[00:00] Nuck: Hmm
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[00:00] daleharvey: heh I ported a little angular thing to a couchapp ages ago - https://github.com/daleharvey/angular-couch-demo
[00:00] Nuck: Can I just append onto a buffer?
[00:00] daleharvey: I need to try out backbone, I have just got too use to my little microframework thing, big things like backbone scare me
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[00:01] Nuck: Is it possible to just do buf += data with Buffers?
[00:02] ben1mal: @daleharvey - so that was you
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[00:02] tbranyen: daleharvey: but its so tiny!
[00:06] Nexxy: Nuck, not that I'm aware of
[00:06] Nexxy: without something like buffertools
[00:10] boaz: daleharvey: backbone.js + couchapp = !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sw000n!
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[00:12] daleharvey: heh yeh that seems to be the consensus , next couchapp I do I will throw away my stuff and try it out
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[00:13] daleharvey: but before that I have to finish my current ones, for which I finally get to spend a little more time with node
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[00:15] Nuck: fuck couch
[00:15] Nuck: Mongo 4 lyfe
[00:15] Dmitrijus: hmm
[00:16] Dmitrijus: i really like mongodb, but i also really like couchdb, just for different tasks :)
[00:16] Nuck: Mongo is like SQL for JSON
[00:16] Nuck: It's fucking awesome
[00:16] Dmitrijus: yep
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[00:19] TooTallNate: drudge: you're the linkinus dev, ya?
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[00:21] muk_mb: hey guys
[00:21] chapel: TooTallNate: yeah he is
[00:21] muk_mb: is express still the module-of-choice to get started with?
[00:21] tjholowaychuk: muk_mb if you're new to node, start with node
[00:22] TooTallNate: muk_mb: are you writing an HTTP server?
[00:22] tjholowaychuk: see what it offers and then go from there
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[00:22] muk_mb: I'm not entirely new to node, but it has been a little while
[00:23] tjholowaychuk: ah, well as long as you have an idea of where the abstractions lay you should be good
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[00:25] mrdoodles: Nuck: I'm with you on mongo
[00:25] mrdoodles: mongo/mongoose.
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[00:25] mrdoodles: compiling couch is a 45 minute on a fast iMac.
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[00:26] mrdoodles: night.
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[00:28] daleharvey: $time make clean && make dev
[00:28] daleharvey: real	1m39.780s
[00:28] daleharvey: user	1m30.242s
[00:28] daleharvey: heh, gone
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[00:46] Daegalus: Nuck: Hey, you suggested Mongly as a Admin UI for mongo. Thoguh I dont see where I can use it outside of their tutorial
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[00:47] jaequery: any mootools devs in here?
[00:47] TooTallNate: how can I compile Jade?
[00:47] TooTallNate: how to express?
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[00:47] tjholowaychuk: tjbot you there?
[00:47] tjbot: tjholowaychuk: what?
[00:47] tjholowaychuk: tjbot you suck
[00:47] tjbot: tjholowaychuk: sorry?
[00:48] Daegalus: TooTallNate: use jade.compile(data), data being the file/string of jade
[00:48] TooTallNate: Daegalus: thanks :p I was testing tjbot though :p
[00:48] tjbot: TooTallNate: sorry?
[00:48] Daegalus: oh... my bad
[00:48] TooTallNate: haha
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[00:48] Daegalus: I WAS JUST TRYING TO HELP, GOSH!!!! :P
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[00:49] jaequery: is express good?
[00:49] Daegalus: yes
[00:49] tjholowaychuk: jaequery it sucks
[00:49] jaequery: now i got mixed answers
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[00:51] tjholowaychuk: how do you create error pages with express
[00:51] tjbot: tjholowaychuk: there's http://expressjs.com/guide.html#error-handling
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[01:02] jellosea: i keep getting the AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'copy' error when trying to do npm install 
[01:02] jellosea: anyone know what the problem is?
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[01:04] abravo: i agree with tjholowaychuk. express is potentially the worst code ever created
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[01:09] joshkehn: I'm playing with weld (https://github.com/hij1nx/weld)
[01:10] joshkehn: Is it possible to alter dom attributes like href or id?
[01:10] nibblebot: why were all the modules removed from node wiki?
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[01:14] random123: The categorization of thr Node wiki modules page was nice, the only thing comparable in the npm is Tags, which are really disorganized
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[01:15] random123: I think it would be nice if the npm counted downloads and you can see most popular
[01:15] random123: And it has some real categorization with oversight
[01:15] random123: as a way to navigate
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[01:16] random123: the tags would work with oversight as well, or even oversight by user participation instead of individual authors
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[01:18] random123: but the only way of usefully navigating the npm currently is either, searching up a specific package or seeing Depended On ranking, Most popular by downloads would be better than that particular case though
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[01:24] tjholowaychuk: abravo evaaa
[01:24] tjholowaychuk: random123 it doesnt count downloads yet?
[01:24] tjholowaychuk: is there a reason why?
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[01:26] daleharvey: whats everyones favourite tools for monitoring http traffic on osx
[01:26] tjholowaychuk: i agree though, it would help give you a better idea for quality, or even to check github watchers i dunno
[01:26] daleharvey: I can never stick with wireshark
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[01:27] abraxas: dlg: bring it on
[01:28] abraxas: oops, that was 12 hours ago
[01:28] dlg: heh
[01:28] dlg: thats ok
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[01:29] dlg: https://github.com/dgwynne/node-fwd-http-proxy
[01:29] dlg: proxy.js leaks until it dies
[01:29] joshkehn: charles isn't too bad
[01:30] joshkehn: daleharvey: http://www.charlesproxy.com/
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[01:30] daleharvey: cool thanks
[01:31] daleharvey: I have decided I dont want a proxy, I want something where I can just run "tail -f somedomain.com" and get the traffic logs
[01:31] random123: tjholowaychuk: I don't know, I wanted to find out which packages were most popular, so sort by downloads, but couldn't find the functionality?
[01:31] daleharvey: im kinda hoping it already exists, but if not sounds like a fun yak to shave
[01:32] tjholowaychuk: random123  maybe it's hard/not possible with couch unless you have some layer in front
[01:32] drudge: TooTallNate: yeah man
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[01:32] tjholowaychuk: not sure exactly what npm is doing
[01:32] TooTallNate: drudge: you got a place for bug reports?
[01:32] tjholowaychuk: kiwi had it back in the day, seemed pretty useful
[01:32] drudge: TooTallNate: Help > Report a bug
[01:32] Nexxy: asking people about their preferred packages is more objective than download count IMO
[01:33] TooTallNate: drudge: cool, thanks
[01:33] drudge: thanks for reporting
[01:33] TooTallNate: 
ACTION DUH!

[01:33] tjholowaychuk: Nexxy moar annoying though
[01:33] tjholowaychuk: and you might get feedback from 2 or 3 people
[01:33] Nexxy: I AM NOT! ;<
[01:34] Nexxy: alternatively, you could just get that 1800 number up and running and we can all call you instead
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[01:35] TooTallNate: drudge: done
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[01:36] drudge: TooTallNate: which version?
[01:37] TooTallNate: drudge: 2.4/25011, sorry forgot to include that
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[01:37] random123: Nexxy: Thats the point of finding what is most popular though, it sort of implies an opinion of the populous of people looking for packages
[01:37] drudge: TooTallNate: which version did you grab, direct or app store?
[01:37] random123: Nexxy: ie What people are using
[01:37] TooTallNate: drudge: direct
[01:38] Nexxy: random123, all I'm saying is that an endorsement/vote is more reliable than d/l count
[01:38] Nexxy: :)
[01:38] random123: Nexxy: Well they could put a voting feature in the NPM as well
[01:38] Nexxy: do I hear a pull request?
[01:39] tjholowaychuk: Nexxy not really though, because the downloads initially are most likely going to be from word of mouth as well
[01:39] tjholowaychuk: votes could be worse in some ways
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[01:40] Nexxy: clearly this calls for some sort of scoring algorithm!
[01:40] tjholowaychuk: boom!
[01:40] random123: It seems GitHub "Watches" are the relative equivalent for instance, interestingly they don't actually count downloads either. But many people use something they do not Watch, download count is something that is an accurate and happens gracefully and consistent
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[01:42] tjholowaychuk: random123 i guess it would suck if you have someone deploying 100s of times a week etc causing the downloads to go up
[01:43] Nexxy: the only reason I mentioned votes is that I could foresee great libs being passed up for others that have more downloads
[01:43] Nexxy: simply because they have broader uses
[01:43] tjholowaychuk: Nexxy sure
[01:43] tjholowaychuk: but can you not see marak bitching about every lib?
[01:43] tjholowaychuk: haha
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[01:43] tjholowaychuk: or similar people
[01:43] Nexxy: what's he bitching about? ;o
[01:43] tjholowaychuk: it'll be skewed regardless
[01:44] Nexxy: I think this calls for a board certified peer reviewed NPM ranking system
[01:44] random123: That is a good point, you would want some way to find unique downloads
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[01:45] random123: that could probably work with the npm by unique computers
[01:45] Nexxy: then there's the issue of whether you reset the download count for every version bump or not
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[01:45] Nexxy: if you don't; you reward those that release small patches more often
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[01:47] random123: you could use mac address to uniquely identify
[01:47] random123: and not worry about versions
[01:47] random123: inflating the count
[01:47] Nexxy: that just seems unnecessarily resource intensive
[01:48] tjholowaychuk: npm is already slow
[01:48] tjholowaychuk: dont want to slow it down
[01:48] tjholowaychuk: more
[01:48] tjholowaychuk: i guess
[01:48] random123: It shouldn't be slow, unless bandwidth is the issue
[01:48] tjholowaychuk: some kind of quality thing would be nice though but i guess people should just review libs before using them on github
[01:48] jheusala: is this kind of library done already? Express-style middleware SQL framework: https://gist.github.com/1199537
[01:49] Nexxy: tjholowaychuk, I like ubuntu's software center rating system
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[01:49] Nexxy: it's pretty generic but it's integrated nicely and allows for feedback
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[01:50] Nexxy: 1-5 stars, download count, user-scored feedback
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[01:50] random123: I would guess if there was a restful API, it just curls it on download, passing package_id, mac_address, on the other end, if that mac_address has already downloaded then do not up count
[01:51] random123: maybe take 40ms
[01:51] Nexxy: but who's responsible for that giant sack of MAC addresses?
[01:51] Nexxy: just think of the liability!
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[01:52] random123: I don't think mac address really allows you to know anything important
[01:52] random123: Its just a hardware signature on the nic
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[01:54] Nexxy: I was speaking more to the aspect of upkeep
[01:54] daleharvey: is Matt Ranney / mrannry around these parts?
[01:55] random123: I'm guessing there would be 10K - 50K macs, and that itself would be a useful count, ie the ammount of computers using the NPM
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[01:56] random123: mass exodus?
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[01:58] Nexxy: lol
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[01:58] Nexxy: if your client excess floods after a netsplit, you're doing it wrong ;/
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[02:03] daleharvey: anyone use ncap recently? doesnt seem to install for me
[02:04] daleharvey: its possible its my newbiness with npm - http://pastebin.me/7196eac60458315190146dfb380eedbd
[02:04] dmkbot: joyent/node: Hamms: querystring.stringify can't deal with nested objects - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1665
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[02:07] jellosea: i keep getting the AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'copy' error when trying to do npm install 
[02:07] jellosea: rather, no such environment: default
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[02:09] mjijackson: DBAA!
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[02:10] jamesd: mjijackson, quit using that foul language in here... 
[02:10] agoole: where do I get access to nodejs version 5.0 ? I can't use express with 5.6
[02:10] mjijackson: agoole: depends on how you installed it.
[02:10] jellosea: whats the npm error so such enivornment: default?
[02:10] mjijackson: agoole: did you install from source?
[02:11] agoole: mjijackson: my first install was from git
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[02:11] agoole: mjijackson: I ended up doing a make uninstall
[02:11] mjijackson: agoole: you can simply checkout the revision you want and rebuilt.
[02:11] agoole: mjijackson: from git as well ?
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[02:12] mjijackson: agoole: run git tag -l to see a list of all the tags
[02:12] mjijackson: then use git checkout to checkout the revision you need to use, and rebuild.
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[02:13] agoole: mjijackson: cool thank you
[02:13] mjijackson: some people recommend using nvm, but i've always found this method to be the simplest.
[02:13] jellosea: whats the npm error so such enivornment: default?
[02:13] mjijackson: jellosea: i don't understand your question.
[02:13] jellosea: how do i set node path
[02:13] jellosea: for npm?
[02:13] mjijackson: jellosea: use $NODE_PATH environment variable
[02:14] jellosea: path to the bin?
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[02:14] jellosea: when i try and install something with npm i get an error saying no such environment: default
[02:14] mjijackson: jellosea: the $NODE_PATH is the require path that node searches for when you use require
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[02:15] jellosea: okay thats not the issue then, i thought it was
[02:15] jellosea: i can't install anything iwth npm anymore
[02:15] jellosea: i dont know why it was working before
[02:15] mjijackson: jellosea: i'm not sure why npm can't find your default environment.
[02:15] jellosea: it keeps giving me the error "no such enviornment: default
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[02:16] mjijackson: i would try reinstalling npm
[02:16] mjijackson: the default environment should be there always.
[02:16] mjijackson: if it's gone, it must have somehow been borked.
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[02:16] jellosea: i reinstalled npm
[02:17] mjijackson: can you put the full error output on a gist somewhere?
[02:17] mjijackson: gist.github.com
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[02:19] jellosea: yeah
[02:19] jellosea: one sec
[02:19] jellosea: http://pastie.org/2494983
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[02:22] mrdoodles: hey everyone, - i've never had this happen before, if i have a third party api sending me a string of json. i can always json.parse then res.send(parsed); .. is that a shorthand form with express?
[02:25] jellosea: does anybody know what the problem si ?
[02:25] jellosea: http://pastie.org/2494983
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[02:31] agoole: can someone give me a quick hand with git and nodejs >
[02:31] agoole: ?
[02:31] mrryanjohnston: agoole: sup
[02:31] mrryanjohnston: agoole: just ask :)
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[02:31] agoole: mrryanjohnston: I need nodejs version 5.0, but I'm a noob and not sure how to switch git to that version
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[02:32] SamWhited: agoole: Do you mean 0.5?
[02:32] RyanW: git checkout v0.5.0
[02:32] RyanW: 5.5 is latest though
[02:32] RyanW: git checkout v0.5.5
[02:33] RyanW: To list them: git tag
[02:33] agoole: just git tag the git address to the repo ?
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[02:33] RyanW: No, you have to clone it first:  git clone git://github.com/joyent/node.git
[02:33] RyanW: then: cd node; git tag
[02:34] SamWhited: You also probably want to make a new branch to stage your changes on (since v0.5.5 is a tag, not a branch)
[02:35] agoole: I don't want to make changes, I just needed to downgrade to be able to install express
[02:35] SamWhited: Ah, nevermind then.
[02:35] agoole: the express in npm didn't run on the latest
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[02:38] agoole: Thanks for the quick help with git
[02:38] agoole: I couldn't find any mention about having to clone it first
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[02:41] CarterA: ryan, you around?
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[02:41] CarterA: *ryah
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[02:44] piscisaureus: CarterA: ryah is at nodeconf
[02:44] CarterA: …that would make some sense.
[02:45] CarterA: Didn't realize that was this week.
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[02:47] piscisaureus: agoole: if you have problems with express use node 0.4.11
[02:47] piscisaureus: agoole: the 0.5 branch is unstable
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[02:48] piscisaureus: agoole: and if you have problems with git, just grab the tarball from http://nodejs.org/#download
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[02:54] Daegalus: Wooo, got ipv6 working on my router/network
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[02:59] agoole: piscisaureus: thank you, I checked out a previous version and got express working,
[02:59] agoole: piscisaureus: but thanks for the heads up about the branch being unstable,
[02:59] agoole: piscisaureus: good to know when we're about to build a server on it
[02:59] agoole: hahah
[03:00] piscisaureus: agoole: that's fine, but don't be surprised if node 0.5/master blows up in your face :-)
[03:00] agoole: haha
[03:00] piscisaureus: agoole: the rule is that 0.odd versions are unstable and 0.even versions are stable
[03:00] agoole: I think we'll downgrade to a stable version, we are running a linode machine for it, 
[03:00] agoole: so we'd rather use git
[03:01] agoole: but thanks for the heads up
[03:02] brainproxy: agoole: you might want to look into nvm
[03:02] brainproxy: makes installing/switching between different versions of node a breeze
[03:05] CarterA: What are the other options for node version managers? I seem to remember them being a ton of them.
[03:05] brainproxy: i think there are mainly two now, could be mistaken though
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[03:05] brainproxy: Caswell's nvm
[03:05] CarterA: nvm and ...?
[03:06] brainproxy: and isaacs' tool, trying to remember the name
[03:06] brainproxy: (don't use it myself)
[03:06] CarterA: ah, nave
[03:06] tmzt: n ?
[03:06] brainproxy: ah, that's right
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[03:07] CarterA: ah, so nave uses subshells
[03:08] CarterA: So I think I'll go with nvm
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[04:00] Nuck: heh,  you guys convinced me last night to give Ubuntu another chance
[04:00] Nuck: 
ACTION is backing up his shit

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[04:03] tuhoojabotti: \o
[04:03] tuhoojabotti: ubuntu would be nice if it worked.
[04:03] Nuck: lol
[04:03] Nuck: I need a tolerable UI, so I figure I'll start with Ubuntu and work from there
[04:03] tmzt: tuhoojabotti: on?
[04:04] tuhoojabotti: tmzt: gtx590 + 3 monitors. :D
[04:04] Nuck: Not to mention I need to dual-boot with Windows, and Ubuntu does that exceptionally
[04:04] Nuck: And there's the fact that I'm so accustomed to Aptitude too
[04:04] tuhoojabotti: Can't get twinview with SLI, and xinerama phails
[04:05] tuhoojabotti: dualboot is nice yeah
[04:05] Nuck: Anyways, I hear there are better window managers, what would you guys suggest?
[04:05] tuhoojabotti: unity<33
[04:06] Nuck: There any built on Node.js yet? :P
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[04:06] Nuck: There any window managers that will get me warmed up to the Apple concept of a dock?
[04:07] tuhoojabotti: eww
[04:07] tuhoojabotti: There are docks
[04:07] Nuck: I'm gonna switch to Mac when I have money
[04:08] tuhoojabotti: I prefer to use computers, not toys.
[04:08] tuhoojabotti: :u
[04:08] Nuck: Good reason not to use XP, not a good reason to avoid Mac.
[04:09] Nuck: Well, maybe Lion
[04:09] Nuck: But not pre-Lion
[04:09] Nuck: Or the next version, which I predict will be named Ceiling Cat
[04:09] tuhoojabotti: looongcat
[04:09] tuhoojabotti: right, off to school
[04:09] Nuck: After Ceiling Cat is gonna be Nyan Cat
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[04:11] Nexxy: Nuck, docky/gnome-do
[04:12] rmzg: Hey, anyone have any advice for getting node.js to install on a powerpc architecture?
[04:12] Nexxy: http://do.davebsd.com/wiki/Docky
[04:13] AAA_awright: Haven't heard of Docky, Gnome Do requires a metric shitton of dependencies last time I tried it iirc
[04:13] Nuck: Nexxy: mmmm, I love their External Links, they knew I was looking for "Essay writing"
[04:14] Nexxy: ya I just noticed that lol
[04:15] Nuck: Linux window managers don't seem to recognize that I want them to make love to my eyes :'(
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[04:15] tmzt: Nuck: that's what enlightenment is for
[04:15] tmzt: also beryl (part of compiz now)
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[04:16] tbranyen: ew
[04:16] tbranyen: simplicity
[04:16] tbranyen: pls
[04:16] tbranyen: :-)
[04:16] Lorentz: e17 is sweeet
[04:16] Nuck: I vomited at enlightenment
[04:16] rmzg: Exception: supported architectures are arm, ia32, x64 but NOT 'powerpc'.
[04:16] AAA_awright: Oh com eon
[04:17] Lorentz: Nuck: Maybe you mean e16
[04:17] Lorentz: which was still sweet, just not so much as e17 is now
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[04:17] Nuck: Lorentz: Eh, I jsut looked up the wikipedia page?
[04:18] Nuck: says it's 17
[04:18] Nuck: And it's fugly
[04:18] Lorentz: >2009
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[04:19] Lorentz: Although admittably the gradient-ish theme hasn't changed that much.
[04:19] rmzg: Anyone have any idea about powerpc and node.js?
[04:19] Nexxy: lol
[04:19] Nexxy: Nuck, you realize E is the WM, not the theme?
[04:19] Nuck: True
[04:19] Nexxy: k
[04:20] Nuck: But the default theme generally shapes the other themes
[04:20] tbranyen: Nuck: http://sharefilewith.me/u/e1444a.png
[04:20] tbranyen: :D
[04:20] Lorentz: E is technically more than just WM these days
[04:20] Nuck: So I can get a general idea of what to expect from other themes for it
[04:20] Nexxy: ROFL timecube
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[04:21] Nuck: Nexxy: I'm rofling at the browser
[04:21] Nuck: *Opera*
[04:21] tbranyen: opera owns, sorry you don't know any better :-/
[04:22] Nuck: Chrome > Firefox > IE
[04:22] Nuck: Opera doesn't even count
[04:22] Nuck: It's no longer in the top 5
[04:22] Nexxy: I would take opera over IE
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[04:22] tbranyen: Opera is like in between Chrome and a browser that hasn't been invented yet that is better than everything else
[04:22] Nuck: It's powerful, but it reminds me of the era of the Application Suite
[04:22] blkcat: mmm, chrome.
[04:23] Nuck: Probably because even years after Application Suites died, Opera remains
[04:23] Nexxy: O mouse gestures were amazing
[04:23] tbranyen: i paid damn good money for opera back in the day
[04:23] Nuck: And then it wnet free and you raged?
[04:23] tbranyen: i intend on getting my monies worth
[04:24] Nexxy: no, I commended them for that
[04:24] Nuck: Opera is a VERY good browser
[04:24] Nuck: I'll admit that
[04:24] Nexxy: oh that was to tbranyen ;P
[04:24] Nuck: It's the most standards-compliant
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[04:24] Nuck: And it's extremely stable
[04:24] Nexxy: are you talking about presto?
[04:24] Nuck: And it's pioneering in UI
[04:25] Nuck: However, Opera is not exactly cutting-edge when it comes to CSS3 or HTML5
[04:25] tbranyen: its not?
[04:25] tbranyen: say whaaaat
[04:25] Nexxy: it has all the -o- variants I've needed
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[04:26] Nuck: By the time every modern browser had 90% of the CSS3 stuff built (webkit was at 99%), they were just starting
[04:26] tbranyen: so what? thats old
[04:26] Nuck: Webkit is always cutting-edge on that
[04:26] tbranyen: modern opera is what you should be commenting on
[04:26] Nuck: Mostly because they *invent* everything
[04:26] tbranyen: shit changes every month
[04:26] Nuck: tbranyen: They showed they lagged
[04:26] tbranyen: and?
[04:26] tbranyen: so did mozilla
[04:26] tbranyen: they are working on catching up as well
[04:26] Nuck: Yeah, and I no longer use Firefox either
[04:26] tbranyen: and safari is even worse
[04:27] Nuck: But Firefox was at least partaking in the standards
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[04:27] Nuck: Mozilla and Apple were two of the biggest players in CSS3's development
[04:27] Nuck: I'm pretty sure they were both cofounders of WHATWG
[04:28] tbranyen: feels like i'm wearing, nothing at all
[04:28] Nuck: tbranyen: Are you naked?
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[05:09] rmzg: So
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[05:09] rmzg: Anyone have any ideas how to get node.js running on a powerpc debian box?
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[05:19] rmzg: Exception: supported architectures are arm, ia32, x64 but NOT 'powerpc'.
[05:19] rmzg: This is making me sad!
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[05:33] Daegalus: anyone know off the top of their head how to parse a string to an integer or double?
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[05:33] Daegalus: preferably integer
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[05:39] tmzt: Daegalus: parseInt or parseFloat
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[05:39] tmzt: shoudl throw an exception if not valid I think
[05:39] tmzt: or be NaN donn't rmember which
[05:39] Daegalus: ok, cool thanks tmzt
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[05:42] Pe_Ell: sup, so npm install socket.io fails...  anyone think they could help?  https://gist.github.com/1199854
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[06:00] JoeCA: Hi all 
[06:00] joshkehn: Hi JoeCA 
[06:00] JoeCA: Are you guys familiar with G-WAN 
[06:00] JoeCA: I was reading and found this thread http://forum.gwan.com/index.php?p=/discussion/346/proxying-to-node.js/p1
[06:01] JoeCA: they use V8 with Gwan, and they talk about comparing it to node, ... and it is 2- 9 times faster than NodeJS
[06:01] Nexxy: where have I heard that before
[06:01] JoeCA: scroll down to the bottom 
[06:01] Nexxy: oh yes, every stacked benchmark ever
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[06:02] Nexxy: at what point do we reach "fast enough"?
[06:02] JoeCA: there is never fast enough .... 
[06:02] joshkehn: Someone benched some shitty Java code against Node with similar results. 
[06:02] JoeCA: if i can run a webserver from my cell phone , why not? :) 
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[06:02] joshkehn: There are lies, damn lies, statistics, and then benchmarks. 
[06:02] joshkehn: Why would you want to run a web server from your cell phone?
[06:03] Nexxy: to serve content?
[06:03] Nexxy: on the go?
[06:03] Nexxy: it seems like a fairly obvious answer to me
[06:03] JoeCA: as small as my cell phone :P 
[06:03] joshkehn: To whom?
[06:03] joshkehn: That's the fairly obvious question to me.
[06:03] Nexxy: are you new to the internet?
[06:03] Nexxy: lol
[06:03] JoeCA: in case of a disaster , 
[06:04] JoeCA: create a mesh network on the fly , 
[06:04] joshkehn: How if you said to create a on-the-fly mobile server for pooling images or whatnot that would sound doable.
[06:04] JoeCA: and serve usefill info, first aid , maps , routes ... 
[06:04] Nexxy: lol
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[06:04] joshkehn: Stuff dreams are made of. 
[06:04] joshkehn: Good dreams mind you. 
[06:04] Nexxy: pretty sure dreams are made of DMT
[06:04] Nexxy: but whatever you say
[06:05] rmzg: Let's be honest, cellphones are roughly 5 times faster than the first computers that ran Apache
[06:05] joshkehn: Hah. Did you read that in a comic / image panel recently?
[06:05] rmzg: I'm pretty sure tehy can manage it
[06:05] joshkehn: Handle sure. 
[06:05] Nexxy: joshkehn, me?
[06:05] JoeCA: anyways, I was curious about the design of the node HTTP webserver ... 
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[06:05] joshkehn: Nexxy: Yes.
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[06:05] rmzg: On an unrelated note, how do I install node on this ppc machine?
[06:05] Nexxy: lol
[06:05] joshkehn: Nexxy: I read that recently somewhere and was wondering if you read the same one.
[06:06] joshkehn: rmzg: By replacing the PPC chips with Intel ones? ;)
[06:06] Nexxy: I learned of DMT on something like erowid many moons ago
[06:06] brainproxy: if you could build some discovery/routing mechanisms into it, the principle could be used to build out a mesh network on the fly which could, say, link phones behind an otherwise firewalled network into the open Internet
[06:06] JoeCA: yes, 
[06:06] joshkehn: Looks like V8 doesn't run on PPC so Node won't either.
[06:06] Nexxy: so something like http://www.open-mesh.com/ only for cellies?
[06:06] joshkehn: rmzg: --^
[06:06] rmzg: SAD FACE
[06:07] JoeCA: there is already a project for that routing discover thing ... 
[06:07] brainproxy: i imagine the idea might be controversial in say .. ahem .. mainland china
[06:08] Nexxy: or, you know... anywhere
[06:08] JoeCA: back to Node 
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[06:11] JoeCA: "Thanks for demonstrating the real gap between Node.js and G-WAN + Javascript."
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[07:35] [AD]Turbo: hi there
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[07:37] anubhaw: I am invoking process.exit(1) on uncaughtException event. But my node process doesn't exit. my understanding of process.exit() is that It should exit node process no matter what. are there any cases where it might not exit and wait for already running requests to complete ? 
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[07:40] xerox: anubhaw
[07:40] xerox: you need to do something like process.reallyEdit
[07:40] xerox: *reallyExit
[07:40] xerox: I saw it somewhere
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[07:44] anubhaw: xerox: got it , It worked :) . Reasoning mentioned here http://visionmedia.github.com/masteringnode/book.html under head process.exit() . Thanks for help
[07:44] xerox: : )
[07:44] xerox: no problem
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[08:06] Skola: well any promising work anyhow
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[08:48] Creap: I'm considering cloning a bunch of Underscore.js functions, but instead of passing data to the function you pass a key to for instance a redis database, each would use smembers or hgetall depending on what type of data is at the key. Does that make sense, is there some other similar interface already for some other db?
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[08:57] ap123: I am using express and I want to have a reverse proxy for some urls (but not all). How do I do that?
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[09:21] robinduckett: morning all
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[09:40] astropirate: Good morning Noders
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[09:42] garrensmith: can I style a input size in css?
[09:42] garrensmith: well I mean set not style
[09:42] rmzg: What?
[09:43] garrensmith: I have a group of input elements in my form and I want to group set their size to 25
[09:43] garrensmith: not quite node related I know
[09:43] radiodario: size as in char length?
[09:43] garrensmith: sorry I'm talking on the frontend in the html
[09:43] radiodario: or size as in width?
[09:43] radiodario: i.e. in chars or in pixels?
[09:43] garrensmith: length
[09:43] garrensmith: chars
[09:44] radiodario: well not sure but why don't you just do a $('#inputid').val().length check?
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[09:44] radiodario: and say alert('eh dude your input is way too long why don't you just like, shorten it or something? Jeez!');
[09:45] garrensmith: radiodario: no worries I sorted it. thanks
[09:46] radiodario: so how did you sort it?
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[09:51] Glenjamin: not strictly nodeJS, but anyone around familiar with semver - I kinda want to have the version number in 'master' be x.x.x-dev or similar to indicate its higher than the last release but lower than the next somehow
[09:51] Glenjamin: any recommendations for what to use in this case?
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[09:52] cryptix: it should be v0.5.6-pre right now
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[09:54] cryptix: Glenjamin: take a look at src/node_version.h and NODE_VERSION_IS_RELEASE
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[09:55] radiodario: cheers for telling us how you did it, garrensmith 
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[09:56] garrensmith: radiodario: I deleted it and explicity set the size in the inpputs :-)
[09:56] radiodario: ok man
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[10:04] Glenjamin: cryptix: the problem with that is that according to semver pre > beta > alpha
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[10:25] cryptix: Glenjamin: ok i see what you mean. i was just trying to give a hint where the -pre string comes from
[10:25] wolftankk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6k8lTrAE2g
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[10:25] cryptix: can somebody confirm the windows build failing at test-fs-utimes?
[10:26] Glenjamin: the suffix is sorted by ascii, so i could cheat by using capitals :D
[10:27] Glenjamin: beta > alpha > PRE > DEV
[10:28] cryptix: Glenjamin: yeah that would make more sense :)
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[10:43] simenbrekken: I just upgraded npm and I'm not noticing it installing everything to ./node_modules, is this intended or have I screwed up somewhere?
[10:44] tomb: simenbrekken: it'll install to ./node_modules unless you pass the "-g" flag for global
[10:44] simenbrekken: tomb: aha, I guess that's the "major change" I noticed somewhere
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[10:49] mrdoodles: morning everyone
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[11:18] onre: hi folks. i'm mostly new to node.js and i've written a small program that calculates certain percentages out of a large pedigree tree. it performs way better than the php version did, but i still wonder if i could make it faster. i've tried profiling it and looks like i'm spending 66% of time in garbage collector, if i read the profiling output correctly
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[11:37] augustl: how do I check if an arbitrary object is a Buffer? `foo instanceof Buffer` doesn't seem to work.
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[11:37] augustl: nvm, it does
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[11:39] onre: i think i should somehow refactor my code to avoid spending 2/3 of time in garbage collector. the code is very recursion-heavy because of the nature of the calculation i'm performing... is there possibly a document describing techniques for making things easier for the gc, or something?
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[11:42] eviltwin_: can anyone offer advice on getting connect to work with node.js v0.5.5?
[11:43] eviltwin_: npm fails saying requirements are Required: {"node":">= 0.4.1 < 0.5.0"}
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[11:47] ablomen: eviltwin_, afaik it wont, i remember them saying theyll wait for the next stable verion (0.6)
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[11:47] eviltwin_: bleh bleh bleh... I wanted to use it in a project that needs SNI :(
[11:48] ablomen: eviltwin_, you don't want to use 0.5 versions for production anyway
[11:48] eviltwin_: ablomen: more a toy than production at this stage :)
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[11:48] ablomen: ah ok
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[11:50] eviltwin_: ablomen: silly question but is there an eta on v0.6 or is it more a case of "when it's done"?
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[12:04] ablomen: eviltwin_, i have no idea
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[12:34] cryptix: eviltwin_: from the amount of failing tests on windows i presume at least one maybe two month befor 0.6.. 
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[12:44] eviltwin_: cryptix: thanks. Unfortunately SNI support in the tls client is required for what I've got brewing so I guess I'll just have to live on unstable for now... unless there's any chance of it being backported (I assume not)
[12:44] dmkbot: joyent/node: cryptix: test-fs-utimes - debug assertion fails on win32 - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1666
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[13:14] astropirate: A question about the module system:  If you modify the Object object in one module, will it affect the Object object in others?
[13:15] xerox: try?
[13:15] astropirate: dont have node seupt
[13:15] astropirate: on my currentmachine
[13:15] xerox: it's p easy
[13:16] xerox: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Installation
[13:16] Raynos: astropirate: it does
[13:16] astropirate: The reason why i ask is because i'm really liking Sugarjs 
[13:16] astropirate: i don't want to include it in EVERY single file that i'm working on
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[13:18] Glenjamin: astropirate: if you modify the object yes
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[13:18] Raynos: astropirate: sugar extends prototypes so thats a global extension anyway
[13:18] Glenjamin: but not if you assign to it
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[13:19] astropirate: Raynos: it doens't extend prototype jsut the Object object and other built in types
[13:19] Raynos: It does extend the prototypes :\
[13:19] astropirate: nope
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[13:19] Raynos: 'abcdefgh'.split(/[bdf]/); How else would it do that
[13:20] astropirate: it ads a method to the String object
[13:20] astropirate: Raynos: http://sugarjs.com/native
[13:20] astropirate: doesn't add it to the String.prototype object
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[13:21] Raynos: It does add it to String.prototpye
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[13:21] Raynos: It just doesn't augment Object.prototype
[13:22] Raynos: Because sugar corrupts global state (prototypes) you can just include it once
[13:23] dmkbot: joyent/node: ArtS: Weird 'require' behaviour - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/410
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[13:27] astropirate: Raynos: You are right :) 
[13:27] astropirate: i had to look into the code to know what you meant
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[13:28] Raynos: Well its a simple matter of printing "String.prototype.add" and testing it
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[13:28] astropirate: i know you CAN do that i didn't know thats what sugar did
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[13:40] Raynos: Theres nothing wrong with doing that, thats the only way you get the sugarjs API
[13:40] Raynos: personally I dont need it, ES5 is enough
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[13:48] dmkbot: joyent/node: cryptix: test-fs-utimes - debug assertion fails on win32 - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1666
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[13:59] industrial: I don't understand http://senchalabs.github.com/connect/middleware-static.html
[13:59] industrial: you give it a local directory name
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[13:59] industrial: but where is the route/server path ?
[13:59] industrial: e.g. where do i access those files its serving
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[14:01] Raynos: you route by name
[14:01] Raynos: "/css/site.css" for public/css/site.css
[14:02] industrial: I don't understand
[14:02] Raynos: Look at the static example
[14:02] Raynos: on express
[14:02] Glenjamin: industrial: unless you specify otherwise when adding the middleware, it's at /
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[14:03] industrial: app.use(express.static(__dirname + '/public', { maxAge: oneYear })); ?
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[14:03] industrial: Glenjamin: yes, so I want it under /static, how do I do that
[14:03] Raynos: https://github.com/senchalabs/connect/blob/master/examples/static.js
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[14:03] Raynos: app.use("/static", express.static...)
[14:03] industrial: kay
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[14:04] eazyigz: does anybody know where I can find examples on using Mongoose?  Their github page has practically no examples.  And LearnBoost's examples are incorrect
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[14:04] Raynos: eazyigz: search for modules and websites building on top of mongoose, otherwise read the source
[14:05] Croms: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/modules http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqH21LEmfbQ
[14:06] Nuck: That shitty documentation is why I ditched Mongoose originally
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[14:06] Nuck: But honestly, it's not my style anyways
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[14:08] Raynos: I dont use mongodb so thats cool
[14:08] Raynos: the API is a pain in the ass. Couch & redis are nicer to use
[14:08] Nuck: Oh, I would say the opposite
[14:08] eazyigz: Raynos: thanks.  Unfortunately my problem is compounded by the fact that I am forced to use CoffeeScript
[14:08] Nuck: Mongo is what happens when you apply SQL to JSON
[14:08] Nuck: And it's a glorious thing
[14:09] industrial: Mongoose is still being built actively
[14:09] industrial: If you find documentation lacking, find out how it works and YOU document it.
[14:09] eazyigz: i have no issue with Mongo.  I have a hard time using Mongoose with node.js
[14:09] industrial: eazyigz: #mongoose
[14:09] Nuck: industrial: The author should document it.  That's what I always say.
[14:09] industrial: err, #mongoosejs
[14:09] Raynos: eazyigz: ew why would you be forced to use cs?
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[14:09] industrial: Nuck: the author is everyone that is comitting, documentation is also commits
[14:10] industrial: (yay open source)
[14:10] eazyigz: Raynos: that is the direction our CTO decided to take the company
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[14:10] Raynos: Nuck: yes they should but if the community helps then the project grows
[14:10] industrial: I'm pushing for CS here :P
[14:10] Nuck: industrial: I expect he who writes the source code is he who documents the source code
[14:10] Nuck: industrial: Why the fuck would you do that?
[14:10] Nuck: CS is horrible
[14:10] Raynos: eazyigz: guess you'll have to learn it, its not that bad
[14:10] Nuck: Hideous language
[14:11] industrial: sticks and stones, your opinion, etc
[14:11] Nuck: Not nearly as elegant as JavaScript
[14:11] Raynos: CS isn't that bad. It's like comparing VB & C#
[14:11] Raynos: Sure C# is better but VB is not that bad
[14:11] Nuck: Raynos: Yeah, you'd never use VB for anything SERIOUS, though
[14:11] Nuck: That's the difference
[14:11] industrial: Nuck: guess you dont like python and ruby either then
[14:11] Nuck: People are using CS for serious projects
[14:11] Raynos: Nuck: VB.NET and C#.NET are feature equivelant
[14:11] Raynos: it's just personal preference
[14:11] Glenjamin: CS != python or ruby
[14:12] Raynos: CS and JS are feature complete, its personal preference
[14:12] industrial: yes it is, greatly influenced.
[14:12] Nuck: industrial: You caught me.
[14:12] Glenjamin: its like the most annoying bits of each combined
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[14:12] Nuck: Raynos: CS and JS are not the same features
[14:12] Nuck: CS provides classical inheritance
[14:12] Nuck: JS provides prototyped inheritance
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[14:12] Nuck: There's an obvious divide there
[14:12] Glenjamin: eugh, why are people always trying to do classical in JS
[14:12] Raynos: Nuck: lies.
[14:12] Raynos: You dont have to use classical OO in CS
[14:12] Raynos: although I also hate classical OO emulation
[14:12] Glenjamin: util.inherits is all you need
[14:12] Nuck: Glenjamin: My sentiments exactly
[14:12] industrial: lies indeed, CS compiled TO js so it is always prototypal inheritance
[14:13] Raynos: ew util.inherits :(
[14:13] Nuck: industrial: Nope, CS has classical emulation
[14:13] Raynos: Use object.create
[14:13] Raynos: Nuck: you dont have to use it
[14:13] Raynos: Avoid `class` like its poison
[14:13] Glenjamin: util.inherits uses object.create
[14:13] industrial: I'd rather have a proper OO implemented in JS
[14:13] Glenjamin: but also sets constructor
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[14:13] Nuck: Raynos: Sure, but it's a language feature, so people will use it
[14:13] Nuck: And that's bad
[14:13] aaronmcadam: CS does lotsa crazy stuff with __super__
[14:14] Raynos: Nuck: I agree. CS is silly
[14:14] Nuck: Because, ya know, *classical emulation*
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[14:14] Nuck: CS is a well-meaning idea
[14:14] Nuck: But they took it so far
[14:14] aaronmcadam: I bought the book on CS I'm gonna reserve my initial judgements until i dig in
[14:14] Raynos: Nuck: but ES6 might have class :(
[14:14] Nuck: It's like they wanted to redo everything from scratch
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[14:14] Raynos: What are we going to do if ES6 does classical OO/
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[14:15] Glenjamin: https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/lib/util.js#L455 <- all you need for "classes" in 10 lines
[14:15] industrial: rejoice, Raynos.
[14:15] Nuck: Raynos: I'm not a fan of Harmony.  Never have been, never will be
[14:15] Nuck: JS is prototypical
[14:15] Nuck: It's built around that
[14:15] Nuck: You can't just add classes
[14:15] aaronmcadam: i don't think harmony will come to fruition for a long time
[14:15] Nuck: It really doesn't work like that
[14:15] Raynos: Well harmony has some nice things, just classical OO is an abomination
[14:15] aaronmcadam: yeah, that's silly
[14:15] Raynos: I also dont like util.inherits
[14:15] Glenjamin: why not?
[14:15] Nuck: I do yearn for classical OO
[14:16] Nuck: But JS is prototypical and I accept that
[14:16] Raynos: I use object.create directly : http://raynos.github.com/vows-fluent/docs/vows-fluent.html
[14:16] aaronmcadam: hehe prototypical :)
[14:16] Raynos: And I like inheriting from objects not functions.
[14:16] Glenjamin: Raynos: i could take or leave .super_, but setting constructor properly is great
[14:16] industrial: I prefer Lua's OO model (metatables)
[14:16] Raynos: `new` and `.prototype` are evil aswell
[14:16] industrial: to JS
[14:16] Raynos: Glenjamin I dont need the constructor property, I dont use constructors
[14:16] Glenjamin: it's crockford in disguise!
[14:16] Nuck: Raynos: new *is* evil
[14:16] Glenjamin: why?
[14:16] Nuck: But prototypes are faster in V8
[14:17] Raynos: You dont need it
[14:17] Nuck: By a HUGE margin
[14:17] Nuck: Something like 10x faster
[14:17] Raynos: Ugh micro optimisation
[14:17] Nuck: With lower memory footprint
[14:17] aaronmcadam: yeah new is awful
[14:17] aaronmcadam: literals ftw
[14:17] Nuck: So for something with many instances, I'm gonna use prototypes
[14:17] davve: um
[14:17] davve: just be sure to delete
[14:17] Glenjamin: i dont *need* higher order functions, but i still use them
[14:17] davve: if you use new
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[14:17] Sorella: Nuck, how is `new' evil? It's just a keyword, it does no evilness.
[14:17] Nuck: However, I'll use a function for something that'll have a few things
[14:17] Glenjamin: why would i not use new and prototype?
[14:17] Sorella: s/keyword/operator/
[14:17] davve: if you
[14:18] davve: re worried about gc
[14:18] Raynos: Sorella: it has a java API
[14:18] Raynos: you don't need the new keyword
[14:18] Nuck: Sorella: It misbehaves a lot, like it breaks with natives
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[14:18] Raynos: You should be using Object.create instead
[14:18] Sorella: that is true, you could just use Object.create
[14:18] Sorella: I like new with constructors though, they look nice :3
[14:18] Raynos: new encourages classical OO
[14:18] Raynos: I dont use constructors, I use factories.
[14:18] Sorella: Raynos, heh, it doesn't.
[14:19] Nuck: davve: Once I stop referencing an object that I built from a prototype, it should be GC'd.
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[14:19] Glenjamin: aside from syntax, what's the difference?
[14:19] Sorella: Raynos, object literals don't let me code like this: https://gist.github.com/1174881 =/
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[14:19] davve: aye, it should be
[14:19] davve: you never know :P
[14:19] Raynos: Sorella my eyes, they bleed
[14:19] Nuck: davve: I trust Google ;)
[14:19] Sorella: Raynos, haha.
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[14:20] Sorella: Though I don't go with long prototypical chains, just use traits instead.
[14:21] Nuck: I just wish I had the *syntax* of class-based setups, even if we remained with prototypical inheritance
[14:21] Glenjamin: you can only do traits with copying though, no?
[14:21] Nuck: It's just that prototypes are so fucking wordy
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[14:21] Sorella: Glenjamin, yeah. Traits on the prototype directly though, not on a per-instance basis.
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[14:21] Sorella: so I don't have as much overhead.
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[14:22] Glenjamin: Nuck: i can sorta see that, especially when doing non-enumerable methods
[14:22] Sorella: Nuck, you can have a sorta-class-based syntax with constructors.
[14:22] Nuck: I want a block that acts as a closure, mostly
[14:22] Nuck: Sorella: Yeah, but it's not nearly as efficient
[14:22] Sorella: Object.create is what's awful. defineProperties should use a friendlier syntax.
[14:22] Glenjamin: https://github.com/glenjamin/nodespec/blob/master/lib/example-group.js is my preferred method of defining "classes"
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[14:23] Nuck: Oh hup gotta go walk to school
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[14:23] Raynos: Sorella: fixed it : https://gist.github.com/1200687
[14:24] Sorella: Glenjamin, looks a little too verbose eh
[14:24] Raynos: Traits is a pain in the ass. Use pd : https://github.com/Raynos/pd
[14:25] Sorella: Raynos, :3
[14:25] Sorella: I don't have closured prototypes that way though, and no function hoisting.
[14:25] Sorella: 
ACTION really likes hoisting.

[14:25] Raynos: No you dont want closured prototypes >_<
[14:25] Raynos: Use one or the other
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[14:26] Sorella: I don't mean Cockford's closure OO, just that I can define little helper functions directly in the prototype immediately invoked function instead of defining it on the outter scope.
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[14:27] Raynos: I dont see the point
[14:27] Raynos: isn't that arbitary style preference
[14:27] brianc: howdy
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[14:27] brianc: I been workin' on a module to build sql statements...anyone interested in putting some mysql or sqlite syntax into it?  https://github.com/brianc/node-sql/blob/master/test/dialect-tests.js
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[14:28] Sorella: pd does look nice though.
[14:28] Sorella: Raynos, yep, just style preference.
[14:28] Sorella: It lets me organise my code the way I see fit, rather than the way the parser will read it.
[14:28] Glenjamin: Sorella: which part do you consider verbose?
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[14:28] Raynos: Glenjamin propertydescriptors are verbose as hell
[14:29] Glenjamin: can't disagree there
[14:29] Raynos: Oh the code was verbose not pd
[14:29] Sorella: Glenjamin, most of it, I'd say.
[14:29] Glenjamin: you prefer assigning an object literal to the prototype?
[14:29] Raynos: I prefer object literals myself
[14:29] Raynos: but then again I have small objects and mix them together
[14:30] Raynos: My object literals dont tend to get larger then the screen height so its manageable
[14:30] Sorella: Glenjamin, yep. I also prefer functions over getters/setters.
[14:30] Sorella: but eh, that's a matter of personal styles, methinks.
[14:30] Glenjamin: mm
[14:31] Glenjamin: When its an API thats going to be used a fair bit, i'd rather the API code be a bit more verbose than the caller be more verbose
[14:31] Sorella: Glenjamin, you can have conciseness in both sides, though :3
[14:31] Raynos: Also ew jsdoc ;)
[14:31] Raynos: or whatever that is
[14:31] Glenjamin: it's natural docs
[14:32] Glenjamin: because i couldn't find anything better
[14:32] Glenjamin: and i'd like to keep my docs next to my methods
[14:32] Raynos: I use docco
[14:32] Raynos: and hand written API docs
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[14:32] Glenjamin: hand written api docs puts too much distance between docs and code for my taste
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[14:32] Sorella: I used to use docco, but some aspects of it really bugged me.
[14:32] aaronmcadam: isn't it easier to get docs out of sync if u hand write em
[14:32] Sorella: Like not being able to define custom blocks.
[14:32] Raynos: docco and multiple files really dont work
[14:33] Raynos: aaron: my docs and comments are always out of sync :P
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[14:33] aaronmcadam: lol
[14:33] Raynos: You want to know what it does, here's the code \o/
[14:33] Sorella: Raynos, haha
[14:33] Glenjamin: i'm not really on board with docco, reading code and reading docs are two separate use cases
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[14:33] Raynos: Glenjamin but that depends what docs is
[14:34] Sorella: Glenjamin, I like literate programming, only I think it should describe WHY the code does something, people usually describe what the code does =/
[14:34] Raynos: there is the code and there is the high level API overview
[14:34] Raynos: You need both
[14:34] Glenjamin: this lib has a public API, which has the docs - the implementation details are just that, and are free to change wildly
[14:34] Raynos: docco just annotates the code so its more readable
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[14:35] Raynos: I agree we need an API documentation solution
[14:35] Glenjamin: be more verbose, then you wont need so much annotation :p
[14:35] Raynos: but natural docs & jsdoc dont work
[14:35] Raynos: Glenjamin: I dont need documentation, other people do ;)
[14:35] Glenjamin: we were brainstorming some ideas with DrMcKay the other day
[14:35] Raynos: Like for example,
[14:35] Raynos: the connect, express & npm source code is a pain to grok
[14:35] Raynos: If that was annotated it would be easier
[14:35] Glenjamin: then it's bad code :p
[14:35] Sorella: I found natural docs actually interesting.
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[14:36] Glenjamin: naturaldocs was the best solution i found
[14:36] Raynos: I hate API definitions in my code, is all
[14:36] Sorella: but I'd prefer much something written in javascript, so I could freely extend it to my likings.
[14:36] Raynos: The best solution is hand made documentation
[14:36] Glenjamin: because it didn't attempt to parse the source too much
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[14:36] Glenjamin: except as you already said
[14:36] Glenjamin: its out of sync
[14:36] Glenjamin: naturaldocs is halfway between
[14:37] Glenjamin: and i'd be happy to contribute to a NodeJS aware implementation of something similar
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[14:39] Glenjamin: i see what you mean about npm :o
[14:39] Glenjamin: https://github.com/isaacs/npm/blob/master/npm.js#L129
[14:40] Glenjamin: but imo verbosity and clarity in code is better than annotating everything with comments
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[14:41] Sorella: Glenjamin, I like conciseness and clarity better :3
[14:41] Sorella: you can be clear about the intent of the code without being verbose.
[14:42] Glenjamin: i guess i mean explicit more than verbose
[14:42] Sorella: Glenjamin, ah, yes :3
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[14:44] niftylettuce: fs.readDir with regex? i thought there was an optional filter you could apply easily -- anyone know how?
[14:44] Glenjamin: i should probably do some sugar for non-enumerable prototype methods
[14:44] niftylettuce: didnt see it in the docs
[14:45] niftylettuce: figured it out
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[14:45] Sorella: Glenjamin, I've started a documentation toolkit in JavaScript that's something between docco and Natural Docs. Really early stages though, and I'm more worried in integrating it all in Emacs' org-mode.
[14:46] Glenjamin: fn(target, method, dfn) = Object.defineProperty(target, method, { get: dfn }) - not sure what i'd call the module though
[14:46] Glenjamin: Sorella: any WIP i can look at?
[14:46] Sorella: Glenjamin, it would be interesting having a pre-processor for some of the stuff coming in ES6. The new property descriptor literal is better iirc
[14:47] Glenjamin: I'm thinking that because there's such a wide array of definition styles (as we just demonstrated), declaring the signature in the docblock is going to be better than trying to parse it
[14:47] Sorella: Glenjamin, currently there's only a draft syntax spec on github. https://raw.github.com/killdream/calliope/master/docs/source/syntax/blocks.org
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[14:49] Sorella: Glenjamin, the actual syntax for blocks looks like this: https://github.com/killdream/black/blob/master/src/list.js#L41
[14:49] Glenjamin: not a huge fan of the ///////, but i like the general approach :)
[14:51] Sorella: Glenjamin, well, the slashes after the heading text are optional. The starting ones define the heading nesting.
[14:51] CoverSlide: yeah eww to multiple slashes
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[14:52] CoverSlide: better just to parse a big /* */ block
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[14:53] Sorella: CoverSlide, I never liked the syntax for multiline comments in JS. But perhaps I'm a bit spoiled because I don't need to type the slashes in Emacs :3
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[14:53] eiro: hello 
[14:54] Sorella: It makes easier for telling apart code blocks from documentation blocks too, imho
[14:54] Glenjamin: thats what syntax highlighting is for
[14:55] CoverSlide: that's what rtfs is for
[14:56] Raynos: Glenjamin my issue is that your inline documentation in your code is noise
[14:56] Raynos: and makes reading your code a pain in the ass
[14:56] Raynos: Theres a clear mental seperation between code & API docs in my head and I dont like reading them at the same time
[14:56] Glenjamin: i can sorta see that
[14:56] CoverSlide: good point, Raynos 
[14:57] Glenjamin: its the same reason i don't like docco, but from the other side :p
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[15:00] Raynos: Glenjamin: the reason I like docco is because its seperate
[15:00] Raynos: I can read only the right hand side and ignore all comments
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[15:00] Raynos: I cant just ignore comments block when reading in a top to bottom way
[15:00] Glenjamin: but not while you're editing the file
[15:00] Sorella: Raynos, well, I do agree with you, but when I'm reading source, I also want the code to contain basic pieces of information like: "why that code is there? Is a function pure? Is it dependant on anything else besides the apparent things, like the time it's called?"; 2. I dislike reading comments that go directly inside the function. I think it really deviates from the reading of how something is being performed.
[15:00] Glenjamin: which is the bit you don't like about mine
[15:00] dylang: anybody try hosting images from mongodb via express?  I want to make sure i get caching (client and server) right.
[15:00] Raynos: I guess so
[15:00] Raynos: But I know my code, so its cool
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[15:00] Raynos: we need documentation for other people
[15:00] Sorella: I'd rather have a simple function to name a long or difficult to follow operation.
[15:01] Raynos: you read docs, you dont edit them
[15:01] Glenjamin: you have to keep it easy to write though, or they fall out of sync and become useless
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[15:01] Raynos: True
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[15:02] Raynos: I think docco is good enough, although I dont do enough with the comments
[15:02] Raynos: my comments are fake high level descriptions
[15:02] Raynos: I need to go punch vows-is because that source code is unreadable
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[15:02] Raynos: Sorella: https://github.com/killdream/black/tree/master/docs
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[15:02] Raynos: Where are those hosted
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[15:03] Sorella: Raynos, github.
[15:03] Sorella: on the gh-pages branch
[15:03] Raynos: Thats a dead link for me
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[15:03] Raynos: http://killdream.github.com/black
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[15:05] Sorella: Raynos, well, that should be it, but apparently github is having some problems with serving that eh
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[15:06] Raynos: but yeah if anyone has a good documentation solution that doesnt annoy my code and is good to read let me know o/
[15:07] Sorella: Raynos, I've actually written the docs for Black separately, using markdown and Hyde.
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[15:07] Raynos: Yeah thats what I would suggest aswell
[15:08] Raynos: its just a pain to keep them in sync
[15:08] Raynos: I know my docs are out of sync
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[15:08] CoverSlide: do like perl does
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[15:08] CoverSlide: add all documentation to the bottom of the script
[15:08] Glenjamin: might as well be a different file at that point
[15:09] agoole: once I've started node, if I've made a mistake, how do I stop it ?
[15:09] ablomen: CoverSlide, but that's because all the perl code is on one line anyway
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[15:09] Glenjamin: Sorella: the gh-pages branch appears to be a normal branch, not a servable static site
[15:09] CoverSlide: agoole: Ctrl-C
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[15:10] Sorella: Glenjamin, afaik, gh-pages are a normal branch, with at least a index.html page
[15:10] CoverSlide: take my love, take my land, take me where i cannot stand ...
[15:10] Sorella: well, you don't need a index.html iirc
[15:11] agoole: CoverSlide: oops, guess I was trying to kill a process which wasn't mine...bhaha.
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[15:12] Glenjamin: Sorella: my understanding is the gh-pages branch is supposed to be just the static pages you want serving
[15:13] Glenjamin: hence why http://killdream.github.com/black doesn't work
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[15:13] Sorella: Glenjamin, nope, you can put anything on it.
[15:13] Sorella: in fact, you can make you whole repo a gh-pages branch
[15:14] Glenjamin: oh, it's working again
[15:14] Glenjamin: wasn't serving a minute ago
[15:14] Sorella: yeah, I rebuilt it and pushed to github again.
[15:15] Glenjamin: ah
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[15:27] cronopio: Hi noders!!!
[15:27] CoverSlide: hi cronopio !!!
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[15:30] Raynos: Sorella: purple, what were you thinking?
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[15:32] CoverSlide: he likes purple
[15:32] CoverSlide: and he's a doll-lover too
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[15:33] Sorella: Raynos, I wanted to go with pink, it was sold-out though =/
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[15:34] Raynos: doll lover .-.
[15:35] Raynos: Why did I need to be told that?
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[15:36] CoverSlide: I felt it was related to his liking of purple
[15:36] Sorella: not really a doll-lover in general. I'm just into BJDs.
[15:36] context: best topic ever !
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[15:37] Raynos: Sorella: punch gh-pages : http://killdream.github.com/orpheos
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[15:39] Raynos: Sorella: https://github.com/killdream/orpheos -.- why is there no source code. That's just frustrating
[15:39] Glenjamin: DDD
[15:39] Glenjamin: Documentation Driven Development
[15:39] Sorella: Raynos, It's still in planning phase. I'm currently designing the non-hierarchical filesystem.
[15:39] Sorella: Glenjamin, haha, kinda like that.
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[15:40] CoverSlide: and why are you hosting it on bitbucket instead of gh?
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[15:41] Sorella: CoverSlide, I was hosting it on bitbucket because working with hg-git wasn't going that well, I've moved back to github though.
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[15:42] Sorella: (and yes, I don't use git)
[15:42] kmiyashiro: why is setting foo.prototype = new bar(); wrong?
[15:42] kmiyashiro: something about the constructor
[15:43] CoverSlide: what's wrong with that?
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[15:43] Glenjamin: if the constructor does something or takes args, it might error
[15:45] Sorella: kmiyashiro, you're executing the constructor, and you *REALLY* don't want that.
[15:45] CoverSlide: it would have to depend on what bar() is. I personally use `foo.prototype = Object.create(bar.prototype)` when I can
[15:45] Glenjamin: util.inherits for me :)
[15:45] kmiyashiro: right, Object.create doesn't execute the constructor
[15:45] kmiyashiro: but all the answers on stack overflow and most of the internet say to do that
[15:46] CoverSlide: if you're not on ES5 you don't have much choice
[15:46] Glenjamin: they're generally from before Object.create, and they have to worry about browser compat
[15:46] kmiyashiro: but there's a polyfill for Object.create, isn't there?
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[15:47] CoverSlide: the polyfill executes the constructor anyway
[15:47] Glenjamin: Object.create = function(src) { var f = function(){}; f.prototype = src; return new f() };
[15:47] Raynos: kmiyashiro its wrong because :(. Use object.create
[15:47] Glenjamin: CoverSlide: doens't have to
[15:48] kmiyashiro: Glenjamin: but isn't that executing the constructor?
[15:48] Raynos: Really you want var foo = Object.create(bar, { ... })
[15:48] CoverSlide: oh right
[15:48] CoverSlide: personally haven't used the polyfill myself
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[15:48] Glenjamin: kmiyashiro: nope, it creates a new empty constructor and steals the prototype of the original
[15:48] Raynos: using `.prototype` and constructors is also iffy
[15:48] Sorella: kmiyashiro, if you're in Node.js, you don't need to worry about ES5 support. If you need to support shitty IE browsers, just include es5-shim.js and save your sanity.
[15:48] CoverSlide: Raynos: we're talking about foo being the `class`, not the `instance`
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[15:49] CoverSlide: so that from there you can do `var baz = Object.create(foo.prototype)`
[15:49] kmiyashiro: ic
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[15:50] Raynos: CoverSlide: they are the same thing
[15:50] Glenjamin: Raynos: not pre ES5
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[15:50] kmiyashiro: 
ACTION confused

[15:50] Raynos: Glenjamin: lies. __proto__
[15:51] Glenjamin: gtfo :(
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[15:51] Glenjamin: new > __proto__
[15:51] kmiyashiro: what?
[15:51] Raynos: ES3 you do var foo = {}; foo.__proto__ = bar
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[15:51] Raynos: Same thing, there is no class-instance relationship. But this is noise
[15:51] Sorella: var foo = {__proto__: bar}
[15:51] Sorella: but meh Python
[15:51] Glenjamin: __proto__ is evil
[15:51] Glenjamin: for example: https://github.com/caolan/nodeunit/blob/master/lib/assert.js#L96
[15:52] Raynos: Glenjamin: it's bloody evil, don't use it :P
[15:52] Glenjamin: breaks AssertionError.call
[15:52] Raynos: kmiyashiro: http://raynos.org/blog/4/Doing-Object-Oriented-JavaScript
[15:52] Glenjamin: even if i agreed that new was evil, which I don't - i'd still use new over __proto__
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[15:52] CoverSlide: well in ES6 we'll have true classes
[15:53] Raynos: Glenjamin: I agree
[15:53] Raynos: CoverSlide: no :(
[15:53] Raynos: We don't want true classes, we want prototypical OO
[15:53] Raynos: and a better API, because Object.create & Object.defineProperties are a pain in the ass
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[15:54] Draggor: Class based OO is evil
[15:54] Raynos: s/we/I/
[15:54] Glenjamin: they're fit for purpose imo
[15:54] Glenjamin: anyone know if there's an issues page for github itself?
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[15:54] Raynos: Glenjamin: https://github.com/github
[15:54] Raynos: Pick a related thing, complain there
[15:55] softdrink: sooooooo what does everyone think of Ender?
[15:55] CoverSlide: Ender is meh
[15:55] kmiyashiro: Raynos: why would you define properties of your new object with Object.create?
[15:55] softdrink: valid opinion
[15:55] softdrink: why meH?
[15:55] Glenjamin: it's the github file show page =/
[15:55] softdrink: hehe
[15:56] kmiyashiro: instead of afterward with foo.prototype.bar =
[15:56] Raynos: Why use ender when you have browserify
[15:56] Raynos: They both solve the same problem, browserify just does it better
[15:56] Sorella: ES6 won't have classes, it'll have classical sugar for prototypical OO.
[15:56] CoverSlide: i dunno, don't have time to tweak little micro frameworks. I'd rather just add jquery and be done with it
[15:56] Sorella: which is still bad eh
[15:56] Raynos: Sorella: evil. 
[15:56] softdrink: jquery is way too much for my current project
[15:57] Sorella: the Prototypes as "Classes" proposal looked good, but apparently they're not going with it =/
[15:57] Sorella: because "we need to support people who think JS has classical OO. It's easier for them."
[15:57] Raynos: kmiyashiro: because you have objects and you inherit from objects, also style
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[15:57] softdrink: ಠ_ಠ 
[15:57] Raynos: Sorella: thats murderous rage. We dont want people who think JS has classical OO
[15:58] Raynos: We will suffer for it
[15:58] Glenjamin: people who don't know javascript should learn it before writing it
[15:58] kmiyashiro: Raynos: I get the style part, but doesn't foo.prototype.bar = x still allow other objects to inherit bar from foo?
[15:58] tjholowaychuk: they already suffer and ignore the language as it is
[15:58] softdrink: that's like saying "We want to crap all over C so that Java developers feel more at home."
[15:58] Glenjamin: just like *every other programming language ever*
[15:58] CoverSlide: I think 75% of web devs do think that JS has classical OO
[15:58] Sorella: Glenjamin, my feelings exactly.
[15:59] DrMcKay: *ekhm* Python *ekhm*
[15:59] aaronmcadam: i wouldn't say that
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[15:59] Glenjamin: what about python?
[15:59] Sorella: Which is why I like Racket better, they don't need to include shit directly in the language because you can just write your own on top of it.
[15:59] CoverSlide: no language is abused nearly as much as js though
[16:00] DrMcKay: Glenjamin: it doesn't fit into all other languages
[16:00] DrMcKay: it's OO is quite similar to JS one, I think
[16:00] bwinton: CoverSlide: Well, perl gives it a run for its money in that department…
[16:00] joshkehn: CoverSlide: PHP abused pretty hard.
[16:00] Sorella: CoverSlide, I also think PHP and Perl lead the way there.
[16:00] DrMcKay: joshkehn: he said "language". PHP, well...
[16:00] Glenjamin: nah, python has classical OO but with no private/protected
[16:00] onre: i tend to abuse JS but i know i'm doing it
[16:01] onre: does that make it any better :p
[16:01] joshkehn: JavaScript is abused insofar as the browser is concerned.
[16:01] Sorella: And CoffeeScript, a little.
[16:01] Glenjamin: plus python has well defined multiple inheritance semantics
[16:01] DrMcKay: Glenjamin: but you still get that power you have in JS, but not in other languages
[16:01] joshkehn: Maybe it's the Java in me, but I've never found a need for multiple inheritance. 
[16:01] tjholowaychuk: Glenjamin multiple inheritance would be sweet
[16:02] tjholowaychuk: everyone is too focused on js being more trendy though
[16:02] tjholowaychuk: instead of adding useful features
[16:02] Sorella: joshkehn, I've always found mixins/traits are far better than multiple inheritance.
[16:02] Sorella: s/are//
[16:02] joshkehn: Sorella: I agree with you there.
[16:02] aaronmcadam: hmm yeah mixins are nice
[16:02] joshkehn: tjholowaychuk: You mean add useful features to the language?
[16:02] Glenjamin: there's no real difference in python's case
[16:02] aaronmcadam: what do u think of decorators in py?
[16:02] tjholowaychuk: joshkehn yeah, brendan & friends are extremely unfocused, the language is going to shit
[16:02] DrMcKay: aaronmcadam: decorators <3
[16:02] Sorella: aaronmcadam, decorators are nice. You can almost mimic them in JS.
[16:02] tjholowaychuk: with stupid things like proxies
[16:02] aaronmcadam: :D
[16:03] aaronmcadam: yeah I read a post about how to implement em
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[16:03] DrMcKay: tjholowaychuk: proxies?
[16:03] Glenjamin: they're probably not needed in JS because you have proper anonymous functions
[16:03] joshkehn: I think one of the most beautiful things about JavaScript is it's flexibility. I was not impressed with the harmony project's goals at all or Brendan's projections for the language development.
[16:04] tjholowaychuk: joshkehn 100% agree
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[16:04] tjholowaychuk: almost none of it is necessary, we should be scaling back the garbage not adding more of it
[16:04] Sorella: joshkehn, yeah. the only think I still miss in JS are macros though. But I don't think they quite work with the C syntax.
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[16:04] CoverSlide: js just needs simple additions
[16:04] TheJH: Sorella, I built macros :)
[16:04] joshkehn: tjholowaychuk: I'm with you there. 
[16:04] Sorella: TheJH, for JS?
[16:04] CoverSlide: block scoping and destructuring assignment would be nice additions
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[16:05] Sorella: CoverSlide, agreed. Destructuring assignment is specially nice for require calls.
[16:05] joshkehn: CoverSlide: I like the destructuring, but block scoping would wreck it. 
[16:05] Glenjamin: destructuring assignment = splat operator?
[16:05] joshkehn: I prefer the functional scoping.
[16:05] Glenjamin: or a, b = [1,2]
[16:05] TheJH: Sorella, macros file example: https://github.com/thejh/node-cempl8/blob/master/macros , source example: https://github.com/thejh/node-cempl8/blob/master/test.js+ , compilation: https://github.com/thejh/node-cempl8/blob/master/test.js
[16:06] indutny: Hey devs!
[16:06] indutny: Please test this: https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/1667
[16:06] indutny: It would be nice to hear feedback from you!
[16:06] indutny: tl;dr : new debugger API
[16:06] CoverSlide: well there are cases where block scoping would be useful
[16:06] Glenjamin: is this something that should be in core?
[16:07] Sorella: joshthecoder, I think he meant just including `let', not changing the semantics.
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[16:07] Sorella: which I see no problem.
[16:07] indutny: Glenjamin: I hope so
[16:07] CoverSlide: yes, `let` not wrecking `var`
[16:07] joshkehn: CoverSlide: There are cases where everything would be useful. The problem is making rampant core language changes without fixing what is already broken.
[16:07] indutny: Glenjamin: That's not high-level
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[16:08] Glenjamin: my gut feeling is that core should be a low-level api and high level apis are for the community
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[16:08] DrMcKay: Glenjamin++
[16:08] v8bot_:  DrMcKay has given a beer to Glenjamin. Glenjamin now has 2 beers.
[16:08] catb0t: Glenjamin now has 1 beer
[16:09] Glenjamin: also, does this break backwards compat?
[16:10] joshkehn: Block level scoping?
[16:10] joshkehn: Probably.
[16:10] Glenjamin: no, the debugger changes
[16:10] Glenjamin: but i think i see what this is doing now
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[16:10] joshkehn: Opps, missed that part of the conversation. 
[16:11] indutny: Glenjamin: nope
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[16:11] Glenjamin: indutny: this is replacing the "node debug script.js", not "node --debug", right?
[16:11] indutny: right
[16:11] indutny: debugger is high-level anyway
[16:11] indutny: I just rewrote it
[16:11] indutny: partially
[16:11] Glenjamin: i'm with you now
[16:12] DrMcKay: yeah, fuck -.-
[16:12] DrMcKay: I fucked up badly with fixing my bot
[16:12] DrMcKay: does anyone know when did he quit and didn't come back?
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[16:12] TheJH: DrMcKay, chat logs are at nodejs.debuggable.com or so
[16:13] indutny: DrMcKay: what is his name?
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[16:13] DrMcKay: indutny: dmkbot
[16:13] aaronmcadam: it's so annoying when bots are offline
[16:13] DrMcKay: TheJH: I'll check it out, thanks
[16:13] TheJH: !admin eval "alive"
[16:13] jhbot: alive
[16:13] TheJH: :)
[16:14] indutny: kohai? :)
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[16:14] DrMcKay: it's him ^
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[16:14] TheJH: indutny, I don't think kohai is configured to be here
[16:14] CoverSlide: dmkbot++
[16:14] v8bot_:  CoverSlide has given a beer to dmkbot. dmkbot now has 2 beers.
[16:14] catb0t: dmkbot now has 1 beer
[16:14] CoverSlide: fuck
[16:14] CoverSlide: MooGoo
[16:15] CoverSlide: too many bots in here
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[16:15] DrMcKay: umm...
[16:15] DrMcKay: he didn't even quit?
[16:15] Glenjamin: SubStack: are there any plans to add some documentation to rowbit? An IRC bot with tight dnode integration seems like it'd be good for automating some workflow tasks around the office - but i couldn't really see how to work it
[16:15] Sorella: TheJH, nice :3 still looks weird though. The good thing about Lisp macros is that they blend so well in the language.
[16:17] CoverSlide: seems to just do the same thing as kohai
[16:17] CoverSlide: kohai uses hook.io which uses dnode
[16:17] MooGoo: .give CoverSlide bots
[16:17] catb0t: MooGoo gave 1 bots to CoverSlide, CoverSlide now has 1 bots
[16:17] Glenjamin: ah
[16:17] Glenjamin: so it should be pretty easy to interact with a kohai from various external sources
[16:17] CoverSlide: .. or maybe it doesnt
[16:17] catb0t: SyntaxError: Unexpected identifier
[16:18] CoverSlide: thought it did
[16:18] Glenjamin: someone told me it was build on hook.io, but it's not in the deps
[16:18] DrMcKay: TheJH: you think I can use your fix for my bot?
[16:18] DrMcKay: TheJH: (that with recurse)
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[16:19] TheJH: DrMcKay, should work
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[16:20] DrMcKay: TheJH: right after you compromise it for 5th time :D ?
[16:20] TheJH: DrMcKay, :D
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[16:26] halcyon918: Hey folks, I was playing with the VM module yesterday and something I noticed was that the object created in the parent context to represent the VM doesn't seem to be an EventEmitter so I can't attach listeners to it from within the VM (this.on(...))... I'd like to be able to pass messages into the VM by emitting events that the code within the VM can act on... what would be a good alternative?
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[16:28] Glenjamin: pass an eventemitter into the context?
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[16:29] Draggor: halcyon918: You're given 3 streams that you can hook into
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[16:29] Glenjamin: thats childprocess, isnt it?
[16:29] Draggor: ...I might be a wee bit tired
[16:29] halcyon918: Glenjamin: I did try that, and it works, but I wasn't sure if that was the prescribed way to do it
[16:31] Tobbe: Is Isaac around?
[16:31] Tobbe: (of npm fame)
[16:32] Raynos: Tobbe: user list says no
[16:32] Tobbe: Raynos: what nick does he usually use in here?
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[16:33] jesusabdullah: Tobbe: He goes by isaacs, and unfortunately you came at an awkward time
[16:34] jesusabdullah: since a lot of the node people are at a conference right now, including isaacs
[16:34] jesusabdullah: :v
[16:34] Raynos: isaacs
[16:34] Raynos: Which conference?
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[16:34] nibblebot: caolanm: trying to use nimble.each() for parallel foreach, do you have an example of this?
[16:35] Glenjamin: its a conference held solely to debate what url.parse().protocol should return
[16:35] jesusabdullah: Raynos: Nodeconf summercamp
[16:35] Raynos: Glenjamin: That's a mediocre in joke
[16:35] jesusabdullah: Glenjamin: No, that was just one of the talks
[16:35] jesusabdullah: Actually, we're usually quite good at not bikeshedding too hard
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[16:36] caolanm: nibblebot: _.each([1,2,3], function (num, cb) { ... cb(); }, callback);
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[16:36] nibblebot: caolanm: got it thanks
[16:37] caolanm: nibblebot: ok, give me a shout if you have any problems
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[16:37] addisonj: hrm... anyone have vim js indentation that does comma first style?
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[16:38] radiodario: nope sorry man.
[16:38] radiodario: maybe google?
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[16:39] joshkehn: addisonj: Depends on which kind of comma first indentation you are shooting for.
[16:39] tbranyen: how would it know you wanted to comma first opposed to a normal tab
[16:39] tbranyen: i'm confused
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[16:40] Draggor: yeah the vim indent I have, once you correct it once, it gets it the rest of the way
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[16:40] tbranyen: Draggor: yea i think thats default
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[16:40] joshkehn: Draggor: That's auto-indent matching, correct?
[16:40] Draggor: I think that's off of the smart indent feature
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[16:40] addisonj: joshkehn, objects and var declrations
[16:41] addisonj: Draggor, this what you talking about? http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=3081
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[16:42] Draggor: addisonj: set smartindent
[16:42] Draggor: that, and the standard JS syntax that vim comes with
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[16:45] addisonj: i thought I had tried that, but seems to be working better now
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[16:47] addisonj: ah, thats it, the one thing I don't like is that I have to manually indent on var one, two, three; but once I do indent the first one i get matching afterwards
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[16:47] addisonj: thanks for the tips though, off to class 
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[16:53] simon1: hi, i am trying to use a redis store for storing session information, but for some reason it does not work. I've tried the default memory store as well, but the session information does not stay in the session between requests. anyone run into this problem?
[16:54] simon1: in an app.post I do, req.session.someid = some.id; then in some other app.get i do if req.session.someid, but the if never evals to true.
[16:54] tjholowaychuk: simon1 sounds like a cookie issue
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[16:54] simon1: i have the cookieparser set.
[16:54] simon1: is there anything else i need to do for enabling cookies? or is thsi some browser issue?
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[17:02] nibblebot: caolanm: both nimble and async short circuit async foreach if any iteration fails, right?
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[17:03] caolanm: nibblebot: right, although if the steps are executing in parallel it's too late to stop them
[17:03] caolanm: nibblebot: it just means it'll call the callback on the first error, without waiting for the others to finish
[17:04] nibblebot: caolanm: right so the return status of those that finish later is unknown
[17:04] caolanm: nibblebot: right
[17:05] caolanm: the results just get thrown away, because it's already considered as failed
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[17:06] simon1: perhaps it is a path problem
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[17:09] simon1: nope. i want to bash my head into this monitor.
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[17:12] simon1: oh. the VM's date was monday......... so the cookie was already expired on creation. sigh.
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[17:17] simon1: jamesd: ok. why though?
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[17:17] simon1: oh. heh
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[17:24] dmkbot: joyent/node: ArtS: Weird 'require' behaviour - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/410
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[17:29] dmkbot: joyent/node: ArtS: Weird 'require' behaviour - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/410
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[17:34] pquerna: https://github.com/dustin/labrea
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[17:35] DrMcKay: pquerna: cool!
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[17:43] Nuck: stagas and piscisaureus should merge to form stagasaureus
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[17:43] piscisaureus: Nuck: eh?
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[17:43] Nuck: piscisaureus: It's a dinosaur
[17:44] Nuck: A stegasaurus
[17:44] piscisaureus: Nuck: unless stagas is a hot chick I don't feel like merging
[17:45] Nuck: piscisaureus: I think stagas will be whatever you want him to be (cough cough hooker cough cough)
[17:45] piscisaureus: Nuck: also piscisaureus is a fish
[17:45] piscisaureus: a him
[17:45] piscisaureus: oh that's a nono anyway
[17:45] Nuck: lol
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[17:46] Nuck: piscisaureus: c'mon, you know you want his bar() in your foo()
[17:46] Nuck: foo(bar())
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[17:52] ctide: does npm itself remove old versions or do the maintainers do that?
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[17:55] bnoordhuis: ctide: the maintainers
[17:55] ctide: ok, thanks
[17:56] Raynos: Nuck: you make bad jokes. 
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[18:27] FuzzYspo0N: aloha
[18:30] japj: bnoordhuis: what did I see? are you dabbling in php too?
[18:30] bnoordhuis: japj: yep, wave of the future
[18:30] bnoordhuis: it's a side project of piscisaureus and me just to see if we can
[18:30] bnoordhuis: and maybe write some php <-> libuv bindings along the way
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[18:32] FuzzYspo0N: anyone here used node.js on heroku (with SSL on the piggyback SSL setup?)
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[18:46] SubStack: HELLO FRIENDS
[18:46] Raynos: HELLO SUBSTACK
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[18:46] Raynos: IS IT CAPS DAY
[18:47] SubStack: MAYBE
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[18:49] joshkehn: Maybe it's no-caps day.
[18:49] TheJH: !admin eval "hello substack, caps'ed greetings from me, too".toUpperCase()
[18:49] jhbot: HELLO SUBSTACK, CAPS'ED GREETINGS FROM ME, TOO
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[18:51] Raynos: Is it a popular thing to write a bot?
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[18:51] Sorella: Raynos, apparently.
[18:51] Raynos: Should I write one?
[18:51] Sorella: ##javascript used to have 4 or 5
[18:52] Sorella: Raynos, that's asking "Do I care about trends?"
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[18:53] Raynos: Well it was a more as is writing a bot a fun challenge
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[18:53] Raynos: I'll write one that just sends MrMcKay funny messages periodically
[18:53] TheJH: Raynos, it's a cool thing to brag about in IRC because everyone has to look at your live demos :D
[18:54] TheJH: Raynos, ah, I've got something for that...
[18:54] Raynos: !admin mckay
[18:54] jhbot: you're not my admin
[18:54] Gregor: My bot is the best bot. It is better than the rest ... bots.
[18:54] TheJH`: !admin mckay
[18:54] jhbot: you're not my admin
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[18:55] TheJH: !admin eval global.raynos = setInterval(function(){irc.privmsg('Raynos', 'flood ping')}, 10000)
[18:55] jhbot: [object Timer]
[18:56] Raynos: ;_;
[18:56] TheJH: !admin eval clearInterval(global.raynos)
[18:56] jhbot: undefined
[18:57] TheJH: Raynos, I can even add new commands to my bot this way :D
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[18:59] gilesgoatboy: npm question - npm install script drops npm.js in ~/.npm/npm/1.027/package/bin/npm.js, but `which npm` == /usr/local/bin/npm -- common mistake? seen this before? I can probably just alias it but it's annoying
[18:59] gilesgoatboy: (and very possibly the fault of the machine I'm using)
[19:00] Sorella: npm.js !== npm
[19:00] Sorella: it's probably a symlink no?
[19:00] Draggor: I should do another release of my bot
[19:00] Draggor: fix some of the plugin stuff
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[19:01] gilesgoatboy: like the system failed to do a symlink? I did the install via the canonical shell script. however I think you may be wrong -- I just did blahblahblah/npm.js install jasmine-node and got jasmine-node installed
[19:01] gilesgoatboy: or I may not understand the sense in which you mean that npm.js != npm
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[19:02] Draggor: TheJH: Where's the bot src?
[19:03] Sorella: gilesgoatboy, "npm.js" and "npm" are two different files, for any self-respecting Unix system.
[19:03] gilesgoatboy: hrm, ok, well, I'm on OS X if it helps
[19:03] Sorella: I don't know about OS/X
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[19:04] gilesgoatboy: when I use the npm which "which npm" refers to, it complains about not being able to find that file
[19:04] gilesgoatboy: in fact I misreported my error -- sorry -- it complains that npm.js is not in some weird place it's looking for it
[19:04] gilesgoatboy: anyway I got it working, but gracias
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[19:41] TheJH: Draggor, https://github.com/thejh/nodebot
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[19:46] Raynos: TheJH why is the bot in cs but not the server :\
[19:48] `3rdEden: because it's a CS toy language and a bot is a toy, servers aren't toys Raynos ;$
[19:48] nibblebot: With node-seq, how could i return from a callback and exit from the Seq()'s parent context?
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[19:50] Raynos: `3rdEden++
[19:50] v8bot_:  Raynos has given a beer to `3rdEden. `3rdEden now has 1 beers.
[19:50] catb0t: `3rdEden now has 1 beer
[19:50] tjholowaychuk: there's another stupid language now too
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[19:50] tjholowaychuk: https://github.com/ravelsoft/node-jinjs/tree/
[19:50] tjholowaychuk: whatever .co is
[19:50] Raynos: tj: more stupid languages? ;_;
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[19:50] DrMcKay: WHAT?!
[19:50] tjholowaychuk: was looking forward to having a "complete" django-ish template engine for people
[19:51] tjholowaychuk: but it's written in some dumb language
[19:51] halcyon918: If I have an object (call it A) that needs to emit an event for another object (call it B ) to receive... do I need to have a reference to B within A and call B.emit(...) or as long as A is an EventEmitter, A.emit(...) will result in B receiving the event (assuming it's registered for that event name)?
[19:51] DrMcKay: tjholowaychuk: I see
[19:51] Raynos: tj: http://satyr.github.com/coco/
[19:51] DrMcKay: but this language is just a mindfuck for me
[19:51] tjholowaychuk: great
[19:52] tjholowaychuk: coffeescript dialects now haha
[19:52] tjholowaychuk: 
ACTION dies inside

[19:52] TheJH: tjholowaychuk, coco is much better :)
[19:52] DrMcKay: 
ACTION gets a rope

[19:52] DennisRasmussen: unix russian roulette :P http://i.imgur.com/bUnNG.png
[19:52] TheJH: 
ACTION likes coffeescript, but likes coco even more

[19:52] tbranyen: Added pipe operator: f! => g _ => _ = f!; g _
[19:52] tbranyen: wtf
[19:52] tbranyen: is this moon language
[19:52] DrMcKay: jheusala: node-unit?
[19:52] TheJH: DennisRasmussen, :D
[19:52] Raynos: black magic
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[19:53] DrMcKay: DennisRasmussen: lol'd
[19:53] joshkehn: WTF is coco?
[19:53] Raynos: halcyon918: You need `A.emit("ev", data)` in A and `A.on("ev", cb)` in B
[19:53] Daegalus: some JS addon from what im seeing
[19:53] DrMcKay: DennisRasmussen: I've seen that, but with rm -rf
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[19:53] tjholowaychuk: people should stop writing libs with these stupid things
[19:53] tjholowaychuk: write your app with it if you want
[19:53] tjholowaychuk: but fuck
[19:53] tjholowaychuk: seriously
[19:53] joshkehn: https://github.com/satyr/cup/blob/gh-pages/cup.co
[19:54] Raynos: Why do they do this?
[19:54] DrMcKay: = -> ?
[19:54] Daegalus: Hell, I am writing an app and prefer to stick to pure JS/Node, 
[19:54] TheJH: tjholowaychuk, why not? you can always read the compiled output, it's human-readable :D
[19:54] tjholowaychuk: i dont want to read stupid compiled output, if i contribute to something
[19:54] tjholowaychuk: i want to write js
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[19:54] Raynos: TheJH: I dont want to compile your source
[19:54] tjholowaychuk: not some fucking coco crap
[19:54] Daegalus: https://github.com/satyr/coco#readme
[19:54] tjholowaychuk: Raynos that too
[19:54] Draggor: tjholowaychuk: What if I did a dialect that just adds 3 basic things?
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[19:54] Raynos: Dont write dialects
[19:54] tjholowaychuk: i dont want Cakefiles and god damn jakefiles and coffeescript compilers
[19:54] Draggor: tjholowaychuk: a JS dialect, not a CS one
[19:54] Raynos: Write libraries and utilities
[19:54] TheJH: DrMcKay, `=` is assign, `->` is like `function(){`
[19:55] joshkehn: Don't write dialects.
[19:55] DrMcKay: I will make a COBOL to JavaScript compiler
[19:55] Raynos: If you want to write anything, write me my ES6 -> ES5 transpiler
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[19:55] Raynos: One thats absolutely loyal to ES:Harmony
[19:55] Draggor: JS is missing destructuring, macros, and shorthand for function(){}
[19:55] CoverSlide: Raynos: you mean traceur?
[19:55] Raynos: I can tolerate that
[19:55] joshkehn: Why do you need a shorthand for function () {} ?
[19:55] joshkehn: What's wrong with it? 
[19:55] Raynos: CoverSlide: traceur is google's toy. It's not neutral
[19:55] `3rdEden: I'm so gonna port Coldfusion to Node, so I can write my code in XML!
[19:55] CoverSlide: hahaa
[19:55] tjholowaychuk: `3rdEden yay!
[19:55] tjholowaychuk: haha
[19:55] TheJH: joshkehn, it's so damned long.
[19:55] joshkehn: Dead god. Typing. The horror!
[19:55] guybrush: the thing with all those compilers and dialects and stuff is, that the community gets splitted
[19:55] Draggor: I like coffeescript's shorthand for function
[19:55] guybrush: imho
[19:56] joshkehn: Imagine typing 15 characters. That must really suck.
[19:56] Raynos: joshkehn I want to write something terser, function() is verbose
[19:56] Daegalus: Imma port Assembly to JS, then write a C compiler for it in XML, and then write a Node dialect ontop of this in C#
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[19:56] CoverSlide: 
ACTION quotes from the book of Marak

[19:56] joshkehn: Let's write an APL to JS compiler then.
[19:56] joshkehn: You can be as terse as you want.
[19:56] Raynos: Needing a terser function is all about one line functions
[19:56] sdolard: Hi, is console.log() async?
[19:56] CoverSlide: "You've got a problem with JavaScript's syntax, so you added a compiler step. Now you've got two problems"
[19:56] DrMcKay: sdolard: no
[19:56] Raynos: sdolard: yes
[19:56] Raynos: sdolard: LIES
[19:56] sdolard: :D
[19:56] DrMcKay: :D
[19:57] softdrink: i like how in jscocoa you can do ƒ as shorthand
[19:57] tjholowaychuk: CoverSlide <3 nice quote haha
[19:57] Draggor: I can appreciate that :3
[19:57] Raynos: I mean DrMcKay: LIES
[19:57] CoverSlide: console.log is async
[19:57] tjholowaychuk: if programmers cant get passed syntax
[19:57] addisonj: snippets seem like a good way to avoid typing function...
[19:57] tjholowaychuk: you have a big issue
[19:57] CoverSlide: console.error is sync
[19:57] DrMcKay: tjholowaychuk++
[19:57] v8bot_:  DrMcKay has given a beer to tjholowaychuk. tjholowaychuk now has 3 beers.
[19:57] tjholowaychuk: hate on features etc not syntax
[19:57] sdolard: is there's a way to have it sync?
[19:57] joshkehn: Could probably do something with sys
[19:57] Raynos: sdolard: use console.error
[19:57] joshkehn: @sdolard
[19:57] softdrink: tjholowaychuk:  y u no tell me about move.js? i reeeaaallyyyy needed something like that.
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[19:58] tjholowaychuk: softdrink haha it's hiding in the dark
[19:58] sdolard: thanks
[19:58] Raynos: tjholowaychuk: why you no advertise all your modules, I always find them _after_ i need them
[19:58] joshkehn: sdolard: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.5.5/api/process.html#process.stderr A writable stream to stderr. Writes on this stream are blocking.
[19:58] DrMcKay: tjholowaychuk: yeah, we need billboards all over the world!
[19:58] addisonj: 
ACTION has just started looking a tj's github before looking elsewhere ;)

[19:59] softdrink: i'm tempted to fork and add matrix support
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[19:59] CoverSlide: tjholowaychuuk.com is chock full of info, and stays pretty up to date
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[19:59] Raynos: D
[19:59] Raynos: Dont forget visionmedia
[19:59] CoverSlide: * tjholowaychuk.com
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[20:00] sdolard: Thansk a lot
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[20:00] Daegalus: holy shit, move.js is awsome and exactly what I needed. WHY YOU NO ADVERTISE?!
[20:00] tjholowaychuk: 
ACTION wish I didn't name my github after a totally dead freelance company name haha

[20:01] tjholowaychuk: </fail>
[20:01] tbranyen: haha
[20:01] tbranyen: tjholowaychuk: you can rename it?
[20:01] tbranyen: and watch everything breka
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[20:01] tjholowaychuk: im sure the github guys could for me but yeah changing a ton of links would not be fun
[20:01] tjholowaychuk: unless they can redirect
[20:01] tjholowaychuk: i dunno
[20:01] DrMcKay: tjholowaychuk: they don't :(
[20:01] tjholowaychuk: damn
[20:01] joshkehn: Create a new account.
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[20:01] joshkehn: Fork everything
[20:02] joshkehn: Then edit the README's of the old account to say point to the new account.
[20:02] blkcat: nono, pull a _why
[20:02] guybrush: i bet everyone who cares will update their readers and stuff
[20:02] Raynos: what is visionmedia?
[20:02] blkcat: pull everything down and change your name
[20:02] tbranyen: optomotrist venture
[20:02] tjholowaychuk: Raynos my old company (4 or 5 years ago?)
[20:03] tjholowaychuk: i have a ton of stuff tied to it, email etc
[20:03] tjholowaychuk: sucks
[20:03] DrMcKay: tjholowaychuk: step 0: find a random github guy
[20:03] DrMcKay: tjholowaychuk: step 1: get a gun
[20:03] tjholowaychuk: haha
[20:03] DrMcKay: tjholowaychuk: you know what to do next
[20:03] joshkehn: Gun should be step 0
[20:03] DrMcKay: joshkehn: ah, true, dependency
[20:03] Raynos: "Hey github guy, wait here whilst I go buy a gun to kidnap you with"
[20:03] joshkehn: Raynos: LOL
[20:04] DrMcKay: I guess I wouldn't make a good package manager
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[20:05] guybrush: wow move.js is like tween.js
[20:05] guybrush: just for css3, pretty cool
[20:06] softdrink: as for all the broken links, just search-and-replace on the internets.
[20:06] softdrink: ¬¬
[20:07] Daegalus: Ya, most of my project atm uses tjholowaychuk's stuff. Express, Jade, now move.js. All that is left is a mongodb driver and I will be entirely reliant on his stuff
[20:07] guybrush: dont forget stylus!
[20:07] joshkehn: cat http://internet/ | sed s/visionmedia/tjh/g > new_internet
[20:08] guybrush: not knowing about stylus is a pretty huge knowledge gap..
[20:08] JKarsrud: anyone know why a view in in express suddenly wouldn't use the set layout?
[20:08] Raynos: Meh you dont need to _use_ all of his stuff
[20:08] `3rdEden: tjholowaychuk not alot people cared when we changed socket.io's repo names. What you could do after the move is re-register than account and create `dummy` repositories with README files
[20:08] `3rdEden: like https://github.com/learnboost/socket.io-node does
[20:08] tjholowaychuk: `3rdEden hmm yeah maybe, a lot of work i guess
[20:09] tjholowaychuk: Raynos of course not lol
[20:09] tjholowaychuk: MUST USE MY STUFF WITH EXPRESS
[20:09] tjholowaychuk: RIGHT MEOW
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[20:09] tjholowaychuk: JKarsrud hmm what's the render() call look like?
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[20:10] JKarsrud: res.render('auth/signup', { locals: { somelocalshere }});
[20:10] JKarsrud: works on all other views
[20:10] JKarsrud: :/
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[20:10] tjholowaychuk: interestingggg... hmm
[20:10] JKarsrud: tjholowaychuk: http://pastie.org/2499122
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[20:11] tjholowaychuk: ps locals:{} isnt required anymore
[20:11] tjholowaychuk: just { title: .. } etc is fine
[20:11] CoverSlide: JKarsrud: is there a `layout` variable in that particular view?
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[20:11] Daegalus: Raynos: I dont, but I do, i like his stuff. And now that someone mentioned Stylus. I can completely template 100% of my forum system using Jade/Stylus
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[20:12] JKarsrud: tjholowaychuk: right, I recently switched from stache to EJS for templating, so it's just in there for that.. 
[20:12] JKarsrud: CoverSlide: nope, but there isn't in any of the other views either
[20:12] Raynos: Dont get me wrong
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[20:12] Daegalus: And now I found lingo, which will help me with i18n
[20:12] Raynos: Out of all the module authors I know, I find tjs stuff the most reliable
[20:12] JKarsrud: this one works; http://pastie.org/2499130
[20:12] jheusala: DrMcKay: there should be some kind of Node Module directory. Hard time finding good modules. :-P
[20:12] slik: hello, i have a problem: i'm trying to write simple websocket server, the problem is in line 55 there https://gist.github.com/1201590 , socket.write just doesn't work (browser don't get response), any ideas why ?
[20:12] Raynos: I just dont like anything with significant whitespace
[20:13] tjholowaychuk: jheusala there is
[20:13] tjholowaychuk: the wiki
[20:13] jheusala: tjholowaychuk: there is just a link to search.npmjs.org
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[20:14] CoverSlide: jheusala: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/modules
[20:14] jheusala: http://eirikb.github.com/nipster/ this looks a bit better
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[20:14] CoverSlide: oh thats nice too
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[20:14] JKarsrud: olol
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[20:14] JKarsrud: I found out the problem
[20:14] CoverSlide: you should also be able to filter by last commit
[20:15] jheusala: CoverSlide: hmm strange, this morning when I googled 'node.js wiki modules' I got a wiki page with just single link to search.npmjs.org...
[20:15] JKarsrud: it does use the layout, I just failed to notice because there was a lack of styling that was more important :D
[20:15] softdrink: 
ACTION punches MDC

[20:15] JKarsrud: missed a / infront of css, making the path to the CSS file all wrong :D
[20:16] JKarsrud: 
ACTION is stupid for not having checked my console

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[20:16] Daegalus: tjholowaychuk: thanks for providing so many reliable modules. 
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[20:16] tjholowaychuk: Daegalus np
[20:16] jheusala: nipster looks *very* nice
[20:17] Raynos: Does anyone have any recommendation for finding node.js hackers within a local radius?
[20:17] Sorella: Raynos, ask in the channel if anyone lives near you?
[20:18] Sorella: You might want to define the maximum radius though.
[20:18] Raynos: Bath/Bristol, UK.
[20:18] Raynos: maximum radius < 1 earth radius o/
[20:19] uchuff: Raynos: thinking of taking the gf to longleat, worthwhile?
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[20:19] Raynos: uchuff: never visited longleat
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[20:19] cconstantine_: is it possible to have a global in the main js file (where require.main == module) that is available to files loaded as modules?
[20:19] uchuff: damn, np
[20:20] uchuff: Raynos: can you search linkedin for that specificity
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[20:20] uchuff: also do they need to be local? so much coding is done remotely these days
[20:20] CoverSlide: cconstantine_: yes
[20:21] zed0_: Raynos: Try the university computer society?
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[20:21] cconstantine_: CoverSlide, I'm having a hard time with it.  I have a 'var epoc = new Date();' at the top of my main script and I can't access it in a module
[20:22] Raynos: cconstantine_: yes `global.data_is_global = 42`
[20:22] CoverSlide: cconstantine_: modules run in their own context
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[20:22] Raynos: uchuff: I'm trying to organise a meetup
[20:22] CoverSlide: so var will make the variable local
[20:22] uchuff: ah ok
[20:22] uchuff: cool
[20:22] CoverSlide: although it's not a good idea to have global variables anyway
[20:23] uchuff: do it monday/tuesday and i might pop down if i do end up going to longleat
[20:23] cconstantine_: Raynos, that did it
[20:23] uchuff: lol
[20:23] Raynos: uchuff: If I wanted a hacker team it doesnt need to be local ;)
[20:23] cconstantine_: CoverSlide, oh I know
[20:23] cconstantine_: CoverSlide, this is for debugging purposes
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[20:23] Raynos: cconstantine_ I forgot the GLOBALS ARE EVIL
[20:23] cconstantine_: CoverSlide, I have a non-returning function... somewhere that is killing my server every 20 minutes or so
[20:24] Sorella: 
ACTION didn't know Crockford went by a different name on IRC :3

[20:24] nibblebot: anyone using node-seq, how can i bypass the remaining sequences of callbacks without throwing an error?
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[20:25] cconstantine_: CoverSlide, do you happen to know of a way to kill a stack that is taking too long?
[20:25] Raynos: Sorella: Look here. good coding practice is good coding practice
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[20:27] ydef: so with modules, let's say express, I see lots of repetitive "app.get(...)" when I'd like, a la Sinatra, to write just the "get()". What's the approved way to import all of the functions of a module?
[20:27] tbranyen: ydef: heh you could use with
[20:27] tbranyen: xD
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[20:27] tbranyen: with(app) { get(function() { } }
[20:27] tjholowaychuk: ydef not without it being a reasonable hack no
[20:27] tbranyen: actually wouldn't be a bad place for with
[20:27] joshkehn: tbranyen: For the sake of sanity, do not use with.
[20:28] ydef: i'm open to hacks. it's just so ugly :(
[20:28] tjholowaychuk: ydef dont write js
[20:28] joshkehn: What's ugly about app.get?
[20:28] tjholowaychuk: if you think it's ugly
[20:28] ydef: ( to me; I know it doesn't matter )
[20:28] tbranyen: joshkehn: there is a time and place for everything
[20:28] joshkehn: You could say
[20:28] tjholowaychuk: IMO unifiying the beginning of a line looks good
[20:28] joshkehn: (function () { this.get(…);}.bind(app)())
[20:28] tbranyen: for(var i in app) { this[i] = app[i]; }
[20:28] tbranyen: woot
[20:29] CoverSlide: except that this is more characters than app
[20:29] Sorella: Raynos, true. Though people don't have that much problems with globals in Common Lisp =/
[20:29] joshkehn: But then you still have `this` hanging off the front.
[20:29] CoverSlide: go the jquery route
[20:29] joshkehn: CoverSlide: Chaining?
[20:29] CoverSlide: (function($){$.get()})(app)
[20:30] joshkehn: Meh.
[20:30] tjholowaychuk: you could do app\n\n.get()\n\n.get() etc
[20:30] tjholowaychuk: but yeah, dont do that
[20:30] joshkehn: Still more characters then app.get
[20:30] Sorella: var get = app.get, post = app.post, ...
[20:31] ydef: sorella -- yeah, for everything in exports
[20:31] Raynos: tbranyen you get shot for recommending with
[20:31] Sorella: or... wait, I guess you need to call it in the right object? Not familiar with express.
[20:31] Draggor: I take it with is not like a let in lisp
[20:31] tbranyen: Raynos: sorry i'm not scared of language concepts :)
[20:31] CoverSlide: var get = app.get.binf(app)
[20:31] tbranyen: Raynos: its like saying never use ==
[20:31] CoverSlide: s/binf/bind/
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[20:31] tbranyen: or ++i i++
[20:31] Sorella: Draggor, no.
[20:32] Draggor: That's unfortunate
[20:32] tbranyen: its like saying its too confusing to put () on the outside of (function() { }) instead of (function(){}());
[20:32] Raynos: tbranyen: never use ==
[20:32] Raynos: Seriously. Dont do it
[20:32] CoverSlide: some weird people like to use void function(){}
[20:32] tbranyen: Raynos: sounds like you've been brainwashed and don't know why :-p
[20:32] Raynos: I do know why
[20:32] CoverSlide: `void function(){}()`
[20:32] Raynos: I hate type coercion
[20:32] tbranyen: there are perfectly valid reasons to use ==
[20:32] Raynos: In the browser yes
[20:33] Raynos: in node, no
[20:33] Sorella: CoverSlide, I'm one of the weird ones who like void function =/
[20:33] tbranyen: anywhere
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[20:33] joshkehn: Raynos: What's wrong with coercion if you are aware of it?
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[20:33] Raynos: with is bad for readability, end of. It's also murders the JIT
[20:33] tbranyen: (obj == null) will test for undefined/null, (typeof obj == "whatever")
[20:33] tbranyen: in both cases
[20:33] Raynos: joshkehn: I dont know all the rules of by heart
[20:33] tbranyen: == is fine
[20:33] tbranyen: typeof will ALWAYS return a string
[20:33] tbranyen: it can't not
[20:33] CoverSlide: == is fine if you do want to catch all falsy values
[20:33] Sorella: type coercion is awesome. It's also faster than === for objects of same type, according to jsperf.
[20:33] ydef: heh ... so you could write a little utility function, abusing eval, to accomplish var n = require(thing)[n] for all of exports. 
[20:33] tbranyen: speed is a non concern to me
[20:33] Raynos: tbranyen: but why not use === in the latter case?
[20:34] joshkehn: Sorella: On which JS engines?
[20:34] tjholowaychuk: tbranyen haha yeah i always laugh a little when i see typeof + ===
[20:34] Raynos: === is slightly faster, its more readable, its less ambigious
[20:34] joshkehn: tbranyen: Speed is always a concern.
[20:34] Sorella: joshkehn, dunno, it was posted on ##javascript a while ago. I think v8 or SM
[20:34] tbranyen: lol
[20:34] Sorella: but meh, microoptimisations.
[20:34] tbranyen: yes i am going to care about == over ===
[20:34] tbranyen: i have no life
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[20:34] joshkehn: If I'm comparing to something I will use ===, even with typeof
[20:34] joshkehn: If I'm checking truth I'll use if (foo) and if (!foo)
[20:35] Raynos: I just dont see a reason to prefer ==
[20:35] tbranyen: thats fine, its just dumb to tell other people to not do what youre insecure about
[20:35] tbranyen: you sound like crockford :-p
[20:35] joshkehn: If I'm coding with others I'll be explicit on truth if (typeof foo === 'undefined' || foo === null) 
[20:35] Sorella: If I'm comparing values, I'll use ==. If I'm comparing data structures, I'll use ===. Everyone wins that way.
[20:35] tbranyen: joshkehn: thats excessive
[20:35] tbranyen: and unecessary
[20:35] joshkehn: tbranyen: Sure is!
[20:35] Sorella: foo == null
[20:35] tjholowaychuk: [] == false and !![] == true ftw
[20:35] Raynos: I agree that == null is the only exception
[20:35] tbranyen: tjholowaychuk: ha i love that one
[20:35] Sorella: no need for typeof if you know the variable exists.
[20:36] Raynos: But you should avoid allowing input that can be both null & undefined
[20:36] Raynos: that's just bad API design
[20:36] joshkehn: But when you're writing code that is being read by other people who have no clue what is true or false it makes sense to be as verbose as possible.
[20:36] Sorella: Raynos, well, blame it on the guys who wrote ECMAScript specs.
[20:36] Raynos: eich: why do you do this?
[20:36] Sorella: there was no need for both null and undefined in the first place.
[20:36] Sorella: just nil would be fine.
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[20:36] CoverSlide: I think it should be called `None`
[20:36] joshkehn: Sorella: nil? 
[20:37] Raynos: nil is used in LISP
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[20:37] CoverSlide: and objc
[20:37] joshkehn: null is standard.
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[20:37] tbranyen: Sorella: lua ftw :p
[20:37] CoverSlide: actually everyone should use (void*)0
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[20:38] joshkehn: $ node
[20:38] joshkehn: > (void*)0
[20:38] joshkehn: ... 
[20:38] joshkehn: ... 
[20:38] Sorella: tbranyen, have never really done anything in Lua. Will probably learn it now that I'm using awesome though.
[20:38] joshkehn: Doesn't seem to like it.
[20:38] Sorella: try (void 0)
[20:38] tbranyen: Sorella: awesome gave me too much trouble
[20:38] tbranyen: with window hinting
[20:38] tbranyen: always had gaps with rxvt-unicode
[20:39] Sorella: 
ACTION uses gnome-terminal

[20:39] joshkehn: $ node
[20:39] joshkehn: > (void 0)
[20:39] joshkehn: > if ((void 0)) { console.log('true'); }
[20:39] joshkehn: > if (!(void 0)) { console.log('true'); }
[20:39] joshkehn: true
[20:39] joshkehn: >
[20:39] joshkehn: On the topic of void, does it have any reason for being in JS?
[20:39] TheJH: joshkehn, shorter "undefined" for minifiers :D
[20:39] Sorella: joshkehn, I'm not sure if it has a reason to be in JS, as I wonder with many other features, but it has uses.
[20:40] Sorella: like coercing a function declaration to function expression, so you can call it.
[20:40] CoverSlide: <a href="javascript:void(SOMEFUNCTION())">Click</a> <-- use for void
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[20:40] Raynos: joshkehn: do you think JS was not written in 3 weeks?
[20:40] joshkehn: Sorry about that. Machine kernal panic'ed
[20:40] Sorella: CoverSlide, javascript:SOMEFUNCTION(),0
[20:41] Sorella: optimised!
[20:41] CoverSlide: yay!
[20:41] Sorella: I'm not sure 0 works though.
[20:41] joshkehn: I know it was written in 3 weeks. I'm saying what was the purpose of including it.
[20:41] TheJH: Sorella, how about !1 ?
[20:41] Raynos: Some other language has a void operator?
[20:41] Sorella: Raynos, C
[20:41] CoverSlide: Java
[20:41] joshkehn: “What does void do in JavaScript?”
[20:41] joshkehn: Better question.
[20:42] Sorella: joshkehn, evaluates an expression, then returns undefined.
[20:42] CoverSlide: evaluates to undefined
[20:42] Sorella: so, void ::= "void" <expression> → undefined
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[20:44] Sorella: TheJH, might work, unless it expects undefined to cancel replacing the document by the evaluation of those commands, rather than false{,y}
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[20:49] DrMcKay: jheusala: there is, at node.js GH wiki
[20:49] ydef: aha. easy as pie ... in coffeescript, imp=(exprts, us) -> us[k] = exprts[k] for k of exprts; imp require(thing), this; thanks, I think it was tbranyen -- i was trying to walk modules via .parent, from within the required module, instead of just passing in 'this' ... duh
[20:49] Insekticid: Have you seen Noderb?
[20:50] DrMcKay: Insekticid: don't tell me that rb stands for Ruby.
[20:50] DrMcKay: it actually does.
[20:50] CoverSlide: oh cheezus
[20:50] Insekticid: DrMcKay: yap
[20:50] DrMcKay: so, we have a node.php
[20:50] joshkehn: And a Node.c
[20:50] DrMcKay: some weird ass port to Rhino
[20:50] Insekticid: DrMcKay: Node ported to Ruby
[20:50] Sorella: ...really?
[20:50] Sorella: node.php?
[20:51] joshkehn: https://github.com/davidcoallier/node-php
[20:51] Sorella: The world is really beyond salvation =/
[20:51] DrMcKay: Sorella: because of bnoordhuis 
[20:51] joshkehn: “Be worried, be very worried. The name NodePHP takes its name from the fact that we are effectively turning a nice Node.js server into a FastCGI interface that interacts with PHP-FPM.”
[20:51] joshkehn: “Yes this goes against all ideas and concepts of Node.js”
[20:51] DrMcKay: I meant: https://github.com/bnoordhuis/phode
[20:51] bnoordhuis: we renamed it :)
[20:51] bnoordhuis: node.php is too much typing
[20:52] Insekticid: DrMcKay: I just saw Noderb on my friend's twitter. He is the creator :-) I mean, I like the idea :-)
[20:52] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: it's still PHP, you won't hide it.
[20:52] joshkehn: What is gypi?
[20:52] kkaefer: also saw http://acquia.com/resources/acquia-tv/conference/bring-real-time-interactivity-drupal-nodejs-integration-0 today
[20:52] tbranyen: node.net
[20:52] DrMcKay: Insekticid: I'll check it out later :)
[20:52] bnoordhuis: joshkehn: a gyp file
[20:52] bnoordhuis: joshkehn: before you ask, gyp is a build system :)
[20:52] DrMcKay: oh, there's no Python port!
[20:52] DrMcKay: I will make one!
[20:52] joshkehn: Someone get on that.
[20:52] Insekticid: DrMcKay: Nice :-) hehe, python port :-D
[20:52] joshkehn: bnoordhuis: …. Okay.
[20:53] DrMcKay: no, there is something like that
[20:53] Sorella: DrMcKay, there's Twisted though
[20:53] DrMcKay: but it's on second Google page for 'node python', so it doesn't count
[20:53] DrMcKay: Sorella: Tornado <3
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[20:53] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: if you want a worthwhile project, there's no python bindings for libuv yet
[20:53] Insekticid: Insekticid: Btw, my friend said, that he is going to speak about Noderb on RuPy :-)
[20:54] Insekticid: omg
[20:54] Insekticid: DrMcKay: Btw, my friend said, that he is going to speak about Noderb on RuPy :-)
[20:54] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: I thought about that one day
[20:54] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: I will write it then :)
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[20:54] Sorella: An even more worthwhile thing would be fixing the last issues that are still making Enlightenment DR17 look like it's gonna be released only after Duke Nukem Forever 2.
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[20:54] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: i set up a skeleton project a while ago
[20:54] DrMcKay: Insekticid: great :)
[20:54] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: i can send it over if you like
[20:55] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: yes, please :)
[20:56] CoverSlide: awesome
[20:56] DrMcKay: Insekticid: and are you coming?
[20:56] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: hmm, i might've deleted it
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[20:57] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: take your time, I won't be able to really start it until end of the week or so, anyway
[20:57] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: do you have someplace i can push it to?
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[20:58] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: I'll create a GH repo, if you're fine with that
[20:58] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: sure
[20:58] Insekticid: DrMcKay: probably yes. Do you know about any cheap place for sleeping? :-)
[20:58] joshkehn: Insekticid: Park benches?
[20:58] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: it has any specific name?
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[20:59] Insekticid: joshkehn: Hehe, thanks :-D
[20:59] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: i very imaginatively called it libuv-py
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[20:59] DrMcKay: Insekticid: there's a hotel quite near the conference center
[20:59] DrMcKay: Insekticid: or I could try to get you a couch here, at my home
[21:00] tmedema: Can anyone tell me why my console's output is not showing in Node Inspector even though I launch node inspector with --fwd-io ?
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[21:01] Insekticid: DrMcKay: I will think about it, thanks :-)
[21:01] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: git@github.com:mmalecki/libuv-py.git
[21:02] DrMcKay: Insekticid: but nothing sure, it kind of depends on my parents
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[21:02] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: pushed!
[21:02] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: thank you thank you thank you! :)
[21:02] Insekticid: DrMcKay: Yeah, I understand :-) But thank you anyway
[21:03] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: you won't thank me anymore when you see the quality of the code >:)
[21:03] CoverSlide: is there a ruby port of libuv?
[21:03] bnoordhuis: CoverSlide: no
[21:04] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: I see no dragons, looks good
[21:04] CoverSlide: hows libuv compare to libev?
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[21:04] DrMcKay: but there still may be some raptors on their way here
[21:04] wink_: about a letter difference
[21:04] bnoordhuis: CoverSlide: for one, it works performantly on windows
[21:05] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: oh yes, there's goto statements in there
[21:05] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: I see
[21:05] DrMcKay: I will compile it and check what happ... *aaaaa!*
[21:05] bnoordhuis: 
ACTION <3 goto

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[21:06] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: no, seriously, it's fine when you know how to use it
[21:06] CoverSlide: ares is a dep for libuv?
[21:06] DrMcKay: my programming teacher says it's the root of the evil
[21:06] tjholowaychuk: goto is sweet
[21:07] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: he's read too much dijkstra
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[21:07] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: or too litle kernel code
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[21:09] bnoordhuis: CoverSlide: yes, and bundled
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[21:10] TheJH: poor goto for js: do { ... break; ... } while (false);
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[21:11] TheJH: (and for java, too)
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[21:11] CoverSlide: there are labels in js
[21:11] CoverSlide: but they are rarely used
[21:11] CoverSlide: and even more rarely used correctly
[21:12] Sorella: 
ACTION has never seen any use case for labels in JS

[21:12] joshkehn: No
[21:12] Sorella: plus {break,continue} <label> really looks ugly.
[21:14] CoverSlide: they add some convenience with nested loops, but none that can't easily be worked around
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[21:15] CoverSlide: but I don't use them at all in the first place
[21:15] tmedema: When I run node --v8-options, why do I  not see options such as --forward-io or --fwd-io or --profile ?
[21:15] CoverSlide: i don't think it's a v8 option
[21:15] tmedema: CoverSlide: is it a node option? In that case, how do I see a list of all node options?
[21:15] CoverSlide: the node usage screen needs to be updated
[21:16] tmedema: Hmm, so there is no up to date list at the moment? I'm trying to figure out why my --fwd-io and --forward-io flags do not seem to make my console output appear in Node Inspector
[21:17] Sorella: CoverSlide, hm, I hardly use loops, unless it's proven the function in question needs to be optimised. Functional array utilities with short helper functions for the win :3
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[21:18] CoverSlide: true
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[21:19] CoverSlide: though i'm sure labels were added to the language long before the functional array dealies
[21:19] bnoordhuis: tmedema: i'm pretty sure those are not node switches
[21:19] tmedema: bnoordhuis: no? v8 switches then?
[21:19] TheJH: Sorella++
[21:19] v8bot_:  TheJH has given a beer to Sorella. Sorella now has 1 beers.
[21:20] bnoordhuis: tmedema: not v8 switches either
[21:20] tmedema: bnoordhuis: then what are they? :o
[21:21] dilvie: sorella: those functional dealies are loopy on the inside. =)
[21:21] CoverSlide: i love it when you hit those switches
[21:21] bnoordhuis: tmedema: no idea, the closest thing is --prof
[21:21] CoverSlide: a curveball is what my pitch is
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[21:22] Sorella: dilvie, true, but not as low level as for/while. Plus they're easier to read and don't need break/continue statements :3
[21:22] tmedema: bnoordhuis: hmm right. Did you play around with node inspector? It does seem to need such flag in order to make the console work as mine doesn't. I got the flags from http://howtonode.org/debugging-with-node-inspector and they're not inspector flags either
[21:23] dilvie: true, but I rarely used break/continue statements anyway. IMO, you can usually do better by filtering the list before you get to the point where you might want to use break/continue.
[21:23] dilvie: and what do you know, one of those functional dealies is .filter()
[21:24] bnoordhuis: tmedema: maybe that blog post is outdated - node has --debug-break, maybe it was called --start-brk in older versions
[21:24] bnoordhuis: but don't quote me on that
[21:24] tmedema: bnoordhuis: sure, but I doubt the flags have been removed 
[21:25] tmedema: I cannot even find --debug-break though when I do a node --help
[21:26] bnoordhuis: tmedema: it's what gets called when you run `node debug script.js`
[21:26] bnoordhuis: s/called/passed to child process/
[21:27] tmedema: bnoordhuis: yeah, I am running it like that. Shame the node inspector console does not work.
[21:27] tmedema: Likely is related to the missing --fwd-io flag
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[21:28] Raynos: I have a habit of using really terse variable names for any temporary data like `a = []` or `o = {}`
[21:28] Raynos: Is this bad?
[21:28] joshkehn: Raynos: Not necessarily. 
[21:29] joshkehn: I wouldn't use single letters though.
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[21:29] joshkehn: Use something explicitly temporary like `tmp`
[21:29] Raynos: `var i = Object.create(Is)` & `var s = Object.create(Should)`
[21:29] gbot2: Don't pollute the globe, always declare variables with 'var'.
[21:29] Raynos: I mean its obvouis what it is, it's just an instance of an object
[21:29] Raynos: gbot2: Of course I use var I just forgot to in the example
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[21:30] joshkehn: It's all dependent on the code.
[21:30] ydef: huh. you know ... I've NEVER used labels in javascript before ...
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[21:30] Raynos: Neither have I
[21:30] Raynos: labels have their uses though
[21:30] ydef: now I have a nasty urge to go benchmark some iteration stuff as labels vs other ...
[21:31] ydef: yeah, I'm intrigued; I mean, this is fast turning into the Age of Compiling Into Javascript, so ...
[21:31] ydef: what with ClojureScript, CoffeeScript, arc2js etc
[21:31] tjholowaychuk: lol...
[21:31] tjholowaychuk: </fail>
[21:31] joshkehn: ydef: That's what they want you to think.
[21:31] Raynos: arc2js ?
[21:31] joshkehn: I haven't seen any major traction for any of those.
[21:31] ydef: there isn't any; I mean for my own self. ;D
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[21:32] Raynos: Well we do need to compile into ES5
[21:32] Raynos: We need an ES6 -> ES5 compiler before ES6 hits
[21:32] joshkehn: What do you mean?
[21:32] Raynos: I hope traceur becomes a fully ES6 compliant transpiler
[21:33] CIA-30: node: 03Sean Cunningham 07master * reb99083 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): tls: add client-side session resumption support - https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/eb99083d0bbca437e62d0959ca8dd0cb73bb04fa
[21:33] CIA-30: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r6387736 10/ src/node_crypto.cc : tls: new[] instead of malloc() in Connection::GetSession() - https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/638773628cf8568025d51fd9582ed11a5866be28
[21:33] tmedema: bnoordhuis: Just checked, the debug command does not function with node inspector.
[21:33] tmedema: Have to use the undocumented --debug flag
[21:34] Sorella: Raynos, most of ES6 is shit though =/
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[21:34] ydef: i'm writing up an experiment in which i do truly terrible things to CoffeeScript (and javascript by association) ... now wanting to go add labels/break in the generated code, just out of orneriness.
[21:34] Sorella: there are only a handful of proposals that are actually worth having. Like let, yield and the destructuring assignment.
[21:35] Sorella: but those are already in JS 1.7 (or was it 1.8?)
[21:35] ydef: let especially
[21:35] tjholowaychuk: most of the destructuring examples are beyond retarded
[21:35] tjholowaychuk: swapping = useful
[21:35] tjholowaychuk: some array stuff kinda useful
[21:35] tjholowaychuk: the rest
[21:35] tjholowaychuk: really lame
[21:35] CoverSlide: I'm gonna have to vote no on yield
[21:36] Raynos: Sorella: Agreed, but I want to use some of ES6
[21:36] ydef: ( i don't get rationale for yield either )
[21:36] TheJH: tjholowaychuk, `{host, port} = config.webserver`?
[21:36] tjholowaychuk: for each ( let { name: n, family: { father: f } } in obj )
[21:36] Sorella: tjholowaychuk, var {x, y, z} = require('module') seems pretty useful for me. And [x, y] = call()
[21:36] tjholowaychuk: nice and readable
[21:36] Sorella: most of the other ones are meh
[21:36] tjholowaychuk: yeah
[21:36] Raynos: Sorella: meh I like weakmaps and proxies too
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[21:36] Sorella: Haven't looked into those yet =/
[21:37] Raynos: proper tail call optimisation is good
[21:37] tjholowaychuk: if i see shit like this [a,,[b,,[c]]] = f();
[21:37] tjholowaychuk: i'll probably die
[21:37] Raynos: modules baked into the language is needed
[21:37] Sorella: CoverSlide, why no yield?
[21:37] CoverSlide: weak maps are a nice idea if they can be implemented nicely
[21:38] Raynos: Iterators & generators have their place aswell
[21:38] Sorella: I agree on modules. Classes and quasiquotation are two of the features I'm loathing the most currently.
[21:38] Raynos: The only thing I dont want is `class`
[21:38] Sorella: because, really, who thought var x = `x$foo` would be a good addition?
[21:38] joshkehn: Class is pointless
[21:38] ydef: ah, tail call ... hmmm. okay, tail call, destructuring, and let.
[21:38] joshkehn: There shouldn't be classes.
[21:38] joshkehn: If you want classes use one of the existing patterns the pretend to be classes.
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[21:39] Raynos: Agreed
[21:39] Sorella: joshkehn, they are still pointless if you do that :3
[21:39] ydef: yeah, especially preprocessor stuff like quasiquote. man, you could implement that on top of burrito; it doesn't need to be in the language.
[21:39] Raynos: baking classes into the language is going to lead to annoying conversations like "But its in the language, please use _this_ oo structure in your code"
[21:39] tjholowaychuk: accessors should go too
[21:39] Sorella: short function syntax would be nice to have.
[21:39] joshkehn: They are pointless but they don't mess with everyone else who doesn't want that cruft
[21:39] Raynos: #() { } please
[21:40] CoverSlide: accessors won't go
[21:40] joshkehn: I'm saying if you want to use something like CoffeeScript
[21:40] Sorella: Raynos++
[21:40] v8bot_:  Sorella has given a beer to Raynos. Raynos now has 1 beers.
[21:40] tjholowaychuk: CoverSlide yeah i know :(
[21:40] joshkehn: Or Classes
[21:40] tjholowaychuk: unfortunately
[21:40] CoverSlide: I'm sure most of chrome depends on accessors
[21:40] joshkehn: Or OO-style inheritance
[21:40] Draggor: ydef: Macros?
[21:40] Raynos: what do you mean accessors?
[21:40] joshkehn: You're more then welcome to as long as you don't impair the core language.
[21:40] Sorella: Raynos, I proposed using the lambda symbol, but Eich said valid identifiers and unicode was out.
[21:40] joshkehn: Gotta run, I'll be on later.
[21:40] Raynos: Sorella: thats a pain to type
[21:40] Raynos: What I need is a better bind
[21:41] DrMcKay: make it COBOL!
[21:41] ydef: Draggor: yeah, macros. Maybe I'm confusing them with quasiquote, but what would they be used for?
[21:41] Raynos: I need to make an es-discuss post about that
[21:41] Sorella: Raynos, not as much if you configure a compose key.
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[21:41] ydef: I don't see what besides macros u use quasiq for
[21:41] Draggor: ydef: same way I use them in lisp, where functions just don't quite cut it, and where a small little DSL is nice.
[21:41] Sorella: ydef, multiline strings, and just about any kind of string manipulation.
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[21:42] Sorella: F-expressions would be nice though.
[21:42] Sorella: then you don't need macros.
[21:42] Sorella: don't think it would work in JS though.
[21:42] ydef: Draggor -- absolutely. And it's awesome. But it doesn't need to be in the language, because it can be implemented via Burrito or some other code-walking preprocesser
[21:42] Sorella: ydef, run-time macros can not.
[21:43] ydef: hmmm. in what context would u use a run-time macro?
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[21:43] Draggor: I guess if you're doing any eval type things?
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[21:44] ydef: aside from a repl, which is toplevel -- and thus, no problem to just run the preprocesser on it
[21:44] Sorella: ydef, so you can use usual functions to process the things you want. Implementing first-class macros, etc.
[21:45] skython: Hi, i like to set up a node.js webserver with templating and wonder which module to choose. I'm looking for something lightweight and simple like the mako templates for python
[21:46] ydef: i mean, who uses first-class macros?
[21:46] Draggor: I suppose I imagine macros implemented such that other language things are implemented in the macro system.
[21:47] Sorella: ydef, early Lisps and I/O had/have them, iirc.
[21:47] Sorella: The programming language IO, or however it is spelled.
[21:47] CoverSlide: io
[21:48] CoverSlide: grr
[21:48] CoverSlide: Io
[21:48] ydef: yowza, that's some cool stuff Sorella.
[21:48] CoverSlide: like the moon
[21:48] CoverSlide: Io is a cool language
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[21:48] CoverSlide: but noone fucking uses it
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[21:48] ydef: as many people (_why included) have mentioned: you can't google it.
[21:49] Sorella: I think tjholowaychuk based his language a bit on that, but without fexprs(?).
[21:49] CoverSlide: http://iolanguage.com/
[21:50] tjholowaychuk: Sorella i'd like to get them in some how
[21:50] tjholowaychuk: might be crossing the paradigms a bit too much, we'll see
[21:50] Draggor: Oh, hey, fexprs are nice
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[21:52] Sorella: tjholowaychuk, nice :3
[21:52] Draggor: Any way we can have JS not require commas to separate array entries, map entries, and argument lists?
[21:52] dmkbot: joyent/node: Kos: Misleading console output for arrays with undefined - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1651
[21:53] cconstantine_: is there anyway to know how much memory an object is keeping a reference to?
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[21:54] TheJH: Draggor, yes, use newlines, like coffeescript :D
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[21:55] TheJH: cconstantine_, maybe the Debug object can help you estimate it
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[21:56] cconstantine_: TheJH, Debug object?
[21:56] Sorella: TheJH, heh, I don't think newlines work in this case.
[21:56] TheJH: cconstantine_, node --expose_debug_as=debug or so
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[21:57] TheJH: Sorella, unless you tweak the grammar :D
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[21:58] TooTallNate: drudge
[21:58] TooTallNate: ping
[21:58] drudge: pang
[21:59] TooTallNate: in linkinus, when are gists inlined?
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[21:59] DrMcKay: there's an IRC client inlining gists?
[21:59] Sorella: TheJH, then that's not JS, it's an alien language :3
[22:00] Draggor: TheJH: as of what version does that work?
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[22:00] TooTallNate: DrMcKay: I swear I've seen it happen in linkinus before, we can't repoduce it though...
[22:00] TooTallNate: drudge: ^
[22:00] Sorella: 
ACTION wonders if there's something like that for ERC

[22:00] TheJH: Draggor, not sure
[22:00] DrMcKay: TooTallNate: I'm getting myself a Mac, *now*
[22:01] drudge: TooTallNate: only when a raw link is pasted
[22:01] TooTallNate: https://gist.github.com/1194032
[22:01] TooTallNate: doesn't seem to be working
[22:01] drudge: raw link - to a file
[22:01] drudge: https://raw.github.com/gist/1194032/184e3b021c6d84d8cbe63868e2f887650fef3daf/cocoa-hello-world.js
[22:01] TooTallNate: https://raw.github.com/gist/1194032/184e3b021c6d84d8cbe63868e2f887650fef3daf/cocoa-hello-world.js
[22:01] TooTallNate: still isn't rendering for me
[22:02] drudge: i'll have to check into it - could be a change they made recently
[22:02] drudge: pastie.org works tho :P
[22:02] TooTallNate: :D
[22:02] drudge: http://pastie.org/2499643
[22:03] TooTallNate: cool, thanks
[22:05] jerrysv: `3rdEden: ping
[22:05] `3rdEden: pewpew
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[22:05] cconstantine_: TheJH, I don't think that'll do it. thanks though
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[22:10] cconstantine_: I remember seeing somewhere that it's possible to invoke the gc, and I'm having a hard time finding it again.  How would I do that?
[22:13] Raynos: I think you need to call it in the C++ layer
[22:14] cconstantine_: hmm... I'm trying to track down a memory leak
[22:14] cconstantine_: and I'm afraid I can't get a good reading if I can't force the gc to run
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[22:14] cconstantine_: or see how much memory a datasctructure is causing the gc to not throw away
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[22:16] bnoordhuis: cconstantine_: `node --expose_gc`, then call gc() in your app
[22:17] cconstantine_: bnoordhuis, awesome, thanks
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[22:17] konobi: cconstantine_: node-inspector is also extremely useful (with heap profiling)
[22:18] skython: What web framework do you guys suggest for a node.js server with routing, templates, models, .. ?
[22:18] cconstantine_: skython, I'm using express
[22:18] cconstantine_: skython, with the ejs template engine
[22:19] skython: cconstantine_: thx i'll take a closer look on that
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[22:24] Daegalus: skython: Jade /Stylus are also good templating frameworks
[22:25] tbranyen: Daegalus: stylus isn't a templating framework
[22:25] cconstantine_: konobi, I can't seem to get the profiler to work.  I'm attached with a web interface (and the console works), but it's telling me to hit a button to get a snapshot and I don't see the button
[22:25] skython: ejs looks good so far, i'm used to Mako for python
[22:25] tbranyen: I like Combyne :3
[22:25] tbranyen: 
ACTION waits till he gets kicked for self promotion

[22:25] cconstantine_: skython, express appears to be the popular framework.  I have no idea how good/better the other templating engines are
[22:25] Daegalus: tbranyen: its a CSS templating, along with Jade which is HTML templating, combine the 2 and you got an all around templater
[22:26] Raynos: skython: express
[22:26] `3rdEden: Stylus is not a template language its a css pre-processor not css templating
[22:27] skython: what about this 'geddy' framework ? should be pylons like but i haven't seen many commits there over the last months
[22:27] Daegalus: to me its kind of the same. Jade Template -> Compiled to HTML, Stylus Template -> Compiled to CSS. For this specific context I treat it black and white
[22:29] Raynos: skython: Its not being actively worked on.
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[22:31] Nuck: Daegalus: By that logic, CoffeScript is a template engine for JavaScript.
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[22:31] Daegalus: Nuck: YUP!
[22:31] Nuck: ...
[22:31] Daegalus: im kididng
[22:31] amid_hasan: hello
[22:32] Daegalus: i know my comparison is black and white, and I even state that. but to me Stylus is a template. I mean I write my template, compile it with variables, and i get CSS.
[22:32] Sorella: 
ACTION wonders how many templating engines for ASM are out there...

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[22:32] amid_hasan: What do I need to do to my LAMP stack to configure node and made it work?
[22:32] Nuck: amid_hasan: You don't
[22:32] CoverSlide: uninstall apache, php, and mysql
[22:32] Nuck: Node is an independent server
[22:32] Sorella: ^
[22:32] Daegalus: you dont use a lamp stack
[22:32] dmkbot: joyent/node: nzakas: stdout not flushed upon exit with output redirect - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1669
[22:33] Nuck: It replaces your A and P parts
[22:33] context: uhh
[22:33] Nuck: And I personally suggest a NoSQL instead of MySQL
[22:33] context: it doesn't replace 'A' if you dont want it to
[22:33] skython: Jade looks funny but it makes sense, i'm often too lazy to write all this xml-like html stuff and close all the tags. looks like a very good solution to that problem ^^
[22:33] amid_hasan: Nuck: I have hosting through godaddy, you think I can install node there?
[22:33] context: amid_hasan: highly doubtful.
[22:33] Daegalus: skython: I use it, its great.
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[22:33] Nuck: amid_hasan: Doubtful
[22:33] amid_hasan: Nuck: whats a good nosql, and how do I make all this work
[22:33] tjholowaychuk: skython takes a little time to get used to
[22:33] Sorella: skython, funny:
[22:33] Sorella: s/:/\?/
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[22:33] tjholowaychuk: but that's the reason i built/use it too, i cant stand writing xml
[22:33] CoverSlide: skython: it's based on haml, which is much more popular in ruby-land
[22:33] Daegalus: Nuck: I still dont see how Stylus is that much different from Jade. Im looking at examples and such right now> its even setup in a similar style/syntax
[22:33] Raynos: Ew apache in front of node
[22:34] Raynos: dont do it
[22:34] Nuck: I agree with raydeo
[22:34] tjholowaychuk: Daegalus yeah i agree
[22:34] Nuck: Errr Raynos
[22:34] amid_hasan: am i missing something, but is nosql relational?
[22:34] tjholowaychuk: CS is basically just a glorified template engine too, in a sense, but i guess they should all be just called compilers not template engines
[22:34] Nuck: amid_hasan: No
[22:35] Daegalus: woah..
[22:35] Daegalus: something died
[22:35] CoverSlide: irccloud died
[22:35] amid_hasan: Nuck: so how do you associate users with actions, etc to make a web app?
[22:35] CoverSlide: as usual
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[22:35] `3rdEden: pooned
[22:35] Nuck: amid_hasan: You query the database?
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[22:35] amid_hasan: Nuck: are there unique keys, foreign keys or similar?
[22:36] Nuck: Mongo has ObjectIDs
[22:36] Nuck: It's like SQL for JSON
[22:36] Sorella: Yeah, template engines are something you insert inside another language, and it doesn't care about the surrounding language. Or at least, that's how I see them.
[22:36] Nuck: But instead of SQL, it's a JSON object to query with
[22:36] Daegalus: tjholowaychuk:  Though, Stylus looks great. I was wondering how I would do the CSS with my Jade Templates, but now that I found stylus, I'll just generate it just like I do the Jade templates.
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[22:37] amid_hasan: Nuck: do you have a link (resource) that can help me understand this noSQL thing
[22:37] Nuck: I use LESS + EJS
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[22:37] Sorella: 
ACTION found Less weird

[22:37] Nuck: Er, does anyone remember that NoSQL comparison chart?
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[22:38] Nuck: amid_hasan: http://kkovacs.eu/cassandra-vs-mongodb-vs-couchdb-vs-redis
[22:38] Daegalus: Nuck: the only one i know of is that Relation vs NoSQL vs whatever ven diagram
[22:38] Daegalus: oh that too is a great site
[22:38] Daegalus: Though right now I ma in love iwth Mongo
[22:38] Nuck: Daegalus: Ditto
[22:38] jerrysv: nuck: crudcomics.com ?
[22:39] Daegalus: My girlfriend seems to want me to convert to Cassandra, but I am resisting
[22:39] jerrysv: Daegalus: what are you using now?
[22:39] amid_hasan: Daegalus or Nuck: can you give me some major sites that are built on mongodb or some nosql db?
[22:39] Daegalus: Mongodb
[22:39] Daegalus: amid_hasan: Facebook and Twitter
[22:39] Daegalus: And Netflix
[22:39] Daegalus: and Yelp
[22:39] Nuck: amid_hasan: Node Package Manager uses CouchDB, and what Daegalus said
[22:39] amid_hasan: They dont use MySql?
[22:39] Nuck: Pretty sure Google is too
[22:39] Daegalus: amid_hasan: nope
[22:39] Nuck: amid_hasan: Oh hell no
[22:39] Daegalus: Google uses their own BigTable
[22:39] amid_hasan: Oh wow. 
[22:39] Daegalus: which is also NoSQL
[22:39] jerrysv: amid_hasan: craigslist
[22:39] Nuck: Facebook *invented* Cassandra
[22:40] amid_hasan: Can I easily migrate my db records into mongo db format?
[22:40] jerrysv: amid_hasan: foursquare
[22:40] Nuck: amid_hasan: Probably, you can write a script to convert I'm sure
[22:40] Daegalus: pretty much any social network site worth a damn is a on a NoSQL Db
[22:40] amid_hasan: actually about to launch my startup, but heard things about node that made me stop
[22:40] Nuck: There are modules for both MySQL and for Mongo
[22:40] amid_hasan: and rethink
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[22:41] Nuck: amid_hasan: Eh, launch first, rewrite later :V
[22:41] ctide: err
[22:41] jerrysv: amid_hasan: http://www.mongodb.org/display/DOCS/Production+Deployments
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[22:41] ctide: facebook invented cassandra and dumped it
[22:41] ctide: facebook is primarily mysql
[22:41] amid_hasan: ctide: lol
[22:41] Nuck: You can create a script to move over at any time
[22:41] Daegalus: Oh I was going to do a MySQL/Mongo/Python/Java hybrid before I learned about Node.js, then I invested more time in Mongo, and now i am fuly Mongo+Node.js and I dont want to change to anything else
[22:41] Nuck: ctide: Nah, they still use it
[22:41] CoverSlide: cassandra is used for their messaging
[22:41] ctide: http://www.facebook.com/MySQLatFacebook
[22:41] amid_hasan: Daegalus: how do  you host node?
[22:42] ctide: etc
[22:42] Daegalus: amid_hasan: I plan to invest in an Amazon EC2, Heroku, or Nodejitsu if i can get a closed beta account.
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[22:42] Nuck: amid_hasan: I happen to be working on a startup based on Node.js
[22:42] Nuck: Daegalus: Eww AWS
[22:42] Nuck: Why has nobody ditched AWS?
[22:42] Nuck: It's a piece of shit
[22:42] Daegalus: right now I do my testing all on Cloud9 Ide, and my personal linux box 
[22:42] jesusabdullah: The price is right Nuck
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[22:42] jesusabdullah: "You get what you pay for"
[22:42] Daegalus: Nuck: oh its my fallback, I plan to go with heroku or Nodejitsu first
[22:42] Nuck: heh fair enough
[22:42] jesusabdullah: and that's totally true with AWS
[22:43] CoverSlide: use linode
[22:43] amid_hasan: Nuck: I'm hosting with godaddy, going to launch and rethink hosting. Going to integrate sendgrid and swipe
[22:43] Nuck: I pay $0 and get a damn good VPS
[22:43] tbranyen: linode is amazing
[22:43] amid_hasan: and looking into node 
[22:43] Daegalus: Nuck: where?
[22:43] Nuck: Daegalus: I know an SA :P
[22:43] Daegalus: Nuck: lucky bum
[22:43] Nuck: lol
[22:44] Nuck: I think our *development* VPS has 8 cores
[22:44] Nuck: with 20GB HDD
[22:44] Nuck: And 4GB RAM or something
[22:44] Daegalus: Well I am going to need a hosting service eventually, I have 1 crowd-sources/social network starup idea, and 2 game ideas, that are all in half concept half code state, and I need a place to handle all my Node.js/Mongo stuff
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[22:45] Nuck: I have a home server
[22:45] amid_hasan: Oh
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[22:45] Nuck: I run Mongo and Node on there
[22:45] Nuck: But my startup has a VPS
[22:45] amid_hasan: How do you handle traffic?
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[22:46] Nuck: I route through my home router and direct a free .tk domain to my IP
[22:46] Daegalus: well me too, but if this is going to go production, imma need something more serious. I use my home linux box for all my testing. Also runs my XMPP server. All my node testing is on Cloud9 because its built in, and I have node setup on my server too
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[22:46] Nuck: I should set up Cloud9IDE >_>
[22:46] Daegalus: I have a 5 domains, and all point to my home IP through easyDNS.
[22:46] Daegalus: Nuck: its amazing, well worth the 15$ i spent on it
[22:47] Daegalus: technically its open source, and you can create your own, but I prefer using their servers
[22:47] Nuck: Daegalus: No, I mean a local version
[22:47] amid_hasan: I
[22:47] Nuck: hehe
[22:47] Nuck: I'm cheap
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[22:47] Nuck: I chose not to use github to host my company, mostly because I'm too cheap
[22:47] Daegalus: Ya, my 1.8ghz amd atholn 64bit with 1 gig of ram linux laptop server is crapping out on me. 
[22:47] Nuck: Anything I can not pay for, I won't.
[22:47] amid_hasan: When should I worry about switching my hosting from godaddy?
[22:47] Daegalus: so I cant run too much on it
[22:48] Daegalus: amid_hasan: the moment you signed up for godaddy
[22:48] amid_hasan: Daegalus: 
[22:48] Nuck: Do it soon
[22:48] amid_hasan: after I launch, do you think moving the data somewhere else could become a problem?
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[22:48] Daegalus: sorry but Godaddy is one of the worst rated hosting/domain providers out there
[22:48] Nuck: amid_hasan: Instantly
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[22:48] amid_hasan: Nuck: where to?
[22:48] Nuck: GoDaddy is seriously *that bad*
[22:48] Nuck: amid_hasan: If you want something cheap, AWS.
[22:48] Nuck: It's a good pay-as-you-go setup
[22:49] amid_hasan: Nuck: i want something that works
[22:49] Nuck: It goes down al the fucking time
[22:49] Nuck: But otherwise, it's quite good
[22:49] Nuck: amid_hasan: It's got more uptime than GoDaddy
[22:49] amid_hasan: whats amazon hosting
[22:49] Nuck: I'd wager
[22:49] Nuck: EC2
[22:49] amid_hasan: i've heard about it but have no clue how to use it
[22:50] Nuck: Honestly, I don't either.  I tried to figure it out one time, never managed.  I didn't try too hard, though, TBH.
[22:50] chilts: I like both AWS and RackspaceCloud
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[22:50] Daegalus: I wanna try Heroku, but it feels a bit pricey
[22:50] amid_hasan: chilts: I'm bootstrapped and living on noodles. How much is it going to cost me per month?
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[22:50] Nuck: AWS is pretty cheap
[22:51] chilts: amid_hasan: there are prices on their respective sites for servers of different sizes
[22:51] Nuck: An EC2 starts VERY cheaply, from what I remember
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[22:51] _sorensen_: you could always do rackspace too
[22:51] Nuck: And then you pay more as you use more resources
[22:51] amid_hasan: I will be eternally greatful for a link with step by step instructions
[22:51] Nuck: Hmmm
[22:51] Nuck: New commit style on Github?
[22:51] chilts: Nuck: the micro instance is the cheapest, but you do get what you pay for - I wouldn't want to run a site of any size on the micro instances
[22:51] _sorensen_: http://blog.carbonfive.com/2011/09/01/deploying-node-js-on-amazon-ec2/
[22:51] chilts: then it jumps a bit to the normal instances
[22:51] _sorensen_: :D
[22:52] amid_hasan: _sorensen_: there's ec2 and AWS, is that the same thing?
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[22:52] Nuck: EC2 is an AWS server
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[22:53] jesusabdullah: YOU're an AWS server
[22:53] amid_hasan: _sorensen_: is that ruby terminal code?
[22:53] Daegalus: I want to try nodejitsu, but its still closed beta
[22:53] jesusabdullah: Daegalus: It's opening up real soon
[22:53] _sorensen_: i actually just had the link up from a few days ago
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[22:53] jesusabdullah: Daegalus: Have you been to our channel? Couldn't hurt to ask for an account u noe ;)
[22:54] _sorensen_: son of a...
[22:54] _sorensen_: wtf ruby
[22:54] Nuck: There's a lot of Node hosts these days
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[22:54] Nuck: But Joyent and Nodejitsu are the big 2
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[22:54] _sorensen_: i think you can stop short of 'deployment'
[22:54] jesusabdullah: but few as badass as to be in the same league as nodejitsu >:O
[22:54] locks: heroku runs node as well ^^;
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[22:54] Daegalus: jesusabdullah: oh no, i assumed it was a really tough closed beta invite, and I signed up for the waiting list, didnt know you had an irc channel
[22:55] amid_hasan: i have php for server code, this will all work on ec2, right?
[22:55] jesusabdullah: Daegalus: Yeah, #nodejitsu, feel free to hang out, ask questions, etc.
[22:55] Daegalus: jesusabdullah: plus I am not the asking kind, i never been good at asking for freebie stuff from companies or startups trying to get off the ground
[22:55] Nuck: jesusabdullah: No offense, but Joyent > Nodejitsu
[22:55] jesusabdullah: Nuck: I would rank joyent in our league though
[22:55] Nuck: If only because Joyent is considered the King of Virtualized I/O
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[22:55] jesusabdullah: Hey, Joyent ain't bad, definitely can't badmouth them
[22:56] tjholowaychuk: Nuck and that http-proxy has somewhat show-stopping bugs
[22:56] tjholowaychuk: atm
[22:56] jesusabdullah: What? No it doesn't
[22:56] Nuck: tjholowaychuk: hahaha true
[22:56] jesusabdullah: We've been using it internally for ages
[22:56] Nuck: jesusabdullah: Oh jesus fuck it does
[22:56] tjholowaychuk: anyone using the middleware
[22:56] jesusabdullah: and I believe Joyent's trying to use it too
[22:56] tjholowaychuk: is fucked
[22:56] tjholowaychuk: basically
[22:56] tjholowaychuk: right now
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[22:56] Nuck: When Joyent switched to it, they had 500 more bugs
[22:57] jesusabdullah: That's not a showstopper, though, that's just some sugar
[22:57] tjholowaychuk: throwing the error
[22:57] amid_hasan: Can anyone tell me if you can run apache(to run php code) and node at the same time on ec2?
[22:57] tjholowaychuk: is a show stopper
[22:57] tjholowaychuk: lol
[22:57] tjholowaychuk: big time
[22:57] Nuck: What tjholowaychuk said is fact.
[22:57] Nuck: amid_hasan: Very good question.
[22:58] amid_hasan: Nuck: all my code is basically php interfacing with mysql data objects
[22:58] jesusabdullah: and yes, it still has bugs, but that's because people are making a strong effort to make it awesome
[22:58] jesusabdullah: er
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[22:58] jesusabdullah: it's young, and a lot of them are known
[22:58] tjholowaychuk: just sayin
[22:58] AvianFlu: tjholowaychuk, that whole interface is being rebuilt
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[22:58] Nuck: Now that I think about it, it might be cheaper to have backup capacity through a cloud host for my site, instead of doing hot backups
[22:58] tjholowaychuk: ah, good
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[22:58] AvianFlu: i.e. our middlewares
[22:58] tjholowaychuk: the api is really
[22:59] tjholowaychuk: awkward
[22:59] AvianFlu: it should be streams and not a passed callback like that
[22:59] Nuck: Make it based on Connect :D
[22:59] Nuck: 
ACTION <3 Connect

[22:59] jesusabdullah: Connect has some Actual Problems, though
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[22:59] Nuck: jesusabdullah: Like?
[22:59] jesusabdullah: Like, I'm not dissing connect
[23:00] jesusabdullah: and honestly, I don't follow connect that closely, so you'd have to ask someone else
[23:00] Nuck: Yeah, that is a problem
[23:00] Nuck: That you're not dissing it
[23:00] jesusabdullah: but I *do* know that there are specific examples
[23:00] tjholowaychuk: :s
[23:00] tjholowaychuk: that's very vague lol
[23:00] jesusabdullah: Well yeah, i don't remember anything else
[23:00] Nuck: tjholowaychuk: That's what I was thinking
[23:01] Nuck: With something as widely-used as Connect, I'd imagine the bugs will be worked out in record time
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[23:01] jesusabdullah: Like I said, I think connect is pretty nice
[23:01] Nuck: And tj's OCD will kick in.
[23:01] Nuck: And he'll probably fix it so everything is perfect
[23:01] tjholowaychuk: the main issue is that people next() when they shouldn't because they dont know what they're doing
[23:01] tjholowaychuk: that's the #1 issue
[23:01] AvianFlu: +10
[23:01] jesusabdullah: Nuck: It's not bugs, it's patterns that introduce limitations, and finding that given what we know now we can make a nicer interface
[23:02] AvianFlu: that style doesn't play that nice with streams, is the only thing I'd say
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[23:02] jesusabdullah: I think that was really a large part of it
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[23:02] tjholowaychuk: it's not an easy thing to abstract, that's definitely true
[23:02] Nuck: Use promises :P
[23:02] Nuck: lol
[23:02] tjholowaychuk: though that's more an issue of node not having a core way to define "filters" etc
[23:03] jesusabdullah: Well like I was kinda trying to get at, I don't dislike express or connect, I think they're solid, useful pieces of software
[23:03] tjholowaychuk: and not much to do with connect
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[23:03] Nuck: tjholowaychuk: Oh god that'd be awesome.
[23:03] Nuck: I would <3 if that got built
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[23:03] bnoordhuis: tjholowaychuk: filters?
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[23:04] Nuck: I think we need a StreamTools like bnoordhuis's BufferTools
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[23:04] tjholowaychuk: gzipping streams etc, im assuming is what they were talking about
[23:04] tjholowaychuk: connect missing patterns or whatever
[23:04] bnoordhuis: a base class for streams?
[23:04] bnoordhuis: that takes care of the plumbing?
[23:04] Nuck: bnoordhuis: Huh?
[23:05] Nuck: require('streams')
[23:05] Nuck: It's done
[23:05] jesusabdullah: Nuck: Why don't you build it?
[23:05] bnoordhuis: Nuck: streams.Stream does next to nothing
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[23:05] bnoordhuis: rolling your own stream class by hand is something of a pain right now
[23:05] Nuck: jesusabdullah: Much of what would be in there would be out of my layer
[23:05] Nuck: bnoordhuis: Very true
[23:05] jesusabdullah: pffsht
[23:05] jesusabdullah: likely story!
[23:06] Nuck: jesusabdullah: I do JS, I don't do C.
[23:06] jesusabdullah: You can do ANYTHING with node.js!
[23:06] jesusabdullah: The only limit is YOURSELF
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[23:06] abcdxyz: hello everyone
[23:06] jesusabdullah: Nuck: sounds like a good opportunity to get some c++ practice yo
[23:06] Nuck: God this soda is the best shit ever
[23:06] jesusabdullah: you'll learn something :)
[23:06] Sorella: Isn't node.js sepples though?
[23:06] Sorella: Nuck^
[23:06] Nuck: Raspberry Creme
[23:06] Nuck: Sorella: Sepples sounds like a sex term
[23:07] Sorella: Nuck, heh?
[23:07] amid_hasan: Thank you all for your help! I'm going to switch to ec2 today
[23:07] abcdxyz: yo peeps anyone knows why do i have "silent errors" in nodejs like when i want to use sg like
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[23:07] brainproxy: never heard c++ referred to as that, found a reference in "urban dictionary" :p
[23:07] abcdxyz: "undefined_fkin_object.member_method()" my function returns and the interpreter does not say anything and i am like WTF
[23:07] Nuck: nah nigga', i needa finish yo' sentence else you gun' be a bitch
[23:08] Sorella: brainproxy, /prog/ on world4ch always refers to it as that.
[23:08] Nuck: 
ACTION speaks Jive

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[23:08] abcdxyz: nuch man wait for it
[23:08] abcdxyz: :D
[23:08] abcdxyz: im aint no typing master 
[23:08] abcdxyz: or sumtin
[23:08] _sorensen_: world4ch?
[23:08] abcdxyz: nuck*
[23:08] _sorensen_: :O
[23:09] Nuck: Also, does that say "Undefined fuckin' object"
[23:09] Nuck: or is it just me
[23:09] abcdxyz: it doestn say anitin
[23:09] abcdxyz: it silently returns from the function
[23:09] Sorella: _sorensen_, some textboards which now got merged on 4chan.
[23:09] abcdxyz: v8 does not say shit
[23:09] Nuck: "undefined_fkin_object"
[23:09] _sorensen_: didnt know that
[23:09] abcdxyz: thats my custom object
[23:09] abcdxyz: :D
[23:09] abcdxyz: made up word lad
[23:09] abcdxyz: dont be so fixated on it :D
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[23:10] Sorella: _sorensen_, http://dis.4chan.org/prog. Not really nsfw, but usually not amusing.
[23:10] abcdxyz: the ting is that is undefined, and v8 does not say sg like "hey man you didnt even defined that object" it just returns from the function and nish nil nada
[23:10] Nuck: Oh god from streetspeak to irish
[23:10] abcdxyz: :S
[23:10] _sorensen_: i know of /prog, jsut never heard world4ch term before
[23:10] Sorella: sleepsort was suggested there, though, iirc.
[23:10] _sorensen_: saw that 
[23:10] Sorella: oh
[23:10] AvianFlu: abcdxyz: First advice: ignore Nuck.
[23:10] _sorensen_: sleep sort was a fun thread
[23:10] Sorella: well, I don't know much about world4ch either :3
[23:10] _sorensen_: lol
[23:11] AvianFlu: abcdxyz, are you trying to write an extension?
[23:11] abcdxyz: AvianFlu a module?
[23:11] abcdxyz: yes
[23:11] AvianFlu: if so, I bet you're not doing the return Scope::close() thing I bet
[23:11] AvianFlu: abcdxyz, in C++ or in js
[23:11] abcdxyz: js mate
[23:11] AvianFlu: okay, that sounded like a different problem
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[23:12] AvianFlu: can you link us to some of the code? put it on gist.github.com or whatever
[23:12] abcdxyz: its just a simple object method in a module and it does silently fail. :S its crazy i spent two hours cause i missed an "s" from the end of my object's name
[23:12] abcdxyz: it didnt say shite
[23:12] bnoordhuis: node.js is very polite, it only speaks when spoken to
[23:12] abcdxyz: oiiii
[23:12] abcdxyz: i know whats the problem
[23:13] abcdxyz: i remember nor
[23:13] abcdxyz: now*
[23:13] abcdxyz: i always get these sorts of problems when i use the "Step" library...
[23:13] abcdxyz: it kinda swallows exceptions or something similar
[23:14] Nuck: flow control is for noobs.
[23:14] AvianFlu: Nuck: CONTROL FLOW you mean
[23:14] amid_hasan: Where should a n00b start?
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[23:14] AvianFlu: FLOW CONTROL is for TCP backpressure and/or plumbing
[23:14] AvianFlu: amid_hasan, http://docs.nodejitsu.com
[23:14] abcdxyz: OMG Nuck, pls explain :D
[23:14] slickplaid: sounds like something my wife has to choose from every month or so
[23:14] Nexxy: lol
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[23:14] abcdxyz: should i be an inline callback cowboy then? :D
[23:15] Daegalus: Blah, I look at my forum software code, its still small and simple, yet I feel like its already horrible and probably misusing coding and bad practices
[23:15] amid_hasan: also, does anyone have any links that will help me master jSon?
[23:15] amid_hasan: quckly
[23:15] amid_hasan: *quickly
[23:15] slickplaid: master json?
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[23:15] abcdxyz: he was my kong fu master but he is called
[23:15] Sorella: amid_hasan, json.org
[23:15] abcdxyz: json san
[23:15] Nuck: JSON is fucking easy
[23:15] Nuck: json-san?
[23:16] Daegalus: i love json <3 so much better than xml
[23:16] locks: Nuck: that's so helpful
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[23:16] AvianFlu: Daegalus, YES
[23:16] Nexxy: Nuck, stop talking down to people that are trying to learn please
[23:16] abcdxyz: D
[23:16] abcdxyz: :D
[23:16] slickplaid: step one: put quotes around the keys. step two: ... step three: profit.
[23:16] Nexxy: amid_hasan, http://www.json.org/ is a good start
[23:16] Sorella: The specs are fairly straightforward and easy to follow.
[23:16] Daegalus: I persoanlly want XML to die, I will give it a nice memorial service, but it needs to die
[23:16] Nuck: Nexxy: I assumed we were misunderstanding him.  Turned out I was right
[23:16] abcdxyz: Nuch are you stoned or what? And this community is really tolerant here if they allow you here lol.
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[23:16] AvianFlu: honestly
[23:16] slickplaid: { "i am": "json", "hear": "me roar" }
[23:16] Nexxy: abcdxyz, if it was up to me I would have silenced him months ago
[23:16] locks: Daegalus: XML and JSON solve different problems, don't hate on XML just because it has been so horrible abused :P
[23:17] AvianFlu: Nuck is about the trolliest we have... and that's really not doing so badly
[23:17] Nuck: abcdxyz: But yeah, json-san's github repo is pretty simple.
[23:17] amid_hasan: Sorella: after reading specs, i'd love to see code samples of how jSon is applied to web services. any ideas where to look for code?
[23:17] Nuck: Err
[23:17] AvianFlu: we could have 40 of him
[23:17] Nuck: Sorry, trains collided
[23:17] Nexxy: like #ruby
[23:17] No9: www.jsonviewer.com is handy too when it goes breasts up
[23:17] AvianFlu: Nexxy, yes.
[23:17] Sorella: amid_hasan, there's no code. JSON is a markup-language, not a programming language.
[23:17] abcdxyz: Nexxy :-D he seems entertaining though
[23:17] Nexxy: abcdxyz, give it a few weeks.
[23:17] Sorella: similar to XML, YAML, CSV and such.
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[23:18] Nuck: abcdxyz: Nexxy has a severe distaste for me.
[23:18] Nuck: She's a humorless annoyance.
[23:18] Nexxy: don't flatter yourself
[23:18] Daegalus: locks: i know, i just hate it, its overly complex for no reason. At my internship I had to implement XML Entity Expansion protections so if someone every managed to hack into the servers, they couldnt' launch a billion laughs attack. You cant really do that with json
[23:18] abcdxyz: You can program FPGAs and embedded devices in JSON but that's an EASTER EGG
[23:18] abcdxyz: :-D
[23:18] locks: I've had my fair share of XML nightmare
[23:18] Nexxy: I barely tolerate you out of hopes that you will get your head out of your ass at some point and start being a productive member of the community :)
[23:18] locks: like, WSDL SOAP *gag*
[23:18] AvianFlu: it's pretty funny that I just saw Nuck call somebody else a humorless annoyance. XD
[23:18] Nexxy: instead of mocking everyone at every turn
[23:18] Nuck: https://github.com/jesusabdullah/json-san down at Examples
[23:19] AvianFlu: that, however, is a great lib to learn JSON with
[23:19] Nuck: Nexxy: Well, I've yet to see you contribute a single module
[23:19] AvianFlu: so Nuck++ in this case
[23:19] Nuck: AvianFlu: They asked about json-san
[23:19] AvianFlu: Nuck++
[23:19] v8bot_:  AvianFlu has given a beer to Nuck. Nuck now has 2 beers.
[23:19] No9: Its a matter of perspective SOAP was a shite load better than DCOM over http 
[23:19] Nuck: So I gave them JSON-san
[23:19] Nexxy: I'm talking specifically about your conduct in #node.js 
[23:19] Nuck: Am I the *only* person who realized they were asking about JSON-San specifically?
[23:19] Nexxy: I have no doubts that you're good @ programming
[23:19] Sorella: http://chocolatapp.com/blog/self-ml Is more interesting than XML, but lacks a JS implementation =/
[23:19] jerrysv: amid_hasan: most api's i've seen recently have offered responses in both XML and JSON
[23:19] Nexxy: you're just decidedly bad at interacting with people
[23:20] jerrysv: amid_hasan: if you want specifics, just ask
[23:20] amid_hasan: jerrysv: thank you.
[23:20] locks: Sorella: I may do one, since I've "finished" the ruby one
[23:20] amid_hasan: jerrysv: need to right tools to achieve desired result
[23:20] Sorella: locks, cool :3
[23:20] Nuck: Nexxy: I'm actually quite nice when I'm not dealing with annoying bitches.
[23:20] Nexxy: wow
[23:20] bnoordhuis: Nuck: turn it down a notch
[23:20] Nuck: Sorry
[23:21] jerrysv: amid_hasan: what are you trying to accomplish? is this just research, or are you looking to solve a real-world problem?
[23:21] locks: Nuck-- x10
[23:21] tjholowaychuk: programmers raging at each other ftw
[23:21] Nexxy: seriously now you're going to start name calling because I'm politely voicing my concerns with the way you interact with people that are trying to learn?
[23:21] abcdxyz: if you met Json-san go ahead and meet his best friends too: Jim Query. Jean Claude Var_Dump.
[23:21] abcdxyz: :-D lol
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[23:21] locks: abcdxyz: LOL @ Jim Query
[23:21] abcdxyz: locks ;)
[23:21] Nuck: Little Jimmy jQuery
[23:21] Nuck: Actually
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[23:21] Nuck: Not so little
[23:21] Nuck: I imagine he's morbidly obese.
[23:22] abcdxyz: yea
[23:22] abcdxyz: 250k minified
[23:22] abcdxyz: :D
[23:22] abcdxyz: lol
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[23:22] locks: he needs to get into The Biggest Loser
[23:23] Nuck: 250 lbs
[23:23] Nuck: And only a few years old
[23:23] abcdxyz: what is that? a TV show?
[23:23] Nuck: How old is jQuery, 6? 7?
[23:23] locks: abcdxyz: yes, about losing weight
[23:23] abcdxyz: omfg ive seen that
[23:23] abcdxyz: MTV?
[23:23] locks: Nuck: it's internet years though, so you have to multiply by 10
[23:23] locks: abcdxyz: no idea
[23:23] abcdxyz: mtv is gash
[23:23] Nuck: oh god
[23:23] Nuck: 70-year-old obese man
[23:23] Nuck: Ugly thing
[23:24] Nuck: Reminds me of my grandpa
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[23:24] abcdxyz: locks yea, like if Nuck saz his cock is 7 inches
[23:24] Nexxy: wow 
[23:24] Nexxy: horribly inappropriate
[23:24] abcdxyz: u know he means 0.7 in reality
[23:24] locks: '-'
[23:24] locks: wth
[23:24] Sorella: ...
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[23:24] Nuck: ...
[23:24] locks: ...
[23:24] Nuck: Soooooooo, about that Node.
[23:24] Sorella: 
ACTION goes back to reading dem specs

[23:25] Nexxy: this is #node.js... on freenode. (friendly reminder)
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[23:25] No9: Is there any P2P stuff available?
[23:25] AvianFlu: we should start to get liberal with setting +q in here, I think
[23:25] Nuck: Somebody should make a Bittorrent lib >_>
[23:25] abcdxyz: what's +q?
[23:25] Nexxy: agreed whole-heartedly
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[23:26] Nuck: nah, we're supposed to be more welcoming to newbies
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[23:26] Nexxy: I'd like to suggest less highschool e-peen toilet humor as well
[23:26] abcdxyz: lol
[23:26] amid_hasan: Does node interface with redis?
[23:26] abcdxyz: :D
[23:26] abcdxyz: soz
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[23:27] abcdxyz: really tired atm
[23:27] No9: i was thinking about hooking http://java.net/projects/jxta-c/sources/svn/show 
[23:27] jerrysv: amid_hasan: yes - but once again, are you just researching, or do you have a practical application?
[23:27] Nuck: plus length doesn't matter
[23:27] abcdxyz: saz your girlfriend
[23:27] dannycoates: amid_hasan: https://github.com/mranney/node_redis
[23:27] abcdxyz: :-D
[23:27] Nuck: It's all about the Adjusted Penis Size
[23:27] abcdxyz: oh me gosh
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[23:27] abcdxyz: wtf is that?
[23:27] Nuck: haven't any of you seen South Park?
[23:27] amid_hasan: dannycoates: thanks
[23:27] AvianFlu: mode +q is a mute
[23:27] jerrysv: amid_hasan: as annoying as some of the conversation got, just asking open ended questions doesn't tend to help much :)
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[23:27] AvianFlu: i.e. you can't talk in the channel
[23:27] abcdxyz: y i did
[23:27] abcdxyz: i remember now
[23:28] abcdxyz: AvianFlu i see man
[23:28] jvolkman: 
ACTION feels like he's in #teens from 15 years ago.

[23:28] abcdxyz: cartmen till had a small peewee
[23:28] abcdxyz: :D
[23:28] Nexxy: perhaps a #node.js-offtopic would be appropriate
[23:28] Nexxy: for the verbal masturbation that seems to have become so popular as of late
[23:29] abcdxyz: dont ban plz :D
[23:29] abcdxyz: having a great time
[23:29] Nexxy: at the expense of others :)
[23:29] No9: I take it that's a no enjoy the rest of the evening comparing cocks gentlemen
[23:29] abcdxyz: i will fukof as soon as sy has sg remotely related to node :D
[23:29] Sorella: Nexxy, lol
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[23:29] abcdxyz: No9 lol
[23:30] _sorensen_: i dont see any other relevant content going on atm, so i dont think its really hurting anything
[23:30] Sorella: abcdxyz, hm, is it that difficult to type in English?
[23:30] abcdxyz: Sorella aint i speak english lad
[23:30] Nuck: _sorensen_: Every time a penis joke is made, we all lose some braincells
[23:30] locks: 
ACTION sighs

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[23:30] Sorella: lass*
[23:30] abcdxyz: Nuck :D it doesnt matter for ya
[23:30] abcdxyz: :D you dont have any
[23:31] Nexxy: _sorensen_, there has been an exponential increase in off-color remarks and personal attacks the last few months
[23:31] Nuck: 
ACTION cowers from bnoordhuis

[23:31] locks: Sorella: you use Chocolat.app?
[23:31] Nexxy: off-topic discussion in general is no big deal IMHO
[23:31] chapel: Im not one for having strict rules, but those types of jokes are just a waste of time in a channel like this
[23:31] abcdxyz: Sorella aaa i see, ano its rude to ask sg like this from a lass but how old are you?
[23:31] abcdxyz: :-D
[23:31] Nexxy: but when you start alienating others for a cheap laugh
[23:31] Nexxy: you're hurting the community as a whole
[23:31] chapel: I agree Nexxy
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[23:31] Nuck: Agreed entirely
[23:31] Sorella: locks, nope. Someone posted a link to that in #inimino a while back though, and I found it interesting.
[23:31] Sorella: the self-ml post, I mean.
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[23:31] locks: ah
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[23:32] chapel: this channel is always praised for its openness and helpfulness for new noders
[23:32] chapel: off colored remarks and personal attacks don't help foster that
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[23:33] Nexxy: as well as snide replies to genuine questions
[23:33] abcdxyz: how can we personally attack each other, its teh internetz come on.
[23:33] Sorella: are editor wars okay, though? =/
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[23:33] chapel: having heated discussions is fine, just keep personal remarks out of here
[23:33] locks: no, because no one can question vim's superiority, Sorella 
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[23:34] chapel: abcdxyz: if you can't say it to your mom/sister/grandma/babies, probably shouldn't say it
[23:34] Sorella: locks, I see what you did there :3
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[23:34] chapel: as far as remarks against someone
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[23:34] abcdxyz: chapel the problem is i can? disappointed? :-D
[23:34] chapel: locks++
[23:34] v8bot_:  chapel has given a beer to locks. locks now has 1 beers.
[23:34] cconstantine_: I appear to have a memory leak in my node server.  I have a method that periodically (in a setInterval) computes stuff and it appears to be the source of the memory leak.  Does anyone have an hints on how to see where this memory is going?
[23:34] Nuck: vim sucks
[23:34] Nuck: Nano is the best CLI client
[23:34] carlocci: I'm having trouble with readline in the repl
[23:34] chapel: abcdxyz: no, don't be an ass, or you won't be welcome here, that is all (I am not an authority just a regular user)
[23:35] abcdxyz: chapel roger that
[23:35] Sorella: carlocci, which kind of trouble?
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[23:36] abcdxyz: chapel You wanna get ontopic? :-D Every used the Step flow control lib?
[23:36] carlocci: as soon as the line expands to the new line, backspace moves the cursor to  the bottom right and the line is repeated every keypress
[23:36] carlocci: what did I write??
[23:36] abcdxyz: *ever
[23:36] jokil: I see that node has a 'vm' feature that allows you to run sandboxed code (http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.6/api/all.html#executing_JavaScript). Does this also prevent access to OS APIs like 'fs' and 'child_process' ?
[23:36] chapel: abcdxyz: not personally, but Ive heard good things, Ive used async and seq
[23:37] chapel: jokil: it only allows what you pass into it, otherwise it is sandboxed
[23:37] abcdxyz: chapel cause it swallows all exceptions. is that normal?
[23:37] abcdxyz: chapel documentation is a bit sparse tbh
[23:37] abcdxyz: chapel anyway forget it im gonna check the source
[23:37] carlocci: as soon as the line is long enough to start a new line, backspace does that
[23:37] chapel: abcdxyz: you can pass exceptions if you want
[23:37] chapel: standard is err, res
[23:37] chapel: error being the first
[23:38] chapel: other flow control libraries have an error catchall usually at the end of the flow
[23:38] abcdxyz: i see
[23:38] carlocci: I really think it's readline's fault, as starting the repl with NODE_NO_READLINE works
[23:38] abcdxyz: ty
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[23:42] bnoordhuis: jokil: beware, it's possible to escape from the sandbox
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[23:44] TooTallNate: jokil: In the words of isaacs:
[23:44] TooTallNate: Prisons are designed to keep dangerous criminals. Sandboxes are for children to not get lost or hurt while playing. There are several ways to break out of the sandbox... DON'T!
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[23:45] jokil: bnoordhuis TooTallNate: Are you familiar with this? Is it a better abstraction? https://github.com/gf3/sandbox
[23:45] carlocci: well, if anyone've ever had problems with readline repeating the input when pressing backspace when the input is more than a line long, let me know
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[23:45] TooTallNate: carlocci: I know what you're talking about
[23:45] TooTallNate: I've experienced it
[23:45] kmiyashiro: I thought sandboxes were to keep the sand in.
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[23:46] TooTallNate: jokil: not familiar with it. but better how?
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[23:46] TooTallNate: what are you trying to sandbox?
[23:46] carlocci: TooTallNate: if you were able to solve it, do you have any hint?
[23:46] Sorella: carlocci, happens here as well. Not sure what the problem is though.
[23:47] TooTallNate: jokil: that module fires up a node child process, so it safer in that regard
[23:47] TooTallNate: it's also async, so if you needed sync then there's that
[23:47] TooTallNate: carlocci: never fixed it, just live with it
[23:47] jokil: TooTallNate: basically I'm trying to make a node.js developer challenge. I select set of modules are provided and contestants write code that uses these modules to solve the challenge.
[23:47] TooTallNate: jokil: you probably want a module like the one you linked
[23:48] carlocci: Sorella: it drives me mad. To the point I have to use ecmabot when fiddling withoneliners
[23:48] TooTallNate: running untrused code, I think the `vm` module is unsatisfactory
[23:48] TooTallNate: carlocci: you can use rlwrap
[23:48] TooTallNate: with NODE_NO_READLINE
[23:48] TooTallNate: worked nicely last I remember
[23:48] TooTallNate: but I don't use it
[23:48] carlocci: I think it's due to some mismatch in the line length as perceived by readline (just like when you use unwrapped color codes in your prompt)
[23:49] carlocci: TooTallNate: I might as well try that; it's even in the repo
[23:50] carlocci: or, maybe try to fix the bug
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[23:51] TooTallNate: carlocci: fixing it would be ideal, that way people like me who don't do rlwrap will be saved :D
[23:51] TooTallNate: carlocci: another part about rlwrap though is that it keeps your history
[23:52] TooTallNate: through subsequent processes
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[23:52] carlocci: ok, you are really tempting me
[23:55] TooTallNate: carlocci: lol, I've tempted myself! https://github.com/TooTallNate/dotfiles/commit/d928802df2b492e43a8fde9d3215f4cc37b6b8b7
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[23:57] RyanW: Love the topic.
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