[00:01] kenperkins: exciting (for me) update just shipped to clipboard.com :)
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[00:06] tjholowaychuk: kenperkins haha it's awesome
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[00:06] tjholowaychuk: playing around with it
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[00:09] ctide: kenperkins: if i try to hit invite friends, i get this: http://imageshar.es/4ea74f92dab47f33160002a9
[00:11] kenperkins: ctide interesting
[00:11] kenperkins: pm
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[00:16] lulzfish_4: I haven't used Node yet but I figured I would join here... what kind of discussion usually goes on?
[00:17] kenperkins: herr and durr
[00:17] kenperkins: ;) typically node.js dialog, npm, features and bugs, sites built with node
[00:18] lulzfish_4: npm?
[00:19] isaacs: lulzfish_4: the program manager for node
[00:19] isaacs: lulzfish_4: npmjs.org
[00:19] lulzfish_4: ah all right...
[00:19] isaacs: http://npmjs.org
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[00:19] lulzfish_4: Another language-oriented package manager... 
[00:19] isaacs: yep
[00:20] EyePulp: lulzfish_4: that's the size of it.
[00:20] isaacs: platform-oriented, to be more specific, i guess
[00:20] EyePulp: awesome-oriented.
[00:20] isaacs: but most of the time, language implies platform.  js is a bit weird in that it is a language that spans more than one platform.
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[00:22] lulzfish_4: It makes me wonder what Lua, Python, Ruby, and Node are all doing so different that they each have their own PM
[00:22] ryah: lulzfish_4: you should be wondering what the os is doing so wrong that it requires rewriting these things
[00:22] lulzfish_4: I can see why they don't use the system-level PM though, since they 
[00:22] lulzfish_4: yes exactly
[00:22] ryah: answer: sucking
[00:22] lulzfish_4: I was gonna say namespaces
[00:23] lulzfish_4: I guess you are right about platform
[00:23] SubStack: different languages need different package managers
[00:23] lulzfish_4: I won't need a Node-specific script for anything else in my system
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[00:23] EyePulp: finally rolling out our first sizable node project this week. 17,000 domains all pointing at a node app & redis for proxying with slight bits of page surgery.
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[00:23] SubStack: if node were using a non-node specific package manager it would suck
[00:23] lulzfish_4: 17,000 domains?
[00:23] EyePulp: si
[00:23] tjholowaychuk: jesus
[00:23] EyePulp: and shockingly, it's not even link farming.
[00:23] EyePulp: =)
[00:23] lulzfish_4: What is it
[00:24] lulzfish_4: (I am afraid to ask what a domain is, I am thinking domain names)
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[00:25] EyePulp: a corporate customer who has a lot of representatives with their own vanity domains. we take the corporate page and modify it slightly based on certain services the rep has bought, and display it through their domain.
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[00:25] lulzfish_4: Disturbing
[00:25] EyePulp: we manage the services and domains.
[00:25] tjholowaychuk: we have marketing crap through like 28
[00:25] tjholowaychuk: and i thought that was a lot
[00:25] tjholowaychuk: though im sure in the end that will just tank you seo-wise
[00:26] tjholowaychuk: it's pretty blatant and useless
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[00:26] EyePulp: These are actually all separate folks with their own businesses - there's no intent to promote the corporate customer in any significant way.
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[00:27] EyePulp: corporate just wants to make sure their pages are properly maintained (and controlled), and the reps don't generally want the headache of setting up their own stuff.
[00:27] lulzfish_4: Yeah you want to avoid headaches
[00:28] EyePulp: it's a relatively niche need, but it's worth the effort for a small company like ours to do.  It's just something our client didn't want to do.
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[00:29] lulzfish_4: How small is your company? Do they just do web stuff?
[00:29] EyePulp: we'd been on a python/django based system for a while, but a recent change on the corp backend made it a good time to consider a rebuild of the old system.
[00:30] EyePulp: We mainly do web apps.  Either one-off or as a service/subscription model
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[00:30] EyePulp: we're tiny.  I think we're under 10 full time at the moment.  mostly phone support/ order taking
[00:31] EyePulp: 3.5 devs
[00:31] EyePulp: =)
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[00:33] EyePulp: so thanks go to tjholowaychuk, and isaacs, and ryah, as their stuff underpins a lot of the new system I've been hacking together.
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[00:36] lulzfish_4: I'm just trying to learn more... The place I work at isn't going anywhere, but I have a decent Linux home network that I'm trying to grow, so I'm interested in anything that's easy to set up... Node looks very easy
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[00:36] lulzfish_4: But the Arch repos only have 0.4 so I'm waiting for it to build from git...
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[00:37] EyePulp: lulzfish_4: it's fun to build network services with it.
[00:39] niftylettuce: what package are most of you folks using for sending email?
[00:39] EyePulp: niftylettuce: http://www.nodemailer.org"
[00:40] voodootikigod_: tjholowaychuk: pretty sure you get this a lot, but will/when will express be 0.5.0/0.6.0 ready
[00:40] voodootikigod_: niftylettuce: postmark
[00:40] EyePulp: or at least I am.
[00:40] tjholowaychuk: voodootikigod_ should work now
[00:40] niftylettuce: tjholowaychuk: how bout you bro?
[00:40] tjholowaychuk: i haven't had time to test it thoroughly but it should work
[00:40] voodootikigod_: tjholowaychuk: how do I circumvent the npm limit?
[00:41] tjholowaychuk: voodootikigod_ it's not letting you install it?
[00:41] tjholowaychuk: i can
[00:41] tjholowaychuk: with 0.5.10
[00:41] voodootikigod_: oh
[00:41] voodootikigod_: "engines": { "node":">= 0.5.0 < 0.7.0" }
[00:41] voodootikigod_: you updated that
[00:41] voodootikigod_: ok
[00:41] isaacs: tjholowaychuk: npm install <pkg> --node-version <whatevs>
[00:41] isaacs: er, voodootikigod_ ^
[00:41] niftylettuce: voodootikigod_: this one? https://github.com/thinktree/node-postmark
[00:41] voodootikigod_: niftylettuce: i use my own cause I dogfood like that
[00:42] voodootikigod_: but any work
[00:42] voodootikigod_: and they handle all the hell of it
[00:42] niftylettuce: voodootikigod_: yah https://github.com/voodootikigod/postmark.js/tree/
[00:42] voodootikigod_: https://github.com/voodootikigod/postmark.js
[00:42] tjholowaychuk: niftylettuce we just use sendmail
[00:42] niftylettuce: I wonder how Amazon email stuff is vs. Sendgrid
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[00:42] voodootikigod_: yea I don't think think tree ever progressed it
[00:42] niftylettuce: yah i would just use sendmail or postfix but this is a very high volume
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[00:43] tjholowaychuk: niftylettuce plus with those services you can have fancy stats :D
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[00:43] niftylettuce: tjholowaychuk: yeah and investors like fancy stats
[00:43] niftylettuce: :P
[00:44] niftylettuce: the good ones don't see "fancy" though hehe
[00:44] voodootikigod_: haha
[00:44] voodootikigod_: i use postmark because it gets out of my way
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[00:44] voodootikigod_: to each their own
[00:45] voodootikigod_: ok up next on my "does it work with 0.5.0 is node-postgres"
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[00:46] isaacs: naming stuff is hard.
[00:47] tjholowaychuk: it is :(
[00:47] tjholowaychuk: im running out of names too
[00:48] isaacs: so... a tarball contains files, right?
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[00:48] tjholowaychuk: llabrat
[00:48] niftylettuce: EyePulp: how do you do DKIM with nodemailer
[00:48] isaacs: i'm expressing that as something like:  var p = new tar.Parser();  fs.createReadStream("file.tar").pipe(p); p.on("file", function (f) { ... })
[00:49] isaacs: so, f has header (stat-alike) info, like f.name, f.mtime, etc.  it's also a readable stream.
[00:49] EyePulp: at the moment I'm not.  I thought that was handled at your relay, anyhow… but I could be mistaken.
[00:49] isaacs: what should that class be called?  "File" seems too vague.
[00:49] prabs_: Hi im wonder if someone could kindly help me with running nodejs and nowjs
[00:49] isaacs: TarFile makes it sound like it's a representation of a tarball file itself.
[00:49] prabs_: I have installed nodejs on windows xp and tried to run demo app from nowjs but get error -> message: 'cannot find module \'node-proxy\'
[00:49] isaacs: ugh.  so annoying.
[00:49] prabs_: i have tried to install via npm install node-proxy but it doesn't do anything. under node_modules it doesn't get installed.
[00:50] prabs_: however i ran npm install socket.io and that installed fine (so i think)
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[00:50] isaacs: prabs_: go into your project dir, and run `npm ls`
[00:50] isaacs: that'll tell you what was installed.
[00:50] prabs_: ok going to do that now
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[00:53] prabs_: should i paste the info here?
[00:54] niftylettuce: prabs_: provide a Gist or Pastebin
[00:54] niftylettuce: prabs_: gist.github.com
[00:54] prabs_: it has now@0.7.5, node-uuid@1.2.0, socket.io@0.8.5 and a load of others but not node-proxy..
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[00:54] mape: Someone should build a service for crowdsourcing naming code stuff
[00:55] mape: whatshouldicall.it
[00:55] lulzfish_4: I am not opposed to using random numbers and just making it easier for users to assign names
[00:56] lulzfish_4: Then I can call Arora "Web Browser"
[00:56] prabs_: pastebin: http://pastebin.com/A0eCJ9GT
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[00:57] niftylettuce: mape: givemeaneffinname.com
[00:57] prabs_: sorry im a little new to IRC! sounds silly but its true. 
[00:57] tjholowaychuk: isaacs do you guys still strip those debug() calls?
[00:57] tjholowaychuk: or just noop?
[00:57] mape: niftylettuce: could just hook it into yahoo! answers, should work perfectly
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[00:58] niftylettuce: mape: why not just stackoverflow but for names? nameoverflow
[00:58] isaacs: tjholowaychuk: i think there's a compilation step with some python thingie
[00:58] lulzfish_4: or nameunderflow
[00:58] isaacs: ryah, bnoordhuis: you know offhand where the debug() calls get stripped?
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[00:58] prabs_: UNMET DEPENDENCY node-proxy >= 0.4.0
[00:58] tjholowaychuk: i remember someone saying the overhead was next to nothing so i wasnt sure if they were even stripped now
[00:58] isaacs: niftylettuce: we'll never be able to launch it.
[00:58] bnoordhuis: isaacs: i don't think we do any more
[00:58] isaacs: niftylettuce: what would you call that?
[00:59] mape: damit :/
[00:59] niftylettuce: niftylettuce: call what? not being able to launch a start-up?
[00:59] mape: isaacs: "undefined" ?
[00:59] niftylettuce: um, i just messaged myself
[00:59] niftylettuce: isaacs: : call what? not being able to launch a start-up?
[01:00] isaacs: niftylettuce: i mean, what would you call the stack overflow for names?
[01:00] isaacs: niftylettuce: you can't launch it until you figure out what to call it
[01:00] mape: or just set up the server and have people change their hosts file and point to the ip
[01:00] isaacs: 
ACTION is making a joke, unsuccessfully.

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[01:01] niftylettuce: 
ACTION in the voice of narrator from Bikini Bottom, *five hours laterrr* niftylettuce: "I get it!"

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[01:11] prabs_: while installing node-proxy i get the following (http://pastebin.com/PyisEzCR) im running nodejs on using windows xp.  does anybody have a solution please?
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[01:19] prabs_: anyone?
[01:19] guybrush: bwahaha http://twitter.com/#!/izs/statuses/128581917820977152 made my day
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[01:20] guybrush: i kind of liked pear though :>
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[01:22] prabs_: anyone received and fixed -> UNMET DEPENDENCY node-proxy >= 0.4.0
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[01:22] niftylettuce: prabs_: thats tellin you you gotta do an `npm install node-proxy`
[01:23] niftylettuce: prabs_: or your version of node-proxy is not matching up to the property value for node-proxy in `package.json`
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[01:25] prabs_: i tried npm install node-proxy -> http://pastebin.com/PyisEzCR but it says  somewhere on there 'This most likely a problem with node-proxy package'.. however im pretty certain many others have been able to install without problems
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[01:29] runvnc: hello
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[01:29] runvnc: Anyone here ever have any problems with jasmine-node? All I can get it to say is 0 tests, 0 success, 0 failures or whatever.. never seems to run my whatever.spec.js stuff
[01:29] prabs_: thanks for your help niftylettuce.. im still puzzled.. the errors found when installing look pretty drastic.execvp(): No such file or directory etc..
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[01:30] niftylettuce: prabs_: perhaps your node version, perhaps you shouldn't be using Windows XP ....
[01:30] niftylettuce: prabs_: you could always run Virtual PC and launch into Ubuntu and have it set up in minutes :)
[01:31] tbranyen: pffft windows xp is only like 10 years old
[01:31] tbranyen: thats fine!
[01:31] niftylettuce: tbranyen: i use XP for testing IE6-8, then win7 for ie9
[01:31] tbranyen: i used windows 2000 to get the real iexperience
[01:32] runvnc: nevermind I needed to npm install test
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[01:33] prabs_: yes i think thats probably a safe idea... oh cmon winbashing  really.. its not all that bad. ive survived with it up until now. But yes for working with node and npm has stumped me today. I always like to think 'there must be a way'
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[01:33] runvnc: actually its still ignoring my file wtf
[01:34] prabs_: i have got other node examples running
[01:34] prabs_: just this node-proxy is causing a headache
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[01:36] user____: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djv0lS96_gI
[01:36] prabs_: niftylettuce your advice is probably best and im going to give it a go now, if however there is windows solution would appreciate that also
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[01:47] niftylettuce: prabs_: i strongly encourage you to develop using a *nix system such as Ubuntu or Mac
[01:47] niftylettuce: at least trying wont hurt
[01:47] zikes: is there an express middleware module that will let me pass the session id as a GET or POST parameter?
[01:48] niftylettuce: zikes: why would you want to do that? and you could just use express-params
[01:48] niftylettuce: zikes: e.g. your route app.get('/mypath/:session_id', function(req,res,next) {});
[01:49] niftylettuce: zikes: you might want to ask in #express
[01:49] zikes: niftylettuce: makes things easier with the API I'm working on
[01:49] zikes: niftylettuce: I'll try that, thanks
[01:50] niftylettuce: zikes: you could hash it and then have a req.session.salt to decrypt if security is highly valued or something
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[01:50] mrchess: anyone know if node orms are reliable
[01:50] mrchess: *ORMs
[01:50] chilts: Object Relational Mappers?
[01:51] prabs_: thanks nifty
[01:51] mrchess: yeah
[01:51] mrchess: was wondering if anyone was using an ORM in production
[01:51] zikes: niftylettuce: the idea is that it would be passed as a consistent "ticket" parameter either as GET or POST, and be automatically picked up by the session middleware before it reaches routing
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[01:51] niftylettuce: zikes: why do you need to have it as a GET/POST
[01:52] zikes: niftylettuce: thinking I could stick some middleware between cookieParser and session to accomplish it, but hoping someone else has had the same idea
[01:52] niftylettuce: zikes: if its a session ID, you can simply just use req.session._id or something
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[01:52] niftylettuce: zikes: seems like overkill for something that is accessible on every route
[01:52] ttpva: In Mongoose, I'm not being able to get the embedded document as an object, only as an array. Is it supposed to be that way?
[01:52] zikes: niftylettuce: because the session ID comes from the cookie, and I don't want my public-facing API to require Cookie spoofing headers
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[01:55] zikes: niftylettuce: my hope is to accomplish this before the session middleware is reached so there isn't a bunch of unnecessary session.get attempts and session.generates
[01:55] niftylettuce: zikes: since it is #express related, ask this question in #express
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[01:56] zikes: niftylettuce: doing so, thanks
[01:56] niftylettuce: zikes: but to answer your original question directly, express-params will allow you to send params in the GET/POST URL
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[02:00] runvnc: hm. jasmine-node wants your files to end in Spec.js not Specs.js .. took me an hour at least to realize I had an extra s on there
[02:00] runvnc: because I am a genius and pay attention to details. my mind is like a razor.  that I should have tossed two months ago
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[02:04] EyePulp: 
ACTION has those days… weeks

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[02:10] cnnr: if i'm digging into and customizing a package i found on npm, how can i tell node to use my local package instead of the one i installed via npm? i know there's a `link` command, but i'm not quite sure how to use that.
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[02:14] runvnc: Did you install the other one with npm -g ?
[02:14] runvnc: if not if you put the local package in ./node_modules
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[02:14] runvnc: I thought it would use that one 
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[02:15] runvnc: like whatever module or wherever you js is make another node_modules
[02:15] cnnr: yes i installed it with -g
[02:15] runvnc: can you uninstall the global one
[02:16] cnnr: yes - just uninstalled and reinstalled without the global flag
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[02:18] runvnc: For real 0.5.10? last time I tried .5.9 pretty much nothing worked
[02:18] runvnc: but I guess it will stay that way unless you try to make people use it
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[02:22] Nuck: Oh my god there once was a time when SubStack wasn't #1 on NPM top o_O
[02:22] Nuck: Weird thought.
[02:23] Nuck: Oddly, his percent hasn't changed much since writing npmtop to toda
[02:23] Nuck: 1.74% then, 1.76% now
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[02:25] marcello3d: anyone here on 0.5.10?
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[02:25] EyePulp: All users should be using 0.5.10 now.
[02:26] marcello3d: mongodb seems to have stopped connecting from .5.9 -> .5.10
[02:26] marcello3d: I'm getting Error: connect ECONNREFUSED
[02:26] marcello3d: but I can connect to the server with mongohub
[02:26] EyePulp: is your mongo service running?
[02:26] EyePulp: ah
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[02:27] marcello3d: guess I'll rebuild 0.5.9 and see if that's actually the problem
[02:27] thompson: thre is an e commerce app written in node.js?
[02:28] EyePulp: thompson: as a production site?
[02:29] thompson: just a project, like calypso cms
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[02:31] EyePulp: thompson: not that I've heard of.  node's doesn't really have what I'd call a rails/django level platform on top of it at this point, or not with as much polish.  It tends towards bare-metal services underneath...
[02:32] EyePulp: (just my opinion…)
[02:32] tbranyen: yeah thats a good thing
[02:32] tbranyen: i like where node is compared to django/rails
[02:33] EyePulp: sure - we'll still use django for a lot of frontend web app work, and tie it to postgres/mongo, but then for API and services such as chat, we'll be on node.
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[02:36] marcello3d: ok. it's definitely 0.5.10's fault
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[02:36] marcello3d: just reinstalled 0.5.9 and it connects again
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[02:52] Corren: hey hey
[02:53] chilts: 
ACTION downloads Node v0.5.10

[02:53] chilts: about time I left the 0.4 series :)
[02:54] kenperkins: i can't change until it's stable :S
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[02:55] lgm: hello!
[02:55] chilts: I decided it's almost stable :)
[02:55] lgm: does anyone use node under emacs?
[02:55] chilts: 
ACTION uses emacs to write JavaScript

[02:55] chilts: but I don't _run_ node under emacs
[02:55] chilts: I use a shell for that
[02:56] lgm: if i run node in a comint shell it exits immediately
[02:56] lgm: there is a js-comint.el
[02:56] lgm: which indicates that not all peeps have this particular woe
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[02:56] lgm: when i use js-comint.el it suffers the same fate as a regular comint shell
[02:57] lgm: &GT;
[02:57] lgm: Process js finished
[02:58] kenperkins: I'm using phpStorm for my IDE
[02:58] kenperkins: i have to say
[02:58] kenperkins: I kind of like it
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[03:06] lgm: i'm a died-in-the-wool emaxian
[03:06] gkatsev: intellij makes the best IDEs
[03:06] gkatsev: er...
[03:07] gkatsev: jetbrains makes the best IDEs
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[03:07] lgm: i just want to engage node in interactive mode in a way that i have edit capability in the window visiting the process
[03:08] lgm: emacs is better than a terminal
[03:08] gkatsev: vim can do that :P
[03:08] lgm: fortunately, i remain blissfully ignorant of vim
[03:08] gkatsev: heh
[03:08] gkatsev: actually, I don't really have a problem with emacs
[03:08] gkatsev: other than just taking jabs at it for fun.
[03:09] gkatsev: I've tried to use it and I find myself being able to edit text much more quickly with vim
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[03:09] gkatsev: so, I use that
[03:09] enmand: Yuck
[03:09] enmand: I actually opened emacs up today
[03:09] gkatsev: if you are using vim or emacs you are ahead of the curve :)
[03:09] enmand: I took all of 5 minutes for me to run back to bim
[03:09] enmand: vim
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[03:09] gkatsev: enmand: I've tried using it for a month
[03:10] gkatsev: a lot of my friends are in the church
[03:10] enmand: Ouch. That must have been painful
[03:10] gkatsev: wasn't terrible
[03:10] enmand: Heh
[03:10] gkatsev: but the decision trees are too wide
[03:10] enmand: I love vim
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[03:10] gkatsev: yeah
[03:10] gkatsev: I've been a vim user for the past 4.5 years
[03:10] gkatsev: (also a vimperator user)
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[03:11] enmand: I've heard of vimperator, but I've never actually used it
[03:11] Draggor: vimperator?
[03:12] enmand: It's a FF addon, to give it some vim-like functionality
[03:12] gkatsev: it allows you to use firefox in a modal vim-like way
[03:12] enmand: 
ACTION finds link

[03:12] gkatsev: vimperator.org
[03:12] enmand: Yeah
[03:12] enmand: What he said
[03:12] Draggor: oooh
[03:12] Draggor: well that's just downright sexy
[03:13] gkatsev: there's also the unfortunate fork pentadactyl
[03:13] lgm: well... if an emaxian goes come along send them my way
[03:13] lgm: i'm looking for what i believe to be a simple solution
[03:13] gkatsev: there is conkeror for emacs
[03:13] gkatsev: and keysnail or w/e it is called.
[03:14] gkatsev: there's also an IRC channel for vimperator. #vimperator 
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[03:30] MooGoo: whats unfortunate about it
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[03:52] CIA-48: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r3e4af53 10/ (include/uv-private/uv-unix.h src/unix/sunos.c): sunos: implement file watcher API - http://git.io/fGxA9Q
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[04:06] kenperkins: slow night
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[04:11] dhasenan_: Wasn't there a brief attempt at node-gtk?
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[04:16] lulzfish_4: To what end?
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[04:31] zmbmartin: anyone that has worked with vhosts in express that can shed some light for me?
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[04:39] newb2: are there any decent form generators/scaffolding for mongoose out there?
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[04:46] zmbmartin: Anyone know why I can get vhosts to work with express when using localhost or 127.0.0.1 but when I try to add a custom domain.local to /etc/hosts then use that it does not work?
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[05:01] CIA-48: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * rd7dff34 10/ tools/gyp/pylib/gyp/generator/make.py : 
[05:01] CIA-48: node: gyp: support older bash versions
[05:01] CIA-48: node: Older bash versions in `sh -c` mode don't parse `export FOO=42` constructs,
[05:01] CIA-48: node: they bail out with a "FOO is not an identifier" error message.
[05:01] CIA-48: node: This was fixed somewhere between bash 4.1.0 and 4.1.5 but let's support the
[05:01] CIA-48: node: older versions anyway. - http://git.io/E4z28Q
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[05:02] bnoordhuis: ^ fedora 11 users rejoice!
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[05:07] secoif: SubStack loving the podcast, keep it up
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[05:12] CIA-48: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r15628f6 10/ src/platform_sunos.cc : 
[05:12] CIA-48: node: sunos: don't use exceptions
[05:12] CIA-48: node: Don't use exceptions in platform functions. Fix a resource leak
[05:12] CIA-48: node: (leaked kstat handle) while we're at it. - http://git.io/RcBeQg
[05:12] CIA-48: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r13871fa 10/ node.gyp : build: fix sunos gyp build, include platform file - http://git.io/fGytnA
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[05:15] deoxxombie: how do i add a path to require so it'll be used in included modules as well?
[05:16] deoxxombie: i want to have a "lib" directory in my root application with various components in it
[05:16] kenperkins: var foo = require('path/to/something');
[05:17] deoxxombie: then i want anything require()'d into the application to be able to do require("foo") and recieve the correct object if there's a "foo" module in the lib directory
[05:18] deoxxombie: giving them the relative location of the file from its own location isn't an option in this case, the required components could be anywhere
[05:18] bnoordhuis: deoxxombie: $project_dir/node_modules or $NODE_PATH?
[05:18] kenperkins: that too
[05:18] deoxxombie: hm, i tried with node_modules, still doesn't work
[05:19] deoxxombie: basically it looks like this:
[05:19] deoxxombie: ./software/application/app.js ./config/application/config.js
[05:19] deoxxombie: ./software/application is a git submodule
[05:20] deoxxombie: config.js is require()d into the application (i.e. require(process.argv[2]))
[05:20] deoxxombie: i want require() calls in config.js to be able to reach ./config/application/node_modules
[05:21] deoxxombie: note that it works fine if config.js is at ./software/application/config.js
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[05:35] dexter_e: require("")  is a syncronous operation right?
[05:36] deoxxombie: yep
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[05:37] dexter_e: I would like to make a dynamically parameterized require()     Is this not recommened?
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[05:43] konobi: dexter_e: require() is one shot
[05:43] dexter_e: konobi:  one shot? 
[05:44] dexter_e: you mean from a garbage collection perspective?
[05:44] konobi: once you call require() on a module, you'll get a cached version back whenever you call it again
[05:44] lulzfish_4: idempotent?
[05:45] dexter_e: indempotent = denoting an element of a set that is unchanged in value when multiplied or otherwise operated on by itself.  
[05:47] dexter_e: lulzfish_4: I would imagine the answer is Yes
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[05:48] dexter_e: Do you mean if the loaded module represents state of some kind which changes based on context in the application right?
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[05:50] kenperkins: who's using mixpanel
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[06:15] Emmanuel`: kenperkins: I tried it few months ago
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[06:28] eddyb: this is fun
[06:28] eddyb:     #define NODE_DEFINE_CONSTANT(target, constant) exports[#constant] = constant;
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[06:32] eddyb: this is so good
[06:32] eddyb: I'm copying files from node and getting them working
[06:32] eddyb: I hope I'm good on the license side
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[06:42] bnoordhuis: eddyb: node's mit licensed so as long as you attribute, you're good
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[06:42] bnoordhuis: unless that was some subtle irony that's going over my head
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[06:43] bnoordhuis: it's 8 am here so don't expect too much
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[06:45] kenperkins: where's that? scandinavia?
[06:45] astropirate: Africa
[06:45] astropirate: western africa
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[06:46] `3rdEden: bnoordhuis pff it's almost 9 ;)
[06:47] bnoordhuis: `3rdEden: even worse, i haven't slept yet
[06:48] eddyb: bnoordhuis: ohai
[06:48] eddyb: #gearbox
[06:48] eddyb: or https://github.com/eddyb/gearbox-node
[06:48] eddyb: I think I commited the new license
[06:48] kenperkins: <3 monoprice
[06:48] purr: Let it be known that kenperkins hearts monoprice.
[06:49] kenperkins: mini displayport to displayport for $6 delivered
[06:49] `3rdEden: bnoordhuis pfff :p
[06:49] kenperkins: haha
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[06:49] eddyb: bnoordhuis: files I reused from node and I had to modify look like this: http://pastebin.com/VCaXMJSW
[06:49] kenperkins: not my bot, fyi
[06:49] bnoordhuis: kenperkins: no, it's elliottcable's
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[06:50] kenperkins: just making sure I wasn't going to be kicked next :D
[06:50] eddyb: bnoordhuis: also tried to not make things stupid, I copied node's LICENSE, modified to suit me, and added the original just for good measure
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[06:51] eddyb: better get back to code, licensing can make my head spin around
[06:51] kenperkins: i need to instrument our whole UI :S
[06:51] kenperkins: not enough information
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[06:52] kenperkins: didn't you say 938 won't make it back to 4.x bnoordhuis
[06:53] bnoordhuis: kenperkins: yes, no more 0.4.x releases
[06:53] kenperkins: stable is still aways off tho eh?
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[06:53] bnoordhuis: kenperkins: we'll probably put out 0.6 this week
[06:54] eddyb: yeeee
[06:54] eddyb: maybe I can launch gearbox-node at the same time
[06:54] kenperkins: will 6 be "stable" immediatley tho?
[06:54] eddyb: kenperkins: I'd say 5 becomes stable or something
[06:54] bnoordhuis: kenperkins: stable api: for sure. stable implementation: probably
[06:55] kenperkins: I've got a production site to run here ;)
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[06:55] bnoordhuis: if you check out the current master, you'll have a pretty good idea of what 0.6's going to look like
[06:55] kenperkins: have I shamelessly offered you a clipboard invite yet bnoordhuis
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[06:55] kenperkins: yea, I've been following
[06:56] bnoordhuis: kenperkins: you haven't - but i confess i'm web 2.0 incompatible
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[06:56] kenperkins: :(
[06:56] bnoordhuis: i still think <table> is the greatest thing since sliced corn bread
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[06:57] bnoordhuis: and what's this javascript people keep jabbering about?
[06:57] eddyb: ?
[06:57] kenperkins: btw, is there a reason there's no commit with 938? or did it magically go away
[06:57] kenperkins: http://www.clipboard.com/clip/LQzGSFACU1p5gxfVwL7j9uKP7CGO5jRA9uXe
[06:58] bnoordhuis: kenperkins: i usually put the commit in my comments
[06:58] martin_sunset: Hey kenperkins: just a quick FYI: we are going to create an oauth2 provider for passport in the next one or two weeks, let me know if you or your colleges need specific features
[06:58] bnoordhuis: but in this case it was fixed in a number of commits
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[06:58] kenperkins: passport as in MSFT's password?
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[06:58] martin_sunset: kenperkins: Haha
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[06:58] kenperkins: :)
[06:59] bnoordhuis: i admit clipboard looks sexy
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[06:59] bnoordhuis: when i disable noscript, that is
[06:59] martin_sunset: kenperkins: The new login solution announced yesterday for node. One sec
[06:59] kenperkins: :(
[06:59] eddyb: omg it does
[06:59] eddyb: clipboard, that is
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[07:00] martin_sunset: kenperkins: https://github.com/jaredhanson/passport
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[07:01] Jinmo: hmm..... cygwin make was not solution for npm!! gnuwin32 was solution! omg my iconv
[07:01] isaacs: Jinmo: cygwin is history, man.
[07:01] isaacs: Jinmo: use windows native
[07:01] isaacs: it's the future
[07:01] Jinmo: not node.js
[07:01] Jinmo: i'm going to use node-iconv
[07:01] isaacs: oh, ok
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[07:01] isaacs: dunno about that :)
[07:02] bnoordhuis: i hear good things about node-iconv
[07:02] kenperkins: martin_sunset: doesn't OAuth use hmac?
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[07:02] Jinmo: i'm building that
[07:02] Jinmo: (iconv)
[07:02] shanebo: SubStack, looks like browserling is having trouble resolving
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[07:09] martin_sunset: kenperkins: Good question. Haven't found any reference in the latest draft (22) of oauth2. 
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[07:10] kenperkins: we're currently heavily hmac based for our api
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[07:12] martin_sunset: kenperkins: Seems that the protocol is pretty open which encryption to use. But I am only an oauth2 user so far, haven't developed a provider yet ( and I am going to look into what's out there first)
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[07:14] SubStack: shanebo: works ok for me
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[07:15] shanebo: SubStack, mine keeps pinging "Contacting "browserling.com" "Loading "browserling.com"", completed 0 of 4
[07:15] shanebo: and then it gets to 1 and refreshes
[07:15] shanebo: it's going berserk 
[07:16] SubStack: !
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[07:16] SubStack: shanebo: no idea, I just tried in chrome and ff with no problems
[07:16] SubStack: logged in and not
[07:17] shanebo: visiting in chrome works for me
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[07:17] kenperkins: martin_sunset: tbh, I'm a bit out the loop on our auth
[07:17] shanebo: safari is jacked though
[07:17] shanebo: SubStack, think it's a cookie issue?
[07:17] kenperkins: i do more general node, ux, client js, and all of our puppet (ugh)
[07:18] martin_sunset: kenperkins: lucky you, this auth thing is such a pita
[07:18] dvf: hi everybody I have a question about upgrading to v0.5.10
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[07:19] martin_sunset: kenperkins: Btw, the requests are not signed with hmac in oauth2 , I think that is what you meant. Instead te token is as a secret
[07:20] martin_sunset: Is used as the secret
[07:20] kenperkins: i see
[07:20] martin_sunset: Hence https transport as a requirement
[07:20] kenperkins: yea
[07:20] kenperkins: we do some fun stuff to get a users secret to them over https but make it available to http javascript for signing
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[07:21] dvf: I git pulled v0.5.10 and then configure(d) make and make(d) install(ed) but then 'node -v' returns v0.4.1
[07:21] martin_sunset: kenperkins: I am definitely going to talk to your colleague about that, for our scenario we need similar capabilities like you
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[07:22] kenperkins: I actually wrote that code :P
[07:22] kenperkins: (how we get the secret to http)
[07:23] simenbrekken: anyone running 0.5 in production yet? Really keen on that zlib binding :>
[07:23] martin_sunset: kenperkins: Good to know..:)
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[07:38] eddyb:   int mode = static_cast<int>(args[2]->Int32Value());
[07:38] eddyb: that looks wrong
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[07:43] lmatteis: any good library to help with test-driven development?
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[07:55] chocl: hello world
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[07:57] chocl: hi all
[07:57] chocl: any live?
[07:57] davv3: no
[07:58] chocl: god
[07:58] martin_sunset: lmatteis: Vowsjs.org
[07:59] chocl: where are you from
[07:59] Corren: man these are some great clips: http://www.clipboard.com/tag/recipe
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[07:59] chocl: what is that
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[08:02] Corren: chocl: my app built on node
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[08:03] chocl: which site? url PLS
[08:03] Corren: www.clipboard.com
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[08:05] chocl: why u use node? save dev time?
[08:05] davidbanham: Guys I am battling with expresso. Can't even get started. Can anyone point out what I'm doing wrong?
[08:05] davidbanham: https://gist.github.com/1315746
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[08:11] xavieralexander: anyone played around with http://nodetuts.com/ looking for some good tuts
[08:12] [AD]Turbo: hi there
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[08:13] stagas: Corren: nice logo!
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[08:19] Corren: stagas: thanks!
[08:21] stagas: Corren: it could use avatar icons in the list view
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[08:21] Corren: we're on it :D
[08:21] Corren: so many features have been requested
[08:21] Corren: it's kind of hard to keep up
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[08:31] konobi: bnoordhuis: issue 1943... that errno is failure to load DLL, iirc
[08:32] eddyb: __doc__ is a bot?
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[08:32] eddyb: __doc__: !help
[08:32] __doc__: eddyb: at your service
[08:32] eddyb: that's no bot :P
[08:32] __doc__: eddyb: I'm a bot
[08:33] eddyb: __doc__: !eval e^(i*pi)
[08:33] __doc__: eddyb: -1
[08:34] eddyb: __doc__: !eval 7/9
[08:34] eddyb: this is fun
[08:34] eddyb: __doc__: you using google or a dedicated calculator?
[08:34] __doc__: eddyb: 0.7 period
[08:34] __doc__: eddyb: google
[08:34] __doc__: 
ACTION was surprised about it resolving that formula too

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[08:35] __doc__: wolfram should probably look out for google :)
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[08:38] xerox: whoa
[08:38] xerox: when was the topic set?
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[08:39] pransalad: Topic set by ryah [~ry@tinyclouds.org] [Mon Oct 24 21:57:15 2011]
[08:39] pransalad: (cet)
[08:39] xerox: so two days ago
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[08:40] konobi: before that it was a link to the wiki with a list of all the changes between 0.4.x and 0.6.x
[08:41] xerox: I had undervalued the importance of the topic
[08:41] pransalad: i thinke veryone does that on irc :)
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[08:53] jetienne_: __doc__: having fun ? :)
[08:54] __doc__: jetienne_: jep, watching the daily show
[08:54] jetienne_: __doc__: a good one
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[08:56] __doc__: the first rule about right club, don't talk about right club. The second rule of right club, make sure the duck consents ^^
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[09:03] garrensmith: anyone tried out hubot yet?
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[09:14] Bonuspunkt: what happend to node --eval ? is it removed?
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[09:43] niftylettuce: yo any mongoose or mongo users lend me a hand, how might i achieve this? https://gist.github.com/ecf6e61fcec21b8dfc96
[09:43] niftylettuce: nvm, I'll just use a Boolean to set the main value t/f
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[10:32] lzskiss: aloha
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[10:33] lzskiss: can i run the node.js on this ARMBlock16?
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[10:57] danielss89: Hi.. i have my php application which has users in mysql. Now if i f.x want the users to be able to chat witch each other i need some way of identifying a user. so i need to print the username and password on each page so that i can send it as a request to node.js server and login there too.. But then a thief can just open the source and see the password and username.. How would i go around this?
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[11:04] hipsterslapfight: danielss89: use SSL and post the username and password to a route node is watching?
[11:04] Glenjamin: rely on the session
[11:04] danielss89: ok route
[11:04] danielss89: ok session :D
[11:04] hipsterslapfight: also dont pass around passwords in plain text
[11:04] danielss89: so that node.js reads the php session
[11:04] Glenjamin: get node to read PHP's session in some way, or have the login code also create a session in node
[11:04] danielss89: ok..
[11:04] hipsterslapfight: Glenjamin's way is much cleaner than mine
[11:05] danielss89: ok.. i still don't quite understand how to identify a user in node.js like if i want to send a message to a specific user..
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[11:05] danielss89: any good reading on this?
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[11:21] dexter_e: Is there a good recommended way to monitor Node "from the inside"  ? 
[11:22] dexter_e: Event with Monit and Supervisor or Forever. etc. sometimes there are still cases when it goes down and stays down for up to 30 seconds if the crash happens between Monit checks.
[11:22] dexter_e: Is there a way to restart it instantly if it becomes unresponsive ?
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[11:28] dexter_e: I'm running Node with Upstart and Monit configured to check every 60 seconds. 
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[11:29] dexter_e: Sometimes the process becomes unresponsive and it takes up to 59 seconds for monit to catch that. 
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[11:30] dexter_e: Is it possible to use the event loop to efficiently have node monitor itself?
[11:30] dexter_e: A child process or something?
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[12:11] wtfcoder: in my project i have a dependency on node-aqmp, however I want npm to pull the latest git HEAD of this as an update on 19th fixes an issue for me, how can I configure npm to get the git head 
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[12:51] fairwinds: Don't see that npmjs.org provides any stats for number of downloads for each package. That would be a nice addition.
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[13:18] danielss89: hmm i've just tried the web server script on the node.js website.. right above res.end('Hello World\n'); i've added console.log('connection'); but when i call the page in my web browser it logs "connection" two times?
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[13:19] Glenjamin: your browser requests a favicon
[13:19] Glenjamin: try outputting req.url
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[13:20] dexter_e: good call
[13:20] Glenjamin: comes up quite often :D
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[13:22] danielss89: :P
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[13:38] martin_sunset: Does anyone have a great example of an API wrapper around a restful API? I am writing one right now and I am not sure if I should keep the interface flat ( eg one client object) or use a more hierarchical approach. Thoughts welcome
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[13:39] technoweenie: hey is the npm db gone?
[13:39] technoweenie: http://search.npmjs.org/#/_browse/all
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[13:40] deedubs: search still seems to work
[13:40] technoweenie: as in, you see packages?
[13:40] deedubs: not in browse
[13:40] martin_sunset: technoweenie: Search works for me, it your link does not
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[13:41] technoweenie: oh, ok
[13:41] technoweenie: our package was removed from npm, thats weird
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[13:42] technoweenie: oh well, we'll distribute hubot through tarballs i guess
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[13:43] hipsterslapfight: hmm, that was one of the guys that works at github wasn't it
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[13:44] deedubs: indeed
[13:46] ashb: curious - my last release of markdown to NPM has mysteriously been reversed...
[13:46] deedubs: wonder if the db was restored from a backup
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[13:56] wankdanker: i swore that i saw an updated version of a package on npm last night but its not there today. thought i was going more crazy
[13:56] AAA_awright__: wankdanker: How about Git?
[13:57] AAA_awright__: Bah
[13:57] AAA_awright: wankdanker: How about Git?
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[13:58] tomb: did the npmjs registry db die or something, and get restored with an older version?
[13:58] wankdanker: AAA_awright:  I do not understand your question. :-/
[13:58] AAA_awright: wankdanker: Git repositories like on Github is the place to be following packages
[13:58] AAA_awright: Did you check there?
[13:58] wankdanker: oh yeah, it's updated there.
[13:58] AAA_awright: Huh
[13:59] wankdanker: i can clone it from there for sure, just trying to get in the habbit of using npm.
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[13:59] wankdanker: and using npm to install from the git repo is failing when unpacking. 
[14:00] AAA_awright: wankdanker: I'd suggest using Git exclusively
[14:01] wankdanker: AAA_awright: yeah. will do that. thanks
[14:01] AAA_awright: Please please, package maintainers, provide Git URLs for your package dependencies :p
[14:02] deedubs: AAA_awright: don't you just use git submodules?
[14:02] AAA_awright: For my applications yeah
[14:02] Aikar: I prefer my approach
[14:02] Aikar: put EVERY dependency in your source tree
[14:03] Aikar: when you checkout a repo, you have everything
[14:03] Aikar: dont have to worry about third parties being online
[14:03] Aikar: others dont need npm, etc
[14:03] Aikar: keep track of how your deps are changing
[14:03] AAA_awright: You could, but repos aren't supposed to have everything
[14:03] Aikar: its just text
[14:03] AAA_awright: If you have modified 3rd party libraries sure
[14:03] Aikar: node does the same thing im talking about :P
[14:04] Aikar: v8 and uv are "bundled"
[14:04] AAA_awright: But throwing in yuicompressor.jar into youre repository, yeah no
[14:04] AAA_awright: *your
[14:04] Aikar: its stupid to checkout a project from your local VCS, but then fail due to a third party being down
[14:04] AAA_awright: Aikar: I mirror those repositories personally
[14:04] deedubs: who has local VCS
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[14:05] Aikar: deedubs: smart people :P i git push to my server and github so my codes in multiple places
[14:05] AAA_awright: If you use GitHub, it's all "local"
[14:05] Aikar: specifying multiple git push urls for a single "origin" ftw
[14:05] wtfcoder: puting yuicompreessor.jar in the repo under /deps in the correct approach, but dont put the JRE 
[14:05] AAA_awright: That is a pretty win feature
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[14:05] AAA_awright: wtfcoder: Why? I'd really prefer not
[14:06] Aikar: AAA_awright: why? worried about HDD space?
[14:06] AAA_awright: The reasoning is if your libraries have their own 3rd party dependencies, you don't want to replicate that
[14:06] Aikar: storage is so cheap
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[14:07] Aikar: i enjoy the fact I can clone once, and have a mostly ready checkout (barring a possible make to compile binaries which are gitignored)
[14:07] AAA_awright: Aikar: Not for replication, but for source code management, if you awnt to fork the library, you only want to manage the fork once
[14:07] wtfcoder: depends how you use yuicompressor is part of our deployment and even dev-staging so its versioned along with everything else, avoids the works on my machine crap. if you wanted to be superstart ott engineer you could create a git repo put yui-compressor in it and give its own package.json and include that git repo in your projects package.json deps
[14:07] Aikar: and then restore to a previous version, and also have the deps at that previous version too
[14:07] AAA_awright: I don't want to have to propogate the changes out to all the repositories, that's unnecessary
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[14:08] AAA_awright: Just update the one submodule checked out in one location
[14:08] Aikar: AAA_awright: why? what if one of your projects isnt ready to support the new version
[14:08] Aikar: for reliability, you want that
[14:08] Aikar: your SCM system at a specific revision should be the EXACT code you have tested
[14:08] AAA_awright: That's what submodules are for
[14:08] AAA_awright: So you have exactly one revision checked out
[14:09] Aikar: thats fine, if you use submodules for your own local repos you avoid the 3rd party dependency
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[14:09] Aikar: but people tend to just point it at the upstream
[14:09] Aikar: if your using other peoples libs, i say you should bundle. if your using your own libs, then fine use submodules pointing to your own local network repos
[14:10] wtfcoder: a guy i known did that, submodules for everything that we didnt really need to version seperately, was a right PITA
[14:10] Aikar: i personally just bundle those too
[14:10] AAA_awright: the "subtree" method, pointing to a tree instead of a commit, is significantly less flexible
[14:10] AAA_awright: That's my point
[14:10] Aikar: though i guess my loathe for external repos comes from svn externals... those fucking suck so bad and make updates so slow
[14:10] AAA_awright: You can choose to check out a subcommit or not
[14:11] AAA_awright: You don't really have an option if it's a subtree
[14:11] AAA_awright: That's fine for projects like Node.js
[14:11] AAA_awright: But for most programming and modules/libraries, no
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[14:11] Aikar: what do you mean a tree instea of a commit?
[14:11] AAA_awright: A Git tree
[14:11] AAA_awright: (a directory)
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[14:12] tbranyen: commits contain a tree that represents the entire state of the repo at that commit
[14:12] Aikar: i dont include the sub modules .git dir 
[14:12] AAA_awright: Uh, that's not part of the repository by definition anyways
[14:12] Aikar: i bundle my packages as if you didnt even know it was hosted in another repo
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[14:13] Aikar: https://github.com/aikar/nope/tree/master/node_modules
[14:14] Aikar: with my design, you can simply download the tarball and place the contents in node_modules and its usable
[14:14] enmand: How can I emit events from a C++ module in NodeJS -- I've read the C++ EventEmmiter class is deprecated?
[14:14] AAA_awright: Aikar: I wouldn't be loading trees into node_modules, that's about as bad as npm
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[14:15] AAA_awright: submodules, i.e. commits inside node_modules, makes things significantly more flexible
[14:15] Aikar: thats your opinion, I consider this approach easier to people who use my modules :P
[14:15] bnoordhuis: enmand: https://github.com/bnoordhuis/node-event-emitter - but preferably you'd use MakeCallback()
[14:15] Aikar: gives them more options for using the code
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[14:15] AAA_awright: Because they're independent repositories with their own development history, you can choose to check them out or not
[14:16] enmand: bnoordhuis, great, thanks. I'll have a look
[14:16] Aikar: yes i understand its a duplication of the history, but disk space is cheap, it doesnt bother me :P
[14:16] enmand: bnoordhuis, MakeCallback()?
[14:16] AAA_awright: Aikar: It's really not too hard to use git submodules in a similar manner, mirror the deps next to your repository, and clone using --recursive
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[14:16] AAA_awright: And with an additional argument you have the exact same checkout
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[14:17] bnoordhuis: enmand: look at e.g. src/tcp_wrap.cc - it's the preferred method of calling into JS
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[14:17] Aikar: AAA_awright: github has gone down multiple times this year already. I really prefer not relying on third parties being online
[14:18] Aikar: same with npm
[14:18] Aikar: its also had multiple downtimes
[14:18] Aikar: explaining to your boss you cant work right now because insert X other company is having problems isnt easy
[14:18] AAA_awright: Well then host it yourself
[14:19] Aikar: I am, in the tree of the project that uses it ;)
[14:19] a_meteorite: Git is damn easy to host too
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[14:19] a_meteorite: Filesystem, http, git daemon...
[14:19] AAA_awright: Aikar: If your repository goes down then you can't get the tree
[14:19] a_meteorite: So many options
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[14:19] AAA_awright: Aikar: The situation doesn't change if you have it in a sibling module or in a subtree
[14:19] AAA_awright: that's my point
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[14:20] AAA_awright: So why not use submodules since that adds flexibility
[14:20] Aikar: and trying to explain why i need 30 other reposititories named with node.js's style of so many tiny little projects, they would think thats silly
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[14:20] AAA_awright: Because you depend on them and you can fork them
[14:20] AAA_awright: You can't fork a subtree :)
[14:21] hipsterslapfight: a_meteorite: and you can always swing for one of those $5k private github hosting deals :v
[14:21] Aikar: you can fork the upstream and then host it yourself when you NEED to fork it, then install from your fork
[14:21] Aikar: hipsterslapfight: oh right thanks for reminding me, I found an ope nsource github clone
[14:21] Aikar: http://gitlabhq.com/
[14:22] deedubs: I would love to see integrity integrated with gitlab
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[14:22] Aikar: whats integrity?
[14:22] deedubs: CI
[14:22] hipsterslapfight: that tagline doesn't exactly inspire confidence Aikar ...
[14:22] Aikar: hipsterslapfight: why?
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[14:23] hipsterslapfight: "All for what you so love github - on your server!"
[14:23] hipsterslapfight: is it a joke?
[14:23] Aikar: no...
[14:23] deedubs: Make good git for mankind love
[14:23] Aikar: github isnt free
[14:23] Aikar: /opensource
[14:23] Aikar: this gives you a free/oss clone of github
[14:23] Aikar: whats so "joke" about that idea?
[14:23] hipsterslapfight: the grammar
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[14:24] Aikar: maybe the authors like me, too busy programming during school and didnt pay attention to english :P
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[14:24] Aikar: 
ACTION sucks at grammar.

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[14:31] willwhite: has anyone else noticed releases missing from npm in the last few days?
[14:32] willwhite: I published to npm twice yesterday and had other users build with the new versions successfully, but now those releases have vanished.
[14:32] hipsterslapfight: willwhite: at least have a dozen. see above
[14:32] hipsterslapfight: *half a dozen
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[14:34] willwhite: hipsterslapfight: read the backscroll. thanks!
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[14:36] dexter_e: Beyond Upstart and Monit simultaneously are there more options to ensure total Node Uptime ?
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[14:36] brianc1: dexter_e: I'm not sure anything can completely assure that, but besides those two "cluster" has some built in restart-smarts to it
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[14:45] wankdanker: i see that 'class' is now being enforced as a reserved word. is it actually being used for something?
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[14:46] hipsterslapfight: isn't class a reserved word in javascript itself?
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[14:49] JasonJS: 'class' is in the list of words that may be reserved in the future in the ECMAScript spec
[14:49] wankdanker: yes, it is but it wouldn't throw an exception if used in v0.4.x
[14:49] wankdanker: it does in 0.5.10
[14:50] wankdanker: echo "function a (class) {}" | node
[14:51] JasonJS: It does make sense that they add the future words to the list of reserved to help devs avoid issues in the future
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[14:51] wankdanker: agreed. it made me fix my app. :)
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[14:56] Glenjamin: also look out for let
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[14:58] aaronmcadam: here u are guys: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Reserved_Words
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[14:59] kurmangazy: when I try to do 'npm adduser', after it takes my user/pass/email, it says "npm ERR! Error: socket hang up
[14:59] kurmangazy: npm ERR!     at createHangUpError (http.js:1076:15)
[14:59] kurmangazy: "npm ERR!     at createHangUpError (http.js:1076:15)"
[14:59] kurmangazy: oops.. etc
[15:00] deedubs: npm is experiencing some drama right now.  Might be related
[15:00] kurmangazy: oh
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[15:00] kurmangazy: does it try to use a proxy?
[15:01] kurmangazy: this linux has a proxy incorrectly configured, for some reason...
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[15:02] kurmangazy: ah, that was it. awesome
[15:02] kurmangazy: silly proxy
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[15:06] javier__: hey ppl, I'm trying to simplify the addon creation process, for those interested here is what I have done so far: https://github.com/j-a-s-d/node-addonis
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[15:08] kurmangazy: ah, perfect. I was just thinking. the best thing you could do is make it pure C
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[15:12] kurmangazy: I'm looking at your domain, javier__. I have to ask: what was the concept behind the assembly language XML parser?
[15:12] CIA-48: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r339a1ad 10/ test/test-stdio-over-pipes.c : test: fix warning: implicit declaration of function ‘memcmp’ - http://git.io/O3Stqw
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[15:14] javier__: kurmangazy: it's not a parser in fact, but a generator, ideally for server-side
[15:14] kurmangazy: oh
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[15:15] kurmangazy: what does it generate it from?
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[15:17] kurmangazy: isn't generating xml basically copying a bunch of strings?
[15:17] CoverSlide: you'd need some C++ for the v8 binding though
[15:17] javier__: for performance mainly, the fasm version is four times faster than the xml generation that freepascal gives for example, the same applies for the jasmin-xt version for java
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[15:18] kurmangazy: CoverSlide: clearly, but you can close your eyes and ignore it
[15:18] javier__: the .net cil version is still in the same speed than the common xml generation scheme for .net, i have to improve it
[15:18] javier__: RXL exposes it's own API
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[15:20] kurmangazy: it's hard for me to think what you could optimize that way, javier__... isn't it mainly a matter of watching your memory allocations and how many times you copy things?
[15:20] kurmangazy: or are you using smd instructions or something?
[15:20] kurmangazy: simd
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[15:23] javier__: no problem, benchmarks are included, in fact, it started as an experiment to see how much faster than the FPC/DOM generation it was, and since it took ~700ms against ~3000ms, I saw it might be useful
[15:23] kurmangazy: so it starts from a DOM tree?
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[15:24] kurmangazy: javier__: in addonis -- I wish you had gotten rid of the camel case :)
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[15:25] CoverSlide: you'd perfer `void node_addonis_new_string_array_values()` ?
[15:26] javier__: no no, it's a generation api, I've benchmarked it against a DOM generation I mean
[15:26] CIA-48: node: 03koichik 07master * r0e8a55d 10/ (lib/tls.js test/simple/test-tls-pause-close.js): 
[15:26] CIA-48: node: tls: does not emit 'end' from EncryptedStream
[15:26] CIA-48: node: de09168 and 4cdf9d4 breaks `test/pummel/test-https-large-response.js`.
[15:26] CIA-48: node: It is never finished.
[15:26] CIA-48: node: Fixes #1936. - http://git.io/M77WDA
[15:26] kurmangazy: CoverSlide: yes
[15:27] CoverSlide: hmph
[15:27] CoverSlide: i say he should have gone with UpperCamelCase
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[15:27] kurmangazy: CoverSlide: it avoids subtle issues of choosing between getElementId() and getElementID(), for instance
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[15:28] kurmangazy: just add two characters and make it get_element_id()
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[15:28] CoverSlide: personal preference, is all
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[15:29] CoverSlide: i personally hate having to move my finders up hit the _
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[15:29] CoverSlide: s/finders/fingers/
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[15:30] kurmangazy: program your text editor to replace uppercase letters with _[a-z]
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[15:31] kurmangazy: javier__: I'm afraid I don't quite get it
[15:31] javier__: oh I tried to follow the convention that matches more the Javascript developers way
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[15:32] javier__: personally I'm comfortable with almost any convention
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[15:32] kurmangazy: ah. I just have a disliking for c++/java
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[15:32] kurmangazy: and anything that reminds me of it
[15:33] javier__: Raw XML Library do you mean?
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[15:34] kurmangazy: javier__: Raw XML -- I don't get the API. addonis -- I wish it looked more like C :)
[15:34] tbranyen: anybody know if socket.io runs on windows without cygwin env?
[15:34] tbranyen: i wish i had windows to test this
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[15:35] CIA-48: node: 03koichik 07master * rcbcaeed 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[15:35] CIA-48: node: tls: add address(), remoteAddress/remotePort
[15:35] CIA-48: node: Fixes #758.
[15:35] CIA-48: node: Fixes #1055. - http://git.io/fKCraA
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[15:35] brianc1: tbranyen: I tried it with node v0.5.6 on windows and it worked fine...that was over a month ago though
[15:35] tbranyen: brianc1: beautiful, thanks
[15:35] tbranyen: this is a windows 8 demo, and it'd be nice if everything could run on windows
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[15:37] javier__: kurmangazy: it's a pretty simple api that let's you create, modify and read (in part) xml nodes independiently, it doesnt involve into the memory management, that's up to you
[15:38] javier__: and no, no simd instructions involved in that project
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[15:39] kurmangazy: ic
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[15:45] deedubs: the world is coming apart with this whole npm revert thing
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[15:46] Draggor: what npm thingy?
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[15:46] deedubs: npm seemingly has time travelled 
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[15:46] deedubs: back in time and lost new versions
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[15:49] deedubs: need the west coast to wake up already :)
[15:49] Draggor: Oh, well that's curious
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[15:51] kurmangazy: I published saxn with npm
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[15:53] kurmangazy: now you can `npm install saxn`
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[15:55] kurmangazy: javier__: what if you defined macros so you can access the addonis api without camelcase?
[15:56] javier__: sure, it should work
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[15:57] kurmangazy: javier__: saxn is my idea of an xml parsing framework that doesn't suck. https://github.com/NealB/saxn
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[16:01] kurmangazy: I used it to write simple parsers for rss and ods spreadsheet files in the span of a few hours
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[16:02] kenperkins: o/
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[16:03] javier__: looks nice
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[16:04] kurmangazy: :)
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[16:07] lulzilla: any tips on installing npm on Windows?
[16:07] javier__: time to lunch, brb
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[16:08] JakeyChan: hi?
[16:08] JakeyChan: is there have node document for c++ addon
[16:08] JakeyChan: ?
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[16:09] Draggor: JakeyChan: here's an example project that does one: https://github.com/substack/node-bigint
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[16:10] Glenjamin: kurmangazy: i quite like the idea, but not so keen on the $ syntax for special values :p
[16:10] Glenjamin: also, sys is now deprecated, you should use either util or console depending on what you're trying to do
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[16:11] kurmangazy: Glenjamin: where do you see sys?
[16:12] kurmangazy: Glenjamin: the special identifiers have to be given names that are not legal xml element names, so there are no collisions
[16:12] JakeyChan: Draggor: but..I need API document or node document :)
[16:12] kurmangazy: $ is convenient, since you don't have to put quotes around it in javascript
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[16:14] Glenjamin: kurmangazy: in the examples :p
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[16:15] kurmangazy: Glenjamin: I think sys only appears in pretty-print. it's actually defined as 'var sys=require("util")'
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[16:16] kurmangazy: I wanted to show how you could take isaacs's pretty-print example and change it minimally into saxn
[16:17] kurmangazy: and isaacs's example is old I guess
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[16:18] kurmangazy: oh... it's in the README too
[16:18] anshou: anyone have a moment to field a question about vm.runInNewContext on v0.5.10 under windows?
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[16:24] kurmangazy: no more sys.
[16:25] lwille: I just posted a question about how to chain together and concatenate multiple processes' stdio on stackoverflow (http://bit.ly/sq7rEt) - if anyone could help, I'd really appreciate it :)
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[16:25] CoverSlide: sys is for sissies
[16:25] CoverSlide: and snake-people
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[16:26] lulzilla: why no more sys?
[16:26] kurmangazy: has anyone looked into more functional event-driven frameworks, like yesod in haskell?
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[16:27] kurmangazy: lulzilla: require('sys') is now require('util'). don't ask me why
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[16:28] lulzilla: oh, as long as the functionality exists, I don't mind
[16:28] CoverSlide: 09:25 < CoverSlide> sys is for sissies
[16:28] CoverSlide: that's why
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[16:28] lulzilla: besides util was a very thin module
[16:28] lulzilla: so makes sense in my opinion
[16:29] kurmangazy: are there any functions in the api that give you buffered writes to streams?
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[16:29] maushu: SubStack: back to try and read the ssh docs.
[16:29] lulzilla: createWriteStream is buffere, I tgink
[16:29] shanebo: hey guys, will node throw a fatal error when trying to access a key in an object that doesn't exist?
[16:29] maushu: I have no idea if node.js crypto supports diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 and diffie-hellman-group14-sha1.
[16:30] kurmangazy: shanebo: no it's a javascript issue, not a node issue
[16:30] lulzilla: shanebo, yes
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[16:30] CoverSlide: iirc, every Javascript engine will
[16:30] lulzilla: yea
[16:30] kurmangazy: lulzilla: huh?
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[16:30] shanebo: I'm glad there's consensus :D
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[16:31] shanebo: so I'll always have to do obj.hasOwnProperty('foo') ?
[16:31] CoverSlide: no, no, no
[16:31] maushu: shanebo: huh, no?
[16:31] kurmangazy: 'var foo = {};' foo.bar === undefined
[16:31] maushu: ^
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[16:31] CoverSlide: if the object doesn't exist
[16:31] shanebo: well that's not fatal
[16:31] maushu: javascript doesn't throw any error, just check if its undefined.
[16:31] CoverSlide: there will be an error
[16:31] shanebo: oh I see
[16:32] CoverSlide: if the key doesn't you get undefined
[16:32] shanebo: I meant the key doesn't exist in the object
[16:32] shanebo: okay cool
[16:32] maushu: object["yay!"] === undefined <- doesn't exist if true
[16:32] shanebo: will a non existent object throw a fatal in a conditional?
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[16:33] anshou: anyone have a moment to field a question about vm.runInNewContext on v0.5.10 under windows?  i'm expecting writes to stderr and an exception to be thrown on syntax error, but the exception I am seeing is empty and I have no writes to stderr?
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[16:33] kurmangazy: shanebo: if you haven't declared it with 'var foo;', you can't reference foo
[16:33] CoverSlide: if the variable name has not been varred, ues
[16:33] enmand: bnoordhuis, was that event stuff 0.5.x specific, or should it be done the same wasy in 0.4?
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[16:34] CoverSlide: however, you can do typeof foo to anything
[16:34] shanebo: so if (foo) do something; will be fatal if foo doesn't exist?
[16:34] CoverSlide: yes
[16:34] bnoordhuis: enmand: 0.5.x specific
[16:34] shanebo: k thx
[16:34] enmand: bnoordhuis, ah. In 0.4, should the class extend EventEmitter?
[16:35] kurmangazy: lulzilla: createWriteStream doesn't get you a buffered stream. at least, not to a file.
[16:35] CoverSlide: var foo; will correct that
[16:35] bnoordhuis: enmand: yes, but that's going away in 0.5 / 0.6
[16:35] enmand: Or, better yet, is it more worthwhile to develop against 0.5?
[16:35] CoverSlide: or `typeof foo == 'undefined'` works too
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[16:36] bnoordhuis: enmand: yes, 0.6 will be out in a short while
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[16:36] bnoordhuis: we're not doing 0.4 releases any more either
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[16:36] enmand: OK
[16:36] enmand: bnoordhuis, any timeline on the stable 0.6 release?
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[16:36] enmand: I'll develop against 0.5 then
[16:36] bnoordhuis: enmand: maybe already this week
[16:37] enmand: Oh, OK. Well, in that case I certainly will
[16:37] kurmangazy: I think node.js would be a better api if it wasn't so easy to do inefficient things, like invoke write(2) a thousand times to output a kilobyte
[16:37] CoverSlide: wtf .. npm just downgraded itself from 1.0.104 to 1.0.96 ??
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[16:38] isaacs: trying to figure out what's going on
[16:38] lauxley: hi, im a first time node.js trying to setup a tcp client/server connection between a browser and a node server, my question is, is there a bundle or something to link client side to have access to net.createConnection ? (i know this is probably the noobiest question ever)
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[16:39] isaacs: CoverSlide: the data's there.
[16:39] kurmangazy: lauxley: isn't that what socket.io is for?
[16:39] isaacs: just not showing in the view for some reason
[16:39] CoverSlide: the browser doesn't deal with raw tcp connections, only http
[16:39] lauxley: kurmangazy: is it ?
[16:39] JasonJS: lauxley: Assuming you don't mean raw TCP sockets, look into socket.io
[16:39] lauxley: ok thx guys
[16:40] kurmangazy: lauxley: CoverSlide is probably correct, but socket.io will probably help you
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[16:45] kurmangazy: how do the canonical node.js chat servers work? is each message a separate http connection? or is a socket kept open?
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[16:47] wankdanker: should all 'not yet implemented' features be implemented by the 0.6 release?
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[16:50] isaacs: this is so bizarre...
[16:50] isaacs: when i curl, i see the latest data, but when i fetch from the npm registry with node, i don't
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[16:51] deedubs: isaacs: ready for any testing you need
[16:51] isaacs: do `npm view npm version`
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[16:51] isaacs: should show 1.0.103
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[16:51] isaacs: when you curl http://registry.npmjs.org/npm, that's what you see
[16:51] deedubs: 1.0.96
[16:51] wankdanker: 1.0.96
[16:52] isaacs: aha!!  just saw http://registry.npmjs.org/npm showing 1.0.96
[16:52] isaacs: but http://isaacs.iriscouch.net/registry/npm shows the latest data
[16:52] isaacs: JasonSmith: you around?
[16:52] kurmangazy: some sort of caching?
[16:52] trose: so I'm using Brianc's postgres plugin and I want to get back my primary key after i do an insert. I thought it was typical behavior for sql to return either a PK or the row number of the row it just inserted
[16:53] trose: I have a shallow understanding of postgresql so feel free to tell me to go rtfm if this is a stupid question :D
[16:53] isaacs: kurmangazy: maybe
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[16:54] isaacs: aha.  restarted couch, now it's showing the correct version
[16:54] trose: nvm figured it out
[16:55] isaacs: must've confused it with all the recent _design doc updates, maybe?
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[16:56] wankdanker: isaacs: looking good now. search.npmjs.org now shows a module that was updated last night but was not showing this am.
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[17:00] kurmangazy: what would be the best database backend for node.js, if you were writing, say, a CMS... couchdb? mongo? or some traditional dbms?
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[17:01] kurmangazy: so that it obeys the non-blocking model
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[17:01] CoverSlide: `best` is very subjective
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[17:01] kurmangazy: which one melds the best with the asynchronous, streaming model?
[17:01] martin_sunset: kurmangazy: I would use mongo, but I am biased
[17:01] CoverSlide: i would use redis
[17:01] CoverSlide: but I, too am biased
[17:02] martin_sunset: Where are the couch guys? :)
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[17:02] kurmangazy: are the redis and mongo node.js libraries pretty advanced and stable?
[17:03] martin_sunset: kurmangazy: Mongoose is very good, definitely useable in production
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[17:03] deedubs: +1 for mongoose love it.  I haven't dropped down to mongo-native yet but its on my list of things to get comfortable with
[17:04] kurmangazy: martin_sunset: sweet. thanks.
[17:04] Epeli: I have used mongo-native and found it pretty buggy
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[17:04] deedubs: Epeli: Interesting.  I use it via mongoose with no issue
[17:04] Epeli: And  with out dated docs
[17:05] ctide: it has some ugly memory leaks as well
[17:05] ctide: at least in every version past 0.9.6-15
[17:05] kurmangazy: it seems like, someday, the database could be integrated into the node.js process...
[17:05] ctide: we're at the mercy of when he decides to remove that package from npm, heh
[17:05] CoverSlide: there are attempts at in-process keyvalue stores
[17:06] kurmangazy: CoverSlide: excellent.
[17:06] CoverSlide: nstore, alfred, chaos, tiny, dirty, eventvat
[17:06] Epeli: This was especially annoying  https://github.com/christkv/node-mongodb-native/issues/376
[17:06] kurmangazy: node.js might as well run inside the kernel, too
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[17:07] martin_sunset: kurmangazy: Neo4j is another db to watch out for, especially when you are doing social
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[17:08] kurmangazy: is node.js stable enough to be open to the internet without being insecure?
[17:08] Epeli: yes
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[17:08] kurmangazy: cool
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[17:11] brianc1: trose: you still here?
[17:11] kurmangazy: what is the '4j' in neo4j? java?
[17:12] zach_: Hi everyone, when forking child processes, how can one set up a tcp server listenening at port 80 in the parent process, and then delegate any requests to available child processes?
[17:12] brianc1: trose: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.3/interactive/sql-insert.html search for the "RETURNING" keyword.
[17:12] martin_sunset: kurmangazy: I think it started out as a java project...
[17:12] trose: brianc1, i figured it out :D Thanks though.
[17:13] trose: 
ACTION needs to spend more time reading before asking dumb questions

[17:13] martin_sunset: kurmangazy: But it is language agnostic, and you can use it in the cloud for free on heroku
[17:13] CoverSlide: the db is written in java
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[17:13] brianc1: trose: no worries
[17:14] OneOfOne: zach_: if you're using latest 0.5.x it automaticly handle that, or you can use node-cluster in the 0.4.x
[17:14] danielss89: is this correct: i use php to log in my users. Now i want to identify my users so i print the session id in my javascript that connects to node.js and use node.js to read the php sessions.
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[17:14] kurmangazy: zach_: I think you use the third parameter to stream.write() to pass file descriptors, no?
[17:15] isaacs: zach_: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.5.10/api/cluster.html
[17:15] danielss89: but this makes so that anyone can just steal the session id and then put it in code and pretend he's the user.. How do i go around this?
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[17:15] isaacs: zach_: or use the child_process.sendFD method, and have the child process servers listen on that fd rather than listening on a port/hostname
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[17:16] zach_: oneofone,issacs: thanks, cluster is indeed the functionality i need. But i just switched to node from python, and i wanted to implement it myself.
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[17:16] zach_: kurmangazy: yes, but if i pass the server.handle to each child process, how do i choose which child process recieved what request?
[17:16] OneOfOne: zach_: check the source code for either, they are on git
[17:16] CoverSlide: well, conversely, one could just steal the PHPSESSID cookie and do that with a normal php session
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[17:16] zach_: oneofone: lol, ofc.
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[17:17] zach_: isaacs: i'll check out sendFD
[17:17] kurmangazy: danielss89: Drupal has a nodejs module, and has solved the security problem. you may want to check out how they did it
[17:17] danielss89: k, ill have a look
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[17:18] zach_: isaacs: where in the docs can i read about sendFD?
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[17:19] kurmangazy: zach_: not sure how node.js handles it, but in unix, accept(2) gives you a brand new fd for that connection. that's what you want to send
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[17:27] kurmangazy: I wish node's internal i/o buffering mechanisms were better documented
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[17:27] jamescarr: I forgot the Date object was so barbaric :)
[17:28] CoverSlide: yeah the Date object sucks
[17:28] tbranyen: lol date object rullleeesss
[17:28] CoverSlide: use datejs
[17:28] deedubs: nooo
[17:28] tbranyen: datejs is bloated
[17:28] tbranyen: use momento
[17:28] tbranyen: er
[17:28] tbranyen: moment
[17:29] deedubs: datejs will break the crap out of everything that uses Date
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[17:29] tbranyen: https://github.com/timrwood/moment
[17:29] AvianFlu: lol somebody made a module that incompatibly overrides a built-in JS object?
[17:29] tbranyen: and its in npm woot
[17:29] AvianFlu: that sounds win... LOL
[17:29] tbranyen: AvianFlu: yeah i wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them do
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[17:30] deedubs: I haven't used it yet but XDate seems saner 
[17:30] deedubs: I looked at adding noConflict to datejs but it didn't look like fun
[17:31] AvianFlu: call me crazy, but I use the real Date object
[17:31] AvianFlu: new Date() = unix timestamp
[17:31] AvianFlu: easy to do math on :)
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[17:31] tbranyen: well +new Date() = timestamp
[17:31] tbranyen: new Date() is an object
[17:31] AvianFlu: true
[17:32] jamescarr: eh, my stance on "touching" native objects is 
[17:32] jamescarr: Don't do it! But if you do, do it in production. :)
[17:32] AvianFlu: I actually spaced out, new Date().getTime() is the timestamp
[17:32] jamescarr: jk
[17:32] CoverSlide: well there's also Date.now()
[17:33] CoverSlide: i think it's ES5
[17:33] AvianFlu: how strange! Date().toString() gives you time zone info
[17:33] tbranyen: its in node tho
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[17:33] jamescarr: so those of you with large node.js based wbeapps... have you hit any kind of hard limit for setIntervals?
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[17:33] jamescarr: I have a lot of setIntervals that broadcast things that get pushed to clients via socket.io
[17:34] jerrysv: if you're going to go native, use date-utils
[17:34] jerrysv: and i don't say that just because it's mine
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[17:35] CoverSlide: I say don't use it
[17:35] CoverSlide: just because it's yours
[17:35] jerrysv: CoverSlide: gee, thanks?
[17:35] CoverSlide: jk
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[17:37] jerrysv: i say use it because it's well tested, very small, and is respectful of native functionality -- but only if you feel comfortable messing with a native object
[17:37] jerrysv: otherwise, it looks like xdate is coming along nicely
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[17:38] overthemike: woops
[17:38] overthemike: closed wrong window
[17:38] overthemike: did I miss anything?
[17:38] CoverSlide: just lots of cheering
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[17:40] CoverSlide: yay!
[17:40] deedubs: jerrysv: Does date-util mess with any of the toString() stuff on date or what have you?  I found that datejs broke timestamps on Mongoose 
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[17:42] dherman: isaacs: I'm using sax v0.2.5 from npm -- is CDATA support not fully there?
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[17:44] jerrysv: deedubs: no, there is toFormat()
[17:45] sander_: What is the biggest project using node.js ?
[17:45] jerrysv: hp touchpad
[17:45] jerrysv: also, linkedin
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[17:46] Squee-D: 101 time :) https://gist.github.com/1317126  just trying to use the amqp module and don't really know what my next step is
[17:47] dherman: does anyone here use isaacs's sax-js library?
[17:47] deedubs: npm i amqp
[17:47] isaacs: dherman: i use it for some things :)
[17:47] dherman: ohai!
[17:47] dherman: :)
[17:48] isaacs: mostly i use it for running sax-js test scripts, though, when people report bugs
[17:48] isaacs: :)
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[17:48] dherman: haha. I was just wondering if CDATA support is incomplete
[17:48] dherman: I imagine it's my own bug, but thought I'd ask
[17:48] isaacs: shoudl be complete.  it just passes through whatever it gets
[17:48] dherman: k
[17:48] isaacs: whatever's between <![CDATA[ and ]]>
[17:48] Squee-D: deedubs done that. i think it might be my NODE_PATH
[17:48] dherman: and it's in there in npm?
[17:48] isaacs: youd get parser.oncdata(" and ") from that snippet
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[17:48] isaacs: ya
[17:48] deedubs: Squee-D: what version?
[17:48] dherman: k
[17:48] deedubs: of noe
[17:49] dherman: I'm sure it's my own bug.
[17:49] dherman: 
ACTION digs

[17:49] Squee-D: deedubs 0.4.12
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[17:49] CoverSlide: is there a folder `node_modules/amqp` ?
[17:49] deedubs: and `ls node_modules` shows amqp
[17:50] Squee-D: ls /usr/local/lib/node_modules/ shows amqp
[17:50] deedubs: no no
[17:50] deedubs: in your CWD
[17:50] CoverSlide: 
ACTION sigh

[17:50] Squee-D: not at all
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[17:51] CoverSlide: just do npm link amqp
[17:51] CoverSlide: also, what version of npm?
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[17:52] Squee-D: I think it's simply a matter of basics.. Typically, you create a folder for your project and npm installs modules as  local libs ?
[17:52] martin_sunset: Squee-D: Add it to your package fie
[17:52] CoverSlide: no, npm installs locally to the project
[17:52] isaacs: Squee-D: yeah
[17:52] CoverSlide: it should
[17:52] isaacs: Squee-D: npm faq
[17:52] Squee-D: k
[17:53] Squee-D: thanks
[17:53] isaacs: Squee-D: run `npm init` to create a package.json file
[17:53] webstrand: When using EventEmitter.emit is the event placed in a queue and the callbacks executed later, or are the callbacks eecuted immediatly?
[17:53] Squee-D: yeah i'll go read up on npm first
[17:53] isaacs: Squee-D: and `npm install <blah> --save` to write the thing to the dependencies hash
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[17:53] deedubs: 
ACTION writes that one down. --save

[17:54] sander_: Does anyone uses couchapp here?
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[17:58] brianc1: anyone know of a node web app you can deploy & point at a redis server and use it as a front end to peek inside all your redis data sets?
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[17:58] brianc1: webstrand: immediately 
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[17:59] tjholowaychuk: brianc1 i was going to build something like that a long time ago
[17:59] tjholowaychuk: but redis-cli is so easy
[17:59] brianc1: tjholowaychuk: true, I just like to click click click on things
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[18:01] CIA-48: node: 03Zachary Scott 07master * r7fb8c7c 10/ doc/api/appendix_1.markdown : docs: update socket.io url - http://git.io/rqXrNQ
[18:01] CIA-48: node: 03Zachary Scott 07master * r3961b5a 10/ AUTHORS : docs: update email address - http://git.io/9VUnSg
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[18:02] webstrand: Is there a way that I can emit events that are placed into the same queue as events from asynchronous operations?
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[18:02] isaacs: sander_: i do.
[18:02] isaacs: sander_: you mean the node one, or the python one?
[18:02] isaacs: sander_: teh npm registry is a couchapp: http://github.com/isaacs/npmjs.org
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[18:06] sander_: isaacs, whould you recommend using couchapp developing an phonegap/html5 app? Or is there any other alternatives I should look into?
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[18:06] isaacs: sander_: i dunno
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[18:07] sander_: isaacs, so it
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[18:07] sander_: so it's possible to use python and any webbrowser with couchapp ?
[18:07] sander_: webserver*
[18:07] CoverSlide: ls
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[18:08] jerrysv: CoverSlide: libfuse.0.dylib           libfuse.dylib             libfuse_ino64.2.dylib     libprotobuf.6.dylib       pkgconfig 
[18:08] CoverSlide: ty!
[18:08] jerrysv: np
[18:08] jerrysv: might want to do a pwd first next time, though
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[18:09] isaacs: sander_: the web server is couchdb
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[18:09] isaacs: sander_: but there are two utils called "couchapp" that both push your local fs scripts into the couchdb design doc
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[18:12] enmand: bnoordhuis, I can't figure out MakeCallback -- does it have a lot to do with libuv?
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[18:22] zach_: say I have a http server listening on port 80. I also have another http server not yet listening. How do I make the requestListener on the first server fire the same request on the other server?
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[18:24] zach_: I know I can make the second server listen on a UNIX socket, but how can I pass on a request (as well as the response object) from the first server on through e.g. a UNIX socket to the other one?
[18:24] dherman: isaacs: would you mind taking a look at this simple test and telling me if I'm doing something wrong? it's not picking up any cdata. https://gist.github.com/1317251
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[18:25] TheEmpath: oops
[18:25] TheEmpath: so process.memoryUsage().vsize is dead in node 6?
[18:25] TheEmpath: but WRRYYYYYY my unit tests give me good info on estimated memory usage and i'd like to know how much is spilling onto the diiiiiisk
[18:25] TheEmpath: moooooooooooooooooom
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[18:27] deedubs: TheEmpath: probably no direct mapping to windows
[18:27] TheEmpath: :(
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[18:28] TheEmpath: fringe use cases in windows in an attempt to subdue IIS shouldn't doom the rest of us.. that's useful information
[18:28] deedubs: TheEmpath: Just a guess though.  
[18:29] TheEmpath: yeah
[18:29] TheEmpath: i had a feeling that was the case
[18:29] TheEmpath: myself
[18:29] zach_: I can't just child.send({req: res, res: res}) on request, because I can only send JSON objects. Can I somehow send the socket from the child to the parent, and have the parent fire requests on the socket?
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[18:29] TheEmpath: also, i've noticed that mongoose schema instances hobilterate my ram
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[18:30] mkrecny: (re node-mongodb-native) anyone finding connection to replica sets takes > 10s?
[18:30] TheEmpath: i'll be putting together something reproducable when i get home, but basically, 50 new model instances of a particularly complex schema resulted in like 30MB of RAM, 10MB for V8, and spill over in to the VRAM
[18:30] TheEmpath: not to mention over a dozen even listeners per model
[18:31] TheEmpath: made me a sad panda
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[18:35] jerrysv: TheEmpath: have you looked at mongode ?
[18:36] TheEmpath: i has not
[18:36] lauxley: guys, i don't see the response from the server, althought i see a 'new connection', what do i do wrong ? http://dpaste.com/641495/ 
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[18:36] jerrysv: TheEmpath: it's a thin wrapper around node-mongodb-native that makes dealing with mongo directly a lot easier
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[18:37] lauxley: and everything is fine when i go to http://localhost:1337/ from a browser, but i don't see the reponse from the client script
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[18:38] Aikar: jerrysv: hmm, how identical is it to mongoskin?
[18:39] CIA-48: node: 03Nathan Rajlich 07master * rb8f3e18 10/ lib/util.js : 
[18:39] CIA-48: node: Export the type checking functions from `util.js`.
[18:39] CIA-48: node: As per discussion at:
[18:39] CIA-48: node: http://groups.google.com/group/nodejs-dev/browse_thread/thread/b08970166e4670cf - http://git.io/9q6mVw
[18:39] CIA-48: node: 03Nathan Rajlich 07master * ra6a04fb 10/ test/simple/test-util.js : Add test case for the util.js type checking functions. - http://git.io/0iHiZQ
[18:39] CIA-48: node: 03Nathan Rajlich 07master * r3524f41 10/ doc/api/util.markdown : Add docs for the type checking functions in `util.js`. - http://git.io/WjsQxg
[18:39] Aikar: jerrysv: looks the same, but mongoskin is by a non english native speaker so the documentation is a bit hard to understand sometimes, but looks to least still have more docs than mongode does
[18:39] lauxley: i think the client can't connect to the server but i can't see why
[18:39] jerrysv: Aikar: i haven't looked at mongoskin, but i do use mongode in production -- seems pretty darned stable
[18:39] mkrecny: jerrysv : any xp using mongode w/ replica sets?
[18:40] zach_: i have a http server listening on port 80. i also have another http server in a child process not yet listening. How do I make the requestListener on the first server fire the same request in the child server? I can't child.send({req: req, res: res}); because i can only send JSON objects.
[18:40] jerrysv: mkrecny: yes, we use replica sets -- just pass in an array and it just handles it
[18:40] Aikar: mongoskin is a futures layer ontop of -native, so it emulates the CLI syntax alot.
[18:40] Aikar: https://github.com/guileen/node-mongoskin
[18:40] jerrysv: mkrecny: https://github.com/milewise/mongode/blob/master/lib/db.js#L18
[18:40] jerrysv: Aikar: thx, looking now
[18:41] mkrecny: jerrysv : I find that connection time to replica sets is > >10s on initial startup -- any xp w/ this?
[18:41] mkrecny: jerrysv : but once estabbed query times are fast as usual
[18:41] lauxley: anyone ? :/
[18:41] jerrysv: mkrecny: i don't see that behavior, but we connect at startup and keep the connection active unless it goes away
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[18:42] mkrecny: jerrysv : right the startup connect is what i'm referring to - not a big deal since it only happens once - but still it's not expectd
[18:42] jerrysv: your lag could be the negotiation between the replica sets? maybe? do you see the same thing with mongolab?
[18:42] mkrecny: mongolab?
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[18:43] jerrysv: sorry, mongohub :)
[18:43] jerrysv: too much mongo in the last couple of days: http://mongohub.todayclose.com/
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[18:44] mkrecny: hadn't seen this b4 looks nice - thx
[18:44] mkrecny: gotta dive into some code right now thanks for the exchange jerrysv
[18:44] jerrysv: i've experienced a couple of bugs with it, but it's pretty awesome
[18:44] jerrysv: me too -- have fun!
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[18:44] martin_sunset: jerrysv: Thx
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[18:47] zach_: i have a http server listening on port 80. i also have another http server in a child process not yet listening. How do I make the requestListener on the first server fire the same request in the child server? I can't child.send({req: req, res: res}); because i can only send JSON objects.
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[18:55] lauxley: guys, i don't see the response from the server, althought i see a 'new connection', what do i do wrong ? http://dpaste.com/641495/
[18:55] lauxley: i think the client can't connect to the server but i can't see why
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[18:55] CoverSlide: zach_: basically, you're asking how to proxy a request. this basically involves creating a request from the host, sending it to the child, and taking the response, and sending that back to the client
[18:55] Aikar: hmm how do you get 'pip' python package installer with apt-get?
[18:56] lauxley: but i see the attempt on both ends, the server output a 'new connection' and i can see the request in firebug, but it has no response
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[18:56] lauxley: Aikar: with easy-install if i remember correctly
[18:57] lauxley: easy_install*
[18:57] CoverSlide: lauxley: where are you running the client?
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[18:57] lauxley: in my browser
[18:57] Aikar: lauxley: i found this in the changelog wget -O- https://raw.github.com/pypa/pip/master/contrib/get-pip.py | python 
[18:58] Aikar: well, i modified their ver to be that :P
[18:58] CoverSlide: i mean, where is the client code being served from?
[18:58] zach_: coverslide: if i send the socket filedescriptor to the child process, can i somehow use that to create a stream that i can server.emit('connection', stream) to my child server?
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[18:58] CoverSlide: also, where is the socket.io stuff in the server?
[18:58] lauxley: CoverSlide: but it may not be the right answer, what do you mean ?
[18:59] CoverSlide: your server isn't running socket.io at all
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[18:59] lauxley: CoverSlide: isn't it integrated with node.js
[18:59] lauxley: ?
[18:59] CoverSlide: ... no where did you assume that?
[19:00] CoverSlide: node has an integrated http server, socket.io is a framework built on node.js
[19:00] lauxley: CoverSlide: hmm
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[19:01] lauxley: so i need a socket.io server, not a node.js server ?
[19:01] lauxley: im confused
[19:01] CoverSlide: socket.io is a node.js module
[19:01] lzskiss: first node.js secon socket.io
[19:01] lauxley: i see
[19:01] lzskiss: npm list iz your friend
[19:01] Aikar: damnit "need ruby gems 1.3.6" i have 1.3.5 but gem update gem doesnt report updates >:( I wanna try this GitLab
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[19:01] CoverSlide: Aikar: gem update --system
[19:01] deedubs: gem update —system
[19:01] jerrysv: lauxley: node can upgrade an http connection to a websocket, but socket.io handles it all for you and provides a great interface on both client and server
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[19:02] jerrysv: lauxley: http://socket.io/ for more info
[19:02] lauxley: ok thx guys ill check it out ;)
[19:02] Aikar: gem update --system is disabled on Debian. RubyGems can be updated using the official Debian repositories by aptitude or apt-get.
[19:02] Aikar: >;/ how can i bypass that
[19:02] lauxley: and probably come back a little later for more noobs questions
[19:02] Aikar: I'm on ubuntu 10.04 LTS
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[19:03] CoverSlide: http://rubygems.org/pages/download#formats
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[19:06] Aikar: k i dl'd the .gem, gem installed it, then it downgraded my gem binary lol, but then update_rubygem brought me to 1.8
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[19:07] Aikar: ruby stays too long on this 1.8/1.9 path BS
[19:07] Aikar: needs to be like node :/
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[19:15] lauxley: Ok, i installed socket.io and now i have this error when trying to launch the server, it happend on "var io = require('socket.io').listen(http);"
[19:15] lauxley: node.js:202
[19:15] lauxley:         throw e; // process.nextTick error, or 'error' event on first tick
[19:16] Aikar: wishing i woulda went non LTS on my server. I switched to ubuntu to get more up to date stuff than centos crap, but even LTS lags behind too much! :(
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[19:21] enmand: Aikar, it's LTS for a reason. 
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[19:22] korch: question/help: i have a script parsing a log file, it exits upon reaching the end of the log file, but i need it to keep running & parsing, whenever new lines are written to the log my script needs to wake up and run some things
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[19:22] korch: i'm not sure how to keep fs.createReadStream polling from the file
[19:24] korch: maybe not use fs.createReadStream but instead use fs.open instead?
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[19:25] lauxley: in fact the more understandable error is : TypeError: Object #<Object> has no method 'listeners'
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[19:27] vi390: hi, having problems installing npm (debian system) : installed nodejs with configure make in /opt/node  for some reason there is no module directory in there. the npm install.sh exits with  (line 271:  4079 Segmentation fault      "$node" cli.js rm npm -gf) any idea how to solve this?
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[19:28] Qbix2: hey guys
[19:28] Qbix2: what will node use instead of fugue now
[19:28] Qbix2: because fugue seems to be outdated
[19:28] Qbix2: I think it had like --relaunch or some option like that?
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[19:28] Qbix2: I mean the whole load balancing thing that Yahoo started and express uses or whatever
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[19:29] tjholowaychuk: Qbix2 i dont think yahoo had anything to do with fugue
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[19:29] Aikar: hmm. anyone ever installed ruby.1.9.2 with these style instructions? https://github.com/gitlabhq/gitlabhq/wiki/Install
[19:29] Aikar: it built me a .deb and i installed it, but ruby -v is still 1.8.7 
[19:29] tjholowaychuk: Qbix2 there are other options, but node 0.6.x will have it's own support for similar
[19:30] CoverSlide: Aikar: stat /etc/alternatives/ruby /usr/bin/ruby
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[19:33] CoverSlide: This town is like a great big pussy just waitin' to get fucked.
[19:33] korch: which town would that be?
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[19:34] CoverSlide: every town i visit, baby
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[19:35] korch: CoverSlide: how does that town make you feel?
[19:35] Aikar: CoverSlide: i have no ruby in alternatives
[19:35] CoverSlide: hmm
[19:35] CoverSlide: `update-alternatives ruby` does nothing?
[19:36] Aikar: unknown arg ruby
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[19:37] CoverSlide: odd ..
[19:37] Aikar: some reason i ended up with a 1.9.1 folder during that install
[19:37] CoverSlide: maybe it installed under usr/local/
[19:37] CoverSlide: ?
[19:37] Aikar: but that filename clearly says 1.9.2
[19:37] Aikar: in usr/local/lib/ruby
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[19:39] CIA-48: node: 03Nathan Rajlich 07master * r2dbb470 10/ lib/util.js : (log message trimmed)
[19:39] CIA-48: node: Don't use `instanceof` in lib/util.js "is" checks.
[19:39] CIA-48: node: While using `instanceof`, these functions could easily be faked with something
[19:39] CIA-48: node: like: Object.create(Date.prototype)
[19:39] CIA-48: node: So let's just not use it at all. A little slower, but these functions are only
[19:39] CIA-48: node: used in the REPL / for debugging so it's OK.
[19:39] CIA-48: node: Fixes #1941.
[19:39] CIA-48: node: 03Nathan Rajlich 07master * rd4379fc 10/ (3 files): 
[19:39] CIA-48: node: Add test case for #1941.
[19:39] CIA-48: node: Add test for the false-positives from #1942.
[19:39] CIA-48: node: Fix test-sys.js. - http://git.io/Ub9UDQ
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[19:40] Aikar: guess ill try rvm
[19:41] Aikar: why do all these git web uis all gotta be written in ruby and require 9001 things to set them up :(
[19:41] martin_sunset:  Aikar 1.9.1 folder is ok for 1.9.2.   Ram is a great choice
[19:41] martin_sunset: Rvm...
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[19:42] Aikar: ok so it probally is installed then?
[19:42] Aikar: where would it of dropped the binary?
[19:42] martin_sunset: Looks like. Only got 50% of your chat log though ;)
[19:42] martin_sunset: No idea though, most like
[19:42] Aikar: https://github.com/gitlabhq/gitlabhq/wiki/Install
[19:43] Aikar: I used the instructions on there
[19:43] martin_sunset: Ly in a cryptic subdirectories
[19:43] Aikar: then dpkg -i <the.deb>
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[19:44] chilts: Aikar: there are a couple of modules to bind to the libgit2 library ... could make a UI in Node? :)
[19:44] chilts: https://github.com/tbranyen/nodegit and https://github.com/libgit2/node-gitteh
[19:45] Aikar: chilts: I dont have the time nore experience in UI work to do so :P
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[19:46] chilts: :)
[19:46] chilts: but yes, I agree with you, they all require lots of work (except maybe gitweb, which is pretty basic, but functional)
[19:47] Aikar: yeah too basic tho lol
[19:47] chilts: I generally don't use any UIs when coding, I just use that for basic showing on the web
[19:47] Aikar: same, but id like a nice UI to my private projects
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[19:48] Aikar: gonna let rvm run i guess
[19:48] Aikar: prolly safer anyways
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[19:49] Aikar: i think the only ruby project i personally use is git commit notifier, so id hope any system package can handle versions/rvm properly
[19:49] Aikar: git-commit-notifier is nice, sends out diff emails on push
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[20:01] Aikar: hmm
[20:02] Aikar: i have a /usr/bin/ruby and /usr/local/bin/ruby ... with usr/bin/ruby being the system one at 1.8.7 which is overriding the /usr/local at 1.9.2 ><
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[20:03] c4milo: tjholowaychuk: hey, how is it gong? 
[20:03] c4milo: going* 
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[20:04] CIA-48: node: 03Nathan Rajlich 07master * rebefe77 10/ lib/util.js : (log message trimmed)
[20:04] CIA-48: node: More bulletproof `util.inspect()` function.
[20:04] CIA-48: node: Use the *real* versions of the Date and RegExp functions, from the
[20:04] CIA-48: node: prototype. This defends against code like:
[20:04] CIA-48: node:  var d = new Date()
[20:04] CIA-48: node:  d.toUTCString = null
[20:04] CIA-48: node:  util.inspect(d)
[20:04] CIA-48: node: 03Nathan Rajlich 07master * r4fb2ac5 10/ test/simple/test-util-inspect.js : Add test cases for #1944. - http://git.io/9Q5Kzw
[20:08] Aikar: hmm
[20:08] Aikar: thinking about this rvm and ruby version management crap
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[20:12] Aikar: what do you guys think about some kind of "nvm" support in node itself so if you node myapp/ where myapp has a package.json, it runs under the appropriate node engine, ie 0.4 or 0.5. where the node binary auto loads the correct node runtime version based on package.json. so when node becomes big, and some app depends on .7 but you use .6 for most stuff, things can still 'just work'
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[20:12] illumina: What do you guys think about Mongoose? 
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[20:13] SlexAxton: Marak: hey marak, or any of the nodejitsu peeps, if I use Haibu for deploys, does it keep up one or more of the drones while the others are replaced (in order to maintain constant uptime)?
[20:13] Marak: SlexAxton: it doesnt do that right now, but i think there is an open ticket
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[20:14] SlexAxton: if i wanted to do that, do you know of a tool that does?
[20:14] SlexAxton: other than like, nginx roundrobin, and just wait til one goes back up to replace the next
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[20:14] Marak: SlexAxton: https://github.com/nodejitsu/haibu/issues/20
[20:15] SlexAxton: thnx
[20:15] Marak: SlexAxton: its not exactly hard to do
[20:15] Marak: SlexAxton: i think at nodejitsu, we've started to implement this on top of haibu
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[20:16] SlexAxton: yea, just making sure that i wasn't missing a tool
[20:16] SlexAxton: thnx
[20:17] Marak: SlexAxton: if you add it, we'll take a patch for haibu
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[20:17] SlexAxton: deal
[20:17] SlexAxton: thanx
[20:17] Marak: SlexAxton: also, you might want to see: https://github.com/stolsma/apiary
[20:17] Marak: SlexAxton: that is an open-source multi-haibu manager
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[20:18] Marak: its not supported by us, but it looks pretty good
[20:18] Marak: we've gotten a few good patches back from the author too
[20:18] zach_: how do i send a socket to a child process? or at least send enough to rebuild it in a child process?
[20:19] zach_: this works in a single process: http://jsfiddle.net/yUyqj/
[20:19] zach_: but how can i move the http-server to a child-process?
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[20:20] baudehlo: zach_: you can do it in 0.4, but the functionality is going away in 0.5.
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[20:21] zach_: baudehlo: i'm already running 0.5. how would i have done it in 0.4?
[20:22] baudehlo: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.12/api/streams.html#event_fd_
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[20:23] baudehlo: and stream.write() to send the fd.
[20:23] dherman: isaacs: I haven't been able to get cdata events to fire: https://github.com/isaacs/sax-js/issues/45
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[20:24] zach_: baudehlo: hm. but wouldn't i only be able to use stream.write and stream.on('fd) within a single process? how could i have used that to transport the fd between two processes?
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[20:26] baudehlo: you can send if over the stdio
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[20:27] baudehlo: var child = child_process.spawn('node', ['script.js']); child.stdin.write(...)
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[20:27] zach_: aah, of course. sorry i've been using http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.5.10/api/child_processes.html#child_process.fork and the send method.
[20:27] baudehlo: and in the child, set process.stdin.on('fd')
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[20:28] baudehlo: (nb: don't use "node" for the child process though)
[20:29] zach_: the send method accepts a 'sendHandle' parameter. i'm not exactly sure what is meant by handle, is it possible to send a fd using that?
[20:29] zach_: as i am indeed using 0.5
[20:30] baudehlo: I think handle in this case is a wrapper for an fd.
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[20:30] baudehlo: but i'm not sure. The docs use a private entry on http.server.
[20:31] baudehlo: which ... seems dumb.
[20:31] zach_: would it be possible to pull a fd out of a socket, send it to the child then rebuild it using new net.Socket({fd: sendHandle}) ? i don't know how to get a sockets fd...
[20:32] zach_: yes it that seemed dumd to me as well :S
[20:32] zach_: *dumb
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[20:37] trose: hey I'm using node's fs library to open a file. I'm using the synchronous function data = fs.readFile(file_path); and my file_path is definitely correct. However I'm getting data = undefined. Any ideas what could cause this?
[20:37] xerox: readFile is not sync
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[20:37] xerox: readFileSync is
[20:38] xerox: readFile expects a callback, and gives the data to it
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[20:38] trose: xerox, shit you're right
[20:38] trose: son of a bitch :P
[20:38] xerox: shit!
[20:38] xerox: xD
[20:38] trose: thanks xerox 
[20:39] trose: it's been a long day
[20:39] isaacs: dherman: in non-strict mode script tags cause "onscript" events, not cdata events
[20:39] xerox: sure trose
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[20:39] zach_: baudehlo: would i be able to create a similar system where the child listens on a unix socket path instead?
[20:40] zach_: or is it simply impossible to do something like this in 0.5? :S
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[20:40] dherman: isaacs: oh, wow!
[20:40] dherman: <script> tags are special?
[20:40] baudehlo: I'm the wrong person to ask about 0.5 - I'm still bitter about the pandering to the windows crowd about it all, and removing solid Unix functionality :)
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[20:42] relative: @stagas are you there?
[20:42] xerox: are you guys following the order in the topic
[20:42] zach_: makes sense ;)
[20:42] AvianFlu: I've been running 0.5.10 as my main install since about friday
[20:42] isaacs: dherman: in non-strict mode, yeah
[20:42] isaacs: dherman: they allow < and > and whatnot
[20:43] xerox: AvianFlu: were you on unstable before friday?
[20:43] baudehlo: I can't upgrade to 0.5.10 because fd passing and pipe() creation got broke.
[20:43] isaacs: dherman: if you run your code in strict mode, you'll get what you expect, though.  <script> is not supported in strict mode.
[20:43] AvianFlu: nope
[20:43] zach_: Does anyone know what exactly 'sendHandle' can be in the send-method for http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.5.10/api/child_processes.html#child_process.fork ?
[20:44] zach_: a filedescriptor? apparently it works for server._handle but not socket._handle ...
[20:44] AvianFlu: 0.5.10 is the only 0.5.x I've used heavily, the changes are surprisingly small
[20:44] AvianFlu: from an API-consumer standpoint, I should add!
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[20:45] xerox: good good
[20:45] CoverSlide: oh i missed the order
[20:45] CoverSlide: 
ACTION bows to king ryan

[20:45] dherman: isaacs: is there a description somewhere of the differences are between strict and non-strict?
[20:45] Aikar: man ruby sucks so hard o.o
[20:45] isaacs: dherman: not really
[20:46] dherman: k
[20:46] isaacs: dherman: but, basically, strict requires it to be valid xml, and non-strict doesn'
[20:46] isaacs: t
[20:46] isaacs: .
[20:46] baudehlo: zach_: from looking at the code, a socket's _handle should be the same as a http server's _handle.
[20:46] isaacs: dherman: use non-strict if you want to be ok with non-conforming xml
[20:46] dherman: right, I figured that,
[20:47] dherman: and I'd prefer to be permissive
[20:47] dherman: but I need to be able to get the contents of <script> tags
[20:47] dherman: does onscript understand nested CDATA?
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[20:48] dherman: ah, I see, it doesn't recognize it as CDATA
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[20:48] zach_: baudehlo: using this code http://jsfiddle.net/yUyqj/1/ i see that the child only receives a object with a writeQueueSize property, everything else is lost.
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[20:51] zach_: It seems sendHandle is specifically made for sending nothing but server._handle...
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[20:52] CIA-48: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * rc5d5401 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
[20:52] CIA-48: node: node cluster is now a module instead of CLI interface
[20:52] CIA-48: node: This is to make room for master process plugins instead of adding CLI
[20:52] CIA-48: node: options as proposed in #1879. - http://git.io/Dk_pag
[20:52] ryah: tjholowaychuk: -^
[20:52] tjholowaychuk: woot
[20:53] zach_: wait what, cluster is part of node now?
[20:53] baudehlo: zach_: the test in the node test suite just uses a net.Server
[20:53] xerox: zach_: say what
[20:53] baudehlo: zach_: so I suggest you copy that and start from there.
[20:54] baudehlo: it's test/simple/test-child-process-fork2.js
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[20:54] baudehlo: and test/fixtures/fork2.js
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[20:55] zach_: cool, i'll take a look
[20:55] xerox: nice
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[20:57] zach_: xerox: i meant the commit just now, is the cluster module mentioned https://github.com/LearnBoost/cluster or something else?
[20:57] CIA-48: libuv: 03Igor Zinkovsky 07master * r314d0ee 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): windows: don't fail uv_listen with UV_EALREADY if already listening. fixes #227. - http://git.io/h3rKBQ
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[20:57] xerox: zach_: yeah
[20:57] zach_: yeah? to which one :b
[20:58] xerox: your question
[20:58] xerox: how cute is this line https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/c5d54010bc9f69bf6ccc85ed38d004a9d3b5fdcf#L1R87
[20:59] zach_: but it was an A or B question. not yes/no... 
[20:59] xerox: is it, yes it is :P
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[21:00] ee77ee: Hi there. How do I use the git version of some module? I need a special feature but NPM only lists an older version. Can anybody help?
[21:00] zach_: what? xD is it something else or the leanboost-cluster?
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[21:01] isaacs: ee77ee: you can npm install a tarball or git url
[21:01] isaacs: ee77ee: or `npm submodule blah` if it lists a git repo, and then manage it that way.
[21:01] isaacs: ee77ee: but really, you should also bug the author to update.
[21:01] ee77ee: isaacs: Oh, I didn't know that. I'll try this. Thank you!
[21:01] xerox: zach_: the clue is that he highlighted tj :D
[21:01] ee77ee: *checking*
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[21:01] isaacs: ee77ee: it's listed in `npm faq`, along with lots of other good info :)
[21:02] jerrysv: or some of us just ask isaacs directly. makes him feel needed
[21:02] isaacs: jerrysv: i like getting people to read the docs, because then they can answer these sorts of questions.
[21:02] isaacs: jerrysv: it's nice to be needed, but it's nicer to build an army of helpers :);
[21:02] jerrysv: isaacs: i know, you've pointed me to plenty :)
[21:03] CoverSlide: you can take isaacs anywhere with you
[21:03] ee77ee: isaacs: Thanks!
[21:03] CoverSlide: `npm install isaacs`
[21:03] isaacs: hahah
[21:03] jerrysv: 
ACTION check npm

[21:03] isaacs: yeah ,that module is so strange.
[21:03] chilts: quick idiom question ... if I want to 'stream' files to Amazon S3, do I need to read up about streams, pipes or something else?
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[21:03] jerrysv: yup, there it is: http://search.npmjs.org/#/isaacs
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[21:06] chilts: ok, so streams it is (pipe seems to be both a method and an event) - I hope I'm right :)
[21:06] chilts: 
ACTION gets to it

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[21:15] quackquack: What special properties does an "index.js" file have?
[21:15] CoverSlide: absolutely nothing
[21:15] CoverSlide: basically. if you require('./dir/') you're requireing the index.js file inside
[21:15] quackquack: ah, ok then
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[21:16] quackquack: does it work w/ coffeescript files?
[21:17] CoverSlide: dkdc
[21:17] quackquack: ok then
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[21:27] wrongle: coffeescript lol
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[21:34] isaacs: quackquack: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.5.10/api/modules.html
[21:36] quackquack: isaacs: thanks!
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[21:42] SubStack: isaacs: are office hours going down today?
[21:43] isaacs: SubStack: yes, you coming?
[21:43] SubStack: yeps
[21:43] isaacs: awesome.
[21:43] isaacs: then yes, we're having it.
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[21:44] DoNaLd`: http://s.eeweb.com/comics/234_User_Interface-1319619113.png
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[21:46] danielss89: Hi
[21:46] danielss89: I'm trying to install npm through git, but i get this error when i make install: error:14090086:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify failed while accessing https://github.com/isa
[21:46] danielss89: acs/abbrev-js.git/info/refs
[21:47] isaacs: danielss89: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3777075/https-github-access
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[21:50] danielss89: isaacs: thx, this worked for me:export GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY=true
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[21:53] illumina: so mongoose is cool 'n all. but some of the subtle differences between the regular mongodb driver suck. like when handling sets it returns javascript array's not cursors
[21:53] illumina: just sayin
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[21:56] ekryski: does anyone know if with everyauth using the password strategy if you can register a user from two separate routes?  For example I have /register but let's say I also have /demo both of which I want to register an account
[21:56] illumina: I have no idea how everyauth works, but I'd be shocked if you can't somehow do that
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[21:57] ekryski: You'd think so but when diverging from the regular usage of password in everyauth you end up having to overwrite a lot of code.
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[22:00] ekryski: everyauth is really good except for the password module imo.  I really like the fact that you can use multiple auth strategies for the same account but the password module is frustrating.
[22:02] danielss89: umm isaacs trying to install socket.io but get a loooong error message, and it says that i should report it to your email, you want a look now?
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[22:02] danielss89: http://pastebin.com/7rx0WPkS
[22:02] `3rdEden: danielss89 update your tar
[22:02] `3rdEden: to the latest version
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[22:03] danielss89: umm shouldn't "yum" do that(cents) automaticlt when i run update?
[22:03] danielss89: centos*
[22:03] danielss89: `3rdEden: when i run update tar its up to date
[22:04] `3rdEden: See https://github.com/LearnBoost/socket.io/issues/456#issuecomment-1809951
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[22:07] jerrysv: danielss89: there is no such thing as a truly up to date centos server
[22:07] danielss89: wget ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/gnu/tar/tar-1.26.tar.gz;D
[22:07] danielss89: ;D
[22:07] danielss89: jerrysv: hehe guess thats true
[22:08] `3rdEden: jerrysv it's so that that it's actually sad
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[22:08] jerrysv: `3rdEden: some people call it "stability". i call it a lot of packages to compile by hand
[22:09] `3rdEden: I call it starting off with a wrong linux distribution
[22:09] danielss89: which one is better?
[22:09] `3rdEden: debian, but i'm starting to love solaris more and more :$
[22:10] jerrysv: i lost my love affair with solaris years and years ago. even gave away my e4500
[22:11] CoverSlide: boo debian
[22:11] CoverSlide: yay arch
[22:11] jocafa: boo windows
[22:11] jocafa: just because
[22:11] jerrysv: back after sunos 5.1.7 (solaris 2.7 (branded solaris 7)) came out
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[22:12] hipsterslapfight: i started off with slackware 12 or so years ago, that wasn't the best introduction to linux
[22:13] zach_: is the new cluster module based off learnboost/cluster?
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[22:14] danielss89: umm http://npm.mape.me/ is that official ?
[22:14] mape: danielss89: no, it is broken and old
[22:14] mape: use http://search.npmjs.org
[22:14] danielss89: super.. thx
[22:15] mape: there, now it should redirect automagicly
[22:15] EyePulp: zach_: it doesn't appear to be
[22:16] zach_: a'ight, just wondering (:
[22:16] CoverSlide: they should've named it differently to avoid confusion
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[22:38] zach_: from looking at the code, i dont understand how the internal cluster module avoids an exception when workers try to listen at the same port. anyone know how? https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/lib/cluster.js
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[22:42] avdg2: did you check the net library? if its not there, its probably in the real core
[22:44] zach_: right you are. right there in net. thx :)
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[23:13] arian: (how) is it possible to run a server with 'node app.js' and then give instructions with another terminial window 'node app.js dothing' which executes something with the first running server (for example give some response)
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[23:16] stephank: arian: When app.js starts, it should check for a running instance, and send your command there. You basically need (to decide on) a known location of a unix socket, for example. Haven't looked, but doesn't sound far fetched for someone to have already made a library for that.
[23:16] ashb: arian: unix socket, named SHM, listen on known port would be the usual approaches
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[23:17] arian: right thanks, i'll look into Unix socket and SHM 
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[23:42] CIA-48: node: 03Tj Holowaychuk 07master * r528c285 10/ (doc/api/cluster.markdown lib/cluster.js): 
[23:42] CIA-48: node: cluster: Add some docs, improve cluster.isWorker()
[23:42] CIA-48: node: Fixes #1949. - http://git.io/XrbjJw
[23:43] mape: tjholowaychuk: moving cluster into core?
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[23:45] jerrysv: mape: different cluster
[23:45] mape: oh k
[23:45] tjholowaychuk: mape just the basic parts
[23:45] tjholowaychuk: to facilitate the rest
[23:46] mape: sneaky
[23:46] jerrysv: mape: see https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/lib/cluster.js
[23:46] jerrysv: and yeah, he is a sneaky one
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[23:52] EyePulp: hey tjholowaychuk - I'm running 0.4.12 and the latest version of cluster.  I'm using the reload() plugin, and it *seems* to restart workers when I make changes it detects, but it doesn't seem to be running the new code (just adding console.log() statements to test).  Any sage wisdom?
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[23:54] maushu: I don't grok the key authentication of ssh.
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[23:55] maushu: I understand the key exchange... but after that...
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