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[16:40] lzskiss: hey
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[16:42] bnoordhuis: braddunbar: user land - or increase `ulimit -n`
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[16:43] mmalecki: what happened with child.killed?
[16:43] mmalecki: and bnoordhuis: fixed tls
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[16:44] braddunbar: bnoordhuis: I see.  Given that there could be a variable number or files, how can one keep track of the current amount of file descriptors open?
[16:44] braddunbar: Is that something node keeps track of?
[16:44] lzskiss: what is the best way to integrate php with node.js?
[16:44] hipsterslapfight: not to
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[16:44] bnoordhuis: braddunbar: no, it's a system limit
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[16:45] CoverSlide: ls
[16:45] CoverSlide: fucking A
[16:45] braddunbar: bnoordhuis: So how do I know how many open file descriptors my process currently has?
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[16:46] augustl: lzskiss: what do you mean with "integrate"?
[16:46] augustl: lzskiss: language agnostic APIs are always good, even if all your stuff is using the same language, I guess.
[16:46] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: when child process is alive, it has no 'killed' property, but this property appears when you kill it (and is set to false). is it a bug?
[16:46] augustl: HTTP, etc
[16:46] mmalecki: dnode-php
[16:46] CoverSlide: That's not my dad! My dad's not a phone!
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[16:47] lzskiss: augustl, i want to write to the phpBB3 database from node.js with using the phpBB3 own php functions
[16:47] lzskiss: mmalecki, thx i dont rememerber that name
[16:48] augustl: is there any sort of API for phpbb3?
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[16:48] augustl: if so I guess your best bet is to write php code that exposes this API via http, and use http from node to do stuffs.
[16:48] mmalecki: augustl: querying the DB, haha
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[16:49] CoverSlide: or use node-mysql
[16:49] augustl: if there's no stable API anywhere then writing directly to the db works too I guess
[16:49] lzskiss: i dont want write to the phpbb3 database tables
[16:50] CoverSlide: < lzskiss> augustl, i want to write to the phpBB3 database from node.js
[16:50] lzskiss: this is the last chance
[16:50] CoverSlide: make up your mind, woman!
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[16:51] augustl: lzskiss: so, is there a PHP API?
[16:51] braddunbar: bnoordhuis: Thanks for the info!
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[16:52] lzskiss: augustl, http://wiki.phpbb.com/Using_the_phpBB3.0_Basic_Functions#example-api-generate-text-insert-post
[16:52] lzskiss: :)
[16:52] lzskiss: its empty
[16:53] augustl: cool, so doing a php to http wrapper that node can talk to makes sense
[16:53] augustl: oh
[16:53] ixti: paul_uk: have you solved your problem yet?
[16:53] paul_uk: ixti: nope, everytime I try to, i write spagetti crappy code
[16:54] paul_uk: my problem is that i can't get it to block and then finish what it's doing and then for following code to execute
[16:54] lzskiss: augustl, http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpbb3api/
[16:54] lzskiss: not more find
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[16:54] paul_uk: i had a full head of hair this morning !
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[16:55] lzskiss: ok if i finidshed this work i will be put to the github
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[16:57] ixti: paul_uk: first of all can you explain (for yourself) what are you trying to do in that particular snippet
[16:58] ixti: paul_uk: second importnt thing, take closer look on which `callback` you are using and what you actually mean
[16:58] ixti: it seems to me like you are using one callback in place where you were going to use another one
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[16:59] ixti: paul_uk: and third thing you need to take a look is the scope of your friends_dict
[16:59] paul_uk: i've got a redis store which is holding userid's and information.  i've got a friends_list which is just a bunch of user_id's and what I need to do is iterate through that and then enquire on redis whether they are online or not.  the issue is that the session_store never blocks the process.
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[17:00] ixti: paul_uk: can you show the real code then (probably i'll be able to better understand it)
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[17:02] paul_uk: http://www.pastie.org/2799118 is the real code.  i just need to figure away for the session_store.get('user_hash'  segment to block the process, complete and then carry on the for loop and when that;s done, carry on.
[17:02] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: yes, that's probably a bug - it's not how it used to work in 0.4
[17:02] paul_uk: except the session_store code takes it's sweet time and by then the forlopp has finished and the other code has already executed! X(
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[17:03] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: it was defined right after it was created
[17:03] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: pull requesting :)
[17:03] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: also, funny, on 0.5.9 it isn't defined at all
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[17:05] mmalecki: hm, I think I accidentally 500'ed github.
[17:06] mmalecki: but it worked, so it's ok
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[17:06] bnoordhuis: github's been a lot like piscisaureus's girlfriend the last few days
[17:06] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/1991
[17:06] bnoordhuis: going down all the time
[17:06] mmalecki: haha
[17:07] mmalecki: I'm glad someone else noticed it as well
[17:07] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: This pull request cannot be automatically merged. 
[17:07] mmalecki: not that part about girlfriend, I mean
[17:07] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: huh? that's weid
[17:07] piscisaureus_: muhahahaha
[17:07] mmalecki: *weird
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[17:08] mmalecki: haha
[17:08] bnoordhuis: kicked by a trillian user - the indignity of it all!
[17:08] smathy: :)
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[17:09] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: it rebased cleanly
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[17:09] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: pushed, check it out now
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[17:10] toomus: hi
[17:10] bnoordhuis: mmalecki: i think github is borked, the patch applies cleanly
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[17:11] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: very likely, it 500 when I submitted it. something might've gone terribly wrong.
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[17:12] mmalecki: OMG MY PULL REQUEST KILLED GITHUB.
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[17:12] CIA-109: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r60818b9 10/ (15 files in 2 dirs): Add missing copyright headers - http://git.io/J1H_Iw
[17:13] jpdery: hi
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[17:20] JasonJS: I'm having issues trying to get my dnode client to use websocket - can anyone point me at an example?
[17:21] mmalecki: JasonJS: server <-> browser?
[17:21] JasonJS: mmalecki: Yes
[17:21] mmalecki: JasonJS: if your browser is fairly up to date, it won't work
[17:21] mmalecki: JasonJS: socket.io version is too old
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[17:21] JasonJS: mmalecki: Ah - that's... annoying
[17:22] mmalecki: JasonJS: use socket.io
[17:22] mmalecki: JasonJS: and it should be resolved quickly
[17:22] JasonJS: mmalecki: Why does dnode run with a pre-packaged socket.io?
[17:22] JasonJS: I was using socket.io - thought I'd see how dnode worked also
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[17:23] mmalecki: JasonJS: it's connected with browserify. I didn't really have time to look into it
[17:23] mmalecki: SubStack: yo, you there?
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[17:25] JasonJS: I asked this over in #socket.io yesterday but I'll throw it out here too. I've also got several servers that are communicating with each other. Should I consider using socket.io-client and socket.io for the comms or stick with something like dnode for that?
[17:25] mmalecki: JasonJS: hook.io
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[17:26] JasonJS: Hook.io scares me :P
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[17:26] JasonJS: Plus, several of the servers are not Node
[17:26] tjholowaychuk: JasonJS zmq if you're talking to multiple languages
[17:26] tjholowaychuk: pretty much every language has a binding
[17:26] tjholowaychuk: they're pretty thin
[17:27] TheJH: JasonJS, whether you should take socket.io or dnode depends on what you want to do
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[17:27] JasonJS: That's why I was leaning towards socket.io or dnode - they had bindings for all languages I require. I'll take a look at zmq
[17:27] SubStack: beep boop
[17:27] TheJH: JasonJS, however, you should know that dnode slowly leaks callback RAM that only gets freed when you close the connection at the moment
[17:27] SubStack: yep dnode and socket.io do different stuff
[17:28] SubStack: TheJH: only for certain types of usage
[17:28] TheJH: JasonJS, especially for cross-language stuff, that might be hard to fix
[17:28] TheJH: SubStack, true
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[17:28] TheJH: SubStack, e.g. if you often use callbacks
[17:28] mmalecki: SubStack: when will dnode use newer socket.io?
[17:29] SubStack: JasonJS: socket.io doesn't work well with browserify is why dnode bundles its own version
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[17:29] JasonJS: Ah - good to know
[17:30] mmalecki: SubStack: wasn't there a pull request or something?
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[17:31] isaacs: xsyn: no, npm still installs locally;
[17:31] isaacs: there are no plans to change that
[17:31] JasonJS: Has anyone else used socket.io-client and socket.io in a server-server usage?
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[17:31] SubStack: mmalecki: there was but it unfortunately had a lot of other unrelated changes
[17:32] Aikar: JasonJS: are you looking for 'channels' kind of feature?
[17:32] JasonJS: Aikar: No - just inter-server communications
[17:32] mmalecki: SubStack: rejected? shit.
[17:32] Aikar: JasonJS: http://github.com/aikar/wormhole may do what you need, be alot lighter than socket.io, but youll need to handle reconnections/connecting etc yourself. this just handles the transport of messages
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[17:33] JasonJS: I'll take a look. I was already using socket.io for client->server so I figured I see what it could do on the server-server side of things
[17:33] CIA-109: node: 03Maciej Małecki 07master * r6bd0bcd 10/ lib/child_process.js : 
[17:33] CIA-109: node: child_process: in a new `ChildProcess` set `killed` to false
[17:33] CIA-109: node: This behavior is consistent with what v0.4 does. - http://git.io/0CjB8w
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[17:34] jbrokc: is there any documentation available for what fs.watchFiles is going to look like?
[17:34] mmalecki: bnoordhuis: thanks
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[17:35] bnoordhuis: jbrokc: fs.watch()
[17:35] jbrokc: yeah that
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[17:35] bnoordhuis: it is (should be) documented
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[17:37] jbrokc: i thought it was being deprecated for something different in 0.6
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[17:38] CIA-109: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * rc8646e0 10/ test/simple/test-child-process-kill.js : test: add ChildProcess.prototype.killed test case - http://git.io/6mtaew
[17:38] bnoordhuis: jbrokc: it is - .watchFile() is out, .watch() is in
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[17:42] TheJH: JasonJS, oh, if I remember correctly, socket.io-client is not really designed for usage apart from testing
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[17:43] DTrejo: captain_morgan: working on getting tap parsing working
[17:43] TheJH: JasonJS, I think that for node-node-connections, you should just pipe json lines over TCP or so
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[17:49] katharinairrgang: hello eveybody.
[17:49] devdazed: hi all, with regards to "net" and sockets.  I noticed that when calling "socket.write" it buffers data before sending it over the wire.  is it possible for part of the data in one of the write calls to be received in a different data event?
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[17:49] katharinairrgang: can anybody help me to find official source to node.js??
[17:49] ryanrolds_w: https://github.com/joyent/node
[17:50] devdazed: meaning that the receiver will get part of one write call in one data event and the other part in a second data emit?
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[17:57] Draggor: devdazed: certainly possible I think
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[17:58] Draggor: don't assume a data event directly correlates to a write
[17:59] devdazed: i know a data event can correlate to multiple wriites
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[17:59] devdazed: but can it correlate to half a write
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[17:59] devdazed: meaning half the data in one write
[17:59] Draggor: sure
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[17:59] devdazed: so how does one put data together
[17:59] katharinairrgang: hello can anybody help me?
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[18:00] JmZ: when using net.createConnection, then the 'data' event, will the entire chunk of data be read into memory at that point?
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[18:00] JmZ: im trying to write it so when data is received, it writes it out into a file
[18:00] devdazed: JmZ: its a stream
[18:00] jerrysv: katharinairrgang: ryanrolds_w already pointed to it: https://github.com/joyent/node
[18:00] JmZ: i thought so devdazed
[18:01] JmZ: but im getting some error about piping it, which i can't read since it tries dumping the binary in the error message
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[18:01] katharinairrgang: no  i mean books or official articals about nodejs and this characteristics
[18:01] CoverSlide: JmZ: gist your code
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[18:02] katharinairrgang: i have to write a skilled work about nodejs
[18:02] devdazed: Draggor: is then possible for data to be out of order then?
[18:02] Draggor: devdazed: http://pastie.org/2800168
[18:02] Draggor: devdazed: it won't be out of order
[18:02] Draggor: you collect your info in buffer or whatever var you want.
[18:03] Draggor: you can do your parsing on what you've collected so far, clear it out, etc.
[18:03] devdazed: what if the socket has multiple connections.  how can i tell what part of a message goes with the other part?
[18:03] JmZ: CoverSlide: https://gist.github.com/1334387
[18:03] Draggor: if it's on the server side then you attach it to each connection, not the socket itself
[18:03] CoverSlide: JmZ: you're trying to create multiple write streams to the same file
[18:03] devdazed: ah, that makes much more sense
[18:03] JmZ: CoverSlide: ignore that
[18:04] JmZ: the filename changes per connection, i just did that to test
[18:04] JmZ: since i only had one connection
[18:04] devdazed: Draggor: thanks for your help
[18:04] ryanrolds_w: katharinairrgang: http://nodejs.org/
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[18:04] CoverSlide: ok, but the fact is each 'data' event is emitted when a chunk of data gets recieved, not per new connection
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[18:04] JmZ: yeah that's what I figured
[18:05] CoverSlide: also d is a buffer, and you can't pipe a buffer
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[18:05] JmZ: which is what i was asking about initially
[18:05] JmZ: but someone said it was a stream
[18:05] CoverSlide: `req` is a stream
[18:05] JmZ: yeah i know that
[18:05] CoverSlide: `d` is just a collection of bits
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[18:06] JmZ: i see now
[18:06] JmZ: can get that down to a couple of lines then
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[18:07] CoverSlide:             var fname = 'sometestname';
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[18:08] CoverSlide:             req.pipe(fs.createWriteStream('./' + fname));
[18:08] CoverSlide: is all you need
[18:08] JmZ: yeah just did that now
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[18:08] JmZ: simple misunderstanding
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[18:19] TheJH: mikeal, is there a way to disable the agent in request for node 0.4.x?
[18:19] isaacs: mikeal: ok, so... i should probably not have been programming with a fever, but i'm sorta coming around to your way of thinking on the multistream stuff.
[18:19] isaacs: the thing that sucks is that i'll end up emitting end multiple times, which is stupid, or having one long stream of data that corresponds to multiple files, which is also stupid.
[18:20] mikeal: TheJH: not really, you can disable pooling but the Agent logic is still there
[18:20] mikeal: http.request({agent:false})
[18:20] mikeal: in 0.5 it actually opts out of the agent entirely
[18:20] isaacs: so the tar reader needs to not be just a ReadStream/filter thing, but i'm not sure how best to handle that on the receiving end.
[18:20] TheJH: mikeal, mhm, ok
[18:21] mikeal: isaacs: so, as long as you can pause() it, and it'll actually stop emitting data, you the reader can listen for events that tell it about new files or whatever and, when it needs to do a non-blocking operation like stat, it can pause() the readstream
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[18:23] isaacs: mikeal: you can pause the reader, and that works.  the tar reader has an underlying BlockStream, which has to do buffering and stuff anyway, so pausing is easy
[18:23] polotek: sorry I just go here
[18:23] polotek: are we all about buffering now?
[18:24] isaacs: polotek: i'm trying to figure out an api that will allow me to have polymorphism between directories and tarballs, for reading and writing, and pipe them to one another.
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[18:24] polotek: isaacs: that sounds awesome
[18:24] isaacs: yeah
[18:24] mikeal: polotek: i caved entirely on buffering
[18:24] mikeal: .pause(size)
[18:24] polotek: mikeal: +1
[18:24] mikeal: get rid of that .buffer() method proposal i had
[18:25] isaacs: mikeal: is size in bytes or chunk counts or what?
[18:25] mikeal: let pause take a size argument to prevent it from always pausing the input fd
[18:25] polotek: strategic buffering makes a ton of things way more palletable
[18:25] mikeal: bytes
[18:25] mikeal: actually, it's the .length of chunks
[18:25] isaacs: right
[18:25] isaacs: generally that's bytes
[18:25] mikeal: because if the stream had setEncoding called it could be strings
[18:25] isaacs: blockstream does that sort of.
[18:26] isaacs: ie, it returns true if it has less than <blocksize> in it's buffer
[18:26] mikeal: yup
[18:26] polotek: so the default behavior is still no size and it'll propagate back to the fd stream?
[18:26] isaacs: since tarballs are always guaranteed to be a round number of 512 byte blocks, that was just way easier.
[18:26] mikeal: yeah
[18:26] polotek: I like it
[18:27] mikeal: because if the final writer calls pause() it'll do it with no arguments, and you need to pause the input fd
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[18:27] mikeal: ok, i'm heading to the city for lunch
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[18:27] mikeal: isaacs: you in SF?
[18:27] polotek: so I actually came here to ask a question about socket.io. since nobody hangs out in their channel
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[18:27] isaacs: mikeal: no, i'm in oakland.  sick at home.
[18:28] polotek: anybody had issues with high latency on connect?
[18:28] mikeal: damn
[18:28] polotek: I already fixed one problem where many times it waits on window load to fire connect
[18:28] mikeal: polotek: yes, but i don't have a fix
[18:28] isaacs: stay away.  you don't want none of this nasal shit.
[18:28] polotek: mikeal: I would meet up with you but I just got to work
[18:28] _sorensen_: isaacs: does https://github.com/isaacs/multipart-js work at all?
[18:28] isaacs: _sorensen_: no.
[18:28] mikeal: i'm heading to 5th and Minna
[18:28] _sorensen_: roger that
[18:28] isaacs: _sorensen_: you probably want felixge's formidable
[18:29] isaacs: _sorensen_: it's on the todo list :)
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[18:29] _sorensen_: i want to mock / proxy a form post to a django server from node
[18:29] mikeal: chairman bao bun truck for lunch :)
[18:29] _sorensen_: not use node to handle the actual upload
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[18:30] mikeal: _sorensen_: npm install request
[18:30] isaacs: _sorensen_: yeah, request can do this.
[18:30] mikeal: http.createServer(function (req, resp) { req.pipe(request(urlToDjango).pipe(resp) })
[18:31] mikeal: with node 0.5
[18:31] mikeal: the pipe looks a little different in 0.4
[18:32] _sorensen_: :O
[18:32] _sorensen_: does that save me from messing with all the content-disposition / content-type stuff?
[18:32] _sorensen_: TIL i suck at this stuff
[18:32] mikeal: it proxies all the headers, method and body
[18:32] _sorensen_: >.<
[18:33] polotek: _sorensen_: you probably want to upload some fixture data right?
[18:33] _sorensen_: the node server is requesting from 2 endpoints, one delivers the file, the other json, combines them, and tries to mock a form post multipart to django
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[18:33] jesusabdullah: req.pipe(request().pipe(resp))? or, req.pipe(request()).pipe(resp) ?
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[18:34] jesusabdullah: I'm guessing the latter :E
[18:34] polotek: request( { url: urlToDjango, body: fs.createReadStream(someFixtureFile) })
[18:34] mikeal: jesusabdullah: the latter, my mistake
[18:34] mikeal: lazy typing :(
[18:34] _sorensen_: so far the file is being read into node from a stream
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[18:35] _sorensen_: its not reading it from the directory directly
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[18:36] mikeal: if it's in a file you just do
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[18:36] mikeal: fs..createReadStream(filename).pipe(request.put(urlToDjango)).pipe(resp)
[18:37] polotek: mikeal: I think that's wicked. But something has always bothered me about it
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[18:37] jesusabdullah: That you can't stop a pipe?
[18:37] jesusabdullah: or, unpipe a pipe?
[18:37] polotek: no, nothing like that
[18:37] polotek: just something about the way it reads isn't intuitive
[18:38] polotek: passing a stream as the body has always felt better to me. more explicit
[18:38] polotek: and it could still turn into a pipe underneath
[18:38] polotek: not sure if it actually does right now
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[18:40] devdazed: is there a way to make JSON.parse not throw an error when if fails? maybe just return null?  i want to avoid the try..catch
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[18:42] _sorensen_: hmm, thanks guys, i'll give this a try
[18:42] distrus: i'm having problems installing npm under windows
[18:42] polotek: devdazed: nope
[18:42] polotek: :)
[18:42] devdazed: ok, thanks
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[18:44] isaacs: distrus: what problems?
[18:44] polotek: has anyone had much experience with using the "authorization" method with socket.io?
[18:44] isaacs: devdazed: function jsonParse (str) { try { return JSON.parse(str) } catch (e) { return null } }
[18:44] distrus: i'm doing everything on the list here http://npmjs.org/doc/README.html#Installing-on-Windows-Experimental and i don't get any errors, i've modified the path, updated git ( i had an older version), downloaded the node.exe 
[18:45] isaacs: distrus: what output are you seeing?  can you gist it, along with the npm-debug.log file that's created?
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[18:45] domino14: hey guys, i have a server with SSL and django. our users will go to beta.example.com, but i want to set up a node.js server at node.example.com. Some of our requests will go to node.example.com. I want that one to be SSL as well. is there a cross domain problem?
[18:45] devdazed: isaacs: thanks, i was doing that, but i wanted to avoid the try…catch, i understand it isn't possible
[18:45] distrus: yep i can, at the last line there's no output it seems like everything works
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[18:46] distrus: let me check the log, be back with a gist shortly
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[18:46] isaacs: k
[18:46] polotek: domino14: in general yes. subdomains are still cross domain.
[18:46] polotek: you can do some tricky stuff with document.domain
[18:47] isaacs: distrus: i've gotta run, if no one here knows what's up, post an issue on the npm github page.
[18:47] polotek: but that usually ends up being just as much trouble as using some cross domain request solution
[18:47] isaacs: distrus: if it's tar barfing (likely) then it's a known issue and will be dealt with in the next few weeks.
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[18:48] polotek: Some alternate options are to have a load balancer front that will proxy to node, e.g. beta.example.com/node
[18:48] polotek: that has it's own issues and limitations
[18:48] polotek: if you're trying to use websockets, forget about it
[18:48] domino14: what type of issues ?
[18:48] domino14: hmm
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[18:48] domino14: what if i have django talk to node internally
[18:49] polotek: but if you're using socket.io and you don't mind using the other transports, xhr-polling, jsonp-polling
[18:49] polotek: you can go that route
[18:49] polotek: we're doing something similar
[18:49] polotek: domino14: I wouldn't recommend that. the latency will kill you
[18:50] polotek: you've got nginx or something in front of django right?
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[18:50] polotek: put it in front of node as well. and try the proxy thing
[18:50] domino14: polotek: yes nginx proxies to gunicorn
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[18:50] polotek: as I said, you'll lose actual websocket support, but the other socket.io transports work fine
[18:50] polotek: and since it'll be same domain as far as the browser is concerned, it'll use simple xhr long-polling
[18:51] polotek: which works fine
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[18:52] polotek: domino14: also be careful with mixing secure and insecure endpoints.
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[18:53] polotek: there are some oddities in IE when going from SSL pages to insecure remote urls.
[18:53] domino14: mm
[18:53] polotek: that will likely become a headache locally when you're trying to test and your local paths aren't https :)
[18:53] domino14: if i wasnt using SSL, could i have a separate node box ?
[18:53] polotek: <- experienced and bitter
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[18:54] domino14: i never test. i code straight on production
[18:54] cn22: polotek, very useful advice thanks
[18:54] TheJH: domino14, https://bitly.com/n5pVWV
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[18:55] polotek: you can have a separate node box even with SSL. you can nginx handle SSL and then proxy to node
[18:55] polotek: or you can use node's https module
[18:55] polotek: haven't used that in production so I don't know what people's experience is
[18:55] domino14: hmm
[18:55] domino14: how would i set up the proxy with another box? and with nginx i can't do websockets, right
[18:56] distrus: weirdly enough i don't have any log file afterwards or any ouput of any kind when running node cli.js install npm -gf
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[18:56] jbrokc: is it possible to have semi-colon-less named functions that are self executing? for instance: https://gist.github.com/0154c6d592e3669b518e
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[18:59] CoverSlide: jbrokc: if you prefix it with something other than a ( you should be ok
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[18:59] CoverSlide: you can do !function(){}()
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[19:00] jbrokc: CoverSlide: that returns false for Foo and undefined for Foo()
[19:00] polotek: jbrokc: you're getting bitten by hoisting
[19:00] polotek: when you "return Foo;" it is undefined
[19:00] jbrokc: but it's inside of itself...
[19:01] polotek: jbroke, no it's not. you're defining a variable foo
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[19:01] polotek: then you're executing an anonymous function
[19:01] CoverSlide: put a function Foo(){} inside that closure
[19:01] polotek: then you're returning that variable
[19:01] polotek: which is still undefined
[19:01] jbrokc: oh..
[19:01] polotek: yeah you could name the anonymous function Foo
[19:01] polotek: but why do you need to do things this way?
[19:01] polotek: why not just create a constructor function Foo()
[19:02] jbrokc: polotek: could you gist an interpretation?
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[19:03] polotek: jbrokc: well what are you doing with the User function?
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[19:04] jbrokc: polotek: create an object with props being a augmented private property in a module pattern
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[19:05] jbrokc: polotek: this is the pattern coffeescript uses for its classes
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[19:06] CoverSlide: ok seriously, fuck the module pattern, this may be a pythonism, but it should apply to JS too: `We're all consenting adults here`
[19:06] polotek: jbrokc: yeah but you're not using User anywhere
[19:06] polotek: Is Foo supposed to be a subclass of User
[19:06] polotek: or vice versa
[19:06] jbrokc: polotek: err, should just be Foo
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[19:07] jbrokc: sorry, that's completely off, function Foo(properties) {… } 
[19:07] polotek: jbrokc: ah, gotcha
[19:07] jbrokc: but it's still the same issue, I just didn't give the right code (dumb)
[19:08] polotek: so my next question is, is there a reason you want props to be a closure var?
[19:08] polotek: oh sorry, I see what you're trying to achieve here
[19:09] jbrokc: polotek: i just want it available on instantiation, everything else is through the public interface
[19:10] polotek: https://gist.github.com/7ab5c5dd8f7f7d8855c9
[19:10] polotek: you can't mix instance vars like props and prototype functions
[19:11] polotek: once you want a per-instance version of props, you need per instance functions to access it
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[19:12] jbrokc: polotek: what's the difference between using this. in this case and Foo.prototype.  ?
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[19:12] polotek: or 
[19:12] polotek: https://gist.github.com/7ab5c5dd8f7f7d8855c9
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[19:13] polotek: does that make more sense?
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[19:14] jbrokc: yeah, i guess. so in my first example if you type Foo it would just return back the anonymous function Foo() since, weirdly, wrapping that whole thing and then putting a () after it executes the inner function
[19:15] jbrokc: that's something I still don't quite get
[19:15] jbrokc: polotek: ^^
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[19:15] polotek: your anonymous function execution works fine, that's not the problem
[19:16] jbrokc: polotek: no, i'm asking a different question really quickly
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[19:33] unlink: :qa
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[19:50] zmbmartin: I am trying to pull files from one db and insert into another with mongolian and am getting pipe(): too many files open?
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[19:59] devdazed: zmbmartin: linux or windows?
[19:59] zmbmartin: devdazed: ubuntu linux
[19:59] devdazed: try increasing the number of open file handles
[20:00] devdazed: s/handles/descriptors
[20:00] zmbmartin: devdazed: how do I do that?
[20:00] devdazed: to display the max: cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max
[20:01] devdazed: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-increase-the-maximum-number-of-open-files/
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[20:01] devdazed: well thats for cents. I'm not sure if it's different for ubuntu
[20:02] zmbmartin: devdazed: do I increase it for my user or ?
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[20:03] devdazed: zmbmartin: increase for the user that is running the node process. or do a system wide increase
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[20:04] quackquack: tjholowaychuk: im getting "Error: ECONNREFUSED, Connection refused" when I try to `browser.post` with Tobi
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[20:06] quackquack: oops, fixed it my bad ><
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[20:06] quackquack: double scratch, its back
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[20:08] mmalecki: quackquack: node 0.5.10?
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[20:08] quackquack: mmalecki: im still using 0.4.1, should i upgrade & see if it fixes?
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[20:09] mmalecki: quackquack: yeah, try that
[20:10] quackquack: mmalecki: k, give me a few mins
[20:10] quackquack: mmalecki: is there any rvm like solution so that I can keep using .4 for some old code of mine?
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[20:13] devdazed: quackquack: nvm
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[20:13] quackquack: devdazed: ty
[20:13] devdazed: https://github.com/creationix/nvm
[20:13] devdazed: np
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[20:15] JmZ: nice
[20:15] JmZ: most self explanatory error ever: 
[20:15] JmZ: events.js:48
[20:15] JmZ: throw arguments[1]; // Unhandled 'error' event
[20:15] JmZ: Error: UNKNOWN, Unknown error
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[20:17] quackquack: you gotta love node's cryptic errors
[20:17] JmZ: indeed, and there's no point me looking at line 48 of events because any number of things could be getting there
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[20:18] devdazed: it just says that the first argument sent to "emit" was an error
[20:18] AvianFlu: an error that nothing was listening for, more specifically
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[20:19] JmZ: there is a chunk of hacky looking code im using but thats because the logic is just ugh
[20:19] remysharp: if I've got a process intensive task (in a web site), should I be shooting this off to a child process and communicating via a socket? Or is there a more sensible approach?
[20:19] devdazed: JmZ: put a listener on error and inspect the error object
[20:20] JmZ: im receiving data from n hosts, saving them all then, when all are complete, processing them as a group
[20:20] JasonJS: Question - where do people put their node servers on the filesystem? /var? /usr/local? Elsewhere?
[20:20] JmZ: but it involves calling an external program to 'process' them
[20:20] devdazed: if you put a listener on error, it won't crash the process
[20:20] JmZ: yeah ok
[20:21] devdazed: JasonJS: i always run my node apps under a user and put the files in the home directory
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[20:21] JmZ: devdazed: the error event of what though?
[20:21] JmZ: i have multiple things which could throw errors
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[20:22] devdazed: whatever event emitter you have
[20:22] mmalecki: tjholowaychuk: yo, you there?
[20:22] devdazed: its probably your instance of server, or it could be the coket
[20:22] devdazed: *socket
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[20:24] quackquack: mmalecki: k, i dont get the error any more -- but it doesnt run the test, it just hangs.... i dont think expresso (or tobi? dunno...) is 0.5.10 ready
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[20:24] mmalecki: quackquack: actually, use 0.5.9 or 0.4.12
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[20:25] mmalecki: 0.5.10 is fucked, doesn't resolve localhost
[20:26] devdazed: mmalecki: 0.5.10 is resolving localhost for me.  However, I have it explicitly set in my host file
[20:26] JmZ: also, can i stop a net.Server listening.. inside it?
[20:26] JmZ: specifically inside the connection callback/event
[20:26] devdazed: JmZ: call close() on the server object
[20:26] mmalecki: devdazed: yeah, well, that's not the way really
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[20:26] quackquack: mmalecki: k, trying 0.5.9... btw, how do i get nvm to use npm? it was giving me a 'no such module' error
[20:26] devdazed: mmalecki: agreed :)
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[20:26] JmZ: well, i see that but
[20:27] devdazed: quackquack: nvm should automatically install npm
[20:27] JmZ: i need to accept 'n' connections, then close
[20:27] quackquack: devdazed: even doing 'npm help
[20:27] quackquack: was giving me an error
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[20:27] devdazed: JmZ: put a listen on 'connection' and increment a counter then do something when that counter reaches something
[20:27] JmZ: devdazed: do something where?
[20:28] JmZ: if not inside that
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[20:28] mmalecki: quackquack: what do you mean? npm should use version selected by nvm
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[20:29] devdazed: JmZ: do you want to limit the number of connections? or shut down the server after N connections?
[20:29] quackquack: mmalecki: npm was crashing.. ill try again after this compile finished. maybe i otta update npm, also
[20:29] mmalecki: oh, I think yes
[20:30] JmZ: devdazed: i want to shut it down
[20:30] mmalecki: there's a problem with process.binding('stdio') or whatevs
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[20:31] quackquack: mmalecki: k, using 0.5.9 npm works again, but same problem w/ expresso+tobi
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[20:33] devdazed: JmZ: http://pastie.org/2800902
[20:33] devdazed: that what you're lookingfor?
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[20:35] paul_uk: hey all, with redis, if i have a hash sessions with json and i have a hash clients with a string.  if I am doing hdel on both sessions and clients, why does it work for clients but sessions it's not deleting successfully?  I have the most inane issues with node + redis... X(
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[20:38] JmZ: yeah devdazed, thats what i ended up doing
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[20:38] mmalecki: quackquack: can you run tests on tobi?
[20:39] quackquack: mmalecki: no, it just hangs.. no errors
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[20:39] mmalecki: quackquack: I mean, tobi's unit tests
[20:41] quackquack: ah..
[20:41] quackquack: i had uninstalled it.. just tried to reinstall.. looks like the package.json only declares compatibility w/ 0.4.x
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[20:42] tjholowaychuk: quackquack i havent tried it with 0.5.x yet
[20:43] quackquack: tjholowaychuk: that would explain some of the trouble :)
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[20:45] alessioalex: 
ACTION hello everyone

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[20:46] Layke: Anyone use the mysql package. How do you check to see if the connection was successful?
[20:46] Layke: client.ping()?
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[20:47] alessioalex: I think the connect method has a callback probably
[20:47] pquerna: Marak: hey
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[20:47] dotan: hi guys, i'm wondering if there is any generic module to include in express/connect app that will expose req/s from the server's side.. or what do typically people do?
[20:48] Layke: alessioalex, the connect method is deprecated now. It doesn't exist.
[20:48] Layke: alessioalex, The connect happens automatically when you use a query. 
[20:48] tjholowaychuk: dotan http://senchalabs.github.com/connect/middleware-responseTime.html ?
[20:49] tjholowaychuk: dotan there's nothing to collect stats like that though
[20:49] tjholowaychuk: that i've seen at least
[20:49] tjholowaychuk: but it would be pretty simple
[20:49] dotan: tjholowaychuk, yep. I thought of asking around before rolling my own or using statsd/the sorts
[20:51] alessioalex: Layke If a connection cannot be established, the error is delegated to the query callback, rather than the client's 'error' event.
[20:51] alessioalex: https://github.com/felixge/node-mysql/wiki/Upgrading-to-0.9.2+
[20:51] alessioalex: that means you can have: client.query('SELECT 1', function(err) { ... if (err) do something ...
[20:51] alessioalex: I think
[20:51] Layke: Yeah that's what I thought. 
[20:51] Layke: *in evvvery* query.
[20:51] Layke: Kind of a pig.
[20:52] alessioalex: Seems kind of odd to me too, but I think you should just try to connect with a wrong pass and see the message
[20:52] Layke: Currently I am using client.ping(). But I don't know how hackish that it.
[20:52] Layke: If I use the wrong password. I get an object.
[20:52] Layke: If I get the right password, I get a "null".
[20:52] alessioalex: Find unique things about that object
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[20:52] alessioalex: Such as object.message = "Cannot connect"
[20:52] alessioalex: or something
[20:52] Layke: Yup. That's all I've done. 
[20:52] dotan: tjholowaychuk, thanks for the pointer, though!
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[20:53] Layke: I just wanted to ask in case there is an "official" way. :) Since I feel a bit hacky doing that solution.
[20:53] alessioalex: Then write a helper method for that specific message (when the conn cannot be established) and use that helper everywhere.
[20:53] Layke: Ok cheers for the pointer.
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[20:53] alessioalex: np
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[20:54] alessioalex: sh1mmer hey
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[20:55] AvianFlu: v8: true
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[20:55] AvianFlu: bah, where's my IRC repl!
[20:55] AvianFlu: 
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[21:09] SixView: What is the "right" way to determine temporary directory on nodejs windows?  
[21:09] chrischris_: hi. maybe somebody could help me out in understanding a node.js issue?
[21:09] errordeveloper: mikeal: ping ... ...
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[21:34] Dulak: is $75/hour expensive for node programming?  I just had a guy pitch a fit at that rate when it looks like its about $50/hour lower than what most others are charging...
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[21:35] learningnode: hi there can someone help me please 
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[21:35] learningnode: i just setup node and cloud9 
[21:35] learningnode: and i m getting this error
[21:35] learningnode:         throw e; // process.nextTick error, or 'error' event on first tick         ^ Error: Cannot find module '/Users/farrukh/nodeprojects'     at Function._resolveFilename (module.js:326:11)     at Function._load (module.js:271:25)     at Array.<anonymous> (module.js:430:10)     at EventEmitter._tickCallback (node.js:126:26)
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[21:37] learningnode: any one 
[21:37] Vova: hello
[21:37] learningnode: hello 
[21:38] Bediako: hello
[21:38] learningnode: looks like all node gurus are busy
[21:39] Vova: I am not guru :(
[21:39] learningnode: :(
[21:39] chilts: anyone know what the old 'npm bundle' command did? I've just seen it in a project but my new npm doesn't know that command anymore
[21:39] learningnode: but u might be better han me
[21:39] Vova: maybe module file was not copied to server?
[21:40] learningnode: vova u know much about cloud9 
[21:40] Vova: nodeprojects was NPM module,   or simple JS file?
[21:40] stride: chilts: it put a project + dependencies into a folder iirc
[21:41] learningnode: vova r u asking me ?
[21:41] chilts: stride: ah ok, thanks
[21:41] chilts: I might take that bit out seeing as it doesn't look like it's supported any more :)
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[21:42] Vova: learningnode, yes  asking
[21:43] learningnode: it can find module.js
[21:43] Vova: and 'nodeprojects'  ?
[21:44] learningnode: thats the folder where hello.js file is
[21:44] Vova: because looks like code try to include module with name "nodeprojects"
[21:44] Vova: it can be JS file in same dir: nodeprojects.js
[21:45] learningnode: but question is if i just write the same code in node console it works fine
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[21:45] Vova: Can you please paste this code here to view?
[21:46] learningnode: sure
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[21:47] learningnode: var http = require('http');
[21:47] learningnode: var server = http.createServer(function (request, response) {   response.writeHead(200, {"Content-Type": "text/plain"});   response.end("Hello World\n"); });
[21:47] learningnode: var server = http.createServer(function (request, response) {   response.writeHead(200, {"Content-Type": "text/plain"});   response.end("Hello World\n"); });
[21:47] learningnode: console.log("Server running at http://127.0.0.1:8000/");
[21:47] Bonuspunkt: you missed the server.listen(port) stuff?
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[21:48] learningnode: server.listen(8000);
[21:49] learningnode: let me try and pas the whole code in one go
[21:49] learningnode:  var http = require('http');  var server = http.createServer(function (request, response) {   response.writeHead(200, {"Content-Type": "text/plain"});   response.end("Hello World\n"); }); server.listen(8000); console.log("Server running at http://127.0.0.1:8000/");
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[21:52] chilts: learningnode: use gist.github.com or pastie.org to paste code (ie. don't paste it into the channel) :)
[21:52] chilts: thanks :D
[21:52] chilts: or a similar service
[21:52] JmZ: mmm
[21:52] learningnode: ok
[21:53] chilts: then just paste the link to it from here
[21:53] cn22: there should be a bot that we can trigger to say that each time
[21:53] JmZ: im executing a command ('child_process' module), then in its callback, unlinking/deleting files which it used
[21:54] JmZ: this seems to cause unexplained errors sometimes, but not everytime. as if the file is being removed while the process is still executing maybe?
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[21:54] Bonuspunkt: learningnode just a wild guess - you did not set a start file at cloud9 / it works when the filename is index.js?
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[21:55] learningnode: no i did 
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[21:55] learningnode: i just set the folder
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[21:56] learningnode: here is the guys https://gist.github.com/1335050
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[21:56] Bwen: i'm trying to find more info on the object that is passed to the following callback: tls.createServer(options, function (socket){}); anyone? doesnt it have a unique id?
[21:56] TooTallNate: can anyone think of a way to access the "global" object inside vm.runInNewContext?
[21:56] TooTallNate: and by "global" I mean the passed in ctx object
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[21:58] learningnode: bonuspunkt ur were right 
[21:58] Bonuspunkt: learningnode check your run configuration
[21:58] maushu: So, callbacks in vm.
[21:58] maushu: Yup, I'm doomed.
[22:01] maushu: If I run the callback in the vm again, it should lose the closure. Thats bad.
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[22:04] TooTallNate: ryah: can you think of a way to access the "global" object inside vm.runInNewContext?
[22:05] ryah: TooTallNate: this?
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[22:05] TooTallNate: nope, that *seems* to be just some random empty Object
[22:05] TooTallNate: might be a bug
[22:05] tjholowaychuk: ryah would you expect vm.runInNewContext('foo = "bar"; this').foo
[22:05] tjholowaychuk: to work?
[22:05] tjholowaychuk: actually in this case I can just return the one thing I need
[22:05] tjholowaychuk: but it does seem to be off
[22:06] ryah: tjholowaychuk: hmm. i dont use this API often so im not sure
[22:06] tjholowaychuk: me either
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[22:09] maushu: Any of you had luck with callbacks in vm? The only way I see is to put the whole api into the code that will be run.
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[22:42] Bonuspunkt: fs.mkdirSync(path, mode) <-- will this be changed in node 0.6? what should mode be set to at windows?
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[22:46] bnoordhuis: Bonuspunkt: doesn't matter, it's ignored
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[22:46] bnoordhuis: but for portability's sake you should probably set it to 0777
[22:47] Bonuspunkt: bnoordhuis should this be a default value?
[22:48] bnoordhuis: Bonuspunkt: i suppose it could be
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[22:48] bnoordhuis: i think it defaults to 0 now, which is probably not what you want
[22:49] Bonuspunkt: no it throws if mode is not supplied
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[22:57] CIA-109: node: 03Fedor Indutny 07master * r9ad27f7 10/ (doc/api/repl.markdown lib/_debugger.js lib/repl.js): 
[22:57] CIA-109: node: ignore undefined messages in the debugger repl
[22:57] CIA-109: node: fixes #1995 - http://git.io/5x3t4A
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[23:34] Rosa: holaa
[23:35] bnoordhuis: haloo!
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[23:35] bnoordhuis: Bonuspunkt: right, feel like opening an issue for that?
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[23:47] CIA-109: libuv: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * re1bee05 10/ (src/unix/stream.c src/unix/tty.c): 
[23:47] CIA-109: libuv: UNIX: Loop on blocking streams
[23:47] CIA-109: libuv: Also removes a superfluous syscall during uv_tty_init for writable TTY
[23:47] CIA-109: libuv: streams. - http://git.io/StRy_w
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[23:56] Kage: hey
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