[00:00] slickplaid: i used to use screen and maximize, but i got tired of ^a-c all the time switching then alt-left/right
[00:01] slickplaid: plus ctrl+alt+left/right to move screens 
[00:01] chjj: i just use alt+1,2,3,etc
[00:01] chjj: alt left right bugs me
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[00:01] slickplaid: well, i'm on 12 servers and about 22 channels
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[00:02] chjj: haha
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[00:02] chjj: wow
[00:02] chjj: im in like 3 channels
[00:02] chjj: guess its easier for me
[00:02] chjj: i hate the split windows though
[00:02] jesusabdullah: I used to do that
[00:02] jesusabdullah: I try to keep it under 10
[00:02] slickplaid: last month i broke it down to about 12
[00:02] jesusabdullah: gj XD
[00:02] slickplaid: but then i always get autojoined when ircop'ing up
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[00:03] chjj: what theme do you use?
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[00:03] slickplaid: default
[00:03] chjj: i wrote my own theme, i should upload it to github
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[00:03] chjj: every other theme was made for a black terminal background
[00:03] slickplaid: i jump computers so often i stopped caring
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[00:03] chjj: ah
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[00:04] slickplaid: only thing i really care about is vim's settings and for that i `curl http://mybox/myscript.sh | sh` and be done with it :D
[00:05] chjj: why am i not a vim hacker?
[00:05] chjj: dammit
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[00:05] chjj: damn me and my gui editors
[00:05] MooGoo: it's never too late
[00:05] MooGoo: you could even ease into it with gvim
[00:05] xeodox: How do I use functions inside EJS template system? <% if(hasAdmin(miser)){ %> Hello admin!< % } %>
[00:05] chjj: i have the basics down in the vim, i can work it, im just not a pro
[00:06] MooGoo: no one really is
[00:06] tjholowaychuk: xeodox pass locals to them
[00:06] tjholowaychuk: or if you're using express define them with app.locals() / res.locals() etc
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[00:07] xeodox: tjholowaychuk: Yes, i'm using express. I want every template to have that function. Where do I put the app.locals()?
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[00:07] xeodox: oh I see
[00:09] xeodox: thanks!
[00:09] slickplaid: okay
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[00:14] CIA-65: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07gyp * r7377929 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Upgrade libuv for gyp reasons - http://bit.ly/q1Bjsw
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[00:19] pspeter3: Has anyone got date.js working with node v0.4.10?
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[01:17] abjorn: Does the 0.5 branch of Node require Python >2.4.x? My VPS is running 2.4.3 and I get a syntax error in ./configure.
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[01:18] bnoordhuis: abjorn: yes, you need python >= 2.5.2
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[01:18] abjorn: word, thanks
[01:19] abjorn: now I just gotta figure out why 2.4.3 is the latest version in my VPS's yum repos :)
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[01:24] bnoordhuis: abjorn: centos 5, i presume?
[01:24] abjorn: YEP
[01:24] CIA-65: libuv: 03Peter Bright 07master * rd84b249 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
[01:24] CIA-65: libuv: Support for unescaped arguments, suitable for use with cmd /c.
[01:24] CIA-65: libuv: Robust argument escaping that hopefully matches Windows' algorithm for unescaping. - http://bit.ly/ozINMA
[01:25] abjorn: lol
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[01:25] abjorn: everyones favorite server distro!
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[01:29] tophatmike: this is really embarrassing but I'm on Mac OS and I installed node and npm, but when I do npm install anything it just hangs
[01:29] tophatmike: same with npm update
[01:29] tophatmike: is there some common obvious cause of this?
[01:30] tophatmike: no cpu usage, no output, just hangs
[01:30] Aria: Not being able to access DNS servers, possibly.
[01:30] abjorn: When you say npm anything, do you mean even something like npm <cmd> -h or npm faq hangs?
[01:30] tophatmike: that could totally be it!
[01:31] tophatmike: nope, just npm install * or npm update
[01:31] abjorn: or just the ones that have the phone home? :p
[01:31] abjorn: ah
[01:31] abjorn: yeah some network shit
[01:31] tophatmike: I think the DNS idea makes sense! I do have custom DNS servers specified
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[01:35] xerox: tophatmike_: try changing the loglevel
[01:35] monokrome: tophatmike: dig registry.npmjs.org
[01:35] xerox: npm config set loglevel info
[01:36] tophatmike_: ok I cleaned out my DNS and let it sit on defaults
[01:36] tophatmike_: still nothing
[01:36] tophatmike_: changed the log level
[01:36] tophatmike_: when I do npm update it hangs on info addNamed [ 'socket.io', '*' ]
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[01:37] tophatmike_: npm info it worked if it ends with ok npm info using npm@1.0.17 npm info using node@v0.4.10 npm info addNamed [ 'socket.io', '*' ] 
[01:37] tophatmike_: then nothing
[01:39] tophatmike_: could it be some broken modules?
[01:40] tophatmike_: aside from npm -v is there  a way to validate that my npm install is ok?
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[01:42] cpetzold: tjholowaychuk: is there a way to make express.param(':blah') not read until '/'?
[01:42] tjholowaychuk: cpetzold until '/'?
[01:42] tjholowaychuk: not sure what you mean
[01:43] cpetzold: if i wanted :blah to match both 'foo' and 'foo/bar'?
[01:44] tjholowaychuk: app.get('/user/:id/:operation?', ...) that sort of thing?
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[01:44] cpetzold: yeah, essentially i'm using namespace in conjunction with param().. so i'm doing
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[01:44] cpetzold: server.namespace(':story', …)
[01:45] tjholowaychuk: gotcha
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[01:45] konobi: tjholowaychuk: no of anyone who's doing chained routes?
[01:45] cpetzold: and i want everything under the 'story' namespace to match both the id, and the namespaced value (which can have /'s
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[01:46] tjholowaychuk: konobi: app.get('/user', fn).get('/pets', fn) for /user/pets ? is that what you mean?
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[01:46] konobi: tjholowaychuk: kinda
[01:47] tjholowaychuk: cpetzold hmm well * can span across /'s
[01:47] tjholowaychuk:  /file/* to match GET /file/javascript/jquery.js etc
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[01:48] konobi: tjholowaychuk: it's not just about the paths... but also internal functions
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[01:51] tjholowaychuk: konobi internal functions?
[01:51] konobi: tjholowaychuk: https://metacpan.org/module/Catalyst::Manual::Tutorial::04_BasicCRUD#CONVERT-TO-A-CHAINED-ACTION
[01:51] konobi: that's all i can think of right now
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[01:53] tjholowaychuk: not sure i get it
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[01:54] konobi: where it has Chained('/') means , chain these routes to /
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[01:54] konobi: however, you can also Chained('some_other_chain')
[01:55] konobi: for example... Chained('authorized_only')
[01:55] tjholowaychuk: oh just namespacing but with a chaining syntax?
[01:56] konobi: ah... http://www.catalystframework.org/calendar/2006/10
[01:57] tjholowaychuk: ah ok that explains it better
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[01:57] tjholowaychuk: haven't seen anyone try that yet
[01:58] tjholowaychuk: could be cool, should be easy to implement ontop of the existing stuff
[01:59] odie5533: What type is data when using socket.write(data)?
[01:59] tjholowaychuk: string/Buffer
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[01:59] odie5533: Is string UTF8, ascii, or either?
[02:00] tjholowaychuk: you can pass the encoding to write() as the second arg
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[02:00] cpetzold: tjholowaychuk: i know * spans across /'s, but there would be no way to make a param() call span /'s?
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[02:00] konobi: tjholowaychuk: yeah, takes a while to wrap ones head around, but it's pretty useful from a DRY point of view
[02:01] tjholowaychuk: cpetzold: not positive right now, :name(*) should work as an app.param()
[02:01] tjholowaychuk: good question
[02:01] tjholowaychuk: let me double check
[02:01] tjholowaychuk: konobi yeah. im fine with stuff like that as third-party extensions. it's just a massive PITA when you dont have access to the lower level stuff like express provides
[02:01] tjholowaychuk: but easy to build upon
[02:02] odie5533: I am having trouble working with string encodings. I have a Buffer of integers (chars) and I want to escape some of the characters to be multibyte (5 bytes actually) representations of the int/chars. What data type should I use to accomplish this?
[02:02] Borgoluzzuo: Anyone have any idea on a quick fix for this guy right here?  https://github.com/isaacs/npm/issues/1231
[02:03] arlolra: tj: is it bad to attach custom events to app?
[02:03] odie5533: Borgoluzzuo: I think we'd need to see the JSON response he is receiving.
[02:04] tjholowaychuk: arlolra nah should be fine, express doesn't emit anything custom so you only  have to worry about collisions with node's regular events
[02:04] tjholowaychuk: or you could have app.stats = new EventEmitter; or something
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[02:04] tjholowaychuk: whatever it's for
[02:04] arlolra: i will name space them
[02:05] Borgoluzzuo: odie5533: Hm, let me see if I can find it out.
[02:05] arlolra: how would one emit those from inside a route?
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[02:05] tjholowaychuk: if the app isnt in scope you can do req.app.emit()
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[02:05] tjholowaychuk: not really public but it's there so settings can be referenced inside req/res method etc
[02:05] arlolra: ahh
[02:05] arlolra: ty ty
[02:05] speialstephen: try
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[02:06] tophatmike_: if anyone cares is was a DNS issue...
[02:06] tophatmike_: my resolve.conf file was messed up
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[02:11] arlolra: tj: similarly, would there be app.req.db?
[02:11] CIA-65: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r041d60e 10/ src/uv-unix.c : (log message trimmed)
[02:11] CIA-65: libuv: uv-unix: avoid exec-after-fork race in uv_spawn()
[02:11] CIA-65: libuv: The race condition in a nutshell:
[02:11] CIA-65: libuv:  if ((pid = fork()) > 0) {
[02:11] CIA-65: libuv:  kill(pid, SIGTERM);
[02:11] CIA-65: libuv:  }
[02:11] CIA-65: libuv:  else if (pid == 0) {
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[02:11] arlolra: woops, req.app.db
[02:11] tjholowaychuk: arlolra: yeah if you had a .db property on the app initially
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[02:12] arlolra: thanks
[02:12] arlolra: is that not public as well?
[02:13] arlolra: horrible english arlo
[02:13] tjholowaychuk: express doesn't have any database stuff so that was probably added by someone else
[02:13] cpetzold: tjholowaychuk: param() doesn't seem to like :story*
[02:14] cpetzold: :name(*) *
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[02:14] arlolra: ahh, right. thanks for all the help
[02:14] tjholowaychuk: np
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[02:14] cpetzold: only other way i can think to do the same with namespace is using some middleware on the namespace
[02:14] arlolra: when are we doing node-victoria?
[02:14] tjholowaychuk: cpetzold https://gist.github.com/1126794
[02:15] tjholowaychuk: arlolra haha no clue
[02:15] tjholowaychuk: there's how many of us? 3?
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[02:15] arlolra: party
[02:15] arlolra: you ever in fernwood?
[02:16] cpetzold: tjholowaychuk: aha!  brilliant :)
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[02:20] Marak_: reporting in from HP HQ in sunnyvale
[02:20] Marak_: node.js party
[02:20] Marak_: doing dnode and hook.io talks
[02:21] tjholowaychuk: grab me a palm!
[02:21] sechrist: I opened this tab to ask if there was a WebOS based chromebook competitor
[02:21] sechrist: give us the low-down bro
[02:22] tjholowaychuk: i love antirsi
[02:22] tjholowaychuk: it really doesnt leave you alone
[02:22] sechrist: tjholowaychuk: does it actually help?
[02:22] tjholowaychuk: kinda
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[02:23] tjholowaychuk: it works for a few days then i just kill it
[02:23] tjholowaychuk: trying to get in the habit again
[02:23] Lorentz: What is this antirsi and what does it do
[02:24] tjholowaychuk: repetitive strain injury
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[02:24] tjholowaychuk: it's this annoying thing
[02:24] tjholowaychuk: that pops up and tells you to get off your ass
[02:24] arlolra: sounds horrible
[02:24] tjholowaychuk: hahaha
[02:24] sechrist: Is it hive-mind aware?
[02:24] tjholowaychuk: yeah it kinda is
[02:24] Lorentz: Ah, one of those screen locking things with timers on it.
[02:24] sechrist: what if I want to break with coworkers/
[02:24] tjholowaychuk: 8 minute break time
[02:24] tjholowaychuk: haha
[02:24] sechrist: when I worked at hostgator we had a break queue webapp thing, was kind of interesting
[02:25] tjholowaychuk: 
ACTION postpones

[02:25] tjholowaychuk: computers need to be powered by a bike or something so you have no choice
[02:26] sechrist: I would wire in a battery because I would get tired of biking
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[02:30] odie5533: Can I use default parameters for creating functions in node?
[02:31] tjholowaychuk: odie5533 js doesn't have default argument values
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[02:31] odie5533: I saw something like typeof param == 'undefined'
[02:31] tjholowaychuk: you'll see stuff like function foo(str) { str = str || 'foo'
[02:32] CIA-65: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r30d20cf 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Revert commits 12c8b27 and 88f416a, fixed properly in 2fe4558. - http://bit.ly/qHYjLM
[02:32] CIA-65: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r2fe4558 10/ deps/uv/src/uv-unix.c : 
[02:32] CIA-65: node: uv: cherry-pick libuv commit 041d60e into node
[02:32] CIA-65: node: Fixes execve-after-fork race in uv_spawn(). - http://bit.ly/mPi27O
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[02:38] clifton: anyone know which vim colorscheme ryah uses?
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[02:42] odie5533: I am using Lazy(this.socket).lines.forEach within my object, and I seem to have lost scope of my object when it emits the event (the /this/ keyword no longer works). How do I keep scope of my object in this callback?
[02:43] tjholowaychuk: odie5533 js functions are unbound
[02:43] tjholowaychuk: so "this" is just whatever the receiver is
[02:44] tjholowaychuk: foo.bar() this == foo ; baz.bar = foo.bar; baz.bar() this == baz
[02:44] tjholowaychuk: same function
[02:44] odie5533: I am so bad at JS. So how do I access variables of an object from the receiver?
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[02:45] tjholowaychuk: you can do stuff like server.on('something', myobj.something.bind(myobj))
[02:45] tjholowaychuk: the bind method does some closure hackery to use the given object as the receiver
[02:45] cpetzold: tjholowaychuk: another question about namespace/param..  can i force next() within param() to break out of a namespace? https://gist.github.com/256331a5da03f1809bf5
[02:47] odie5533: tjholowaychuk: is .bind a prototype function of all objects?
[02:48] tjholowaychuk: odie5533 Function.prototype
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[02:48] odie5533: tjholowaychuk: Is it from Node.JS?
[02:48] tjholowaychuk: nope
[02:48] tjholowaychuk: v8
[02:48] v8bot_: tjholowaychuk: undefined
[02:49] tjholowaychuk: hahaha
[02:49] jerrysv: v8bot_++
[02:50] catb0t: v8bot_ now has 1 beer
[02:50] v8bot_:  jerrysv has given a beer to v8bot_. v8bot_ now has 1 beers.
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[02:51] soapy_illusions: hey, does anyone know a way to get the line number of the calling function (arguments.callee.caller)
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[02:53] ale: Hello, when I have var news = io.of('/news'){... what is /news? is for example localhost/news ?
[02:53] ale: decime
[02:54] ale: anyone?
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[02:59] xerox: ale: what's io ?
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[02:59] ale: socket.io
[02:59] odie5533: tjholowaychuk: Should I avoid using the .bind function, or is it okay to use to continue using the this keyword to acccess my object's variables?
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[03:00] tjholowaychuk: odie5533 it's fine
[03:00] qcom: is it possible to set an element's id attribute via interpolation in jade?
[03:00] tjholowaychuk: qcom just do mytag(id=whatever)
[03:01] tjholowaychuk: looks better than interpolation anyway
[03:01] qcom: indeed it does, thanks
[03:01] odie5533: tjholowaychuk: Is there a better method to look out for? Or is this the best way to access class variables from an event receiving function?
[03:01] tjholowaychuk: odie5533 well or you just do function(){ obj.foo() }
[03:01] tjholowaychuk: depends on how much work you are doing
[03:01] tjholowaychuk: that vs obj.foo.bind(obj)
[03:01] tjholowaychuk: but if you're doing other stuff do the closure
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[03:02] xerox: ale: do you mean 'on' not 'of' ?
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[03:02] xerox: ale: ha no, you mean of, it's a namespace.
[03:02] ale: yess
[03:03] xerox: and yes, that maps exactly to what you described
[03:03] xerox: to use on the client side
[03:03] ale: xerox: I want io or node, to get a random url, let's say localhost/test/juE2
[03:03] ale: how can I get that last "juE2"?
[03:05] xerox: what you mean by 'get'
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[03:09] ale: xerox: I mean make node recognize that last random id
[03:09] ale: xerox: let's say I want a multi-room chat
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[03:11] tjholowaychuk: lol
[03:11] tjholowaychuk: var isArray = (Array.isArray(headers));
[03:11] tjholowaychuk: people are weird sometimes
[03:11] chjj: too many parantheses
[03:12] chjj: i mean
[03:12] chjj: parentheses ;)
[03:12] tjholowaychuk: i've seen all kinds of funky stuff
[03:12] tjholowaychuk: (new(Foo()))
[03:12] chjj: i used to overdo it like that in my early days
[03:13] chjj: i used to do, `foo1 = !!(foo2 === 1);`
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[03:13] chjj: now i just do `foo1 = foo2 === 1;`
[03:13] materialdesigner: LOL
[03:13] nickradford: Anyone having issues building node on osx lion?
[03:13] chjj: hehe
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[03:14] chjj: what is an osx lion? does it eat people?
[03:14] nickradford: chjj: I mean, really?
[03:14] chjj: ;p
[03:15] nickradford: Here's a gist: https://gist.github.com/1126853 
[03:16] clifton: are you building node off of HEAD
[03:17] nickradford: clifton: master, if that's the same as HEAD
[03:17] chjj: hm, no idea, are you trying to build 0.5.4pre?
[03:17] clifton: yeah latest
[03:17] chjj: go with 0.4.10 if you want something stable
[03:17] clifton: yeah or just go latest unstable release
[03:18] clifton: there's been some patches to libuv tonight that may have broken the node compilation
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[03:18] ale: Guys, what do you think about creating a multi-room chat?
[03:18] nickradford: Thanks you guys, do you think 0.5.3 will build?
[03:19] chjj: yeah, try 0.5.3, its probably more stable than head
[03:19] clifton: yeah use the 0.5.3 tag though
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[03:20] chjj: but go for v0.4.10 if you want a better feeling of security i guess
[03:20] jasong_at_apache: anyone use no.de?
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[03:24] nickradford: chjj: clifton: It looks like 0.5.3 is working, thanks for the help :)
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[03:38] ale: How can I use the url module from node?
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[03:38] chjj: require('url')
[03:38] materialdesigner: var url = require('url');
[03:39] ale: yes
[03:39] ale: but how do I use it afterwards?
[03:39] materialdesigner: url.whateverYouWant()
[03:39] chjj: url.parse if you want to parse url's
[03:39] CrankyMonkey: ale: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.10/api/url.html
[03:39] ale: I'm in there
[03:39] ale: thanks
[03:40] CrankyMonkey: ok
[03:40] ale: but for example
[03:40] ale: url.protocol ??
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[03:41] ale: should show the protocol?
[03:41] joshthecoder: url.parse(http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.10/api/url.html).protocol == 'http'
[03:41] CrankyMonkey: it will be somethign like "http", "https", '"ftp", etc...
[03:41] ale: but if I don't how what's the url?
[03:41] ale: what should I write?
[03:42] joshthecoder: what are you trying to do exactly?
[03:42] ale: a multi-room chat with specific room id which will be found in the url
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[03:43] CrankyMonkey: are you trying to figure out what the REQUEST_URI is?
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[03:43] ale: kind of, let's say that I have my.page/blabla/j28S
[03:43] ale: then j28S will be the ID, I want to get that
[03:44] CrankyMonkey: Are you using a framework like Express or Connect or just a plain Node.js server like the examples?
[03:44] ale: I am using Node.js and Socket.IO but have no problem on using any of those that you said
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[03:45] CrankyMonkey: You can do a regex on the request.url
[03:46] CrankyMonkey: it might be easier if you posted a Gist so we could see the code
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[03:46] ale: CrankyMonkey: Anyway, afterwards I want to make like a private chat rooms, so messages will be keep in each room id
[03:47] ale: CrankyMonkey: There's no code to show, I didn't write anything of the url
[03:48] ale: CrankyMonkey: However: http://pastebin.com/nQSfbhzU
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[03:49] ale: CrankyMonkey: Are you there?
[03:49] CrankyMonkey: yeah
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[03:50] CrankyMonkey: in "http://localhost:81/socket.io/socket.io.js" you trying to capture the path basically?
[03:50] ale: Yes
[03:50] ale: But that's not the problem
[03:51] ale: I've read something like io.sockets.join, for the private rooms
[03:51] ale: but I can't get the id!!
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[04:04] CrankyMonkey: what's the API for the client
[04:04] CrankyMonkey: or socket
[04:04] CrankyMonkey: I think https://github.com/LearnBoost/socket.io-spec
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[04:06] CrankyMonkey: so in your example you should beable to get that information from the client argument in the callback for on('connection'...)
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[04:08] CrankyMonkey: what does console.log(client) give you?
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[04:08] ale: CrankyMonkey: Pardon me? I didn't get you
[04:09] ale: Can't I make io and express to listen on the same port??
[04:09] odie5533: How can I specify like substring(0,-2)? is that not possible?
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[04:10] CrankyMonkey: in server.js
[04:11] CrankyMonkey: comment out console.log( 'Someone connected from ' + url.parseprotocol); and replace with console.log(client)
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[04:11] CrankyMonkey: then put that in a pastebin
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[04:13] ale: ok 1 sec
[04:13] CrankyMonkey: here is the socket.io spec
[04:13] CrankyMonkey: https://github.com/LearnBoost/socket.io-spec
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[04:15] ale: CrankyMonkey: WOW! http://pastebin.com/N6MtqquH
[04:15] ale: What's all of that?
[04:17] CrankyMonkey: looks like client.namespace.manager.name is the endpoint
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[04:18] ale: CrankyMonkey: So if I have /testnode/123
[04:18] ale: how do I get that 123?
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[04:18] ale: I have that on the url!
[04:18] CrankyMonkey: so if you change the end point from http://localhost:81/testnode/1 then client.namespace.manager.name should be /testnode/1
[04:19] ale: Oh but I won't know that!
[04:19] materialdesigner: ...
[04:19] ale: I mean, it can be 1 as 1920380
[04:19] materialdesigner: that's not the point
[04:19] ale: What do you mean?
[04:20] jesusabdullah: You people and your linters
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[04:26] mjijackson: Good evening #node.js
[04:26] chjj: good evening sir
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[04:29] mjijackson: did anybody here make it to the node meetup?
[04:29] mjijackson: don't know how i missed it. i work right downtown in sf!
[04:29] jesusabdullah: holy shit, I just realized I had somehow scrolled up to yesterday afternoon
[04:30] jesusabdullah: mjijackson: Which one?
[04:30] jesusabdullah: mjijackson: there was a shindig in sunnyvale I hear
[04:30] mjijackson: jesusabdullah: http://nodejs.org/meetup/
[04:31] jesusabdullah: Ah! I wasn't actually aware of that one
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[04:32] AAA_awright: That's almost 7 hours away from me!
[04:32] AAA_awright: Node.js needs more local users groups
[04:33] AAA_awright: Hmm, anyone else in Arizona?
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[04:36] jesusabdullah: You're in AZ? Oh man
[04:37] CrankyMonkey: I'm in AZ
[04:37] CrankyMonkey: Gilbert
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[04:39] PatrickC:  can I use node.js to write a script?
[04:39] PatrickC:  like something to generate a few files/folders
[04:40] Nexxy: you can use node.js to do anything your heart desires
[04:40] odie5533: Is most of node.js coded in C? Like is the TLS stuff coded in C?
[04:40] Nexxy: as long as you have love in your heart!
[04:40] PatrickC: Nexxy: so its possible? cool
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[04:40] Nexxy: PatrickC, not only is it possible, but it's also well documented! http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.10/api/fs.html
[04:41] Nexxy: (oh, and you have to smile too)
[04:41] Nexxy: :)
[04:41] PatrickC: thanks!
[04:41] Nexxy: ^-^
[04:42] PatrickC: this will make it a lot easier for me then trying to write a bash script! :)
[04:42] Nexxy: mhmm!
[04:42] PatrickC: 
ACTION <3's JS!

[04:42] Nexxy: 
ACTION concurs

[04:43] PatrickC: thanks
[04:43] PatrickC: I'll be back if I need more help :%
[04:43] PatrickC: :) *
[04:43] Nexxy: good luck out there! :)
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[04:44] Lorentz: Hmm, needs nodejs gui binding
[04:44] PatrickC: thanks Nexxy!!
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[04:44] Lorentz: Maybe to the extent of having a DE/WM configurable in js
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[04:47] jesusabdullah: oh man it looks like I missed something
[04:48] jesusabdullah: PatrickCcccc :(
[04:48] jesusabdullah: I was gonna tell him that node.js cli scripts are my favoritest thing
[04:49] Nexxy: he'll be back
[04:51] jesusabdullah: I will be ready >:|
[04:52] jesusabdullah: "Hey man I have a question" "Writing cli stuff in node is my favoritest thing." "oh okay but can I have help--" "NOPE"
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[04:58] halfhalo: oh, oh god.  I am so sorry you guys had to deal with PatrickC.
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[05:00] Nuck: halfhalo: He didn't seem too bad :P
[05:00] Nuck: Just normal bad.
[05:01] halfhalo: no, he is on a level all his own.  15 years old and homeschool.  its so bad it went through the funny stage and is painful
[05:01] Nuck: D:
[05:01] Nuck: That is pretty bad
[05:01] Nuck: I may be 17, but at least I went to public schools.
[05:02] Nuck: in socket.io, is it possible to remove all event bindings in one fell swoop?
[05:03] halfhalo: 
ACTION saw the hookio and dnode stuff tonight and was pretty impressed

[05:03] Nuck: I wanna see if I can make my chat server capable of restarting without disconnecting any clients.
[05:03] Nuck: 
ACTION sees nothing but text

[05:03] odie5533: Nexxy: Thanks for the fs link. Are all the fs functions implemented on Windows?
[05:03] Nexxy: odie5533, I have no clue when it comes to windows ;<
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[05:04] Nuck: I just use Cygwin
[05:04] odie5533: I heard someone say child processes and some other things don't work yet.
[05:04] Nuck: I don't like Windows' fs.
[05:04] Nuck: Pretty sure they're actively working on making child_process work on Windows right now
[05:04] Nuck: I think that's the current project
[05:05] odie5533: hmm, guess I'll have to try some fs functions and find out!
[05:05] Nuck: I imagine the FS functions wortk
[05:05] Nuck: I just want mah NPM on windows!
[05:05] Nuck: Until then, I'm using Cygwin
[05:06] odie5533: How does, for instance, Expresso or any other web framework read in template files?
[05:06] Nuck: hell, I may still use Cygwin even after that
[05:06] Nuck: Expresso?
[05:06] Nuck: As in
[05:06] Nuck: ...
[05:06] odie5533: *express
[05:06] odie5533: sorry hah
[05:06] Nuck: Made me think of CoffeeScript
[05:06] Nuck: I was just thinking "Ah fuck, not another CS template engine"
[05:06] odie5533: Do they read in using fs functions, then use JS functions to for parsing?
[05:07] Nuck: yup
[05:07] Nuck: How else?
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[05:07] Nuck: Did you think they just magically teleport data from the hard drive to their program?
[05:07] Nuck: tj may be good, but he isn't *that* good.
[05:07] kenperkins: o/
[05:07] odie5533: I need to do some file hashing. So I figure I should do all the magic in C.
[05:08] Nuck: odie5533: Eh?  Express is 100% JavaScript, just FYI
[05:08] Nuck: It seemed like you might not have realized this.
[05:08] odie5533: I did not realize that.
[05:08] Nuck: Yeah, Node provides Filesystem functions.
[05:09] Nuck: Async FS calls.
[05:09] odie5533: A lot of the modules I looked at use C for some things.
[05:09] Nuck: Many do.
[05:09] Nuck: For intensive tasks on binary data, C will generally be faster.
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[05:09] Nuck: But for simple things like loading data from plaintext files?  Node is better.
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[05:11] jesusabdullah: halfhalo: Word re: seeing dnode and hook.io. I would've gone if it wasn't so far away :(
[05:11] jesusabdullah: Also I see those two guys pretty often
[05:11] Nuck: jesusabdullahWho?
[05:11] jesusabdullah: SubStack and Marak
[05:12] Nuck: ahhhh
[05:12] dominictarr: odie5533: there is a crypto module which has a hash futction
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[05:19] odie5533: Are the hash functions performed in C?
[05:19] jesusabdullah: wouldn't it be c++ *anyway* ?
[05:19] Nuck: jesusabdullah: Valid point lol
[05:19] jesusabdullah: but yeah, I actually don't know
[05:19] Nuck: It is C++
[05:20] jesusabdullah: That said, if you're asking in the interest of performance reasons
[05:20] odie5533: I am. I need to hash many GB of data.
[05:20] jesusabdullah: v8 is optimised really well but has a pretty big overhead for invoking ffi action
[05:20] jesusabdullah: SO, in a lot of cases it's a wash, or even a win for js
[05:20] jesusabdullah: idk about yours
[05:20] odie5533: probably > 1 TB of files I need to hash.
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[05:21] jesusabdullah: I bet it's in c++ but I wouldn't know
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[05:21] Nuck: crypto is c++
[05:21] Nuck: It's hooks to OpenSSH IIRC
[05:21] Nuck: err
[05:21] Nuck: OpenSSL
[05:21] jesusabdullah: odie5533: I was talking to mikeal once about doing linear algebra in c++ with node.js and he said that even in that case it would probably be a bad idea to go into c++ for perf. reasons
[05:22] jesusabdullah: and, I mean, that's usually a case where you *really* want to be on the metal, y'know?
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[05:22] Nuck: odie5533: Is it lots of small files or few big files?
[05:22] jesusabdullah: if that's the case, it must be a pretty huge overhead! :(
[05:22] odie5533: Nuck: mix
[05:22] Nuck: a few big files, probably go to C++ and call it per file in JS
[05:22] odie5533: jesusabdullah: well, hashing files involves both I/O and CPU
[05:22] Nuck: If it's a lot of small files, go with JS for most of it
[05:23] Nuck: holy fuck
[05:23] Nuck: deviantART
[05:23] Nuck: Has over 1000 CSS errors
[05:23] jesusabdullah: odie5533: as does linear algebra? Most of what supercomputers are doign these days is linear algebra from what I understand
[05:23] jesusabdullah: Holy balls, Nuck
[05:23] Nuck: and over 450 HTML errors
[05:24] Nuck: D:
[05:24] Nuck: jesusabdullah: Inorit
[05:24] jesusabdullah: How do you get enough css to even amass that many errors?
[05:24] jesusabdullah: or html for that matter
[05:24] odie5533: Nuck: Artists can not be containted, not even by the W3C.
[05:24] Nuck: jesusabdullah: Bundling and shitty code
[05:24] jesusabdullah: yessch
[05:24] jesusabdullah: lol, artists <3
[05:24] Nuck: Their menu bar uses
[05:24] Nuck: ....
[05:24] Nuck: TABLES
[05:24] jesusabdullah: Wes, artists suck at css, I say this as an amateur artist
[05:24] odie5533: The menu bar I wrote uses tables too.... back in 1999.
[05:24] jesusabdullah: s/css/html/
[05:24] jesusabdullah: I only use tables for like
[05:24] jesusabdullah: tables
[05:25] jesusabdullah: nowadays
[05:25] Nuck: odie5533: This is in v7, released... A year ago?  Maybe 2 years?
[05:25] jesusabdullah: though in the early 2000s I would break out tables for layout still
[05:25] mape: doesn't vendor prefixes count towards those "errors"?
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[05:25] Nuck: mape: Possibly, but they barely touch CSS3
[05:25] jesusabdullah: yeah, like, fall 2004 was the last time I used tables for layout
[05:25] jesusabdullah: vendor prefixes? What are those?
[05:26] Nuck: They use 3 <i> tags at the top and bottom of boxes to make rounding
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[05:26] jesusabdullah: ...I'm REALLY not in touch with client-side you guys :(
[05:26] Nuck: And use images for gradients
[05:26] mape: jesusabdullah: -webkit-transition: all 1s linear;
[05:26] jesusabdullah: oh that kinda stuff okay
[05:26] Nuck: jesusabdullah: What's worse, they had used DIVs when they first released v7
[05:26] mape: -ms -moz -o etc etc
[05:26] Nuck: Then, for some retarded reason, they devided to switch to tables.
[05:26] jesusabdullah: Nuck: Maybe they did it in a last ditch effort to support ie6?
[05:26] Nuck: jesusabdullah: lol
[05:26] jesusabdullah: They were doing it live i bet
[05:27] jesusabdullah: oh geez, it occurs to me that there is an exact parallel in software to doing it live
[05:27] Nuck: But still
[05:27] jesusabdullah: pushing to production
[05:27] jesusabdullah: D:
[05:27] jesusabdullah: new goal: Do it live, don't fuck up
[05:27] Nuck: 1100 errors in the CSS on their main page alone?
[05:27] Nuck: That's what we got when we sent it through Unicorn.
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[05:28] odie5533: crypto on windows doesn't even support crc32..
[05:28] jesusabdullah: node on windows is still beta yo
[05:28] Nuck: Does it support MD5?
[05:28] odie5533: yes
[05:28] jesusabdullah: I wouldn't even mess until v0.6
[05:29] odie5533: jesusabdullah: I am on windows. what would you propose?
[05:29] jesusabdullah: throw some linux on dat bitch clearly
[05:29] jesusabdullah: alternately, vm it up
[05:29] jesusabdullah: or cygwin
[05:29] Nuck: http://validator.w3.org/unicorn/check?ucn_uri=deviantart.com%2F&ucn_task=full-css&warning=no&usermedium=all
[05:29] Nuck: Yup
[05:29] Nuck: 1176 errors
[05:29] Nuck: So almost 1200
[05:29] jesusabdullah: that was what peeps did before 0.5
[05:29] odie5533: I didn't even know css had errors.
[05:29] materialdesigner: Nuck: I've seen the use of <i> for rounding, etc
[05:29] Nuck: Level 3: 1020
[05:30] materialdesigner: when they want to add hooks "without adding semantics"
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[05:30] Nuck: odie5533: Apprently dA doesn't either.
[05:30] materialdesigner: since i and b are the smallest tags
[05:30] jesusabdullah: Well, every language has a sense of errors
[05:30] Nuck: materialdesigner: IT's sorta understandable, but that's not adding to the CSS errors.
[05:30] samba_: can we compile node x86_64?
[05:30] jesusabdullah: Why would <i> work for rounding?
[05:30] jesusabdullah: I don't understand :/
[05:30] jesusabdullah: samba_: afaik yes
[05:30] davidbanham: odie5533: Grab an AWS free tier server as a development environment.
[05:30] materialdesigner: the <i> doesn't make it rounded, but it gives you something to hook your CSS to
[05:30] jesusabdullah: ah
[05:30] materialdesigner: so you can do i { // do shit here to round it }
[05:30] jesusabdullah: ballsy
[05:31] jesusabdullah: I'd just use a span :/
[05:31] jesusabdullah: Does that make me weird?
[05:31] materialdesigner: yeah, a span is the appropriate semanticless element
[05:31] Nuck: jesusabdullah: They do three rows of <i> tags, position them on the top and bottom of the element, then resize them to make a pixelly rounding.
[05:31] materialdesigner: but people think i's don't have meaning, and they are 3 chars shorter than span
[05:31] Nuck: They also put another set of i tags in the i tags.
[05:31] jesusabdullah: isn't i for italic?
[05:31] jesusabdullah: italics are important!
[05:31] materialdesigner: which is presentational, and not semantic
[05:31] Nuck: jesusabdullah: It's <em> :P
[05:31] Nuck: lol
[05:31] jesusabdullah: wat
[05:31] jesusabdullah: are you sure?
[05:31] Nuck: <em> and <strong>
[05:31] jesusabdullah: wth is <i> then?
[05:32] odie5533: davidascher: I have a VPS to test my program on linux. But I want to develop on Windows.
[05:32] materialdesigner: it used to mean italics
[05:32] jesusabdullah: I know <b> emboldens
[05:32] Nuck: <i> is the OLD tag
[05:32] jesusabdullah: oh
[05:32] Nuck: <b> is ALSO an old tag
[05:32] jesusabdullah: whaat
[05:32] odie5533: davidbanham**
[05:32] jesusabdullah: why did they deprecate that shit
[05:32] Nuck: Both are deprecated in HTML5
[05:32] jesusabdullah: what a crock :C
[05:32] Nuck: jesusabdullah: They provide styles in HTML
[05:32] materialdesigner: they aren't deprecated, Nuck
[05:32] Nuck: Which is bad
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[05:32] materialdesigner: they have been rebranded
[05:32] Nuck: emphasis and strong are vague
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[05:32] jesusabdullah: oh
[05:32] jesusabdullah: well
[05:32] materialdesigner: i now means "alternative voice"
[05:32] jesusabdullah: it's silly anyway!
[05:32] Nuck: materialdesigner: They *were going to be* deprecated.
[05:33] materialdesigner: and b means something like "semantically offset" or some other nonsense
[05:33] jesusabdullah: I'm going to call tim berners-lee right now
[05:33] jesusabdullah: and tell him that whatwg is stupid
[05:33] jesusabdullah: and he'll be like, "dude I thought html1 was where it was at you don't have to tell me"
[05:33] materialdesigner: lol
[05:33] Nuck: jesusabdullah: Meh, I mostly use spans with classes anyways :P
[05:33] jesusabdullah: fuckin'
[05:34] Nuck: I rarely need to emphasize text (since I do the layouts and not the content)
[05:34] jesusabdullah: This is why I do latex
[05:34] jesusabdullah: obtw I heard you can use javascript in pdf's
[05:34] Nuck: Fuck LaTeX, use MArkdown.
[05:34] jesusabdullah: tssch
[05:34] jesusabdullah: I rock both motherfucker
[05:34] jesusabdullah: Markdown is lightweight, but it's also lightweight.
[05:34] jesusabdullah: Dig?
[05:34] Nuck: *word* --> <i>word</i>
[05:34] Nuck: And **word** --> <b>word</b>
[05:34] Nuck: Or in newer implementations, <em> and <strong>
[05:34] jesusabdullah: hah
[05:35] jesusabdullah: I love markdown, but for typesetting and equations latex can't be beat atm
[05:35] Nuck: (because i and b are still frowned-upon from when they were slated to be removed in HTML5)
[05:35] materialdesigner: I wish we used latex more often
[05:35] jesusabdullah: I wrote https://github.com/jesusabdullah/anisotropy using latex
[05:35] Nuck: jesusabdullah: Markdown for math would be AWFUL D:
[05:35] jesusabdullah: and as you can see it looks awesome
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[05:36] jesusabdullah: Nuck: <script type = "latex" > \[\alpha\beta\gamma\] </script> ?
[05:36] materialdesigner: except <script> now defaults to javascript
[05:36] jesusabdullah: right, hence the type right?
[05:36] Nuck: should be text/latex
[05:37] materialdesigner: 
ACTION is looking up the spec

[05:37] jesusabdullah: I thought text/ was deprecated :(
[05:37] jesusabdullah: I hate how that shit's so fucking wordy
[05:37] chjj: shouldnt be a space in between the equals sign
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[05:37] jesusabdullah: do they really think I'm gonna be like <script type="binary/latex"> ?
[05:37] jesusabdullah: gohl
[05:37] jesusabdullah: I hate html SO much
[05:37] chjj: text/ is deprecated for text/javascript, because it introduced encoding ambiguity
[05:37] Nuck: jesusabdullah: That's a mime type
[05:37] chjj: same thing with text/xml
[05:37] Nuck: But it'd be application/latex, not binary/latex
[05:38] jesusabdullah: mime types are stupid :C
[05:38] jesusabdullah: I don't actually mean that. I just don't like how verbose "proper" html is
[05:38] jesusabdullah: I'd rather be able to cut corners and have sensible defaults
[05:38] Nuck: jesusabdullah: In PROPER HTML, you can leave off angle brackets
[05:38] jesusabdullah: wat
[05:38] chjj: jesusabdullah: the point of specifying text/ was originally to have ascii as a fallback encoding
[05:38] Nuck: I could do <b this is a test/
[05:38] jesusabdullah: o___o
[05:38] Nuck: and odd shit like that
[05:38] Nuck: Yeah
[05:38] chjj: which is what the text/ is for
[05:39] Nuck: chjj: FUCK ASCII! UTF-8 4 LIFE
[05:39] jesusabdullah: I'm still disappoint
[05:39] Nuck: 
ACTION <3 Unicode

[05:39] chjj: nuck: why do you think its becomming deprecated now?
[05:39] chjj: now that utf8 is ubiquitous
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[05:39] jesusabdullah: I'm thinking of making a tool for building up documents with markdown
[05:40] Nuck: Why not do utf8/javascript?
[05:40] chjj: ..?
[05:40] jesusabdullah: thinking script tags are gonna be the way to embed generated output from js, latex, shit like that
[05:40] xerox: jesusabdullah: http://github.github.com/github-flavored-markdown/preview.html ?
[05:40] chjj: because thats not where to specify an encoding
[05:40] Nuck: chjj: IT should be :P
[05:40] Nuck: lol
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[05:40] chjj: you do application/javascript because it may be one of many encodings
[05:41] Nuck: application?
[05:41] chjj: yes
[05:41] Nuck: Fuck, that's like 10 characters longer D:
[05:41] jesusabdullah: xerox: Something more betters
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[05:41] xerox: o
[05:41] jesusabdullah: xerox: I want to replace ronn
[05:41] jesusabdullah: and lightweight uses of latex
[05:42] chjj: doing text/ introduces ambiguity, especially with text/xml, in the processing instruction you set an encoding, same thing with the charset directive, and then you have the text/ prefix
[05:42] chjj: 3 ways to do it
[05:42] chjj: the user agent wont know what the hell to pick
[05:43] blaenk: has this been discussed: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2848239
[05:43] Nuck: chjj: Shit is getting to complicated.
[05:45] blaenk: lol "It's kind of a dick move to make a inflammatory, flamebait blog post and then later admit you didn't actually know what you were talking about. Maybe you should have actually understood the technology you were working with before making knee-jerk snap judgements."
[05:45] jesusabdullah: I still don't understand why there's a prefix at all :(
[05:45] jesusabdullah: <--noob
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[05:46] chjj: jesusabdullah: its just a namespacing thing
[05:47] chjj: so you can do: audo/ogg, and video/ogg
[05:47] chjj: etc
[05:47] chjj: audio*
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[05:50] jesusabdullah: hmm
[05:50] jesusabdullah: I see
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[05:51] samba_: on x86_64  node compilation   is saying incompatible crypto/ssl which i compiled with ./config any clue?
[05:51] jesusabdullah: WELL I'm going to allow for latex AND text/latex when I make my document tool! also: blackjack and hookers.
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[05:53] deadman87: Hey everyone!
[05:53] deadman87: :)
[05:53] chjj: hi
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[05:53] deadman87: how are you chjj?
[05:53] chjj: im well, how are you sir
[05:54] deadman87: I am all good.. and dont call me sir.. makes me sound old :P
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[05:54] Nuck: deadman87: How are you, Mister Geriatric?
[05:54] deadman87: lol Nuck.. I am well thanks. And you?
[05:54] slickplaid: if you're older than 22, you're borderline geriatric in the node community, or so i've found.
[05:55] Nuck: slickplaid: I'm a motherfucking toddler in this community, I think.
[05:55] Nuck: 17
[05:55] deadman87: rofl
[05:55] slickplaid: lol
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[05:55] jesusabdullah: sup gurl
[05:55] deadman87: ur internet age is based on ur level of n00b-ness
[05:55] deadman87: n00bier = younger
[05:55] jesusabdullah: As long as you're not a douchenozzle, Nuck ;)
[05:56] Nuck: deadman87: So that makes you a fetus, based on that sentence.
[05:56] deadman87: +1 jesusabdullah
[05:56] Nuck: jesusabdullah++
[05:56] catb0t: jesusabdullah now has 1 beer
[05:56] v8bot_:  Nuck has given a beer to jesusabdullah. jesusabdullah now has 1 beers.
[05:56] jesusabdullah: also there are lots of old people in node!
[05:56] Nuck: jesusabdullah: I nozzle douches.
[05:56] slickplaid: ah, well versed in the methods of brogramming, broisan.
[05:56] Nuck: It's my day job.
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[05:56] jesusabdullah: I mean, I heard Isaac is 2^5 now
[05:56] Nuck: slickplaid: The name's broseph.
[05:56] jesusabdullah: v8: Math.pow(2,5)
[05:56] v8bot_: jesusabdullah: 32
[05:56] deadman87: lol Nuck.. no comment
[05:56] slickplaid: Nuck: that's my name, too!
[05:56] jesusabdullah: yeah, *whew*
[05:56] Nuck: Daaaaaaaan he old.
[05:57] jesusabdullah: whenever we go out, the people always shout
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[05:57] jesusabdullah: there goes , erm, umm, broseph!
[05:57] jesusabdullah: nanananananana
[05:57] jesusabdullah: That's only like 8 years my senior
[05:58] slickplaid: I'm coming up on my 10th prime age.
[05:58] deadman87: jesusabdullah: born in 87?
[05:58] jesusabdullah: indeed
[05:58] deadman87: :)
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[05:59] jesusabdullah: hah
[05:59] deadman87: I have a question: How much RAM is recommended on a VPS hosting a simple node app? i.e. node + socket.io with a few static pages.
[06:00] slickplaid: deadman87: 2048 gigaquads
[06:00] deadman87: lol
[06:01] deadman87: I am looking for a cheapie VPS to host my test app... but donno what will be sufficient. VPS hosts dont know what is node.js *facepalm*
[06:01] clifton: ec2 micro instances are free
[06:01] clifton: i set one up with node running very quickly
[06:01] deadman87: but need a credit card.. which I do not have
[06:01] odie5533: you get 1 year free
[06:01] deadman87: debit cards dont work 
[06:02] odie5533: they arent free forever
[06:02] deadman87: also if u go over ur limit, they take the money off ur cc
[06:02] deadman87: without asking.. or so I heard
[06:02] clifton: yeah sounds right
[06:02] clifton: our CFO comes at me with our AWS bill every month
[06:02] clifton: ive had a slicehost account for a while
[06:03] clifton: 20$ / month
[06:03] clifton: for a personal account last few years
[06:04] deadman87: i'm looking at AlienVPS.. for $19/year they have similar account like slicehost
[06:05] deadman87: more diskspace, more bandwidth, ram is a little less though
[06:05] deadman87: I been scouting webhostingtalk for some reviews on cheap hosts
[06:05] blkcat: you get what you pay for
[06:05] odie5533: deadman87: their website has no name or address on it. good luck.
[06:05] blkcat: clifton: i'd drop slicehost if i were you
[06:05] blkcat: clifton: check out linode or chunkhost, vastly more competitive and great service
[06:06] deadman87: mmm
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[06:06] odie5533: deadman87: go with eNetSouth
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[06:07] odie5533: it's $23/yr for 160MB RAM.
[06:07] slickplaid: i'm going to try out rackspace
[06:07] blkcat: for what, openvz? eugh
[06:07] odie5533: blkcat: find me a xen for $23/year.
[06:07] deadman87: whats the difference between openvz, xen and kvm? I mean when it comes to running node apps
[06:08] odie5533: OpenVZ get oversold a lot and can run slow.
[06:08] odie5533: All of them run node apps.
[06:08] deadman87: I see
[06:08] jesusabdullah: I'm using linode right now for vps action
[06:08] blkcat: prgmr.com is probably the cheapest good vps you're going to find
[06:08] jesusabdullah: I like it! though, it's probably OP
[06:08] odie5533: anyways, eNetSouth is pretty good so I'd say go with them
[06:09] jesusabdullah: prgmr looked like a lot of effort to me
[06:09] deadman87: I dont see the yearly plan at eNetSouth
[06:09] blkcat: or just get a free no.de beta system
[06:09] blkcat: which won't suck
[06:09] jesusabdullah: linode is stupid easy to get going with, and they've been really nice to me!
[06:09] blkcat: jesusabdullah: linode <3
[06:09] jesusabdullah: In a month or two nodejitsu should be goin' too
[06:09] odie5533: deadman87: https://clients.enetsouth.com/clients/order/?pid=14&skip=1
[06:09] jesusabdullah: if you can get in on their public beta, I recommend.
[06:10] jesusabdullah: disclaimer: I work there
[06:10] odie5533: jesusabdullah: can we get cutsies?
[06:10] slickplaid: anyone try rackspace before with node?
[06:12] deadman87: +1 odie5533
[06:12] odie5533: jesusabdullah: is no.de beta or something?
[06:13] jesusabdullah: I actually don't know re: no.de
[06:13] jesusabdullah: and no, I don't think cutsies are in your future.
[06:13] jesusabdullah: ;)
[06:13] jesusabdullah: PATIENCE
[06:13] jesusabdullah: Or, switch later---either way
[06:14] odie5533: What will it offer?
[06:14] slickplaid: cloudfoundry (vmware) is also doing node instances 
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[06:15] odie5533: what's the difference between a node instance and a regular instance?
[06:16] slickplaid: basically you can git push it to the server and it'll reload the instance and restart the process. That's how it works from what I understand.
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[06:17] deadman87: like how heroku works?
[06:17] slickplaid: yeah, basically
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[06:18] deadman87: odie5533: i'm gonna sign up with enetsouth just cos u recommending :)
[06:18] odie5533: well wait
[06:19] deadman87: referral link?
[06:19] odie5533: I know people that use them.
[06:19] deadman87: :P
[06:19] odie5533: I don't use them myself.
[06:19] odie5533: I use a higher tier, and they are a bit more expensive for the higher stuff
[06:19] odie5533: deadman87: http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/enetsouth-6-99-400mb-kvm-vps-in-birmingham/
[06:19] odie5533: read long page before signing up.
[06:19] deadman87: well... I see good things about them on lowendbox.com
[06:19] odie5533: yup
[06:20] odie5533: and the owner's sister site, lowendtalk, is hosted with them
[06:20] deadman87: I see I see
[06:20] deadman87: well.. I'm sold
[06:20] deadman87: whats their policy on African users? how do they check for fraud? lol
[06:20] jesusabdullah: odie5533: not sure exactly
[06:21] jesusabdullah: soon though!
[06:21] jesusabdullah: hopefully in time for nko
[06:21] odie5533: BuyVM has a $3.50/mo plan, or Just295 has a $3/mo plan if you prefer monthly. but $23 is not much for a year considering you pay that for a month of linode
[06:21] deadman87: yeah
[06:21] deadman87: and I was gonna shell out $19 anyway on that no-name host
[06:22] deadman87: so rather pay little extra and go with some good host
[06:22] CIA-65: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07master * rc834d5d 10/ src/win/process.c : Windows: correct comment in process.c - http://bit.ly/nLJX1B
[06:22] deadman87: when I need to host heavy sites, I can always move :)
[06:23] odie5533: AlienVPS is getting good reviews but the ToS are disgusting. You can't use IRC, they offer no refunds, and "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone at anytime. We are not obligated to disclose the reason to you. At any given time AlienVPS reserves the right to refuse, cancel, or suspend, at our sole discretion."
[06:23] deadman87: yeah that kinda sucks
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[06:24] jesusabdullah: The whole reason I bought a vps was for irc! :(
[06:24] odie5533: I know!
[06:24] odie5533: I run my websites on my VPS
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[06:24] jesusabdullah: I probably will when I have websites to run
[06:24] odie5533: And gained a better appreciation of cPanel, which I miss dearly.
[06:25] jesusabdullah: cpanel?
[06:25] deadman87: about enetsouth.. can I use it as a PPTP Tunnel?
[06:25] odie5533: jesusabdullah: you joking, right?
[06:25] deadman87: lol
[06:25] deadman87: who hasnt used cPanel.. raise ur hands
[06:25] jesusabdullah: 
ACTION raises his hand

[06:26] jesusabdullah: I have had one (1) vps
[06:26] jesusabdullah: and it's a linode
[06:26] deadman87: jesusabdullah.. lemme give u some cPanel goodness
[06:26] jesusabdullah: previously I had a shell account on a dedicated box at the university
[06:26] dreamdust: love linode <3
[06:26] jesusabdullah: Yeah, linode's nice
[06:26] odie5533: for $20/mo it better be nice
[06:26] jesusabdullah: odie5533: You get what you pay for
[06:27] jesusabdullah: The fact that my linode costs more than a WoW subscription *has* crossed my mind
[06:27] jesusabdullah: make no mistake
[06:27] odie5533: I definitely agree. But linode is overkill for what traffic/development I do.
[06:27] odie5533: deadman87: you mentioned about buying a better host when you get big websites. LEB runs on an 80MB VPS.
[06:28] deadman87: lol srsly?
[06:28] odie5533: yep.
[06:28] jesusabdullah: Yeah, it's overkill for me too, as a host
[06:28] jesusabdullah: but man I love having a remote shell
[06:28] deadman87: then the 160 should be more than enough for me :)
[06:28] jesusabdullah: it's worth that much to me
[06:29] odie5533: you can get a cheaper remote shell than $20/mo that works just fine lol
[06:29] davidbanham: I've said it before, I'll say it again, AWS free tier!
[06:29] deadman87: im a total newb to VPS though.. Can I PM u for some assistance odie5533?
[06:30] deadman87: davidbanham: No credit card for AWS :(
[06:30] davidbanham: deadman87: Ah, bugger :( Maybe take the $20 you were going to drop on Linode and buy a prepaid Visa on eBay or something?
[06:31] jesusabdullah: Yeah, I know :(
[06:31] jesusabdullah: In my defense, at the time I was sharing with my girlfriend
[06:31] jesusabdullah: we broke up shortly afterwards
[06:31] deadman87: unfortunately the financial world only sees Africa as full of kings who die regularly, leaving millions of dollars for u american/european people
[06:32] odie5533: sure deadman87
[06:32] deadman87: lol
[06:32] jesusabdullah: at which point I unceremoniously booted her off my server. I HAD THE POWER >:O
[06:32] deadman87: seriously.. Paypal doesnt support this country at all.. and Visa sends me to my bank...
[06:33] deadman87: I had to go to South Africa to open a Paypal account and linked it to my bank account there..
[06:33] deadman87: I am in Mozambique btw..
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[06:33] odie5533: all the little 1's and 0's traveling halfway across the world
[06:34] deadman87: indeed!
[06:34] deadman87: If only the founding fathers of technology knew what we're getting upto today
[06:35] jesusabdullah: No shit deadman87 ?
[06:35] jesusabdullah: Mozambique?
[06:35] jesusabdullah: and you're *not* a dying king?
[06:35] jesusabdullah: Awesome. :D
[06:35] deadman87: lol
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[06:36] odie5533: dying king? you mean prince!
[06:36] deadman87: Dont worry.. When I die I will make sure my lawyer/banker spams u so u can take all my money
[06:37] davidbanham: deadman87: All the US prepaid credit card providers seem to want a social security number, which I imagine would be hard to spoof.
[06:37] odie5533: deadman87: only after we send the initial $2000 to cover the taxes
[06:37] davidbanham: deadman87: Here in Australia, though, the requirements seem easier. https://www.mycanvascard.com.au/Secure/OnlineMyDetails.aspx
[06:37] deadman87: odie5533: I will appoint u to be the middleman who gets 10% of my billion dollar wealth.. u can recover ur $2000 from there
[06:37] davidbanham: deadman87: The only challenge is getting it sent to you, as there isn't a mail forwarding ecosystem in Australia like there is in the US.
[06:38] davidbanham: I'm sure there'll be other countries that will be easier, though. Somewhere in the EU surely.
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[06:39] deadman87: thanks davidbanham for trying to help..  I will definitely get a prepaid card whenever I travel to EU or US
[06:39] deadman87: I hate how all the online services never come to africa
[06:39] deadman87: well mostly financial
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[06:41] davidbanham: deadman87: No worries. It just seems like it should be something we could overcome fairly easily. I'd offer to grab one here and post it over, but after my government prosecuted someone for giving a frigging SIM card to someone vaugely related to UK terrorism I'm not willing, I'm afraid.
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[06:42] deadman87: I dont blame you davidbanham.. these days everything is linked to terrorism.
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[06:43] davidbanham: I'm much more frightened by getting put on a no-fly list than I am of someone blowing up a plane I happen to be on.
[06:43] deadman87: lol
[06:43] deadman87: Sad but true.. Its just extremely inconvinient
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[06:49] davidbanham: deadman87: Looks like you could get an AU prepaid card shipped to you for about AU$50 - http://www.mail4ward.com.au/pricing.htm - https://www.mycanvascard.com.au/Secure/OnlineCardOptions.aspx
[06:51] deadman87: I see.. 
[06:51] davidbanham: deadman87: Scratch that, there's identity verification I hadn't noticed.
[06:51] davidbanham: They want a passport, drivers license or medicare card.
[06:51] odie5533: davidbanham: that website brings up my virus scan
[06:51] odie5533: and it says it's a threat
[06:52] deadman87: well my passport wont work obviously
[06:52] davidbanham: odie5533: Yeah I've got no experience with them, just grabbed something cheap off Google.
[06:52] davidbanham: deadman87: Yeah, they'd want you to be an AU resident I imagine. Annoying.
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[07:34] CIA-65: node: 03Bert Belder 07master * r0878293 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Upgrade libuv to c834d5de9e4747e5138bed9140320b44622ab6de - http://bit.ly/q3Ea26
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[07:39] mattcodes: any another to Sleight? doesnt seem to work with https on latest node
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[07:44] [AD]Turbo: hi all
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[07:46] bingomanatee_: does three.js work with node canvas?
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[08:14] loveshine_: how do you write to the same line in the console? for example, i want to update a percentage without printing a new line for it.
[08:15] AvianFlu: loveshine_: \r
[08:15] AvianFlu: at least I was told so two hours ago when I asked the same question :_P
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[08:18] loveshine_: AvianFlu: do you have an example? can't get it to work
[08:19] AvianFlu: I mean, substack said it, so I just figured it was fact 
[08:19] AvianFlu: hang on, let me see
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[08:24] prettyrobots: Where's a good place to discuss software freelancing, or the business?
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[08:24] prettyrobots: mikeal: Rogers?
[08:25] mikeal: yes
[08:25] prettyrobots: Thanks for the feedback on pipes and pause/resume.
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[08:26] mikeal: no problem
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[08:28] SubStack: loveshine_: process.stdout.write
[08:28] SubStack: with \r
[08:29] SubStack: console.log and console.error insert a \n
[08:29] SubStack: or process.stderr.write
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[08:34] mscdex: node.js rules!
[08:37] framlin: ;)
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[08:39] odie5533: I am trying to follow http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.5.3/api/addons.html but I don't know where node-waf is or how to use it.
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[08:40] chjj: node-waf --help
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[08:40] loveshine_: SubStack: i don't think that's what i'm trying to do. \n and \r insert a new line. i want to print to the same line that i last printed to animate a progress bar
[08:40] odie5533: command not found
[08:40] odie5533: I should mention, I am on Windows in a MSYS console.
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[08:40] chjj: hmm, you have node in your path?
[08:40] odie5533: I have node in my path, but not node-waf
[08:41] odie5533: I see node-waf in the ~/node/tools/node-waf
[08:41] chjj: well its in /usr/local/bin for me, same place as node
[08:41] odie5533: but when I run that, I get a Python error: import Scripting, module not found
[08:42] _bat: I thought odie5533 was a bot for a moment (saw *command not found*). Time to go to sleep.
[08:44] odie5533: hmm, reading a recent post on the blog it seems it is not possible to compile C++ addons for node on Windows.
[08:44] chjj: youre on windows?
[08:45] odie5533: Yes.
[08:45] odie5533: Is best platform ever.
[08:45] chjj: just fooled me with the ~
[08:45] odie5533: MSYS/MinGW environment
[08:46] chjj: oh
[08:46] chjj: well, i think its possible to compile waf stuff with cygwin if you want to use cygwin instead
[08:46] odie5533: I don't =/
[08:46] chjj: cant be so picky!
[08:47] odie5533: :<
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[08:47] odie5533: I can't wait till a win32api wrapper for Node comes out :D
[08:47] chjj: too much dissonance between OS', whenever i use linux, i have wine installed, whenever i use windows, i have cygwin installed
[08:47] chjj: :(
[08:48] odie5533: I'll be editing registry entries, and adding neat buttons to the Aero Preview thing in no time!
[08:48] odie5533: I stopped playing around with Cygwin.
[08:48] odie5533: might as well use a vm if you're gonna use cygwin
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[08:49] SubStack: loveshine_: incorrect, \r moves the cursor to the start of the present line while \n advances the cursor by one line
[08:49] chjj: wouldnt make much sense, i would just boot my debian install
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[08:49] chjj: i dont even know why im dual booting, i dont even use windows
[08:50] chjj: but i feel like i need to have it installed
[08:50] chjj: just in case
[08:50] odie5533: chjj: Yeah I used to have a VM of ubuntu. Then I realized I never use ubuntu so I deleted it.
[08:50] chjj: ew, ubuntu
[08:50] SubStack: loveshine_: node -e 'var i = 0; setInterval(function () { process.stdout.write(++i + "   \r") }, 100)'
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[08:50] chjj: i go pure debian, its sexy
[08:50] chjj: install xorg and openbox from scratch
[08:50] chjj: nice and fast
[08:50] chjj: ubuntu is all bloat
[08:51] loveshine_: SubStack: amazing. thank you
[08:51] odie5533: I have better things to do that play around configuring my OS to be perfect.
[08:51] chjj: i didnt know there were better things than that
[08:51] odie5533: I spent time configuring nginx to serve Wordpress and /that/ felt like a waste of time.
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[08:51] chjj: yeah that definitely does sound like a waste of time
[08:51] odie5533: rather just install apache, load up kloxo or something and be done. but I wanted nginx
[08:51] chjj: its wordpress
[08:51] chjj: ;)
[08:51] odie5533: nginx so I could easily add Node, RoR and other things later
[08:52] odie5533: now I can... configure nginx... what a useless skill.
[08:53] chjj: i hope you dont think node is a useless skill =/
[08:54] odie5533: I don't. but I think javascript is an ugly language that is difficult to use.
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[08:54] chjj: !
[08:54] odie5533: and coffeescript is like an ugly version of javascript
[08:54] chjj: at least you know coffeescript is ugly
[08:54] odie5533: like if ugly and javascript had a child they would name it coffeescript
[08:55] chjj: yeah, sounds about right
[08:55] TheJH: it's not ugly :(
[08:55] chjj: cs is ugly, yes
[08:55] stagas: odie5533: pff
[08:55] chjj: js isnt as ugly as people think
[08:55] odie5533: I can barely read coffeescript.
[08:56] odie5533: and I like Python.
[08:56] TheJH: odie5533, chjj, do you like needing entire lines for braces so that you can't see much code on the screen anymore?
[08:56] odie5533: people say it looks like python. it doesn't.
[08:56] chjj: ...yeah, not having any ending delimeter is much more readable....
[08:56] odie5533: TheJH: I should probably give CS another try. But I did not like what I saw
[08:56] chjj: gonna assume you were making a joke there i guess
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[08:57] TheJH: chjj, not a joke. that's what indentation is for.
[08:57] odie5533: I already wrote my program in JS. is there a JS -> CS?
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[08:57] TheJH: odie5533, js2coffee
[08:57] chjj: odie5533: thats a joke right?
[08:58] TheJH: !@odie5533 npm search js2coffee
[08:58] chjj: convert your js to cs to convert it back to js again?
[08:58] odie5533: perfect
[08:58] odie5533: chjj: then once more for good measure
[08:58] TheJH: guys :(
[08:59] jhbot: odie5533, package js2coffee: JavaScript to CoffeeScript compiler
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[08:59] odie5533: then afterwards, you stir it, start it using the node interpreter, and run the entire thing on a virtual machine
[08:59] chjj: what coffeescript should do
[08:59] chjj: is fork v8
[08:59] chjj: and change the parser
[08:59] chjj: then it would be better
[08:59] odie5533: I don't think so.
[08:59] TheJH: chjj, coffee is supposed to run on browsers, too
[08:59] chjj: yeah, i dont care though
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[09:00] odie5533: TheJH: wow, js2coffee worked pretty good for my program
[09:00] chjj: i dont care whether it runs or not
[09:00] chjj: im just saying, i would have more respect for it then
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[09:01] odie5533: TheJH: except now it's completely unintelligible instead of just mildly.
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[09:01] TheJH: odie5533, js2coffee is not THAT good at producing beautiful coffee code
[09:02] odie5533: TheJH: Should I use two spaces for tabs?
[09:02] TheJH: odie5533, instead of tabs, yes
[09:02] odie5533: only two?!
[09:02] chjj: how could anything produce beautiful coffeescript code? :)
[09:02] TheJH: odie5533, other values work, too
[09:02] chjj: how could a human being produce such a thing even
[09:02] odie5533: what is the standard?
[09:02] TheJH: odie5533, the standard is two
[09:03] odie5533: the linux kernel uses 8 spaces for tabs.
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[09:03] chjj: 8 space tabs hurt my eyes
[09:03] chjj: a lot
[09:03] topaxi: 2 spaces are nice, 4 spaces are okay... 8 spaces... eye cancer! ^^
[09:03] TheJH: I added some optimizations to uglifyjs the last days, and they use 8 spaces :(
[09:04] chjj: yeah im okay with 4 space tabs, but i prefer 2 spaces
[09:04] odie5533: I will write a language that uses 1 space. It will compile to 2-spaced coffeescript, and then you can compile that to 4-spaced javascript, and then interpret it using an 8-spaced C-program.
[09:04] TheJH: odie5533, sounds cool :) :P
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[09:04] odie5533: the pains people go through to avoid writing in C :D
[09:05] chjj: i love C
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[09:06] SubStack: I love that other people love C.
[09:06] chjj: but its rather inconvenient to write a webapp in C
[09:06] TheJH: I need to google for half an hour to patch ten lines into ssh code, I really should learn C/C++
[09:06] AvianFlu: C/C++ ftw
[09:06] chjj: i dont like c++
[09:07] AvianFlu: c++ > java :-P
[09:07] TheJH: AvianFlu, "ftw" = "for the web"? :P
[09:07] blaenk: cause c++ is more complicated
[09:07] AvianFlu: lol no, for the win
[09:07] chjj: i dont like c++ templates, i can even do without the OO, just an abstraction anyway ;p
[09:07] AvianFlu: c++ is easier, I'd say
[09:07] AvianFlu: templates are funky for sure
[09:07] chjj: i like c, its just more...pure
[09:07] TheJH: AvianFlu, there IS someone with a blog written in C :P
[09:07] odie5533: Everyday people wake up and think to themselves: "How will I avoid writing in C today?" "How can I help others avoid writing in C today?" "Perhaps creating another interpreted language will help."
[09:08] TheJH: AvianFlu, and I read that blog every day :)
[09:08] chjj: well now people are waking up thinking "how can i avoid writing/learning javascript today"
[09:08] AvianFlu: link or GTFO :)
[09:10] odie5533: No link hahaha
[09:11] TheJH: to that blog? http://blog.fefe.de/
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[09:11] TheJH: but its in german
[09:11] TheJH: his english homepage: http://www.fefe.de/
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[09:12] odie5533: to write a simple HTML server in C would be easy enough.
[09:12] odie5533: his doesn't even supports comments.
[09:12] odie5533: hardly qualifies as a blog.
[09:12] Marak: is it possible to break this:    if (stream.writable) {     stream.write('foo' + '\n');   } ? I've been getting sporadic, Error: EPIPE, Broken pipe
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[09:13] TheJH: Marak, with a good stack or a nonsense stack?
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[09:13] Marak: TheJH: the context of the problem can be found here: https://github.com/hookio/hook.io/issues/45
[09:14] Marak: TheJH: if you scroll down, you'
[09:14] Marak: oops
[09:14] Marak: TheJH: if you scroll down, you'll see the line number in dnode which im looking at. im not sure if the broken pipe is due to a bug in core, or something with dnode, or maybe something silly i did 
[09:14] Marak: i can't figure out how to replicate the issue
[09:14] Marak: but ive seen it happen
[09:15] TheJH: Marak, are you sure that the line number in the breaking code is the same as on master?
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[09:16] Marak: TheJH: i'm fairly certain it lines up, i checked the versions and tags, i can double check
[09:17] Marak: TheJH: but it would make sense its that line, checking again, brb
[09:18] Marak: TheJH: versions look right
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[09:26] TheJH: Marak, Socket.prototype._writeOut is in the stack, and it already does "if (!this.writable) {throw new Error('Socket is not writable');}", so I am very tempted to blame node core
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[09:27] Marak: SubStack: beep boop <TheJH> Marak, Socket.prototype._writeOut is in the stack, and it already does "if (!this.writable) {throw new Error('Socket is not writable');}", so I am very tempted to blame node core
[09:27] TheJH: because it tries to detect that and fails, too
[09:27] Marak: maybe there is a bug already filed?
[09:28] TheJH: !issue search writable Socket
[09:28] jhbot: found issues: 5, showing the first 3
[09:28] jhbot: Issue: #732: Socket is not writable
[09:28] jhbot: Issue: #938: Socket.end() called already; cannot write.
[09:28] jhbot: Issue: #1029: Few fails in tests ;)
[09:29] TheJH: !issue search writable Broken pipe
[09:29] jhbot: no issues found
[09:29] Marak: i didnt find any
[09:30] TheJH: the only other cause I could imagine is someone doing sock.writable=true... but who would do that?
[09:31] Marak: TheJH: so what can we do to fix this?
[09:32] TheJH: Marak, in order to find the issue, maybe monkeypatch a trap into net.js that prints the stack every time "writable" gets modified? overwrite "writable" with a getter and a setter
[09:33] TheJH: or something like that
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[09:34] TheJH: and then do "try{throw new Error('writable modified: '+newValue);}catch(e){console.log(e.stack);}" or so
[09:34] industrial: I have a problem with $ forever myapp.js
[09:34] industrial: it keeps restarting when it fails.
[09:34] Marak: industrial: lol
[09:34] industrial: No I'm serious, can I get it to stop at one error, then reload when I save a file again?
[09:35] industrial: I'm using this for development
[09:35] industrial: ofcourse it won't be failing in production
[09:35] Marak: industrial: may i offer a suggestion?
[09:35] industrial: yes
[09:35] Marak: industrial: i would not use forever like that, please.
[09:35] TheJH: :D
[09:36] industrial: Marak: well it reloads the app when I save a file, keeps me from ctrl-c, arrow up enter on every change
[09:36] Marak: industrial: i believe you might find solace in other tools which are designed for this https://github.com/isaacs/node-supervisor
[09:37] industrial: Actually I was using supervisor before, but I can't get that to do what I want either :)
[09:37] Marak: industrial: may i offer another suggestion?
[09:38] industrial: Marak: just do it?
[09:38] Marak: industrial: if you cannot get tools by indexzero and isaacs to "do what you want", perhaps you need to reevaluate what it is you are trying to do. 
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[09:39] Marak: or just man up and write your own tool
[09:40] industrial: Marak: you are defending pieces of software as if I'm attacking them and their creators and I'm an unintelligent person for making application errors during development
[09:40] Marak: industrial: yes
[09:40] FireFly|n900: Watch a file for changes, kill proc and restart if it occurs.. doesn't sound all *that* hard to me
[09:41] industrial: Marak: well, I'm not attacking anyone. I'm just looking for a solution.
[09:41] Marak: solution to what problem
[09:41] TheJH: Marak, dnode messes with "writable" in two places
[09:41] Marak: prob not a good problem
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[09:41] TheJH: Marak, https://gist.github.com/1127216
[09:41] industrial: problems are never good :p
[09:41] industrial: the problem is my terminal floods with errors
[09:42] industrial: and thats unneeded
[09:42] industrial: I can just node app.js; but then I need to reload it myself, which I'd rather not
[09:42] Marak: TheJH: do you feel like jumping into #nodejitsu , im chatting with hij1nx about this now
[09:42] AvianFlu: TheJH: it's `.writable` and not `.writeable` in your gist, is that just a typo?
[09:42] FireFly|n900: I just use a lightweight IDE and have F9 stop the program and restart it
[09:43] TheJH: 
ACTION is stupid :(

[09:43] TheJH: thanks, AvianFlu :(
[09:43] FireFly|n900: That's easy enough for me at least, might be an option for you too, industrial
[09:43] AvianFlu: 
ACTION is ocd about spelling

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[09:44] TheJH: AvianFlu, just double-checked, it's "writable" in node :)
[09:44] AvianFlu: wow, nutty
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[09:45] AvianFlu: even stranger, both are valid spellings
[09:45] FireFly|n900: I'd prolly write "writable" actually
[09:46] AvianFlu: it's quite possible I picked up a british spelling or something like that
[09:47] industrial: FireFly|n900: might. Are you using Cloud9? :)
[09:47] FireFly|n900: Wiktionary says "writeable" is a misspelling apparently: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/writeable
[09:47] FireFly|n900: industrial, nope, Komodo IDE
[09:47] FireFly|n900: err
[09:47] FireFly|n900: KomodoEdit actually*
[09:48] FireFly|n900: I've been meaning to give Cloud9 a try though
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[09:49] industrial: I use Vim mainly, but I think cloud9 is pretty cool :) some parts dont work for me though (changing options like colorscheme)
[09:50] FireFly|n900: Ah, I should try vim someday too..
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[09:53] industrial: hm, my sudo npm update -g is running forever, not outputting anything.
[09:54] industrial: npm 1.0.22
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[09:59] jeedey: is there a good alternative to connect-js module? something lightweight for web
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[10:03] japj: hmm is v8 switching from scons to gyp?
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[10:30] booo: is there a improved shell for node? with auto completion, history...
[10:33] odie5533: vim?
[10:33] odie5533: or http://c9.io
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[10:36] booo: more like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Read-eval-print_loop
[10:39] TheJH: booo, the node repl does have autocomplete
[10:40] TheJH: booo, and it has simple, non-searchable, non-persistent history, too
[10:43] booo: ok, i see. now i just miss the persistent history
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[10:50] TheJH: booo, create a pull request :P
[10:51] booo: TheJH, maybe :)
[10:52] TheJH: who's the main node core networking contributor or so?
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[10:57] odie5533: I have a tight loop which manipulate a small Buffer of 8 numbers. would it be faster to just use 8 variables instead of a Buffer?
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[11:00] TheJH: odie5533, probably
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[11:02] odie5533: is there a #define or something similar in JS so I to inline function? :X
[11:04] metaverse: Can node.js TCP socket handle multiple writes? I want to write two messages (one right after the other) from my client but only once is received on my node.js server.
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[11:04] TheJH: metaverse, it can
[11:04] metaverse: TheJH: I've tried the following:
[11:04] TheJH: metaverse, could you gist your code?
[11:04] metaverse: yes, thanks
[11:05] odie5533: metaverse: yes, you can write twice. The problem is using TCP sockets, it will probably fragment into two packets
[11:05] odie5533: if you want to make it more likely to be one packet then you need to buffer the data before sending and perform only one write.
[11:06] TheJH: metaverse, you shouldn't use raw tcp write/read, use some wrapper module
[11:06] odie5533: metaverse: Are you just performing an operation when the TCP socket receives data?
[11:06] metaverse: I'm using the callback provided by write to make the second write. 
[11:07] odie5533: metaverse: just writing, no receiving?
[11:07] metaverse: wrapping up a gist..
[11:09] metaverse: hmm, I'm actually writing on the receive callback. First time works but not the second one
[11:09] metaverse: sorry the "data" event
[11:09] odie5533: what's it say the second time?
[11:10] TheJH: metaverse, just post the gist.
[11:10] metaverse: no error messages, no "data" event emitted on my server side. 
[11:10] metaverse: yep
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[11:19] metaverse: Sorry guys for the wait. here's the gist: 
[11:19] metaverse: https://gist.github.com/1127335
[11:20] metaverse: I created that example right now, and I can see the problem myself. msg2 and msg3 are sent as one message. How can I bypass that? :)
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[11:21] TheJH: metaverse, you shouldn't
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[11:22] TheJH: metaverse, you want to send messages over the network, right? the method doesn't matter, right?
[11:22] metaverse: TheJH: It must be TCP
[11:23] metaverse: Should I wrap my messages with some delimiters and split them on the server?
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[11:23] TheJH: metaverse, how about newline-delimited json over tcp?
[11:23] TheJH: metaverse, https://github.com/fictorial/json-line-protocol for receiving, write(JSON.stringify(message)+'\r\n') for sending
[11:24] metaverse: TheJH: That would work, and I simply split by newlines on the server side?
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[11:26] metaverse: Is it the Nagle algorithm buffering my data into one message by the way?
[11:27] odie5533: is there a reverse-eval?
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[11:32] Marak: odie5533: toString()
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[11:35] benbowler: Hey Node.js people
[11:36] metaverse: TheJH: Actually, I'm sending packets like this right now: {json}\n\n{unknown data} The "unknown data" block might in theory contain new lines, which would split the message in two. Do you have any recommendations on how to avoid those problems?
[11:37] benbowler: How can I post a Node.js job in London UK? It seems to be US only at the mo?
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[11:38] tokumine: Hey all, is there a idiomatic approach to store HTTP res/req while heavy lifting is handed off to a background queue (workers running in another process)
[11:38] tokumine: (aside from closure and callback)
[11:43] TheJH: metaverse, data wrapped with JSON.stringify can't contain newlines
[11:43] TheJH: metaverse, is "unknown data" a string or binary data?
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[11:44] TheJH: tokumine, closure and callback :D
[11:44] odie5533: Wow, you can C-style #define functions in JavaScript.
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[11:44] metaverse: TheJH: a string
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[11:44] tokumine: TheJH: :D
[11:44] TheJH: odie5533, err, what?
[11:44] TheJH: tokumine, why not?
[11:44] odie5533: TheJH: it's making my life a lot easier, yup
[11:44] odie5533: TheJH: http://www.nongnu.org/espresso/js-cpp.html
[11:45] odie5533: I just run my js program through cpp and it does its magic :D
[11:45] TheJH: metaverse, then wrap it with JSON.stringify()
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[11:49] tokumine: TheJH: I'm thinking of an scenario where incoming requests to server1 are sent to a job queue for processing on server2. When the job is finished the worker on server2 sends the data back to server1 over HTTP with a res identifier. server1 then basically finds the users res and proxies the data back to the user. I'm avoiding sending the data back to server1 via the job queue if possible to minimise moving parts.
[11:50] tokumine: I've not really found many good examples of this however. Aside, perhaps, from looking at the internals of node-http-proxy.
[11:51] TheJH: tokumine, "var id=uuid(); callbacks[id] = ...; doJob(id, otherData, ...);"?
[11:51] metaverse: TheJH: Ok honestly I don't know if it's string or binary. I don't think JSON.stringify fits my case. I'm experimenting writing a proxy server in node.js to learn about socket programming. The "unknown data" block is a tcp message I get from another socket. It might be an http request, a skype voip packet, a game communicating with it's server etc. Maybe I should do some research on how ssh does it's packet wrapping? Do you have an
[11:51] metaverse: ideas?
[11:51] TheJH: metaverse, send a JSON message that says "next thing is n bytes of raw data"?
[11:52] metaverse: TheJH: Perfect.
[11:52] metaverse: thank you so much!
[11:52] TheJH: metaverse, that's how http does it, too
[11:53] metaverse: content-length!
[11:53] TheJH: exactly
[11:53] tokumine: TheJH: yeah - I was thinking along those lines but it seemed a little brittle. But I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the uuid() tip! 
[11:53] TheJH: tokumine, uuid() if a method coming from a npm package for uuid generation
[11:54] TheJH: !npm search uuid
[11:54] jhbot: packages (short format): uuid-lib, data-uuid, idea, uuid.js, uuid, uuid-pure, ossp-uuid, node-uuid, node-mug, dirty-uuid
[11:54] TheJH: uh, can't remember which one it was
[11:54] saschagehlich: is there a way to set a content type in res.render() in expressjs?
[11:54] tokumine: TheJH: yup, cheers. I guess the proxying server will just have to be a single process. Will give it a shot.
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[12:01] metaverse: TheJH: Maybe I should experiment with switching to using a binary buffer in the future instead of my current implementation using utf8 and json as header? I've heard that V8 is not so good with handling big strings. I'm hoping this server will process several megabytes per second in the future :)
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[12:16] odie5533: Do arrays pass by reference or by value?
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[12:21] industrial: What is the/a recommended library for handling OAuth communication?
[12:21] industrial: That is, I have a custom OAuth provider, so no FB/Twitter etc.
[12:24] ruprict: industrial: everyauth
[12:24] ruprict: It's muy bueno.
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[12:27] TheJH: odie5533, I don't understand the question
[12:27] industrial: ruprict: gracias.
[12:27] TheJH: odie5533, arrays contain either references or primitives, if that's your question
[12:28] mikegerwitz: odie5533: reference
[12:28] odie5533: How do I do synchronous console output?
[12:29] Aikar: industrial: if oauth2, write your own
[12:29] Aikar: odie5533: console.error
[12:29] odie5533: util.puts seems to work
[12:29] Aikar: industrial: oauth2 is too trivial to bother using a prebuilt lib for
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[12:30] Aikar: client side*
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[12:31] ruprict: Aikar: Unless you want oath from FB, Twtter, github, and user/pass for your app.  Wouldn't you agree?
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[12:33] lanwin: hi
[12:33] lanwin: ive try to compile node on cygwin win7 x64
[12:33] lanwin: but i get 
[12:33] lanwin: g++: obj/release/snapshot.cc: No such file or directory
[12:33] lanwin: g++: no input files
[12:34] odie5533: lanwin: you could always download the precompiled binary
[12:34] odie5533: is there a reason you are trying to compile yourself?
[12:34] lanwin: i want to integrate it into my cygwin to use npm
[12:35] Aikar: ruprict: yeah if you want all that stuff (which im not saying you shouldnt) then yeah a lib would be best. i meant if your only looking to support oauth2, the consumer implementation is so simple its easier to write your own so it fits easily into your apps design
[12:35] lanwin: got some npm packages which are useing unix tools and so dose not work with the native win32 version yet.
[12:35] Aikar: i dont understand why developers insist on running server code under windows, even for development :(
[12:36] Aikar: if your going to write code and must use windows, why not just run a VM :(
[12:36] odie5533: Aikar: server code? I'm writing client apps.
[12:36] Aikar: unless your a microsoft coder goonie*
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[12:36] Aikar: odie5533: if your writing client code, whats node come into play then? lol
[12:36] odie5533: Aikar: It does everything?
[12:37] odie5533: I'm writing it 100% in node :D
[12:37] Aikar: so your running server code, run an ubuntu VM :P
[12:37] odie5533: what?
[12:37] Aikar: running it headless will keep resource use low
[12:37] odie5533: it's client code.
[12:37] Aikar: node.js != client code
[12:37] lanwin: Aikar: i for my self want to play with node...not running real apps on that so running development within a vm is not that comfortable
[12:37] odie5533: my application is not a meant to be run on some ubuntu server in a datacenter
[12:37] odie5533: it is made to be run on a home computer
[12:38] odie5533: by individual users
[12:38] lanwin: Aikar: if you run coffee script with node you run  a client app
[12:38] Aikar: ok so were using different forms of 'client'
[12:38] Aikar: i was referencing client as browser code
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[12:38] Aikar: so your building a windows app in node?
[12:39] Aikar: ok then well if thats your goal then i guess a vm is pointless :P
[12:39] industrial: hide yo wife hide yo kids!
[12:39] Aikar: you got it backwards industrial 
[12:39] industrial: oh :<
[12:39] industrial: I'd hide my wife fir.. i dunno actually.
[12:40] Aikar: he said it kids then wife, but anyways, protect your kids before you protect your wife, otherwise your wife is going to kill you if anything happens to your kids :P
[12:40] odie5533: Aikar: it's not a windows app. it's a computer app.
[12:40] odie5533: should work on windows and linux.
[12:40] industrial: prolly flop out my doublebarrelchainsawshotgun
[12:40] Aikar: pff, pop out my .40 cal!
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[12:41] TheJH: is there a static-analysis tool for node that could be used for an IDE?
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[12:44] TheJH: Aikar, industrial, didn't he say "hide your kids, hide your wife and hide your husband"? someone with a wife and a husband...
[12:46] Aikar: i dont recall him saying husband, def wasnt in the 'song' :P
[12:47] TheJH: Aikar, "And hide your husband cuz they're rapin everybody out here"
[12:47] random123: Is CoffeeScript really worth using? Or is it a bad trade off?
[12:47] TheJH: random123, I'd say that it's good
[12:47] Aikar: random123: if you like its syntax and shortcuts better
[12:48] Marak: upboat? http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2849862
[12:48] Marak: foss!
[12:48] Marak: >.<
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[12:48] Aikar: TheJH: yeah just watched song again lol
[12:48] random123: Well it seems like its users are very vocal about CoffeeScript... 
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[12:49] ruprict: random123: I am just really starting to move some stuff to CoffeeScript, and it's like any other new(-ish) language.  It can be hard to debug (the whitespace reliance can be maddening) but there are some definite wins.
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[12:49] TheJH: random123, ruprict, by the way: do you know #coffeescript ?
[12:50] random123: Lotta folks in there.
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[12:56] loveshine_: random123: with coffeescript it takes less time to code, it's easier to understand, and looks nice. the main downside is debugging. the trade off is worth it to me.
[12:57] TheJH: loveshine_, yes, debugging can be annoying if you have big/anonymous functions
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[12:59] keyle: is it here to stick though? ... 
[12:59] keyle: I developer enterprise software... I wouldn't even think bringing something like coffeescript to the table.
[13:01] ruprict: keyle: I think in the enterprise case, it'd be more a team decision. Coffeescript will very likely compile to cleaner/better JS than many teams will produce, so (ideally) many javascript issues go away…imho.  If your team likes the syntax and you can compile on the fly, etc., could be a win and improve maintainabilty/stabilty/etc.
[13:02] TheJH: keyle, why? you can always switch back, just compile everything.
[13:02] igl: train all your co workers in coffee script =D
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[13:23] hydrozen: Is it realistic to have a node application keep a socket connection opened to another application 24/7?
[13:24] TheJH: hydrozen, as long as you regularily send keepalive messages, it should work
[13:24] wink_: hydrozen: sure
[13:24] TheJH: hydrozen, if you don't send any data for a day or so, many firewalls will kill your connection
[13:25] TheJH: hydrozen, so send some data at least every hour or so
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[13:28] zooozooo: how do you guys send static files ? are you using  node or nginx or apache.. ?
[13:28] hydrozen: and do I need to do some handling to reopen the socket if something happens?
[13:28] hydrozen: also, will that give a noticable gain in speed or those 2 systems might as well communicate via a regular REST API?
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[13:34] zaxis42: ok here are my errors
[13:34] zaxis42: https://gist.github.com/1127546
[13:35] TheJH: (conversation with zaxis42 is a continuation of a conversation in #coffeescript, he has problems updating his ancient npm version)
[13:35] zooozooo: zaxis42, which version are you trying ?
[13:36] zaxis42: npm -v
[13:36] zaxis42: 0.2.19
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[13:36] TheJH: zaxis42, what does "node -v" say?
[13:36] zaxis42: noe -v v0.3.2-pre
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[13:37] TheJH: zaxis42, maybe you have to update node first
[13:37] TheJH: zaxis42, that node version is relatively old, too
[13:38] zaxis42: ok, looking on how to do that now
[13:38] zooozooo: try to update your google results too : https://github.com/isaacs/npm/issues/1185
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[13:38] zooozooo: npm requires node 0.4 or higher.
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[13:41] metamind: having some trouble with express. my view "home.jade" is rendering "layout.jade" but not "home.jade". 
[13:41] metamind: I'm not sure how to debug. Been at this for a while now...
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[13:45] brianc: are you being sure to invoke the "body" helper?
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[13:47] ruprict: metamind: Can you put your .jade files in a gist or something?
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[13:49] metamind: the output can be seen at: http://n4.craft-e.com:3000/
[13:49] metamind: my layout.jade contains: div xx
[13:49] metamind: my home.jade contains: div this is home.jade
[13:49] zaxis42: cool node -v v0.5.3
[13:50] metamind: this is my route:
[13:50] metamind: function loadUser(req, res, next) {
[13:50] metamind: 	console.log('hello')
[13:50] metamind: 	//console.log(util.inspect(req))
[13:50] metamind: 	next();
[13:50] metamind: }
[13:50] metamind: app.get('/', loadUser, function(req, res){ res.render('home', { 
[13:50] metamind: 	locals: { page: "home" } }) 
[13:50] metamind: })
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[13:51] ruprict: Mate, put this stuff in a gist (http://gist.github.com)
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[13:51] zaxis42: TheJH: Thanks! CoffeeScript version 1.1.2
[13:52] tjholowaychuk: there's also the #express channel for jade/ejs etc as well to de-clutter #node.js
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[13:52] metamind: https://gist.github.com/1127575
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[13:54] ruprict: metamind: So, make "div xx" into "div!=body" (I think)
[13:54] jbrokc: i'd like to read the code from a file, grep for something and then substitue the capture, and then write to the file. is the correct order -> foo = fs.readFileSync("filename"), foo.[replace or javascript search/replace?], fs.writeFileSync(foo) ? 
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[13:55] tjholowaychuk: metamind:  "body" is a local populated by the rendered html of whatever was passed to res.render()
[13:55] jbrokc: yeah, i have no idea how to do the equivalent of ruby's gsub method.
[13:55] tjholowaychuk: and since it's html you want to buffer it unescaped
[13:55] tjholowaychuk: body\n  #content!= body
[13:56] tjholowaychuk: or similar
[13:56] tjholowaychuk: jbrokc i dont recall exactly what it does but .replace(/foo/g, 'bar') ?
[13:56] jbrokc: tjholowaychuk: ah, i'll try that. thanks! how about my going abouts of reading and writing - is that how it works for node and it's buffers?
[13:57] tjholowaychuk: that's on a string
[13:57] jbrokc: or do i have to take the buffer from the readFileSync and change it to a string?
[13:57] jbrokc: thought so.. and does writeFileSync replace it's contents?
[13:57] tjholowaychuk: fs.readFile(path, 'utf8', callback)
[13:58] jbrokc: tjholowaychuk: cool beans. thanks
[13:59] TheJH: jbrokc, readFileSync(name, encoding) gives you a string
[14:00] jbrokc: what's the difference / reason to use fs.read and fs.readFile ? 
[14:00] jbrokc: is read for streams of data?
[14:01] TheJH: jbrokc, read is streaming, readFile is "load the whole thing in RAM and give it to me"
[14:02] jbrokc: TheJH: thanks. i was looking at read before readFile and got pretty confused. don't know why I typed readFileSync even though I was trying readSync at the time...
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[14:05] jbrokc: does javascript regex capture into \1 or something else?
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[14:06] TheJH: jbrokc, it captures into function arguments if I remember correctly
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[14:06] jbrokc: as in, the following didn't do anything for me: html.replace("/<!--\s+(.*)\s+-->/", '<!--\1-->')… so what would be the equivalent TheJH?
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[14:06] jbrokc: oh i have to add /gmi right...
[14:07] TheJH: jbrokc, if I remember correctly, html.replace("/<!--\s+(.*)\s+-->/", function(_, code) { return '<!--'+code+'-->';})
[14:07] jbrokc: whats the first argument to the callback?
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[14:08] mikegerwitz: jbrokc: Use $1
[14:08] jbrokc: mikegerwitz: i'll try that. thanks
[14:08] mikegerwitz: jbrokc: Also, you don't need quotes around the regex.
[14:08] jbrokc: good point
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[14:09] jbrokc: hmm.. $1 still didn't make the substitution.
[14:09] jbrokc: oh maybe because i haven't written to the file...
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[14:12] hydrozen: TheJH: is there a big advantage speed wise to have 2 systems communicate via a 'permanent' socket connexion compared to each system having its on little REST API and communicating via regular GET/POST/PUT/DELETE http requests?
[14:12] mikegerwitz: v8: 'foo bar'.replace( /foo (bar)/, '$1' );
[14:12] v8bot_: mikegerwitz: "bar"
[14:12] TheJH: oh
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[14:13] TheJH: hydrozen, dunno how big
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[14:13] metaverse: Say I want to deploy a new version of the service. The obvious way is to kill the server and start the new one (have all the clients reconnect). Is there a better way to do this? I was thinking that I would deploy the new service on a different port (have them both running at the same time) and have a delegator server in front of my service which would take all new connections to the new node instance and keep existing ones on the
[14:13] metaverse: Anyone that has experience with this?
[14:13] hydrozen: TheJH: how big what?
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[14:14] TheJH: hydrozen, dunno how big the speed advantage is
[14:14] stagas: hydrozen: it's big
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[14:16] jbrokc: this is weird. in the coffeescript REPL, i've read the file, replace the contents in it, and then I did `fs.writeFileSync "foo.html", text` yet when I read in again, it hadn't changed 
[14:16] stagas: jbrokc: good luck debugging cs
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[14:25] hydrozen: stagas: and managing that connexion will not be more trouble than worth it?
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[14:27] jbrokc: tjholowaychuk: name it "xanadu"
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[14:28] tjholowaychuk: haha :D
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[14:28] jbrokc: tjholowaychuk: tiki gods and shit
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[14:32] stagas: hydrozen: probably needs some more work but if you're not writing lots of data back and forth all the time then you can use http and be done with it
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[14:34] hydrozen: yeah its not a lot of data
[14:34] hydrozen: it's just the response time needs to be quick
[14:34] hydrozen: for example, the client will be viewing a video in Flash
[14:34] hydrozen: and at certain points in the video I'll need to send a message to an Asterisk server to send a phone call
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[14:35] hydrozen: so the timing of the request is rather important
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[14:42] stagas: hydrozen: plain http requests will do, if you need something more complex take a look at dnode or socket.io
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[14:43] hydrozen: stagas: yeah I looked into it already. socket.io is for websockets though right? it's when you want a socket opened between node and a browser?
[14:43] hydrozen: node between 2 node apps for example
[14:43] CIA-65: node: 03koichik 07master * rae77b4d 10/ doc/api/util.markdown : 
[14:43] CIA-65: node: Doc improvements
[14:43] CIA-65: node: Documents util.format().
[14:43] CIA-65: node: Thanks @bnoordhuis and @shigeki.
[14:43] CIA-65: node: Fixes #1424. - http://bit.ly/oghxz4
[14:43] stagas: hydrozen: I think you can use it between 2 node apps also
[14:43] brainproxy: hydrozen: socket.io gives you a socket-like abstraction for node and/or browsers
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[14:44] brainproxy: it may use websockets, but for those platforms which don't support websocket, it can fall back to long-polling
[14:44] brainproxy: but the transport layer implementation isn't something the socket.io user has to worry about
[14:45] brainproxy: it's "under the hood" and behaves the same whatever transport is negotiated between the client and server
[14:45] hydrozen: i dunno, i tried opening a connexion between Flash and socket.io… and it never worked
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[14:45] hydrozen: so I thought it was higher level or something
[14:45] brainproxy: hydrozen: flash sockets are the least preferrable fallback
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[14:46] n33uby: hi
[14:46] random123: Is there an elegant solution to Routing where you don't have them all in 1 file? I'm looking at Express and Sammy but that kind of bothers me, would it be possible to spread routes up across files?
[14:46] brainproxy: hopefully the client and server will first try websocket, then xhr, then ...
[14:46] tjholowaychuk: random123 they dont have to be in one file lol
[14:46] hydrozen: but for example you think I could use socket.io to open a socket to a Python application?
[14:46] tjholowaychuk: its just a method call, you can do that whereever you want
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[14:46] brainproxy: hydrozen: the python side would have to support the socket.io framework
[14:46] n33uby: i cannot install packages with npm. Anyone could help me?
[14:46] brainproxy: not sure if there is a socket.io implementation for python
[14:47] davidsklar: Do others also see "Internal routing error" when attempting to connect to http://search.npmjs.org/ ?
[14:47] hydrozen: yeah ok so that's what I meant. socket.io is like its own little implementation of websockets
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[14:47] hydrozen: on top of regular sockets
[14:47] davidsklar: And also at  http://registry.npmjs.org/-/all — which affects npm operations
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[14:47] brainproxy: hydrozen: it provides a more generic notion of a socket, yes
[14:47] brainproxy: which may use an actual websocket behind the scenes
[14:47] brainproxy: or may use another transport, just depending on the client
[14:48] TheJH: davidsklar, I'm affected, too
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[14:48] TheJH: isaacs isn't online :(
[14:48] n33uby: @davidsklar then that's the reason npm fails
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[14:49] davidsklar: ok, glad to know it's not just me :) 
[14:49] stagas: hydrozen: socket.io uses a little protocol over its transports, which requires you to write a specific client to connect to it from other languages/frameworks
[14:49] brainproxy: davidsklar: yah, the npm registry server thing seems to be down
[14:50] stagas: hydrozen: but you can use a simple websocket server if you don't care about other transports
[14:50] random123: tjholowaychuk: You wouldn't spread them across using "require" would you? Inside the scope of require its like a whole new scope?
[14:50] hydrozen: socket.io brings a lot of good stuff for node talking to multiple clients on the server. But I think for the communication between the two servers a regular socket might be enough
[14:50] hydrozen: its just little messages back and forth, nothing crazy
[14:51] tjholowaychuk: random123: there are at least 6 or 7 ways to do it
[14:51] n33uby: I'll return next days
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[14:51] tjholowaychuk: which is why express is not opinionated in that matter, you can do whatever you want
[14:51] random123: tjholowaychuk: Which way would you do it? Is this written somewhere?
[14:52] tjholowaychuk: random123 look at the examples in the repo
[14:52] random123: tjholowaychuk: ok
[14:52] tjholowaychuk: some readdir and auto-load, some do rails-style stuff etc
[14:52] stagas: hydrozen: yeah, the websocket though will abstract the negotiating stuff, handle connected clients and makes sure that messages arrive as a whole
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[14:53] stagas: hydrozen: where in a plain tcp connection you might get two or more messages as one, or half a message
[14:53] stagas: hydrozen: so you need to take care of that using delimiters
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[14:53] hydrozen: stagas: oh ok. well I guess today calls for experimentation then!
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[14:55] brianc: hai TJ! What's your ajax request lib for?
[14:55] fille: hello
[14:56] fille: i have a problem with socket.io
[14:56] tjholowaychuk: brianc just sick of jquery
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[14:56] brianc: ah sweet. so is for the client?
[14:56] stagas: hydrozen: when all else fails, use dnode, it's dead simple :P
[14:57] tjholowaychuk: brianc yup
[14:57] brianc: killer
[14:57] hydrozen: Whats dnode?
[14:57] fille: the thing is when i connect with a client, the client is sending 2 events
[14:57] wenbert: dnode is like nowjs?
[14:57] tjholowaychuk: brianc: i might duplicate the client for node too it's kinda nice
[14:57] tjholowaychuk: it's similar to superagent but i never really finished superagent
[14:57] brianc: agreed that would be nice
[14:57] stagas: hydrozen: https://github.com/substack/dnode
[14:57] tjholowaychuk: perhaps I should call it that and handle both
[14:57] tjholowaychuk: not sure
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[14:58] brianc: you're good at naming libs
[14:58] haxd: afternoon
[14:58] stagas: hydrozen: https://github.com/substack/dnode/tree/master/examples/bidirectional
[14:58] haxd: npm down perchance?
[14:58] brianc: "kue" is my fav i think
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[14:58] tjholowaychuk: brianc sucks because i want request.get() etc so i kinda want to just call it request haha but that's so boring
[14:59] tjholowaychuk: brianc tests so far https://gist.github.com/1127458
[14:59] tjholowaychuk: to get an idea for the api
[14:59] fille: https://github.com/fille/node-mume/blob/master/views/layout.jade
[14:59] haxd: tjholowaychuk: isn't there already a module called request?
[14:59] rgabo: hey
[14:59] fille: anyone know why the client is sending 2 events 
[14:59] fille: when connectiong
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[14:59] rgabo: the npm registry seems to be having issues.. anybody have an update?
[14:59] tjholowaychuk: haxd yeah
[14:59] PastorOff: hi, who use "GOST" algorithm on node https?
[15:00] rgabo: or knows what's going on…
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[15:00] haxd: fille: could be connecting via websockets and flashsockets
[15:00] haxd: fille: try limiting the ways in which socket.io connects
[15:00] haxd: (on the client)
[15:01] stagas: fille: maybe a transport fails and tries another one so it kinda connects again
[15:01] haxd: ^
[15:01] brianc: tjholowaychuk: i like this api. it brings the node-ish style to client side.
[15:01] haxd: fille: use a cookie to track connections so you don't have people connecting lots of times or so
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[15:01] brianc: and seems a bit closer to the http level
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[15:01] brianc: versus the 9 options jquery gives you for doing ajaz
[15:02] fille: true but still i emits inside
[15:02] fille: an jquery .clickj
[15:02] haxd: rgabo: npm's couchdb host is experiencing issues as far as i can tell. try downloading the module you need off github manually
[15:02] fille: need to fix the code anyway
[15:02] tjholowaychuk: brianc yeah the jquery one is REALLY bad
[15:02] tjholowaychuk: so inconsistent
[15:02] tjholowaychuk: and ugly / annoying
[15:03] brianc: yah i agree w/ that
[15:03] rgabo: yes, that's the workaround I'm doing, makes deploying to production tidbit harder though ;) (we `npm install` as part of the process)
[15:03] stagas: fille: put the client script in its own file, makes it easier to debug
[15:03] `3rdEden: tjholowaychuk we are so gonna steal your lib for socket.io ;)
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[15:03] haxd: rgabo: shouldn't rely on third party systems :P
[15:03] TheJH: maybe someone has a public couchdb that replicates npm registry?
[15:03] tjholowaychuk: `3rdEden what are you guys using?
[15:03] fille: stagas will do
[15:03] rgabo: ok, no more github
[15:03] rgabo: no more freenode
[15:03] rgabo: ;)
[15:03] `3rdEden: tjholowaychuk some custom stuff that rauchg build
[15:04] haxd: exactly
[15:04] tjholowaychuk: `3rdEden link? haven't seen it
[15:04] haxd: rgabo: i use a hosted git thing for git stuff on my own servers
[15:04] `3rdEden: tjholowaychuk it's mostly chopped in to parts
[15:04] `3rdEden: https://github.com/LearnBoost/socket.io-client/blob/master/lib/util.js#L156-174
[15:04] `3rdEden: https://github.com/LearnBoost/socket.io-client/blob/master/lib/transports/xhr.js
[15:04] rgabo: you're the lucky one to have enough time to maintain everything :)
[15:04] rgabo: we rather pay github folks and get on with it :)
[15:05] `3rdEden: https://github.com/LearnBoost/socket.io-client/blob/master/lib/transports/xhr.js#L149-167 <-- that shows the mess we have atm
[15:05] haxd: rgabo: i don't really, and I'm probably the lowest paid dev with my experience where i live :(
[15:05] rgabo: where would that be?
[15:05] TheJH: when isaacs comes back online, I'll ask him to get a second, free couchdb somewhere that replicates the one of npm and is hardcoded as fallback or so
[15:05] haxd: cardiff, wales, uk
[15:05] brianc: tjholowaychuk: could call it "xhr"
[15:05] haxd: i just have to "get on with it"
[15:06] rgabo: yeah, backup npm registry would be awesome
[15:06] haxd: ooh local npm back up ala apt / yum
[15:06] tjholowaychuk: `3rdEden cool cool. mine no doubt breaks with IE haha
[15:06] tjholowaychuk: haven't / wont test
[15:06] `3rdEden: tjholowaychuk: :D
[15:06] rgabo: registry comes back, i'm replicating to our servers
[15:06] rgabo: :)
[15:06] haxd: doo eet
[15:06] tjholowaychuk: should be little fixes though
[15:06] haxd: :)
[15:07] haxd: i've applied for a job in gibraltar but they haven't gotten back to me after the phone interview yet
[15:07] haxd: the lead dev has gone on holiday :(
[15:07] haxd: well, :D for him, :( for me
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[15:15] japj: bnoordhuis: can you also pull that into master node? (in case you're not already doing that now)
[15:15] bnoordhuis: japj: i was / i am :)
[15:15] japj: cool ;)
[15:15] bnoordhuis: sorry about that
[15:15] japj: np
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[15:18] CIA-65: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r69ce415 10/ deps/uv/src/uv-unix.c : 
[15:18] CIA-65: node: uv: fix build on systems that don't have pipe2()
[15:18] CIA-65: node: This is libuv commit 2fbcbe9, cherry-picked for node. - http://bit.ly/qAPe6P
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[15:19] Aiden: Please could someone help me try and sort out an npm problem I am having?
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[15:20] rgabo: Aiden: trying to install stuff?
[15:20] Aiden: I am trying to push my node application to Heroku and there are some errors. I would like to know how to test my package.json file locally
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[15:21] rgabo: the npm registry is down
[15:21] rgabo: so probably not the best time
[15:21] Aiden: ah, that might be the problem :D Thanks
[15:21] rgabo: http://registry.npmjs.org/
[15:21] rgabo: keep refreshin'
[15:21] rgabo: ;)
[15:21] rgabo: stick around and wait I guess
[15:21] Aiden: yep, that is the error I am seeing in the logs :) Explains a lot. Glad I didn't rip my file apart and start again, just incase it was my fault :S
[15:22] rgabo: yeah, same here
[15:22] rgabo: --verbose is helpful in these cases
[15:22] Aiden: Is there a way that I can make npm interact with my package.json file, in the way that Heroku does?
[15:23] Aiden: so that I can test it locally
[15:23] rgabo: i don't think Heroku does any magic with it, if you want to look at how dependencies, etc are handled
[15:23] rgabo: then either `npm install` or `npm link`
[15:23] rgabo: and `npm ls` give you an overview of how your package looks like
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[15:23] rgabo: nice ascii tree and all
[15:24] Aiden: Thanks. I have been using `npm ls` and it's nice ascii tree
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[15:24] rgabo: you can be super compatible and have npm 1.0.6 installed locally, as that is what Celadon Cedar has
[15:24] rgabo: but overkill
[15:25] CrisO: tjholowaychuk: what do you use for client side tests?
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[15:25] tjholowaychuk: CrisO a ~20-line custom thing
[15:25] tjholowaychuk: haha
[15:25] tjholowaychuk: test frameworks make me angry
[15:25] CrisO: haha - nice
[15:25] Aiden: rgabo: I tried `npm install` but it did nothing, I assume that is because all of the dependencies are already installed.
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[15:25] rgabo: `rm -rf node_modules` gives you a clean slate… ;)
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[15:26] Aiden: rgabo: `npm update` gives me registry errors, so I guess that is a way to at least have it parse the file and try to do something with it. The registry errors being because the site is down right now
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[15:26] rgabo: npm is unusable without the registry
[15:27] rgabo: bad timing for you, I guess
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[15:27] Aiden: lol, probably don't want to remove that folder right now :)
[15:27] rgabo: just have to wait
[15:27] rgabo: `mv node_modules foobar`
[15:27] rgabo: you can always move it back
[15:27] rgabo: its just files and a good directory structure
[15:27] Aiden: That's ok. I can at least test things locally and update it later when the registry is back. Thanks for all the info.
[15:27] rgabo: depending on your timezone, I would rather start planning the evening ;)
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[15:29] eazyigz: Hi, I am trying to understand why node doesn't tell me what line number it found a syntax error in
[15:29] wenbert: when I do a hgetall(), how would I handle the result? http://pastie.org/2325739
[15:29] TheJH: eazyigz, it normally does - can you gist nodes output?
[15:30] softdrink: It's just being mean. You have to give it candy first.
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[15:30] wenbert: I just get [object Object]
[15:31] eazyigz: TheJH: https://gist.github.com/1127775
[15:31] TheJH: eazyigz, no lines before that?
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[15:31] eazyigz: TheJH: nope.  This is nohup.out.  I run my script with nohup.
[15:32] rgabo: what are you editing with? you can make your editor find it
[15:32] rgabo: or just paste the file into jslint?
[15:33] TheJH: eazyigz, what does "node -v" say?
[15:33] eazyigz: TheJH: 0.4.8
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[15:33] TheJH: eazyigz, mhm, that's a relatively new version
[15:33] TheJH: no idea why it could fail that way
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[15:34] eazyigz: TheJH: kind of hard to track down errors in a large script like that.  I am using jQuery in node, so maybe node has a hard time understanding jQuery's syntax.
[15:35] tjholowaychuk: it's just js
[15:35] tjholowaychuk: lol
[15:35] TheJH: eazyigz, node can run everything that's valid js
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[15:36] TheJH: or at least compile
[15:36] tjholowaychuk: you do haev a lineno
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[15:36] rgabo: www.jslint.com, copy -> paste -> profit
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[15:36] tjholowaychuk: it's 134
[15:36] TheJH: !git context joyent/node src/node.js 134
[15:36] jhbot: 133   startup.globalTimeouts = function() {
[15:36] jhbot: 134     global.setTimeout = function() {
[15:36] jhbot: 135       var t = NativeModule.require('timers');
[15:37] ncb000gt: qq: was the npm registry supposed to be down for some reason?
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[15:37] Fullmoon: https://registry.npmjs.org/sinon 500s for me
[15:37] ncb000gt: yea
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[15:37] rgabo: 134
[15:37] rgabo: no need for ()
[15:38] ncb000gt: I was just  trying to pull down a module and no dice. Figured I'd come here and see.
[15:38] rgabo: no, that's stupid
[15:38] rgabo: :)
[15:38] TheJH: let's all go over into #iriscouch and tell that opped user to bring npm back online :D
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[15:39] ncb000gt: lol
[15:39] eazyigz: tjholowaychuk: maybe its 134, but why would it say 'node.js' instead of 'report.js' - which is actually my file name?
[15:39] ncb000gt: is it the iriscouch servers?
[15:39] ncb000gt: or is it just npm?
[15:39] tjholowaychuk: eazyigz look at the message / stack trace
[15:39] TheJH: tjholowaychuk, that's line 134 in src/node.js
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[15:39] context: make sure your npm is up to date. i had an issue and had to re-install it
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[15:40] TheJH: isaacs!
[15:40] rgabo: it seems to be *.npmjs.org being routed, not the actual iriscouch instances
[15:40] rgabo: savior
[15:40] isaacs: TheJH!
[15:40] rgabo: :)
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[15:40] TheJH: isaacs, do you have the power to bring npm back to life?
[15:40] ncb000gt: context: go to the site...
[15:40] ncb000gt: it's down
[15:40] rgabo: `curl http://registry.npmjs.org`
[15:40] eazyigz: tjholowaychuk: Module._compile (module.js:402:25)
[15:40] eazyigz: how does that help me?
[15:41] stagas: wenbert: because it's an object and not a string?
[15:41] isaacs: TheJH: nope, not really
[15:41] TheJH: isaacs, :(
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[15:41] TheJH: isaacs, how about adding a mirror server or so?
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[15:41] TheJH: (and hard-coding it into npm)
[15:41] isaacs: in teh meantime: npm config set registry http://admin.npmjs.org:5984/registry/_design/app/_rewrite
[15:42] rgabo: !!!1!oneoneeleven
[15:42] ncb000gt: isaacs: <3
[15:42] ncb000gt: ty
[15:42] rgabo: Aiden: ping
[15:43] Aiden: rgabo: pong
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[15:43] MaSch: isaacs: thx 
[15:43] isaacs: np
[15:43] rgabo: later, `npm config set registry https://registry.npmjs.org`
[15:43] isaacs: that's only temporary.  please don't publish into it :)
[15:43] rgabo: to revert
[15:43] isaacs: later, you can do: npm config delete registry
[15:43] ncb000gt: sure
[15:43] rgabo: ah, better
[15:43] isaacs: to remove your custom setting, and return to default
[15:43] rgabo: tx
[15:43] rgabo: great stuff
[15:43] Aiden: isaacs: thanks :)
[15:43] isaacs: you can also install from tarballs, link, etc.
[15:44] rgabo: isaacs: been doing that but tricky if tar ball has dependency inside in package.json
[15:44] isaacs: yeah
[15:44] rgabo: also, fully automated deploy, heroku, etc
[15:44] isaacs: yep
[15:44] sub_pop: ^_^
[15:44] Aikar: isaacs: eta on recovery? im not planning to do any npm stuff that i KNOW of.. so if its gonna be fixed over the weekend then im not gonna bother
[15:44] isaacs: Aikar: typically these things take < 1 hour
[15:44] rgabo: isaacs: any reference for npm config stuff?
[15:44] Aikar: k so yeah i wont need the backup lol
[15:45] rgabo: i see `npm config ls -l`
[15:45] Aikar: im tasked working outside of node today
[15:45] isaacs: Aikar: too bad :’(
[15:45] rgabo: y, sounds scary
[15:45] Aikar: isaacs: sadly im a PHP for day job :(
[15:45] isaacs: Aikar: there's honor in that.
[15:45] Aikar: but occasionally get to use node for another project
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[15:46] Aikar: even though now my boss is giving me shit bout using node since cant have as quick of a turnaround for things than you could with php lol...
[15:46] Aikar: but running a long lived socket server in PHP when i got node? nothx
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[15:47] Aikar: even though before i found node ive written a REALLY stable implementation to do everything id need in php...
[15:47] TheJH: eww, networking in php scripts
[15:48] Aikar: yeah, as i said, primarily a PHP dev, but moved on to node for all things personal now. so ive done quite a bit of 'uncommon' stuff in PHP
[15:48] Aikar: like IPC and networking with async IO
[15:48] Aikar: in php... :/
[15:48] Aikar: now that code sits dead :D
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[15:49] MaSch: isaacs: for some reasons npm tries to download from http://undefined:5984/ instead of http://admin.npmjs.org:5984/
[15:49] Aikar: i need to write a node.js bridge to my PHP IPC framework so i can make node.js modules on my IRC bot lol
[15:49] MaSch: Aikar: sounds cool 
[15:49] isaacs: MaSch: npm config ls <-- gist that
[15:50] Aikar: while php is def not the best language for networking and such, it def works IF you know what your doing...
[15:50] Aikar: my bot has 100% stability in PHP, with a multi process IPC system to run each "Module" in its own process
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[15:50] MaSch: isaacs: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/453179/
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[15:50] MaSch: Aikar: how do you do the ipc? sharedmem ? 
[15:51] Aikar: same way as node, sending serialized data over stdin/stdout
[15:51] MaSch: okay, sounds cool 
[15:51] Aikar: and the io for those are async
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[15:52] MaSch: i was planning to write a php lib for working as a nodejs "worker" 
[15:52] TheJH: it would be funny to have a http server in PHP :D
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[15:52] Aikar: http://mechwarz.com/serverload.png 
[15:52] MaSch: TheJH: there are some afaik 
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[15:53] Aikar: thats the server i setup for a game i wrote last year
[15:53] Aikar: MaSch: ^
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[15:53] MaSch: isaacs: do you see errors? 
[15:53] softdrink: http://www.phpsadness.com/
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[15:54] MaSch: softdrink: thats a incomplete list i think
[15:54] JaKWaC: Anyone else having problems with NPM? I'm getting a unexpected token ILLEGAL error.
[15:54] MaSch: php i broken beyond repair :D 
[15:54] softdrink: yeah it's a little slim
[15:54] isaacs: MaSch: you're using npm 0.3?
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[15:54] isaacs: MaSch: I'd say upgrade to 1.0, but that's not possible at the moment.
[15:54] MaSch: isaacs: O.o ohh.. yes i think i am. forget to update it on this machine 
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[15:55] MaSch: JaKWaC: its currenty broken, isaacs know about it and it will be fixed sooon.. i belive :D 
[15:55] Fullmoon: Unexpected T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM - brilliant
[15:56] isaacs: Fullmoon: Ahh, Paamayim Nekudotayim
[15:56] MaSch: can we stop bashing php? Thats no fun.. to easy
[15:56] JaKWaC: MaSch: Alrigth, thanks.
[15:56] isaacs: gotta say, that's one of the most googleable error messages ever.
[15:57] MaSch: if you ever read the php internals mailing list you know why the language is that broken
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[15:58] TheJH: MaSch, some funny quotes, please
[15:59] MaSch: iirc there was a discussion about rewriteing the error messages so new users know whats wrong 
[15:59] MaSch: e.g. replace these constant names by real values 
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[16:00] Fullmoon: isaacs: Fortunately, PHP has poor unicode support, or it would be Unexpected T_פעמיים נקודתיים‎
[16:00] tjholowaychuk: MaSch that's pretty typical
[16:00] tjholowaychuk: '::' vs that crazy thing
[16:00] tjholowaychuk: haha
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[16:00] MaSch: but it was rejected because there may be projects that rely on the error messages how the are
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[16:00] tjholowaychuk: brutal :(
[16:00] jpstrikesback: anyone else exp. ish connecting to the npm server?
[16:00] isaacs: yes
[16:00] softdrink: 
ACTION pets node

[16:00] MaSch: and thats the whole history "we cant fix it because some idiot might use this" 
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[16:01] jpstrikesback: k
[16:01] softdrink: "Who's a good Nodey?" *pat pat*
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[16:04] MaSch: :-/ isaacs you did a bad thing. Now i'm to lazy to install this library by myself :-(
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[16:04] isaacs: hahah
[16:04] isaacs: spoiled!
[16:05] jesusabdullah: hah!
[16:05] jesusabdullah: Why did I join the mailing list :(
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[16:05] darshanshankar: is Twitter switching to a Node stack?
[16:05] darshanshankar: #rumorneedsconfirming
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[16:06] MaSch: darshanshankar: afaik they are currently using pyhton, is this correct? 
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[16:06] tjholowaychuk: isnt it java now?
[16:06] jesusabdullah: What, wholesale? I doubt it
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[16:06] darshanshankar: i thought they were scala tjholowaychuk 
[16:06] MaSch: maybe its C# *rofl* 
[16:06] jesusabdullah: Yeah, I thought they rewrote large parts in java for performance reasons
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[16:06] jesusabdullah: scala, java, close enough as far as I'm concerned ;)
[16:06] tjholowaychuk: darshanshankar isnt that jvm?
[16:06] tjholowaychuk: haha
[16:07] darshanshankar: sorry meant to go to MaSch 
[16:07] darshanshankar: yeah
[16:07] tjholowaychuk: i guess that doesnt really make it java
[16:07] tjholowaychuk: but hey
[16:07] darshanshankar: java, scala, still not touching that boat
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[16:07] darshanshankar: but seriously. i just heard they're switching to Node O_O
[16:08] jesusabdullah: Well, the java thing hit the wire just a few days ago
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[16:08] TheJH: darshanshankar, that would be *cool* - who said that?
[16:08] jesusabdullah: so I bet that, while they're investigating throwing node into the stack, that "switching" isn't in the cards
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[16:08] TheJH: :(
[16:08] darshanshankar: they've been using scala for a year now iirc
[16:08] jesusabdullah: I mean, once your stack gets over a certain size it's typically relatively atomic parts that can all be in different languages, y'know?
[16:08] darshanshankar: but i guess they're experiment
[16:09] darshanshankar: experimenting*
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[16:10] jpstrikesback: is tehre any docs on how to install a module manually with this new node_modules recursive convention
[16:10] jpstrikesback: ?
[16:10] jpstrikesback: that npm follows/creates
[16:10] en3r0work: ello
[16:10] rgabo: tar xvzf?
[16:10] en3r0work: i am trying to explain to a friend that javascript can be a good language to use. he is used to java / c++
[16:10] TheJH: jpstrikesback, unpack, view package.json, unpack dependencies?
[16:11] isaacs: jpstrikesback: https://github.com/isaacs/ryp is an implementation in bash
[16:11] jpstrikesback: the dependencies are in folders above it
[16:11] en3r0work: coffeescript came up as a way to make it nicer to use, does anyone else have opinions?
[16:11] jpstrikesback: awesome
[16:11] isaacs: jpstrikesback: just put the package in the node_modules folder
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[16:11] isaacs: that's about it
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[16:11] isaacs: jpstrikesback: npm help folders <-- very informative as well
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[16:11] darshanshankar: jpstrikesback: https://github.com/isaacs/npm/tree/master/doc everything!
[16:11] jpstrikesback: yeah, doing that and it's saying dependencies unmet cause they're in "node_modules" folders above or beneath
[16:12] jpstrikesback: thanks, looking thru them too
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[16:12] isaacs: jpstrikesback: i've got an open issue on that (not seeing deps that are above)
[16:12] isaacs: jpstrikesback: npm likes them to be underneath, it doesn't look "up"
[16:13] isaacs: only digs down from a specific root
[16:13] jpstrikesback: cool
[16:13] isaacs: it's trickier to climp up the tree than down it
[16:13] jpstrikesback: k, nice to know
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[16:14] MaSch: *looking tv and waiting for npm* :D 
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[16:17] TheJH: MaSch, did you see isaacs' workaround?
[16:18] isaacs: ok, so, if you flush your dns cache, it should be working-ish within an hour
[16:18] MaSch: i don't works for me, old npm :/ 
[16:18] MaSch: i failed :D 
[16:18] isaacs: just changed the cname to admin.npmjs.org and added a proxy using http-proxy
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[16:19] metamind: anyone watching the juno launch? It's off in 6 mins.
[16:19] metamind: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2011/08/juno-poised-to-launch-to-planet-jupiter.html
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[16:20] rgabo: metamind: npm config set registry http://admin.npmjs.org:5984/registry/_design/app/_rewrite
[16:20] rgabo: unless you want to procrastinate
[16:20] rgabo: ;)
[16:20] rgabo: sorry, I meant MaSch 
[16:20] rgabo: worked like a charm for me
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[16:21] TheJH: rgabo, he said that his npm is to old
[16:21] TheJH: *too
[16:21] rgabo: ah, missed that
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[16:25] jpstrikesback: rgabo: thanks for that registry link, what do I set it back to in an hour or so :)
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[16:26] jpstrikesback: just registry.npmjs.org?
[16:26] darshanshankar: metamind: damn thats beautiful
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[16:37] Roshambo: Is npm down?
[16:38] isaacs: yeah, should be back up shortly, once dns points at the new cname.
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[16:38] Roshambo: Ah, cool. So I'm not crazy then.
[16:38] Roshambo: Thanks!
[16:38] isaacs: Roshambo: or npm config set registry http://admin.npmjs.org:5984/registry/_design/app/_rewrite
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[16:38] isaacs: Roshambo: and `npm config del registry` to go back to default later
[16:39] TheJH: !remember alt-npm "npm config set registry http://admin.npmjs.org:5984/registry/_design/app/_rewrite" and later "npm config del registry" to go back to default
[16:39] jhbot: that value starts with a non-alphanumeric character, I don't want to store bot commands
[16:39] TheJH: !remember alt-npm do "npm config set registry http://admin.npmjs.org:5984/registry/_design/app/_rewrite" and later "npm config del registry" to go back to default
[16:39] jhbot: saved definition of 'alt-npm'
[16:40] Roshambo: Perfect -- thanks so much!
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[16:42] Nuck: 
ACTION yawns a good morning

[16:42] softdrink: has anyone run into a malloc error when calling Socket.end()?
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[16:47] brianc: softdrink: yeah, that's how node ends it's sockets. it just mallocs wrong on purpose. very elegant solution imo.
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[16:47] brianc: softdrink: j/k. no.  That's a pretty nice bug if you can easily reproduce it.
[16:47] softdrink: actually it's looking like that's just a coincidence… problem is likely in protobuf_for_node
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[16:47] brianc: word
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[16:48] yhahn: hm, looks like npm is back up but the registry looks old?
[16:48] isaacs: yhahn: yep
[16:48] ifandelse: anybody know if it's possible to get CPU profiles or heap snapshots using Eclipse to debug node apps?
[16:48] isaacs: it's a few days behind
[16:49] yhahn: isaacs: should i just sit tight for a bit?
[16:49] isaacs: yhahn: just pointed the server at a replica
[16:49] isaacs: yhahn: yeah, i'll be pointing it back at the other one once it's back up
[16:49] yhahn: isaacs: cool, maybe i'll make a sandwich in the meantime : )
[16:50] MaSch: isaacs: what node version is required for npm >1 ? 
[16:51] isaacs: MaSch: 0.4 or higher
[16:51] isaacs: MaSch: pref. stable
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[16:51] MaSch: "npm info latest = npm@1.0.22 not supported by node@v0.4.9"
[16:51] isaacs: MaSch: also, you have to reinstall fresh, can't just `npm install npm`, because a bunch of stuff changed
[16:51] MaSch: okay
[16:51] isaacs: ircretary: inst MaSch 
[16:51] ircretary: masch: `curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sh` (or, if there are permission issues, you can try: `curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sudo sh`)
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[17:20] Nuck: http://fenn.posterous.com/nodejs-a-giant-step-backwards You guys read this?
[17:20] Nuck: Made me giggle.
[17:21] tuhoojabotti: And made you feel funny inside?
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[17:23] Nuck: tuhoojabotti: The person just grossly misunderstands NodeJS, and I'm pretty sure they don't comprehend JS either.
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[17:24] tuhoojabotti: I didn't read the article.
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[17:26] Nuck: There should be a big, bold disclaimer on the node site.
[17:26] Nuck: "CAUTION: May cause headaches"
[17:27] chjj: wait let me make sure im reading this right
[17:27] tuhoojabotti: Node.js doesnt', php does.
[17:27] tuhoojabotti: :P
[17:27] chjj: is anyone else reading, "CALLBACKS ARE HARD WTF"
[17:27] chjj: cause thats all i see here
[17:27] Nuck: tuhoojabotti: For coders coming from sync, it's hard.
[17:27] tuhoojabotti: chjj: That's the common complaint.
[17:27] Nuck: chjj: Basically
[17:27] tuhoojabotti: Nuck: I came from sync.
[17:27] tuhoojabotti: n-sync
[17:27] tuhoojabotti: :u
[17:27] tuhoojabotti: I haven't slept for over a day
[17:27] Nuck: That, and they're like "WTF NO RETURN"
[17:27] TheJH: chjj, I see "I THOUGHT that callbacks are bad"
[17:28] Nuck: I've gotten so used to the lack of an ability to return, so it's no problem for me :P
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[17:29] tuhoojabotti: I have been awake for 1 day 11 hours and 30 minutes
[17:29] Nuck: I used to get tripped up by that, now I just use callbacks in all my code.
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[17:29] chjj: i use callbacks when i dont have to
[17:29] jtsnow: The article is actually praising node. It's just a commentary on the learning curve
[17:29] Nuck: chjj: I do sometimes too :P
[17:29] tuhoojabotti: chjj: If you can, you have to. :u
[17:30] chjj: tuhoojabotti: true dat
[17:30] chjj: !
[17:30] airportyh: ]
[17:30] Nuck: jtsnow: It's not too hard, you just gotta retrain your brain not to think in terms of "return" and whatnot.
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[17:31] Nuck: tuhoojabotti: I still return for quick utility functions.
[17:31] Nuck: Mostly things that wrap a chunk of non-I/O code
[17:31] AvianFlu: I get mad at all the people who say "nested callbacks are too ugly."  SO DON'T NEST THEM!
[17:31] Nuck: callbacks would just add another function call, which isn't great.
[17:31] Nuck: AvianFlu: I consider it fine.
[17:31] Nuck: I use the indentation to get a vague idea of the order of execution.
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[17:37] chjj: what is this guy talking about
[17:37] chjj: "if statements dont work"
[17:37] chjj: what?
[17:38] tjholowaychuk: `3rdEden: http://visionmedia.github.com/superagent/ it's not all there yet but it's a start
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[17:38] `3rdEden: tjholowaychuk i'll check it out :)
[17:39] chjj: at least this guy didnt say node is a static file server like the other one
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[17:40] `3rdEden: tjholowaychuk nice 1px scrollbar ;)
[17:40] Nuck: chjj: "NODE SUCKS LOLOLOLOLOL" — IBM
[17:40] `3rdEden: Got me searching for a while :p
[17:40] tjholowaychuk: `3rdEden pfft!
[17:40] tjholowaychuk: who uses scrollbars
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[17:41] tbranyen: i disable scrollbars in opera
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[17:41] chjj: pfft
[17:41] tbranyen: might work better if i had two finger scrolling
[17:41] chjj: who uses opera
[17:41] tbranyen: hipsters
[17:41] `3rdEden: tbranyen I disabled opera
[17:41] `3rdEden: :D
[17:41] chjj: rofl
[17:41] tjholowaychuk: tbranyen mwahaha
[17:42] `3rdEden: tjholowaychuk node port would be awesome as well :P
[17:42] `3rdEden: saves us time porting socket.io-client to node ;)
[17:42] tjholowaychuk: `3rdEden yeah I plan to, that's what superagent used to be but I wanted the name for this one
[17:43] tjholowaychuk: it's actually a lot less awkward with xhr than node's http client stuff haha
[17:43] tjholowaychuk: unfortunately
[17:43] `3rdEden: yes
[17:43] `3rdEden: but syntax sugar isn't something that node should provide
[17:43] tjholowaychuk: nah it's not really the sugar portion
[17:44] chjj: well if all you want is buffered responses, xhr's might be more convenient hehe
[17:44] tjholowaychuk: it's just tough to extend things they way they are
[17:44] tjholowaychuk: in some ways
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[17:44] tjholowaychuk: i can't recall at the moment but I had to jump through hoops to get a nice progressive api on top of the current node stuff
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[17:45] chjj: ah you give back a "res" object, i modeled my xhr functions that way as well
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[17:45] tjholowaychuk: `3rdEden https://gist.github.com/1128078 is what the old node superagent stuff was
[17:46] chjj: sick of ajax functions throwing raw data in your face
[17:46] tjholowaychuk: i'll do similar and add it back
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[17:46] Fabryz: so, what are the current node hosting platform you use for Node.js? Me no.de (joyent) and nodester
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[17:46] chjj: ive been using ec2
[17:46] `3rdEden: tjholowaychuk yeh that looks sweet
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[17:48] Fabryz: anyone else?
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[17:49] chjj: no one else uses node, they just like to hang out here
[17:49] Fabryz: meh
[17:49] Fabryz: it's me and you then
[17:49] Fabryz: =)
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[17:51] jchris: this synchronous http client http://olegp.github.com/common-node/doc/httpclient/index.html … CouchDB has a bunch of synchronous xhr unit tests and I'd like to run them under node. Is this a good starting place?
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[17:52] chjj: what the hell is flush-8:0?
[17:52] chjj: anyone know?
[17:52] chjj: keep seeing this process pop up
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[17:55] Fabryz: google gives the answer
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[17:59] kadiks: hi
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[18:00] hydrozen: What does setKeepAlive() do on a socket? Is it supposed to prevent the timeout event? Let's say I setKeepAlive(1000) and setTimeout(10000) I should never get the timeout event?
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[18:10] kavla: So got a weird question: My node app is slow as dirt when doing an http.get. On node 4.10 on OSX Lion. My coworker's machines on the same networks with the same version of node and OSX don't exhibit this behavior at all
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[18:12] kavla: (by slow as dirt I mean http timeout slow ~10-20 seconds)
[18:12] chjj: kavla, what do you mean its slow? do you mean a single request is slow?
[18:12] kavla: yep
[18:12] chjj: i see
[18:12] chjj: not sure then
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[18:15] ismell: is there a ppa for 0.5.x version of node ?
[18:16] ismell: or is there an equivelent of buffer.readInt32(offset, endian) on 0.4 ?
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[18:17] chjj: ismell: an equivalent?
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[18:18] chjj: n = buff[i++]; n = n << 8 | buff[i++]; n = n << 8 | buff[i++];
[18:18] chjj: could just do that
[18:18] chjj: ;)
[18:18] isaacs: if you set your npm registry to something weird as a temporary workaround, you can `npm config del registry` now to return to the default.
[18:18] chjj: and so on
[18:18] chjj: till you get 2 32 bits
[18:18] chjj: to even*
[18:19] ismell: guess I'll just make me a little function to do that :)
[18:19] ismell: thanks
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[18:21] Anton_: is child_process_spawn/fork blocking operation?
[18:21] context: whats it return
[18:22] Anton_: i don't know, node docs doesn't like to tell about returning values
[18:22] chjj: it returns a process object, no i dont think it is blocking, it would defeat the point of all the evented stuff afterward
[18:22] context: yeah node docs are bad at that :(
[18:22] hydrozen: if i got a socket opened, how can I send data to it every x seconds? I'm trying to use setTimeout but it seems to call my function only once..
[18:22] context: anton_: fork() in C returns the child PID. id assume spawn() is at least going to block until it can return a pid 
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[18:23] chjj: spawn doesnt return a pid though
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[18:23] chjj: it could return an object instantly, for you to bind events to
[18:23] Anton_: hm.. can i use send() right after forking?
[18:23] chjj: 
ACTION goes to check the code

[18:24] Anton_: will child get that message? or it can be still uncreated
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[18:25] context: anton_: try it ?
[18:25] context: i dont think you will start WW3 if you just try it
[18:26] Anton_: it can have race condition
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[18:26] Anton_: so my results can be incosistent, that's why I ask it here
[18:27] context: i think you just answered yourself.
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[18:27] context: how are you communicating to it
[18:27] Anton_: to what?
[18:28] context: the child
[18:28] context: stdin/out ?
[18:28] Anton_: process.send(), how else?
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[18:29] context: ahh. i dont see send() anywhere in docs either :/
[18:29] Anton_: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.5.2/api/child_processes.html#child_process.fork
[18:30] context: oh .5 :x
[18:31] Anton_: yep :)
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[18:31] context: anton_: maybe see if you can send a message from the child to tell the parent its 'ready'
[18:31] Anton_: it's not a big deal, I just thougth maybe someone will pop up and say 'yes, it's guaranteed the child will get message' 
[18:32] chjj: hmm looks like it might be blocking actually?
[18:32] context: you already said its not gauranteed
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[18:32] Anton_: context: yes, i'm thinking to do that. Just checked.
[18:32] chjj: the internal process object's spawn method is called right away, which in turn calls uv_spawn
[18:32] chjj: and returns pid
[18:32] chjj: a pid*
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[18:33] chjj: and uv_spawn of course calls fork to get a pid
[18:33] chjj: :)
[18:33] Anton_: context: i said it *might* be not guaranteed :)
[18:33] context: 3:26     Anton_| it can have race condition
[18:33] context: 13:26  dreamdust| ~dreamdust@c-24-6-147-28.hsd1.ca.comcast.net has left #Node.js ; 
[18:33] context: 13:26     Anton_| so my results can be incosistent, that's why I ask it here
[18:33] context: i took that as 'i did, its inconsistent'
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[18:33] Anton_: context: no, I just described possibility :)
[18:34] Anton_: and chjj here says it's blocking
[18:34] context: you could always try running a test a few ten thousand times
[18:34] chjj: well, im looking at the uv version
[18:34] context: if fork returns pid, the process has staretd.
[18:34] context: but i dont know how ipc works and if the child doesn't have an event handler setup yet
[18:34] context: does it sit in a queue or disappear
[18:35] context: im guessing send() is using some weird ipc or node internal ipc?
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[18:35] Anton_: i'm gonna go safe way and send 'ready' message to parrent
[18:36] chjj: https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/5a49522ba77e1b7bc648fd7f09d54e9583fb22ac/lib/child_process_uv.js#L266
[18:36] chjj: https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/2bbb46842848b8def1188932755054aa808ccbe6/src/process_wrap.cc#L149
[18:37] chjj: https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/69ce415d38e093072cb60179e8d7f0f76f68c88c/deps/uv/src/uv-unix.c#L2306
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[18:38] context: uv_spawn() does not return the pid
[18:38] context: but it is set in the object.
[18:38] Anton_: chjj: thanks
[18:38] chjj: yeah, you can see its used a few lines below in js land
[18:39] context: oh right :x
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[18:40] pspeter3: What is the syntax to pass in a variable to a module and have the module export a set of methods?
[18:40] chjj: to pass a variable to a module you require?
[18:40] context: chjj: any easy way to find like object definitions in node stdlib, are all methods in lib/ or any easy way to see method list in src/ for native methods
[18:41] chjj: some stuff is defined in c land, some is in js land, some is just wrapped in js land
[18:42] pspeter3: chjj: I want to create a static class that uses the same object around it
[18:42] context: kk so there is no like struct for each type that lists all of them though
[18:42] context: or even a single place for each object where all methods are registered with v8 or something like that
[18:43] chjj: pspeter3: if you want to pass a variable *to* a module, the simplest way is, require('./module')(foo), and have that module expose `module.exports = function(foo) { ... }` and return an object
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[18:44] pspeter3: thanks chjj
[18:44] chjj: context: im not sure, what do you mean?
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[18:44] context: chjj: doc shows child.send() but i dont see send() anywhere in cc or js :/
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[18:45] chjj: where is child.send in the docs?
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[18:46] context: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.5.3/api/child_processes.html#child_process.fork
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[18:47] chjj: ok, well in the non-uv version i can show you where it is
[18:47] chjj: https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/5a49522ba77e1b7bc648fd7f09d54e9583fb22ac/lib/child_process_legacy.js#L56
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[18:47] chjj: you can see its just a stream sending json messages
[18:47] context: ahh haha
[18:48] jetienne: chjj: do you know why the prefix is uv__ ? i mean the 2 underlines
[18:48] context: looks like its not in uv yet
[18:48] context: they arent underscores, they're squinty eyes
[18:48] chjj: dont know
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[18:50] technoweenie: hey does node have binary packing functions
[18:51] chjj: not the well-known `pack` functions
[18:51] Anton_: hw, they add '\n' automatically
[18:51] chjj: the buffer api got improved recently though
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[18:51] chjj: you can do buff.writeUInt32, etc
[18:52] technoweenie: is that in 0.5 only
[18:52] japj: technoweenie: you might want to try https://github.com/bigeasy/node-packet
[18:52] chjj: im not sure, i think they mightve landed in 4.10 actually, let me check
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[18:52] technoweenie: doesnt look like it
[18:53] chjj: yeah, .5 then
[18:53] technoweenie: hmm http://phpjs.org/functions/pack:880
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[18:53] chjj: you can always do stuff by hand ;)
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[18:55] tjholowaychuk: should be easy enough to grab the new buffer stuff i would think
[18:55] tjholowaychuk: unless there are plans to backport it anyway
[18:55] Nuck: v8: Number.prototype.plusOne = function (){ return this+1 }; 3.plusOne();
[18:55] v8bot_: Nuck: SyntaxError: Unexpected token ILLEGAL
[18:55] chjj: yeah, you can copy paste it i guess
[18:55] Nuck: lol
[18:56] Nuck: as expected
[18:56] chjj: or just conditionally load it as a module if Buffer.prototype.writeInt32 doesnt exist
[18:56] tjholowaychuk: I still would like to see passing of a C struct
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[18:56] Nuck: I really wish it'd tell you WHAT symbol is the problem.
[18:56] tjholowaychuk: to compile a buffer thing that would [un]pack
[18:56] Nuck: That'd be wonderful.
[18:57] tjholowaychuk: kinda gimmicky i guess but sorta cool
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[18:57] Nuck: v8: Number.prototype.plusOne = function (){ return this+1 }; Number(3).plusOne();
[18:57] v8bot_: Nuck: 4
[18:58] CIA-65: libuv: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r787ef5d 10/ src/uv-unix.c : 
[18:58] CIA-65: libuv: uv-unix: Fix missing symbols on FreeBSD7 systems.
[18:58] CIA-65: libuv: thanks Lenny - http://bit.ly/oSNBJF
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[19:00] blueadept: anyone use textmate with the jade bundle on mac os x 10.7?
[19:00] blueadept: for some reason when i open a jade file the CPU pegs at 100%
[19:00] tjholowaychuk: blueadept crashing?
[19:00] tjholowaychuk: haha
[19:01] tjholowaychuk: yeah checkout an older commit for now
[19:01] TheEmpath: hail nodelings
[19:01] blueadept: aight
[19:01] tjholowaychuk: the guy that patched js syntax stuff messed somethig up
[19:01] TheEmpath: i be looking for a mysql module similar to mongoose.. any delicious recommendations?
[19:02] kersny: TheEmpath: I like sequelize for ORM stuff on mysql: http://www.sequelizejs.com/
[19:02] technoweenie: hey the node docs say the binary encoding for Buffers is going away
[19:02] technoweenie: new Buffer(data, 'binary')
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[19:03] technoweenie: will hash.digest() be able to output buffers then
[19:03] TheEmpath: kersny: whew.. thats alot of nifty functionality
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[19:04] context: Project.[sync|drop]().on(
[19:04] context: how does that work !
[19:04] TheEmpath: anything sequalize can use to dump to generate models based on established tables in sql?
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[19:10] Sazpaimon: Anyone here have any idea if its possible to build uv on openbsd?
[19:10] Sazpaimon: there doesn't appear to be a uv-openbsd
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[19:15] context: sazpaimon: you could always try it ?
[19:15] Sazpaimon: I did, and it fails
[19:15] context: if it builds on freebsd there is possibly good chance it works on openbsd
[19:15] context: oh :/
[19:15] Sazpaimon: it fails because config-unix.mk does not take into account openbsd
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[19:16] Sazpaimon: I tried feeding it freebsd's stuff, and it still fails
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[19:16] Sazpaimon: openbsd does not seem to have KERN_PROC_PATHNAME
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[19:17] Sazpaimon: I can attempt to define it and see what happens
[19:17] Sazpaimon: also, KERN_PROC is depricated in favor of KERN_PROC2 in openbsd, so line 53 of uv-freebsd.c also fails
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[19:25] Nuck: lol
[19:26] Nuck: Having to explain Mongo to a friend and cofounder of this company lol
[19:26] Nuck: They're like "What's the : operator?"
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[19:27] tjholowaychuk: haha
[19:27] tjholowaychuk: it could be a pair operator
[19:27] tjholowaychuk: of some kind
[19:27] tjholowaychuk: haha
[19:27] ruprict: Tell him it's the = sign, but you are just much farther away.
[19:28] Nuck: ruprict: That's cruel
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[19:28] Nuck: tjholowaychuk: I jsut told him "Everything in Mongo is JSON" and directed him to mongly.com
[19:29] tjholowaychuk: "it breaks alot"
[19:29] tbranyen: BISON
[19:30] Nuck: tjholowaychuk: What does?
[19:30] Nuck: Mongo?
[19:30] tjholowaychuk: mongo
[19:30] tjholowaychuk: haha
[19:30] Nuck: Not if you scale it right ;)
[19:30] tjholowaychuk: only from personal experience
[19:30] tjholowaychuk: it breaks far more than redis for me
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[19:30] Nuck: Not as much as Couch, that's for sure.
[19:30] tjholowaychuk: which is 0 for redis
[19:30] tjholowaychuk: and like 20 for mongo
[19:30] Nuck: Well, Mongo is more powerful :P
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[19:30] Nuck: Redis is a simpler key-value store
[19:30] tjholowaychuk: hence more breakage
[19:30] tjholowaychuk: i know
[19:30] tjholowaychuk: lol
[19:30] Nuck: Mongo is a full-on database system
[19:30] oliland: how does couch / mongo "break"?
[19:30] Nuck: But it's FAR stabler than Couch
[19:31] Nuck: 
ACTION points to NPM

[19:31] Nuck: 'nuff said.
[19:31] oliland: tru dat
[19:31] kristsk: database, eh?
[19:31] kristsk: how about transactions, locks, isolation and stuff?
[19:31] isaacs: Nuck: mongo is "far stabler than Couch"?
[19:31] isaacs: Nuck: what do you think you mean when you say that?
[19:32] jesusabdullah: Moar stablers
[19:32] japj: well, unless we know what exactly caused the issues with the npm registry. who can tell if something similar could have happened with mongo
[19:32] Nuck: isaacs: what jesusabdullah said :P
[19:32] jesusabdullah: pffsht
[19:32] isaacs: Nuck: i think jesusabdullah was making fun of you
[19:32] jesusabdullah: I have a feeling their stabilities are on par homie
[19:32] isaacs: i measure stability in data loss.
[19:32] Nuck: isaacs: I know, I'm joking.
[19:32] isaacs: couch wins.
[19:32] jesusabdullah: I *have* heard that mongo is web scale, though.
[19:32] Nuck: isaacs: Well, if Mongo is set up for scalability and redundancy, you'll be fine ;)
[19:32] jesusabdullah: isaacs: Is couch web scale?
[19:33] Nuck: jesusabdullah: Very good question.
[19:33] isaacs: we've beat the hell out of the npm registry, and so far, data loss has not been a problem.
[19:33] oliland: everything is roflscale
[19:33] Nuck: I know Mongo is webscale though.
[19:33] mjr_: I've found CouchDB to be astoundingly stable.  It's just way too slow for large databases.
[19:33] japj: what *is* webscale?
[19:33] kristsk: yeah, what is ?
[19:33] jesusabdullah: Does /dev/null support sharding?
[19:33] kristsk: like facebook size or somth?
[19:33] Nuck: japj: Can it host 100 pornsites worth of traffic?
[19:33] mjr_: I believe there are two valid answers for that: Riak and Cassandra.
[19:34] mjr_: There are lots of joke answers though.
[19:34] japj: ah, are you the person trying to name your startup?
[19:34] Nuck: jesusabdullah: totes
[19:34] Nuck: japj: Me?
[19:34] Nuck: >_>
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[19:34] japj: someone here was trying to name his startup, and all they could come up with was porn related names ;) nvm
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[19:34] mjr_: tjholowaychuk: what stability issues did you have with mongo?
[19:34] Nuck: japj: That was me :B
[19:34] japj: LOL!
[19:34] Nuck: japj: STill holding onto those 10 names.
[19:35] Nuck: If I ever wanna do a porn spinoff, I'll be prepared.
[19:35] tjholowaychuk: mjr_ just crashing a lot, our prod setup is fine we have redundancy but locally it crashes pretty often for me
[19:35] mjr_: yikes
[19:35] tjholowaychuk: which I just found annoying because people make fun of redis for being "unstable" yet I've never had an issue once
[19:35] tjholowaychuk: and people forget you can configure these things
[19:35] tjholowaychuk: haha
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[19:35] Nuck: tjholowaychuk: Hmmm I've never crashed my local mongos
[19:35] isaacs: tjholowaychuk: "unstable" is the worst empty annoying comment to say about software.
[19:36] mjr_: redis is "unstable" only because it doesn't actually try to save your data very often.  But it's very honest about this shortcoming.
[19:36] isaacs: tjholowaychuk: everything's "unstable".  i turned off the server, and it just died.
[19:36] isaacs: that's so unstable!
[19:36] tjholowaychuk: mjr_ yeah plus you can configure that
[19:36] tjholowaychuk: hahaha
[19:36] Nuck: isaacs: There is a certain point where "unstable" is a damn good description.  Like deviantART chats.  They break from so much as a load balancer failing over on another site.
[19:36] isaacs: express: unstable, because it cannot survive turning off the power to themachine.
[19:36] mjr_: Thankfully, everything these days is also very lightweight.
[19:36] mjr_: You know, thing wrappers.
[19:36] mjr_: Oh, and easy to use.
[19:37] japj: isaacs: btw, nice dirt'y talk you gave recently ;)
[19:37] bradleymeck: isaacs: it doesn't work on windows === unstable / unusable / ugly / random slur / inefficient / insecure / ... (it all goes back to comfort)
[19:37] Nuck: isaacs: Express can survive anything but that though, I think.
[19:37] Nuck: bradleymeck: But can it run Crysis?
[19:37] tjholowaychuk: even with the power off!
[19:37] isaacs: japj: thanis
[19:37] Nuck: Anyways, so when this guy is done learning Node + Mongo + Express (my company's web stack), he wants me to test him.
[19:37] isaacs: *thanks
[19:37] Nuck: Any ideas of tests for him?
[19:38] skampler: using redis in conjunction with more persistent storage makes a lot of sense
[19:38] Nuck: Does memcached work for Mongo?
[19:38] Nuck: >_>
[19:38] japj: what happens if you stomp his feet? (or you don't mean test *him*?)
[19:38] jbrokc: if I give two arguments to fs.writeFileSync, the default encoding is set for me as the third right?
[19:39] Nuck: japj: lolwat
[19:39] japj: nvm
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[19:39] Nuck: But, any ideas for how to test comprehension of Node and such?
[19:40] oliland: i didn't realise mongo was so popular these days. i thought all the cool kids were on couch
[19:40] japj: yep, they relax
[19:40] oliland: but couchapps are so annoying. "lets put all our middlewear in the db!" herp derp
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[19:41] Nuck: I'm on Mongo since I always dreamt of queryable JSON
[19:41] jesusabdullah: Speaking of daterbases: I'm thinking about writing a thing where you post timestamped data and then pull it back out
[19:41] pspeter3: oliland: Maybe it's regional. I've always heard people using mongo over couch
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[19:41] jesusabdullah: would mongo or couch be a better fit?
[19:41] Nuck: jesusabdullah: Sounds like redis.
[19:41] Nuck: timestamp = key, data = value
[19:41] Nuck: key value store
[19:41] oliland: mongo has a better ruby driver thats for sure
[19:42] Nuck: Mongo has a good Node driver too
[19:42] Nuck: And since it's JSON, it feels fucking great.
[19:42] bradleymeck: Nuck, 1. install some modules / use one (doesnt really matter which) 2. explain how event emitters actually work / why you may want to process.nextTick during sync events. 3. Explain how they deal with complex procedures that typically incur nesting if you just put it all together
[19:42] jesusabdullah: like, if I push {time: "12:00pm" event: "cigarette"} and then later pull out all times that match event cigarette, for example
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[19:42] oliland: couch is json too
[19:42] jesusabdullah: mongoose looked pretty nice
[19:42] Nuck: jesusabdullah: Ewwww Mongoose sucks :V
[19:42] jesusabdullah: it might be nice too to add, say
[19:43] Nuck: Worst.  Thing.  Ever.
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[19:43] jesusabdullah: {time: *timestamp*, event: 'ciggy', number: 0.8, comments: 'On way to work'} say
[19:43] ruprict: Nuck: Why so?  I am using it in a spike and it's working well
[19:43] Nuck: bradleymeck: I probably couldn't even answer #2 lol
[19:43] jesusabdullah: Why is it worst thing Nuck ?
[19:43] Nuck: jesusabdullah: It's fucking CLUNKY.
[19:43] jesusabdullah: I haven't tried to use it irl, i just saw a presentation on it
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[19:43] jesusabdullah: YOU're clunky!
[19:43] Nuck: It's pretty damn bulky.
[19:44] Nuck: and it FEELS bulky
[19:44] jesusabdullah: ah
[19:44] Nuck: yeah
[19:44] Nuck: I like my shit lightweight
[19:44] jesusabdullah: like most orms, huh?
[19:44] Nuck: Or at least to FEEL lightweight
[19:44] tjholowaychuk: all ORMs are clunky
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[19:44] Nuck: It's not an ORM
[19:44] Nuck: It's on top of Mongo
[19:44] Nuck: There is no relational there
[19:44] tjholowaychuk: it's going to get 10000x worse with proxies
[19:44] skampler: jesusabdullah: I've done what you described with redis.
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[19:44] jesusabdullah: skampler: Oh? Right on :D maybe that's the way to do it then!
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[19:44] Sazpaimon: Okay Im am throughouly confused why my change to uv-unix.c is not being picked up by gcc
[19:45] zaxis42: how do I unstall node?
[19:45] Sazpaimon: it keeps compiling it as if I mae no change at all
[19:45] Nuck: jesusabdullah: Mongo is a queryable array of JSON objects.
[19:45] skampler: jesusabdullah: yes, check out the rpush and lpop commands :) redis has a queue data structure
[19:45] Nuck: Redis is a single JSON object
[19:45] zaxis42: I'm trying to upgrade and when I install it still says node version v0.3.2-pre
[19:45] Nuck: At least, this is my understanding
[19:45] jbrokc: if I give two arguments to fs.writeFileSync, the default encoding is set for me as the third right?
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[19:45] tjholowaychuk: Nuck redis has nothing to do with json lol
[19:45] Nuck: tjholowaychuk: I know, but the general concept of key-value storage
[19:45] tjholowaychuk: right
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[19:45] tjholowaychuk: well
[19:46] tjholowaychuk: it has other data structures too
[19:46] Nuck: It's an analogy :P
[19:46] jbrokc: sets, lists..
[19:46] oliland: sets are pretty interesting
[19:46] jesusabdullah: /!\ ATTENTION: /!\ Redis is now used with ORMs only. That is all.
[19:46] bksf: hi everyone, i understand how modules work and classes etc. however, i wanted to separate the logic from a bunch of methods into lib without having to encapsulate them within soem exported object, ie libName.methodName() .. how would i do that?
[19:46] Nuck: D:
[19:46] Nuck: jesusabdullah: That's horrible.
[19:46] Nuck: Anyways, DOES memcached work with Mongo?
[19:46] jesusabdullah: /!\ ATTENTION: /!\ All coding decisions will now be made to haze Nuck. That is all.
[19:46] Nuck: Or will I hafta cache shit myself?
[19:47] Nuck: jesusabdullah: lol
[19:47] xerox: /!\
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[19:47] Nuck: jesusabdullah: Any publicity is good publicity :D
[19:47] oliland: why would you want memcached on top of mongo?
[19:47] jesusabdullah: Oh yeah, we also decided that callbacks are no longer used in node. The idiomatic way to program is now with coroutines.
[19:47] jesusabdullah: Have fun!
[19:47] pandark_: :D
[19:48] Nuck: oliland: To speed up common queries, but actually Mongo has that shit builtin, IIRC?
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[19:48] jesusabdullah: I thought mongo was already webscale :(
[19:48] oliland: can we emulate GOTO's in JS?
[19:48] Nuck: jesusabdullah: It is, but so is MySQL ;)
[19:48] Nuck: And they still put memcached in front of that
[19:48] zaxis42: how do I unstall node?
[19:48] zaxis42: I just tried "sudo make uninstall"
[19:49] bradleymeck: oliland: long answer : yes, short answer only with labelled break/continue
[19:49] zaxis42: but "node" still works
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[19:49] xerox: zaxis42: step one: install it to a directory of YOUR choice, step two: delete such directory : )
[19:49] Nuck: bradleymeck: Wow, that's horrific D:
[19:49] bksf: anyone, ?
[19:50] Nuck: I know dA managed to make a chat client using nothing but spaghetti code.
[19:50] oliland: isnt facebook still php and mysql?
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[19:50] bradleymeck: Nuck, sometimes its needed for performance, but question if you really need that
[19:50] Nuck: And I don't mean in the sense of "shitty code", I mean it in the sense of "function hell"
[19:50] oliland: (for the most part, i understand they use cassandra now)
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[19:50] Nuck: oliland: They have a new DB layer yeah
[19:50] Nuck: cassandra
[19:50] wink_: oliland: in parts, their stack is much more complicated than just "php/mysql"
[19:50] Nuck: But they are still PHP
[19:51] Nuck: wink_: Their stack is .*
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[19:51] wink_: ^^
[19:51] Nuck: It's a little bit of everything
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[19:51] Nuck: Google's is mostly custom-built, I know.
[19:51] technoweenie: some cassandara, some hbase, some mysql
[19:51] jbrokc: does writeFileSync need a third argument for encoding or does the docs mean that "encoding='utf8'" will be its default if not provided? 
[19:51] bradleymeck: default
[19:52] Nuck: technoweenie: Lord only knows how many languages they used on it
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[19:52] Nuck: Java, PHP, and probably a bit of every other language ever
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[19:53] perezd: npm still having problems?
[19:53] isaacs: perezd: no
[19:53] zaxis42: how do I remove node?
[19:53] isaacs: perezd: shoudl be fine now
[19:53] Nuck: So I'm totally gonna release the finances of my startup using the same index as Groupon is using.
[19:53] chjj: zaxis42: never remove node, never
[19:53] perezd: isaacs: taking a long time to download deps on EC2
[19:54] isaacs: perezd: no idea
[19:54] fille: why do i dont get this to work
[19:54] fille: d.toString().replace("\r\n","<br>")
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[19:54] Nuck: Call it "profit" when it's leaving off almost all expenses.
[19:54] zaxis42: my node version is v0.3.2-pre
[19:54] isaacs: fille: why are you replacing "\r\n"?
[19:54] zaxis42: and I can't seem to upgrade it
[19:54] fille: isaacs its going out to a socket.io client
[19:54] zaxis42: so I was trying to see if removing it forst would fix it
[19:54] isaacs: fille: so it has \r in it?
[19:55] zaxis42: any ideas on how to remove node?
[19:55] fille: the server is spitting out newline for linux and windows
[19:55] isaacs: fille: anyway, you probably want this:  .replace(/\r\n/g, "<br>")
[19:55] perezd: rm -rf /
[19:55] isaacs: fille: or .split("\r\n").join("<br>")
[19:55] fille: i will try the split
[19:55] perezd: zaxis42: where is it installed to
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[19:56] perezd: its all pretty self contained, you just delete it.
[19:56] zaxis42: not sure it's been a while, how can I find out?
[19:56] perezd: which node
[19:56] wink_: 'which node'
[19:56] perezd: type that command
[19:56] perezd: its probably in /usr/local
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[19:56] zaxis42: in /Users/Chadams/local/bin/node
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[19:57] perezd: so whats in /Users/Chadams/local /
[19:57] perezd: ?
[19:57] fille: isaacs thanks  it worked now i just need to fix som css :D
[19:57] zaxis42: um... what is node-waf?
[19:57] zaxis42: perhaps I can just remove them both
[19:57] perezd: yes
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[19:59] japj: zaxis42: node-waf is the build system to compile node C++ addons
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[19:59] zaxis42: ok, I also have a "node" fodler under local
[20:00] bksf: for some reason im getting undefined here with this, but im looking in firebug and seeing a post go through with a key of url. any idea why i get undefined when i log it? app.post("/create", function(request, response) {
[20:00] bksf: 	var url = request.param("url");
[20:00] bksf: even better .. is there some type of var_dump() ie like php ?
[20:00] fille: hrm now i need to replace all the blank spaces with &nbsp, better to do it on the client side
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[20:01] context: not even going to ask wth you are doing
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[20:02] context: bksf: cause thats wrong .. ?
[20:02] bksf: context: ok .........
[20:02] fille: https://github.com/fille/node-mume
[20:02] fille: this is what im doin :D
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[20:03] bksf: context: ok any pointer as to how "its wrong"
[20:03] jesusabdullah: mume?
[20:03] context: err oops
[20:03] context: wrong channel :/
[20:03] jesusabdullah: 400 wrongs
[20:03] jesusabdullah: *armcross*
[20:03] context: bksf: ignore me, i dont know if thats right or wrong or how to fix it
[20:03] fille: mume :D
[20:04] jesusabdullah: cute, fille 
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[20:04] fille: lotr fan :D
[20:05] bksf: i was missing this, whoops app.use(express.bodyParser());
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[20:06] fille: anyone know who the creators of the html5 terminal app is?
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[20:07] fille: based on node.js
[20:07] xerox: TermKit?
[20:07] xerox: it's on github
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[20:07] fille: jsTerm
[20:08] xerox: is it a full-featured terminal emulator?
[20:08] xerox: (unlike term kit)
[20:08] Sazpaimon: well, looks like I got node to build on openbsd
[20:08] Sazpaimon: gmake test seems to be hanging on test-child-process-kill
[20:08] fille: yes
[20:08] tjholowaychuk: xerox that would be sweet
[20:09] tjholowaychuk: something that actually works
[20:09] xerox: tjholowaychuk: I know right
[20:09] tjholowaychuk: and is decently fast
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[20:09] japj: Sazpaimon: cool, any chance you can submit a patch for getting it  working on openbsd?
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[20:11] perezd: is there a way to tell socketio to act secure even if its not secure?
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[20:12] Sazpaimon: japj, would you accept a patch that fails 10 gmake tests?
[20:13] Sazpaimon: i know one of them is due to me not having a high enough ulimit
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[20:14] japj: Sazpaimon: well, I can't commit anything, so technically it wouldn't be me that needs to accept :) .. but I know that not all tests currently pass for other targets aswell. if you can name them along with the patch that would help I guess
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[20:27] CIA-65: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07gyp * rea4b3b6 10/ gyp/gyp_node : gyp fix build again - http://bit.ly/r2skiu
[20:27] CIA-65: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07gyp * rf250a01 10/ (.gitignore gyp/gyp_node gyp/all.gyp gyp/node.gyp): gyp: fix makefile build - http://bit.ly/q4VKD2
[20:29] sfoster: is there an example somewhere of piping content into node e.g. cat somefile | myscript.js ? 
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[20:36] bradleymeck: sfoster : cat package.json | node -e 'process.openStdin();process.stdin.on("data",function(data){console.log(data+"")})'
[20:36] bradleymeck: you will have to remove the event listener once you start your main part of the program
[20:37] sfoster: ok looks like I have that working. But I'm not sure how I know if there's anything piped to me. Is that even possible? 
[20:38] bradleymeck: mmm since stdin is being filled by the terminal im not sure
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[20:38] kadiks: I use MongoDB for my application. Is it better to have on DBAdapter as global or I open a new DBAdapter in every class I need it ?
[20:39] mscdex: sfoster: you could do a simple setTimeout(fn, 1); probably to check
[20:40] mscdex: sfoster: https://gist.github.com/731575
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[20:42] odie5533: can I call node with piped input?
[20:42] xerox: why not!
[20:42] AvianFlu: yeah, I mean, what's wrong with `curl http://someguy.com/hisnodescript.js | node`
[20:42] xerox: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.10/api/streams.html#stream.pipe
[20:43] xerox: for an example
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[20:43] odie5533: AvianFlu: a lot of things...
[20:43] xerox: o
[20:43] tbranyen: really like what odie5533 ?
[20:43] odie5533: who is this someguy?
[20:43] AvianFlu: I mean does it not run or are you saying it's not safe
[20:43] odie5533: Why do we trust his node scripts?
[20:43] odie5533: =P
[20:43] AvianFlu: that's your problem, lol
[20:43] AvianFlu: I'm just saying yes, you can pipe something to node
[20:43] odie5533: It did work, I was able to compile my program and pipe it into node in one go
[20:44] context: how you compile?
[20:44] odie5533: cpp
[20:44] jesusabdullah: Last I checked piping to node didn't work but that was ages ago
[20:44] mscdex: it does
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[20:45] jesusabdullah: it does?
[20:45] mscdex: it does
[20:45] bradleymeck:  cat package.json | node -e 'process.openStdin();process.stdin.on("data",function(data){console.log(data+"")})' works on 0.4.x here
[20:45] mscdex: ;-)
[20:46] jesusabdullah: ah, -e
[20:46] jesusabdullah: well
[20:46] jesusabdullah: you can't pipe a js file and expect it to run, I guess is what I mean
[20:47] xerox: you can't?
[20:47] jesusabdullah: What I mean is
[20:47] jesusabdullah: echo "console.log('foo!');" | node
[20:47] jesusabdullah: or some such
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[20:48] jesusabdullah: Last time I looked into that stuff was circa node 0.2.x though
[20:48] bnoordhuis: it's been discussed a couple of times
[20:48] bnoordhuis: i think the consensus was that no one really uses that so why add support for it?
[20:48] Sazpaimon: so it looks like v8 will not compile with -Werror
[20:48] Sazpaimon: at least on OBSD
[20:48] bnoordhuis: Sazpaimon: what version of gcc?
[20:49] Sazpaimon: I *think* 4.2, I'm in the middle of a compile now so Im not sure
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[20:49] Sazpaimon: that's probably my problem though, but its what OpenBSD gave me
[20:49] jesusabdullah: bnoordhuis: Yeah, that sounds legit to me
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[20:49] jesusabdullah: I'm not saying it *should* I'm just sayin' ;)
[20:50] bradleymeck: its really odd that if you pipe something to node stdin wont keep your program open
[20:50] bradleymeck: but it will if you dont pipe to node
[20:50] Sazpaimon: yes, gcc 4.2.1
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[20:50] bnoordhuis: Sazpaimon: i think there are / were some known issues with gcc 4.2.x
[20:50] bnoordhuis: Sazpaimon: do you have a newer compiler installed?
[20:51] bnoordhuis: 4.4.x and 4.5.x are all known-good
[20:51] Sazpaimon: bnoordhuis, I wouldn't doubt it, but i dont think openbsd has a package for gcc 4.4, I may have to compile it
[20:51] Sazpaimon: the only warnings im getting is warnings with sprintf
[20:51] bnoordhuis: Sazpaimon: you can strip out the -Werrors from deps/v8/SConscript
[20:51] Sazpaimon: such as "deoptimizer.cc:620: warning: format '%08x' expects type 'unsigned int', but argument 2 has type 'long unsigned int'"
[20:51] Sazpaimon: yeah I already did that
[20:52] bnoordhuis: ^ that's a legitimate complaint though
[20:52] bnoordhuis: it'll probably do the wrong thing on big-endian 64 bit systems
[20:54] Sazpaimon: bnoordhuis, this is a 32 bit system
[20:55] bnoordhuis: Sazpaimon: then you're in the clear: sizeof(unsigned) == sizeof(unsigned long)
[20:55] softdrink: tjholowaychuk:  does connect not play well with 0.5.0+?
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[20:55] Sazpaimon: yeah, but that doesnt stop gcc from complaining, and with -Werror as the default, this is broken
[20:55] tjholowaychuk: softdrink I haven't even tried
[20:55] tjholowaychuk: I figured I would have to answer less questions about breakage
[20:56] tjholowaychuk: if I capped the version
[20:56] tjholowaychuk: but I was wrong :d
[20:56] softdrink: haha fair enough
[20:56] Sazpaimon: i guess I can complain to the v8 gcode project, then maybe I'll see a fix in a few months
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[20:56] Sazpaimon: the patch to get v8 to compile on openbsd has been left uncommited for about 2 months now
[20:57] bnoordhuis: Sazpaimon: probably not a high priority
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[20:58] bnoordhuis: there are probably two v8 users on openbsd, you and the guy that wrote the patch
[20:58] Sazpaimon: http://code.google.com/p/v8/issues/detail?id=996 oh look, someone already filed a bug report simmilar
[20:58] Sazpaimon: almost 9 months ago, no comments
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[21:05] mscdex: Sazpaimon: what version of node are you trying to compile?
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[21:09] Sazpaimon: mscdex, 0.5.3. I think I got it compiling without issue now on OpenBSD
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[21:12] Tidwell: does anyone know of a good module for md5 - the ones I've found either have dependancies that I don't want to deal with or virtually no documentation
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[21:12] AvianFlu: Tidwell: isn't md5 no longer a secure hashing algorithm?
[21:12] EyePulp: md5 has a lot of collisions, but its very fast.
[21:12] bnoordhuis: Tidwell: require('crypto')
[21:12] EyePulp: and cheap cpu wise
[21:12] Tidwell: AvianFlu: im not using it for security
[21:12] Sazpaimon: How do I submit a patch for this? Just fork and push my changes there, then do a pull request?
[21:13] EyePulp: and crypto is built in
[21:13] Tidwell: AvianFlu: just for generating hashes basiclly
[21:13] AvianFlu: gotcha
[21:13] bnoordhuis: Sazpaimon: v8 fixes?
[21:13] AvianFlu: yeah, listen to bnoordhuis then, Tidwell ;)
[21:13] Sazpaimon: bnoordhuis, no, node fixes
[21:13] AvianFlu: if you compiled node with openssl available, you'll have it in crypto
[21:13] Tidwell: AvianFlu: bnoordhuis ohh perfect! thanks guys
[21:13] softdrink: neat. crypto has sha512
[21:13] bnoordhuis: Sazpaimon: yeah, fork and a pull request (and please sign the CLA)
[21:14] Sazpaimon: bnoordhuis, node will not build on openbsd, uw is not configured for it. I believe I fixed it
[21:14] Tidwell: 
ACTION shoulda RTFM

[21:14] EyePulp: mmm sha512
[21:14] bnoordhuis: Sazpaimon: but we don't take patches for the in-tree version of v8
[21:14] softdrink: how expensive is sha512?
[21:14] tbranyen: $0
[21:14] EyePulp: $3.25
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[21:14] Sazpaimon: bnoordhuis, then node will still not build until this patch gets accepted
[21:14] tbranyen: damn loch ness monster
[21:14] softdrink: ask a stupid question… :P
[21:14] EyePulp: paypal'd to me upon each use.
[21:14] tbranyen: 3 fitty
[21:14] Sazpaimon: (the v8 patch)
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[21:15] bnoordhuis: Sazpaimon: sorry but it's too much hassle to maintain out-of-tree v8 patches
[21:15] EyePulp: 
ACTION hopes for infinite loops.

[21:15] Sazpaimon: http://code.google.com/p/v8/issues/detail?id=1445 this patch, specifically
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[21:15] Sazpaimon: I feel for the guy. A really simple patch just ignored
[21:16] Sazpaimon: it may still build on openbsd amd64, so its probably not a total wash
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[21:17] japj: well, if we can link to a nodejs bug on the v8 tracker they might see that there is a 'need' for the patch
[21:17] japj: it could help getting it in the v8 mainline ;)
[21:18] rmustacc: He needs to send it to the codereview.
[21:18] japj: in a way, node is bringing v8 to places it hasn't gone before
[21:18] rmustacc: They don't look at patches there.
[21:18] rmustacc: At least that's a must faster way to make sure that it gets done.
[21:19] Sazpaimon: do you guys accept in-tree changes to libuv? I know you have a seperate place for it, so I'm not sure
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[21:19] rmustacc: Sazpaimon: Generally the changes are made to libuv and node updates to the newer version.
[21:20] Sazpaimon: I already made all my changes in-tree to libuv, though :/
[21:20] bnoordhuis: Sazpaimon: yes - though i don't think anyone of us has a openbsd ready to check
[21:20] japj: if you make a patch, it'll probably apply to the out of tree libuv aswel
[21:21] japj: but you need to sign the CLA to have the patch accepted in the first place
[21:21] Sazpaimon: yes I'll do this, let me just fork everything and fix this
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[21:22] softdrink: i'm guessing the sha512 is handled deep in OpenSSL, so it should fit my purposes just fine
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[21:34] markdaws: Hi - I have some startup code in my node app that needs to execute (making some backend network calls to read config values etc) before I can start listening for network requests and processing data,  I know that I could have my init method have a callback that is executed when everything is ready, but just wondering how I could make the init method syncronous (like the syncronous file IO methods node has), is there a recomme
[21:34] markdaws: nded way to do this in node?  web workers or some other API?  Thanks.
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[21:36] mjr_: markdaws: just don't start listening until your init steps are complete.
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[21:38] markdaws: mrj_ I wanted the code to look like this:    init();  listen();   not init() { ...   listen(); }   so have init() be a syncronous call
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[21:39] aklt: isaacs: Hi, I have been searching for a fuse binding for node and saw you had a placeholder for it on github, how is it going?
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[21:43] TheJH_phone: markdaws, I'd say it's impossible
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[21:44] markdaws: Hi TheJH_phone - I guess I could write a bit of native code that I call into from JS that has threading, but wondered if there was an easier way :)
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[21:45] CrabDude: isaacs: has anyone built an auto-publisher for github => npm?
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[21:45] TheJH_phone: markdaws, I completely forgot fibers
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[21:45] TheJH_phone: !@markdaws npm search fibers
[21:46] KristjanS: hey, i'm trying to do operations with node_redis. anyone have experience with that package? the script successfuly connects to server, but any operations such as set and get return false. can't find any errors, what to do?
[21:46] CrabDude: I saw https://github.com/kriszyp/cpr "CommonJS Package Repository with Git Integration"
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[21:46] CrabDude: (obviously not npm)
[21:47] fille: well i got a html based mud-client   :P
[21:47] tjholowaychuk: CrabDude wtf
[21:47] tjholowaychuk: lol
[21:47] mjr_: KristjanS: the API in node_redis is completely async.  The return values are simply used for throttling.
[21:47] fille: its alive!
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[21:49] mjr_: KristjanS: your issue is basically the same as markdaws'.  The node APIs are mostly async, on purpose, which can mean a pretty big mental shift if you aren't used to writing code like that.
[21:49] mjr_: If you are used to browser programming, pretend that all I/O you want to do is on the other end of an XHR, and then you'll be in the right mindset.
[21:49] jerrysv: fille: did you ever play diku-based muds, like sillymud or epic?
[21:50] fille: mume is dikubased
[21:50] jerrysv: i worked on epic and silly back in the day
[21:50] fille: ohh cool
[21:50] fille: i played some starwarsmud 
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[21:51] KristjanS: mjr_: that's awesome, thanks
[21:51] fille: but mume is my teen years in highschool
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[21:51] jerrysv: so was silly/epic for me :)
[21:51] fille: :D
[21:51] jerrysv: late 80's, very early 90's
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[21:51] loveshine_: how do i authenticate with the http module when calling request?
[21:51] fille: heheh im talkin 99 - 06
[21:52] mjr_: KristjanS: if you have other issues or bugs with node_redis, please open an issue on the github repo.  I'm usually pretty good at fixing problems when people report them.
[21:52] jerrysv: http://www.amazon.com/Playing-Muds-Internet-Rawn-Shah/dp/0471116335/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312581114&sr=8-1
[21:52] jerrysv: <-- in the index :)
[21:52] fille: jerrysv impressive
[21:52] fille: jerrysv well so since people whant a htmlbased client, not flash nor javaApplet
[21:53] CrabDude: tjholowaychuk: ? wtf cool or wtf why?
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[21:53] tjholowaychuk: CrabDude wtf why haha
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[21:53] tjholowaychuk: they are very anti-node/npm/everything
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[21:53] TheJH_phone: loveshine_, read about basic http auth on wikipedia
[21:53] CrabDude: tjholowaychuk: commonJS?
[21:54] tjholowaychuk: yeah with jsgi etc
[21:54] tjholowaychuk: no one really uses it
[21:54] isaacs: CrabDude: yeah, someone wrote a github hook
[21:55] isaacs: CrabDude: npm-github-somethingsomething
[21:55] CrabDude: sweet
[21:55] bassui: does jade.renderFile('mytemplate.jade') render user-defined javascript functions in mytemplate.jade? i can't use something like - var sum = my_sum_function(a,b)
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[21:56] tjholowaychuk: bassui it's just regular js
[21:56] tjholowaychuk: - var myThing = whatever you want
[21:56] tjholowaychuk: though it's best to pass those as locals when possible
[21:56] tjholowaychuk: var in a template sucks
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[21:58] CrabDude: isaacs: any thought to integrate something like this into npm? package.json::repository:{type:"git",url:"github.com/asdf",autoPublish:true} ?
[21:58] ismell: hrmm my npm is broke
[21:58] isaacs: CrabDude: where would the "integration" go?
[21:58] isaacs: CrabDude: you are asking for a github commit hook, not an npm plugin
[22:00] CrabDude: isaacs: Well, I guess I'm imagining an automatic github commit hook for npmjs.org if repository.autoPublish=true (and url is github)
[22:00] bksf: question and maybe this sounds silly. why does the mongo db module work like this: var mongodb = require("node-mongodb-native/lib/mongodb"); vs. the other modules i've worked with so far var module = require("modue");
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[22:01] isaacs: CrabDude: there is a github commit plugin thingie already that publishes whenever you push a tag that is a semver.
[22:01] CrabDude: so more like specifically "integrate something like this into npmjs.org"
[22:01] isaacs: (i think)
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[22:02] CrabDude: sure, guess it'd be cool for that to be built in and merely an opt-in in package.json
[22:02] CrabDude: but it makes sense that it's ont
[22:02] CrabDude: *not
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[22:16] isaacs: CrabDude: the issue is that you have to hook it into your git repo on github (or wherever)
[22:17] isaacs: CrabDude: the npm registry doesnt' watch your commits
[22:17] isaacs: it has no idea what git is
[22:17] CrabDude: i'm realizing that about Post-Receive URLs
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[22:18] CrabDude: but it could ;P (not saying you should)
[22:18] isaacs: CrabDude: also, because github only has post-back urls (i think), you have to actually run the npm github hook on your own server somewhere.
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[22:19] CrabDude: ahhh, yes, hmmmm
[22:20] CIA-65: libuv: 03Tom Hughes 07master * r76338f7 10/ src/ares/ares_parse_a_reply.c : ares_parse_a_reply: fix memleak - http://bit.ly/qm1HHF
[22:20] perezd: npm ERR! failed to fetch https://registry.npmjs.org/redis/-/redis-0.6.0.tgz
[22:20] perezd: registry feels really slow today
[22:21] perezd: sorry to be "that guy"
[22:21] CrabDude: isaacs kriszyp's http://github.com/kriszyp/cpr SEEMS to handle it automatically kriszyp ?
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[22:21] isaacs: perezd: seems to wokr for me
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[22:22] isaacs: perezd: maybe flush your dns?  we had some hicups this morning
[22:22] perezd: ah
[22:22] ale: Does anyone know any way to make a multi-room chat system just with node and socket.io? Without using things like juggernate, or now or express?
[22:22] fille: okej so is there a deamon app in node.js?
[22:22] fille: daemon
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[22:23] tjholowaychuk: ale the same way you do with those
[22:23] tjholowaychuk: but more work
[22:23] tjholowaychuk: :D
[22:23] cpetzold: tjholowaychuk: should there be an issue with nesting something like server.get(/\/[a-z]{5}\/?/, …) under a namespace? 
[22:23] tjholowaychuk: cpetzold yeah I dont currently have anything to concat regexps
[22:23] ale: tjholowaychuk: Can you show me an example? Because  I just see a common room
[22:23] CrabDude: ale: hook.io?
[22:23] isaacs: CrabDude: yeah, i am not attached to that project, have never seen its code, and really am not interested in doing things that way.
[22:24] ale: CrabDude: what is that?
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[22:25] CrabDude: isaacs: sure sure, I assume so, I was just mentioning it in that he seems to have auto github integration and we were talking about having to run hooks on your own server
[22:26] isaacs: CrabDude: well, yeah, but you still have to add the hook to your github repo to ping the cpr server somehow
[22:26] isaacs: CrabDude: the difference is that he's using a git-aware registry, whereas i'm using a couchdb.
[22:26] isaacs: i don't quite know why.  it's not like there's a lot of money in running a package registry.
[22:26] isaacs: (if there is, i haven't found it)
[22:27] oliland: you guys are awesome
[22:27] CrabDude: lol
[22:27] CrabDude: come talk to me sometime, i'll let you know how ;P
[22:28] oliland: anyone made a facebook app with their javascript sdk?
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[22:30] CrabDude: ale: well, it looks like the browser integration is very alpha and only 21hrs old…. so maybe not
[22:30] CrabDude: he showed it off last night, it was pretty sweet
[22:30] CrabDude: ale: https://github.com/hookio/hook.io
[22:30] perezd: hook.io is interesting, but I feel is too ambitious 
[22:33] CrabDude: perezd: yes, it feels ambitious, but all great things do ;)
[22:34] perezd: yeah, I guess so
[22:34] perezd: node really needs an answer to IPC 
[22:34] perezd: but I am not sure its that 
[22:35] fille: anyone have problem with installing the npm forever?
[22:35] perezd: go right ahead
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[22:38] tjholowaychuk: perezd why too ambitious? it's basically just an inter-process event emitter no?
[22:38] perezd: sorta, it has a lot of extras built into it
[22:38] perezd: its a great project, I feel its more than is needed in the wrong places
[22:38] chjj: so gyp is node's future
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[22:39] perezd: I'd like to see something more akin to the features of OTP, supervision trees, linked processes, monitoring, etc..
[22:39] bnoordhuis: chjj: probably yes
[22:39] perezd: can't say you are taking on erlang without features like that.
[22:39] bnoordhuis: perezd: we haven't reach 1.0 yet
[22:40] bnoordhuis: *reached
[22:40] perezd: bnoordhuis: I was referring to hook.io
[22:40] perezd: not nodejs
[22:40] bnoordhuis: right, carry on
[22:40] perezd: my personal opinion: nodejs will do well to add these features, as part of nodejs.
[22:40] tjholowaychuk: perezd maybe we should hack on something to play around with ideas
[22:40] perezd: tjholowaychuk: yeah, totally true...but I guess I want to see it be focused more in depth than breadth 
[22:41] perezd: 
ACTION armchair programming

[22:41] tjholowaychuk: only one way to see what works!
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[22:41] isaacs: perezd: yessir.
[22:41] isaacs: perezd: i would like to take over erlang's niche.
[22:42] perezd: erlang gets so many things right
[22:42] isaacs: i mean, not the academic functional programming with weird pattern-matching syntax niche.
[22:42] perezd: and a lot of things wrong
[22:42] chjj: i thought most people programmed in an armchair anyway
[22:42] isaacs: but the distributed fault-tolerant niche
[22:42] perezd: isaacs: yes
[22:42] tjholowaychuk: awesome pattern matching
[22:42] perezd: I think the concurrency model of erlang will always lean towards slightly more performant
[22:42] perezd: as long as node intends to rely on OS processes
[22:42] isaacs: tjholowaychuk: yeah, pattern-matching in js would be so fucking hawt.
[22:42] fille: no one have problem with npm install forever?
[22:43] fille: for debian
[22:43] isaacs: switch (obj) { case {foo: true, _}: ... }
[22:43] tjholowaychuk: isaacs sure would be !
[22:43] isaacs: 
ACTION swoon

[22:43] tjholowaychuk: perezd you could use isolates etc blah blah
[22:43] isaacs: fille: npm install forever works for me.  gist the npm-debug.log file if it fails.
[22:43] perezd: tjholowaychuk: yeah, I am excited to see what comes out of the next 6 mo of nodejs hacking
[22:44] fille: gist not founc isaacs
[22:44] isaacs: fille: i mean, go to http://gist.github.com/ and paste the npm-debug.log file in there.
[22:45] fille: aa greate
[22:45] isaacs: fille:  or use the gist command-line client, which you have to install first (and it's awesome, highly recommend)
[22:45] perezd: I personally like the constraints of erlang 
[22:45] perezd: its a very opinionated system
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[22:45] tjholowaychuk: perezd yeah it feels more like a dsl (which it kinda is I guess)
[22:45] perezd: yeah, true.
[22:46] perezd: the message/receive modeling is really slick
[22:46] chjj: node.erl
[22:47] perezd: chjj >
[22:47] perezd: ?
[22:47] chjj: nothing
[22:47] perezd: lol
[22:47] perezd: u had me excited 
[22:47] chjj: lol
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[22:47] chjj: ive never tried erlang
[22:48] perezd: its like prolog, for distributed computing
[22:48] perezd: thats the other thing that is totally amazing about erlang
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[22:48] perezd: that I want to see more focus on, when talking IPC for nodejs
[22:48] perezd: they totally abstract the networkign away 
[22:48] perezd: so IPC on the same VM/Box/Network/Data center is the same.
[22:48] chjj: yeah thats what i always hear is erlangs selling point
[22:49] perezd: chjj: check this out: this is my fave screenshot example of erlang http://i.imgur.com/K0brb.jpg
[22:49] perezd: those are two unrelated shells, communicating and sharing module communication 
[22:50] Eber: when I try to install something with NPM, it doesn't work but I don't get any error messages... this is the output I get, could someone help me? http://pastie.org/2327530
[22:50] perezd: zero code related to networking
[22:50] isaacs: Eber: that's it working
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[22:50] chjj: ah
[22:50] isaacs: Eber: you can do this if you like:  npm config set loglevel info
[22:50] isaacs: Eber: but you should now have ./node_modules/express
[22:50] isaacs: Eber: npm faq <-- very informative
[22:51] Eber: isaacs I was looking for it right now :) let me cheg!
[22:51] bnoordhuis: perezd: that is, admittedly, hawt
[22:51] Eber: check*
[22:51] perezd: chjj, yeah, its pretty impressive shit.
[22:51] perezd: they have about 30 years head start on the problem :)
[22:52] chjj: isaacs: is there anyway to just have an npm publish point to a git repo?
[22:52] chjj: so npm install x would just git clone behind the scenes
[22:53] chjj: been wondering about that for a while
[22:53] isaacs: chjj: no, not yet.  there's an open issue.  you can do this, though:  { "dependencies": { "foo" : "http://url.com/to/tarball.tgz" } }
[22:53] isaacs: chjj: so if the git repo is github, you can do http://github.com/usre/project/tarball/commitish
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[22:53] chjj: ah
[22:54] isaacs: chjj: going to add suppoirt for git urls, like git://blahblah/bloo.git#commitish
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[22:54] isaacs: chjj: or git+http://...
[22:54] chjj: yeah thatd be awesome
[22:54] chjj: i might look into that
[22:54] isaacs: chjj: won't be for a while, though
[22:54] Eber: isaacs: what does these characters "ââ⬠c" mean when I give a `npm ls`?
[22:54] isaacs: chjj: for now, just use the tarball url.
[22:54] isaacs: Eber: it means that you're not using a terminal font with unicode support
[22:54] chjj: i just want to simplify things for myself so i dont always have to keep track of how often im doing npm publishes
[22:55] isaacs: Eber: there's no way to swap out those chars for now, but if you wanna post an issue, that'd be cool
[22:55] Eber: isaacs: but do they have a meaning? or should something else display where it shows up?
[22:55] isaacs: Eber: they're supposed to be lines, like a tree
[22:56] isaacs: Eber: https://gist.github.com/1128724
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[22:56] Eber: isaacs: uhm, right! maybe the fact that I'm using putty is screwing things up...
[22:56] Eber: isaacs: one last question (I guess)... what does the flag "extraneous " means?
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[22:59] isaacs: Eber: https://github.com/isaacs/npm/issues/1235
[22:59] isaacs: Eber: means that the package isn't a dependency of anything
[22:59] CIA-65: node: 03Tom Hughes 07v0.4 * r311db68 10/ (3 files): (log message trimmed)
[22:59] CIA-65: node: cmake: Various fixes.
[22:59] CIA-65: node: * Allow overriding install path with CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX.
[22:59] CIA-65: node: * make sure js2min.py can be found when building out of source.
[22:59] CIA-65: node: * Replace empty macros with void(0).
[22:59] CIA-65: node:  Expressions like "debug(x) && foo()" fail if debug(x) is an empty macro.
[22:59] CIA-65: node: * Make sure node-natives.h creation is deterministic.
[23:00] Eber: isaacs: cool :) thanks!
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[23:03] isaacs: Eber: `npm prune` will remove all extraneous packages
[23:03] Eber: isaacs: right... I'm just getting started with node and np. Thanks for helping me.
[23:03] isaacs: Eber: np, welcome to the party :)
[23:03] Eber: Thanks! \o_
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[23:04] isaacs: Eber: btw, `npm install blah --save` will install it, and add to your package.json file
[23:04] sechrist: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/remote-controlled-truck-soldier-afghanistan-saves-soldiers-lives/story?id=14225434
[23:04] sechrist: so awesome
[23:04] isaacs: Eber: so it won't be extraneous
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[23:04] Eber: isaacs: when you say it will add to my package.json you mean if I'm building a distributable package?
[23:05] isaacs: Eber: you don't need to distribute it to use a package.json
[23:05] isaacs: Eber: it's also just convenient.
[23:05] isaacs: Eber: `npm init` will get you started.
[23:05] AvianFlu: it's a great way to not have to think about your dependencies long-term
[23:06] isaacs: then when someone else on your team (or, you, a few weeks later) check out the code, you can run `npm install` wiht no args to get all the deps
[23:06] Eber: ow, I get it... so I can define my dependencies on package.json file and npm init will get it for me once I need it?
[23:06] Eber: awesome!
[23:06] Eber: pretty cool indeed =D
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[23:06] isaacs: Eber: npm init creates the file.  npm install fetches the things
[23:07] Eber: got it :) I'll remember doing it as soon as I start something!
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[23:11] Eber: Reading express docs I found this line "NotFound.prototype.__proto__ = Error.prototype;" wouldn't it be possible to do just "NotFound.prototype = Error.prototype;" ?
[23:12] tjholowaychuk: Eber yeah, same concept
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[23:12] tjholowaychuk: .prototype = new Error
[23:12] tjholowaychuk: but you turf the .constructor
[23:12] TheEmpath: how about a sql module that allows just raw calls to sql?
[23:13] Eber: tjholowaychuk: uhm, I think I get it :P But I'm not sure what __proto__ is...
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[23:14] Eber: tjholowaychuk: BTW, I think I bought your book... Maybe I should read it again! (And pay atention this time...)
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[23:15] tjholowaychuk: Eber haha cool ! I dont know if I even talked about __proto__ that was a good 2 years or so ago
[23:16] Eber: tjholowaychuk: Yeah, that is what I was thinking about... Do you still believe creating javascript classes?
[23:16] tjholowaychuk: Eber not really
[23:16] tjholowaychuk: my main issue with it is that they become ad-hoc things per project
[23:16] tjholowaychuk: that no noe else uses etc
[23:16] tjholowaychuk: one*
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[23:16] MaSch: isaacs: node doesn't find the librarys i installed with npm. do i have to change a include path or something like that?
[23:17] Eber: tjholowaychuk: I see... There is a recipe for classes on your book I guess, so maybe it's a little outdated :P
[23:17] tjholowaychuk: Eber haha yeah. it's still useful to know the inner workings etc
[23:17] isaacs: MaSch: npm help folders
[23:17] isaacs: MaSch: use npm 0.4 or higher.  install locally.  require() works then.
[23:17] Eber: tjholowaychuk: surely :) I'll read it better soon! My hardcore JS is totally rusted!
[23:19] MaSch: isaacs: okay, i see. so i have to install every library for every project? :-/ i think i preferred the old system. but thanks!
[23:20] mape: MaSch: just do npm install in the project dir
[23:20] mape: if you have a proper package.json it will work fine
[23:20] isaacs: MaSch: npm help link <-- very useful
[23:20] isaacs: MaSch: or `npm install --link`
[23:21] mape: MaSch: I felt like you at first, but as modules update and APIs break, the new way is far better. Especially if you have more then a couple projects
[23:21] MaSch: mape: yes, i think you are right
[23:22] isaacs: MaSch: i use link very very heavily for the things that i personally build.
[23:22] isaacs: MaSch: but other stuff, i usually don't want updating unless i explicitly do so for this specific project.
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[23:24] isaacs: Eber: so, once that release hits, you can do this:  npm config set unicode false
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[23:26] TheEmpath: classes in javascript are stupid useful
[23:26] TheEmpath: they are also stupid scattered
[23:26] TheEmpath: theres like 6 ways to do them
[23:26] isaacs: chjj: btw, here's this thing: https://github.com/isaacs/npm/issues/1225
[23:27] isaacs: TheEmpath: just use the constructor/protytpe pattern with "new"
[23:27] TheEmpath: thats what i do
[23:27] isaacs: TheEmpath: most of the ways to do them are slow and/or complicated
[23:27] TheEmpath: i emulate EaselJS's usage of classes
[23:27] isaacs: this may interest you: https://github.com/isaacs/inherits
[23:27] konobi: TheEmpath: http://ejohn.org/apps/learn/
[23:28] tar_: :-O
[23:28] isaacs: TheEmpath: inheritance should be doable in 10 lines or fewer.
[23:28] TheEmpath: function a() {...} function b() { ...} a.prototype = new b();  
[23:28] _sorensen_: isaacs: nice
[23:28] TheEmpath: problem is you get double constructors :(
[23:29] isaacs: TheEmpath: not with inherits, you don't
[23:29] isaacs: TheEmpath: you have to do Blah.call(this)
[23:29] TheEmpath: i believe there was s hortcoming with inherits....
[23:29] isaacs: Parent.call(this)
[23:29] _sorensen_: ima feel bad requiring that :P
[23:29] isaacs: it's too short so there's nothing to whine and bikeshed about?
[23:29] isaacs: i mean, that's kind of a shortcoming
[23:29] isaacs: that IS the main use case for OOP pattern libs, after all.
[23:30] TheEmpath: i remember seeing this super detailed breakdown of the various ways to do classes... can't find it now
[23:30] tjholowaychuk: it would be nicer if we did it like lua
[23:30] tjholowaychuk: without the hybrid classical/proto thinger
[23:31] isaacs: TheEmpath: Child.prototype = new Parent <-- that is broken
[23:31] isaacs: you need to use Object.create
[23:31] isaacs: and inherits makes it so that the order doesn't matter.  whatever you add on the Child.prototype will be preserved.
[23:32] _sorensen_: inherits has to be the smallest lib i've seen
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[23:34] isaacs: the util.inherits in node-core is almost the same exact function
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[23:35] isaacs: even shorter, actually, but doesn't preserve existing stuff
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[23:39] industrial: isaacs: just out of curiousity; why do you only have one semicolon and why is it on the next line o_O
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[23:39] isaacs: https://github.com/isaacs/npm/blob/master/doc/coding-style.md
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[23:40] isaacs: industrial: see also: http://blog.izs.me/post/2353458699/an-open-letter-to-javascript-leaders-regarding
[23:41] isaacs: industrial: in case you decide to adopt such a style, beware of talking about it: http://blog.izs.me/post/3393190720/how-this-works
[23:41] isaacs: people are religious
[23:42] industrial: "In front of a leading ( or [ at the start of the line. This prevents the expression from being interpreted as a function call or property access, respectively." <-- that wouldn't happen with semicolons though, imho.
[23:43] tbranyen: tjholowaychuk: woah node cuda, been wanting to mess with mozilla jetpack cuda for ages, but this is cooler :D
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[23:44] tjholowaychuk: tbranyen cuda redis! haha
[23:44] tjholowaychuk: jk
[23:44] tbranyen: :D
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[23:58] gen: hey fellas
[23:58] gen: I just got around to node.js
[23:59] isaacs: industrial: yeah, if you put a semi at the end of *every single line* then it could never happen.  but it's easy to miss one.
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[23:59] gen: I'm wondering in a scenario where one callback is doing a long task, what happens to other callbacks that get called during that time? do they get called or what?