[00:00] domino14: thats true. the username/timestamp is plain text, it's just sorta amazing to me how it's untamperable
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[00:00] domino14: well.. without quantum computers
[00:01] mattrobenolt: It is… for however large your window is with the expiration time. ;)
[00:01] mattrobenolt: But in most cases, those urls aren't really exposed to a user to even have knowledge of it.
[00:01] mattrobenolt: What we use it a lot for is when kicking data over to a third party service that has callback hooks.
[00:01] mattrobenolt: Like, Twilio.
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[00:02] domino14: ah
[00:02] mattrobenolt: Because technically we have to expose a public url for Twilio to hit on an incoming call.
[00:02] mattrobenolt: So we sign the values we send it to know if they're legit.
[00:02] mattrobenolt: And we sign cookies so they can't be tampered with.
[00:04] mattrobenolt: We also use signed session ids in urls for Node since the requests may be coming from a completely other domain that can't read a cookie.
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[00:04] mattrobenolt: In that case, they'd have to know somebody elses session id and signature to act as someone else, which is highly unlikely.
[00:05] mattrobenolt: The person would have to go out of their way to make themselves vulnerable, and in that case… fuck it. It's like giving someone your password.
[00:06] domino14: aha
[00:07] mattrobenolt: If you're using it as a part ofa public url, yes, you should shove in a timestamp and hash the whole thing. Then there's a small window where it's vulnerable. That's how the S3 private files work.
[00:07] mattrobenolt: You make a signed request with a timestamp, and you can view the file… authenticated as whomever, for that window of time.
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[00:08] domino14: you would still have to go out of your way to give someone else that hash
[00:08] domino14: and i'm using SSL so i think it shouldnt leak
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[00:12] mattrobenolt: You'll be fine.
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[00:15] teadict: stop tricking people into using node.js telling them they'll be fine
[00:15] teadict: you won't! it's a nightmare
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[00:15] mattrobenolt: I wouldn't say it's a nightmare. It has it's uses.
[00:15] sineltor: its great. you'll be fine.
[00:16] domino14: ?
[00:16] teadict: lawl
[00:16] deoxxombie: juuuust fine
[00:16] mattrobenolt: It's not a swiss army knife, but for specific things, it's not bad.
[00:16] domino14: ive only been using it for a day, and ive already bumped into many non working examples. but its ok.
[00:16] SubStack: if you don't know javascript then you probably won't be very good at it
[00:16] sineltor: its getting more swiss army knife attachments every day
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[00:16] domino14: i think node.js is a pretty cool guy
[00:17] deoxxombie: eh abstracts your event loop and doesn't afraid of anything
[00:17] mattrobenolt: It's cool, it's fun, it can do nifty things in a short amount of time. Performance and memory usages are adequate enough for most people.
[00:17] domino14: deoxxombie: exactly
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[00:18] mattrobenolt: It'll easily get you to a next step. I haven't deployed Node into an environment where there are 100k+ concurrent users yet, so I can't attest to how well it scales at that point or if things need ported to another language such as Scala or Erlang.
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[00:18] mattrobenolt: And I don't think it's been out in the wild enough for people to be comfortable with it on that scale either.
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[00:19] domino14: if we're at teh point where there 100K concurrent users i think we'll have enough money to hire someone who can migrate it to the next level
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[00:19] mattrobenolt: Exactly.
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[00:19] mattrobenolt: I look at Node as an absolutely excellent stepping stone. A stepping stone that will get you very very far.
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[00:20] mattrobenolt: It's quick and easy to pick up and most projects don't need to get into that level of concurrency. Anything 10k concurrent or less can more than likely run on one server pending the complexity of the app it's running.
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[00:20] mattrobenolt: Anything above that, you can easily load balance between a cluster of running instances.
[00:20] domino14: yeah my app lends itself well to sharding too
[00:21] domino14: so i think eh is definitely a pretty cool guy
[00:21] dwasp: plus it's new so you can charge a lot of money for consulting
[00:21] mattrobenolt: Redis is your best friend when it comes to clustering.
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[00:21] domino14: yeah, using Redis pubsub to talk to node.js
[00:21] mattrobenolt: Just store everything in Redis instead of local memory, and you're good to go. Redis can easily handle like, 60k ops per second.
[00:22] domino14: it kicks so much ass
[00:22] domino14: i got a very basic example working in a few hours despite never touching node.js before
[00:22] mattrobenolt: We use Redis all over. As storage, cache, and pubsub.
[00:22] domino14: with your awesome crypto help i might even get something working by tonight
[00:22] mattrobenolt: Exactly. You'd never get that that quickly in Erlang or Scala or any of the other serious platforms.
[00:23] mattrobenolt: I treat those as the next step. When shit's really going down. Twitter relatively recently switched their entire backend to Scala. And Facebook uses Erlang for the backend of their chat.
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[00:24] dwasp: yeah because the jabber server was already written for them
[00:25] mattrobenolt: It just emulates the Jabber protocol.
[00:25] mattrobenolt: For outside connections, like Adium or anything else that hooks in externally.
[00:25] franksalim: i believe v8 is faster than erlang for most workloads
[00:25] mattrobenolt: At least that's how it is from my understanding. I don't work there, obviously.
[00:25] franksalim: so i'm not sure why erlang would be "next level"
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[00:26] mattrobenolt: franksalim: I honestly don't know enough about Erlang to make a solid comment.
[00:26] franksalim: no problem
[00:26] mattrobenolt: That comment isn't based on real life experience. Just how things are perceived.
[00:27] mattrobenolt: At the point where I'm serving an app with 100M+ users, I'm sure all aspects will be assessed severely. Until then, Node is doing just fine.
[00:27] mattrobenolt: A little cluster of instances running behind nginx is handling well.
[00:27] franksalim: when you have 100M users, you'll care more about benchmarks than perception :)
[00:27] mattrobenolt: Exactly.
[00:27] franksalim: or you'll hire someone who does
[00:28] franksalim: to care for you
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[00:28] mattrobenolt: I meant perception of the industry. Erlang and Scala are just typically looked at as the high performance enterprise async tools, blah blah blah. People tend to think of Node as a toy.
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[00:29] torm3nt: that's because it's new
[00:29] mattrobenolt: But in that instance, everything is evaluated and whatever comes out on top would obviously be used. Node is a great tool to get to that evaluation.
[00:29] torm3nt: rails was thought of as a toy as well until it started pushing in the big boys' league
[00:29] sineltor: yeah. ruby too. And python, back in the day.
[00:29] torm3nt: yup
[00:29] mattrobenolt: Yeah, only time will tell.
[00:29] sineltor: yeah.
[00:29] franksalim: unix, or so the history tells me
[00:29] sineltor: heh
[00:29] torm3nt: node is good for web apps, but not good for computations
[00:29] franksalim: x86
[00:30] mattrobenolt: As far as I know, nobody is using Node in some ridiculously high scale yet.
[00:30] torm3nt: linkedin is
[00:30] franksalim: everything we take for granted today was fresh and untrusted at some point in the past
[00:30] domino14: mattrobenolt: you mention nginx . i know that cant proxy websockets. are you just using long polling? does it work fine?
[00:30] sineltor: nodejs is getting pretty mature though
[00:30] torm3nt: they moved from rails to node
[00:30] mattrobenolt: For what aspect?
[00:30] torm3nt: their mobile app/web
[00:30] mattrobenolt: domino14: nginx can proxy websockets with a patch.
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[00:30] torm3nt: they said they were able to scale down their infrasturcture from 15 servers/cluster to 4 servers/cluster to handle load
[00:30] torm3nt: that's an impressive change
[00:30] mattrobenolt: https://github.com/yaoweibin/nginx_tcp_proxy_module
[00:31] mattrobenolt: That works well.
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[00:31] mattrobenolt: Ahh, nice! I didn't know LinkedIn was using it. Do you know roughly how much traffic they're serving through their mobile?
[00:31] teadict: trying to confirm my view of a real time app.. generic structure would be to socket.io everything performing database operations on the server side functions that are called by the clients; functions which shoot the client side function when done databasing.. right?
[00:31] teadict: it's like ajax but no, but dynamics are similar
[00:32] teadict: all this using express as middleware.. right?
[00:32] mattrobenolt: domino14: If you're using SSL with websockets, AKA wss, you can do it as well if you slap stunnel in front to terminate the SSL. Again, that works well and is in production right now on a Facebook game we deployed.
[00:32] teadict: (instead of socket.io, I'll use nowjs)
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[00:33] teadict: am i rite or not?
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[00:36] torm3nt: not sure matt, they didn't give stats - but linkedin isn't exactly small
[00:36] domino14: in a matter of a day i went from virulent hatred of node.js (mainly because of javascript) to unabashed love
[00:36] torm3nt: lol
[00:36] torm3nt: the only thing i hate about node.js, is javascript.
[00:36] torm3nt: god I hate javascript's syntax
[00:37] domino14: it really knows how to leverage the best parts of js
[00:37] torm3nt: no matter how neat you keep it, it still looks like spaghetti
[00:37] teadict: torm3nt: it hates you back
[00:38] torm3nt: liar, that would imply that javascript has emotions, which is impossible as a material human creation.
[00:38] Dulak: you've just hurt javascript's feelings.  You monster!
[00:38] torm3nt: :)
[00:38] konobi: baudehlo: any reason you couldn't write a sane pipe wrapper around qmail-queue?
[00:39] teadict: torm3nt: how dare you, I swore I've seen Arrays cry over being called useless
[00:39] torm3nt: haha
[00:39] teadict: specially by hash tables
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[00:49] monokrome: Hey, all.
[00:50] monokrome: Does anyone here know a good module that can let me stream specific Twitter status updates from a specific user?
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[00:51] AvianFlu: monokrome, http://github.com/AvianFlu/ntwitter
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[00:52] AvianFlu: make yourself a user stream, pass the user's id to 'follow'
[00:52] monokrome: ah
[00:52] monokrome: No way to just watch my profile for any updates?
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[00:54] AvianFlu: you can use a curl command to just basic auth yourself to the streaming api
[00:54] AvianFlu: could replicate that with request
[00:54] AvianFlu: pretty easily
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[00:54] AvianFlu: but a user stream will watch your profile
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[00:55] AvianFlu: as opposed to statuses/filter which is a sampling of the public feed
[00:55] AvianFlu: dev.twitter.com is your friend here
[00:56] monokrome: Cool, thank you for your help.
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[00:56] AvianFlu: np
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[00:58] monokrome: AvianFlu: Does Twitter create the callback URL?
[00:59] monokrome: s/Twitter/ntwitter/
[01:00] AvianFlu: what are you doing that you want a callback url?
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[01:00] monokrome: Creating an application is just asking me for one.
[01:00] AvianFlu: oh yeah, right
[01:00] AvianFlu: it's optional in your case
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[01:00] monokrome: Ah, okay. Cool!
[01:00] AvianFlu: unless you have a specific jsonp need... god help you 
[01:01] monokrome: Thank you
[01:01] monokrome: nope :)
[01:01] AvianFlu: sweet then
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[01:25] echoSMILE: any relation between html5 websockets and node.js ?
[01:25] bnoordhuis: echoSMILE: they both got drunk at the same party once
[01:26] bnoordhuis: apart from that, no, not much
[01:27] ChrisPartridge: echoSMILE: if you want to leverage websockets with node.js checkout socket.io
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[01:27] echoSMILE: bnoordhuis :P ChrisPartridge tks
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[01:28] franksalim: bnoordhuis: that is too funny!
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[01:29] bnoordhuis: franksalim: thank you! i'll be here all night!
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[01:29] ChrisPartridge: boom boom tshhh
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[01:31] domino14: does anyone know how node_redis achieves event-based mechanics for pubsub? as far as i know pubsub listen is blocking. how is it that it can connect to the redis server and not block when subscribed?
[01:32] Aria: The redis connection blocks. Node doesn't.
[01:32] Aria: To node, it's just a message arriving.
[01:32] domino14: isnt there some limit to how many redis connections will be blocking?
[01:33] Aria: (The connection blocking means the connection can't do anything else; node not blocking means that it can however move on and just wait for the event.)
[01:33] Aria: Sure. How many sockets can you open to redis? that many.
[01:33] chilts: yeah, node just idles when nothing is happening, it doesn't block :)
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[01:34] Aria: There's limits -- Redis's per-connection overhead, node's per-connection overhead, the OS's limit on file descriptors.
[01:34] domino14: i want to have an open connection per user
[01:34] domino14: a pubsub subscription per user. makes it simpler.. but that may be bad?
[01:34] prudhvi: Hi, i have a json object that looks something like this {"@": Obj}, which i get after parsing from xml. Now, how should i extract the Object member?
[01:34] Aria: Could have just one pubsub subscription and have the user's name be part of the message.
[01:35] domino14: yeah.. just thought of that. how do i associate a client with data in node.js
[01:35] Draggor: prudhvi: yourVar['@']
[01:35] Aria: Also: you can block on many queues in a single command on a redis connection
[01:36] prudhvi: Draggor: i get undefined if i access it that way
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[01:37] Aria: (It's expensive to listen to too many all at once, so don't break and rejoin that connection too much.)
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[01:37] Draggor: prudhvi: pastie.org your code
[01:37] prudhvi: This is the JSON data i get back {"@":{"xmlns":"http://queue.amazonaws.com/doc/2009-02-01/"},"ListQueuesResult":{"QueueUrl":"https://sqs.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/xxxxxyyyyy/foooo"},"ResponseMetadata":{"RequestId":"c1ca46c0-9e95-47c2-84b7-cd7a18e89bb9"}}
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[01:38] Aria: Hah. Wow.
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[01:38] Aria: Someone stuffed XML into JSON. Who knew! Warts and all!
[01:39] prudhvi: Aria: i wouldn't use if if stupid Amazon provided a JSON API :)
[01:39] jerrysv: aria: realtors fill xml data with csv's
[01:39] Aria: Oh, I'm well aware.
[01:39] Draggor: prudhvi: pastie.org code
[01:39] jocafa1: <rage/>
[01:39] chilts: prudhvi: are you using node-awssum?
[01:39] franksalim: Aria: do you know JSONx?
[01:39] chilts: I haven't yet uploaded it to npm yet though : https://github.com/appsattic/node-awssum/
[01:39] chilts: it's definitely usable
[01:40] chilts: prudhvi: I've done the whole of the SQS service
[01:40] prudhvi: chilts: i am using aws-lib which uses xml2js and sax
[01:40] chilts: fair enough
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[01:40] Aria: franksalim: No, thankfully.
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[01:42] franksalim: It's well worth a laugh. "JSONx is an IBM� standard format to represent JSON as XML."
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[01:42] domino14: i am using socket io — i have socket.sockets.on('connection', function(client) { …. } )
[01:42] domino14: is there some way to associate data with a client?
[01:42] jerrysv: waiting for JSONSOAP
[01:43] monokrome: AvianFlu_: I set up a stream that is set to 'follow: "monochrome", track: "monokro.me"' and then I tweeted "Testing monokro.me Twitter integration" and nothing happened. Is that not the proper way of doing this? http://d.pr/rw2h
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[01:44] domino14: apparently redis pubsub has a problem with slow users
[01:45] domino14: if i'm just using node.js to subscribe to pubsub, even if the user's connection is slow, node should take care of it right? (i mean, messages will not be backed up between redis and node)
[01:45] Aria: If you let Node receive them promptly, yes!
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[01:46] Aria: (as in, don't pause the input stream)
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[01:47] domino14: will client.send(message) pause the input stream? 
[01:47] domino14: client is what gets passed into socket.sockets.on('connection')
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[01:53] Aria: Nope. pipe can, if the thing you pipe into is slow
[01:53] Aria: Or if you pause it explicitly.
[01:54] gkatsev: anyone ever tried parsing wtmp files using node?
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[01:55] blueadept`: any node peeps in LA here?
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[01:57] JakeyChan_: what's the project that yahoo work on with node.js ?
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[01:57] jerrysv: JakeyChan_: mojito/manhattan?
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[02:01] JakeyChan_: yes
[02:01] JakeyChan_: I found it 
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[02:04] JakeyChan_: is it cool ? 
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[02:23] Guest8342: Hey.  I've got a Rails 3.1 app that is basically just serving a backbone.js app right now.  I'm trying to move over to Node and my current hang up is that I can't get my backbone.js files bundled.
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[02:24] Guest8342: I'm currently trying to use browserify and hitting a wall... is there some kind of recommended spockets type thing if I don't want to tackle commonjs?
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[02:30] SubStack: Guest19637: "tackle" commonjs?
[02:31] SubStack: Guest19637: you mean pollute the global namespace with the exports from all the files?
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[02:32] chilts: I think Guest8342 left
[02:33] SubStack: oh lame
[02:33] SubStack: why do people do that >_<
[02:33] chilts: yeah, I was gonna reply, then stopped myself
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[02:48] tonymilne: Anyone from nodejitsu here?
[02:50] SubStack: tonymilne: a lot of people are and there's also #nodejitsu
[02:51] tonymilne: Sweet. Was hoping to find out if their node-http-proxy handled https and if so, in what way?
[02:51] SubStack: it does
[02:51] SubStack: tonymilne: check out the "using https" section on the readme
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[02:53] tonymilne: SubStack, would i be right in assuming that having the load balancer run as https and offloading to just http node express servers (using cluster) would be appropriately secure?
[02:54] SubStack: should be
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[03:06] c4milo: meh
[03:06] c4milo: I think console.log in 0.4.12 has a race condition 
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[03:17] baudehlo: konobi: you mean write something in C around it?
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[03:31] bnoordhuis: llrcombs: probably the spam bot earlier today
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[03:42] SrPx: I can send a callback function to fs.readFile. but how I can send an extra argument to that callback function? that is: fs.readFile('bla.txt',function (err,data,response) {blabla}). Note that response is an extra argument because the callback is usually called with just 2 arguments.
[03:43] Daegalus: thoughts? http://developer.yahoo.com/blogs/ydn/posts/2011/11/yahoo-announces-cocktails-%E2%80%93-shaken-not-stirred/
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[03:51] wtfcoder: is there a high level library for interfacing with an amqp broker (rabbitmq). node-amqp is very low-level (akin to pika etc..), i need something more like Python or Ruby's carrot?
[03:52] pizthewiz: perhaps naïve, but how does one get a buffer of a stream's content?
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[04:18] bnoordhuis: SrPx: callback.bind({foo:42}), then refer to this.foo inside the callback
[04:18] SrPx: o.o
[04:18] SrPx: thank you very much.
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[04:19] SrPx: is bind a javascript native function?
[04:19] bnoordhuis: SrPx: yes
[04:22] SrPx: so it inserts every element of an object in a function... ? and, suppose I do the following: calback.bind({foo:42}); readFile(callback); callback.bind({foo:33});
[04:23] context: what
[04:23] context: srpx: no. wrong
[04:23] SrPx: the third statement is called before readFile calls callBack. what will be the value of foo when callback calls it? (in other words, I am passing a copy of the function or theres just 1 function obj)?
[04:23] SrPx: wrong?
[04:23] context: it exects said function in the context of said object
[04:23] SrPx: what? o.o
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[04:24] SrPx: i said too many things . what is wrong exactly? (:
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[04:24] context: err i might be wrong
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[04:25] swc|666: god damn node is fast
[04:25] context: im thinking of call and apply :x
[04:25] SrPx: wait i hadnt saw what you said. but now i did and didnt undersand heh
[04:26] SrPx: what do you mean with it exects said function in the context..
[04:26] context: srpx: nm what isaid
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[04:28] SrPx: =/
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[04:28] SrPx: thats ok.
[04:29] SrPx: im reading about it
[04:29] SrPx: thank you
[04:29] paul___: hi all
[04:29] context: srpx: im sure you could print foo in the callback and see how it works...
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[04:30] paul___: i use express and mongoose and my express server is configured to run over https with a key and cert… recently for some reason, my mongodb commands (like Model.find()) seem to just not work and don't produce any errors. anyone know why this is? when i remove https the mongoose commands work just fine
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[04:32] paul___: the cert hasn't expired or anything
[04:32] CIA-109: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r8974ba3 10/ test/simple/test-net-pipe-connect-errors.js : 
[04:32] CIA-109: node: test: fix simple/net-pipe-connect-errors
[04:32] CIA-109: node: When trying to connect to something that is not a UNIX socket, Linux returns
[04:32] CIA-109: node: ECONNREFUSED, not ENOTSOCK.
[04:32] CIA-109: node: We cannot atomically determine if the other end is a) a stale socket, or b) not
[04:32] CIA-109: node: a socket at all, so let's accept both error codes. - http://git.io/CBOhqA
[04:34] paul___: actually scratch that
[04:35] paul___: it looks like the mongoose command just happened to work sometimes
[04:35] paul___: does anyone know anything about this? it can be so frustrating. no errors, no problems with mongo that i found… it just doesn't work!!
[04:39] CIA-109: libuv: 03saghul 07master * r677bb70 10/ src/uv-common.c : Added missing error codes to uv_err_name - https://github.com/joyent/libuv/commit/677bb70bfb6378a68da8438c62b1061b2bea57ab
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[04:40] paul___: ne1?
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[04:48] tonymilne: Any way to load balance nodejitsu's node-http-proxy for redundancy / high availability reasons?
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[05:10] ryanrolds_w: Anyone use bufferstream?
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[05:34] secoif: paul___ there's #mongoosejs and a mongoose mailing list that may help https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/mongoose-orm
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[06:04] Nuck: GUYS
[06:04] Nuck: We passed the 500-to-go mark against Rails
[06:05] Nuck: We now have 469 watchers left until we overtake Rails
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[06:43] ryanrolds_w: Exporting 1 million records from a geospatial database to a csv through Node.
[06:43] ryanrolds_w: 25 columns per record.
[06:44] context: do it !
[06:44] ryanrolds_w: Almost done ;) At the 700k mark.
[06:44] ryanrolds_w:  [ geospatial server -> node ] -> [ node -> report server ]
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[06:45] ryanrolds_w: All data exchange between the vms is in node.
[06:45] context: :/
[06:45] context: why not just let report server hit db directly
[06:45] Nuck: context: Because it would make far too much sense
[06:46] context: nuck: ahh. gotcha
[06:46] ryanrolds_w: geo spatial server doesn't touch the outside world.
[06:46] context: knew i was missing something
[06:46] context: the report server isnt sitting inches away from the db server ?
[06:47] Nuck: context: Nah, it's probably a few U lower
[06:47] Nuck: MAybe 4 or 5U away
[06:48] yuwang: --help
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[06:53] context: nuck: call of authorities ! they probably shouldn't even have node talking that far away without something in the middle
[06:53] context: ryanrolds_w: you guys should consider some sort of pubsub server in the middle
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[06:54] Nuck: Node + Redis?
[06:54] context: yap !
[06:54] context: only way to be safe
[06:54] ryanrolds_w: The issue is the guy with the phd that is writing the geopatial server can't be trusted do cross server communication right.
[06:54] context: what ?
[06:54] ryanrolds_w: academics. 
[06:55] context: the DBA where i work cant be trusted in the DB either. thats why i give him read only access to the database (im actually being serious)
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[06:56] ryanrolds_w: A co-worker (the dba) is asking if it's a real db or just mongodb or redis.
[06:56] context: so... some dude can't be trusted with the data, but he is allowed to access the data through a node server
[06:57] ryanrolds_w: All external traffic is sent through node for validation and authentication. 
[06:58] ryanrolds_w: http://censusviewer.com/
[06:58] ryanrolds_w: We have a JS client that chats with a node instance that is the gatekeeper for the geospatial storage engine.
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[06:59] ryanrolds_w: The gatekeepers have to chat with other node instances and such, like the report server.
[06:59] ryanrolds_w: It kind of an odd setup, I agree, but it working quite well.
[07:00] ryanrolds_w: *it's
[07:00] ryanrolds_w: All of the non-google layers on that page are generated on the fly.
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[07:04] konobi: baudehlo: sure... even bash
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[07:11] JakeyChan: hi ? do you have good library to build form ?
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[07:14] Lingerance: What?
[07:15] JakeyChan: like that http://neyric.github.com/inputex/
[07:15] JakeyChan: form builder
[07:15] JakeyChan: not only with html to build form,
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[07:19] aashay: hi folks…does anyone here know of a good example of a simple chat persistence (online/offline/away/etc) implementation backed by socketio and redis, specifically using connect-redis as the session store?
[07:20] aashay: i'm sure I should be asking this in #redis (and I will) but I figure i'd try my luck here anyways
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[07:32] eddyb: dammit
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[07:33] eddyb: why couldn't you write uv in C++?
[07:33] eddyb: now I'm stuck with no-catch lambdas
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[07:41] abraxas: Any node-memcached users around?
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[07:44] abraxas: I'm seriously wondering if the normal use case is to just make a single Memcached instantiation, and reuse that all the time?
[07:44] abraxas: versus creating a new one for each asynchronous operation (read: incoming user request)
[07:44] abraxas: reuse seems to make sense...
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[07:52] Lingerance: abraxas: That's how I do my DB-stuff in node, don't see why memcached would be different
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[07:53] abraxas: i don't do that with mysql, myself, because i use transactions (although i am aware they are not officially supported by node-mysql)
[07:53] abraxas: plus..
[07:54] abraxas: if you use only a single connection in your entire node process, it will seriously slow you down
[07:54] abraxas: (on mysql anyway...)
[07:54] abraxas: if you have a long running query, no others can be dealt with.
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[07:54] Lingerance: 
ACTION does LB

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[07:55] Lingerance: Opening a connection for every request just seems silly to me.
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[07:56] abraxas: how does load balancing help?
[07:56] abraxas: it's still one query at a time per connection
[07:57] abraxas: opening only one connection for queries that can be parallelized is highly inefficient
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[07:57] abraxas: so i guess my question regarding membase/memcached is: can queries be run in parallel?
[07:58] abraxas: while i wait for a response to query A, can i already fire off query B?
[07:59] abraxas: Ah, the man himself just came online
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[07:59] abraxas: `3rdEden: hi Arnaut, you around?
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[08:02] Marko: what is a nice handy way to get array/list of arguments to url query?
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[08:02] Industrial: Marko: use express
[08:02] Industrial: :p
[08:02] Jinmo: abraxas: i think you can
[08:02] Jinmo: see https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/modules
[08:02] Marko: id like to make it happen on coffeescript
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[08:03] Industrial: CS compiles to JS, I dont see the problem
[08:03] abraxas: Yeah, I think node-memcached has an internal connection pool, and just assigns a connection to a query whenever available
[08:03] abraxas: Very elegant solution, I think.
[08:04] abraxas: Not sure yet if it's "blocking" per connection...
[08:04] Industrial: Marko: console.log req.params, req.body ?
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[08:04] abraxas: As in, fire a query on connection A, and A is now unavailable until a response has been received.
[08:04] Marko: rawurlencode($parameter) "=" rawurlencode($value) "&"
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[08:05] Marko: this is basicly what I want, ported from php code. it should be easy, just iterate thru array of params, but this is my second or third day on node.js so :)
[08:06] abraxas: encodeURIComponent
[08:06] abraxas: just like in the browser
[08:06] `3rdEden: abraxas a bit
[08:06] abraxas: :)
[08:07] abraxas: Could you share a bit of insight into the node-memcached connection pool? I see there's something like a writeQueue, but I actually don't see any code creating that queue, only checking it.
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[08:20] mmalecki: ryah: ping?
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[08:23] eddyb: mmalecki: well, it's 4AM there
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[08:23] mmalecki: eddyb: yeah, I'm aware, but he's a programmer, right?
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[08:24] abraxas: lol
[08:24] abraxas: he just got back from japan, maybe still jetlagged :)
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[08:25] eddyb: mmalecki: programmer != coffee-powered non-stop code machine
[08:26] mmalecki: eddyb: you're lying.
[08:26] mmalecki: eddyb: please, tell me you're lying.
[08:27] eddyb: I'm not lying
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[08:28] mmalecki: eddyb: my carefully chosen stereotypes just got destroyed.
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[08:30] lzskiss: yo
[08:32] `3rdEden: abraxas is done here: https://github.com/3rd-Eden/node-memcached/blob/master/lib/connection.js#L115-134
[08:32] abraxas: `3rdEden: I don't see writeQueue anywhere in that block?
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[08:33] abraxas: `3rdEden: oh right, you mean the pool logic, got it
[08:33] abraxas: `3rdEden: so is it one query per connection?
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[08:33] abraxas: `3rdEden: or can they interleave?
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[08:34] `3rdEden: abraxas the connection pool inspects the state of the net.Stream
[08:34] `3rdEden: to see if it's able to write to it
[08:35] `3rdEden: so it's not a query per connection
[08:35] abraxas: so when i do 2 gets at the same time and they hit the same connection, and the 2nd one is sent before the 1st one received a response, all is still well?
[08:35] abraxas: that's great
[08:35] `3rdEden: yes that could be the case abraxas
[08:35] abraxas: lovely :) dankjewel
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[08:38] eddyb: funny thing: I build at -j40 on an i3
[08:38] eddyb: and get no CPU lag
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[08:42] abraxas: `3rdEden: is there no setMulti btw?
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[08:44] `3rdEden: abraxas nop
[08:45] `3rdEden: you want to set multiple keys with the same value?
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[08:45] abraxas: { key: value, key2: value2 } i imagine…
[08:46] `3rdEden: Could work.
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[08:46] Marko: what is the difference between encodeURIComponent and escape?
[08:46] mmalecki: when I try to listen on a non-socket, I get uncaught exception, I guess it isn't expected?
[08:46] abraxas: that's what they do: http://php.net/manual/zh/memcached.setmulti.php
[08:46] abraxas: not telling you to mimic php now all of the sudden, but ..
[08:47] `3rdEden: :p
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[08:48] `3rdEden: abraxas but for it to be effecient it would need to use the binary protocol
[08:48] abraxas: ah, but according to someone's comment there, it actually sends multiple set's
[08:48] `3rdEden: yes
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[08:48] abraxas: how is that different in binary?
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[08:50] eddyb: uhm
[08:50] eddyb: there's buggy code in node
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[08:51] eddyb: I have no idea how this doesn't get tripped in node
[08:51] Nuck: I just told Thunderbird to archive my backlog of messages from the mailing list, so I can keep up more from now on
[08:51] Nuck: It just nearly killed my system
[08:51] eddyb: basically if (!parent.paths) parent.paths = [];
[08:51] Nuck: 11,000 messages
[08:51] eddyb: parent in that case is a string
[08:51] eddyb: setting a property on a string, AFAIK, is bogus and does nothing
[08:52] Nuck: Best part is that 2 new emails came in during the time it took to archive those 11k
[08:52] abraxas: eddyb: technically, it works and can be used to one's advantage… but in this particular case, maybe not what they're trying to do
[08:52] eddyb: abraxas: technically, it doesn't
[08:52] abraxas: damn, you're right
[08:52] eddyb: assigning a property on a string does nothing
[08:52] abraxas: how did that happen
[08:53] eddyb: so someone screwed up
[08:53] eddyb: this is in lib/module.js
[08:53] eddyb: I have no fucking idea why it only trips for my thing, and not for your node
[08:53] abraxas: what version of node are you using?
[08:53] eddyb: TypeError: Cannot call method 'concat' of undefined
[08:54] eddyb:     at Function._resolveLookupPaths (gear:module:223:28)
[08:54] eddyb: abraxas: I'm not using node
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[08:54] eddyb: I'm doing some weird thing using node's source (I'm keeping copyright headers, ofc) and I came across this
[08:54] abraxas: ?
[08:54] abraxas: oh ok
[08:54] abraxas: interesting
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[08:55] eddyb: gear:module is your /lib/module.js (I have two more lines at the start, so subtract those)
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[08:55] eddyb: and I missed a commit
[08:56] eddyb: anyway: https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/lib/module.js#L239
[08:56] eddyb: how the hell that doesn't blow up node every time, I have no idea
[08:57] abraxas: well, it's being called with the module's object
[08:57] abraxas: so it doesn't make sense that it's a string
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[08:58] abraxas: https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/lib/module.js#L372
[08:58] eddyb: it isn't
[08:58] eddyb: it's called with parent
[08:59] eddyb: which can be a string
[08:59] eddyb: https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/lib/module.js#L493
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[09:00] abraxas: you're right
[09:00] abraxas: that's a bug
[09:00] eddyb: does repl work right now?
[09:00] eddyb: like, for latest master, does ./node start repl?
[09:01] abraxas: haven't played with it yet
[09:01] eddyb: because if it does, it's worse: somewhere it's leaking errors
[09:01] abraxas: well, since repl is native
[09:01] abraxas: it wouldn't hit that piece of code
[09:01] abraxas: I think
[09:01] abraxas: (line 231)
[09:02] eddyb: main is required with null as parent
[09:02] eddyb: I think it should be changed for repl, too
[09:02] eddyb: abraxas: yeah, I don't have it included yet, that's most likely why it fails
[09:02] abraxas: that must be it then, for native module, it doesn't care about the parent
[09:02] abraxas: it won't have to do filesystem lookups
[09:03] eddyb: yepp
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[09:03] eddyb: however, someone should replace '.' with null
[09:03] abraxas: still a bit funky it would do ".", but it wouldn't break
[09:03] abraxas: yeah
[09:03] eddyb: Error: Cannot find module 'repl'
[09:04] eddyb: good, that's fixed now
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[09:19] kennon: Howdy
[09:20] kennon: I recently switched to v0.5.10 and it looks like I'm having some sort of memory leak issues
[09:21] kennon: I don't have any idea about how to go about debugging it, but would like to try to find+solve the problem instead of just downgrading
[09:21] kennon: Any known memory issues and/or obvious things I can check? My app is receiving connections via express and then opening a large number of outgoing connections to other web servers
[09:22] kennon: Are there any known issues with the http Agent? I set the maxDefaultSockets to very high because I have quite a few slow outgoing connections
[09:22] kennon: ...but I guess everyone is asleep. Anyone on Euro time like me? :-)
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[09:24] kennon: (note: I didn't have this problem on 0.4.x)
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[09:27] eddyb: great, now I have to implement tick support
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[09:33] lmatteis: Hello all
[09:34] lmatteis: I'm having troubles with unicode. The response body of requests using the native 'http' module, displays question mark characters for unicode chars, instead of their actual value
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[09:35] lmatteis: Here's the code I'm testing: http://codepad.org/XBncn08Z
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[10:20] stagas: lmatteis: you don't need .toString there since you already setEncoding('utf8') it should be chunks of strings
[10:21] lmatteis: stagas: even if i just console.log(chunk); still get weird chars
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[10:33] lmatteis: stagas: would you be able to run that script yourself?
[10:33] lmatteis: in the result there's a specific word that starts with "Pubbl". its last letter is a weird character that shows as a question mark to me, instead of the actual char
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[10:36] TheCode: any difference in using vm and calling eval() ?
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[10:41] stagas: lmatteis: yeah the page also reports as ISO-8859-1 so maybe it's an encoding issue
[10:42] lmatteis: stagas: and where does the issue lay?
[10:45] stagas: lmatteis: maybe this will help https://github.com/bnoordhuis/node-iconv
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[10:51] zipR4ND: hi all, i try to get node.js running on freebsd-arm, no i have a working v8 version 3.0.2, will a recent node.js work woth this version of v8 ? to which version of node.js will i have to go down, to have it work with this version of v8?
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[10:54] bnoordhuis: zipR4ND: 3.0.2 is kind of ancient, i think we last used that in node 0.2.x
[10:55] zipR4ND: hmm
[10:55] bnoordhuis: zipR4ND: current master should build on arm though, including the bundled v8
[10:55] bnoordhuis: it does for me, at least
[10:55] zipR4ND: but i'm on freebsd
[10:55] zipR4ND: this uses oabi
[10:55] bnoordhuis: oh right, you're the oabi guy
[10:55] zipR4ND: we've been discussing this on the dev list
[10:56] zipR4ND: yes :-)
[10:56] zipR4ND: i'm the: freebsd on sheevaplug guy
[10:56] bnoordhuis: that guy :)
[10:56] zipR4ND: hmm, so you think later versions of nodejs will not work with my v8?
[10:56] bnoordhuis: you can try it but i suspect it won't compile out of the box
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[10:57] zipR4ND: ok, maybe with my patches now, i can go up the line of v8 versions a bit further
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[10:58] bnoordhuis: zipR4ND: you could try 0.3.8, that's the last version of node that used v8 3.0.x
[10:59] bnoordhuis: 0.3.x were dev releases but iirc 0.3.8 was pretty stable
[10:59] zipR4ND: k, thanks bnoordhuis
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[11:23] zeta01341: OK, I'm pulling my hair out here. Is anyone here well versed in express middleware? I'm trying to write some, and running into order issues.
[11:24] neednodehelp: Hi everyone, i have installed node using PuTTy and the installation instructions from the github site. Its on my MT (dv) box. Im trying to run the basic server example on the website but its not working.
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[11:27] hdf: Hi.
[11:28] hdf: Anyone know if addCallback is a standard js/v8/node.js thing, or everyone has to create this type of functionality in there own project?
[11:28] emostar: zeta01341: try #express
[11:29] hdf: I have been looking around google for hours now, and cant find anything on how addCallback works.
[11:30] hdf: no, the point is, I would like to create a custom object, wich works synchroniously by defautl, but if i call it with addCallback than it works async.
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[11:30] hdf: or am I misunderstanding something a lot?
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[11:35] benvie: that's something you'd have to implement
[11:36] benvie: because the way it becomes asynchronous is dependent on specific details of each thing
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[11:41] hdf: but where does addCallback come from? I dont see it anywhere defined, in node, or v8, or express.
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[11:42] benvie: well it's definitly not in v8 or node, I know that much
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[11:45] hdf: ok, so than it really isnt anything standard, only some people chose to name something that, and it hapens to look official, but isnt.
[11:45] benvie: that's what it sounds like
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[11:47] hdf: ok, thx.
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[11:53] zeta01341: ugh. #express is being dead. I'm actually not sure it's a problem with express specifically
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[11:54] zeta01341: I think it's related to everyauth's use of Promise, but trying to wade through it means trying to wade through what looks like Connect itself, and that's a complex mess of code I don't understand.
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[12:01] zeta01341: No, it's not a promise issue...
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[12:06] OneOfOne: zeta01341: while i don't use everyauth, but did you try to their github issues page? or what's the error/problem?
[12:06] zeta01341: The middleware provided by everyauth isn't available to other middleware
[12:06] zeta01341: only to my routes
[12:07] zeta01341: it's bizzare. I thought it was an issue with database lag not initializing the session fast enough, but with timeouts it's still calling the functions out of order
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[12:07] zeta01341: For some reason, everyauth's middleware seems to be getting processed right immediately before a route is called, after all the other middleware. Or, this is some other weird magic it's doing that isn't middleware at all.
[12:07] zeta01341: It returns a connect instance, which from tracing seems to return an HTTPSServer
[12:08] zeta01341: I'm still trying to follow the logic here. There are so many libraries involved...
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[12:09] jacobrask: I remember some module that would restart node.js on file change (like nodemon, node-dev etc) but also direct all errors to a systray applet, but I can't remember its name.
[12:09] jacobrask: Anyone?
[12:10] jacobrask: hm, maybe node-dev does that but just not on my system. doh
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[12:10] CIA-109: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r5fd012e 10/ lib/fs.js : fs: don't use octal values, not allowed in strict mode - http://git.io/E-4F7A
[12:11] zeta01341: I usually use run for file watching. What systray applet are you trying to direct the errors to?
[12:12] jacobrask: I needed libnotify-bin, now it works. not applet, sorry, it was just a regular desktop notification
[12:12] jacobrask: that way I can have node-inspector open in Chrome on one monitor and code on another, and if there's some stupid/easy error preventing Node from restarting I can see it immediately without switching to the console running Node
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[12:16] incon: What's the eta on .6 now?
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[12:37] CIA-109: node: 03Jordan Sissel 07master * r358f0ce 10/ (lib/url.js test/simple/test-url.js): 
[12:37] CIA-109: node: url: add '.' '+' and '-' in url protocol
[12:37] CIA-109: node: - Based on BNF from RFC 1738 section 5.
[12:37] CIA-109: node: - Added tests to cover svn+ssh and some other examples - http://git.io/q8iPxQ
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[12:43] lmatteis: could anyone help me with this issue? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8008157/node-js-unicode-issue-with-http-response-body
[12:44] lmatteis: it's driving me mad
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[12:45] xerox: lmatteis: https://github.com/mikeal/request/blob/master/main.js
[12:45] lmatteis: xerox: what about it
[12:46] lmatteis: i have already used the request lib, same output
[12:46] xerox: well for one it's an easier module to use
[12:46] xerox: also it might contain the answer to your riddle
[12:46] lmatteis: xerox: i purposely used the native http library to acknowledge the issue wasn't happening in the require module
[12:47] xerox: have you passed 'encoding': 'utf-8' as one of the properties of the options object to request?
[12:47] lmatteis: yes i have.
[12:48] sineltor: (shouldn't it be encoding: 'utf8' ?)
[12:49] lmatteis: sineltor: it's the same
[12:49] sineltor: ok
[12:49] lmatteis: i tried with both.
[12:50] sineltor: I ran the code in that stackexchange question
[12:50] sineltor: where is unicode in the output?
[12:51] sineltor: oic Pubblicit�<
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[12:52] bnoordhuis: incon: today
[12:52] sineltor: I have a suspicion...
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[12:55] bnoordhuis: lmatteis: google.it serves iso-8859-1, you need to convert it to utf-8
[12:55] lmatteis: bnoordhuis: how?
[12:55] bnoordhuis: lmatteis: check out node-iconv
[12:56] sineltor: most sites you should be able to add 'headers': {'accept-charset': 'utf-8'}
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[13:01] sineltor: they're right
[13:01] sineltor: lmatteis: I changed your script to get this site instead: http://www.i18nguy.com/unicode-example.html
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[13:01] sineltor: - unicode worked fine there
[13:01] lmatteis: sineltor: yes for some site it works, it depends on what the return i suppose :(
[13:02] lmatteis: *they
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[13:02] sineltor: well, that site specifies 'content-type': 'text/html; charset=utf-8'
[13:03] paul__: all: I have a node.js app running an express server & mongoose.. express is hosting via https with cert & key. problem is yesterday I fired up my local server and for some reason none of the mongoose Model calls work. logging out the model, mongoose, etc all show that they're there.. but for some reason calls like Model.find() simply don't seem to run. no errors, no callback.. just no output at all. got kinda frustrating! strangely, i got the 
[13:03] paul__: to work once or twice without changing any of the config. mongo db doesn't seem to have any problems and it's running and i can connect via shell. does anyone know bout this? thanks!
[13:03] sineltor: google.it specifies 'content-type': 'text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1',
[13:03] lmatteis: sineltor: right, instead i need to view that google.it site, so i'm stuck with that charset
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[13:03] sineltor: yep.
[13:04] lmatteis: so :) ?
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[13:06] paul__: (btw i'm running node 0.5.10, express 2.5.0, and mongoose 2.3.8)
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[13:09] baudehlo: konobi: potentially, but then you'd have to deal with temp files, which node doesn't have a core module for either :)
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[13:12] lmatteis: i fixed it by adding response.setEncoding('binary') if anyone is interested
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[13:12] paul__: deedubs says i should use 0.4.12… so i'll give that a try for now
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[13:19] sineltor: lmatteis: what?
[13:19] sineltor: wacky
[13:19] lmatteis: sineltor: i know :|
[13:20] sineltor: I was expecting iconv to be the answer
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[13:25] paul__: does anyone know of a package that does versioned updates/change history with mongoose? similar to what couchedb does (like this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7370833/clean-versioning-change-history-implementation-in-mongoose)
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[13:42] rklancer: I
[13:42] braoru: hello, 3 to 4 days ago I have speak to someone about nodequery + backbone.js and real-time updated graph, but I don't remember who :) Maybe you are here ?
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[13:44] esteth: Hi folks. Anyone have experience with stitch?
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[13:45] esteth: I'm trying to get stitch to compile my eco templates, since it's documented that it can do that for me. However when I point stitch at a directory containing .eco files they don't appear in the output,and I get require() errors in the browser
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[13:47] rklancer: Hi folks with all the answers! Anyone know how to force 'npm install <git repo>' to update to the latest master without having to fool around with version numbers?
[13:47] mape: rklancer: point it to the tar?
[13:47] rklancer: (ie., the way Bundler handles 'git gems' specified in a Gemfile)
[13:48] rklancer: mape: I'll try that although it seems a bit less elegant
[13:48] mmalecki: rklancer: doesn't it work?
[13:48] devdazed: rklancer: you can't point it at a git repo, but you can point it at a git tarball
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[13:48] rklancer: devdazed: actually you can now
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[13:50] maushu: So, anyone here played with lxc?
[13:51] devdazed: rklancer: I'm not sure then. i guess it's been a while since I've updated npm :/
[13:51] rklancer: (of course, deleting node_modules and rerunning npm install does the trick too :)
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[13:51] devdazed: maybe make an alias for that
[13:51] rklancer: yup
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[14:14] esteth: anyone know why the coffee REPL and the node REPL would differ in what they allow me to import?
[14:14] esteth: I can import eco from a node REPL, but not from a coffee REPL
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[14:21] zipR4ND1: nodejs config script doesnt find v8.h from shared v8, although --shared-v8-includes is provided
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[14:51] sineltor: esteth: yeah
[14:51] esteth: sineltor: go on :)
[14:51] sineltor: …. well, one potential source of that: the coffeescript repl doesn't follow symbolic links correctly sometimes
[14:52] sineltor: so if you have a script in /foo/ with dependancies in /foo/node_modules, and its symbolically linked in /bar 
[14:52] sineltor: then if you run it from /bar it'll look in /bar/node_modules but not /foo/node_modules
[14:52] sineltor: its a known issue with coffeescript but nobody has fixed it
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[14:53] sineltor: I don't know if thats *your* issue, but its one I've come across
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[14:55] esteth: aha, thanks :)
[14:56] b_i_d: Hi everyone. Searching for a good idea: In my app there are many plugins. Now I try to build a node-module that auto-loads these plugins, when they needed. It yould be great if I could just use them as plugin.pluginname.function() with "plugin" being the module that handles the loading. Anyone a good idea how to do this?
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[14:57] b_i_d: One idea was to hook to the exception fired when you use a non-existant method of a node-module. 1st: How to do that? 2nd: Is there a better way?
[14:57] sineltor: b_i_d: javascript doesn't have a way to do method_missing
[14:58] sineltor: this is changing with harmony proxies (there is an npm module to do that)
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[14:58] sineltor: I've seen someone change require such that require.foo lazily requires 'foo'
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[14:59] b_i_d: The thing is that my app is an artificial intelligence. There would be a HUGE number of these plugins and it would be wasting resources to load all of them at boot.
[15:00] b_i_d: Boot time is already several seconds as it is. ;)
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[15:01] sineltor: b_i_d: then … look up harmony proxies
[15:01] b_i_d: Will do.
[15:01] sineltor: http://search.npmjs.org/#/node-proxy
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[15:03] hkjels: if I have a property 'user.name'. Can I retrieve an object-value using that string?     obj[property] obj.property does not work
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[15:04] hkjels: I get a solution where I have a get method that does this, but it just doesn't feel right
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[15:04] hkjels: I have even
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[15:04] b_i_d: @sineltor That looks perfect. Thanks a lot. I figured I wasn't the first one with that problem. Just couldn't find the right google terms. ;) 
[15:05] sineltor: hkjels: I don't understand what you are trying to do
[15:05] sfoster: obj['user.name'] if its obj = { 'user.name': 'some name' }
[15:05] sineltor: b_i_d: :) np
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[15:06] hkjels: sfoster: it's more like obj = { user: {name: 'some name'} }
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[15:06] sfoster: but if its obj= { user: { name: 'some name' }} then you need to split 'user.name', and walk down the object heirarchy. 
[15:06] hipsterslapfight: obj['user']['name'] ? :v
[15:07] mmalecki: hkjels: writing a module for doing it :)
[15:07] hkjels: that's what I have done, but I feel it's not proper
[15:07] hkjels: I guess it is then
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[15:07] sineltor: var key = 'user.name'; var parts = key.split(/\./); val = val[k] for k in parts
[15:07] sineltor: (ok that last part was coffeescript - I got lazy)
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[15:08] mmalecki: hm, how should I call it?
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[15:08] garrensm_: lmatteis: did you get the request stuff sorted out?
[15:09] sineltor: 
ACTION sighs

[15:09] robinduckett: ?
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[15:10] sineltor: var obj = {'user':{'name':'mmalecki'}}; var key = 'user.name'; var parts = key.split(/\./); for(var i = 0; i < parts.length; i++) {obj = obj[k];}
[15:10] sineltor: -> obj is 'mmalecki'
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[15:11] mmalecki: sineltor: modulify everything!
[15:11] sineltor: er, 'k' at the end there should be parts[i] instead
[15:11] sineltor: mmalecki: thats your job. I'm just some guy on IRC who should go to bed, because its 2am :)
[15:11] mmalecki: sineltor: haha :D
[15:12] zipR4ND1: hi all, i try to configure node.js with an extern libv8 but it doesn't find v8.h althoug it has the path
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[15:18] lmatteis: garrensmith: yes, i needed to set the encoding to 'binary'
[15:18] lmatteis: for whichever reason that worked
[15:19] garrensmith: lmatteis: oh wow thats interesting. Didn't think of that. Nicely done
[15:19] lmatteis: garrensmith: i also asked a questioned and answered: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8008157/node-js-unicode-issue-with-http-response-body
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[15:23] lzskiss: yo
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[15:29] CIA-109: node: 03Bert Belder 07reviewme * r189dd8f 10/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Fix line endings and trailing whitespace - http://git.io/kBbdNg
[15:29] CIA-109: node: 03Bert Belder 07reviewme * r6ee73a2 10/ (src/node.cc src/node.h): Windows: ErrnoException shouldn't mix up crt and win32 errors - http://git.io/43Upmw
[15:29] CIA-109: node: 03Bert Belder 07reviewme * r35f4182 10/ src/node.cc : Make error reporting from node::DLOpen more consistent - http://git.io/bwtT-g
[15:29] CIA-109: node: 03Bert Belder 07reviewme * rdd5f4fc 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): process._debugProcess - http://git.io/Ucn94g
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[15:31] Glenjamin: lmatteis: sounds like the response isn't actually coming back in utf8
[15:31] Glenjamin: curl says this: Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
[15:31] lmatteis: Glenjamin: right
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[15:33] lmatteis: Glenjamin: but shouldn't setting the encoding to utf8 handle also ISO?
[15:33] Glenjamin: potentially the chunk is split midway through the character?
[15:33] lmatteis: while i need to set it 'binary' to have it working
[15:33] sineltor: Glenjamin: interesting - I wonder if concatenating the chunks before .toString()'ing them would fix that
[15:34] baudehlo: no, utf8 != ISO-8859-<anything>.
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[15:35] trose: is there a text editor that does syntax highlighting for jade documents? jade + javascript highlighting would be awesome. I'm so sick of staring at black text
[15:35] mmalecki: trose: vim.
[15:36] mmalecki: trose: https://github.com/digitaltoad/vim-jade
[15:36] trose: mmalecki, really? nice.
[15:36] mmalecki: trose: and if you're looking for some neat setup: https://github.com/mmalecki/dotfiles/tree/master/vim/bundle
[15:36] trose: i usually use geany but there's no support for jade
[15:36] baudehlo: trose: textmate and sublime text 2. https://github.com/miksago/jade-tmbundle
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[15:37] annoyance-bot: trose when all else fails just use some random syntax like css
[15:37] annoyance-bot: haha
[15:37] baudehlo: I *highly* recommend Sublime text 2.
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[15:37] annoyance-bot: that's what i do for unsupported langs
[15:37] annoyance-bot: why the hell is my nick annoyance-bot
[15:37] hipsterslapfight: sublime text 2 is great, finally got me off of textmate
[15:37] pransalad: +1 for sublime
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[15:39] baudehlo: yup. I finally got sick of waiting for tm2.
[15:39] joemccann: Should i just use browserify for node-markdown module to run in the client or is there a markdown lib for the client with same api?
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[15:39] baudehlo: I thoroughly suspect tm2 is going to be the biggest let down the world ever saw :)
[15:40] maushu: tm2?
[15:41] baudehlo: TextMate 2.
[15:41] maushu: Ah, textmate.
[15:41] baudehlo: It's the new Duke Nukem.
[15:41] zipR4ND1: can noone tell me what's wrong with this line  : ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --shared-v8 --shared-v8-includes=./v8includes/ --shared-v8-libpath=/usr/local/lib --shared-v8-libname=v8 ?
[15:41] zipR4ND1: v8.h isnt found, although it's in ./v8includes/
[15:41] baudehlo: The only thing I wish Subl had is editing over sftp.
[15:42] baudehlo: I currently use fuse and sshfs but it's painfully slow.
[15:44] joemccann: anyone
[15:44] joemccann: bueller
[15:44] joemccann: node-markdown in the browser
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[15:47] bnoordhuis: zipR4ND1: maybe run ./configure with --verbose
[15:47] zipR4ND1: bnoordhuis: thxx
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[15:48] yobi: Is there a Jekyll for node.js?
[15:48] zipR4ND1: bnoordhuis: Checking for header v8.h                 : 15:47:54 runner system command -> ['/usr/bin/g++', '-DHAVE_OPENSSL=1', '../test.cpp', '-c', '-o', 'default/test_1.o']
[15:48] zipR4ND1: not found 
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[15:49] bnoordhuis: zipR4ND1: it doesn't seem to be checking your v8includes dir
[15:49] zipR4ND1: hmm, did i use the right parameters?
[15:49] bnoordhuis: zipR4ND1: what happens if you run `CXXFLAGS=I$PWD/v8includes ./configure --verbose # etc`?
[15:49] zipR4ND1: its 0.3.8 btw
[15:49] bnoordhuis: sorry, `CXXFLAGS=-I$PWD/v8includes ./configure --verbose # etc`
[15:51] zipR4ND1: ?
[15:51] zipR4ND1: do you mean env CXXFLAGS -I$PWD/v8includes && ./configure --verbose?
[15:51] bnoordhuis: without the &&
[15:51] bnoordhuis: oh, you're probably using ksh, right?
[15:52] bnoordhuis: export CXXFLAGS=... and the ./configure line as a separate command
[15:52] zipR4ND1: k
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[15:57] zipR4ND: bnoordhuis: Checking for header v8.h                 : 15:57:20 runner system command -> ['/usr/bin/g++', '-I/root/workbench/joyent-node-9c9f5b3/v8includes', '-DHAVE_OPENSSL=1', '../test.cpp', '-c', '-o', 'default/test_1.o']
[15:57] zipR4ND: 15:57:20 runner system command -> ['/usr/bin/g++', 'default/test_1.o', '-o', '/root/workbench/joyent-node-9c9f5b3/build/.conf_check_0/testbuild/default/testprog', '-L/usr/local/lib', '-Wl,-Bdynamic', '-lv8']
[15:57] zipR4ND: not found 
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[16:07] floody: hello
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[16:21] willwh_: hey guys - I see a bunch of options for ircbots in node.js
[16:21] willwh_: any recommendations? :]
[16:21] mmalecki: willwh_: kohai
[16:21] willwh_: awesome, mmalecki thank you!
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[16:22] mmalecki: willwh_: :)
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[16:22] mattrobenolt: isaacs: ping
[16:22] isaacs: hiya
[16:22] isaacs: just replied to you on the githubs
[16:22] mattrobenolt: Hey, sorry about that commit. I didn't even look to see what the .destroy() method was. :)
[16:23] isaacs: no worries.
[16:23] isaacs: that's what reviews are for :)
[16:23] isaacs: i'm in a hurry to get it working asap so it can be in 0.6, though.
[16:23] mattrobenolt: Yeah, I didn't even run it. I just stuck it in and called it a day, haha
[16:23] mattrobenolt: So I should just clear out the listener for 'end' and 'error' and we're good?
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[16:25] mattrobenolt: https://gist.github.com/ba33b02823fcc9141b57 ?
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[16:28] isaacs: mattrobenolt: is that engine object ever exposed?
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[16:28] isaacs: mattrobenolt: ie, is it possible that the user could listen to error, and then have their listener removed, as wel?
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[16:30] Glenjamin: bah, where's TJ
[16:30] Glenjamin: the lightweight "qs" module includes its test dependencies in the npm package
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[16:30] isaacs: mattrobenolt: ok, i see, no it isn't exposed.  removing all listeners is safe.  i withdraw my comment.
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[16:31] mattrobenolt: isaacs: Yeah, it's all internal.
[16:31] annoyance-bot: Glenjamin they're dev-deps
[16:31] isaacs: right.
[16:31] annoyance-bot: 
ACTION tj

[16:31] isaacs: k, that's fine, then
[16:31] annoyance-bot: 
ACTION dont ask

[16:31] Glenjamin: annoyance-bot: nope, they're packaged 
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[16:31] annoyance-bot: shouldn't be
[16:31] annoyance-bot: im looking right at it
[16:32] isaacs: mattrobenolt: so... if you fix the destroy() thing, and replace it with .removeListener explicitly (as in your gist), then I think the only issue is that compressString(engine, str, cb) should probably be compressBuffer(engine, buf, cb), since it's not actually going to always be a string.
[16:32] annoyance-bot: i'll republish the latest
[16:32] annoyance-bot: in case it was an npm thing
[16:32] Glenjamin: ah cool
[16:32] isaacs: annoyance-bot: you'er tj?
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[16:32] annoyance-bot: haha yeah
[16:32] isaacs: annoyance-bot: your bot's name seems kind of annoying.
[16:32] isaacs: i'm immediately negatively predisposed to it.
[16:32] annoyance-bot: my connection keeps dropping so linkinus is assigning me new names
[16:32] mattrobenolt: isaacs: Good, call, I'll fix all of the "str" variable references as well.
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[16:33] annoyance-bot: (starbucks)
[16:33] isaacs: ah, yes.
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[16:33] Glenjamin: "npm info qs" has no devDependencies listed, tarball includes "support/"
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[16:33] annoyance-bot: Glenjamin sounds like an old one maybe
[16:33] annoyance-bot: 0.3.1
[16:34] Glenjamin: yeah, 0.3.1 is the latest on npm
[16:34] isaacs: Glenjamin: i don't see anything in support on my end.
[16:34] isaacs: npm view qs dist.tarball | xargs curl -s | tar zt
[16:34] isaacs: run that ^
[16:34] isaacs: only 12 items.
[16:34] Glenjamin: weird
[16:35] isaacs: package/.gitmodules package/.gitignore package/benchmark.js package/examples.js package/History.md package/index.js package/Makefile package/package.json package/Readme.md package/lib/querystring.js package/test/parse.test.js package/test/stringify.test.js
[16:35] isaacs: Glenjamin: what version are you getting?
[16:35] Glenjamin: i'll delete and re-install
[16:35] isaacs: maybe it's something that isn't the latest
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[16:35] isaacs: just doing `npm install qs` should clobber it
[16:35] Glenjamin: npm ls said 0.3.1
[16:35] isaacs: hmm...
[16:35] isaacs: weird
[16:35] Glenjamin: actually, i remember what i did
[16:36] Glenjamin: cp -R connect/node_modules/qs mymodule/node_modules/qs
[16:36] Glenjamin: i was on a train
[16:36] isaacs: there ya go :)
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[16:37] isaacs: npm should really not try to hit the registry (or at least, not mind failing to hit the registry) if it's got the thing in cache
[16:37] Glenjamin: which means the "qs" in connect has support/ somehow :s
[16:37] isaacs: that's kind of dumb.
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[16:37] isaacs: keep meaning to fix that, and keep not doing it.
[16:37] annoyance-bot: Glenjamin it says >= 0.3.1
[16:37] annoyance-bot: in the package.json
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[16:37] annoyance-bot: but that could have been older in your installed connect of course
[16:38] Glenjamin: i've established it was definitely my bad
[16:38] Glenjamin: but not why :D
[16:38] Glenjamin: but yeah, offline mode for npm would be cool
[16:38] annoyance-bot: i have stale stuff all the time
[16:38] annoyance-bot: since i dont do npm update
[16:38] annoyance-bot: too often
[16:39] mattrobenolt: isaacs: Updated.
[16:39] isaacs: kewl
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[16:40] mattrobenolt: Let me know if there are any other issues.
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[16:43] mmalecki: isaacs: btw, I've replicated npm registry. now when I try to update it, all updates fail with 401. is there any way I can walk it around?
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[16:43] TheJH: mmalecki, you mean, when you restart replication?
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[16:43] mmalecki: TheJH: yeah
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[16:44] mmalecki: TheJH: (I'm using mikeal's replicate)
[16:44] isaacs: mmalecki: that's a 401 coming from your own server, i'd imagine.
[16:44] mmalecki: isaacs: yes, from my couch
[16:44] isaacs: mmalecki: are you in admin party?  if not, you must supply an admin username and password.
[16:44] TheJH: mmalecki, you might want to check whether it's maybe still replicating?
[16:44] isaacs: a 401 is definitely you not logging in properly.
[16:44] isaacs: it needs authentication.
[16:44] TheJH: ah, right
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[16:44] mmalecki: isaacs: the weird thing is, I am in admin party
[16:45] isaacs: mmalecki: that's 100% a couch error, then, sorry.
[16:45] isaacs: no idea.
[16:45] TheJH: mmalecki, sure? are you using futon or the cli?
[16:45] TheJH: s/cli/raw http api/
[16:45] mmalecki: TheJH: futon. there's a warning in the right panel
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[16:45] TheJH: mmalecki, what kind of warning? also, are you still in admin party when you F5?
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[16:46] mmalecki: TheJH: yes. I will gist you couch logs, give me a sec
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[16:47] TheJH: mmalecki, did you try turning it (couch) off and on again? :P
[16:48] mmalecki: TheJH: :D
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[16:52] mmalecki: TheJH: https://gist.github.com/f85bcdc4f91cf9543d22 <- something like that, just repeated
[16:53] mmalecki: and futon looks like: http://i.imgur.com/VWxiG.png
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[16:53] TheJH: mmalecki, you're replicating in the right direction, right?
[16:54] isaacs: mattrobenolt: hey
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[16:54] TheJH: mmalecki, maybe it's a couch bug? try making an admin, logging in and restarting replication
[16:54] mmalecki: TheJH: of course I am
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[16:54] TheJH: mmalecki, maybe you should ask in #couchdb
[16:54] isaacs: mattrobenolt: so, not sure if i'm reading this right, but it looks like the exports.unzip, inflate, gunzip could use the same compressBuffer function.
[16:54] mmalecki: TheJH: possibly. I will try later
[16:54] isaacs: just provide an Unzip() as the engine
[16:55] CIA-109: node: 03Bert Belder 07master * r189dd8f 10/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Fix line endings and trailing whitespace - https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/189dd8f8034213d476e79845ad43563eb934fcf9
[16:55] CIA-109: node: 03Bert Belder 07master * r6ee73a2 10/ (src/node.cc src/node.h): Windows: ErrnoException shouldn't mix up crt and win32 errors - https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/6ee73a2fee78eeda8eb5d171dbf0b9d13ce54119
[16:55] CIA-109: node: 03Bert Belder 07master * r35f4182 10/ src/node.cc : Make error reporting from node::DLOpen more consistent - https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/35f4182cee079e2c481dc436f5ea97966957def8
[16:55] CIA-109: node: 03Bert Belder 07master * r829735e 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Implement process._debugProcess - http://git.io/hNZPfw
[16:55] mmalecki: btw, isaacs' couch fails to replicate without mikeal's replicate
[16:55] CIA-109: node: 03Fedor Indutny 07master * rb5d32d4 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[16:55] CIA-109: node: debugger: do not request `continue` on connection
[16:55] CIA-109: node: * Updated test
[16:55] CIA-109: node: * Use `node debug file`, not `node debug -e "..."` in test - http://git.io/t4Ayrw
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[16:55] mmalecki: I mean, I can't replicate it using couch's built-in replication
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[17:00] CIA-109: node: 03Fedor Indutny 07master * r8ef2c13 10/ test/simple/test-debugger-repl.js : fix debugger-repl test - http://git.io/fnyTKQ
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[17:04] isaacs: mattrobenolt: https://github.com/isaacs/node/commit/8e2a468e38407b8569508437619190ee9a7c1648
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[17:04] mmalecki: TheJH: I can't create anything, so not a replication-specific issue
[17:05] TheJH: mmalecki, only in the registry or also in other dbs?
[17:05] mmalecki: TheJH: registry only
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[17:06] TheJH: mmalecki, what's your couchdb version? did you install latest from svn or a tarball/fedora package?
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[17:07] mmalecki: TheJH: brew, it's 1.1.0
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[17:08] mmalecki: I remember getting it to work on Fedora, though
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[17:08] TheJH: mmalecki, I'm using 1.2.0a-1156355 from svn and it worked the last time I tried
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[17:09] mattrobenolt: isaacs: You're right.
[17:09] TheJH: mmalecki, did you try creating an admin?
[17:09] mattrobenolt: It wasn't like that when I first wrote it, then things were converted to purely working with buffers. Now it all uses the same thing. :)
[17:09] mattrobenolt: Good catch.
[17:09] isaacs: mattrobenolt: that happens sometimes, it's a good sign :0
[17:09] mmalecki: TheJH: not yet
[17:10] isaacs: so, i'm going to squash this all into one and get a review from someone else.  since i touched the code, i'm no longer eligible to have the final say on it :)
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[17:10] mattrobenolt: isaacs: haha, fair enough. Hopefully it makes it in. I'd like to use it for a project I'm writing. :)
[17:10] TheJH: mmalecki, sorry for the confusion, I only tried it with an admin user
[17:10] mmalecki: isaacs: btw, your registry can't be replicated with built-in replication
[17:10] isaacs: mattrobenolt: i also updated it to use Gunzip for exports.gunzip(), rather than everything using Unzip
[17:11] isaacs: mmalecki: weird.
[17:11] mmalecki: TheJH: hm, ok, I will give it a go later
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[17:11] isaacs: and added {in,de}flateRaw() methods
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[17:11] mattrobenolt: isaacs: Is there a reason for that? Doesn't Unzip calculate which method to use?
[17:11] isaacs: mattrobenolt: yeah, but if you're explicitly calling gunzip, you probably want it to error if it's a deflate file.
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[17:11] isaacs: if you want to auto-detect, then you can call zlib.unzip()
[17:11] mattrobenolt: Gothcha. I err'd on the side of it just working no matter what.
[17:12] mmalecki: isaacs: on couch 1.1.0, os x it fails with "{"error":"json_encode","reason":"{bad_term,{nocatch,{invalid_json,<<>>}}}"}"
[17:12] isaacs: mmalecki: yeah, i've seen that.  can't fix or investigate right now.  talk to JasonSmith, he's the iriscouch guy.
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[17:12] mmalecki: isaacs: ok, no problem :)
[17:13] mattrobenolt: isaacs: Hence why I just set them all up as an alias. ;)
[17:13] mmalecki: JasonSmith: ping?
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[17:18] zmbmartin: how do I delete all files in a directory?
[17:18] mmalecki: TheJH: it works on Couch 1.0.2 on Fedora
[17:19] Sembiance: zmbmartin: rm -rf <dir>  ? :)
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[17:19] mmalecki: zmbmartin: rimraf
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[17:20] Sembiance: zmbmartin: fs.rmdir("/path");
[17:21] mmalecki: hm, cool, brew has couch 1.1.1, updating now
[17:21] zmbmartin: Sembiance: ;) thanks I was looking at the wrong version of docs
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[17:21] isaacs: mattrobenolt: you signed the cla?
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[17:22] mattrobenolt: Yep.
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[17:22] isaacs: kewl
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[17:25] mattrobenolt: isaacs++
[17:26] mattrobenolt: isaacs: Thanks for the help. :) First code in Node core.
[17:26] isaacs: nice, welcome :)
[17:26] mmalecki: mattrobenolt++
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[17:28] lzskiss: yo
[17:28] JaKWaC: Anyone a sublime text 2 user? I can't seem to find how to "goto matching bracket"
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[17:31] zmbmartin: JaKWaC: ctrl - m
[17:31] JaKWaC: Thanks!
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[17:33] m4rcs: Hey how do i access the x-real-ip property https://gist.github.com/08784d20c149a109ff3d
[17:33] DTrejo: hi #node.js
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[17:33] CIA-109: node: 03Matt Robenolt 07master * r5213c39 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[17:33] CIA-109: node: Close #1930 Convenience methods for zlib
[17:33] CIA-109: node: This is a combination of 20 commits. Their commit messages are preserved
[17:33] CIA-109: node: below for the benefit of future generations.
[17:33] CIA-109: node: * Adding a shortcut to easily compress/decompress a string of text.
[17:33] CIA-109: node: * Making the API consistent. unzip should accept a Buffer for input as well.
[17:33] CIA-109: node: * Adding docs.
[17:33] isaacs: mattrobenolt: thanks!
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[17:46] mmalecki: shit. I accidentally my git branch. commits are still there, though. how do I restore it
[17:46] mmalecki: ?
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[17:47] KiNgMaR: accidentally what?
[17:47] mattrobenolt: What's the recommended utility to monitor your node processes?
[17:47] mattrobenolt: monit?
[17:47] TheJH: mmalecki, you just have to create a file in .git/refs/heads/
[17:47] TheJH: mmalecki, filename is the branch name, content is full hash
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[17:48] mmalecki: TheJH: nice, thanks
[17:48] TheJH: mmalecki, hmm... I guess you could also just checkout the commit and create a new branch :D
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[17:49] TheJH: but it's interesting to do it manually, too :D
[17:49] mmalecki: haha, definitely :D
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[17:49] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: git checkout -b your-branch <commit>
[17:49] TheJH: bnoordhuis, that's the boring way :D
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[17:52] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: that's not how real man do it :D
[17:52] isaacs: wait wait wait, you guys use the git command line utility?  pussies.
[17:52] isaacs: just cat to the ref files yourself.
[17:52] isaacs: jeez.
[17:52] robinduckett: isaacs: wait wait wait, you use something other than the git command line? pussy.
[17:52] DTrejo: I write my git commands in assembly
[17:52] bnoordhuis: i always edit the pack files with ed
[17:53] isaacs: robinduckett: i just pipe from stdout using >
[17:53] robinduckett: I send my git commands via carrier pidgeon
[17:53] isaacs: and <
[17:53] isaacs: lol
[17:53] isaacs: 
ACTION is indeed a pussy

[17:53] robinduckett: via TCP/Carrier Pidgeon
[17:53] isaacs: 
ACTION doesn't even use git directly most of the time, instead favoring various bashrc shortcuts.

[17:54] robinduckett: TCP/CP as defined by RFC1149 (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt)
[17:54] shedinja: i have my maid type my git commands
[17:54] annoyance-bot: isaacs haha me too
[17:54] annoyance-bot: too much
[17:54] annoyance-bot: i forget the real commands
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[17:54] isaacs: i always have to do declare -f when someone asks how to do something in git
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[17:56] mmalecki: I store my repos on punched cards.
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[18:00] mmalecki: btw, can we get this pulled/fixed before v0.6? https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/1934
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[18:02] mmalecki: (it messes up node-prompt and probably pretty much every other prompt module pretty badly)
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[18:09] vicapow: can someone pass me a good example of writing an addon on c++ that isn't this one on nodejs.org ? that ones out of date
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[18:09] vicapow: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.5.10/api/addons.html
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[18:10] mmalecki: whoops.
[18:11] mmalecki: 
ACTION waits for a tag

[18:11] DTrejo: ^^
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[18:11] mmalecki: (it stops being funny when you have to port 20 or so modules)
[18:12] DTrejo: n_n
[18:13] mmalecki: also, good news! http://nodejs-vs-ror.nodejitsu.com/
[18:14] jesusabdullah: mmalecki: Make it do the MS Solitaire-style cards-jumping-thing when it bumps over
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[18:14] mmalecki: jesusabdullah: haha, that would be cool
[18:14] mmalecki: also, I have to give it some socket.io
[18:15] baudehlo: bnoordhuis: ping
[18:15] mmalecki: real-time nerdfight!
[18:15] jesusabdullah: :D
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[18:15] jesusabdullah: aww yeah
[18:15] DTrejo: give the rails guys a disadvantage
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[18:18] wankdanker: anyone have a how-to compile on windows?
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[18:19] gkatsev: for a second I read that as you asking how to compile windows rather than how to compile node on windows
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[18:20] wankdanker: lol
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[18:20] KiNgMaR: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Installation section 3b is a good point to start with :)
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[18:20] ryah: wankdanker: "vcbuild.bat release"
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[18:21] wankdanker: thanks gusy
[18:21] wankdanker: *guys
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[18:22] gkatsev: "IMPORTANT Isaacs will explode your computer across space and time through sheer force of will if you create issues without following the instructions exactly or without fully providing the requisite debug info" lol
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[18:23] isaacs: hahaha, wut?
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[18:23] gkatsev: isaacs: it's from that installation page about npm on windows
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[18:23] isaacs: oh, lol
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[18:23] DTrejo: gkatsev++
[18:23] catb0t: gkatsev now has 1 beer
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[18:24] mmalecki: I wanted to get rid of my old PC anyway...
[18:24] mmalecki: isaacs: I can't install npm on Windows. it's totally your fault. fix it.
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[18:27] mmalecki: nothing happened. I am disappoint.
[18:28] gkatsev: mmalecki: you need to create a github issue
[18:29] eddyb: hmm, a good idea would be to make a make.bat file that calls gyp/some other trickery to simulate make or just do that damn build
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[18:30] mmalecki: gkatsev: then isaacs will gain teh force?
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[18:33] mmalecki: nice. forever api works, cli doesn't.
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[18:38] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: pign?
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[18:38] mmalecki: *ping
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[18:42] wankdanker: ryah: Here are my tests: https://gist.github.com/1339957 I will be adding more
[18:42] TheJH: git blame says that "Benvie <brandon@brandonbenvie.com>" added that "Isaacs will explode your computer across space and time through sheer force of will..." note
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[18:43] TheJH: brandon? who's that?
[18:43] jocafa: that is an excellent commit message
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[18:45] jocafa: "Might seem like there's no DRM but I'll explode your computer like COBRA done to GI Joe on the episode about computer viruses." — MC Frontalot, "Charity Case"
[18:47] ryah: wankdanker: can you paste the failures too?
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[18:47] wankdanker: ryah: sorry, yup. i can do that.
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[18:53] francisl: is it possible to bundle a nodejs app in a single binary?
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[18:55] TheJH: francisl, yes
[18:55] TheJH: francisl, but really, why?
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[18:56] francisl: easier to convince the sysadmin
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[18:56] francisl: or to make desktop app
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[18:57] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: pogn
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[18:58] TheJH: francisl, ah, you're talking about a windows sysadmin, right?
[18:58] francisl: is there any documentation I can read on how to do that?
[18:58] TheJH: francisl, because I'm pretty sure it'd make a unix admin headbang
[18:58] francisl: Linux, but still really conservative
[18:58] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: :D. https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/1983 ? (tls)
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[18:58] AvianFlu: on how to talk to windows sysadmins? no, there's no book for that XD
[18:59] TheJH: francisl, why not just put your node binary and the application stuff in the same folder?
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[18:59] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: and that stdin pause/resume, any chance to get it merged/fixed before 0.6?
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[18:59] mmalecki: AvianFlu: 0. take a gun.
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[19:00] mmalecki: AvianFlu: also, should I get my skype ready now or in an hour?
[19:00] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: well... it's very last minute
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[19:00] AvianFlu: mmalecki, now
[19:00] francisl: yeah, good idea, shouldn't be hard, and add the node_modules in it
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[19:01] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: this tls isn't that important. however this stdin thing kinda messes up few modules
[19:01] mmalecki: AvianFlu: k, thanks
[19:01] francisl: I'will give it a try, thanks
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[19:02] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/1934 ? but that's only tests
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[19:04] deedubs: what would people recommend for realtime server to server communication? dnode? direct TCP?
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[19:04] domino14: is there any way to save information with a client instance in socket.io?  i have socket.sockets.on('connection', function (client) { … } ) …. i want to attach addiitonal information per client
[19:05] TheJH: if the topic is "v0.6.0", does that mean that the release is in the next few days/hours?
[19:05] domino14: and have node.js remember it. where would it store it? etc
[19:05] TheJH: domino14, "client.foo = 'bar'"?
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[19:05] domino14: where does it remember it?
[19:05] domino14: what limit do i have. is it individual to each client?
[19:05] domino14: <— noob
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[19:06] DTrejo: domino14: you might just want to keep a separate object that maps client id to the data you want to store
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[19:09] domino14: good idea
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[19:11] CIA-109: node: 03Jacob H.C. Kragh 07master * r44a5452 10/ doc/api/fs.markdown : docs: fix typo in the documented fchown signature - http://git.io/rTF0Dw
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[19:19] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: also, a little clarification on this: https://github.com/joyent/libuv/issues/106, does it mean that when we fork a process, child doesn't get the same file descriptors as parent had?
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[19:19] KiNgMaR: uhm. can I attach a pull request to an existing bug report?
[19:19] mmalecki: KiNgMaR: API
[19:19] mmalecki: or just reference ir
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[19:19] mmalecki: *it
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[19:20] KiNgMaR: API as in "github API"?
[19:20] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: yes, all file descriptors are closed on execve()
[19:20] mmalecki: KiNgMaR: http://developer.github.com/v3/pulls/#alternative-input
[19:20] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: let me guess, that didn't happen in 0.4?
[19:21] KiNgMaR: I see, thanks
[19:21] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: no, we set CLOEXEC in 0.4 too
[19:21] KiNgMaR: I'll just ref it :P
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[19:22] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: hrm, OK, thanks
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[19:44] paul__: anyone know why i might be getting "Error: Cannot find module "dnode" from directory" after I do dnode = require('diode')  ?
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[19:44] paul__: it's installed globally via npm
[19:44] Mad: anyone know any tricks to getting the windows node.exe to work on Window7 64 bit?
[19:44] Mad: using procmon, I can see the request come in but never get a response
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[19:44] Mad: works great on my Server 2008 R2 box
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[19:49] chrixian: paul__ is the directory where you install global modules in your node_path system variable?
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[19:49] paul__: yep it's NODE_PATH set in ~/.profile
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[19:49] paul__: dnode is found when i install it locally, oddly. 
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[19:50] paul__: and dnode is installed in the dir at $NODE_PATH
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[19:50] chrixian: run node an from the repl type 'require' it'll show an array called paths of where its looking
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[19:51] paul__:    [ '/usr/local/lib/node_modules',
[19:51] paul__:      '/Users/paul/.node_modules',
[19:51] paul__:      '/Users/paul/.node_libraries',
[19:51] paul__:      '/usr/local/lib/node' ],
[19:51] paul__: sry for that
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[19:52] paul__: $ ls $NODE_PATH/dnode
[19:52] paul__: LICENSE		bin		examples	lib		package.json README.markdown browser		index.js	node_modules	test
[19:53] chrixian: ya i dunno then, even modules i ahve installed globally for bin access i install local when i plan to require them
[19:53] Mad: is cygwin still the most reliable way to run node on a windows 7 64 bit machine?
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[19:54] bnoordhuis: Mad: no, cygwin support has been deprecated (removed, actually)
[19:54] chrixian: i think cygwin is totally gone with the windows native binary
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[19:54] Mad: ok
[19:54] vkandy: hey guys can anyone suggest a latest .spec file for latest npm version?
[19:55] Mad: having an issue with node on my machine but works great on my server 2008R2 box
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[19:55] Mad: I see the request come in madjohnny.dyndns-home.com:1337 -> madjohnny.dyndns-home.com:50237
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[19:56] Mad: but never get a response from node
[19:56] Mad: just hangs
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[19:56] Mad: any ideas?
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[19:57] alessioalex: 
ACTION hello everyone

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[20:01] malletjo: Anyone have done a stress test of is web application with nodejs using jmeter ? (including websocket)
[20:01] baudehlo: bnoordhuis: hey just a quick suggestion for buffertools - I find myself always doing bt.concat.apply(bt, bufflist) - be nice if concat just knew what to do if you pass an array of Buffers instead.
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[20:04] bnoordhuis: baudehlo: oh, that's easy - if you open an issue, i'll add it some time soon
[20:04] baudehlo: kk.
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[20:04] baudehlo: issue or patch better?
[20:05] mmalecki: it is a widely known fact that devs love pull requests
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[20:05] bnoordhuis: baudehlo: patch > feature request, always :)
[20:06] baudehlo: 
ACTION does some hot forking action

[20:06] mmalecki: it's hard :D
[20:06] mmalecki: hardcore forking action, iirc :D
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[20:07] hotch: hah
[20:07] jamescarr: the other day someone mentioned a good library for faking date
[20:07] jamescarr: so that new Date() returns whatever I want
[20:08] jamescarr: anyone remember what that was?
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[20:09] jamescarr: datejs
[20:10] baudehlo: bnoordhuis: Hmm, this is all C++ though... Would you move concat() into JS space for this, or do it all in C++?
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[20:12] isaacs: jamescarr: you mean something that just overwrites global.Date with a different function?
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[20:17] bnoordhuis: baudehlo: c++ - flattening the array in js, then .apply()ing it doesn't gain you speed
[20:17] bnoordhuis: baudehlo: well... maybe for .concat(array) doing that in c++ is overkill
[20:18] bnoordhuis: i was thinking of .concat(array1, buffer, array2, string, etc)
[20:18] baudehlo: meh. I'll put in the issue and see if I have time for it later :)
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[20:18] lzskiss: yo
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[20:19] jamescarr: isaacs, yeah
[20:19] jamescarr: someone linked a handy utility that allowed you to set the Date, then clear that set
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[20:22] baudehlo: sounds like about 5 lines of code :)
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[20:29] quackquack: any recommendations for a package for integration testing a web app?
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[20:35] paul__: in the client-side code generated by nodeQuery, which is put into /nquery.js, I'm getting an error in Safari saying "undefined" is not a function (evaluating 'require.modules.path()')"…. the line of code says this:  var dirname = require._core[filename] ? '': require.modules.path().dirname(filename) nquery.js:135TypeError: 'undefined' is not a function (evaluating 'require.modules.path()');
[20:35] paul__: running node 0.4.12. anyone heard of this before?
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[20:35] paul__: fyi looks like the error was inserted into the line of code
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[20:44] paul__: made a bug https://github.com/tblobaum/nodeQuery/issues/1
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[20:48] wankdanker: ryah: fyi updated results with failure logs: https://gist.github.com/1339957 
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[21:21] b_erb: how can i set the source port when sending UDP4 datagrams?
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[21:34] vicapow: would I be right to assume v8 is compiled into node?
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[21:34] vicapow: not linked?
[21:35] baudehlo: yes
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[21:41] wankdanker: b_erb: you have to bind first, otherwise it will be random (http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.5.10/api/all.html#dgram.send)
[21:42] b_erb: wankdanker: thanks, realized that i need a socket anyway :)
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[21:42] baudehlo1: anyone want to help me figuring this out? https://gist.github.com/1340555 - node-iconv not producing the correct results.
[21:43] wankdanker: baudehlo1: i'll bite
[21:43] baudehlo1: The comments should explain everything.
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[21:43] wankdanker: baudehlo1: k
[21:44] baudehlo: basically doing the same encode with node-iconv vs /usr/bin/iconv appear to result in different outputs (with /usr/bin/iconv giving me what is required)
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[21:47] CIA-109: libuv: 03Igor Zinkovsky 07master * rfe97c4d 10/ (src/win/fs.c test/test-fs.c test/test-list.h): windows: honor O_APPEND in uv_fs_open - http://git.io/wsRSjQ
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[21:51] wankdanker: baudehlo: it looks like from my location, i'm getting a different result from www.google.it; I'm getting a bunch of HTML.
[21:51] baudehlo: Yeah you do, you need to look for that string.
[21:51] wankdanker: Hah!
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[21:52] baudehlo: sorry... I had no easy way to strip the HTML without worrying I was passing it through another conversion layer
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[21:52] wankdanker: baudehlo: no worries
[21:52] bloga: 0,4OL� ENTREM NO SERVIDOR irc.BrasIRC.org, e conecte num servidor aonde ircops/admins n�o le�m seus pvts.!
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[21:53] baudehlo: if you do | grep 'il server'
[21:53] baudehlo: it works
[21:53] JKarsrud: hi there
[21:53] wankdanker: baudehlo: with the code as provided in the gist, i see "il server non è riuscito"
[21:53] JKarsrud: I'm having a strange issue with express
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[21:53] baudehlo: wankdanker: bugger. Is that *without* passing it through /usr/bin/iconv ?
[21:53] wankdanker: baudehlo: yes
[21:54] baudehlo: oh wait, is your terminal expecting ISO-8859-1?
[21:54] JKarsrud: I'm trying to do a var mod = require('lib/some_module'); but it keeps saying it can't find it. If I do var mod = require(__dirname + '/lib/some_module'); it works...
[21:54] JKarsrud: why is this?
[21:54] wankdanker: baudehlo: let me add, that i just added the required deps via npm, could i have a newer version of node-iconv?
[21:54] JKarsrud: is it because it's looking in node_modules by default or something?
[21:54] baudehlo: nah, I installed it today
[21:54] mmalecki: JKarsrud: require('./lib/(...)')
[21:54] wankdanker: baudehlo: :-\
[21:55] baudehlo: what OS?
[21:55] devdazed: baudehlo: i am seeing the same issue you are
[21:55] JKarsrud: mmalecki: yeah, that works too, I was just wondering why
[21:55] jocafa: huh. when did raphael 2.0 come out?
[21:55] JKarsrud: Is it because that my module isn't in node_modules? 
[21:55] JKarsrud: jocafa: earlier today
[21:55] JKarsrud: :)
[21:55] JKarsrud: it's awesome 
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[21:56] mattpardee: what's different in 2.0?
[21:56] baudehlo: devdazed: ok good :)
[21:56] baudehlo: remember your terminal has to expect UTF-8 to see the issue.
[21:56] wankdanker: baudehlo: idk about ISO-8859-1, default character encoding is UTF-8
[21:57] JKarsrud: mattpardee: no idea, I just saw it on the twitterz
[21:57] wankdanker: baudehlo: let me try xterm or something
[21:57] baudehlo: what OS?
[21:57] wankdanker: baudehlo: Linux 3.0.0-12-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 7 14:56:25 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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[21:59] baudehlo: You'd probably have to print out some chinese or something to check printing unicode from Node works on your terminal :)
[22:01] wankdanker: baudehlo: i just ran 'xterm -en ISO-8859-1', then ran it and i can see your problem.
[22:01] baudehlo: hrm.
[22:02] baudehlo: I wonder if iconv on Lion is playing silly buggers.
[22:02] devdazed: maybe
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[22:03] baudehlo: because I just upgraded and now my Haraka mail encoding tests don't work either.
[22:03] baudehlo: I get:
[22:03] baudehlo:     found:  Test for ����
[22:03] baudehlo:     wanted: Test for 中文
[22:04] baudehlo: grr
[22:04] baudehlo: and that's without doing anything to the terminal.
[22:05] baudehlo: oh well, it's late, it's Friday, it is beer time.
[22:05] wankdanker: baudehlo: i requested that same page from google in chinese and i can see it in my UTF-8 terminal, not in the ISO-8859-1
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[22:05] wankdanker: baudehlo: yes. beer. i'm looking forward to that. :)
[22:09] CIA-109: libuv: 03Igor Zinkovsky 07master * r82cf0b3 10/ src/win/process.c : windows: remove quotes from PATH in uv_spawn - http://git.io/-kDMhg
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[22:11] devdazed: baudehlo: when chaining to google.cn. i don't get UTF-8 chars
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[22:14] CIA-109: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r8652848 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): new cluster api - http://git.io/K8e61w
[22:15] CIA-109: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * rd42006c 10/ (doc/api/cluster.markdown lib/cluster.js): 
[22:15] CIA-109: node: cluster: Remove eachWorker, workerCount
[22:15] CIA-109: node: unnecessary - http://git.io/wlUy7Q
[22:15] perezd: dscape: yt?
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[22:21] CIA-109: node: 03Igor Zinkovsky 07master * r5496e67 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
[22:21] CIA-109: node: upgrade libuv to 82cf0b38c0
[22:21] CIA-109: node: fixes #2004 - http://git.io/wDSWKQ
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[22:30] devdazed: baudehlo: looks like it is a lion issue.  theres a workaround though:  https://github.com/bnoordhuis/node-iconv/issues/19
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[22:32] perezd: interesting bug with URL parsing: https://gist.github.com/0a7652293549447c1420
[22:32] perezd: pathname is totally wrong
[22:32] perezd: href has an errant / in it too
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[22:33] devdazed: perezd: is that even a valid url?
[22:33] perezd: yeah
[22:33] _sorensen_: mikeal: thanks for the tip on your request module, got things working perfectly
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[22:33] devdazed: last i checked you can't have a : in the domain name
[22:33] devdazed: *hostname rather
[22:33] perezd: auth
[22:34] perezd: username:password@host.com
[22:34] devdazed: auth needs an @, foo:bar@whatever.com
[22:34] devdazed: oh i see it now
[22:34] CIA-109: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r1e3e6b7 10/ doc/api/cluster.markdown : cluster: add example for message passing - http://git.io/CuyelQ
[22:34] perezd: yeah, this is probably a bad candidate for url passwor
[22:34] perezd: d
[22:34] perezd: its confusing it with the /
[22:34] devdazed: you're righ
[22:34] devdazed: does it work in the browser?
[22:35] perezd: not sure
[22:35] perezd: its probably encoding them
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[22:35] devdazed: try encodeURIComponent(password)
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[22:37] devdazed: perezd: f = url.parse('http://83ac5c9803a31ba0cbc00eb00622d2ed:' + encodeURIComponent('$2a$04$jFQ/uO1I9cKS/Va1apWLrOqpfvt/aV3uKBrCHGsIVa6ki/48yXYve') + '@localhost:5984')
[22:38] perezd: tada
[22:38] perezd: you are the winrar
[22:38] devdazed: thanks, it shows up encoded under auth. so you'd have to check if it actually works
[22:38] perezd: yeah
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[22:39] mikeal: _sorensen_: good to hear
[22:39] _sorensen_: spent so much time looking at RFC specs
[22:40] _sorensen_: couldnt get a PDF to go with the right encoding
[22:40] _sorensen_: your mod worked like a charm, had it up in 15 minutes
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[22:42] quackquack: how can I get Vows to print the actual error?
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[22:43] Industrial: Where can I see the documentation on the kind of objects that fs.stat() is returning? I know myStat.isDirectory() exists, but I can't find the documentation for it and I wanna know what's possible.
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[22:43] quackquack: Industrial: look for the Stat object
[22:43] quackquack: http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/fs.html#fs.Stats
[22:44] Industrial: ow woops, thanks
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[22:44] quackquack: np
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[22:48] _sorensen_: jslatts: afternoon
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[22:53] CIA-109: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r89014c9 10/ benchmark/http_simple_cluster.js : bench: add http_simple cluster edition benchmark - http://git.io/2YPagA
[22:53] CIA-109: node: 03Jacob H.C. Kragh 07master * rc1472ac 10/ doc/api/fs.markdown : 
[22:53] CIA-109: node: docs: fix some minor typos in the fs documentation
[22:53] CIA-109: node: * fchmodSync: replace 'path' with 'fd'
[22:53] CIA-109: node: * lchmod: replace 'fd' with 'path'
[22:53] CIA-109: node: * utimes, futimes, fsync: mark 'callback' as optional - http://git.io/wFEShw
[22:57] CIA-109: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r5c3954a 10/ doc/api/child_processes.markdown : 
[22:57] CIA-109: node: docs: make std*Stream spawn opts explicitly internal
[22:57] CIA-109: node: Fixes #1884. - http://git.io/VbRu9Q
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[22:59] konobi: bnoordhuis: any problem with me closing 1781 ?
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[23:01] bnoordhuis: konobi: sure, go ahead - support issue, not a node bug
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[23:07] CIA-109: libuv: 03Igor Zinkovsky 07master * rfaca140 10/ (7 files in 4 dirs): make uv_pipe_connect return void - http://git.io/tUHqfQ
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[23:09] b_i_d: YES! I'm no virgin anymore! Just ran into the first race condition in my coder career. :D
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[23:10] jesusabdullah: weirdo. >:P
[23:10] jesusabdullah: but good for you!
[23:10] b_i_d: *g*
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[23:11] TheJH: b_i_d, race condition in node code? mhm, I think that's pretty rare, no?
[23:12] b_i_d: Not in the ONE PLACE in my code where I didn't use callbacks. ;)
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[23:16] TheJH: b_i_d, use streamlinejs :P
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[23:17] b_i_d: Nah. I'm gonna take it like a man. Come on CPU-cycles! Show me what you've got!
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[23:18] TheJH: b_i_d, does that mean you'll write your own async library?
[23:19] TheJH: b_i_d, people say it helps you appreciate the commonly used ones :D
[23:19] b_i_d: Hm. I'm gonna take it like a little man then... :D
[23:19] TheJH: :P
[23:19] TheJH: b_i_d, other persons async lib or none?
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[23:20] TheJH: b_i_d, I'd recommend caolans "async"
[23:20] TheJH: !npm info async
[23:20] jhbot: async by Caolan McMahon, version 0.1.15: Higher-order functions and common patterns for asynchronous code
[23:20] b_i_d: Debug and plaster my screen with "USE CALLBACKS, IDIOT" post-its should be enough for now.
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[23:21] b_i_d: But thanks for the idea. May come in handy when my project keeps growing like that.
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[23:23] b_i_d: It's an artificial intelligence and for every user-input countless modules are started (emotions, common sense, memory, knowledge, etc) to construct the answer.
[23:24] b_i_d: So a lot of places I can break stuff. ;)
[23:24] TheJH: b_i_d, be sure to reserve the first callback argument for errors or it might blow up when you use it together with some async lib
[23:24] b_i_d: Yeah. I do that anyway.
[23:24] jhbot: I am only artificial stupidity :(
[23:25] b_i_d: Although I handle most of the error-stuff with events and listeners.
[23:25] b_i_d: Aww, poor bot. Not that I wanna replace you...
[23:25] mmalecki: I wonder why do people emit in nextTick sometimes
[23:26] SargoDarya: wtf. When I do var foo = function(){ this.bar = 'test'; } and try to console.log foo.bar it gives undefined?
[23:26] SargoDarya: any idea why?
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[23:26] b_i_d: See? Callbacks... :D
[23:27] perezd: SargoDarya: construct it
[23:27] perezd: foo = new function() ..
[23:27] SargoDarya: ok
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[23:28] perezd: so…constructors, you should check those out
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[23:28] SargoDarya: ok, now when I try to pass something into function it's undefined.
[23:28] SargoDarya: grr
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[23:29] benvie: because you're calling it
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[23:30] benvie: instead of constructing it
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[23:30] SargoDarya: oh, right.. now I'm confused.
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[23:30] benvie: too many steps at once
[23:30] SargoDarya: thought so
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[23:31] benvie: er also
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[23:31] benvie: nevermind I have no idea what you're doing
[23:32] perezd: yeah, this is troubling..
[23:32] benvie: but what I said is probably true
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[23:32] perezd: SargoDarya: perhaps read "JavaScript: The Good Parts" by Douglas Crockford 
[23:32] perezd: get an idea of what you're trying to accomplish 
[23:32] mmalecki: ryah: (just to clarify, I didn't reopen https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/2003, it was referenced from another project)
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[23:33] SargoDarya: perezd: I was trying to call this in the var foo = function(){} to set some initial values but it seems they are kindly ignored
[23:33] perezd: what do you intend foo to be
[23:33] perezd: an object? a function? 
[23:33] benvie: a callable function with properties?
[23:34] perezd: thats not really a thing
[23:34] perezd: you have objects, and you have functions
[23:34] perezd: objects have properties 
[23:34] perezd: functions are functions
[23:34] SargoDarya: Wait a second
[23:34] perezd: functions can create objects, with properties, and those properties can be functions too
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[23:35] benvie: well a function object
[23:35] perezd: benvie: yes, but thats not what you want it to be in this case
[23:35] benvie: which is callable as functionName() but also has functionName.property
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[23:35] perezd: I really don't think thats a thing
[23:35] benvie: well it's just a function
[23:35] perezd: how does that imply that it has object like properties?
[23:36] benvie: because you can call it but also access its properties
[23:36] perezd: is that working out for you?
[23:36] benvie: well it's basically a singleton pattern
[23:36] benvie: a callable singleton
[23:37] perezd: I am very worried about what you're trying to do
[23:37] benvie: which requires you to be aware that its callable is going to be treated as a constructor
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[23:37] benvie: well I know what I'm doing but I'm not asking questions =D. SargoDarya is
[23:37] perezd: so prototypal languages don't have the notion of singletons 
[23:37] perezd: every object is effectively a singleton
[23:38] perezd: well
[23:38] perezd: not true
[23:38] benvie: the singleton pattern produces a singleton like object in that if try to create a new one it just returns the original copy
[23:38] perezd: you basically need to closure out a singleton at a higher level
[23:38] perezd: http://javascript.about.com/od/byexample/a/objectoriented-singleton-example.htm
[23:38] perezd: thats a way to do this
[23:38] benvie: exactly
[23:38] perezd: properties on functions is not
[23:38] perezd: you need something to build you the singleton 
[23:38] perezd: that is not itself
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[23:39] SargoDarya: this is so weird… I have to try again, it seems it works now for some odd reason
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[23:39] ryah: mmalecki: oh okay
[23:39] perezd: SargoDarya: you should be _REALLY_ careful you understand what you're doing to your object state
[23:39] ryah: mmalecki: github bug then
[23:39] benvie: I'd just use a Proxy at this point anyway if it wasn't for the browser
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[23:39] perezd: yes
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[23:40] mmalecki: ryah: yeah, sorry for the confusion
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[23:42] SargoDarya: …the fuck? It's working in jsfiddle but not on site.
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[23:44] benvie: gist it
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[23:45] SargoDarya: YEEEEES!
[23:45] SargoDarya: Apparently in 99% of all cases the error is between the keyboard and the chair.
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[23:45] benvie: id10t errors are a bitch
[23:46] Dulak: pebkac
[23:46] SargoDarya: Il <- find the difference.
[23:46] benvie: jk
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[23:46] SargoDarya: yea, and I was wondering why it was undefined. typed an i instead of an L
[23:46] benvie: IJkl?
[23:47] SargoDarya: what?
[23:47] benvie: como?
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[23:47] SargoDarya: still don't know what you mean
[23:48] benvie: well you fixed it and that's all that matters
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[23:49] SargoDarya: yep, so now I can get back to my whisky
[23:49] benvie: that's how I like programming. Mixed with alcohol, and definitely not stirred
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[23:53] quackquack: How can i make vows print the stack traces of the exceptions it gets?
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[23:57] SargoDarya: There's just nothing better than cask strength, 21yo whisky.
[23:58] benvie: let us have a chat over this whiskey my friend
[23:59] SargoDarya: It's a Murray McDavid Limited Gold Edition from the Bowmore Distillery.
[23:59] SargoDarya: 56,1%, only 479 bottles produced
[23:59] benvie: man
[23:59] SargoDarya: and it's as old as me :>