[00:00] abjorn: but uh
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[00:00] ako: just tried it... works fine
[00:00] abjorn: same here
[00:00] ako: document.getElementById('header').style.marginLeft="10px" <- on reddit does indeed move the header 10px to the right
[00:00] abjorn: document.getElementById("main").style.marginLeft = "10px";
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[00:01] JSprob: hmm
[00:01] ako: and i agree. wrong channel. :P
[00:01] JSprob: yes i know sorry
[00:01] JSprob: but there is no traffic atm
[00:01] abjorn: make sure the `format` var is really what you think it is
[00:02] JSprob: it is a string
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[00:02] JSprob: "10px"
[00:02] JSprob: so i thought it should work
[00:02] ako: try it in firebug
[00:02] ako: (or whatever)
[00:03] JSprob: i did :D
[00:04] JSprob: well now i changed it to document.getElementById('stephie').style.marginLeft = "\"" + erg2 + "px\"";
[00:04] JSprob: erg2 is the number 10
[00:04] abjorn: o.O
[00:04] JSprob: but doesnt work either
[00:04] jmoyers: no need for almost any of that
[00:04] JSprob: okay looks like i did it wrong :D
[00:04] jmoyers: value + "px";
[00:04] jmoyers: should work fine
[00:04] abjorn: almost any of that? try "all" of that
[00:04] jmoyers: its not looking for " in the string
[00:04] abjorn: :p
[00:04] abjorn: yeah a string saying "10px" should be just fine
[00:04] ako: that's '"10px"'
[00:05] JSprob: but the number is a variable
[00:05] ako: not '10px' (or "10px")
[00:05] JSprob: its calculated
[00:05] abjorn: the DOM may be crap but it's not *that* bad
[00:05] jmoyers: i'd recommend making sure whatever element you are adding a margin to also works with vanilla css
[00:05] ako: number + string = string
[00:05] abjorn: what jmoyers said
[00:05] JSprob: okay i try it
[00:05] JSprob: thank you
[00:05] JSprob: =)
[00:05] jmoyers: style="margin-left: 10px" or whatnot
[00:05] JSprob: yes
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[00:06] ako: fwiw, 0.5.6 does work on winxp again :o
[00:06] ako: :)
[00:06] JSprob: yeeeeeeeeeeeeees
[00:06] JSprob: works
[00:06] JSprob: hahaha
[00:06] JSprob: nice thank you
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[00:06] JSprob: =)
[00:07] jmoyers: and thus, you have begun your journey
[00:07] jmoyers: and stuff
[00:08] aho: is there a reason why the docs aren't alphabetically sorted?
[00:09] aho: i mean sure... greasemonkey can fix that... but seriously... :>
[00:11] jmoyers: ctrl-f?
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[00:12] bnoordhuis: aho: yes, it's annoying
[00:12] bnoordhuis: it's one of those "we should fix that sometime" things
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[00:12] aho: the docs are somewhat generated aren't they?
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[00:13] aho: is the raw data available?
[00:13] bnoordhuis: aho: yes, it's in the docs/ directory of the repo
[00:15] aho: hum... markdown...
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[00:18] Aabhas: hi 
[00:18] Aabhas: I need you help 
[00:19] Aabhas: I tried to make node on cygwin 
[00:19] Aabhas: it is very painful on windows
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[00:19] Aabhas: Build failed:  -> task failed (err #1):         {task: cxx_link node_main_5.o,node_5.o,node_buffer_5.o,node_javascript_5 .o,node_extensions_5.o,node_http_parser_5.o,node_constants_5.o,node_file_5.o,nod e_script_5.o,node_os_5.o,node_dtrace_5.o,node_string_5.o,timer_wrap_5.o,handle_w rap_5.o,stream_wrap_5.o,tcp_wrap_5.o,udp_wrap_5.o,pipe_wrap_5.o,cares_wrap_5.o,s tdio_wrap_5.o,process_wrap_5.o,v8_typed_array_5.o,node_cares_5.o,node_ne
[00:19] Aabhas: how to solve this ?
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[00:21] TheJH: Aabhas, well, why cygwin?
[00:21] TheJH: Aabhas, there's an official windows build, node.exe
[00:22] TheJH: Aabhas, also, if you want to use node and npm and so on, just install a linux VM for that
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[00:23] Aabhas: really ?
[00:23] aho: node.exe works perfectly fine for command line shizzle though
[00:23] Aabhas: aho how did you solve this ?
[00:23] Aabhas: node.exe how to run ?
[00:23] aho: i just used the official build *shrug*
[00:24] aho: http://nodejs.org/dist/v0.5.6/node.exe
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[00:26] Aabhas: I tried to run the node.exe and open the node.exe and >node example.js does not seem work ?
[00:27] aho: node -v
[00:27] aho: works?
[00:27] aho: also "does not seem to work" is... uhm... not very precise
[00:27] aho: even more so if no one knows what example.js is supposed to be
[00:28] jerrysv: Aabhas: if you are running node, that is dropping you into the REPL
[00:28] jerrysv: Aabhas: instead, from the command line: node example.js
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[00:28] junkee[]: anyone wants to test node-gir? I work on it and it needs tests
[00:28] junkee[]: atm, gtk should work
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[00:28] junkee[]: https://github.com/swick/node-gir
[00:29] tmpvar: junkee[], you might want to ask creationix
[00:29] Aabhas: jerrysv let em check what output
[00:29] Aabhas: using npm manager 
[00:30] junkee[]: tmpvar: he is not very interested in the project anymore
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[00:30] tmpvar: junkee[], I had a conversation about it 2 days ago with him
[00:31] tmpvar: he seemed interested then, heh
[00:31] junkee[]: tmpvar: that is surprising. he does not really respose to my messages on github
[00:32] junkee[]: maybe my english is just that bad :/
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[00:32] tmpvar: junkee[], or he's just super busy
[00:32] junkee[]: and I somehow never find him on irc
[00:33] junkee[]: possible
[00:33] tmpvar: yeah, he actually showed me your project and seemed pretty excited
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[00:37] junkee[]: tmpvar: when do I have to be here to meet him?
[00:38] AvianFlu: he was here this morning
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[00:38] AvianFlu: like 11am @ GMT - 7
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[00:39] junkee[]: thx, AvianFlu
[00:39] Ozymandus: Hey @AvianFlu. Just a note: I like ur work on Github. Good stuff
[00:39] AvianFlu: thanks!
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[00:40] JakeyChan: what is the difference between exports and module.exports
[00:40] junkee[]: nothing
[00:41] junkee[]: u can just override the exports with module.exports = whatever; which does not work with exports = whatver;
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[00:42] JakeyChan: I do not think so 
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[00:42] JakeyChan: the api said they are same
[00:43] JakeyChan: but I get problem 
[00:43] JakeyChan: look
[00:43] JakeyChan: function Server () {
[00:43] JakeyChan: 	
[00:43] JakeyChan: }
[00:43] JakeyChan: Server.prototype.init = function () {
[00:43] JakeyChan: 	console.log('Hello world');
[00:43] JakeyChan: };
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[00:43] bnoordhuis: JakeyChan: module.exports lets you export an object in one go
[00:44] bnoordhuis: JakeyChan: e.g. module.exports = new MyCustomObject();
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[00:44] JakeyChan: how about module.exports = MyCustomObject ? I did not instance it 
[00:45] JakeyChan: can it work ?
[00:45] bnoordhuis: JakeyChan: that works too
[00:45] JakeyChan: then how about this one : exports = MyCustomObject ??
[00:45] jyap: 'sudo npm -g install dateformat' installs to '/usr/lib/node_modules/dateformat' but i find i always need to install modules as local use or they can't be found.  eg. Error: Cannot find module 'dateformat'  --> i'm missing something on install?
[00:45] JakeyChan: can it work ? 
[00:47] junkee[]: JakeyChan: i dont think so but just try it
[00:48] JakeyChan: junkee[]: I tried, and it can not work :( I do not know why 
[00:49] bnoordhuis: JakeyChan: because exports is a reference to an object and you're reassigning it
[00:50] jyap: and even then, i'm installing modules to the local path: ./node_modules/dateformat
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[00:50] jmoyers: -g is for binaries
[00:50] jmoyers: jyap install locally
[00:50] jyap: is node meant to read a global module path?
[00:51] tmpvar: jyap, not any more
[00:51] JakeyChan: bnoordhuis: do not understand that :(
[00:51] aho: <***> for me, the problem with node docs is too much information is in prose
[00:51] aho: <***> and I'm not good enough to write an English-parsing script ;)
[00:51] aho: fwiw, i fully agree with that
[00:51] jmoyers: jyap i believe you can also use npm link {package} if its installed globally
[00:51] jyap: hmm, that's strange.  for security concerns?
[00:52] jmoyers: but, you still have to run the npm link locally
[00:52] jyap: i'm coming from python so i'm accustomed to install module once, available everywhere
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[00:52] jmoyers: yeah, not how npm works anymore
[00:52] bnoordhuis: JakeyChan: exports points to an object x that node manages. when you do `exports = foo`, you're making exports point to another object - but node still uses object x
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[00:53] jyap: what do you mean '-g' for binaries.  -g == global
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[00:57] aho: whoops... all frag links in the 0.5.6 docs are broken
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[00:58] aho: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.5.6/api/buffers.html#new_Buffer_ <- each of them got a dangling underscore which doesnt exist in the id
[00:58] JakeyChan: bnoordhuis: ok, I got the idea :D
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[00:59] bnoordhuis: aho: right, we'll fix it
[00:59] bnoordhuis: good catch btw :)
[00:59] aho: :)
[01:00] aho: are there plans to make the docs more... uhm... parseable?
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[01:02] aho: for one, it makes them easier to read if you don't have to skim through random prose. secondly, if they are machine readable you can generate context sensitive help stuff for IDEs
[01:03] incredimike: got an HTTP question for anyone in-the-know.. an API is responding with "HTTP/1.1 100 Continue\n\nHTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request" then the rest of the headers. Is it appropriate to have a status code, then another status code like that?
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[01:04] seebees: aho: I agree, it would be cool if the docs were parseable
[01:05] aho: ideally, they'd also exist in a deserializable format (e.g. json)
[01:05] Nuck: They're markdown
[01:05] seebees: yes, I know
[01:05] Nuck: Just a bunch of markdown
[01:05] aho: yes
[01:05] incredimike: yeah, I guess it is according to google
[01:05] aho: so which of those things are functions
[01:05] aho: which are fields
[01:06] seebees: and you can kind of parse the markdown
[01:06] aho: what is returned
[01:06] aho: what are the parameters and what are they good for?
[01:06] aho: y'know... stuff like that
[01:06] junkee[]: i think you wish something like g object introspection, just a bit easier
[01:06] Nuck: I'd take the higher quality hand-written docs for humans than some silly parsable format, honestly.
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[01:07] Nuck: I prefer verbosity for the sake of clarity
[01:08] seebees: hum, that is true, but it should be possible to have something that is verbose and parseable?
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[01:08] aho: yes
[01:08] Nuck: Yeah, using HTML tags
[01:08] aho: see java's docs
[01:08] Nuck: But that means nilot using markdown
[01:08] aho: no matter how much you might hate it, its docs are top notch
[01:09] Nuck: Which I think would make our docs be lower quality
[01:09] Nuck: I think node's docs are some of the best
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[01:09] seebees: why?  I would use markdown.  Just a few standards and you could parse them.
[01:10] seebees: right now the module name is the html file name
[01:10] seebees: and all the methods have a ### desc.
[01:10] aho: aaand... that's about it :)
[01:10] aho: well, you can infer some details
[01:10] seebees: All you need is something like a table that describes calling/return stuff
[01:11] seebees: I don't think it should be either/or.  It should be and :)
[01:11] aho: "new ..." = constructor. "[a-z]+\.blabla(...)" = instance method. "[a-z]+\.blabla" = field etc
[01:11] aho: ye
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[01:12] aho: type, signature (if any), short description, parameters and their purpose, return (if any), and finally a long description (if available)
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[01:13] seebees: I think that to parse the current docs all you need to deal with is the Events.  And that may be as simple as looking for :
[01:14] seebees: functions have (, properties don't
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[01:35] skunkape: using mongoose, how can you find a record with an embedded record that has a certain value? I'm trying to do something like this: Scan.findOne({ target: { 'hosts': target } }, function(err, doc){...
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[01:40] Nuck: Lol I've started backing up my music over SFTP, and it's got 7-8 hours left
[01:40] skunkape: damn thats a lot
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[01:52] seebees: is it irrational to expect that a Socket that is paused on a server would emit pause on the client?
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[01:55] jerrysv: has anyone written a pub/sub system for mongo that works with node?
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[02:35] hermanjunge: hi
[02:35] hermanjunge: does somebody have an url of an example of session management using express and redis?
[02:35] hermanjunge: I'm having _stupid_ problems trying to set up express to use a RedisStore
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[02:40] marcello3d: hallo
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[02:40] marcello3d: how do I deal with instanceof when working across contexts?
[02:41] marcello3d: because instanceof Function / instanceof Date / instanceof RegExp don't work
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[02:49] SubStack: marcello3d: you can check d.constructor.name
[02:49] marcello3d: and hope no one makes similarly named classes? :)
[02:49] SubStack: or compare the keys in Object.keys(Object.getPrototypeOf(obj))
[02:49] Nuck: What's the best way of inheritance for prototypes on the browser side?
[02:49] SubStack: yeah
[02:49] marcello3d: hmmm
[02:49] marcello3d: and then typeof for functions?
[02:50] Nuck: God I wish I could do "Self inherits User"
[02:50] Nuck: So bad
[02:50] SubStack: s/keys/getOwnPropertyNames/
[02:50] marcello3d: Object.keys is probably a bit too expensive
[02:50] SubStack: marcello3d: could work, depends on how performant you need it to be
[02:50] marcello3d: yea, this is for bson serialization/deserialization
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[02:51] Nuck: marcello3d: Isn't there a module for that?
[02:51] Nuck: I think it's called "mongo-native"
[02:51] Nuck: :P
[02:51] marcello3d: yea
[02:51] marcello3d: mine's faster :)
[02:51] Nuck: oooh fancy
[02:51] marcello3d: but that's not the point
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[02:52] Nuck: So, can somebody point me to the closest thing to "Foo inherits Bar" in a client-side JS environment?
[02:52] Nuck: (that is, cross-browser)
[02:52] marcello3d: Foo.protoype = new Bar ?
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[02:53] marcello3d: or use one of the myriad of javascript libraries that tries to copy classical c++/java inheritance
[02:53] Nuck: I think I'll just steal Node's utils function
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[02:54] marcello3d: doesn't it use ecma5?
[02:55] marcello3d: and thus not cross browser
[02:57] Nuck: I'm sure I can make it cross-browser with some tweaking
[02:57] marcello3d: ok :)
[02:57] marcello3d: https://github.com/marcello3d/alt/blob/master/src/alt.js
[02:58] marcello3d: little class inheritance ditty I wrote a while back
[02:58] Nuck: I don't want class inheritance
[02:58] marcello3d: where you basically do var Foo = Bar.subclass() 
[02:58] Nuck: haha no thanks
[02:58] Nuck: I stick to prototypes
[02:58] marcello3d: it uses prototypes
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[02:59] marcello3d: pretty lightweight for what it gives you
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[03:12] Nuck: hmmm
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[03:19] CIA-30: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r8821eb2 10/ doc/index.html : Correct date - http://git.io/ajebjA
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[03:22] marcello3d: I dunno ryah, forging dates
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[03:33] marcello3d: v0.1.11 released! https://github.com/marcello3d/node-mongolian
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[03:41] Nuck: Okay, so why does Node set the constructor?
[03:42] Nuck: in utils.inherits
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[03:54] vicapow: anyone know how i can be notified if a model is removed in mongoose?
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[03:54] vicapow: if any* model is removed form a particular collection
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[03:59] chapel: vicapow: you can do pre/post save actions
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[03:59] vicapow: chapel: I know but i'd like to be notified of removal
[03:59] polotek: does 0.5.6 use libuv by default?
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[04:00] chapel: vicapow: can do pre remove
[04:01] chapel: http://mongoosejs.com/docs/middleware.html
[04:01] vicapow: chapel: doesn't seem to work
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[04:01] bogdanbiv: hello
[04:02] bogdanbiv: Hi
[04:03] chapel: got a code example of what you are trying to do
[04:03] polotek: bogdanbiv: hey
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[04:05] bogdanbiv: My npm install works just fine when I tell it npm install -g forever, but crashes when I tell it to "explore": npm explore npm
[04:06] bogdanbiv: Now I don't understand explore enough to care about it, but I've read it's a way to check my install.
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[04:06] bogdanbiv: What should I do with it?
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[04:07] polotek: bogdanbiv: what version of node are you using?
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[04:10] polotek: bogdanbiv: I get errors when trying to explore npm. Try some other module
[04:10] polotek: that works fine for me
[04:10] polotek: ryah: you around?
[04:12] bogdanbiv: Here is my log: http://pastebin.com/aqvdXEsV
[04:13] polotek: looks like it's working fine
[04:13] bogdanbiv: Most of all, I would like to understand NPM better.
[04:13] polotek: the only thing that doesn't work is npm explore npm
[04:13] polotek: maybe it's a little too meta ;)
[04:13] bogdanbiv: I see
[04:14] polotek: bogdanbiv: ah, if you're not familiar with npm that makes a little more sense
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[04:14] polotek: are you sure you want npm explore?
[04:14] polotek: try npm ls
[04:14] polotek: that will list the currently installed modules for your local directory
[04:14] bogdanbiv: ls works great
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[04:15] polotek: and npm ls -g will show you globally installed modules
[04:15] polotek: remember that global modules are NOT automatically available in your local directory
[04:15] polotek: -g is mostly for modules with command line utilities
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[04:18] bogdanbiv: aha, good to know
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[04:20] bogdanbiv: well, then, thanks for helping me clear the NPM image in my mind
[04:20] bogdanbiv: I'll be going now, see you around
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[04:26] polotek: bogdanbiv: no problem
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[04:27] polotek: the answer to my earlier question is yes. 0.5.6 uses libuv by default
[04:29] bogdanbiv: libuv is the library that node needs for windows compatibility?
[04:29] bogdanbiv: the one Ryah is working on?
[04:29] polotek: bogdanbiv: yeah
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[04:31] bogdanbiv: I'm holding my breath until he releases it, it'll do wonders :).
[04:32] bogdanbiv: bye
[04:33] konobi: bogdanbiv: you mean the release that just went out?
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[04:38] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03brighthas: A module and B module depend, then have bug. - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1677
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[04:55] kevin: hi
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[04:56] polotek: kevin: hey
[04:56] kevin: i am having some problems installing npm :)
[04:56] kevin: just wondering if anyone could help me out
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[04:56] kevin: it says npm-install-2458.sh: line 211:  2575 Abort trap: 6           "$node" cli.js install -gf It failed
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[04:56] kevin: and the install stopped
[04:56] kevin: and i have no npm on the system
[04:57] kevin: i ran the instructions on https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Installation for node
[04:57] kevin: node seems to work fine
[04:58] kevin: anyone knows what's wrong with this?
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[04:59] polotek: kevin: are you using the latest node version? 0.5.6
[04:59] polotek: it's broken
[04:59] kevin: i just installed it from git
[04:59] kevin: so i guess it's the most current
[04:59] kevin: ?
[04:59] kevin: let me check the main trunk
[05:00] kevin: oh yea
[05:00] kevin: i'm using 0.5.6
[05:00] kevin: do i roll back?
[05:00] AAA_awright: We need a replacement for npm, DOWNLOADING A BUNCH OF FILES ISN'T THAT HARD PEOPLE
[05:00] kevin: ahah
[05:01] kevin: let me roll back and try again
[05:01] kevin: :)
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[05:04] tmpvar: AAA_awright, huh?
[05:04] tmpvar: polotek, yo
[05:05] polotek: tmpvar: what up
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[05:05] tmpvar: chillin, working on some zlib stuff
[05:05] tmpvar: yourself?
[05:05] polotek: kevin: nave is a really nice utility for managing node versions
[05:05] polotek: looking at libxmljs. it's totally busted in 0.5.x :)
[05:06] polotek: AAA_awright: nobody's forcing you to use npm
[05:06] polotek: copying files into node_modules folder works great
[05:06] kevin: alright
[05:06] kevin: i have a question
[05:07] kevin: i've used npm once in my project directory
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[05:07] kevin: it seems to install the new module within my project directory
[05:07] kevin: is that the correct way
[05:07] kevin: ?
[05:07] kevin: to use npm?
[05:07] kevin: or should i install the new module in my node directory
[05:08] kevin: my program worked
[05:08] polotek: kevin: nope, local install is the correct default
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[05:08] kevin: so i should actually call npm within my node directory you mean?
[05:08] polotek: The idea is that your project contains all of the code. No linking out to other random folders
[05:08] AAA_awright: polotek: It's darn near impossible to install an application without it
[05:08] polotek: no bothering with different version between projects
[05:08] polotek: it's nice
[05:08] polotek: AAA_awright: howzat?
[05:09] AAA_awright: No one links to the Git repositories or anything
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[05:09] kevin: hi noodlehaus
[05:09] kevin: you're from singapore?
[05:09] AAA_awright: package.json is not, in fact, a good way to load dependencies
[05:10] polotek: AAA_awright: I agree that there needs to be more metadata with projects
[05:10] polotek: but that's only because node is so new. most modules are pretty raw and you need the source
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[05:10] kevin: do i have to navigate to the node folder before i call my npm?
[05:10] polotek: but it's not always necessary to know where the source repo is
[05:11] polotek: and most of the time searching on github will find it
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[05:11] polotek: you could also combine npm with more traditional methods
[05:12] polotek: git submodules, maybe
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[05:28] pixel13: good evening!
[05:28] pixel13: anyone know how to convert input from "process.openStdin()" buffer into a variable? (e.g. <Buffer 32 0a> should == 3)
[05:29] pixel13: I can only show "3" using console.log() — but I'd like to turn STDIN into a JavaScript variable
[05:30] pixel13: I've also tried toString() on the buffer, but without luck :(
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[05:30] polotek: pixel13: just toString it
[05:30] polotek: pixel13: maybe you can gist some code
[05:30] polotek: toString should work
[05:30] pixel13: nm… it was the parseInt() AFTER the toString() that was bombing
[05:31] pixel13: sorry guys!
[05:31] polotek: v8bot_: 1 + 1
[05:31] polotek: hmm, guess v8bot_ is no good
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[05:57] polotek: anybody ever use express-resource for rest apis?
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[06:28] Nuck|mobile: polotek: v8bot_ is fine, it's just "v8: code"
[06:29] Nuck|mobile: v8: function() { return 'foo'; }()
[06:29] v8bot_: Nuck|mobile: SyntaxError: Unexpected token (
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[06:29] Nuck|mobile: Lol
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[06:31] chilts: v8: (function hello(salutation) { return salutation; })("Hello, World!")
[06:31] v8bot_: chilts: "Hello, World!"
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[06:58] hacksparrow: hey what does $NODE_PATH refer to? the bin location of node?
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[06:59] tmzt: hacksparrow: where it finds .js and I think libraries it requires
[07:00] polotek: hacksparrow: correct, it basically adds another location that node will look in for modules
[07:00] hacksparrow: right now it is empty for me, could it cause any problem in npm installations? Express installed successfully, but Nowjs is failing.
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[07:03] polotek: what's the error?
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[07:05] hacksparrow: https://github.com/Flotype/now/issues/136
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[07:09] Nuck: le sigh
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[07:10] Nuck: Why did JS get prototypes while Java got Classes?s
[07:10] Nuck: Wasn't the goal to make something Java-ish
[07:11] Lorentz: No
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[07:12] polotek: hacksparrow: you should indent output at least 4 spaces when pasting in github issues. makes formatting nicer.
[07:12] polotek: other than that, I don't have much help for you :)
[07:12] polotek: looks like a problem with the tarball
[07:13] Lorentz: Nuck: Was never meant to be like java
[07:13] Lorentz: It's just the na,e
[07:13] Lorentz: name.
[07:13] Nuck: Lorentz: From reading Brendan Eich's blog, I'd say otherwise :V
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[07:14] hacksparrow: JavaScript is more influenced by Scheme http://www.crockford.com/javascript/little.html . The Java in JavaScript was more of a marketing trick.
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[07:14] Nuck: ah
[07:14] hacksparrow: polotek, thanks for the tip!
[07:14] Nuck: hmmm
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[07:15] polotek: not only a marketing trick. eich definitely wanted the syntax to be familiar
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[07:16] hacksparrow: Which it is to C already.
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[07:49] temongantengbgt: how to refresh the node js server?
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[08:05] AAA_awright: temongantengbgt: What do you mean "how to?"
[08:06] temongantengbgt: if I change the js server script, its auto restart the server
[08:06] temongantengbgt: because I must kill the process... if want see my server change...
[08:06] temongantengbgt: its suck
[08:07] dexter_e: For  OS X  What do you guys recommend for automatically-restarting the server on file changes and errors?
[08:08] dexter_e: supervisor? monit? What do you guys think is the simplest solution
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[08:10] dexter_e: nodemon  vs. supervisor  ... recommendations ?
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[08:47] CIA-30: libuv: 03Erick Tryzelaar 07master * refa1b54 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
[08:47] CIA-30: libuv: Subclass uv_getaddrinfo_t from uv_req_t.
[08:47] CIA-30: libuv: This patch also fixes #155. Since we no longer
[08:47] CIA-30: libuv: memset clear the uv_getaddrinfo_t, the user can
[08:47] CIA-30: libuv: now set the `uv_getaddrinfo_t->data` field without
[08:47] CIA-30: libuv: problems. - http://git.io/5jEkMw
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[09:25] temongantengbgt: any one help me?
[09:25] temongantengbgt: I just upgrade to nodejs 0.411 from 0.22
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[09:26] temongantengbgt: i get error .... TypeError: Object #<ServerResponse> has no method 'close'
[09:26] temongantengbgt: on response.close();
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[09:34] Fabryz: temongantengbgt I guess that changed in response.end();
[09:35] temongantengbgt: yes... I get it!
[09:35] temongantengbgt: thanks
[09:35] Fabryz: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.11/api/http.html#http.ServerResponse
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[10:48] yorick: was v0.5.6 not tagged?
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[10:49] yorick: ryah: git tag v0.5.6 b49bec55
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[10:52] DrMcKay: yorick: it's still RC
[10:52] yorick: v0.5.5 was tagged
[10:53] DrMcKay: yorick: v0.5.6 will be as well, but it's still a release candidate
[10:56] yorick: ok
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[11:06] yorick: it did fail to build too
[11:06] DrMcKay: yorick: log?
[11:12] jetienne: hi
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[11:16] yorick: DrMcKay: /home/yorick/node/node/out/Release/deps/uv/uv.a(core.o): In function `uv_init':
[11:16] yorick: /home/yorick/node/node/out/Release/deps/uv/src/unix/core.c:68: multiple definition of `uv_init'
[11:16] yorick: /home/yorick/node/node/out/Release/deps/uv/uv.a(uv-unix.o):/home/yorick/node/node/out/Release/deps/uv/src/uv-unix.c:322: first defined here
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[11:17] DrMcKay: yorick: make distclean && ccache -C
[11:18] yorick: DrMcKay: isn't the idea that incremental builds work?
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[11:19] DrMcKay: yorick: linker sometimes does crazy things wehn doing incremental build
[11:19] DrMcKay: it once got me a segfauilting node binary
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[11:19] DrMcKay: *segfaulting
[11:20] yorick: how useful.
[11:20] yorick: anyways, is there any way I can connect to DB2 from node?
[11:20] yorick: I found node-odbc, but it looks kindof unstable, and doesn't have prepared statements
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[12:19] temongantengbgt: in 0.4.11 version, sendwriteHeadHeader replace with??
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[12:28] dmkbot: joyent/node: 03pimvdb: Feature request: passing an object to emitter.on - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1678
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[13:41] zastaph: on Ubuntu is it recommended to install node from apt-get or sources
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[13:42] misterm: zastaph: the packages are probably out of date
[13:42] stride: I'd say source, the official repo is always pretty out of date (at least last I've checked). there was a more current apt repo though, don't know where or if it's still maintained
[13:43] misterm: zastaph: so it's probably better to install from source
[13:43] zastaph: ok thanks
[13:43] misterm: node is pretty straigh forward configure make make install deal, not a lot of deps either
[13:44] zastaph: http://www.codediesel.com/linux/installing-node-js-on-ubuntu-10-04/ says you need sudo apt-get install g++ curl libssl-dev apache2-utils
[13:44] stride: jetienne: you maintained that repo, didn't you?
[13:44] DrMcKay: only deps you will probably need to install is openssl-dev, I suppose
[13:44] stride: plus the build stuff
[13:44] jetienne: stride: ?
[13:45] jetienne: stride: what is happening i dont follow
[13:45] stride: jetienne: didn't you setup an apt repository? nevermind :)
[13:45] jetienne: stride: i maintain node .deb for a year or so, yes
[13:45] jetienne: maintained
[13:47] DrMcKay: I wonder if node will be available for Fedora 16
[13:47] DrMcKay: I somehow can't find that bugzilla ticket
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[13:54] Fabryz: can I make spans in Jade?
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[13:54] Fabryz: I need to make a span so I can do stuff with its id
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[14:01] mrdoodles: hey everyone, i guess i might post on node jobs, but i got picked up by an awesome startup and am working insane hours. i built most of an extranet for my girlfriend (node/mongo/mongoose/express) but need someone to finish it. she's a respected real estate firm owner looking to hire someone. /msg me if anyone is i interested? it's hard to find n ode people apparently :P
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[14:25] zastaph: building node.js on ubuntu took only about 5 minutes, where it takes about 30-60 on debian both running in virtualbox :p
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[14:25] zastaph: ah even less. it says 2m45
[14:26] mrdoodles: zastaph: using rackspace? love ubuntu/node it's so fast
[14:26] mrdoodles: I think we had mongo, node everything setup in like 8 minutes
[14:26] mrdoodles: hah
[14:26] zastaph: no on my own laptop
[14:27] zastaph: ok i might have added more cores for my ubuntu vbox
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[14:28] mrdoodles: sweet
[14:30] zastaph: the installation asked me to mkdir ~/local .. but that folder is empty still.. is it needed?
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[14:35] mrdoodles: it installs it user local vs. root/ystem wide
[14:35] mrdoodles: do the ~/local
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[14:41] zastaph: do it?
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[14:43] japj: ./configure --prefix=~/local I believe
[14:43] japj: then the make install will install in ~/local
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[14:44] misterm: ./configure --prefix=$HOME/local/node
[14:44] misterm: something like that
[14:45] misterm: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Installation
[14:45] dmkbot1: joyent/libuv: 03erickt: Fixed a typo that breaks windows build - https://github.com/joyent/libuv/issues/183
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[14:49] CIA-30: libuv: 03Erick Tryzelaar 07master * raf936a9 10/ src/win/getaddrinfo.c : Fix a typo that broke windows compilation. - http://git.io/XbVK7w
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[14:55] dmkbot1: joyent/node: 03ry: test-child-process-ipc broken on unix - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1655
[14:55] dmkbot1: joyent/node: 03piscisaureus: windows/spawn asserts w/ invalid argument - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1659
[14:55] dmkbot1: joyent/node: 03mranney: https server emits uncatchable errors - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1577
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[14:58] mape: Anyone know of a module/project that does what http://www.hidemyass.com/ does in node.js?
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[15:00] dmkbot1: joyent/libuv: 03erickt: Fix compiling windows - https://github.com/joyent/libuv/issues/184
[15:00] dmkbot1: joyent/libuv: 03erickt: Fix compiling on windows - https://github.com/joyent/libuv/issues/184
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[15:01] Aikar: mape: doubt a system is built for node. its a concept so many try to do and implement it horribly. the proxying part is easy, correctly rewriting every url on the page to be proxied and proxied with the correct domain for relative paths is the hard part
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[15:02] mape: yeah
[15:02] mape: really all I want is to get around the cross origin issues when I show a site in an iframe
[15:02] Aikar: if your just looking to host your own ad-free version, look at CGI-Proxy
[15:03] Aikar: its perl i believe but its a long time stable project
[15:03] mape: I really would want it bundled so js is prefferable but yeah..
[15:04] Aikar: you want to access data about the child iframe? that gets iffy... if your trying to read cookies and so that would be technically phishing.. if its a site you own and your trying to communicate javascript wise, you should prolly just use the browsers iframe IPC system
[15:05] Aikar: iframes support a post/receive message system
[15:05] Aikar: its how facebook handles its apps in an iframe
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[15:06] mape: Aikar: http://pix.thefarm.se/mape/20110910170716/
[15:06] mape: what I'm doing is enabling me to watch a dir for changes, then add an url
[15:06] mape: and that should autoreload when a file is changed
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[15:07] Aikar: auto reload url on change?
[15:07] mape: but the issue now is that I can't update the url if I move around in the iframe, so it always reloads back to what you entered
[15:07] Aikar: is this for your own personal use?
[15:07] mape: and I'd preffer if I could reload the css without reloading the entire page
[15:07] mape: yeah
[15:07] Aikar: may wanna look at doing it with GreaseMonkey instead
[15:08] Aikar: or however you install userscripts in chrome
[15:08] mape: but I will open source it so it should be as easy as npm install -g hotcode
[15:08] Aikar: inject your own js into every page
[15:08] mape: Yeah I've been using glimmerblocker
[15:08] mape: just not optimal
[15:09] Aikar: its def doable in node, but would prolly be easier as a browser injected js file
[15:09] Aikar: but be careful of spam sending post data :P
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[15:09] mape: spam sending post data?
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[15:10] Aikar: reloading a page you POSTed too
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[15:10] Aikar: ie some form that opens an issue or sends an email, then you bomb something with flooded emails/issues
[15:10] mape: oh yeah
[15:11] mape: should be equally bad as refreshing though
[15:12] Aikar: yeah but youd least be manually invoking the refresh, where as your system will be doing it secretly in the background and you could "forget" :P
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[15:12] mape: true
[15:12] mape: wished there could just be a trigger to turn off cross origin security in chrome :/
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[15:14] Aikar: welp good luck, time to go hit compusa. need to get a better router and a NAS. gonna get that Netgear that designed to run DD-WRT :o
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[15:15] Aikar: my old DD-WRT routers are 802.11G... so yeah need a new N one for DD
[15:15] Aikar: my networking is getting insane
[15:15] mape: hehe
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[15:17] Aikar: i have a POS Ubee Cable Modem router combo. it blew chunks, so i switched it to bridge mode with a cheapo wireless n netgear router on top of it to act as router, then a cable to a switch on my desk to go to laptop (which parks at my TV) and desktop. then downstairs a Wireless N Bridge at bottom of stairway, with a 50ft cable running to other corner of house with another switch to handle 360/HTPC
[15:17] Aikar: ive been through so many things trying to get this crap right
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[15:28] junkee[]: I think I found a memory leek in node_string.cc while debugging my own addon :)
[15:30] dmkbot1: joyent/node: 03indutny: High-level debugger API - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1667
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[15:59] v_y: i'm making a multiplayer game using socket.io - i want a single instance of the server to handle multiple game rooms. at the moment, the player makes a seperate socket.io connection for every game room they enter, even if they are just browsing between rooms looking for a free seat. is that reasonable? the alternative is somehow multiplexing a single socket.io connection, but i feel like that's what tcp/ip already does for me, so i should "reimplement" it
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[16:02] mape: v_y: look at rooms
[16:02] mape: think they were added in 0.7
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[16:03] v_y: oh wow!
[16:03] mape: v_y: https://github.com/mape/node-express-boilerplate/blob/master/lib/socket-io-server.js#L22
[16:03] mape: somethink like that
[16:04] mape: and having the user join a room (their own unique room) based on session id might also be a good idea if you want to send data and they have multiple tabs open
[16:04] v_y: wow.. i'm still on .6
[16:04] v_y: yeah
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[16:09] garrensmith: whats the easiest way to convert and an object array to a json array?
[16:10] Fabryz: garrensmith stuff = Json.stringify(your_array) ?
[16:10] Fabryz: JSON*
[16:11] garrensmith: Fabryz: thanks
[16:11] Sorella: iirc, JSON.stringify won't serialise custom properties set in an array object.
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[16:15] garrensmith: I want to boostrap my backbone models using jade like this http://documentcloud.github.com/backbone/#FAQ-bootstrap
[16:15] garrensmith: any ideas on how to do that
[16:15] ding: Running into a problem when trying to rename keys in JSON. TThe method I have works fine in a basic test script, but then doesn't work when I insert the function into my node.js app. I have to stringify and parse for it to work. Can someone have a peek? Here's the code: http://pastebin.com/EprimyCM
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[16:20] stagas: ding: maybe a bug in v8
[16:21] ding: stagas, it certainly seems that way. What bothers me is the same code works in one trivial situation, but then not when inserted into the real app...
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[16:22] ding: I'd reather not stringify and parse everytime I return a result if all I want to do is rename a key...
[16:22] ding: * rather
[16:23] stagas: ding: ask again in #v8 ?
[16:23] TheJH: ding, you should really be able to omit `JSON.parse(JSON.stringify())`
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[16:23] stagas: or post an issue
[16:23] TheJH: ah, wait, I'm missing some context, right?
[16:24] TheJH: ding, does a simple deep copy solve it, too?
[16:24] ding: stagas, thanks. I guess I just needed another set of eyes before going that next step.
[16:24] TheJH: ding, are you using a couchdb orm or something like that?
[16:24] ding: TheJH, I guess I'm doing the stringify/parse to do the deep copy...
[16:25] DrMcKay: wait, what?
[16:25] TheJH: DrMcKay, ?
[16:25] DrMcKay: deep copying by stringify and parse sounds like a blasphemy to me
[16:25] ding: TheJH, I'm using cradle (npm module) to query couch, but it's the raw JSON as far as I now...
[16:26] ding: know
[16:26] ding: DrMcKay, I agree, but I was just messing around in an effort to just get it to work...
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[16:26] TheJH: ding, couchdb does some kind of caching
[16:27] stagas: ding: put the second in a try catch block and see if it works :P
[16:27] TheJH: erm, I mean, cradle does it
[16:27] stagas: ding: if it's an optimization bug in v8 that may fix it
[16:27] ding: TheJH, that's turned off in my code, but at any rate, this is well after the query is completed and the JSON data is returned...
[16:27] stagas: :P
[16:27] ding: stagas, I'll try it
[16:28] TheJH: ding, in what way is your code not working?
[16:28] TheJH: throws an error?
[16:29] ding: stagas, TheJH, the weird thing is that when I delete ._id, both .id AND ._id get removed... No exception, no error of any kind, just not the right behavior...
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[16:29] ding: This is node 0.4.10, so I'm trying to determine the version of V8 in use here...
[16:29] DrMcKay: you want to prevent deletion?
[16:29] DrMcKay: there was a method to do that
[16:30] DrMcKay: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Object/seal
[16:30] ding: well, couchdb docs, have an a field called "_id", but I want that renamed to just "id" (no underscore), but I end up losing both in the broken method.
[16:31] DrMcKay: no wai
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[16:31] TheJH: ding, does __lookupGetter__ show anything for id or _id?
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[16:32] ding: TheJH, not familiar with that, so I'll look it up now
[16:32] TheJH: ding, https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Object/lookupGetter
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[16:37] DrMcKay: uh, oh. it happens with regular arrays
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[16:40] ding: TheJH, seems the version of V8 that got bundled into my node.js is 3.1.8. It's fairly new (changelog says 2011-03-02), but maybe there's a bug filed against this version. Looking...
[16:41] DrMcKay: ding: just do a deep copy of it
[16:41] stagas: ding: try this: new_data._id = undefined; delete new_data._id;
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[16:45] ding: DrMcKay, will do. But, I think there's still a problem somewhere here...
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[16:45] DrMcKay: ding: this is the situation where JS behaves like Python when you don't want it to
[16:45] DrMcKay: ding: and yes, it's a bit weird, I'd have to see specification
[16:46] DrMcKay: and since the specification is esentially unreadable for humans...
[16:47] ding: stagas, tried that last suggestion. Didn't help...
[16:47] ding: deep copy next
[16:48] ding: is there an easy idiomatic way to do that?
[16:48] DrMcKay: !npm search deep
[16:48] jhbot: package rimraf: A deep deletion module for node (like `rm -rf`)
[16:48] jhbot: package clone: deep cloning of objects and arrays
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[16:49] DrMcKay: ding: this clone package, maybe?
[16:49] ding: cool
[16:50] ZedPepsi: Greetings! I have a simple question: I want to read all of stdin into a string. What's the simplest bestest synchronous way of doing this? (I'm essentially writing a little command-line tool that I need for my project).
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[16:51] ZedPepsi: I know about process.stdin and in principle I can read it asynchrnously but that's a lot more verbose than fs.readFileSync
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[16:53] ding: DrMcKay, stagas, cloning fixes it...
[16:53] DrMcKay: btw, lol @ http://search.npmjs.org/#/marak 
[16:54] stagas: ding: in the test script do you still fetch from cradle or with a dummy json ?
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[16:59] ZedPepsi: no answers to my problem?
[16:59] ZedPepsi: or suggestions?
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[17:00] TheJH: ZedPepsi, fs.readFile("/dev/stdin", "utf8", function(err, contents) {...}) maybe?
[17:00] ZedPepsi: TheJH: thank you for this suggestion. I can say that I just tried var f = fs.readFileSync('/dev/stdin').toString(); and I got the following error message: Error: EAGAIN, Resource temporarily unavailable
[17:01] ding: stagas, it was just dummy json
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[17:01] TheJH: ZedPepsi, ah, ok
[17:01] ZedPepsi: little bit more of the stack trace shows it's in readSync:     at Object.readSync (fs.js:264:19)     at Object.readFileSync (fs.js:125:19) 
[17:01] ding: stagas, but I'll try cradle next just to see what happens...
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[17:02] ZedPepsi: TheJH: This may be a MacOS X misfeature though. I found a similar suggestion on stackoverflow but it does not seem to work for me! :(
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[17:02] TheJH: ZedPepsi, by the way, why do you ant to do it in a synchronous way?
[17:02] TheJH: *want
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[17:02] ZedPepsi: TheJH: because it is more succint. This JS file is not an interactive app
[17:02] ding: stagas, DrMcKay, TheJH: Thanks for your help. Was banging my head for a bit there...
[17:03] ZedPepsi: TheJH: This JS file is just a command-line tool that reads in a JSON file, checks that it parses, and spits out the SHA256 sum. it's just not the kind of app where you would normally need asynchronous reading. I can write it asynchronously but that's just overkill
[17:03] TheJH: ZedPepsi, depends on the files size :D
[17:04] ZedPepsi: TheJH: small text files
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[17:04] ZedPepsi: TheJH: file size is severely limited by other parts of the project
[17:04] TheJH: ZedPepsi, also, when you use it for files, why stdin?
[17:04] TheJH: ding, huh, did you figure out the reason?
[17:05] ZedPepsi: TheJH: because I do this before I store the file on the filesystem. The file is stored in a directory and name depending on its sha256 hash, which is what this script determines
[17:05] TheJH: ZedPepsi, why do you want to do the hashing and checking in a seperate process?
[17:06] ZedPepsi: if I have to store it first it creates extra bookkeeping and possibilities for stray temp files
[17:06] Raynos: Is life good?
[17:06] ZedPepsi: TheJH: because php 4.3 does not have SHA256 or JSON parsing.
[17:06] DrMcKay: Raynos: no.
[17:06] TheJH: AAAH, PHP!
[17:06] DrMcKay: 
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[17:06] ZedPepsi: TheJH: with apologies
[17:07] Raynos: DrMcKay: cancer? : (
[17:07] Raynos: ZedPepsi: port your PHP code to node.js, problem solved
[17:07] ZedPepsi: Raynos: not possible
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[17:08] Raynos: ZedPepsi: go cowboy / radar
[17:08] Raynos: Just do it. 
[17:09] ZedPepsi: Raynos: I don't understand what this means: "go cowboy / radar"
[17:09] DrMcKay: Raynos: I'm just quite depressed
[17:09] Raynos: DrMcKay: /manhug
[17:09] DrMcKay: ZedPepsi: just write it in async, one level of indent doesn't hurt
[17:09] Raynos: ZedPepsi: Ignore management, port it, deploy it, deal with consequences later
[17:09] ZedPepsi: DrMcKay: yes that's what it looks like it will be.
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[17:09] DrMcKay: Raynos: thanks :)
[17:10] DrMcKay: ZedPepsi: or wait, you need it for hashing files?
[17:10] Raynos: ZedPepsi: I think "go rogue" is a better phrase
[17:10] ZedPepsi: Raynos: Wrong context. I'm an academic with a project on my regular home page. I don't run any servers so I'm not installing anything. I am entirely uninterested in inheriting any sysadmin duties by making the sysadmin install special software which they will then not support or break periodically. Therefore, I am using the stuff they've already installed for everyone and which they must support.
[17:11] ZedPepsi: DrMcKay: precisely.
[17:11] DrMcKay: ZedPepsi: it's a unix system, it has to have openssl/sha256file installed
[17:12] Raynos: ZedPepsi: Buy domain, deploy to heroku, HTTP redirect from your academic home page to domain, HTTP redirect domain to heroku. Problem solved \o/
[17:12] ZedPepsi: [sl398@inchcape ~]$ sha256file sha256file: Command not found. 
[17:12] DrMcKay: *sha256sum
[17:12] DrMcKay: ZedPepsi: sha256sum something
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[17:13] ZedPepsi: Raynos: and suddenly I'm a sysadmin. No thanks!
[17:13] tmedema: Has anyone ever encountered this "Error 0" in console? http://img7.imagebanana.com/img/0v7sib80/Selection_014.png
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[17:13] ZedPepsi: DrMcKay: Good catch, that appears to be available. Any suggestions for JSON validation?
[17:13] Raynos: Meh heroku just updates itself from git
[17:13] DrMcKay: ZedPepsi: JSON.parse and catch exceptions?
[17:13] Raynos: You just git push your code to heroku and heroku reboots itself. I'm no sysadmin, but heroku is easy to use
[17:14] Raynos: Small sysadmin work or PHP. The former is defiantly the lesser of evils
[17:14] ZedPepsi: DrMcKay: that is what I am doing elsewhere, but recall the context here: how would you suggest I do this from the cmdline or within my php script? php has json parsing in 5.x but not in 4.3 which is what I have to deal with
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[17:15] TheJH: ZedPepsi, maybe there are libraries for it?
[17:15] ZedPepsi: TheJH: there is a JSON.php script but it seems to be too slow for me
[17:16] stagas: ding: hm cradle uses a lot of Object.defineProperty on the response object so that may be the issue, not a bug in v8
[17:16] ZedPepsi: it pegs the server in an unfortunate way
[17:16] TheJH: ZedPepsi, isn't it just an acedemic project?
[17:16] DrMcKay: also, has anyone seen Insekticid? (or is this his GH account: https://github.com/insekticid ?)
[17:16] stagas: ding: see here https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Object/defineProperty somewhere in the middle where it mentions delete behaviour
[17:16] ZedPepsi: TheJH: yes but it needs to run properly
[17:17] ZedPepsi: I guess I'll bite the bullet and use temp files
[17:17] DrMcKay: ZedPepsi: no offence, but aren't you sick on "I-won't-touch-anything-else-than-code" syndrome
[17:17] TheJH: ZedPepsi, you could just go to #nodejitsu , ask for an account and if they give you one, deploy whatever nodejs app you want to do to <name>.nodejitsu.com
[17:17] ZedPepsi: DrMcKay: I don't understand what you just said! :(
[17:17] TheJH: DrMcKay++
[17:17] v8bot_:  TheJH has given a beer to DrMcKay. DrMcKay now has 1 beers.
[17:17] catb0t: DrMcKay now has 1 beer
[17:18] ZedPepsi: TheJH: I will look into this
[17:18] DrMcKay: ZedPepsi: what TheJH said, your academic server is outdated, why don't you go and find something better?
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[17:18] ZedPepsi: DrMcKay: If this project pans out I surely will but not just yet.
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[17:19] TheJH: ZedPepsi, so you want to stay with PHP in case it grows?
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[17:20] ZedPepsi: TheJH: The php is just 15 lines and that will not grow. The thing that might grow is the files that are getting stored. If there are zillions it could use many gigabytes. Right now I can do that without paying anything and with proper support from our sysadmins.
[17:21] ZedPepsi: TheJH: If it really grows and the 15 lines of php do not scale, I can rewrite these 15 lines in anything and move to something else quite easily
[17:21] ZedPepsi: TheJH: in fact everything else is written in javascript, so the 15 lines of php are just to call into the javascript anyway
[17:21] TheJH: ZedPepsi, what is your project?
[17:21] Aikar: holy shit this Netgear N750 router is badass... if anyones looking for a high end N router, this seems nice. simultaneous dual band :o
[17:22] Aikar: price tag of 139.99 though ...
[17:22] ZedPepsi: TheJH: I can show you a very early beta version that is not available anywhere yet, so please do not circulate it. it is: http://www.ma.hw.ac.uk/~loisel/numeric/workshop.php?link=6b035104673d7847a8dd74b8d3b1a6dbe0034a50731fd2202208a27681d6811b
[17:22] ZedPepsi: TheJH: essentially, it's a set of numerical analysis functions
[17:23] TheJH: ZedPepsi, err... this channel has public logs
[17:23] ZedPepsi: that's fine
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[17:23] ZedPepsi: I don't care that it's logged somewhere, I'm just saying don't rely on any of this working tomorrow :)
[17:24] ZedPepsi: so if you go tell some friends that this is working and it's not working, you've been warned :)
[17:25] ZedPepsi: I've already circulated it to some colleagues. I'm rolling it out very slowly.
[17:25] TheJH: ah, ok
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[17:30] ZedPepsi: BTW, of these various nodejs hosting things, which are the good ones for me and my project?
[17:30] slickplaid: Oh, shoot. I guess I shouldn't have posted it to hackernews then.
[17:30] TheJH: slickplaid, :D
[17:31] DrMcKay: lol
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[17:31] DrMcKay: ZedPepsi: nodejitsu!
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[17:31] ZedPepsi: well I will advertise it soon-ish but not yet
[17:31] TheJH: ZedPepsi, the #nodejitsu guys are actively contributing much stuff, they have a head support guy who normally is in #nodejitsu, ...
[17:32] ZedPepsi: I will make sure to keep nodejitsu in mind
[17:32] TheJH: ZedPepsi, and they have a cool bot :D
[17:33] Raynos: ZedPepsi: I recommend nodejitsu and heroku
[17:33] Raynos: The former is awesome
[17:33] Raynos: The latter is the least hassle for a free service
[17:33] ZedPepsi: What are the nodejitsu "limits"? How much stuff can you store on their servers? If my database of little files grows to 30GB, what'll happen?
[17:33] Raynos: ZedPepsi: You work out a reasonable solution to the problem including some payment agreement
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[17:34] ZedPepsi: Yeah okay I understand. Eventually I could take some of my grant money for this but the advantage of using my university's servers is that they're free :)
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[17:35] Raynos: Yes, that is true
[17:35] Raynos: Well iriscloud is a solid no hassle couchdb service I have found
[17:35] Raynos: so you can use that as a database
[17:36] ZedPepsi: I don't know what a "couchdb" is
[17:37] Raynos: Its a database server like mongodb and redis
[17:37] Raynos: Its a noSQL thingie
[17:37] ZedPepsi: Okay... I'm not sure how this helps though. I'm sure they're going to want some cash too
[17:37] ZedPepsi: OK the wife summons me for dinner. I'll catch up later.
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[17:39] Raynos: you can just use a mysql server on your university servers for unlimited db \o/
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[17:44] TheJH: Raynos, only if they allow connections from outside to the DBs
[17:44] Raynos: TheJH: Why would they not ._.
[17:44] Raynos: go over there. hit him on the head, tell him to sort it out o/
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[17:54] CIA-30: node: 03Fedor Indutny 07master * r8c2c7bb 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
[17:54] CIA-30: node: vm context with accessors
[17:54] CIA-30: node: fixes #1673 - http://git.io/GdIChg
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[18:44] TheEmpath: Hail nodelings
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[18:48] tjgillies: is there a way to add a json block into an object like lets say i have function(thing){ thing += {foo: bar, biz:baz} }
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[18:50] jmoyers: not with += tjgillies 
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[18:50] jmoyers: http://documentcloud.github.com/underscore/#extend or similar tjgillies 
[18:51] tjgillies: jmoyers <- i assumed as much, i used it as a placeholder to inform other as to what i was trying to accomplish
[18:51] tjgillies: jmoyers <- thnx
[18:51] jmoyers: its also fairly easy to implement if you dont want to pull in underscore, https://github.com/documentcloud/underscore/blob/master/underscore.js#L576-583
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[18:53] tjgillies: awesome
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[18:54] tjgillies: would you consider prototyping and monkey patching to be synonomous?
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[19:00] jmoyers: nope
[19:00] jmoyers: tjgillies
[19:00] jmoyers: monkey patching usually refers to modifying someone elses library at runtime
[19:00] jmoyers: so modifying a prototype from outside the library
[19:00] jmoyers: doesn't have to be a prototype, either
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[19:02] tjgillies: jmoyers <- thnx
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[19:12] marcello3d: hello sweet peoples of #node.js!
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[19:20] dmkbot1: joyent/node: 03indutny: [script] remove obsolete 'using v8::Null' - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1680
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[19:23] KingCode: I need help
[19:23] KingCode: Can't run /bin/rebaseall
[19:23] KingCode: with following error: $ /bin/rebaseall -v ReBaseImage (/usr/bin/libhttpd.dll) failed with last error = 6
[19:24] KingCode: Any idea anyone? Thx
[19:24] marcello3d: new google docs is very greyscale :)
[19:24] marcello3d: what is rebaseall?
[19:25] KingCode: A cygwin script
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[19:25] KingCode: Trying to install node.js
[19:25] KingCode: on windows7 - tried all the blogs/tips, but to no avail..
[19:25] marcello3d: oh, I don't know how cygwin works.
[19:25] KingCode: OK..thx
[19:26] marcello3d: are you trying to run node 0.4.x or 0.5.x?
[19:26] KingCode: Install node 0.4.11
[19:26] marcello3d: cause I think 0.5.x, while unstable, is targeting native windows support (no cygwin needed)
[19:26] KingCode: Sure - I know about that....0.4.11 should work..
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[19:27] marcello3d: alright. well, good luck :)
[19:27] KingCode: This is a cygwin issue..very bad/quirky on Windows
[19:27] marcello3d: yea, I never could stand cygwin on windows, always just used mingw32
[19:27] KingCode: Thx anyway Marcello - what are you running Node.js on?
[19:27] tjgillies: whats the proper way to do foo = {a:b, "bar" +baz : fiz}
[19:27] marcello3d: currently os x
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[19:27] marcello3d: and linux on server
[19:28] KingCode: Is mingw32 working for windows?
[19:28] jmoyers: tjgillies you can't do that in an object literal, i dont think
[19:28] marcello3d: I always felt like I'd rather run linux through a vm than bother with cygwin
[19:28] tjgillies: jmoyers <- thnx
[19:28] jmoyers: var foo = {}; foo[]
[19:28] marcello3d: I have no idea, I stopped using windows before starting node.js
[19:28] jmoyers: var foo = {}; foo['bar' + baz] = ''
[19:29] jmoyers: rather
[19:29] marcello3d: jmoyers is right
[19:29] jmoyers: marcello3d++ linux vm is the way to go until node on windows is stable
[19:29] jmoyers: i believe there is a node.exe one can download
[19:29] jmoyers: so you don't have to compile
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[19:29] marcello3d: jmoyers: but that's 0.5.x, right?
[19:30] chjj: people dont give cygwin enough credit imo
[19:30] jmoyers: shrug -- are you worried about stability on local windows development :-)?
[19:30] jmoyers: cygwin is a steaming pile man
[19:30] jmoyers: no two ways to slice that
[19:30] KingCode: thx jmoyers, but don't I need NPM to use Node.js propertly? 
[19:30] marcello3d: chjj: to its credit, I think cygwin is fine for what it is
[19:30] chjj: eh, i feel comfortable with it when im on windows
[19:31] jmoyers: yes, but npm uses node
[19:31] marcello3d: chjj: I just feel like what it is isn't something I want to deal with
[19:31] chjj: marcello3d: roger
[19:31] jmoyers: i can't speak to whether npm works with node.exe though
[19:31] jmoyers: never tried it
[19:31] KingCode: ah, ok..so use node.exe, start Node and then use NPM? thx
[19:31] marcello3d: I recall that npm didn't work with the initial 0.5.x on windows. but that is changing on an hourly basis
[19:32] marcello3d: so who knows what the current status is :)
[19:32] marcello3d: is there a good way to install both node 0.4 and 0.5 on the same system and be able to switch?
[19:32] jmoyers: nvm
[19:33] jmoyers: though master of nvm is broken
[19:33] jmoyers: as i heard from the creator last night :P
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[19:33] jmoyers: https://github.com/creationix/nvm
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[19:35] marcello3d: :)
[19:35] marcello3d: cheers
[19:35] KingCode: Thanks all, and good luck to me :)
[19:36] marcello3d: man. vowsjs is too complicated
[19:36] marcello3d: what's all this "tap" testing stuff all about?
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[19:37] vicapow: anyone have experience with linux services? ie, svcadm ?
[19:37] vicapow: or know where i can get help?
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[19:39] jmoyers: marcello3d http://testanything.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[19:39] marcello3d: jmoyers: yea, I found that, cheers :)
[19:39] marcello3d: vows doesn't seem to be tap compatible...
[19:40] marcello3d: do you use any testing framework?
[19:40] jmoyers: TAP as i understand it
[19:40] jmoyers: is a text based protocol so that you can understand test results
[19:40] jmoyers: i use node unit myself
[19:40] Raynos: marcello3d: what's TAP ?
[19:41] jmoyers: since its the least offensive
[19:41] jmoyers: and doesn't have a compile step like expresso
[19:41] marcello3d: it's just a test result format
[19:41] Raynos: Write a vows reporter
[19:41] Raynos: to export to TAP
[19:41] marcello3d: expresso annoys me cause of the spelling :)
[19:41] Raynos: If you care about it
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[19:41] marcello3d: Raynos: I'm more concerned that vows is a bit verbose/awkward...
[19:41] jmoyers: not a huge fan of vows dsl
[19:42] marcello3d: yea, well it makes it hard to pass variables around
[19:42] jmoyers: i just want to run a function that will throw or not
[19:42] marcello3d: yep
[19:42] marcello3d: well in my case, I have many levels of depth
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[19:42] Raynos: marcello3d: vows-is & vows-fluent
[19:43] marcello3d: and I like the idea of the unit tests actually looking like code you'd write if you were using the library
[19:43] marcello3d: so they serve as both documentation and tests
[19:43] Raynos: It is verbose. I wrote vows-is to simplify vows : https://github.com/Raynos/vows-is
[19:43] marcello3d: and easy to convert test cases into unit tests
[19:43] marcello3d: https://github.com/marcello3d/node-mongolian/blob/master/test/simple-test.js
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[19:43] marcello3d: Raynos: what do you like about vows that made you build on top of it instead of something separate?
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[19:44] Raynos: I like vows because it worked
[19:44] marcello3d: :)
[19:44] Raynos: I liked the seperation of topics & vows
[19:44] marcello3d: I mean, I think vows looks great for non asynchronous stuff
[19:44] Raynos: Tbh I just didnt feel like reinventing wheels
[19:44] Raynos: I found vows to be the lesser of evils and didnt feel like rewriting something similar
[19:44] marcello3d: but one limitation I found was here https://github.com/marcello3d/node-mongolian/blob/master/test/simple-test.js#L75
[19:45] marcello3d: where basically I insert something into the database, and then retrieve it, and I want to compare the two objects, but I don't have access to the original one
[19:45] marcello3d: with regular closures that's pretty simple
[19:45] marcello3d: but with vows I need to like make an additional topic layer or something
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[19:45] marcello3d: just didn't seem obvious enough
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[19:48] Raynos: marcello3d: I'm stumped for anything thats not a hack
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[19:48] marcello3d: well that makes me feel less stupid :)
[19:48] marcello3d: I'll probably break down and try porting this test file to another format to see how it feels
[19:49] marcello3d: nodeunit seems to be the popular traditional contender from irc 
[19:49] tmpvar: does anyone know how to build node using gyp?
[19:49] marcello3d: tmpvar: ryan? ;D
[19:49] marcello3d: tmpvar: he fawns about it on twitter anyway
[19:50] tmpvar: ryah, you around?
[19:51] Raynos: marcello3d: it is.
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[19:51] Raynos: The thing about vows is that they are incredibly isolated, so you cant really vow relationships between topics
[19:51] Raynos: Its a design error that would need major work
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[19:55] tmpvar: aha, ./configure-gyp && make -f Makefile-gyp
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[19:59] marcello3d: Raynos: yea, I think that's great for certain types of libraries... it's a bit problematic with deep async
[19:59] Raynos: not deep async
[19:59] Raynos: its problematic for linked topics
[19:59] freewil: anyone used the pg module?
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[20:00] jmoyers: and so you find the flaw in the abstraction
[20:01] jmoyers: and as such, this is why i stay at one layer of nesting in testing :P
[20:01] jmoyers: and just share state like a boss
[20:01] jmoyers: module.exports['test'] = function(){ /** a flipping test **/ }
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[20:01] jmoyers: if i need to set up a server, i set it up
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[20:09] marcello3d: jmoyers: yup, I'm probably going to switch to something like that. but I like the output formatting vowsjs has, so I need *some* kind of framework
[20:09] jmoyers: nodeunit
[20:09] jmoyers: gives you the pleasant green checkmarks ;-)
[20:09] jmoyers: thats about it though
[20:10] jmoyers: thats where expresso shines actually
[20:10] jmoyers: full code coverage output with jscoverage
[20:10] jmoyers: the problem is its a dependency and a hilarious one at that
[20:10] jmoyers: it ends up loading spider monkey if im not mistaken
[20:10] jmoyers: im eagerly awaiting somebody doing some generic with node-burrito for code coverage
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[20:16] marcello3d: expresso's name just rubs me the wrong way :)
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[20:20] fabich: hey all! got some problem with the installation of NPM, can someone help?
[20:22] tmpvar: fabich, ask and we'll find out ;)
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[20:22] fabich: :P
[20:23] fabich: node: src/unix/fs.c:89: uv_fs_req_cleanup: Assertion `(req->result == -1 && req->ptr == ((void *)0)) || (req->result >= 0 && req->ptr != ((void *)0))' failed.
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[20:23] fabich: after running curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sh
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[20:24] jmoyers: and what version of node is that
[20:24] jmoyers: since its got libuv, it means not the right one :-)
[20:25] jmoyers: fabich grab https://github.com/joyent/node/tree/v0.4.11
[20:25] jmoyers: 4.11 = stable
[20:25] fabich: v0.5.7-pre
[20:26] pquerna: v0.5.7-pre = unstable
[20:26] pquerna: (but probally a good thing to post bug reports on)
[20:26] jmoyers: if its got pre in the name, you are in trouble
[20:26] jmoyers: usually :-)
[20:26] fabich: hehe :-)
[20:26] fabich: k, will try 4.11
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[20:40] dmkbot1: joyent/node: 03laverdet: node --vars broken in 0.5.4 - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1536
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[20:40] cmeiklejohn: heyo -- anyone using tobi?
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[20:44] fabich: jmoyers thx, it works
[20:44] jmoyers: np
[20:45] fabich: i'm off, bb
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[21:21] DrMcKay: so, my boss said that I should use whatever technology I like. do you think it's reasonable to rewrite a 60 work-hours-old app from Tornado + SQLAlchemy + PostgreSQL to node.js + express + MongoDB + Mongoose?
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[21:23] ErikCorryV8_: #join #chromium
[21:23] ErikCorryV8_: fuuuu
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[21:24] Dmitrijus: yes, indeed, fuuu chrome!
[21:24] Dmitrijus: :)
[21:24] DrMcKay: lol
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[21:26] jhurliman: DrMcKay, if it's just you managing deployment and ops for the app, server, database, etc then maybe
[21:26] dswift: Anybody here familiar with using Step() ?
[21:26] Raynos: DrMcKay: yes
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[21:28] Raynos: I mean, Do you know python/tornado ?
[21:28] Raynos: If not You might aswell redo the thing
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[21:29] mikeal: does everyone else see a ton of test failures in master?
[21:29] jhurliman: rewriting is the easy part. getting new test plans and deployment plans developed, adapting to the different release cycles of the new tech stack, regression testing the entire thing, understanding how to scale the new stack if it's going to be under heavy load, etc
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[21:34] jhurliman: DrMcKay, it's hard to say without more context. if this is a little internal tool or a prototype that is not live yet, that's very different from a live site with 10k daily active users
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[21:36] DrMcKay: Raynos: I know it pretty well, that was my first async framework :)
[21:37] DrMcKay: and it isn't anything small
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[21:40] DrMcKay: it's something like social networking, would fit great into mongo
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[21:44] DrMcKay: quit
[21:44] DrMcKay: meh
[21:45] Raynos: DrMcKay: DO IT
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[21:45] marcello3d: man. dismissing/not using pull requests makes me feel guilty
[21:46] dswift: @Raynos - was that in regards to Step
[21:46] dswift: ?
[21:46] Raynos: dswift: wait what?
[21:46] dswift: I was looking for sobe help with Step
[21:46] dswift: s/sobe/some/
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[21:47] dswift: ugh - ok, my bad
[21:47] dswift: misread an earlier msg
[21:48] marcello3d: it'd be cool if someone rewrote mongoose on top of mongolian
[21:49] Raynos: dswift: I dont use Step, I use middleware
[21:50] marcello3d: someone wrote a library called 'middleware'? that seems terrible
[21:50] dswift: heh
[21:50] marcello3d: I can't find it.
[21:50] dswift: sorry, raynos, I mis-read a reply to you
[21:50] Raynos: marcello3d: https://github.com/Raynos/middleware
[21:51] Raynos: Also :(
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[21:51] marcello3d: inconvenient name, that is
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[21:51] marcello3d: interesting idea though
[21:51] Raynos: marcello3d: It mimics the API for connect middleware. I thought it was a sensible name
[21:51] marcello3d: yea
[21:51] marcello3d: it's just hard to search for
[21:51] Raynos: I guess so
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[21:52] Raynos: None of my github modules are indexed on google though so meh o/
[21:52] marcello3d: why not?
[21:52] marcello3d: oh you just added it
[21:52] Raynos: Its less then a week old
[21:52] marcello3d: yea
[21:52] Raynos: and unstable  / actively worked on
[21:53] marcello3d: your site gives me 404s :(
[21:53] marcello3d: but perhaps you knew that
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[21:54] marcello3d: how do you like couch?
[21:54] Raynos: marcello3d: wait what
[21:55] marcello3d: http://www.raynos.org/blog/ - links at top
[21:55] marcello3d: (besides blog)
[21:55] Raynos: Oh those
[21:55] marcello3d: (and github)
[21:55] Raynos: unimplemented o/
[21:55] Raynos: I learned first hand. That fiflling a portfolio with tutorials, prototypes, applications and games on my multiple of them per week schedule was severely overestimating my talents
[21:57] aaronblohowiak: Raynos: Cannot GET /apps
[21:57] Raynos: Do I really need to implement a custom 404
[21:57] marcello3d: haha
[21:57] Raynos: That says "Raynos is lazy, try again next year"
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[21:57] marcello3d: :D
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[21:58] Raynos: https://github.com/Raynos/raynos-blog/issues/10
[21:58] Raynos: ^ "actively" working on adding applications
[21:59] marcello3d: you should just link to that github issue ;D
[21:59] Raynos: o/
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[21:59] Raynos: I might do that
[21:59] megalomix: hello everybody
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[22:00] megalomix: Is it possible to implement a "browser sharing" with JS and NODE ?
[22:00] Raynos: Yes it is
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[22:01] marcello3d: megalomix: that's not legal in all states though
[22:01] Raynos: megalomix: https://gist.github.com/1208856
[22:01] megalomix: Legal??
[22:01] Raynos: mercello3d: what does browser sharing mean? and why is it not legal
[22:01] megalomix: I SEE
[22:01] marcello3d: in georgia there're some strict monobrowseromy laws
[22:02] megalomix: Raynos, wwwow, awesome code
[22:02] megalomix: ahahahah
[22:02] megalomix: :)
[22:02] marcello3d: megalomix: look up browserify
[22:02] megalomix: ok
[22:02] Raynos: marcello3d: Is this some really bad / failed joke?
[22:03] marcello3d: browserify? no
[22:03] Raynos: I also second node-browserify for client/server code re-use
[22:03] marcello3d: I thought it was funny, so I can't call it completely failed
[22:04] megalomix: i think is not possible
[22:05] megalomix: only with Java or some Flash third part package
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[22:06] megalomix: hmmm jave applet
[22:06] megalomix: grrr
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[22:13] johns_: hello
[22:13] johns_: is someone able to help me
[22:13] johns_: with path in .profile
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[22:16] ErikCorryV8_: export PATH=/the/new/path:$PATH
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[22:16] tjgillies: on mac paths are stored in /etc/path
[22:16] tjgillies:  /etc/paths rather
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[22:16] ErikCorryV8_: .profile works too.
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[22:17] ErikCorryV8_: But I guess that /etc/paths is better if it's for all users.
[22:17] ErikCorryV8_: Thanks for that.
[22:19] ErikCorryV8_: I want to install node-png on MacOSX
[22:19] ErikCorryV8_: So I installed libpng first
[22:20] ErikCorryV8_: But MacPorts puts the include files in /opt/local/include
[22:20] dmkbot1: joyent/node: 03mikeal: streams2 - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1681
[22:20] dmkbot1: joyent/node: 03mikeal: streams2 - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1681
[22:20] tjgillies: macports is even use homebrew
[22:20] tjgillies: evil*
[22:20] ErikCorryV8_: Which isn't where node-waf expects to find stuff.
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[22:20] tjgillies: http://mxcl.github.com/homebrew/
[22:21] ErikCorryV8_: Interesting.
[22:21] ErikCorryV8_: I had got the impression that MacPorts was what everyone used.
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[22:22] tjgillies: yes, it was in fact what everyone used ;)
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[22:23] johns_: whats a the usual location to place the node folder?
[22:23] johns_: im on ubuntu btw.
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[22:24] johns_: and im pretty sure i set the path in .profile to my node location, but when i run node, it tells me to install it using sudo install.
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[22:25] dmkbot1: joyent/node: 03tshinnic: add positioned writing feature to fs.WriteStream - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1645
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[22:26] ErikCorryV8_: johns If you do a 'sudo make install' node will put itself in /usr/local/bin
[22:26] ErikCorryV8_: You can override that by doing ./configure --prefix=/somewhere/else
[22:26] ErikCorryV8_: before doing make.
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[22:28] ErikCorryV8_: tjgillies, I Googled Homebrew and found out that "By default Homebrew will try to take over your /usr/local directory. If you’ve already installed anything there (MySQL, etc.) then Homebrew will complain."
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[22:28] ErikCorryV8_: So I could get Homebrew to use a different directory, but then I would be using it in a non-standard way.
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[22:29] ErikCorryV8_: And my experience tells me that will break stuff.
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[22:29] ErikCorryV8_: And since my main issue with MacPorts is that it puts things in a strange place I wouldn't be much better off...
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[22:29] tjgillies: ErikCorryV8_ <- yeah, any package system you use will fall into that. its a fault of mac not having a native package system.
[22:31] ErikCorryV8_: I should have gone with a Linux laptop.  I was seduced by the silvery shininess of the Mac and now this...
[22:32] ErikCorryV8_: There must be some way to tell npm to use a special include path when building.
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[22:42] chapel: ErikCorryV8_: why not compile node manually
[22:42] chapel: and not use a package system, or make them use a different directory
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[22:42] ErikCorryV8_: I did compile node manually.
[22:42] ErikCorryV8_: Now I want to install the png module.
[22:43] ErikCorryV8_: But it won't compile because node-waf (started by npm) doesn't know to look in /opt/local/include
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[22:43] konobi: Erik, installing pkgconfig might help
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[22:45] dmkbot1: joyent/node: 03mikeal: streams2 - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1681
[22:45] dmkbot1: joyent/node: 03virmundi: Windows 7 exec process leak - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1682
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[22:52] ErikCorryV8_: I ended up just softlinking /opt/local/include/png* into /usr/include
[22:53] ErikCorryV8_: A great solution that will surely bite me one day.
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[22:54] aaronblohowiak: " A great solution that will surely bite me one day." -- i feel like that describes most of the code I write
[22:54] aaronblohowiak: v.v
[22:55] ErikCorryV8_: That day is today!
[22:55] aaronblohowiak: LOL
[22:55] ErikCorryV8_: The png package installs, but it doesn't work.
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[23:02] dswift: If I have a specific order to events that must be enforced to contact a server, am I better off writing a quick module to do that in C, and then pass the connection back to node?
[23:04] AvianFlu: dswift: it's possible to enforce a specific order of events in javascript.  make a series of small functions where each calls the next.
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[23:06] creationix: I want to learn node better, so I'm re-implementing it in lua
[23:06] creationix: who's taking bets I won't last longer than a day
[23:06] dswift: lol
[23:08] ErikCorryV8_: 
ACTION adds more soft links to his pristine Mac system

[23:08] creationix: if it does somehow become successful (which I highly doubt) it will put more pressure on V8 to be better
[23:08] ErikCorryV8_: 
ACTION adds baler twine and glue

[23:08] ErikCorryV8_: Now it works!
[23:08] creationix: hey ErikCorryV8
[23:08] ErikCorryV8_: creationix: What on earth are you talking about?
[23:08] alindeman: Maybe a bug?
[23:09] aaronblohowiak: creationix: there is a lua-ev rock 
[23:09] aaronblohowiak: creationix: and there is a lua-node project
[23:09] creationix: indeed, but that's not my goal
[23:09] aaronblohowiak: =) right
[23:09] creationix: my goal isn't to write node servers in lua, it's to learn how to make something like node
[23:09] ErikCorryV8_: Ah.
[23:09] creationix: and I like node's architecture and lua seems interesting
[23:09] ErikCorryV8_: Start with the libraries that ryah has used I guess...
[23:09] creationix: I'd be sad if it took off and took away from the node community
[23:10] creationix: right, I've got libuv and http-parser already
[23:10] ErikCorryV8_: Creationix: embrace change :-)
[23:10] creationix: ErikCorryV8_: you could do a dash version if you had free time
[23:10] creationix: that would be fun too
[23:11] tbranyen: creationix: lua has some crazy stuff
[23:11] tbranyen: no sparse arrays >_>
[23:11] creationix: true coros
[23:11] ErikCorryV8_: I was going to ask how to get webgl-node working on MacOSX, but after almost punching my screen while installing something as simple as node-png I won't bother.
[23:11] creationix: any value as table keys
[23:11] tbranyen: yeah
[23:11] tbranyen: modifying the actual environment, instead of dealing with with
[23:11] creationix: ErikCorryV8_: yeah, I haven't gotten it working on osx either
[23:11] ErikCorryV8_: What do you use for node-webgl?  Windows or Linux?
[23:12] tbranyen: essentially changing the global object which is tits
[23:12] creationix: ErikCorryV8_: ubuntu
[23:12] creationix: ErikCorryV8_: and webos, so both linux
[23:13] creationix: ErikCorryV8_: if you want to try it in ubuntu, I can tell you the exact *-dev packages to install and a normal npm install using node v0.4.x will work out of the box
[23:13] ErikCorryV8_: I thought I'd add some 3d-coolness to my talk in Berlin.  It's still several weeks away so I still haven't reached the OMG-I'd-better-just-do-something-simple stage.
[23:13] ErikCorryV8_: But I'm not lugging my Ubuntu workstation to Berlin...
[23:13] ErikCorryV8_: So, perfect excuse.
[23:13] creationix: maybe a vm with gl acceleration
[23:14] creationix: I know it works under windows, not sure about under osx
[23:14] ErikCorryV8_: Yeah right.  I am a masochist so I want to mix VMs and OpenGL.
[23:14] creationix: just sayin'
[23:14] ErikCorryV8_: :-)
[23:14] creationix: you do work on a pretty crazy vm after all
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[23:15] ErikCorryV8_: Yeah, not that kind.  VMWare is upstairs from us.  They keep telling us we should be using their rewind-time full system debugger to debug tricky crashes.
[23:16] creationix: ErikCorryV8_: do you know how the latest luajit compares to v8 in terms of speed?
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[23:16] ErikCorryV8_: Heh
[23:16] ErikCorryV8_: Mr Aleph blogged about that.
[23:16] creationix: seems like the kind of thing you would keep track of
[23:16] creationix: link?
[23:17] ErikCorryV8_: http://blog.mrale.ph/
[23:17] ErikCorryV8_: There's no doubt that LuaJIT is an awesome piece of work.
[23:18] ErikCorryV8_: And he isn't quite as constrained by the web as we are.  Like if he doesn't want to be 110% compatible then he doesn't have to be.  And if he can win some us by not doing bounds checks on typed arrays then that's OK too.
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[23:18] ErikCorryV8_: But it's still awesome.
[23:18] creationix: yep
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[23:19] piscisaureus: creationix: you should talk to pquerna
[23:19] creationix: why's that?
[23:19] piscisaureus: creationix: he might actually pay you for that :-)
[23:19] piscisaureus: node in lua
[23:20] creationix: hah, then I'd have to be serious about it
[23:20] creationix: I'm doing this for fun
[23:20] creationix: but I won't cut corners in case someone wants to make serious project out of it
[23:20] piscisaureus: creationix: that's always how it starts
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[23:21] SubStack: nifty
[23:21] creationix: piscisaureus: true, but most my projects like this die pretty shortly
[23:21] piscisaureus: creationix: heh.
[23:21] creationix: the lua community already has enough conventions that they would be adverse to a node style server
[23:21] creationix: but the vm itself seems pretty agnostic
[23:21] piscisaureus: creationix: it shouldn't be so hard though - you just have to add some libuv bindings
[23:22] creationix: right, and use http-parser to make a built-in http server
[23:22] piscisaureus: creationix: yes, well that's the idea
[23:22] creationix: but as I still  don't consider myself a C coder, this takes me a while to get started
[23:22] piscisaureus: yes, that's true
[23:22] creationix: I know what to do, but the actual concrete steps are tough
[23:23] stephank: Is there an example of good Lua code out there? I've yet to discover its beauty.
[23:23] creationix: dunno, most the docs are pretty ugly
[23:23] stephank: :B
[23:23] creationix: they don't even syntax color the snippets and it's always courier 
[23:23] stephank: But a lot of people seem to like it a lot. I'm thinking for example the Löve project.
[23:24] stephank: come to think of it, I've seen it mostly used in games
[23:24] stephank: (beautiful code in games is rare)
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[23:25] dmkbot1: joyent/node: 03tshinnic: unguarded fs.watchFile cache statWatchers checking fixed - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1637
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[23:27] piscisaureus: http://code.google.com/p/dart/
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[23:29] jamescarr: hmmm... who here has an io domain?
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[23:30] jamescarr: I'm looking into registering one, the only site I found was nic.io and it looks like it'll cost $97? That seems pretty steep
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[23:30] jamescarr: I don't even have an idea of how long it is for
[23:30] ErikCorryV8_: Malte Ubl has one.
[23:30] ErikCorryV8_: NonBlocking.io
[23:31] creationix: ErikCorryV8_: thanks for the link.  I think I understand what I need.  Depending on the workload, luajit is fast enough for most anything I'll need it for.
[23:31] ErikCorryV8_: Probably is.
[23:32] jamescarr: looks like the best I can find so far is $79/year
[23:32] jamescarr: still, seems steep. Do all those open source projects with IO domains really shell out $79 yearly? :)
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[23:35] aaronblohowiak: jamescarr: that is how expensive it is
[23:35] aaronblohowiak: jamescarr: name.com
[23:36] aaronblohowiak: jamescarr: Transitive.io is expensive, but worth it =D
[23:36] pquerna: rax.io
[23:37] jamescarr: I see. I'll just have to consider it an operating expense then :)
[23:37] jamescarr: in the long run, $79 isn't too much
[23:37] jamescarr: especially since it'll be for my LLC
[23:38] jamescarr: Just more than your typical .com (which is taken with an under construction page dating from 2002)
[23:38] aaronblohowiak: pquerna: love that site.
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[23:41] kasmura: Anybody that could help me with DOM manipulating?
[23:41] kasmura: * who
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[23:41] aaronblohowiak: kasmura: using jquery?
[23:41] tbranyen: loool creationix you're doing what i was attempting with lua
[23:41] kasmura: yes
[23:41] tbranyen: creationix: i called my project lude
[23:41] aaronblohowiak: kasmura: try the jquery channel
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[23:42] tbranyen: although i was looking into lua-llvm not luajit
[23:42] ErikCorryV8_: I wonder if SpiderNode or NodeMonkey or whatever is still going.
[23:42] ErikCorryV8_: I haven't heard much.
[23:42] creationix: why llvm?
[23:42] kasmura: Yes, but i think it works in normal client-side Javascript, but not in node.js
[23:42] creationix: I just picked luajit because it's fast and runs on arm
[23:42] tbranyen: creationix: actually my project used both, i was just messing with both
[23:43] ErikCorryV8_: Maybe I haven't been paying attention.
[23:43] tbranyen: https://github.com/tbranyen/lude
[23:43] tbranyen: is what i was doing
[23:43] tbranyen: ages ago
[23:43] kasmura: thank you tbranyen, I will have a look at that
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[23:43] creationix: oh, so the llvm version generated static native code?
[23:44] tbranyen: kasmura: what, that wasn't for you >_>
[23:44] kasmura: oh, sorry
[23:44] tbranyen: creationix: i think so, something like that
[23:44] creationix: ErikCorryV8_: I haven't heard anything either
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[23:44] creationix: tbranyen: that's cool then, I could make apps for ios using that then?
[23:44] tbranyen: creationix: i talked to the lua-llvm guy and he said it was possible, he just didn't know how
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[23:45] tbranyen: apple uses llvm now by default right?
[23:45] tbranyen: for ios stuff
[23:45] creationix: we've been playing with haxe at work, it can generate C++ which can then deploy to ios, android, or webos
[23:45] creationix: but I prefer non-static languages
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[23:46] jn: is there a way to have a shared instance of a logger that i dont need to pass around everywhere? for example require('mylogger').sharedInstance
[23:46] creationix: jn that's one way
[23:46] creationix: jn: or put it in the top level closure
[23:46] creationix: if it's just within a single file
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[23:47] jn: i want to do it across multiple files
[23:47] creationix: jn, then putting it on the module instance works
[23:47] creationix: or pass it in explicitily to each module if you plan on having more than one globally
[23:48] jn: ok, nice. i'll have a go at it
[23:48] jn: thanks man
[23:48] AvianFlu: jn: you can also check out winston
[23:49] AvianFlu: http://github.com/indexzero/winston
[23:49] jn: AvianFlu: that's the logger i'm using :)
[23:49] jn: didn't realize it had a shared instance
[23:50] AvianFlu: you'd still have to share it or make it a process global or something
[23:50] AvianFlu: or tack it onto your prototype
[23:51] AvianFlu: I was suggesting it cause it's easy to work with
[23:51] AvianFlu: how "shared" are you going for
[23:51] AvianFlu: is your app all one process?
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[23:55] jn: yeah, or at least until socket.io supports multiple
[23:55] jn: process global sounds interesting
[23:55] jn: how do you do that?
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[23:55] AvianFlu: you just have to scope it correctly, is the basic answer
[23:56] AvianFlu: there's also a `global` object
[23:57] AvianFlu: but if you've got an object prototype being used throughout, you could just MyObj.prototype.winston = new winston or whatever
[23:57] AvianFlu: i.e. just put it somewhere you can always see it, and it will work out for you