[00:00] rootslab: nuck, if you want take a look
[00:00] rootslab: to formaline
[00:00] rootslab: module
[00:00] Nuck: rootslab: I might, but I'm trying to keep away from most implementations
[00:00] Nuck: I want to keep an open mind :P
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[00:00] Nuck: I get a Stream to my 'part' event, so I can just part.pipe(file)
[00:00] Nuck: And boom, now there's a file :D
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[00:01] Nuck: tjholowaychuk: Do you know if Formidable buffers at all?
[00:01] tjholowaychuk: they all do to some degree, you have to
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[00:01] tjholowaychuk: that doesn't mean it's slow
[00:01] Nuck: I won't be.
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[00:01] tjholowaychuk: in fact the opposite
[00:02] Nuck: Really?
[00:02] Nuck: Why would you say that?
[00:02] rootslab: anyway, If I have stopped your discussion , Sorry ;)
[00:02] tjholowaychuk: finish up yours, then benchmark it vs formidable and you'll see
[00:02] Nuck: I'm buffering headers, but I want to avoid holding back chunks
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[00:02] Nuck: Eh, I'm gonna be optimizing to the level of Formidable once I'm done, probably.
[00:03] cconstantine: I have an object (created like 'var foo = {}') and I want to test of a named property exists.  I'm doing 'if (foo[propName])' now, but that is giving me a false negative when the property was set to null or 0.  Is there a better way?
[00:03] tjholowaychuk: for sure, it'll be a good experience regardless, im not saying you should stop and use formidable
[00:03] Nuck: well, I can store metadata in the other form parts, so it'll be useful as hell for us
[00:03] Nuck: I'm just worried that I'll make shit sub-optimal :P
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[00:05] Nuck: Actually, I'm optimizing in different ways than Formidable, but I'm still writing pretty optimal code...
[00:06] softdrink: is there an elseif in make?
[00:06] Nuck: hmmm, just had an idea >_>
[00:07] Nuck: I wonder if I could do header parsing as a wrapper around the splitter
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[00:07] Nuck: I'll hafta think more about this later
[00:07] qbert_: hmm , starting a new project, should I support IE ?  I want to not, just so eventually no one will use it and I dont have to deal with its crap, on the other hand ...
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[00:10] asteig: qbert_: Totally depends on your audience. 70% of the visitors to the site I work for use IE, for instance.
[00:10] qbert_: this would be a tool strictly for programmers
[00:10] qbert_: well, and there managers :/
[00:10] asteig: D: Managers?! 
[00:10] asteig: Hmm.... tough one.
[00:11] asteig: Is it internal?!
[00:11] qbert_: yeah, if we don't find back though, IE will just continue to make all of our lives miserable
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[00:11] asteig: If it's internal, I say drop IE support. 
[00:11] shanebo: hey guys, fs.readdirSync() says it excludes filenames with '.' and '..', but it actually doesn't
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[00:12] shanebo: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.11/api/fs.html#fs.readdirSync
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[00:16] chjj: shanebo: it says it excludes '.' and '..'
[00:16] chjj: shanebo: which it does
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[00:16] shanebo: right so they shouldn't be returned right?
[00:16] chjj: right
[00:16] chjj: and they arent
[00:17] chjj: its like ls
[00:17] shanebo: well it's returning a hidden file in my directory
[00:17] chjj: if you do ls -a you get '.' and '..'
[00:17] chjj: no
[00:17] qbert_: . != 'a hidden file'
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[00:17] chjj: when it says '.' and '..' it literally means the cur dir and parent dir
[00:17] shanebo: I'm getting a '.DS_Store' returned
[00:17] chjj: shanebo: read what i said above
[00:17] shanebo: ahhh
[00:18] chjj: youll have to exclude .DS_Store yourself
[00:18] shanebo: k thanks
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[00:20] collypops: hey
[00:20] Nexxy: my suggestion would be to whitelist rather than blacklist when it comes to reading from files
[00:20] collypops: does anyone here have any experience with both jade and haml?
[00:21] collypops: I'm wondering if it's possible to have multiple 'yield' points in a jade layout
[00:21] AvianFlu: I once saw a jade bust of mark hammill - does that count?
[00:21] Nexxy: LOL
[00:21] collypops: (ones that, if unresolved, wouldn't break)
[00:21] collypops: haha
[00:21] collypops: nice :p
[00:21] killfill: is there a small event emitter avaiable for the browser?.. i think im used to event emitter in node.js, and want to use it on the client side.. :P
[00:22] tjholowaychuk: killfill EE2 by the nodejitsu guys
[00:22] tjholowaychuk: i dont think they have a "light" version that is just the node one
[00:22] tjholowaychuk: but it's pretty small anyway
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[00:22] chjj: AvianFlu: that mark hammel thing was epic
[00:23] killfill: oh i wasnthinking somethig 'micro', but ill check it out, thanks.
[00:23] collypops: killfill, would jQuery's event bind/trigger functions help?
[00:23] chapel: backbone has an event system
[00:24] killfill: aah backbone
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[00:24] killfill: sounds to be the smallest.. :)
[00:24] tjholowaychuk: pff
[00:24] chapel: lol
[00:24] chapel: ee2 is pretty small
[00:24] chapel: its been used in the browser
[00:24] tjholowaychuk: if you only care about the node features it can be tiny
[00:24] chapel: you can even use nodes ee
[00:25] chjj: you could actually implement a node-like EE in a few lines
[00:25] killfill: yah, true. 
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[00:25] collypops: ah, I forgot Backbone had events
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[00:28] killfill: ah i confused backbone with underscore.. :P
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[00:42] jeffContext: noob stream question... I'd like to chain together my own custom streams. The source is an http request that is gzipped. Then I'd like to muck with it before writing it out. httpClientRequest PUMP -> unzip -> myTransform1 -> myTransform2 -> file
[00:42] jeffContext: I'm confused about a few things. Do I use a pipe to go from unzip to my first transform?  Do I write my trnasforms as WriteableStreams? Do I chain them together with util.pump?
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[00:47] jeffContext: or perhaps someone can point me to an example?
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[00:50] CIA-69: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07prefork * r48f827f 10/ (src/win/core.c src/win/req.c): Ugly hack to avoid loop starvation - http://git.io/c81L-A
[00:50] CIA-69: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07prefork * rb087c21 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Define uv_object_t, a base class for handles and requests - http://git.io/SFg9eQ
[00:50] CIA-69: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07prefork * rb5d51a3 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Prefork server experiment - http://git.io/REcP7w
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[01:06] DrMcKay: I declare #1580 the longest GH issue ever.
[01:06] DrMcKay: (and yes, it's about the colon)
[01:07] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: you should see the ee2 pull request
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[01:08] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: which one?
[01:08] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: EventEmitter2? I don't see any long issue
[01:09] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/1436
[01:09] TooTallNate: DrMcKay: it was about adding namespaces to eventemitter I think
[01:09] AvianFlu: EE2 FTW
[01:09] TooTallNate: DrMcKay: there was another long one though at roughly the same time, about adding a "global" listener to EE
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[01:10] DrMcKay: yeah, but this discussion at least seems a bit constructive
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[01:11] jamescarr: TJ!
[01:11] DrMcKay: oh, is there gonna be a fight?
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[01:12] jamescarr: tjholowaychuk, any idea why a jade partial would render and escape the < and >?
[01:12] tjholowaychuk: jamescarr !=
[01:12] tjholowaychuk: = escapes
[01:12] jamescarr: doh!
[01:12] jamescarr: thank you!
[01:12] jamescarr: had to use ejs for a project for awhile
[01:12] jamescarr: I forgot the jade syntax :(
[01:12] tjholowaychuk: != is ugly so it stands out
[01:12] tjholowaychuk: as a potential security flaw
[01:12] tjholowaychuk: haha
[01:13] deoxxa: not getting a whole lot of love in #socket.io, so i was wondering if anyone here has had issues with socket.io-client - namely a complete failure to operate correctly
[01:13] deoxxa: i have a simple test case here: https://gist.github.com/bb21537e3e17ce0f0e42
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[01:14] deoxxa: after anywhere from 15-30 seconds of operation, it will time out and crash without ever establishing a connection
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[01:39] jamescarr: argh
[01:39] jamescarr: » expected [ 'BlueFuzion', 'Keynote' ],
[01:39] jamescarr: 	got	 [ 'BlueFuzion', 'Keynote' ] (deepEqual) 
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[01:43] CIA-69: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07prefork * rcfc5182 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Prefork server experiment - http://git.io/b2eZ2g
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[01:51] tbranyen: visionmedia started following joehewitt 3 minutes ago
[01:51] tbranyen: i wonder if this is like when bill murray meets jim carrey
[01:51] tjholowaychuk: ahahahaha
[01:51] tbranyen: :-p
[01:52] jamescarr: sweet
[01:52] jamescarr: I just scored some Riak stuff for my next usergroup meetup
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[01:57] jamescarr: this is better: https://gist.github.com/1179958
[01:57] jamescarr: can anyone figure out why my eyes deceive me?
[01:57] jamescarr: wtf am I missing!?
[01:58] jamescarr: assert.deepEqual(lead.application.companies, ['BlueFuzion', 'Keynote'])
[01:58] wmage: when I copy-paste, works for me jamescarr
[01:58] wmage: are you using nodeunit?
[01:58] jamescarr: vows
[01:59] tjholowaychuk: meows
[01:59] wmage: oh wow, that looks cool
[01:59] tjholowaychuk: right meows
[01:59] wmage: and you're telling me now when I wrote about 500 lines using node unit?
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[02:00] jamescarr: wmage, dude, no one uses node unit
[02:00] jamescarr: except maybe some old java developer from 1999 :-P
[02:00] jamescarr: wmage, I find either expresso or vows to be pretty top notch
[02:00] tjholowaychuk: i like nodeunit better than vows
[02:01] wmage: but *why* I didn't know about these before :-//
[02:01] mrkurt_: I like nodeunit
[02:01] wmage: is there some kind of "top node tools" page?
[02:01] marcello3d: http://eirikb.github.com/nipster/
[02:01] chjj: wmage: yeah, its called TJ's github page
[02:01] jamescarr: chlol
[02:01] marcello3d: I find vows to be a bit overengineered
[02:01] jamescarr: chjj, lol
[02:01] jamescarr: chjj, pretty much
[02:02] wmage: oh this stuff is cool
[02:02] tjholowaychuk: marcello3d yeah me too
[02:02] tjholowaychuk: test frameworks should be uber basic
[02:02] marcello3d: I'm using it on mongolian db but I'm probably going to move away from it because it makes writing tests a pain in the ass
[02:02] marcello3d: tjholowaychuk: yea, and they should resemble real app code
[02:03] marcello3d: anything come out of node knockout worth looking at?
[02:03] chjj: i kind of liked that guy who ported x api to node
[02:03] marcello3d: oh sweet, I just passed 100 watchers on mongolian :D
[02:03] wmage: marcello3d: what do you meen pain?
[02:04] jamescarr: fuck I give up
[02:04] jamescarr: there's no way those two arrays are not equal
[02:04] jamescarr: silly shit
[02:04] tjholowaychuk: jamescarr oh yeah i said i would give you access to that repo
[02:04] marcello3d: wmage: you just have to think about your code differently, I don't think it translates well to real world code
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[02:04] tjholowaychuk: i should probably add some tests first
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[02:06] vipaca: This is a noob question, but I need to write data to a stream and wait for a response, but I don't see how I can tie a read to s write.
[02:08] xerox: callbacks
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[02:10] jro_: hi all
[02:10] tbranyen: who dat
[02:10] tbranyen: who dere
[02:10] vipaca: This is a noob question, but I need to write data to a stream and wait for a response, but I don't see how I can tie a read to s write.
[02:11] vipaca: hi
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[02:21] g2826: hi
[02:21] jheusala: hi
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[02:22] g2828: hey :)
[02:22] paveq: :P
[02:23] paveq: testing
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[02:26] vipaca: bleh
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[02:54] Acolyte: what is the IRC channel for google data?
[02:56] Archio: Acolyte: Try ##google-apis
[02:56] Archio: http://groups.google.com/group/google-help-dataapi/browse_thread/thread/d66fc7122c317d5f
[02:56] jerrysv: ok, this is cool: http://flite-labs.no.de/
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[02:57] Acolyte: Archio: nobody is there, found it before
[02:58] Archio: Acolyte: Hmm... there might not be a big IRC community on something that specific, maybe try posting your question on StackOverflow?
[02:58] Archio: jerrysv: Cool, did you make it?
[02:58] g2835: a
[02:58] jerrysv: archio: no, it was from node-knockout
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[02:59] jerrysv: ryah: yt?
[02:59] jerrysv: or isaacs?
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[03:00] ryah: jerrysv: yes
[03:00] jerrysv: ryah: just wondering about the kapsi.fi ban, but the random joins and junk messages from g[0-9]{4}
[03:01] jerrysv: nothing important
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[03:05] g2839: yes
[03:05] g2839: yes
[03:05] g2839: m
[03:05] g2839: mkmk
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[03:07] ryah: jerrysv: *shrug* i dont care really
[03:07] ryah: i thought someone was spamming the channel originally
[03:07] jerrysv: yeah, wasn't sure what was going on
[03:08] ryah: it would be nice if the operator could make it a bit mroe clear
[03:08] ryah: make them choose nicknames
[03:08] jerrysv: was it an nko entry?
[03:08] ryah: jheusala--^
[03:08] ryah: yes
[03:08] AvianFlu: or at least say coolSiteUser4
[03:08] jerrysv: aha, ok. haven't made it that far in my judging
[03:08] jerrysv: thx
[03:09] abjorn: http://hostchopper.com/
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[03:12] paveq: ryah: http://nko-oulu.kapsi.fi/
[03:12] paveq: ryah: it should work now
[03:13] paveq: ryah: wait for green backend, and refresh the page
[03:13] paveq: sadly there is this bug :|
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[03:13] paveq: one cool feature is image preview
[03:13] abjorn: What's with corporations and using perl :(
[03:13] abjorn: especially hosting companies :(
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[03:14] tuhoojabotti: paveq: it takes a long time. :P
[03:14] paveq: if I paste img url here, it should show nice preview: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/traffic_light_street_art.jpg
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[03:15] paveq: tuhoojabotti: yep.. we ran into freenode trust limit
[03:15] tuhoojabotti: :D
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[03:15] paveq: in hindsight, we should have deployed our own ircd
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[03:15] tuhoojabotti: oulu-irc
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[03:16] paveq: sessions are (should be) persistent :)
[03:16] tuhoojabotti: cookie-persistent
[03:16] paveq: we will keep developing it after knockout
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[03:16] tuhoojabotti: I ate the cookie
[03:16] paveq: tuhoojabotti: well.. login and password wouldn't have been good idea for KO I think
[03:17] paveq: I just hate having to register and log in
[03:17] tuhoojabotti: true.
[03:17] tuhoojabotti: It's not turning green. :/
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[03:19] paveq: test
[03:19] paveq: it should work
[03:19] paveq: works fine for me :/
[03:19] MavJS: it works! :D
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[03:20] paveq: the backend is quite complex and prone to too many problems
[03:21] paveq: it inserts user to couch database, and then there is this ldapjs-thingy serving it to libnss-ldap and pam
[03:21] paveq: then it runs something like this:
[03:21] paveq: Aug 29 23:17:43 li298-178 logger: Running /etc/create-user.sh g2846 UMX8dPqMbAlDR4NT75Eza6gW2D5qGXCu as root
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[03:22] paveq: and starts icecapdjs & icecapd processes for the user :D
[03:22] deoxxa: time to go register as "x; adduser 0wned; adduser 0wned sudo;"
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[03:23] tbranyen: did you hear that everyone tjholowaychuk doesn't care about unstable people
[03:23] tjholowaychuk: haha
[03:23] tbranyen: also you appear in far too many of my feeds
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[03:24] paveq: http://xkcd.com/327/
[03:24] paveq: like this? :p
[03:24] tjholowaychuk: my plan of having less people to respond to by locking the node version
[03:24] tjholowaychuk: failed so bad
[03:24] tuhoojabotti: paveq: It runs as sudo on kapsi?
[03:24] incredimike: what's an appropriate module/way to get an md5sum for a file?
[03:24] tbranyen: lool
[03:24] tuhoojabotti: :O
[03:24] tbranyen: but srsly why are so many people using the unstable version
[03:24] paveq: tuhoojabotti: no :p
[03:24] tbranyen: i had to yell at peeps at work
[03:24] incredimike: a potentially very large file
[03:24] tuhoojabotti: That's what I thought.
[03:24] tbranyen: gtfo off 0.5 for production shit
[03:24] paveq: tuhoojabotti: its linode virtual machine
[03:25] tjholowaychuk: tbranyen a lot of people dont know odds are unstable
[03:25] tuhoojabotti: Aye
[03:25] tjholowaychuk: node doesn't really document it well
[03:25] tbranyen: tjholowaychuk: fo sho
[03:25] tuhoojabotti: tjholowaychuk: I reverted myself!
[03:25] halfhalo: I use unstable purely for shits & giggles.
[03:25] incredimike: TIL odds are unstable
[03:25] tbranyen: woah windows .exe
[03:25] tbranyen: time to make asp.node
[03:25] tjholowaychuk: i totally think npm should have a --force flag or similar though
[03:25] tjholowaychuk: i dont see why not
[03:25] paveq: tuhoojabotti: though our coding event was sponsored by kapsi
[03:25] tbranyen: i use -f everywhere tbqh
[03:25] tuhoojabotti: I know
[03:25] tbranyen: pacman, git, women... wait what
[03:25] paveq: perhaps we will see one version of this on kapsi website soon
[03:26] tbranyen: that was sexist and uncalled for
[03:26] tuhoojabotti: paveq: First, make it work. :D
[03:26] incredimike: sexism is as close as I get
[03:26] paveq: it does work.. well sort of! :P
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[03:26] tuhoojabotti: Then why can't I irc? ;__;
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[03:27] paveq: dunno
[03:27] paveq: user error!
[03:27] tuhoojabotti: Never!
[03:27] incredimike: pebkac
[03:27] paveq: :D
[03:27] paveq: tuhoojabotti: did you reload the page?
[03:27] abjorn: https://twitter.com/#!/hostchopper/status/104276902763700224
[03:27] tuhoojabotti: paveq: It never turned green?
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[03:27] paveq: tuhoojabotti: try changing the api key, and then reload
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[03:27] tuhoojabotti: I got it green once, then reloaded and nothing happened. :P
[03:28] paveq: sadly starting the backend is one time event, if it fails to connect to the irc, it never turns green
[03:28] tuhoojabotti: Well it turned green that time.
[03:28] tuhoojabotti: And I still have that api key, when it did.
[03:28] incredimike: suppose attempting to calculate a md5 hash for a 2GB file from within node a bad idea?
[03:29] tuhoojabotti: But it just says "sending apikey"
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[03:29] paveq: tuhoojabotti: oh, old api key probably won't work anymore
[03:29] tuhoojabotti: I did it this morning.
[03:29] paveq: because we have to kill some backends regularly to make more space
[03:30] tuhoojabotti: Now it's red
[03:30] incredimike: don't pick at it
[03:30] tuhoojabotti: like every 5 mins or so? ;)
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[03:32] tuhoojabotti: I want to vote for it, but I can't if it doesn't work at all. ;)
[03:33] paveq: tuhoojabotti: just delete the cookies set by site :P
[03:33] tuhoojabotti: I did that.
[03:33] paveq: or change api key to invalid gibberish
[03:33] tuhoojabotti: "Requesting api key..."
[03:33] g2848: staring at an empty screen
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[03:33] tuhoojabotti: got it at alst
[03:33] tuhoojabotti: last*
[03:33] tuhoojabotti: refreshed
[03:33] tuhoojabotti: waiting...
[03:34] tuhoojabotti: going to play flash games while waiting
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[03:35] g2850: lol
[03:35] tuhoojabotti: yay
[03:35] tuhoojabotti: that's my message :D
[03:36] g2848: sigh, IRC is too slow for web
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[03:39] tuhoojabotti: lol
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[03:39] g2851: Test
[03:40] tmzt_: success
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[03:44] g2853: hmm
[03:44] tuhoojabotti: hihi
[03:46] g2853: lol
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[03:58] te-brian: just had node.js AHAH moment  :)  Was going some XML parsing on the client side with jquery ... decided to move it to the server side.... copy-paste-done!
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[04:00] tuhoojabotti: xml parsing with jQuery o.O
[04:00] tuhoojabotti: xml in the first place o.O
[04:00] tuhoojabotti: json<3
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[04:01] Nuck: json forever
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[04:15] Nuck: God Pitchography is SO badass
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[04:16] thepatr1ck: 
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[04:23] jamescarr: anyone up for some quick html debugging? 
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[04:24] shanebo: jamescarr, I didn't know there was such a thing ;)
[04:24] jamescarr: hehehehe
[04:24] jamescarr: nvm... found my problem
[04:26] shousper: that was quick
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[05:01] g2863: foo
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[05:05] shanebo: hey guys is there a graceful way to throw 404s using Connect for static assets that have bad paths and such?
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[05:10] kmiyashiro: shanebo: how is it ungraceful?
[05:11] shanebo: I could be doing something wrong but it seems like when a static asset doesn't resolve I have to restart the server
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[05:22] sirstrumalot: hello!
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[05:23] sirstrumalot: question from a new node user  - anyone have a clue where the directory is that I would put my js files to test inside the bash an an RPM install on Mac OSX?
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[05:39] paulwe: could you turn up your stream to ballance the ads please?
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[05:42] te-brian2: tuhoojabotti: As soon as Yahoo makes their JSON not unusably bad, I will gladly switch :)
[05:42] botenza: Can anyone suggest a good framework for static serving of jade, coffeescript, js etc.?
[05:42] botenza: like middleman, or jekyll
[05:43] xerox: what about express :x
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[05:45] botenza: say for a simple, static web site, i just want to test something simple. Express seems overkill for a one page website etc.
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[05:45] xerox: apache? xD
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[05:47] botenza: :p[
[05:47] botenza: thx
[05:48] xerox: oh actually
[05:48] xerox: there is that thing
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[05:51] g2866: sup children!
[05:51] xerox: https://github.com/nodejitsu/http-server
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[05:55] dexter_e: JSDOM anyone?   How to get the whole document back out?
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[05:57] botenza: thx
[05:57] Marak: http-server is cool
[05:57] Marak: i use it at least 5 times a day
[05:57] Marak: >.<
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[05:57] Marak: http-server can be used programmatically now 
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[06:03] g2867: cccc
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[06:04] amatuer: anybody home?
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[06:07] amatuer: wanna discuss abt an innovative apps using node.js
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[06:10] framlin: not at home at work ;)
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[06:11] amatuer: oh! nice
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[06:11] amatuer: can u help me out
[06:11] framlin: and using node.js is innovative by itself ...
[06:11] framlin: ;)
[06:11] framlin: maybe
[06:11] amatuer: yeah! i kno
[06:11] framlin: what is your question?
[06:11] amatuer: but wanted some really new idea
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[06:11] framlin: you need a new idea?
[06:12] amatuer: yeah
[06:12] beginner: hello
[06:12] framlin: make native gui-bindings for all platfors you know
[06:12] amatuer: have come up wiht something like real time reading
[06:12] amatuer: n annotation
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[06:12] framlin: so that you can develop platform-independatn native apps with node.js
[06:13] amatuer: nice
[06:13] amatuer: so what apps 
[06:13] amatuer: like i have to do with node.js
[06:13] amatuer: but needdd app idea!!
[06:13] amatuer: :(
[06:13] framlin: the apps ar not the main part. them first thing one need are that gui-bindings ;)
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[06:14] framlin: ist a lib/framework-idea thats much mor and much more sustainable than just an app-idea
[06:14] amatuer: oh i want to extend it to a yr long work!
[06:14] amatuer: soemthing big!!!!!
[06:15] framlin: oh, belive me, a framwork for native html5/css-nodejs-apps is a HUGE work ;)
[06:15] framlin: something VERY BIG
[06:15] amatuer: :O
[06:15] amatuer: ok ok
[06:16] framlin: or now as an app-idea I wanted to have a text-based-consel-html-client that understands JavaScript
[06:16] amatuer: can i kno something more
[06:16] beginner: ahi framlin actually wat is meant by a gui-bindings??
[06:16] Lorentz: node.js based window manager
[06:16] Lorentz: / desktop environment
[06:16] framlin: so you can run realtime-fancy-web-2.0-sites from console
[06:17] framlin: beginner: gui-bindings is ofcourse not the right term.
[06:17] amatuer: u mean we need to create a console app?
[06:17] beginner: ok..
[06:18] framlin: I wanted to have something, that makes html5/CSS-based apps runing onn all OSs. Something like Mozillas XUL but with w3c-standards and nodejs
[06:18] framlin: amatuer: nop,that is a second idea
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[06:18] amatuer: oh this second idea sounds good
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[06:19] g2870: pew
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[06:19] g2870: /join #test
[06:19] amatuer: ok let me kno abt it in detail
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[06:20] framlin: there are many people all over the world, that cannot see, so they have to use text-to-speech combined with e.g. lynx
[06:20] amatuer: now is this third one?
[06:20] amatuer: but u kno htere are so many plugins
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[06:20] amatuer: for text to speech
[06:21] framlin: but the text-html-clients do mostly not understand js in a manner that enables them to run e.g. ajax-sites
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[06:21] framlin: bit with an node-client, one would be able to handle all this JS stuff and make more sites availabel without graphics
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[06:22] amatuer: ok now stick to one thing
[06:22] amatuer: n tell in detail abt it
[06:22] framlin: text-to-speech is no problem, but the "rendering" of a web-site that uses all this new fancy "ajax-stuff" is not available
[06:23] amatuer: u mean recommendation?
[06:23] amatuer: we hcan have tags
[06:23] amatuer: n then recommend
[06:23] amatuer: based on their interests
[06:24] amatuer: ??
[06:26] framlin: try to use try to use facebook or google-plus or something like that with lynx
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[06:26] framlin: maybe you understand then, what I mean
[06:26] amatuer: eyah
[06:26] bnns: hi can anyone help me with installing node using cygwin? i'm getting an error
[06:27] framlin: I mean a text/console-based browser that is able to handle all that JS-stuff that modern sites have built in
[06:27] amatuer: so a new browser u mean?
[06:27] bnns: something with cxx_link
[06:27] amatuer: with all readability n text-voice
[06:27] framlin: yepp, you got it
[06:28] amatuer: so manyyyyy browsers are there
[06:28] amatuer: do u think ppl switch to another one 
[06:28] framlin: but only with Text-IO so you can control it via voice because there are a lot of text-speech-text - plugins around
[06:28] amatuer: instead they would liek to use the existing browser with new plugings
[06:29] framlin: but peaploe who cannot see or are on a internetconnections without grafic available have no chance to visit modern sites
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[06:29] amatuer: so u are supporting my point!
[06:29] amatuer: :)
[06:29] framlin: THEY woul use a new full-web2.0-aware-text-browser
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[06:30] amatuer: so u wanna tell that .. new browser with html5 and othr things
[06:30] amatuer: ?
[06:30] amatuer: u think the existign browser wont do all that!!
[06:30] amatuer: crome n firefox man!!
[06:31] framlin: but if you cannot use chrome, because you have an ssh connection without X, you cannot use chromes-fancy-plugins
[06:31] framlin: u cannot use firefoy to
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[06:32] amatuer: cant we create a plugin with all this
[06:32] amatuer: so it can support existing browser
[06:32] framlin: and if you cannot see anything because you are blind, new mozilla-pluggins wouldnt helb you too
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[06:32] amatuer: so basically web browser for blind!1
[06:33] framlin: ok, that were two very very good ideas, I do not have more ;)
[06:33] framlin: amatuer: YEPP
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[06:34] framlin: but thats not only good for blind peaople, there are a lot of circumstances, where you have to use terminals without grafic ....
[06:34] amatuer: i need to have a time line for my work too
[06:34] amatuer: hmm i guess this will work
[06:34] amatuer: but can i kno more moer abt it!!
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[06:35] Nuck: Hullo again
[06:36] amatuer: what do u think the existing browser fro visually impaired is lacking
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[06:37] framlin: I think a first step would be to "render" all possible sites. Lets say with not-realtime-javascript until 31.12.2011
[06:37] framlin: amatuer: first thin is, you have tor "serialize" all the things you have to show
[06:37] amatuer: yeah thats what i wanted
[06:37] amatuer: go on
[06:38] framlin: you have onle "one dimension" if you read a text
[06:38] amatuer: yeah got it
[06:38] Nuck: 
ACTION has "another dimension" pop info his head

[06:38] framlin: so if you are able to interpret all that 2-dimension-layout into a one-serialized-layout you hav a first step to your first milestone
[06:39] framlin: lets say until november ;)
[06:39] amatuer: woah!
[06:39] dmkbot: *add 'subprocess' alias to 'child_process' ?* reported by ry: https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1549
[06:40] framlin: then you need the possibility to handle "ajax-exeptions" that is, that at any time there may be new stuff that should be spoken out
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[06:40] amatuer: GOd!!
[06:40] amatuer: wait
[06:40] deoxxa: go go gadget partspam
[06:40] deoxxa: gg @ whoever runs those bots
[06:41] framlin: and it must have full ARIA support: http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/aria
[06:41] beginner: framlin: actually wats this 2-dimension layout??
[06:41] framlin: you wanted an idea for a HUGE projet ... that it ;)
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[06:41] amatuer: yeah!!
[06:41] Nuck: deoxxa: Not bots, an NKO client
[06:42] framlin: beginner: on a grafical screen you have 2-dimensions
[06:42] amatuer: like 10 months project
[06:42] framlin: the lyout is two-dimensional
[06:42] Marak: dont make me bring in the real bots
[06:42] Marak: go use a test room
[06:42] framlin: if you read the side there is only one dimension left, the time
[06:43] beginner: sry dint get..
[06:43] framlin: so lets say you have to columns, you may read first the first column an then the second column
[06:43] beginner: ya
[06:43] framlin: beginner: close you eyes
[06:43] beginner: right
[06:43] beginner: ok
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[06:44] framlin: and imagine, i read the site for you
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[06:44] framlin: then you have no idea, where the sentence I am reading you is placed on the screen
[06:44] beginner: ok
[06:44] beginner: yes
[06:44] deoxxa: false. i can see through my eyelids.
[06:45] framlin: or imagine you have a braille - keyboard
[06:45] amatuer: :P
[06:45] brainproxy: anyone here using nodejuice?
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[06:45] framlin: there you can feel only one line at each time
[06:46] beginner: oh k...so how is it 2 dimensional??
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[06:46] Nuck: Solution: headless webkit
[06:46] framlin: so for that you have to "serialize" everithin, so you present it "sentence by centence"
[06:46] Nuck: 
ACTION points to PhantomJS

[06:46] amatuer: hmm wait
[06:46] framlin: beginner: its only ONE-dimensional
[06:46] amatuer: let me get a proper documentation for this idea
[06:47] beginner: ok
[06:47] amatuer: sothat i can follow what i have to do
[06:47] amatuer: what all is needed and all
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[06:47] Nuck: So now we have a beginner and an amatuer?
[06:47] amatuer: :D
[06:47] amatuer: :D
[06:47] framlin: amatuer: its on you to build a documentation/specification ;)
[06:48] amatuer: yeah 
[06:48] amatuer: i need a help
[06:48] amatuer: coz i still have no cleaaar idea!
[06:48] Nuck: Aren't there some niceties on certain sites to provide for screen readers?
[06:48] amatuer: i just have got little idea
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[06:49] framlin: amatuer: try to get in contact with blind people and ask them, how the would wish to use the modern-times-web
[06:49] amatuer: hmm yeah
[06:49] Nuck: jesusabdullah: Are you one of the folks at Stackhaüs?
[06:49] amatuer: ok!
[06:49] amatuer: but for now
[06:49] Nuck: Oh god
[06:49] amatuer: i have to write a documentaion for whatever i work on this yr!1
[06:49] Nuck: Web apps
[06:49] amatuer: yeah web apps
[06:50] Nuck: Jesus fuck
[06:50] Nuck: That's a killer
[06:50] framlin: Nuck: there are, but would you like to be limited to "certain sites"
[06:50] amatuer: what are you talking abt?
[06:50] Nuck: Can't translate a GUI into a vocal UI that easily :P
[06:50] amatuer: lol
[06:50] amatuer: thats the great part of the work!
[06:51] framlin: thats the problem ;)
[06:51] amatuer: guys can i know your real face
[06:51] amatuer: so that we can work on this
[06:51] Nuck: It's not really feasible.
[06:51] amatuer: ok!
[06:51] Nuck: I've got my own business to run lol
[06:51] amatuer: lets be practical and talk abt soemthing which can happen
[06:52] framlin: Nuck: yes, its really difficult, but I think with a technology like node, where you can build server-side-browsers, you hav e a good starting-point
[06:52] Nuck: Speaking of which I should get some sleep. Gotta work on my YC application tomorrow :D
[06:52] framlin: with eg jsdom, you do not have to code the DOM-Handling yourself etc. pp.
[06:52] amatuer: NOW I HAVE TO WORK ON SOMETHING THIS YEAR SO ASKIGN 
[06:53] Nuck: framlin: That's not the problem 
[06:53] Nuck: The issue is that it's not possible to interpret a GUI and make it respond to vocal commands
[06:53] framlin: Nuck: yes, so you may concentrate on the real problem and not all that "infrastucture stuff" arround
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[06:54] framlin: Nuck: did you have a look at ARIA
[06:54] framlin: There is a solution for some of the problems
[06:54] Nuck: ARIA is not well-adopted though
[06:54] amatuer: i feel this is soooooo huge for me to work on!!
[06:54] amatuer: :(
[06:54] Nuck: It's barely on maybe 10% of Google pages
[06:54] framlin: yes, but there some solutions that can be used and implemented within a text-browser
[06:54] Nuck: And even then it's spotty
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[06:55] Nuck: Imma go sleep nai all
[06:55] framlin: sleep well ;)
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[06:57] amatuer: am worried now
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[06:58] amatuer: hey framlin
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[07:04] framlin: ??
[07:04] amatuer: any othr idea?
[07:04] amatuer: am not satisfied :(
[07:04] framlin: sorry, but sometimes I not only have to givee ideas for applications, but have to imlement them for my customers, too ;)
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[07:05] framlin: sorry, but more than two ideas a day are charged ;)
[07:05] Creap: "socket.io" or "How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Asynchronousness of Node.js"
[07:06] framlin: ok, I have a third, only for you
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[07:07] framlin: I would like to have an application, that I can configure with the root-path of a JS-Project and from that on, it will create/update UML-Model/Diagrams from that source-tree in realtime
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[07:08] framlin: and will display them at my html-browser (as long until you have finished that native-html-css-framework)
[07:08] framlin: ;)
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[07:09] framlin: naturally, it should be possible to manipulate the uml-digrams and that will change my JS-code - in realtime ... because you asked for realtime-app-stuff ;)
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[07:39] [AD]Turbo: hi there
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[07:41] simenbrekken: I'm looking for a library that can pool parallel operations in a bucket wise manner (keep 20 http requests going but not more or less). I rememer someone discussing it here but I can't seem to find it
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[07:59] dexter_e: Anyone rockin JSDOM ? 
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[08:00] dexter_e: I wonder how to inject script tags 
[08:00] dexter_e: they seem to be getting stripped out
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[08:04] framlin: dexter_e:I think there was an array, where you pass script-file-names
[08:05] dexter_e: framlin: Thats correct, but I'm also injecting JSON collections into the HTML pages before being sent.
[08:05] framlin: dexter_e: I never use script-tags to embed js-code directly, so I only have noticd the script-file-thing
[08:05] dexter_e: framlin: If not script tags directly then how?  load them ?
[08:05] framlin: hm, mybe you could have a script with JASON-getter-methods
[08:06] dexter_e: but that about mean a double request eh ?
[08:06] framlin: JSON
[08:06] dexter_e: I want the JSON data to arrive with the original HTML object 
[08:06] framlin: hm, ok, there I have no idea at the moment
[08:06] dexter_e: if I load the JSON afterwards thats two trips around the world 
[08:07] dexter_e: thanks anyway, its close!
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[08:07] framlin: maybe you can use that old-stuff-hidden-form-field-pattern?
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[08:07] dexter_e: hidden form fields for JSON data? 
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[08:08] framlin: maybe you could "convert" them first
[08:08] framlin: its only feasible for some szenarios ..
[08:09] dexter_e: hmm as in : input.value = JSON.stringify(obj)  ?
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[08:09] framlin: something like that
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[08:10] dexter_e: good idea , I'm having some browser compatibility red flags popping up though :)
[08:10] dob_: did somebody find a way to create docx via node?
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[08:10] aeo: Hi, guys.
[08:10] dexter_e: This JSDOM thing really kicks ass though. 
[08:11] dexter_e: I'm juggling fully working chunks of html on the client and server the exact same way. 
[08:11] framlin: yes, I use it for the same reason, too ;)
[08:11] dexter_e: the server just changes the arriving state of the site and the JS browser side takes over from there
[08:11] dexter_e: Its AWESOME
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[08:12] framlin: yepp
[08:12] dexter_e: Its HARD to justify {{%% }}%%  type things at this point. 
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[08:12] framlin: {{%% }}%% ?? do not know that
[08:13] dexter_e: I mean template delimiters
[08:13] framlin: template-stuff?
[08:13] dexter_e: :)
[08:13] dexter_e: yeah
[08:13] framlin: ahh ;)
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[08:13] framlin: I use weld for that
[08:14] dexter_e: Weld is the bomb too.    How do you inject  src tags ?
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[08:14] dexter_e: or hrefs ?
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[08:14] framlin: but my reqirements are just simple
[08:14] framlin: I have som JS-Code to do that myself ;)
[08:15] framlin: not in my brain-memory at the moment ;)
[08:15] dexter_e: right right, yeah thats the way you gotta do it 
[08:15] dexter_e: either that or the map function
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[08:15] framlin: but there should be some "official" solution as I have read at the isuue-list of weld
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[08:15] dexter_e: the "oficial" solution is the map function list
[08:15] aeo: What do I do if node.js isn't working?
[08:15] framlin: yepp-map-function was the point ...
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[08:16] dexter_e: framlin: so have you abandoned template delimiters fully? or do you find you still need them for somethings?
[08:16] dexter_e: I'm looking forward to having a total JS server-browser consistency
[08:16] aeo: Like, I installed node.js and tried to run the example thing
[08:17] aeo: and it says: "Server running at http://127.0.0.1:1337/"
[08:17] aeo: But when I go to 127.0.0.1:1337 I get a connection error
[08:17] aeo: Do you guys know likely causes of what might be wrong?
[08:17] aeo: (I'm using node 0.4.11 on CentOS 5.6)
[08:17] dexter_e: aeo: read what it says in your console 
[08:18] dexter_e: when the error happens 
[08:18] dexter_e: it will tell you what went wrong
[08:18] framlin: dexter_e: no tepmlate-stuff at all 
[08:18] aeo: dexter_e: The error is 'request timed out'
[08:19] aeo: Alternatively: "Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to myserver:1337"
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[08:20] dexter_e: aeo: you have to look at the errors in the console you used to start node
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[08:21] aeo: dexter_e: There aren't any
[08:21] aeo: All it says is
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[08:21] aeo: Server running at http://127.0.0.1:1337/
[08:21] aeo: Which I presume isn't an error
[08:22] dexter_e: aeo: go to your example code and change the port to 8000 and see if the same thing happens
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[08:23] stride: aeo: is "myserver" localhost?
[08:23] dexter_e: do you have torrent or any remote desktop stuff running ?
[08:23] aeo: stride: It's the IP of my server
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[08:23] dexter_e: it sounds like its not even hitting node
[08:24] aeo: dexter_e: No.
[08:24] aeo: I do have an Apache server running on port 80
[08:24] dexter_e: try to change your example code to listen to a different port
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[08:25] aeo: Nope, port 8000 doesn't work either
[08:26] aeo: Oh, wait, I figured it out
[08:26] stride: aeo: does the firewall allow communication on the port & did you listen on all interfaces in your node code?
[08:26] aeo: There's some sort of firewall on my server
[08:26] aeo: Connecting via localhost works
[08:26] dexter_e: stride: nice catch
[08:27] stride: aeo: linux?
[08:27] aeo: stride: CentOS 5.6
[08:27] stride: that has the default redhat iptables rules iirc, wait a sec
[08:28] stride: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-rhel-linux-open-port-using-iptables/ that first one with the appropriate port should work
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[08:33] dexter_e: framlin: you're living the delimiterless dream 
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[08:34] dexter_e: total consistency between server and browser
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[08:37] CIA-69: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r1088638 10/ (196 files in 6 dirs): upgrade libuv to a6ed175 - http://git.io/ed9yhg
[08:37] CIA-69: node: 03Igor Zinkovsky 07master * rbce41fa 10/ (10 files in 3 dirs): 
[08:37] CIA-69: node: Use new uv_fs_ apis
[08:37] CIA-69: node: This will cause master to be unstable for a while as we replace existing eio
[08:37] CIA-69: node: calls with uv_fs calls. - http://git.io/Rclu8Q
[08:37] aeo: stride: Didn't work, but this workaround did: http://arguments.callee.info/2010/04/20/running-apache-and-node-js-together/
[08:37] aeo: Thanks for the help!
[08:39] ptlo: anyone from joyent around for a quick (non-help) pm?
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[08:41] amateur: anybody home?
[08:41] amateur: framlin
[08:41] amateur: ??
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[08:43] dob_: did somebody try to create docx files in node.js?
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[08:46] stride: shouldn't be so hard dob_, it's just zipped xml files
[08:46] beginner: hi
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[08:52] dob_: stride: okay thank u. hoped there is a ready to run solution
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[08:58] radiodario: does anybody know how to access variables passed to jade from javascript?
[08:59] eldios: #{varname} ?
[09:00] framlin: dexter_e: yepp, I hate that template-delimiters since my earliest JSP-times ;)
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[09:02] industrial: How do I check RAW data going from and to a NodeJS server?
[09:02] industrial: e.g. HTTP requests
[09:02] industrial: I can do it in the browser with a proxy app like Charles.app
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[09:03] industrial: but I want to see what certain requests are really sending.
[09:03] den512: tcpdump?
[09:03] industrial: I'm trying to implement OAuth for a custom provider and all I'm getting back is 'Invalid OAuth Request'
[09:03] stride: tcpdump / wireshark / burpsuite
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[09:03] dexter_e: framlin:  I just got the json strings embedding along side jquery with env()
[09:03] dexter_e: :)
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[09:08] den512: is there some way to find out where in my node script high memory allocation is caused?
[09:08] den512: I got FATAL ERROR: JS Allocation failed - process out of memory and don't know why
[09:08] slaskis: industrial: i use proxycap to redirect everything through charles.app
[09:09] slaskis: i just find wireshark a pain to debug http with, but maybe i just don't know how to use it 
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[09:10] slaskis: (i'd love a tutorial on best practices with wireshark and http)
[09:10] industrial: slaskis: okay
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[09:12] simenbrekken: I'm looking for a library that can pool parallel operations in a bucket wise manner (keep 20 http requests going but not more or less). I rememer someone discussing it here but I can't seem to find it
[09:12] aeo: Okay
[09:12] aeo: I used npm to install socket.io
[09:12] aeo: But node.js still says: Error: Cannot find module 'socket.io'
[09:13] aeo: My guess is that socket.io was installed to the wrong place?
[09:13] aeo: I see ~/node_modules/socket.io/
[09:13] aeo: Do you know how to fix that?
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[09:15] japj: you should run npm install from your project top directory
[09:15] slaskis: industrial: or you can use node and node-libpcap to debug your node ;)
[09:15] simenbrekken: I Found it: https://github.com/substack/node-seq :)
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[09:16] radiodario: eldios: thanks!!
[09:17] eldios: radiodario, ;)
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[09:28] Lorentz: nwm? yesssss
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[09:29] aeo: japj: Where is my project top directory?
[09:29] CIA-69: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * rb68c6ba 10/ deps/v8/tools/gyp/v8.gyp : Fix Windows build - http://git.io/uSVTAg
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[09:32] Orion-: Hello people
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[09:35] japj: aeo: your project top directory is wherever your application using socket.io is stored
[09:36] aeo: japj: Like, the app.js file?
[09:36] japj: yes
[09:36] aeo: thanks
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[09:37] aeo: japj: It worked!
[09:38] aeo: japj: Thank you so much!
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[09:38] eldios: guys a nice lib to draw graphs in node?
[09:39] eldios: better if from substack or visionmedia
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[09:39] japj: https://github.com/LearnBoost/node-canvas ?
[09:41] eldios: lemme see =) tnx for now japj 
[09:43] japj: ryah: I'll submit an v8 issue for that
[09:44] japj: ryah: unless you're already doing that ofc ;)
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[09:44] eldios: mmm.. but I'd need cairo..
[09:44] eldios: and I don't know if it's installed on the hosting part
[09:44] ryah: japj: already did
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[09:46] eldios: ryah, sorry to use your precious time andbrain energy but.. how would you take exec stdout ... out of the exec itself? being more concise, I want the stdout stored in a variable OUTSIDE the exec. I setInterval which polled till var != from default value but I understand it's kinda nasty :P any other approach?
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[09:51] Glenjamin: can't you just use it in the callback from exec?
[09:51] eldios: mm.. it's possible but also worse.. also need nesting and code repetition
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[09:52] Glenjamin: are you using something like async to manage your callback control flow?
[09:52] eldios: https://github.com/eldios/polyDios/blob/master/server.js
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[09:52] eldios: look at the callPolygen method
[09:52] eldios: I use the callback now
[09:52] maushu: Anyway to find out if a object was successfully garbage collected besides -trace-gc?
[09:53] japj: ryah: d_namlen does not exists on my linux machine, http://linux.die.net/man/3/readdir
[09:53] eldios: Glenjamin, anyhow it would be nice to kinda pull it out the exec and return it somehow
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[09:54] Glenjamin: hrm, I'm having trouble following this control flow
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[09:55] Glenjamin: callPolygen = locate the Grm, then exec, then return?
[09:56] eldios: yes
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[09:56] eldios: return would be the actual goal
[09:56] Glenjamin: sounds like a job for async.waterfall
[09:56] eldios: but since it's not possible, calling the cb is the only way
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[09:56] Glenjamin: yeah, when i say return i mean callback
[09:57] eldios: oh ok
[09:57] Glenjamin: one sec, i'll sketch out a gist
[09:57] eldios: tnx
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[10:01] maushu: Hmm, --trace-gc is not working. :(
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[10:03] maushu: Oh, it's trace_gc
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[10:05] Glenjamin: eldios: something like this - https://gist.github.com/1180584
[10:05] franck34: is there kaazing hackers here ?
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[10:07] eldios: Glenjamin, looks good
[10:07] eldios: do you want to make a pull request or do I merge the code manually?
[10:07] Glenjamin: you're better off doing it manually really, i haven't run or checked that
[10:07] eldios: ^^
[10:07] eldios: k tnx
[10:08] Glenjamin: but in general, split the code up into small discrete functions and use async to chain them together
[10:08] Glenjamin: keeps things tidier :)
[10:08] eldios: indeed
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[10:08] maushu: Is anyone able to use --trace_gc in the latest node.js version?
[10:09] maushu: Oops, nevermind, it's -trace_gc.
[10:09] maushu: The help lied to me! ;_;
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[10:16] CIA-69: libuv: 03Jeroen Janssen 07master * r2af955d 10/ src/unix/fs.c : 
[10:16] CIA-69: libuv: Fix posix dirent usage
[10:16] CIA-69: libuv: Fixes #161 - http://git.io/si3MHQ
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[10:22] Glenjamin: .. var r = []; if ([]) r.push(1); if ([1]) r.push(2); if ([] == true) r.push(3); if ([1] == true) r.push(4); r
[10:22] catb0t: [ 1, 2, 4 ]
[10:22] Glenjamin: can anyone explain that? ^^
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[10:24] Orion-: == is so mystical in js :)
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[10:26] Glenjamin: i assumed that == true was implied by an if body
[10:26] stagas: .. [[0] == true, [1] == true]
[10:26] catb0t: [ false, true ]
[10:26] Glenjamin: s/body/condition/
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[10:27] Glenjamin: ah
[10:27] Glenjamin: i see
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[10:27] stagas: what? :P
[10:27] Glenjamin: probably not a good way to check for an empty array then
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[10:30] g2892: hello
[10:30] eldios: for my charts I will use this ---> http://www.highcharts.com/demo/line-ajax *drawling*
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[10:35] eldios: this is nice too anyway http://jsno.de/presentations/jsconf2011/#slide13
[10:35] jheusala: ryah: we had problems to change the nickname with icecap since it's documented way to do it didn't work -- and we didn't have time to figure out why
[10:36] Glenjamin: ack, line-by-line slides >.<
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[10:40] Orion-: I wonder what you guys use as testing framework for js projects ? Jasmine ? Jspec ? please tell me what you choose and why ? I'm willing to incorporate TDD in my workflow for js projects I'm used to rspec for ruby projects.
[10:40] eldios: jesusabdullah, are you on g+?
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[10:42] collypops: what's everyone's favourite Node Knockout entries?
[10:43] japj: bnoordhuis: will we still have a "configure" script when waf is removed?
[10:43] bnoordhuis: japj: yes
[10:44] Dmitrijus: Orion-: nodeunit
[10:45] Orion-: Dmitrijus: thanks, any reason for this choice ?
[10:46] Dmitrijus: Orion-: well, no, but i am using it now and no complains so far, does the job nicely :)
[10:47] Orion-: ok thanks Dmitrijus 
[10:47] japj: bnoordhuis: good, btw will you integrate that libuv/ev/config_linux.h feature detection in libuv?
[10:48] bnoordhuis: japj: yes, i'll merge it
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[10:50] CIA-69: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r0ba44cf 10/ src/ev/config_linux.h : ev: improve feature detection on linux - http://git.io/CzEOxQ
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[10:54] industrial: I can't seem to get my HTTPS requests going FROM my nodejs server to another server in Charles.app :9
[10:54] industrial: I'm using https://github.com/mikeal/request for the request
[10:55] industrial: seeing it has a proxy option I filled that in for the running charles, but still no go
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[11:10] CIA-69: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * rfe4b742 10/ (deps/uv/src/ev/config_linux.h deps/uv/src/unix/fs.c): uv: upgrade to 0ba44cf - http://git.io/ZT0bPQ
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[11:13] industrial: bnoordhuis: How would you take a look at the raw request data going over the line between a nodejs server and an oauth server?
[11:13] bnoordhuis: industrial: tcpdump or wireshark?
[11:14] industrial: yeah, but then its just SSL data
[11:14] industrial: garble :)
[11:14] bnoordhuis: industrial: you can proxy/mitm ssl
[11:14] bnoordhuis: it's somewhat involved though
[11:14] industrial: I just wanna get my oauth format right :\
[11:15] industrial: I have Charles.app for OSX but I can only see the requests from my browser to the nodejs server, not nodejs to another server
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[11:16] bnoordhuis: industrial: there's a tool that makes it easy but i forgot what its' called, 1s
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[11:17] H4ns: industrial: you could use stunnel as proxy and then use tcpdump/wireshark on the connection between node and stunnel
[11:18] bnoordhuis: industrial: sslsniffer - does roughly what H4ns said
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[11:26] industrial: okay
[11:26] industrial: thanks
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[11:32] g2894: #node.js
[11:32] jheusala: yeah
[11:32] g2894: /connect irc.freenode.net
[11:33] jheusala: it doesn't support commands :-)
[11:33] g2894: hello
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[11:33] butu5: :)
[11:33] g2893: testing
[11:33] g2894: why it shows only what I post here
[11:34] jheusala: refresh
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[11:34] jheusala: I guess there is a bug
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[11:34] butu5: u developed?
[11:34] jheusala: after refreshing it seems to work
[11:34] jheusala: me, paveq and jkj
[11:34] butu5: hmm it is working
[11:34] butu5: I also played around a bit with irc client
[11:35] butu5: looks like u r broadcasting on msg arriaval?
[11:35] jheusala: it's using socket.io
[11:35] jheusala: truly event-driven
[11:35] butu5: yeah.. on socket.io
[11:35] butu5: u r broad casting right?
[11:35] jheusala: icecap protocol is also event-based, works well with node.js
[11:35] jheusala: not actually
[11:35] jheusala: the source code is btw public
[11:36] g2893: https://github.com/nko2/oulu
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[11:37] jheusala: I guess I finally figured how to clean up couchdb :-) 
[11:38] butu5: hmm .. but one thing don't mind.. the code structure looks bit confusing.. naming convention and file structure etc
[11:38] jheusala: sadly we didn't thought to write it in guide to refresh if something doesn't seem to work
[11:38] jheusala: yeah, we will re-write it after NKO
[11:38] butu5: r u using node-irc module?
[11:38] jheusala: no, it's using icecapd
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[11:39] jheusala: it's like IMAP but for IRC
[11:39] jheusala: node-icecap
[11:39] butu5: ohh ok I am not much familiar with icecapd
[11:39] butu5: will check
[11:39] jheusala: icecap.irssi2.org
[11:39] jheusala: it's the protocol irssi2 is using
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[11:40] jheusala: so if you had a ssh to our shell, you could use irssi2, also
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[11:41] jheusala: icecap is much cleaner protocol than raw IRC
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[11:44] bnoordhuis: http://lwn.net/Articles/456798/ <- whaaaat?
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[11:46] ptlo: bnoordhuis: http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.com/2011/08/update-on-attempted-man-in-middle.html
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[11:47] bnoordhuis: 
ACTION removes DigiNotar from CA list

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[11:51] g2895: wat
[11:51] bnoordhuis: what pisses me off the most is that diginotar is the ca behind most dutch government sites
[11:51] g2895: I'm confused
[11:51] bnoordhuis: jheusala: your project again?
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[11:56] jheusala: bnoordhuis: again?
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[11:59] jheusala: I've wrote a short blog post about that nko-oulu irc project: http://www.jhh.me/blog/2011/08/29/post-nko-greetings/
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[12:00] g2898: butts
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[12:02] jheusala: well, we can change it on IRCNet if it's not OK here. I thought it was OK now.
[12:03] aaronmcadam: wtf?
[12:03] H4ns: jheusala: just test in a private channel instead.
[12:04] SubStack: >_<
[12:04] jobim: Cleaning house.
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[12:04] Martin1982: Holy **** I never heard Colloquy starting a wat
[12:04] Martin1982: *war
[12:04] Jalava_: FAIL, greets from finland :P
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[12:04] SubStack: damn robits know how to count!
[12:04] SubStack: WHO TAUGHT THE ROBOTS HOW TO COUNT?
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[12:05] bnoordhuis: wtf, i banned you
[12:05] marienz: bnoordhuis: I think you typoed your ban: you wanted *!*@nko-oulu.kapsi.fi
[12:05] marienz: bnoordhuis: what you banned was actually *!*!@nko-oulu.kapsi.fi (stray "!")
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[12:05] g2900: Hello World!
[12:06] bnoordhuis: ah right
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[12:06] tuhoojabotti: hehe
[12:06] Martin1982: zomg we have another infiltrator, g2900?
[12:06] g2900: What am I?
[12:06] BlouBlou: well, I think that ban is not longer necessary
[12:07] marienz: I can't predict how long that kline will stay
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[12:07] jheusala: k-line?
[12:07] jheusala: how about just asking :-)
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[12:08] marienz: jheusala: I'm freenode staff
[12:08] jheusala: we didn't move it away since ryah was ok.
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[12:08] marienz: jheusala: so if you meant asking how long the kline lasts: I'd have to ask myself :)
[12:08] jheusala: marienz: well, we can try to change the network after work today.
[12:09] jheusala: we cannot change the channel since it's Node Knockout entry and it's in the code.
[12:09] marienz: 
ACTION is confused

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[12:09] marienz: do you mean you know what these are?
[12:09] tuhoojabotti: His project :D
[12:09] jheusala: marienz: it's our Node Knockout web IRC
[12:09] bnoordhuis: marienz: they're coming in from a node knockout project
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[12:09] tuhoojabotti: His team's*
[12:09] marienz: ah.
[12:09] marienz: I can lift the kline if you know what these are and have them under control
[12:09] bnoordhuis: jheusala: i'm not lifting the ban, i don't want them fouling up the place
[12:10] marienz: do you know if they'll connect anywhere else if I lift the kline?
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[12:10] jheusala: http://nodeknockout.com/teams/oulu
[12:10] jetienne: there is a #nodeknockout channel too
[12:10] clyfe: is there a http router that can do the reverse - url generation from a set of segmets a-la Rails (as in url_for) ?
[12:10] marienz: having them bounce off your channel ban would probably be preferable over having them bounce off a network ban if this is the only channel they join
[12:10] jheusala: marienz: we have them under control and Node Knockout staff has SSH access to there too
[12:10] marienz: ok
[12:11] jheusala: that's only channel they join
[12:11] marienz: I've unset the network ban, although it'd still be good if you limited the number of these connecting
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[12:11] jheusala: it's hard coded in the code
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[12:11] Raynos: `sys.print(console); // undefined`
[12:11] Raynos: Why would console be undefined? :\ console has always worked
[12:12] jheusala: I can try to implement some kind of limit (without touching the source code) but I'll need to go to work now :-P
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[12:13] Raynos: And why aren't sys.print & sys.puts documented?
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[12:13] tuhoojabotti: Raynos: You're saying console.log doesn't work?
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[12:14] tuhoojabotti: Raynos: What node version are you running?
[12:14] Raynos: tuhoojabotti: pretty much. I'm injecting some prints into vows for debugging and running vows from the command line
[12:14] Raynos: 0.4.10 I think
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[12:18] Vertice: Raynos: weren't they depricated ?
[12:18] Raynos: I think so
[12:18] Raynos: But I dont know how else to log things if console is undefined
[12:18] tuhoojabotti: console.log should work.
[12:18] Vertice: i prefer console.warn ost of the time
[12:18] andreyvit: Hey. I wonder if anyone knows what might be my best bet in doing unicode KD decomposition in Node.js? Nothing similar found in the list of modules. Any ICU bindings? If not, any simple way to create them? Existing project this is best contributed to?
[12:18] Vertice: for testing
[12:19] Vertice: it's synchronous 
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[12:19] Vertice: also. iirc the sys module was renamed to util
[12:19] Vertice: so this is relevant - http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.11/api/util.html
[12:21] stagas: wow! http://ape.stronaut.com/
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[12:21] cjheath: Any node internals devs here? I'm looking at using it in some embedded hardware and want to ask about how it achieves asynchronous behaviour
[12:21] jheusala: korjasin
[12:21] jheusala: uh sorry
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[12:21] jheusala: wrong channel
[12:22] H4ns: cjheath: it uses libeio and libev
[12:22] cjheath: I.E. the eoi lib seems to use pthreads to support "truly asynchronous I/O"
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[12:22] cjheath: which is a little surprising to me :)
[12:22] tuhoojabotti: stagas: Can you play it?
[12:22] stagas: tuhoojabotti: yeah in chrome
[12:22] tuhoojabotti: it keeps refreshing for me
[12:23] H4ns: cjheath: what exactly is it that suprises you?
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[12:23] cjheath: Well the idea of using evented IO is that you don't need to use threads... so to emulate events using threads seems odd, that's all
[12:23] H4ns: cjheath: (i am using node in an embedded situation, too.  i'm not a node "internals developer" though, but an extension writer, if you will)
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[12:24] cjheath: It's not a problem; the largish code-base I have to integrate also uses pthreads, so should be ok
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[12:24] cjheath: So this device is a Gumstix, Arm A8 Cortex
[12:24] H4ns: cjheath: right.  you just need to make sure that you are using the right mechanisms to communicate between node's thread and your other threads
[12:25] H4ns: cjheath: i'm on a bugbase 2.0, which is cortex a8 as well.
[12:25] cjheath: Ok, rigt, that's why I came here
[12:25] cjheath: I've done threaded code in C++ before, so I don't nee orientatuin on that... but where to find the right PIs inside node?
[12:25] cjheath: *APIs
[12:25] H4ns: cjheath: i've been using libev to connect my asynchronous threads to node's.
[12:26] cjheath: DO you have stuff being triggered from the interrupt level?
[12:26] H4ns: cjheath: basically, what you will be using is the V8 api, and you'll have to look at existing code to fifgure your way out.
[12:26] Raynos: cjheath: it also uses iocp on windows
[12:26] cjheath: Best example of "existing code" - node is getting rather big now :)
[12:26] H4ns: cjheath: no, i'm not running node inside of the kernel if that is what you mean to say.
[12:27] cjheath: Oh, ok, right
[12:27] H4ns: Raynos: we're talking embedded linux
[12:27] Raynos: Ah ok.
[12:27] Raynos: I just read embedded
[12:27] Raynos: Didn't stop to think that embedded windows might be stupid
[12:27] cjheath: So I need device drivers (for Screen, buttons, and the FPGA that does the guts of the instrument;s work)
[12:27] stride: stagas: damn :) you're too good at this ;>
[12:27] cjheath: then interface those using FDs in eoi or whatevs
[12:28] cjheath: Sounds about right H4ns?
[12:28] stagas: stride: wish it had rounds
[12:28] H4ns: cjheath: or threads and libev.  you can look at https://github.com/hanshuebner/node-pjsip for some code that has a pretty involved way to get asynchronous callbacks from a foreign library back into node.
[12:29] H4ns: cjheath: correct, yes.
[12:29] cjheath: xlnt
[12:29] cjheath: Thanks
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[12:31] tbranyen: ryah: holy wow, never thought i'd see the day microsoft would be hiring a nodejs dev
[12:31] tbranyen: thats amazing
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[12:32] tbranyen: and kind of apocalyptic
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[12:32] industrial: their fall has already begun, it will just take a while
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[12:34] zmbmartin: SubStack: Is there a way with seq to jump to the next seq without a callback or using a blank one? I am downloading files from the db and do not want to jump to the next seq until the file is downloaded.
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[12:34] stride: tbranyen: huh? who was hired by MS?
[12:35] Raynos: tbranyen: There are microsoft devs working on node core
[12:35] Raynos: There's a MS advert for a node dev on jobs
[12:35] stutter_: what is the best way to extend the EventEmitter class, and still have protected vars and methods? I can't find an example that does both
[12:35] stride: ah
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[12:36] stutter_: i can find tons of examples on extending the EventEmitter, and tons of examples of having private methods, but not both
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[12:36] Epeli: How can I render raw Jade in Jade?
[12:36] Epeli: I want to use Jade in browser also
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[12:38] Epeli: prefixing with | seem to work, but aren't there a more convenient way?
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[12:40] Epeli: hmm, a dot  should do it, but it doesn't seem to work with script(type="text/x-jade-template")
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[12:41] jheusala: bnoordhuis: we changed those bots to go to irc.kapsi.fi #node.js now.
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[12:41] jheusala: I had to change /etc/hosts chat.freenode.net :-)
[12:41] WickedSik: Hey
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[12:41] WickedSik: Anyone have an idea how to help me on an install of Node.JS on Centos 5?
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[12:42] WickedSik: I just did a clone from github (latest stable), and tried ./configure, and it just crashed on me
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[12:42] WickedSik: gave me an invalid syntax error...
[12:43] jheusala: hah, I said bots. Those were not bots -- just our website users. You have brainwashed me. :-)
[12:43] Sembiance: WickedSik: weird :)
[12:43] tuhoojabotti: jheusala: Most of them were just bots that kept pongin' for teh pingin'. :P
[12:44] jheusala: tuhoojabotti: that's the same what irssi does when you run it in screen.
[12:44] WickedSik: Sembiance: Yeah... I have no idea why...
[12:44] tuhoojabotti: Yes.
[12:44] Sembiance: WickedSik: what exactly did you clone, which URL or branch? I'll the same here to see if it fails here too or not
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[12:44] WickedSik: > git clone git://github.com/joyent/node.git
[12:44] jheusala: Our "bots" could only do two things. Sit and talk. For some reason most users didn't do the first and we didn't implement "quit".:-P
[12:45] tuhoojabotti: nor nick change
[12:45] jheusala: nick change was because icecapd documentation was wrong
[12:47] WickedSik: Sembiance: how's it going?
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[12:49] stride: WickedSik: seems to be a problem with master, try a stable revision
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[12:49] stride: (at least I'm getting that syntax error as well on a centos 5 box)
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[12:50] WickedSik: how do I get the stable?
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[12:53] Raynos: What is a good library to print pretty colours to the console?
[12:54] irahgel: @WickedSik: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Installation
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[12:55] WickedSik: irahgel: I believe I did exactly that git clone
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[12:57] WickedSik: irahgel: the --depth 1 added didn't help
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[12:57] kylejginavan: Great opportunity for someone.  http://jobs.github.com/positions/13de9a16-cfec-11e0-9755-5e6a53e6761b
[12:58] WickedSik: Ah, the git export did the job
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[13:07] nahime: Raynos, https://github.com/davglass/nodejs-termcolors
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[13:08] Raynos: nahime: I'll try that
[13:08] nahime: Raynos, This is a screenshot: http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7644/termcolors.png
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[13:10] Raynos: nahime: that module is not on npm :\
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[13:13] nahime: Raynos, in npm repo there's another module named "cli-color"
[13:14] nahime: Raynos, The link to github: https://github.com/medikoo/cli-color
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[13:18] CIA-69: node: 03AJ ONeal 07master * r8039086 10/ doc/api/querystring.markdown : docs: document querystring behavior for arrays and unassigned parameters - http://git.io/AUjEvw
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[13:50] kerneis: hi
[13:50] VeXii: hello
[13:50] kerneis: I cannot find bindings to setgroups, initgroups or even getpwnam in nodejs' API
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[13:51] kerneis: how are you supposed to drop root privileges safely?
[13:51] kerneis: (I know this is not portable, but setuid and setgid are already there, so...)
[13:52] H4ns: kerneis: you could consider that it is just not possible.  just a thought.
[13:53] kerneis: yeah, this is what I believe currently, but I just cannot understand that no one ever wanted to drop privileges in a node.js program
[13:53] kerneis: I mean, people have been writing servers in node.js for at least a year, now
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[13:53] kerneis: do they all run as root?
[13:53] H4ns: kerneis: come up with a patch that adds the functionality that you require.
[13:53] kerneis: or on unpriviledged ports
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[13:54] lukegalea: kerneis: I use authbind
[13:54] lukegalea: so that I can allow a privileged port to run as a non-priviledged user.
[13:54] kerneis: lukegalea: I don't know that, will check it out
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[13:54] lukegalea: What distro are you using?
[13:54] kerneis: thanks
[13:54] kerneis: debian
[13:55] lukegalea: ya, that should be good. I have had 0 success with red hat  & authbind.. but debian-esque distros work great with it.
[13:55] Aikar: kerneis: is setuid/setgid not enough?
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[13:55] kerneis: Aikar: no, you have supplementary groups
[13:56] lukegalea: kerneis: One more hint :) If you are using something like cluster, etc - you need to use authbind --deep, so that all spawned processes have the ability to use privileged ports as well.
[13:56] kerneis: and you also want to guess the setgid identifier from the username
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[13:56] kerneis: which requires getpwnam
[13:57] jheusala: npm drops priviledged
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[13:58] jheusala: uh my mobile bit isn't working
[13:58] Aikar: kerneis: so your saying an app that calls setuid/setgid will still have some root access?
[13:59] kerneis: Aikar: it could
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[13:59] kerneis: if it is in the root group
[14:00] kerneis: man getgroups
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[14:04] Aikar: kerneis: i see what you mean, i g+r'd /root, then setgid(1000) setuid(1000) and was still able to read /root
[14:04] kerneis: yeah
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[14:05] kerneis: initgroups is the way to go on modern systems
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[14:09] kerneis: lukegalea: "authbind currently only supports IPv4 sockets."
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[14:09] kerneis: welcome to 2011 :-)
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[14:11] eldios: lulz
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[14:12] kerneis: https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/1509 I am obviously not the only one annoyed
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[14:13] jro_: hi all
[14:13] otaku_coder: hi, I'm trying to use the twitter streaming api to push out tweets via socket.io, but can't get it to work. Using the twitterNode module
[14:13] hunghuynh: hi all
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[14:14] otaku_coder: I can pull in streaming tweets fine, but cant get it to emit an event to push out via socket.io
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[14:15] hunghuynh: hi all
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[14:15] hunghuynh: hi all
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[14:17] hunghuynh: ls
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[14:18] garrensmith: otaku_coder: can you give us a gist or something to see what the issue is
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[14:19] jro_: :)
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[14:21] jro_: hi all
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[14:21] jro_: I have question
[14:21] jro_: node.js & php
[14:21] jro_: diferent ?
[14:21] vicapow: how can i render a partial inside a view?
[14:22] jro_: :(
[14:22] jro_: who can talk me know :)
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[14:22] eldios: vicapow, 
[14:22] eldios: https://github.com/visionmedia/jade
[14:22] eldios: look at partial examples
[14:22] vicapow: eldios: I am
[14:23] vicapow: eldios: I can't figure it out
[14:23] eldios:  how do I pass locals to a javascript inside the jade file?
[14:23] otaku_coder: garrensmith: sure, https://gist.github.com/1181006
[14:23] eldios: vicapow, try to recreate the examples first
[14:23] eldios: then pass to your custom one
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[14:23] eldios: you ned one or two gotchas before you can actually make one =)
[14:23] garrensmith: jro_: what really is your question? 
[14:24] garrensmith: otaku_coder: is the tweet event firing?
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[14:24] jro_: garrensmith: because I don't know node.js of future +.+
[14:25] H4ns: jro_: http://nodebeginner.org/
[14:25] garrensmith: jro_: have you tried nodejs
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[14:26] otaku_coder: garrensmith: yes it is, tweet stream works fine, problem is sending that tweet object    via socket.io
[14:26] garrensmith: otaku_coder: can u send a normal message to a client? if you socket.send("hello") what happens
[14:28] jro_: oh, I'm trying it :)
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[14:28] otaku_coder: garrensmith: nope. And that is the problem. So the custom listener on socket works, but I can't to socket.broadcast because the socket obj doesnt exist. It's normally called within a 'sockets.on('connection', function(socket){ block
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[14:29] garrensmith: otaku_coder: I havn't used socket.io in a while but obviously you haven't set it up correctly 
[14:30] otaku_coder: garrensmith: if i configure it in a normal block as per the docs it works fine, but I cant get it to respond to events generated by twitter-node
[14:30] otaku_coder: garrensmith: it being socket.io, sorry!
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[14:31] pjacobs: otaku_coder, do you have code to look at?
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[14:32] otaku_coder: pjacobs: here https://gist.github.com/1181006
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[14:36] pjacobs: otaku_coder, which line is failing for you?
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[14:38] otaku_coder: pjacobs: the problem is line 26. Trying to broadcast the tweet data to all connected sockets
[14:40] H4ns: otaku_coder: just guessing: is client.sockets an array maybe?
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[14:44] otaku_coder: H4ns: might be, hadn't thought of that. The thing thats confusing me is in the docs - http://socket.io/#how-to-use all socket functionality is done within the io.sockets.on(). I've tried putting my custom event within that block but it doesnt work, hence why i did socket.addListener
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[14:49] pjacobs: otaku_coder, have you tried socket.sockets.broadcast.emit('', {}) ? On you line 34, no need for custom event
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[14:50] hunghuynh: hi all
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[14:52] otaku_coder: pjacobs: I think I did, but I'll try it again
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[14:54] pjacobs: otaku_coder, I'd also go ahead an define on('connection', .. even just for debugging
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[14:59] explodes: Yesterday I was told that datejs can transform a date between timezones. I don't see this functionality. Also, I cannot get it to work.
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[15:00] maushu: I've been checking out the node.js file... crazy.
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[15:01] chjj: maushu: crazy?
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[15:01] maushu: Yes, the NativeModule thingy.
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[15:02] chjj: explodes: i think its kind of hard, dates are all stored internally as gmt unix time, and there is no setTimezoneOffset, so that means in order to render a date as a different timezone you actually need to change the internal timestamp
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[15:02] chjj: which complicates things a lot
[15:02] explodes: chjj: Yes, that is the idea
[15:02] explodes: Timezones are hard
[15:02] chjj: i think i tried writing something for it a while ago, but it wasnt worth
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[15:02] godzirra: GOod morning folks!
[15:03] chjj: maushu: what do you mean? :)
[15:03] chjj: worth it*
[15:03] explodes: What with DST and timezones with fractional offsets every 4/6 years...
[15:03] chjj: more work than it was worth
[15:03] chjj: more code than it was worth imo =/
[15:04] Glenjamin: it's probably worth porting a proper date lib from some other language
[15:04] Glenjamin: since JS's code Date object is rather lacking
[15:04] chjj: what you could do is add maybe a Date.prototype.toTimezone which would create a new date object with the proper timestamp
[15:04] chjj: it would have to examine the current offset and then calculate the offset you want
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[15:05] chjj: yeah i never liked the Date object
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[15:05] godzirra: I'm new to node js.  (Very new in fact).  Can anyone tell me why the res.end line is throwing an error, and as an aside, if that's the normal way errors look in node.js?  http://pastie.org/2454780
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[15:05] tanepiper: ECMA need to realise that Date is just rubbish and needs fixed at some point
[15:06] tanepiper: maybe with some Date.js stuff
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[15:06] Glenjamin: you can't really change it, and extending it isnt enough
[15:06] H4ns: godzirra: you did not close the opening paren for readFile
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[15:06] godzirra: Doh.  Stupid error, thank you.  
[15:07] godzirra: Although that still doesn't display the html files in the same directory as the .js file.  Oh well..  Next error.  Thanks. :)
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[15:08] tanepiper: maybe we need to bite the bullet and go for a native Date2 object ;)
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[15:10] fairwinds: hi. anyone with experience with using closure on a node project. Is it possible to get everything including node_modules dependencies compiled into a single source file?
[15:10] Glenjamin: why would you want that?
[15:11] fairwinds: Glenjamin: am embedding it
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[15:11] otaku_coder: pjacobs: that didn't work - cannot call method 'emit' of undefined
[15:11] hunghuynh: :)
[15:12] Glenjamin: fairwinds: might be worth trying to find out how node itself embeds the core libs then
[15:12] incredimike: I'm using formidible for multipart file uploads. Am i wrong in thinking that the files should be concatinated together when the upload is done?
[15:12] pjacobs: otaku_coder, what version of socket.io are you on?
[15:12] incredimike: I would have expected the lib to do it for me
[15:13] H4ns: incredimike: it does.
[15:13] tanepiper: oh hey otaku_coder 
[15:13] H4ns: incredimike: well, at least if i understand you correctly :)
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[15:14] incredimike: ;]
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[15:14] incredimike: I'm uploading 1mb chunks of large files (say 3mb+), but they never get joined together
[15:14] otaku_coder: tanepiper: hey! hope you enjoyed nodeknockout, looked epic
[15:15] H4ns: incredimike: how would formidable know that you want them joined?
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[15:15] tanepiper: otaku_coder: couldn't in the end, working on a freelance project - one of the other devs dropped out so i had to pick up and work this weekend
[15:15] incredimike: well, it knows it's a multipart upload
[15:15] otaku_coder: pjacobs: latest stable
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[15:15] H4ns: incredimike: erm, how exactly are you uploading the chunks?
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[15:15] chjj: incredimike: multipart is just a format, each field is a "part"
[15:15] eldios: how do I pass locals to a javascript script element inside a jade file?
[15:16] otaku_coder: tanepiper: shame, some really cool projects came out of it. I couldn't take part either
[15:16] tanepiper: my weekend did consist of writing stuff in coffeescript, using backbone + underscore + jquery mobile
[15:16] incredimike: H4ns: HTML5 form upload thinggy.. one like all the others
[15:16] tanepiper: so it was still all good :D
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[15:16] H4ns: incredimike: and you upload several individual files?
[15:16] otaku_coder: pjacobs: v0.8.2
[15:17] incredimike: no, one large file
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[15:17] incredimike: like a 3mb jpeg, for instance
[15:17] chjj: incredimike: well, you should get one large file on the other side then
[15:17] incredimike: I do not :(
[15:17] H4ns: incredimike: what do you see when you use form.parse, one upload or more than one?
[15:17] chjj: what do you get?
[15:17] godzirra: Woot!  got it working.
[15:17] incredimike: one sec
[15:18] H4ns: incredimike: look at https://github.com/hanshuebner/node-superupload/blob/master/server.js#L128 for code that handles uploads (and progress reporting, for that matter)
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[15:24] chjj: incredimike: https://github.com/chjj/parted - my multipart parser if youre interested ;)
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[15:24] chjj: its not as battle-tested as formidable, but i did write some pretty thorough tests
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[15:24] incredimike: I'm down if it works!
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[15:26] incredimike: sorry for the wait btw, I was trying to paste a well-formatted example.
[15:26] otaku_coder: pjacobs: Think I've got it working, the magic incantation was io.sockets.emit rather than io.sockets.broadcast.emit
[15:26] incredimike: chjj: I will this this puppy out
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[15:27] incredimike: also ty H4ns 
[15:28] pjacobs: otaku_coder, ah, good stuff. Glad you got it
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[15:28] explodes: Oh my god, I need to make a date in a certain time zone, what do i do
[15:29] otaku_coder: pjacobs: thanks :)
[15:29] chjj: incredimike: hang on, let me update the npm version real quick
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[15:29] incredimike: even easier
[15:29] chjj: incredimike: k, should be good now
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[15:30] incredimike: coo
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[15:32] incredimike: ok so this still leaves me to concatinate all the separate parts?
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[15:33] H4ns: incredimike: what parts are you talking about?
[15:33] H4ns: incredimike: if you upload one file, it will end up as one file on the server.
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[15:35] incredimike: H4ns: it does not end up as 1 file. that's the problem
[15:35] incredimike: I end up with 1mb chunks
[15:35] H4ns: incredimike: then you're doing something wrong.  did you look at the code that i refered you to?  is your program doing the same thing?
[15:36] incredimike: well I'm obviously doing something wrong ;)
[15:36] incredimike: just trying to figure out what
[15:36] incredimike: this code: https://github.com/hanshuebner/node-superupload/blob/master/server.js ?
[15:36] H4ns: incredimike: right.  that works.
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[15:37] allin: I think that https://github.com/rootslab/formaline is the best approach for uploading files
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[15:37] allin: node.superupload uses formidable
[15:37] incredimike: well I will implement it verbatim and see what's up
[15:38] H4ns: allin: right.  i just chose formidable because it was commonly used and did the job for me.
[15:38] incredimike: yea, that's why i would like to use formidible
[15:38] incredimike: not a fan of reinventing teh wheel
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[15:39] jesusabdullah: eldios: No, not on g+
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[15:40] eldios: saw from your site =)
[15:40] chjj: incredimike: my module is doing the same thing as formidable?
[15:41] chjj: incredimike: something might be wrong on your end then, if two separate parsers are giving you the wrong result
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[15:44] incredimike: chjj: no, I hadn't implemented your module. I wasn't sure what "type" should have been.
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[15:47] mannymanny: Thanks allin
[15:47] mannymanny: formaline is great, are you from europe?
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[15:47] mannymanny: ..
[15:47] chjj: incredimike: it comes with a prepackaged middleware
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[15:47] chjj: incredimike: "type" is the content-type header, but that doesnt matter, you can use the included middleware by doing..
[15:48] chjj: incredimike: app.use(parted.middleware({path:__dirname + '/uploads'}));
[15:48] chjj: it will give you a "body" object on the request, just like express does
[15:48] chjj: for files it will give you a temporary path to the file
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[15:49] chjj: so you can do whatever you want with it
[15:49] chjj: by default, the upload directory is /tmp unless you specify it there
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[15:49] mannymanny: HI chjj why using parted instead of connect-form - formidable or formaline?
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[15:49] mannymanny: can you explain me a little?
[15:49] chjj: mannymanny: its just the multipart parser i wrote, im not trying to compete with formidable
[15:50] tjholowaychuk: the only downside to doing that before hitting a route is that you might want to bail on the upload after some logic in the route
[15:50] tjholowaychuk: too large or the user isnt authorized etc
[15:50] sneakyness: I'm not trying to sound bitter, but are there any -complete- node.js tutorials? I've followed at least 5 different multi-part todo examples, and none of them are finished 
[15:50] mannymanny: I ask only why is better!
[15:50] tjholowaychuk: chjj should send me a link though! or add it to the connect wiki
[15:50] chjj: tjholowaychuk: you can create a parser object yourself, and bind to events
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[15:51] chjj: i should probably make a limit option, yeah
[15:51] chjj: sure, ill add it to the wiki
[15:51] tjholowaychuk: i have a limit() middleware
[15:51] tjholowaychuk: it's not perfect yet
[15:51] tjholowaychuk: but it should work fine
[15:52] chjj: yeah, i know, im not sure if i want to make some kind of specific limit option just for this parser, or allow people to limit it with the connect middleware
[15:52] tjholowaychuk: pretty much the same thing
[15:52] H4ns: sneakyness: did you look at http://nodebeginner.org ?
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[15:53] tjholowaychuk: i just found when i paused the request watcher i couldnt respond
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[15:53] CIA-69: node: Fixes #1610 Remove DigiNotar CA from trusted list
[15:53] CIA-69: node: Details:
[15:53] CIA-69: node: https://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/attackers-obtain-valid-cert-google-domains-mozilla-moves-revoke-it-082911
[15:53] CIA-69: node: http://www.coriolis-systems.com/blog/2011/08/diginotar-certificate-security.php - http://git.io/ttzxXw
[15:53] eldios: tjholowaychuk, how do I pass locals to a javascript script element inside a jade file?
[15:53] tjholowaychuk: but if you respond with 413
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[15:53] tjholowaychuk: then all the "data" events still hit you
[15:53] CIA-69: node: 03isaacs 07v0.4 * ref27d56 10/ src/node_root_certs.h : 
[15:53] CIA-69: node: Fixes #1610 Remove DigiNotar CA from trusted list
[15:53] CIA-69: node: Details:
[15:53] CIA-69: node: https://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/attackers-obtain-valid-cert-google-domains-mozilla-moves-revoke-it-082911
[15:53] CIA-69: node: http://www.coriolis-systems.com/blog/2011/08/diginotar-certificate-security.php - http://git.io/sB9N1Q
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[15:53] tjholowaychuk: eldios: script\n  var foo = !{JSON.stringify(obj)}
[15:53] incredimike: chjj: how would I access the parted data in the request?
[15:54] tjholowaychuk: eldios look at express-expose
[15:54] chjj: incredimike: its on the request object, `req.body`, just like in connect/express
[15:54] eldios: thanks tjholowaychuk 
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[15:54] chjj: incredimike: if the field was a file, it will be a path to the uploaded file
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[15:56] slaskis: tjholowaychuk: express-expose was magic, used it on our nko entry. only problem was when i tried to use things with eventemitters since it's a c++ addon :/
[15:56] tjholowaychuk: huh
[15:56] tjholowaychuk: it's not c++
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[15:56] mrdoodles: I've modularized all of my work into a nice neat mvc structure inside of express. one thing I'm wondering about is a cleaner way to reference the app.'s scripts PWD from my module? right now i have the fugly looking (I'm a stickler for "is there a less character method") : fs.readdir(__dirname + "/../../../controllers" 
[15:57] mrdoodles: that's within my module.
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[15:57] aron_: Has anyone come across any issues with Function .bind() in v8?
[15:57] tjholowaychuk: mrdoodles you could do __root = __dirname or something
[15:57] slaskis: tjholowaychuk: not since 0.5.3 but in 0.4.x
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[15:57] tjholowaychuk: or app.set('root', __dirname') etc
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[15:57] tjholowaychuk: slaskis i dont get it
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[15:57] chjj: incredimike: you do have a limit option for the middleware by the way, you can do parted.middleware({limit:x}), with the size in bytes
[15:58] tjholowaychuk: express-expose just adds a string to an object
[15:58] aron_: It seems to be changing the .length properties of all previously bound functions
[15:58] tjholowaychuk: and adds it as a local
[15:58] tjholowaychuk: that's it
[15:58] slaskis: $ node
[15:58] slaskis: > require('events').EventEmitter.toString()
[15:58] aron_: eg. https://gist.github.com/afb829f0c18c03a7bb9e, any ideas?
[15:58] slaskis: 'function EventEmitter() { [native code] }'
[15:58] tjholowaychuk: oh, you were trying to expose an event emitter?
[15:58] tjholowaychuk: it's not really meant for anyyyyyyy node object
[15:58] tjholowaychuk: the only thing it gives you above json is Date objects and Functions
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[15:59] incredimike: well I'm going to have to assume that the problem is related to this silly ajax script I'm using
[15:59] slaskis: haha, yeah well i just used eventemitter2 and it worked great :P
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[15:59] tjholowaychuk: haha
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[15:59] chjj: incredimike: it might be, if both my module and formidable are giving you the same problem
[15:59] incredimike: because a basic file upload form field worked perfectly
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[16:00] mrdoodles: thanks tjholowaychuk. since I've only been and plan on working in node for the near future, what is the plan for 5.x becoming stable/adopted?
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[16:00] tjholowaychuk: mrdoodles when it becomes 0.6.0 then it'll be stable :p
[16:00] incredimike: shouldn't have expected any different. What kind of name is "plupload" anyway? :P
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[16:00] mrdoodles: hah ok
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[16:02] incredimike: chjj: how would your module feel about 1GB file uploads?
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[16:03] chjj: incredimike: performance-wise?
[16:03] incredimike: maybe generally.
[16:03] chjj: incredimike: it can obviously handle 1gb uploads, although i havent benchmarked it
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[16:04] incredimike: I don't expect many concurrent massive uploads
[16:04] chjj: formidable might be faster, im not sure, i havent benchmarked them against each other
[16:04] incredimike: ok sweet deal
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[16:04] incredimike: I might do that
[16:05] tjholowaychuk: i wish formidable didnt crash on preambles
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[16:05] tjholowaychuk: hope that patch gets in
[16:05] chjj: ouch, i didnt know it did that
[16:05] Draggor: any idea when node v0.5.x goes stable?
[16:05] chjj: mine explicitly ignores the preamble and epilogue, maybe i should pass them in as events ;p
[16:05] incredimike: but sadly I have to stop writing this code for now.. and write code that pays the bills
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[16:05] tjholowaychuk: even with CRLF--boundaryCRLF like you're supposed to it cant handle the initial CRLF
[16:05] tjholowaychuk: yeah mine ignores too
[16:06] incredimike: chjj, H4ns, etc. thanks for your help :]
[16:06] chjj: incredimike: sure
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[16:07] sneakyness: it's like, oh look, I think I finally found a useful node guide! "IMPORTANT: This guide is not ready to yet, please go away." oh :C
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[16:08] sneakyness: also fab makes me feel funny inside
[16:08] vicapow: is there a way to auto increment a field using mongoose and mongodb?
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[16:24] marksoper: vicapow, you can auto increment a field using findAndModify as described here: http://groups.google.com/group/mongoose-orm/tree/browse_frm/month/2011-06?_done=%2Fgroup%2Fmongoose-orm%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fmonth%2F2011-06%3F&
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[16:27] maushu: So, no mixin.
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[16:32] sneakyness: oh my god I cannot win
[16:32] robinduckett: ?
[16:32] sneakyness: I thought I had hit the jackpot 
[16:32] sneakyness: alas, scroll to the bottom http://visionmedia.github.com/masteringnode/book.html
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[16:33] robinduckett: sneakyness: why don't you just read the node.js api?
[16:33] robinduckett: it's complete
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[16:33] AphelionZ: hey all, I'm working with connect and I'm trying to access the connect.sid cookie from the front end but it's not included in document.cookie even though firefox shows the cookie as present in the preferences and the app is behaving as expected. What am I doing wrong?
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[16:34] Aikar: AphelionZ: HTTP-Only cookie likely
[16:34] AphelionZ: ok hang on
[16:34] Aikar: blocks the ability to read the cookie from javascript
[16:34] tjholowaychuk: Aikar httpOnly: true
[16:34] tjholowaychuk: sorry AphelionZ ^
[16:34] tjholowaychuk: you have to pass an option
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[16:35] tjholowaychuk: to the session() middleware or you can do it per req.session.cookie
[16:35] hornairs: nvm vs nave vs n?
[16:35] Aikar: hornairs: neither, keep all your apps up to date on latest stable :P
[16:35] hornairs: Aikar har har har, for testing silly
[16:35] sneakyness: robinduckett: I've scrolled through it, that's great and everything, but I'm looking for complete examples of the bigger picture. 
[16:35] AphelionZ: tjholowaychuk: its probably better that I don't expose that data to the client, yeha?
[16:35] AphelionZ: yeah*
[16:35] robinduckett: sneakyness: what do you mean?
[16:35] tjholowaychuk: yeah
[16:36] hornairs: tjholowaychuk what made you write n in the presence of nave and nvm?
[16:36] sneakyness: a list of functions does not an example make
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[16:37] tjholowaychuk: hornairs no config, looks a bit better, easier to use IMO
[16:37] hornairs: tjholowaychuk cool thanks
[16:38] robinduckett: sneakyness: what are you trying to build?
[16:38] sneakyness: all the things.
[16:38] robinduckett: you're not going to find a generalised node tutorial for dummies
[16:39] robinduckett: a list of functions is all we got
[16:39] robinduckett: take them, or leave them
[16:39] sneakyness: in all seriousness though, all of the web application examples I've found come with the disclaimer "this is a hack don't do shit like this" or they aren't complete 
[16:39] AphelionZ: lol time to refactor… again
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[16:39] AphelionZ: my socket code doesn't have access to my req
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[16:40] robinduckett: sneakyness: in all seriousness, trying to find the defacto way to do things in node is stupid, because the api is constantly changing and new libraries and projects come out daily
[16:40] robinduckett: the best way to do something today, WILL be the worst way to do something next week.
[16:40] smathy: sneakyness… search github for: createServer listen
[16:40] robinduckett: i would not use node.js in production right now.
[16:40] robinduckett: but i do
[16:40] robinduckett: because i'm cool
[16:40] robinduckett: are you cool?
[16:41] sneakyness: robinduckett: coming from almost 4 years of nonstop objectivec, this is… extremely uncomfortable
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[16:41] chjj: sneakyness: what is uncomfortable exactly?
[16:41] sneakyness: I did js before that, back when jquery was the new hotness and javascript was for all the cool kids
[16:42] robinduckett: sneakyness: node is like the new girlfriend, you think you know her, until one day she comes back all smelly and covered in jizz from her bi-annual bukkake conference
[16:42] sneakyness: I'd be more pissed that I wasn't invited tbh
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[16:42] robinduckett: she then shaves half her hair
[16:42] robinduckett: because it's spontaneous
[16:42] chjj: if your only experience with js prior to this was with js, its no wonder youre not fond of js ;)
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[16:42] chjj: was with jquery*
[16:42] sneakyness: lol oh jeese no do not make that assumption 
[16:43] chjj: ;p
[16:43] sneakyness: I just use that as a frame of reference to when I wrote it
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[16:43] sneakyness: because I think it was a pretty big time for javascript 
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[16:44] sneakyness: but anyways, I guess I've confirmed my fear that I'm just going to have to just make it up as I go :\
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[17:03] Fabryz: anyone can link a decent/recent tutorial for Mongoose?
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[17:12] mecablaze: Has any here used the "yaml" package off npm?
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[17:13] godzirra: Hey guys.  I'm using express and I turned on the logger but for some reason its not logging on fedora.  On my mac it logged just fine.  Same code...
[17:13] mecablaze: The reason I ask is it doesn't seem to like indentation of 4 spaces instead of 2 spaces (which is left undefined by the YAML spec, I believe)
[17:13] godzirra: My code is here:  http://pastie.org/2455374  if that helps.
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[17:14] tjholowaychuk: godzirra add app.use() before the app.get()
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[17:14] tjholowaychuk: godzirra the first call to app.get() etc adds the router
[17:14] tjholowaychuk: which is middleware itself
[17:14] godzirra: Oh.  Huh.  
[17:14] godzirra: I wonder why it worked on the mac.
[17:14] tjholowaychuk: ps #express
[17:14] cce: mecablaze: YAML takes any level of indentation, provided it's done by spaces (not tabs)
[17:14] tjholowaychuk: no clue
[17:14] tjholowaychuk: haha
[17:14] tjholowaychuk: it shouldnt have
[17:14] godzirra: That did it.
[17:15] godzirra: MAybe I just screwed it up at some point on one side or the other . Oh well, it works now. : )  thank you
[17:15] tjholowaychuk: np
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[17:16] godzirra: Now if I could only get my nodejitsu invitation I'll be set. :)
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[17:16] mecablaze: cce, i agree. the yaml module only likes 2-space indentation
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[17:16] tjholowaychuk: mecablaze it's not even remotely a full yaml implementation
[17:17] tjholowaychuk: that's the problem :p
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[17:17] blueadept: tj: so when you going to convert all your code to coffeescript?
[17:17] mecablaze: tjholowaychuk, I see. that's good to know.
[17:18] tjholowaychuk: blueadept when js becomes a failure by being super trendy and looks like cs
[17:18] blueadept: jk
[17:18] tjholowaychuk: sometime around then
[17:18] blueadept: haha
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[17:35] blax: hi, does anybody know whether I could use ssl certificate and key concatenated in one file?
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[17:38] hoodoos: hello guys, is there any lib that allow to use something like threads in .net or erlang? i can always start a whole separate node process but I guess it's a huge overhead. maybe there's some lighter paragigm implemented
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[17:39] adnam: hoodoos: node runs on a single thread only
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[17:39] ryah: hoodoos: why do you want that
[17:39] jerrysv: hoodoos: what are you trying to do?
[17:39] jerrysv: what problem are you trying to solve?
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[17:40] hoodoos: ehm, i'm trying to separate some logics to some kind thing that will not crash whole application if it dies
[17:41] hoodoos: or protect it from application crash :)
[17:41] hoodoos: ryah, when I began to program our project with node.js i was so consumed by it's non-blocking nature
[17:42] hoodoos: but then enligntment came that if one worker dies all clients on it die too
[17:42] hoodoos: so i decided to ask maybe there's some workaround or ways to solve this issue of mine
[17:43] pjacobs: so, how does a mongo regex query work in mongoojs? I'm trying .find({ actor : '/^'+name+'/' }).execFind(fn); No luck...
[17:43] Dmitrijus: hoodoos: so, just start the other node process (but then of course, you will have to deal with the ipc)
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[17:43] jerrysv: hoodoos: try/catch? (naive approach)
[17:44] Fabryz: damn I hate when the webchat freezes
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[17:44] hoodoos: Dmitrijus, yes, I'm thinking about it..
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[17:45] Dmitrijus: hoodoos: and it would be far more better than using threads, because threads just screw everything up
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[17:46] tjholowaychuk: how heavy are the v8 isolates?
[17:46] hoodoos: hoodoos, well, yeah. I was looking into erlang. but it's pain to write something related to business with it =)
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[17:46] hoodoos: btw, our project is 100% node.js coded :)
[17:46] Dmitrijus: hoodoos: i (well, "we") actually wrote some buisiness process management stuff with erlang
[17:47] Fabryz: so, I have a Player.js player class model that I want to share between the client and the server: how to do that? I tried with require, tried with module.exports but failed, any suggestion?
[17:47] Dmitrijus: hoodoos: and yeah, it is the suck, node.js is far more better :)
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[17:48] einaros: could someone running chrome 14/15 on linux do me four seconds worth of a favor?
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[17:48] zemanel: hi, anyone using jsmad?
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[17:49] hoodoos: Dmitrijus, thanks for suggestion. 
[17:49] Dmitrijus: hoodoos: and in the end, you still block on most .io in erlang :)
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[17:50] aron_: Sorry to mention this again but I'm running into an issue where the length property of functions created using .bind() are being updated globally each time .bind() is called. Anyone know if this is a known issue?
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[17:50] abustin: Can someone confirm that this assert is working correctly .....
[17:51] abustin: AssertionError: {"oncomplete":"function afterWrite(status, handle, req, buffer) {\n  var self = handle.socket;\n\n  // callback may come after c == {"oncomplete":"function afterWrite(status, handle, req, buffer) {\n  var self = handle.socket;\n\n  // callback may come after c
[17:51] abustin:     at Object.afterWrite [as oncomplete] (net_uv.js:414:10)
[17:51] abustin: brb
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[17:51] Creap: I'm using Express and EJS, but at one place I only want to "compile" an object using a template, should I use an Express partial or just an ejs.render() call?
[17:52] tjholowaychuk: Creap ejs.compile() if you want to compile
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[17:53] Creap: tjholowaychuk: which would then return the results of the template?
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[17:53] Creap: (ie HTML)
[17:53] tjholowaychuk: nope that returns the compile function
[17:53] Creap: I guess I used the wrong word then
[17:53] tjholowaychuk: ejs.compile(tmpl)(locals) => html
[17:53] Creap: ok
[17:53] Bonuspunk: http://i.imgur.com/g1apb.jpg
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[17:55] djazz: How do i implement the new WebSocket protocol with Node? FF and chrome says "disconnected" after sending the new handshake
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[17:56] context: djazz: use socket.io or faye or any websocket lib
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[17:56] djazz: context: it support the latest?
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[17:59] prettyrobots: Is there a way to write multiple headers of the same key in HTTP response?
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[18:00] franck34: what is your favorite npm module to display things at X,Y in a console with colors ? seem's there are so many, i can't choose ;)
[18:01] franck34: prettyrobots: why do you want to do that ? Cookies ?
[18:01] Sembiance: franck34: like ncurses?
[18:01] franck34: djazz: i suggest faye/bayeux module, i'm using it it's working like a charm and it's easy to use
[18:01] franck34: Sembiance: something like that yes
[18:02] franck34: node-ncurse ..
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[18:03] franck34: Sembiance: yep, that's it, thanks ;)
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[18:05] prettyrobots: franck34: I've been reading the spec, so I see that keys are supposed to be unique.
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[18:07] prettyrobots: franck34: And I see that you're supposed to comma separate them.
[18:07] prettyrobots: So, I figured it out. Java taught me some bad habits.
[18:07] prettyrobots: Sad.
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[18:07] djazz: context, franck34: http://pastebin.com/HXBqHqZD why it's not working?
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[18:08] abustin: so i'm poking around in net_uv.js
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[18:09] abustin: at the write method 
[18:10] abustin: it seems like ... writeReq.oncomplete = afterWrite; .. might be being called right away 
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[18:12] abustin: the afterWrite(..) is the method with the failing assert 
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[18:12] abustin: var req_ = self._writeRequests.shift();
[18:12] abustin:   assert.equal(req, req_);
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[18:16] abustin: is this only happening on Windows fyi
[18:17] abustin: also .. watchFile seems to be broken on Windows .. any know reasons?
[18:17] abustin: ( trying to deploy to all 3 major platforms )
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[18:19] Nuck: 
ACTION points to libuv

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[18:19] Nuck: Probably in there
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[18:20] djazz: Icontext, franck34: digging in Faye's code gives me the same code I use :P
[18:20] djazz: context*
[18:20] abustin: we're trying the precompiled node.exe .. might this be a cause? 
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[18:21] Sembiance: franck34: problem with node-ncurses is it's just a raw, direct binding to ncurses. So it exposes all the c-style names/methods/etc into node.js   I'd love to see a better API/coding style for creating console based apps with node.js
[18:21] Nuck: abustin: Do you know C?
[18:21] Sembiance: something that maybe uses ncurses underneath, but exposes a much nicer API
[18:21] Nuck: If so, check out the code for libuv :P
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[18:22] abustin: I know enough to get by 
[18:22] Aikar: Sembiance: both are important to have :P
[18:22] Aikar: some people would prefer a familiar interface to ncurses
[18:22] Aikar: but then others would prefer your suggestion
[18:22] Sembiance: Aikar: yes, you are correct. But are aware of any module that is a bit, higher level than node-ncurses?
[18:22] Sembiance: I'm only aware of node-ncurses...
[18:22] Nuck: I too would like a custom-built JS-based TUI module
[18:22] Aikar: nope, never used ncurses :P
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[18:23] Nuck: See if you can get SubStack to make it :P
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[18:23] Nuck: lol
[18:23] Sembiance: rofl! nuck!
[18:23] Sembiance: so true
[18:24] softdrink: here, clone this and make it better:  https://github.com/jocafa/node-term-ui   :)
[18:24] godzirra: Okay… so how do you serve up a static xml file from express? I'm doing it wrong apparently. :/
[18:24] softdrink: i haven't worked on it since november of last year apparently.
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[18:25] abustin: yeah I don't really have spare time to crawl libuv lol
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[18:25] Nuck: abustin: Heh, talk to somebody who works on libuv, like ryah or piscisaureus (I think)
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[18:27] softdrink: hrm… i really should work on this lib some more heh
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[18:27] CarterL: i have a question that's not specifically a node.js question...  How would one handle search for a site that uses multiple nosql databases?
[18:27] Aikar: so I saw Harmony proxies is being worked into V8 finally, anyone know if they are default on and in node .5.x now?
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[18:28] Nuck: abustin: If you poke them in the eye with a rolled-up piece of paper containing your question, they usually respond.
[18:29] sandropadin: anyone else notice that installing npm viar curl hangs?
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[18:30] Nuck: sandropadin: Yeah?  You and what platform?
[18:30] sandropadin: I've tried it on an Ubuntu 10.04 install
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[18:31] bnoordhuis: abustin: if you have a standalone test case, please file a bug report
[18:32] sandropadin: seems to work fine on OS X 10.5.8 (Old, I know)
[18:32] marlun: I'm trying to get stylus working with express. Is it supposed to compile the .styl files when I try to access a .css file from the client?
[18:32] tjholowaychuk: marlun when they have changed yeah
[18:32] tjholowaychuk: or if they have not yet been compiled
[18:32] abustin: im just serving files fs.createReadStream(file).pipe(res);
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[18:32] tjholowaychuk: marlun can i see your config?
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[18:33] abustin: with maybe 20 clients connections downloading ~500 files
[18:33] abustin: brb (meeting)
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[18:34] mrdoodles: hah bukakke
[18:35] Nuck: ...
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[18:35] Nuck: mrdoodles: I'm sorry, did you get jizz on your face?
[18:36] mrdoodles: hah, no. but i was reminiscing about a brief stint playing xbox live and my gamer tag "bukakkekid" being fine for about 2 weeks then being notified that it was suspended ..
[18:36] Nuck: Bahahahahah
[18:36] Nuck: EPIC
[18:37] Nuck: hmmm
[18:37] Nuck: debating getting a hostmasks
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[18:40] marlun: tjholowaychuk: Sure, don't think your are going to like it though... :P https://gist.github.com/1181652
[18:40] newy: our NKO entry :) http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2942649
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[18:40] tjholowaychuk: haha boom, moar coffee
[18:41] Nuck: tjholowaychuk: Explosive beverages?  WIN
[18:41] tjholowaychuk: marlun: you can just set src: if you want them to be the same
[18:41] tjholowaychuk: but
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[18:41] marlun: tjholowaychuk: thought so but I added it in my debugging :)
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[18:41] tjholowaychuk: marlun just do src: public_dir
[18:42] tjholowaychuk: GET /stylesheets/foo.css
[18:42] tjholowaychuk: will grab ./public/stylesheets/foo.styl
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[18:44] _sorensen_: newy: why facebook login?
[18:45] _sorensen_: i'll have to wait to test it out
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[18:45] _sorensen_: looks neat
[18:45] newy: _sorensen_: we though real names and avatars might be fun
[18:45] _sorensen_: heres ours: http://sponoders.nko2.nodeknockout.com/
[18:47] marlun: tjholowaychuk: hmmm must be doing something wrong because the log shows me '"GET /styles/main.css HTTP/1.1" 404' but I got a main.styl file in public/styles/main.styl
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[18:47] iFire: gah
[18:47] iFire: what's that tool where you can throttle the usage of any process
[18:47] iFire: it's cloud based
[18:47] iFire: I can't find it on google
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[18:48] iFire: if you have  bunch of node js
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[18:48] iFire: processes
[18:48] iFire: you can have priority
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[18:50] CoverSlide: that's managed by the kernel
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[18:51] CoverSlide: you can use renice as root
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[18:51] jellosea: when i'm making memcache calls using node, i'm seeing that each subsequent call has a greater latency
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[18:51] jellosea: i wiresharked the responses from memcache and it doesn't seem like the problem is with memcache,
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[18:52] jellosea: so node is slowing down the responses somehow - anybody has an idea why this is?
[18:52] iFire: CoverSlide no it's not kernel based
[18:52] iFire: they use something the slices the usuage 
[18:52] iFire: I just can't find the company
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[18:53] CoverSlide: well if it's a unix-based tool most likely it's just a frontend for nice / renice
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[18:54] marlun: tjholowaychuk: Had some old changes left, it's working now. thanks!
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[19:00] Glenjamin_: Hi guys, I have a recollection of a quote about JS which said something like "JavaScript is the only programming language where the majority of people writing it never learnt it"
[19:00] Glenjamin_: I'm trying to track down the exact quote and source, any ideas?
[19:01] Croms: Glenjamin: Crockford.
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[19:01] Glenjamin_: yup, thanks - just found it :)
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[19:05] iFire: GAH
[19:05] iFire: I can't find it
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[19:06] CIA-69: node: 03koichik 07master * r6f60683 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
[19:06] CIA-69: node: tls: x509 certificate subject parsing fail
[19:06] CIA-69: node: Fixes #1568. - http://git.io/TV-HfQ
[19:07] Glenjamin_: iFire: is that in reference to me?
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[19:09] iFire: Glenjamin_ basically I spent half an hour
[19:09] iFire: trying to find this small startup
[19:10] iFire: that gives you a service
[19:10] iFire: that can manage how the server uses jobs
[19:10] iFire: I remember a blog post
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[19:10] iFire: where they saw this process was using too much
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[19:10] iFire: so they slowed down the process and let it run over a longer priod of time
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[19:11] iFire: somehow
[19:11] iFire: without touching nice
[19:11] iFire: or doing cpu limits
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[19:19] Aikar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHy7DGLTt8g
[19:19] Aikar: err
[19:19] Aikar: wrong chan
[19:19] Aikar: but still you guys can have it too :P
[19:20] DrMcKay: Aikar: yeah, I wasn't planning to do any job today, anyway
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[19:21] malletjo: 10 hours of pure joy
[19:21] facorreia: hi. I'm looking for options on how to do integration testing on a node app that implements a RESTful, JSON api
[19:22] Aikar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI-kpVh6e1U
[19:22] facorreia: some way of sending requests to a running node app and check status codes and responses
[19:22] Aikar: a better 10 hours!
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[19:22] tjholowaychuk: facorreia just use node's http client
[19:23] tjholowaychuk: wrap it in a little helper
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[19:23] malletjo: if i want to run batch nodejs script through node-crontab .. the best way is with child_process ?
[19:23] facorreia: tjholowaychuk: ty, I'll look into it; would I run it from the same app/process or from a second node process?
[19:23] tjholowaychuk: facorreia same
[19:23] facorreia: tjholowaychuk: ty, I'll do some digging
[19:24] tjholowaychuk: facorreia expresso has assert.response() you might want to look at how that is implemented
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[19:25] facorreia: tylerstalder: ok I'll look into expresso, ty
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[19:28] Nuck: lel
[19:28] Nuck: I just set my iPhone on my quesadilla
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[19:29] Nuck: All I can say is "fuck yeah oleophobic"
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[19:34] garrensmith: if I want to save a model with mongoose, its just model.save(callback)?
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[19:38] Nuck: Wow, MrNko is unstable, huh?
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[19:41] mrdoodles: hey everyone, can someone lead me to a doc on possible stats i can get either with node in general or express on users, active users, server load etc? i.e., i saw this nice tidbit for memory somewhere on github, var memoryObj = process.memoryUsage();
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[19:41] mrdoodles: for example, how can i get active sessions, or any other server type data?
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[19:43] tjholowaychuk: mrdoodles sessions have a lastAccess property, but depending on the store it can be easy or difficult to use that to determine how many users are online
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[19:43] mrdoodles: ahh ok
[19:44] Nuck: I want an epic analytics platform for Node :D
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[19:44] Nuck: I expect my company will probably end up building that if we can't find one, TBH
[19:44] mrdoodles: tjholowaychuk: also i know i've said thank you before, but i've just been given an opportunity to lead a well funded startup and as the architect they even …. wait for it …. let me choose the design. so node/mongo.
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[19:44] mrdoodles: so thanks for all of the help dude.
[19:44] Nuck: Also, I need an algorithmic rate-limiter
[19:44] Nuck: Based on running averages
[19:45] tjholowaychuk: mrdoodles nice! good to hear
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[19:45] Nuck: mrdoodles: I'm starting a startup with the same architecture
[19:45] mrdoodles: Nuck: i've busted out everything into mapped controllers, drop in models with mongoose and views with ejs. the mapping stores analytics info
[19:45] mrdoodles: Nuck: awesome!
[19:45] Nuck: But we're using Mongo-native
[19:46] Nuck: Because Mongoose is just too heavyweight for me
[19:46] mrdoodles: ahh
[19:46] Nuck: All I want is SQL-esque queryable JSON
[19:46] Nuck: It's something I've wanted for years
[19:46] Nuck: And with Mongo, I get it :D
[19:47] Nuck: I once tried to build a query system for JSON
[19:47] mrdoodles: they know i've been working startups since bubble #2, hah - but on php and ruby. they know I've just been doing node for a month. I'm actually reading a mongo book now, tomorrow's my first day
[19:47] mrdoodles: exactly mongo just makes sense
[19:47] Nuck: But Mongo is obviously faster, using BSON
[19:47] Aikar: Nuck: i'm using mongoskin currently and its being ok. though the doc is pretty bad
[19:47] Nuck: It really does Just Make Sense(tm)
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[19:48] Aikar: mostly follows mongo shell style
[19:48] Nuck: Aikar: Well, mongo-native is well-documented and is like if the Mongo console were async
[19:48] Aikar: Nuck: yeah mongoskin is a futures layer onto of mongo-native
[19:48] Nuck: mrdoodles: I'm going all the way with my startup, hopefully.
[19:48] Nuck: Aikar: Futures?
[19:48] mrdoodles: i love mongo, and i love mongoose, but yeah the docs :/
[19:48] mrdoodles: Nuck: are you in NYC?
[19:49] Nuck: mrdoodles: Nah, I'm in the central valley in Cali
[19:49] Nuck: 100 miles from the bay
[19:49] blup: has anyone tried batman.js yet?
[19:49] Nuck: mrdoodles: I'm applying to Y Combinator in the next month or so
[19:49] mrdoodles: cool i was just there working on a project
[19:49] mrdoodles: ah cool
[19:49] mrdoodles: i built the front end (they had a backend guy already) of frid.ge
[19:49] Aikar: Nuck:  var db = mongoskin.db('localhost/mydb'); var myfoocollection = db.collection('foo'); myfoocollection.find().each(function() { });
[19:50] mrdoodles: sold to google recently y-combinator incubated
[19:50] Nuck: The moment I got the tweet from Paul Graham, I was at the College, hanging out, then I just said "Okay, I'm going home now, my chance is now!"
[19:50] Aikar: https://github.com/guileen/node-mongoskin
[19:50] mrdoodles: sick man
[19:51] Nuck: mrdoodles: We've got 4 guys: an epic SA in the Netherlands, a mobile dev in NZ, a community and "odd jobs" guy in Detroit area, and me in Modesto
[19:51] Nuck: I'm doing the majority of our backend
[19:51] Nuck: But the "odd jobs" guy is learning Node to help me
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[19:52] mrdoodles: word. i think y-c is still taking just 2-3 founders though …?
[19:52] Nuck: (he's awesome to bounce ideas off of, too, since he understands fucking everything)
[19:52] Nuck: mrdoodles: 2-5 IIRC
[19:52] mrdoodles: paul graham in "on startups" said the magic number is 2-3
[19:52] mrdoodles: ahhh
[19:52] Nuck: We have more than the idea
[19:52] Nuck: *ideal
[19:52] Nuck: But we each play a very important role
[19:52] Nuck: We're all pretty young, self-taught programmers
[19:52] Aikar: Nuck: its pretty much same mongodb-native but you dont nest callbacks as much. 
[19:53] Nuck: Except the SA
[19:53] Aikar: makes using it a ton more friendly
[19:53] Nuck: Aikar: Might look into it.  Is it fully compatible with the code I already have?
[19:53] Aikar: should be very close.. the main diff is you dont have to wrap your code in a callback
[19:54] Aikar: ie db.collection('foo', function(col) { col.find();     becomes var foo = db.collection('foo'); foo.find()
[19:54] Nuck: Our SA is a well-educated man, very dedicated to the art of Server Administration, and he's willing to host us for free :D
[19:54] Nuck: I just learned programming very young
[19:55] Nuck: So I've got some years under my belt
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[19:57] Nuck: 
ACTION should go back to work on this multipart/form-data parser

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[19:58] dscape: anyone knows everyauth?
[19:59] mrdoodles: dscape: i tried using it, failed. i just rolled my own with mongoose
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[20:00] dscape: mrdoodles: im guessing you wont be able to help much then ;)
[20:00] dscape: thanks anyway
[20:00] mrdoodles: hehe sorry!
[20:00] Nuck: everyauth is the thing for letting people log in with just about anything, right?
[20:00] Nuck: I think that's silly
[20:00] Nuck: And overkill, confusing consumers
[20:01] dscape: yeah, thanks for the input Nuck 
[20:01] Nuck: "WHICH BUTTON DO I CLICK D:"
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[20:01] dscape: send an email to the guys writing oauth saying it's stupid :P lol
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[20:01] dscape: included a lolcat
[20:03] CoverSlide: you know what's silly?
[20:03] CoverSlide: 5 million different passwords whenever you want to sign up for some service
[20:03] Nuck: lol
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[20:04] Nuck: I wish I could log everything in with my Google Account
[20:04] Nuck: Since that ain't hackable
[20:04] Nuck: It's fucking two-factor
[20:04] CoverSlide: nothing is unhackable
[20:04] Nuck: well yeah
[20:04] Nuck: But it's more secure than my Bank account
[20:05] csanz: dscape: tried it too...  it turns out that implementing auth with fb, github, twitter and fb is pretty simple... i spent more time figuring out how everyauth worked until I decided to do my own 
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[20:05] dscape: hey christian :D
[20:05] csanz: dscape: sup buddy :)
[20:05] dscape: yeah im trying to figure out how to pass the secret from the email
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[20:05] Nuck: I'm prolly gonna provide Twitter, Facebook, and Google buttons for registration
[20:05] dscape: and im like - soo much magic happening i dont even know where to put it :)
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[20:07] Nuck: Magic sucks
[20:07] Nuck: I hate magical APIs
[20:08] Nuck: All I want is something that does the bare minimum.  Express, Mongo-native, etc.
[20:09] Nuck: Also my parser, which will do the bare minimum :D
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[20:10] Nuck: I think people seem to forget that one of the design goals for Node was to avoid such "magical" things
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[20:11] tjholowaychuk: Nuck just wait for proxies
[20:11] tjholowaychuk: you'll be rolling in magical fun
[20:11] Nuck: Proxies?
[20:11] tbranyen: i'm gonna proxy one object to another and you won't even know what i'm doing
[20:11] Nuck: lol
[20:11] tbranyen: missing properties? no sweat, Math.random is waiting
[20:11] Nuck: lolwat
[20:11] CoverSlide: wtfproxies?
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[20:12] CoverSlide: proxies ~= pixies?
[20:12] CoverSlide: pixies are magical
[20:12] tbranyen: harmony proxies
[20:12] Nuck: node-proxy :P
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[20:12] mikey_p: 
ACTION waits for "yo dawg, i put a proxy in your proxy..."

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[20:13] Nuck: Yo dawg, I heard you like abstractions
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[20:15] Vicente: hi
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[20:15] Vicente: #node.js
[20:16] DTrejo: hi Vicente 
[20:16] tjholowaychuk: herrow
[20:16] Vicente: good nigth :)
[20:16] Vicente: I'm looking for creationix
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[20:17] Vicente: I read his blog posts at howtonode and I'd like that he recomends me a good javascript book to know how it works
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[20:17] Vicente: but your advices are apreciated too :)
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[20:18] smathy: Send him a message.  You know how to use IRC?
[20:19] Vicente: yes, thanks a lot
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[20:19] Vicente: he is online and I'm talking with him now 
[20:19] Vicente: thank you :)
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[20:22] AphelionZ: Is there something that's the equivalent of a document root in node? For example, if i run my index.js in /folder/, and it calls some stuff in /folder/node_modules, __dirname will reflect the deeper folders, when i want to find the path of the index.js
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[20:23] EyePulp: yo ho ho
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[20:25] AphelionZ: what I ended up doing was passing __dirname from my root index.js, which works fine
[20:25] AphelionZ: just wondering if there was another way to go about it
[20:26] CoverSlide: AphelionZ: __dirname is the directory of the current .js file. process.cwd() will get you the base dir for the application i.e. the script you ran from the command line
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[20:26] AphelionZ: ah, thank you!
[20:26] CoverSlide: there might be a better way, cant think of it at the top of my head
[20:27] AphelionZ: that seems perfectly adequate
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[20:29] qbert_: Hey all , need some design help for this project http://thecodebase.com:3001/?reportId=4e5d47cfd929e50557000002
[20:30] qbert_: The premise is inline ticketing, you make a comment and hash tag like, // Fix this soon #r1 ^4 
[20:30] qbert_: The script runs and spits out a url for you to hit
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[20:30] qbert_: I want to automagically keep track of there history, is using there IP address to invasive ?
[20:31] qbert_: I want users to not have to set anything up
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[20:32] qbert_: public key maybe ?
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[20:34] guidocalvano: is it possible to have a prototype C inherit from a prototype P without C.prototype = new P() ; ?
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[20:36] Ratty_: guidocalvano: Sure: C.prototype = Object.create(P.prototype)
[20:36] guidocalvano: tnx
[20:36] guidocalvano: way nicer
[20:36] mrdoodles: question on middleware and express. i have a nice setup i created for auth. i've now predefined my controllers with authorization levels. how can i intercept each call with my auth function first? so say app.get("/some/page", function(request, response) { … <- auth somewhere in there?
[20:36] Ratty_: May not work in <IE9
[20:36] Ratty_: Oh for Node it's cool :)
[20:37] guidocalvano: Ratty_: I will only support browsers, or things that run javascript (:
[20:37] garrensmith: mrdoodles: app.get("/some/page",my_auth_function, function() {}
[20:37] garrensmith: mrdoodles: call next() in my_auth_function and you good to go
[20:39] guidocalvano: which reminds me. I wonder how bad IE is doing (: let me check the browser usage statistics in great fondness
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[20:42] abustin: so it looks like missing "content-length" from the http response header was causing the assert fail at net_uv.js:414 (only windows)
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[20:45] abustin: and it only happens under heavy usage  (sticky refresh key)
[20:45] bnoordhuis: abustin: does it happen when you run ab against your server?
[20:46] abustin: i tried ab first .. it didn't lead to failure 
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[20:47] abustin: I have an "image gallery" type page .. i used the refresh key in the browser to get the failed assert 
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[20:48] abustin: i also have 304 responses .. so maybe empty body had something to do with it  
[20:50] bnoordhuis: abustin: not sure why that happens
[20:51] bnoordhuis: if you can distill a test case somehow, please post it on the issue tracker
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[20:53] abustin: it looks like the writes somehow get out of order 
[20:53] abustin: ssertionError: {"oncomplete":"function afterWrite(status, handle, req, buffer) {\n  var self = handle.socket;\n\n  // callback may come after c == {"oncomplete":"function afterWrite(status, handle, req, buffer) {\n  var self = handle.socket;\n\n  // callback may come after c
[20:53] abustin:     at Object.afterWrite [as oncomplete] (net_uv.js:414:10)
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[20:54] EyePulp: nice - osx lion eliminates g++.  let's go get 3+gig worth of Xcode to install! yay!
[20:54] abustin: there is some v.odd looking push shift code
[20:54] mrdoodles: i garrensmith awesome :P
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[20:54] bnoordhuis: abustin: have you tried it on linux or os x?
[20:55] Fabryz: how to do the default var stuff in javascript like in php? like function(id = -1, x = 0, y = 0) {
[20:55] franck34: Sembiance: perhaps more simple than ncurse ? :)
[20:55] abustin: works well on mac and linux
[20:55] bnoordhuis: Fabryz: function() id { id = id || -1
[20:55] bnoordhuis: abustin: okay
[20:55] franck34: any node module more simple than ncurse to handle screen console ?
[20:55] bnoordhuis: piscisaureus: ^ ideas? net_uv.js:414 - works on unices, asserts on windows
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[20:56] Fabryz: bnoordhuis worked, thanks
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[20:56] piscisaureus: bnoordhuis: never seen that. is there any code that shows the bug?
[20:57] bnoordhuis: abustin: ^
[20:57] bnoordhuis: 
ACTION steps aside

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[20:57] abustin: paste coming ..
[20:57] CoverSlide: `paste
[20:57] gbot2: Paste links, not code. Some sites you can use: | http://www.webdevout.net/test | http://erxz.com/pb/ | http://pastebin.parentnode.org/ | Please do not use pastebin.com, the reasons are many. See `pastebin.
[20:58] mrdoodles: garrensmith: i've got some sick crowd control going on now :P
[20:58] Nuck: `pastebin
[20:58] gbot2: Please do not use pastebin.com. There are problems with syntax highlighting and font sizes that make it hard to read, and copy/paste includes line numbers. Consider using http://www.webdevout.net/test which allows you run the code in your browser to help with debugging.
[20:58] abustin:  var compiledFile = compiledJs[req.url] || "";
[20:58] franck34: `paster
[20:58] abustin:                 res.writeHead(notModified? 304 : 200, {
[20:58] abustin:                     //"content-length":compiledFile? compiledFile.length : stat.size,
[20:58] abustin:                     "date":(new Date()).toUTCString(),
[20:58] abustin:                     "last-modified":stat.mtime.toUTCString()
[20:58] abustin:                 });
[20:58] abustin:                 
[20:58] abustin:                 (notModified||compiledFile)? res.end(compiledFile||undefined) : fs.createReadStream(file).pipe(res);
[20:58] Nuck: ...
[20:58] abustin: it's very basic
[20:58] CoverSlide: 
ACTION sighs

[20:58] Nuck: abustin: It's called a pastebin
[20:58] franck34: oO
[20:58] Nuck: Pick whatever one you want
[20:58] abustin: i know :P
[20:58] Nuck: I personally use gist.github.com
[20:59] Nuck: (most powerful pastebin ever)
[20:59] abustin: i don't think it can form a good test case
[20:59] CoverSlide: gist is awesome
[20:59] abustin: it's just bog standard http server stuff
[20:59] CoverSlide: but for frontend js
[20:59] CoverSlide: nothing beats jsfiddle
[20:59] franck34: any node module more simple than ncurse to handle screen console ?
[20:59] Nuck: CoverSlide: Agreed
[20:59] Nuck: Somebody should make a NodeJS-capable JSfiddle :D
[21:00] CoverSlide: franck34: have you looked at charm?
[21:00] Nuck: Use some form of compartmentalization, but with npm capabilities and such
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[21:01] Nuck: When's the next NKO?  That needs to be done.
[21:01] Nuck: :P
[21:01] franck34: CoverSlide: no, let me look
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[21:01] CoverSlide: when are the nko winners going to be announced?
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[21:01] franck34: CoverSlide: not in module list, perhaps npm?
[21:01] Nuck: CoverSlide: Still got a few more days of voting
[21:01] CoverSlide: npm install charm
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[21:02] jokil: is there a public roadmap/progress chart for development on node v0.5?
[21:02] CoverSlide: or https://github.com/substack/node-charm
[21:02] Nuck: http://search.npmjs.org/#/charm
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[21:02] Nuck: or that
[21:02] franck34: CoverSlide: a substrack module, sound good thx guys
[21:02] Nuck: oooh, SubStack's work /me looks
[21:03] Nuck: I love how you can slap his name on something and it's magically way better
[21:03] Nuck: It's like the Google logo effect :D
[21:03] jesusabdullah: haha
[21:03] franck34: :D
[21:03] franck34: +100000
[21:03] jesusabdullah: It works with networking too
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[21:03] jesusabdullah: If you mention that you know substack it instantly adds +5 to your node charisma
[21:04] Nuck: seriously
[21:04] djazz: anyone here have been using the new websocket protocol with node?
[21:04] Nuck: aw damn I hoped it would provide TUI stuff :'(
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[21:05] franck34: CoverSlide: charm is excellent, thanks
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[21:05] franck34: djazz: until wss not support (ws over ssl) i'll not take a look
[21:05] franck34: djazz: i'm using faye/bayeux + redis pub/sub
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[21:06] djazz: faye works?
[21:06] franck34: like a charm
[21:06] djazz: on FF6/Chrome14+?
[21:06] franck34: absolutely
[21:06] djazz: strange...
[21:06] djazz: I found my code looked identical to Faye's..
[21:06] djazz: but readyState remains 0
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[21:07] djazz: i send the same handshake over the socket :s
[21:07] franck34: djazz: i don't have any problem, absolutely none
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[21:08] franck34: daemon -> fetch realtime data from an persistant https stomp request -> redis -> web app (qooxdoo) using faye
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[21:09] polotek: anybody here really familiar with using node-mysql in non-trivial apps?
[21:09] franck34: i'm using sqlite and mysql with "trivial" apps
[21:09] Nuck: Why would one use MySQL when you can use NoSQL?
[21:10] franck34: :D
[21:10] Nuck: Mongo 4 life
[21:10] franck34: redback live
[21:10] franck34: s/live/life
[21:10] Nuck: redback?
[21:10] franck34: abstract layer over redis, with full text search etc
[21:11] Nuck: ah
[21:11] Nuck: I deal with raw Mongo through mongo-native
[21:11] franck34: i don't know mongo, can you resume benefits ?
[21:11] Nuck: resume benefits?
[21:11] context: riak !
[21:11] franck34: explain benefits
[21:12] djazz: franck34: oh, now it works!
[21:12] polotek: how does node-mysql handle transations? does it peg you to a connection?
[21:12] Nuck: Mongo is like SQL for JSON
[21:12] Nuck: 'nuff said
[21:12] djazz: i used several socket.write instead of one
[21:12] djazz: :S
[21:12] context: nuck: absolutely HORRIBLE explaination
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[21:12] Nuck: context: It has other benefits, too, but the one that always caught me was the fact that it's JSON with a query language.
[21:13] franck34: interesting
[21:13] Nuck: Which is something I'd wanted for YEARS
[21:13] Nuck: Mongo also has great sharding and scalability features
[21:13] Nuck: Replication is pretty good too, or so I hear
[21:13] franck34: mongo = fulltext search, view ?
[21:13] context: franck34: its a schema-less document store.
[21:14] Nuck: I believe it has fulltest search.
[21:14] Nuck: Not sure tho
[21:14] context: franck34: http://www.mongodb.org/
[21:14] context: you should try the internets, they has 'pages' explain its stuff
[21:14] franck34: i'll take a look. I'm using redis/mysql. Perhaps i can drop mysql ?
[21:14] context: they both have their purposes.
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[21:15] Nuck: It's a similar scale to MySQL, a full-size database
[21:15] Nuck: But it's JSON
[21:15] Nuck: So it's nestable and such
[21:15] franck34: i need to store data and make complexe sql queries, and store result in redis, to be able to update a GUI using faye in realtime
[21:15] jokil: Nuck: comparing it to SQL is misleading. mongo is not relational
[21:15] Nuck: context: Sure, but I've yet to find a situation Mongo couldn't handle :P
[21:15] context: yes except you go NO acid compliance, no transactions, and no referencial integrety.
[21:15] bloudermilk: Howdy everyone. I'm currently evaluating node to serve as a simple HTTP reverse proxy. I was hoping to get some feedback on its usefulness in this field. I'd like to route to Rails http servers based on the reques's host
[21:16] Fabryz: Anyone knows how to preventDefault on everything BUT input fields?
[21:16] Nuck: jokil: What I mean is that it has a query language that provides similar capabilites to something like SQL
[21:16] context: nuck: tell any bank to move ti mongo they will probably kick you in the head and ensure your body is never found again.
[21:16] Fabryz: moving my char with arrows and using TAB for player score, but I don't want scrollbar to move NOR focus going around with tab
[21:16] piscisaureus: abustin: hey
[21:16] jokil: bloudermilk: try https://github.com/nodejitsu/node-http-proxy
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[21:16] franck34: bloudermilk: in a few day, i need to benchmark node https reverse proxy and compare it to apache lol
[21:16] piscisaureus: abusting: I can't really make up what the program is doing
[21:16] piscisaureus: Can you paste that code to gist or pastebin?
[21:16] Nuck: context: heh, fair enough, but they probalby shouldn't use MySQL either ;)
[21:16] bloudermilk: jokil: Thanks! I'll take a look
[21:16] polotek: bloudermilk: why use node for that?
[21:16] djazz: ws.send("AAA); --> <Buffer 81 83 7f 0c 13 32 3e 4d 52> :S
[21:17] Nuck: MySQL is pretty notorious for injection attacks
[21:17] polotek: wny not just nginx?
[21:17] TooTallNate: bnoordhuis: ryah: ugghhhh, I really didn't want it to come to this: https://github.com/bnoordhuis/node-buffertools/commit/f223aee7d0c08ee7e83802d662e9697a1b8c1db1
[21:17] Nuck: polotek: Well, Nginx sucks for revers proxy
[21:17] franck34: djazz: what is the problem ?
[21:17] bloudermilk: polotek: I was looking at nginx but it doesn't support websockets
[21:17] Nuck: It uses HTTP 1.0 to route to the servers
[21:17] djazz: i guess the protocol encodes the data somehow
[21:17] context: nuck: correct.
[21:17] bloudermilk: Also I'd like my router to be highly dynamic (adding new hosts on the fly w/o taking down everything)
[21:17] piscisaureus: abustin: ^
[21:18] franck34: bloudermilk: node is your solution :)
[21:18] bloudermilk: polotek: Essentially I'm building a very stripped down version of Heroku for client projects at my consultancy
[21:18] bloudermilk: Heroku is way to expensive for our smaller clients
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[21:18] bloudermilk: *too
[21:18] bloudermilk: franck34: Thanks for the encouragement
[21:18] Nuck: context: Can't easily inject when everything is treated a a string
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[21:19] Nuck: As in Mongo
[21:19] Nuck: You don't just concatenate a couple strings, you generate an object
[21:19] polotek: mysql is notorious for injection because nobody uses escape
[21:19] Nuck: polotek: It's hard to remember, and Node doesn't provide that, AFAIK
[21:19] Nuck: Prolly a module for it
[21:20] polotek: Nuck: correct, but that's not the fault of the db. use prepared statements
[21:20] franck34: djazz: ws.send(new Buffer("AAA").toString()) perhaps ?
[21:20] context: nuck: well people not using string escaping or an ORM deserve whatever they get
[21:20] djazz: ws.send is client browser code
[21:20] Nuck: polotek: Well, in the case of Mongo, there is no need to escape :P
[21:20] Nuck: context: ORM?
[21:20] Nuck: Fuck ORMs.
[21:20] Nuck: Mongo
[21:20] context: polotek: uhh injection has nothing to do with mysql.
[21:20] context: it can happen to ANY database.
[21:20] djazz: it dont use 0x00 DATA 0xFF framing
[21:20] franck34: djazz: and you receive a buffer node side ? decode it ! var str=new Buffer(response).toString();
[21:20] polotek: context: that's what I said
[21:21] Nuck: context: How do we inject into Mongo?
[21:21] djazz: i did, and i got unreadable chars
[21:21] context: why was injection even brought up
[21:21] Nuck: I've yet to figure that one out
[21:21] Nuck: And it's something that worries me
[21:21] franck34: djazz: can you sniff using ngrep or wireshark to see if your client is not sending stupid things ?
[21:22] Nuck: Somebody once said something about special chars, but I see no reason why that could break it
[21:22] djazz: i'll try in ff too, w8
[21:22] Nuck: You can't magically end the string through what's in the string
[21:22] polotek: Nuck: if you're building json strings manually or you're taking part of the string from user input, you can definitely cause problems in mongo
[21:22] Nuck: polotek: What, json strings?
[21:22] Nuck: JSON is an OBJECT
[21:22] Nuck: Input is stored inside strings inside that
[21:22] polotek: Nuck: no, json is a data format
[21:23] polotek: it's sent over the wire as a string
[21:23] bnoordhuis: TooTallNate: haha, you're watching buffertools?
[21:23] bnoordhuis: ugly isn't it?
[21:23] Nuck: polotek: You build it as an object, it gets encoded
[21:23] polotek: my point is that you can get a string an pass it straight to mongo
[21:23] franck34: after sql injection... mongo injection using json :)
[21:23] TooTallNate: bnoordhuis: there's gotta be a way to do that in the wscript...
[21:23] djazz: FF dont want to connect
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[21:23] Nuck: The strings are automatically escaped by the database connector
[21:23] Nuck: Nobody does raw Mongo
[21:23] Nuck: It's a complex protocol
[21:23] TooTallNate: bnoordhuis: but also, expecting every other native module out there to do that is asking a lot I think
[21:23] jokil: Nuck: that's an assumption about the database driver
[21:23] wink_: polotek: yes, but none of it is eval'd, mongo doesnt suffer those sorts of injection attacks
[21:24] Nuck: I'm pretty sure it's even encoded into BSON before sending
[21:24] jokil: mongo itself is not secure, it just so happens that most mongo drivers are not retarded
[21:24] wink_: it is definitely encoded to bson before sending
[21:24] Nuck: jokil: Not at all
[21:24] wink_: every single driver is encoding the json object into bson before it hits the wire
[21:24] bnoordhuis: TooTallNate: i think it's a bug in the 0.5.5 release, node-waf in the current master builds in build/default again
[21:24] Nuck: If it's encoded to JSON, the strings are escaped by the JS environment itself
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[21:24] TooTallNate: bnoordhuis: ok that's good to know
[21:25] franck34: 
ACTION time to fuck my wife, see you guys

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[21:25] polotek: sure it's not the same type of "injection" attack
[21:25] context: nuck: http://www.mongodb.org/display/DOCS/Do+I+Have+to+Worry+About+SQL+Injection
[21:25] context: YES. you need to worry about users messing with your crap.
[21:25] polotek: my point is you can have things happen that you didn't intend
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[21:25] bnoordhuis: franck34: say hi to your wife
[21:25] context: you should try the internets, they has 'pages' explain its stuff
[21:25] bnoordhuis: it's a good thing franck34 doesn't mind sloppy seconds
[21:25] djazz: frank34: http://pastebin.com/Fe92W43c
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[21:26] djazz: franck34*
[21:26] jokil: Nuck:  FTA, " For example when using the $where statement in a query, do not concatenate user supplied data to build Javascript code; this would be analogous to a SQL injection vulnerability." If there was a poorly written find query, I could dump your entire collection and view it
[21:26] polotek: jokil: thanks
[21:26] bnoordhuis: TooTallNate: have you tried building against the current master today? (double-check)
[21:26] TooTallNate: bnoordhuis: i haven't tried; i'll give it a show
[21:26] TooTallNate: *shot
[21:26] wink_: read all of it guys ;>
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[21:26] Nuck: ah, these are all fringe cases
[21:27] Nuck: user-generated keys and JS to be executed on the server
[21:27] Nuck: Yup, no issues there :P
[21:27] wink_: the data you're inserting does not mix with your query, unlike the string concatenated style of SQL querying
[21:27] Nuck: This should honestly be completely common-sense
[21:28] Nuck: wink_: Exactly, so I've got like a 5% chance of problems
[21:28] wink_: if you're programatically generating your query, then yeah, sure you could get junk injected
[21:28] Nuck: Nobody should be dumb enough to inject unescaped data into a JS environment
[21:28] Nuck: Just like how all JS coders know you never use eval()
[21:28] Nuck: Or setTimeout with a string
[21:28] polotek: haha, if nobody was dumb enough to do dumb things then the term sql injection wouldn't exist
[21:28] Nuck: fair enough
[21:29] Nuck: But JS coders have gotten used to these things in their environment
[21:29] wink_: i've used mongo for all sorts of horrible things, and i've yet to find a need to programatically generate the query.  i'd be interested to hear the use cases for doing so
[21:29] Nuck: We know damn well not to use certain parts of the language
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[21:29] Nuck: wink_: Ditto
[21:29] Nuck: I'm using it heavily in my startup
[21:29] Nuck: And in all our database stuff, I've never had to programmatically generate a key or use the JS functions
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[21:30] Nuck: I may use the JS stuff for map/reduce, though it's all a question of what the tradeoffs between network lag between Node and Mongo would be if I did map/reduce on Node (sicne it's V8) versus doing it on the DB servers
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[21:31] Nuck: Which also depends on whether my suggestion algorithm can be fitted into a map/reduce setup
[21:31] polotek: I'm not sure what the point of this discussion is
[21:32] jokil: is there any attempt to make a mongo fork that uses v8 instead of spidermonkey?
[21:32] polotek: mongo is nice in a lot of ways
[21:32] wink_: jokil: i believe there is, yes
[21:32] Nuck: jokil: God, I would KILL for that
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[21:32] polotek: but trying to convince people that the query system has no flaws is kind of pointless right?
[21:32] Nuck: polotek: The only flaws are those that the user creates themselves
[21:32] Nuck: And they're pretty obvious flaws
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[21:33] Nuck: SQL injection is something many people probably don't think about (for some retarded reason)
[21:33] polotek: I think my point is that you're underestimating how "dumb" people can be.
[21:34] polotek: I've seen people take json input and allow comments in it
[21:34] polotek: and try to strip the comments with really bad regexes
[21:34] Nuck: polotek: Yes, but in this case, the only injections that can be done are in very odd cases
[21:34] Nuck: Which the average idiot wouldn't use
[21:34] wink_: or be able to for that matter :p
[21:35] Nuck: Whereas in SQL, you basically NEED to insert input data into the string
[21:35] polotek: No, as soon as you allow injection into your data, you're vulnerable
[21:35] polotek:  maybe they can't mass delete things
[21:35] polotek: but you can do things like reset passwords
[21:35] Nuck: polotek: Eh?  Not really.
[21:35] Nuck: The only two attacks on Mongo are user-generated keys and JS-on-the-DB
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[21:36] Nuck: Which are pretty advanced features
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[21:36] Nuck: Which are only rarely used
[21:36] bnjmn: hi i have a coworker who says node is a language and i say no it's not, and he says well then why does everyone say "I'm programming node"
[21:36] polotek: Nuck: I hope you're never proven wrong. Like i said, pointless argument
[21:36] Nuck: bnjmn: It's a platform basedo n the JS language
[21:36] tjholowaychuk: bnjmn hahah
[21:36] bnjmn: can I kill him please
[21:36] tjholowaychuk: no its not
[21:36] wink_: bnjmn: it's not a language :p
[21:37] bnjmn: well why do people say that then, is that a marketing strategy or something
[21:37] Nuck: It's sorta like saying you're coding Ruby
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[21:37] Nuck: Err, Rails
[21:37] Nuck: The language is technically Ruby
[21:37] wink_: its because it's javascript, but just saying that isnt really descriptive enough
[21:37] Nuck: But you can still program on a platform
[21:38] bnjmn: i'm just going to start saying "what? you're programming nude?"
[21:38] wink_: put your balls away!
[21:38] stash1: hey, is .pause() supposed to work for all 'data' events on node's ClientResponse?
[21:38] Nuck: It's a subset of the JS community and a superset of the JS language :D
[21:38] stash1: https://gist.github.com/1182108
[21:38] bnjmn: i'm programming semicolon
[21:39] polotek: stash1: no, pause is not guaranteed to stop all data events immediately
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[21:39] CoverSlide: fo realz?
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[21:39] polotek: yes, it's a known issue and the subject of some debate
[21:39] CoverSlide: why dat?
[21:40] Guest30041: can i ask a browserify question here? :)
[21:40] bnjmn: rasmus lerdorf is programming security holes
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[21:40] stash1: polotek: thanks. any suggestions for a workaround?
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[21:41] polotek: stash1: you want my personal opinion or to tell you what you wanna hear ;)
[21:42] SubStack: Guest16711: you sure can
[21:42] abustin: does anyone know of a upnp node package that'll allow a node app to find other instances of itself 
[21:42] abustin: ... on the same internal network
[21:42] polotek: stash1: my personal opinion is don't pause. just buffer the data output for a bit, until you are ready to handle it.
[21:43] polotek: you should stick to stream piping as much as possible instead of handling data on your own
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[21:44] polotek: use something like the bufferedstream to help https://github.com/mikeal/morestreams
[21:44] draginx: For redisclient do I need only one instance for subscribing and another for pub or do I need one for each subscription to a "room"?
[21:44] stash1: well, the thing here is to decide if i need to filter the content or not
[21:44] mrdoodles: is there anything at all internally within express or the node bin to run in production or development? so instead of exporting a bash variable EXPRESS_ENV ....
[21:44] stash1: so the decision to .pipe is maybe later
[21:44] stash1: i'll check out bufferedstream, thank you.
[21:44] mrdoodles: anything like app.set("env", "production") ; ?
[21:44] tjholowaychuk: mrdoodles app.set('env', val)
[21:44] mrdoodles: ahh thx
[21:44] tjholowaychuk: but it is bad practice to hard-code that in
[21:45] tjholowaychuk: not sure why you would want to
[21:45] CoverSlide: process.env.NODE_ENV = "production"
[21:45] CoverSlide: yay!
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[21:45] mrdoodles: good call was just curious ..
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[21:47] polotek: stash1: yeah there should be a filtered pipe also, basically an intermediate object that will do your filtering
[21:47] polotek: so you buffer until you decide if/how to filter, then you pipe it to the appropriate object.
[21:47] stash1: right, "filter or pass"
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[21:48] brewnzie: has anyone been successful at browserifying zeroMQ or node-postgres?
[21:49] polotek: brewnzie: modules that require C/C++ addons can't be browserified right?
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[21:50] brewnzie: that's what we were trying to figure out :), guess not
[21:50] CoverSlide: correct
[21:50] CoverSlide: unless there's a way to integrate with NativeClient
[21:50] CoverSlide: but I doubt it will ever happen
[21:50] stash1: BufferedStream looks like what i want for now.
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[21:50] polotek: CoverSlide: that would be cool. but then you're talking about getting people to install something
[21:51] stash1: i appreciate the advice, polotek. thanks again.
[21:51] brewnzie: coverslide: thank you, is there an alternative? we cannot install node on the client device
[21:51] polotek: stash1: no problem
[21:52] CoverSlide: probably have to find / write a pure JS parser
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[21:54] brewnzie: coverslide: ok we'll keep trying, thanks 
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[22:03] tmedema: tjholowaychuk: hey, you said you were rewriting dox right? I was wondering if you plan on making it work with modularized applications. Eg. a scrollable overview of a tree structure of each file as well as a way to create docs for all files in a folder (and its childs)
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[22:04] tjholowaychuk: tmedema it's not really a rewrite but i plan on removing a bunch of stuff
[22:04] EyePulp: and also make it cook breakfast.
[22:04] tjholowaychuk: it will just give you json for the comments
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[22:04] EyePulp: and do my windows
[22:04] tjholowaychuk: and you can apply templates to that data
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[22:04] tmedema: tjholowaychuk: ah, will it accept a folder as input?
[22:04] franck34: is there a simple way to count the number of property in an object ?
[22:04] franck34: equivalent of array.length
[22:04] tjholowaychuk: tmedema i think i have that
[22:04] tjholowaychuk: though
[22:05] tjholowaychuk: there's no reason you cant just do find foo/* | xargs dox
[22:05] tjholowaychuk: etc
[22:05] mrdoodles: i posted before asking about counting active sessions, someone suggested something but i had accidentally /clear'd it ...
[22:05] tmedema: tjholowaychuk: that'd be great. Ah, I'm really bad with unix.
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[22:05] tmedema: tjholowaychuk: so the idea is that we render the JSON ourselves?
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[22:05] CoverSlide: unix has no penix
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[22:13] mrdoodles: anyone, on an "ok" way to keep decent track of active user sessions?
[22:13] chapel: mrdoodles: what are you using, express?
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[22:15] mrdoodles: chapel: yes sir!
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[22:16] chapel: why do you need a count of active sessions, out of curiosity ?
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[22:16] mrdoodles: i don't "need" it. i was just running a tail from some middleware viewing memory etc and wanted to see active sessions or sessions or … anything
[22:17] mrdoodles: just not sure how to go about it?
[22:18] chapel: sessionStore
[22:18] Murvin: Hi.. i have a question regarding session in node.   In Symfony PHP, when a session is open, it will block all other threads accessing the session before it is closed.   does it have the same problem with node?  
[22:18] Murvin: how many concurrent sessions node can have?
[22:18] chapel: req.session and req.sessionStore properties will be accessible to all routes and subsequent middleware.
[22:19] chapel: Murvin: as many as your server can handle :)
[22:19] chapel: or your code for that matter
[22:19] chapel: node doesn't block on sessions
[22:20] Murvin: ok.  because my coworker happened to find out the session in symfony and Java will result in blocking siutation and thus, limit the # of concurrent sessions can have.   so i just want to make sure node is smart enough .. lol
[22:20] Murvin: and ..
[22:21] DrMcKay: ok, guys, I'm starting to maintain cradle (original author is unreacheable). any thoughs?
[22:21] Murvin: what about if I have my node running on multiple servers.   and the traffic is actually hitting the load balancer first, then send the request to one of the node servers.   How node handle session in this situation?
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[22:22] DrMcKay: (my fork is at: https://github.com/mmalecki/cradle2 )
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[22:22] chapel: Murvin: use a db sessionStore
[22:22] Murvin: let say, if the first time user hit the site and go to Node#1,   and get a session.  If the user hit the site again (in few seconds), and actually hit Node#2.  will he has the same session
[22:22] chapel: like connect-mongo or connect-redis
[22:22] chapel: whichever
[22:22] chapel: and then it uses the db to handle sessions
[22:22] Murvin: I'm using express.session   with connect-mongo  datastore.
[22:22] chapel: should be good
[22:23] Murvin: ok.. i have develop the code half way through and then realize my test and prod environment has multilpe nodes. LOL
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[22:26] Murvin: chapel: thanks. let me test it out. ^^
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[22:38] bingomanatee_: not a node question - but- if you have an HTML field and the browser is "repopulating" its values from the latest entries - is there a a way to prevent the field values from being repopulated? some hint tag or something?
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[22:39] qbert_: yes
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[22:40] bingomanatee_: what is it?
[22:40] qbert_: autocomplete="off" 
[22:40] bingomanatee_: thanks
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[22:45] godzirra: Can anyone help me figure out why my response is blank when I'm using hbs?  http://pastie.org/2456889  There's my code, template and output
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[22:50] qbert_: godzirra, is curl sending the 'accept xml' header or whatever ?
[22:50] qbert_: what happens in the browser ?
[22:51] dylang: is there any kind of overall scoreboard to see how everybody is ranked?
[22:52] CoverSlide: ranked?
[22:52] CoverSlide: as in nko?
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[22:55] godzirra: qbert_: Let me try.  
[22:55] godzirra: qbert_: same thing.. empty page.
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[22:56] llrcombs: and we're back
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[22:59] elliottcable: Hm.
[22:59] elliottcable: >> (function(){ var foo; process.nextTick(function(){ sys.inspect(foo) }); foo = 123; })()
[22:59] elliottcable: v8> (function(){ var foo; process.nextTick(function(){ sys.inspect(foo) }); foo = 123; })()
[22:59] v8bot_: elliottcable: ReferenceError: process is not defined
[22:59] elliottcable: buh
[22:59] elliottcable: is there no *node*bot in this channel?
[22:59] elliottcable: anyway, can somebody tell me why that “isn’t working” in my `node` console at a terminal?
[23:00] wadey: did you do "sys = require('sys')" ?
[23:00] elliottcable: I’m trying to refresh my rusty JavaScript knowledge;
[23:00] elliottcable: (wadey ⁓ yes)
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[23:00] CoverSlide: probably cut / paste from an old article
[23:00] elliottcable: and I don’t remember if it’s going to close over the value *at the time of closure*, or see the updated value
[23:00] wadey: elliottcable:  you need to print the value out
[23:01] elliottcable: CoverSlide ⁓ nah, I wrote it
[23:01] wadey: sys.inspect just returns the value
[23:01] elliottcable: wadey ⁓ ah, I forgot. Been ages since I node’d, really. )=
[23:01] wadey: you could do console.log() instead
[23:02] elliottcable: perfect, it *does* close over the actual variable
[23:02] elliottcable: thanks, wadey (=
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[23:06] godzirra: Welcome back again…  lol
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[23:06] godzirra: Can anyone help me figure out why my response is blank when I'm using hbs?  http://pastie.org/2456889  There's my code, template and output
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[23:09] mrdoodles: so i had my auth lib working, sessions, every things golden  hah? trying to use mongoose now as my sessionStore with express… no errors just a hang/white/blank screen when i try to hit my first page that tests for sessions … http://pastebin.com/dtVLsAUD
[23:09] mrdoodles: seems basic?
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[23:21] mrdoodles: hey anyone on mongoose as a session store?
[23:22] mrdoodles: for express .....
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[23:26] Sembiance: woot, just published my first ever npm module :)   http://search.npmjs.org/#/mhash
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[23:31] Sembiance: `npm mhash
[23:31] Sembiance: heh ;)
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[23:39] mrdoodles: last thing on my agenda for the evening, has anyone ever gotten mongoose working with the express session store?
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[23:39] Sembiance: mrdoodles: not I. I chose to use native-mongodb and json-schema and JSV over mongoose
[23:39] mrdoodles: hmmm
[23:40] mrdoodles: Sembiance: i guess i should look more into native-mongodb
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[23:41] mrdoodles: Sembiance: i saw github "Eye". could be epic!
[23:41] Sembiance: mrdoodles: ?
[23:41] mrdoodles: you posted on your npm module right?
[23:42] mrdoodles: then i saw your github, then looked at Eye, i was working on writing something like that today
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[23:42] Sembiance: mrdoodles: ahh yes, some day I'm gonna get back to writing that ;)
[23:42] mrdoodles: hehe
[23:43] Sembiance: I'm happy to finally have a module in npm though :)
[23:43] Sembiance: hopefully some people will find it useful
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[23:45] mrdoodles: that it seems rock solid man
[23:45] mrdoodles: i might have to do this :/ http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6819911/nodejs-expressjs-session-handling-with-mongodb-mongoose
[23:47] Sembiance: I use expressjs in a production site, and using it my my current project under development, but none of them have any 'state' so I've never used the session stuff from express
[23:47] mrdoodles: :/
[23:47] tjholowaychuk: yeah dont use memory store in prod haha
[23:48] mrdoodles: tjholowaychuk: any idea? :P
[23:48] tjholowaychuk: i havent tried the mongo store, should work fine though
[23:48] tjholowaychuk: it used to
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[23:49] mrdoodles: i think i need to find the right object in my mongo instance
[23:49] mrdoodles: 
ACTION logging mongo on open

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[23:54] mrdoodles: tjholowaychuk: i logged and iterated over my mongo object one i had mongo = require("mongoose"); and mongo.connection.on("open" ...
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[23:54] mrdoodles: i just get object has no mTypeError: Object [object Object] has no method 'set'
[23:55] tjholowaychuk: i didnt write mongoose cant help much, but check the stack trace it'll probably make the error obvious
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[23:58] abustin: does anyone know the status of dgram setBroadcast() on linux?
[23:58] abustin: i have it working well on mac
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[23:58] abustin: trying on a linux desktop now and it's say "not yet implemented"
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