[00:00] nuck: lz: The problem is websockets
[00:00] freewil: i think pg = postgres
[00:00] nuck: There appears to be a glitch in Safari Mobile which breaks websockets
[00:00] nuck: Well,
[00:00] nuck: WebSockets breaks it
[00:00] lz: nuck: I read that on stackoverflow too. You have xp with redis working over cell?
[00:01] rabidsnail: pg is postgres, yeah
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[00:01] kuebk^: is there any changelog for 0.4.12?
[00:01] rabidsnail: does cluster somehow get node to create the epoll set after forking?
[00:02] rabidsnail: under normal circumstances epoll sets are shared with subprocesses after a fork
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[00:08] b52: how can i really log a object so that i dont get [object Object] but some useful information?
[00:09] joshkehn: b52: What are you using?
[00:09] b52: nodejs + mongoose
[00:09] joshkehn: I mean are you using a log lib or straight console.log?
[00:10] b52: console.log
[00:10] tjholowaychuk: you didn't say you dont need that!
[00:10] joshkehn: tjholowaychuk: ahha
[00:10] tjholowaychuk: josh is broken!
[00:10] joshkehn: I don't know what he's doing. I assume he knows what he needs.
[00:10] joshkehn: b52: You can say console.log('The object is', obj);
[00:11] joshkehn: Or you can call JSON.stringify() or I think sys.inspect
[00:11] lz: You can use JSON.stringify() if it's not a cyclical object
[00:11] b52: why does my mongoose .findOne({email: 'hansll'} ... returns an object with   email: 'E-Mail' ?!
[00:12] joshkehn: b52: Ask tjholowaychuk
[00:12] tjholowaychuk: 
ACTION doesn't work on mongoose

[00:12] joshkehn: 
ACTION wonders who works on mongoose

[00:12] lz: b52: you might be setting it wrong, check where you're setting the email value
[00:12] b52: ?
[00:13] joshkehn: tjholowaychuk: Sorry, I got confused.
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[00:14] b52: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/478835/
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[00:15] lz: b52: you're setting email to "E-Mail" up top 
[00:15] b52: ?
[00:15] b52: its my data set
[00:15] b52: but i want to lookup an entry with a specific email
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[00:17] b52: i mean why does it find an entry with email = "E-Mail" although i state that the entry should have email = hansll
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[00:20] lz: b52: good question :)
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[00:22] b52: i know ;)
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[00:24] lz: did you try {'email': 'hanslll'}
[00:25] b52: yes, doesnt work either
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[00:40] b52: none an idea?
[00:40] elliottcable: Does `console.log()` not support Unicode or something?
[00:40] elliottcable: v8> console.log("http://\uD83D\uDC7E.tk")
[00:40] v8bot_: elliottcable: CONSOLE: ["http://👾.tk"], OUTPUT: undefined
[00:40] elliottcable: well, that bot obviously doesn’t
[00:40] elliottcable: I can’t get oftn-bot in here, is there already a node-bot in here?
[00:40] joshkehn: b52: None here.
[00:42] lz: b52: your mongodb is haunted
[00:42] AvianFlu: you might have to call a priest
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[00:43] b52: funny h3h3
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[00:45] lz: v8> var a = "http://\uD83D\uDC7E.tk"; console.log("%s",a)
[00:45] v8bot_: lz: CONSOLE: ["%s", "http://👾.tk"], OUTPUT: undefined
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[00:45] lz: huh.
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[00:46] skiz: v8> console.log(new Buffer("http://\uD83D\uDC7E.tk").toString('base64'));
[00:46] v8bot_: skiz: ReferenceError: Buffer is not defined
[00:46] murvin: have anyone tried node.js on Facebook apps?
[00:46] bronson: Can I npm test my module before installing it?
[00:47] skiz: murvin: works fine, you can also easily use the js sdk and access the users cookies on the backend
[00:47] isaacs: bronson: sure.
[00:47] murvin: cool
[00:47] isaacs: bronson: npm install sax --npat
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[00:47] lz: ah
[00:47] bronson: isaacs, oh good.   Then I have a problem with my package.js.
[00:47] isaacs: bronson: or, locally, `npm test`
[00:47] isaacs: bronson: list a test command
[00:47] isaacs: bronson: help json
[00:47] lz: javascript can't handle utf numbers bigger than 0xfff
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[00:48] murvin: i m going to make my 4th node.js project soon but on facebook.. so gotta know what I need to do.  i did php on facebook though.
[00:48] lz: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6985851/how-to-render-32bit-unicode-characters-in-google-v8-and-nodejs
[00:48] murvin: nightmare
[00:48] lz: er correction
[00:48] bronson: From my package.json:   , "scripts"      : { "test" : "node test/test-valid.js" }
[00:48] lz: you need to split it up
[00:48] bronson: Result: Cannot find module 'valid'
[00:49] bronson: tho I have: , "directories"  : { "lib" : "./lib" }    and ./lib/valid.js exists
[00:50] Aikar: isaacs: im having trouble running my code under node 0.5.7 where it works on 0.4.12... its throwing a strict error but i havent defined use strict... has vm.runInThisContext changed in a way that if the code it runs uses 'use strict' it could propogate up to global?
[00:50] isaacs: Aikar: not that i'm aware of.
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[00:50] isaacs: Aikar: can you create an isolated example and psot to the mailing list?
[00:50] Aikar: any idea why im getting it then? i searched node source and couldnt figure it out
[00:50] isaacs: that sounds weird.
[00:50] isaacs: yeah, we don't add use strict.
[00:50] isaacs: create a minimal test, and share it.
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[00:51] Aikar: ok ill try to recreate it in a small case
[00:51] isaacs: kewl
[00:51] isaacs: would be fun to reproduce.
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[00:53] Aikar: ok its def something in combination with Traceur, just reproduced it
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[00:53] Aikar: but it works fine on 0.4.x
[00:55] Aikar: isaacs: https://gist.github.com/1228039#comments
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[00:55] isaacs: Aikar: sounds ike a traceur bug
[00:55] Aikar: isaacs: it doesnt affect 0.4.x
[00:56] Aikar: did v8 change how use strict was handled?
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[00:56] isaacs: Aikar: not that i'm aware of
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[00:56] isaacs: but if you can't repro it without traceur, then something weird is up
[00:56] isaacs: Aikar: can you compile class.js and then reproduce the issue with just javascript files?
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[00:57] Aikar: they require a runtime js for classes
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[00:58] b52: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/478880/ anyone?
[00:59] Aikar: traceur.define('runtime', function() { 'use strict';
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[00:59] Aikar: whats diff between ' and "?
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[01:00] b52: none
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[01:02] bronson: In my npm package, should my tests include the module with require('../lib/module')?
[01:03] isaacs: bronson: yeah, that's bes.
[01:03] isaacs: *best
[01:03] bronson: Seems like require('module') should be enough.
[01:03] bronson: Ah.
[01:05] bronson: OK, that's easy enough.  But how should my module include another module in the package?
[01:05] bronson: in test/valid-test.js: require('../lib/valid')    in lib/valid.js: require('valid-engine')
[01:06] bronson: So, of course, 'npm test' prints Error: Cannot find module 'valid-engine'
[01:06] isaacs: bronson: npm install valid-engine
[01:06] bronson: isaacs, so I DO need to install before running tests.  :)
[01:06] isaacs: bronson: or, better yet, add it as a devDependency, and run `npm install`
[01:06] isaacs: bronson: oh, yeah
[01:06] isaacs: you need to install local dependencies, of course.
[01:06] isaacs: otherwise how could you load them?
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[01:07] Aikar: function strictGlobalEval(code) {
[01:07] Aikar:     return ('global', eval)('"use strict";' + code);
[01:07] Aikar:   }
[01:07] Aikar: i bet that has something to do with it
[01:07] Aikar: but why does it only affect .5.x
[01:07] isaacs: Aikar: well, we do have a new version of v8
[01:07] isaacs: that's a weird construct, though
[01:07] Aikar: thats googles code... lol
[01:07] Aikar: i still dont fully understand that syntax
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[01:08] Aikar: dont we have a resident v8 guy in here
[01:09] bronson: isaacs, "scripts" : { "test" : "NODE_PATH=lib node test/test-valid.js" }
[01:09] bronson: Think that's less hackish?
[01:09] isaacs: bronson: why the NODE_PATH?
[01:09] bronson: Makes the modules in lib available so I can test before installing.
[01:09] isaacs: bronson: you realize that'll make test-valid.js require("foo") --> require(test/lib/foo.js)?
[01:10] isaacs: bronson: why not just do your require()s with ../lib/foo?
[01:10] TooTallNate: bronson: why not "require('../lib/foo')"?
[01:10] isaacs: bronson: the advantage of putting the relative paths in the test files is that you can also run them one at a time.
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[01:11] bronson: isaacs, TooTallNate: I do have require('../lib/valid') in my tests.  But I can't do that for the modules in ./lib.
[01:11] TooTallNate: bronson: just do require('./foo')
[01:12] bronson: I need lib/valid to require lib/valid-engine
[01:12] TooTallNate: require('./valid-engine')
[01:12] bronson: Hm, good point.
[01:12] Aikar: if you want lib/valid-engine, then request lib/valid-engine and not lib/valid
[01:12] bronson: Seems weird but I can't think of a downside.  :)
[01:12] TooTallNate: there's no downside ;)
[01:12] Aikar: name your files in a non weird manner then :P
[01:12] bronson: Aikar, lib/valid requires lib/valid-engine.  The test doesn't know that.
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[01:13] bronson: True, I'm not happy with this naming.
[01:13] TooTallNate: bronson: i've never had to mess with NODE_PATH. whenever you're doing that, there's probably a better way
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[01:14] Aikar: i use it one way >_> to hack in global modules for my test runner
[01:14] bronson: I have a module that tells how to do validations, and a module that defines all the common validations people would want to use.
[01:14] bronson: lib/valid-engine   and   lib/valid.  If anyone has suggestions on how to improve that, I'm all ears.  :)
[01:15] Aikar: my test runner does require('vows/bin/vows') after injecting all the test names into the argv and setting up other defaults, but due to npms installation path that no longer worked in 0.4.x so i had to hack it in with path
[01:15] dominictarr: bronson: link?
[01:15] Aikar: rather just npm install vows -g instead of per project...
[01:15] bronson: dominictarr, not ready for consumption yet...  README is rather out of date.  But: https://github.com/bronson/valid
[01:15] TooTallNate: bronson: there's nothing wrong with that, separation of logic into separate modules is the idea
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[01:16] isaacs: Aikar: ok
[01:16] bronson: TooTallNate, right on.  Things seem to work, thanks to you & isaacs.
[01:16] Aikar: isaacs: ok what? lol
[01:17] bronson: isaacs++, TooTallNate++
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[01:17] isaacs: bronson: i think your problem with this NODE_PATH thing is being afraid of dots instead of being afraid of magic.
[01:17] isaacs: relative paths.  turns out they're super awesome.
[01:18] bronson: haha.  my problem is that seeing dots in production files sets of my weird alarm.
[01:18] isaacs: new people can look at your files and know exactly what's going on.  then those new people do your job for you.
[01:18] isaacs: i'm not joking.
[01:18] bronson: Just a prejudice I'll have to get over.
[01:18] dominictarr: blonson: a markdown trick I realized lately is that a double space at the end of the line forces a new line, which can make it much more readable
[01:18] isaacs: they'll fix bugs for you.
[01:18] Aikar: relative is good mmkay
[01:18] bronson: dominictarr, markdown is so weird.  thanks, I'll get to the readme later tonight.
[01:18] Aikar: i hate relying on hard coded path configs
[01:19] bronson: First I'll get arrays and JSON validating.
[01:19] Aikar: make yo shit work relative and put it wherever
[01:19] isaacs: dominictarr, bronson (blonson?): also, if you indent your code blocks, then they'll be all codey
[01:19] bronson: Aikar, right!  that's my prejudice.
[01:19] dominictarr: also ``` js \n [code] \n ```
[01:19] Aikar: BASEPATH=__dirname; in an init function in proj root
[01:19] Aikar: bam a global that references project dir
[01:20] dominictarr: then you get js syntax hilighting
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[01:20] dominictarr: also, replace `js` with `bash` or whatever...
[01:21] isaacs: see?!?
[01:21] isaacs: look at that!!
[01:21] isaacs: BAM!!  pull req'd!
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[01:22] Aikar: ... why is my music buffering with a 30mbit connection
[01:22] tbranyen: because its more comcastic that way
[01:22] Aikar: no lamecast for me
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[01:23] Aikar: hmm
[01:23] Aikar: some AWN python module is pegging cpu
[01:23] Aikar: oh...
[01:23] Aikar: Media Control ><
[01:24] Aikar: too bad i cant killall python
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[01:25] Aikar: why hasnt htop officially replaced top
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[01:26] bronson: isaacs, Not ready for public consumption!!  But thanks.  :)
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[01:27] bronson: That's pretty awesome to get a pull request before it even works.
[01:27] luxigo: isaacs: is it possible to use binary modules on windows yet ?..  TODO.win32 says "Extensions should be DLL on windows"  ... maybe I need to compile a static library instead ?..
[01:27] isaacs: luxigo: not sure if it's possible yet.
[01:28] luxigo: isaacs: if it's possible it's undocumented :-)
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[01:29] aho: for now, i'd be happy if i could create directories on windows :>
[01:29] luxigo: isaacs: i'll use pipes or cygwin in the meanwhile..
[01:29] aho: w/o that exception, that is
[01:29] luxigo: damn
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[01:31] luxigo: tooks me hours to compile it on this thing that shall remain unnamed and unused..
[01:31] luxigo: :-)
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[02:07] isaacs: when dealing with duplex streams, is there ever a case where you want to shut down the writable side, but still keep reading data?
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[02:07] isaacs: i grok the use case of and end/close/destroySoon kind of thing, but i'm wondering about whether or not we want to support somehow the opposite of that.
[02:08] isaacs: pquerna, ryah, mikeal ^  ?
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[02:09] mjr_: isaacs: you mean like if you were writing data into a gzipper and you reached the end, but you wan to keep reading the output?
[02:09] isaacs: nono
[02:09] isaacs: that's easy
[02:09] isaacs: just call end() but don't do any shutdown or anything
[02:09] isaacs: filtered streams are actually a lot simpler than duplexes
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[02:10] mjr_: oh, like if you call shutdown, instead of end, then what should happen in the duplex case
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[02:10] isaacs: right
[02:10] mjr_: oh yeah, hmm
[02:10] mjr_: Seems like if you call shutdown, you are done.
[02:10] isaacs: or, perhaps, some way to tell the underlying thingie to stop reading right now, not once the write queue is flusehd
[02:11] isaacs: "I'm going to forcibly destroy the connection as soon as the write queue is flushed, so you should probably stop bothering to read from that fd"
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[02:11] isaacs: but i guess just .end() is the answer to my first question.
[02:12] isaacs: shuts down my side, but yours stays open
[02:12] mjr_: I think so
[02:12] isaacs: how "shut down" you know it to be is a bit of an implementation detail
[02:12] isaacs: and you can do sock.end(function() { sock.destroy() })
[02:12] isaacs: to flush and then forcibly destroy
[02:12] mjr_: That sounds nice
[02:13] isaacs: but it'd be nice if there was a way to stop *reading* before the write queue is flushed.
[02:13] isaacs: like, "a destroy is coming, so be efficient!"
[02:13] mjr_: yeah, burn through this input, because who cares
[02:13] isaacs: or even, stop burning through it
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[02:14] isaacs: like, let the tcp buffer fill up, since it's dying soon anyway
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[02:14] isaacs: stop spinning your while(bytes = read()) loop
[02:15] isaacs: anyway, i'm trying to use documentation to bring some order to our api design here, after a long conversation with ryah and rm about this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3685/node-streams.md
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[02:16] mjr_: I'll read that after I reboot
[02:16] jmoyers: yaaay
[02:19] cgiffard: I've got a (kinda dumb) query about the http library that wasn't clear after reading the documentation: How do I forcibly close an http client request? The destroy() and setTimeout methods don't seem to be present on the req.socket object, and there doesn't seem to be a client equivalent to req.connection. Perhaps I'm just approaching this the wrong way...?
[02:19] b52: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/478910/ srsly wtf?!
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[02:23] aho: where('email', 'E-Mail')
[02:23] aho: that dash there
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[02:24] freewil: cgiffard, i believe you can use request.end()
[02:25] b52: yeah i know
[02:25] b52: i just wanted to show, that the first one doesnt find a result, which is correct, and the latter does find a result, where obv. the email field isnt like i specified it
[02:26] b52: and i got no clue why
[02:26] cgiffard: freewil, doesn't that just execute the request once you've finished writing data (if any) to it?
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[02:26] cgiffard: I'm already using request.end() to actually fire it off. 
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[02:27] aho: second one got no where
[02:27] freewil: cgiffard, yes and node should close the connection itself unless you use the Keep-Alive header
[02:27] aho: i don't know the api... just pointing out that you've used it differently there
[02:27] cgiffard: freewill my problem is more that I'm doing a broad scan of a variety of servers - and some of them have appalling latency. I want to just kill the requests if they take too long
[02:28] cgiffard: node doesn't seem to be killing them very quickly
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[02:28] cgiffard: (they take a good 10 minutes to time out)
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[02:29] cgiffard: I can't seem to get hold of the socket in order to terminate them myself...
[02:29] freewil: cgiffard, here i used a setTimeout to handle that: https://github.com/freewil/btc-ex-api/blob/master/lib/Exchange.js#L233
[02:29] cgiffard: freewil: thanks, checking it out now
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[02:31] freewil: cgiffard, you'll see that i setup a setTimeout before the https.request() call and then in the res.on('end') callback i clear the timeout
[02:32] cgiffard: freewill, ah- so the .connection property isn't created until there's a response from the server?
[02:32] jyap: quick question. https://gist.github.com/1228170 --> in function(rs), success() is called. is that calling the variable in function test1(success)?  is that a javascript design pattern?
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[02:33] joshkehn: jyap:  What do you mean?
[02:33] Wa: yes and yes jyap 
[02:33] joshkehn: Oh. Yes
[02:34] freewil: cgiffard, im not sure the exact time that is created.. probably in your code, the first place you can see it is in the data callback
[02:34] jyap: in mean i see success() is called.  i don't get how it works.
[02:34] jyap: Wa: where can i read up more about this design pattern?  does it have a name?
[02:35] Wa: success is an identifier, it doesn't matter whether it was a variable name or function name. You can set a function reference to a variable and call the variable etc
[02:35] aho: it's just a callback
[02:35] Wa: in such a case, success s- yeah that ^
[02:36] jyap: you can call back to the same function?  is that what it's doing?
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[02:36] Wa: test1(function(){console.log("complete")}); it'll execute that function
[02:37] aho: it's a different function (success), which is used to "call back" from within test1
[02:37] Wa: well that was an example but I guess they have that inline
[02:37] Wa: test1(function() { util.log("SUCCESS"); process.exit(0); }) see that part
[02:37] Wa: that function they made is passed as the success argument
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[02:39] cgiffard: freewil, thanks! That seems to be working. :)
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[02:39] freewil: cgiffard, excellent glad i could help
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[02:39] jyap: test1(function() { util.log("SUCCESS"); process.exit(0); }) --> that's an inline function?
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[02:40] Wa: well it's called an anonymous function
[02:40] tbranyen: or just a function expression
[02:40] tbranyen: test1(function namedFunctionExpression() { })
[02:40] Wa: but yes, it's just creating that function and passing it as the first argument (ie. success)
[02:40] tbranyen: yes
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[02:41] jyap: oh, i see, it's passing in that function as the argument
[02:42] jyap: i'm less confused now.  thanks all.
[02:45] Wa: arbitrarily; self promotion: https://github.com/logicplace/jslon  was annoyed at how incredibly strict JSON.parse is so I made a super loose version
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[02:46] joshkehn: JSLON?
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[02:46] joshkehn: I like it
[02:47] Wa: :]
[02:47] Wa: can look at the test.jslon for an example of the syntax. Sadly the gedit highlighter doesn't do line continued keynames properly yet :S
[02:48] Wa: of course the parser handles everything fine though
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[02:53] daleharvey: is there a standard  if (fileExists(req.url)) { serveFile... thing for express?
[02:53] tjholowaychuk: daleharvey there's res.sendfile
[02:54] tjholowaychuk: you would probably want to do path.exists(path) first though if you want to do something else with that, or provide a callback
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[02:55] andoriyu_: stupid questions time!
[02:55] joshkehn: andoriyu_: Cool
[02:55] andoriyu_: how to write my own async function?
[02:55] joshkehn: process.nextTick
[02:55] joshkehn: or setTimeout / setInterval
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[02:56] andoriyu_: that's it? What about eventEmitter ?
[02:56] joshkehn: function (callback) { process.nextTick(function () { /* do stuff */ callback(); }) }
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[02:56] joshkehn: You can use EventEmitter to trigger events. 
[02:56] andoriyu_: ok
[02:56] joshkehn: It's decoupled, not async.
[02:56] andoriyu_: thank you
[02:56] joshkehn: Np
[02:57] freewil: joshkehn, what do you mean by that
[02:57] freewil: its decoupled, not async?
[02:57] andoriyu_: II just needed to make sure that i'm on a right track
[02:57] daleharvey: tjholowaychuk: would that be added as "middleware" or some global hook? I obviously dont want to add a ifExistsSend to the start of every app.get(...
[02:57] joshkehn: freewil: I mean it's not asynchronous. 
[02:58] tjholowaychuk: daleharvey oh, you just want a static file server? just add app.use(express.static('public'))
[02:58] joshkehn: I'm not sure how events are fired, that could be asynchronous. 
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[02:58] freewil: why would one want to use EventEmitter instead of just using callbacks?
[02:59] joshkehn: freewil:  ?
[02:59] daleharvey: tjholowaychuk: as well as with the ability to handle rest calls, yeh
[02:59] joshkehn: I don't follow.
[02:59] Twisol: freewil: EventEmitter lets multiple listeners observe rather than just one. Assuming I understand you properly.
[02:59] tjholowaychuk: daleharvey if it's ENOENT it will just fall through to the router (if you put static() above the router)
[02:59] tjholowaychuk: or place it below
[02:59] tjholowaychuk: and if no route matches it'll have a chance to stat() and response
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[02:59] tjholowaychuk: respond(*
[02:59] daleharvey: tjholowaychuk: perfect, thanks
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[03:00] freewil: Twisol, i think that answers it. It seems there are at least two patterns. You can call a function and pass a callback. Or you can register even handlers on some object that listen for events from EventEmitter
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[03:00] joshkehn: freewil: That sounds about right.
[03:01] Twisol: Emitted events are usually for things that happen repeatedly
[03:01] joshkehn: I don't think I explained that clearly.
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[03:01] Twisol: passing a callback usually (but not always) happens when it'll only be called back once
[03:02] freewil: that makes sense
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[03:03] tbranyen: yeah i mean in the case of watchFile you get the callback being called multiple times
[03:03] tbranyen: which is kinda weird
[03:04] freewil: i think EventEmitter is more suited for optional event handlers
[03:04] Twisol: arguably less weird than having an object just for emitting those events
[03:04] freewil: so you dont have to pass a function like 10 callback functions
[03:04] Twisol: Yeah, that's a good way to look at it. Events are like "Hey, if you want to know about this, here it is", and callbacks are like "Here's what you asked for."
[03:04] freewil: ... for 10 diff events that may happen within the function
[03:05] freewil: Twisol, well put
[03:05] Twisol: :D
[03:05] jetienne: eventemitter allow to remove a listener too
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[03:07] freewil: isn't EventEmitter being rewritten or something?
[03:07] freewil: EventEmitter2?
[03:07] tjholowaychuk: no
[03:07] tjholowaychuk: ee2 just extends it with a few things
[03:07] joshkehn: hij1nx worked on that.
[03:07] joshkehn: It isn't a rewrite as I understand.
[03:07] andoriyu_: so nextTick is inside every async function or what? O_o
[03:08] freewil: ah ok
[03:08] joshkehn: andoriyu_: That or underlying libevent code. AFAIK
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[03:10] andoriyu_: i need to read something about how node.js works.
[03:10] freewil: andoriyu_, did you watch the intro vid?
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[03:10] tbranyen: do you believe in magic?
[03:11] andoriyu_: tbranyen, I belive in unicorns 
[03:11] andoriyu_: freewil, I don't think so...
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[03:11] freewil: andoriyu_, do it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo_B4LTHi3I
[03:12] freewil: an hour well spent
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[03:12] andoriyu_: ohh yea, I started that video, and then safari crashed.
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[03:14] joshkehn: andoriyu_: What are you trying to understand?
[03:14] andoriyu_: event loop
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[03:16] Twisol: It's just an infinite loop that constantly gets the next queued event and executes the callback.
[03:16] joshkehn: while (true) { var staged = events.pop(); staged.forEach(function (item) { item(); }) }
[03:16] joshkehn: Something like that I think. Roughly. 
[03:16] Twisol: (nb: not really infinite, there's a break condition, but it's not critical to the idea)
[03:16] joshkehn: The wiki page is pretty good too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_loop
[03:17] andoriyu_: That is easy, but how can i put my things in q 
[03:17] joshkehn: process.nextTick(callback);
[03:17] Twisol: andoriyu_: process.nextTick(your_callback_here)
[03:17] andoriyu_: nextTick will force event loop to execute my function next
[03:17] joshkehn: On the next tick, eys
[03:17] joshkehn: yes*
[03:17] Twisol: andoriyu_: Maybe that means there aren't any events in the list with higher priority
[03:18] andoriyu_: but if all my function will trying to be next what the point of queu 
[03:18] joshkehn: They aren't all trying to be next.
[03:18] Twisol: andoriyu_: The idea is to defer functions until something has happened that is "interesting".
[03:18] joshkehn: They are staged to be executed.
[03:18] Twisol: Which one comes next isn't relevant in that context
[03:19] Twisol: Once something "interesting" has happened, an event is dropped in the queue
[03:19] Twisol: process.nextTick() just skips waiting for something interesting, if you will
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[03:20] andoriyu_: so it's okey to put my code (validation for example) in nextTick() ?
[03:20] joshkehn: I don't see why not.
[03:20] tjholowaychuk: andoriyu_ that wont make it faster or anything
[03:20] Twisol: You just have to realize that another event might be handled before your nextTick code is run, so be careful if you depend on global state
[03:21] andoriyu_: I see
[03:21] andoriyu_: tjholowaychuk, but it will make my code cleaner 
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[03:22] andoriyu_: Can I create my own event loop?
[03:23] tjholowaychuk: google libev
[03:23] Twisol: andoriyu_: in node.js?
[03:23] andoriyu_: For example I have to subscribe to message bus and fire some function 
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[03:23] joshkehn: Why not use EE?
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[03:25] andoriyu_: joshkehn, EE is for firing, but what about subscribtion?
[03:25] joshkehn: You mean
[03:25] joshkehn: obj.on('event') ?
[03:27] andoriyu_: For example I have another node/ruby server with Faye. Does putting Faye client into node,js server fits design?
[03:27] joshkehn: I'm not sure.
[03:27] joshkehn: 
ACTION distracted by this stupid file upload widget

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[03:27] Twisol: andoriyu_: If the Faye client is based on the Node net library, which I -think- it is, then sure.
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[03:28] Twisol: It'll wait on an external impulse (network activity) and let other things happen in Node, then when something interesting happens it drops an event in the queue so it gets handled at some point.
[03:28] Twisol: That's the theory anyways, I don't know much about Faye.
[03:28] WhyNo: Hey guys, I am getting cannot call method "1" of undefined breaking in net. Any ideas, here is the error: http://pastie.org/2561116
[03:28] andoriyu_: replace Faye with socket.io. fits?
[03:28] Twisol: Definitely fits, I'm using socket.io myself
[03:29] Twisol: The trick is that they're both based on network activity, and network activity is exposed by Node's net library
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[03:29] andoriyu_: ok
[03:30] blueadept: guys whats after node.js?
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[03:31] joshkehn: blueadept: Hmmm?
[03:31] SubStack: breakfastscript
[03:31] blueadept: node.js is so old, what's the new stuff now?
[03:31] joshkehn: HAh
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[03:31] blueadept: SubStack: that could work
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[03:32] blueadept: add milk. scale. profit.
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[03:32] JWarm: Hey guys, I just npm install express -g and tried running node app.js but I got this error: Cannot find module 'express'
[03:33] andoriyu_: I just use npm install inside project dir
[03:33] joshkehn: blueadept: Is it webscale?
[03:33] andoriyu_: It works
[03:33] SubStack: global installs are trouble
[03:33] JWarm: Okay
[03:33] JWarm: Cool
[03:33] JWarm: I'll do that
[03:33] JWarm: Tanks
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[03:33] JWarm: Thanks
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[03:35] blueadept: of course. nosql-in-memory-key-value-store support as well. websockets et al. real-time commerce for the social mobile web, with a focus on local. did i mention it has a group-deals API built-in 
[03:36] andoriyu_: btw, which flow controll lib is better?
[03:37] blueadept: andoriyi_: async is cool, https://github.com/caolan/async
[03:37] JWarm: How do I run the express command if I install it in the project directory?
[03:37] tjholowaychuk: andoriyu_ the one that doesnt exist :D
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[03:37] tjholowaychuk: JWarm ./node_modules/.bin/express
[03:37] tjholowaychuk: though you should install that globally
[03:37] andoriyu_: tjholowaychuk, but some of them just better
[03:37] joshkehn: ./node_modules/express/bin/express
[03:37] tjholowaychuk: andoriyu_ they're all kinda useless IMO
[03:37] JWarm: I just installed globally but when I ran app.'s i got an error stating that express couldn't be found
[03:38] tjholowaychuk: JWarm that's because only the executable is accessible when globally installed
[03:38] tjholowaychuk: require() wont look there
[03:38] tjholowaychuk: (afaik, it's changed so many times)
[03:38] JWarm: ic
[03:40] andoriyu_: tjholowaychuk, I'm just too lazy to predefine all my functions so it will looks nice
[03:40] andoriyu_: JWarm, binaries -> global, dependencies -> inside project dir 
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[03:44] JWarm: Thanks andoriyu
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[03:45] JWarm: I still don't know how to expose require to app.js though.
[03:46] andoriyu_: require('xxx')
[03:46] joshkehn: JWarm: It's a global, you don't need to expose it.
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[03:47] andoriyu_: it will look inside node_modules
[03:47] JWarm: But I'm still getting this error: Error: Cannot find module 'express'
[03:47] joshkehn: ls -la node_modules/
[03:47] joshkehn: Is there a folder called 'express' in that list?
[03:47] JWarm: Yeah
[03:48] joshkehn: Is 'app.js' in the folder next to node_modules?
[03:48] tjholowaychuk: what about $ npm ls ?
[03:48] JWarm: No, it's in a separate folder
[03:48] joshkehn: Put it alongside node_modules.
[03:49] JWarm: Progress I guess. I get this error: EADDRINUSE, Address already in use
[03:50] JWarm: I have an instance of node already running, but I haven't been able to kill it.
[03:50] joshkehn: What port did you tell it to listen on?
[03:50] JWarm: 3000
[03:50] JWarm: oh
[03:50] JWarm: let me hceck
[03:50] joshkehn: What os are you on?
[03:50] JWarm: ubuntu
[03:50] JWarm: port 3000
[03:50] JWarm: i have it set to that
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[03:50] JWarm: I have another instance of node running, but I haven't been able to kill it 
[03:51] joshkehn: You can do a ps | grep node to see if an existing node process is running.
[03:51] joshkehn: And then do a kill [pid]
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[03:51] tjholowaychuk: JWarm: killall -9 node
[03:51] joshkehn: tjholowaychuk: Is killall available on Ubuntu?
[03:51] tjholowaychuk: should be
[03:51] JWarm: its' not
[03:52] JWarm: on this one
[03:52] tjholowaychuk: you might need to do kill -s SIGKILL pid
[03:52] tjholowaychuk: that's lame
[03:52] joshkehn: My ubuntu server has it.
[03:52] joshkehn: Interesting.
[03:52] JWarm: i listed the jobs but nothing is showing up
[03:52] joshkehn: ps -A | grep node
[03:52] cronopio: Hi noders!
[03:52] JWarm: Found it
[03:52] JWarm: Hi!
[03:52] JWarm: thanks joshkehn
[03:53] joshkehn: JWarm: You can just run a kill −9 [pid]
[03:53] JWarm: Cool
[03:53] JWarm: killed it
[03:53] joshkehn: Muwuwhaha
[03:53] cronopio: Im trying to get JSON info from google. I just use this https://gist.github.com/1228286 and i get a error parsing from JSON.parse(), Its possible google dont response correct JSON???
[03:53] JWarm: AWESOME
[03:53] JWarm: thank you all for your help!!
[03:53] joshkehn: Np
[03:53] JWarm: :)
[03:54] joshkehn: cronopio: I dunno
[03:54] joshkehn: Looks like it is incorrect.
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[03:54] cronopio: joshkehn: the google response?? are not correct for JSON.parse()???
[03:55] joshkehn: I don't think so.
[03:55] joshkehn: My JSONview plugin crashes on the paeg.
[03:55] joshkehn: page*
[03:55] joshkehn: I'm trying to curl it now.
[03:55] cronopio: joshkehn: :P
[03:55] cronopio: joshkehn: thanks for your help! :)
[03:55] joshkehn: {lhs: "1 U.S. dollar",rhs: "1 821.49362 Colombian pesos",error: "",icc: true}
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[03:55] joshkehn: That is not valid JSON
[03:55] cronopio: jslatts: :(
[03:55] joshkehn: That's a valid JS object, but not JSON
[03:56] joshkehn: 
ACTION ponders

[03:56] cronopio: oh crap
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[03:57] cronopio: joshkehn: how to convert that string response to an JS object??
[03:57] joshkehn: cronopio: You got me
[03:57] joshkehn: I would say complain to Google.
[03:57] joshkehn: Not sure how much help that will give you though.
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[03:57] bronson: 
ACTION hates so much the difference between JS objects and JSON.

[03:57] bronson: Why not let us surround keys with '' or nothing?  And allow comments?
[03:57] bronson: Owell.
[03:58] tbranyen: bronson: if you want that so bad, write .js files and eval
[03:58] cronopio: joshkehn: they should irc channel for support xD
[03:58] joshkehn: Lol
[03:58] tbranyen: #freenode?
[03:59] bronson: tbranyen, well, eval comes with one or two downsides
[03:59] cronopio: tbranyen: Google, I have a complaint to them
[03:59] joshkehn: cronopio: You could use JSLON
[03:59] tbranyen: bronson: sure do, but what you're asking isn't going to change
[04:00] joshkehn: https://github.com/logicplace/jslon
[04:00] tbranyen: at least not for another 10 years or so heh
[04:00] joshkehn: Basically loose json parsing.
[04:00] joshkehn: Might do the trick for you.
[04:00] JakeyChan: hi ?
[04:00] tbranyen: that seems kinda weird
[04:00] joshkehn: JakeyChan: HI
[04:00] joshkehn: 
ACTION mashes caps lock off

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[04:02] bronson: tbranyen, no doubt.  the JSON spec is frozen.
[04:02] bronson: Doesn't mean it's perfect.
[04:02] tbranyen: yeah, but you have alternatives
[04:02] tbranyen: use xml =)
[04:02] joshkehn: 
ACTION pukes

[04:02] bronson: DOH
[04:02] joshkehn: Did someone say XML?
[04:03] bronson: 
ACTION can live with JSON

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[04:03] joshkehn: Neither in jest nor joke shall XML be proffered as a solution.
[04:03] Skyec: don't reject reality just because its not utopia
[04:03] JakeyChan: code skill question :)
[04:03] joshkehn: JakeyChan: Easy or hard?
[04:03] JakeyChan: easy for you, hard for me :D
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[04:04] JakeyChan: when use call route('path', callback); I store the path and callback into array, the path is the key, the value is a array that contains callback :) 
[04:04] joshkehn: I'm good with that.
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[04:05] joshkehn: With you so far
[04:05] JakeyChan: so, When request is come, I search the route that match it and then call the callback one by one ?
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[04:06] joshkehn: I would stack them in a process.nextTick call
[04:06] JakeyChan: is it right ??
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[04:06] JakeyChan: process.nextTick ? never use it .. :)
[04:06] JakeyChan: I just can do stupid code program :(
[04:07] JakeyChan: can you suggest good way to do it ?
[04:07] joshkehn: callbacks.forEach(function (func) { process.nextTick(function () {func.apply(request)})})
[04:07] joshkehn: It executes the functions asynchronously. 
[04:08] JakeyChan: what's the benefits ?
[04:08] JakeyChan: ok
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[04:08] JakeyChan: good, it is node.js 
[04:08] JakeyChan: aysn :D
[04:08] JakeyChan: thanks!
[04:08] joshkehn: Np
[04:09] JakeyChan: I read the connect module, also store the middleware into array, and call it; every callback contains next argument that reference next middleware
[04:09] JakeyChan: how to do like that ?
[04:09] joshkehn: Um.
[04:09] joshkehn: Sure?
[04:09] joshkehn: I don't use connect. :/
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[04:13] JakeyChan: :D
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[04:13] JakeyChan: ok
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[04:22] JakeyChan: hi, guys :)
[04:22] joshkehn: What's up?
[04:22] JakeyChan: what do you do with node.js ??
[04:22] JakeyChan: I need idea to understand what can I do with node.js
[04:22] joshkehn: Real time stuff. Evented stuff. Socket.io stuff.
[04:22] JakeyChan: now, I build web app with node.js
[04:22] JakeyChan: how about the web server backend ? or web server router ?
[04:22] joshkehn: API's. Multi-user stuff.
[04:23] joshkehn: Depends on what you're doing.
[04:23] joshkehn: You say web app. 
[04:23] joshkehn: Can you clarify?
[04:23] JakeyChan: I can not image with node.js 
[04:23] Skyec: i'm using node.js to provide a mock service for our front-end
[04:23] Skyec: with couchdb as a backend
[04:24] JakeyChan: Skyec: so can i see it ?
[04:24] JakeyChan: is it online ?
[04:24] Skyec: no. its designed to be hosted locally for each developer
[04:24] Skyec: it provides a lightweight means for them to test the front-end without loading up our backend
[04:24] Skyec: which unfortunately, is very heavy
[04:25] JakeyChan: sounds great 
[04:25] cronopio: joshkehn: I test with that jslon and not work, return empty :(
[04:25] joshkehn: cronopio: Bitch at google.
[04:25] cronopio: joshkehn: yeah lol
[04:25] Twisol: node.js is an event-oriented programming platform, so you react to events instead of merely executing linearly. It's good things where a lot of time is spent waiting for things outside the program's control
[04:26] Wa: hm what's the matter cronopio ?
[04:26] joshkehn: Wa: Google is sending back invalid JSON
[04:26] Wa: oh
[04:26] Skyec: its great. We don't even need a webserver like Apache anymore, because nodejs just serves the content directly
[04:26] Skyec: and its very very very fast compared to how it was beforehand
[04:26] Wa: but I meant with the jslon part
[04:26] joshkehn: Wa: See http://www.google.com/ig/calculator?oe=UTF-8&q=1USD=?COP
[04:27] joshkehn: Skyec: Eh. I still like Apache for my sites.
[04:27] tjholowaychuk: joshkehn ew :p
[04:27] Twisol: I prefer nginx for static sites, heh
[04:27] Skyec: joshkehn: this isn't production. its purely for development only
[04:27] joshkehn: It's stable and fast enough for me.
[04:27] joshkehn: Key word: stable
[04:28] Twisol: Nothing wrong with apache :D
[04:28] joshkehn: And yes, I know there are lots of ways to make node very secure and crash-resistant. 
[04:28] joshkehn: I'm also hosting a relic PHP slice that I'm trying to get rid of.
[04:28] Skyec: Apache was just an example. Our real life server was JBOSS
[04:28] joshkehn: So for now it stays.
[04:28] Wa: oh weird it does return an empty string
[04:28] joshkehn: Anything with BOSS in the title must be good.
[04:29] joshkehn: Wa: From JSLON? I didn't try it.
[04:29] joshkehn: Maybe it gave up. 
[04:29] Wa: yeah
[04:29] cronopio: Wa: yeah, and JSON.parse() get error
[04:29] joshkehn: if (crazy) { return ''; }
[04:29] cronopio: both parsers crash with a Google response :S
[04:29] Wa: debugging, hold
[04:29] Wa: it SHOULD be able to parse that :/
[04:29] cronopio: Wa: thanks!
[04:30] CIA-54: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r6beeb5f 10/ (.mailmap AUTHORS): Update AUTHORS and .mailmap - http://git.io/FK_ktA
[04:31] Wa: lulz oops
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[04:33] Wa: sorry just a dopey error I didn't notice when I ran the test
[04:34] Wa: fix uploaded cronopio 
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[04:35] cronopio: Wa: i will pull the changes, thanks!
[04:36] cronopio: Wa: oh man, thanks a lot. That fix the thing. Now i can parse that shit reponse :-)
[04:36] cronopio: Wa: THANKS!!!!!
[04:37] Wa: yup no problem :]
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[05:04] saikat: is there a standard library people use these days for in-memory gzip compression?
[05:04] ricklarue: My C/C++ knowledge is weak, but trying to understand - why do you have to recompile C++-based node modules when you upgrade Node?
[05:04] saikat: i see a bunch, and last time I checked (admittedly about a year ago) things were pretty split/not all of them worked very well
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[05:06] SubStack: saikat: isaacs just wrote zlib that landed in core in 0.5.x
[05:06] saikat: oh awesome... 0.5.x is unstable currently right?
[05:06] SubStack: yep
[05:07] joshkehn: Unstable is a variable term. ;)
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[05:07] joshkehn: Mongo 1.9 was unstable, I still had that running on a few prod servers. 
[05:07] joshkehn: I only shy away from the unstable node versions because the npm maintainers tend to exclude them, which makes installing packages a bitch.
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[05:08] saikat: yeah unstable certainly varies from project to project
[05:08] saikat: i haven't done enough research to know how ok it is to use a 0.5.x in production
[05:08] joshkehn: I wouldn't only because of npm.
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[05:10] bnoordhuis: ricklarue: both the API and the ABI change regularly
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[05:10] ricklarue: bnoordhuis: Ah, thank you! That gives me something to investigate. ^_^
[05:11] bnoordhuis: ricklarue: what's the issue you're running into?
[05:11] lz: oh
[05:11] ricklarue: bnoordhuis: I'm just curious... want to know how everything works.
[05:11] bnoordhuis: ah okay :)
[05:11] lz: quick question on npm.. is it possible to set up package.json so that modules automatically require the latest version in the repo?
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[05:14] PastorBones: I'm using Cradle V0.5.7 & CouchDB V1.0.1...whenever I try to db.save() I get the method_not_allowed error and alot of things are showing up as 'undefined'
[05:14] PastorBones: reason: 'Only GET,HEAD allowed'
[05:15] PastorBones: What am I doing wrong?
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[05:16] lz: PastorBones: local couchdb instance?
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[05:17] PastorBones: hmmm, I console.log(db) immediately after I db.create() and name: 'undefined'..that's probably why...hold on
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[05:20] PastorBones: shouldn't db.name be the name of the database?
[05:21] lz: var db = c.database('starwars');
[05:21] lz: db.create();
[05:21] lz: from the docs
[05:21] lz: er, var c = new(cradle.Connection)
[05:21] konobi: does create take a callback function?
[05:22] PastorBones: yeah, that's what I have, but after db.create I console.log(db) and it says name: 'undefined'
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[05:23] lz: yep
[05:23] lz: create takes a callback
[05:23] lz: doesn't specify on the docs for some reason
[05:23] konobi: well, that's that then
[05:25] PastorBones: yeah and the err on the callback is { error: 'method_not_allowed', reason: 'Only GET,HEAD allowed' }
[05:25] PastorBones: the same error I'm getting when trying to db.save()
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[05:27] PastorBones: How do I fix this?
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[05:28] lz: sooo local couchdb instance?
[05:28] PastorBones: I have Apache CouchDB v1.0.1 running on 127.0.0.1 (Futon works), but I keep getting the method_not_allowed error
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[05:28] lz: can you create docs in futon?
[05:28] lz:  /dbs
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[05:29] PastorBones: yesh
[05:30] PastorBones: I have no restrictions in Futon
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[05:32] lz: did you put your port number in front of your host (127.0.0.1:5984)
[05:33] lz: er, that is
[05:33] lz: specify the port in options
[05:33] PastorBones: var dbConn = exports.dbConn = new(cradle.Connection)('http://127.0.0.1', 5984);
[05:34] PastorBones: that ^ is what I have
[05:34] PastorBones: same port as in Futon
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[05:35] PastorBones: yeah I've googled all over and couldn't find anything about this except an older version issue
[05:37] lz: try new(cradle.Connection)({host: 'http://127.0.0.1'})
[05:38] PastorBones: no difference
[05:38] PastorBones: I'm using Node v0.4.12 if that matters?
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[05:39] lz: possibly
[05:40] lz: why the old version?
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[05:40] PastorBones: stable release
[05:40] shripad: PastorBones, what is the issue? sorry joined in late...
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[05:41] PastorBones: shripad, using cradle & couchdb, but whenever I try to db.create() or db.save() I'm getting an err in the callback that says 'method_not_allowed' 
[05:41] shripad: stack trace?
[05:42] PastorBones: :/ how do I do that?
[05:42] mcantelon: Anyone know the substantial difference between felixge's node-mysql and sidorares's nodejs-mysql-native? They seem of similar age, and are both native JS, but felixge's seems a lot more popular.
[05:42] shripad: just the lines of output from your console... create a gist and give me the link
[05:42] dynacker: reckon facebook chat on the iphone/android is using sockets?
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[05:44] PastorBones: haha....I think I just figured out my error
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[05:44] shripad: :)
[05:44] lz: dynacker: I doubt it, sockets don't like cell networks
[05:44] dynacker: seems fairly responsive though
[05:44] PastorBones: yeah, it was a pebkac
[05:44] PastorBones: had a type in the var containing the db name
[05:44] PastorBones: typ0*
[05:44] dynacker: would it be using some sort of rest web service or something? i doubt it'd be that quick if they were polling every x seconds
[05:45] lz: PastorBones: heh glad it worked out
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[05:46] PastorBones: would it be better to create several databases or just use a field of 'type' to separate the records for different applications?
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[05:47] lz: although you can use a 'type' field
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[05:48] lz: I like multi db's because you can replicate them separately
[05:48] PastorBones: lz, that's what I'm asking, which is better/faster/less resources?
[05:49] lz: speed and resources are negligible here I think unless you're creating a ludicrous amount of db's
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[05:49] lz: oh
[05:50] PastorBones: lz, na, not doing that, just trying to learn Node and new to nosql db's...so figured I'd ask before I get used to doing something the wrong way
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[05:50] lz: you need to keep in mind what you want to return though
[05:50] PastorBones: lz?
[05:50] innociv_: What should I look at to make a comet app with node.js?
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[05:50] lz: I don't think you can call map/reduce across multiple db's so keep that in mind
[05:51] PastorBones: lz, I'm writing an IRC Bot as a learning experience and separate modules need access to the database, so giving each access to their own DB through the plugin controller
[05:51] PastorBones: module as in irc bot plugins
[05:51] lz: nice
[05:51] lz: well, what will you be storing in the db's
[05:52] PastorBones: ummm, admin credentials for bot users, a quote module, seen module, etc
[05:52] jesusabdullah: PastorBones: hook.io irc and hook.io-couch, and you're done XD
[05:52] PastorBones: stuff that could be done in files, but figured I'd incorporate couch to see how it works :)
[05:52] PastorBones: jesusabdullah, too simple, I wrote my own irc.js using net
[05:53] PastorBones: I'm trying to LEARN
[05:53] jesusabdullah: Man, that sounds boring
[05:53] lz: heh
[05:53] jesusabdullah: Then learn by doing cool shit on top of an already existing framework
[05:53] jesusabdullah: >:D
[05:53] PastorBones: well yeah, but for someone with hardly any javascript experience, it's great
[05:53] PastorBones: for instance, I learned alot about javascript object notation today doing this
[05:53] PastorBones: and how to export module properties/methods
[05:53] jesusabdullah: I think the important thing is that you're doing shit, not on how low level the bindings were or something
[05:54] jesusabdullah: So, i mean, if you're enjoying it then that's great!
[05:54] jesusabdullah: I just have a hard time getting attracted to a problem unless it's really interesting
[05:54] akiva: Wow, there are so many more mail middleware than there used to be! Can anyone recommend one that is quite stable/reliable and allows for text and html format emails
[05:54] PastorBones: well, I was trying express/jade/stylus/couchdb apps, but got lost real quick from my lack of knowledge in javascript objects
[05:54] lz: stop hating man
[05:54] jesusabdullah: I'm not hatin'!
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[05:55] lz: or tone down the whiskey
[05:55] jesusabdullah: akiva: Have you looked at the sendgrid modules on npm? That's a pretty easy way to do it
[05:55] PastorBones: I needed to redo my #channel bot anyway
[05:55] jesusabdullah: whiskey? I can't drink that! I'd get sick
[05:55] akiva: jesusabdullah Well, I am using Googel SMTP, so I don't need that.
[05:55] jesusabdullah: PastorBones: We actually do use hook.io's irc hook for nodejitsu's official bot, and it's a really cool way to write thigns.
[05:56] jesusabdullah: akiva: Ah, I see.
[05:56] akiva: Thanks, though
[05:56] jesusabdullah: Yeah!
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[05:56] jesusabdullah: I'm trying to remember what I know about mailers
[05:56] PastorBones: I had fun trying to figure out how to auto-hook into my plugins
[05:56] jesusabdullah: except that we aren't using node-mailer internally anymore
[05:56] jesusabdullah: using sendgrid instead XD
[05:57] akiva: I tried node mailer, but when I used it it required mustache, which was not cool with me, and coudln't handle both html and plaintext together
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[05:58] jesusabdullah: Why's mustache bad? What happens if you just hack it out?
[05:58] yenz: ooh, sendgrid's pricing has improved quite a bit since i last looked...
[05:58] jesusabdullah: I was gonna suggest mscdex's imap module
[05:59] akiva: jesusabdullah: It's not that it's bad, but I dont' use it. It seems silly to use only due to the middleware
[05:59] jesusabdullah: akiva: sure, so why not just hack it out? Or, take the good with the excess?
[06:00] akiva: jesusabdullah library do you refer to? NodeMailer (marak) does not allow for plaintext + html formats together, nor does it handle BCC
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[06:01] Marak: akiva: node mailer doesnt require mustache
[06:01] lz: heh I just use gmail's smtp...
[06:01] Marak: akiva: if you dont like it, dont use it
[06:01] Marak: akiva: that library sucks and wont support it
[06:01] Marak: so take that
[06:01] Marak: and I wont support it*
[06:01] akiva: Marak Hiya! Which library sucks?
[06:01] Marak: node_mailer
[06:02] akiva: Isn't yours node_mailer?
[06:02] Marak: it only exists because i needed to send email in 2009
[06:02] akiva: :?
[06:02] Marak: smtp sucks
[06:02] akiva: lol
[06:02] jesusabdullah: akiva: I'm suggesting that for a small enough library you could hack out the annoying parts
[06:02] jesusabdullah: javascript's pretty readable, things are kept modular
[06:02] akiva: jesusabdullah: Right, gotcha.
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[06:03] akiva: Marak: "..using some simple JSON based Mustache replacement" from your own readme
[06:03] akiva: ?
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[06:03] Marak: akiva: yes, you can use that if you want
[06:04] lz: which one's the one that's mailer in npm
[06:04] akiva: But the main thing was that I need to be able to send a plaintext alt along with the html
[06:04] Marak: oops
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[06:05] KicStart1: jesus: When the code looks real bad minify it. 
[06:05] akiva: I wonder if this one is any good? https://github.com/eleith/emailjs
[06:05] akiva: Marak can you make a suggestion as to your pref?
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[06:34] andoriyu_: is there any way to get information about memory consuption of app inside app?
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[06:36] ishu: hi
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[06:39] lz: andoriyu_: yes
[06:39] lz: see http://snippets.dzone.com/posts/show/12069
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[06:41] andoriyu_: Thanks
[06:41] lz: np I assume you know what to do from there
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[06:42] andoriyu_: sure
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[06:46] ericmuyser: so if i have a dependency like "contextify" but its complaining about recompiling it with node-waf.. i should just kill the dependency eh?
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[06:46] ericmuyser: this is on Windows
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[06:51] bnoordhuis: ericmuyser: yes, add-ons don't yet compile on windows
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[07:00] ericmuyser: bnoordhuis: thanks
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[07:17] daleharvey: hey, working with node + couch and trying to get a really simple pass through proxy going - http://pastebin.me/188842111b3069a3aa51932b1e0f2b94
[07:18] daleharvey: that works, but none none of the request attributes get passed through, I have tried the request({proxy: url .... but that doesnt work either
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[07:35] [AD]Turbo: hi there
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[07:40] chjj: 
ACTION is finally a vim hacker.

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[07:41] dynacker: VIM HACKER
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[07:41] chjj: !
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[07:45] DrMcKay: chjj: do you have a neckbeard already?
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[07:48] chjj: DrMcKay: well i must have one if i am a vim hacker, in fact, i think i feel one coming on
[07:48] chjj: :%s/neck/beard/g
[07:49] DrMcKay: chjj: you better hurry, you're not a vim hacker until your neckbeard is longer than your leg
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[07:52] bronson: that's damned impressive to replace your neck with a beard.
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[07:57] innociv_: Will socket.io work cross domain?
[07:58] bombworm: I think wont
[07:58] innociv_: I think I found my answer.. it'll fallback to JSONP. http://markmail.org/message/o4ox4z25nmtapl7o  Websockets themselves should work cross domain on browsers that suppor them
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[07:59] `3rdEden: yes it does
[08:00] `3rdEden: also xhr polling works cross domain for browser that suppor it
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[08:31] innociv_: Am I going to have a problem if i just chmod 777'd my node folder?
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[08:34] stravid: hi, can someone take a quick look at my example module and tell me if I do it the right way?
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[08:35] ktos: Hi
[08:37] ktos: tell me please, is reactor pattern purposed for special cases like very oveloaded webservice request handling or it should be considered as general solution for dynamic websites
[08:37] tilgovi: Okay, I edited my answer to this S-O question some more. I'd appreciate any feedback. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6623683/node-js-process-out-of-memory-in-http-request-loop/7468792#7468792
[08:37] SubStack: ktos: reactor pattern?
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[08:38] ktos: SubStack: node.js is bases on it, isn't it?
[08:38] ktos: based*
[08:38] SubStack: ktos: javascript isn't a language for which classical design patterns are very appropriate
[08:39] stravid: Given this coffeescript module:Test =
[08:39] stravid:   print: ->
[08:39] stravid:     console.log("Test.print called")
[08:39] stravid: if module.exports?
[08:39] stravid:   module.exports = Test 
[08:39] stravid: else
[08:39] stravid:   @Test = Test
[08:39] ktos: SubStack: I dont mean js it self, I mean node.js as node.js
[08:39] stravid: And this require: Test = require './test'
[08:39] stravid: Test.print()
[08:39] stravid: Am I doing this right?
[08:40] SubStack: stravid: use a paste site to paste stuf
[08:40] SubStack: f
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[08:41] tilgovi: ktos: I would say that node.js is very much like reactor style
[08:42] ktos: so, maybe I will rephrase
[08:42] stravid: SubStack: https://gist.github.com/1228655
[08:42] stravid: Am I doing this right (exports / require)=
[08:42] ktos: is node.js purposed for spacial cases or as general purpose framework
[08:42] ericmuyser: can i force node-waf to static compile a lib?
[08:42] ktos: for dynamic websites
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[08:43] SubStack: ktos: who cares what node.js was designed for
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[08:43] SubStack: v8 was designed to execute javascript in browsers
[08:44] SubStack: stravid: it looks like you're trying to share code between node and the browser
[08:44] ktos: SubStack: I dont, just asking about practise
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[08:44] stravid: Yes
[08:44] ktos: SubStack: I written 0 lines in node
[08:44] ktos: I've*
[08:45] stravid: SubStack: Yeah I do, but I'm not sure if I'm doing the node part right. Like, do I use modules and require as I should
[08:46] SubStack: stravid: check out https://github.com/substack/node-browserify
[08:46] SubStack: then you can just write code the node way and it will just work in the browser
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[08:47] SubStack: ktos: people are writing all sorts of applications in node
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[08:49] stravid: SubStack: Thanks, but are lines 7 & 12 in my Gist "correct" in terms of nodejs practices? 
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[08:51] SubStack: stravid: it looks like that would work but I haven't written much coffeescript
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[08:52] stravid: SubStack: It works :-) Was just wondering if it's the correct way. Thanks for you time!
[08:52] stravid: *your
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[08:54] SubStack: stravid: with browserify you can get rid of the special cases for the browser entirely
[08:54] stravid: SubStack: Will look into that!
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[09:05] JKDD: Hello, I'm new here in node.js!
[09:07] anoop: JKDD: welcome, there are many including me :)
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[09:15] JKDD: i haven't use any js, can i handle node?
[09:15] JKDD: :)
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[09:19] innociv_: You'll have to learn js.
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[09:24] topriddy: hello mates
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[09:24] topriddy: am looking at Node.js basically because of the scalability claims, but i dont understand why it beats traditional server side apps.
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[09:31] ericmuyser: best existing ByteStream implementation in node?
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[09:39] JKDD: @innociv, Ok, i'll learn it
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[09:47] innociv_: JS is simple.  Functions, arrays, strings, numbers, objects.  Just have to make sure you know how to manipulate those arrays and such..
[09:50] sriley: topriddy: usually just the blocking style of writing traditional server side apps
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[09:50] topriddy: sriley: huh?
[09:51] tuhoojabotti: I'm back!
[09:51] sriley: make this db query and then sit around waiting till you get a response then do something with it then wait some more etc, using callbacks mean theres less time waiting for blocked threads
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[09:51] topriddy: sriley: like the node.js home page says something like a new thread created for each connections. either this is wrong or i dont understand what they sayinh
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[09:52] sriley: apache will create a thread for each connection
[09:52] ericmuyser: anybody know of a good replacement for jQuery.extend? using it for deep property merging $.extend(true, abc, xyz). https://github.com/jquery/jquery/blob/master/src/core.js#L305
[09:53] ericmuyser: tried "nodejs-clone-extend" and it just breaks my objects
[09:53] Predominant: when you require() some code, does that happen in a different context? I have a file to require()  that looks for a 'CONTROL' var, which is defined in the file which does the require, but it complains it can't find it.
[09:54] sriley: (creating a new thread for each connection will result in the server dying when there are a lot of connections on it - see the performance graphs)
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[09:56] ericmuyser: well of course. it would die either way if you dont define "lots". :P epoll is boss tho for sure
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[09:57] ericmuyser: Predominant: exports (module.exports)
[09:58] topriddy: sriley: am an intermediate java developer. not overall expert. want to understand what node.js brings that traditional doesnt already offer
[09:58] topriddy: sriley: Java servlets, a thread can handle multiple connections...I know this.
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[09:59] Predominant: ericmuyser: Is there something I can do to allow an existing JS file that I am including, that anticipates CONTROL already being defined, to work?
[10:01] ericmuyser: Predominant: define it before you include it?
[10:01] ericmuyser: xD
[10:01] Predominant: I tried doing: var CONTROL = {}; then require() , but it throws a ReferencError saying its not defined
[10:01] Twisol: because CONTROL is in a different scope than the required file, yeah
[10:02] Predominant: 
ACTION nods.

[10:02] ericmuyser: ohh, thats unfortunate. only 'global' would work i think
[10:02] Predominant: So I guess my question is, can I get it working without modifying the JS file I am requiring
[10:02] Twisol: globals aren't usually a good idea; what I've seen is to put those things in their own required file
[10:02] Twisol: and then require that whereever you need it
[10:02] Predominant: so require some setup thingy.
[10:02] Predominant: Oh, thats an interesting idea.
[10:02] Twisol: Node caches the result of running the page, I believe, so it's always the same module returned
[10:03] Twisol: Not page, file. :S
[10:03] Predominant: :)
[10:03] Twisol: Alternatively, you could export a function from your file
[10:03] Twisol: and have the caller pass your CONTROL thing in
[10:03] Twisol: and then you'd do stuff or whatever
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[10:03] Twisol: module.exports = function(CONTROL) { /* herp derp */ return the_real_exports; }
[10:05] sriley: if it can then thats better than the model that traditional apache uses of creating a thread per connection. however when you do a db query how do you handle that? do you wait for the response or do you say heres the function call this when you get the data
[10:05] Predominant: I'd have to modify the file I am requiring for that I think , and I want to avoid that.
[10:05] Twisol: sriley: the latter, basically
[10:05] topriddy: sriley: you wait for the the responce. X_X
[10:05] Twisol: ?
[10:06] ericmuyser: asynchronous handlers are lot more common these days
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[10:06] Twisol: Sorry, I just tuned into your conversation, ignore me if I'm not getting it right.
[10:06] sriley: its that waiting that will severely limit the scalability
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[10:06] topriddy: sriley: but then you may decide to create a thread to service the request, and then return a respomse. 2. Implement a queue system where you put stuff (memcached) and return a response immediately
[10:07] topriddy: sriley: i wonder what kind of response you are talking about.
[10:07] Twisol: Node's core libraries, like net and fs, poll and wait from a background thread, then push an event to Node when something happens.
[10:07] sriley: especially when it comes to for example web sockets where you have perm connections to the server usually just sitting waiting for something to happen before sending the data
[10:07] Predominant: Global works.
[10:07] Predominant: Sucks, but works.
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[10:07] ericmuyser: well if u dont have control over the library or dont want to maintain the changes
[10:08] ericmuyser: if you do, you should definitely not use globals
[10:08] topriddy: sriley: you cant definitely tell a customer (client) that his bank transactions has been completed without waiting, can you
[10:08] topriddy: ?
[10:08] Twisol: What file/library is this that expects a CONTROL object to be globally defined?
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[10:09] sriley: no so at some point youll have some kind of loop to say has whatever needs to be done been done yet
[10:10] sriley: virtually everything that makes node good for performance can be done in whatever language... its just that typically it wont be done that way, js hasnt had threads etc so developers have come to develop naturally in this performant kind of way
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[10:12] topriddy: sriley: then it boils down to basically the same thing then.
[10:13] topriddy: sriley: if i was to delve deeper into node.js. guess i'll have to be real fluent in js too?  am considering moving a sim registration real life app to a more scalable platform.
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[10:15] sriley: yes you need to know js fairly well, but learning a language is pretty simple once you know any other language
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[10:16] ericmuyser: JavaScript is a derivative of Java, so you should be fine (totally-trolling-right-now)
[10:17] sriley: the thing that makes js complicated-ish in browsers is the cross browser incompatibilites which if teh code is being executed on the server doesnt matter, so you can write modern js without worrying about ie7 nt supporting it
[10:17] Emmanuel`: ericmuyser: I puked
[10:18] Twisol: :|
[10:20] mcpherrin: Is there a canonical websockets implementation for Node.JS? I'm unfamiliar with the community and so am just poking at a few on github, none of which seem particularily developed.
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[10:21] topriddy: sriley: okay thanks.
[10:21] Pierre_N: mcpherrin: err, isn't it socket.io ?
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[10:22] mcpherrin: Pierre_N: That looks useful. Thanks.
[10:22] Pierre_N: you're welcome.
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[10:26] innociv_: I've been reading through things, watching videos, but I don't see where I should actually be saving my .js files.   I also don't see how to bind the server to a certain ip, as I have multiple ones on my box, I only see how to bind to port.
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[10:28] topriddy: sriley: so i just read something. using blocking libraries with Node.js defeats its purpose right?
[10:28] sriley: yup
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[10:29] SubStack: innociv_: usually the second argument is for the hostname
[10:30] Twisol: innociv_: You can use whatever directory structure you want, usually. All you need is to run "node foo.js", where foo.js is your main application file. From there you can require anything else, including relative paths like require("./lib/helpers.js") or whatnot
[10:31] Twisol: Personally I create a directory for my project and put my files in a lib/ in whatever hierarchy I feel like
[10:31] innociv_: But where is foo.js?  Just the directory you're currently at?
[10:31] Twisol: Yes
[10:32] innociv_: <script src="/socket.io/socket.io.js"></script>
[10:32] innociv_:  is on http://socket.io/#how-to-use  But where is socket.io.js?  I see no download for it.  Is it gotten from the npm and put somewhere in my node or local folder?
[10:32] Twisol: As far as I know, socket.io dynamically serves that one.... good question though, I'm a little confused by it too
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[10:33] innociv_: Huh. Weird. So I don't actually need that anywhere on the webserver?  I'm using lighttpd to actually server html pages and such, just going to be using node.js for real time data.
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[10:34] `3rdEden: Twisol yes it's dynamic
[10:34] `3rdEden: as socket.io claims the whole /socket.io/ path of your server
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[10:34] bombworm: socket.io-client\dist
[10:35] bombworm: socket.io-client/dist/socket.io.js
[10:35] Twisol: Good to know.
[10:35] `3rdEden: ^ could be possible but that means you have to manually check, if you server is still compatible with socket.io-client
[10:35] `3rdEden: as the shipped version in socket.io is always compatible.
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[10:52] clockwize: hi, if i'm starting a web server in node, should i open a mongo connection and start the server in the callback or should i open a connection to the database for every request (i.e. inside the webserver callback?)
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[11:06] jetienne: stagas: are you around ?
[11:07] stagas: jetienne: yeap
[11:07] jetienne: stagas: i look for a radio stream which support CORS. with http://radioplz.com maybe you know one ?
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[11:09] benperth: hi, i was wondering if someone could help me with __defineSetter__ and __defineGetters__ ?
[11:09] chjj: benperth: whats the problem?
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[11:10] stagas: jetienne: no, don't even know what that is :P
[11:10] benperth: Here is a snippet of my code: http://www.heypasteit.com/clip/00CN
[11:10] benperth: it throws a 'process.nextTick' error
[11:11] jetienne: stagas: hehe. This is a new thing to say "hey the content of this url doesnt need same-origin protection" :)
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[11:11] jetienne: stagas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-Origin_Resource_Sharing
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[11:11] benperth: chjj: am i doing something fundamentally wrong?
[11:11] mrryanjohnston: berasa: looks like you have to return a funtion
[11:11] mrryanjohnston: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Guide/Working_with_Objects
[11:12] chjj: benperth: its hard to tell without seeing all the code
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[11:12] mrryanjohnston: er
[11:12] mrryanjohnston: *
[11:12] mrryanjohnston: nevermind. 
[11:12] chjj: benperth: what does the error say?
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[11:12] benperth: node.js "process.nextTick" error
[11:12] chjj: benperth: it looks like youre calling a constructor as if it were an instantiated object
[11:12] benperth: if i console.log(this) - it shows the object with the waitingRoomCount - so i thought my code should work
[11:13] benperth: ah, it is an instantiated object
[11:13] chjj: benperth: State.init() - i think you meant to do something like `var s = new State(); s.init();`
[11:13] benperth: yeah i've got that
[11:13] benperth: just didn't put it in the code
[11:13] benperth: i have other setters/getters in there that are on basic variables (e.g. not objects) - and it all works
[11:14] clockwize: does anyone have any thoughts on my question quickly? i'm sure you all probably know the answer :) should a http request open a connection to the database each or should my app have one connection that everything uses
[11:14] benperth: it's just when i try to apply them to a specific object parameter
[11:14] benperth: sorry, hard for me to post all code as it's spread across many files with a lot of other BS around it
[11:15] chjj: benperth: youre creating a setter/getter for a property that already exists it looks like
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[11:15] chjj: benperth: you do `stateData = { waitingRoomCount: 0 }`
[11:15] benperth: chjj: ah, yeah it does already exist. is that bad to do?
[11:15] chjj: benperth: why dont you just not use a setter or getter at all? and just let the person set waitingRoomCount directly?
[11:16] chjj: benperth: that might be better if theres no other magic happening in the getter/setter
[11:16] benperth: chjj: ah, it's got to do a lot of other processing, i've just removed it for the example 
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[11:17] chjj: benperth: i see, well in that case, you might want to make it either a closured variable in the .init function
[11:17] chjj: benperth: or you can set the "real" property like this._waitingRoomCount = v;
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[11:17] chjj: and have the setter and getter correspond to this.waitingRoomCount
[11:17] benperth: chjj: alright, thanks for that - i'll have a play about. Cheers
[11:17] stagas: clockwize: one connection
[11:17] chjj: benperth: sure
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[11:18] clockwize: stagas: but what if I have hundreds of requests per second?
[11:18] chjj: clockwize: you said over http?
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[11:19] clockwize: chjj: yeah (i was being hypothetical)
[11:19] chjj: clockwize: if youre going to be grabbing data from that server constantly, theres no sense in closing and opening a new socket each time
[11:19] chjj: clockwize: you would want to keep it open
[11:19] JKDD: keep-alive?
[11:20] chjj: im really not sure, clockwize said http? are you using couch, clockwize?
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[11:20] clockwize: i'm not sure how node http server handles keep-alive requests, but lets assume they are 100 seperate users in 1 second. i'm using mongo
[11:21] chjj: okay, well then yes, you would not want to have to reconnect every time
[11:21] chjj: that would be painfully slow
[11:21] stagas: clockwize: then you need a fast db. but one connection to the db should be enough
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[11:21] clockwize: ok, thanks :)
[11:22] chjj: maybe i misread the question
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[11:22] benperth: chjj: I managed to get it, in the setters/getters i just had to set/get the true value by doing this._waitingRoomCount      - Thanks for help again.
[11:23] blup: what hosting companies would you guys recommend? mostly for nodejs projects, and a couple old php sites.
[11:23] chjj: benperth: no problem, its hard to say since i cant see the rest of the code, but you also might want to consider using a closured variable instead
[11:24] benperth: no worries, ta
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[11:25] chjj: blup: theres a lot of them, depends on your needs, if you need to host php projects, the hosts specifically tailored to node would be out of the question, you would want your own vps
[11:26] chjj: blup: i think amazon might still have that promotional for ec2 micro instances if you want something small to mess around on, amazon has a bunch of other stuff too
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[11:27] chjj: blup: then theres other things like slicehost, etc
[11:27] beevi7: does anyone know i this https://github.com/visionmedia/sass.js/tree/ sass implementation also supports scss (doesnt seem so)? or if there is another implementation which works with scss?
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[11:27] blup: chjj: i'm looking mostly for a vps... between 15-30 euros
[11:28] chjj: blup: hmm, i think slicehost and rackspace are maybe $20-30 per month depending on your plan
[11:28] blup: my service provider has 'physical damages' on my server, after 6 months, so i'd like to find something more reliable.
[11:28] blup: chjj: thanks, i'll look into it
[11:28] calvinmcgee: Hi, there. I'm new to Node.js, and I am trying to use less by installing it via npm. The install gives me no errors, and less is put in ./node_modules/less. But when I try to run less-test.js I get : "Error: require.paths is removed. Use node_modules folders, or the NODE_PATH environment variable instead.". Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
[11:29] chjj: blup: and then amazon has a whole universe of different choices too
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[11:31] blup: chjj: a bit steep for my budget though :) , and i believe to profit from micro instances you have to already own an AWS right?
[11:32] chjj: blup: depends on what you mean from profit hehe
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[11:32] calvinmcgee: Or maybe I'm running the wrong less-test.js. The less package also appears in ./.npm/less
[11:33] chjj: the ec2 micro instances are cheap and if they still have that promotional, essentially free for a year, minus the fine print
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[11:44] v_y: is there a browser side version of the crypto module? i need to share code, in particular hashign functions
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[11:45] blup: chjj: i meant they had a promo for an ec2 instance for a year, but i believe that requires you have an aws
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[11:58] dominictarr: calvinmcgee: that's not your fault. it's that less depends on a feature of node that has been removed.
[11:58] dominictarr: what node version are you on?
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[11:59] dominictarr: I think that issue is still in in 0.4.x (stable) go, back to that, and also. post an issue for less.
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[12:09] johnwards: Hi folks. I have a script that is failing on dns lookups. Anyway of getting the node process not to die when it hits the error?
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[12:09] chjj: johnwards: process.on('uncaughtException', ...)
[12:10] johnwards: node.js:134 throw e; // process.nextTick error, or 'error' event on first tick
[12:10] lz: process.on('uncaughtException',function(error){
[12:10] lz: // process error
[12:10] lz: })
[12:10] chjj: johnwards: it is not ideal though
[12:10] lz: ^^
[12:10] johnwards: just need it to stop falling on its arse during dev
[12:10] chjj: its there more as an "accidents happen" thing, rather than an actual error handling mechanism
[12:10] lz: oh
[12:11] lz: I use node-dev during dev
[12:11] lz: it's a supervisor that automatically restarts the node process
[12:11] stonebranch: hi there, I'm having some problems installing npm packages with deps using url to a github tarball. I'm using node v0.4.11 and npm 1.0.30
[12:11] lz: https://github.com/fgnass/node-dev
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[12:13] stonebranch: works fine locally but not on my no.de instance, anyone else experienced this problem? 
[12:13] johnwards: thanks lz and chjj, both options look great
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[12:14] stonebranch: Seems to be loading the package from npm registry instead of my specified url.
[12:15] lz: np… btw there was a heated debate on the mailing list on whether or not node should crash out on any unhandled error
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[12:17] lz: stonebranch: contact no.de/joyent support, they're usually very fast
[12:17] xerox: node.js rocks
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[12:19] stonebranch: lz: thanx, have been trying to get a hold of them the last couple of days on irc but no reply... I'll try the support page instead, thanx
[12:19] lz: good luck
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[12:44] xerox: > 'a boop de boop'.match('boop')
[12:44] xerox: [ 'boop', index: 2, input: 'a boop de boop' ]
[12:44] xerox: what kind of object is that, an array, with named entries??
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[12:46] lz: v8>'a boop de boop'.match('boop');
[12:46] v8bot_: lz: ["boop"]
[12:47] xerox: I ran it in node
[12:47] lz: ahh
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[12:50] lz: looks like it's just some sugar
[12:51] xerox: ah
[12:51] xerox: weird :)
[12:51] xerox: it's not a regexp object
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[13:53] marijnh: hi guys
[13:54] joshkehn: marijnh: Hi
[13:54] marijnh: I'm trying to get node.js to work on my mac so I can use less server side
[13:54] marijnh: but i keep running into this error: throw e; // process.nextTick error, or &#039;error&#039; event on first tick
[13:54] marijnh: hi joshkehn
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[13:54] joshkehn: Can you post the code in a gist?
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[13:56] marijnh: joshkehn, https://gist.github.com/7fe634afc3035ab1304c
[13:56] marijnh: the weird thing is that it is working from the cli
[13:56] joshkehn: I mean can you post the actual code you're running.
[13:56] joshkehn: um. It looks like you're trying to run HTML or a template or something.
[13:56] marijnh: that would be the less node module, i'll put it into the same gist. just a sec
[13:57] joshkehn: New gist. So it doesn't get confusing. ;)
[13:57] daleharvey: xerox: var x = ['boop'];
[13:57] daleharvey: x.index = 2;
[13:58] marijnh: the files are named
[13:58] xerox: daleharvey: say what
[13:59] xerox: daleharvey: ha!
[13:59] xerox: that is weird
[13:59] daleharvey: its an array with user defined properties (which means its gonna break in various ways)
[13:59] xerox: except mine is built by the RegExp method 'match'
[14:00] xerox: or maybe it's the String method, hm, anyway, from the standard library
[14:00] marijnh: joshkehn, I think I found it
[14:01] marijnh: I'll report back in a sec, thanks thus far
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[14:24] Dulak: Is there a way to run code prior to entering the repl?  I'm getting sick of typing the same stuff into the repl over and over
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[14:28] kkaefer: hi
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[14:28] kkaefer: is there any way to watch a directory for new/deleted/changed files?
[14:28] pyrotechnick: kkaefer: hello
[14:28] pyrotechnick: inotify
[14:28] kkaefer: well, in node
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[14:28] lz: dulak: you could try doing a require
[14:28] pyrotechnick: no
[14:28] kkaefer: also, inotify is linux only
[14:28] joshkehn: There is a watch file I think.
[14:28] kkaefer: yeah, I know
[14:28] pyrotechnick: kkaefer: you cant watch directories you have to poll
[14:28] kkaefer: but it watches a file, not a direcory
[14:29] joshkehn: Or you could do https://github.com/c4milo/node-inotify
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[14:29] pyrotechnick: not without an extension
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[14:29] joshkehn: I'm not sure if that is applicable.
[14:29] kkaefer: partially
[14:29] kkaefer: but it's linux only
[14:29] joshkehn: kkaefer: What OS are you on?
[14:29] kkaefer: os x
[14:30] kkaefer: it'd have to have fsevents support
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[14:30] Dulak: lz: yes but that won't put the functions I want into the global scope.  What I really want is to preload some functions but only for the repl.  Like pythons $PYTHONSTARTUP env var.
[14:30] Dulak: lz: I was just wondering if node had anything like that
[14:30] joshkehn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kqueue ?
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[14:31] kkaefer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FSEvents
[14:31] kmiyashiro: kkaefer: have you tried watchman?
[14:31] kkaefer: no
[14:32] kkaefer: thanks
[14:32] kkaefer: I'll have a look at it
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[14:32] progrock: joshkehn: BTW, I'm jealous of you... dont know how abdly I wanna tell teh guys here to go fuck themselve.s.. somewhat wishing I had tried for a contract postiion, instead of a full time with salary
[14:33] lz: dulak: don't think node repl has that. you could try a macro app though so you don't need to type it every time
[14:33] kmiyashiro: https://github.com/dfjones/watchman
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[14:34] joshkehn: progrock: Full time has benefits. It's all a balancing act.
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[14:35] spasquali: which version of TLS does recent stable node release support
[14:35] joshkehn: But yeah, sounds shitty.
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[14:39] spasquali: anyone know which version of TLS the latest node build supports?
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[14:41] bnoordhuis: spasquali: tls 1.0
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[14:42] spasquali: bnoordhuis: ah. thank you. seems that one has been compromised :(
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[14:43] Dulak: Yeah it was.  In 2002.
[14:43] Dulak: Only took 9 years for the rest of the world to notice.
[14:43] lz: what's so great about coffeescript?
[14:44] joshkehn: Lol
[14:44] joshkehn: lz: Same thing about JavaScript
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[14:44] joshkehn: They took something people liked / is popular (Java / Coffee) and added Script to the end of it.
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[14:44] Dulak: lz: it's ok but the more I use it the less i like it.  all the anon wrapping is giving me fits to do anything beyond the simple stuff.
[14:45] spasquali: Dulak: not exactly. A more useful attack is now available: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/19/beast_exploits_paypal_ssl/
[14:45] lz: yea kinda figured
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[14:46] spasquali: It may be useful for Node to support more secure versions of TLS
[14:47] spasquali: would probably be a selling point
[14:47] joshkehn: spasquali: May?
[14:47] spasquali: might?
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[14:47] spasquali: would?
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[14:47] joshkehn: It is
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[14:47] baudehlo: the problem is openssl support.
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[14:48] baudehlo: << The OpenSSL Project is a collaborative effort to develop a robust, commercial-grade, full-featured, and http://www.opensource.org/ toolkit implementing the http://www.netscape.com/eng/ssl3/ (SSL v2/v3) and http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/tls-charter.html (TLS v1) protocols >>
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[14:49] xumx: HI
[14:49] bnoordhuis: baudehlo: openssl 1.1.x has tls v1.1 support
[14:50] bnoordhuis: but we don't use it because almost no one has has openssl >= 1.1.0 installed
[14:50] baudehlo: yes I know.
[14:50] baudehlo: 1.0.1 is planning to get v1.2 IIRC
[14:50] stash1: bundle it as a dep like v8?
[14:50] baudehlo: but still, that's gonna take forever to get a wide user base
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[14:51] bnoordhuis: stash1: we already do (in the master branch anyway)
[14:51] stash1: aha.
[14:51] bnoordhuis: but only since quite recently
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[14:52] tobie: I there a best practice way to expose and access given modules in a package? I have a package `foo` that has a module located at foo/lib/bar.js which another package `baz` would need to access. is require('foo/lib/bar') fair game? Or is there somethinf I can do in package `foo` to make that cleaner. 
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[14:52] baudehlo: yaSSL has TLS 1.2 too, but it's GPL.
[14:53] lz: openssl is bundled with node now?
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[14:53] `3rdEden: 0.6 will lz
[14:53] bnoordhuis: baudehlo: i'm pretty sure NSS supports it too
[14:54] bnoordhuis: but i don't even want to contemplate switching
[14:54] baudehlo: No I bet.
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[14:54] lz: interesting..
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[14:54] bnoordhuis: lz: bundling openssl was a topic of some debate...
[14:55] bnoordhuis: but as a compromise we now include openssl but will build against the system openssl by default (on unices, windows doesn't have openssl installed anyway)
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[14:56] lz: ic
[14:56] baudehlo: it was? I'm guessing the core devs have somewhere private to discuss stuff like this because I don't see anything on the node-dev mailing list...
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[14:56] stash1: office space?
[14:56] lz: good movie
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[14:58] jamescarr: you know this is a silly question, and I'm sure someone will laugh...
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[14:58] jamescarr: is anyone running node on... VMS?
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[14:58] bnoordhuis: baudehlo: private == irc in this case
[14:58] baudehlo: bnoordhuis: on this channel?
[14:58] bnoordhuis: baudehlo: no, probably in #libuv
[14:58] baudehlo: ah right.
[14:59] baudehlo: Just curious, as it does seem like a lot happens off the mailing list, which I'm not used to compared to other open source projects.
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[15:00] bnoordhuis: baudehlo: it's all public, it's just that mailing lists are too slow a medium
[15:00] baudehlo: *nod*
[15:01] `3rdEden: bnoordhuis wasn't the discussion in a gh issue instead of irc?
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[15:01] bnoordhuis: that might've been the case too
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[15:01] `3rdEden: =p
[15:02] baudehlo: might be nice to get a git hook to mail node-dev on checkins/issues etc.
[15:02] `3rdEden: it was discussed, somewhere :p
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[15:02] lz: god
[15:02] lz: that would flood my inbox
[15:03] lz: please don't :)
[15:03] baudehlo: that's why baby jesus invented email filters.
[15:03] bnoordhuis: well... i wake up each day to 20 or 30 new emails...
[15:03] jamescarr: what's a good fast file based noslq db? I'm looking for a simple key/value store that is meant for a temporary local cache
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[15:04] bnoordhuis: jamescarr: re vms: i don't think it'll even compile
[15:04] baudehlo: jamescarr: there seems to be a lot of talk about globaldb on the list, if you don't mind the license.
[15:04] lz: baudehlo: did you use to be a nigerian prince by any chance ..?
[15:04] jamescarr: bnoordhuis, yeah, I doubt it would ;S
[15:04] baudehlo: lol. No, but I work in the email industry.
[15:04] jamescarr: :S
[15:04] jamescarr: baudehlo, oh!?
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[15:05] lz: nice
[15:05] jamescarr: baudehlo, maybe you can lend me a hand with my email woes
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[15:05] baudehlo: is this like "Oh you work in computers? My Windows won't print" ??
[15:05] bnoordhuis: baudehlo: now that you mention it...
[15:05] lz: jamescarr: redis?
[15:06] jamescarr: baudehlo, lol... not that bad :)
[15:06] jamescarr: http://serverfault.com/questions/313441/deliverying-externally-hosted-email-from-server-with-same-domain-name
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[15:06] jamescarr: Basically dealing with email being delivered to local mailboxes rather than an externally hosted setup only for emails with the same domain
[15:06] lz: baudehlo's wearing his "no I won't fix your computer t-shirt" today
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[15:07] baudehlo: jamescarr: no idea. Did you try rebooting it?
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[15:07] jamescarr: baudehlo, that's "reboot admin" thinking there.
[15:07] jamescarr: it goes hand in hand with magical thinking ;)
[15:08] bnoordhuis: jamescarr: configure your mta properly
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[15:08] pyrotechnick: have you tried turning it off and on again?
[15:08] jamescarr: bnoordhuis, ah
[15:08] baudehlo: yeah honestly it's dependant on a lot of things. Like how is mail getting delivered to the MTA? Via /path/to/sendmail? Via SMTP? Via IMAP?
[15:09] baudehlo: and then depends on what MTA you have.
[15:09] jamescarr: email is my kryptonite
[15:09] baudehlo: it'd be like asking your car mechanic to fix your airplane because both have engines in them.
[15:09] baudehlo: though you could just switch to Haraka, and then I could help you :)
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[15:10] jamescarr: I'm an awesome developer, I don't know shit about working with email servers
[15:10] jamescarr: but yeah, it's a postfix+dovecot setup apparently
[15:11] baudehlo: just setup Haraka and let it deliver for you :)
[15:11] jamescarr: :)
[15:11] jamescarr: I just looked at it... node.js based email server huh?
[15:11] jamescarr: nice
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[15:17] plov: are there similar alternatives to nvm?
[15:20] tbranyen: tjholowaychuk: have you looked at the new syntax stuff approved for es6?
[15:20] tjholowaychuk: tbranyen hmm i dont think so
[15:20] tbranyen: what the hell is going on
[15:20] tbranyen: http://taliabale.tumblr.com/post/10432503399/the-future-of-javascript-is-here-approved-for
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[15:21] tbranyen: what the hell is up with destructuring
[15:21] tjholowaychuk: i like let
[15:21] tbranyen: okay but there are like 10 things on that page
[15:21] tbranyen: thats 1
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[15:21] tjholowaychuk: some of that stuff is ok, proxies are really lame, weak maps yay, defaults meh
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[15:22] tjholowaychuk: those modules are kinda lame too
[15:22] tjholowaychuk: i dont know the details on those, seems kinda useless
[15:22] tbranyen: yeah no idea how to consume them either
[15:22] tbranyen: the syntax is wonky
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[15:24] Nohryb: .
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[15:26] bnoordhuis: tbranyen: so js is becoming more like python and lisp
[15:27] bnoordhuis: some who would say that is not a wholly bad thing
[15:27] bnoordhuis: -who
[15:27] tbranyen: i just think the wrong people weighed in on new features
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[15:28] tbranyen: the people who don't like javascript sought to change it, while the people who like her for who she is were stuck in the shadows
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[15:32] softdrink: until language features are available in every browser i have to support, those features may as well not exist.
[15:32] tjholowaychuk: brendan will still use them. narcissus is great, it doesnt run on anything
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[15:35] lz: anyone interested in an opencv module?
[15:35] DrMcKay: lz: yes yes!
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[15:35] CIA-54: node: 03Fedor Indutny 07master * rb20c98e 10/ lib/_debugger.js : fix 'null' mirroring (+6 more commits...) - http://git.io/4bTpiA
[15:35] bnoordhuis: do people still use ape? https://github.com/APE-Project/ <- that ape
[15:35] bnoordhuis: i guess node kinda ate its lunch
[15:36] lz: and would like to/has skills to help collab on making one :)
[15:36] lz: drmckay: any experience?
[15:36] DrMcKay: lz: I can try to help :)
[15:36] baudehlo: tbranyen: Certainly out of those, "let" and default values would be nice. 
[15:37] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: I'm seeing it for the very first time, but I think it's sad
[15:37] lz: bnoordhuis: more like nowjs
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[15:37] tbranyen: baudehlo: agreed with default values
[15:38] tbranyen: i like that
[15:38] nuba: bombworm: i'd say socket.io or juggernaut ate its lunch
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[15:38] nuba: oops, bnoordhuis ^
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[15:38] bnoordhuis: right, good point - node is only the foundation, of course
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[15:39] baudehlo: tbranyen: and iterators are nice for async coding.
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[15:41] kei_: hi all
[15:42] lz: hey
[15:42] joshkehn: kei_: Hi
[15:42] kei_: is this the correct place to ask questions on express.js? :)
[15:42] tjholowaychuk: kei_ #express
[15:42] kei_: thanks!
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[16:03] rurufufuss: is there a good guide on how to use jade with express?
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[16:05] xerox: rurufufuss: you create your express app, by default it uses jade
[16:05] xerox: what do you need exactly?
[16:05] lz: well
[16:06] lz: by default you can use any supported template
[16:06] lz: the guide on http://expressjs.com/ aint that bad imo
[16:06] rurufufuss: was wondering how to put head stuff on things other than layout.jade, and have it appear on layout.jade
[16:07] lz: see view partials
[16:07] rurufufuss: whoops, that was worded derpedly
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[16:08] rurufufuss: reworded, I'm trying to put a <script> to appear on openidlogin.jade, but if I do body!= body on layout.jade, it seems to just paste the whole html in
[16:08] rurufufuss: and I just found out that openidlogin.jade should be for body stuff only
[16:08] rurufufuss: where do you put the stuff for the <head> part then?
[16:08] tjholowaychuk: rurufufuss https://github.com/visionmedia/express/blob/master/examples/extending-templates/app.js#L26
[16:08] tjholowaychuk: you can do stuff like that for now
[16:09] tjholowaychuk: the next release of jade has inheritance support etc
[16:09] tjholowaychuk: but this is another way you can do similar things
[16:09] rurufufuss: I see, when is the next release of jade going to be?
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[16:09] tjholowaychuk: hopefully soon, just been really busy lately
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[16:10] rurufufuss: are you the jade guy?
[16:10] tjholowaychuk: yeah
[16:10] tjholowaychuk: it's 99% ready to go
[16:10] rurufufuss: well, thanks for the fine template :)
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[16:10] tjholowaychuk: just a few bugs
[16:10] epsas: Is there anyone here going to rubyconf next week?
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[16:17] Venom_X: tjholowaychuk, is there a way to make the staticProvider in express automatically send index.html when responding to a directory request?
[16:17] tjholowaychuk: Venom_X it does that already
[16:17] tjholowaychuk: but it's not called staticProvider anymore
[16:17] Venom_X: express.static, sorry
[16:18] Venom_X: it doesn't seem to be working for me. Is that new?
[16:18] Venom_X: I'm on express@2.4.6
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[16:21] Venom_X: tjholowaychuk, ^
[16:21] tjholowaychuk: should be fine
[16:21] Venom_X: hmm...http://xeekr.com/~pjacobs/
[16:21] Venom_X: vs. http://xeekr.com/~pjacobs/index.html
[16:22] tjholowaychuk: might want to check stderr and see what that error is
[16:23] tjholowaychuk: permission issue perhaps
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[16:23] c4milo: tjholowaychuk: TJ 
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[16:23] c4milo: tjholowaychuk: what's the difference between util.pause and util.resume in connect vs req.pause and req.resume ? 
[16:24] c4milo: in nodejs api 
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[16:24] Venom_X: tjholowaychuk, all I see in the log is a 500 from that response: [Tue, 20 Sep 2011 16:22:08 GMT] "GET /~pjacobs/ HTTP/1.1" 500 - "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/535.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/14.0.835.163 Safari/535.1"
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[16:25] Venom_X: tjholowaychuk, am I missing something? https://github.com/phillyqueso/blog/blob/master/blogServer.js
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[16:31] gotit: Hello.
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[16:31] joshkehn: gotit: Hi
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[16:32] gotit: How can i get the hostname? I do url.parse( request.url ), but obviously request.url does not contain the protocol, hostname, etc...
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[16:32] gotit: Only the part after the TLD.
[16:33] TheJH: gotit, normally, there's a "host" header
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[16:33] TheJH: gotit, the client usually doesn't send the hostname as part of the URL
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[16:34] gotit: TheJH, really? Wow.
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[16:34] TheJH: gotit, first line: "GET /index.html HTTP/1.1", second line: "Host: www.example.org"
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[16:35] gotit: TheJH what if my app wants to power multiple sites transparently, i mean they are redirected to the same server and i want to distinguish based on hostname
[16:36] gotit: TheJH what to do then?
[16:36] gotit: On some browsers this method will break?
[16:36] Venom_X: tjholowaychuk, I move around permissions/privs, and still get an internal error. No stderr that indicates anything of interest.
[16:36] TheJH: gotit, no, today all browsers send a "Host" header
[16:36] blup: has anyone here tried batman.js yet?
[16:36] tjholowaychuk: Venom_X hmm :s something is going on there, you shouldn't be getting a 500
[16:37] gotit: TheJH sweet. How can i access it then? request.header.host?
[16:37] TheJH: gotit, I guess so
[16:38] gotit: TheJH thanks
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[16:43] EyePulp: probably not my brightest question, but I'm using a cron module for node, and it runs a function at specified intervals (cron, duh).  My question is how would I bundle up a context or arguments for the function it's going to run if I want to programmatically create new cron entries?  This is probably a general OOP question…  https://github.com/ncb000gt/node-cron shows the basic usage.
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[16:44] EyePulp: I want their to be specific data available for the various different functions.
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[16:44] Venom_X: tjholowaychuk, I don't know what else to do. Could you take a look? the code is here: github.com/phillyqueso/blog
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[16:44] tjholowaychuk: Venom_X no time right now sorry, otherwise i would
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[16:51] DrMcKay: isaacs: how far is node-tar from usable state?
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[16:55] vipaca: Stream emits a chuck on data, and I'm looking to determine if that chunk represents entire message based on chuck length if not I want to read it later once more of the message has arrived. Is there data type in node that makes building up buffers easy?
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[17:04] TheJH: vipaca, either collect them in an array or concat them
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[17:05] vipaca: TheJH I'm going to write an abstraction similar to the one I deal with in Grizzly should be worth while.
[17:05] TheJH: vipaca, I think there are some modules on npm for rechunking data (e.g. emit an event per completed line), but I don't think there are length-based ones
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[17:06] vipaca: TheJH My end is more complicated as I'm just trying read a fixed length preamble of the message that contains the actual message length
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[17:08] vipaca: vipaca the only thing I'm a little worried about are the globals I'm using to store the length across data events
[17:08] TheJH: vipaca, so you first have to wait for a complete preamble, then you have to get the actual length from it and then you wait for the rest of the message to be complete?
[17:08] vipaca: 
ACTION facepalm

[17:08] TheJH: vipaca, uh, you shouldn't need globals for that
[17:08] rurufufuss: I'm getting "cannot POST /blah" on express -- is there something obvious I'm missing?
[17:09] TheJH: vipaca, but you might be interested in a module I wrote (for pseudo-global stuff, but better): https://github.com/thejh/node-context/blob/master/test.js
[17:09] tjholowaychuk: rurufufuss nothing is handling POST /blah
[17:09] halcyon918: rurufufuss: sounds like your app.post isn't setup
[17:09] rurufufuss: yeah, whoops, I had app.get instead
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[17:10] vipaca: TheJH I don't think I'll need that, but I meant more like using var within scope freaks me out because I don't know the rules
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[17:11] Venom_X: tjholowaychuk, I see what's going on. A route is catching. How can I distinguish between /:param vs /staticdir/ ? Is there something I can do in the route, to tell it to disregard the route, and continue to the static?
[17:11] TheJH: vipaca, you don't know the scoping rules?
[17:11] tjholowaychuk: Venom_X or you can move static() up
[17:11] tjholowaychuk: above app.router
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[17:11] vipaca: TheJH no I don't think so
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[17:12] vipaca: without var then its a local, but with var you can use it inside inner scopes?
[17:12] Venom_X: tjholowaychuk, AH! OK. I'll try that
[17:12] TheJH: vipaca, it's relatively simple - "var" declares a variable in the current scope, even above it. this also shadows variables of the same name in the scopes above
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[17:13] vipaca: TheJH so var creates a global?
[17:13] TheJH: vipaca, "foo = 1" goes up the scopes until it hits one that has a "foo" variable or the global scope
[17:13] TheJH: vipaca, no, without var, you get a global
[17:14] vipaca: TheJH o i c
[17:14] netlemur:  hi guys
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[17:14] TheJH: vipaca, that's basically everything you have to know, I think
[17:14] netlemur: for a node setup on a server. would you recommend something likes this? http://wiki.nginx.org/LoadBalanceExample (or is using nginx for node a bad thing?)
[17:14] vipaca: so if I several different context how can I be sure I'm not creating a collision
[17:15] TheJH: vipaca, huh? how could a collision occur?
[17:15] vipaca: I have one server with many connections and I'm trying to read data from these connection on event how do I maintian sanity?
[17:15] TheJH: vipaca, when you define a variable in a scope and the scope above it, the one in the upper scope just doesn't matter in the inner one, it gets ignored
[17:15] TheJH: vipaca, there's a new instance of the scope per function call
[17:16] TheJH: vipaca, each time you call a function, a new scope gets created
[17:16] TheJH: (to the channel: am I explaining this right?)
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[17:16] TheJH: or is my terminology wrong?
[17:16] vipaca: TheJH that's what I'm hoping for but I get weirded out by the fact that var can potentially pollute other scopes
[17:17] TheJH: vipaca, it can't
[17:17] vipaca: Atleast inward
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[17:18] TheJH: vipaca, the variables from the outer scope get ignored in the inner one if they're defined there, too
[17:18] vipaca: So what your saying is for the example of on data for stream if I declare var len this will be reusable across data events, but uniquq across connections?
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[17:19] TheJH: vipaca, if you put the "var" in the function that handles a new stream, correct. if you put it in the data handler, it's not even reusable across data events
[17:20] TheJH: vipaca, (assuming that your data handler is in the function that handles a new stream)
[17:20] EyePulp: so if I wanted to add an arbitrary property/data to an anonymous function, and then access that data when the function is run at a later time, how can I do that?  console.log(this)  shows the data is attached, but this.data doesn't get me the data.
[17:21] vipaca: TheJH so here's the gotcha I'm using  tls which apparently doesnt have an connect event emitted so it has to be declared directly in createServer method
[17:21] TheJH: EyePulp, "arguments.callee.data"?
[17:21] jesusabdullah: EyePulp: What are you trying to do? Maybe a gist would help?
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[17:21] jesusabdullah: I always forget about .callee
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[17:22] krisbulman: I'm getting "Error: ENOTFOUND, Domain name not found" when running my server.js, are there common debugging steps somewhere for this? 
[17:23] TheJH: vipaca, where's the problem? can't you attach the data listener inside that createServer argument anonymous function?
[17:23] TheJH: krisbulman, could you gist your code?
[17:23] EyePulp: TheJH:  arguments.callee.data did it - very cool.
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[17:23] TheJH: EyePulp, actually, I think it's ugly as hell :D
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[17:23] vipaca: TheJH I'm not sure there is a problem I just need to make some progress and see how it goes
[17:23] vipaca: I may be back though
[17:24] TheJH: EyePulp, do you have some other way to reference the function than arguments.callee?
[17:24] vipaca: thanks for the help
[17:24] EyePulp: TheJH: I'm not sure of a better way to embed the info
[17:24] TheJH: EyePulp, could you give me some context?
[17:24] EyePulp: TheJH: It's an anonymous function being passed to another constructor as an argument.
[17:24] krisbulman: TheJH: will this do? http://drupalcode.org/project/nodejs.git/blob_plain/refs/heads/7.x-1.x:/server.js
[17:25] DrMcKay: isaacs: ping?
[17:25] TheJH: krisbulman, "Error: Parse Error" :D
[17:25] EyePulp: TheJH: I can bore you with the details if it's of interest… =)
[17:25] isaacs: DrMcKay: firefighting
[17:25] TheJH: EyePulp, sure :)
[17:25] TheJH: huh? fire drill?
[17:26] DrMcKay: npm is on fire!
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[17:26] DrMcKay: now, everyone just step back, we'll figure it out
[17:26] TheJH: "Error: forbidden user: thejh not authorized to modify cradle: cradle" :(
[17:27] DrMcKay: TheJH: npm star?
[17:27] TheJH: DrMcKay, yup :(
[17:27] krisbulman: TheJS: oops https://gist.github.com/6ef74977423998c8061c
[17:27] TheJH: krisbulman, TheJH :D
[17:27] DrMcKay: (also, I *will* write those docs for cradle)
[17:27] krisbulman: HAH, man
[17:27] krisbulman: long day
[17:27] krisbulman: sorry 
[17:28] TheJH: krisbulman, can you show me the source code? that stack trace is nearly useless
[17:28] EyePulp: TheJH: I'm using node-cron (https://github.com/ncb000gt/node-cron) to schedule events.  The events are defined in a DB, and loaded upon initialization of my app.  node-cron needs a function passed to it to run, and my events (which are just functions) need to have some unique data tied to them each time they run.  So I needed a way to pass an anonymous function to the Cron constructor that could still have some data tied to it.
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[17:29] EyePulp: and have the function access that data when it runs on its schedule.
[17:29] TooTallNate: ryah: ping
[17:29] TheJH: EyePulp, advertisement time! how does this look? https://github.com/thejh/node-context/blob/master/test.js
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[17:30] TheJH: TooTallNate, aparently, there's a fire drill at joyent or so
[17:30] TheJH: TooTallNate, <isaacs> DrMcKay: firefighting
[17:30] isaacs[away]: not a drill
[17:30] isaacs[away]: no.de fire
[17:30] isaacs[away]: not a physical fire
[17:30] krisbulman: TheJH: http://drupalcode.org/project/nodejs.git/tree/refs/heads/7.x-1.x here is the source tree
[17:30] TooTallNate: lol
[17:30] isaacs[away]: just software messup
[17:30] TooTallNate: must be why i can't ssh into my box!
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[17:30] TheJH: :D
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[17:31] TooTallNate: can anyone explain how the indexing accessors work on FastBuffers?
[17:31] krisbulman: TheJH: it's a Drupal connector to node.js, I've opened an issue in the drupal queue if it turns out it's not just a node.js config or version prob
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[17:32] EyePulp: TheJH: it looks… like your decorating the function with a context?
[17:32] TooTallNate: nvm I found it :)
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[17:33] Murvin: hi. should I get a new session when the browser close?  
[17:33] daleharvey: hey, getting a failure on the example code at node-http-proxy 
[17:33] daleharvey: http://pastebin.me/188842111b3069a3aa51932b1e167359
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[17:34] Murvin: let say if I go to the site.. and get a session.  then after browsinga  while.. i close the broswer.  and then open to the page again, I should get a new session, right?
[17:35] TheJH: krisbulman, what is "backendSettings.backend.host" in your config? does that host exist?
[17:35] jesusabdullah: daleharvey: You should ping AvianFlu in a bit, I bet he can help you
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[17:36] TheJH: EyePulp, something like that, yes :)
[17:36] daleharvey: cheers will do
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[17:37] DrMcKay: lol, I just got asked what this "nodejs-rewrite" branch means
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[17:38] DrMcKay: I hoped he didn't get to point of actually understanding branches
[17:38] DrMcKay: I could name it feature-831
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[17:41] Murvin: how come my session cookie do not expire after I close the browser?
[17:41] DrMcKay: Murvin: they shouldn't?
[17:41] DrMcKay: Murvin: cookie has some expiration time
[17:41] Murvin: or they should.
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[17:42] DrMcKay: Murvin: if it doesn't get exceeded, it shouldn't be deleted
[17:42] Murvin: i know there is expiration time.
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[17:43] Murvin: No.  the definition is: A session cookie only lasts for theduration of users using the website. A web broswer normally deletes session cookies when it quits.
[17:43] krisbulman: TheJH: I think that pointed me to the problem, that should be specified in a config 
[17:43] daleharvey: Murvin: which browser? session cookies usually hang around when you close tabs, but go when you kill the browser
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[17:43] Murvin: the problem is..
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[17:44] DrMcKay: Murvin: so provide no expiration time
[17:44] Murvin: even I kill the browser,  when I open the browser (e.g. FX) again, it still there.
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[17:45] Murvin: so, if I set in express.session,   the maxAge be 0?
[17:45] Murvin: or -1?
[17:45] ismell: dumb question
[17:46] ismell: is there some kinda bash command line to swap the endianess of a file ?
[17:46] ismell: I have a file with ARGBARGB and I need BGRABGRA
[17:46] ismell: so every 4 bytes get reversed
[17:46] tjholowaychuk: Murvin try { cookie: { expires: false }}
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[17:47] Murvin: oh..
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[17:47] Murvin: thanks..   
[17:47] DrMcKay: tjholowaychuk: how do I use everyauth with express? can I just app.use it?
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[17:48] tjholowaychuk: i think so
[17:48] tjholowaychuk: haven't tried it
[17:48] DrMcKay: tjholowaychuk: it's a connect middleware
[17:48] DrMcKay: tjholowaychuk: so, it just gets passed to connect?
[17:48] tjholowaychuk: i'd imagine so
[17:48] daleharvey: tjholowaychuk: just the person :D 
[17:48] DrMcKay: tjholowaychuk: thank you :)
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[17:48] daleharvey: having a problem with the example code on node-http-proxy - http://pastebin.me/188842111b3069a3aa51932b1e167359
[17:49] lz: ismell: http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/7908799/xns/htonl.html ?
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[17:50] Murvin: it works now.. missing the expire.. no wonder it behave so strange..
[17:51] ryah: TooTallNate: pong
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[17:54] pgherveou: hrllo guys I want to perform a bunch of async data and trigger an op when they are all done is there something like jquery $.when in node ? what package do u advice ?
[17:54] joshkehn: async.js
[17:54] joshkehn: https://github.com/caolan/async
[17:54] tjholowaychuk: you dont need that
[17:54] tjholowaychuk: :
[17:55] tjholowaychuk: p
[17:55] joshkehn: You don't need anything. ;)
[17:55] tjholowaychuk: haha
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[17:55] tjholowaychuk: just bugging
[17:55] joshkehn: pgherveou: Can you give an example of what you're trying to do?
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[17:56] lz: whoa
[17:56] lz: how did I not hear about async.js
[17:56] joshkehn: lz: It's a secret.
[17:56] joshkehn: Shhhhh
[17:56] DrMcKay: lz: like that: you                        async.js
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[17:57] lz: :o ooooh ok i promise not to tell anyone else
[17:57] Murvin: further about the session. if I want the session cookie expire when I close the browser, but also want the session expire if it is idle on the page for 2 hours.   What should I set?  I try this {expires:false, maxAge:60*60*2 }  
[17:57] Astro: hi
[17:57] pgherveou: joshkehn:  I am bootstraping some data in mongo with mongoose, each call to model.save is async I would like to launch some op when everything is inserted
[17:57] DrMcKay: AvianFlu: push it!
[17:57] joshkehn: Astro: Hi
[17:57] Murvin: but then maxAge overrule "expires" settings
[17:57] Astro: does anyone know where I can submit talks to reject.js in berlin?
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[17:58] Murvin: and it will not expire when I close browser
[17:58] DrMcKay: now it sounded awkward.
[17:58] joshkehn: pgherveou: You could use async.js for that.
[17:58] joshkehn: But you could also just keep a counter of how many you were suppose to process / how many were processed.
[17:58] joshkehn: Async.js is generically that.
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[17:59] pgherveou: ok thks I will give it a look
[17:59] tjholowaychuk: Murvin maxAge is just another way to define expires
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[18:00] Murvin: so, only one way or the other. hmmm  guess i have to have another cookie to control the 2 hrs expiration.
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[18:03] tjholowaychuk: Murvin yeah we almost need { maxAge: n, { cookie: { expires: false }}} or whatever and .maxAge || .cookie.maxAge for the store
[18:03] tjholowaychuk: cant remember if i have that implemented, i dont think so
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[18:04] Murvin: i don't think so.. 
[18:04] Murvin: i checked the connect-session code whole night.
[18:04] Murvin: lol
[18:05] Murvin: and express
[18:05] Murvin: and connect-mongo   lol
[18:05] tjholowaychuk: does mongo even support expiration? or is it just hacked into connect-mongo
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[18:05] Murvin: i think this is a good idea to have both maxAge and expires.    
[18:05] tjholowaychuk: well we need a different prop for the store
[18:05] Murvin: mongo does not.   redis does
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[18:06] tjholowaychuk: yeah i know redis does
[18:06] tjholowaychuk: maxAge: oneDay == expires: new Date + oneDay basically
[18:06] TooTallNate: ryah: is was trying to figure out how the index accessors worked on fast buffers, but I figured it out
[18:06] tjholowaychuk: it's just a convenience thing
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[18:08] Murvin: tj, yeah..     
[18:11] DrMcKay: yay! got a go on rewriting it to node! :D
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[18:11] DrMcKay: tjholowaychuk: now just tell me that I have to use express.
[18:11] tjholowaychuk: huh
[18:11] DrMcKay: tjholowaychuk: seriously, do it
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[18:11] joshkehn: DrMcKay: Use it!
[18:12] DrMcKay: joshkehn: thank you :)
[18:12] joshkehn: 
ACTION was sockpuppeted by tjholowaychuk

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[18:18] c4milo: tjholowaychuk: hey, how you doing? 
[18:18] tjholowaychuk: not too bad
[18:18] tjholowaychuk: pretty busy you?
[18:18] c4milo: tjholowaychuk: likewise 
[18:19] c4milo: tjholowaychuk: https://github.com/c4milo/superagent/blob/0.1.1/lib/node.js#L15 <— I'm getting cannot find module 'qs' in nodejs 0.4.10  
[18:19] Murvin: tmr... finally... product launch.. for my node.js project. :)
[18:19] c4milo: tjholowaychuk: I think it's require('querystring') instead 
[18:20] tjholowaychuk: c4milo ah nope, there is a "qs" mod, maybe i dont have it as a dep yet
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[18:20] c4milo: tjholowaychuk: ohh I see 
[18:20] tjholowaychuk: the node part isnt done yet since i dont have the rest suite running in the browser/node
[18:20] tjholowaychuk: i want to finish that first
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[18:22] mjijackson: does anyone know how to get rid of the npm warning "npm WARN Sending authorization over insecure channel."
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[18:22] mjijackson: how do i send npm authorization over a "secure" channel?
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[18:23] anthonymorrisjoh: Hey guys, quick question - and I apologize if this is the wrong place to ask: does anyone have any request/second numbers for an express.js+basic mysql lookup? i am getting ~2500 r/s without any mysql query and ~500 r/s with mysql (and increasing/decreasing the pool does not seem to have any impact on that)
[18:23] TheJH: mjijackson, update npm
[18:23] TheJH: mjijackson, what's your npm vrsion?
[18:24] mjijackson: TheJH: 1.0.25
[18:24] joshkehn: Old...
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[18:24] anthonymorrisjoh: does that sound about right, or am I messing up the mysql part somehow? 
[18:24] TheJH: mjijackson, try "npm update -g npm" (if it doesn't work, try with sudo again)
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[18:25] mjijackson: whoa, npm updating itself.
[18:25] mjijackson: how meta.
[18:25] mjijackson: TheJH: thanks. will give that a try!
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[18:30] c4milo: tjholowaychuk: https://github.com/visionmedia/superagent/pull/13 <— any plan to merge that? 
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[18:31] nibblebot: what does this mean: (libev) port_associate: Bad file number
[18:32] bnoordhuis: nibblebot: sunos?
[18:32] nibblebot: yes
[18:32] tjholowaychuk: c4milo it's not a dev dep
[18:32] tjholowaychuk: the stuff in npm is the older superagent
[18:32] bnoordhuis: nibblebot: when/where is it happening?
[18:32] tjholowaychuk: before it was a client-side li as well
[18:32] tjholowaychuk: lib*
[18:32] ryah: TooTallNate: cool
[18:33] nibblebot: bnoordhuis: i have cluster managing several workers, when i get an uncaught exception that brings down a worker, it tries to spawn a new one and it will throw that error early in the bootstrap process along with: Error: ENOTSOCK, Socket operation on non-socket
[18:34] c4milo: tjholowaychuk: better?  https://github.com/visionmedia/superagent/pull/21
[18:34] nibblebot: it's been difficult to tease more context from this error
[18:34] bnoordhuis: nibblebot: it probably tries to open a unix socket (and fails)
[18:34] tjholowaychuk: c4milo yup :)
[18:35] nibblebot: how did you know it was sunos?
[18:35] bnoordhuis: nibblebot: port_associate (event ports) is a sunos syscall
[18:35] c4milo: tjholowaychuk: sorry for bothering with this, do you mind to publish a new version in npm? I'm trying to use superagent in my tests :$ 
[18:36] tjholowaychuk: c4milo it's not done :( lol
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[18:36] tjholowaychuk: you should be able to add the git repo as a dep with npm ( i think )
[18:36] tjholowaychuk: it works with $ npm install repo
[18:36] nibblebot: bnoordhuis, tjholowaychuk: sounds like it might be a problem with cluster opening sockets for IPC master->child?
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[18:37] arpunk: c4milo: or clone, and npm link it :)
[18:37] cronopio: Hello, im trying to do a POST request using request from mikeal, how do i enter the body in options??
[18:37] mikeal: do you want it encoded?
[18:37] c4milo: tjholowaychuk: arpunk: right! I forgot npm has new goodies 
[18:37] c4milo: tjholowaychuk: thanks man 
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[18:38] bnoordhuis: nibblebot: if all else fails, run it through `truss` and see what's passed to port_associate (probably fd=-1)
[18:39] cronopio: mikeal: you catch me, I only want send a few fields using POST
[18:40] tjholowaychuk: nibblebot i ran into that on our server once but i haven't had any time to debug
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[18:40] nibblebot: tjholowaychuk: what OS?
[18:41] cronopio: mikeal: its seems the server dont need encoded, its seemd the server understand key-values
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[18:42] cronopio: mikeal: oh I see, i will try encoding using querystring
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[18:42] micheil: tjholowaychuk: btw, this is kinda broken: https://github.com/visionmedia/superagent/blob/master/superagent.js#L128
[18:43] micheil: why not just use a typeof check?
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[18:44] c4milo: tjholowaychuk: so superagent isn't ready to be used? what's missing? 
[18:44] tjholowaychuk: micheil i forget which browser it is (safari i think) gives you "function" for something retarded
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[18:44] tjholowaychuk: may not be necessary
[18:44] micheil: >_>
[18:44] DrMcKay: I seriously wonder why people care
[18:45] DrMcKay: I mean, your browser is mad? gtfo.
[18:45] micheil: tjholowaychuk: that function you have is more so a IsCallable()
[18:45] micheil: that's not the real world unfortunately.
[18:45] tjholowaychuk: sure
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[18:46] nibblebot: tjholowaychuk: ya'll on sunos?
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[18:47] cronopio: mikeal: thanks for your work in request. I just found the json param xD
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[18:49] CIA-54: libuv: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * rc1374ba 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Add uv_is_tty() - http://git.io/wc8NFA
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[18:50] tjholowaychuk: c4milo i have a replacement for expresso that runs in the browser in the works, so i can make sure the api is consistent but it should be working pretty well with node 0.4.x anyway
[18:50] tjholowaychuk: i just haven't released any of the new stuff to npm
[18:50] DrMcKay: how the hell do I pass some template vars to mognoose auth login template?
[18:51] c4milo: tjholowaychuk: looking forward to that then :)
[18:51] micheil: tjholowaychuk: anthor browser JS testing framework?
[18:52] tjholowaychuk: i'd like to expand the multi-part support a bit too
[18:52] micheil: *another
[18:52] tjholowaychuk: micheil yeah, one that doesn't suck this time lol
[18:52] tjholowaychuk: vows/expresso are such hacks
[18:52] micheil: okay, any previews?
[18:52] micheil: 
ACTION is working on one as well, called cognac.

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[18:52] c4milo: tjholowaychuk: I fully agree 
[18:52] c4milo: testing frameworks in nodejs sucks 
[18:52] DrMcKay: nodeunit <3
[18:52] tjholowaychuk: yeah they all bring something nice to the table
[18:52] micheil: oh, wait. miss read.
[18:53] micheil: this is a testing framework for node.js that has a browser based result viewer, right?
[18:53] tjholowaychuk: no
[18:53] micheil: vs a testing framework for browser based js
[18:53] jesusabdullah: what is this?
[18:53] context: wow. what
[18:53] jesusabdullah: 
ACTION knows some things about some testing frameworks

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[18:54] c4milo: I would like a testing framework that works for both client and server and that can handle properly async behaviors 
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[18:54] DrMcKay: c4milo: like nodeunit?
[18:54] micheil: c4milo: I'm working on something like that.
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[18:54] joshkehn: What's wrong with vows?
[18:54] c4milo: DrMcKay: I like more BDD terminology 
[18:54] sridatta: quick question: when I do `npm ls`, some packages are marked as "invalid". what does this mean?
[18:54] jhurliman: the obvious solution here is to just not test your code ;)
[18:54] jhurliman: 
ACTION runs

[18:55] joshkehn: c4milo: Can you explain more about BDD terminology?
[18:55] tjholowaychuk: c4milo this one has pluggable "interfaces" so you can have tdd style, bdd style, exports like expresso etc
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[18:55] joshkehn: 
ACTION be back in 15

[18:55] micheil: c4milo: syntax for mine is like: https://github.com/pusher/pusher-js/blob/master/test/cognac-units/connection.js#L67-78
[18:55] EyePulp: Bowel-driven-design?
[18:55] c4milo: DrMcKay: it encorage you to test every single function and that doesn't make sense 
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[18:56] c4milo: micheil: is runner a interface? 
[18:56] c4milo: an* 
[18:56] micheil: uhh, sorta.
[18:56] micheil: it's hard to describe it for now
[18:56] tjholowaychuk: what we really need is a test framework framework, these things are all just little variations of each other
[18:56] c4milo: micheil: looks good but it's weird to see those functions tied to a runner 
[18:56] micheil: essentially it'll be an event emitter that'll emit out events relating to your tests
[18:57] tjholowaychuk: c4milo i'll add you to the repo
[18:57] DrMcKay: c4milo: well, you could always do some magic in setUp. but yeah, it does
[18:57] micheil: c4milo: runner also stores the test cases that are added
[18:57] c4milo: micheil: ah! that's sounds good 
[18:57] micheil: tjholowaychuk: could I have an early look?
[18:57] tjholowaychuk: micheil yeah sure one sec
[18:58] c4milo: tjholowaychuk: what repo? 
[18:58] micheil: cognac already works, but it's not really well written at the moment, and is quite hard to setup
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[18:58] tjholowaychuk: micheil what's your GH username again?
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[18:58] micheil: miksago
[18:58] tjholowaychuk: nvm
[18:58] tjholowaychuk: got it
[18:58] c4milo: micheil: I was working in another framework but I put it off hahah, it's all async and uses messages to send things to reporters 
[18:58] halcyon918: whiskey works great too... solves a lot of my problems (sorry, I couldn't help myself)
[18:59] tjholowaychuk: haven't had as much time as i'd like but i think we can abstract most of these features away into a single framework
[18:59] micheil: c4milo: that's pretty much the idea of cognac, cognac is actually a fork of the code from node-async-testing
[18:59] tjholowaychuk: there's not really any reason that we should have 15+ test frameworks
[18:59] c4milo: ahaha
[18:59] tbranyen: yes there is
[18:59] tbranyen: to test the 15+ template engines
[18:59] c4milo: tjholowaychuk: anarchy !! 
[18:59] tjholowaychuk: tbranyen aha!
[18:59] tjholowaychuk: hell yes
[18:59] micheil: my only real requirement was for the testing to be asynchronous (ie, every test case have a finish())
[19:00] micheil: and for every test function to be tightly bound to test cases
[19:00] c4milo: micheil: yeah, that was my need too 
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[19:00] tjholowaychuk: micheil yeah, i want to have the typical explicit done() stuff and implicit via expect(n)
[19:00] mikeal: cronopio: there is also an option that you can send to request that will encode the body and set the header properly
[19:00] micheil: so I wrote cognac for pusher to use
[19:00] micheil: tjholowaychuk: yeah, but all that should be tightly bound
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[19:00] micheil: so like test.done() vs done()
[19:00] tjholowaychuk: yeah
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[19:01] micheil: that was the gotcha pusher had with QUnit
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[19:01] mikeal: nm, we ripped that out cause it conflicted
[19:01] micheil: and when I recover the slides on cognac I'd be able to share more details
[19:01] mikeal: test frameworks are like assholes, everyone has one
[19:02] arpunk: and they all stink
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[19:02] tjholowaychuk: that they do
[19:02] mikeal: yeah, i just write node programs that either throw an exception or close gracefully
[19:02] mikeal: they look a lot like node-core's tests
[19:03] tjholowaychuk: yeah i was doing that for a while, my test framework was a ~10 line bash script
[19:03] micheil: mikeal: that forms great for node.js apps, but sucks hard for browser testing
[19:03] tjholowaychuk: it's nice in some ways but really slow
[19:03] micheil: s/forms/form is/
[19:03] mikeal: browser testing is another story
[19:03] c4milo: micheil: pusher? 
[19:03] mikeal: i use qunit because it's easy, but i don't actually like it
[19:03] micheil: http://pusher.com
[19:04] micheil: the company I work for.
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[19:05] c4milo: micheil: oh nice 
[19:06] c4milo: micheil: are you guys using nodejs for everything? 
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[19:06] sridatta: when I do `npm ls`, some packages are marked as "invalid". googled it to no avail. `man npmls` does not clarify what invalid means. does anyone know?
[19:07] isaacs[away]: sridatta: means that you have some version that is not allowed by the package.json file
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[19:11] sridatta: isaacs[away]: thanks. if a package is marked invalid, is it still used (if it's the only version of the package available)?
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[19:12] c4milo: tjholowaychuk: it's looking great, it's exactly what I wanted to do with my testing framework. 
[19:12] micheil: tjholowaychuk: so far mocha fails two of my requirements.
[19:12] tjholowaychuk: micheil it's like 30% done :p
[19:12] tjholowaychuk: it fails a lot of mine too
[19:12] micheil: ha. okay
[19:13] c4milo: ahaha
[19:13] tjholowaychuk: the foo.should.blah blah from should.js are just examples
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[19:13] tjholowaychuk: expect(obj).to blah blah will be implemented
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[19:14] micheil: well, like I said before, two basic requirements are all test should be async, and all things should be tightly bound
[19:14] micheil: testcases to suites, assertions to tests, etc.
[19:15] c4milo: tjholowaychuk: you're going use should.js right? 
[19:15] tjholowaychuk: c4milo nope
[19:15] tjholowaychuk: i mean you still could
[19:15] tjholowaychuk: and i do for the test suite right now
[19:15] tjholowaychuk: but that's not ideal for the browser nor the test coupling like micheil is mentioning
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[19:15] c4milo: tjholowaychuk: I see 
[19:15] c4milo: make sense 
[19:16] tjholowaychuk: assertions in callbacks go to hell if there's anything parallel
[19:16] tjholowaychuk: if you dont have the contextual object like that
[19:16] micheil: the reasoning for those two things is this: who writes synchronous javascript?
[19:16] micheil: most javascript is in some way asynchronous.
[19:16] tjholowaychuk: not really
[19:16] tjholowaychuk: obviously needs to support both
[19:17] tjholowaychuk: most unit tests are sync
[19:17] DrMcKay: tjholowaychuk++
[19:17] v8bot_:  DrMcKay has given a beer to tjholowaychuk. tjholowaychuk now has 5 beers.
[19:17] DrMcKay: I think I've written an async test once
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[19:17] micheil: having a test.finish() or test.done() in every test case isn't bad though
[19:17] micheil: DrMcKay: here's 30 of them: https://github.com/pusher/pusher-js/blob/master/test/cognac-units/connection.js
[19:17] DrMcKay: oh... no, in fact, I've written a shitload of them
[19:17] tjholowaychuk: sure, it's annoying but other than that it's fine
[19:18] context: micheil: thats a lot of typing.
[19:18] DrMcKay: I think asynchronousity just got me
[19:18] context: "just to be async"
[19:18] tjholowaychuk: for some cases i would way rather have expect(n) and have the done() implied
[19:18] c4milo: yeah, I think one needs to have the head in the async mindset to write a proper test framework
[19:18] tjholowaychuk: so you dont need counters etc
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[19:18] micheil: context: you would more than likely setup a template for it.
[19:18] micheil: if lazy enough.
[19:18] DrMcKay: micheil: yup, and these are mostly mine: https://github.com/mmalecki/Relief1/blob/master/test/test-login.js
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[19:19] context: templates. cause i like being repeatative. just so my tests can be async
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[19:19] DrMcKay: micheil: also, it's a pretty nice framework you have there
[19:19] micheil: it's better than having to try and guess whether a test is running sync or async.
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[19:20] micheil: DrMcKay: the framework is called Cognac, it's built from node-async-testing at the moment, but won't be we I get around to finishing it off.
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[19:20] micheil: DrMcKay: the test cases in that particular file test for handling of edge-cases on websocket connections
[19:20] DrMcKay: micheil: this one: https://github.com/miksago/cognac.js ?
[19:20] micheil: yeah
[19:21] micheil: I wouldn't recommend people use it yet
[19:21] micheil: it's really really hacked together at the moment
[19:21] micheil: eg, https://github.com/miksago/cognac.js/blob/master/lib/testing.js#L1-13
[19:22] micheil: (that file is pretty much from node-async-testing)
[19:22] DrMcKay: micheil: these websockets look pretty stressed there
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[19:22] micheil: it's all the edge cases that we've so far found at pusher.
[19:23] micheil: things like proxy traversal, back connection backoffs etc.
[19:23] micheil: I really need to fake time for things like this one: https://github.com/pusher/pusher-js/blob/master/test/cognac-units/connection.js#L1187-1315
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[19:23] micheil: (it takes a good 20-30 seconds to run that one test case)
[19:23] DrMcKay: micheil: it's pretty awesome that you even want to test them :)
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[19:24] micheil: we want to provide a guarantee to our customers that our stuff works.
[19:24] DrMcKay: now, that's more than guarentee.
[19:24] micheil: we don't just do testing like that though.
[19:25] micheil: we also do standard in browser tests that involve contacting the actual pusher servers and stuff
[19:25] hydrozen: What's the use of using module.exports in the main file of your application? I've seen such a thing in a couple of apps.. im not sure.
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[19:25] micheil: hydrozen: I'd guess for things like cluster.
[19:25] DrMcKay: it's like assuring people that your bulletproof vest is really bulletproof by letting them shoot at you from 1 m distance
[19:25] micheil: hydrozen: tjholowaychuk could probably expand 
[19:26] context: hydrozen: in case someone wants to use your app as a module to include in there own
[19:26] micheil: DrMcKay: okay :)
[19:26] tjholowaychuk: hydrozen yeah that's just so you can access the app for testing, cluster, etc
[19:26] hydrozen: tjholowaychuk: ok
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[19:28] hydrozen: and lets say that in my main application file, I create an expressjs app. If I want to break things down in multiple files so that for example I can define all my routes in a different file, then I should pass the expressjs app instance to the module that will take care of setting up the routing?
[19:28] hydrozen: im not too sure of the good pattern to 'share' data between modules
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[19:32] tjholowaychuk: hydrozen I usually just make app a global, but depending on the app that may make it more difficult to test, also if the app is going to be used by libraries you wont want to do that
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[19:32] tjholowaychuk: so something like cluster-live that has an express app definitely does not have a global
[19:32] Murvin: anyone have use Heroku to host node.js in facebook?
[19:33] lz: murvin: i've tried that before
[19:33] lz: it seems to work fine
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[19:39] c4milo: isaacs[away]: how did you call the npm feature that allow us to use repo links as dependencies? 
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[19:41] hydrozen: tjholowaychuk: its a good use case for globals, or still not such a great solution?
[19:42] tjholowaychuk: hydrozen if it's not an app that you're require()ing to use with other apps or libraries it should be fine
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[19:44] Brandon_R: guten tag
[19:44] Brandon_R: what's up
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[19:45] micheil: Brandon_R: <guten />
[19:45] Brandon_R: lol
[19:46] Brandon_R: any new projects micheil?
[19:46] micheil: not really.
[19:46] micheil: just a bunch of pusher stuff really, and cognac.
[19:46] Brandon_R: cool
[19:47] Brandon_R: anything i could check out. i'm currently learning node and i think i can gain familarity with it by looking at projects
[19:47] micheil: but cognac is like hack software. It's not even alpha yet.
[19:47] micheil: sorry, I've got nothing, but try the wiki on the project on github.
[19:47] micheil: http://github.com/joyent/node/wiki
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[20:02] qbert65536: aynone know if mongolian has a reconnect option
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[20:11] Industrial: Is it possible to require all files in a directory at once?
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[20:12] TheJH: Industrial, with fs.readdirSync and forEach, I guess
[20:12] Industrial: TheJH: hm, okay.
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[20:24] softdrink: is anyone using jasmine-runner?
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[20:28] daleharvey: so, back again, anyone familiar with node-http-proxy? the code example on github is broken - http://pastebin.me/188842111b3069a3aa51932b1e167359
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[20:33] DrMcKay: daleharvey: we're talking about nodejitsu proxy?
[20:34] daleharvey: yup
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[20:36] DrMcKay: daleharvey: I'm looking into it, but you may also want to ask guys at #nodejitsu
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[20:36] DrMcKay: daleharvey: and yes, I can reproduce
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[20:40] CIA-54: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * rc1ae6ea 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Add TTYWrap - http://git.io/xKv3wg
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[20:41] Industrial: TheJH: Something like this? https://gist.github.com/ca4917c5d6b695acdb57 It's not done yet but..
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[20:42] Industrial: Hm come to think of it I should to the map and uniq on the seq stack, so I can do a parEach require.
[20:42] TheJH: !coffee compile https://gist.github.com/ca4917c5d6b695acdb57
[20:42] jhbot: compile() failed
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[20:42] TheJH: Industrial, why not sync?
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[20:44] TheJH: Industrial, require('fs').readdirSync(folder).forEach(function(file){if (endingIsRight(file))require(folder+'/'+file)})
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[20:51] Industrial: TheJH: well, true ..
[20:51] TheJH: Industrial, :D
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[20:52] ryah: jhurliman: yes
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[21:30] levi: Is there some standard subclass of Stream that I can pass to a library that expects to be communicating over a network stream, but is instead exposed also as a stream to my code?  Essentially a pipe between parts of the program.
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[21:32] baudehlo: levi: you mean like this: https://github.com/dominictarr/event-stream ?
[21:34] levi: Possibly... I don't really want to pass arbitrary data, though, just standard buffers.
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[21:38] baudehlo: well you can just use the standard stream class
[21:38] baudehlo: pipe it together with whatever other stream you want.
[21:38] baudehlo: and listen to on('data') after that.
[21:39] baudehlo: it'll emit both to the other stream, and to your listener.
[21:39] softdrink: is anyone using jasmine-headless-webkit?
[21:39] ben1mal: we use it for continuous integration
[21:40] levi: This looks promising to me, too: https://github.com/dodo/node-bufferstream
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[21:40] softdrink: are specs run in a clean context or is the same webkit instance reused?  i'm trying to figure out how to test some client-side routing code.
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[21:42] qbert65536: god Im getting the weirdest error/behavior with Mongolian, connect and mongodb
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[21:58] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: doesn't your bot track github issues any more?
[21:58] softdrink: well… crap. i guess i'm going to have to use phantomjs
[21:58] daleharvey: ok so I stop using express and all my problems go away
[21:59] tjholowaychuk: daleharvey haha what was happening?
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[21:59] daleharvey: bodyParser was closing the stream so it couldnt be piped directly into another request
[22:00] tjholowaychuk: dont use bodyParser if you dont need it
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[22:01] Brandon_R: hey guys
[22:01] Brandon_R: i have a question
[22:01] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: it does, why?
[22:02] DrMcKay: !ping
[22:02] dmkbot: DrMcKay, pong
[22:02] joshkehn: Brandon_R: Easy or hard?
[22:02] Brandon_R: what is the closest looking language to jade in syntax
[22:02] Brandon_R: easy :P
[22:02] joshkehn: Um
[22:02] joshkehn: I'm not sure.
[22:02] dreamdust: You mean templating language?
[22:02] joshkehn: Python? 
[22:02] Brandon_R: i can emulate syntax highlighting by reading jade files as other languages
[22:02] Brandon_R: :)
[22:02] joshkehn: Oh
[22:02] Brandon_R: lemme try
[22:02] joshkehn: I doubt that will work well.
[22:02] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: ah, I can't see anything, true. I'll check logs
[22:03] Brandon_R: does anyone know how to make a socketio work with express?
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[22:04] daleharvey: well I needed it for other requests, just not the one I was proxying
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[22:06] xerox: how do I print an object to the console
[22:06] xerox: both console.log and console.dir stop here: [ { type: 'tag', name: 'html', children: [ [Object] ] } ]
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[22:07] tjholowaychuk: xerox you have to use utils.inspect directly to bump the depth currently
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[22:07] tjholowaychuk: require('util') or whatever
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[22:07] stonecobra: xerox: you can use util.inspect(obj, ...
[22:07] stonecobra: one of the args is level of depth
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[22:13] Brandon_R: anyone?
[22:13] halcyon918: anyone's not here at the moment
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[22:13] tjholowaychuk: Brandon_R same way as a regular node http.Server
[22:14] tjholowaychuk: http://socket.io/#how-to-use
[22:14] tjholowaychuk: there's even an express example right there
[22:14] Brandon_R: so i just listen on the express server just like the default node http module?
[22:15] Brandon_R: woah
[22:15] Brandon_R: i didn't not see that
[22:15] Brandon_R: thanks bro
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[22:25] godzirra: Hey guys.  Can anyone tell me if this is a good node.js book?  http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/getting-started-with-geo-couchdb-and-node-js-mick-thompson/1104510591?ean=9781449307523&itm=1&usri=nodejs
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[22:26] jesusabdullah: godzirra: I bet it's pretty decent if you're working with geo stuff
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[22:31] ngl: hi all, I've a question about this line:  var child = child_process.spawn('xsltproc', [ '--stringparam matchModule '+args.formOf, '../popNode.xsl', '../config.xml']);
[22:32] godzirra: jesusabdullah: I specifically am which is why I found it kind of funny, but I was curious if anyone had taken a look at it and saw that it was good in general. :)
[22:32] ngl: I'm having problems. I can use xsltproc with only the two files, but attempts to pass in  a param isn't working... 
[22:32] ngl: from the command line: xsltproc --stringparam matchModule svm popNode.xsl config.xml  works just fine.
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[22:32] jesusabdullah: godzirra: maxogden might know better n' me. He works with couch and node, and some geo stuff as well.
[22:33] ngl: how to pass in my --stringparam?
[22:33] jesusabdullah: What's xsltproc?
[22:33] bnoordhuis: the canonical xslt processor
[22:33] eldios: I'm about to start my first spreecast about NodeJS .. which is kinda a trial of the bi-weekly videos I will possibly make
[22:33] jesusabdullah: So, nothing to do with node?
[22:33] ngl: that
[22:33] eldios: anyone wanna join --> http://www.spreecast.com/events/nodejs-hangout-episode-0
[22:34] jesusabdullah: eldios: I would if I weren't at work :/
[22:34] ngl: the spawning of a child process is the node here
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[22:34] EyePulp: so I'm roughing out the basics of the most minimal way for a node server to fetch and display content from a parent web site.  I'll need to do some transforms on it before redisplay, but I'm considering using nodeio for getting the page.  Or maybe I just need to use http.get…  suggestions?
[22:34] eldios: connect an mute the volume
[22:34] eldios: and write
[22:35] ngl: ...and if I don't try to pass in the first of three array args there, if I just pass the files, it has no problem and is proven to work.
[22:36] ngl: but, i need to pass a parameter to the xsl.
[22:36] godzirra: jesusabdullah: okee dokee.  Thanks!
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[22:37] ngl: or, i can do that tomorrow. thought maybe somebody would quickly recognize the fix.
[22:37] ngl: ...or the break
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[22:39] jesusabdullah: godzirra: No prob!
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[22:40] Brandon_R: hello
[22:40] Brandon_R: what what that link again?
[22:40] Brandon_R: the one with episode 0 of the screenchat
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[22:43] softdrink: is there a good way to watch a directory recursively for any changes, without polling?
[22:43] jhurliman: EyePulp, are you fetching and caching periodically, or fetching from upstream on every request?
[22:44] EyePulp: jhurliman: unfortunately on every request.  I'm hoping there might be a HEAD check or ETAG option to avoid a full page response, and I can do some local caching.
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[22:44] jhurliman: node.io is great for periodic tasks (jobs in node.io speak), like if you needed to fetch upstream data once every few minutes, apply some transforms, and write it to a local cache
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[22:44] jhurliman: if you are fetching on every request i don't think node.io will give you much
[22:44] Skyec: hi guys. Where should I look for the progress on Child Process for node.exe (windows)?
[22:45] EyePulp: jhurliman: gotcha.  thanks for the two cents.
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[22:45] jhurliman: you may as well just field the incoming connection, use the request module to grab the remote content, run it through your transform function and stream it back
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[22:47] CIA-54: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * rc455f37 10/ src/unix/fs.c : unix: freebsd doesn't have fdatasync, do a full fsync instead - http://git.io/SPCeGA
[22:47] lz: hmm is there any way to package node.js app into a independent executable?
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[22:47] jhurliman: if you can hold the content in memory you don't need to do anything fancy with the caching either, just make your request with an if-modified-since header and use the in-memory copy if you get a 304 back
[22:47] jhurliman: and-or etag header if available
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[22:49] dreamdust: @softdrink: fs.watchFile()
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[22:53] defeated: Out of curiosity, what do most folks do about redis and locking? I didn't see any libraries that provide locking functionality, but it seems like it's a problem that could come up, even for node apps running on a single processor?
[22:54] jhurliman: EyePulp, lost internet connection... here's what i said about node.io though: http://cl1p.net/netfail/
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[22:54] defeated: I implemented the recommended logic for locking from redis for our NKO entry, and was wondering if I missed something and it wasn't necessary, or if not, if it was something people would be interested in using as a standalone module.
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[22:55] EyePulp: jhurliman: cool - thanks for the extra effort - I'm not familiar with the if-modified-since header
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[22:56] billhead: Has anyone tried to compile with OpenIndiana 151?  Getting an error "CC: language ar not recognized"
[22:56] jhurliman: you store the date returned with the latest cached copy and send it in the If-Modified-Since header. if the modified date has not changed since then the server is supposed to send back an empty 304 response. so you still have the round-trip latency but avoid the transfer bandwidth
[22:57] jhurliman: that's assuming the upstream server is properly setting a last modified date and not just generating dynamic content each time
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[22:59] CIA-54: node: Initial pass at new TTY js layer
[22:59] CIA-54: node: This breaks Windows. - http://git.io/NmJILA
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[23:07] dreamdust: I didn't know about if-modified-since either… should be added to connect-cache
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[23:19] simoon: Hiya folks, anyone use nodester? I just wrote a stupid socket.io thing that I wanted to show to some friends
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[23:31] kmiyashiro: simoon: I do
[23:31] simoon: neat :) I just came across the site kmiyashiro
[23:32] simoon: I requested a coupon, so, I guess I'll have to wait to actually try it out
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[23:32] meltphace: I need to exit with a particular code, so I did a process.on('exit' handler, but then if I call process.exit(3); inside of that handler, it calls the handler again, etc. how can I exit with a particular ret code after all events have been processed?
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[23:35] dreamdust: @meltphace: You need to save state. So create a variable that gets set the first time that event fires.
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[23:49] meltphace: dreamdust: worked thanks
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[23:49] eldios: here I am
[23:50] eldios: I did fix al the technical issues I had with spreencast.. ready to roll out with real episode00
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[23:51] jellosea: my unit test in expresso just hangs, the test doesn't finish
[23:51] jellosea: though if i control-c it, it says test passes
[23:51] jellosea: why is this?
[23:51] tjholowaychuk: jellosea open db connections etc
[23:51] jellosea: i have to close all the connections?
[23:51] jellosea: is there a way to force closing all the connections?
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[23:52] jellosea: or to not care?
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