[00:00] CoverSlide: but using spawn instead of exec, you can pipe the stdout of each process and do whatever instead of saving it to a buffer and clog up your memory
[00:00] softdrink: woot. docco-generated docs in my project now
[00:00] DrMcKay: sechrist: but I've read about no-knock raids and things
[00:00] sechrist: DrMcKay: it is, and I'm having terrible problems with flash (on my mac, of course)
[00:00] sechrist: I shouldn't have upgraded
[00:00] sechrist: 
ACTION screams

[00:01] DrMcKay: sechrist: HTML5 ftw!
[00:01] sechrist: the flash blocking plugins i've used have been too obtrusive
[00:01] sechrist: maybe I should look around more
[00:01] CoverSlide: is it so hard for google to convert youtube to html5
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[00:02] DrMcKay: CoverSlide: yeah, I've always wondered
[00:02] Archio: sechrist: Flash on Lion? I had issues, but they stopped when I updated Flash.
[00:02] DrMcKay: CoverSlide: they have converted part of videos, but not all
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[00:02] sechrist: Archio: I upgraded and started having issues
[00:02] Archio: Oh, I see.
[00:02] sechrist: is there some way to share cookies between safari and chrome?
[00:03] sechrist: I'm fine with using safari for flash stuff
[00:03] sechrist: but the state isn't shared
[00:03] Archio: Well... they're separate processes, right?
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[00:03] sechrist: yeah, I'm curious if there's some plugin thing
[00:03] Archio: Haven't heard of one...
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[00:06] abjorn: Eh, well cookies are just a sqlite db named "Cookies", so it's possible to transfer I suppose.
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[00:09] Archio: abjorn: Really? Hmm... maybe there is a plugin then
[00:09] abjorn: yeah
[00:09] abjorn: I know on windows it's just in AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default
[00:09] abjorn: not sure about mac or linux
[00:09] tktiddle: Is it possible to connect to a V8 terminal while debugging?
[00:10] tktiddle: termianl == console
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[00:12] abjorn: https://github.com/smtlaissezfaire/ndb not sure if this is what you're looking for or not, tktiddle
[00:12] smtlaissezfaire: yeah, ndb is buggy, though.  There are some pretty serious issues that need to be fixed there
[00:13] abjorn: yeah theres also this:
[00:13] abjorn: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/using-eclipse-as-node-applications-debugger
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[00:16] inspired12: greetings!
[00:16] inspired12: is there anyone on the air?
[00:18] DrMcKay: inspired12: no, we're all on the ground I think
[00:18] DrMcKay: but I may be wrong ;)
[00:18] inspired12: alright! DrMcKay
[00:18] DrMcKay: don't call me Meredith.
[00:19] inspired12: so, Im in the process of installing etherpad lite, which requires node.js
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[00:19] inspired12: I seem to have everything lined up, but when I do the build script, it looks like npm is throwing some errors
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[00:19] euforic: how would i call a python script in my node module  using child_process.spawn with out using its absolute path?
[00:19] DrMcKay: inspired12: gist them or paste somewhere else
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[00:21] inspired12: https://gist.github.com/1172390
[00:21] jhbot: inspired12, your 'tar' program is broken/outdated, install a new one
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[00:21] CIA-69: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07master * r27c52a6 10/ src/win/tcp.c : win: stop reading on tcp receive error - http://git.io/TEb7fg
[00:21] CIA-69: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07master * r39aac4a 10/ (include/uv-win.h src/win/pipe.c): win: better shutdown for pipes - http://git.io/NyXOcA
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[00:22] inspired12: I was able to install node.js as far as I can tell, but npm says "npm not ok"
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[00:25] DrMcKay: inspired12: update your tar
[00:25] DrMcKay: jhbot++
[00:25] v8bot_:  DrMcKay has given a beer to jhbot. jhbot now has 1 beers.
[00:25] catb0t: jhbot now has 1 beer
[00:26] DrMcKay: inspired12: you're on Linux or Windows?
[00:26] inspired12: oh man, sweet you guys got beers here :D --- Linux
[00:26] DrMcKay: inspired12: what distro?
[00:26] inspired12: RedHat
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[00:27] DrMcKay: inspired12: oh... sudo yum update -y
[00:27] DrMcKay: inspired12: if there's no tar update, update it from test-updates
[00:29] inspired12: hmmm looks like there was a kernel update
[00:29] inspired12: would that cover it? alternatively, how do I test-updates?
[00:29] DrMcKay: inspired12: did tar get updated?
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[00:30] DrMcKay: and you guys probably got 3.0 now :)
[00:30] inspired12: it didn't explicitly say tar
[00:30] DrMcKay: well, enable test-updates repo, if you have it
[00:30] DrMcKay: (I only do Fedora, so I know shit about EL)
[00:32] inspired12: yum install tar --enablerepo=updates-testing  ?
[00:34] DrMcKay: inspired12: yes
[00:34] DrMcKay: no
[00:34] DrMcKay: yum update
[00:34] inspired12: lol thanks
[00:34] perezd: anyone in here load balancing with socket io?
[00:35] inspired12: hmmm repo not found
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[00:38] DrMcKay: inspired12: I have that repo (but I'm on Fedora)
[00:39] DrMcKay: inspired12: you can build tar from source
[00:39] inspired12: gotcha, so what gave you guys the clue that tar needs updating?
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[00:39] inspired12: I can look into that further, but I gotta head out soon
[00:39] inspired12: DrMcKay++
[00:39] v8bot_:  inspired12 has given a beer to DrMcKay. DrMcKay now has 2 beers.
[00:39] catb0t: DrMcKay now has 1 beer
[00:39] CIA-69: node: 03Bert Belder 07master * r6ab4a4c 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Upgrade libuv to 39aac4a5 - http://git.io/4SLPtA
[00:40] DrMcKay: inspired12: it wasn't me to discover that, so I don't know
[00:40] inspired12: assuming the jhbot is a bot, did he figure that our based on previous entries on this channel?
[00:41] DrMcKay: inspired12: no, of course not (he's not a neural network and he's got no inteligence)
[00:41] DrMcKay: well, at least, I hope
[00:42] inspired12: ok good. I thought the internet was getting way smarter way sooner than expected
[00:42] DrMcKay: this is TheJH's bot and he coded some rules to find issues which were asked about the most
[00:42] inspired12: thats awesome, I will see you guys around, thanks for your help
[00:42] inspired12: ++beers for everyone
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[00:42] DrMcKay: inspired12: :). see you around :)
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[00:51] ggg: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7169273/mongoose-everyauth-weird-behavior
[00:51] ggg: anyone why it saves the _id properly, but the other parameters saved are the previous entry
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[00:55] ggg: wondering if its a bug with either mongoose, everyauth or express or maybe mongodb
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[00:55] ggg: I input in the console my values, but they arent whats saved in the database...
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[00:56] weilies: hi there, anyone know how to fix 'throw e; // process.nextTick error, or 'error' event on first tick' error?
[00:56] weilies: i m stucked
[00:57] ggg: need more details
[00:57] ggg: gist it
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[01:02] cjheath: Any node devs online? Node (current git version) no longer builds on OSX 10.5.8, because it believes FDATASYNC is available when it isn't
[01:03] cjheath: I've hacked it for now, but you should fix it properly
[01:05] cjheath: Oh, I see the issue has been reported: https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1534
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[01:15] bnoordhuis: cjheath: if you have a good solution, i'd love to hear it
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[01:18] sechrist_: oh man, I set up this thing that imports a browserify rendered file as a userscript
[01:18] sechrist_: it's really like I'm controlling an app without owning the app
[01:18] cjheath: There's code in deps/uv/src/eio/libeio.m4 to check the presence of fdatasync, but the setting is overridden at a higher level so it doesn't appear to use that check
[01:18] cjheath: I don't know enough about how the build system works to know how
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[01:19] cjheath: bnoordhuis: ping.
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[01:20] bnoordhuis: cjheath: pong
[01:21] bnoordhuis: we don't use the autoconf system right now
[01:21] cjheath: ahh, ok
[01:21] cjheath: I thought that configuration was faster than autoconf usually is :)
[01:21] bnoordhuis: yeah
[01:22] bnoordhuis: it's mostly because we're porting to windows
[01:22] DrMcKay: well, autoconf is outdated and not so portable
[01:22] bnoordhuis: and autotools doesn't work there (not that anyone has it installed anyway)
[01:22] cjheath: I'm going to need to cross-compile node onto Cortex A8 soo, which I believe has been done, but I'll need to understand how the build system works a bit better
[01:22] cjheath: autotools works on Windows if you build uder cygwin
[01:23] bnoordhuis: cygwin is exactly what we're trying to avoid :)
[01:23] DrMcKay: seriously, cygwin? it's slow!
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[01:23] cjheath: right, good idea
[01:23] bnoordhuis: cjheath: re build system: it's waf + scons for v8 + make for libuv
[01:24] bnoordhuis: or gyp if you use the bleeding edge
[01:24] cjheath: Yeah, Ive seen that, but never used waf or scons before
[01:24] DrMcKay: waf is even nice
[01:24] cjheath: I've just done a git pull :)
[01:24] cjheath: so I assume gyp is in play
[01:24] tjholowaychuk: drudge: could clicking the reconnect thing in linkinus retain the channel selections?
[01:24] DrMcKay: I use it for all my projects lately
[01:25] cjheath: I'm not a python user, so I don't :)
[01:25] bnoordhuis: cjheath: gyp is optional atm
[01:25] bnoordhuis: default is still waf
[01:25] DrMcKay: cjheath: but it's easy and doesn't require any python knowledge
[01:25] cjheath: Ok. I just did what the README said
[01:25] bnoordhuis: waf?
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[01:26] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: ^
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[01:26] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: yeah, I didn't feel like using my Python superpowers while writing a compile scripy
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[01:26] DrMcKay: *script
[01:27] bnoordhuis: gah, waf
[01:27] bnoordhuis: i hate it, hate it, hate it
[01:27] DrMcKay: but with bigger projects ymmv
[01:27] bnoordhuis: stab stab
[01:27] mbutubuntu: hello folks, in the method fs.mkdir(path, mode)... what mode is?
[01:27] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: why?
[01:27] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: anytime i want to do something more complicated than just compiling files i have to dive into the waf source to find out how
[01:27] cjheath: what's cmake?
[01:28] bnoordhuis: and that's mostly because the documentation says 'do this' and when you do that, it crashes with an obscure error
[01:28] bnoordhuis: cjheath: an alternative build system, mostly used by the webos guys
[01:28] cjheath: too many moving parts :(
[01:28] bnoordhuis: yeah
[01:28] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: most complicated thing I did in waf was linking libraries, so you're probably right
[01:28] bnoordhuis: that's why we're moving to gyp
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[01:29] cjheath: How cn I find out what "waf install" ins going to do?
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[01:29] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: also, I like jam, but it isn't really documented well
[01:29] bnoordhuis: cjheath: try it :)
[01:29] cjheath: You used to be able to read the makefile to see what make install would do, now, it's ... hidden
[01:30] cjheath: NO
[01:30] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: i've used jam in the past - no strong opinion on it
[01:30] cjheath: I wont insytall until I can see what it wants to do...
[01:30] bnoordhuis: it copies files, that's about it
[01:30] cjheath: Where's the code for waf install?
[01:30] cjheath: Where's the list of files then
[01:31] bnoordhuis: in the wscript file
[01:31] cjheath: ok, thx
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[01:31] DrMcKay: 
ACTION goes to write a sane build system

[01:32] cjheath: DrMcKay: That's what everyone else said too
[01:32] DrMcKay: cjheath: I know :(
[01:35] DrMcKay: but I actually will.
[01:35] DrMcKay: tomorrow.
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[01:36] cjheath: bnoordhuis: B&*^#$ hard to find what wscript says to install, and where
[01:36] bnoordhuis: cjheath: yep, it's not pretty but grep for install_files
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[01:37] cjheath: also it doesn't seem to have a --pretend option
[01:37] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: so you say that gyp is the way?
[01:37] justicefries: is there gonna be a node knockout IRC channel?
[01:37] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: well... a way
[01:37] bnoordhuis: for my personal projects i use makefiles and sometimes autotools
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[01:38] bnoordhuis: not a fan of autotools but well
[01:38] bnoordhuis: cjheath: no, i've never found the dry run mode in waf
[01:38] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: so much choices.
[01:38] cjheath: To be fair, there are a lot of 3rd party deps
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[01:39] cjheath: One of the most important things about a build system is that it can be introspected
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[01:39] cjheath: which is the main reason why it's important to have few moving parts
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[01:47] tktiddle: So seems I cant use var osc = require('./lib/osc'); because require.paths has been removed, so how doo i get node to find osc?  I tried renaming lib directory to 'osc' and placing it in node_modules but node still can't find it
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[01:48] jesusabdullah: node has an osc module?
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[01:48] tktiddle: eeerm, theyres something on git called node-osc im trying to run an example
[01:49] jesusabdullah: link?
[01:49] DrMcKay: !npm search osc
[01:49] jhbot: package oscar: An OSCAR protocol module for node.js
[01:49] jhbot: package osc4node: OpenSoundControl implementation for node
[01:49] jesusabdullah: I did an npm search, found a module with a different name
[01:49] jesusabdullah: yeah, osc4node
[01:49] jesusabdullah: idk what oscar is
[01:49] tktiddle: not that one 
[01:49] tktiddle: its buggy
[01:49] jesusabdullah: but I do know a little about osc
[01:49] tktiddle: im trying to use this one https://github.com/samBiotic/node-osc
[01:51] jesusabdullah: Honestly, I kinda like seeing node code get released as mit instead of gpl
[01:51] jesusabdullah: Not a big deal, but part of me was like, "maaan"
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[01:53] jesusabdullah: i know osc from tuio.
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[01:54] abraxas: Does anyone know if it's possible to run Jakefiles from within node?
[01:55] abraxas: Alternatively: what do you guys use to build javascript (from many files to say, one) on-the-fly in NodeJS, before sending it to the client?
[01:56] tktiddle: so if i want to run this https://github.com/samBiotic/node-osc/blob/master/server.js what do i replace the require with?
[01:56] tktiddle: jesusabdullah: are you talking about this? http://bubblebird.at/tuioflash/guides/sending-osc/
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[01:57] tktiddle: jesusabdullah: im trying to do osc from web browser
[01:57] jesusabdullah: tktiddle: Yeah, same tuio. Look at http://tuio.org though
[01:57] jesusabdullah: Oh, neat1
[01:58] jesusabdullah: !*
[01:58] tktiddle: Just because thats how i prefer to make interfaces
[01:58] jesusabdullah: What do you mean?
[01:59] jesusabdullah: Can you proxy your osc's?
[01:59] jesusabdullah: wait, that's what you're doing
[01:59] jesusabdullah: I was thinking, like, "cut out the middle man"
[01:59] jesusabdullah: pure client-side
[01:59] jesusabdullah: could be interesting but I don't think a web browser is equipped to do that without greasemonkey or something.
[01:59] jesusabdullah: That said, there are definitely tuio interfaces that work with greasemonkey or some such, so I'm sure that's possible with raw osc
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[02:01] tktiddle: browser > socket > node > OSC > nanode
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[02:06] jesusabdullah: nanode?
[02:06] jesusabdullah: What is this.
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[02:07] jesusabdullah: This sounds really cool, tktiddle !
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[02:07] tktiddle: cheap ethernet PIC for Internet of things http://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/Project:Nanode
[02:07] jesusabdullah: Why osc, if you don't mind me asking?
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[02:07] tktiddle: jesusabdullah: thanks! hope I can get it to work!
[02:08] jesusabdullah: It sounds like you aren't working with osc-enabled instruments from here
[02:08] tktiddle: what else? theyres good libraries for arduion
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[02:08] tktiddle: osc library for arduino
[02:09] tktiddle: works with nanode
[02:09] jesusabdullah: I see
[02:09] jesusabdullah: My go-to probably would've been json over tcp or http
[02:10] cjheath: bmoordhuis: The wayt to detect that version thing appears to be the CPP macro __ENVIRONMENT_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MIN_REQUIRED__
[02:10] cjheath: which is defined to be 1058 on my 10.5.8 system
[02:10] cjheath: bnoordhuis: sorry got your name wrong
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[02:10] jesusabdullah: but I also say this without knowing a whole lot about arduino/nanode
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[02:11] jesusabdullah: tktiddle: So what are you gonna make with your nanodes?
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[02:14] bnoordhuis: cjheath: yes - the main problem is that it's not entirely clear when fdatasync became available
[02:15] mrryanjohnston: This statement should go near the beginning of every source file, close to the copyright notices.'
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[02:16] mrryanjohnston: Fffff. So I have to put the gpl notice in all of my source files then.
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[02:16] cjheath: bnoordhuis: I'm on the latest Leopard, 10.5.8, and it's not there. Almost everyone else is on Snow Leopard. amd I bet they all have it. Be a fair bet anyhow
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[02:18] bnoordhuis: cjheath: can you submit a patch?
[02:18] cjheath: Ahhh, ok, will look into it, shouldn't be hard
[02:18] bnoordhuis: cjheath: shouldn't it be __ENVIRONMENT_MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MIN_REQUIRED__ >= 1058
[02:18] cjheath: have to clean my checkout, I think I have merged fixes
[02:19] cjheath: Yes, > not >=
[02:19] bnoordhuis: ps, can you sign the cla when you submit the pull request?
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[02:19] bnoordhuis: i always have to ask people that :)
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[02:24] jamescarr: does heroku still not have the ability to use websockets???
[02:27] brainproxy: jamescarr: I think that's still the case, at least I read that again recently
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[02:27] jamescarr: brainproxy, wow
[02:27] cjheath: They do, but they have more than one stack. Make sure your app is in the right one
[02:28] brainproxy: http://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/node-js
[02:29] cjheath: Damn - Express wants {"node":">= 0.4.1 < 0.5.0"} - wont install using trunk node
[02:29] brainproxy: ^^ indicates web sock not supported in "Cedar" stack
[02:29] cjheath: Can I over-ride a packages version dependencies experimentally (force install)?
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[02:32] Archio: cjheath: Check this out: http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/s1-rpm-install-additional-options.html
[02:32] Archio: oops, sorry, that's rpm, not npm :P
[02:32] cjheath: :P
[02:32] cjheath: "npm install--help" doesn't
[02:33] Archio: npm install --force?
[02:34] cjheath: Nope
[02:34] Archio: hmm...
[02:34] cjheath: what does npm insyall 's -g option do? and why doesn't npm instyall--help list the install options?
[02:34] cjheath: sorry for typos, very cold hands
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[02:37] Ratty_: cjheath: global install rather that in ./node_modules
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[02:37] cjheath: ok
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[02:47] jerrysv: cjheath: try bricks.js instead
[02:48] cjheath: Just trying to get someone else's code going, but thx
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[02:54] tjholowaychuk: cjheath if npm doesnt have that feature it should
[02:54] abraxas: Does anyone here build client-side JS through NodeJS? And if so, what kind of approach do you use?
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[02:55] tjholowaychuk: would prevent a lot of explaining
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[02:56] cjheath: not just features, but every option should always be explained in --help
[02:56] tjholowaychuk: yeah
[02:56] tjholowaychuk: i find the help almost too verbose sometimes
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[02:57] tjholowaychuk: and not verbose enough in some spots
[02:57] cjheath: Have you looked at "npm install --help
[02:57] beezey: what's the coffee way of writing this out:  
[02:57] cjheath: ?
[02:57] beezey: io = require ('socket.io').listen 8080
[02:57] Chani: yep
[02:57] Chani: ...oh, I appear to be scrolled up. o.0
[02:57] cjheath: No options at all (hence my request about -g)
[02:58] tjholowaychuk: cjheath yeah that's no good
[02:58] cjheath: 
ACTION is new to node, not to dev or JS

[02:58] tjholowaychuk: if you dont need to use 0.5.x i would skip that for now though
[02:58] tjholowaychuk: unless you have a reason for using the unstable stuff
[02:58] Chani: I'm also misreading words. damnit. when is someone going to write a debugger for my brain? ;P
[02:59] cjheath: 
ACTION is, in fact, old enough to have become very opinionated about such things :P

[02:59] tjholowaychuk: but it *should* be easier to opt-in to using mods
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[02:59] Chani: abraxas: I wrote a client to test a server for a school assignment. not sure if that counts :)
[03:00] abraxas: Chani: I'm just curious about how people go about achieving this…. using a makefile, server side includes, …etc
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[03:01] Chani: oh, I didn't do anything so complicated as to need a makefile...
[03:02] Chani: even my server was just a handful of .js files that I sent with instructions on installing node.
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[03:03] tjholowaychuk: jesus
[03:03] tjholowaychuk: the bash bison grammar is huge
[03:03] tjholowaychuk: what a mess
[03:04] jamescarr: would it be cheating if I forked the express boilerplate app my mape and added my API keys?
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[03:04] jamescarr: s/my/by
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[03:04] jamescarr: before node knockout starts?
[03:05] tjholowaychuk: probably not, i think a few people wrote support libs before last time
[03:05] cjheath: Bash is a mess, b/c is extends the Boure shell which was a mess. Why is that such a surprise?
[03:05] tjholowaychuk: i dont know
[03:05] cjheath: * Bourne
[03:05] tjholowaychuk: cjheath haha i never peeked at the code
[03:06] cjheath: No, I mean the syntax is a mess, so of course the grammar is :)
[03:06] Chani: node knockout? :)
[03:06] tjholowaychuk: yeah, it must be much larger than i know because there's no reason the grammar should be ~7k
[03:06] Nexxy: you just don't do enough psychedelics to understand the syntax
[03:06] tjholowaychuk: LOC
[03:06] tjholowaychuk: haha
[03:06] tjholowaychuk: yeah it's pretty fucked up
[03:07] jamescarr: bash
[03:07] jamescarr: bah
[03:07] tjholowaychuk: some stuff is handy but the substitution stuff etc is retarded
[03:07] jamescarr: I use zsh with oh-my-zsh
[03:07] jamescarr: it really rocks
[03:07] Nexxy: we're talking about something that was written in the 1970's
[03:07] Nexxy: drugs are required for comprehension
[03:07] tjholowaychuk: esac
[03:07] tjholowaychuk: haha
[03:08] tjholowaychuk: ftw
[03:08] Nexxy: yeah exactly
[03:08] tjholowaychuk: i like ... the case statement
[03:08] tjholowaychuk: thats about it
[03:08] tjholowaychuk: -h|--help|help) etc is pretty slick
[03:08] bnoordhuis: any of you ever worked with csh or tcsh?
[03:08] tjholowaychuk: cant say i have
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[03:09] jerrysv: bnoordhuis: i grew up on csh, then went to tcsh when it emerged
[03:09] bnoordhuis: well, just be glad there's bash :)
[03:09] bnoordhuis: same here
[03:09] jerrysv: still go back to tcsh for loops sometimes
[03:09] bnoordhuis: i hate it with a passion now
[03:09] jerrysv: i don't mind it. use bash at this point, but no real preference
[03:09] cjheath: I worked with csh for a while, many years ago, when it was the only alternative to bourne shell (there was no ksh nor bash)
[03:09] jerrysv: can also slip in and out of vi/emacs with ease at this point
[03:09] cjheath: switched to ksh in about 1987
[03:10] cjheath: and bash after that
[03:10] jerrysv: but for serious work, i'll use awk/sed
[03:10] bnoordhuis: hah no, i've never grokked emacs
[03:10] jerrysv: ah, yes, way too much time in /sbin/sh and /bin/sh
[03:10] bnoordhuis: it's just... i've only two hands you know?
[03:10] jerrysv: back when /sbin meant static
[03:10] jamescarr: hmmmm
[03:11] jamescarr: wondering if we should go with linode or no.de
[03:11] bnoordhuis: no.de obviously
[03:11] jerrysv: jamescarr: no clue, i self-host
[03:11] jamescarr: jeremyselier, I usually self host, but I dont like the idea of spending ages putting together the instance
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[03:11] jamescarr: I could easily spend all night doing that when the competition starts
[03:12] jerrysv: oh, you mean for knockout
[03:12] jerrysv: n/m
[03:12] cjheath: bnoordhuis: pull request and cla sent
[03:13] bnoordhuis: cjheath: sweet, thanks
[03:13] bnoordhuis: i'll look at it tomorrow
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[03:14] jamescarr: awww
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[03:14] jamescarr: heroku and linode sent the invites out 
[03:14] jamescarr: joyent hasn't yet :(
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[03:14] jamescarr: I'm guessing our app would be comorichweb.no.de ?
[03:15] jamescarr: (setting up API keys
[03:15] bnoordhuis: jamescarr: yes
[03:15] Guest88426: hi, I have a weird issue with nodejs + socket.io. I posted on SO without any response yet: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7189849/javascript-scope-issue-or-nodejs-v8-bug 
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[03:17] bnoordhuis: Guest88426: try running your app with `NODE_DEBUG="net http" node app.js`
[03:18] bnoordhuis: socket.io probably has debug logging too
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[03:19] Guest88426: but the issue is very weird, it seems to loose some reference to an string. 
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[03:19] Guest88426: I can use socket.io perfectly until I try to send messages between different scopes
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[03:21] bnoordhuis: 
ACTION is off to bed

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[03:23] codehero: hi anybody running node on cygwin here?
[03:23] jamescarr: mape, thank you
[03:23] jamescarr: mape, that boilerplate express app is a true winnar
[03:23] Archio: I'm sure glad I'm not haha
[03:24] _numbers: why is this confusing to me? i can't envision how to chain things so that X and Y execute before Z. see example https://github.com/mikesmullin/buildr.npm/commit/7504b6a4aca62ba4b3ab1ccda71969d4dce849a7
[03:25] codehero: on cygwin, node apparently thinks that EST has 0 offset
[03:25] _numbers: what am i missing? i need a keyword to research
[03:25] codehero: 'Fri Aug 26 2011 01:49:46 GMT+0000 (EST)'
[03:25] jamescarr: codehero, doesn't surprise me
[03:26] codehero: why not?
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[03:27] tktiddle: How should i serve static files for a small web application?
[03:28] Eemouk: Does node express boilerplate contain  the html5 boilerplate?
[03:28] tjholowaychuk: tktiddle check out connect's static() middleware
[03:28] tjholowaychuk: tktiddle takes one line to set up
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[03:29] jamescarr: hmmmm
[03:30] jamescarr: is there something for redis like mongoose?
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[03:32] tktiddle: tjholowaychuk: looks good, thanks
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[03:32] sqpat: i need a little bit of help extending my app to run on multiple cpus (child_process.fork() i assume is the way to go)
[03:33] sqpat: its just a basic server process that accepts socket connections and does nothing with them for now
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[03:34] sqpat: you wouldn't want two processes listening on the same port, correct?
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[03:38] mrryanjohnston: First alpha release of RPS Node :) http://rpsnode.nodejitsu.com
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[03:38] tktiddle: what do i do :? http://fpaste.org/pXDN/
[03:38] jamescarr: rps node?
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[03:40] jamescarr: fun
[03:40] jamescarr: needs some chatting
[03:40] Archio: haha
[03:40] Archio: yeah
[03:41] AvianFlu: mrryanjohnston++
[03:41] v8bot_:  AvianFlu has given a beer to mrryanjohnston. mrryanjohnston now has 1 beers.
[03:41] catb0t: mrryanjohnston now has 1 beer
[03:41] jamescarr: also, I noticed I beat you in one instance when you chose paper, I chose rocks
[03:41] jamescarr: guess they're appllying the rock burns scissors rules :)
[03:41] mrryanjohnston: thanks, AvianFlu :)
[03:41] mrryanjohnston: also really, jamescarr ? that's weird
[03:42] Archio: Also, the bloop sounds seemed out of sync... could just be my browser though.
[03:42] Archio: Fun though ;)
[03:42] mrryanjohnston: sweet, thanks Archio ! :)
[03:42] tktiddle: night
[03:42] blueadept: anyone here use zappa? https://github.com/mauricemach/zappa
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[03:44] mrryanjohnston: welp, that's enough excitement for one day :) night
[03:44] justinTNT: 'mornin.
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[03:46] jamescarr: blueadept, eh, I am giving up on serverside coffee for a little while
[03:46] jamescarr: I like it, love the syntax...
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[03:46] jamescarr: but it kinda burned me lately
[03:47] Cybrix: I have a question but I don't know if it should be asked here or on a JS channel. Any reason why this: console.log( "<b>test</b> blablabla <b>test2</b>".match("(<b>.*?<\/b>)") ); gives [ '<b>test</b>', '<b>test</b>' ] instead of [ '<b>test</b>', '<b>test 2</b>' ]
[03:47] blueadept: jamescarr: how so?
[03:47] jamescarr: difficult debugging because it doesn't give me precise line numbers
[03:47] blueadept: yeah i know what you mean
[03:47] jamescarr: granted, I'd have to perform the step of compiling it down and then running the result to find the bugs
[03:48] jamescarr: s/bugs/fuckups
[03:48] jamescarr: I realized lately that calling self inflicted mistakes is only excused by calling them bugs ;)
[03:48] jamescarr: trying to stop calling them that
[03:48] blueadept: right now i'm trying to figure out how to refactor the way i write because of the closures on each separate file, zappa looks like something that has abstracted a bit of that away
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[03:49] blueadept: but all these tools are so unstable as it stands
[03:49] blueadept: i would very much like to write all my server side in coffee script though
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[03:49] blueadept: i'm attempting to power though it
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[03:50] blueadept: so far running up against a lot of walls at each turn. 
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[03:53] blueadept: wait, just figure out how zappa splits up files
[03:53] blueadept: see this is the thing, all these new tools have great ways of rethinking about how to build your app, its just you have to sink a bit of time into each new project. 
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[03:56] mike5w3c: I have a question about the felixge node-mysql api
[03:56] mike5w3c: ab
[03:56] mike5w3c: ou
[03:56] mike5w3c: t t
[03:56] mike5w3c: he
[03:56] mike5w3c:  
[03:56] mike5w3c: oops
[03:56] mike5w3c: (sorry)
[03:56] mike5w3c: about the 'end' event
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[03:57] mike5w3c: I see that the docs say, "In case there is no result set, a result parameter is provided which contains the information from the mysql OK packet."
[03:57] mike5w3c: but I'm not sure how to check the contents of that result parameter
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[04:04] chovy: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -luv
[04:04] chovy: collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[04:04] chovy: i'm getting this error when making on debian.
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[04:23] Nuck: 
ACTION yawns loudly

[04:24] justinTNT: 
ACTION chucks an apple

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[04:31] blueadept: Nuck: you should try out zappa, https://github.com/mauricemach/zappa
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[04:47] sqpat: for child_process.fork(modulePath, arguments, options) 
[04:47] sqpat: is arguments passed as a list or an associative array or something?
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[04:49] ryah: sqpat: array
[04:50] ryah: aka list
[04:50] sqpat: got it, thanks
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[06:03] fairwinds: hi, any recommendations for package for file and folder watching
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[06:13] chjj: web inspector console has a `clear()` function i just discovered
[06:13] chjj: how did i not know about this
[06:14] chjj: webkit inspector*
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[06:21] AvianFlu: fairwinds: http://github.com/mikeal/watch
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[06:35] krittick_: getting this error when doing make: 'PR_SET_NAME' was not declared in this scope 
[06:35] krittick_: using gcc 4.1.1 and 2.6+ kernel
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[06:48] kwk: Hi. Where can I find an RPM Specfile for NodeJS?
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[07:18] karlbright: Hey guys, looking for best way to do mock/stubs with nodeunit. Sinon-nodeunit or is there an alternative out there?
[07:18] karlbright: Or should i be looking at another TDD framework and why? expresso?
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[07:26] yikes: just upgraded t npm 10.27 from 0.2, after re-installing the packages I had before, as instructed, sudo npm ls, does not show any packages, but they are present and working ? any ideas?
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[07:28] yikes: #npm
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[07:31] [AD]Turbo: hi there
[07:31] karlbright: yo
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[07:51] Nexxy: is anyone using recurly.js? ;o
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[07:55] JakeyChan: yes :D
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[08:31] Glenjamin: karlbright: sinon + nodeunit would be my recommendation
[08:32] karlbright: Glenjamin: Cheers, have had another look into it and messing with options :)
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[08:33] eldios: is nesting the only way to use the output of a callback in another async function?
[08:33] eldios: nesting or events I mean
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[08:34] eldios: I need to use the output of an exec in another exec and I cannot find any other way than those two
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[08:38] Glenjamin: eldios: check out "async" on npm
[08:39] eldios: mmm thanks Glenjamin 
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[08:42] theCode: what's the best redis client for Node?
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[08:42] theCode: I checked the one named 'redis', it sucks
[08:43] theCode: inconsistent functionality, if it does even work
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[08:47] theCode: goddamnit, none of them seem to be supporting zrange
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[09:06] doctorm: Is anyone aware of a function that will decode a php session? I haven't had any luck finding one, and php.js' unserialize function doesn't work.
[09:07] doctorm: Nm, I found a couple php versions I can port.
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[09:09] CIA-69: libuv: 03Igor Zinkovsky 07fs * r0e322fa 10/ (13 files in 5 dirs): uv_fs & uv_work APIs - http://git.io/_Z5iWQ
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[09:09] karlbrigh: I need to stub out a method that is used within a constructor. Any better way than just Object.prototype.methodToStub = function... ? Surely there must be a better way?
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[09:11] Glenjamin: karlbrigh: have a look at sinonJS, maybe in combination with some explicit dependency injection if its a method on a different object
[09:11] karlbrigh: cheers again Glenjamin :)
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[09:11] groom: I'm hunting a bug. Can s.o. please point me to the source code of socket.end()?
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[09:31] japj: groom: it depends on which version of node you have
[09:31] groom: japj: 0.4.10
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[09:32] japj: groom: https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/v0.4.10/lib/net.js#L866
[09:33] groom: japj: thank you
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[10:14] chjj: does anyone here use showdown as their markdown parser? 
[10:14] chjj: i need to take a poll or something
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[10:16] CIA-69: libuv: 03Igor Zinkovsky 07master * re954b4c 10/ (vcbuild.bat create-msvs-files.bat): merge create_msvs_files.bat and vcbuild.bat into vcbuild.bat - http://git.io/qKAC8Q
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[10:49] Layke: What kind of a connection do I want to open from PHP if I want to send some event to my socket.io server. 
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[10:56] industrial: When are require()'s done? before runtime?
[10:56] H4ns: industrial: no, requre() is just a normal function.
[10:57] industrial: right
[10:57] H4ns: industrial: there is no such thing as "runtime" with javascript.
[10:57] H4ns: industrial: (if you want to contrast it with "compile time")
[10:58] industrial: well i was wondering if it might cache things to prevent unneeded loading
[10:58] H4ns: industrial: it does.
[10:58] industrial: okay, thats fine then
[10:58] industrial: so if I include file A from B and C, file A will only run once?
[10:58] Layke: Does this actually exist? http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.5.0/api/dgram.html
[10:58] H4ns: industrial: no.  caching is per using module.
[10:58] Layke: Iḿ trying to allow PHP to send messages to my node.js server.
[10:59] Layke: Would this be the correct way?
[10:59] SubStack: industrial: correct
[10:59] SubStack: H4ns: what
[10:59] H4ns: SubStack: no?
[10:59] H4ns: SubStack: then i've misinterpreted the documentation, let me check
[10:59] SubStack: 
ACTION performs an experiment

[10:59] Nexxy: SubStack, it is 4AM young man don't you have school in the morning?!
[10:59] H4ns: SubStack: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.11/api/all.html#require
[11:00] H4ns: SubStack: i thought this was clear, but i'm not a native english speaker, so i might be wrong.
[11:00] Nexxy: H4ns, if it means anything you type english better than many native speakers
[11:00] industrial: "Modules are cached after the first time they are loaded. This means (among other things) that every call to require('foo') will get exactly the same object returned, if it would resolve to the same file."
[11:00] industrial: 
ACTION should read the docs

[11:00] H4ns: Nexxy: thanks, but still.
[11:00] SubStack: H4ns: I'm confirming my initial claim that A will only run once
[11:00] SubStack: I'll gist it
[11:01] H4ns: SubStack: so you are saying the documentation is misleading when it says that require "is local to each module"?
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[11:02] SubStack: https://gist.github.com/1173193
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[11:02] SubStack: H4ns: the cache is global
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[11:02] H4ns: SubStack: ok.  then i'd say that the documentation is not clear, but it may be me.
[11:03] H4ns: industrial: sorry for the false info :/
[11:03] dominictarr: if npm installs a module multiple times (possible, as npm supports version conficts) you can got two versions of the same module, which runs the modules twice
[11:03] Nexxy: require with node is moar liek require_once
[11:03] Nexxy: from what I can tell anyway
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[11:04] SubStack: dominictarr: I've got ansi progress bars working in testling now when you curl -T a file to it
[11:04] dominictarr: it saves the cache[absolute path] = exports object  
[11:04] industrial: H4ns: hey np
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[11:05] industrial: Anyone have an open source project that uses NodeJS, Connect, Express and a key/value store? I'm interested in your file structure =)
[11:06] dominictarr: sweet! 
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[11:07] dominictarr: that reminds me, I need a brief description of testing for the talk, 
[11:08] dominictarr: I could give them a description of what I think testling is, but I'd just like to make sure the description vaguely resembles tho description.
[11:09] SubStack: testling is a service that lets you run javascript tests in all browsers
[11:10] SubStack: without installing anything
[11:10] SubStack: unless you want to
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[11:35] anubhaw: can someone please explain me the reasoning behind it : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6645796/node-js-performance-with-zeromq-vs-python-vs-java . I myself tested this code on my local machine and found python code to be twice faster than node.js code
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[11:38] Lorentz: anubhaw: Who knows
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[11:40] anubhaw: Lorentz: I expected node.js to be performing better than java/python particularly in this case
[11:41] chjj: anubhaw: is that a zeromq binding?
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[11:41] anubhaw: chjj: yes
[11:42] chjj: anubhaw: as far as i know the crossover between js and linked machine code, or "c++ land" is fairly expensive
[11:43] chjj: i have no idea how that binding is written, but judging node based on a third party module doesnt seem to be the best to way go about doing it
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[11:44] chjj: if you were instead judging it by nodes native tcp interface, then i might be concerned
[11:45] Lorentz: And really, does it matter, you're putting the cart before the horse.
[11:45] Lorentz: Write app first. Then compare. There's no point to compare it like that, there's always time for optimisation.
[11:45] Lorentz: That's not even counting how different things are.
[11:46] anubhaw: chjj: zeromq node binding used is pretty common one . but I somewhat agree to your point. looks like I need to do some tetsing with native tcp interface.
[11:47] chjj: anubhaw: that would be better, i would be interested to see that
[11:48] chjj: but a lot of the time, c++ bindings to v8 can be slow, its better to write most things in JS
[11:48] anubhaw: Lorentz: The performance hit claimed in that post is pretty high. Moreover I wanted to do some research/ get others views before I actually make technology decision.
[11:49] anubhaw: chjj: thanks for your input. I'll try out that 
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[11:49] chjj: anubhaw: i think it might be part of the reason most popular database bindings to node are written in pure JS
[11:49] chjj: not only do people not want to compile things
[11:49] chjj: but it actually has the potential to be faster
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[11:50] chjj: i think ry gave a talk about this a while back, when coding the buffer objects for node, he noticed that they were actually *a lot* faster if he wrote most everything in JS as opposed to c++
[11:51] chjj: so he did what he needed to in c++ land, but mostly implemented everything else in JS
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[11:52] chjj: if bnoordhuis or someone were here they might be able to give you a more thorough explanation
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[12:50] industrial: I don't understand, from the NodeJS 0.4.10 docs, how do send a request body with http.request().
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[12:50] industrial: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.10/api/http.html#http.request
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[12:51] industrial: oh, right
[12:51] industrial: write data do it.
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[12:53] jamescarr: quick question
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[12:58] bnoordhuis: jamescarr: quick answer
[12:58] japj: how quick?
[12:58] jamescarr: got disconnected. Does joyent offer email servers in their offerings? :)
[12:58] japj: lol
[12:58] jamescarr: bnoordhuis, :)
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[12:58] jamescarr: trying to stake out how we can use email quickly in the KO
[12:58] japj: isn't there a nodejs email server?
[12:58] jamescarr: I mean, send email from our applications
[12:59] bnoordhuis: jamescarr: you can run mail servers on no.de instances
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[12:59] jamescarr: bnoordhuis, nice!
[12:59] bnoordhuis: jamescarr: i think they come installed with a mail daemon running but don't quote me on that 
[13:00] DrMcKay: um, that reminded me that I was supposed to roll out a RESTful e-mail protocol...
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[13:00] DrMcKay: and my productivity is gone.
[13:00] japj: isn't there a #joyent channel aswell?
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[13:00] bnoordhuis: japj: yes
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[13:00] kylejginavan: great opportunity for someone to test their node skills.  http://jobs.nodejs.org/a/jbb/job-details/549161
[13:01] micheil: jamescarr: I think there's also a service that does mail that's free for contestants to use
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[13:02] jamescarr: micheil, oh?
[13:02] micheil: http://nodeknockout.com/services
[13:02] japj: why does the jobs section on nodejs contain html javascript viruses?
[13:02] micheil: will tell you what you can use
[13:02] DrMcKay: japj: ?
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[13:03] DrMcKay: also, this jobs thing needs a bit of love.
[13:03] japj: according to avira it "Contains recognition pattern of the HTML/Crypted.Gen HTML script virus"
[13:03] DrMcKay: it's simply ugly.
[13:04] jamescarr: dont see any mail services on the services page
[13:04] DrMcKay: japj: I don't see anything like that in the code
[13:04] jamescarr: plus a lot of the ones we heard about arent even listed
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[13:31] evg: Hello. Can anybody help me with Error inheritance?
[13:31] evg: http://pastebin.com/yq4SWx9A
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[13:33] bnoordhuis: evg: .apply doesn't work with constructors
[13:33] bnoordhuis: evg: or rather, it's complicated
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[13:34] evg: bnoordhuis: it does for primitive A, B classes
[13:34] evg: But it doesn't for internal Error class
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[13:35] evg: of course, not _class_ but _function_
[13:35] bnoordhuis: evg: yes, you're right - that's why i added that disclaimer :)
[13:35] evg: so what is the best approach to extend Error?
[13:35] bnoordhuis: well
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[13:36] Sembiance: node has 8,828 watchers on github.  jquery has 8,901   Everyone go to https://github.com/joyent/node  and click watch, let's try and beat jQuery ;)
[13:36] bnoordhuis: i think that one of the reasons that we don't extend Error in core is that the semantics are icky
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[13:36] bnoordhuis: stuff like stack traces don't always work right and such
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[13:36] evg: bnoordhuis: so? should I thrown an instance of my own class?
[13:37] evg: * throw
[13:37] evg: like "Exception" or whatever
[13:37] bnoordhuis: evg: in node core we just throw Error and be done with it
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[13:38] evg: bnoordhuis: probably checking err.name is the way
[13:38] evg: cuz I need to return a different code depending on an error type
[13:39] evg: 404 or 500, for instance
[13:39] evg: I make a REST API, I didn't say.
[13:39] evg: http://expressjs.com/guide.html#error-handling confused me
[13:39] evg: they extend Error
[13:39] evg: but their way also doesn't work
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[13:41] bnoordhuis: evg: you'll probably have to tinker with Error.captureStackTrace()
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[13:44] NodeBleed: Getting 504 gateway timeout with nginx in front of node.ks
[13:44] NodeBleed: Help! :<
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[13:44] evg: bnoordhuis: ok, thank you
[13:45] industrial: with the NodeJS https.request(), how do I give it a content length?
[13:45] Sembiance: NodeBleed: pastebin/gist your nginx config and maybe the relevant port/address info from your node.js startup
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[13:46] NodeBleed: ok
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[13:49] NodeBleed: Sembiance: https://gist.github.com/1173437
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[13:51] NodeBleed: Higher timeout?
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[13:52] ablomen: NodeBleed, on a side note, wont setting headers from ngx interfere with setting headers from node?
[13:53] NodeBleed: dunno
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[13:54] Sembiance: NodeBleed: looking at your config...
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[13:55] NodeBleed: I know it's a bit unorthodox :>
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[13:58] Sembiance: NosBleed: it looks ok to me, here is what I'm using in production https://gist.github.com/1173452
[13:59] Sembiance: NodeBleed: any /node/* requests end up going to my node.js server listening locally on port 7714
[13:59] NodeBleed: ?
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[13:59] NodeBleed: Ah
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[14:01] Sembiance: NodeBleed: have you examined your firebug/chrome network tab? to see which HTTP headers are sent, and which are received? have you looked at your nginx error/access logs to see what it thought of the request?
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[14:01] Sembiance: NodeBleed: have you verified whether or not the request is actually getting to your node server or not?
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[14:04] NodeBleed: Sembiance: What does  proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $proxy_add_x_forwarded_for do?
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[14:04] hopbit: test
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[14:08] Sembiance: NodeBleed: well, since nginx is acting like a proxy here, it ensures that node.js has access to the original IP address of the client. SeE: http://wiki.nginx.org/HttpProxyModule#.24proxy_add_x_forwarded_for
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[14:09] NodeBleed: Sembiance: Does that help prevent 504 errors?
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[14:10] Sembiance: NodeBleed: depends on how your node.js server is configured, but likely they are unrelated. You should determine whether nginx or node.js is returning the 504 and then figure out why :)
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[14:11] Sembiance: NodeBleed: take a look at the HTTP headers sent/received by using the Firebug or chrome 'net' panels. that can give a good hint. Also examine the nginx logs (both error and access) and also add some console.log() statements in your node.js server to determine if the request is even getting there or not
[14:11] NodeBleed: right
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[14:17] DrMcKay: TheJH: it doesn't rain here, but AFAIK, Warsaw is taking massive rain hit as well
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[14:18] DrMcKay: fuck, do you guys know any scripts to make IRSSI less pain?
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[14:18] zgryw: DrMcKay: as for now, there is no rain here in Warsaw, as well as it doesn't look like raining today...
[14:19] DrMcKay: zgryw: oh, you're in Warsaw? in news I've seen few flooded streets 
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[14:20] zgryw: DrMcKay: yeah, last few days where a bit "rainy", escpecially in the evenings...
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[14:21] DrMcKay: zgryw: I knew TVN24 lies :D
[14:22] DrMcKay: (or maybe it was me not paying attention)
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[14:22] steveheyes: hi there
[14:22] DrMcKay: zgryw: anyway, your streets aren't flooded?
[14:23] steveheyes: I was wondering if anyone could help me with a problem
[14:23] zgryw: i didn't see any, but also, i'm not living near the flooded-by-every-little-rain areas
[14:23] steveheyes: i'm using the code over at https://gist.github.com/911289
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[14:23] steveheyes: but keep getting a error message: TwitterNode parser error: Object #<Manager> has no method 'broadcast'
[14:23] steveheyes: wondered if anyone could help?
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[14:24] steveheyes: i know it's a socket.io issue but their irc channel was hugely helpful
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[14:26] DrMcKay: steveheyes: I'm not sure if that's how you should be constructing this socket
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[14:26] steveheyes: right
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[14:26] steveheyes: how do you mean?
[14:27] steveheyes: (thanks for the input :) )
[14:27] DrMcKay: wait, no, you're doing it right
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[14:28] steveheyes: lol
[14:29] DrMcKay: no, you're doing it right
[14:29] steveheyes: ok. so any idea why i'm getting the error?
[14:30] DrMcKay: (also, you guys may want to ignore me today, I'm being incompatible with rest of the world)
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[14:32] DrMcKay: also, anyone attending devmeeting in Poznań here?
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[14:33] wink_: steveheyes: try to let socket.io handle the server creation instead of doing it manually and see if that removes the error, it'll at least let you narrow it down a little
[14:33] wink_: but i think thats likely where things are jumping the rails
[14:34] steveheyes: ok cool. How do i do that?
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[14:35] wink_: line 18 of your gist, just give it a port number instead of the http server object, comment that bit out and see if it still blows up
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[14:35] wink_: comment that bit out = the createserver/listen call
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[14:35] TheJH: huh? what kind of topic is that?
[14:35] TheJH: can someone explain it to me?
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[14:38] DrMcKay: TheJH: this won't work: https://gist.github.com/911289
[14:38] steveheyes: nope, still didn't worked and produced the error
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[14:38] wink_: regist it please
[14:39] steveheyes: https://gist.github.com/1173539
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[14:39] TheJH: DrMcKay, what's that?
[14:39] wink_: steveheyes: thats the same gist?
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[14:40] steveheyes: how do you mean regist it?
[14:40] wink_: let me see what it looks like now that you've changed it :p
[14:40] steveheyes: i'm using that code
[14:40] steveheyes: and it doesn't work
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[14:40] DrMcKay: TheJH: steveheyes' code
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[14:41] DrMcKay: steveheyes: explain it to TheJH, he may work something out
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[14:41] wink_: steveheyes: i just added a comment, try that version
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[14:42] steveheyes: nope, still get TwitterNode parser error: Object #<Manager> has no method 'broadcast'
[14:43] dingomanatee: Here is the data I am storing (for above question) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7206413/monngo-is-taking-a-huge-amount-of-space-to-save-this-data
[14:43] dingomanatee: do these numbers seem out of whack to anyone else?
[14:43] dingomanatee: sorry missend
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[14:43] steveheyes: TheJH: I'm using teh code in the gist to get twitter stream to work. But I keep getting the same error message: "TwitterNode parser error: Object #<Manager> has no method 'broadcast'"
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[14:44] TheJH: steveheyes, what does this say? console.log(socket.constructor.name + ' ' + Object.keys(socket))
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[14:45] steveheyes: it says "Manager server,namespaces,sockets,settings,handshaken,connected,open,closed,closedA,rooms,roomClients,oldListeners,_events,gc"
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[14:46] TheJH: steveheyes, https://github.com/LearnBoost/socket.io says you need socket.broadcast.emit or so
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[14:46] steveheyes: sorry could you re paste that link
[14:47] steveheyes: i had a bit of issue with my irc channel!
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[14:47] TheJH: steveheyes, https://github.com/LearnBoost/socket.io says you need socket.broadcast.emit or so
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[14:48] steveheyes: again, sorry, can you repaste the link?
[14:48] steveheyes: thanks :D
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[14:59] dingomanatee: I have a long array of signed ints - what is the best way to compress it into a binary lump of data?
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[15:01] DrMcKay: dingomanatee: compress or just serialize?
[15:01] dingomanatee: serialize. 
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[15:01] dingomanatee: I am storing an array of 128 x 128 ints and it is choking the s**t onto fmongo
[15:02] DrMcKay: dingomanatee: oh, sure it does
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[15:02] dingomanatee: I just want to store them in the same packed format as I'm getting them in the first place.
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[15:02] TheJH: dingomanatee, well, then don't deserialize them?
[15:02] DrMcKay: dingomanatee: you could just use their binary representation
[15:02] dingomanatee: I am getting them in chunks of 5,000 x 11, 0000 ints 
[15:02] dingomanatee: 11,000 that is
[15:02] dingomanatee: This is Martian terrain. 
[15:03] Sembiance: dingomanatee: just save them in the same format you get them in?
[15:03] dingomanatee: I want to work on smaller units of information. 
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[15:03] context: thats 55 million ints
[15:03] Sembiance: dingomanatee: as far as saving to disk, decide whether you want speed or compression. if speed: http://code.google.com/p/snappy/
[15:03] DrMcKay: Sembiance++
[15:03] v8bot_:  DrMcKay has given a beer to Sembiance. Sembiance now has 2 beers.
[15:03] catb0t: Sembiance now has 1 beer
[15:03] dingomanatee: yeah that is what I was hoping for
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[15:04] DrMcKay: dingomanatee: also, are you sure that Mongo is the right database for you?
[15:04] dingomanatee: not at this point - not for this purpose 
[15:05] DrMcKay: dingomanatee: so why are you using it?
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[15:05] dingomanatee: Well, its probably better than MySQL for this purpose - and I think the data is just too big for couch. 
[15:06] Sembiance: dingomanatee: if you want to store more structured data... maybe http://code.google.com/p/protobuf/
[15:06] dingomanatee: someone suggested Redis - that would be my next experiment. 
[15:06] DrMcKay: dingomanatee: well, Redis might fit beter
[15:06] Sembiance: dingomanatee: that was me, but redis only makes sense if your data set fits in RAM and you need blazing fast access to it (and even better if you change the data once in a while)
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[15:06] dingomanatee: I'm actually thinking of just storing the binary data back to the file system. 
[15:06] DrMcKay: dingomanatee: but +1 for experimenting :)
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[15:06] dingomanatee: I don't think tit will. 
[15:07] Sembiance: dingomanatee: I don't know enough about how the data is being used to really suggest what might be best to store it in
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[15:08] dingomanatee: I'm making WebGL terrain out of it. but at this point the data is still very coarse - I am likely going to take it and interpolate up to 16 times more data from this binary chunk
[15:08] CIA-69: node: 03koichik 07master * r43cdbec 10/ test/simple/test-tls-client-abort.js : 
[15:08] CIA-69: node: test: simple/test-tls-client-abort fails on SunOS
[15:08] CIA-69: node: Fixes #1583. - http://git.io/qoBzjQ
[15:08] Sembiance: dingomanatee: got a link? sounds like something neat to look at
[15:08] dingomanatee: So I of course find it disturbing that the coarse grained data is taking 5MB to store!
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[15:09] dingomanatee: https://gist.github.com/1173528 is the raw data dump
[15:09] dingomanatee: I think I just need to put it back in a file buffer and save it in file chunks. 
[15:10] Sembiance: dingomanatee: well with all those integers, mongodb is almost certainly not the correct storage choice.
[15:10] DrMcKay: dingomanatee: it seems like it definitely won't fit right into Mongo
[15:10] dingomanatee: yeah. 
[15:11] dingomanatee: I need it in 2d arrays when I process it but I guess I'll have to unpack it every time I need it 
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[15:11] DrMcKay: dingomanatee: can you fit your algorithms into mapreduce?
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[15:11] Sembiance: dingomanatee: well if your goal is to output something with WebGL, you should pre-convert this data into whatever format you can most easily work with to display with WebGL. Then just chunk that up and save it, probably as snappy encoded files
[15:12] dingomanatee: Probably. But if the end product is still massively wasteful I might as well just stick to binary blocks of data in files. 
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[15:12] dingomanatee: Snappy will be nice, as there is bound to be a lot of repetition of values. 
[15:13] dingomanatee: however snappy seems string oriented. 
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[15:14] Sembiance: dingomanatee: seems like you have enough info/answers now to go and start coding up some stuff
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[15:15] dingomanatee: yeah … thanks. I was kind of hoping that I could store the data in arrays so I could do array operations on terrain points in Mongo but this seems like an unhealthy path to go down. 
[15:16] dingomanatee: It was less stupid than storing each point in a Mongo record… that was pretty scary !
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[15:17] DrMcKay: dingomanatee: how long did it take to insert :D ?
[15:17] dingomanatee: days. 
[15:17] dingomanatee: Currently the model I gist'd is about 40% done - and its been running all week!
[15:18] dingomanatee: <-- is a sad panda
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[15:18] dingomanatee: Well, yo ho ho, its the binary life for me!
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[15:19] sorensen: nice
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[15:20] DrMcKay: well, I would killall mongod if I had to wait days for it to insert
[15:20] dingomanatee: Stupid Mars.</homer>
[15:21] DrMcKay: :D
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[15:27] dingomanatee: The sick part is the data is stored cartographically - meaning the 25% of the data at the poles takes as much space as the 50% of the data in the equator - thinking of recompressing it into a square, like Bizarro's home world. 
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[15:29] killfill: anyone uses node with freebsd?
[15:29] bnoordhuis: killfill: yes
[15:30] killfill: bnoordhuis: you think its a likee slower than linux?
[15:30] DrMcKay: dingomanatee: geocouch maybe?
[15:30] elijah-mbp: dingomanatee, maybe stuff it into postgresql with one of the postgis-compatible data storage forms?
[15:31] CoverSlide: according to benchmarks its slower than linux
[15:31] elijah-mbp: if it's really terrain data and you're going to do surface-like operations on it....
[15:31] CoverSlide: iirc
[15:31] bnoordhuis: killfill: i don't think it is, i *know* it is
[15:31] CoverSlide: but that depends on which benchmark you looked at
[15:31] CoverSlide: but it'll probably be more stable
[15:31] bnoordhuis: killfill: working on it but freebsd has lower priority than linux obviously
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[15:31] DrMcKay: now I feel like installing few VMs and benchmarking node on them
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[15:32] Glenjamin: i'd say thats not going to be your bottleneck
[15:32] Glenjamin: ever
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[15:32] dingomanatee: Your results will be virtually indisputable :D
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[15:32] killfill: bnoordhuis: ooh, i alwais thought ab was somehow cracked up. i just uses blitz.io and like on 100 concurrent users, the thing begins to stress 
[15:32] Glenjamin: and you'll probably en up deploying on virtualised hardware anyway
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[15:32] DrMcKay: dingomanatee: :D
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[15:33] Glenjamin: presumably freebsd ~= OS X for that sort of thing
[15:33] bnoordhuis: killfill: what do your libuv `make bench` numbers look like?
[15:33] bnoordhuis: killfill: cd deps/uv && make bench
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[15:34] killfill: Glenjamin: yah, i actually have an osx in home. alwais thought ab was bad, or the nodejs version i was using.. :P
[15:34] killfill: never thought there was a prob on *bsd.. :P
[15:34] killfill: 
ACTION recompilling node

[15:35] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: btw, why don't you make uv a git submodule? (just curious)
[15:35] killfill: bnoordhuis: is there a place where this problem is reported? or could i track the progress... im a bsd user.. :P
[15:35] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: because git submodules suck balls
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[15:35] bnoordhuis: killfill: there's a freebsd tag in joyent/node's issue tracker
[15:35] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: fair enough.
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[15:36] bnoordhuis: pardon my french btw
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[15:41] DrMcKay: vim highlights text between different HTML tags in different ways or is it just VTE going crazy?
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[15:48] DrMcKay: .. ++[[]][+[]]+[+[]]
[15:48] catb0t: '10'
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[15:48] Glenjamin: haha
[15:48] DrMcKay: seriously, JavaScript?
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[15:48] DrMcKay: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7202157
[15:48] Glenjamin: if that sort of thing is causing problems in your code
[15:48] Glenjamin: you're writing weird code
[15:49] DrMcKay: Glenjamin: this is my whole script :D
[15:49] DrMcKay: I think I will actually start using this kind of expressions...
[15:49] Glenjamin: exactly
[15:49] Glenjamin: there's a bunch of weird gotchas, but clean code should never really hit them
[15:50] Glenjamin: the only one that screws me over is:
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[15:50] Glenjamin: .. var a; 'text' + a
[15:50] catb0t: 'textundefined'
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[15:50] DrMcKay: oh... I could write an array like that and then convert it to ASCII and eval it
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[15:51] DrMcKay: Glenjamin: that's worse:
[15:51] DrMcKay: .. [1,2] == [1,2]
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[15:51] catb0t: false
[15:51] killfill: hmm.. dont have deps/uv..
[15:51] bnoordhuis: killfill: 0.4.x or 0.5.x?
[15:51] killfill: yah 4, getting 5 now
[15:52] bnoordhuis: killfill: you can get libuv directly at joyent/libuv
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[15:52] killfill: ill just install 5
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[15:53] Glenjamin: DrMcKay: you can cheat a bit depending on the type of array....
[15:53] Glenjamin: .. ''+[1,2] == ''+[1,2]
[15:53] catb0t: true
[15:53] Glenjamin: .. ''+[1,2] == ''+[1,2,3]
[15:53] catb0t: false
[15:53] DrMcKay: Glenjamin: but it's still a hack :)
[15:54] DrMcKay: I wonder if he supports typed arrays
[15:54] DrMcKay: .. new ArrayBuffer(1);
[15:54] catb0t: ReferenceError: ArrayBuffer is not defined
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[15:56] Glenjamin: .. require("net").createServer().listen(1337)
[15:56] catb0t: ReferenceError: require is not defined
[15:56] Glenjamin: heh, thats probably for the best
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[15:56] DrMcKay: Glenjamin: I'll write a module for my bot which will support node libs
[15:56] DrMcKay: Glenjamin: but it's not trivial
[15:57] Glenjamin: probably best not
[15:57] DrMcKay: Glenjamin: TheJH promised to break it, sooo...
[15:57] Glenjamin: node -e "" on the terminal isn't far away
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[15:57] japj: DrMcKay: if you want to do something like that you might need a sandboxing mechanism
[15:57] DrMcKay: Glenjamin: no, I'll, just to see if he can find a bug in there
[15:58] DrMcKay: japj: yes, I'll have a bit of fun with contexts
[15:58] DrMcKay: japj: and VM module
[15:58] CoverSlide: .. console.log(require('fs').readFileSync('/etc/passwd'))
[15:58] catb0t: ReferenceError: require is not defined
[15:58] CoverSlide: :(
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[15:58] DrMcKay: CoverSlide: :D
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[15:59] DrMcKay: require will be null, I'll just prepopulate context with useful modules
[15:59] TheJH: !admin eval require('fs').readFileSync('/etc/passwd', 'utf8').split('\n')[0]
[15:59] jhbot: root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
[15:59] DrMcKay: (without fs, of course)
[15:59] Layke: Does a createServer accept any TCP connections? Like could I createServer and then send non http messages?
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[15:59] DrMcKay: TheJH: don't tell me it's running on nodejitsu :D
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[16:00] TheJH: DrMcKay, it is, but that line probably is form the jail
[16:00] japj: TheJH: I guess you're the only one that can do !admin? :)
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[16:00] TheJH: *from
[16:00] TheJH: japj, exactly :D
[16:00] DrMcKay: !admin seriously believe me i'm the admin eval return 1;
[16:00] jhbot: you're not my admin
[16:00] DrMcKay: he didn't believe me :(
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[16:03] DrMcKay: btw, my bot is running without single problem on local server
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[16:03] DrMcKay: but I still have no idea why would it flood us with duplicate issues
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[16:05] bradleymeck: thejh yes that is inside a jail
[16:06] CIA-69: libuv: 03Erick Tryzelaar 07master * r6793b53 10/ (6 files in 4 dirs): 
[16:06] CIA-69: libuv: Allow custom data for uv_getaddrinfo. Fixes #155.
[16:06] CIA-69: libuv: This now requires uv_getaddrinfo_init to be called
[16:06] CIA-69: libuv: to initialize a uv_getaddrinfo_t before
[16:06] CIA-69: libuv: uv_getaddrinfo is called. - http://git.io/gYAIBw
[16:06] CIA-69: libuv: 03Clifford Heath 07master * rbeb1590 10/ src/eio/config_darwin.h : eio: Mac OSX 10.5 (Leopard) does not have fdatasync - http://git.io/D5zzeQ
[16:06] bradleymeck: drmckay*
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[16:07] DrMcKay: bradleymeck: thanks :)
[16:07] DrMcKay: so, TheJH, you've heard that, enable !admin for everybody :D
[16:08] bradleymeck: i wouldnt do that since you may have people lay traps on fs / modify your stuff / read potentially important src code etc.
[16:08] kenperkins: :P
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[16:08] CoverSlide: !admin exec "require('child_process').exec('shutdown -P')"
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[16:08] jhbot: you're not my admin
[16:08] DrMcKay: bradleymeck: shhh... ;)
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[16:08] CIA-69: libuv: 03Clifford Heath 07master * r835782a 10/ src/eio/config_darwin.h : eio: Mac OSX 10.5 (Leopard) does not have fdatasync - http://git.io/CFHRPQ
[16:11] CIA-69: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r5e765fe 10/ (deps/uv/src/eio/config_darwin.h deps/uv/vcbuild.bat): uv: upgrade to 835782a - http://git.io/0195bQ
[16:11] killfill: bnoordhuis: http://pastebin.com/xKG6yHnn   dont know what it means really..
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[16:13] eldios: how do I "return" stdout from an exec?
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[16:14] eldios: it succesfully does console.log .. or any other callback I give it
[16:14] eldios: but it seems that return is not an option
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[16:14] eldios: whhyyyyyyy... oh whyyyyyy
[16:14] CoverSlide: you don't return in callbacks
[16:14] CoverSlide: usually at leasy
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[16:14] eldios: but I need to use the result of the stdout outside of the cb
[16:15] CoverSlide: then write a function outside the cb that uses stdout
[16:15] CoverSlide: and call that in the cb
[16:15] bnoordhuis: killfill: afk now but back in an hour or two
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[16:15] bnoordhuis: killfill: i suspect you're running an older 0.5.x version though, it's missing a number of tests
[16:15] eldios: CoverSlide, I made a function called returnIt
[16:16] eldios: which returns the argument you give it
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[16:16] eldios: and that doesn't work :P
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[16:17] TheJH: DrMcKay, I'm not that stupid :D - you could make my bot spam the channel :D
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[16:18] bradleymeck: eldios it doesnt return, it passes it along, that how async programming works, in order to prevent wait locking you use continuation style passing and callbacks generally
[16:18] CoverSlide: I probably wouldn't make it spam the channel, I'd probably have it try to brute-force into the CIA or something
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[16:19] DrMcKay: CoverSlide: we already set up a node-chat there, don't you remember?
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[16:19] CoverSlide: of course!
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[16:20] softdrink: poor yoric. i knew him well.
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[16:22] Archio: I knew him, softdrink; a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy; he hath borne me on his back a thousand times...
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[16:23] eldios: bradwright, CoverSlide here --> https://gist.github.com/1173788
[16:23] killfill: bnoordhuis: dont know if it helps, but http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/bsdd.png/
[16:23] eldios: this *shoud* work... 
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[16:23] CoverSlide: eldios: nay, it shan't
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[16:24] eldios: indeed it works not.. 
[16:24] eldios: as a matter of fat it kinda works only in my mind :)
[16:24] killfill: maybes its my bw tho.
[16:24] eldios: lulz
[16:24] eldios: matter f fact*
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[16:25] softdrink: one more time eldios 
[16:25] eldios: matter of fact*
[16:25] eldios: \o/
[16:25] softdrink: well done, sir
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[16:27] CoverSlide: well for one thing, listGrms never returns anything, but that doesn't matter
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[16:27] eldios: cause since exec it's async it is in charge of return-ing anything
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[16:28] eldios: theoretically
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[16:29] DrMcKay: would it be responsible to propose node.js for Fedora packaging?
[16:29] CoverSlide: with an async function, you have to have a callback, it just doesn't do anything without one
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[16:30] CoverSlide: so you really shouldn't have a use-case where cbk is undefined
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[16:31] CoverSlide: also, if(typeof cbk === 'function') is much better at detecting whether a variable is a function, because it it's a number, you'll have a TypeError
[16:32] eldios: oof
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[16:32] eldios: you're right
[16:32] eldios: I'll change that now
[16:32] eldios: I upadted the gist meanwhile
[16:32] CoverSlide: so I'd catch that before the call to exec at all
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[16:33] eldios: ok
[16:33] eldios: updated again
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[16:38] eldios: CoverSlide, no.. I don't want to catch it *before* the exec
[16:38] eldios: since if it's a function
[16:38] jergason: hello node friends
[16:38] eldios: then you should exec the cb
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[16:38] eldios: instead if there's no cb supplied
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[16:38] eldios: the stdout should be simply returned
[16:38] eldios: (and this is the part which is not working)
[16:38] CoverSlide: but if there is no cb supplied, then the function does nothing
[16:39] CoverSlide: because you can't return from an async function
[16:39] CoverSlide: it is just simply impossible
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[16:39] CoverSlide: that's the nature of async programming
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[16:39] eldios: eh.. that's the "problem" I'm trying to workaround
[16:39] CoverSlide: there is no workaround
[16:39] CoverSlide: whatever you want to do with stdout, you write in the callback
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[16:40] CoverSlide: because returning things only works synchronously, not asynchronously
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[16:40] CoverSlide: and there is no synchronous way to go about what you're trying to do
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[16:41] eldios: mmm I see
[16:41] eldios: welll I'l try to do a few more cbs
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[16:42] eldios: then if nothing comes up.. I supposeI can try with the eventEmitter way
[16:42] dwt: Hi there, I got referred here from #coffeescript. My goal is to find a way to generate CoffeeScript classes at runtime, without eval, while still controlling their name
[16:42] dwt: Something like
[16:42] dwt: name = "fnord"
[16:42] eldios: which would probably be heavier and clumsier but possibly more effective and powerful
[16:42] dwt: class "#{name}" extends Backbone.Collection
[16:42] dwt: (which doesn't work sadly)
[16:42] dwt: Can anybody give me a hint?
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[16:44] eldios: thank you CoverSlide 
[16:44] eldios: gotta go =)
[16:44] eldios: bye
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[16:58] kenperkins: is there a current test framework favorite?
[16:58] plombardi: Question, doing the install on the git page but i get the an issue with Python running this command "./configure --prefix=$HOME/local/node" I'm assuming this is because my default Python interpreter is v3.x and not 2.x what can I do to rectify this?
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[17:00] DrMcKay: plombardi: gist your output, but I believe that node-waf doesn't work with 3.x
[17:01] DrMcKay: kenperkins: I like node-unit and vows
[17:01] kenperkins: what about straight api tests (not web api, but code api)
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[17:10] brianc: anyone here live in austin?
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[17:17] Layke: I've never created anythign with node before. This is my first app. Am I doing things correctly? http://pastie.org/2434526 My server seems to work.. just not wanting to brush up on best practices. 
[17:18] Layke: Like how could I make that more readable to someone? You click on it and don'g have a clue what the fuck it does.
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[17:22] tktiddle: what can i do about this? http://fpaste.org/D8Ti/
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[17:31] RichardNodeJS: hey everyone, does anyone know the right middleware to use with express for bodyParser for POST events?  having alot of trouble with the default one
[17:31] tjholowaychuk: RichardNodeJS are you setting the content-type?
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[17:32] RichardNodeJS: yah, I got it to work with json, but my input is just a plain string =/
[17:32] RichardNodeJS: I looked at the code but it looked like it only supported two formats
[17:33] RichardNodeJS: some url  encoded ting, and json
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[17:33] RichardNodeJS: was trying to do just context/text =P no luck
[17:33] RichardNodeJS: thing*
[17:33] tjholowaychuk: what is context/text
[17:33] tjholowaychuk: you have to plug in a new parser mapped to that mime type
[17:33] tjholowaychuk: if you want custom stuff
[17:33] RichardNodeJS: oops. sorry text/plain
[17:34] tjholowaychuk: text/plain isnt a format you parse
[17:34] tjholowaychuk: it's just text
[17:34] CIA-69: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r8af0abd 10/ Makefile : prepare for release - website under new user - http://git.io/K8zyiQ
[17:34] CIA-69: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r16b3f2c 10/ lib/dns_uv.js : Fix dns_uv.lookup order - http://git.io/bg9xgA
[17:34] RichardNodeJS: but thats all I need for my post event =P
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[17:34] tjholowaychuk: then buffer the body and use the text :p
[17:34] tjholowaychuk: you dont need bodyParser for that
[17:34] RichardNodeJS: ohh =o
[17:34] softdrink: tjholowaychuk:  is there something like docco/dox that i can use with stylus?
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[17:35] tjholowaychuk: softdrink nope
[17:35] tjholowaychuk: to build docs for your css?
[17:35] tjholowaychuk: not that i know of no
[17:35] softdrink: oui.
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[17:35] stonecobra: anyone having issues with npm timing out trying to download a package from the registry?
[17:35] softdrink: damn
[17:35] RichardNodeJS: huh, I knew I must have been missing something obvious
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[17:37] Layke: How do you guys manage who is currently connected? Should I just restart my server every hour?
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[17:38] Layke: Sorry.. I'm usign sockets.io so that made no sense out of context.
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[17:38] RichardNodeJS: tjholowaychuk: sorry to ask again, but do you know where a good example of buffering the req.body is?
[17:38] RichardNodeJS: I'm just finding example that seem to use bodyParser 
[17:38] tjholowaychuk: RichardNodeJS bodyParser :p
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[17:39] tjholowaychuk: but parsing a buffered body and just buffering the body are different things
[17:39] tjholowaychuk: use node's req.on('data' events
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[17:39] tjholowaychuk: if you even need to buffer at all, if you're streaming to a file etc you dont need to
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[17:40] RichardNodeJS: nah, nothing fancy, really I just have this really simple string i'm trying to get on the server side of a post event =/
[17:40] RichardNodeJS: pretty dang hard
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[17:41] tjholowaychuk: it's not hard, just read the http server docs
[17:41] tjholowaychuk: you'll see that get "data" events
[17:41] tjholowaychuk: which are the chunks of the body
[17:41] tjholowaychuk: what you do with those is up to you
[17:42] RichardNodeJS: neat! thanks
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[17:45] RichardNodeJS: hah, I just found your name in qs tjholowaychuk 
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[17:47] softdrink: … there are over 700 users here right now.
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[17:52] RichardNodeJS: bingo! got it tjholowaychuk  =) thanks
[17:53] Gregor: softdrink: And only 569 in ##javascript :P
[17:53] Gregor: (But 889 in #jquery)
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[18:03] tuhoojabotti: What's the easiest way to empty a file
[18:03] tuhoojabotti: unlink and open/close?
[18:03] tuhoojabotti: :u
[18:04] DrMcKay: !doc link fs#truncate
[18:04] DrMcKay: ah, my bot isn't here
[18:04] DrMcKay: tuhoojabotti: fs.truncate
[18:04] tuhoojabotti: Nice
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[18:04] tuhoojabotti: DrMcKay++
[18:04] v8bot_:  tuhoojabotti has given a beer to DrMcKay. DrMcKay now has 1 beers.
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[18:05] tuhoojabotti: Hihi
[18:05] killfill: im doing  ab -n 1000 -c 200 http://127.0.0.1:10260  <-- is it normal that when i make aprox -c > 260, i get this? http://pastebin.com/DKiG6bEr
[18:05] killfill: its just a plain express app, wich does res.send('hello') ...
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[18:06] tuhoojabotti: lool
[18:06] DrMcKay: (for now his github module is turned off until he completes his test period)
[18:06] tuhoojabotti: Node crashed when I gave truncate a string
[18:06] tuhoojabotti: not a fd
[18:06] tjholowaychuk: killfill can i see a gist of your little app?
[18:06] tuhoojabotti: path that is
[18:07] DrMcKay: tuhoojabotti: crashed?
[18:07] DrMcKay: tuhoojabotti: for me it's TypeError
[18:07] killfill: tjholowaychuk: https://gist.github.com/1174001
[18:08] tuhoojabotti: DrMcKay: Yes that's a crash, because I didn't catch it. :u
[18:08] DrMcKay: tuhoojabotti: well, from that point of view, yeah :)
[18:08] tjholowaychuk: killfill hmm yeah that should be fine
[18:08] tuhoojabotti: I guess I need to open to write
[18:09] DrMcKay: would truncateFile be accessible in core?
[18:09] tuhoojabotti: ?
[18:09] DrMcKay: tuhoojabotti: function to truncate file by name'
[18:09] killfill: tjholowaychuk: i was beginning to think node was not 100% in shape on freebsd.. bnoordhuis told me some hours ago it was actually slow. could this be how it manifest been slow on bsd?
[18:09] tuhoojabotti: fs.truncateSync(fs.openSync(logFile, 'w'), 0); syncetisync
[18:09] tuhoojabotti: :D
[18:09] DrMcKay: tuhoojabotti: well, yes...
[18:09] tuhoojabotti: 
ACTION hides

[18:10] DrMcKay: tuhoojabotti: but this one doesn't close it ;)
[18:10] tuhoojabotti: Yeh
[18:10] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: ping?
[18:10] tjholowaychuk: killfill not sure, you usually only see that when you have a race-condition and you respond twice etc
[18:10] DrMcKay: and, oh, not accessible but acceptable
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[18:10] tjholowaychuk: killfill but something as simple as res.send() is basically just res.end()
[18:10] tjholowaychuk: it should be totally fine
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[18:10] DrMcKay: I'm being incompatible with world today
[18:11] tuhoojabotti: DrMcKay: also that truncate will probably call to my watchFile :P
[18:11] killfill: yup.. its 0.5.4 btw
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[18:11] DrMcKay: tuhoojabotti: yes, I believe yes
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[18:12] bradleymeck: isaacs is there a setting to prevent npm from trying to setuid to nobody (im calling it from a nobody process)
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[18:12] Orion-: hello nodes
[18:12] Orion-: :D
[18:12] tuhoojabotti: Orion-: Well hi there!
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[18:14] Orion-: What's the best way to scale nodes horizontally (spreat on many servers) ?
[18:14] killfill: tjholowaychuk: actually i get this, without express: net_legacy.js:847  close(this.fd);    Error: ENOTCONN, Socket is not connected
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[18:15] tjholowaychuk: killfill oh 0.5.x
[18:15] tjholowaychuk: i haven't tested connect or express with 0.5.x yet
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[18:17] wadey: hmm, is require('https').getAgent() broken in 0.4.11 ?
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[18:17] bradleymeck: Orion- best way is to use a balancer / master mesh to maintain along w/ udp discovery if it is across multiple servers (generally this should be customized per your app)
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[18:18] teadict: I saw this COMET example once of a screencast with two browsers opened and the guy dragging a piece of text testing messaging with node.. has anyone seen it? I lost it
[18:19] wadey: is there any way to up the default agent.maxSockets in 0.4 ?
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[18:27] tuhoojabotti: Does truncate return fd?
[18:28] tuhoojabotti: truncateSync that is
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[18:29] jmazzi: I'm attempting to require a file the extends a classed declared in the file that required it. It tells me that Search is undefined. Not sure why https://gist.github.com/1174069
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[18:32] robinduckett: evening
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[18:32] robinduckett: is there a node knockout irc channel?
[18:33] robinduckett: official or adhoc?
[18:33] bnoordhuis: tuhoojabotti: truncate returns nothing
[18:34] tuhoojabotti: Yeah
[18:34] tuhoojabotti: that's what I feared
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[18:34] geetarista: wondering the same thing robinduckett 
[18:34] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: would truncateFile be acceptable in core?
[18:34] geetarista: worried about the room getting pretty crowded tonight
[18:34] robinduckett: aye
[18:34] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: you mean ftruncate?
[18:34] DrMcKay: !doc link fs#ftruncate
[18:34] dmkbot: http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/fs.html#fs.ftruncate
[18:35] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: where is it?
[18:35] robinduckett: dunno if there's anyone in here who is at forward
[18:35] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: I'm talking about a truncate which takes only file name
[18:35] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: that's what truncate does
[18:35] robinduckett: maybe there could be a channel for each location and for those people competing not at an official place
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[18:36] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: node's truncate takes fd as a parameter
[18:36] geetarista: visnup: is there going to be a #nodeko channel or anything similar?
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[18:36] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: oh right, we got that mixed up
[18:37] geetarista: might be good to post service/server-specific channels (heroku, joyent, mongohq, pusher, etc)
[18:37] geetarista: just so everyone doesn't come in here for everything
[18:37] japj: there is #nodeknockout
[18:37] geetarista: ok, cool
[18:38] geetarista: feel like this channel should be for node-specific chatter
[18:38] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: so, would truncateFile(path, len, cb) be acceptable?
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[18:38] geetarista: questions specific to the competition should be in #nodeknockout, and most of the services/servers have their own
[18:39] geetarista: would be nice if we could make a list somewhere
[18:39] geetarista: or post on the blog
[18:40] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: possibly, maybe - so far no one has complained that it's missing
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[18:41] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: so then: todo.unshift('truncateFile')
[18:41] baudehlo: hey bnoordhuis is the node core ever going to open for the things we put into node-fs-ext (flock, seek, utime) ?
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[18:42] visnup: geetarista: #nodeknockout
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[18:43] Bwen: if I want to run a shell command and get the output the command generates as it generates it, what should I be using?
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[18:44] Aikar: Bwen: pipe?
[18:44] DrMcKay: (also, someone could set #nodeknockout as a topic)
[18:44] baudehlo: Bwen: tee (type: man tee)
[18:44] japj: yeah, someone could do that
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[18:45] DrMcKay: (how do you check who is an op in irssi?)
[18:45] japj: I think bnoordhuis could be an op
[18:46] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: ping?
[18:46] japj: but I think konobi, piscisaureus_ and ryah are ops
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[18:46] DrMcKay: timed out.
[18:47] DrMcKay: konobi: ping?
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[18:47] cpetzold: anyone know how to do a case-insensitive sort with mongoose?
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[18:48] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: that's called marketing...
[18:48] bnoordhuis: i've secretly always wanted to be a marketeer
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[18:49] piscisaureus_: you are a marketeer bnoordhuis
[18:49] baudehlo: hey bnoordhuis is the node core ever going to open for the things we put into node-fs-ext (flock, seek, utime) ?
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[18:50] cpetzold: never mind, looks like this isn't even solved in mongodb yet.. https://jira.mongodb.org/browse/SERVER-90
[18:50] bnoordhuis: 
ACTION is hard at work, call back in an hour

[18:50] geetarista: visnup: i got that #nodeknockout is a room, but I'm compiling a list for other related services, etc.
[18:50] baudehlo: heh, I should mail node-dev anyway :)
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[18:59] dylang: tjholowaychuk: I added your feature request: https://github.com/dylang/changelog/issues/2
[18:59] dylang: tjholowaychuk: and did you see i put this up for you? https://github.com/dylang/my-custom-config
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[19:00] DTrejo: nice dylang :)
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[19:01] dylang: DTrejo thanks!
[19:02] DTrejo: §
[19:02] tjholowaychuk: dylang sweet! thanks man
[19:02] DTrejo: I use that instead of $, just as an extra touch heh
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[19:02] DTrejo: oh, right: dylang++
[19:03] DTrejo: dylang++
[19:03] v8bot_:  DTrejo has given a beer to dylang. dylang now has 1 beers.
[19:03] catb0t: dylang now has 1 beer
[19:03] TheJH: what crazy kind of spam is this? what's its goal? http://groups.google.com/group/nodejs/browse_thread/thread/86d8ca123b32100b
[19:03] qcom: if I'm using posting a client form value with superagent, how do I grab that value in an express route?
[19:05] DrMcKay: TheJH: tl;dr
[19:05] DTrejo: tl;mark spam
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[19:06] TheJH: DrMcKay, ?
[19:06] DrMcKay: TheJH: it looks like "buy a book" or something...
[19:06] TheJH: DrMcKay, aaah, ok
[19:06] DrMcKay: TheJH: but I may be wrong, that guy may be just retarded
[19:07] TheJH: :D
[19:07] tjholowaychuk: qcom: bodyParser, req.body
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[19:07] rabidmachine9: hello there!
[19:08] rabidmachine9: I want to delete an element with a specific _id from mongodb
[19:08] rabidmachine9: I use mongolian
[19:08] rabidmachine9: https://gist.github.com/eb6ab9da97e1ea39bfd3
[19:09] rabidmachine9: it does not work for some reason
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[19:10] visnup: geetarista: like how to contact us?
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[19:11] visnup: geetarista: all@nodeknockout.com @node_knockout #nodeknockout
[19:11] daan: hi everyone
[19:11] dylang: tjholowaychuk: my node knockout teammate waited until last night to learn node (yeah i know). he almost gave up on express because the `hello world` example at the top of http://expressjs.com/ failed because there's no `var express = require('express');` - any reason I can tell him?
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[19:11] tjholowaychuk: dylang hahaha
[19:11] tjholowaychuk: that part is implied, but i guess i should add it
[19:12] DrMcKay: dylang: :D
[19:12] dylang: i also learned yesterday that he's new to Javascript, git, and macs.  #notlookinggood
[19:12] tjholowaychuk: that's what happens when people use express before knowing anything about node
[19:12] tjholowaychuk: haha yeah there you go
[19:12] NodeBuddy: 
ACTION is in trouble. :< https://gist.github.com/1174180

[19:13] NodeBuddy: Everything looks good for the request in node.js. My code gets to calling response.end() 
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[19:13] qcom: tholowaychuk: thanks dude
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[19:14] daan: can i ask you guys an express question?
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[19:14] tjholowaychuk: NO
[19:14] tjholowaychuk: daan jump in #express :p
[19:14] daan: :)
[19:15] daan: I'm using express, restmvc.js and socket.io to build a site
[19:15] daan: or actually it's more like an art installation... anyway
[19:15] daan: Right now i'm using socketio for the streaming part
[19:16] softdrink: the nodeknockout site is far too entertaining.
[19:16] daan: would that be the right approach or can i use express?
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[19:16] daan: (by streaming I mean, keeping the connection open en pushing through json)
[19:17] NodeBuddy: Help! upstream timed out (110: Connection timed out) while reading response header from upstream, :(
[19:17] NodeBuddy: Nginx and node.js aren't getting along
[19:17] tjholowaychuk: daan yeah socketio for that
[19:17] daan: ok, cool
[19:17] tjholowaychuk: daan not that you cant use express, they are just unrelated
[19:18] daan: I could use express to keep an open connection?
[19:18] daan: Could figure it out, so that's why i combined it with socketio
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[19:18] daan: (That should be couldn't)
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[19:19] tmedema: Is there a way to prettify an exception stack when doing util.debug(e.stack)?
[19:19] explodes: I have a function that starts multiple async operations, these operations are supposed to append their results to an array... for reason they don't seem to append anything
[19:21] explodes: Basically, I want to implement producer/consumer
[19:21] daan: tjholowaychuk: I'm not sure if i understood you correctly. Could express do the job? Cause I'd like that. I'm using it for the rest of the installation, so that would keep it nice and simple
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[19:22] tjholowaychuk: daan socket.io / express are just totally separate things, you could do long polling etc with express
[19:22] tjholowaychuk: but socketio does a lot more
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[19:22] tjholowaychuk: daan express is for routing/views/services etc
[19:22] tjholowaychuk: socket.io is for websockets
[19:22] NodeBuddy: I hate nginx.
[19:23] NodeBuddy: Nginx is the spawn of people who set fire to themselves.
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[19:24] explodes: nginx is actually pretty nice
[19:26] daan: tjholowaychuk: ah, i found a long polling example somewhere. It's like refreshing the page every x seconds i understand it correctly
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[19:26] tjholowaychuk: daan why aren't you using socketio though? that's what it's for
[19:27] tjholowaychuk: it's easy to get going too
[19:27] daan: tjholowaychuk: Yeah, looks like sockio is what i need :) thanks
[19:27] daan: Allright, in that case I need another piece of advice :)
[19:27] NodeBuddy: explodes: Then why is it sabotaging node.js??? upstream timed out (110: Connection timed out) while reading response header from upstream,
[19:28] NodeBuddy: https://gist.github.com/1174180
[19:28] NodeBuddy: Here's my configuration: https://gist.github.com/1173452
[19:29] daan: I want to notify the socketio part of my application of any updates that take place through express. I'm trying to use EventEmitter, but either I haven't found the right way to do it yet or it's not right for that purpose. Any ideas?
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[19:30] explodes: dunno, i'd have to go over it. i'd normally help but im swamped and stressed
[19:30] explodes: @ NodeBuddy .. sorry. try #nginx
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[19:31] NodeBuddy: explodes: Hmm, actually it *does* seem to be node.js
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[19:31] NodeBuddy: 
ACTION may have to look for a node.js genius to fix this :/

[19:32] DTrejo: OOH http://cpants.perl.org/kwalitee.html
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[19:34] DrMcKay: DTrejo: are they talking about code quality? in Perl?!
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[19:37] NodeBuddy: Is node.js HTTP stack not good at handling POSTs?
[19:37] NodeBuddy: My node.js "service" is sometimes timing out
[19:38] NodeBuddy: It happens when it gets swamped with about 12 POST requests at the same time
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[19:38] daan: Let me try to rephrase that into an actual question: what would be a nice way to trigger a socket notify in my main app.js from somewhere deep inside a controller i build inside express?
[19:38] context: nodebuddy: uhh whats the difference between a POST and GET request, besides one word
[19:39] context: nodebuddy: maybe its the way your code is processing the post request thats bogging it down?
[19:39] context: nodebuddy: try taking a get request that works just fine and change it into a post and see what happens?
[19:39] explodes: If I run a whole bunch of function asynchronously and each of these function manipulates an array (concats results to it), why is the final resulting array empty when the async functions have data to put into the array?
[19:39] context: "troubleshoot"
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[19:39] explodes: http://pastie.org/2435165 See this for some code about it...
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[19:41] context: explodes: thats working exactly the way its suppose to
[19:41] context: explodes: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Array/concat
[19:41] context: concat does not work the way you are expecting it to.
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[19:43] NodeBuddy: context: More headers?
[19:44] context: 
ACTION hopes you continued reading

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[19:44] NodeBuddy: context: Maybe, but I checked my code, and even on the requests that time out, it's getting all the way to calling response.end() (My console.log() test message is seen)
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[19:44] NodeBuddy: context: Reading...
[19:45] context: so... if node gets all the way to response.end() id think node is doing a good job :/
[19:45] context: but if browser is saying timed out you might have an issue there
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[19:46] baudehlo: explodes: you want produced.push(mids);
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[19:46] NodeBuddy: context: Yeah, the browser is saying it timed out. But this is only happening when 12 requests are fired off at the same time (XMLHTTPRequest() POSTS)
[19:46] context: nodebuddy: so start from scratch... make the action do nothing, then slowely add more of your code, and see where/when its breaking
[19:46] tvaldes: Hi! I built a small system in jQuery/PHP which warns an inactive user their session is about to expire, and it gives them a few options (stay logged in, extend for 15 mins, and logout). Since it's purely on the client, there are issues when multiple tabs/windows are open. Does this sound like a great use for node.js? I'm totally new to node, can someone provide me some general direction on how I should go about handling this and man
[19:46] NodeBuddy: Actually, even six will do it
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[19:47] context: nodebuddy: most browsers limit the # of requests per host, id ask why you are firing off that many at once to begin with
[19:47] NodeBuddy: context: Well, I'm at 1700 lines in node.js :p
[19:47] NodeBuddy: context: Sure, but it shouldn't be timing out
[19:47] context: are you just purposely trying to barrage the server with requests?
[19:47] NodeBuddy: 
ACTION is doing it to test robustness

[19:48] NodeBuddy: yeah
[19:48] CoverSlide: use apachebench if you want to test
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[19:48] context: nodebuddy: try this: fire off two requests, wait a half sec, two more, etc etc
[19:48] context: yeah dont use a browser to test your server side
[19:48] NodeBuddy: What should I use? Curl?
[19:48] context: you have a LOT more variables there than just how well your server performs
[19:48] context: 14:48  CoverSlid| use apachebench if you want to test
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[19:49] DTrejo: DrMcKay: I'd say it's more about module quality!
[19:49] NodeBuddy: context: Could it also by this network? We have lots of stuff like Sonicwall going on
[19:49] DTrejo: DrMcKay: and something that can definitely be applied to what we're doing with node modules
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[19:49] context: nodebuddy: like i said, you have A LOT MORE variables than you are actually trying to test.
[19:49] DTrejo: well, mostly what izs is doing
[19:49] context: nodebuddy: and thats very probable. 
[19:50] NodeBuddy: context: They might be cutting connections when I open more than five or something
[19:50] DrMcKay: DTrejo: so, you say it's actually useful?
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[19:50] DrMcKay: DTrejo: and that we should port it to node?
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[19:51] DTrejo: DrMcKay: well, it seems helpful. it would encourage module authors to write tests, include readme, have a license, etc
[19:51] DTrejo: my team's node knockout project is related to this 
[19:51] context: nodebuddy: a lot of intelligent people will do that for any server
[19:51] NodeBuddy: 
ACTION is going to try doing requests on the same server.

[19:52] context: nodebuddy: and IF that is so, what you said earlier does NOT hold true.
[19:52] NodeBuddy: context: So maybe it's even Linode?
[19:52] context: nodebuddy: if the firewall is blocking it, you never get to the request let alone response.end()
[19:52] NodeBuddy: What doesn't hold true?
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[19:52] NodeBuddy: context: Well, then the latter doesn't hold true because I tested this.
[19:53] NodeBuddy: context: I do 12 requests, I got 12 response.end()s
[19:53] context: + the initial request ?
[19:53] DrMcKay: DTrejo: so you're writing it? cool
[19:53] NodeBuddy: No, 12 XHRs = 12 response.ends()
[19:53] DrMcKay: DTrejo: well, in face, it may become something like nodelint
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[19:54] DrMcKay: *in fact
[19:54] DTrejo: DrMcKay: no, I'm going for something more like cpants
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[19:54] DTrejo: DrMcKay: http://cpants.perl.org
[19:54] context: stop testing over the internet for starters. you arent 'testing' shit. besides your home internet connection, whatever random route[s] every request decides to take over the internet, your firewall, your hosts firewall, your hosts network, your vps throughput, your vps firewall, nodejs, the vps resource manageemnt
[19:54] DTrejo: DrMcKay: just something that tests node modules on solaris, to start with
[19:54] NodeBuddy: right
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[19:55] NodeBuddy: context: Could the firewall somehow be terminating the connection in way that causes the browser to time out?
[19:55] DrMcKay: DTrejo: well, might get useful :)
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[19:55] DrMcKay: DTrejo: I'll look into it and see which rules can be applied to node, etc.
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[19:56] context: nodebuddy: no.
[19:56] context: nodebuddy: if a firewall is gonna block it its gonna not let the connection start to begin with
[19:56] NodeBuddy: Your point is totally valid; I'm going to be doing some tests locally
[19:56] context: nodebuddy: or maybe your testing code is just borked.
[19:56] DTrejo: DrMcKay: I think all the easy and simple ones are the first ones to borrow from what they do
[19:56] DTrejo: "does it contain a test directory, with tests in it"
[19:56] DTrejo: etc
[19:57] NodeBuddy: context: I am looking at the Network panel in Chrome and seeing "Pending" and then "Timed out"
[19:57] DrMcKay: DTrejo: fair enough
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[19:57] context: :/
[19:58] NodeBuddy: I know our network will kill Youtube video downloads as well
[19:58] DrMcKay: NodeBuddy: always do tests locally
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[19:58] DrMcKay: NodeBuddy: look at, say, node http tests
[19:58] NodeBuddy: DrMcKay: Googling that
[19:58] DrMcKay: NodeBuddy: they use local server, and so should you
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[19:59] NodeBuddy: My boss was really happy about "having our entire production system in the cloud"
[19:59] context: nodebuddy: when testing, you remove as many variables as possible. you testing over the internet is introducing about 5 billion variables, none of which you control
[19:59] DrMcKay: NodeBuddy: Googling what?
[19:59] DrMcKay: NodeBuddy: https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/test/simple/test-regress-GH-1531.js
[19:59] NodeBuddy: context: Absolutely true.
[20:00] DrMcKay: NodeBuddy: this is the simplest test I could find which illustrates that
[20:00] DrMcKay: NodeBuddy: (and it's mine, btw)
[20:00] NodeBuddy: Thanks!
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[20:00] NodeBuddy: 
ACTION is working on localizing testing now

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[20:00] context: nodebuddy: test: run server locally, setup apachebench to barrage your LOCALLY RUNNING server to see how well node handles them
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[20:01] context: thats what you were going for after all.
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[20:07] CIA-69: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r028908a 10/ (44 files in 7 dirs): Upgrade V8 to 3.5.8 - http://git.io/TuVBqA
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[20:08] explodes: http://pastie.org/2435310 Why can't multiple producers manipulate a single object? This is a full example. All producers "concat" to a destination array.
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[20:16] explodes: Does really nobody know
[20:16] explodes: I cant find this crap on google
[20:16] CIA-69: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * rf1996ff 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[20:16] CIA-69: node: Merge remote branch 'origin/v0.4'
[20:16] CIA-69: node: Conflicts:
[20:16] CIA-69: node:  AUTHORS
[20:16] CIA-69: node:  ChangeLog
[20:16] CIA-69: node:  doc/api/stdio.markdown
[20:16] CIA-69: node:  doc/index.html
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[20:18] explodes: Wow I found the problem.
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[20:20] explodes: someArray.concat(anotherArray) returns the combination, it doesn't mutate someArray.
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[20:21] StanlySoManly: this is probably a really silly question, but is there anything in node that should make me expect the same code to behave differently when run twice in a row? I wired up some jasmine tests, ran them, then arrowed up in the terminal and ran the exact same command and got a different result. I haven't seen it again today, but it's a little concerning that it happened at all. Was it a fluke or is there something I haven't read yet? 
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[20:22] bradleymeck: stanlysomanly race condition probably
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[20:23] walkingeyerobot: it depends very much on the code. it may be you're assuming your callbacks will be called in a certain order, but really they can be called in any order
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[20:24] context: explodes: cool. i said that like 30 minutes ago.
[20:24] context: so did someone else
[20:25] context: stanlysomanly: possibly race condition or code was changed that one time you ran the test
[20:25] context: stanlysomanly: or you have a form of randomness somewhere in the test
[20:25] context: we have an issue here sometimes with tests and Faker and unique constraint validations
[20:26] StanlySoManly: the code i'm testing is very simple. it's just an email validation routine that returns true/false i'd hope there aren't many race conditions possible there. :) 
[20:27] fairwinds: hmm. never used node on windows. Am trying out the new node.exe  How to get npm?
[20:27] isaacs: fairwinds: wait, it's coming soon.
[20:27] isaacs: node knockout is taking up 350% of my cpu
[20:28] StanlySoManly: i know the code didn't change because i didn't fetch new code. oh well, it sounds like all the possibilities are that there's something screwy with my VM. just wanted to make sure that was the right assumption. it didn't sound at all like something that would be in node, but just wanted to make sure there wasn't something that was smarter than me. :)  
[20:28] context: stanlysomanly: maybe you accidently changed the addr it was testing for that one test ?
[20:28] context: isaacs: url?
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[20:28] context: nm
[20:28] StanlySoManly: context: i typed the command then literally up arrowed and did it again. didn't give myself the chance to mess up anything. :)  but it sounds like there is something amiss here. i'll check other corners. thanks! 
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[20:30] fairwinds: isaacs: heh. I guess I can just download and link packages in my code. I can give that a try
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[20:30] CIA-69: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r7d38a3b 10/ src/node_buffer.cc : Fix build - due to V8 API change - http://git.io/NvavfQ
[20:30] isaacs: fairwinds: check out ryppi
[20:30] fairwinds: k, thanks
[20:30] isaacs: it's good for simple things
[20:30] fairwinds: super
[20:30] isaacs: https://github.com/japj/ryppi
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[20:31] CoverSlide: I hope the smoking man's in this one
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[20:32] CoverSlide: any way to force npm to make the zip but not publish
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[20:33] DTrejo: CoverSlide: npm bundle?
[20:33] isaacs: CoverSlide: npm pack
[20:33] isaacs: npm package
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[20:33] isaacs: ("pack" also works, or "packa" or "packag")
[20:33] isaacs: abbrev ftw
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[20:39] sechrist: iirc there was a way to make npm automatically update the package.json file upon install
[20:39] sechrist: how u do dat
[20:40] slifty: http://superuser.com/questions/328499/sites-directory-icon-in-lion in case anyone has a clue.
[20:40] tjholowaychuk: SubStack Error: Relative path: testing/foo/bar/baz/raz
[20:40] tjholowaychuk: what's wrong with relative paths for mkdirp?
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[20:40] tjholowaychuk: should just be relative to cwd
[20:42] CIA-69: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r790f13d 10/ configure : Fix typo in configure script - http://git.io/MHDSrQ
[20:43] softdrink: 
ACTION pulls out his hair

[20:43] softdrink: if it's not one thing it's something else.
[20:43] softdrink: jsdom doesn't support window.location.hash… which breaks backbone's router.
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[20:44] softdrink: any other recommendations for testing?
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[20:47] visnup: hi NKOtestBot 
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[20:59] jokil: hey all, I'm using express.js and I'm getting a rather cryptic error. It says Error: the following middleware invoked next() more than once: 
[21:00] jokil: it is followed by a toString of some function. here's the paste bin: http://pastebin.com/DF160NXv . Can anyone make sense of this?
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[21:01] pquerna: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2588018
[21:02] tjholowaychuk: jokil hmm
[21:02] tjholowaychuk: that was a recent patch
[21:02] tjholowaychuk: but
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[21:02] tjholowaychuk: it does not seem to be working right because that middleware clearly does not call it twice, i must have messed something up
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[21:03] jokil: tjholowaychuk: is there anything I can do in the meantime to get around this?
[21:04] tjholowaychuk: jokil revert to connect 1.6.2 for now
[21:04] tjholowaychuk: im looking into it
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[21:07] jokil: thanks tjholowaychuk, that did the trick for now.
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[21:12] tjholowaychuk: jokil can you gist the route that was doing that, or part of it, trying to reproduce
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[21:14] NodeBuddy: hmm
[21:14] NodeBuddy: What does response.end() return?
[21:16] jesusabdullah: console.log(response.end()) ?
[21:16] CoverSlide: should be undefined , shan't it?
[21:16] jesusabdullah: I would suspect so, but what do I know?
[21:17] jokil: trying to repro
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[21:21] mrryanjohnston: Is there a way to put socket.io into quiet mode?
[21:21] CoverSlide: NODE_ENV=production node server.js
[21:21] tjholowaychuk: mrryanjohnston i think it's io.set('log level', 0)
[21:22] CoverSlide: that too
[21:22] mrryanjohnston: thanks guys
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[21:23] CoverSlide: wow, i mistype one letter, and I find an eHow article on "How to Nod"
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[21:25] softdrink: io.set('stfu', true)
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[21:30] cpetzold: pwned
[21:30] NodeBuddy: hm
[21:31] NodeBuddy: response.end() is returning false, sometimes true :S
[21:31] nickaugust: NodeBuddy: i think it returns a value if something is available
[21:31] jeromegn: Anybody tried mongoose > 2.0? They added DBRef, but they did so in a way that is generally proscribed in the MongoDB documentation and most sites I've read. They added it so that it may reference the same collection every time, but it's advised to use DBRef only if you need a field reference different collections. Wondering if it creates *that* much overhead.
[21:33] chovy: howdy
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[21:34] chovy: i am writing json string to a log file and I want to read it back it and send an event-stream up to the client, however the json string is not always completed when I tail the log file...any suggestions on how I should do this correctly so the entire line is written before I read from the log file?
[21:35] TheJH: chovy, why do you need the intermediary file?
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[21:36] chovy: TheJH: because the feed I'm getting comes in chunks, and it isn't a complete json object until I see a newline character.
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[21:36] chovy: i thought it might work if I wrote to a log file and then read it back to get the complete line, but I'm seeing the same problem.
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[21:36] TheJH: chovy, don't do that
[21:37] TheJH: chovy, there are even modules on npm for parsing newline-delimited json
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[21:37] NodeBuddy: console.log(response.end()) is sometimes returning false. When it returns false, node.js can't end the connection so the connection times out and nginx shows 504 gateway timeout! :<
[21:38] chovy: I'm using http.get() with .on("data", function(chunk){}); but the chunk is not always the complete json object (newline delimited).
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[21:38] TheJH: chovy, I understand that
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[21:38] chovy: ok
[21:38] TheJH: chovy, use a module from npm that can parse newline-delimited JSON for you
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[21:39] bnoordhuis: people, the hot new thing is here: http://node.js/dist/v0.5.5/node-v0.5.5-rc1.tar.gz <- please test!
[21:40] TheJH: chovy, e.g. this looks good: json-line-protocol  Stream protocol handler for CRLF-delimited JSON values  =fictorial  protocol stream json line
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[21:41] daed: hi trotter
[21:41] trotter: hi daed
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[21:42] bradleymeck: isaacs is there some way to get npm to not ignore .git folders (for wheat blogs)
[21:42] chovy: TheJH: But how do I handle the chunk that isn't a complete a line? 
[21:42] isaacs: bradleymeck: nope
[21:42] TheJH: chovy, it'll get buffered
[21:42] isaacs: bradleymeck: git folders are gigantic
[21:43] bnoordhuis: make that http://nodejs.org/dist/v0.5.5/node-v0.5.5-rc1.tar.gz <- still, please test it :)
[21:43] mikey_p: silly wheat, git isn't a database
[21:43] DrMcKay: bnoordhuis: is it a tag?
[21:43] isaacs: bnoordhuis: have a prepublish script that mv's .git to _git, and then a preinstall that mv's _git to .git, maybe, as a hack?
[21:43] TheJH: chovy, really, there are some modules on npm that can do it for you. give it the chunks and get out the lines
[21:44] isaacs: i feel like i've written "parse the incoming chunks in lines" like a 1000 times now
[21:44] TheJH: :D
[21:44] isaacs: my tap parser has to do that.  yamlish does it.
[21:44] isaacs: that's twice just in one program :)
[21:44] chovy: TheJH: thanks.
[21:44] CoverSlide: what about the 'readline' module
[21:44] isaacs: CoverSlide: readline is a different thing
[21:45] isaacs: CoverSlide: it's for doing stuff like using the up-arrow to search history, etc.
[21:45] bnoordhuis: DrMcKay: yes
[21:45] isaacs: all that reply goodness
[21:45] bnoordhuis: isaacs: sorry?
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[21:45] isaacs: bnoordhuis: oh, whoops, that was for bradleymeck 
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[21:46] bnoordhuis: oh, right :)
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[21:46] isaacs: bradleymeck:  have a prepublish script that mv's .git to _git, and then a preinstall that mv's _git to .git, maybe, as a hack?
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[21:46] CoverSlide: too many b-names
[21:46] CoverSlide: you guys need to coordinate and not come in at the same time
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[21:49] bradleymeck: isaacs might work
[21:49] isaacs: bradleymeck: not recommended, though
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[21:50] isaacs: bradleymeck: it'd be better to have a prepublish script that generates all your wheat pages to html in some kind of cache, and just publish that
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[21:50] bradleymeck: least amount of change for now, dunno if there is one of those even, (probably is)
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[21:51] isaacs: bradleymeck: or, you could just publish your wheat blog with git.  isn't that kinda the idea?
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[21:53] chovy: npm is the new cpan
[21:53] NodeBuddy: isaacs: Any idea what it means when response.end() returns false? :<
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[21:54] isaacs: NodeBuddy: means that the socket isn't flushed
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[21:54] isaacs: NodeBuddy: same as when response.write() returns false
[21:54] CoverSlide: npm is the new tusk
[21:54] isaacs: NodeBuddy: in most cases, you can ignore it.  it'll flush eventually
[21:54] chovy: I tried building the latest nodejs on debian and it failed with collect2 error in linking.
[21:54] CoverSlide: tusk was the new cabal
[21:54] stisti has joined the channel
[21:54] CoverSlide: cabal was the new pip
[21:54] CoverSlide: pip was the new gems
[21:55] CoverSlide: gems was the new maven
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[21:55] NodeBuddy: isaacs: Well, I noticed the number of times response.end() returns false is exactly the same number of times node.js is timing out.
[21:55] CoverSlide: maven was the new cpan
[21:55] chovy: heh
[21:55] CoverSlide: oh hell im just pulling out of my ass i doubt thats in order
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[21:55] chovy: i skipped a few.
[21:55] chovy: brn
[21:55] NodeBuddy: And I can't figure it out. :<
[21:55] chovy: bash repository network.
[21:56] bnoordhuis: chovy: can you gist the build log?
[21:56] chovy: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -luv
[21:57] chovy: collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[21:57] chovy: gist?
[21:57] chovy: bnoordhuis: where do i find the buildlog and  how do i gist it
[21:57] bnoordhuis: chovy: the build log is what you get when you type `make` :)
[21:57] bnoordhuis: chovy: gist is the new pastie
[21:57] chovy: ok
[21:58] chovy: ok
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[22:06] Nuck: So how's NKO doing?
[22:07] Raynos1: its @ T-2h
[22:07] Nuck: I'll probably partake when my company can run itself :D
[22:07] Nuck: lolwat
[22:08] Nuck: So, no.de just gave me an Error of "[object Object]"
[22:08] Nuck: When I tried to log in.
[22:08] Nuck: (my username or password was wrong, I know)
[22:09] wadey: awesome
[22:09] Nuck: rut roh
[22:09] Nuck: Internal Server Error 500
[22:10] NodeBuddy: isaacs: Any ideas why the response object looks like it does in "RESPONSE END 2" vs RESPONSE END 1? https://gist.github.com/1174548
[22:10] NodeBuddy: It looks like it is getting mangled :S
[22:10] isaacs: NodeBuddy: share the code, man
[22:10] softdrink: Is there a way to tell Vows which reporter to use when being run via the api?
[22:11] isaacs: Nuck: yeah, it sometimes gets an error object with a message that isn't a string.
[22:11] NodeBuddy: isaacs: Okay
[22:11] Nuck: Anyone know if no.de is having problems?
[22:11] isaacs: Nuck: if you tried a username that doesnt' exist, then you'll get that error
[22:11] isaacs: you shouldn't get 500 responses, though
[22:11] Nuck: isaacs: I'm in
[22:11] Nuck: But now I'm gettinf 500
[22:11] Nuck: On the Control Panel screens (Machines and Order a Machine)
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[22:12] isaacs: Nuck: hold on a sec..
[22:12] Nuck: Account Settings works fine tho
[22:12] NodeBuddy: isaacs: Here ya go: https://gist.github.com/36aa61c1b9afb70bab1a
[22:13] Nuck: I always forget that no.de's usernames are case-sensitive :P Luckily for me, Chrome volunteered to store my password.
[22:13] isaacs: Nuck: i'm tailing the log, care to try again?
[22:13] Nuck: isaacs: k
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[22:13] Nuck: egads
[22:14] Nuck: isaacs: k I tried https://no.de/smartmachines
[22:14] CoverSlide: damn irccloud
[22:14] NodeBuddy: isaacs: Sorry, here's both files: https://gist.github.com/36aa61c1b9afb70bab1a and https://gist.github.com/5bea24d9db8a04f0a430
[22:14] Nuck: CoverSlide: Serious
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[22:15] NodeBuddy: isaacs: I eliminated the eval() by the way. That should be require() :p
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[22:16] jheusala_: there should be a special prize for any person that only uses a mobile phone to participate in NKO :-)
[22:16] bnoordhuis: why don't people use a real irc client?
[22:16] AvianFlu: bnoordhuis++
[22:16] v8bot_:  AvianFlu has given a beer to bnoordhuis. bnoordhuis now has 2 beers.
[22:16] catb0t: bnoordhuis now has 1 beer
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[22:18] NodeBuddy: Does this look weird for the response object from createServer()? https://gist.github.com/1174566
[22:18] adamfsh: hi!
[22:18] adamfsh: please could anyone help me?
[22:19] AvianFlu: adamfsh: what seems to be the trouble
[22:19] adamfsh: I just would like to know, how to abort a request in nodejs?
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[22:19] adamfsh: I mean an HTTP request :)
[22:20] NodeBuddy: Okay, I see what is going on.
[22:20] NodeBuddy: response.socket is null :<
[22:20] AvianFlu: adamfsh: http://github.com/mikeal/request might be of use to you
[22:20] bnoordhuis: adamfsh: req.abort()?
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[22:21] Marak: boom: http://docs.nodejitsu.com
[22:22] NodeBuddy: What does it mean if response.socket is null?
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[22:23] adamfsh: @bnoordhuis I get this error if I use request.abort() 
[22:23] adamfsh: TypeError: Object #<IncomingMessage> has no method 'abort'
[22:23] Nuck: Dear God, I am a bug magnet.  I always seem to run into the wierdest glitches which nobody can explain.
[22:23] Nexxy: oh my god that font face
[22:23] bnoordhuis: adamfsh: what version of node?
[22:23] adamfsh: 0.4.9
[22:23] Nexxy: ok well mostly just the dashes
[22:24] Nuck: You shouldn't use fancy fonts for body text :P
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[22:25] Marak: Nuck: we accept pull requests
[22:25] mnutt: bnoordhuis: figured out my ClientResponse issue from yesterday; it looks like node closes the connection if you don't chunk your responses
[22:26] NodeBuddy: Can you bind the close event when you use createServer()?
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[22:27] adamfsh: @bnoordhuis request.abort() is in http.ClientRequest which is different from http.ServerRequest what I'm using. I didn't even notice that there is a client request, and I don't even know what is it :D
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[22:28] adamfsh: well, i think i've got it
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[22:28] adamfsh: silly me
[22:28] bnoordhuis: adamfsh: oh right, just res.end()
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[22:28] adamfsh: but
[22:28] adamfsh: that doesn't finished the request 
[22:28] adamfsh: finishes*
[22:28] bnoordhuis: mnutt: is the response http/1.1 with a valid content-length header?
[22:29] bnoordhuis: adamfsh: what do you mean?
[22:29] adamfsh: I'm building a file uploader
[22:29] adamfsh: so I can't end the response until the request was finished
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[22:29] adamfsh: so I need to abort the request even before it was finished :D
[22:30] mnutt: bnoordhuis: it's http/1.1, but doesn't have a content-length because the backend continues to send data until the client disconnects.  I assume that makes it invalid?
[22:30] adamfsh: I tried, request.connection.destroy();
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[22:31] adamfsh: it seems like it abborted the request, but it not, because the file is still uploading
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[22:31] adamfsh: Umm.. and I use express, and node-formidable for file uploading
[22:32] bnoordhuis: mnutt: no content-length, no transfer-encoding - yes, that's not a valid response
[22:32] bnoordhuis: adamfsh: sorry, i don't know how express and formidable work internally
[22:32] adamfsh: but I just would like to know how to abort a request :(
[22:32] adamfsh: is it possible?
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[22:33] NodeBuddy: Maybe http.CreateServer is a bad idea to use :\
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[22:44] kenperkins: are there any string resource or globalization modules for node
[22:44] chovy: TheJH: I'm using the json delimiter module, it works but JSON.parse() fails on the client side with the data it is receiving.
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[22:46] TheJH: chovy, try using console.log instead of JSON.parse, what does it show?
[22:47] adamfshh: @AvianFlu but https://github.com/mikeal/request was made for making request not receiving them
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[22:47] AvianFlu: I thought you were asking about aborting outgoing requests, I must have misunderstood
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[22:47] chovy: in my node script it looks fine, except the one json line is now split to one line for each property. I suspect this is what is breaking my response.write("data: "+value+"\n\n"); back to the client socket.
[22:48] chovy: does that make sense?
[22:48] TheJH: chovy, you're sending newline-delimited JSON fragments?
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[22:49] TheJH: chovy, this is NOT valid JSON: foo: "bar"
[22:49] chovy: console.log(value) prints it out like this:
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[22:49] adamfshh: @AvianFlu and do you know how to abort a received request in http.CreateServer?
[22:49] chovy: { 
[22:49] chovy:    foo : "bar"
[22:49] chovy:     }
[22:49] TheJH: chovy, that's not newline-delimited JSON
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[22:50] Nuck: chovy: JSON requires the key to be quoted.
[22:51] tuhoojabotti: Yes.
[22:51] tuhoojabotti: JSON<3
[22:51] TheJH: Nuck, that, too, but you also can't just insert newlines where you want to in newline-delimited JSON!
[22:51] chovy: i'm no
[22:51] tuhoojabotti: eww
[22:51] chovy: i'm not inserting.
[22:51] tuhoojabotti: newline-delimited JSON?!?!!?
[22:51] tuhoojabotti: That's just sick.
[22:51] chovy: do i need to JSON.stringify it?
[22:51] TheJH: tuhoojabotti, no, it's how many streaming APIs work
[22:52] TheJH: chovy, response.write("data: "+value+"\n\n"); is wrong
[22:52] tuhoojabotti: Streaming is sick.
[22:52] tuhoojabotti: It's like a stream of vomit!
[22:52] tuhoojabotti: 
ACTION should go to bed.

[22:52] Nuck: Why newline-delimited
[22:52] Nuck: tuhoojabotti: But you'll miss NKO
[22:52] tuhoojabotti: I'm not even participating
[22:52] chovy: that worked.
[22:52] tuhoojabotti: I'm doing WebGL game!
[22:52] Nuck: Nor am I :P
[22:52] TheJH: tuhoojabotti, what do you expect the twitter firehose to do? long polling? :D
[22:53] tuhoojabotti: long polling ftw!
[22:53] adamfshh: Does anybody have experience in file uploading in nodejs?
[22:53] TheJH: 
ACTION puts tuhoojabotti on the "trolls" list

[22:53] tuhoojabotti: :(
[22:54] Nuck: TheJH: How about just raw sockets with a JSON object for each tweet, each followed by a \r\n?
[22:54] Nuck: Not a streaming object
[22:54] tmpvar: tuhoojabotti, is it online somewhere?
[22:54] tuhoojabotti: 
ACTION puts TheJH to the list of people with no sense of humour.

[22:54] TheJH: Nuck, you're taling about newline-delimited JSON
[22:54] Nuck: adamfshh: I use this thing which relies on the HTML5 APIs to deal with shit
[22:54] tuhoojabotti: tmpvar: Yes.
[22:54] Nuck: TheJH: Eh, really?
[22:54] TheJH: *talking
[22:54] Nuck: That's not so bad
[22:55] adamfshh: Nuck what thing?
[22:55] Nuck: adamfshh: Essentially, it just dumps the file in the body of a POST request, which I then pipe to a file using Express middleware
[22:55] Nuck: I forget, lemme see
[22:55] tuhoojabotti: TheJH: You can't judge someone a troll for what one says 2 am.
[22:55] tuhoojabotti: :(
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[22:56] NodeBuddy: How do I find out why response.socket is becoming null? :<
[22:56] Nuck: tuhoojabotti: Where the shit are you?
[22:56] tuhoojabotti: Finland still.
[22:56] chovy: TheJH: Why is response.write("data: "+value+"\n\n"); wrong?
[22:56] TheJH: chovy, because "data": 1 is invalid json
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[22:56] TheJH: chovy, that needs to be inside an object
[22:56] chovy: TheJH: that's not json.
[22:57] chovy: that is an event stream
[22:57] adamfshh: @Nuck and do you know how to end the file uploading if for example you want just .PNG files? Or the size of the file is too large ?
[22:57] mikeal: sup
[22:57] chovy: the value is the json object, "data: { "foo":"bar"}\n\n" is the event data.
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[22:58] Nuck: adamfshh: The thing I use is http://valums.com/ajax-upload/, and I implemented it in Node by piping the data events from the body to a file
[22:58] TheJH: chovy, if you want to use that format, you'll have to write your own parser
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[22:59] Nuck: adamfshh: It only works in modern browsers though, since it requires some HTML5 File APIs
[22:59] Nuck: Anything older will require you to have a multipart form decoder
[22:59] seebees: trying to compile node/master on osx 10.7.1 and File "/Users/remery/Documents/GITProjects/node_fork2/wscript", line 982, in shutdown
[22:59] seebees:     os.symlink('out/Release/node', 'node').  Any ideas?
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[22:59] adamfshh: Nuck : but do you check the file types and file size limit in server side?
[23:00] TheJH: tuhoojabotti, and I shouldn't judge about people when it's 1am here :D
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[23:00] tuhoojabotti: Never judge people!
[23:00] chovy: TheJH: it works. I think hyou are confusing the response sent.
[23:00] Nuck: adamfshh: Not yet, and it can't detect the size of files, but I can check filetype by checking the GET parameter qq uploader uses.
[23:00] chovy: i'm using websockets.
[23:00] Validatorian: I'm getting: Object #<Object> has no method 'bodyParser' -- express 2.4.6, connect 1.6.3, node 0.4.11 -- server.js is here: https://github.com/dgoujard/node-boilerplate/blob/master/server.js
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[23:01] Nuck: It shoves the filename in a GET parameter, so you just parse out the extension and immediately fail if it's the wrong type
[23:01] Nuck: I guess if you have a filesize limit you could keep track of the length as it's streamed to you and then if it hits a certain length, just die
[23:02] adamfshh: But Nuck if if fails how to do end the request?
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[23:02] adamfshh: beacuse the file is uploading, you have to stop it 
[23:02] adamfshh: my problem is here, I don't know how to stop the upload :)
[23:02] Nuck: adamfshh: req.end(false)
[23:02] Nuck: Assuming you want to return false
[23:02] adamfshh: Nuck do you mean res.end() ?
[23:03] Nuck: Yeah, that :P
[23:03] adamfshh: buuut res.end will be sent after the request was finished
[23:03] adamfshh: am I right?
[23:03] Nuck: adamfshh: Req fires end when it's done.
[23:03] Validatorian: I'm getting: Object #<Object> has no method 'bodyParser' -- express 2.4.6, connect 1.6.3, node 0.4.11 -- server.js is here: https://github.com/dgoujard/node-boilerplate/blob/master/server.js -- anyone know why?
[23:03] ryah: can we have an official sound track for node knockout?
[23:03] Nuck: I'm pretty sure you can end a response before it's done being requested?
[23:04] ryah: visnup--^
[23:04] adamfshh: Umm, what do you mean? 
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[23:05] Nexxy: I'ma go total cliche and suggest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btPJPFnesV4
[23:05] Nexxy: eye of the tiger... 
[23:05] Nuck: adamfshh: Req is a Stream, which is an EventEmitter.  It fires the "end" event when the request is done.  As far as I know, you can respond before the request fires "end"
[23:05] seebees: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbW3AmaVPgk
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[23:05] Nuck: ryah: I suggest a soundtrack composed of Gogol Bordello and other such awesome.
[23:06] Nexxy: lol
[23:06] Nexxy: you can't compare gogol to other types of awesome
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[23:06] adamfshh: Nuck if I just call response.end() then the file will upload, which is a very bad thing, especially for big files
[23:06] Nexxy: "rising up to the challenge of our rival"
[23:06] Nexxy: the lyrics are pretty much perfect
[23:07] ryah: oh i was just going to suggest awesome music that didn't really have a theme
[23:07] Nuck: adamfshh: Just don't pipe to a file :P
[23:07] Nuck: ryah: Just monitor the turntable.fm?
[23:08] adamfshh: Nuck: then I waist bandwidth
[23:08] adamfshh: waste*
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[23:08] Nuck: adamfshh: Well, as far as I know, req is a readable stream, there's no way of stopping it
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[23:08] adamfshh: :O
[23:09] adamfshh: that was my bigggest fears
[23:09] adamfshh: :((
[23:09] Nuck: res might help tho
[23:09] adamfshh: fear*
[23:09] Nuck: If you respond, I'd assume a browser would just be like "ok, done"
[23:09] adamfshh: but no
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[23:10] Nuck: adamfshh: You sure they won't?
[23:10] adamfshh: it holds the response until the request finishes
[23:10] adamfshh: so I need to wait until the request was finished to get the response on the client side
[23:10] adamfshh: as I see here :)
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[23:11] jaequery: hi
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[23:12] jaequery: i was wondering if node.js can be used in replace of apache? u know kind of like nginx with the phpfpm module?
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[23:12] CarterL: jaequery: yes
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[23:12] CarterL: jaequery: i believe you are writing your own http server
[23:12] wadey: does ClientResponse contain the HTTP status message, or only the code?
[23:13] jaequery: ow looks like someone beat me to it
[23:13] jaequery: https://github.com/davidcoallier/node-php#readme
[23:13] adamfshh: I have a very dirty and unsafe idea, I could target a the form to an Iframe, and I could long poll for the errors, and If if an error is fired during the upload, then I could delete the iFrame from the DOM. that way the Request would close just like by closing the browser. But this can be figured out by hackers, but at least I could check errors. :S
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[23:14] adamfshh: I think it's a silly idea to not have a way to close an incoming request 
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[23:15] visnup: whoaa my dreams have come true: I'm at op in a big irc channel.
[23:15] adamfshh: grats @visnup
[23:15] adamfshh: :)
[23:15] bnoordhuis: visnup: you're one of the nko judges, right?
[23:16] jaequery: wit the new apache vulnerability running about, a quick and dandy nodephp would've been perfect
[23:16] adamfshh: is ryah the real Ryan Dahl? :D 
[23:16] Marak: adamfshh: ZOMG I THINK IT IS
[23:17] ryah: is that like the real slim shady?
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[23:17] Fabryz: dun dun dunnnn
[23:17] Marak: ryah is slim and shady!
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[23:17] visnup: bnoordhuis: judge/organizer
[23:17] adamfshh: :D
[23:18] adamfshh: well if @ryah if you are ryan dahl then you must know the answer for my question as the creator of nodejs :D, please could you tell me if it is possible to terminate an incoming request in http.CreateServer ?
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[23:19] CIA-69: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * rd2d53d4 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Bump version to v0.5.5 - http://git.io/3io7aw
[23:19] jaequery: adamfshh: why would you do that
[23:19] ryah: boom!
[23:19] isaacs: whoever "speedo" or "unclespeedo" is, your no.de account should be working again
[23:19] ryah: first non-me release
[23:19] adamfshh: @jaequery to stop an upload
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[23:20] isaacs: ryah, bnoordhuis: nice!
[23:20] DrMcKay: 
ACTION sets up a hourly cron job to git pull node

[23:21] jaequery: 
ACTION standing ovation @ ryah

[23:21] adamfshh: sooo ryah can you help in my question?:P
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[23:21] DrMcKay: ryah++
[23:21] v8bot_:  DrMcKay has given a beer to ryah. ryah now has 2 beers.
[23:21] catb0t: ryah now has 1 beer
[23:22] jaequery: oo ryah is a bot
[23:22] adamfshh: is it?
[23:22] adamfshh: :(
[23:22] devaholic: lol
[23:23] adamfshh: I'm unhappy
[23:23] FuzzYspo0N: hey all
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[23:24] FuzzYspo0N: the keyword debugger, is there a way to resume from that from code side..
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[23:24] adamfshh: ok, this is a bit wild, nobody has created a working file uploader, with error handling? :O
[23:25] FuzzYspo0N: curl ?
[23:25] jaequery: anyone know if its possible to somehow create a screenshot of a site, possibly with node.js?
[23:26] adamfshh: jaequery no I don't
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[23:28] CIA-69: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r8342f31 10/ src/node_version.h : Now working on 0.5.6 - http://git.io/ocJq9g
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[23:28] DrMcKay: I think I'll actually do git pull every minute.
[23:28] jaequery: theres gotta be a way, i mean, google does this for billions of sites
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[23:29] bnoordhuis: jaequery: headless webkit
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[23:29] adamfshh: jaequery yes there gotta be a way to upload a file normally, billions of sites are doing it... but somehow people are not want to say how to do it :((
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[23:31] bnoordhuis: adamfshh: try a proof of concept with plain node, no third-party modules
[23:32] devaholic: billions eh
[23:32] adamfshh: bnoordhuis I could do it, but If I don't know how to end a request that won't help :(
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[23:33] devaholic: res.end
[23:33] adamfshh: jaqeury I think you should need more than node.js for that, something that is able to see it as it is appearing in a browser, node.js just gets plain informations from websites. but everything is possible(maybe)
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[23:33] adamfshh: devaholic did you write res.end for me?
[23:34] devaholic: everything is maybe possible
[23:34] adamfshh: :D
[23:34] adamfshh: genial isn't it? xD
[23:34] devaholic: res.end ends a request
[23:34] adamfshh: umm I don't think so
[23:34] devaholic: oh okay
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[23:34] devaholic: have it your way
[23:34] adamfshh: sorry :(
[23:35] adamfshh: don't go away 
[23:35] fairwinds: hi anyone here working with node and windows. I really don't like windows that much but wanted to try out new node.exe and some packages to see how they work. How are paths to be treated in Windows?
[23:35] bnoordhuis: fairwinds: with dignity and respect
[23:36] jaequery: webkit2png works for ubuntu?
[23:36] fairwinds: heh, 
[23:36] DTrejo: are we supposed to wait until 5pm to push to our github repo?
[23:36] mnutt: jaequery: check out phantomjs
[23:36] DTrejo: for node ko
[23:36] bnoordhuis: fairwinds: you mean forward or backward slashes?
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[23:36] jaequery: phantomjs creates screenshots too?
[23:36] fairwinds: shoud be \ or consistent /
[23:36] bnoordhuis: fairwinds: forward slashes should work
[23:37] adamfshh: devaholic I mean when the request comes in it holds informations and before those arrive you can't end the request with res.end
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[23:38] adamfshh: this is what i experienced :)
[23:38] adamfshh: try it out by uploading a file if you don't believe me
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[23:38] jaequery: phantomjs don't work on ubuntu?
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[23:39] devaholic: jaequery i was going to mention phantom.js earlier, but idk where you'd fit it in really
[23:39] jaequery: phantomjs looks awesome
[23:39] jaequery: i wonder how it compares performance wise with others, mainly webkit2png
[23:40] devaholic: why do you want to end the request before the request has arrived?
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[23:40] adamfshh: devaholic it's simple because I don't want to wait for a 10GB file to be uploaded when I don't even support .AVI file formats for example :D
[23:41] adamfshh: so to show errors even before the file was uploaded
[23:41] adamfshh: or it was fully uploaded, because some information has to be uplaoded, like the mime type etc...
[23:41] jaequery: can't you check for the filesize?
[23:42] adamfshh: I can, but I can't end the request 
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[23:42] adamfshh: if the filesize is too big
[23:42] jaequery: why not just output a blank response 
[23:42] jaequery: or a http error code
[23:43] adamfshh: do you mean ending the request with response.end()?
[23:43] jaequery: yeah
[23:43] adamfshh: because it is not possible to end the file uploading with response.end
[23:44] jaequery: hm not sure
[23:44] jaequery: you do have an interesting problem i'd like to see get resolved
[23:45] adamfshh: really? you are reading in my mind
[23:45] adamfshh: :D
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[23:46] adamfshh: there must be a way to do it because http://transloadit.com/ has solved it somehow
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[23:47] tuhoojabotti: lulz
[23:48] adamfshh: tuhoojabotti what an odd name xD
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[23:48] tuhoojabotti: Yours even more odd.
[23:48] tuhoojabotti: +is
[23:48] adamfshh: do you think so?
[23:48] adamfshh: :D
[23:48] jaequery: you are all odd
[23:48] adamfshh: mine comes from Adam Fisher, and yours?
[23:49] tuhoojabotti: DESTROYER BOT
[23:49] tuhoojabotti: :U
[23:49] adamfshh: what?
[23:49] tuhoojabotti: In finnish.
[23:49] tuhoojabotti: Obviously.
[23:49] tuhoojabotti: It's almost 3am here
[23:49] CarterL: does not compute
[23:49] adamfshh: here 1:49 AM
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[23:49] CarterL: 6:49pm here
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[23:49] clifton: anyone using no.de for nko>
[23:49] clifton: ?
[23:50] tuhoojabotti: I'm using WebGL!
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[23:53] zgryw: clifton: +1
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[23:53] adamfshh: zgryw: clifton + 1 = undefined
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[23:53] clifton: word, i assume our ops guy getting invalid public key is purposeful for the next 7 minutes
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[23:54] zgryw: adamfshh: u are damn right
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[23:54] adamfshh: zgryw of course
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[23:55] clifton: $ node -e '"clifton" + 1'
[23:55] clifton: clifton1
[23:55] adamfshh: o.O
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[23:55] adamfshh: what's that -e ?
[23:55] zgryw: eval?
[23:55] clifton: exec
[23:55] clifton: or maybe eval
[23:55] adamfshh: elephant
[23:56] bnoordhuis: clifton: maybe try #joyent
[23:56] clifton: idk, every interpreter for every language has -e
[23:56] clifton: idk, asked in there
[23:56] clifton: its alright
[23:56] clifton: we can use linode if we run into snags aint no prob
[23:56] clifton: no.de looks sweet though
[23:57] arlolra: which host has the best websocket support?
[23:57] NodeBuddy: node.js sucks :<
[23:57] adamfshh: NodeBuddy you are right
[23:57] adamfshh: :((
[23:57] adamfshh: I can't event upload a file normally
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[23:57] slaskis: 4 moar minutes!
[23:57] NodeBuddy: adamfshh: Well, I figured that out :p
[23:57] adamfshh: what?
[23:57] Fabryz: it's 2 minutes
[23:58] NodeBuddy: 
ACTION wrote a 2,700 Lines Of Code node.js app that is sometimes timing out

[23:58] NodeBuddy: :<
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[23:58] adamfshh: NodeBuddy did you figured out how to upload a file normally with nodejs?
[23:58] adamfshh: or you figured out that you are right?
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[23:59] tonymilne: 1 minute! :)
[23:59] DrMcKay: is it knockout already?
[23:59] slaskis: 1 minute!
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[23:59] DrMcKay: oh.
[23:59] slaskis: :P
[23:59] adamfshh: what are you talking about guys? why are you counting ?
[23:59] NodeBuddy: adamfshh: Yes. With a post handler.
[23:59] slaskis: check the title...
[23:59] `3rdEden: arlolra no.de has the best by far
[23:59] wadey: is there a nko chan?
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[23:59] Fabryz: wadey yes #nodeknockout
[23:59] adamfshh: NodeBuddy what kind of post handler?
[23:59] arlolra: `3rdEden: thanks