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[00:02] guybrush: finally we got a node-framework for every possible usecaes! https://github.com/mikeal/framework
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[00:15] Murvin: for Mongoose.connect().  how to set the timeout  in case the DB connection is broken?
[00:15] llrcombs: is there any possibility that Node.js will ever become multithreaded
[00:15] llrcombs: ?]
[00:16] Murvin: llrcombs: connect-cluster ?  is that what u looking for?
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[00:17] llrcombs: connect-cluster?
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[00:18] Murvin: go github
[00:19] llrcombs: not seeing it
[00:20] Murvin: oh.. just cluster
[00:20] CIA-107: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * ra29b209 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): 
[00:20] CIA-107: libuv: Make it possible to run individual tests.
[00:20] CIA-107: libuv: Fixes #100. - http://bit.ly/r0ntqZ
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[00:22] Murvin: any one know how to set timeout for DB connection?
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[00:25] Nuck: llrcombs: Multi-threaded ot multi-processor'd?
[00:26] Nuck: Multiple processors, no.  Multithreaded, no need, it's already async.
[00:26] Nuck: Ryan opted to go with a route wherein multi-processor support is gained by just spawning another instance
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[00:27] Nuck: Now, time for Mexican good for me 8D
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[00:31] abjorn: Does anyone know of any articles or anything (other than the one in the official docs) about making C++ Node extensions?
[00:32] TheJH: abjorn, https://github.com/isaacs/node-async-simple is a *very* simple example
[00:34] abjorn: kew
[00:34] abjorn: thanks
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[00:47] oeginc: Hello party people..
[00:47] oeginc: Has anyone developed a decent stable database abstraction layer for NodeJS yet?
[00:48] abjorn: Uhh, I made one for couchdb
[00:48] oeginc: I need one that is database agnostic
[00:48] abjorn: but that doesn't count, it's just HTTP requests lol
[00:48] oeginc: This project is starting out using MySQL, but I know I'm going to be migrating to Postgresql within the next year... I hate to have to rewrite everything
[00:49] konobi: Joose? maybe? perhaps?
[00:50] jerrysv: just released global.js -- it implements the "global pattern" for node.js
[00:51] jerrysv: available via npm "npm install global" or at https://github.com/JerrySievert/global
[00:51] jesusabdullah: what is the "global pattern"?
[00:51] jesusabdullah: It sounds bad
[00:51] jesusabdullah: but I will look!
[00:52] oeginc: Looks like shared memory for nodeJS apps
[00:52] jerrysv: it is AWESOME
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[00:52] jesusabdullah: Is it? XD
[00:53] jerrysv: AWESOME
[00:53] bnoordhuis: jerrysv: too much time on your hands? :)
[00:53] TheJH: jerrysv, that source code really is amazing!
[00:53] TheJH: jerrysv, it looks so... pure!
[00:53] jerrysv: bnoordhuis: i saw mikeal's framework, figured there needed to be something that could work with the output
[00:53] jerrysv: thejh: as pure as the snow
[00:53] TheJH: jerrysv, yes, right
[00:53] jesusabdullah: what is this I don't even
[00:54] jerrysv: jesusabdullah: check out the test.js for more info
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[00:54] jesusabdullah: Yeah, looking at it
[00:54] jerrysv: jesusabdullah: essentially, you can: var global = require('global'); - anywhere in any of your modules
[00:54] oeginc: So there is no database agnostic DAL for NodeJS yet from what I can tell... That kind of puts a kabosh on my plans.
[00:54] jesusabdullah: So why is /lib/global.js blank?
[00:54] jerrysv: and then whatever you set in that global namespace is available
[00:54] guybrush: 37bytes, sweet :D
[00:54] jesusabdullah: I feel like there's a joke I'm not getting
[00:55] jerrysv: jesusabduallah: because it works on exports -- you're just instantiating a shared "exports" from an empty module and using it
[00:55] jesusabdullah: o___o
[00:56] jesusabdullah: That works? :o
[00:56] jerrysv: and on that awesome note, i think i need to pack up and head home :)
[00:56] jerrysv: yeah
[00:56] jerrysv: and nobody else had released it
[00:56] guybrush: so what is the difference to ANY other package
[00:56] jerrysv: so ...
[00:56] guybrush: i mean
[00:56] jerrysv: guybrush: this one's only 37 bytes!
[00:56] guybrush: hihi
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[00:57] TheJH: jerrysv, don't you realize that you can just use the "global" variable? well, actually I assume that you do.
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[01:02] CIA-107: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07master * r4c2d054 10/ (include/uv-win.h test/dns-server.c test/echo-server.c): Whitespace fixes - http://bit.ly/oECoVm
[01:02] CIA-107: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07master * r4a6efee 10/ src/uv-win.c : uv-win: get rid of unused variables - http://bit.ly/pfxmql
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[01:03] CIA-107: libuv: Better request API
[01:03] CIA-107: libuv: Instead of uv_shutdown, uv_write, uv_connect taking raw uv_req_t we subclass
[01:03] CIA-107: libuv: uv_req_t into uv_shutdown_t, uv_write_t, and uv_connect_t.
[01:03] CIA-107: libuv: uv_req_init is removed. - http://bit.ly/oZgojd
[01:03] CIA-107: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07new-req * r9827fc8 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Improve request API (2) - http://bit.ly/nkEpFM
[01:05] CIA-107: libuv: 03Ryan Dahl 07new-req * r89dfd8b 10/ (10 files in 3 dirs): 
[01:05] CIA-107: libuv: Better request API
[01:05] CIA-107: libuv: Instead of uv_shutdown, uv_write, uv_connect taking raw uv_req_t we subclass
[01:05] CIA-107: libuv: uv_req_t into uv_shutdown_t, uv_write_t, and uv_connect_t.
[01:05] CIA-107: libuv: uv_req_init is removed. - http://bit.ly/mUguWW
[01:05] CIA-107: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07new-req * r438806e 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Improve request API (2) - http://bit.ly/ppQCH7
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[01:14] abjorn: Trying to compile a c++ node extension, anyone know what this is about?
[01:14] abjorn: /home/corey/local/node/include/node/uv-unix.h:27: fatal error: ev.h: No such file or directory
[01:14] abjorn: It should be on my path..
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[01:16] c4milo1: abjorn: using node 0.5.0? 
[01:17] abjorn: lemme check
[01:17] abjorn: v0.5.1-pre
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[01:20] abjorn: guess I'll try the 0.4 branch
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[01:24] abjorn: whoop 0.4 branch worked
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[01:28] CIA-107: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07new-req * r9bf2c1d 10/ include/uv.h : Define union uv_any_req - http://bit.ly/rgFOCM
[01:28] CIA-107: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07new-req * r268c680 10/ (3 files): Benchmarks use the improved request api - http://bit.ly/qk5Mws
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[01:34] CIA-107: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r86341f8 10/ Makefile : 
[01:34] CIA-107: libuv: Makefile: disable test-% and bench-% targets
[01:34] CIA-107: libuv: Targets bench-% and test-% mess up dependency resolution, disable for now. - http://bit.ly/qWZASZ
[01:34] CIA-107: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r9aff110 10/ test/runner.c : runner: bring back benchmark output - http://bit.ly/ocYprV
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[01:39] rook2pawn: are there any specifics on what constitutes a data event on a readable stream?
[01:40] rook2pawn: i have a readable stream on a stdout childprocess and at first it seems to trigger on newline, but then as the information "leaks" it seems cause a data event
[01:40] rook2pawn: if there is a slight pause on output on the childprocess
[01:41] rook2pawn: i.e. a data event per pause
[01:41] rook2pawn: 
ACTION is using node 0.4.9

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[02:01] CIA-107: libuv: Instead of uv_shutdown, uv_write, uv_connect taking raw uv_req_t we subclass
[02:01] CIA-107: libuv: uv_req_t into uv_shutdown_t, uv_write_t, and uv_connect_t.
[02:01] CIA-107: libuv: uv_req_init is removed. - http://bit.ly/qcwwOE
[02:01] CIA-107: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07new-req * rb744091 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Improve request API (2) - http://bit.ly/nX7siw
[02:01] CIA-107: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07new-req * rf2fd024 10/ include/uv.h : Define union uv_any_req - http://bit.ly/nRGZDB
[02:01] CIA-107: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07new-req * r24c7c93 10/ (3 files): Benchmarks use the improved request api - http://bit.ly/qNTRdS
[02:01] CIA-107: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07new-req * r37c244d 10/ (include/uv-win.h src/uv-win.c): uv-win: get rid of the uv_req_t.flags field - http://bit.ly/oQpivB
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[02:19] emacsen: anyone here use the async module?
[02:19] AvianFlu: yes
[02:19] AvianFlu: what do you want to know?
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[02:20] emacsen: AvianFlu, I'm trying to use it, and running into a couple of issues. Can I paste my code somewhere and maybe you can help me figure out why it's not running as I expect?
[02:21] emacsen: AvianFlu, http://dpaste.com/568144/
[02:21] emacsen: when I run that, it runs the UID function, and then just seems to sit there
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[02:22] emacsen: I also tried w/o those callback arguments to the function, since I don't see what they do. But that's from the documentation
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[02:26] AvianFlu: emacsen: I can't vouch for auto, I usually only use the specific methods
[02:26] AvianFlu: series, waterfall, etc
[02:26] AvianFlu: where's your callback though?
[02:26] chapel: thats the problem
[02:26] chapel: hes not using callbacks
[02:27] chapel: you have to call them emacsen
[02:27] chapel: you call the callback when you are done
[02:27] emacsen: chapel, I thought that's what async did for me, set the ordering and make the function calls based on requisite functions?
[02:27] chapel: well without a callback it doesn't know when you are done with the function
[02:28] chapel: https://github.com/caolan/async/blob/master/test/test-async.js#L11
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[02:28] chapel: notice that each of his tasks have a callback
[02:28] chapel: in that test
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[02:31] emacsen: chapel, ah. New errors but much further! Thanks!!!
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[02:32] Nuck: Aw damn, I had an idea for Caustic I wanted to suggest for tj :P
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[03:24] ajsie: Is node.js owned by Joyent?
[03:25] systemfault: I'd be surprised... joylent's website design is damn clean :P
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[03:25] systemfault: </troll>
[03:25] e6nian: ajsie: Node.js is a trademark of Joyent, 
[03:26] e6nian: ajsie: http://nodejs.org/trademark-policy.pdf
[03:26] davidbanham: The code itself is open sourced, however.
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[03:28] ajsie: okay so it's owned by Joyent .. they can do whatever they want with it
[03:28] ajsie: but it's open sourced for contributions and knowledge sharing
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[03:38] e6nian: ajsie: so you can fork it and rename it to Xnode.js or else what your want X)
[03:39] ajsie: cool
[03:39] ajsie: have my own version of node.js
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[03:39] ajsie: or contribute back =)
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[03:43] e6nian: ajsie: yeah 
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[04:25] perezd: hellol.
[04:26] perezd: so, anyone using the Actor model with NodeJS?
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[04:42] sublim21: hey all.  im trying to install node.js on windows and am following the guide listed here -> https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Building-node.js-on-Cygwin-%28Windows%29
[04:42] sublim21: just wanted to make sure that's the best way to install node.js on a windows platform
[04:43] perezd: ryah: you around?
[04:44] Prometheus: sublim21: there's better windows support coming
[04:44] Prometheus: sublim21: I believe it should be released soon
[04:45] sublim21: Prometheus: yes.  i read a post about ms helping out with it.  
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[04:45] Prometheus: sublim21: I'm not sure if 0.5.1 (which is due to land tomorrow) is the patch that will finalize the support
[04:45] sublim21: but i don't know when that's getting released, so my plan is to try the guide tonight, if it works, great.  if it doesn't im going to wait for the proper.  does that sound like a good lplan?
[04:45] ralphholzmann: is there a method available that merges two object literals together?
[04:45] sublim21: you gotta be kidding me if its coming out tomorrow
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[04:46] ralphholzmann: like jQuery.extend, but not using jQuery
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[04:46] Prometheus: sublim21: 0.5.0 has this: "New non-default libuv backend to support IOCP on Windows. Use --use-uv to enable. "
[04:46] Prometheus: but I know nothing of the windows support
[04:47] sublim21: that just sounds complicated.  us windows users only have like 25 brain cells.  if it's not an exe that automagically does everything for us, we get confused 
[04:47] Prometheus: sublim21: https://github.com/joyent/libuv
[04:47] Prometheus: sublim21: the exe is planned
[04:47] Prometheus: I'm not sure when that'll be, maybe tomorrow, but should be sooner rather than later I imagine
[04:48] sublim21: Prometheus: that would be great.  I can be your little test dummy :p
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[04:49] sublim21: getting node.js up and running is not currently a priority.  i just had some down time so i figured, why not try tonight?  but i'll only try a little and wait for the exe.  thanks for all the information though
[04:49] Prometheus: sublim21: for the time being, I would just use a virtual machine =)
[04:50] Prometheus: *much* easier
[04:50] Prometheus: (well, relatively speaking anyway)
[04:50] sublim21: never done a virtual machine before
[04:50] Prometheus: ah
[04:50] Prometheus: well, cygwin is slightly horrendous from what I can remember ;)
[04:50] perezd: anyone using web workers?
[04:50] sublim21: oh, is cygwin a vm?  in which case, i do have vm experience 
[04:50] Prometheus: sublim21: anyway, keep checking back from time to time, node.js evolves fast :)
[04:51] sublim21: yea.  everything evolves fast.  it sounds like you
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[04:51] sublim21: 're greatly involved in this project promethius, so thanks  for your work 
[04:51] Prometheus: I'm not acutally :/
[04:51] Prometheus: I'm just a monkey toying with it
[04:51] sublim21: 
ACTION removes thanks

[04:51] Prometheus: haha =P
[04:52] Prometheus: well I do hang out here and try to help where I can :)
[04:52] sublim21: its amazing how helpful people are when you ask them about something they know
[04:52] sublim21: they get all excited and wanna teach you EVERYTHING
[04:53] Prometheus: if they are enthusiastic about it, sure :)
[04:53] perezd: who wants to teach me about Actor models in NodejS!
[04:53] Prometheus: sublim21: that's what makes this industry so interesting, that the brightest of people share their knowledge for free ;)
[04:53] sublim21: hehe thats so true
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[04:54] Prometheus: knowledge and tools I should say
[05:00] mandric: how would i structure a module so that when you var foo = require('module'); foo is a function, do you do exports = function() { } in the module or something else?
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[05:04] perezd: mandric: yes
[05:04] perezd: module.exports = function()
[05:04] perezd: actor model? anyone? web workers? anyone?
[05:04] mandric: ok cool
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[05:04] mandric: will try that
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[05:17] mandric: thanks perezd 
[05:17] perezd: np
[05:17] mandric: should probably read up on this commonjs stuff more... 
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[05:19] Guest67408: yo, anyone have experience streaming audio from node.js to multiple users simultaneously?
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[05:44] sublim21: Prometheus: no luck man.  i keep getting some error that i can't remedy.  I'm going to wait for the exe to try again with node.js  thanks again for the help 
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[05:44] Prometheus: sublim21: alright, sorry I couldn't help you
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[06:16] shadow_s: is there any native way in paperjs to attach two items in such a way that one item is always attached to the a certain segment of the other, but if one gets rotated, it doesn't rotate the other?
[06:17] shadow_s: to *a certain segment
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[06:42] erenon: hi, according to a conversation we have several hours ago, here is my gist that demonstrates my problem: https://gist.github.com/1082040 what should I do to let my destructor run?
[06:43] mekwall: whats the easiest way to consume other web services with node? is there a lib for that?
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[06:43] ajsie: mekwall: HTTP?
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[06:44] mekwall: ajsie: depends... will be many different ones. in just this case it's a http rest ws that serves xml
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[06:45] ajsie: mekwall: Restful HTTP is pretty standard to communicate between services
[06:45] mekwall: yeah I know that :)
[06:46] ajsie: dont get your question
[06:47] mekwall: if there's a library that simplifies consuming of different web services, like soap, xmlrpc, jsonrpc etc.
[06:47] ajsie: okay
[06:47] ajsie: just know HTTP
[06:47] ajsie: i hope i haven't missed something :)
[06:48] mekwall: hehe
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[07:16] n2liquid: hey guys, I have a question regarding YouTube Cosmic Panda
[07:17] n2liquid: did you notice that some buttons change the page URL but somehow reuse the current DOM?
[07:17] n2liquid: I'd like to know how that happens
[07:17] n2liquid: any ideas?
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[07:18] Nuck: n2liquid: You prevent the click event from doing the default action (navigating) and change the address bar with a browser history update, then toss an AJAX'd in page for the final touch.
[07:19] n2liquid: Nuck: I guess the magical part happens with the browser history update, right?
[07:19] n2liquid: gonna check the APIs for that, thx a lot
[07:19] Nuck: n2liquid: As far as I know, yes.
[07:19] n2liquid: thanks
[07:19] n2liquid: Nuck++
[07:19] catb0t: Nuck now has 1 beer
[07:19] Nuck: But I'm gonna be doing lots more research on that topic too ;)
[07:20] n2liquid: haha
[07:20] n2liquid: I think that's really grear
[07:20] n2liquid: great*
[07:20] Nuck: n2liquid: I know that's how Facebook does shit, at least that's what I've been told.
[07:20] Nuck: I agree
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[07:20] Nuck: I'm using it on a site of mine, or at least, I plan to.
[07:20] n2liquid: is it online already?
[07:20] Nuck: Not yet
[07:20] Nuck: it's an art site, but we won't be launching for a little while longer :P
[07:21] n2liquid: I see
[07:21] n2liquid: good luck then
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[07:22] AAA_awright: Nuck: Which by the way how's it coming along?
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[07:22] Nuck: AAA_awright: Starting work on the website itself, hope to have the profiles done soon.
[07:23] Nuck: I'm just looking at how I'm gonna avoid making Spaghetti code out of it :P
[07:23] Nuck: And as it stands, tj's Caustic looks like a good contendor.
[07:24] AAA_awright: I have constant problems of making all my various libraries coherently mesh together
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[07:24] AAA_awright: They all only half work
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[07:24] Nuck: AAA_awright: I use jQuery, soooooo...
[07:24] Nuck: The general jQuery style is spaghetti code
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[07:24] Nuck: Which isn't very good.
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[07:25] Nuck: So I'm looking at a more managable View system, and Caustic, though still very new, seems VERY effective.
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[07:26] AAA_awright: Nuck: What is it?
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[07:26] AAA_awright: Do you have links?
[07:27] Nuck: AAA_awright: https://github.com/visionmedia/caustic
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[07:27] Nuck: AAA_awright: I swear, tj makes the best shit.
[07:27] AAA_awright: I wonder how he does it
[07:27] dgathright_: n2liquid: Search for "pushState()" to find more info about that new API.
[07:27] Nuck: dgathright_: I'm taking note of that too, I need to learn that shit lol
[07:28] dgathright_: n2liquid: Just trying to update that URL (document.location.href) will cause a new page load cycle
[07:28] Nuck: dgathright_: How good is compatibility across browsers?
[07:28] Nuck: AAA_awright: I don't know, but this is awesome magic.
[07:29] dgathright: Nuck: It's pretty sweet.  some say pushState is the biggest thing for the web since ajax.
[07:29] Nuck: dgathright: Seems like AJAX done right to me.
[07:29] tuhoojabotti: Indeed
[07:29] dgathright: Nuck: Firefox 4+, Chrome, & Safari.
[07:29] tuhoojabotti: I use replaceState too :D
[07:30] tuhoojabotti: no ajax for those losers who don't support it.
[07:30] tuhoojabotti: dgathright: Latest opera has it
[07:30] Nuck: Is it added to Modernizr yet?
[07:30] tuhoojabotti: 11.11 I think.
[07:30] dgathright: Github's repo browsing pages have been using it for a few months
[07:30] tuhoojabotti: Nuck: Ages ago, it's Modernizr.history
[07:30] Nuck: tuhoojabotti: Oh fuck yeah
[07:30] tuhoojabotti: That's what I use :P
[07:31] Nuck: tuhoojabotti: I can fall back to hashtag URLs for those cases :D
[07:31] tuhoojabotti: Nuck: I won't
[07:31] Nuck: And then if all else fails, go to static.
[07:31] tuhoojabotti: I use hashes for css accordion :D
[07:31] kbni: replaceState/pushState is the win
[07:31] kbni: I use it and nothing else
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[07:31] tuhoojabotti: kbni: \o
[07:31] kbni: if we use old technology, what incentive is there to update?
[07:31] tuhoojabotti: Yeah.
[07:31] tuhoojabotti: My site works without it, just doesn't use ajax then. :P
[07:32] Nuck: kbni: That possible for regular sites, but in this case, I'm trying to stick to AJAX wherever possible :P
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[07:32] Nuck: Seeing as I don't wanna hafta build two sites just yet X3
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[07:32] AAA_awright: I'm suprised Twitter hasn't adopted pushState
[07:32] Nuck: I'm just doing the AJAX version before I go to beta
[07:32] Nuck: Then I'm gonna switch off to have more fallbacks
[07:33] Nuck: What's IE's future support look like?
[07:33] Nuck: IE10?
[07:33] Nuck: I assume not in IE9, but IE10 is another great stride towards standards-compliancy.
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[07:35] Nuck: I killed the chat by mentioning IE, huh?
[07:35] tuhoojabotti: Yes.
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[07:35] Nuck: lol
[07:35] dgathright: AAA_awright: Twitter will eventually use pushState. See this post from a Twitter engineer. http://danwebb.net/2011/5/28/it-is-about-the-hashbangs
[07:35] AAA_awright: Hm
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[07:36] AAA_awright: The semantic web community knows exactly why, the SWIG mailing list has some pretty devistating critiques of the practice
[07:36] dgathright: "... Ben Cherry pointed this out and expressed that it wasn’t really hashbangs that were the problem and that they were merely a temporary work around until we get pushState support."
[07:36] AAA_awright: But how hard is pushState
[07:37] dgathright: not hard
[07:37] AAA_awright: They have to check if the function exists and replace a few lines
[07:37] [AD]Turbo: hi there
[07:37] AAA_awright: They haven't done that yet?
[07:37] AAA_awright: You shouldn't use #! even if there's no pushState
[07:37] Nuck: I plan to
[07:37] Nuck: But I'll do that in JS
[07:38] tuhoojabotti: JS :O
[07:38] tuhoojabotti: omg
[07:38] tuhoojabotti: Why would you do that?
[07:38] Nuck: The links will actually be normal links
[07:38] tuhoojabotti: :D
[07:38] dgathright: Hah, it's almost like what is the point? They've already locked themselves into a lifetime of supporting client-side hashbang routing.
[07:38] AAA_awright: exactly dgathright
[07:38] tuhoojabotti: Nuck: My links are normal links, they just preventDefault
[07:38] AAA_awright: You can't serve an HTTP redirect
[07:38] AAA_awright: It breaks the web
[07:39] tuhoojabotti: The web is broken :D
[07:39] tuhoojabotti: dial with it
[07:39] tuhoojabotti: (the modem)
[07:39] Nuck: just /user/username and whatnot, but if they have JS, it'll try to pushState, but if that fails, it'll fallback to hashbangs.
[07:39] AAA_awright: I want to make it less broken
[07:39] tuhoojabotti: Nuck: Hashbangs don't work if the guy using the link doesn't got JS on.
[07:39] AAA_awright: I implemented a site with #! myself... I ditched it, I wouldn't do it again
[07:39] tuhoojabotti: Biggest problem with then.
[07:39] tuhoojabotti: them'
[07:40] Nuck: tuhoojabotti: Hence why that's in the JS and not in the anchor
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[07:40] tuhoojabotti: Nuck: But, if the guy who gives the link to the guy has js on
[07:40] tuhoojabotti: and the guy who recevies it doesn't.
[07:40] Nuck: tuhoojabotti: Then hopefully he has pushState lol
[07:40] tuhoojabotti: That needs JS too...
[07:40] Nuck: otherwise, all I can say is "deal with it"
[07:40] tuhoojabotti: Yeah.
[07:41] tuhoojabotti: That's why I only use pushState.
[07:41] Nuck: tuhoojabotti: Aye, but pushState gives a regular URL
[07:41] Nuck: So I can fallback on static
[07:41] tuhoojabotti: I got tired of saying Deal with it to everyone :D
[07:41] Nuck: And if all else fails, fall back to hashbangs.
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[07:41] tuhoojabotti: Yeah.
[07:41] Nuck: tuhoojabotti: I'll probably put a <noscript> on the default page :P
[07:41] tuhoojabotti: I have one too.
[07:41] tuhoojabotti: "Please enable JavaScript, I beg you! You're missing out! I'll go away then. :3"
[07:42] tuhoojabotti: On the bottom left corner :D
[07:42] Nuck: To tell people without JS that if their URL has "#!", they're on the wrong page lol
[07:42] AAA_awright: Nuck: My RDF framework doesn't support # urls at all, even though technically RDF allows a hash-URI as a resource... It does support prefixes with a # and if you want to use a URI with a # you must use a prefix
[07:43] AAA_awright: Mostly, you can't render a page that was requested with a #
[07:43] Nuck: I'm debating how to do the AJAX shit.  I'm thinking I'll just use a simple function for the onclick property or something.
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[07:44] Nuck: How do you guys progressive-enhance the pushState stuff?  Do you use onclick attributes or click handlers?
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[07:44] tuhoojabotti: No.
[07:44] tuhoojabotti: attributes can go to hell.
[07:44] tuhoojabotti: :D
[07:44] tuhoojabotti: $(link).clicl(); :D
[07:44] tuhoojabotti: click*
[07:44] dgathright: Nuck: My personal opinion is don't bother with hashbangs.  Use whatever is easiest if you can't support pushState, but don't worry about the supporting the actual "hashbang" protocol as proposed by Google, unless SEO is absolutely critical.
[07:45] Nuck: I'm thinking something like `ajaxThatShitIn('/url/to/api/call')`
[07:45] Nuck: dgathright: Hashbang protocol?
[07:45] tuhoojabotti: Nuck: It's a protocol you know.
[07:45] AAA_awright: Nuck: The great thing is with something like Jade or similar, you can render the page server side or client side... Is that how you're doing it?
[07:45] dgathright: Nuck: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2009/10/proposal-for-making-ajax-crawlable.html
[07:45] Nuck: I was just talking about taking my pushState URLs and tacking #! in front of the directory
[07:46] AAA_awright: Send the HTML if you request a URI, or request the JSON for another page
[07:46] tuhoojabotti: _escaped_fragment_=hashbanghere
[07:46] AAA_awright: and render it client side and use .pushState
[07:46] tuhoojabotti: :P
[07:46] Nuck: AAA_awright: Actually, I'm using my own APIs.
[07:47] Nuck: It's not a small site, it's a big thing.
[07:47] AAA_awright: Nuck: You can use the same library to render server or client side, right?
[07:47] Nuck: AAA_awright: Nope
[07:47] AAA_awright: That's how I would do it, and expect it to be done, that's the very strength of Node.js
[07:47] Nuck: I don't use a template on the server-side, actually
[07:47] Nuck: I don't have server-rendered pages yet :P
[07:47] AAA_awright: Exactly the same way you would on the client?
[07:48] Nuck: Probably not
[07:48] AAA_awright: I can call the same function to render a page with Jade
[07:48] Nuck: I use DOM manipulation
[07:48] AAA_awright: Or you can use server-side DOM, too
[07:48] AAA_awright: That sounds better, actually
[07:48] Nuck: Unless tj makes Caustic work on the server, I don't expect to be using the same code on there
[07:48] Nuck: I'll probably just take my Static HTML design templates and reapply it
[07:48] Nuck: And build EJS off it
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[07:50] Nuck: AAA_awright: Still not sure how to call on my APIs from a webserver.
[07:50] Nuck: I wanna keep my API server separate
[07:50] Nuck: Since the API is a core function, and if my site goes down, the API can survive.
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[07:51] AAA_awright: How many processes is this divided into?
[07:51] Nuck: 2.
[07:51] Nuck: API server
[07:51] Nuck: And then a web server.
[07:51] Nuck: Plus a file server for hosting the images.
[07:52] Nuck: Since that's binaries, I want something like Nginx.
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[07:52] AAA_awright: Of course
[07:53] Nuck: Somebody get me a free copy of colloquy mobile :P
[07:53] Nuck: I wanna IRC on my phone X3
[07:53] AAA_awright: So I hit the web server for my award-winning portrait of something
[07:53] AAA_awright: What happens
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[07:54] Nuck: AAA_awright: The page for the artwork?  Depends if you loaded it via AJAX or a refresh or something
[07:54] tuhoojabotti: Shit hits the fan
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[07:54] AAA_awright: Nuck: Maybe I should add that to my IRC client todo
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[07:54] AAA_awright: Nuck: I click a link on an IRC client, say, so fresh load
[07:54] tuhoojabotti: Nuck: Wait, you were talking about the new devianart?
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[07:54] AAA_awright: tuhoojabotti: Shhhhhhhh
[07:54] tuhoojabotti: debianart, wait what
[07:55] morgoth85: hi guys
[07:55] tuhoojabotti: morgoth85: Hello
[07:55] Nuck: AAA_awright: Then the web server will either hit up the API or access the DB directly (not sure which is better)
[07:55] Nuck: And then toss the results of the info lookup to EJS
[07:55] morgoth85: I want to read file by using: fs.readFile - I cannot pass file name with relative path - any clues how to do that?
[07:55] Nuck: Which then spits out a full page
[07:55] Nuck: With images loaded off the nginx
[07:55] tuhoojabotti: morgoth85: Why can't you? :u
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[07:56] morgoth85: it doesn't work
[07:56] morgoth85: when I'm passing whole path (/home/path/to/my/file) - it's fine
[07:56] AAA_awright: Nuck: The API serves JSON data or similar?
[07:57] Nuck: AAA_awright: Aye, JSON
[07:57] tuhoojabotti: morgoth85: I remember that there was some issues with it.
[07:57] tuhoojabotti: But can't remember what :D
[07:57] tuhoojabotti: JSON<33
[07:57] morgoth85: relative paths doesn't work ;)
[07:57] tuhoojabotti: Yes, that was it!
[07:57] Nuck: It's a RESTful API that spits out JSON
[07:58] Nuck: They haven't fixed that yet?
[07:58] Nuck: Really?
[07:58] Nuck: Wow.
[07:58] AAA_awright: Nuck: So why can't the web server just emulate the web browser for the initial request, and render a complete HTML page
[07:58] Nuck: That's... Rather sad.
[07:58] Nuck: AAA_awright: Huh?
[07:59] Nuck: AAA_awright: I'm debating whether it'd be more efficient to call on the API or to contact the DB directly
[07:59] tuhoojabotti: morgoth85: What's your node version?
[07:59] morgoth85: 0.4.8
[07:59] morgoth85: 0.4.9
[07:59] tuhoojabotti: Update :P
[07:59] tuhoojabotti: Oh
[07:59] Nuck: lol
[07:59] tuhoojabotti: morgoth85: Try 0.5.0 or wait for 0.5.1? :D
[07:59] Nuck: 0.5.0 is out, AFAIK
[07:59] tuhoojabotti: Nuck: I know it is.
[07:59] morgoth85: yes, but it's marked as unstable
[07:59] morgoth85: I will try
[08:00] Nuck: morgoth85: All odd numbers are unstable, evens are stable.
[08:00] Nuck: That's the second digit, mind you
[08:00] AAA_awright: So here's how I see it working
[08:00] Nuck: the 0.x.0
[08:00] tuhoojabotti: morgoth85: It's just fancy talk, I've been using 0.5.0 preview from the beginning and it's been working fine :D
[08:00] AAA_awright: I think it would be a good idea to use the same code client side and server side... You have a view library that modifies the page, a DB layer that produces an object
[08:00] tuhoojabotti: I should update though.
[08:01] morgoth85: ok, I will look if this problem is still present in 0.5.0
[08:01] AAA_awright: The view library is loaded in the web browser, and used by the web server to render a static page upon demand
[08:01] Nuck: AAA_awright: The way I do development, I build a static example page
[08:01] Nuck: And then I lodge the dynamic bits within that
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[08:01] Nuck: For the server, not using DOM is probably better
[08:01] AAA_awright: Except, the web server uses the DB abstraction layer, whereas the client calls the API, which converts abstraction->JSON
[08:01] Nuck: And EJS is probably faster
[08:02] Nuck: AAA_awright: There isn't an abstraction layer, it's direct database access lol
[08:02] AAA_awright: Yeah wrong word
[08:02] AAA_awright: Database layer
[08:02] Nuck: The API and whatnot are coded to use Mongo-native
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[08:03] Nuck: AAA_awright: I'm debating how to handle that shit, honestly.  It's a pain to use a server-side DOm library, but client-side EJS is jsut sloppy.
[08:03] Nuck: And don't even get me STARTED on Jade/HAML
[08:04] AAA_awright: I think I have before
[08:04] Nuck: yeah, I hate them a lot :P
[08:04] AAA_awright: jade cleanly compiles to a DOM tree so I don't see the problem, personally
[08:04] AAA_awright: It's just a cleaner format of the same data
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[08:04] Nuck: AAA_awright: I disagree, I think it's a worse format
[08:05] AAA_awright: There's everything wrong with using whitespace in code
[08:05] AAA_awright: There's nothing wrong with giving whitespace meaning in data
[08:05] Nuck: It's not the whitespace
[08:05] Nuck: It's just retarded
[08:05] AAA_awright: It is for me. You like python at all?
[08:05] Nuck: abstraction layers, guys
[08:06] AAA_awright: Nuck: Jade does abstraction, you just can't see it right away
[08:06] Nuck: What was it that Ryan said in his explanation od Node.js?  Oh yeah, "Abstractions suck"
[08:06] Nuck: And I fucking agree.
[08:06] AAA_awright: Not like that
[08:06] Nuck: AAA_awright: I like to deal with my raw result.
[08:06] Nuck: I hate abstractions.
[08:06] Nuck: Because I think it's uneccessary.
[08:07] AAA_awright: But the thing is you aren't
[08:07] AAA_awright: You're dealing with DOM, not HTML
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[08:07] AAA_awright: the HTML is just one format
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[08:07] AAA_awright: The DOM is the raw result
[08:07] Nuck: AAA_awright: Jade is a layer around HTML
[08:07] AAA_awright: Not exclusively
[08:07] Nuck: Which is a layer around DOM
[08:07] Nuck: So yes, it matters.
[08:07] AAA_awright: You can compile directly to DOM
[08:07] AAA_awright: Or to compressed XML
[08:08] Nuck: AAA_awright: Doesn't make it suck less.
[08:08] Nuck: It's a hideous ofrmat
[08:08] Nuck: It's like somebody decided to take my beloved HTML and smear feces all over it.
[08:08] Nuck: I don't approve.
[08:09] AAA_awright: I don't see it, really. You can still use plain old HTML, which is useful for formatting
[08:09] AAA_awright: and inline tags, <b> and whatnot</b>
[08:09] morgoth85: Realtive paths in 0.5.0 also doesn't work
[08:09] morgoth85: I will open an issue for this
[08:10] AAA_awright: (You have to break out the XML parser for it, but you do for Markdown and whatnot else Jade supports, too)
[08:10] Nuck: AAA_awright: It's just a shitty style.  I never liked any of those retarded HTML-raping things.
[08:10] Nuck: I've been working in HTML for almost half my life.
[08:10] AAA_awright: What's so special about HTML though?
[08:10] Nuck: I'm accustomed to it, for one.  And another is that it provides me with clear indication of a block.
[08:11] tuhoojabotti: :D
[08:11] Nuck: It LOOKS like a dom model and not an ASCII artwork
[08:11] tuhoojabotti: Clear flexible box model
[08:11] Nuck: Which you can't argue the same for Jade and HAML
[08:11] AAA_awright: JSON can carry the same data, http://www.w3.org/XML/EXI/ is another way to carry the data
[08:11] Nuck: AAA_awright: And it's just as retarded.
[08:12] Nuck: I never used jQuery templates, I never used Ruby, I never used Python.  And why?  Because they all didn't work for me.
[08:12] Nuck: They all look hideous.
[08:12] AAA_awright: Nuck: Jade looks like a tree, that doesn't imply, no, scream DOM to you?
[08:12] Nuck: jQuery templates are just silly.
[08:12] AAA_awright: I've stayed away from such jquery stuff
[08:12] Nuck: AAA_awright: Not at all, it looks like an aborted fetus got slapped onto a computer screen to me.
[08:13] AAA_awright: Uh huh
[08:13] Nuck: But no, it looks like ASCII art to me
[08:13] Nuck: Which just never worked for me.
[08:13] AAA_awright: In... what way?
[08:14] AAA_awright: Any objective critique? I'd like to know to see if there's some way I can adapt it
[08:14] AAA_awright: Isomorphism between data<->formatting is a deep interest
[08:15] Nuck: It looks like somebody decided to do an ASCII art data tree out of items, but instead of categorizing things by name or a logical and lax symbol scheme (such as in markdown), they decided to slap a random symbol for each item.
[08:15] Nuck: It also sorta reminds me of reading somebody else's pseudocode.
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[08:15] Nuck: (mine is pretty simple, it's annotated JS)
[08:15] Prometheus: Nuck: it's like haml =P
[08:16] Nuck: Prometheus: Shit, from where I'm standing, it IS HAML.
[08:16] Prometheus: haml looks and feels like shit
[08:16] Nuck: I have never seen much of a difference.
[08:16] Prometheus: as far as I'm concerned
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[08:16] Nuck: Prometheus: I agree on the looks.
[08:16] Nuck: I just assume that it felt the same as it looked
[08:16] Prometheus: =P
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[08:17] AAA_awright: Nuck: Where do you see the ASCII? HTML has far more non-alphanumeric characters
[08:18] AAA_awright: Usually ASCII implies no readable text
[08:18] AAA_awright: ASCII art I mean
[08:18] Nuck: AAA_awright: This reminds me of somebody trying to do a tree view in a CLI.
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[08:19] Nuck: It looks good, but it's a bitch to hand-type and I wouldn't wanna hafta remember the formatting style.
[08:19] Nuck: Whereas with HTML, I can guess at the tags I don't know.  Like, do I need a section?  Thats <section>.
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[08:20] Nuck: How about italics?  Oh right, <i> (well, not anymore, but it's still good for emphasis, since it's supposedly still legal in HTML, just deprecated)
[08:20] Nuck: As for regular block-level nodes, I've learned <div> works well
[08:20] Nuck: And for inlines, <span>
[08:20] Nuck: IT's really simple.
[08:20] Nuck: And I can not worry about formatting.
[08:20] Nuck: I just put the tags whereever the fuck I want
[08:20] AAA_awright: And that's not the case for Jade?
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[08:21] Nuck: AAA_awright: As I understand, whitespace matters.
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[08:21] AAA_awright: Indentation, yes
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[08:21] AAA_awright: That's not how you already write HTML?
[08:21] Nuck: I do my own freeform formatting styles; that is, I format it however looks best.
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[08:21] Nuck: AAA_awright: I indent
[08:21] AAA_awright: Block level elements are indented, inline elements are... Inline
[08:22] Nuck: AAA_awright: And how do I do an inline element?
[08:22] Nuck: This oughta be funny.
[08:22] AAA_awright: #id-of-my-dif Here comes some <b>bold</b> text
[08:22] tuhoojabotti: <strong>!!!
[08:22] AAA_awright: *div
[08:23] AAA_awright: But I don't necessirially want emphasis, and I'm lazy yo type out those 6 characters twice anyways
[08:23] AAA_awright: :p
[08:23] Nuck: AAA_awright: <strong> is bold.
[08:23] AAA_awright: tuhoojabotti: Yes you're right
[08:24] Nuck: I STILL don't see the big deal with <b> and such being so wevil
[08:24] Nuck: -w
[08:24] sriley: not really strong is strongly emphasised, it just so happens that its commonly rendered in bold
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[08:24] tuhoojabotti: Yeah
[08:24] Nuck: It still seems silly to me that <b> and <i> and <u> are all so evil
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[08:24] tuhoojabotti: I'd emphasize strong with rainbow colors and underline.
[08:24] sriley: but you shouldnt rely on that fact, nor should you use strong over em for bold because of thats its default state you use it if you want more emphasis than emphasis
[08:24] Nuck: to me, they jsut seem logical.
[08:26] sriley: nuck to a non visual agent <b> <i> and <u> and all other presentational markup means nothing
[08:26] Nuck: fair enough
[08:26] Nuck: Same goes for any other HTML though
[08:26] sriley: html should be semantic and style goes in the css
[08:26] Nuck: Well, most HTML
[08:26] AAA_awright: It comes down that Jade does two things: It represents the DOM tree and blocks of my document in a very concise manner, and it adds Javascript expressions as part of the document
[08:26] wao: es
[08:26] Nuck: sriley: How is <em> not a style thing?
[08:26] AAA_awright: The first is why most users like it, the second reason I listed is why I use it
[08:26] sriley: cos it stands for emphasis
[08:27] AAA_awright: For of RDF javascript literals
[08:27] Nuck: AAA_awright: The first is why I hate it, the second is just sorta silly.
[08:27] AAA_awright: *For javascript literals in RDF
[08:27] Nuck: Since I can do the same in EJS
[08:27] AAA_awright: Not quite
[08:27] sriley: so in a spider that could imply add more weight to the text, to a screen reader might be read louder, for a visual renderer it might be render in bold
[08:28] Nuck: sriley: Meh, I guess that sorta makes sense :/
[08:28] AAA_awright: EJS would do #2 if I could do, for instance, <div title=((new Date).getTime()) />
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[08:28] Nuck: AAA_awright: Not quite.
[08:29] sriley: however i do agree that ive never seen any point in jade, just makes maintenance etc a lot worse. eg try hiring a web developer that has even heard of jade
[08:29] AAA_awright: Noting that it's a javascript expression and not a quoted string literal
[08:29] sriley: same goes for that coffeescript abomination
[08:29] Nuck: I just do <div title="<%= Date.now() %>" />
[08:29] Nuck: AAA_awright: Done.
[08:29] AAA_awright: sriley: But that's nothing to do with design
[08:29] AAA_awright: Nuck: Which doesn't mean the same thing
[08:29] AAA_awright: It might output the same thing
[08:29] Nuck: Also, new Date.getTime is bad practice, AAA_awright.
[08:30] Nuck: AAA_awright: How not?
[08:30] AAA_awright: Nuck: What's the correct way
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[08:30] Nuck: It's the exact same thing
[08:30] AAA_awright: Because it's inside a quoted literal
[08:30] Nuck: AAA_awright: Not sure, I just guessed Date.now()
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[08:30] Nuck: AAA_awright: What the fuck is the difference?
[08:30] Nuck: Why does that matter?
[08:30] Nuck: IT's the same exact thing.
[08:30] AAA_awright: No, it outputs the same exact thing
[08:30] Nuck: It's just two ways of representing it.
[08:31] AAA_awright: Because that means different thing as a data model
[08:31] Nuck: I'd be willing to wager it parses damn near identically, AAA_awright.
[08:31] Nuck: AAA_awright: That's retarded.
[08:31] Nuck: Like, completely.
[08:31] [AD]Turbo: http://blog.av-jyo.com/2011-07/how-to-develop-porn-website-with-nodejs.html
[08:31] Nuck: [AD]Turbo: FUCKING AWESOME
[08:31] AAA_awright: With <div title=(whatever)>, the value of the title attribute IS a Javascript expression
[08:32] AAA_awright: With EJS, it's setting the value of title to a string, of the result of the expression
[08:32] Nuck: [AD]Turbo: D: TRanslate it for meh.
[08:32] AAA_awright: If that makes any sense. With the former, I could typeof(someTag.getAttribute('title'))=="function"
[08:33] Nuck: AAA_awright: Um, once it's parsed to XML or HTML, it's not a JS expression.  Its the same as in EJS.
[08:33] Nuck: AAA_awright: So?  I don't do DOM manipulation on the server-side
[08:33] [AD]Turbo: Nuck, I've used Chrome ranslation
[08:33] Nuck: It's probably better :P
[08:33] AAA_awright: But I'm not conserned about evaluating it, I'm conserned about what it's carrying, uh
[08:33] AAA_awright: The variable in there might be undefined at runtime
[08:34] AAA_awright: I want to examine the unevaluated DOM tree
[08:34] AAA_awright: Before it's rendered
[08:34] AAA_awright: And use that to extract information... if that makes any sense
[08:35] AAA_awright: Nuck: What I'm doing is I'm using javascript expressions to compile a database query
[08:35] Nuck: AAA_awright: It doesn't it seems like a one in a million chance to hit that would only happen if you were TRYING to hit that problem.
[08:35] Nuck: AAA_awright: Then I jsut set a variable?
[08:35] Nuck: I don't need to use a DOM to store data
[08:35] Nuck: That's just silly
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[08:36] AAA_awright: I mean, what I'm doing is I don't want to have to pass any data to the template, the template should objectively identify the data it's consuming
[08:36] AAA_awright: And then a database, from that information, is generated, which the template uses whenever it's rendered
[08:36] Nuck: AAA_awright: I don't mind passing data to my template.
[08:36] AAA_awright: *database query
[08:36] Nuck: I pass it my database every time.
[08:37] Nuck: Because I keep a connection open
[08:37] Nuck: And queue shit onto that.
[08:37] Nuck: Okay, not so much "queue" as "chuck haphazardly"
[08:37] shadow_s: alright, since everyone seems a bit more active now, i'll ask my question again. is there any native way in paperjs to attach two items in such a way that one item is always attached to a certain segment of the other, but if one gets rotated, it doesn't rotate the other?
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[08:38] AAA_awright: shadow_s: If by more active do you mean two people debating the respective merits of HTML versus Jade to represent DOM data? What is paperjs, btw?
[08:39] Nuck: AAA_awright: My thoughts exactly.
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[08:40] shadow_s: AAA_awright: pretty much, and it's a graphics scripting framework for javascript... i actually heard about it in this channel so i was hoping the same people would around, haha
[08:40] shadow_s: would be*
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[08:45] AAA_awright: I don't even know how to describe what I'm imaginging it's so innovative, or something. I'm trying to embed all the infromation you need to rener a page, within the page. The upside is you can extract the *very same data* used to generate a rendered page, from that page
[08:46] Nuck: AAA_awright: That's a silly idea.  There's a reason we ahve shared variables
[08:47] Nuck: AAA_awright: Also, the word is "encapsulation:
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[09:04] AAA_awright: Nuck: I'm not sure if that's what it is... It's more like storing your website in an XML database, and using CSS to style it for end users. The content you display IS the data you used to render the page. Well, most of us don't use XML databases, how else are you supposed to get the original, unformatted data?
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[09:05] AAA_awright: I imagine there's some tags you could use for relational data... For MongoDB I imagine it's simple, just use Javascript expressions. For RDF, use javascript expressions in RDFa tags.
[09:06] tuhoojabotti: AAA_awright, Nuck: Get a room ":D"
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[09:09] Nuck: tuhoojabotti: We have one
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[09:09] Nuck: It's called #node.js
[09:09] tuhoojabotti: Carry on then.
[09:09] Nuck: So suckit bitch.
[09:09] Nuck: lol
[09:09] tuhoojabotti: But actually, this is a channel.
[09:09] tuhoojabotti: We're in IRC you know.
[09:09] Nuck: tuhoojabotti: Fuck IRC terms, it's a chatroom.
[09:10] tuhoojabotti: No.
[09:10] Nuck: AAA_awright: That sounds like, ya know, a bad idea.
[09:10] Nuck: tuhoojabotti: It's not a NickServ, it's a login.
[09:10] Nuck: Duh.
[09:10] Nuck: And it's not a nick, it's a username.
[09:10] Nuck: And it's not a horribly crippled protocol, it's state-of-the-art.
[09:11] tuhoojabotti: handle
[09:11] tuhoojabotti: not username :u
[09:11] AAA_awright: chatroom is more generic I guess
[09:11] Nuck: tuhoojabotti: IT'S A USERNAME >:C
[09:11] tuhoojabotti: No.
[09:11] AAA_awright: It's a username AND a nickname
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[09:12] AAA_awright: My username is AAA_awright, but I also have a nickname which is AAA_awright_ and a few others
[09:12] AAA_awright: Got the difference?
[09:12] AAA_awright: Gd
[09:12] AAA_awright: *Good
[09:12] AAA_awright: Nuck: What about that makes it a bad idea? It keeps the data isomorphic to the presentation
[09:12] Nuck: I have Nuck, NuckingFuts, NuckingFuts|Away, and Nuck|Mobile
[09:13] tuhoojabotti: I have tuhoojabotti and tuhis.
[09:13] tuhoojabotti: my "handles"
[09:13] Nuck: I'm prepared for when I have enough money that shelling out $3 for Colloquy Mobile won't seem so major :P
[09:13] Nuck: tuhoojabotti: My handles are on my drawers.
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[09:52] industrial: I'm using supervisor atm to start my node server for development. When it breaks it keeps restarting, flooding my terminal, ramping up my CPU etc
[09:53] industrial: Is it possible to have it not restart after a failure?
[09:53] industrial: it should stop
[09:53] industrial: and then start again when I write the file
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[09:59] micheil: industrial: hmm, try forever.
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[10:38] dexter_e: What is the easiest Time and Date method?  Isn't it a part of every request?
[10:38] baudehlo: new Date() ?
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[10:41] dexter_e: Whoa really?
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[10:42] Evanlec: so what ya'll think about Jade? I'm in love with it personally
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[10:59] eldios: Evanlec, me too.. jade is really too beautiful to not be (ab)used =) 
[11:00] eldios: guys do you have any gist/tutorial/site on how to accomplish auth with nodejs + express ?
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[11:02] Evanlec: eldios: its wonderful, the cleanest more concise html syntax ive ever seen
[11:03] eldios: \o/
[11:03] Evanlec: eldios: makes me want to switch to node right away just for that
[11:03] Evanlec: I'm a django guy, but their template system is..eh, run of the mill
[11:03] eldios: eheh
[11:03] Bwen: what... node.js does not have a templating system built-in... node.js is a server
[11:03] Evanlec: course I can combine them
[11:04] Evanlec: Bwen: yes, I am aware of that thank you
[11:04] Bwen: so you want to switch to node.js for its templating system? O.o
[11:04] Bwen: plz dont say jade :P
[11:04] Evanlec: Bwen: well, I was being sarcastic
[11:05] Evanlec: but it is a nice templater
[11:05] Evanlec: havent tried stylus yet, but that also looks excellent
[11:05] Bwen: well good thing is you can make your own! just like you want it to be :D
[11:06] Evanlec: Bwen: ... you can make your own template system for any framework/language
[11:06] Evanlec: but why reinvent the wheel
[11:07] Bwen: cuz apparently none of them is like you wanted to be :D
[11:07] Bwen: want them to be*
[11:08] Bwen: there is a brown virus that seems to have took hold of the nodejs.org O.o
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[11:13] industrial: Does nodej/v8s include a command/options to check files for syntax errors?
[11:14] Evanlec: Bwen: when did i say that?
[11:16] Bwen: Evanlec: when you were being sarcastic? Sorry i'm still waking up, lol :P
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[11:17] Evanlec: Bwen: its k, I havent slept ;p
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[11:19] futuredarrell: Evanlec: using jade too, its pretty awesome and the new mixins are sweet
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[11:23] Evanlec: futuredarrell: new, as opposed to old?
[11:24] futuredarrell: as in they were just added
[11:24] Evanlec: futuredarrell: oh, well I just discovered it, like what for ex?
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[11:25] futuredarrell: Evanlec: http://tjholowaychuk.com/
[11:25] futuredarrell: permalink: http://tjholowaychuk.com/post/7590787973/jade-mixins-includes
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[11:26] Evanlec: man, this is just the thing i've been looking for
[11:26] Evanlec: writing html by hand, even with a gazillion vim plugins, still tedious
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[11:28] Evanlec: futuredarrell: thx
[11:29] Evanlec: futuredarrell: woudl you mind sharing anything you've done in node? (not necessarily jade)? tryig to decide if I should jump ship from django yet
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[11:29] Evanlec: *anyhing recent I mean
[11:30] futuredarrell: heh, im still working on my first app so probably not the best person to show
[11:31] Evanlec: oh ok, me too ;)
[11:31] industrial: What is the namespace for ObjectId? I want to do a find on id, we are using the ObjectID's in the URL of a REST API. in mongo; db.User.find({'_id': ObjectId('4e1da5ec30044b85fe47a28d')}); gets my result but what do I require to get ObjectId in nodejs?
[11:31] industrial: (node-mongodb-native)
[11:32] Evanlec: hmm
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[11:34] Evanlec: industrial: probably something related to BSON
[11:35] Evanlec: industrial: what modules are you currently requiring?
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[11:37] industrial: Evanlec: mongodb.BSONNative.ObjectID(); got it :)
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[11:37] Evanlec: score!
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[11:39] Evanlec: industrial: mongodb seems like a good fit for nodejs 
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[11:49] eldios: HOLY CRAP! JADE includes ftw!! \o/
[11:49] eldios: finally!
[11:49] tuhoojabotti: WTF
[11:49] tuhoojabotti: No wait, FTW
[11:49] eldios: :P
[11:49] eldios: \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ 
[11:50] Evanlec: eldios: yay
[11:50] Evanlec: node + jade + mongo = bliss
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[11:51] eldios: I have to take one of those MONGO SAAS free acconuts
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[11:53] Evanlec: eldios: where at? link me!
[11:54] eldios: gotta look for in my mail.. but there'es lots of 'em out there 
[11:54] eldios: just google it
[11:54] Evanlec: eldios: like, free mongodb hosting?
[11:54] Evanlec: its pretty lightweight to run on my own machine/webserver
[11:54] eldios: yes 
[11:55] eldios: but having it in the cloud saves you from some headaches
[11:55] eldios: even more if it's only for testing
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[11:56] tmedema: Is there a library that provides bidirectional streams? In order words, a writable stream that is also readable. 
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[11:58] Evanlec: tdegrunt: socket.io?
[11:59] tdegrunt: jikes what did i do? :)
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[12:00] eldios: tmedema, everystrem is read/write if you say so
[12:01] tmedema: eldios: then how would you create such bidirectional stream?
[12:02] eldios: tmedema, gotta go take something to eat but bb in 15minutes
[12:02] eldios: start take a look here
[12:02] eldios: https://github.com/eldios/janus-node/blob/master/janus-client.js
[12:02] eldios: it's streaming client I did
[12:02] eldios: basically it takes two read/write streams and mangle them
[12:02] eldios: when I'll be back we can talk a bit more on this
[12:02] eldios: later
[12:02] tmedema: eldios: roger that
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[12:05] Evanlec: is socket programming easier in node than in most other languages>?
[12:06] supastuff: most likely, yes
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[12:06] Evanlec: cool
[12:06] Evanlec: I was reading tat even in py it was a bitch
[12:06] supastuff: well, you do need to understand what you're doing, concept wise
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[12:19] tuhoojabotti: http://i.servut.us/i/plasmad.png :D
[12:19] tuhoojabotti: New extension icon
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[12:27] tmedema: https://gist.github.com/1082356 is this all that is needed to create a bidirectional stream?
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[12:40] mobius_: hi, i've created a small tcp server where clients can connect to and wait for events. I was now thinking of getting a cluster infront of my server to utilize the multiple cores. I however would like to have one array containing all clients connected to any node server instance. is this somehow possible?
[12:40] tuhoojabotti: mobius_: You just simply have to program it.
[12:42] mobius_: tuhoojabotti, hm, I don't think it's that simple. say 10 clients connect to instance 1 and 5 more on instance 2. each instance has an array containing only the clients connected to it, while I would like to be able to send events from a central point to clients nomatter where they are connected
[12:42] cjm: mobius_ I would use redis
[12:42] tuhoojabotti: Make the specs first
[12:43] mobius_: cjm: yeah ok redis is the first thing that came to mind. but what can you store in redis? a node-instance id and a client-id?
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[12:43] cjm: and then pub/sub channels if you need more resolution from there
[12:43] mobius_: so one could say go to node-instance 4 and send event to client-id 128?
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[12:44] cjm: yea, there are some frameworks that do this right out of the gate, like socketstream
[12:44] bnoordhuis: tmedema: you'll need to implement write(), pause() and resume() methods
[12:44] tmedema: bnoordhuis: hmm, are these not implemented in Stream?
[12:45] bnoordhuis: tmedema: oh, and probably setEncoding(), destroy(), destroySoon() and end() too
[12:45] bnoordhuis: tmedema: no
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[12:45] bnoordhuis: tmedema: have a look at lib/stream.js, Stream is pretty bare bones
[12:46] cjm: mobius_ check out https://github.com/socketstream/socketstream
[12:46] tmedema: bnoordhuis: ah right, I gave it a look but figured most of it was made in C or something. You don't happen to know if someone already made a bidirectional stream?
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[12:46] bnoordhuis: tmedema: felixge made this: https://github.com/felixge/node-passthrough-stream
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[12:46] bnoordhuis: tmedema: but that's probably not quite what you're looking for
[12:47] bnoordhuis: tmedema: but (too many buts) maybe it can serve as inspiration
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[12:48] xerox: I know 2 things with which you can do that
[12:48] ash___: hi, i need so me architectural help
[12:48] xerox: let me look them up
[12:48] ash___: id like to build a job queue, which can have dependcies
[12:48] xerox: https://github.com/learnboost/cluster is npm install cluster
[12:48] xerox: https://github.com/nodejitsu/node-http-proxy explained on their blog
[12:48] ash___: job c only starts when job a, b have finished etc
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[12:49] tmedema: bnoordhuis: https://github.com/felixge/node-passthrough-stream/blob/master/lib/passthrough_stream.js looks like he did not implement all the methods you mentioned
[12:50] ash___: any ideas ?:D
[12:50] tmedema: also, should he not call Stream.call(this) ?
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[12:52] bnoordhuis: tmedema: felix's passthrough stream predates a number of stream additions
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[12:52] tmedema: bnoordhuis: I see, I guess simply doing emit('end') is not all there is to implementing the end function either
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[12:55] bnoordhuis: tmedema: no
[12:55] bnoordhuis: tmedema: the stream api needs cleaning up
[12:55] bnoordhuis: tmedema: but that's probably not going to happen before 0.7
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[12:56] tmedema: bnoordhuis: I see, maybe I should wait a bit then
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[13:01] blup: ash___: https://github.com/caolan/async
[13:02] ash___: thanks blup 
[13:02] ash___: i used that
[13:02] ash___: i was thinking more on a lowerlevel
[13:02] ash___: so a persistent job queue
[13:02] ash___: rather than in 1 single node process so to speak
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[13:04] eldios: tmedema, already got it?
[13:04] tmedema: eldios: no, not really
[13:04] tuhoojabotti: m-must get coffee
[13:04] tuhoojabotti: c-can't work without
[13:05] blup: 
ACTION  insert bad coffeescript joke here

[13:06] tuhoojabotti: I was wating for that.
[13:06] eldios: lulz
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[13:06] eldios: tmedema, any gist of your trials?
[13:06] tuhoojabotti: waiting*
[13:06] tmedema: eldios: https://gist.github.com/1082356 ^_^
[13:07] blup: speaking of, apart from the small syntax differences, is there a big difference between coffeekup and jade?
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[13:09] eldios: from doc
[13:09] eldios: Streams are readable, writable, or both. 
[13:11] Ezku\: blup: coffeekup is just coffeescript, but jade - afaik - is a template language
[13:13] eldios: tmedema, you probably need buffers
[13:13] eldios: have you tried accomplish what you want with buffers?
[13:14] tmedema: eldios: I simply want to create a writable stream that can also be read, should comply with strings and buffers
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[13:14] tmedema: but it sounds like its not a trivial task
[13:15] bnoordhuis: tmedema: but not impossible either
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[13:15] eldios: I think that doing such a thing with buffers is the best solution in you case
[13:15] TheJH: is there something like "call myself with these arguments" without the function having an explicit reference to itself?
[13:15] bnoordhuis: tmedema: make it nice and general and you'll score a hit on npm
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[13:16] gf3: TheJH: arguments.callee IIRC
[13:16] tmedema: I may, not sure though, I merely needed it to make felixge's node-formidable comply with streams
[13:17] felixge: tmedema: hopefully I can get to do that so
[13:17] felixge: * soon
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[13:17] tmedema: felixge: oh hey, that'd be great
[13:17] TheJH: gf3, works, thanks!
[13:20] blup: anyone experienced with node.io? my process works fine with one worker, but if i use --fork or max: 10, it seems to work but the thread hangs indefinitely at the end (and its not faster at all as one would expect). btw, what's the difference between the two?
[13:20] blup: multiple threads vs multiple workers?
[13:20] industrial: What am I doing wrong here? http://images.gammatester.com/pics/167138b287b50fdb7614ac5374eb3151.png
[13:20] industrial: (trying to send a POST with some JSON)
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[13:21] industrial: it chokes on the content-type
[13:21] eldios: industrial, should the key be put inside " "
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[13:22] industrial: eldios: right, the real problem however is that by req.body is empty.
[13:22] industrial: or rather, undefined
[13:22] industrial: I am using connect.bodyParser();
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[13:23] industrial: I'd expect my JSON there
[13:27] tdegrunt: industrial: run the json through http://jsonlint.com/
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[13:27] tuhoojabotti: JSON<3
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[13:38] taf2: i love bind
[13:38] taf2: we go out on dates
[13:38] tuhoojabotti: Bing
[13:38] eldios: I just spoke in person with a guy from joyent °_°
[13:39] taf2: https://gist.github.com/1082469 
[13:39] tuhoojabotti: eldios: Liek irl?
[13:39] taf2: eldios, you are my hero :)
[13:39] taf2: 
ACTION is serious

[13:39] eldios: tuhoojabotti, yes
[13:39] tuhoojabotti: :O
[13:39] eldios: taf2, thank you.. why do I have such an honor? :)
[13:39] tuhoojabotti: eldios: picproof?
[13:39] taf2: cause joyent is cool :)
[13:40] CIA-107: libuv: 03Igor Zinkovsky 07new-req * rf5ff869 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): allocate windows pipe handles on demand - http://bit.ly/nrhnnD
[13:40] CIA-107: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07new-req * r13683f8 10/ (7 files in 3 dirs): 
[13:40] CIA-107: libuv: Merge remote branch 'origin/master'
[13:40] CIA-107: libuv: Conflicts:
[13:40] CIA-107: libuv:  src/uv-win.c - http://bit.ly/oqeHEF
[13:40] tuhoojabotti: taf2: You're cool.
[13:40] CIA-107: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07new-req * r60a4847 10/ (include/uv-win.h include/uv.h src/uv-win.c): Fix busted merge, simplify pipe accept logic on windows - http://bit.ly/n0m2S5
[13:40] eldios: tuhoojabotti, hell.. I can try that =)
[13:40] tuhoojabotti: :P
[13:40] industrial: tdegrunt: I have a correct JSON string
[13:40] tuhoojabotti: In IRC, your words aren't enough.
[13:40] industrial: but stil not getting a req.body
[13:40] eldios: ahaah
[13:41] eldios: let me think how should I put it .. -_-W
[13:41] tuhoojabotti: eldios: You can also choose to come here to say it to me.
[13:41] tuhoojabotti: :D
[13:41] eldios: they're in a meeting.. maybe later
[13:41] eldios: I  will send an sms to one of the ppl in the meeting
[13:41] industrial: eldios: \m/ -_- \m/
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[13:41] tuhoojabotti: eldios: Just bash right in
[13:41] tuhoojabotti: :D
[13:41] eldios: just did
[13:41] tuhoojabotti: No pic?
[13:41] eldios: to gave a phone back to one person
[13:41] eldios: I cannot do that twice.. would be unpolite
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[13:42] tuhoojabotti: mm-m
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[13:45] eldios: sms sent
[13:45] eldios: let's hope my boss won't kill me :P
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[13:46] tuhoojabotti: lololol
[13:46] eldios: yay!
[13:47] eldios: PIC granted
[13:47] eldios: later =)
[13:47] tuhoojabotti: :D
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[13:49] augustl: off topic: spotify.com just launched in the US, I has invites, let me know if you want one
[13:50] eldios: :( damn country base black-listing :(
[13:50] tuhoojabotti: lol spotify.
[13:50] tuhoojabotti: They don't even have good music ;)
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[13:51] augustl: seems like all none US spotify accounts have 30 invites, so it's not like they're very exclusive tho
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[13:53] tuhoojabotti: eldios: I'd use Google's Music service, but surprisingly, it's US only!
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[13:56] eldios: °_°
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[13:56] augustl: well obviously
[13:57] eldios: that sentence started in the wrong way =)
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[13:57] tuhoojabotti: Hm?
[13:57] augustl: because if paid content was available to more people, there'd be more piracy
[13:57] augustl: right?
[13:57] tuhoojabotti: available?
[13:58] tuhoojabotti: If paid content was available to everyone, no one would need piracy :D
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[13:58] augustl: no, no. The reason people pirate stuff is because it is so easy to pirate digital media. So DRM is the only solution.
[13:58] augustl: right?
[13:59] tuhoojabotti: DRM done right perhaps
[13:59] tuhoojabotti: I bought some blurays, guess if I can still watch them? :D
[13:59] eldios: DRM is EVIL
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[13:59] tuhoojabotti: I got some trial shit to play it, but only on ONE monitor
[13:59] eldios: and augustl is a troll
[13:59] eldios: =)
[14:00] TheJH: tuhoojabotti, DRM done right? as in "decrypt and copy-protect in the brain"?
[14:00] tuhoojabotti: TheJH: I was referring to the fact that there is no such DRM.
[14:00] tuhoojabotti: :D
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[14:00] tuhoojabotti: atm I'm using audiogalaxy
[14:01] tuhoojabotti: but it needs my pc online at home
[14:01] tuhoojabotti: which kinda sucks
[14:01] eldios: tuhoojabotti, so you kinda stream music you actually have at home?
[14:01] tuhoojabotti: Yes.
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[14:02] tuhoojabotti: not kinda.
[14:02] TheJH: tuhoojabotti, why don't you sync it?
[14:02] tuhoojabotti: Exactly.
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[14:03] tuhoojabotti: TheJH: I don't want to sync stuff to my work pc.
[14:03] tuhoojabotti: Or if I lend someone's pc
[14:03] TheJH: tuhoojabotti, ah, ok
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[14:03] tuhoojabotti: Google Music would be nice
[14:03] tuhoojabotti: But this'll do.
[14:03] tuhoojabotti: And Grooveshark ;)
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[14:07] eldios: I use grooveshark
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[14:09] tuhoojabotti: Bad UI though
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[14:10] eldios: yep.. too heavy
[14:11] eldios: also being bound to user-shared music is bad (ID3 all messed up, not everything online)
[14:11] tuhoojabotti: 20% on the Intel Atom eeepc I used last week :D
[14:11] tuhoojabotti: Yeah
[14:11] eldios: last.fm would be quite nice.. but it misses something plus it's payed
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[14:13] slaskis_: tried spotify?
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[14:13] tmedema: Using grooveshark as well, shame it has connectivity issues quite regularly, other than that it's OK
[14:14] tmedema: got the mobile version as well
[14:14] tmedema: it's more bugged than the desktop one
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[14:14] eldios: slaskis_, cannot.. I'm from Italy
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[14:14] Prometheus: eldios: of course you can, use a proxy =)
[14:14] eldios: alsoI'm on Linux
[14:14] slaskis_: eldios: aah, bummer
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[14:15] Prometheus: also, spotify is available on linux =)
[14:15] tuhoojabotti: spotify doesn't even have good music :P
[14:15] Prometheus: that's debatable ;)
[14:15] tuhoojabotti: I know it handles offline music too.
[14:16] Prometheus: only if you have premium subscription =)
[14:16] tuhoojabotti: I just wish audiogalaxy had linux server :D
[14:16] slaskis_: it lacks alot of good stuff i agree
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[14:17] Prometheus: blame record labels for that =P
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[14:17] eldios: so.. a good proxy to try spotify? :)
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[14:18] tuhoojabotti: Prometheus: If the music has more than 1 listener, it's too mainstream for me!
[14:19] tuhoojabotti: http://fi3.eu.apcdn.com/full/42642.jpg But yeah.
[14:19] tuhoojabotti: I'm soo tired
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[14:21] eldios: tuhoojabotti, AHAHAH
[14:21] eldios: tuhoojabotti, timezone?
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[14:22] tuhoojabotti: gmt+2 or 3
[14:22] tuhoojabotti: prolly 3
[14:22] tuhoojabotti: No wai
[14:22] vns: hey guys, I have a weird problem with express - I am running my application on a remote host and I am accessing it via an SSH tunnel. When I access the pages I get no session cookies, so sessions don't work. Same application works fine on localhost. Any ideas?
[14:23] tuhoojabotti: GMT+3 yes.
[14:23] tuhoojabotti: summer time that is.
[14:23] kevin__: need help installing node.js in windows 7
[14:23] eldios: tuhoojabotti, why are you that tired then? not slept last night?
[14:23] dtan: not sure vns, you can also ask in #express
[14:23] tuhoojabotti: eldios: Precisely my dear eldios.
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[14:23] tuhoojabotti: My parents are on holiday :S
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[14:24] kevin__: need help installing node.js in windows 7
[14:24] tuhoojabotti: cmd node.exe
[14:24] kevin__: need help installing node.js in windows 7
[14:24] tuhoojabotti: kevin__: Download and run?
[14:25] tuhoojabotti: :D
[14:25] Prometheus: kevin__: we heard you the first time :)
[14:25] slickplaid: Wait, you need help with what?
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[14:26] kevin__: i am a beginner in node.js..and i have a project with node.js..so ineed to install in windows 7..i have some prblems in ./configure
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[14:27] eldios: kevin__, please behave. Spamming your message flooding the chan will only get you in ppl ignore list with MUCH less possibilities receiving help
[14:27] tuhoojabotti: Kevin who?
[14:28] tuhoojabotti: Oh the guy who I ignored.
[14:28] tuhoojabotti: ":D"
[14:28] kevin__: im sorry
[14:28] tuhoojabotti: no problem.
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[14:29] kevin__: So what OS is the best for node.js?
[14:29] xerox: not windows :P
[14:29] tuhoojabotti: linux<3
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[14:30] tuhoojabotti: Best for everything ":D"
[14:30] blup: that goes for everything else too ;)
[14:30] blup: damn, beat me to it
[14:30] bnoordhuis: kevin__: you'll need cygwin for now
[14:30] bnoordhuis: but linux is probably your best pick, yes
[14:30] kevin__: yes i already i have..i only strugle in ./configure and make
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[14:31] marcinkuzminski: Hi, i'm writing a node.js app using socket.io that suppose to connect to http server that opens a persistent event driver connections and sends pure json on output, i test it via curl http://myeventserver, i want to connect to it using node should i use http.request for that ?
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[14:32] eldios: XD
[14:33] tuhoojabotti: eldios: Got the pic yet?
[14:33] bnoordhuis: kevin__: pastie or gist the build output
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[14:35] eldios: no sorry to keep you up =)
[14:35] eldios: I suppose we'll have to wait a bit for that..
[14:35] tuhoojabotti: Well I'm still at work so I can't sleep too much anyways.
[14:35] eldios: XD
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[14:51] keyvan: mscdex: are you around?
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[14:56] tmedema: In Linux, if I have 200 processes that have a niceness of 10 and 1 process (a webserver) with a niceness of 0, is the webserver guaranteed to be given enough processing time to handle incoming connections?
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[14:59] bnoordhuis: tmedema: that depends on scheduler and cgroups settings
[15:00] mscdex: keyvan: yep, kinda
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[15:00] bnoordhuis: tmedema: btw, higher niceness means lower priority
[15:00] tmedema: bnoordhuis: hmm, I suppose default settings won't suffice. I guess I have to study the scheduler more
[15:01] tmedema: bnoordhuis: I know, the webserver has highest priority, thus it has lowest niceness
[15:01] bnoordhuis: tmedema: i retract my last statement - i misread it as the web server running at niceness 10
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[15:01] bnoordhuis: tmedema: hah, right :)
[15:02] tmedema: bnoordhuis: the reason I ask is because I have ffmpeg processes running in the background, together with an instance of my webserver (I have multiple nodes)
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[15:03] tmedema: I need to somehow make sure that however many conversions are taking place, the webserver will still be able to handle requests
[15:03] tmedema: at the moment I just set the niceness of the childs to 10, but not sure if that is enough
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[15:09] bnoordhuis: tmedema: you're not working for transloadit, are you?
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[15:11] eldios: OFF TOPIC
[15:11] eldios: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L45qUFabR0
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[15:13] eldios: last one.. I PROMISE
[15:13] eldios: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIRtMSfbj34
[15:13] eldios: AHAHAHAHAHAHAH MMA fight.. DOUBLE KO! Only seen in Street Fighter 2 so far
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[15:20] futuredarrell: say whaaaaa
[15:20] futuredarrell: http://twitter.com/#!/jsmag/status/91493165453950976
[15:20] futuredarrell: benchmarks needed yo
[15:21] mscdex: keyvan: what's up?
[15:21] keyvan: mscdex: awesome thanks for responding
[15:21] keyvan: mscdex: node-ncurses segfaults on me, i was hoping you could help me. i cant load any of the examples.
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[15:22] keyvan: mscdex: im usually good at figuring out these things, but i truly don't know whats going on.... i started implementing my own gui system as a result--it's fun, but i think its probably better to use ncurses, so i wanted to use your extension
[15:23] mscdex: keyvan: hmm, what os and node version?
[15:23] keyvan: mscdex: Mac OS X 10.6.7 , node v0.5.0-pre
[15:23] mscdex: keyvan: and is it really a segmentation fault or is it another error?
[15:24] keyvan: a segfault for sure, but i'll reinstall/recompile and tell you in a minute. by the way this is the project i am doing that i want to use it for: https://github.com/keyvanfatehi/nim
[15:24] mscdex: ok, i haven't tested on 0.5.x yet
[15:24] keyvan: please please please can we get it working on 0.5.x ? XD
[15:25] keyvan: if its a javascripty thing, i can try to do it if you dont feel like it, if you give me some hints--i just dont know how to debug segfaults
[15:25] mscdex: i'm afraid to test with 0.5.x until i know everything is fully implemented
[15:25] keyvan: if it's a C++ thing, chances of me being able to do it are pretty slim but still possible as i do have good c/c++ experience
[15:25] mscdex: heh
[15:26] keyvan: oh i see it's still a WIP
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[15:26] mscdex: it should work fine on 0.4.x at least
[15:26] mscdex: i'll give 0.5.x a whirl here and see
[15:27] keyvan: mscdex: okay, so long as a smart engineer such as yourself is actively try to fix node-ncurses, i will downgrade my project for the time being
[15:27] keyvan: (for 0.5)
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[15:28] keyvan: thank you
[15:28] Aikar: http://www.wimp.com/slothcrossing/
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[15:31] mscdex: yeah it does segfault for me too on 0.5.0
[15:31] mscdex: that's why 0.5.x is an unstable branch :-)
[15:32] explodes: Hi! Is there a server event that gets fired when a server is ready to accept connections?
[15:32] explodes: (HTTP server, specificially)
[15:32] tjholowaychuk: explodes "listening" I believe
[15:32] mscdex: yep
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[15:32] tjholowaychuk: or a callback to listen()
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[15:34] bnoordhuis: mscdex: what segfaults?
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[15:35] explodes: tjholowaychuk: excellent, thanks
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[15:36] mscdex: bnoordhuis: node-ncurses on node 0.5.0
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[15:36] bnoordhuis: mscdex: ah right - i thought this was node itself crashing
[15:37] mscdex: nah, but node-ncurses works on 0.4.x is what i meant ;-)
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[15:38] tmedema: bnoordhuis: I'm not, no
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[15:38] bnoordhuis: tmedema: ?
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[15:38] tmedema: bnoordhuis: you asked me a question just before I went AFK some minutes ago
[15:39] bnoordhuis: tmedema: i did?
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[15:39] bnoordhuis: oh right
[15:39] tmedema: :)
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[15:39] bnoordhuis: hah, reason i asked is that felixge asked me nearly the same question today
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[15:40] keyvan: mscdex: any guess as to when 0.5 support would be ready?
[15:40] mscdex: keyvan: can't say for sure, i'm starting to look at it now
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[15:41] keyvan: mscdex: okay sounds good thank you good sir
[15:41] rblalock: just started getting in to nodejs.  what an awesome technology
[15:41] tmedema: bnoordhuis: ah, pure coincidence :) although I'm working on stream based processing, just like they are
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[15:42] tmedema: (for a totally different purpose though, thought I'd add that)
[15:43] keyvan: what's the proper way to downgrade from 0.5 to 0.4 ?
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[15:45] explodes: Ok, this makes no sense,  http://pastie.org/2213050 I create a server, and on listening I try to request from it.  I get a socket hang up error... 
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[15:45] fille: hello
[15:46] explodes: hi
[15:46] explodes: Its just a few lines of code to request when the server is ready... Is there some reason this should not work?
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[15:47] explodes: Oh wait duh
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[15:49] mscdex: keyvan: probably just install over top
[15:50] mscdex: keyvan: that's what i usually do
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[15:51] mscdex: is there any kind of guider or list of gotchas for upgrading bindings from node 0.4.x -> 0.5.x yet?
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[15:52] clip: hi there, i created a nodejs server in a local network, and now i want to "redirect" a domain to the server ip. can someone give me a clue?
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[15:53] explodes: does server.close allow for a callback or event?
[15:54] explodes: Ah ok nevermind, it does. 
[15:54] xerox: does anybody have a word (or an url) of advice about talking with an interactive process on the terminal, through childProcess features in node?
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[15:54] xerox: with regard to buffering
[15:54] explodes: Oh, it doesn't.  I want an event for when the server is shut down with .close ...
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[15:55] xerox: or programs deleting part of the line to show updates of informations
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[15:55] mscdex: explodes: .close() just stops listening for connections
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[15:55] explodes: mscdex, syncronously ?
[15:55] keyvan: GRR. everyone help mscdex !!!
[15:55] keyvan: :D
[15:55] mscdex: explodes: yes, it's immediate
[15:55] explodes: excellent
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[15:57] dtan: how do you launch an app with a different env value? ie. dev, production, etc
[15:57] dtan: i can't seem to find anything on this topic
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[16:02] fwg: dtan: by prefixing the command with NODE_ENV=production for example
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[16:02] dtan: node NODE_ENV=production app.js
[16:02] dtan: ?
[16:02] fwg: no NODE_ENV=production node app.js
[16:02] dtan: ah ok
[16:03] tjholowaychuk: dtan or set that in ~/.profile or whatever
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[16:04] dtan: ah ok
[16:04] mscdex: hmm, libev is crapping out when starting an io watcher on stdin
[16:04] mscdex: :/
[16:04] mscdex: on node 0.5.x
[16:04] dtan: tjholowaychuk you going to be on later?
[16:04] tjholowaychuk: yup, it's 9:00am here so i'll be on for quite a while
[16:04] dtan: cool
[16:05] dtan: you're in vancouver, right?
[16:05] tjholowaychuk: vic
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[16:05] dtan: ah
[16:05] dtan: originally from seattle, but on the east coast now
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[16:06] dtan: cool, i gotta go to a meeting but have some jade questions for you
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[16:12] explodes: Can someone look at these 20 lines of code... http://pastie.org/2213050 All it does is create a server, and when the server is listening, it makes a request to that server.  I'm getting 'socket hang up' which seems like its just a kind of time out?
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[16:14] explodes: I can curl my server and it works as expected but this basic IO operation is failing..
[16:14] c4milo: explodes: I am testing with 0.4.8 and it seems fine 
[16:15] explodes: I'm using 0.4.9 here..
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[16:15] c4milo: explodes: wee it actully just shows me listening… 
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[16:15] c4milo: explodes: but the socket doesn't hang out 
[16:15] c4milo: up
[16:15] explodes: wait for it, it will...
[16:16] explodes: takes about 2 or 3 minutes i think
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[16:16] explodes: meanwhile you can type 'server' to see that there is a connection with the server
[16:16] AndyDawson: hi, I'm experimenting with zombie 0.9.5 and it's a) really slow and b) throwing lots of errors. is anyone using zombie successfully, or should I be looking for alterantive packages :)?
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[16:17] tmedema: felixge: are you available?
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[16:18] felixge: tmedema: not fully, transloadit.com is currently under a little fire :)
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[16:18] c4milo: explodes: yes, it hang up
[16:18] felixge: we are fully saturating 8 cores on 14 machines each
[16:19] explodes: thats messed up, huh c4milo!
[16:19] felixge: -> biggest node install right now I think :)
[16:19] tmedema: felixge: wow, sounds like you've done a good job getting transloadit known to the public
[16:19] c4milo: explodes: is http.createClient in the documenation? 
[16:19] c4milo: explodes: I didn't find it 
[16:19] c4milo: explodes: why you don't use http.request? 
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[16:20] explodes: o.O http.request huh
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[16:20] mscdex: http.createClient is node 0.2.x stuff
[16:20] c4milo: explodes: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.8/api/all.html#http.request
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[16:20] explodes: Oh wow.
[16:20] explodes: Ok
[16:21] tmedema: felixge: feel free to ignore me since you're busy, I was wondering though, do you have experience decoding/encoding from/to mp3 using both the default mp3 codec with ffmpeg or by using the lame codec (-acodec libmp3lame) - I'm wondering which codec I should use for optimal performance.
[16:21] felixge: tmedema: well, at leas to some big companies that are known to the public :)
[16:21] felixge: tmedema: benchmark it
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[16:21] felixge: tmedema: I can check what we're using
[16:21] tmedema: felixge: I could, just wondering if you already did
[16:21] micheil: felixge: are you core contribut?
[16:21] tmedema: that'd be great
[16:22] micheil: felixge: or a mailing list moderator?
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[16:22] felixge: tmedema: we use lame
[16:22] felixge: micheil: both
[16:22] tmedema: felixge: I see, I suspect it's more evolved than the default one -- thanks a lot
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[16:22] micheil: felixge: okay, if anyone ever asks why micheil.b.smith@gmail.com has manager privs, that's because it's me, which is also micheil@brandedcode.com
[16:23] micheil: (all my old micheil@brandedcode.com messages on groups were moved to micheil.b.smith@gmail.com)
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[16:24] micheil: felixge: I'm saying that as a my FWIW thing. Just so someone other than me knows what the go is there.
[16:25] felixge: tmedema: why not use transloadit? :)
[16:25] AndyDawson: this is what I see trying to use zombie https://gist.github.com/fd83429f41cf681a5a60
[16:25] felixge: tmedema: we have 120 cores waiting to eat your audio :)
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[16:26] AndyDawson: sup felixge 
[16:26] tmedema: felixge: I'm not storing any files ;) just converting streams
[16:26] felixge: AndyDawson: hey, long time :)
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[16:26] felixge: tmedema: if the output needs to be a stream, yeah, you wanna do it yourself :)
[16:26] AndyDawson: tis a small world and once more our paths do cross
[16:27] AndyDawson: so again I am in your technical wake :)
[16:27] tmedema: felixge: exactly ;) what I have running is quite sophisticated too, the streams need to be related to socket.io clients etc.
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[16:27] tmedema: it's not something standalone that can be offsourced to a service like yours
[16:27] tmedema: outsourced*
[16:28] felixge: tmedema: makes sense
[16:28] chjj: node is slowly gaining on jquery in terms of github watchers
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[16:29] chjj: should pass it eventually
[16:29] chjj: !
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[16:31] tmedema: felixge: I take it your multi-server infrastructure isn't open source?
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[16:32] tbranyen: url module is kind of confusing docs wise
[16:32] tbranyen: query: Either the 'params' portion of the query string, or a querystring-parsed object.
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[16:32] tbranyen: Example: 'query=string' or {'query':'string'}
[16:32] tbranyen: if i want the object
[16:32] tbranyen: how the f do i get it?
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[16:32] tbranyen: its always returning the string
[16:33] tbranyen: looks like i can't get the object from a url
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[16:33] tbranyen: oh pass true to parse
[16:33] tbranyen: boom
[16:33] tbranyen: thanks guys!
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[16:35] klovadis: hmm is this my node 0.4.7 windows installation or an actual bug? when using net.createConnection with port AND host and callback, neither the callback nor the 'connect' event is ever called
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[16:35] klovadis: however, if i use new.Socket and then connect, it does work
[16:35] klovadis: ** new net.Socket
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[16:50] erenon: hi, please check out my question about garbage collection: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6696706/node-js-native-addon-destructor-of-wrapped-class-doesnt-run
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[16:52] bradleymeck: if there some reason unix sockets will unlink existing sockets rather than fire an EADDINUSE?
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[16:53] bnoordhuis: bradleymeck: makes the life of users easier
[16:53] bnoordhuis: is it a problem?
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[16:53] bradleymeck: just produced some heavy duty bugs
[16:53] bnoordhuis: tell me
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[16:54] bradleymeck: basically dnode/hook.io/anything that wants to drop a server before adding clients with the same connection string will just keep making new servers
[16:54] bradleymeck: becomes a very hard problem to tell if the file is going to stay there and be the same
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[16:55] bradleymeck: be the same meaning : be the domain socket that was bound by a process earlier
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[16:55] bradleymeck: plus no way to really test easily if you are clobbering things by making new domain sockets
[16:56] bnoordhuis: bradleymeck: i think i agree
[16:56] bnoordhuis: i was working today on unix socket support in libuv
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[16:56] bnoordhuis: and i tentatively followed node's current behaviour, unlink before binding
[16:56] bradleymeck: yea, you can stat and check right now, but when we spawn up enough clients the race condition hits :/
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[16:57] bnoordhuis: yes, that's a problem
[16:57] bradleymeck: ill open an issue up then
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[16:58] bnoordhuis: bradleymeck: yes, please
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[17:03] bradleymeck: almost to issue 1337 in the tracker I wonder what it will be
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[17:06] taf2: something leet
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[17:09] devaholic: bradleymeck whats the remedy?
[17:10] tuhoojabotti: Hmm
[17:11] tuhoojabotti: in 6 hours?
[17:11] ryah: yes
[17:11] tuhoojabotti: That's 2am here. :P
[17:11] ryah: move to california
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[17:12] tuhoojabotti: Nah, I like it here in Finland for now.
[17:12] tuhoojabotti: :P
[17:12] jetienne: gimme a visa :)
[17:12] tuhoojabotti: You move to Finland :u
[17:12] ryah: it's your own fault then :)
[17:13] tuhoojabotti: Well I guess I wouldn't be able to move there yet, as I'm not 18 yet. :D
[17:14] tuhoojabotti: But yeah, my project is going smoothly. :P
[17:15] addisonj: need some vim advice, what do you all use for C++ code completion? 
[17:15] tuhoojabotti: I'm not pro enough to use vim. :e
[17:15] addisonj: i was having issues getting omnicppcomplete working and clang_complete suddenly hates my code
[17:15] bnoordhuis: addisonj: ctags and ctrl+p
[17:15] bnoordhuis: ctags for browsing really
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[17:17] addisonj: so do you have to run ctags then add the tags to vim manually? or am I missing something in my understanding of ctags and vim tags
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[17:19] chjj: so many youngsters in here
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[17:20] bnoordhuis: addisonj: `ctags -R` in the shell, then browse with :TlistToggle (taglist plugin)
[17:20] bnoordhuis: and ctrl-] and ctrl-t and some other key bindings, but mostly the first two
[17:21] bnoordhuis: or use eclipse - it's smart
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[17:21] context: uhh
[17:21] addisonj: 
ACTION is trying to become more vim proficient 

[17:21] knuthy: I've got a question concerning haibu-balancer. Is there a way to implement a fallback proxy to apache if no application is registred to the requested domain?
[17:21] context: that was satiracal right?
[17:21] CIA-107: libuv: 03Ryan Dahl 07newreq2 * rd2931c1 10/ (10 files in 3 dirs): 
[17:21] CIA-107: libuv: Better request API
[17:21] CIA-107: libuv: Instead of uv_shutdown, uv_write, uv_connect taking raw uv_req_t we subclass
[17:21] CIA-107: libuv: uv_req_t into uv_shutdown_t, uv_write_t, and uv_connect_t.
[17:21] CIA-107: libuv: uv_req_init is removed. - http://bit.ly/pxU1NO
[17:21] CIA-107: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07newreq2 * rd4890ea 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[17:21] CIA-107: libuv: Further improve request API
[17:21] CIA-107: libuv: This changes uv-win to use the new uv_req subclasses.
[17:21] CIA-107: libuv: It gets rid of the uv_req.flags field. There used to be only request flag
[17:21] CIA-107: libuv: (UV_REQ_PENDING), and it was mostly obsolete; it only had a real purpose for
[17:21] CIA-107: libuv: internal uv_read requests. Now we'll use the UV_HANDLE_READ_PENDING flag on the
[17:21] CIA-107: libuv: handle instead.
[17:21] bnoordhuis: context: no :)
[17:21] CIA-107: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07newreq2 * ra8f9d05 10/ include/uv.h : Define union uv_any_req - http://bit.ly/qyKStN
[17:21] CIA-107: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07newreq2 * r126782f 10/ (3 files): Benchmarks use the improved request api - http://bit.ly/pBqURj
[17:22] context: bnoordhuis: 'using eclipse' and 'its smart' should never appear together. ever.
[17:22] addisonj: quite the commit message
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[17:22] knuthy: I ask again :/
[17:22] knuthy: I've got a question concerning haibu-balancer. Is there a way to implement a fallback proxy to apache if no application is registred to the requested domain?
[17:22] context: err 'use eclipse' i guess it was
[17:22] knuthy: (sorry, CIA cleand all the screen) :p
[17:22] bnoordhuis: context: eclipse + cdt > vim + ctags
[17:22] bnoordhuis: the downside is that it's dog slow
[17:23] bnoordhuis: i can't really import the kernel sources into eclipse, for example
[17:23] bnoordhuis: it makes it grind to a halt
[17:23] context: ill use textmate or Xcode
[17:23] context: bnoordhuis: soooooo many better options though
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[17:24] bnoordhuis: i don't know xcode but textmate isn't really on the same level
[17:25] addisonj: hrm, so 0.5.1, that coming out soon? I may have to play with it on my windows box later...
[17:25] raZer: where is the implementation of 'require' in Nodejs source?
[17:25] addisonj: err, soon = today still?
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[17:25] mscdex: the topic said 0.5.1 was going to come out today
[17:25] mscdex: but dunno if that's still on or not
[17:25] context: bnoordhuis: yeah. depending on what im doing ill have api docs open in a web browser, though i haven't touched C in a while
[17:25] addisonj: bnoordhuis++ , i don't get all the textmate love
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[17:26] mscdex: v8bot is gone? :O
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[17:26] jerrysv: i think v8bot is hurting
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[17:26] jerrysv: .. /x/g;
[17:26] catb0t: 03/x/
[17:27] jerrysv: .. typeof(/x/g);
[17:27] catb0t: 03'function'
[17:27] xerox: .. (/x/g)(':x')
[17:27] catb0t: [ 03'x' ]
[17:27] mraleph: no-no-no
[17:27] mraleph: that was riped off
[17:27] mraleph: from Firefox and Safari as well. 
[17:27] mraleph: no callable regexp's anymore
[17:29] jerrysv: seem to be callable to me :)
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[17:29] mraleph: it's old V8
[17:29] bnoordhuis: v7
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[17:29] jerrysv: bnoordhuis :)
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[17:30] mraleph: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShcbV31tcAk
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[17:33] seb_m: hey noders, what are the cool kids using these days for calling a bunch of functions in parallel, and then calling something once all those functions are finished?
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[17:33] TheJH: is catb0t v8bot with additional layers of security? because with v8bot, I could manually access that array console.log writes into (although that doesn't seem to make it possible to hack it)
[17:33] TheJH: seb_m, caolans async maybe?
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[17:35] seb_m: TheJH:  thanks, i'll check that out. i saw a few libraries in blog posts, but they were all from node v0.1 era
[17:35] TheJH: seb_m, `require('async').parallel(arrayOfFunctions, callback)`
[17:36] seb_m: TheJH, yeah, i'm looking at the github for async and it looks perfect. thanks for the rec
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[17:37] jetienne: seb_m: im using seq https://github.com/substack/node-seq
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[17:38] addisonj: 
ACTION hopes this doesn't turn into another long winded discussion about async libs

[17:38] jetienne: 
ACTION hopes one get included in node and become the official one :)

[17:39] addisonj: won't happen
[17:39] taf2: when cluster receives a QUIT signal and shuts down, it doesn't clean up it's pid files... is this right?
[17:39] prannam: K.. i give up ..  i'm really close to getting my first node.js up and running but i can't seem to get mongoose to save my model..  i can't figure out how to access its debugging facilities because its docs are absolutely terrible.. it has a link to "API" on the website which is nothing more  than sparsely documented source code in a fanc y ui
[17:39] jetienne: addisonj: you can get both... end of endless discussion and no official :)
[17:39] jetienne: taf2: it is supposed to
[17:39] tjholowaychuk: taf2: it probably should, I can't remember what I have it doing
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[17:40] jetienne: tjholowaychuk: you told me it should 1 month ago :)
[17:40] prannam: Like .. how can i find out what save should return and what exceptions it might raise.. is there a global config for mongoose that includes a debug option?
[17:40] tjholowaychuk: yeah, I just haven't looked at the code for a few months
[17:40] tjholowaychuk: could be a bug
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[17:41] addisonj: prannam, source code browsing is sometimes the best solution with mongoose
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[17:41] addisonj: the documentation is lacking in many aspects :(
[17:41] prannam: too many aspects to be really useful 
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[17:41] taf2: i have a little work around in my deploy script... it's actually good in any case IMO... [ -f $pid ] && [ `ps -ef | grep ``cat $pid`` | wc -l` -gt 1 ]
[17:41] Bonuspunkt: yeah
[17:41] addisonj: na, its not that bed once you get the hang of it
[17:41] addisonj: pastie your code
[17:41] taf2: it checks for the pid file and then it checks if the pid in the pid file is running
[17:41] prannam: yeah but there should at least be documentation of basic crud .. 
[17:41] Bonuspunkt: damn it, evil scroll bar 
[17:41] seb_m: prannam: agreed, mongoose's docs are pretty hard if you're a beginner. it gets easier the more you do it
[17:42] seb_m: prannam: if you look through the automated tests you might find code examples to cover the sort of functionality you want 
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[17:43] addisonj: between mongoosejs.com and the github docs, I can figure out MOST things without resorting to source, but yeah, careful reading is required
[17:43] prannam: there are github docs?
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[17:44] prannam: please feel free to go wild on looking at this code: http://www.pastie.org/2213567 
[17:44] prannam: Its my first forray into server side js
[17:44] EyePulp: 
ACTION refrains from going wild.  

[17:44] seb_m: prannam: i wrote a push/pop stack implementation in express/mongoose as my first mongoose thing. the code is here: https://github.com/sebm/MongoPop/blob/master/app.js
[17:44] seb_m: if that helps
[17:44] addisonj: github docs are mostly the same as mongoosejs.com, but i have noticed a few changes that haven't been updated
[17:45] prannam: not to mention i couldn't find any examples of tdd for node.js ... there is jessie and jasmine-node .. but nothing seems to have any actual examples of controller specs 
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[17:45] christkv: hey I made a change to the mongodb npm package
[17:46] christkv: it won't build the monogdb c++ bson parser by default anymore
[17:46] christkv: you need to tell it to when installing now
[17:46] christkv: with npm install mongodb --mongodb:native
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[17:46] christkv: that should make it easy to use with 0.5
[17:46] jerrysv: tbranyen: ping
[17:47] prannam: So .. is there any debug functionality for mongoose ?
[17:47] prannam: So i can see exactly why this isn't saving my model?
[17:48] tbranyen: jerrysv: what up
[17:48] jerrysv: tbranyen: do you have your links for your templating musings and work handy?
[17:48] addisonj: it does through any errors or anything?
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[17:48] perezd: anyone in here using the actor model w/ node?
[17:49] tbranyen: jerrysv: https://github.com/tbranyen/node-combine that?
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[17:49] prannam: addisonj: no errors...  
[17:49] prannam: can't even figure out what .save actually takes and returns 
[17:49] CIA-107: libuv: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * rabe0b1e 10/ (10 files in 3 dirs): 
[17:49] CIA-107: libuv: Better request API
[17:49] CIA-107: libuv: Instead of uv_shutdown, uv_write, uv_connect taking raw uv_req_t we subclass
[17:49] CIA-107: libuv: uv_req_t into uv_shutdown_t, uv_write_t, and uv_connect_t.
[17:49] CIA-107: libuv: uv_req_init is removed. - http://bit.ly/nQQEyN
[17:49] CIA-107: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07master * r0ea4c87 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[17:49] CIA-107: libuv: Windows implementation of new request API
[17:49] CIA-107: libuv: This changes uv-win to use the new uv_req subclasses.
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[17:49] CIA-107: libuv: It gets rid of the uv_req.flags field. There used to be only request flag
[17:49] CIA-107: libuv: (UV_REQ_PENDING), and it was mostly obsolete; it only had a real purpose for
[17:49] CIA-107: libuv: internal uv_read requests. Now we'll use the UV_HANDLE_READ_PENDING flag on
[17:49] CIA-107: libuv: the handle instead.
[17:49] CIA-107: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07master * r2f83928 10/ include/uv.h : Define union uv_any_req - http://bit.ly/qAsXjD
[17:49] CIA-107: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07master * r902dd56 10/ (3 files): Benchmarks use the improved request api - http://bit.ly/oxDxC8
[17:49] jerrysv: i think so? i thought you had stuff up on a gist too?
[17:49] tbranyen: jerrysv: yup
[17:49] tbranyen: sec
[17:50] addisonj: save takes a callback with either zero or no parameters (i think)
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[17:50] tbranyen: jerrysv: https://gist.github.com/994418
[17:50] jerrysv: tbranyen: thanks!
[17:51] context: kk cia is getting rather annoying. does it have to give us the entire commit message
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[17:52] addisonj: prannam, line 43 of the pastie might be your problem, I am not sure if registering a schema return the model
[17:52] addisonj: at least, I have never used that that way
[17:53] prannam: addisonj: even when i look at seb_m's code ..   he uses the same construct https://github.com/sebm/MongoPop/blob/master/app.js#L55
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[17:53] nibblebot: prannam: that construct is not the whole thing
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[17:54] nibblebot: you should do: mongoose.model('model_name', RealTimeEventSchema); var RealTimeEvent = mongoose.model('model_name);
[17:54] nibblebot: it's two line to initialize it, not sure why
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[17:56] addisonj: thats what I thought
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[17:57] prannam: his code doesn't seem to do that .. i wish i had "tail -f log/development.log" right now
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[17:58] prannam: What's worse than not knowing .. is not knowing how to debug it 
[17:58] addisonj: prannam, just try doing the initilization in two lines
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[17:58] prannam: addisonj.. i did!
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[17:58] prannam: but is there seriously no .. development.log that all database requests are just logged to?
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[17:59] prannam: the pastie is updated btw .. http://www.pastie.org/2213567
[18:00] prannam: there should be something like mongoose.default_logger=Logger.new(STDOUT) or something 
[18:01] addisonj: still no go? and you checked mongo from js frontend to see if any documents are there?
[18:02] prannam: i wish i wasn't new to mongo also...   
[18:02] prannam: did  "use vtrs" then "db.realtime_events.find({})" but nothing comes back
[18:03] prannam: that's correct right?
[18:03] nibblebot: inspect your collections
[18:03] nibblebot: db.getCollectionNames()
[18:03] nibblebot: it does some pluralizing I think
[18:04] japj: piscisaureus: libuv cygwin is not building for me due to CLOCK_MONOTONIC not being defined
[18:04] prannam: well i know the collection exists because i called createConnection and created a capped collection
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[18:05] nibblebot: prannam: not sure what that implies. db.getCollectionNames() will be the only way to know for sure which collections exist
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[18:05] CIA-107: node: 03Stefan Rusu 07v0.4 * r901ebed 10/ lib/tls.js : Fixes #1304. The Connection instance may be destroyed by abort() when process.nextTick is executed. - http://bit.ly/p4SALt
[18:05] CIA-107: node: 03Stefan Rusu 07v0.4 * r5b02d56 10/ lib/http.js : Fixes #1085. The agent end event may call detachSocket() after the socket is detached and destroyed by abort(). This patch avoids that behavior. - http://bit.ly/oUhBey
[18:05] CIA-107: node: 03koichik 07v0.4 * r8caf7fd 10/ (2 files): 
[18:05] CIA-107: node: Add tests for #1085 and #1304
[18:05] CIA-107: node: Fixes #1327. - http://bit.ly/oAvCYf
[18:05] addisonj: commits are rolling in today it seems
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[18:07] japj: piscisaureus: and node master tree fails on cygwin atm, I get a warning in v8/src/assembler.h and -Werror is turned on
[18:07] prannam: nibblebot: db.getCollectionNames() returns ["realtime_events"] 
[18:07] prannam: how do i look into that collection?
[18:07] prannam: db.realtime_events.find({}) just .. does nothing
[18:07] nibblebot: yeah
[18:07] addisonj: then its empty
[18:07] prannam: it doesn't return a []  like i would expect if there were no results
[18:07] nibblebot: try .count()
[18:08] nibblebot: but yeah, sounds empty
[18:08] japj: piscisaureus: didn't try building it on cygwin for a while, but I wanted to see if I could use npm on windows (in cygwin) for something
[18:08] prannam: so.. then that means i've confirmed that my nodejs app is not saving to the db
[18:08] prannam: _why_ _is_ _there_ _no_ _debug_ flag
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[18:09] addisonj: i would check to make sure your db connection is working, I have noticed that some versions of mongoose won't report a failed db connection
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[18:11] nibblebot: prannam: why are you using Model.create?
[18:11] nibblebot: why not instance.save()?
[18:11] prannam: nibblebot: because thats what seb_m used in his example he sent me
[18:12] prannam: nibblebot: it was originally instance.save
[18:12] nibblebot: never seen it before
[18:12] nibblebot: also
[18:12] nibblebot: you are res.send before your callback returns
[18:12] prannam: nibblebot:  https://github.com/sebm/MongoPop/blob/master/app.js#L125
[18:12] nibblebot: he's passing in a json object
[18:13] nibblebot: you are passing in an instance of your model
[18:13] nibblebot: choose one :)
[18:13] nibblebot: oh wait nm
[18:13] prannam: nibblebot: i'm passing a hash .. realtime_event_packet
[18:13] nibblebot: realtime_event is just for fun
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[18:14] nibblebot: idk, i would use new Model(hash) then inspect that variable and make sure it has what you need, then do var.save((
[18:15] prannam: ahahah ...  i think i found an issue
[18:15] prannam: i did console.log(sys.inspect(db)) after defining the models...  and  it appears that no models are defined
[18:15] prannam: but i don't see where i went wrong honestly
[18:16] nibblebot: did you switch to the 2 line invocation for registering schema and creating the model?
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[18:17] addisonj: omgz... so silly
[18:17] prannam: nibblebot: i updated the pastie
[18:17] tbranyen: jerrysv: it has a few bugs atm, as noted in the github issues
[18:17] addisonj: prannam, attributes in the schema need to be strings
[18:17] prannam: ?
[18:17] nibblebot: addisonj: no
[18:18] addisonj: did they change that? because in earlier version you had to
[18:18] nibblebot: unless they collide with reserved words..
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[18:18] nibblebot: i'm not using any in my code
[18:18] nibblebot: even for nested fields
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[18:19] nibblebot: is your callback on Model.create running?
[18:20] jerrysv: tbranyen: indeed. i'm just looking at a couple of options. also looking at handlebars.js
[18:20] tbranyen: yeah handlebars is impossible to get working in node
[18:20] tbranyen: at least in my experience
[18:20] jerrysv: was easy for me ?
[18:21] tbranyen: really what'd you do?
[18:21] jerrysv: made a single line modification if memory serves
[18:21] jerrysv: hold on
[18:21] tbranyen: last i checked it has broken node implementation
[18:21] prannam: well i'm not using model create anymore .. because i got feedback to use instance.save
[18:21] tbranyen: and some dude made a patch, but still not quite there
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[18:21] jerrysv: i believe i added: exports.Handlebars = Handlebars; 
[18:21] jerrysv: to the end of handlebars.js
[18:22] nibblebot: prannam: well is your .save() callback hitting? if so, what is the response?
[18:22] addisonj: is "const" valid in node.js? thought that was a firefox only thing...
[18:22] jerrysv: i saw the pull request. will probably need to wait until i get home, branch it, see if that trick still works.
[18:23] nibblebot: prannam: there is also seeing the queries that come into mongo http://www.mongodb.org/display/DOCS/Database+Profiler although i recommend figuring this out without that
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[18:24] jerrysv: tbranyen: i last used it pre-jsconf, and it was part of my impetus to have some weld/jsdom discussions with tmpvar
[18:24] tbranyen: ah okay
[18:25] tbranyen: yeah i didn't think of using exports
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[18:25] jerrysv: 
ACTION looks at things a little bit differently ...

[18:25] addisonj: wait... this might be a lot more silly, prannam, are you sure req.query.realtime_event is populated? because mongoose mightn ot save an empty model, you are doing this save inside a "GET" which is pretty bad style
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[18:27] prannam: addisonj: i'm using get to make it easier to debug.. irealize that rest calls for post/put in this instance
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[18:33] prannam_: lousy webchat.. am i still in this room?
[18:33] bradleymeck: yes
[18:33] addisonj: yep
[18:34] prannam_: ... i broke down and am combing through mongoose source apparently
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[18:34] tbranyen: jerrysv: well its funny because thats how i used to get mustache working
[18:36] jerrysv: tbranyen: ha. go figure
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[18:39] prannam_: so i'm running out of ideas.. anyone wanna just try my code out on their setup with their mongodb ?
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[18:39] prannam_: and get it to work then tell me what i did wrong?
[18:40] prannam_: The test is just "http://localhost:7001/stats/report?realtime_event={%22ip%22%3A%22192.168.1.234%22%2C%22group%22%3A%22DM%22%2C%22data%22%3A{%22total%22%3A10%2C%22dead%22%3A2%2C%22waiting%22%3A2%2C%22paused%22%3A1%2C%22short_call%22%3A1%2C%22long_call%22%3A3%2C%22deep_call%22%3A1%2C%22sold%22%3A2}}" 
[18:40] prannam_: it should increment the count of realtime events by 1 ...
[18:40] addisonj: prannam_, i am doing that right now, but just edited it to make it much simpler
[18:42] addisonj: prannam_, this works
[18:42] addisonj: http://www.pastie.org/2213881
[18:42] addisonj: see how you do
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[18:47] prannam_: !@#!%$!%! 
[18:47] chapel: mape: ping
[18:47] prannam_: Its the g#^!@ d%$#^#$% connection .. that server has connection refused on the port listed in sys.inspect(db)
[18:47] prannam_: what a retarded library
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[18:48] addisonj: heh, well at least you know
[18:49] addisonj: its still very much in development, mongoose
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[18:52] prannam_: I'm just awestruck... that there isn't some sort of simple verification of the connection
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[18:52] mscdex: keyvan: fwiw i've got a patch that lets node-ncurses work properly on node 0.5.x: http://goo.gl/7KXEB
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[18:56] jtrally: Hi all, does anyone here use node-xmpp
[18:56] jtrally: ?
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[18:56] prannam_: addisonj: Well... thank you very much for your help
[18:57] prannam_: all of you .. thanks .. i realize it sucks dealing with beginners sometimes
[18:57] addisonj: np, don't let your first node experience be too negatice
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[18:57] addisonj: its really amazing once you get the hang of a few things, there are some things you have to adjsut too, but when it works its brilliant
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[19:00] dingomanatee: Anyone interested in a pay-for-OS-work project - would like a full spectrum grayscale mod for https://github.com/pkrumins/node-png/issues/8#issuecomment-1565670 - i.e, grayscale PNGs. 
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[19:02] taf2: anyone have an opinion about my deploy.js script: https://gist.github.com/1083166
[19:02] taf2: i'm thinking about making into an npm package, but first i figure anyone have strong opinions... like "holycrap dude why the F would you write that"
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[19:03] taf2: 
ACTION hopes for some feedback

[19:03] dingomanatee: taf2: I would reccommend using rabbitMQ as a work queue - 
[19:03] taf2: dingomanatee, hrm... deploy through rabbitMQ ?
[19:03] dingomanatee: its a good idea but too much unnnecessary DIY here. 
[19:03] taf2: in my deploy.js ?
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[19:03] dingomanatee: yes
[19:03] dingomanatee: Push the deploy configs into rabbitMQ
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[19:04] dingomanatee: then have a message client that executes them and pushes them back into the queue if there is an error. 
[19:04] dingomanatee: That way you could route the same configurations to multiple executors on remote servers. 
[19:04] taf2: dingomanatee, got it so, use a worker to do the necessary steps to deploy code updates?
[19:04] dingomanatee: and take advantage of the routing architecture of rabbit. 
[19:05] taf2: 
ACTION is interested

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[19:05] dingomanatee: Yeah - you could have several queues - one for EU, one for AU, one for US
[19:05] Prometheus: or if you are in to DIY, use Zeromq instead of rabbit ;)
[19:05] taf2: dingomanatee, this is a *newish* way to think of deployment right?  using a queue?
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[19:05] dingomanatee: push the configs into the queue, and have them sent out to the targets. 
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[19:05] dingomanatee: I would say, this is a way of using new technologies to minimize the amount of custom code in your deployment architecture. 
[19:06] taf2: this solves an issue where 2 devs would say at the same time push  a code update err deploy and update
[19:06] dingomanatee: Focus on the parts that need to be unique - the execution clients 
[19:06] dingomanatee: and don't reinvent the work queue which is failry stock. 
[19:06] dingomanatee: Every time an item is added to a queue you could have a listener go through and reconcile conflicts.
[19:07] devaholic: any rabbitMQ packages for node?
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[19:07] sp_: hi
[19:08] mscdex: devaholic: there's this one at least: https://github.com/squaremo/rabbit.js
[19:08] taf2: dingomanatee, okay is rabbitMQ an answer to these questions: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4681067/how-to-deploy-node-js ?
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[19:09] taf2: dingomanatee, are you thinking i'd have a script send/push a request to a work queue, that queue has a worker process that knows who to pull new code and bounce servers?
[19:09] sp_: anyone savvy with expressjs I could bother for a sec?
[19:10] mscdex: sp_: go ahead and ask
[19:10] tjholowaychuk: sp_: jump in #express if you need to
[19:10] sp_: thanks
[19:10] mscdex: or that :)
[19:10] sp_: what I want to do is program a simple mud-like enviroment on node.js
[19:10] sp_: like... connected rooms
[19:10] sp_: and move between them via links in web pages
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[19:11] sp_: but what I need to do is preserve the "map" in a js structure, and traverse that structure via web pages
[19:12] sp_: question, is express suitable for that, or should I just use a plain node.js and write a "route" function?
[19:12] _sorensen_: making rpg?
[19:12] sp_: _sorensen_: sort of, it's just for a presentation
[19:12] _sorensen_: ah
[19:12] sp_: I think it's doable, and looks like fun
[19:12] sp_: to show off node.js :)
[19:12] _sorensen_: otherwise: theres rpgjs.org
[19:12] _sorensen_: err
[19:12] _sorensen_: http://rpgjs.com
[19:13] sp_: wow
[19:13] sp_: very nice
[19:13] sp_: heh I was just thinking something text-based
[19:13] sp_: for each room just echo room description
[19:13] sp_: no multiplayer or anything... just to show it off
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[19:21] devaholic: mscdex thanks
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[19:22] bradleymeck: sp_ https://github.com/creationix/world-db might be of interest
[19:22] devaholic: 
ACTION pokes _sorensen_

[19:22] Bonuspunkt: any news about v0.5.1 ?
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[19:24] fille: anyone here
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[19:24] bradleymeck: ye
[19:25] bradleymeck: s
[19:25] Bonuspunkt: no :D
[19:25] fille: got a quik javascript question
[19:25] fille: is undefined like null?
[19:25] iMiksu: hi guys! does setTimeout() work for you guys?
[19:25] TheJH: fille, no
[19:25] TheJH: fille, undefined==null, but undefined!==null
[19:26] fille: undefined is a string?
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[19:26] iMiksu: i'm trying to write: setTimeout('console.log("test")', 1000) but it says "TypeError: Property '_onTimeout' of object #<Object> is not a function"
[19:26] Marak: tjholowaychuk: express supports nested form params like rails right?
[19:26] tjholowaychuk: Marak yup
[19:26] TheJH: fille, imagine that you ask someone for the way. null means "I don't know the way" and undefined means "huh? what do you want? and what is a way?"
[19:26] xerox: iMiksu: not '...' but function() {...}
[19:27] Marak: tjholowaychuk: do you have code in there that converts nested form params into JSON?
[19:27] tjholowaychuk: Marak: it's Connect's bodyParser actually.
[19:27] Marak: tjholowaychuk: im struggling to write that logic, well just having an anoonying time
[19:27] fille: THejH so how can i check if something is undefiend?
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[19:27] Marak: tjholowaychuk: will check it out, thanks
[19:27] tjholowaychuk: Marak it's in visionmedia/node-querystring
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[19:27] Marak: tjholowaychuk: thank you
[19:27] tjholowaychuk: in npm it's just "qs"
[19:27] TheJH: fille, "if foo === undefined" (three equals signs)
[19:27] tjholowaychuk: i had it as querystring at first
[19:27] tjholowaychuk: and quickly realized that's the name of node's haha
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[19:27] tjholowaychuk: name fail
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[19:28] TheJH: hmm, guys, is "=== undefined" the best way?
[19:28] fille: ThejH thank u very mutch i 
[19:29] knuthy: TheJH: guess so, !foo works too but works for null, false, etc. so I'd go === 
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[19:29] iMiksu: xerox: oh, right.. thanks o/
[19:29] Marak: tjholowaychuk: i got this new project inc you might really like
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[19:29] Marak: tjholowaychuk: ill link you when its online
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[19:29] TheJH: knuthy, I was referring to stuff like typeof foo === "undefined"
[19:29] xerox: np
[19:29] tjholowaychuk: Marak: sounds good
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[19:29] Marak: i think you'll want to use the same idea for some express stuff
[19:30] tjholowaychuk: i still have a few things i need to finish, i have a auto-rest client thing so if you define
[19:30] tjholowaychuk: GET /forum/:fid/thread/:tid
[19:30] tjholowaychuk: you'll get forum(5).thread(2).del(callback)
[19:30] tjholowaychuk: etc
[19:30] tjholowaychuk: for free
[19:31] tjholowaychuk: it works great but im not sure yet how to handle stuff like GET /commits/:form..:to
[19:31] tjholowaychuk: automagically
[19:31] malkomalko: Marak: tell your guys to give me a freaking invite to nodejitsu
[19:31] malkomalko: :)
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[19:41] Marak: malkomalko: soon :-)
[19:43] malkomalko: I WANT TO GIVE YOU GUYS MONEY
[19:43] malkomalko: :D
[19:44] context: ill take your money
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[19:45] malkomalko: sorry, bank's closed
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[19:49] fille: how many gooogle queries does it take to get a google captch
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[19:52] context: a google captcha ?
[19:52] context: cant say ive ever seen one
[19:53] igl: i think i saw it once
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[19:54] jtrally: tj: the auto rest there is neat.  I built that into it, but then never had a use for it.  Are you adding validation?
[19:54] taf2: my old office we'd get it all the time... 50 devs one floor
[19:54] tjholowaychuk: jtrally the validation would still be SS
[19:54] tjholowaychuk: it generates the client
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[19:58] jtrally: I figured, but was wondering about something that parsed the body in the post/put runs a validator on it.  
[20:00] tjholowaychuk: jtrally: nah, that would be up to your ORM or whatever you happen to be using
[20:03] fille: got a broken pipe :(
[20:03] fille: :D
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[20:05] techwraith: isaacs: I'm working on a global npm module, what's the best way to have my changes to the module be installed automatically?
[20:05] jtrally: adding it to to the body parser could be handy.  then you could view request.body.errors.  and send errors to the client right then and even use the same validators on the client
[20:07] caleb_: Can somebody take a quick look at this short gist and tell me why the callback isn't being, um, called?  https://gist.github.com/1083305  I was expecting setInternal to run every second and print to screen.
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[20:08] chjj: caleb_, why are you doing that?
[20:09] chjj: that will be an unstoppable timer started for every request
[20:10] caleb_: chjj: Just to prove that I can get setInternal to work.  The real goal is to have the node app call a JSON API every X minutes.
[20:11] caleb_: chjj: new to node.js and js all together so I'm trying to do small examples
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[20:11] chjj: well, that looks like it should work
[20:12] chjj: the only odd thing i notice is that the port is a string, dont know if that makes a difference underneath the surface
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[20:13] caleb_: chjj: Changed that.  Doesn't seem to make a difference.
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[20:13] chjj: well the server is able to bind to a port and its serving requests right?
[20:14] chjj: try putting res.end('hello') in the request listener
[20:14] caleb_: chjj: yes.
[20:14] chjj: just to make sure everythings working
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[20:15] Murvin: is crypto in 0.4.9 working?   i just find out it is not really working
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[20:16] chjj: not working at all or just not working well?
[20:16] TheJH: Murvin, afaik crypto always has been broken, so it wouldn't surprise me
[20:16] chjj: yeah
[20:17] chjj: crypto has always been buggy
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[20:17] Murvin: TheJH:  damn...  
[20:17] chjj: which bug is hurting you? there could be a workaround
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[20:17] Bonuspunkt: isnt crypto using openssl?
[20:17] Murvin: TheJH:  in 0.4.8.  it works.. but 0.4.9.. it cut off the decrypted string.
[20:18] chjj: are you outputting it as base64 when you encrypt it?
[20:18] caleb_: chjj: I have it working now.  I see why setInterval shouldn't be inside createServer. 
[20:18] Murvin: like... if I want to encrypt this: "1231321321313131313abcdefg"   a long string
[20:18] chjj: caleb_: hehe, yeah
[20:18] Murvin: then it will cut off 1232131313121232131abcde     
[20:18] Murvin: base64 doesn't work
[20:18] devaholic: why does everyone hate the node logo? i think this could be cool http://twitter.com/#!/tomblobaum/status/91596712388460544
[20:18] chjj: yeah base64 is bugged for ciphers output encoding
[20:18] Murvin: so, what I do is just encrypt to hex, and use New Buffer convert into base64
[20:18] chjj: theres a workaround though
[20:18] chjj: yeah
[20:19] Murvin: that's what I'm doing
[20:19] caleb_: chjj: Thanks for your help.
[20:19] Murvin: but the decryption cut off the string.
[20:19] chjj: or with Buffers that dont support hex strings, you can use binary
[20:19] Murvin: hmm hmm
[20:19] chjj: caleb_: no problem
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[20:20] chjj: Murvin: only ciphers are bugged as far as i can tell, decrypting should work as long as you encrypted it alright
[20:20] chjj: try using binary instead of hex
[20:20] chjj: see if it makes a difference
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[20:21] Murvin: the same code was working in 0.4.8
[20:21] Murvin: hmmm ok..let me try binary now
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[20:22] Murvin: no.
[20:22] Murvin: doesn't work
[20:22] chjj: =/
[20:22] Murvin: very weird
[20:22] Murvin: like.. the encrypted text is 1234567890abcde
[20:23] Murvin: the decrypted text is : 1234567890ab#)$*)(*$)#   weird character
[20:23] chjj: yeah thats what happens when its corrupted from the base64 bug, thats what youd expect to see i mean
[20:23] Murvin: for my encryption:,  i do encrypt.update(text, 'utf8', 'binary');
[20:23] CIA-107: node: 03Henry Rawas 07master * r8adc6b8 10/ (Makefile lib/net_uv.js): net_uv: Add maxConnections support - http://bit.ly/oNZ78O
[20:23] Murvin: sand then encrypt.final('binary')
[20:24] chjj: and you concatenate it right?
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[20:24] Murvin: and then new Buffer(encryptedText1 + encryptedText2). toString('base64');
[20:24] Murvin: and with my decryption function:
[20:24] chjj: do: new Buffer(text, 'binary').toString('base64')
[20:24] Murvin: ok
[20:25] chjj: you need to specify the input encoding for the buffer
[20:26] Murvin: then in the Buffer Decode
[20:27] taf2: for me i ended up using npm install base64 
[20:27] prannam_: So i'm trying to render a json fragment in a jade template and its render my json with escaped html characters e.g. &quot; ..
[20:27] prannam_: The line is   var init_events=#{JSON.stringify(events)} 
[20:27] Murvin: I have newBuffer (text,'base64').toSting('binary')
[20:27] Murvin: for the decode part
[20:27] chjj: murvin: deciphering is fine
[20:27] chjj: its not buggy
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[20:28] Murvin: and decrypt.update( text, 'binary', 'utf8')
[20:28] dingomanatee: Anyone looking for contract work here?
[20:28] Murvin: what kinda contract work
[20:28] dingomanatee: I need to be able to create grayscale PNGs. 
[20:28] dingomanatee: All the node libraries are 255RGB only
[20:28] Murvin: not my expertise.lol
[20:28] chjj: Murvin: just set the input encoding of the decipher to base64, deciphers arent bugged
[20:28] chjj: you dont need to throw it in a buffer
[20:28] brutus: hello, in a http server, is there a way to rewrite url ? for example change /my/path/test to /my/otherpath/test ?
[20:29] Murvin: do you mean... just do this: decrypt.update(text, 'base64', 'utf8')?
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[20:30] chjj: brutus: it depends on the context, whether youre using a framework, etc
[20:30] chjj: otherwise: if (url.parse(req.url).pathname === '/my/path/test') req.url = '/my/otherpath/test';
[20:30] chjj: Murvin: yes
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[20:30] prannam_: So i'm getting a syntax error with javascript rendered using jade's script block ....   its because i'm using an interpolation maybe?
[20:30] chjj: the decipher object isnt bugged
[20:31] brutus: chjj, thanks, i do that but is seems that it does not work
[20:31] brutus: chjj, i will try again
[20:31] chjj: brutus: there is some context youre doing this within, are you using a framework?
[20:31] chjj: if its just a vanilla request listener, thats pretty much all you can do
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[20:33] brutus: chjj, i would want change url before a static file module (like node-static or paperby) serve the original url
[20:33] Murvin: chjj: doesnt' work at all
[20:33] clyfe: hello
[20:33] clyfe: what do you huys use for testing, and how do you feel about it ?
[20:33] Murvin: chjj: same ..  like having good data then bad data.  
[20:33] clyfe: wanna add testing to my pet project https://github.com/clyfe/tweet_express
[20:34] isaacs: taf2: does the npm base64 package do something that the built-in Buffer class doesn't do properly?
[20:34] Murvin: The decrypt text is like ... 1234567890abcd*(W*(W*W$(W  some funny characters
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[20:34] isaacs: taf2: you should be able to just new Buffer(foo).toString("base64") to encode, or new Buffer(b64str, "base64").toString("utf8") to decode
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[20:36] taf2: isaacs, i'm looking to see if i can isolate the issue again
[20:37] clyfe: there's just so many options arrgh vows/nodeunit/jasmine-node/expresso
[20:38] Tobbe: I watched the Ryan Dahl video on nodejs.org. He said something about letting node programs run until they self-closed. You weren't supposed to quit them manually. How do I figure out why my program isn't closing when I think it's done?
[20:38] Murvin: so weird.. 
[20:38] brutus: chjj: it's really working, thanks for your help!
[20:38] taf2: isaacs, well, in my case i was decoding binary data... so i'm base64 encoding binary data then i'm encrypting it and in another process decrypting and decoding... 
[20:39] chjj: brutus: no problem
[20:39] taf2: i need to do new Buffer(b64str, 'base64').toString('binary') ;/// i think that's what i was not sure was still valid?
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[20:39] isaacs: taf2: oh, if you want binary, then you can just deal with the buffer
[20:39] isaacs: taf2: it's just an array of bytes.
[20:39] Murvin: headache.
[20:39] Murvin: go for lunch
[20:39] isaacs: no need to toString() it, even
[20:39] clyfe: Tobbe: unregister all event handlers and the program will exit
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[20:39] taf2: okay, yeah i think that's where i was getting confused... i need to go back into this code then and see if i can avoid that dep now
[20:40] isaacs: taf2: yeah, i have to base64 a few things in npm, as well.
[20:40] Tobbe: clyfe: is it good practice to always unregiester an event handler when you're done with it?
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[20:40] clyfe: Tobbe: dunno ... me newb
[20:40] Tobbe: :)
[20:40] taf2: so i have this line currently:  var decipher = crypto.createDecipheriv('aes-256-cbc', base64.decode(message.key), base64.decode(message.iv));
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[20:41] taf2: i think what i need to do is go back to where i create the buffer that is message.key and message.iv and tell it to be new Buffer(... , 'base64') ?
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[20:43] techwraith: Is there something similar to __dirname that I can use in a module, but have it resolve to the directory the process is being run in?
[20:43] taf2: process.cwd()
[20:43] taf2: ?
[20:44] Tobbe: Is there any way I can list all event handlers (that are preventing the program from exiting)?
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[20:46] taf2: isaacs, hrm.. so i have some base64 encoded data in a String... and i want to decode... it to a binary value... var key = new Buffer(base64key, 'base64'); //  using key directly is not the original binary data is it?
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[20:47] techwraith: taf2: Thanks
[20:47] taf2: oh cool :)
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[20:48] guidocalvano: yo
[20:48] techwraith: taf2++
[20:48] catb0t: taf2 now has 1 beer
[20:48] isaacs: taf2: yeah, then key[0] is the first byte, key[1] is the second, etc.
[20:48] mscdex: catb0t: lol
[20:48] mscdex: catb0t lol
[20:48] mscdex: darn
[20:48] tuhoojabotti: .. lol
[20:48] catb0t: ReferenceError: lol is not defined
[20:48] jerrysv: catb0t++
[20:48] catb0t: catb0t now has 1 beer
[20:48] guidocalvano: can I convert a C++ dylib to a node.je module?
[20:49] taf2: crypto.crerateDecipheriv doesn't like it when i pass it the Buffer like that... it looks to like keybuffer.toString('binary') though... 
[20:49] guidocalvano: *js
[20:49] taf2: guidocalvano, yes, need to look at the v8 docs http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.5.0/api/addons.html
[20:49] isaacs: taf2: https://gist.github.com/1083409
[20:49] saschagehlich: felixge: ping
[20:49] chjj: taf2: deciphers can take base64 strings as the input encoding (ciphers cant due to a bug)
[20:50] chjj: or they cant use it as an output encoding*
[20:50] chjj: but deciphers are alright with regard to base64 as far as i know
[20:51] mendel_: is there a plugin to output a table in console.log?
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[20:51] guidocalvano: taf2: I know that method, but I'd like to build using scons instead of the node build system
[20:51] mendel_: I want nice formatting of my console.log output, \t\t isn't enough
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[20:52] guidocalvano: taf2: or will I be forced to build using node's build system?
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[20:52] mscdex: .talk lol
[20:52] catb0t: talk all day about what a socket hang up, here are my session user or csrf is not
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[20:53] taf2: chjj, oh wait, that's great to know... testing that out
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[20:54] taf2: isaacs, yeah... i'm working up a use case when dealing with binary data... i'll see if i can get it into a smallish file one sec
[20:54] isaacs: mendel_: no, but a tabular layout thingie would be really handy.
[20:55] isaacs: mendel_: esp if you could pass in a 2d array or something
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[20:55] mendel_: yeah exactly
[20:55] isaacs: mendel_: or an array of objects
[20:55] Murvin: yes.. it is the base64 problem.
[20:55] isaacs: that all have the same key
[20:55] taf2: guidocalvano, i imagine best to use node's ... and beyond that i don't know
[20:55] isaacs: *keys
[20:55] Murvin: so, there iis another base64 library?
[20:55] Murvin: is it stable?
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[20:56] mscdex: .talk logo
[20:56] catb0t: talk to each sibling
[20:56] chjj: Murvin: base64 is only broken when used as a cipher's output encoding, nowhere else is it broken
[20:56] Murvin: no..  
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[20:57] Murvin: chjj:  when I do the text, i don't use chiper ('base64').. i use buffer
[20:57] Murvin: new Buffer
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[20:58] mscdex: .talk base64
[20:58] catb0t: base64 , I don't believe all NPM bugs are interesting to bench both talk
[20:58] chjj: Buffer(Buffer('hello world').toString('base64'), 'base64').toString()
[20:58] chjj: works fine for me
[20:58] Murvin: whenever, If i just take the binary or hex from cipher and decode.. no problem
[20:58] seb_m: i have a trivial question. what's the longest anybody here's managed to get a websocket connection to stay up
[20:58] bnoordhuis: guidocalvano: you can side-step node-waf
[20:58] Murvin: and if i encode base64 in cipher, doesn't wworkk
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[20:59] chjj: murvin, i know, thats what i just said
[20:59] mscdex: seb_m: as long as you want, why?
[20:59] seb_m: without it dropping
[20:59] Murvin: and if I use New Buffer to encode , then it doesnt' work
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[20:59] bnoordhuis: guidocalvano: have a look at node-iconv, it's makefile based with a wscript wrapper to please npm
[20:59] Murvin: chjj: so, what can I do?  i need to do base64 encoding and decoding
[20:59] seb_m: mscdex: i'm just curious. wondering if they have a tendency to drop
[20:59] TheJH: seb_m, why should it drop? if you keep-alive-ping every hour or so, it should stay open
[21:00] chjj: outputting a cipher as binary and then converting a binary string to base64 with a buffer should work
[21:00] mscdex: seb_m: as long as the tcp connection is still there, the websocket connection is still there
[21:00] guidocalvano: bnoordhuis: tnx
[21:00] chjj: in fact, it does work for me, i wrote a sessions system that relies on that very workaround
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[21:00] Murvin: chjj:  as I said, that doesnt' work niether. :(
[21:00] seb_m: cheers thejh & mscdex for your responses
[21:00] taf2: isaacs, https://gist.github.com/1083430  
[21:00] taf2: only the base64.decode example works for me in that case
[21:00] bnoordhuis: there are some known issues with crypto atm
[21:00] taf2: i think it could be the buffer encoding when i read from the fs?
[21:01] chjj: bnoordhuis: yeah, were discussing workarounds
[21:01] bnoordhuis: please post test cases in the bug tracker :)
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[21:01] Murvin: wait.. it works. now
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[21:01] isaacs: taf2: ah, maybe there's \n chars in there or something?
[21:01] Murvin: chjj: may be..
[21:01] clip: hi, is it possible to create a "url" leading to an ip adress, for the node server running in my local network?
[21:02] Murvin: chjj:  i have to encrypt the encrypt.update  and encrypt.final separately.
[21:02] taf2: isaacs, that would actually make a lot of sense!  i think you are right
[21:02] Murvin: let me do more testing..
[21:02] TheJH: clip, you have to open a port in your router
[21:03] TheJH: clip, then you can let others access your server using http://<your routers public ip>:<the port you opened in the router>/
[21:03] clip: TheJH: that shouldnt be a problem, can you give me a how to manage this? i just want to make "www.myurl.com" leading to the actual nodeserver
[21:03] taf2: isaacs, yeah. i think that's the issue
[21:03] taf2: s/i think //
[21:03] TheJH: clip: why do you want a domain name?
[21:04] clip: because the server should be easily reachable in the local network, and its not very comfortable to type an ip adress
[21:04] TheJH: clip: aaah, that's something else
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[21:05] TheJH: clip: which operating system are you using?
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[21:05] clip: windows
[21:05] addisonj:  /j #moodle
[21:05] clip: TheJH: you mean as server or client
[21:05] TheJH: clip: as client
[21:06] clip: TheJH: ios or android
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[21:07] TheJH: clip: I would have told you to edit your hostsfile, but on mobile devices...
[21:07] TheJH: :(
[21:08] clip: TheJH: puh, yea 
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[21:08] TheJH: clip, you could try just typing in the hostname of your windows machine, maybe your dns server does some magic
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[21:08] TheJH: fritzboxes do such magic
[21:09] aces235: Can anyone assist me with an error i am getting?
[21:10] clip: TheJH: hmm, ok i could try that, but there is no way to do some dns stuff on the nodeserver
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[21:11] PragCypher_: hi, Im getting this build error.  Googled to no avail
[21:11] PragCypher_: Build failed:  -> task failed (err #2): 
[21:11] PragCypher_: 	{task: libv8.a SConstruct -> libv8.a}
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[21:11] TheJH: clip, no, I mean, on your existing dns server
[21:11] PragCypher_: could anyone please help?
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[21:11] TheJH: PragCypher_, please post the full output in a gist or so
[21:12] PragCypher_: ok thnx
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[21:13] clip: TheJH: so the fritzbox detects a server running on the machine, and redirects?
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[21:13] mendel_: I made a silly script that loops a directory and gives the IMDB ranking + genre of that movie (well.. if you're looping a dir with movies ;))
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[21:14] mendel_: anyone interested? should I publish to npm?
[21:14] llrcombs: always
[21:14] llrcombs: ALWAYS publish to npm
[21:14] mendel_: haha
[21:14] llrcombs: unless it's... really and completely useless
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[21:14] llrcombs: we need a bot to parse links like npm://nttpd
[21:15] TheJH: but if you can laugh about it, publish it anyway
[21:15] llrcombs: into http://search.npmjs.org/#/nttpd
[21:15] TheJH: I'd do it if I had a computer that runs all the time
[21:15] llrcombs: or npm://cli-ui to http://search.npmjs.org/#/CLI-UI
[21:16] isaacs: llrcombs: it could just do `npm docs <whatever>` with it
[21:16] PragCypher_: https://gist.github.com/1083464
[21:17] llrcombs: `npm docs CLI-UI
[21:17] llrcombs: `npm help
[21:17] llrcombs: ohwait, you meant in console
[21:17] llrcombs: I meant in IRC
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[21:17] isaacs: yeah, but i mean, it could just take that same output and post into here
[21:17] llrcombs: like, #xkcd at foonetic has alpha:// for wolfram alpha, xkcd:// for the comics, trope:// for tvtropes...
[21:18] llrcombs: oh, point taken
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[21:18] Tobbe: mendel_: I'd be interesting to look at that script. Is it on github already?
[21:18] CIA-107: node: 03Henry Rawas 07master * ra13506b 10/ lib/net_uv.js : net_uv: sockets should be writable during connection - http://bit.ly/pBjwxT
[21:18] chjj: hmm, the new node logo is unfortunate
[21:18] chjj: i miss the cloud logo
[21:18] jedahan: i am getting a 404 not found in my index.html when i try to include /dnode.js . I am using express, what should I fill in for 'app.get /dnode.js , (req,res) ->  ' ?
[21:19] jedahan: oh snap, this is dnode specific
[21:19] jedahan: mybad if this is the wrong channel
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[21:19] chjj: jedahan: use the static middleware
[21:20] SubStack: jedahan: you don't need to fill anything in, dnode mounts the route for /dnode.js when you dnode(...).listen(app)
[21:20] chjj: or that 
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[21:21] mendel_: Tobbe: it's really basic, see https://skitch.com/mendelbenjamin/fj6jq/1-thanks-for-flying-vim-bash
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[21:21] mendel_: will publish it
[21:21] sooli: Hello, I have to add users using a script, what is the best solution ?
[21:21] dingomanatee: Drupal :D
[21:22] chjj: i wouldnt trust anything said by someone whos name is a concatenation of "dingo" and "manatee"
[21:22] chjj: !
[21:22] TheJH: sooli: add users to what?
[21:23] sooli: oops sorry wrong channel :)
[21:23] jedahan: ahh SubStack  thanks DNode.listen app did it :)
[21:23] dingomanatee: Apparently you're not familiar with the 16th century flautist Ricardo Gomanatee. 
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[21:23] chjj: =( stop challenging my knowledgability
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[21:24] dingomanatee: As long as there is no ironclad way to prove the nonexistence of historical figures I'll do what I want. 
[21:24] Tobbe: mendel_: you seem to have your good/bad limit at 6.0. Are you pretty satisfied with that or do you find that a lot of good movies gets less than 6? Or that a lot of bad movies get more than 6?
[21:24] TheJH: :)
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[21:25] Tobbe: mendel_: I have my limit at 6.5 right now, but I'm thinking of lowering it...
[21:26] CIA-107: node: 03isaacs 07master * r9b5098f 10/ (7 files in 7 dirs): 
[21:26] CIA-107: node: Close #1281 Make require a public member of module
[21:26] CIA-107: node: Reviewed by @felixge - http://bit.ly/qis9ZI
[21:26] CIA-107: node: 03Elijah Insua 07master * rb722aaa 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[21:26] CIA-107: node: Close #1303 Stream.pipe returns the destination
[21:26] CIA-107: node: Squashed:
[21:26] CIA-107: node: * Simple change to make Stream.pipe(destination) return the destination Stream
[21:26] CIA-107: node: * Test: ensure Stream.pipe(destination) returns the destination Stream
[21:26] CIA-107: node: * updated Stream.pipe() documentation to reflect that it now returns the
[21:26] CIA-107: node:  destination stream - http://bit.ly/nVJkdy
[21:26] mendel_: Tobbe: well, I prefer > 8 of course.. but this is the hdd of my sister (a lot of crap movies)
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[21:27] eldios: guys do you have an example, gist or anything about reading JSON file reading?
[21:28] Tobbe: mendel_: You'd skip a lot of movies worth watching if you did't watch any movies < 8
[21:28] mendel_: true
[21:28] ctide: eldios: jsonObj = JSON.parse(fs.readFileSync('file.json'));
[21:28] mendel_: depends on the setting/mood
[21:28] isaacs: ctide: you need an encoding on there.
[21:28] isaacs:  jsonObj = JSON.parse(fs.readFileSync('file.json', 'utf8'));
[21:28] eldios: mmm :/ ctide same with async?
[21:29] ctide: isaacs: true, thanks
[21:29] ctide: eldios: slightly different, but the gist of it is the same
[21:29] CIA-107: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r7a78216 10/ (48 files in 10 dirs): Upgrade libuv to f5ff8694 - http://bit.ly/rldVEH
[21:29] eldios: ctide, I suppose something like 
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[21:30] beriberikix: is there a release today?
[21:30] eldios: var jsonObj , fileVar = fs.read('file.json',callback(data){ jsonObj = JSON.parse(data) } ;
[21:31] eldios: I missed a ) at the end
[21:31] mendel_: Tobbe: https://github.com/mendelbenjamin/node-imdb
[21:31] Tobbe: thanks
[21:32] ctide: yeah, that's pretty much it eldios, except you don't need the fileVar = part
[21:32] ctide: and you'd want readFile vs. read
[21:32] ctide: https://gist.github.com/1083514
[21:33] chjj: 0.5.1 landing today?
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[21:34] chjj: libuv by default? things getting interesting
[21:34] ryah: libuv will not be default
[21:34] ryah: getting closer
[21:35] chjj: ah
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[21:35] eldios: nice tnx ctide 
[21:36] ctide: np
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[21:37] Tobbe: In a synchronous language when I see "int main() { a(); b(); c(); }" I know that it will first do "a", then "b" and then "c". In node I'd just see "a". Then I would have to read the entire "a" function to find that it calls "b", and then read entire "b" to find out that it calls "c".
[21:38] Tobbe: How do I get the same overview of a nodejs program as I do for my old synch programs?
[21:38] Skola: you can name your functions
[21:38] Tobbe: doesn't help
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[21:38] Tobbe: still have to read them to see that they call the next function etc
[21:38] Bwen: well yeah usualy you read stuff to know what it does
[21:39] chjj: yeah, i was about to say, thats how you comprehend code
[21:39] chjj: you read it
[21:39] chjj: you dont just glance at it
[21:39] Tobbe: yeah I do. And then I read the code that I'm interested in right now
[21:40] Bwen: Tobbe: but I kind of understand what you are saying. The thing is you cannot code procedurally in node.js... its more event based cuz of its asynchronous nature
[21:40] n00dles: agreed, you'd still have to read all the procedural code - you just end up reading it all in a different order with functional
[21:40] n00dles: but i do catch your drift ;)
[21:41] Bwen: Tobbe: in know you are more going to look at what triggers which event/callback... its a different read... thats how I understand it anyhow
[21:41] Bwen: in nodejs*
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[21:42] n00dles: think of it a bit lite a normal book vs choose your own adventure ;)
[21:42] n00dles: s/lite/like/
[21:43] Bwen: but without the noodles
[21:43] n00dles: lol
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[21:46] Tobbe: say you're writing a laundry program. In an async language it would look like "main() { putLaundryInMachine(); if noDetergentInMachine(): addDetergent(); startMachine(); } How would you write that in node?
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[21:48] Bwen: well depends if you want to allow the machine to start without anything in it... including detergent
[21:48] Tobbe: I don't
[21:48] Tobbe: and for some reason you have to put the laundry in before you can add the detergent
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[21:49] caleb_: Whats the best method for combining chunked data that is read from http.get() ? I'm getting JSON data and its spanning multiple chunks.
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[21:50] Draggor: var store = ''; req.on('data', function(data) { store += data; });  req.on('end', function() { do stuff with store here });
[21:51] rhdoenges: ^^
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[21:51] Draggor: And of course mind your references and etc.
[21:51] caleb_: Draggor: thanks.
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[21:53] taybin: I'm playing with node.js and using the knox s3 library. the data that is returned is chunked, and when I log it to the console, it just prints:
[21:54] taybin: <Buffer 3c 3f 78...>
[21:54] taybin: How can I convert this to a string?
[21:54] Draggor: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.9/api/buffers.html
[21:55] taybin: thanks. that did not come up in my googling :(
[21:55] Bwen: Tobbe: I could improve it I guess but here it is http://pastie.org/2214751
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[21:55] Draggor: Just keep the api on hand :)
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[21:56] taybin: toString('utf8') much better :D
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[21:57] calex: Hi, i need to write small node.js app that will connect to evented comet server that keep persistant connections, I'm connecting to it via net.createConnection, but .no('data') doesn't show me nothing
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[22:02] calex: I tried also with http.get, but i don't know how to catch when server dies
[22:02] Tobbe: Bwen: How does "Machine" know when "addDetergent" is done so that it can actually start?
[22:03] Tobbe: (I'm guessing "start" generates the pre-start event, and shouldn't actually start until pre-start is done)
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[22:03] Bwen: well you can either add another callback or have addDetergent method trigger an event on Machine.on('added-detergent', function(){});
[22:04] Bwen: Tobbe: and actualy I should of declared the "on()" before calling machine.start()
[22:04] Bwen: of course you have to inherit from EventEmitter
[22:04] Bwen: :P
[22:05] Tobbe: I understand how it would work with an "added-detergent" event
[22:05] Tobbe: but how would it look with another callback?
[22:05] Bwen: you pass the function as an argument
[22:05] Bwen: and within the addDetergent( callback) { you call it; at the end; callback(); }
[22:06] Bwen: it would then be this.addDetergent(function (arg){ done });
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[22:10] Bwen: Tobbe: http://pastie.org/2214825
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[22:11] Mansi: hi
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[22:12] creationix: do I have to drive up to SF for office hours?
[22:13] brion: does anybody know if there's something funky in the webworker module that prevents modifying global variables in the 'global' object?
[22:13] brion: I'm trying to set things explicitly and ending up with them staying at undefined :(
[22:13] Tobbe: Bwen: http://pastie.org/2214834 See how I had to call reallyStart() four times instead of just once as I did in my synchronous example? Is there any way around that?
[22:14] creationix: oh, I see, irc is allowed for office hours, that's cool
[22:15] brion: this is just within the worker process; i'm not trying to share data with the parent
[22:15] brion: i can literally do global.$ = require('jquery'); and then check global.$ and it's undefined, even though the module got loaded
[22:15] Bwen: Tobbe: hehe you dont have to start it.. you we already called machine.start() which emitted 'pre-start' then continue with the reallyStart()... but actualy you are already in the function start...
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[22:16] Tobbe: Bwen: but that's no good. Because then it would just emit "pre-start" and then start running the machine before we even had time to add any laundry or any detergent
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[22:17] keyvan: mscdex: i just got your message. thank you!!!
[22:17] keyvan: mscdex: it's worth a lot. a lot.
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[22:17] clip: TheJH: i just started my server und tried to reach it with the pc-name (http://my-pc) but it doesnt work, do i have to enter the port or sth else
[22:17] keyvan: clip: you new?
[22:18] keyvan: clip: when asking a question such as that which you just asked--it is customary to provide source code. you can use paste services such as pastie.org pastebin.com
[22:18] TheJH: clip, then maybe your DNS server doesn't automatically create dns names for the names the computers advertise
[22:18] clip: keyvan: quite, i'm trying to reach my nodeserver over an url like www.my-server in a local network
[22:19] TheJH: keyvan, he was here earlier and we had a short conversation
[22:19] keyvan: clip: in the source you tell the server what port to bind to, so that answer should be quite obv
[22:19] clip: ok, is this a setting, or it just works or not
[22:19] TheJH: but were unable to solve his problem
[22:19] keyvan: clip: no, its the first parameter of .listen
[22:19] keyvan: TheJH: which problem? how to ask properly? or his DNS problem?
[22:19] TheJH: keyvan, he's not talking about nodejs specific stuff
[22:19] Bwen: tobbe: you could do this http://pastie.org/2214863 but i'm sure there is a better solution though :P
[22:20] TheJH: keyvan, his problem "how can I reach my server on my smartphone without typing the ip each time"
[22:20] keyvan: well... /etc/hosts
[22:20] keyvan: clip: ^ 
[22:20] TheJH: keyvan, smartphone is the client, nodejs server on windows or so
[22:20] keyvan: ah
[22:20] keyvan: hrm...
[22:20] TheJH: no /etc/hosts on smartphones
[22:20] keyvan: right 
[22:20] clip: right...
[22:20] Tobbe: Bwen: wow, that's ugly! :p
[22:21] Bwen: I guess I chained the event chain badly :P
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[22:21] keyvan: clip: shit man, how do u expect everyone to know all these details, you should be thanking TheJH with your life or something equivalent.
[22:21] clip: i thaught there could be some kind of possibility
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[22:21] clip: keyvan: yea sorry about that, i just wanted to continue where we ended ip
[22:21] clip: up
[22:21] TheJH: keyvan, that's why he prefixed the message with my name.
[22:22] keyvan: 
ACTION didnt notice that haha sorry

[22:22] TheJH: if the DNS server would offer this stuff, it would help, but as long as it's some cheap router hanging on the wall, there isn't much you can do about it
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[22:22] keyvan: clip: do you have a remote domain name?
[22:22] keyvan: clip: i mean a real domain name anywhere?
[22:23] guidocalvano: how do you say what object files and header files to include in a waf wscript file
[22:23] keyvan: clip: you can set the A record of it to your local ip like 192.168.0.123 or wherever the node server is
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[22:23] keyvan: clip: or some subdomain of a domain name you own.
[22:23] guidocalvano: its probably a stupid question, but its 12:20 at night and I want to get this to work
[22:23] krazyjakee: hi all
[22:23] Tobbe: Bwen: This must be something that everyone new to event driven programing trips on. Isn't there something written about this somewhere?
[22:23] krazyjakee: Anyone dealt with facebook auth without the plugin?
[22:23] clip: keyvan: ah ok, but the devices in the local network than also need internet access to resolve the domain
[22:24] keyvan: clip: indeed.
[22:24] krazyjakee: my question is essentially how to do https get requests like file_get_contents (php)
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[22:24] clip: puh, a tricky situation....
[22:25] keyvan: clip: smartphone on a network with no internet? thats weird. but i understand its bad if you're workin in a lab environment.... only thing u can do then is run a dns server which i know pretty much nil about
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[22:26] CIA-107: node: Addons should not -DEV_MULTIPLICITY=0
[22:26] CIA-107: node: Fixes #1229
[22:26] CIA-107: node: Fixes #1332 - http://bit.ly/o4723R
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[22:26] clip: keyvan: it's an app only used in the local network... the smartphones normaly are connected to the internet, but not for this app
[22:26] keyvan: clip: also keep in mind that windows and linux computers seem to do hostnames differently... if its a linux machine you may need to install some additional packages or even samba or some kind of netbios thing to get a windows hostname
[22:27] Bwen: tobbe: http://pastie.org/2214885 I'm not sure where you could find more about this... hmmm
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[22:28] keyvan: clip: donno. going to bed good luck
[22:28] clip: keyvan: thanks anyway
[22:28] bnoordhuis: guidocalvano: re headers / objects files: how to install?
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[22:29] random123: is there a module for apache cassandra?
[22:29] CIA-107: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * rb5e7b78 10/ lib/dns_uv.js : 
[22:29] CIA-107: node: Revert "net_uv: fix localhost resolution - was defaulting to ::1 on OSX"
[22:29] CIA-107: node: Breaks test/internet/test-dns.js
[22:29] CIA-107: node: This reverts commit 6d8b082eedc10a2827091b8b803760ba2fd8d616. - http://bit.ly/pzJ5HK
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[22:30] guidocalvano: bnoordhuis: I have a header ogrejs.h, an object ogrejs.o, and a file ogrejsnode.cpp that invokes a method in ogrejs.o, declared in ogrejs.h
[22:30] Tobbe: Bwen: that won't work. I passed a callback to addDetergent because it's an async method (yeah, I know, I didn't explicitly state this previously)
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[22:30] guidocalvano: bnoorhuis: I just need to get that to work 
[22:30] Tobbe: Bwen: And so would addLaundry be...
[22:30] bnoordhuis: guidocalvano: you want to set up the include path?
[22:31] Bwen: Tobbe: I keep forgetting :P
[22:31] guidocalvano: guidocalvano: yes, and I want it to link to the object file
[22:31] guidocalvano: bnoordhuis: yes, and I want it to link to the object file
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[22:32] bnoordhuis: guidocalvano: conf.env.append_value('CXXFLAGS', '-Ipath/to/headers')
[22:32] guidocalvano: member:bnoordhuis:  its bl**dy simpel, but its 12:30 at night and I'm tired, and the waf tutorials seem to be very general, and take a long time to get to the c+++
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[22:33] bnoordhuis: guidocalvano: https://github.com/bnoordhuis/node-profiler/blob/master/wscript
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[22:33] bnoordhuis: you'd set up the include path in the configure() function
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[22:34] guidocalvano: bnoordhuis: does this work too?   conf.env.append_value('CXXFLAGS', '-arch i386')
[22:35] raZer: can we install multiple versions of same module using npm? I didn't quite understand the Package Manager Tips documentation in modules.html
[22:35] bnoordhuis: guidocalvano: `-march=i386`, with gcc at least
[22:35] guidocalvano: bnoordhuis: I need to link the object file still
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[22:35] guidocalvano: bnoordhuis: using g++ on mac
[22:36] isaacs: raZer: not in the same prefix
[22:36] isaacs: raZer: but they can be nested such that they override one another
[22:36] isaacs: raZer: see `npm help folders` for more info
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[22:36] bnoordhuis: guidocalvano: link as in link against a dylib?
[22:36] guidocalvano: bnoordhuis: no I compile it as a normal object now
[22:36] raZer: thanks.. /usr/lib/node/foo/1.2.3/ ... for example.. npm never installs it in 1.2.3 folder anyways
[22:36] guidocalvano: bnoordhuis: seemed easier
[22:36] raZer: it just installs stuff under /foo as u said
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[22:37] raZer: do I do the folder ordering myself then?
[22:37] isaacs: raZer: yeah
[22:37] isaacs: that's tips if you happen to be *building* a package manager.
[22:37] isaacs: not using one :)
[22:37] bnoordhuis: guidocalvano: right, just set `t.source = ['foo.cc', 'bar.cc']`
[22:37] isaacs: raZer: you can also just use npm.  that's an option :)
[22:37] raZer: oh.. cool.. i have some v8 libraries and wanted to imitate some of your work :)
[22:38] guidocalvano: bnoordhuis: can I add the .o file to source as well? I need that file compiled
[22:38] isaacs: raZer: feel free to steal directly and blatantly.  just obey the MIT lic.
[22:38] guidocalvano: bnoordhuis: the .o file is a waspnest of dependencies
[22:38] bnoordhuis: guidocalvano: ah, right - yeah, i think that works
[22:38] bnoordhuis: waspnest :)
[22:38] raZer: isaacs: wonderful... not planning to do any complicated stuff yet :) .. 
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[22:40] raZer: isaacs: I was wondering how the .node native extensions are being loaded by node's 'require' .. I was able to get the 'require' for loading normal Js modules into v8 shell.. next step is to be able to load my v8 native libraries like node does
[22:40] isaacs: raZer: read through node's lib/module.js
[22:40] isaacs: raZer: it does a process.dlopen
[22:40] guidocalvano: bnoordhuis: Cannot guess how to process src:///Users/guidocalvano/Tree/Data/Projecten/OgreJS/OgreJS/ogrejs.o (got mappings ['.C', '.cc', '.cpp', '.c++', '.cxx'] in <class 'cxx.cxx_taskgen'>) -> try conf.check_tool(..)?
[22:40] raZer: isaacs: okay.. just doing that.. will get back with questions :D .. thanks
[22:40] isaacs: np
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[22:43] bnoordhuis: guidocalvano: ehm, maybe ctx.env.append_value('LDFLAGS', 'file.o') ?
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[22:44] guidocalvano: bnoodrhuis: where is the ctx pythonobject?
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[22:45] Tobbe: Bwen: Thanks for your help/input. I can't spend any more time on this right now. Have to sleep :(
[22:46] bnoordhuis: guidocalvano: it gets passed to your configure() or build() function
[22:47] Bwen: Tobbe: sorry I couldnt provide good answer :P
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[22:51] mendel_: Tobbe: I've implemented the < 6, >= 6 < 8 & > 8 ranking ;) https://github.com/mendelbenjamin/node-imdb
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[22:52] knuthy: I'm trying to use haibu-server right now, but I've got the same output as this gist : https://gist.github.com/1037088
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[22:52] CIA-107: node: Merge branch 'v0.4'
[22:52] CIA-107: node: Conflicts:
[22:52] CIA-107: node:  deps/libev/wscript
[22:52] CIA-107: node:  doc/api/modules.markdown - http://bit.ly/pzyC4V
[22:52] knuthy: tried with the example given in haibu's repo but without success
[22:55] guidocalvano: bnoordhuis: http://pastebin.com/BmrspU3U   still nothing... it complains about the header
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[22:57] bnoordhuis: guidocalvano: conf.env.append_value('CXXFLAGS', '-I./ -arch i386') <- must be a list, so do '-I./ -arch i386'.split()
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[22:58] bnoordhuis: guidocalvano: obj.env.append_value('LDFLAGS', 'ogre.o') <- may need to move that to configure()
[22:58] bnoordhuis: guidocalvano: and if all else fails, run node-waf with the -v flag
[22:58] guidocalvano: verbose mode?
[22:58] bnoordhuis: yep
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[23:00] guidocalvano: (:
[23:00] guidocalvano: bnoordhuis: I think I got it
[23:00] guidocalvano: bnoordhuis: time to test the pudding
[23:01] guidocalvano: bnoordhuis: where in NL do you live? I can imagine stumbling into you at amsterdam js some day
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[23:01] bnoordhuis: guidocalvano: gouda
[23:01] bnoordhuis: guidocalvano: en de boemel naar 020 is voorwaar geen pretje
[23:01] guidocalvano: guidocalvano: ik in amsterdam. ov uberhaupt vaak niet
[23:02] mendel_: niks tegen 020 he! ;)
[23:02] bnoordhuis: niks mis met 020 hoor
[23:02] bnoordhuis: het zijn de mensen
[23:02] guidocalvano: he he he
[23:02] guidocalvano: net vond ik hem aardiger 
[23:02] guidocalvano: toen ie me nog hielp
[23:03] mendel_: haha
[23:03] bnoordhuis: was een grapje, jongens
[23:03] bnoordhuis: wet van de grote getallen
[23:03] bnoordhuis: op die 700,000 amsterdammers moeten er wel een paar goeie zijn
[23:03] mendel_: snap het, van mij ook
[23:03] guidocalvano: is goed hoor (:
[23:04] guidocalvano: nederland is zowieso vreemd de laatste tijd
[23:04] guidocalvano: mag van mij ook allemaal wat hartelijker de laatste tijd. ook op tv
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[23:04] bnoordhuis: terug naar de jaren 50! ieder zijn eigen zuil!
[23:04] mraleph: it's amazing that's it's impossible to decrypt dutch just by thinking and analogies. 
[23:05] bnoordhuis: haha
[23:05] guidocalvano: boek = book
[23:05] guidocalvano: mag = may
[23:05] guidocalvano: mij = me
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[23:05] bnoordhuis: and the most important one: bier = beer
[23:05] guidocalvano: once you get the feel for it its not that hard
[23:05] mraleph: that one I knew ;-)
[23:06] jerrysv: beer is something you never lose track of
[23:06] guidocalvano: ik mag hopen van niet
[23:06] guidocalvano: zo'n grote harige rakker bij me gerstenat... akelige gedachte
[23:06] bnoordhuis: guidocalvano: amsterdam.js? never been there
[23:06] bnoordhuis: should i?
[23:07] guidocalvano: two days ago there was some dude who built a parser/profiler/debugger
[23:07] bnoordhuis: so, worthwhile?
[23:07] guidocalvano: and last month there was a talk by the lead of plask, and a tutorial on how to build a game server
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[23:07] guidocalvano: both times I went home with some useful new knowledge
[23:08] mr: how to detect broken long http.get request ?
[23:08] guidocalvano: the guy that built the parser, that was quite cool to see
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[23:08] guidocalvano: and last time I learned of nowjs
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[23:08] guidocalvano: a very useful lib
[23:08] bnoordhuis: guidocalvano: ping me next time and i'll come over (probably)
[23:08] guidocalvano: I will
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[23:09] mendel_: why should you use nowjs instead of socket.io?
[23:09] guidocalvano: check the mailinglist; http://groups.google.com/group/amsterdam-js
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[23:09] guidocalvano: because nowjs gives you an api as simple as remote method invocation
[23:10] guidocalvano: where in nl do you live mendel?
[23:10] mendel_: amsterdam
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[23:12] guidocalvano: where?
[23:12] guidocalvano: I live in uilenstede
[23:12] mendel_: centrum, randje oost
[23:12] guidocalvano: do you go to amsterdam js some times?
[23:12] guidocalvano: nice place to live
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[23:13] guidocalvano: I was raised in the rivierenbuurt
[23:13] mendel_: nope, haven't been there tbh
[23:13] guidocalvano: if i load a node module with nothing in it, would that create an error?
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[23:13] jerrysv: guidocalvano: no
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[23:14] guidocalvano: Error: No module symbol found in module.
[23:14] guidocalvano: ?
[23:14] krazyjakee: where can I find some simple node.js mongodb examples. Google is turning up rubbish :s
[23:15] bnoordhuis: guidocalvano: extern "C" void init(Handle<Object> target) { /* ... */ }
[23:16] bnoordhuis: the init function needs c linkage
[23:16] guidocalvano: extern "C" {
[23:16] guidocalvano:   static void init (Handle<Object> target)
[23:16] bnoordhuis: drop the static
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[23:16] jerrysv: aha, sorry, compiled module.
[23:16] bnoordhuis: static means compilation unit visibility only
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[23:17] guidocalvano: still no luck
[23:17] guidocalvano: same error
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[23:18] bnoordhuis: guidocalvano: code?
[23:18] guidocalvano: require( './build/default/ogre.node' ) ;
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[23:18] guidocalvano: http://pastebin.com/pCD3KWJ2
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[23:19] guidocalvano: I haven't had dinner yet...
[23:19] guidocalvano: I just want to get his to work
[23:20] mr: anyone can help me with my question ?
[23:20] bnoordhuis: guidocalvano: try a single init() function, drop the NODE_MODULE bit
[23:20] bnoordhuis: mr what's your question?
[23:21] mr: i'm running long http.get request, and wonder if it's possible to detect if it got disconnected
[23:21] guidocalvano: same error
[23:21] bnoordhuis: mr you can listen for error events
[23:22] mr: bnoordhuis: that doesn't work for get
[23:22] mr: error works fine for http.request (without end) but then i can't fetch the data
[23:22] bnoordhuis: mr gist your code?
[23:23] bnoordhuis: guidocalvano: is your code on github?
[23:23] guidocalvano: I can commit
[23:23] guidocalvano: but it doesn't do much yet
[23:24] mr: bnoordhuis: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/438996/
[23:24] guidocalvano: it pushed it
[23:25] guidocalvano: https://github.com/guidocalvano/OgreJS
[23:25] bnoordhuis: mr you need to call req.end(), else nothing happens
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[23:25] guidocalvano: the files are SConstruct for building ogre.o
[23:25] mr: bnoordhuis: in docs http.get says it will call it
[23:26] guidocalvano: ogre.o is built out of ogrejs.h and ogrejs.cpp
[23:26] bnoordhuis: mr it does?
[23:26] guidocalvano: and then ogrejsnode.cpp exposes ogre.o with ogre.h to node
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[23:26] guidocalvano: *ogrejs.h
[23:26] bnoordhuis: guidocalvano: there's no wscript?
[23:26] mr: bnoordhuis: "The only difference between this method and http.request() is that it sets the method to GET and calls req.end() "
[23:26] guidocalvano: one sec
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[23:27] bnoordhuis: mr damn... well, that's wrong
[23:28] mr: bnoordhuis: what my code ?
[23:29] bnoordhuis: mr sorry, no
[23:29] bnoordhuis: mr i was thinking of the wrong method in http.js
[23:29] bnoordhuis: mr yes, get() calls end() for you
[23:30] mr: bnoordhuis: right, and if i just shutdown my server this code works like nothing happened.
[23:30] bnoordhuis: mr you need to use http.request()
[23:30] guidocalvano: bnoordhuis: its up
[23:30] niftylettuce: tjholowaychuk: what do you have in store for Stylus now :)?
[23:30] tjholowaychuk: secret
[23:31] mr: bnoordhuis: and what's the trick then ? if i change to .request and then put req.end() this still doesn't detect shutdowns
[23:31] guidocalvano: bnoordhuis: dont run the install scripts though!
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[23:31] guidocalvano: bnoordhuis: they aren't done yet
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[23:32] bnoordhuis: guidocalvano: i won't :)
[23:32] bnoordhuis: mr between request() and end() you register an error listener with req.on('error', fn)
[23:32] guidocalvano: I want to link a 3D engine to node
[23:32] Kai`: Is it possible to resolve the home directory in Node? e.g., want to fs.writeFile to home folder but node doesn't seem to parse aliases
[23:33] mr: bnoordhuis: been there, done that.
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[23:35] yozgrahame: anyone here playing with socketstream? Wondering if there's a particular best incantation for developing with supervisor
[23:35] yozgrahame: given that socketstream apps are run with "socketstream start" and no app file
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[23:36] mr: bnoordhuis: putting end at the after all .on hooks doesn't change anything, maybe i should run some internal loop that will ping that server (but i think it's kind of lame)
[23:36] chapel: yozgrahame: what are you trying to make?
[23:36] yozgrahame: oh, a little MUD-style thing
[23:37] yozgrahame: I'm just experimenting
[23:37] chapel: have you used node before?
[23:37] yozgrahame: yes
[23:37] chapel: how fluent are you?
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[23:37] yozgrahame: um, where is this going?
[23:37] Kai`: bleh, just found process.env. Nvm
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[23:38] jerrysv: and built a mud before?
[23:38] chapel: well socketstream is not really something worth investing time in (no offense to whoever wrote it, but I just see no reason using it)
[23:38] yozgrahame: I've built a multi-user sandboxed JS run environment that has bidirectional comms with a 3D virtual world, if that counts for anything
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[23:39] chapel: Im not questioning your ability, just intentions behind using socketstream
[23:39] jerrysv: yozgrahame: was just curious, i used to build muds back in the day
[23:39] bnoordhuis: guidocalvano: https://gist.github.com/028a0ddac177bd7aeb9c <- this works (for me, on x86_64)
[23:40] yozgrahame: chapel: I did wonder along the same lines, but I'm interested in where socketstream is going as a framework, and the choices they're making, plus they have a lot of useful stuff out of the box
[23:40] niftylettuce: AOL sponsors socketstream
[23:40] chapel: haha, aol
[23:40] niftylettuce: w/e that means..
[23:40] niftylettuce: AOL. (looks like a-hole)
[23:40] yozgrahame: um, the sponsorship is irrelevant, isn't it?
[23:40] jerrysv: disagree
[23:40] chapel: my major concern with socketstream is that its conventions are not very typical in the node world, that can be good or bad
[23:40] jerrysv: aol has done a lot of reorg lately
[23:41] chapel: aol is a news agency now
[23:41] chapel: they love their lists :)
[23:41] Nexxy: hasn't it been for many years?
[23:41] chapel: yep
[23:41] jerrysv: yes, but a large internal shakeup happened with the huffington post takeover
[23:41] yozgrahame: ok, so nobody can tell me how to use socketstream with supervisor
[23:41] yozgrahame: thanks
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[23:42] chapel: I can't
[23:42] chapel: I can only tell you not to use it :)
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[23:43] chapel: but who am I to tell you what to do
[23:44] guidocalvano: bnoordhuis: what do you pass to require ?
[23:44] yozgrahame: I understand your objections, but they seem to be at the philosophical level, and the point of abstraction frameworks is to provide a DSL that's different from the underlying engines
[23:44] yozgrahame: I get all that
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[23:44] yozgrahame: what I'm doing here is an experimental prototype
[23:44] bnoordhuis: guidocalvano: node -e 'require("./build/default/ogre.node");'
[23:44] devaholic: isaacs: i lol'd
[23:45] isaacs: oh?
[23:45] devaholic: your email
[23:45] Nexxy: omfg coffeescript is ugly
[23:45] chapel: I disagree that their point is to provide a vastly different DSL from the underlying engine
[23:45] devaholic: did you like that hidden node.js symbol find thing
[23:45] isaacs: devaholic: yeah, i thought that was pretty neat.
[23:45] mr: bnoordhuis: ok i think i got this working, using createClient, and then binding callbacks
[23:45] devaholic: i had to tweet it
[23:45] isaacs: devaholic: i didn't notice that until today
[23:46] devaholic: i'll see what ryanh says
[23:46] devaholic: did you guys plan it? heh
[23:46] c4milo1: Nexxy: ++ 
[23:46] PeterPeterPeter: Hello
[23:46] devaholic: guess not
[23:46] isaacs: devaholic: i dunno.
[23:46] isaacs: devaholic: i didn't design it.  we hired somebody
[23:46] PeterPeterPeter: anyone want to check out my first nodejs project :)
[23:46] Nexxy: is it a chat app?
[23:46] PeterPeterPeter: yeah
[23:46] PeterPeterPeter: it is
[23:46] Nexxy: if so, I already have...
[23:47] Nexxy: 20 times
[23:47] PeterPeterPeter: well it's a bit different
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[23:47] PeterPeterPeter: it's non-anonymous
[23:47] devaholic: support the new logo a bit, even out all the hate
[23:47] jerrysv: if it's not a chat app, it's a framework
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[23:47] Nexxy: a chat app framework framework!?
[23:48] Nexxy: count me in.
[23:48] devaholic: isaacs: ahh i see, well its far from bad, it's just not really hipster
[23:48] jerrysv: a chat app framework framework auto-builder
[23:48] Nexxy: jerrysv, but is it web scale?!
[23:48] PeterPeterPeter: it's a chat app that gets you inside the other person's minde
[23:48] PeterPeterPeter: mind
[23:48] PeterPeterPeter: you can then read minds
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[23:48] isaacs: devaholic: it's actually pretty good at communicating what node is all about to people who aren't technical enough to read and understand the docs and code.
[23:48] jerrysv: nexxy: it can auto-build things that are web scale, so it's very meta
[23:48] PeterPeterPeter: it is a direct websocket connection to the person's mind
[23:49] Nexxy: PeterPeterPeter, I find that concept to be morally reprehensible
[23:49] Nexxy: please discontinue development and destroy any existing code base
[23:49] Nexxy: or the consequences will never be the same
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[23:49] PeterPeterPeter: at least it is physically stimulating
[23:49] isaacs: devaholic: a logo for a tech project is a part of a way that we help execs be ok with their tech people using it.
[23:49] devaholic: isaacs: i liked it.  my only beef was simply that it was changed, but joyent/node.js is young enough that you guys can get away with it
[23:49] isaacs: devaholic: yeah
[23:49] PeterPeterPeter: Anyone want to give me their opinions about my app?
[23:50] isaacs: devaholic: now's the time.  and really, node.js *isn't* a cloud provider, so the previous one was a bit misleading
[23:50] Nexxy: yeah wtf now what am I going to do with my node.conf shirt!?
[23:50] isaacs: maybe it'll change again someday.  who knows.
[23:50] isaacs: Nexxy: it's a collectors' item now!  it's retro!
[23:50] jerrysv: nexxy: keep wearing it, it'll be retro
[23:50] Nexxy: ;o
[23:50] jerrysv: ugh, thanks isaacs
[23:50] Nexxy: 
ACTION runs to the closet

[23:50] chapel: lol
[23:50] PeterPeterPeter: i guess not
[23:50] Nexxy: I WAS USING NODE BEFORE THEY CHANGED THEIR LOGO
[23:50] chapel: now you are pre-hex-node
[23:50] Nexxy: 
ACTION plastic frame glasses

[23:50] chapel: yep
[23:50] jerrysv: 
ACTION almost wore his today

[23:51] isaacs: dude, i've got a node[cloud]js button on my bag.
[23:51] devaholic: i think it'd be in the best interest of node.js to just settle on one :P
[23:51] isaacs: super retro original
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[23:51] Nexxy: isaacs, but was your bag sourced from sustainable materials and manufactured locally?
[23:51] Nexxy: *that's* the important question
[23:51] isaacs: Nexxy: probably not
[23:51] isaacs: Nexxy: it was $20 from GAP
[23:51] devaholic: there you go, anyone with merch that has the old logo on it can now use it as klout
[23:51] Nexxy: LOL
[23:52] isaacs: (speaking of changing logos)
[23:52] Nexxy: well
[23:52] Nexxy: damnit
[23:52] Nexxy: you stole my line ;<
[23:52] Nexxy: we can see how well that worked out for them ;o
[23:53] jerrysv: old node logo from the gap?
[23:54] Nexxy: something about minding the gap?
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[23:55] jerrysv: on a completely different note, anyone know when/if batman.js is getting released?
[23:55] devaholic: probably got it stitched on, jerrysv
[23:56] jerrysv: wonder if the threads were local and sustainable
[23:56] isaacs: tjholowaychuk: how do you detect whether you're in developmnet or production?
[23:56] isaacs: tjholowaychuk: is there a req.app.env or something?
[23:56] tjholowaychuk: NODE_ENV
[23:56] digiwano: jerrysv: lol is it still not up
[23:56] CIA-107: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * rf8bfa54 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Bump to v0.5.1 - http://bit.ly/o5UO8s
[23:56] CIA-107: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r306af25 10/ src/node_version.h : Now working on v0.5.2 - http://bit.ly/q000SN
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[23:57] mikeal: ryah: you around?
[23:57] tjholowaychuk: isaacs config should be done via configure() but not checked directly
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[23:58] ryah_: mikeal: yes
[23:58] devaholic: tj: whats the best way to *put* your app in dev/production?
[23:58] mikeal: so
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[23:58] tjholowaychuk: devaholic: NODE_ENV
[23:58] tjholowaychuk: :p
[23:58] mikeal: why does the Agent emit "continue" and "upgrade"?
[23:58] isaacs: tjholowaychuk: hm.  i'd like to add some stuff to output debug info in certain cases, but it's a lot easier to just test whether it's in dev or prod
[23:58] devaholic: so i have to grab args myself? sadface
[23:58] tjholowaychuk: isaacs: what's hard about app.enable('verbose logging')
[23:58] tjholowaychuk: etc
[23:59] tjholowaychuk: it's bad practice to check it directly
[23:59] isaacs: what's app.enable do?
[23:59] ryah_: mikeal: i dont know
[23:59] tjholowaychuk: app.set(setting, true)
[23:59] Nexxy: 
ACTION coughs...

[23:59] tjholowaychuk: same thing
[23:59] Nexxy: enables things?
[23:59] mikeal: heeh, who should know?
[23:59] ryah_: mikeal: seems like those should be on the req
[23:59] tjholowaychuk: arbitrary settings
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[23:59] isaacs: tjholowaychuk: ok... so... how do i check that later?
[23:59] tjholowaychuk: isaacs: app.enabled('my setting')
[23:59] mikeal: agreed
[23:59] isaacs: ok
[23:59] mikeal: they are in the rewrite
[23:59] ryah_: mikeal: whch line?