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[00:11] jn: this works well http://pb.lericson.se/p/kUXAWv/
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[00:19] loot: hello, im looking for opinons from node.js community on, CoffeScript / Eich's Harmony proposals esp. -> to replace function. This is for a blog post im working on over at andrewluetgers.com
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[00:31] jn: 'function(){'.length > '->'.length
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[00:31] jn: nuf said
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[00:38] creationix: 
ACTION hates compilers

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[00:39] creationix: does anybody know how to staticly link in gcc
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[00:44] SubStack: creationix: -static ?
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[00:44] creationix: I've got ${CC} -static -o repl repl.c -I${LUADIR}/src -L${LUADIR}/src -lluajit -o statically_linked
[00:45] creationix: but it's spewing all sorts of link errors
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[00:45] creationix: lots of "undefined reference"
[00:45] creationix: I'll bet I'm just missing some -l flags
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[00:47] creationix: ahh, yes, added -lm and -ldl and it got rid of most of them
[00:47] creationix: I'm so used to node's node-waf making that not needed
[00:47] creationix: for addons
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[00:47] creationix: 
ACTION goes to bug the #lua room instead of spamming nodejs

[00:49] pquerna: creationix: hmm?
[00:50] CIA-30: node: 03Fedor Indutny 07master * rb942c63 10/ src/node_script.cc : 
[00:50] CIA-30: node: Remove obsolete 'using v8::Null'
[00:50] CIA-30: node: Fixes #1680. - http://git.io/EzL9UQ
[00:50] CIA-30: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r67cc5c9 10/ (lib/_debugger.js lib/readline.js lib/repl.js): 
[00:50] CIA-30: node: Merge remote branch 'indutny/feature-debugger'
[00:50] CIA-30: node: Fixes #1667 - http://git.io/7N-zPQ
[00:50] dmkbot1: joyent/node: 03indutny: High-level debugger API - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1667
[00:50] creationix: pquerna: just playing around with binding libuv to luajit
[00:51] creationix: pquerna: but as normally happens, make and gcc kick my butt
[00:52] pquerna: creationix: ah;  well, lua and luajit should have the same link requirements....
[00:52] creationix: hmm, so maybe -llua and not -lluajit?
[00:53] pquerna: well, depends on what you want.....
[00:53] creationix: I'm not sure what I want
[00:53] pquerna: luajit is link comptaible with lua
[00:53] pquerna: k
[00:53] creationix: how does node do it?
[00:54] creationix: I want to be able to dlopen addons later, but staticly embed luajit into my binary
[00:54] pquerna: 'dl', 'pthread'
[00:54] pquerna: is what I link for lua... 
[00:54] pquerna: right
[00:54] pquerna: so
[00:54] pquerna: you don't want -static
[00:54] pquerna: is it a libluajit.a ?
[00:54] pquerna: if there is only a static archive available
[00:54] pquerna: the linker does the 'right' thing
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[00:55] creationix: "warning: Using 'dlopen' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking"
[00:55] dmkbot1: joyent/node: 03virmundi: Windows 7 exec process leak - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1682
[00:55] creationix: is that a bad warning?
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[00:55] pquerna: yeah
[00:56] pquerna: don't use -static :)
[00:56] creationix: then how do I bundle the vm in my binary?
[00:56] pquerna: so, just only have a .a file available
[00:56] pquerna: and it'll static link it in
[00:57] creationix: ahh, so leave off the "-static" flag
[00:57] pquerna: yeah
[00:57] creationix: cool, no warning!
[00:57] creationix: thanks
[00:58] pquerna: https://gist.github.com/44bb2f11029c53fbbff7
[00:58] pquerna: hmm
[00:58] pquerna: i dunno
[00:58] pquerna: i have a bunch of scons stuff
[00:58] pquerna: for compiling lua statically
[00:58] creationix: pquerna: https://github.com/creationix/luanode/blob/master/Makefile
[00:58] pquerna: but not into node... so not that helpful i guess :)
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[01:00] pquerna: creationix: hm
[01:00] creationix: so that's the straight luajit tarball and I'm using it's own makefile
[01:00] creationix: seems to be working fine
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[01:01] creationix: and it even passes -j flags through
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[01:01] JdBound: hello all, I am getting an error in cygwin,   syntax error: Unexpected token, ILLEGAL   can anyone help   im trying to test a javascript file
[01:02] pquerna: creationix: yeah... luajit's compile looks a little more compilcated :)
[01:02] pquerna: creationix: lua lua, you can just damn near cat *.c into one file and compile it :)
[01:02] creationix: he recommends to not try to embed the files yourself, but just use his makefile
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[01:10] pquerna: creationix: are you focusing on brdiging lua <-> node, or more lua <-> libuv?
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[01:30] dmkbot1: joyent/node: 03avz: Fix memory consumption in excess of options.maxBuffer in child_process.exec() - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1511
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[01:35] dmkbot1: joyent/node: 03virmundi: Windows 7 exec process leak - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1682
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[01:46] CIA-30: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r0f21104 10/ (9 files in 5 dirs): Upgrade libuv to efa1b54 - http://git.io/bebIXg
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[01:54] indexzero: ryah: yt?
[01:54] CIA-30: node: 03Bert Belder 07master * r10e7c52 10/ test/simple/test-cli-eval.js : win: make test-cli-eval.js pass - http://git.io/cq-uHw
[01:54] CIA-30: node: 03Bert Belder 07master * r55c1546 10/ deps/uv/src/win/getaddrinfo.c : Un-break the windows build - http://git.io/uM-jhQ
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[02:09] gregr: Is there any libraries for handling distributed task queues with node?
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[02:12] jmoyers: gregr https://github.com/technoweenie/coffee-resque type of thing?
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[02:14] gregr: jmoyers: maybe, let me take a look
[02:15] gregr: hmm requires redis
[02:15] gregr: thats exactly what im looking for minus the redis
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[02:17] ryah: indexzero: yo
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[02:20] JakeyChan: hi
[02:20] JakeyChan: what's technique name of url like that "http://url.org/#/path"
[02:21] JakeyChan: I am wonder :D
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[02:24] der|: To the gurus out there, do you think using UUIDs as SessionIDs is viable ?
[02:26] pquerna: der|: no, its a very very bad idea
[02:26] der|: I'm not quite clear on the probabilities of a duplicate
[02:26] der|: pquerna: yeah, I'm orbiting around that conclusion, they're quite big
[02:26] creationix: pquerna: lua <-> libuv, I don't plan on interfacing with node within the process
[02:26] pquerna: its not about duplication;  its about an attacker being able to predict a UUID, and therefore hijack a session
[02:26] pquerna: if you know the timestamp of when someone logged in
[02:27] der|: what if you use some sort of algorithm to return a random hash based on the user agent ?
[02:27] pquerna: their UUID, if its a type 1 or such, is actually in a quite small range
[02:27] pquerna: no
[02:27] pquerna: just make a 64 character random string
[02:27] der|: ah ok
[02:27] der|: 2 md5's maybe ?
[02:27] pquerna: ignoring the fact that you don't have secure random number generator available to you
[02:27] pquerna: no
[02:27] der|: or just a 64 byte string
[02:27] pquerna: the best thing probally
[02:28] pquerna: is to read /dev/urandom
[02:28] pquerna: and generate 64 chars from there
[02:28] creationix: assuming you had a good random number generator, it's easy to just generate enough bytes
[02:28] pquerna: right
[02:28] pquerna: the problem is
[02:28] pquerna: math.random isn't... that.
[02:28] der|: what's the lowest level of second precision node provides
[02:28] der|: microseconds ?
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[02:29] creationix: what's the diff between /dev/random and /dev/urandom other than /dev/urandom spits out data a lot faster
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[02:29] pquerna: /dev/random is actually secure
[02:29] pquerna: /dev/urandom hashes over your available entropy, so it never 'runs out'
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[02:30] pquerna: but its not actually using up entropy
[02:30] pquerna: so its... 'non blcoking' -ish
[02:30] stonecobra: derj: answer is platform dependent
[02:30] pquerna: /dev/random on the hand, will just plain drop
[02:30] pquerna: *block
[02:30] pquerna: if you are out of entropy
[02:30] pquerna: but, its splitting hairs
[02:30] pquerna: for a session id
[02:30] pquerna: i'd use /dev/urandom
[02:30] pquerna: at least if i'm not a bank
[02:31] der|: I haven't used /dev/urandom before, I made the big mistake to cat it heh, had to close the term (osx)
[02:31] stonecobra: if you need microsecond precision, 'npm install microtime' and then require('microtime').now() for microsecond precision
[02:31] pquerna: well, I mean, you could just do what connect does
[02:31] der|: what's that
[02:31] der|: stonecobra: thanks for that :)
[02:32] stonecobra: derj: no problem
[02:32] stonecobra: s/j/|/g
[02:32] pquerna: https://github.com/senchalabs/connect/blob/master/lib/middleware/session.js#L232
[02:33] pquerna: its... actually ba.
[02:33] pquerna: d
[02:33] pquerna: anyways.
[02:33] pquerna: well, not tht bad
[02:33] der|: thanks for that
[02:33] pquerna: assuming your secret is good
[02:34] pquerna: just make your secret another large, completely random, string
[02:34] der|: 64 bytes would suffice too ?
[02:34] der|: for performance reasons I mean, it might get computationally intensive
[02:34] pquerna: sure
[02:34] pquerna: not really
[02:34] pquerna: the internet is slow, cpus are fast
[02:34] der|: true
[02:35] pquerna: plus, one round of a sha256 is such complete noise compared to the rest of TLS :)
[02:35] der|: heh
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[02:37] pquerna: we should bind to rand_bytes from openssl.
[02:37] pquerna: if anyone is bored ^^ :)
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[02:45] djmccormick: newbie question: i'm using node/express/ejs -- my layout file is rendered properly but my index file is converted to html entities and i'm not sure why. just doing a res.render('index', { data: 'yup' });
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[02:47] der|: djmccormick: I think ejs escapes by default, 
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[03:44] indexzero: ryah: Sorry got sidetracked for a bit. Do you know anything about this? https://github.com/nodejitsu/node-http-proxy/issues/97#issuecomment-2062382
[03:45] indexzero: ryah: seems like a bug in http-parser lib
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[03:50] creationix: so if I wanted to write a c program that used libuv to listen on a socket, where would I find sample code?
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[03:52] jmoyers: creationix have you ever watched ryah's screencast on building a simple http server?
[03:53] creationix: no, that's probably a good start
[03:53] jmoyers: http://vimeo.com/24713213
[03:53] jmoyers: don't know how much the api has changed since then
[03:53] jmoyers: but i imagine its still a good place to start
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[04:04] deedubs: is there a way to read out what has been written to a http ServerReponse?
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[04:13] jamescarr: damn
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[04:29] jamescarr: thoughts on adding to Object prototype?
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[04:36] creationix: jamescarr: do it!
[04:36] jamescarr: just trying to think if it is clean or not to add a BDD style like: x.should.equal(3)
[04:38] creationix: it's fine for test scripts
[04:38] creationix: in fact, it's fine for any code that other people aren't reusing
[04:38] jamescarr: ah thats true... so in this case, it's fine since it is for tests
[04:39] jamescarr: vs. production code
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[04:42] creationix: even production code is fine
[04:42] creationix: just not in code that other people then reuse and don't realize you changed builtins
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[04:44] SubStack: monkey punching and reuse do not mix well!
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[04:49] creationix: ryah: I'm trying to run your libuv http server example and it looks like the uv API has changed a bit since then, are there any docs other than the header file?
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[04:49] AAA_awright: jamescarr: Never needed to do it, if you need to, you're doing it wrong
[04:49] AAA_awright: jamescarr: Add to Object, not Object.prototype
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[04:51] creationix: AAA_awright: there is nothing wrong with OOP style assertions, it's just another style
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[04:51] creationix: and you need to mess with prototypes to use existing objects in new ways 
[04:52] creationix: but yes, what substack said, it's only good for a small set of use cases
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[04:54] SubStack: yet somehow ruby manages with ferocious levels of monkey patching
[04:54] SubStack: somehow!
[04:54] brainproxy: spider monkeys .. make all the difference
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[04:59] jhurliman: anyone going to sf music tech conference on monday?
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[05:00] creationix: well, ruby also has mixins
[05:00] creationix: which are language supported monkey patches
[05:00] creationix: it's par for the course
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[05:25] tjgillies: would it be valid to call node a fork of v8?
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[05:26] creationix: tjgillies: no
[05:27] creationix: tjgillies: is uses v8 pretty much unmodified
[05:27] creationix: just adds system libraries to it
[05:27] creationix: node is a v8 powered platform
[05:27] tjgillies: what is the best name to call node? a library?
[05:27] tjgillies: platform?
[05:27] jhurliman: a runtime
[05:27] creationix: runtime too
[05:28] creationix: loosly interpreter 
[05:28] creationix: though v8 actually mostly JITs
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[05:28] tjgillies: thnx
[05:29] creationix: ahh, this libuv code I'm trying to run is 3 months old
[05:29] creationix: no wonder it doesn't seem to work
[05:29] creationix: that's ages in uv time
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[05:30] creationix: anyone online who's currently working with libuv?
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[05:31] chjj: creationix: why not node.lua?
[05:31] creationix: chjj: dunno, luanode rolls of the tongue better
[05:31] creationix: though the name is already taken too
[05:31] chjj: ah
[05:32] chjj: well, i hope it goes well, ive always thought a lua version of node would be amazing
[05:32] creationix: well, don't know if I'll get to amazing, but it will be  a fun experiment
[05:32] chjj: :)
[05:32] brainproxy: creationix: how do your goals for it differ from the scope of the LuaNode project
[05:32] creationix: I've got 14 lines of c code and 26 lines of makefile and it's still not working
[05:33] chjj: haha, its gotta start somewhere
[05:33] creationix: brainproxy: my main goal is to learn
[05:33] creationix: if it's useful to others that's a nice side effect
[05:33] tjgillies: i just pushed telemail, telehash based messaging lib: https://github.com/tjgillies/telemail/blob/master/sendmail.js http://telehash.org
[05:33] creationix: also the existing luanode is using some crazy C++ library
[05:33] creationix: I'd rather use libuv 
[05:34] creationix: Boost.asio or something like that
[05:34] creationix: I was never a fan of anything Boost
[05:34] brainproxy: gotcha, just curious; Lua seems like an interesting language; I read a paper about a functional reactive library called LuaGravity, which helped me understand the concepts as they would relate to Javascript too
[05:35] brainproxy: but I never went any farther than to just learn some syntax so I could read the paper
[05:35] creationix: Also a lua based node would appeal less to web developers and more to game developers which is where I've been taking node lately
[05:35] tjgillies: LuaTeX ftw ;)
[05:35] chjj: honestly, i think anyone who appreciates javascript would definitely appreciate lua
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[05:35] tjgillies: plus lua is tail call optimized ;)
[05:35] brainproxy: creationix: might also appeal to embedded Lua hackers
[05:35] chjj: haha
[05:36] brainproxy: there's a thing called eLUa
[05:36] brainproxy: eLua
[05:36] chjj: yeah, lua is partially javascript minus the bad parts
[05:36] brainproxy: which is like lua for arduino scale things
[05:36] creationix: heh, I'm supposed to get an arduino kit for winning innovation for nko
[05:36] brainproxy: http://www.eluaproject.net/
[05:36] creationix: one of my use cases is opengl games on webos
[05:37] creationix: brainproxy: nice site
[05:37] brainproxy: "like lua" wasn't a good way to put it .. I mean it's a subset of Lua which is ported specifically to run on embeddable architectures
[05:38] creationix: oh neat
[05:38] creationix: I'll play when that when I get my kit.  Can't hurt with learning lua
[05:39] brainproxy: I'm not sure how much crossover there is between eLua compatible boards and arduino boards
[05:40] brainproxy: but if you can get a node-a-like library running well on an embeddable platform, I think you'll have come up with something very cool indeed
[05:40] creationix: brainproxy: It's not exactly embedded, but I've been playing with node on webos smartphones for the last year
[05:41] creationix: 1.5GHz dual core armv7 with 1Gb of ram is hardly what's considered embedded
[05:41] brainproxy: sure, I've been following your webgl stuff, congrats on the ko win btw
[05:41] creationix: thanks
[05:42] creationix: anyway, back to reading uv.h since there seem to be no other resources
[05:42] creationix: at least it's somewhat commented
[05:43] brainproxy: have fun
[05:43] Nexxy: I just got 3 beagleboards
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[05:43] Nexxy: that I will be putting node on eventually ;3
[05:44] creationix: :)
[05:44] creationix: those are fun
[05:45] creationix: about the same power of my devices
[05:45] Nexxy: creationix, ya! I'm excited
[05:45] creationix: same class at least
[05:45] Nexxy: we were originally going to use pandaboards but they were nowhere to be had
[05:45] Nexxy: waited 2 months trying to get some from mouser & svtronics
[05:45] creationix: if you can get an ubuntu chroot running on the device, it's trivial to build node there
[05:45] creationix: ports.ubuntu.com
[05:45] Nexxy: I'm sure I will come crying for help soon
[05:46] creationix: I wrote up an article on howtonode.org
[05:46] creationix: latest one I think
[05:46] Nexxy: this is my first foray into ARM/embedded 
[05:46] creationix: 
ACTION is not a fan of cross-compiling

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[06:03] sqpat: has anyone ever run into errors with _emitCloseIfDrained being undefined?
[06:04] sqpat: stack trace looks pretty normal, it just seems that the method doesn't exist for this object for whatever reason
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[06:15] markwk: Hey, noob on node.js here: looking for some recent + decent code on implementing a multi-room/channel chatrooms with node.js... can't seem to find anything.... 
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[06:18] sqpat: markwk: take a look at  http://fzysqr.com/2011/02/28/nodechat-js-using-node-js-backbone-js-socket-io-and-redis-to-make-a-real-time-chat-app/ , i havent used it myself but i've come across it searching for other things.
[06:18] markwk: sqpat: thanks
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[06:19] Nuck|Ubuntu: Hello- OH JESUS FUCK
[06:19] Nuck|Ubuntu: 
ACTION just started using irssi

[06:19] Nuck|Ubuntu: And oh dear god that userlist span
[06:19] Nuck|Ubuntu: Did /not/ expect that.
[06:20] markwk: I'm somewhat surprised there isn't an existing opensource app out there for chat... since everyone seems to mention realtime chat and node.js these days
[06:20] smathy: markwk… because it's so trivial to implement from scratch.
[06:21] smathy: ...especially with zappa.
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[06:29] markwk: fair enough
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[06:31] markwk: So the idea is that everyone just rolls their own node.js chat app.... seems somewhat wasteful for open source dev
[06:35] JaKWaC: What kind of chat app do you want markwk?
[06:35] creationix: markwk: it's not wasteful, it's like 5 lines of code after using a library like socket.io
[06:36] creationix: especially if you just want a single large chat room where everyone broadcasts to everyone
[06:37] creationix: every program is unique, the libraries exist to help with the common and hard parts and then user is expected to write the easier and more interesting parts
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[06:40] markwk: I'd like to build an app to do private group chats (integrating all the authentification and permissions from Drupal actually)
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[06:45] cmeiklejohn: Anyone ever have a problem with mongoose where an embedded docuemnt doesn't save?
[06:45] cmeiklejohn: calling thing.attribute.push(doc) and thing.save, and it won't save anything pas the first embedded doc.
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[06:55] AAA_awright: How do I do nested lists with markdown?
[06:56] AAA_awright: Meh maybe the parser just doesn't like them
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[07:10] dmkbot1: joyent/node: 03indutny: Fix repl test - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1683
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[07:14] Gigablah: hi guys, i just installed node 0.4.11 from source on CentOS5 using prefix=/usr, i notice there's an instruction to append $INSTALLDIR/lib/node_modules to NODE_PATH, but that directory wasn't created during installation
[07:14] Gigablah: is this normal?
[07:17] ErikCorryV8_: pquerna: There was a recent 'debunking' of the difference between /dev/random and /dev/urandom on the es-discuss list a few months back.
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[07:18] ErikCorryV8_: Basically saying you shouldn't feel bad about using urandom.
[07:18] ErikCorryV8_: The only reason to use /dev/random was if you don't trust the secure hash that the kernel is using to generate urandom
[07:19] ErikCorryV8_: But if you don't trust cryptographic secure hashes you might as well give up right now, because they are the basis of so much other stuff.
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[07:22] Nuck: I use a custom mersenne twister
[07:22] Nuck: Well, nit custom of it
[07:22] Nuck: Just nondefault algo
[07:22] Nuck: In js
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[07:23] ErikCorryV8_: Nuck: That's fine.
[07:23] ErikCorryV8_: If there are no security issues around the randomness.
[07:23] Nuck: I trust mt a lot more than "unknown algorithm x"
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[07:24] ErikCorryV8_: Don't trust it for crytographic work.
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[07:24] Nuck: I just use multiple random sources for salts
[07:24] Nuck: Mt is one
[07:25] ErikCorryV8_: And don't trust random() in V8 for anything except speed.
[07:25] Nuck: I have uhhhh 4 salts?
[07:25] Nuck: Haha yeah
[07:25] Nuck: I picked mt instead of random
[07:25] Nuck: I have bcrypt for my hashing
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[07:25] Nuck: So I think I'm pretty secure
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[07:25] devrim: hey guys, how do u turn off log4js-node colors ?
[07:25] Nuck: Triple or quadruple salted I don't recall which
[07:26] ErikCorryV8_: Nuck: Do you mean in node or in the browser.
[07:26] ErikCorryV8_: In node I don't see why you wouldn't just use urandom
[07:26] ErikCorryV8_: In the browser it's not easy to do crypto.
[07:26] Nuck: ErikCorryV8_: I'm bcrypting in the server, and mersenne is one of my random sources.
[07:26] ErikCorryV8_: Most of the time the answer is to use https and offload it to the server.
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[07:27] Nuck: I tried to do various salting systems
[07:27] Nuck: I figure the more the merrier haha
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[07:28] Nuck: MT, salted with random.org and me slamming my face into a ni pad
[07:28] Nuck: *Numpad
[07:28] ErikCorryV8_: But it's right there on the Wikipedia on the MT: The algorithm in its native form is not suitable for cryptography
[07:28] Nuck: Try and find my seed NOW
[07:29] Nuck: ErikCorryV8_: Aye, but as one of 4 random salts, it's not gonna make it less secure ;)
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[07:29] ErikCorryV8_: All 3 together -> less secure than just reading from /dev/urandom
[07:29] Nuck: as an ONLY salt, yes
[07:30] Nuck: Meh
[07:30] Nuck: I've got too many salts I ain't adding another
[07:30] Nuck: I'm already overkill on security haha
[07:30] Nuck: 4-salt bcrypt is basically guaranteed to be secure
[07:31] Nuck: Against basically any attack, it's completely infeasible.
[07:32] sqpat: anyone ever use the "memcached" nodejs plugin?
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[07:41] tjgillies: ErikCorryV8_ <- http://diffie.heroku.com in browser easy crypto ;)
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[07:42] ErikCorryV8_: http://www.matasano.com/articles/javascript-cryptography/  <-- most of his points are about client side JS
[07:43] tjgillies: client side crypto security is all in the algorithm
[07:43] tjgillies: with diffie-hellman it doesn't matter if public party knows your primes that you use for generating private key, so you can hard code them into page and they don't need to be random
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[07:56] Marak: pquerna: you alive? i had a random odd question you might know. is there any guarantee the clock times between rackspace cloud instances won't match up exactly? 
[07:56] Marak: or that they will match up rather
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[07:58] japj: hi, anyone know where nodeup episode 4 went? it doesn't seem to exists on nodeup.com
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[08:02] bogdanbiv: japj: Did you try http://nodeup.com/four ?
[08:02] japj: bogdanbiv: did you try to download the mp3 or ogg file?
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[08:05] bogdanbiv: japj: My mistake, sorry. Now I see what you mean.
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[08:06] japj: yeah, somehow the entry that it exists is there, but no data ;(
[08:07] bogdanbiv: I've checked the rss feed from feedburner and there is no node four.
[08:08] bogdanbiv: I guess the entry is there just to tease us.
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[08:09] japj: well, hopefully someone that can fix it will wakeup soon ;)
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[08:22] Skola: http://hpaste.org/51223
[08:22] Skola: how can I construct that query?
[08:22] Skola: I want the KEY (query[0]) to be passed as an argument
[08:23] Skola: it's Coffeescript, warning
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[08:25] Skola: basically I want a variable key?
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[08:27] japj: Skola: does that mean you want to split query into key/value? so query[0] is key and query[1] is value?
[08:28] Skola: ja
[08:28] Skola: because I want to be able to set the key
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[08:28] Skola: using an object would be cool too if it makes a difference
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[08:30] japj: I don't know much about coffeescript, but would http://hpaste.org/51224 work?
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[08:34] Skola: hm no
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[08:34] Skola: what happens is that key is read as a string
[08:34] Skola: literally, instead of the value of key being used
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[08:35] japj: replace id by [id] and key with key[0]?
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[08:36] japj: if that doesn't solve it, you might want to try a coffeescript irc channel
[08:36] japj: you might have more luck there ;)
[08:36] Skola: same problem
[08:36] Skola: and yeah I asked an hour ago there
[08:37] Skola: will ask again there later
[08:37] japj: maybe there is a mailinglist you can ask?
[08:37] Skola: I don't think it's coffeescript specific
[08:37] Skola: I'd have the same problem in JS
[08:37] Skola: it doesn't evaluate key, it just reads it AS THE KEY
[08:37] AvianFlu: in JS you can 100% do obj[key] and have it use the value
[08:38] Skola: yeah sure
[08:38] japj: Skola, ah you want "id"?
[08:38] AvianFlu: I know that doesn't help your coffee, and I'm sorry
[08:38] Skola: obj[key] works in CoffeeScript too of course
[08:38] japj: Skola: I mean someobject["id"]?
[08:38] AvianFlu: so obj[key] = val? what are you trying to do, I may be confused
[08:39] Nexxy: is this another one of those "how do I get CS to produce the JS I want" situations?
[08:39] Skola: no
[08:39] Skola: http://hpaste.org/51225
[08:39] Skola: it's just a lack of knowledge of JS on my part
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[08:40] Nexxy: my suggestion would be to learn JS before using CS
[08:40] Skola: yeah
[08:40] Nexxy: genuine suggestion
[08:40] Skola: My JS isn't really shit, but just struggling with this
[08:40] Skola: it's not a CS vs JS issue as far as I can tell
[08:41] Skola: I should do my pastes in JS probably
[08:41] Nexxy: it would probably be safer for you ;3
[08:41] Skola: yeah ;p
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[08:42] Nexxy: you're lucky you didn't start a flamewar!
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[08:42] Skola: the problem with my paste is that it interprets query[0] literally
[08:42] Skola: instead of using it's value as the key
[08:43] chrisdickinson: Skola: looking at it now
[08:43] chrisdickinson: oh!
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[08:43] chrisdickinson: query[0] is being interpreted as 'query[0]'?
[08:43] Skola: yap
[08:43] Skola: instead of 'id'
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[08:44] chrisdickinson: that's JS being screwy, not CS.
[08:44] chrisdickinson: 
ACTION ducks

[08:44] Skola: which makes sense, but I'm trying to find a way around it
[08:44] Skola: yeah I've encountered the problem in JS before
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[08:45] chrisdickinson: Skola: a = {} \ a[query[0]] = query[1] \ Unit.find a, (err, docs)->
[08:45] Skola: problem wouldn't exist if Mongoose accepted a query like (id, val)
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[08:45] Skola: will try, cheers
[08:45] chrisdickinson: Skola: also, for that (id, val) case...
[08:46] chrisdickinson: v8: [['key', 'val'], ['key2', 'val2']].reduce(function(lhs, rhs) { lhs[rhs[0]] = rhs[1]; return lhs; }, {})
[08:46] v8bot_: chrisdickinson: {"key": "val", "key2": "val2"}
[08:47] Skola: thanks a lot
[08:47] Skola: : )))
[08:47] chrisdickinson: np!
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[08:48] Skola: hehe obvious in hindsight, as always
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[08:48] Skola: thanks :)
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[08:49] chrisdickinson: no prob :) hopefully everything goes well.
[08:49] Nuck: SubStack: I just used the word SubStackian in reference to your art style.  You are a word now.
[08:49] SubStack: http://substack.net/images/substackistan.png
[08:50] Nuck: SubStackistan?
[08:50] Nuck: As in...
[08:50] Nuck: Pakistan?
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[08:59] nuck|mobile: Ugh can't wait to get Node built on my shiny newbuntu
[08:59] nuck|mobile: It will build so fast and beautiful and then I will be happy.
[09:00] nuck|mobile: Because it isn't cygwin.
[09:00] nuck|mobile: And NPM will actually work more often than it fails.
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[09:05] knifed: do node support calling an external program?
[09:05] SubStack: require('child_process').{spawn,exec}
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[09:07] DrMcKay: !doc link child_process
[09:07] dmkbot1: http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/child_process.html
[09:07] DrMcKay: knifed: ^
[09:08] DrMcKay: NO!
[09:08] DrMcKay: !doc link child_processes
[09:08] dmkbot1: http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/child_processes.html
[09:08] DrMcKay: that's it ^
[09:08] japj: !doc link foo
[09:08] dmkbot1: http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/foo.html
[09:08] japj: lol
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[09:08] DrMcKay: yeah, I should make him do some search first
[09:08] japj: damn another ticket for the dmkbot ;)
[09:08] DrMcKay: :D
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[09:09] DrMcKay: well, I've to fix this one first
[09:09] DrMcKay: but diffing those issues is a pain in the ass
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[09:13] SubStack: tests, y u no pass
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[09:20] CIA-30: node: 03Fedor Indutny 07master * rdf480e0 10/ lib/repl.js : fix syntax error handling for 'throw ...', fix return value assertion - http://git.io/ipKTLg
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[09:22] knifed: DrMcKay, will it always be non blocking?
[09:22] knifed: DrMcKay, and can it read the output of external prog?
[09:22] onetom: guys, what's the currently recommended test framework for node?
[09:23] onetom: built-in assert_module, node unit, shoulda.js ?
[09:23] DrMcKay: onetom: I use nodeunit
[09:23] DrMcKay: knifed: yes
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[09:24] DrMcKay: knifed: it returns and object, which is an EventEmitter and contains stream handles which you can read from
[09:24] DrMcKay: s/and/an/
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[09:25] knifed: yes this clarifies "buffer the output, and return it all in a callback"
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[09:31] temongantengbgt: hello, anyone help me? I just first in node.js
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[09:32] temongantengbgt: I try this http://goo.gl/OxxpH tutorial... 
[09:32] temongantengbgt: but I dont get json respon... 
[09:33] temongantengbgt: but the console log is runing well if I push the message button... 
[09:33] temongantengbgt: I using node.js server with apache, 
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[09:34] temongantengbgt: my node version is v0.4.11
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[09:37] temongantengbgt: help me please
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[09:43] SubStack: temongantengbgt: how are you using node with apache?
[09:43] temongantengbgt: I runing apache in port 80
[09:44] temongantengbgt: and runing the node.js in port 8001
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[09:45] SubStack: temongantengbgt: I would guess that your browser won't let you make ajax calls across ports like that
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[09:46] temongantengbgt: I using firefox 6
[09:46] SubStack: no browser will let you do that
[09:46] SubStack: it's a security policy
[09:46] temongantengbgt: realy?
[09:47] SubStack: you'll have to proxy requests for it to work
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[09:47] SubStack: so it all comes from the same port from the browser's perspective
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[09:48] SubStack: you could whip up a quick load balancer/proxy service with https://github.com/nodejitsu/node-http-proxy
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[09:48] AvianFlu: what do you want apache in the picture for, temongantengbgt ?
[09:49] temongantengbgt: SubStack: any tutorial for this?
[09:49] onetom: DrMcKay: thx
[09:50] temongantengbgt: AvianFlu: apache for running my code igniter :)
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[09:51] DrMcKay: I wish there was some switch to turn off same-origin policy
[09:52] AvianFlu: jsonp? lol
[09:52] DrMcKay: it's so painful when testing your software
[09:52] DrMcKay: AvianFlu: not everything supports it -.-
[09:52] DrMcKay: oh, we should actually implement it for Relief1
[09:52] Marak: DrMcKay: you can add exceptions in your local browser
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[09:52] Marak: DrMcKay: i think....
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[09:53] DrMcKay: Marak: I haven't seen anything like that in options
[09:54] DrMcKay: oh, Chrome has that switch!
[09:54] Marak: DrMcKay: im about 90% sure you can do it
[09:54] DrMcKay: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3102819/chrome-disable-same-origin-policy
[09:54] Marak: there you go
[09:54] Marak: you can like totally just nest 4 or 5 iframes too
[09:54] Marak: that generally breaks same origin
[09:54] Marak: loooooool
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[09:55] AvianFlu: I hear that's a sport in some countries
[09:55] Marak: hopefully all the modern browsers have fixed that bug
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[09:56] DrMcKay: wait, what? like, it would just work nested in few iframes?
[09:57] JakeyChan_: what's the template engine that syntax like <%= %> ??
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[09:58] AvianFlu: DrMcKay, at one point, yes
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[09:59] DrMcKay: oh, now my code feels so safe.
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[10:02] Fabryz: on express.logger the :remote-addr shows me the proxy ip, what was the field to see the actual connected client ip? :req[x-forwarded-for] does not work
[10:04] temongantengbgt: substack : thanks, if I want make ajax calls across ports, from apache and node.js... I must using https://github.com/nodejitsu/node-http-proxy
[10:04] temongantengbgt: substack : ?? :D
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[10:05] SubStack: temongantengbgt: it's very hard
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[10:05] SubStack: you're much better off just using node by itself
[10:06] Fabryz: mah, I guess no one knows.
[10:06] temongantengbgt: substack: how using node.js with apache with easy way?
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[10:06] SubStack: I don't know of any easy general way
[10:06] SubStack: maybe there's a plugin like passenger
[10:07] temongantengbgt: substack: because I using php (codeigniter) and need message notification (using node.js??)
[10:08] SubStack: how do you need message notification to work?
[10:10] Fabryz: is there a quick function to obfuscate email addresses?
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[10:10] DrMcKay: Fabryz: to confuse spam bots? use recaptcha
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[10:13] temongantengbgt: SubStack: like facebook
[10:13] SubStack: temongantengbgt: facebook is written in php
[10:13] SubStack: what do you need out of node that php can't do?
[10:14] DrMcKay: and this is why they have to use > 1k servers
[10:14] temongantengbgt: SubStack: like if any message from other person, I get some notification
[10:14] temongantengbgt: SubStack: yes, I dont know how hold req in php... 
[10:15] SubStack: temongantengbgt: ah you mean like real-time communication?
[10:15] Bigblah: i use nginx to proxy_pass a subdirectory to node.js, myself
[10:15] temongantengbgt: SubStack: yes... 
[10:15] SubStack: server push as it were
[10:15] temongantengbgt: yes..
[10:15] temongantengbgt: Bigblah: any tutorial for this
[10:16] temongantengbgt: Bigblah: i will try using nginx if using apache is too hard... 
[10:16] Fabryz: DrMcKay and do you know about that field on the express logger?
[10:16] SubStack: temongantengbgt: do you already have a lot of code written in php?
[10:16] Bigblah: http://blog.mixu.net/2011/01/04/nginx-php-fpm-and-node-js-install-on-centos-5-5/
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[10:17] DrMcKay: Fabryz: no, I haven't looked into it yet
[10:17] temongantengbgt: Bigblah: you have make a cross port ajax call like that? with this?
[10:17] temongantengbgt: SubStack: yes
[10:17] SubStack: pesky
[10:17] temongantengbgt: SubStack: pesky?
[10:17] Bigblah: temongantengbgt: nope
[10:18] Bigblah: in that setup, /node will point to your node.js
[10:18] Bigblah: or any location you specify
[10:19] temongantengbgt: Bigblah: any location, like other port? its running?
[10:19] Bigblah: yes
[10:20] Bigblah: Configure nginx for node.js"
[10:20] Bigblah: look for that section
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[10:42] Marak: SubStack: check out these apples: https://github.com/hookio/couch/
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[11:28] Tiller: Hello!
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[11:32] Tiller: Guys, is there an "easy-way" to make an http server that can return images, swf, etc. ?
[11:32] Tiller: Because without any lib, I've to set the content-type, content-length, etc. for each type, right?
[11:33] DrMcKay: Tiller: node-static?
[11:33] Tiller: I'll look about it, thanks.
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[11:38] Tiller: That looks great, thanks DrMcKay 
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[11:40] DrMcKay: Tiller: :)
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[12:30] mekwall: hmm, getting error from waf when making and installing node 0.4.11 on ubuntu 11.04
[12:31] mekwall: node seems to work, but still :)
[12:31] mekwall: http://pastie.org/private/skk6ufhehplytddkhhcajq
[12:31] mekwall: should I be worried?
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[12:37] DrMcKay: mekwall: we're all going to die
[12:37] DrMcKay: mekwall: but seriously, no
[12:37] DrMcKay: mekwall: remove node file from your node directory (the executable file)
[12:37] DrMcKay: mekwall: or make clean
[12:38] mekwall: DrMcKay: heh, tried that already
[12:38] mekwall: DrMcKay: even tried from a clean git clone (and yes, I am checking out v0.4.11 before doing anything)
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[12:38] mekwall: doing ./configure and then make
[12:38] mekwall: make throws the exact same error
[12:38] DrMcKay: mekwall: and it still throws this out? weird
[12:38] mekwall: but it doesn't seem to fail
[12:39] mekwall: and make install works, but throws the error as seen in the pastie
[12:39] DrMcKay: mekwall: cmp build/default/node node to see if they differ
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[12:40] DrMcKay: anyway, kinda weird
[12:40] mekwall: weird, missing cmp command :P
[12:40] mekwall: wonder what package installs that
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[12:40] DrMcKay: wut?
[12:40] mekwall: it's a newly created vm machine with 11.04
[12:41] DrMcKay: ah, Ubuntu. weird things may happen.
[12:41] mekwall: :P
[12:41] mekwall: diffutils
[12:41] mekwall: was installed...
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[12:43] mekwall: DrMcKay: ok, got it to work... no difference between them
[12:43] mekwall: did a cmp build/default/node /usr/local/bin/node which didn't output anything
[12:44] DrMcKay: mekwall: then everything's fine and we're going to live long and happy lives
[12:44] mekwall: DrMcKay: alrighty :)
[12:45] mekwall: DrMcKay: thanks anyways
[12:45] DrMcKay: mekwall: :)
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[13:14] broofa_: what's the recommended express/connect module for enabling facebook/google/twitter (oauth-based) logins?  looks like everyauth and connect-auth are similar in popularity.
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[13:29] Tiller: Is there a way to put down the socket.io debug log in the console?
[13:30] Tiller: Ok I'm sorry, there is a wiki on the website~
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[13:38] spcshpopr8r: good morning #node.js ...I just started digging into jade and could prolly learn alot from the examples.  However, many of them use renderFile which seems to have been recently removed...I've been digging through the commits and issues but can't seem to find what should be used now to simply render the contents of a file...help, please.
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[13:40] Tiller: spcshpopr8r: I asked +/- the same question, and someone advised me node-static, and I look great
[13:40] Tiller: It looks great*
[13:40] stride: you look great!
[13:41] garrensmith: spcshpopr8r: Jade works well with express else there is a command line
[13:41] Tiller: I know stride :D
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[13:44] spcshpopr8r: hmm, I guess I don't understand, Tiller is node-static to be used as a replacement for jade or alongside it?  And garrensmith at present I'm just trying to understand jade outside of express...really just looking at some of the examples, will be using it with Express once I get a feel for it
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[13:45] Tiller: Maybe I didn't understand your question in the right way spcshpopr8r, with node-static, you can send your files (images, html, css, etc.) directly to the client
[13:46] Tiller: like apache does it
[13:49] spcshpopr8r: yeah...that's not quite what I'm after, thanks though
[13:51] Tiller: Then sorry :)
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[13:58] temongantengbgt: I want to run apache and node.js ?
[13:58] temongantengbgt: its posible?
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[13:58] tuhoojabotti: I'm doing that
[13:59] tuhoojabotti: Because I can't disable apache so I use mod_rewrite to proxy requests to node
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[14:00] temongantengbgt: yes, I try it too... 
[14:00] temongantengbgt: with .htaccess
[14:00] tuhoojabotti: Yeh.
[14:00] temongantengbgt: but still fail
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[14:01] temongantengbgt: can you help me
[14:01] tuhoojabotti: My crystal ball is a little foggy now
[14:01] Raynos: temonganten: sounds like a horrible idea
[14:01] Raynos: Dont put apache in front ode node :(
[14:01] tuhoojabotti: Raynos: It is.
[14:01] tuhoojabotti: But I have no choice. :/
[14:01] Raynos: uninstall apache
[14:01] Raynos: install node.
[14:01] tuhoojabotti: I can't.
[14:01] Raynos: o/
[14:02] tuhoojabotti: That's the problem.
[14:02] tuhoojabotti: I ain't renting a vps :D
[14:02] Raynos: Then get a decent server
[14:02] tuhoojabotti: I'm a poor student
[14:02] Raynos: Psh heroku works well enough
[14:02] tuhoojabotti: I have 2 irc shells, 500GB for backups and 50GB for websites for 35€/year
[14:02] Raynos: Heroku hasnt charged me anything yet and dthe site is still up
[14:03] Raynos: Btw you still need to install node even if you put it behind apache
[14:03] tuhoojabotti: ...
[14:04] tuhoojabotti: "Btw you need to install node to use it."
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[14:05] temongantengbgt: tuhoojabotti: you can show me... to run apache and node.js with mod_rewrite?
[14:05] temongantengbgt: help me
[14:05] temongantengbgt: :D
[14:05] tuhoojabotti: No!
[14:05] tuhoojabotti: Actually..
[14:05] tuhoojabotti: I did write a forum post about it
[14:06] tuhoojabotti: But it's in finnish. :)
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[14:06] tuhoojabotti: temongantengbgt: http://www.webmasterfoorumi.fi/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=5#p5
[14:06] Raynos: tuhoo: In case he was thinking he can magically get node to work on shared PHP hosting without installing it
[14:07] tuhoojabotti: Raynos: I got your point, but still.
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[14:07] Raynos: The statement is self explanatory. Maybe I should stop assuming people are idiots
[14:07] Raynos: the last time I did that the idiots bit me in the ass
[14:07] LordMetroid: What would you call a function that pushes the content of a buffer to the response?
[14:08] tuhoojabotti: Raynos: It's not wrong.
[14:08] temongantengbgt: I have install node in my vps :P
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[14:08] Raynos: LordMetriod " function I_push_the_content_of_the_buffer_to_the_response() { ... }"
[14:08] LordMetroid: lol
[14:09] Raynos: Ideally flushBuffer(buffer, res)
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[14:09] Raynos: or buffer.pipe(res) ?
[14:09] LordMetroid: flush, yes, that is good
[14:09] LordMetroid: pipe?
[14:10] LordMetroid: flush seems more explanatory
[14:10] Raynos: pipe is probably not applicable for you
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[14:24] LordMetroid: What would one call the counter variable describing which element of the buffer is being flushed?
[14:24] LordMetroid: I came up with bufferWritePosition, but that is quite cumbersome
[14:24] DrMcKay: LordMetroid: p
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[14:25] LordMetroid: p is too inexplanatory
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[14:25] DrMcKay: LordMetroid: I know. that's why I hate my code.
[14:25] LordMetroid: hehee
[14:26] DrMcKay: LordMetroid: http://www.geekherocomic.com/2008/11/12/real-programmers-dont-write-documentation/
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[14:29] CIA-30: node: 03koichik 07master * r389e2a0 10/ (lib/util.js test/simple/test-util-inspect.js): 
[14:29] CIA-30: node: util: Fix inspection for Error
[14:29] CIA-30: node: Fixes #1634. - http://git.io/4DDnlw
[14:29] LordMetroid: lol
[14:29] LordMetroid: I did that once upon a time with Java
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[14:30] LordMetroid: That quickly became unmanagable as the lines stretched several hundreads of colums
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[14:30] LordMetroid: Now, I keep to 78 columns per line but still uses explanatory names for my variables and functions
[14:30] LordMetroid: That way, I know that if something doesn't fit on one line, it shouldn't be written as one line
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[14:31] LordMetroid: This has served me very well as I can easily read and understand my code
[14:32] pickels: Anybody used browserify and coffeescript before? Was wondering if there is a way to get better error reporting. Now it's just reporting which line something went wrong but not which file.
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[15:35] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03Bonuspunkt: fs.watchFile not working on windows - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1358
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[15:38] deedubs: does anyone know how to append to the body of a connect response?  I want to rewrite the html being sent back to the client in middleware
[15:39] onetom: deedubs: that's what all middle wares
[15:40] onetom: do
[15:40] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03Bonuspunkt: fs.watchFile not working on windows - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1358
[15:40] deedubs: rewrite the response body?
[15:40] onetom: so the question is at which point of the middleware chain would u like to intervene with your rewrite
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[15:41] onetom: yes, each middleware is a function receiving both the request and the response and they do whatever they want on them
[15:42] onetom: I'm suspecting your were not phrasing your question clearly enough..
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[15:43] deedubs: yeah that's probably it
[15:43] onetom: http://senchalabs.github.com/connect/middleware-bodyParser.html
[15:44] onetom: look at this small fragment. in that function, u can do whatever u want to the res(ponse) object
[15:45] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03farhadi: UCS2 big endian encoding for buffer - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1684
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[15:51] deedubs: so in that example it is just terminating the connection and supplying content.  I haven't seen a example of reading the current response body, and applying changes
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[15:53] onetom: oh, okay, got it… probably u have to have a look into the implementation of the gzip middleware to see how should u buffer the data
[15:54] onetom: but by default there is no buffering, I'm afraid. probably u need the caching middleware...
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[15:56] deedubs: https://github.com/nateps/connect-gzip/blob/master/lib/gzip.js is an interesting read!
[15:57] onetom: the cache is probably simpler
[15:58] blup: does anyone know of a good tutorial explaining redis pubsub/messaging?
[15:58] onetom: http://extjs.github.com/Connect/api.html (click on the Cache on the left side)
[15:58] onetom: blup: why, whats wrong w the official documentation?
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[15:59] onetom: mean this: http://redis.io/topics/pubsub  which also refers to a mini chat client https://gist.github.com/348262
[16:01] blup: onetom: thanks, should've checked that first
[16:01] blup: 
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[16:40] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03hdf: Problems with url interpretation? - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1685
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[16:41] DrMcKay: each issue with URL in title makes me chuckle a bit now
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[16:42] japj: isaacs: will that podcast be live streamed aswell?
[16:43] isaacs: japj: yeah
[16:43] japj: cool
[16:44] japj: isaacs: will you announce it in this channel?
[16:44] japj: (when it starts)
[16:44] pquerna: Marak: no, domUs run their own clocks once booted... run ntpd
[16:45] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03hdf: Problems with url interpretation? - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1685
[16:47] isaacs: japj: yeah, and i think we'll be in #nodeup, too
[16:47] isaacs: japj: we tried to do it in #nodeup last time, but i think all the questions and stuff were in here :)
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[16:48] japj: isaacs: is there a 'regular' recording time? (I can't remember if the last time was on a sunday around this time aswell)
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[16:49] isaacs: japj: not really.  depends on when we can all get coordinated
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[16:49] der|: Does base64 provide a unique hash for every string it encodes ?
[16:50] japj: isaacs: ok, if it ever becomes a regular time it will be easier for listeners to plan it aswell
[16:50] der|: ah, sorry if there's a meeting!
[16:51] japj: isaacs: you might want to use the nodeup twitter account to announce the upcoming live show though ;)
[16:52] japj: anyway, afk while I finish some stuff before the podcast :)
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[16:55] AvianFlu: der| base64 is an encoding trick, there's nothing at all secure about it
[16:55] AvianFlu: any base64 can be decoded by anyone
[16:56] AvianFlu: people can't read it, but that's it
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[17:05] DrMcKay: umm... "Assertion `(req->result == -1 && req->ptr == ((void *)0)) || (req->result >= 0 && req->ptr != ((void *)0))' failed." <- did this happen for anybody else?
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[17:17] polotek: isaacs: yo, do you keep this relatively up to date? http://izs.me/v8-docs/
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[17:17] isaacs: polotek: no, i should update it
[17:17] isaacs: polotek: we don't change v8 often, though :)
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[17:18] DrMcKay: isaacs: does npm work with v0.5.6?
[17:18] polotek: well the v8 api doesn't change often, but it'd be nice to know you're not dealing with outdated docs
[17:18] polotek: DrMcKay: last I checked it was broken due to an fs bug in node
[17:18] isaacs: DrMcKay: should.  not with master, probably, though
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[17:19] DrMcKay: polotek: yeah, I'm getting assertion error from uv, it might be it
[17:19] polotek: yep, that's the one
[17:19] polotek: 0.5.5 still works
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[17:20] DrMcKay: polotek: thanks :)
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[17:20] dseif: I'm attempting to install node and npm via https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Installation
[17:20] dseif: and when i run curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sh
[17:20] isaacs: polotek: updated v8-docs to match what's in node master
[17:21] dseif: i get node(4404,0x7fff714b3960) malloc: *** error for object 0x7f934981de00: pointer being freed was not allocated
[17:21] dseif: tried running off of the last stable version instead of master and same issue
[17:21] isaacs: dseif: 0.5.6 is broken, i guess
[17:21] dseif: i tried 0.4.11
[17:21] isaacs: dseif: try rolling back to 0.5.5
[17:21] isaacs: or 0.4.11
[17:21] dseif: same issue
[17:21] isaacs: dseif: i don't believe you actually were using 0.4.11, then
[17:21] isaacs: at *least* you'd have a different error.
[17:22] dseif: i try doing git checkout and so on again
[17:22] isaacs: not the same one, because the code where that assertion is being made does not exist in 0.4.11
[17:22] dseif: doh
[17:22] isaacs: dseif: right, but when you ran node, you were getting 0.5.6.  try `node --version`
[17:22] dseif: i will try again, thanks
[17:22] dseif: ty for the quick help :)
[17:22] polotek: dseif: are you rebuilding? are you using something like nave?
[17:22] isaacs: np
[17:23] isaacs: dseif: yeah, nave is extremely helpful for switching versions
[17:23] polotek: So I got libxmljs to build by hacking the scons file
[17:23] dseif: nave?
[17:23] dseif: I'm just using git on command line
[17:23] polotek: without node --vars there's no way for me to get the node build params
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[17:23] dseif: im running mac osx
[17:23] polotek: dseif: nave is a module for managing different versions of node and switching between them easily
[17:23] polotek: it rocks
[17:24] dseif: interesting
[17:24] dseif: ima google it now, ty
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[17:24] polotek: npm install nave (you'll have to sort out your current problem first obviously :)
[17:24] dseif: haha true
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[17:24] isaacs: you don't need npm to install nave, though
[17:24] isaacs: you can just drop the shell script wherever.
[17:24] isaacs: i just put a package.json in it cuz it's what i do
[17:24] isaacs: :)
[17:25] dseif: awesome, def gonna give it a try
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[17:26] polotek: isaacs: do you know anything about the node --vars thing?
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[17:26] polotek: ryah: you around?
[17:27] isaacs: nope
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[17:27] LordMetroid: I have written this http://pastebin.com/RM9wsXqK
[17:28] LordMetroid: What will happen when this is executed?
[17:28] LordMetroid: In the middle, I am doing some I/O through the function  cache.loadView(viewPath, function(template) {});
[17:29] LordMetroid: Will everything halt till I executed that function? or will the object be created and pushed the buffer first?
[17:29] polotek: ?
[17:29] polotek: node github issues aren't showing up
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[17:30] polotek: LordMetroid: option B
[17:30] polotek: no blocking
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[17:30] LordMetroid: ok, cool
[17:30] perezd: question, is it bad form to augment the process global object with something like a logging utility ?
[17:30] JasonSmith: Newbie question but I've never asked: When I refer to it, should I say Node, NodeJS, or Node.js? Is it just tomato/tomato?
[17:31] LordMetroid: polotek: How come, I am executing the cache.loadView() function after all.
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[17:31] LordMetroid: Shouldn't the program wait till that function is fully executed before it does the next line which return the object?
[17:32] polotek: LordMetroid: No, that is how node differs from most other programming environments
[17:32] polotek: all i/o is non-blocking (with a few exceptions)
[17:32] polotek: so you have to manage your control flow with callbacks
[17:33] polotek: It takes some getting used to, but it keeps things fast
[17:33] polotek: JasonSmith: any of those is fine
[17:33] polotek: when googling I find that node.js works best
[17:33] polotek: people usually refer to it that way at least once
[17:34] polotek: perezd: not bad form exactly. but there are definitely "better" ways
[17:34] JasonSmith: Erlang is a beautiful lady. Node.js is a beautiful ladyboy.
[17:34] perezd: such as?
[17:34] JasonSmith: Correct usage?
[17:34] polotek: put your logging utility in it's own module, and require it
[17:35] perezd: polotek: then you'd be setting up transports and stuff every require?
[17:35] LordMetroid: I love both Erlang and JavaScript
[17:35] perezd: LordMetroid: +1
[17:35] LordMetroid: I feel like I get more done with JavaScript though
[17:35] polotek: perezd: no, module requiring is cached
[17:35] JasonSmith: polotek: I believe what you see with a lot of logging modules out there is they take advantage of the module being effectively a singleton, so you do e.g. require('log4js').getLogger('my_component')
[17:35] polotek: you get back the same object, it does not run the script again
[17:36] perezd: oh interesting
[17:36] polotek: JasonSmith: the logo says node.js, but I think the official name is just "node"
[17:36] JasonSmith: polotek: the front-page of the web site says "Node"
[17:36] perezd: polotek: so why is that better than augmenting process?
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[17:37] polotek: perezd: less chance of collisions, easier to trace the origin
[17:37] JasonSmith: thanks polotek. I've written so much Node code, but it's like hanging out with somebody all night long but you forgot their name hours ago
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[17:38] polotek: JasonSmith: :)
[17:38] perezd: is it bad form to have a simple javascript object with a bunch of functions attached to it? ie: not relying on porototype.
[17:39] perezd: I just have a bag of stateless functions basically, they are loosely related in use case, but otherwise don't share internal state
[17:40] dseif: this may sound like a stupid question, but how do i revert to 0.4.11
[17:40] dseif: i am apparently doing this wrong
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[17:41] JasonSmith: perezd: My impression is getting things done is the top priority. If you write useful code, people will not take too much offense at your style. Performance-wise, I don't think it matters except in special circumstances which will be obvious when they happen
[17:41] JasonSmith: thanks for the chats, all. Bye
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[17:43] SubStack: perezd: that is entirely legit
[17:43] perezd: Just making sure, it felt right..
[17:45] AvianFlu: perezd, basically, you only need prototype if you're gonna have more than one of that object
[17:46] AvianFlu: singletons are fine as regular object literals
[17:46] perezd: so its been a while since I chcked, are there more resources for "best practice idioms" in nodejs yet?
[17:47] AvianFlu: a little bit of it in http://docs.nodejitsu.com
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[17:47] AvianFlu: in general, I guess just talk to smart people and read good code :)
[17:47] perezd: wishing for more stuff to read
[17:48] dseif: this nave thing is pretty damn nifty must say
[17:48] murvin: hi.. there is question about setting subdomain.   I set the DNS A Record  such as "dev.mysite.com", and in express, i have express.vhost("dev.mysite.com", app);  it works.   No problem.  However, if I want to add more subdomains, do I need to add DNS for each subdomain, and one entry in the node.js server?
[17:48] murvin: is there a way to do *.dev.mysite.com  in DNS ?  
[17:48] Charuru: yeah
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[17:48] Charuru: doesn't that work? lol
[17:48] Charuru: just put that
[17:48] murvin: I tried  .dev.mysite.com but doesn't work
[17:48] Charuru: *.dev.mysite.com
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[17:48] murvin: do I need to put *  or just .
[17:48] murvin: ok
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[17:48] murvin: let me try.
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[17:54] Raynos: When did nodeup get redesigned
[17:55] Raynos: Is 2pm EST in 5 minutes?
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[17:57] sneakyness: idk I'm in california and everything is confusing
[17:57] sneakyness: I'm on the tail end of a 24 hour hackathon
[17:57] Raynos: Is california any good?
[17:57] sneakyness: idk I've spent the entire time coding
[17:57] rmzg: Cali is a great place
[17:57] sneakyness: so it's pretty solid
[17:58] Raynos: When nodeup says "WE'LL BE LIVE AT 2:00 PM EST"
[17:58] sneakyness: I made it on the front page of techcrunch twice!
[17:58] rmzg: Depends exactly where you are, but yeah
[17:58] Raynos: Does that mean today?
[17:58] sneakyness: all for wearing a shower cap…
[18:01] cjm: raynos, yes it's going to be alittle late though 
[18:01] Raynos: Oh ok
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[18:02] aaronblohowiak: NodeUp?
[18:03] aaronblohowiak: "NodeUp yours"
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[18:03] aaronblohowiak: NodeUpUpDownDownLeftRightLeftRightBASelectStart
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[18:04] AvianFlu: aaronblohowiak, LOL!
[18:04] AvianFlu: win
[18:04] rhdoenges: Nodenami Code
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[18:04] aaronblohowiak: SWIM should add a jquery + node plugin that lets you get a web-based REPL to your server when you nodeami on a node.js-served web page
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[18:05] AvianFlu: that would be pretty sweet
[18:05] rhdoenges: isn't it 2:00 EST by now
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[18:05] rhdoenges: I am bad at time-zones
[18:06] aaronblohowiak: rhdoenges: yes. also check out the.endoftimezones.com
[18:06] rhdoenges: why is NodeUp not beginning
[18:06] rhdoenges: :'(
[18:07] marcello3d: 
ACTION is trying 0.5.x for the first time

[18:07] cjm: rhdoenges: sorry, delayed, starting soon!
[18:08] marcello3d: are there any docs on the diffs between 0.4 and 0.5?
[18:08] rhdoenges: cjm: gotcha :D
[18:08] aaronblohowiak: marcello3d: 0.5 is unstable! Thar be dragons (like npm might not work and izs will tell you to go and use stable)
[18:08] NetRoY: lol ... i was waiting on #nodeup
[18:08] marcello3d: aaronblohowiak: I know
[18:08] aaronblohowiak: marcello3d: going to libuv is a BIG one
[18:08] marcello3d: aaronblohowiak: but I figure I should start testing it out
[18:08] marcello3d: and updating my libraries
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[18:09] marcello3d: libuv is under the hood right, doesn't change the apis?
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[18:09] cjm: NetRoY: hah, yea we're going to try using #node.js this time, see how it goes
[18:09] rhdoenges: marcello3d: yep
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[18:10] polotek: marcello3d: they are trying for full api compatibility yes. but still a big change
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[18:10] polotek: there will be lots of subtle bugs I'm sure
[18:10] rhdoenges: report them bugs
[18:10] rhdoenges: just test and find out
[18:10] marcello3d: yup
[18:10] marcello3d: it's still building
[18:11] isaacs: Still getting set up on the nodeup podcast
[18:11] Raynos: Make noise when nodeup starts
[18:12] marcello3d: they're using a new version of v8, too, right? with harmony proxies or something
[18:12] marcello3d: what's nodeup?
[18:12] Raynos: http://nodeup.com/
[18:12] marcello3d: bah. build failed!
[18:13] sqpat: is there an easy way to look up your installed version of node?
[18:13] marcello3d: Raynos: that page doesn't really tell me anything :(
[18:13] sqpat: im poking around the install dir but theres nothing obvious
[18:13] trupppOFF: nodeup is a audio podcast with topics related to nodejs
[18:13] marcello3d: live video?
[18:13] aaronblohowiak: marcello3d: it is witty banter 
[18:14] marcello3d: podcast?
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[18:14] aaronblohowiak: marcello3d: podcast
[18:14] trupppOFF: i am not sure if they stream it every time live
[18:15] rhdoenges: sqpat: process.version
[18:15] marcello3d: ah
[18:15] cjm: we're streaming it, should be live shortly 
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[18:16] marcello3d: I will check it out then
[18:16] sqpat: thanks!
[18:17] aaronblohowiak: man, node is so slow
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[18:17] aaronblohowiak: it is taking 20 minutes to start
[18:17] aaronblohowiak: oh wait, that is just nodeup
[18:17] aaronblohowiak: 
ACTION trollin with the homies

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[18:20] japj: test says, we're live but flash still says off air
[18:20] japj: *text
[18:20] trupppOFF: lol flash (^_^)
[18:20] Raynos: Can we have a proper url
[18:20] Raynos: rather then a little box on the nodeup website
[18:20] japj: http://www.ustream.tv/user/nodeup
[18:20] japj: atleast, that is what I am guessing
[18:21] trupppOFF: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nodeup
[18:21] Raynos: Yes that ^
[18:21] cjm: yes that ^
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[18:21] japj: why is that chat talking about puppies?
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[18:22] japj: or is that just placeholder stuff?
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[18:23] trupppOFF: i guess some pick up artists around there using the puppie strategy?
[18:23] Tobbe__: what db should I use for storing the users in my Express app? ~100 or so users I'd guess
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[18:24] Tobbe__: s/should I use/would you recommend/
[18:24] Raynos: japj: placeholder
[18:25] marcello3d: it says off air
[18:25] felixge: come and join #nodeup
[18:25] Raynos: Tobbe__: I'd recommend couch
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[18:25] marcello3d: oh, different site?
[18:25] felixge: to ask questions during the show
[18:25] Raynos: But look at alternatives like mongodb
[18:25] SubStack: join ussssssss
[18:26] marcello3d: Tobbe__: 100 users doing what? 100 simultaneous active users at any given time, or total?
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[18:27] isaacs: there are technical difficulties
[18:27] copyhold: grrrr..
[18:28] marcello3d: cause 100 users total is pretty much nothing...I would just go with whatever database you prefer the API with/most comfortable with
[18:28] Raynos: Tobbe__: Turned out we stored in couch & redis : https://github.com/Raynos/so642/blob/master/src/model/users.js
[18:28] marcello3d: you can keep 100 users in ram without much trouble
[18:28] Tobbe__: marcello3d: total
[18:28] rhdoenges: go redis
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[18:29] rhdoenges: (that was meant as a cheer not a recommendation)
[18:29] marcello3d: I've personally been using mongo
[18:29] marcello3d: but only experimenting, nothing in production
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[18:29] Raynos: I think we used redis for rapid reads
[18:30] Raynos: and couch for views by field names
[18:30] Tobbe__: marcello3d: If I would go with what I'm comfortable with I'd go with mysql...
[18:30] Raynos: We also set some flags in redis and extracted user meta data from redis
[18:31] Raynos: But mysql is so not node :(
[18:31] trupppOFF: :D
[18:31] marcello3d: trying to build 0.5.6 on OS X 10.7.1
[18:31] marcello3d: Build failed:  -> task failed (err #1): 
[18:31] marcello3d: 	{task: cxx_link node_main_5.o,node_5.o,node_buffer_5.o,node_javascript_5.o,node_extensions_5.o,node_http_parser_5.o,node_constants_5.o,node_file_5.o,node_script_5.o,node_os_5.o,node_dtrace_5.o,node_string_5.o,timer_wrap_5.o,handle_wrap_5.o,stream_wrap_5.o,tcp_wrap_5.o,udp_wrap_5.o,pipe_wrap_5.o,cares_wrap_5.o,stdio_wrap_5.o,process_wrap_5.o,v8_typed_array_5.o,node_cares_5.o,node_net_5.o,node_signal_watcher_5.o,node_
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[18:31] Raynos: I'd recommend avoiding it unless you have an existing database
[18:31] marcello3d: nothing wrong with using mysql. if you're using it already you don't have to worry about the operational aspects
[18:31] Tobbe__: Raynos: I know, that's why I asked :)
[18:32] marcello3d: you certainly won't have performance problems, and if you're new to node.js it's a good stepping off point
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[18:32] Tobbe__: I'm not using anyhing atm
[18:32] Tobbe__: have't written the app yet :)
[18:32] Raynos: Just setup couch, redis or mongo
[18:32] marcello3d: go look at redis, riak, mongo and couch
[18:32] marcello3d: they're all different
[18:32] marcello3d: API-wise and purpose-wise
[18:32] Raynos: riak is less popular but also do-able
[18:33] marcello3d: see what clicks with you most
[18:33] marcello3d: mongo will probably be the closest to mysql of the bunch
[18:33] marcello3d: (as far as querying goes)
[18:33] Raynos: I'd also recommend couchbase 2 if it wasnt in private beta ;)
[18:33] rmzg: Yay mongo!
[18:33] Raynos: Tobbe__: Redis is just an in memory database, very fast for reading. API is simple setting of keyvalues and doing collections
[18:34] Raynos: CouchDB is a collection of databases with a collection of JSON documents in each. All querying is done over HTTP
[18:34] Tobbe__: when is a relational database better than a document db?
[18:34] Raynos: Mongo is something
[18:34] rmzg: Tobbe__: when you need to perform set algebra
[18:34] Tobbe__: (or the other way around if you prefer)
[18:34] rmzg: =]
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[18:35] rmzg: Tobbe__: There's essentially two main points. 1) SQL databases tend to be older and thus have more existing development and infrastructure, including training, support, as well as technical features
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[18:35] rmzg: 2) SQL databases generally give you much more flexibility *inside* the database
[18:35] marcello3d: sql databases also allow you to separate concerns a bit
[18:35] Raynos: But SQL is a pain in the ass
[18:36] marcello3d: e.g. if you don't trust your app writer, you can put a lot of solid logic in the DB itself
[18:36] Raynos: couch & redis are just done in javascript
[18:36] rmzg: In my, somewhat limited experience, most of the "nosql" databases have very limited facilities for interacting with your data from inside the db
[18:36] Raynos: Which minimizes context switching nicely
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[18:36] marcello3d: rmzg: except mongo
[18:36] Raynos: rmzg: not really, couchdb _utils is quite extensive
[18:36] rmzg: I was specifically thinking of mongo
[18:36] Raynos: I think this "inside the db" is a bit grey
[18:36] rmzg: Sure
[18:36] Raynos: Whether a stored procedure lives on the database or in a js file
[18:37] Raynos: It really doesnt matter to me.
[18:37] rmzg: But it's hard to compare to the ability to write a 45 line sql command 
[18:37] Raynos: I think its great I dont have to faff around with sql
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[18:37] Raynos: sql was always a pain for me.
[18:37] Raynos: If your a database engineer it's cool, but if you do client, server & db the context switching is just a pain
[18:38] marcello3d: yea
[18:38] marcello3d: that's why I like the nodejs + mongo combo
[18:38] japj: would this be a good moment to start a nodejs podcast streaming project?
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[18:39] Raynos: Isnt there already one about to start just now?
[18:40] Raynos: Oh I see ustream fails lets write our own o/
[18:40] Tobbe__: rmzg: I like your "when you need to perform set algebra" comment. How serious was that?
[18:41] japj: Raynos: ;)
[18:41] Tobbe__: If I see myself ever needing to do joins, should I go with a relational database?
[18:41] cjm: japj: they are all in person this week, i'm not there but i think the problem is multi-mic mixing 
[18:42] japj: cjm: they are all together in the same room?
[18:42] cjm: japj: yea
[18:42] Raynos: Tobbe__: joins are so generic.
[18:43] Raynos: Thats like saying "If I ever need data that is linked to other data, should I go with a relational database"
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[18:43] Raynos: Oh you have users, and each user has a forum post or something. I must use a relational database!
[18:43] Raynos: I cant give you the right answer when to use what, but I can tell you your current logic is flawed ;)
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[18:44] Tobbe__: Raynos: I bet it is :)
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[18:45] Tobbe__: I just don't want to go with couch/mongo/whatever just because it's hip
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[18:46] Tobbe__: wait, why am I using node.js again? hmm... never mind. I'll just use mongo :D
[18:47] mm_: Hello, anyone can help with npm installation problem on Solaris 11?
[18:47] polotek: mm_: maybe, what's the problem?
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[18:48] mm_: issued "curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sh" as instructed
[18:49] mm_: answered yes to that question about npm 0.x 
[18:49] mm_: and then
[18:49] mm_: this error showed up
[18:49] isaacs: mm_: try answering "no" to it :)
[18:50] mm_: couldn't unpack /tmp/npm-1315766955608/1315766955608-0.12826308188959956/tmp.tgz to /tmp/npm-1315766955608/1315766955608-0.12826308188959956/contents
[18:50] mm_: npm ERR! Could not install: .
[18:50] mm_: npm ERR! Error: ENOENT, No such file or directory '/tmp/npm-1315766955608/1315766955608-0.12826308188959956/contents/package/package.json'
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[18:50] marcello3d: fwiw, doing a make clean, ./configure, then make, seems to have fixed it
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[18:53] mm_: It is the same issue someone else has reported here : https://github.com/isaacs/npm/issues/1379
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[18:54] Raynos: Does anyone have any recommended reading on making progress on IWA on node.js without IIS
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[18:54] mm_: isaacs ->I tried with answering no to "it" and then got this error :  "Aborting"  "Aborted 0.x cleanup.  Exiting."  "It failed"
[18:55] AvianFlu: Raynos: IWA?
[18:55] Raynos: integrated windows authentication
[18:55] Raynos: It's evil and windows. But it's an nice auto login for end users
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[18:56] AvianFlu: yeah, I can see where that could be convenient yet awful to work with
[18:56] AvianFlu: lol
[18:57] Raynos: It can be done with IIS but IIS in front of node kills me inside
[18:57] AvianFlu: do we get any win32api stuff exposed, or would win32api interaction have to be done in an addon?
[18:57] AvianFlu: 
ACTION doesn't miss the win32api.  At all.

[18:58] AvianFlu: ...is it still 32 even?
[18:58] AvianFlu: it's been a couple years
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[19:00] SubStack: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nodeup
[19:00] SubStack: #nodeup
[19:00] SubStack: we're live!
[19:00] rhdoenges: woo!
[19:00] felixge: ok we're live
[19:00] felixge: come and join #nodeup
[19:00] felixge: : )
[19:01] qbert65536: Be honest, would you use this http://thecodebase.com/bang/ ?  It's basically a pretty report for //TODO's etc , with priorities and categories
[19:01] Raynos: They are live
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[19:02] dscape: SubStack: yt?
[19:02] maxogden: dscape: listen to him here http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nodeup
[19:03] dscape: heya maxogden :)
[19:03] japj: and join #nodeup
[19:03] dscape: is this live? :)
[19:03] r04r: qbert65536: I would actually, qbert65536. Seems cool!
[19:03] Raynos: yes its live
[19:03] maxogden: dscape: ya were in mikeals living room
[19:03] dscape: cool
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[19:04] dscape: so im remoting into mikeals living room
[19:04] dscape: awesome
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[19:05] qbert65536: r04r, ok :D
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[19:08] murvin: yaa.. the subdomain thing works now.. yes..
[19:08] murvin: after waiting hours for dns propagate..  
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[19:11] rmzg: Oh man
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[19:11] rmzg: tamejs makes some pretty code
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[19:27] JaKWaC: Is nodeup still live?
[19:27] richardms: Is for me
[19:30] JaKWaC: Right now they are taking IRC questions.. and I dont see any questions...
[19:30] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03khoomeister: Any chance of a synchronous child_process.exec/spawn in the future? - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1167
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[19:31] kersny: JaKWaC: #nodeup
[19:32] JaKWaC: Ah! Thanks. On the websites it says #node.js
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[19:34] Raynos: nodeup is still live
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[19:46] ryah: `3rdEden: you there?
[19:46] cjm: NodeUp live Q&A still going on http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nodeup and join #nodeup
[19:47] `3rdEden: ryah yeh
[19:47] ryah: `3rdEden: can you gist me the raw request from this "connection: upgrade" thing?
[19:48] `3rdEden: raw headers from node or from the browser?
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[19:48] marlun: I had real problems listening to nodeup podcast 1 and 2 because the sound quality was so bad. Sounds better live :)
[19:48] ryah: `3rdEden: both preferably
[19:49] `3rdEden: sure, gimma sec
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[19:50] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03khoomeister: Any chance of a synchronous child_process.exec/spawn in the future? - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1167
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[19:53] `3rdEden: ryah https://gist.github.com/1210032
[19:53] `3rdEden: the node.log is the output of server.on('upgrade', function (req) { console.dir(req.headers)});
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[19:54] `3rdEden: So a `pure` node server is actually able of receiving and understanding the latest Web Sockets
[19:54] `3rdEden: but one with a node-http-proxy in front of it will break =/
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[19:55] stevie: I'm just new to node.js. didn't even built an app yet but: Did I h just hear you can use node,js on mobile phones?
[19:56] Raynos: stevie: if you can hack you can get node running on android
[19:56] tbranyen: hack the planet
[19:56] stevie: YEAH
[19:56] stevie: you need an rooted phone, I guess?
[19:56] Raynos: Yes
[19:57] Raynos: I also going to mention that its a toy/hack
[19:57] ryah: `3rdEden: so - this seems okay - or?
[19:57] ryah: `3rdEden: that is, it's working?
[19:58] `3rdEden: ryah yes it's working perfectly without a proxy infront of it
[19:59] stevie: funny to see felix here. I just know him from the CakePHP-community when I used it.
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[20:00] ryah: `3rdEden: im looking for an example where it fails
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[20:01] ryah: firefox7 is what indexzero said
[20:01] `3rdEden: ryah it's the outgoing connection that doesn't work
[20:02] `3rdEden: FF6 also works fine with incomming connections
[20:02] jroes: there's no words on it!
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[20:02] ryah: `3rdEden: outgoing?
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[20:04] `3rdEden: ryah: requests that are made using the http.client / agent
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[20:04] ryah: `3rdEden: oh - i see
[20:05] AvianFlu: hence a pure server doesn't see it, but the proxy, which makes a new outgoing connection with it, is failing
[20:05] AvianFlu: or so it seems
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[20:05] AvianFlu: 
ACTION just read the thread

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[20:05] `3rdEden: But I also noticed that FF7 doesn't work, but that might be related to socket.io dunno
[20:06] ryah: but outgoing requests don't go through the proxy
[20:06] AvianFlu: ryah: I was saying that the proxy gets a request, and makes an outgoing connection to the place it proxies to
[20:06] `3rdEden: The http proxy makes a outgoing request to proxied server
[20:06] ryah: AvianFlu: oh, i see
[20:07] ryah: so what exactly is failing?
[20:07] ryah: this doesn't sound like a http-parser bug
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[20:08] ryah: can someone get me the outbound http request and response
[20:08] ryah: that is failing
[20:08] ryah: and/or give me a small example which demos it?
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[20:10] seebees1: If a TCP server pauses the stream, should the client connection return false on write?
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[20:15] Fodi69: hi, in socket.io can I send a broadcast message to just a part of the connections, so not to everybody, just a few people (specified be socket.id)?
[20:16] Raynos: Fodi69: try #socket.io 
[20:16] `3rdEden: ryah i'll try to see if can get some output from the proxy
[20:16] Fodi69: Raynos: thanks
[20:17] astropirate: Why are there no Node.js users in the Washington DC area?  This makes me sad
[20:18] seebees1: does anyone know how node Sockets interact between the client and the server?  i.e. if you pause the server what does/should the client see?
[20:18] boogyman: astropirate: why would it matter?
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[20:18] astropirate: boogyman: because i'm trying to get a meetup group going
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[20:20] alejandromg: hi y'all!
[20:20] alejandromg: Do you guys know about any good RMTP server for nodejs? Or a module for video-streaming?
[20:20] Raynos: astropirate: time for that washington DC startup
[20:20] Raynos: Do it
[20:20] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03BillBarnhill: Fix memory allocation in uv__fs_after - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1686
[20:20] astropirate: Raynos: I am :)   crappy thing is that i can't find node developers
[20:21] astropirate: as cofounders 
[20:21] Raynos: astropirate psh. who needs locality
[20:21] Raynos: Sell your team convince someone to move
[20:21] astropirate: My team consists of Me :(
[20:21] astropirate: lol
[20:22] astropirate: and no one is going to move to DC specially in this field
[20:22] astropirate: if anyone is going to move they will move to SF
[20:22] Raynos: I would, if your idea is gold
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[20:22] Raynos: I dont care about location
[20:22] Raynos: I need a team I can really trust
[20:23] Raynos: location is such a minor hurdle
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[20:23] astropirate: Raynos: you are right. But i don't really know anybody in the node community. I don't have the money to attend the confrences
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[20:23] astropirate: Thats why i was trying local
[20:23] Raynos: Your networking right now.
[20:23] astropirate: :)
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[20:24] Raynos: Im in the same spot I think.
[20:24] astropirate: How about I pitch you my idea
[20:24] Raynos: Im trying to get a local node meetup going
[20:24] Raynos: not much about it
[20:24] Raynos: https://github.com/Raynos is my email public via my github page?
[20:25] DrMcKay: Raynos: yes
[20:27] `3rdEden: ryah I updated gist with a `node.http.proxy... ` file that shows the headers that are send to the agent.appendMethod (https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/v0.4/lib/http.js#L1158)
[20:29] boogyman: raynos2 is the "name" 
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[20:30] AvianFlu: `3rdEden, wrong link?
[20:30] AvianFlu: oh wait nm
[20:30] `3rdEden: =]
[20:30] `3rdEden: gist; https://gist.github.com/1210032
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[20:32] AvianFlu: thanks :D
[20:32] AvianFlu: `3rdEden the ultimate issue is that the 'upgrade' event on the http.Agent isn't getting fired, right?
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[20:33] AvianFlu: i.e. the ultimate symptom, I should say
[20:33] `3rdEden: AvianFlu I don't know if it should fire on the http agent
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[20:34] `3rdEden: it should just do a HTTP call to the server that emulates the upgrade event
[20:34] AvianFlu: I may be confused on that part, but it's not noticing that it should 'upgrade' somehow, right?
[20:34] `3rdEden: basically the issue if you emulate the latest websocket spec using the HTTP agent it doesn't fire the upgrade event on the http server
[20:35] `3rdEden: where with the old spec it did fire the upgrade event on the server.
[20:35] AvianFlu: right, that's what I thought
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[20:40] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03tshinnic: add positioned writing feature to fs.WriteStream - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1645
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[20:43] alejandromg: Do you guys know about any good RMTP server for nodejs? Or a module for video-streaming?
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[20:55] CIA-54: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07noinit * r79eaf40 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Remove uv_init from uv.h and windows backend - http://git.io/UQE_kA
[20:55] CIA-54: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07noinit * r2c96ad2 10/ (33 files): Remove uv_init calls from tests and benchmarks - http://git.io/FcMsfQ
[20:55] CIA-54: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07noinit * rc5a489b 10/ src/win/timer.c : win: make uv_hrtime() thread-safe - http://git.io/BcG93Q
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[20:58] aaronblohowiak: isaacs: any way to download nodeup 4 yet?
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[21:05] TheEmpath: Hail nodlings
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[21:10] aaronblohowiak: Ahoy
[21:10] AvianFlu: YARRR
[21:10] AvianFlu: wait, I'm a week early
[21:11] tmedema: Anyone working with Cassandra in node.js?
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[21:12] aaronblohowiak: AvianFlu: what do you mean week early?
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[21:12] AvianFlu: talk like a pirate day
[21:12] AvianFlu: in like 8 days
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[21:12] aaronblohowiak: AvianFlu: oh yes, nice!
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[21:16] TheEmpath: How does one dynqmically invoke a module method and pass in an array of arguments to inoke it with?
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[21:16] TheEmpath: Moduke.call('method name, [1,2,3]); //?
[21:16] TheEmpath: Module*
[21:16] AvianFlu: .apply with an array
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[21:17] AvianFlu: .call with individual args
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[21:17] TheEmpath: Ahh
[21:17] AvianFlu: I see fn.apply(null, arguments) quite a bit
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[21:17] AvianFlu: on the other hand it would be .call(null, arg1, arg2, arg3)
[21:17] TheEmpath: So module.method.call(null, []);
[21:17] AvianFlu: the first param being for object context
[21:18] AvianFlu: module.method.apply(null, [])
[21:18] AvianFlu: but yeah
[21:18] TheEmpath: Hrmm
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[21:19] TheEmpath: sorry
[21:20] TheEmpath: so im trying this and getting errors
[21:20] TheEmpath: var mime = require('mime'); mime.lookup.apply(['test.txt']);
[21:21] TheEmpath: says TypeError: Cannot call method 'replace' of undefined
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[21:23] TheEmpath: aha
[21:23] TheEmpath: got it
[21:23] TheEmpath: thanks
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[21:24] r04r: Does anyone have any suggestion for hosting nodejs locations? Like, any good VPS providers or anything like that? It wouldn't be a very busy application.
[21:24] seebees1: please, anyone know about TCP Sockets in node?  I'm trying to write tests, but since event the simplest pause/resume stuff does not seem to work, I'm not sure if maybe I'm crazy...
[21:24] Fabryz: r04r did you try free node.js hosting like nodejitsu?
[21:24] AvianFlu: r04r: join #nodejitsu
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[21:25] r04r: Fabryz: I have not, will take a look, thanks. avalanche123: Thanks!
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[21:25] aaronblohowiak: r04r: no.de
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[21:29] electronpluspl-1: Hi
[21:29] electronpluspl-1: I'm looking for a framework to develop web apps that look like desktop,any suggestions?
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[21:33] dob_: do you know any project which creates a node.js based videochat?
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[21:34] dob_: electronpluspl-1: ExtJS?
[21:34] electronpluspl-1: no way dob_  :P
[21:34] electronpluspl-1: I'm looking for something similar to UKI
[21:35] electronpluspl-1: but with an active dev team
[21:35] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03khoomeister: Any chance of a synchronous child_process.exec/spawn in the future? - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1167
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[22:18] eldios: jesusabdullah, that was kinda weird.. I must admit it
[22:18] eldios: XD
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[22:21] jesusabdullah: eldios: Wasn't it? XD
[22:22] jesusabdullah: THE FUTAR IS NOW
[22:22] eldios: XD
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[22:24] AvianFlu: the futon is now? what?
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[22:27] ErikCV8: Do people use ndb the debugger?
[22:27] ErikCV8: Or has the world moved on to something more funky?
[22:27] ErikCV8: I'm trying to use it with Node 0.4.12 and it seems a bit broken.
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[22:28] pquerna: ErikCV8: there is the built in debugger
[22:29] marcello3d: ErikCV8: I've been using the web based one, but I haven't tried it lately
[22:29] pquerna: node-inspector
[22:29] pquerna: is that one
[22:29] pquerna: and its probally the nicest
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[22:35] jesusabdullah: http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1717 Discuss.
[22:35] jesusabdullah: Troll?
[22:35] jesusabdullah: Has a point?
[22:36] jesusabdullah: Just doesn't get it?
[22:36] jesusabdullah: Weight in, noders.
[22:36] jesusabdullah: s/weight/weigh/
[22:36] jesusabdullah: Sorry, i had a parakeet walking on my face. :C
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[22:36] ErikCV8: thanks
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[22:40] marcello3d: jesusabdullah: oh my god my eyes
[22:41] Draggor: See what I want in regards to this whole "cloud" stuff is to basically run all those kinds of services on my own servers so *I* keep all the data
[22:42] chjj: Draggor: accept the webscale or perish
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[22:43] jesusabdullah: marcello3d: I know, right?
[22:44] jesusabdullah: Draggor: I think that's a pretty good take-home message
[22:44] jesusabdullah: otoh, I would like to think that I could get my data off my linode before the company took a shit
[22:45] chjj: i like my answer better
[22:45] marcello3d: so basically what the site says is backup
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[22:47] jesusabdullah: Honestly, I only absorbed half of it because I left my readability bookmarklet at home
[22:47] jesusabdullah: also I have hella headache and my bird is being a douche
[22:48] marcello3d: well, you asked our opinion =P
[22:48] jesusabdullah: I did!
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[22:48] jesusabdullah: XD
[22:48] jesusabdullah: I really want to discuss it, but I'm running behind
[22:48] jesusabdullah: gimme 10 and I'll be able to talk more intelligently about this article ^__^
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[22:49] Fodi69: which one is the default NODE_ENV ? (production, development, stage?)
[22:50] chapel: Fodi69: by default if its not set, it's assumed to be dev
[22:50] Fodi69: as I see, undefined :D
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[22:51] Fodi69: chapel: assumed, so the 'development' configurations should run in express.js?
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[22:51] chapel: yeah
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[22:54] NegativeK: Question regarding nodeunit's sandbox, as I'm pretty sure I'm doing something wrong.
[22:55] NegativeK: When I try to load a file via sandbox, it throws errors on require and exports. Is there something that needs to be done to get it to recognize them?
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[23:04] borior: evening all. does anyone have any experience developing mdns/zeroconf apps with node. if so, do you have an mdns node module you could recommend?
[23:06] v_y: off the top of your head, what would you expect the memory foot print of a node server serving 100 games of chess, each with 2 observers and 8 spectators, would be?
[23:06] v_y: it uses socket.io for realtime gameplay
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[23:07] jhurliman: anyone running both cluster and winston?
[23:07] jhurliman: i'm wondering if there is a way to make them play nicely
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[23:08] codely: hey everyone, if i have mongoose, - how can i specify a "setter" to wait on an async function?
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[23:12] jesusabdullah: jhurliman: I've not used cluster, but I *have* used winston. How are they not playing nicely?
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[23:14] jhurliman: jesusabdullah, i just mean a more integrated approach. in my config i have a cluster master process spawning two child processes, so there is logging happening from three processes into a single file right now. i want to add a line to each log entry to say who it is coming from (master or child+worker number)
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[23:16] jhurliman: alternatively i could turn off winston file logging and use the cluster.logger() plugin, but then i lose the ability to push my data to loggly
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[23:16] jesusabdullah: jhurliman: from what I saw, winston can take a "meta" field. Maybe you can throw your cluster id into that?
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[23:16] codely: any mongoose people in here? struggling with async getters….
[23:17] jhurliman: that's an idea
[23:17] jesusabdullah: winston.log("info", "doin' the sweet thing", { process: /*whatever*/ });
[23:17] jhurliman: i'll try it, thanks
[23:17] jesusabdullah: I don't know how cluster handles that, but, yeah
[23:17] jesusabdullah: jhurliman: Maybe you can write a cluster/winston mashup/plugin/module thing? That'd be leet
[23:17] jhurliman: it exposes an environment variable holding the child worker id
[23:18] jesusabdullah: Ah
[23:18] jesusabdullah: That's right, cluster uses env vars
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[23:19] jesusabdullah: It sounds like you have a direction to go in now ^__^
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[23:19] jesusabdullah: If you end up making sweet winston/cluster toys you should keep us in the loop.
[23:19] jesusabdullah: I always like hearing of people mashing together libraries that weren't really written with each other in mind
[23:20] jesusabdullah: like, nodejitsu's stack was obviously written using all these tools, and learnboost's stack is build with mostly different tools
[23:20] jesusabdullah: but they're all solid tools y'know?
[23:20] jesusabdullah: idk maan
[23:21] jhurliman: today i just want things to work :(
[23:21] jhurliman: but cluster is giving me "Error: maxBuffer exceeded."
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[23:23] CarterA: I'm trying to write a library/CLI that interacts with a REST JSON API, authenticates with basic auth, and runs over https. Anyone know what module(s) I should use?
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[23:24] nF{: Anyone have an examples of where node has been implemented?
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[23:27] chilts: nF{: what do you mean implemented? do you mean used?
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[23:28] nF{: yea
[23:28] JaKWaC: CarterA: https://github.com/andyet/fermata
[23:28] nF{: on any well known sites
[23:29] chilts: lots, including LinkedIn, Joyent and various others ... just do a search and you'll find some
[23:30] boogyman: Yahoo, Google, LinkedIn, Joyent, etc..
[23:30] JaKWaC: Yahoo uses NodeJS
[23:30] dynacker: sort of.
[23:31] CarterA: JaKWaC: looks OK. Know of any other options, or is that pretty much it? I tried restler and couldn't get it working.
[23:31] electronplusplus: What part of js should I study in order to understand this -> ( function ( ) { } ) ( );
[23:32] chjj: electronplusplus: the function part :)
[23:32] chjj: thats a function expression
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[23:33] electronplusplus: ()(); <- this?
[23:33] chjj: electronplusplus: its a self executing function, its usually used to create a new scope
[23:35] JaKWaC: CarterA: https://github.com/maxpert/Reston is simular to Restler
[23:35] joshkehn: So I'm tasked with doing some client side dev and noticed how absolutely horrible it is when you don't have modules or require()
[23:36] joshkehn: Any recommendations for a good library client side for managing code?
[23:36] chjj: joshkehn: the truth!
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[23:36] joshkehn: I tried requireJS and haven't like it.
[23:36] gkatsev: they all kind of suck
[23:36] joshkehn: That's not the answer I was hoping for. :p
[23:36] chjj: i prefer to write my own build script that implements a sync require
[23:36] chjj: like node
[23:36] gkatsev: there's also headjs and labjs
[23:37] joshkehn: headjs looked better then anything else I saw.
[23:37] CarterA: I think I'm gonna give https://github.com/franklovecchio/simple-rest-client a shot
[23:37] AvianFlu: joshkehn, try browserify
[23:40] joshkehn: That requires node on the backend, right?
[23:40] joshkehn: I'm trying to keep this backend agnostic.
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[23:41] AvianFlu: it ports node's require system to the browser, along with a lot of node compatibility stuff
[23:41] AvianFlu: not much for being agnostic, but it certainly gives you a great require() system
[23:41] AvianFlu: you write node code on both ends, basically
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[23:42] AvianFlu: so... the opposite for you
[23:42] AvianFlu: lol
[23:42] joshkehn: Yeah. 
[23:42] joshkehn: Really wish there was a better way.
[23:42] joshkehn: I'll look at Browserify and Head.js
[23:42] AvianFlu: amazing how browsers can ruin your day!
[23:42] joshkehn: #tellmeaboutit
[23:43] jesusabdullah: joshkehn: You can compile browserified code and then use it as static content. It's not a well-known feature but it's totally there
[23:43] joshkehn: Hmm. That has potential.
[23:43] jesusabdullah: I mean, there are other solutions that you may like better. I just happen to be most knowledgeable about browserify
[23:44] codely: if I'm using mongoose, and i have an async (figured that part out with next and done). and i have a value called X in my schema, how do i set it?
[23:44] codely: i can use this.get("keyName")
[23:45] codely: but not set...
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[23:53] codely: anyone .....
[23:53] joshkehn: this.x = ??
[23:54] joshkehn: Can you better explain the question?
[23:54] codely: nah doesn't save
[23:54] joshkehn: this.markModified('x') ?
[23:55] codely: markmodified is a builst in mongoose func?
[23:55] codely: hmm
[23:55] joshkehn: I have no clue.
[23:55] joshkehn: (about what mongoose is doing under the hood).
[23:55] codely: ahh ok
[23:55] joshkehn: I think it's absurd to build a schema an relationship system in front of mongodb.
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[23:59] jhurliman: man, maybe it's just me but i think node stack traces are almost completely worthless without require('long-stack-traces')
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