[00:00] isaacs: !git context joyent/node lib/events.js 100
[00:00] jhbot: 099 EventEmitter.prototype.addListener = function(type, listener) {
[00:00] jhbot: 100   if ('function' !== typeof listener) {
[00:00] Astro: gmt is utc, right?
[00:00] jhbot: 101     throw new Error('addListener only takes instances of Function');
[00:00] aaroninfidel: isaacs: https://gist.github.com/1100717
[00:00] isaacs: Astro: effectively, yes, they are the same.
[00:01] Astro: "Registration is full" ;(
[00:01] isaacs: Astro: except that GMT is a timezone, whereas UTC is a "universal time code", which happens to be in GMT+0
[00:01] isaacs: aaroninfidel: curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sudo sh
[00:01] TheJH: aaroninfidel, try "curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sudo sh"
[00:01] isaacs: aaroninfidel: or, download and run as root
[00:03] isaacs: that's dumb that it says "It worked" when it clearly didn't worik
[00:03] Astro: there it is
[00:03] Astro: "Register a Team"
[00:03] isaacs: i should fix that
[00:04] aaroninfidel: isaacs: ok, that worked.
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[00:04] aaroninfidel: now what?
[00:05] Astro: somebody should automate team registration and sell the entries on ebay ;)
[00:05] TheJH: aaroninfidel, re-run "npm install express" in the folder with your script
[00:06] aaroninfidel: TheJH: woo! it works.
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[00:12] Nuck: 
ACTION is super-happy

[00:12] Nuck: deviantART is destroying themselves FOR ME.
[00:13] blkcat: eh wot?
[00:13] Hurreman1: mscdex: You awake?
[00:13] Nuck: I won't even hafta compete at this rate, my site will just instantly steal all the folks who realized the retardation too late.
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[00:15] shanebo: kasper node-dev is just what i was looking for, thanks!
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[00:20] Murvin: anyone knows in Mongoosejs, other than String, Number and Date, is there a Bool data type?
[00:20] TooTallNate: Murvin: Should be 'Boolean'
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[00:20] Nuck: 
ACTION spontaneously restructures his Fakooda API code

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[00:21] Murvin: TooTallNate: ok.. kinda hard to read their documentation..
[00:21] TooTallNate: Murvin: it's a regular JavaScript data type
[00:21] aaroninfidel: anyone know how to get express to run scss rather then sass?
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[00:21] Nuck: As it stands, Fakooda's API code has the database connection shit lodged in with the API itself
[00:22] Murvin: ok.  
[00:22] Nuck: And I think I'm gonna change that :D
[00:22] Murvin: got it.
[00:22] Murvin: :)
[00:22] Nuck: 
ACTION loves when he picks up a new structuring trick in JS

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[00:27] Nuck: `if (err) return toErrIsHuman(err, req, res);` is probably one of the best tricks I've figured out for Node.
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[00:31] xerox: is there a tutorial for putting a node.js project on github and avoid to put things like dependencies on,?
[00:32] TheJH: xerox, do you know ".gitignore"?
[00:33] TheJH: xerox, you can put a ".gitignore" file in your project folder. everything you mention there won't be included in your repo. so just put "node_modules" in it
[00:33] xerox: and then when one pulls it
[00:33] xerox: what does he do to create node_modules out of package.json?
[00:33] TheJH: xerox, here's more about gitignore: http://help.github.com/ignore-files/
[00:34] TheJH: xerox, he just does "npm install" and npm does magic
[00:34] igl: npm install -d
[00:34] xerox: excellent
[00:34] TheJH: xerox, npm will then read the package.json and install all dependencies mentioned in there
[00:34] TheJH: igl, I don't think that you need "-d"
[00:34] xerox: should I create the .gitignore before doing anything git-related
[00:34] xerox: now I just have a folder
[00:35] TheJH: xerox, it's probably a good idea
[00:35] xerox: perfect
[00:35] TooTallNate: isaacs: does `npm install -d` install the devDependencies or is it verbose output?
[00:35] TheJH: xerox, also see the github help page I linked to for global gitignore
[00:35] xerox: thanks : )
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[00:41] dscape: guys any recomendation on libraries to parse dates?
[00:41] dscape: anyone ported datejs to npm?
[00:42] TooTallNate: dscape: ∞ ~ (master) $ npm search datejs
[00:42] TooTallNate: datejs  datejs, wrapped up as an npm package  =chrisdew
[00:42] TooTallNate: so yes
[00:42] dscape: awesome
[00:42] dscape: thanks TooTallNate 
[00:42] TooTallNate: no prob
[00:42] dscape: google search failed :P
[00:43] TheJH: dscape, use http://search.npmjs.org for npm
[00:43] TooTallNate: try search.npmjs.org next time, or just `npm search` from the cli
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[00:44] dscape: danka TheJH 
[00:47] mscdex: Hurreman: yep
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[00:48] Hurreman: mscdex: remember that node-mysql issue I was talking about yesterday? I've done some more investigating today and found pattern
[00:51] Hurreman: I first thought that the query results looked random, but after a closer look - they seem to be coming in 8-10 second intervals
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[00:59] opsdfposdfosdf: hi! https.request only works with some websites (bug!?) :(   This example gives me unknown errors http://pastebin.com/46w1nWHN
[01:00] xerox: how do you use npm to add the dependencies to package.json ?
[01:00] xerox: (of a project of yours)
[01:00] TooTallNate: xerox: npm install --save
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[01:01] opsdfposdfosdf: edit: only affects windows builds
[01:01] xerox: TooTallNate: hmm that doesn't do it (also npm help install does not bring up anything with 'save'?)
[01:02] TooTallNate: hhmhmm, I thought that was it, i'm pretty sure it's something undocumented/new
[01:03] xerox: TooTallNate: I just did npm init, and then created my files and npm install the various deps
[01:03] beriberikix: I'm almost out of Cygwin hell! http://twitpic.com/5u9eap
[01:03] xerox: ah I see TooTallNate thanks
[01:03] TooTallNate: xerox: https://github.com/isaacs/npm/issues/1054
[01:03] xerox: you mean install the deps with the --save
[01:03] xerox: so they get added
[01:04] xerox: excellent : )
[01:04] TooTallNate: supposedly it's in there
[01:04] xerox: and it works
[01:04] xerox: what does one usually put in for engine? >=0.4.10 ?
[01:05] TooTallNate: xerox: haha it wasn't working for me, but then I realized I was on 1.0.13, updating to 1.0.18 made it start working
[01:05] xerox: woo
[01:06] TooTallNate: xerox: for engine I would put:   "engines": { "node": "0.4.x || 0.5.x" }
[01:06] TooTallNate: maybe not 0.5.x
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[01:06] TooTallNate: but that's up to you
[01:06] xerox: all the packages I saw do support very "old" versions of node
[01:07] xerox: I'll keep >=0.4.10 so I know it works : )
[01:07] TooTallNate: but do *you* support old versions of node, for your module. that's the question
[01:07] Murvin: Friday!!!! finally..
[01:07] TooTallNate: don't say it's supported unless you're sure it is
[01:07] TooTallNate: :p
[01:07] xerox: yeah I don't
[01:07] xerox: so my choice makes sense doesn't it
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[01:08] TooTallNate: no, >= 0.4.10 means ANY version of node before or equal to 0.4.10
[01:08] TooTallNate: so even 0.0.1 of node
[01:08] TooTallNate: which the module probably won't work on :p
[01:08] TooTallNate: 0.4.x means any version of node in the 0.4 releases, so the API should be close to stable
[01:09] TooTallNate: oh, wait, other way around
[01:09] xerox: before?
[01:09] TooTallNate: so the module is saying that it works on node 0.5... and 0.6... and 0.7....
[01:09] xerox: >= should be after
[01:10] TooTallNate: right, i was backwards for a sec
[01:10] xerox: I see what you mean tho
[01:10] xerox: OK
[01:10] xerox: what is the tilde?
[01:10] TooTallNate: where?
[01:10] xerox: ~0.2.1
[01:10] xerox: it appears in all the dependencies saved with --save
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[01:11] TooTallNate: ~1.2.3 := >=1.2.3 <1.3.0
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[01:11] xerox: cool I'll do that for the engine as well
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[01:12] TooTallNate: that should work (might be a little *too* strict though)
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[01:39] chjj: hmm, writing a markdown parser was harder than i thought it would be
[01:39] chjj: getting the lists right was annoying
[01:40] tbranyen: chjj: yeah i'd imagine
[01:40] tbranyen: what flavor of markdown are you using as your baseline?
[01:40] tbranyen: github i'd hope
[01:43] xerox: the ones already in npm are not good enough?
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[01:44] chjj: tbranyen: yeah ill be including GFM stuff
[01:45] tbranyen: xerox: people say the same thing about template engines, and yet none work the way i want so i wrote my own
[01:45] tbranyen: big deal
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[01:45] chjj: xerox: theres basically 3 that im aware of, showdown - unmaintained, messy, discount - nice, but you need a binding and have to compile it, and then markdown-js - i havent used it, all i know is my parser and lexer are about 1000 lines less right now
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[01:46] xerox: tbranyen: no sure I mean, if they do lack functionality I will know and when I need one I will know where to look for it
[01:46] chjj: and i really want to optimize the hell out of it
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[01:47] chjj: so you can easily compile a *huge* chunk of markdown without blocking for a small amount of time
[01:47] xerox: there seem also to be node-markdown and robotskirt (which also needs a c lib)
[01:48] TheJH: !npm search markdown
[01:48] xerox: what will yours be called?
[01:48] jhbot: packages: discount, doc.md, dox, escrito, github-flavored-markdown, m2pdb, markdoc, markdown, markdown-js, markdown-wiki, markdown2html, nmd, node-markdown, pagen, reed, robotskirt, ronn
[01:48] chjj: all the cool names are taken =/
[01:49] chjj: gfm is just showdown, discount is a binding to discount, pretty sure "markdown" is just showdown again
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[01:50] chjj: dont know about the others
[01:50] xerox: if it's fast you could {ap,pre}pend 'fast' to it : )
[01:50] chjj: well, ill have to see if it ends up being fast
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[01:50] TheJH: fastdown :)
[01:50] chjj: im afraid to benchmark it
[01:50] chjj: havent optimized yet
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[01:51] TheJH: fastdown as in elevator >:D
[01:51] chjj: still need to implement all the other little MD features, like the "footnote" links
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[01:51] xerox: have fun
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[01:52] tbranyen: xerox: i'm a contributor to roboskirt
[01:52] xerox: !
[01:52] tbranyen: chjj: pure js solutions are neat, but compiling a binding usually isn't too much of a problem
[01:53] chjj: tbranyen: yeah i know, i was really tempted to use discount
[01:53] chjj: looks very well made
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[01:53] chjj: i just felt the need to write something i guess
[01:53] Nuck: a pure JS markdown parser seems like a simple enough task
[01:54] chjj: definitely simpler than writing one in C ;)
[01:54] Nuck: Though it was built to be easy to use, not to parse
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[01:55] tbranyen: chjj: isn't discount ruby?
[01:55] tbranyen: looking it up
[01:55] chjj: its written in C
[01:55] chjj: theres bindings for a lot of languages i believe
[01:55] chjj: including node
[01:55] tbranyen: ah okay
[01:55] chjj: tj wrote one for node
[01:55] Nuck: tj wrote everything useful :P
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[01:55] chjj: hehe
[01:56] chjj: https://github.com/Orc/discount
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[02:01] shanebo: what is the recommended server for serving static files?
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[02:01] TheJH: shanebo, I'm using lightnode, and it works
[02:02] TheJH: !npm search static file
[02:02] jhbot: packages: http-proxy-selective, lightnode, local-cdn, node-static, node-static-maccman, paperboy, serve, simple-server, sleight, stack.static, StaticServer
[02:02] tjholowaychuk: ^ and connect's static()
[02:02] tjholowaychuk: doesn't show up in there
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[02:04] imanc: hey anyone about ?
[02:04] shanebo: i've been trying to get node-static working and not sure what the problem is
[02:04] imanc: I'm buildling a long polling live help app using python's flask + gevent and I'm wondering if I can use socket.io on the client side?
[02:05] tjholowaychuk: shanebo try connect.static, one line to get it going: connect(connect.static('public')).listen(3000)
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[02:05] tjholowaychuk: cloudhead's example doesn't even make sense haha, on the "end" of a GET serve the file
[02:05] tjholowaychuk: wtf
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[02:10] shanebo: tjholowaychuk is connect.static the favored static server?
[02:10] Nuck: Fuck, I just use nginx
[02:11] ncb000gt: shanebo: he's biased
[02:11] ncb000gt: ...
[02:11] ncb000gt: :)
[02:11] tjholowaychuk: shanebo i dont think there's any way to tell that really
[02:11] tjholowaychuk: since it's part of the package
[02:11] Nuck: But Connect IS awesome.
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[02:11] tjholowaychuk: so I can't say how many people use it, but nearly everyone using connect or express uses it IF they serve files
[02:11] tjholowaychuk: frankly they are all nearly identical
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[02:12] tjholowaychuk: and the reality is
[02:12] tjholowaychuk: node isn't that fast at serving files
[02:12] tjholowaychuk: so if that is your concern use nginx or varnish etc
[02:12] Nuck: tjholowaychuk: Hence why I use gninx X3
[02:12] tbranyen: tjholowaychuk: have you seen that in production?
[02:12] shanebo: does nginx bottle neck compared to using node as the static server?
[02:12] tjholowaychuk: tbranyen seen what?
[02:12] tbranyen: tjholowaychuk: node being noticably slow at serving static files
[02:12] tjholowaychuk: we serve our assets with a CDN
[02:12] tbranyen: ah
[02:12] Nuck: shanebo:L Nginx is evented.
[02:13] Nuck: IIRC
[02:13] Nuck: I know Nginx does not bottleneck like Apache
[02:13] Aria: Yes, it is. 
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[02:15] shanebo: so I guess nginx it is :D
[02:16] TheJH: use gatling :)
[02:16] imanc: I'm not seeing any packages on this page - http://npm.mape.me/  is that normal?
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[02:17] TheJH: shanebo, you can use http://www.fefe.de/gatling/ if you want performance
[02:17] shanebo: don't we all want performance?
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[02:18] TheJH: shanebo, it's written by a performance-addicted bloatware-hater and owner of an IT security company
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[02:18] shanebo: awesome
[02:18] shanebo: that was my hesitation with connect
[02:19] shanebo: too much there for me to get my head around
[02:19] tjholowaychuk: shanebo why?
[02:19] shanebo: i'm sure it's all great and needed at some point, but I'd rather start extremely thin
[02:19] tjholowaychuk: the usage is less lines than the others
[02:19] tjholowaychuk: one line
[02:19] tjholowaychuk: is pretty easy :p
[02:19] tjholowaychuk: fs.createReadStream(path).pipe(res)
[02:19] tjholowaychuk: if you want thin
[02:20] shanebo: tjholowaychuk I'm talking about what's behind that line :P
[02:20] tjholowaychuk: ~40 lines of code?
[02:20] tjholowaychuk: for the dispatcher
[02:20] tjholowaychuk: it's really basic stuff
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[02:22] shanebo: I've got to design/build/deploy an app in about 2-3 weeks and tonight is the first time I've seriously played with node. So I better go with something like nginx…
[02:23] shanebo: but it does seem cleaner to use something in node. dang.
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[02:24] tjholowaychuk: well i mean if you dont even have an app yet just use node
[02:24] tjholowaychuk: you dont even know that you have a bottleneck yet :p
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[02:26] shanebo: +1 tjholowaychuk :) So is this what I'm looking for? http://senchalabs.github.com/connect/http.html
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[02:26] tjholowaychuk: yup
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[02:32] shanebo: tjholowaychuk, bing. it worked just like you said :)
[02:35] darshanshankar: anyone at the Mozilla WSOH?
[02:36] pNstK: it's possible to make a video streaming for HTML 5 video with node? someone is already working with that?
[02:37] Nuck: pNstK: Of course it's possible.  Dunno if anyone has tried though.
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[02:37] pNstK: Nuck: hmm, i'll try it later ;x
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[02:38] Nuck: pNstK: Try search.npmjs.org
[02:38] pNstK: i've already search there
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[02:39] mscdex: shouldn't be very difficult, all you're doing a streaming a video file/feed
[02:39] mscdex: and i know there are ffmpeg modules out there for node
[02:40] freewil: do you even need ffmpeg
[02:40] freewil: dont you just need to read the file and stream th bits?
[02:41] Nuck: It's not ffmpeg
[02:41] mscdex: freewil: it depends on the situation, i was just throwing that out there though
[02:41] Nuck: For HTML5 video
[02:41] Nuck: I suggest using the WebM format
[02:42] pNstK: hmm
[02:42] Nuck: That's based on Mastroska files IIRC
[02:42] Nuck: God my API code is shit
[02:42] mscdex: if you have video that isn't encoded with whatever browser you want to be compatible with, then you can transcode it through ffmpeg and stream that through node
[02:42] mscdex: er encoded with a codec supported by whatever browser
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[02:43] Nuck: I need to reorganize my DB layer to be separate from the API
[02:43] Nuck: otherwise shit's gonna get ugly
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[02:44] Nuck: Ugh
[02:44] Nuck: Gotta figure out what shit will be on the signup form before I can design this :S
[02:44] Nuck: Uuuuunlessss... /me has an idea
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[02:45] jordo: Hey SubStack
[02:46] jordo: I'm curious if you ever figured out what the problem was with the update as traversing bug in burrito
[02:46] Nuck: eww bug in a burrito?
[02:47] Nuck: What is this, some sort of... MEXICAN FOOD?
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[02:58] mnaser: what do you guys think of making an apache drop-in replacement in node.js?!
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[02:58] jesusabdullah: What do you mean by that?
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[02:59] jesusabdullah: If you mean a 1:1 reimplementation of apache, that sounds like a terrible idea
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[02:59] jesusabdullah: tbhirlimo
[02:59] mnaser: like, code an application that can parse the httpd.conf and host virtual hosts like it does
[02:59] mnaser: why does it sound like a terrible idea?
[02:59] jesusabdullah: because apache is huge, and optimized for what it does
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[03:00] jesusabdullah: Being to parse an httpd.conf and do some intelligent things with it might not be a terrible idea
[03:00] SubStack: mnaser: https://github.com/nodejitsu/node-http-proxy
[03:00] jesusabdullah: but if you did the whole shebang, what's the point? You might as well use apache
[03:00] jesusabdullah: since it's moar fasters anyway
[03:00] mnaser: because apache is really heavy on ram, we do virtual hosting (and all the shebang if you might say) and it has a huge memory footprint
[03:01] jesusabdullah: So you think node wouldn't?
[03:01] jesusabdullah: with all the same functionalit?
[03:01] jesusabdullah: functionality*
[03:01] jesusabdullah: What might be a good idea is taking an httpd.conf and mashing it together with node-http-proxy or some particular thing, in order to make migration easier
[03:01] mnaser: well that's the thing
[03:02] SubStack: just write a script that converts httpd.confs to json and another script that reads those jsons to fire up servers with node-http-proxy
[03:02] mnaser: i don't need a trillion features
[03:02] SubStack: gogogo
[03:02] mnaser: there's a huge overhead of running apache that just don't need/use
[03:02] jesusabdullah: In that case, you don't want to reimplement apache, you just want to be able to parse httpd.confs for the purposes of running an alternate solution
[03:02] jesusabdullah: and that's probably not a bad idea
[03:02] mnaser: yeah, that's what i want to do
[03:02] jesusabdullah: SubStack's suggestion is probably a good one---look into something that converts httpd.confs into, say, configs for haibu
[03:03] jesusabdullah: which are probably in json
[03:03] mnaser: the management software does virtual host management so it can be drop in, just reads the config file like apache does and runs an http server
[03:03] mnaser: then again there's somethings I'm not sure.. like we use suphp, so how that would work out
[03:03] mnaser: but i can see the potential for a lightweight server
[03:03] jesusabdullah: Why not try lighttpd or nginx?
[03:04] jesusabdullah: I mean, if a more traditional server but moar fasters and less bloated, is what you want
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[03:04] mnaser: hmm, one of the things that bothered me was .htaccess files with nginx
[03:04] mnaser: it wouldn't be that hard to reimplement .htaccess parsing with our basic functionality
[03:04] jesusabdullah: What about lighttpd?
[03:04] mnaser: versus making a whole module of nginx/etc
[03:04] mnaser: lighttpd doesn't support .htaccess me thinks?
[03:05] jesusabdullah: What's .htaccess, and why can't you use another solution to do the same?
[03:05] jesusabdullah: I'm not trying to grill you by the way
[03:05] mnaser: no problem, i understand
[03:05] jesusabdullah: I feel like it sounds that way
[03:05] mnaser: we do shared hosting -- people are standardized and are just used to using .htaccess files to make modfications
[03:05] mnaser: like for example, mod_rewrite
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[03:05] jesusabdullah: Well
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[03:06] mnaser: which is like the rewrites in nginx, they can write it up in a .htaccess file and it's done .. being a very large company, we minimize support by making it compatible
[03:06] pHcF: hi, i have a telnet socket
[03:06] mnaser: if we have a huge infrastructure change, everyone and their uncle can't setup pretty urls in apache, and then we ht the pooper
[03:06] jesusabdullah: but what's a .htaccess file?
[03:06] pHcF: when the client sends Control + C, i can't write to the socket anymore. why is that?
[03:07] mnaser: jesusabdullah: think of it as an extension of the apache configuration that virtual host users can make
[03:07] Aria: It is. 
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[03:07] mnaser: for example, i want to make some rewrites, i don't have access to the httpd.conf because i'm just a virtual user
[03:07] jesusabdullah: That sounds like expected behavior to me, pHcF. I haven't really played with telnet, but that's a "stop doing things" command on the shell
[03:07] Aria: Limited in the directives it'll accept -- only those that make sense post path-translation -- but a piece of Apache config.
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[03:07] mnaser: i stick those changes in my .htaccess file and i can override the default behaviour without having to change the main config
[03:07] pHcF: hmm.. ok
[03:08] Aria: pHcF: the question is, what's the user really sending? Is it an ascii \003? That's what control-C is in raw mode.
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[03:08] jesusabdullah: Well, mnaser
[03:08] Aria: But lots of client software cooks that in various ways.
[03:08] pHcF: Aria: nope, it's not
[03:08] Aria: Hm. What's the client?
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[03:09] bentkus: what web framework can you guys recommend?
[03:09] jesusabdullah: idk mnaser, I see why you want to replace apache and yet still support these things, but it just sounds like a *lot* of work for not a lot of gain
[03:09] pHcF: Aria: mac 
[03:09] pHcF: Aria: i mean, mac's terminal telnet client
[03:10] Aria: Ah, okay, so classic unix telnet.
[03:10] mnaser: jesusabdullah: we do tons of in-house dev, i was just thinking of input on how it could work
[03:10] pHcF: 'i'm trying to socket.setEncoding('ascii'); but what's being sent doesn't change
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[03:10] mnaser: and we do tons of virtual hosting, aka, we can do 800 accounts a server right now
[03:10] Aria: socket.setEncoding won't affect what the client sends at all.
[03:10] mnaser: and they're very stable, but i know the servers got more potential
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[03:10] pHcF: Aria: yep.. that makes sense
[03:10] SubStack: mnaser: is it just static content?
[03:10] Aria: bentkus: depends on what I'm doing, but express is awesome.
[03:11] SubStack: or is there icky phps and cgi scriptery
[03:11] jesusabdullah: bentkus: For framework-frameworks you might like express, or connect. Also check out dnode and browserify, though, and some of nodejitsu's libraries, if you're into anti-framework stuff
[03:11] mnaser: nope, static and php, but we use suphp so it wouldn't be hard to implement that
[03:11] mnaser: cgi as well is just an executable
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[03:11] Aria: pHcF: So why you can't write after a control-C is surprising.  telnet goes to raw mode very quickly after connecting (it handles control-c locally until then though)
[03:11] Aria: So it /should/ send \003
[03:11] jesusabdullah: bentkus: In fact, you can use most of these things together.
[03:11] SubStack: mnaser: there's already a cgi module on npm you could use
[03:11] SubStack: cgi             A stack/connect layer to invoke and serve CGI executables.    =TooTallNate       
[03:12] pHcF: Aria: weird.. in server I get characters like ����
[03:12] mnaser: i think suphp uses cgi-like behaviour
[03:12] mnaser: so there's a base there
[03:12] SubStack: could work then
[03:12] Aria: That makes sense. That's a unicode replacement for something unprintable. Control-C is definitely unprintable.
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[03:12] pHcF: yep
[03:12] mnaser: its a really interesting idea.. im really tempted to give it a shot
[03:12] jesusabdullah: That could actually be really cool mnaser, if you got something together that was really lightweight, could read apache config formats and gave you some cgi's
[03:13] jesusabdullah: If you do it, please2b eventually open source? :D
[03:13] jesusabdullah: Open sourcing things is pretty awesome!
[03:13] mnaser: i agree
[03:13] mnaser: i'm all with you
[03:13] mnaser: i
[03:13] jesusabdullah: \o/
[03:13] Aria: I'd be happy to help with a parser for htaccess files.
[03:13] pHcF: Aria: i need to stop a command started in telnet using the Control + C (like in a shell)
[03:13] SubStack: mnaser: call it geronimo
[03:13] mnaser: haha interseting name, why?
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[03:13] jesusabdullah: apache --> geronimo
[03:13] Aria: pHcF: "stop" in what sense? Shut down the socket, end the telnet session? Or stop doing something on the server in response to receiving that?
[03:13] mnaser: ahaha
[03:13] mnaser: omg
[03:13] mnaser: that is such a win name
[03:13] Aria: geronimo's taken.
[03:14] jesusabdullah: WHAT
[03:14] Aria: http://geronimo.apache.org/
[03:14] mnaser: j2ee project
[03:14] mnaser: aw MAN
[03:14] jesusabdullah: oh.
[03:14] mnaser: that was gold
[03:14] Aria: Hehe.
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[03:14] jesusabdullah: i'm sure you can come up with some other cowboys/indians type names
[03:14] isaacs: if you're not on npm 1.0.18, you should be.  search is SOO FAST now
[03:15] mnaser: you know what guys
[03:15] tbranyen: npm has a search?
[03:15] mnaser: i'll get the ball rolling on this
[03:15] mnaser: i really think it'll be good.. even if i don't have all the node.js talent right now
[03:15] mnaser: i do tons of ruby/python/etc .. just started node.js but i always coded javascript.. but just working with the language is the hard part, js server side sounds aah
[03:15] SubStack: isaacs: HOW FAST IS IT?
[03:16] jesusabdullah: You'll get the hang of it mnaser if you can handle all those things
[03:16] jesusabdullah: as long as you get callbacks, and do your homework
[03:16] isaacs: SubStack: it's SO FAST, it's already done!
[03:16] mnaser: i'm doing callbacks now, my biggest issue is code style
[03:16] jesusabdullah: js is actually REALLY AWESOME on the backend imo
[03:16] mnaser: i think my code looks gross now.
[03:16] jesusabdullah: Yeah, you'll get it
[03:16] SubStack: WOW THAT IS FAST I AM GOING TO npm install npm RIGHT NOW
[03:16] pHcF: Aria: stop doing something in the server
[03:16] isaacs: haha
[03:16] isaacs: SubStack: throw a -g on that noise
[03:17] SubStack: yes sir
[03:17] jesusabdullah: Holy shit that's really fast
[03:17] jesusabdullah: It finished BEFORE the npm colorsplash actually hit the screen
[03:17] mnaser: but yeah, i'm doing a node.js application that is using xmlrpc to make a lightweight remote apii
[03:17] Aria: Wow, that's awesome, isaacs.
[03:17] Aria: Fun, mnaser! A good place to start, even if XML is gross, dude.
[03:17] jesusabdullah: mnaser: if it's between node instances check out dnode
[03:17] jesusabdullah: also, json 4 lyfe
[03:17] SubStack: isaacs: ruh roh https://gist.github.com/1100928
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[03:18] tbranyen: xmlrpc... whyyyy
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[03:18] mnaser: right now it's between a rails app and node.js -- but that's just because we wanna use the existing infrastructure
[03:18] jesusabdullah: SubStack: did you throw down some sudo?
[03:18] aaroninfidel: using express how can I pull json from twitter or some other resource and use it locally?
[03:18] Aria: You might try something json-based if you're not tied to XML
[03:18] Aria: It's so much easier to work with
[03:18] tbranyen: well especially in JS
[03:18] SubStack: jesusabdullah: pfft that's not how I roll
[03:18] jesusabdullah: i don't think your twittering is going to really be tied to express, aaroninfidel 
[03:18] TheJH: isaacs, why is it faster now? are you using the local cache instead of the db?
[03:18] jesusabdullah: SubStack: gurl
[03:19] mnaser: but part of the rails app will be taken out to move onto a node.js app
[03:19] jesusabdullah: SubStack: if you want -g you gotsta be a supauser
[03:19] qbert_: wow busy in here at night
[03:19] tbranyen: i'm about to pass out
[03:19] tbranyen: from heat exhaustion
[03:19] jesusabdullah: aaroninfidel: hold on
[03:19] SubStack: jesusabdullah: nope, I'm sneaky like that
[03:19] SubStack: what with my ~/prefix
[03:19] Aria: Heh, me too, tbranyen.
[03:19] SubStack: likewise >_<
[03:19] TheJH: I'm having issues with mikeals request, my callback gets (null, null, data buffer), that's bad, right?
[03:19] qbert_: where are yall thats its so hot :S
[03:19] SubStack: it is so tea time
[03:19] jesusabdullah: hah
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[03:20] jesusabdullah: Your FACE is tea time
[03:20] tbranyen: bawstawn
[03:20] jesusabdullah: Actually
[03:20] aaroninfidel: jesusabdullah: well, I don't know how to do something like that, in ruby I would just use open-uri and do open(url).read
[03:20] jesusabdullah: I'll have some too, that sounds like a capital idea
[03:20] mnaser: oh wow
[03:20] mnaser: s
[03:20] SubStack: FANCY THAT, TIME FOR TEA
[03:20] Aria: qbert_: Boston here. 102 and huuuumid.
[03:20] jesusabdullah: Oh, aaroninfidel, a module you should look into
[03:20] jesusabdullah: ntwitter
[03:20] pHcF: Aria: any idea?
[03:20] mnaser: SubStack: i just found dnode-ruby in your github
[03:20] mnaser: that might just make me get RPC out
[03:20] mnaser: :p
[03:20] aaroninfidel: jesusabdullah: I'm not interested in twitter, I was just using that as an example because they have a good API that uses JSON.
[03:21] SubStack: mnaser: that module could use some lovin' but it works at least
[03:21] jesusabdullah: aaroninfidel: Oh.
[03:21] SubStack: unlike dnode-python I might add!
[03:21] mnaser: SubStack: we'll leave it some love if we need anything ;)
[03:21] Aria: pHcF: Well, usually, with telnet proper, it goes through the kernel's tty interface, translating characters through the tty cooked mode. You'll have to emulate that. The short version? Watch for \003 and act on it.
[03:21] jesusabdullah: You shut your face python is hard alrite
[03:21] aaroninfidel: jesusabdullah: so, any other suggestions?
[03:21] jesusabdullah: aaroninfidel: thinking
[03:21] pHcF: Aria: ok, i'll try
[03:22] pHcF: hmm.. waiting for \003 didn't work
[03:22] SubStack: jesusabdullah: but it's just executable pseudocode!
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[03:22] jesusabdullah: Oh, okay, so with express, you would make a request, and in a middleware parse the payload. I've done some of this json parsing in the other direction before, I'll see if I can find the code
[03:22] jesusabdullah: SubStack: Have you ever seen anyone build anything useful out of pseudocode? No.
[03:22] aaroninfidel: jesusabdullah: ok thanks.
[03:22] jesusabdullah: Not without accidentally the python.
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[03:23] mnaser: i had to do python
[03:23] mnaser: if you do ruby and start doing python
[03:23] mnaser: you will go crazy
[03:23] jesusabdullah: haha mnaser 
[03:23] mnaser: especially when you start adding ":" at the end of if's
[03:23] jesusabdullah: Lucky for me, I started with python so I didn't know better
[03:24] SubStack: I can't write it... there's no lambdas on it
[03:24] jesusabdullah: the crazy thing for me is that it's len() not .length
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[03:24] mnaser: it's very cryptic
[03:24] jesusabdullah: also now I recognize that python lambdas suck
[03:24] qbert_: ya ?
[03:24] jesusabdullah: oh, aaroninfidel, this might help: https://github.com/jesusabdullah/lulzbot/blob/master/gitwatch/github-webhook.js#L71-83
[03:24] Aria: pHcF: What's the codes of the characters you did get?
[03:24] jesusabdullah: aaroninfidel: I was having github push json towards a connect server, which should preeeeeetty much be like how you'd do it in express
[03:24] materialdesigner: Why can't you just createan http client for the API emailing?
[03:24] jesusabdullah: aaroninfidel: No guarantees, but you might find some hints there
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[03:25] Aria: pHcF: telnet can negotiate some other weirdness, too, like using the OOB flag on the TCP packets to signal a break.
[03:25] materialdesigner: Endpoint* not emailing
[03:25] jesusabdullah: Also, metaprogramming/self-introspection in python is really hard compared to js :(
[03:25] bwinton: jesusabdullah: Really?!?  That's the first time I've heard that…
[03:26] jesusabdullah: Yes, really.
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[03:26] __directory: will node.js run on Microsoft Bob?
[03:26] jesusabdullah: also, types suck
[03:26] pHcF: Aria: 65533
[03:27] qbert_: __directory,  dont call me bob
[03:27] mnaser: that's really good, i think i might go the dnode path to pave the way to have our entire internal api nodejs--ised
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[03:28] qbert_: mnaser, I love dnode, I have a largish project that dnode has cut out swaths of boilerplate for me.  In fact I'd have to say its the most attractive part of node for me
[03:28] Aria: pHcF: That's not right! Telnet's 7-bit!
[03:29] mnaser: we have our own private cloud infrastructure (think ec2 on steroids with persistency, better pricing and independently scalable specs
[03:29] pHcF: Aria: I'm using command.charCodeAt(0)
[03:29] mnaser: and we're re-engineering the internal apis to use node for server provisioning and volume/storage provisioning
[03:29] Aria: Ah, you're letting V8 turn it into strings.
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[03:30] Aria: I think the ASCII-to-UTF-16 conversion there might munge things
[03:30] qbert_: mnaser, haikorou ?  or however its spelled
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[03:30] mnaser: nono
[03:30] Aria: Since \003 isn't valid unicode.
[03:30] mnaser: we're not vendor specific
[03:30] mnaser: we do linux/window servers instantly cooked up
[03:30] mnaser: you do what you want in them
[03:30] Aria: You probably want to get the raw buffer then, pHcF 
[03:30] mnaser: we have our own servers/network/datacenter/etc
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[03:32] mnaser: I'm looking into this, if you were to use diode with a lot of different functions, what would be clean way to implement it
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[03:33] qbert_: diode ?
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[03:34] pHcF: Aria: how?
[03:34] __directory: hmm: hmm
[03:34] Aria: pHcF: Don't setEncoding.
[03:35] mnaser: dnode, freaking osx lion autocorrect
[03:35] pHcF: Aria: i'm not setting encoding anymore
[03:35] qbert_: mnaser, lol.  Id like to see some statistics as to how many node users are mac users :S
[03:36] qbert_: mnaser, I'll PM you how I use it, I had to kind of play with it to get it clean-ish
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[03:37] jesusabdullah: I should poll my coworkers on platform
[03:37] jesusabdullah: I know our intern uses windows
[03:37] jesusabdullah: well, "our" intern
[03:37] Aria: pHcF: Hrm. Then your data events should give you a buffer.
[03:37] jesusabdullah: like he's mine
[03:37] jesusabdullah: He's been there longer than me
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[03:37] __directory: take his cigarettes
[03:38] jesusabdullah: I'm the one with the cigarettes
[03:38] jesusabdullah: Everyone just kinda rolls their eyes when I pull them out
[03:38] jesusabdullah: "Ugh, I should quit, I hate these things"
[03:38] jesusabdullah: Saadiq gives me a, "well, yeah, probably" sort of glance
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[03:40] pHcF: Aria: any idea about how to get the raw data of the buffer?
[03:40] igl: < 3rd day off cigarettes
[03:40] jesusabdullah: Oh, Aria, are you gonna be around later? I had an idea I wanted to chat with you about, nothing urgent or even well-formed
[03:41] jesusabdullah: ^5 igl 
[03:41] __directory: I quit a year ago, regret it.
[03:41] __directory: really should probably go buy a pack
[03:41] __directory: smack the wife about the house
[03:41] jesusabdullah: Oh no you don't
[03:41] __directory: and ahve a beer
[03:41] jesusabdullah: Just have a beer
[03:41] TheJH: can anyone here help me with the github api? this fails: https://gist.github.com/c2c2ea6139ae41a1b2a6
[03:42] jesusabdullah: TheJH: I always used ajax.org's node-github module, works pretty well!
[03:42] TheJH: ah, already figured it out
[03:42] TheJH: wrong header name
[03:42] jesusabdullah: I see!
[03:43] TheJH: jesusabdullah, I'm using that module, too, but it has no gist support
[03:43] loveshine: so what's the best module to watch a file for changes to debug code?
[03:43] TheJH: loveshine, as in "automatically restart"?
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[03:44] jesusabdullah: TheJH: I see! Maybe you should pull request it
[03:44] loveshine: TheJH: yes, like this https://github.com/remy/nodemon which is what ive been using
[03:44] TheJH: jesusabdullah, didn't implement it inside the module
[03:44] loveshine: but im wondering if there's better options?
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[03:45] TheJH: !npm search github
[03:45] jhbot: packages (truncated): connect-gzip, coverage_testing, gist, gista, github, github-flavored-markdown, gitter, jinkies, ngist, nithub, node-nude, nodelint, npm-github-service, ntodo, nyam, pagen, pulley, redis-completer, sfml, thepusher
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[03:47] jesusabdullah: TheJH: MAYBE YOU SHOULD
[03:47] jesusabdullah: TheJH: It would be awesome...
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[03:49] pHcF: i guess my control + c command is being interpreted locally :(
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[03:50] TheJH: jesusabdullah, it's not much code: https://gist.github.com/1100984
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[03:55] __directory: I am stupid.
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[03:56] JaKWaC_: Anyone at the Mozilla WSOH?
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[04:01] jesusabdullah: COFFEESCRIPT up bup bup bup bup
[04:01] jesusabdullah: __directory: Why?
[04:01] shanebo: TheJH, do you know if posix is deprecated, or what it is?
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[04:02] __directory: I'm trying to mimick something like Mongoose's model() function and can't work it out
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[04:10] TheJH: jesusabdullah, you like coffee? or you don't like it? can't parse your statement
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[04:11] TheJH: shanebo, POSIX is a standard that UNIX and Linux implement
[04:11] TheJH: shanebo, ask wikipedia
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[04:11] shanebo: weird
[04:11] shanebo: saw a tutorial that require'd it
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[04:13] kasper: POSIX deprecated? Hopefully not :)
[04:13] TheJH: jesusabdullah, if you want a js version of my gist, type !coffee compilegist https://gist.github.com/1100984
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[04:13] TheJH: I'll get some sleep now, 06:13 here
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[04:24] mnaser: any nice howtos on getting coffee script with node.js?
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[04:25] igl: npm install coffeescript
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[04:28] jesusabdullah: TheJH__: Naw, just giving you shit.
[04:29] mnaser: igl: i see, but do i run "coffee my-node.app.js" ?
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[04:32] igl: mnaser: CS files end with .coffee
[04:32] mnaser: gotcha, I've done CS with rails but never with node.js
[04:32] mnaser: not yet, at least :p
[04:32] mnaser: "404 'coffeescript' is not in the npm registry." poop
[04:34] mnaser: coffee-script
[04:34] mnaser: im an idiot
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[04:35] igl: nah, the - in the module name is stupid
[04:35] d0k: get more coffee
[04:36] igl: never got why even care to start with cs tbh
[04:36] igl: adds another abstraction layer
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[04:37] igl: co workers would kill me
[04:37] d0k: you can say the same thing about virtually any abstractions
[04:37] igl: blows up code
[04:37] igl: hmm
[04:37] igl: dont really get it
[04:37] mnaser: i find it cleaner personally
[04:38] d0k: why do you use C? just write assembly!
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[04:40] jesusabdullah: igl: I understand why people like C, but I don't understand why people gush about it and try to get everyone else to use CS too
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[04:40] igl: i never said anything about C :S
[04:41] jesusabdullah: like, the legend of someone rewriting your module in coffeescript and sending a pull request
[04:41] jesusabdullah: FTFY! :V
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[04:41] igl: d0k felt offended i think
[04:41] jesusabdullah: The point with c vs. assembly is just that c is an abstraction, right?
[04:41] d0k: igl: nope
[04:41] jesusabdullah: You could make the same argument, presumably, or a similar one
[04:41] d0k: I don't write coffescript
[04:41] jesusabdullah: It's an analogy
[04:42] jesusabdullah: CS is actually pretty cool, I think, aside from that
[04:42] d0k: to be honest, I haven't even used js in a while ;)
[04:42] igl: abstraction is wonderful if it makes things simpler
[04:42] igl: but CS adds more logic than needed
[04:42] jesusabdullah: Well
[04:42] jesusabdullah: CS makes *some* things simpler
[04:42] jesusabdullah: but the biggest thing is aesthetics
[04:43] igl: if i dont want curly bracket that bad
[04:43] igl: id use djago
[04:43] igl: :F
[04:43] igl: django
[04:43] jesusabdullah: except django is python, and coffeescript is still javascript in all the important ways
[04:45] jesusabdullah: Also, django is a framework, not a language. It'd be more comparable to, say express
[04:45] jesusabdullah: or getty or any of the other frameworks
[04:45] igl: thats beside the point
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[04:47] igl: i think there is just a limit to how much pre molding you should do
[04:47] jesusabdullah: If you're going to be making an argument, you have to make the *right* argument. I may know what you're saying, but clear thinking is important.
[04:47] jesusabdullah: I don't mean this in a "WE'RE FIGHTING" way obviously
[04:47] jesusabdullah: What do you mean by pre-molding?
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[04:51] igl: anyone who ever touches the project now needs coffee script knowledge
[04:51] igl: ontop of js
[04:52] jesusabdullah: what project is this?
[04:53] jesusabdullah: a hypothetical project?
[04:53] jesusabdullah: rails?
[04:53] igl: hypothetical yeah
[04:54] jesusabdullah: Yeah, I admit that this turns me off a little bit from coffeescript projects
[04:54] jesusabdullah: but luckily, there isn't that much to learn
[04:54] jesusabdullah: It *looks* different but it's pretty much the same aside from different symbols
[04:54] jesusabdullah: Ask someone that knows whether I'm talking about semantics or syntax or what
[04:54] jesusabdullah: probably semantics
[04:54] jesusabdullah: "It's just semantics" right?
[04:55] jesusabdullah: That said, that's *still* a barrier, so for library development javascript is more attractive
[04:56] igl: yea i think it is healthy to remove barriers
[04:56] igl: haml like templating i get fully support, it removes the complexity
[04:56] jesusabdullah: For app dev, though, why not? If cs is what you like, it's what you like
[04:56] igl: but CS adds
[04:57] jesusabdullah: I gotta make sure my bird isn't harrassing SubStack too hard, brb
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[04:57] igl: for small / personal projects
[04:58] igl: i wouldnt carry it to work
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[04:58] igl: well
[04:58] igl: < omlette
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[05:00] chjj: wow, markdown compilers are all so inconsistent
[05:00] chjj: this is rough
[05:00] mnaser: https://github.com/jashkenas/coffee-script-tmbundle
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[05:00] jesusabdullah: yeah chjj, tell me about it :(
[05:00] chjj: john gruber shouldve made a test suite or something
[05:00] mnaser: does anyone know what text mate theme that is
[05:00] mnaser: it is really nice?
[05:00] jesusabdullah: Yeah, well
[05:00] deoxxa: chjj: that's because markdown has no real grammar
[05:00] isaacs: you know what's hilarious?  I'm the second picture result on google for "unsafe perm"
[05:00] jesusabdullah: The guy had a good idea and everybody else followed through
[05:01] isaacs: the others are weird photos of hair products and stuff.
[05:01] jesusabdullah: I'd just as soon use that "markdown extra" project as a de facto standard
[05:01] jesusabdullah: that, or github-flavored
[05:01] isaacs: (and porn, of course)
[05:01] kasper: mnaser: i prefer the Twilight ones, but i prefer dark themes
[05:01] mnaser: that one looks really nice but i can't tell which one it is :p
[05:01] mnaser: it's not IR_black
[05:03] chjj: deoxxa: yeah, the original markdown is a mess of regexes as far as i know, the lexer i wrote uses regexes for lexemes, but it actually tokenizes instead of making love to a string of text
[05:03] kasper: mnaser: 2morrow Night is also great, you can see it here: http://wiki.macromates.com/Themes/UserSubmittedThemes
[05:03] deoxxa: yeah, that's the way to do it
[05:03] mnaser: yeah i was just on the page and it looks like thats it
[05:03] deoxxa: i write a lot of parsers etc for work, which often involves my boss going "look at this product and see if you can reuse any of the code"
[05:04] deoxxa: which involves me going "oh my, no, no no no. that is horrid."
[05:04] chjj: lol
[05:04] deoxxa: so i feel where you're coming from with the "this is rough" comment :P
[05:05] deoxxa: my favourites are the parsers that pretend to have a grammar, but don't
[05:05] deoxxa: case in point: silverstripe's template parser
[05:05] chjj: well, im writing a little markdown test suite, and then testing my parser vs other ones, like markdown.js, and showdown, but they both do things completely differently, and a lot of things they just do *wrong*
[05:05] deoxxa: ah, yeah
[05:06] chjj: ive never heard of that
[05:06] chjj: whats a silverstripe?
[05:06] deoxxa: ah, silverstripe is a stupid PHP CMS
[05:06] chjj: oh
[05:06] chjj: hehe
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[05:07] deoxxa: basically their templates are so close to being properly parseable
[05:07] deoxxa: <strong><% if Method_On_Controller %>Yes!<% else %>No!<% end_if %></strong>
[05:08] deoxxa: they have that kind of construct implemented as a single regex
[05:08] deoxxa: makes me want to cry
[05:08] chjj: why is <% such a popular convention in templating languages, its so damn awkward to type
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[05:08] deoxxa: then they have <% if Method_On_Controller(argument_1) %>
[05:08] chjj: a single regex? is it a recursive regex?
[05:08] deoxxa: and <% if Method_On_Controller(argument_1, argument_2) %>
[05:08] deoxxa: etc
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[05:08] deoxxa: no, just one
[05:08] deoxxa: like
[05:09] chjj: as far as i know, php has recursive regexes
[05:09] chjj: you can do (?R..)
[05:09] chjj: and it will recurse the pattern
[05:09] deoxxa: m#<% if (.+?) %># // no arguments
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[05:09] deoxxa: m#<% if (.+?)\(([^\)]+)\) %># // 1 argument
[05:09] deoxxa: etc
[05:10] deoxxa: not even kidding
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[05:10] chjj: there has to be more do it than that, how does that templating language even work then?
[05:10] deoxxa: well, that's just part of it
[05:10] deoxxa: it "compiles" to PHP
[05:11] chjj: i dont get it, you said php?
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[05:11] deoxxa: correct
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[05:11] deoxxa: refer to the part where i mentioned crying
[05:11] deoxxa: :(
[05:11] chjj: hmmm
[05:12] mnaser: can you guys run "npm install diode" -- it just stays there shtuck..
[05:13] chjj: i think im just going to make my own markdown spec, i have no idea how i should model this compiler with every md compiler going every which way
[05:13] chjj: on even the most essential things
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[05:13] chjj: like paragraphs in list items
[05:14] kasper: make your own spec? like all the other implementations? :)
[05:14] mnaser: nevamind
[05:14] mnaser: just installed
[05:14] chjj: better than rolling a die and picking one
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[05:14] chjj: both markdown.js and showdown dont even allow code blocks in list items for some reason, so thats the first thing ill deviate from
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[05:19] mnaser: chjj: why don't you code it and put in a pull request or so
[05:19] mnaser: i don't know the exact use case but why reimplmenet everything, fix what you need and help others too
[05:19] Nuck: I just realized something
[05:19] Nuck: There any great ways to send emails in Node?
[05:20] Nuck: Like, that you guys would recommend?
[05:20] mnaser: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/modules#wiki-smtp
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[05:20] Nuck: I can get a list
[05:20] Nuck: Easily
[05:20] medice: does socketio have some preferred way of grouping sockets in to 'rooms' for broadcasting events to subscribers
[05:20] Nuck: But I was wondering if there were any specific recomendations
[05:21] mnaser: then open the list, check the projects yourself with your needs, look how active it is, and make a decision ;)
[05:21] medice: or do i just do some collection and iterate over
[05:21] Nuck: medice: Use arrays?
[05:21] medice: alright
[05:21] mnaser: follower and how often it's maintained says a lot usually
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[05:31] CIA-65: node: 03koichik 07master * r3eb2464 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Doc improvements - https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/3eb246485a5567f2362203b0d467ea7999031bc0
[05:32] jesusabdullah: medice: Look into nowjs and/or hook.io maybe
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[05:37] medice: hook might be it
[05:37] medice: thanks, i'll look into it
[05:38] jesusabdullah: medice: Word. hook.io is still being worked on a lot, but from what I've seen it will be frickin' awesome
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[05:40] jesusabdullah: Hell, I've already seen some crazy stuff done with hook.io
[05:40] jesusabdullah: way cool stuff
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[05:40] kasper: hooks remind me of drupal *shrugs*
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[05:41] te-brian: trying to get less working with express.  When I enable the compiler, everytime I hit a URL the console output 'undefined' and thats it. any ideas?
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[05:43] aaroninfidel: anyone here know how to use jade templates?
[05:43] aaroninfidel: I need to add an image src dynamically, but idk how.
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[06:13] jerrysv: damn you xcode. damn you.
[06:15] gf3: NO U
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[06:29] alexhq: This pull request needs your review https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/1375
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[06:58] dscape: anyone used node with resque?
[07:02] isaacs: alexhq: commented
[07:02] isaacs: alexhq: looks good, though
[07:05] alexhq: isaacs, thank you, replied.
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[07:07] isaacs: alexhq: so, if you have a socket open for a really long time, let's say, and youer' sending movies over it, or some other big thing.
[07:08] isaacs: alexhq: at some point, the "socket.bytesRead" might be big enough that you lose count of them.  that is, the number flips into float-mode, and then eventually, exceeds its mantissa length.
[07:08] isaacs: the first loss of precision starts at 2^32.  the next at 2^51.
[07:08] isaacs: but that's a LOT of bytes.
[07:09] isaacs: at that point, being one or two off has gotta be ok.
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[07:12] DrPizza: As long as you maintain precision until you run out of VM space I would imagine you won't break anything too badly.
[07:12] DrPizza: Since it's not like someone can create a buffer that'll get its size wrong or anything like that
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[07:13] DrPizza: I mean, it sucks, but it's not like you can do anything about it, since htat's the way JavaScript works.
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[07:14] gf3: you could maintain a two-stage counter
[07:15] gf3: kilobytesSent + bytesSent
[07:15] gf3: bytesSent could rollover and ++ kilobytesSent
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[07:15] gf3: not sure if that's even useful
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[07:16] DrPizza: well, it depends if someone can come up with any kind of meaningful programmatic thing to do with it
[07:16] DrPizza: If it's just informational to present to a user ("you have transfered XXX bytes this session") then it doesn't matter 
[07:16] DrPizza: I doubt you can even hit 2^53 anyway
[07:16] DrPizza: 2^53 is a lot
[07:17] DrPizza: It's over 9000 (heh) terabytes.
[07:18] alexhq: gf3, nice catch, we can do that in application and set stats to zero from time to time
[07:18] DrPizza: I think that's what, 2 years non-stop at gigabit seeds?
[07:18] DrPizza: speeds*
[07:19] te-brian: I'm trying to use param pre-conditions in express... my param callback gets fired (and then dishes off to mongodb) but the main route callback does not wait for next().
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[07:24] dexter_e: Anyone know if its possible to do  default assignment in ejs    ( myfieldname || "None")
[07:25] dexter_e: the same way you would do in javascript     var a = something || "default stuff" 
[07:25] dexter_e: or      var a = s && "default-string"  
[07:26] DrPizza: shouldn't do that.
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[07:27] DrPizza: what if "something" is a false or false-like value?
[07:27] DrPizza: you'll then set 'a' to the default value
[07:27] DrPizza: even though the user specified it!
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[07:29] dexter_e: well that was just an example 
[07:29] dexter_e: we can go with     var a = s || "default";
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[07:30] DrPizza: so if the user specifies '' (empty string) you'll ignore them!
[07:30] DrPizza: same problem
[07:30] dexter_e: that will be ok.  
[07:30] dexter_e: I just want to have semi-pleasant default results in the event of missing or unknown data.
[07:31] dexter_e: so if we run the render() method and the data going doesn't contain a field which the template requires it will still render , but with some missing data -  instead of crashing
[07:32] dexter_e: is that possible ?
[07:32] DrPizza: the most common solution I've seen that avoids the falsey problem
[07:32] DrPizza: is to have both your defaults and your arguments in an object
[07:33] dexter_e: hmm
[07:33] DrPizza: and then produce a merged object
[07:33] DrPizza: that tests argumentObject.hasOwnProperty()
[07:33] DrPizza: and only uses the default when hasOwnProperty is false
[07:33] DrPizza: so you can detect the ones which are genuinely missing
[07:34] DrPizza: rather than merely false-like
[07:35] DrPizza: dexter_e: I think jQuery and many other libraries include similar functionality built-in
[07:35] DrPizza: I think node perhaps used to but does not any more
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[07:35] dexter_e: I see.   For this application I don't mind the possible sloppiness of falsy values, I just want the templates to render even if pure trash is passed into the render function
[07:36] dexter_e: Ideally the template would still render even if all the data was missing. 
[07:36] dexter_e: is that possible somehow ?
[07:37] DrPizza: dexter_e: so something like function merge(defaults, arguments) { var result = {}; for(var name in defaults) { result[name] = arguments.hasOwnProperty(name) ? arguments[name] : defaults[name]; } return result; }
[07:37] DrPizza: (off the top of my head)
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[07:39] dexter_e: DrPizza: Thanks. That looks like it would do the job, but this would require that a Defaults object is manually created for every template. 
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[07:39] dexter_e: I would like the templates to be self-describing and self-defaulting  so that we wouldn't have to be aware of how to default them from the outside. 
[07:40] dexter_e: We can just pass pure garbage into the render and still have it render
[07:40] DrPizza: the default would be part of the template surely
[07:40] dexter_e:   oh yeah?
[07:40] dexter_e: how would that be possible?
[07:40] DrPizza: I have no idea
[07:40] dexter_e: :)
[07:40] dexter_e: oh ok
[07:41] dexter_e: Are you using ejs?
[07:41] DrPizza: If I were designing a parameterized templating engine, it would allow the setting of defaults somehow!
[07:41] DrPizza: no
[07:41] dexter_e: which one you like?
[07:42] DrPizza: I have no idea what's even on offerin the world of javasciprt
[07:43] DrPizza: and now, I sleep
[07:43] dexter_e: sweet, nighty night
[07:43] dexter_e: thanks for the input
[07:44] dexter_e: the merge solution would be awesome if you could just   merge things right into templates.
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[07:47] dexter_e: Any EJS monsters in here?
[07:48] chjj: ejs monsters?
[07:48] chjj: are they scary?
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[07:50] dexter_e: hopefully they're scary
[07:51] dexter_e: I just want to do know how we can make the render method gracefully degrade instead of just crashing if one value is missing.
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[08:15] daleharvey: whats that thing that restarts node when you change a file
[08:15] daleharvey: I have it installed, just cant remember how to invoke it
[08:16] deoxxa: presumably you'd invoke it by changing a file
[08:16] igl: nodemon
[08:16] igl: lol :P
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[08:20] daleharvey: thanks igl 
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[08:25] JaKWaC_: Is there an easy way to do byte conversion in node?
[08:26] JaKWaC_: For example I have the bytes 20, 184, 169, 62 and I need to conver those into a float.
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[08:56] deadman87: Good morning everyone :-)
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[09:02] dexter_e: goodmorning.
[09:02] dexter_e: Anyone using WELD.js ?
[09:04] jesusabdullah: dexter_e: I haven't, but you can probably catch hij1nx tomorrow morning and ask him about it
[09:04] dexter_e: whoa cool
[09:04] dexter_e: thanks!
[09:04] jesusabdullah: Yeah, np
[09:04] jesusabdullah: It's a little late in New York
[09:05] jesusabdullah: ;)
[09:05] dexter_e: gotcha
[09:05] dexter_e:  any ideas how they ship the pure html templates to the browser?
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[09:05] dexter_e: The appeal of weld is it doesn't require <%%>  funny tags in your markup
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[09:06] dexter_e: but I wonder how they ship the tempates.
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[09:08] tiglionabbit: nge
[09:08] tiglionabbit: hi
[09:08] tiglionabbit: is there an easy way to build a recent deb of node?
[09:08] tiglionabbit: or get one?
[09:08] tiglionabbit: I'm having a bit of trouble
[09:10] deoxxa: tiglionabbit: yes, it is easy enough, but i'm curious as to why you need it specifically
[09:10] deoxxa: it's equally simple to install from source, unless you need to deploy it to a hundred boxes or something
[09:10] tiglionabbit: deoxxa: I want to install it on ubuntu, but I don't want to use version 0.2
[09:10] tiglionabbit: but I'm sure it's better to package it than to just make install
[09:11] deoxxa: not really, as long as you install it to /usr/bin - that's where user-built applications are supposed to go
[09:11] tiglionabbit: I seem to have successfully installed a deb of the 'works' tag, but npm fails to install because 'graceful-fs' is missing
[09:12] tiglionabbit: gonna try again with 0.5.2
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[09:38] wao: hm
[09:38] wao: Error: require.paths is removed. Use node_modules folders, or the  NODE_PATH environment variable instead. npm 1.0.20 & node 0.5.2
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[09:52] fille: alloh
[09:55] TheJH: hello fille
[09:55] fille: hi :D
[09:56] mendel_: is there a easy way to get the parent directory of process.cwd()
[09:56] mendel_: of course I could split etc, but maybe there's something in the api that I'm missing
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[10:00] igl: mendel_: require("path") does that for you 
[10:00] igl: path.join("/home/foo/bar", "../") =  /home/foo
[10:00] TheJH: mendel_, require('path').dirname('/etc/')
[10:00] mendel_: igi: I need to loop a directory (fs.readdir), but that dir is a subdir of the parent folder from the script it's running in
[10:01] TheJH: mendel_, just calling dirname is shorter and works, too
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[10:02] mendel_: so I need to loop /folder1/folder2 but my script is in /folder1/folder3
[10:02] mendel_: and I don't want to use the full path ;)
[10:02] igl: i usually use the  "__dirname" global
[10:03] igl: and join/concat it with the path module how i want it
[10:03] TheJH: mendel_, then path.join is better for you, I think
[10:03] mendel_: TheJH: perfect, thnx
[10:03] mendel_: strange that I didn't see that one
[10:03] TheJH: mendel_, thank igl
[10:04] igl: :x
[10:04] mendel_: haha sorry igi
[10:05] mendel_: let met rephrase, igl you're the man 
[10:05] igl: hehe alright enough enough
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[10:33] Nuck: Can I put shit in exports.foo in a callback?
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[10:36] javajunky: morning kids 
[10:36] javajunky: Anyone having issues compiling on lion osx ?
[10:37] javajunky: (I'm beyond install the dev tools to get make incidentally..)
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[10:40] javajunky: mikeal: I can see from github you've had the same issue as me 'ARCH' not declared … did you manage to resolve it ?
[10:40] TheJH: Nuck, you can, but make sure that you don't try to access it in the other module before it's there
[10:43] javajunky: oops just needed to run configure … meh hopefully these logs'll help someone else :)
[10:43] TheJH: javajunky, there are no logs
[10:44] javajunky: I mean of the form: http://nodejs.debuggable.com/2011-07-15.txt
[10:44] TheJH: what???? freenode policy says that you have to say it when you log a channel!
[10:45] Nuck: Everybody knows there's logs here, they're public knowledge
[10:45] Nuck: they're also on hitlr.de IIRC
[10:46] TheJH: humm... actually, the guidelines say "If you're publishing logs on an ongoing basis, your channel topic should reflect that fact."
[10:47] TheJH: would probably be a good idea
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[10:50] FireFly: Hi, how can I control environment variables for subprocesses spawned via the child_process module?
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[10:52] javajunky: hmm TheJH it did used to say that on entry, but I notice it didn't do that before.. the logs here are pretty useful generally.
[10:52] TheJH: FireFly, you could try to spawn a bash or so
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[10:52] FireFly: Hrm, so it can't be done "directly"?
[10:52] TheJH: javajunky, it could still be in the topic :/
[10:54] TheJH: FireFly, dunno how child_process.exec works internally, but it seems to allow stuff like piping inside the command, maybe it already does bash magic or so: http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/child_processes.html#child_process.exec
[10:54] FireFly: Oh, I was using spawn, I'll try exec
[10:55] FireFly: Neat, works like a charm :D
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[11:13] javajunky: hmmm, on the 'new' npm do I have to do some magic to require 'global' modules now1? ?
[11:15] TheJH: javajunky, why do you want global modules?
[11:15] TheJH: javajunky, just "npm install" them
[11:17] javajunky: yes, indeed, I have done (npm install -g )  .. its ok, I suspect its because the version of npm  I have isn't compatible (expects different behaviour) to the version of node.js I'm running.
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[11:19] CIA-65: node: 03Daniel Pihlström 07master * r96bb97e 10/ (lib/fs.js test/simple/test-fs-write-file.js): 
[11:19] CIA-65: node: convert nonbuffer data to string in fs.writeFile/Sync
[11:19] CIA-65: node: Fixes #657. - https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/96bb97e3da6a3e6c26400f62fa959c08bdaf703b
[11:20] TheJH: javajunky, why "-g"? install them locally!
[11:20] javajunky: TheJH: if I did that I might as well use git submodules (and would prefer to) .. why would I *not* do them globally ? 
[11:21] TheJH: javajunky, because you might have to use different versions
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[11:21] TheJH: javajunky, but you can try "sudo npm link foo" to make a global module locally available, should work
[11:21] TheJH: (replace foo)
[11:23] javajunky: err, so you're saying your understanding is there's no way to access globally installed npm modules by default ? .. that would seem odd, it hasn't worked like that for the last year or so ?
[11:23] TheJH: javajunky, I'm not really sure, but I think so
[11:24] TheJH: javajunky, just try the sudo npm link thing
[11:28] javajunky: TheJH: you appear to be correct http://blog.nodejs.org/2011/04/06/npm-1-0-link/  … hmm I wonder how well this is gonna translate to windows .
[11:29] dexter_e: Anyone use weld.js ?
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[12:17] CIA-65: node: 03Vicente Jimenez Aguilar 07v0.4 * rb8e9bf0 10/ ChangeLog : 
[12:17] CIA-65: node: Typos in ChangeLog file.
[12:17] CIA-65: node: Fixes #968. - https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/b8e9bf0993ebf59d995bdea7d0d44fb8643b783d
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[12:57] CIA-65: node: 03SAWADA Tadashi 07v0.4 * re357acc 10/ (src/node_crypto.cc test/simple/test-crypto.js): 
[12:57] CIA-65: node: Fix crypto encryption/decryption with Base64.
[12:57] CIA-65: node: Fixes #738.
[12:57] CIA-65: node: Fixes #1205. - https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/e357acc55b8126e1b8b78edcf4ac09dfa3217146
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[13:11] javajunky: *sigh* … trying to bench my node app, since the osx lion upgrade, ab is intermittently failing with: apr_socket_recv: Connection reset by peer (54)
[13:11] javajunky:   …. these appear to coincide with errors in the console logger of : kernel: nstat_lookup_entry failed: 2  .. I'm (now) back running the stable node.js release and still seeing this, anyone else ?
[13:11] javajunky:  
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[13:23] dexter_e: anyone in here rockin weld.js ?
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[13:56] e6nian: So,How to get all the connect client ids in the server? socket.id just return single one of the connected clients.
[13:57] deoxxa: e6nian: what kind of server?
[13:57] deoxxa: http? tcp? udp? https? etc?
[13:57] e6nian: I'm asking a question of socket.io 
[13:57] deoxxa: ah
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[13:58] e6nian: deoxxa: Sorry that confuses you.
[13:58] deoxxa: no problem :)
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[14:02] Raynos: Anyone familiar with jsdom?
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[14:04] TheJH: e6nian, you might want to ask that in #socket.io
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[14:04] e6nian: TheJH: Yeah,I've join that channel,and also refer to the source code
[14:05] e6nian: TheJH: Yesterday,that cross-domain requset is supported by socket.io,but just for the socked.io server,So I'm working for a chrome extension now.
[14:06] TheJH: e6nian, can't you just take the normal socket.io browser client code?
[14:07] e6nian: TheJH: And,maybe if I have time,I would like to extend the socked.io with cross-domain ajax request.
[14:07] e6nian: TheJH: Yes,I take that.
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[14:08] e6nian: TheJH: Do you have any advise about it? or I'm take the wrong way. Any other way to make ajax request with socket.io?
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[14:10] TheJH: e6nian, socket.io can do cross-domain pjson requests (or whatever that JSON-in-scripttag-ajax is called) as far as I know, but in an extension, you should even be able to use websockets
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[14:10] TheJH: e6nian, same origin policy afaik doesn't apply to extensions
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[14:12] e6nian: TheJH: To use extension, I can't do everything,and "permissions": [ "tabs", "<all_urls>", "notifications" ]
[14:12] e6nian: <all_urls> can give me the permition to all over the net.
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[14:23] CIA-65: node: 03Jeroen Janssen 07master * r2fe780b 10/ wscript : build: add wscript detection for node_version - https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/2fe780b36c3f13891930786ed82d5c0a495a731c
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[14:32] xerox: does anybody know of a "better ps", much like ack is a "better grep" ?
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[14:35] TheJH: xerox, for what purpose?
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[14:37] xerox: TheJH: to avoid having to read ps man page and come up with a nice alias myself : D
[14:37] xerox: possibly having it also colored meaningfully
[14:38] TheJH: hmm, no
[14:38] TheJH: maybe ask in ##unix or so?
[14:38] xerox: ok
[14:38] xerox: TheJH: do you know ack?
[14:39] xerox: I am resistant to change but it is really really handy http://betterthangrep.com/
[14:42] TheJH: xerox, no, I don't
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[14:51] escii: Hi nodes :]
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[14:55] bnoordhuis: xerox: htop
[14:55] hij1nx: is anyone else getting build errors on cc http_parser.c -> http_parser_3.o when trying to build from head?
[14:55] xerox: bnoordhuis: but htop is interactive
[14:55] kasper: htop is nice :)
[14:55] bnoordhuis: xerox: right - then i don't know a better alternative
[14:55] xerox: well, true ( :
[14:56] xerox: bnoordhuis: ok thanks though
[14:56] xerox: so far I came up with ps -m -o pid,user,%mem,args
[14:56] bnoordhuis: hij1nx: node or http_parser?
[14:56] xerox: too bad osx ps doesn't have --sort user tho
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[14:56] hij1nx: bnoordhuis: node
[14:56] jerrysv: hij1nx: did you get xcode working?
[14:56] CIA-65: node: 03Daniel Pihlström 07master * rfa829b0 10/ (lib/fs.js test/simple/test-fs-write-file.js): 
[14:56] CIA-65: node: convert nonbuffer data to string in fs.writeFile/Sync
[14:56] CIA-65: node: Fixes #657. - https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/fa829b0fd31b4723a6d5ffb77816b06baa838267
[14:57] hij1nx: jerrysv: yes
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[14:57] hij1nx: jerrysv: fking xcode.
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[14:57] jerrysv: hij1nx: mine got worse, i forced an uninstall and now can't get it back
[14:57] bnoordhuis: hij1nx: wfm - can you gist the build log?
[14:57] hij1nx: bnoordhuis: yes 1sec
[14:59] jerrysv: hij1nx: um, how did you fix it?
[15:00] hij1nx: bnoordhuis: pm'd
[15:00] bnoordhuis: hij1nx: thanks
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[15:00] hij1nx: jerrysv:  i think what was broken for you  was different from what was broken for me
[15:01] jerrysv: awesome.
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[15:01] bnoordhuis: hij1nx: what os and why doesn't it have sys/types.h?
[15:01] hij1nx: bnoordhuis: Darwin 12-189-117-134.att-inc.com 11.0.0 Darwin Kernel Version 11.0.0: Sat Jun 18 12:56:35 PDT 2011; root:xnu-1699.22.73~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64
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[15:02] hij1nx: heh
[15:02] bnoordhuis: hij1nx: something must be wrong with your setup
[15:02] hij1nx: bnoordhuis: lion upgrade? ;)
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[15:03] bnoordhuis: hij1nx: what happens if you `cd deps/http_parser && make`?
[15:04] hij1nx: pretty much the same output
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[15:04] bnoordhuis: hij1nx: i suspect your gcc is broken
[15:04] hij1nx: bnoordhuis: lol
[15:05] bnoordhuis: the problem at least is that it can't find the system headers
[15:05] hij1nx: bnoordhuis: I'm pretty sure that its because of my mac os x upgrade to lion
[15:05] hij1nx: bnoordhuis: new version of Xcode seems to have moved things around quite a bit...
[15:06] bnoordhuis: hij1nx: i don't suppose you have a 'downgrade now' button somewhere? :-/
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[15:06] hij1nx: bnoordhuis: haha, i wish...
[15:06] hij1nx: apple =(
[15:07] jerrysv: hij1nx: for future reference - had to uninstall xcode by hand, then delete the installers for /Applications -- then it allowed me to re-download
[15:08] hij1nx: jerrysv: ew
[15:08] jerrysv: hij1nx: yeah, but maybe in 30 minutes i'll finally be able to explain my ab point :)
[15:10] hij1nx: bnoordhuis: can't find the sys headers... should be a simple fix?
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[15:12] bnoordhuis: hij1nx: yes, they normally are in /usr/include
[15:12] bnoordhuis: brb, dinner
[15:13] pquerna: anyone seen anything to integrate node.js with stud <https://github.com/bumptech/stud> ? specifically the write-ip / haproxy ip line support?
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[15:15] booo: i'm trying to write cc-bindings for nodejs and i'm working with a async c-library. i want to call a function which calls async another c function which then should call the callback for nodejs
[15:15] booo: any hints how to do this?
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[15:17] TheJH: booo, maybe you could look at some existing node modules? my knowledge of c is to limited to be able to help with that
[15:17] TheJH: *too limited
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[15:19] booo: TheJH, of course, i did...
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[15:20] pquerna: booo: what do you mean async c-library
[15:21] pquerna: booo: generally, the patterns are either its a c-library which could use libev for its event loop, and then you just use libev's functions to get callbacks for IO etc
[15:21] pquerna: booo: or its something that isn't -- so you use libeio to run the whole thing in a thread pool, and get a callback in the main thread once its 'done'
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[15:25] pquerna: (there are a few that try to manage their own thread pool, you can use that too, and use libev to get a callback back in the main thread to talk to v8)
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[15:41] dherman: is this an okay place to ask questions about npm?
[15:42] TheJH: dherman, it's one of the best
[15:42] TheJH: dherman, go ahead :)
[15:42] dherman: thx -- I'm failing pretty hard just at installing
[15:43] dherman: (and then failing pretty hard at posting to the google group)
[15:43] dherman: my yaks are getting smooth
[15:43] dherman: here's the msg I tried to send to the group:
[15:43] dherman: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1279561
[15:43] dherman: tl;dr: seem to need sudo to install, and even then it's weirdly sensitive to the $PWD where I install from
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[15:47] TheJH: dherman, what is wrong about the result of attempt 2?
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[15:48] dherman: TheJH: I didn't expect it to be sensitive to where I ran the command from
[15:48] dherman: I assumed it would create the local root in my home directory
[15:48] dherman: is that not the case?
[15:48] dherman: I thought: "strange... I'd better teach myself about npm folders" but then npm help folders failed (see #4)
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[15:49] dherman: I also thought it was strange that the advertised one-liner fails
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[15:49] dherman: why does the npm page suggest an install line that doesn't work?
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[15:49] dherman: er, sorry, that sounded glib
[15:50] dherman: but something seems wrong about the fact that the advertised installation line failed. maybe something weird about my machine that npm doesn't expect?
[15:50] e6nian: what's the Circular in node.js? 
[15:50] dherman: TheJH: if it's not clear, notice the result of `npm root` at the end of attempt 2
[15:51] e6nian: Circular is a new type in node.js?
[15:51] TheJH: dherman, the npm "root" depends on the folder you're inside
[15:52] dherman: TheJH: I see. I must not be understanding its purpose then
[15:52] TheJH: dherman, when you install stuff with npm, it installs the packages in the current folder (in a subfolder "node_modules")
[15:52] dherman: TheJH: what's the rationale for it being local to the $PWD instead of the user's home directory?
[15:53] dherman: $PWD is so sensitive... it'll leave node_modules directories all over the place
[15:53] TheJH: dherman, in case you need different versions of a package in different projects or so
[15:53] dherman: I see
[15:53] TheJH: dherman, you should only run "npm install <module>" in the folder where you need that module
[15:54] dherman: oh, I think I just understood something
[15:54] dherman: `npm root` doesn't tell you anything about the installation of *npm* -- just where local packages will be installed relative to where you are now
[15:54] TheJH: dherman, that allows even crazy stuff like this: A depends on B(version 2) and C, C depends on version 1 of B
[15:55] TheJH: dherman, yes
[15:56] dherman: TheJH: huh... I don't see how local installation is either necessary or sufficient for dependency graphs like that
[15:56] dherman: couldn't global installation simply contain all versions that are needed?
[15:56] dherman: and local installation, if it only allowed one version per package, wouldn't allow such dependency graphs
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[15:58] TheJH: dherman, each sub-module with dependencies has its own node_modules folder
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[15:59] dherman: oh I see
[15:59] xerox: it's node_modules all the way down
[15:59] MaSch: hi. I don't know if this is the right place to ask a question about "cradle", the couchdb library but i don't know i better place so i'll just ask :D Is it possible to suppy a limit-paramtere to .all() ? 
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[16:12] dherman: TheJH: was it weird that I had to pipe to sudo sh instead of the documented command-line, or am I just being jumpy? :)
[16:13] xerox: dherman: npm uses process.installPath
[16:13] xerox: so depends where you installed your node
[16:13] TheJH: dherman, I'd say that it's normal
[16:13] TheJH: ah, ok
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[16:15] xerox: I install it to ~/.node
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[16:15] xerox: : )
[16:15] dherman: as in, ~/.node/node ?
[16:15] dherman: or you mean you install npm under ~/.node ?
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[16:17] xerox: as in git clone node; cd node; configure --prefix=$HOME/.node; make; make install; curl ...npm... | sh  so it goes under ~/.node/...npm...
[16:18] dherman: I see
[16:18] dherman: ok
[16:18] dherman: I'll do that then
[16:19] xerox: you also need export NODE="$HOME/.node" and export PATH="$NODE/bin:$PATH" (and restart the shell) in your ~/.profile before installing npm
[16:19] dherman: right
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[16:19] dherman: presumably, you don't typically check in a project's node_modules directory to git, right?
[16:20] xerox: indeed, .gitignore has "node_modules" in it
[16:20] dherman: so you aren't putting its third-party dependencies under source control
[16:20] hij1nx: dherman: no
[16:20] dherman: ah
[16:20] dherman: sweet
[16:20] dherman: ok
[16:20] xerox: I mean, you should create the file and put it in : )
[16:20] dherman: ah
[16:20] dherman: sure
[16:20] xerox: I am not sure if one should put .gitignore in the repo tho, as in git add .gitignore
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[16:21] dherman: ok
[16:21] dherman: thx for the help!
[16:21] xerox: anybody knows?
[16:22] hij1nx: is anyone using osx/lion yet?
[16:22] hij1nx: having issues building node on it...
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[16:23] xerox: hij1nx: I do
[16:24] hij1nx: xerox: i installed xcode4. and some things went missing.
[16:24] xerox: did you actually install it, or just downloaded it from the app store
[16:24] hij1nx: xerox: i had to install autoconf-archive and symlink to it
[16:24] hij1nx: so that i had ar
[16:24] hij1nx: i actually installed it
[16:24] xerox: no that should not happen
[16:25] escii: regarding the environment PATH variable.. isn't it just bette to linke node int /usr/bin/node ?  works like a charm here...
[16:25] xerox: escii: if you use the path, you get all the binaries you install with npm install thing -g without more links
[16:25] escii: ahw I've them for every project seperat atm... good point, thx
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[16:27] xerox: escii: excellent : )
[16:27] hij1nx: xerox: what version of gcc are you on
[16:27] hij1nx: ?
[16:27] jerrysv: hij1nx: once i forced an uninstall of xcode, deleted the install files out of /Applications, downloaded the new version again (had 2 options), i got everything back, including ar
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[16:28] xerox: hij1nx: i686-apple-darwin11-llvm-gcc-4.2 (GCC) 4.2.1 (Based on Apple Inc. build 5658) (LLVM build 2335.15.00)
[16:28] hij1nx: xerox: ok. i have my own build (gcc (GCC) 4.6.0 20110202 (experimental)) i guess thats not going to work ;)
[16:28] xerox: hehe
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[16:29] jerrysv: hij1nx: /Developer/Library/uninstall-devtools –mode=all
[16:30] hij1nx: jerrysv: and then you installed 3.x again?
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[16:30] jerrysv: hij1nx: no, once i did that, and eliminated the installer out of /Applications, the app store finally showed me two versions of xcode to install: xcode 4 snow leopard (the one i had previously) and xcode 4
[16:31] jerrysv: whereas before all it showed was xcode [installed]
[16:32] xerox: it also doesn't hurt to reboot, in my opinion
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[16:34] jerrysv: jerry@Pro:/tmp/node$ ./build/default/node -v
[16:34] jerrysv: v0.5.3-pre
[16:34] jerrysv: hij1nx: after all that: 
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[16:35] aklt: Hi, I'm compiling node, but it seems there is an error compiling v8 to do with use of an unused variable in valgrind.h... Has anyone compiled the newest node today?
[16:36] xerox: jerrysv: do you recompile node often?
[16:36] xerox: how much stuff do you have to reinstall every time?
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[16:37] jerrysv: xerox: no, this was post lion -- xcode stopped working for me completely
[16:37] jerrysv: it was a rough night
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[16:38] xerox: jerrysv: I see, I mean with respect to using the master branch instead of v0.4
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[16:38] jerrysv: xerox: no, i was just making sure that i could build master, hij1nx was having issues last night as well
[16:39] jerrysv: usually i run stable
[16:39] xerox: ah oops I use v0.4, I should have mentioned that
[16:39] xerox: but his problems seem to go deeper so it's probably fine
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[16:40] aklt: Using gcc 4.6.1...
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[16:42] hij1nx: aklt: you're running gcc 4.6.1 and building node 5.x or head?
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[16:42] aklt: hij1nx: Yep,.. it seems this version of g++ is better at finding unused code :-/
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[16:44] japj: I think there is an upstrean v8 bug for the gcc 4.6+ warning problem
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[16:45] aklt: hij1nx: Have you discovered problems with this?
[16:45] hij1nx: aklt: yes, its not recognizing particular flags
[16:46] hij1nx: aklt: https://gist.github.com/5d07232dd9ff0260042d
[16:46] hij1nx: x86_64 is obviously not a file or directory
[16:47] aklt: hij1nx: That looks strange!
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[16:50] jerrysv: hij1nx: i take it you're not building with xcode?
[16:50] jeromegn: hmm, in my package.json I have jade specified and since I'm including kue, it's also adding its own jade within its package. but my main app uses the jade from kue!
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[16:51] hij1nx: jerrysv: Xcode is a big bloated ide
[16:51] hij1nx: jerrysv: and a bunch of darwin ports
[16:51] jerrysv: er, sorry, not concise enough
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[16:52] aklt: hij1nx: Commenting out some unused declarations worked for me: https://gist.github.com/1101625
[16:52] jerrysv: wow, that was my first lion kernel panic
[16:53] jerrysv: hij1nx: let me be more concise: i take it you're not using the version of gcc installed as part of xcode 4?
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[17:16] CIA-65: node: 03koichik 07master * r50e147b 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[17:16] CIA-65: node: Add an optional length argument to Buffer.write()
[17:16] CIA-65: node: Fixes #243.
[17:16] CIA-65: node: Fixes #1361. - https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/50e147bd03a9e2d722e2d7fc96adf8ccefe49866
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[17:19] ^robertj: are there any web browsers writeten in node?
[17:20] TheJH: ^robertj, automated or with UI?
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[17:20] ^robertj: TheJH, either, I'm looking for an sgml parser in javascript
[17:21] TheJH: ^robertj, would an xml parser be ok, too?
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[17:22] ^robertj: no
[17:22] TheJH: !npm search sgml
[17:22] jhbot: no hits
[17:22] TheJH: hmm...
[17:23] kaww: seems like you have a job to do ^robertj :)
[17:23] ringomanatee: For those who are tired of wondering why they can't use tabs or arrows in their shell
[17:24] ringomanatee: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1412534 convers the surprisingly simple fix
[17:24] TheJH: ^robertj, there's sax-js which can afaik also auto-insert closing tags and such, would that work?
[17:25] ^robertj: TheJH, might
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[17:25] kaww: ringomanatee: isn't that only on old ubuntu versions?
[17:25] TheJH: ^robertj, it suports XML and can parse most html (as far as I know)
[17:25] TheJH: ^robertj, https://github.com/isaacs/sax-js
[17:26] isaacs: TheJH, ^roberttj: it doesn't grok html semantics
[17:26] isaacs: and never will
[17:26] ringomanatee: kaww: don't know how "old" old is ... i tworked on a Linode that was about a year old. 
[17:26] isaacs: so <p>a<p>b will be interpreted as <p>a<p>b</p></p> instead of <p>a</p><p>b</p>
[17:26] ringomanatee: kaww: what is the modern equivalent?
[17:27] ringomanatee: Html is the Ebonics of XML
[17:28] ^robertj: * A Schema-Aware XSD Thing - Schemas are an exercise in fetishistic masochism.
[17:28] ^robertj:  <-- bwahaha
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[17:28] kaww: ringomanatee: i have a linode running ubuntuserver 10.10 and no issues. I think there is a newer release as well. But actually I knew the fix for your problem because the company i work at have a lot of old ubuntuservers that I am using that fix on
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[17:48] isaacs: bnoordhuis: hey, how do you pronounce your name?  (noordhuis, not ben)
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[17:49] CIA-65: libuv: 03Igor Zinkovsky 07stdio * rac2812a 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): uv_std_handle + uv_listen on stdin - https://github.com/joyent/libuv/commit/ac2812a1cfa91b81992a231d34e6b591aa5e34cc
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[17:58] nail_: Is there any convenient/recommended wya to parse the mail body text fetched using node-imap? mailparser seems to expect a full message including the raw headers, not just the body
[18:05] japj: isaacs: are you doing another podcast?
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[18:06] japj: bnoordhuis: can you close https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/597 ?
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[18:09] isaacs: @japj some day, i'm sure
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[18:11] isaacs: japj: just closed 597
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[18:12] bentkus: http://is.gd/N3vxt2 comment!
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[18:43] mscdex: nail_: you don't need to
[18:44] mscdex: nail_: you can fetch a specific part
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[18:51] nail_: mscdex: yep but I'd like to retrieve the full mail at once and extract each parts individually... What I came up so far was concatening imap._state.requests[0]._headers that I grabbed in the msg 'end' handler when fetching the headers, with all the chunks retrieved when fetching the body
[18:52] nail_: passing that to mailparser makes it able to correctly parse the message, but that looks ugly :)
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[18:58] nail_: mscdex: that gives me something like https://gist.github.com/f99dbc4f6f0c852eaa4f , that works but I'm not sure how reliable it is :)
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[19:20] clyfe: How do I publish my awesome project to NPM registry ?
[19:20] clyfe: https://github.com/clyfe/meta_code
[19:21] brainproxy: clyfe: the NPM docs will help you out
[19:22] brainproxy: clyfe: see https://github.com/isaacs/npm/tree/master/doc
[19:23] clyfe: brainproxy: thx
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[19:23] brainproxy: clyfe: np .. especially see json.md
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[19:27] blueadept: with mongoose, do you have to define an array as a document with in a document?
[19:27] blueadept: is it required?
[19:28] dexter_e: anyone in here used weld.js ?   
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[19:29] dexter_e: know how to inject src and href or attributes?
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[19:32] xerox: can one reify the name of a variable in js
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[19:45] xerox: how can I pass some data to a module when I require it?
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[19:51] TheJH: xerox, in the module, do "module.exports = function(options) { ... return myExports; }"
[19:52] TheJH: xerox, require it like "require('module')(options)"
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[19:53] xerox: right but then I have to move all of the module definition inside the function
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[19:56] MooGoo: what path does node generally keep it's native modules at?
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[19:58] mscdex: MooGoo: nowhere, they're compiled in
[19:58] MooGoo: ah
[19:58] mscdex: nail_: i think there may be a way to get the whole message + headers, i'd have to implement it though. shouldn't be too hard to add in
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[20:01] blueadept: anyone know why this curl command won't retrieve this url?  http://pastie.org/private/mglbvnbxi4jl6mmswdx6g
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[20:01] blueadept: an image renders at that address, but curl is unable to retrieve that image
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[20:02] TheJH: blueadept, try curl -L "http://www.website.com/dir/ShowImage.aspx?size=full&id=48382"
[20:02] blueadept: ahh
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[20:05] blueadept: hmm, still says "no id entered"
[20:06] TheJH: blueadept, hmm, weird. maybe it checks referer or useragent or so
[20:06] blueadept: wait
[20:06] blueadept: no it did work
[20:06] TheJH: ah, ok
[20:07] blueadept: awesome, ty!
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[20:15] seivan: Scss or stylus? 
[20:15] blueadept: Stylus?
[20:16] mikey_p: Stylus!
[20:16] blueadept: stylus works fine for me, haven't heard of Scss
[20:16] mikey_p: it's the new syntax of SASS
[20:16] blueadept: my css is so baller now
[20:16] mikey_p: seivan: stylus lets you use which ever syntax you want, it's very flexible
[20:17] seivan: scss is backwards compatible with css
[20:17] seivan: stlus is not
[20:17] seivan: stylus is not*
[20:17] blueadept: oh i see
[20:17] mikey_p: seivan: you can use SCSS syntax with stylus
[20:17] blueadept: yeah i think you can actually
[20:17] mikey_p: seivan: or SASS, or any combination there off
[20:17] blueadept: haven't tried that
[20:18] mikey_p: which SASS cannot do, you have to stick to a single syntax dictated by the file's extension
[20:18] mikey_p: Stylus can mix and match in the same file
[20:22] mikey_p: seivan, blueadept: https://gist.github.com/1101843
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[20:23] blueadept: i like have to type the least amount of characters
[20:24] blueadept: less semicolons the better
[20:24] blueadept: er colons
[20:24] mikey_p: and stylus has a decompiler as well
[20:26] shanebo: hey guys, what's the global way that I can create a new class instance via a string?
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[20:26] shanebo: on v8cgi I used to do this
[20:27] shanebo: new global['Index'](args);
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[20:30] TheJH: shanebo, in node.js, it's standard to not use globals - use require() instead
[20:31] mscdex: nail_: i've pushed a change to allow fetching of the entire message, headers and all
[20:31] shanebo: TheJH so would I do something like:
[20:31] shanebo: var controller = require('path/to/controller/');
[20:31] shanebo: new controller()
[20:31] TheJH: shanebo, yes
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[20:33] shanebo: TheJH and in my controller file what do I return so that new controller() creates a new instance?
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[20:34] TheJH: shanebo, put the stuff that require() should return in module.exports
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[20:37] shanebo: TheJH, I see, thanks!
[20:38] TheJH: shanebo, maybe you should read the docs: http://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/modules.html
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[20:40] shanebo: I have been, just didn't know what to look for in docs. There was no module paradigm in v8cgi. it was just exports.foo = 'bar';
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[20:54] guydoingstuff1: good tutorial on creating a simple database and randomly displaying strings from it?
[20:54] Destos: does anyone know of any articles/middleware for express.js on how to handle static assets? ( loading particular js/css per request view )
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[20:58] TheJH: Destos, I think that express has some builtin stuff for static files
[20:59] Destos: TheJH: yeah it does, what I'm looking for is something that lets you select what files are loaded into the html header. I'll probably just customize the view.
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[21:06] loveshine: Destos: you can define dynamic view helpers that return an array of files depending on the page
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[21:17] seivan: mikey_p: hehe between you writing your answer and me reading it :D I got laid
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[21:18] CIA-65: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * raa0308d 10/ (src/node.cc src/node.js test/internet/test-dns.js): 
[21:18] CIA-65: node: process: add process.features, remove process.useUV
[21:18] CIA-65: node: Partially fixes #1385. - https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/aa0308d6182b2f7a2508373770952eefd2fdb0ac
[21:19] dimroc: anyone familiar with zappa?
[21:20] xerox: anybody knows an app that uses unix sockets so I can steal its skeleton? :D
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[21:22] bnoordhuis: dimroc: i have all his albums
[21:23] bnoordhuis: xerox: in node it's as easy as server.listen('/path/to/socket')
[21:24] xerox: bnoordhuis: and it creates the socket? the other guys then huh, fs.write to it?
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[21:24] b_erb: what's the best way of converting a base64-based buffer to a binary buffer in terms of performance?
[21:24] bnoordhuis: xerox: yes, it creates the socket for you
[21:24] bnoordhuis: xerox: and no, you simply use the net.* api
[21:25] bnoordhuis: xerox: it's just like talking to tcp sockets
[21:25] bnoordhuis: b_erb: new Buffer(base64_encoded_content, 'base64')
[21:26] seivan: dimroc: I looked it up
[21:26] seivan: dimroc: it goes a far way from the way node works
[21:27] dimroc: any opinion on it? seems sweet. sinatra on node
[21:27] seivan: dimroc: express is sinatra on node
[21:27] seivan: zappa is...  sinatra on E
[21:28] dimroc: with coffee script too though
[21:29] dimroc: im just asking opinions on it
[21:29] dimroc: i like the support for coffee-script, coffeekup and socket.io
[21:29] dimroc: in one space
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[21:30] dimroc: but i worry about hosting on heroku because im not sure i can configure the port number 
[21:30] dreamdust: http://www.benzinga.com/news/11/07/1789905/forget-anonymous-evidence-suggests-gop-hacked-stole-2004-election#ixzz1Ssy99Dmv
[21:30] dreamdust: err sorry wrong channel
[21:30] dreamdust: :/
[21:31] xerox: bnoordhuis: thanks :D
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[21:33] bnoordhuis: b_erb: you mean buffer to buffer, right? that kinda sucks right now, you have to convert the input buffer to a string first
[21:34] b_erb: bnoordhuis: hmm ok, that was the issue i was thinking of
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[21:34] bnoordhuis: b_erb: it's one of those 'fix sometime in the future' things
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[21:41] xerox: bnoordhuis: do you know if one can use an higher level library like socket.io or similar over a unix socket?
[21:41] bnoordhuis: xerox: no idea, sorry
[21:41] xerox: sure
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[21:56] mikeycgto: xerox, it may be overkill but i would definitely recommend zeromq
[21:57] mikeycgto: there are node.js bindings and i've had great success with it... it's basically sockets on steroids 
[21:57] mikeycgto: http://www.zeromq.org/
[21:57] xerox: mikeycgto: I am looking at diode now
[21:57] xerox: err, dnode
[21:57] xerox: but let me look at that too : )
[21:58] mikeycgto: certainly
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[22:04] chapel: xerox: what are you trying to do?
[22:04] chapel: 
ACTION wasn't paying attention

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[22:05] xerox: communication between two node.js processes
[22:05] xerox: via a unix socket
[22:05] chapel: dnode is good
[22:05] xerox: it does indeed look like it
[22:05] mnaser: I just started to use dnode
[22:05] chapel: and it lets you do it with functions
[22:05] mnaser: It's amazing.
[22:06] mnaser: Also, dnode does listen on unix sockets.
[22:06] TheJH: hey, guys, look:
[22:06] TheJH: !npm search (newline|delimited)&(network|stream|tcp|parser)
[22:06] jhbot: package directive: Parser for simple line delimited files
[22:06] chapel: yeah, between processes, it uses sockets, otherwise for browser, it uses socket.io
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[22:07] TheJH: !@TheJH mem npm-install
[22:07] jhbot: TheJH, curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sudo sh
[22:07] mnaser: fancy
[22:07] mnaser: It needs a help menu?
[22:07] mikeycgto: dnode does look pretty sweet
[22:08] TheJH: for help, query the bot and say "help"
[22:08] mnaser: It's as awesome as you think it is.  Then you'll start to use it, and realize it's even more.  I was seriously blown away by what it accomplishes transparently
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[22:19] bentkus: what classes are good for parsing binary formats?
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[22:20] xerox: mnaser: exactly the reason I found it : )
[22:21] tmzt: bentkus: node-binary
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[22:25] DrPizza: ugh, gross, C99 VLAs in C++
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[22:29] AvianFlu: xerox: yes.  use dnode.
[22:29] AvianFlu: or hook.io.
[22:29] xerox: AvianFlu: is hook.io stable now?
[22:30] AvianFlu: much more so
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[22:31] xerox: good
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[22:31] robinouu: hi all
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[22:31] robinouu: I want to build node.js on windows using cygwin
[22:32] robinouu: using https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Building-node.js-on-Cygwin-(Windows)
[22:32] augustl: I expected npm-link to check for already installed stuff instead of going straight to the npm registry
[22:32] robinouu: but I have the Build failed: -> task failed (err #2): {task: libv8.a SConstruct -> libv8.a} bug
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[22:32] augustl: I have "buster-core" npm linked on my system, but when npm link-ing a project that depends on buster-core, it fails since buster-core is not in the npm registry (yet)
[22:33] TheJH: augustl, "sudo npm link buster-core" fails?
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[22:36] robinouu: export SHELL didn't help , and I checked my version of gcc : 4.3.4
[22:36] robinouu: so I came here ^^
[22:36] augustl: TheJH: hmmm, why would sudo help?
[22:37] chjj: robinouu, are you trying to build v0.5.x?
[22:37] augustl: everything is in $HOME on my setup
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[22:37] robinouu: yes
[22:37] robinouu: v0.5.2 
[22:37] TheJH: augustl, then you don't need sudo, correct
[22:37] augustl: anyone here know what the behaviour is supposed to be like?
[22:38] chjj: could be why, id recommend using v0.4.10 with cygwin
[22:38] TheJH: augustl, could you gist the npm output?
[22:38] robinouu: ok i will try. Do I need to remove the git directory ? Or can i juste checkout the tag ?
[22:38] chjj: do git checkout v0.4.10
[22:38] augustl: TheJH: sure
[22:38] augustl: offbyone ~/c/b/buster-promise ∴ npm link
[22:38] augustl: npm ERR! 404 'buster-core' is not in the npm registry.
[22:38] augustl: npm ERR! 404 You should bug the author to publish it.
[22:38] augustl: npm ERR! 404 Note that you can also install from a tarball or folder.
[22:38] augustl: npm ERR! 
[22:39] augustl: npm ERR! System Linux 2.6.39-ARCH
[22:39] robinouu: ok thanks :D
[22:39] augustl: npm ERR! command "node" "/home/augustl/local/node/bin/npm" "link"
[22:39] chjj: np
[22:39] augustl: npm ERR! cwd /home/augustl/code/buster/buster-promise
[22:39] augustl: npm ERR! node -v v0.4.8
[22:39] augustl: npm ERR! npm -v 1.0.20
[22:39] augustl: npm ERR! 
[22:39] chjj: wow never copy and paste npm errors again please
[22:39] augustl: npm ERR! Additional logging details can be found in:
[22:39] augustl: npm ERR!     /home/augustl/code/buster/buster-promise/npm-debug.log
[22:39] augustl: npm not ok
[22:39] augustl: ugh wtf
[22:39] augustl: some times chrome doesn't copy... here we go http://pastie.org/2261128
[22:39] chjj: GIST
[22:39] augustl: sorry about that
[22:39] chjj: PASTEBIN
[22:39] augustl: chjj: aware of that
[22:39] augustl: chjj: already said I'm aware of the problem ;)
[22:39] TheJH: augustl, hmmm... seems like a bug
[22:40] augustl: yeah.. I'd say it makes sense to check what's already installed before checking the registry
[22:40] augustl: I'll wait in the shadows and stab isaacs when he's around
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[22:41] augustl: doh, user error
[22:41] augustl: in the tab where I "npm link" I don't have NODE_PATH set...
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[22:42] augustl: hmm that didn't help though
[22:43] augustl: here's everything: http://pastie.org/2261128
[22:45] isaacs: 
ACTION stabs augustl 

[22:45] isaacs: HAHA!!
[22:45] augustl: oh noes
[22:46] augustl: but I was tabbed out :(
[22:47] augustl: isaacs: so, should npm link check for already installed/linked dependencies before checking the npm registry?
[22:47] robinouu: chjj: sounds good, thanks. Do you know why it doesn't work on 0.5.x ?
[22:48] isaacs: augustl: i gotta run.  post an issue if it's doing what you don't like
[22:49] augustl: isaacs: kk, tnx
[22:49] tmzt: anybody know of a client for HandlerSocket in mysql for node?
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[23:00] clockwize: hey, i want to split a string, but remove empty items.. best way?
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[23:02] systemfault: Not sure I get your "empty items"
[23:02] egeste: Hello @ all. I'm a completely new user to node.js, it was recommended to me as a solution for using long polling as an event listener to a third party service. I notices that node.js spceifically advertises that it's for V8 javascript - I apologize if this question is ignorant, but, in terms of compatibility, deoes node.js function correctly across ff, ie, chrome, safari, etc? Is there a browser compatibility chart/matrix somewhere I can refere
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[23:03] blkcat: clockwize: you mean whitespace?
[23:03] AvianFlu: egeste: server-side javascript
[23:03] jhurliman: egeste, node.js was designed to run in a server environment. it does not run in a browser
[23:03] AvianFlu: no browsers
[23:03] TheJH: augustl, I just tried "npm link" in an unpublished package, works
[23:03] egeste: thats what it looked like
[23:04] TheJH: augustl, what does "npm -v" say? I have "1.0.10"
[23:04] jhurliman: egeste, for your situation, it sounds like the recommendation was to use node.js as an intermediary between the clients (browsers) and the third party service
[23:05] TheJH: augustl, mhm, you have a newer version
[23:05] clockwize: systemfault/blkcat: i mean if you split("/2/1/3/") you get ["", "2", "1", "3", ""]
[23:05] deoxxa: egeste: you might be interested in socket.io
[23:06] systemfault: clockwize: You could use filter on it
[23:06] systemfault: v8: "test";
[23:07] systemfault: Hmm do we still have a bot ? :/
[23:07] xerox: .. 'yes'
[23:07] catb0t: 03'yes'
[23:07] tuhoojabotti: .. 'no'
[23:07] catb0t: 03'no'
[23:07] tuhoojabotti: hihi
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[23:07] tuhoojabotti: I'm your bot.
[23:07] systemfault: .. "/2/1/3/".split("/").filter(function(str) { return !!str; });
[23:07] tuhoojabotti: Destoryer bot o.O
[23:07] catb0t: [ 03'2', 03'1', 03'3' ]
[23:07] tuhoojabotti: destroyer*
[23:07] clockwize: ah, cool :) ta
[23:08] TheJH: systemfault, there are even 2 bots, but jhbot does other stuff
[23:08] systemfault: Ah ok, thanks :)
[23:08] clockwize: for my next problem, i've just npm installed connect, but when i do connect = require 'connect', it can't find it?
[23:08] TheJH: !@systemfault npm search foo
[23:08] jhbot: systemfault, package foounit: Cross environment BDD test framework
[23:08] systemfault: Cute.
[23:08] tuhoojabotti: TheJH: It does queryspam? :O
[23:08] tuhoojabotti: cool
[23:09] tuhoojabotti: I can do that too.
[23:09] tuhoojabotti: oh no
[23:09] tuhoojabotti: not query
[23:09] TheJH: tuhoojabotti, queryspam? huh?
[23:09] tuhoojabotti: Well, I can spam channels too!
[23:09] systemfault: Hmm
[23:09] systemfault: .. "/2/1/3/".split("/").filter(Boolean);
[23:09] catb0t: [ 03'2', 03'1', 03'3' ]
[23:10] xerox: systemfault: :o
[23:10] xerox: you sir a wizard
[23:10] systemfault: I don't think so..
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[23:37] loveshine: wow i dindt know filter could work like that
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[23:41] nail_: Speaking about filter, what's the best source to know what js features are available in node? ecma-262 5th edition reference?
[23:41] tmzt: .. typeof Boolean
[23:41] catb0t: 03'function'
[23:41] tmzt: .. Boolean.toString()
[23:41] catb0t: 03'function Boolean() { [native code] }'
[23:41] tmzt: nail_: it's v8, usually a very recent version
[23:42] tmzt: .. Boolean(null)
[23:42] catb0t: 02false
[23:42] tmzt: .. Boolean(1)
[23:42] catb0t: 02true
[23:42] tmzt: .. Boolean(0)
[23:42] catb0t: 02false
[23:42] tmzt: ah
[23:42] tmzt: .. Boolean('0')
[23:42] catb0t: 02true
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[23:44] nail_: ok, so it looks like that's this one
[23:44] mnaser: Any suggestions on perhaps a library that executes commands (basically like system(..))
[23:44] xerox: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.10/api/child_processes.html
[23:45] mnaser: thats what I'm using but it really seems to be a pain when doing a bunch of them.. the cod looks scary
[23:45] xerox: is it?
[23:46] mscdex: nail_: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/ECMA-5-Mozilla-Features-Implemented-in-V8
[23:46] mnaser: It's what I've been using..
[23:46] xerox: I don't think it gets any better than that
[23:46] xerox: but what do I know
[23:46] Nuck: hmmm
[23:46] nail_: thx mscdex 
[23:47] mscdex: child_processes rock!
[23:47] Nuck: In mongo, I want to have my artworks numbered incrementally...
[23:47] mnaser: mscdex: have you had to chain up a bunch that depend on the success of the former ones?
[23:47] mnaser: it does get quite messy
[23:47] Nuck: But I'm not sure if I should override _id
[23:49] mnaser: and this might sound really stupid, but should everything really be a callback, it's almost impossible to chain a call and i seem to find myself in deep hardcore chaining.
[23:49] AvianFlu: mnaser: make them all work off of events
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[23:49] AvianFlu: mnaser: name your callbacks
[23:49] mscdex: mnaser: if you have a linear set of commands to execute, store them in an array and reuse a function that does the actually child process execution, one at a time
[23:49] Nuck: mnaserL You get used to it
[23:49] mscdex: there's multiple ways to go about it
[23:50] mnaser: work off events, any info on that?  also naming my callbacks, I'm getting around doing that
[23:50] Nuck: I don't see anything wrong with callbacks.  I did at one time, but I don'y any more.
[23:50] mnaser: that makes sense, mscdex.. sounds clean too
[23:50] AvianFlu: mnaser: the child processes have events that they emit when things happen
[23:51] mnaser: ah, the .on and so on, i see
[23:51] Nuck: If those Events don't work for you, you can always use your own EventEmitters.
[23:51] AvianFlu: do child.on('exit', function (code) {console.log('process exited with status code %d.', code) });
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