[00:00] SubStack: yeah I might just leave x-real-ip as a user code problem
[00:00] SubStack: since border proxies will be messing with it anyways
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[00:00] SubStack: I'll just make an example that sets x-real-ip
[00:00] AvianFlu: border proxies? you mean like lassie?
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[00:01] isaacs: SubStack: well, it'd be easy to do the set-if-unset thing by default.
[00:01] isaacs: SubStack: and that's what squid, nginx, and haproxy all do, i believe.
[00:01] SubStack: meh
[00:02] SubStack: I have no desire to be like those
[00:02] SubStack: somebody can just roll a library for nested proxies that uses bouncy
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[00:04] jhurliman: isaacs, no love on X-Forwarded-For or X-Real-IP, no.de isn't setting either of them
[00:04] isaacs: jhurliman: if you're behind one of the proxies, you're definitely getting x-forwarded-for
[00:05] jhurliman: this is JSON.stringify(req.headers): https://gist.github.com/1297119
[00:05] SubStack: o_O
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[00:07] jhurliman: req.socket.remoteAddress == 10.2.129.127
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[00:11] isaacs: jhurliman: what zone?
[00:11] isaacs: what hostname?
[00:11] jhurliman: ur.no.de, i don't know what the answer is to the first question
[00:11] isaacs: same thing, really
[00:13] isaacs: oh, shoot.  it's behind a config flag now.
[00:13] jhurliman: you can go to that page and see it's a simple nodejs app that logs a string into redis when you make a request and prints out the 20 most recent requests
[00:13] isaacs: just a sec.
[00:13] jhurliman: ty
[00:13] isaacs: gonna fix it.
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[00:15] isaacs: jhurliman: try now
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[00:19] jhurliman: isaacs, do i need to do anything like push a new version of my app?
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[00:19] isaacs: jhurliman: nope
[00:19] isaacs: jhurliman: was a change to the proxy, not to your server.
[00:19] jhurliman: i tried refreshing http://ur.no.de/ and it seems to be printing out the same ip and same headers
[00:21] isaacs: no, wait, it should be true by default....
[00:21] isaacs:   options.enableXForwarded =
[00:21] isaacs:     (undefined === options.enableXForwarded ? true : options.enableXForwarded);
[00:21] DTrejo: just mostly read http://joyeur.com/2011/10/15/why-is-my-mac-slow-top-10-dtrace-tune-up-tips-for-os-x/#more-3226, was pretty interesting
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[00:27] isaacs: jhurliman: figured it out
[00:27] isaacs: req.connection is set, but req.connection.socket isn't
[00:27] isaacs: and it's testing for both.
[00:27] jhurliman: aha
[00:28] jhurliman: req.socket is the same as req.connection.socket, or no?
[00:28] isaacs: no
[00:28] isaacs: er, yes, but req.socket isn't set on the version of node that we're using, and nether is req.connection.socket
[00:29] jhurliman: ahh
[00:29] jhurliman: this seems kind of tricky to write secure code for. right now i'm using the line:
[00:29] jhurliman: var remoteAddress = req.headers['x-real-ip'] || req.headers['x-forwarded-for'] || req.socket.remoteAddress;
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[00:29] isaacs: jhurliman: you should have it now
[00:29] jhurliman: which is fine if you know for sure that there is a proxy sitting in front of you that is setting one of those two headers. but if that's not the case, an attacker could send one of those headers to spoof their identity
[00:29] jhurliman: checking
[00:30] jhurliman: success! ty isaacs
[00:30] isaacs: jhurliman: yes, that is correct.
[00:30] jhurliman: going to ignore the potential hole for now and assume there is going to be a proxy sitting in front of me on ur.no.de
[00:30] isaacs: there will be.
[00:30] jhurliman: cool
[00:31] isaacs: jhurliman: but, in general, you should never rely on any particular header any more than you should rely on query string or anything else the user sends you
[00:31] elliottcable: isaacs:  All set! Tests running now.
[00:31] elliottcable: isaacs:  do you think a “contributing to Node” guide would be well-received? I’d love to save others the quantity of time I spent figuring a lot of this out.
[00:31] isaacs: elliottcable: we have one, if you wanna add to it, that'd be good
[00:31] isaacs: i think it's in the wiki
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[00:33] elliottcable: isaacs:  yeah, it was pretty useless :D
[00:33] elliottcable: I meant more of a … coherent tutorial / written-guide, as opposed to a list of to-think-about’s.
[00:34] isaacs: elliottcable: sure
[00:34] isaacs: go nuts
[00:34] elliottcable: ^‿^
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[00:34] jhurliman: isaacs, understood, but the ip address of the requesting client is one of those things that *should* be 99.9% verifiable (ignoring more complex tcp attacks). but if you're in a scenario where you aren't sure about your server setup (there may or may not be machines in between you and the client) that's no longer the case. either way this is just a silly sandbox for me, not a big deal
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[00:35] isaacs: jhurliman: the req.connection.remoteAddress is reliable.  the x-forwarded-for header is not, necessarily
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[00:36] isaacs: jhurliman: a more comprehensive test would be to make sure that req.connection.remoteAddress is the address of the proxy (or just some non-public 10.*.*.* address) and then trust the x-forwarded if so
[00:36] jhurliman: that's a good idea
[00:37] jhurliman: if (isPrivateIP(req.connection.remoteAddress)) { req.connection.remoteAddress = req.headers['x-forwarded-for']; } or something like that
[00:37] isaacs: when i was at yahoo, our hacked apache build had a list of all the ip patterns that were "internal" and if the x-real-ip wasn't set, and the remote address was something external, it'd set x-real-ip to that, and then internally you'd just *always* look at that header.
[00:38] isaacs: jhurliman: you might break something setting that field, though ;)
[00:38] jhurliman: ah yeah
[00:39] elliottcable: isaacs:  `git remote add elliottcable git://github.com/elliottcable/node.git && git fetch elliottcable`
[00:39] elliottcable: isaacs:  `git checkout master && git cherry-pick --signoff 3fe6685..61ade85`
[00:39] elliottcable: isaacs:  did everything ryah’d suggested, and made ccplint pass
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[00:40] isaacs: sweet.
[00:40] elliottcable: or rather, er, pass everything it had previously passed (god, there are a lot of failures D:)
[00:40] elliottcable: I already merged everything into two clean commits
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[00:40] elliottcable: they reference the originals on the offchance that anyone in the future cares, but there should be no cruft in there.
[00:40] elliottcable: <3 git
[00:40] purr: Let it be known that elliottcable hearts git.
[00:40] isaacs: elliottcable: this on a branch or something?
[00:41] elliottcable: isaacs:  nope, the new ready-for-Node-master commits are in my master
[00:41] isaacs: oh, right with the ` things
[00:41] elliottcable: I just put the correct commit IDs right in that command
[00:41] elliottcable: should be all golden for copy-paste as long as you have a clean working tree / nothing to lose by jumping around branches
[00:41] elliottcable: also, you need a fairly recent `git` for `git cherry-pick a..b` to work correctly; it would silently fail in older `git`s.
[00:42] isaacs: i've got my own shorthands and stuff.  thanks, though :)
[00:42] elliottcable: hahaha okay
[00:42] elliottcable: I wasn’t sure how git-savvy you were. No offense intended if you know your shit ^‿^
[00:43] elliottcable: then just close the pureq, and I’ll leave a comment on it mentioning that we’re going to continue the rest of the discussion on the mailing list, regarding how to fix “copy-back”
[00:43] elliottcable: for 0.7+
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[00:43] elliottcable: @herby (I think?) brought up an interesting possibility; of actually patching `v8` to understand “SetGlobal” or similar
[00:43] elliottcable: then we wouldn’t need any prototype hackery *and* we would receive all changes dynamically.
[00:44] elliottcable: I’m not familiar enough with the internals of `v8` yet to be sure that’s possible; they could be doing some optimizations to the relationship between their odd global_proxy and the global-object they create
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[00:44] elliottcable: but failing that, it’d be a pretty nice solution, for *us*.
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[00:45] isaacs: elliottcable: looks like you removed a few tests?
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[00:46] elliottcable: mmhmm, duplications. The commit message covers that.
[00:46] isaacs: k
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[00:48] isaacs: elliottcable: some curly-quotes in src/node_script.c
[00:48] elliottcable: crap, really?
[00:48] isaacs: elliottcable: no non-ascii chars in source unless absolutely necessary.
[00:48] isaacs: yeah
[00:48] elliottcable: thought I caught the Unicode.
[00:48] elliottcable: yeah, hold on, fixin’ that.
[00:48] isaacs: k
[00:48] elliottcable: Going to force-push over my master.
[00:48] elliottcable: just in commentary, yes?
[00:48] isaacs: you can just push a fixup commit
[00:48] isaacs: i'm gonna squash these two anyway
[00:49] elliottcable: ah? I thought they were fairly worthy of being kept separate
[00:49] elliottcable: I squashed everything else together.
[00:49] isaacs: same issue.
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[00:50] DTrejo: question about memory usage in node: if I make an event emitter, and then it emits the complete event, and never will emit another event, does it get gc'd and all that? or does it stick around. I'd think it would get gc'd?
[00:50] isaacs: DTrejo: do youhave any references to it?
[00:50] DTrejo: I don't think so
[00:50] isaacs: DTrejo: if oyu can reach it, it won't get gc'ed
[00:50] DTrejo: hmm, ok
[00:50] isaacs: or if anything reachable can reach it
[00:50] DTrejo: is there any good way to profile memory usage of node apps?
[00:51] isaacs: including function bodies that you have a reference to the function
[00:51] jocafa: Anyone feel like doing a conceptual sanity check on a library I just started?
[00:51] DTrejo: hmm, will need to look at my code and double check this
[00:51] elliottcable: isaacs:  done '^_^
[00:52] isaacs: thanks
[00:52] jocafa: It's under 150 loc
[00:53] DTrejo: jocafa: sure?
[00:53] jocafa: https://github.com/jocafa/Neuron
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[00:54] DTrejo: jocafa: no readme!
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[00:54] jocafa: See test.js
[00:55] DTrejo: jocafa: I don't really understand what it's supposed to do: make it easy to write complex series/parallel execution of functions?
[00:56] jocafa: It's an event system that fires everything asynchronously and can branch... like neurons :)
[00:57] DTrejo: sounds interseting to me
[00:57] DTrejo: sanity check passed
[00:57] whse: so.. beyond.. the existing event system...
[00:57] kurmangazy: I set up a github repository for my node.js XML parsing framework, saxn: https://github.com/NealB/saxn
[00:57] jocafa: (instead of bubble/capture and synchronously iterating through listeners)
[00:57] DTrejo: whse: jocafa so it makes it easier to have branching built in somehow
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[00:58] jocafa: Yeah
[00:58] scott_gonzalez: is there a way to read from stdin, but not have the characters show up as the user types?
[00:58] jocafa: And prevents feedback loops
[00:59] jocafa: Considering adding configurable throttling
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[01:03] DTrejo: scott_gonzalez: like for a password entry thing? no idea
[01:03] scott_gonzalez: yeah
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[01:03] DTrejo: i haven't seen any node module do it
[01:04] SubStack: scott_gonzalez: there is indeed
[01:04] CIA-48: node: 03elliottcable 07 * r200df86 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[01:04] CIA-48: node: Fix #1801 vm: Use 'sandbox' as global_prototype
[01:04] CIA-48: node: Squashed commit:
[01:04] CIA-48: node: (- re tests) Cleaning up the `Script` test suite.
[01:04] CIA-48: node: For whatever reason, there were several duplicate test files related to `Script`
[01:04] CIA-48: node: and the `'vm'` module. I removed these, and fixed a few other small issues.
[01:04] CIA-48: node: (More fixes coming in subsequent commits.)
[01:05] isaacs: elliottcable: thanks
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[01:06] scott_gonzalez: SubStack: got an example?
[01:06] SubStack: scott_gonzalez: just search for terminal echo off
[01:06] isaacs: elliottcable: does the test you added cover the issues that you mentioned?
[01:07] SubStack: oh sweet
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[01:07] SubStack: scott_gonzalez: stty -echo
[01:07] SubStack: and stty echo to turn it back on again
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[01:08] scott_gonzalez: just exec that or is there something in the TTY module to handle it?
[01:08] elliottcable: isaacs:  it’s not *exhaustive*, but it does basically test whether it’s updated somewhat dynamicly.
[01:09] elliottcable: isaacs:  it doesn’t *directly* check if it’s set as the prototype, though. It should continue passing if you decided to switch things over to using a proxy or similar.
[01:09] isaacs: but you didn't add a test for getter/setters on the context?  i mean, i'm seeing that it works now, but the ratchet is nice.
[01:09] SubStack: scott_gonzalez: tty.setRawMode(true) seems to turn it off
[01:09] scott_gonzalez: SubStack: thanks, I'll test it out
[01:09] isaacs: elliottcable: we should just have a test that shows that the behavior works as intended, walking up the proto isn't necessary.
[01:10] elliottcable: isaacs:  yes, that’s what I thought.
[01:10] Daegalus: Can anyone here help me with some jquery? its not related to Node though.
[01:10] elliottcable: isaacs:  and I didn’t think of testing getters/setters; I had forgotten that someone was complaining about the missing of that functionality.
[01:10] elliottcable: isaacs:  should be a fairly easy test to write, but I’m about to walk AFK
[01:10] elliottcable: ’s soon as my iPhone is finished restoring >,<
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[01:13] scott_gonzalez: haha, ctrl+c no longer kills the script in raw mode
[01:13] isaacs: elliottcable: kewl, no rush
[01:13] isaacs: but, for instance, 1105 is not affectedby this.
[01:13] isaacs: > vm.runInContext('foo', vm.createContext({foo: "bar"}))
[01:13] isaacs: 'bar'
[01:13] isaacs: > vm.runInContext('foo', vm.createContext(Object.create({foo: "bar"})))
[01:13] isaacs: ReferenceError: foo is not defined
[01:14] isaacs: er, wait...
[01:14] deedubs: anyone have a suggestion for a validation framework other than https://github.com/chriso/node-validator
[01:14] isaacs: yeah, it's not.  ok
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[01:15] jocafa: I'm doing some fun TTY stuff in my term ui project that may help. https://github.com/jocafa/node-term-ui/blob/master/TermUI.coffee
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[01:18] CIA-48: node: 03isaacs 07 * rb70fed4 10/ (doc/api/repl.markdown lib/repl.js test/common.js): (log message trimmed)
[01:18] CIA-48: node: Don't use a separate context for the repl.
[01:18] CIA-48: node: Fix #1484
[01:18] CIA-48: node: Fix #1834
[01:18] CIA-48: node: Fix #1482
[01:18] CIA-48: node: Fix #771
[01:18] CIA-48: node: It's been a while now, and we've seen how this separate context thing
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[01:20] konobi: jocafa: no node-curses love?
[01:21] jocafa: I was approaching from a web ui perspective :)
[01:22] whse: wow, suprised somone actually /found/ my nide GNTP library on github lol.
[01:22] russfrank: nide?
[01:22] whse: first problem: hes on windows :p
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[01:36] nroot7: What is the difference between <someobject>.on('event') vs <someobject>.addListener('event')
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[01:37] jocafa: Nothing
[01:38] jocafa: .on is just a shortcut
[01:38] nroot7: ok
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[05:02] captain__: @hij1nx any thoughts on using @ for attribute assignment in weld?
[05:02] hij1nx: captain_morgan: major refactor in progress
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[05:03] hij1nx: captain_morgan: you'll be able to use any css3 selector to access tags inside your template
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[05:04] captain_morgan: nice
[05:04] hij1nx: captain_morgan: a little busy with nodejitsu core product right now. shouldn't be too long though.
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[05:06] captain_morgan: is that the vision branch?
[05:06] hij1nx: no
[05:07] hij1nx: captain_morgan: its in a separate project that is not public yet. its part of a larger release/bigger project.
[05:07] hij1nx: thats all i can say ;)
[05:07] hij1nx: for now
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[05:11] DTrejo: hij1nx: we eagerly await.
[05:11] hij1nx: DTrejo: ;o)
[05:12] DTrejo: any sense of the timeline? or just plain not to be rushed
[05:13] AvianFlu: where codename: awesomesauce is concerned, time will stand in line to wait for us!
[05:13] hij1nx: DTrejo: we are unveiling the entire project at SWDC2001
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[05:13] hij1nx: er
[05:13] hij1nx: haha
[05:13] hij1nx: SWDC2011
[05:13] DTrejo: cool
[05:14] hij1nx: AvianFlu: codename: awesomesauce (official) ;)
[05:15] DTrejo: this? http://swdc-central.com/dyncon2011/speakers.html
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[05:15] hij1nx: http://swdc.se/2011/
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[05:18] hij1nx: conf + Maximum Ogdon = high quality conf.
[05:18] hij1nx: s/Ogdon/Ogden
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[05:35] davidvip: hi all
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[05:35] davidvip: use Valgrind to check node memory leak (http://valgrind.org/docs/manual/quick-start.html#quick-start.mcrun), found 512 bytes in 8 blocks. anyone confirming this?
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[05:40] AvianFlu: how were you running it?
[05:40] konobi: valgrind may be a false negative
[05:40] davidvip: valgrind --leak-check=full --show-reachable=yes node myprogram.js
[05:41] davidvip: konobi: kindly explain
[05:41] konobi: does valgrind understand the full implications of how v8 does GC and all the micro optimizations it's doing underneath?
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[05:43] davidvip: yeah that make sense
[05:43] konobi: davidvip: if you want to find memory leaks in your node code, use node-inspector and the heap profiler
[05:44] davidvip: konobi: thanks for the tip
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[05:49] corsec: Using the connect middleware/framework, whats the best way to store a value for use by later bits of middleware?
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[05:52] stagas: corsec: in req or res
[05:55] corsec: stagas: i am, im setting req.myVar = 'myValue', but my test middleware directly after it reports the value as undefined
[05:56] stagas: corsec: that's odd perhaps you're calling next() before the value is set?
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[06:06] eddyb: is anyone here familiar with calipso?
[06:06] eddyb: I can't get it to work properly
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[06:11] CIA-48: node: 03koichik 07 * r6a72e52 10/ src/node_buffer.cc : 
[06:11] CIA-48: node: buffer: use NO_NULL_TERMINATION flag
[06:11] CIA-48: node: Refs #394.
[06:11] CIA-48: node: Fixes #1902. - http://git.io/7LewGA
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[06:40] AAA_awright: eddyb: Node.js really isn't the right type of framework for a traditional CMS, I should know, I'm writing one
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[06:40] eddyb: AAA_awright: what are you writing?
[06:41] AAA_awright: Actually more of a framework, that happens to come with an application that serves HTTP webpages (though it could very well serve other things)
[06:41] AAA_awright: http://magnode.org/
[06:41] smathy: AAA_awright… by putting the word "traditional" in there, you've automatically validated your own argument.
[06:42] AAA_awright: Not in that sense, then, I mean in the sense that you can make a database query, send it to a template engine, generate a webpage and spit it out
[06:42] eddyb: AAA_awright: ok, so yours is nice
[06:42] eddyb: and somewhat more developed
[06:42] eddyb: can I suggest adding a theme :P ?
[06:42] AAA_awright: You _can_ like calipso seems to be doing but I don't think it's _wise_
[06:43] SubStack: frameworks are like when somebody hands you an unfinished project and says "here, finish this for me"
[06:43] AAA_awright: It's barely developed at all actually, ha
[06:43] SubStack: frameworks are really weird
[06:43] T-Co: AAA_awright, A pointer. If you're marketing a CMS for Web 3.0 you should really make an effort to look more like it too :) The website is *krhm* how would I put it... A little 90s style :D
[06:44] AAA_awright: My idea is create a framework that you can use to take inputs like database resources, an HTTP request object, a database row that describes a Blog entry, and so on, and produce a particular type of output that the browser asks for (usually text/html)
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[06:44] AAA_awright: Web 3.0 seems to mean different things to different people, I mean the semantic web.
[06:44] AAA_awright: There's no theming that comes with it really... But I'm open to suggestions!
[06:44] T-Co: AAA_awright, Those two are not mutually exclusive, though
[06:45] T-Co: :)
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[06:45] zilch_: Hi Everyone 
[06:46] AAA_awright: While that's a fully functioning backend that's serving the website, it's not in a state where I can even edit the content easily... but for now the real documentation is at http://magnode.org/doc/en/
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[06:47] SubStack: I want there to be so many libraries at so many different levels of abstraction that frameworks are entirely irrelevant
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[06:47] AAA_awright: Oh, and once you have the framework, use it to create a simple, maybe hundred-line app/executible that works by default for HTTP
[06:47] AvianFlu: SubStack++
[06:47] v8bot_:  AvianFlu has given a beer to SubStack. SubStack now has 11 beers.
[06:47] SubStack: I'll call it the "npm framework"
[06:47] SubStack: just type npm init to get started
[06:47] zilch_: I am looking for job based on my experience with node.js and mongodb - with expectation that I will be able to devote my time ( 10 hr/week ) for my reasearch work !!
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[06:47] zilch_: what are the right places to search for 
[06:47] T-Co: AAA_awright, I like the synergy you have!
[06:48] zilch_: any suggestions from community
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[06:49] AAA_awright: SubStack: You have to have the libraries first, which I'm finding out don't really exist for what I'm doing. Not for my transform idea I've developed, not for RDF or triple stores
[06:49] T-Co: zilch_, I would like that kind of a job too!
[06:49] SubStack: then build them?
[06:49] SubStack: then everybody can benefit
[06:49] AAA_awright: Exactly
[06:49] SubStack: not just the users of a framework
[06:49] AAA_awright: I have two libraries as submodules for that purpose
[06:49] SubStack: submodules -_-
[06:49] T-Co: zilch_, I actually sent email to &yet, not heard from those guys, though. Propably won't either because I'm from Finland :)
[06:50] SubStack: oh unless you mean in the non-git sense
[06:50] AAA_awright: Well hey, it lets you publish a package without the rest of the framework
[06:50] AAA_awright: No, in the GIt sense
[06:50] SubStack: -_-
[06:50] guybrush: SubStack: using the same style/libs project after project is like a framework somehow - others would call it boilerplate or sth
[06:50] AAA_awright: They're pretty awesome I think
[06:50] SubStack: why not package.json dependencies?
[06:50] SubStack: those are so much better in every way
[06:50] AAA_awright: That's npm-specific
[06:50] AAA_awright: Not everyone uses npm remember?
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[06:51] guybrush: what? who doesnt?
[06:51] AAA_awright: At least I don't
[06:51] guybrush: you should :D
[06:51] zilch_: AAA_awright, using npm is highly recommended , right?
[06:51] SubStack: yes
[06:51] AAA_awright: I've been there before.
[06:51] AAA_awright: No
[06:51] AAA_awright: Noooooo
[06:51] SubStack: concurrent versioning
[06:51] SubStack: do eeeet
[06:51] zilch_: AAA_awright, what are your reason not to use it ?
[06:52] SubStack: use npm so your software doesn't break
[06:52] SubStack: and so others can use it
[06:52] AAA_awright: Git clone works just fine, especially since node_modules
[06:52] SubStack: if I can't `npm install` your thing I am not even going to care what it does
[06:53] guybrush: well its all about nodes awesome module-system, npm just makes handling it _very_ easy and thus fun
[06:53] AAA_awright: My reason is mostly historical, back when npm was a useless peice of crap that installed dozens of files to system directories that just appended values to "require.paths".
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[06:53] AAA_awright: npm still can't figure out how to use symlinks in any beneficial way so I'm happy to do that by hand instead
[06:54] SubStack: npm link
[06:54] guybrush: symlinks inside modules?
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[06:55] AAA_awright: No, symlinking module -> module.src/lib/ and module.src/lib/index.js -> (mainwhatever.js)
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[06:55] AAA_awright: If people weren't already doing that
[06:55] AAA_awright: (Which you really should be using index.js)
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[06:55] AAA_awright: That lets you call require('module/subfile') too
[06:56] guybrush: right i like index.js - though its not an argument against npm :p
[06:56] SubStack: why would you even want to do that
[06:56] AvianFlu: that sounds like linking in a circle to require something you can already see
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[06:57] zilch_: T-Co, how finland has not to go with &yet ?
[06:58] AAA_awright: ... Because it's better?
[06:58] T-Co: zilch_, I just figure that an US based company propably will hire native first...
[06:59] guybrush: it would be cool to have only very tiny modules (like 140byt.es) which depend on each other :D
[06:59] zilch_: T-Co, ah ... but they do sponsor visas with work permits , right ?
[07:00] T-Co: zilch_, Ah, but I won't be moving anywhere :)
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[07:00] konobi: AAA_awright: npm has a way of specifying the "main" file in package.json
[07:00] AAA_awright: Which is now a part of Node.js core, in the require() code
[07:01] AAA_awright: Isn't that just fantastic?
[07:01] JSManiacs: zilch_: Companies in the US tend to not sponsor visas unless they know the person being hired
[07:01] JSManiacs: zilch_: as in they know it will be a slam dunk
[07:02] konobi: *shrug* patches welcome =0)
[07:04] AAA_awright: The two big current issues I have (1) A single global namespace, (2) It has some notion of "engines" which aren't "packages" even though it's semantically exactly the same thing 
[07:05] SubStack: the engine field is just to signify what versions of node your package works in
[07:05] AAA_awright: (2) is just an oversight, that's fine, but (1) I can't tolerate for reasons relating to growing an ecosystem of packages specific to my mine
[07:05] zilch_: JSManiacs, guess if you have strong coding displayed on github ( hanging on the rim ) and created few popular modules ( broke the glassses ) ... you are slamdunk !!
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[07:05] AAA_awright: Oh, what I was trying to do is integrate a package manager into an interface
[07:06] garrensmith: is anyone else getting these errors with npm async@0.1.12 package.json: bugs['web'] should probably be bugs['url']
[07:06] T-Co: AAA_awright, You propably know. Is it possible to proxy socket connections trough nginx?
[07:07] konobi: _maybe_ there was a version released recently that has keep-alive support to backends
[07:07] AAA_awright: But without any way to say "Depends on https://github.com/felixge/node-mysql as 'mysql'" there's very little ways for me to go
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[07:07] AAA_awright: T-Co: Yeah, I use that, I have four instances of Magnode running behind Nginx to serve that
[07:07] AAA_awright: Which is way overkill but I have to make sure it works
[07:08] T-Co: AAA_awright, Sure
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[07:12] JSManiacs: zilch_: A great point.  Your best bet is to shoot for a larger company with dedicated HR that is setup to sponsor H1B visas
[07:12] AAA_awright: T-Co: If you read that documentation I linked to http://magnode.org/doc/en/ let me know if it's too much to wrap one's head around
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[07:12] AAA_awright: My transforms process is very intuitive... _to me_
[07:13] AAA_awright: But maybe because I spent all summer developing it
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[07:38] [AD]Turbo: hi there
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[07:40] martin_sunset: Any vows, NPm experts here? My vows works great when called standalone but fails miserably when invoked through NPm test. It blows at the require('vows') stage. Anyone encountered something like that?
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[07:41] T-Co: AAA_awright_, Intro was short enough and actually very good. Makes me want to read more. Continuing...
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[07:42] T-Co: AAA_awright_, The about part in between is a let down. Maybe move that to the end? I was not particularly interested so I skipped that altogether (others might just leave it to that and skip)
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[07:43] martin_sunset1: here is the build output: http://travis-ci.org/#!/scottyapp/mongoose-from-json-schema/builds/236807
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[07:47] T-Co: AAA_awright_, I got distracted. I will read further later...
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[07:57] zilch_: JSManiacs, it is really needed to be in US to be great coder and be great professional coder ? ... can you work from your fav country and telecommute ?
[07:57] zilch_: can't*
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[07:58] JSManiacs: zilch_: No it is not needed to be in the US, and absolutely there are amazing coders working as telecommuters all over the world.  For some reason I thought you were looking for visa sponsored jobs in the US
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[08:02] zilch_: JSManiacs, actually If I got out from my native I will have less time for research ( 10hr/week for next one year)  as I have to settle down/housekeeping etc. What I am looking for is exciting/pathbreaking work
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[08:56] Industrial: Anyone from Mongoose here?
[08:57] Industrial: If I want a default date that is equal to SQL NOW(), how do I do that?
[08:58] aaronmcadam: new Date
[08:58] aaronmcadam: Date.now @ Industrial 
[08:59] aaronmcadam: inside the Schema
[08:59] aaronmcadam: Industrial: var schema = new Schema( { timestamp : { type : Date, default : Date.now } });
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[09:16] Industrial: aaronmcadam: thanks
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[10:24] booo: hi, i need typed arrays for a opencl binding i try to write. any experience with typed arrays and integration into bindings? i only took a look at https://github.com/tlrobinson/v8-typed-array
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[10:34] Thomas`-: Would there be any reason why I shouldn't use ajax from Node to retrieve some json on an apache server running on the same machine?
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[10:43] kurokikaze: anyone else have problems with zlib default module?
[10:44] eddict: Thomas`-: the ajax would come from the browser though?
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[10:45] kurokikaze: It's worked for me but breaks when I try to use it from object method
[10:45] Thomas`-: eddict, loading jquery into Node then do $.ajax() type of thing
[10:45] eddict: simply calling a json api on an apache from node would be fine but i wouldnt call that ajax 
[10:45] eddict: hm 
[10:45] Glenjamin: Thomas`-: just use the http module
[10:45] Glenjamin: thats what its for
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[10:50] Thomas`-: Glenjamin, i see what you mean now
[10:50] Thomas`-: when im doing http.get( { host: 'www.mysite.com', port: 80, path: "/path/to/ajax.php" }, ...    should host be 'localhost'?
[10:51] eddict: this can depend on the apache listening on a explicit interface 
[10:51] eddict: save bet is to go with the ip its listening on 
[10:52] eddict: but on a default setup with one network interface localhost should be fine 
[10:53] Thomas`-: oh i see what you mean.  thanks eddict, thanks Glenjamin 
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[10:56] seqastian: ;)
[10:57] zilch_: Thomas`-, did I made sense ?
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[11:06] CIA-48: node: 03Thomas Parslow 07 * rb0f78af 10/ (src/node_http_parser.cc test/simple/test-http-patch.js): 
[11:06] CIA-48: node: http: Added support for HTTP PATCH verb
[11:06] CIA-48: node: Fixes #1907. - http://git.io/q15O7g
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[11:12] kurokikaze: damn
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[11:20] Thomas`-: zilch_, ?   I think I missed your question
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[11:22] lzskiss: aloha
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[11:27] zilch_: Thomas`-, reg uour query for AJAX request from node to your apache
[11:27] zilch_: I suggested http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.5.5/api/all.html#http.get
[11:29] Thomas`-: zilch_, yep thats what i decided to use. your response didn't come through on my end before, maybe bad connection problem :)
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[11:30] Thomas`-: but thanks tho
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[11:32] zilch_: Thomas`-, most welcome
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[11:34] martin_sunset: Any vows, NPm experts here today?
[11:35] mmalecki: martin_sunset: sup?
[11:35] martin_sunset: Hi mmalecki, 
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[11:35] martin_sunset: mmalecki:  when I run vows ..... My tests work
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[11:36] martin_sunset:  When I run NPm test with a script not so much fails at require vows
[11:36] mmalecki: martin_sunset: what is you test script entry in package.json?
[11:36] mmalecki: martin_sunset: oh, and are you using v0.5 node?
[11:37] martin_sunset: 0.4.12, and vows --spec spec/*.coffee
[11:38] mmalecki: martin_sunset: mind posting a log?
[11:38] mmalecki: it should work
[11:38] martin_sunset: mmalecki: 1 min, need to switch chats
[11:38] mmalecki: oh, wait, maybe you're running windows?
[11:38] martin_sunset: Nope , mac, and Travis
[11:39] mmalecki: hm. ok. should work.
[11:39] mmalecki: yeah, post a log and we can think about it
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[11:40] martin_sunset1: here is the travis log: http://travis-ci.org/#!/scottyapp/mongoose-from-json-schema/builds/236940
[11:40] martin_sunset: At the very bottom. Same behavior on the client, totally wired
[11:41] martin_sunset1: here is the source: https://github.com/scottyapp/mongoose-from-json-schema
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[11:43] mmalecki: martin_sunset: k, i'll brb
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[11:54] mmalecki: martin_sunset: hey, mind sending these logs again?
[11:54] mmalecki: I'm not sure how can I scroll text in irssi on mac
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[11:55] martin_sunset: One sec
[11:55] martin_sunset1: log http://travis-ci.org/#!/scottyapp/mongoose-from-json-schema/builds/236940
[11:55] martin_sunset1: src https://github.com/scottyapp/mongoose-from-json-schema
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[12:01] mmalecki: martin_sunset: looks like there's some syntax error
[12:01] mmalecki: but I'm not familiar with coffee script
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[12:02] martin_sunset: That coffeescript is fine, running the tests by calling vows in the she'll works, it only fails when invoked through NPm
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[12:02] martin_sunset: Which is what confuses me
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[12:03] mmalecki: martin_sunset: that's weird
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[12:04] martin_sunset: mmalecki: Totally - I am sure it's a trivial oversight, but I just can't find it
[12:05] mmalecki: martin_sunset: package.json looks fine
[12:05] mmalecki: martin_sunset: I'll try debugging it when I'm home
[12:05] martin_sunset: mmalecki: That's very nice of you, thank you
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[12:06] mmalecki: martin_sunset: np, I'm always happy to help
[12:06] mmalecki: martin_sunset: what's your timezone? will you be around in 5 hours or so?
[12:06] lmatteis: hi guys, i'm using node to scrape a site and navigate through its pagination and put data inside a database... after around 4 mins running through the pages the node process failts with a FATAL ERROR: CALL_AND_RETRY_2 Allocation failed - process out of memory
[12:06] lmatteis: how can i solve this? should i spawn a new node process for each page?
[12:07] lmatteis: how can i do that? what's the most "common-sense" solution?
[12:07] martin_sunset: Yeah, I am around, for at least 10 hours
[12:07] dexter_e: Which is the recommended reliable email smtp module ?
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[12:07] dexter_e: is it node_mailer or nodemailer or mailer
[12:07] mmalecki: martin_sunset: ok, great
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[12:11] lost|soul: hi
[12:12] lmatteis: hi guys, i'm using node to scrape a site and navigate through its pagination and put data inside a database... after around 4 mins running through the pages the node process failts with a FATAL ERROR: CALL_AND_RETRY_2 Allocation failed - process out of memory
[12:12] lost|soul: guys, i have a problem. with the current version of node.js (where node_events.h is apparently removed), i can't seem to build any modules because they depend on it
[12:12] lmatteis: how should i deal with this? can i spawn a new process?
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[12:18] Glenjamin: lmatteis: node has a 1GB heap limit
[12:18] Glenjamin: you'll have to keep an eye on your memory usage, and either make sure objects can be GCed, restart and continue, or use subprocesses in some way
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[12:20] lost|soul: where has node_events.h gone? is there a replacement that i can use? help?
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[12:26] Ang3: hey guys
[12:26] Ang3: is it possible to generate random url with express?
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[12:27] stsmith3: how should one signal the server (we're using cluster) to reopen log files? (trying to figure out log rotation)
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[12:28] stsmith3: hmm: https://github.com/LearnBoost/cluster/issues/5
[12:31] zilch_: dexter_e, I am using nodemailer ... works fine for me
[12:31] zilch_: Ang3, can you describe what exactly you want
[12:32] Ang3: of course. i wanna make a similar process as etherpad do : Connect to mysite.com redirect you to mysite.com/ARandomID
[12:33] Ang3: and connect to http://mysite.com/ARandomID show you the content of the past modification
[12:33] Ang3: corkboard also do this
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[12:34] Glenjamin: thats basically a "/:id" route
[12:34] Glenjamin: how you generate the token is up to you
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[12:35] lmatteis: guys
[12:35] lmatteis: im a little new with NPM
[12:36] lmatteis: i am cloning a project from github which is a fork of another npm project
[12:36] lmatteis: how do i use it so that it downloads all the npm dependencies?
[12:36] lmatteis: even though it's not actually in npm
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[12:37] Ang3: ok Glenjamin i gonna digg the token generation way :) 
[12:38] Ang3: my question was moreabout this than the route irself
[12:38] Ang3: garrensmith: Xchat?
[12:39] garrensmith: Ang3: cool thanks
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[12:48] zilch_: Ang3, token generation is easy with any random generation module, what is your specific needs ?
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[12:49] Ang3: just want to generate a random url id
[12:49] Ang3: nothing more
[12:49] Glenjamin: lmatteis: just do "npm install" in its root
[12:49] hazridi: I built node.js on debian unstable -- it worked, but I was getting node-waf errors until I changed a line in the wscript from path.append(sys.argv[0] + '/tools') to use os.getcwd() instead of sys.argv[0]... is there something I am missing?
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[12:51] Ang3: somethin like this seems to be ok zilch_ http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1349404/generate-a-string-of-5-random-characters-in-javascript
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[12:53] Glenjamin: Ang3: yeah, thats the best general approach
[12:53] Glenjamin: string of possible chars, pick at random from them
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[12:53] lmatteis: Glenjamin: yep thanks 
[12:54] lmatteis: Glenjamin: so by default npm installs the dependencies inside the project with a folder called node_modules as well
[12:54] zilch_: Ang3, I used http://www.enchantedage.com/node-mersenne
[12:55] zilch_: but any js shim is good i guess
[12:55] lmatteis: so there's like the regular node_modules and each library has its own node_modules dir for the dependencies, right?
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[12:56] Ang3: yeah zilch_ i saw it but i'll maybe ned letters as well
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[12:56] zilch_: Ang3, oh ! then custom function I guess :)
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[12:58] lmatteis: is there an easy way to create a child process?
[12:58] lmatteis: something like
[12:58] lmatteis: childProcess(function(){ console.log("im ran inside another process") });
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[13:05] martin_sunset: lmatteis: Look under child_processes in the node docs
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[13:06] martin_sunset: lmatteis: Or use forever if you need more sophistication
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[13:08] lmatteis: martin_sunset: i've read it, it's not that straightforward i guess
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[13:09] kuya: hello, did node get a tiny AMD define() implementation or am i remembering wrong?
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[13:09] lmatteis: martin_sunset: i gotta do some recursions... like i need to create child process at certain stages of my app
[13:09] martin_sunset: lmatteis: I send you a link to one of my projects that uses it, hold on for a sec
[13:09] lmatteis: and onces the process is done, do something else
[13:09] lmatteis: like instanciate a new process
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[13:10] martin_sunset: lmatteis:  actually hook io is great for that, but probably too complicated
[13:10] lmatteis: martin_sunset: i'd love some code samples
[13:11] martin_sunset: One sec, need tip switch from iPad chat to web chat....
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[13:14] martin_sunset: lmatteis: Ok, should be in a chat window near you
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[13:28] thinkjson: If I move the repo for a npm package, but republish under the same name, will it break existing installations?
[13:28] thinkjson: Or will they be able to update with no problen?
[13:28] thinkjson: *problem
[13:29] Aikar: thinkjson: only if the person did a special entry in their package.json to point to your repo instead of npm server
[13:29] Aikar: so, not likely
[13:29] trose: I'm getting an error trying to run the express hello world. "TypeError: Cannot read property 'prototype' of undefined" node: v0.5.10-pre express: v1.0.7 connect v0.5.10 any ideas?
[13:29] thinkjson: ok. sweet!
[13:29] Aikar: the repo field in package.json is mostly for information purposes
[13:29] trose: oop just saw there's an express channel
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[13:30] jf0x: @trose, you're running an unstable branch of node, howcome?
[13:30] Aikar: jf0x: cause that ver is about to be stable and its recommended to start updating your apps asap
[13:31] trose: jf0x, idk I just installed the latest I found
[13:31] trose: could that be the problem?
[13:31] Aikar: trose: those versions look old?
[13:31] Aikar: !npm info express
[13:31] jhbot: express by TJ Holowaychuk, version 2.4.7: Sinatra inspired web development framework
[13:32] Aikar: trose: update your express
[13:32] Aikar: npm install express
[13:34] trose: ah... express doesn't like that i have the unstable version of node
[13:34] trose: what's the easiest way to change the node installation? i think i did it weird/wrong the first time
[13:34] trose: 
ACTION is noob

[13:34] Aikar: theres a beta version 
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[13:34] Aikar: trose: npm install n -g
[13:34] Aikar: then n 0.4.12
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[13:35] Aikar: then you can use n to manage versions
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[13:35] Aikar: 'n latest' will take you back to latest unstable (for testing)
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[13:35] tuhoojabotti: n :u
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[13:35] trose: is there like n stable?
[13:35] Aikar: n:u too!
[13:36] Aikar: trose: maybe, never tried
[13:36] tuhoojabotti: I use nvm
[13:36] trose: is there a list of versions? it says 0.4.12 does not exist
[13:36] tuhoojabotti: nvm sync works for me
[13:37] tuhoojabotti: and then nvm list
[13:37] Aikar: n is tj style :P
[13:37] tuhoojabotti: What's that?
[13:38] Aikar: 'tj style' is usually said about stuff tj wrote :P
[13:38] tuhoojabotti: Hmm
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[13:38] tuhoojabotti: I'm afraid I do not know who is tj.
[13:38] Aikar: https://github.com/visionmedia/n
[13:38] tuhoojabotti: In finnish it stands for toimitusjohtaja which I believe is CEO in English.
[13:38] Aikar: tjhollowaychuk/visionmedia
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[13:39] trose: okay....
[13:39] trose: >npm view n version
[13:39] trose: > 0.5.2
[13:39] trose: aikar n != node???
[13:39] Aikar: trose: no
[13:40] Aikar: its a utility to help install node
[13:40] Aikar: now type n 0.4.12
[13:40] trose: ah
[13:40] Aikar: and itll install 0.4.12 as your active node
[13:41] Aikar: tuhoojabotti: never really looked at nvm till now, just decided to use n since it was easy to install and by tj so i knew it was good, but nvm looks more annoying to use. npm install n -g once is rather simple, vs sourcing nvm files lol
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[13:41] trose: kk
[13:41] Aikar: and nvm is modifying PATH
[13:41] tuhoojabotti: huh
[13:42] tuhoojabotti: Aikar: You're mixing installing and using?
[13:42] tuhoojabotti: I don't get it.
[13:42] trose: aikar: thanks for all your help. I think i'm finally starting to understand the nodejs universe :D
[13:42] Aikar: tuhoojabotti: i meant you gotta source the nvm file everytime you open shell (which can be automated)
[13:43] trose: this shit is so powerful
[13:43] Aikar: where as n is a binary in PATH so it doesnt need that
[13:43] tuhoojabotti: Hmm
[13:43] tuhoojabotti: I do not remember such problem.
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[13:50] seqastian: hm 
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[13:51] seqastian: kinda sad that there still seems to be no ftp lib that includes tls 
[13:51] seqastian: and that im too noobish to do it myself ;)
[13:51] seqastian: node-ftp seems closest it gets 
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[13:52] Jho_: morning ;)
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[13:53] Jho_: has anyone successfully used ldapjs on the windows version of node?
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[13:55] Aikar: bots?!
[13:55] Jho_: who knows
[13:55] Aikar: or just some webchat
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[13:58] seqastian: 15:58:33 Ignore List:
[13:58] seqastian: 15:58:33    1 *: CRAP SNOTES CTCPS JOINS PARTS QUITS KICKS MODES TOPICS WALLOPS NICKS DCC DCCMSGS CLIENTNOTICES CLIENTCRAP CLIENTERRORS 
[13:58] seqastian: probably should remove topics
[13:59] Jho_: I think everyone is asleep ;)
[14:00] martin_sunset: Or working :)
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[14:04] seqastian: working? 4pm .. going home soon ;)
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[14:05] deedubs: Oh timezones, just starting up for the day here
[14:06] Jho_: perhaps
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[14:38] Aikar: anyone else having problems with your picture being deleted on google apps? ive set my profile picture like 10 times now ><
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[14:54] Hammel: hi
[14:55] trose: hola
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[14:55] Hammel: i'm a bloody noob at node and try to figure a out a nice structure for my project. my question is:  in what kind of way should the folders designed? i got a client/frontend and a server/backend (node)
[14:56] Hammel: and i tried to seperate it in a client and a server folder
[14:56] Hammel: server folder contianing node_modules etc.
[14:57] seqastian: also struggeling with that bigger picture design thing :]
[14:57] trose: So I'm trying to setup an express server with socket.io following this blog: http://www.danielbaulig.de/socket-ioexpress/ I'm not sure what I need to do on the client end to connect to this? The typical socket.io method of io.connect() doesn't seem to produce any response from the server
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[14:59] Hammel: trose your server is running?
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[15:00] trose: yes
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[15:00] Hammel: and you did try to open your browser and just connect to it (localhost?)
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[15:02] gigawatt: Anyone good at Socket.io ?
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[15:02] trose: Hammel, Yeah I get the response with "your session id is [hash-string]" do i need to capture that and attach it to my socket.connect somehow?
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[15:03] trose: gigawatt: haha I'm trying. I'm not sure if any of the socket.io gods are online right now. What's up?
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[15:05] Hammel: ok, there ends my knowledge :F im also new at node. i guess connection works fine but there is an error on server-side cause it should return the value (or did you replace ist with [hash-string]?
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[15:06] deedubs: #socket.io
[15:06] gigawatt: trose, Im trying to send infomration to the server upon creating a connection, but somehow i can't do it
[15:07] gigawatt: i want to do something like: io.connect('server:port', { query: 'x=y'});
[15:07] gigawatt: and then get x on the server
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[15:08] trose: Hammel, I think *maybe* i need to make the express server spit out the index.html page and then when that page tries to connect it'll be in the same session/ have a cookie? i'm not sure
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[15:09] trose: gigawatt, hahaha I think we're having the same problem
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[15:09] gigawatt: i was told that i *may* be able to do: io.connect('protocol://server:port/?query=xx'
[15:10] trose: gigawatt, are you using express with socket.io?
[15:10] gigawatt: but don't work, i tried getting the information on the authorization and the connection event
[15:10] gigawatt: no, im using socket.io alone
[15:10] gigawatt: deebus, im in both rooms
[15:10] Hammel: trose, i dont know sry :(
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[15:11] trose: gigawatt, yeah we're on the exact same problem. What I'm going to try to do is server my index.html from the server itself and see if that sets the cookie/ auth info correctly
[15:12] trose: gigawatt, my intuition makes me feel like you shouldn't have to manually set that stuff
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[15:12] gigawatt: you should not need to go to that length, the client should be able to send connection based info at the start, especially for the authorisation part
[15:12] deedubs: trose: http://www.danielbaulig.de/socket-ioexpress/
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[15:13] trose: deedubs, I'm following that example. I'm not sure how to get the client to connect? I tried io.connect() but there is no response and no error messages...
[15:14] trose: deedubs, i'm directly opening my index.html... is that the issue?
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[15:15] deedubs: as in your opening it ala file://
[15:15] trose: deedubs, I'm thinking maybe i need to connect to the server then do something like app.get('/', fn(req,res){ res.send(index.html)});
[15:15] trose: deedubs, oooo indeed i am
[15:16] deedubs: ...
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[15:16] deedubs: 
ACTION dies a little

[15:16] trose: deedubs, Imma noob it's cool
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[15:18] gigawatt: hmmm, seems a little over the top, I would have thought that i can bind to the initial connection event
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[15:22] rikarends: hi guys, how do i get a file-length from a fd? there seems to be no support for fseek / ftell
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[15:23] deedubs: stat
[15:23] rikarends: stat is not something you do to check the file length for a fread
[15:23] rikarends: you use fseek/ftell
[15:23] rikarends: on windows it used to lag by definition 
[15:24] deedubs: okay you know better than I do then
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[15:24] rikarends: i'm trying to tail a file in node. is there a recipe for that?
[15:24] rikarends: without starting 'tail'
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[15:25] gigawatt: you can monitor files
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[15:25] rikarends: the monitoring idea was to fseek to end of file and ftell
[15:25] rikarends: the way i used to do it in C
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[15:25] gigawatt: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.3.1/api/fs.html#fs.watchFile
[15:26] rikarends: is watchFile implemented as poll or as OS hook atm?
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[15:26] gigawatt: you would still have to figure out how many bits of the file changed, then slice using seek
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[15:29] rikarends: alright i'll use fstat.
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[15:38] thinkjson: How do you maintain `this` inside of a setTimeout closure?
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[15:40] baudehlo: var self = this; // then use self
[15:41] baudehlo: I think most JS people use "that" though, self is a hangover from being a perl hacker :)
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[15:43] davemo: +1 for self
[15:43] davemo: but that's cause of my python background
[15:43] thinkjson: in the global scope?
[15:43] hazridi: I'm getting a segfault while trying to run a node module...  because of process_title=strdup(argv[0])  in platform_linux.cc. Any ideas? 
[15:44] thinkjson: inside the closure, this refers to the timeout object
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[15:44] baudehlo: there is no global scope in node.
[15:44] baudehlo: (well, there kind of is, but it's hard to get to)
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[15:50] TheJH: baudehlo, it's not hard
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[15:55] gigawatt: baudehlo, or do: (function(){}).bind(Something)()
[15:55] gigawatt: so that this context becomes `Something`
[15:55] baudehlo: TheJH: well yeah not "hard" hard, but it's made so it's not just "there" on purpose.
[15:56] TheJH: baudehlo, well, but e.g. using a variable without declaring it will make it leak into the global scope
[15:56] baudehlo: ORLY?
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[15:57] baudehlo: see I know fuck all about Javascript :)
[15:57] baudehlo: didn't know you could even do that.
[15:57] baudehlo: so if I typo a variable name it'll just work?
[15:57] bwinton: baudehlo: For some value of "just work", yeah…  :)
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[15:58] baudehlo: right.
[15:59] baudehlo: is this one of the things "use strict" stops?
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[16:03] TheJH: baudehlo, I think so
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[16:03] baudehlo: but not available in V8, right?
[16:03] baudehlo: :-(
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[16:03] Aikar: use strict is
[16:03] baudehlo: it is?
[16:03] TheJH: baudehlo, I think it works
[16:03] Aikar: and global in node behaves just as it does in the browser
[16:03] TheJH: >> 1
[16:03] purr: TheJH: (number) 1
[16:04] TheJH: >> (function(){"use strict";a=1})()
[16:04] purr: TheJH: ReferenceError: a is not defined
[16:04] Aikar: just its named global instead of window
[16:04] TheJH: >> (function(){a=1})()
[16:04] purr: TheJH: undefined
[16:04] TheJH: baudehlo, see, it works
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[16:04] Aikar: >> (function(){a=1})() a
[16:04] purr: Aikar: SyntaxError: Unexpected identifier
[16:04] Aikar: >> (function(){a=1})(); a
[16:04] purr: Aikar: (number) 1
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[16:05] baudehlo: Hmmm
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[16:05] baudehlo: how come it doesn't work in the repl for multiple commands?
[16:05] Aikar: it shou;d?
[16:05] TheJH: baudehlo, huh?
[16:05] baudehlo: like I can do: "use strict"; a = 1; and that works
[16:05] Aikar: >>> node
[16:05] Aikar: > a=1
[16:05] Aikar: 1
[16:05] Aikar: > a
[16:05] Aikar: 1
[16:05] purr: Aikar: ReferenceError: node is not defined
[16:05] TheJH: baudehlo, won't work because of the way repl works, I think
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[16:06] baudehlo: gotcha
[16:06] Aikar: use strict is parsed at file load time
[16:06] TheJH: baudehlo, I think "use strict" must be the very first thing and that isn't the case or so
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[16:06] baudehlo: ok, I'mma gonna add "use strict" to every haraka file now :)
[16:06] Aikar: TheJH: no, you can do
[16:06] lzskiss: aloha
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[16:07] MrNibbles: are there any good node.js rake like build modules?
[16:07] Aikar: >> (function() { a=1; (function() { "use strict"; b=1 })(); })()
[16:07] purr: Aikar: ReferenceError: b is not defined
[16:07] Aikar: notice it didnt complain about a
[16:07] TheJH: Aikar, oh, right, works in the repl, too
[16:07] Aikar: use strict is  on a function context basis and all sub context
[16:07] Aikar: you can use strict only portions of your code
[16:08] TheJH: Aikar, I know
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[16:08] jocafa: does anyone know offhand which is faster:  array.indexOf('foo')  or  ('foo' in obj) ?
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[16:08] Aikar: probally indexOf
[16:08] Aikar: but thats a guess
[16:08] Salve: indexOf
[16:08] TheJH: jocafa, you know that the first one is for arrays and the second one isn't, right?
[16:08] baudehlo: jocafa: is it important to your app?
[16:08] jocafa: TheJH:  yeah
[16:09] baudehlo: smells of premature optimisation :)
[16:09] TheJH: baudehlo, exactly
[16:09] TheJH: jocafa, I'd recommend first building the application and then profiling it
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[16:12] jocafa: actually… i just changed if (! (foo in obj)) to if (! obj[foo]) and got 6K more ops/sec
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[16:13] jocafa: 47K async events emitted/handled per second… should be good enough
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[16:38] mattrobenolt: Anyone deal with rotating their log files from nohup?
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[16:39] Aikar: mattrobenolt: logrotate
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[16:39] mattrobenolt: Aikar: Any concrete examples? I'm finding a bunch of random information.
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[16:41] Aikar: mattrobenolt: /var/log/foo.log {
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[16:41] Aikar: copytruncate
[16:41] Aikar: daily
[16:41] Aikar: rotate 30
[16:41] Aikar: compress
[16:41] Aikar: missingok
[16:41] Aikar: }
[16:42] Aikar: copytruncate is the important part
[16:42] mattrobenolt: Ok, there's no signal to pass to the process or anything?
[16:42] Aikar: it copies the log, then truncates current
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[16:42] Aikar: nope
[16:42] mattrobenolt: Awesome. Let me try this out.
[16:42] Aikar: so any open file handles will be handled gracefully
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[16:42] mattrobenolt: How can I specify less than daily? Just for debugging purposes.
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[16:42] Aikar: youll need to lookup logrotate docs
[16:43] Aikar: probally 'hourly'
[16:43] Aikar: or so
[16:43] mattrobenolt: Alright, thanks Aikar.
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[16:44] mattrobenolt: I can just drop this in the /etc/logrotate.d/ directory, correct?
[16:44] Aikar: yep
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[16:44] mattrobenolt: Or does it need to actually be tied in somewhere else to tell it to use it?
[16:44] Aikar: just drop in folder, your system will handle it from there
[16:44] mattrobenolt: Nice.
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[16:46] mattrobenolt: Does logrotate run as root?
[16:46] Aikar: yes
[16:46] Aikar: if your running any modern distro it should already be installed and ready, just drop in the conf file
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[16:47] mattrobenolt: Yeah, I've used it for Nginx and stuff, but wasn't sure how to handle it with a process that didn't handle any signal to tell it to close the file descriptor.
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[16:47] Aikar: thats the beauty of copytruncate, doesnt need to close the file handle
[16:48] Aikar: it makes a copy of the file 'as-is' as the rotate, then empties out the current file
[16:48] Aikar: so all open file handles will be reset to the start of the empty file
[16:48] mattrobenolt: Gotcha.
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[17:08] EyePulp: I want to do a nicely indented string dump of the request object.  I've been using sys.inspect(req), but would be interested in more indentation options.
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[17:08] EyePulp: this would be passed to a test file, so not for screen output (if it matters)
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[17:09] jesusabdullah: EyePulp: Look into JSON.stringify. It can take a few formatting options
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[17:10] mmalecki: eyes.js is quite nice
[17:10] jetienne: mmalecki: url ?
[17:11] mmalecki: https://github.com/cloudhead/eyes.js
[17:11] mmalecki: but it's cloudhead's library. it isn't maintained.
[17:11] jesusabdullah: That said, probably not a whole lot has changed wrt that library
[17:11] jesusabdullah: it's not one that is likely to need a whole lotta maintenence
[17:12] jetienne: mmalecki: a better console.dir(). i love that i debug with console.$
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[17:14] jesusabdullah: wth is console.$?
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[17:15] jetienne: console.* with a missed shift :)
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[17:16] jesusabdullah: oh! a'ight
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[17:17] jellosea: how do i destroy a connection object, and unregister all its callbacks?
[17:17] jellosea: event callback
[17:17] jellosea: s
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[17:27] giggsey: Why does new Date() follow my TZ environment variable, but new Date(year,month,day,etc...) use UTC? (Example: http://pastebin.com/BKihYHzp )
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[17:37] whse: mmalecki: I never figured anything else out with that wierdo date issue.
[17:38] mmalecki: whse: it seems like a v8 issue
[17:38] whse: mmalecki: it does seem that way
[17:38] whse: Not sure where to go placing that though
[17:38] mmalecki: v8 bug report
[17:39] mmalecki: provide all details and let google folks figure it out :)
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[17:39] whse: I should try building 0.5.9 and see if it still occurs..
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[17:39] whse: how close are we to 0.6 stable anyways
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[17:45] jjido: hello, is util.inherits the way to extend a "class" in node.js?
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[17:50] trose: hey so I'm using express + socket.io and following this blog: http://www.danielbaulig.de/socket-ioexpress/ My question is: how do I now establish a connection to the socket? on my client I am using io.connect() but the server's io.on('connection') callback is not firing
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[17:54] okCPU_: hey guys... is node.ly still a module? the link on nodejs github is broken
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[17:56] okCPU_: nm... got it
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[18:02] CIA-48: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07 * r9d27faa 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): 
[18:02] CIA-48: node: Revert "Fix #1801 vm: Use 'sandbox' as global_prototype"
[18:02] CIA-48: node: Accidentally committed. Revert until review.
[18:02] CIA-48: node: This reverts commit 200df8641b43902adc73cce6b89d3e84a91dd3e6. - http://git.io/ViVxSw
[18:02] giggsey: Can we set the timezone within node yet?
[18:03] ryah: giggsey: supposedly process.env.TZ = "PST"; should work...
[18:03] ryah: but it doesn't
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[18:05] baudehlo: probably needs a call to tzset() after that.
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[18:07] ryah: it does
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[18:08] ryah: it's such an awful interface
[18:08] baudehlo: Oh, believe me I know :)
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[18:08] baudehlo: this is my contribution to the date/time nightmare: http://search.cpan.org/~msergeant/Time-Piece-1.20/Piece.pm
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[18:09] trose: gigawatt, are you still having those problems? I've made some headway on the express + socket.io stuff
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[18:13] baudehlo: has anyone tried working with the shootout.alioth guys to update their v8 benchmark to use the node gmp library instead of using a pure JS bigint library?
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[18:19] Aikar: hmm... google removing ability to see the keyword people searched for from organic hits... thats a pretty major change.
[18:19] Aikar: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/making-search-more-secure.html
[18:20] runvnc: damn security issues
[18:20] trose: :(((
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[18:21] runvnc: I have a really stupid question.. if anyone has ever set up express js as an https server.. it wants a pem for the key and a pem for the cert.. how do I get that stuff from the files that godaddy sent me
[18:22] Aikar: runvnc: use same pem for both
[18:22] Aikar: pem = both of those keys combined into 1 file
[18:23] manouch: hi.. sorry for the probably noobish question... but when i access this script http://pastebin.com/kBR3cdUQ ... via chrome, it seems to handle two requests... the first one with the working given parameter... the second one fails: Cannot read property '0' of undefined
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[18:23] runvnc: oh.. thats what was confusing me
[18:24] runvnc: because on the web it kept saying to cat them and I was trying to figure out what was different. thanks
[18:24] smathy: runvnc… godaddy will also have a cert chain bundle.
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[18:24] runvnc: smathy yeah what do I do with the gd_bundle.crt
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[18:25] smathy: runvnc… you provide it as the ca: attribute.
[18:25] runvnc: thanks
[18:25] smathy: 
ACTION wishes Crypto had done like nginx and allowed all keys in one file - SOO much simpler

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[18:27] Aikar: runvnc: a cert has multiple parts. a .crt file is the certificate itself, a .key file usually is the private key to sign the data that you dont want anyone to ever get ahold of. if you combine the key+crt file into one its then a .pem file which makes it easier to configure SSL for servers. then the CA who "signs" your certificate also has a certificate (godaddy in your case) which is what the ca: property is for
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[18:28] runvnc: aikar thanks
[18:28] runvnc: so could I just give the cert and key properties the actual .crt and .key files instead of both pems?
[18:28] Aikar: yes
[18:28] runvnc: I think what I was missing was the ca: property
[18:28] Aikar: a pem is just those 2 combined together
[18:28] runvnc: thanks guys
[18:29] Aikar: make sure you use YOUR .crt for the Cert field and godaddys .crt for the ca: field, dont mix them up.
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[18:30] Aikar: oh hes gone
[18:30] smathy: Aikar… pem is actually just a format.
[18:31] smathy: Aikar… both the private key and certificate can be in pem format (separately), or combined into a single pem file.
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[18:33] meat_popsicle: hi all
[18:34] meat_popsicle: 'how do i detect if my script is being run as the main script in node?
[18:34] meat_popsicle: rather than as a module
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[18:37] manouch: is there anybody who knows? :( when i access this script http://pastebin.com/kBR3cdUQ ... via chrome, it seems to handle two requests... the first one with the working given parameter... the second one fails: Cannot read property '0' of undefined
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[18:39] qbit: anyone using a node-compress like lib with 0.5.x? 
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[18:41] TheJH: qbit, do you know the core compression module?
[18:41] TheJH: !docs search zlib
[18:41] jhbot: section "Zlib": http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/all.html#zlib
[18:41] jhbot: section "Zlib": http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/all.html#zlib
[18:41] jhbot: section "Zlib": http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/all.html#zlib
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[18:42] mmalecki: jhbot: duplicate detection?
[18:44] qbit: thanks TheJH 
[18:44] TheJH: mmalecki, yes, I should probably work on that
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[18:44] dsolis: hi
[18:45] dsolis: hi ryan
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[18:45] dsolis: I asked you help for installing node on my opensuse linux
[18:45] dsolis: are you on line now?
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[18:54] dthompso99: hmmm, is npm down, or is my network whack?
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[18:58] whse: dthompso99: just you.
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[19:03] TheJH: !up? search.npmjs.org
[19:04] sechrist: a meat popsicle sounds delicious if the meat isn't raw
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[19:06] sechrist: although the movie reference means people, so that's not so good
[19:06] sechrist: i'll stick to deep fried everything on a stick
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[19:23] mattrobenolt: When does nohup actually write out it's log?
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[19:23] mattrobenolt: If I tail the nohup.out file, nothing is being appended.
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[19:31] qbit: is there an example of zlib.Unzip anywhere? 
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[19:34] doki_pen: is there a general purpose library that tracks callbacks and calls a master callback when all the other callbacks are done?
[19:34] whse: mmalecki: ryah after yesterdays date issue, I am compiling v0.5.9 on my arm box to see if it too has a problem
[19:34] TheJH: doki_pen, many
[19:35] TheJH: doki_pen, I like the "async" library, it has many cool features
[19:35] doki_pen: TheJH: is there a name for that pattern?
[19:35] TheJH: !@doki_pen npm info async
[19:35] jhbot: doki_pen, async by Caolan McMahon, version 0.1.12: Higher-order functions and common patterns for asynchronous code
[19:35] doki_pen: thanks TheJH 
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[19:36] TheJH: doki_pen, I think what you want it usually called "asynchronous parallel iteration" or so
[19:37] doki_pen: ok, I'll be glad if I can throw away my code and use better code ;-D
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[19:44] deedubs: SubStack: man browserling rocks.  Have to work on boss to get paid account
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[19:44] Brandon_R: hi
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[19:52] dsolis: hi @ryah
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[20:03] jocafa: yay… moar fasterer!  went from 40K ops/s  to 92K ops/s
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[20:06] brianc1: mape: hotcode is hotness
[20:06] mape: brianc1: works for you? :)
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[20:06] brianc1: so far so good!
[20:06] brianc1: I'll fork & patch if I hit anything
[20:06] brianc1: I'm not one of those take take take never give kinda guys
[20:06] mape: perfect
[20:07] brianc1: an issue is nice but a pull request is beetttttter
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[20:07] brianc1: and now back to work ,just wanted to say I dig
[20:07] mape: hehe thanks, glad you liked it
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[20:12] ben_alman: what's the recommended way to monitor a bunch of files on the filesystem to see if any has changed?
[20:12] ben_alman: on OS X and linux
[20:12] ben_alman: (in node.js)
[20:12] EyePulp: if I'm using node-redis, is there a smart way to handle getting several hashes in a synchronous fashion?   i.e. I need a value stored in one of two different hashes, so I'm trying to avoid a ton of nested calls to get the value, e.g. look through this list of hashes, and grab the value, then do something with it.
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[20:14] JmZ: hey
[20:14] dsolis: when I try to install node.js, it sendsme an error on the mksnapshot.cc, do you know why?
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[20:15] JmZ: im trying to get a package working, but it doesn't seem to be able to find it. I try require('mymodule'), having a directory in node_modules/ called 'mymodule', containing a package JSON file and the main script it uses
[20:15] JmZ: but it complains that no such module exists
[20:16] JmZ: im sure it'll be a small obvious problem but i can't see it
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[20:17] jellosea: hey is x = x || 'default' better or worse than if (  x == undefined) x = 'default' ?
[20:17] jellosea: or no different
[20:18] ben_alman: they are different
[20:18] tjholowaychuk: jellosea x || 'default' is usually fine depending on what you want
[20:18] tjholowaychuk: obviously it'll fail if you pass 0 etc
[20:18] ben_alman: if x is not undefined, but still falsy (0, empty string, NaN, null, false) the former will revert to the default
[20:18] tjholowaychuk: but for example options = options || {}
[20:18] tjholowaychuk: is fine
[20:19] ben_alman: x || default is adequate when you are passing a boolean or object
[20:19] jellosea: oh i see, thanks
[20:19] ben_alman: or nothing at all
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[20:20] whse: dsolis: what are you trying to compile on?
[20:20] ben_alman: fs.watchFile seems unbearably slow (on OS X here), any ideas?
[20:22] ben_alman: nm ,i had to explicitly set an interval
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[20:26] Jho_: has anyone gotten ldapjs to work on the windows version of node?
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[20:27] kurmangazy: someone tell me if there is a solution to this problem in node, because if not, I think it needs one:
[20:28] kurmangazy: if you are reading data from one stream and sending it right out another, you have to handle the fact that either side can be slow -- requiring you to pause() the fast one. this is taken care of by pipe()
[20:29] kurmangazy: but what if you are reading data from a stream, then translating it in some way, then writing the translated version out another stream
[20:29] kurmangazy: you can't use pipe() to handle pausing the fast stream for you
[20:31] kurmangazy: is there some equivalent of pipe() that handles this on your behalf?
[20:31] context: kurmangazy: you might be able to with event 'pipe'
[20:31] kurmangazy: context: what's that?
[20:31] context: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.12/api/streams.html#event_pipe_
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[20:32] context: i dont know if that lets you modify/'translate' though
[20:32] context: quick way to test it htough of course
[20:32] kurmangazy: I don't think that event helps
[20:33] kurmangazy: a simple solution that I can see would be if you can tell node that the streams are linked, so that if one underflows, it will pause the other automatically
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[20:34] jocafa: does anyone have any good JSLitmus alternatives?
[20:34] markdaws: Hi - we are seeing spordaic timeouts trying to connect from nginx up to our node servers, there aren't any obvious errors in our logs, we use express for routing calls, are there any known issues with expressjs possibly having timeouts etc?  The version we are using is probably 2 months old.  Thanks.
[20:34] Jho_: fastStream => pipe() => buffer() => translate => slowStream ?
[20:34] kurmangazy: like outputStream.link(inputStream) // <-- works just like pipe() but doesn't shovel the data for you
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[20:35] kurmangazy: Jho_: how does that work?
[20:35] tjholowaychuk: markdaws sounds like you're maybe not responding at times
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[20:35] Jho_: just an idea to use pipe() functionality to connect to a third "buffer" stream, which you would then translate and stream out to the slower connection as fast as it can handle it
[20:35] kurmangazy: Jho_: so there's a memory buffer that acts as the endpoint for pipe(), and if it fills up, node pauses the input for you?
[20:36] Jho_: i don't know for sure, just thinking out loud
[20:36] kurmangazy: Jho_: oh so that's not something that exists, it's just a proposition?
[20:36] Jho_: correct AFAIK
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[20:37] kurmangazy: that sounds like a good solution
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[20:38] Jho_: maybe this... (google-fu!)  https://github.com/JSBizon/node-memorystream
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[20:39] kurmangazy: oh, there you go. it sounds like that module attacks this very problem
[20:40] Jho_: good luck ;)   gotta jet for the day
[20:40] Jho_: later folks
[20:40] kurmangazy: thanks Jho_ 
[20:40] kurmangazy: later
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[20:42] TRUPPP: anyone can please tell me why, express or node, dont execute/link my static client.js on index.html? style.css works... thank you very much! http://pastie.org/2726014
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[20:45] Jarda: TRUPPP: maybe because the file is called script.js and you are requesting client.js?
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[20:47] TRUPPP: sorry, it's client.js
[20:47] TRUPPP: i wrote it wrong
[20:47] jesusabdullah: What does your browser say is wrong?
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[20:48] jesusabdullah: if it says "404" then that means it's not getting linked, if it returns js errors that means your client.js is broken
[20:48] jesusabdullah: try opening up the web console and refreshing
[20:49] TRUPPP: it says 304, not modified
[20:49] markdaws: tjholowaychuk: That's what I thought, but I didn't see any pattern to the hangs and looking through the code the paths all call res.send, but must have missed something I guess
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[20:51] baudehlo: I have a v8.log but running mac-tick-processor on it results in no output. Anyone know why?
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[20:58] kurmangazy: I'm not sure that this memory stream actually solves the problem
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[20:59] rayfinkle: is there a way to get the line # of the calling function? wanna have my log function report line #
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[21:02] TheJH: rayfinkle, either parse a stacktrace or enable --expose-debug-as=debug or whatever it's called and use some function from it
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[21:04] kurmangazy: does stream.write() do any kind of buffering for you, or does each call generate a syscall? in other words, is it bad to call it frequently with small chunks of data?
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[21:05] smathy: rayfinkle… console.trace() help?
[21:05] rayfinkle: yep. just gonna pull the line i want out of that
[21:06] rayfinkle: sort hard to find the line that is actually my code though
[21:06] rayfinkle: *programatically
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[21:09] julioj: is the 'sys' module deprecated, replaced by 'util' maybe?
[21:09] dsolis: when i compile node.js for installing, it sendseme an error on mksnapshot.cc, what could it be?
[21:09] kurmangazy: julioj: I believe so, because the node version from git outputs a message to that effect when you use require('sys')
[21:10] julioj: just saw that on the changelog, i will use util then, thank you kurmangazy !
[21:10] kurmangazy: julioj: np
[21:11] jesusabdullah: Man that android port sounds rad
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[21:13] kurmangazy: has anyone ported it to a router yet?
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[21:13] whse: androids are almost all ARM chips, so thats not that complicated
[21:13] whse: routers... mix of MIPS and ARM
[21:14] kurmangazy: maybe you could run websites off a wrt54g
[21:14] Aikar: you can
[21:14] Aikar: I cant wait for an official build of DD-WRT for my Netgear N750 :(
[21:14] Aikar: its a beast
[21:14] Aikar: 64mb of ram!
[21:15] kurmangazy: who needs a server anymore? just get a router for $30
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[21:15] whse: Well there are multiple already running on various linux flavors.
[21:15] whse: already on arm
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[21:15] wink_: i still use one, but i use mine for far more than packet moving
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[21:16] kurmangazy: whse: node.js?
[21:16] whse: kurmangazy: yes.
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[21:18] Aikar: kurmangazy: my router was 140$ :(
[21:18] kurmangazy: I'm going to create a chat server for my roommates and myself on a router...
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[21:18] Aikar: kurmangazy: got tired of networking problems and said fuck it and stopped trying to be cheap
[21:19] kurmangazy: it looks like ASUS tries to make good routers for hacking, but you pay more for that
[21:20] whse: buffalo even have a few that coem with dd-wrt pre-installed
[21:21] kurmangazy: I looked into DD-WRT a bit, but I'm not clear on how much RAM and flash your router needs to have to perform function X
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[21:22] kurmangazy: and if you need to add USB storage to the router, it's no longer such an impressive feat of doing a lot with a little
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[21:24] whse: minor suggestion?
[21:24] whse: buy a pogoplug
[21:24] whse: hack it, run whatever the hell you want
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[21:25] kurmangazy: ah
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[21:25] kurmangazy: it even comes in hot pink
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[21:26] jesusabdullah: What's a pogoplug?
[21:26] jesusabdullah: It sounds dirty o___o
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[21:26] context: http://software.pogoplug.com/
[21:26] gkatsev: lol
[21:26] kurmangazy: does it have wifi?
[21:26] jesusabdullah: s/g//
[21:26] context: google. i know i know. not everyone has been given access to it yet. but it is pretty amazing.
[21:26] dsolis: how can i resolve the error on mksnaphot.cc?
[21:26] gkatsev: jesusabdullah: get your mind out of the gutter
[21:26] jesusabdullah: too late
[21:27] gkatsev: lol
[21:27] dsolis: how can i resolve the error on mksnaphot.cc?
[21:27] jesusabdullah: That actually sounds pretty neat
[21:27] dsolis: how can i resolve the error on mksnaphot.cc when I compile node.js?
[21:27] dsolis: how can i resolve the error on mksnaphot.cc when I compile node.js?
[21:27] dsolis: how can i resolve the error on mksnaphot.cc when I compile node.js?
[21:27] dsolis: how can i resolve the error on mksnaphot.cc when I compile node.js?
[21:27] dsolis: how can i resolve the error on mksnaphot.cc when I compile node.js?
[21:27] dsolis: how can i resolve the error on mksnaphot.cc when I compile node.js?
[21:27] dsolis: how can i resolve the error on mksnaphot.cc when I compile node.js?
[21:27] dsolis: how can i resolve the error on mksnaphot.cc when I compile node.js?
[21:27] dsolis: how can i resolve the error on mksnaphot.cc when I compile node.js?
[21:28] dsolis: how can i resolve the error on mksnaphot.cc when I compile node.js?
[21:28] dsolis: how can i resolve the error on mksnaphot.cc when I compile node.js?
[21:28] dsolis: how can i resolve the error on mksnaphot.cc when I compile node.js?
[21:28] dsolis: how can i resolve the error on mksnaphot.cc when I compile node.js?
[21:28] context: dsolis: when you fix the offending code it will resolve the error
[21:28] dsolis: how can i resolve the error on mksnaphot.cc when I compile node.js?
[21:28] dsolis: please helpme!!!!
[21:28] dsolis: please helpme!!!!
[21:28] dsolis: please helpme!!!!
[21:28] dsolis: please helpme!!!!
[21:28] context: ...
[21:28] gkatsev: dsolis: stop.
[21:28] context: thats not how you get help.
[21:28] context: thats how you get ignored... by EVERYONE
[21:28] gkatsev: and kickbanned
[21:28] dsolis: excuseme
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[21:28] konobi: and if i had my ops, kickbanned
[21:28] context: so now that you've already guaranteed yourself to get zero help...
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[21:28] context: gauranteed*
[21:29] context: oops it was right the first time
[21:29] gkatsev: also:
[21:29] gkatsev: !doesn't work
[21:29] mmalecki: ping me when he says something funny, i've just ignored him
[21:29] gkatsev: `doesn't work
[21:29] gkatsev: v8bot_: doesn't work
[21:29] gkatsev: meh
[21:29] context: heh
[21:29] context: !dont work
[21:29] context: :/
[21:29] gkatsev: `v doesn't work
[21:29] v8bot_: gkatsev: No such command.
[21:29] gkatsev: bah
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[21:29] gkatsev: I'll paste it in, one sec
[21:30] context: dsolis: "it dont work" is not a reasonable assessment of an error message. 
[21:30] mmalecki: v8: what
[21:30] v8bot_: mmalecki: 
[21:30] context: `v dont work
[21:30] v8bot_: context: No such command.
[21:30] context: grr !
[21:30] gkatsev:  What do you mean it doesn't work?  What happens when you try to run it?  What's the output?  What's the error message?  What did you want or expect to happen? Saying "it doesn't work" is pointless
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[21:32] gkatsev: context: that's what it's supposed to say.
[21:32] gkatsev: I thought we were getting another bot in here
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[21:33] dsolis: the error is: /node-v0.4.12/deps/v8/src/mksnapshot.cc:29:18: error: string: No such file or directory: map: No such file or directory
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[21:33] whse: dsolis: I ASKED WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO BUILD IT ON.
[21:34] dsolis: I was building node.js
[21:34] jesusabdullah: dsolis: on what? We need versions.
[21:34] jesusabdullah: dsolis: linux?
[21:34] dsolis: yea
[21:34] jesusabdullah: dsolis: what kind of linux?
[21:35] jesusabdullah: dsolis: If I were you, I would paste the **entire** output, both stdout and sterr, from ./configure and make, into a gist
[21:35] whse: what kind of processor
[21:36] dsolis: I got from nodejs.org the file node-v0.4.12.tar.gz
[21:36] whse: etc etc 
[21:36] whse: dsolis: NOT WHICH VERSION OF NODE
[21:36] dsolis: on Linux Open Suse
[21:36] whse: ty
[21:36] jesusabdullah: then add something like, "I'm using Ubuntu Ornery Octocat 64 bit on a dell mini 9" or whatever
[21:36] whse:  /that/ actually helps
[21:36] whse: 
ACTION goes the F home.

[21:36] jesusabdullah: I inferred your node version from what little you actually pasted
[21:36] dsolis: I'm using Linux Open Suse in a virtual machine
[21:36] gkatsev: jesusabdullah: lol, ornery octocot. Must be github's custom ubuntu build.
[21:37] mmalecki: lol
[21:37] jesusabdullah: The secret to being a good support client is to paste ALL the logs
[21:37] gkatsev: octocat
[21:37] jesusabdullah: I can't remember the actual name
[21:37] gkatsev: oneiric ocelot
[21:37] jesusabdullah: yeah, that's it
[21:37] jesusabdullah: what's oneiric mean anyway?
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[21:37] gkatsev: umm
[21:37] jesusabdullah: I'm just gonna keep calling it Ornery Octocat
[21:38] gkatsev: of or pertaining to dreams
[21:38] jesusabdullah: cause I know what ornery means and octocats are awesome
[21:38] gkatsev: the next one will be precise pangolin
[21:38] jesusabdullah: frickin' unbunto
[21:38] jesusabdullah: I have a love/hate relationship with that distro I swear
[21:38] gkatsev: lol
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[21:39] gkatsev: try mint?
[21:39] kurmangazy: jesusabdullah: me too
[21:39] Aikar: my relationship has become a major hate with 11.10
[21:39] ben_alman: is it possible to beep in the node.js console?
[21:39] jesusabdullah: why so Aikar?
[21:39] Aikar: jesusabdullah: nothing about it was good?
[21:40] Aikar: buggy, forced unity, removing customization support
[21:40] jesusabdullah: Keep in mind, I've been using xubuntu for the last few years, ever since I heard rumors of ubuntu/gnome "ui tweaks"
[21:40] jesusabdullah: and by the time unity came around I was like "fuck that"
[21:40] Aikar: unity is horrible
[21:40] jesusabdullah: but I actually don't like xfce that much
[21:40] Aikar: i couldnt live with it for more than a day
[21:40] jesusabdullah: I just want xmonad with a reasonable taskbar
[21:40] Aikar: I just want AWN Launcher
[21:40] gkatsev: unity is actually not that bad. Just the defaults are kind of crappy
[21:41] jesusabdullah: awn?
[21:41] Aikar: so i use gnome-panel and delete everything on the panels
[21:41] gkatsev: jesusabdullah: use normal gnome and replace metacity with xmonad
[21:41] Aikar: http://aikar.co/dropbox/sexy.png
[21:41] gkatsev: hehe
[21:41] jesusabdullah: gkatsev: That's basically what I'm doing with xfce. It works well once it's working, but xfwm is hard to kill
[21:41] gkatsev: heh
[21:41] jesusabdullah: I was able to do it yesterday but then I also somehow broke gnome-terminal transparency and the layout of the topbar
[21:41] jesusabdullah: not sure what that's about
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[21:42] jesusabdullah: I wish things like gnome were more modular
[21:42] jesusabdullah: Maybe I should go all out and use xmobar or dzen or whatever the fuck
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[21:43] mmalecki: jesusabdullah: what are you trying to do?
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[21:43] gkatsev: mmalecki: xmonad in xfce
[21:43] mmalecki: yeah, but where's gnome in this equation?
[21:43] jesusabdullah: gnome's an alternative
[21:43] gkatsev: nowhere
[21:44] jesusabdullah: or rather, xfce is the alternative to gnome
[21:44] mmalecki: I have nice setup for gnome and xmonad
[21:44] gkatsev: I mentioned that you can do gnome with xmonad rather than metacity/compiz
[21:44] mmalecki: spawns both panels, nm-applet and notification server
[21:44] gkatsev: I think it's easier to get gnome working with it than xmonad
[21:44] jesusabdullah: Probably
[21:44] mmalecki: jesusabdullah: want me to publish it?
[21:45] jesusabdullah: publish your xmonad.hs ?
[21:45] Aikar: im fine with compiz, I just want a plain shell so only AWN shows
[21:45] mmalecki: yeah
[21:45] gkatsev: write up a how-to
[21:45] jesusabdullah: Naw, that's alright. I've done it before. It's broken xfce sessions, not broken xmonad
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[21:47] mmalecki: no notification server, actually
[21:47] mmalecki: https://gist.github.com/1299785
[21:47] mmalecki: but running it should be just spawn "/usr/libexec/notificationsomething"
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[21:48] mmalecki: jesusabdullah: ^
[21:48] mmalecki: really straightforward but nice
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[21:50] jesusabdullah: I still dunno what awn is
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[21:51] jesusabdullah: mmalecki: That looks nice actually. You can spawn all those things as separate pieces?
[21:53] mmalecki: jesusabdullah: yeah
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[21:53] mmalecki: jesusabdullah: no gnome-session or stuff is needed
[21:53] mmalecki: but few things, like authentication stuff might not work
[21:53] mmalecki: still haven't figured it out
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[21:54] mmalecki: mikeal: hey, did you get my message about converting issues to pull requests?
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[21:56] mikeal: probably
[21:56] mikeal: i've been in Europe for over a month
[21:56] mikeal: and just got back, so anything that i was in the middle of over the last month is probably lost from my mind forever
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[21:58] mmalecki: mikeal: http://developer.github.com/v3/pulls/#alternative-input
[21:59] rayfinkle: is there a way to get the absolute path of a node module? (i.e. have node do the module search and return the location)
[21:59] mmalecki: mikeal: I reminded myself you wanted this kind of feature
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[22:04] jesusabdullah: mikeal: Welcome back?
[22:05] jesusabdullah: I presume you kicked that squatter maxogden out of your house? I mean, he's staying with us now, so
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[22:09] jellosea: is there a way to write a unit test to verify the number of times a callback has been called?
[22:09] jellosea: like if the unit test passes, this callback should be called twice
[22:09] ShonM: is there an easy way to get a cookie stored by PHP?
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[22:15] mikeal: mmalecki: thanks!
[22:15] mikeal: jesusabdullah: got back yesterday, Max was just here grabbing the last of his stuff and attaching it to the front of his bike with bungie cords :)
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[22:29] te-brian2: isaacs: lol ... I just googled "cross browser inline-block" and randomly stumbled into FooHack ... small world.
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[23:23] konobi: is the req that comes in from a connect router request just a plain http.ServerRequest object?
[23:24] CIA-48: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07 * r67b2357 10/ (src/process_wrap.cc wscript src/platform_cygwin.cc): Remove support for cygwin - http://git.io/jsIJVg
[23:24] Guest51077: konobi yup
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[23:24] Guest51077: unlike a few of the frameworks there's no abstractions made there
[23:24] Guest51077: which is both good and bad
[23:24] SubStack: middleware can add stuff to the req however
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[23:29] CIA-48: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07 * r88af0c8 10/ src/node_os.cc : 
[23:29] CIA-48: node: Remove os.openOSHandle
[23:29] CIA-48: node: Unused. - http://git.io/1988IQ
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[23:40] frewsxcv: is there a way to print a function as a javascript object? not for actual use, just for so i can better nderstand javascriopt
[23:42] jesusabdullah: frewsxcv: If you have properties attached to your function they will show up with a util.inspect
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[23:52] jazzanova_: can I load a javascript file, get the source of some javascript function and send it to the client ?
[23:53] CIA-48: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07 * r6cc4292 10/ (11 files): Display sys_errno when UV_UNKNOWN is returned - http://git.io/MCOXWw
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[23:54] konobi: anyone know if there is connect middleware for serving tarballs on the fly?
[23:54] Guest51077: connect.static()?
[23:54] Guest51077: or compressing data for you?
[23:54] Guest51077: https://github.com/senchalabs/connect/blob/master/lib/middleware/compress.js
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[23:55] konobi: Guest51077: tarballs
[23:56] konobi: ie... point at a directory and it gets tarred/gzipped on the fly
[23:56] Guest51077: not that i know of, serving them is easy enough
[23:56] Guest51077: you wouldnt really want to do that "on the fly"
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[23:57] konobi: why not?
[23:57] konobi: my use-case calls for it =0)
[23:57] konobi: and both tar and gzip are streaming
[23:58] jhurliman: sigh... req.socket.address() works fine in http mode, but as https i get "TypeError: Object #<CleartextStream> has no method 'address'"
[23:59] konobi: req.connection.remoteAddress
[23:59] kenperkins: is there a reasonable maxSockets number?
[23:59] kenperkins: is 1000 too high?