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[00:09] visnup: isaacs: how goes the no.de stuff?
[00:09] visnup: isaacs: do you hate me yet?
[00:10] isaacs: i could never hate you.
[00:10] visnup: dshaw half-hates me now. created more work for him too. :)
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[00:11] visnup: isaacs: did emily tell you yet that we want _two_ blog posts from you?
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[00:22] quackquack: how can i redirect http requests to https on the same port?
[00:22] quackquack: (using expressjs)
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[00:29] tylergillies_: whats the best way to do var fo = { someVar: "somevalue" } where someVar is an actual variable?
[00:29] tylergillies_: or do i have to do fo[someVar]?
[00:29] tbranyen: fo[someVar]
[00:30] tbranyen: tylergillies_: or you can use Object.defineProperty
[00:30] tbranyen: but urgh
[00:30] tbranyen: just do hash notation
[00:30] tylergillies_: ok
[00:30] tylergillies_: thnx
[00:30] tbranyen: np
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[00:42] tprice: is there a better way to do "hasOwnProperty" or should i keep using it?
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[00:43] systemfault: tprice: Depends why you use it
[00:44] systemfault: If you want to iterate on an object's properties Object.keys(theObject) will give you all its "own properties"
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[00:46] tprice: i want to test the for a property in an object. i could to value in obj or obj[value] or obj.hasOwnProperty(value)
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[00:46] tprice: i use the hasOwnProperty every time but just wondering if there is a safer way of doing it
[00:46] tbranyen: value is a misnomer there
[00:46] tbranyen: you mean key
[00:46] Crshman: hey all, so I have a server daemon running and all is right in the world....but I want to write a cli interface to grab/set parameters for that running daemon
[00:46] tbranyen: in which you could do key in obj
[00:46] Crshman: what's the best way to go about that?
[00:47] tprice: lol yeah key
[00:47] mscdex: Crshman: repl?
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[00:47] mscdex: Crshman: or something like ncurses? :-D
[00:47] Crshman: nothing that complex haha
[00:48] Crshman: well it would be something like $ proxy --add-backend="new backend"
[00:48] Crshman: or $proxy --list-backends
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[00:48] Crshman: right now the app stores all of it's runtime configs in ram
[00:49] SubStack: Crshman: you could have a control service that listens on a port for commands
[00:49] SubStack: easy to do with dnode too
[00:49] tprice: tbranyen> so i should use key in obj?
[00:49] Crshman: hmm
[00:49] Crshman: yeah that's an idea, didn't think of that one
[00:51] tbranyen: tprice: you can use whatever you want
[00:51] tbranyen: thats just another option
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[00:54] tprice: whats best practice when it comes to it is what im asking.
[00:54] misterm: tprice: those options are all slightly distinct, so you would use the one appropriate for what you  need
[00:55] misterm: tprice: 
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[00:55] misterm: "in" just checks for the existence of the key...it could be a prototype property, hasOwnProperty check's, as you might imagine, only own properties
[00:56] misterm: doing obj[propname] is useful if you need to check the actual value
[00:57] misterm: I'd also note that the former check for the actual existence of the property, while the last doesn't
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[00:57] tprice: misterm> thanks hasOwnProperty is what im looking for
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[01:03] dodger_: stupid question but when is the async version of a script better than a sync version other than for explicit multi threaded handling?
[01:03] dodger_: whati mean i i notice there are 2 sets of calls in the api, function X and function Xsync
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[01:05] AAA_awright: dodger_: The sync versions are provided for use at startup only, you don't want to call them at runtime
[01:05] clifton: its always better unless you're loading config files and dont want your whole app in a callback
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[01:05] clifton: ^
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[01:05] AAA_awright: post-startup runtime I guess
[01:05] AAA_awright: dodger_: There's only a single thread, too
[01:06] AAA_awright: Node.js is evented not threaded
[01:06] cconstantine_: does anyone have emacs syntax highlighting for ejs?
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[01:10] quackquack: how can i redirect http requests to https w/ expressjs?
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[01:14] CIA-65: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r5899192 10/ src/eio/config_linux.h : eio: fix HAVE_SYNC_FILE_RANGE heuristic on linux - http://bit.ly/nvcmSf
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[01:16] SubStack: quackquack: try this:
[01:16] SubStack: http.createServer(function (req, res) { res.code = 301; res.setHeader('location', 'https://' + req.headers.host + req.url); res.end() }).listen(80)
[01:17] AAA_awright: req.headers.host isn't guarenteed to be defined, may want to add a default domain there
[01:17] SubStack: s/code/statusCode/
[01:18] quackquack: ty SubStack!
[01:18] AAA_awright: http.createServer(function (req, res) { res.statusCode = 301; res.setHeader('location', 'https://' + (req.headers.host||"example.com") + req.url); res.end() }).listen(80)
[01:18] SubStack: oh yeah also if you're running the server on a non-80 port you'll want to scrub out the port from the req.headers.host
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[01:19] AAA_awright: I didn't know it provides the port number to Host:
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[01:20] AAA_awright: Huh guess it does
[01:21] AAA_awright: SubStack: And unfortunately because the IETF became brain-dead sometime around writing the ipv6 spec you have to parse it for square brackets too
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[01:24] AvianFlu: !insult Oohaboogersbaked
[01:24] AvianFlu: lol oops wrong channel
[01:25] jesusabdullah: :D
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[01:26] dodger_: AAA_awright: gotcha, so lets just say i'm using node.js to automate some tasks (like just regular shell scripting stuff) - i probbaly want to be using the sync versions of the api to cut down on the time wait, right?
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[01:26] AvianFlu: dodger_: that's a bad way to think about it
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[01:27] AAA_awright: dodger_: There's no wait, the difference is the sync versions are blocking, nothing else will be executed while they are
[01:27] AvianFlu: synchronous means that your process will wait until the sync operation is complete
[01:27] AvianFlu: asynchronous means that your process is free to execute other JS until the callback comes back
[01:27] AvianFlu: so if you have a bunch of stuff to do at once, asynchronous will take less time
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[01:44] fr33think3r: I'm getting this error "An error has occurred: {"stack":"Error: ECONNREFUSED, Connection refused\n    at Socket._onConnect (net.js:601:18)\n    at IOWatcher.onWritable [as callback] (net.js:186:12)","message":"ECONNREFUSED, Connection refused","errno":111,"code":"ECONNREFUSED","syscall":"connect"}" when I'm trying to run an application on nodester
[01:44] fr33think3r: earlier i was trying to listen for socket.io requests on a different port and http on a different port
[01:44] fr33think3r: i thought that was causing the error
[01:45] fr33think3r: but I changed that so that both would listen on the port assigned by nodester
[01:45] fr33think3r: but i still get the same error
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[01:54] fr33think3r: well figured it out, i was missing a module 'redis'
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[02:10] R4md4c: What is better do I create a new sqlite handle for each request or use the same sqlite handle for any requests ? (Using sqlite-node) 
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[02:12] CIA-65: node: 03Thomas Shinnick 07master * ra5d90c4 10/ lib/path.js : (log message trimmed)
[02:12] CIA-65: node: path.js: correct three harmless .length typos
[02:12] CIA-65: node: lib/path.js routines normalizeArray() and resolve() have for loops that
[02:12] CIA-65: node: count down from end of an array. The loop indexes are initialized using
[02:12] CIA-65: node: "array.length" rather than "array.length-1". The initial array element
[02:12] CIA-65: node: accessed is always beyond the end of array and the value is 'undefined'.
[02:12] CIA-65: node: Strangely, code exists that acts to ignore undefined values so that the
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[03:21] CIA-65: node: 03Peter Bright 07master * r16788f4 10/ (14 files in 8 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[03:21] CIA-65: node: Rename gyp files to produce useful solution names.
[03:21] CIA-65: node: Hoist common settings into common.gypi.
[03:21] CIA-65: node: Restrict v8's common.gypi to v8 projects.
[03:21] CIA-65: node: Ensure v8 doesn't use /MP in debug builds.
[03:21] CIA-65: node: Add basic settings for other platforms.
[03:21] CIA-65: node: Make uv import common.gypi properly.
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[03:27] CIA-65: libuv: 03Peter Bright 07master * r2942f5a 10/ (common.gypi gyp_uv all.gyp deps/pthread-win32/build/all.gyp): GYP upates - http://bit.ly/nHdasz
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[03:29] CIA-65: libuv: 03Ryan Dahl 07pound-fixes * r99abfd3 10/ (test/benchmark-pound.c test/echo-server.c): Improve pound benchmark by reconnecting in close_cb - http://bit.ly/ruurA2
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[03:42] mscdex: SubStack: what were you planning on doing with that ANSI stuff the other day?
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[03:46] AvianFlu_: mscdex: he made http://github.com/substack/node-charm
[03:46] AvianFlu_: I, for one, approve
[03:47] SubStack: it works over http
[03:47] SubStack: that's what I'm concerned about right now
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[03:47] Guest82260: if I wanna install npm as a user rather than root, what's the easiest way to do that ?
[03:47] SubStack: mscdex: next up is progress bars
[03:48] SubStack: but multiple progress bars at once
[03:48] isaacs: Guest18468: sure.
[03:48] isaacs: SubStack: Do that! <3
[03:48] isaacs: SubStack: i need this for npm.
[03:48] SubStack: yes sir
[03:48] isaacs: SubStack: i want to have every download managed with a nice little stack of progress bars.
[03:48] SubStack: isaacs: turns out, ansi codes are wicked simple
[03:48] AvianFlu_: SubStack: I was totally picturing npm doing that but can't execute such a thing!
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[03:48] isaacs: SubStack: yeah
[03:48] SubStack: and the problem that ncurses solves doesn't really exist anymore
[03:49] SubStack: that being terminal incompatibility
[03:49] SubStack: since ansi won like 20 years ago
[03:49] AvianFlu_: 2011 ftw
[03:49] isaacs: Guest18468: sure.  just install node in a place that isn't root-owned (like ~/local or something) or specifically set that as your `prefix` config in ~/.npmrc
[03:49] isaacs: Guest18468: npm help config, search for "prefix"
[03:49] SubStack: 25 years ago really
[03:49] SubStack: once BBSes took off
[03:50] Ned_: isaacs: yeah, the prefix is the bit I was failing at I think
[03:50] isaacs: SubStack: does ncurses support Windows?
[03:50] SubStack: no idea
[03:50] isaacs: SubStack: i think the windows cli is not ansi
[03:50] SubStack: but plenty of windows programs support vt100 and/or ansi
[03:50] isaacs: SubStack: cmd.exe
[03:50] tbranyen: use something like mintty?
[03:51] jesusabdullah: is there a native windows cli curl?
[03:51] jesusabdullah: or curl-like tool?
[03:51] mscdex: there's wget for windows
[03:51] mscdex: heh
[03:51] Ned_: isaacs: okay, it's claiming my prefix dir doesn't exist ... but it just created it :_(
[03:51] AvianFlu_: I was just gonna say that, I've used wget for windows
[03:51] jesusabdullah: huh
[03:51] SubStack: isaacs: cmd.exe /A does I guess?
[03:52] SubStack: looking at http://ss64.com/nt/cmd.html
[03:52] Ned_: ah ha
[03:52] Ned_: okay, a rampage-style removing of all the old cruft I could find seems to have fixed it
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[03:52] AvianFlu_: rampage...
[03:53] AvianFlu_: someone needs to re-make that game
[03:53] Ned_: heh
[03:53] mscdex: i remember playing that game on the Amiga
[03:54] mscdex: good times
[03:54] AvianFlu_: NES for me
[03:54] mscdex: SubStack: awesome, i was going to write something like node-charm if you hadn't already
[03:54] mscdex: SubStack: how far are you planning on expanding this module?
[03:55] SubStack: mscdex: not very far, only enough to do what I need it to do
[03:55] mscdex: SubStack: i might write a windowing layer for it
[03:55] mscdex: :-D
[03:55] SubStack: yeah that would be cool
[03:55] SubStack: as a separate module using charm would be a good way to do it
[03:55] SubStack: lots of ways to do windowing
[03:56] mscdex: yeah ideally i'd like to have a shim over node-charm to match the node-ncurses api
[03:56] SubStack: basic ansi is really simple, it only took me a few hours to get everything working
[03:56] SubStack: that would be nifty
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[03:58] mscdex: someone contacted me today about getting their node-ncurses-based game over tcp and since ncurses only deals directly with terminals, having a compatible api for something that can do the same thing over the network would be awesome
[03:58] AvianFlu_: that would be pretty sweet
[03:58] SubStack: just require('charm')(stream)
[03:59] SubStack: works with http even
[03:59] SubStack: the response object
[03:59] mscdex: yeah
[03:59] AvianFlu_: streams FTFW
[03:59] SubStack: of course you can only query the cursor position if you provide a readable stream
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[04:00] SubStack: but it works with just a writable stream
[04:02] mscdex: right
[04:02] AvianFlu_: I'm totally gonna use it to improve the cli clients for hookio/irc and hookio/twitter
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[04:16] SubStack: I want node to have tell
[04:16] SubStack: would make this so much easier
[04:16] AvianFlu: I'm not familiar with `tell`
[04:17] SubStack: man ftell
[04:17] SubStack: also perldoc -f tell
[04:17] SubStack: The  ftell()  function obtains the current value of the file position indicator for the stream pointed to by stream.
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[04:18] AvianFlu: I could have sworn I saw something like that in the fs docs
[04:19] SubStack: seems like something {Read,Writ}able streams should have
[04:19] AvianFlu: yeah, no
[04:19] AvianFlu: I agree, but I was wrong about the docs
[04:21] SubStack: maybe fstat could return the file pos
[04:21] AvianFlu: sounds like time to open a node issue to me
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[04:21] SubStack: it could even be a function, that'd be fine
[04:21] SubStack: AvianFlu: mind filing it on my behalf?
[04:21] SubStack: I got some modules to write yo
[04:21] AvianFlu: I'm down
[04:21] SubStack: rawk
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[04:22] Ned_: isaacs: so err, if I specify my own prefix
[04:22] Ned_: is there an easy way to specify an alternate bin location ?
[04:24] SubStack: AvianFlu: so I'm not sure where tell() should be, I just want it :p
[04:25] AvianFlu: I'd vote stream method, but I'm gonna make it an open-ended feature request
[04:25] SubStack: sounds good
[04:25] SubStack: it could be just a pos attribute too depending
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[04:37] isaacs: Ned_: the bin location is prefix/bin
[04:38] isaacs: Ned_:at least, the global bin location
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[04:39] Ned_: right
[04:39] Ned_: I was curious if you could override it
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[04:39] Ned_: it's okay, I just added the bin location to my path ...
[04:39] Ned_: :-)
[04:46] tylergillies_: its ironic that javascript object notation you need " around everything, yet in javascript, to make an object you can do {foo:"bar"}
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[04:46] progrock: hmm, so whats the defense to the old "you can't extensively automate testing of a program made in a dynamic typed, mutable, non compiledd language as compared to static typed, non mutable, compiled langauge?"
[04:46] SubStack: why is that ironic?
[04:46] progrock: just asking since my coworkers are all scala developers, while I'm the front end javascript developer
[04:46] tylergillies_: because it gets its name from javascript, but in javascript you don't have to do that, hence, irony
[04:47] SubStack: but you can do that in javascript
[04:47] SubStack: in fact you must for some keys like "function"
[04:47] SubStack: or anything with spaces
[04:47] tylergillies_: yeah, but you don't have to, whereas in json you do
[04:47] aho: the quotes were made mandatory to make it simpler
[04:47] SubStack: or any other sort of punctuation
[04:47] progrock: tylergillies_: in fact, I think peoples usually conside it good standard to put quotes around keys
[04:47] aho: (reserved words)
[04:47] tylergillies_: im not saying its wrong
[04:47] tylergillies_: im just saying there is some irony
[04:47] SubStack: special cases for barewords aren't a very good thing to bake into a data exchange format
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[04:48] SubStack: it's just a subset of javascript
[04:48] tylergillies_: irony == good imho
[04:48] SubStack: makes sense to me
[04:48] progrock: tylergillies_: again, not really.. JSON is not just for javascript... definitely easier for it to be universally used usin the quotes
[04:49] aho: iirc es5 (5.1?) actually fixed that
[04:49] aho: you can use reserved words w/o quotes there
[04:50] tylergillies_: regardless of if its used solely for javascript or not, its ironic. http://chzb.gr/bSj5xt
[04:51] progrock: ehh, i dont find it to be
[04:51] progrock: in javascript you can define functions, in json you cant... thats not ironic to me either... it makes complete sense
[04:52] progrock: a javascript object and a json object are 2 different data types
[04:52] tbranyen: well unless you do what couch does, and stores them as strings
[04:52] tbranyen: but yeah they are still strings, not functions
[04:52] progrock: exactly
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[04:52] progrock: but again, makes sense, lol.. wold be fucking retarded if they tried to make some universal way to define code in json
[04:53] progrock: lol... way beyond the 1 paragraph explanation of everything in JSON
[04:53] devrim: does anyone point me to a good html encoder for nodes ?
[04:53] devrim: *nodejs
[04:53] tylergillies_: how does something being ironic automatically mean it doesn't make sense?
[04:53] devrim: *can
[04:54] AAA_awright: tbranyen: Ironic implies a reverse of what you expected... JSON is just a subset of Javascript, {"foo":"bar"} is perfectly a valid Javascript expression
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[04:55] AAA_awright: v8: {"foo":"bar"}
[04:55] v8bot_: AAA_awright: SyntaxError: Unexpected token :
[04:55] AAA_awright: damnit
[04:55] AAA_awright: Not helping my case here, v8bot_
[04:55] tbranyen: AAA_awright: why you telling me that?
[04:55] progrock: tbranyen: probably wrong name by accident
[04:56] AAA_awright: tbranyen: I have no clue, tab-completion error
[04:56] tbranyen: i'm flattered never-the-lesss
[04:56] AAA_awright: v8: ({"foo":"bar"});
[04:56] v8bot_: AAA_awright: {"foo": "bar"}
[04:56] AAA_awright: v8: {"foo":"bar"};
[04:56] v8bot_: AAA_awright: SyntaxError: Unexpected token :
[04:56] AAA_awright: hmm
[04:56] progrock: on the otherhand tylergillies_ , yeah, ironic tings are more oe less usually opposites combined.. or close to... thatsnot even close
[04:57] tylergillies_: opposites combined i would more attribute to the word "oxymoron"
[04:57] tylergillies_: (which literally means sharp/dull)
[04:57] progrock: Noun: The expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.
[04:58] progrock: I guess combinednot the right wording
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[05:00] progrock: so, which mongo driver should I likely use for node?.. just noticed one o my favorite JS developers forked node-mongodb-native... tho I gotta see why he forked it
[05:04] tbranyen: because its good
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[05:05] progrock: while I suppose I see my coworkers reasoning on using scala for our platforms backend, for the 'ease' of exhaustive testing of all the calculations, etc.... I'm kinda liking the whole no context switching with using Javasrcript for my fontend, server side, and even database... in other words.. model, view, and controller
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[05:10] progrock: Tho, I'm also dying to mess around with Hakyll.. which is a haskell framework for creating a static website... I coul dliterall y host 99.9999 % of the site on a CDN, andprobably scale to Million+ request/hour on a 256mb vps running nginx, and serving ust the minimal index.html
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[05:11] bentkus: engine engine number nine
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[05:11] progrock: probably the easiest/quickest (potentially cheapest) way to set up a HA site in minutes
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[05:29] zanes: Anyone familiar with zappa? 
[05:29] systemfault: Frank?
[05:29] systemfault: :/
[05:29] zanes: In his honor: https://github.com/mauricemach/zappa
[05:31] systemfault: Looks nice, thanks for showing :)
[05:32] zanes: Haha. Don't get too excited. I can't get some of the examples working. 
[05:32] zanes: Was wondering whether it was just me. 
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[05:56] CIA-65: libuv: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * re89f54e 10/ (deps/pthread-win32/pthread-win32.gyp uv.gyp): Add forgotten gyp files - http://bit.ly/pj25ql
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[07:52] chrisbjr: loving node.js with express :)
[08:02] systemfault: s/with express//g
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[08:31] fille: hallo
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[08:44] Marak: anyone know an easy way to "force" the writing of a file regardless of directory existence. as in, i want to create /foo/beep/bird/boop.txt and if any of those dirs dont exist, just create them
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[08:48] jesusabdullah: I used mkdirp the other day
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[08:52] Marak: is that what that does
[08:53] Marak: lol dammit
[08:53] Marak: im an idiot
[08:53] Marak: https://github.com/substack/node-mkdirp
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[08:56] Marak: jesusabdullah: looks like no sync API for make derp, should add that using fs.mkdirSync
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[09:07] Marak: https://raw.github.com/gist/1144603/4be46cfd342754d66b7c37b62f155c2cc91191d7/mkdirp-sync.patch
[09:07] Marak: there it is
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[09:24] blueadept: anyone know how i can insert this redirect into the router statement? http://pastie.org/private/jfdtwxl5es2y80a4wjrhpw
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[09:27] Nuck: I think tomorrow
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[09:27] Nuck: I'm gonna add oAuth 2 to my API stuff
[09:27] Nuck: :B
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[09:45] lng: hi! I thougt this script should reuse DB connection, but it doesn't: http://pastie.org/private/nypk66gfhgladyia2yjma
[09:45] lng: I used ad tool 
[09:46] lng: and the number concurrent request were issued was equal the number connections in PROCESS LIST statement
[09:46] lng: why?
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[09:59] icebox: lng: http://groups.google.com/group/nodejs/browse_thread/thread/04c24f5b9e7ae260?fwc=1
[10:00] lng: icebox: thanks!
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[10:09] blueadept: anyone know how to pass an array to connect ? http://pastie.org/private/r6rjctvgjn7ztevjqalrma
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[10:19] lng: icebox: how can I get resultset with node-pool?
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[11:16] Tom: Inside an express route, why does res.socket.on('end') or 'close' never emit? I am trying to figure out when the http connection ended.
[11:17] SubStack: try req.connection
[11:19] Tom: SubStack: great, that works. Though I am confused about the difference
[11:19] Tom: Thanks a lot
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[11:22] SubStack: I have no idea either
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[11:36] damiano: hello
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[11:37] blueadept: sup
[11:38] damiano: i have a problem with Express..... i have the "index" page(visible to the user) and the login (that check if the user exists) if the user doesnt exists i have to print an error (but i want to print that error to "index" not to "login" page, because it doesnt show nothing.
[11:38] damiano: how can i do it?
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[11:41] blueadept: you want to print an error that the users does not exist?
[11:41] blueadept: on the index page?
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[11:42] damiano: yes
[11:42] damiano: exactly
[11:42] damiano: this /login page is called from a FORM
[11:43] damiano: <form action='/login' method='post'>
[11:43] damiano: only to check if the user exists
[11:43] blueadept: the way i notify improper logins is within my User.authenticate function i have an if else, where if the user goes though, i set the session and redirect, if it fails, i render a specific page which also passes req.flash that shows up with the message "login failed"
[11:44] blueadept: so that's one way of doing it
[11:44] blueadept: actually i dont pass req.flash, i just set it
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[11:46] damiano: yes
[11:46] damiano: i redirect if the login is ok
[11:46] damiano: but if i do
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[11:46] damiano: res.render('index')
[11:47] blueadept: right
[11:47] damiano: i will have the same page at / and /login
[11:47] damiano: it's not very good
[11:47] damiano: i would like to render a page in that, i mean: 1. redirect 2. render the page automatically
[11:47] blueadept: well the key is to make sure you set req.flash to req.flash('warn', 'Login Failed')
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[11:48] blueadept: and on the page you render, set up a  - if (flash.warn)   p#warn = flash.warn
[11:48] damiano: wiat
[11:48] damiano: quat req.flash does ?
[11:48] damiano: what
[11:48] blueadept: it will handle the message you want to preset on that page
[11:49] damiano: write the text on a cookie ?
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[11:51] blueadept: http://pastie.org/private/xdga78ybt2lvyrpq2fbcw
[11:52] blueadept: this is sort of a rough way of how i have my apps setup
[11:52] damiano: i see
[11:55] damiano: blueadept, res.render('sessions/new', {redir: req.body.redir})   it rend the page
[11:55] damiano: what is the redir: 
[11:55] damiano: ?
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[11:57] blueadept: hm, perhaps i dont need that in there, but i think it has something to do with redirected pages
[11:57] blueadept: you can ignore that i think
[11:57] damiano: hmmm...as far i have understand
[11:58] damiano: you have the message with .flash
[11:58] damiano: and then render the page..
[11:58] damiano: but if you render the page there you are in /sessions
[11:58] damiano: is the wrong page
[11:58] damiano: so i think that "redir:" it mean that it has to render the page and make a redirect 301
[11:58] damiano: automatically
[11:58] damiano: no?
[11:59] blueadept: ha i honestly forget 
[11:59] blueadept: i think it might be there by mistake
[11:59] damiano: k
[11:59] blueadept: i think it's an artifact
[12:00] blueadept: dont mind that
[12:00] damiano: but in this case
[12:00] damiano: you render the page
[12:00] damiano: on /session
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[12:00] damiano: so why use .flash() ?
[12:00] damiano: you just can do
[12:00] damiano: res.render('sesssion', {error: 'Wrong login'});
[12:00] blueadept: yep
[12:00] damiano: why did you use flash() ?
[12:01] blueadept: i think it was just a way of organizing it
[12:01] blueadept: you could also do err: 'msg'
[12:01] damiano: ok, but to resolve my problem, how could i show a message to render in a different page ?
[12:01] damiano: y
[12:02] blueadept: what message are you trying to specifically show and on what pages?
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[12:03] damiano: "access denied"
[12:03] damiano: or
[12:03] damiano: "email and password are not correct"
[12:03] damiano: messages like those
[12:03] blueadept: well email and password are not correctly only needs to render on which ever page you render on a false login
[12:03] blueadept: for access denied
[12:04] blueadept: that's something different 
[12:04] blueadept: let me look at something
[12:04] blueadept: ok yeah, you want to pass in a function into all app.get arguments
[12:04] blueadept: that checks the session
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[12:05] damiano: example.com?error=text
[12:05] damiano: ?
[12:05] damiano: hmmm
[12:05] damiano: i don't like it
[12:05] damiano: the problem is that i don't hav e alogin page
[12:05] damiano: i have a form on index
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[12:05] damiano: with action='/login'
[12:05] blueadept: http://pastie.org/private/xdga78ybt2lvyrpq2fbcw
[12:05] blueadept: you want something like this
[12:06] damiano: i see
[12:06] blueadept: where you have an anon function that checks the session, and either continues forward, or stops the request and redirects to a new page 
[12:06] damiano: yes
[12:06] damiano: i have that function
[12:06] damiano: but
[12:06] damiano: that function only check if the session ahs been created
[12:06] damiano: and stop
[12:07] damiano: i need to print an error
[12:07] damiano: if the user write wrong credentials
[12:07] damiano: so, this middleware to check if it is logged, 
[12:07] damiano: yes i have it
[12:07] damiano: but BEFORE it
[12:07] damiano: i have to show to the user if the login gone well
[12:07] blueadept: why so?
[12:08] damiano: ?
[12:08] blueadept: if they login, then they login and they see a page which indicates they are logged in, if they can't login, they see a page which indicates the reason for their login failure
[12:08] damiano: i have
[12:08] damiano: yes
[12:08] damiano: you are right
[12:08] blueadept: if they aren't logged in, they get redirected to a page indicated they arne't logged in
[12:08] damiano: i think we are telling the same things
[12:08] damiano: :D
[12:08] damiano: but
[12:08] blueadept: ha
[12:08] damiano: there is one problem
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[12:09] damiano: becuase when you say :"a page which indicates the reason for their login failure"
[12:09] damiano: this page has to be the index
[12:09] damiano: becase there the user see the previos email/password
[12:09] damiano: change it
[12:09] damiano: and do the login again
[12:09] blueadept: ok, so res.render('index', error: 'login failure') right?
[12:09] damiano: i don't want to show a page with an error...because
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[12:10] blueadept: and in the index do a - if (error) p#error= error
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[12:10] damiano: if i do that...the login, has to move to the home page again, write the login again...and then press the login button
[12:10] damiano: yes
[12:10] damiano: exactly
[12:10] damiano:  res.render('index', error: 'login failure') <------
[12:10] damiano: yes
[12:10] blueadept: yeah that works
[12:10] damiano: but if i do that...it renders the page at
[12:10] damiano:  /login
[12:11] damiano: example.com/login
[12:11] damiano: so example.com and exmaple.com/login
[12:11] blueadept: so when any users goes to example.com/ it automatically goes to example.com/login ?
[12:11] damiano: are the same because i render the same view
[12:11] blueadept: oh
[12:11] blueadept: i'd split the views up
[12:11] damiano: no no
[12:11] damiano: there is
[12:11] damiano: example.com
[12:11] damiano: with a form that has the action to '/login'
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[12:12] blueadept: ok
[12:12] damiano: this 'login' is not a page...it only check if the credentials are good or not
[12:12] damiano: and then redirect the user if are good
[12:12] blueadept: i'm confused :/
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[12:12] damiano: or show a message if not... but this message has to be on the index page not /login
[12:12] damiano: maybe my fucking english :D
[12:13] blueadept: where you from?
[12:13] damiano: italy
[12:13] damiano: u?
[12:13] blueadept: us
[12:13] blueadept: cool, no your english is good, i think your issue is just oragnizing how you want this all to be setup
[12:13] blueadept: keep hacking at it 
[12:14] damiano: blueadept, the problem (i think) that i can check the form on the same page
[12:14] damiano: no ?
[12:14] damiano: <form action='' method='post'>
[12:14] damiano: i created a /login page only to check the POST requests
[12:16] blueadept: so you want the form to check the details and not reder or redirect, but show if the message worked or not on the /login page?
[12:17] blueadept: that would take some ajax code
[12:17] damiano: blueadept, good idea
[12:17] blueadept: i use something called nowjs to handle that sort of stuff
[12:17] damiano: i can check the credentials with ajax
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[12:18] damiano: but if i check email/password using ajax, then, can i do a redirect if are good?
[12:18] blueadept: yeah
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[12:18] damiano: hmm interesting
[12:18] blueadept: actually i want to do something like wehat you're talking about
[12:19] damiano: nowjs use socket.io if i'm not wrong
[12:19] blueadept: i just haven't had time to fool around, what i have setup now works
[12:19] blueadept: yes
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[12:19] damiano: i think we could just send an ajax request with jquery
[12:19] damiano: without open socket
[12:19] damiano: no?
[12:19] blueadept: right
[12:19] blueadept: yeah
[12:19] damiano: k
[12:20] blueadept: i'm starting to move all mystuff to nowjs anyway
[12:20] blueadept: but it could work either way
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[12:20] damiano: why not socket.io directly?
[12:20] blueadept: less verbose
[12:21] damiano: k
[12:22] damiano: blueadept, maybe a bit slower then socket.io ?
[12:22] blueadept: i haven't really looked at any benchmarks, but if there is any difference, i can't tell
[12:23] damiano: k
[12:23] damiano: maybe we are talking about 1 ms :-D
[12:23] damiano: ahahah
[12:24] damiano: no difference
[12:24] blueadept: yeah it has to be very minute
[12:24] blueadept: if not at all
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[12:25] damiano: yes
[12:25] damiano: blueadept, i can check ajax request with req.xhr right ?
[12:26] blueadept: i think so
[12:26] damiano: k
[12:26] blueadept: i juse use nowjs for everything 
[12:27] blueadept: i dont even know anymore
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[12:28] damiano: k
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[12:29] blueadept: brb
[12:29] blueadept: good luck
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[12:30] damiano: you too
[12:30] damiano: :)
[12:30] damiano: thank you!
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[12:56] vdemedes: Hello!
[12:57] vdemedes: How to listen on port 80 without using sudo?
[12:57] vdemedes: I know that sudo is needed when listening on port < 1024, but still
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[12:57] vdemedes: when I run my app without sudo, it throws EACCESS: Permission denied
[12:57] vdemedes: HTTPServer._doListen
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[12:58] vdemedes: how to fix this without any port forwarding or proxy?
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[13:07] vdemedes: anyone?
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[13:10] nodokodo: vdemedes: run as root, proxy, forward & perhaps authbind are your only options - why?
[13:10] vdemedes: nodokodo: but how does `rails s` listen to port 80 without sudo?
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[13:11] nodokodo: it doesnt
[13:11] nodokodo: connections are proxied to backends
[13:12] nodokodo: same thing
[13:12] nodokodo: why cant you do any of the above?
[13:12] vdemedes: nodokodo: when you run `rails s` it runs Rails app and server
[13:12] vdemedes: nodokodo: and does not require sudo
[13:13] nodokodo: this is #node.js
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[13:13] nodokodo: havent touched rails in ages
[13:13] vdemedes: it's just an example
[13:13] nodokodo: thats not the way i remember it
[13:13] vdemedes: I don't ask you to help with rails
[13:13] nodokodo: so whats your point?
[13:13] vdemedes: ok, I got it
[13:14] nodokodo: theres nothing stopping you running ANYTHING on 80 except beinbg a non-privilged user
[13:14] vdemedes: yeah, I know
[13:14] nodokodo: so?
[13:14] vdemedes: I said "I got it"
[13:14] vdemedes: thank yuo
[13:14] vdemedes: you
[13:15] nodokodo: just trying to understand your issue
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[13:23] ggg: this might sound like obvious for some of you guys, but I keep getting CANT /myGetRequest, if I call /anotherGET, and then I call /myGetRequest, the error is gone, an it works properly.
[13:23] ggg: this is under express
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[13:26] ggg: the error is actually Cannot GET /url
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[13:30] ggg: found it, }); ws missing
[13:30] ggg: well rather, was misplaced
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[13:37] blueadept: anyone know the best way i can load dynamic router options here? http://pastie.org/private/wb4j20zcr5klhvyyx0gf4g
[13:37] damiano: hey
[13:37] damiano: :)
[13:37] damiano: back
[13:38] blueadept: yeah trying to build this proxy server with custom options
[13:38] damiano: is there a method like app.xhr()
[13:38] damiano: oh ok
[13:38] blueadept: i dont thikn so
[13:38] blueadept: there maybe though
[13:38] blueadept: you'd have to search the npm library
[13:38] damiano: npm ?
[13:39] damiano: i'm talking about express
[13:39] blueadept: no in express 
[13:39] blueadept: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/modules
[13:39] blueadept: one of these might though ^
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[13:43] damiano: blueadept, what is the url of jquery hosted by GOogle?
[13:44] blueadept: https://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.5.2/jquery.min.js
[13:44] damiano: thanks
[13:44] damiano: 1.5.2 is the latest?
[13:45] blueadept: not sure, but i remember updating it not to long ago, maybve a month ago maybe
[13:45] damiano: k
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[13:51] omar: I just installed node.js and npm on Ubuntu. The installed seemed to work fine. But npm gets hung when I try to install any package.
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[13:52] omar: anyone seen this before?
[13:52] TheJH: omar, I think so
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[13:53] omar: any fix for this?
[13:53] TheJH: omar, never seen it myself, but https://github.com/isaacs/npm/issues/1198#issuecomment-1750605
[13:55] omar: Thanks TheJH, I'll check it out.
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[13:57] random123: omar, try using sudo, you shouldnt have to but if you do then its a permission prob
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[14:00] ralphholzmann: heyo - I have an array of buffers that are being piped in through an event
[14:00] ralphholzmann: each buffer is a part of an entire file
[14:00] ralphholzmann: how do I take my array of buffers and make it a single buffer
[14:01] ralphholzmann: e.g. reconstruct the whole file
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[14:01] TheJH: ralphholzmann, add the lengths of all buffers, create a new buffer with that length and copy the chunks in it. there's probably an npm module for that
[14:02] TheJH: !npm search buffertools
[14:02] jhbot: package buffertools: Working with node.js buffers made easy.
[14:02] TheJH: ralphholzmann, buffertools.concat looks good
[14:02] ralphholzmann: ty TheJH
[14:02] ralphholzmann: sweet
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[14:07] TheJH: omar, are you "mmalecki" on github?
[14:07] tobiassjosten: I have just installed Node from GitHub and NPM from it's install.sh. It runs fine but when I try to install socket.io with it, nothing happens. It just sits there, like it's downloading the entire Internet. Any ideas what could be wrong?
[14:08] fille: try a stable release
[14:08] fille: use the 4.10
[14:09] fille: node.ks
[14:09] fille: node.js
[14:09] TheJH: tobiassjosten, could you try the same thing again, but with "--registry http://registry.npmjs.org/"?
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[14:10] tobiassjosten: TheJH: Hey, that worked! :)
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[14:10] TheJH: tobiassjosten, wow, cool!
[14:10] omar: random123, seems to be a problem with using https.
[14:10] tobiassjosten: TheJH: Did NPM change it's repo address or something? I'm not familiar with how all of this is setup.
[14:10] TheJH: tobiassjosten, no, but there seems to be a problem with https access for some people
[14:10] nf: how to run nodejs in windows xp without cygwin ?
[14:10] omar: TheJH, no I'm not mmalecki on github.
[14:11] tobiassjosten: TheJH: Ah. Thanks a lot anyway!
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[14:12] fille: så du ska köra node.js tobiassjosten
[14:13] CIA-65: node: 03koichik 07v0.4 * r4d186f2 10/ doc/api/buffers.markdown : 
[14:13] CIA-65: node: Docs: Not memcpy, but memmove
[14:13] CIA-65: node: Fixes #1520. - http://bit.ly/mXTRFH
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[14:45] jbrokc: anyone here use jade? for some reason in express it renders jade on a single line and i'm wondering if its possible to overwrite that
[14:46] tuhoojabotti: No.
[14:46] tuhoojabotti: You're the only one.
[14:46] indutny: yep
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[14:47] jbrokc: i can't seem to find the option in either express' or jade's readme
[14:48] TheJH: jbrokc, if you want to know what you can do with code, read its code :D
[14:48] TheJH: s/with code/with a module/
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[14:54] jbrokc: TheJH: i tried figuring it out but no dice. is it something to do with layout: false? https://gist.github.com/27166d96058d9e871980
[14:55] TheJH: jbrokc, I know nearly nothing about expres or jade, ask the rest of the channel :D
[14:55] jbrokc: bummer. can anyone help me prevent jade from compiling to only a single line when using it as expresses view engine? https://gist.github.com/27166d96058d9e871980
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[15:12] davidbanham: jbrokc: http://groups.google.com/group/express-js/browse_thread/thread/44406b587969cbed
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[15:15] jbrokc: davidbanham: thanks, but unfortunately it didn't work for me https://gist.github.com/450f028861ae9ddd954e
[15:15] jbrokc: jade version 0.13.0
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[15:16] davidbanham: I haven't played with Jade's options at all, the defaults have always worked fine for me. Would declaring pretty: true in view options be the way to go?
[15:16] davidbanham: jbrokc: Line 6 here: https://gist.github.com/27166d96058d9e871980
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[15:18] davidbanham: jbrokc: What's the thinking behind this? Any particular reason you don't want it all on one line?
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[15:18] jbrokc: davidbanham: ah! nice one - i didn't know it was a view option and not a render one
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[15:18] davidbanham: jbrokc: Ah, so it worked? Great.
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[15:19] jbrokc: i downloaded 0.14.0, the most recent version, and grep'd for "pretty" but turned up nothing
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[15:20] davidbanham: As I say, I've never touched the options of Jade. All I did was google for "express jade single line" then take guesses.
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[16:14] TheJH: !remember npm-hang If npm hangs, that's probably because of https. Try re-running it with `--registry http://registry.npmjs.org/`
[16:14] jhbot: saved definition of 'npm-hang'
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[16:19] jeromegn: anybody did some HTML find and replace with node.js? I'm getting a page's HTML but I'd like to modify it using selectors (if possible)
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[16:19] synkro: jeromegn()just load you html and jquery in a DOM 
[16:19] jeromegn: jsdom?
[16:19] synkro: yeah
[16:20] jeromegn: yea, I'm seeing that now
[16:20] jeromegn: wondering if it's lightweight enough, let's see!
[16:20] synkro: jeromegn() http://blog.nodejitsu.com/jsdom-jquery-in-5-lines-on-nodejs 
[16:20] synkro: easy as pie
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[16:29] jbrokc: anyone here have any experience with soda.js? i can't seem to get it to work using the following: https://gist.github.com/c4d0b03da174a5eee79c
[16:29] jbrokc: or selenium with node for that matter
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[16:34] tylergillies_: whats the best way to do a shallow copy of a var?
[16:34] tbranyen: tylergillies_: just loop over the properties and copy them to a new var?
[16:34] tylergillies_: does node use ES5?
[16:34] tbranyen: if its an array you can just do slice
[16:34] tbranyen: yes
[16:35] tylergillies_: wonder if Object.create would work
[16:35] tbranyen: yes it will
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[16:39] tylergillies_: thnx
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[16:41] odie5533: Anyone here use a doc generator?
[16:41] DrMcKay: TheJH: mmalecki here
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[16:53] hkjels: What is the most sane way of sharing modules to a routes file? I need app(express) & db(mongoose) to be available to the routes file
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[16:54] MooGoo: hmm I'm thinking of secretly writing a PHP webapp for work in node
[16:54] MooGoo: shud i doit
[16:54] jeromegn: would it be possible to interact pretty "deeply" with something like Xvfb spawned as a child process form node.js?
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[16:55] MooGoo: jeromegn: is stdout/in message passing deep?
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[16:56] jeromegn: hehe
[16:56] jeromegn: I guess sp!
[16:56] jeromegn: so
[16:56] jeromegn: need to do some testing :)
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[16:57] MooGoo: deep would be like hai i has ur variables nd ur memory
[16:57] MooGoo: that'd be nice
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[17:04] industrial: l
[17:04] industrial: I mean, hi!
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[17:06] tuhoojabotti: Hey!
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[17:08] industrial: Anyone use Mongoose? I still think that it's quite weird that all the examples on the site do new Schema({}) but when you want to be doing embedded documents yourself you need to do var p={}, PS=new Schema(p), P=mongoose.model('P', PS), c={p:p}, CS=new Schema(c), C=mongoose.model('C', CS);
[17:08] industrial: or it will error on you.
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[17:09] blueadept: could anyone tell me what the big difference is between either of these methods for looping through an object array? http://pastie.org/private/yyterpt2gdfygersiuchgq
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[17:10] industrial: blueadept: you could try each times 100000, see what happens
[17:11] industrial: blueadept: I dont know, by the way.
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[17:12] pr2012: anyone have a suggestion for how to terminate http requests that get stuck in CLOSE_WAIT?
[17:13] jpart: I have a problem compiling node 0.4.x on Ubuntu Natty 64bit. I get error: redefinition of ‘struct timeval’ on ares_strcasecmp.c
[17:14] jpart: 0.5.x seems to build fine.
[17:14] odie5533: it's not like 0.4.x is coming back into style. using 0.5.x =P
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[17:15] jpart: express.js does not seem to support 0.5.x
[17:15] blueadept: it works
[17:15] blueadept: you just have to install it manually
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[17:16] blueadept: though i'm unsure of what the major changes will be in the next version once 0.6 is released
[17:16] blueadept: i think a lot of things are under consideration
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[17:18] knite: anyone here using jade? seeing a strange bug in how it parses arguments.
[17:18] tjholowaychuk: knite open an issue
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[17:19] knite: @tjholowaychuk hoping it's a PEBCAK problem. :-)
[17:19] jpart: i get "Cannot read property 'prototype' of undefined" on express/lib/http.js when running express from git master.
[17:20] jpart: and using connect from git master.
[17:20] tjholowaychuk: jpart master is 2.x
[17:20] tjholowaychuk: and master express is 3.x
[17:20] tjholowaychuk: you want the 1.x/2.x branches
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[17:21] tjholowaychuk: pretty sure the readme says that
[17:22] jpart: The 1.x/2.x do not work with node 0.5.x and I have problem building 0.4.
[17:22] tjholowaychuk: why are you using 0.5.x
[17:22] woodiz: how to install express with node 0.4.9 https://gist.github.com/1142065 and run the examples
[17:22] jpart: Unable to build 0.4.x on ubuntu 64bit
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[17:23] tjholowaychuk: jpart well the only reason they dont work is because i have the package.json not supporting 0.5.x
[17:23] tjholowaychuk: so those branches should still be fine
[17:23] tjholowaychuk: they will be more stable than the masters
[17:24] pr2012: might not be close_wait. Seeing cluster hold onto lots of old and unused connections, but netstat isn't releasing them.
[17:24] pr2012: *netstat isnt showing them
[17:24] jpart: tjholowaychuck: ok. I try 1.x/2.x on 0.5.x.
[17:25] tjholowaychuk: pr2012 cluster doesn't do anything with the connections
[17:25] tjholowaychuk: your app might be doing something weird
[17:25] tjholowaychuk: node sets a ~2 minute timeout I believe by default
[17:25] pr2012: yeah, Im just reading off its stats. I had connections that aren't being released after many hours.
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[17:26] tjholowaychuk: maybe you're not end()ing somewhere
[17:26] tjholowaychuk: not sure but i doubt cluster has anything to do with it
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[17:27] sleeplessinc: can anyone knowledgeably say what the current wisdom on uncaught exception handler?  I was told it's not something we can rely on for some reason.
[17:27] sleeplessinc: I find it very helpful however.
[17:27] jpart: tjholowaychuk: 1.x/2.x with 0.5.x works! Thanks!
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[17:51] AvianFlu: sleeplessinc: I've seen like, one issue where it didn't catch something
[17:52] AvianFlu: besides that, you'd rather catch your errors before they get to 'uncaughtException'
[17:52] AvianFlu: but there's nothing wrong with it per se
[17:53] sleeplessinc: avianflu: thanks.
[17:55] jeromegn: so if I want to spawn a child process that has a specific different environment variable, I need to add it to process.env? I'm trying to run a command like: "DISPLAY=:0 phantomjs" how would I do that as a process being spawned with node.js?
[17:56] AvianFlu: is the child process your code?  or is it something you can't modify?
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[17:59] jeromegn: AvianFlu: can't modify
[17:59] chapel: jeromegn: just put that before the command
[17:59] chapel: so instead of "phantom js something"
[17:59] chapel: you do "DISPLAY=:0 phantomjs something"
[17:59] jeromegn: cool, thanks, trying that now
[18:00] chapel: btw, I had to do the same thing, and it worked fine
[18:00] AvianFlu: yeah bash is your friend like that lol
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[18:07] jeromegn: chapel: it seems to work fine from the command line, but the same exact command doesn't work from node
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[18:07] jeromegn: spawn "DISPLAY=:0 phantomjs", ["../lib/parser.coffee", url], {cwd: __dirname}
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[18:08] soapyillusions: anyone know of any issues with piping http requests (of images) to the file system asynchronously… I am doing quite a few in parallel and am getting Error: Cannot resume() closed Socket. I'm running 0.5.4
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[18:10] chapel: hmm
[18:12] chapel: jeromegn: have you tried without the cwd command?
[18:12] chapel: err option
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[18:12] VeXii: whats the best way to make sure 2 async jobs are done before you render the client view?
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[18:13] VeXii: callback stacking?
[18:13] chapel: VeXii: lots of ways to do it
[18:14] chapel: a lot of people recommend modules that help with that, ala step, seq, async
[18:14] VeXii: i like somthing elegant whith mongoose and express
[18:14] VeXii: i looked at step abit and it looked intersting
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[18:21] jeromegn: chapel: no difference, but it seems to work if I use exec instead of spawn
[18:22] chapel: yeah, worked for me with exec
[18:22] chapel: not sure about spawn
[18:22] chapel: could be that it doesn't like the first part
[18:22] jeromegn: chapel: ah you're using exec? what's the difference?
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[18:23] chapel: yeah Im using exec
[18:23] chapel: I have to go sorry, but Ill be around later
[18:23] AvianFlu: child_process.exec runs the child process and buffers all the output for you up to 200kb or something
[18:23] jeromegn: oh right
[18:24] AvianFlu: child_process.spawn starts the process and gives you the stdin & stdout & stderr streams
[18:24] jeromegn: that's fine for now I suppose :)
[18:24] jeromegn: ok, I was hoping those were the only differences
[18:24] jeromegn: they are fine by me
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[18:25] industrial: l
[18:25] industrial: is jashkenas ever on IRC?
[18:26] TheJH: industrial, yes
[18:26] TheJH: industrial, most of the time as jashkenas_work
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[18:26] tjholowaychuk: not sure but i doubt cluster has anything to do with it
[18:26] tjholowaychuk: woah
[18:26] tjholowaychuk: sorry
[18:26] tjholowaychuk: pastefail
[18:26] TheJH: industrial, but he's only in #coffeescript
[18:27] industrial: okay
[18:27] TheJH: industrial, he's often online
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[18:27] odie5533: How can I guarantee output to the console?
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[18:28] odie5533: synchronously
[18:28] skampler: odie5533: console.error()
[18:29] skampler: or process.stderr.write() 
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[18:31] S1r10n: I can't get npm to install forever... npm install daemon works fine but npm -g install forever complains about the daemon preconfigure script... now I think it's the -g switch that makes it fail but -g is not documented at all in the manpage or in npm help install although --global is mentioned... is it the same switch and can someone help me understand how to work with dependencies and installing forever?
[18:32] isaacs: S1r10n: yes, -g and --global are exactly the same thing.
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[18:32] S1r10n: ok so what is the difference between local and global isntalation?
[18:32] odie5533: Does javascript not lazily execute if (a | b) ?
[18:32] S1r10n: and why should daemon install local fine and global not?
[18:33] jetienne_: odie5533: it does like in C, same for and
[18:33] odie5533: v8: a = true; if (a | b.length) console.log("yes");
[18:33] v8bot_: odie5533: ReferenceError: b is not defined
[18:33] DrMcKay: oddie5533: if (a | b): no, if (a || b): yes
[18:34] tjholowaychuk: /clear
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[18:34] odie5533: ah, thank you DrMcKay
[18:36] odie5533: on Windows, using console.error jsut sends the message to a black hole
[18:36] odie5533: it doesn't guarantee output at all. it guarantees it WON'T output =/
[18:37] DrMcKay: oddie5533: cygwin or native build?
[18:37] odie5533: native
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[18:37] DrMcKay: and console.warn?
[18:38] odie5533: same deal
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[18:39] TheJH: !issue search windows console error
[18:39] jhbot: found issues: 6, showing the first 3
[18:39] jhbot: Issue: #1092: CYGWIN(XP) compiled NodeJS cannot use 'dgram.addMembership'.
[18:39] jhbot: Issue: #1176: Bug:  http.request socket hang up problem
[18:39] jhbot: Issue: #1373: Debugger doesn't work on Windows v0.5.1
[18:39] TheJH: :/
[18:39] TheJH: completely unrelated first 3
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[18:40] TheJH: I should rewrite that code...
[18:40] odie5533: I'd expect nothing less from GitHub's randoms earch results.
[18:40] TheJH: odie5533, I'm not using githubs issue search api
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[18:41] DrMcKay: try putting 2>&1 after executable name, I remeber there were funny things with stderr on Windows
[18:41] S1r10n: do I need to complain about daemon not installing global to the author/maintainer of daemon or npm?
[18:41] TheJH: odie5533, there's no API for searching in issues that I know of, so I just download all and do a full-text search :D
[18:41] isaacs: S1r10n: can you gist the output?
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[18:42] S1r10n: yeas sure
[18:42] S1r10n: daemon@0.3.0 preinstall: `node-waf configure build` `sh "-c" "node-waf configure build"` failed with 127 
[18:43] S1r10n: I'll create a gist bug
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[18:43] S1r10n: at npm or at daemon?
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[18:47] isaacs: S1r10n: no, i mean, copy all the output, from `npm install -g daemon` through to the very end, and paste it into an entry on http://gist.github.com/ and then give me the link to it
[18:48] S1r10n: https://gist.github.com/1145169
[18:48] isaacs: S1r10n: awesome.  here's the issue: sh: node-waf: command not found
[18:49] S1r10n: it works without the -g 
[18:49] isaacs: S1r10n: `which node-waf` <-- what's that output?
[18:49] isaacs: S1r10n: or maybe, `which python`
[18:49] S1r10n:  /root/local/node/bin/node-waf 
[18:49] S1r10n:  /usr/bin/python 
[18:50] S1r10n: while /root is the ~
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[19:01] Anshu: 	hi guys, any quick advice on how to make nodejs write into a file every minute, instead of on every socket data receive? 
[19:02] goshakkk: hey guys
[19:02] TheJH: Anshu, setInterval(someFunction, 1000*60)
[19:02] goshakkk: can anyone recomend me resources on #nodejs?
[19:02] Anshu: the key thing is, I am expecting upto 10,000 connections every minute 
[19:02] Anshu: and i dont want to process all of them individually 
[19:02] goshakkk: and ... I wanna know when to use node and when rails is enuf
[19:03] Anshu: I want to collect the data frmo all the connections for a minute, and then do a batch push 
[19:03] goshakkk: or maybe they can work together?
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[19:03] TheJH: goshakkk, ah, you got my tweet :D - kohai is a bot over in #nodejitsu
[19:04] TheJH: goshakkk, I don't have much experience with rails, but you can combine them, yes
[19:04] goshakkk: and which work should do node and which work should do rails?
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[19:06] TheJH: goshakkk, that's a question I think I can't answer, but node is good at concurrency and bad at cpu-heavy tasks
[19:06] pr2012: With express, how does one access the body of a PUT request?
[19:07] pr2012: seems to be absent
[19:07] tjholowaychuk: pr2012 if it's x-www-form-urlencoded or application/json you can use bodyParser
[19:07] tjholowaychuk: otherwise you can stream/do whatever you want with the data events
[19:07] goshakkk: TheJH, can web app be fully writen in node?
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[19:08] pr2012: yeah, bodyParser is missing it. 
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[19:08] tjholowaychuk: is it one of those content-types?
[19:08] TheJH: goshakkk, I think so
[19:08] goshakkk: TheJH, has this approach some disadvantages?
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[19:10] TheJH: goshakkk, well, it depends on your needs, I think
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[19:10] TheJH: goshakkk, but I don't think that there are huge disadvantages
[19:10] goshakkk: TheJH, can you give some examples when node is better and when it's not good to use node please?
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[19:11] tjholowaychuk: pr2012 figure it out?
[19:11] pr2012: Possibly some groovy restclient weirdness. Gonna debug the other side.
[19:11] tjholowaychuk: check the header fields
[19:12] tjholowaychuk: may not be giving you Content-Type: application/json etc
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[19:12] TheJH: goshakkk, I think that a usecase where node is good would be a webchat or so. Any rails fans here? I don't feel comfortable advertising rails stuff here as I don't even know anything about it
[19:12] pr2012: probably it. I don't think it sets the content-type by default.
[19:12] tjholowaychuk: ah
[19:12] tjholowaychuk: that would be it
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[19:13] goshakkk: TheJH, rails is the usual web framework
[19:13] goshakkk: written in perfect language Ruby ;)
[19:13] S1r10n: isaacs ... what now? which node-waf --> /root/local/node/bin/node-waf which python --> /usr/bin/python ... wile ~ is /root it works without the -g option any solution?
[19:14] TheJH: goshakkk, I know that it's the usual web framework for ruby, but not much more
[19:14] tjholowaychuk: lololool
[19:14] goshakkk: TheJH, it's perversely to write simple blog engine in node, right?
[19:14] TheJH: goshakkk, btw, I think that ryah says he decided to create nodejs just because ruby was too slow
[19:14] isaacs: S1r10n: wha'ts your $PATH environment variable?
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[19:15] isaacs: S1r10n: also, are you logged in as root?  or using sudo?
[19:15] TheJH: goshakkk, no, I don't think so. isaacs, your blog is written in node, right?
[19:15] isaacs: TheJH: no, my blog is tumblr
[19:15] TheJH: ah, sorry
[19:15] isaacs: TheJH: so it's written on clouds and marshmallows and downtime :)
[19:15] S1r10n:  $PATH --> -bash: /root/local/node/bin:/root/local/node/bin:/root/local/node/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin: No such file or directory 
[19:16] S1r10n: logged in as root (is a testing server only root exists)
[19:16] isaacs: S1r10n: to check an environment variable, you can do `echo $PATH`
[19:16] goshakkk: TheJH, yeah ruby is a bit slow, but 1.9.3-preview1 doubled performance of rails bootstraping
[19:16] S1r10n: echo $PATH --> /root/local/node/bin:/root/local/node/bin:/root/local/node/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
[19:17] S1r10n: isaacs: echo $PATH --> /root/local/node/bin:/root/local/node/bin:/root/local/node/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
[19:18] isaacs: S1r10n: ok, so node-waf should be in there...
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[19:18] S1r10n: yes right in the first one
[19:19] S1r10n: isaacs: it is in there and it works when I install daemon without the -g flag
[19:19] isaacs: S1r10n: this is confusing to me.
[19:20] S1r10n: isaacs: well to me too I switched too stable (node) extra to test if it was a problem of my setup but the problem remained
[19:21] isaacs: yeah, thisis some kind of weird path resolution thing.
[19:21] isaacs: it'd be nice if env told you exactly *what* it wasn't able to find, and where it was looking :)
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[19:23] S1r10n: ... why it was looking there maybe ;)
[19:24] S1r10n: ok... I g2g (my girlfriend wants to go out) I'll check if I see you the coming days
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[19:25] S1r10n: the npm log dosn't help too
[19:25] VeXii: is there a easy way to make sure calls to the static folder dont get processed by express?
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[19:35] soapyillusions: is unlink how you delete a file?
[19:36] AvianFlu: yep
[19:36] soapyillusions: thanks
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[19:38] ellisgl: to create a file, you "touch" it.. to delete it, you "unlink" it - why not "untouch"?
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[19:39] soapyillusions: ellisgl or rm if you wanna follow unix
[19:39] AvianFlu: because a file system is really a table of links that says which bytes where are what
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[19:39] AvianFlu: when you get rid of the link, it's just random data 
[19:39] AvianFlu: because who knows what it might be
[19:40] ellisgl: I was just saying it's a weird naming scheme =)
[19:40] AvianFlu: hence fs.unlink
[19:40] soapyillusions: makes sense
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[19:40] AvianFlu: it's low level and computer-science-y, but there 4is a reason.
[19:41] AvianFlu: and that's how deletes are done, really
[19:41] ellisgl: Yeah - remove the ref from the table. =)
[19:41] AAA_awright: ellisgl: touch updates a file's mtime, like all operations that open a file pointer it creates it if it doesn't exist
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[19:41] marshall: hey node
[19:42] AvianFlu: sup supjeff
[19:42] AvianFlu: lol
[19:42] AAA_awright: There is a link() function too, that does the inverse of unlink()
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[19:42] supjeff: I'm setting up a demo app that runs some text through a subprocess and sends the output back to the user
[19:43] supjeff: but I don't think I'm cleaning up my child-precesses properly
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[19:43] supjeff: I put the res.send (using express) inside process.stdout.on('data', function(err, data){ ... })
[19:44] supjeff: and it seems to work the first time, but not after
[19:44] ellisgl: *note to self - keeps psuedo jokes to self*
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[19:45] supjeff: *not to self - keep sudo jokes for admin users*
[19:45] AvianFlu: supjeff: process.stdout is your parent process
[19:45] AvianFlu: besides that, are you using child_process.spawn or child_process.exec
[19:46] supjeff: spawn
[19:46] supjeff: should I use exec?
[19:46] AvianFlu: no, you should use spawn if you want the streams
[19:46] AvianFlu: what's the child?
[19:46] supjeff: markdown
[19:46] supjeff: tried using require('markdown') but it appears to be buggy
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[19:47] supjeff: might look at what's wrong with it later, but I figure now is as good a time as any to learn how to use subprocesses
[19:47] matomesc: supjeff: are you trying to parse markdown in child process?
[19:47] supjeff: yea
[19:48] matomesc: so pipe the req.body into a child
[19:48] tbranyen: supjeff: try out robotskirt
[19:48] matomesc: stdin
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[19:50] jhurliman: this doesn't sound good: "npm ERR! registry error parsing json"
[19:50] isaacs: jhurliman: gist output, please
[19:50] isaacs: jhurliman: typically that means that there's some reason why your system can't get to the registry
[19:50] isaacs: proxy, went down, etc.
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[19:51] jhurliman: isaacs, https://gist.github.com/1145231
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[19:51] jhurliman: it looks like everything worked in spite of that first line
[19:51] chapel: jeromegn: did you figure it out?
[19:51] jeromegn: chapel: used exec and it works
[19:51] jeromegn: just harder to deal with the big stdout
[19:52] chapel: what do you mean?
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[19:54] isaacs: jhurliman: yep, routing error apparently
[19:54] isaacs: just a sec
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[19:56] isaacs: jhurliman: refresh dns, or just wait 5 minutes
[19:56] jhurliman: k, thanks
[19:56] isaacs: man, having a failover set up is nice :)
[19:56] isaacs: couch really does make that super easy
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[19:58] supjeff: now express seems to be escaping my marked up markdown
[19:58] supjeff: or amybe it's jade...
[19:58] supjeff: *maybe
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[19:58] AvianFlu: I'm not familiar with express or jade very much, but I'd definitely make my first guess the other templating engine in the picture
[19:59] AvianFlu: i.e. jade
[19:59] jeromegn: chapel: I mean, exec returns a big stdout as one of the callback args, but spawn lets you listen in on the stdout event which may be fire more than once
[19:59] AvianFlu: jeromegn: it's not 'one big stdout', it's all the program's output, buffered
[19:59] AvianFlu: spawn gives you access to the streams, which lets you deal with the data in real-time afterwards
[20:00] AvianFlu: instead of afterwards, I mean
[20:00] chapel: ah jeromegn I don't care about the stdout, just that it completes
[20:00] supjeff: AvianFlu: yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Thanks
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[20:00] jeromegn: right
[20:00] jeromegn: thanks for the clarification
[20:00] jeromegn: :)
[20:00] jeromegn: struggling with my lexicon (self-taught)
[20:01] AvianFlu: at least you know the word 'lexicon', that's certainly something
[20:02] jeromegn: hah
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[20:06] AvianFlu: goshakkk: a lot of network stuff is really easy in node.js.  This is a working IRC connection proxy in 7 lines of code: https://gist.github.com/1144504
[20:06] goshakkk: AvianFlu hmm awesome
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[20:07] AvianFlu: you can make an HTTP server in about the same amount of code
[20:07] goshakkk: is there a way to use #haml with #expressjs?
[20:07] tjholowaychuk: goshakkk yeah
[20:07] tjholowaychuk: there's two hamls though
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[20:07] tjholowaychuk: in npm "hamljs" and "haml"
[20:07] tjholowaychuk: hamljs works out of the box, not sure about haml
[20:08] goshakkk: and how yo use it with expressjs?
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[20:08] tjholowaychuk: app.register('haml', require('hamljs'))
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[20:08] tjholowaychuk: to map the .haml extensions to hamljs
[20:09] goshakkk: okay thx
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[20:11] isaacs: jhurliman: working for you now?
[20:11] jhurliman: look like it, yeah
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[20:13] isaacs: jhurliman: oh, and it looks like the main one is back up.  only was down for a few minutes, actually
[20:13] jhurliman: cool
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[20:16] vdemedes: Hi all
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[20:18] random123: Is it frowned upon to use global vars when doing apps (not modules to be distributed) in Node?
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[20:19] random123: So that you can make variables avaliable in require() scope easily
[20:19] random123: without having to call function in the module and suppying argument var to make it avail
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[20:27] chapel: you can use whatever you want
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[20:29] TheJH: random123, it's not exactly recommended, but you can do it
[20:30] TheJH: random123, as long as you fell comfortable hearing "told you so" in case it breaks stuff, it's ok :)
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[20:30] TheJH: s/fell/feel/
[20:30] random123: TheJH: oh, i better not then
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[20:31] TheJH: random123, it's unlikely that it will break stuff, but in case it happens, the cause might be difficult to find
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[20:38] vdemedes: How to implement HTTP Streaming in Node.js, like in Rails 3.1?
[20:38] vdemedes: it's just multiple res.write() or something else?
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[20:42] tjholowaychuk: vdemedes yeah that's what you would do
[20:43] vdemedes: tjholowaychuk: ok, thank you!
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[20:51] TooTallNate: mraleph: ping
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[20:52] mraleph: TooTallNate: pong
[20:53] TooTallNate: sweet
[20:53] mraleph: how can I help?
[20:53] TooTallNate: hey so V8 question
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[20:53] TooTallNate: https://github.com/TooTallNate/NodObjC/compare/046960c2...3f005e11f8
[20:53] TooTallNate: https://github.com/TooTallNate/NodObjC/blob/3f005e11f87893b600106d051d568e16487bd378/tests/extend.js
[20:53] TooTallNate: second link, sorry
[20:53] TooTallNate: look at that test case
[20:53] TooTallNate: it works fine, but the very bottom segfaults, WTF?
[20:54] mraleph: have no idea, what does gdb show?
[20:55] TooTallNate: https://gist.github.com/bee46219670a8996c7a0
[20:55] TooTallNate: the weird part is that calling .toString() regularly on that object works fine
[20:56] visnup: console.log doesn't support '%x'?
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[20:58] mraleph: TooTallNate: is this something I can run locally?
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[20:59] mraleph: TooTallNate: let me just checkout your code and play with it
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[20:59] TooTallNate: mraleph: git clone git://github.com/TooTallNate/NodObjC.git; cd NodObjC; npm install -d; node test/extend.js
[20:59] TooTallNate: :p
[20:59] AvianFlu: visnup: only %s, %d, and %j for JSON
[20:59] visnup: AvianFlu: :( k
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[21:01] TooTallNate: visnup: fork and add more!
[21:01] mraleph: TooTallNate: are you using node 0.4.x or 0.5.x?
[21:01] TooTallNate: 0.4.10
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[21:01] visnup: TooTallNate: now on my long list
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[21:03] mraleph: TooTallNate: I am rebuilding my node so it will take some time (my laptop is not exactly the fastest thing around)
[21:04] TooTallNate: mraleph: haha, no worries! i'm in no hurry
[21:05] TooTallNate: i'm more just curious what the difference between `instance.toString()` and `instance + '' ` is
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[21:15] mraleph: TooTallNate: I am getting Error: Could not convert type: r^^{__CFData}
[21:16] TooTallNate: mraleph: that's weird... stack trace?
[21:16] mraleph: TooTallNate: https://gist.github.com/1145320
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[21:18] TooTallNate: mraleph: ok pull and try again
[21:19] TooTallNate: which version of OSX are you on, btw?
[21:19] mraleph: 10.6.7
[21:19] TooTallNate: ok thanks
[21:19] mraleph: I am getting the same exception
[21:20] TooTallNate: wtf? are you sure you pulled? this should have fixed it: https://github.com/TooTallNate/NodObjC/commit/c2df1caf045ca99c20c4f8eaa1406730ef542133
[21:22] mraleph: TooTallNate: yes I have this line 
[21:22] TooTallNate: yeah i'm fixing it, one sec
[21:22] mraleph: v8: /\{/.test("r^^{")
[21:22] v8bot_: mraleph: true
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[21:23] mraleph: TooTallNate: should not it be just type not type[0]?
[21:23] jhurliman: isaacs, when is the next node office hours?
[21:23] TooTallNate: mraleph: yes, I just fixed
[21:23] TooTallNate: please pull
[21:23] mraleph: now it works
[21:24] TooTallNate: :)
[21:24] mraleph: and does not crash >_<
[21:24] TooTallNate: as in no segfault?
[21:24] mraleph: yep
[21:24] TooTallNate: AAHHH WTF?
[21:24] TooTallNate: you're on node 0.4.10?
[21:24] mraleph: yep
[21:25] mraleph: x64 bit build
[21:25] TooTallNate: well I mean that's good to hear, but means my computer is crazy :p
[21:25] mraleph: maybe it's mac os x version specific
[21:25] TooTallNate: oh I'm on Lion
[21:25] mraleph: I am not :-)
[21:25] TooTallNate: ahh, so we have a suspect
[21:26] TooTallNate: i'll be sure to try it out on some machines at work tomorrow and try to narrow it down
[21:26] TooTallNate: mraleph: thanks for looking into it
[21:27] mraleph: np. sorry I could not be of any help 
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[21:28] TooTallNate: mraleph: do you know why there would be a difference between those two statements though?
[21:29] TooTallNate: I'd think they'd be the same
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[21:31] random123: TheJH: I am just putting $ on globals, like $app I think that will work well to prevent any problems
[21:31] random123: TheJH: It makes things so much easier :)
[21:32] TheJH: random123, actually, I think the JS spec says you should only use $ for generated code...
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[21:32] TheJH: random123, but that should help, yes
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[21:34] mraleph: TooTallNate: nuh I don't know
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[21:40] xerox: I think the common practice is all caps for globals
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[21:48] random123: xerox: I like that better
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[21:49] xerox: they really stick out
[21:49] TooTallNate: mraleph: interesting, it works on node 0.5.x
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[22:32] jhurliman: if anyone is feeling adventurous, i finished the first version of process.watchers() - https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/1532
[22:33] xerox: http://code.google.com/p/box2dweb/
[22:33] xerox: this is pretty cool
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[22:35] tjholowaychuk: xerox they're all shitty generated ports
[22:35] tjholowaychuk: I was rewritting one once to optimize it but ran out of steam
[22:35] tjholowaychuk: pretty big library
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[22:36] metaverse: how can I access a variable in the current file by name? In browser I can do this['variable']
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[22:37] tjholowaychuk: metaverse i believe node has "this" as exports right now
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[22:41] metaverse: tjholowaychuk: hmm, that object is empty. But I guess I can just add my variables in object and reference that instead. Thanks though! :)
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[22:41] tjholowaychuk: metaverse yeah I personally wouldn't rely on "this" being anything significant
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[22:42] metaverse: tjholowaychuk: hehe what I'm doing is just some utility code for myself so it's not important at all :)
[22:42] tjholowaychuk: ah
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[22:44] xerox: tjholowaychuk: : (
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[22:56] random123: Anyone know a module that does reading files from and entire directory and sub directory?
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[22:58] random123: ah nvm
[22:58] random123: something called "dive" in npm
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[23:04] kilian_: hi to all 
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[23:05] tim_smart: csanz: arlolra: So skype call was 9am my time?
[23:05] tim_smart: Rofl wrong channel
[23:06] kilian_: i'am reading here http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.10/api/net.html#server.listen but i can't figure out the host parameter, the server still accepts all connections, is there a way to grab the host of a incoming tcp connection?
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[23:09] TheJH: kilian_, did you specify "127.0.0.1" as host?
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[23:10] kilian_: TheJH i specified a domain, i want a per host switch, is it possible to do with tcp ?
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[23:11] TheJH: kilian_, only with a per-ip switch, not with a per-hostname switch
[23:12] kilian_: so i can't bind hosts, but interfaces instead
[23:12] kilian_: or local / external
[23:14] TheJH: kilian_, you can have multiple IPs per interface
[23:14] kilian_: i know
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[23:14] kilian_: ty TheJH for the help ;)
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