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[01:36] isaacs: ircretary: hi, welcome back
[01:36] ircretary: isaacs: I'm not sure what to do with that command.  Ask for help in PM.
[01:36] isaacs: ircretary: hello
[01:36] ircretary: isaacs: Hello :)
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[01:45] TheCoreh: hey guys, just wondering... how do you remove a route on express after you have added it?
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[02:08] Nuck: I had a chat with all of dA's develoeprs today
[02:08] Nuck: Guess what they said.
[02:08] Nuck: "<knightar> NodeJS doesn't scale"
[02:08] Nuck: RAAAAAAAAAAGE
[02:08] Aria: But nodejs is web scale.
[02:09] Nuck: inorite
[02:09] Nuck: They tell me Node doesn't scale when they're using PHP and MySQL
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[02:09] Nuck: They're behind a CDN and STILL they have asstons of servers
[02:09] Nuck: I think they said 150 full servers
[02:10] Nuck: With up to 64GB of RAM
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[02:10] igl: ^^
[02:11] Aria: Hah. Fun.
[02:11] Aria: Sounds like my new job.
[02:12] Aria: "The chat server nearly took down the service. It checks every 2.5seconds!"
[02:12] Aria: ... they spin up a whole Apache process for each hit.
[02:12] Nuck: lmao
[02:12] Aria: Yes, they do IM by polling.
[02:13] igl: im not surprised by much anymore ^^
[02:14] SubStack: polling >_<
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[02:16] Nuck: long polling could be fine
[02:16] Aria: Nope! Regular ol' short polling.
[02:16] Nuck: Actually, even REGULAR polling could be fine
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[02:16] Aria: (And long polling would be worse: this is Apache without mpm_event)
[02:16] Aria: But they have 30,000 clients on line at any given time.
[02:16] Nuck: But spinning up an apache process per connection
[02:16] Nuck: Aria: Oh fuck, what company is this?
[02:17] Aria: Can't say. But it's a work in progress.
[02:17] Aria: If there's time I'll probably fix it. Probably with node.
[02:18] igl: i know 2 php devs who would do exactly the same ^^
[02:18] igl: rather throw hardware at it instead of looking outside of php<>apache
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[02:19] Aria: Yeah.
[02:19] Aria: Or it was just something written under time pressure by junior developers.
[02:20] Nuck: Really?
[02:20] Nuck: Aria: Do you work for Facebook? lol
[02:20] igl: hes talking about the google+ chat im sure :>
[02:21] Nuck: I actually know Facebook throws hardware at their problems
[02:21] Aria: I do not.
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[02:21] Nuck: Wasn't it that when they first started, they
[02:21] Aria: And Facebook's chat came up as an example of how to do it right today.
[02:21] Nuck: d restart whole data centers at a time?
[02:21] Aria: Sure.
[02:22] Nuck: Aria: Tell them to study deviantART chat.
[02:22] Nuck: Now THAT is a prime example.
[02:22] Aria: Yeah? Is it good?
[02:22] Nuck: Or joltproject.com/client/
[02:22] Nuck: (shameless bump)
[02:22] Aria: Hehe
[02:22] Nuck: I worked for jolt for a while
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[02:24] Nuck: But yeah, I hear Facebook would shut down data centers weekly
[02:24] Nuck: A sector at a time
[02:24] Nuck: Just because of memory leaks
[02:24] Aria: Yep.
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[02:24] Nuck: 
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[02:24] Nuck: I can't believe a company could be THAT stupid.
[02:25] Aria: Why? It was the normal technology of the time, and PHP did leak like mad.
[02:25] Aria: So did Apache.
[02:25] Nuck: They STILL USE PHP<>Apache
[02:25] Nuck: I'm pretty sure deviantART does too
[02:25] rhdoenges_: bnoordhuis: ping
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[02:26] Nuck: Just one more reaon why to make my own art community lol
[02:26] devaholic: PHP was cool
[02:27] devaholic: it was hip
[02:27] Aria: Heh. joltproject/client told me to screw off.
[02:27] Nuck: Aria: 404?
[02:27] Aria: No, something about my browser.
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[02:27] Nuck: AriaYou have flash?
[02:28] Aria: No, why?
[02:28] Nuck: It's old so it relies on flash for a socket layer :P
[02:28] Aria: Heh. Oy.
[02:28] Nuck: Nowadays we have socket.io
[02:28] Aria: Flash is all crashy and makes my browser hang.
[02:28] Aria: So it went out a while ago.
[02:28] paulwe: socket.io uses flash
[02:28] Nuck: Yeah but it has more routes too
[02:29] kartmetal: flash is a sometimes transport.
[02:29] kartmetal: kinda like cookie.
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[02:29] paulwe: wasn't websocket support disabled because of vulnerabilities?
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[02:29] kartmetal: in Firefox yes. Chrome never disabled it, I think.
[02:30] Nuck: Chrome doesn't give a fuck
[02:30] killfill: i hope android enable websocket soon in the browser... :P
[02:30] Nuck: Because it's secure enough as it is lol
[02:31] Nuck: http://joltproject.com/~nuck/client/ <-- my fork
[02:31] markbao_: hey
[02:31] markbao_: having an async issue with loops
[02:31] markbao_: code I'm trying to run: https://gist.github.com/595bc79f2993bba7e9da
[02:31] markbao_: results inline
[02:31] Nuck: The server is in Python, but I'm thinking of remaking a server in Node...
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[02:34] Nuck: Ugh
[02:34] Nuck: I need a separate client developer for this site :V
[02:34] Nuck: As it stands, I'm doing damn near everything
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[02:35] chjj: thats the best way to do it
[02:35] Nuck: I can't do both the client and server
[02:35] Nuck: I need them to be worked on in parellel
[02:36] chjj: nonsense
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[02:36] chjj: no excuses, code like a champion
[02:36] Nuck: I can't keep switching between client & server
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[02:36] Nuck: As much as I WANT to do both, I CAN'T.
[02:36] chjj: hehe, thats what ive been doing the past few days, i drift between the client and server
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[02:37] Nuck: Trying to think of what budding JS devs I might be able to shanghai...
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[02:37] Nuck: Hmm, there's a few on dA
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[02:39] jamescarr: is there a good example of using express to compile coffeescript for the client side?
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[02:43] Nuck: Is there a single person in the entire community that actualy LIKES the new logo?
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[02:43] Nuck: There's some who are neutral, and many who hate it
[02:43] jamescarr: Nuck, me ;)
[02:43] Nuck: But I've yet to find a single person who likes it.
[02:43] jamescarr: I think it's great
[02:43] Nuck: jamescarr: NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOU NOW STFU
[02:43] Nuck: :P
[02:44] Nuck: jamescarr: Now go be emo lol
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[02:45] jamescarr: nah, I'll just go back to working on my app so i can get my next paycheck ;)
[02:45] Nuck: fair enough lol
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[02:48] mattcodes: #git
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[02:48] Nuck: mattcodes: In there, done that
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[02:55] HelloWorld: hello
[02:55] HelloWorld: does send() do any formatting?
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[02:59] chjj: send?
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[03:01] HelloWorld: yeah
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[03:08] Corren: does anyone have an example a really nicely factored project using express for both an api and server composition?
[03:08] Corren: I'd just like to learn about good design practices
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[03:13] perlmonkey2: I'm trying to figure out why my express sessions aren't being written to the db. I'm using the connect-mongodb store, but it looks like the memory store is being used. Here's my config line: app.use(express.session({ store: mongoStore(app.set('db-uri')), secret: 'supersecret' }));
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[03:15] perlmonkey2: I'm also using dnode which after inspecting the lib appears to add some middleware which does something with the request object.
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[03:18] jesusabdullah: perlmonkey2: I doubt dnode is borking the req object.
[03:18] perlmonkey2: jesusabdullah: yeah, I didn't see anything in dnode which would overwrite the session store (that'd be bizarre), but it might be a clue to something.
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[03:19] jesusabdullah: speaking of dnode, I believe SubStack also wrote an alternate session middleware for express
[03:19] jesusabdullah: node-sesame or some such
[03:20] jesusabdullah: though, I don't believe it has a mongo plugin
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[03:21] perlmonkey2: jesusabdullah: cool I'll dig through his libs and see what's there. But some of the stuff looks a bit crufty and uses deprecated functions (not complaining).
[03:22] jamescarr: hmmm
[03:22] jamescarr: a little off topic, but anyone here using backbone.js?
[03:23] jesusabdullah: it depends on its age
[03:23] jesusabdullah: I think sesame might be stale, as it was written a while ago
[03:23] jesusabdullah: They've been using node since at least 0.2
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[03:28] perlmonkey2: jamescarr: you looked at the nodepad example from DailyJS?
[03:28] perlmonkey2: I believe it uses backbone
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[03:32] perlmonkey2: jesusabdullah: looks like it is dnode-stack.
[03:33] perlmonkey2: Wow, like 28 lines of code
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[03:35] perlmonkey2: ah, built on seq. Uses Seq.ap which is deprecated, but still works. hmm, dnode is cooler than all get out, but I've spent 3-4 evenings trying to get it work with express. Maybe I should just use express and get something done :P
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[03:37] eboyjr: SubStack: The Node Turtle
[03:37] eboyjr: SubStack: What's the turtle represent?
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[03:40] jesusabdullah: perlmonkey2: It definitely works with express, since they use it with express in production.
[03:40] jesusabdullah: perlmonkey2: When SubStack gets back from the store you should talk to him about it
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[03:41] perlmonkey2: jesusabdullah: He's probably answered this a hundred times. I probably just need to keep looking on the net for an answer.
[03:41] jesusabdullah: I bet not, actually. <_<;
[03:43] rhdoenges: the turtle represents nothing more and nothing less than a turtle
[03:43] rhdoenges: that's basically what he told me
[03:43] chjj: that turtle with v8 strapped to its back should be the node logo, it really should
[03:43] jesusabdullah: The turtle represents awesome
[03:43] rhdoenges: it should be the mascot
[03:43] rhdoenges: the old logo is in the drawing.
[03:43] perlmonkey2: jesusabdullah: I'll hit him up tomorrow. I'm gonna sign on if a few.
[03:44] perlmonkey2: besides I can't even get the non-memorystore to work :P
[03:44] jesusabdullah: ooh
[03:44] jesusabdullah: I see
[03:44] jesusabdullah: Yeah, good plan perlmonkey
[03:44] perlmonkey2: thanks for the heads up
[03:45] eboyjr: http://substack.net/images/node_turtle.png
[03:45] devaholic: chjj: i think i said this yesterday
[03:45] eboyjr: The turtle looks unamused
[03:45] konobi: rhdoenges: it's turtles all the way down
[03:45] devaholic: and i totally agree
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[03:45] devaholic: the turtle should be the mascot
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[03:45] eboyjr: I think there is trademark issues with that though
[03:46] devaholic: dont think, just do
[03:46] jesusabdullah: in what sense, eboyjr?
[03:46] eboyjr: do, get sued
[03:46] jesusabdullah: Who do you think is gonna get upset?
[03:46] rhdoenges: who gives a flying turtle about that
[03:46] eboyjr: I'm just thinking about the use of the name Node.js
[03:46] rhdoenges: oh, that?
[03:47] jesusabdullah: I think it'll be the unofficial mascot, if only because SubStack is going to draw lots of turtle-themed node art
[03:47] jesusabdullah: I have been too actually :P
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[03:47] rhdoenges: I drew moses the other day
[03:47] rhdoenges: but I digress.
[03:47] jesusabdullah: up bup bup
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[03:49] rhdoenges: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y
[03:49] rhdoenges: that is all I have to say about this issue
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[03:51] TheEmpath: hail nodelings
[03:51] TheEmpath: i've implemented node.js at my game company
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[03:52] TheEmpath: they program in php and flash, which is ass cheeks, because if you want to debug the server calls, it interupts the control flow and busts the client.  i made a node server and a trace() call in php that socket connects to the node server and routes the contents of the trace to the user who is connecte dto a page via socket.io
[03:53] jesusabdullah: Haha, awesome
[03:53] TheEmpath: this way the server keeps running, the error gets reported, i can get alot of data about whats going on in the server, and i can measure its changes over time
[03:53] TheEmpath: UNFORTUNATELY the call to the server has to be blocking
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[03:53] TheEmpath: because the php server instance can actually end before it sends all the data to node.js
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[03:54] TheEmpath: which in itself isn't a big deal
[03:54] TheEmpath: but it is when you expect properly formated json
[03:54] jamescarr: sheesh
[03:54] jamescarr: is there a simpler backbone.js example out there? j
[03:54] jamescarr: just something small and simple to start with 
[03:55] jamescarr: so far, the todo example and the notepad example are... quite involved
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[03:59] tmzt: jamescarr: the todo isn't bad, cut it down a little, it's mostly binding events
[03:59] tmzt: I started with backbone and ended up with a similar event driven rendering system (but without the ajax integration), though it's also quite useful
[04:00] jamescarr: tmzt, yeah it feels massive but I'm going to just go through it line by line
[04:01] konobi: TheEmpath: iirc, there's an interruptable json parser on npm
[04:01] eboyjr: an asyncronous json parser?
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[04:01] TheEmpath: :O :O :O
[04:01] jamescarr: eboyjr, a webworker enabled json parser
[04:02] eboyjr: webworkers in node?
[04:03] perlmonkey2: strange, I thought from looking at the code that expression.session.store defaulted to the memorystore. But if I don't set the store my req.session.store is undefined.
[04:03] jamescarr: yes they exist
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[04:04] clifton: what do people use in their express apps to parse POST data?
[04:04] clifton: formidable still?
[04:04] jamescarr: clifton, I use express 
[04:04] clifton: ah, must have missed the syntax to do that
[04:05] jamescarr: for example, with form fields like user[name], user[age], etc...
[04:05] TheEmpath: webworkers in node... well, yes i suppose such a setup is possible
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[04:05] jamescarr: var user = req.param('user')
[04:05] jamescarr: user.name, user.age
[04:05] tbranyen: TheEmpath: pretty sure they landed in node in the past
[04:05] jamescarr: I usually toss it into a mongoose object
[04:05] tbranyen: dunno if they were removed
[04:05] konobi: TheEmpath: yup... async-json it seems
[04:05] clifton: ah ok
[04:05] jamescarr: var user = new User(req.param('user')); user.save();
[04:05] clifton: im just not getting those in the req.param
[04:05] jamescarr: er
[04:05] jamescarr: req.params?
[04:05] clifton: yea
[04:06] clifton: well, i think i just answered my own question
[04:06] devaholic: must you all continue to reply in the node.js logo thread?
[04:06] devaholic: i wish i could filter that thread straight to spam >_>
[04:06] clifton: i dont know why everyone cares so much about the logo
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[04:06] clifton: yeah i know :(
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[04:07] clifton: yeah, req.param('input_name') is undefined
[04:07] clifton: do you need to have express use a module to get it working?
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[04:08] clifton: nevermind, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4295782/node-js-extracting-post-data
[04:10] jamescarr: clifton, sorry, I forgot ;)
[04:10] clifton: that doesnt seem to be working with my version of express, either
[04:10] TheEmpath: 
ACTION is now suddenly interested in leveraging HTTP caching in node.js.... any nifty tools out there solving this business?

[04:10] clifton: boo
[04:10] jamescarr: devaholic, yeah, the people in that thread whine a lot
[04:11] jamescarr: seriously, why do people act like the world will end over a logo and insist on having their own crappy logo adopted? :)
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[04:12] mape: street credz?
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[04:13] SubStack: eboyjr: the turtle represents a turtle
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[04:14] konobi: SubStack: all the way down?
[04:14] isaacs: devaholic: i think gmail has a "mute" feature.
[04:14] Aria: jamescarr: It's because it's a bikeshed.
[04:14] TheEmpath: The logo: Forty goat dicks wrangling in a wet slither trying to outpace one another to win the affection of a strawberry-shaped crossiant
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[04:14] TheEmpath: end of debate
[04:14] SubStack: konobi: indeed
[04:15] isaacs: TheEmpath: what message would that send?  "Use node.js, because it is DEEPLY DISTURBING"?
[04:15] SubStack: or alternatively, floating through space
[04:15] TheEmpath: deeply disturbing the stack paradigm
[04:15] tmzt: the code speaks for itself
[04:15] tmzt: ?
[04:15] clifton: app.use express.bodyParser()
[04:15] isaacs: see, the problem isn't actually teh logo.  the problem is changing the logo, ever.
[04:15] Aria: "The last guy who didn't use node went insane. You wouldn't want that, now would you?"
[04:15] tmzt: what has been more elegant a codebase, a concept
[04:15] isaacs: Aria++
[04:15] catb0t: Aria now has 1 beer
[04:16] konobi: isaacs: agreed
[04:16] TheEmpath: 
ACTION has forgotten how vibrant this community is.

[04:16] bentkus: yeah
[04:16] TheEmpath: 
ACTION also forgot about Dre.

[04:17] konobi: isaacs: is not democracy... closer to a meritocracy =0)
[04:17] isaacs: konobi: what, node?
[04:17] konobi: yar
[04:17] isaacs: nah, it's a straight up dictatorship.
[04:17] bentkus: you know what I like about node.js?
[04:17] bentkus: It is not php.
[04:17] Aria: 
ACTION laughs.

[04:17] Aria: It so isn't.
[04:17] SubStack: isaacs: there should be a new logo every fortnight
[04:17] Aria: Though it's improved my PHP a lot.
[04:17] isaacs: bentkus: that is a huge thing it its favor, for sure!
[04:18] isaacs: SubStack: that'd help keep the thread alive.
[04:18] SubStack: generated by computer to be maximally infuriating
[04:18] konobi: isaacs: well, yeah... benevolent dictatorship... but the close aides are generally in there due to merit =0)
[04:18] isaacs: SubStack: hahaha
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[04:18] isaacs: konobi: yeah.  i think in practice most software projects end up as a meritocracy, or dead.
[04:18] bentkus: :D
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[04:18] bentkus: the async style is nice too
[04:19] jamescarr: need an idea for node knockout? html2jade
[04:19] jamescarr: site you can go to, paste html into, and get jade output
[04:19] jamescarr: bonus points if supports coffeekup and haml ;)
[04:19] TheEmpath: im starting to code my php as if it was capable of continual states, instead of the default statelessness
[04:19] isaacs: jamescarr: because jade is hard to write...?
[04:19] jesusabdullah: What do you mean by that?
[04:19] isaacs: "Now you can use all your favorite HTML tools to write Jade templates, too!!"
[04:20] jesusabdullah: isaacs: Or, because you want to convert your old html to jade?
[04:20] TheEmpath: i mean im starting to see my server calls as total control flows instead of little isolated API snippets
[04:20] jamescarr: isaacs, no, existing html t :)
[04:20] isaacs: ...oh, yeah, that too ;)
[04:20] jamescarr: that I want as a jade template
[04:20] isaacs: that makes more sense.
[04:20] jesusabdullah: It'd be handy for migration
[04:20] Stythys: yeah converting old code would be awesome
[04:20] SubStack: I like state.
[04:20] SubStack: I am a stack after all.
[04:20] TheEmpath: i love state.  you break it, you know.
[04:20] Stythys: esp. for getting others you're working with (project environment) to use it
[04:20] jesusabdullah: I like to spell it with an 8
[04:20] jesusabdullah: st8
[04:20] jamescarr: isaacs, it's often the case that I get an html template and convert it to jade ;)
[04:20] isaacs: i see
[04:20] SubStack: jesusabdullah: ANARCHIST
[04:20] isaacs: i use ejs, because i grew up with asp and php
[04:21] Aria: jesusabdullah: That makes me think "Stacht"
[04:21] isaacs: i like just shoving sticky globs of code right into my html
[04:21] isaacs: with extra angle braces
[04:21] TheEmpath: although i am experimenting with "traits"
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[04:21] Aria: I like my HTML to be HTML.
[04:22] Aria: I wish  it wasn't so expensive to create and serialize a DOM
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[04:22] devaholic: isaacs: are you being ironical?
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[04:22] jamescarr: oooh
[04:22] jamescarr: npm -g install html2jade 
[04:22] TheEmpath: lets say you have a shared object with properties that need to exist in the front end and back end... well.. you have the common traits of that object (properties, getter/setters)... when it is on the server, it has server traits (Mongoose methods) and common traits.. and when it is on the client, it has client traits (graphic controls, etc) and common traits
[04:22] isaacs: devaholic: nope.
[04:22] jamescarr: html2jade http://www,.twitter.com > twitter.jade
[04:22] isaacs: devaholic: i mean, i'm kinda being silly
[04:22] TheEmpath: its easy to do with JS as it is prototypical
[04:22] isaacs: devaholic: but i do actually like ejs
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[04:23] TheEmpath: but it requires an MVC+Sharing sort of thinking
[04:23] devaholic: isaacs: i like ejs for similar reasons
[04:23] TheEmpath: the good news is that the client literally downloads the same JS the server would use
[04:23] TheEmpath: and it runs it on the client for client needs
[04:23] devaholic: isaacs: html being html is one thing, but also because working on the front end, then the backend, then back again, sometimes a nasty blob of code is actually efficient
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[04:24] isaacs: devaholic: it's clearer what html comes out of it.  i've been writing html for 17 years.  i know it well.
[04:24] TheEmpath: so you only write models once and you write them for all contexts
[04:24] devaholic: yeh
[04:24] TheEmpath: im still formalizing it, but i think it will be spiffty
[04:25] isaacs: html is like the javascript of template languages.  not great, or even good, really, but it's what we've got.
[04:26] HelloWorld: how to send jquery commands from nodejs to client browser?
[04:26] perlmonkey2: Anyone messed with the DailyJS nodepad example? I can't figure out why it writes its session to the dbs.dev. It should be nodepad-development.
[04:26] isaacs: HelloWorld: use ajax
[04:27] HelloWorld: ajax though websocket?
[04:27] HelloWorld: socket.io
[04:27] isaacs: HelloWorld: sure, that works, too
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[04:27] HelloWorld: how can i do it? ive been trying to send json though to the client but the browser reads it as normal text
[04:27] HelloWorld: not as object
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[04:28] isaacs: HelloWorld: try using JSON.parse on it
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[04:29] HelloWorld: do i have to install/require something for that?
[04:29] devaholic: no
[04:29] rhdoenges: nope
[04:29] TheEmpath: no
[04:29] TheEmpath: yes
[04:29] TheEmpath: i mean no
[04:29] devaholic: nein nein nein
[04:29] jerrysv: good evening #node.js
[04:31] tmpvar: yo
[04:31] jerrysv: you're up late
[04:31] konobi: ha... todays xkcd is awesome
[04:31] tmpvar: jerrysv, im in az ;)
[04:31] jerrysv: tmpvar: wow, ever the traveler :)
[04:31] tmpvar: im here for a few months 
[04:32] jerrysv: tmpvar: just a warning, it hasn't gotten up above 80F here all year, so dress warm
[04:32] tmpvar: hacking on jsdom and other various oss and $$ adventures
[04:32] jerrysv: nice
[04:32] jerrysv: where in az?
[04:32] tmpvar: northern, up in the mountains
[04:32] tmpvar: (its pretty mild up here)
[04:33] jerrysv: to be fair, i've only ever flown through az
[04:33] jerrysv: so it's all ... um ... warm to me
[04:33] tmpvar: haha..
[04:34] konobi: hhhmmm... no node js meetup groups in hawaii... *le sigh*
[04:34] tmpvar: start one up!
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[04:35] konobi: well, i'm only there for a week, so it wouldn't make much sense
[04:35] tmpvar: well, you should hit up the local talent  :)
[04:35] Lorentz: How many noders would be in hawaii though
[04:35] tmpvar: hrrrm
[04:36] SubStack: matt ranney is in hawaii now
[04:36] SubStack: I guess it depends on what island
[04:36] konobi: maui
[04:36] tmpvar: oh, nice
[04:36] tmpvar: east or west side of the island?
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[04:37] konobi: tmpvar: um... west i think
[04:38] tmpvar: awesome, <3 maui
[04:38] igl: something special about the meet up to get the boss to pay? ^^
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[04:40] jerrysv: i <3 maui
[04:40] jerrysv: one of these days i will retire there
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[04:41] jerrysv: near kanapoli
[04:41] jerrysv: near maui brewing
[04:41] jerrysv: konobi: how far from maui brewing?
[04:41] tmpvar: yeah, i had a great time when i went
[04:41] secoif: SubStack is there a way to get browserify to watch a directory?
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[04:41] jerrysv: laurie went for the first time when she went with me
[04:42] secoif: as in, if I have a whole bunch of files, I don't want to have to add them one by one to the commandline util
[04:42] jerrysv: since she's from that other coast, they rarely vacation there
[04:42] SubStack: secoif: { watch : true }
[04:42] secoif: :D
[04:42] tmpvar: jerrysv, ah
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[04:43] jerrysv: tmpvar: we are blessed here when it comes to hawaii, but i've never been to the hamptons, so ...
[04:43] jerrysv: direct flights :)
[04:43] tmpvar: niice
[04:43] devaholic: ok, who wants to bring me to hawaii?
[04:43] jerrysv: devaholic: where do you live?
[04:43] tmpvar: lol
[04:44] jerrysv: devaholic: and are you a good developer, and an awesome girlfriend?
[04:44] tmpvar: lmfao
[04:44] tmpvar: ill take one
[04:45] jerrysv: i've got both, i am spoiled
[04:45] secoif: SubStack: $ browserify ./scripts {watch: true}
[04:45] secoif: Error: EISDIR, Is a directory
[04:45] secoif: D:
[04:46] devaholic: o.o
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[04:51] secoif: SubStack are there any examples/tests using the cmdline tool?
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[04:51] SubStack: there is no watch for the command line tool
[04:52] secoif: :(
[04:52] secoif: hrm
[04:52] SubStack: just use the middleware
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[04:52] secoif: I guess I could boot node up
[04:52] secoif: yeah cool
[04:52] secoif: SubStack you may interpret that as a feature request
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[04:52] secoif: :D
[04:53] jerrysv: oh yeah, i was writing mocks
[04:53] jesusabdullah: It doesn't really make sense to have the code you're shipping to the browser have the watching that you want on the server side
[04:53] jerrysv: oh, hi jesusabdullah, how's the new gig?
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[04:54] secoif: jesusabdullah I'm trying to watch on the client side
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[04:54] secoif: and just push up the bundle.js
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[05:02] secoif: also, how can i write the bundle out to a file?
[05:02] secoif: arr, sorry to be such a pain SubStack 
[05:03] tmpvar: b.bundle() ?
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[05:04] rhdoenges: is it considered bad form to put a bunch of anonymous functions into an object literal?
[05:04] jesusabdullah: I don't think so..?
[05:04] jesusabdullah: Why would it be?
[05:04] secoif: rhdoenges how are you 'putting' them into an object literal
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[05:04] secoif: surely they have keys
[05:05] secoif: that's pretty standard practice
[05:05] secoif: eg
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[05:06] rhdoenge1: sorry folks, computer died
[05:06] secoif: thing = {prop: 'thang', doStuff: function() {stuff();}, }
[05:06] rhdoenge1: probably out of disgust
[05:06] secoif: et
[05:06] secoif: c
[05:06] tmpvar: or.... module.exports = { my: function() { return "does stuff" } };
[05:06] rhdoenge1: but if the function's pretty long I should just do thing.doStuff = function () { ...several lines... }
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[05:15] secoif: ar
[05:16] secoif: cannot make work without specifying all files somewhere.
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[05:32] chjj: wow, i never saw this
[05:32] chjj: http://groups.google.com/group/v8-dev/browse_thread/thread/a64de3ebf04ede33#
[05:32] chjj: people asking for e4x in v8, no thanks
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[05:35] systemfault: Haha
[05:36] systemfault: Could you please implement a dead standard? PLLZZZZzzz
[05:37] jamescarr: chjj, the mailing list is sadly a lot of noise these days
[05:37] jamescarr: chjj, lots of people requesting silly features to be baked in
[05:37] jesusabdullah: Glad I never subscribed
[05:37] jesusabdullah: wth is e4x?
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[05:37] jamescarr: jesusabdullah, this time last year there was a good signal to noise ratio
[05:38] blkcat: xml, oh lord. :(
[05:38] chrisdickinson: SubStack: I might have stumbled across a node-burrito / node-bunker issue
[05:38] jamescarr: jesusabdullah, these days it's a lot of whining over javascript callbacks, the node.js logo, etc. ;)
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[05:38] systemfault: jesusabdullah: The dead standard that was too ambitious and finally ended up in the garbage
[05:38] jesusabdullah: hmm
[05:39] systemfault: Members of the committee never agreed.
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[05:40] jesusabdullah: ugh, e4x is a terrible idea.
[05:40] systemfault: Since people never seem to learn from the past, we might see the same thing with Harmony
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[05:40] SubStack: chrisdickinson: well I wrote bunker in an evening so I doubt it's very reliable
[05:40] secoif: e4x is awful. 
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[05:41] SubStack: and it only has 1 test
[05:41] chrisdickinson: SubStack: Actually, I think it's burrito -- I turned off all wrapping in bunker
[05:41] chrisdickinson: ...yep!
[05:42] chrisdickinson: SubStack: https://gist.github.com/bd46593b9597a5a8ef96 the top line is the original JS, the bottom line is the burrito-fied JS.
[05:45] SubStack: chrisdickinson: do node.wrap('[%s][0]')
[05:45] SubStack: uglify removes the parens because it things they're extraneous
[05:45] chrisdickinson: But they're not actually extraneous in this case, apparently.
[05:45] devaholic: 
ACTION slaps mikeal around a bit with a large trout

[05:46] mikeal: haha
[05:46] SubStack: yes but the context has been removed
[05:46] mikeal: haven't sene that in years
[05:46] jerrysv: trout
[05:46] jerrysv: ?
[05:46] devaholic: i think now one everyone is getting that that replies to that thread 
[05:46] jesusabdullah: jerrysv: It's an old alias that comes with mirc
[05:46] devaholic: xD
[05:47] mikeal: proves we have windows people in the channel now :)
[05:47] jerrysv: aha. sorry, mirc is well past my previous irc experiance
[05:47] chrisdickinson: SubStack: at the very least, maybe the `node.wrap('[%s][0]')` belongs in bunker?
[05:47] devaholic: what
[05:47] devaholic: what what what
[05:47] devaholic: i dont develop node.js for windows
[05:48] SubStack: chrisdickinson: I thought you disabled bunker?
[05:48] chrisdickinson: SubStack: I disabled all node wrapping in bunker, but I'm still compiling it via bunker.
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[05:49] devaholic: but i do use xp for all my communication stuff for some reason
[05:49] devaholic: and for testing
[05:49] devaholic: well for obvious reasons
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[05:50] jerrysv: sleep calls. night folks
[05:50] chrisdickinson: (so basically I'm just passing the source to bunker, who's passing the source to burrito, and handing back the result)
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[05:50] SubStack: chrisdickinson: I still don't have enough context to write a test for burrito
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[05:52] chrisdickinson: SubStack: String + (Ternary Expr) + String
[05:52] chrisdickinson: is transformed into (String + Ternary Condition) ? (True) : (False + String)
[05:52] devaholic:  can i unsubscribe from one thread in google groups?
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[06:01] jamescarr: devaholic, you can mut it
[06:01] jamescarr: mute
[06:02] devaholic: how?
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[06:04] devaholic: jamescarr: please
[06:04] jamescarr: sorry, no idea..
[06:04] jamescarr: I just know its doable
[06:04] devaholic: :((
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[06:06] jklabo: Is there any documentation on binding? process.binding('stdio') for example?
[06:08] mscdex_: jklabo: it's basically used to get at the core C-level addons
[06:09] mscdex_: afaik
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[06:09] jamescarr: this might sound silly, but how do I access the json packet in app.post that is sent by jQuery.post?
[06:09] jamescarr: I'm a little lost
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[06:10] jklabo: mscdex_: thanks
[06:11] mscdex: the stuff in src/
[06:11] CIA-107: libuv: 03Igor Zinkovsky 07pipes * r918cea0 10/ (11 files in 3 dirs): Windows: make uv_pipe_bind fail for the pipe name already in-use. Also add uv_pipe_bind tests. (+19 more commits...) - https://github.com/joyent/libuv/commit/918cea0ca80e09ae0ccc0532d9caaa0033500854
[06:11] devaholic: jamescarr
[06:11] devaholic: req.body?
[06:11] jamescarr: it is undefined
[06:11] devaholic: do you have bodyparser
[06:11] mscdex: i was about to ask the same thing :-)
[06:12] mscdex: app.use(express.bodyParser()) or something
[06:12] jamescarr: yes I do
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[06:13] devaholic: is it the only express route?
[06:14] mscdex: question: don't you need coffeescript installed to use .coffee modules with plain js?
[06:14] jamescarr: oh
[06:14] jamescarr: this scoping
[06:14] jamescarr: on the client side
[06:14] mscdex: or at least to compile it first to js?
[06:14] jamescarr: 
ACTION facepalm

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[06:15] jamescarr: mscdex, they always seem to work fine 
[06:15] jamescarr: out of the box
[06:15] devaholic: i dont use coffeescript mscdex
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[06:15] jamescarr: mscdex, I was using a module for quite sometime and learned only recently it was written in coffeescript
[06:15] mscdex: yeah but i mean you can't just require() a .coffee from js
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[06:15] mscdex: right?
[06:15] jamescarr: thats right...
[06:16] mscdex: on the pdfkit they claim that the lib can be used from "plain ol' javascript", but it's a coffeescript project
[06:16] mscdex: :S
[06:16] mscdex: s/pdfkit/pdfkit readme/
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[06:17] jesusabdullah: mscdex: You kinda can
[06:17] chrisdickinson: mscdex: yeah, you can
[06:17] mscdex: how?
[06:17] chrisdickinson: require('coffee-script'); require('coffeescriptlibrary');
[06:18] chrisdickinson: it registers an extension ('.coffee') with the node.js require function
[06:18] mscdex: right, so you DO need coffeescript installed
[06:18] jesusabdullah: Yeah, you do, but you can USE it from javascript
[06:18] mscdex: blargh
[06:18] jesusabdullah: and it's only an npm install away
[06:18] chrisdickinson: mscdex: if they've laid out their library correctly, you should never even know
[06:18] mscdex: 
ACTION shakes a fist at coffeescript

[06:19] chrisdickinson: mscdex: what's the problem with just npm installing it?
[06:19] jesusabdullah: so, you can npm install cslib, and because of cslib's package.json it'll automagically install coffeescript for you
[06:19] mscdex: i don't use npm
[06:19] jesusabdullah: Why not? It's totally handy
[06:19] mscdex: i don't deal with packages that often
[06:19] jesusabdullah: it facilitates hella code reuse, it even locally installs things
[06:20] jesusabdullah: handles versioning
[06:20] chrisdickinson: cures leprosy.
[06:20] jesusabdullah: That too!
[06:20] mscdex: that might be true, but i can just as easily drop dependencies into ./node_modules
[06:20] mscdex: or whatever it's called nowadays
[06:20] jesusabdullah: but npm will do that *for* you!
[06:20] jesusabdullah: that's the best part!
[06:20] jesusabdullah: as of version 1.0 there aren't any shims!
[06:20] mscdex: i've been burned by npm in the past :p
[06:21] jesusabdullah: Probably pre-1.0
[06:21] mscdex: yeah
[06:21] jesusabdullah: it was rewritten
[06:21] jesusabdullah: fo'srs, give it a go again
[06:21] jesusabdullah: it got better
[06:21] chrisdickinson: 
ACTION seconds this

[06:21] mscdex: heh that reminds me of that line from monty python and the holy grail
[06:21] mscdex: "i got better"
[06:22] mscdex: she turned me into a newt!
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[06:22] jesusabdullah: indeed
[06:22] te-brian: Hey.. when cluster gives you "Cluster detected over 20 worker deaths in the first" what is the best way to figure out what the "serious issue" is?
[06:23] mscdex: i'm sure compiling this whole project to js would be just as ugly
[06:23] mscdex: :\
[06:23] mscdex: oh well, as long as it works
[06:23] mscdex: and i don't have to debug it :-)
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[06:45] CIA-107: libuv: 03Igor Zinkovsky 07pipes * r9a68165 10/ (include/uv-win.h src/win/pipe.c): allow pipe name to be in utf8 for uv_pipe_bind and uv_pipe_connect - https://github.com/joyent/libuv/commit/9a68165c625c31a597dad3016ff7e821c46f4802
[06:46] te-brian: Is there any way to get cluster to play along with node-inspector?
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[06:54] AAA_awright: python 2.7 should work to build Node right?
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[06:54] AAA_awright: ... Why is Node still using python anyways?
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[06:56] mscdex: AAA_awright: there's also cmake
[06:56] mscdex: AAA_awright: but yes, 2.7 should work too
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[06:57] brainproxy: anyway to not have npm recursively install devDependencies when running npm install with --dev ?
[06:58] konobi: npm install ?
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[06:59] Nuck: Anyone here a fan of Animal Collective?
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[07:03] brainproxy: konobi: right, i mean like `npm install mypkg --dev`
[07:04] AAA_awright: cmake is giving me "CMake Error at cmake/libc-ares.cmake:16 (add_subdirectory): add_subdirectory given source "deps/c-ares" which is not an existing directory." among other errors
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[07:09] konobi: brainproxy: just drop the --dev part?
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[07:10] brainproxy: konobi: I want the devdepencies though
[07:10] brainproxy: but just one layer deep
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[07:10] brainproxy: iow, the ones listed in package.json for the pkg I'm installing w/ npm install
[07:11] brainproxy: but not the devdependencies for its dependencies
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[07:11] konobi: brainproxy: ah
[07:12] konobi: brainproxy: a question for isaacs
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[07:26] ryah: please test if you can http://nodejs.org/dist/node-v0.4.10.tar.gz
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[07:30] konobi: ryah: did you set me up with chanserv?
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[07:32] jetienne: ryah: no git tag yet ?
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[07:33] faLUCE: Hi. I'm inside the directory "demo" of project ace.  In this directory, I created foo.js, which contains only this line;    "var editor = require('../lib/ace');"   . Now, if I invoke this script with nod r.js foo.js I obtain this error:   
[07:33] faLUCE: [09:28] <faLUCE> Error: Error evaluating module "../lib/ace" at location "./../lib/ace.js":
[07:33] faLUCE: [09:28] <faLUCE> Error: Calling node's require("../lib/ace") failed with error: Error: Cannot find module '../lib/ace'
[07:33] faLUCE: [09:28] <faLUCE> how can I solve?
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[07:33] konobi: ./
[07:34] jetienne: faLUCE: put the proper path
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[07:35] faLUCE: konobi: the path is ok. In ../lib/ace there's ace.js
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[07:35] ryah: jetienne: not released yet
[07:35] konobi: ryah: oh right
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[07:36] faLUCE: any idea?
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[07:37] jetienne: faLUCE: yeah :) find the proper path
[07:37] jetienne: faLUCE: it is simple, this is not node which cant open the file
[07:37] CIA-107: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07v0.4 * r1b8dd65 10/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Bump version to v0.4.10 - https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/1b8dd65d6e3b82b6863ef38835cc436c5d30c1d5
[07:37] CIA-107: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07v0.4 * reffc446 10/ src/node_version.h : Now working on v0.4.11 - https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/effc4469d00f53c0ce4057d385a968093db3d645
[07:37] jetienne: faLUCE: it is the file which isnt there
[07:38] faLUCE: jetienne: I don't understand, sorry
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[07:39] faLUCE: jetienne: ah, ok: ..lib/ace/ace
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[07:48] bosky101: hi, Model.isNew() says that it will return true as long as no id is present. so i was able to Model.save() and POST. but .isNew() still says true since it still doesnt not have an id. 
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[07:48] bosky101: whats the normal way of binding a saved model to a id after a POST is complete ?
[07:49] chjj: i kinda like the node logos this cayasso guy added to the wiki
[07:49] chjj: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Logos
[07:49] chjj: right in the middle of the page
[07:50] jetienne: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-SqqudfU2TAU/TiZsxURICJI/AAAAAAAAALk/-7WuVBrCL_o/nodejs1.png
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[07:50] jetienne: i like this one because it is readable
[07:50] mape: looks nice
[07:50] chjj: yeah
[07:50] chjj: very simple and elegant imo
[07:50] mape: doesn't really matter though
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[07:51] chjj: mape, dont interrupt our bikeshedding
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[07:51] mape: not like php's logo was the key to their success
[07:51] chjj: you bastard
[07:51] chjj: who knows, it could have been
[07:51] mape: 
ACTION flips chjj over

[07:51] chjj: maybe it hypnotized people
[07:52] jetienne: silly management :)
[07:52] jetienne: the stamp is cool too
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[07:55] jetienne: ok going back to being productive
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[07:58] felixge: isaacs: ping, added another comment
[07:58] isaacs: kewl
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[07:59] isaacs: you mean it should save the URL, rather than the version?
[07:59] felixge: isaacs: yeah, of course
[07:59] isaacs: hm...
[07:59] felixge: otherwise it's the wrong dependency, no?
[08:00] isaacs: well, i guess.. if it's not published.  you could also list it as a bundled dependency, then it won't have to go to the registry, but that's annoying in its own ways..
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[08:01] felixge: I don't want to bundle 
[08:01] felixge: if possible
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[08:02] isaacs: right
[08:02] isaacs: yeah, that's a pita.
[08:02] isaacs: (i know)
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[08:02] felixge: Anyway, I tried to supply a patch for this, but install.js has some tricky parts :)
[08:02] isaacs: yeah, maybe it should work that way
[08:02] felixge: I did send a patch for another low hanging fruit so
[08:02] isaacs: yeah, it gets a little deep.
[08:02] felixge: https://github.com/isaacs/npm/pull/1165
[08:03] felixge: what do you think about that one?
[08:03] isaacs: well, it *will* only allow changes in the minor version.
[08:03] isaacs: i think without ~, people will just shove >= in there
[08:04] isaacs: i think that referencing the url would be better than the version, though, your'e right
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[08:05] isaacs: if you're installing via a url,you probably want that.  that's a valid bug, for sure.
[08:05] isaacs: the only tricky thing is that i need to pass through the original arg that's used to install something.
[08:05] felixge: isaacs: yeah. my pull request is not related to that
[08:05] isaacs: i could see how that could be useful in other situations, thoguh
[08:05] felixge: it's for installing packages from the registry
[08:06] felixge: isaacs: yeah
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[08:06] felixge: > well, it *will* only allow changes in the minor version.
[08:06] felixge: that's bad
[08:06] isaacs: sorry, patch
[08:06] felixge: my 0.0.1 - 0.0.9 modules change really quickly
[08:06] isaacs: 3rd one
[08:06] isaacs: righ
[08:06] felixge: I think the patch is in line with the spirit of semver
[08:07] isaacs: yeah, really, you're not "supposed" to change the API wiht any "z" change in x.y.z
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[08:07] isaacs: but also, accdng to semver, anything goes in 0.0.x
[08:07] isaacs: so you also shouldn't have a 0.0.x as a dep ;)
[08:08] felixge: isaacs: ... : )
[08:08] isaacs: but yeah, i guess, no tilde on 0.0 is probably ok.  i certainly want it for 0.(>=1).x
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[08:08] brainproxy: isaacs: is it possible to use --dev flag with install such that it doesn't recursively install devDepndencies
[08:08] felixge: isaacs: afaik anything goes in < 1.0.0 in semver?
[08:08] brainproxy: i.e. it only goes one layer deep
[08:09] brainproxy: with devDeps
[08:09] isaacs: yes! i totally wanted that (the --dev for devDeps)
[08:09] isaacs: i came online tonight to implement that one ;)
[08:09] felixge: Major version zero (0.y.z) is for initial development. Anything may change at any time. The public API should not be considered stable.
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[08:10] felixge: isaacs: so if we want to follow semver, 0.x.y versions should be bound directly to the version
[08:10] felixge: not with tilde range descriptor
[08:10] brainproxy: isaacs: okay, well I just noticed tonight when i made connect a devdep for a test harness thing for browser testing and in turn connect devdeps installed giant mounds of stuff
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[08:12] isaacs: felixge: in practice, among most node programs, 0.1 is usually fairly stable until 0.2, but 0.0.1 is not stable with 0.0.2
[08:12] isaacs: that's been my experience anyway
[08:12] isaacs: i think mostly following ryan's lead with node, actually
[08:13] isaacs: 1.0.0 is considered the first "done" release, but 0.1.1 and 0.1.2 are expected to be at least mostly api-compatible
[08:13] isaacs: but 1.9 and 2.0 are completely different programs
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[08:14] felixge: isaacs: that's not semver
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[08:14] felixge: that's people afraid of commiting to a 1.0 label
[08:14] isaacs: it's node-semver ;)
[08:14] felixge: ;)
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[08:15] isaacs: semantics are defined by the language community,a nd change over time.
[08:15] isaacs: there's no central authority
[08:15] brainproxy: 
ACTION throws razor sharp hexagons at felixge

[08:15] isaacs: lolz
[08:15] felixge: anyway, if I can't talk you fully into it. At least having exact matching for < 0.1.0 would be nice
[08:15] felixge: brainproxy: : )
[08:15] isaacs: i think that
[08:15] isaacs: that's a good compromise
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[08:16] felixge: 
ACTION swallows the razor sharp hexagons

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[08:16] felixge: cool, :)
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[08:20] tuhoojabotti: hexagons \o
[08:20] JKarsrud: how do you update a node installation ?
[08:21] Clex: With my package manager.
[08:21] whitman: JKarsrud, depends on how it was installed originally.
[08:21] brainproxy: JKarsrud: you use nvm and do `nvm install v0.5.x` or whatever :D
[08:21] JKarsrud: hmm, I don't have nvm
[08:21] JKarsrud: :)
[08:21] jesusabdullah: I download and install it again
[08:22] isaacs: felixge: whoa, is that your first npm patch?
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[08:22] felixge: isaacs: it sure is
[08:22] isaacs: thanks!
[08:22] felixge: and as you can see, I tried to sneak in a semicolon right away!
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[08:22] felixge: (sorry about that, I only realized after submitting)
[08:23] felixge: let me know if you want me to modify the patch
[08:23] felixge: and do the < 0.1.x thing
[08:23] isaacs: nah, i just did it
[08:23] JKarsrud: whitman: I just downloaded the source and built it? :)
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[08:28] whitman: JKarsrud, in that case, redownload, rebuild, reinstall
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[08:28] JKarsrud: aight, cool :)
[08:29] brainproxy: hmm, when I do npm ls, one of the module's deps has "invalid" in red next to it, but when installed w/ -d I'm not seeing any errors
[08:29] brainproxy: anyway I can get better visibility into why it's "invalid" ?
[08:29] isaacs: brainproxy: it means that the thing depending on it depends on a different version that's installed, or it's not a package, or has bad json
[08:30] isaacs: any warnings when you npm ls?  like "xyz depends on abc version 2.1.3 but will get 2.0.8"
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[08:32] JKarsrud: whitman: ah, lol. On this mac I have 0.5.0-pre
[08:32] brainproxy: isaacs: no warning
[08:33] brainproxy: and if i go to the dep in node_modules/mod/node_moudle/<flagged as invalid>
[08:34] brainproxy: err typo
[08:34] brainproxy: but anyway, it's all there, looks happy
[08:34] brainproxy: postinstall ran fine
[08:34] isaacs: gist the things, please.
[08:34] isaacs: the ls output
[08:34] brainproxy: isaacs: https://gist.github.com/1094580
[08:35] brainproxy: isaacs: if you want, I can point you to the tarball, which is up on my server
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[08:35] isaacs: brainproxy: what's the dependencies in joosex-meta-lazy-jsanfix look like?
[08:35] isaacs: or just the package.json
[08:36] brainproxy: https://gist.github.com/1094581
[08:36] brainproxy: refresh, loaded it w/ whole thing, which isn't too long
[08:37] brainproxy: whole package.json i mean
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[08:37] isaacs: i see, yeah, so url deps look invalid.  what's `npm -v` output?
[08:37] brainproxy: 1.0.15
[08:37] brainproxy: okay, maybe I read the docs wrong
[08:37] isaacs: hm.  i thought that was fixed.
[08:38] isaacs: if the bug's still in 1.0.17, post an issue
[08:38] isaacs: it should let anything fly if it's a url dep
[08:38] brainproxy: ^ you said "invalid"
[08:38] brainproxy: you mean valid?
[08:39] brainproxy: sorry, this is kind of a mish-mash, I was hacking on someone else's pkg
[08:39] brainproxy: maybe the package.json isn't fully conformant, it was crafted pre 1.0, and I didn't change most of it
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[08:40] isaacs: brainproxy: i mean, they should be valid,but it seems like they're looking invalid.
[08:40] isaacs: incorrectly
[08:40] brainproxy: ah gotcha
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[08:46] brainproxy: my cat has learned the proper sequence of buttons on my copier/printer thing to print its demo page :-p
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[08:46] brainproxy: sheesh, maybe I can teach him to help me with my node scripts
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[08:59] alexhq: Any idea how to get real data size transferred by node http client or transferred to node http server?
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[09:35] Viehzeug: can someone help me with JSON.parse.. i really don't get it's behavior now ..
[09:35] secoif: what doesn't you get
[09:36] secoif: Viehzeug.
[09:36] tuhoojabotti: JSON mentioned!
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[09:36] tuhoojabotti: Viehzeug: What is your problem?
[09:36] tuhoojabotti: :D
[09:36] SubStack: hey lookit: https://github.com/substack/jsup
[09:36] devaholic: probrem mentioned?
[09:37] SubStack: Viehzeug: JSON.parse() is just like eval() but only for data
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[09:39] SubStack: isaacs: I am now taking all the low-hanging AST-related npmfruit
[09:39] isaacs: SubStack: nice
[09:39] Viehzeug: tuhoojabotti well.. i'm just writing vows tests for my rest application.. the rest server does nothing but calling JSON.stringify(something)+'\n' and writes it to the response
[09:39] SubStack: so many modules you can write when you can just slice and dice the AST
[09:40] Viehzeug: tuhoojabotti hoever when i read the response and use JSON.parse, it will parse it as a string
[09:40] tuhoojabotti: wot
[09:40] tuhoojabotti: JSON.parse parsing a string? How is that a problem?
[09:40] devaholic: npmfruit lol
[09:40] secoif: what do you mean 'parse it as a string'
[09:40] secoif: as it returns a string, or it reads a string
[09:41] devaholic: JSON.parse doesnt return a string
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[09:41] secoif: Viehzeug are you sure you've actually got JSON data
[09:41] secoif: as in
[09:41] secoif: formatted correct.
[09:41] noderfs: Hi, does anyone know when the ubuntu packages get updated to the 0.4.10 version?
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[09:42] Viehzeug: for example: when i feed it {"date":"2011-07-20T08:24:46Z"} it parses it to "{\"date\":\"2011-07-20T08:32:43Z\"}"
[09:42] tuhoojabotti: Shouldn't JSON.parse return an object?
[09:42] tuhoojabotti: Aah
[09:42] Viehzeug: (even when i repace the " with #)
[09:42] Viehzeug: (even when i repace the " with ' *)
[09:43] secoif: noderfs no idea but you could easily compile it yourself
[09:43] Viehzeug: tuhoojabotti when i replace " with ' the result for parse is "{'date':'2011-07-20T08:24:46Z'}"
[09:43] noderfs: This is the version in the package: 0.4.9-1chl1~natty1
[09:44] tuhoojabotti: Viehzeug: Well that's incorrect json anyways.
[09:44] noderfs: is there a big difference with 0.4.10?
[09:44] tuhoojabotti: .. JSON.parse('{"date":"2011-07-20T08:24:46Z"}');
[09:44] catb0t: { date: 03'2011-07-20T08:24:46Z' }
[09:44] tuhoojabotti: works
[09:44] secoif: works for me also
[09:44] TheJH: Viehzeug, sounds weird. maybe you're double-decoding the JSON or so?
[09:44] tuhoojabotti: Yeah
[09:44] tuhoojabotti: Sounds like that.
[09:45] secoif: double decoding or double encoding?
[09:45] tuhoojabotti: secoif: Double it all!
[09:45] tuhoojabotti: ;)
[09:45] TheJH: Viehzeug, could you paste some of the surrounding code somewhere?
[09:46] TheJH: secoif, right, looks more like double encoding
[09:46] tuhoojabotti: Yeah.
[09:46] TheJH: Viehzeug, some of the code that creates the JSON
[09:46] Viehzeug: TheJH tuhoojabotti that could be a point..
[09:46] tuhoojabotti: http://youtu.be/QtKs1m_SQgg
[09:46] tuhoojabotti: ":D"
[09:47] tuhoojabotti: I'm sorry, I just got my morning coffee.
[09:47] secoif: for a moment I thought youtube had launched a pastebin-like service
[09:47] tuhoojabotti: :D
[09:47] secoif: or perhaps he'd pasted code in a youtube comment
[09:48] tuhoojabotti: No it's just a vid.
[09:48] TheJH: that would have been funny
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[09:49] Viehzeug: tuhoojabotti TheJH http://pastebin.com/17XaJTKt (most of the vows tests are placeholders now) (gonna get the code which creates the JSON)
[09:50] secoif: Viehzeug and where is the issue?
[09:50] secoif: 'returns valid JSON' ?
[09:51] Viehzeug:   /time
[09:51] Viehzeug:     ✗ returns valid JSON
[09:51] Viehzeug:       » An unexpected error was caught: "{\"date\":\"2011-07-20T08:32:43Z\"}"
[09:51] secoif: can you also paste /time?
[09:51] Viehzeug:       writeData(req, res, JSON.stringify({
[09:51] Viehzeug:         'date' : (dateFormat(date, "isoDateTime", true) + 'Z')
[09:51] Viehzeug:       }));
[09:51] isaacs: SubStack: meanwhile, i'm splitting out npm's guts in tiny pieces.
[09:51] Viehzeug: (writeData is just a wrapper for response.end())
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[09:52] isaacs: SubStack: tried to get "find" out tonight, but too many other things in the way
[09:52] tuhoojabotti: Viehzeug: console.log that?
[09:52] SubStack: splitting things up is the best thing ever
[09:52] tuhoojabotti: :D
[09:52] isaacs: yeah
[09:53] isaacs: my goal is to have no general-purpose stuff in npm at all
[09:53] isaacs: 100% npm-related.
[09:53] TheJH: Viehzeug, sure that writeData doesn't do JSON.stringify, too?
[09:53] tuhoojabotti: npm install npm
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[09:53] tuhoojabotti: Yeah
[09:53] TheJH: Viehzeug, you don't have PHP somewhere in between, right?
[09:53] tuhoojabotti: Functions are _never_ just wrappers. :D
[09:54] Viehzeug: nope
[09:54] tuhoojabotti: They're burrits.
[09:54] tuhoojabotti: burritos*
[09:54] Viehzeug: tuhoojabotti wrapper :P
[09:54] Viehzeug: writeData = function(req, res, data) {
[09:54] Viehzeug:   logger.trace('Sending HTTP 200');
[09:54] Viehzeug:   if (res.isOpen) {
[09:54] Viehzeug:     res.writeHead(200, {
[09:54] Viehzeug:       'content-type' : 'application/json'
[09:54] Viehzeug:     });
[09:54] Viehzeug:     res.isOpen = false;
[09:54] Viehzeug:     res.end(data+'\n');
[09:54] Viehzeug:   } else {
[09:54] Viehzeug:     logger.warn('Trying to end closed response');
[09:54] Viehzeug:   }
[09:54] Viehzeug: };
[09:54] tuhoojabotti: asd
[09:54] tuhoojabotti: Viehzeug: Learn to use pastebin more, thanks.
[09:54] TheJH: Viehzeug, please use pastebin for that :/
[09:55] SubStack: gist ftw
[09:55] tuhoojabotti: Everything over 3 lines.
[09:55] tuhoojabotti: SubStack: Gist is a pastebin. <:P
[09:55] tuhoojabotti: ...and more!
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[09:56] secoif: Viehzeug have you done a console.log on 'topic' before it's parsed?
[09:56] tuhoojabotti: console.log everywhere ftw.
[09:57] TheJH: tuhoojabotti +1
[09:57] tuhoojabotti: TheJH: No it's tuhoojabotti++
[09:57] tuhoojabotti: :3
[09:57] TheJH: tuhoojabotti, ah, yes, v8bot uses that, right?
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[09:57] tuhoojabotti: TheJH: Well v8bot isn't here anymore, but we have catb0t
[09:58] tuhoojabotti: :P
[09:58] TheJH: well then...
[09:58] TheJH: tuhoojabotti++
[09:58] catb0t: tuhoojabotti now has 1 beer
[09:58] tuhoojabotti: :)
[09:59] secoif: hrm
[09:59] tuhoojabotti: They should change to tha coffee though.
[09:59] tuhoojabotti: that to*
[10:00] tuhoojabotti: :D
[10:00] tuhoojabotti: I need coffee more than beer.
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[10:01] Viehzeug: secoif yeah {"date":"2011-07-20T08:24:46Z"}
[10:01] Clex: What should I use to make my node webapp available in 2 or 3 languages?
[10:01] tuhoojabotti: Viehzeug: How does it look like just before JSON.parse?
[10:01] tuhoojabotti: Same?
[10:02] secoif: Viehzeug is it possible it's already an object
[10:03] secoif: ie
[10:03] secoif: topic.date
[10:03] secoif: works sans JSON.parse?
[10:04] Viehzeug: tuhoojabotti {"date":"2011-07-20T08:24:46Z"}
[10:04] tuhoojabotti: That looks like an object :D
[10:05] tuhoojabotti: Hmm
[10:05] Viehzeug: tuhoojabotti gonna make a typeof test
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[10:06] tuhoojabotti: Yes, it could be useful.
[10:06] Viehzeug: tuhoojabotti typeof says string
[10:06] TheJH: maybe it would be possible to create a "dev-warnings" module that messes with functions like JSON.parse and JSON.stringify and issues warnings?
[10:07] TheJH: (that is, when input types are wrong or so)
[10:07] secoif: that sounds handy
[10:07] TheJH: maybe I'll try that later today
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[10:11] Viehzeug: tuhoojabotti secoif  TheJH if i run JSON.parse('{"date":"2011-07-20T08:32:43Z"}') in an plain nodejs shell it parses correctly
[10:11] tuhoojabotti: obviously.
[10:11] tuhoojabotti: as I demonstrated before.
[10:11] tuhoojabotti: :D
[10:11] TheJH: Viehzeug, would be a surprise if not
[10:12] secoif: Viehzeug did you try just topic.date?
[10:12] Viehzeug: tuhoojabotti sorry.. was a bit distracted (have to cook for the company today :D)
[10:12] TheJH: I'll write that module now.
[10:12] tuhoojabotti: secoif: typeof returned string so..
[10:12] secoif: I know, but, it, looks like an object.
[10:13] Viehzeug: maybe some encoding foo with the http body?
[10:13] secoif: ahh
[10:13] secoif: that is possible
[10:13] tuhoojabotti: Yeah.
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[10:14] Viehzeug: already converted it to a utf-8 buffer.. looks proper..
[10:14] secoif: gah, quarter past 8 and still at work, i gtg
[10:14] tuhoojabotti: hihi
[10:14] secoif: seeya
[10:14] tuhoojabotti: bye
[10:14] Viehzeug: secoif bye
[10:14] Viehzeug: secoif thanks
[10:14] secoif: np
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[10:19] Viehzeug: tuhoojabotti TheJH eval() can parse it correctly
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[10:19] tuhoojabotti: :E
[10:20] TheJH: Viehzeug, what does "console.log(typeof topic)" in your test say?
[10:21] tuhoojabotti: TheJH: Well he said it returned string.
[10:21] tuhoojabotti: But dunno.
[10:21] TheJH: ah, ok, then I didn't see that
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[10:28] Viehzeug: tuhoojabotti TheJH http://pastebin.com/p5npTBiv works o_O (and typeof gives string.. as mentioned before)
[10:28] tuhoojabotti: Hmm
[10:29] tuhoojabotti: Viehzeug: You sure you get all the data on the first chunk?
[10:29] tuhoojabotti: usually you save all the chunks and then do stuff.
[10:29] TheJH: Viehzeug, what do "console.log(chunk[0])" and "console.log(chunk[chunk.length-1])" say
[10:29] tuhoojabotti: afaik
[10:29] TheJH: ?
[10:29] TheJH: ah, right, that is a bug, tuhoojabotti
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[10:30] tuhoojabotti: TheJH: ?
[10:30] TheJH: tuhoojabotti, that he just takes the first chunk
[10:30] tuhoojabotti: Yeah.
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[10:31] tuhoojabotti: Viehzeug: on data you do chunk += chunk and then on end (or something) you call your callback.
[10:31] Viehzeug: tuhoojabotti just rewriting it that way
[10:31] tuhoojabotti: :)
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[10:32] TheJH: Viehzeug, there also are npm modules for that
[10:32] tuhoojabotti: Yeah.
[10:32] tuhoojabotti: But who wouldn't love re-inventing the wheel? (I sure do.)
[10:33] tuhoojabotti: I guess I should work myself, but here I am slacking in irc
[10:33] tuhoojabotti: be working*
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[10:33] TheJH: Viehzeug, but if it is going to be a public-facing service, make sure that you check for someone who just floods you with "a" until your RAM is full
[10:34] tuhoojabotti: :D
[10:34] collypops: hey everyone
[10:34] tuhoojabotti: My server used to crash if you hold F5 down. :P
[10:34] tuhoojabotti: collypops: Hello!
[10:34] Viehzeug: TheJH no, this's is just a test :D the server itself is written more stable (hopefully)
[10:34] tuhoojabotti: Test servers in production \o/
[10:34] tuhoojabotti: (that's why my site is still under the dev. -subdomain :D)
[10:35] collypops: if you could summarise the difference between 0.4.10 and 0.5.1 in a sentence, what would it be?
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[10:35] tuhoojabotti: http://dev.tuhoojabotti.com that is :P
[10:35] tuhoojabotti: collypops: Progress.
[10:35] tuhoojabotti: :D
[10:35] collypops: that's one word!
[10:35] tuhoojabotti: :E
[10:35] tuhoojabotti: Progress!
[10:35] tuhoojabotti: that's a sentence then.
[10:36] Viehzeug: tuhoojabotti TheJH  http://pastebin.com/p1LebSV3 works. -.- sorry for wasting your time guys
[10:36] tuhoojabotti: Viehzeug: Don't worry, I'm at work, no time to waste. ;)
[10:37] tuhoojabotti: Viehzeug: Can you also give the console output for that?
[10:37] collypops: haha
[10:37] Viehzeug: undefined
[10:37] Viehzeug: { date: '2011-07-20T10:37:17Z' }
[10:37] Viehzeug: 2011-07-20T10:37:17Z
[10:38] tuhoojabotti: Yeah, looks okay.
[10:38] tuhoojabotti: Viehzeug: So it's working now?
[10:38] tuhoojabotti: Oh yeah
[10:38] tuhoojabotti: You said that. :D
[10:38] tuhoojabotti: Viehzeug: No problem. :P
[10:39] Viehzeug: tuhoojabottih yeah.. the "undefined" comes from the fact that i still check for chunk (which does not exist at that point anymore)
[10:39] tuhoojabotti: :)
[10:39] tuhoojabotti: Viehzeug: Well I was glad to help. :)
[10:39] tuhoojabotti: But now I'm hungry. :O)
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[10:41] Viehzeug: tuhoojabotti luckly, i was preparing food while finding the bug
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[10:42] Nuck: What bug trackers do you guys suggest?
[10:43] tuhoojabotti: Nuck: Github. :>
[10:43] Nuck: Are there any built on node + Mongo stack?
[10:43] Nuck: I'm too poor to pay for the premium on github to get the nice private projects :P
[10:43] Nuck: Any self-hosted ones?
[10:44] TheJH: Nuck, maybe gitorious?
[10:44] TheJH: Nuck, it's basically github, but less cool features and open source
[10:44] Nuck: I use gitosis for the git repo
[10:44] tuhoojabotti: glitoris, wait, what?
[10:44] Nuck: I must study this gitorius?
[10:45] TheJH: Nuck, I didn't set up one myself, but it seems that you may have a day or so to setup it... may be overkill for you
[10:45] shapeshed: I use gitosis to and self host some git repos
[10:46] shapeshed: it takes a while to setup
[10:46] shapeshed: http://shapeshed.com/journal/setting_up_git_for_multiple_developers/
[10:47] Nuck: TheJH: Gitorious is nonfre D:
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[10:47] Nuck: for a company, at least
[10:47] shapeshed: it you want quick no hassle use github :-)
[10:47] Nuck: or wait
[10:47] Nuck: Nooooo
[10:47] Nuck: They lie?
[10:47] TheJH: oh, what's the license?
[10:47] TheJH: Nuck?
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[10:47] Nuck: They have appliances
[10:47] maushu: I came here to rant.
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[10:48] Nuck: They hide the "DIY" link inline :P
[10:48] maushu: I don't like the new logo or theme.
[10:48] maushu: That is all.
[10:48] Nuck: maushu: We all agree ;)
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[10:49] maushu: On another news, node.exe yay!
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[10:49] shapeshed: there should be a channel for logo rants
[10:50] maushu: I really want a love2d version for node.
[10:50] maushu: I vote to call it sex2d.
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[10:53] maushu: Hmm, funny, love2d source code isn't so bad.
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[11:18] jetienne: where can i find a simple tutorial on how to publish on npm ?
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[11:19] SubStack: jetienne: step 1: npm publish
[11:19] TheJH: jetienne, maybe "npm help publish"?
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[11:19] SubStack: (that is all of the steps)
[11:20] tuhoojabotti: SubStack: No.
[11:20] tuhoojabotti: 1. npm publish 2. ??? 3. profit.
[11:20] chjj: just make sure you have a package.json with a name and a version
[11:20] tuhoojabotti: ;)
[11:20] jetienne: nothing better ?
[11:20] chjj: and make sure the name isnt taken ;)
[11:20] chjj: (note to self: check the npm registry before naming a module again)
[11:20] jetienne: a 5line man with nothing in it :)
[11:21] jetienne: im sure there is a webpage somewhere 
[11:21] jetienne: ok i keep searching
[11:21] TheJH: jetienne, did you already create the package.json?
[11:21] jetienne: TheJH: nope i want to read stuff first to understand
[11:21] TheJH: jetienne, if not, see "npm help json", that's a big manpage
[11:22] jetienne: http://dailyjs.com/2011/02/28/node-tutorial-15/ http://dailyjs.com/2011/05/02/node-tutorial-23/ is what i got currently
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[11:22] mscdex: jetienne: https://github.com/isaacs/npm/blob/master/doc/publish.md
[11:23] mscdex: jetienne: https://github.com/isaacs/npm/blob/master/doc/developers.md
[11:26] jetienne: mscdex: thanks will look
[11:27] TheJH: :(, I can't mess with the JSON object cross-module
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[11:29] jetienne: http://search.npmjs.org/#/flow mouamoua :)
[11:29] jetienne: this guy got the same name as mine for the exact same purpose :)
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[11:31] jetienne: mine is 30line, his is 150line :)
[11:31] jetienne: anybody got an idea of name for a flowcontrol library ?
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[11:31] tuhoojabotti: node-seq?
[11:31] tuhoojabotti: :D
[11:32] jetienne: i copied the API already, i cant copy the name too :)
[11:33] mscdex: :O
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[11:34] SubStack: everybody should write a flow control lib
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[11:34] jetienne: which works in node.js and browser :)
[11:34] jetienne: i wrote it to use my node-seq code in browser
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[11:37] jetienne: and npm publish worked with a glinch
[11:38] jetienne: thanks
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[11:46] jetienne: npm install flowcontrol
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[11:50] jetienne: npm install microevent
[11:50] jetienne: 
ACTION publishes what should have been published long time ago :)

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[11:51] jetienne: btw how come npm doesnt ask for a password ? there is a key somewhere ? 
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[11:51] TheJH: jetienne, yes, in your npm config
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[11:52] jetienne: TheJH: ok thanks. 
[11:54] jetienne: pm WARN Sending authorization over insecure channel. this is kinda scary 
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[11:55] TheJH: jetienne, well, better than silently doing it, right?
[11:55] jetienne: TheJH: true. but even better would be not to do it :)
[11:56] jetienne: TheJH: why not use https or something
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[11:56] TheJH: jetienne, I don't know, ask isaacs
[11:57] jetienne: ok will do
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[11:58] jetienne: npm install shorttag - microlib for template
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[12:01] masylum: hi
[12:02] jetienne: hi masylum
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[12:05] mscdex: isaacs probably doesn't have an https certificate
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[12:06] jetienne: so lets say it is historical, i guess joyent could get one
[12:07] jetienne: 
ACTION refrains a joke on the logo :)

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[12:09] TheJH: what do you think about this? https://github.com/thejh/node-dev-warnings Just do require('dev-warnings') at the top of your main file and it will add some additional debug messages to JSON.parse and JSON.stringify (I'll add more if I find more stuff that you can easily do wrong and won't notice very fast)
[12:10] tuhoojabotti: Looks good.
[12:10] jetienne: TheJH: put README.md with example of such message and why it is usefull
[12:10] tuhoojabotti: Luckily I write perfect code (after all I'm a bot)
[12:10] TheJH: jetienne, will do
[12:10] TheJH: tuhoojabotti, and who wrote you?
[12:10] tuhoojabotti: I wrote myself.
[12:10] tuhoojabotti: o.Ô
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[12:11] jonaslund: TheJH: maybe a way to install additional outputs (or add them temporarily)
[12:12] TheJH: jonaslund, what kinds of aditional outputs? it currently just checks for most-likely-errors and prints them or gives additional advice if parsing fails
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[12:12] tuhoojabotti: TheJH: console.error('WARNING: JSON.stringify was called without arguments'); -> undefined = no args -> not necessarily :P
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[12:13] jonaslund: TheJH: i mean for the warnings to be sent somewhere else than the log
[12:13] TheJH: jonaslund, ah, ok
[12:13] jonaslund: TheJH: f.ex. is the JSON data originates over the wire.. maybe the wire is a better place for the error than the console
[12:14] jetienne: TheJH: the name may be too general too. maybe json-check
[12:14] jetienne: TheJH: with a way to use it without modifying JSON.* stufff
[12:14] TheJH: jetienne, I intend to add more stuff than JSOn
[12:14] TheJH: jetienne, why not?
[12:15] jetienne: TheJH: modifying global stuff is 'dangerous' (c)
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[12:15] jonaslund: i think this is intended for debugging
[12:16] jetienne: jonaslund: yep i understand the interest of non intrusive 
[12:16] jonaslund: but yeah.. maybe if you want an error checking version you should use another api
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[12:16] jetienne: jonaslund: i was going to say that :)
[12:16] jetienne: TheJH: btw just feedback. this is your stuff, you do it as you please :)
[12:19] TheJH: I'll try to keep it simple (as in "just require it, you don't have to do anything more"), but thanks for the suggestions - in a module that's not just intended for debugging, I would probably adapt those suggestions
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[12:19] TheJH: (btw, added a short README)
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[12:23] jetienne: node -e "require('node-dev-warnings')" foobar.js
[12:23] jetienne: this would be cool but apparently -e isnt compatible with foobar.js when i try
[12:24] jetienne: maybe something similar is possible using another way
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[12:27] TheJH: jetienne, I think that there was a discussion about pre-execution-loaded libraries that you can give on the command line, but I think that the proposal was rejected
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[12:28] jetienne: (echo require('node-dev-warnings') && cat foobar.js) | node /dev/stdin ? :)
[12:28] TheJH: jetienne, ouch, that hurts
[12:29] jetienne: yep :)
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[12:45] TheJH: how can I let a module detect whether it's a root module or a submodule?
[12:45] TheJH: because I want to know whether I can mess with the global objects
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[12:45] SubStack: >_<
[12:46] SubStack: TheJH: that sounds very pesky!
[12:46] pigmej: TheJH: just don't define globals?:D
[12:46] jetienne: module.parents no ?
[12:46] SubStack: you can do it though by comparing __filename and process.argv[1] probably
[12:46] TheJH: SubStack, only for debugging purposes: https://github.com/thejh/node-dev-warnings
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[12:48] jetienne: module.parent === null if in root module
[12:48] jetienne: !== null otherwise
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[12:49] jetienne: and next time it is modified you are in bad shape :)https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/lib/module.js#L31
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[12:53] TheJH: jetienne, what if it's undefined?
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[12:53] jetienne: TheJH: dunno :) true that it is possible with the source, but it is null when i displayed it
[12:54] TheCoreh: hey guys, just wondering, does node.js run fine under OS X Lion?
[12:54] jetienne: TheJH: if( module.parent ) console.log("not in root module") is likely better indeed
[12:55] industrial: How do I drop a whole database with mongoose? Not a collection, all collections.
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[13:09] jetienne: q. anybody using closure compiler to check type  ?
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[13:14] neumino: Hi, 
[13:14] neumino: I have a little question
[13:14] neumino: I have a heavy task to do and since node.js is single thread (stop me if I'm mistaken)
[13:15] neumino: It's going to "blocked"
[13:15] TheJH: neumino, that's right
[13:15] neumino: Can I set up two "server" ?
[13:15] neumino: One for heavy tasks
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[13:15] neumino: and one for normal users ?
[13:15] TheJH: neumino, there even are modules for "web workers"
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[13:16] TheJH: neumino, go to http://search.npmjs.org/ and look for "worker" or so
[13:17] neumino: Thank you TheJH 
[13:17] neumino: I'm going to take a look at those workers
[13:17] neumino: : )
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[13:32] clyfe: how do I find out what objects are still listening in my process ?
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[13:32] clyfe: so my tests exit cleanly ?
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[13:33] clyfe: there's something in this file that keeps my tests from exiting https://github.com/ricardobeat/node-polyglot/blob/master/i18n.coffee
[13:33] clyfe: can't find out what it tis ...
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[13:37] TheJH: clyfe, maybe a debug "mirror" will help
[13:38] clyfe: TheJH> what is debug "mirror" ?
[13:39] TheJH: clyfe, run "node --expose_debug_as=debug", a REPL will open.
[13:40] clyfe: TheJH> ok ,thx
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[13:40] TheJH: clyfe, then do mirror=debug.Debug.MakeMirror(require(yourFile))
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[13:43] TheJH: clyfe, then do mirror.referencedBy() and you'll see what keeps it alive
[13:44] clyfe: TheJH> thx a lot
[13:44] TheJH: clyfe, you may want to look at my assert-vanish module
[13:45] TheJH: erm, assertvanish
[13:46] TheJH: it will print kind of a backtrace that shows why an object is still alive
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[13:51] clyfe: TheJH> thx a lot
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[13:53] guydoingstuff: trying to get an older node knockout app going. Getting this error: "throw e; // process.nextTick error, or 'error' event on first tick"
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[13:56] jonaslund: I think you get that when you throw arbitrary objects instead of actual error objects
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[13:56] TheJH: guydoingstuff, no stack trace?
[13:56] jonaslund: f.ex. throw "Error,blabla";
[13:57] jonaslund: instead of throw new Error("problem was xyz");
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[13:58] bnoordhuis: installing cygwin in a windows vm on ubuntu linux
[13:58] bnoordhuis: this is so meta!
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[13:59] guydoingstuff: pretty new to node.js.  I fixed some of the out dated express language.  @TheJH: strace node server.js?
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[13:59] industrial: See line 29 then 92; https://gist.github.com/c5aeec4f24ab56ae6829 ; In my server I am doing a console.log(req.body) with use(connect.bodyParser());
[13:59] industrial: I'm not getting anything, why? I think my request body call is wrong?
[14:00] industrial: if I make a request with a GUI REST client it works fine
[14:00] TheJH: guydoingstuff, no, I just wanted to know whether node spit out a stack trace along with the error message
[14:00] jonaslund: bnoordhuis: now compile qemu under cygwin and run ubuntu linux on that ?
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[14:02] TheJH: industrial, are you calling create['Correct request body'] from outside?
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[14:02] industrial: TheJH: yes, its a nodeunit unit test
[14:03] industrial: I can see the requests happening (two tests, one without/malformed and one with request body)
[14:03] mscdex: guydoingstuff: iirc you generally get that error when an async function throws
[14:03] industrial: but no body on the server log
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[14:05] industrial: TheJH: so seeing as JSON.stringify(mock_user)); works fine if I put it in my CocoaRestClient and make a request, I don't understand why it wou;dnt work with req.send() in my unit test.
[14:06] industrial: req.write*
[14:07] bnoordhuis: jonaslund: great idea, turtles all the way down!
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[14:08] TheJH: industrial, as last resort, you could fire up a sniffer and look at the difference between the requests
[14:09] industrial: TheJH: hmm, yeah
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[14:18] guydoingstuff: still having some trouble with the process next tick error git://gist.github.com/1095039.git
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[14:19] TheJH: guydoingstuff, try "sudo node server.js"
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[14:21] industrial: TheJH: I have no idea how to proxy my unit test :S
[14:21] industrial: (to Charles)
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[14:22] TheJH: industrial, what?
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[14:24] guydoingstuff: TheJH: it worked... but I never installed node.js or npm with sudo?  I had to include the entire path(in my home) to node in the sudo attempt to get it to go live.
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[14:24] guydoingstuff: Awesome.  Thanks you
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[14:25] TheJH: guydoingstuff, it's because that program wants to bind to a low port (<1024), you need to be root to do that
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[14:27] Peter___: Can I upgrade the version of Node from inside node?
[14:28] industrial: TheJH: I figured it out, however charles shows a request JSON string that looks just fine (it parses into a tree so)
[14:28] tuhoojabotti: Peter___: You have to go deeper!
[14:28] industrial: why o why would connect.bodyParser() not parse it :s
[14:28] danmactough: industrial: Maybe you need to set the request header, i.e., before req.write(), req.setHeader('Content-type', 'application/json')
[14:29] Peter___: How so?
[14:29] tuhoojabotti: Peter___: Sure, why not, liek use the api to execute commands? :d
[14:30] industrial: danmactough: erm, right
[14:30] Peter___: I was hoping for something like a gem update command to just bring everything node up to the latest release.
[14:30] industrial: yea that was it
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[14:32] danmactough: sweet!
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[14:33] industrial: sweet indeed! now I can make tests for my app \o/
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[14:43] n3m6: hello
[14:44] akiva: So is Nodester down for anyone else?
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[14:44] akiva: Just trying to push a beta for a client to see
[14:44] xerox: what's nodester?
[14:44] akiva: It's like no.de
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[14:54] explodes: How to I write (blocking) to stdio (blocking because its the -h switch on my program.)
[14:54] explodes: er, to stdout*
[14:55] felixge: SubStack: does traverse allow me to remove circular references? So I can safely JSON.stringify() an object?
[14:55] SubStack: felixge: it sure does
[14:55] felixge: SubStack: clone doesn't do it 
[14:55] felixge: what do I need? :)
[14:55] TheJH: explodes, why do you want to do that?
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[14:56] SubStack: > var obj = { a : 1, b : 2 }; obj.c = obj; traverse(obj).map(function (x) { if (this.circular) this.remove() })
[14:56] SubStack: { a: 1, b: 2 }
[14:56] explodes: console.log(parser.toString() /* some huge string */); process.exit(0);
[14:56] explodes: @ TheJH 
[14:56] explodes: It is only writing a portion of the help.
[14:56] shenlok_: are there any node modules out there to make logging to the console "prettier"
[14:57] felixge: SubStack: awesome! Thanks!
[14:57] shenlok_: or general libs
[14:57] SubStack: shenlok_: colors? word wrapping?
[14:57] SubStack: tables?
[14:57] felixge: SubStack: might make sense as a standalone utility method? I'd send a patch
[14:57] felixge: also send you a patch for update/merge we talked about a while
[14:57] shenlok_: not so much tables, just something to improve readability
[14:57] felixge: * a while ago
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[14:57] SubStack: felixge: yep I looked at that, I'll merge it later today
[14:57] TheJH: explodes, it only writes a portion? sounds like a nod ebug
[14:57] felixge: :)
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[14:58] TheJH: explodes, how big is the string?
[14:58] explodes: TheJH: http://pastie.org/2243204 Its not a bug. Writes with console.log are asyncronous
[14:58] explodes: So the process is killed before the whole buffer is written
[14:58] explodes: *flushed
[14:58] SubStack: felixge: maybe I should just include an example of scrubbing circular refs on the readme and example/?
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[14:59] TheJH: explodes, it won't exit before everything was written, even if you write async. it's a bug.
[14:59] explodes: require('fs').writefdSync(1, parser.toString())
[14:59] SubStack: because it's really easy to do with traverse if you know the right methods to call
[14:59] felixge: SubStack: works for me
[14:59] TheJH: third opinion on explodes problem?
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[15:00] maushu: felixge: It's your fault, isn't it?
[15:00] felixge: maushu: ?
[15:00] maushu: The new logo.
[15:00] maushu: I can smell the guilt in you.
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[15:00] felixge: maushu: it's really an ancient nazi symbol
[15:01] felixge: maushu: sorry :(
[15:01] explodes: fs.writeSync(1, parser.toString()) still cuts it off...
[15:01] TheJH: let's go witchhunting :)
[15:01] maushu: I KNEW IT.
[15:01] maushu: 
ACTION goes conspirancy manic mode.

[15:01] jetienne: explodes: console.log(); after your console.log(inlinehelp); ?
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[15:02] explodes: jetienne: Nope
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[15:03] jetienne: process.stdout.write(inlinehelp);
[15:03] explodes: I cant find it in the docs. But writing with console.log is non-blocking.  console.warn/console.error however are blocking.
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[15:03] jetienne: explodes: my next suggestion would be "dont display -h over 1200bds terminal" :)
[15:04] jetienne: ah ?
[15:04] TheJH: explodes, that doesn't matter! node won't exit before there's nothing more to do
[15:04] explodes: TheJH: Ooo
[15:04] jetienne: process.stderr.write(inlinehelp+ '\n'); then
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[15:04] explodes: jetienne: process.stdout.write(foo) didnt work either
[15:05] jetienne: explodes: stderr ? 
[15:05] explodes: stderr works
[15:05] jetienne: and btw -h is suppose to output in stderr in usual unix convention
[15:05] jetienne: there :)
[15:05] explodes: jetienne: Oh. Sweet!
[15:06] jetienne: explodes: im not sure the 'convention' part is true tho :)
[15:06] jetienne: just a memory
[15:06] explodes: ill ask #linux
[15:07] SubStack: felixge: updated
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[15:08] jetienne: https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/src/node.js#L220 explodes this seems to be the part you are interested in
[15:08] jetienne: explodes: below is the stderr
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[15:09] SubStack: felixge: speaking of json, check this out: https://github.com/substack/jsup
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[15:10] SubStack: I've wanted that module for a year or more
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[15:11] Clex: Is it possible to do some JS in a Jade attribute? Some thing like "a(href='/foo' + '/bar')".
[15:11] explodes: GNU Tools -h writes to stdout, ab (apache bench) writes to stderr
[15:11] SubStack: Clex: yep
[15:11] SubStack: exactly that
[15:12] Clex: Oh, my random statement works?
[15:13] jetienne: explodes: cool, maybe to fill an issue on this would be cool
[15:13] jetienne: console.log() not flushed before process.exit
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[15:16] felixge: SubStack: that is crazy
[15:17] felixge: SubStack: looks like quite some machinery involved : ). burito + uglify 
[15:17] felixge: but hey, can't do too much in the name of pretty code, right?
[15:17] felixge: :)
[15:17] SubStack: indeed!
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[15:21] jonaslund: hmmm
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[15:23] jonaslund: a process.thisTick() function would be handy
[15:23] bradleymeck: substack, broken-pipe error ever happen before in dnode? trying to figure out where the socket is being tanked
[15:23] jonaslund: or is there something like it?
[15:24] SubStack: bradleymeck: in node?
[15:24] SubStack: the perl and ruby libs have some problems with pipes
[15:24] jonaslund: (I made a test with something like it that does work without doing the whole event loop schebang and it was more than 10x faster
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[15:26] bradleymeck: substack, i found it nm, its with how the domain sockets clobber themselves when you listen
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[15:26] bradleymeck: 
ACTION shakes fist at https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1331

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[15:28] SubStack: aha
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[15:45] jeedey: still baffled by the connect-js router failing on multiple requests (not reaching other network layer limits)..
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[15:50] tuhoojabotti: There's a bug in your code. :O
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[16:00] CIA-107: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * rce5eb6d 10/ (config-unix.mk src/uv-unix.c): 
[16:00] CIA-107: libuv: config-unix: drop --std=c89 on cygwin, hides CLOCK_MONOTONIC.
[16:00] CIA-107: libuv: Fixes #112. - https://github.com/joyent/libuv/commit/ce5eb6d85a573985aef5e9e2bfe8bba145163189
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[16:05] TweeKane: how do i create temporary file?
[16:05] tuhoojabotti: TweeKane: Look at fs.
[16:05] tuhoojabotti: :P
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[16:06] tuhoojabotti: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.5.0/api/fs.html TweeKane
[16:06] TweeKane: tuhoojabotti: there is nothing there for temp files
[16:06] tjholowaychuk: TweeKane: I dont think we have mktemp etc
[16:06] tjholowaychuk: right now at least
[16:07] TweeKane: I asking not about how to create file
[16:07] tuhoojabotti: Make a file, then delete it? :D
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[16:07] tjholowaychuk: and i dont think we expose any temp path related stuff so you kinda have to assume /tmp
[16:07] bradleymeck: do you just need a unique name or ...? temp file can mean multiple things
[16:07] CIA-107: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r9cc2bd1 10/ (13 files in 4 dirs): Upgrade libuv to ce5eb6d - https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/9cc2bd11d35fda0b000a16eca8fcef8a0d6fa339
[16:08] TweeKane: i need uniq name in the right dir 
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[16:09] jeedey: tuhoojabotti: requesting a url and it working 8 times out of 10,  sounds like a bug in the router than the actual code because it works
[16:09] TweeKane: it is not problem to create file. I just one to do it right way
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[16:09] bradleymeck: tweekane there is no condoned way in the core api and i dont know of a module that does so
[16:10] jetienne: TweeKane: "foobar"+Date.now()+Math.floor(Math.random()*999999) ?
[16:10] jetienne: put a pid in the mix 
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[16:11] jetienne: not garanteed but make collision unlikely
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[16:11] TweeKane: jetienne: it’s okey. What about finding temp dir path?
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[16:12] jetienne: TweeKane: like "/tmp" on unix and "somethingelse" on window ?
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[16:13] TweeKane: usually yes, it‘s /tmp 
[16:13] TweeKane: i know only about linuxes
[16:14] slifty: greetings and salutations everyone!
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[16:14] jetienne: TweeKane: for unix + mac '/tmp' will do. for window , you dont care for now because node support isnt top notch
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[16:14] jetienne: joyent is working hard on it tho
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[16:14] _sorensen_: im about to play with it right now
[16:14] mnaser: so finally found myself a use-case for node.js -- as an API server, i'm not a fan of XMLRPC, i see there's xmlrpc servers for node.js but i can't find a good REST api module, any suggestions?
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[16:15] _sorensen_: not sure what to do about lack of npm tho
[16:15] mnaser: worse come to worse I'd use xmlrpc but much rather play with REST..
[16:15] jetienne: mnaser: express.js + express-ressource
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[16:16] TweeKane: jetienne: seems like there is no other way. Thanks all
[16:16] jetienne: https://github.com/visionmedia/express-resource#readme mnaser for an example 
[16:16] isaacs: jetienne: yes, npm keeps your key in your ~/.npmrc file
[16:16] mnaser: will check it out!  thank you :)
[16:17] jeedey: there is a module for temp files
[16:17] jetienne: isaacs: you read your backlog :) what about the insecure channel stuff ? why not https ?
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[16:18] indexzero: isaacs: I'll be downtown SF today if you want to grab lunch
[16:18] isaacs: jetienne: because until recently, node didn't handle large file transfers over https very well
[16:19] jetienne: isaacs: so historical. cool :)
[16:19] isaacs: yep
[16:19] isaacs: it'll default to https with node >=0.4.10 and npm >=1.0.18
[16:19] isaacs: (ie, next release of both)
[16:20] isaacs: you can also do this now with: npm config set registry https://registry.npmjs.org/
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[16:32] Corren: isaacs: have you heard of any puppet modules to manage npm?
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[16:35] japj: bnoordhuis: hi, I just submitted an issue for not being able to compile v8 on cygwin (thanks for the CLOCK fix btw ;)
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[16:35] japj: bnoordhuis: don't know if we need to forward that issue upstream though
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[16:39] mnaser: I've done tons of javascript but I've been trying to think of this and I can't figure it out.. what's a good way to run to events parallel and when they're both done, the third event is called
[16:39] mnaser: ex: call method a, call method b -- method c waits for a and b to complete then executes
[16:40] MarcinM: @mnaser: Step
[16:40] TheJH: mnaser, http://github.com/caolan/async
[16:41] MarcinM: https://github.com/creationix/step
[16:41] MarcinM: Yeah, or async.
[16:41] guidocalvano: how do you copy a library when writing an npm install script 
[16:41] guidocalvano: ?
[16:41] tjholowaychuk: i like tim smart's https://github.com/Tim-Smart/async-array
[16:41] isaacs: guidocalvano: not sure what you mean
[16:42] mnaser: so, much, choices.
[16:42] tjholowaychuk: but i guess that's kinda different
[16:42] mnaser: lol
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[16:42] TheJH: guidocalvano, are you talking about a dependency?
[16:42] guidocalvano: how do you tell npm to put lib at [source path] in [sink path]  when installing my C++ written lib
[16:42] guidocalvano: yes
[16:42] bentkus: :D
[16:42] isaacs: guidocalvano: you... don't?
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[16:42] mnaser: whoops, ctrl+w'd this instead of chrome tab
[16:42] mnaser: phail
[16:42] bentkus: "I'm Smart ..." "Yeah yeah, we are all smart", "No dude, my surname is Smart!"
[16:43] guidocalvano: hmmmm
[16:43] MarcinM: Derek?
[16:43] TheJH: mnaser, that's even worse when you have the browser on screen 1 and IRC on screen 2 :(
[16:43] tjholowaychuk: bentkus haha yeah pretty badass last name
[16:43] mnaser: (thats how i just missed it, irc on mbp screen and chrome in main screen)
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[16:44] bentkus: em why is that async array so good?
[16:44] tjholowaychuk: i just like it better than the other more awkward ones
[16:44] tjholowaychuk: but i haven't really had a need for any
[16:45] bentkus: I understand why one would use thread safe arrays, but whats the point of "async arrays"
[16:45] tjholowaychuk: thread safe?
[16:45] tjholowaychuk: we have one thread
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[16:46] tbranyen: not according to google groups today
[16:46] bentkus: generalization, i know that node has only one thread
[16:46] bentkus: The api is async? so what the underlying code is not
[16:46] _sorensen_: technically
[16:46] bentkus: I'm using manos, which is like node for C# and you can actually have more event loops
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[16:47] felixge: I remember seeing an npm search that shows github folloers
[16:47] felixge: * followers
[16:47] felixge: does anybody have a link?
[16:47] felixge: More specially I'm looking for a decent xml parser that doesn't need compiling
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[16:49] guidocalvano: isaacs, TheJH: so basically the only way to get a dynamic library into your npm distribution is by using a shell script?
[16:49] ekryski: For anyone in the Calgary area: http://www.eventbrite.com/s/56gV
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[16:50] TheJH: guidocalvano, where do you want to copy that lib? not outside of your module, I suppose?
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[16:51] japj: guidocalvano: is this lib a node addon or is it lib that your node addon depends on?
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[16:51] guidocalvano: TheJH: no course not. I want to link a graphics engine.
[16:51] Ramosa: I can't decide on a linux distro for node.js ..
[16:51] guidocalvano: japj: its a lib my addon depends on
[16:52] japj: guidocalvano: and the distribution you are using does not provide a binary distribution of it (in rpm/deb form)?
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[16:53] guidocalvano: japj: I have a mac .framework
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[16:54] japj: isaacs: if you store a 3rd party shared lib in the same directory as the .node (binary node addon) would that work for guidocalvano? (I dont know how shared libs work on mac)
[16:55] guidocalvano: japj: I just want to know how I can get the lib in some node dir, knowing what that dir is
[16:55] japj: guidocalvano: you are building with wscript right?
[16:55] guidocalvano: japj: if I can get that done I can do the rest myself
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[16:56] guidocalvano: japj: I create a dylib with another build system, and then link that with wscript
[16:56] japj: guidocalvano: it could be that wscript knows where it is going to install the .node file, so that would allow you to "configure with install dir" your 3d library
[16:56] japj: guidocalvano: ah
[16:58] japj: guidocalvano: wscript puts your binary node addon in build/default/ by default
[16:58] japj: guidocalvano: I think if you copy your dylib to that location it might work
[16:58] guidocalvano: japj: yes, but I need to know where npm puts the dylib
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[16:59] guidocalvano: japj: I'll try
[16:59] guidocalvano: japj: tnx
[16:59] japj: guidocalvano: I think building node addons is part of node-waf, npm is not involved in that perse
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[17:00] japj: guidocalvano: but storing a precompiled dylib inside your addon might prevent it to run on different systems, but I dont know if that is a problem for you
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[17:01] isaacs: guidocalvano: the custom is to name the blah.node file as the "main" module
[17:01] isaacs: guidocalvano: and then just do require("blah")
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[17:01] Draggor: node.exe: not enough storage is available to process this command.  I know what it's saying, but is this a known thing?  Ihaven't had that happen on my nix based node.
[17:02] guidocalvano: japj: it will be one tough install script (:, but first it has to work on my system
[17:03] japj: isaacs: I think this is about a dependency to a 3rd party lib from blah.node (and that 3rd party lib is compiled outside node-waf and needs to be put somewhere in order to be be resolvable by the OS executable loader)
[17:03] japj: or something like that
[17:04] guidocalvano: is there an environment variable set that states where node can be found?
[17:05] guidocalvano: or do I take the path of `which node` ?
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[17:05] guidocalvano: mmmm
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[17:06] guidocalvano: it appears I could use git to add stuff
[17:06] guidocalvano: but then I'd have to put compiled libs in there...
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[17:22] chrissilich: hey everybody
[17:22] chrissilich: hows it going?
[17:22] chrissilich: does anyone know what the last stable branch is?
[17:22] Murvin: 0.4.9
[17:23] chrissilich: do you know who's github i can get it from?
[17:23] chrissilich: i sort of noobish I know
[17:23] TheJH: chrissilich, github.com/joyent/node
[17:23] chrissilich: i see
[17:24] brainproxy: chrissilich: maybe try  nvm, thenit would just be `nvm install v0.4.10`
[17:24] chrissilich: so a "git checkout origin/v0.4" should get me that 0.4.9?
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[17:24] chrissilich: nvm? I'm not familiar with nvm
[17:24] brainproxy: https://github.com/creationix/nvm
[17:25] chrisdickinson: SubStack: i've got a teensy tiny test case that narrows the parsing problem i mentioned last night down to burrito: https://gist.github.com/75def135193cfebbde94
[17:25] brainproxy: easy to install and use
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[17:25] TheJH: chrissilich, I'd try v0.4.10
[17:25] brainproxy: and it installs npm for you
[17:25] chrissilich: great, thanks guys
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[17:26] chrissilich: hmmm, with NVM I'm getting this message:
[17:26] chrissilich: "/root/.nvm/src/node-v0.4.10/wscript:232: error: could not configure a cxx compiler! "
[17:27] brainproxy: chrissilich: first of all, don't install it as root
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[17:27] brainproxy: it's meant to be used within a normal user environment
[17:27] chrissilich: ok
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[17:27] chrissilich: what's the opposit of sudo -s?
[17:27] brainproxy: 2nd, as the README says (which you should read), you need to have a compiler install
[17:27] brainproxy: *installed
[17:27] brainproxy: what's the OS on the machine you'r installing nvm on
[17:28] brainproxy: chrissilich: don't use sudo to install nvm
[17:28] chrissilich: its a blank ec2 server
[17:28] brainproxy: okay, is that a debian/ubuntu based distro?
[17:29] brainproxy: I've never used EC2, sorry, i mainly use VPS from Linode, Rackspace, etc.
[17:29] chrissilich: sorry, I'm on the free tier, it just says "Linux"
[17:29] chrissilich: I've been using yum to install stuff if that helps
[17:29] brainproxy: chrissilich: try this:
[17:29] brainproxy: ah, redhat
[17:29] brainproxy: just a sec
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[17:30] brainproxy: yum groupinstall 'Development Tools'
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[17:30] chrissilich: ahh, thats it
[17:30] chrissilich: i'm getting loads of dev tools here
[17:30] brainproxy: yes, it's a bundle
[17:31] chrissilich: 57 to be precise
[17:31] chrissilich: this could take a minute ;)
[17:31] brainproxy: also you need libssl-dev, but I'm not sure what it's called on rh derived linux
[17:31] chrissilich: "libssl-devel"
[17:31] brainproxy: chrissilich: are you using this ec2 instance to learn and play around?
[17:31] chrissilich: yes
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[17:31] chrissilich: but i have a project I'm working on
[17:31] brainproxy: if so, why not do it locally w/ virtual box
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[17:32] chrissilich: the project is an iPhone app that needs to connect over 3g as well
[17:32] chrissilich: so i need a server accessible from anywhere
[17:33] mnaser: you can do your dev internally over wifi and local IP for the server
[17:33] mnaser: t
[17:33] brainproxy: maybe fulfill that requirement last, and do your dev and testing with virtual server on local network, e.g/ running on your local machine sharing its network connection via virtual box
[17:33] chrissilich: i have been using an EC2 instance for a while, but it was just a copy of someone else's AMI, so I wanted to learn how to manage the server myself 
[17:33] Xeon06_: Are there any rendering engines that can be used with node? I want to take "screenshots" of websites
[17:33] mnaser: then switch the IP to the public EC2 instance over 3g/etc, it would be the same at the end, and you'll be a lot less frustrated dev-ing internally
[17:33] mnaser: ls
[17:33] mnaser: oops
[17:33] brainproxy: I just think you're in for some pain if you try and do all your dev/learning on ec2 :/
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[17:34] brainproxy: heck, get a Linode VPS or a Rackspace Cloud Serve so at least it's persistent; iirc, if the ec2 instance reboots, poof!
[17:34] chrissilich: I'll definately move to a paid VPS later
[17:34] brainproxy: anyway, i'm being opinionated :)
[17:35] chrissilich: but for now EC2 is great, I was doing fine til I tried to set up a server from scratch
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[17:35] chrissilich: anyway, success!
[17:35] brainproxy: cool
[17:35] japj: isaacs: could you have a look at https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1091 ? it is an npm node 0.5.x related issue. maybe close it or something else?
[17:35] brainproxy: btw, see https://github.com/michaelsbradleyjr/vps-setup
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[17:35] brainproxy: chrissilich: i wrote that, not sure if it will help but you might take a look ^^
[17:36] chrissilich: wow, very in-depth, thanks brain
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[17:36] brainproxy: yw
[17:37] brainproxy: it's s a setup tutorial specifically aimed at node.js devs
[17:37] brainproxy: though I really don't do much w/ node.js, gut get it prepped in a bare-bones setup
[17:37] brainproxy: *just
[17:37] brainproxy: I mean in the tutorial I don't actually do much
[17:37] brainproxy: w/ node.js
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[17:38] chrissilich: right, i can see what this tutorial is useful for
[17:38] demano__ has joined the channel
[17:38] chrissilich: getting to a barebones, working, relatively secure starting point
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[17:39] chrissilich: anyone here using NowJS?
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[17:42] thriple: brainproxy: can you post that link again? just missed it
[17:42] felixge: Just published a new #nodejs module for @airbrakeapp (formerly @hoptoadapp). If you need error tracking, check it out: https://github.com/felixge/node-airbrake :)
[17:43] brainproxy: thriple: sure, https://github.com/michaelsbradleyjr/vps-setup
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[17:45] taf2: is it bad if i'm not a coffescript user but would drink coffee all day missing lunch in favor of coffee... maybe i'm just confused
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[17:45] thriple: ty
[17:45] taf2: is there a rsa component to crypto lib?
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[17:46] bnoordhuis: taf2: you mean for generating keys? not right now, no
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[17:46] taf2: i have a pure js version to generate keys... but it's sloow
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[17:46] japj: taf2: as long as you dont like java beans, drinking coffee is ok ;)
[17:47] taf2: i've tried java beans once before... i ended up throwing up by mid morning
[17:47] taf2: i'll do expresso though... keeps me feeling strong
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[17:50] thriple: Can anyone explain the signifigance of 'binding' to process?
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[17:50] tjholowaychuk: thriple it exposes the really low level bindings to node
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[17:50] tjholowaychuk: for internal use
[17:51] jetienne: taf2: SubStack did bignumber lib from memory
[17:51] CIA-107: libuv: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * readfb14 10/ src/uv-unix.c : unix: uv_write shouldn't assert fd >= 0 - https://github.com/joyent/libuv/commit/eadfb1488470197d9073b5763986246a54d92703
[17:51] jetienne: https://github.com/substack/node-bigint 
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[17:51] taf2: ah, i wish i had seen that earlier today
[17:52] thriple: tjholowaychuk thanks, so it allows you to interact with the non JS part of node?
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[17:52] tjholowaychuk: thriple i dont think it's public api
[17:52] namelessjon: What do people recommend for testing node libraries/apps?
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[17:52] tjholowaychuk: but for example fs.close() is basically just process.binding('fs').close
[17:52] taf2: 
ACTION likes assert

[17:53] tjholowaychuk: 
ACTION also likes assert

[17:53] tjholowaychuk: 
ACTION begins to hate all test frameworks

[17:53] thriple: tjholowaychuk thank you
[17:53] ekryski: what about expresso ;-)
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[17:53] tjholowaychuk: meh
[17:53] tjholowaychuk: lol
[17:53] tjholowaychuk: it's far from great
[17:53] ekryski: you only have so much time
[17:53] taf2: 
ACTION moves crazy fast... expresso OD

[17:54] tjholowaychuk: the best test frameworl is a simple one tailored exactly to your ad hoc needs
[17:54] tjholowaychuk: framework*
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[17:55] namelessjon: Thanks for the recommendations.
[17:56] guidocalvano: how do I run an application in node-waf
[17:56] guidocalvano: I need to change the path where my app expects a dylib
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[17:56] guidocalvano: *my module expects a dylib
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[17:58] Borgoluzzuo: Hi all, I have this code going:  https://gist.github.com/86c8b9ebf7dc623c76bb   -- but on line 11, it claims poll_id is undefined -- does anyone have any idea why this might be happening?
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[17:59] monokrome: Are there any open source tools for auto-deploying node applications?
[17:59] Prometheus: define auto deploy
[17:59] tjholowaychuk: shell scripts ftw
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[18:01] monokrome: Prometheus: If I have 20 servers and I change the code in master, the code should be updated on the servers.
[18:01] Prometheus: master?
[18:01] Prometheus: on git?
[18:01] monokrome: Git branch
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[18:02] tjholowaychuk: shell script that issues commands to N servers
[18:02] TheJH: Borgoluzzuo, it shouldn't be undefined. Could you insert a "console.log(JSON.stringify(json))" in line 10?
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[18:02] monokrome: I'm using Python / Fabric for a related project, but doing this part in Node
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[18:02] Prometheus: monokrome: I believe there's a fabric fork/branch that lets you run commands parallel
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[18:02] Borgoluzzuo: TheJH: One Moment...
[18:02] monokrome: (and dislike the fabric approach)
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[18:03] Prometheus: so you could (in theory) issue the command parallel =)
[18:03] Prometheus: with that said, there's a bunch of articles that actually cover how to mimic heroku-like deployment
[18:03] tjholowaychuk: "Fabric is a Python (2.5 or higher) library and command-line tool for streamlining the use of SSH"
[18:03] monokrome: The issue with fabric is that it has a "push" approach, while I want a "pull"
[18:03] tjholowaychuk: why the hell woudl you need py
[18:03] tjholowaychuk: hate these things
[18:03] Prometheus: monokrome: there's project called cast
[18:03] Prometheus: that's kind of like puppet for your application code
[18:04] Prometheus: http://cast-project.org/
[18:04] Prometheus: I believe the idea behind cast is to enable pull deployment
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[18:04] Prometheus: (it's quite young though, so buyer beware) :)
[18:04] monokrome: Hmm. Haven't seen that one, yet.
[18:04] Prometheus: but it has good people behind it
[18:05] Prometheus: it's worth watching I think :)
[18:05] tjholowaychuk: http://readthedocs.org/
[18:05] tjholowaychuk: we need that
[18:05] tjholowaychuk: for node
[18:05] Prometheus: tjholowaychuk: that's python ;)
[18:05] tjholowaychuk: yeah i know
[18:05] Prometheus: the source is available though, just write your docs in reST =P
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[18:05] tjholowaychuk: reST?
[18:06] CIA-107: libuv: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r1fda135 10/ src/uv-unix.c : understand EBADF - https://github.com/joyent/libuv/commit/1fda135ff21869fe24e95a154747722edd546aee
[18:06] Prometheus: reStructured Text
[18:06] tjholowaychuk: looks markdown-ish enough to make me happy
[18:06] Prometheus: it's the markup Sphinx uses
[18:06] tjholowaychuk: i
[18:06] tjholowaychuk: i
[18:06] tjholowaychuk: FUCK
[18:06] tjholowaychuk: haha
[18:06] Prometheus: (which is what RTD uses to create those docs)
[18:06] tjholowaychuk: worth investigating we need something solid like that
[18:06] Prometheus: :)
[18:07] Prometheus: the RTD guys kindly put their sources on github
[18:07] Borgoluzzuo: TheJH: It just outputs the same but with slashes
[18:07] tjholowaychuk: awesome
[18:07] Prometheus: tjholowaychuk: if you feel like setting one up and need help setting it up, feel free to hit me up :)
[18:07] Borgoluzzuo: TheJH: So {\"poll_id\":2423,\"vote_count\":1}
[18:07] tjholowaychuk: Prometheus will do
[18:08] tjholowaychuk: Prometheus ah i see, you write them in a docs dir instead of inline
[18:08] Prometheus: yup
[18:08] tjholowaychuk: duplication sucks, but i love inline docs
[18:09] Prometheus: docco to the rescue?
[18:09] CIA-107: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r0599cb7 10/ src/node.js : process.stdout/process.stderr should use net_legacy for now - https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/0599cb7afa7bd0b78741142b92b588a8f59609d5
[18:09] tjholowaychuk: meh
[18:09] TheJH: Borgoluzzuo, try to replace callback(JSON.parse(message)); with callback(message);
[18:09] tjholowaychuk: easy enough to construct the dir from inline
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[18:10] Borgoluzzuo: TheJH: Well, the message is actually coming in as a string, not pure JSON -- so we need that JSON.parse
[18:10] TheJH: Borgoluzzuo, which framework are you using?
[18:10] Borgoluzzuo: TheJH: We have a C process using hiredis to publish to a channel over redis which node is subcribed to waiting for data
[18:11] Prometheus: tjholowaychuk: yeah, I imagine you could just have something scrape the files and generate the files from that
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[18:11] tjholowaychuk: Prometheus yeah i could use what i have for dox i just dont have time to finish the new dox
[18:11] TheJH: Borgoluzzuo, what libraries (if any) are you using inside node for that connection?
[18:11] tjholowaychuk: and this thing looks slick
[18:11] Prometheus: it's pretty neat :)
[18:12] Borgoluzzuo: TheJH: I just did a npm install redis for our redis client
[18:12] Prometheus: on the plus side, you get all(?) the ready-made sphinx themes for free, too
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[18:14] chrisdickinson: Prometheus: tjholowaychuk: it'd be cool to add the ability to include docco docs to rtd.
[18:14] Prometheus: chrisdickinson: or pycco =P
[18:14] tjholowaychuk: i dont really like how the docco ones read
[18:14] chrisdickinson: also, I've hosted some node.js documentation on rtd, and it seems to work pretty well
[18:14] Prometheus: chrisdickinson: yeah, but you'd probably want this to be node focused :)
[18:15] chrisdickinson: Prometheus: I don't think there's anything specific to python about rtd -- it just so happens that most of the projects hosted on there are python
[18:15] Prometheus: chrisdickinson: right, there isn't
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[18:15] Prometheus: but most of the existing projects are python or django projects :)
[18:15] chrisdickinson: maybe more worthwhile to fork it and add "language detection" support -- searching by language + keywords, etc
[18:15] tjholowaychuk: chrisdickinson good point
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[18:15] tjholowaychuk: save even more time
[18:16] chrisdickinson: a couple of co-workers of mine actually wrote it, so I might see if they're interested in that sort of thing
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[18:16] chrisdickinson: (though I don't see why they wouldn't be)
[18:16] Prometheus: chrisdickinson: yeah the language selection would be cool
[18:16] Prometheus: I think RTD would benefit from that, too :)
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[18:17] chrisdickinson: totally. are there any other things that would be... I don't know, nice to have for node.js project documentation that RTD doesn't have at the moment?
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[18:19] TheJH: Borgoluzzuo, I can't find the error
[18:19] Prometheus: chrisdickinson: I personally think docco support would be huge
[18:20] chrisdickinson: tjholowaychuk: Prometheus: fyi, ericholscher works on rtd
[18:20] Borgoluzzuo: TheJH: We're at a loss as well
[18:20] Prometheus: chrisdickinson: I know :)
[18:20] Prometheus: oh, eric is here
[18:20] ericholscher: :)
[18:20] Prometheus: ericholscher++
[18:20] catb0t: ericholscher now has 1 beer
[18:20] tjholowaychuk: cool
[18:20] ericholscher: thanks! :)
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[18:20] tjholowaychuk: looks like a great project
[18:20] tjholowaychuk: retarded that each language reinvents this stuff
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[18:20] ericholscher: 
ACTION will have to cash that out at next nodeconf if it's in portland again :)

[18:20] TheJH: Borgoluzzuo, did you try just omitting that JSON.parse? maybe the redis client already gives you parsed data (although the docs say that it's not the case)
[18:21] Prometheus: tjholowaychuk: agreed
[18:21] Prometheus: ericholscher: I'll definitely buy you one if I can make it there, didn't see you in the bars @ euro djangocon 2009 :P
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[18:22] ericholscher: oh man
[18:22] ericholscher: 
ACTION has epic flashbacks

[18:22] chrisdickinson: it might be cool to do a little design work and add "language / framework" tags to documentation lists -- also, providing list pages specific to a language/framework
[18:23] chrisdickinson: maybe a gh-pages import would be cool, too?
[18:23] fille: hello hello
[18:23] ericholscher: Yea, if people want to specify, I haven't even thought about that
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[18:23] chrisdickinson: ...and final pony request, some way to parse the package.json for "scripts":{"docs":"build docs"}
[18:23] ericholscher: I've been more thinking about different types of documentation backends, having a project-level language etc. would be pretty simple
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[18:24] ericholscher: a docco backend would indeed be cool
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[18:25] chrisdickinson: ericholscher: it might be cool to see if you can grab the javascript rich text editor from github's gollum and apply it to inline editing of docs for owners of the page
[18:25] Prometheus: ericholscher: esp. since there's so many language-specific permutations of docco :)
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[18:26] guidocalvano: pfffff this is such a head ache... about 10 to 15 deps 
[18:26] guidocalvano: have to manually change them all
[18:26] guidocalvano: grrrr...
[18:27] tjholowaychuk: with reST can you use # foo / ## foo etc for headings?
[18:27] tjholowaychuk: not a fan of the underline thing
[18:28] xerox: the what?
[18:28] xerox: o I see : )
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[18:29] tjholowaychuk: grr doesn't look like it
[18:30] ericholscher: yea, it takes some getting used to
[18:30] ericholscher: but is generally pretty powerful
[18:30] zmbmartin: not really node related but I have a client that needs a WYSIWYG of sorts. What are some easy lightweight options?
[18:30] zmbmartin: I am afraid markdown will not be simple enough for my clients
[18:31] tjholowaychuk: seems like a poor choice unless it has implications of some sort
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[18:31] zmbmartin: tjholowaychuk: was your last remark directed at me?
[18:32] tjholowaychuk: nope
[18:34] EyePulp: zmbmartin: We use markitup and output to markdown for our internal storage.  http://markitup.jaysalvat.com/home/
[18:34] EyePulp: the end user doesn't need to know the markup language - they just use the wysiwyg editor
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[18:37] zmbmartin: EyePulp: Cool, I will take a look. Thanks
[18:37] EyePulp: np
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[18:40] benmonty: Does anyone know of a good module for initializing new node projects? (i.e. one that creates folders lib, test, etc... creates a readme skeleton.. creates package.json)
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[18:41] benmonty: I know express has a decent one, but it is for express specific web apps
[18:41] tjholowaychuk: benmonty: https://github.com/visionmedia/ngen
[18:42] tjholowaychuk: it's pretty specific to my needs
[18:42] tjholowaychuk: but
[18:42] tjholowaychuk: it supports templates
[18:42] Prometheus: tjholowaychuk: yeah, I'm not fan of the rest headings either
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[18:42] Prometheus: much prefer markdown syntax
[18:42] Prometheus: but sphinx makes reST that much better =)
[18:43] jetienne: uploading 0.4.10 .deb for ubuntu
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[18:44] CIA-107: libuv: Don't output progress in 'make bench'
[18:44] CIA-107: libuv: Fixes #115. - https://github.com/joyent/libuv/commit/abf854597b5a226743486c3c60a1c18c0db7df79
[18:44] benmonty: tjholowaychuck: thanks
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[18:45] EyePulp: benmonty: here's one I used a while ago:  https://github.com/robrighter/node-boilerplate
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[18:46] EyePulp: benmonty: I find now though that you add un-needed bloat if I cut & paste projects.  I mainly rely on npm and some generic sub directories (lib, media) to carve out the workspace
[18:46] tjholowaychuk: RTD could fill in a lot of this for you
[18:46] tjholowaychuk: when you enter a .git url
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[18:52] benmonty: I guess I need to investigate a bit
[18:52] benmonty: RTD = Read The Docs ?
[18:53] chrisdickinson: benmonty: yep
[18:53] CIA-107: libuv: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * rb38ba04 10/ (test/benchmark-ares.c test/benchmark-getaddrinfo.c): Fix benchmark output for ares and getaddrinfo - https://github.com/joyent/libuv/commit/b38ba046980dd0904907282f5b1b72517b48f05d
[18:53] tjholowaychuk: yeah just trying it out
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[18:54] chrisdickinson: tjholowaychuk: if it's any sort of a ringing endorsement, django's documentation is mirrored at rtd: http://readthedocs.org/docs/django/en/latest/
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[18:54] tjholowaychuk: cool
[18:55] chrisdickinson: (which is sort of my go-to example of "gigantic documentation project" -- I really like jacobkm's assertion that "good documentation is fractal")
[18:55] tjholowaychuk: i might do similar for express
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[18:55] tjholowaychuk: i dont know what htmlDir is though
[18:55] tjholowaychuk: haha
[18:55] Corren: can anyone point me to a node.js/express project on github that has elegantly factored modules and views?
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[19:01] icebox: isaacs: Hello... I was wondering if you intend to add the following patch for cygwin env: https://github.com/isaacs/npm/issues/959#issuecomment-1587107
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[19:13] CIA-107: libuv: runner: give helpers a chance to clean up after the test.
[19:13] CIA-107: libuv: Fixes #50. - https://github.com/joyent/libuv/commit/eb5e00fd1be5e5efafcb03f080205a827e95ba26
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[19:23] japj: bnoordhuis:  can you close https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/854 ?
[19:24] bnoordhuis: japj: done
[19:24] rhdoenges: bnoordhuis: I sent a list of issues that are closeable to nodejs-dev but google groups says it needs to go through moderation
[19:24] rhdoenges: should I have emailed it?
[19:25] bnoordhuis: rhdoenges: isaacs moderates the queue
[19:25] bnoordhuis: isaacs: ^
[19:25] isaacs: bnoordhuis: there's a few other people on that, too, but i'll take a look
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[19:25] rhdoenges: isaacs: thanks
[19:25] isaacs: ok, you're approved :D
[19:26] rhdoenges: :D
[19:27] japj: rhdoenges: gz! ;)
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[19:29] rhdoenges: japj: gz?
[19:30] beriberikix: I know this is a huge topic, but are there any good articles on flow control?
[19:30] iammerrick: isaacs: is "cannot call method filter of undefined a known issue?
[19:30] isaacs: iammerrick: yes, update npm, fixed in the latest
[19:30] iammerrick: isaacs: thanks
[19:30] slickplaid: great site on flow control: http://www.tampax.com
[19:31] rhdoenges: look_of_disapproval
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[19:31] beriberikix: slickplaid: I'd call that flow blockage
[19:31] japj: rhdoenges: as in gz: A leetspeak word meaning "congratulations" (from leetspeak "gratz")... sorry, a bit of WoW influence hit me there
[19:32] rhdoenges: japj: thanks :)
[19:34] beriberikix: for ex., if I have nested async functions. Like a readfile inside a route middleware in express 
[19:34] slickplaid: i thought gz meant gzip to be honest
[19:34] jonaslund: ryah: should http://www.jlim.se/tick.js work? (Run for one second then abort)
[19:34] jonaslund: ryah: It works in node 4.4 but not 5.1
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[19:36] rhdoenges: nothing is as it seems in 0.5.x
[19:36] rhdoenges: it is a dangerous place
[19:37] japj: it is in heavy state of flux
[19:37] __directory: cast of "Twilight" lurks within
[19:37] tjholowaychuk: the unstable branch(es) should output some kind of warning
[19:37] jonaslund: there's new features being tried out and some things being redone but we need to test for regressions :)
[19:37] tjholowaychuk: to say such, so people ask less
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[19:39] rhdoenges: it says somewhere in the wiki odds are unstable and evens stable like linux
[19:40] rhdoenges: but it's preeetty buried
[19:40] jonaslund: I'm not expecting rock solid, but if it's a bug then it's a good thing it gets spotted
[19:40] projectmoon: does nodejs have issues encrypting/decrypting binary data? i'm trying to implement a simple encrypt/decrypt tool and the md5sums for binary files are coming out different... but text is no problem
[19:40] tjholowaychuk: no one looks
[19:40] jonaslund: and i wrote a specific test-case for the bug once i found it
[19:40] jonaslund: the "real" code is far bigger :)
[19:41] jonaslund: hence tick.js
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[19:43] rhdoenges: could you gist the test-case?
[19:43] markwubben: kriszyp: did you pull stuff from NPM? patr, promised-io, they're failing to install
[19:43] kriszyp: how are they failing?
[19:44] isaacs: markwubben: might be my fault, lemme check
[19:44] markwubben: $ npm install patr
[19:44] markwubben: npm ERR! Error: unknown_error badarg: patr
[19:44] markwubben: npm ERR!     at IncomingMessage.<anonymous> (/usr/local/lib/node_modules/npm/lib/utils/npm-registry-client/request.js:183:16)
[19:44] isaacs: yep, badarg.  probably my bad.  looking into it
[19:44] markwubben: isaacs: it's breaking our deploys ;)
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[19:46] isaacs: should be working now
[19:46] isaacs: sorry for that.
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[19:47] markwubben: seems good, thanks. what happened?
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[19:48] jonaslund: https://gist.github.com/1095754
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[19:49] krishnan: Hi
[19:49] __directory: hi
[19:49] krishnan: I have successfully installed node.js on win 7
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[19:49] mnaser: this is really silly, but it seems like the preferred way of including things is by making them modules.  however, what if I want a module to access something in the "main" node.js application
[19:49] isaacs: markwubben: i simplified some of the view code to remove a giant if/else block that was confusing me
[19:49] jonaslund: (someone on non-win32 who could test the above gist ? )
[19:49] jonaslund: on 0.5.1
[19:49] isaacs: markwubben: the thing is, it was doing a toJSON at the very end, and i missed that
[19:49] jonaslund: or newer
[19:50] isaacs: markwubben: this is why big if blocks are hazardous
[19:50] krishnan: but want to know how to run a small node.js example
[19:50] krishnan: can someone help me with that?
[19:50] markwubben: isaacs gotcha
[19:50] mnaser: example: var http = http server, i want to include a second module called "blah.js", can I access http from it?
[19:50] markwubben: isaacs good reminder we should remove dependencies on NPM and github for our deploys
[19:51] isaacs: for deployment, yeah, probably
[19:53] japj: bnoordhuis: is timers_uv supposed to work yet? (and then setTimeout specifically)
[19:53] bnoordhuis: japj: yes-ish, i think
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[19:53] jonaslund: bnoordhuis: mingw uses libuv for timers ?
[19:53] jonaslund: on 0.5.1
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[19:53] japj: bnoordhuis: then jonaslund found a bug https://gist.github.com/1095754
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[19:56] bnoordhuis: japj jonaslund: wfm on linux with uv
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[19:56] bnoordhuis: i don't have a windows machine nearby right now
[19:56] guidocalvano: bnoordhuis: lucky you
[19:57] guidocalvano: (:
[19:57] EyePulp: heh
[19:57] japj: bnoordhuis: I think it has to do with arguments.length handling in timers_uv.js
[19:57] bnoordhuis: japj: can you or jonaslund open an issue?
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[20:04] brianc: man
[20:04] brianc: node v0.4.10 broke node-postgres extremely
[20:05] __directory: :P
[20:05] vipaca: Anyone using express?
[20:05] vipaca: What is the proper way to obtain the body of a post request?
[20:06] japj: jonaslund: I filed https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1371
[20:06] japj: and also trying to figure what exactly is going wrong
[20:06] dpritchett`: app.post('/', function(req, res){
[20:06] dpritchett`:   console.log(req.body.user);
[20:06] __directory: req.body
[20:07] __directory: it's in the express guide under the express.bodyParser() middlejuare.
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[20:10] jonaslund: japj: I was experimenting with a "process.thisTick" thing
[20:10] jonaslund: japj: to do heavy work without "tail-calling"
[20:10] akiva: npm can be a real bugger. If I try to run an update, it fails and returns and error, if I try a few times, eventually it works. :S
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[20:11] isaacs: akiva: "an error" is the vaguest possible error report.
[20:11] jonaslund: japj: On node 0.4.4 doing 100k process.nextTick takes 1.3 seconds, on 0.5.1 it takes 0.23 seconds
[20:11] __directory: i've had hardly any trouble with npm that wasn't me being a jackass
[20:11] akiva: akiva: I was mostly complaining out loud. I have the report to post @ Github
[20:11] jonaslund: japj: so either a tick is much faster nowadays or there's alot of code that doesn't get run for some reason
[20:11] isaacs: oh, ok, great :)
[20:11] akiva: __directory: Ha!
[20:11] isaacs: otherwise it's just a tease.
[20:11] isaacs: ;)
[20:12] jonaslund: japj: ("thisTick" takes 0.03 seconds so there is "some" code being run)
[20:12] jonaslund: for each tick
[20:12] brianc: I think this somehow broke node postgres: #394 Fix Buffer drops last null character in UTF-8
[20:12] brianc: anyone else having problems writing to buffers correctly with node v0.4.10?
[20:12] wink_: thank god im still on 0.4.9 :p
[20:12] frodenius: jonaslund㇀ care to paste the code you used?
[20:13] __directory: im on 0.4.9
[20:13] context: hmm
[20:13] jonaslund: frodenius: https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1371
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[20:13] context: npm update -g npm (or without npm at end) gives me:
[20:13] context: npm ERR! TypeError: Cannot call method 'filter' of undefined
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[20:13] projectmoon: anyone have issues decrypting binary data in node? i'm not sure if i'm doing it right... text works fine. gist is at https://gist.github.com/1095807
[20:13] jonaslund: frodenius: i boiled down the example that fails to that
[20:13] jellosea: whats the difference in exports.funcname = funcname and module.exports = something?
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[20:14] jellosea: if i want the constructor of an object to be exported.. how should i do it
[20:14] projectmoon: jellosea: same way you export everything else
[20:15] igl: exports.myconstr = func.. ?
[20:15] japj: jonaslund: I'm comparing timers_uv.js and timers_legacy.js but unfortunately someone also changes some of the inner workings and not just ported it, so it is a bit difficult to see what of the changes is causing the problem
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[20:15] tjholowaychuk: jellosea module.exports == exports, so you'r either adding to it, or replacing it
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[20:15] jonaslund: japj: I think the problem is at some other level though
[20:15] tjholowaychuk: require('stream') vs require('stream').Stream etc
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[20:17] akiva: The latter just looks silly imo and is usually pointless
[20:18] tjholowaychuk: agreed
[20:18] tjholowaychuk: it's awkward
[20:18] tjholowaychuk: when the module represents a single constructor
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[20:18] tjholowaychuk: i definitely prefer the first
[20:19] akiva: Exactly. Which seems to be the trend for how most ppl use the modules
[20:19] tjholowaychuk: yup. that's why I do "exports = module.exports = Stream" or similar. so conceptually you can still have additional exports
[20:19] tjholowaychuk: but if you ever change your mind
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[20:19] tjholowaychuk: you dont have to go change Stream.foo Stream.bar etc
[20:20] akiva: 
ACTION nods

[20:20] akiva: tjholowaychuk: Do you have any recommended Node hosts (for quick tests, like nodester... I use a VPS otherwise)
[20:21] tjholowaychuk: haven't really tried any to be honest
[20:21] tjholowaychuk: deployed a quick thing to no.de once but that was it
[20:21] akiva: Nodester is causing me all kinds of grief
[20:21] wavded: brianc: any luck?  i'm not sure how much help I'll be but am willing to help, i reverted back to v0.4.9 for now
[20:21] Aikar: dedicated ftw! lol
[20:21] akiva: Yeah, waiting for coupons is killing me. lol
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[20:25] CIA-107: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r6f0740e 10/ src/node_crypto.cc : 
[20:25] CIA-107: node: crypto: check for SSL_COMP_get_compression_methods()
[20:25] CIA-107: node: Function was named SSL_COMP_get_compression_method() (singular)
[20:25] CIA-107: node: in OpenSSL 0.9.7 and older.
[20:25] CIA-107: node: Fixes #1242. - https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/6f0740e67b785599cfd1112647249b5c678c7214
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[20:27] jonaslund: japj: i found something that might be related in node.cc
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[20:29] jonaslund: hard to tell if it's really related though
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[20:31] brianc: ah, found the issue.
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[20:33] mnaser: hey guys, i can't install a module using npm?
[20:33] isaacs: on it
[20:33] mnaser: thank you so much isaacs -- if you need a hand..
[20:34] brianc: isaacs: would the issue be related to also not being able to publish a module (bad_utf8_character_code)?
[20:34] isaacs: yes
[20:34] brianc: awesome. you're a bamf
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[20:35] mnaser: yeah, same error message i was getting trying to install async
[20:35] isaacs: k, that was weird
[20:35] isaacs: i think i confused it.  restarting fixed the problem.
[20:35] isaacs: there was not actually any problem with any of the code.
[20:35] brianc: hot. works now. <3
[20:36] jonaslund: japj: i'm pretty sure i've traced the problem
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[20:37] mnaser: isaacs: installation works smoothly now.  thank you very much!
[20:37] japj: jonaslund: cool, cause I hit a dead end
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[20:38] japj: jonaslund: add a comment to the issue with your findings ;)
[20:38] jedahan: anyone have an alternate registry mirror I can use?
[20:38] jedahan: for npm, that is
[20:38] bbigras__: Thanks for fixing npm so fast.
[20:39] random123: I'm trying to install "minifyjs" from the NPM, I get this: http://pastebin.com/24zzBmKX ?
[20:40] isaacs: random123: package.json error.  bin should be a file, not a module id.
[20:40] isaacs: random123: please bug the pacakge author
[20:40] random123: ok ty
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[20:45] random123: isaacs: Just fyi I'm on Arch Linux and I see a � and ��� characters in the man pages and when I install things in the npm Examples: http://pastebin.com/dhgvdAGR
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[20:47] jokil: is npm down for you guys? I get connection timeouts and errors like "Error: EAFNOSUPPORT, Address family not supported by protocol family"
[20:47] isaacs: jokil: that seems really weird.  i'm not sure what eafnosupport would mean.
[20:47] japj: btw, does github have an issue trend diagram? we're very very VERY slowly creeping towards 300 issues on github
[20:48] bnoordhuis: isaacs: address family not supported
[20:48] japj: rofl
[20:48] bnoordhuis: oh wait
[20:48] isaacs: right, but i mean... registry.npmjs.org should resolve to a ipv4 address
[20:48] bnoordhuis: hah, i only read the errno name
[20:48] isaacs: if your system doesn't support that family, you're in trouble.
[20:49] bnoordhuis: isaacs: does npm have an AAA record?
[20:49] isaacs: i think the moral of todays npm story is: isaacs should not tweak new features during the middle of the day in California.
[20:49] isaacs: all npm registry work must happen in the middle of the night.
[20:49] japj: jokil: are you running a ipv6 only machine?
[20:49] tuhoojabotti: isaacs: Everyone programs at night.
[20:50] AvianFlu: and saves their npm publishing for california noon the next day!
[20:50] japj: isaacs: you should  have an 'experimental' server
[20:50] isaacs: japj: i do
[20:50] jonaslund: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[20:50] japj: you found it?
[20:50] japj: or was that just frustration ;)
[20:50] jonaslund: japj: i found it.. i was just veryfing it and found a 100 line magic #define
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[20:51] japj: isaacs: why not experiment on the EXPERIMENTAL server?
[20:51] jonaslund: deps\uv\src\uv-win.c line 2052 and forward
[20:51] jonaslund: not pretty :)
[20:51] jonaslund: 
ACTION had trouble finding the function definitions

[20:52] jonaslund: Not that i haven't done similiar stuff myself but never 100 lines of code like that.. :D
[20:52] jokil: isaacs: also, I got a curious error when trying to install "node-static". It was "Error: ucs {bad_utf8_character_code}: node-static"
[20:52] jokil: but then I never again got that
[20:52] akiva: Can anyone recommend a useful validation module that they have experience with?
[20:52] isaacs: jokil: because i fixed it :)
[20:52] akiva: There are a few and looking for some suggestions
[20:52] isaacs: jokil: see above re: experimenting on the npm server during the daytime
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[20:53] jokil: oh haha. live updates to production. you truly are living on the edge
[20:53] jonaslund: damn
[20:53] japj: jonaslund: I dont have deps\uv\src\uv-win.c
[20:53] jonaslund: i need to make a github account
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[20:54] jonaslund: japj: under your node 0.5.1 source tree ?
[20:54] isaacs: jokil: yeah.  i was playing around with a view that could show an rss daily digest, but i guess it was just too much back and forth for the view server or somethign
[20:54] bbigras__: Are you guys aware of the 'npm ERR! error installing npm@1.0.18 Error: EACCES, Permission denied '/usr/loca l/lib/node_modules'' problem when installing npm as non-root?
[20:54] japj: jonaslund: I'm looking at the master tree, but I just found it in the 0.5.1 tag
[20:54] isaacs: bbigras__: either install as root, or change the permissions, or change the install target.
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[20:55] bnoordhuis: japj jonaslund: uv-win.c has been split up in several files
[20:55] bbigras__: isaacs: thanks!
[20:55] japj: bnoordhuis: yeah, I can imagine why ;)
[20:55] jonaslund: bnoordhuis: good riddance..  if you're working on something at line 2388 then something is not right :D
[20:56] jonaslund: bnoordhuis: i traced the bug i found earlier btw
[20:56] bnoordhuis: japj jonaslund: well... uv-unix.c is at ~2,500 lines too now
[20:56] japj: jonaslund: where was the bug btw?
[20:56] japj: bnoordhuis: also... very nice comment: /* Terrible: please fix me! */
[20:56] bnoordhuis: :)
[20:56] jonaslund: bnoordhuis: you work on the windows code ?
[20:57] bnoordhuis: jonaslund: no, that's the work of the MS guys and piscisaureus
[20:57] japj: jonaslund: no the other dutch guy is ;)
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[20:57] jonaslund: japj: well the "terrible please fix me" loop is a big part of the bug :)
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[20:58] softdrink: is anyone familiar with juggernaut?
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[20:59] icebox: isaacs: Hello... I was wondering if you intend to add the following patch for cygwin env: https://github.com/isaacs/npm/issues/959#issuecomment-1587107
[21:00] japj: jonaslund: ok, that one is still present in https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/deps/uv/src/win/core.c#L125
[21:00] jonaslund: yeah i took a peek at master
[21:01] jonaslund: creating a github account now so i can comment on the bug
[21:01] japj: jonaslund: but if you can isolate this to a libuv issue it might be nice to make a test for it
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[21:01] jonaslund: it's both "node" and libuv and i don't really know the reasoning about all of that code
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[21:01] bnoordhuis: japj jonaslund: tests - yes please
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[21:01] japj: jonaslund: if we make a nice test, bnoordhuis will fix the bug ;)
[21:02] jonaslund: bnoordhuis: i made a condensed example for the bug-report
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[21:02] jonaslund: bnoordhuis: https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1371
[21:02] bnoordhuis: jonaslund: right, thanks
[21:02] jonaslund: I think i figured out what is going on aswell so i'm gonna write a comment on the problem
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[21:03] jonaslund: not sure "why" because the logic behind all the bindings evade me but i do see the particular issue
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[21:06] jonaslund: bnoordhuis: I added a comment on the workings of the bug
[21:06] jonaslund: bnoordhuis: you could take a peek if it applies to non-windows code
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[21:08] jonaslund: ev wrapper so i guess it's ok
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[21:09] jonaslund: japj: the "argh" code btw is in https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/deps/uv/src/win/loop-watcher.c
[21:09] jonaslund: most of that file is one big define :)
[21:09] japj: jonaslund: yeah ;)
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[21:11] Corren: I've hit a wall
[21:11] japj: why would you do that?
[21:11] japj: it hurts
[21:12] japj: jonaslund: I couldn't find NeedNextTickCallback should that be NeedTickCallback?
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[21:13] jonaslund: Yeah NeedTickCallback
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[21:14] mnaser: is there something in node.js similar to python for this:  "%d: printf like %s" % digit, string
[21:14] context: japj: no duplication, easier on compiler
[21:14] jonaslund: japj: I got confused since it's called from processNextTick inside node.js
[21:14] context: faster.
[21:14] bbigras__: Damn avg anti-virus thinks that http://registry.npmjs.org/mysql/-/mysql-0.9.1.tgz is a virus. 
[21:15] rhdoenges: lol antivirus
[21:15] tuhoojabotti: lol
[21:15] tuhoojabotti: virus
[21:15] jonaslund: context: you're talking about the big defines ?
[21:16] japj: context: ah the loop-watcher macro?
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[21:17] japj: context: I doubt it's easier on the compiler, since the preprocessor will handle that. it's more of an easier to maintain piece of repeatable needed code in a macro that way
[21:17] jonaslund: assuming the structs are identical, what should be done is to make the big chunks of code into a normal function and just define a couple of small wrapper functions
[21:18] jonaslund: however if the structs differ then the defines are "necessary"
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[21:18] japj: jonaslund:  the structs are different
[21:18] jonaslund: I made similar code for some automatic code generation for a small experimental JIT i made
[21:18] japj: jonaslund:  LOOP->next_##name##_handle = LOOP->name##_handles;
[21:18] jonaslund: however by the time i finished that i wondered why i didn't write a code generator :D
[21:19] japj: hehe
[21:20] jonaslund: japj: named differently yes, contentwise they actually have the same stuff
[21:21] jonaslund: https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/deps/uv/include/uv-win.h line 124 and forwards
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[21:22] japj: anyway, I'm off for tonight.. goodnight
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[21:23] context: japj: 'faster' in that we arent 'reusing code' causing more context switches.
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[21:31] Tobbe: I'm trying to create my first npm module, a google reader oauth lib. I think I'm done with the package.json file. Is there any way to ask npm to parse it to make sure it's sane?
[21:31] isaacs: Tobbe: npm ls will yell at you if it's not :)
[21:31] isaacs: Tobbe: you could also run through `npm init` which is a pretty ok sanity check.
[21:31] __directory: npm just shook me down for lunch money (and stole my cigarettes)
[21:32] isaacs: __directory: that's because cigarettes areno good for you
[21:32] rhdoenges: npm loves you
[21:32] rhdoenges: npm just wants the best for you
[21:32] mnaser: giving my question another shot -- is there something in node.js similar to python for this:  "%d: printf like %s" % digit, string
[21:32] jesusabdullah: npm hasn't taken MY cigarettes yet
[21:32] __directory: oh great, now npm is hitting on my wife...
[21:32] jesusabdullah: though it's been nagging me
[21:33] jesusabdullah: "c'mon duude"
[21:33] jesusabdullah: "cancer sticks, maan"
[21:33] jesusabdullah: "and why are you writing malformed json fo'srs"
[21:33] isaacs: mnaser: console.log("%s: printf like %s", digit, string)
[21:33] isaacs: mnaser: there's also a `sprintf` module in npm which is more fancy-pants
[21:33] Tobbe: isaacs: I ran "npm init" to get most of what I have in my package.json now. But "npm ls" says, among other things, "npm WARN Invalid range in engines.node.  Please see `npm help json` ~v0.4.9" That is one of the things npm init generated for me.
[21:33] jerrysv: Tobbe: remove the v
[21:34] mnaser: well that was a lot simpler than i thought it would be, thank you isaacs, ill also check out the npm sprintf module 
[21:34] isaacs: Tobbe: hm... that should be allowed.  what version of npm?
[21:34] Tobbe: 1.0.15
[21:35] isaacs: hm.  maybe that didnt' get in until 16 or 17
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[21:35] isaacs: oh, nope, apparently it's not fixed, i just thought about fixing it
[21:35] isaacs: hehe
[21:36] Tobbe: silly init to generate unsuported version strings :p
[21:36] isaacs: heh
[21:37] jerrysv: isaacs: didn't think so, i didn't get notification :)
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[21:37] Tobbe: so, my new lib is dependant on other libs. I've added them to my package.json file. Should I also install them in my module directory?
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[21:38] isaacs: Tobbe: ok, next version of npm will handle that properly
[21:38] Tobbe: nice
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[21:39] isaacs: Tobbe: yes.  npm will not publish them with your module unless they're on the "bundleDependency" list.
[21:39] isaacs: Tobbe: `npm install` (no args) will install them for you.
[21:39] isaacs: `npm install --save blah` will install 'blah' and also create a dependency entry for it
[21:39] __directory: oh that's nice
[21:40] Tobbe: and I should probably add node_modules to my .gitignore then, shouldn't I?
[21:40] isaacs: Tobbe: if you want
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[21:40] isaacs: Tobbe: npm will treat it specially no matter what
[21:42] Tobbe: what is npm trying to print in front of the dependencies of a package when doing "npm ls"?
[21:43] isaacs: Tobbe: lines.
[21:43] isaacs: Tobbe: post an issue if it's not working.  it'd be good to have a flag to fall back to the old-style +-- and `-- or something
[21:43] isaacs: Tobbe: or use iTerm2 with CentSchBook Mono, and enjoy unicode loveliness :)
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[21:44] Tobbe: isaacs: I'm using putty to ssh in to a virtual machine running debian. I have no idea where in that chain it breaks :p
[21:45] rhdoenges: it's putty probably
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[21:46] rhdoenges: check in the options for anything about charsets or "line-drawing characters"
[21:46] Tobbe: rhdoenges: you were right :)
[21:46] rhdoenges: Tobbe: fixed?
[21:47] guidocalvano: hey people 
[21:47] Tobbe: yes. Changed "Translation -> recieved data" from latin1 to utf-8
[21:47] Tobbe: now I get fancy lines :)
[21:47] guidocalvano: anyone know how I can get npm to reinstall my dylib, but not all my other files?
[21:48] mnaser: http://pastie.org/2245199 -- what's the proper control flow to make the function return results.pools ? i'm still a beginner and i can't find much on the net
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[21:52] mnaser: wow i guess it was a shocking question
[21:52] mnaser: h
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[21:52] mnaser: lol
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[21:54] guidocalvano: (:
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[21:54] techwraith: tjholowaychuk: Having some issues installing kue, I'm getting Error: ENOENT, No such file or directory '/Users/derickson/node_modules/kue/node_modules/cluster/package.json'
[21:55] Tobbe: isaacs: got "npm ERR! Failed saving /usr/etc/npmrc Error: ENOENT, No such file or directory '/usr/etc/npmrc'" when trying to add a user. Should that file be created when npm is installed? Or should I really have to go and touch it myself?
[21:55] TheJH: mnaser, you'll have to make exports.list async, too
[21:55] tjholowaychuk: techwraith: hm.. that's strange
[21:56] tjholowaychuk: maybe npm messed up a publish
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[21:56] tjholowaychuk: try rm -fr node_modules
[21:56] tjholowaychuk: and install again
[21:56] isaacs: Tobbe: why is it trying to save configs globally?  have you done `npm config set global true` or something?
[21:56] Tobbe: nope
[21:56] Tobbe: so no idea
[21:56] TheJH: mnaser, "exports.list = function(cb){" as first line and "cb(results.pools)" instead of the return
[21:56] malkomalko: say you have a file you are requiring, and in that file you are opening up some connection, something async when it gets required... is there a way to ensure when requiring the file to wait for that async operation to be finished?
[21:56] mnaser: TheJH: makes 100% sense!
[21:56] isaacs: Tobbe: gist `npm config ls`, please
[21:56] mnaser: thank you!
[21:57] TheJH: mnaser, no problem
[21:57] noderfs: any thoughts anyone?
[21:57] techwraith: no dice, any other ideas tj?
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[21:58] Tobbe: isaacs: https://gist.github.com/5df34fa8c0a9ac1811ea
[21:58] Tobbe: did that work? never created a gist before...
[21:58] tjholowaychuk: techwraith not sure, either npm is messed up, or the publish is/was messed up
[21:59] Nuck: Oooh yay smart people are on
[21:59] Nuck: Any of you smart folks suggest me a bug tracker for a corporate project?
[21:59] isaacs: Tobbe: oh, right, nvm, that's a bug, it's fixed in HEAD, but you have 1.0.15.  yeah, `mkdir /usr/etc` and it should work
[21:59] techwraith: Alright, I'll keep looking into it, could have something to do with me using nvm
[21:59] techwraith: I don't really have a need for it
[21:59] techwraith: I guess I'll just clean all that out and install node fresh
[21:59] Nuck: I'm using a self-hosted git repo running goitosis or gitolite, I can't recall which
[22:00] Nuck: And I plan to set up gitorious (sexy UI = win)
[22:00] Nuck: But I still lack a bug tracker
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[22:00] Nuck: And I really don't wanna resort to something like Mantis, because it makes me vomit.
[22:00] mnaser: TheJH: got it to work, had to make the other call async now, starting to make sense
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[22:01] mnaser: Nuck: why not use github?
[22:01] jesusabdullah: isaacs: Is npm having promblems right now?
[22:02] isaacs: jesusabdullah: should be working now
[22:02] isaacs: jesusabdullah: it was this morning a little
[22:02] jesusabdullah: Okay, I was getting some weird bugs trying to install something
[22:02] jesusabdullah: wait, I got those locally too when I tried to npm link
[22:02] jesusabdullah: very strange
[22:02] Tobbe: isaacs: ouch http://paste2.org/p/1531685
[22:03] Nuck: mnaser: It's corporate code.
[22:03] Nuck: I wouldn't entrust my secret sauce to somebody else 
[22:03] Nuck: I LOVE their bug tracker
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[22:03] Nuck: But I would not feel safe hosting my code with them
[22:04] mnaser: i see
[22:04] mnaser: hosted version?
[22:04] Nuck: Plus I'm really, really cheap.
[22:04] mnaser: they have an appliance
[22:04] konobi: it's expensive
[22:04] Nuck: mnaser: My budget is $0 of Open Source.
[22:04] techwraith: Nuck: Wow, you're the first person I've hear express that concern. It's been great so far :)
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[22:05] techwraith: Nuck: makes sense if you don't want to pay $12/month though I guess
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[22:05] Nuck: techwraith: I also don't wanna pay all the money to get a pro github though
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[22:05] Nuck: I don't have that kinda money
[22:05] mnaser: yet it's "corporate secret sauce"?
[22:05] Nuck: My account would be empty pretty fast
[22:05] Nuck: mnaser: Startup
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[22:05] mnaser: we've been in business for 6 years, operate an entire cloud hosting platform and all the code is placed on github private company account where devs commit
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[22:06] mnaser: granted we have our backups, but it's not a lot, and they're probably a lot more reliable to store your code than you
[22:06] jesusabdullah: isaacs: https://gist.github.com/1096041 Any ideas?
[22:06] mnaser: (and it's not like we're lacking the internal infrastructure for it either, private datacenter space, own network, etc)
[22:06] Nuck: mnaser: I just don't feel safe entrusting it to somebody else :P
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[22:06] Nuck: (plus we can do cool auto-public stuff)
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[22:06] mnaser: it's up to you
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[22:06] brainproxy: hmm, just tried to install v0.4.10 with npm; node d/l and compile works fine, but when it gets to npm install it's throwing:
[22:07] brainproxy: gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file
[22:07] brainproxy: tar: This does not look like a tar archive
[22:07] Nuck: Like, we can keep a stable branch which will be used to power our site
[22:07] Nuck: And when you push, it rolls out
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[22:07] jesusabdullah: isaacs: Same issue with latest npm
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[22:08] techwraith: Nuck: Github does that too ;)
[22:08] brainproxy: oh noze, it's an npm emergency!
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[22:08] Nuck: techwraith: I can roll out new code through github?
[22:08] Nuck: Wow
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[22:08] techwraith: http://help.github.com/post-receive-hooks/
[22:09] Nuck: Either way, I'm too cheap for that :P
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[22:10] Nuck: Eventually I want to build a bug tracker on node
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[22:10] brainproxy: Nuck: heard of anyone trying to port redmine to something node based?
[22:11] brainproxy: that seems like it would be a bear of a project
[22:11] felixge: isaacs: Error: ucs {bad_utf8_character_code}: airbrake/0.1.0 <--- getting this from npm
[22:11] felixge: is that some couch stuff?
[22:11] Nuck: that it does
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[22:11] spcshpopr8r: npn down?
[22:11] Nuck: but no, I would be building a bug tracker from scratch.
[22:11] spcshpopr8r: s/npn/npm
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[22:11] brainproxy: spcshpopr8r: something seems wrong, yes
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[22:12] spcshpopr8r: brainproxy: thanks
[22:12] felixge: isaacs: looks like a npm restart helped a year ago: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/nodejs/W15p0cDdTQg/j09XVHXse_IJ :)
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[22:12] felixge: * couch restart
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[22:12] brainproxy: maybe the radioactive hexagons that power isaacs servers have run out of juice
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[22:13] spcshpopr8r: seems a couple months ago something similar ended up relative to a bad package that was uploaded
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[22:13] spcshpopr8r: s/months/weeks
[22:13] Nuck: Radioactive hexagons?
[22:13] spcshpopr8r: 
ACTION losing track of time

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[22:13] Astro: epic npm outage due to unicode brokeness?
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[22:14] Nuck: the fuck
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[22:14] brainproxy: netsplit
[22:14] brainproxy: freenode network blip
[22:14] felixge: npm outage, yeah :(
[22:14] Nuck: usually that shows *.net *.split though :P
[22:14] jhurliman: npm broken :-\
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[22:15] malkomalko: yah, npm aint working for me either
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[22:15] felixge: bah
[22:16] felixge: I was just about to deploy something
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[22:16] yhager: Is this the place to discuss https://github.com/ry/http-parser ?
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[22:17] jhurliman: today is a holiday for everyone developing with node.js :-)
[22:18] bnoordhuis: yhager: give it a shot
[22:18] yhager: It's about the latest callbacks removal, https://github.com/ry/http-parser/pull/54\
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[22:18] bnoordhuis: yhager: go on
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[22:19] yhager: I am using this in C, and I do need the separation of url and query string. I understand the need for the change, but it would be nice if simple url parsing was provided as part of the library
[22:19] felixge: looks like npm is working aagin
[22:19] felixge: crazy couch stuff
[22:19] felixge: :)
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[22:20] yhager: bnoordhuis: so it would be a feature request, or an upvote for clifffrey's suggestion here https://github.com/ry/http-parser/pull/54#issuecomment-1591625
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[22:21] bnoordhuis: yhager: not unreasonable
[22:21] yhager: :)
[22:22] bnoordhuis: yhager: you get an upvote from me but it's mostly pgriess who maintains http-parser now
[22:22] yhager: bnoordhuis: so what's the best way to send him this message?
[22:22] bnoordhuis: yhager: open a feature request
[22:22] yhager: bnoordhuis: ok, thx
[22:22] bnoordhuis: yhager: pgriess has a point in that you're probably better off using a third-party lib
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[22:23] yhager: bnoordhuis: yeah, he's probably right, but it's a bit odd to use two libraries for simple HTTP parsing.. it was nice if one library did it all, like it was 4 hours ago ;)
[22:24] TheEmpath: gah
[22:24] TheEmpath: npm install socket.io failed: npm ERR! Error: ENOENT, No such file or directory
[22:25] TheEmpath: oh noes!
[22:25] bnoordhuis: yhager: agreed
[22:25] yhager: does github have a "feature request", or just issues?
[22:25] rhdoenges: open an issue but just put FEATURE REQUEST in the title of the issue
[22:26] rhdoenges: gh issues are kinda clinky
[22:26] rhdoenges: *clunky
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[22:26] addisonj: ugh, reading the ars review of lion, so apologetic towards the dumbification of OSX
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[22:30] Tobbe: isaacs: I ran "curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sh" again, so now I'm at 1.0.18 and adduser ran without errors this time :)
[22:30] isaacs: sweet
[22:30] isaacs: i guess it was fixed in the last release, not just HEAD
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[22:32] jhurliman: suggestions for an ec2 node library? basic start/stop server tasks
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[22:32] rudids: hi all
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[22:34] techwraith: tjholowaychuk: reinstalled node and npm and it works now. Damn nvm messing shit up
[22:34] rudids: any1 else having issues with npm tonight?  Both performance and availability?
[22:35] isaacs: rudids: yes.
[22:35] tjholowaychuk: techwraith weiird
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[22:35] rudids: isaacs: cool, just checking it's not just me.  My mac has had issues in the past.
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[22:36] mkrecny: AvianFlu: thoughts on github.com/mkrecny/http-dynamic based off of ur http-server
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[22:38] Tobbe: isaacs: these are the errors I didn't get http://paste2.org/p/1531685
[22:38] AvianFlu: It looks pretty cool, although I'm in no rush to run PHP or Ruby :-P
[22:38] Tobbe: (posted that link earlier, but not sure if you saw that)
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[22:42] mkrecny: AvianFlu: heh me neither
[22:42] mnaser: is there any "style reference" for node.js -- with all the callbacks, code is starting to look a bit messy..
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[22:45] Xeon06: Can anyone explain the rationale behind using single quotes in everything node related?
[22:46] tjholowaychuk: easier to look at
[22:46] joshontheweb: would node be an appropriate tool to proxy a video stream from one source to multiple clients?
[22:46] tjholowaychuk: it's irrelevant otherwise
[22:46] Xeon06: tjholowaychuk: Thanks
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[22:46] jerrysv: '"' looks better than "\""
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[22:47] joshontheweb: Xeon06 I think its also useful to use single quotes since you can put double quotes inside without escaping
[22:47] Xeon06: joshontheweb: True that
[22:47] joshontheweb: commonly done on client side with html strings and probably just bled over
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[22:49] CIA-107: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r332bbec 10/ src/uv-unix.c : uv-unix: defer uv_pipe_connect callback to next tick - https://github.com/joyent/libuv/commit/332bbecd19725ca4aeb66a9ab0efc4b1d9863d70
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[22:51] jesusabdullah: ' is easier to type for me XD
[22:52] CIA-107: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r1b0e054 10/ (lib/url.js test/simple/test-url.js): 
[22:52] CIA-107: node: url: throw descriptive error if url argument to parse() is not a string
[22:52] CIA-107: node: Fixes #568. - https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/1b0e054737b207977981e0fc818b013ba8bb0caa
[22:52] bnoordhuis: oh, he's on a roll!
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[22:56] jimmy: Does V8 crash on nginx and affect Node.Js. .. the creator of nginx has said v8 doesnt handle errors well on a server.
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[22:56] addisonj: hrm? struggling to parse that
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[22:57] dreamdust: @jimmy: V8 is bundled with node.js and doesn't have any relationship with nginx.
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[23:03] tcurdt: I have a file and I would like to read is synchronously ... I know - readFileSync ... but then I just have a Buffer ... and I would like to go through the Buffer with functions like skip() and readByte() ... is there something like that already somewhere?
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[23:07] bnoordhuis: tcurdt: you can pass an encoding to readFileSync
[23:07] SubStack: tcurdt: why do you want to read it synchronously?
[23:07] tcurdt: bnoordhuis: I am confused ... how is that related?
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[23:07] Xeon06: Any way to ask to press a key before closing terminal window?
[23:07] SubStack: in any case: http://github.com/substack/node-binary
[23:07] bnoordhuis: tcurdt: yeah, maybe i'm misunderstanding you
[23:08] bnoordhuis: what exactly do you want to do?
[23:08] Corren: jimmy: that article is quite old by now (09/06/2010)
[23:08] rhdoenges: tcurdt: is buffer.binarySlice() what you're looking for? you don't skip() around a Buffer
[23:08] Corren: I'm not sure it still has relevancy
[23:08] tcurdt: SubStack: it's reading a file on startup ... once ... no need to do that async ... makes going through the file easier
[23:08] rhdoenges: actually, just regular .slice works
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[23:09] rhdoenges: the only files you should read synchronously are files you cannot continue without for the remainder of the program -- configs, ~/.*rc, etc
[23:10] tcurdt: rhdoenges: think ByteArrayInputStream in java
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[23:11] rhdoenges: anything you can do with that you can do with fewer calls to buffer.slice
[23:11] tcurdt: SubStack:  uh ... that looks interesting
[23:11] pelechati: First time here. What up everyone?
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[23:11] rhdoenges: slice will skip and read all together
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[23:12] rhdoenges: pelechati: hi!
[23:12] tcurdt: bnoordhuis: yeah .. maybe I should start from the beginning I want to load a PNG file ... decode the format and get access to the pixels
[23:12] rhdoenges: tcurdt: are you writing a png library?
[23:13] tcurdt: rhdoenges: at least for reading
[23:13] rhdoenges: okay
[23:13] tjholowaychuk: why not use something that exists?
[23:13] tjholowaychuk: or just for fun?
[23:13] tcurdt: tjholowaychuk: pointers?
[23:13] bnoordhuis: tcurdt: a buffer is byte-indexable
[23:13] tjholowaychuk: node-png should do the trick i think
[23:13] tcurdt: it's fun too, though ;)
[23:13] bnoordhuis: tcurdt: simply say -> c = buf[1024]
[23:13] tjholowaychuk: if not node-canvas PixelArray
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[23:15] spcshpopr8r: hello all...I'm trying to get https://github.com/henryoswald/nowpad working on my box (would like to build an app around it), having trouble with running either of the examples: the basic one gives me http://pastie.org/2245614 ...
[23:15] rhdoenges: tcurdt: and if you want, say, 8 bytes starting at byte 16 of the PNG, you would do bytes = buf.slice(16, 24)
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[23:16] spcshpopr8r: ... and the ace demo starts up fine but doesn't appear to sync/update the documents, I get this message in the console: http://pastie.org/2245624 ...advice please?
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[23:17] tcurdt: tjholowaychuk: got a pointer to node-png? Google cannot seem to find it
[23:17] tjholowaychuk: tcurdt node's module page
[23:17] _sorensen_: https://github.com/pkrumins/node-png
[23:17] _sorensen_: that?
[23:18] tjholowaychuk: yup
[23:18] igl1: tcurdt: always check here https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/modules
[23:18] _sorensen_: does anyone else just tab search github?
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[23:19] tjholowaychuk: yeah i do
[23:19] rhdoenges: it's pretty handy
[23:19] _sorensen_: makes clearing out your history a pain thoug
[23:19] _sorensen_: lol
[23:19] tcurdt: igl1: feeling a little stupid ... I just found that for the first time
[23:20] igl: :)
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[23:20] _sorensen_: its a good'n
[23:20] tjholowaychuk: makes me rage that "local" without a port is a search though
[23:20] tjholowaychuk: chrome never seems to whitelist it for me properly
[23:21] _sorensen_: yeah i've raged a few times on that
[23:21] mikey_p: after hitting it once, chrome seems to remember for me
[23:21] mikey_p: even my random foo.crap.dev domains
[23:21] tjholowaychuk: i should start using hostnames anyway i keep getting caught with cached js n shit thinking my app is broken
[23:21] tjholowaychuk: but it's just js from a different app
[23:22] igl: id wish the search.npmjs would get a proper search
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[23:23] Nuck: Mantis or Redmine?
[23:23] bnoordhuis: rt!
[23:23] Nuck: bnoordhuiswhat?
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[23:25] bnoordhuis: Nuck: http://bestpractical.com/rt/
[23:26] Lorentz: I personally have redmine installed on my priv server
[23:26] Lorentz: trac at work, although they're moving to jist
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[23:27] Lorentz: Otherwise, github's issue tracker
[23:27] mikey_p: redmine++
[23:27] Nuck: I'm just trying to find a good issue tracker I can self-ost for now
[23:27] Nuck: I fully intend to build a lightweight one on Node eventually
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[23:28] mikey_p: Nuck: try redmine on heroku?
[23:28] Nuck: I'm looking at redmine on local
[23:28] mikey_p: and don't actually use redmine, use chilliproject
[23:28] _sorensen_: i just want a node app to sync my local and remote directories together
[23:28] mikey_p: Nuck: https://www.chiliproject.org/
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[23:29] chapel: what is there to use in nodeland to take a screenshot of a webpage and save as an image?
[23:29] bnoordhuis: chapel: the user
[23:30] Nuck: Browserling?
[23:30] chapel: snark need not apply, I know someone has done it already
[23:31] Nuck: chapel: No, it's not exactly possible
[23:31] Nuck: Not without a virtualized broser
[23:31] Nuck: HEnce browserlin
[23:31] Nuck: +g
[23:32] jesusabdullah: Yeah, you're probably either going to have to build up a bunch of crap yourself to do it---ie, open a web page, make sure it's full screened, and run a screenshot app
[23:32] jesusabdullah: or, use an api for something like browserling
[23:33] jesusabdullah: or, god forbid, saucelabs ;)
[23:35] rudids: any suggestions on best way to handle google authentication using openid or oauth any1?
[23:36] Nuck: rudids: *ne1
[23:36] Nuck: You need to abbrev more
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[23:36] mnaser: this is really silly but, is there a php equiv to this?  list($var1, $var2) = split("\t", $somearray)
[23:36] rudids: Nuck: :)
[23:37] systemfault: mnaser: No
[23:37] Nuck: mnaser: You mean a Node equicalent to that php?
[23:37] mnaser: i have tab delimited key/value data, so i'd much rather have key, value = key.split("\t")
[23:37] TheJH: mnaser, in coffeescript (language that compiles to javascript), there is
[23:37] mnaser: ah ok ok, so i'll just do a split, 0 is the key, 1 is the value
[23:37] tcurdt: SubStack: how would you skip n bytes with https://github.com/substack/node-binary ? buffer(...) ?
[23:37] mnaser: thanks again systemfault / TheJH!
[23:38] Nuck: mnaser: Loops 4 life
[23:38] mnaser: lol no need for a loop here, i have two items only
[23:38] Nuck: oh well that's easy as hell
[23:38] mnaser: thanks for the async suggestion btw, writes awesome control flow!
[23:38] mnaser: using async.forEach and so on
[23:39] Nuck: mikey_p: What's the difference between ChiliProject and Redmine?
[23:39] Nuck: Personally, I think Redmine looks better :/
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[23:39] mikey_p: Nuck: chiliproject is just a community fork, thats better maintained
[23:39] mikey_p: Nuck: they look 100% identical once their installed
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[23:40] Nuck: mikey_p: And can it handle redmine themes?
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[23:41] mikey_p: i'm not 100% on that , but generally it should
[23:41] mikey_p: they didn't fork that long ago
[23:41] benw_: tjholowaychuk: Thanks for your feedback on https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Async-Exception-Handling - Could you clarify what you mean when you say Connect already defers to a unified handler? I don't think it handles the case I'm describing, but I could be wrong.
[23:41] mikey_p: most plugins still work across both
[23:42] Nuck: OMG
[23:42] Nuck: 
ACTION drools over the gantt

[23:43] jesusabdullah: gantt >_<
[23:44] Nuck: 
ACTION goes to relearn the basics of rails :P

[23:44] Nuck: I haven't used Rails except once.
[23:45] __directory: what is a rails?
[23:45] Nuck: And that was to start a nice Mongo-Web-Admin server
[23:45] Nuck: (which, BTW, needs porting to Node)
[23:46] Nuck: (Seriously, it's the best Admin UI for Mongo ever.  I love the extended-console style)
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[23:49] _sorensen_: Nuck: better than rock mongo!?!?
[23:49] _sorensen_: :D
[23:51] Nuck: _sorensen_: linky and I'll judge ;)
[23:51] _sorensen_: http://code.google.com/p/rock-php/wiki/rock_mongo
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[23:54] xerox: do you recommend using 0.4.10 or .11 from github
[23:55] _sorensen_: for what
[23:55] telemachus: Is anyone running v0.4.10 on Lion? It builds fine, but the tests fail. Wondering if I should try another version or is it just Lion.
[23:55] xerox: for random developing of things
[23:55] xerox: for oneself, mostly
[23:56] xerox: telemachus: I'm about to, one of those
[23:56] ryah: telemachus: what's failing?
[23:56] _sorensen_: im on v0.4.9 now that i realized your talking about node...
[23:56] telemachus: ryah: I'll gist - one sec
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[23:57] __directory: I've had the Lion setup screen up for 3 hours.  Not sure I want to do it yet
[23:58] xerox: I'm compiling .11 on lion
[23:58] telemachus: __directory: One recommendation - make a bootable USB drive (both for a clean install and for other machines)
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[23:59] telemachus: Most things are going pretty well - Homebrew mostly good, few tweaks, rvm good, perlbrew - utterly no good (can't build Perls)
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[23:59] __directory: hmmmm
[23:59] telemachus: ryah: test-http-full-response is the failure https://gist.github.com/1096212
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