[00:00] Kage: Im a weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee bit lost
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[00:00] Kage: is Node.js part of jQuery?
[00:01] TooTallNate: no
[00:01] joshgillies: lol
[00:01] joshgillies: if only
[00:01] Kage: is Node.js alterntive to Node.js?
[00:01] Kage: to jQuery*
[00:01] joshgillies: Yes
[00:01] Kage: ok
[00:01] TooTallNate: no, it's not an alternative
[00:01] TooTallNate: not even close
[00:01] joshgillies: Wait, not what you said, what you said before you fixed it
[00:02] joshgillies: Node is totally alternative to node
[00:02] jpMcgrady: kage: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1801160/can-i-use-jquery-with-node-js
[00:02] joshgillies: And that's enough unhelpful babble from me
[00:02] joshgillies: ;)
[00:03] Kage: I am looking at the RealTimeMultiplayerNodeJs lib... and I am really confused on what is server vs. what is client?
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[00:03] Kage: and where does drawing take place?
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[00:04] TooTallNate: Kage: node is the server
[00:04] Kage: TooTallNate: I see.... how does it talk to the client though?
[00:05] jpMcgrady: kage: it may be worth your time to start on something a little less built up than that module
[00:05] Kage: Socket.io.js?
[00:05] TooTallNate: Kage: i'd guess by starting an http server and talking to it
[00:05] TooTallNate: if the project uses socket.io then it uses that for communication
[00:06] Kage: I love how javascript has been hacked into doing things the original designers never intended it to do
[00:07] sh1mmer: actually
[00:07] sh1mmer: livescript includes a server implementaiton
[00:07] sh1mmer: back before it was even called JavaScript
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[00:08] Kage: jpMcgrady: are you refering to RealTimeMultiplayerNodeJs as the module?
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[00:09] Kage: also... how does it extend classes, I thought javascript didn't have classes only instances...
[00:10] Kage: maybe it means extend by combinding instances?
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[00:11] sh1mmer: Kage: JavaScript has prototypal inheritence
[00:11] sh1mmer: Kage: you can create various flavours of classical inheritance using it
[00:12] sh1mmer: in Node we have some utility methods which overload the prototype of a Class definition to provide inheritence
[00:12] jpMcgrady: kage: yes, I think starting with something more basic might be a better way of understanding node.js<=>socket.io
[00:12] Kage: is socket.io part of node?
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[00:12] Kage: node.js*
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[00:12] joshgillies: nope
[00:12] joshgillies: built with
[00:12] sh1mmer: Kage: it's a module for Node.js
[00:13] Kage: ah
[00:13] Kage: ok
[00:13] Kage: >.<
[00:13] jpMcgrady: socket.io:node.js::mod_wsgi:apache - kinda
[00:13] benvie: awemeness compiling native modules works for windows now
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[00:14] konobi: sh1mmer: why does npm hate http proxies?
[00:14] sh1mmer: konobi: because Isaac has met you in RL
[00:14] konobi: heh
[00:15] sh1mmer: konobi: I'm not sure how I ended up volunteering to prune the issues list
[00:15] sh1mmer: *le sigh*
[00:17] Kage: and what about CAAT? is that a module of node.js?
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[00:18] jpMcgrady: nope CAAT is a google ECMAscript library
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[00:22] benvie: ha massive github stream spam
[00:26] benvie: is there a version of node-waf kicking around that's been updated to use msvc? Guessing that's a todo
[00:26] benvie: works fine manually doing it in VS
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[00:30] CIA-109: node: It was emitting the net.Socket object due to misuse of the arguments object.
[00:30] CIA-109: node: Fixes #1399. - http://git.io/Udsl3A
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[00:30] bnoordhuis: benvie: use gyp
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[00:31] benvie: oh yeah i forgot gyp is great
[00:32] benvie: need to set up a thing for doing modules
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[00:34] sh1mmer: bnoordhuis: are we deprecating waf for gyp?
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[00:36] bnoordhuis: sh1mmer: eventually yes
[00:36] benvie: I wouldn't be surprised if so, gyp works on windows with msvc and waf doesn't and doesn't look like any work has gone toward it. All the work for node itself has gone to gyp
[00:36] benvie: node-waf just still works for that purpose on non-windows
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[00:45] sh1mmer: bnoordhuis: any objection to me closing this? https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1446
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[00:49] secoif: Anyone got any suggestions on best way to manage key/value configuration for multiple NODE_ENVs
[00:50] bnoordhuis: sh1mmer: go ahead, it's more of an observation than a real bug
[00:50] sh1mmer: bnoordhuis: that was my thought.
[00:50] SubStack: secoif: nvm seems popular for that
[00:50] sh1mmer: I'm going to close anything that isn't actionable
[00:50] SubStack: oh wait, wrong problem >_<
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[00:51] secoif: yeah, i think i need something like nconf, but perhaps something more lightweight
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[00:52] secoif: I feel like I'm not learning any real node by constantly using modules though
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[00:52] quartzjer: npm registry question, I'm trying to replicate from http://isaacs.couchone.com/registry to my local couch (1.1.0), and it randomly fails with {"error":"json_encode","reason":"{bad_term,{nocatch,{invalid_json,<<>>}}}"}
[00:52] quartzjer: is that normal? :)
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[00:55] sh1mmer: Ok enough bug queue for today
[00:56] sh1mmer: time to go home and do something fun like write a book ;)
[00:56] bnoordhuis: sh1mmer: how is the book coming along?
[00:56] sh1mmer: meh
[00:56] sh1mmer: co-author is helping a lot
[00:56] sh1mmer: this week's task it to sanity check against the 0.6 drop
[00:57] bnoordhuis: heh, you've got your work cut out then
[00:57] sh1mmer: while the new guy finishes the chapter on express and socket.io
[00:57] sh1mmer: bnoordhuis: bah humbug :)
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[01:29] Kage: it seems like RealTimeMultiplayerNodeJs module is in development, is there anything that is more... stable?
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[01:34] Kage: meh
[01:34] Kage: 
ACTION hates Javascript more and more...

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[01:45] secoif: Kage what are you trying to build
[01:46] secoif: a real-time multiplayer game?
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[01:47] Kage: secoif: yes
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[01:47] secoif: you can pretty easily roll your own
[01:47] secoif: perhaps have a look at https://github.com/tmpvar/motionjs
[01:47] Kage: roll muy own wahat?
[01:48] secoif: I assume the issue is sending+syncing state with multiple connected clients? 
[01:48] secoif: what kind of game?
[01:49] Kage: secoif: MMORPG.. I need tile support, and lots more...
[01:49] secoif: yeah i don't know if there's anything like that for node
[01:50] Kage: I think I need to make html5 graphics engine first
[01:50] secoif: Kage http://toolbox.no.de/search?q=game
[01:50] secoif: That's little to do with node
[01:51] secoif: you might want to check out ocanvas, it's got a pretty sweet sprite sheet system for animations http://ocanvas.org/
[01:52] secoif: coming from a flash background, it made canvas a lot more familiar 
[01:53] Kage: secoif: it seems Javascript is full of tons of frameworks that are great if you want a simple game up and running in like 2 minutes, but for a larger project they all far apart
[01:54] secoif: Kage it's the same in Flash. If you want something decent for your needs you usually have to build your own
[01:54] Kage: secoif: I love dissecting demos and thinking I understand all the methods of a class, then I go to another file and see new methods that are defined outside of the class' file
[01:55] secoif: Kage that's usually a good thing.
[01:55] Kage: secoif: no its not... everything associated with a class should be defined, or documented in one place
[01:56] Kage: secoif: I am getting sick of seeing a class defined half way in one file, and the other half across 10 other files
[01:56] Kage: its so annoying that I can't figure out what is going on cause I have to keep changing files to see what everything does
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[01:56] Kage: its such a fucking mess
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[01:57] secoif: Kage games are typically fairly messy
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[01:58] Kage: secoif: not the ones I write in C++
[01:58] secoif: Do you write it all in one file?
[01:58] Kage: secoif: no, but all of the class is defined in one file
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[01:59] Kage: so when I see something is of type "Player", I can go to the player file and see all the methods and properties it has
[01:59] Kage: I hate loose typing
[01:59] Aria: So why develop in a language like JS?
[01:59] secoif: again, sounds like you'd be happier over in Flash
[02:00] Aria: JS takes a different kind of discipline.
[02:00] Aria: It's hard to port thinking from C++ to JS
[02:00] Kage: Aria: because these days expect games they can play without downloading
[02:00] Aria: So flash?
[02:00] Kage: people expect*
[02:00] Aria: Compile C++ or Java to JS?
[02:00] secoif: Kage: unity
[02:00] Aria: Clojure? Haxe?
[02:01] Kage: secoif: unity needs downloads to aid a webbrowser
[02:01] secoif: not if you target flash player
[02:01] Kage: well I only have Linux system, and I don't think there is a flash IDE for Linux
[02:02] secoif: vim + the flex compiler
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[02:02] Aria: What secoif said.
[02:02] Aria: You don't need an IDE for flash. You do for animations authoriing, but for a game, it'll only get in your way.
[02:02] Aria: In fact, the Flash IDE is a steaming pile of hacked-up eclipse.
[02:02] Aria: It's slow AND broken!
[02:03] secoif: Kage plus, if you need an IDE, http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/download/#linux is a better choice
[02:04] Kage: so you are suggesting Java applets?
[02:04] Aria: No, Flash ones
[02:05] secoif: no, intellij is an actionscript/flex ide on par/better than flash builder
[02:05] Aria: People have Flash. Java's a download ;-)
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[02:05] secoif: flash also good since you can now target ios and android
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[02:07] secoif: haxe also good option there too. If you really hate javascript you don't have to use it. It's probably not quite ready as a games platform anyway due to IE's canvas support
[02:07] Kage: honestly, I hate flash... I want HTML5 to replace that proprietary crap...   but... but meh
[02:08] secoif: html5 has nothing to do with flash.
[02:08] secoif: 90% of crossover is misuse
[02:08] Kage: secoif: I don't hate javascript, I hate crappy frameworks people have built on it
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[02:08] secoif: Kage it's just different thinking.
[02:08] Kage: Ill try flash I GUESS
[02:09] Kage: secoif: I actually used Javascript before anything else, but I haven't used it in like... 5 years until a few weeks ago
[02:09] Aria: It's just not going to be organized like C++
[02:10] Aria: It's functional, it's prototypical, and it's differently typed.
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[02:10] Aria: ActionScript in Flash would probably suit you well: It's javascript like in some pleasant ways, and C++ like in some pleasant ways.
[02:11] Kage: Aria, well lots of the concepts seem the same as lua, and I LOVE lua
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[02:11] Aria: YEah. Similar but different.
[02:11] Kage: I wish web browsers supported lua
[02:11] Kage: 
ACTION dreams

[02:11] Aria: Javascript is quirky. In a way I love, but it's quirky.
[02:11] Aria: .oO(write a lua to js compiler?)
[02:11] secoif: agreed
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[02:12] Twisol: There is a Lua implementation in Javascript somewhere out there
[02:12] Twisol: it wasn't complete, the last time I saw it
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[02:38] Kage: secoif: I don't see a option in intelij for flash
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[02:39] secoif: Kage http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/flex_ide.html
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[02:42] Kage: secoif: errrr... maybe the community edition doesn't do it?
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[02:43] secoif: Kage it does, but I haven't used it for about 2 years so i can't recall exactly what the deal is
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[02:44] secoif: Kage this is OT though, pm if you want, but perhaps you should just do some googling
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[02:45] secoif: Kage if you can't get it working, also have a look at FDT /lastwordontopic
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[03:02] justinf: bring on node 6 :) love your work!
[03:03] justinf: 0.6*
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[03:34] teadict: what are the ideal directories permissions for a node web project?
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[03:36] teadict: also the ideal organization for paths 
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[03:40] OneOfOne_: if anyone is interested in "less" that works on 0.5.x npm install less-clean or vote for https://github.com/cloudhead/less.js/pull/444
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[04:25] kenperkins: depends
[04:25] kenperkins: some nights is rockin
[04:25] context: its hump day. get drunk
[04:27] wankdanker_: drinking breckenridge small batch ipa; workin on it. :)
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[04:30] prudhvi: Hi i have two files with two different exports in each one. After importing(require?) when i try to call a method from the second file it is unable to execute. Why is it so?
[04:30] prudhvi: I imported the parent directory these two files countains in
[04:30] prudhvi: *contain
[04:31] xerox: prudhvi: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.12/api/modules.html
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[04:36] kenperkins: using a 24" LCD in tv mode is painful
[04:37] wankdanker_: i can only imagine
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[04:38] kenperkins: for some reason, dell U2410 + 2011 MBP results in tv mode :(
[04:39] wankdanker_: what's 2011 mbp?
[04:39] wankdanker_: sounds spiffy
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[04:40] jerrysv: tbranyen: ping
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[04:44] DTrejo: apparently I can't set npm's cache location to /dev/null
[04:44] DTrejo: dang
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[04:45] wankdanker_: that's interesting, i've never thought about reading from /dev/null, what does happen?
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[04:46] chilts: it's just the same as an empty file (ie. gives an EOF straigh away)
[04:46] DTrejo: well, it just breaks
[04:46] zmbmartin: is seq the best flow control?
[04:46] DTrejo: I like async
[04:46] DTrejo: npm docs async
[04:46] wankdanker_: should reading /dev/null return null?
[04:47] wankdanker_: it returns ''
[04:47] DTrejo: dunnooo
[04:47] wankdanker_: i think it makes sense that it should return '', but it is /dev/null so it seems like it should also return null
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[04:48] DTrejo: might confuse program
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[04:50] tbranyen: jerrsv wattup
[04:50] tbranyen: im in a bar
[04:50] wankdanker_: idk if seq is the best. i've never used it but i've been interested to know what everyone else is doing
[04:50] tbranyen: doing daws knows wat
[04:51] DTrejo: yeahh tbranyen gettin smashed
[04:52] tbranyen: fuck yeaaa
[04:52] DTrejo: say hi to mikeal!
[04:52] tbranyen: ircibg ib a barrrr
[04:52] DTrejo: he'd better be there lol
[04:52] tbranyen: he said hi back
[04:52] DTrejo: niceeee
[04:53] tbranyen: :D
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[04:54] kenperkins: ok theory question: lets say I have three different links in my app to launch the profile, and I want to put analytics on them to differentiate which has the best CTR
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[04:55] kenperkins: oops wrong chan :)
[04:56] wankdanker_: i'm interested, what chan was that to?
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[05:02] SrPx: hello, im trying to build node.js under msys, it requires python. i downloaded python but dont know how to make msys be aware of it. im getting the error /usr/bin/env: python: No such file or directory. anyone knows?
[05:03] konobi: SrPx: you can download the native windows binary
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[05:03] SrPx: konobi: I know just wanted to compile it...
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[05:04] konobi: SrPx: not sure... might be configurable using gyp
[05:05] joshgillies: how does everyone here manage testing the unstable branch of node?
[05:05] joshgillies: VM or some crazy ass side by side install 
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[05:06] joshgillies: ala $ node server.js || $ node-dev server.js from terminal
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[05:08] wankdanker_: joshgillies: i'm struggling with this currently too.
[05:08] wankdanker_: joshgillies: earlier i saw someone ask a similar question and someone suggested nvm
[05:09] wankdanker_: joshgillies: https://github.com/creationix/nvm
[05:09] joshgillies: wankdanker_ hrmmmm will look into this, thanks!
[05:09] wankdanker_: joshgillies: you are welcome.
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[05:12] joshgillies: wankdanker: yup it's exactly what I was looking for
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[05:13] SrPx: konobi: Yay! did it! just had set the path wrong. the msys uses the same path as windows.
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[05:14] konobi: joshgillies: I just symlink using a ~/local/bin install
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[05:15] joshgillies: konobi: good idea, that's kind of what I'd intended to do originally. But I'll give this nvm thing a go and see how it fairs 
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[06:02] arlolra: is it correct / intuitive that if i symlink a file and then run it, node will search up the tree from the original file, and not the symlinked location, when searching for node_modules
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[06:15] luo: hi somebody?
[06:16] luo: hi
[06:16] luo: somebody?
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[06:17] arlolra: everybody
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[06:17] luo: who know "checking for program g++ or c++"
[06:18] arlolra: no compiler?
[06:18] luo: is that ash.exe?
[06:19] arlolra: are you on windows?
[06:19] arlolra: you should just download the binary
[06:19] luo: yes.I am on window 7
[06:19] luo: i use the cygwin
[06:20] arlolra: ah, cygwin is deprecated
[06:20] arlolra: http://nodejs.org/#download
[06:20] arlolra: windows executable
[06:20] arlolra: your new friend
[06:21] luo: thank you.I will try
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[06:30] daneroo1: in nodeup podcast episode 6, there is talk of a project called ? soden ? related to distributed http://socket.io/ any one know what that is, or perhaps the correct spelling ?
[06:32] arlolra: hook.io ?
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[06:32] daneroo1: thanks, but that's not it,
[06:33] arlolra: now i'm curious
[06:33] arlolra: :)
[06:33] daneroo1: arlolra: did you listen to that podcast ?
[06:33] arlolra: not that episode yet
[06:34] daneroo1: http://nodeup.com/ six
[06:34] arlolra: listening now
[06:34] arlolra: ask mikeal
[06:35] daneroo1: Not sure who was talking, I think it was isaccs (npm), but not sure...
[06:35] mikeal: sodn
[06:36] mikeal: it's issacs
[06:36] mikeal: github.com/isaacs
[06:36] arlolra: thanks :)
[06:36] daneroo1: mikeal: Thanks, that podcast was fantastic by the way!
[06:37] mikeal: i tried to listen to it
[06:37] mikeal: we all ramble and pause too much and say "like" all the time
[06:38] arlolra: mikeal, like, is it correct / intuitive that if i symlink a file and then run it, node will search up the tree from the original file, and not the symlinked location, when searching for node_modules
[06:38] mikeal: that's a good question and isaacs is probably the only person who knows the answer :)
[06:39] arlolra: well, the answer is that's the current behaviour
[06:39] arlolra: whether or not that's desireable is another story
[06:40] context: yeah! go irccloud
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[07:04] DTrejo: who here likes testing?
[07:05] DTrejo: night all/
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[07:49] Marko: hi
[07:50] Marko: anyone familiar with hubot and coffeescripts?
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[07:54] lzskiss: yo
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[08:13] domino14: why doesnt this example work for me? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4441798/how-to-use-redis-publish-subscribe-with-nodejs-to-notify-clients-when-data-value
[08:14] domino14: i can get the node server running on my machine but it seems the socket is never oppened
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[08:14] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: sorry for harassing you, but I have to leave in a second and I have nothing to do at school
[08:14] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: does it look good to you: https://github.com/mmalecki/node/commit/04645c5e7405c74f37715e58221229c36978616f#commitcomment-692282 ?
[08:15] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: looks good
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[08:15] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: i'd probably collapse the else {} clause so you have one less level of indentation
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[08:16] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: oh, ok
[08:16] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: so, I'll use that solution, thanks for the feedback :)
[08:17] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: np, my pleasure
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[08:36] domino14: i cant get node.js socket.io to work
[08:36] domino14: i connect to the website but the connect event never fires. this is on localhost. simple little app
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[08:41] chilts: man, I'm loving async :)
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[08:41] chilts: I was just about to write a helper and then took a look at that and found exactly what I wanted :)
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[08:54] secoif: chilts ah, you're right. I've been using Step until now, perhaps I'll give async a crack.
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[08:56] chilts: 
ACTION looks at step too

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[09:00] arcanis: do you know if burritos can handle js comments ?
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[09:06] arcanis: no.
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[09:20] m4rcs: is there any guide for using eventEmitters?
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[09:35] secoif: m4rcs what issue are you having?
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[09:43] m4rcs: sec secoif
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[09:45] m4rcs: https://gist.github.com/a187d4130330c61b54c1 when I call my helper function on line 25
[09:46] m4rcs: i can't access the event on sendNotification
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[09:47] CIA-109: node: fs: make mkdir() default to 0777 permissions
[09:47] CIA-109: node: Fixes #1999. - http://git.io/cbMwhA
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[09:49] garrensmith: m4rcs: I think it has to do with your "this" might not be the object you think it is
[09:49] m4rcs: ok
[09:49] m4rcs: what is this?
[09:49] m4rcs: it's not the boxcar class?
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[09:52] secoif: m4rcs sure that sendNotification is being called? I don't see where it's used
[09:52] m4rcs: well
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[09:52] m4rcs: not in this module
[09:52] m4rcs: but when I load this module
[09:53] secoif: ok
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[09:54] secoif: m4rcs yeah I'd make sure `this` is the object you think it is
[09:55] m4rcs: would a "var this = self;" help?
[09:56] Lingerance: No
[09:57] zomg: 'this' related issues are probably the most common problem people have with JS itself (eg. not an issue about "how do I x with jQuery")...
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[09:58] m4rcs: yes i've looked through some modules and I always find this = self, but I don't get for what it's useful
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[09:59] Lingerance: m4rcs: it's self = this
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[10:00] zomg: m4rcs: perhaps you need to read more on how scoping, closures and this works :)
[10:00] zomg: I seem to be using a lot of somefun.bind(this) though. Can't use that in browser JS so much since they don't support bind in functions yet
[10:01] m4rcs: any suggestions for a good tutorial on this?
[10:01] Lingerance: But you'll be wanting to use bind: boxcar.sendNotification.bind(boxcar) (pass that instead of boxcar.sendNotification; note bind() returns a function)
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[10:04] secoif: m4rcs http://javascriptweblog.wordpress.com/2010/08/30/understanding-javascripts-this/
[10:04] zomg: This one is also pretty good but sort of technically heavy stuff... and at least for me it isn't loading http://jibbering.com/faq/notes/closures/
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[11:09] CIA-109: node: 03koichik 07master * ra6dbe0f 10/ doc/api/fs.markdown : docs: make fs.mkdir()'s mode argument an option. - http://git.io/Y5z2KQ
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[11:10] Glenjamin: i really wish there was a shortcut for obj.method.bind(object)
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[11:11] Glenjamin: zomg: you can Shiv .bind() for browser support
[11:12] zomg: Sure
[11:12] zomg: But often I'm already using some library when working on clientside code which provides an alternative facility for that
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[11:37] maushu: *sigh* I give up.
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[11:37] maushu: It's god damn impossible to have a safe sandbox without sacrificing features.
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[11:39] stagas: maushu: what sandbox
[11:39] maushu: any sandbox.
[11:39] maushu: bmeck likes to ruin stuff
[11:41] stagas: maushu: do you have any code?
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[11:41] maushu: stagas: Just try using callbacks in the vm functions.
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[11:49] Glenjamin: it can't capture a new closure scope
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[12:14] christophsturm: is there a way to trace what a node program does?
[12:14] christophsturm: i have an app that just exits without outputting anything
[12:16] Lingerance: Look for a nodejs debugger, there's quite a few of them now
[12:17] christophsturm: Lingerance: any suggestions? actually i was looking for something like strace or rbtrace
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[12:48] fatshotty: hey guys, is there a way to install node and npm user scoped? in the user's home directory and not only into system directory?
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[12:48] fatshotty: thanks in advance
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[12:50] deoxxombie: fatshotty: you do it the same as you would with any other software
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[12:51] deoxxombie: something like `make DESTDIR=/home/what-is-a-man-page/local/ install'
[12:52] deoxxombie: you might also have to tell the node configure script where it's going to live
[12:53] deoxxombie: `./configure --prefix=/home/my-mom-bought-me-a-puter/local' or similar
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[12:55] fatshotty: yeah thanks deoxxombie, now I'm using the nvm script but I'm not sure that it is my saver ;)
[12:55] fatshotty: So, I can't to set the dest folder for npm :/ I will try again, thanks man! ;)
[12:57] fatshotty: ok, it wasn't mather, it was me ;) thanks again I will try
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[13:30] shedinja: the node install instructions in the wiki install it locally
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[14:08] mafintosh: Hey guys. I have a question. Is it on purpose that http.ServerResponses timeout in v.5.10 after 2 mins, even if you are writing a response chunk regularly?
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[14:14] mafintosh: I created this gist that might illustrate what I'm talking about: https://gist.github.com/1336579
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[14:28] lmatteis: Hello
[14:28] lmatteis: having some issues with "request"
[14:28] lmatteis: some characters get converted to ?
[14:29] lmatteis: simple unicode characters, why?
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[14:30] lmatteis: sorry that looks like a questions, some characters in the response body of a request get converted into question marks.
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[14:36] garrensmith: lmatteis: have you set what format the response data must be in?
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[14:36] lmatteis: garrensmith: no, how do i do that
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[14:37] lmatteis: i mean
[14:37] lmatteis: i have set, 'Accept-Charset':  'ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7'
[14:37] lmatteis: if that's what you mean
[14:37] garrensmith: lmatteis: just one sec, see if I can find a link
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[14:37] lmatteis: oh wait
[14:37] lmatteis: maybe it's because i have Accept-Language
[14:37] lmatteis: but should wokr
[14:38] lmatteis: hrm nah
[14:38] mAritz: i'm trying to create a node.js app that communicates with a hlds server (cs 1.6) via rcon/udp. however i don't quite get how this should be approached properly. my tries and searches all resulted in nothing so far. anyone here who can help me?
[14:39] garrensmith: lmatteis: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.5.10/api/http.html#request.setEncoding
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[14:40] garrensmith: mAritz: you need to know what address and port the server is connected on. Then you need to know the messages are sent to the server and received
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[14:40] garrensmith: mAritz: basically the message protocol
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[14:41] mAritz: hm, guess i first need to get my understanding of udp straight. right now i don't even know how i'd get any responses from the server. :/
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[14:42] lmatteis: garrensmith: this is a little confusing, i'm using the request() function to run a simple request and get the response back, so it's a method. while that api page shows that request is an object with the method 'setEncoding'.
[14:42] lmatteis: garrensmith: i'm using var request = require('request');
[14:42] garrensmith: lmatteis: is require the built in request supported by nodejs or 3rd party library?
[14:43] lmatteis: built in i'm pretty sure
[14:43] garrensmith: *require("request")
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[14:43] lmatteis: i dunno, it's actually being used by this module, but it's built in probably
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[14:44] lmatteis: i use it such as request({uri:...}, function(err, response, body){
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[14:44] garrensmith: lmatteis: I dont think so, what does your package.json say
[14:44] mAritz: lmatteis: request is not a built in module
[14:44] lmatteis: oh you're right, request" : ">=0.10.0",
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[14:45] mAritz: https://github.com/mikeal/request
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[14:46] lmatteis: ah nice
[14:46] lmatteis: there's an encoding property
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[14:46] lmatteis: argh
[14:46] lmatteis: still, getting question marks!
[14:47] garrensmith: lmatteis: yeah I thought so. Have you set the request property?
[14:47] lmatteis: argh
[14:47] lmatteis: not sure i can using this package
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[14:48] trose: is it possible to round number server side using jade?
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[14:49] deedubs: trose: Of course.  - Math.floor(10.45)
[14:49] MooGoo: I dunno if servers can handle rounding numbers
[14:49] MooGoo: naah
[14:49] maushu: deedubs: Thats not round.
[14:49] MooGoo: .. ~~10.45
[14:49] catb0t: 10
[14:49] MooGoo: the best way to truncate
[14:49] maushu: .. Math.round(10.65)
[14:49] catb0t: 11
[14:49] sirganya: If I have what may seem like a dumb question but I'm not sure if I have my concepts in a row. If I have a request end event are all the variables in that event persistent for that request end event only. If I'm waiting for an async operation to finish within that event there's no way another request end event can take over?
[14:49] garrensmith: lmatteis: what are you trying to do?
[14:50] deedubs: sorry Math.round
[14:50] lmatteis: garrensmith: just not show question marks for this data
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[14:50] lmatteis: show its actual characters
[14:50] sirganya: or encapsulated might be the better term
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[14:52] lmatteis: garrensmith: this little request packages doesn't seem to let me call request.setEncoding
[14:52] lmatteis: any ide?
[14:52] lmatteis: *idea
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[14:52] trose: deedubs, cool. I couldn't find anything in the docs about it... does it support anything in javascript or something?
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[14:52] deedubs: trose: Yeah its all there
[14:53] trose: deedubs, ohhhhh okay
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[14:53] trose: I thought it was like... a different language. They just put new syntax to js
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[14:54] garrensmith: lmatteis: can you gist you code?
[14:55] zilch_: what the js guru think of joose ? should it be used ?
[14:55] sirganya: I'm assuming that the event end object is created once per end event, all its vars are encapsulated for it's life cycle and I don't have to worry?? 
[14:55] lmatteis: i'm just running request({"uri":"http://foo.com", function(err, response, body){ console.log(body) });
[14:56] zilch_: I am talking about http://code.google.com/p/joose-js/
[14:57] lmatteis: garrensmith: ^
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[14:58] lzskiss: yo
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[14:59] garrensmith: lmatteis: its not the library thats wrong you just need to set teh encoding on body. Maybe try console.log(body.toString())
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[15:00] Industrial: with the output if fs.stat(Sync) (or otherwise), how do I check if a file/node is a directory/
[15:00] lmatteis: garrensmith: hrm, same, getting ? for chars such as é
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[15:01] Industrial: stat.isDirectory, it seems
[15:01] garrensmith: lmatteis: toString('utf-16')
[15:01] trose: is there an express module to do user registration. ie. captcha + email conf?
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[15:03] lmatteis: garrensmith: same :-(
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[15:03] lmatteis: maybe it's my terminal that's not showing it? dunno
[15:03] lmatteis: i doubt it
[15:04] deedubs: lmatteis: That was my guess
[15:04] lmatteis: yes not that, something
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[15:04] garrensmith: lmatteis: last attempt  request({"uri":"http://foo.com", encoding:"utf8"}, function(err, response, body){ console.log(body) });
[15:04] lmatteis: deedubs: no just tried putting data in a database and also it looks weird there
[15:04] lmatteis: garrensmith: also did that :(
[15:04] garrensmith: lmatteis: try again that should work
[15:04] lmatteis: without the -?
[15:05] garrensmith: lmatteis: or utf16 else the data you getting is weird
[15:05] lmatteis: tried with encoding: "utf-8", with "utf8"
[15:05] lmatteis: with "utf16" it throws an error, saying "Unknown encoding"
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[15:06] lmatteis: but none work, still getting question marks
[15:07] garrensmith: lmatteis: sorry cant help. Try another website
[15:07] lmatteis: :-( ok thanks anyway
[15:07] enda_: Hi everybody
[15:08] enda_: I'm just testing node.js
[15:08] enda_: and i don't understand some things
[15:08] enda_: ( sorry for my bad english )
[15:08] enda_: i had created a simple test with http server
[15:08] enda_: but when a client connect
[15:08] enda_: i got this error:
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[15:09] enda_: TypeError: Object #<ServerResponse> has no method 'sendHeader'
[15:09] enda_: why method undeclared ?
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[15:10] garrensmith: lmatteis: do console.log(response)
[15:10] mafintosh: sendHeader was removed a long time ago - use .writeHead instead, http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.12/api/http.html#http.ServerResponse
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[15:11] enda_: oh, ok
[15:11] enda_: thanks
[15:12] lmatteis: garrensmith: so weird :( nope
[15:12] lmatteis: garrensmith: if i do, console.log("José");
[15:12] lmatteis: the é prints just fine
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[15:12] lmatteis: but when it's the body of the request, it becomes a "?" character
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[15:13] garrensmith: lmatteis: I'm not sure request is doing the conversion right.
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[15:13] lmatteis: garrensmith: that's my fear as well
[15:13] garrensmith: lmatteis: wait until mikeal is around and then ask him to check it out
[15:13] lmatteis: but their github page has zero issue on the subject, weird nobody made a request with unicode data
[15:13] slickplaid: is this being displayed in a webpage?
[15:14] slickplaid: and if it is, do you have <meta chartset="utf-8"> set on the page if it is?
[15:15] lmatteis: slickplaid: i don't have control over the webpage
[15:15] lmatteis: it's a simple html page
[15:15] garrensmith: lmatteis: I think this line is wrong https://github.com/mikeal/request/blob/master/main.js#L345
[15:15] garrensmith: lmatteis: doesn't take into account encoding
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[15:16] lmatteis: garrensmith: right, what should it be... i can change it and test
[15:16] lmatteis: i'm not aware of the Request obj
[15:16] lmatteis: sorry i mean Buffer
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[15:16] lmatteis: garrensmith: body.toString() maybe that
[15:16] lmatteis: but i thought in nodejs it's all utf8
[15:16] garrensmith: lmatteis: yes http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.5.10/api/all.html#buffer.toString
[15:17] garrensmith: lmatteis: not its a buffer so I think its just a section in memory
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[15:18] trose: is there already a library/ module for doing user registration or is it so easy no one bothered?
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[15:18] IonEarth: seeking some help on a node.js - trying to make a remote GET to return json, but it returns 404 and blank everytime - however, when I make the call from jQuery, the json returns fine??
[15:19] IonEarth: if i call the same url, but don't return the json - just a simple hello world, that works?
[15:19] mafintosh: IonEarth: Which request headers are you sending? and do you control the service?
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[15:19] slickplaid: trose: User registration is simple :), here's an oAuth lib for more complex things: https://github.com/bnoguchi/everyauth
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[15:20] IonEarth: I control the service
[15:20] trose: slickplaid, well I understand that at the base it is just putting the username and password into a user table. I'm thinking as far as using a captcha and email verification as well
[15:20] mafintosh: IonEarth: Could you share the example?
[15:21] IonEarth: headers are: {"server":"nginx/0.6.33","date":"Thu, 03 Nov 2011 15:20:32 GMT","content-type":"text/html","transfer-encoding":"chunked","connection":"close"}
[15:21] IonEarth: yes i can share sample.
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[15:21] IonEarth: i'll put it up in a link... i think the code would not format nicely in this chat... 2 mins
[15:23] IonEarth: here is my sample: http://dev-app.ionearth.com/2.0/scratchpad.php
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[15:24] IonEarth: so if you look at the code, you will see the url i'm trying to hit
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[15:24] IonEarth: which to save time so you guys can see it is this: http://dev.ionearth.com/api/new/agm/position_time/2612/1279654200/
[15:24] IonEarth: just json...
[15:25] slickplaid: This returns 404: http://dev.ionearth.com/api/new/agm/position_time/2612/1279654200/ 
[15:25] mafintosh: IonEarth: I get a 404
[15:25] slickplaid: did you mistype the url?
[15:25] IonEarth: let me check plz, one min.
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[15:26] IonEarth: wait, i have to open up 80 so you guys can see it... working on AWS EC2 server... one moment - sorry guys
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[15:28] mafintosh: IonEarth: the requests goes through an returns an http response
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[15:28] IonEarth: can you guys try again?  you might have to flushdns... http://dev-app.ionearth.com/2.0/scratchpad.php
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[15:29] IonEarth: crap... guys...
[15:29] IonEarth: DNS issue
[15:29] IonEarth: thank you so so much
[15:29] IonEarth: !! :)
[15:29] slickplaid: hehe
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[15:34] devdazed: are we supposed to be looking at python?/
[15:34] IonEarth: no, we changed a path - thats a debug error
[15:34] IonEarth: here is the url, but all is working now
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[15:35] devdazed: ah
[15:35] IonEarth: http://dev.ionearth.com/api/new/agm/position_time/2612/1279654200
[15:35] IonEarth: i had a dns issue on amazon
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[15:35] IonEarth: does it matter what content-type that the python api is returning
[15:36] remysharp: if I have a process intensive task in a node server - should I split it out to a separate process and talk via sockets? Or is there a better approach?
[15:36] devdazed: IonEarth: probably should return application/javascript
[15:36] IonEarth: i have tried it with text/html, text/json, application/json and they all work
[15:36] devdazed: or json
[15:36] IonEarth: but i will need to open this api up at some point, and what do peeps expect?  i saw that like flickr api is just text/html
[15:37] IonEarth: i like to do things as "right" as possible...
[15:37] devdazed: depends on how its accessed.  json if it will be accessed like this but if it will be used client side, with a callback then application/javascript is best
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[15:38] IonEarth: that particular layer will not be client-side, only this new node.js api will be client-side with the call back
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[15:39] IonEarth: so, in my headers for my node.js api - instead this - response.writeHead(200, { 			'Content-Type': 'text/plain', 			'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' : '*' 		});    I should change it to application/javascript for the callbacks?
[15:39] mAritz: anyone here who can help me with the hlds protocol? :)
[15:39] devdazed: yeah
[15:40] IonEarth: devdazed: thank you so much!  its so nice to be able to ask questions here, the last time I used IRC for an NGINX question i got yelled at... hehe
[15:41] devdazed: lol, no problem 
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[15:41] IonEarth: we are going to use new node.js api to stream data for tracking the iditarod on a google - so you just helped with that!!  thank again bro!!
[15:41] IonEarth: *on a google map
[15:42] devdazed: awesome, no problem :)
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[15:48] secoif: a component in my app uses S3, I'd like to perhaps mock the S3 response, any suggestions on how to go about it?
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[15:50] garrensmith: secoif: write a wrapper class around your s3 lib, and use that to mock out s3
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[15:51] secoif: garrensmith that's what I was thinking, though I wasn't sure how to go about catching the request going out
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[15:52] secoif: using knox, I guess I should just check out how that does it and just swap my own function in? 
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[15:56] garrensmith: secoif: when newing up your object pass a mock in instead of know
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[15:57] secoif: oh.
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[15:57] secoif: IOC
[15:57] secoif: of course
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[16:06] lmatteis: garrensmith: btw, still not working
[16:06] lmatteis: the buffer is a simple array, and it just does a "join" on it
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[16:07] lmatteis: garrensmith: https://github.com/mikeal/request/blob/master/main.js#L337
[16:08] lmatteis: although i'm not sure what 'chunk' is
[16:08] lmatteis: and if there's anything missing there
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[16:09] hipsterslapfight: lmatteis: "chunk can be a string or a buffer. If chunk is a string, the second parameter specifies how to encode it into a byte stream. By default the encoding is 'utf8'."
[16:09] lmatteis: it is a buffer
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[16:10] ecto: hey guys, I have either a brainscratcher or a really stupid question
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[16:11] ecto: i wrote a distrubuted event emitter, https://github.com/ecto/bolt-server/blob/master/mesh.js
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[16:12] ecto: I'm running it in production with ~300 nodes connected to it. It hums along perfectly for about 2 hours at ~1.2% cpu
[16:12] ecto: and then all of my nodes disconnect and it eats up the entrie CPU
[16:12] ecto: am I missing something blatant?
[16:12] lmatteis: hipsterslapfight: but it's not outputting the characters correctly. i'm getting weird "?" characters
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[16:13] jtgiri_: HI guys, does anybody offer Node.js training ? 
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[16:15] lmatteis: even if i add .toString("utf8")
[16:15] lmatteis: still get the same question marks :-(
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[16:19] francisl: what are you guys using to unit test node.js + coffeescript?
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[16:22] ecto: can anyone help me?
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[16:24] ecto: 
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[16:24] isaacs: wow, i just realized i could do this:  cd ~/dev ; ln -s ./js node_modules;
[16:24] isaacs: now in any project, i can require() any other project.
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[16:25] garrensmith:  lmatteis chunked is the little bit of the response body
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[16:25] lmatteis: garrensmith: right, but even with buffer.toString('utf8') nothing changes :(
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[16:26] devaholic: isaacs: whats in js?
[16:26] isaacs: devaholic: oh, a ton of stuff :)
[16:26] devaholic: that links what to who?
[16:26] isaacs: devaholic: isaacs@cometrocket:~/dev-src/js v0.5.11-pre
[16:26] isaacs: $ ls | wc -l
[16:26] isaacs:       88
[16:26] devaholic: dev to js?
[16:26] isaacs: it links ~/dev/js to ~/dev/node_modules
[16:27] isaacs: i guess i could also rename it, but meh.  muscle memory.
[16:27] garrensmith: lmatteis: try doing it without using the request library and see if you get the same response
[16:27] devaholic: isaacs: cool
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[16:28] Aikar: https://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=do+a+barrel+roll
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[16:28] isaacs: that's awesome
[16:28] anddam: hello
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[16:29] devaholic: aikar: lol
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[16:31] devdazed: what other easter eggs arethere?
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[16:33] TheJH: devdazed, you call something an "easter egg" because you have to FIND it, not ask for it :P
[16:33] hipsterslapfight: devaholic: quite a few, if you're talking ones that employ css3 rules, then 'tilt' is another
[16:33] devdazed: haha Th, touche
[16:34] devaholic: devdazed: rescursion
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[16:35] rabbitnewb: hello, what's the difference between child process spawn and child process exec and are they async or block until the process is finished?
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[16:39] anddam: I installed node.js and I ended up with two binaries in PATH, node and node-waf. Does node contain the js engine?
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[16:40] anddam: (as opposed at relying on an external binary for the engine)
[16:40] zaller: dose anyone have any experiance or suggestion on finding a module that supports GSSAPI for ldap or if ldapjs has any plans on eventually supporting it
[16:40] anddam: s/ at / to /
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[16:41] joshkehn: I'm getting an interesting error from node's HTTP lib.
[16:41] joshkehn: "This type of response MUST NOT have a body. Ignoring write() calls."
[16:41] joshkehn: This happens when I call it with curl -I 
[16:41] joshkehn: How can I catch these messages?
[16:41] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: modified the parser
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[16:41] hdf: Hi
[16:42] bnoordhuis: joshkehn: `curl -l` as in ftp list?
[16:42] joshkehn: -I (capital i)
[16:42] hdf: Anyone know, it it is possible, or wil it be possible at some point to call a dll function from node.js?
[16:42] lmatteis: garrensmith: jee, i get the same even using the raw http lib
[16:42] mmalecki: hdf: it's a work in progress, iirc
[16:43] bnoordhuis: joshkehn: right (stupid font)
[16:43] bnoordhuis: your curl is probably sending a HEAD request
[16:43] mmalecki: joshkehn: just check if req.method == 'HEAD'
[16:43] joshkehn: I have mine set to a mono just for that reason. ;)
[16:43] rabbitnewb: sorry for reposting this: what's the difference between child process spawn and child process exec and are they async or block until the process is finished?
[16:43] joshkehn: I could but I would really rather just catch the errors.
[16:43] mmalecki: rabbitnewb: exec buffers output
[16:44] mmalecki: rabbitnewb: so, you receive whole output, not a stream
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[16:44] lmatteis: garrensmith: now i have no clue what it could be :|
[16:44] lmatteis: 
ACTION mind blows

[16:44] bnoordhuis: joshkehn: there is no real error to speak of - if you send a response body to a HEAD request, it's a programmer bug
[16:44] hdf: ok, so at one point it is an intended feature, to be able to call dll -s. ok, thx.
[16:45] joshkehn: bnoordhuis: Hmm, I see your point.
[16:45] joshkehn: Technically it's my fault.
[16:45] joshkehn: Guess I'll just handle it then. :)
[16:45] rabbitnewb: what if you exec/spawn a long running cpu intensive process such as video encoding.....does it block until it's finished, or does node do other stuff until it gets a callback?
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[16:48] anddam: I see in FAQ there are several version managers, what's the need to keep several node.js versions installed?
[16:48] deedubs: rabbitnewb: node just gets a callback no blocking
[16:48] tjholowaychuk: anddam testing
[16:48] tjholowaychuk: usually
[16:48] tjholowaychuk: or if you actually have several apps that require different versions of node
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[16:49] anddam: does compatibility break with updates? (not my case, just out of curiosity)
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[16:49] rabbitnewb: cool.  can you spawn as many child processes as you want (as much as the hardware allows)
[16:49] anddam: I'm asking as I see latest stable is 0.4.12 so there shouldn't have been any major API change
[16:50] mmalecki: anddam: there are huge api changes between 0.4 and 0.5
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[16:50] anddam: I see
[16:51] anddam: what about the V8 engine? is it hardcoded in the node executable?
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[16:51] anddam: I'm comparing it to narwhal where the engine is in a package
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[16:52] mmalecki: anddam: it's statically linked, I think
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[16:54] rabbitnewb: this is probably more of a linux question than a nodejs question, but if I spawn multiple child processes, are they limited by the fact that nodejs is single threaded and won't take advantage of multiple cpu cores?
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[16:55] mmalecki: rabbitnewb: no
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[16:55] mmalecki: rabbitnewb: kernel automagically takes care about this stuff, it will distribute the workload
[16:55] rabbitnewb: cool
[16:55] rabbitnewb: thanks
[16:56] tjholowaychuk: rabbitnewb that's why you're spawning multiple processes
[16:56] tjholowaychuk: :p
[16:56] rabbitnewb: lol ya I was figuring that would be the case but I wanted to make sure
[16:56] rabbitnewb: never took a os class
[16:56] anddam: thanks
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[17:01] grampajoe: Is there a module that works like socket.io (custom events, JSON) over regular TCP sockets?
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[17:04] Aikar: grampajoe: yes, my wormhole, http://github.com/aikar/wormhole
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[17:06] grampajoe: Aikar: That looks perfect, thanks!
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[17:10] Aikar: grampajoe: FD support wont work in v5 though since node removed that functionality :(
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[17:12] mmalecki: grampajoe: or dnode
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[17:13] Aikar: dnode uses websockets protocol iirc? i think he wants something more lightweight
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[17:13] mmalecki: Aikar: it uses websockets and some custom protocol as well
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[17:14] benvie: https://gist.github.com/1337083
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[17:15] mmalecki: hm, cool. something happened to my DNS and I can't connect to anything now.
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[17:16] grampajoe: mmalecki: That looks interesting, and cartoon turtles are cool, but all I need right now is a convenient way to pass JSON around over TCP. Thanks, though!
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[17:17] benvie: JSON.stringify and parse do that unless you're trying to do crazy stuff like mirror the whole DOM like I am
[17:18] Aikar: benvie: yeah but also gotta hamdle messages, and i think he wanted diff channels
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[17:18] benvie: oh that's something else
[17:19] benvie: https://gist.github.com/1337098 would end up serializing the whole DOM via some random reference to documentElement
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[17:19] grampajoe: Mostly I don't want to deal with framing/buffering messages
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[17:20] Aikar: WH does that in a very performant way :P
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[17:30] wankdanker: bnoordhuis: do you have time do discuss https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1993 ?
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[17:31] deedubs: I think my favorite part about node is that a 'slow' test is like 200ms whereas I wait minutes for rails test suites to complete
[17:31] bnoordhuis: wankdanker: sure
[17:31] bnoordhuis: so both processes are bound - but do both receive datagrams?
[17:31] wankdanker: bnoordhuis: yes, that is the case on my system using 4.12
[17:31] wankdanker: bnoordhuis: including from themselves
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[17:32] bnoordhuis: wankdanker: `uname -a`?
[17:32] wankdanker: Linux dellp390-02 3.0.0-12-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 7 14:56:25 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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[17:32] wankdanker: bnoordhuis: it also behaves this way on Linux 2.6.38
[17:32] bnoordhuis: hmm, maybe that behaviour changed somewhere between 2.6.32 and 3.0
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[17:33] wankdanker: bnoordhuis: do you know if that behavior is possible in windows? because i imagine that would be the deal breaker
[17:33] Harzilein: hmm
[17:33] bnoordhuis: one reason we don't touch SO_REUSEADDR is that it behaves inconsistently across unices
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[17:33] bnoordhuis: and apparently also across linux versions :)
[17:33] Harzilein: does search.npmjs.org have a way to specify a search with a fragment?
[17:33] Harzilein: so i can link a search?
[17:33] wankdanker: bnoordhuis: ahh. ha!
[17:34] IonEarth: Hi everyone, I have a problem with some JSON i'm requesting from my Python API - it's returning the JSON fine, but it only writes a portion of it.  Is there a timeout or something that I am missing?  I have examples and links to my json api and my node.js client page...
[17:34] bnoordhuis: wankdanker: i discussed it with piscisaureus - iirc it depends on the windows version
[17:34] bnoordhuis: 
ACTION digs through his log files

[17:34] wankdanker: bnoordhuis: hmm. that sucks. what do you think about exposing setsockopt? 
[17:35] baudehlo: 
ACTION would love setsockopt or fcntl exposed

[17:35] wankdanker: bnoordhuis: cuz at least if that was exposed then the user could set options for their environment?
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[17:35] baudehlo: but it's never going to happen.
[17:35] mmalecki: baudehlo: node addon?
[17:35] baudehlo: yup
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[17:36] mmalecki: baudehlo: sounds pretty easy to write :)
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[17:36] baudehlo: Yeah, probably true.
[17:36] baudehlo: node-net-ext
[17:36] elliottcable: <3 purr
[17:36] purr: Let it be known that elliottcable hearts purr.
[17:36] baudehlo: same as node-fs-ext
[17:36] bnoordhuis: wankdanker: can't do - setsockopt (its options anyway) are not really portable
[17:37] baudehlo: I hate that policy :)
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[17:37] baudehlo: it reminds me of Java.
[17:37] wankdanker: bnoordhuis: what if a subset of the options were exposed in a way that would make them work portably?
[17:38] bnoordhuis: baudehlo: java created more jobs than anything else in this industry
[17:38] wankdanker: bnoordhuis: ie; whatever options could be portable, allow those to be used
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[17:38] bnoordhuis: wankdanker: hrm, it's a slippery slope
[17:38] baudehlo: bnoordhuis: that's hugely debatable. Those jobs would have been there anyway, just using something else.
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[17:39] wankdanker: bnoordhuis: i hear ya.
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[17:39] bnoordhuis: i suppose we should look into what's possible
[17:39] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: jobs taken mostly by morons.
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[17:40] wankdanker: bnoordhuis: unfortunately a module i was working on depended on this behavior and without it, it's nearly useless beyond 4.12
[17:40] baudehlo: Java didn't suddenly create a load of tasks that required programming.
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[17:40] isaacs: "creating jobs" isn't what programming is for.
[17:40] isaacs: programming is to remove jobs.
[17:40] bnoordhuis: baudehlo: but it did give rise to concepts as the high-level (and high-earning) application architect
[17:41] isaacs: creating jobs means creating work.
[17:41] bnoordhuis: wankdanker: let's punt on it until after 0.6 is released
[17:41] mmalecki: isaacs++
[17:41] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: also, i'm a recovering enterprise java programmer
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[17:41] isaacs: the greatest success of node will be if it makes each programmer more productive, meanign that you can do more with fewer of them.
[17:41] baudehlo: wankdanker: I had the same experience - the removal of a bunch of stuff made one of my modules never able to work on 0.5.
[17:41] rklancer: "Java didn't suddenly create a load of tasks that required programming": I thought that was what it was for???
[17:42] isaacs: wankdanker, baudehlo: what makes your modules "never able to work on 0.5"?
[17:42] rklancer: maybe it only seemed that way from the outside
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[17:42] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: sorry to hear that. also, java == enterprise, RIGHT?!
[17:42] baudehlo: isaacs: the removal of netbinding.pipe and passing fds to child processes.
[17:42] wankdanker: bnoordhuis: ok. 
[17:42] isaacs: oh, right
[17:42] baudehlo: (and yes I know netbinding.pipe wasn't really exposed)
[17:42] isaacs: yeah
[17:42] isaacs: and it wasn't ever going to be portable.
[17:43] isaacs: so, bubye
[17:43] wankdanker: isaacs: for me it's broadcast/multicast and binding behavior
[17:43] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: not quite - there is java and there is enterprise java and never the twain shall meet
[17:43] baudehlo: neither is qmail-queue
[17:43] baudehlo: some people need access to things that aren't portable.
[17:43] isaacs: it would be good to have a net-ext like the fs-ext, for stuff that is unix-only
[17:43] wankdanker: isaacs: see https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1993
[17:43] baudehlo: isaacs: yeah that might be the only way to do it.
[17:43] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: haha, OK, so what's the difference?
[17:44] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: enterprise java is a jungle of lumbering over-designed frameworks
[17:44] bnoordhuis: it's been good for consultants though
[17:44] isaacs: baudehlo: while it's a little bit of a pita, i know, it's also really important that node-core be 100% consistent across all the platforms we support.
[17:44] baudehlo: I haven't had change to try it yet, but do C++ extensions compile under 0.4.x and 0.5.x the same?
[17:45] wankdanker: yeah, a net-ext would be nice.
[17:45] isaacs: ie, node-core's exposed/documented api, that is
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[17:45] bnoordhuis: baudehlo: mostly
[17:45] baudehlo: I should try fs-ext on it.
[17:45] baudehlo: or has anyone?
[17:45] CIA-109: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r0e9c1ca 10/ (308 files in 24 dirs): Downgrade V8 to 3.6.4 - http://git.io/gqgoWQ
[17:45] benvie: uh oh
[17:46] baudehlo: downgrade? :)
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[17:46] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: it reminds me of those hilarious project patterns
[17:46] mmalecki: like, visitor or whatever
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[17:46] bnoordhuis: oh, design patterns
[17:46] bnoordhuis: well, not all are bad
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[17:46] bnoordhuis: but enterprise people are a little too much in love with them
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[17:47] mmalecki: and why are we downgrading, btw?
[17:47] devdazed: down to 3.6.4, i guess that means the new GC isn't that great 
[17:47] bnoordhuis: bugs in v8 3.7.x
[17:47] baudehlo: shame, 3.6.5 looked really good.
[17:47] devdazed: 3.6.4 was the version just before the new GC
[17:47] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: YOU'RE NOT ENTERPRISE READY YET.
[17:47] bnoordhuis: 
ACTION recompiles again...

[17:48] bnoordhuis: ^ that's very enterprise-y btw
[17:48] baudehlo: new gc, fixed the heap size bugs...
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[17:49] devdazed: not really, the new GC still started to thrash at about 2 gigs
[17:49] devdazed: and the hard limit was still set at 2 gigs
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[17:49] mmalecki: if you need 2 GB of memory you probably shouldn't use node in the first place
[17:50] devdazed: why is that?
[17:50] baudehlo: I hate that attitude :)
[17:50] baudehlo: we should be able to prototype any hugely memory consuming monster in node if we want to.
[17:51] mmalecki: tell me why you need 2 GB of memory and I will tell you why doing it in node is a bad idea
[17:51] baudehlo: Did you also think 640k would always be enough?
[17:51] devdazed: I'm using node and in one project it uses up to 8 gigs
[17:51] devdazed: i get past the memory issue by using a c module to store the data
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[17:51] mmalecki: devdazed: and what makes node go to 8 gigs of memory usage?
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[17:52] benvie: media encoding would be my guess, or moving around a butt ton of data
[17:52] devdazed: for my particular use case, I need it to do real time decisioning of ads
[17:52] devdazed: and i have to repond in 50ms
[17:52] devdazed: so looping over a db is out of the question
[17:52] devdazed: plus we get requests in the hundreds per second
[17:53] mmalecki: benvie: media encoding is definitely not a job for node
[17:53] devdazed: so having everything in resident memory is a must
[17:53] baudehlo: mmalecki: I just hate arbitrary limits. Especially when OS's have so much more ram.
[17:53] mraleph: devdazed: if you have a good benchmark that demonstrates thrashing of the new GC you should submit it.
[17:53] domino14: hi guys. i can't get this very simple socket.io example to work: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6411070/nodejs-socket-io-simple-client-server-example-not-working
[17:53] domino14: i'm a newb
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[17:53] domino14: any help? the page loads but i think the socket never connects. i've tried on various browsers
[17:53] mmalecki: devdazed: hm, so, a lot of data processing?
[17:53] mraleph: devdazed: also hard limit is easily changeable by a command line flag.
[17:53] baudehlo: Storing as a 2 level cache too is a good use case. Level 1 = ram, level 2 = redis/memcached, level 3 = go to the database.
[17:53] jerrysv: mraleph: run the benchmarks from here, with gc profiling: https://github.com/JerrySievert/node-judy
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[17:54] devdazed: mraleph: the hard limit is set because thats when gc starts to thrash. 
[17:54] jerrysv: mraleph: you should be able to see it thrash
[17:54] CIA-109: node: 03Maciej Małecki 07master * r481c175 10/ test/simple/test-net-pipe-connect-errors.js : 
[17:54] CIA-109: node: test error codes related to pipes
[17:54] CIA-109: node: This tests passes on node v0.4, but fails on node v0.5. v0.5 seems to
[17:54] CIA-109: node: generally lack error codes for various error events related to UNIX
[17:54] CIA-109: node: pipes.
[17:54] CIA-109: node: Fixes #2001 - http://git.io/YvdixA
[17:54] mraleph: devdazed: not it is set to prevent tabs allocating too much memory.
[17:54] domino14: has anything changed in new versions of pacakges that would mak e that code not work?
[17:54] mraleph: devdazed: it should not trash unless you allocate at a very high rate.
[17:55] sarlalian: domino14: I'm not sure, but Socket.io is an evolving standard if I remember correctly
[17:55] mraleph: and everything survives forever
[17:55] mraleph: jerrysv: I will try, thanks.
[17:55] domino14: so how can i find out whats wrong
[17:55] jerrysv: mraleph: no promises that it still compiles/runs under 0.5 though :)
[17:55] devdazed: mraleph: do a simple for loop that pushes on to an array, then do a --trace-gc
[17:55] devdazed: once it gets to about 2 gigs, the gc will pause for seconds at a time
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[17:56] jerrysv: devdazed: that's essentially what the benchmarks i linked to do, and again with judy arrays, allocated in c
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[17:56] mmalecki: devdazed: btw, you might be better of clustering/using multiple servers
[17:56] mraleph: well. as I said... nothing will help you if you constantly allocate
[17:56] mmalecki: devdazed: you could use some clever routing, even
[17:57] devdazed: mmalecki: clustering, yes, routing no
[17:57] mmalecki: devdazed: why not?
[17:57] mraleph: and it started pausing exactly because it approached the hard limit
[17:57] devdazed: all decision is real time. theres no way to know ahead of time which server has the contect
[17:57] fairwinds: isaacs: hi ya. I have a custom module i have installed globally from folder. This module is required by another custom module that I also attempting to install globally. The first module installs fine but emits 404 that it cannot find the first. npm -ls shows the first module installed with the correct version. There were no errors encountered with install of first global module.
[17:57] mmalecki: devdazed: not exactly what I mean
[17:57] mraleph: it was doing last resort GCs all the time to attempt to free some memory.
[17:58] mmalecki: devdazed: you could have multiple servers query the same db, etc.
[17:58] mraleph: and lastresort GCs are not incremental
[17:58] mraleph: they are completely done in one go.
[17:58] devdazed: again, every item in the db has to be evaluated with every request
[17:58] devdazed: like a scorecard
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[17:58] sarlalian: domino14: I'm a noob at node also, so I have no idea...
[17:59] devdazed: mmalecki: i am, however, working on a module that will distribute tasks among other node process of its kind
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[17:59] devdazed: think p2p meets map reduce and socket.io
[17:59] mmalecki: devdazed: nice.
[17:59] mmalecki: devdazed: you may want to check out hook.io
[17:59] mraleph: so if you'd bumped hard limit with a flag to say 8gb you would only see trashing once you approached 8gb
[18:00] fairwinds: isaacs: not sure what the issue is - global is global is it not?
[18:00] isaacs: fairwinds: global is not for require()
[18:00] isaacs: global is for cli applications
[18:00] devdazed: mmalecki: its a bit heavy for what i need.  i want this to be very lightweight
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[18:00] mmalecki: devdazed: fair enough
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[18:01] tjholowaychuk: devdazed zmq would be great for that, but im assuming you already looked into zmq
[18:01] isaacs: tim_smart|away: Hey, you own the "dude" package, but it's got no code in it
[18:02] isaacs: tim_smart|away: mind unpublishing so that https://github.com/fhemberger/dude can go there?
[18:02] devdazed: tjholowaychuk: zmq is ok, but the concept behind what I'm doing is for message queueing
[18:02] devdazed: is for distributing work
[18:02] tjholowaychuk: devdazed sure
[18:02] devdazed: and reducing it later.
[18:02] tjholowaychuk: that's what zmq .. is for
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[18:03] Kireji: is there a community standard for people who want MVC frameworks within node?
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[18:03] fairwinds: isaacs: thanks. the module I am attempting to install is a cli app where the first is it requires the first. What do you suggest where the first module is not a public module where I need to install second globally on system? 
[18:03] mmalecki: lebowski ipsum> nice.
[18:03] devdazed: like map reduce, similar to how cassandra works, but not for data
[18:03] devdazed: for any task
[18:04] fairwinds: isaacs: sorry, wil try to say again. The second is the cli app where it requires the first module I attempted to install globally.
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[18:04] devdazed: tjholowaychuk: i meant NOT for message queueing
[18:04] tjholowaychuk: ah
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[18:04] isaacs: fairwinds: i'd recommend just using npm link
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[18:04] tjholowaychuk: devdazed well you can just pub
[18:04] isaacs: fairwinds: cd app1; npm link; cd ../app2; npm link app1; npm link
[18:04] tjholowaychuk: but i doubt you'll find something in node nearly as  fast
[18:04] isaacs: fairwinds: then you can do your dev, test, dev, test, all without re-installing each time
[18:05] tjholowaychuk: which may or may not be a problem
[18:05] fairwinds: isaacs: k, thanks
[18:05] fairwinds: appreciate it
[18:05] devdazed: tjholowaychuk: pub?
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[18:06] devdazed: its more p2p not pub-sub, if thats what you mean
[18:06] Kireji: how do people typically deal with writing tests within node projects?
[18:06] devdazed: its homogeneous so there is no need for a centralized server
[18:06] Glenjamin: isaacs: does "npm install" still clobber links?
[18:07] tjholowaychuk: devdazed zmq isnt centralized
[18:07] isaacs: Glenjamin: only with --force
[18:07] Glenjamin: nice one
[18:07] devdazed: tjholowaychuk: but its just for message passing.  this actually does work
[18:07] isaacs: Glenjamin: otherwise, npm install foo will only clobber stuff that links to the foo package.
[18:07] Glenjamin: i mean "npm install" in a dir with package.json where the dependency is met by the link
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[18:08] devdazed: tjholowaychuk: like if you wanted to distribute calculating fibonacci :/
[18:08] Glenjamin: Kireji: i dunno if there's a "typically", there's quite a few approaches
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[18:08] isaacs: Glenjamin: oh, yeah, npm install skips over anything there already.
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[18:09] Glenjamin: Kireji: vows, expresso, nodeunit, jasmine, node-tap are all pretty good - and I probably forgot some
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[18:12] Kireji: Glenjamin: thanks - still doing a lot of googling, learning
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[18:20] domino14: why is socket.io so unstable?
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[18:21] domino14: this tutorial is literlaly like 2 months old and it didnt work until i changed something
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[18:21] mmalecki: domino14: because node.js is moving fast.
[18:22] devdazed: domino14: you can always contribute ;)
[18:22] mmalecki: but yeah, authors should mention which versions tutorial works with
[18:22] prudhvi: is this a right place to ask about npm?
[18:22] isaacs: yes
[18:22] sarlalian: domino14: Node is still a relatively new platform, there are new versions every week or two, and things are moving quickly
[18:22] devdazed: i think the package.json should be pinned to specific versions and not just be >0.4
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[18:23] prudhvi: i am trying to install mongodb with native extensions, on my linux machine, npm or the build system rather complains taht it could not find bson module.
[18:24] prudhvi: node version is 0.5.10
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[18:25] devdazed: prudhvi: don't use native extensions with node-mongodb native
[18:25] devdazed: the json parser is faster
[18:26] bjhaid: hi
[18:26] devdazed: s/json/JS
[18:26] prudhvi: devdazed: but, i noticed that i couldn't get node@0.5.10 work with mongoose or mongodb
[18:27] bjhaid: I am intending to work on a project that runs remote desktop via html5 websockets, I have researched and realised a couple of people have done something similar with node.js, I would like to know if its possible to get the screen capture with js, thanks
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[18:27] devdazed: prudhvi: what is the exact problem you are having?  i am using it fine
[18:27] devdazed: with 0.5.10
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[18:28] mmalecki: bjhaid: most likely a C addon
[18:28] magnetik: On node.js 0.5.10, I'm using a TLS server, with the "requestCert" option set to true. But is there any way to force another certificate request
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[18:28] prudhvi: devdazed: with node 0.5.10 amd mongoose@2.3.8. When i do something like Model.find({}, func(e,c){}); it gets stuck in an infinite loop
[18:28] magnetik: To enable the user to change certificate
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[18:29] context: can you change the cert used on an already established connection?
[18:30] context: i mean... does the protocol even allow that
[18:30] magnetik: humm, I suppose I have to close the connexion, but there is a way to do this ?
[18:30] bjhaid: mmalecki: thanks but do you have link you can direct me to, i aint too much of a C person
[18:30] magnetik: i'm using https.CreateServer.. ?
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[18:30] devdazed: prudhvi: I'm not sure, i haven't seen that happen
[18:31] context: magnetik: i was asking. im unaware of the ability to change cert on an already established connection. but closing/starting a new conenction with cert required obviously gives them the opportunity to change the cert...
[18:32] magnetik: i'm not realy a TLS pro, but I don't think it's possible. 
[18:32] mmalecki: bjhaid: I have no idea if such module exists, sorry. I mentioned it because it's the only sane way to do that.
[18:32] mmalecki: or, maybe some streaming stuff.
[18:32] magnetik: But I don't know how to close an existing connection
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[18:34] bjhaid: mmalecki: thanks
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[18:35] magnetik: context, there is a way to close the connection with node ?
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[18:36] baudehlo: lots of ways
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[18:38] magnetik: ? 
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[18:41] baudehlo: .end(), .destroySoon() and .destroy()
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[18:44] ryanrolds_w: Have a bad question. So, I'm working on some socket code. I'm supposed to send an EOF. Can't figure how to do that.
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[18:45] isaacs: ryanrolds_w: socket.end() or socket.destroySoon()
[18:45] isaacs: ryanrolds: .end() says "i'm done over here, but if you have more data, then i'll keep taking it"
[18:45] mmalecki: (also know as half-close, iirc)
[18:45] isaacs: ryanrolds: destroySoon() says "I'm done" and then, as soon as that's said, it forcibly terminates the connection
[18:45] ryanrolds_w: Ok, doh. That makes sense. In my mind end == destroy. I'm a dunse.
[18:45] ryanrolds_w: *dunce
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[18:46] isaacs: yeah, it's a confusing api.  we'll clean it up in 0.7/0.8
[18:46] joemccann: sup
[18:46] isaacs: so, destroySoon will turn into .close(), basically
[18:46] ryanrolds_w: It makes sense. I'm happy with with the API, just having a brain fart on this one thing.
[18:47] ryanrolds_w: Thanks isaacs.
[18:47] isaacs: and for most purposes, you'll use .end(), unless it's a duplex stream that you don't want to be half-open
[18:47] ryanrolds_w: If I'm using .pipe() that should be calling end automatically, correct?
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[18:48] isaacs: ryanrolds: yes.
[18:48] zomg: Shouldn't adding an 'error' listener to a net Connection prevent it from exploding the entire app?
[18:48] isaacs: .pipe() should do the right hting
[18:48] zomg: At least I thought I read somewhere that doing that will replace the standard "oh hey here's an uncatchable exception for you" handler
[18:48] ryanrolds_w: Cool, going to have to chat with the person working on the other end of the socket.
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[18:56] baudehlo: unless you pass {end: false} to pipe() of course, but then you're expected to know what you're doing.
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[19:16] trose: so I'm using socket.io to emit an 'update' message whenever my database changes
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[19:16] emerleite: \
[19:16] trose: i linked it to my session so I can access it from an express server but it doesn't seem to work
[19:16] emerleite: 17:16 *** NAMES emerleite arcanis zemanel ultramagnus jslatts captain_morgan joemccann errordeveloper aconbere AvianFlu madhums franciscallo catshirt mandric StanlySoManly hij1nx fread2281 ninjapig jhurliman p1d MatthewS Isaiah blup balgarath apoc fangel gut4 LifterAH_ bengrue ryanrolds_w broofa Twisol tilgovi jnbek cgfuh Bonuspunkt coderdad neilk_ bjhaid whitman bosphorus Marko_ `3rdEden alexdoom perezd simenbrekken
[19:16] emerleite:  dget ayaz JasonJS atourino dnyy jimt_ dreamdust tlocalhos jxson rklancer sdudenhofer kuebk^ _sorensen_ Moko|afk jbrokc patcito boltR plutoniix jacobolus malkomalko chrislorenz scott_gonzalez davidascher agnat magnetik bradleymeck githogori brion purr herbySk IonEarth ryanj JaKWaC jerrysv saschagehlich luke` gregpascale nphase mmalecki coreb langworthy harthur vereteran mc_greeny chrixian wbednarski jtsnow martin_sun
[19:16] emerleite: set TooTallNate jaequery stephank michaeldeol briancray jgallen23 tahu grampajoe pizthewiz kenperkins ank zackattack jonrohan|away fzzzy zaller_ maletor joshthecoder knifed ryan_stevens te-brian wadey devaholic Carter kitt fatjonny TheJH enmand_ koo6 EyePulp _dc qbit_ dilvie jtgiri_ trotter dshaw_ brianc1 cjroebuck tisba kurtzhong Guest9857 stagas xsyn fairwinds malletjo nyxtom tjbell amiller lazyshot ecin nyrb jocaf
[19:16] emerleite: a xetorthio airhorns icrusade smtlaissezfaire tjholowaychuk devdazed eignerchris BillyBreen ph^ Industrial francisl ej_ postwait eb4890 RORgasm deedubs zilch_ aelien27 neurodrone willwhite ixti c4milo igl1 FMJaguar maligree _kud JumpMast3r lyte dharmesh Gonzih davidwalsh mafintosh Venom_X remysharp jstash AphelionZ mraleph Esteb fermion xy ceej mpenderg1aft brianloveswords metellus Poetro @piscisaureus_ tomlion Aaron
[19:16] emerleite: MT luizlopes baudehlo jtrudeau stalled Vennril mpoz2 jscheel jpdery_ PeteDaGuru davidsklar miccolis flexd webben fumanchu182 tomilain1 jomoho2 Swizec matt_c dubenstein vkareh otih shedinja tmpvar aslant cjm ohtogo Kunda EvRide d0k pandeiro tiagobutzke jaminja HardPhuc|AFK nopnop sineltor __doc__ ttilley lauxley ppcano Ned_ ktos JKarsrud PhilK vi390 flamboz Sami_ZzZ tomb joeyang animorten rendar Druid_ uchuff skunkape
[19:16] emerleite:  bnoordhuis kuya loob2 AAA_awright DennisRas lmatteis olegp bradwright blissdev nym RexM daleharvey_ indutny ryanseddon robb1e_ chunhao_ matthijs niftylettuce owenb HT kkszysiu_ verdoc zz_shykes Dreamer3 KiNgMaR McMAGIC--Copy prudhvi jgornick systemfault kimico xonix AD7six pokoli criswell yorick benvie hdon- akujin cha0s kawaz_home FearOfMusic DanoManion nebiros FIQ|screen chjj stisti MrNko descipher levi501d cognom
[19:16] emerleite: inal___ orospakr tomh isufy berasa JohnBeales trupppOFF Alex_R_ dmwuw nodelog ddollar halfhalo mikl xandy jeromegn zpao_ alindeman Draggor mbruce paulwe mdel topaxi htoothrot slickplaid L_star te-brian2 Glenjamin christine SuMarDi Harzilein polyrhythmic Twelve-60 fson Karmalicious djbell Guest19637 context odyniec framlin morgabra nw` zinkem robashton rcaskey d4rk1ink pandark_ ekes SubStack Skyec dvf ashb jesusabdull
[19:16] trose: I mean, it works sometimes but not others
[19:17] emerleite: ah madari lukstr korch franck34 chilts mrkurt sstephenson DrPizza geoffeg eventualbuddha Dmitrijus MooGoo @pquerna maeldur gkatsev ByteCrunch tbranyen lgm mac^_ ralph Marak Hosh fuzzyone jburkhart rhizmoe lunchub dabailey CoverSlide nuba Liquid-Silence strmpnk mattly Daegalus thisandagain a11235_ xerox enhydra rook2pawn stutter robinduckett threedaymonk marienz tomaw Mike[tm] tellnes @ryah irclogger_com VeXii Pierre_
[19:17] emerleite: N mikegerwitz brainproxy telemachus cjackson dawolf yenz zentooo boxysean deoxxombie ryanrolds cnu jonaslund chrischris|afk nail_ tmm1 `10` jn przemoc onr jp323 kei clickmoon m4rcs janne augustl lifty visnup Tobias| rektide rphillips tg swaj lukegb Hamms NuckOff paulbaumgart wao Lartsa sugyan_ MikeW inimino zemm callumacrae mquin stelcheck naneau jakeskik munro Sembiance Lorentz krazyivan elliottcable khmer_ atiti Ne
[19:17] emerleite: wky izz_ royh hotspants parse mediaslave ircretary Guest18468 DJBouche mattp_ Ezku RichardBronosky wereHamster Ober trodrigues kaarlo arkx dantalizing mct shachaf gaYak drudge Lingerance mjr_ stbuehler coffeecup guybrush Drakonite Tobbe hazridi meder Kester Lars_unique rudolfrck jspiros s0enke pransalad tim_smart|away phiggins apejens DRMacIver zedas zhware_ Connorhd Aikar Slashbunny Bodil zamolxes SlexAxton jlaire i
[19:17] emerleite: smell MrNibbles doffm f1gm3nt al_ol sveisvei sriley salazr_ arpunk gregmoreno fearphage mediacoder FireFly forzan JP joc mekwall freeformz riven @piscisaureus schwab zomg versicolor kkaefer Raynos iFire Circlefusion CIA-109 SvenDowideit sris btipling plhw__ maqr omni5cience scottschecter __main__ Kami_ merlin83 einaros foobarfighter whoops yobi pzich kloeri epsas imarcusthis sander^home inarru er1c_ ossareh raydeo aa
[19:17] emerleite: kour bwinton_away trose jzacsh slloyd termie rachet gwoo yogurt_truck JmZ_ Dulak Guest42432 mikey_p franksalim doki_pen jsvana Will| jamesd jrogers_ adreams T-Co thedjinn jebberjeb ollie spurge kersny actonapp Andeye anaio TheNumb dscape emostar gerard0 tlrobinson_ freewil dynacker blueadept` thepatr1ck tshpaper seb` zivester optixx sdboyer Leonidas progrock wang Gruni zorzar tiglionabbit finsken ianl` sgimeno \ask P
[19:17] emerleite: eeter majek OneOfOne_ ncb000gt avih tanepiper metadaddy shenlok_ JasonSmith Epelii txxt jdparker pkrumins Pilate necromancer cce roger_raymond minerale Miko2 SargoDarya walkah aude|away Corey kiko_ duckspeaker bob2 kilnaar dhasenan joeytwiddle vkandy __sri d_low_ KevinT Riton pavelz russell_h Gregor flagg0204 ircdearia RushPL mde Typo __class__ else mrtazz r04r wookiehangover j-dev wankdanker jkridner kimico` Danielp
[19:17] emerleite: k jvolkman kholo_ Sidnicious scrogson mattpardee Gekz marlun killfill pekim ajpiano iskren jeremyselier gf3 matti footyfish wink_ McPak bentruyman hoodow _mdp kraft crodas DoNaLd` srijan4 sstreza trepan ejnahc mape PuffTheMagic markatto rednul stride zpao pct teadict keeto silky maru_cc mavin|gone The_Fly up_the_irons ben_alman seqastian jackyyll davv3 ctide cconstantine Astro rgmarcha_ jcarouth don_jones ag4ve russf
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[19:17] AphelionZ: nice
[19:17] DennisRas: cool
[19:17] necromancer: are you kidding
[19:17] Aikar: ban!
[19:17] ByteCrunch: ;)
[19:17] jackyyll: sweet
[19:17] jeromegn: hah
[19:17] amiller: neato
[19:17] Swizec: holy fuck what?
[19:17] nphase: KILL HIM
[19:17] xy: :)
[19:17] nphase: KILL
[19:17] nphase: HIM
[19:17] lmatteis: :|
[19:17] AvianFlu: honestly, looks like an accident
[19:17] dnyy: i thought i was cool for a second :(
[19:17] DennisRas: die!
[19:17] yobi: how did he do thaT=)
[19:17] fumanchu182: that was fun
[19:17] fzzzy has left the channel
[19:17] ninjapig: someone punch this idiot in the face
[19:17] xy: nphase: already klined
[19:17] knifed: na
[19:17] ByteCrunch: i'm awake again, thx
[19:17] amiller: that was just what i needed todya
[19:17] amiller: hit the spot
[19:17] nphase: thx xy 
[19:17] amiller: i feel great
[19:17] Corey: It requires no further comment.
[19:17] knifed: kill that beast
[19:17] trose: LOL
[19:17] ninjapig: hello node.js
[19:17] tanepiper: who awakes me
[19:17] chrixian: how dare you make this window beep at me
[19:17] tanepiper: oh an irc troll
[19:17] nphase: cool, the next 20 minutes lf #node.js will be this.
[19:17] captain_morgan: someone talked about me! squeeee
[19:17] ecin_ has joined the channel
[19:17] Aikar: I thought I was cool and someone was talking to me :(
[19:17] amiller: well now that we're all here
[19:17] RexM: he brought life to the channel
[19:17] knifed: lol chrixian 
[19:17] ninjapig: i FARTED
[19:18] willwhite: RAAAARR
[19:18] mikl: lynch mob
[19:18] tg: hehe
[19:18] jslatts: burp
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[19:18] dubenstein: бумп
[19:18] jhurliman: :-S
[19:18] knifed: room come to life
[19:18] yhahn: someone said something happened here
[19:18] ninjapig: Seriously, I FARTEd
[19:18] dubenstein: ))
[19:18] slickplaid: yay I'm popular someone said my na... oh nm :(
[19:18] jonrohan has left the channel
[19:18] willwhite: peas and carrots!
[19:18] Marak: sup
[19:18] MatthewS: guess i need to disable ctcp again
[19:18] jstash: I don't think his script is working ;)
[19:18] Marak: lol
[19:18] luizlopes: what on earth?!
[19:18] tg: this happened on #emacs couple of times recently
[19:18] mikl: three's a crowd :)
[19:18] amiller: okay well see all you guys next time.
[19:18] yobi: he copied the names in the DIV :)
[19:18] ajpiano: well, now that we have all these angry geeks in one place, anyone want to grab some pitchforks and go do a mob somewhere
[19:18] jacobolus: that's a sort of grenade-and-run tactic there?
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[19:19] slickplaid: i hear the weather is nice in oakland
[19:19] tg: iirc it's an emacs irc client bug 
[19:19] mikl: perhaps it's time we made a Node.js IRC server :)
[19:19] SlexAxton: let's go sockpuppet vote on hacker news!
[19:19] michaeldeol: @ajpiano no but lunch sounds good now ;)
[19:19] yobi: mikl: there is irccloud.com
[19:19] mikl: yay for sockpuppets
[19:19] yobi: On Erlang I think
[19:19] trose: the nerds have awakened
[19:19] pandeiro: excitement
[19:19] slickplaid: geeks. it's geeks tyvm :)
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[19:19] trose: that's what all the nerds say
[19:20] trose: :D
[19:20] pandeiro: beep beep beep-beep-beep
[19:20] slickplaid: true :(
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[19:20] pandeiro: what i killed it?
[19:21] slickplaid: attention spans exceeded, back to work
[19:21] przemoc: maybe channel came to life, but it was a fake life, I would say... good that the wrongdoer has been already treated accordingly. / now I can return to my dormant state. ;)
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[19:22] trose: And like that the Awakening of the Nerds came to an end
[19:23] trose: 
ACTION is going to tweet about this day

[19:24] trolly: trolly jimmysparkle alexdoom jbpros ej__ sarlalian sdwrage yhahn ecin maushu arcanis jslatts captain_morgan errordeveloper aconbere AvianFlu madhums franciscallo catshirt mandric StanlySoManly hij1nx fread2281 ninjapig jhurliman p1d MatthewS Isaiah blup balgarath apoc fangel gut4 LifterAH_ bengrue ryanrolds_w broofa Twisol tilgovi jnbek cgfuh Bonuspunkt coderdad neilk_ bjhaid whitman bosphorus Marko_ `3rdEden perezd simenbrekken dget ayaz JasonJS atourino
[19:24] trolly: dnyy jimt_ dreamdust tlocalhos jxson rklancer sdudenhofer kuebk^ _sorensen_ Moko|afk jbrokc patcito plutoniix jacobolus malkomalko chrislorenz scott_gonzalez davidascher agnat magnetik bradleymeck githogori brion purr herbySk IonEarth ryanj JaKWaC jerrysv saschagehlich luke` gregpascale nphase mmalecki coreb langworthy harthur vereteran mc_greeny chrixian wbednarski jtsnow martin_sunset TooTallNate jaequery stephank michaeldeol briancray jgallen23 tahu
[19:24] trolly: grampajoe pizthewiz kenperkins ank zackattack zaller_ maletor joshthecoder knifed ryan_stevens te-brian wadey devaholic Carter kitt fatjonny TheJH enmand_ koo6 EyePulp _dc qbit_ dilvie jtgiri_ trotter dshaw_ brianc1 cjroebuck tisba kurtzhong Guest9857 stagas xsyn fairwinds malletjo nyxtom tjbell amiller lazyshot nyrb jocafa xetorthio airhorns icrusade smtlaissezfaire tjholowaychuk devdazed eignerchris BillyBreen ph^ Industrial francisl ej_ postwait eb4890
[19:24] trolly: RORgasm deedubs zilch_ aelien27 neurodrone willwhite ixti c4milo igl1 FMJaguar maligree _kud JumpMast3r lyte dharmesh Gonzih davidwalsh mafintosh Venom_X remysharp jstash AphelionZ mraleph Esteb fermion xy ceej mpenderg1aft brianloveswords metellus Poetro @piscisaureus_ tomlion AaronMT luizlopes baudehlo jtrudeau stalled Vennril mpoz2 jscheel jpdery_ PeteDaGuru davidsklar miccolis flexd webben fumanchu182 tomilain1 jomoho2 Swizec matt_c dubenstein vkareh
[19:24] trolly: otih shedinja tmpvar aslant cjm ohtogo Kunda EvRide d0k pandeiro tiagobutzke jaminja HardPhuc|AFK nopnop sineltor __doc__ ttilley lauxley ppcano Ned_ ktos JKarsrud PhilK vi390 flamboz Sami_ZzZ tomb joeyang animorten rendar Druid_ uchuff skunkape bnoordhuis kuya loob2 AAA_awright DennisRas lmatteis olegp bradwright blissdev nym RexM daleharvey_ indutny ryanseddon robb1e_ chunhao_ matthijs niftylettuce owenb HT kkszysiu_ verdoc zz_shykes Dreamer3 KiNgMaR
[19:24] trolly: McMAGIC--Copy prudhvi jgornick systemfault kimico xonix AD7six pokoli criswell yorick benvie hdon- akujin cha0s kawaz_home FearOfMusic DanoManion nebiros FIQ|screen chjj stisti MrNko descipher levi501d cognominal___ orospakr tomh isufy berasa JohnBeales trupppOFF Alex_R_ dmwuw nodelog ddollar halfhalo mikl xandy jeromegn zpao_ alindeman Draggor mbruce paulwe mdel topaxi htoothrot slickplaid L_star te-brian2 Glenjamin christine SuMarDi Harzilein
[19:24] trolly: polyrhythmic Twelve-60 fson Karmalicious djbell Guest19637 context odyniec framlin morgabra nw` zinkem robashton rcaskey d4rk1ink pandark_ ekes SubStack minerale Skyec dvf ashb jesusabdullah madari lukstr korch franck34 chilts mrkurt sstephenson DrPizza eventualbuddha Dmitrijus Miko2 MooGoo @pquerna maeldur gkatsev ByteCrunch tbranyen lgm mac^_ ralph Marak Hosh fuzzyone jburkhart rhizmoe lunchub dabailey CoverSlide nuba Liquid-Silence strmpnk mattly
[19:24] trolly: Daegalus thisandagain a11235_ xerox stylus zed0_ ivaldi Clex digiwano scoates Martz slpsys @konobi ivan` keyvan llrcombs chrisdickinson sorensen incredimike gdusbabek pradeepto chapel azend Kingdutch beejeebus-afk ricepuddin Ibuprofen __directory niclone qmx russfrank ag4ve don_jones jcarouth rgmarcha_ Astro cconstantine ctide davv3 jackyyll seqastian ben_alman up_the_irons The_Fly mavin|gone maru_cc silky keeto teadict pct zpao stride rednul markatto
[19:24] trolly: PuffTheMagic mape ejnahc trepan sstreza srijan4 DoNaLd` crodas kraft _mdp hoodow bentruyman McPak wink_ footyfish matti gf3 jeremyselier iskren ajpiano pekim killfill marlun Gekz mattpardee scrogson Sidnicious kholo_ jvolkman Danielpk kimico` jkridner wankdanker j-dev wookiehangover r04r mrtazz else __class__ Typo mde RushPL ircdearia flagg0204 Gregor russell_h pavelz Riton KevinT d_low_ __sri vkandy joeytwiddle dhasenan kilnaar bob2 duckspeaker kiko_
[19:24] trolly: Corey aude|away walkah SargoDarya roger_raymond cce necromancer Pilate pkrumins jdparker txxt Epelii JasonSmith shenlok_ metadaddy tanepiper avih ncb000gt OneOfOne_ majek Peeter \ask sgimeno ianl` finsken tiglionabbit zorzar Gruni wang progrock Leonidas sdboyer optixx zivester seb` tshpaper thepatr1ck blueadept` dynacker freewil tlrobinson_ gerard0 emostar dscape TheNumb anaio Andeye actonapp kersny spurge ollie jebberjeb thedjinn T-Co adreams jrogers_
[19:24] trolly: jamesd Will| jsvana doki_pen franksalim mikey_p Guest42432 Dulak JmZ_ yogurt_truck gwoo rachet termie slloyd jzacsh trose bwinton_away aakour raydeo ossareh er1c_ inarru sander^home imarcusthis epsas kloeri pzich yobi whoops foobarfighter einaros merlin83 Kami_ __main__ scottschecter omni5cience maqr plhw__ btipling sris SvenDowideit CIA-109 Circlefusion iFire Raynos kkaefer versicolor zomg schwab @piscisaureus riven freeformz mekwall joc JP forzan
[19:24] trolly: FireFly mediacoder fearphage gregmoreno arpunk salazr_ sriley sveisvei al_ol f1gm3nt doffm MrNibbles ismell jlaire SlexAxton zamolxes Bodil Slashbunny Aikar Connorhd zhware_ zedas DRMacIver apejens phiggins tim_smart|away pransalad s0enke jspiros rudolfrck Lars_unique Kester meder hazridi Tobbe Drakonite guybrush coffeecup stbuehler mjr_ Lingerance drudge gaYak shachaf mct dantalizing arkx kaarlo trodrigues Ober wereHamster RichardBronosky Ezku mattp_
[19:24] trolly: DJBouche Guest18468 ircretary mediaslave parse hotspants royh izz_ Newky atiti khmer_ elliottcable krazyivan Lorentz Sembiance munro jakeskik naneau stelcheck mquin callumacrae zemm inimino MikeW sugyan_ Lartsa wao paulbaumgart NuckOff Hamms lukegb swaj tg rphillips rektide Tobias| visnup lifty augustl janne m4rcs clickmoon kei jp323 onr przemoc jn `10` tmm1 nail_ chrischris|afk jonaslund cnu ryanrolds deoxxombie boxysean zentooo yenz dawolf cjackson
[19:24] trolly: telemachus brainproxy mikegerwitz Pierre_N VeXii irclogger_com @ryah tellnes Mike[tm] tomaw marienz threedaymonk enhydra rook2pawn stutter robinduckett
[19:24] dnyy: trolly: :@
[19:24] jackyyll: cool
[19:24] AphelionZ: sigh
[19:24] jacobolus: wtf?
[19:24] lmatteis has left the channel
[19:24] trolly: trolly jimmysparkle alexdoom jbpros ej__ sarlalian sdwrage yhahn ecin maushu arcanis jslatts captain_morgan errordeveloper aconbere AvianFlu madhums franciscallo catshirt mandric StanlySoManly hij1nx fread2281 ninjapig jhurliman p1d MatthewS Isaiah blup balgarath apoc fangel gut4 LifterAH_ bengrue ryanrolds_w broofa Twisol tilgovi jnbek cgfuh Bonuspunkt coderdad neilk_ bjhaid whitman bosphorus Marko_ `3rdEden perezd simenbrekken dget ayaz JasonJS atourino
[19:24] trolly: dnyy jimt_ dreamdust tlocalhos jxson rklancer sdudenhofer kuebk^ _sorensen_ Moko|afk jbrokc patcito plutoniix jacobolus malkomalko chrislorenz scott_gonzalez davidascher agnat magnetik bradleymeck githogori brion purr herbySk IonEarth ryanj JaKWaC jerrysv saschagehlich luke` gregpascale nphase mmalecki coreb langworthy harthur vereteran mc_greeny chrixian wbednarski jtsnow martin_sunset TooTallNate jaequery stephank michaeldeol briancray jgallen23 tahu
[19:24] trolly: grampajoe pizthewiz kenperkins ank zackattack zaller_ maletor joshthecoder knifed ryan_stevens te-brian wadey devaholic Carter kitt fatjonny TheJH enmand_ koo6 EyePulp _dc qbit_ dilvie jtgiri_ trotter dshaw_ brianc1 cjroebuck tisba kurtzhong Guest9857 stagas xsyn fairwinds malletjo nyxtom tjbell amiller lazyshot nyrb jocafa xetorthio airhorns icrusade smtlaissezfaire tjholowaychuk devdazed eignerchris BillyBreen ph^ Industrial francisl ej_ postwait eb4890
[19:24] trolly: RORgasm deedubs zilch_ aelien27 neurodrone willwhite ixti c4milo igl1 FMJaguar maligree _kud JumpMast3r lyte dharmesh Gonzih davidwalsh mafintosh Venom_X remysharp jstash AphelionZ mraleph Esteb fermion xy ceej mpenderg1aft brianloveswords metellus Poetro @piscisaureus_ tomlion AaronMT luizlopes baudehlo jtrudeau stalled Vennril mpoz2 jscheel jpdery_ PeteDaGuru davidsklar miccolis flexd webben fumanchu182 tomilain1 jomoho2 Swizec matt_c dubenstein vkareh
[19:24] trolly: otih shedinja tmpvar aslant cjm ohtogo Kunda EvRide d0k pandeiro tiagobutzke jaminja HardPhuc|AFK nopnop sineltor __doc__ ttilley lauxley ppcano Ned_ ktos JKarsrud PhilK vi390 flamboz Sami_ZzZ tomb joeyang animorten rendar Druid_ uchuff skunkape bnoordhuis kuya loob2 AAA_awright DennisRas lmatteis olegp bradwright blissdev nym RexM daleharvey_ indutny ryanseddon robb1e_ chunhao_ matthijs niftylettuce owenb HT kkszysiu_ verdoc zz_shykes Dreamer3 KiNgMaR
[19:24] eignerchris: serioulsly
[19:24] miccolis: really?
[19:24] _kud: putain
[19:24] fumanchu182: wow i'm gonna leave this room
[19:24] DennisRas: die!
[19:24] yobi: :)
[19:24] paulwe: again?
[19:24] luizlopes: wtf mate?!
[19:24] slickplaid: cool story bro
[19:24] AphelionZ has left the channel
[19:24] nphase: ah see this guy, his name is trolly
[19:24] Kingdutch: eeeuh...
[19:24] jslatts: my god
[19:24] nphase: trolly
[19:24] zemanel has joined the channel
[19:24] imarcusthis: die
[19:24] catshirt: WAT
[19:24] aslant has left the channel
[19:24] devdazed: this is getting rediculous
[19:24] TheJH: meeeeh
[19:24] fuzzyone: ffs
[19:24] nphase: no sense of irony
[19:24] yobi: its slowing everything down
[19:24] nphase: "trolly"
[19:24] TheJH: kill him
[19:24] Kingdutch: Someone put a ban on that IP?
[19:24] _kud has left the channel
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[19:24] amiller: now it's war
[19:24] chrixian has left the channel
[19:24] ank has left the channel
[19:24] tanepiper: just ban the host/ip
[19:24] neurodrone: no kickbans here?
[19:24] mikl: oh, here we go again
[19:24] bosphorus: trolly the troll
[19:24] nphase: KLINE BITCHES
[19:24] mmalecki: wtf.
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[19:24] btipling: let's all highlight everyone all day
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[19:24] amiller: go crowd go
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[19:24] Martz: at least everyone is awake now :|
[19:24] btipling: highlight all the things
[19:24] scoates: the really ironic part is that you (we) all generated more noise than trolly (-:
[19:24] luizlopes: someone please find out where this guy lives and burn his house to the ground!?
[19:24] Twisol: :/
[19:24] btipling: HIGHLIGHT ALL THE THINGS
[19:24] dilvie: hmm
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[19:25] magnetik: Well even If I close the connection with res.destroy() it doesn't ask for the certificate next
[19:25] jaequery: this must be OCCUPY IRC day
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[19:25] imarcusthis: scoates: but not as much attention.
[19:25] Marak: I LIKE TO SAY THINGS
[19:25] maushu: HALP, IM BEING HIGHLIGHTED
[19:25] amiller: occupynode.js
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[19:25] neurodrone: the excess flood check doesn't have "excess" defined correctly.
[19:25] devaholic: when the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie... 
[19:25] wopwow: trolly jimmysparkle alexdoom jbpros ej__ sarlalian sdwrage yhahn ecin maushu arcanis jslatts captain_morgan errordeveloper aconbere AvianFlu madhums franciscallo catshirt mandric StanlySoManly hij1nx fread2281 ninjapig jhurliman p1d MatthewS Isaiah blup balgarath apoc fangel gut4 LifterAH_ bengrue ryanrolds_w broofa Twisol tilgovi jnbek cgfuh Bonuspunkt coderdad neilk_ bjhaid whitman bosphorus Marko_ `3rdEden perezd simenbrekken dget ayaz JasonJS atourino
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[19:25] wopwow: otih shedinja tmpvar aslant cjm ohtogo Kunda EvRide d0k pandeiro tiagobutzke jaminja HardPhuc|AFK nopnop sineltor __doc__ ttilley lauxley ppcano Ned_ ktos JKarsrud PhilK vi390 flamboz Sami_ZzZ tomb joeyang animorten rendar Druid_ uchuff skunkape bnoordhuis kuya loob2 AAA_awright DennisRas lmatteis olegp bradwright blissdev nym RexM daleharvey_ indutny ryanseddon robb1e_ chunhao_ matthijs niftylettuce owenb HT kkszysiu_ verdoc zz_shykes Dreamer3 KiNgMaR
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[19:25] btipling: OCCUPY CAPS
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[19:25] DennisRas: 
ACTION bets the bot did it with a nodejs server ! *derp*

[19:25] catshirt: MAKE IT STOP
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[19:25] miccolis: oh sheesh
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[19:25] maushu: MOMMY IT HURTS
[19:25] yhahn: 
ACTION expects this in a gist

[19:25] nphase: alright I'm leaving this room
[19:25] slickplaid: that one was quick
[19:25] jerrysv: don't think i've seen the channel this active in a long time
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[19:25] Twisol: That's ridiculous
[19:25] Martz: haw
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[19:25] btipling: OCCUPY HIGHLIGHTS
[19:25] AvianFlu: laul
[19:25] mikl: ouch, he bit the bullet :)
[19:25] btipling: we are the 99% not highlighting everyone
[19:25] Marak: there is 700 people here
[19:25] dubenstein:  /kick
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[19:25] `3rdEden: that was a quick ban
[19:25] btipling: thank you
[19:25] mikl: idoru (idoru@freenode/utility-bot/ex-server/idoru) joined the channel. <- here come the cops
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[19:26] piscisaureus_: not a ban I'm afraid
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[19:26] Martz: o/
[19:26] Kingdutch: idoru killed him
[19:26] Kingdutch: I took it to #help
[19:26] Kingdutch: seems like it's being taken care of
[19:26] DennisRas: Sup njan
[19:26] pythonsnake: who ?
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[19:26] pythonsnake: lol djdduty 
[19:26] djdduty: :D
[19:26] btipling: is the party over then
[19:26] djdduty: Spamming action?
[19:26] btipling: 
ACTION goes back to work

[19:26] Marak: idoru ++
[19:26] djdduty: awww
[19:26] przemoc: killing maybe not enough, zombies usually return...
[19:26] przemoc: s/maybe/may be/
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[19:27] mikl: what's the point of highlighting everyone?
[19:27] AvianFlu: lulz, clearly
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[19:27] mape: to make friends
[19:27] jbpros: this makes me say "hi" to everyone, thanks to trolly & friends. here it is: hi everyone!
[19:27] trose: can you block the emacs client?
[19:27] njan: mikl: maximum fallout from disruption beacuse lot sof people waste time and ask questions.
[19:27] amiller: hi jbpros (sorry to highlight you)
[19:27] mikl: njan: I fail to understand how one might enjoy that :)
[19:27] Kingdutch: I think he's banned ^^
[19:27] Kingdutch: It's active in here for once though : P 
[19:28] Kingdutch: banned = k-lined*
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[19:28] jbpros: I love being highlighted amiller (sorry for that one too)
[19:28] njan: mikl: which is probably a good thing ;)
[19:28] Kingdutch: If someone is talking to me, please highlight me so I know I need to pay attention :') 
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[19:28] __doc__: "Spam is off topic on freenode" :) hmmm
[19:28] trose: did everyone forget to disable the notify beep?
[19:28] trose: that spam didn't bother me in the least
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[19:29] __doc__: so the reason for the kick isn't that it's spam, which is generally annoying, it's that the spam wasn't ontopic.
[19:29] amiller: i turned mine up loud this morning
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[19:29] shripad: anyone know if it is possible to run the testCase in nodeunit manually? i want it to run after a callback has executed and not immediately...
[19:29] __doc__: 
ACTION wonders if he can buy ontopic spam in a can

[19:29] marienz: __doc__: spam is generally annoying and therefore offtopic
[19:30] __doc__: no like, offtopic is what we talk right now.
[19:30] __doc__: spam is lalalala
[19:30] MooGoo: spam is just irc faster
[19:30] marienz: sure, but offtopic chatter can be ontopic for freenode
[19:30] marienz: you misinterpreted the kill message :)
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[19:30] __doc__: marienz: intentionally
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[19:31] marienz: yeah, my humor detector for irc doesn't work right, sorry
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[19:34] kenperkins: what's with the notification spam
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[19:37] CIA-109: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r4a8088a 10/ (lib/net.js test/pummel/test-net-timeout2.js): 
[19:37] CIA-109: node: Socket.write should reset timeout timer.
[19:37] CIA-109: node: Fixes #2002. - http://git.io/AGw19w
[19:37] lauxley1: hi, just to be sure, is there no way to establish a raw tcp connection from a web page ?
[19:37] magnetik_: Wezll, even with a res.destroy(), the https server does not ask for a new certificate
[19:39] mmalecki: lauxley1: nope
[19:39] lauxley1: damn it
[19:39] TheJH: lauxley, imagine a javascript that accesses your routers telnet server or so...
[19:39] TheJH: s/routers/printers/
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[19:39] lauxley1: so multiplayer games use http requests ?
[19:40] mmalecki: lauxley1: websockets
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[19:40] mmalecki: or http requests
[19:40] lauxley1: mmalecki: websockets use http right ?
[19:40] TheJH: lauxley, websockets or flash sockets
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[19:41] TheJH: lauxley, websockets start like http, but then they do something else
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[19:41] slickplaid: i think flash can open raw tcp sockets
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[19:41] necromancer: slickplaid: i think you're right because it can stream to FMS which is TCP i believe
[19:41] lauxley1: TheJH: im just wondering if its ok to send like 10 http requests / sec to a client
[19:42] necromancer: lauxley1: facebook does it ;)
[19:42] aslant: slickplaid is right: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FlashPlatform/reference/actionscript/3/flash/net/Socket.html
[19:42] necromancer: look at Firebug next time you're on facebook
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[19:42] lauxley1: ahah ok will do
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[19:43] slickplaid: well, that's the whole big deal about websockets... normally you can't send anything to the client unless it requests it first
[19:44] Marak: necromancer: fms you say?
[19:44] slickplaid: push notifications, or pushing anything to the client required code on the client to poll the server
[19:44] grampajoe: Aikar: wormhole's working great, thanks again!
[19:44] Aikar: np
[19:44] necromancer: Marak: yeah...flash media server?
[19:44] necromancer: you know, that thing that makes livestream possible ;)
[19:44] Marak: necromancer: i know of this thing, are you trying to connect to it?
[19:45] Marak: i wonder if Red5 is still active
[19:45] slickplaid: it is, and kickin'
[19:45] necromancer: i wouldn't say "kickin" but it still exists ;)
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[19:45] Marak: ive built a few streaming tv sites
[19:45] Marak: with the flash
[19:45] mattrobenolt: Anyone wanna take another look at: https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/1930 ?
[19:46] Marak: and some server-side actionscript
[19:46] necromancer: Marak: yeah i'm on a project right now where i have to record voice from the browser and mix it with a background track
[19:46] Marak: fuck server-side actionscript
[19:46] mattrobenolt: I'd like to see this get merged in before 0.6 is released.
[19:46] necromancer: server-side actionscript? damn..
[19:46] slickplaid: +1 to that marak
[19:46] necromancer: didn't even know that was possible
[19:46] Marak: ohh yeah
[19:46] Marak: isnt that how you script FMS? i might have been doing it wrong
[19:46] necromancer: i've never touched the actual FMS product, it costs too much
[19:47] necromancer: Red5, however, is configured with java
[19:47] Marak: i setup a basic auth and custom role system that integrated with some coldfusion stuff
[19:47] necromancer: something i haven't touched since AP computer science in high school...
[19:47] Marak: in server-side AS3
[19:47] necromancer: oh wow
[19:47] mmalecki: who the fuck does server-side AS3?
[19:47] mmalecki: who the fuck does AS3?
[19:47] slickplaid: who the fuck
[19:47] Marak: i cant even remember how it works, that code is long gone
[19:48] necromancer: mmalecki: easiest way to write an cross-platform mobile app imo
[19:48] Marak: managed all the sessions and connection logic for cameras and broadcasters and stuff
[19:48] necromancer: actually i think AS3 would be kinda nice on the server side because it would basically be javascript with classes and static typing
[19:48] mmalecki: mattrobenolt: lgtm
[19:48] mmalecki: necromancer: no. HTML5.
[19:48] Marak: necromancer: the way i was using it, it had no tools at all. i was writing code in text editor and restarting FMS
[19:48] Marak: necromancer this was a long time ago though
[19:48] mmalecki: mattrobenolt: any reason this isn't getting merged?
[19:49] mattrobenolt: mmalecki: I just think it has fallen under the radar.
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[19:49] mattrobenolt: mmalecki: (is it sad I had to google "tgtm"?)
[19:49] mattrobenolt: lgtm*
[19:50] necromancer: mmalecki: not yet. maybe when HTML5 apps are considered first-class citizens on iOS and Android...but right now they're still way slower than native apps
[19:50] slickplaid: me too, but I admit nothing
[19:50] mmalecki: mattrobenolt: +1'ed
[19:50] necromancer: AND they can't access camera/microphone, which Flash can
[19:50] necromancer: you can also design, build and compile a mobile app entirely from Flash
[19:50] mattrobenolt: mmalecki: Thank you sir. :)
[19:50] necromancer: that's pretty damn cool
[19:50] necromancer: definitely a reason to keep Flash around...
[19:51] mmalecki: meh. compare cpu usage when planing youtube video with flash and html5.
[19:51] slickplaid: has anyone developed a flash app that can pass user camera/mic to html5's video/audio yet?
[19:51] necromancer: mmalecki: i can't do that, iPhone doesn't let flash in Safari ;)
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[19:52] necromancer: slickplaid: no but i fucking WISH
[19:52] tjholowaychuk: slickplaid we are
[19:52] necromancer: damn that would make this project so much easier...
[19:52] tjholowaychuk: but yeah we have to use flash
[19:52] slickplaid: tjholowaychuk: foserious?
[19:52] tjholowaychuk: because web tech sucks ass
[19:52] mmalecki: necromancer: I mean, browser.
[19:52] mmalecki: necromancer: on a desktop
[19:52] tjholowaychuk: most of it is canvas though
[19:52] slickplaid: tjholowaychuk: project page or still in dev?
[19:52] ali_and_ben: Does anyone have experience testing a rails 3.1 app with zombie.js? I'm running into a problem where browser.pressButton is not submitting the form
[19:52] necromancer: mmalecki: that's not what we're talking about here though, we're talking about mobile. flash is irrelevant for desktop unless you need cross-browser a/v playback
[19:52] mmalecki: (not like I'm hatin', even though I am)
[19:52] necromancer: and even then, you can use HTML5 when you can
[19:52] rendar: mmalecki: i guess flash uses a lot more cpu than html5, am i right?
[19:52] necromancer: oh yeah
[19:52] mmalecki: I'm just mad at people overusing flash
[19:53] necromancer: tons more
[19:53] mmalecki: rendar: yeah, it does
[19:53] slickplaid: i would use the shit out of that in this project i'm developing on
[19:53] necromancer: tjholowaychuk: is it open?
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[19:53] rendar: but why flash is so slow and cpu consuming?! bloated code..or what?
[19:53] necromancer: i'll contribute...
[19:53] tjholowaychuk: necromancer nope
[19:53] necromancer: eff you then ;)
[19:53] tjholowaychuk: :D
[19:53] tjholowaychuk: haha
[19:53] slickplaid: i want a stand-in flash solution that can be switched out once html vid/aud user input gets formalized
[19:53] necromancer: rendar: the API is massive
[19:53] mmalecki: rendar: it's a shitty technology
[19:54] necromancer: and it's old
[19:54] mmalecki: + overhead of inserting one more runtime
[19:54] rendar: i agree..
[19:54] necromancer: it's basically a VM
[19:54] necromancer: kinda like JVM
[19:54] rendar: exactly
[19:54] Industrial: lua has a vm, im pretty happy with that.
[19:54] slickplaid: tjholowaychuk: you guys going to be selling it or have a timeline for when it'll be available?
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[19:54] necromancer: except while Flash's platform design has stagnated, with Adobe instead focusing on how to make the program/API better, the Java platform has focused entirely on the PLATFORM and that's why you have shit like Groovy, Scala, etc. taking the place of java on its JVM platform
[19:54] blueadept`: could anyone here help me with the new require.paths move in 0.5? i have this code in a node module: http://pastie.org/private/gc3wwyyww4qktay4cjy8ma what can i change it to to work with 0.5?
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[19:55] rendar: a friend of mine said that lua is one of the most fast scripting languages )
[19:55] rendar: :)
[19:55] Industrial: it is
[19:55] rendar: cool
[19:55] necromancer: but really, any time you have to create a damn VM you're adding a ton of overhead
[19:55] necromancer: that may or may not be necessary
[19:55] Industrial: luajit is made of win and love
[19:55] mmalecki: Scala is quite nice actually
[19:55] rendar: necromancer: +1'd
[19:55] necromancer: yeah the java platform rules
[19:55] mmalecki: Scala - JVM would be *such* a win
[19:55] franksalim: v8 is a vm
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[19:55] necromancer: java's a great idea, implemented poorly
[19:55] mmalecki: no, Java itself sucks
[19:55] necromancer: then saved by its platform
[19:55] mmalecki: I just like some of Scala features
[19:56] necromancer: mmalecki: i thought scala was in the JVM..
[19:56] Industrial: lua just cant get an ecosystem off the ground like ruby and node.. thats just too bad imgo
[19:56] mmalecki: necromancer: yes. that's why I've said that Scala - JVM would be an epic win
[19:56] Industrial: i prefer it to js..
[19:56] tjholowaychuk: Industrial yeah it's too bad
[19:56] tjholowaychuk: lua would be better in the browser
[19:56] necromancer: oh yeha
[19:57] rendar: Industrial: you mean that lua doesn't have libraries which let lua to grow?
[19:57] mmalecki: hm, this would be quite easy to implement.
[19:57] Industrial: its more the kind of people that use it
[19:57] Industrial: i.e. not the cool kids
[19:57] necromancer: mmalecki: i disagree with that somewhat, i feel like the JVM's come a long way and it can only get better. coupled with increased computing power and bandwidth...could be pretty damn cool to see what happens
[19:57] necromancer: although you may be trying to use Scala to accomplish some very low-level tasks for which i guess the JVM wouldn't make snese
[19:58] necromancer: have they built a javascript VM in Java yet?
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[19:58] franksalim: necromancer: multiple times
[19:58] mmalecki: necromancer: no. because they won't change the API now.
[19:58] franksalim: (javascript in java)
[19:58] necromancer: interesting
[19:58] mmalecki: rhino?
[19:58] necromancer: is rhino in java?
[19:58] necromancer: wow
[19:58] rendar: iirc rhino is C++
[19:58] context: wow/
[19:58] context: necromancer: yes.
[19:58] rendar: but i'm not sure
[19:58] rendar: oh, i'm wrong
[19:59] mmalecki: http://www.mozilla.org/rhino/
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[19:59] gkatsev: lolrhino
[20:00] franksalim: good discussion.
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[20:06] wankdanker: anyone have a recommendation for a decent web chat app that could be used for customer service on node?
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[20:09] mmalecki: wankdanker: I wanted to write a campfire clone once, but I got stuck. I should get it done in a week or two.
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[20:09] EyePulp: wankdanker:  - we built our own.  Didn't find one that made us happy.  mongodb + node + faye 
[20:10] pierrej: Hi everyone !
[20:10] mmalecki: EyePulp: open sourced somewhere, by a chance?
[20:10] pierrej: I get this error on make in console on Ubuntu :
[20:10] wankdanker: mmalecki: cool. got anything on github? i'll start watching progress and maybe help out if i can dedicate the time.
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[20:10] pierrej: Build failed:  -> task failed (err #1):  	{task: cxx_link node_main_5.o,node_5.o,node_buffer_5.o,node_javascript_5.o,node_extensions_5.o,node_http_parser_5.o,node_constants_5.o,node_file_5.o,node_script_5.o,node_os_5.o,node_dtrace_5.o,node_string_5.o,node_zlib_5.o,timer_wrap_5.o,handle_wrap_5.o,stream_wrap_5.o,tcp_wrap_5.o,udp_wrap_5.o,pipe_wrap_5.o,cares_wrap_5.o,tty_wrap_5.o,fs_event_wrap_5.o,process_wrap_5.o,v8_typed_array_5.o,node_
[20:10] pierrej: any idea ?
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[20:11] EyePulp: wankdanker: nope, and unfortunately not likely to be for a while.
[20:11] mmalecki: wankdanker: I can create a project, but the code I have is pretty crappy now. I'll clean it up and push ASAP :)
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[20:11] mmalecki: I called it watercamp, btw :D
[20:12] EyePulp: er, sorry, mmalecki, you asked me that.
[20:12] mmalecki: wankdanker: https://github.com/mmalecki/watercamp
[20:12] wankdanker: EyePulp: i'm afraid that's what I might end up doing; however I may integrate with xmpp so I don't have to worry about writing the backend clients;
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[20:12] wankdanker: mmalecki: cool! thanks. i'll take a look.
[20:13] EyePulp: wankdanker: yeah, we needed a web based client for the internal staff side, so a manager type could keep track of the staff assigned to handle the chats.
[20:13] mmalecki: wankdanker: :). expect some code tomorrow or something like that, it's a busy week
[20:13] EyePulp: plus our potential market wouldn't install desktop clients, so we had to expose it all via web
[20:13] wankdanker: mmalecki: sure whenever. watching your empty repo. :)
[20:13] pierrej: is it necessary to install OpenSSL to use nodejs ?
[20:14] EyePulp: pierrej: no, just to use https
[20:14] EyePulp: (i believe)
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[20:14] pierrej: ok thx. So I don't understand why I get this error : Build failed:  -> task failed (err #1):  	{task: cxx_link node_main_5.o,node_5.o,node_buffer_5.o,node_javascript_5.o,node_extensions_5.o,node_http_parser_5.o,node_constants_5.o,node_file_5.o,node_script_5.o,node_os_5.o,node_dtrace_5.o,node_string_5.o,node_zlib_5.o,timer_wrap_5.o,handle_wrap_5.o,stream_wrap_5.o,tcp_wrap_5.o,udp_wrap_5.o,pipe_wrap_5.o,cares_wrap_5.o,tty_wrap_5.o,fs_eve
[20:15] wankdanker: EyePulp: cool. makes sense. i suppose maybe using hook.io could allow using all sorts of clients. will investigate further when i get there.
[20:16] EyePulp: wankdanker: I'd do some searching, as there seem to be a ton of chat projects out there - you may not have to do as much work.
[20:17] wankdanker: EyePulp: yeah, i'll do that. it's not an immediate priority, but if there was already a solid project in node, i'd bump the priority. 
[20:17] wankdanker: EyePulp: thanks for your input
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[20:26] mmalecki: is there any reason one should connect to unix domain socket in order to check if this file name is available?
[20:26] tjholowaychuk: why not just stat?
[20:26] mmalecki: exactly
[20:26] mmalecki: this code: https://github.com/indexzero/node-portfinder/blob/master/lib/portfinder.js#L78 is why I ask
[20:27] tjholowaychuk: hm
[20:27] mattrobenolt: What's up with the new uses of "~"? I just happened to notice it on L96 of that file.
[20:27] tjholowaychuk: portfinder?
[20:27] mattrobenolt: I see it randomly, and I'm not sure exactly what the goal of it is.
[20:27] tjholowaychuk: why not just use ephemerial ports
[20:27] mmalecki: tjholowaychuk: it's about unix sockets here
[20:28] mmalecki: tjholowaychuk: so, like, to make sure that /tmp/forever.sock is not taken, etc.
[20:28] baudehlo: can't you connect to a unix socket and delete the file but still be connected? Maybe that's what it's trying to avoid.
[20:28] tjholowaychuk: right
[20:28] tjholowaychuk: so not a port
[20:28] mmalecki: baudehlo: yeah, that's what I'm wondering
[20:28] baudehlo: Though that shouldn't matter.
[20:28] jgallen23: can anybody recommend a good library for managing config files across dev/stage/prod?
[20:29] baudehlo: git?
[20:29] mmalecki: mattrobenolt: binary negation
[20:29] benvie: ls
[20:29] mattrobenolt: mmalecki: Yeah, I get it on the fundamental level. Just curious of the new found applications of it.
[20:29] mmalecki: mattrobenolt: -1 -> 0, in this case
[20:30] benvie: useful for indexOf
[20:30] mattrobenolt: But if it is found, −1 is yielded.
[20:30] benvie: !~
[20:31] mattrobenolt: Is there any benefit to doing that vs indexOf(x) != −1 ?
[20:31] mattrobenolt: Or just a style/cleanliness preference?
[20:31] mmalecki: mattrobenolt: no benefit, I think
[20:31] benvie: it may be faster in some contexts but it's not an optimization worth making for that reason
[20:31] mmalecki: and it isn't any cleaner
[20:31] mmalecki: so, well.
[20:32] benvie: it's easier for me to visually parse the meaning
[20:32] mattrobenolt: Yeah, I just have started seeing it in Node code. I don't see it used anywhere else.
[20:32] benvie: it very specifically applies to situations where the negative return is -1
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[20:32] mattrobenolt: Gotcha. I see it used like:  ~~ too.
[20:32] benvie: which is not the norm for negative returns in js, but is used in some common functions
[20:33] mattrobenolt: And I found that that will enforce somethign to be an integer. At lesat that's how it seems.
[20:33] mattrobenolt: Like:  ~~options.port
[20:33] mattrobenolt: If it's a string that doesn't convert, it casts to 0.
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[20:33] mattrobenolt: Instead of erroring.
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[20:34] benvie: yeah it forces to integer, floors, and sets non-integers to 0
[20:34] benvie: in one fell swoop
[20:34] benvie: er
[20:34] benvie: non numbers
[20:34] benvie: while leaving integers unchanged
[20:34] benvie: pretty useful
[20:34] mattrobenolt: Nice. It's just an interesting use case. For example, it's not in the entire jQuery source code. I've only ever come across uses in Node code/libraries.
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[20:35] benvie: it's funny too because you usually see the shortcuts much less so in Node code
[20:35] mattrobenolt: Yeah.
[20:35] benvie: due to space not being the same factor
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[20:35] benvie: and generally better coding also
[20:35] mattrobenolt: indexOf is used quite a bit throughout jQuery. "indexOf(x) >= 0"
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[20:36] tjholowaychuk: i wouldnt look to jquery for styling
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[20:36] benvie: yeah and in this shortcut's case I much prefer to forced front !~ for multiple reasons
[20:36] mmalecki: well, I've seen indexOf(x) == 3 once.
[20:36] mmalecki: not in jquery code, just some front-end js.
[20:37] mattrobenolt: tjholowaychuk: Not really using it as a styling reference, just reinforcing that I haven't seen that style anywhere except Node. No client side JS or any other languages I've used.
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[20:37] tjholowaychuk: mattrobenolt ah
[20:38] mattrobenolt: I was confused a bit on it's meaning, actually, haha, I know it's a binary operator, but I've seen it used in weird ways not dealign with numbers. Especially since js is more flexible with types. Like, using: ~~'80'
[20:38] tjholowaychuk: in ruby it just throws
[20:39] tjholowaychuk: NoMethodError: undefined method `~' for 14.5:Float
[20:39] benvie: this is where I first saw it used http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/js-logic.htm#OO
[20:39] mattrobenolt: Yeah, Python throws too.
[20:39] mattrobenolt: TypeError: bad operand type for unary ~: 'str'
[20:39] benvie: and yeah I don't recall seeing it much or at all outside node
[20:39] tjholowaychuk: you wouldnt see it much if we had richer methods
[20:40] tjholowaychuk: foo.includes(bar)
[20:40] tjholowaychuk: etc
[20:40] tjholowaychuk: oh well
[20:40] mmalecki: tjholowaychuk++
[20:40] mattrobenolt: Right. I just never typically think of Node code needing to "compress" their code as much as possible. I'd expect it more in front end code.
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[20:40] benvie: I understand peoples' aversion to modifying prototypes but that's honestly not a valid concern on Node and and it's can be controlled in the bropwser
[20:40] mattrobenolt: Not that I'm complaining at all. It's just interesting.
[20:41] tjholowaychuk: mattrobenolt for sure, it's pretty useful though like if you have a percentage that you want to console.log() or something just throw a | 0 in there to floor it
[20:41] benvie: or at the very last, I'm using this in pretty much everything now https://github.com/medikoo/es5-ext
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[20:42] benvie: which gets around the native prototype issue
[20:42] mattrobenolt: Yeah, the | doesn't really work in anythign outside JS either, haha
[20:42] mattrobenolt: Well, for flooring.
[20:42] tjholowaychuk: sure, but it's there so it's nice to use
[20:42] mmalecki: ok, I'm refactoring this node-portfinder
[20:42] mmalecki: it's just weird
[20:42] benvie: the clumsyness of Math.round makes me not feel bad for using +.5|0
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[20:43] mmalecki: I suspect he has *some* reason
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[20:43] mmalecki: any UNIX magician in here?
[20:43] levi501d: is htere a problem with node inspector in 5.11?
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[20:43] mmalecki: 0.5.11?
[20:43] Marko_: how do you set up a post body on http query?
[20:44] Marko_: is it just http.query.post(body) ?
[20:44] benvie: when did you build 0.5.11? As it's still dev and saw a major change in going back to an older version of V8
[20:44] benvie: the version number doesn't really tell enough
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[20:44] coreb: is NowJS the best module for its use, or is somee other module more popular?
[20:45] benvie: depends what you want to do I suppose
[20:45] benvie: proxies are really nice and nowjs uses them well
[20:45] coreb: simple rpc-ing both ways, sharing context and state
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[20:46] coreb: I mean, NowJS looks great, I'm just wondering whether another similar module is more popular
[20:46] benvie: yeah that or dnode or a couple others are comparable
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[20:47] tjholowaychuk: coreb just using socket.io feels more natural to me
[20:47] tjholowaychuk: i would just use that
[20:47] tjholowaychuk: but i havent played with the others much
[20:47] tjholowaychuk: mostly because i've had no issues with regular sio
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[20:48] mmalecki: coreb: hook.io, maybe?
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[20:49] mmalecki: coreb: it's browser-compatible
[20:49] benvie: I'm still trying to decide what the best route for getting a chromium context cleanly shared in with a node context. Considering trying to see if I get it linked just against the V8 in node running the UIthread as the main node thread and binding the running the event loop from node
[20:49] mmalecki: coreb: (it's not similar to nowjs, thought you may find it nice)
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[20:50] benvie: but that's a little more than just regular rpc
[20:51] benvie: I'm wondering if
[20:51] coreb: hook.io looks huge, with a lot of dependencies
[20:51] coreb: dnode being one of them
[20:51] benvie: you basically take every method in a browser and every propeerty accessor and wrap them as asynchronnous if that would not be ridiculous to work with
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[20:52] mmalecki: benvie: sure it is. but when you actually look at it, it's just a tiny wrapper around dnode
[20:52] mmalecki: coreb: what's wrong with dnode?
[20:52] benvie: oh no I was referring to
[20:52] benvie: uh
[20:52] coreb: mmalecki: nothing
[20:52] coreb: afaik
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[20:53] mmalecki: coreb: ok :) (I'm not telling you that you need hook.io, it's just an alternative to nowjs)
[20:53] benvie: all this functions in this reconstituted DOM in Node, from Chromiummm are just empty facade functions https://gist.github.com/1337098#gistcomment-61024
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[20:53] coreb: mmalecki: sure, but if not nowjs, I guess dnode would suffice
[20:54] coreb: tjholowaychuk: socket.io's an option, I'd have to redo what nowjs does then ;)
[20:54] tjholowaychuk: i dont really get what nowjs does
[20:54] benvie: the whole structure is there, all the prototype chains and whatnot, so there's some room for minimizing the need to go to the browser but of course you have to to actually affect change in the browser
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[20:55] SubStack: tjholowaychuk: it's like dnode but with events and a replication pocket thing
[20:55] tjholowaychuk: hm
[20:55] SubStack: well I'm not sure to what extent the CPS is recursive like with dnode
[20:56] coreb: tjholowaychuk: looks like a nice abstraction
[20:56] coreb: but there's not a lot of acticity in the repo
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[20:57] tjholowaychuk: looks like a fun toy thing
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[20:57] tjholowaychuk: kinda
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[20:58] mmalecki: what was the command to run node with debugging, but break at the first line of code?
[20:59] mmalecki: so, like, nothing gets run until you explicitely start it?
[20:59] tjholowaychuk: i think --debug-brk
[20:59] tjholowaychuk: cant remember
[20:59] tjholowaychuk: node --help sucks
[21:00] benvie: node --v8flags has it somewhere deep inside
[21:00] benvie: er --v8-options
[21:00] mmalecki: tjholowaychuk: seems to work, kinda. I will look into it, thanks
[21:01] mattrobenolt: So, I keep coming across the problem of needing to combine Buffer objects into one large Buffer. Would it make sense to allow the Buffer class to be able to handle 'data' events and 'end' events itself and be able to return a joined buffer?
[21:01] mattrobenolt: I've seen this done a few places already in Node with a repetitive task of looping over an array of Buffers and copying it's contents into a large "final" buffer.
[21:02] benvie: node --expose_natives_as="__natives__" is fun
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[21:03] levi501d: yes 0.5.11 pre
[21:03] levi501d: nodeinspector is returning an error
[21:03] levi501d: just wondering if anyone else ran into this?
[21:03] benvie: well
[21:04] levi501d: its actually giving an error on node.js:189 
[21:04] benvie: the v8 reversion changed a number of flags
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[21:04] benvie: which I wouldn't be surprised to see causing issues
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[21:04] benvie: there was multiple fixes made due to the --harmony flag
[21:04] benvie: which now is gone
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[21:05] benvie: that reversion probably caused a bunch of subtle issues that are going to pop up =x
[21:05] mattrobenolt: Woudl something like this make sense? https://gist.github.com/1337782
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[21:10] devdazed: mattrobenolt: what are you trying to accomplish?
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[21:11] mattrobenolt: Take a look, I just updated: https://gist.github.com/1337782
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[21:11] mattrobenolt: I added a method for how it's currently handled, and how it could be.
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[21:12] mattrobenolt: I see this pattern repeated a few places in Node and think it might make sense to extrapolate into another class that just handles a stream of buffers to combine into a large buffer.
[21:12] Jho_: can one of you mac experts help me install node 0.5.10 on my mac?  brew keeps installing 0.4.11
[21:12] domino14: hey guys
[21:12] devdazed: mattrobenolt: have you seen https://github.com/bnoordhuis/node-buffertools
[21:12] domino14: how come i have to install packages with npm for every new folder?
[21:12] domino14: it seems that it doesnt read my global npm packages but it needs new ones for every folder with js files in it
[21:13] mattrobenolt: devdazed: No, but something like that would be really useful to have in Node core. At least a concat method.
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[21:13] devdazed: mattrobenolt: there is buffer.copy
[21:13] smtlaissezfaire: tjholowaychuk: Is there no way to run a setTimeout when a worker receives a SIGQUIT in cluster.js?
[21:14] isaacs_: domino14: run `npm faq` and read it
[21:14] devdazed: you create a new buffer with the size of buffer a and b and copy those into it
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[21:14] mattrobenolt: Right, but it requires a tedious loop over each buffer and combines them. I'm only bringing it up because I know this is used when reading a file from disk and now in my pull request for zlib. It's a bunch of repetitive code.
[21:14] devdazed: but buffer tools would be much faster as it is native
[21:15] domino14: oh, so it's kind of like a python virtualenv philosophy?
[21:15] domino14: i can dig that
[21:15] mattrobenolt: devdazed: I think it's beneficial to have something as a helper inside Node core becuase inside core itself, it's repeated often enough.
[21:16] isaacs_: mattrobenolt: yah, i think it'd be good to add a Buffer.flatten or something
[21:16] zpao: Jho_: that's because 0.4.12 (brew update for newer definitions) is the latest stable. 0.5 isn't a stable branch. if you want 0.5, download & build it yourself
[21:16] Jho_: ok thanks
[21:16] mattrobenolt: isaacs_: Yeah, for an array of Buffers that we get back from a 'data' event for example. ;)
[21:16] devdazed: mattrobenolt: for zlib you can see my https://github.com/devdazed/gzip-buffer
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[21:16] Jho_: also, thanks for the explanation :)
[21:16] devdazed: i agree there should be a stream wrapper
[21:16] devdazed: that takes any stream and gives you one object once its ended
[21:17] zpao: Jho_: no problem
[21:17] mattrobenolt: devdazed: That's basically identical in concept to my pull request: https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/1930
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[21:17] EyePulp: Jho_: 0.4.12 is where a number of folks have stopped updating (from what I gather) until 0.5.x stabilizes more.
[21:18] EyePulp: I could be mistaken, but that's the impression I have
[21:18] devdazed: mattrobenolt: i like it
[21:18] mattrobenolt: It came from a need of gzipping and base64 encoding data in Python and needing to read it in Node.
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[21:20] mattrobenolt: Converting a string to a compressed buffer is a relatively common thing to do. Especially for transmitting a large block of text over HTTP or some non-binary socket.
[21:20] devdazed: mattrobenolt: look in my project. i created a class called StreamCollector that does what you did for zlib in that commit, but for any stream
[21:21] mattrobenolt: Yeah, I was looking through that now.
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[21:21] PuffTheMagic: did someone in here ping me? if so your message is outside of my backlog and I cant see what you sent
[21:22] isaacs_: EyePulp: 0.5 is as stable as it's gonan get.
[21:22] isaacs_: EyePulp: 0.6 lands this week or next week.
[21:22] devdazed: PuffTheMagic: it was some spammer
[21:22] devdazed: got all of us
[21:22] mattrobenolt: devdazed: Same concept. But yeah, the StreamCollector is nice. I didn't put forth the effort to extrapolate a class just for use inside the zlib library.
[21:22] AvianFlu: PuffTheMagic, there were a few people/trolls/bots who sent the whole names list to the channel, thereby pinging everybody
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[21:22] mattrobenolt: If it's going to be done, it should be done globally for all of Node.
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[21:22] PuffTheMagic: figured that was all it was
[21:23] devdazed: mattrobenolt: i agree, i think nodes stream should have a "collect" type method
[21:23] isaacs_: mattrobenolt: for your patch, you could have a Buffer.copy loop
[21:23] isaacs_: mattrobenolt: it's not so terrible
[21:23] mattrobenolt: Or as isaacs_ said, a simple Buffer.flatter or whatever would be nice.
[21:23] EyePulp: isaacs_: ah - well I'm a dummy then.  Is it still considered unstable though?
[21:24] isaacs_: EyePulp: technically, yes, since the api may change a little bit.
[21:24] isaacs_: but not much
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[21:24] devdazed: isaacs_:  what do you think about the streamcolelctor idea? i use it here: https://github.com/devdazed/gzip-buffer/blob/master/lib/gzip-buffer.js
[21:24] isaacs_: it's mostly stable.
[21:24] devdazed: which is exactly what mattrobenolt is doing
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[21:24] isaacs_: devdazed: that's very inefficient.
[21:24] isaacs_: you're doing a copy on every write.
[21:24] devdazed: why so?
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[21:24] devdazed: i see
[21:24] isaacs_: and allocating a new buffer on every write
[21:24] mattrobenolt: isaacs_: Are you referring to my update to the patch?
[21:25] isaacs_: imagine getting 1000 writes of 10 bytes each.  that's a 10 byte buffer, plus a 20 byte buffer + 30byte, ...
[21:25] isaacs_: mattrobenolt: nono
[21:25] devdazed: how would you do it then?
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[21:25] devdazed: maybe push them onto an array?
[21:25] devdazed: and flush periodically?
[21:26] mattrobenolt: devdazed: Push each buffer into an array of chunks as they come in, then combine them all on 'end'.
[21:26] devdazed: mattrobenolt: that seems better.
[21:26] isaacs_: devdazed: StreamCollector.prototype.write = function (c) { this._chunks.push(c); this._len += c.length }; StreamCollector.prototype.end = function () { var out = new Buffer(this._len), i = 0; this._chunks.forEach(function (c) { c.copy(out, i); i += c.length; }); this.emit("data", out) }
[21:26] devdazed: isaacs_: what about the general concept as a part of Stream in node?
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[21:27] fuho: Hi which version of node do you suggest to install?
[21:27] isaacs_: devdazed: not going to be in for 0.6
[21:27] SargoDarya: the latest stable
[21:27] jesusabdullah: fuho: 0.4.12
[21:27] fuho: 0.4.12
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[21:28] isaacs: fuho: noooo!!!!
[21:28] isaacs: 0.5.10
[21:28] devdazed: isaacs: maybe a point release? if i issue a pull request?
[21:28] fuho: jesusabdullah: Alright, thanks.
[21:28] isaacs: devdazed: discuss on nodejs-dev mailing list
[21:28] devdazed: isaacs: sure thing
[21:28] isaacs: devdazed: have you seen mikeal's BufferStream?
[21:28] fuho: isaacs: Noo? Anyone knows when will 0.6 be released?
[21:28] isaacs: fuho: very soon.
[21:28] jesusabdullah: fuho: or, 0.5.10. 0.4 is the stable release and many libraries don't work with 0.5, but 0.5 is way close to a stable release (any week now)
[21:28] isaacs: tomorrow or next week.
[21:29] isaacs: libraries that don't work with 0.5 are broken.
[21:29] fuho: oh, ok then will try 0.5.10 then
[21:29] jesusabdullah: There are a lot of broken libraries.
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[21:29] isaacs: jesusabdullah: indeed, there are!
[21:29] devdazed: isaacs: no is it like the stream in BufferTools
[21:29] fuho: This is my first try :) I expect broken things and it will take weeks before I produce anything probably
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[21:30] jesusabdullah: See, I'd rather use a stale version of node than deal with half the libraries I use still being broken--that is, at least, while people are actively working to port their shit
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[21:30] jesusabdullah: I'm probably gonna switch to 0.6 pretty soon though
[21:31] tjholowaychuk: a lot of us have to stick with the older stuff for quite a while
[21:31] tjholowaychuk: not sure how long, maybe a month or two
[21:31] fuho: because you have apps running on it, but I just want to learn it
[21:31] tjholowaychuk: we cant have shit breaking all over in production though
[21:31] fuho: for now
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[21:47] harmaz: the install instructions say that 'export NODE_PATH=/opt/node:/opt/node/lib/node_modules', but my 'node/lib' folder does not contain a file called 'node_modules'
[21:48] wankdanker: fuho: if you are just starting to learn I'd start with 0.5.10, yeah some modules might be broken, but i think the larger projects are working
[21:48] mattrobenolt: isaacs: I updated my pull request tests to include multi byte characters.
[21:48] TheJH: harmaz, what install instructions say that?
[21:48] TheJH: harmaz, sounds weird/wrong to me
[21:49] harmaz: TheJH: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Installation
[21:49] isaacs: mattrobenolt: kewl.  it's really hard to test with zlib, since it's tricky to get a test that will reliably split on a mb char.
[21:49] Twisol: Why would MongoDB be returning "Client Error: Next object larger than space left in message"? I'm using node-mongodb-native and I've been trying to figure this out for the past half-hour.
[21:49] mattrobenolt: Yeah, I was thinking that as well. Would it be better to have a large string of multibyte characters?
[21:49] isaacs: mattrobenolt: it'd be better tojust never cast to a string ;)
[21:50] isaacs: serve a big buffer to the callback, let the user cast to a string if they want
[21:50] isaacs: what if i want to unzip a binary buffer?
[21:50] isaacs: like an mp3 file or something that's been gzipped?
[21:50] isaacs: getting that as a string is'nt so useful.
[21:50] fuho: tjholowaychuk: Hi, I think I just run into your site online :) expressjs.com, right?
[21:50] mattrobenolt: Ahh, good point. I was just thinking of my case being a string.
[21:50] tjholowaychuk: fuho yup
[21:51] fuho: ...so what Plug In am I missing if I can't watch the Screencast?
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[21:52] tjholowaychuk: those are flash
[21:52] fuho: thats weird, some special type of falash?
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[21:54] mattrobenolt: isaacs: Updated to return a raw Buffer, updated docs, and the test.
[21:54] isaacs: sweet
[21:55] mattrobenolt: That SHOULD be all good.
[21:55] mattrobenolt: Was that what you meant by removing the 'end' event listener in the event of an error?
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[21:56] devdazed: isaacs: what about this: http://pastie.org/2806854 ?
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[21:58] mattrobenolt: devdazed: You should put some switch statement logic inside the onEnd function.
[21:59] devdazed: mattrobenolt: what do you mean?
[21:59] mattrobenolt: You can directly return chunks[0] for example, if the length == 1.
[21:59] mattrobenolt: Or just new Buffer() if length == 0;
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[21:59] mattrobenolt: Look at my onEnd: https://gist.github.com/1337782
[21:59] devdazed: if length == 0 it will just return the new buffer
[22:00] mattrobenolt: Yeah, I guess it's very close. I'm not 100% what the different in performance would be.
[22:00] mattrobenolt: What I'm using was stripped out of what was already used in Node for reading a file from disk.
[22:00] devdazed: if you're concurn is performance, then get rid of the forEach and go for a standard loop
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[22:00] francisl: Hi, can someone show me an example on how to get content form data from a POST? 
[22:00] devdazed: *concern
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[22:01] mattrobenolt: https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/lib/fs.js#L85-99
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[22:02] mattrobenolt: I just stole it from there.
[22:03] zomg: As much as I like socket.io, it's really annoying when your code is exactly like the samples on their website and it still does nothing
[22:03] zomg: :P
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[22:05] domino14: zomg: i went thru the same thing. socket.io apparently changes every hour, but i finally found something that worked
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[22:07] devdazed: mattrobenolt: big difference: http://pastie.org/2806919
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[22:08] mattrobenolt: In that case, it's probably quick with a decrementing while loop.
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[22:08] harmaz: i installed node.js on linux, but there is no 'node' executable in the main src directory. is it usually installed elsewhere?
[22:08] mattrobenolt: For for me… actually forEach ran quicker.
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[22:08] devdazed: matI'm not sure about that. I'm inclined to think that the for loop will get optimized
[22:08] mattrobenolt: 236ms for Regular, and 210ms for forEach.
[22:09] devdazed: forEach: 214ms
[22:09] devdazed: regular: 37ms
[22:09] devdazed: not sure whats going on with yours
[22:09] mattrobenolt: That's weird, haha
[22:09] devdazed: are you on windows?
[22:10] baudehlo: it's a very short period of time
[22:10] mattrobenolt: Nevermind, I reran it and got similar results.
[22:10] mattrobenolt: regular: 35ms
[22:10] mattrobenolt: forEach: 194ms
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[22:11] devdazed: baudehlo: the point i was trying to make is that a standard for loop is better performing than node's forEach 
[22:11] baudehlo: what is time() measuring?
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[22:11] baudehlo: wallclock or CPU time?
[22:11] devdazed: wall clock
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[22:12] devdazed: mattrobenolt: of course this only matters if you have large arrays.  but in the case of FS the size is indeterminate so the best option should be used
[22:12] mdel: im working with node.io, essentially replacing cURL in my php application
[22:12] mattrobenolt: A while loop came in at exactly the same speed as a for loop.
[22:12] mdel: im trying to read in a page, grab some elements, and modify them
[22:12] devdazed: mattrobenolt: yeah, i figured it would get optimized
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[22:13] mdel: but it doesnt seem I'm able to alter elements with jquery in 
[22:13] mdel: the callback
[22:13] mdel: any ideas
[22:13] baudehlo: either version you look at, V8 is really fast. There's obviously going to be overhead with .forEach.
[22:14] baudehlo: but it's nice to know how little it is.
[22:14] mattrobenolt: I know some languages handle a decrementing while loop faster than a for loop.
[22:14] mattrobenolt: I don't really know exactly why, but it's how it is.
[22:14] devdazed: yeah, thats what's nice about v8, it optimizes a lot of that stuff for you
[22:15] domino14: i have a django server and i want to implement some real-time stuff with node.js and socket.io.  when socket.io connects to the node server, i can pass the user's id but obviously this can be spoofed. how can i connect django's auth system to allow me to do this?
[22:16] Aria: Have your node script call out to django, or read django's data store.
[22:16] Aria: There's no magic to it, but it doesn't have to be complex.
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[22:16] Aria: Better to pass a high-entropy token than a spoofable, guessable ID
[22:17] domino14: so django would generate a token for the user, and then the user would send it back thru socket.io to node, and node would compare?
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[22:17] Aria: Yep!
[22:17] domino14: :D
[22:18] domino14: how do i generate an awesome token?
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[22:18] Aria: Grab 128 bits of entropy from /dev/urandom or so, and then turn it into hex digits or base64 for transmission?
[22:18] mattrobenolt: domino14: A safe easy way to do it is sign your values.
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[22:18] Aria: Signing is good too, if you're going keyed infrastructure rather than magic token.
[22:18] domino14: unfortunately not quite sure what signing entails
[22:18] mattrobenolt: Like with an hmac algorithm to generate a signature with a private key. That's how lots of services work.
[22:19] mattrobenolt: Basically, you have a secret key that your server has that you keep private.
[22:19] Aria: (shared between django and node though)
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[22:19] domino14: aha
[22:19] mattrobenolt: Say the user id is 1. You'll create an HMAC md5 hash with the secret key, then give that signature back as well.
[22:20] Aria: You do a hmac of the key + userid, and send the userid and the hashed copy to the client, that passes it to node.
[22:20] Aria: Node can compare the hash to the supplied userid + its key.
[22:20] mattrobenolt: The signature comes through the request, then on Node's side, you'll run an hmac on the user id again with the secret to make sure it matches.
[22:20] Aria: (that's a great solution for when node and django can't directly communicate, be it for complexity or other reasons)
[22:20] mattrobenolt: Thta's what Amazon S3 does for example when you use private urls and it has a Signature=XXX or wahtever. That signature is just signing the request variables to make sure they're not tampered with.
[22:21] mattrobenolt: Yep Aria, that's actually exactly what we're doing in an implementation.
[22:21] domino14: when you say "give that signature back" — which is the signature?
[22:21] Aria: Yeah. It's a good technique. And easy if you keep your data that you sign simple.
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[22:21] mattrobenolt: We use Django's session id and a signed session id to pass through Node.
[22:21] domino14: the md5 hash for the secret key + user id ?
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[22:21] Aria: Yeah.
[22:21] mattrobenolt: domino14: One second, I'll give you some Python code.
[22:21] Aria: You do want to HMAC, rather than just appending the key and userid together, though.
[22:22] Aria: There's some clever attacks that that prevents.
[22:22] domino14: thank you
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[22:22] mattrobenolt: You DO NOT want to send out the key.
[22:22] mattrobenolt: That is private.
[22:22] mattrobenolt: https://github.com/mattrobenolt/django-snippets/blob/master/crypto.py
[22:22] Aria: Yeah.
[22:22] mattrobenolt: I have a little basic signature crypt module I use.
[22:23] Aria: The key can be any old random data for this, too. No need for expensive things like primes that are used in public/private keys.
[22:23] maushu: Marak, how did you decide to isolate your users in nodejitsu?
[22:23] mattrobenolt: You can just call:  signed = sign_value(user_id)
[22:23] mattrobenolt: It defaults to Django's SECRET_KEY
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[22:24] domino14: but the user id is still plain text in the signature ?
[22:24] Aria: Yeah.
[22:24] Aria: You have to give it to node somehow.
[22:24] domino14: ok - yes
[22:24] Aria: This just gives it a way to make sure it's the right one.
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[22:24] Aria: (now: this means that anyone can use anyone else's hash to authenticate.)
[22:24] Aria: (And they don't expire short of rotating keys)
[22:25] mattrobenolt: Then in node, I do this: https://gist.github.com/1338095
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[22:25] Aria: (So that signed blob is now private data)
[22:25] mattrobenolt: Right, the data is plain text. A user id isn't necessarily secret. But this signature makes sure it wasn't tampered with anything except your server.
[22:25] domino14: mattrobenolt: awesome. what modules are required? hmac, crypto ?
[22:25] mattrobenolt: If someone tries to forge a request, it won't validate.
[22:26] domino14: mattrobenolt: i mean for the node side
[22:26] isaacs: SubStack: hey, what does mkdirp do when you tell it to create a path that already exists?
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[22:26] mattrobenolt: Just crypto for Node.
[22:26] domino14: awesome , thanks so much
[22:26] mattrobenolt: In Django, it's returning a value of:  {{ value }}:{{ signature }}
[22:26] isaacs: SubStack: does it set the mode?  like, if there's a 0700 dir, and i do mkdirp("/that/dir", 0755, cb) will it chmod it?
[22:26] mattrobenolt: So like: 1:jkfdsajfhjdasjfas
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[22:27] mattrobenolt: In Node, you'll want to split it on the : to get the parts.
[22:27] SubStack: isaacs: pretty sure it just calls the callback if everything already exists
[22:27] isaacs: SubStack: ok, that's cool
[22:27] mattrobenolt: Actually, sorry, I got that backwards.  {{ signature }}:{{ value }}
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[22:27] isaacs: SubStack: in part of this tar thingie, i'm also making a long slog towards reusing everything possible.
[22:27] mattrobenolt: Also, as a fun plus, my Django library will pickle and base64 a non-string value.
[22:28] mattrobenolt: So you could sign a whole object if you wanted. But Node isn't going to be able to read it.
[22:28] mattrobenolt: Just FYI. So make sure you pass in your value as a string. Not an interger or long.
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[22:28] isaacs: SubStack: so, i'll just do fstream.Writer({ path: "/path/to/blah", type: "File", mode: 0755 }) and use mkdirp under the covers to make /path/to if it's missing.
[22:28] mattrobenolt: str(user.pk)
[22:28] SubStack: rock
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[22:28] isaacs: SubStack: what if it exists, but isn't a dir?
[22:28] isaacs: SubStack: will that clobber, or error, you think?
[22:28] isaacs: (rare edge case, but still)
[22:29] SubStack: well it only checks for EEXIST
[22:29] isaacs: like, if you do mkdirp("/path/to/thing/that/isnt/a/dir/then/some/more/stuff"...
[22:29] isaacs: where /path/to/thing/that/isnt/a/dir is a file
[22:29] SubStack: so you'll get an error in the callback
[22:30] isaacs: i see.
[22:30] isaacs: hm.... would you consider a patch to have it go all stabby on enotdirs?
[22:30] SubStack: except if the last item in the path is a file then it will work silently even though that's wrong
[22:30] SubStack: isaacs: yes that would rock
[22:30] isaacs: k
[22:30] isaacs: 
ACTION adds to mountainous todo list.

[22:30] SubStack: the module is only 20 lines so should be easy
[22:30] isaacs: yeah
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[22:31] isaacs: SubStack: i'm also sort of trying to work out how to get the quasi-stickybit behavoir that npm's mkdir-p has.
[22:32] isaacs: the idea being that if you create /a/b/c/d/e/f, let's say, and /a/b/c exists and is a dir owned by user "foo", then it'll set the owner of /a/b/c/d and e and f as "foo"
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[22:32] domino14: what does "unsign_value" quite do?
[22:33] mattrobenolt: It's just validating the values and returing true/false.
[22:33] domino14: it checks to see if the signature is valid?
[22:33] mattrobenolt: Err, validates the signature.
[22:33] mattrobenolt: Yeah.
[22:33] domino14: oh ok it's just verifying the one-way hash
[22:33] mattrobenolt: Yep.
[22:33] SubStack: isaacs: that would also be handy, I've run into problems with ownership using mkdirp before
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[22:33] domino14: awesome
[22:33] mattrobenolt: And nobody can recreate that hash without knowing your secret key.
[22:33] isaacs: yeah that was a huge bear that i'd rather not wrestle again...
[22:34] mattrobenolt: That's the point of an HMAC.
[22:34] isaacs: but... well, that's what it's looking like.
[22:34] mattrobenolt: It's sorta like a salt.
[22:34] domino14: can't they just brute force it
[22:34] domino14: ;)
[22:34] mattrobenolt: I mean, they CAN. But realistically, no. You could always bump to a higher encryption algorithm.
[22:34] mattrobenolt: Like SHA512.
[22:34] mattrobenolt: Instead of sha1.
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[22:34] isaacs: SubStack: whatever the case, i think the ownership stuff should be in fstream, not mkdirp
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[22:34] mattrobenolt: Then your signature is going to be fucking huge.
[22:34] elcuervo: Hello guys, i was wondering, is there any commonly user router, as Rack for ruby?
[22:34] Aria: And a bigger key.
[22:35] isaacs: SubStack: and then mkdirp just has to provide some way to get at the stat results as they're gotten
[22:35] Aria: Stronger hash won't protect you if the key is weak.
[22:35] mattrobenolt: Aria: Right. That too. If he's using Django, Django provides a pretty solid SECRET_KEY upon project creation.
[22:35] SubStack: isaacs: the return value isn't used for anything, could be an event emitter
[22:35] SubStack: then you can hook onto the stats
[22:35] isaacs: hmm...
[22:35] isaacs: yeah, that'd be handy
[22:35] isaacs: good idea
[22:35] Aria: good. (how many bits?)
[22:35] SubStack: although right now it doesn't do any stats
[22:35] isaacs: SubStack: right, it just does the mkdir
[22:36] SubStack: yep and only cares if mkdir shits itself
[22:36] isaacs: right..
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[22:36] mattrobenolt: It's 50 chars long.
[22:36] mattrobenolt: And I think it's out of the whole ASCII range.
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[22:37] isaacs: SubStack: so.... it'd have to notice the first mkdir that *did* work, then get the stat from the parent of that dir, and set the ownership appropriately?
[22:37] mattrobenolt: For example, here's a chunk of a key: (^7q=&pd9um#a-eg+qvf*_5#8
[22:37] SubStack: it could just stat everything
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[22:38] isaacs: SubStack: and catch ENOTDIRs and go stabby
[22:38] mattrobenolt: According to a calculator, those specs yield 2e86 possibilities.
[22:38] SubStack: sure
[22:38] isaacs: ok, i'm gonna post an issue to capture this, because i won't get to it before i forget about it
[22:38] mattrobenolt: 8e94 if we add capital letters into the mix. I'm not sure if Django uses caps or not.
[22:38] isaacs: feel free to assign to me or whatever.
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[22:39] SubStack: ksure
[22:39] SubStack: in other news, dnode is now entirely ported over to tap
[22:40] SubStack: and now uses the latest socket.io
[22:40] Aria: Grr. dom.js is indeed way faster than my parser, but the code uses all kinds of mozillaisms.
[22:40] SubStack: I also want to write an adapter for https://github.com/sockjs/sockjs-node now
[22:41] SubStack: I'll save that for the 1.0
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[22:41] Aria: Yay tap!
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[22:41] SubStack: Aria: I know right?
[22:41] Aria: Yeah!
[22:41] SubStack: seems like the only test harness that *gets* async
[22:42] Aria: Yeah.
[22:42] Aria: isaacs: How do you feel about the tap harness only trying to run executable files?
[22:42] Aria: (and perhaps implementing option parsing, like a --help or some usage hints?)
[22:42] isaacs: Aria: these are wonderful ideas!
[22:42] isaacs: you should send me a patch ;)
[22:43] Aria: I shall. I just wanted a feeler for acceptance before I go tearing in ;-)
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[22:43] isaacs: tap-runner is probably the thing to poke at wrt only running executable files.
[22:43] Aria: It feels so weird to be more developer than system admin these days.
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[22:43] Marko_: what would be way to do this in node.js? urlencode(base64_encode(hmac($api_secret_key, $signature_string)))
[22:43] isaacs: node-tap is the thing that actually has the bin.  i think it already uses nopt, but i could be wrong.
[22:43] SubStack: automating yourself out of a job eh?
[22:44] Marko_: im looking: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.3.1/api/crypto.html
[22:44] isaacs: Aria: if you add option parsing, and it doesn't arleady use it, i'm partial to nopt, since i grok it deeply and can fix its bugs easiy.
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[22:44] mattrobenolt: Marko_: One moment.
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[22:44] Aria: Ah, spiffy.
[22:45] Aria: I'd only seen the 'tap' npm module's script.
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[22:46] Aria: SubStack: Nah, actually, I canned my old business and went to work for a company stuck in PHP-land with some strong interests in realtime communication.
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[22:46] Aria: SubStack: and while I interviewed for both systems and dev, I ended up in dev.
[22:46] SubStack: realtime eh
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[22:47] Aria: Yeah. Chat and payment processing. Entirely separate systems that turn out to need similar infrastructure.
[22:47] SubStack: Aria: have you seen https://github.com/bergie/dnode-php ?
[22:47] dwasp: ExpressJS: anyone know the api to retrieve a user's session via their session id cookie directly, outside of the normal req/res cycle?
[22:47] Aria: I haven't!
[22:47] CIA-109: libuv: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r0698e3f 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Fix UNIX pipe connect error reporting, add test - http://git.io/dEbATQ
[22:47] SubStack: looks like a nice way to plug a php stack into a node realtime thingy
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[22:48] mattrobenolt: Marko_: https://gist.github.com/a13284d85a2fd5032756
[22:48] mmalecki: yay!
[22:48] Marko_: hasfunc im using is: sha256
[22:48] Aria: Interesting. Though I think we're leaning toward node+gearman for the server.
[22:48] mattrobenolt: Then just use sha256 instead of sha1.
[22:48] SubStack: Marko_++ # helping
[22:48] Aria: (We have enough clients that we can't handle all the connections on one IP, possibly not on a single box, and we want failover.)
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[22:48] SubStack: oh wait
[22:49] SubStack: mattrobenolt++
[22:49] SubStack: that's what I meant
[22:49] Aria: And then web browser and mobile apps as clients.
[22:49] SubStack: hey where are the beerbots
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[22:49] Aria: Speaking of which, where's my beer?
[22:49] mattrobenolt: I've been around this block a lot recently. ;)
[22:50] mattrobenolt: Signing and unsigning values for transport between Node and Django.
[22:50] Aria: Nice.
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[22:50] Marko_: value = $signature_string on my example?
[22:50] mattrobenolt: Well,  I don't really know what you mean by that in your example.
[22:50] mattrobenolt: You have a key, then a signature string.
[22:51] mattrobenolt: Those are kinda contradictory.
[22:51] mattrobenolt: You have a key, which signs a value.
[22:51] mattrobenolt: In an HMAC>
[22:51] Marko_: $signature_string = "GET" . chr(10) . $url['host'] . chr(10) . $url['path'] . chr(10) . $request;
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[22:51] mattrobenolt: Ok, gotcha. So that's the value you're trying to sign.
[22:51] Marko_: so its a string like salt i think?
[22:51] mattrobenolt: No, secret key is the salt.
[22:51] Marko_: ok, cool. im not familiar with terms
[22:52] mattrobenolt: In your case signature string is the value you're trying to sign and make sure it's safe.
[22:52] mattrobenolt: You wnat a signature for that value.
[22:52] mattrobenolt: Encrypted with the secret key.
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[22:52] Marko_: yeah, it looks exactly what i need
[22:52] Aria: Yeah, no salt in this: You're not doing things that are easy to break with a rainbow table.
[22:52] Aria: Salts are for just that.
[22:53] mattrobenolt: Oh, and for the uri encoding, just wrap it in encodeURIComponent()
[22:54] SubStack: dnode@0.9.0 just landed
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[22:54] SubStack: includes the latest socket.io
[22:54] mattrobenolt: encodeURIComponent(encoded)
[22:54] SubStack: well the latest socket.io with my patch anyhow
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[22:54] eddyb: is there any way of determining if there's JS code somewhere down the execution path?
[22:54] eddyb: like, if I were to throw an exception, can I make sure there's JS there to catch it (or pass-thru)?
[22:55] Marko_: great. gosh its so late over here and id like to test this already, lol
[22:55] Marko_: mattrobenolt: appreciate your help
[22:55] mattrobenolt: No problem.
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[22:56] eddyb: right now I'm relying on a hack and I have to call a function each time I enter JS (or possible JS code)
[22:56] Marko_: i faced a problem on heroku. http post to port 9001 is not giving any response so i might need to use other api to retrieve information i need
[22:56] mattrobenolt: Marko_: Zero Heroku experience here. I roll my own shit. ;)
[22:56] Marko_: lol
[22:57] Marko_: are you runnigng your apps on own clouds?
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[22:57] mattrobenolt: What do you mean? I work with a few Rackspace clusters.
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[22:58] Marko_: ok, well i think its on clouds then
[22:59] mattrobenolt: Yeah, Rackspace Cloud technically is.
[22:59] mattrobenolt: But not in the sense that Heroku is.
[22:59] Marko_: whats the difference then?
[23:00] mattrobenolt: Heroku already has the web server and everything ready for you to deploy an app.
[23:00] mattrobenolt: It handles scaling and all that fun stuff automatically.
[23:00] mattrobenolt: Rackspace Cloud server is (to a sysadmin) the same thing as a bare metal server. Nothing on it.
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[23:01] chilts: Marko_: it's the difference between IaaS (Infrastructure as a Service) and PaaS (Platform as a Service)
[23:01] Marko_: oh, very grass level
[23:01] chilts: there is also SaaS but you probably already know that one :)
[23:01] mattrobenolt: chilts: That's a better way to explain it, haha
[23:01] chilts: :)
[23:02] chilts: though there are certainly blurry lines between them all :)
[23:02] Marko_: ive used google app engine for two years
[23:02] mattrobenolt: You have much more control with a real server than you do Heroku. If you need to step outside the comfort zone a little bit, Heroku won't be able to handle it.
[23:02] mattrobenolt: Yeah, that's basically the same concept.
[23:02] Marko_: SaaS, PaaS, IaaS all assS are trendy today
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[23:02] mattrobenolt: You're not managing the actual deployment processes and the software involved to keep shit running and healthy.
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[23:04] isaacs: Marko_: my favorite is aaSaaS
[23:04] Marko_: So there are these three levels, we provide software as a service on my work. something else?
[23:04] isaacs: Marko_: aaS as a service.  you tell us what you want, we make a service out of it.
[23:04] Marko_: oh, there is the answer, lol
[23:04] isaacs:  yeah, we can do AaaS, for sure.  or LoLaaS
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[23:05] Marko_: Hi5aaS
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[23:05] isaacs: ^5aaS, you mean?
[23:05] mattrobenolt: Marko_: IaaS is just what Rackspace or Amazon does. They give you infrastructure. Heroku gives you a platform for your software. Heroku rents servers from Amazon.
[23:05] Marko_: way to go, just playing, lol
[23:05] mattrobenolt: So their PaaS is built off of Amazon's IaaS, and you're using the PaaS to deploy your SaaS!
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[23:06] Marko_: ah, thats why i saw amazon urls somehwere there
[23:06] mattrobenolt: At least I'm almost positive Heroku uses AWS. I could be wrong.
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[23:07] isaacs: remember when SaaS used to be called "a website" and IaaS was called "hosting"?
[23:07] chilts: mattrobenolt: just to paraphrase you - "So their PaaS is built off of Amazon's aaS ..." :)
[23:07] isaacs: those were the good old days.
[23:07] jerrysv: mattrobenolt: they use whoever mongohq uses
[23:07] mattrobenolt: hahaha, I remember websites.
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[23:08] mattrobenolt: MongoHQ… a cloud based database solution for MongoDB...
[23:08] mattrobenolt: ...why?
[23:08] mattrobenolt: That sounds like a terrible idea.
[23:08] dynacker: crap latency to aus too
[23:08] dynacker: :-)
[23:08] jerrysv: mattrobenolt: not everyone wants to host their own stuff
[23:08] mattrobenolt: jerrysv: Yeah, but databases need to be fast.
[23:08] Marko_: Aas'es are better busines model than one time websites definitely
[23:09] mattrobenolt: The only way it would be usable is if your site is on AWS as well.
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[23:09] mattrobenolt: So at least you can do connections over their private network directly.
[23:09] jerrysv: mattrobenolt: correct, and the data charge is free for that scenario as well
[23:10] Marko_: but hey, thanks,  will come up after more experiments
[23:10] mattrobenolt: jerrysv: That's good then. I can see if it they were targeting AWS users already.
[23:10] mattrobenolt: But as a generic service… that'd be rough. Nobody on another host would want to use it. Well, shouldn't want to use it.
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[23:12] auser: hey all
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[23:12] auser: is anyone familiar with glob?
[23:13] mattrobenolt: auser, glob… as in globbing for files?
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[23:13] auser: yep yep
[23:13] mattrobenolt: What about it?
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[23:13] auser: I'm using the flag: glob.GLOB_STAR and using a pattern with **, but I'm only seeing first-level files and directories
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[23:14] mattrobenolt: Oh, sorry, I don't know too much about glob inside Node.
[23:14] auser: k
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[23:20] isaacs: auser: hey
[23:20] dwasp: about mongohq: some clients don't need an application server just to host an api
[23:20] isaacs: auser: it's better to use the minimatch lib.
[23:20] isaacs: auser: it doesn't do dir walking for you, but if you just wanna test strings, then it's way better.
[23:21] isaacs: auser: and no compilation
[23:21] mattrobenolt: dwasp: How could you host an API without an app server?
[23:21] isaacs: auser: i'm planning to port glob over to use that for its guts, but haven't gotten to it yet
[23:21] dwasp: it's document storage based on keys and ids
[23:21] auser: k, perhaps I can help if I have some time...
[23:21] dwasp: mongo doesn't care what kind of client connects to it, as long as it sends the proper commands
[23:21] auser: thx
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[23:22] mattrobenolt: dwasp: oh, so you're saying the API queries directly on the database?
[23:22] dwasp: anyone know how to access an express/connect session outside of the req/res cycle?
[23:22] dwasp: saying the client could, yeah
[23:22] eddyb: no one knowing the answer to my question?
[23:22] dwasp: similar to amazon's simpledb thing
[23:22] Renegade001: Sorry for asking this but the channel list on Freenode is too damn big, is there any active UI channels or anything of the sort on Freenode?
[23:22] mattrobenolt: Right, but SimpleDB is used by people who have EC2 instances.
[23:23] domino14: hi mattrobenolt am i doing something wrong with your signature code? https://gist.github.com/1338244
[23:23] domino14: i took those values from your python test code, and i get 'false'
[23:23] CIA-109: libuv: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r681bd29 10/ (7 files in 5 dirs): 
[23:23] CIA-109: libuv: UV_EACCESS -> UV_EACCES
[23:23] CIA-109: libuv: In order to match existing Node API. See
[23:23] CIA-109: libuv: https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/2001 - http://git.io/W3Kpdg
[23:23] mattrobenolt: domino14: Let me take a look.
[23:24] auser: wait… that's not really what I'm looking for isaacs 
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[23:24] isaacs: auser: right, so, you're looking to select from the filesystem.
[23:24] isaacs: auser: glob.GLOB_STAR should work, then
[23:24] isaacs: auser: you're using glob(), not glob.fnmatch(), right?
[23:24] auser: I'm looking for a recursive directory walk for files of the pattern: *_test.coffee, I suppose I'll just have to write a custom function
[23:24] auser: yep
[23:24] isaacs: (fnmatch never supports glob_star)
[23:25] isaacs: auser: check out SubStack's findit utility
[23:25] auser: I'll show you what I'm doing
[23:25] isaacs: i think it lets you pass in a filter.
[23:25] auser: hm. rabbithole… 
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[23:25] isaacs: indeed.
[23:25] mattrobenolt: domino14: Hmm, that's odd.
[23:26] auser: dir = require('glob').globSync('spec/**') definitely does not do recursive directory walking
[23:26] shedinja: Hello, I'm trying to install 'cheerio' with npm, but I get npm ERR! Error: Not found: cheerio@'' but I do see cheerio when I search for it on npjs.org
[23:26] domino14: mattrobenolt: the python tests pass.
[23:26] mattrobenolt: Yeah, I'm looking at it.
[23:26] mattrobenolt: Hold on.
[23:26] dwasp: mattrobenolt: mobile apps aren't really limited by database response speed, at least not yet if they're not on wifi
[23:26] dwasp: just an example
[23:27] auser: find it works
[23:27] auser: thx isaacs 
[23:27] auser: ugh, kinda
[23:27] auser: heh
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[23:28] mattrobenolt: domino14: Ahh, I see. I'm doing it a bit differently. Hold on. Let me stare at this.
[23:28] domino14: thanks mattrobenolt
[23:28] mattrobenolt: For that unsign, in Python I'm doing:
[23:29] mattrobenolt: hmac.new(self.secret, value, sha1).hexdigest()
[23:29] SargoDarya: uarg. Does anyone of you do something with webgl?
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[23:30] domino14: yeah that is the signature in get_signature
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[23:30] domino14: is sha_hmac the same as sha1 ?
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[23:30] mattrobenolt: Which works identically...
[23:31] domino14: yep it seems it is sha1
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[23:31] domino14: maybe my node install is screwed up, did you try running my gist in yours ?
[23:32] mattrobenolt: No, apparently in Python, the two ways of creating an HMAC produce different results.
[23:32] mattrobenolt: That's interesting.
[23:33] mattrobenolt: Ohhh! I see what it's doing.
[23:33] mattrobenolt: In my get_signature in python, I'm sha1'ing the key first.
[23:34] Aria: Oops! Derivative key. (Which makes it automatically the right length.)
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[23:34] domino14: should i sha the key in crypto.createHmac ?
[23:35] CIA-109: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * rcf78d04 10/ (13 files in 6 dirs): 
[23:35] CIA-109: node: Upgrade libuv to 9c7ed0d
[23:35] CIA-109: node: Fixes test-net-pipe-connect-errors.js on UNIX.
[23:35] CIA-109: node: See #2001. - http://git.io/kGpKcQ
[23:36] mattrobenolt: Yeah, I'm playing with this a bit. One second.
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[23:36] eddyb: wtf
[23:37] eddyb: why are tty Read/WriteStreams Sockets?
[23:37] eddyb: freaking SOCKETS??
[23:37] domino14: cuz sockets are awesome
[23:37] SargoDarya: indeed they are. I'm loading all my player data over sockets
[23:38] ryah: eddyb: ?
[23:38] eddyb: tty.js
[23:38] tjholowaychuk: moar sockets
[23:38] eddyb: ReadStream WriteStream
[23:38] eddyb: they both inherit Socket
[23:38] domino14: i think i made it work, the === fails but they're identical now
[23:38] ryah: eddyb: and?
[23:38] domino14: da,,ot
[23:38] domino14: dammit
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[23:39] eddyb: where's the explanation?
[23:39] eddyb: how does it make sense?
[23:39] ryah: node is non-blocking
[23:39] ryah: sockets are the only real non-blocking thing
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[23:39] ryah: we treat everything as sockets
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[23:39] ryah: well as much as we can get away with
[23:40] eddyb: what's wrong with Stream?
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[23:40] ryah: you now have your explanation :)
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[23:41] domino14: i did this now: https://gist.github.com/1338244  and the two strings are the same, but the === is failing for some weird reason
[23:41] mmalecki: ryah: thanks for fixing this issues :)
[23:41] mattrobenolt: domino14: I'm on crack right now or something.
[23:42] ryah: mmalecki: yeah - two of those tests are going to be hard to port to windows
[23:42] domino14: lol
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[23:42] ryah: mmalecki: but i need to talk with piscisaureus_ and igorzi about them
[23:42] mattrobenolt: I can't even get it to create the right hash in Python now, haha, it keeps giving me the hash that Node is returning.
[23:42] mmalecki: ryah: you mean my tests?
[23:42] domino14: doh
[23:42] ryah: mmalecki: in particular im not sure ENOTSOCK exists on windows...
[23:43] eddyb: ryah: what has Socket that Stream doesn't have and it's useful for a tty?
[23:43] ryah: mmalecki: since sockets have thier own "namespace"
[23:43] ryah: eddyb: what's a Stream?
[23:43] mmalecki: ryah: yeah, I've tried using them. once.
[23:43] mmalecki: I recall crying.
[23:43] ryah: mmalecki: er pipes, i mean
[23:43] domino14: '8a8d431c4bee603699e3fd3e9593a3264af0f57c'
[23:43] domino14: '8a8d431c4bee603699e3fd3e9593a3264af0f57c'
[23:43] domino14: false
[23:44] domino14: do those strings look identical to anyone else? wtf ?
[23:44] mmalecki: ryah: yeah, I know
[23:44] eddyb: wait
[23:44] eddyb: ryah: stream.js is just Stream.pipe?
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[23:44] ryah: eddyb: yes
[23:44] SubStack: for now
[23:44] mattrobenolt: Ok, yeah, it did a triple equal for me fine.
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[23:45] eddyb: I shouldn't have assumed node.js makes sense
[23:45] mmalecki: ryah: but feel free to remove these tests you guys don't like. I didn't take Windows into account when writing them.
[23:45] eddyb: I think I'll head to the bed
[23:45] eddyb: and finish this rewrite tomorrow
[23:46] ryah: eddyb: computers are hard
[23:46] mattrobenolt: Oh, domino14, you're running digest('hex') twice.
[23:46] eddyb: node.js code is even worse
[23:46] mattrobenolt: That's why you're getting false.
[23:46] franksalim: let's go shopping^W write rants on G+
[23:46] mattrobenolt: The second time it's called, it's an empty string.
[23:46] ryah: everyone keeps thinking they're easy - but then they figure it out :)
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[23:46] mmalecki: ryah: my computers love me, they never failed me
[23:46] eddyb: ryah: I once done asm -> C by hand for an ARM firmware
[23:46] ryah: eddyb: when you have your own runtime let me know, we'll compare
[23:47] eddyb: it was so simple compared to node.js
[23:47] mmalecki: ryah: maybe you don't feed yours well?
[23:47] eddyb: ryah: thanks for the challenge, I'll sure keep you posted
[23:47] domino14: mattrobenolt: oh, it's a stateful thing?
[23:47] mattrobenolt: domino14: I guess so.
[23:47] mattrobenolt: https://gist.github.com/1338289 Makes it work for you.
[23:48] mattrobenolt: Sorry, I haven't touched my crypto library in a while. And the part where I'm interacting with Node, I'm signing cookies and not using my library. :)
[23:48] domino14: well everythng works now — thank you!
[23:48] mattrobenolt: I forgot I was sha1 hashing my key first.
[23:48] domino14: the only thing is those signatures also have to be secret huh
[23:48] domino14: i mean, or someone could just submit someone else's hash
[23:48] domino14: maybe i can generate the secret key dynamically
[23:48] mattrobenolt: You really don't need to do that. You could take out L25 of my crypto.py and just use secret instead of key.
[23:49] mattrobenolt: Right, you secret key is secret to your servers only.
[23:49] mattrobenolt: If someone else gets it, they can forge a request.
[23:49] mattrobenolt: Just use one of those many password generator things and make one like, 50 characters long.
[23:49] domino14: but i mean even if someone gets someone else's signature they can also forge the request
[23:49] mattrobenolt: No, you have one secret on the whole server.
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[23:50] mattrobenolt: That's why in my crypto library, I'm by default using the Django SECRET_KEY that's auto generated.
[23:50] mattrobenolt: I then stick that secret key in one of my configs for Node.
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[23:50] domino14: but if a user is viewing another user's data and then the other user chooses to turn his data stream off
[23:50] domino14: the first user can use the hash to view the data in the future
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[23:50] mattrobenolt: No.
[23:51] mattrobenolt: Keys are individual. The key is global to everyone.
[23:51] mattrobenolt: Using my example, you have the string 'value1'.
[23:51] mattrobenolt: It's signed with the signature '8a8d431c4bee603699e3fd3e9593a3264af0f57c'.
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[23:51] mattrobenolt: Now, if the value is changed, nobody else can generate a valid signature to match without your secret key used to sign it.
[23:52] mattrobenolt: It's like a normal SHA1 hash, but with salt. Sorta.
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[23:52] domino14: but if a user's name is 'value2' he can use the value1 signature to forge a request by sending node:   value1signature, value1  and node will think it was user named 'value 1' who sent it
[23:52] mattrobenolt: That's why the key must be kept private.
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[23:52] Aria: Salt?
[23:52] mattrobenolt: Oh, yeah, I see what you mean.
[23:53] zomg: If you're hashing passwords, use node-bcrypt
[23:53] mattrobenolt: That's why people typically sign a timestamp in with the request.
[23:53] domino14: so i gotta make sure to handle shared data views carefully
[23:53] domino14: hmm
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[23:54] Murvin: is that right?  app.register('.html', ejs) ?
[23:54] mattrobenolt: People will then shove that all in a url, like:  ?key=value1&expires=1320364433431&signature=8a8d431c4bee603699e3fd3e9593a3264af0f57c
[23:54] domino14: oh and the expiration date can be like a few seconds in the future
[23:54] mattrobenolt: That expires time might be 5 minutes in the future, just to give some slack with server times, or 10 minutes, whatever you're comfortable with. And the signature then is a hash of the entire query string without the signature.
[23:54] tjholowaychuk: Murvin looks fine
[23:55] domino14: sweet
[23:55] mattrobenolt: Yeah. Typically you'll take all the query string parameters and normalize them by putting them into alphabetical order. Then hashing the entire query.
[23:55] domino14: that sounds reasonable
[23:55] mattrobenolt: Then tack on the signature key.
[23:55] mattrobenolt: Make sense?
[23:55] Murvin: yes.. that's what I'm doing and a lot of sites doing.
[23:55] domino14: yep, that has been very helpful!
[23:55] mattrobenolt: In my crypto.py, I have a "sign_query" function. ;)
[23:55] Murvin: Opps. thats refer to Mattrobenolt. not my question
[23:56] mattrobenolt: It takes a dictionary object to sign and inserts a signature key.
[23:56] domino14: cryptography is awesome
[23:57] mattrobenolt: This isn't really cryptography, it's just security.
[23:57] Murvin: tjholowaychuk:  so.. test.html will resolve into test.ejs, right? hmm but it doesn't seem working.
[23:57] mattrobenolt: And hashing. Cryptogrophy (at least to me) implies encrypting/decrypting.
[23:57] tjholowaychuk: Murvin that just means that res.render('foo.html') and the file foo.html will be considered ejs
[23:57] Murvin: mattrobenolt:  what u trying to do?  I have done a lot of encrypting thing .
[23:57] tjholowaychuk: instead of the default module "html"
[23:57] mattrobenolt: These are just checksums, essentially.
[23:57] tjholowaychuk: which wouldnt exist
[23:58] mattrobenolt: Murvin: ?
[23:58] Murvin: mattrobenolt: i just log in and see part of your conversations.. :)
[23:59] mattrobenolt: Murvin: I'm fine. I'm helping domino14.
[23:59] Murvin: oh... lol.   
[23:59] Murvin: tjholowaychuk: ok.  clear. :)