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[00:36] JWarm: Hey All, I'm running Node.js for the first time (along with Nginx) and I'm getting this error: Object http has no method 'createServer'
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[00:37] tmzt: JWarm: soudns like you aren't requiring it right
[00:37] tmzt: pastebin your code
[00:37] JWarm: alright
[00:38] JWarm: ohh...
[00:38] JWarm: :( 
[00:38] JWarm: Thanks
[00:39] tmzt: curious
[00:39] JWarm: syntax error
[00:39] JWarm: Thanks, tmzt!
[00:39] tmzt: ah
[00:39] JWarm: lol
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[00:45] JWarm: Okay… how do I get back control of my server without shutting node off: I just ran this command node app.js
[00:46] MooGoo: use a server that supports multitasking
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[00:46] JWarm: I'm using slice host?
[00:46] JWarm: should i just open up another terminal window?
[00:47] MooGoo: slice what
[00:47] JWarm: ubuntu
[00:47] MooGoo: well you can always kill the node app
[00:47] MooGoo: unless it's supposed to be doing whatever it is doing
[00:48] JWarm: I want it to continue running, but as soon as I exit the terminal I can't access my website from the browser.
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[00:49] MooGoo: you might wanna use nohup
[00:49] MooGoo: or better yet tmux
[00:49] JWarm: I'll check these out. Thanks
[00:50] Aikar: whats the min to put in a package.json for node.js to load it as a module?
[00:50] Aikar: i put name ver and main
[00:50] perezd: author I think
[00:50] perezd: is required
[00:50] perezd: or email
[00:50] perezd: something
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[00:50] Aikar: why does node.js require author O.o?
[00:50] Aikar: i understand for npm
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[00:51] Aikar: but this module isnt intended to be on npm
[00:51] Aikar: doing it for testing
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[00:52] Aikar: Error: Cannot find module '/home/aikar/projects/nodeib/modules/foo'
[00:52] Aikar: >>> ls /home/aikar/projects/nodeib/modules/foo
[00:52] Aikar: ./  ../  lib/  package.json
[00:52] Aikar: my package.json has name author version main
[00:52] benburkert: is there a way to explicitly require Buffer? i'm getting weird "ReferenceError: Buffer is not defined" errors
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[00:52] Aikar: benburkert: that shouldnt be possible, its in global scope
[00:52] Aikar: if your using VM, you need to pass it to the VM
[00:53] benburkert: Aikar: i'm not using a VM
[00:53] Aikar: benburkert: what node -v?
[00:53] benburkert: Aikar: https://gist.github.com/20c3f2d63744ac345641
[00:53] benburkert: both 0.4.9 and 0.4.10
[00:54] Aikar: oh that hubot is using eval
[00:54] Aikar: and must be running in some kind of diff scope
[00:54] benburkert: oh, it must be the script loading code then
[00:54] Aikar: if your the author of hubot-classic... dont use eval :P
[00:55] convictedfelon: Could anybody help me with a sugarsync referral? It's a cool program that let's you sync between different computers, you get an extra 500 MB with this link! Thanks :) https://www.sugarsync.com/referral?rf=ctkt7tnqpjamn&utm_source=txemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=referral
[00:55] benburkert: all other globals are defined, like console
[00:55] Aikar: use vm.runInNewContext if you want to sandbox, and pass Buffer to it
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[00:56] Aikar: convictedfelon: you mean like Dropbox? lol
[00:56] AvianFlu: he's a spam bot, I bet
[00:56] benburkert: Aikar: that was it, runInNewContext wasn't passing Buffer
[00:56] benburkert: Aikar:  thanks for the help!
[00:56] Aikar: np
[00:56] davidbanham: So is no.de free while it's in beta or something? I can't see any pricing information, and I seem to have just spun up a machine without entering any cc details or anything.
[00:57] Aikar: benburkert: you may want to pass all globals, make a copy of global obj (look at the node.js module loader)
[00:57] Aikar: require() is not in the global scope, so you wont be passing that
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[00:58] webbower: Is anyone having problems installing npm with MacPorts on Lion?
[00:58] isaacs: webbower: gist output!
[00:58] chjj: youre on a lion?
[00:58] webbower: ya
[00:58] davidbanham: I'm on a horse.
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[00:59] webbower: isaacs: Is Pastie ok? I'm not familiar with how to make gists. Still a bit of a github n00b
[00:59] benburkert: Aikar: what file would i find this module loader in?
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[01:00] Aikar: benburkert: lib/module.js
[01:01] isaacs: webbower: go to http://gist.github.com/
[01:01] benburkert: ahh, https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/lib/module.js#L400
[01:01] isaacs: webbower: it's like pastie, but no ads, easier to read, syntax highlighting for more languages, and forkable.
[01:01] isaacs: webbower: and there's a cli util for it
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[01:02] isaacs: webbower: <3 gist :)
[01:02] SubStack: and you get internet points for making gists
[01:03] webbower: isaacs: Fancy. Must move to top of list to learns its delicious secrets. Please hold. You want whole log Gist'd or just the error output?
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[01:04] tbranyen: the only problem with making gists is clouding up the gists you want to remember
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[01:04] tbranyen: so instead you have to make a new private tab or a new browser window
[01:04] tbranyen: so that its anonymous
[01:04] SubStack: you can star your gists
[01:04] tbranyen: far more convenient to just make pasties
[01:04] SubStack: true story
[01:05] chjj: tbranyen: substack just schooled you with robot knowledge
[01:05] tbranyen: if i could award him a star i would
[01:05] tbranyen: SubStack++
[01:05] v8bot_:  tbranyen has given a beer to SubStack. SubStack now has 7 beers.
[01:05] tbranyen: ya drunk bastard
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[01:06] Aikar: isaacs: any idea why require wont load my module?
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[01:06] isaacs: Aikar: it's not in a node_modules folder locally maybe?
[01:06] isaacs: Aikar: that's just a guess.
[01:06] Aikar: i give it an absolute path to the dir, and the dir has package.json with name/author/version/main
[01:07] isaacs: Aikar: 
[01:07] isaacs: ok
[01:07] isaacs: reproducible test, please?
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[01:07] webbower: isaacs: whole log or just error portion?
[01:07] isaacs: Aikar: if the package.json has a main, then you should be able to require teh folder in node >= 0.4
[01:07] isaacs: webbower: the whole thing
[01:08] isaacs: c++
[01:08] v8bot_:  isaacs has given a beer to c. c now has 1 beers.
[01:08] webbower: isaacs: https://gist.github.com/e9115a90e6a194ecd3de
[01:09] Sorella: C deserves no beers though.
[01:09] chjj: so that is what c++ is...c with a beer
[01:09] Draggor: C deserves all the beers
[01:10] chjj: this ^
[01:10] Sorella: Drunk C. I should've guessed :3
[01:10] Sorella: No wonder it takes so long to compile things.
[01:10] Draggor: it takes a long time to compile things?
[01:10] Draggor: In the before time maybe.
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[01:11] Sorella: Draggor: try compiling any Sepples app that uses loads of templates and you'll see~
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[01:12] thinkjson: C is way easier to use than C++
[01:12] thinkjson: it's actually quite elegant in its own way
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[01:12] RyanW: C is easy
[01:12] thinkjson: C++ takes some mind-bending at times
[01:12] dynacker: you're easy
[01:12] Draggor: like my mom!
[01:13] thinkjson: lol
[01:13] Draggor: wait
[01:13] thinkjson: on that note...
[01:13] Draggor: *ding*
[01:15] webbower: isaacs: Any insight?
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[01:18] hasta84: Has anyone made some experience with an ORM for node?
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[01:20] Aikar: isaacs: ah i figured it out. I forgot I moved my js file and entry in package.json was wrong
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[01:27] Aikar: hmm, if i have a bin in ~/foo/bin/bar that loads a module in ~/foo/node_modules/, then loads a module from ~/modules/bar/ (so not in the same root folder), and process.cwd() is ~/ (ie not ~/foo or ~/modules), best way to access the module? will require() hit it from cache?
[01:27] Aikar: i want the module in ~/modules/ to use the module in ~/foo/node_modules
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[01:28] davidbanham: My no.de smartmachines have been in provisioning status for half an hour now. Is that normal?
[01:29] isaacs: Aikar: it'll only hit the cache if it would be the same filename
[01:29] isaacs: Aikar: there's some implementation detail optimizations there, but semanticaly, that's how it works
[01:29] isaacs: Aikar: if it'll resolve tot he same file, it'll be the same object.
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[01:30] isaacs: webbower: oh, wtf?  you're installing *npm* wiht macports?
[01:30] isaacs: webbower: i didn't even know that was possible.
[01:32] isaacs: webbower: anyway, looks like macports is pulilng the git repo, not the released tarball.
[01:32] isaacs: webbower: the docs aren't built, so it's failing to build them
[01:32] isaacs: webbower: also unclear as to why it's running "make" rather than "make install" but maybe they do that in a second step or something
[01:33] isaacs: oh, no, they're explicitly making the docs.
[01:33] isaacs:  && /usr/bin/make -j4 -w doc "
[01:33] isaacs: that's weird
[01:34] CIA-54: libuv: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r2f18cf5 10/ uv.gyp : Fix gyp build - http://git.io/3uNKMA
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[01:35] webbower: isaacs: Ya. I mentioned MacPorts in my initial comment :-p. I was able to successfully install npm on another computer with MacPorts and I'm trying to install it on my new computer here with Lion, but I ran into this problem
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[01:36] isaacs: webbower: if you have node, you can just download the install script and run it
[01:36] isaacs: or curl|sh it
[01:36] isaacs: ircretary: inst webbower
[01:36] ircretary: webbower: `curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sh` (or, if there are permission issues, you can try: `curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sudo sh`)
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[01:40] webbower: isaacs: hrm. I really want MacPorts to manage that stuff for me....... I guess I'll wait a couple days and see if the port package gets updated to fix the problem. I guess I should get in touch with the Port maintainer for this. Thanks for the help
[01:41] isaacs: webbower: ok
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[01:41] marcello3d: anyone here good with canvas?
[01:41] isaacs: webbower: you can also just download thenpm source code, and run `node cli.js install -g` to install it
[01:41] isaacs: webbower: it's really easy.  just uses itself to install itself
[01:42] webbower: isaacs: I'll try that out if the port maintainer doesn't fix it soon
[01:43] isaacs: webbower: ask them why they're running `make docs` when the docs are already up to date in the release package.  (or, if they're not getting the release package from registry.npmjs.org, why not?)
[01:43] monokrome: isaacs: Are there any tricks you've come across for putting non-global executable files into the PATH? I tried adding ./node_modules/*/bin but that obviously doesn't work.
[01:43] isaacs: monokrome: add ./node_modules/.bin
[01:43] webbower: isaacs: ok. Anything else that seems weird?
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[01:44] isaacs: monokrome: or just execute your dep bins via npm "scripts" hash (npm test, npm start, preinstall, etc.) and it'll do that for you
[01:44] isaacs: webbower: nope
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[01:45] isaacs: webbower: oh, also this:
[01:45] isaacs: :debug:patch Executing command line:  cd "/opt/local/var/macports/build/_opt_local_var_macports_sources_rsync.macports.org_release_tarballs_ports_devel_npm/npm/work/npm-1.0.30" && /usr/bin/patch -p0 < '/opt/local/var/macports/sources/rsync.macports.org/release/tarballs/ports/devel/npm/files/patch-scripts-doc-build.sh'
[01:45] isaacs: what's that about?
[01:46] isaacs: you shouldn't have to patch npm to make it work on a mac.  it's developed on a mac.
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[01:47] micheil: isaacs: you never know, perhaps with macports it's required.. strangely enough.
[01:48] isaacs: no, this is kind of busted and unnecessary.
[01:48] isaacs: 
ACTION sigh.

[01:48] micheil: isaacs: more or less what I was hinting at.
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[01:49] monokrome: isaacs: What does npm start do? Is there any documentation for commands? `npm --help start` just shows: npm start <name>
[01:49] isaacs: monokrome: npm help start
[01:49] isaacs: monokrome: not --help
[01:49] isaacs: --help is a flag.  "npm help" is a command
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[01:52] monokrome: Oh, cool. Thanks.
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[01:54] monokrome: isaacs: npm start add it to the path? Sorry for all of the questions. I am trying to figure out how to run coffee from my Makefile
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[01:55] monokrome: s/npm start/Does npm start/
[01:56] isaacs: monokrome: { "scripts": { "start": "coffee server.coffee", "preinstall": "cake build", "test": "vows *.js" }, "dependencies": {"coffee-script":"*"}, "devDependencies":{"vows":"*"} }
[01:56] isaacs: monokrome: like that^
[01:57] isaacs: monokrome: then you can run `npm start` in the root of the project to run the local coffee script, and installing your app will run `cake build` first, and tests will use the local vows, etc.
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[01:57] isaacs: there is very rarely a need to install something globally because one package needs it.
[01:57] isaacs: global installs are for things you want to be in the PATH always, everywhere.
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[02:12] zemanel: hi
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[02:29] zemanel: i have a silly question. if, from module "A" i "var foo = require('B')" and do "foo.myfunc()", how can i, from inside "myfunc()" add functions to A's context ?
[02:30] isaacs: zemanel: you can't
[02:30] isaacs: zemanel: just pass objects back and forth
[02:30] isaacs: var b = require("b");  b.decorate(myObject);  myObject.thingFromB()
[02:30] zemanel: i see
[02:30] isaacs: or at least, that'd be one way to do it
[02:30] isaacs: there's not really a "the" way, since the language is so flexible
[02:31] zemanel: the question is sillier than that
[02:31] zemanel: what i want exactly is to share a configuration dict across modules
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[02:31] isaacs: var c = require("./config.js")
[02:31] isaacs: do that in all the modules.
[02:31] isaacs: and you can decorate c, and they'll all have the same exact object, so changes will be seen everywhere
[02:32] zemanel: erhm its not exactly that
[02:32] zemanel: i'm doing a small module for "recipes" for Cakefile's
[02:33] isaacs: k
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[02:33] isaacs: well... you can't get at the function scope from outside of it.
[02:33] zemanel: very early stage
[02:33] isaacs: yeah.  i'd recommend that you do a different thing.
[02:33] zemanel: atm it works by the dev doing "require "cakery/recipes/hello_world" on his Cakefile
[02:33] isaacs: just export functions, and let your caller handle it
[02:33] zemanel: yeah that works
[02:34] isaacs: zemanel: hello = require("cakery/recipes/hello_world") <-- what's wrong with that?
[02:34] zemanel: because a recipe is 1 or more tasks
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[02:34] isaacs: right
[02:34] isaacs: (not getting it, i guess)
[02:34] zemanel: https://github.com/zemanel/node-cakery/blob/master/src/cakery/recipes/hello_world.coffee
[02:34] zemanel: it basically includes the recipe functions on the dev Cakefile
[02:34] isaacs: hm... this language confuses me.
[02:35] zemanel: no worries its all js
[02:35] isaacs: can you express that in javascript?
[02:35] zemanel: ca Cakefile is a js file
[02:35] isaacs: i mean https://github.com/zemanel/node-cakery/blob/master/src/cakery/recipes/hello_world.coffee
[02:35] zemanel: with functions, "task('foobar')
[02:35] isaacs: is task a function, then?
[02:35] zemanel: yes
[02:35] isaacs: why not just export it?
[02:36] isaacs: oh, are you calling the function?  or defining it?
[02:36] zemanel: a cakefile is just a js file with Task() functions
[02:37] zemanel: pretty much like fabric
[02:37] zemanel: (dunno if you know what it is
[02:37] isaacs: the only .akefiles i know are Makefiles
[02:37] zemanel: yeah like a Makefile
[02:37] isaacs: but... this isn't in make syntax.
[02:37] isaacs: you're not defining a target and the things it depends on, and then zero or more shell commands
[02:37] zemanel: its in coffeescript sintax
[02:38] zemanel: you can define a task like 'task "cakery:recipe:compile"'
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[02:38] isaacs: is that a function call?
[02:38] zemanel: and call $cake cakery:recipe:compile
[02:38] zemanel: yeah coffee compiles it to a js funct
[02:38] isaacs: like task("cakery:recipe:compile")?
[02:38] tim_smart: isaacs: https://github.com/jashkenas/coffee-script/blob/master/src/cake.coffee
[02:38] isaacs: or like function task () { cakery:recipe:compile }
[02:39] isaacs: i actually don't know coffee script very well at all.
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[02:39] isaacs: i find it disastrously confusing to look at.
[02:39] zemanel: heh :-)
[02:39] zemanel: anyway its a file of functions
[02:39] isaacs: so, you want your module to be "inlined" in another module, then?
[02:40] isaacs: so that you can call task() in there, instead of in your module?
[02:40] tim_smart: isaacs: Basically it extends the global object with task, invoke and option methods.
[02:40] zemanel: no
[02:40] isaacs: zemanel: i'm completely not grokking what it is you're trying to do
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[02:40] zemanel: basically on a cakefile (js file), i require another js file 
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[02:40] isaacs: k
[02:40] zemanel: and it adds those functions to the 1st 
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[02:40] zemanel: wihtou module exports and etc
[02:41] zemanel: which is good
[02:41] isaacs: "adds those functions to the 1st"
[02:41] isaacs: what does that mean?
[02:41] zemanel: because when you run $cake
[02:41] isaacs: it calls functions?
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[02:41] isaacs: or it adds stuff into the scope of the original cakefile module?
[02:41] zemanel: it will list the Cakefile task, plus tho ones inline
[02:41] zemanel: yep exactly
[02:41] isaacs: (it was multiple choice, not true/false)
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[02:42] zemanel: it adds stuff into the scope of the original cakefile module
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[02:43] zemanel: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/478325/
[02:43] isaacs: dominictarr: the acronym should be for: Streaming, Lightweight, Event-Emitting, Persistence
[02:44] isaacs: dominictarr: SLEEP
[02:44] isaacs: dominictarr: like REST
[02:44] zemanel: isaacs: so, if on an empty Cakefile, i add 'require "cakery/recipes/hello_world"'
[02:44] dominictarr: but better!
[02:44] isaacs: right!
[02:44] zemanel: it will add the hello_world functs to the cakefile, hence the 'recipes' thing
[02:45] dominictarr: 'cos that is what your servers will be doing
[02:45] isaacs: zemanel: well, it'll call "task" in that other module, yeahj.
[02:45] zemanel: so i can create common tasks, that are useful across projects, like building, cleaning, etc 
[02:45] zemanel: tha tcan be shared with the community
[02:45] zemanel: prety much like Homebrew doees
[02:46] zemanel: for example, express has a command ("express") to jumstart a new project, right?
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[02:48] zemanel: what i want is to create a dict config that an be accessible from the Cakefiles and other modules
[02:48] tim_smart: zemanel: require('cakery').bake('hello_world') or something?
[02:48] zemanel: that was about replacing the inlining approach
[02:49] zemanel: i was looking into something like
[02:49] zemanel: var cakery = require('cakery')
[02:49] tim_smart: Does require('module_name/submodule') work?
[02:49] zemanel: cakery.set("someconfig", "some value")
[02:49] zemanel: which is easy
[02:50] isaacs: tim_smart: sure.
[02:50] isaacs: tim_smart: the require('foo') just maps to a folder named 'foo'
[02:50] isaacs: so you can dive right in there
[02:50] isaacs: require("npm/lib/install")
[02:50] tim_smart: isaacs: node_modules/module/submodule/index.js?
[02:51] panfist: 2
[02:51] isaacs: tim_smart: sure, if that's where the file lives
[02:51] tim_smart: isaacs: Cool
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[02:51] tim_smart: 
ACTION should look at module.js or w/e

[02:52] isaacs: tim_smart: you don't need the 'node_modules/' bit on there, though
[02:52] tim_smart: isaacs: That was just an example path from project root
[02:52] isaacs: tim_smart: all described here: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.5.7/api/modules.html
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[02:54] zemanel: isaacs: anyway nvmd i think im messing up different concepts
[02:54] isaacs: 
ACTION requires sushi

[02:57] zemanel: the project is this https://github.com/zemanel/node-cakery , the README is verbose :-)
[02:57] zemanel: gonna play some HL2 on the quest for answers
[02:57] JWarm: Hey guys, I'm trying to choose a solution for deploying node.js: Forever or upstart… or is using nohup really enough?
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[02:59] dynacker: using node.js in production?
[02:59] dynacker: i've used forever, it felt pretty good
[03:00] JWarm: Alright… that is good enough for me ;)
[03:00] dynacker: http://blog.nodejitsu.com/keep-a-nodejs-server-up-with-forever
[03:00] JWarm: Thanks dynacker
[03:00] dynacker: np
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[03:01] AvianFlu: JWarm: nodejitsu uses forever in production, it's a solid tool
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[03:02] JWarm: Thanks, AvianFlu
[03:02] JWarm: Right on!
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[03:26] akiva: Anyone have any good "deploying a Node.js site" articles? Tips, optimizations, etc?
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[03:47] Skyec: hi guys. I found this channel through a google search about debugging. Is it still true that ndb is buggy and using eclipse V8 plug-in is preferred?
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[03:57] andoriyu: I was asking couple days ago about http basic auth in expess.js. Is there any easy way to enable auth to all routes, but one?
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[04:18] davidbanham: andoriyu: Are you looking for something even less verbose than just adding your auth middleware to each route you want to protect?
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[04:19] shedinja: In node is there a variable like `window` in the browser that allows me to set global variables dynamically?
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[04:23] chjj: shedinja: the global object in node is just called global
[04:24] chjj: shedinja: or root
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[04:25] shedinja: chjj: thank you
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[04:30] andoriyu: davidbanham, something less
[04:31] davidbanham: andoriyu: I've always just been pretty happy to type app.get('/cpadd', requiresAdmin, function(req, res) { or similar for each route. Haven't felt the need to go sparser.
[04:32] JWarm: Hey all, I just installed node.js. How do I set the node path?
[04:33] davidbanham: JWarm: What OS?
[04:33] JWarm: Ubuntu 11.4
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[04:33] CIA-54: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07domains * r517604b 10/ lib/dns_uv.js : Fix test-domains.js - http://git.io/hQpqRg
[04:33] CIA-54: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07domains * re1eee5b 10/ (lib/domains.js lib/timers_uv.js test/simple/test-domains2.js): domains: handle not being removed correctly - http://git.io/sNFZTA
[04:33] CIA-54: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07domains * rafa08ad 10/ (lib/domains.js lib/timers_uv.js src/node.js): Fix test-domains2.js - http://git.io/RSb6NQ
[04:34] davidbanham: JWarm: Add this to your .bashrc - export PATH=/path/to/dir:$PATH
[04:34] JWarm: Okay
[04:34] JWarm: Thanks david
[04:34] davidbanham: No probs.
[04:34] JWarm: Quick question. I just npm'ed Forever… should I uninstall or npm install forever again?
[04:34] JWarm: I don't know how this affects everything else...
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[04:35] davidbanham: Did you npm install -g Forever or just npm install Forever?
[04:36] JWarm: the latter.
[04:37] andoriyu: davidbanham, I solved problem very brute way — no public routes :) but thx anyway
[04:38] davidbanham: So you've installed it into whatever directory you happened to be in at the time. This is the preferred behaviour for most npm modules, because it means you can have different versions of packages etc for different apps you're working on. I don't use Forever, but I'm guessing (maybe wrongly) that it's like nodemon in that it makes more sense to install it globally.
[04:38] andoriyu: hmm, what about digest auth...
[04:38] davidbanham: andoriyu: No worries.
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[04:39] JWarm: Okay. Thanks a lot David!!
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[04:39] JWarm: You the man@
[04:39] JWarm: !
[04:39] davidbanham: JWarm: No probs, best of luck with it all!
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[04:42] andoriyu:  can't find how to use digest auth O_o
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[04:48] JWarm: Hey all, I just installed forever globally and tried running it, but I'm getting this error: Cannot find module '../build/default/daemon'
[04:48] andoriyu: davidbanham, how to use digest auth with express.js?
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[04:49] davidbanham: andoriyu: No idea, never used http authentication with express. I rolled my own authentication code, which is easier than you may think with express. This also looks pretty slick: https://github.com/bnoguchi/everyauth
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[04:52] andoriyu: davidbanham, i need something very flexible — Basic/Digest + via token
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[04:53] chrisdickinson: any node folk at strangeloop?
[04:53] davidbanham: andoriyu: I'm not sure, I'm afraid. It's not a problem I've ever had to solve.
[04:54] andoriyu: ok, how to use next() ?
[04:55] davidbanham: andoriyu: http://expressjs.com/guide.html#route-middleware
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[04:58] andoriyu: oh, that's easy
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[05:00] JWarm: Sorry to repost this guys, but I've just installed forever (npm install forever -g) but when I try to run it I get this error: Cannot find module '../build/default/daemon'
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[05:00] JWarm: Any solutions or links would be super appreciated!
[05:00] lovesh: have a trouble installing socket.io from npm. someone has a minute?
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[05:04] lovesh: @meso hi have a minute?
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[05:07] Aikar: SubStack: if im reading it right, node-markov stores the db in memory?, any plans to make it read from a db on .respond() etc to not store entire db in memory?
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[05:08] davidbanham: JWarm: lovesh: Could you both put your full error outputs in a gist? Really helps to have everything available when trying to diagnose this kind of thing.
[05:08] JWarm: Sure 
[05:09] lovesh: yes 
[05:09] crescendo|laptop: Anyone have an example of using express.js routing for faye channel subscriptions?
[05:09] lovesh: @davidbanham> but the error lisying is very long.should i enter it here?
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[05:10] davidbanham: lovesh: No, pop it in a gist and then just give us the URL to it. https://gist.github.com/
[05:10] lovesh: ok doing that
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[05:11] JWarm: davidbanham: http://jsfiddle.net/jwarmkessel/wYFKV/
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[05:12] lovesh: @davidbanham here is the url https://gist.github.com/1226006
[05:12] JWarm: I'm running node 0.5.8-pre
[05:13] davidbanham: JWarm: Looks like it hasn't installed its dependencies correctly. Tried npm install -g daemon ?
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[05:13] JWarm: not yet..should i specify a version or is "daemon" good
[05:13] lovesh: ok
[05:13] davidbanham: JWarm: Just try daemon, first. There's every chance that 0.5 will break it, though.
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[05:15] JWarm: Still getting the same error
[05:15] davidbanham: lovesh: I have absolutely no idea what is going on there.
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[05:15] lovesh: @davidbanham daemon istalled successfully
[05:16] davidbanham: JWarm: It might just be that daemon or forever or both are broken on 0.5 Maybe try installing 0.4.11 and see what happens?
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[05:16] JWarm: Okay, what is the cleanest way to delete the current version of node?
[05:16] davidbanham: lovesh: Sorry, I was telling JWarm to install daemon. I have no idea at all what will help the issues you're seeing.
[05:16] JWarm: can  i just rm the node file?
[05:16] lovesh: but the same error with installing socket.io
[05:17] lovesh: @davidbanham ok 
[05:17] davidbanham: JWarm: Not sure if it's completely kosher or not, but I've just installed over the top of it in the past and not had any problems. Node is pretty clean in the way it installs.
[05:17] JWarm: Cool, thanks!
[05:18] SubStack: Aikar: no plans to do that, I only use node-markov for silly rap battles
[05:18] lovesh: @@issacs i have some trouble installing socket.io with npm have a minute
[05:18] SubStack: Aikar: but if you want to make the backend pluggable, pull requests accepted!
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[05:23] lovesh: @stash1 hi
[05:24] stash1: hi?
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[05:27] blueadept`: anyone know how i can get my JSON data formatted like it's structure instead of on a 1 line? http://pastie.org/private/kgol7xaxrnnyslsrku7g
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[05:31] Aikar: blueadept`: JSON.stringify(json, true) prettifies it
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[05:33] blueadept`: hm
[05:33] blueadept`: still didn't work
[05:34] blueadept`: hm
[05:34] blueadept`: JSON.stringify(a, null, '\t') works 
[05:34] blueadept`: but only in curl 
[05:34] JWarm: Hey David, I tried installing node 0.4 over 0.5 and did this: node --version (output still: node 0.5)
[05:35] JWarm: So I removed the files and tried installing again, but now I can't find node at all anymore. I used this example: http://davestevens.us/articles/setting-up-nodejs-on-webfaction-revised
[05:35] blueadept`: doesn't seem like the right way to do it though
[05:35] chapel: blueadept`: where are you outputting the data?
[05:35] chapel: or where do you want it to be formatted?
[05:36] blueadept`: having it formatted for curl is fine, and it works if i stringify it, but i'd rather have the JSON formatted without stringifying it
[05:36] JWarm: Nevermind.. I tried something different and its working again
[05:37] blueadept`: chapel: i'm just outputting it into terminal
[05:37] chapel: is it json already?
[05:37] blueadept`: yes
[05:37] blueadept`: hm, wait, perhaps not
[05:37] blueadept`: it's an object, but not json per se
[05:38] chapel: then just util.inspect or console.dir it
[05:38] blueadept`: ah
[05:40] blueadept`: yeah that's it
[05:40] blueadept`: awesome, ty
[05:40] JWarm: Hey guys, I just tried installing Forever on my ubuntu 11.4 server and node 0.4 and it's not working.  I get an error about something with the Daemon module. 
[05:40] JWarm: Would you guys recommend going with upstart instead?
[05:40] JWarm: Forever was pretty highly rated, but I can't get it working.
[05:41] JWarm: Here's the error: http://jsfiddle.net/jwarmkessel/wYFKV/
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[05:41] JWarm: If anyone has a solution for this that would be awesome. If not, do you guys recommend upstart?
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[05:50] Aikar: TypeError: Illegal access to a strict mode caller function.
[05:50] Aikar: err, tried my code on 0.5.7
[05:50] Aikar: why is strict mode getting enforced on my code?
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[06:01] blueadept`: chapel: do you know if there is a way to do pretty json with res.json ?
[06:01] blueadept`: using express
[06:01] JWarm: Does anyone have any experience using upstart on ubuntu 11.4?
[06:01] chapel: umm, thats up to the receiving end
[06:01] chapel: any formatting you do would break the json
[06:01] shedinja: Is there a simple node.js smtp server for unit testing? I'm testing a service that sends an email and I want to confirm that the email is send and want to be able to read it.
[06:02] JWarm: I just modified the upstart-udev-bridge.conf file and it's not working
[06:02] JWarm: I deleted the entire content and replaced it with an example I found online: http://howtonode.org/deploying-node-upstart-monit
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[06:05] Aikar: any idea why im getting strict errors on 0.5.7 but not 0.4.12? I didn't put "use strict" anywhere.. 
[06:05] Aikar: i checked node source, cant find what could be doing it
[06:05] andoriyu: Aboyt deploy — https://github.com/nodejitsu/haibu might be useful
[06:05] andoriyu: about*
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[06:09] blueadept`: chapel: figured it out, stringify then set contentType to 'json'
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[06:12] andoriyu: blueadept`, if you have ruby — gem install json and then send ugly json into the pipe "| prettify_json.rb"
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[06:24] andoriyu: another question about expess.js and auth
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[06:25] andoriyu: I'm trying to make my own middleware for auth, in adition to express.basicAuth
[06:26] andoriyu: before I performe basciAuth i want to perform tokey auth, and if client already recived cleranc I wanto skip basicAuth
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[07:35] dexter_e: Anyone know how to limit the  use(static)  to only match files in one route?
[07:36] dexter_e: basically prevent static file lookups for everything except /static/
[07:36] Emmanuel: do you guys know of a web crawler that interprets JS ?
[07:37] AAA_awright: Like Googlebot?
[07:37] Emmanuel: I'm suppose to scrap a website who was generated to avoid SEO
[07:37] Emmanuel: (I'm not kidding)
[07:37] Emmanuel: all the links are javascript string, concatenated then ducoment.written
[07:37] Emmanuel: AAA_awright: maybe
[07:37] AAA_awright: Googlebot does run scripts on pages
[07:37] Emmanuel: so basically I want something that get the page, built the DOM by executing the JS
[07:38] AAA_awright: That doesn't mean it's a good idea
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[07:38] Emmanuel_: d'oh
[07:38] dexter_e: Emmanuel: JSDOM+Jquery works great
[07:38] Emmanuel_: yeah, but I'll have to write it :)
[07:39] dexter_e: Well, you'll have to know what you're looking for
[07:39] dexter_e: It will be easy to snapshot the state of the page
[07:40] Emmanuel`: then I loop through all the links
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[07:40] Emmanuel`: and start again
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[07:44] Emmanuel`: well, I guess I'll come up with something with JSDOM
[07:44] Emmanuel`: 
ACTION has bad memories of doing stuff with JSDOM

[07:45] dexter_e: really ?
[07:45] dexter_e: like what
[07:45] Emmanuel`: but I reckon it is freakingly awesome
[07:45] Emmanuel`: like understanding how it works :)
[07:45] Emmanuel`: but this case should be simpler
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[07:45] Emmanuel`: don't even need jquery I think
[07:45] Emmanuel`: just generate the DOM, save it, parse links, start again
[07:46] Emmanuel`: just a bit of logic to avoid processing several time the same page
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[07:48] [AD]Turbo: hi there
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[07:56] dexter_e: Yeah good call
[07:56] nuck: So, mikeal got quoted in Brendan Eich's presentation haha
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[07:58] Skola: Are there any sublime text 2 plugins yet for node.js
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[08:30] niftylettuce: Skola: what are you looking for exactly?
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[08:31] Glenjamin: Nuck: the harmony summary one?
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[08:31] Nuck: Glenjamin: Huh?
[08:31] Nuck: >_>
[08:31] Nuck: <_>
[08:31] Glenjamin: oh, time delay
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[08:31] Glenjamin: heh - nuck	So, mikeal got quoted in Brendan Eich's presentation haha
[08:32] Glenjamin: which presentation?
[08:32] Nuck: Glenjamin: At capjs iirc
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[08:32] hermanjunge: anybody here is on expressjs / jade?
[08:33] hermanjunge: want to see how he/she configured vim
[08:33] Epeli: hermanjunge:  o/
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[08:37] hermanjunge: good
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[08:37] hermanjunge: what conf did you put to avoid making tabs at new lines?
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[08:38] TheJH_phone: Yaaay! “npm star“ :)
[08:39] TheJH_phone: Isaacs already starred mikeals “request“ :D
[08:40] Glenjamin: npm star?
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[08:41] TheJH_phone: Glenjamin, look at request in the registry, “people who starred npm“
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[08:42] TheJH_phone: Glenjamin, the command for that is in npm master, but not in the current release
[08:42] mikola: Hi, is anyone awake at this odd hour?
[08:42] TheJH_phone: mikola, 10:42 here, im at school :(
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[08:43] mikola: ok, I was wondering if there was a good way to tie together two connections in dnode
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[08:43] mikola: for example, I have a process which is acting as a gateway, and a number of worker processes
[08:43] mikola: I would like to accept a connection at the gateway, then pass it off to one of the workers
[08:44] mikola: though perhaps this is not an amazingly great idea
[08:44] Glenjamin: it might be simpler to use nginx for that - assuming this is a cluster of web servers
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[08:45] mikola: hmmm
[08:45] mikola: well, it is kind of a hobby project so I suppose I won't worry about it for now
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[08:46] TheJH_phone: mikola, you can pass a callback from one worker to another
[08:46] mikola: yeah, but it would introduce some overhead
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[08:46] mikola: due to copying data through the center node twice
[08:47] mikola: also passing the interface between the two dnode processes would be a bit annoying
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[08:47] mikola: the main issue actually is figuring out how to get the RPC stuff to show up on the server on the other side of the router, if that makes any sense
[08:47] mikola: ah, I am tired and I guess it probably won't matter so at this point I figure I might as well just leave it alone for now
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[08:48] Skola: niftylettuce: a bit late, but anything really
[08:48] Skola: actually not just node.js related
[08:49] Skola: but I've just switched from vim to ST
[08:49] Skola: and I'm trying to find out what's out theree
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[08:50] niftylettuce: Skola: https://github.com/uipoet/sublime-jshint
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[08:50] niftylettuce: Skola: http://www.sublimetext.com/docs/plugin-examples
[08:50] niftylettuce: Skola: gl
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[08:51] niftylettuce: build snippets and then bind to hotkeys, workflow hyperspeed
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[09:48] jadeco: hi 
[09:48] jadeco: i done a 'sudo npm install xx' .. where can i find the installed package ? 
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[09:53] jadeco: hi all 
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[10:08] eldios: how do I use a value inside the package.json? file= fs.ReadFileSync(file) ; var value = file.value ;
[10:09] Glenjamin: JSON.parse
[10:09] eldios: how do I use a value inside the package.json? file= JSON.parse(fs.ReadFileSync(file)) ; var value = file.value ;
[10:09] eldios: uops sorry
[10:09] eldios: file= JSON.parse(fs.ReadFileSync(file)) ; var value = file.value ;
[10:09] eldios: like this?
[10:09] Glenjamin: yup
[10:09] eldios: k thanks
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[10:22] pgherveou: hello there I am building a module I would like to require in different locations in my app how do I make sure the class I define inside the module is created only once is there some kind of singleton pattern I should use ?
[10:23] Glenjamin: why do you think you need a singleton?
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[10:24] konobi: pgherveou: all required modules are only loaded once
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[10:26] pgherveou: so if I instanciate an object and export it in my module second call to require will just give me te object without creating a second time ?
[10:27] SubStack: correct
[10:27] Glenjamin: yeah, but singletons are generally a pain to test properly
[10:27] bergie: pgherveoy: What I do in NoFlo  to solve this is: exports.getComponent = -> new Component
[10:28] pgherveou: that works for me, do you have any resource to point me so I can understand the process better
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[10:28] pgherveou: bergie what if my constructor take parameters ?
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[10:31] pgherveou: supid question got you
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[10:51] xerox: I refuse
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[10:52] andrewthemerry: lol
[10:52] andrewthemerry: trying to work this webchat 
[10:52] andrewthemerry: to ask about fatal errors
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[10:59] weepy: hi - I want to stream a file that's being written live. E.g. a bit like tail -f 
[11:00] weepy: the trouble is that once the read stream gets to the end - it emits an "end" event and no more reads happen
[11:00] weepy: anyone know how to get around this ?
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[11:02] netlemur_: weepy, you have to watch the file for changes
[11:03] weepy: thanks netlemur_ , so fs.watchFile( "", -) 
[11:04] netlemur_: weepy, https://github.com/cloudkick/cast/blob/develop/lib/util/tail.js perhaps that helps
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[11:04] chjj: weepy: yeah you could do that, it will get a little more complicated because youll want to open the file and directly read the last few bytes that were written
[11:05] netlemur_: I use that for a monitoring app that reads logfiles and outputs graphs
[11:05] netlemur_: in realtime
[11:05] weepy: aah sweet
[11:05] weepy: im generating audio
[11:05] weepy: and i want to stream it in real time to an audiotag
[11:05] weepy: right now it's appending to a tmp.wav file
[11:05] netlemur_: oh. don't know anything about audio :-)
[11:06] weepy: it's basically the same
[11:06] netlemur_: what's writing into the file? sounds interesting
[11:07] weepy: ive written a little audio processing language in C++ and Lua
[11:07] weepy: so im running it as a child process to a node server
[11:08] weepy: then im streaming the audio back to the client
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[11:12] Glenjamin: could you have the script write back down stdout instead of via a file?
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[11:14] weepy: Glenjamin: yes - stout is a file essentially - why do you ask ?
[11:18] Glenjamin: if you had the C++ process pipe the data over stdout, you wouldn't get an end event unless you closed the stream
[11:19] Glenjamin: the problems you're having seem to be because of the file as an intermediary
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[11:19] weepy: oh i see
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[11:19] weepy: the process is Lua
[11:20] weepy: im using stdout for reporting events back
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[11:20] weepy: it would be great to be able to open a file as a stream ? 
[11:21] Glenjamin: you can, but theres no way to know if its a clean end or not if the lua process is still writing it seems
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[11:23] weepy: is it possible to just assume that it never ends
[11:23] weepy: need createReadStream allowHalfOpen: true 
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[11:57] josch: hi, I need CoAP support for node - would a patch that adds this functionality desirable?
[11:57] josch: I would implement it using libcoap
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[11:58] hkjels: how can I check if a user has homebrew installed using node?
[11:59] hkjels: try { exec } or is there a better way..?
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[11:59] konobi: josch: doubtful that it would go in core... any reason you couldn't implement it as an npm module?
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[12:00] josch: konobi: no, i was just wondering if as module or not
[12:01] konobi: yeah, i'd go for it as a module
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[12:24] tom123: Anyone here use Mongoose?
[12:25] tom123: I have a question about populate;
[12:25] tom123: How do I create a query that populates recursively?
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[12:27] xavier__: Hi, want to write a node.js module to access civicrm api. Which of the existing API modules you find the best? I'm looking for "inspiration" and in the mood of stealing with pride ;)
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[12:29] Raynos: If someone says "Hey we should have file based routing like PHP". And he does not see reason. How does one shut him down
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[12:30] Raynos: Is there actually good reason to want file based routing?
[12:30] Morkel: Does anyone know a service like archive.org
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[12:36] Glenjamin: Raynos: who's "we" in this scenario?
[12:36] Glenjamin: there's no reason some middleware couldn't do file-based routing
[12:37] Raynos: "we" he was implying file based routing should be a defacto standard for everyone.
[12:38] Glenjamin: well thats silly
[12:38] Raynos: But I see your point, it wouldnt be too hard to do it with middleware
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[13:28] Aikar: hmm weird. Optimist takes 176ms to load through Traceur O.o.. i really like traceur but really starting to doubt being able to use it if performance is gonna be this bad
[13:29] Aikar: i guess ima have to just fall back to joose
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[13:38] cclever: Hi there. Does anyone know about a way to access php sessions from node.js stored in memcache. I want to authenticate a user by checking, if there is a valid session for him
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[13:53] blueadept: anyone know that the node-validator npm is broken?
[13:53] blueadept: https://github.com/chriso/node-validator
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[13:53] c4milo: `3rdEden: hey 
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[13:54] c4milo: `3rdEden: if you happen to be thinking on implementing a pure javascript version of orderly, let me know :)
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[13:55] `3rdEden: Hello
[13:55] `3rdEden: c4milo i actually gave up and went with my own schema validator
[13:56] `3rdEden: I want to use javascript to validate my code, not JSON or a other compiled language
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[13:57] `3rdEden: c4milo this is my current schema validation: https://gist.github.com/1226543
[13:58] `3rdEden: and then it's just validate(json).against('randomschemaexportname')
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[13:59] c4milo: I see 
[13:59] c4milo: `3rdEden: what does mongoose use? 
[14:00] `3rdEden: c4milo they only restict types like author: String, date:Date
[14:00] `3rdEden: which is to simple for my usecase
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[14:01] `3rdEden: and i don't like the syntax ;$
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[14:08] c4milo: `3rdEden: I don't like the syntax either 
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[14:10] jetienne: node rocks
[14:11] netlemur_: hello guys
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[14:12] netlemur_: I'm want to build a small app for file uploads + progress bar. Do you know if that was already done with node?
[14:12] netlemur_: s/I'm/I
[14:12] c4milo: `3rdEden: I like orderly actually, but it's a bummer that it's written in C : / 
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[14:13] jetienne: netlemur: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6366463/nodejs-express-and-file-uploading this may help
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[14:14] `3rdEden: c4milo http://zaach.github.com/orderly.js/
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[14:16] netlemur_: jetienne: thanks! looking into connect-form...
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[14:17] c4milo: `3rdEden: ah, that's great, thanks man 
[14:17] netlemur_: I guess I could send the progress status with socket.io to the client. this is going to be fun :-)
[14:17] jetienne: `3rdEden: interesting
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[14:20] nuck: Wow.  Isaacs' new twitterpic looks so... normal?
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[14:21] Aikar: im having an issue where node.js v0.5.7 is enforcing "use strict" on my modules. 0.4.12 doesnt do it. I searched node source for "use strict" and i cant see what could be causing it... any ideas?
[14:21] nuck: No neckbeard.
[14:21] `3rdEden: jetienne which part is interesting ;o
[14:21] nuck: I'm amazed.
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[14:21] `3rdEden: lol.
[14:21] nuck: izs has no neckbeard, what the hell.
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[14:21] jetienne: `3rdEden: the fact people tries to put some order in json by coding verifiers of the formats
[14:21] vpereira: questions about express can be asked here?
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[14:22] nuck: jetienne: If you need a verifier, there's a problem.
[14:22] jetienne: `3rdEden: it is usefull when you have a lot of json. especially when you change the format
[14:22] nuck: If somebody wrote a spec for JSON, it'd be 5 lines long
[14:22] jetienne: nuck: yep this problem is called 'human programming'
[14:22] `3rdEden: jetienne i'm using it as validator for receiving json. So i know it's not tampert with
[14:23] nuck: jetienne: I have a great syntax checker
[14:23] `3rdEden: not for database schemas
[14:23] nuck: It's my syntax highlighter
[14:23] c4milo: jetienne: it's useful to control what you get through your services 
[14:23] c4milo: jetienne: rest services (json) 
[14:23] jetienne: `3rdEden: c4milo: exactly my opinion
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[14:24] blueadept: anybody use this method for json validation? http://davidwalsh.name/json-validation
[14:25] jetienne: i need a cool name for a dead-simple physical  3D engine. any idea ?
[14:25] davidwalsh: JSON Schema is pretty sweet
[14:25] blueadept: by that i mean the commonjs-utils method
[14:25] joshkehn: I've used it.
[14:25] blueadept: oh hey its david walsh
[14:25] blueadept: hah
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[14:25] nuck: haha
[14:25] nuck: beautiful
[14:25] joshkehn: Pretty good for enforcing a schema on JSON. The spec is pretty easy to follow as well.
[14:25] nuck: Dontcha just love how that happens in here?
[14:26] nuck: You ask about a piece of JS and the maker responds
[14:26] blueadept: that happens a lot in here btw
[14:26] blueadept: too often
[14:27] nuck: haha inorite
[14:27] nuck: blueadept: And it's not even just that we have 5 module makers
[14:27] slicky: davidwalsh++
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[14:27] nuck: Ah fuck
[14:27] nuck: 
ACTION brings v8bot back

[14:27] slicky: herm
[14:27] slicky: heh
[14:27] slicky: Love david's blog.
[14:28] Fabryz: does node.js/express have anything to minify on-the-fly js code sent to the client?
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[14:28] slickplaid: davidwalsh++
[14:28] v8bot_:  slickplaid has given a beer to davidwalsh. davidwalsh now has 1 beers.
[14:28] slickplaid: tada :D
[14:28] nuck: :D
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[14:28] slickplaid: ty nuck
[14:28] nuck: Yeah, internet cut out late last night
[14:28] davidwalsh: 
ACTION chugs it

[14:28] eldios: will anyone be @ nodejaconf.it this saturday?
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[14:29] eldios: nodejsconf.it
[14:29] slickplaid: eldios, nawp, not in my area.
[14:29] CIA-54: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r243c218 10/ lib/tls.js : tls: remove superfluous setOptions() call - http://git.io/BcPlzQ
[14:29] eldios: ^^
[14:29] nuck: Well, off I go to take a shower and then learn some business.
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[14:29] slickplaid: I have 4 hours of conference calls to take today. meh.
[14:30] Fabryz: found https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/modules
[14:30] slickplaid: davidwalsh: Will we be seeing a lot more node.js stuff on your site now? :D
[14:31] davidwalsh: I'd like to but in all honesty, I don't have much time to work with Node
[14:31] davidwalsh: Though I'd like to do a few MooTools + Node posts
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[14:32] slickplaid: very nice
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[14:44] CIA-54: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r3aa1975 10/ wscript : build: make wscript work with python 2.4 - http://git.io/cqNDug
[14:44] Aikar: https://github.com/aikar/nodeib/blob/master/lib/NodeIB/NodeIB.js#L21  anyone know why this line under node v0.5.7 is triggering strict errors even when you can see i havent defined "use strict" anywhere...? is something in V8 changed about using arguments.callee?
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[14:46] blueadept: would anyone know why I might be getting a TypeError with this? http://pastie.org/private/xpr5grrgiwogzcowvw69g
[14:47] blueadept: davidwalsh: might you know?
[14:47] joshkehn: I think I do
[14:48] joshkehn: Because you haven't specified it as an array.
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[14:48] joshkehn: The last time I was writing a JSON schema you had to say "type":"array" and then "item" : {"type":"object", "properties" : ....
[14:48] blueadept: it has "items" there, doesn't that specify it?
[14:49] blueadept: hm
[14:49] joshkehn: Oh shoot me. I missed that nesting. 
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[14:49] blueadept: it says typeError: object is not a function, but i'm not sure what it's talking about
[14:49] joshkehn: Normally the validator gets pretty specific. Are you printing out all the messages?
[14:49] jetienne: this is cute, it makes json almost as cute as xml :)
[14:49] joshkehn: Maybe `validate` isn't a function?
[14:50] blueadept: it is
[14:50] blueadept: i can see it in the function tree
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[14:51] blueadept: hm
[14:51] blueadept: i thinking i might just go with this: https://github.com/chriso/node-validator
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[14:51] blueadept: sanitation + validation
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[14:58] blueadept: joshkehn: figured it out, you were write, i wasn't chaining .validate to my commonjs-utils require 
[14:58] blueadept: right* 
[14:58] joshkehn: ;)
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[14:59] CIA-54: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r8f6f324 10/ common.gypi : 
[14:59] CIA-54: libuv: build: use -m32 only when host_arch != target_arch
[14:59] CIA-54: libuv: Unbreaks the gyp build on x86_64 linux systems. - http://git.io/TxMHDA
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[15:05] TheJH_phone: DrMcKay, isaacs pulled my npm use thing, it's xalled npm star now
[15:05] TheJH_phone: *called
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[15:06] benperth: hi
[15:06] joshkehn: benperth: Hi
[15:07] benperth: I have a list of around about 100 users, which needs to be sorted based on their points... Would it be best to do this on the server and push the result to all users, or is it wiser to push the raw data to the clients and have it sorted on the client side?
[15:07] joshkehn: 100 users? 
[15:07] benperth: 100 players in a game
[15:07] joshkehn: That's easy to do client side.
[15:08] blueadept: as a side note though, anyone know why npm install validator is failing?
[15:08] joshkehn: blueadept: What does npm say?
[15:08] benperth: yeah, i guess i'm asking what the best principle is - to make the client side do as much processing as possible to take load off the server?
[15:08] blueadept: failed to fetch https://registry.npmjs.org/validator/-/validator-0.2.8.tgz
[15:08] blueadept: if you check the url, there's a cert warning, but thats all i can gather
[15:08] blueadept: error 404 it says
[15:09] blueadept: oh wait
[15:09] panfist: j #lopsa
[15:09] blueadept: haha
[15:09] joshkehn: Cert warning is probably what's preventing it.
[15:09] panfist: sorry
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[15:09] blueadept: yeah its totally gone
[15:09] Glenjamin: sort them on insert and always return the sorted list :p
[15:09] blueadept: reason: Document is missing attachement
[15:09] blueadept: wtf
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[15:09] joshkehn: Glenjamin: Only works if you pull the list out and resort it.
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[15:10] benperth: joshkehn, mind if i PM you?
[15:10] joshkehn: benperth: No problem.
[15:11] Glenjamin: well yeah, but the question was what's the optimal way, and the answer is to sort once and store the result
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[15:12] CIA-54: libuv: unix: Fix uv_getaddrinfo from deleting invalid data
[15:12] CIA-54: libuv: If the uv_getaddrinfo_t handle is owned by its
[15:12] CIA-54: libuv: data pointer, deleting the data in the callback
[15:12] CIA-54: libuv: could cause uv_getaddrinfo_done to call freeaddrinfo
[15:12] CIA-54: libuv: on an invalid pointer. - http://git.io/c4kcwQ
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[15:13] joshkehn: Glenjamin: I would call that a premature optimization. ;)
[15:13] joshkehn: You have 100 users.
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[15:13] joshkehn: It's easier to just sort on the client.
[15:14] joshkehn: And if you're sorting the users you might have other sort options, making it easier to keep the sorting client side.
[15:14] joshkehn: Anything <1k I don't see a problem sorting client side.
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[15:14] benperth: yeah, was thinking the same. I guess will have to do some benchmarking to see when the processing get's too much for client side
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[15:14] benperth: thanks
[15:15] spasquali: anyone else have trouble compiling on CentOS 6?
[15:15] joshkehn: spasquali: People still use Cent? 
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[15:15] spasquali: joshkehn: about 100 or so
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[15:18] DrMcKay: TheJH_phone: great :).
[15:19] DrMcKay: 
ACTION goes to star things in npm

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[15:21] guy: npm WARN prefer global forever@0.6.7 should be installed with -g
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[15:21] guy: I get this error after typing npm install forever
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[15:21] guy: anything I should care about?
[15:22] netlemur_: guy: well. you could install it with "-g" :-=
[15:22] netlemur_: :-)
[15:22] guy: what would it do?
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[15:23] netlemur_: -g = global afaik
[15:23] TheJH_phone: guy, do you want to have forever as command or as module?
[15:23] guy: yeah, I get that. but what that'd change?
[15:23] TheJH_phone: -g for command
[15:23] guy: TheJH_phone: I am pretty sure that's CLI only. Don't imagine how'd work as a module..
[15:23] CIA-54: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r37e8bf2 10/ src/unix/core.c : unix: fix dangling pointer free() bug - http://git.io/gdaLRQ
[15:23] guy: anyway, I reinstalled it with -g.
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[15:24] TheJH_phone: DrMcKay, did you see npm star?
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[15:27] guy: when trying to long run the script using forever, I got the following error
[15:27] guy: Error: Cannot find module '../build/default/daemon'
[15:27] guy: so, is it as simple as npm install daemon
[15:27] guy: ?
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[15:27] TheJH_phone: guy, i dont think so
[15:28] guy: TheJH_phone: what is it then?
[15:28] bEEEviz: uhm guys
[15:28] guy: https://gist.github.com/4ce174388eeec7f2ead9
[15:28] bEEEviz: i'm trying to load a .txt file via fs.readFile()
[15:28] guy: the full error looks like this
[15:28] TheJH_phone: guy, i'd say maybe forever is broken
[15:28] bEEEviz: but data seems to contain hex data instead of my plain text content
[15:29] bEEEviz: can anyone tell me how to do it right?
[15:29] Glenjamin: so, wacky idea: Function.prototype.bindThis = function() { this.bind.call(this, arguments) } - thoughts?
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[15:29] TheJH_phone: Beeeviz, you forgot to specify an encoding
[15:30] bEEEviz: ah, that's necessary?
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[15:30] guy: ok. how do I delete forever?
[15:31] TheJH_phone: Beeeviz, you get a buffer otherwise
[15:31] bEEEviz: yep
[15:31] TheJH_phone: guy, nom uninstall forever -g
[15:31] bEEEviz: and what if i dont know the encoding of the file? just use utf-8 or is there a way to determine a file's encoding?
[15:31] TheJH_phone: Npm
[15:32] TheJH_phone: Beeeviz, not sure
[15:32] guy: Ok. I've tried unstailling it & installing again. No good.
[15:32] DrMcKay: TheJH_phone: it can be done only from cli, right?
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[15:33] TheJH_phone: DrMcKay, at the moment, yes
[15:33] bEEEviz: another question. where can i find documentation about how to create own libraries?
[15:33] TheJH_phone: guy, maybe try an older version of forever
[15:34] TheJH_phone: Beeeviz, the npm docs
[15:34] bEEEviz: i've created a js library which runs in a browser (and makes use of the window global) but not in node
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[15:34] bEEEviz: i'll have a look. thanks
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[15:38] guy: Checking for node path                   : not found
[15:38] guy: I've just noticed this in the log, while installing Forever
[15:39] rpeterson1: bnoordhuis: okay, so Python update didn't fix the issue
[15:39] guy: https://gist.github.com/5beaccce994068b0a68a
[15:39] guy: this is how I installed node.js/npm
[15:40] context: do you have node installed ?
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[15:40] context: why are you installing HEAD of both ?
[15:41] blup: start-uppers/entrepreneurs: i have a nodejs product id like to launch, but ive never gone about it. could someone pm to help me with a couple of questions?
[15:41] jetienne: blup: why not ask here ?
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[15:42] rpeterson1: bnoordhuis: nm, was poiting to wrong python path
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[15:42] blup: jetienne: didn't think it was relevant to the channel
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[15:42] bnoordhuis: rpeterson1: okay, glad you got it solved
[15:42] DrMcKay: ugh. can I query custom DNS server with node?
[15:42] context: node is pretty relevant to node
[15:42] TheJH_phone: blup, everyone asks questions here
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[15:42] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: not right now
[15:42] jetienne: blup: shoot
[15:43] jetienne: blup: if not relelvant we may point you in another direction
[15:43] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: gah. want a patch or is it WONTFIX?
[15:43] blup: well, i'm wondering whether i have to make a company to make ad profit, and eventually premium memberships
[15:44] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: it's on the list of todo's - it needs to be a libuv patch though
[15:44] jetienne: blup: ah ok this is about business model ? yep this channel may not be the most suitable. try #startups
[15:44] p4r0: Someone know what exactly is the "library z" required by node-compress and gzbz2 and where node-waf is looking for it ?
[15:44] blup: jetienne: thanks :)
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[15:44] bnoordhuis: p4r0: it's libz, a compression library, installed on most any unix system
[15:45] Glenjamin: p4r0: probably zlib
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[15:45] rpeterson1: bnoordhuis: spoke too soon
[15:45] p4r0: i've installed zlib-dev pkg but node-waf doesn't seem find it
[15:45] rpeterson1: failed again, just seemed to get a little further
[15:46] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: this will take some time but I will try :)
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[15:46] p4r0: maybe it's a path issue with my debian 64 bit, but i don't know where it's searching for it
[15:46] dingomanatee: the "business_model" module is not available before Node 5. It's not considered "Stable" :D
[15:46] guy: https://gist.github.com/51f8250ead0b2b86ee46 when I do this. does this mean that the node.js was installed in /root/node/[..] or somewhere else?
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[15:48] bnoordhuis: rpeterson1: can you gist the build log?
[15:48] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: ping me when you get started on it, probably needs some fine-tuning so it doesn't bite other work-in-progress
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[15:49] rpeterson1: bnoordhuis: yeah, I am trying with ./configure --snaptshots=off here
[15:49] rpeterson1: once its done I will gist the latest for you here
[15:50] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: libuv/src/ares is a dependency or, right?
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[15:50] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: it's bundled
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[15:51] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: yes, I just wanted to know it touching it was a no-no
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[15:51] guy: anyone?
[15:51] DrMcKay: guy: sup?
[15:52] guy: https://gist.github.com/51f8250ead0b2b86ee46 when I do this. does this mean that the node.js was installed in /root/node/[..] or somewhere else?
[15:52] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: you mean patching it? only if the changes get accepted in upstream c-ares too
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[15:52] cclever: HI there, I am fetching a PHP-Session from memcache to authorize the current user. Can anyone tell me how to parse the php session to json?
[15:52] DrMcKay: guy: no, it's probably in /usr/local/bin/node
[15:52] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: OK, thank you
[15:52] bnoordhuis: cclever: are you looking for #php?
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[15:53] Glenjamin: cclever: try the PHP folks, i assume there's a channel on freenode
[15:53] daveo: i'm trying to install node.js on a linuxmint-xfce install (debian based) and configure runs fine, but make errors out with collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[15:53] cclever: no, javascript
[15:53] context: ...
[15:54] context: no you said php.
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[15:54] context: you should read what you type before pressing the enter button
[15:54] daveo: ld cannot find -luv  (well, I'm not getting love either)
[15:54] context: so install libuv
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[15:54] daveo: I cloned the git directory, should i have cloned specific branch or something?
[15:55] cclever: PHP puts the session to memcache. On node.js I get the somehow serialized php-session as a string.
[15:55] bEEEviz: guys, i'm trying to use this piece of code in node
[15:55] bEEEviz: https://github.com/manuelbieh/Geolib/blob/master/geolib.js
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[15:55] bEEEviz: i have: var geolib = require('./geolib.js'); which works fine
[15:55] context: cclever: yes. you need to ask the 'php people' how the fuck the session is serialized. THEN you will have a better idea on how to de-serialize it.
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[15:56] bEEEviz: when i console.log(geolib) all methods and properties are shown correctly
[15:56] bEEEviz: but when i try to call a function using geolib.getDistance
[15:56] TheJH: cclever, you could at least give us an example of serialized stuff from php...
[15:56] context: daveo: you're asking the "node people" how do deal with your craptastic "php data"
[15:56] bEEEviz: my nodejs output says "undefined"
[15:56] context: err, cclever 
[15:56] bnoordhuis: daveo: libuv is bundled with node. can you gist the build log?
[15:57] context: im still wondering why they are installing from source
[15:57] daveo: bnoordhuis: i'm sorry don't know how to gist the build log
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[15:58] daveo: I copied out the errors at the end if that's what you mean...
[15:58] guy: https://gist.github.com/dc090f1e42178732de3c
[15:58] guy: ok
[15:58] guy: I keep getting this error no matter what I do
[15:58] DrMcKay: so, I wanted to see how REPL works
[15:58] DrMcKay: https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/lib/repl.js#L572
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[15:58] Fabryz: anyone can suggest a minification/caching module for express? better than minj, seems it's not updating the minified files
[15:58] TheJH: guy, which node version?
[15:59] guy: v0.5.8-pre
[15:59] TheJH: guy, well, there's your fault - you shouldn't use the latest master
[15:59] guy: ok.. all I did, was git clone git://github.com/joyent/node.git
[15:59] DrMcKay: guy: no no
[15:59] DrMcKay: guy: it's simple
[16:00] DrMcKay: guy: node-waf got changed at some point
[16:00] tbranyen: its also simple to fix the installation instructions as to not confuse every single person who is new to node
[16:00] DrMcKay: guy: give me a sec
[16:00] tbranyen: =(
[16:00] TheJH: guy, then do "git checkout v0.5.v0.5.7"
[16:00] tbranyen: TheJH: was node-waf removed?
[16:00] guy: 
ACTION waiting for what DrMcKay has to say

[16:00] TheJH: err, whoops
[16:00] DrMcKay: guy: also, do what TheJH says
[16:00] TheJH: guy, "git checkout v0.5.7" after you cloned
[16:00] DrMcKay: guy: wait, I'm looking on how I've fixed it
[16:01] guy: ok. though, first of all: I should delete everything I've already installed, right?
[16:01] context: do any of these people have an excuse for running -pre ?
[16:01] DrMcKay: guy: no
[16:01] DrMcKay: context: I do, but I don't
[16:02] bnoordhuis: i do and i do
[16:02] DrMcKay: though I 
[16:02] DrMcKay: though I do have it easily accessible
[16:02] context: my thought track is "if i cant build the source, i dont need to be using 'unreleased' code"
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[16:03] daveo: DrMcKay: so after cloning node.git then git checkout v0.5.v0.5.7 ? then configure/make/make install?
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[16:03] DrMcKay: guy: sudo mv /usr/local/lib/node_modules/forever/node_modules/daemon/build/Release /usr/local/lib/node_modules/forever/node_modules/daemon/build/default
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[16:03] bnoordhuis: daveo: are you a windows or a unix user?
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[16:03] DrMcKay: guy: this command should do it ^
[16:04] daveo: bnoordhuis: using linuxmint-xfce debian based
[16:04] rpeterson1: bnoordhuis: --snaptshots=off seemed to circumvent the issue now, I will test node once it buillds and see where things are
[16:04] bnoordhuis: daveo: oh right, you said that :)
[16:04] rpeterson1: bnoordhuis: spoke too soon, just failed with same error again
[16:04] bnoordhuis: daveo: either `git checkout v0.4.12` (stable) or `git checkout v0.5.7` (unstable)
[16:04] rpeterson1: bnoordhuis: let me gist it
[16:04] random123: Should you try to put all your "require" at the top, and use a method's instead if you need certain code to run a certain time, ie a require "start" function?
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[16:05] random123: Is there any convention about that, keeping all require at the top of source code?
[16:05] DrMcKay: random123: it's nice :)
[16:05] daveo: bnoordhuis: remove the cloned git.node first or from that directory?
[16:06] p4r0: i'm really about to kill a kitten on this "npm install compress" fail
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[16:06] daveo: I like git, but should really read up on it I'm thinking ...
[16:06] bnoordhuis: daveo: err... git.node? maybe rm what you have and do a fresh clone
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[16:06] context: wtf
[16:06] p4r0: i have zlib1g-dev installed but node-waf doesn't see it
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[16:07] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: you guys do git push --force sometimes? I'm kinda woried, because branch domains is a forced update
[16:07] p4r0: the msg i get is "Checking for library z                   : no such environment: default"
[16:07] daveo: bnoordhuis: righto I did the  git clone git://github.com/joyent/node.git
[16:07] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: only sometimes and only for very recent commits
[16:08] guy: https://gist.github.com/487395553c86d01b211b
[16:08] guy: how do I tell which one is stable?
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[16:08] bnoordhuis: daveo: good, now checkout the tag you want, v0.4.12 or v0.5.7
[16:08] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: I'm afraid of something when I see it.
[16:08] daveo: ok, thanks I'll try that
[16:08] context: guy: you install from a package and know its stable.
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[16:09] guy: context: what?
[16:09] DrMcKay: I think it's some primal fear humanship developed at the early ages.
[16:09] bnoordhuis: guy: 0.4.x is stable, 0.5.x is unstable a.k.a. dev
[16:09] rpeterson1: bnoordhius: https://gist.github.com/597191888e9d8ce680b3
[16:09] guy: so, should I use 0.4.7?
[16:09] guy: so, should I use 0.4.12*
[16:09] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: i like force push, i remember svn and its indestructible commits
[16:09] bnoordhuis: guy: if you want stable, yes
[16:10] context: guy: you tell us
[16:10] guy: bnoordhuis: and the tradeoff?
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[16:10] Glenjamin: there's a few things in 0.5.x which aren't in 0.4.x, but in general stuff seems to break
[16:10] rpeterson1: bnoordhius: this actually looks like a different issue now, hmm
[16:10] bnoordhuis: guy: you won't be one of the cool kids
[16:10] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: I like that git allows you to do so. git filter-branch saved my ass once. but there's something bad in it.
[16:11] bnoordhuis: guy: but you won't have to deal with mysterious failures either :)
[16:11] DrMcKay: but again, it may get you raptors.
[16:11] bnoordhuis: rpeterson1: yes, that really can't happen
[16:11] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: no, only goto does that
[16:11] bnoordhuis: rpeterson1: is that a 0.4.12 from source tarball?
[16:12] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: so `git push -f` gets you sharks?
[16:12] rpeterson1: yeah
[16:12] DrMcKay: no, sharks spawn when you try to dualboot BSD
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[16:12] guy: ok. let's play 0.4.12. though, is it easy to update/downgrade node.js?
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[16:12] rpeterson1: I can do it from git clone too as wel
[16:12] Glenjamin: git checkout v0.4.12 && make
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[16:12] Glenjamin: maybe a configure first, but yeah - it's easy enough
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[16:13] bnoordhuis: rpeterson1: the reason it can't happen is because i tested the tarball myself when we released it :/
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[16:13] bnoordhuis: rpeterson1: let me verify it
[16:13] guy: anyone?
[16:13] bnoordhuis: guy: yes, it's easy
[16:13] guy: good
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[16:14] rpeterson1: bnoordhuis: I fully expect it to be User error in some manner
[16:14] Glenjamin: DrMcKay: push -f is fine as long as no-one else is developing against that branch
[16:14] rpeterson1: I have never had an issue building node
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[16:15] DrMcKay: Glenjamin: I know. I'm just afraid.
[16:15] p4r0: anyone on debian 64 have successfully "npm install compress" out of the box ?
[16:15] bnoordhuis: rpeterson1: what version of g++ are you using?
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[16:16] rpeterson1: bnoordhius: gcc version 4.1.2 20080704 (Red Hat 4.1.2-50)
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[16:16] devinus: anybody having a problem compiling 0.5.7 on lion?
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[16:17] context: devinus: just use homebrew and watch everything just work.
[16:17] bnoordhuis: rpeterson1: can you upgrade to 4.5? i think you may be running into a gcc bug
[16:18] rpeterson1: sure, let me do that here
[16:18] devinus: context: using nvm
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[16:22] daveo: bnoordhuis: thankyou! it built (0.4.12) and installed fine. one question is npm builtin or installed seperately?
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[16:23] Aikar: anyone know what might be enforcing "use strict" on my modules when im not specifying it with node v0.5.7? doesnt error in 0.4.12
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[16:24] p4r0: here's my npm error when i try to "npm install compress": http://pastebin.com/DapTMVWV any clues ?
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[16:24] bnoordhuis: daveo: it's a separate program
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[16:25] nibblebot: tjholowaychuk: having trouble with cluster.in('devevelopment').listen(3000).in('staging').listen(3020) throwing an error. it seems .listen() is not returning a copy of master, have you seen this before?
[16:25] daveo: bnoordhuis: thanks, google should find it right?
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[16:26] CIA-54: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07domains * r9acb93f 10/ src/node.cc : Do not try-catch in MakeCallback when using domains - http://git.io/QolMQw
[16:26] CIA-54: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07domains * rb8023a7 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Stop lazy loading domains - http://git.io/TWGIHg
[16:26] CIA-54: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07domains * r7d5b38e 10/ (lib/domains.js lib/net_uv.js lib/timers_uv.js): surround a bunch of stuff with domains.enable branches - http://git.io/t1w8fw
[16:26] CIA-54: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07domains * r983d421 10/ test/simple/test-domains3.js : add another domain test - broken - http://git.io/MdyfXw
[16:26] bnoordhuis: daveo: yes, or http://npmjs.org/
[16:26] p4r0: daveo: curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sh
[16:26] daveo: bnoordhuis: thanks again
[16:27] daveo: p4r0: oh, even simpler thanks
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[16:30] zastaph: i presume it's ok that port.h, event.h and kqueue are not found with ./configure
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[16:31] bnoordhuis: zastaph: depends on your OS
[16:31] zastaph: ubuntu server LTS
[16:32] bnoordhuis: yes, that's okay - node uses epoll on linux
[16:32] zastaph: i had to apt-get install pkg-config to make it detect openssl
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[16:32] hkjels: Is there a ´which´ or ´wheris´-command in node?
[16:33] hkjels: `whereas` even
[16:33] hkjels: man
[16:33] hkjels: hehe
[16:33] hkjels: whereis
[16:33] hkjels: ;)
[16:33] TheJH: hkjels, uhm, for what puprose? or was that irony/joking?
[16:33] Glenjamin: for npm's installed programs?
[16:33] Glenjamin: "npm which" might be handy
[16:33] TheJH: *purpose
[16:34] hkjels: for cli-tools
[16:34] Glenjamin: i also quite fancy "npm exec", which would look in node_modules/.bin
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[16:34] hkjels: like brew
[16:35] hkjels: I'd like to use it to set some paths & test for dependencies
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[16:35] guy: https://gist.github.com/cccea0e8f38f0595d576
[16:35] guy: bnoordhuis:
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[16:36] guy: well, I did reinstall everything, however, node.js (stable 0.4.12) doesn't want to work with Forever.
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[16:37] bnoordhuis: guy: sorry, i don't do third-party support
[16:37] guy: anyone else can assist me with Forever?
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[16:38] vpereira: any way to check if an object is empty ?
[16:38] vpereira: in node.js/javascript?
[16:39] p4r0: vpereira: define 'empty'  
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[16:39] tjholowaychuk: vpereira Object.keys(obj).length == 0
[16:39] Glenjamin: ^^ that
[16:39] Glenjamin: faster typer :(
[16:40] Glenjamin: or just if(Object.keys(obj).length) - truthiness ftw
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[16:40] vpereira: hm
[16:40] rpeterson1: bnoordhuis: doesn't look like I am going to be able to upgrade g++ on this system without getting into some dependancy pergatory
[16:40] vpereira: yes i have a object and when i dump it, i have a {}
[16:41] vpereira: its really strange, actually the ldapjs is just killing me
[16:41] vpereira: after a search it should fire an event
[16:41] vpereira: but it doesnt do it
[16:42] bnoordhuis: rpeterson1: you can cheat by replacing the NO_HINTS in src/node_buffer.cc with (WriteHints)0
[16:42] bnoordhuis: rpeterson1: that's a less than ideal solution, of course
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[16:42] rpeterson1: bnoordhuis: yeah, less than ideal is fine for now
[16:42] Glenjamin: vpereira: util.inspect doesn't do non-enumerable properties by default
[16:43] Glenjamin: try util.inspect(obj, true)
[16:43] vpereira: i will try, i just want avoid this hacks, but the ldapjs doesnt give me any other option
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[16:43] bnoordhuis: rpeterson1: if you're in a daring mood, you can upgrade to 0.5.7, we dropped the NO_HINTS thing in 0.5.x
[16:44] rpeterson1: I can try it
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[16:44] rpeterson1: its really basic node required for a simple rails app we have running some things in our wearhouse
[16:44] rpeterson1: just need to get it online so they can use the app 
[16:44] bnoordhuis: rpeterson1: for production stuff, i'd recommend 0.4.12
[16:45] rpeterson1: yeah, well, if it runs … I consider it production for internal use
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[16:45] TheJH: hello isaacs :)
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[16:45] TheJH: :(
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[16:46] isaacs: hi, TheJH 
[16:46] isaacs: Glenjamin: npm exec would be super easy to do
[16:46] TheJH: isaacs, I want to try "npm star", but "make" doesn't work because of the request submodule issue :(
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[16:47] isaacs: TheJH: my latest master should be pulling the latest request submodule from mikeal
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[16:47] isaacs: TheJH: should be pointing to eaf073fe4c027f9f4b10c1665533de61b457d5d6
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[16:48] Glenjamin: isaacs: yeah, I have no real excuse for not submitting a patch - i thought of it months ago =/
[16:48] isaacs: TheJH: this might fix the problem: rm -r node_modules; make
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[16:48] TheJH: isaacs, yes, works
[16:48] isaacs: TheJH: and make sure HEAD is at 62a88a5576528d679e5af9566a6025239a0d8755
[16:48] isaacs: ok, kewl :)
[16:48] isaacs: git submodules </3
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[16:50] TheJH: isaacs, mmmhm, something isn't right, "Error: forbidden user: thejh not authorized to modify npm: npm"
[16:50] Glenjamin: something like: npm exec cmd -> check the node_modules chain for "./.bin/cmd" fall back to system path
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[16:50] isaacs: TheJH: are you trying to publish npm...?
[16:50] isaacs: TheJH: oh, wait, i see the issue.
[16:51] isaacs: will fix today
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[16:51] isaacs: haha, it worked for me because i'm a server admin ;)
[16:51] TheJH: isaacs, what's the cause? did I do something wrong in my code?
[16:51] Nuck: isaacs: I learned that you don't have a neckbeard.  This cannot be true.  All great coders have neckbeards.
[16:51] isaacs: TheJH: no, i changed some stuff, and broke it.
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[16:51] TheJH: isaacs, :D
[16:52] isaacs: Nuck: The conclusion is obvious.  Either not all great coders have neckbeards, or I am not a great coder, or I do in fact have a neckbeard, or logic is broken.
[16:52] TheJH: isaacs, btw, I think you didn't push the merged npmjs.org to github
[16:52] Fabryz: is there any way to obfuscate an email address in JADE? other than using the :markdown filter <email>
[16:52] joshontheweb: got some dude randomly DMing me questions from this room
[16:52] Nuck: isaacs: I pick C.
[16:52] Nuck: isaacs: You now have a neckbeard.
[16:52] joshkehn: joshontheweb: Can't you just block them?
[16:52] chjj: i pick a, or d, because i do not have a neckbeard
[16:52] chjj: those are the only two possible answers
[16:53] TheJH: joshkehn, use /ignore or whatever your client calls it
[16:53] isaacs: Nuck: i shaved yesterday, actually, and have woefully sparse facial hair that i shave rather often.
[16:53] joshontheweb: didn't know you could do that
[16:53] Nuck: isaacs: Haha your twitterpic is not at all how I imagined you'd be
[16:53] Nuck: I saw it and went "nahhhhhhhh"
[16:53] joshkehn: TheJH: Ah the wonders of being the first `josh-TAB`.
[16:53] isaacs: Nuck: but in fact, i'm not a great coder, just a diligent debugger, which it turns out is more useful.
[16:53] TheJH: joshkehn, sorry :D
[16:54] Nuck: isaacs: haha that is a very valid point
[16:54] joshkehn: Np
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[16:54] VeXii: im going to save that quote isaacs
[16:55] TheJH: 
ACTION bad debugger :(

[16:55] Nuck: I'm not either, really, but I'm great at thinking a problem through
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[16:55] Fabryz: no one knows I guess
[16:56] Nuck: My greatest skill is the ability to analyze something
[16:56] chjj: i am great at not growing neckbeards
[16:56] TheJH: I think I'm good at "what could go wrong" :D
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[16:57] Nuck: I honestly rather suck at programming, but since programming is 90% distilling a process and 10% programming, I can do 90% of it really well
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[17:00] Glenjamin: being able to read code is far more useful than being able to write it
[17:01] Glenjamin: which is why i spend my time trying to write code thats easy to read
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[17:01] jkridner: hi all, I work on the beagleboard project (which currently runs node.js and Cloud9 IDE) but I want to extend node.js to have more general ioctl and/or syscall support.
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[17:02] jkridner: I want to do that because I believe the closure model for node.js could be very friendly for embedded system development, but we need to do more than just read/write handles to talk to device drivers.
[17:03] Nuck: I approve of that idea :D
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[17:03] Nuck: 
ACTION just wants Node.js on embedded devices

[17:03] jkridner: the problem for me is that JavaScript doesn't seem to handle arbitrary data blocks passed into or returned from ioctl very well.
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[17:03] jkridner: I run node.js daily on my beagleboard.
[17:03] Nuck: (mostly arduino though)
[17:03] jkridner: bit harder there.
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[17:04] Nuck: jkridner: Well, there's always writing a C module?
[17:04] jkridner: perhaps on the new Due.
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[17:04] Nuck: If Node can't do it in JS, that's what native modules are for :D
[17:04] jkridner: I can create C modules for each ioctl, but then I end up creating a huge library in C.
[17:04] Nuck: hmm
[17:04] rpeterson1: bnoordhuis: nope, build 0.5.7 resulted in same error
[17:04] jkridner: I'm wondering there is a way that I can write just a minimal portion in C so that as much as possible is written in JavaScript.
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[17:06] rpeterson1: I will ahve to just find another server or something at this point, I can't spend anymore time on it or I will get even further behind
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[17:06] Nuck: Well, I suck rather awfully when it comes to such system-level things, so I'll let the better programmers answer you, jkridner :P
[17:07] Nuck: (and by that I mean I had to look up ioctl to check that it meant what I thought it did)
[17:07] random123: Glenjamin, I think if it comes down to writing something that works in a straight foward way instead of writing some mystifying algorithm, straight forward has way more utility, I think PHP's success can attest to that
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[17:07] jkridner: I wish not so many things took ioctls.  I think driver writers just do them out of laziness more often than not.
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[17:09] random123: Unfortunately PHP sucks with concurrency :(
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[17:09] jkridner: In the Linux kernel, a lot of things are exposed rather nicely through sysfs, but that interface is dynamic and not all sysfs entries are well supported.
[17:10] Nuck: sysfs is definitely nice
[17:10] blup: is there a channel for mobile apps?
[17:10] jkridner: many, many driver features cannot be reached through read/write on dev/sysfs entries at all.
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[17:11] jkridner: blup: with node.js specifically?
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[17:12] blueadept: would anyone know how i can reference params.amount in line 17's assignment while at the same time calling its value? http://pastie.org/private/vsb9odrh5vzjhalkaynzq
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[17:12] Nuck: jkridner: things would be so much easier if hard drives were JSON :P
[17:12] Nuck: Or rather, JS objects
[17:12] Nuck: cdrom.eject(), sda0.free :D
[17:12] blup: jkridner: prefferably, but i'd settle for js apps
[17:13] gkatsev: Nuck: write an fs in node?
[17:13] gkatsev: there's already a wm in node
[17:13] junkee[]: creationix: ping
[17:13] creationix: pong
[17:13] Nuck: gkatsev: haha I would totally do that if I weren't so lazy and I weren't so busy
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[17:14] jkridner: nuck: I can do GPIO pretty well with just sysfs entries, but even basic events require using IOCTLs to poll.
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[17:14] gkatsev: Nuck: yeah, me too
[17:15] junkee[]: do you have time?
[17:15] jkridner: Nuck: if there were some way to translate the ioctls into JS objects, that would be awsome.
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[17:15] Nuck: jkridner: If you write a generic ioctl-interface (forgive me for not knowing anything about how such things work, it' probably not possible), you could do that
[17:15] creationix: junkee[]: ?
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[17:16] junkee[]: creationix: just want to talk about node-gir
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[17:16] creationix: junkee[]: sure
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[17:16] jkridner: the only node-ioctl projects I've seen were extremely rudimentary and not particularly extensible----and didn't give any clue how to make that void * something JavaScript can pass/use.
[17:18] junkee[]: creationix: have you red https://github.com/creationix/node-gir/issues/7#issuecomment-2135188 ? Is
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[17:18] Nuck: jkridner: I'm sure there's a few native module developers in here who can help you?
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[17:18] creationix: junkee[]: yeah, who are you in that thread?
[17:19] Sidnicious: So, how do signal handlers work in node? I'm guessing that JavaScript functions aren't signal handler safe, so when/how do they run?
[17:19] junkee[]: creationix: sry, I'm swick
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[17:20] junkee[]: junkee[]: I like the concept. But i would just make the function call async if the last parameter is a function
[17:20] creationix: junkee[]: so I think bergie's latest comment makes sense
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[17:20] creationix: junkee[]: that works too, but it's a little more magical for a public API
[17:20] creationix: junkee[]: but then again, this is already pretty magical ffi stuff, so it fits
[17:21] creationix: i wish the gi repository had annotations about if a function did disk or network I/O
[17:21] junkee[]: creationix: okay, nice. I just asked the people in introspection about it
[17:21] junkee[]: no response yet :/
[17:22] creationix: I wouldn't expect it, I don't know of any event-loop based systems using gir
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[17:22] creationix: they are all old-school style interfaces with blocking I/O and threads for concurrency
[17:22] junkee[]: btw, do you think that locking a mutex should be async, too? I'm just wondering
[17:22] creationix: junkee[]: how would you make it async
[17:23] creationix: eio_custom uses a thread pool which itself has a mutex lock
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[17:23] junkee[]: o.0
[17:23] creationix: it depends on what's it waiting for
[17:24] creationix: simply providing a callback does make a function async, it's only if the callback is registered to some event source and then executed later in a new tick
[17:24] creationix: s/does/does not/
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[17:25] junkee[]: right...
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[17:25] creationix: If I understand node correctly, there are 4 kinds of event sources...
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[17:25] creationix: there are events from the high-performance select multiplexer, this is things like network sockets and other sockets
[17:25] creationix: then there are timer events, that may also be in the same multiplexer
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[17:26] creationix: there is process.nextTick, which is just an event loop hack that simulates a new event by having access to the event loop
[17:26] creationix: then there is the thread pool that makes otherwise blocking functions async
[17:26] creationix: it's used for the filesystem in node
[17:27] creationix: I'm pretty sure gir bindings would only be able to use the thread pool to make things async
[17:27] junkee[]: right. and we only need to care about file and network io
[17:28] creationix: but sadly, even network I/O won't be able to integrate with the multiplexer
[17:28] creationix: gir won't give enough information to make that happen
[17:28] Twisol: I have some binary network data in a Buffer, representing characters from a specific codepage. What's the best way to translate from the binary data to a UTF-8 string? For example, 0xFF would need to become U+00A0.
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[17:29] creationix: my reason for wanting gir is not to use gnome network or filesystem APIs, but to have access to desktop widgets
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[17:30] junkee[]: some for me but bergie likes the network/filesystem stuff also. We should at least try to make it work (more or less)
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[17:30] junkee[]: *same
[17:31] creationix: junkee[]: well, if he wants to use gnome's network stack, that's fine.  node can work as a blocking system.  You just have to understand that node's network stack or timers won't work after that
[17:31] blueadept: anyone know a better way of writing this? http://pastie.org/private/gdqfgzewodlysuqxvktiq
[17:31] creationix: or we can wrap the network stack in the node thread-pool, but it's going to perform pretty badly
[17:31] creationix: which may be ok
[17:32] creationix: how about make the bindings as generic as possible, and there can be both node-gir and vanilla v8-gir
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[17:32] creationix: the v8 version is meant to be used blocking
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[17:33] tnorris: what's the command line options for max memory usage?
[17:33] tnorris: i've tried several, but can't use more than a gig.
[17:33] junkee[]: i thought about it too. i would gir just give a flag (gir.blocking = true) or sth like that
[17:33] creationix: tnorris: are you on 32 bit?
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[17:34] tnorris: creationix: nope. 64bit.
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[17:34] creationix: tnorris: I think there is both a compile-time limit and a run-time limit
[17:34] tnorris: ah, ok. makes sense. compiled mine from source.
[17:34] creationix: tnorris: but I'm not a v8 expert, so I don't remember what they are
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[17:36] creationix: junkee[]: maybe we could have a repository annotating the functions that are blocking?
[17:36] creationix: not sure if I want to maintain that though
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[17:37] creationix: junkee[]: I think bergie's latest comment is good for now
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[17:38] creationix: just ask the gir people if they could add such a flag so we could throw a warning or something when used wrong
[17:38] junkee[]: okay, thanks :)
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[17:38] ryah: DrMcKay: your bot is bouncing
[17:39] DrMcKay: ryah: I was deploying
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[17:39] DrMcKay: ryah: *should* be fine now
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[17:39] DrMcKay: or not...
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[17:40] DrMcKay: ryah: also, I will take care about diffing issues this week
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[17:40] bergie: hey creationix, junkee[]
[17:40] DrMcKay: `killall node` is super-effective
[17:41] DrMcKay: oh. wait. my server was node.
[17:41] junkee[]: bergie: hi
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[17:42] creationix: bergie: I just commented on the thread
[17:42] creationix: your last comment sounds good
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[17:43] DrMcKay: it's getting timeouts :/
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[17:44] creationix: bergie, junkee[], sorry I haven't had time to contribute to node-gir.  I'm glad others are helping with it
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[17:47] bergie: creationix: I'm also happy to see it progressing. I'll try to ask Piotras if he has time to work a bit on it as well
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[17:47] DrMcKay: stop it, I hate you.
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[17:48] DrMcKay: OK, a brain teaser, why would a bot do that ^ ?
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[17:52] thinkjson: isaacs: ping
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[17:53] DrMcKay: don't.
[17:53] DrMcKay: please?
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[17:54] thinkjson: DrMcKay: are you talking to me?
[17:54] junkee[]: xD
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[17:54] DrMcKay: thinkjson: no, to my bot
[17:54] thinkjson: k
[17:54] DrMcKay: thinkjson: but I'm afraid he's ignoring me
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[17:59] blueadept: anyone know a better way of writing this? http://pastie.org/private/9tlgoyllcs8db432lmvyaa
[18:00] joshkehn: Allow sanitize to take null / undefined and return ''
[18:00] joshkehn: So you can just say
[18:00] joshkehn: params.cc.cvs = sanitize(params.cc.cvs)
[18:01] thinkjson: blueadept: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Operators/Special/Conditional_Operator
[18:01] joshkehn: Then write a wrapper around `sanitize` that is called `sanitizeParams` and does all those calls.
[18:01] blueadept: thinkjson: yeah i was trying them out but it wasn't working
[18:01] blueadept: hm, i think i got it
[18:01] joshkehn: You could do that, but it still looks ugly IMO.
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[18:02] Nuck: github should switch from an autoreloading page to socket.io on their status page haha
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[18:03] joshkehn: Nuck: Why?
[18:03] thinkjson: then the status page would be down, too
[18:03] thinkjson: right now it's a static HTML file, and nginx never falls over
[18:03] Nuck: joshkehn: because realtime is awesome haha
[18:03] Nuck: thinkjson: haha very true :D
[18:03] `3rdEden: haters
[18:04] `3rdEden: ;9
[18:04] `3rdEden: ;D
[18:04] netlemur: slow github is slow...
[18:04] netlemur: :-)
[18:04] ako: github D:
[18:04] Nuck: netlemur: load balancer failed apparently
[18:04] joshkehn: Nuck: Auto-refresh is so much easier...
[18:04] Nuck: http://status.github.com/
[18:04] joshkehn: I hate how everyone is trying to shove “real time” into everything they do.
[18:04] Nuck: 
ACTION is having a staring contest with the octocat

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[18:04] Nuck: joshkehn: haha well, real-time is awesome
[18:05] Nuck: And it's node's forte
[18:05] aho: octocat picks nose
[18:05] aho: it's super effective
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[18:05] thinkjson: netlemur: you implement a source hosting site for tens of millions of users and get back to me
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[18:05] netlemur: thinkjson: don't want to do that :)
[18:05] aho: ah... github loaded
[18:05] aho: woo
[18:05] netlemur: thinkjson: didn't say i could do it better
[18:05] Nuck: Looking at their history, I'd wager github will be back online fully within 15-20 minutes
[18:06] netlemur: glad there's something like github. but still. performance is getting worse
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[18:06] Nuck: They're calling this one minor and previous things have been major
[18:06] Nuck: netlemur: Well, they used Ruby
[18:06] Nuck: What did you expect?
[18:06] Nuck: Amazing scaling?
[18:06] DrMcKay: 
ACTION goes to implement it in node

[18:06] thinkjson: oh dear
[18:07] netlemur: DrMcKay: will you offer free accounts? haha!
[18:07] Nuck: DrMcKay: I think GH is already doing some things in Node
[18:07] thinkjson: 
ACTION checks to make sure he's not in ##php

[18:07] DrMcKay: lol, it's OK
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[18:07] DrMcKay: (gh, I mean)
[18:07] Nuck: Namely the repo .tar.gz and .zip downloads
[18:07] DrMcKay: netlemur: yes, free accounts for everyone!
[18:07] Nuck: DrMcKay: Still saying partial outage
[18:07] DrMcKay: Nuck: yes, file download
[18:07] cody--: anyone feel like reviewing some code i've wrote and giving advice?
[18:07] Nuck: But all three lights are green :D
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[18:09] DrMcKay: GREEN LIGHTS. IT HAS TO WORK.
[18:09] Nuck: That page is static HTML that loads JSON objects
[18:10] DrMcKay: btw, their API server == their gist server
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[18:10] Nuck: DrMcKay: Really?
[18:10] DrMcKay: Nuck: yes
[18:10] Nuck: DrMcKay: How can you tell?
[18:10] DrMcKay: Nuck: ping api.github.com and gist.github.com
[18:11] jhurliman has joined the channel
[18:11] DrMcKay: Nuck: also, nmap it and see how it introduces itself
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[18:11] Raynos: can we popularise a standard routing mechanism that allows applications to be deployed to a server simply by dumping a folder in an application directory
[18:11] Raynos: if this is not a good idea why is it not a good idea
[18:11] Nuck: DrMcKay: ping www.github.com too ;)
[18:11] Nuck: It's all one IP
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[18:11] Nuck: Many different servers behind that
[18:12] Nuck: DrMcKay: Reverse proxies, man
[18:12] DrMcKay: gah, so it's a proxy
[18:12] Nuck: haha
[18:12] DrMcKay: I wouldn't do it like that
[18:12] Nuck: DrMcKay: Yeah, there's a hell of a lot more than 1 server for gists
[18:12] DrMcKay: but whatever
[18:12] Nuck: I'd have separate load balancers
[18:12] DrMcKay: yup
[18:12] Nuck: gist, git, web, and api
[18:13] Nuck: And servers behind each
[18:13] Nuck: Also, we have go!
[18:13] DrMcKay: or, do that: http://www.zytrax.com/books/dns/ch9/rr.html
[18:13] Twisol: Just to be sure, the "binary" Buffer encoding encodes a string as its UTF-8 codepoint number (below 256)?
[18:13] Nuck: DrMcKay: I prefer a reverse proxy setup
[18:13] DrMcKay: `git clone` cannons, go!
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[18:14] guy: how do I tell which one is a stable release? (NPM, forever)
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[18:14] guy: https://gist.github.com/0d184c6827e0b275ca68
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[18:14] isaacs: guy: hey
[18:14] guy: isaacs: oh. hello.
[18:14] guy: ha. I think I've just sent you an email.
[18:14] isaacs: i saw :)
[18:14] isaacs: guy: i'm almost always on here, if you ever want faster response.
[18:14] isaacs: but email is fine, too
[18:15] isaacs: so, the latest is usually what you want.  if you run the install script, it'll download the latest version of npm.
[18:15] isaacs: if you have the git repo, you can run `make install`, and it'll pull down the submodules and then install npm
[18:16] isaacs: if you've downloaded a tarball from github, sorry, it's broken.  dont' do that.
[18:16] guy: ok. that's easy 
[18:16] guy: I did that few times though, but. it simply doesn't work.
[18:16] guy: I have error log if you are curious to know, though, I doubt that you are the person responsible for the forever NPM? are you? : ) I did't find any website or anything about forever.
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[18:17] isaacs: guy: yes, please gist the error log.
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[18:17] isaacs: i'm not responsible for forever, but i am responsible for npm
[18:17] guy: sure. give me a second. the log is quite long.
[18:17] isaacs: guy: forever is these folks: https://github.com/indexzero/forever
[18:17] isaacs: guy: there are a few gist command line clients, whcih are really handy
[18:18] isaacs: guy: then yo ucan just `gist npm-debug.log` and it'll spit out a url
[18:19] DrMcKay: ok, bot seems stable now
[18:19] tbranyen: hmmm trying to use async module's parallel to monitor two different paths with watchFile, but the callback is only ever called once, is there a method that can trigger whenever watchFile triggers a callback?
[18:19] tbranyen: i need like a async.monitor or something
[18:20] thinkjson: isaacs: did I see you're working on native gzip support?
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[18:20] gajus: https://gist.github.com/dc0eb058dff2a930460e
[18:20] gajus: connection lost, sorry. isaacs, those are the two most common errors.
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[18:21] isaacs: gajus: run `npm install` in the forever dir.
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[18:21] isaacs: gajus: or `npm rm -g forever; npm install forever` and then gist the log of that when/if it fails
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[18:22] netlemur: argh. all this async stuff is messing with my head
[18:22] isaacs: gajus: looks like the forever deps weren't installed.
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[18:22] netlemur: perhaps some can point me in the right direction how to solve this? https://gist.github.com/1227175
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[18:23] TheJH: netlemur, I think i don't understand what's your goal there
[18:24] gajus: isaacs: just in case, you probably meant "npm install forever -g" not "npm install forever", right?
[18:24] Vince: hi, I'm looking for information of integrating node.js with asp.net mvc 3
[18:24] netlemur: I got a list of events, events have a location id. i need to get the location from this id and put it in the event object
[18:24] netlemur: TheJH: using mongoose...
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[18:25] tbranyen: heh monitor was actually really easy to write, i should pull req it to async module
[18:25] tbranyen: http://pastie.org/2558966
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[18:25] guy: https://gist.github.com/d7be2ef5f2e89a0c99f0
[18:26] guy: isaacs: ^
[18:26] Twisol: What's the best way of emulating the "binary" Buffer encoding without actually using it?
[18:26] isaacs: guy: there should be a bit more
[18:26] isaacs: doesn't look like it finished
[18:27] guy: ups.. https://gist.github.com/fa5d394a8fd7821e059a
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[18:27] Nuck: Ugh
[18:27] isaacs: guy: yeah, this looks like either a forever or an nconf bug
[18:27] Nuck: I hate all templating engines ;~;
[18:28] netlemur: Nuck: I hate HTML :)
[18:28] DrMcKay: Nuck: render client-side?
[18:28] Nuck: lol
[18:28] TooTallNate: konobi: do we talk to you about Joyent hosting problems?
[18:28] Nuck: I'm just really picky I guess
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[18:29] guy: isaacs: the system says to report it to you: https://gist.github.com/7388f9cb47009c917921
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[18:30] Nuck: I'd love a template engine that resolves partials first and lets them set variables that the outer template can then use
[18:30] Nuck: So I could create an array in the <head>, which I could push to from in a partial
[18:30] Nuck: And add the CSS
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[18:30] Nuck: Jade would be nice, if not for the hideous syntax
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[18:31] netlemur: Nuck: I actually like the Jade syntax
[18:31] softdrink: people still use templating engines?  ¬¬
[18:31] aho: "still"?
[18:32] DrMcKay: aho: today we render at client-side
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[18:32] Nuck: netlemur: I find it absolutely apalling.
[18:32] aho: DrMcKay, that also requires a template engine
[18:32] Nuck: heh I think I'm gonna head off to the Magic Lab
[18:32] Nuck: I should work on my Photoshop assignment.
[18:32] Nuck: bbl
[18:33] DrMcKay: aho: or that: http://knockoutjs.com/
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[18:33] DrMcKay: but well, it's still a templating engine, technically
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[18:33] aho: it surely isn't pixie dust :>~
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[18:35] guy: isaacs: I keep losing connection for unknown reasons, so if there's any fix that'd you come up with, please email that to g.kuizinas@anuary.com. Much appreciated.
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[18:37] Nuck|mobile_: Oh god there's a petition for "lower gas prices" out today
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[18:37] Nuck: Dunno what good a petition will do
[18:38] jarek: do you know of any desktop app that would be build on top of Node.js?
[18:39] DrMcKay: jarek: like, purely desktop?
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[18:39] jarek: DrMcKay: I mean an app that would be bundled with Node.js server and would rely on it heavily
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[18:40] Brandon_R: hi
[18:40] joshkehn: Brandon_R: Hi!
[18:40] jarek: so far I have found only Kod editor, but it seems to be using Node only as a scripting engine
[18:40] Brandon_R: Not much
[18:40] Brandon_R: I wonder why someone doesn't make a textmate port for Linux
[18:40] Brandon_R: Seems like a simple program
[18:41] DrMcKay: jarek: it's hard to achieve, I'm not sure if there are proper bindings for DE
[18:41] joshkehn: Because Sublime already exists?
[18:41] jarek: Brandon_R: have you tried Sublime Edit 2? It's a "new textmate"
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[18:41] DrMcKay: Brandon_R: scribes
[18:41] joshkehn: TextMate is probably going to be OS X only forever.
[18:41] Brandon_R: lemme check it out
[18:41] blax: hi there, what can I do to properly handle failing (with exception) callback? 
[18:41] joshkehn: And while I love it, I'm using S2 more these days.
[18:41] jarek: s/Sublime Edit/Sublime Text
[18:41] joshkehn: blax: Clarify?
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[18:42] blax: I have a system with memcache and db, when memcache doesn't have the answer my app should go and ask db; question is: how to handle  situation where memcache fails and throws exception? I could catch it by unhandledException event, but how to continue handling request with db?
[18:42] DrMcKay: jarek: check out nide editor
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[18:42] joshkehn: DrMcKay: Link would be good. ;)
[18:42] DrMcKay: jarek: it's still in-browser, but it might count as a desktop app, I think
[18:42] tbranyen: i hear vim is an up-and-coming editor
[18:42] DrMcKay: http://coreh.github.com/nide/
[18:42] joshkehn: tbranyen: I still do about 40% of my work in vim
[18:42] blax: normally I pass response object to the memcache callback and when it doesn't have the answer it passes it on to db
[18:42] wadey: blax: what memcache client are you using? it should be calling you back with the error, not throwing it
[18:42] DrMcKay: and yes, vim <3
[18:43] jarek: DrMcKey: it's very easy to communicate between Cocoa and Node.js server
[18:43] joshkehn: And vico looks great as well. http://www.vicoapp.com/
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[18:43] blax: 3rdeden's memcached
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[18:43] DrMcKay: jarek: I haven't played with Cocoa yet, worth trying
[18:43] joshkehn: blax: Memcache throws exceptions? That's weird.
[18:43] jarek: Node.js + WebKit webview could be used for building some very powerful apps
[18:43] blax: it throws exception when memcached client isn't listening
[18:43] jarek: I don't understand why no one is using it for this purpose
[18:44] blax: in other cases it's just fine; actually it's already working on production
[18:44] DrMcKay: jarek: be the first one :)
[18:44] `3rdEden: blax my driver shouldn't throw exceptions, if it does that, it's definitly a bug
[18:44] jarek: DrMcKay: I will be publishing my first desktop app based on Node.js next month :)
[18:44] `3rdEden: blax: can you post a issue with a small reproducible test case on the github repo?
[18:44] DrMcKay: jarek: great to hear :)
[18:44] DrMcKay: jarek: what app, exactly?
[18:45] Brandon_R: does sublime work for linux
[18:45] blax: `3rdEden: well it seams it's easy to reproduce, just try talking to memcached when the daemon is down
[18:45] blax: `3rdEden: will check and post it!
[18:45] `3rdEden: your amazing <3 thanks
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[18:46] jarek: DrMcKay: http://i.imgur.com/47QW3.png
[18:46] jarek: DrMcKay: it's half done now
[18:46] DrMcKay: jarek: well, wow, looks nice
[18:46] DrMcKay: jarek: (is it open source?)
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[18:47] DrMcKay: also, seeing how nice Mac OS X UI, I'm totally getting myself one
[18:47] DrMcKay: s/UI/UI is/
[18:47] jarek: DrMcKay: the UI is done entirely with HTML5/CSS/SVG
[18:48] jarek: Node.js is responsibe for accessing the filesystem
[18:48] DrMcKay: jarek: also, you have a typo. it's exercise
[18:48] DrMcKay: 
ACTION is nitpicking

[18:49] DrMcKay: jarek: still, it's very nice :)
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[18:49] DrMcKay: jarek: it it open source?
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[18:49] jarek: DrMcKay: no, but it will be available for free on Mac App Store
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[18:50] DrMcKay: 
ACTION goes to choose his Mac

[18:50] DrMcKay: jarek: btw, would you please put up some demo on GitHub?
[18:50] TheJH: aaaah! DrMcKay is going to the evils!
[18:50] DrMcKay: jarek: I mean, simply barebone
[18:51] DrMcKay: jarek: how did you get those two to interact, etc.
[18:51] DrMcKay: jarek: some really simple app would help a lot of people :)
[18:51] TheJH: DrMcKay, let me give you ONE link from the ##security topic: "THIS is why we don't deploy the latest software: http://www.defenceindepth.net/2011/09/cracking-os-x-lion-passwords.html"
[18:52] DrMcKay: TheJH: are you assuming that I will actually use it for serious stuff ;> ?
[18:52] TheJH: DrMcKay, I'm just being cautionous
[18:52] DrMcKay: ah, great, Apple has a Polish store now
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[18:53] Brandon_R_: hello
[18:53] DrMcKay: I kinda like the price
[18:54] DrMcKay: 
ACTION is going crazy

[18:55] jarek: DrMcKay: here is the code responsible for communication: https://gist.github.com/1227267
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[18:56] DrMcKay: jarek: nice one, thanks :)
[18:56] DrMcKay: jarek: you're using pipe to talk to node?
[18:56] jarek: It's a bit primitive (I'm reading data from standard output), there is defenitely a more elegant way to do this
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[18:57] DrMcKay: jarek: yeah, like some socketor even HTTP server
[18:57] DrMcKay: jarek: but still, it's neat
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[18:57] jarek: it's very easy to exchange data between Node.js and WebKit webview via websockets
[18:57] RichardNode: Hey there everyone, is there anyone here familiar with the mustache template engine?
[18:57] jarek: but calling Ojbective-C functions from WebKit2 webview is tricky
[18:57] DrMcKay: well, whoah. why  the hell do I understand ObjC?
[18:58] DrMcKay: I haven't tried it before.
[18:58] jarek: so I use WebKit1 for now
[18:58] DrMcKay: jarek: those are build-in components?
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[18:59] softdrink: objc makes me want to tear my face off
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[18:59] softdrink: just sayin'
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[18:59] DrMcKay: softdrink: I'm seeing it for the very first time, and it seems understandable
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[18:59] DrMcKay: I have no real idea how it works, though
[19:00] TheJH: DrMcKay, then it can't be good. have a look at coco! :D
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[19:00] DrMcKay: TheJH: link?
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[19:01] DrMcKay: TheJH: or maybe it's a language I don't want to see?
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[19:01] TheJH: DrMcKay, https://github.com/satyr/cup/blob/gh-pages/cup.co
[19:01] DrMcKay: OK, MacBook Pro 13", which one?
[19:01] TheJH: DrMcKay, it's a coffeescript fork
[19:01] DrMcKay: TheJH: I give up.
[19:02] DrMcKay: TheJH: @@?
[19:02] TheJH: DrMcKay, satyrs name on irc is matyr, he's here
[19:02] softdrink: all messages in objc get run through pretty much a single C function:  objc_msgsend()
[19:02] DrMcKay: TheJH: possibly, and?
[19:02] TheJH: DrMcKay, go here, paste and click compile: http://satyr.github.com/cup
[19:02] DrMcKay: softdrink: that seems like a design problem
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[19:02] shanebo: hey guys is this the most concise way to create an array of 50 items 1-50?  http://jsfiddle.net/Y2Mse/
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[19:03] TheJH: DrMcKay, you said "I give up." - I thought that, in that case, the language creator would maybe be able to help :D
[19:03] joshkehn: shanebo
[19:03] joshkehn: shanebo: No
[19:03] joshkehn: You could do
[19:03] aho: shanebo, that one creates 0 to 50 (inclusive) though
[19:03] TheJH: !coffee compile [0..50]
[19:03] jhbot: var _i, _results; (function() { _results = []; for (_i = 0; _i <= 50; _i++){ _results.push(_i); } return _results; }).apply(this, arguments);
[19:04] DrMcKay: TheJH: no, I think I will just cry in my pillow :p
[19:04] joshkehn: new Array(50) and then .map or something
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[19:04] TheJH: DrMcKay, yes, it looks weird :D
[19:04] DrMcKay: wait, these Macbooks differ by a price and CPU?
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[19:05] aho: is there a reason why you want to create that array ahead of time?
[19:05] aho: i'd just start with an empty one and push
[19:05] TheJH: DrMcKay, double-@ is "arguments"
[19:06] aho: i mean... an array which got 0 at 0, 1 at 1, and so forth is kinda useless, isn't it?
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[19:06] DrMcKay: store.apple.com is bullshit.
[19:06] shanebo: aho, well I could add one to each
[19:07] jhurliman: custom signal handling is segfaulting node master, and it appears to be like that for about a month (running OSX). is anyone else seeing this?
[19:07] aho: someNumber + 1 is faster than arr[someNumber] though... also, it makes more sense :>
[19:07] DrMcKay: I want to compare them. I can do that in every sane shop.
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[19:08] bnoordhuis: jhurliman: can you define custom signal handling?
[19:08] bnoordhuis: or rather, specify
[19:08] jhurliman: bnoordhuis, let me paste the code that is segfaulting, hold on. my first attempt at a small repro is not doing the same thing, so something else is going on
[19:08] shanebo: aho http://jsfiddle.net/Y2Mse/1/
[19:09] aho: i still don't know why you might want to do something like that :)
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[19:09] DrMcKay: wait, whoa.
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[19:10] shanebo: aho, I'm using mustache for templating and I need an array to 50 so I can dynamically create a select dropdown with up to 50 options
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[19:10] aho: ah ok
[19:10] DrMcKay: they've forgot enthernet port in MacBook Air
[19:10] aho: that answer is acceptable :>
[19:10] DrMcKay: *ethernet
[19:10] DrMcKay: indeed, Apple.
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[19:10] jhurliman: bnoordhuis, ack, false alarm. it's something i did
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[19:11] bnoordhuis: jhurliman: np, i like false alarms better than real bugs
[19:11] TheJH: DrMcKay, no ethernet? :D
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[19:11] TheJH: <kohai> @3rdEden Wooot! The new garbage collector for chrome just landed in bleeding edge, no more 1gb memory limit in #nodejs http://t.co/lTaUNk97
[19:11] DrMcKay: TheJH: in MacBook Air, it looks like
[19:11] TheJH: awesome!
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[19:12] DrMcKay: wait, seriously? no ethernet port? are they totally insane or what?
[19:13] aho: shiver me timbers! :v
[19:13] joshkehn: Who needs an ethernet port?
[19:13] joshkehn: Plus you can get an external one. IIRC
[19:13] DrMcKay: joshkehn: well, I use it on daily basis
[19:13] joshkehn: I can't remember the last time I used my ethernet port. 
[19:13] joshkehn: Then don't get an Air.
[19:13] joshkehn: Apple is very cut and dry in terms of product selection.
[19:14] DrMcKay: joshkehn: yeah, I think I will get MBP. lack of ethernet just doesn't feel right
[19:14] joshkehn: MBP's are great.
[19:14] joshkehn: But I wouldn't get a 13"
[19:14] DrMcKay: joshkehn: why?
[19:14] joshkehn: I think the 15" is the best of that line.
[19:15] DrMcKay: joshkehn: I need portability, I don't think 15" is portable enough
[19:15] joshkehn: It's a minor cost for a large upgrade.
[19:15] joshkehn: Jump ti the i7's
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[19:15] joshkehn: Better graphics.
[19:15] DrMcKay: joshkehn: 13" has i7
[19:15] joshkehn: Only if you bump it. The 15's have it by default.
[19:16] joshkehn: And they only have the dual core.
[19:16] DrMcKay: joshkehn: no, it's by default
[19:16] joshkehn: Let me check on that.
[19:16] joshkehn: The 2.3 has an i5
[19:16] joshkehn: The 2.7 has an i7
[19:16] DrMcKay: joshkehn: and yes, number of cores differs
[19:16] blax: `3rdEden: sorry, that was false alarm, error seems to be somewhere else. thanks though for pointing me in the right direction! ;)
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[19:16] `3rdEden: :D! good to know
[19:16] joshkehn: For an extra $300 you get much better graphics, plus a quad i7
[19:16] joshkehn: I find my 15" very portable. 
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[19:17] DrMcKay: I've had that neat formula for calculating screen width somewhere...
[19:18] joshkehn: Plus the 15" has the antiglare screen.
[19:18] joshkehn: Which really rocks.
[19:19] DrMcKay: oh. it may get useful.
[19:19] joshkehn: You can also stick a 7200 drive in there, if you aren't going the SSD route.
[19:20] blax: go for seagate momentus xt!
[19:20] blax: i'm using it in my 15'' mbp and it's awesome for it's price
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[19:21] DrMcKay: blax: looks good, I'll check it out
[19:21] epsas: our laptops are overpowered
[19:21] jesusabdullah: I wish mine was op :(
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[19:22] DrMcKay: mine is 2x1.2 GHz, I *need* to upgrade
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[19:23] chapel: ryah: what are your thoughts on the new v8 gc?
[19:23] joshkehn: My laptop runs faster then most desktops. But I keep it clean and light
[19:23] jesusabdullah: Mine's a Dell mini 9
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[19:24] DrMcKay: I have a Dell 11z
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[19:24] DrMcKay: the more powerful one
[19:24] jesusabdullah: It used to be serviceably fast but it's getting a bit crufty and I'm running too much webstuff on it
[19:24] jesusabdullah: also I broke the spacebar, hopefully temporarily
[19:25] jesusabdullah: I tried ordering a laptop a few weeks ago but that's been a total snafu from the start
[19:25] jesusabdullah: fucking lenovo
[19:25] mak_: can someone guide me to the best tutorial written for Node.js
[19:25] jesusabdullah: also, fucking credit union
[19:25] joshkehn: lenovo
[19:25] joshkehn: For those who do.
[19:25] joshkehn: HAHaha
[19:25] DrMcKay: joshkehn++
[19:25] joshkehn: mak_: Absolutely!
[19:25] v8bot_:  DrMcKay has given a beer to joshkehn. joshkehn now has 2 beers.
[19:25] joshkehn: mak_: Go for http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.5.7/api/
[19:26] DrMcKay: lenovo *really* sucks, it gets overheated and they totally bloat OS
[19:26] mak_: Joshkehn: Thanks
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[19:26] jesusabdullah: Well, I'm nuking the OS obviously
[19:26] jesusabdullah: I gotta get shit done, can't do it in windows
[19:27] jesusabdullah: idk how people get much done in windows sometimes :(
[19:27] DrMcKay: in my home, single windows hasn't been booted for a year or so
[19:27] joshkehn: I'm considering nuking my servers and putting FreeBSD on them.
[19:28] DrMcKay: I even got my father to use Fedora!
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[19:28] jarek_: DrMcKey: I have switched from Ubuntu to Fedora few months ago and I'm really dissapointed with it
[19:29] DrMcKay: jarek_: why?
[19:29] joshkehn: Fedora is just RH without the junk, right?
[19:29] jarek_: DrMcKay: Fedora seems to be beta-quality distro, they are putting to much bleeding-edge stuff into it
[19:29] DrMcKay: jarek_: yup, I kinda like it :)
[19:29] jesusabdullah: I like Fedora kind of
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[19:29] jesusabdullah: but I don't really like yum
[19:29] jesusabdullah: or rather, rpm
[19:29] bnoordhuis: fedora is RHEL's testing ground, of course it's going to be buggy
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[19:30] jesusabdullah: because I've actually gotten DATABASE ERRORS with yum/rpm but never with apt-get
[19:30] joshkehn: I had my own http://joshuakehn.com/2011/2/4/Upgrading-Python-on-CentOS.html 
[19:30] joshkehn: Can't do links it seems.
[19:30] joshkehn: [fun with yum](1)
[19:30] joshkehn: It requires Python 2.4 and dislikes you trying to upgrade
[19:31] jesusabdullah: That's pretty typical iirc
[19:31] jesusabdullah: not necessarily with 2.4
[19:31] bnoordhuis: that's true for debian based systems too, though
[19:31] jesusabdullah: but with stale python versions being required on "stable" OS's
[19:31] bnoordhuis: upgrading the system python is a recipe for pain
[19:31] DrMcKay: Fedora 15 does fine with 2.7
[19:31] DrMcKay: and with 3.2
[19:31] jesusabdullah: Well yeah, because they bothered to upgrade F15
[19:31] jesusabdullah: it's not the "stable" branch yo
[19:31] joshkehn: DrMcKay: That's because they upgraded it. It's not mainline though.
[19:31] chapel: bnoordhuis: have you played with the new v8 gc that landed in bleeding edge?
[19:32] bnoordhuis: chapel: no, not yet
[19:32] bnoordhuis: there are bugs to fix first :(
[19:32] chapel: bnoordhuis: sure nuff :)
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[19:36] hornairs: hey anyone have experience with UglifyJS' AST? whats the best way to remove an entire statement (stat node) from the tree?
[19:36] chapel: hornairs: best example Ive seen is burrito
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[19:36] chapel: !npm search burrito
[19:36] jhbot: package burrito: Wrap up expressions with a trace function while walking the AST with rice and beans on the side
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[19:37] Daegalus: Would anyone be interested in a Node.js Recipe Book App?
[19:37] AvianFlu: Daegalus, what do you mean?
[19:38] Fabryz: why am I not able to render an anchor tag inside a p tag in JADE?
[19:38] joshkehn: Fabryz: Because jade sucks? 
[19:38] Aikar: an app to store recipes?
[19:38] AvianFlu: joshkehn++
[19:38] v8bot_:  AvianFlu has given a beer to joshkehn. joshkehn now has 1 beers.
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[19:38] AvianFlu: nothing against jade, I'm just anti-server-side-templating
[19:38] tjholowaychuk: lol
[19:38] joshkehn: I'm anti dumb templating.
[19:38] tjholowaychuk: AvianFlu there are times for it
[19:38] Daegalus: AvianFlu: An app for storing/sharing recipes online. I am planning to write one for my family's recipes, was wondering if anyoen would be interested in me open-sourcing it
[19:39] tjholowaychuk: rendering client only is very wrong at times
[19:39] tjholowaychuk: depends on the case
[19:39] joshkehn: jade, haml, all the same.
[19:39] AvianFlu: Daegalus, that sounds cool
[19:39] joshkehn: I really hate them.
[19:39] Aikar: wait, so youd rather output some json blob and render the entire ui fully through JS? lol
[19:39] AvianFlu: tjholowaychuk, I agree, no one view is right all the time, on most subjects
[19:39] Daegalus: I like jade, I am using it for my Forum Software, but I am also using caching so unless something changes, the HTML generated from teh Jade is cached
[19:39] Fabryz: joshkehn yep. It's starting to be REALLY frustrating
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[19:40] joshkehn: Aikar: No, I would rather do my HTML markup with something designed to work with HTML.
[19:40] tjholowaychuk: Fabryz p foo a(href='#') bar is ambiguous
[19:40] joshkehn: Weld is really nice.
[19:40] hornairs: thanks chapel
[19:40] Aikar: joshkehn: ah ok, the way you said it sounded like you dont want any html dynamically generated based on server logic
[19:40] joshkehn: But personally? Don't use Node to serve dynanic HTML.
[19:41] joshkehn: Use node for what node is really good at.
[19:41] chapel: hornairs: ?
[19:41] joshkehn: And templating HTML it is not
[19:41] tjholowaychuk: lol
[19:41] Fabryz: tjholowaychuk it's just a <p> BLABLA hey go here <a href="blabla" title="NOPE">lawl</a></p> that doesn't want to work
[19:41] tilgovi: dscape: I really want someone to show me where I'm wrong with that answer, but I think you _need_ fibers (or similar)
[19:42] hornairs: chapel for your response above...? i still cant find an easy way to splice out a node but i think i can figure out itou
[19:42] Aikar: templating engines arnt really specific "node", its "javascript", and templating engines are meant to be an easier to work with method of writing html instead of string concatenation, since it doesnt have open/close style syntax like PHP :P
[19:42] chapel: oh hornairs
[19:42] chapel: sorry, too many channels
[19:43] Aikar: now templating engines making common stuff hard or limiting you on doing what you want yeah is
[19:43] Aikar: wrong
[19:43] aho: the purpose of templating is to separate your business logic from your markup
[19:43] aho: hardcoded markup is f-ing horrible to deal with
[19:43] joshkehn:  Aikar: IIRC erb's follow a similar syntax. I haven't worked with rails in a while.
[19:43] chapel: hornairs: my uneducated guess is using something like this if (node.name === 'num') node.wrap('Math.PI / %s');
[19:43] Aikar: aho: you can do that w/o a template engine by writing the HTML yourself... TEs give you a more cleaner approach to writing that html
[19:43] pgherveo_: Hello there, when I exec npm list I see some green extraneous in front of some package, what deos it mean exactly, should I do something about it ?
[19:44] chapel: you could look for the node you want, and then wrap it in a no execute function
[19:44] joshkehn: aho: Which is why IMO everything should be an API with a HTML wrapper. ;)
[19:44] chapel: or maybe even take it out
[19:44] Aikar: joshkehn: EJS does too
[19:44] chapel: SubStack: ping?
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[19:44] Aikar: but i wrote my own template engine called Nova, with the concept of "The template engine shouldnt restrict you from doing what you want" idea in mind. http://github.com/aikar/nova
[19:45] tbranyen: Aikar: i did the same, http://github.com/tbranyen/combyne.js
[19:45] Fabryz: pgherveo_ are you using a package.json?
[19:45] tbranyen: writing template engines rules
[19:45] aho: imo a template engine should be very restrictive
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[19:45] tbranyen: aho: urgh i disagree
[19:45] joshkehn: aho: Ala Django?
[19:45] Daegalus: Fabryz: try doing an newline with indent. so like "p <nl, indent> a(href=blah)
[19:45] tbranyen: restrictive syntax, powerful extensions
[19:45] Fabryz: pgherveo_ if so you are using modules under node_modules that are not listed in the package.json
[19:45] aho: ala most template engines :)
[19:45] pgherveo_: yes i do
[19:46] Daegalus: Fabryz: i found that you cant use 2 tags on one line. it jsut doesnt work.
[19:46] tbranyen: 4/20 write template engines errrrday
[19:46] tjholowaychuk: fighting about templates is such a retarded thing, they all suck, hence why we have so many
[19:46] joshkehn: tjholowaychuk: Hah. Good point.
[19:46] pgherveo_: oj so I should list all my package in the package.json ?
[19:46] DrMcKay: maybe I should write the awesome one?
[19:46] DrMcKay: (xkcd reference)
[19:46] Aikar: https://github.com/aikar/nova/blob/master/examples/templates/template.js
[19:46] Fabryz: Daegalus goddamn why didn't it work before
[19:47] TheJH: DrMcKay++
[19:47] v8bot_:  TheJH has given a beer to DrMcKay. DrMcKay now has 1 beers.
[19:47] Fabryz: guess I indented wrokgly
[19:49] Fabryz: what do you suggest to use for js minification/caching for express? something other than minj
[19:49] tbranyen: Aikar: ah your templating is more HAMLy
[19:49] tjholowaychuk: Fabryz i use uglifyjs
[19:49] tbranyen: i use mine general purpose
[19:49] Aikar: I designed nova to be a TRUE javascript syntax engine. not JSON, but actual JS code. so you can dynamically control everything. wanna throw up a quick test page/prototype? put your code right in the middle of the template, even async db calls and such. IDC i'm not limiting you. its your choice to keep your presentation seperate from logic or not
[19:49] tjholowaychuk: Fabryz i dont love it but it works
[19:50] tbranyen: uglify-js hides too much in its executable
[19:50] pgherveo_: Fabryz: Have a look at this one connect-assets
[19:50] tjholowaychuk: tbranyen the js api
[19:50] tjholowaychuk: is one of the worst things
[19:50] tjholowaychuk: i've ever seen
[19:50] tjholowaychuk: haha
[19:50] `3rdEden: the source code is unreadable of uglify
[19:50] tbranyen: haha
[19:50] Aikar: tbranyen: mine doesnt look anything like haml, what do you mean? lol
[19:50] Fabryz: gave a quick look to both, must try to implement something
[19:50] tbranyen: Aikar: you're using it specifically for html pages
[19:50] tbranyen: how would i use nova in a javascript application to replace the date in a comment or something?
[19:51] Aikar: using "partialVars"
[19:51] tbranyen: so its possible?
[19:51] Aikar: its very similiar to EJS
[19:51] Aikar: yes
[19:51] tbranyen: oh okay cool
[19:51] tbranyen: i was just looking at your demo
[19:51] Aikar: except that the templates are rendered async
[19:51] Aikar: where as ejs is sync
[19:51] pgherveo_: Is there an easy way to keep in sync your json.package file or you have to manually add new entry everytimr you npm install
[19:51] Aikar: so you can put custom callback functions anywhere in page
[19:52] Aikar: and asynchronously control what data is written there
[19:52] Fabryz: pgherveo_ I manually add
[19:52] tbranyen: i was thinking about making combyne async, but it would cause a lot of overhead :-/
[19:52] tbranyen: since i would want to maintain sync behavior as well
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[19:52] pgherveo_: Ok
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[19:52] Aikar: h1(onRender(function(vars, render) { render('My H1 Tag'); }))
[19:52] Aikar: would render <h1>My H1 Tag</h1> on page load
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[19:53] Aikar: or wrap render() wit ha setTimeout(,2000) and itll make your template take 2s to load but itll still render as expected :P
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[19:53] Aikar: but it also caches all the html it can into strings and is not rebuilding the full template on render. it only builds the dynamic parts
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[19:54] tbranyen: yeah Aikar i wanted mine to be if you return immediately inside a filter function it would be sync, but if you didn't return it would expect you to call a passed callback function
[19:54] tbranyen: but i dunno how good of an idea that is, especially since checking for a valid return is really hard
[19:54] tbranyen: like return undefined; lol wut
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[19:57] nibblebot: tjholowaychuk: with cluster-log, how are you getting master instance inside your app to have app.error(... cluster.log())?
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[19:59] Aikar: tbranyen: yeah performance wise i dont think that would of been different at all
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[19:59] DrMcKay: interoperability fails at *very* basic level today.
[20:00] DrMcKay: I just had to use my soldering iron to replace a fan
[20:00] Aikar: but basically if you do div(p(a(onRender(someFn)))) itll cache it as ['<div><p><a>', someFn, '</a></p></div>'] so and on render the someFn function is returned and fills in the data and returns the full html
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[20:01] Aikar: im really pleased with how nova turned out. it works great. its just my documentation sucks :/ and i dont wanna publicly announce/advertise it until i make it better
[20:02] Aikar: i suck at explaining things in simple less-technical ways
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[20:03] Daegalus: Aikar: I might switch to Nova from Jade now. Not sure yet. 
[20:03] Aikar: cool, if you can help improve docs, pull reqs will be taken!
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[20:04] Aikar: and if any github-markdown experts could get it in md format... i originally wrote it in md but my editors markdown parser rendered correctly but github blew it up. githubs md parser seems diff than the other online tools ><
[20:04] Daegalus: Aikar: I'll look into it, I am currently swamped with projects, not sure when I will get around to working on Node stuff
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[20:04] Aikar: and their online tester even acts diff than the actual git page readme viewer too
[20:04] Aikar: so i was gonna just host the doc on gh-pages
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[20:06] Aikar: v8> [1,2,]
[20:07] v8bot_: Aikar: [1, 2]
[20:07] Aikar: hmm so thats not a syntax error
[20:07] Aikar: just realized i accidently did that in the code
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[20:08] mkrecny: does anyone know how to set defaultMaxSockets on an https agent?
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[20:08] Aikar: another neat bit is i made nova also properly indent all the output... you know how PHP with includes your blocks are always indented wrong compared to its parent. nova keeps track of indentation levels when you use partials/includes.
[20:08] Aikar: or you can turn off whitespace all together
[20:08] Daegalus: well, kinda like Jade, all my jade output is like 1-2 lines
[20:09] Aikar: indentation proved to be the trickiest part iirc
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[20:11] Brandon_R: hello guys
[20:11] joshkehn: Brandon_R: Heya
[20:11] Brandon_R: not much
[20:12] Daegalus: Aikar: Isnt there some HTML Tidy like JS script you can call to just tidy the output?
[20:12] Aikar: Daegalus: could, but its done already lol
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[20:13] Brandon_R: what are you guys doing?
[20:13] Aikar: and i try to avoid external deps if not needed. and htmltidy etc is usually external binaries, and would rather not call out to them. and it gets hairy when it comes to like your script blocks
[20:13] Aikar: nova will even indent your inline script lol
[20:13] joshkehn: Brandon_R: Working
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[20:14] Aikar: working/chatting
[20:14] Brandon_R: any cool projects?
[20:14] eldad87: Hi all,
[20:14] eldad87: I just installed nodejs with express
[20:14] joshkehn: eldad87: Why?
[20:14] eldad87: can you please advice how can I use express now?
[20:14] joshkehn: eldad87: What are you trying to do?
[20:14] eldad87: joshkehn, it seems like a nice framework
[20:15] joshkehn: Why start with a framework? 
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[20:15] joshkehn: I don't understand why the first thing people do is start adding stuff to the mix.
[20:15] eldad87: joshkehn, I'm developing MMORPG server, I did it in Java but... you know life are to short - so Now I'm trying to build components in node
[20:15] joshkehn: Start with node. Solve a problem. Work your way from there.
[20:15] joshkehn: eldad87: Are you serving HTML? 
[20:16] eldad87: joshkehn, no, It will just serve API calls and maybe images
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[20:16] joshkehn: eldad87: Then you don't need express.
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[20:16] eldad87: joshkehn, can you explain a bit about it?
[20:17] eldad87: joshkehn, I couldn't find any documentations on how to get started
[20:17] joshkehn: eldad87: Can you be a bit more specific about [it] ?
[20:17] eldad87: joshkehn, I'll need some ORM layer
[20:17] Aikar: heh id still use express in his case, setup static dir, setup a POST handler for some endpoint, parse post to do API
[20:17] Daegalus: eh, im using express for a mmorpg api, makes it easier to write the api
[20:17] eldad87: joshkehn, something that will help me to manage connections
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[20:17] joshkehn: eldad87: Have you thought about a backend? 
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[20:18] joshkehn: I thought it was easier to just setup node-static and use journey. 
[20:18] eldad87: Daegalus, please share your exp with me
[20:18] joshkehn: I didn't need all the middleware that Express gave me.
[20:18] eldad87: joshkehn, what do you mean node-static?
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[20:19] joshkehn: https://github.com/cloudhead/node-static
[20:19] eldad87: joshkehn, I'm new to node.. sorry. I'm investigating it
[20:19] joshkehn: https://github.com/cloudhead/journey
[20:19] Daegalus: eldad87: Nothing special, I just setup GET/POST/DELETE/PUT calls for various functions, once it was called, I did stuff. Its really straight forward and easy to setup with Express. since it has app.get app.post app.put etc. Each type of REST type has a function to call in express, makes things easier
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[20:20] Daegalus: plus its easier to get stuff out of the urls
[20:20] eldad87: Daegalus, thanks
[20:20] Daegalus: /user/:userid/edit
[20:20] Daegalus: :userid because a variable
[20:20] Daegalus: in the request
[20:20] Daegalus: that you can access directly
[20:20] Daegalus: you can also do direct REGEX
[20:20] eldad87: joshkehn, so node-static is something that manage the connection with the user? am I right?
[20:20] Daegalus: in tehre too
[20:20] joshkehn: eldad87: It's for all the static files.
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[20:21] joshkehn: What do you mean “connections with the user”? 
[20:21] eldad87: joshkehn, but API isn't static..
[20:21] Nuck: eldad87: Connection manage?  You mean sessions?
[20:21] eldad87: joshkehn,  connection with the user - GET/POST/PUSH..
[20:21] joshkehn: eldad87: I'm not following?
[20:21] joshkehn: Those are request methods.
[20:21] eldad87: and sessions
[20:22] Nuck: eldad87: GET/POST/PUSH are request methods
[20:22] eldad87: for example, will it allow me to build chat app easily?
[20:22] Nuck: eldad87: That's better with a realtime library, like socket.io
[20:22] joshkehn: eldad87: There are several exceppent chat apps already written. I would take influence from those. 
[20:22] eldad87: Nuck, I'm sorry - I reffered to Session/Cookies and requests methods
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[20:24] joshkehn: s/eppe/elle/g
[20:24] eldad87: I'll also need some kind of ORM and NOSQL support such as Cassandra/Redis
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[20:24] joshkehn: eldad87: Please tell me more about how you are going to use Cassandra.
[20:25] eldad87: just like it need to be used... key-value DB
[20:25] joshkehn: So what's wrong with Riak? Or Redis? What made you choose Cassandra?
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[20:26] eldad87: I like Cassandra more, scale better, better community etc.. I'm used to work with it.
[20:27] Vertice: cassandra is webscale!
[20:27] joshkehn: Lol
[20:27] Vertice: =)
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[20:28] eldad87: Vertice, you mean Mongo is webscale!
[20:28] joshkehn: Everything is webscale.
[20:28] Vertice: the web is webscale
[20:28] jetienne: but mongo is more
[20:28] joshkehn: Bleh. 
[20:28] joshkehn: Whatever you say.
[20:29] jetienne: glad you see the truth
[20:29] eldad87: Nuck, so you suggest to use socket.io. is there any framework that give me ORM and that library out-of-the-box?
[20:29] EyePulp:  /dev/null ?
[20:29] Nuck: eldad87: ORM?
[20:29] Nuck: We have Mongoose?
[20:29] EyePulp: eldad87: mongoose is nice
[20:29] joshkehn: eldad87: What ORM do you normally use with Cassandra?
[20:30] joshkehn: *stabs Mongoose to death*
[20:30] eldad87: Nuck, Object Relational Mappin
[20:30] joshkehn: I wonder how you do /action in adium
[20:30] Nuck: eldad87: We don't do frameworks with zillions of features, pick what you wnat and npm nstall it all
[20:30] Nuck: joshkehn: /me?
[20:30] Nuck: eldad87: No need with Mongo
[20:30] joshkehn: 
ACTION test action?

[20:30] joshkehn: Got it
[20:31] eldad87: Joshkehn, you have hector, but I used cassandra more on PHP
[20:31] Nuck: joshkehn: It's /me in basically everything
[20:31] joshkehn: I last used colloque, but that was a while ago. 
[20:31] joshkehn: 
ACTION hates mongoose

[20:31] Nuck: Why?
[20:31] jetienne: eldad87: relax and try it. it is all super easy. nothing to be impressed
[20:31] killfill: is my ab broken? http://pastebin.com/wpifTB8U
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[20:32] killfill: why do i get apr_socket_recv: Connection reset by peer (54)?
[20:32] joshkehn: killfill: Add a -r option.
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[20:32] Nuck: I hated it too, then I gave it a second chance and now I <3 Mongoose
[20:32] joshkehn: I think that's the one. 
[20:32] eldad87: jetienne, what are you talking about? node/socket.io/mongo?
[20:32] Vertice: an object relational mapper built against an document db is a bit strange.
[20:32] joshkehn: Nuck: There is no reason to build schemas around Mongo
[20:32] Nuck: Vertice: It's not *that* kind of ORM
[20:32] Vertice: yeah i know
[20:32] killfill: joshkehn: i get much "Send request failed!" with -r :S
[20:32] jetienne: eldad87: node requires to understat javascript. the rest is simple
[20:32] Nuck: joshkehn: It's actually quite loose.
[20:32] Vertice: it seemed like it had too many assumptions for me
[20:33] Nuck: joshkehn: It looks rigid at a glance, but it really isn't
[20:33] Vertice: like that i was using mongodb for one
[20:33] eldad87: jetienne, I know JS... it just need to understand how things need to work..
[20:33] joshkehn: It also botches all sorts of insertions and fails with the most cryptic errors when it tries to do "smart" things during updates.
[20:33] Nuck: Vertice: Well, no shit, did you think it'd be non-mongo?
[20:33] dreamdust: You don't have to create realtionships in Cassandra
[20:33] Nuck: And that's wrong, joshkehn, you're doing it wrong.
[20:33] jetienne: eldad87: try it. it is simple. give a day or two to each. you will get it
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[20:33] Vertice: Nuck: i was being facetious
[20:33] Nuck: It's never done that for anything I've done.
[20:33] joshkehn: Nuck: I guess, but now I'm not doing it and it's all working. :)
[20:34] joshkehn: 
ACTION smiles

[20:34] Nuck: Vertice: Okay, you'd be surprised how stupid some people get :P
[20:34] Nuck: joshkehn: Probably handled Mongoose lik mongo-native
[20:34] Nuck: I did it too
[20:34] Nuck: It broke
[20:34] eldad87: jetienne, thanks. this is really nice of you. but still, I'd like to understand what socket.io is for
[20:34] Nuck: That happens :V
[20:34] joshkehn: Nuck: I'm demo'ing mongoskin right not to see how that plays.
[20:34] joshkehn: I actually treated it more like a standard lib.
[20:34] jetienne: eldad87: socket.io is a websocket layer with a bunch of fallback options
[20:34] Nuck: joshkehn: It's nice, I switched from mongo to mongoskin to mongoose
[20:35] joshkehn: But adding new fields to models, defining a schema, etc. Just too much bullshit in the middle. 
[20:35] joshkehn: IMO
[20:35] jetienne: eldad87: then why websocket are usefull? it is cool to make low latency transfert back and forth with the server
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[20:36] jetienne: eldad87:  go #socket.io and ask 3rdeden, he is skilled and helpfull
[20:36] eldad87: jetienne,  just websocket? what about request methods?
[20:36] Nuck: joshkehn: See, for anything big, you've gotta separate the database layer from the application layer, and before, I did that with function wrappers, now I do it with schemas
[20:36] Nuck: It's a lot better IMO
[20:36] joshkehn: Nuck: I do that with an API...
[20:36] jetienne: eldad87: what is "request method"
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[20:36] joshkehn: And I've had excellent luck using Grails for a lot of that.
[20:36] Nuck: joshkehn: uh, this *is* an api.
[20:36] Nuck: What now?
[20:36] Nuck: I need to separate Express from mongo there
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[20:37] Nuck: If I try to combine them, my code will suck ass
[20:37] joshkehn: So you have one app running express
[20:37] eldad87: hetienne, post/get/push
[20:37] joshkehn: Another running an api.
[20:37] killfill: dont knowwhat ami  doing wrong.. :S   http://pastebin.com/6ASjTyJk
[20:38] Nuck: joshkehn: What do you mean by API?
[20:38] killfill: why do i get errors?
[20:38] jetienne: eldad87: this is plain http. if you want that, dont use socket.io
[20:38] mekwall: hmm... my site works in browsers but with any other tool I get either 500 or 400 Bad Request (url must be absolute)
[20:38] joshkehn: killfill: Add a -r option
[20:38] joshkehn: To ab
[20:38] mekwall: any ideas what it could be?
[20:38] killfill: joshkehn, yah, with that flag, the test finished, but with like 40% request failed.. :S
[20:38] joshkehn: Nuck: Just a database abstraction. I thought you were talking about from the express app.
[20:38] Nuck: eldad87: For a chat app, where you have realtime bidirectional communication, use Socket.IO
[20:38] joshkehn: killfill: Let me try it
[20:39] Nuck: joshkehn: So you just wrap all your database functions or what?
[20:39] EyePulp: eldad87: Or use Faye
[20:39] joshkehn: Nuck: One sec
[20:39] Nuck: like, db.addUser, etc.?
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[20:39] Nuck: That's fine and dandy until you hit about 1000 lines.
[20:39] Nuck: Then you're fucked.
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[20:39] p4r0: I FUCKING GET IT !! Beware on debian some "npm install xxx" WILL FAIL with PYTHON2.7 => use 2.6 
[20:40] EyePulp: Nuck: 1000 connections you mean?  (wasn't sure what you were referring to)
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[20:40] joshkehn: killfill: I have no problem with that.
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[20:40] Nuck: No, I mean 1000 lines
[20:40] joshkehn: Zero
[20:40] EyePulp: nuck: of Coke?
[20:40] Nuck: As in lines of code
[20:40] Nuck: EyePulp: :P
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[20:40] eldad87: jetienne, i want websockets and get/post/push..
[20:40] killfill: Nuck: your on osx? :P
[20:40] isaacs: p4r0: yes.  we must get away from the tyranny of node-waf
[20:40] isaacs: p4r0: some day, maybe soon :)
[20:41] eldad87: EyePulpm Faye?
[20:41] jetienne: eldad87: so socket.io is nice. socket.io is websocket + bunch of fallback options for browsers which doesnt support it
[20:41] joshkehn: Nuck: Once central connection class that everything else uses. Basically it's a wrapper around the HTTP api.
[20:41] Nuck: ugh magic lab is closing for lunch or something
[20:41] Nuck: bbl
[20:41] joshkehn: I'm not sure I understand your question ”wrap all your database functions”
[20:41] Nuck: joshkehn: meh
[20:41] p4r0: yep :) i wasted 2 hour figuring out how to install compress or gzbz2, while other module would install just fine ...
[20:41] p4r0: node-waf is a bitch !
[20:41] Nuck: joshkehn: I'll explain when I get on my iPhone
[20:41] jetienne: eldad87: i think the get/post/push is just an issue of vocabulary. it doesnt exist in websocket nor in socket.io
[20:41] joshkehn: Nuck: Okay. ;)
[20:41] killfill: joshkehn: what do you mean by having no problems?.. :)
[20:42] joshkehn: 
ACTION has no problems.

[20:42] joshkehn: killfill: I mean when I run that it works fine.
[20:42] CIA-54: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r6326b04 10/ lib/net_uv.js : 
[20:42] CIA-54: node: Fix test-regress-GH-819
[20:42] CIA-54: node: Problem was exposed in 12798c6. - http://git.io/sCcSbQ
[20:42] joshkehn: killfill: https://gist.github.com/4d8660d3270162042bf1
[20:42] `3rdEden: jetienne socket.io is get/post/push
[20:42] `3rdEden: websockets are push, and most of the fallbacks are get/post ;)
[20:42] jetienne: `3rdEden: what is this get/post/push ?
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[20:42] jetienne: `3rdEden: arf :)
[20:42] `3rdEden: get requests and post :$?
[20:43] eldad87: hi 3eden
[20:43] eldad87: 3rdenden 
[20:43] killfill: joshkehn: is that linux?
[20:43] joshkehn: OS X
[20:43] killfill: 
ACTION lost..

[20:44] killfill: im with lion
[20:44] killfill: what am i doing wrong?.. :P
[20:44] killfill: got node with brew..  (its 0.4.11)
[20:44] eldad87: `3rdEden, can you explain about the fallback please? is it possible for desktop clients that doesn't support websocekts to connect as well?
[20:45] `3rdEden: when websockets are not available socket.io will try out a bunch of different fallbacks
[20:45] jetienne: flash socket are super efficient for latency
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[20:45] jetienne: as efficient as websocket in my test
[20:45] sdwrage: Hey guys. Anyone have a no.de account?
[20:45] `3rdEden: if flashsocket is enabled it will try to use that, its websocket wrapper for native flash sockets
[20:45] `3rdEden: so it still allows you to have bidirectional transport without opening 2 http connections
[20:45] `3rdEden: if that is not available we will fallback to xhr-long polling
[20:46] `3rdEden: where it holds the connection on the server as long as possible untill it has a response to write against
[20:46] `3rdEden: if that fails, we can fallback to HTMLFile which is a IE only transport that uses the ActiveX HTMLFile to create a streaming iframe to receive the data
[20:47] `3rdEden: if even that fails, we fall back to jsonp polling, aka script tag injection with iframes for posting data.
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[20:47] `3rdEden: when that fails, you are basically fucked and you are probably hit a browser that does not support any webstandards what so ever ;P
[20:47] jetienne: :)
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[20:48] jetienne: google app engine is doing jsonp pooling last time i looked :) latency 160ms in my test
[20:48] eldad87: lol :)
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[20:48] eldad87: thank you so much
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[20:50] jetienne: once it test all that, it remember the best solution for next time. there is an option for that
[20:50] eldad87: so guys, if my demands are using: DB, Session, Cookies, routing.
[20:50] eldad87: should I use a framework or no?
[20:50] joshkehn: Eh.
[20:50] joshkehn: I'm going to say no, everyone else would probably say yes.
[20:50] jetienne: there is another option to change the transport order
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[20:50] joshkehn: Actually. If you add cookies I would say yes too. 
[20:50] joshkehn: Just because cookies suck.
[20:50] joshkehn: ;)
[20:50] sdwrage: eldad87: If you do go with a framework, check out expressjs
[20:51] joshkehn: sdwrage: Did you just join the chat or is that dry humor? 
[20:51] eldad87: well ok, no cookies..
[20:51] joshkehn: No framework then. 
[20:51] sdwrage: what?
[20:51] sdwrage: 0_o
[20:51] joshkehn: sdwrage: He was already using express. ;)
[20:51] jetienne: expressjs is well written, well documented
[20:51] sdwrage: oh
[20:51] eldad87: he asked if you're drunk :)
[20:51] sdwrage: >.<
[20:51] sdwrage: shows how much I was paying attention
[20:51] joshkehn: jetienne: Um. Sure. Okay.
[20:51] sdwrage: sorry
[20:52] jetienne: joshkehn: glad you agree
[20:52] tjholowaychuk: lol
[20:52] tjholowaychuk: josh hates everything
[20:52] jetienne: i guessed
[20:52] joshkehn: Not everything. 
[20:52] softdrink: too many people named josh
[20:52] jetienne: joshkehn: dont lie you know you do
[20:52] softdrink: 
ACTION shakes his josh-fist

[20:52] tjholowaychuk: sound like an angry teen
[20:52] tbranyen: i was just thinking why did the node community adopt comma first, when trailing commas are allowed in v8
[20:53] tbranyen: seems kind of strange
[20:53] joshkehn: tbranyen: Because the formatting with comma first generates an error if you miss a comma
[20:53] joshkehn: While if you drop a comma at the end it just globalizes stuff
[20:53] tbranyen: thats a reason for variable declarations sure, but that has literally nothing to do with literal definitions
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[20:54] joshkehn: “literally nothing to do with literal definitions”
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[20:54] mkrecny: does anyone know how to set defaultMaxSockets on an https agent?
[20:54] eldad87: I've counted 1 vote for express and 1 again... any more comments?
[20:54] jetienne: tbranyen: no such thing as style in the node community
[20:55] jetienne: eldad87: tjholowaychuk  is the author
[20:55] tjholowaychuk: eldad87 build a little app with node and build a little app with express, you'll get a better idea of what you're duplicating
[20:55] tbranyen: jetienne: maybe if you turn a blind eye
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[20:55] tjholowaychuk: or what you really need for your app etc
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[20:55] joshkehn: eldad87: Is this your first time using node?
[20:55] Brandon_R: hello guys
[20:55] Brandon_R: i have a question
[20:55] joshkehn: Brandon_R: Easy or hard?
[20:55] jetienne: Brandon_R: shoot
[20:56] eldad87: joshkehn, I didn't used it yet.. doing my research..
[20:56] Brandon_R: easy
[20:56] joshkehn: eldad87: Follow what TJ is saying.
[20:56] Brandon_R: more like a best practice question
[20:56] joshkehn: Build a few small projects to get a feel for it.
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[20:56] jetienne: Brandon_R: shoot *today* :)
[20:56] Brandon_R: how should i install express global or local?
[20:56] joshkehn: Brandon_R: Best practices are alway hard.
[20:56] jetienne: Brandon_R: local
[20:56] joshkehn: Local
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[20:56] Brandon_R: with the package.json file?
[20:56] joshkehn: Sweet. That was easy.
[20:56] eldad87: tjholowaychuk, my project is a game server. something similar to chat because it's a MMORPG server
[20:56] jetienne: Brandon_R: inside node_modules
[20:57] joshkehn: Brandon_R: Probably best.
[20:57] jetienne: hehe
[20:57] joshkehn: jetienne: I think he means put it as a dependency in the package.json file
[20:57] tjholowaychuk: eldad87 straight-up node would probably be fine for that
[20:57] mkrecny: so any of you wise noders know about maxSockets over SSL?
[20:57] joshkehn: mkrecny: Sorry, no
[20:57] softdrink: Nethack + Minecraft.  someone get on that.
[20:57] jetienne: tjholowaychuk: i use express for buddymaze.com my webgl fps
[20:57] mkrecny: thx neway
[20:57] tbranyen: port nethack to node
[20:57] jetienne: tjholowaychuk: i think i use express for image upload :)
[20:57] tbranyen: async nethack
[20:58] eldad87: tjholowaychuk, so what advantage the framework give me?
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[20:58] eldad87: tjholowaychuk. where it really shine...
[20:58] tjholowaychuk: eldad87 like everyone has been saying, try things out then you'll get an idea
[20:58] eldad87: ok, I'll do that
[20:59] jetienne:  arf
[20:59] jetienne: you have to the author to be listened
[20:59] eldad87: I'm doing that jet :)
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[20:59] eldad87: so before I'll go to write some code. I need to understand how to get it running.
[21:00] jetienne: eldad87: http://buddymaze.com is a webgl fps i did. the network is done by node + socket.io. the image upload is dont by express
[21:00] eldad87: I built Node like: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Installation
[21:01] eldad87: jet. wow this is amazing!!
[21:02] jetienne: eldad87: all in js :)
[21:02] jetienne: i start to love it
[21:02] eldad87: Jetienne, i'm after the instillation pat. what now - where I can put my code/how can I run the server?
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[21:03] eldad87: yep, JS is cool. but closures something can get tricky.
[21:03] jetienne: eldad87:  understanding js is the biggest part
[21:03] eldad87: na, JS is very very simple..
[21:04] joshkehn: Depends on what you think simple is.
[21:04] joshkehn: Sure it looks simple.
[21:04] joshkehn: But is it simple?
[21:04] eldad87: if you want, I have a great book about JS
[21:04] jetienne: eldad87: all the rest is simple. to understand socket.io do a mouse sharing stuff. like everybody joining your page will see the mouse of the other visitors
[21:04] jetienne: eldad87: "js is simple" means you dont get it :)
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[21:04] jetienne: eldad87: or you are super smart 
[21:05] joshkehn: eldad87: Like can you understand https://gist.github.com/b1f36753d7f43e6e34ae
[21:05] jetienne: eldad87: anyhow if you get js, the rest is real simple
[21:05] eldad87: the page doesn't load for me
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[21:06] joshkehn: eldad87: Really?
[21:06] jetienne: eldad87:  http://wtfjs.com and this ?
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[21:06] joshkehn: eldad87: try http://pastebin.com/Gh0RTjqC
[21:06] DrMcKay: !up? wtfjs.com
[21:06] dmkbot: DrMcKay, host up (status code: 200)
[21:06] eldad87: I can understand the page you sent but not the map.reduce sutff.. I never saw that on JS
[21:06] eldad87: is it mongo thing?
[21:06] joshkehn: Np
[21:06] jetienne: v8: new Array([],null,undefined,null) == ",,,";
[21:06] joshkehn: No*
[21:06] v8bot_: jetienne: true
[21:07] joshkehn: Just Js
[21:07] astropirate: Hey barbie, lets go party!
[21:07] Brandon_R: hello
[21:07] mkrecny: anyone got some resources on best practice regarding nvm and init.d / startup procedures?
[21:07] joshkehn: Brandon_R: Question again?
[21:07] Brandon_R: nope
[21:07] joshkehn: jetienne: That wtfjs site is great.
[21:07] Brandon_R: just saying Hi
[21:07] Brandon_R: wtfjs is a cool site :)
[21:08] jetienne: joshkehn: it is :)
[21:08] eldad87: i'll take a look thanks
[21:08] jetienne: v8: 9999999999999999
[21:08] v8bot_: jetienne: 10000000000000000
[21:08] jetienne: nice :)
[21:08] joshkehn: eldad87: Let me know if you wrap your head around that one I send. It was fun to write out. ;)
[21:08] Brandon_R: any cool projects guys?
[21:08] eldad87: WTF is that map/reduce functions.. I never saw them before..
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[21:09] joshkehn: .map will map an array based on existing values.
[21:09] aho: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Array/map
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[21:09] joshkehn: .reduce will combine the values in the array.
[21:09] aho: same url with filter, reduce, reduceRight...
[21:09] Brandon_R: ok maybe one question lol
[21:09] joshkehn: See MDC and aho's link for more information.
[21:09] joshkehn: Brandon_R: Easy or Hard?
[21:09] progrock: lol, map, reduce, filter, forEach... no more need fo for or whil eloops 99% of the time :)
[21:10] joshkehn: progrock: Unless you're looking for performance. ;)
[21:10] aho: every, some, forEach...
[21:10] aho: love that stuff
[21:10] Brandon_R: i installed express locally but its giving command not found. how do i use express bin without cding into bin dir and making the app dir ../../../AppName
[21:10] progrock: joshkehn: havent done much performance testing comparing them.. but if your that anal, just make your minifier abstract those into conventional for/while loops
[21:10] progrock: no reason to make your code dirty
[21:11] joshkehn: progrock: It isn't alway being anal.
[21:11] joshkehn: One sec, let me dig up the jsperf I wrote.
[21:11] eldad87: aho, thanks
[21:11] aho: well, if you are doing something semi-heavy in that loop, the overhead becomes meaningless
[21:11] progrock: joshkehn: I get that, occassionally performance really matters.. eitehr way, my answer works
[21:11] aho: e.g. if you do some io or some heavy computations
[21:11] Brandon_R: also what should my first version be 0.1.0 or 0.0.0?
[21:12] eldad87: aho, what do you mean, why is that?
[21:12] eldad87: Jetienne, i'm after the instillation pat. what now - where I can put my code/how can I run the server?
[21:12] progrock: Now what I really want is to program into a minifier to remove "with" statements and rename the correct variables
[21:12] aho: if it's something tiny and brain dead (e.g. particle effects in a game), a regular loop might be worth the trouble
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[21:12] joshkehn: progrock: Not if (a) you don't want / need a minification step for server deployment and (b) because they are closures you might run into some edge cases applying the transformation. 
[21:13] aho: eldad87, it's tiny overhead + tiny payload vs tiny overhead + gigantic payload
[21:13] aho: it's a ratio thing
[21:13] joshkehn: progrock: Here is a great example. http://jsperf.com/testing-array-explosion
[21:13] joshkehn: 8.5 million vs. 15k
[21:14] eldad87: aho, in other words you say that its a good practice to use map/reduce
[21:14] progrock: joshkehn: very interesting
[21:14] joshkehn: Oh wait. That first number might not be right.
[21:14] aho: clean code first
[21:14] progrock: still I enjoy much mroe how my code loosk using the array functions /(i know not the best excuse) but we're a scala shop, so leads to the more fu0nctional approach
[21:14] joshkehn: 331k vs 15k.
[21:14] joshkehn: Plus the 331k version is much more readable.
[21:15] Brandon_R: npm adduser isn't working
[21:16] eldad87: joshkeha, so map reduce is much faster... this is impressive.
[21:16] eldad87: guys, i'm after the instillation pat. what now - where I can put my code/how can I run the server?
[21:16] joshkehn: eldad87: No, it's not faster.
[21:16] joshkehn: That was my point.
[21:17] joshkehn: See http://jsperf.com/testing-array-explosion/2
[21:17] joshkehn: I removed the dumb test at the bottom
[21:17] eldad87: aho, just said the something else..
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[21:17] progrock: joshkehn: haha, I think I know peopel who know you :)
[21:17] joshkehn: progrock: Whom?
[21:17] progrock: joshkehn: more improtantly, I think I work where you used to
[21:17] progrock: your job to be more exact
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[21:17] progrock: (jsut fullt time
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[21:17] b52: hey fellas
[21:17] aho: eldad87, i said they can be slower if you aren't doing much in your loops
[21:18] tbranyen: i know you, lemme be vague and weird on irc about it
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[21:18] aho: i.e. if the overhead to actual payload ratio is kinda unfavorable
[21:18] b52: may some in short explain to me what "var exports = module.exports = .." does ?
[21:18] aho: if you do something heavy, that overhead quickly becomes insignificant
[21:18] tbranyen: b52: allows you to attach but not override exports
[21:18] tbranyen: module.exports does the same thing, but allows you to override
[21:18] b52: is that some sort of automagic?
[21:18] tbranyen: sure
[21:18] b52: looks weird to me
[21:19] eldad87: aho, so if i'm doing heavy calculation? should I use map/reduce then?
[21:19] tbranyen: if javascript looks weird to you...
[21:19] tbranyen: i dunno what to tell ya
[21:19] b52: well, the normal js behavour would be to override it, wouldnt it?
[21:19] aho: if it makes your code look nicer, sure why not?
[21:19] tbranyen: commonjs spec says to attach
[21:20] tbranyen: not override
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[21:20] eldad87: aho, i'm asking performance wise..
[21:20] eldad87: Guys... i'm after the instillation pat. what now - where I can put my code/how can I run the server?
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[21:20] b52: so what does exports = Schema = mongoose.Schema?
[21:21] b52: it attaches "Schema" to exports which is a reference to mongoose.Schema ?
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[21:23] medice: a = b = c => a = ( b = c)
[21:23] medice: sort of resolved backwards
[21:23] mkrecny: do y'all use nvm in production?
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[21:27] khmer: ok, here's what i hope is a simple one
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[21:27] joshkehn: 
ACTION Poises over keyboard.

[21:27] khmer: wait for iiiiiiiiiit
[21:28] khmer: my script is listening on port 8000, and responds to localhost requests, but not to any external requests.
[21:28] joshkehn: Is it binding to 127 or localhost?
[21:28] khmer: my arguments to .listen are (8000, "0.0.0.0")
[21:28] joshkehn: Hrm.
[21:29] khmer: i actually wonder if it's my home router that isn't forwarding the ports correctly.
[21:29] joshkehn: Try without the "0.0.0.0"
[21:29] khmer: tried that.
[21:29] khmer: but you know i think i'll wait until later to try and figure this out
[21:29] joshkehn: The docs state it should work.
[21:29] khmer: thanks for being so willing to help, though!
[21:29] joshkehn: Np
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[21:34] RichardNode: hey all, how do I declare a unicode encoded string?
[21:34] RichardNode: is there a literal form of doing that?
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[21:35] jesusabdullah: tjholowaychuk: You around?
[21:35] booo: is there any good orm for node and postgres?
[21:35] tjholowaychuk: jesusabdullah somewhat yup
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[21:36] jesusabdullah: I'm trying to select elements with soda---anyplace I can look for docs? Or should I just ask you how to do my particular case?
[21:36] medice: when i try to install validator through npm, the shasum check fails consistently
[21:37] medice: is it just me
[21:37] tjholowaychuk: jesusabdullah as in <select>?
[21:39] jesusabdullah: tjholowaychuk: As in, I have a button I want to click, but I don't know how to tell soda which button it is
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[21:39] jesusabdullah: Maybe if I look up selenese?
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[21:40] tjholowaychuk: jesusabdullah oh, yeah selenese you would want say "css=some selector"
[21:40] tjholowaychuk: or xpath
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[21:40] tjholowaychuk: i forget the rest, been a while
[21:40] tjholowaychuk: id/attrs are fine i think without css=
[21:40] jesusabdullah: hmm
[21:40] jesusabdullah: I see
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[21:46] eldad87: guys?
[21:46] eldad87: how can I use Nodejs? I just installed it
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[21:46] joshkehn: Lol
[21:47] joshkehn: node [file]
[21:47] eldad87: but I don't know if it's running..
[21:47] eldad87: :(
[21:47] AvianFlu: eldad87: what os?
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[21:47] eldad87: ubuntu
[21:47] joshkehn: Try hitting the url
[21:47] joshkehn: You can also try ps | grep node
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[21:47] AvianFlu: eldad87, what kind of script are you trying to run?
[21:47] eldad87: url?
[21:47] joshkehn: Whatever url it's listening on
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[21:48] eldad87: I want to run the basic example on nodejs.org page
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[21:49] context: eldad87: yes, if you read the example it gives you the url
[21:49] eldad87: i saw that
[21:49] netlemur: first understanding how mongodb works and then coding an app might probably be better then the other way round
[21:49] netlemur: D'oh
[21:49] eldad87: but should it be in a specific path?
[21:50] AvianFlu: you'd run node example.js and then go to http://127.0.0.1:1337 in your browser
[21:50] eldad87: is it the regular way to run an app?
[21:50] AvianFlu: eldad87 you can pretty much run it anywhere
[21:50] AvianFlu: that script isn't serving any files, so it will run wherever you put it
[21:50] AvianFlu: it just spits out that message to anyone who connects
[21:51] AvianFlu: all the 'web server' stuff is built-in, and you don't have to think about it much
[21:51] AvianFlu: at least not for a hello world :-P
[21:51] eldad87: but what about more complex examples. like a chat demo..
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[21:52] AvianFlu: you should look at socket.io for that
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[21:53] louissmit: Hi guys, i need some advice on whether to deploy on Heroku or EC2, specifically for a express app that uses Socket.io. So far, I've only had experience managing a simple, single instance express app on EC2 without load balancing. Heroku is a lot more expensive and there's of course WebSockets not being supported on Heroku…So, what do you guys think, is Heroku worth it?
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[21:54] eldad87: thanks AvianFlu
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[22:00] eldad87: AvianFlu, if the server is on a remote server and I cannot connect.. where should i look?
[22:00] eldad87: in other words the server is a remote ubuntu machine in my local network
[22:00] AvianFlu: have it listen on 0.0.0.0
[22:00] eldad87: so I'm trying to access it: 192.168.0.3:1337
[22:00] AvianFlu: 0.0.0.0 means either 'any interface' or 'all interfaces', I forget which
[22:00] eldad87: and it doesn't work...
[22:00] eldad87: what do you mean...
[22:01] AvianFlu: in the script
[22:01] AvianFlu: where it says 127.0.0.1
[22:01] AvianFlu: replace it with 0.0.0.0
[22:01] eldad87: why not *
[22:01] eldad87: cool, 0.0.0.0 did the work :)
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[22:02] eldad87: but how can I run this thing as a service.. like an apache
[22:02] AvianFlu: there are a few ways to do it
[22:02] AvianFlu: there are a few node programs that can do it, like forever
[22:03] AvianFlu: there are things like upstart and monit
[22:03] AvianFlu: and then there's the nohup command
[22:03] abjorn: Man, HostGator has thousands of nameservers...hostgator.com must have like the longest zonefile in existence
[22:03] eldad87:    cool, the express framework is installed as well..
[22:04] mkrecny: what does JS stand for?
[22:04] AvianFlu: JavaScript
[22:04] AvianFlu: be advised, no relation to Java
[22:04] creationix: lol
[22:04] eldad87: AvianFlu: http://howtonode.org/deploying-node-upstart-monit
[22:04] creationix: eldad87: people still read that old article?
[22:04] eldad87: creationix, i dunno.. i just found it
[22:04] mkrecny: do y'all use nvm in production?
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[22:05] creationix: I do
[22:05] creationix: nvm + upstart
[22:05] creationix: no monit though
[22:05] DrMcKay: creationix: btw, do you still maintain nvm?
[22:05] eldad87: nvm?
[22:05] creationix: DrMcKay: yes, but I'm getting pretty burned by pull requests breaking stuff
[22:05] eldad87: what's NVM guys
[22:05] onethirtyfive: I like turtles.
[22:05] DrMcKay: creationix: mine doesn't (hopefully)
[22:06] mkrecny: DrMcKay can you fix my zero point module?
[22:06] onethirtyfive: also, hi everyone.
[22:06] creationix: https://github.com/creationix/nvm
[22:06] eldad87: version manager?
[22:06] DrMcKay: mkrecny: yeah, sure, what's broken?
[22:06] eldad87: so you created the project and you get buren?
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[22:06] creationix: eldad87: Node Version Manager
[22:06] DrMcKay: mkrecny: I mean, I once blew a galaxy when trying to upgrade it
[22:06] mkrecny: DrMcKay: I'm not sure, but it fell into the hands of the wraith
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[22:07] DrMcKay: mkrecny: oh. well. whoops.
[22:07] creationix: eldad87: not to be confused with npm, the Node Package Manager
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[22:07] eldad87: yes sure
[22:07] eldad87: is it good? is it working properly?
[22:07] mkrecny: creationix: do you have a newer best practice for deploying w/ upstart + nvm?
[22:07] DrMcKay: mkrecny: I guess I have to go. call Sheppard.
[22:07] creationix: nvm is a bash function that installs node, npm is a node script that installs packages
[22:08] mkrecny: DrMcKay: f that i'll call zalenka
[22:08] creationix: mkrecny: I don't think "best practices" exist in a work that changes so fast, but yes, I have a current pattern
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[22:08] eldad87: Guys, thank you for your great help! appreciate that!
[22:08] DrMcKay: mkrecny: hey, but I'm better than him!
[22:08] eldad87: GN all
[22:08] mkrecny: creationix: is it the one expressed in 'that old article'?
[22:08] creationix: DrMcKay: what's your github handle?  
[22:09] DrMcKay: creationix: mmalecki
[22:09] DrMcKay: creationix: it's the most recent one, I beliebe
[22:09] DrMcKay: *believe
[22:09] creationix: DrMcKay: pulled!
[22:09] creationix: looks safe
[22:09] mkrecny: DrMcKay: need a puddle jumper?
[22:09] DrMcKay: creationix: :)
[22:09] creationix: if people complain it broke things, I'm coming to your house
[22:10] DrMcKay: creationix: sure, feel invited ;)
[22:10] creationix: mkrecny: so, I deploy with nvm, npm, and upstart on Ubuntu server on linode
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[22:11] mkrecny: creationix: that much (linode aside) i assumed - I'll dig around - cheers
[22:11] creationix: mkrecny: have any questions?
[22:11] DrMcKay: 
ACTION feels like shopping creationix's face onto some ganster-looking photo

[22:11] creationix: mkrecny: I can gist my upstart scripts, for example, if that helps
[22:12] creationix: mkrecny: my old, mostly deploy method is here http://howtonode.org/deploying-node-with-spark
[22:12] creationix: mkrecny: I don't use spark or ivy anymore though
[22:13] creationix: nvm replaces ivy, and I just launch the server on one core, so spark isn't needed
[22:13] mkrecny: creationix: how about the upstart + monit article?
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[22:13] creationix: people had trouble with it I seem to remember
[22:13] mkrecny: that was pre-nvm?
[22:13] creationix: yeah, nvm is newer
[22:13] creationix: ivy was a node distribution with pre-built binaries I tried to build
[22:13] creationix: never took off
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[22:14] DrMcKay: oh, lol. my bot can't be killed now
[22:14] DrMcKay: !ping
[22:14] dmkbot: DrMcKay, pong
[22:14] DrMcKay: but it's alive
[22:14] creationix: mkrecny: basically, it's like this: 1- add package.json to your project that defined dependencies, 2-clone the repo on your server, 3- run "npm install" in the clone, 4-write upstart script and start it
[22:14] DrMcKay: time for `killall -9` cannon
[22:15] creationix: mkrecny: oh, and build node using nvm goes in there before step 3
[22:15] creationix: then put the path to nvm's node in the upstart
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[22:15] DrMcKay: or I will let it work and go asleep.
[22:15] mkrecny: creationix: got it
[22:15] mkrecny: creationix: thank you
[22:16] creationix: :)
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[22:17] mkrecny: creationix: right now i'm doing pretty much that but using and init.d script rather than upstart
[22:17] creationix: that works
[22:17] creationix: mkrecny: the only problem with just upstart or init.d is there are bugs in node that make a server die, but the process doesn't die
[22:18] creationix: it will just be running idle and never accept connections
[22:18] DrMcKay: this one seems cool: https://github.com/beatgammit/updating-server
[22:18] creationix: something like monit could help with that
[22:18] DrMcKay: and it can restart things automagically
[22:18] mkrecny: creationix: I've been using forever in the init.d script
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[22:18] DrMcKay: and supports systemctl
[22:18] creationix: that works
[22:18] jmoyers: i've had a bug recently where forever, or some damn thing, is starting like 20 odd node processes over a period of time
[22:19] jmoyers: it… is a bummer
[22:19] mkrecny: creationix: haven't experienced the behavior you just described though
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[22:19] creationix: mkrecny: I saw it mostly with ssl or streaming large media files
[22:19] mkrecny: creationix: hmm - about to migrate a large twitter site-streaming process to ssl
[22:20] creationix: ask mjr_ about ssl issues, he's used it a lot in production
[22:20] creationix: my site is fairly low traffic and very simple code
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[22:20] guy: isaacs: [root@ns25269 ~]# npm ls forever
[22:20] guy: npm WARN ls doesn't take positional args. Try the 'search' command
[22:21] mkrecny: creationix: will do thanks
[22:21] guy: is this normal behaviour? I am just following the book hands on nodejs
[22:21] DrMcKay: creationix: btw, how did this video serving thing end up?
[22:21] creationix: it used 100+GB of bandwidth before the interest died out
[22:21] jmoyers: yes, thats normal behavior guy 
[22:21] DrMcKay: creationix: oh man. this video was like < 100 MB
[22:22] creationix: DrMcKay: other than running out of file descriptors when there were too many concurrent viewers, the node process handled it great
[22:22] creationix: DrMcKay: yeah, like 10 or 20mb
[22:22] guy: jmoyers: the book says that it should list all packages that contain 'forever' string in the name
[22:22] jmoyers: nope
[22:22] jmoyers: typo
[22:22] jmoyers: thats npm search
[22:22] guy: how can I list all available forever package version
[22:22] DrMcKay: creationix: because it's node :). ulimit -n is a problem sometimes
[22:22] DrMcKay: creationix: anyway, you're famous ;)
[22:23] jmoyers: npm ls shows a list of the dependencies for the current project you're in
[22:23] jmoyers: guy thats a good question
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[22:23] jmoyers: i'd go to http://search.npmjs.org/#/forever ;-)
[22:24] jmoyers: but im sure theres a way on the cli
[22:24] creationix: DrMcKay: yeah, so that's only about 10k views, but more than I get on most days.
[22:25] guy: 
ACTION tries to install 0.6.6 instead of 0.6.7 and see if that will work

[22:25] DrMcKay: also, is there a way to get number of open file descriptors without doing nasty things with /proc?
[22:25] creationix: howtonode.org averages about 2k visitors a day, I suspect most are bots
[22:25] jmoyers: guy there's probably a better way, but npm view shows that data
[22:26] creationix: DrMcKay: no idea
[22:26] DrMcKay: creationix: install Google Analytics, it's very useful
[22:26] creationix: DrMcKay: but with a smart fd cache, I could easily re-use the fd for multiple streaming clients.  I think I can at least
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[22:26] creationix: no reason for a single file to have hundreds of fd's for the same file
[22:26] ReshadN: Hello friends
[22:26] DrMcKay: yeah, I suppose that's libuv thing, I'll harass core guys tomorrow
[22:27] DrMcKay: creationix: or just use a static file server
[22:27] creationix: blasphemy! 
[22:27] creationix: ;)
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[22:27] DrMcKay: creationix: :D
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[22:27] guy: OMG. isaacs. the 0.6.6 does actually work! so all this time it was some sort of bug of 0.6.7
[22:27] guy: good two hours wasted.
[22:27] ReshadN: Ok I'm kicking off a new project... bigger than any other project I've ever done. It's going to be a major learning experience for myself and I'm putting all my eggs in one basket... that's the node.js basket. So I have some questions about feasibility/options with Node as a base/ framework.
[22:28] creationix: besides, people want to use node in production, they are always asking how it holds up.  If I don't even use it for my small static sites, how much trust can I give others
[22:28] DrMcKay: creationix: no, a node static server
[22:28] creationix: DrMcKay: it is
[22:28] DrMcKay: cloudhead had a pretty decent one
[22:28] creationix: DrMcKay: but a simple noe
[22:28] creationix: DrMcKay: nah, I've written a few, better use one of mine
[22:29] DrMcKay: creationix: OK
[22:29] DrMcKay: 
ACTION rewrites all his apps

[22:29] creationix: ReshadN: ask away
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[22:29] DrMcKay: creationix: also, you could simply load that file into memory and just serve it
[22:30] ReshadN: Ok.. this is going to be an inventory management system... possibly 100k plus database...
[22:30] creationix: DrMcKay: indeed, but I have multiple gigabyte media files too, that's not a good path long term
[22:30] ReshadN: key aspects of this system should be reliability and security.. as I guess all systems depend on these features
[22:30] DrMcKay: it gets even better with latest v8 patch
[22:30] ReshadN: would you recommend building a web app with node/ express/ etc. Or do you think it's unrealistic at this point to build a full scale web app?
[22:30] creationix: DrMcKay: nah, the v8 patch doesn't affect that.  Buffers are outside v8 already.  I have an experimental node database running about 16gb of stuff in ram
[22:31] creationix: ReshadN: express is fine
[22:31] DrMcKay: creationix: ah, sneaky. good to know
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[22:31] dshaw_: Any #joyent peeps around who can help sdwrage get setup on no.de?
[22:32] sdwrage: :)
[22:32] ReshadN: any advantages of express over rails? and do you think it'll take longer to build a node app vs a ruby based app?
[22:32] creationix: ReshadN: probably the hardest part will be robustness, uncaught exceptions do nasty things to node programs
[22:32] tjholowaychuk: ReshadN express is very non-rails
[22:32] creationix: ReshadN: and you can't catch exceptions in third-party code if it's behind even a single callback
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[22:33] creationix: tjholowaychuk: do you still have that MVC example in express?
[22:33] DrMcKay: oh, it's a great day, I'm going to sleep before 5 AM!
[22:33] tbranyen: https://github.com/jquery/jquery/pull/331
[22:33] guy: new error
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[22:33] guy: 2011/09/19 22:33:39 [error] 18542#0: *69 connect() failed (111: Connection refused) while connecting to upstream, client: 87.194.30.147, server: node.anuary.com, request: "GET /test.php HTTP/1.1", upstream: "http://127.0.0.1:3000/test.php", host: "node.anuary.com" 
[22:33] tbranyen: crap wrong channel
[22:33] tjholowaychuk: creationix yup i think so
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[22:33] DrMcKay: good night everyone
[22:34] ReshadN: tjholowaychuk: can you explain further on the express vs rails point please?
[22:34] tjholowaychuk: ReshadN express is more like sinatra (the framework that inspired express originally)
[22:34] ReshadN: creationix: do you think it's worth spending the time to build in node now?
[22:34] Vertice: it's lot of fun
[22:34] creationix: tjholowaychuk: how do you guys structure your productions express apps.  I assume learnboost uses it?
[22:34] creationix: ReshadN: I do, but you should be aware of the weaknesses
[22:35] creationix: ReshadN: some problems are a lot easier and some are harder, it's just different
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[22:35] tjholowaychuk: creationix we just have our routes split out into logical files, ./routes/{student,teacher}.js blah blah
[22:35] creationix: tjholowaychuk: so somewhat controller oriented?
[22:35] tjholowaychuk: nope
[22:35] tjholowaychuk: still app.get etc in there
[22:35] ReshadN: creationix: good points.. but it's not helping me make the decision faster haha ... but I appreciate the time
[22:36] creationix: more http interface oriented than
[22:36] tjholowaychuk: there are some benefits to controllers but also more difficult to debug and at times trickier to reason with
[22:36] ReshadN: creationix: got any recommendations for a full stack?
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[22:36] tjholowaychuk: I find it really beneficial to get what you see
[22:36] creationix: ReshadN: express is the most popular and thus will have the most support
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[22:36] creationix: ReshadN: tjholowaychuk wrote it and uses it as work
[22:37] tjholowaychuk: creationix / ReshadN there are plugins like this as well https://github.com/visionmedia/express-resource
[22:37] creationix: tjholowaychuk: nah, I prefer the raw route interface, I was just wondering what you ended up using for actual apps
[22:37] tjholowaychuk: i prefer it too
[22:37] creationix: when i write frameworks, it's easy to lose touch with reality about what actually works in practice
[22:38] mkrecny: come on barbie let's go party
[22:38] guy: http://node.anuary.com/
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[22:38] guy: my first Node.js Hello world.
[22:38] guy: Finally
[22:38] ReshadN: tjholowaychuk: recommendations on databases?
[22:38] guy: took a lot of time to fight the dependency issues
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[22:39] creationix: guy: really?  I've found npm to make that part really easy, just define what you want in package.json and "npm install"
[22:39] tjholowaychuk: ReshadN we use mongo, but a lot of node people seem to use either mongo or couch
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[22:39] creationix: ReshadN: also redis is great for shared sessions
[22:39] tjholowaychuk: I dont have much of an opinion
[22:39] tjholowaychuk: they all are annoying
[22:39] tjholowaychuk: in different ways from what i've seen
[22:39] guy: creationix: seem like simply that didn't work on my server.
[22:39] ReshadN: creationix: tjholowaychuk I feel very empowered right now guys. I should have came on and asked these questions a few days ago... would have saved me serious time
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[22:41] creationix: ReshadN: I love node because it's gives me control.  Even callbacks vs threads in other languages is simple more control
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[22:41] creationix: no random process preemtive threads that can happen at any time
[22:41] creationix: I control when control flow changes explicitly
[22:42] tjholowaychuk: ReshadN if it's any help I would use node regardless of performance
[22:42] tjholowaychuk: even if it were comparable to rails
[22:42] tbranyen: same
[22:42] tbranyen: i think the performance argument is stale
[22:42] tbranyen: discussion, even
[22:42] creationix: and most the ecosystem is very modular full of simple packages that work together
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[22:43] creationix: that doesn't work for some teams, some prefer a single monolithic framework that tells them how to think
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[22:43] ctide: i hate thinking
[22:44] creationix: ctide: then you're in the wrong room ;)
[22:44] tbranyen: http://www.borntofilm.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/i-hate-thinking.gif
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[22:44] ctide: yessss
[22:45] ReshadN: creationix: tjholowaychuk Now my other dilemma is where to start? It's the biggest project I've ever even considered. So I'm starting from scratch... my background is front-end development... just getting my feet wet with server-side full stack development and even node
[22:45] ReshadN: is this bigger than one man? haha
[22:45] creationix: ReshadN: probably
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[22:45] creationix: ReshadN: how critical is it if you fail the first time or two?
[22:45] halcyon918: hey folks... I'm trying to add some middleware to an Express "get" call, where the middleware exists in a separate file.. is this feasible?  var middleware = require('./middleware.js'); app.get('/', middleware.doSomething, ...);
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[22:45] ReshadN: actually it's not critical if I fail the first few times
[22:46] creationix: ReshadN: if you can afford to fail and start over, then it's probably fine
[22:46] halcyon918: and middleware.js has:   exports.doSomething(...)
[22:46] tjholowaychuk: halcyon918 nothing wrong with that
[22:46] halcyon918: er, exports.doSomething = function ...
[22:46] tjholowaychuk: require() is the way to go for sure
[22:46] creationix: halcyon918: module.exports = function setup(args, go, here){ some code; return function handle(req, res, next); };
[22:47] creationix: halcyon918: something like that
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[22:47] creationix: then you use it with `require('./mymodule')(setup, args, here)`
[22:47] halcyon918: tjholowaychuk: I tried it but now my express "get" isn't working... all I did was move the function to a separate js, export the function, require the middleware, but then app.get stopped working
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[22:48] halcyon918: not getting any errors at the console either
[22:49] halcyon918: I'm getting a screenshot, one sec
[22:49] Skyec: it sounds like you need to break it down into simplier code
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[22:50] halcyon918: that's what I'm trying to do :P
[22:50] halcyon918: So here's the Express code: http://screencast.com/t/fxxclFm8
[22:51] halcyon918: which delegates to the middleware: http://screencast.com/t/G9N8XBqD
[22:51] halcyon918: (I've trimmed a bit off that's a bit verbose)
[22:51] halcyon918: all this code works fine when the "getNode" function is in the same file as Express
[22:51] halcyon918: when I moved the getNode function to the middleware file, it stopped
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[22:52] halcyon918: (I just noticed I trimmed off the "next" call at the bottom of the middleware.js file.. it's there, I just didn't include it in the screenshot
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[22:54] nuck: So, are there any template engines that handle the head/body divide well?
[22:55] tbranyen: say what
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[22:55] nuck: If I want partials in a page, but some have styles they need, I want said styles in the head
[22:55] halcyon918: I'm an idiot guys... nevermind my question
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[22:56] dreamdust: Keep an array of JS scripts that gets added to until the final page render
[22:56] nuck: huh?
[22:56] chapel: nuck: jade has layouts you can specify manually, or per partial
[22:56] nuck: chapel: layouts?
[22:57] chapel: yeah
[22:57] nuck: WTF is that?
[22:57] chapel: its the file that governs the structure of the html
[22:57] chapel: and where the includes go
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[22:58] chapel: html
[22:58] chapel:     include includes/head
[22:58] chapel:     body
[22:58] chapel:       h1 My Site
[22:58] chapel:       p Welcome to my super amazing site.
[22:58] chapel:       include includes/foot
[22:58] chapel: thats a layout.jade file
[22:58] nuck: Cool trick, but I need partials, not layouts.
[22:58] nuck: I need a partial to be able to modify the head of my layout
[22:58] mjr_: Oh man, HTTPS issues.
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[22:59] mjr_: creationix: I've certainly had a lot of them, and unfortunately, I've had to patch node around them.
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[23:01] chapel: nuck: where are you inserting this partial?
[23:01] nuck: chapel: In the body
[23:01] chapel: ... all I can say is read the docs
[23:01] nuck: Read the docs *for what*?
[23:01] chapel: jade
[23:01] creationix: mjr_: I think I've seen the issues, but I don't run a lot of stuff through https
[23:01] chapel: it does what you want
[23:01] nuck: chapel: You sure, because I'm pretty sure it doesn't.
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[23:02] creationix: mjr_: that was all supposed to be fixed in v0.4.0 ;)
[23:02] mjr_: creationix: it got usable in 0.4.0, for sure
[23:02] chapel: nuck: on res.render you can send it css files you want included
[23:02] mjr_: Still have some mysteries under production load.
[23:02] creationix: mjr_: yeah, there was improvement
[23:02] creationix: webOS still has v0.2.3 and streaming, especially over https is not an option
[23:02] nuck: chapel: I don't want it on res.render, I want it in my partials
[23:03] nuck: creationix: WebOS is still on v0.2.3?
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[23:03] nuck: Is it possible to upgrade to a newer version?
[23:03] creationix: small requests to things like https web servieces work most the time
[23:03] creationix: nuck: it's coming
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[23:03] nuck: creationix: I'm pretty sure I'm gonna try to get a TouchPad if the final round ever hits the general public
[23:04] luxigo: I have a binary module for node using a multiplatrform library i'd like to port to windows (eek!)... it compiles but I dont know how to make it usable...  maybe you ?...
[23:04] chapel: nuck, you can include style files anywhere in html
[23:04] CIA-54: libuv: 03Igor Zinkovsky 07master * ree115bf 10/ src/win/process.c : windows: fail uv_spawn() if options.file is NULL - http://git.io/8UpESA
[23:04] ReshadN: creationix: so where can I find a node.js mentor?
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[23:04] nuck: chapel: Sure, if you want shitty HTML, go ahead.
[23:04] creationix: ReshadN: this room is helpful for sure
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[23:04] creationix: ReshadN: There are online books and blogs
[23:04] chapel: but whatever, investigate yourself
[23:04] creationix: ReshadN: mine is howtonode.org
[23:04] ReshadN: I don't doubt that this room is VERY helpful... and howtonode.org has been awesome for me
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[23:05] ReshadN: but I'm ready to move from tutorials and online blogs to serious/specific questions
[23:05] chapel: ReshadN: just ask in here
[23:05] ReshadN: I'd rather not clutter the space here with a constant flow of questions... haha
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[23:05] chapel: if someone is around to help, they will
[23:06] ReshadN: awesome.. thanks again fellas... will be back tonight to start the template of this project
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[23:10] creationix: luxigo: if it compiles, you can just require the generated binary?
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[23:10] blueadept: how do i print these variable reference names and not their values? http://pastie.org/private/kflts0r55vtcbe9namahoq
[23:10] creationix: luxigo: I haven't gotten my addons to build on windows or even osx
[23:11] tbranyen: i had to do some nasty hacks to get my addon that has a shared lib to work in windows
[23:11] tbranyen: haven't tried with node.exe yet tho
[23:11] tbranyen: just cygwin
[23:11] creationix: luxigo: what's your goal
[23:11] creationix: luxigo: you already have the array v and you want to know what went into it originally?
[23:12] luxigo: maybe it's because i dont know how dlls are working... i created a dll project and added the sources and libs .. it compiles but i cant load it
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[23:12] creationix: err, sorry that was for blueadept
[23:12] creationix: luxigo: I don't know anything about windows, don't let me lead you astray
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[23:13] blueadept: creationix: well the reason is basically i'm filtering for null values
[23:13] creationix: blueadept: if all you're given is an array with values in it, there is no way to know how those values got in there
[23:13] blueadept: if the value is null, i want to assign it ''
[23:13] blueadept: if not, i want the value to then be sanitized
[23:13] blueadept: from an string int to a real int
[23:13] creationix: blueadept: Array.prototype.map
[23:13] luxigo: i dont know neither and I hate windows :-) but i need it running on it since most potential customers are using windows...
[23:13] blueadept: ah yes
[23:13] blueadept: thats what i was missing
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[23:13] blueadept: thank you
[23:13] creationix: v.map(function (value, index) { return new value; })
[23:14] creationix: except not "new value" my pseudo code turned out to be valid code that time
[23:15] creationix: luxigo: I do know that the windows's addon story isn't solved yet
[23:15] creationix: Currently the core team is porting node to native windows, but afaik, addons won't be first-class in windows for a while
[23:16] blueadept: creationix: it still prints either the array position, which is 0,1,? or the actual values that i assigned them to begin with
[23:16] blueadept: hm
[23:16] nuck: creationix: I think isaacs is already trying to get NPM working on Windows
[23:16] creationix: blueadept: map returns a new array
[23:17] nuck: Once that happens, non-native modules will be first-class on Windows
[23:17] creationix: nuck: sure, but that won't help for binary addons if the build system isn't worked out yet
[23:17] luxigo: creationix: javascript addons are working yet
[23:17] nuck: And I recall something about compiled addons being posted as binaries on npm or something
[23:17] creationix: nuck: right, js addons should be working shortly
[23:17] luxigo: creationix: im not far i try some more..
[23:17] luxigo: at least it compiles :-)
[23:17] creationix: I haven't even executed the node.exe, so don't trust me
[23:18] nuck: creationix: Nor have I
[23:18] luxigo: i compiled it to have the libs
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[23:18] nuck: I used Cygwin 'til the day I switched to Linux
[23:18] Skyec: that's a good python alternative to ndm on Windows
[23:18] Skyec: *there's a good
[23:18] luxigo: using virtualbox
[23:18] Skyec: its called ryppi
[23:18] nuck: Skyec: pssssh nobody cars
[23:18] nuck: *cares
[23:18] nuck: I CAN'T CAR
[23:18] Skyec: i care and i'm not a nobody
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[23:19] creationix: Skyec: don't worry, just because "nobody" cares doesn't preclude anyone else from caring.  
[23:19] creationix: ;)
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[23:20] Skyec: only issue I'm having on Windows is debugging node
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[23:25] Brandon_R: hello
[23:25] Brandon_R: i have an idea
[23:26] Brandon_R: i mean a question
[23:26] joshkehn: Brandon_R: Ooo. And idea.
[23:26] joshkehn: Shucks.
[23:26] joshkehn: Easy or hard?
[23:26] Brandon_R: easy
[23:26] joshkehn: 
ACTION hopes

[23:26] joshkehn: Lay it on.
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[23:26] Brandon_R: what is a good application to build that i can get to know nodes lower level stuff like buffers and making c++ addons etc?
[23:27] Brandon_R: what was that editor again bro, the one you send me to?
[23:27] joshkehn: Sublime?
[23:27] joshkehn: Or vico?
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[23:27] joshkehn: Um. I wouldn't rightly know. I don't do C++ addons. 
[23:28] joshkehn: Maybe write your own HTTP server manipulating bare sockets.
[23:28] joshkehn: Yeah. That would probably do. 
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[23:28] joshkehn: Might give you a migrane too. 
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[23:31] Brandon_R: i like migranes
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[23:31] Brandon_R: especially the ones i get from programming :P
[23:31] joshkehn: Brandon_R: I solve migranes with a giant costco bottle of Aleve. 
[23:32] Brandon_R: is vico for linux?
[23:32] joshkehn: Don't think so.
[23:32] joshkehn: Sublime Text 2 should work
[23:32] Brandon_R: isn't mac and linux both unix platforms so why can't mac apps work on linux?
[23:32] joshkehn: It's FreeBSD vs. Linux.
[23:33] Dmitrijus: Brandon_R: linux = linux is not unix :)
[23:34] Brandon_R: oh
[23:34] Brandon_R: so mac apps should work on freebsd?
[23:34] joshkehn: Was I unclear on that? Opps.
[23:34] joshkehn: No, not really
[23:34] Brandon_R: i need to read up on this stuff
[23:35] Brandon_R: what would you say is the cloest textmate clone for linux
[23:35] Brandon_R: eclipse and netbeans are too heavy for me
[23:35] Dmitrijus: Brandon_R: just start using vim, trust me, in a year or two it's gonna be the best editor you've evar known :)
[23:35] joshkehn: Sublimt Text 2
[23:35] joshkehn: But Vim really rocks
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[23:36] Brandon_R: i use emacs but it had too many options
[23:36] Brandon_R: i like the clean look of textmate
[23:36] joshkehn: Try Sublime.
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[23:37] Brandon_R: k
[23:37] Brandon_R: does it support jade and less?
[23:38] joshkehn: You don't need either. 
[23:38] joshkehn: ;)
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[23:38] joshkehn: It's compatible with all TextMate bundles.
[23:38] joshkehn: So it should.
[23:38] Brandon_R: cool
[23:38] Brandon_R: i'll try it out
[23:38] Brandon_R: emacs is still good for erlang though as it's its offcial editor :)
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[23:39] Brandon_R: do you guys know erlang? im learning it
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[23:39] Dmitrijus: Brandon_R: i know it pretty well
[23:39] Brandon_R: cool
[23:39] Brandon_R: what apps have you made using it so far?
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[23:40] Brandon_R: i was thinking of making a nodejs + erlang interface just for fun
[23:40] Dmitrijus: Brandon_R: nothing open source, i'm afraid :)
[23:40] Brandon_R: ok :) anything i know or may have used then?
[23:41] Dmitrijus: nope :)
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[23:41] Dmitrijus: Brandon_R: why would you want to write nodejs interface? :)
[23:42] Dmitrijus: the programing models are quite different :)
[23:42] Brandon_R: just for fun. to gain a better understand of node and erlang.
[23:43] Brandon_R: do you have a github?
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[23:47] lz: anyone interested in an iOS socket.io wrapper?
[23:48] jmoyers: lz there is one already, no?
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[23:49] lz: there's a websocket specific one
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[23:50] lz: just judging interest, I wrote a simple wrapper and i'd like to clean it up and push it to the community
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[23:53] jmoyers: Iz i know i talked to someone at node camp that was doing socketio wrapped in a webview instance with javascript core bindings
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[23:54] jmoyers: lz ^
[23:54] jmoyers: and theres this: https://github.com/fpotter/socketio-cocoa
[23:54] lz: that's actually what i'm doing as well
[23:54] lz: the socketio-cocoa project doesn't work anymore
[23:54] lz: which is why I wrote the wrapper
[23:54] jmoyers: ah
[23:55] jmoyers: well, im a mac desktop developer, but I do most of my communication via regular old sockets in real time situations, haven't run into the use case where socketio would be convenient yet
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[23:57] lz: I'd have to agree with you actually. I needed it purely for a quick ios prototype where socket.io was already being used for the web client.
[23:58] lz: Actually I think there are issues with socket.io over cell networks
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[23:58] mjr_: There are issues with all sorts of protocols over cell networks.
[23:59] rabidsnail: I can't get amqp to play nice with cluster. Messages from rabbitmq go to a random worker.
[23:59] mjr_: It'd be fun to have a really good socketio implementation on iOS
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[23:59] rabidsnail: which is strange, because pg and redis don't seem to be having this problem
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[23:59] nuck: paul graham and redis?
[23:59] lz: the wrapper works fine over wifi but has it's hiccups and timeouts over 3g
[23:59] nuck: I am confus.