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[02:07] Nuck: Wow.
[02:07] Nuck: That's a long hostmask.
[02:08] jesusabdullah: YOU're a long hostmask!
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[02:24] ale: Hello everyone, I have apache on and when I do httpProxy.createServer(81, 'localhost:81/socket.io/socket.io.js').listen(80); I get EADDR_INUSE..how can I fix this?
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[02:28] ale: Hello everyone, I have apache on and when I do httpProxy.createServer(81, 'localhost:81/socket.io/socket.io.js').listen(80); I get EADDR_INUSE..how can I fix this?
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[02:32] mscdex: ale: care to give more context? what is httpProxy ?
[02:32] ale: the http-node-proxy
[02:32] ale: module
[02:33] stagas: ale: apache is listening on 80. you can't listen on the same port
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[02:34] ale: stagas: And which port should I use if on the html I have an include of io on localhost:81/socket.io/socket.io.js ?
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[02:37] stagas: ale: 81
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[02:37] ale: stagas: But it doesn't do anything with that, I mean it's not connecting to io
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[02:39] ale: I mean, I have on the html: <script src="http://localhost:81/socket.io/socket.io.js"></script>
[02:40] ale: stagas: then, how should I write the proxy?
[02:40] stagas: ale: why do you use the proxy for?
[02:40] ale: stagas: for expressjs and io
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[02:43] mscdex: developers, developers, developers!
[02:43] stagas: ale: var app = express.createServer(); var io = require('socket.io').listen(app); app.listen(81); // this should work no?
[02:44] ale: stagas: yes, but if I combine it with expressjs it won't work
[02:45] stagas: ale: can't help you without some code
[02:45] stagas: ale: use gist.github.com
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[02:46] ale: stagas: I mean, with expressjs let's say I want to do io = require('socket.io').listen(app); app.listen(81); app.get('/web/:id'); -> Then, I'll have to access to localhost:81/web/12
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[02:46] ale: stagas: Then with proxy I want to prevent the need of writing localhost:81, do you get me?
[02:47] stagas: ale: yeah, you can't do that if you have apache listening on 80
[02:47] ale: stagas: So what should I do?!
[02:48] stagas: ale: listen on a free ip or use a proxy behind apache and node, haproxy or whatever
[02:49] ale: stagas: holy...I didn't understand you
[02:49] chjj: or just dont use apache :)
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[02:50] ale: Okey..what are you talking about guys? =)
[02:50] chjj: hes talking about a reverse proxy, something that can pass off connections to node
[02:50] ale: But how not to use apache?!
[02:51] chjj: killall apache
[02:51] chjj: ;)
[02:51] ale: Impossible, if I have html, php files
[02:51] ale: I can't stop apache!
[02:51] blueadept2: anyone made a multi-server node manager?
[02:51] stagas: ale: http://haproxy.1wt.eu/
[02:51] stagas: ale
[02:51] stagas: ale: and good luck :)
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[02:52] ale: stagas: but http-node-proxy does not work?
[02:52] chjj: blueadept2: depends on what youre talking about, you might want something like cluster
[02:53] blueadept: chjj: i keep hearing about cluster, i need to check it out
[02:53] stagas: ale: it would, but you need to reconfigure apache to run on another port, so you can redirect requests to it using http-node-proxy listening on 80
[02:53] blueadept: i rolled my own using forever
[02:53] blueadept: but i'm looking for perhaps other options
[02:53] chjj: https://github.com/LearnBoost/cluster
[02:53] blueadept: did tj write this all?
[02:53] ale: stagas: But I have no problem of using another port rather than 80, the problem is that it won't make it work! So what should I do? I am stucked :S
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[02:54] chjj: yeah, tj used his superpowers to write it i think
[02:54] blueadept: how does that kid have time to write so many libs
[02:54] blueadept: i swear almost my entire node stack is either something tj made 
[02:55] blueadept: he needs some sort of medal
[02:55] random123: How is the performance of node_mysql compared to PHP's implimentation? PHP uses a .so file whereas node_mysql uses Node's require('net').Socket to send packets?
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[02:55] stagas: ale: that's the problem, no two apps can bind on the same port. therefore you need to have an app listening on 80 and acting as a proxy to your other apps (apache, express etc) which should be listening on different ports to work
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[02:56] chjj: random123: i imagine youre referring to felixge's binding?
[02:57] ale: stagas: oh!!! And how should I re-configure that? So then what happens if I access to my.page? It should proxy it it :80 right? In the case that we are using the proxy
[02:57] stagas: ale: if you use node on another port then all is fine you don't need a proxy
[02:57] chjj: i would imagine well, i havent benchmarked it, but felixge is pretty good at writing streaming parsers
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[02:58] ale: stagas: the problem is just this one: localhost/web/:id with expressjs, but I don't know in which port to make listen to!
[02:58] random123: chjj: Is there a difference between using a .so and using a socket?
[02:59] ale: stagas: I mean, in which port should I make expressjs to listen to?
[02:59] ale: stagas: so that I do not need to write on the url?
[03:00] chjj: random123: sorry? i dont understand how those are the two options
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[03:00] chjj: a socket is a socket, if youre talking to a mysql database, theres no way to get around using a socket
[03:02] ale: stagas: do you get noe what is my question?
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[03:04] stagas: ale: dunno you either run a proxy or listen on another port
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[03:05] ale: stagas: hmm what do you mean with listening on another port? Isn't that impossible without the need of writing it on the url?
[03:05] stagas: ale: yup
[03:05] chjj: ale: thats the point of a reverse proxy, you have the proxy listen on port 80, and it passes connections to something
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[03:06] ale: chjj: So where should I make express to listen?
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[03:08] chjj: it doesnt really matter, whatever you want because youre going to be passing connections to it
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[03:11] mscdex: random123: PHP has a binding to the c++ libmysqlclient library, which is synchronous. node-mysql does everything in javascript -- protocol and all
[03:11] mscdex: fully async
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[03:14] random123: mscdex: Does it support unix sockets? Having an issue getting that working
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[03:15] mscdex: random123: mysql supports unix sockets, yes. i would hope node-mysql would too
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[03:16] random123: mscdex: I know mysql does, but node_mysql doesnt seem to
[03:16] mscdex: random123: should be easy enough to add support for it though, since net.Socket already supports unix sockets. fork it and send a pull request :-)
[03:17] chjj: it should, the net module supports unix sockets, very simply in fact
[03:17] adrianmg: any project on github using node.js to follow? recommendations? :)
[03:18] Sembiance: well, after lots of research (reading) I thought that 'dust.js' and 'handlebars' would be my most liked templating engines for node.js. However after USING them, I've found that I prefer the crazy simplicity of mustache :)
[03:18] chjj: all my projects ;)
[03:18] adrianmg: D:
[03:18] adrianmg: show me the bizznizz!
[03:18] chjj: sembiance: yeah, i value simplicity in templating engines to be honest
[03:18] chjj: https://github.com/chjj <-- amazingness, i hope
[03:19] adrianmg: I have done a chat
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[03:19] adrianmg: based on faye
[03:19] adrianmg: hehe
[03:20] Sembiance: If I had to pick one module... one node.js module that makes node.js a billion, trillion times more awesome... it'd have to be step: https://github.com/creationix/step
[03:20] random123: I took out Host and put the location of the unix socket in Port instead and it worked
[03:20] chjj: i think a node chat is everyones first app
[03:20] Sembiance: You couldn't FORCE me to write node.js code, without step.
[03:20] adrianmg: chjj yeah
[03:20] mscdex: faye schmaye
[03:20] adrianmg: It's great to test sockets and
[03:20] mscdex: :p
[03:20] adrianmg: always wanted to make a REAL chat in real time via sockets
[03:20] adrianmg: not using hacks or comet wannabe
[03:20] adrianmg: : ))
[03:21] mscdex: socket.io has "channels" now, that users can subscribe to
[03:21] mscdex: so it's pretty similar to faye, except iirc socket.io has more transports available to it?
[03:22] adrianmg: When i was using faye
[03:22] adrianmg: there wasn't channels for socket io
[03:23] adrianmg: faye is lighter and simplier but its ok to make a fast chat
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[03:26] adrianmg: so… any interesting new node.js based projects on github? come on guys :)
[03:26] adrianmg: let me watch!
[03:27] xerox: hmm
[03:28] adrianmg: I loved this
[03:28] adrianmg: https://github.com/pkrumins/node-video
[03:32] xerox: there is some project
[03:32] xerox: that couples npm with github watchers and followers
[03:32] xerox: to score them
[03:33] xerox: but I can't find it anymore ;_;
[03:33] blueadept: anyone familiar with this script? https://github.com/LearnBoost/cluster/blob/master/examples/vhost.js
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[03:34] xerox: found!
[03:34] xerox: adrianmg: http://eirikb.github.com/nipster/
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[03:35] adrianmg: xerox thank you so muchhh!
[03:35] adrianmg: its amazing the growing of node js apps!
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[03:39] adrianmg: now.js :O
[03:42] xerox: n:Ow js
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[03:42] SubStack: meowjs
[03:43] xerox: cats are amazing
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[03:51] dabomb665m: anyone available for quick noob help with sockets?
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[03:57] dabomb665m: we're sendingraw sockets from flash over to a node socket server and the expected length is off after exactly 182 read/writes
[03:59] jetienne: dabomb665m: i dunno the issue. but gut feeling, you sure the socket is pure tcp ? it seems like a rtmp connection to me. 182 would be the header
[04:00] dabomb665m: hrmm... we're using the flash socket class... it doesn't say it's an rtmp connection
[04:00] dabomb665m: going to double check that
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[04:04] dabomb665m: well upon checking, flash sockets indeed uses tcp
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[04:05] dabomb665m: we're taking the flash socket data, putting it into a buffer in node, and then sending it back (for testing purposes)
[04:05] dabomb665m: basically after x amount of bytes, the expected packet size is wrong
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[04:06] dabomb665m: on the node end
[04:06] dabomb665m: is there some kind of cache/buffer/socket setting for node that may be causing the issue?
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[04:22] blueadept: anyone here use cluster on a regular basis?
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[04:27] teknopaul: Hi all, Im putting together an eclispeJS based IDE, if anyone's interested, or prefers to work off the cloud.  https://github.com/teknopaul/node-launcher
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[05:02] Intel_iX: Can anyone tell me if it's possible to create a terminal with more control?
[05:02] Intel_iX: like, control the colors and such
[05:02] Intel_iX: and update in place
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[05:19] CIA-65: libuv: 03Igor Zinkovsky 07vcbuild * r44ca2da 10/ vcbuild.bat : vcbuild.bat for building libuv with msbuild - http://bit.ly/nHT614
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[05:32] UmairS: hello all
[05:32] UmairS: is there anything similar to sprockets for nodejs?
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[05:51] mscdex: UmairS: yeah i'm pretty sure there is
[05:51] UmairS: any idea what its called?
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[05:52] UmairS: mscdex any idea its called?
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[05:53] variablenode: hello
[05:54] variablenode: just is encryption supported in node.js??
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[05:55] materialdesigner: could you be more explicit, variablenode ?
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[05:56] mscdex: UmairS: dunno offhand but i have heard people talk about that kind of stuff in here
[05:56] variablenode: i am trying to implement poet forwarding using node.js, so i have a client on my laptop, and a server on remote pc, i want to encrypt data sanding between these two systems
[05:56] variablenode: port*
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[05:57] materialdesigner: are you using HTTPS?
[05:57] UmairS: mscdex would love if you could recall its name
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[05:57] variablenode: yeah...
[05:57] mscdex: UmairS: there's probably more than one i'd imagine
[05:57] UmairS: variablenode … look at tls
[05:58] UmairS: tls.createServer, etc.
[05:58] variablenode: in other words i am creating a proxy server on remote server
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[05:58] mscdex: UmairS: just search search.npmjs.org for something like 'asset' or whatever other keyword
[05:58] materialdesigner: what are you trying to do UmairS ?
[05:59] UmairS: mscdex there are so many options there but could not decide upon which to go with
[05:59] mscdex: UmairS: or "depend"
[05:59] mscdex: UmairS: can't help you there, i don't use anything like that
[05:59] UmairS: member:materialdesigner i am trying to concatenate javascript files … 
[05:59] UmairS: oops ...
[05:59] materialdesigner: as a cli app?
[05:59] materialdesigner: or what
[06:00] UmairS: materialdesigner: i have a file named test.coffee and i want it to be made available as test.js and also include code for socket.io.js (client) within it along with my code
[06:00] UmairS: so basically
[06:01] UmairS: #= require socket.io
[06:01] UmairS: class MyOwnCodeHere
[06:01] UmairS:   constructor: ->
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[06:03] mscdex: UmairS: maybe this?: https://github.com/kof/node-ams
[06:03] UmairS: let me see
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[06:18] slickplaid: Did `npm install -g 'pkgname'` global install get removed from npm... or what am I messing up (since I installed v0.4.10)
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[06:20] SubStack: curl -N 71.198.76.38:8080
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[06:52] zilch: I have a question using cluster.js. Cluster.js provide a telnet based REPL plugin ... which can be used to control various aspects of your cluster configuration ... however it also notes that listen on any port using telnet leads to security holes
[06:54] zilch: If I am running my cluster.js/express.js based servers on ec2 and block the port which I listen to for telnet'ing , is it still a possible security risk ?
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[06:55] zilch: my idea is to only open the port when I want to telnet and then close it after I am done with my telnet session ... is it safe practice ?
[06:55] vid__: i think potentially yes since within your datacenter there might be others who can get to it
[06:57] zilch: vid__, so not to open the port is only safe option ?
[06:57] vid__: you can open it and iptable it to locally
[06:57] vid__: that means you would need to ssh to it and then connect
[06:57] zilch: and isn't ec2 ( as datacenter ) secure ?
[06:58] vid__: i actually use linode
[06:58] chjj: zilch: the docs recommend using a unix socket
[06:58] zilch: vid__, so leaving port 22 open is safe ?
[06:58] chjj: i think it might be wise to abide by that
[06:58] vid__: unix socket definitely more secure
[06:58] zilch: chjj, but then I have to ssh , right ?
[06:58] vid__: right
[06:58] chjj: why would that be a problem though? thats how you administer your server normally anyway
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[06:59] zilch: I mean I did go through the docs ..
[06:59] zilch: chjj,  vid__, so leaving port 22 open is safe ? 
[06:59] vid__: you can also tunnel through vpn
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[06:59] vid__: sshe is safe
[06:59] damiano: hello black & white
[07:00] damiano: :)
[07:00] chjj: well 22 is going to be forwarded for ssh isnt it?
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[07:00] zilch: vid__, "sshe" or was it "ssh" with typo ?
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[07:00] vid__: type
[07:00] vid__: o
[07:00] vid__: heh
[07:00] zilch: chjj, 22 is for ssh ...yup
[07:00] chjj: right i know that, im saying, yeah its safe
[07:01] chjj: unless you enable password login for root or something equally weird
[07:01] zilch: k ... so basically telnet is not safe as ssh ... can I conclude that ?
[07:01] vid__: yes
[07:01] zilch: ah ..
[07:01] zilch: one more security question ... since you have told that datacenters are not safe ...
[07:02] vid__: within your subnet
[07:02] vid__: there are other servers
[07:02] zilch: I am having reversproxy which listen's to HTTPS request on port 433 ... and the ssl termination is done at/on reverseproxy ...
[07:03] zilch: vid__, I understood that data centers ( including EC2 ) are not always safe ..
[07:03] chjj: you mean 443?
[07:03] vid__: ssl is safe
[07:03] zilch: chjj, sorry it is 443 ... typo 
[07:03] vid__: i thought we were talking about the telnet within the datacenter
[07:04] zilch: vid__, oh , I have digested the fact that telnet are not safe within the data center ...!!!
[07:04] vid__: ok
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[07:05] zilch: I am having reversproxy which listen's to HTTPS request on port 433 ... and the ssl termination is done at/on reverseproxy .... reverseproxy reads the request and based on the path forwards it to any of the actual services ... running on port 40111 and 40222 ...
[07:05] vid__: ok
[07:06] zilch: my question is ... is it ok to leave the communication between the reverse proxy and the actual services as HTTP or should I have it HTTPS ?
[07:06] zilch: I am having it using HTTPS ...
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[07:07] vid__: if you are serving static files http is fine
[07:07] vid__: but if its credit cards moving around i'd use ssl
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[07:07] zilch: so there is termination of ssl happening at the reverse proxy level when the requests arrive from clients ...
[07:08] vid__: but if its credit cards moving around i'd use ssl
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[07:08] zilch: and then there is a ssl termination  that is done when request arrive at actual service from reverse proxy ...
[07:08] zilch: wouldn't it be a big performance issue to have to ssl termination ?
[07:09] vid__: yes ssl is slow
[07:09] damiano: can i create a pair as key in redis? like:     id : ip-address => value
[07:09] damiano: ?
[07:09] zilch: essenially  one more ssl encoding and one more termination ..
[07:10] zilch: vid__, what are acceptable trade offs ... I am not passing creditcard data ..
[07:10] vid__: a key can be anything in redis: i use uri format
[07:10] zilch: but I would still want to make reasonably secure !!
[07:10] vid__: tcp://ip/value
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[07:11] damiano: vid__, one moment....i told a "pair" because i net to "get" or by ID or IP_ADDRESS
[07:11] vid__: if you have static ips
[07:11] damiano: is it possible?
[07:11] vid__: you can use iptable
[07:11] vid__: to restrict access
[07:11] zilch: talking about the communication between the reverse proxy and actual services instances
[07:11] zilch: vid__, static ips and iptable ... were answer to me I suppose ..
[07:11] vid__: damiano:  you can use the score for the value
[07:11] zilch: yup I do have static Ips ..
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[07:12] zilch: i am having it on ec2 ... with elastic ips ...
[07:12] vid__: yeah iptable is a good way to go
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[07:13] damiano: vid__, one moment... the score?
[07:14] damiano: vid__, what do you mean?
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[07:15] vid__: damiano: are you trying to store the 2 values as the key?
[07:15] damiano: vid__, exactly
[07:15] vid__: btw someone in /join #redis might help more
[07:15] damiano: vid__, i tried.... all sleeping :)
[07:15] digitalsabre: Someone give me a good reason why one would want to use event emitters.
[07:16] digitalsabre: I'm having trouble grasping them.
[07:16] SubStack: streams
[07:16] SubStack: they can emit different sorts of events
[07:17] SubStack: end, data, drain, error
[07:17] vid__: just create 2 keys for your value 
[07:17] SubStack: EventEmitters let you catch those events
[07:17] vid__: good answer
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[07:17] SubStack: catch and emit I should say
[07:18] damiano: redis.set([one, two], value ) <----- ?
[07:18] vid__: on and emit
[07:18] SubStack: the way the browser does it by default meanwhile is pretty shit
[07:18] SubStack: window.onload = function () {}
[07:18] SubStack: because you can only do assignment once
[07:18] digitalsabre: Sure, but… what sort of events can I catch using emitters, SubStack?
[07:18] SubStack: very tricky to set up multiple callbacks to fire in different parts of the codebase
[07:18] vid__: redis.set([one], value ) redis.set([two], value )
[07:19] zilch: digitalsabre, the events you deem fit for your design
[07:19] vid__: with a multi
[07:19] SubStack: digitalsabre: there is no distiction between sorts of events
[07:19] SubStack: events have a string for a name and may have data or not
[07:19] digitalsabre: zilch: What, precisely, is an event, then?  How do I know what is an event and what is not?
[07:19] damiano: vid__, are separated
[07:20] SubStack: one side does obj.emit('foo', 3, 4, [ 5, 6 ])
[07:20] zilch: digitalsabre, say for a pet you can have event wokeup, wentforsleep, poo, hungry
[07:20] SubStack: the other does obj.on('foo', function (x, y, z) {})
[07:20] SubStack: digitalsabre: events are not things
[07:20] mscdex: don't wanna forget to listen for the 'poo' event
[07:20] vid__: damiano: you can do what i do sometime
[07:20] vid__: create a global key
[07:20] vid__: or set
[07:20] digitalsabre: they're code structures?
[07:21] vid__: and add the key to that
[07:21] vid__: and then another one with value of it
[07:21] zilch: mscdex, poo jar ...lols ... nasty ugly me !!!
[07:21] vid__: key://keys1 [key1,key2]
[07:21] damiano: vid__, can i add key to another keys ?
[07:21] digitalsabre: So… every object can have only one event? :/
[07:22] vid__: key://keys1/value => value
[07:22] zilch: digitalsabre, your question are much to do with oops ( well mostly !!) and how events inter play among them ... If I am correct ...
[07:22] damiano: if i do: redis.set("key")
[07:22] vid__: you can create keys from another set
[07:22] vid__: using the name
[07:22] SubStack: digitalsabre: you have a very mistaken idea of how EventEmitters work, I recommend reading the documentation
[07:22] zilch: digitalsabre, object can have multiple events
[07:22] damiano: how can i do it with redis module ?
[07:22] digitalsabre: I'm trying to understand them from tjholoway's book...
[07:22] SubStack: digitalsabre: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.9/api/all.html#events
[07:23] digitalsabre: But it's not very clear.
[07:23] SubStack: tj wrote a book?
[07:23] zilch: SubStack, I am waiting from you ... :P with all that svgs ...
[07:23] zilch: :P
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[07:26] vid__: damiano: i meant list
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[07:26] digitalsabre: Alright, so… if I create two different methods on an object, and then in each one, obj.emit('activated'); and obj.on('activated', function(){ console.log("Wondertwin Powers… ACTIVATE!")}); or something?
[07:27] SubStack: digitalsabre: methods have nothing to do with it
[07:27] digitalsabre: Then I'm not understanding the usefulness of emitters.
[07:27] damiano: vid__, LPUSH
[07:27] damiano: ok 
[07:27] vid__: yeah for the keys
[07:27] SubStack: digitalsabre: look at the examples here http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.9/api/all.html#events
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[07:29] vid__: lpush('key://blah', key1) lpush('key://blah', key2) set('key://blah/value', value1)
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[07:29] vid__: when store stuff in redis i use urls 
[07:30] vid__: much easier to search and look at
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[07:31] damiano: vid__, thank you so much
[07:31] damiano: i'm developing a simple "user logged" system
[07:31] damiano: to prevent multi-login
[07:32] damiano: with the same user-password
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[07:34] digitalsabre: Okay… now… maybe this isn't the deepest grasp of the things, but… An event causes a listener to fire (when you call it by emitting the event).  If there are multiple listeners for that event, they all fire in order according to their sequence on a stack.
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[07:35] digitalsabre: In other words, after a fashion, it is a way one can sortof stack functions?
[07:36] vid__: you mean attach multiple listeners which are functions waiting for an event
[07:36] damiano: vid__, can i search in redis ...looking for "key://ip" text when the entire key is "key://ip:port" 
[07:36] damiano: ?
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[07:37] vid__: keys key://ip*
[07:37] digitalsabre: vid__: That's what I mean, really.  Is there a difference between what I said and what you said?
[07:38] vid__: its cleaner than holding an array of functions and calling it all the time
[07:38] damiano: ok
[07:38] vid__: might be doing the same thing though
[07:39] digitalsabre: It's not much different, the way I see it.
[07:39] vid__: its cleaner
[07:39] vid__: i do it in query and in node.js
[07:39] digitalsabre: It looks like foreach(listener in eventListeners) { listener(arg1, arg2, arg3 … ); }
[07:40] digitalsabre: Oh, forgat an if.
[07:40] vid__: well i rather write less code
[07:40] digitalsabre: I'm not knocking it.  I'm trying to understand it.
[07:41] digitalsabre: Before I came in here, I didn't understand how it worked at all.
[07:41] vid__: and its object oriented
[07:41] vid__: the end result is the same thing
[07:42] digitalsabre: I have this feeling people think I'm attacking it and I'm not.  I didn't understand how it worked.  I'm not saying I don't understand why someone should use it.
[07:42] vid__: i think its the wording of the question that caused that
[07:43] digitalsabre: I was just pointing out that it looks like a foreach, which is useful in helping me understand it.
[07:43] vid__: seems like a lot of node.js modules in npm have memory leaks
[07:44] vid__: btw for arguments
[07:44] SubStack: then fix them
[07:44] digitalsabre: ?
[07:44] mscdex: digitalsabre: EventEmitters store listeners in an array already
[07:44] digitalsabre: Um… I got that, mscdex.
[07:45] mscdex: ok...? :S
[07:45] mscdex: then what is the issue?
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[07:45] vid__: he's just trying to understand it i think
[07:45] digitalsabre: The issue was that I didn't understand what EventEmitters did before I came in here.  Now I have some handle on how they work and a good idea what they'd be used for.
[07:46] mscdex: alright
[07:46] digitalsabre: tj's book didn't really explain.
[07:46] mscdex: they're pretty simple really
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[07:47] mscdex: but incredibly useful
[07:47] digitalsabre: So I can create a stack so that when something happens, thirty-five different things happen.
[07:48] digitalsabre: And I can even have one listener conditionally add other listeners for the next trigger...
[07:48] mscdex: digitalsabre: you could
[07:49] digitalsabre: That's going to take a while for me to understand the complete implications of.
[07:49] mscdex: but i'd say most people don't do that usuall
[07:49] mscdex: usually
[07:50] mscdex: generally you have very few listeners for a single event
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[07:54] SubStack: mscdex: perhaps you can help: I'm implementing the vt100/ansi terminal codes in plain javascript
[07:54] SubStack: but I can't seem to trap the device status responses
[07:55] SubStack: not sure where they're being written to
[07:55] SubStack: for instance:
[07:55] SubStack: node -e 'process.stdout.write(new Buffer([ 27, 91, 99 ]))'
[07:55] SubStack: oh maybe I need to open the tty
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[07:56] mscdex: SubStack: you need to enable raw mode
[07:56] SubStack: on which descriptor?
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[07:58] SubStack: hah I opened the `tty` and got the response at least
[08:00] mscdex: i haven't used the tty module very much, but i think the repl does with readline
[08:01] SubStack: oh snap, I got it!
[08:01] mscdex: heh
[08:01] SubStack: ah it's emitted through process.stdin's data event with rawmode
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[08:01] SubStack: strangely this circumvents the keypress events
[08:02] mscdex: probably
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[08:03] SubStack: bwahaha
[08:03] mscdex: you making a multi-user ansi art drawing program? ;-)
[08:03] SubStack: nah I just need to dump ansi data to an http server
[08:03] mscdex: ah
[08:03] SubStack: curl -N 71.198.76.38:8080
[08:03] SubStack: >:D
[08:04] mscdex: it prompts for a download!
[08:04] SubStack: wha?
[08:04] SubStack: when you issue the curl command?
[08:04] mscdex: from a browser :p
[08:04] SubStack: oh hah when you visit it from a browser sure
[08:04] SubStack: but browsers are so 2010
[08:05] mscdex: psh
[08:05] SubStack: curl is where it's at
[08:05] mscdex: i use wget
[08:05] SubStack: wget doesn't seem to have non-buffering mode :(
[08:06] SubStack: oh wait!
[08:06] SubStack: wget -qO- 71.198.76.38:8080
[08:06] SubStack: works ^_^
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[08:06] SubStack: sweet it's non-buffering by default in -O- mode
[08:07] mscdex: hax!
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[08:07] SubStack: but you can't upload files with wget, pretty sure
[08:07] SubStack: you can with curl -T >:D
[08:08] mscdex: meh i don't usually do uploading from the command line
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[08:08] SubStack: mscdex: for what I have in mind here it's pretty important
[08:08] chilts: I do sometimes, e.g. using the Google Closure compiler (online version)
[08:08] SubStack: just a single command to upload your tests to testling!
[08:08] SubStack: and run them in all the browsers
[08:08] mscdex: chilts: you're relying on google infrastructure? :O
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[08:09] SubStack: with animated ascii graphs of your test status
[08:09] chilts: heh, only when minimising JS for the server
[08:09] chilts: not for Node stuff :)
[08:09] mscdex: oh, you mean minifying files manually?
[08:10] chilts: yeah
[08:10] chilts: so I'd edit them, minimise them and check them in :) kinda weird, but works for me
[08:10] mscdex: for that i always use that appspot page that has an interface to that
[08:10] chilts: I haven't found a command line tool I like yet
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[08:10] chilts: mscdex: http://closure-compiler.appspot.com/compile ?
[08:10] chilts: that's the one I use with curl to send files that way
[08:11] mscdex: yeah
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[08:11] mscdex: they changed the site a bit it looks like.... event got a rest api now
[08:11] mscdex: neat
[08:11] chilts: e.g. http://paste.dollyfish.net.nz/256281
[08:11] chilts: yeah, that's the one I use :)
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[08:12] mscdex: someone wrote a node module that does similar tasks for js and css files with uglifyjs
[08:13] mscdex: with dependency analysis
[08:13] mscdex: by looking for require
[08:13] SubStack: I have a lib that does that but not for css
[08:14] mscdex: but you can add files explicitly too
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[08:16] mscdex: this module uses yahoo's cssmin it looks like
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[08:16] mscdex: https://github.com/kof/node-ams
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[08:36] SubStack: process.stdin doesn't seem to set .paused like other ReadableStreams
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[08:43] DrDetroit: so -where is node now ? It's all really about async io right ? 
[08:43] DrDetroit: 'an' offering ? 
[08:44] DrDetroit: 'an' intellectual offering by - hmm- I forget his name - the guy on Google talks who used the word asshole.
[08:44] SubStack: node is right here: http://nodejs.org
[08:44] DrDetroit: 'I'm not going to be an asshole and say everything HAS to be async' that guy
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[08:44] DrDetroit: heya substack- I remember your nick- been a LONG time since I came to this chan.
[08:44] DrDetroit: Ryan
[08:44] DrDetroit: that was it
[08:45] DrDetroit: er Ryal
[08:45] DrDetroit: how is node.js being used ? 
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[08:45] chilts: I wouldn't have thought anyone could quantify that
[08:45] DrDetroit: seems a c programmers aspirations brought to the javascript community/.
[08:45] DrDetroit: fair game to state if anyone could quantify that.
[08:46] DrDetroit: er, good point.
[08:46] DrDetroit: just curious to see how node.js is moving along
[08:46] SubStack: those are some very broad questions for which objective and concise answers don't exist
[08:46] chilts: I'm using it as a queueing system at the moment and prolly some other infrastructure in the future
[08:47] SubStack: node is just this nifty little tool that is fun to play with
[08:47] SubStack: that should be enough
[08:47] chilts: :)
[08:47] SubStack: and it's easy to write libraries so lots of people do
[08:47] DrDetroit: queing system for ? 
[08:48] chilts: my application
[08:48] chilts: also, just so I could learn more
[08:48] DrDetroit: just seeking a balance between under rating and over rating.
[08:49] brokenjames: the c guys agreed an a language
[08:49] brokenjames: for the not c newbs
[08:49] DrDetroit: if the aliens landed- and said- what can you offer us ? 
[08:49] DrDetroit: ok ok - that is a STRANGE optic to shape a question.
[08:49] brokenjames: I would give them all the things I wanted to get rid of
[08:49] DrDetroit: well- good the chan is still here
[08:50] brokenjames: : / A little brevity never hurt any one.
[08:50] DrDetroit: I'm 43 - and programming since age 8 - and am reaching a point where I question intellectualizing for the sake of intellectualizing.
[08:50] DrDetroit: my problem need not be yours
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[08:51] DrDetroit: I DO know there is a 'fuss' about node.js - and an excitement
[08:51] DrDetroit: which is why I was ever brought here.
[08:51] DrDetroit: that 'excitement'
[08:51] brokenjames: We are not exactly interrupting any one and substack I am sure is busy making things for the Internet to borrow
[08:51] DrDetroit: alas I am interested in anything 'new' - 
[08:52] DrDetroit: however - I'm not so sure 'new' is always better.
[08:52] brokenjames: I would say that it alows the average basment hacker to utilize enterprise level networking tools for the first time
[08:52] DrDetroit: the anti-thesis to node would be ? 
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[08:52] brokenjames: It also brings an elastic ad hoc phone network a step closer because it is so bloody small
[08:52] brokenjames: I would say....
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[08:53] DrDetroit: if someone put forth the antithesis to node ? 
[08:53] DrDetroit: what would that look like ? 
[08:53] DrDetroit: locking ? 
[08:53] brokenjames: when you sit down to do something with it it is a drastic departure from conventional internets making
[08:53] DrDetroit: serious locking on every socket transaction ? 
[08:53] SubStack: DrDetroit: that is a very strange way to think about environments
[08:53] DrDetroit: SubStack- I agree- it just came to me 
[08:53] DrDetroit: to explore the 'antithesis' - agreed
[08:54] SubStack: DrDetroit: node is just some wrappers on top of v8 to do file and network i/o
[08:54] SubStack: that's all
[08:54] DrDetroit: helped me derive some 'way' to understand node or async better
[08:54] DrDetroit: Sub - about where I left off on it
[08:54] DrDetroit: ok
[08:54] DrDetroit: I recognize your nick from another chan
[08:54] DrDetroit: some virtual OS chan
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[08:55] DrDetroit: I forget what it was
[08:55] DrDetroit: they were running a virtual testing box for web pages
[08:55] DrDetroit: my memory fails me
[08:55] SubStack: #stackvm
[08:55] DrDetroit: neat people though - they were starting a new company
[08:55] DrDetroit: yes- that was it
[08:55] DrDetroit: you are a God there - lol
[08:56] DrDetroit: I wonder how that's working out for the,m
[08:56] DrDetroit: admired the effort
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[08:56] DrDetroit: LOVE to see real world ventures
[08:56] DrDetroit: on creative speculation
[08:57] DrDetroit: it's the human spririt 
[08:57] DrDetroit: reaching into that 'void'
[08:57] DrDetroit: year 2000 - 2001,  stackvm would PROBABLY be a 100+ million venture
[08:58] DrDetroit: 'visionaries'
[08:58] DrDetroit: that's all I seek
[08:58] DrDetroit: +
[08:58] DrDetroit: Ryan here seems to be a visionary
[08:58] DrDetroit: you too Substack
[08:59] DrDetroit: I have no access to venture capital- can't help there. I'm strictly on the outside looking in.
[08:59] DrDetroit: you'll see- hit age 43- it's not easy to digest and adopt new technologies- BUT - you do see many 40,000 foot views- you see same thing over and over again.
[08:59] DrDetroit: not that aggregate count of revolutions around the sun add up to anything.
[09:00] DrDetroit: in any base.
[09:00] DrDetroit: so, to me - I approach node.js and ask myself- what's it all about Charlie Brown.
[09:00] DrDetroit: and I think you put it well - an async wrapper
[09:00] DrDetroit: now... WHY that is valuable - is of interest to me.
[09:02] DrDetroit: BOTTOM line though
[09:02] DrDetroit: I AM interested in what it ALL amounts to
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[09:02] DrDetroit: if node.js will enhance processing - 
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[09:03] DrDetroit: BUT -  IS it ? nothing MORE than  ? an actuality - a functional wrapper 
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[09:03] DrDetroit: yet- AN offering  - that simply WORKS
[09:03] DrDetroit: then I can settle on that understanding
[09:03] DrDetroit: and respect that
[09:03] DrDetroit: to be CAREFUL not to make anything more of it though.
[09:04] einaros: you're putting a little too much thought into this
[09:05] DrDetroit: :00)
[09:05] einaros: javascript is an ok language and eventing is a more comprehensible approach to dealing with many tasks more or less simulataneously, than say -- syncing threads yourself
[09:05] einaros: for me there's little more to it than that
[09:05] DrDetroit: indeed the event loop offers this
[09:06] DrDetroit: I used to dream about 'interrupt oriented' programming as a youth
[09:06] DrDetroit: event loop seems close to that
[09:06] DrDetroit: my interrupt was driven by vertical blank
[09:10] dt665m: anyone here have experience with handling/creating custom tcp streams willing to shed some light on a newbie?
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[09:12] einaros: dt665m: care to expand on what it is you want to do?
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[09:13] variablenode: why event based method better than thread based method
[09:13] variablenode: ??
[09:13] dt665m: sure... we're trying to link up a custom tcp protocol to communicate between our node server and a flash client
[09:13] dt665m: except i have no experience in dealing with tcp streams and what the 'proper' way to handle them are
[09:15] dt665m: basically, it would be helpful if someone could just list out the nuances and behaviors of tcp streams so I can code proper handling on the node end 
[09:16] einaros: variablenode: 'better' in terms of what?
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[09:17] DrDetroit: neat stuff to watch here
[09:17] DrDetroit: this is why I came
[09:17] DrDetroit: here- to see how people are using node.js
[09:18] variablenode: well there are two bench marks, memory and time
[09:18] variablenode: as well as multi programming
[09:18] variablenode: etc
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[09:23] variablenode:  where and why node.js should be preferred
[09:23] variablenode:  ??
[09:23] einaros: variablenode: most programmers I know, skilled and unskilled alike, have a poor understanding of the implications of concurrent processing, let alone synchronization of such
[09:24] einaros: thus, horrible bugs are born
[09:24] einaros: and for what purpose? for the most you don't actually need the 'speed' of rolling your own thread soup
[09:24] dt665m: yeah, einaros is right about threads and programmers in general
[09:25] dt665m: threads are just difficult to get right, from my experience
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[09:27] einaros: dt665m: regarding your custom protocol, the first thing you should consider is what kind of data you need to transfer. will there be need for binary?
[09:28] einaros: if binary isn't a requirement, I'd just consider sending CFLF separated JSON blocks, with a property indicating the command/event/message + whatever props you need for payload
[09:29] einaros: if there will be a lot of data, and frequently at that, other encoding options could be considered
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[09:31] dt665m: yeah... we're considering a messaged based encoding protocol.  In the strictest sense, we don't necessariy need binary... but our data will be really small and sent often... so binary seems like a good fit just for efficiency
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[09:33] dt665m: I guess from my quick research, handling tcp is really just figuring out (through protocol or otherwise) where the stream is supposed to start/end... and just handle the buffer's properly in node
[09:33] einaros: don't optimize unless you have to
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[09:34] einaros: and really, changing the encoder/decoder isn't much of a problem, if the rest of your architecture is sound
[09:34] dt665m: thats very true.  Any idea how all this stuff plays out, performance wise, with node?
[09:35] einaros: regarding the stream - either have a fixed message size (ugh), or have a separator (depends on the data and encoding. could be crlf, could be a more elaborate sequence, such as for chunked http transfers)
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[09:36] einaros: the perf depends on your data and architecture. start by writing a set of tests and benchmarks, and (loosely) aim to have an interchangable decoder / encoder
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[09:36] einaros: sounds like a good path to follow
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[09:37] dt665m: yeah, i'll be looking into that.  Thanks for the input.
[09:37] SubStack: is there a way to query whether process.stdin has been paused?
[09:38] SubStack: fs's ReadableStream sets this.pause but even though process.stdin is supposed to be a readable stream .paused doesn't seem to ever get set
[09:39] SubStack: even if I call .pause()!
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[09:47] dt665m: hey substack... from your packages/modules i'm going to assume  you have a great deal of experience working with binary data in node
[09:47] dt665m: some people say node is slow with binary... is this true? 
[09:48] dt665m: in practice?
[09:48] SubStack: is it?
[09:48] SubStack: I hadn't noticed
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[10:04] damiano: https://gist.github.com/1143705 too variable at the beginning? :-D
[10:04] damiano: ahha ;)
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[10:26] damiano: if i do:   req.session.bla = 'blablabla'   below it can i do req.session.sid ?
[10:26] damiano: .sid is available?
[10:28] SubStack: damiano: what are you using for session management?
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[10:29] damiano: connect-redis
[10:29] damiano: (express)
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[10:31] DrDetroit: ?
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[10:47] p0dp0d: Hi
[10:47] p0dp0d: wow, the last time i was on irc must be 20 years ago
[10:48] p0dp0d: I'm looking for some help on installing node.js
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[10:50] damiano: var authorized = exports.module = function(callback){... };
[10:50] damiano: is it correct?
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[10:50] damiano: i what to use that function inside the module...but also export it
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[10:52] p0dp0d: @damiano looks allright to me
[10:53] damiano: ok
[10:53] damiano: thank you
[10:53] p0dp0d: not sure though, about the var authorized in front of it
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[10:53] damiano: solved
[10:53] damiano: i done
[10:53] damiano: var authorized = function(callback){ ... }
[10:53] damiano: and then
[10:53] damiano: exports.authorized = authorized;
[10:54] damiano: :D
[10:54] p0dp0d: you're trying to use authorized as a variable inside your module and exporting the function at the same time? Is that it?
[10:54] p0dp0d: that looks better :)
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[10:55] p0dp0d: I get "Segmentation fault" when i run ./configure on a Debian 6.0.1 (runing on VPS)
[10:55] damiano: yes
[10:55] damiano: :)
[10:56] p0dp0d: both v0.4.10 and 0.5.4 of node
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[10:57] p0dp0d: i get the same when i run tool/waf-light manualy
[10:57] p0dp0d: clue anyone?
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[12:33] damiano: hi
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[12:35] S1r10n: not yet
[12:35] S1r10n: uh no that was socket.io
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[12:41] Raynos: There is a framework on node for writing applications as network graphs
[12:41] Raynos: I cant find it.
[12:41] Raynos: Does anyone know what it's called?
[12:42] damiano: one thing about session on express (connect-redis).... I used php before starting with node + express, i always used session_start() function at the beginning of the file to handle sessions.... my question is: do i have to use a "particular" function to "update" the sessions OR express does it automatically?
[12:42] Raynos: damiano: aslong as you have the session middleware it should just work
[12:43] damiano: ok
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[12:43] damiano: so if i have set maxAge at 900000 (15m) ti should update it each time the user request a page
[12:43] damiano: right?
[12:45] Raynos: Dont know
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[12:56] shipit: hi guys, I'm starting to develop on node.js, which linux distribution you guys prefer?
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[13:01] jetienne: shipit: any will do
[13:01] jetienne: shipit: it is distribution agnostic
[13:02] shipit: thx jetienne, I'm trying to choose between ubuntu and fedora
[13:02] Raynos: Does anyone know of the node library
[13:02] Raynos: that lets you write an application as a series of nodes and edges
[13:02] Raynos: and define input and output on these
[13:02] jetienne: shipit: personnaly i prefer ubuntu, but it personnal
[13:03] Nexxy: shipit, ubuntu
[13:03] Nexxy: there is no fedora
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[13:03] shipit: haha :)
[13:03] Nexxy: your choices are ubuntu and arch
[13:03] Nexxy: forget everything else unless you feel like debian
[13:04] Nexxy: or freebsd!
[13:04] Nexxy: but that's just masochistic
[13:04] jetienne: shipit: this is of no importance for node.js tho. for node they are all the same
[13:04] Nexxy: it kind of is
[13:04] Nexxy: although node.js doesn't really care 
[13:04] Nexxy: you're still going to have to administer the box and stuff
[13:04] shipit: Nexxy:  I used to be on gentoo
[13:04] Nexxy: oh
[13:04] Nexxy: well
[13:05] Nexxy: excuse me then
[13:05] Nexxy: I'll be seeing myself out
[13:05] jetienne: shipit: then go on use this one, it will work
[13:05] shipit: haha
[13:06] SubStack: curl -N 71.198.76.38:8081
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[13:11] fairwinds: hi. am making a middleware for express. All I need to do is strip a specific query param off. am using url.parse(req.url, parseQueryString=true) to grab url and examine query string. How do I remove it from request so it is not available when next() is called
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[13:13] TheJH: memcpy() isn't overlap-safe, right? does that mean that I can't use buffer.copy to copy stuff inside a buffer?
[13:15] TheJH: beware, the memcpy is a lie!!!
[13:16] TheJH: !git context joyent/node src/node_buffer.cc 450
[13:16] jhbot: 449   // need to use slightly slower memmove is the ranges might overlap
[13:16] jhbot: 450   memmove((void *)(target_data + target_start),
[13:16] jhbot: 451           (const void*)(source->data_ + source_start),
[13:16] TheJH: it's a memmove!
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[13:18] SubStack: curl -N 71.198.76.38:8081
[13:19] TheJH: SubStack, haha, cool! :)
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[13:25] wmage: Hello fellas. What be a good way to test my code that works with Redis without wiping my db every time?
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[13:27] p0dp0d: Hi. I'm trying to get node running on Debian 6.0.1 with python 2.6.7. I downloaded both version v0.4.10 and 0.5.4 of the tarball from nodejs.org. When i run ./configure all I get is "Segmentation fault". Any idea how I can fix this?
[13:27] TheJH: wmage, if you were using couch, the answer would be "truncate it after each test" :D
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[13:30] wmage: TheJH: I think I'll end up doing that.
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[13:30] wmage: Is there any nice guide on unit testing? can't seem to find anything.
[13:31] wmage: p0dp0d: I would try getting latest version of build environment. (compiler and stuff)
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[13:32] p0dp0d: wmage, thanks
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[13:34] JKarsrud: meh, pretty annoying that you need xcode tools to run install node on os x :/
[13:34] TheJH: wmage, truncate as in "save the old length of the db, perform tests, kill the db, truncate the db to its old length, restart couch
[13:35] TheJH: "
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[13:38] wmage: TheJH: Oh, cool! I wonder if I can do that with Redis.
[13:39] wmage: JKarsrud: There's stand-alone C tools for OS X that takes about 300MB.
[13:39] einaros: I really need to stop toying around with canvas before my cpu overheats
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[13:39] JKarsrud: wmage: really?
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[13:39] wmage: JKarsrud: https://github.com/kennethreitz/osx-gcc-installer
[13:39] JKarsrud: oh well, downloading xcode tools now, so doesn't really matter, would have to do it eventually anyway, so :P
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[13:40] JKarsrud: but thanks! 
[13:41] Clex: Do anyone know how to use this https://github.com/milani/node-gitwiki ?
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[13:44] p0dp0d: Looks like waf-light that the confiruge script for building node.js runs, throws a "segmentation fault" when trying to execute the line 'Import Scripting'. Is this a python problem?
[13:44] snicks: hello all. I need some help building in cygwin win7 x64.
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[13:52] snicks: Hello all. Is anyone here that can help building in cygwin win7 x64.
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[13:56] JKarsrud: wmage: ok, downloading the gcc installer now, internet sucks here, so I'll download xcode tools when I get back to my 50/50 line :P
[13:57] JKarsrud: snicks: I've done it before, but not on windows now, so I'm not sure I can help you that much
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[13:59] snicks: jkarsrud: ok. I'm sure my problem is specific to cygwin in windows. I'm getting the (common) unable to remap error and can't seem to resolve it
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[14:04] Raynos: How do I set variables for process.env ?
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[14:06] mrryanjohnston: Raynos: man npm-scripts
[14:06] mrryanjohnston: Raynos: you can set them in package.json then they are set with npm start
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[14:06] Raynos: why would I need to use npm for process.env ?
[14:07] mrryanjohnston: Raynos: I don't know if you necessarily _need_ to, but it works.
[14:07] Raynos: I was looking for `export NAME="..."`
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[14:07] mrryanjohnston: Raynos: that's the way I did it. Then I said screw that and put it in a separate config file.
[14:07] mrryanjohnston: Raynos: alright well good luck. 
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[14:08] Raynos: thanks :)
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[14:09] damiano: i'm using EJS where i do  <% if(error) { %> ...... <% } %> i get: "error is not defined"   (it's true, but i check the value with the IF statement, no?)
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[14:15] p0dp0d: damiano, where's this error supposed to originate from?
[14:16] damiano: p0dp0d,  in a .ejs
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[14:16] damiano: p0dp0d, very simple: https://gist.github.com/1143895
[14:16] sfoster: damiano: if its undefined you can't test its truthiness
[14:16] mrryanjohnston: damiano: you could to if(typeof test)
[14:17] mrryanjohnston: er, nevermind
[14:17] damiano: no qit one moment...i mean... if i do if(something)
[14:17] damiano: this something could be
[14:17] damiano: undefined, null
[14:17] damiano: but why i see this error? i check the variable before the print
[14:17] damiano: look at the code
[14:18] mrryanjohnston: damiano: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5070841/jade-template-engine-how-to-check-if-a-variable-exists
[14:18] damiano: i told you it's true becuase i never created a variable named "error" so. OK, the error is true, but why it prints?
[14:18] mrryanjohnston: damiano: see my link
[14:18] p0dp0d: could you define it
[14:18] p0dp0d: upfront as false?
[14:19] damiano:  if (typeof username !== "undefined") 
[14:19] damiano: yes i can define it...sure
[14:19] p0dp0d: i also get an error when i try to do if(something)
[14:19] damiano: ok ok
[14:19] damiano: my mmistake, thank you guys your comment are very apprecially
[14:19] damiano: (and excuse my english :) )
[14:20] mrryanjohnston: damiano: :) have fun
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[14:24] Raynos: What do people think of pascalcase npm module names?
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[14:24] Raynos: Are we allowed to complain to authors that their unusual pascalcasing is annoying I find `require("PascalCase")` rather annoying
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[14:25] damiano: ooh
[14:25] p0dp0d: In case anybody wonders: i just fixed my segmentation fault at ./configure by installing python 2.7.2
[14:25] damiano: one thing
[14:25] damiano: req.session.id = 10;	
[14:25] damiano: can i get the sid below it ?
[14:25] Bonuspunkt: dont care - require('ℙα﹩ḉαʟℭα﹩ε') 'd be annoying
[14:25] damiano: var id_session =  req.session.sid
[14:25] damiano: ?
[14:25] damiano: i continue to get undefined
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[14:26] wmage: Hey .. When I pass directory to nodeunit's reporters.default.run it doesn't run anything. When I pass files, it works. What am I doing wrong?
[14:27] tbranyen: wmage: afaik you need to use files
[14:27] tbranyen: at least thats how i've always done it
[14:27] wmage: I was trying to copy https://github.com/37signals/pow/blob/master/Cakefile#L60
[14:28] wmage: But when I run pow's test suite, it doesn't work so yeah I'll use files.
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[14:28] wmage: One more question. My test suite doesn't quit itself. I have to precc ^C. Is this normal?
[14:29] tbranyen: no
[14:29] wmage: hm
[14:29] wmage: I call test.done() in my test
[14:29] tbranyen: https://github.com/tbranyen/combyne.js/tree/master/test
[14:29] tbranyen: is how i'm using nodeunit
[14:29] tbranyen: index.js has my reporter
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[14:30] wmage: oh, that's cool
[14:30] tbranyen: and then in my Makefile i have: node ./test/index.js test
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[14:31] llrcombs: how can I give each side of a cube a different color?
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[14:33] wmage: tbranyen: Yeah I'll do something similar when I have many test files. (It's just one test right now)
[14:33] unomi: anyone using / tried out JinJs for templating?
[14:36] Deebster: llrcombs: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/470690/how-to-automatically-generate-n-distinct-colors is good
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[14:40] llrcombs: Deebster: I actually have the color set, I just need to know how to put the 6 colors on the sides of a cube
[14:40] wmage: hmthis little test hangs forever: http://pastie.org/2366136 anybody has an idea what could it be?
[14:41] wmage: createClient should be synchronous function
[14:41] llrcombs: also, I'd like to know how to make the edges be black, along with the sides being colored
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[14:42] wmage: and if I comment it out, it works
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[14:45] wmage: boom! calling @redis.quit in tearDown worked!
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[14:48] llrcombs: oh, wait, this is #node.js
[14:48] llrcombs: I wanted #three.js
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[14:48] llrcombs: my bad, I fail
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[14:52] Tom_: I was wondering, is there a way to set a master timeout to http connections in Express? Basically I don't want a connection to be open for longer than 15 minutes
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[14:53] Deebster: llrcombs: I wondered if you were using webgl
[14:53] Deebster: glad you're not :)
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[14:55] fille: hello my friends
[14:55] SubStack: hallo
[14:56] fille: wasup
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[14:58] fille: installing hook.io made my 
[14:58] fille: socket.io program dont work
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[15:28] Tom_: What usually causes a Broken Pipe error (EPIPE)? I'm getting this error but have no idea where to look as I do not know what could possibly cause it
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[15:37] mscdex: Tom_: http://www.wlug.org.nz/EPIPE
[15:38] wmage: blogged: http://thewebmage.wordpress.com/2011/08/13/improve-your-asynchronous-javascript-code/
[15:39] Tom_: mscdex: I guess there is no easy way to see where this read or write was attempted? 
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[15:46] mscdex: Tom_: are you using any modules or ?
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[15:47] Tom_: mscdex: this particular situation is related to two modules, but I'm also using streams and sockets in my own code
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[15:49] mrryanjohnston: what service are you guys using to host your node.js apps?
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[15:49] Tom_: mrryanjohnston: services? You normally use a server =)
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[15:50] mrryanjohnston: Tom_: I'd say something like nodester is a service ;)
[15:51] Tom_: mrryanjohnston: ah right, like a managed server provider
[15:52] mrryanjohnston: Tom_: correct. I was going through https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/hosting. I was just curious what everyone else used
[15:52] Tom_: afraid I can't help you, never used such services
[15:52] mrryanjohnston: Tom_: fair enough
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[15:54] mscdex: mrryanjohnston: look in this thread: http://groups.google.com/group/nodejs/browse_thread/thread/46e308032f28174b/
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[16:13] TheJH: wrote a little library on top of substacks: "curl -N 77.23.48.202:1232" (still has some bugs)
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[16:15] Deebster: I like it TheJH 
[16:15] TheJH: :)
[16:16] Deebster: although it reckons 0 connected people
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[16:16] TheJH: Deebster, if it was zero, the entire bar would be blue
[16:17] TheJH: Deebster, aren't the first two characters green for you?
[16:17] Deebster: oh I see, the 0 is just the scale marker
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[16:17] Deebster: yes, two green chars
[16:17] TheJH: :)
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[16:20] Nexxy: lewl
[16:20] Nexxy: TheJH, that borks my terminal's colors!
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[16:20] TheJH: Nexxy, yes, you'll have to reset them
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[16:21] Nexxy: is there no color reset escape code?
[16:21] Nexxy: lol
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[16:21] TheJH: Nexxy, when should I send it to you? After you've killed the conenction? :P
[16:21] TheJH: *connection
[16:21] Nexxy: after each screen refresh?
[16:21] Nexxy: idk
[16:21] Nexxy: lol
[16:21] Nexxy: I don't know how it's built
[16:21] TheJH: mhm, I probably could do that
[16:22] Nexxy: ;P
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[16:24] Deebster: there's no point sending it after the refresh as you'd be very unlikely to quit at that point, unless there's a pause after?
[16:24] Deebster: doesn't seem like there is
[16:24] TheJH: Deebster, there is
[16:26] TheJH: Nexxy, I tried it, but what I tried caused the entire screen to go blank after each update...
[16:26] Nexxy: nice!
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[16:35] fille: you should really fork me on github
[16:35] fille: i want to be populare
[16:36] odie5533: no, fork me!
[16:37] TheJH: fork me!
[16:37] mscdex: there used to be a site you could telnet to and watch star wars in ascii
[16:37] mscdex: :p
[16:37] TheJH: mscdex, I know, it still exists
[16:37] fille: fork meeeee
[16:37] mscdex: yay!
[16:37] TheJH: mscdex, looked at the beginning again today
[16:37] mscdex: that host has been around for ages
[16:38] fille: yepp i saw it back in junior high school
[16:38] mscdex: how long ago was that for you?
[16:38] fille: :blush
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[16:38] mscdex: :-)
[16:38] fille: i guess it was like 10 years ago
[16:39] fille: but i guess its been around  alot longer
[16:39] fille: anyway im building this cool mudclient
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[16:40] fille: and soon im going to implement a mapper
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[16:40] mscdex: i'm waiting for the day we see doom in the browser with multiplayer over websockets
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[16:41] mscdex: or quake 2
[16:41] fille: well that would be something
[16:42] odie5533: mscdex: it's called Quake Live
[16:42] fille: buts thats not a websockets
[16:42] odie5533: so?
[16:42] fille: its just an exstension
[16:43] odie5533: It's multiplayer quake in the browser
[16:43] fille: we talkin 3d canvas
[16:43] mscdex: yeah, but you need a special browser plugin for that
[16:43] mscdex: i'm talkin pure javascript + webgl + websockets
[16:43] odie5533: using actual OpenGL/Direct3D gives better quality I think?
[16:44] mscdex: well, webgl IS opengl es 2.0
[16:45] odie5533: I was playing CoD Black Ops earlier. Can WebGL handle that?
[16:46] mscdex: who cares about black ops anyway
[16:46] mscdex: we want good games :-)
[16:47] adrianmg: : )
[16:47] adrianmg: quake live rocks btw
[16:47] adrianmg: but the UI is HELL
[16:47] adrianmg: (on the web part)
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[16:48] fille: im sick of black ops and call of duty games
[16:48] fille: they have used the same game engine for like 4 games
[16:48] fille: milking the cow
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[16:51] joshthecoder: fille: looks like they are upgrading to the latest IW engine in MW3
[16:51] joshthecoder: I don't really care what engine a game uses, if it's fun cool.
[16:53] fille: i m more a BF 
[16:53] fille: with good sound enginiering
[16:53] TheJH: http://xkcd.com/484/
[16:54] fille: lol
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[16:55] fille: true,  i mean yeti sports
[16:55] fille: albatros overload
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[17:03] tuhoojabotti: TheJH: Lol, I'm just playing a game on Google+ ;D
[17:03] tuhoojabotti: it's flash
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[17:11] demod: hi there, i come from the wiki page because i'd install nod on centos .5.5 python 2.4. after i ran ./configure i got /root/local/joyent-node-a38bda9/wscript: error: Traceback (most recent call last):   File "/root/local/joyent-node-a38bda9/tools/wafadmin/Utils.py", line 274, in load_module     exec(compile(code, file_path, 'exec'), module.__dict__)  File "/root/local/joyent-node-a38bda9/wscript", line 222   "-pre" if node_is_release ==
[17:11] demod: i'm missing some thing, what?
[17:11] demod: please help
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[17:12] demod: ???
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[17:13] TheJH: demod, yould you please put the full error message on https://gist.github.com/ and send us the link?
[17:13] TheJH: *could
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[17:14] demod: TheJH: i can but: 1) where i put the error msg? 2) can i install node on my system?
[17:14] jeromegn: I'm trying to console.log an object in node (actually, with phantomjs) and I'm getting [object Object], any way to ensure I don't get that?
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[17:15] TheJH: demod, as I said, please put it on gist.github.com
[17:15] TheJH: demod, click "new gist" or so
[17:15] odie5533: jeromegn: You should set the object's constructor name property
[17:15] woodiz: Wouldnt it be great if there was a asking for help link on top of the chat.. that told everyone these things like posting to complete errror msg on gist...
[17:15] TheJH: jeromegn, try JSON.stringify(myObject)
[17:15] odie5533: jeromegn: e.g. var foo = {}; foo.prototype.constructor = {name:'Foo'};
[17:16] TheJH: woodiz, true
[17:16] jeromegn: yea that's best practice, I'm just logging it for the testing though…
[17:16] woodiz: TheJH, who could fix it?
[17:16] demod: TheJH: git://gist.github.com/1144051.git
[17:16] mscdex: jeromegn: console.dir(obj);
[17:16] TheJH: woodiz, I'd ask ryah
[17:17] woodiz: ok I will do
[17:17] TheJH: demod, I'd guess that your python version is too old (but I'm not an expert on that)
[17:18] mscdex: demod: what version of node are you trying to compile?
[17:18] demod: TheJH:so, i must have python 2.6?
[17:18] TheJH: demod, I don't know
[17:18] demod: mscdex: centos 5.5. python 2.4
[17:19] demod: # python -V (Python 2.4.3) 
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[17:22] demod: sorry, what are the system requirements in order to build node on centos? I 
[17:23] AvianFlu: jermegn: you want console.log(util.inspect(obj))
[17:23] mscdex: demod: i asked what version of _node_ are you trying to compile
[17:23] AvianFlu: note: must require('util')
[17:24] mscdex: AvianFlu: console.dir(obj) does the same ;-)
[17:25] mscdex: demod: according to the installation page on the wiki, you need python 2.6 or higher i guess
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[17:27] demod: mscdex: yes , i already seen it. now i have python 2.4.3 and python26 on my system. but, how can i tell to node builder what python shoud use?
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[17:28] mscdex: demod: an easy way would be to create ~/bin and add a symlink to python26 in ~/bin called 'python', and add ~/bin to your $PATH before anything else
[17:29] tuhoojabotti: TheJH: http://not.vlambeer.com/luftrauser/
[17:29] TheJH: tuhoojabotti, eww, flash
[17:29] AvianFlu: mscdex: I think that console.dir() only calls util.inspect with default args, whereas you can have it do funky stuff directly
[17:29] AvianFlu: I may be wrong though
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[17:31] tuhoojabotti: TheJH: It's awesome :D
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[17:32] demod: mscdex: i can try. but what if centos based some of its system on python 2.4? something shoud go wrong
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[17:34] mscdex: AvianFlu: yeah it doesn't add args, but for most uses it's good enough for basic inspection
[17:34] AvianFlu: yeah, agreed
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[17:35] mscdex: demod: i doubt anything in the system would break between 2.4 -> 2.6
[17:35] AvianFlu: I would also be quite surprised by that if anything broke
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[17:36] demod: mscdex: i'm trying
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[17:38] Malvolio: Hey, does anybody know how to tell the configure script to call python "python2.6" -- on CentOS, "python" necessarily refers to Python2.4, which won't build Node.
[17:38] mscdex: Malvolio: an easy way would be to create ~/bin and add a symlink to python26 in ~/bin called 'python', and add ~/bin to your $PATH before anything else
[17:39] mscdex: :-)
[17:39] Malvolio: That makes sense.  I tried aliasing -- that didn't work at all.
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[17:40] mscdex: :S
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[17:40] Malvolio: Actually, it would be good practice even without Node.  I hate accidentally starting up 2.4.
[17:40] AvianFlu: I hate that python has done so much breaking shit between minor versions
[17:41] AvianFlu: it's just such a common concern
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[17:41] mscdex: i don't know if that's really the issue, it's probably that something specific to newer versions of python is being used now for building
[17:41] mscdex: because until recently 2.4.x could be used
[17:41] demod: mscdex: it works! now is building :D
[17:41] mscdex: demod: cool
[17:42] Malvolio: The particular problem is that waf uses x =  a if c else b
[17:42] Malvolio: which is a 2.6 construct
[17:43] Malvolio: (Yeah, what kind of loon injects a huge language feature like comprehensions in a .x release?)
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[17:43] mscdex: well, python problems should be going away with the use of gyp in 0.5/0.6
[17:43] Malvolio: gyp?
[17:44] mscdex: http://code.google.com/p/gyp/
[17:44] mscdex: it's what the chrome/chromium team uses to build their browser for each platform
[17:44] mscdex: iirc
[17:44] mscdex: it generates the makefiles, msvc sln/projects, etc
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[17:47] mscdex: i'm not sure what version of python gyp requires though
[17:47] pquerna: i was gonna say, python problems will still be there.. as gyp is in python :)
[17:47] pquerna: though hopefully this is the last build system rewrite for node
[17:47] mscdex: pquerna: but maybe gyp is compatible with 2.4 at least
[17:47] pquerna: yes, it should be
[17:48] mscdex: which eases the pain some ;-)
[17:48] AvianFlu: it's still loony how much code I've seen break over needing 2.4 or >2.4
[17:48] pquerna: poor souls sitll running RHEL
[17:48] mscdex: heh
[17:48] AvianFlu: almost as funny as the fact that there's a python 3 that nobody uses
[17:48] mscdex: i use centos for some machines, but not rhel
[17:49] Malvolio: I just want to make the obvious point that you could use Node/V8/Javascript instead of Python for all this.
[17:50] demod: @pquerna: poor souls are use specialized program on centos (like Asterisk)
[17:50] pquerna: 2.4 was released in 2004
[17:50] Malvolio: Except for a Nodejs installer of course.
[17:50] pquerna: demod: poor souls using asterisk :(
[17:50] pquerna: rewriting asterisk in node.js -> hot
[17:50] mscdex: heh
[17:50] pquerna: well, a SIP implemenation would be a good start
[17:50] mscdex: that would be a huge undertaking
[17:51] Malvolio: Ooh, that's a good idea.
[17:51] pquerna: mscdex: http://journal.paul.querna.org/articles/2006/03/27/why-sip-sucks/
[17:51] Malvolio: Actually is there a Node.js implementation of XMPP?
[17:51] pquerna: i used to work on sip stuff. sigh.
[17:51] Malvolio: Uh, I suppose I could google for that...
[17:51] AvianFlu: I think I saw one on the mailing list last week
[17:51] TheJH: !@Malvolio npm search xmpp
[17:51] jhbot: Malvolio, packages (short format): xmpp-client, xmpp-muc, junction, node-xmpp-bosh, node-xmpp-via-bosh, bots, node-xmpp, simple-xmpp
[17:52] Malvolio: :=O
[17:52] Malvolio: I don't know how to ask this question delicately but, are the packages any good?
[17:52] mscdex: heh
[17:52] CIA-65: node: 03Fedor Indutny 07master * rc0d8311 10/ doc/api/tls.markdown : 
[17:52] CIA-65: node: small NPN doc fix
[17:52] CIA-65: node: Fixes #1522. - http://bit.ly/peQl0E
[17:53] demod: all: Build failed! git://gist.github.com/1144084.git
[17:53] gbot2: demod: spidermonkey: Error: SyntaxError: missing ; before statement:  Build failed! git://gist.github.com/1144084.git  ......^ 
[17:53] TheJH: no idea :D
[17:53] indutny: thanks
[17:53] mscdex: Malvolio: i'd give https://github.com/astro/node-xmpp a try
[17:53] TheJH: broken commit?
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[17:54] pquerna: Malvolio: when a package has a name with the word simple and its a horribly complex protocol, of course its good :D
[17:54] tprice: hey all can someone give a hand. https://gist.github.com/0935445db7b0768804ea on line 35 i keep getting "ReferenceError"
[17:54] tprice: and this is what the test run looks like https://gist.github.com/f07577821b76bb2974b6
[17:55] Malvolio: People who don't get woken up by their bosses at 2 in the morning wanted know  why the chat server is down can make jokes ...
[17:55] mscdex: tprice: it says "parmas" and not "params" in your second link there
[17:55] demod: https://gist.github.com/1144084.js
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[17:56] mscdex: demod: you have to paste the entire output
[17:56] Malvolio: Oh, and @mscdex -- astro's node-xmpp looks like *client-side*.
[17:56] mscdex: demod: the actual errors are above that
[17:56] mscdex: Malvolio: i thought that's what you were asking for
[17:57] Malvolio: Thanks, but nope, looking for the server side.
[17:57] tprice: <mscdex> lol i can see through my own eyes
[17:57] tprice: thanks!
[17:57] demod: mscdex: the make end with that message
[17:57] mscdex: demod: right, but please post the entire output anyway
[17:58] demod: ok
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[17:59] demod: mscdex: updated https://gist.github.com/1144084.js
[18:00] mscdex: looks like your system doesn't support sync_file_range
[18:01] mscdex: demod: what does `uname -a` give?
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[18:03] demod: mscdex: Linux crm.local 2.6.18-194.el5 #1 SMP Fri Apr 2 14:58:35 EDT 2010 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[18:03] mscdex: hrmm
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[18:03] mscdex: demod: and you are building node v0.4.10 or ?
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[18:04] demod: mscdex: maybe yes. https://github.com/joyent/node/tarball/master
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[18:04] mscdex: oh, that's 0.5
[18:04] demod: mscdex: or not?
[18:05] demod: mscdex :D
[18:07] dob_: hello guys, i am new to node.js and want to build a application which can output data as html (with express) and output it as webservice for a native iphone application. Will i have to create a separate server for that or can i just do something like change the view?
[18:07] dob_: just asking cause i have no idea what's the best practice for something like that
[18:09] pifantastic: Anyone have a module recommendation (aside from jsdom) for parsing and traversing HTML?
[18:09] guybrush: dob_: you will need a computer + connection
[18:09] pifantastic: jsdom's memory woes are causing my problems
[18:09] pifantastic: me*
[18:09] Malvolio: @mscdex -- thanks, re-installed Node, NPM, and gitteh (apparently) successfully.
[18:10] demod: mscdex: sorry, i start to building 4.10
[18:10] dob_: guybrush: Alright, then i have anything i need.
[18:10] dob_: and then back to my question ;-)
[18:10] guybrush: dob_: ah lol i think i got your question now :D you mean routing?
[18:11] mscdex: dob_: you can do both in the same node instance
[18:11] guybrush: you dont have to run multiple server for separate routes if thats is what you want?
[18:12] dob_: Also if i use express? Thought with the express server i could only output normal html stuff.... I thought for rest services i should use the webservices module which creates also a new server. Isn't that correct?
[18:13] mscdex: dob_: you should be able to output whatever you want with express, not just html
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[18:13] guybrush: you can do REST pretty good with express
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[18:14] guybrush: express is nothing but connect+features and connect is nothing but the node http-server + features (most notable the middleware-style)
[18:14] xastey: how would one go by debuging and app in an ide (phpstrom/webide)
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[18:14] AvianFlu: xastey: put util.debug() statements all over the place and watch the output! XD
[18:14] dob_: ah alright, then i will try that! Thank you guys for answering my question.
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[18:16] xastey: hehe AvianFlu
[18:16] xastey: been doing that
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[18:16] teknopaul: dob_:  isntall eclipse https://github.com/teknopaul/node-launcher/wiki/Features
[18:16] AvianFlu: xastey: it depends on what kind of debugging you're trying to do
[18:17] teknopaul: eclispe has a fully fledged node debugger
[18:17] xastey: normal debuging, vars, step-in etc
[18:17] AvianFlu: there's a node debugger, and there's an app called node-inspector on npm that can help you
[18:17] AvianFlu: the idea with node-inspector is that you'd start your script in debug mode, like node --debug myscript.js
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[18:17] AvianFlu: and then you run node-inspector, and you tell it to connect to the debug port, and it gives you webkit-esque debugging console in browser
[18:18] AvianFlu: for a node app
[18:18] xastey: i'll check that out
[18:18] AvianFlu: node-inspector would be running on port X, and you'd give it the debug port for your node app in the query string
[18:18] AvianFlu: there are decent docs for it somewhere but it's escaping me atm
[18:18] dob_: teknopaul: thanks for that tip. Looks great!
[18:19] teknopaul: you need to install  eclipseJS
[18:19] mscdex: ew java!
[18:19] mscdex: :-D
[18:19] teknopaul: ;)
[18:19] xastey: looks nice AvianFlu
[18:19] xastey: thanks
[18:19] AvianFlu: np!
[18:19] teknopaul: yeah man you should check the code, sorely needs lamda functions :)  but its what we got for now
[18:20] teknopaul: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/using-eclipse-as-node-applications-debugger
[18:20] teknopaul: is a good guide to the v8 debugging bit
[18:21] xastey: just hope its possible to have an debug session when another client connects.. say from another node.js app
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[18:22] teknopaul: You can only have one debug session per v8 instance
[18:23] teknopaul: once the first one cnnects others are prevented
[18:23] teknopaul: If that's what you mean
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[18:26] AvianFlu: teknopaul: but you can have one debug session and regular sessions too, no?
[18:26] mendel_: how do you guys convert lat/long to an actual address?
[18:26] AvianFlu: i.e. nothing prevents the app from functioning as it would
[18:26] mendel_: can use the google maps api but there's a limit + must be use the to show it on a gmap
[18:26] AvianFlu: mendel_ I think you'd need a big DB of locations, your own map, or somebody else's api
[18:27] mendel_: I totally agree ;)
[18:27] teknopaul: AvianFlu:  yeah
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[18:27] AvianFlu: maybe take a gigantic image file of a mercator projection and extrapolate lat,lon into pixels? XD
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[18:37] TheJH: mendel_, maybe you could use an openstreetmap-rawdump or so
[18:37] TheJH: :D
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[18:38] desaiu: I'm trying to use this data: http://pastebin.com/a9y0N85A called package.json, and this is my attempt to import it from the node repl file: http://pastebin.com/EyLw723r What am I doing wrong?
[18:38] kaarlo: i'm using express and jade. i render the view like res.render('index', { x: 'test' }); - can i somehow access the x at client side javascript?
[18:38] TheJH: kaarlo, only if you somehow insert x into the page
[18:39] TheJH: desaiu, try JSON.parse(fs.readFileSync('./package.json'))
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[18:39] kaarlo: TheJH: appears i cant insert it into the script element
[18:40] desaiu: fs i denied
[18:40] desaiu: fs is denied
[18:40] mendel_: TheJH: good idea.. I'm now downloading a dump of my region (1.2gb.. not as bad as the total 250gb)
[18:40] TheJH: desaiu, first do "fs = require('fs')"
[18:41] mendel_: https://simplegeo.com/ could be a option too
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[18:42] kaarlo: TheJH: or could be that it is working.. just a bit weird :) looking into it bit more, thanks :)
[18:44] desaiu: That worked TheJH 
[18:44] desaiu: Thank you!
[18:44] kaarlo: heh, source looks now like: "var x = [object Object],[object Object].."
[18:44] TheJH: kaarlo, use JSON.stringify() on the server to convert the objects to strings
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[18:48] AvianFlu: desaiu: advice: JSON.parse() is a synchronous operation that can 'throw', and it's a very strict JSON parser, so putting it in a try/catch is a good idea
[18:49] kaarlo: TheJH: thank you alot :)
[18:49] AvianFlu: in actual scripts I mean, in the REPL it doesn't make much of a difference
[18:49] TheJH: desaiu, also, don't use readFileSync in actual scripts
[18:50] desaiu: What should I use then?
[18:50] TheJH: desaiu, fs.readFile
[18:50] AvianFlu: it takes a callback function as its last argument, and it calls the callback function when the file read is completed
[18:51] AvianFlu: in the sync version, your whole process waits until the read is completed - the async version, you get to run other code while you wait for the OS
[18:51] AvianFlu: i.e. other people's HTTP requests
[18:53] desaiu: Thank you TheJH and AvianFlu, very much
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[18:54] desaiu: I'm trying to access a php page that renders a json file, is there a package that handles php?
[18:55] desaiu: I'm sorry if it's a dumb question
[18:55] desaiu: npm search php shows nothing 
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[18:56] teknopaul: desaiu: what are you tring to do
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[18:56] teknopaul: php just replys json over HTTP right?
[18:56] desaiu: https://mtgox.com/api/0/data/getTrades.php
[18:56] desaiu: I'm fetching that page
[18:56] teknopaul: just use the HTTP Client
[18:56] TheJH: bitcoin :/
[18:56] teknopaul: the fact that the server uses php is irrelevant AFAICS
[18:57] AvianFlu: yeah, the PHP gives you JSON, which means that you need to worry about JSON
[18:57] teknopaul: or am I missing something here?
[18:57] AvianFlu: how the JSON got made is the JSON's problem XD
[18:57] desaiu: teknopaul: http client, you mean my browser?
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[18:57] teknopaul: well any browser
[18:58] teknopaul: if you want to access it in node use nodes http client
[18:58] AvianFlu: to get JSON from somewhere on the web for use in a node script, use node's http lib or use mikeal's request lib
[18:58] AvianFlu: npm install request I think, might be easier than straight http lib if this is all new to you
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[18:58] teknopaul: Eclipse Git Plugin Update Site - http://download.eclipse.org/egit/updates-nightly
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[18:59] teknopaul: ooops that was the wrong copy paste
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[19:00] teknopaul: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.5.0/api/all.html#http.get
[19:00] desaiu: I love you guys, thank you so much!
[19:00] teknopaul: but AvianFlus request lib might be better thats just the node way of doing things
[19:01] AvianFlu: it's not mine, it's mikeal's, lol
[19:02] AvianFlu: basically node's http lib is for both clients and servers, whereas `request` is a simplified client api
[19:02] desaiu: I have to leave now because my laptop is running low on battery, and I want to keep the web pages available
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[19:02] desaiu: Thank you again
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[19:11] fille: no swedes in here?
[19:12] AvianFlu: I'm not one, but I'm pretty sure there are a few
[19:13] AvianFlu: Node.js is everywhere, it's almost a little creepy
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[19:14] mscdex: demod: did you ever get node compiled?
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[19:17] mscdex: yay, my first libuv patch!
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[19:18] fille: i feel lonley here in sweden
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[19:22] mscdex: is there a mailing list for libuv somewhere or should i just use nodejs-dev ?
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[19:30] CIA-65: libuv: 03Igor Zinkovsky 07master * rda4e864 10/ vcbuild.bat : vcbuild.bat for building libuv with msbuild - http://bit.ly/oRqp4d
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[19:47] metaverse: How can I set socket options for a tcp server in node? (specifically  SO_RCVBUF)
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[19:48] TheJH: metaverse, what does that flag do?
[19:50] metaverse: TheJH: I want to enforce the receive buffer to 65,535 octets. This is the default in the TCP/IP standard but it's possible to change it.
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[19:55] TheJH: metaverse, maybe you could patch src/node_net.cc and the corresponding .js file and send a pull request? I think that it's not possible at the moment
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[19:58] metaverse: TheJH: I'd be really glad to! Unfortunately I'm not very good at all with c++ and I have no idea how node works internally :P But I'll take a look at it.
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[20:00] metaverse: TheJH: Is there any guide to node.js development? Or do I just modify files, configure and make install?
[20:01] |Freeman|: anyone of you has knowledge of how i could setup node.js with socket.io and express framework on windows? :)
[20:02] TheJH: metadaddy_, and "make test" :D https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Contributing
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[20:09] augustl: is there a built in way of merging two objects in Node, other than doing it by hand?
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[20:11] metaverse: TheJH: What about a generic setsockopt function which would allow you to tweak any TCP parameters?
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[20:11] TheJH: metaverse, would probably be a good idea
[20:11] chjj: augustl, if they were created using object literal syntax, and you dont care if the properties are own properties or now
[20:11] chjj: you can to obj.__proto__ = obj;
[20:11] chjj: or
[20:11] chjj: obj1.__proto__ = obj2;
[20:12] augustl: I see, tnx
[20:12] metaverse: TheJH: Maybe I should ask ryah?
[20:12] chjj: but only use that if you dont care about the prototype of obj1
[20:12] ryah: ?
[20:12] TheJH: metaverse, or suggest it in a github "issue"
[20:14] metaverse: ryah: Hey! I want to set some TCP parameters through the "setsockopt" function available in both windows and unix. Is this possible in node? If not, could I make a pull request for it?
[20:14] ryah: metaverse: hey. we don't currently have a good interface for that - but you're welcome to add it to libuv
[20:15] ryah: metaverse: i would just ask that you include a new test which exercises them
[20:15] metaverse: ryah: Specifically I want to set "SO_RCVBUF" to 65,535
[20:15] ryah: metaverse: that should be doable windows has OS_RCVBUF and setsockopt
[20:16] metaverse: ryah: Yeah I just need a way to do it in node :P I'll give it a try through a pull request :P Thanks.
[20:17] ryah: metaverse: int uv_setsockopt(uv_stream_t*, int level, int optname, const char *optval, int optlen)
[20:17] ryah: metaverse: and define UV_SOL_SOCKET, UV_SO_RCVBUF
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[20:19] ryah: metaverse: you need to agree to our contributor agreement as well http://nodejs.org/cla.html
[20:19] metaverse: ryah: I'm probably not the right guy to do this, but I'll do my best.
[20:19] metaverse: ok
[20:19] ryah: should be pretty easy
[20:20] ryah: we wrap these interfaces for better x-platform control
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[20:23] metaverse: ryah: Ok. I'll give it a try right now. Which file(s) do you think I need to work in?
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[20:24] TheJH: metaverse, src/net.cc and one of the net files in lib
[20:24] TheJH: probably not the legacy one
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[20:25] ryah: metaverse: https://github.com/joyent/libuv/blob/65f71a20391b1ac4651bda8bd95e8924b8a14a21/include/uv.h
[20:25] ryah: just do the libuv interface - we'll do the rest
[20:26] ryah: with test
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[20:26] ryah: setsockopt / getsockopt is a good enough test
[20:26] ryah: just to exercise the function
[20:26] metaverse: ryah: aah thanks! 
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[20:27] metaverse: Do I need/should I make these functions "available" in the JS api?
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[20:28] ryah: metaverse: if you do the libuv implemention the rest is easy for us to do
[20:28] metaverse: ryah: cool
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[20:31] demod: mscdex: now it's ok, i did this http://d.hatena.ne.jp/motsat/201108 . CentOS5, node-v0.5.3 and socket.io@0.7.9
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[20:48] kilian_: hi to all, this is my first time here, do i need to read some netiquette manifest or something similar?
[20:50] augustl: netiquette =D
[20:50] zmbmartin: Anyone else using mongolian(mongodb and gridfs) and seeing this error --> BSONElement: bad type 97
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[20:50] augustl: kilian_: rule of thumb, if /topic doesn't say anything about that, you shouldn't have to consider it
[20:51] kilian_: ok :)
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[20:52] kilian_: i have a question about the pattern to follow developing my server, augustl can i explain to you my problem?
[20:53] TheJH: kilian_, everywhere on freenode, some general rules apply, but you normally won't have to think about them (e.g. no warez or so)
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[20:53] TheJH: kilian_, another rule of thumb, don't ask if you can ask or so :)
[20:53] kilian_: DATA :) 
[20:54] augustl: and ask the channel, not me <3
[20:54] augustl: I'm good, but not that good.
[20:54] kilian_: ok ok !
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[20:56] kilian_: i'm developing a tcp server, basically a client connects and sends messages to server and to other clients (a chat), and clients can sends raw data to other clients
[20:56] kilian_: i'm searching a pattern for parallelize the upload download between clients
[20:57] TheJH: kilian_, you mean, you want to mix the client-data-stream with other data?
[20:57] kilian_: the first thought was: i need to split data in packets
[20:59] kilian_: TheJH i mean something like skype, (i'am not writing skype but it's a good example), messages + file transfer
[20:59] kilian_: i should parallelize uploads
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[20:59] TheJH: kilian_, either use multiple connections or send length- and meaning-prefixed buffers or so
[20:59] augustl: so you're wondering how to write a protocol that supports both chat messages and raw data transfer?
[20:59] kilian_: so i written a explode + queue stream
[21:01] kilian_: augustl i know how to do that, i don't know what is the best for me, multiple connections or mono connection
[21:01] kilian_: TheJH yes you centered the problem
[21:01] augustl: I guess the answer is simple if you want to support chatting at the same time as file transfering
[21:01] augustl: I'm no pro, but connection multitasking sounds strange
[21:02] TheJH: augustl, I think it's called multiplexing and for short, high-speed transfers, it's a very good idea
[21:02] augustl: I see
[21:03] kilian_: in my mind the first sketch was: Message + attachment => packeting system => packet queue
[21:03] TheJH: augustl, e.g. http suffers from many connections that need to "heat up"
[21:04] TheJH: kilian_, I'd do packets with a structure like length+streamid+data
[21:04] kilian_: why streamid?
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[21:04] kilian_: do you mean message-id ?
[21:04] tylergillies_: anyone know a database like sqlite but stores the data in JSON?
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[21:05] xerox: mongodb
[21:05] xerox: doesn't actually, but it's very similar to json :)
[21:06] tbranyen: like sqlite but stores data in JSON ,wat
[21:06] tbranyen: they aren't comparable
[21:06] tbranyen: heh
[21:06] TheJH: kilian_, well, if you have packets vor various streams, you have to be able which stream a message belongs to, no?
[21:06] tylergillies_: by "like sqlite" i meana file based database
[21:06] augustl: tylergillies_: so not a SQL db that persists with JSON?
[21:06] TheJH: tylergillies, couch? one file per database, I think
[21:07] tylergillies_: i was thinking couch, but thats a little heavy for that i want
[21:07] tylergillies_: im looking at jasondb website haven't looked into much though
[21:07] tylergillies_: s/that i want/what i want/
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[21:08] kilian_: in node i have a stream object per connection so i know the sender of packet, wrong?
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[21:13] kilian_: splitting the attachment in chunks and deliver them to the right client is an hard work…. while pipeing the 2 clients with a new connections is very simple
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[21:14] tylergillies_: augustl <- what would be a sql db that persists with json?
[21:15] augustl: a db with a SQL interface that stored the data with JSON
[21:15] augustl: which would be a completely crazy thing  to have :)
[21:15] tylergillies_: augustl <- oh i thought you had an example ;)
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[21:17] TheJH: tylergillies, augustl, sqlite with one big table with numeric autoincrement primary key and large blob as the only two fields? should work :P
[21:18] kilian_: ye but you have to write you own search language :)
[21:19] TheJH: kilian_, or one table key->id per keytype :D
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[21:19] TheJH: 
ACTION expects some sql-fanatic guy to jump at me with a knife in the hand right now

[21:19] tylergillies_: lol
[21:19] tylergillies_: i doubt you'll find too many sql fanatics in a javascript channel
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[21:20] kilian_: i'am sql fanatic
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[21:20] augustl: I read an article about a system that mostly did primary key lookups, where the bottleneck was SQL parsing
[21:20] kilian_: so gimme a knife :)
[21:20] augustl: so they wrote an interface directly to InnoDB to skip the parsing.
[21:21] jhbot: kilian_, take mine *hehehee*
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[21:21] TheJH: augustl, that's kinda crazy
[21:22] metaverse: ryah: Learning a lot right now by looking at the source. Should UV_SOL_SOCKET be any value or should it be the same as in UNIX?
[21:22] augustl: TheJH: I think it's cool :)
[21:22] metaverse: ryah: It seams it could be any value, but I just want to make sure I'm following your convention.
[21:22] TheJH: augustl, isn't that often the same?
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[21:24] augustl: =D
[21:24] augustl: think this is the one http://yoshinorimatsunobu.blogspot.com/2010/10/using-mysql-as-nosql-story-for.html
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[21:24] damiano: hello
[21:25] skampler: hi
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[21:27] damiano: someone use connect-redis for sessions ?
[21:27] mendel_: guys how would you do this: I have different folders, in each folder there is a static html file, each folder must have a seperate subdomain
[21:27] mendel_: I should use something like node-static or node-paperboy
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[21:28] TheJH: mendel_, do you also have dynamic stuff?
[21:28] mendel_: it's all dynamic 
[21:28] TheJH: mendel_, static html files aren't dynamic, I think :D
[21:29] mendel_: sorry, the folders are dynamic (so I don't know which subdomains/folders)
[21:29] mendel_: the files itself are static yeah
[21:29] augustl: mendel_: it's quite simple to read the Host header and query the file system
[21:30] TheJH: mendel_, if you only have static stuff, node probably isn't the best solution
[21:30] augustl: TheJH: why is that?
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[21:31] TheJH: augustl, because node isn't as fast as other stuff for serving files or so
[21:31] mendel_: proxy node-http-proxy with a wildcard on a subdomain to a nodes instance, there check the host header and serve it with node-static
[21:31] mendel_: thnx
[21:31] TheJH: mendel_, that sounds just wrong
[21:31] TheJH: mendel_, at least omit the proxy thing
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[21:31] mendel_: there are more things running on that server
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[21:32] mendel_: so I have to
[21:32] TheJH: mendel_, maybe use express or so?
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[21:34] |Freeman|: i am trying to install socket.io using node/npm for windows package but i get this error, anyone can help? http://i.imgur.com/ky72Z.png
[21:34] TheJH: |Freeman|, npm doesn't really work with windows yet, I think
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[21:36] xerox: maybe you could just export HOME="C:\..."
[21:36] |Freeman|: TheJH: if npm doesn't work, how can i handle library dependecies? i want to learn socket.io but i can't get anyway to install it
[21:36] xerox: or the equivalent of export on windows/cygwin
[21:36] TheJH: xerox, that's "set", I think
[21:36] |Freeman|: xerox: what does export do?
[21:36] xerox: set an env variable
[21:37] TheJH: |Freeman|, is your windows username "Freeman"?
[21:37] |Freeman|: TheJH: yes
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[21:38] |Freeman|: and i have very limited (almost zero) node knowledge, i only managed to run a script in the bin folder untill now
[21:38] |Freeman|: i have no ideea how to install or use modules without npm
[21:38] TheJH: |Freeman|, the easiest way would probably be to use it in a linux vm
[21:39] metaverse: TheJH: I'm trying to test if my modifications works but "make test" after my additions. Could you help me parse this error message? https://gist.github.com/1144272
[21:39] japj: |Freeman|: you can try using https://github.com/japj/ryppi to install node modules on windows (it is a python script, so you will need to install that)
[21:40] metaverse: TheJH: make test fails*
[21:40] japj: |Freeman|: it could also be that you need to upgrade to a newer npm version
[21:40] |Freeman|: japj: thanks i'll take a look
[21:40] japj: |Freeman|:  npm is at 1.0.24 atm
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[21:41] japj: |Freeman|:  you have 1.0.6 installed, so that is "ancient" :)
[21:41] |Freeman|: japj: i understand but, it is hard to get precompiled packages including node and npm and also being recent :)
[21:41] tylergillies_: anyone know if you can do pouchdb to pouchdb replication? or do you need a couch in there?
[21:41] TheJH: metaverse, your knowledge of C seems to be better than mine :D
[21:41] japj: |Freeman|:  is that a cygwin based build of node you are using?
[21:41] |Freeman|: japj: yes
[21:42] TheJH: metaverse, in your first typedef, the last line has a trailing comma
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[21:42] TheJH: metaverse, I know nearly nothing about C syntax, but that could be it
[21:42] japj: |Freeman|:  node for windows is currently reworked heavily in the 0.5.x series, but it is a 'unstable'/development version atm
[21:43] |Freeman|: japj: btw, how does np work... does it get the module from internet or do i need to place the module somewhere before running the cmd?
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[21:43] metaverse: TheJH: haha, I haven't done any C in 3 years. I got exactly the same error when trying to compile node 0.5 on my mbp earlier today, it's not very descriptive :P
[21:43] japj: |Freeman|:  npm fetches modules from the npm registry, it also determines any version/submodule dependencies and resolves that (and fetches dependencies recursively)
[21:44] normelton: i'm subscribing to a redis event feed using the node_redis module. when an error occurs, my error handler is getting fired, but subsequent events are not being received?
[21:44] normelton: is it possible to resume parsing redis events after an error occurs?
[21:44] |Freeman|: japj: is that registry online?
[21:44] TheJH: metaverse, in my whole life, I've never written more than 100 lines of C, I think
[21:44] TheJH: s/never/not/
[21:44] TheJH: |Freeman|, yes
[21:45] TheJH: |Freeman|, http://search.npmjs.org/
[21:45] metaverse: TheJH: I just use high level languages. After doing 30 lines of c now, it's not that bad as one might think :P
[21:46] |Freeman|: TheJH: so typing npm install socket.io should install socket.io module and all modules it depend on from the internet... ?
[21:46] TheJH: |Freeman|, exactly
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[21:46] metaverse: TheJH: trying to serach for the error on google, the only thing that shows up is my gist :O
[21:47] chjj: i love it when i accidentaly checkout master without commiting changes to a test branch
[21:47] chjj: it ruins my day real good
[21:47] TheJH: metaverse, maybe you should ask for help again, but not direct that message to me?
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[21:47] |Freeman|: TheJH: hmm, i could install node in a vm but that would take a lot, installing linux, getting used to commands, terminal etc
[21:47] metaverse: TheJH: Yeah, I think it's a 64 bit issue though. but thanks! :D
[21:47] TheJH: chjj, why? you'll just get a "can't merge, aborting checkout" message, right?
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[21:50] metaverse: Anyone been able to develop node.js in Lion yet? I'm getting errors as shown here: https://gist.github.com/1144272
[21:51] |Freeman|: TheJH: is there any way to install the modules manually?
[21:53] CIA-65: node: 03Thomas Shinnick 07master * r59b815b 10/ test/common.js : test: add typed arrays to known globals list - http://bit.ly/pEROuU
[21:54] TheJH: |Freeman|, yes. e.g. for socket.io, go to http://search.npmjs.org/#/socket.io . click on latest. unzip the resulting file in a node_modules folder in your project. rename "package" (extracted folder) to socket.io. but that's not enough, you still need the dependencies, so:
[21:55] TheJH: |Freeman|, now, inside the socket.io folder, create a new node_modules folder. for each dependency listed on http://search.npmjs.org/#/socket.io (3), do the same, but put it in socket.ios dependencies
[21:56] japj: |Freeman|: https://github.com/japj/ryppi os basically a 'tiny npm' in python that does not have all the features npm has, but it can install packages including dependencies
[21:56] TheJH: we need a webservice that can bundle packages (include deps) for windows guys :/
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[21:58] tmpvar: does anyone know if libuv will run on an un-jailbroken ios device?
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[21:59] japj: is someone porting libuv to ios?
[22:00] |Freeman|: japj: that is cool, but i would need to learn some python too then
[22:00] tmpvar: japj, not that I am aware of.. just curious if it would be possible
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[22:01] japj: |Freeman|: it is just a standalone python script, you dont need to learn python to use it. but if you still have trouble installing packages on windows, you could give it a try
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[22:01] |Freeman|: japj: yeah true, i am thinking to learn more about how node works first, like how/where modules are placed
[22:02] xerox: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.10/api/modules.html
[22:02] xerox: easy peasy
[22:03] |Freeman|: cool, thanks for info all, i will do some node study now :)
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[22:05] |Freeman|: TheJH: silly question... where would the project be placed? this are the folders i got with that windows build http://i.imgur.com/gZLou.png
[22:06] TheJH: |Freeman|, anywhere. put your project in your "my files" directory or so, doesn't matter,  I think
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[22:06] damiano: hi
[22:07] |Freeman|: TheJH: ok, ty
[22:08] damiano: can i render /dashboard - /dashboard/profile -  /dashboard/user with only ONE route ? I thought add a route for /dashboard and then render the page with the name of the second directory.... is it possible? do i have to check if the file exists first
[22:08] damiano: what do you think?
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[22:11] xastey: url.format takes and object from url.parse correct? same structure ?
[22:11] mendel_: how do I use a wildcard in a subdomain in http-proxy? '.+.mydomain.com' should just work right? it's just a regexp
[22:12] damiano: xastey, are you telling to me?
[22:12] xastey: no that was a question
[22:12] damiano: k
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[22:13] xastey: soo.. how do I use url.format :)
[22:14] mendel_: working..
[22:14] damiano: ai dont noo
[22:14] damiano: :)
[22:15] xastey: lol damiano
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[22:16] damiano: :)
[22:17] xastey: var parsed=url.parse(location) parsed.query["foo"]="bar" url.format(parsed)
[22:17] xastey: urli s still the same as location
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[22:29] einaros: are all chrome versions on osx running without hw acceleration for canvas?
[22:30] einaros: http://2x.io/fieldy is running smooth as dirt on windows, and particularly IE9, but hopeless with chrome on osx :/
[22:35] aho: it runs fine with the webgl build of opera, by the way
[22:36] |Freeman|: TheJH: i followed all the instructions you told on installing modules manually and i think it worked. I am trying to test first example on this page: http://socket.io/#how-to-use i put the App.js near the socket.io folder and i run it with node. how can i get the server to serve index.html?
[22:37] TheJH: |Freeman|, by using the code from the example? the stuff on the left side? labeled "SERVER (APP.JS)"?
[22:38] TheJH: |Freeman|, I think it already does that
[22:38] |Freeman|: TheJH: yeah, i used command "node Site/App.js"
[22:38] TheJH: |Freeman|, it should work
[22:38] |Freeman|: TheJH: hmm, accesing http://127.0.0.1/Index.html returns a blank page, i think it shoulds say hello world
[22:39] |Freeman|: TheJH: must be cause it is not vaid html, hmm...
[22:39] TheJH: |Freeman|, what does "view source" or so say?
[22:40] |Freeman|: TheJH: accesing the page seems to write stuff in server window so... it seems to work :)
[22:40] TheJH: |Freeman|, ah, good
[22:40] TheJH: |Freeman|, the browser part doesn't write in the window
[22:40] |Freeman|: TheJH: oh, yeah, it works ^^
[22:40] TheJH: |Freeman|, what browser are you using?
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[22:40] |Freeman|: TheJH: source says the code in the tutorial :D
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[22:41] |Freeman|: TheJH: chrome, it must be cause it is not enclosed in html tag etc.
[22:41] TheJH: |Freeman|, press ctrl+shift+j
[22:41] TheJH: |Freeman|, then click console
[22:41] TheJH: |Freeman|, you should see the output there
[22:42] TheJH: |Freeman|, console.log writes to that console
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[22:43] |Freeman|: TheJH: oh yeah, there is an object in the console, a hello world one :)
[22:43] TheJH: :)
[22:43] TheJH: is there a good library for xml-based message-passing?
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[22:44] |Freeman|: TheJH: nice, thanks :) now i just need to figure out how to do communication between 2 sites using socket.io :)
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[22:45] tylergillies_: mikeal <- how the heck do i use pouch? the example app is confusing as hell heh
[22:45] mikeal: we're rewriting it right now
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[22:46] tylergillies_: mikeal <- ok so i'll take that as a "you don't" heh
[22:46] tilgovi: yep.
[22:46] tilgovi: we're both working on it right now
[22:46] tilgovi: so expect some progress today.
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[22:46] tylergillies_: sweet
[22:46] tylergillies_: i want to integrate it into a lockerproject app im working on
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[22:49] TheJH: what's the name of the module that allows me to do `console.log("WARN!".red+" this is dangerous")` or so?
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[22:50] tbranyen: TheJH: i think a few exist
[22:50] tbranyen: didn't substack just release one?
[22:50] tilgovi: tylergillies_: awesome
[22:51] TheJH: I want the one that extends the string prototype with various color getters
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[22:51] mikeal: i think it's just called colors
[22:51] mikeal: i think marak wrote it
[22:51] TheJH: substacks is more for drawing stuff on the terminal, I just want colors
[22:52] TheJH: mikeal, ah, thanks!
[22:56] papandreou: mikeal: Hey, about https://github.com/mikeal/request/pull/50 ... It won't apply cleanly after you did all those stylistic changes, but it still includes some nice simplifications and 2-3 bug fixes. Have you taken a look at it?
[22:57] chjj: anyone want to test my frontend app framework for me? i wrote it specifically for amazing people who like node
[22:57] chjj: https://github.com/chjj/rondo
[22:57] mikeal: what were the bug fixes?
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[22:57] tylergillies_: mikeal <- https://gist.github.com/1144343
[22:58] tbranyen: chjj: i've been using backbone lately, but sure i'll give it a try
[22:58] papandreou: mikeal: request.defaults(...)(url) doesn't work (only accepts an object)
[22:58] mikeal: tylergillies: no idea
[22:58] tylergillies_: dang
[22:58] mikeal: papandreou: i fixed that today actually :)
[22:58] papandreou: mikeal: request.pipe(stream, {end: false}) doesn't work (2nd arg not passed)
[22:59] mikeal: i happened to step on it myself
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[22:59] papandreou: mikeal: And this one: https://github.com/papandreou/request/commit/c10443c3ca0f4d3793a8e4703e8ce9a8586af8d5
[22:59] mikeal: that's intentional
[22:59] mikeal: i can't support it
[22:59] mikeal: well, maybe i can now
[22:59] papandreou: mikeal: the {end: false} thing, why not?
[22:59] mikeal: when i first added the pipe support it wasn't possible
[22:59] chjj: chjj: ah, well its a dom library and app framework, i wouldnt call it similar to backbone, its more express-like
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[23:00] chjj: but thanks for giving it a try if you do
[23:00] papandreou: mikeal: Why wouldn't it be enough to pass it to Stream.prototype.pipe?
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[23:01] mikeal: the way i used to do it was to pipe directly from the source to the dest and then sit on the end event myself in order to finish
[23:01] mikeal: that is no longer the case
[23:01] mikeal: the Request object itself is piped out
[23:01] mikeal: so now it could probably work
[23:01] papandreou: mikeal: Ah, ok
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[23:04] papandreou: mikeal: Some of the other commits added some DRYness, such as https://github.com/papandreou/request/commit/3eeed81f35b74842a3416589aa64711cd4ac5b84
[23:04] SubStack: TheJH: my library doesn't extend the string prototype because that's so wrong
[23:04] TheJH: SubStack, :D
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[23:05] TheJH: SubStack, imo, we need a preprocessor that can do pseudo-prototype-methods
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[23:06] jesusabdullah: BE A MAN SubStack
[23:06] jesusabdullah: 
ACTION extends prototypes like a boss

[23:06] mikeal: delete is a reserved word
[23:06] jesusabdullah: 
ACTION lied

[23:06] mikeal: that's why i didn't do it 
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[23:06] jesusabdullah: pffsht
[23:06] jesusabdullah: that's why you use "baleet"
[23:07] jesusabdullah: > obj.baleeted();
[23:07] jesusabdullah: undefined
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[23:08] mikeal: papandreou: ^^
[23:08] jesusabdullah: s/undefined/there is no such method/
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[23:08] papandreou: mikeal: I know, but it's allowed with dot notation. Express also supports both app.del(...) and app.delete(...)
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[23:09] mikeal: i know, but it's bad practice 
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[23:09] papandreou: mikeal: I disagree
[23:09] jesusabdullah: Why is it bad practice?
[23:09] mikeal: to use reserved words?
[23:10] R4md4c: Error: Error closing database { stack: [Getter/Setter], arguments: undefined, type: undefined, message: 'out of memory' }. Please I am desperate to know what causes that error in sqlite-node. It is occurring randomly 
[23:10] papandreou: mikeal: It's one of the original design errors of JavaScript that reserved words weren't allowed with dot notation.
[23:10] jesusabdullah: Yeah, why is that bad if it works and isn't confusing?
[23:10] mikeal: it is confusing, first off
[23:10] jesusabdullah: I've never been confused by it
[23:10] jesusabdullah: :/
[23:10] mikeal: and it's not guaranteed to always work
[23:11] mikeal: lots of stuff like this broke when they did strict mode
[23:11] jesusabdullah: I still kinda feel like it's only bad form because people *say* it is
[23:11] mikeal: and it is confusing, because the delete statement actually removes an object 
[23:11] mikeal: so you would expect it to remove the object, not make an HTTP request
[23:12] papandreou: mikeal: ES5 explicitly relaxed the reserved word after dot thing.
[23:12] jesusabdullah: but obj.delete and delete obj aren't the same
[23:12] mikeal: they aren't, but they are close :)
[23:12] jesusabdullah: idk maybe it's just me
[23:12] papandreou: mikeal: And request isn't exactly a browser library, so it's guaranteed to always work.
[23:12] mikeal: you know how the language works
[23:12] jesusabdullah: but I don't think I'd misinterpret that one
[23:12] mikeal: you're experienced, you wouldn't mess this up
[23:12] jesusabdullah: I suppose so
[23:12] mikeal: you aren't everyone :)
[23:13] jesusabdullah: I *should* be
[23:13] jesusabdullah: lol :D
[23:13] papandreou: mikeal: I think it's a bigger source of wtfs that request.delete() doesn't exist.
[23:13] papandreou: mikeal: I'm just recommending that you allow both, not that you remove request.del
[23:14] mikeal: most people don't even know there is an HTTP delete method, i doubt they'll go calling it randomly :)
[23:14] mikeal: here, i'll take this
[23:14] mikeal: you want to alias delete() to del(), or the other way around, fine
[23:14] mikeal: but i won't document it as .delete(), it'll be documented as .del()
[23:15] |Freeman|: what does this button do? *presses HTTP delete method" ^^ sorry i am bored or something :p
[23:15] papandreou: mikeal: Hehe, ok. Nice easter egg :)
[23:15] mikeal: if someone calls it without reading the docs it'll work as expected
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[23:16] papandreou: mikeal: Awesome :). Then you can also get rid of the code duplication
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[23:16] mikeal: yeah
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[23:17] mikeal: also, remove the semicolons
[23:17] mikeal: so that I can make Crockford cry
[23:17] papandreou: mikeal: And me... :)
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[23:18] skampler: http.delete('/object')
[23:18] papandreou: mikeal: To get rid of the duplication you also need to move the check for whether a HEAD request includes a body into the Request constructor (which makes sense anyway): https://github.com/papandreou/request/commit/da9a3cbdb01b4cb061357bbaed6ada9f7c056eb0
[23:18] skampler: looks fun
[23:20] mikeal: actually, we can get rid of that
[23:20] mikeal: there is a check in core now
[23:20] papandreou: Ah, even neater :)
[23:22] TheJH: what are you talking about? a db?
[23:24] TheJH: mikeal, pouchdb probably doesn't use the same storage format as couchdb, right?
[23:24] mikeal: format?
[23:24] papandreou: mikeal: I think those were the important ones, the rest is pedantic stuff like not using "i" as a variable name for non-integers.
[23:24] TheJH: mikeal, the on-disk stuff, with serialized erlang data and stuff
[23:24] mikeal: it stores things in a compatible way, but in order to work in the browser it uses IndexedDatabase as the underlying storage mechanism
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[23:25] TheJH: ah, ok :(
[23:25] mikeal: but replication doesn't care about the storage mechanism
[23:25] mikeal: so they'll be able to replicate with each other
[23:25] TheJH: mikeal, just asking because I want to understand the storage format
[23:25] TheJH: (of couchdb)
[23:25] mikeal: of couch?
[23:25] mikeal: it's an append-only btree
[23:25] mikeal: totally custom
[23:26] mikeal: it's very specific to the couchdb erlang implementation 
[23:26] TheJH: mikeal, I already know some stuff about it, but not enough to access it from JS
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[23:27] TheJH: mikeal, but I can already copy documents from a hex editor into my javascript and let it convert them to JSON :)
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[23:27] metaverse: TheJH: FYI, ry helped me fix my compile issues with "make clean all". Also, I have a pull request for my SO_RCVBUF open: https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/1525
[23:27] mikeal: it would be a bad idea to try and duplicate that in a javascript couchdb
[23:28] TheJH: mikeal, probably true
[23:28] mikeal: replication between erlang couches doesn't even do that
[23:28] TheJH: mikeal, I don't want it for replication :)
[23:28] mikeal: they just talk JSON between them
[23:28] papandreou: mikeal: Ah, you can even get jslint to "tolerate" dot notation + reserved word: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/jslint_com/message/1260
[23:28] mikeal: i enjoy watching jslint cry
[23:29] systemfault: I hate lints, they're too opnionated to my taste.
[23:29] systemfault: *opinionated even
[23:29] mikeal: jshint is nice
[23:29] TheJH: mikeal, I want to see how fast a good JS implementation would be compared to the erlang code for serving attachments or so
[23:29] mikeal: you can make it tune to your own style
[23:30] systemfault: mikeal: Might be worth checking then :)
[23:30] mikeal: serving attachments out of the file format requires understanding the whole format :)
[23:30] CIA-65: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * reaac881 10/ src/node.cc : 
[23:30] CIA-65: node: module: fix pointer reference to out-of-scope variable
[23:30] CIA-65: node: Reported by Tom Hughes. - http://bit.ly/qBLY31
[23:30] TheJH: mikeal, true
[23:30] mikeal: because attachment chunks are written to disc in between pages and then the doc meta is written when it's done to reference the chunks
[23:30] TheJH: mikeal, I think I already understand everything except for the magic :D
[23:31] mikeal: and it stays that way until it's compacted
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[23:55] |Freeman|: is it me or is this example a little weird? http://i.imgur.com/ZUpRn.png i don't see the connection in the event names
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