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[00:04] jarek: when I do 'npm ls', I'm getting UNMET DEPENDENCY warning for my custom module
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[00:04] jarek: not sure what could be causing it
[00:04] jarek: I have double checked the package.json file and it looks fine
[00:05] jarek: the module does not depend on any other module
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[00:06] MattAdams: Does anyone have any links to good tutorials for posting via HTTP to another web service and working with JSON returned by the request?
[00:07] pvgrif: do i need sysinfo to compile node?
[00:07] TRUPPP: anywhere good discussions about express vs. bogart i can read?
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[00:08] TheJH: jarek, could you gist your package.json and the output of "npm ls"?
[00:09] jarek: TheJH:  I have just run 'npm list -g' and it turns out that the problem is not with my package
[00:09] jarek: but with jison package (which I don't need any longer)
[00:09] jarek: jison@0.2.11 
[00:09] jarek: │ └── UNMET DEPENDENCY nomnom >= 0.4.3
[00:10] jarek: I have removed ~/.npm/jison directory, but the warning still shows up
[00:11] jarek: also, running 'npm uninstall jison' in the same directory in which I run 'npm list -g' gives me:
[00:11] TheJH: jarek, well, that's not the correct way to uninstall global stuff, I guess :D
[00:11] jarek: 'npm WARN Not installed'
[00:11] TheJH: jarek, you want "npm uninstall -g jison", I think
[00:11] chance-: anyone happen to use connect-auth?
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[00:12] chance-: * if so, what is the shared secret used for in basic auth?
[00:12] jarek: TheJH: thanks, this removed the package
[00:13] ossareh: after about 2.5 days my node process takes up 100% of CPU and spits out the following: http://pastebin.com/tdNsYwjy <- I think the bundle of munmap's is telling me that I have  a memory leak and the GC is stuck in a loop trying to clean up?
[00:14] TheJH: ossareh, any idea what could be leaking?
[00:15] ossareh: I'm sure it is some of our code, if indeed it is a leak
[00:15] TheJH: ossareh, it doesn't work completely reliable, but might be worth a try: assertvanish
[00:15] TheJH: !npm info assertvanish
[00:15] jhbot: assertvanish by Jann Horn, version 0.0.3-1: assert that an object will vanish
[00:16] TheJH: ossareh, basically, it lets you say "this object should disappear within ten minutes"
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[00:16] TheJH: ossareh, and it'll print a super-long reference backtree if the object is still in RAM
[00:17] ossareh: ah
[00:18] TheJH: I'm the author, but long time since I've looked at it the last time
[00:18] ossareh: The task is still the same, work out what could be not being cleared - this just lets you asset it.
[00:18] ossareh: *assert
[00:18] ossareh: thx :)
[00:18] ossareh: I was kinda hoping node-inspector would let us do memory profiling.
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[00:19] TheJH: ossareh, it has the advantage that you can write tests on top of it, e.g. socket.io uses it :)
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[00:20] TheJH: ossareh, so if you find out what leaks, you might be able to git bisect to find out who introduced the leak :D
[00:20] ossareh: <- introduced it
[00:20] ossareh: :)
[00:20] TheJH: :D
[00:21] ossareh: We have a couple of likely candidates 
[00:21] ossareh: I think I'll setup a testing process and have nginx dupe requests to it and see what this tells us.
[00:21] ossareh: thx
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[00:22] rayfinkle: is there a way to have callbacks pass in a param. i.e. http.createServer(function(req, res, third){}, param) where param gets passed in to the cb
[00:23] TheJH: rayfinkle, (function(third){http.createServer(function(req, res){...})})(...)
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[00:24] TheJH: rayfinkle, what's your usecase?
[00:24] rayfinkle: have a punch of config options i want to pass down to the http callback. may redesign to make this cleaner
[00:25] TheJH: rayfinkle, oh, you might want to have a look at my context module :)
[00:25] TheJH: !npm info context
[00:25] jhbot: context by Jann Horn, version 0.1.0: Shared context without passing stuff down all the way
[00:26] TheJH: rayfinkle, usage example: https://github.com/thejh/node-context/blob/master/test.js
[00:26] rayfinkle: ah very handy
[00:26] rayfinkle: ty
[00:27] TheJH: :)
[00:28] ken-ignite: has anybody gotten the error "Error: Cannot find module 'mkdirp'" when they try to run express? i get the error even when I try to check the version.
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[00:48] mavus: is there any reason for node failing to send a request with a If-None-Match header?
[00:48] mavus: this is the error I am getting: http://pastebin.com/VsLR44dN
[00:49] mavus: and this is my request: http://pastebin.com/ADKJ2UBs
[00:51] kurmangazy: what are some common XML formats? I want to write some real-world examples for my XML parsing API
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[01:10] aroman1: so uh, my http.request never calls its callback.
[01:11] igl: doh!
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[01:12] freewil: which callback?
[01:12] freewil: data?
[01:12] freewil: error?
[01:12] freewil: end?
[01:12] aroman1: wow i should read the documentation before asking questions
[01:12] freewil: yeah
[01:12] aroman1: i totally didn't see "Note that in the example req.end() was called. With http.request() one must always call req.end() to signify that you're done with the request - even if there is no data being written to the request body."
[01:12] freewil: and those are events actually emitted by the request object
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[01:19] aroman1: alright so this is hopefully a less obvious question, but is there any way of getting a callback for the *entire* body, instead of chunk-by-chunk?
[01:19] aroman1: I'm making a call to a JSON api so chunk-by-chunk is definitely not helpful
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[01:20] aroman1: ..or do I just append the chunks to a string and work with it on 'end'?
[01:20] Aria: That thing you just said.
[01:20] chjj: is anyone good at refspecs?
[01:20] aroman1: Aria: so the appending chunks and 'end' callback?
[01:20] Aria: Yep.
[01:21] aroman1: okay cool
[01:21] aroman1: 
ACTION is still wrapping his head around the node style

[01:21] Aria: Watch out for running yourself out of RAM, but that's the canonical way to do it. Or get a streaming JSON parser if you can't hold it all in RAM
[01:23] Aria: Yeah. It's one level lower-level than most people are used to thinking.
[01:23] Aria: You may not be manually allocating and freeing memory, but you have the control to get close.
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[01:30] aroman1: Aria: good to keep in mind, but definitely not a problem for scale :)
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[01:30] Aria: Good good.
[01:30] aroman1: another question, unrelated, is there any way to get node to automatically reload when the server file is changed?
[01:30] aroman1: (I'm spoiled by Django which does this(
[01:30] Aria: Might just make sense to have a failsafe bailout. "if length of string is more than 10MB, bail"
[01:31] aroman1: *)
[01:31] aroman1: Aria: good call
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[01:31] Aria: Yes, kinda. You have to restart the whole process, which may or may not be the thing you want.
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[01:31] Aria: Hot code reloading is hard.
[01:31] Aria: (though v8 has infrastructure for it, i'm not sure anyone's plumbed it into node)
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[01:32] aroman1: yeah the whole thing is fine. something analogous to killall myserver.js && ./myserver
[01:32] aroman1: (which is basically what I'm doing by hand)
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[01:36] kurmangazy: I hate to say this, but sax-js is sloooow
[01:36] kurmangazy: at least, whatever I got from git
[01:36] kurmangazy: maybe not the latest revision
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[01:38] kurmangazy: I'm running sax-js on an .ods file, and the cpu has been pinged at 100%, and it allocated 120MB
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[01:40] ryanrolds: How large is the ods document?
[01:40] kurmangazy: about 700k uncompressed
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[01:45] kurmangazy: it must be doing something horrifically inefficient
[01:45] ryanrolds: Well, working with XML is usually pretty horrific. ;)
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[01:46] kurmangazy: I've never tried to write a parser from scratch, but naively, it doesn't seem like such a huge deal (computationally)
[01:46] ryanrolds: Report the issue to isaacs. Also, how are you installing the modules? From scratch or using npm?
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[01:47] kurmangazy: I just did a git clone and I'm using the js file
[01:48] konobi: xml is a pita
[01:48] ryanrolds: There is no guarantee you're not getting a half broken dev copy. 
[01:48] kurmangazy: I accept that
[01:49] ryanrolds: You should use npm install release/stable copies.
[01:49] ryanrolds: It looks like the last released version of sax-js was 9/16.
[01:49] kurmangazy: I think I'm going to take node-expat and make it use the same callbacks
[01:50] ryanrolds: A lot of modules are in a state of flux because module owners are working on supporting 0.5.9/0.6.0
[01:50] ryanrolds: tl;dr Use npm, npmjs.org
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[01:51] kurmangazy: ok, thanks
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[01:52] chance-: are there a lot of changes coming down the pipes in .5.9? I havent looked
[01:53] jamescarr: a lot
[01:53] ryanrolds: A good number. Enough that many of the most used modules dealing with FD need some work.
[01:54] zmbmartin: anyone know how I can do something like this with jade --> https://gist.github.com/1291754
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[01:54] kurmangazy: I'm also using node from git, so it could be broken
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[01:54] zmbmartin: I need to loop through the coordinates in the script call for gmap3
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[01:55] zmbmartin: but I can't loop in a script call in jade that I know of...
[01:55] ryanrolds: kurmangazy: You're practially installing everything source when you could use the Node equivalent to apt-get/aptitude.
[01:55] ryanrolds: And not even from stable source.
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[01:55] chance-: zmbmartin : there's an each in jade
[01:55] chance-: - each item in items should do it
[01:56] chance-: thats off the cuff, so check my memory at jade's github page
[01:56] kurmangazy: ryanrolds: you mean by cloning stuff from git?
[01:56] zmbmartin: chance did you look at the gist.. I get a syntax error when trying to use it in a script tag.
[01:57] ryanrolds: If I installed Apache, PHP and MySQL from nightlies I would expect to have tons of problems.
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[01:59] kurmangazy: if I install stuff with npm, where does it put it?
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[01:59] ryanrolds: Usually ./node_modules, so local to the app you're working on.
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[02:00] kurmangazy: ryanrolds: oh
[02:00] libScout: i know this is caused from a lack of understanding mongoose... but whenever I perform a Model.find, the resulting can only be referenced once and then it errors out... what am i doing wrong?
[02:00] ryanrolds: If you add -g to end then it installs it globally.
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[02:00] chance-: zmbmartin - no, i iddnt see the gist
[02:01] ryanrolds: kurmangazy: http://howtonode.org/introduction-to-npm
[02:01] kurmangazy: ryanrolds: thanks
[02:01] ryanrolds: kurmangazy: Also this explains one of the main changes in NPM 1.0: http://blog.nodejs.org/2011/03/23/npm-1-0-global-vs-local-installation/
[02:04] libScout: the weird thing is that it executes fine, and renders the desired result... but then the script errors out with this "node.js:134         throw e; // process.nextTick error, or 'error' event on first tick         ^ TypeError: Cannot read property 'name' of null "
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[02:04] libScout: so some how the object is being destroyed and the callback is being called twice?
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[02:05] ryanrolds: This is why Jade/yml is poor abstraction
[02:05] ryanrolds: er yaml
[02:05] jamescarr: pretty sweet
[02:05] jamescarr: got nodemailer working, complete with jade based templates
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[02:05] jamescarr: yaml? not a fan
[02:05] ryanrolds: fuck, I mean haml
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[02:07] ryanrolds: Jade pretty much haml for Node.js
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[02:08] ryanrolds: It's a really poor abstraction as it really doesn't perform any sort of information hiding and one more layer that person has to debug.
[02:08] jamescarr: ryanrolds, yes, it is low level
[02:08] jamescarr: there are extensions on top of it I think though
[02:08] ryanrolds: It aggravates issues that abstrction is suppose to alleviate. 
[02:09] jamescarr: at the same time, I've come to despise abstractions in templates
[02:09] jamescarr: partials and such are fine...
[02:09] jamescarr: taglibs? JSF? no thanks.
[02:09] jamescarr: taglibs are 50/50, JSF? Hell NO
[02:09] jamescarr: I had a hard time with JSF
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[02:10] ryanrolds: If i need template engine I perform something like Mustache, or some engigne that just has the ability to do loops, conditionals and partials.
[02:10] ryanrolds: Ugh. * If I need a template enging I prefer something like...
[02:11] ryanrolds: *engine
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[02:11] ryanrolds: I need to stop watching TV and trying to help on IRC.
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[02:14] kurmangazy: why can't XML parsing be done using something like yacc? why does every parser create their own state machine by hand?
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[02:15] cafesofie: gouge your eyes out or roll your own state machine?
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[02:17] kurmangazy: I don't speak from much experience, here, but it seems like it ought to be *theoretically* possible to parse xml using a standard state machine and zero copies and zero allocations
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[02:19] kurmangazy: I looked at libxml2, and it's doing all kinds of crazy things
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[02:26] sechrist: Was npm bundle removed?
[02:27] sechrist: running npm 1.0.99
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[02:28] ryanrolds: Yes
[02:28] ryanrolds: http://npmjs.org/doc/bundle.html
[02:28] sechrist: hmm okay, so lets say there's a bug in a package available on npm
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[02:28] sechrist: I fork on github, and then I just have to manage deploying with git?
[02:29] sechrist: I saw one example using npm bundle install <url_to_github_tarball> which was pretty sick
[02:29] ryanrolds: You can do the same thing in your package.json
[02:29] ryanrolds: As well as npm install <url>
[02:29] ryanrolds: <3 npm
[02:29] purr: Let it be known that ryanrolds hearts npm.
[02:31] sechrist: sick
[02:31] sechrist: <3 npm
[02:31] purr: Let it be known that sechrist hearts npm.
[02:31] sechrist: <3 purr
[02:31] purr: Let it be known that sechrist hearts purr.
[02:31] ryanrolds: <3 boobs
[02:31] purr: Let it be known that ryanrolds hearts boobs.
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[02:44] davidvip: hi all
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[02:45] davidvip: anyone know any BadgerFish implementation using Nodejs?
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[02:48] ryanrolds: Nope, but that may a good module.
[02:49] ryanrolds: Heck, I would use it so that I could support xml & json on a restful API and convert the xml to json and just work with json.
[02:49] davidvip: it would be good if the mapping can be configurable using XML format A to JSON format B
[02:50] davidvip: useful for accepting XML stream from external source and convert into internal understood JSON format
[02:50] ryanrolds: Yeah.
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[02:51] davidvip: i  am planning for such implementation with a resource mapping file to wire things up
[02:51] kurmangazy: I'm working on an XML parser that's easy to use. so it should be easier to code something like that
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[02:53] kurmangazy: actually, the parser is pretty much done. just creating examples and messing with different low-level libraries
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[03:00] m0: Anyone here use mongoose populate ?
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[03:10] ryanrolds: Loving having to futs with /etc/security/limits.conf ;)
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[03:23] d4rk1ink__: ryanrolds: why?
[03:23] ryanrolds: Need to test some stuff with 5k concurrent requests.
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[04:00] kurmangazy: time to call it a day...
[04:00] kurmangazy: thanks for your help
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[04:46] brianc: howdy
[04:46] brianc: is anyone having trouble installing npm?
[04:46] brianc: getting: Unable to checkout '6563865b80573ad3c68834a6633aff6d322b59d5' in submodule path 'node_modules/request'
[04:46] brianc: fatal: reference is not a tree: 6563865b80573ad3c68834a6633aff6d322b59d5
[04:48] brianc: anyone? beuler?
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[04:50] Aria: Bet someone force-pushed and removed that specific ID from the git repo.
[04:51] brianc: well whoever did this is mean to me
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[04:54] brianc: weird
[04:54] brianc: i deleted my local repo
[04:54] brianc: and re-pulled it
[04:54] brianc: and it works now...
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[04:56] Aria: Funky!
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[05:02] fairwinds: ryah: is there a way to specify ssl for node build. I don't see options in configure script
[05:03] fairwinds: I currently have a couple of versions on my system, the system's ssl as well as a more current one built in /opt
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[05:13] zmbmartin: I have a string but I need to raw text from it. I am trying to do --> req.query[key] = "123 s main"; query.where(key, /req.query[key]/i); but I need req.query[key] to not be a string?
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[06:06] Nuck: v8> false||true
[06:06] v8bot_: Nuck: 
[06:06] purr: Nuck: (boolean) true
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[06:10] zmbmartin: my var = '123 s main' if I try to query in mongoose with --> address: /'123 s main'/i it returns nothing but --> address: /123 s main/i returns results. So doing --> address: /var/i does not work because it is a string. How can I fix this?
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[06:29] elliottcable: || ;(function(){ var up = Function
[06:29] elliottcable: ||   ;((ResolutionMutator = function(body){ var that
[06:29] elliottcable: ||     (that = function froxy(){ return that.body.call(this, arguments) })
[06:29] elliottcable: ||       ['__proto__'] = ResolutionMutator.prototype
[06:29] elliottcable: ||     
[06:29] elliottcable: ||     if (typeof(body) === "function") that.body = function(args){ return body.apply(this, args) }
[06:29] elliottcable: ||   .prototype = (function(){ var C = new Function(); C.prototype = up.prototype; return new C() })())
[06:29] elliottcable: ||     .constructor = ResolutionMutator })()
[06:29] elliottcable: >> new ResolutionMutator(function(){ console.log('yay!') })()
[06:29] purr: elliottcable: SyntaxError: Unexpected token )
[06:29] elliottcable: grrrrrrrr
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[07:13] tenumm: hello Knoders - I want to create v8 object on fly with connect method and numberOfConnections as property. Is it possible to do this via ObjectTemplate?
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[07:14] tenumm: if not what is best way to do that?
[07:14] konobi: X Y problem?
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[07:17] tenumm: any clue?
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[07:24] CIA-48: node: 03Yoshihiro Kikuchi 07 * rf90ba61 10/ lib/http.js : 
[07:24] CIA-48: node: http: tiny fix in http.js
[07:24] CIA-48: node: Fixes #1885. - http://git.io/ng2QXQ
[07:24] CIA-48: node: 03koichik 07 * rd2698d1 10/ test/simple/test-http-client-agent.js : http: add test for #1885 - http://git.io/4pZBlA
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[07:31] Nuck: Guys we're just 633 watchers behind RoR :D
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[07:32] SubStack: haha I
[07:32] SubStack: 'm not even watching node on github
[07:32] SubStack: too much noise
[07:32] Nuck: SubStack: pfffft
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[07:32] Nuck: SubStack: I don't get emails or anything
[07:32] Nuck: So nothing wrong for me :P
[07:32] SubStack: shit, I just got 4 new notifications >_<
[07:33] SubStack: I really need to pare down my notification backlog
[07:33] Nuck: http://peterlejeck.tk:3030/ 
[07:33] Nuck: pd
[07:33] Nuck: :D
[07:33] Nuck: 
ACTION 's right hand was up a key

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[07:41] eddyb: lol
[07:41] eddyb: apparently, you can code your node in teh cloud
[07:41] eddyb: http://cloud9ide.com
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[07:41] cafesofie: note: don't actually use cloud9
[07:42] eddyb: Important: in your scripts, use 'process.env.C9_PORT' as port and '0.0.0.0' as host.
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[07:44] toby1: I wonder if any of you guys would be able to answer a newbie question about a very basic node server running socket.io
[07:44] eddyb: crap, no node-waf
[07:45] robertjd: what's your question toby?
[07:46] toby1: well I would like to generate a socket emit broadcast to all clients, but from a normal http incoming page request. The incoming client cannot run javascript so cannot connect to the socket.io in the normal way, but it can connect to the port
[07:47] toby1: is there any way to call an emit to all clients from the basic http server function?
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[07:47] eddyb: is there any way to make the Stream-based zlib in 0.5 synchronous?
[07:48] konobi: eddyb: why?
[07:49] eddyb: because I can't compile C++-based modules on cloud9
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[07:50] konobi: upload to another host?
[07:50] nroot7: I have written a xmpp client using node-xmpp and after I make the connections and set all callbacks the program just exists. How can make it stay alive
[07:51] elliottcable: well that’s one of the … odder … lines of code I’ve ever written
[07:51] eddyb: konobi: doesn't work that way
[07:51] elliottcable: switch (that) { case root:; case paws:; case arguments.callee.caller:; return false }
[07:51] robertjd: toby, so you just need an http response handler in node to send a socket event?
[07:51] elliottcable: nroot7:  ↑ wat
[07:51] konobi: eddyb: i thought it depended on which hosting you got cloud9ide to deploy to
[07:52] elliottcable: er, Nuck*
[07:52] elliottcable: sorry nroot7
[07:52] toby1: robertjd: yes that's exactly right
[07:52] elliottcable: nroot7:  if you made a connection, it shouldn’t exit. I’m not familiar with node-xmpp though, sorry.
[07:53] elliottcable: make sure you’re doing whatever their API documentation says to; you may never actually be calling whatever code starting their server
[07:53] elliottcable: starts*
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[07:53] nroot7: elliottcable: I dont think its specific to node-xmpp basically e.g. in express we call .listen and the program doesnt exit
[07:53] toby1: robertjd: I am calling it from a second life script and cannot do it the normal way with javascript in the client - there is no client as such, just an HTTPrequest
[07:54] eddyb: konobi: you can't change that without paying
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[07:54] konobi: eddyb: ah... heh
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[07:57] nroot7: elliottcable: What I want is some kind of flow control, so that I can wait for callbacks etc
[07:57] robertjd: toby: my first thought was to try what is exampled in this google group post, http://ow.ly/6Zeh7 but it seems that doesn't work.
[07:58] elliottcable: nroot7:  that’s … not how Node works.
[07:58] elliottcable: nroot7:  you don’t control the reactor from within your tick. You setup callbacks, and once they exist, you end your tick.
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[07:58] elliottcable: nroot7:  when there are no more callbacks or anything, *that’s* when Node exits. If it’s exiting, that means no callbacks were ever set, no server was ever started.
[07:58] elliottcable: Make sense?
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[07:59] nroot7: elliottcable: Not really. I can share the code, can you take a look ?
[07:59] elliottcable: I’m afraid I can’t, really busy. But if you post it in here, someone will hopefully take a look.
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[07:59] nroot7: ok
[07:59] elliottcable: I suggest you make the example as short as you possibly can, though. (=
[08:00] toby1: robertjd: yeah the basic problem is that the socket gandle only exists as a variable within the on connection function - it's not global. 
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[08:00] toby1: robertjd: hnadle
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[08:00] toby1: robertjd: handle
[08:02] robertjd: toby: could you create a socket.io client from within an http handler, and then have that client connect to the local socket.io server and sent it an event?
[08:03] nroot7: elliottcable: It worked, thanks. Silly syntax error.
[08:03] elliottcable: nroot7:  hahaha.
[08:03] elliottcable: nroot7:  neat ^‿^
[08:03] elliottcable: 
ACTION has been there

[08:03] elliottcable: 
ACTION so many times

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[08:04] toby1: robertjd: yes that is what I am trying - socket.io-client
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[08:04] robertjd: toby1: anyluck?
[08:06] toby1: robertjd  Not yet but I'm sure that is the way - client from within the http function itself. Thanks robertjd. 
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[08:09] Industrial: I have a question about REST architecture. Say you have two resources User and Monster; To add a monster to a user would you do POST /users/123/monsters/345 with the body containing a whole new monster or would you first POST /monsters/123 then POST /users/123/monsters/123 with only the ID of the already existing monster? or would you POST /monsters/123 also including a user ID in the body
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[08:13] konobi: either, or, both
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[08:23] eddyb: how can I force require to load the zlib I installed myself instead of the native one?
[08:25] chilts: use a relative path, starting with . or ..
[08:25] eddyb: but then, module.exports = require('./zlib_bindings'); in the module doesn't work anymore
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[08:27] JakeyChan: how to execute node with special account ?
[08:27] JakeyChan: like: node xx.js --user my_account
[08:28] eddyb: chilts: any chance I can ignore the builtin one?
[08:28] eddyb: I was expecting it to have sync operations too, but nah, they were too lazy
[08:28] chilts: eddyb: dunno, but can I check that you are doing the require path relative to the _current_ file?
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[08:29] chilts: eddyb: if you want sync, write some :)
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[08:29] chilts: and contribute it back
[08:29] eddyb: whoever wrote the async one
[08:29] eddyb: spent way more time on that
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[08:29] chilts: though I must admit, most people are going from sync to async - makes more sense
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[08:29] eddyb: because it's sync+magic to make it async
[08:30] eddyb: but there's no sync interface
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[08:30] eddyb: chilts: it also makes sense to be able to block waiting for a result
[08:30] chilts: am not sure why you want sync since most of the rest of Node is async, so you gotta figure that out one day
[08:31] eddyb: chilts: I can not concat buffers and send them async
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[08:31] eddyb: because I can't deflate() a darn buffer syncly
[08:31] eddyb: the rest of my code is async
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[08:32] eddyb: chilts: and I hate having zlib installed in my project directory
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[08:34] eddyb: hmm, nevermind all that
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[08:41] eddyb: ofc
[08:41] eddyb: https://github.com/ssuda/node-zlib-sync
[08:41] eddyb: this had to be not working, as well
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[08:47] Ang3: hey guys - i start with node, i am wondering if there is a async way to write a for loop ? 
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[08:48] Industrial: Ang3: there's many articles on this
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[08:52] konobi: Ang3: X Y Problem?
[08:52] Ang3: ?
[08:53] konobi: google it =0)
[08:53] Ang3: i'm checking Google yes =-
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[08:53] Ang3: i'm reading the mixu's blog :)
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[08:55] konobi: try the perl monks article instead
[08:55] Ang3: do you got the link ?
[08:56] SubStack: hey I know that article
[08:56] konobi: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=542341
[08:56] Ang3: thx !
[08:56] SubStack: 
ACTION made it all the way to monk on that site by posting mainly perl poems and golf entries

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[09:01] konobi: Ang3: comprehend?
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[09:02] Ang3: nop
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[09:14] konobi: Ang3: if you're asking about async for loops, that tends to suggest you're wanting to do some async io work in order?
[09:15] konobi: (in a specific order that is)
[09:17] konobi: Ang3: know what that "work" is might give a better indication of what to point you at
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[09:21] Ang3: hum node work in a async way no ?
[09:22] TheJH: Ang3, maybe you want to have a look at a flow control library
[09:23] TheJH: !@Ang3 npm info async
[09:23] jhbot: Ang3, async by Caolan McMahon, version 0.1.12: Higher-order functions and common patterns for asynchronous code
[09:24] konobi: Ang3: async aspect is really only important for I/O bound tasks
[09:26] konobi: Ang3: what makes you think for loops are any less async?
[09:26] konobi: =0)
[09:27] Ang3: just askinh konobi… Is thta the right way to write asycn code? http://pastebin.com/9Y5Tr5Ni 
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[09:28] TheJH: Ang3, that has nothing to do yith asyncness
[09:28] TheJH: Ang3, and that's fine
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[09:29] TheJH: Ang3, you only need asyncness when you use files or the network, not for such things that only change some variables or calculate stuff
[09:29] Ang3: hum the return is also good ? may i not remplace it by a callback(myObk) ?
[09:29] Ang3: k
[09:30] Ang3: callback(myObj)* 
[09:31] TheJH: Ang3, really, don't use a callback for that, it's unnecessary
[09:31] Glenjamin: TheJH: i'd say async is equally important for CPU tasks, which was the point of that whole fib debacle
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[09:32] TheJH: Glenjamin, true, but not for him, he's just doing some stuff on three arrays
[09:32] Glenjamin: although knowing when to, and when not to is dark magic
[09:32] jhbot: DARK MAGIC! MUHAHA!
[09:32] Ang3: lol Glenjamin 
[09:32] TheJH: actually, I should build a bot trigger for that...
[09:32] TheJH: or maybe not
[09:32] Ang3: it looks like dark magic from outside yes :)
[09:34] konobi: Glenjamin: nothing makes cpu bound tasks easier =0)
[09:34] Ang3: ok so if i get it rught the rule is : async for manipulating file or network for simple stuff i should it the regular way ? 
[09:35] Ang3: no callback & stuff
[09:36] TheJH: Ang3, yes
[09:36] Ang3: ok !
[09:36] Ang3: thx for helping
[09:36] TheJH: Ang3, although you might want to do some special evil dark magic stuff in case you have to do really cpu-heavy stuff
[09:37] TheJH: Ang3, but most people don't need that, I think
[09:38] Ang3: well, what i want to do is a simple Kanban tool  with Jquery & Node nothing heavy
[09:38] Ang3: the code is here btw : https://github.com/angezanetti/Qanban
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[09:55] SubStack: curl -sSNT. 71.198.76.38:8000
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[10:05] Glenjamin: it seems to be some sort of prompt
[10:05] Glenjamin: in curl
[10:05] Glenjamin: wait what, what are these switches
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[10:14] SubStack: Glenjamin: https://gist.github.com/1292314
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[10:17] jamescarr: hey, any idea on how to turn logging off in socket.io?
[10:17] jamescarr: io.disable('log') doesnt seem to do the trick
[10:19] Glenjamin: SubStack: what's the 0 buffer for?
[10:19] SubStack: Glenjamin: it's a work-around for a bug in curl
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[10:27] `3rdEden: jamescarr it will work in the next version of socket.io
[10:27] `3rdEden: thats a bug
[10:27] `3rdEden: in the mean time you can silence the log level
[10:27] `3rdEden: io.set('log level', -1);
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[10:31] jamescarr: thanks
[10:31] jamescarr: I disabled it and it caused problems ;)
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[10:40] jesjos: Could someone recommend a framework for integration testing a node.js app? We've been trying to use zombie.js-package for some parts of the testing, but the documentation is lacking.
[10:42] Yuezi: anyone has quora invitation?
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[10:45] jamescarr: man
[10:45] jamescarr: one day I am going to sit down and correct the amqp module
[10:45] jamescarr: it's... chaotic
[10:45] jamescarr: to say the least
[10:46] TheJH: amqp?
[10:46] TheJH: !npm info amqp
[10:46] jhbot: amqp by Ryan Dahl, version 0.1.0: AMQP driver for node
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[10:48] jamescarr: `3rdEden, hey quick question
[10:48] jamescarr: is there a way to set an event handler to broadcast something outside of the connection callback?
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[10:49] jamescarr: I don't like adding event handlers inside of that callback
[10:49] jamescarr: it's buggy
[10:49] jamescarr: and leaky
[10:50] mmalecki: Ryan Dahl? I doubt it's his module...
[10:50] mmalecki: https://github.com/postwait/node-amqp
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[10:50] jamescarr: he wrote it originally
[10:50] mmalecki: ah, ok
[10:50] `3rdEden: jamescarr you can do: io.sockets.emit / io.sockets.send to broadcast your message to all connected uers.
[10:52] konobi: jamescarr: fix rabbitmq while you're at it =0)
[10:52] jamescarr: konobi, oh?
[10:52] `3rdEden: rewrite rabbitmq in node while you are at it
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[10:54] konobi: jamescarr: yeah... it's um... "fun" to profile under load =0)
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[10:58] Industrial: I have a question about REST architecture. Say you have two resources User and Monster; To add a monster to a user would you do POST /users/123/monsters/345 with the body containing a whole new monster or would you first POST /monsters/123 then POST /users/123/monsters/123 with only the ID of the already existing monster? or would you POST /monsters/123 also including a user ID in the body
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[10:58] Industrial: konobi: you said 'either or both' <-- that's not really a usable answer.
[11:00] konobi: Industrial: sure it is
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[11:02] konobi: in that scenario... /users/<id>/monsters is the same as /monsters but with a user_id filter
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[11:03] konobi: your POST response would contain the ID of the monster (the new resource)
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[11:03] konobi: the question then is can you POST a monster without a user id?
[11:04] konobi: and if it's required, do you need to be logged in to post to /monsters?
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[11:07] konobi: Industrial: that make sense?
[11:08] Industrial: the login is all taken care of, the whole API is not accessible without an OAuth session (custom provider)
[11:09] konobi: then why not support both endpoints?
[11:09] Industrial: right
[11:09] Industrial: thanks
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[11:11] konobi: Industrial: the question then is how you restrict those endpoints across varying accounts, etc. etc.
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[11:14] konobi: Industrial: also, you might find restify fun to use
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[11:19] konobi: Industrial: https://github.com/mcavage/node-restify
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[11:22] Industrial: konobi: I'm using express-resource now. Can't really change :)
[11:22] Industrial: as we're in production already
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[11:44] `3rdEden: totally offtopic but if you got HN account, can I score you upvote on: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3120069 ;o?
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[11:46] TheCode: In c.pipe(c), what kind of object is c?
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[11:47] mmalecki: TheCode: stream
[11:47] mmalecki: `3rdEden: my talk got kinda accepted :)
[11:48] mmalecki: kinda because the guy accepting talks isn't there, but organizer likes it
[11:48] TheCode: Hmm thanks, let me look up.
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[11:51] pvgrif: hi
[11:52] jamescarr: hmm
[11:52] jamescarr: is there some kind of service or library that tells me the current time in CA?
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[11:52] pvgrif: i want to proxy an image through my server, the client sends this URL1/?image=URL2 and i want to send him the image at URL2, whats the most efficient way of doing this?
[11:53] pvgrif: is there a kind of http pipe like for streams?
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[11:55] TheCode: How do you identify the clients indivudually that have connected to a server?
[11:56] pvgrif: sessions?
[11:57] TheCode: well it's not going to be an HTTP server
[11:58] pvgrif: im just guessing but if you want to identify clients individiualy you are ultimately going to need to give them a unique token each, or the equivalent of a session even if its not http
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[11:59] TheCode: Yep, but how do we do it?
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[12:02] pvgrif: TheCode: generate a random string, give it to the user and tell him to send it back to you everytime he talks to the server
[12:03] pvgrif: you d have to store on the server what each "string" is allowed to do or whatever your application logic is
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[12:03] TheCode: And store the string something like clients[random_numer] = c ?
[12:03] TheCode: where c, is the stream that connected
[12:04] pvgrif: TheCode: use a random long string, that no one can generate easily
[12:04] pvgrif: but thats the idea
[12:04] TheCode: Yea
[12:04] pvgrif: the strings shouldnt be easy to predict
[12:04] `3rdEden: mmalecki congrats :)
[12:04] TheCode: How do you get the IP address of the client?
[12:05] pvgrif:  ive no idea
[12:05] TheCode: timestamp and ip and rand should take care of it mostly
[12:05] mmalecki: `3rdEden: thanks :). I'm kinda nervous now
[12:05] pvgrif: i wouldnt use ips, there might be several users behind the same router
[12:05] pvgrif: with one ip
[12:05] TheCode: timestamp and rand componnet will take care of that
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[12:16] TheCode: Guys, isn't there a way for the Node server to know the client's IP, port etc?
[12:17] TheCode: The should be an object in the connection/stream object, which contains those info
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[12:17] TheJH: TheCode, there is
[12:17] TheCode: Point me
[12:17] TheCode: to it 
[12:17] TheJH: !docs search client ip
[12:17] jhbot: section "net": http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/all.html#net
[12:17] jhbot: section "UDP / Datagram Sockets": http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/all.html#uDP_Datagram_Sockets
[12:17] jhbot: section "http.ClientRequest": http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/all.html#http.ClientRequest
[12:17] TheCode: Not UDP, TCP
[12:18] TheCode: And not HTTP server, I am doing a plain net.Server
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[12:19] TheJH: TheCode, on "connection" event, you get a socket. and that Socket has remoteAddress and remotePort
[12:19] TheJH: http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/all.html#socket.remoteAddress
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[12:20] TheCode: Yes, just saw it. Thanks bro.
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[12:21] okCPU: im getting multiple requests when using express and mongoose together and I am stumped... been at it for a while now and can't see what I am doing wrong
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[12:25] TheJH: okCPU, favicon?
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[12:25] TheJH: okCPU, you mean, you open a page in the browser and your server gets two requests?
[12:25] TheJH: okCPU, in that case, one of them probably is the favicon thing
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[12:27] okCPU: TheJH, iw as under the impression that express takes care of the favicon issue... no?
[12:28] TheJH: okCPU, I don't know much about express
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[12:29] okCPU: TheJH, thanks anyway
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[12:58] simenbrekken: Is there a way to alter the current system time in node? I'm doing some time-dependent tests
[12:59] Glenjamin: i'd recommend abstracting out the date handling one level, and then stubbing that
[12:59] Glenjamin: since the date API in Javascript is horrible anyway
[13:00] Glenjamin: failing that, take a look at sinon.js - it has some time mocking stuff built-in
[13:00] mmalecki: or monkey-patching Date
[13:00] TheCode: use child_process and use system tools, sime*
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[13:00] JakeyChan: node xx.js -f xxx.js $@ ?? what does this command means?
[13:01] simenbrekken: mmalecki: good idea with the monkey patch, fast and easy
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[13:01] mmalecki: simenbrekken: I'm writing some library for easy monkey-patching things with possibility to revert things
[13:01] mmalecki: you may use it when I'm done
[13:02] mmalecki: but those are tests anyway, so I doubt you will want to revert it
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[13:02] simenbrekken: I'll have to because I'm testing two scenarios
[13:02] TheCode: Does the net data event contain the client info like IP and port? Or does it send only the data?
[13:02] TheCode: Or maybe a reference to the socket?
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[13:04] Glenjamin: simenbrekken: http://sinonjs.org/docs/#clock-api
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[13:05] simenbrekken: Glenjamin: excellent, thanks!
[13:05] Glenjamin: also check the sandboxing docs, which are a nice way to group stubs together per-test
[13:05] TheCode: Eh! Got it. 
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[13:26] qbit: hello
[13:28] Sembiance: hello qbit
[13:28] qbit: how's it going Sembiance ? 
[13:28] Sembiance: qbit: pretty good :)
[13:29] qbit: sweet
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[13:29] Sembiance: you?
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[13:29] qbit: pretty darn good :D
[13:30] qbit: trying to get a newer node version on openbsd :D but having an issue with 3rd party modules that compile against libev
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[13:31] qbit: they compile fine.. they just crap out when i require() them
[13:31] JakeyChan: hi ? giddy support guy is here ?
[13:31] JakeyChan: geddy ?
[13:31] qbit: and it isn't even 0.5.x :P 
[13:31] JakeyChan: when use geddy command, it output permission denied
[13:31] JakeyChan: why ?
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[13:34] lv: for this tag <script src="/socket.io/socket.io.js"></script>  in client side code "/socket.io/socket.io.js" file not working in my system.  where is the external path for this file?
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[13:45] trose: hey all, I'm trying to manually grab file data from an html form so I can pipe it through socket.io. What is the proper way to do this? I'm using input = $('#uploadForm :input') right now but I don't think it's giving me the raw file data
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[13:52] JCBarry: hello
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[13:55] qbit: hi JCBarry 
[13:56] whse: Good (time zone relevant phrase) all
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[13:57] whse: Quick opinion: in writing my GNTP library, I've come down to sending identifiers for binary data, and possible caching by the server. The question becomes UUIDs or MD5s?
[13:58] whse: UUIDs of course would provide unique per-resource, but not necessarily unique per-data ... and for the most part this part of the protocol would be sending icon images, etc, which are unlikely to run into a md5 collision
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[14:02] JakeyChan: How can I add new adapter for mysql in geddy framework ?
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[14:02] saebekassebil: Hi everybody, I've got a weird problem with local time in node.js
[14:03] saebekassebil: `date` gives me my correct localtime (UTC+2)
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[14:03] saebekassebil: but node.js: new Date(), insists on giving me UTC time
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[14:03] saebekassebil: even though it should return localtime, which my browser does.
[14:03] saebekassebil: Does any of you guys have a solution for that?
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[14:12] jbpros: hey guys -- any recommendation on some npm package to load an XML fragment by ID from a local HTML file?
[14:12] jbpros: a stable nokogiri-like?
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[14:12] pquerna: jbpros: https://github.com/racker/node-elementtree
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[14:13] pquerna: jbpros: you can use doc.find() with some basic-xpath like things in it..
[14:13] jbpros: pquerna: thanks, seems pretty young, right?
[14:13] pquerna: jbpros: https://github.com/racker/node-elementtree/blob/master/tests/test-simple.js#L128
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[14:14] pquerna: jbpros: its node, everything is young :) ... but we at rax wrote it because we weren't happy with our existing non-SAX xml parser choices
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[14:14] jbpros: pquerna: heh, good point. I'm giving it a spin now.
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[14:16] jbpros: pquerna: this one is a sax parser,n right?
[14:16] jbpros: s/,n/,/
[14:16] pquerna: internally, it uses a sax parser to generate the elementree
[14:16] martin_sunset:  Check. Out jsdom
[14:16] jbpros: martin_sunset: out?
[14:17] martin_sunset: I am typing this on my iPad... Check out jsdom as a nokogiri replacement
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[14:18] jbpros: martin_sunset: we're actually using jsdom already. But it's asynchronous and giving us headaches when used with jasmine
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[14:18] jbpros: we build up a "window" object with jsdom, it works pretty well. But I know just need another html fragment to be injected into it, synchronously
[14:19] jbpros: s/know/now/
[14:19] martin_sunset: Hmm, can't help you there, sorry.
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[14:20] fraank000:  @?saebekassebil try add .toLocaleString()
[14:21] jbpros: martin_sunset: np, thanks anyway
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[14:22] MooGoo: jbpros: libxmljs is nice
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[14:23] jbpros: MooGoo: thanks, I'll look into it
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[14:23] MooGoo: last I tried it, jsdom was very slow
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[14:24] jbpros: MooGoo: yeah but jsdom has the ability to handle a full DOM with scripts loaded in it, etc
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[14:25] jbpros: MooGoo: but here I just want to parse an HTML file. libxmljs or element tree will be enough
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[14:27] MooGoo: full dom and script support is total overkill for scraping data usualy
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[14:28] jbpros: MooGoo: indeed :)
[14:28] jbpros: MooGoo: but we use Jsdom in our jasmine specs to create a "window"
[14:28] jbpros: there it makes sense, IMO
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[14:29] MooGoo: a window eh
[14:30] jbpros: MooGoo: we're testing client code
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[14:38] waheedi: Hey everybody :)
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[14:39] waheedi: ok my problem  is: i have a node js application that stands as an API for our system
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[14:39] waheedi: so several quiries happening, and i need to know when are all the quires are finished so i return response to the request
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[14:40] waheedi: i just want to know the best way to do that
[14:40] waheedi: is it to use some kind of module like Step
[14:40] waheedi: or serial functions?
[14:40] waheedi: or just use eventemitter ?
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[14:43] waheedi: walking dead
[14:44] whse: waheedi: never looked at Step, but EE + checks on whether all the component queries have returned seems a little clunky but usable
[14:44] mmalecki: use async
[14:44] waheedi: yeah have seen async no different than step
[14:44] mmalecki: !npm info async
[14:44] jhbot: async by Caolan McMahon, version 0.1.12: Higher-order functions and common patterns for asynchronous code
[14:44] waheedi: Step smaller 
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[14:45] whse: though looking at Step now, in overview it looks like it may be what you want
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[14:46] waheedi: yes thank you whse
[14:46] JakeyChan: hi ?
[14:46] lz: sup
[14:46] waheedi: Hi JakeyChan 
[14:46] JakeyChan: do you have suggestion for building the REST server :)
[14:46] JakeyChan: which framework is good at that 
[14:47] lz: express
[14:47] JakeyChan: I am trying to use geddy
[14:47] JakeyChan: express ?
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[14:47] JakeyChan: why express ?
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[14:48] lz: personally I like express
[14:48] lz: it's lightweight and powerful
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[14:49] waheedi: personally i hate frameworks :)
[14:49] JakeyChan: OK
[14:49] JakeyChan: yeah
[14:49] JakeyChan: I hate too
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[14:49] tbranyen: i hate everything
[14:49] waheedi: lol
[14:49] JakeyChan: but I don't have ability to build project without it :(
[14:49] waheedi: i love NYC
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[14:49] JakeyChan: :D
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[15:03] senorpedro: hi
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[15:03] senorpedro: is there a way to fork() a process in node.js?
[15:03] senorpedro: all i could find is the module 'child_processes' which spawns a shell command....
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[15:06] whse: look into Cluster senorpedro 
[15:06] senorpedro: i found a couple of worker modules on github but i dont want to use a separate file
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[15:09] Glenjamin: senorpedro: there's no ruby-style fork
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[15:11] senorpedro: Glenjamin: why not? 
[15:11] senorpedro: i mean, is there a reason?
[15:11] Glenjamin: dunno
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[15:16] ryanrolds: Glenjamin: Is it really a ruby-style fork? Sounds like he asking for a normal old fork(), the kind you seen in a lot of langauges.
[15:16] senorpedro: yeah
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[15:16] senorpedro: i want the regular childpid = fork() thing
[15:17] ryanrolds: Yeah, the kind you see in POSIX. ;)
[15:17] ryanrolds: But Ruby did do everything first.
[15:18] baudehlo1: senorpedro: I've asked for regular fork() before, and the core devs don't want to provide it because it can potentially cause problems with the event loops. I'd rather take that risk than not have it, but I kind of understand why it's not in core.
[15:18] baudehlo1: I just hate that they put an API named fork() in 0.6 and it's not a real fork() as every unix programmer understands it.
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[15:19] senorpedro: ok, thx for the info
[15:19] baudehlo1: it should be easy to write a C++ extension to provide it. Don't know why nobody has done it before.
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[15:20] baudehlo1: Also, it will never work on Windows (as it doesn't have the concept of forking a process), so it won't ever go into core now.
[15:20] ryanrolds: baudehlo1: Yeah, I can agree with the naming confusion. I just had to lookup child_process.fork() to make sure it wasn't a normal fork().
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[15:21] ryanrolds: That said, child_process.fork() is pretty nice. 
[15:21] baudehlo1: yeah, it should just be called something like child_process.newChildWithCommunicationChannel() ;-)
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[15:24] Glenjamin: i assumed it forked the intepreter
[15:24] Glenjamin: but then created a new execution stack
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[15:27] baudehlo1: Nah.
[15:27] baudehlo1: Glenjamin: it just spawns a whole new process running "node script.js"
[15:27] baudehlo1: https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/lib/child_process.js#L150
[15:28] Glenjamin: then why call it fork :s
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[15:28] baudehlo1: beats the shit out of me.
[15:29] mmalecki: huh? it doesn't fork the interpreter?
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[15:31] tjholowaychuk: it does fork
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[15:31] baudehlo1: well… yeah in the sense that it fork/execs
[15:31] tjholowaychuk: yeah
[15:31] baudehlo1: I have a hard time calling a fork+exec a fork.
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[15:32] baudehlo1: and it doesn't fork() on windows.
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[15:32] mmalecki: who cares about windows, again?
[15:32] tjholowaychuk: joyent
[15:32] tjholowaychuk: haha
[15:32] tjholowaychuk: that's about it i guess
[15:33] mmalecki: yeah, that's too much anyway
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[15:34] tjholowaychuk: Assertion failed: (0), function uv_err_name, file src/uv-common.c, line 92.
[15:34] tjholowaychuk: oh noes
[15:35] mmalecki: hm?
[15:35] mmalecki: where?
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[15:35] tjholowaychuk: taking a look
[15:35] tjholowaychuk: might have been fixed in a later release
[15:36] TheJH: tjholowaychuk, bug is still open: https://github.com/joyent/libuv/issues/206
[15:36] tjholowaychuk: ah ok thanks
[15:37] jamescarr: who cares about windows?
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[15:39] baudehlo1: sadly a large number of developers.
[15:39] Glenjamin: isn't windows actually slightly better at async disk IO?
[15:40] baudehlo1: I don't know that anyone has ever seriously measured it.
[15:40] baudehlo1: But in API terms, I think so.
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[15:43] xerox: what is commitsfromlastnight.com
[15:43] TheJH: xerox, I'd say it's a password protected webpage
[15:44] freewil: must be drunken mistakes by developers
[15:44] Aikar: lol
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[15:46] Glenjamin: how did you come across it?
[15:46] xerox: http://www.commitlogsfromlastnight.com/
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[15:46] xerox: I mean, TheJH 
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[15:47] DPG: can somebody tell me how i can broadcast a message from a socket.io server?
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[15:47] mmalecki: https://github.com/mmalecki/nodejs-vs-ror/commit/8a705c0e423f4eabdc6448190595c2f1ff635cf1 <- good example.
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[15:48] TheJH: mmalecki, 
[15:48] DPG: mma sure?
[15:48] Glenjamin: surely you can do seconds math by reflex
[15:48] Glenjamin: 1 day = 86400
[15:48] DPG: xD
[15:48] DPG: thejh can you speak german?
[15:49] TheJH: DPG, yes, I'm from germany, why?
[15:49] DPG: then i know you 
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[15:49] TheJH: DPG, huh? scary
[15:49] DPG: 2 or 4 weeks ago you helped me with a simple http server
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[15:50] TheJH: DPG, you mean, on IRC, right?
[15:50] DPG: yes
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[15:51] TheJH: DPG, ah, yes, my chat logs say Oct 03 00:42:38
[15:51] DPG: nerd :P
[15:51] mmalecki: I like tjholowaychuk's commits XD
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[15:52] tjholowaychuk: what lol
[15:52] tjholowaychuk: my misc misc misc commits?
[15:52] DPG: thejh any experience in socket.io?
[15:52] mmalecki: no, those at the bottom of this site
[15:52] ryanrolds: fuck
[15:52] TheJH: DPG, a little bit
[15:53] ryanrolds: I wish the site linked to the commit.
[15:53] DPG: enought to help me broadcasting a message to all clients?
[15:53] tjholowaychuk: mmalecki ahahha
[15:53] tjholowaychuk: awesome
[15:53] Glenjamin: whats the criteria?
[15:53] Jarda: hmm
[15:54] ryanrolds: Haha, There is a string of 'fuck's from visionmedia near the bottom. Bad night?
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[15:55] TheJH: DPG, see the github page of socket.io: "io.sockets.emit('this', { will: 'be received by everyone' });"
[15:55] tjholowaychuk: ryanrolds not sure what those are from haha
[15:55] tjholowaychuk: i dont even remember committing one "fuck"
[15:55] tjholowaychuk: let alone like 8
[15:56] mmalecki: definitely a drunk night
[15:56] mmalecki: I think I've done some commits on rupy conf after-party
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[15:56] mmalecki: but I'm not sure where
[15:57] ryanrolds: I'm suprised links to the commits are provided, makes me a bit suspicious. 
[15:57] mmalecki: are they?
[15:57] ryanrolds: sorry
[15:57] ryanrolds: aren't
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[15:58] DPG: thanks
[15:58] DPG: it works now =)
[15:58] ryanrolds: Found one: https://github.com/joyent/illumos-kvm/blob/0e6c2ff4ef31d89a3a69aee5ef7c83aefdd326fc/kvm.c
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[15:59] ryanrolds: tjholowaychuk: https://github.com/LearnBoost/cluster-mail/commit/a907e09ca252232aeee05ebc73930db55eab0bfe
[15:59] tjholowaychuk: ahahha
[15:59] tjholowaychuk: oh right
[15:59] xerox: yes what is that site
[15:59] tjholowaychuk: stupid redirect crap
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[16:00] ryanrolds: Well, I'm no longer suspicous. Looks legit.
[16:01] DPG: afk
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[16:03] garrensmith: hi all
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[16:03] isaacs: hi garrensmith 
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[16:05] nibblebot: tjholowaychuk: have you seen cluster master process balloon in memory consumption after several hours? i'm using logger, pidfiles and cli plugins only, any ideas for tracking memory usage down?
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[16:05] tjholowaychuk: nibblebot not personally no
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[16:08] juanlargo_: Hello to all!  Am brand new to node, have written my first app with socket.io/express/mongodb and am now looking for some quick resources or advice on best practices with regard to app organization in Express
[16:08] juanlargo_: would this be the right place for that kind of question?
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[16:09] tjholowaychuk: juanlargo_ jump in #express
[16:10] juanlargo_: tj, thanks will do
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[16:14] senorpedro: can i redirect the console.log output to a variable or a file?
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[16:14] tuhoojabotti: senorpedro: Try searching npm for loggers?
[16:14] brianc: senorpedro: node index.js > output.txt
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[16:15] tuhoojabotti: oh yeah
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[16:15] senorpedro: brianc: no i mean in a script
[16:15] senorpedro: during runtime
[16:15] brianc: senorpedro: you can override console.log to do whatever you want...though like tuhoojabotti said it's probably better to use a logger library for that purpose
[16:15] mmalecki: process.__defineGetter__('stdout', function () { // return stream });
[16:15] tuhoojabotti: Yes.
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[16:15] mmalecki: but that's bad.
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[16:15] mmalecki: and you shouldn't do that.
[16:15] tuhoojabotti: Shame on you
[16:15] mmalecki: at all.
[16:16] tuhoojabotti: Why did you bring that up?
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[16:16] mmalecki: yeah, fuck.
[16:16] tjholowaychuk: mmalecki++
[16:16] v8bot_:  tjholowaychuk has given a beer to mmalecki. mmalecki now has 1 beers.
[16:16] tjholowaychuk: accessors suck
[16:16] hotch: what would anyone say is the "best" module for running a background cron style job with node?
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[16:17] Jarda: yhmm.. setInterval?
[16:17] brianc: hotch: kue?
[16:17] Aikar: cp.exec('nohup node foo.js 1>/dev/null 2>&1'); ?
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[16:18] Aikar: cp.exec('nohup node foo.js 1>/dev/null 2>&1 &'); 
[16:18] senorpedro: brianc: no i dont want to overwrite it. i want the exact behaviour, but the output in a string var
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[16:18] brianc: senorpedro: you mean you want the formatting? because console.log writes to the console. that's what it does.  
[16:18] hotch: nice thx brianc 
[16:19] brianc: senorpedro: there is a 'require('util').format' function which does the "%s, %d" substitution done in console.log but returns the result as a string.
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[16:20] brianc: senorpedro: but saying "I want to call console.log but I don't want to monkey patch it and I don't want it to write to standard out and I want it to return a value" is kinda like saying "I want to eat an entire chocolate pie but I don't want to get full and I don't want to gain weight."  
[16:21] mmalecki: senorpedro: then do this getter stuff and return bufferstream
[16:21] TheJH: brianc, add "and I don't want it to be some artificial crap" 
[16:21] mmalecki: !npm info bufferstrea,
[16:21] jhbot: couldn't find that package
[16:21] mmalecki: !npm info bufferstream
[16:21] jhbot: bufferstream by dodo, version 0.4.7: painless stream buffering and cutting
[16:22] DPG: wd
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[16:22] hotch: tjholowaychuk: nice, kue seems pretty sick
[16:22] tjholowaychuk: hotch still has a bit to go
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[16:22] tjholowaychuk: it was a pretty quick hack
[16:23] hotch: still, nice though -
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[16:24] DPG: why my socket.io client disconnects after 40seconds? and reconnect 6 seconds later?!?
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[16:24] DPG: [18:22:56] [Info] User joined Server [18:22:56] parseMessage(hi); [18:23:20] User left Server [18:23:36] [Info] User joined Server
[16:24] DPG: any ideas why it could be?
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[16:27] DPG: no ideas?
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[16:29] pvgrif: msg NickServ identify hunter12
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[16:29] pvgrif: the stream function pipe is blocking, is there an asynchronous alternative?
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[16:32] TheJH: pvgrif, is "hunter12" your nickserv password?
[16:32] hotch: lol
[16:32] pvgrif: no i was just kidding
[16:32] TheJH: 
[16:33] pvgrif: i almost made that mistake
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[16:33] pvgrif: and then i made it on purpose but changed the password
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[16:33] DPG: TheJH can you help me again?
[16:34] hotch: tjholowaychuk: i've never used redis, do i need to setup red is somewhere else? Error: Redis connection to 127.0.0.1:6379 failed - ECONNREFUSED, Connection refused
[16:34] TheJH: pvgrif, ah, now I remember, it can't be your password - after all, all IRC clients replace it with stars when you write it. It's fun
[16:34] tjholowaychuk: hotch yea you need redis
[16:34] tjholowaychuk: it's easy to install from source
[16:34] DPG: the socket.io connection auto disconnect after 15-35 seconds...
[16:34] pvgrif: really?
[16:34] tjholowaychuk: takes like 5 seconds to build
[16:34] TheJH: e.g. my password is 01************************
[16:34] pvgrif: ********
[16:34] pvgrif: oh look its true
[16:34] TheJH: pvgrif, see, it works 
[16:34] pvgrif: magic
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[16:35] TheJH: DPG, I don't really know much about it
[16:35] DPG: :/ nobody else seems to know anything about it 
[16:35] brianc: hotch: redis is the easiest piece of software I've compiled on linux
[16:35] hotch: yeah I'm sure its not a problem hah
[16:36] brianc: hotch: it has no dependencies, builds quickly, and builds into a single binary you can copy anywhere you want
[16:36] hotch: yeah i had just thought that it was a basic key/value storage system bundled in packages
[16:36] brianc: hotch: it's also completely amazing
[16:36] hotch: mongodb/mongoose is pretty amazing :P
[16:37] TheJH: DPG, talk to `3rdEden as soon as he comes online 
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[16:37] DPG: why him?
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[16:38] jamescarr: DPG, he works on socke.tio
[16:38] jamescarr: yeah, socke.tio, not socket.io :-p
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[16:39] DPG: when he usually is online?
[16:39] brianc: ah yes, socke.tio, the popular fork of socket.io which randomly drops connections for 6 seconds at a time
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[16:40] TheJH: brianc, don't make it look like it's only bad! in fact, isn't that part of the cool stuff he built to make the server use less resources?
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[16:41] mmalecki: link?
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[16:41] DPG: is there really a project called "socke.tio"??
[16:41] topaxi: lol
[16:41] brianc: no, sorry. we're playfully trolling
[16:41] brianc: no harm intended
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[16:42] TheJH: yup, just joking
[16:42] DPG: ahh okey. i wasn't sure
[16:42] DPG: weather it was a joke or not
[16:42] DPG: some projects are crazy enught to believe that^
[16:42] DPG: *enought
[16:43] TheJH: DPG, like couchdb?
[16:43] DPG: idk
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[16:43] TheJH: DPG, its on-disk-storage format is cool and crazy at the same time
[16:44] DPG: why it's cool?
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[16:44] TheJH: DPG, because it's a database where pulling the plug is a valid way to shut it down
[16:45] DPG: pulling the plug?
[16:45] TheJH: DPG, when it starts up again, you might have some unneeded rubbish in the DB file, but that's it. no autorepair or anything needed.
[16:45] TheJH: DPG, pulling the plug of the computer
[16:45] DPG: ohh
[16:45] TheJH: 
ACTION is not kidding this time

[16:46] DPG: what would happen if you do this with mysql?
[16:46] DPG: or another popular db
[16:46] TheJH: DPG, not sure. I guess it'd do some self-repair or journal rollback and work again, too. but I'm not really a DB guy
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[16:47] DPG: ah okey
[16:47] mmalecki: mongo would fail to boot up unless started with --repairdb or something like that
[16:47] DPG: thejh do you use couchdb or mongodb?
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[16:47] TheJH: DPG, couch
[16:47] DPG: why do you use it?
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[16:48] TheJH: DPG, I installed my system as 32bit, so mongo crashes as soon as I put a few GB of data in it
[16:48] DPG: and couch won't crash?
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[16:49] TheJH: DPG, no - it's because of the way mongo accesses the stuff on the disk
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[16:50] DPG: if i would programm something with much clients, but below 1mb data for each client.... which db should i use?
[16:50] TheJH: DPG, mongo puts the db file in virtual ram or so (so it effectively still uses the harddisk and not the RAM), but the 32-bit RAM restriction applies on all the memory mongo can see, not just the real stuff
[16:50] TheJH: DPG, depends on how your data looks
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[16:51] DPG: data would be an array of informations for a specific user
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[16:52] DPG: hi `3rdEden
[16:53] `3rdEden: elo
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[16:53] DPG: can you help me with a socket.io problem?
[16:53] `3rdEden: probably
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[16:53] DPG: my client disconnects after 15-35 seconds
[16:53] DPG: but i dont know why
[16:53] `3rdEden: on windows
[16:53] DPG: no
[16:53] DPG: ubuntu firefox
[16:53] DPG: and socket.io server in node.js
[16:53] `3rdEden: do you have flashsocket enabled?
[16:54] DPG: i think no
[16:54] `3rdEden: can you check :)?
[16:54] DPG: i havent set which protocols it should use
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[16:54] `3rdEden: ok
[16:54] `3rdEden: are you using the latest version? 0.8.5?
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[16:55] DPG: i installed it yesterday via npm install socket.io
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[16:55] DPG: should be the actual version
[16:55] `3rdEden: so that's a yes
[16:55] zmbmartin: If I npm install module -g so it is global. then in a test.js file how do i require that. if I do var module = require('module') it is not found.
[16:55] japj: `3rdEden: what is the github page where you open-sourced one of the libraries you created for observer? I can't seem to find it
[16:56] isaacs: zmbmartin: don't install it globally.  install it locally.  or, do `npm link module`
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[16:56] isaacs: zmbmartin: read through `npm faq`
[16:56] `3rdEden: japj https://github.com/observing
[16:56] japj: damn that's why github search couldnt find it
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[16:56] `3rdEden: :p sorry
[16:56] isaacs: zmbmartin: http://npmjs.org/doc/faq.html#How-do-I-install-something-everywhere
[16:56] DPG: `3rdEden should i give you a url to my server.js code and index.html code?
[16:56] japj: I searched for observer ;)
[16:56] mmalecki: japj: this windows shit with vows is caused by node.
[16:56] `3rdEden: DPG is it only happening on linux?
[16:57] japj: mmalecki: good, did you file a bugreport? :)
[16:57] mmalecki: japj: https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1899
[16:57] DPG: i cant test it because i only have one laptop
[16:57] `3rdEden: DPG if it only was that easy :p
[16:57] mmalecki: japj: I wanted to do it today, but this guy did.
[16:57] ryanrolds_w: This will be fun: node: src/uv-common.c:92: uv_err_name: Assertion `0' failed.
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[16:57] DPG: i dont understand
[16:57] `3rdEden: DPG but sure, you can gist it and I can check if i see anything odd
[16:57] japj: mmalecki: I guess that is a showstopper bug for node 0.5.10 then
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[16:57] `3rdEden: DPG i have also deployed socket.io in production (latest version) and I don't see these issues
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[16:58] `3rdEden: so they must be very specific to your current setup
[16:58] mmalecki: yeah.
[16:58] TheJH: ryanrolds, there's an open issue about that on libuv
[16:58] DPG: or i failed in my socket.io code
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[16:58] DPG: =)
[16:58] `3rdEden: Possible, but unlikely
[16:58] ryanrolds_w: TheJH: Thanks. I hadn't check there yet.
[16:59] TheJH: ryanrolds, I have the same problem 
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[16:59] DPG: how can i wisper to 3rd eden?
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[17:00] jaxl: Is there a way to abort a socket connection after a timeout.. I can do the timeout, but it seems like the FD for the socket is remaining open.  So my connection pool can will run afoul of ulimit -n
[17:00] jaxl: I've tried .end .destroy...
[17:00] japj: mmalecki: so vows will spawn a new process for each testfile when you do 'vows test/*.js'?
[17:00] `3rdEden: DPG /msg `3rdEden
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[17:01] Aikar: /quote PRIVMSG `3rdEden :Hi!
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[17:01] mmalecki: japj: no. vows spawns new processes with --isolate
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[17:01] TheJH: Aikar, 
[17:01] mmalecki: new processes are spawned with --supress-stdout, which fails hard on this fucking shit.
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[17:02] TheJH: Aikar, now you just have to tell him that he needs to use netcat as IRC client...
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[17:03] Aikar: TheJH: lol
[17:03] Aikar: ive used telnet as an irc client before :/
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[17:03] pvgrif: do i have to do something special to be able to load a page using node from a different computer that is within the same network, behind the same router?
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[17:04] Aikar: pvgrif: no, that depends on your network
[17:04] ryanrolds_w: TheJH: What the situation? I'm hitting with some new changes to Connect.staticCache when running ab -k -n 10000 -c 2000 against it
[17:04] Aikar: pvgrif: or did you bind it to localhost only?
[17:04] ryanrolds_w: *Whats
[17:04] TheJH: pvgrif, find out the IP of PC 1 and enter it on PC 2
[17:04] pvgrif: i did that
[17:04] japj: mmalecki: it might help if you add any additional info you have to the github issue and maybe include @piscisaureus
[17:04] TheJH: ryanrolds, I can't reproduce it constantly, but happens from time to time with my ad-blocking proxy written in node when I use 0.5.x
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[17:05] pvgrif: server is on 192.168.1.2:8124 and the client has 192.168.1.3
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[17:05] japj: mmalecki: unfortunately I'm about to go to choir practice, so I can not do anything more to help now ;(
[17:05] mmalecki: japj: this guy provided everything they need, I suppose.
[17:05] mmalecki: japj: plus, I'm a windows noob.
[17:05] jaxl: Is there a way to abort a socket.connect request?
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[17:05] japj: mmalecki: doesn't matter, piscisaureus is a pro ;)
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[17:06] mmalecki: I even don't recall why am I taking care about windows shit...
[17:06] ryanrolds_w_: TheJH: I'm hitting is consistently.
[17:06] ryanrolds_w_: *it
[17:06] mmalecki: fuck, I can't drink when being on IRC. bad things happen.
[17:07] AvianFlu: lol
[17:07] Aikar: arnt you like 16? :P
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[17:08] japj: he can drink milk... lot's of it
[17:08] Aikar: mmalecki: ^
[17:08] TheJH: mmalecki, ^
[17:08] Aikar: or he could live in a non prude country (america)
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[17:08] mmalecki: Aikar: 17
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[17:08] mmalecki: nobody asks about id anyway
[17:08] TheJH: actually, I prefer cacao over milk
[17:08] Aikar: so i take it non prude country?
[17:09] Aikar: cause im almost 26 and i sure as hell get carded buying booze lol
[17:09] mmalecki: Aikar: Poland, nobody really gives a fuck here
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[17:11] TheJH: mmalecki, you shouldn't drink anyway. do you want to ruin all of your code and repos?
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[17:12] jocafa: http://xkcd.com/323/  ← you *should* drink, scientifically.
[17:12] TheJH: mmalecki, it'll be full of either ballmer-peak code that works but nobody understands or stuff like your `24*24*24...`
[17:12] mmalecki: TheJH: you mean: 'git reset --hard <first-commit-sha>' should be fun?
[17:12] micheil: Aikar: it's all in having a beard you see?
[17:12] TheJH: jocafa, only if you're sure you can stop at the ballmer peak
[17:13] Aikar: micheil: Ive been carded even after not shaving for a few days. beards are too annoying
[17:13] micheil: haha
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[17:13] micheil: 
ACTION never gets carded now.

[17:14] TheJH: Aikar, unles you have a true unix beard, I guess 
[17:14] Aikar: lol
[17:14] Aikar: yeah ive never grown out a "beard"
[17:14] Aikar: it gets too itchy and annoying before i could ever let it grow out :P
[17:14] Aikar: my face just isnt meant for a beard :P
[17:15] mmalecki: well, in Poland you can easily buy vodka and tickets for < 18 yo at once.
[17:15] mmalecki: I mean, people don't give a shit here.
[17:15] TheJH: AvianFlu, {"type": "message", "class": "annoy", "content":"btw, when will you get kohai here?"}
[17:15] Aikar: i wanna move over there so bad :P
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[17:16] micheil: Aikar: where are you currently based?
[17:16] Aikar: US :(
[17:16] micheil: that's not tooo bad
[17:16] Aikar: land of prudes and capitalism = bad
[17:16] micheil: but then again, in the US it's law to card everyone, no matter what age they are
[17:17] micheil: because it's not only the distributor, but also the person that let the offender through the door
[17:17] Aikar: nah its not, its general rule "card if looks under 40"
[17:17] micheil: (that's for pubs)
[17:17] Aikar: or as some stores put it "39.5"
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[17:17] micheil: usually at a bar, they will card no matter what, as if there's an inspection, and someone doesn't have a card, then you can't prove how old they actually are
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[17:18] Aikar: some places check id at door and stamp you if underage, saves bartenders the trouble
[17:18] isaacs: in a lot of bars in the US, they card both for legal protection, as well as analytics.
[17:19] mmalecki: in our bars you can be underage, you just can't drink then.
[17:19] isaacs: ie, photograph the actual license, and then they can run metrics on where their customers live, m/f breakdown, etc.
[17:19] isaacs: it's very strict in most cities in the US, and you can get hit with a huge fine for serving someone < 21
[17:20] Aikar: though funny enough we had a social event at work where they all took us out to a pub and bought us 2 beers each, and they didnt check any ID lol
[17:20] Aikar: I guess they took the word of our employer that everyone was 21+?
[17:20] isaacs: Aikar: yeah, that's pretty common.
[17:21] jamescarr: isaacs, Aikar here's the way I see it....
[17:21] jamescarr: if you can code, you can drink :)
[17:22] jamescarr: butyeah, its common
[17:22] Aikar: jamescarr: thats not safe to say. ive heard about like 10 year olds coding some cool shit
[17:22] sechrist: no what really sucks is not being able to go to a tech party because it's hosted at a bar
[17:22] sechrist: even if you don't intend to drink
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[17:23] Aikar: 16+ should be fine to enter a bar w/ a stamp that indicates no drinking (note i said SHOULD :P)
[17:23] ryanrolds_w_: sechrist: Fake id. ;)
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[17:23] sechrist: ryanrolds_w_: that's about the only thing that works
[17:24] sechrist: I can't go to a lot of free music shows because they don't let <21 in, when normally they would if they charged for the tickets
[17:24] ryanrolds_w_: sechrist: There are places that are under 21 until a specific time, try to get people in your area to use thos.
[17:24] sechrist: it's so they can recoup from charging for alcohol
[17:25] sechrist: well sure
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[17:25] sechrist: but I mean it's typically like an afterparty for example
[17:25] sechrist: I've been VIP and bouncers have kicked me out
[17:25] sechrist: it's ridiculous
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[17:26] Aikar: ohshi VIP, bawler bawler in here huh :P
[17:26] ryanrolds_w_: Haha
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[17:26] sechrist: not really, but those kind of events typically have an open bar and the bar isn't checking ids
[17:26] japj: sechrist: as long as your not the one making the music and getting kicked out ;)
[17:27] sechrist: so the bouncers inside scout for young looking people
[17:27] japj: "don't kick me out, I'm with the band"
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[17:28] Brenna1: i need to "consult" with a node.js programmer today. anyone interested? 
[17:29] Aikar: your not in the right place
[17:29] Aikar: this is ruby.js!
[17:29] Brenna1: fuck. 
[17:29] Brenna1: thanks
[17:29] japj: and we're not programmers, this is a barchannel
[17:30] Aikar: yeah, were boozing up
[17:30] Aikar: passing the ballmer peak sadly
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[17:30] Brenna1: i think the guys in my office think it's funny that i'm the boss and i don't know anything about IT
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[17:30] Aikar: ok since you might of actually believed what i said, that was sarcasm :P
[17:31] Brenna1: @aikar, thanks. 
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[17:32] Aikar: Brenna1: so whats the question
[17:34] Brenna1: well, as you can see I'm not a programmer, but my node.js guy needs some help. He wants to make his link shortener faster. 
[17:34] Aikar: Brenna1: so why is your programmer not in here asking for help? lol
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[17:34] Brenna1: can someone take my money and bounce ideas off my node guy? 
[17:35] Aikar: having non technical people speak for you for technical questions is the most painful part of working with "vendors"
[17:35] Brenna1: I'm sure it is. 
[17:35] Aikar: so tell him t oget in here :P
[17:35] TheJH: Brenna1, and authorize him to show us his code so that we can help 
[17:35] Brenna1: no
[17:36] Aikar: minus corp secrets* lol
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[17:36] Aikar: Brenna1: no to showing code or no to him coming in here?
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[17:37] Aikar: ohshi page closed
[17:37] epsas_: i offered to help
[17:37] ryanrolds_w_: Haha
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[17:41] eddyb: I've got an weird problem
[17:41] eddyb: I'm using https://github.com/ssuda/node-zlib-sync
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[17:41] EyePulp: that *is* weird
[17:41] eddyb: however, the result of deflatecompress can't be inflated by Java
[17:42] eddyb: it gives an exception "Bad compressed data format"
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[17:42] eddyb: deflatecompress is supposed to do just that, deflate
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[17:43] eddyb: the only module I've managed to do this right with is "zlib", which I can't use because of the builtin "zlib" module
[17:44] eddyb: and whoever wrote the builtin zlib module didn't think of sync functions
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[17:44] TheJH: eddyb, not "didn't think of", it was a design choice
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[17:44] eddyb: I mean, async is nice and all, but I can't make an entire packing/unpacking operation async, that's ridiculous
[17:44] eddyb: TheJH: a bad one
[17:45] TheJH: eddyb, also, if you really want an external zlib module, require('./node_modules/zlib')
[17:45] TheJH: eddyb, not necessarily
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[17:45] Brenna1: any thoughts: How do I asynchronously process a million csv files? (applying several functions to elements in a row)
[17:45] zmbmartin: I am trying to use node-csv-parser to read a csv file and I want to save to a mongoose mongodb --> this is giving me an object is not a function error --> https://gist.github.com/1293232
[17:45] eddyb: TheJH: that fucks up the internals of the said module
[17:45] TheJH: eddyb, 
[17:45] TheJH: eddyb, maybe require('zlib/.')?
[17:46] eddyb: trying that no
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[17:46] TheJH: Brenna1, what do you want to do with the results? print much data? generate statistics?
[17:46] eddyb: *now
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[17:46] Brenna1: generate stats
[17:47] shanebo: anyone know how to get header Content-Length from a readFile encoding UTF-8?
[17:47] TheJH: Brenna1, there are some libraries on npm for reading cvs streams that give you data events for each line, I think
[17:47] eddyb: TheJH: zlib/. works for loading the module
[17:47] Brenna1: Can I create a million objects? what csv parser and asynchronous library are best? 
[17:47] isaacs: shanebo: buffer.length?
[17:47] isaacs: shanebo: oh, utf8
[17:47] TheJH: shanebo, errrm, whut? You mean, you want to know how long the file is?
[17:47] eddyb: hmm, did something change in 0.5?
[17:47] isaacs: shanebo: Buffer.byteLength(str)
[17:48] isaacs: shanebo: or better yet, just stat the file first, and check the stat.size
[17:48] eddyb: because the module can't do require('./zlib-bindings'); to load build/Release/zlib-bindings.node
[17:48] TheJH: Brenna1, as you're just making stats, the objects that are generated can get gc'ed immediately, right?
[17:49] Brenna1: correct
[17:49] TheJH: Brenna1, then that should be no problem
[17:49] TheJH: !npm search cvs
[17:49] jhbot: no results
[17:49] TheJH: !npm search csv
[17:49] jhbot: packages (short format): watchersto, csv2mongo, csvutils, csv, ya-csv, node-csv, csvjs
[17:49] TheJH: Brenna1, hmm... I have to admit that I don't know any of them
[17:49] eddyb: that looks like package mania
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[17:50] Brenna1: this shouldn't be taking 14 days to create a million csv files. I need to do it much faster. 
[17:50] TheJH: Brenna1, wait. do you want to read or to write?
[17:50] isaacs: vote up please: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3121553
[17:51] TheJH: isaacs, done 
[17:51] eddyb: TheJH: what's �� ?
[17:52] Brenna1: sorry. If you want to consult i can pay @brennaleeroth
[17:52] TheJH: eddyb, it's a smiley and your client uses the wrong encoding, I guess
[17:52] shanebo: isaacs, thanks, will Buffer.byteLength(str) work?
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[17:53] isaacs: shanebo: if you have a string, yes.
[17:53] isaacs: shanebo: but you'll be inefficient to do it that way
[17:53] shanebo: isaacs so stats is quicker?
[17:53] isaacs: shanebo: better to not specify utf8, and then get the buffer.  capture the lenght, and then do buffer.toString("utf8") if you really need the string
[17:53] isaacs: shanebo: if possible, never convert to a string.
[17:53] eddyb: TheJH: nope, yours
[17:54] eddyb: mine is utf-8
[17:54] TheJH: eddyb, hmm...
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[17:55] shanebo: isaacs, what I'm doing is caching public files and if they're certain mime types, minifying them… hence the UTF-8. I presume that's more efficient than doing a byte to string conversion at request right?
[17:56] TheJH: eddyb, I'm usinbg utf8, too
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[17:56] TheJH: eddyb, maybe those smileys are newish utf8 features?
[17:56] shanebo: isaacs, so html/css/js I use UTF-8, and for images, I use binary
[17:56] isaacs: shanebo: when you say "binary", you mean you just pass along the buffer?
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[17:57] isaacs: shanebo: but yes, you're doing a byte-to-string conversion every time, so if you can convert to a bufer post-minification, adn then response.end(buff), you'll get the accurate length for free off the buffer, and save doing it each time.
[17:57] shanebo: isaacs, yes I use readFile(path, callback) without encoding specified
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[17:58] AvianFlu: TheJH, I'm testing the "turn off tweets for specific channels" feature.  If I don't have to fix it, I'll bring in kohai.
[17:58] shanebo: isaacs, I'm also saving the buffer of an image to an object literal… is that bad? O_o
[17:58] isaacs: shanebo: that's fine
[17:58] isaacs: shanebo: it's your ram ;)
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[17:59] TheJH: AvianFlu, 
[17:59] shanebo: isaacs so I guess it leaves me with wondering whether I even need to set the Content-Length header?
[17:59] isaacs: shanebo: it's better to, yes
[18:00] isaacs: response.writeHead(200, { "content-length": buff.length, "content-type": " blah blah blah ", ... });  response.end(buff)
[18:00] isaacs: that's the ideal way to do it.
[18:00] isaacs: one big chunk
[18:00] isaacs: i mean, if you have it anyway
[18:00] isaacs: if it's a giant file, and you want to stream it out, you can do fs.createReadStream(file).pipe(response)
[18:00] AvianFlu: TheJH, whatever char that was didn't show up for me
[18:01] TheJH: AvianFlu, it was a smiley
[18:01] shanebo: isaacs, yeah that's how I'm handling images… but html/css/js, I'm saving the minified string in the object literal… in that case, how do I get content length?
[18:01] eddyb: ok, so, weird enough, relative require inside another module doesn't work
[18:01] eddyb: why?
[18:01] cjm: NodeUp 5 is out, http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3121553
[18:01] shanebo: isaacs, and efficiently :D
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[18:02] eddyb: did anything about module loading change in 0.5?
[18:02] isaacs: shanebo: fs.readFile(cssfile, "utf8", function (er, f) { if (er) { handle it }  minify(f, function (er, min) { if (er) { handle it } var buf = new Buffer(min); cache buf object; response.writeHead(200, { content-length: buf.length, ... }); response.end(buf)
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[18:02] isaacs: }) }) })
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[18:02] TheJH: AvianFlu, utf8, from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoticons#Unicode , the U+1F603: SMILING FACE WITH OPEN MOUTH
[18:03] isaacs: TheJH, AvianFlu, eddyb: not all fonts have glyphs for all unicode codepoints
[18:03] isaacs: they couldn't possibly, as the set is theoretically infinite.
[18:03] TheJH: isaacs, meh, guess I'll turn those smileys off 
[18:03] AvianFlu: yeah, my machine displays arabic and farsi, but not those things
[18:04] AvianFlu: debian ....ftw?
[18:04] isaacs: TheJH: i get a mochibake [] in colloquy, but my growl font displays them properly
[18:04] eddyb: TheJH: are you on windows?
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[18:04] TheJH: eddyb, errm, no :D
[18:04] eddyb: then, what font are you using?
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[18:05] shanebo: isaacs, okay, so you're saying minify the string buffer, then convert back to binary (I'm assuming that's what new Buffer is, and save that to the object literal?
[18:06] isaacs: yes.
[18:06] shanebo: isaacs, btw, all this caching happens when the server starts, and on file change I recache
[18:06] isaacs: oh, kewl
[18:06] TheJH: eddyb, monospace
[18:06] eddyb: that's the font's name?
[18:06] TheJH: BWAHAHA
[18:06] TheJH: <kohai> @BrennaLeeRoth @NodeKohai those guys were mean to me because I didn't know exactly what i needed. I figured it out though, I think. Thanks! :-)
[18:06] TheJH: eddyb, yes, that's the fonts name
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[18:06] shanebo: isaacs, and I've got a little path to object method to find the right assets based on path
[18:07] TheJH: seems like the person who tweeted that was <Brenna1> :D
[18:07] shanebo: isaacs, last question (I think), is storing binary or a string more expensive on memory?
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[18:08] eddyb: string, mostly because v8 likes to keep it UTF-16
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[18:08] isaacs: shanebo: buffer is cheaper.
[18:08] eddyb: yeah, what he said
[18:08] isaacs: shanebo: roughly same number of bytes, but mostly outside of v8 heap
[18:08] shanebo: isaacs, awesome, thanks a million for the help
[18:08] isaacs: shanebo: np
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[18:21] gigawatt: anyone here good at Socket.IO ?
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[18:22] DPG: giga yes
[18:22] eddyb: isaacs: any chance you can help me with this?
[18:22] gigawatt: When the client initiates a connection to the server, is there anyway i can send information in the same packet
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[18:22] gigawatt: so without having to send other data
[18:22] eddyb: what are the base rules when requiring something?
[18:23] `3rdEden: gigawatt no you can't
[18:23] eddyb: require('PACKAGENAME/.') works to ignore builtin packages
[18:23] gigawatt: so i can't use like the headers for the connection and use the authorization event on the server ?
[18:23] eddyb: but then, things like module.exports = require('./build/Release/zlib-bindings'); don't work in the target package
[18:23] isaacs: eddyb: they should
[18:24] eddyb: yeah, well, beats me
[18:24] isaacs: eddyb: why wouldn't relative paths work inside the package?
[18:24] isaacs: eddyb: can you provide an example?
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[18:24] eddyb: exactly the above
[18:24] TheJH: eddyb, what happens with require("zlib/")?
[18:24] `3rdEden: gigawatt all regular HTTP headers are already send
[18:24] eddyb: TheJH: loads the package zlib not the builtin module
[18:24] TheJH: eddyb, maybe it merges the two dots to ".."... although that'd be weird
[18:24] gigawatt: so i can't do any pre modifications to those headers ?
[18:24] `3rdEden: But when you connect you can also send a query string gigawatt
[18:24] `3rdEden: no
[18:24] gigawatt: yea]
[18:25] eddyb: fuck
[18:25] gigawatt: and i can access that in the connection event right ?
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[18:25] eddyb: I must be so clumsy
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[18:25] TheJH: eddyb, yes, I know, but does "zlib/" have the same issue as "zlib/."?
[18:25] `3rdEden: gigawatt yes and during the authorization process
[18:25] jesusabdullah: packagename/. ? What's that? o___o
[18:25] eddyb: it should be _ not -
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[18:25] `3rdEden: gigawatt see https://github.com/LearnBoost/socket.io/wiki/Authorizing
[18:25] gigawatt: how do i add the query string ?
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[18:25] gigawatt: ok sec
[18:25] gigawatt: thanks for your help by the way.
[18:25] TheJH: jesusabdullah, workaround to ignore builtins
[18:25] `3rdEden: gigawatt io.connect('http://example.com?pew=pewpew')
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[18:26] eddyb: finally, darn thing
[18:26] eddyb: thanks guys :)
[18:26] `3rdEden: gigawatt hmz I see that I forgot to add info about query strings on that page, but it gives you a nice overview :)
[18:26] isaacs: eddyb: works for me: https://gist.github.com/1293366
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[18:27] eddyb: works now
[18:27] isaacs: eddyb: this works, too:
[18:27] isaacs: > require("fs/")
[18:27] isaacs: { foo: 'foo' }
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[18:27] eddyb: isaacs: did this use to work: https://github.com/kkaefer/node-zlib/blob/master/lib/zlib.js
[18:27] eddyb: ?
[18:27] eddyb: where zlib_bindings.node isn't in the package root, but in build/Release
[18:27] isaacs: eddyb: no, that has never ever been supported.
[18:27] gigawatt: `3rdEden, yea i see, so how can i add query strings client side ?
[18:28] isaacs: eddyb: maybe there's a symbolic link there or something
[18:28] isaacs: ?
[18:28] eddyb: nope, no link
[18:28] isaacs: then no
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[18:32] `3rdEden: gigawatt io.connect('http://example.com?pew=pewpew')
[18:32] `3rdEden: just append them to the url you are connecting to
[18:32] gigawatt: ahhh
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[18:37] shanebo: isaacs, where in the chain should one gzip? Should I gzip the buffer into the object?
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[18:42] Aikar: :( my datacenter has maint tonight and physically moving my box
[18:42] Aikar: my uptime my uptime ; ;
[18:42] Aikar: uptime: 169d 13h 9m 9s
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[18:47] alex____: lol ouchh
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[18:51] TheJH: Aikar, u no update kernel? :D
[18:51] TheJH: Aikar, now you have an opportunity to update evrything :P
[18:51] Aikar: TheJH: I do, but the reboot portion of the update I always procastinate :(
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[18:53] rootslab: released dropper 0.2 - https://github.com/rootslab/dropper - a filter stream that produces fixed size data packets  
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[18:53] mmalecki: Aikar: uname -r ?
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[18:54] Aikar: 2.6.32-30-server
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[18:55] mmalecki: aw.
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[18:55] Aikar: was hoping to pwn my box? :P
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[18:58] lz: hey guys
[18:58] lz: question
[18:59] lz: how do you know which function called a file io operation?
[18:59] jackyyll: is try/catch supposed to terminate program execution? 
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[19:01] TheJH: hey lz, question: what do you need that for?
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[19:02] lz: TheJH, debugging. if I had two functions, A and B that both try to read a random file and one of the file operations fails, how do I know whether it was A or B?
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[19:02] ryanrolds_w_: Aikar:  13:41:26 up 321 days, 21:16,  1 user,  load average: 0.04, 0.04, 0.00
[19:03] lz: the call stack dead ends at eventemitter
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[19:03] TheJH: lz, for debugging, you can try my thejh-eventsource mod :)
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[19:04] TheJH: lz, https://github.com/thejh/node/tree/thejh-eventsource
[19:05] TheJH: lz, but it's really not intended for serious use, it's horribly slow
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[19:05] lz: TheJH cool, so node doesn't normally track the event source
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[19:06] TheJH: lz, that stack trace stuff is generally hard to do in combination with async things
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[19:11] lz: TheJH so basically … don't do too much file io in node? :)
[19:12] lz: or you might end up in debugger hell
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[19:17] alessioalex: aheckmann is wrong, it's not 2012 yet
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[19:33] DPG: is require("./js.js") on the server equal to <script src="./js.js"></script> on the client?
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[19:36] TheJH: DPG, no, not really
[19:37] TheJH: DPG, there are some important differences
[19:37] DPG: how can i "include" another js file to make my code cleaner?
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[19:37] TheJH: DPG, why do you want to include stuff?
[19:37] DPG: like <script> tags in client
[19:37] xerox: DPG: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.12/api/modules.html
[19:37] xerox: p easy
[19:37] DPG: because i want to write much code and i want to split it in sub files
[19:38] DPG: which should be loaded by the main programm
[19:38] DPG: and exec
[19:38] xerox: read!
[19:38] TheJH: DPG, you can use require for that
[19:38] TheJH: xerox++
[19:38] v8bot_:  TheJH has given a beer to xerox. xerox now has 1 beers.
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[19:38] xerox: 
ACTION flushes down the beer

[19:39] TheJH: man, I really want kohai to be here
[19:39] TheJH: so that there's other stuff than beer
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[19:40] xerox: it's a metaphorical beer anyway
[19:40] kert: a3li is shit
[19:41] AvianFlu: TheJH I gotta fix the tweet control thing and I won't have time until later
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[19:41] TheJH: xerox, but still, when you ++ me in #nodejitsu, it says "TheJH now has 2 (can of cacao)s" or so :)
[19:42] xerox: lol
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[19:42] DPG: TheJH++
[19:42] v8bot_:  DPG has given a beer to TheJH. TheJH now has 5 beers.
[19:43] DPG: lol
[19:43] DPG: TheJH--
[19:43] v8bot_:  TheJH is getting too many beers.  Don't let TheJH get drunk!
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[19:43] DPG: :D
[19:44] DPG: v8bot_++
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[19:48] markdaws: Hi - I have a setup where nginx is proxy requests to node, seems to work beautifully most of the time but I keep seeing seeminlgy "random" upstream timeout errors from nginx trying to read upstream from node.  Any gotchas using nginx with node for proxying,  seems like most of the failing requests are http 1.0, but not sure if that is a red herring.
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[19:51] Nietecht: Is there a way to redefine a route in express? Or just overwrite the handlers on existing ones?
[19:52] tjholowaychuk: Nietecht the precedence of routes is defined by the order
[19:52] tjholowaychuk: so unless you can define a route before the other
[19:52] tjholowaychuk: not easily
[19:52] tjholowaychuk: you can with the app.{lookup,match}.VERB() method and manipulate those but yeah
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[19:54] Nietecht: So if I wanted, I could fiddle with that lookup thing, but I'm guessing it's not really recommended?
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[19:55] Nietecht: Was just thinking of ways I could easily "reload" a route definition file, without having to restart the server
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[19:55] tjholowaychuk: Nietecht it's fine, and it will work there's just no nice public api for swapping out routes
[19:55] tjholowaychuk: oh
[19:55] tjholowaychuk: dont do that
[19:55] tjholowaychuk: that's lame
[19:55] Nietecht: Lame or bad?
[19:55] tjholowaychuk: restarting is inevitable, just roll with it
[19:55] tjholowaychuk: run something that lets you do graceful restarts
[19:56] Nietecht: Hm ye, that'd be ideal, somewhat harder though
[19:56] tjholowaychuk: not really
[19:57] tjholowaychuk: you WILL have to restart eventually
[19:57] tjholowaychuk: for many reasons
[19:57] tjholowaychuk: trying to hack in require() swapping, route swapping etc is just
[19:57] tjholowaychuk: hacky and lame
[19:57] tjholowaychuk: really not necessary
[19:58] Nietecht: True, guess I'm just trying to put it off
[19:59] tjholowaychuk: most apps boot in less than a second
[19:59] tjholowaychuk: so it doesnt really matter
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[20:00] Nietecht: any easy way to preserve sessions?
[20:00] tjholowaychuk: use a persistent store
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[20:01] Nietecht: I've seen the redis store in the documentation, would that take care of that?
[20:01] tjholowaychuk: yeah
[20:01] tjholowaychuk: relying on memory == bad
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[20:02] Nietecht: great, thanks for the tips
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[20:03] okCPU: can require() ref a directory instead of a file?
[20:03] Aikar: feedback needed! ryah piscisaureus isaacs     https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/nodejs-dev/LEHPHsjKpUI
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[20:04] mmalecki: Aikar++
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[20:05] zmbmartin: when doing .on('data' can I throw a pause in there.
[20:05] Aikar: odd, my photo disappeared off my google account O.o had to readd it
[20:06] okCPU: tjholowaychuk, sorry to bother... but can you ref a dir full of modules with require()? or is it best just to load one at a time?
[20:06] tjholowaychuk: okCPU one at a time
[20:06] tjholowaychuk: or
[20:06] tjholowaychuk: ./mydir/index.js can export stuff from the others
[20:06] tjholowaychuk: if you want
[20:07] okCPU: ah ha! thats what i want... index.js... perfect.. thanks!
[20:07] drudge: 
ACTION stabs everything

[20:09] DPGame: how can i realise a callback like: EPLOADER.loadJavascript("http://localhost:8080/socket.io/socket.io.js",function(){ 	alert("loaded"); });
[20:09] DPGame: ?
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[20:09] DPGame: (this should be in the client code)
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[20:10] Aikar: DPGame: cross browser compat is the main headache
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[20:10] Aikar: but script = document.createElement("script")
[20:10] Aikar: then script.onload = function() { }
[20:10] DPGame: no
[20:10] Aikar: but it doesnt work in all browsers
[20:11] DPGame: my loadJavascript functiion works
[20:11] DPGame: but i want to get the callback when the loading is finished
[20:11] DPGame: oh
[20:11] Aikar: thats what i meant
[20:11] Aikar: the onload works on some browsers
[20:11] DPGame: it is what you said :>
[20:11] Aikar: I did this a long time before, dont remember
[20:11] DPGame: except ie?
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[20:12] Aikar: http://unixpapa.com/js/dyna.html
[20:12] DPGame: did this work in firefox, chrome and safari?
[20:12] Aikar: my bad, looks like it works fine even on IE
[20:12] Aikar: its CSS that has issues
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[20:13] Aikar: i remember writing some internal dashboard that had a loading progress indicator i was using that stuff for
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[20:14] DPGame: aikar your code should be able to detect when its loaded
[20:14] DPGame: but i need a function like load("this",function(){
[20:14] DPGame: callback = foo*bar;
[20:14] DPGame: }
[20:14] DPGame: );
[20:16] DPGame: if(typeof window[funcName] == 'function') window[funcName]();
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[20:17] DPGame: i try this code i found in the internet... should work?
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[20:19] DPGame: Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected end of input
[20:19] DPGame: ?!?
[20:19] DPGame: never seen this error
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[20:22] mmalecki: unclosed bracket.
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[20:24] jesusabdullah: Yeah, almost definitely an unclosed bracket. You might find a jshint useful.
[20:25] jocafa: so what are all the cool kids using to deploy node apps these days?
[20:25] jocafa: cap?
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[20:26] WarheadsSE: I suppose it depends where/what you're deploying to...
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[20:27] TheJH: jocafa, "jitsu deploy", but only because I'm using nodejitsu
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[20:28] mape: Error: connect EINVAL when running 0.5.9, should I just crawl back to stable?
[20:29] DPGame: but there is no unclosed bracket:
[20:29] DPGame: EPLOADER.loadJavascript("http://localhost:8080/socket.io/socket.io.js",function(){ 	alert("loaded"); });
[20:30] DPGame: fuck 
[20:30] DPGame: got it :D
[20:30] DPGame: it was a unclosed bracket
[20:30] DPGame: but not in my function ...
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[20:33] DPGame: yeah my callback works now =)
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[20:44] DPGame: `3rdEden can i disable auto reconnect in socket.io?
[20:44] `3rdEden: yes
[20:45] DPGame: how can i disable it?
[20:45] `3rdEden: And now you want know how huh
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[20:45] `3rdEden: :p
[20:45] DPGame: yes :D
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[20:45] `3rdEden: io.connect('url', { reconnect: false })
[20:46] `3rdEden: https://github.com/LearnBoost/Socket.IO/wiki/Configuring-Socket.IO <-- I also added all configurable client options here
[20:46] DPGame: if i use this .... is there some incompatibility for some clients?
[20:46] `3rdEden: nop
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[20:47] `3rdEden: it's reconnect, so it only happends if a you where connected and it droppec..
[20:47] DPGame: even http long polling?
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[20:47] `3rdEden: nop, http polling has poll timeouts
[20:47] DPGame: okey
[20:47] DPGame: thanks =)
[20:47] `3rdEden: it's not affected by reconnect
[20:48] DennisRasmussen: Creating a chat here. You've got several chat rooms and several users. How would your variables/objects store the info about both? Say you have a list of rooms and a list of users and in the rooms you have a reference to the users in that room, then you would have to store a reference to the room on the user as well in case you need that information from the user, however you would have to 
[20:48] DennisRasmussen: update both references when changing room. The other solution is to have the users as a sublist of the room list but then you would have to loop through all the rooms to find a user for his/her information. Any other way of doing this?
[20:49] DennisRasmussen: Wall of text crits you for 1000!
[20:49] Aikar: 
ACTION reflects the attack, DennisRasmussen takes 2000 points of damage! It is super effective!

[20:50] DennisRasmussen: I just can't figure out which one is the easiest to work with. Users within rooms or a list of both with references
[20:50] DPGame: i would make 2 arrays: rooms and users.... user[id] -> all data about user... room[id] -> all data ... room[id][users] -> list of all userids of the rooms users
[20:51] DennisRasmussen: DPGame, so the reference method
[20:51] Aikar: DennisRasmussen: unless you had some new facebook killer, i dont think the size of your chat rooms will be large enough to care about memory, so it would be easy to have say var channel = { "name": "foo", users:[foo, bar, baz]}
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[20:51] Aikar: then foo = { "name": "Aikar", channels: [chan_foo]} etc, have them link back to each other 
[20:51] DPGame: Dennis so what's the problem? ;D
[20:51] DennisRasmussen: I'm not concerned about memory or processing, but which is easier
[20:51] Aikar: and very easily references the objects from what ever angle you need
[20:52] Aikar: store an object of channels (not an array, so you can lookup channels by key (name))
[20:52] Aikar: then store an object of user
[20:52] Aikar: then each user has an array of channels hes in, which has a reference to each object
[20:52] mape: Is there a known issue running v0.5.9 on debian?
[20:52] Aikar: and each channel object has an array of users
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[20:53] Aikar: then if you want to find out whos on channel foo, its as simple as channels['foo'].users.forEach()
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[20:53] Aikar: and if you wanna know all channels of user bob, its users['bob'].channels.forEach()
[20:53] DennisRasmussen: If the user changes room, you'll have to update it two places though right?
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[20:53] Aikar: yes
[20:53] Aikar: but thats so trivial
[20:54] DennisRasmussen: Just making sure I got it
[20:54] DennisRasmussen: Thanks
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[20:55] Aikar: now if a user can only be in 1 room at a time, then you wouldnt need an array
[20:55] Aikar: for user[*].channels at least
[20:55] DennisRasmussen: nah that's just a property
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[20:56] Aikar: main reason you want to store from both angles is so if a new user joins a room, its a simple lookup to see whos all in the room, and if a user sends a message, its a simple path to know what channel to send to, where as if you dont store a copy of the channel on the user, youd have to scan all channels to know what channel your on
[20:57] DennisRasmussen: Yes I know
[20:57] Aikar: now you could opt to store a string of the channel name instead of an obj
[20:57] DPGame: TheJH?
[20:58] TheJH: DPGame, ?
[20:58] DPGame: require isn't the right function
[20:58] DPGame: require('./libs/BGPARSER.js');
[20:58] DPGame: in BGPARSER.js:
[20:58] DPGame: var BGPARSER = new Array();
[20:58] DPGame: but BGPARSER isn't defined
[20:59] DPGame: if i try to use the variable
[20:59] xerox: DPGame: read that page
[20:59] xerox: it's very short
[20:59] xerox: ...
[20:59] xerox: but read it all!
[20:59] TheJH: DPGame, what xerox said
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[21:02] jesusabdullah: why are there all of these all-caps names?
[21:02] albertosh: how do i know where is node installed on my machine? 
[21:02] jesusabdullah: ಠ_ಠ
[21:02] albertosh: and node_modules?
[21:03] jesusabdullah: albertosh: which node
[21:03] jesusabdullah: albertosh: the npm documentation says where the global node_modules
[21:03] albertosh: the one i installed doing ./configure make makeinstall
[21:03] jesusabdullah: albertosh: I think it's in /usr/local/lib
[21:03] jesusabdullah: No, no, it's a command
[21:03] albertosh: let me check
[21:03] jesusabdullah: [josh@pidgey docs (master)]$ which node
[21:03] jesusabdullah: /usr/local/bin/node
[21:03] mape: The new fs.watch, does that manage watching dirs?
[21:03] jesusabdullah: For example
[21:04] albertosh: if i install a module with -g it will install it there?
[21:05] albertosh: i couldn't install socketbug property
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[21:05] albertosh: cause all my modules are in different places :S
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[21:05] albertosh: so i wanted to see what i did wrong
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[21:07] isaacs: albertosh: npm help folders
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[21:07] isaacs: albertosh: all of your questions are answered in that document^
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[21:07] albertosh: ok!
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[21:11] DPGame: okey i read it all, my code is running now without crashing, but it wasn't the way i want to have it
[21:11] DPGame: but this is ok =)
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[21:14] zmbmartin: Not really node related but when you transfer a domain from one registrar to another does the dns info transfer as well?
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[21:17] russell_h: where is that page that documents API changes between 0.4.x and 0.6 ?
[21:18] Aikar: zmbmartin: I would think/hope so
[21:18] Aikar: zmbmartin: well, do you host dns with your registrar?
[21:18] Aikar: name servers would at least transfer
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[21:18] Aikar: if you use your current registrar as the host of your name servers, that will likely not transfer, as not every registrar offers dns hosting
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[21:23] DPGame: how can i let a required .js-file have access to variables out of the main .js file?
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[21:24] Aikar: DPGame: other files has to export them
[21:25] Aikar: or (not recommended in mass scale) register as global
[21:25] DPGame: i can do exports.variable in my main process?
[21:25] DPGame: nice =)
[21:25] Aikar: sure
[21:25] Aikar: just, the sub module that needs it will need to do a recursive require back to main
[21:25] Aikar: so...
[21:25] Aikar: if main.js has require('foo.js')
[21:26] Aikar: and foo.js needs data from main.js
[21:26] Aikar: it can do require('./main.js') BUT! only after the first tick
[21:26] Aikar: so youll need to do process.nextTick(function() { var main = require('./main'); });
[21:26] DPGame: isn't it a loop?
[21:26] Aikar: on the first tick, main hasnt finished loading yet so the vars arnt exported
[21:26] Aikar: no, modules are cached
[21:26] Aikar: so main will be in the cache, but not all exports will be filled in yet
[21:27] Aikar: for example: main.js:
[21:27] Aikar: exports.foo = 1;
[21:27] Aikar: require('./sub.js')
[21:27] Aikar: exports.bar = 1;
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[21:27] Aikar: if sub does require('./main')
[21:27] Aikar: the require will return .foo only
[21:27] Aikar: and not .bar
[21:27] Aikar: cause .bar isnt defined yet
[21:27] DPGame: ahh
[21:27] Aikar: but after .nextTick, .bar will also be defined
[21:28] DPGame: process.nextTick(function() { var main = require('./main'); });
[21:28] Aikar: yes
[21:28] DPGame: has to be in the sub.js?
[21:28] Aikar: yep
[21:28] DPGame: k
[21:28] Aikar: or, you could move this shared data to yet another file
[21:28] Aikar: and require() that file in both of them
[21:28] Aikar: which is a safer practice
[21:28] jocafa: nodejs, y u no have good protobuf implementation?  (屮゜Д゜)屮 
[21:29] Aikar: jocafa: angry japanese faces must always be followed by throwing tables!
[21:29] jocafa: （╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ 
[21:29] Aikar: there we go
[21:29] DPGame: isn't the laste one a table?!?
[21:29] DPGame: but rotated 180 deg
[21:29] Aikar: 
ACTION played FFXI for like 6 years, saw lots of thrown tables!

[21:30] DPGame: ┻━┻
[21:30] DPGame: table
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[21:30] DPGame: Aikar if i require(vars.js)
[21:30] DPGame: two times
[21:30] DPGame: are the vars still the same?
[21:30] Aikar: the return is cached, if its an object
[21:30] DPGame: or the default vars?
[21:31] Aikar: so vars.js: module.exports = { foo: 1, bar: 2, baz: '3' }
[21:31] Aikar: objects in javascript are all passed by reference
[21:31] Aikar: so youll get the exact same object from both files
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[21:31] DPGame: and simply exports.var dont work in this case(file vars.js)
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[21:32] Aikar: you can use exports.var = 1; if you want
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[21:32] DPGame: and if my main.js change sth
[21:33] DPGame: my parser.js can acces the changed value?
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[21:34] Aikar: yes
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[21:35] DPGame: thanks
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[21:37] jocafa: SubStack:  your drawings are silly. ♥ 
[21:38] SubStack: jocafa: it's true
[21:38] jocafa: mhmm.
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[21:45] DPGame: Aikar? if i restart the .js file.... the vars will be resetted?
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[21:52] DennisRasmussen: DPGame, what does restart mean? To run node again or to require again? require caches everything, node itself doesn't
[21:52] jocafa: "We now return you to the Mocean Worker album which is already in progress."
[21:52] DPGame: node code again
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[21:52] DPGame: but i know the answer is that the vars will be deleted
[21:52] DPGame: (now)
[21:53] DPGame: Error: ENOENT, No such file or directory './data/login/users.json'    -   but there is a file in this directory...
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[21:55] brianc: DPGame: try using `__dirname + '/data/login/users.json' instead of relative path
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[21:56] DPGame: thanks it works now
[21:56] DPGame: why ever :D
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[21:59] brianc: DPGame: because your './' path is relative to the current working directory which is most likely wherever you started node.  __dirname is the full directory to the file in which it is typed...it varies depending on which directory the file is within
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[21:59] brianc: /path/index.js : __dirname == '/path'
[21:59] brianc: /path/lib/something.js : __dirname == '/path/lib'
[22:00] jstash: is there a node.js "cookie jar" implementation?  looking for something that can do domain scoping and expiry
[22:00] brianc: jstash: the connect cookie middleware?
[22:00] jstash: hmm... not using connect, but i'll take a look. thanks!
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[22:01] tjholowaychuk: jstash: https://github.com/LearnBoost/tobi/blob/master/lib/cookie/jar.js maybe
[22:01] brianc: I'm like a natural language version of google search
[22:01] tjholowaychuk: pretty basic but feel free to snag that or extend it
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[22:01] jstash: tjholowaychuk: we're going to write one if we can't find one
[22:01] jstash: ;)
[22:01] tjholowaychuk: sure
[22:01] tjholowaychuk: that's how it usually goes
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[22:04] DPGame: brianc? how to solve it for the path: '../data/login/000.000.000.001.json' 
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[22:07] brianc: __dirname + '/../data/login/000.000.000.001.json';
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[22:07] brianc: DPGame: if you're trying to serve a static file out of the folder you might want to use connect.static() middleware
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[22:08] DPGame: this file wouldn't be served
[22:08] brianc: caveat being connect.static() exposes the entire directories contents to the web
[22:08] brianc: (and sub directories)
[22:08] DPGame: i wrote a http server on my own which does exactly that
[22:08] DPGame: =)
[22:09] brianc: DPGame: does it serve files out of sub directories?  Because that can be a Bad Thing.
[22:09] DPGame: yes it does
[22:09] DPGame: but all the files get's whitelisted on startup
[22:09] DPGame: so you cant load a file you musn't load
[22:10] DPGame: =)
[22:10] brianc: DPGame: http://yourdomain.com/../../.ssh/id_rsa 
[22:10] jocafa: anyone using cloudnode?
[22:10] DPGame: dont work
[22:10] DPGame: ERROR 404 - File not found
[22:11] DPGame: on startup the server seeks all files in my /http/  directory
[22:11] DPGame: and whitelist them
[22:11] DPGame: and cache them
[22:11] DPGame: so the server can answer quickly to requests 
[22:11] DPGame: and because of startup whitelisting it cant access other dirs
[22:12] DPGame: should be "unhackable" if there isn't a security issue in node.js http server code
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[22:13] DPGame: *http module code
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[22:20] DPGame: yeah user auth finished
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[22:32] LeCamarade: Hi all; how do I spawn a new process that is not a child_process?
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[22:33] LeCamarade: I mean something like Erlang’s `spawn` function.
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[22:36] DPGame: why it shouldn't be a child?
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[22:37] tjholowaychuk: LeCamarade this isnt erlang.. we dont have LWPs
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[22:37] LeCamarade: DPGame: Because I am not running an external program.
[22:38] DPGame: oh
[22:38] LeCamarade: I just want a Node program that I can send events to.
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[22:38] DPGame: ummm no idea :/
[22:38] DPGame: and i have to go now... bye@all
[22:38] LeCamarade: Like, one that will synchronise messages for printing. I want to spawn it at the top, then give it the messages at random, knowing it will not receive-and-process more than one at a time.
[22:39] LeCamarade: We do it with a spawned process in Erlang.
[22:39] jocafa: 
ACTION goes back to C

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[22:40] LeCamarade: tjholowaychuk: So what do you use where you would need lightweight processes?
[22:40] zmbmartin: I am really bad with regex how can I match and replace "Section 2: " in this string -> "Section 2: Site And Water" I just want to return everything after ": "?
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[22:41] LeCamarade: Surely it cannot be that spinlock or call an external in every such case.
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[22:41] LeCamarade: zmbmartin: The regex is this:
[22:41] LeCamarade: /:.*$/
[22:42] LeCamarade: zmbmartin: So, for example, the following:
[22:43] LeCamarade: 'Section 2: Man and Water'.replace(/:.*$/, '');
[22:43] LeCamarade: Results in:
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[22:43] LeCamarade: Section 2
[22:43] LeCamarade: zmbmartin: Works for you?
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[22:44] zmbmartin: LeCamarade: I actually want to part after the ": " to return not the part before.
[22:45] LeCamarade: zmbmartin: Also easy, use /^[^:]*/
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[22:45] LeCamarade: Example:
[22:47] zmbmartin: LeCamarade: Thank you that still leaves the ": " on so if I have "This is: Another part" it returns ": Another part"
[22:47] LeCamarade: zmbmartin: Changed it, here is the solution:
[22:47] LeCamarade: rez = 'Section 2: Man and Water'.match(/: (.*)$/, '$1');
[22:47] LeCamarade: rez[1]
[22:47] LeCamarade: ;
[22:48] LeCamarade: Voilà.
[22:48] LeCamarade: Works for you?
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[22:50] zmbmartin: LeCamarade: Thank you
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[22:53] LeCamarade: zmbmartin: In that code I gave you last, the match function doesn’t actually need to have that last argument, $1. It remained from my having used replace earlier.
[22:54] zmbmartin: LeCamarade: Thanks a lot
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[23:08] LeCamarade: You know, IRC used to be the place to get a quick answer.
[23:08] LeCamarade: :-(
[23:08] LeCamarade: Today, it is a place to watch computers shut down.
[23:09] LeCamarade: Computers thousands of miles away.
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[23:10] TheJH: LeCamarade, you know, most IRC clients let you disable join/quit messages :D
[23:11] LeCamarade: TheJH: Hmm ... Let me see.
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[23:11] LeCamarade: Pidgin seems incapable.
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[23:15] mmalecki: tjholowaychuk: hahaha
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[23:15] tjholowaychuk: im starting to feel bad for him
[23:15] tjholowaychuk: programming is a nasty world
[23:16] tjholowaychuk: of immature people haha
[23:16] tjholowaychuk: fighting over text
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[23:21] tjholowaychuk: kenperkins yup pretty often
[23:21] kenperkins: trying to find out if 938 is going to make it into stable
[23:21] kenperkins: it's causing us grief with clipboard & memcached
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[23:26] TheJH: tjholowaychuk, what do you think, are my comments on the pull request too trolly?
[23:27] tjholowaychuk: haha
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[23:27] tjholowaychuk: i dont even know anymore
[23:28] EyePulp: anyone have a favorite mailing module?
[23:28] EyePulp: I need to be able to set headers (and possibly) attachments
[23:29] EyePulp: headers is the big get at the moment though
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[23:35] enmand: Is there a tool for debugging C++ Node modules (other than gdb)?
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[23:35] Nimphious: o/
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[23:44] rayfinkle: does node have a bind function?
[23:47] tjholowaychuk: rayfinkle v8 does yeah
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[23:48] ryanrolds_w_: I wish there was a ban on asking/answering Node related questions with coffeescript, unless the issue was specifically to do with CS.
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[23:48] enmand: Is ndb useful in debugging C++ modules?
[23:49] rayfinkle: tjholowaychuk: awesome
[23:49] tjholowaychuk: ryanrolds_w_ haha yeah it's annoying
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[23:50] 36DAAITP8: Looking for some examples (source code) of full web apps.  I've been playing around with various ways of organizing express apps, but I'd love to see some examples of large apps and how they pass around the server instance what whatnot.
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[23:52] ideaworks: hey, does anybody know how to get around the liv8.a SConstruct -> libv8.a error. I'm on CentOS
[23:52] te-brian: Above web app question was me.. forgot to identify.
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