[23:16] avi_flax: I haven't been able to figure out how to do so accurately
[23:16] avi_flax: code here: https://gist.github.com/1431609
[23:17] avi_flax: I make a request like this:    curl -i -# -o /dev/null http://localhost:3000/
[23:17] avi_flax: and my node program show 100% progress when curl is showing only about 50%
[23:17] avi_flax: basically the node progress is "hasty" — it goes much faster than the actual transfer
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[23:19] eeemsi: hi
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[23:19] eeemsi: i am running in a sql logic error, but can't the mistake =( 
[23:20] eeemsi: http://pastebin.com/1UrdcRjn
[23:20] shedinja: anyone know why /^ab|c$/.test('abc') => true? I thought the pipe was an OR but it's accepting both ab and c
[23:21] eeemsi: *can't find…
[23:21] avi_flax: eemsi what error are you getting?
[23:21] djcoin: Hi all, a more 'javascript' than node question; Differences between new Array and Array(), is Array() okay ?
[23:21] eeemsi: avi_flax: events.js:48
[23:21] eeemsi:         throw arguments[1]; // Unhandled 'error' event
[23:21] eeemsi:                        ^
[23:21] eeemsi: Error: SQLITE_ERROR: SQL logic error or missing database
[23:22] avi_flax: eemsi: can you paste the whole stack trace/
[23:22] thepatr1ck: djcoin: no difference as far as I recall, but you might as well just use []
[23:23] eeemsi: avi_flax: thats it
[23:23] djcoin: thepatr1ck: yep, I do use [] and {}, but Array is a function, so that can be pretty handy
[23:25] avi_flax: eeemsi: well it looks like your program is only trying to create the DB
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[23:25] djcoin: bye, thanks for the answer thepatr1ck 
[23:25] eeemsi: avi_flax: oh wait… what?
[23:25] avi_flax: so I'd suggest checking the docs for that sqlite lib, to see how it's supposed to be used
[23:25] djcoin: g2g
[23:26] avi_flax: eeemsi: unless I'm seeing this wrong, the only function you're calling is goforit, which only calls create_db and then the program is done
[23:27] eeemsi: avi_flax: no its not done by then
[23:27] eeemsi: it is calling create_table and insert_db. it stops at the output of "started reading from the database"
[23:28] avi_flax: eeemsi: maybe i'm missing something but on line 49 you call goforit() which calls create_db() and create_db() doesn't call anything else
[23:28] avi_flax: oh wait
[23:28] avi_flax: i am missing something
[23:28] avi_flax: the callback
[23:28] avi_flax: sorry
[23:28] eeemsi: hey we thought the same (oh wait)
[23:28] eeemsi: ^^
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[23:29] eeemsi: avi_flax: there is a test.db-journal … 
[23:29] avi_flax: eeemsi: it's strange that youre not getting a more useful trace
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[23:29] avi_flax: eeemsi: what's in it?
[23:29] eeemsi: but the database is empty
[23:29] eeemsi: the test.db-journal consists of the things that should be in the database
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[23:30] mjr_: isaacs_: you around?  Having trouble figuring out what's wrong here:  https://gist.github.com/1431648
[23:30] avi_flax: eeemsi: what's the deal with the odd statement on line 21?
[23:30] avi_flax: eeemsi: I don't know sqlite well but that looks like invalid SQL
[23:31] eeemsi: it is putting that (lets call it) weird something i times into the database
[23:32] eeemsi: oh…
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[23:33] eeemsi: the database is not empty 
[23:33] eeemsi: strange
[23:34] avi_flax: eeemsi: I guess I can't help, sorry, good luck
[23:34] eeemsi: avi_flax: thx for the help anyway
[23:34] avi_flax: can anyone help me with determining the progress of a transfer via HTTP?
[23:34] isaacs_: mjr_: looks like an issue wiht the hiredis build script?
[23:34] mjr_: isaacs_: figured it out, turns out I have https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1716
[23:34] isaacs_: mjr_: i think it used to put stuff in ./build/default and now it's in ./out/Default?
[23:34] isaacs_: or something liek that
[23:35] mjr_: something that the node 0.6 installer leaves behind confuses node-waf
[23:35] mjr_: If you install node 0.6 with make install, then want to go back to node 0.4 with make install, you will be sad.
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[23:36] isaacs_: oh, yeah, you need to ./configure again
[23:36] isaacs_: maybe make distclean, as well
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[23:37] mjr_: I had to make uninstall
[23:37] mjr_: from node 0.6
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[23:40] Leemp2: Odd question.. but when dealing with node.js child_process, has anyone experienced.. "Error: Binary module support disabled for security reasons" ?
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[23:42] toddmorrill: anyone out there know of any sites impementing fb chat api?
[23:42] toddmorrill: [6:41pm] toddmorrill: i want to see it from an end user experie
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[23:45] eeemsi: oh yeah i solved my problem! 
[23:45] eeemsi: i was missing a db.run('BEGIN'); in the function create table
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[23:53] leahciMic: Has anyone had any trouble running Node on EC2 or Xen? Recently I updated to v0.6.3, and got an invalid opcode: 0000 error. 
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[23:58] leahciMic: is everyone sleeping ?
[23:58] tuhoojabotti: No
[23:59] leahciMic: who would be the best person to ask about issues with Node running on Xen?
[23:59] tuhoojabotti: Github
[23:59] leahciMic: lol
[23:59] leahciMic: i assume the irc channel is useless
[23:59] tuhoojabotti: Very much so