[00:00] beriberikix: vicapow: So I have initialization code that needs to fetch something first before anything else can run
[00:00] vicapow: beriberikix: so pass it a callback
[00:00] brainproxy: beriberikix: i created a gist last night for someone who is asking about something similar
[00:01] brainproxy: https://gist.github.com/1210750
[00:01] brainproxy: the same principle could be used in your case, slightly adjusted of course
[00:01] brainproxy: or even just a simple callback might be enough
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[00:03] beriberikix: brainproxy: vicapow: I'm not sure I follow. What if many subsequent calls come in, a single callback won't be sufficient. 
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[00:03] beriberikix: Or I'm missing the mark
[00:04] KyleReese301: maybe i should start here: I currently have windows with apache running ( WAMP ) and i want to have Node.js running on apache as well, is this possible?
[00:04] brainproxy: beriberikix: then you may need to setup an evented flow with the help of EventEmitter
[00:04] ritch: brainproxy: nice gist… I like how the same concept could work for parallel operations
[00:05] brainproxy: ritch: thanks, maybe take a look at creationix's Step or TameJS
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[00:05] brainproxy: http://tamejs.org/
[00:06] ritch: i like the idea of not using a library to handle async patterns
[00:06] beriberikix: brainproxy: allrighty, I'll dig into eventemitter docs a bit. Thanks guys.
[00:06] ritch: just keep it simple, ie your gist
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[00:07] brainproxy: beriberikix: sure thing, feel free to ask more questions, we're all learning here :)
[00:07] brainproxy: ritch: sure, I can appreciate that :)
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[00:08] beriberikix: brainproxy: gracias :), I'll bbiab with more questions
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[00:09] ritch: i wish express worked more like that.. instead of calling next() emitting a done event so that middleware that do not depend on each other can process at the same time
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[00:09] tjholowaychuk: ritch that's not always ideal..
[00:10] tjholowaychuk: it would easily be possible to support serial/parallel but configuration would be much more complex
[00:10] tjholowaychuk: certainly something to think about though
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[00:10] ritch: connect is awesome because its so simple
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[00:10] tjholowaychuk: connect does the same thing
[00:10] ritch: ya i know
[00:11] ritch: but doesnt that model fall apart if you want to stream a response?
[00:11] ritch: and request
[00:11] tjholowaychuk: not really no
[00:11] tjholowaychuk: to some degree
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[00:12] tjholowaychuk: ideally we would have some way to define a state machine in which certain things must happen before others, some parallel, some serial blah blah
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[00:13] ritch: 3.0?
[00:13] tjholowaychuk: serial is not ideal but it works, parallel would be a huge fail, a mixture would work but be more confusing etc
[00:13] tjholowaychuk: and then you need explicit end-points
[00:13] KyleReese301: when i surf to my localhost running Node.js ( in IIS ) i get HTTP error 500.19 - Internal Server Error
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[00:13] KyleReese301: anyone knows what i'm doing wrong?
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[00:14] ritch: what about opt-in parallel, leave app.use() the way it is
[00:15] tjholowaychuk: ritch yup it could be done
[00:15] tjholowaychuk: obviously it gets more confusing when you want to inject logic in there to say check if a user is authenticated etc
[00:16] tjholowaychuk: not a trivial thing to keep abstract
[00:16] qbert_: vicapow, are you on windows ?
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[00:16] qbert_: or using IE ?
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[00:17] ritch: right… its not going to be easy to reuse serial middleware
[00:18] qbert_: KyleReese301, do you have a need for IIS ?
[00:19] CIA-54: node: 03isaacs 07master * r8b6277a 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Update uv to 3c00d87b4239a6b8358e2085f806170c3eca10cf - http://git.io/OG7P8w
[00:19] CIA-54: node: 03isaacs 07master * r190abca 10/ test/simple/test-mkdir-rmdir.js : 
[00:19] CIA-54: node: mkdir EEXIST test
[00:19] CIA-54: node: Fixed on uv 3c00d87b4239a6b8358e2085f806170c3eca10cf - http://git.io/0Ym8SA
[00:19] qbert_: if not, just abandon it and use node directly, I setup node to work with apache its trivial, but only because it's on a server with a bunch of other stuff
[00:19] tjholowaychuk: ritch to some degree it's the choice of a) having an app that makes sense b) having an app that is slightly more responsive
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[00:20] qbert_: I side with "makes sense" every time
[00:20] tjholowaychuk: but like i said it's worth taking a better look into, i just dont have time right now, i've prototyped a few things though
[00:20] ritch: are they on github?
[00:21] tmzt: middleware that could match routes would be cool
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[00:22] tmzt: like saying /admin/(.*) is all protected by this callback
[00:22] tjholowaychuk: protected?
[00:22] tmzt: authentication
[00:22] tjholowaychuk: app.get('/admin/*', callback)?
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[00:22] tmzt: like that, but then you would just define the content as normal
[00:22] tjholowaychuk: or app.all('/admin/*', callback)
[00:23] tjholowaychuk: yeah
[00:23] tjholowaychuk: you can do that
[00:23] tjholowaychuk: just next() in there
[00:23] tmzt: ah
[00:23] tmzt: so what are they asking for
[00:23] tmzt: why parallel
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[00:23] tjholowaychuk: better latency in some cases
[00:24] tjholowaychuk: it would be great for some cases
[00:24] tjholowaychuk: ex uploads
[00:24] ritch: less memory if we can stream a req/res
[00:24] tmzt: just use raw for uploads :)
[00:24] tjholowaychuk: to be able to say i dont care about this data until the route
[00:24] tjholowaychuk: so run middleware and then dont exec the route until uploads are complete etc
[00:24] tmzt: and a subdomain
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[00:24] tjholowaychuk: but they are all leaky abstractions
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[00:24] tjholowaychuk: no app is identical so i dont want to make assumptions like that
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[00:25] KyleReese301: qbert_ the only reason i installed IIS is for Node.js
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[00:27] nuck: https://github.com/LearnBoost/mongoose/issues/517 filed an issue to get async setters
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[00:27] KyleReese301: hm i just found a way to run Node.js as a service on windows, i'll try that approach first now
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[00:28] qbert_: yeah, IIS just complicates things really
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[00:31] Murvin: any suggestion for simple CMS?
[00:31] ritch: rails
[00:32] tmzt: express + jade
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[00:33] Murvin: CMS... i looked at calipso, but too copmlicated
[00:33] maxogden: rails
[00:33] Murvin: lol
[00:33] Murvin: rails? 
[00:33] dlr928291: @Murvin : calipso, just looking at it.
[00:33] dlr928291: https://github.com/cliftonc/calipso
[00:33] Murvin: yeah. i look at it..too many things for my simple site.
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[00:34] tmzt: app.get('/pages/:page', function(req,res){res.render('pages/'+req.params.page)});
[00:35] tmzt: create a template in jade with !=body
[00:35] tmzt: put the partials in pages, if you prefer to use a db you can do that
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[00:39] dreamdust: Calipso is interesting… it's actually the most robust Drupal clone out there surprisingly. DruPy never really went anywhere.
[00:39] KyleReese301: lol i got it to work, "hello world" in my browser, epic :P
[00:40] ritch: calipso does look interesting, what was the complaint Murvin?
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[00:44] AAA_awright: Murvin: Then you probably don't want Node.JS... Which really is designed for other purposes
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[00:49] Murvin: AAA_awright: no i want node.js.  coz the site will build using node. worse come to worse , i just need to write a simple CMS.    lol. 
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[00:49] Murvin: or after that I can share the code. :)
[00:50] Murvin: i can't live without node...
[00:50] Murvin: i can't code without node
[00:50] brainproxy: Murvin: maybe look at zappa as a base layer? it's coffeescript oriented but you might like it
[00:50] AAA_awright: No, really, that screams "You're doing it wrong"
[00:51] brainproxy: AAA_awright: which part?
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[00:51] Murvin: lol
[00:51] Murvin: sure let take a look too
[00:51] dreamdust: Agreed with AAA_awright. Choose the technology stack to fit your project, not the other way around.
[00:51] Nuck|mobile: dreamdust: Pssssssh
[00:52] aho: but node is fun D:
[00:52] Murvin: because the technology fit  on all other sides
[00:52] AvianFlu_: and if someone is doing it for fun, the rest doesn't matter
[00:52] AvianFlu_: I can build a lot of funky stuff if I'm just trying to explore node
[00:52] dreamdust: What's wrong with Calipso?
[00:52] AAA_awright: Take it from someone literally writing a CMS for Node (which is far more advanced than you want, if calip.so is)
[00:53] AAA_awright: Also, Nuck|mobile, also writing a website/framework with user content
[00:54] AAA_awright: Wait but I guess you disagree
[00:54] Murvin: well.. what i need are not complicated.    a server & db (mongo) store page information.   the page is html template.  so depending on the parameters, i just display the proper content from mongo. that's so easy with express.
[00:54] AAA_awright: Also, http://magnode.org/ <== Shameless plug
[00:54] Murvin: just that, i need a nice interface for the admin to update the content.
[00:55] brainproxy: cool AAA_awright, thanks for the link
[00:56] AAA_awright: brainproxy: It's nowhere near completion and still doesn't manage to sell itself well, on why this new idea is so much better than existing systems
[00:56] Murvin: so,  capliso is far more complicate for simple task like that.. 
[00:56] Murvin: looking into magnode.  :)
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[00:57] Draggor: AAA_awright: magnode.org doesn't load!
[00:57] Murvin: i m on it
[00:57] AAA_awright: It doesn't? hmm
[00:57] AAA_awright: I am
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[00:57] Murvin: may be it only takes one user at a time. :)
[00:57] AAA_awright: It's cached by Nginx, no reason it should be
[00:57] CarterL: http://magnode.org/develop
[00:58] AAA_awright: Well it's not all finished
[00:58] CarterL: ahh
[00:58] Draggor: AAA_awright: did you update a dns record recently?
[00:58] CarterL: np :)
[00:58] AAA_awright: No
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[00:58] Nexxy: nginx caching over something liek varnish?
[00:58] Nexxy: y 4
[00:59] AAA_awright: No, just plain old Nginx
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[00:59] Nexxy: sorry, I meant
[00:59] Nexxy: why nginx rather than something like varnish
[00:59] AAA_awright: Nginx pretty much does it all, so, fewer moving parts
[01:00] Nexxy: are you using it to serve static resources as well?
[01:00] AAA_awright: Yeah
[01:00] Nexxy: ^-^
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[01:00] AAA_awright: If you want an update when there's something working posted (which is going to be a simple blog) see http://groups.google.com/group/magnode
[01:00] CarterL: AAA_awright: pretty slick
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[01:01] Murvin: empty group
[01:02] AAA_awright: I don't know if you follow all the bad marketing text I have written but the idea is you isomorphic transforms, i.e. RDFa, so you can extract the very same data used to generate the webpage, from the webpage
[01:02] AAA_awright: http://magnode.org/rdfa-templating/ if anyone's familiar with RDF
[01:03] AAA_awright: Murvin: Well naturally, there's no stable software yet :p
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[01:03] Murvin: :)
[01:04] qbert_: I'm still handle for loops and asynchonisity badly, how to people handle the case when you have to loop through a collection, in the loop you need an asynch call, and wait until all asynch calls have finished ?
[01:04] qbert_: handling*
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[01:05] ryah: qbert_: have a counter
[01:05] ryah: qbert_: when the counter is equal to the number of things in the loop, its done
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[01:06] AvianFlu_: ryah++
[01:06] v8bot_:  AvianFlu_ has given a beer to ryah. ryah now has 1 beers.
[01:06] jerrysv: .. 'test'
[01:06] qbert_: thats what I'm doing now, but my code is ugly, mostly I blame it on the formatter
[01:07] KyleReese301: ryah in your presentation, you used setInterval and if you connect to the server with the console you get hello world world world world, is it normal that when you visit it with your browser through localhost, that you get a problem?
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[01:07] qbert_: actually, I'm using a setTimeout, when counter == numberOfThings, execute callback etc
[01:07] qbert_: is that what you mean ?
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[01:12] ryah: KyleReese301: what?
[01:12] KyleReese301: wait i got a real noob question here
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[01:12] KyleReese301: > node c:\code\server.js
[01:12] KyleReese301: ...
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[01:12] KyleReese301: i get dots ... it doesnt start, what am i doing wrong
[01:13] jerrysv: KyleReese301: you're running node before running node
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[01:13] ryah: KyleReese301: windows?
[01:13] KyleReese301: yes
[01:14] ryah: KyleReese301: which version of windows?
[01:14] KyleReese301: windows 7
[01:14] ryah: hmm...
[01:14] KyleReese301: 64 bit
[01:14] KyleReese301: but i'm really new here, i only got to know about node.js only 3 hours ago or so
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[01:14] jerrysv: ryah: i think he's running node, then typing "node server.js" inside of node itself
[01:15] ryah: jerrysv: ah :)
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[01:15] ryah: KyleReese301: yes, exit node first :)
[01:15] KyleReese301: oh ok thx
[01:15] ritch: ryah: do you have any example use cases (ie: a gist) for process.createDomain()? Specifically for how it can help debug.
[01:16] ryah: ritch: that doesnt exist yet
[01:16] ritch: but to conceptualize it
[01:16] KyleReese301: yeah i got a PHP website with ajax and stuff and i was looking for a way to build a chat room with sockets, and then i found out about Node.js and i want to mix Node.js with PHP somehow, but there are not many resources available about that on the internet, yet
[01:17] tuhoojabotti: surely there is
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[01:18] tuhoojabotti: just drop the php ;)
[01:18] djMax: I know this is a dangerous question - is there an easy way to call a SOAP service from Node with "high end" features like client certs?
[01:19] bnoordhuis: djMax: node https library supports client certificates
[01:19] bnoordhuis: *node's
[01:19] CIA-54: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r0aad61e 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
[01:19] CIA-54: node: Use net_uv instead of net_legacy for stdio
[01:19] CIA-54: node: Also temporary hack to prevent process.stdout from keeping event loop alive
[01:19] CIA-54: node: by calling uv_unref on process.stdout initialization. - http://git.io/vavheA
[01:19] CIA-54: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r0928f0f 10/ (src/node.js test/simple/test-module-load-list.js): 
[01:19] CIA-54: node: Fix test-module-load-list
[01:19] CIA-54: node: and lazy load modules for process.stdout
[01:19] CIA-54: node: This probably breaks test-module-load-list on windows, but it hopefully is
[01:19] CIA-54: node: an easy fix to replace "_posix" bindings with "_win32". - http://git.io/AZ6EVA
[01:20] djMax: interesting, so I see that the douche module supposedly supports SOAP, and uses the http library, so yeah, maybe I have a shot in hell
[01:20] djMax: thanks!
[01:20] KyleReese301: c:\node>node c:\code\server.js
[01:20] KyleReese301: node.js:203
[01:20] KyleReese301:         throw e; // process.nextTick error, or 'error' event on first tick
[01:20] KyleReese301:               ^
[01:20] KyleReese301: Error: listen EADDRINUSE
[01:20] KyleReese301:     at errnoException (net_uv.js:557:11)
[01:20] KyleReese301:     at Array.<anonymous> (net_uv.js:632:28)
[01:20] djMax: though I don't see the client cert stuff in http.get
[01:20] KyleReese301:     at EventEmitter._tickCallback (node.js:195:26)
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[01:20] KyleReese301: any ideas on that error?
[01:21] KyleReese301: i used the exact same code in the JS file as on the presentation
[01:21] djMax: ah, setSecure
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[01:22] bnoordhuis: KyleReese301: it's considered polite to gist code and error messages instead of copy/pasting them in the main channel...
[01:22] KyleReese301: oh ok, i'm totally new on IRC and stuff like that, sorry
[01:22] ritch: KyleReese301: you most likely have another node process running at localhost:YOUR_PORT
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[01:22] ritch: or… another server
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[01:23] KyleReese301: oh yes that's probably it ritch
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[01:24] ritch: KyleReese301: if you aren't on github, you should try it, but you can use something like http://pastie.org/ to paste errors
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[01:25] CIA-54: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r8c87250 10/ (lib/util.js test/simple/test-module-load-list.js): 
[01:25] CIA-54: node: Do not load readline from util.inspect
[01:25] CIA-54: node: This causes all modules using console.log() to load readline which seems
[01:25] CIA-54: node: unnecessary. - http://git.io/WOTuvA
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[01:28] ryah: ritch: https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/74c6de1bbfdf2bcb5ec5c9fef1caa262b70ea1dc/test/simple/test-domains.js
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[01:33] ritch: ryah: thx!
[01:35] KyleReese301: i also got my stuff to work, thx for the help guys
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[01:35] ryah: ritch: dont bother trying to run it -it's broken
[01:35] ryah: ritch: but that's the idea
[01:35] ryah: KyleReese301: glad to help!
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[01:48] jhurliman: anyone have recommendations for a node redis client that works?
[01:49] jhurliman: :-S brb
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[01:52] killfill: hi
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[01:52] killfill: how do i make express responde to get and post?..  app.get_and_post(fn)
[01:52] killfill: ?
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[01:53] ritch: ryah: the example throws an error manually, are other errors a concern (ie syntax, method not defined, etc), or are those suppose to bubble up to uncaughtException?
[01:54] airportyh: killfill: app.all(fn)
[01:54] airportyh: http://expressjs.com/guide.html#routing
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[01:55] killfill: ooh, i pass over it without reading.. sorry
[01:55] killfill: airportyh: thanks!!
[01:55] airportyh: killfill: oops, sorry that's not what's for at all
[01:55] airportyh: that's more like a filter
[01:56] killfill: kinda works
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[01:57] cordoval: while installing zombie i get Checking for node path                   : not found 
[01:57] airportyh: killfill: mm, right, it might work for you
[01:57] cordoval: I am setting on my bashrc NODE_PATH="/usr/local/bin/node"
[01:57] cordoval: but still saying it did not find the path
[01:58] cordoval: can someone help me please? just trying to install zombie, I installed on ubuntu latest node (git) and npm with sudo, and now trying to do sudo npm install -g zombie
[01:59] cordoval: but it is not picking up and giving this error when i run 
[01:59] killfill: hm..
[01:59] killfill: airportyh: not really :S
[01:59] cordoval:  Can not instantiate server (node /tmp/mink_zombie_serverqYnokV):
[01:59] killfill: my fault
[01:59] cordoval: node.js:134 throw e; // process.nextTick error, or 'error' event on first tick  ^  Error: Cannot find module 'zombie'
[01:59] airportyh: killfill: what failed?
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[02:00] airportyh: cordoval: what output you get from npm?
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[02:00] cordoval: npm --version?
[02:00] airportyh: cordoval: udo npm install -g zombie
[02:01] airportyh: s/udo/sudo
[02:01] cordoval: airportyh: http://pastie.org/private/pzieo4llymeamkunfoivcq
[02:01] killfill: hm..
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[02:02] airportyh: cordoval: it installed okay
[02:02] maxogden: cordoval: you might want to use 0.4.x instead of trunk node
[02:02] airportyh: cordoval: I believe you need to set NODE_PATH=/usr/local/lib/node_modules/
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[02:03] cordoval: should I set both?
[02:03] cordoval: NODE_PATH="/usr/local/bin/node"
[02:03] cordoval: NODE_PATH="/usr/local/lib/node_modules/"
[02:03] cordoval: or just the latter one
[02:03] airportyh: maxogden: right, 0.5 is very unstable
[02:03] airportyh: just the latter
[02:03] airportyh: it should point to a directory
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[02:05] cordoval: something is wrong then
[02:05] cordoval:      Can not instantiate server (node /tmp/mink_zombie_serverAYx94i):    node.js:134              throw e; // process.nextTick error, or 'error' event on first tick              ^      Error: Cannot find module 'zombie'
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[02:06] cordoval: I was adding NODE_PATH="/usr/local/lib/node_modules/" on my .bashrc then source ~/.bashrc
[02:06] cordoval: I am now doing export
[02:07] cordoval: yes it seems now it is doing something, thanks airportyh
[02:07] cordoval: you rock man
[02:07] airportyh: cool, glad I could help
[02:09] cordoval: however now zombie says       Could not load resource for URL 'http://h.local/app_test.php/pickup'
[02:09] airportyh: and that works for your other browser?
[02:09] airportyh: don't know, try another url
[02:10] cordoval: yes it works when i load it in any other browser
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[02:10] ritch: try google.com in zombie
[02:10] airportyh: zombie might be buggy so...
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[02:10] tbranyen: zombie is very buggy
[02:10] tbranyen: along with jsdom
[02:10] cordoval: buggy??? this is serious testing :)
[02:11] airportyh: I would prefer phantomjs personally
[02:11] cordoval: is it faster?
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[02:11] cordoval: i need a headless browser to test javascript
[02:12] cordoval: that is compatible with behat
[02:12] airportyh: it's a full webkit browser, so you would run into bugs like w zombie
[02:12] cordoval: so it has a driver build on behat's mink component, zombie does have one
[02:12] airportyh: s/would/wont
[02:12] cordoval: for that i can use sahi, and i am, just wanted to run faster with the javascript
[02:12] airportyh: i might work for you
[02:13] airportyh: just saying zombie is buggy
[02:13] cordoval: oh ok
[02:13] cordoval: right
[02:13] cordoval: i will check with google although not sure how to write a short code for that
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[02:25] cordoval: wow i can't get zombie to give me some meaningful output at least to try to troubleshoot
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[02:28] SubStack: harmony should pull a perl6 and languish in obscurity while people get shit done in regular javascript
[02:28] AvianFlu: LOLWIN
[02:28] tbranyen: SubStack: python3 :-p
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[02:32] jesusabdullah: SubStack: :o of *course*!
[02:32] jesusabdullah: I think eventually python 3 is gonna take over
[02:33] Sorella: Python 3 is not that bad. It allows you to use the variables from the outter scope, which is already amazing by itself...
[02:33] jesusabdullah: Unlike perl 6 it didn't really have problems going gold
[02:33] Sorella: Harmony has loads of useless shit though. Quasiquotation is my favourite of them...
[02:33] jesusabdullah: It's a matter of api breaking changes and dependencies
[02:33] tmzt: SubStack: more like v8 gets alternative langauge ast support with the same backend
[02:33] tmzt: especially with google introducing yet another javascript preprocessor
[02:33] jesusabdullah: What does this one do?
[02:33] Sorella: tmzt, you mean Dart?
[02:34] tmzt: yeah
[02:34] tmzt: can't really figure out *what* it is
[02:34] Sorella: That's a full blown language with its own VM, no?
[02:34] Sorella: at least, from what I understood of the whole buzz.
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[02:39] cordoval: can anyone help me with my zombie error please?
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[02:39] cordoval: at least how to troubleshoot
[02:40] cordoval:       Could not load resource for URL 'http://h.local/app_test.php/pickup', the error is gotten here
[02:40] cordoval: https://github.com/Behat/Mink/pull/56/files#L5L-1
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[02:42] CIA-54: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * rcb6b9eb 10/ (node.gyp src/node_stdio_win32.cc): Fix windows build - http://git.io/RnG4ew
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[02:43] jesusabdullah: SubStack: You have to make that burrito-based language extension library now
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[02:43] SubStack: jesusabdullah: whycome?
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[02:44] SubStack: to kick harmony in the knees?
[02:44] jesusabdullah: because then there would be an evolution of javascript that's existing and instantly useful and, well
[02:44] jesusabdullah: kicking harmony in the balls
[02:44] jesusabdullah: yeah
[02:44] jesusabdullah: Too many strange decisions
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[02:45] jesusabdullah: What if you could rename parts? Like, in your program replace the function keyword to fn for example
[02:46] jesusabdullah: fn = function
[02:46] jesusabdullah: That'd be weird.
[02:47] Sorella: 
ACTION is not sure macros and token replacements work too well in JavaScript. It does have syntax...

[02:49] jesusabdullah: Technically, this library would be for defining a macro-ish preprocessor
[02:49] Nexxy: jesusabdullah, you could write in unicode! *herp derp*
[02:50] tuhoojabotti: derp
[02:50] jesusabdullah: but nexxy I don't know any words with unicodes in them!
[02:50] jesusabdullah: but you COULD
[02:50] jesusabdullah: if you were a DOUCHE
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[02:50] jesusabdullah: OH OH
[02:50] jesusabdullah: exception for breakfastscript
[02:51] tuhoojabotti: http://www.heyokay.com/images/hurr-durr.jpg Progress of Node
[02:52] jesusabdullah: ಠ_ಠ
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[02:54] Sorella: Change function tokens to 흺, && tokens to ⋀ and || tokens to ⋁. Remove conditional and control-flow statements :3
[02:54] maxogden: im just gonna leave this here https://gist.github.com/1007605
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[02:55] Sorella: (the only non-interesting part would be causing a stack-overflow for any non-trivial function)
[02:55] tuhoojabotti: Sorella: I can see none of those characters. :D
[02:55] tuhoojabotti: Your output encoding is to blame!
[02:56] jesusabdullah: Why not tokens that make more sense?
[02:56] tuhoojabotti: I agree with jesusabdullah.
[02:56] Sorella: tuhoojabotti, I'm pretty sure xchat is configured to utf-8
[02:56] Sorella: 
ACTION should stop using it entirely and use ERC instead...

[02:57] tuhoojabotti: irssi<3
[02:57] jesusabdullah: You could make some interestingly mathematical little interpreter
[02:57] jesusabdullah: tuhoojabotti: it's probably your ssh settings or shell settings
[02:57] tuhoojabotti: jesusabdullah: they are all wtf-8
[02:57] tuhoojabotti: But I think it's my gont
[02:57] tuhoojabotti: font*
[02:57] jesusabdullah: ah
[02:58] Sorella: tuhoojabotti, haha.
[02:59] Sorella: tuhoojabotti, which font do you use for terminal stuff?
[02:59] jesusabdullah: awww, the muffin one is cute
[02:59] tuhoojabotti: DejaVu Sans Mono :e
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[02:59] Sorella: tuhoojabotti, hm, it should display those symbols just fine.
[02:59] maxogden: jesusabdullah: harthur agrees http://twitter.com/#!/harthvader/status/91603076498202624
[03:00] jesusabdullah: :3
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[03:01] jesusabdullah: Why haven't I met harthur yet? Isn't she an sf jabbascripter?
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[03:02] maxogden: jesusabdullah: dunno, i dont keep tabs on your social activity 
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[03:03] jesusabdullah: sure, sure
[03:03] jesusabdullah: I've just been to a lot of shit is all
[03:05] JakeyChan: hi, 
[03:05] JakeyChan: simple question
[03:06] JakeyChan: function Server() {}; module.exports = Server; it can not work : var server = new  require('server')(); how to fix it ??:)
[03:06] JakeyChan: :)
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[03:07] tuhoojabotti: Perhaps new (require('server'))();
[03:08] JakeyChan: coooool, 
[03:08] JakeyChan: it works :)
[03:08] JakeyChan: thanks 
[03:08] tuhoojabotti: np
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[03:17] JakeyChan: is there have standard code style for node.js ??
[03:17] dreamdust: @JakeyChan: http://nodeguide.com/style.html
[03:17] JakeyChan: cool!
[03:17] JakeyChan: :D
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[03:32] dscape: anyone: any info where the stdout gets logged in no.de ?
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[03:39] nuck: dscape » node-service-log IIRC
[03:40] dscape: thanks nuck 
[03:40] nuck: Do the guys who work on Mongoose even know anything about optimizations required in serious servers? :/
[03:40] nuck: .where('name': /rover/i)
[03:40] nuck: Non-index search
[03:40] nuck: Very bad form
[03:41] nuck: Not to mention use of sync bcrypt in mongoose-auth
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[03:43] maxogden: nuck: http://i.imgur.com/wX9c9.png
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[03:46] JakeyChan: question: 
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[03:46] ruby-n-company: Would Node.js be good at running a process continually at an interval while waiting for it's data output? If so, is setInterval the best way to achieve that?
[03:46] JakeyChan: function Server() {this.prototype = new customobject(); } can it work: (new Server()).send(); the send method come from custom object :)
[03:47] maxogden: ruby-n-company: can you elaborate on what you mean by 'a process'?
[03:47] ruby-n-company: Such as top (parsed for important information) or responding to messages in a message queue and passing information along.
[03:48] ruby-n-company: I'm 85% sure that it does the second quite well, but I'm not sure about running child or forked processes and getting data back from them at intervals (doesn't have to be exact, but close enough_
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[03:49] maxogden: ruby-n-company: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.8/api/child_processes.html#child_process.exec
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[03:49] maxogden: ruby-n-company: you can do setInterval(function() { //exec code }, interval) if you want to run a command on an interval
[03:50] ruby-n-company: Would lock the run loop though correct?
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[03:51] maxogden: ruby-n-company: its async and buffered so it shouldnt 
[03:51] ruby-n-company: Ah okay.
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[03:53] ruby-n-company: If I was to run say 6 or so different child processes at a time, listening to the data method on stdout, -- would I be running into issues or should I create an eventemitter (sorry, still new to the language)?
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[03:56] maxogden: ruby-n-company: the stdout that you get back from exec is already an eventemitter so you can do stdout.on('data', callback) and stdout.on('exit', callback) i think
[03:56] ruby-n-company: maxogden: okay. Thanks =]
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[04:15] mecablaze: I am having some troubles with the https module. I am trying to make a request to https://www.fortify.net/sslcheck.html (as a test) and I keep getting "Error: socket hang up". Any ideas on what could be happening here?
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[04:18] nuck: maxogden » haha well it's mostly docs and examples which endorse bad practices, nothing major enough for me to bother with a pull request haha
[04:18] mecablaze: Do'h! Nevermind. I left the port as 80 >_<
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[04:22] mjijackson: Good evening #node.js
[04:23] mjijackson: Does anyone here know what is the current state of node-compress?
[04:23] mjijackson: The network of forks from waveto/node-compress on GitHub is huge.
[04:24] mjijackson: Just wondering if there's any fork that is the definitive one publishing releases to npm...
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[04:29] Qbix1: hey guys
[04:29] Qbix1: we shouldn't modify require.paths ??
[04:29] Qbix1: how do we set the include path then? what is the convention
[04:31] mjijackson: Qbix1: don't mess with the include path.
[04:31] random123: I think he would like to know why
[04:31] mjijackson: you only have a single point of entry into your lib
[04:32] Qbix1: and so?
[04:32] Qbix1: Basically my entire framework relies on having require.paths at the moment
[04:32] Qbix1: I suppose I can write my own "require" function
[04:33] mjijackson: Qbix1: require.paths is gone in 0.5
[04:33] Qbix1: yeah probably a good idea
[04:33] mjijackson: Qbix1: why do you need to modify the include path?
[04:33] Qbix1: oh it is, huh
[04:33] mjijackson: what are you trying to accomplish? there is probably a better way.
[04:33] Qbix1: mjijackson: because of the way my framework structured its files
[04:33] Qbix1: yeah, I will just write my own Q.reqiure( ) function
[04:34] Qbix1: crap it's already gone eh
[04:34] Qbix1: but require.paths can still be set, no?
[04:34] mjijackson: a pattern that i've seen lately is to just implement a bunch of getters on your main module
[04:34] Qbix1: it just won't be used?
[04:34] mjijackson: that use lazy relative requires as needed.
[04:35] mjijackson: Qbix1: not sure if you can still set it or not. will probably emit some kind of a warning.
[04:36] Qbix1: Q.require = function (what) {
[04:36] Qbix1: 	var realPath = Q.realPath(what);
[04:36] Qbix1: 	if (!realPath) return;
[04:36] Qbix1: 	return require(realPath); };
[04:36] Qbix1: how's that
[04:36] mjijackson: Qbix1: there was a thread on the mailing list about this a while ago.
[04:36] mjijackson: http://groups.google.com/group/nodejs/browse_thread/thread/7d9f4c9e3ae4ca33/bc27fc13e26099db?lnk=gst&q=require.paths#bc27fc13e26099db
[04:36] Qbix1: I never set it. I just did this:
[04:36] Qbix1: require.paths.unshift(Q.CLASSES_DIR);
[04:36] Qbix1: require.paths.unshift(Q.app.CLASSES_DIR);
[04:36] mjijackson: you could respond to that thread if you need further clarification.
[04:36] Qbix1: ok
[04:36] Qbix1: next question:
[04:37] Qbix1: what is the "request" module in Node.js ?
[04:37] Qbix1: how come I can't find any docs on it
[04:37] Qbix1: require('request') is a function
[04:38] random123: Qbix1: If require.path remains as it was and becomes a convention, filenames will collide eventually
[04:38] random123: Qbix1: So just like PHP's include, you have to use relativity, ../file.js ./file.js to load them
[04:38] mjijackson: Qbix1: the request module is not part of core.
[04:38] random123: Qbix1: Or you can just set root = /path/to/file and do require(root + file);
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[04:39] mjijackson: Qbix1: you probably installed something else that depends on it so that's why you have it installed.
[04:39] mjijackson: See https://github.com/mikeal/request
[04:39] mjijackson: that's the module you're looking for.
[04:39] mikeal: npm install request
[04:40] mjijackson: mikeal: i think he already has it installed. he's just wondering how to use it.
[04:40] Qbix1: mjijackson what odo u mean
[04:40] Qbix1: 'request' module is not part of the core?
[04:41] Qbix1: aha ok
[04:41] mjijackson: Qbix1: the core node distribution comes with several modules. the "request" module is not one of them.
[04:41] Qbix1: I see.
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[04:44] Qbix1: what is this node_modules crap
[04:44] Qbix1: oy yoy yoy
[04:44] Qbix1: I guess now we have a node package system
[04:44] mjijackson: Qbix1: haha. you don't like it?
[04:45] Qbix1: I guess it's ok but just we have ... our own :(
[04:45] Qbix1: with our own installer
[04:45] Qbix1: and now node implemented it, but our installer also does things such as db migrations for upgrades
[04:46] Qbix1: now I won't even be able to require my framework easily, with 
[04:46] Qbix1: var Q = require('Q')
[04:46] mjijackson: yes you will.
[04:46] Qbix1: how?
[04:46] Qbix1: dependents?
[04:46] mjijackson: npm install -g mypackage
[04:46] mjijackson: that will install it in a "global" location that is part of your $NODE_PATH
[04:46] brainproxy: Qbix1: make sure to read the modules related sections of node's API
[04:46] brainproxy: mjijackson: no, I don't think that's correct
[04:46] mjijackson: +1 to what brainproxy said.
[04:47] Qbix1: When is this version of node coming out, which deprecates require.paths ?
[04:47] mjijackson: brainproxy: how so?
[04:47] Qbix1: this: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.5.5/api/modules.html#loading_from_node_modules_Folders ?
[04:47] mjijackson: Qbix1: it's the next release.
[04:47] brainproxy: Qbix1: require.paths is deprecated as of the 0.5 branch
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[04:48] brainproxy: mjijackson: globally install packages won't be picked up automatically with require()
[04:48] mjijackson: brainproxy: ah, yes. i got it backwards.
[04:48] mjijackson: globally installed packages make any binaries they include available at your command prompt. locally installed packages are available for requiring.
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[04:50] mjijackson: Qbix1: in any case, you just `npm install mypackage` and then you can do a `require("mypackage")` from any file in that directory or a subdirectory.
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[04:50] isaacs: brainproxy: actually, it was deprecated in 0.4, and throws an error in 0.5
[04:51] Qbix1: oh nice okay
[04:51] brainproxy: isaacs: cool, thanks for clarifying
[04:52] brainproxy: the 0.4 docs were a little confusing for awhile because on the one hand they suggested you could unshift on require.paths and on the other hand they said you shouldn't do that
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[04:52] djMax: how does one require query string params in express/node.js routing?
[04:54] random123: What would be nice is if you could define packages in a file or before you use it, like: mymod: /path/to/module then people can do require('mymod') because the whole controversy I think is wanting them to look uniform
[04:54] random123: So you can define the module name, and file location, somewhere else, will throw and error if there are duplicate names
[04:55] random123: so no collisions
[04:56] random123: or you can just push the modules onto an array like before, require.module(object that has mod name + file location), will throw error if the mod name is taken
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[04:56] random123: then you can just do require('mod name')
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[04:58] hermanjunge: hi @isaacs
[04:58] Qbix1: how do I test if a file exists
[04:58] Qbix1: in a non blocking way
[04:58] Qbix1: I mean in a BLOCKING way
[04:58] hermanjunge: I got this error on npm install in a ubuntu 10.04 machine
[04:58] hermanjunge: node cli.js install -g -f
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[04:59] hermanjunge: node: src/unix/fs.c:89: uv_fs_req_cleanup: Assertion `(req->result == -1 && req->ptr == ((void *)0)) || (req->result >= 0 && req->ptr != ((void *)0))' failed.
[04:59] hermanjunge: make: *** [install] Aborted
[04:59] hermanjunge: I don't know what to do
[04:59] Qbix1: statSync?
[04:59] chilts: Qbix1: you could use .stat() but there might be a better way
[04:59] mjijackson: Qbix1: path.existsSync
[04:59] chilts: that's blocking
[04:59] Qbix1: thanks
[04:59] chilts: oh, blocking, I see
[04:59] chilts: sorry
[04:59] chilts: you changed your mind :)
[05:00] Qbix1: yeah 
[05:00] Qbix1: sorry :)
[05:00] Qbix1: anyway is this deprecated? will it be?
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[05:00] mjijackson: are you asking if path.existsSync is deprecated?
[05:00] mjijackson: no.
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[05:01] chilts: 
ACTION is glad to know about path.exists too ... thanks mjijackson

[05:01] chilts: I always looked at fs.* stuff
[05:01] mjijackson: chilts: np. :)
[05:02] Qbix1: yes or will it be
[05:02] Qbix1: okay great :)
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[05:05] ruby-n-company: maxogden was helping me earlier, but I was trying to create something which spawns a child process and then runs it at an interval and then outputting to the client.
[05:05] ruby-n-company: https://gist.github.com/1213151
[05:05] ruby-n-company: I have this currently, but I only will receive one message. What am I missing to get this to run at an interval?
[05:07] mjijackson: ruby-n-company: you're trying to update a web page with the result of your system call on the interval?
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[05:07] ruby-n-company: For now, yes.
[05:08] mjijackson: ruby-n-company: you need to poll your server.
[05:08] ruby-n-company: Well, currently it's just using ServerSent Events
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[05:09] ruby-n-company: I updated the gist with the client-side code.
[05:10] ruby-n-company: I just can't get the spawned process to repeat at this point.
[05:10] mjijackson: ruby-n-company: I've never seen ServerSent events before.
[05:11] ruby-n-company: Little brother to WebSockets.
[05:11] mjijackson: i see.
[05:11] mjijackson: interesting.
[05:11] ruby-n-company: http://dev.w3.org/html5/eventsource/
[05:11] Qbix1: is "require" a keyword in node ?
[05:11] ruby-n-company: http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/eventsource/basics/
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[05:11] ruby-n-company: Also called EventSource
[05:11] Qbix1: or can I have my own function, Q.require?
[05:11] mjijackson: Qbix1: that's fine.
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[05:12] mjijackson: just don't overwrite the global require, or we'll have to take you out back...
[05:12] Qbix1: Here is my workaround then, so far:
[05:12] Qbix1: http://pastie.org/2524677
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[05:12] mjijackson: ruby-n-company: are you pretty sure the whole SSE is working properly?
[05:12] ruby-n-company: Yup
[05:12] mjijackson: k
[05:12] ruby-n-company: Console on Chrome is showing the connection open and then one MessageEvent
[05:13] ruby-n-company: And if I feed it multiple events by hand, they will all show up. Am I just missing the lesson on the whole async idea? =/
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[05:14] mjijackson: ruby-n-company: if i were you, i'd try putting all my "data" event listeners in the setInterval code
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[05:14] Qbix1: what do u think of my workaround
[05:14] Qbix1: http://pastie.org/2524677
[05:14] ruby-n-company: And just running an exec instead of a spawn?
[05:14] mjijackson: so you're creating a new object, `sar` every 2 seconds.
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[05:14] mjijackson: yeah.
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[05:14] ruby-n-company: Okay. Thanks mjijackson. I'll try that
[05:15] mjijackson: the thing is, those listeners aren't automatically going to be set up on the new object that you create every 2 seconds.
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[05:17] ruby-n-company: mjijackson: I guess that makes sense. If I bring it back to like jQuery DOM stuff, dynamically created elements obviously aren't going to inhierit the events created on document.ready (unless live or delegate obviously).
[05:17] mjijackson: ruby-n-company: right. that callback executes out of scope. so the listeners get set up on the first object you create but not on subsequent ones.
[05:17] mjijackson: Qbix1: it might work.
[05:18] mjijackson: how big is your framework? i think you might be better off figuring out how to use node_modules instead of trying to preserve require.paths.
[05:18] mjijackson: but if it's a ton of work to refactor...
[05:19] mjijackson: Qbix1: wait a second. is that a default argument i spy?
[05:20] mjijackson: that's not going to work how you want it to...
[05:20] mjijackson: well, on second thought, in this example it actually might.
[05:20] mjijackson: haha
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[05:21] ritch: I have a plugins dir in an app i'm building.. each module in the plugins folder is included via require()… the problem is I dont want to force the plugin devs to know the application structure outside of their plugin… there are useful modules in ./plugins/../../lib, how should I expose them?
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[05:21] ritch: just let them do require('../../lib/someModule')?
[05:22] Qbix1: mjijackson: that's a syntax error
[05:22] Qbix1: I removed the default argument
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[05:22] Qbix1: mjijackson: my framework is thousands of lines of code :)
[05:22] mjijackson: Qbix1: ah. i thought you were a python programmer for a second. :)
[05:22] Qbix1: php :P
[05:22] Qbix1: but like js more :)
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[05:23] Qbix1: Now I just replaced require('foo') with Q.require('foo')
[05:23] Qbix1: does node.js work on windows?
[05:24] Qbix1: it does, right? in fact microsoft did stuff to make it work?
[05:24] Qbix1: but then what about directory separators?
[05:24] Qbix1: and path separators?
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[05:24] ritch: Qbix1: thats all opaque to the node libs
[05:24] Qbix1: ?
[05:24] Qbix1: so what if I have a filename starting with /
[05:24] Qbix1: that I require ?
[05:24] ritch: its up to you to make that work
[05:25] Qbix1: require('/moo') 
[05:25] Qbix1: but how do I kow what environment I'm in
[05:25] mjijackson: Qbix1: windows support is still being worked on in the 0.5 branch.
[05:25] ritch: prcess.env
[05:25] mjijackson: it's not quite ready yet, i don't think.
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[05:25] ritch: I would toy around with it in a vm if I only had a windows box...
[05:26] ritch: vm running ubuntu or something
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[05:28] mjijackson: ritch: you could distribute your app with a node_modules directory in the root.
[05:29] mjijackson: this could contain the modules that you want to have available to modules within the plugins directory.
[05:29] mjijackson: since require traverses up the directory tree looking for node_modules directories, it will find them.
[05:29] ritch: good call
[05:29] mjijackson: i'm not sure if require will work properly with symlinks.
[05:29] ritch: it does
[05:29] mjijackson: but if it does, that would be the way to go.
[05:29] ritch: my whole ~/node_modules dir is symlinked to dropbox
[05:30] mjijackson: just symlink the useful modules from your lib directory into node_modules.
[05:30] mjijackson: ah, right on.
[05:30] Qbix1: okay guys so
[05:31] ritch: any idea how i can git ignore other packages besides my lib
[05:31] Qbix1: now I preserved require.paths and it works again
[05:31] Qbix1: but now I have a question
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[05:31] Qbix1: will I get deprecation warnings when I try to do this:
[05:31] Qbix1: if (!require.paths) 	require.paths = [];
[05:31] Qbix1: and then proceed to use require.paths
[05:32] mjijackson: ritch: you can use ! to whitelist files in your .gitignore
[05:32] mjijackson: kind of a useful feature.
[05:32] ritch: awesome
[05:32] ritch: exactly what i need
[05:32] mjijackson: so you could have in your .gitignore something like !node_modules/mymod
[05:32] mjijackson: but before it have a node_modules
[05:32] mjijackson: so it ignores all others
[05:33] ruby-n-company: mjijackson: https://gist.github.com/1213151 -- That did the trick. =]
[05:33] ruby-n-company: mjijackson: Thanks for the help
[05:33] mjijackson: ruby-n-company: hooray!
[05:33] mjijackson: i learned something about SSE as well. thank you.
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[05:34] ruby-n-company: No problem. I find it interesting because most of the use I find for WebSockets is 90% push. So if I can get away an EventSource polyfill / native technology, less bandwidth and overhead for me.
[05:34] ruby-n-company: Cheers =]
[05:34] mjijackson: absolutely.
[05:35] abraxas: Does anyone know who's actually managing a current, stable node_mdns module? It seems like a serious mess, on the "official" repo.
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[05:36] eddyb: uhm...
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[05:37] eddyb: if I have http.request({host, method:}, ...).end(postData)
[05:37] eddyb: *method:'POST'
[05:37] eddyb: is it enough to send a POST request?
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[05:37] eddyb: do I need to set some headers?
[05:39] abraxas: Or does anyone know some good alternatives to node_mdns (even using different protocols if need be).
[05:39] abraxas: ?
[05:39] eddyb: apparently, {'Content-Type': 'application/x-www-form-urlencoded', 'Content-Length': login.length} didn't help
[05:40] leahciMic: anyone work with jsdom/sizzle etc? 
[05:40] mjijackson: eddyb: do you have a gist?
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[05:40] eddyb: you mean a paste?
[05:40] mjijackson: yeah.
[05:41] eddyb: https://gist.github.com/1213202
[05:41] eddyb: I just wanted a simple POST, it ended up being 20 lines and not working...
[05:42] mjijackson: eddyb: put your headers in a headers object.
[05:42] eddyb: oh
[05:42] eddyb: right
[05:42] mjijackson: not in the main object. :)
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[05:42] Qbix1: yo guys is this ok in node:
[05:42] Qbix1: if (!require.paths) 	require.paths = [];
[05:42] Qbix1: or will I get a deprecation warning/error
[05:43] eddyb: mjijackson: thanks
[05:43] eddyb: now I'm getting
[05:43] eddyb: Error: Parse Error
[05:43] eddyb:     at Socket.ondata (http.js:1231:22)
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[05:43] mjijackson: Qbix1: no, it's not ok. require.paths is going away. it may last you for a very short time, but it'll eventually break.
[05:43] eddyb: at least it's http, the other request in the script
[05:43] mjijackson: *probably
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[05:45] eddyb: mjijackson: now what's wrong with this: https://gist.github.com/1213207 ?
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[05:47] mjijackson: eddyb: nothing jumps out at me
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[05:50] eddyb: so what's Parse Error?
[05:50] eddyb: the server sent something wrong?
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[05:51] snowinferno: Hi all, I'm adding a property to a Socket to store the data that's coming in (socket['input']) and occasionally my program crashes stating that <value of socket['input']> has no method toLowerCase
[05:52] eddyb: snowinferno: are you sure you're not getting buffers?
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[05:53] snowinferno: my assignment to input looks something like this: socket['input'] += data.toString('utf-8',0,data.length)
[05:53] mjijackson: eddyb: you're getting a parse error when parsing the response from minecraft.net?
[05:53] mjijackson: that's odd.
[05:53] snowinferno: so I'm explicitly turning it into a string before it gets stored in the socket object input property
[05:54] eddyb: mjijackson: I'm not parsing anything
[05:54] devaholic: toString('utf8')
[05:55] mjijackson: eddyb: right, the socket error leads me to believe that the socket is getting an error when it's trying to parse the data coming back from the server.
[05:55] eddyb: devaholic: lol, didn't spot that :)
[05:55] eddyb: mjijackson: yeah, something like that
[05:55] snowinferno: what's wrong with what I had? the documentation doesn't indicate that the other arguments are optional
[05:56] eddyb: what on earth...
[05:57] eddyb: mjijackson: happens only when I'm sending the query
[05:58] eddyb: AAAAAAH
[05:58] eddyb: got an \n in the sessionID
[05:59] eddyb: forgot to strip the output of the other query
[05:59] snowinferno: it's still happening with toString('utf-8') as well
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[05:59] eddyb: snowinferno: without the dash
[05:59] eddyb: utf8
[05:59] eddyb: not utf-8
[05:59] eddyb: Logged out of c.nerd.nu: Outdated server!
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[06:00] eddyb: mjijackson: thanks for the help :)
[06:00] snowinferno: eh? the proper name for the encoding is utf-8 witth the dash, according to the standards
[06:01] devaholic: its utf8
[06:01] devaholic: coz we say so
[06:01] mjijackson: eddyb: np. glad to help where i can. :)
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[06:02] Qbix1: hey guys
[06:02] Qbix1: how do I install this:
[06:02] Qbix1: https://github.com/votizen/facebook-graph-client
[06:02] Qbix1: as an npm module?
[06:02] Qbix1: it is newer than what is currently there installed by npm
[06:02] Qbix1: sex?
[06:02] eddyb: ?
[06:02] snowinferno: devaholic: still getting the same error
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[06:04] daftspunk: are there any node.js freelancers in the house? just need to ask a question
[06:05] devaholic: $4,000 a question
[06:05] devaholic: proceed.
[06:05] daftspunk: lol it's actually a how much for x?
[06:06] dynacker: how much for y
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[06:07] Qbix1: ?
[06:07] Qbix1: I installed something with npm
[06:07] Qbix1: how do I instead grab it from github now
[06:07] devaholic: congrats
[06:07] daftspunk: 
ACTION nods

[06:07] isaacs: Qbix1: npm docs <whatever>
[06:07] isaacs: Qbix1: or you can `npm submodule <whatever>`
[06:07] isaacs: Qbix1: assuming it has a git repo listed in its pacakge info
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[06:08] isaacs: Qbix1: there's no generic `npm checkout <whatever>` but i use this bash shortcut for that: https://github.com/isaacs/dotfiles/blob/master/.extra.bashrc#L420-423
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[06:08] eddyb: why wouldn't node's http module follow 301's?
[06:08] devaholic: git clone is sort of a bash shortcut
[06:08] daftspunk: devaholic: pm?
[06:09] isaacs: eddyb: automatically??
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[06:09] eddyb: yeah
[06:09] isaacs: eddyb: because sometimes you don't want that?
[06:09] isaacs: eddyb: you probably want mikeal's request module
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[06:10] Tobbe_: isaacs: I can't install express :( http://paste2.org/p/1646405
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[06:11] isaacs: Tobbe: it doesn't work in mounted drives from windows
[06:11] isaacs: Tobbe_: virtualbox?
[06:12] Tobbe_: colinux
[06:12] isaacs: ok
[06:12] ritch: interesting: https://registry.npmjs.org/express gives me untrusted
[06:12] Tobbe_: I've used npm before on that drive
[06:12] ritch: isaacs: is that normal?
[06:13] isaacs: ritch: using master of npm and unstable node?  yes.  known issue.
[06:13] ritch: using chrome
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[06:16] Tobbe_: isaacs: so I'm SOL on npm in colinux?
[06:16] isaacs: Tobbe_: no, just go to a different directory
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[06:17] isaacs: Tobbe_: one that isn't actually living on Windows
[06:17] Tobbe_: why doesn't it work on mounted windows drives?
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[06:17] isaacs: Tobbe: because they throw random ENOSYS errors when you try to make symbolic links
[06:18] Tobbe_: random as in it might eventually work if I try enough times?
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[06:19] snowinferno: so why would my socket['input'].toLowerCase end up causing an exception stating 'Object <value of socket['input']> has no method toLowerCase'?
[06:20] mjijackson: hallelujah! after two hours i'm finally writing a valid gzip file with buffers!
[06:20] justinTNT: best mysql module?
[06:20] mjijackson: core peeps: let's get gzip in core. pretty please?
[06:20] aho: +1
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[06:20] tmzt: doesn't openssl or libcrypt have it?
[06:22] JakeyChan: I do not understand why it can not work
[06:22] JakeyChan: function Server()  {} Server.prototype = express.createServer(); var server = new Server(); server.get('/', function () {})
[06:22] JakeyChan: can you help me fix it ? :)
[06:23] mjijackson: JakeyChan: var server = express.createServer(); server.get();
[06:23] isaacs: Tobbe_: i've heard it works ever.
[06:23] isaacs: Tobbe_: but i haven't seen it work ever.
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[06:24] isaacs: Tobbe_: i'm not willing to run linux in vmware in my windows in vmware on my mac.
[06:24] JakeyChan: but I want to wrap the express server object :)
[06:24] isaacs: mjijackson: https://github.com/isaacs/node/tree/zlib
[06:24] isaacs: mjijackson: i'm writing tests now.  this is working.
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[06:25] isaacs: mjijackson: fs.createReadStream("input.txt").pipe(zlib.createGzip({options})).pipe(fs.createWriteStream("output.gz")
[06:25] isaacs: )
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[06:26] mjijackson: isaacs: holy crap!
[06:26] mjijackson: that's beautiful code.
[06:26] isaacs: mjijackson: thanks.
[06:26] mjijackson: you sir, are my new favorite.
[06:26] isaacs: mjijackson: it doesn't preserve the file info in the gzip headers, but meh.  you don't need that.
[06:27] isaacs: i'd be surprised if anyone actually needs that.
[06:27] mjijackson: right. most expect the file to unzip to the same name as the .gz anyway.
[06:27] chjj: mmm, gzip in core
[06:27] isaacs: mjijackson: well, if we give you a stream interface, you can always set all the info's on the target file if you know them anyway
[06:28] mjijackson: let's see, what other info is there? permissions and stuff.
[06:28] mjijackson: right.
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[06:28] aho: time, os, comment... that crap?
[06:28] isaacs: mjijackson: pretty much everything in stat
[06:28] isaacs: type, ctime, mtime, dev, inode, etc.
[06:28] isaacs: crazy, right?
[06:28] aho: always zeroed it :>
[06:28] mjijackson: haha. 
[06:28] mjijackson: this will be a welcome addition to core.
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[06:29] mjijackson: i assume it may be useful for npm as well.
[06:29] isaacs: mjijackson: tha's why i'm doing it
[06:29] mjijackson: yeah. i have you all figured out.
[06:29] isaacs: oh, i guess it doesn't have *everythign* in stat
[06:29] mjijackson: next you'll be rewriting git in javascript
[06:30] mjijackson: and putting that in core.
[06:30] isaacs: mjijackson: hahah
[06:30] isaacs: if it's in js, it doesn't need to be in core
[06:30] ritch: just in npm
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[06:32] Tobbe_: isaacs: I'm not sure colinux is the same as running linux in virtualbox/vmware, is it?
[06:32] mjijackson: aho: how do you zero it out?
[06:32] mjijackson: can you do it with gzip?
[06:32] isaacs: Tobbe_: depends.  you can install almost anything in virtualbox
[06:33] Tobbe_: huh?
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[06:33] Tobbe_: colinux: "Port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine."
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[06:34] Tobbe_: I just did "npm install inireader", worked just fine on my mounted windows drive
[06:34] mjijackson: HOORAY!
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[06:34] mjijackson: all tests are green.
[06:34] mjijackson: :D
[06:35] isaacs: Tobbe_: oh, probably not, then
[06:35] aho: i just put zeros there... well, basically... i was using zip tools to produce better compressed gzip files (there are hardcore zip tools but no hardcore gzip tools) at the end i just took that deflate stream and made a new file with it. couldnt be bothered to figure mtime and that other crap out. since it didn't matter i just used zeros to fill up the space
[06:35] mjijackson: aho: just figured out how to do it from the command line
[06:35] mjijackson: gzip -n myfile.txt
[06:36] mjijackson: omits the header info
[06:36] tmzt: colinux is essentially a raw kernel but using an interrupt/timer driven from a driver in the nt kernel, it can even access real hardware as long as windows isn't using it
[06:36] mjijackson: or at least omits the file name and timestamp
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[06:51] TheEmpath: Hail nodelings
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[07:01] davidbanham: Anyone know how to set the filename option when running Jade from the command line?
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[07:17] KyleReese301: hi everyone
[07:17] tuhoojabotti: Hello.
[07:17] tuhoojabotti: Dear ...
[07:17] KyleReese301: i'm trying to run the chat example of Node.js but i get an error 
[07:17] KyleReese301: "error loading index.html"
[07:17] tuhoojabotti: You're doing it wrong.
[07:17] tuhoojabotti: 1. Don't use Node on Windows (yet)
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[07:17] KyleReese301: is that the reason?
[07:18] tuhoojabotti: 2. don't use Windows.
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[07:19] KyleReese301: windows is important, just as important as php
[07:19] tuhoojabotti: Yes.
[07:19] tuhoojabotti: But Windows port is not finished afaik.
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[07:20] thepatr1ck: it's only really there in the unstable 0.5.x branch, which should probably be avoided unless you want a lot of pain.
[07:21] thepatr1ck: (pre-0.5.x was only possible with the aid of cygwin)
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[07:21] tuhoojabotti: And there's also the pre-1.8, but that's Minecraft, and totally unrelated.
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[07:23] KyleReese301: anyways, it doesnt mean that's the problem i guess
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[07:40] dmkbot: joyent/libuv: 03piscisaureus: Specify error handling for uv_write and uv_connect - https://github.com/joyent/libuv/issues/185
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[08:00] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03isaacs: https custom CA cert not honored - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1690
[08:00] `3rdEden: Nexxy pong
[08:00] Nexxy: you sunk my battleship!
[08:00] Nexxy: wait...
[08:01] `3rdEden: o dear,
[08:01] `3rdEden: 
ACTION throws rubber ducky

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[08:01] Nexxy: 
ACTION sets the drapes on fire

[08:01] Nexxy: yeah, now what?
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[08:19] kuebk: have a question
[08:19] kuebk: when I'm using http.request
[08:19] kuebk: and i don't setEncoding on response
[08:19] kuebk: I'm getting a buffer as a response
[08:19] kuebk: it is encoded using what encoding?
[08:20] Nexxy: utf8 is the default Buffer encoding if I'm not mistaken
[08:21] Nexxy: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.11/api/buffers.html
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[08:22] Glenjamin: if its a buffer, it isnt encoded... it's just a bunch of bytes
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[08:30] kuebk: Glenjamin so there is no way
[08:30] kuebk: to find out
[08:31] kuebk: did I get a string or a binary data as a response?
[08:31] devaholic: use toString('utf8')
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[08:36] Glenjamin: you mean by looking at the buffer and guessing?
[08:36] Glenjamin: there's probably some heuristics you can apply to figure it out, but the buffer object has no way of knowing what its bytes actually repesent
[08:37] Glenjamin: the mime type header of the response should be accurate enough to trust though
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[09:08] kuebk: Glenjamin from what can I see in the source
[09:08] kuebk: I meant docs
[09:08] kuebk: if i dont precise encoding it's using utf8 as default
[09:09] kuebk: so how can I write data to it without setting encoding?
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[09:18] Glenjamin: what data are you trying to write? You could make a new buffer using the array of octet constructor and copy it, or iterate over and write buffer[index] = byte separately
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[09:34] Industrial: I don't understand WeldJS; console.log(weld('<p class="name">Default Name</p>', [{name: 'PIET PATAT'}]));
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[09:45] temongantengbgt: hello word! any one help me? I have problem with json in node.js
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[09:50] random123: temongantengbgt you must be from india, right?
[09:50] hkjels: What is the cleanest way to check for a dependency? Ex. see if the cli of homebrew exists
[09:50] temongantengbgt: random123: I come from indonesia
[09:50] temongantengbgt: random123: can help me? :)
[09:51] hkjels: try & spawn is the only solution that comes to mind, but it doesn't sit well with me
[09:51] random123: temongantengbgt yeah, ask away
[09:51] hkjels: could I check the PATH?
[09:51] temongantengbgt: random123: I just trying this tutorial http://goo.gl/jvYmo
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[09:52] temongantengbgt: random123: if I post message is no problem
[09:52] kuebk: btw
[09:53] temongantengbgt: random123: but if I post a google map or youtube json, its error
[09:53] kuebk: does v8 gc can handle node buffers?
[09:53] temongantengbgt: random123: see the last comment in the tutorial, its my problem
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[09:55] random123: temongantengbgt, I suggest you use socket.io instead for Comet, instead of using this method
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[09:56] temongantengbgt: random123: you have any tutorial or resource for this?
[09:56] temongantengbgt: random123: because I just junior programmer :(
[09:56] random123: temongantengbgt, yes, http://socket.io/ it is in the npm
[09:56] random123: https://github.com/learnboost/socket.io
[09:57] temongantengbgt: random123: its socket.io running on all browser?
[09:57] random123: temongantengbgt, http://socket.io/#browser-support
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[09:58] temongantengbgt: random123: any tutorial using this in real... 
[09:58] temongantengbgt: random123: like this tutorial... http://goo.gl/jvYmo
[09:58] random123: temongantengbgt, yes, https://github.com/LearnBoost/socket.io/tree/master/examples
[09:59] random123: temongantengbgt, read the page here https://github.com/LearnBoost/socket.io
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[10:00] random123: temongantengbgt, it does exactly what you were trying to do - long polling, but if web sockets are avaliable, etc. it will use the best method and abstracts it nicely for you
[10:00] temongantengbgt: random123: what difference with socket.io and with this  http://goo.gl/jvYmo
[10:00] temongantengbgt: random123: owh
[10:01] temongantengbgt: random123: I will try it
[10:01] `3rdEden: \o/ #socket.io
[10:01] random123: temongantengbgt, ok, dont be afraid of google, try type "socket.io tutorial" if you need more
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[10:02] temongantengbgt: random123: I using node.js for notify with real time, in my marketplace website. I using nginx and node.js. because my system is using codeigniter (PHP)
[10:03] temongantengbgt: `3rdEden: ok, will joint this chanel #socket.io
[10:03] `3rdEden: :D
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[10:10] senthilkumar: welcome
[10:10] senthilkumar: node
[10:10] senthilkumar: yest
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[10:11] senthilkumar: westing
[10:11] temongantengbgt: senthilkumar: I know this id... ha ha
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[11:28] rio{: I want to server JSON data (statistics of some servers), 1000s of people might request it at one single point of time. the data will be refreshed every 5sec and theres no need to store old data
[11:28] rio{: I am thinking of implementing a simple file cache, do you have any better solutions?
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[11:52] CornflakesForTea: rio{ wouldn't a memory-based storage be better for something like that - like memcached
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[11:52] Industrial: dendering jquery template templates in Jade
[11:52] Industrial: s/^d/r/
[11:52] CornflakesForTea: haha derendering would be pretty interesting
[11:52] Industrial: this is awesome, I'm avoiding HTML directly completely
[11:53] rio{: You might be right CornflakesForTea, I was contemplating that as well
[11:53] CornflakesForTea: rio{: it makes no sense to be reading from the disk all the time if speed is your goal and there is no need to save it permenantly, so an in-memory store is much better
[11:53] Industrial: script(id='mytpl', type='x-jquery-tmpl') p='${name}'    <-- awesome
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[13:03] Glenjamin: is there a "warnings" module of some sort for node?
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[13:07] baudehlo: Glenjamin: to do what?
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[13:08] Glenjamin: deprecation warnings in a tidier way than console.warn
[13:08] tuhoojabotti: tidier?
[13:08] Glenjamin: for instances, if i choose to disable warnings
[13:09] Glenjamin: or i want to crib a list of all warnings into an external source other than stderr
[13:09] tuhoojabotti: A logger?
[13:09] tjholowaychuk: override console.warn?
[13:09] tjholowaychuk: or 2> somewhere-else
[13:09] Glenjamin: like this http://docs.python.org/library/warnings.html#
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[13:10] Glenjamin: not every console.warn is a deprecation warning, etc
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[13:11] tuhoojabotti: Glenjamin: Don't see any, make one and publish to npm. :)
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[13:12] Glenjamin: well yeah, but its the sort of thing that belongs in the stdlib imo. For instance - require.paths could have been throwing a warning when its modified in 0.4
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[13:15] baudehlo: Oh I see. Yeah I don't think there's a standard for that. There should be.
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[13:16] Glenjamin: i'll report an issue on github - ruby and python both have stuff for this in their stdlibs, including an interpreter swtich to make them more verbose/silence them - copying their general approach should be easy enough
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[13:17] baudehlo: yup. Perl too.
[13:17] tjholowaychuk: sounds a little overkill, ruby's stdlib also has a ton of crap that no one uses anymore, even just the console.deprecated() or something would be enough to hook into
[13:17] tjholowaychuk: for custom stuff
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[13:18] Dmitrijus: tjholowaychuk++
[13:18] v8bot_:  Dmitrijus has given a beer to tjholowaychuk. tjholowaychuk now has 4 beers.
[13:18] Glenjamin: sounds reasonable, as long as there's a standard function specifically for deprecation warnings
[13:19] Glenjamin: this occurred to me when reading the diff for https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1691
[13:19] baudehlo: although some stuff is deprecated but doesn't have warnings.
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[13:19] Glenjamin: sys.puts etc
[13:20] baudehlo:   sysWarning = 'The "sys" module is now called "util". ' +
[13:20] baudehlo:                'It should have a similar interface.';
[13:20] baudehlo:   // Uncomment in 2011
[13:20] baudehlo:   //util.error(sysWarning);
[13:20] baudehlo: 
ACTION checks the date...

[13:20] Glenjamin: amusingly, util.error is deprecated
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[13:20] baudehlo: hahaha
[13:21] Glenjamin: doesn't seem unreasonable to have some sort of warning level, so things can be quiet by default, but you can turn up warning level
[13:21] baudehlo: But yeah I agree, that a deprecated() call somewhere would be enough of an API.
[13:21] Dmitrijus: even so, you cannot actually force a particular standard onto teh programmers :)
[13:22] Glenjamin: you can provide a standard, and ask people to use it
[13:22] Glenjamin: such as making require.paths immutable in master
[13:22] Glenjamin: silently immutable
[13:22] baudehlo: to be fair this is for core deprecations, so yes it can be forced.
[13:22] Dmitrijus: yep
[13:26] blax: hi, is there some kind of "lite" version of socket.io client javascript code? 40kb seems to be a lot in my case (my company offers tracking code similar to the google analytics, our servers serve it circa 1M times every day)
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[13:29] baudehlo: blax: there's sockjs - but I don't know if that is smaller.
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[13:30] Glenjamin: baudehlo: do you know the name of the perl warnings module / where the docs are?
[13:30] baudehlo: Glenjamin: 
[13:30] baudehlo: Glenjamin: "warnings"
[13:30] baudehlo: so you do: no warnings 'deprecate';
[13:30] baudehlo: and things like that.
[13:30] baudehlo: http://perldoc.perl.org/warnings.html
[13:30] `3rdEden: blax did you enable minification?
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[13:31] `3rdEden: blax: io.enable('browser client minification')
[13:31] blax: minification goes down from 90kb to 40kb, but it's still a lot
[13:32] `3rdEden: also, we just landed a new static backend for socket.io
[13:32] baudehlo: get a cdn?
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[13:32] blax: but let me check, maybe I'm wrong ;)
[13:32] baudehlo: blax: https://www.cloudflare.com/
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[13:33] `3rdEden: blax the new backend will generate a socket.io.js file that only contains the transports you enabled on the server
[13:33] blax: our architecture is just fine, it's just that some clients won't be happy if we add another 40kb to their webpage
[13:33] `3rdEden: also
[13:33] `3rdEden: the new backend supports gzip :D
[13:33] `3rdEden: ZING!
[13:33] `3rdEden: that shaves off another couple of bytes ;$
[13:34] Glenjamin: 40kb once per user
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[13:34] blax: well, dynamic generation of client code sounds fine
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[13:35] JakeyChan: hi ?
[13:35] `3rdEden: blax is mostly the Flashsocket fallback that adds a lot of code bloat to the file
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[13:35] JakeyChan: what's used for : if (!module.parent) {} // module.parent
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[13:36] `3rdEden: it's used to check if the file executed by node, or required as a module JakeyChan
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[13:37] JakeyChan: `3rdEden: ok, so what can protect using this statement ?
[13:37] JakeyChan: `3rdEden: :)
[13:38] `3rdEden: depends on the usecase
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[13:39] blax: `3rdEden: do I even need this flash support? won't websockets+longpolling be just fine?
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[13:39] Glenjamin: ok, require('warnings').warn(msg, type); and console.deprecated(msg)
[13:39] Glenjamin: any other suggested APIs?
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[13:39] `3rdEden: For example in socket.io we use it in our clientside builder JakeyChan so we can use the module as commandline util, and be required as module: https://github.com/LearnBoost/socket.io-client/blob/master/bin/builder.js#L256
[13:39] `3rdEden: blax you might, you might not.
[13:39] `3rdEden: depends on the application
[13:40] `3rdEden: for chat pages it might be handy
[13:40] `3rdEden: to reduce the stress on your server
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[13:40] JakeyChan: oaha
[13:40] `3rdEden: because it's a bidirectional transport, it doens't need to hit the server again if it wants to communicate
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[13:41] blax: well, most of the users would use websockets, right?
[13:41] baudehlo: Glenjamin: I see no reason it should be in console to be honest.
[13:41] baudehlo: Glenjamin: but then I don't have a better suggestion.
[13:41] Glenjamin: similar to console.assert i guess
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[13:42] Glenjamin: console.time/timeEnd are a little odd also
[13:42] Glenjamin: methods added to an existing global because they're marginally better than adding more globals :D
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[13:44] Glenjamin: https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1692 for comments
[13:44] tjholowaychuk: Glenjamin time/timeEnd etc are in firebug / inspector as well
[13:44] Glenjamin: ah
[13:44] tjholowaychuk: that's where trace() is from and a I think we have a few of the others
[13:44] Glenjamin: slightly unpure but de facto makes sense
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[13:45] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03glenjamin: Provide a standard way to mark library functions as deprecated - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1692
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[13:57] mecablaze: Is the jQuery npm module out of date? I try to require it and it throws "TypeError: Object #<Object> has no method 'jsdom'". It looks like it wants jsdom 0.1.2 (the current version is 0.2.4)
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[14:26] dmkbot1: joyent/node: 03glenjamin: Provide a standard way to mark library functions as deprecated - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1692
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[14:38] codely: if i have a setTimeout to j use do a quick pause waiting for something to happen that doesn't have a callback - why does setTimeout keep repeating?
[14:38] joshkehn: setTimeout doesn't pause.
[14:38] TheJH: codely, setTimeout doesn't repeat stuff.
[14:38] joshkehn: It sets a timeout but program execution continues on.
[14:39] joshkehn: So if you say
[14:39] joshkehn: function wait() { setTimeout(function () { return 10; }, 1000); }
[14:39] codely: well i know i've used it a ton of times, but oddly it's repeating itself?
[14:39] joshkehn: You'll get undefined.
[14:39] codely: yeah
[14:40] joshkehn: I'm guessing you're setting multiple timeouts. 
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[14:44] Glenjamin: or using Interval :D
[14:44] joshkehn: setTimeout and setInterval are pretty different. 
[14:44] joshkehn: Unlike slice() and splice()
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[14:45] Glenjamin: weird that slice and splice got added at the same time
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[14:47] codely: ahh got it. weirdness
[14:47] joshkehn: Well, do tell. :)
[14:47] codely: no i know the difference between interval and timeout, my first guess was node had a different behavior (silly) got it.
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[14:48] codely: i was actually calling back a .. callback
[14:48] codely: shh
[14:48] Glenjamin: its pretty easy to lose a callback / call it more than once
[14:48] joshkehn: ;)
[14:48] Glenjamin: the latter is often harder to spot without unit tests
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[14:51] Venom_X: aheckmann, ping
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[14:52] aheckmann: Venom_X hey
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[14:56] dmkbot1: joyent/node: 03bmeck: leaking references inside new contexts - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1469
[14:56] codely: speaking of testing … i'm trying to make things as bulletproof as possible and following the node.js mailing list recently … if i have a process.env which is not defined (i.e., we have a few devs, a staging and production server) … and want to catch that ..
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[14:57] codely: other than try catch?
[14:57] Glenjamin: var env = process.env.NODE_ENVIRONMENT || 'development'
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[14:58] Glenjamin: or whatever you consider to be a sensible default env
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[15:00] Venom_X: aheckmann, I was the guy asking about date object in mongo and using getters in mongoose to modify the values coming back. I'm having an issue delivering dates to mobile safari. Any ideas? I don't think my getters are executing..
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[15:02] eldios: geez gyus.. just wanted to share with you that... http://www.youtube.com/user/thelonelyisland#p/u/2/lQlIhraqL7o
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[15:02] eldios: (actually not.. but that song is too epic XD) 
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[15:02] aheckmann: Venom_X is it mobile safari only?
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[15:03] Dmitrijus: eldios: happy programmers day to you too!
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[15:03] aheckmann: Venom_X https://plus.google.com/117632149105326612452/posts/FVCp5ZpjC4s
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[15:03] eldios: yoooo happy programer day everyone! \o/
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[15:05] Venom_X: aheckmann, mobile safari is the only mobile I've tested, but I doubt it's the only one not working. However, my concern is the getter I define in my mongoose schema. I put a console.log, and don't see it getting ran
[15:06] TheJH: meh, I want nuck to come online
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[15:06] TheJH: I hacked into his bot again, didn't think enough yesterday, there's another way to get into his bot :D
[15:07] xorbit: Anyone know how to READ a PNG in node?  The node-png module only seems to be made to write PNG's, or did I get that wrong?
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[15:08] eldios: xorbit, why fs.read wouldn't be enough?
[15:08] eldios: what do you need to do with the png?
[15:08] Glenjamin: it would surprise me if thats the case
[15:08] xorbit: I want to extract the image data so I can manipulate it
[15:09] tjholowaychuk: xorbit node-canvas
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[15:09] Glenjamin: node-png seems to indicate you can initialise it from a buffer
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[15:10] Glenjamin: oh, a buffer of RGB values, i see
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[15:10] xorbit: I want to load images, merge them with alpha transparency, then write them to another PNG.  It seems I can do the latter two with node-png but not the reading.
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[15:11] ablomen: xorbit, use canvas?
[15:12] xorbit: tjholowaychuk I think node-canvas needs cairo graphics, don't know if I can run that on heroku?
[15:12] tjholowaychuk: xorbit yeah it does
[15:12] tjholowaychuk: heroku sounds
[15:12] tjholowaychuk: shitty
[15:12] tjholowaychuk: i would rage if i couldnt install software
[15:12] xorbit: yeah :(
[15:12] Glenjamin: broadly similar to appengine
[15:13] xorbit: That happens when you want to start out for free... ;)
[15:13] Glenjamin: in terms of how it restricts what you can use in order to scale effectively
[15:14] xorbit: Am I correct that node-png does not allow extracting image data? I'm a relative newbie to node so I might have misunderstood the docs
[15:14] [diecast]: when using cluster, is it possible to have a cluster app be aware of the worker id
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[15:15] tjholowaychuk: [diecast] yeah, check process.env
[15:15] [diecast]: thanks
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[15:17] codely: mongoose / mongo has an event mongo.connection.on("open"), is there a way to iterate over possible events or does anyone know the event for failures/errors connecting?
[15:17] Glenjamin: the documentation is your best bet. "error" should be the standard error event, which will throw an exception if there's no listener
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[15:19] godzirra: howdy folks.
[15:19] codely: Glenjamin: documentation no go, reading the source -
[15:19] aheckmann: Venom_X do you have a gist i can run?
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[15:19] codely: it just hangs no error.
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[15:27] aheckmann: Venom_X here is a gist thats working. maybe it will help https://gist.github.com/1214108
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[15:29] xorbit: Seems ImageMagick is part of the Heroku stack, I'll have to look into node modules that use that to see if it can do what I need.
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[15:30] Glenjamin: you can probably shell out to it if needs be
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[15:30] godzirra: Can anyone tell me why I'm not getting any output when I go here?  http://pastie.org/2526907
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[15:34] bronson: Trying to write an ActiveRecord-like JSON validator.  Could use a suggestion on the best syntax to use:
[15:34] bronson: https://gist.github.com/1214062
[15:35] bronson: (this will be like 0valid but support chaining and can be used in Mongo's map/reduce)
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[15:36] Venom_X: aheckmann, thanks. I'm looking now
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[15:37] Glenjamin: bronson: personally i'd prefer declarative with functions calls rather than an object literal
[15:37] epsas: [/win 4
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[15:38] bronson: Glenjamin, agreed.  all().the().parens().were().worrying().me().
[15:38] bronson: Guess it's ok.
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[15:39] TheJH: bronson, how about misusing getters for that?
[15:39] DrMcKay: btw, guys, you know what day is it today?
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[15:39] rio{: ye we do
[15:39] softdrink: TOESDAY
[15:40] TheJH: !admin eval 'DrMcKay, '+new Date()
[15:40] jhbot: DrMcKay, Tue Sep 13 2011 15:40:08 GMT+0000 (UTC)
[15:40] Glenjamin: validate('NamePrefixText').is(Valid.string, Valid.required, Valid.oneOf("a", "b", "c"));
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[15:41] DrMcKay: .. +(new Date())
[15:41] DrMcKay: v8: +(new Date())
[15:41] v8bot_: DrMcKay: 1315928441005
[15:41] DrMcKay: v8: +(new Date()) / (60 * 60 * 24)
[15:41] v8bot_: DrMcKay: 15230653.436238427
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[15:41] bronson: Glenjamin, you like that best?  I'll give it a shot.
[15:41] jerrysv: .. proc = new (process.binding('child_process').ChildProcess)().spawn('/bin/ls');
[15:41] DrMcKay: meh, those are miliseconds
[15:42] DrMcKay: v8: +(new Date()) / (60 * 60 * 24 * 1000)
[15:42] v8bot_: DrMcKay: 15230.653825324074
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[15:42] bronson: TheJH, interesting...  I'll have to play with getters/setters at some point.  Will theywork in modern browsers?
[15:42] DrMcKay: fuck it
[15:42] DrMcKay: it's programmers day!
[15:42] TheJH: bronson, yes, I think so
[15:42] DrMcKay: 256th day of the year
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[15:42] TheJH: :D
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[15:43] Tobbe_: isaacs: how about providing an option to npm that installs using copies instead of symbolic links? (to make it work even on windows mounts)
[15:43] Glenjamin: bronson: maybe something like the bottom one https://gist.github.com/1214146
[15:43] Glenjamin: it's somewhat ruby-ish
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[15:44] bronson: 
ACTION celebrated programmer's day on the 128th day so a signed byte wouldn't ruin things.

[15:44] Dmitrijus: :Dd
[15:44] DrMcKay: Glenjamin: I like it that it sounds similar to "rubbish"
[15:44] DrMcKay: bronson: lol
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[15:45] softdrink: 127th?
[15:45] TheJH: v8: 31+30+28+30+31+30+31+30+31
[15:45] v8bot_: TheJH: 272
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[15:45] bronson: Glenjamin, yeah, that should be doable.
[15:45] TheJH: did I do something wrong?
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[15:45] bronson: softdrink, er, yeah.  or the -128th.
[15:45] DrMcKay: where's catb0t, btw?
[15:45] Venom_X: aheckmann, git://gist.github.com/1214162.git
[15:45] DrMcKay: TheJH: did you...?
[15:46] TheJH: DrMcKay, gone for security reasons, I guess :(
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[15:46] TheJH: DrMcKay, I'm working on a fix for the vm module right now
[15:46] DrMcKay: TheJH: good :)
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[15:46] TheJH: DrMcKay, ecmabot, v8bot, catb0t, they're all affected
[15:46] godzirra: Can anyone tell me why I'm not getting any output when I go run this and go to the root path?  http://pastie.org/2526907
[15:47] TheJH: ecmabot is in spidermonkey-only mode now, I think
[15:47] DrMcKay: TheJH: you mean that context mangling stuff, right?
[15:47] TheJH: DrMcKay, huh, context mangling?
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[15:48] DrMcKay: TheJH: function caller, etc.?
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[15:49] TheJH: DrMcKay, there's another one, I'll tell you in private because v8bot_ is affected (nuck apparently tried to fix it) and nuck isn't here
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[15:50] cjm: NodeUp: Four is up (recorded live in Oakland), http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2991945 thanks for any support
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[15:51] msilverman2: morning, all. Anyone use carrier? The on.('end'...) handler is getting called twice. Not sure why. Anyone else seen this?
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[15:57] aheckmann: Venom_X it working for me
[15:57] aheckmann: i get a date back
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[15:57] aheckmann: what are you seeing?
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[16:09] astacy: I've got a patch that sources a file specified by the NODE_STARTUP env var when the user enters the REPL (like Python's PYTHONSTARTUP).  I've forked node, made a branch, inserted the patch, updated the  node man page.  The tests are all still passing (at least there are no more that are failing).  Do I need to make a unit test for this to get accepted as well?
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[16:10] codely: hey everyone, not new to code at all but unit testing especially in js seems popular (and nice). i was looking at a project that used should. i liked the format. with that i could run the tests before a commit right? also, what are everyones fav testing setups?
[16:10] codely: astacy: what do you use for unit tests?
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[16:10] astacy: "make test" runs the node tests
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[16:11] astacy: i'm talking about the node.js source tho, are talking about unit testing a project that uses node?
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[16:11] Tobbe_: tjholowaychuk: what's the recommended way to install express? globaly or locally? expressjs.com says -g, but didn't you say global installs were no good yesterday?
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[16:12] godzirra: Can anyone tell me why I'm not getting any output when I go run this and go to the root path?  http://pastie.org/2526907
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[16:12] tjholowaychuk: Tobbe_ that's for the executable
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[16:13] Tobbe_: tjholowaychuk: so global installs are okey for some things?
[16:13] tjholowaychuk: yeah
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[16:13] Tobbe_: makes sense I guess
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[16:14] tjholowaychuk: it's just a utility
[16:14] DrMcKay: caolanm: ping?
[16:14] Tobbe_: shell utils and things li...
[16:14] Tobbe_: yeah
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[16:16] godzirra: express and node.js are killing me :/
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[16:17] tjholowaychuk: godzirra that's what happens when you use js by yahuda :p (hbs)
[16:17] tjholowaychuk: jk
[16:17] tjholowaychuk: but debugging is a good skill to have
[16:17] astacy: godzirra: do you have a layout view?
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[16:17] godzirra: astacy: I do.  It sjust an empty file though.
[16:18] godzirra: tjholowaychuk: Yeah, just not sure how... getting no errors, its passing a 200 back.
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[16:18] tjholowaychuk: godzirra use the debugger
[16:18] tjholowaychuk:  $ node debug file
[16:18] codely: astacy: yes, unit tests. i'm new to unit tests, but the results seem … awesome? i guess that any team or group i've worked with regardless of how good they were never did TDD … use should?
[16:19] godzirra: Let me read up on the debugger.  I didnt even know there was one... I'm still fairly new. :)
[16:19] godzirra: Thanks
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[16:21] astacy: codely: unit tests are always good.  i use quint on the client side.  i'm not familiar w/ server-side javascript unit test libraries tho.
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[16:21] codely: ahh ok
[16:21] Venom_X: aheckmann, I'd expect to get http://www.w3schools.com/jsref/jsref_valueof_date.asp Time in seconds since epoch. Am I mistaken? Maybe the better questions would be. What should I do to the date object to get back something that'll be able to be parsed by mobile safari?
[16:21] TheJH: Venom_X, w3schools is bad
[16:21] joshkehn: Venom_X: Yes, you are mistaken to use w3schools as a resource.
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[16:22] joshkehn: Venom_X: See http://w3fools.com/
[16:22] Venom_X: TheJH, tell google to remove them from their results then
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[16:22] Tobbe_: tjholowaychuk: is it possible to use weld with express?
[16:22] joshkehn: Venom_X: Why blame google for w3schools? 
[16:22] tjholowaychuk: Tobbe_ uhmmm i guess you could
[16:22] tjholowaychuk: it would be very slow with jsdom etc
[16:23] tjholowaychuk: but i suppose
[16:23] Tobbe_: slow :(
[16:23] Venom_X: joshkehn, because they're the first result when searching for "javascript date"
[16:23] joshkehn: Tag on “MDC” when searching for stuff
[16:23] Venom_X: if they were so bad, they should maybe not be at the top of the list. Just saying
[16:23] codely: tjholowaychuk: i like you 'should'.
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[16:24] joshkehn: They are bad from a developer standpoint, and google doesn't work like that.
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[16:26] Venom_X: for what it's worth, the results with MDC are much nicer. Thanks
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[16:26] joshkehn: Np
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[16:27] Venom_X: aheckmann, so it looks like getTime was the method I should use. However in my query, the results I get back, don't have the fields with getters converted. Is that now how that's supposed to work?
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[16:31] codely: I wrote a simple test with should in /test/index.test.js
[16:31] codely: to run it?
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[16:36] dmkbot1: joyent/node: 03aaronj1335: Environment variable for REPL startup file - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1693
[16:36] dmkbot1: joyent/node: 03bobrik: bug with require - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1694
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[16:44] cjm: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2991945
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[16:46] dmkbot1: joyent/node: 03aaronj1335: Environment variable for REPL startup file - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1693
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[16:49] godzirra: Apparently I don't understand how the debugger works. :/
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[16:50] godzirra: astacy: Nothing obviously wrong in my code, huh?
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[16:51] dmkbot1: joyent/node: 03aaronj1335: Environment variable for REPL startup file - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1693
[16:51] dmkbot1: joyent/node: 03isaacs: child_process customFds broken - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1695
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[16:56] dmkbot1: joyent/node: 03isaacs: child_process customFds broken - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1695
[16:56] dmkbot1: joyent/node: 03isaacs: child_process customFds broken - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1695
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[16:57] godzirra: Can anyone tell me why I'm not getting any output when I go run this and go to the root path?  http://pastie.org/2526907  Its returning a 200, but it isn't actually returning any data.  Its just empty.
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[16:59] codely: clear
[16:59] godzirra: clear?
[16:59] godzirra: Oh.  Mistakenly misplaced your /
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[17:04] jhurliman: tjholowaychuk, i followed your advice about catching socket errors with "req.socket.addListener('error', function(err) { ... ", but i'm getting "node) warning: possible EventEmitter memory leak detected. 11 listeners added. Use emitter.setMaxListeners() to increase limit."
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[17:05] tjholowaychuk: jhurliman ah, yeah you have to remember keep-alive
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[17:05] jhurliman: bah
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[17:05] jhurliman: is there a way to check if i've already registered an error handler?
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[17:06] tjholowaychuk: .listeners('error').length
[17:06] tjholowaychuk: should do it
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[17:06] jhurliman: ty
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[17:09] godzirra: Can anyone tell me why I'm not getting any output when I go run this and go to the root path?  http://pastie.org/2526907  Its returning a 200, but it isn't actually returning any data.  Its just an empty response.  It seems to be an hbs problem but I don't understand why.  res.end('This is a test') works, res.render('test') does not.
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[17:12] tjholowaychuk: godzirra i cant really help you i haven't used hbs
[17:12] tjholowaychuk: the rest looks ok tho
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[17:14] godzirra: tjholowaychuk: Yeah, I'm using it the same way I'm doing in another app (I thought) but its juist not spitting out any data.
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[17:16] godzirra: tjholowaychuk: what do you use fr templating?
[17:16] godzirra: I'm not against changing.
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[17:19] Aikar: man.. checking out an entire repo with git-svn sure takes a while. if i can get git-svn to work as a replacement to svn for my group, maybe i can get syseng to start the transition to git as a whole for the company ><
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[17:21] JaKWaC: We have a movement at my company to do the same but there are so many post hooks in our SVN repo for code review that it'd cost to much to make the move and the arguments for a lot of people for Git over SVN don't justify it quite yet for them.
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[17:22] JaKWaC: (Its more than just the hooks lots of work flow things)
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[17:23] Aikar: yeah, its def a huge transition
[17:23] JaKWaC: Is github down for anyone?
[17:23] JaKWaC: I'm getting a 404 on the homepage
[17:23] joshkehn: I'm fine
[17:23] joshkehn: http://www.downornot.com/github
[17:23] Aikar: browsers being slow
[17:24] ctide: ithub: A new app server got into rotation a little too early, so you may see some 404's or 'gerve' problems.  We're working on it.
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[17:24] Bwen: is there a way to monitor the resources used by child_processes ?
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[17:25] JaKWaC: ctide: Thanks
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[17:25] DrMcKay: not a problem, keep doing that -.-
[17:26] DrMcKay: !ping
[17:26] dmkbot: DrMcKay, pong
[17:27] Aikar: JaKWaC: we run a CI process here, but spawning up a CI instance can take upwards to 30+ minutes... and each is tied to the branch it was created on, and a branch is based on a Jira Story. so we have 2 options, do multiple stories in 1 branch, then cherry pick commits when 1 story passes QA, or wait 30+ min per story and have syseng complain about resource usage.
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[17:28] Aikar: so im trying to do git-svn, checkout the branch of the CI env, then do a local git branch for each story topic, then merge into the CI branch and deploy to test, then when a story passes QA, merge from the local git branch instead of the CI branch
[17:28] Aikar: and then leave a CI branch up and running so the CI is ready to use
[17:28] Aikar: if i can get this process flourished, im sure many other teams will be interested
[17:28] Aikar: and will be a great start towards moving to git
[17:29] Aikar: syseng ran a top and was like "ugh are checking out the entire svn repo with git?" and im like "yep, ill let you guys know my findings ;)"
[17:29] JaKWaC: Yes indeed. That would be awesome.
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[17:30] Aikar: they WANT to move to git, just everyone knows how much effort itll be
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[17:31] Aikar: though, i guess i really could do the same process in pure svn
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[17:32] Aikar: branch production->XXX-1200 where XXX-1200 is our Jira ID for the CI environment, then when we start story XXX-1300, branch XXX-1200 to XXX-1300, do work in 1300, merge back down to 1200. pass QA, merge from 1300 to production, merge production up into 1200 to update mergeinfo
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[17:32] TheJH: DrMcKay (and all the other eval-bot owners who might be in here): https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/1696
[17:32] Aikar: but ill push this process as through git :P
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[17:34] TheJH: DrMcKay, are you woring on the eval thing? or why is your bot constantly reconnecting?
[17:34] chapel: Aikar: moving to git isn't that hard
[17:34] chapel: just keep it simple at first
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[17:34] jesusabdullah: TheJH: haha, NICE
[17:34] chapel: use it like svn
[17:34] jesusabdullah: I used svn once after having learned git
[17:34] chapel: and then adjust and have a more advanced workflow one people know more and are comfortable
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[17:34] jesusabdullah: and it was confusing as Hell for me
[17:34] jesusabdullah: I think most people are the other way
[17:34] Aikar: chapel: we have an entire CI infrastructure based around svn, and like 60 developers
[17:34] Aikar: it is a bit harder than it sounds :P
[17:35] DrMcKay: TheJH: it's just fucked up.
[17:35] jesusabdullah: that, or they wouldn't know version control if it smacked them in the face3
[17:35] chapel: jesusabdullah: haha, for me svn was easy, never used it before I used git
[17:35] jesusabdullah: EITHER WAY
[17:35] TheJH: DrMcKay, :D
[17:35] chapel: but all I did was simple commit stuff
[17:35] jesusabdullah: chapel: "What? I don't have a local repo??"
[17:35] chapel: didn't have to deal with managing projects with it
[17:35] jesusabdullah: "How in the Hell"
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[17:35] Aikar: i dont think people LEARNING git is the problem, the problem is rebuilding the CI infrastructure to use git instead, and the downtime involved
[17:35] AvianFlu: I've set up a few svn servers, never again
[17:35] DrMcKay: uhm, downtime?
[17:36] chapel: ah Aikar yeah, I see what you mean
[17:36] DrMcKay: I mean, package-manager install gitolite -y
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[17:36] DrMcKay: give it few SSH keys
[17:36] DrMcKay: and you're set ;)
[17:37] Aikar: DrMcKay: normal process is take a jira story, branch off production, checkout your branch, spawn a CI for your branch, work, commit, initiate a deploy, test, merge
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[17:37] Aikar: DrMcKay: when you cant deploy cause syseng is in the middle of transitioning to git, it kills the process
[17:38] Aikar: therefor developer downtime
[17:38] Aikar: and if people make commits to svn after the git copy is done, it gets crazy
[17:39] DrMcKay: Aikar: do it on Sunday and take down SVN server?
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[17:39] Aikar: its taken hours for my groups repo to copy from svn to git, and ours is nowhere near as complex as the main app repos
[17:39] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03bobrik: bug with require - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1694
[17:39] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03bobrik: bug with require - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1694
[17:39] TheJH: DrMcKay, double message?
[17:40] TheJH: ah, no, one per comment, right?
[17:40] Aikar: DrMcKay: and when things go wrong, what do devs do on monday?
[17:40] DrMcKay: TheJH: yes
[17:40] Aikar: like i said, its just going to be alot of effort and risk
[17:40] DrMcKay: Aikar: get them a beer-pong table
[17:40] Aikar: we have one
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[17:41] TheJH: Aikar, one word: backups :D
[17:41] Aikar: we have a slide from 3rd floor to 2nd, with 360 and wii and fuusball table up stairs
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[17:41] AvianFlu: a slide?! sweet!
[17:41] DrMcKay: Aikar: so, where do I send my resume?
[17:41] TheJH: DrMcKay, :D
[17:41] Aikar: lol
[17:41] TheJH: Aikar, where are you? :D
[17:42] Aikar: we are hiring :P but they are pretty damn strict on recruiting and were a PHP shop
[17:42] Aikar: Morrisville, NC
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[17:42] Aikar: but, even though its PHP, MOST of our code is good
[17:42] Aikar: well, least my groups :P
[17:42] AvianFlu: you can make PHP really, really fast if the guys running the servers are really, really smart
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[17:43] Aikar: our slowdowns of our app stack is really all database oriented
[17:43] Aikar: PHP is doing quite fine
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[17:43] Aikar: im glad its a php shop, im a php dev primarily :P
[17:43] Aikar: node is my personal time choice
[17:44] Aikar: php pays the bills, node pays my funtime
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[17:44] qbert_: ugh whats that font name
[17:44] qbert_: that looks so pretty 
[17:44] Aikar: Arial
[17:44] godzirra: Comic Sans
[17:44] qbert_: not helping
[17:44] godzirra: Sorry. :/
[17:44] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03kingkaeru: net_uv.js throws assertion error  - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1697
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[17:45] godzirra: Can anyone tell me why I'm not getting any output when I go run this and go to the root path?  http://pastie.org/2526907  Its returning a 200, but it isn't actually returning any data.  Its just an empty response.  It seems to be an hbs problem but I don't understand why.  res.end('This is a test') works, res.render('test') does not.  Alternatively, can anyone recommend a good template system to use with express?
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[17:51] jmar777: does this look correct for creating a binary Buffer representing a sha512 hashed password? new Buffer(crypto.createHash('sha512').update('salted-password').digest('binary'), 'binary')
[17:52] jmar777: seems to be correct as best i can tell, but want to make sure i'm not missing something obvious
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[17:52] TheJH: jmar777, incorrect, I think
[17:52] TheJH: or, wait...
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[17:52] TheJH: no, looks good
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[17:52] jmar777: TheJH: thx
[17:53] TheJH: !admin eval new Buffer(require('crypto').createHash('sha512').update('salted-password').digest('base64'), 'base64')
[17:53] jhbot: ���ۂ
[17:53] TheJH: !admin eval require('crypto').createHash('sha512').update('salted-password').digest('base64')
[17:53] jhbot: 9MPc24IAqLX7c70flCr+1IQkpJOY8Tjdo0/IF1fPN8y34sZPsUNTbWGb3K2x7UjmYMTgQ5uBBFx+AjtkNjX/wg==
[17:53] TheJH: !admin eval require('crypto').createHash('sha512').update('salted-password2').digest('base64')
[17:53] jhbot: Dgl8nOwNd1Bw6PRBSYv+fL80VkkdJijOsBfNkLSPzaUg2EYDPE0TckPFq0EOHZPm8o1ISHqmyaB49w5LDWDNJQ==
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[17:54] jmar777: different is good :p
[17:54] TheJH: jmar777, not sure whether binary works correctly or might mess up stuff - I'd use base64, but just because I don't know enough :D
[17:54] TheJH: jmar777, PHP had a bug some time ago where some password hashes weren't related to the password but a constant...
[17:55] jmar777: TheJH: I'm preparing it to store in MongoDB (via Mongoose and a Buffer typed's property). i'd like to keep it a binary buffer if possible
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[17:55] TheJH: jmar777, crypto spits out a string anyway
[17:55] jmar777: sp/typed's/type'd
[17:56] TheJH: jmar777, as long as you specify the same encoding for the buffer and crypto, it shouldn't matter
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[17:57] jmar777: that is kind of odd that .digest('binary') returns string format. seems like a Buffer would be the post-Buffer-world way of doing things
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[17:58] jmar777: TheJH: obviously not a ton of work to construct a Buffer with the return value - just feels like an unnecessary step
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[17:59] TheJH: jmar777, I don't know how that mongo lib works, but crypto definitely works with strings
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[17:59] TheJH: (no idea why)
[17:59] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03bobrik: bug with require - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1694
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[18:02] codely: is there a basic express setting for express.logger to write to /logs | STDOUT?
[18:02] codely: or write a piece of middleware?
[18:02] tjholowaychuk: codely { stream: }
[18:03] tjholowaychuk: though I would just personally > logs/foo
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[18:05] jesusabdullah: v8> "logs"/3
[18:05] v8bot_: jesusabdullah: NaN
[18:05] billlazar: hi, noob question, but is there a one liner to pick an element from an array of objects based on the value of a single field?
[18:05] jesusabdullah: v8> "1"/"3"
[18:05] v8bot_: jesusabdullah: 0.3333333333333333
[18:05] jesusabdullah: hah, NICE
[18:05] jesusabdullah: billlazar: What do you have in mind?
[18:06] astacy: billlazar: sounds like _.pluck
[18:06] TheJH: jesusabdullah, there's even funnier stuff, I think:
[18:06] jesusabdullah: You can use Object.keys to iterate over keys maybe
[18:06] TheJH: v8> {valueOf: function(){return 10}}/2
[18:06] v8bot_: TheJH: SyntaxError: Unexpected token (
[18:06] TheJH: v8> ({valueOf: function(){return 10}}/2)
[18:06] v8bot_: TheJH: 5
[18:06] jesusabdullah: nice
[18:06] TheJH: jesusabdullah, ^
[18:06] billlazar: jesusabdullah: var ar = [{id: 6, val: 'xxx'}, {id: 2, val: 'xccc'}], arr[id=1]
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[18:07] astacy: billlazar: but then you've got to install the underscore package and require it… 
[18:07] jesusabdullah: Array(6+1).join("THE BEST ")
[18:07] AvianFlu_: objArray.forEach( function (obj) { if ( obj.field === 'whatever') { doStuff() } } )
[18:07] jesusabdullah: v8> Array(6+1).join("THE BEST ")
[18:07] v8bot_: jesusabdullah: "THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST "
[18:07] AvianFlu_: billlazar, ^^
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[18:07] jesusabdullah: Oh right, array *of* objects
[18:07] jesusabdullah: billlazar: You may also find filter useful
[18:08] billlazar: AvianFlu_: thx
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[18:08] jesusabdullah: v8> [1,2,3,4].filter(function(n) { return n > 2; })
[18:08] v8bot_: jesusabdullah: [3, 4]
[18:08] billlazar: jesusabdullah: ?? not trying to join array elements
[18:08] jesusabdullah: I didn't say anything about joining array elements!
[18:08] jesusabdullah: Except when I was goofing off with Dave Grohl up there^^
[18:09] codely: tjholowaychuk: how can i get the logger to stream to STDOUT?
[18:09] tjholowaychuk: codely that's the default
[18:09] billlazar: my bad
[18:09] jesusabdullah: It's cool :P
[18:09] jesusabdullah: billlazar: You might want to just look at undascore's implementation of pluck, if it sounds like it'll do what you want. Most of _'s functions are only a few lines
[18:10] billlazar: cool, will do
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[18:10] codely: tjholowaychuk: i never get a write to a file or /logs??
[18:11] tjholowaychuk: codely huh...? you can pass a stream as an option, but that stream defaults to stdout
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[18:11] codely: ahhh
[18:11] tjholowaychuk: if you want both do $ node app | tee logs/whatever
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[18:12] godzirra: tjholowaychuk: my freaking layout was empty, and needed to contain {{{body}}}.  That was it. 
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[18:12] DrMcKay: tjholowaychuk: can I somehow add routes/handlers just like I would do with module.exports, but at runtime?
[18:13] tjholowaychuk: DrMcKay yeah sure, should be able to at any time really
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[18:14] DrMcKay: tjholowaychuk: not really, when I modify exports at runtime to do it, express seems to forget about them
[18:15] Tobbe_: I added "app.use(express.logger());" to app.configure, but nothing shows up on stdout. What am I missing?
[18:15] tjholowaychuk: DrMcKay what are you doing? iterating the exports to define routes?
[18:15] tjholowaychuk: that wont work, but app.get() etc will
[18:15] DrMcKay: tjholowaychuk: that's the way I'm doing it now
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[18:15] DrMcKay: tjholowaychuk: thanks :)
[18:16] esteth: Hi folks. I'm writing a fairly sizeable desktop-distributable program, and I'm wondering what the best option is for development. I do no network stuff at present, so this is mainly just a project to learn modern JS. Should I forgo node, and just use backbone.js and a bunch of <script> tags on a html page, or should I be using backbone in tandem with stitch or browserify? What if I want coffee script? Is this a framework I'
[18:16] esteth: going to have to write myself? :S
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[18:17] guy: what sort of rate a Node.JS developer should ask in London?
[18:17] guy: daily rate*
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[18:24] cjroebuck: anyone have any pointers where to begin debugging a 'max call stack exceeded' error
[18:25] TheJH: cjackson, could you show us your code?
[18:25] esteth: probably have a function that calls itself somewhere, and you're not terminating the recursion when you think you are
[18:25] TheJH: cjackson, look for obvious recursion. if it doesn't help, put try/catch all over the place until you catch it
[18:25] cjackson: TheJH: i think you mecablazen cjroebuck
[18:25] cjackson: *mean
[18:26] TheJH: "mecablazen cjroebuck"?
[18:26] cjroebuck: nice..
[18:26] cjackson: TheJH: overzealous tabcomplete ftl :/
[18:26] DrMcKay: lol
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[18:27] cjroebuck: weird, I have a simple test, written in tobi and the exact same written in zombie,both using vows as the test runner
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[18:27] cjroebuck: both tests give the max call stack error
[18:27] cjroebuck: however when i do the same thing manually, i dont get the error
[18:28] cjroebuck: the test is literally a GET req to '/'
[18:28] guy: how much is Node.JS similar to JS?
[18:28] esteth: guy: node.js is JS
[18:28] guy: esteth: Ok. So, if I have a lot of experience with JS, developing web stuff. How quick would I be able to start building stuff with Node.JS
[18:28] esteth: it's a library on top of JS, along with a binary that executes the V8 javascript engine, loads node in, and runs your code
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[18:29] TheJH: cjackson, could you paste it somewhere?
[18:30] esteth: guy: It's like saying you know ruby, how long would it take to start building web stuff with EventMachine. If you want to build websites with javascript, you want to look into a framework like geddy or express. They run on top of nodejs
[18:30] cjroebuck: anyways, suspect its a problem with jsdom, as thats the only difference between when i run it myself, and run it from vows
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[18:30] guy: esteth: I see.
[18:31] esteth: guy: Sorry if I seemed harsh. If you've got plenty of experience with javascript, you could be writing basic stuff within the day on express. It's really simple, and the docs are pretty good
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[18:33] jesusabdullah: idk, you can build a decent webapp with raw http client and socket.io without too much difficulty (I suspect)
[18:33] jesusabdullah: I haven't actually used raw socket.io, SO...
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[18:33] jesusabdullah: dnode \m/
[18:33] guy: esteth: I did try Node.JS once, though I got lost in all the server side stuff. Then I started to study a lot a new programming language & Node.JS got out of my mind. The thing I didn't like too much about Node.JS that everyone kept pestering me about using different frameworks, when I wanted to learn simple stuff. It's like telling someone to use jQuery for someone who wants to learn javascript.
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[18:34] jesusabdullah: guy: What do you want to do, then?
[18:34] esteth: guy: The issue is that node.js is awful for writing websites in. by itself
[18:34] Jalava: there is javascript normally used on web and there javascript for programming-at-large
[18:34] esteth: it's like trying to write a website in C with just an eventful IO library
[18:34] guy: jesusabdullah: now? now I got this sick job offer & they are asking me how soon can I start.
[18:35] jesusabdullah: esteth: I disagree. It's low-level-ish but it's sane
[18:35] CIA-54: node: 03isaacs 07master * rdc8f4ee 10/ doc/api/modules.markdown : Fix #1694 Document require() cycles - http://git.io/Yy6yTA
[18:35] guy: esteth: well, if it's static content it shouldn't be hard : )
[18:35] jesusabdullah: That's not to say you shouldn't use libraries though!
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[18:35] Jalava: 99% of time your web js code doesn't involve effiecient use of prototype rewiting, unittests, continuous integration, projects with hundreds of javascript files et al
[18:35] jesusabdullah: Use the shit out of libraries.
[18:35] jesusabdullah: If that means using express, then go for it.
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[18:36] Jalava: but when you work with server code, you get into such projects really fast
[18:36] jesusabdullah: express is easy and nice
[18:36] guy: I am getting lost here. First node.js was just a framework for JS. Now, Node.JS became low-levev programming "framework"?
[18:36] guy: level*
[18:36] tjholowaychuk: jesusabdullah yeah im with you, if you find yourself writing alot, write more libraries :D
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[18:36] Jalava: no javascript is just programmin language, but most of javascript coding on web just concerns modification of dom tree
[18:36] Jalava: which itself is really simple
[18:36] jesusabdullah: guy: node.js is a javascript runtime with a module system and a small standard library aimed towards making IO (particularly network IO) easy and reasonable to do
[18:37] jesusabdullah: That means there is a nice http library, for example, that's easy to use but doesn't really do a lot *for* you
[18:37] jesusabdullah: which is why people build things like express on top of them
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[18:37] rmzg: It's higher level than C and lower level than Express!
[18:37] rmzg: Problem solved.
[18:37] jesusabdullah: It's kinda like the difference between raw DOM and jquery, except that the http client isn't annoying like the raw DOM is
[18:37] jesusabdullah: knaw mean?
[18:38] esteth: anyone have any experience with browserify? I'd like to write a sizeable client-side app, but I'd like to have sane modules and do my testing with vows. Is browserify the best tool for the job here?
[18:38] jesusabdullah: It depends on how you roll esteth
[18:38] guy: anyway, that put aside. I will start reading tomorrow, so all the concepts will get clearer in time. Now, GBP 450 per day is pretty sick rate, isn't?
[18:38] jesusabdullah: browserify is great for code reuse and integrates well with express
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[18:38] jesusabdullah: That said, some people like the alternatives better
[18:39] jesusabdullah: or prefer to cache their browserified code into static files
[18:39] esteth: jesusabdullah: Do you have a concise list of alternatives? I've seen stitch, which might be more up my street, but it lacks a command-line runner
[18:39] jesusabdullah: stitch is one
[18:39] jesusabdullah: maybe requirejs?
[18:39] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03kingkaeru: net_uv.js throws assertion error  - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1697
[18:39] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03kingkaeru: net_uv.js throws assertion error  - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1697
[18:39] jesusabdullah: In terms of completeness, I don't think you can do much better than browserify
[18:39] qbert_: whats everyones favorite node library ?
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[18:40] jesusabdullah: The one "downside" to browserify is that it absolutely does not support AMD
[18:40] joshkehn:  qbert_: vows
[18:40] Jalava: for me: nodeunit
[18:40] Jalava: and then connect
[18:40] jesusabdullah: because the author hates amd >:P
[18:40] jesusabdullah: fave libraries?
[18:40] joshkehn: AMD?
[18:40] jesusabdullah: node-irc honestly
[18:40] jesusabdullah: async module definition
[18:40] qbert_: yeah AMD sucks
[18:40] jesusabdullah: it's an alternative syntax to require
[18:40] joshkehn: Ah
[18:41] jesusabdullah: its api is shittier but it lets you load modules asyncronously, is my understanding
[18:41] esteth: jesusabdullah: I don't care about AMD. I'm shipping my software over an intranet, so I can afford to just download a massive file and then start the app
[18:41] jesusabdullah: browser-side people are convinced that they have to be able to start running shit right away so async module loading is a big demand
[18:41] baudehlo: anyone know of a good tool that can take a directory (with subdirs) of markdown files and create documentation pages, including a sidebar with links to all the pages?
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[18:41] jesusabdullah: esteth: Word
[18:41] qbert_: anyone use backhone ?
[18:41] jesusabdullah: I'm not convinced that AMD is something people need, personally
[18:41] jesusabdullah: though I'm sure you could make an argument for it
[18:42] jesusabdullah: anyways: give browserify a shot esteth!
[18:42] qbert_: baudehlo, I use http://code.google.com/p/jsdoc-toolkit/
[18:42] caolanm: baudehlo: http://github.com/caolan/petrify ?
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[18:42] codely: if I'm using expresso and should. if i run expresso. my tests, ok cool. but what is the point of naming/describing a test if i can't see them?
[18:42] codely: or is that the serial option?
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[18:42] codely: i.e.… running "this is the first unit test" .. etc
[18:42] qbert_: joshkehn, your favorite node library ?
[18:42] joshkehn: qbert_: Vows.
[18:42] esteth: jesusabdullah: I think I will, thanks :) Am I going to have to get custom versions of every library for browserify? It looks like they've got custom query and backbone from the github page :S
[18:43] joshkehn: http://vowsjs.org/
[18:43] qbert_: oh right
[18:43] qbert_: sry
[18:43] joshkehn: Np
[18:43] Jalava: today strange thing happened, we were pair programming and finished writing a test in complete. 
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[18:43] Jalava: we started debuggin until we realized that implementation was just blank file :P
[18:44] jesusabdullah: esteth: Many modules "play nice" with browserify out-of-the-box, but some don't
[18:44] Jalava: we were so deep in TDD we thought we had implemented the middleware already :D
[18:44] jesusabdullah: esteth: There are also a few npm modules for hosting exclusively client-side code through browserify, such as jquery-browserify
[18:44] qbert_: Jalava, lol, that pretty much describes how I feel about TDD
[18:44] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03thejh: add a safer (and slower, and worse) runInNewContext (see #1469) - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1696
[18:44] baudehlo: caolanm: that looks like it will probably do it. Almost looks too complex though.
[18:44] esteth: jesusabdullah: OK. I assume if I get stuck I can just add <script> tags if need be though :)
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[18:45] caolanm: baudehlo: yeah, if you don't want to customize the output at all then maybe it is...
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[18:45] baudehlo: yeah I don't need anything fancy. CSS can do all the customising.
[18:45] caolanm: baudehlo: but if you're going to end up writing a script to generate navigation etc, pertrify provides a nice structure to do that
[18:45] baudehlo: *nod*
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[18:46] baudehlo: I might just do it all in perl.
[18:46] jesusabdullah: Oh, yeah, all browserify does is host your browserified code at /browserified.js or some such
[18:46] jesusabdullah: so
[18:46] baudehlo: will take me less time than figuring out all the intricasies of a new project.
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[18:46] jesusabdullah: sure
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[18:47] [diecast]: is it possible to serve multiple apps with cluster('/diretory/of/apps/') or similar
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[18:49] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03thejh: add a safer (and slower, and worse) runInNewContext (see #1469) - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1696
[18:49] jesusabdullah: tjholowaychuk: [diecast] is raising his hand
[18:49] jesusabdullah: (or her for all I know)
[18:50] tjholowaychuk: [diecast] you can kinda fake it with connect's vhost()
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[18:50] [diecast]: i saw that
[18:50] [diecast]: not what i want
[18:50] tjholowaychuk: but if you want to manage them as separate apps it's obviously not ideal
[18:50] tjholowaychuk: so it kinda depends what you want
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[18:50] [diecast]: i want to hand a directory over to a group of devs and say - "put your apps here and have fun"
[18:51] tjholowaychuk: right
[18:51] [diecast]: with cluster handling to reloading, etc
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[18:52] codely: channel poll, favorite unit testing framework ...
[18:52] tjholowaychuk: wouldnt you want them mapped via domain anyway?
[18:52] tjholowaychuk: or what did you have in mind for that
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[18:53] DrMcKay: caolanm: done :)
[18:53] caolanm: DrMcKay: thanks
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[18:54] [diecast]: tjholowaychuk: i've only just started using node since friday. so i spent the weekend just getting my head in it
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[18:54] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03thejh: add a safer (and slower, and worse) runInNewContext (see #1469) - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1696
[18:55] tjholowaychuk: [diecast] ah ok cool, well feel free to ping me if you have ideas. sounds to me like vhost() could work though, iterate the domains in a dir, export the apps and assign them to .use(vhost(...))
[18:55] tjholowaychuk: something like that
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[18:55] mikola: Taking a poll: How many people here are working on MMOG's?
[18:55] DrMcKay: caolanm: are you going to push new version to npm? the one in there still uses require.paths
[18:55] fatjonny: [diecast]: Have you looked at haibu? https://github.com/nodejitsu/haibu …it sounds like it might do something like what you want unless I misunderstand
[18:55] joshkehn: mikola: That's an oddly specific question. :)
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[18:56] mikola: Not that specific, I think it seems like a great application for node
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[18:56] mikola: plus it is a pretty huge area, lots of things to do!
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[18:56] joshkehn: Sorry I jumped out there for a second, repeat? :)
[18:56] mikola: ok:  I was just asking if anyone out here is working on a browser based MMO using node.js?
[18:57] [diecast]: fatjonny: possibly
[18:57] [diecast]: tjholowaychuk: thanks, will look at that
[18:57] crescendo|laptop: mikola, I've tossed around the idea.
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[18:57] mikola: Well, I have a framework that I've been fiddling with in my spare time, and wouldn't mind recruiting others for help at this stage
[18:58] mikola: or else getting some more eyes to look at the code
[18:58] maxogden: mikola: githubz?
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[18:58] mikola: It has a few neat features, but I still need to put in some more work on the client
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[18:58] mikola: maxogden: Yep!  Here you go: https://github.com/mikolalysenko/JSGameShell
[18:58] mikola: One neat thing that I am proud of so far:  It does automatic object replication and persistence!
[18:59] mikola: by computing patches for entity state when it replicates it to the client
[18:59] mikola: which makes it possible to write the game code without worrying about how to synchronize it for the most part
[18:59] SubStack: handy for games
[18:59] mikola: (though clients are not necessarily all consistent, but this is IMO not such a big deal)
[19:00] mikola: plus they are eventually consistent given enough time
[19:00] mikola: SubStack:  It uses dnode :)
[19:00] rmzg: SUBSTACK
[19:01] SubStack: ARE EMM ZEE GEE
[19:01] rmzg: Long time no see
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[19:01] SubStack: mikola: a general purpose pluggable replication lib on top of dnode would be super great I think
[19:02] mikola: yeah, I've been thinking about that
[19:02] SubStack: once you figure out the specifics of how those work best in practice with that framework
[19:02] mikola: it would solve a lot of problems not just in gaming
[19:02] mikola: right, I think at this stage I don't quite know how best to generate it
[19:03] mikola: though it handles both server-client replication and server-db persistence automatically
[19:03] qbert_: how do I change the content type with express,  res.set('Content-Type') ?
[19:04] tjholowaychuk: qbert_ res.header('Content-Type', val) or res.contentType(filename) (sets the field based on the extname)
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[19:05] qbert_: thx :)
[19:05] kenperkins: any hot SaaS you guys recommend?
[19:05] maxogden: mikola: is the entity state code you wrote kinda like an operational transformation algorithm (e.g. etherpad) ?
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[19:05] qbert_: kenperkins, whats that mean ?
[19:05] mikola: not exactly
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[19:06] mikola: it basically just computes a patch
[19:06] mikola: like an ips patcher
[19:06] kenperkins: you know, things like campfire, papertrailapp, agilezen, etc
[19:06] kenperkins: things that help run your site/app
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[19:06] mikola: maxogden: You can look at the code for patching the entities in the file server/patcher.js
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[19:07] maxogden: mikola: cool! this is really interesting
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[19:07] mikola: I actually have a separate project just for the entity patcher, though that one is slightly out of date from the rest of the game engine
[19:08] mikola: https://github.com/mikolalysenko/patcher.js
[19:08] mikola: I am also planning on doing some optimizations later on, like saving common strings on both the server and client
[19:08] mikola: so for example, if you have a field which changes a lot, you could replace it with a numeric constant that would only get transmitted once
[19:08] mikola: that way the diffs wouldn't have to take up quite as much room
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[19:09] maxogden: mikola: ah cool. i was experimenting with msgpack last week for similar reasons
[19:09] mikola: yeah
[19:09] mikola: it definitely can be made better, but this one seems to work acceptably for now
[19:10] mikola: but of course there is room for improvement :)
[19:10] mikola: I am actually a bit too excited about it I think, and I didn't get enough sleep last night
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[19:10] maxogden: mikola: thats a good problem to have :)
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[19:12] mikola: My current (ambitious) plan is to try and have a workable engine by friday, then to make a game with it in the upcoming mini-ludum dare competition
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[19:12] mikola: if all goes well, it will be the first MMO made in 48 hours :)
[19:12] mikola: of course the odds of failure are also pretty high, so it could quite well flop
[19:13] maxogden: mikola: nice. i have some pretty cool animated gifs of cats if you need them. a MMO about cats would be awesome
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[19:13] nym: hey isaacs 
[19:13] maxogden: i should convert them to animated css3 sprites
[19:13] isaacs: hi
[19:13] nym: isaacs: https://github.com/visionmedia/express/issues/708
[19:13] nym: NPM doesn't work!
[19:13] mikola: maxogden: I am doing the client in webgl
[19:13] mikola: so css sprites would probably just slow it down
[19:14] nym: isaacs: someone came on #locker project with that error
[19:14] maxogden: :P
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[19:14] mikola: also there is a rule that all the art has to be made in the 48 hour time limit
[19:14] isaacs: nym: they installed NPM, not npm
[19:14] nym: yeah, http://www.cabiatl.com/CABI/npm/
[19:14] mikola: though you can start with your own game engine
[19:14] isaacs: yeah.  that's not my program.
[19:14] maxogden: hahahah
[19:14] nym: isaacs: i know, it's hilarious
[19:15] maxogden: nodejs... thats the non parametric mapping toolkit right? for realtime brain imaging?
[19:15] isaacs: hahah
[19:15] mikola: my room mate actually does that sort of stuff
[19:15] mikola: for his phd thesis
[19:15] isaacs: people are too trusting of Ubuntu's suggestions.
[19:15] maxogden: turns out google's javascript engine can read your brain
[19:16] maxogden: ad targeting
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[19:16] isaacs: and too used to just copying and pasting whatever it tells them to install
[19:16] nym: clever googlers
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[19:16] isaacs: nym: well, if you type `npm` on an ubuntu system, it tells you what to install to get that cli program.
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[19:16] isaacs: nym: and it doesn't know about me, but does know about this non-parametric mapping program for image analysis, apparently.
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[19:16] nym: ah... that makes more sense
[19:17] creationix: and don't forget that node is also taken
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[19:17] creationix: "Amateur Packet Radio node program"
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[19:18] creationix: so if you combine Amateur Packet Radio with non-parametric mapping algos you get somthing almost as cool as node + npm
[19:18] isaacs: nym: i don't know how ubundu decides these things.
[19:18] DrMcKay: lol
[19:18] isaacs: er, debian, i guess
[19:18] cjroebuck: theJH: so i tracked down the stack overflow to a jsdom function, here is the snippet and a test with the output http://pastebin.com/xByWr7vn
[19:18] nym: isaacs: lockerproject's instructions clearly tell you how to get the right npm
[19:18] creationix: isaacs: mostly first-come
[19:19] isaacs: creationix: yes, this is the problem with regimented democracies.
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[19:19] isaacs: npm's registry is "first come, first served, unless i decide otherwise because it makes more sense some other way"
[19:19] maxogden: 'all i wanted was a real time chat server but now im using a ham radio to give my neighbors a CAT scan. stupid linux'
[19:19] isaacs: you need a lazy dictator
[19:19] DrMcKay: maxogden: lol :D
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[19:20] isaacs: lol
[19:20] DrMcKay: node-0.3.2-8.fc15.x86_64 : Simple node front end, modelled after the node shells of TheNet : and G8BPQ nodes
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[19:20] creationix: we should add npm and node bindings to nodejs
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[19:21] creationix: then you can give your neighbors radio powered cat scans from evented javascript and serve it over websockets
[19:21] DrMcKay: "Simple node front end, modelled after the node shells of TheNet and G8BPQ nodes" <- /usr/sbin/node in Fedora
[19:21] maxogden: hahah
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[19:22] DrMcKay: ok, so who writes it?
[19:22] isaacs: creationix: hahah
[19:22] creationix: yeah, naming things is one of the two hard problems in computer science...  The others are cache invalidation and off-by-one errors
[19:22] jesusabdullah: That sounds like fun!
[19:22] DrMcKay: we should have a REST interface
[19:22] isaacs: this wiki page is fanscinating: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_public_management
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[19:23] DrMcKay: /neighbour/:id/scan?
[19:23] isaacs: *fascinating, too
[19:23] jesusabdullah: I wanna use hook.io to stream measurements data
[19:23] isaacs: DrMcKay: or an ldap interface!
[19:23] jesusabdullah: I actually really like measurements! It's a ton of fun.
[19:23] isaacs: scan the brains of your whole neighborhood from outlook express!
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[19:23] jesusabdullah: hah :D
[19:23] isaacs: "Some modern authors define NPM as a combination of splitting large bureaucracies into smaller, more fragmented ones, competition between different public agencies, and between public agencies and private firms and incentivization on more economic lines."
[19:23] DrMcKay: isaacs: lol
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[19:24] isaacs: it's oddly similar to some of the ideas that actually made me want to build a package manager in the first place.
[19:24] [diecast]: hey tjholowaychuk - i'm back, trying to get expresso+connect installed "npm info expresso@0.8.1 Failed to exec preinstall script"
[19:24] jesusabdullah: What npm is this? o__o
[19:24] DrMcKay: oh, so that's why I don't have to sign anything when publishing
[19:24] isaacs: jesusabdullah: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_public_management
[19:24] jesusabdullah: I see
[19:24] isaacs: kind of outdated, since internet stuff changed everything
[19:25] isaacs: and there's plenty of classical public management still in effect, since governments don't change quickly
[19:25] [diecast]: tjholowaychuk: https://gist.github.com/1214802
[19:27] isaacs: i wonder if the national organization of pastoral musicians is upset about me taking their google top-spot
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[19:31] qbert_: isaacs, nice
[19:31] hornairs: hey isaacs do you recommend distributing tests/examples in npm packages?
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[19:31] isaacs: hornairs: yes.
[19:31] qbert_: really?  I vote no
[19:31] hornairs: isaacs cool, what about coffeescript source?
[19:32] isaacs: hornairs: sure.
[19:32] isaacs: hornairs: if you like
[19:32] hornairs: isaacs you're the coolest
[19:32] Tobbe_: isaacs: how about adding an option to npm to copy files instead of symlinking to them? (to make npm work on windows mounts)
[19:32] qbert_: now my git is cluttered with a bunch of tests and examples I dont really need in there
[19:32] maxogden: as long as there is javascript source too :)
[19:32] isaacs: hornairs: list `coffee-script` as a devDependency, and your test harness program, and add a scripts.test command to run your tests.
[19:32] isaacs: hornairs: see http://npmjs.org/doc/json.html
[19:32] Aiden: Does anyone have any experience running nodejs on Heroku using SSL?
[19:32] isaacs: hornairs: and http://npmjs.org/doc/scripts.html
[19:33] isaacs: Tobbe_: npm will run on windows native very soon.
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[19:33] isaacs: Tobbe_: ie, sooner than it would take to make the change you just suggested :)
[19:33] Tobbe_: isaacs: cool :)
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[19:34] qbert_: isaacs, btw, I ripped off your website design http://thecodebase.com/bang/, ;).  Theres cred at the bottom though
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[19:38] short_chuck: can someone give a newb a clue about: var internals {}; server.use(internals.notFound);
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[19:45] ecaroth: anybody available to answer a quick question about an error encountered while installing nodejs on windows using cgywin?
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[19:47] explodes: i am not available to answer that question
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[19:47] ecaroth: damn
[19:47] explodes: but i bet if you pasted your error (http://pastie.org) someone might be able to review your error and find a solution
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[19:49] ecaroth: install err, any advice/help would be appreciated! http://pastie.org/2528171
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[19:53] TheJH: ecaroth, the error message is longer, that part says nearly nothing, I think
[19:54] ecaroth: I agree, it's very vague - however that's the whole error
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[19:54] ecaroth: might be relevent content above the err - i'll grab it
[19:55] TheJH: cjroebuck, hmm, no idea
[19:55] ecaroth: Here is the content above the err http://pastie.org/2528208
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[19:56] qbert_: anyone use simple-class ?
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[19:57] TheJH: ld segfault? is that known?
[19:57] TheJH: !issue search ld build segfault
[19:57] jhbot: no issues found
[19:57] cjroebuck: theJH: heh, no worries, suspect its an issue with jsdom, as tobi/vows are using a different vers to what i am in my app
[19:57] TheJH: !issue search segfault
[19:57] jhbot: found issues: 1
[19:57] jhbot: Issue: https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/637 : Memory leak in vm.runInContext()
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[19:57] DrMcKay: TheJH: I think that ld segfaulted on me once when building node
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[19:58] TheJH: DrMcKay, it's the problem ecaroth has
[19:58] jmar777: i think i'm missing something basic about npm. i installed mongoose via npm back at version 1.7.  if i do `npm view mongoose`, i can see that it's currently at 2.x.
[19:58] isaacs: jmar777: view views the version on the registry
[19:58] isaacs: jmar777: note the "versions" list
[19:59] isaacs: jmar777: to see what version you have, use `npm ls`
[19:59] isaacs: jmar777: http://npmjs.org/doc/view.html
[19:59] jmar777: isaacs: 1.7.3, per npm ls
[19:59] DrMcKay: TheJH: it might've been somehow similarr
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[19:59] isaacs: there ya go :)
[19:59] DrMcKay: ecaroth: make distclean && ccache -C
[19:59] jmar777: isaacs: what i'm confused about is why it doesn't show up when i say `npm outdated`
[19:59] jmar777: isaacs: and nothing happens when i do `npm update mongoose`
[19:59] isaacs: jmar777: maybe because your pacakge.json doesn't allow any other version?
[20:00] jmar777: isaacs: right now i have the default package.json created by the express scaffolding, but no reference to mongoose in there
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[20:00] isaacs: hrm... ok..
[20:00] isaacs: .
[20:01] isaacs: jmar777: what's npm -v?
[20:01] jmar777: isaacs: 1.0.15
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[20:01] isaacs: jmar777: update that shiznit!
[20:01] isaacs: it's ooooold!!
[20:02] isaacs: ircretary: inst jmar777 for me
[20:02] ircretary: jmar777: `curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sh` (or, if there are permission issues, you can try: `curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sudo sh`)
[20:02] isaacs: ircretary: thanks
[20:02] ircretary: isaacs: You're welcome :)
[20:02] TheJH: :D
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[20:02] isaacs: 
ACTION likes making his robots humanlike

[20:02] jmar777: isaacs: thanks, will do :)
[20:03] maxogden: isaacs: can you install the east london anthropomorphization package on your bot please?
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[20:03] isaacs: jmar777: that being said, it looks like update/outdated is a little busted somehow.
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[20:03] isaacs: maxogden: no, ircretary is all american.
[20:03] DrMcKay: isaacs: lol @ brain.js
[20:03] isaacs: watches football,even.
[20:03] DrMcKay: *brains.js
[20:03] epsas: maxogden - whitechapel.freenode.org
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[20:05] jmar777: isaacs: what is the significance of 'extraneous'.  E.g., `npm ls` gives "├─┬ mongoose@1.7.3  extraneous"
[20:05] isaacs: jmar777: yeah, cuz it's not in your package.json file
[20:05] isaacs: so npm doesn't quite know what you want done with it
[20:05] jmar777: isaacs: k, i'll try adding it there
[20:05] isaacs: jmar777: btw, you can install with --save to write the dep to your package.json file
[20:06] TheJH: !admin eval irc.on('privmsg',function(msg){if (~msg.params[1].indexOf('curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sudo sh')) irc.privmsg(msg.params[0], msg.person.nick+', piping stuff from http into a shell is... well... not *such* a good idea')})
[20:06] jhbot: [object Object]
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[20:06] jmar777: isaacs: sweet, thanks
[20:06] TheJH: you can try: `curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sudo sh`
[20:06] jhbot: TheJH, piping stuff from http into a shell is... well... not *such* a good idea
[20:06] jmar777: isaacs: maybe i'll just try uninstalling it and reinstalling with that option
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[20:06] DrMcKay: TheJH: s/shell/sudoed/
[20:07] DrMcKay: TheJH: *s/shell/sudoed shell/
[20:07] DrMcKay: or whatever
[20:07] TheJH: DrMcKay, normal shell is bad enough :D
[20:07] jmar777: isaacs: wahoo, that worked. thanks for the help
[20:07] isaacs: jmar777: np
[20:07] isaacs: yeah, update is weird right now
[20:07] isaacs: (on npm master)
[20:07] isaacs: it fixes *broken* situations, but doesn't properly detect new versions, which is kinda odd and lame.
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[20:08] TheJH: isaacs, when do we get "npm use" (or whatever it should be called)? *annoy*
[20:09] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03thejh: add a safer (and slower, and worse) runInNewContext (see #1469) - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1696
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[20:12] TheJH: bradleymeck, where does that gist show whether it succeeded?
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[20:12] TheJH: (the one you linke din the gh issue)
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[20:13] isaacs: TheJH: soon
[20:13] TheJH: isaacs, :)
[20:13] isaacs: TheJH: the patch looks ok, just really focused on getting windows to work.
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[20:14] softdrink: oooh, serial module for node.
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[20:14] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03glenjamin: Provide a standard way to mark library functions as deprecated - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1692
[20:14] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03nponeccop: https.get hangs with mtgox.com - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1302
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[20:14] isaacs: there's going to be a strict-ssl update, which fixes a few things for windows.  next, a "works on windows, but using some kludges".  then a prettier thing with some good updates for stuff we all want (like your "use" thing).  and lastly, a "works good on windows for reals".
[20:15] DrMcKay: isaacs: hang on, everything is going to be fine. we understand you.
[20:15] isaacs: :)
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[20:17] TheJH: bradleymeck, ping
[20:17] bradleymeck: thejh, mm? oh, it prints out "ez" to the console if a leak occured
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[20:18] bradleymeck: wont detect every leak, but it will get a fair amount
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[20:18] TheJH: bradleymeck, running it with node doesn't print anything here
[20:18] TheJH: (node master)
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[20:18] TheJH: even without runInNewSafeContext
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[20:19] bradleymeck: on node 0.4.10 it prints out like 20
[20:19] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03AD7six: output a warning if attempting to stringify something that is dropped - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1691
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[20:20] piscisaureus: v8: (function alertMe() { var Object = {}.constructor; var o = Object.create(Error.prototype); function stack() { stack.caller.constructor("try{console.log(\"ez\")}catch(e){}")(); return function () {return "0";}; } var properties = {}; ["create", "defineProperty", "defineProperties", "typeof", "void", "new", "parseInt", "parseFloat", "eval", "RegExp", "Number", "String", "Function", "Array", "Object", "Date", "Buffer", "isArray", "isBuff
[20:20] v8bot_: piscisaureus: SyntaxError: Unexpected token ILLEGAL
[20:20] TheJH: haha
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[20:20] bradleymeck: too big
[20:20] TheJH: piscisaureus, I know a way to hack it :D
[20:21] piscisaureus: I don't really want to hack it
[20:21] piscisaureus: just curious :-)
[20:21] piscisaureus: but I will not spam this channel or I'll have to ban myself
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[20:22] TheJH: :D
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[20:24] DrMcKay: I think I will start using this: http://whatthecommit.com/
[20:26] [diecast]: DrMcKay: excellent
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[20:26] devaholic: "fondled the code"
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[20:27] DrMcKay: but it doesn't have any api, so that I could: git commit -a -m '`curl whatthecommit.com/api`'
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[20:28] DrMcKay: but it's open source :D
[20:28] DrMcKay: 
ACTION forks

[20:28] DrMcKay: https://github.com/ngerakines/commitment
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[20:29] DrMcKay: meh, it has some clients
[20:29] DrMcKay: but still, API would be useful
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[20:30] DrMcKay: also, anyone here interested in helping with charity node.js project?
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[20:31] rmzg: If I've got a jsdom document.window object, how can I retrieve its html?
[20:31] DrMcKay: things like distaster relief, looking for missing people, etc.
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[20:32] rmzg: wtb actual documentation =[
[20:32] rmzg: please
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[20:33] TheJH: hey nuck!
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[20:34] TheJH: v8> "hello nuck. I'm sad. I was hacked. "+JSON.stringify((new console.log.constructor('return process'))().version)
[20:34] v8bot_: TheJH: "hello nuck. I'm sad. I was hacked. "v0.4.8""
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[20:34] rmzg: Ah, success
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[20:38] DrMcKay: https://github.com/Relief-1/Relief1 <- just in case anyone was wondering what project I was talking about
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[20:38] DrMcKay: (but seriously, you should check it out, it's cool)
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[20:39] rmzg: DrMcKay: So, I went there, and I read the readme, and it says absolutely nothing beyond buzzwords.
[20:40] rmzg: 
ACTION shrugs

[20:40] DrMcKay: rmzg: OK, so now it's time for me to tell you what it's really about
[20:40] DrMcKay: and I should yell at CarterL as well
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[20:41] DrMcKay: rmzg: basically, let's say that there was a disaster
[20:41] DrMcKay: rmzg: you need water, someone needs socks and medical help
[20:41] rmzg: Don't tell me, tell the readme!
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[20:41] DrMcKay: rmzg: OK
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[20:42] DrMcKay: CarterL: would you please replace README bullshit with less bullshit?
[20:43] rmzg: On an unrelated note, what's the Correct Way to test if an element is undefined?
[20:44] AvianFlu: rmzg: if (typeof thing === 'undefined')
[20:44] rmzg: really?
[20:44] rmzg: Ok.
[20:44] rmzg: Wait actually, undefined is false right?
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[20:44] TheJH: rmzg, (thing === void 0) should work, too
[20:44] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03dscape: Parse Error on http.get in 0.4.11 - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1569
[20:44] TheJH: rmzg, it's NOT
[20:44] rmzg: Seriously?
[20:45] TheJH: rmzg, undefined == false, but undefined !== false
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[20:45] TheJH: !admin eval 0 == false
[20:45] jhbot: true
[20:45] TheJH: !admin eval 0 ==) false
[20:45] TheJH: !admin eval 0 === false
[20:45] jhbot: false
[20:45] TheJH: !admin eval undefined === false
[20:45] jhbot: false
[20:45] TheJH: !admin eval undefined == false
[20:45] jhbot: false
[20:45] rmzg: Ok?
[20:45] rmzg: The point is, I can just do if( object )
[20:45] TheJH: rmzg, that checks for truthyness
[20:46] rmzg: Yup
[20:46] TheJH: rmzg, if you're sure it's an object, it should be fine
[20:46] rmzg: If the api is returning '0' instead of an object, I have bigger problems and want to abort anyway
[20:46] TheJH: rmzg, but if it could be a string or so, don't do it
[20:46] rmzg: heh
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[20:47] TheJH: !admin eval !!""
[20:47] jhbot: false
[20:47] maxogden: DrMcKay: curl whatthecommit.com | grep '<p>.*' | sed -e 's/<p>//'
[20:47] rmzg: Bleh, ugly code is ugly.
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[20:47] rmzg: Basically what I'm trying to do is: var obj = $(selector logic); if( obj ) { obj.method() }
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[20:48] rmzg: So in theory the right way to do is to test if obj is whatever the hell the queryselect method returns, except that might change..
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[20:48] rmzg: Well, it must return NULL or an object, so
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[20:49] TheJH: rmzg, it should work :D
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[20:49] cconstantine_: I've got a long (200ms+) computation that I'm splitting into multiple functions.  Is there anyway to register a method to happen after everything currently in the event list is complete?
[20:50] TheJH: cconstantine_, no. use an async library or so for that which can count completed callbacks or so
[20:51] CarterL: DrMcKay: huh
[20:52] cconstantine_: TheJH, any recommendations?
[20:52] TheJH: cconstantine_, I like caolans async
[20:53] TheJH: https://github.com/caolan/async/ or so
[20:53] cconstantine_: thanks
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[20:53] cconstantine_: yeah, this looks great
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[20:54] DrMcKay: CarterL: people say that our README is full of buzzwords and bullshit
[20:55] DrMcKay: rmzg: some suggestions how can we make it better>
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[20:55] rmzg: Start with specifics. What you've done so far. Exactly what you want to accomplish. How you'll help them. Example use cases.
[20:55] DrMcKay: rmzg: thank you :)
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[20:57] rmzg: You need essentially two main sections, the general overview talking about how, why and what you want to do, including nice personal stories and other such rhetoric to convince people, but then if you want that to translate into actual help you need a more specific set of tasks and requirements people can contribute to.
[20:57] CarterL: rmzg: good points, i appreciate that
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[20:57] rmzg: People are far more likely to start helping by implementing either something they personally really want, or more likely, something that's already been defined.
[20:57] CarterL: rmzg: i agree
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[20:59] CarterL: rmzg: can't thank you enough for that, i'll get right on it
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[21:00] rmzg: That's what I'm here for, sitting around offering criticisms of projects trying to help people!
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[21:08] chapel: TheJH: have you seen nimble?
[21:09] TheJH: chapel, don't think so
[21:09] TheJH: !npm search nimble
[21:09] jhbot: package nimble: A really tiny functional JavaScript and async flow-control library
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[21:09] chapel: http://caolan.github.com/nimble/
[21:09] TheJH: chapel, ah, right, caolan told me about it
[21:09] chapel: seems like a smaller, but nice library
[21:09] chapel: doesn't have the same depth of async
[21:10] chapel: but if you just need simple control flow, that might be nice
[21:10] TheJH: I proposed a change and he said that it'd be a breking change, but that he had already done it in nimble
[21:10] TheJH: *breaking
[21:10] chapel: what was the change?
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[21:12] TheJH: chapel, uh, don't remember
[21:13] blkcat: huh, nimble looks nice
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[21:15] chapel: blkcat: you hadn't seen it?
[21:15] chapel: the nice thing really is having flow control in the browser
[21:15] chapel: not that it was a hard problem, or not solved
[21:16] chapel: but a simple smaller library, is much nicer
[21:16] blkcat: nah - i'd only been familiar with async.
[21:16] blkcat: 
ACTION files that away :)

[21:16] DrMcKay: btw, I would really like some library returning functions, not executing them
[21:16] chapel: :)
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[21:17] TheJH: DrMcKay, why?
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[21:18] mikeal: yay! more flow control libraries :P
[21:18] DrMcKay: TheJH: I remember I needed it one day
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[21:19] chapel: mikeal: thats old
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[21:19] DrMcKay: I think I will write it by myself :D
[21:19] chapel: mikeal: Im disappoint, you didn't rejudge our entry :(
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[21:19] mikeal: i just didn't have time
[21:19] chapel: I understand
[21:19] mikeal: i had to run a conference
[21:20] chapel: but you shouldn't have voted then
[21:20] mikeal: i thought i'd have time to sit down and do another 40 entries and go back through the ones that commented 
[21:20] chapel: you totally screwed our score, Im not mad, just disappointed
[21:21] mikeal: why did i give it a low score?
[21:21] mikeal: i don't even remember which one was yours
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[21:22] chapel: loopon, it was because it wouldn't play audio (the particular version of chrome you were running had a bug with our site that didn't show up in any other versions)
[21:22] chapel: had to do with the flash that was included I believe
[21:22] maxogden: DrMcKay: i scraped all the http://whatthecommit.com/ messages and put them here http://datacouch.com/edit/#/dca42ee329dce8b97ccd706c58152e2bf9
[21:22] mikeal: so it was a low completeness score?
[21:22] DrMcKay: maxogden: you didn't have to scrape them
[21:23] devaholic: what place did you end up getting chapel
[21:23] mikeal: cause the completeness winner worked in all the browsers of all the judges 
[21:23] chapel: mikeal: you have us 1's for everything but design, which was a 3
[21:23] DrMcKay: maxogden: they're available in a repo
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[21:23] maxogden: DrMcKay: open source fail that theres no link on the page :)
[21:23] maxogden: 
ACTION views source

[21:23] maxogden: DrMcKay: oh
[21:24] DrMcKay: maxogden: :D
[21:24] DrMcKay: maxogden: I think I will write some "API" for that ;)
[21:24] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03AD7six: output a warning if attempting to stringify something that is dropped - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1691
[21:25] mikeal: i was a pretty harsh critic this year, there were a lot of amazing entries 
[21:25] chapel: mikeal: it was how low you scored us that was disappointing, because as per the judging instructions, if it wasn't working you should have waited to vote, but whatever, its over with and nothing we can do
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[21:27] mikeal: i didn't even vote until tuesday
[21:27] mikeal: i didn't vote until they sent me an email saying "hey dude, you need to start voting"
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[21:27] mikeal: so when they weren't working i judged harshly
[21:27] mikeal: nobody who didn't work in a version of chrome won
[21:28] chapel: no worries, next year I will be making sure there is little reason for someone to not be able to use my entry
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[21:28] chapel: ours worked in chrome, it was only one specific version that didn't work
[21:28] mikeal: next year I hope they ditch the prizes 
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[21:28] maxogden: i only enter hackathons to win prizes
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[21:29] mikeal: i hope the prizes are like "a toaster signed by Ryan Dahl"
[21:29] chapel: devaholic: got 23rd
[21:29] devaholic: ah
[21:29] chapel: I didn't care about the prizes
[21:29] jesusabdullah: That would be an awesome prize
[21:29] chapel: I just wanted to be in the top 10
[21:29] jesusabdullah: I should help run nko next year
[21:29] mikeal: yeah, a lot of people didn't but some people did and it drove them fuckin insane
[21:29] devaholic: i was watching it closely
[21:29] maxogden: "an evening out with isaacs cats"
[21:29] jesusabdullah: I have *no* idea what that involves, but I like this community a lot
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[21:29] jesusabdullah: and nko
[21:30] chapel: jesusabdullah: same here
[21:30] mikeal: haha, a signed photograph of isaacs cat :)
[21:30] chapel: I wouldn't mind helping
[21:30] chapel: but I like competing
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[21:30] jesusabdullah: XD
[21:30] isaacs: it's signed by maxogden
[21:30] maxogden: :P
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[21:30] isaacs: who also took it, unbeknownst to me
[21:30] denom: I'm new to npm, I made a package.json file and added a dependency. Then I used npm install, is that enough to install my projects dependencies?
[21:30] chapel: A talk + cold glass of milk with creationix
[21:30] isaacs: denom: yep :)
[21:30] devaholic: maybe i should have joined your team afterall, since i didnt even complete mine =/
[21:31] mikeal: chapel: hahahahahaha
[21:31] mikeal: i would compete so hard to win that
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[21:31] isaacs: chapel: no, that's the dance-off prize
[21:31] jesusabdullah: Reminds me of The Price is Right
[21:31] devaholic: i passed out at my keyboard on sunday afternoon, lewl
[21:31] jesusabdullah: "...a USED CAR!!"
[21:31] jesusabdullah: "!!!!"
[21:31] jesusabdullah: I bet getting prizes like macbook airs and shit is easier, though
[21:31] maxogden: if you havent seen creationix dance in a barn at midnight you havent lived
[21:31] chapel: devaholic: haha, I got < 10 hours of sleep the whole time, still a lot more than some
[21:31] denom: Hm, I tried `npm install underscore` and looked inside the node_modules folder and nothing is there! But I can still require('underscore'), that works...
[21:31] jesusabdullah: than getting, like, a deluxe Ryan Dahl-signed toaster
[21:32] chapel: jesusabdullah: well of course, its easier to get money from sponsors than cool unique prizes
[21:32] jesusabdullah: well, yeah!
[21:32] denom: I wonder where it is being installed to...
[21:33] devaholic: everyone should get a white t-shirt, the winner should get a green t-shirt, or something stupid like that
[21:33] devaholic: then it's like golf
[21:33] [diecast]: im having so many npm install problems its just ridiculous 
[21:33] maxogden: tour de node
[21:33] chapel: I would be happier with unique prizes
[21:33] [diecast]: is it because im using node 0.5.5 and npm 1.0.27
[21:33] chapel: like a trophy that means something
[21:33] chapel: more than a laptop
[21:33] isaacs: diecast: maybe
[21:34] isaacs: diecast: you should use a name that doesn't start with [ so that colloquy users can tab-complete you
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[21:34] [diecast]: but they can
[21:34] isaacs: [diecast]: ^
[21:34] isaacs: nope.
[21:34] [diecast]: just use '[' first, then tab
[21:34] chapel: [diecast]: you can use linkinus :)
[21:34] [diecast]: then get another client ;)
[21:34] jesusabdullah: YOU WILL RECEIVE an ENTIRE ROLL of BLUE VISNUP STICKERS!
[21:34] maxogden: hahahah
[21:34] jesusabdullah: (yeahhhhhh)
[21:34] chapel: isaacs: you should use linkinus, colloquy sucks
[21:34] jesusabdullah: (whooooo)
[21:34] isaacs: ahh, i see, if you do [<tab> it works, but [die<tab> doesn't
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[21:35] isaacs: colloquy is what i'm used to.  i'm imprinted.  it's too late for me.  save yourselves.
[21:35] chapel: lol
[21:35] jesusabdullah: haha
[21:35] jesusabdullah: MAYBE I WILL
[21:35] maxogden: visnup had one of those stickers on a 40 that he was nursing at summercamp. the sticker was peeking out from behind the paper bag
[21:35] ctide: isaacs: irssi via screen on an ec2 box
[21:35] jesusabdullah: haha, yeah
[21:35] ctide: imo!
[21:35] chapel: isaacs: Id be willing to buy you a license to it
[21:35] [diecast]: isaacs: recommend a node+npm version combo? =)
[21:35] jesusabdullah: I have one of those stickers on my water bottle at home
[21:35] chapel: I want a sticker
[21:35] isaacs: [diecast]: it should work with node 0.5.5
[21:35] [diecast]: 
ACTION sticks chapel

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[21:36] isaacs: [diecast]: what problems are you seeing?
[21:36] [diecast]: pre-install failures on all kinds of things
[21:36] isaacs: denom: in the repl, do `require.resolve("underscore")` to see where it's coming from
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[21:36] isaacs: denom: probably, you installed it somewhere else already
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[21:36] DrMcKay: btw, since we're talking events, anyone for http://rupy.eu?
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[21:37] Sense545: anyone know anything about node-express-boilerplate ?
[21:37] [diecast]: isaacs: was that meant for me?
[21:37] isaacs: [diecast]: no, it was for denom.  said that he was confused about where underscore was coming from
[21:37] [diecast]: ok ;)
[21:38] devaholic: it's a pretty simple express app, sense545
[21:38] Sense545: im trying to set it up, but do not know what the diffrent settings in the siteConfig.js do
[21:38] isaacs: [diecast]: can you be more specific?  maybe phrase your request in the form of a gist with some console output?
[21:38] [diecast]: sure
[21:38] Sense545: like, sessionSecret.. what should that be?
[21:39] denom: isaacs, thanks! It's going into $HOME/.node_libraries
[21:39] devaholic: i think it's config info for everyauth
[21:39] denom: Is there a way to vendor it (in rails parlance) so that installed packages go inside my project?
[21:39] devaholic: sessionSecret doesnt matter
[21:39] devaholic: just some random stuff
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[21:39] [diecast]: isaacs: https://gist.github.com/1214802
[21:39] Sense545: actually, sessionSecreti see..
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[21:39] Sense545: * isee
[21:40] Sense545: well in that case, i think i'm good to go..
[21:40] Sense545: thanks!
[21:40] Lemon|mbp: I have a very long string that contains a bunch of uuid's separated by a new line character
[21:40] Lemon|mbp: is there a way to split this up with a callback function?
[21:40] Lemon|mbp: so process every uuid within that callback function
[21:40] [diecast]: isaacs: https://gist.github.com/1215245
[21:41] [diecast]: ^^ this one includes both an npm network install and local install from git clone
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[21:41] denom: Am I doing it wrong? :) https://gist.github.com/d30f7f3f6ecccefd0ac6
[21:41] TheJH: [diecast], your node version is too new for connect. try the stable node version
[21:41] [diecast]: that's what i thought
[21:42] chapel: Lemon|mbp: I believe this might be of help https://github.com/pkrumins/node-lazy
[21:42] isaacs: [diecast]: Run this: npm view express engines -s
[21:42] isaacs: [diecast]: express does not work with node 0.5
[21:42] maxogden: "Required: {"node":">= 0.4.1 < 0.5.0"}"
[21:42] [diecast]: { node: '>= 0.4.1 < 0.5.0' }
[21:42] maxogden: required as in required, not required as in sometimes required
[21:42] isaacs: [diecast]: i'm sure tjholowaychuk would love patches, but you're gonna have to use 0.4.11 for now
[21:42] isaacs: [diecast]: that is, express actually doesn't work with node 0.5
[21:42] devaholic: denom: looks like you are inadvertantly chaining your calls?
[21:43] Sense545: Lemon|mbp: Something like this?: function(input, callback) { var i, a = input.split('\n'); for(i = 0; i < a.length; i++) { callback(a[i]); } }
[21:43] tjholowaychuk: [diecast] it was meant to "prevent" tons of questions about my libs breaking with unstable releases
[21:43] tjholowaychuk: and now i get lots of questions about that
[21:43] tjholowaychuk: haha
[21:43] tjholowaychuk: :)
[21:43] TheJH: :D
[21:43] [diecast]: =P
[21:43] Lemon|mbp: hmm yeah i guess i could do it like that
[21:43] tjholowaychuk: but yeah it's a "may or may not work" type of deal
[21:43] isaacs: tjholowaychuk: you're clearly doing the right thing there, i think.
[21:43] [diecast]: ok, so im going to havee to redo my installation method
[21:43] isaacs: tjholowaychuk: but you should relaly look into what's preventing 0.5 support.
[21:43] isaacs: 0.4 is getting kind of crusty.
[21:43] isaacs: 0.5 is starting to look pretty nice.
[21:43] tjholowaychuk: yeah i definitely will when i have a minute
[21:44] [diecast]: though what DOES work with 0.5.x
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[21:44] [diecast]: because i've tried other items to conquer this issue and it seems im limited
[21:44] denom: devaholic, a deficiency in the CLI?
[21:44] [diecast]: i suppose 0.4 is the way for now
[21:44] devaholic: or perhaps in your writing
[21:44] devaholic: not a friend of semi colons?
[21:45] denom: ah h crap, the semicolon!
[21:45] denom: dammit
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[21:45] denom: nope still not working..
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[21:47] denom: updated the gist, https://gist.github.com/d30f7f3f6ecccefd0ac6  even with semicolons, it must be reassigning the `_` var?
[21:47] devaholic: oh, dunno
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[21:48] denom: Am I using the require function correctly?
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[21:48] devaholic: yeah
[21:48] AvianFlu: semicolons very rarely actually make a difference
[21:48] devaholic: it might be an issue with how underscore works in the repl
[21:49] devaholic: i dont really use it there very much
[21:49] TheJH: !npm owner underscore
[21:49] jhbot: owners: documentcloud <jeremy@documentcloud.org>, jashkenas <jashkenas@gmail.com>
[21:49] devaholic: if you require underscore again, all is well
[21:49] denom: I just needed a `range` function..
[21:49] denom: kind of lame,..
[21:49] devaholic: well it works fine
[21:50] devaholic: _.range is fine
[21:50] devaholic: just apparently not in the repl
[21:50] denom: If I assign, like: `var blah = _.range(0,4);` I can call it as many times as I want..
[21:50] denom: (in the repl)
[21:50] denom: weird...
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[21:51] devaholic: after you do the range(0,4); type _
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[21:51] jashkenas_work: hit me.
[21:52] Lemon|mbp: is child_process.exec(command, [options], callback)'s stdout buffer limited in size?
[21:52] fson: denom: you probably need to call it something else than _: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5691901/using-the-underscore-module-with-node-js
[21:52] Lemon|mbp: the contents of stdout is unreliable
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[21:53] TheJH: jashkenas_work, <denom> updated the gist, https://gist.github.com/d30f7f3f6ecccefd0ac6  even with semicolons, it must be reassigning the `_` var?
[21:53] AvianFlu: Lemon|mbp, default is like 200k I think
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[21:53] Lemon|mbp: 200k what?
[21:53] Lemon|mbp: bytes?
[21:53] AvianFlu: yeah, 200kb
[21:53] AvianFlu: it's in the docs
[21:53] AvianFlu: and I think it's an option
[21:53] chapel: devaholic: looks like doing just _.range() is causing _ to become the array
[21:53] Lemon|mbp: yeah i'm way over that
[21:53] denom: fson, interesting, the underscore must be used in node repl...some kind of placeholder?
[21:53] AvianFlu: I'm pretty sure you can set it, Lemon|mbp 
[21:53] tjholowaychuk: _ foo is a special ident
[21:53] Lemon|mbp: or is there a better way to handle it?
[21:53] tjholowaychuk: in the repl
[21:53] jashkenas_work: yes, the Node.js REPL uses the _ variable.
[21:53] Lemon|mbp: the shell command returns outputs
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[21:53] Lemon|mbp: line by line
[21:54] jashkenas_work: you have to name it something else to use it in the REPL.
[21:54] chapel: hmm, its repl
[21:54] devaholic: yarr
[21:54] AvianFlu: Lemon|mbp, use child_process.spawn, and set up a 'data' listener on stdout
[21:54] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03AD7six: output a warning if attempting to stringify something that is dropped - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1691
[21:54] Lemon|mbp: ah ok cool thanks
[21:54] AvianFlu: that way you get it chunk by chunk regardless
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[21:55] DetroitMC: I have a confession to make.
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[21:55] DetroitMC: Writing production code node.js makes me very excited.
[21:56] DetroitMC: So excited I want Madonna to come down to my pad in the Lower East Side right now, rip my clothes off, scratch and bite me with her sharp teeth, rip my hair out, and then fuck me.
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[21:57] denom: DetroitMC, religious ecstasy?
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[21:57] DetroitMC: denom: I want Madonna to Dominate me.
[21:58] TheJH: wasn't this channel intended to be family-safe or so?
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[21:59] [diecast]: isn't madonna like 5yrsold
[21:59] [diecast]: *55 even
[22:00] Nexxy: DetroitMC, yeah uhm... inappropriate
[22:00] Nexxy: this is a development channel
[22:00] Nexxy: what is wrong with you?
[22:01] DetroitMC: I love her.
[22:01] DetroitMC: Sorry Nexxy, node.js makes me excited
[22:01] TheJH: well, good night, guys
[22:01] CarterL: shudder
[22:01] Nexxy: you need to learn discretion
[22:01] Nexxy: stat
[22:01] kloeri: DetroitMC: stop that nonsense unless you want to leave the network
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[22:02] DetroitMC: Yes sir.
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[22:05] isaacs: Nexxy++
[22:05] v8bot_:  isaacs has given a beer to Nexxy. Nexxy now has 8 beers.
[22:05] isaacs: kloeri++
[22:05] v8bot_:  isaacs has given a beer to kloeri. kloeri now has 1 beers.
[22:05] godzirra: lol
[22:05] Nexxy: lol isaacs thanks ^-^
[22:05] kloeri: yay beer :)
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[22:06] isaacs: you don't have to be family friendly in here, per se.  radical politics, unsavory language, cursing out web browsers, etc., totally fine.
[22:07] isaacs: just take sexual fantasies to another channel.  i hear there are places on the internet dedicated exclusively to that sort of thing.
[22:07] chapel: haha isaacs
[22:07] chapel: well and it has no place here
[22:07] chapel: its one thing to be offtopic in a tech related topic
[22:07] chapel: but somethings are just not needed
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[22:09] Vertice: isaacs: places on the internet ?
[22:09] Vertice: are you trying to master the art of the understatement ?
[22:10] isaacs: i thought i already had.
[22:10] isaacs: ;)
[22:10] Nexxy: or have you?
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[22:10] Nexxy: 
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[22:12] HektoR: hello guys... how can i extend two objects in node.js ?
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[22:14] codely: is there a done with express? like function(req, res, next, done) ?
[22:14] denom: am I right to understand that `require` can only import on object into the local namespace?
[22:14] tjholowaychuk: codely just next9)
[22:14] tjholowaychuk: next()
[22:15] codely: ok
[22:15] codely: thx
[22:15] HektoR: no one can help me ?
[22:15] DrMcKay: HektoR: util.inherits?
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[22:15] DrMcKay: !doc link util#inherits
[22:15] dmkbot: http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/util.html#util.inherits
[22:16] denom: HektoR, extending objects in javascript is a little tricky
[22:16] Lemon|mbp: how can i get "this" be the instance of the object where i defined my callback function?
[22:16] denom: ahh, there you go
[22:16] Nexxy: omg DrMcKay I liek that cmd
[22:16] tjholowaychuk: Lemon|mbp bind()
[22:16] Lemon|mbp: hmm i tried that
[22:16] tjholowaychuk: Lemon|mbp setTimeout(foo.bar.bind(foo), 100)
[22:16] tjholowaychuk: etc
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[22:16] DrMcKay: Nexxy: ;)
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[22:17] Lemon|mbp: so someObject.on('foo', function(param) {console.log('bar');}.bind(this));?
[22:18] Lemon|mbp: got it working how you say it
[22:18] Lemon|mbp: can i do it with any mouse functions?
[22:18] Lemon|mbp: anonymous
[22:18] Lemon|mbp: damn autocorrect :p
[22:18] tjholowaychuk: ahahaha
[22:18] tjholowaychuk: any function
[22:19] tjholowaychuk: bind() is just a closure trick to basically do fn.apply(whatever, args)
[22:19] softdrink: where's that creationix kid when you need him
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[22:20] AvianFlu: lol softdrink, he's not a kid
[22:20] softdrink: i know, i was being silly
[22:20] AvianFlu: you should ask the question anyway, other people may know
[22:21] AvianFlu: or maybe not XD
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[22:21] softdrink: nah, i was going to bug him about an nvm feature
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[22:27] denom: Does anyone know how to make npm install dependencies into my project's `node_modules` dir?
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[22:27] isaacs: denom: `npm install`
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[22:27] isaacs: denom: are you using npm 1.0 or higher?
[22:27] isaacs: denom: `npm -v`
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[22:28] denom: crap! I'm using 0.2.19 from debian..
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[22:28] denom: can I upgrade npm with npm?
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[22:28] denom: lets see...
[22:28] isaacs: ircretary: inst denom for me.
[22:28] ircretary: denom: `curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sh` (or, if there are permission issues, you can try: `curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sudo sh`)
[22:28] jhbot: ircretary, piping stuff from http into a shell is... well... not *such* a good idea
[22:28] ircretary: jhbot: I'm not sure what to do with that command.  Ask for help in PM.
[22:28] blazento: how do i install node version 0.4.11? express is telling me it won't work on 0.5
[22:28] isaacs: ircretary: thanks
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[22:28] isaacs: jhbot: you're such a stick in the mud
[22:28] DrMcKay: lol
[22:29] isaacs: denom: probably wanna uninstall the debian one first.
[22:29] isaacs: denom: npm 1.0 will clean up *everything* it can find that old-npm installed.
[22:29] blazento: and if i install version 0.4.11, is there some way to switch between versions? im on ubuntu if that helps
[22:30] isaacs: blazento: i recommend using something like nave, n, or nvm
[22:30] isaacs: blazento: nave use 0.4.11 # blazow! yor'e in 0.4.11 until you "exit"
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[22:31] DrMcKay: is there a library for making strings more URL-friendly? I mean things like: 'some file' => 'some-file'
[22:31] blazento: so you use nave isaacs ?
[22:32] isaacs: blazento: yep.  i wrote it.
[22:32] isaacs: :)
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[22:33] blazento: cool. trying it out
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[22:34] blazento: oh wow this is exactly what i was looking for :)
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[22:37] Tobbe_: how would I htmlencode something before rendering it on my page? I'm using express+jade
[22:37] denom: man npm really insists that you automatically run sh scripts off the internet..
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[22:37] isaacs: denom: consider what npm is...
[22:37] isaacs: denom: you can download the script and run it locally after reading through it if you like.
[22:37] isaacs: all the source is open
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[22:38] denom: isaacs, it's strange though. I tried `npm install npm` and It gave me an error :/
[22:38] isaacs: denom: the curl | sh is just a shorthand for "download this script and run it, if you want a one line install"
[22:39] isaacs: denom: you can also check out the source and run `make install` in it
[22:39] isaacs: denom: i recommend not running on master, though.  you can check out a tag.
[22:39] isaacs: denom: or you can download the tarball, crack it open, cd into it, and run `make install` in there.
[22:39] isaacs: denom: or you can take it and put it soemwhere, and run `node cli.js some npm command` in that folder.
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[22:40] denom: ahh isaacs, thanks for the help, suggestions. I complain, but I definately appreciate the code
[22:41] isaacs: np
[22:41] isaacs: denom: that goes for any "one liner" installs.
[22:41] isaacs: denom: brew has a similar thing.  so does pear, and pip
[22:41] isaacs: denom: you should probably read them.  people don't.  whatever.  that's the world we live in.
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[22:42] denom: yes, and all of them somehow encapsulate the strange notion of downloading code off the internet and running it
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[22:42] denom: which is what we all do
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[22:50] apoc: I want to use jade in the browser, how do I get the js code from jade.compile()?
[22:50] tjholowaychuk: apoc few different ways you can use it in the browser
[22:51] tjholowaychuk: I prefer to just toString() the compiled function
[22:51] tjholowaychuk: and use that
[22:51] tjholowaychuk: it's faster, lighter
[22:51] apoc: oh yep that works thanks
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[22:53] wibby: something i don't get about npm: where should i install the packages?
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[22:56] technoweenie: wibby: by default it installs them to a node_modules directory inside your current dir
[22:56] technoweenie: so each of your node projects has its own separate npm dependencies
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[22:56] wibby: doesn't it make sense to have them installed somewehre globally?
[22:56] tjholowaychuk: no
[22:57] tjholowaychuk: global installs of anything pretty much just suc
[22:57] wibby: why not?
[22:57] tjholowaychuk: suck*
[22:57] davidbanham: wibby: You can install them globally if you like, but it's neater to have a local installation for each app. That way you can keep different versions, etc.
[22:57] wibby: ok
[22:57] CraigMaslowski: check out the faq. it talks about global installs. https://github.com/isaacs/npm/blob/master/doc/faq.md 
[22:57] wibby: ok thanks
[22:58] CraigMaslowski: and why not to do them
[22:58] wibby: another thing
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[22:58] cronopio: Hi!!
[22:59] wibby: where should i install node-mongodb-native driver? at the moment it's sitting in my home dir
[22:59] davidbanham: Oooh, tjholowaychuk! Was waiting to see you in here. I want to use Jade to compile from the command line, using static includes. It tells me I need to set the filename option but I have no idea where to do that and it doesn't seem to be documented. Can you please point me in the right direction.
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[22:59] CraigMaslowski: same deal install to the folder where you code lives.
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[22:59] codely: I think i've asked before? any idea on when all the goodness of 0.5.x is going to be stable?
[22:59] tjholowaychuk: davidbanham i dont think you can specify it via the cli right now unless you do $ jade myfile.jade
[22:59] cronopio: which module should I use to connect to a remote WebSocket??
[22:59] felixge: codely: when it's done ; )
[22:59] tjholowaychuk: not positive if i set it
[23:00] tjholowaychuk: davidbanham I prefer stdio for stuff like that but yeah we need to know the file's path to resolve includes
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[23:00] davidbanham: tjholowaychuk: That doesn't work either. I've tried using the makefile example on github and through specifying the filename directly. Do I maybe need to give it the absolute path to the file?
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[23:00] tjholowaychuk: davidbanham maybe im not passing it, one sec
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[23:01] denom: are most people using the 5.x branch?
[23:01] codely: well. people say when it's ready but ...
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[23:01] davidbanham: denom: Nope. Personally I'm waiting for the stable 6.x branch.
[23:02] denom: question, is there a good pattern to run init code when you create a new object?
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[23:03] denom: I can extend objects pretty easily with underscore and by hand, but the initialization always gets me..
[23:03] tjholowaychuk: constructors?
[23:03] Nexxy: I want destructors!
[23:03] denom: ahh, write my own constructor function for each class, and then at the point of instantiation, call that constructor?
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[23:04] denom: var o = new Obj; o.init(); ?
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[23:05] tjholowaychuk: denom new Foo
[23:05] tjholowaychuk: is the constructor
[23:05] davidbanham: tjholowaychuk: This is the behaviour I'm seeing. Happy to be told I'm doing it wrong, but I'm totally stumped. https://gist.github.com/1215435
[23:05] tjholowaychuk: function Foo(){ stuff here }
[23:05] tjholowaychuk: davidbanham no it's not being set
[23:05] tjholowaychuk: im fixing it
[23:06] davidbanham: tjholowaychuk: Champion, thankyou. Let me know if there's anything I can assist with.
[23:06] tjholowaychuk: i wont be able to release for a day or two but you can merge the patches over if you want
[23:06] denom: tjholowaychuk, ahh, I see. I'm using the var Foo =  {} as my object and then using underscore to extend that
[23:06] tjholowaychuk: denom ah.. yeah dont do that
[23:06] denom: you are suggesting that I use a var foo = function(){} as the object
[23:07] tjholowaychuk: constructors are kinda lame but v8 is optimized for all this stuff
[23:07] denom: tjholowaychuk, how come?
[23:07] denom: how can I extend the constructor in my child class?
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[23:07] denom: that is my big problem 
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[23:07] davidbanham: tjholowaychuk: Thanks it would really help me out. I've got this nightmare of static HTML from a designer that I'll turn into an Express app this month, but need to get something launched this week. Should I just keep an eye out for a github commit?
[23:08] tjholowaychuk: yup it'll be just one minute
[23:08] davidbanham: No stress, thanks again.
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[23:09] tjholowaychuk: k that's up just need another one passing filenames
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[23:11] eldios: g'night!
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[23:11] halcyon918: hey folks, I'm using "child_process" with "fork" to run another Node.JS file... A is the parent process... B is the child... when A calls b.send(...) and I inspect "this" from B's process.on('message', ...) it says "this" equates to A.  I would expect it to be B.  It's the same for when B calls process.send(...), then A's event handler see's "this" as being B.  That doesn't seem right to me, but maybe I'm just not thinking about this proper
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[23:12] halcyon918: maybe there's some other way to get A and B to see "this" respective to themselves in the event handler functions?
[23:13] AvianFlu: A.method.call(B, arg1, arg2, etc)
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[23:13] AvianFlu: the first argument to Function.prototype.call is the object context
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[23:13] halcyon918: ok, let me try it that way
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[23:15] davidbanham: tjholowaychuk: Confirmed that patch works for me. Thanks again, really appreciate it.
[23:15] tjholowaychuk: np
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[23:19] halcyon918: AvianFlu: the only problem I have is that since these calls come from A (parent process) to B (child process) and back again, B doesn't have a reference to A to call Function.prototype.call(A, ...)
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[23:20] AvianFlu: oh yeah
[23:20] AvianFlu: I mean, dnode?
[23:20] Nexxy: lol
[23:20] AvianFlu: I haven't really used cp.fork yet, sorry
[23:20] AvianFlu: I answered you before I thought about that aspect
[23:20] halcyon918: heh
[23:21] halcyon918: np
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[23:23] codely: anyone have any links/names to some os x terminal colors/themes?
[23:23] Dmitrijus: codely: solarized?
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[23:26] codely: ohhhh Dmitrijus niceeee
[23:26] codely: thanks!
[23:27] Dmitrijus: codely: np :)
[23:28] codely: have you ever had osx terminal not display colors? i.e., i install the theme ( i tried this with another theme 'lion') and just get the front text color and background?
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[23:29] Dmitrijus: codely: well, i remember not having any problems with terminal.app
[23:30] RyanW: Use iTerm2
[23:30] Dmitrijus: codely: but i also switched mah macbook to linux a few months ago, and well, it was, THE BEST THING I DID EVAR ;]
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[23:31] Dmitrijus: RyanW: i have used iterm2, it is quite awesome
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[23:33] codely: Dmitrijus: what font do you use? I love the colors now that i fixed my exports
[23:33] codely: checking out iterm2 now
[23:34] Dmitrijus: codely: i generally use dejavu sans mono
[23:35] Dmitrijus: codely: but that is mostly due to my political views
[23:35] codely: hah
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[23:45] halcyon918: does anyone know if for "fork" setting the "setsid" option to true should result in a separate PID for the child process?
[23:46] Marak: http://blog.nodejitsu.com/hookio-video-tutorials
[23:46] tjholowaychuk: halcyon918 new session
[23:46] tjholowaychuk: the children have different pids already
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[23:47] micheil: hmm, no longer a bastard Marak?
[23:47] Marak: micheil: whats up?
[23:47] halcyon918: tjholowaychuk: I'm not sure what the difference is with regard to "new session", but fork (from what I can tell) isn't starting a new process (it's under the same PID as the parent process)
[23:47] micheil: Marak: erm, was making reference to the nick change.
[23:48] tjholowaychuk: halcyon918 you're probably confusing the pid with the pgid
[23:48] Marak: micheil: sorry i misread growl, it looked like you said broken link, i panicd
[23:48] tjholowaychuk: (maybe)
[23:48] halcyon918: tjholowaychuk: possibly.... when I look at the PID in process.pid for both child and parent, they are the same
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[23:49] halcyon918: it's strange that calling child.send(...) results in the event handler in the child having the context of the parent ("this" references the parent)... not what I would've expected
[23:49] tjholowaychuk: hm :s
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[23:50] tjholowaychuk: i haven't used the new fork()
[23:50] CIA-54: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * rd70c760 10/ src/unix/stream.c : unix: fix write queue double init - http://git.io/j6Aylw
[23:50] CIA-54: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r21936eb 10/ src/unix/stream.c : unix: remove unnecessary variable - http://git.io/jhai2g
[23:50] CIA-54: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r066dc6b 10/ src/unix/stream.c : unix: fix argument check / write request init order - http://git.io/pgZ-ww
[23:50] tjholowaychuk: but i assume it's just doing the regular stuff, and you'd actually get children lol
[23:50] tjholowaychuk: unless perhaps you're on windows then i have no clue
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[23:50] halcyon918: mac os x
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