[00:00] ale: Please, can anyone help me with private rooms chats? How can I manage them with sessions?
[00:02] physpeters: mjr_: do you suppose that could be used to delegate to a narwhal app?
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[00:02] mjr_: I don't see why not.
[00:02] mjr_: Assuming it talks HTTP
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[00:02] davidbanham: ale: That's a pretty broad question. What's the exact problem you're trying to solve?
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[00:08] teadict: so...
[00:08] teadict: does everyone use Bones?
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[00:09] teadict: or is it preferrable to do Express and Backbone oneself?
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[00:14] spetrea: teadict: well, some chatty thing
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[00:14] teadict: who? what?
[00:15] spetrea: teadict: some friends and me
[00:16] spetrea: teadict: except we have a dayjob and I personally seem to not find the time to write on it as much as I'd like
[00:16] spetrea: s/write/work/
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[00:21] teadict: spetrea: oh, the hacking
[00:22] mscdex: Nexxy: nope, we're waiting for you write that server ;-)
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[00:23] spetrea: teadict: I hack pretty often
[00:23] spetrea: the only problem is I loose momentum
[00:23] spetrea: I mean I still keep all the ideas in the back of my head
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[00:23] spetrea: but it just seems that I do this and that which distract me completely from working on those projects
[00:23] spetrea: I need to do something to organize myself better
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[00:24] arlolra: SubStack: will jadeify work with express helpers?
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[00:42] Nexxy: mscdex, too much on my plate!
[00:42] Nexxy: besides, I'm waiting on SubStack to write an RFC lexer
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[00:45] nickbruun: ryah, does the non strict dialect of ES5 still allow for octal literals?
[00:46] wavephorm: none of the sqlite modules work with node 0.5 ? gotta downgrade :(
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[00:48] teadict: spetrea: I hear you
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[00:53] thatdutchguy: hi
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[00:55] pkrumins: github is down!
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[00:55] mscdex: i just noticed
[00:55] TooTallNate: pkrumins: haha, I was just about to say the same thing
[00:56] TooTallNate: mscdex: so I already replied to the commit, but I'm setting `prototype.__proto__`
[00:56] TooTallNate: not the prototype directly
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[00:56] mscdex: ah
[00:56] pkrumins: github is down, means i do a suicide
[00:56] pkrumins: cause i can't exist anymore
[00:56] AvianFlu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILVfzx5Pe-A
[00:56] TooTallNate: prototype.__proto__ in that case would be Object.prototype
[00:56] thatdutchguy: I'm a node newbie, and am creating a command line based tool. Since my tool has a lib folder and several subdirectories, how would I go about resolving files in these, as the paths are relative to where the program is being run from. I'm basing them off of process.argv now but that seems a little hacky.. Anyone have some good advice?
[00:56] mscdex: pkrumins: this is a developer channel after all
[00:56] mscdex: pkrumins: ;-)
[00:56] pkrumins: all of us
[00:56] davidbanham: OH MY GOD GITHUB IS DOWN THE WORLD IS ENDING.
[00:57] pkrumins: should do mass suicide
[00:57] AvianFlu: thatdutchguy: require('../subfolder/folder') etc.
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[00:57] thatdutchguy: AvianFlu: that tries to resolve them from the current working directory for me
[00:57] mscdex: maybe github is switching to node for their main web server
[00:57] mscdex: :p
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[00:57] TheEmpath: HAIL NODELINGS
[00:57] TooTallNate: grrr, can't even push commits!
[00:57] AvianFlu: right, what were you trying to do instead?
[00:58] chjj: githubs back up
[00:58] AvianFlu: cool
[00:58] pkrumins: back up
[00:58] chjj: that was close
[00:58] pkrumins: i live
[00:58] chjj: my head almost exploded
[00:58] pkrumins: close call
[00:58] pkrumins: i almost cut myself 
[00:58] pkrumins: to death
[00:58] pkrumins: patching up
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[00:58] AvianFlu: now you guys can check out the leet lib I made in 20 minutes http://github.com/AvianFlu/hashbangify
[00:58] AvianFlu: note: mostly a joke.
[00:59] pkrumins: what does it do
[00:59] chjj: does it bangify things?
[00:59] AvianFlu: it hashbangifies node scripts for you and does a +x
[00:59] pkrumins: oh that's what it does
[00:59] AvianFlu: you know, for the lulz
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[01:00] mscdex: it's back down
[01:00] mscdex: heh
[01:00] chjj: noooo
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[01:00] AvianFlu: lol http://status.github.com/
[01:00] pkrumins: down again
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[01:01] chjj: github needs more webscale
[01:01] chjj: we should give them more webscale
[01:01] pkrumins: bye cruel world
[01:01] TooTallNate: 
ACTION hands over webscale

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[01:02] chjj: oh
[01:02] chjj: back up
[01:02] chjj: tootallnate's webscale worked it seems
[01:03] TooTallNate: haha
[01:03] pkrumins: i live
[01:03] pkrumins: it's up again
[01:04] mscdex: down again
[01:04] mscdex: haha
[01:05] chjj: haha
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[01:05] chjj: poor pkrumins
[01:05] pkrumins: down fuuuck
[01:05] pkrumins: this is painful
[01:05] pkrumins: i am cutting myself
[01:05] mscdex: let's head to bitbucket!
[01:05] chjj: i think im actually starting to believe him when he says that
[01:05] pkrumins: my veins are gonna go loose soon
[01:05] mscdex: (kidding)
[01:05] pkrumins: and i am not kidding here
[01:06] pkrumins: i am cutting my arteries now
[01:06] thatdutchguy: AvianFlu: I want the paths relative to where the app lives, regardless where it's called from
[01:06] mscdex: back up!
[01:06] AvianFlu: you're picturing a CLI tool that's installed on somebody's path, right?
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[01:06] pkrumins: back up
[01:07] pkrumins: horay
[01:07] pkrumins: \o/
[01:07] pkrumins: no more cutting
[01:07] ossareh: 
ACTION nudges pkrumins 

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[01:07] pkrumins: hey man
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[01:08] ossareh: how's it going?
[01:08] pkrumins: goes awesome
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[01:09] pkrumins: hacking like it was the last day of my life
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[01:09] thatdutchguy: AvianFlu: exactly
[01:09] ossareh: nice, what have you guys added recently? Been a few weeks since I fired up a browserling window (ever since we decided to not give a shit about IE :))
[01:09] isaacs: AvianFlu: https://github.com/isaacs/dotfiles/blob/master/.extra.bashrc#L236-265
[01:10] pkrumins: ossareh: adding testling as we speak right now
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[01:10] pkrumins: otherwise we havent added anything else after tunnels
[01:10] ossareh: nice, I like that idea a lot
[01:10] AvianFlu: so wait a minute isaacs, you've got an auto-shebang in your bashrc?
[01:10] ossareh: did you sort out the https auth stuff?
[01:10] ossareh: http*
[01:10] AvianFlu: that's just gangster.
[01:10] isaacs: AvianFlu: yeah
[01:10] pkrumins: ossareh: oh snap, what was that?
[01:10] pkrumins: forgot what it was
[01:11] pkrumins: i dont think i looked into that in the end
[01:11] AvianFlu: thatdutchguy: your easiest road is to develop it, and then have people do 'npm install yourapp -g'
[01:11] isaacs: i type `shebang foo.sh bash` and it adds #!/usr/bin/bash to foo.sh and chmods it
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[01:11] AvianFlu: lol nice
[01:11] ossareh: I had some issue where my site was behind a basic auth and I couldn't get paste it - I've mostly forgotten now :)
[01:11] isaacs: AvianFlu: you can also do:  shebang foo.js env node
[01:11] pkrumins: oh that one
[01:11] pkrumins: http auth
[01:11] pkrumins: ossareh: the ! char
[01:11] AvianFlu: nice
[01:11] isaacs: AvianFlu: and it'll do "#!/usr/bin/env node"
[01:11] pkrumins: ossareh: yep, the fixed that, can now type all keys
[01:11] ossareh: pkrumins: ahh yes - that was it :)
[01:11] context: what do you call those mats you put on the floor for your computer chair to roll around on
[01:12] AvianFlu: yeah, isaacs wins
[01:12] pkrumins: ossareh: so how are you doing? still at justin.tv?
[01:12] pkrumins: or some new venture? ;)
[01:12] ossareh: context: "chair floor mat" is the best we came up with
[01:12] AvianFlu: thatdutchguy: npm install whatever -g will put it and its deps on a global path, and wherever you call it will be the process.cwd
[01:12] SubStack: 
ACTION waves

[01:12] ossareh: pkrumins: still at jtv - making node super core.
[01:13] AvianFlu: thatdutchguy: while you develop, deal with it, and when you're done, npm will solve it for you, in other words
[01:13] pkrumins: node super core, sounds hard core.
[01:13] pkrumins: what does it do?
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[01:15] isaacs: AvianFlu: pbind, pbund, and pbgist are super handy, too
[01:15] SubStack: arlolra: express helpers I have no idea how that would work
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[01:15] isaacs: AvianFlu: https://github.com/isaacs/dotfiles/blob/master/.extra.bashrc#L380-386
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[01:17] CIA-65: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * rb433c42 10/ (common.gypi node.gyp): gyp: Support Linux - http://bit.ly/qar5zH
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[01:18] CIA-65: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * re57ed54 10/ tools/gyp/pylib/gyp/generator/make.py : GYP Support python 2.5.2 - http://bit.ly/nDXzel
[01:18] arlolra: SubStack: k. thks. i figured out a way to work around my problem
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[01:21] ossareh: pkrumins: hah, I meant trying to make it very important, we're building all sorts of new features (and rebuilding some old ones) using node
[01:21] ossareh: hence me now lurking
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[01:24] pkrumins: ossareh: gotcha
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[01:27] CIA-65: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r72246d9 10/ tools/gyp/pylib/gyp/generator/make.py : Complete GYP support for Python 2.5.2 - http://bit.ly/nv3WPJ
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[01:28] pkrumins: AvianFlu: you can do it with this one-liner: find . -name '*.js' -exec sed -ie '1{/^#/s|.*|#!/usr/bin/env node|;t;s|^|#!/usr/bin/env node\n|}' ';'
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[01:56] emostar: Hello... is there a difference between setTimeout(....); return; and return setTimeout(...); ?
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[01:58] chilts: one returns the id of the timeout created, the other discards the returned timeout id and returns nothing
[01:59] emostar: i'm seeing behaviour that with "return setTimeout" the timeout doesn't get called
[01:59] emostar: but the other way works as expected
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[02:01] bradleymeck: emostar: gist a full example?
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[02:03] emostar: bradleymeck: it will take me some time to strip it down to a gist. Is "return setTimeout(...);" supposed to work, or am I doing something bad in Javascript?
[02:03] justinTNT: it should werk.
[02:04] emostar: alright... I'll see about making a gist then
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[02:05] AAA_awright: node-inspector is giving me a new error Error: Cannot find module 'websocket-server'
[02:05] AAA_awright: Anyone know what this is about?
[02:05] AAA_awright: I don't see any submodules to pull
[02:06] bradleymeck: AAA_awright how did you install node-inspector
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[02:07] AAA_awright: bradleymeck: I've cloned with git
[02:07] AAA_awright: It's worked that way for 8-10 months now
[02:07] bradleymeck: did you upgrade node recently? I have a clone from a week ago and after npm install it worked fine
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[02:08] AAA_awright: I'm always on master, node -v prints v0.5.3-pre
[02:09] bradleymeck: id avoid 0.5.x if you arent forward porting modules
[02:09] Zebra12_: i want to use node.js as a routing layer to some older apps on my system. Basically 1) request comes in 2) node looks up which system to send it to and passes the request to that app 3) that app returns to node 4) node returns to the client.
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[02:10] bradleymeck: Zebra12_ what protocols?
[02:11] Zebra12_: i assume just http
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[02:11] bradleymeck: https://github.com/nodejitsu/node-http-proxy
[02:11] Zebra12_: the other apps are php apps that currently are serving directly to the client when the request comes in
[02:12] bradleymeck: Zebra12_ just use the proxy I linked and it should be pretty easy to load balance or route requests
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[02:13] Zebra12_: bradleymeck: that looks like what i want. the idea is that in the future I will be changing these app to return JSON instead of html like they are doing now, and then slowly rewrite the tempting layer in node
[02:14] Zebra12_: that makes sense right?
[02:15] bradleymeck: sounds fine to me, a journey router or express app and http-proxy should be more than enough for the whole process
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[02:16] Zebra12_: that is what i was thinking. i need to read more about this sweet http-proxy lib before i have any other questions
[02:16] Zebra12_: bradleymeck: thanks a lot
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[02:53] Zebra12_: bradleymeck: i've looked into the http-proxy lib, but noticed one limitation. i proxy a path as well?  'localhost/whynot': 'google.com/chrome'
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[02:55] bradleymeck: you dont have to, but you could
[02:56] Zebra12_: doesn't seem like i can
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[02:56] Zebra12_: if i use something like 'localhost/chrome': 'google.com' it passes ok
[02:57] Zebra12_: i guess that kind of makes sense tho. hrm
[02:57] bradleymeck: you cant do it like that, basic domain routing must be combined with actual request.url checks if you want to do that
[02:57] bradleymeck: this isnt a proxytable like apache
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[03:44] spetrea: is Ms. for married women and Mrs. for not-yet-married women ?
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[03:46] chilts: spetrea: usually the other way around
[03:46] chilts: but Ms can be used for a lot of things now, so it's not always a rule
[03:46] DrPizza: Ms is for when their marital status is indeterminate
[03:46] spetrea: how about if I do not know if she's married or not ? what if it's a cover letter to some recruiter who happens to be a woman ?
[03:46] chilts: or if it's preferred to be used
[03:46] DrPizza: Ms.
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[03:47] chilts: yeah, that's probably best
[03:47] spetrea: Ms. ?
[03:47] chilts: yup
[03:47] DrPizza: although I still regard Ms as tantamount to lesbianism
[03:47] spetrea: thanks :)
[03:47] DrPizza: Perhaps I am just oldfashioned.
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[03:56] Marak: DrPizza: Ahh a good old fashioned! 
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[04:18] tbranyen: chrisdickinson: git.js is kind of slow :-/
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[04:24] tim_smart: tbranyen: Has someone bound to http://libgit2.github.com/ ?
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[04:25] tim_smart: https://github.com/libgit2/node-gitteh <- Seems they have
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[04:35] jesusabdullah: What's libgit2?
[04:36] jesusabdullah: Huh! nvm :)
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[04:48] chrisdickinson: tbranyen: yeah, i'm working on it
[04:48] chrisdickinson: tim_smart: re: libgit2, it's cool, but i'd really like an in-browser / native js git, and git.js seems to fit the bill
[04:49] tim_smart: chrisdickinson: Gotcha
[04:50] chrisdickinson: tbranyen: suspect number one for slowness is deflate/inflate; unfortunately i haven't found a suitable node package that implements raw inflate / deflate the way git's expecting it
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[04:50] chrisdickinson: the groundwork for dropping in an async zlib is there now, though
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[05:10] spetrea: yesssssssssssssSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[05:15] tktiddle: hi Im haveing a little trouble compiling node, can anyone help? http://fpaste.org/svck/
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[05:27] tktiddle: can anyone help compile node? http://fpaste.org/svck/
[05:29] japj: tktiddle: which version of node are you trying to compile?
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[05:33] japj: tktiddle: it could be you are hit by the following issue https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1355
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[05:37] brokenjames: How do you guys feel about Mootools
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[05:38] brokenjames: If I wrote a nice tool but you saw I was using the OO Mootools and you had to use it to extend my tool would you just be like fuck it
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[05:45] statico: any ideas on how i could figure out why my node script suddenly stops printing output mid-line, takes 100% cpu, and begins to eat up ram?
[05:46] statico: other than line-by-line debugging and commenting, of course
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[05:47] mscdex: ugh pdfkit uses binary strings instead of Buffers ><
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[06:00] tktiddle: japj: spot on.
[06:01] tktiddle: thnls
[06:01] tktiddle: ! thanks
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[06:02] abraxas: mscdex: binary strings? in javascript, what the hell does that mean? :)
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[06:17] mscdex: abraxas: node has a legacy string encoding called 'binary' which was used before Buffer was available
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[06:18] jesusabdullah: I'd almost forgotten about that
[06:18] jesusabdullah: pre-buffer, I mean
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[06:23] zilch: apart from the status of free memory  decreasing over time ... I know nothing ! as what part of the code is responsible for the leaks
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[06:26] abraxas: mscdex: oh really? i guess that didn't work out too well?
[06:26] xeodox: how do I make cookies work across subdomains (in Express)
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[06:27] mscdex: abraxas: it works, but it's a hack
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[07:09] tktiddle: Hi im having trouble getting some code to run with node, has anyone got any suggestions on what I could try? http://fpaste.org/BwCU/
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[07:11] chjj: tktiddle: what are you trying to do there>?
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[07:14] chjj: jesusabdullah: you update gists like crazy
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[07:19] mscdex: tktiddle: we need to see code, it's hard to tell just by that error
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[07:20] acedrew: anybody had a chance to play with smartos?
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[07:22] mscdex: acedrew: is that a mentos knockoff?
[07:22] tktiddle: its the sixth line here crashing out http://pastie.org/2379291 and giving this error http://fpaste.org/BwCU/ (updated)
[07:23] tktiddle: This is the first time ive used node, im trying to run a project from git hub so excuse me for not knowing what Im doint here
[07:23] AvianFlu: tktiddle: looks like you need some mime
[07:23] AvianFlu: try 'npm install' from the project dir
[07:23] tktiddle: do I have to install mime?
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[07:23] chjj: tktiddle: two different paste sites? ;p
[07:24] mscdex: tktiddle: which project is it?
[07:24] tktiddle: https://github.com/automata/osc-web
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[07:25] chjj: tktiddle, im very confused now, it says youre trying to require a module with the filename of 'osc-web-server.js'
[07:26] mscdex: it looks like that project needs to be updated
[07:26] mscdex: it's still using require.paths
[07:26] mscdex: :/
[07:26] chjj: i dont see that in your code
[07:26] tktiddle: o dear
[07:26] tktiddle: perhaps its time for me to learn some node
[07:27] chjj: always a good idea
[07:28] AvianFlu: tktiddle++
[07:28] tktiddle: thanks for the help guys
[07:28] AvianFlu: well what the fuck, no bots!?
[07:28] AvianFlu: no problem, anytime!
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[07:28] jesusabdullah: chjj: like a boss
[07:28] chjj: haha
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[07:29] chjj: i look at my newsfeed, its all "jesusabdullah" everywhere
[07:29] mscdex: tktiddle: it may be worth creating an issue on that project's repo
[07:29] chjj: jesusabdullah updated gist: 1147916 August 16, 2011
[07:29] mscdex: tktiddle: the author may be able to help you
[07:29] chjj: thats all i see
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[07:34] chjj: mmm, my markdown parser is now a monster
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[07:35] jesusabdullah: my deltas are the best
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[07:39] chjj: how is showdown actually supposed to be used? instantiate a converter every time or reuse the same one? from looking at the code it looks like reusing it can cause problems
[07:39] chjj: im trying to figure out the "fairest" way of benchmarking against it
[07:39] chjj: https://github.com/chjj/marked/blob/master/test/bench.js
[07:39] chjj: its so damn strangely written
[07:39] chjj: i cant tell
[07:40] mscdex: stranger than non-fiction?
[07:41] chjj: i suppose so
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[07:59] industrial: Anyone use Mongoose? I keep getting schema errors :s
[07:59] industrial: https://gist.github.com/9bfcfc72fc5a60eec47c
[07:59] industrial: on the delete
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[08:00] industrial: CastError: Cast to non_object_property_load failed for value ""
[08:00] industrial: theres not supposed to be a value
[08:00] industrial: ..
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[08:04] jasonmog: how do i include external dependencies with Vows?
[08:05] industrial: jasonmog: require?
[08:06] jasonmog: tru dat?
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[08:08] jasonmog: can i include non-node.js javascript?
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[08:11] jasonmog: i think so
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[08:18] jasonmog: okay importing sencha touch isn't going to work in server-side javascript
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[08:18] jasonmog: expects too many browser provided identifiers
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[08:27] damiano: hello everybody
[08:28] damiano: i'm using nodemailer to send email (plain)...i also need to save the IP address of the email that the user sends
[08:28] damiano: i do
[08:28] damiano: body: text + '\n\n-------------------------\n' + 'IP: ' + req.socket.remoteAddress
[08:28] damiano: \n\n <--- seems are not interpreted
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[08:28] damiano: what is wrong?
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[08:49] Polysics: hello
[08:49] Polysics: anyone using socket.io?
[08:49] Polysics: i have an environment where the only allowed HTTP ports for traffic are 80 and 443
[08:49] Polysics: very restrictive proxy
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[08:49] Polysics: and was looking for a solution, maybe a reverse proxy?
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[08:54] |Freeman|: Polysics: if your question is socket.io related you can ask on #socket.io if you didn't allready
[08:54] Polysics: |Freeman|, sorry, i didn't think there was a channel for that
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[08:55] |Freeman|: Polysics: no problem, i was just saying one more place where you could find an answer
[08:56] Polysics: i am seeing everywhere that the general consensus is not to reverse proxy node
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[08:56] Polysics: but usually to use node AS the reverse proxy
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[09:10] theCode: any reviews of node_redis?
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[09:22] damiano: body: text + '\n\n-------------------------\n' + 'IP: ' + req.socket.remoteAddress
[09:22] damiano:  \n\n <--- seems are not interpreted
[09:22] damiano: i'm using nodemailer to send email (plain)
[09:22] damiano: do i have to use " instead of '
[09:22] damiano: ?
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[09:30] hekkwan: Hi all, Im building a SMS gateway on Node, and one of the requirements is to create filters that detect abuse of the service before processing inbound SMS. I have built a object that represents the message, and I want to chain functions together that get called on the object before it gets processed. The trick is that the Sequalize node module uses callbacks (obviously) for non-blocking IO, so I think there wont be a way to control the flow
[09:30] hekkwan:  of the chain. Is my idea just not the right way to approach this kind of problem in Node?
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[09:33] Clex: hekkwan: how is asynchronism a problem?
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[09:37] mscdex: damiano: maybe try the emailjs module
[09:37] blax: hi there, could anyone suggest quick and right way to do mixed http and https support without too much code duplication (i want same routes to be available through both protocols, only some of them limited to https)?
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[09:37] mscdex: blax: easy, just write your event handlers as named functions instead of anonymous and have the http and https servers use the same functions
[09:37] damiano: mscdex, is not a " --> ' problem?
[09:38] mscdex: damiano: never use nodemailer, so i don't know
[09:38] mscdex: er
[09:38] mscdex: *i've never used nodemailer
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[09:39] damiano: ok
[09:39] damiano: i will look at emailjs module
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[09:42] blax: mscdex: but if I want to use express, that means I still have to bind every single handler to every route two times using get function?
[09:42] blax: mscdex: or am I missing something obvious
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[09:43] jetienne: hi
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[09:47] mscdex: blax: here's one way: https://gist.github.com/1051583
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[09:47] blax: mscdex: thanks a lot!
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[09:48] mscdex: blax: and fwiw here's the related github issue: https://github.com/visionmedia/express/issues/617
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[09:50] sebastianedwards: Hi guys. I'm kind of new to the async way of thinking. I'm running into an issue where I have a method which gives out auto-incrementing ID's but I'm finding that I'm getting giving duplicate ID's if I ask for a few at once. I sort of understand why it is happening but not sure what to do about it.
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[09:52] garrensmith: sebastianedwards: what is your question?
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[09:54] sebastianedwards: garrensmith: how can I make sure the method is called sequentially and unique ID's are given?
[09:55] garrensmith: could I see some code as an example of what your problem is
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[09:55] TheJH: ryah, in case you're here, what do you think about putting "If you have questions about your code, gist it" or so in the topic?
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[10:00] iivvoo: hi
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[10:04] andreyvit: Hey. Any v8 gurus here? I'm running out of memory trying to process a bunch of Apache files. I've stripped down my example to a few lines, which fail consistently on my MacBook Pro (with 8 Gb of RAM). Here: https://gist.github.com/1148761
[10:05] japj: I think currently there is a 1Gb max v8 limit
[10:06] andreyvit: Heap max of 1 Gb would be consistent with the experiment, but it's crazy. Do you know of any way to raise it?
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[10:07] bnoordhuis: andreyvit: play around with --max_old_space_size=x where x is a value in MBs
[10:07] japj: see also http://code.google.com/p/v8/issues/detail?id=847
[10:07] bnoordhuis: andreyvit: there are still some other hard limits in effect though
[10:08] andreyvit: Thanks guys.
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[10:12] sebastianedwards: okay here it is: https://gist.github.com/1148778
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[10:12] sebastianedwards: it's in coffeescript and has a bit of zeromq noise around it but hopefully is clear enough
[10:13] zorzar: is anybody aware of a postgres library for node that is capable of doing stored procedures?
[10:14] sebastianedwards: my issue is I have multiple processes calling getNewID though handleMessage at the same time. I'm ending up with duplicate ID's and am not sure why
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[10:15] sebastianedwards: Shouldn't the single-threaded nature of node prevent this?
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[10:18] andreyvit: Looks like 1.2 Gb is the maximum I can squeeze out of Node. Very sad. Thanks again for your help.
[10:18] blueadept: anyone here use postgres with node?
[10:20] Abacab: I was going to ask how people use node
[10:20] Abacab: I mean - all respect
[10:20] Abacab: but to understand - what IS the big deal ? 
[10:20] Abacab: async socket handling ? 
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[10:20] Abacab: I am missing something probable.
[10:20] Abacab: probably.
[10:21] blueadept: it's actually not a bad function language
[10:21] Abacab: SURE is a lot of interesting.
[10:21] Abacab: er, interest in it.
[10:21] blueadept: closures
[10:21] Abacab: how is it used, and where ? 
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[10:21] blueadept: it's also highly optimized with the v8 engine
[10:22] blueadept: really fast
[10:22] iivvoo: hi.. if I understand correctly, the common way to deploy node.js with apache is to use some sort of proxying and run/manage the node process separately (eg using supervisor)?
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[10:22] iivvoo: no mod_wsgi / mod_passenger like thingies
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[10:22] jetienne: iivvoo: correct
[10:22] Abacab: well
[10:22] Abacab: if anyone wants to
[10:22] blueadept: livvoo: yeah i use https://github.com/nodejitsu/node-http-proxy
[10:22] Abacab: what would be a real world situation
[10:23] garrensmith: Abacab: have you tried it yourself?
[10:23] Abacab: where someone goes 'the solution is node.js'
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[10:23] Abacab: I'm not anti-node
[10:23] Abacab: just trying to get my arms around what it's about
[10:23] Abacab: or why it's so attractive- and it seems to be
[10:23] blueadept: it's just a programming language
[10:23] Abacab: something about async io
[10:23] blueadept: i would try to make something 
[10:23] Abacab: oh, it's a language ok - 
[10:23] Abacab: I thought it was a javascript library
[10:23] Abacab: for async io
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[10:23] jetienne: Abacab: code it for a day, this will give you a better answer
[10:23] Abacab: for js
[10:24] Abacab: primarily wbe based.
[10:24] iivvoo: it's like twisted for javascript, sorta, am I right?
[10:24] framlin: Abacab: if you want to use the same prog-language for web-client and web-server .... -> NODEJS
[10:24] iivvoo: if that means anything to you
[10:24] blueadept: well
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[10:24] garrensmith: sebastianedwards: no idea it should just work. How are you running that code
[10:24] blueadept: ok, it's javascript
[10:24] blueadept: thats the language
[10:24] blueadept: but it's server side
[10:24] Abacab: well still though
[10:24] Abacab: what does it do in a real world server scenario ? 
[10:24] jetienne: no real world
[10:24] framlin: Abacab: Jav
[10:24] Abacab: and again - ALL respect- just asking... to understand better.
[10:24] iivvoo: right, and that's special - you can do js on client and server
[10:25] framlin: JavaScript ... for both
[10:25] blueadept: you can make a lighweight servers very easily
[10:25] garrensmith: Abacab: probably best to try it and then see
[10:25] jetienne: Abacab: real world is php
[10:25] Abacab: I'm not getting an answer yet - but that's okay
[10:25] Abacab: real world is NOT php
[10:25] Abacab: I will not- and do not use php
[10:25] jetienne: Abacab: go out and check
[10:25] Abacab: I want freedom FROM php
[10:25] Abacab: php to me is a hack
[10:25] jetienne: Abacab: or better go code something
[10:25] iivvoo: javascript is a hack :)
[10:25] jetienne: iivvoo: this is true :) http://wtfjs.org
[10:26] Abacab: but - is node.js something that I could use OTHER than php ? or say- asp ? or asp.net ?
[10:26] framlin: Abacab: If you highliy distributed system with diffrent kinds of "server" tcp, socket, http, telnet ....  -> nodejs
[10:26] Abacab: or some cgi solution ? PERL based etc? 
[10:26] jetienne: Abacab: not really
[10:26] Abacab: framlin - you are closest perhaps - that's kind of what I thought.
[10:26] blueadept: Abacab: http://www.quora.com/Node-js/What-companies-are-using-Node-js-in-production
[10:26] Abacab: was just looking to nail what it is and what it isn't
[10:26] framlin: Abacab: nodejs is optimized fpr networking
[10:26] Abacab: thank you blue
[10:26] blueadept: thats a decent list of some companies using node exclusively 
[10:26] Abacab: I will explore that link
[10:26] Abacab: and I think I'll get my answer
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[10:27] jetienne: more seriously the stability of the library prevent serious usage, as in i want it to still run in 3years
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[10:27] Abacab: I WOULD love a real world example though
[10:27] Abacab: of when someone would say- ah- node.js is what we want OVER X, Y or Z
[10:27] jetienne: Abacab: what is the real world you keep talking about 
[10:27] framlin: http may be called a "first class prototcoll" for nodejs, but netrworking in general and passing/piping data from net-node to net-node ist THE node-feature .... if you like JavaScript ... ;)
[10:27] Abacab: jet- lol
[10:28] jetienne: Abacab: i was serious
[10:28] blueadept: Abacab: here's a cool realtime aution dashboard written all in node: http://labs.metamx.com/
[10:28] Abacab: no lol Jet- I mean production environment
[10:28] Abacab: if you didn't make that jump
[10:28] blueadept: i'm working on something like this
[10:28] Abacab: least I didn't say unreal world
[10:28] Abacab: but I suppose I didn imply - and introduce a polarity
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[10:28] jetienne: Abacab: node == super hard to find good dev + bad doc + very few libraries
[10:28] blueadept: anyone here using postgres for node, i have a question about inserting huge statements for schema creation
[10:29] framlin: Abacab: and with node comes a "new paradigm" non-blocking-async-evet-driven-architcture
[10:29] Abacab: I mean, you EXPLICITLY say 'real world' you IMPLY - some unreal world exists.
[10:29] jetienne: Abacab: my advice is dont use it :)
[10:29] jetienne: much easier to find dev in ruby/php than javascript. 
[10:29] blueadept: well here's the thing, with other languages, it's hard to find libs that are written in a non-blocking fashion
[10:29] Abacab: framlin - I DO get the event driven aspect - inherited from js
[10:29] Abacab: thanks for sharing that insight though
[10:29] jetienne: so not production ready
[10:29] blueadept: with node, everything is non-blocking
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[10:30] Abacab: so, node is heavily connected to 'non blocking' 
[10:30] blueadept: well yeah
[10:30] Abacab: I DID see Ryan's google tech talk
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[10:30] Abacab: was neat to see someone use the term 'asshole' in a public conference.
[10:30] framlin: Abacab: yes, so you know it from the browser - or maybe, from other systems like Delphi was in earlier days;
[10:30] blueadept: you dont have to wait for operations to finish to go on to the next piece of code
[10:30] Abacab: but it worked- all geek in Ryal aside.
[10:30] blueadept: which is create for lots of highly concurrent connections and such
[10:30] blueadept: create*great
[10:31] framlin: Abacab: but with node, you may take this architecture/pardigm and move it to the server
[10:31] Abacab: so's0rs- asynch is a critical piece of node. ok
[10:31] Abacab: real world - er, production environment
[10:31] Abacab: when might I use that ? 
[10:31] Abacab: simple page requests ? 
[10:31] blueadept: its the style of how you write the code
[10:31] Abacab: SOUNDS like node can help me skip php
[10:31] Abacab: and go server side js
[10:31] framlin: you may build a system of nodes, that solve problems in a distributed way and communicate over tcp/ip to "syncronize" their async tasks vie events
[10:31] blueadept: its the nature of a functional language like javascript
[10:32] Abacab: framlin - thanks
[10:32] Abacab: that helped
[10:32] blueadept: yeah it's event driven programming
[10:32] Abacab: so, it's event oriented programming
[10:32] Abacab: er, oh - blueadept already said that
[10:32] Abacab: ok
[10:32] Abacab: but the focus is server side
[10:32] Abacab: now, what about node.js on client side ? 
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[10:32] Abacab: or is not much making sense ?
[10:33] Abacab:  when I see .js I think - package or library - is node 'just' that ? a library ? 
[10:33] Abacab: sounds like in essence- it's some async wrapper
[10:33] Abacab: but for what types of i/o ? 
[10:33] framlin: event-driven object-functional oriented programming ...
[10:33] blueadept: ^
[10:33] Abacab: or does node is essence provide some framework for event handling ? 
[10:33] Abacab: to make it easier
[10:34] framlin: nodejs on the client would be like using chrome without any sandbox ;)
[10:34] Abacab: kind like - say JQuery does for GUI 
[10:34] blueadept: yeah people write npm's, or node libs, that deal with specific types of events you want to do
[10:34] blueadept: like express helps with http requesting
[10:34] Abacab: I have to digest that one framlin - it will stick with me for weeks
[10:34] Abacab: well thank you
[10:34] Abacab: for insights - I'm closer
[10:34] Abacab: n00b
[10:34] Abacab: here
[10:35] blueadept: Abacab: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/modules
[10:35] Abacab: I'd say framlin and blue put it well
[10:35] blueadept: that list of modules contains all the popular libs that people use in conjuction with node
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[10:35] dfsfdf: i'd like to see a browser written in js :)
[10:36] SubStack: more comprehensive node modules list: http://search.npmjs.org
[10:36] blueadept: ^ that too
[10:36] Abacab: blue- that's the answer
[10:36] Abacab: thanks
[10:36] Abacab: I'm scouring that page- 
[10:36] Abacab: under SMTP - I see 'full server' etc - ok ok 
[10:36] Abacab: that link shows enough real world uses
[10:37] blueadept: there just like ruby gems more or less
[10:37] framlin: dfsfdf: what I would like to see is a text-oriented browser (like lynx) that is able to eval JavaScript to be able to let "modern" sites runing via console. that should be possible with nodejs
[10:37] Abacab: I'm STILL a little blury on what's 'node' centric'
[10:37] Abacab: I guess it uses a piece of code that's 'node.js' ? 
[10:37] Abacab: and that core piece ? 
[10:37] Abacab: is code that wraps async event handling ? 
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[10:37] Abacab: in a useful manner ? 
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[10:37] Abacab: am I 20% close there ? or 80% ? 
[10:38] dfsfdf: framlin: interesting idea
[10:38] blueadept: 80%
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[10:38] Abacab: ok - great- 
[10:38] Abacab: you're probably privately thinking - more like 53% pal !
[10:38] Abacab: jk jk
[10:38] blueadept: hey i'd just start go makign something
[10:38] blueadept: like whatever it might be
[10:39] blueadept: i like node because of the programming style
[10:39] Abacab: hmm- I came into the www with lynx from VMS
[10:39] blueadept: some people dont like that, and use ruby or python
[10:39] Abacab: reading framlin's comment
[10:39] blueadept: i'm just glad there's a way to program on the server side using a function type language with as much as support as node has right now
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[10:39] Abacab: ah
[10:39] Abacab: I see
[10:39] Abacab: so bye bye php- bye bye asp / asp.net  perl cgi
[10:40] Abacab: hello server side js
[10:40] Abacab: why does node seem to have cornered that ? 
[10:40] blueadept: yeah i think windows just got support actually
[10:40] Abacab: why isn't it just called server side js ? 
[10:40] blueadept: so we're going to start to see more former asp programmingers moving to node perhaps
[10:40] Abacab: OI
[10:40] blueadept: there's been other server side javascript
[10:40] blueadept: but they never did really well
[10:40] Abacab: I'm a former asp developer - lol
[10:40] Abacab: I WAS happy with the five base objects I had to work with
[10:41] blueadept: node.js is the first servier side javascript language to catch on
[10:41] Abacab: I WAS happy with ISAPI mapping.
[10:41] Abacab: blue- that's just it though
[10:41] Abacab: I am not sure to call it a language
[10:41] Abacab: just a package
[10:41] Abacab: or library
[10:41] Abacab: seems it USES js
[10:42] dfsfdf: so what's the single most important advance that led to node? v8? libevent? a new philosophy?
[10:42] Abacab: but -is a base class library for asycn i/o
[10:42] blueadept: v8 was huge i think
[10:42] blueadept: plus more and more people are writing real-time applications
[10:42] Abacab: I don't see how v8 comes into node
[10:42] Abacab: v8 is v8
[10:42] Abacab: and v8 was in of itself - a great success I think
[10:42] Abacab: but I'm not sure how node inherits any glamour from v8
[10:43] Abacab: would be to short the functionality of node
[10:43] Abacab: and that brings me BACK to my original questions
[10:43] Abacab: what IS IT about node
[10:43] blueadept: i know but it's javascript -> machine code
[10:43] Abacab: that makes it so attractive ?
[10:43] Abacab: that wasn't out there already ? 
[10:43] Abacab: oh, I don't want to get into v8 JIT etc.
[10:43] dfsfdf: imo it's a compelling combination of ideas that were out there already
[10:43] Abacab: but - I just am curious about what it IS about node
[10:43] Abacab: that makes it
[10:44] Abacab: quite literally- that makes it
[10:44] blueadept: like i said, make some stuff and see how you like it. i've found myself building most of all my new projects in node
[10:44] Abacab: I COULD predicate with 'makes it what it is'
[10:44] iivvoo: abacab: first of all, its the hype in general, that cannot be always explained. I think
[10:44] Abacab: blue- so - you're saying - node will provide me with a framework
[10:44] iivvoo: also, serverside async javascript. It's something new but also well known
[10:44] Abacab: LIKE ASP
[10:44] iivvoo: people already know javascript
[10:44] Abacab: that I can accomplish server side issues
[10:44] Abacab: http etc
[10:44] Abacab: all with node ? 
[10:44] blueadept: abacab: people have built lightweight frameworks for all sorts of things using node.js
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[10:45] iivvoo: node.js can't do anything other systems can't either - it's all turing complete systems
[10:45] Abacab: I may have just passed the 80% mark !
[10:45] iivvoo: it's just the way how to do it
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[10:45] blueadept: ^
[10:45] Abacab: how 'alive' is node ?
[10:45] Abacab: does the framework grow ? 
[10:45] Abacab: will it 'be' ? 
[10:45] Abacab: or is it a fluke that will die ? 
[10:45] blueadept: there's a lot of people in this channel as you can see
[10:46] Abacab: SOUNDS like it will or can replace php
[10:46] blueadept: 600 is the average per day, everyday
[10:46] Abacab: good point there - 619 lol
[10:46] SubStack: every language dies eventually
[10:46] blueadept: and there are a lot of prolific contributors
[10:46] Abacab: SubStack - well- true
[10:46] Abacab: that's something Crockford would say lol
[10:46] SubStack: every corporation, every person, every great work of literature
[10:46] blueadept: i'm sure in 5 or 10 years another language will come along. but right now javascript is getting a lot of support
[10:47] blueadept: abacab: http://expressjs.com/
[10:47] blueadept: take a look at that framework for http functions
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[10:47] blueadept: its something i use a lot in most of all my projects, but its a lightweight way of building http servers for instance
[10:48] framlin: Abacab: I can only tell it for me. I code JS as my daily languange on large FAt-Clients (XUL/JS). Now there is a simple to use "application-server" that runs on linux and gives me access to the whole system using my alldays favourite language JavaScript
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[10:49] framlin: so I do not have to go to the shelf looking for my perl-cookbook or remember my Java-knowledge to do som little things on my machine
[10:49] blueadept: node.js has also other great projects building on it, like nowjs for instance
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[10:50] blueadept: which is a great way of doing remote functions from client to server
[10:50] framlin: before nodejs I used a mix of awk, sed, perl php scripts to do that thnings, now I use nodejs becaus it gives me acces to the system and JavaScript
[10:50] maushu: I have news!
[10:50] igl: give news!
[10:50] maushu: I was able to interpret the first package of the ssh protocol! Yay!
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[10:50] maushu: The first of many... the first of many...
[10:50] igl: ..and in sports?
[10:50] SubStack: MaSch: package?
[10:51] SubStack: *maushu
[10:51] maushu: SubStack, the key exchange one.
[10:51] SubStack: you got diffie-helman working?
[10:51] SubStack: *hellman
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[10:51] maushu: No, I still haven't answered it.
[10:51] SubStack: oh
[10:51] maushu: Besides, isn't crypto going to help me there?
[10:51] SubStack: maushu: check out how far I got: https://github.com/substack/node-ssh-server
[10:52] SubStack: and https://github.com/substack/node-ssh
[10:52] SubStack: only the server side of things however
[10:52] maushu: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.5.4/api/crypto.html#diffieHellman.generateKeys
[10:52] blueadept: nice
[10:52] blueadept: i might use this
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[10:52] maushu: blueadept, it doesn't work. :p
[10:52] blueadept: ahshiz
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[10:52] maushu: SubStack, I'm trying to go pure javascript.
[10:53] SubStack: hey when did node yet those‽
[10:53] SubStack: maushu: node-ssh-server is pure javascript save the bigint stuff
[10:53] maushu: You need to pay attention to changelog!
[10:53] maushu: SubStack, huh, what about libssh?
[10:53] blup: anyone experienced with bin packing algorithms?
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[10:54] noder1: hello
[10:55] noder1: anyone here using nodemailer to send emails ? trying to make an email form to send emails with attachments from web
[10:55] noder1: formidable gets the file uploads nicely, but nodemailer expects Buffer in attachment list
[10:55] noder1: and formidable only gives a File with a WritableStream attached..
[10:56] maushu: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7gGyL77d
[10:56] maushu: ahahahahaha
[10:56] noder1: what's the easiest way to solve this? (thought of hacking formidable to open a ReadableStream at the same time, but then need to convert the Stream into Buffer)
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[10:56] cl0udy: express comes with http://expressjs.com/guide.html#route-param pre-conditions right?
[10:57] cl0udy: then whats express-params for? https://github.com/visionmedia/express-params
[10:57] cl0udy: is it for additional regexp?
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[11:03] Abacab: so, wish MS ASP - this ISAPI is built in - but with node.js ? I put node.js on the server ? 
[11:03] Abacab: and it's similar ? 
[11:03] Abacab: I can start to handle requests and responses ? 
[11:03] Abacab: using node.js ? is that a big part of it ? 
[11:03] Abacab: that it's a server side 'handling' solution for a web server ? 
[11:03] Abacab: I am guessing I'm 90% on that one
[11:04] Abacab: but just asking that general question 
[11:04] Abacab: and btw- Substack- very neat you chimed in there- I consider you to be one of the ones that gets many things ! 
[11:04] Abacab: I know you from that virtual OS chan
[11:04] Abacab: #stackvm I think it is
[11:04] framlin: Abacab: developing an static-webserver with nodejs is a about 20 lines progrmm
[11:04] Abacab: and THAT stuff is damned neat 
[11:05] igl: just watch this first http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo_B4LTHi3I
[11:05] Abacab: framlin- if you put it THAT way- ok
[11:05] AAA_awright: Abacab: Perhaps the most entertaining talk I've seen is Linus's Git talk
[11:05] framlin: AAA_awright: thats right!
[11:06] Abacab: I JUST made that youtube video my start page.
[11:06] Abacab: why do you say that about Linus ? 
[11:06] framlin: "I thought I could do that much better in two weeks and I did it" ;)
[11:06] Abacab: and his GIT talk ? 
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[11:06] Abacab: to me - GIThub is a great portal to great intellectual offerings.
[11:06] AAA_awright: Only two people in the world have egos the size of the universe AND can pull it off, Linus Torvalds and Zaphoid Beeblebrox. And the latter isn't even a real person.
[11:06] Abacab: so community oriented.
[11:07] AAA_awright: Or even human.
[11:07] Abacab: I never did get far in that text adventure
[11:07] Abacab: I managed to put the fish in the slot
[11:07] Abacab: some robot would come along - Zaphod
[11:07] Abacab: :) - but I don't join you on Linus with ego
[11:07] Abacab: SCO ripoff artist at best ? 
[11:07] ablomen: AAA_awright, are we sure Linus is human?
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[11:08] Abacab: he merely reported SCO
[11:08] Abacab: in my view
[11:08] Abacab: er, re-ported
[11:08] AAA_awright: Now that you mention it, I don't know of any other "humans" who write perfect code the first time through
[11:08] Abacab: but didn't nearly come as close to the hard work for those that put UNIX together 
[11:08] Abacab: AAA_Wright- Douglad Crockford shares no one has ever put forth even a legal html document
[11:08] Abacab: first try
[11:09] Abacab: I did actually code in COBOL once and have it compile first time- lol - SCARY SPUD there- 
[11:09] AAA_awright: Abacab: HTTP is just one protocol that Node.js implements because it's so widely used, the essence of Node.js is also it's motto: Evented I/O
[11:09] Abacab: I'm amazing there is ALWAYS human error involved.  My case - it's USUALLY syntactically - not logic.
[11:09] Abacab: but those logic errors are harder to track indeed.
[11:09] Abacab: only with experience does one make progress there I think.
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[11:10] Abacab: and these days- with multiple processors - parallel loops etc... gets even tougher.
[11:10] Abacab: alas some attraction TO the event driven model- perhaps it's the only SANE approach.
[11:10] Abacab: events - callbacks - leave it at that.
[11:10] Abacab: well- safer.
[11:11] Abacab: no racing issues if done well.
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[11:11] Abacab: all to at BEST model the human intellect responsible for the entire collective of bugs I suppose in the end.
[11:11] Abacab: makes me wonder if we are bug inherent ! as a species. lol
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[11:11] Abacab: could explain nuclear weapons.   ? 
[11:12] Abacab: or at worst - indifferentness to draw need or wanton to use nuclear weapons.
[11:12] AAA_awright: Race conditions are just hard to mistakenly do because you can know exactly how many callbacks are being waited on
[11:12] Abacab: wrong chan - ok ok 
[11:12] Abacab: AAA- right right- new requirements in proper design necessary.
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[11:12] Abacab: for i=1 to 10 - no longer can we count on i being 5 before 2
[11:12] AAA_awright: Abacab: You can tab-complete my nickname you know
[11:13] Abacab: AAA- lol- yes, I know, a flaw in my first use of IRC 1987 out of Helsinki ways.
[11:13] Abacab: well IRC 1459 - IN 1987 I mean - heh..
[11:13] AAA_awright: Mine's like the easiest one to tab complete, <A>, <A>, move one key over <Tab>
[11:13] Abacab: GREAT support here to offer up how node.js is used, what it is- thanks everyone.
[11:14] Abacab: ok ok AAA- hear ya.
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[11:14] AAA_awright: :p
[11:14] Abacab: alright I'll do it AAA_awright !
[11:14] Abacab: tabbed that one !
[11:14] Abacab: just a bad habit I don't do that.
[11:15] AAA_awright: Well gnight #node.js
[11:15] Abacab: before realzing the bonus of event driven JS - I was living in a small world with Eric and Guy from Fortress dev. :)
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[11:18] Abacab: I get an email a week from Guy -ZERO from Douglas- and in his old age- I'd consider things complete if I was part of Whitfields life ! lol -I think at a global political level - Whitfield Diffie is underread- underrated- and I'm sure the US NSA wished he never came about.
[11:18] Abacab: On that - I am with AAA_awright (TABBED) - 
[11:19] Abacab: checking out.   thanks everyone for spelling out what node.js - isn't - how it's used etc.
[11:19] Abacab: just a lost old timer !
[11:19] Abacab: wish you the best in your careers - no doubt - most of you are pretty damned talented.
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[11:24] Fabryz: heya, where do I find all the format parameters of express.logger?
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[11:37] Fabryz: found http://senchalabs.github.com/connect/middleware-logger.html
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[11:57] depywork: Node.js seems to grow really quick.. there's almost one new library a day.. :)
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[11:59] TheJH: ugh... just thought, "if the JS in the node binary was minified, node would maybe startup faster..." WRONG. maybe because of automatic semicolon insertion or so. 46ms -> 53ms (1000 times average) :(
[11:59] SubStack: depywork: there are about 10 new libraries each day
[11:59] SubStack: and about 100 updates to existing libraries
[11:59] TheJH: hehe
[12:00] astropirate: I write javascript for a living :S never thought that would happen :p
[12:00] TheJH: do you guys think it would be possible to include precompiled JS or so in the node binary?
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[12:01] TheJH: if writing the code in a different way (uglify) increases startup time by 15% (!), precompiled JS should reduce it dramatically
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[12:03] astropirate: TheJH, Node uses V8. V8 uses a Just In Time compiler. my knowlage in this area is limited. But it examines the code and compiles the code the most efficient way depending on how its being used
[12:03] astropirate: so I don't think precompiled code would work the way it works with PHP
[12:04] TheJH: Astro, I think that v8 will first compile the code and then apply optimizations later (but I could well be wrong, I don't know how it actually works)
[12:05] astropirate: TheJH, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWhMKalEicY  
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[12:07] framlin: TheJH: as far as I know is crankshaft an optimizing compiler
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[12:12] Fabryz: to remove a module I already have under node_modules, can I "rm -rF blabla" or there's some sort of npm uninstall?
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[12:13] depywork: Is v8 + node.js faster than apache + php?
[12:13] Astro: of course it is :-)
[12:13] TheJH: Fabryz, just rm -rf it
[12:13] depywork: I know it has better troughput, how about execution?
[12:14] TheJH: depywork, php recompiles your code on every page access, I think
[12:14] Astro: it executes well :-)
[12:14] Fabryz: depywork http://www.slideshare.net/marcgear/server-side-scripting-smack-down-nodejs-vs-php
[12:15] Fabryz: npm uninstall worked fine
[12:15] misterm: TheJH: I don't think it's quite that bad, though I think it depends on what you're using
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[12:16] misterm: TheJH: I'm pretty sure PHP has bytecode caching, though I don't know if it's pn by default or what
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[12:17] TheJH: misterm, akaik, facebook wrote a bytecode cacher, but it's not included in a standard php installation
[12:17] dfsfdf: you can get opcode caching with php with an extension 
[12:17] dfsfdf: e.g. eaccelerator going for years
[12:17] misterm: TheJH: hm maybe, I don't really use PHP much
[12:17] TheJH: misterm, me neither
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[12:18] chjj: oh, v8 implemented typeof null === 'null' with a harmony flag
[12:19] chjj: cool
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[12:19] misterm: fun
[12:19] rio{: whats a harmony flag? =) sounds fun
[12:20] tbranyen: did they fix typeof /d/ === 'function' yet
[12:20] chjj: im not sure, the v8 commit is kind of vague
[12:20] rio{: sounds like something used in a gay parade
[12:20] tbranyen: its a build flag for v8
[12:20] chjj: tbranyen: regexes *are* functions! :)
[12:20] misterm: I think it's a compile flag
[12:20] tuhoojabotti: .. typeof /d/
[12:20] catb0t: 'function'
[12:20] tuhoojabotti: :u
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[12:20] tbranyen: chjj: not according to spec and every other implementation
[12:20] tuhoojabotti: interesting.
[12:20] tbranyen: it was a mistake in v8
[12:20] chjj: im wondering though, if harmony is going to be breaking backward compatibility like that, what the hell are they going to do
[12:20] tbranyen: and javascriptcore which has since been fixed
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[12:21] chjj: so many scripts rely on typeof null === 'object'
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[12:21] tbranyen: do they?
[12:21] chjj: tbranyen: i know, but technically they are functions, theyre callable objects
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[12:22] tbranyen: chjj: not in every implementation
[12:22] tbranyen: afaik its just v8 now
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[12:22] tbranyen: i think that too was a misunderstanding of the spec
[12:22] chjj: no, im pretty sure theyre callable, ive called regexes in IE before i think
[12:23] misterm: chjj: I believe they plan to make harmony opt-in, I'm not sure if it's set how yet
[12:23] tbranyen: callable in presto and v8, not in spidermonkey from my testing
[12:23] chjj: yeah, i figured
[12:23] misterm: chjj: I think maybe a script attribute, or maybe something similar to strict mode
[12:23] chjj: if theyre going to break backward compat like that
[12:23] chjj: they have to
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[12:23] TheJH: argh, I'm stupid. misread the output of my performance test. uglified JS is faster, not slower.
[12:24] chjj: script attribute would be terrible
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[12:24] misterm: chjj: my guess is that would be optional, I don't think they'd rely just on that
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[12:25] misterm: if they do it at all I mean, I know it's something that was discussed, but honestly I haven't followed that aspect much
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[12:26] chjj: i dont think theres any way it will be a script attribute, html doesnt have to be JS' host language
[12:26] chjj: if thats the case something went wrong there
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[12:28] chjj: hm, apparently weakmaps were slightly broken
[12:28] chjj: damn, i wanted to try writing something with them, because i can
[12:28] misterm: chjj: well like I said, I think if they did do it it would be one option for setting harmony compat, I'm pretty sure the idea was floated, I don't recall how seriously it was taken, I haven't been following harmony too closely
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[12:29] chjj: well it would also mean they would have to bring the proposal before the whatwg
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[12:29] chjj: they cant just add an attribute because they said so
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[12:30] chjj: then wed have 3 standards organizations fighting over control of html, which would be interesting
[12:30] misterm: the browser vendors set the whole script type="jscript" etc deal didn't they?
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[12:30] misterm: the haven't always been great about following the standards, but yea I'd agree it's not ideal
[12:30] misterm: I'd much prefer "use harmony";
[12:31] chjj: oh, you mean a content type attr? yeah that would make more sense
[12:31] chjj: type="application/ecmascript-harmony"
[12:31] misterm: chjj: yea either mime type or perhaps a new script type etc
[12:32] DennisRas: I've been using node and npm for a LONG time and that basically meant I had old versions. Now I want to update them and that failed badly so I decided to reinstall. Got node installed now but npm just wont install. getting errors every single time :/ any help here with npm or should I look elsewhere? (yes I did google for about 5 hours now)
[12:32] chjj: well, if theyre doing that, i want them to get it right, i want them to go all the way and break backward compat like crazy
[12:32] TheJH: DennisRas, gist your errors, please
[12:32] DennisRas: gist a pastey?
[12:32] chjj: if its going to be that big of a change
[12:32] TheJH: !@DennisRas mem gist
[12:32] jhbot: DennisRas, Gist is kind of a pastebin. Every paste is a git repo. https://gist.github.com/
[12:33] chjj: typeof null was a good change though
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[12:33] misterm: chjj: I like a lot of the ideas for harmony
[12:33] CIA-65: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r358d89a 10/ Makefile : 
[12:33] CIA-65: libuv: build: fix build on systems where `ld --as-needed` is the default
[12:33] CIA-65: libuv: Fixes unresolved symbol linker errors from -lm and -lrt. - http://bit.ly/nQcL6c
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[12:35] chjj: though, i guess typeof null is actually pretty close to not breaking backward compatibility
[12:35] chjj: but guaranteed it will for some things somewhere
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[12:36] misterm: You can bet for every little nook and cranny in JS somebody out there has a bit of code depending on it
[12:36] chjj: well, in fact, i do
[12:37] chjj: i wrote a json stringifier that absolutely depends on typeof null === 'object'
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[12:37] DennisRas: TheJH: https://gist.github.com/1148970 (Error installing NPM with Cygwin)
[12:37] chjj: it was just efficient to have all possible outcomes of typeof === 'object' under one conditional
[12:38] chjj: so after that, just check if (!foo) return 'null';
[12:38] chjj: etc
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[12:38] chjj: so thats one example in my own code i can think of off the top of my head
[12:39] TheJH: DennisRas, can't help you with that, soory :(
[12:39] chjj: as long as harmony doesnt hurt my precious v8, im okay with it
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[12:39] DennisRas: TheJH: :(
[12:39] chjj: as long as it doesnt inhibit performance at all
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[12:39] misterm: oh, it probably won't
[12:39] DennisRas: TheJH: Know where I can get help?
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[12:40] misterm: in fact it might help
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[12:40] TheJH: DennisRas, look at http://github.com/isaacs/npm/issues , if your problem isn't there, file a new issue
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[12:42] bnoordhuis: chjj: talking about the latest changes in v8?
[12:43] chjj: yeah
[12:43] chjj: saw the weakmap fix, and the commit for typeof null === 'null'
[12:43] DennisRas: TheJH: Actually found a similar issue (didn't last time I checked). hopefully getting a response soon
[12:44] DennisRas: NPM just makes it easier to install modules aye? how do I install them manually?
[12:44] DennisRas: just place them in node_modules?
[12:45] chjj: bnoordhuis: did ArrayBuffers land in 0.5.4?
[12:45] bnoordhuis: chjj: typed arrays? yes
[12:45] TheJH: DennisRas, yes. but if the module has dependencies, you have to download them in node_modules/someModule/node_modules
[12:45] DennisRas: uhm
[12:46] DennisRas: any alternative to npm?
[12:46] chjj: bnoordhuis: very nice
[12:46] TheJH: DennisRas, there is a simple python-based npm replacement for people with windows issues, I think
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[12:46] bnoordhuis: DennisRas: https://github.com/japj/ryppi
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[12:52] CIA-65: node: 03Antranig Basman 07master * rc05936c 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[12:52] CIA-65: node: vm: fix incorrect dispatch of vm.runInContext for argument "filename"
[12:52] CIA-65: node: Adds test case and documentation for vm.runInContext and vm.createContext.
[12:52] CIA-65: node: Fixes #1140. - http://bit.ly/mPtJGz
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[13:00] TheJH: https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1538 "Startup time: Uglify JS included in the node binary: 10% less time needed"
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[13:01] SubStack: TheJH: wow that is some crazy stuff
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[13:01] TheJH: SubStack, makes me wonder how fast it would be with precompiled code...
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[13:02] TheJH: SubStack, but please measure for yourself, as always with benchmarks
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[13:02] SubStack: nah I can't be bothered
[13:03] TheJH: :D
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[13:03] misterm: gah, why are there no websites which can display slides in a decent way
[13:04] chjj: TheJH: thats very interesting
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[13:06] tuhoojabotti: TheJH: What about closure compiler? :u
[13:06] TheJH: tuhoojabotti, is it better?
[13:06] tuhoojabotti: Dunno.
[13:07] tuhoojabotti: That's what I'm asking. :P
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[13:07] bnoordhuis: last time i checked uglifyjs did a better job
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[13:07] bnoordhuis: probably depends on the input
[13:07] tuhoojabotti: Surprisingly.
[13:07] TheJH: tuhoojabotti, I know that uglifyjs isn't veery good because I was able to make it generate smaller code (switch statements, ...)
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[13:07] TheJH: there are 2 or 3 open pull requests from me
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[13:08] Sembiance: 
ACTION will stick with YUICompressor for the time being.

[13:10] SubStack: I've been releasing a package every 4.5 days for the past 208 days
[13:10] SubStack: wooo node
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[13:11] SubStack: .. (new Date('August 16, 2011') - new Date('January 20, 2011')) / 1000 / 60 / 60 / 24 / (62 - 16)
[13:11] catb0t: 4.520833333333334
[13:12] chjj: haha
[13:12] Sembiance: SubStack: I've seen your github, it's an insane number of modules ;)
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[13:12] chjj: damn catb0t, wheres the real bot
[13:12] catb0t: wheres the intro damn
[13:12] chjj: v8: ''
[13:12] chjj: :(
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[13:16] misterm: Does Uglify do inlining?
[13:16] TheJH: misterm, I don't think so
[13:17] misterm: ah, that's one of the things I like about closure compiler
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[13:22] ralphholzmann: heyo, anyone know how to set the max number of connection sockets that node can use?
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[13:23] ralphholzmann: or rather, my ubuntu server at large
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[13:23] ralphholzmann: I reach a certain number of connections and my servers slows to a halt, then aborts the process
[13:24] Sembiance: ulimit -a
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[13:24] Sembiance: You'll be limited by the number of available open files I believe, since each connection is a socket is a file, I think.
[13:25] Sembiance: So: ulimit -n
[13:25] misterm: ralphholzmann: out of curiousity, how many connections are you getting?
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[13:26] ralphholzmann: misterm: like 20k
[13:27] misterm: ralphholzmann: what's the server specs like, how many node instances? not to be nosey, just curious
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[13:28] ralphholzmann: misterm: Im not using as many servers as I should be, thats for sure
[13:28] ralphholzmann: its a linode 512
[13:28] ralphholzmann: http://www.linode.com/index.cfm
[13:28] TheJH: can I stash a change, checkout another version, and unstash it? cause I can't get it to work
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[13:31] CodeProstitute: 
ACTION is building a site for Madonna's birthday in node.js. :>

[13:31] Davo84: 
ACTION likes madonna

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[13:32] sansn0m: 
ACTION sleeps with Madonna records.

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[13:32] Fabryz: ralphholzmann is it easy to setup your nodejs app on linode?
[13:33] ralphholzmann: Fabryz: um, yeah
[13:33] ralphholzmann: I mean, easy as
[13:33] ralphholzmann: git clone
[13:33] Fabryz: good
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[13:35] Fabryz: meh nothing less than linode 512
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[13:35] lesterc1: hello world!
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[13:42] zilch: What are the best practices with respect to git based deployment ... when developing on node ? Is anybody using such sorta platform ?
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[14:10] TheJH: can someone have a look at my pull request https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/1540 "Improve startup time for "process.stdin;process.stdout" by 0.7%"? It makes two tests fail and I can't see how.
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[14:13] industrial: it feels like I'm the only one that uses Mongoose areound here
[14:13] Sembiance: heh
[14:13] Sembiance: funny you mention that
[14:13] industrial: and I keep bumping into nondescriptive error messages
[14:14] industrial: TypeError: Cannot read property 'constructor' of undefined
[14:14] industrial: my whole schema is defined, and what is undefined there is a mongoose innard thing.
[14:14] Sembiance: So I've used node.js and redis in the past. It powers worldofsolitaire.com  Love redis.
[14:14] Sembiance: But a project I'm starting, I chose to try out mongodb+node.js
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[14:15] industrial: I have a 60+ object model so I chose an ORM
[14:15] industrial: I have no idea why I'm even using a key/value store
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[14:15] Sembiance: I first discovered mongoose but upon learning that it forces you to make a schema, I was disgusted that I needed a schema to use a schemaless database. I eventually realized the mongoose is NOT a mongodb client, but a whole ORM layer. Since I just wanted a mongodb client, I started using node-mongolian, and I've recently ditched that for the pure native mongodb module
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[14:16] Sembiance: The IRONIC thing, is that I ended up using json-schema and the node module 'jsv' to validate my json documents before I put them into mongodb rofl
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[14:16] Sembiance: so in the end I used schemas anyways rofl
[14:16] industrial: wherever you have an API, you could use a schema to validate the data
[14:17] tbranyen: i don't understand using a schema in a schema-less environment
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[14:17] industrial: tbranyen: would you rather check arguments in API URI handlers separately?
[14:18] industrial: you can just push them through a schema sieve and if its correct do something with the data, if not report so, done
[14:18] industrial: the problem is that there's no mature ORM yet
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[14:18] nibblebot: there's no ORM
[14:18] nibblebot: mongo is not a relational database
[14:19] industrial: if i have an Object ID stored from another document in the current
[14:19] industrial: thats damn relational to me
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[14:19] industrial: i just have to fetch myself
[14:19] nibblebot: but abstracting that as a subdocument does not have the same effect as it does in relational DBs
[14:19] nibblebot: yeah
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[14:20] nibblebot: you have to run more queries so you would limit your use of that pattern
[14:20] industrial: so the fetching could be automated, tadah ORM
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[14:21] industrial: I do limit myself but some data you just cant group together
[14:21] nibblebot: so to join docs of type A to type B you'd have to run 101 queries no?
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[14:22] GottZ: 
ACTION wantz remoteAddress in the windows binary

[14:22] nibblebot: or 2 and do the joining application side, which could be expensive in node?
[14:22] nibblebot: sorry
[14:22] nibblebot: 100 docs of type A to type B*
[14:22] industrial: well, I do the joining only WHEN its needed, emphasis on when
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[14:22] industrial: since the client is also async
[14:23] industrial: also, if you fetch all data to the client you can join there even
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[14:23] nibblebot: so where does the ORM come in?
[14:23] Sembiance: industrial: what sort of data are you storing in these '60+' objects you mention? an example?
[14:23] industrial: cant
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[14:25] industrial: but given the choice again I'd not have gone for a key/value store
[14:26] bradleymeck: even if the key/value store supported batch queries?
[14:26] Sembiance: industrial: well, key/value might not have been a fit for the type of data you wanted to store. or more likely, the data model wasn't modified to fit a key/value store :)
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[14:27] yellowbean: Hi is someone there that has experience with node + visual studio? I have a question regarding extensions 
[14:27] Sembiance: industrial: so, given the choice again... you'd go with?
[14:27] industrial: SQL
[14:28] Sembiance: industrial: maybe your data would fit well in a graph database, like neo4k. It's tough to know without knowing the data :)
[14:28] industrial: hmm
[14:28] Sembiance: err neo4j
[14:29] Sembiance: Like 'for example' if I had to model rooms of a role playing game, and each room was connected to other rooms, and each room had a bunch of objects that may be in the room, or players that may be in the room, a graph database is a perfect fit for that data
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[14:29] bradleymeck: lies, there is but one true query language and MSSQL is its Database
[14:29] Sembiance: trying to shove that into mongodb or even redis would be more painful
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[14:30] Sembiance: although redis would be blazingly fast ;)
[14:30] Sembiance: just make sure it fits in RAM hehe
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[14:30] bradleymeck: and that you can stand losing recent stuff if it has to restart
[14:31] Sembiance: well, that too :)
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[14:32] Sembiance: my redis server has been up for 104 days now and has processed 5,670,178,172 commands
[14:33] EyePulp: impressive
[14:33] EyePulp: what's its memory footprint?
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[14:34] Sembiance: EyePulp: currently using 9.9GB of RAM
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[14:37] baudehlo: Sembiance: what happens if you get a power cut?
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[14:39] explodes: http://pastie.org/2380710 My vows test is saying callback was never fired, but I'm returning a topic, not using a callback... What do I do :/
[14:40] Sembiance: baudehlo: you lose whatever data was in there since the last time it flushed to disk
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[14:40] baudehlo: I assume none of that is vital then?
[14:40] Sembiance: baudehlo: for http://worldofsolitaire.com this is no big deal.  I wouldn't use redis for a banking database ;)
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[14:40] baudehlo: no, fair enough. How often does it flush to disk?
[14:42] Sembiance: baudehlo: you can configure that. You specific how many minutes must pass and how many operations must have taken place.  So you could save every minute if at least 1,000 transactions took place. You can specificy multiple criteria, so you could also say save every 15 minutes if at least 1 transaction took place, etc.
[14:42] Sembiance: baudehlo: I'm currently saving every 15 minutes.
[14:42] baudehlo: and can you force a write?
[14:42] Sembiance: baudehlo: yup
[14:42] baudehlo: presumably some sort of safe shutdown also writes to disk?
[14:42] Sembiance: baudehlo: writes are background processes, they don't block the server, so they are pretty painless to do
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[14:43] Sembiance: baudehlo: yup, 'SHUTDOWN' will flush to disk then close the server
[14:43] baudehlo: cool.
[14:43] baudehlo: sorry for all the Q's. I'm curious about redis but a bit scared to think about using an in-memory database for anything I wouldn't want to lose.
[14:44] Sembiance: yah, if it's important that no data be lost, then don't store it in redis. but I think for many websites, there is a lot of data that isn't critical.
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[14:44] tktiddle: Hi Im just getting started with node, im just trying to get an app i found on github running, Im getting this error: http://fpaste.org/qRT9/ I tried "npm install path" but it didn't fix the problem , can anyone recommend anything else I can try?
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[14:45] TheJH: tktiddle, that app uses an outdated API
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[14:45] Sembiance: tktiddle: sounds like the app you found was made for an earlier version of node.
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[14:47] explodes: http://pastie.org/2380710 My vows test is saying callback was never fired, but I'm returning a topic, not using a callback... I must be missing something. My topic IS returning a value which means it shouldn't be relying on this.callback. 
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[14:48] tktiddle: hhm, so require.('path') is no longer used,  whats the work arround then?
[14:49] tktiddle: i think this is the offending  line require.paths.unshift(__dirname + '/node-osc/lib');
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[14:50] tktiddle: i just move node-osc/lib to node_modules/node-osc? and then replace the line with require.('node-osc')  ?
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[14:52] tktiddle: heres the offending code:
[14:52] tktiddle: https://github.com/automata/osc-web/blob/master/osc-web-server.js
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[14:54] TheJH: tktiddle, change `var osc = require('osc');` to `var osc = require('./lib/osc');`, remove the unshift line and npm install jspack in the main directory of ocs-web
[14:55] chjj: uhoh
[14:55] chjj: https://github.com/v8/v8/commit/a5a36f4a916c466d23a88db64c12eb7d7fb853e9
[14:56] Sembiance: hrm.
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[15:01] CIA-65: node: 03koichik 07master * r8293bb8 10/ (26 files in 3 dirs): 
[15:01] CIA-65: node: test: refactored http test.
[15:01] CIA-65: node: Many http tests had used legacy http.Client.
[15:01] CIA-65: node: This refactored it to use modern API.
[15:01] CIA-65: node: Fixes #1528. - http://bit.ly/nLhELf
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[15:04] GrooveJuiced: Why node.js sucks: node is not defined
[15:04] bradleymeck: C# doesnt define C# therefore C# is Node
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[15:04] bradleymeck: GrooveJuiced, why do you want that defined? and what would it do?
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[15:05] Sembiance: GrooveJuiced: are you reverse-trolling? :)
[15:06] explodes: Can someone please help me debug this vows suite? Something isn't happening right and I don't know why.
[15:06] GrooveJuiced: I want node.exit() :(
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[15:06] bradleymeck: process.exit
[15:06] bradleymeck: read the docs
[15:06] GrooveJuiced: Ah, okay ;p
[15:06] GrooveJuiced: Thanks bradleymeck and Sembiance 
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[15:09] yellowbean: Is there a way of building C++ node extentions with visual studio?
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[15:09] GrooveJuiced: Does anyone know what Lars Bak's position is on node.js?
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[15:09] GottZ: the windows client crashs when flooding http connections to the socket.io chat example :/
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[15:10] GottZ: *server
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[15:10] GottZ: actully nose.exe
[15:10] jonaslund: GrooveJuiced: i know some people on the V8 team are here and they see it as a good way to catch bugs
[15:10] TheJH: hmm, did someone already do macros for JS?
[15:11] tktiddle: so im just wondering, this "require.paths has been removed" error is coming up alot, if I have a line like "exports.OscArgument = require('./datatypes');"  it is still legat and if not what should it be changed to?
[15:11] TheJH: tktiddle, looks legit
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[15:11] GottZ: its just that require.path doesnt work anymore
[15:11] bradleymeck: yellowbean no, windows' loader does not function the same so support for C++ addons in windows is not done (might be done in 0.6.x?)
[15:12] GottZ: the chat example of socket.io has this line: require.paths.unshift(__dirname + '/../../lib/');
[15:12] GottZ: and when i comment it out it works fine
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[15:13] bnoordhuis: yellowbean: not right now, add-on loading is not implemented on windows yet
[15:13] bnoordhuis: oh, bradleymeck beat me to it
[15:13] bradleymeck: whachow!
[15:14] jonaslund: yellowbean: It was quite recently that they started making proper project files for MSVC, but how to handle modules was not defined at that point
[15:14] yellowbean: So the only way of extending node functions on the windows side is by compiling it in to the source?
[15:14] jonaslund: bnoordhuis: has there been any discussions about native modules on windows?
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[15:14] bnoordhuis: jonaslund: yes - the conclusion was that it's difficult
[15:15] bradleymeck: yellowbean for now, but id recommend you just use a different os if possible (in a vm even)
[15:15] bnoordhuis: not impossible but something we're punting on for the time being
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[15:17] JacobSingh: Hey folks.  What tools are there for building JS files (i.e. taking a bunch of files and minifying them / slapping them into one file)
[15:17] butu5: I would like to dump some mustache template code in <script> tag in jade template
[15:17] GottZ: check out google closure compiler
[15:17] JacobSingh: I know of jake, but it seems like a whole "thing" to setup.  I remember something else similar, but can't remember the name
[15:17] GottZ: for minifiing
[15:17] butu5: any idea?
[15:17] jonaslund: bnoordhuis: not impossible with one way to do things... however making something orthogonal with *nix and then cygwin/mingw/msvc on win32... *shudder*
[15:18] tbranyen: JacobSingh: its very simple to do with cat and uglifyjs
[15:18] Sembiance: JacobSingh: I just wrote my own. It 'cat's all the files together than runs YUICompressor on them. I do remember reading about some tools to help do this for you
[15:18] tbranyen: ^^ yeah just like that
[15:18] clifton: http://venturebeat.com/2011/08/16/linkedin-node/
[15:18] tbranyen: Sembiance: its better to do one at a time
[15:18] tbranyen: to maintain copyrights
[15:18] tbranyen: if you use 3rd party shit
[15:18] yellowbean: bradleymeck: Okay that helps, normally I would use linux based OS but  we have some c++ extentions developed for windows and nodeJs looks very promissing to wrap this functions inside of some native extentions
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[15:19] jonaslund: bnoordhuis: A reason i think it would be good to get "something" out there is that people are continually writing node bindings for libs on other platforms and the longer it's postponed the bigger mess (or larger amount of complaints) is gonna be the result the day it's finally decided
[15:19] JacobSingh: tbranyen: Sembiance GottZ : Thanks all
[15:19] tbranyen: np broski
[15:19] GottZ: cygwin kinda sux. recently i refreshed my install and put node v0.4.10 on it.. well.. something went wrong with cygwin and i got a file locked out. was no longer able to delete that file though i do know how to manipulate acl tables in ntfs
[15:20] Sembiance: tbranyen: nah, I'd rather have all my javascript super tiny, copyright notices be damned. I always have an 'about' section on the site that mentions the stuff I use and their licenses and when you view-source I have a HTML comment above the minified script include that points to /index-dev.html  where you can see all the original source files included, un-minified
[15:20] GottZ: then i booted into linux, mounted my ntfs partition and deleted it.. but ya.. cygwin kinda scared me now.
[15:20] jonaslund: GottZ: ahh it was a file with a weird name?
[15:20] GottZ: na
[15:20] tbranyen: Sembiance: i guess as someone who respects other developers efforts, i would consider that incredibly selfish and misguided
[15:20] tktiddle: :) node is alright you know
[15:20] GottZ: it was just a usual file
[15:20] GottZ: on one of my windows test servers there it locked out cygwin.ico
[15:20] bradleymeck: jonaslund, on the other hand like 90% of the C++ modules would have to be ported, and dll inclusion for windows for things that arent built into the system would be painful
[15:20] tbranyen: Sembiance: those copyrights are meant to be in the source
[15:20] GottZ: wich is just the icon of cygwin stored in the root directory of cygwin
[15:20] jonaslund: GottZ: I remember having something like what you describe and googling some turned up that you needed to delete it via a "unc" path
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[15:20] tbranyen: thats why they were placed there in the first place
[15:21] GottZ: well i deleted it through linux
[15:21] Sembiance: tbranyen: They are still there when you go to the /index-dev.html page which I point people too.
[15:21] GottZ: but ya. i was not even able to claim ownership of that file
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[15:21] tbranyen: thats better than nothing, but i wouldn't encourage other people to do the same.  if you use my work, i want my damn name and copyright in the source
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[15:22] tbranyen: thats such a trifle thing to deal with and shows an immense amount of gratitude to the author
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[15:23] jonaslund: bradleymeck: hmh, what kind of dll inclusion do you mean ?
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[15:23] jonaslund: bradleymeck: granted, i can agree on that the ways things are built on win32 can be quite messy :P
[15:24] GottZ: btw am i wrong or is there a big difference between v0.5.4 and v0.5.3? i have a telnet chat (kinda was my first project) and it doesnt run anymore :/
[15:24] bradleymeck: jonaslund including things like libmysql or libsfml or libsndfile, which would be rather odd to have to run build scripts for
[15:24] Sembiance: tbranyen: even putting the copy-right notices in the obfuscated/minified versions, there is no way anyone would ever see it. One massive line, 40,000 characters long or something and somewhere hidden in there is a comment that would say /* Copyright so and so 2006 none@none.net */   I view my technique of both mentioning what I use in the UI itself AND providing the full, un-obfuscated source with complete in-tact copyright notices as plenty re
[15:25] CIA-65: node: 03koichik 07master * r4cf931d 10/ (lib/http2.js test/simple/test-http-legacy.js): (log message trimmed)
[15:25] CIA-65: node: http: improve compatibility of legacy API
[15:25] CIA-65: node: In http1, legacy http.Client shares one connection with multiple requests.
[15:25] CIA-65: node: But in http2, it uses concurrent connections.
[15:25] CIA-65: node: With --use-http1, test/simple/test-http-legacy.js passes.
[15:25] CIA-65: node: However, it fails without --use-http1 (use http2).
[15:25] CIA-65: node: This improves compatibility of legacy http.Client API between http1 and http2.
[15:25] tbranyen: Sembiance: those license notices are SUPPOSED to be in the source code
[15:25] tbranyen: they need to be distributed with the source
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[15:26] tbranyen: https://github.com/ender-js/Ender/issues/43 << was a big deal in Ender as well
[15:26] bradleymeck: jonaslund : basically what all those gui installers hide /shudders at need for a full gui
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[15:26] GottZ: code for the telnetchat i mentioned above: http://pastie.org/private/sjt7yoets2xb8qgpppfvra
[15:26] GottZ: whoop whoop
[15:26] GottZ: :D
[15:26] jonaslund: bradleymeck: ah gui installers yeah :(
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[15:28] jonaslund: bradleymeck: simplefastmultimedia ? apperantly they atleast provide plain old zips
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[15:30] cl0udy: anyone can help me with everyauth?
[15:30] cl0udy: Cannot read property 'sanitize' of undefined
[15:30] Sembiance: tbranyen: let me note that I use YUICompressor. It does not filter out the copyright comments that start with /*!  so I just looked at my production, minified JS code and all the copyright headers are in tact, so you should be quite happy with that ;)
[15:30] jonaslund: bradleymeck: i suppose those that maintain win32 builds of certain modules will handle it themselves and the rest will have to take chances with those binary modules
[15:30] tbranyen: Sembiance: i am estatic :D
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[15:30] bradleymeck: jonaslund yea, but then it has to be pathed right according to windows at time of include and other crud
[15:30] tiantian: hi there
[15:31] jonaslund: 
ACTION suddenly realizes why companies like activestate got popular with their perl dists

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[15:31] GottZ: ohai
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[15:32] TheJH: GottZ, that name is even more self-centered than mine :D
[15:32] GottZ: :D
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[15:38] GottZ: hm
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[15:38] bnoordhuis: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2891025
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[15:38] GottZ: i wonder if wmi support in node for windows could be possible as feature request
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[15:39] GottZ: cause linux has /proc/ and windows has wmi
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[15:51] metaverse: How can I call node.js scripts from another process? In python I get: OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory. "whereis node" returns nothing.
[15:51] metaverse: I'm on OSX 
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[15:53] bradleymeck: #!/user/bin/env node at the top of the script chmod +x
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[15:53] ttpva: is there a Node.js notification system ? Like the Rails Notification?
[15:53] TheJH: ttpva, what does it do?
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[15:54] ttpva: it sends notification when a controller is hit, the time it took, etc
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[15:55] TheJH: ttpva, I don't know what a "controller" is, but do you want something that logs the time that requests needed to be handled to the console?
[15:55] ttpva: hmm, maybe that would work
[15:56] duko: does anyone here have an opinion on how best to organize code the requires a lot of callbacks?
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[15:56] TheJH: ttpva, I think that connect/express has stuff for that
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[15:56] ttpva: duko: tamejs
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[15:56] tjholowaychuk: ttpva yeah connect.logger() does that
[15:56] ttpva: ok, thanks. I'll take a look
[15:56] tjholowaychuk: tons of ways you can configure it but try out the "dev" format first
[15:56] TheJH: duko, could you show us some of your code so that we can suggest stuff?
[15:57] tjholowaychuk: it has a few built in but that one has response times etc
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[15:57] duko: ttpva: that does the trick
[15:57] GottZ: amusing amusing amusing
[15:57] metaverse: bradleymeck: Thanks, I figured out how to do it in python now :)
[15:57] GottZ: i have a friend that claims a void overflow is possible
[15:58] TheJH: GottZ, what's that?
[15:58] duko: TheJH the code is pretty ugly really. its just a bunch of callbacks opendirectory(openfiles(savefiles)))
[15:58] bradleymeck: duko : 1. name your functions and dont use anonymous callbacks that dont need a closure 2. if you need a closure ask if this task is independant of what it is nested inside and put it into a generator function 3. Keep your tasks small and combine them
[15:58] duko: it doesn't look just like that but you get the idea
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[15:58] TheJH: duko, gist it :)
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[15:59] duko: bradleymeck there are so many callbacks -let me just paste some of my code somewhere
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[16:00] GottZ: i wantz coupon for no.de D:
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[16:02] duko: http://jsfiddle.net/Nevdh/
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[16:02] duko: i would not normally post something like this
[16:02] duko: and yes its incomplete
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[16:02] duko: but you get the idea
[16:04] TheJH: duko, mmhm... that little snippet doesn't look too bad to me
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[16:06] xerox: this might clean it up https://github.com/creationix/step
[16:06] duko: TheJH add some error message in there and maybe a few extra things
[16:06] duko: it gets even messier even faster
[16:06] xerox: if you feel like it
[16:07] TheJH: duko, maybe use a helper function for catching errors? and wrap your callbacks with it?
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[16:20] GottZ: do you guys know about http://phpjs.org ? i kinda like the idea since i started with php before i came into the js world.
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[16:21] tjholowaychuk: GottZ dont do it lol
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[16:22] GottZ: dont do what? use it? xD well i think some functions in it are usefull like the date function they have.
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[16:22] Deebster: and printf
[16:22] GottZ: http://phpjs.org/functions/date:380
[16:22] tjholowaychuk: dont trust js from php ppl, node has printf stuff (third-party) etc as well
[16:23] Deebster: but definitely only cherry pick some, don't re-create PHP code in JS :)
[16:23] tjholowaychuk: most of the code on that site is garbage
[16:23] GottZ: true
[16:23] GottZ: but i like the date function
[16:23] GottZ: (wich is the only i use actually)
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[16:24] GottZ: though it could be better if it would generate functions that can be used with timestamps
[16:24] GottZ: like templating
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[16:25] AvianFlu: guys: console.log() accepts some format strings, don't use phpjs for shit like that
[16:25] GottZ: i never said to do that oO
[16:26] GottZ: i like console.dir() though
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[16:40] path[l]: hi. Im maintaining a node codebase which depends on a couple of npm pacakages which are github urls. This is because Im depending on forks I have maintained. But nowadays npm install fails on these github urls. Is there a better solution?
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[16:42] AvianFlu: path[l] some people do what are called vendor dependencies
[16:42] path[l]: checking them in you mean?
[16:43] AvianFlu: you put them in a folder called 'vendor' and then you do relative requires, i.e. require(../vendor/dependency/lib/whatever.js)
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[16:43] AvianFlu: you can also publish your forks to npm if you really want to
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[16:43] AvianFlu: I did that with one that I really needed a bunch of changes to, I changed the name and published it myself
[16:43] path[l]: hmm ok
[16:44] path[l]: I wonder why the npm install is failing. I might have to go ahead and publish. In atleast one case my changes are substantial enough to where it makes sense
[16:45] AvianFlu: is it the kind of thing that could be a pull request?  or are the changes specific to your use case?
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[16:45] AvianFlu: some authors love contributions like that, others just don't have time to maintain projects they start
[16:46] AvianFlu: it's usually worth an email to the maintainer
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[16:47] path[l]: I had submitted a pull request, but there has been no response.
[16:47] path[l]: I added indexes to node-dirty
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[16:50] AvianFlu: felixge is one of the core guys and quite busy - but he's often in here, you could try to pester him
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[16:50] AvianFlu: it's really just a politeness thing, it's all open source, go fork it
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[16:51] AvianFlu: refunds available at /dev/null
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[16:51] TheJH: oh nooo, AOL guys use node! (didn't even know that AOL still exists) https://github.com/isaacs/npm/issues/1273
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[16:53] GottZ: omg
[16:53] path[l]: oh hmm I see. Its stuck where we had a discussion about implementation and pointed out mine isnt very node-like. 
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[16:54] path[l]: anyone know why commands like npm install https://github.com/pathsny/node-dirty/tarball/master are failing? Is this the wrong way to do it
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[16:58] weilies: hi there
[16:59] weilies: nice too met u all
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[16:59] weilies: mac user here, can guide how to install node-mysql?
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[17:00] gkatsev: someone needs to fix the nodejs ubuntu repo, it's still on 0.2.6...
[17:00] xerox: weilies: like any other module?
[17:01] weilies: xerox: first time install this baby, not familiar with make, install cmd ~ =.=
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[17:02] weilies: came across example of node-mysql
[17:02] weilies: http://mclear.co.uk/2011/01/26/very-simple-nodejs-mysql-select-query-example/
[17:02] xerox: have you installed npm
[17:02] weilies: how how??
[17:02] weilies: can guide? :)
[17:02] xerox: first read this http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.10/api/modules.html
[17:02] xerox: which will help you make sense of ...
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[17:03] weilies: think i hv installed
[17:03] weilies: admins-MacBook:nodejs admin$ npm
[17:03] weilies: Usage: npm <command>
[17:03] weilies: where <command> is one of:
[17:03] weilies:     adduser, author, bin, c, cache, completion, config,
[17:03] weilies:     deprecate, docs, edit, explore, faq, find, get, help,
[17:03] weilies:     help-search, home, i, info, init, install, la, link, list,
[17:03] weilies:     ll, ln, ls, outdated, owner, pack, prefix, prune, publish,
[17:03] weilies:     r, rb, rebuild, remove, restart, rm, root, run-script, s,
[17:03] weilies:     se, search, set, start, stop, submodule, tag, test, un,
[17:03] weilies:     uninstall, unlink, unpublish, up, update, version, view,
[17:03] weilies:     whoami
[17:03] weilies: npm <cmd> -h     quick help on <cmd>
[17:03] weilies: npm faq          commonly asked questions
[17:03] weilies: npm help <term>  search for help on <term>
[17:03] weilies: npm help npm     involved overview
[17:03] weilies: Specify configs in the ini-formatted file at /Users/admin/.npmrc
[17:03] weilies: or on the command line via: npm <command> --key value
[17:03] weilies: Config info can be viewed via: npm help config
[17:03] xerox: https://github.com/isaacs/npm#readme
[17:03] EyePulp: yay for text dumps.
[17:03] xerox: thanks for the huge paste irc really appreciate does
[17:03] xerox: *those
[17:03] Guest8043: Yeah don't paste here please
[17:04] weilies: ........ SORRY
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[17:04] weilies: very sorry
[17:04] xerox: np
[17:04] weilies: :(
[17:04] xerox: so once you know what a module is (that page is very short and to the point)
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[17:04] weilies: i mean, from my cmd, it sseems my mac recognized the cmd npm
[17:04] xerox: do npm help install
[17:05] weilies: all i need is to install node-mysql, so i can proceed with db example :)
[17:05] weilies: it should be curl node-mysql, but i cant google the page anymore~
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[17:06] xerox: why are you ignoring me
[17:06] xerox: I am not saying read those two things because I hate you or something
[17:07] walkingeyerobot: you want him to READ?! Are you some kind of MONSTER?!
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[17:07] xerox: 
ACTION rawrs

[17:08] weilies: ?? =.=
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[17:09] EyePulp: kanye?  =.=
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[17:10] TheJH: WTF is THIS? https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/src/node.js#L95
[17:10] TheJH: do they think I want to do "node http://host/script.js"?
[17:10] metaverse: Can a deferred itself choose to return a deferred and thus defer the callback?
[17:10] tjholowaychuk: TheJH I think we used to have even more support for that sort of thing
[17:10] TheJH: just... crazy...
[17:10] tjholowaychuk: require('http://...
[17:11] tjholowaychuk: haha
[17:11] tjholowaychuk: back in the day
[17:11] metaverse: oops wrong chat :P
[17:11] TheJH: tjholowaychuk, you're not joking?
[17:11] tjholowaychuk: nope
[17:11] TheJH: 
ACTION is scared

[17:11] tjholowaychuk: 
ACTION boo

[17:11] ttpva: is there good code examples using connect.logger() ?
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[17:12] tjholowaychuk: ttpva https://github.com/senchalabs/connect/blob/master/examples/logger.format.js#L26
[17:12] tjholowaychuk: there are a few examples in that dir
[17:14] ttpva: thanks tjholowaychuk 
[17:14] TheJH: https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/1542 :/
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[17:17] TooTallNate: :( github is down
[17:17] TheJH: TooTallNate, not for me
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[17:17] TooTallNate: oh just came back
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[17:19] dpritchett: that's topical
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[17:19] TheJH: ryah, how about putting something like "please gist your code when you have questions" or so in the topic?
[17:20] GrooveJuiced: Is it dangerous to send too much data at once through response.write()?
[17:20] weilies: gurus... i already tried my best to install node-mysql but i stuck coz i really not a unix guy
[17:20] weilies: http://freetexthost.com/zgptmstfoh
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[17:21] weilies: need some pointer
[17:21] skampler: so there's a new language called edon coming up, where the stack is wrapped backwards in and you start in the outer most callback
[17:21] ryah: TheJH: that's so boring
[17:21] TheJH: ryah, :D
[17:22] ctide: skampler: callforward, you mean
[17:22] dpritchett: TheJH is trying to turn this into #python
[17:22] dpritchett: don't give in
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[17:23] GottZ: nom
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[17:23] TheJH: I actually know neither how to write python code nor #python
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[17:23] TheJH: dpritchett, what's special about #python ?
[17:23] dpritchett: join it, see the topics etc
[17:23] GrooveJuiced: ryah: Can response.write handle 128MB of XML?
[17:23] dpritchett: they auto-redirect you to #python-unregistered if you're not authed with nickserv
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[17:23] ryah: GrooveJuiced: why not?
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[17:23] dpritchett: and they have their own pastebin they link to in the title etc etc
[17:24] GottZ: would be fun if node could be compiled with node instead of python
[17:24] GottZ: xD
[17:24] GottZ: jk
[17:24] dpritchett: meanwhile #ruby is just "MINSWAN( matz is nice and so we are nice)" which is fine neough
[17:24] TheJH: that topic is huge
[17:24] ryah: GrooveJuiced: covering large strings into buffers is somewhat slow
[17:24] dpritchett: NO LOL NO PROJECT EULER
[17:24] ryah: converting
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[17:26] teadict: omg is ryah the dude from the videos
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[17:27] teadict: ryah: I'm sure you're sick of listenning to this, but congratulations man
[17:27] GottZ: na. not only the dude from the vids, also the founder of nodejs
[17:27] jetienne: what is node ko ?
[17:27] teadict: GottZ: what is nodejs?
[17:27] jetienne: when
[17:27] GottZ: D:
[17:27] GottZ: well i mean.. the.. creator
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[17:30] xat-: hi Tobsn 
[17:30] Tobsn: hey
[17:30] Tobsn: ;)
[17:30] xat-: :D
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[17:42] kevwil: how do I pass an error from a connect middleware to the main app?
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[17:43] creationix: kevwil: next(err) ?
[17:43] kevwil: I currently have: return next(new Error('blah'));
[17:43] kevwil: creationix: should I not have the 'return' in there?
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[17:44] creationix: you probably want the return, but that's just for local control-flow
[17:44] tjholowaychuk: kevwil when you see if (err) return next(err); etc in node stuff it's just to exit the function
[17:44] tjholowaychuk: nothing fancy
[17:44] tjholowaychuk: the retval doesn't matter
[17:45] kevwil: tjholowaychuk: ok ... but I want the retval, I want to pass a message back to the main app
[17:46] tjholowaychuk: "a message"? the error?
[17:46] kevwil: yes
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[17:48] tjholowaychuk: kevwil that wont work well with node apps
[17:48] tjholowaychuk: you want to pass it along
[17:49] tjholowaychuk: and handle it in a unified manner but since everything is async
[17:49] tjholowaychuk: you cant really return it to the app like you want
[17:49] kevwil: tjholowaychuk: nothing I try to do works well with node apps :~P
[17:49] tjholowaychuk: haha
[17:49] tjholowaychuk: it's just different, just need to get used to it
[17:49] creationix: kevwil: the return value of next is always "undefined'
[17:49] tjholowaychuk: in many ways it's nicer because you HAVE to consider error handling
[17:49] creationix: I used to write it "next(err);return;" just to be explicit
[17:50] TheJH: ryah, are you still here?
[17:50] kevwil: I've been struggling for six days to add some auth[n,z] code to a file upload app, always going home with a headache and broken code :(
[17:50] ryah: TheJH: yes
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[17:51] TheJH: ryah, did you see my version of long stacktraces some time ago on the mailinglist?
[17:51] kevwil: node makes me feel very old
[17:51] ryah: TheJH: no
[17:51] ryah: kevwil: how old are you?
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[17:52] kevwil: ryah: 41
[17:53] TheJH: ryah, my mail: http://groups.google.com/group/nodejs/browse_thread/thread/81aad71844e1f112/5f3868043aa83e7a
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[17:53] ryah: kevwil: true - that's pretty old ;)
[17:53] TheJH: ryah, the basic idea is to use stack, closure and this as the three parts that form a trace
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[17:54] TheJH: ryah, my implementation has a somewhat big memory consumption and is slow as hell, so not usable, but what do you think about the general idea of "3D-traces"?
[17:54] teadict: kevwil: which where the amazing technologies in your time?
[17:55] teadict: s/where/were/
[17:55] TheJH: s/not usable/not usable for procuction/
[17:55] kevwil: teadict: lol - my time isn't over yet
[17:55] teadict: that's the spirit
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[17:56] ryah: TheJH: i like the indented stack straces!
[17:56] ryah: TheJH: great idea!
[17:56] GrooveJuiced: Why can't taster() be referenced from inside jellymaker()? https://gist.github.com/1149715
[17:56] TheJH: ryah, :)
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[17:56] GrooveJuiced: How can I force it to keep taster() in scope?
[17:57] ryah: TheJH: this is very cool - i don't agree with the implementation though
[17:57] ryah: but the idea is nice
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[17:57] TheJH: ryah, yes, the implementation is just ugly :D
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[17:57] TheJH: and sloooow
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[17:59] GrooveJuiced: https://gist.github.com/1149715 -- If I make an assignment reference inside eval(), maybe that will work? /me tries
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[18:03] GrooveJuiced: Is eval() slow even in v8?
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[18:04] EyePulp: GrooveJuiced: slow compared to what?
[18:04] TheJH: GrooveJuiced, what do you want it for?
[18:04] teadict: it should be called evil()
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[18:05] teadict: did someone make that joke before? or am I the first one?
[18:05] TheJH: GrooveJuiced, you really shouldn't have to do eval() in server-side code
[18:05] TheJH: teadict, are you joking? It's super-old
[18:05] wink_: teadict: even if you made it years ago, i doubt you'd be the first ;>
[18:05] GrooveJuiced: :\
[18:05] nail_: GrooveJuiced: if jellymaker is defined inside jellybeanmaker it will be able to call taster, not if it isn't, eval won't change that
[18:05] teadict: aw
[18:06] bradleymeck: GrooveJuiced, it is slow in everything, and always will be (has to tokenize and parse and analyze and code gen and run), compared to say... a normal function which only does the last (which is generally fairly cheap by comparison)
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[18:15] GrooveJuiced: bradleymeck: I get the parsing thing, but what if eval() is just making a call to a function "hard-coded" elsewhere in the script? i.e., I have a function sortlist() and from somewhere in the script I do eval('sortlist();');
[18:16] bradleymeck: it must still parse the call and do all that
[18:16] softdrink: anyone using stitch?
[18:16] Sembiance: isn't eval evil?
[18:16] tbranyen: eval owns
[18:16] Sembiance: pretty sure I read that about a billion places :)
[18:16] bradleymeck: there is no possible way to avoid those steps GrooveJuiced. If you are dynamically evaluating code its dynamic and is not subject to cacheability
[18:17] tbranyen: its evil when you use it where its not necessary
[18:17] bradleymeck: there are 2 uses for eval only 2
[18:17] jetienne: http://nodejs.org/logos/
[18:17] GrooveJuiced: bradleymeck: I see what you're saying. Is there another way to call a function I don't know the name of until run-time?
[18:18] bradleymeck: groovejuiced put it on an object, faster, safer
[18:19] tbranyen: woot just changed my wallpaper to the node logo
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[18:20] GrooveJuiced: In Python, there's .getattr() to get a reference to a function on an object. What's the JS equivalent?
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[18:20] mscdex: functions are references in js
[18:22] GrooveJuiced: If I have a string that's the name of the function, how do I call the function? myobject['myfunction']() ?
[18:22] mscdex: just like that
[18:22] GrooveJuiced: Awesome, thanks :D
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[18:25] GrooveJuiced: Yay, eval() is purged from our codebase! :D
[18:25] mscdex: heh
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[18:28] TheJH: what's the state of GUI stuff in node? same as when creationix talked about it in may at jsconf?
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[18:29] bradleymeck: thejh drop a pretty penny and you can get a gui module funded easy
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[18:29] bradleymeck: but yea, the same pretty much
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[18:31] AvianFlu: that will be one fun thing about windows support, that stuff is all in the win32api for you so long as node can see that stuff
[18:31] AvianFlu: once you learn to pretend you're doing something else, the win32api isn't so bad XD
[18:32] Sembiance: I find it odd that I need python to install node.js :)
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[18:33] Sembiance: not only that I need python, but python 2.x because waf doesn't work with 3.x heh
[18:33] isaacs: Sembiance: yeah, python is actually required to build v8 as well
[18:33] isaacs: but we should get away from waf
[18:33] tbranyen: waf is baaad
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[18:33] Sembiance: isaacs: yah, I can't install on gentoo right now because my default system python is 3.1 and waf just dies with it
[18:33] Sembiance: isaacs: I'm working around the problem :)
[18:34] tbranyen: need to write the node build system in node
[18:34] TheJH: what would you guys think about an IRC client written in node that uses chromium for its UI? would you use it?
[18:34] tbranyen: irssi/tmux/ssh 4 lyfe
[18:34] TheJH: :D
[18:35] bradleymeck: avianflu once you find good docs on how to do things with the largely arcane knowledge win32api you mean?
[18:35] AvianFlu: lol yep!
[18:35] TheJH: mhm, I'm gone for half an hour or so
[18:36] AvianFlu: bradleymeck: I got this great book a while back, "Python for hackers and reverse engineers."  Tons of win32api stuff in there :)
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[18:37] DennisRas: Anyone using mysql or db-mysql ?
[18:37] bradleymeck: it cant be worse than msdn
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[18:41] Fullmoon: Is there any way to disable the HTTP agent that keeps connections open?
[18:41] Fullmoon: Or explicitly close them?
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[18:41] bnoordhuis: Fullmoon: pass in agent:false or agent:youragent
[18:42] bnoordhuis: Fullmoon: you're talking about doing http client requests, are you?
[18:42] Fullmoon: Yes
[18:43] Fullmoon: Thanks, that seemed to did the right thing
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[18:44] GrooveJuiced: Is try / catch something to avoid for performance?
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[18:44] bradleymeck: groovejuiced only if you really need max performance
[18:45] bradleymeck: but callback with error first is generally preferred node style anyway
[18:45] bradleymeck: or emitting 'error' events
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[18:53] slsh: can someone explain me this? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=GQs8KXq6
[18:53] slsh: iso-8859-1 charset
[18:54] slsh: I know that it's supposed to be utf-8, but shouldn't it at least recognize the characters are different
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[18:55] bnoordhuis: slsh: 65533 == 0xfffd
[18:55] TheJH: GrooveJuiced, I think that either try-catch-finally or throw is totally bad performance-wise - I did something some time ago that automatically inserted them along with some method calls into every function, even in node core, and it was so slow... tab completion in the REPL was at modem speed or so
[18:55] bnoordhuis: slsh: iow, the 'illegal char' sequence
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[18:56] slsh: bnoordhuis: ok, thanks... was suspecting something like that, but I haven't seen any illegal char sequences with other languages, usually it will just convert to something else
[18:57] slsh: it doesn't do that with regular js
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[18:57] bnoordhuis: slsh: not sure what chrome does, but...
[18:57] bnoordhuis: .. String.fromCharCode(0xfffd)
[18:57] catb0t: '�'
[18:57] TheJH: .. String.fromCharCode(0xfffd)[0]
[18:57] catb0t: '�'
[18:57] TheJH: .. +String.fromCharCode(0xfffd)[0]
[18:57] catb0t: NaN
[18:57] TheJH: :(
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[18:59] slsh: the issue I have is that I'm using irc-js, and some people type in using iso-8859-1, some using utf-8. and I'm not sure if there's a way for me to convert these 3 miserable characters :)
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[19:01] TheJH: slsh, there's iconv stuff for node, you could try falling back to some iconv stuff in case the utf8 contains invalid characters
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[19:01] yoga: good idea
[19:02] slsh: yes... couldn't get that to compile so thought there could be some shortcut if all I want is these three
[19:02] bnoordhuis: slsh: node-iconv didn't compile? what platform?
[19:02] TheJH: slsh, btw, I'm also using irc-js :)
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[19:03] slsh: bnoordhuis: windows, cygwin. we were trying to troubleshoot in the channel the other day
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[19:03] yoga: I bought a mac just to get away from cygwin
[19:03] bnoordhuis: slsh: right you are
[19:04] slsh: bnoordhuis: updating gcc didn't help unfortunately
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[19:06] bnoordhuis: slsh: linux in a vm?
[19:06] bnoordhuis: people have been able to compile node-iconv on cygwin btw, myself included
[19:07] slsh: yeah.. don't know what's wrong with my setup
[19:07] DennisRasmussen: Anyone using mysql or db-mysql ? (sorry asking again since I lost my connection last)
[19:08] DennisRasmussen: having an issue with both, just great :/
[19:08] slsh: maybe i go to the linux in a vm -option next
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[19:09] slsh: in the end app would be run from linux server, so in that sense it would be reasonable
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[19:12] Fabryz: mape https://github.com/mape/node-express-boilerplate/issues/3
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[19:13] Tidwell: DennisRasmussen: i've used mysql before, currently in use on a production site
[19:14] path[l]: does npm follow 302s?
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[19:16] leeda: why do i get a "cannot find module" error here: https://gist.github.com/e9868f32239ba66b58b0 ?
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[19:19] TheJH: leeda, I think you need to specify the "lib" in your require() call
[19:19] TheJH: leeda, wtf, reverse nick?
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[19:20] leeda: TheJH: hm yeah that seems to work now, thanks
[19:20] leeda: TheJH: ha, what's so wtf about that?
[19:21] TheJH: leeda, well, it's just... uh... I mean...
[19:21] TheJH: wrong.
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[19:21] leeda: ok man.
[19:22] TheJH: leeda, just because adeel was already taken?
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[19:22] leeda: TheJH: yeah
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[19:22] TheJH: ah, ok...
[19:23] TheJH: leeda, btw, did you see the topic? :D
[19:23] leeda: TheJH: anyway the weird thing is that i'm using the connect-mongodb module (https://github.com/masylum/connect-mongodb), which does require('connect/middleware/session/store'), which doesn't work...
[19:23] leeda: TheJH: haha yeah
[19:24] TheJH: leeda, I think that omitting "lib/" worked some time ago, but it was eventually removed from node core
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[19:24] TheJH: leeda, so that maybe is outdated code or so
[19:24] leeda: TheJH: i guess probably
[19:25] leeda: TheJH: ah, looks like the git version is fixed
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[19:28] TheJH: double-isaacs?
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[19:38] garrensmith: isaacs: are you collecting stats with npm on number of times a module has been installed?
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[19:43] mscdex: do not phone home. do not collect $200
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[19:46] TheJH: garrensmith, no. but a feature will probably come shortly for displaying which users told npm to mark them as users of a module
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[19:46] TheJH: the code already exists
[19:46] jhurliman: how do i upgrade npm?
[19:46] garrensmith: TheJH: ok, would be interesting to see what is the most downloaded module
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[19:47] GottZ: ryah and everyone else related to this: fs should have something like a fs.isAbsPath(path) method. stylus had an issue till now that was related to this.
[19:47] tjholowaychuk: GottZ what?
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[19:48] GottZ: well
[19:48] GottZ: wait
[19:48] TheJH: garrensmith, "most downloaded" would require inspecting the server logs, and as npms db is running on a couch-specific service, I doubt that it's possible
[19:48] tjholowaychuk: for windows?
[19:48] TheJH: GottZ, the native path module has some related stuff
[19:48] TheJH: GottZ, have a look at the path docs
[19:48] GottZ: https://github.com/LearnBoost/stylus/blob/master/lib/utils.js#L31
[19:49] GottZ: this was the problem in stylus wich made it impossible to work in windows
[19:49] tjholowaychuk: we can change that
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[19:49] TheJH: jhurliman, which version are you currently using?
[19:49] tjholowaychuk: that's just me being ignorant of windows
[19:50] jhurliman: TheJH, 1.0.6
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[19:50] jhurliman: although i'm likely using a different version on every one of my servers
[19:50] TheJH: jhurliman, for updating 1.x versions, try "sudo npm update -g npm"
[19:50] jhurliman: thanks
[19:50] TheJH: jhurliman, for 0.x, reinstall
[19:51] jhurliman: npm ERR! TypeError: Cannot call method 'filter' of undefined (https://gist.github.com/1149986)
[19:52] mscdex: seems like a bug in stylus, not in node
[19:52] mscdex: :>
[19:52] mscdex: besides, windows should allow / anyway
[19:52] mscdex: in paths
[19:53] TheJH: jhurliman, what command did you run? the one I posted?
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[19:54] jhurliman: yep, sudo npm update -g npm
[19:54] jhurliman: for npm v 1.0.6
[19:54] jhurliman: on OSX 10.6.7
[19:54] isaacs: ircretary: inst jhurliman 
[19:54] ircretary: jhurliman: `curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sh` (or, if there are permission issues, you can try: `curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sudo sh`)
[19:54] isaacs: jhurliman: 1.0.10 and before didnt' self-update properly
[19:54] jhurliman: thanks
[19:54] TheJH: isaacs, is that a usual error message?
[19:55] TheJH: isaacs, and is the "npm ERR! TypeError: Cannot call method 'filter' of undefined" specific to it?
[19:55] DennisRasmussen: Tidwell, which module? node-mysql or another?
[19:55] jhurliman: ack! it is threatening to uninstall all of my packages. i'll do this again later when i can shutdown a few things first
[19:56] jhurliman: thanks for the tips
[19:56] isaacs: jhurliman: it tries to clean up all 0.x-installed things
[19:56] DennisRasmussen: Tidwell, node-mysql gives me an error: unknown and wont connect while node-db-mysql just gives this: http://i.imgur.com/blmxI.png -.-
[19:56] isaacs: jhurliman: because npm 0.x is an abomination
[19:57] isaacs: jhurliman: you can `curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | clean=no sh` to skip the clean process
[19:57] jhurliman: ah. i thought everything was installed with the current npm (1.0.6) but maybe i had an older version previously
[19:57] jhurliman: either way, it looks like there have been 19 releases since 1.0.6 and the current version
[19:58] chrisdickinson: isaacs: out of curiosity, you mentioned wanting to integrate npm with git.js a while back -- what exactly did you need git.js to do?
[19:58] mscdex: gpm!
[19:58] mscdex: :-D
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[19:59] tbranyen: oh hey chrisdickinson 
[19:59] chrisdickinson: tbranyen: hey!
[19:59] tbranyen: yeah i think you're right about the deflate stuff
[19:59] isaacs: chrisdickinson: well, i have this thing where i parse dependency urls and do a git checkout.  also, there's a `npm submodule` thing that checks out the repo url as a submodule into ./node_modules/pkgname
[19:59] tbranyen: i finally got a chance last night to mess with git.js a bit
[19:59] chrisdickinson: tbranyen: you should check out my fork -- I've got the commonjs modules in place, and i've web-workerized the zlib stuff
[19:59] tbranyen: chrisdickinson: holy crap nice
[20:00] isaacs: chrisdickinson: mostly, i need it to do all the stuff it already does (which looks really really good), but do it without munging require.paths or leaking globals.
[20:00] chrisdickinson: tbranyen: it's all on feature/commonjs branch
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[20:00] chrisdickinson: isaacs: cool. I've got fixes for the global leakage and the require.paths munging.
[20:00] isaacs: chrisdickinson: ..."zlib stuff"?
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[20:01] chrisdickinson: isaacs: git relies pretty heavily on rawinflate/rawdeflate. git.js has a native javascript copy of each of those
[20:01] isaacs: chrisdickinson: should i be excited about that?
[20:01] isaacs: chrisdickinson: because that sounds like i should be excited about it.
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[20:01] TheJH: isaacs, does that issue only appear for self-updating or also for installing/updating normal stuff?
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[20:01] isaacs: chrisdickinson: can that be used to un/pack gzip?
[20:01] tbranyen: where is the webworker stuff?
[20:01] chrisdickinson: isaacs: haha. I've been in contact with danlucraft and he seems receptive to the changes thus far
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[20:02] isaacs: TheJH: only for self-updating.  the issue is that it deletes a file it needs before it needs it.
[20:02] chrisdickinson: isaacs: I'm not sure if it does gzip -- actually, I'm 90% sure it doesn't.
[20:02] tbranyen: ah found it
[20:02] isaacs: 
ACTION gets less excited.

[20:02] TheJH: isaacs, ok, I'll add that to my bots brain
[20:02] chrisdickinson: isaacs: but, it will do raw inflate and deflate, even in browser.
[20:02] isaacs: chrisdickinson: i'd like to free npm from any dependencies on external unix programs.  gzip, tar, and git, to be specific
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[20:03] jesusabdullah: How close are you now, isaacs ?
[20:03] chrisdickinson: isaacs: totally. I'm not sure how far you'd have to go to add in gzip support to rawdeflate. it might be a case of adding the missing block types
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[20:04] TheJH: ok... this is a test, please ignore, https://gist.github.com/1149986
[20:04] jhbot: TheJH, that version of npm doesn't cleanly self-update, use `curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sudo sh`
[20:04] TheJH: :)
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[20:04] chrisdickinson: tbranyen: yeah: https://github.com/chrisdickinson/git.js/blob/feature%2Fcommonjs/lib/git/zlib.js p.s., holy crap, webworkers + blobbuilder = awesome.
[20:04] isaacs: jesusabdullah: well, i'm hoping git.js gets to the point where it can do all the git stuff that npm does, and i've got a start of a tar parser (can parse anything, but the writer is broken), and i think the plan is to get gzip support into core at some point
[20:04] mscdex: here's something that parses tarballs in the browser: https://gist.github.com/408333
[20:05] isaacs: mscdex: doesn't handle extended pax headers
[20:05] mscdex: eh, i haven't delved into the format, so i don't know about any of that :-)
[20:05] jesusabdullah: Interesting!
[20:05] chrisdickinson: isaacs: also, the smart http remotes in git.js work now -- and i do believe they speak the same wire protocol as git://, so that might be easy to add as well.
[20:05] isaacs: mscdex: the tar format has embedded within it the history of the file system.
[20:05] tbranyen: did workers never make it into node
[20:05] tbranyen: thought i read before there was experimental support
[20:05] tbranyen: ?
[20:06] MooGoo: child process has built in message passing in .5
[20:06] chrisdickinson: the big issue is that it's dog slow at the moment. I just got done writing a little instrumentation lib that hooks on to require.extensions and I'll be using that to see where improvements can be made.
[20:06] MooGoo: or whatever the version is
[20:06] igl: node has child processes
[20:06] isaacs: tbranyen: var child = process.fork("child.js"); child.send({a: "message}); child.on("message", function (m) { console.log("got a message", m) })
[20:06] MooGoo: pretty recent tho
[20:06] chrisdickinson: isaacs: it would be really cool to enable a blob-builder style for forking a process.
[20:06] isaacs: tbranyen: then, in child.js:  process.on("message", ...0
[20:06] MooGoo: had to roll your own interface for awhile
[20:07] isaacs: chrisdickinson: blob-builder style?
[20:07] tbranyen: chrisdickinson: isn't that close to what a buffer is?
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[20:07] chrisdickinson: isaacs: tbranyen: yeah. the gist is that in browser, you use a blob builder to construct a blob of javascript, then you can get an object url and pass it to web workers.
[20:08] chrisdickinson: well, to the Worker function itself, and it'll treat it like "new Worker(url)"
[20:08] Kochpfanne: How I can install that thing on Windows: ../build/default/binding ?
[20:08] NodeDance: How can I best convert an array into XML?
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[20:08] NodeDance: Other than something like array.join()
[20:08] chrisdickinson: so instead of having to rely on an actual, physical file being present (or available on the web, in the case of web workers), you can dynamically create a file and create a worker out of it.
[20:09] TheJH: chrisdickinson, wow, didn't know that "gist" actually is an english word... :D
[20:09] micheil: chrisdickinson: hey, btw, your REPL thing you wrote, thanks for teaching me how to interact with node via a REPL
[20:09] TheJH: NodeDance, depends on what you want the array to look like
[20:09] chrisdickinson: micheil: no prob!
[20:10] tbranyen: chrisdickinson: holy shit i had no idea about that either
[20:10] tbranyen: xD
[20:10] tbranyen: god damn
[20:10] tbranyen: mind is blowing
[20:10] frodenius: w000t
[20:10] Nexxy: is that what that is
[20:10] TheJH: NodeDance, maybe numbers.map(function(e){return "<number>"+e+"</number>"}).join() ?
[20:10] frodenius: that's the sound it make
[20:10] bradleymeck: NodeDance, JUP?
[20:10] frodenius: s
[20:10] NodeDance: TheJH: A bunch of <jelly name="<from array>"></jelly> objects
[20:11] TheJH: NodeDance, Array.prototype.map and Array.prototype.join should do the job
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[20:11] Nexxy: how did you get the xml into the poor array in the first place that's my question
[20:11] NodeDance: Wow, awesome
[20:11] NodeDance: Nexxy: It was never XML, but we're about to make SOAP
[20:11] Nexxy: 
ACTION cringes

[20:11] igl: 
ACTION runs

[20:12] Nexxy: by choice?
[20:12] NodeDance: The old SOAP web service is written in Python and it is *slooooooooooow*
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[20:12] Nexxy: ok but
[20:12] Nexxy: why soap
[20:12] NodeDance: Like, eight seconds to give 12 results
[20:12] Nexxy: are you forced to work with some sadistic vendor?
[20:12] TheJH: I wish we had kohai here...
[20:12] Nexxy: soap is the epitome of reinventing the wheel
[20:12] Nexxy: it'd ridiculous
[20:12] NodeDance: Nexxy: Management is serious about SOAP
[20:12] TheJH: AvianFlu, I need kohai!!! "!insult XML"
[20:12] Nexxy: NodeDance, find new management
[20:12] wink_: if only soap were as well designed as a wheel
[20:12] Nexxy: rofl
[20:13] wink_: its more like inventing a brick while trying to invent the wheel
[20:13] MooGoo: .insult XML
[20:13] catb0t: XML does not understand the glory of getting ssh to work in fullscreen on your phonr
[20:13] Kochpfanne: Download for require('../build/default/binding'); ?
[20:13] TheJH: MooGoo, :)
[20:13] MooGoo: it really doesnt
[20:14] TheJH: we need a huge insult database everyone can integrate into his bot :D
[20:14] Nexxy: NodeDance, fwiw i'd just use .join('') or something ;3
[20:14] chrisdickinson: isaacs: anyway, in summary: I've been chatting with danlucraft, and he seems really amenable to landing the aforementioned changes, so you should be able to use git.js within the next week or so (hopefully.)
[20:14] isaacs: chrisdickinson: that's way sooner than i need it, so that rocks :)
[20:14] bradleymeck: nodedance : https://github.com/hij1nx/JUP
[20:14] isaacs: chrisdickinson: really, though, tar and gzip are sooo much more painful to lack than git, since they're needed for every install, and are much less portable
[20:15] MooGoo: can always use .insultadd
[20:15] TheJH: MooGoo, wow! :)
[20:15] MooGoo: it's not that exciting
[20:15] TheJH: MooGoo, what's the syntax? Some placeholder or so?
[20:15] MooGoo: most of the insults are from some chan of freaks on some other irc network
[20:16] tbranyen: nobody else has the git name in npm right?
[20:16] tbranyen: 
ACTION checks

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[20:16] MooGoo: TheJH I think {} == insultee and [] == insulter
[20:16] TheJH: tbranyen, you should really just use "!npm owner <name>" :(
[20:16] TheJH: MooGoo, :)
[20:16] MooGoo: !npm owner issacs
[20:17] jhbot: error
[20:17] MooGoo: cool
[20:17] TheJH: argh
[20:17] MooGoo: !npm owner substack
[20:17] jhbot: error
[20:17] MooGoo: hm
[20:17] isaacs: $ npm owner ls isaacs
[20:17] MooGoo: .npm substack
[20:17] isaacs: substack <mail@substack.net>
[20:17] TheJH: ouch...
[20:17] catb0t: Nothing found
[20:17] MooGoo: damn
[20:17] isaacs: substack owns me
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[20:17] MooGoo: .npm issacs
[20:17] catb0t: Nothing found
[20:17] isaacs: MooGoo: have to spell it right
[20:17] DanceNode: Nexxy: Management likes to put beans in their nose. They don't know it will hurt, but you can't tell them not to. You just have to let them put it in and say "Ow!!!"
[20:17] isaacs: :)
[20:17] MooGoo: nah
[20:17] MooGoo: it should just know
[20:17] mscdex: .npm isaacs
[20:17] catb0t: isaacs: Your very own isaacs. -- Author: James Halliday, Repo: git://github.com/substack/node-isaacs.git
[20:17] tbranyen: man bummer someone else already has it
[20:18] TheJH: !npm owner connect
[20:18] jhbot: owners: tjholowaychuk <tj@vision-media.ca>, creationix <tim@creationix.com>
[20:18] TheJH: hmm, that works...
[20:18] DanceNode: WTF. How does map() pass a reference to a member of an array? I thought you could also reference objects.
[20:18] TheJH: !npm owner npm
[20:18] jhbot: owners: isaacs <i@izs.me>
[20:18] Nexxy: DanceNode, where have I heard that before
[20:18] TheJH: huh?
[20:18] TheJH: now it works...
[20:18] TheJH: ah, yes
[20:18] DennisRasmussen: I miss npm :[ wanted to update it (from 0.x) and ended up reinstalling but now I can't and it blows having to manually install the submodules :@
[20:19] isaacs: DennisRasmussen: you'll learn to enjoy it.
[20:19] TheJH: MooGoo, my bot takes a package as argument, not a name
[20:19] MooGoo: !npm sqlite3
[20:19] DanceNode: Wow. Can I delete a member of array from map()?
[20:19] MooGoo: !npm
[20:19] DennisRasmussen: isaacs, enjoying what?
[20:19] TheJH: MooGoo, !npm owner
[20:19] TheJH: MooGoo, or !npm search
[20:19] MooGoo: !npm package sqlite3
[20:19] isaacs: DennisRasmussen: local installs
[20:19] DanceNode: map() is way better than a while loop
[20:19] MooGoo: !npm search sqlite3
[20:19] jhbot: package sqlite3: Asynchronous, non-blocking SQLite3 bindings
[20:20] isaacs: DennisRasmussen: you can use the link command to install something globally, and link the global one into your project.
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[20:20] MooGoo: do you use command line npm or npmjs.org
[20:20] TheJH: MooGoo, npm search is the best command, it even supports "|" and "&" :)
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[20:20] TheJH: and parens
[20:20] isaacs: TheJH: really?
[20:20] TheJH: MooGoo, neither
[20:21] TheJH: isaacs, yes, my bot can do it :)
[20:21] isaacs: TheJH: you should be patching npm itself, not writing a bot to do it ;)
[20:21] MooGoo: npmjs.org's "api" is kinda retarded
[20:21] MooGoo: most api's are actually
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[20:21] stride: DanceNode: iirc, you can't remove from within map
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[20:22] isaacs: MooGoo: what would you like to see from it?
[20:22] DanceNode: Then how do you map-reduce? :<
[20:22] TheJH: MooGoo, you're talking to the DB, not to some API, so be thankful for the DB having such a nice interface that you think it's an API :D
[20:22] DennisRasmussen: isaacs, sure, but I have to look into all the dependencies and then find them on the web to download them. Now I prefer using npm though not having to do all of that :)
[20:22] TheJH: DanceNode, there's a reduce function for that, I think :D
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[20:22] MooGoo: I dunno, I just remember it being confusing, but I'm pretty bad at stuff so it might just be me
[20:23] AvianFlu: TheJH: you got a whitelist on jhbot?
[20:23] TheJH: AvianFlu, whitelist? I asked ryah some time ago whether I could bring him in and he said that it would be ok, I think
[20:23] stride: DanceNode: with map and reduce. you might be looking for filter (you could use it to drop stuff that was set to null in your map steps if that's really necessary and you don't need nulls)
[20:23] jesusabdullah: TheJH: List of people that can use it
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[20:24] MooGoo: people should just bring in their bots without asking permission
[20:24] AvianFlu: I meant that in the sense of people giving commands to the bot
[20:24] MooGoo: world would be a better place
[20:24] TheJH: jesusabdullah, no, everyone can. except for the stuff that begins with !admin, that's only for me
[20:24] AvianFlu: MooGoo: you asked for it
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[20:24] DanceNode: stride: Is that better than running through the array with a while loop and splicing out the ones you don't want (in terms of performance)?
[20:25] TheJH: (you can get a command list with "help" in query, btw)
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[20:25] AvianFlu: !insult jhbot
[20:25] kohai: I slap thee verily with a trout quite large, jhbot!
[20:25] jesusabdullah: I see
[20:25] TheJH: :) :) :) kohai!!!
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[20:25] jhbot: kohai, I hereby slap you back
[20:25] TheJH: bot party :)
[20:25] AvianFlu: !insult XML
[20:25] kohai: XML is an unsightly trouser stain!
[20:26] TheJH: :)
[20:26] MooGoo: .insult kohai 
[20:26] catb0t: kohai is late to chat, COME ON GET IN HERE!
[20:26] isaacs: !insult kohai
[20:26] kohai: kohai is an unsightly trouser stain!
[20:26] MooGoo: .insult kohai 
[20:26] catb0t: kohai sent Bick money to pay for Haven's server costs
[20:26] stride: DanceNode: I'd guess but I didn't run any benchmarks to confirm that
[20:26] isaacs: !insult catb0t
[20:26] kohai: catb0t is a wombat-loving heifer-puncher!
[20:26] catb0t: heiferpuncher wombatloving
[20:26] isaacs: .insult jhbot
[20:26] catb0t: jhbot does not believe that Johnny Five is alive
[20:26] isaacs: :) :) :) catb0t
[20:26] catb0t:  
[20:26] isaacs: :) :) :) catb0t!!!
[20:26] catb0t:  
[20:26] MooGoo: catb0t is speechless
[20:26] catb0t: speechless is
[20:26] jhbot: isaacs, I don't believe anything
[20:27] bradleymeck: catb0t is
[20:27] visnup: this is creepy
[20:27] isaacs: jhbot: that's because you don't have an internal state
[20:27] catb0t: is every browser has to do a branch diff 
[20:27] isaacs: !insult visnup
[20:27] kohai: I punt thee squarely in the privy-stones, visnup!
[20:27] isaacs: .insult visnup
[20:27] catb0t: visnup is the Queens spank monkey
[20:27] MooGoo: should I change catb0t's name back to Calvin
[20:27] catb0t: catb0t's name back to Calvin and Hobbes should
[20:27] MooGoo: yea
[20:27] isaacs: catb0t: Hobbes is your lord and master of thing of what it's like to be !insult
[20:27] catb0t: Hobbes is your modified code insult
[20:27] jhbot: isaacs, knowing when I fetched your database the last time doesn't count as internal state?
[20:27] isaacs: hahaha
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[20:28] isaacs: jhbot is a turkish chessmachine!
[20:28] tjholowaychuk: isaacs if you GET http://registry.npmjs.org/express is it possible to filter only the versions?
[20:28] jesusabdullah: I used to have an irc bot
[20:28] tjholowaychuk: or do you have to pull it all down
[20:28] jesusabdullah: It's how I learned2node!
[20:28] AvianFlu: !insult jesusabdullah
[20:28] kohai: jesusabdullah is an unsightly trouser stain!
[20:28] jhbot: "!admin say" is a perfectly valid IRC command, I'd say
[20:28] MooGoo: nodejs was designed as an irc bot platform
[20:28] DTrejo: !insult jesusabdullah 
[20:28] isaacs: tjholowaychuk: like http://registry.npmjs.org/express/2.4.4?
[20:28] jesusabdullah: Pretty much, MooGoo 
[20:29] DTrejo: aw I'm not admin anymore! whuhhh
[20:29] tjholowaychuk: isaacs something like GET http://registry.npmjs.org/express/versions
[20:29] AvianFlu: try now DTrejo
[20:29] DTrejo: 
ACTION is really sad now

[20:29] DTrejo: !insult jesusabdullah 
[20:29] kohai: jesusabdullah is an unsightly trouser stain!
[20:29] MooGoo: I used to use PHP-IRC...
[20:29] DTrejo: yay!
[20:29] AvianFlu: this is the refactored bot, although an older version of it
[20:29] MooGoo: then the hardisk mercifully crashed
[20:29] isaacs: tjholowaychuk: oh, no
[20:29] jesusabdullah: lol
[20:29] DTrejo: !tweet @avianflu I <3 you daddy!
[20:29] isaacs: tjholowaychuk: but you can `npm view express versions` to get a list
[20:30] TheJH: isaacs, I'm not inside the bot, I just tell it "!admin say <channel> <stuff>"
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[20:30] tjholowaychuk: k cool, wasn't sure if couchdb had something like that built in
[20:30] DanceNode: !compliment Madonna
[20:30] isaacs: tjholowaychuk: no, but it wouldn't be hard to add something like that
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[20:30] MooGoo: I once tried something like that
[20:30] MooGoo: no one ever used it
[20:30] bradleymeck: we need to get google+ integration into kohai sometime
[20:30] AvianFlu: lol DTrejo I'm @Av1anFlu
[20:30] AvianFlu: but that did go through
[20:31] DTrejo: oh dangit
[20:31] DTrejo: yes it did :)
[20:31] AvianFlu: I think the streaming connection is down atm
[20:31] TheJH: isaacs, in case you're interested, here's my search code: https://gist.github.com/1145342#file_search.coffee
[20:31] jhbot: TheJH, that version of npm (0.x) is ancient. update npm with `curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sudo sh`.
[20:31] jhbot: TheJH, that version of nodejs is ancient, use 0.4.x or newer
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[20:31] TheJH: jhbot, you successfully linted your own source :(
[20:31] DTrejo: haha
[20:32] DTrejo: how did it know the npm version?
[20:32] MooGoo: I cant use 5.3 cause it breaks sqlite3 and libxmljs
[20:32] AvianFlu: package.json maybe
[20:32] DTrejo: oh
[20:32] TheJH: DTrejo, it scans all gists for certain stacktrace parts
[20:32] jesusabdullah: That's pretty awesome actually :D
[20:32] jesusabdullah: That's *really* awesome
[20:32] DTrejo: TheJH: that's pretty cool man :)
[20:32] DTrejo: TheJH: PRETTY FUCKIN COOL
[20:32] jesusabdullah: I mean, that it automatically checks code for shit like that
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[20:33] DTrejo: just wanted to get that into the public record
[20:33] DTrejo: me saying that and all 
[20:33] TheJH: jesusabdullah, not code. stacktraces.
[20:33] DTrejo: pgriess_: ohai :) 
[20:33] pgriess_: DTrejo: howdy
[20:33] jesusabdullah: Oh!
[20:33] jesusabdullah: Well
[20:33] jesusabdullah: I'm going to pretend that stack traces are pretty much the same thing ;)
[20:33] TheJH: jesusabdullah, :D
[20:33] jesusabdullah: It's like performance art and residue
[20:33] jesusabdullah: OH MAN
[20:34] jesusabdullah: I'm going to make a program, and then print out the stack trace
[20:34] jesusabdullah: and then hang *that* in an art gallery
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[20:34] AvianFlu: call it "abandoned dream"
[20:34] TheJH: jesusabdullah, but it in fact automatically lints all gists in #coffeescript to detect wrong indentation
[20:34] jesusabdullah: Neat
[20:34] soapyillusions: I am sending a 'Connection': 'Keep-Alive' header to my node server… Though after a few seconds with no activity the connection seems to close
[20:34] MooGoo: lol
[20:34] TheJH: e.g. indent 2, outdent 1 or mixed spaces and tabs
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[20:37] jesusabdullah: I want to gather up a bunch of art and "art" at stackhaus, make labels for everything, and then invite people over on First Friday for cheese and wine
[20:37] jesusabdullah: SubStack: We should do this ^^
[20:37] jesusabdullah: "The turtle makes a bold, if misunderstood statement about node.js"
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[20:38] jesusabdullah: "By displaying the stack trace from the work, the creator creates a piercing commentary of both performance art and software"
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[20:41] DanceNode: .insult People that think voting is the panacea of democracy
[20:41] catb0t: People that think voting is the panacea of democracy, you old Tomnoddy.
[20:41] DanceNode: .insult People that think voting is the panacea of democracy
[20:41] catb0t: People that think voting is the panacea of democracy thinks Ana Luca was the sexiest one on Lost
[20:41] DanceNode: :o
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[20:41] jesusabdullah: Was she?
[20:41] AvianFlu: !insult catb0t
[20:41] kohai: catb0t smells of elderberry wine!
[20:41] catb0t: elderberry smells
[20:42] jesusabdullah: I never really liked that show
[20:42] jesusabdullah: not gonna lie
[20:42] MooGoo: she wasnt as terrible as most people thought
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[20:42] MooGoo: yea it sux
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[20:45] DanceNode: !insult Lars Bak, we love you, but
[20:45] DanceNode: .insult Lars Bak, we love you, but
[20:45] catb0t: Lars Bak, we love you, but is in this chatroom
[20:46] DTrejo: I love our bots
[20:46] DTrejo: !insult catb0t 
[20:46] kohai: catb0t is an unsightly trouser stain!
[20:46] catb0t: unsightly trouser
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[20:46] DTrejo: catb0t is an old fogey
[20:46] catb0t: fogey old
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[20:49] AvianFlu: !insult catb0t
[20:49] kohai: catb0t is a venomous lily-licker!
[20:49] catb0t: lilylicker venomous
[20:49] MooGoo: catb0t say something not stupid
[20:49] catb0t: something in uglify that will run after the app says it 's ASCII text
[20:50] chapel: !insult !insult
[20:50] kohai: !insult is like one of those callbacks that just won't fire.
[20:50] chapel: this not refactorbot?
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[20:51] ryankee: yo -- any of you guys have issues when installing a cli with npm? i'm not getting the package's node_moduls director in the require.main.paths
[20:51] AvianFlu: chapel: this isn't HEAD
[20:51] AvianFlu: I haven't had time to push that live yet
[20:51] chapel: ah
[20:51] DanceNode: catb0t's insults are trite and boring.
[20:51] catb0t: catb0t's insults are from some chan of freaks on some other apps, is all new connections to something
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[20:52] hkjels: I've added some posts to mongodb in markdown format. I am not able to loop through them and use the markdown filter
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[20:52] hkjels: Any ideas?
[20:52] AvianFlu: catb0t's insults sound like they come out of a markov chain
[20:52] catb0t: catb0t's insults sound like they go out and check out your link
[20:52] DanceNode: catb0t: I love madonna.
[20:52] catb0t: madonna is making it unhappy love
[20:52] AvianFlu: !insult catb0t
[20:52] kohai: I punt thee squarely in the privy-stones, catb0t!
[20:52] catb0t: privystones squarely
[20:52] hkjels: - each is just outputted
[20:52] DanceNode: catb0t: Madonna is loved by me.
[20:52] catb0t: Madonna is beautiful because she's loved
[20:52] DanceNode: :D
[20:52] MooGoo: that;s the gayest thing I've ever heard
[20:52] DanceNode: It's her birthday today :)
[20:52] AvianFlu: how ironic!
[20:52] MooGoo: is she 70?
[20:53] DanceNode: She is 40
[20:53] Murvin: in express, i can put middleware in each function. e.g. get('/', checkAdmin, function(){})   get('/abc', checkAdmin, function() ) ....
[20:53] AvianFlu: no way, madonna is way over 40
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[20:53] bluesmoon: hi all.  I'm new here.  started working on node.js about 4 weeks ago.
[20:53] AvianFlu: madonna was 40 when I was in high school, I though
[20:53] AvianFlu: t
[20:53] DanceNode: AvianFlu: No, she stopped aging when she joined us in Kabbalah.
[20:53] Murvin: if I have 100 functions, then I hav eot put checkAdmin for every function.
[20:53] bluesmoon: s/on/with/
[20:53] MooGoo: .w madonna
[20:53] tjholowaychuk: Murvin #express
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[20:53] AvianFlu: AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH touche
[20:53] chapel: http://i.imgur.com/FnYIu.jpg
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[20:53] catb0t: Madonna ; August 16, 1958) is an American singer-songwriter, actress and entrepreneur. Born in Bay City, Michigan, she moved to New York City in 1977 to pursue a career in modern dance. After performing in the music groups Breakfast Club and Emmy, she released her debut album in 1983. She followed it with a series of albums by which she found immense popularity by pushing the boundaries of lyrical content in mainstream po
[20:53] catb0t: pular music and imagery in her music videos, which became a fixture on MTV. Throughout her career, many of her songs have hit number one on the record charts, including "Like a Virgin", "Papa Don't Preach", "Like a Prayer", "Vogue", "Frozen", "Music", "Hung Up", and "4 Minutes". Critics have praised Madonna for her diverse musical productions while at the same time serving as a lightning rod for religious controversy.
[20:54] MooGoo: AHHH
[20:54] MooGoo: holy shit
[20:54] Murvin: what should I do to simply it.. just 'define" it once and I don't have to put it for every function..
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[20:54] jesusabdullah: haha, that's great
[20:54] MooGoo: .. 2011 - 1958
[20:54] catb0t: 53
[20:54] DanceNode: I put this as a favicon on every site I have access to: http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/sF9qemlkfW4/default.jpg
[20:54] MooGoo: she old
[20:54] Murvin: #express
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[20:54] ale: Hello, I am creating a multi-room chat and need help on managing the messages sent on each room..how can I do this?
[20:55] DanceNode: MooGoo: Age isn't real.
[20:55] MooGoo: it's pretty real I think
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[20:55] frodenius: DanceNode㇀ say that to a 70 year old
[20:55] bluesmoon: DanceNode: it certainly isn't imaginary
[20:56] Murvin: tjholowaychuk: u mean express channel?
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[20:56] tjbot: Murvin check out #express
[20:56] AvianFlu: !insult 13Madonna
[20:56] kohai: 13Madonna actually looks rather nice today.
[20:56] tjholowaychuk: yeah
[20:56] AvianFlu: LOL GOD DAMN IT KOHAI
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[20:56] Murvin: how to add channel without login again
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[20:57] chapel: ale: are you using socket.io?
[20:57] DanceNode: I love Madonna
[20:57] ale: chapel: yes
[20:57] chapel: 0.7?
[20:57] chapel: use rooms
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[20:58] DanceNode: 
ACTION wears Madonna records when using a condom.

[20:58] ale: chapel: yes, but how do I know which user is in which room?
[20:59] chapel: you have them join the room
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[20:59] chapel: socket.join('justin bieber fans');
[20:59] chapel: socket.broadcast.to('justin bieber fans').emit('new fan');
[20:59] chapel:   io.sockets.in('rammstein fans').emit('new non-fan');
[20:59] chapel: so you can do broadcast or emit
[20:59] AvianFlu: it's a little creepy that those were your first two examples, chapel
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[21:00] chapel: its the examples on the repo
[21:00] AvianFlu: LOL that's even creepier
[21:00] ale: yes, but that's one room..I should use maybe sessions? or arrays? 
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[21:00] chapel: umm
[21:00] chapel: if you have multiple rooms
[21:00] chapel: you have them join each room
[21:00] MooGoo: this chan is full of bad taste today
[21:00] chapel: or whatever rooms
[21:00] wink_: have you guys seen a rammstein show?  it'd be awesome if bieber ended up on stage
[21:00] wink_: god knows what would happen
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[21:01] AvianFlu: yeah, I actually agree with you there
[21:01] wink_: although it might be illegal
[21:01] chapel: and you just pass the room object when the client sends a message, to know what room to send to the rest of the users
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[21:01] DanceNode: 
ACTION puts Madonna CDs in his underwear when he sleeps.

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[21:01] AvianFlu: !insult underwear
[21:01] kohai: I slap thee verily with a trout quite large, underwear!
[21:01] Taai: Hello, everyone!
[21:03] TheJH: wtf? cradle uses require.paths?
[21:03] AvianFlu: !insult require.paths
[21:03] kohai: require.paths actually looks rather nice today.
[21:04] jesusabdullah: Really?
[21:04] jesusabdullah: !insult require.paths
[21:04] kohai: require.paths is a wombat-loving heifer-puncher!
[21:04] jesusabdullah: !insult kohai
[21:04] kohai: kohai is an unsightly trouser stain!
[21:04] jesusabdullah: It's true
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[21:05] TheJH: !npm search xml&stream
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[21:05] jhbot: package halfstreamxml: converts a stream of XML to a stream of objects
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[21:05] jhbot: package xml-stream: XML stream to JavaScript object converter based on Expat.
[21:05] TheJH: :)
[21:05] StanlySoManly: did the local install of node/npm as shown in the first technique here:  https://gist.github.com/579814#file_node_and_npm_in_30_seconds.sh   then used the registry workaround as described here:  https://github.com/isaacs/npm/issues/1268   to install css lint via npm  but i still can't run csslint on its own. I'm not sure if I'm missing a $PATH something-or-other or what. I've done some searching around and not finding much.   node 0.5.4/npm 1.0.24 
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[21:06] Taai: I have a question about JavaScript's splice() function. I use it like this:   arr.splice(arr.indexOf(myObject), 1)   - Is there a possibility that the removed will be not the myObject ?
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[21:06] StanlySoManly: anybody have any ideas? 
[21:06] TheJH: isaacs, this search was powered by my complex-search module on npm :)
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[21:06] AvianFlu: !npm search hashbangify
[21:06] jhbot: package hashbangify: Make your node scripts executable!
[21:06] chrisdickinson: Taai: yes.
[21:06] TheJH: StanlySoManly, did you use the -g flag?
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[21:07] StanlySoManly: TheJH: i did not. i didn't want to install it globally (i think) since it's a local install of node/npm. 
[21:07] TheJH: AvianFlu, it also supports | for or and & for and
[21:07] chrisdickinson: Taai: if indexOf doesn't find `myObject`, it'll return '-1'. Then splice will take the last element off of the array.
[21:07] AvianFlu: nice!
[21:07] TheJH: StanlySoManly, for command-line tools, you need -g
[21:07] chrisdickinson: v8: a = [1,2,3,4]; b = a.splice(a.indexOf(100), 1); console.log(a, b)
[21:07] StanlySoManly: TheJH: aha. i figured somehow the problem was that i was an idiot. :) 
[21:08] TheJH: :D
[21:08] DanceNode: !celebrate Madonna for 29 years of software architecting music.
[21:08] TheJH: StanlySoManly, finally someone else who calls himself an idiot :)
[21:09] StanlySoManly: TheJH: usually when i'm fighting against a piece of software, it's not the software that's the problem. 
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[21:11] DanceNode: The birthday girl herself: http://i.imgur.com/brnws.jpg
[21:12] DanceNode: This has been a great day, other than having to port a SOAP service to node
[21:12] Taai: chrisdickinson: Ok, I can manage that the indexOf doesn't return -1, but is it possible that in that few miliseconds the array would change because of that in the other iteration (?) ot that function where this gets done, that array also gets changed...
[21:13] chrisdickinson: Taai: javascript is single threaded. the array won't change between the indexOf and the splice statement.
[21:13] micheil: ryah / bnoordhuis: you there?
[21:13] TheJH: Taai, no multithreading and less nasty race conditions in node :)
[21:14] ryah: micheil: whats up
[21:14] micheil: ryah: with the upgrade event
[21:14] ryah: its on the request now
[21:14] micheil: would it be possible to land a patch that attaches the upgradeHead to the request object?
[21:14] micheil: what?
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[21:14] DanceNode: ryah: Okay sorry, I'll be good I promise. :p
[21:15] ryah: do you mean server-side or client side?
[21:15] micheil: server-side
[21:15] ryah: micheil: should be the same
[21:15] micheil: so I can access the upgradeHead via req.upgradeHead
[21:16] micheil: currently it's a third argument to the upgrade event
[21:16] ryah: micheil: oh - why?
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[21:17] micheil: ryah: because, it makes more sense for this data to be on the request
[21:17] micheil: as it's theoretically part of the request
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[21:18] Taai: chrisdickinson: So, that means that if I use http server class and, for example, I make the callback function to run for ~ 5 seconds   while (Date.now() < endTime) {}   , the other requests to the webserver would wait?
[21:18] micheil: (tangentially, websockets draft-10 no longer needs it)
[21:18] bluesmoon: TheJH: I've submitted a few patches for cradle to make it work in 0.5.x
[21:18] chrisdickinson: Taai: yep.
[21:18] TheJH: bluesmoon, ah, ok
[21:18] blueadept2: anyone use this async lib? https://github.com/fjakobs/async.js
[21:18] bluesmoon: TheJH: in particular, require.paths and http.getAgent
[21:18] micheil: ryah: so, you'd have:   server.on('upgrade', function(req, socket) {})
[21:19] micheil: in all honesty it should have never been a third arguement.
[21:19] micheil: it should have been hanging off the request object
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[21:20] jetienne: bluesmoon: i tried but went with gowiththeflow.js instead
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[21:20] jetienne: :)
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[21:20] blueadept2: i'll check it out. code is starting to get a little messy
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[21:21] blueadept2: starting writing this transaction code for postgres and its looking bad
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[21:21] jetienne: a good control flow lib helps when you do file/db stuff
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[21:22] Taai: chrisdickinson: Thank you really much! I wasn't sure about the event thing, so I was over-cautious and made un-needed checks. But now I get it and can chill out a little. ;)
[21:22] chrisdickinson: Taai: no problem! have fun!
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[21:24] bluesmoon: jetienne: what do you use it for?  sorry, I'm getting lost with all the cross-conversations happening
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[21:26] AvianFlu: blueadept2: use http://github.com/caolan/async instead
[21:26] AvianFlu: or jetienne's, I haven't used his
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[21:27] bluesmoon: so which couched client would folks here recommend?  apart from cradle.
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[21:37] mscdex: kohai!
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[21:37] AvianFlu: I'm restarting his twitter stream lol
[21:38] Fabryz: need a hand: I've moved some dirs under a new "public" dir on my repo. Git pushed, but the old dirs on the root are still there, how to remove them? https://github.com/Fabryz/wander
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[21:40] Fabryz: is it "git rm filename"?
[21:40] AvianFlu: yep
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[21:40] AvianFlu: you can also do git rm -r for recursive I think
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[21:47] micheil: ryah: is that + 1 bug in upgrade's going to be back ported to 0.4?
[21:48] micheil: ryah: ie, this commit: https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/2126989a32f74dea0476c770f5dda826f12bc457
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[21:49] ryah: micheil: if you want to do it - sure
[21:49] martypdx: forever doesn't seem to npm install on 0.4.10 or 0.5.4 on Ubuntu, is there a work around or could someone recommend another simple option for running node scripts on server?
[21:50] ryah: v0.4 is on its last legs though
[21:50] ryah: i'll do v0.4.11 this week but i doubt we'll make it to .12
[21:50] AvianFlu: martypdx are you trying to install it -g?
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[21:51] martypdx: @AvianFlu yes, will try w/o -g. should it be fine on both .4.10 and .5.x?
[21:51] AvianFlu: no, you should be installing it with -g
[21:51] AvianFlu: and you should use 0.4.x
[21:51] AvianFlu: what kind of error do you get?
[21:52] martypdx: node-waf-configure build
[21:52] micheil: ryah: I can't commit time to do it, as I need to get v2.0.00 of node-websocket-server out by monday.
[21:52] micheil: `3rdEden: could you backport that?
[21:52] AvianFlu: yeah, that's the node-daemon compile step
[21:52] AvianFlu: can you gist the output?
[21:52] micheil: `3rdEden: see the commit I linked to for ryah
[21:52] `3rdEden: reading up atm
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[21:54] martypdx: AvianFlu here it is: https://gist.github.com/1150284
[21:55] `3rdEden: micheil I don't have time either, I'm going on vaction on friday
[21:55] `3rdEden: sorry
[21:55] singkong: Hello, anybody knows how to build node.js for android?
[21:55] AvianFlu: oh, martypdx, you need to be root or sudo'd to do a -g install
[21:55] AvianFlu: sudo npm install forever -g
[21:55] AvianFlu: or use su and just do it as root
[21:55] AvianFlu: or whatever you might need to do on your machine
[21:57] martypdx: yeah, i just realized that. usually I have been doing npm set unsafe-perm true. I'm a unix/linux n00b, so I'm not sure about root. I ssh'd in as root@IP, so not sure why i would not be? sudo is not recognized as command, do I need to do something for that?
[21:57] micheil: ryah: I would do it, but it needs testing to check that it doesn't have any side-effects, and I can't do that testing right now
[21:57] micheil: ryah: is there anyone else who knows that code and uses that could do it?
[21:57] ryah: micheil: me :)
[21:58] AvianFlu: martypdx do you see a # at the end of your prompt?
[21:58] martypdx: yes
[21:58] micheil: ryah: but you probably don't have time to do it either.
[21:58] AvianFlu: so you're root, but you're getting permission denied
[21:58] TheJH: complex search for npm with &|() done :) https://github.com/isaacs/npm/pull/1275
[21:59] TheJH: meh, why is isaacs offline now?
[21:59] AvianFlu: can you do a ls -al on that path and see if you own the stuff?
[21:59] `3rdEden: micheil ryah but having it back port to 0.4.10 would be nice to have
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[21:59] ryah: micheil: it's not so important to backport - the parser fixes are fairly minor
[21:59] micheil: TheJH: isaacs is really busy doing joyent stuff for now
[22:00] micheil: (afaik)
[22:00] micheil: ryah: okay
[22:00] TheJH: :(
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[22:00] TheJH: well, 00:00 here, I'll have some sleep, good night
[22:00] micheil: ryah: so is it actually due to a http-parser change?
[22:01] martypdx: AvianFlu yes it has root root on all the entries
[22:01] guidocalvano: hey people, complex question, but if you know how its probably easy
[22:01] guidocalvano: in javascript, how do I override property access
[22:01] ryah: micheil: yes
[22:01] ryah: micheil: the previous commit is a http-parser upgrade
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[22:02] martypdx: AvianFlu the permission strings (i assume that's what they are: drwxr-xr-x) vary across the resources
[22:02] ryah: micheil: https://github.com/ry/http-parser/commit/056bcd36728e52bef6fb42607be13037e4f474de
[22:02] guidocalvano: I'd like to be able to do something like this: Object.prototype.accessProperty = function( name ) { console.log( name ) ; return 5 ; } ;
[22:02] AvianFlu: martypdx: if something was set non-writable, you'd see the same error message
[22:03] AvianFlu: so that's one thing to look for
[22:03] guidocalvano: such that if I do this: var o = new Object() ; o.bla ;
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[22:03] guidocalvano: it will print bla to the command line
[22:03] guidocalvano: and it will return 5
[22:03] martypdx: AvianFlu i'll need to look up how to decode those. it DID install with unsafe-perm true, so I am unblocked for now.
[22:04] softdrink: guidocalvano:  you can only do it for specific properties. there's no generic property manipulation hook that i know of
[22:04] AvianFlu: you can paste me the list if it's nothing sensitive, I can read those fast
[22:04] AvianFlu: but it's hard to just tell you what to look for
[22:04] guidocalvano: softdrink: I feared that 
[22:04] micheil: ryah: ah, okay. I didn't know about that; I'm only just getting back into contributing to node.js stuff
[22:04] AvianFlu: that's good if it worked, odd that you're seeing the message at all
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[22:06] mscdex: node.js rules!
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[22:06] insin: 
ACTION wonders how he came to be writing a small-scale version of Django's admin in JS with no frigging model layer to speak of O_o

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[22:08] insin: I have big love for JS today. Browsers, Node, CouchDB, they all look to be lining up for me, and they all feel so damned fun to work with.
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[22:09] AvianFlu: insin: you win!
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[22:10] martypdx: AvianFlu https://gist.github.com/1150318
[22:10] context: JumpingMouse ?
[22:10] AvianFlu: martypdx none of that is wrong unless node/npm somehow isn't root
[22:10] AvianFlu: I'm really not sure what might cause that
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[22:12] kombucha: Is `require` supposed to "see" dependency modules? I have a package with dependencies (installed via npm) and requiring one of its dependencies errors out (`require` doesn't seem to be able to find it)
[22:12] martypdx: context yes, JumpingMouse :)
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[22:12] DanceNode: What's the maximum number of nested anonymous functions?
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[22:13] AvianFlu: kombucha: if its in your project's `node_modules` folder, then yes
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[22:13] DanceNode: 
ACTION 67 levels of nested anonymous functions :(

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[22:13] context: kombucha: you need to depend on it if you plan on using it.
[22:13] AvianFlu: DanceNode: that's really a question of how big your call stack can get before it shits itself
[22:13] tjholowaychuk: DanceNode jesus christ
[22:13] tjholowaychuk: that's just wrong :p
[22:14] AvianFlu: but yeah, you shouldn't nest anonymous functions past a level or two, it's mean to your readers
[22:14] kombucha: context: in my project's node_modules there is only main package; its dependencies aren't there
[22:14] context: kombucha: ITS dependencies are in ITS node_modules directory
[22:14] AvianFlu: yeah
[22:14] kombucha: context: actually, they seem to be in node_modules/my_package/node_modules
[22:15] context: if YOU need it, YOU need to depend on it, so it will show up in YOUR node_modules directory
[22:15] AvianFlu: the app is in myapp/ , the app is myapp/main.js , the deps are in myapp/node_modules
[22:15] martypdx: AvainFlu thanks for your help
[22:15] insin: what are the max call stacks for each interpreter, or rather which has the least?
[22:15] AvianFlu: i.e. myapp/node_modules/colors
[22:15] AvianFlu: np!
[22:15] DanceNode: tjholowaychuk, AvianFlu: Our SOAP web service port to node.js's codebase has become ...unsightly.
[22:15] AvianFlu: ahahahahahahahhaa
[22:15] AvianFlu: listen, I'd say just name the functions
[22:15] jesusabdullah: rofl
[22:15] jesusabdullah: "unsightly"
[22:15] jesusabdullah: nice
[22:15] context: kombucha: no. you cannot 'require' the dependencies of a package you depend on.
[22:15] AvianFlu: you can break them out and de-anonymize them for fun and profit
[22:16] kombucha: context: understood
[22:16] AvianFlu: I have a gist that shows the idea somewhere, hang on
[22:16] tjholowaychuk: some people were just not meant to write js
[22:16] jesusabdullah: I get paid per keystroke, so
[22:16] kombucha: context: thanks!
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[22:16] DanceNode: Because we have 67 inline anonymous functions, the indentation is bigger than my screen
[22:16] AvianFlu: DanceNode: you can nest anonymous functions, or you can do stuff like this https://gist.github.com/1131154
[22:16] MooGoo: .. var c = 0; function f() { c++; f() }; f();
[22:16] catb0t: RangeError: Maximum call stack size exceeded
[22:16] MooGoo: .. c
[22:16] catb0t: ReferenceError: c is not defined
[22:16] MooGoo: meyh
[22:17] MooGoo: .. c = 0; function f() { c++; f() }; f();
[22:17] catb0t: RangeError: Maximum call stack size exceeded
[22:17] MooGoo: .. c
[22:17] catb0t: ReferenceError: c is not defined
[22:17] stephank: A knockout spot just opened up.
[22:17] stephank: Run.
[22:18] context: moogoo: you cant do that !
[22:18] MooGoo: wai
[22:18] context: its an infinite recursion.
[22:18] MooGoo: norly?
[22:18] context: nm, dont care
[22:18] MooGoo: I wanna see how far it gets
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[22:19] context: than catch the exception and print c ?
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[22:19] xeodox: Does anyone know how to make Express cookies the same across all subdomains? .domain.com
[22:19] MooGoo: .. c = 0; function f() { c++; try { f() } catch(e) { print(c) }}; f();
[22:19] catb0t: 13061; undefined
[22:19] AvianFlu: context ++
[22:19] MooGoo: yes
[22:20] tjholowaychuk: xeodox use { domain: '.domain.com' }
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[22:20] MooGoo: what a strange number
[22:20] AvianFlu: it will likely vary based on the size of the function you recurse
[22:20] context: moogoo: and i imagine that limit varies based on whats going on. your f() isnt the top of the stack for starters...
[22:20] MooGoo: .. c = 0; function f() {var x=5, y=4; c++; try { f() } catch(e) { print(c) }}; f();
[22:20] catb0t: 13061; undefined
[22:20] AvianFlu: since it's a question of available stack memory
[22:20] xeodox: app.use(express.session({domain:'.domain.com','secret':'abc'});
[22:20] xeodox: like that?
[22:21] tjholowaychuk: xeodox oh for session. session({ cookie: { stuff }})
[22:21] insin: THE PHRASE "shimplementation" - Y U HAVE NO GOOGLE HITS?
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[22:22] xeodox: tjholowaychuk: wait, it works! I did  app.use(express.session({domain:'.domain.com','secret':'abc'}); and now sessions hold true across subdomains
[22:24] zorzar: is anybody aware of a postgres library for node that is capable of doing stored procedures?
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[22:53] iammerrick: Not that I have a problem with Express, just wanting to broaden my point of view. What other popular frameworks are in active dev in node
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[22:54] ale: Guys, after sending a message, on a chat, how do I scroll down?
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[23:04] TruPpp: Hi, i moved from windows to linux ubuntu and i used notepad++ for programming. Now i dont know what to use in linux. I heard that vim is quite popular but it seems for me that it takes some time to learn it and i am wondering if its worth the effort.
[23:04] AvianFlu: "worth the effort" is impossible to quantify, really
[23:04] AvianFlu: vim is sweet, but so are a few graphical IDEs
[23:04] AvianFlu: I use sublime text 2, which is pretty cool
[23:04] TruPpp: okay
[23:05] AvianFlu: there's also GEdit for gnome and Kate/Kdevelop for KDE
[23:05] tjholowaychuk: TruPpp dont worry about it too much unless navigating files / typing is really a bottleneck
[23:05] TruPpp: basically i dont need more than notepad++ provides
[23:05] iammerrick: TruPpp: The natural port from notepad++ is gedit I thouygh
[23:05] AvianFlu: or there's nano, the regular man's text editor
[23:05] tjholowaychuk: which it most likely isnt
[23:05] iammerrick: http://projects.gnome.org/gedit/
[23:05] AvianFlu: yeah gedit is definitely a nice editor
[23:05] insin: GEdit is passable enough with the right plugins, I use a pretty light text editor on Windows too, and GEdit is what I usually go with in Ubuntu
[23:05] TruPpp: okay thank you =)
[23:05] iammerrick: AvianFlu: Certainly seems the most like Notepad++
[23:06] AvianFlu: yeah, I'd agree with that too
[23:06] mscdex: TruPpp: i use gedit on linux and notepad++ on windows
[23:06] jesusabdullah: tbh, I use gedit mostly
[23:06] mscdex: there are a few things missing in gedit coming from notepad++, but it's pretty good nonetheless
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[23:06] jesusabdullah: I don't need a ton of features
[23:06] insin: just show me where to type the codes!
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[23:07] jesusabdullah: I do all my development with the github gister.
[23:08] TruPpp: :D
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[23:13] DanceNode: Node.js don't love XML? :<
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[23:13] jesusabdullah: Speaking of xml
[23:13] jesusabdullah: is there a good way to view xml as a tree? I, erm
[23:13] jesusabdullah: hate reading raw xml :(
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[23:14] jesusabdullah: DanceNode: I appreciate xml but I prefer representing my data as json
[23:14] DanceNode: Why jesusabdullah?
[23:14] jesusabdullah: I can read it XD
[23:14] jesusabdullah: Also, I tend to think in terms of objects and arrays *anyway* so it fits my mental model really well
[23:15] DanceNode: Smart.
[23:16] micheil: isaacs: ftr, I have currently "reserved" the websocket-protocol module name on npm as this module isn't yet published, but is coming in the next 5 days.
[23:16] jesusabdullah: http://olive.koteako.com:3838/ Friend built this with node
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[23:20] jmoyers: hmm, building node on lion fails prior to v0.5.0
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[23:20] jmoyers: are the fixes trivial enough to be able to back port to stable?
[23:21] DanceNode: 
ACTION likes to dance while he codes in node.

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[23:25] tmzt: micheil: will you be supporting multiple version of websocket? including the older ones (whatwg etc.)?
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[23:30] micheil: tmzt: yes
[23:30] micheil: back later.
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[23:31] maushu: Hmm can't find the Diffie-Hellman Key Exchange Init (30) package description.
[23:32] tktiddle: I'm getting a string of errors with my app, im using socket.io :
[23:32] tktiddle: info  - unhandled socket.io url
[23:32] tktiddle:    warn  - unknown transport: "undefined"
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[23:34] tktiddle: heres the code: http://pastie.org/2383191
[23:34] tktiddle: what do these errors mean?
[23:35] tktiddle: Is it possibleto run node.js in eclipse and use breakpoint debugging? 
[23:36] craigbarnes: well it can use v8's nice debugging utils
[23:36] craigbarnes: but I don't know if anyone has integrated it with Eclipse
[23:36] konobi: tktiddle: yes... there's guides online... google for it
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[23:39] tktiddle: cool found it
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[23:44] maushu: This... this doesn't make sense!
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[23:44] maushu: If the client asks for 4096 bits (512 bytes), why is the server returning 513?! WHY?!
[23:45] jesusabdullah: It's trying to give you a bakers dozen
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[23:49] DanceNode: if (condition) return; doSomethingThatDependsOnConditionBeingFalse();
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[23:49] DanceNode: It's okay to not have else on the second line, right?
[23:49] jesusabdullah: umm
[23:50] jesusabdullah: In terms of style I'd just do
[23:50] jesusabdullah: if (!cond) { doThing(); }
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[23:50] jesusabdullah: or, if (cond) { return; } else { doThing(); }
[23:50] jesusabdullah: ie, bracket it up dawg
[23:51] DanceNode: jesusabdullah: Agreed, that's what I ended up doing :p
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[23:52] CIA-65: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07tcp_perf * r084f681 10/ Makefile : 
[23:52] CIA-65: libuv: build: fix build on systems where `ld --as-needed` is the default
[23:52] CIA-65: libuv: Fixes unresolved symbol linker errors from -lm and -lrt. - http://bit.ly/oT9NyT
[23:52] CIA-65: libuv: 03Igor Zinkovsky 07tcp_perf * rd763581 10/ (4 files): Skip IOCP for tcp operations that complete synchronously - http://bit.ly/nd3IsB
[23:53] maushu: dafuq
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[23:53] jesusabdullah: Word.
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[23:54] jMCg: Hey folks o/~
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[23:54] jMCg: Running make test on git-trunk currently fails: http://dpaste.com/596059/ (Not sure if it ever was supposed to run through, but here you go anyway :)
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[23:57] maushu: Well, this explains why sshd caches the keys.
[23:57] maushu: It takes ages to generate one.
[23:57] maushu: Especially 4096.
[23:58] maushu: ...and I still haven't found the package description for the key exchange.
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[23:59] maushu: Might be this though: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4419
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