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[00:49] random123: I finally figured out the issue, it was adding 200ms because I didn't set the encoding on readFile
[00:49] random123: http://98.236.193.36/
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[00:49] random123: Now everything loads in 3ms
[00:49] Aria: Oh! Interesting. Converting to String and back.
[00:49] Aria: That sucks.
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[00:52] random123: Yes, oddly if I try to set encoding on readFile for an image, the image won't load at all
[00:52] random123: So I look at the extension, if its an image, I don't set encoding, otherwise, the js/css files I set utf8
[00:53] random123: I tried setting to raw if its an image and no go, however, the default is supposed to be raw, so don't get why thats so
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[01:02] VeXii: how did you serve the css?
[01:02] emacsen: I need to make seven (somewhat unrelated) async calls in order to do some processing. Does that basically mean I need to code functions 7 layers deep?
[01:02] VeXii: and do you know if expressjs got the same problem? :p
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[01:03] blkcat: emacsen: or you can look into a library like async.js
[01:03] blkcat: emacsen: async.series( [ func1, func2, func3 ] )
[01:03] emacsen: blkcat, that sounds like step
[01:04] emacsen: and the problem with step is that it passes the data from func1 to func2
[01:04] blkcat: async.series does not.
[01:04] emacsen: blkcat, here's the code as it would be in python, without async calls
[01:04] emacsen: http://dpaste.com/565670/
[01:05] emacsen: (ignore that passwords aren't stored encrypted, I'll fix that)
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[01:08] random123: vexii: I served the CSS with readFile like readFile(filepath, encoding, callback) with the optional encoding parameter set to utf8 and it served CSS 20x faster
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[01:08] emacsen: blkcat, hrm, it seems that this async lib will do what I want, except the while loop I use to check for existing entries. Any idea there?
[01:09] blkcat: i haven't played much with the redis libraries for node, unfortunately
[01:09] emacsen: blkcat, they're basically function(somecall, callback)
[01:09] random123: I never used ExpressJS, I'm trying to stay away from all frameworks since I am new right now to Node
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[01:20] VeXii: yeah okay fair :)
[01:20] VeXii: how do you handle stuff like templating then?
[01:21] Nexxy: lots of string replace!
[01:21] deoxxa: random123: just something to think about, node.js isn't really that well suited to serving static files. i run nginx in front of node for pretty much all my http tasks to help alleviate some of that stress.
[01:24] random123: vexii: I use multiline variables to capture html, I really don't like the templating options avaliable
[01:25] VeXii: true but sesly that sounds like it gets a mess fast
[01:26] random123: vexii: So you write buffer = ""; and put the html in there, and use \ to make them multiline
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[01:27] Aria: deoxxa: Or get node to use sendfile and it'll do okay.
[01:27] deoxxa: Aria: still needs an HTTP server in front, no? or do you mean kernel level sendfile?
[01:28] Aria: I mean kernel level sendfile.
[01:28] Aria: sendfile(2)
[01:29] Aria: That eliminates user-space buffering, which is most of the difference between what node does and nginx does by default.
[01:29] deoxxa: ah, yeah, that'd do it
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[01:39] creationix: A screencapture of a node program painting to the screen and reacting to joystick controls. http://creationix.com/node-sdl.mpeg
[01:39] Nexxy: creationix, did you use node-serialport for that? ;o
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[01:40] creationix: no, just node-sdl
[01:40] creationix: sdl has a really easy joystick API
[01:40] Nexxy: neat!
[01:40] creationix: I haven't made it event based yet, but polling the joysticks in a setInterval works great
[01:41] creationix: not sure if event based would help for joysticks anyway, they are often quite noisy and polling is sometimes best
[01:41] creationix: I'll need events for mouse and keyboard input though
[01:41] Nexxy: I would think polling would be better suited
[01:41] Nexxy: but I've never really done much with them
[01:41] creationix: and button events on the joystick
[01:43] creationix: btw, most accelerometers show up as joysticks on linux
[01:43] creationix: so on my laptop and my touchpad, I can get 3-axes
[01:43] Prometheus: creationix: you sir, get around to doing a lot of stuff with node
[01:43] creationix: I like to play, keeps me sane
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[01:44] creationix: sadly that means many of my projects often end up unmaintained
[01:44] Prometheus: no doubt, I need to find time to do that =)
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[01:44] VeXii: ehh sorry but anyone that got a good unix for beginers or somthing?
[01:45] VeXii: just started on this stuff 2 weeks ago
[01:45] Prometheus: VeXii: what do you need to know?
[01:46] Prometheus: I've never read any books, just trial and error + Google :)
[01:46] Prometheus: besides, distros come w/ a manual built in ;)
[01:51] random123: I find it to be nice as a reference but not to learn a new tool
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[01:52] huge__: looking for 0.5.1 powered express :D
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[01:56] isaacs: huge__: note that 0.5 is unstable
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[01:56] isaacs: huge__: as in, it's going to break.
[01:56] isaacs: a lot, soon, and for a long time.
[01:56] isaacs: it'll stop breaking when it's 0.6
[01:57] isaacs: VeXii: i recommend reading through `man bash`
[01:57] isaacs: VeXii: it touches on most of the core concepts.
[01:57] SubStack: it's a page-turner
[01:57] SubStack: (not really)
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[02:00] VeXii: thanks :D
[02:00] huge__: thanks
[02:01] creationix: isaacs: what's going to be the story for native addons in windows?
[02:01] creationix: will npm support pre-built binaries?
[02:02] isaacs: creationix: npm already supports pre-built binaries
[02:02] isaacs: creationix: but building them appropriately is hard :)
[02:02] isaacs: SubStack: `man bash` is how i learned most of what i know about bash.  also, asking questions (and getting made fun of for it) in #bash
[02:02] isaacs: the people in #bash are very mean.
[02:03] isaacs: but they do know bash.
[02:03] creationix: isaacs: so how would I include addons in my node-sdl package?
[02:03] creationix: I have builds for node 4 on arm and i386
[02:03] isaacs: creationix: it'd still be the same require() semantics
[02:03] isaacs: creationix: oh, you mean, how do you publish built addons?
[02:04] creationix: isaacs: right
[02:04] creationix: for more than one target platform
[02:04] VeXii: uhh ofc the #bash >-<
[02:04] isaacs: creationix: there's no facility right now for uploading from platform X for platform Y
[02:05] isaacs: creationix: but if you `npm config set bin-publish true` and then do an `npm publish` from that platform, it'll upload a built binary package that can be installed for that platform
[02:05] creationix: isaacs: ok, so that's not so bad
[02:05] isaacs: well, it sucks if you're building it for a phone :)
[02:05] isaacs: creationix: since it means you have to compile and publish it from said phone
[02:05] isaacs: instead of cross-compiliint
[02:05] isaacs: *g
[02:06] creationix: isaacs: I don't cross-compile on webos, I build on my touchpad
[02:06] creationix: it's plenty fast for node stuff
[02:06] isaacs: creationix: kewl
[02:07] creationix: ok, I just published the "sdl" module from i386 linux, now can people get the pre-built binary?
[02:07] isaacs: creationix: if you want more nuts-and-bolts, the data structure looks like  "dist": { "tarball" : <the unbuilt tarball>, sha: <the sha hash>,  "bin" : { <platform> : { tarball, sha } } }
[02:08] isaacs: creationix: like this: http://registry.npmjs.org/srand/1.0.1
[02:08] isaacs: creationix: the platform is `npm get bindist`
[02:09] creationix: nice http://registry.npmjs.org/sdl/0.0.1
[02:09] creationix: looks like I have a linux entry
[02:09] isaacs: creationix: originally it was just nodeversion-platform-platformversion, but that doesn't work.  cpu arch will be included once node exposes it (0.6, that means)
[02:09] isaacs: yep :)
[02:09] isaacs: you can also set the "bindist" field explicitly, if you want to manage your own family of binary package releases.
[02:10] isaacs: creationix: then you could do `npm install sdl --bindist creationix` or something
[02:10] creationix: I see
[02:10] creationix: I'll have to dig more into this later, have to run pretty soon
[02:10] isaacs: i experimented with going through and seeing what builds where, but it's really hard to make that all not suck.
[02:10] isaacs: kewl, have fun :)
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[02:30] ritch: Is there an API safe way to delete Module._cache[filename];
[02:31] xerox: do you mean require.cache[name] ?
[02:31] xerox: If so, this is O K: delete require.cache[require.resolve(name)]
[02:31] ritch: let me try that
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[02:32] ritch: thx xerox
[02:32] xerox: no problem
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[02:34] rhdoenges: are google+ invites currently open?
[02:35] tbranyen: should be
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[02:35] xerox: yes
[02:37] rhdoenges: could I get one?
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[02:38] Aria: Privately message an email to me and I'll invite.
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[03:14] mjijackson: hi all. when managing a large member:array of strings, is it easier on memory to do a splice(0) or an assignment to a new member:array?
[03:15] mjijackson: sorry, the paste messed it up.
[03:15] mjijackson: supposed to be just "array"
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[03:30] muk_mb: do any of you guys use vows.js?
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[03:32] muk_mb: I'm having trouble getting my topic setup correctly: http://pastebin.com/2iUR3iPX
[03:33] iamanewb: Hello all...I have a new question about socket.io and http-proxy.  I'd like to have Node.js proxy all non-socket.io requests to another server (i.e., Apache/PHP), while everything socket.io-related gets handled normally.
[03:33] iamanewb: I'm more-or-less able to do this, except I'm missing something, and socket.io falls-back onto htmlfile, instead of websocket
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[03:34] iamanewb: What I'm doing is if the incoming connection has /socket.io in the url, I do not redirect, but everything else gets proxied to the apache service.
[03:34] iamanewb: I think the websocket connection does not have anything in the URL, or is not being caught for some reason.
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[03:46] muk_mb: updated my pastie with the error: http://pastebin.com/wmB1xdui
[03:47] iamanewb: ok...nevermind, I'm just going a bit crazy with different browsers.  Is chrome the only one that currently supports websockets?
[03:47] kbni: I think firefox5 does?
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[03:48] deoxxa: only if it's enabled specifically
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[03:50] iamanewb: So it looks like Firefox (by default) does xhr-polling, IE8 resorts to 'htmlfile', and chrome does websockets.  Presumably websockets is best...why doesn't IE use xhr-polling?
[03:51] iamanewb: XHR is a native object there...isn't it?
[03:52] tbranyen: iamanewb: no
[03:52] Aria: Different cross-domain policies?
[03:52] iamanewb: cross-domain shouldn't come into play
[03:52] tbranyen: iamanewb: i think htmlfile is probably faster?
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[03:52] hermanjunge: Hi
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[03:52] hermanjunge: Object.keys(myObject) is pretty useful
[03:53] hermanjunge: Does anybody knows the way to list the functions of an object?
[03:53] tbranyen: iamanewb: ah crap i was thinking of addEventListener
[03:53] tbranyen: hermanjunge: that does list them
[03:53] systemfault: Object.getOwnPropertyNames(obj) IIRC
[03:53] hermanjunge: not after a new
[03:53] tbranyen: v8: var myObj = { myFunc: function(){} }; Object.keys(myObj);
[03:53] v8bot: tbranyen: ["myFunc"]
[03:53] tbranyen: hermanjunge: thats not functions, thats a prototype chain
[03:53] tbranyen: er properties*
[03:53] systemfault: v8: Object.getOwnPropertyNames(Array);
[03:53] v8bot: systemfault: ["arguments","length","isArray","name","prototype","caller"]
[03:54] tbranyen: hermanjunge: just look at the prototype object?
[03:54] hermanjunge: Object.getOwnPropertyNames didn't do the trick
[03:54] hermanjunge: inheritance is a bitch!
[03:54] tbranyen: its not going to
[03:54] hermanjunge: A spend the whole afternoon and learn A LOT
[03:54] tbranyen: you can use the nonstandard __proto__
[03:55] hermanjunge: I have an OOP Background, but I'm getting use to this quickly
[03:55] hermanjunge: __proto__?
[03:55] tbranyen: v8> function c() {} c.prototype.d=function(){}; Object.keys(new c().__proto__)
[03:55] v8bot: tbranyen: ["d"]
[03:55] hermanjunge: what does it?
[03:55] hermanjunge: let me try it
[03:55] tbranyen: v8> function c() {} c.prototype.d=function(){}; Object.keys(new c().getPrototypeOf())
[03:55] v8bot: tbranyen: TypeError: Object #<c> has no method 'getPrototypeOf'
[03:55] systemfault: Ahh.. that's our tbranyen, encouraging people to use non-standard stuff..
[03:55] tbranyen: hmm
[03:56] hermanjunge: non standard stuff rules
[03:56] tbranyen: yeah and it appears the standard isn't in v8
[03:56] tbranyen: heh
[03:56] tbranyen: oh wait
[03:56] tbranyen: v8> function c() {} c.prototype.d=function(){}; Object.keys(Object.getPrototypeOf(new c()))
[03:56] v8bot: tbranyen: ["d"]
[03:56] tbranyen: there we go
[03:56] systemfault: Heh...
[03:57] tbranyen: hermanjunge: use Object.getPrototypeOf since thats standard :)
[03:57] hermanjunge: :)
[03:57] hermanjunge: before going. What is exactly __proto__?
[03:57] tbranyen: the current prototype of the instane
[03:57] hermanjunge: ok
[03:57] tbranyen: v8> var obj = {}; obj.__proto__ = { lol: 'hi' }; obj.lol
[03:57] v8bot: tbranyen: "hi"
[03:58] hermanjunge: I did an ugly hack to inheritate from an object, and then to inherit its this.*
[03:58] iamanewb: Ok...so it seems if I serve an html file from apache (port 80) that calls node.js/socket.io (from port 8080), IE8 will use xhr-polling.
[03:58] hermanjunge: you can call them "its privates"
[03:58] hermanjunge: using proto
[03:58] hermanjunge: but did understand exactly what I did
[03:58] hermanjunge: ok
[03:58] iamanewb: If I serve that same file by proxying apache through Node.js on the same port as socket.io/node.js, IE8 use htmlfile.
[03:58] hermanjunge: Thanks a LOT!
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[03:58] tbranyen: np
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[04:02] iamanewb: It must be that IE8 uses xhr when the ports are different.
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[04:24] rhdoenges: is there a way to monkeypatch methods onto 'string'?
[04:24] rhdoenges: I want to give it _blue() _green() etc methods
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[04:28] systemfault: Sure.. just modify the prototype
[04:29] systemfault: v8: String.prototype.lol = function() { return '<lol>' + this + </lol>'; }; "ZOMG".lol();
[04:29] v8bot: systemfault: SyntaxError: Unexpected token <
[04:29] systemfault: v8: String.prototype.lol = function() { return '<lol>' + this + '</lol>'; }; "ZOMG".lol();
[04:29] v8bot: systemfault: "<lol>ZOMG</lol>"
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[04:32] rhdoenges: thanks
[04:32] rhdoenges: that's what I thought, I'm just away from a computer with node on it.
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[05:16] deoxxa: what's the best way to defer execution of a program until resources have been allocated (database handles, network connections, etc)?
[05:19] Jakwac: Use a callback?
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[05:20] deoxxa: Jakwac: i considered that, but i have a case where there's multiple database connections and other resources that need to be available before the rest of the application can function, and i can't be sure that they'll all be ready at the same time or in a specific order
[05:20] deoxxa: also i'd like to have them allocated in parallel, not one after the other
[05:20] Jakwac: Increment a value
[05:20] Jakwac: on each call to your resources
[05:20] Jakwac: Then decrement it in each callback
[05:21] deoxxa: i'm not sure i follow
[05:21] Nexxy: deoxxa, async.js?
[05:21] Jakwac: Along with each callback call a funciton to start your app. In the beginining of that function check the value of the variable you've been incrementing
[05:21] deoxxa: ah, and busy wait on that variable until it's the right value?
[05:22] deoxxa: Nexxy: hmm yeah, i'm using that for another project, it might fit
[05:22] Nexxy: I would just use parallel and then wait for the final cb
[05:22] Nexxy: to "init" the rest of the app
[05:22] deoxxa: oh, that works perfectly
[05:22] deoxxa: async it is!
[05:23] deoxxa: in other news, i just published my first npm packages :D
[05:23] SubStack: \o/
[05:23] Nexxy: :)
[05:23] Nexxy: congrats!
[05:23] isaacs: deoxxa: kewl
[05:23] Nexxy: deoxxa++
[05:23] catb0t: deoxxa now has 1 beer
[05:23] v8bot:  Nexxy has given a beer to deoxxa. deoxxa now has 1 beers.
[05:23] deoxxa: huzzah
[05:24] deoxxa: http://search.npmjs.org/#/tokyotosho and http://search.npmjs.org/#/nyaatorrents
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[05:26] deoxxa: isaacs: i think that issue i hit earlier was caused by my password not being ascii characters
[05:26] isaacs: deoxxa: ahh
[05:26] isaacs: deoxxa: there are a few chars that'll cause problems.
[05:26] isaacs: deoxxa: i think : is the main one
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[05:26] isaacs: it should be ok with utf, though
[05:27] deoxxa: mine was all japanese text
[05:28] isaacs: deoxxa: ah, that might've hit some odd case, then :)
[05:28] isaacs: deoxxa: i'm american, we don't test with any non-ascii characters.
[05:28] isaacs: deoxxa: as far as i know, japan is a city in south america.
[05:28] deoxxa: i thought it was in europe somewhere
[05:29] deoxxa: but hey, close enough
[05:29] isaacs: 
ACTION omg jk srsly

[05:29] deoxxa: << australian anyway
[05:29] deoxxa: haha
[05:29] isaacs: ahh, the canada of the southern hemisphere.
[05:29] Nexxy: LOL
[05:29] deoxxa: what does that make new zealand?
[05:29] deoxxa: hawaii?
[05:29] Nexxy: hawaii~!!1
[05:29] isaacs: hahaha
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[05:29] deoxxa: ha
[05:29] isaacs: new foundland
[05:30] isaacs: but wiht sheep instead of fish
[05:30] deoxxa: and most likely a funnier accent
[05:31] deoxxa: "fush and chups bro"
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[05:38] Nexxy: is there a universally agreed upon directory structure for node web apps?
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[05:38] Prometheus: silly australians
[05:39] Prometheus: (I envy you)
[05:40] rurufufuss: what's some example of huge sites running node.js?
[05:41] Jakwac: Huge like complex or just high traffic?
[05:41] rurufufuss: just checking node.js today, it seems like some sort of holy grail of webdev
[05:41] rurufufuss: high traffic
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[05:41] rurufufuss: wouldn't mind a complex example too
[05:41] Prometheus: well, there's https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Projects,-Applications,-and-Companies-Using-Node
[05:41] Prometheus: though that's just a list..
[05:42] rurufufuss: also, I was trying to run the example at nodejs.org
[05:43] rurufufuss: but accidentally did "sudo apt-get install node"
[05:43] rurufufuss: which installed some unrelated node software
[05:43] rurufufuss: then I installed node from github
[05:43] rurufufuss: how do I run "node example.js" now?
[05:43] Jakwac: does node -v return anything?
[05:44] rurufufuss: returns "axconfig: port 1 not active"
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[05:44] Jakwac: ah, you might try running a `sudo apt-get remove node`
[05:44] rurufufuss: yeah just did
[05:44] rurufufuss: and reinstall the node package from github I imagine?
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[05:45] Jakwac: Well as long as its run your path you should be fine
[05:45] patrikkarlin: yea compile it
[05:45] rurufufuss: where is it generally located on linux?
[05:45] Jakwac: depends where you install
[05:45] rurufufuss: just did sudo make install
[05:45] Jakwac: Not sure of the default prefix though
[05:47] rurufufuss: ah it just made the library on the folder
[05:47] rurufufuss: works now
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[05:48] brainproxy: rurufufuss: you might like nvm
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[05:48] Jakwac: That the same thing as rvm?
[05:48] Jakwac: but for node
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[05:48] brainproxy: Jakwac: similar idea, yes
[05:48] rurufufuss: cool, will check that out
[05:48] brainproxy: installs npm for you too
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[05:48] brainproxy: then you can do things like
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[05:49] brainproxy: nvm use v0.4.9
[05:49] brainproxy: well first, nvm install v0.4.9
[05:49] brainproxy: https://github.com/creationix/nvm
[05:50] Prometheus: for some reason, I read that as vim
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[05:51] rurufufuss: so nvm is basically an updater for node.js
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[05:51] brainproxy: well it lets you install and switch between versions of node
[05:51] brainproxy: and w/ each installed version, npm is installed alongside it
[05:51] rurufufuss: sweet, I just have to run it as root eh?
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[05:51] brainproxy: no, it's meant to be run as a normal linux user
[05:52] brainproxy: it installs the versions under ~/.nvm
[05:53] brainproxy: per the instructions on the its github page, you'll want to source nvm.sh via ~/.bashrc or ~/.profile
[05:53] brainproxy: that way you're ready to rock as soon as you open a terminal or login over ssh
[05:53] rurufufuss: ah right ic
[05:53] rurufufuss: I better RTFM
[05:54] rurufufuss: actually, I was coming here to ask a different question than setups
[05:54] rurufufuss: any reasons not to use node.js?
[05:54] Nexxy: are you a square?
[05:54] Nexxy: that's a good reason
[05:54] rurufufuss: haha
[05:54] Jakwac: Depends what your doing with it
[05:54] brainproxy: rurufufuss: if you don't like programming in javascript, that might be a reason
[05:54] rurufufuss: well, I'm just trying to compare different frameworks
[05:55] Nexxy: node > *
[05:55] brainproxy: rurufufuss: out of the box, node is pretty low level stuff
[05:55] Jakwac: Node isnt a firework for one
[05:55] rurufufuss: I used to do a lot of actionscripting
[05:55] brainproxy: you're not getting mvc formalism like with rails
[05:55] Nexxy: that's what express is for!
[05:55] rurufufuss: yeah, that wont come for free I guess
[05:55] rurufufuss: what does express do?
[05:55] brainproxy: if you want a framework you can get those via npm
[05:55] Nexxy: "sudo npm install express"
[05:55] Jakwac: There are tons out there though
[05:55] Nexxy: now you have MVC
[05:55] rurufufuss: arg, can't find package express
[05:55] Prometheus: what are noders called?
[05:56] brainproxy: with nvm, you wouldn't need sudo
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[05:56] brainproxy: just npm install ...
[05:56] rurufufuss: fair enough
[05:56] brainproxy: rurufufuss: http://search.npmjs.org/#/express
[05:56] rurufufuss: what about database connections? what DBs go with node.js?
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[05:56] Prometheus: rurufufuss: any
[05:56] Nexxy: unless things have changed again, isaacs suggested using sudo with the install command as it deescalates user permissions?
[05:57] isaacs: Nexxy: things have not changed.
[05:57] brainproxy: Nexxy: ah, maybe so, not sure if that's apropo if one is using nvm
[05:57] Nexxy: yay!
[05:57] brainproxy: isaacs: rule still applies to nvm users?
[05:57] isaacs: brainproxy: using sudo is ok, but not usually required.
[05:58] isaacs: brainproxy: security-wise, it's better, but security-wise, it's best to not install anything you don't trust anyhow
[05:58] Nexxy: so much for windows 7
[05:58] brainproxy: isaacs: I read all the npm docs today, first time to read all the way through; great job :) it's all pretty clear once you've got your head in the right place
[05:59] isaacs: brainproxy: wow!
[05:59] isaacs: brainproxy: i haven't read those things all the way through in a long time.
[05:59] brainproxy: isaacs: in any case, just appreciative of how well it's all put together and inspired to docuemtn and organize as efficiently as yourself
[06:00] brainproxy: not brown-nosing, just letting you know your hard work is appreciated
[06:00] Nexxy: 
ACTION hands brainproxy a wet nap

[06:00] isaacs: thanks, that's great to hear :)
[06:00] isaacs: it's a survival mechanism :)
[06:00] Nexxy: no but srsly tho, npm *is* pretty awesome
[06:00] isaacs: i forget how it works a lot of the time.
[06:01] Nexxy: I did that with the washing machine yesterday ;<
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[06:02] rurufufuss: is there a good summary of this non-blocking IO that makes node.js good?
[06:02] rurufufuss: would like to read a bit about it
[06:03] Prometheus: howtonode.org(com?)
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[06:03] Nexxy: http://nodetuts.com/
[06:03] Prometheus: rurufufuss: http://hueniverse.com/2011/06/the-style-of-non-blocking/
[06:03] Prometheus: rurufufuss: http://hueniverse.com/2011/06/6-months-with-node-js/
[06:04] rurufufuss: gracias muchas
[06:04] Prometheus: =)
[06:04] rurufufuss: actually, not sure if thats the right phrase
[06:04] Prometheus: and yeah, nodetuts are good for getting a bit of a feel of node
[06:04] brainproxy: rurufufuss: one thing to consider doing, if you really want to get your head around what node provides to you at the most basic level is to sim all the way through the API
[06:04] Prometheus: muchos gracias
[06:04] brainproxy: *skim
[06:04] rurufufuss: I'll try doing that
[06:04] brainproxy: that will give you a sense of the building blocks on top of which everything else is built
[06:05] Prometheus: brainproxy: but given the vast number of modules on NPM, that doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of what's already there =)
[06:05] Prometheus: well, it does, but..
[06:05] Jakwac: Ryan has given some good talks, one of them is on the nodejs page
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[06:05] brainproxy: Prometheus: well, i mean in terms of the facilities that node is actually providing
[06:05] Prometheus: right, but the modules are worth taking in to account as well
[06:05] Prometheus: I think
[06:05] brainproxy: yes, they are, most certainly
[06:06] Prometheus: though just about any language/platform will offer you similar tools, but..
[06:06] isaacs: 
ACTION remembers when the code WAS the documentation

[06:06] rurufufuss: until yesterday I was writing a web server with c++ and fastcgi
[06:06] rurufufuss: all these modern webdev stuff is scaring me
[06:06] Prometheus: rurufufuss: are you scared of productivity too? =)
[06:06] brainproxy: rurufufuss: sounds paintufl
[06:07] rurufufuss: well I'm taking a break from my usual non-webdev c++ stuff
[06:07] rurufufuss: yes it is
[06:07] pquerna: rurufufuss: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVzp4MJRKHc&feature=related
[06:07] rurufufuss: but after years and years of c++ jumping to javascript makes me feel like an old guy joining a group dating club
[06:07] Prometheus: rurufufuss: what would your web server do, just serve pages?
[06:08] rurufufuss: was playin around with paypal IPN
[06:08] Prometheus: so you wrote a web server in C++ for that? :o
[06:08] Prometheus: or was that the fastcgi part.. =P
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[06:08] Prometheus: just wondering, why you would want to be writing your own server in C++ :)
[06:09] Prometheus: either way, I think you are in the right place now 
[06:09] rurufufuss: since I'm using nginx and fcgi, I don't know if you could say I'm writing my own web server
[06:09] Prometheus: oh.. I was going to say, why not use nginx =P
[06:09] rurufufuss: I suppose more like a web app in c++? :p
[06:09] rurufufuss: yeah whoops, I better rephrase that
[06:09] Prometheus: writing a web app in C++, sounds painful
[06:09] Prometheus: like, immensely painful
[06:09] rurufufuss: hahahaha
[06:09] rurufufuss: trying to get sendmail working from it was a nightmare
[06:10] brainproxy: Prometheus: I've got a friend who swears by it
[06:10] rurufufuss: for webdev?
[06:10] Prometheus: brainproxy: really?
[06:10] isaacs: brainproxy: friends don't let friends swear by c++
[06:10] rurufufuss: or for application developments?
[06:10] brainproxy: Prometheus: yeah, but he's always been a little crazy :D
[06:10] systemfault: Sometimes, C++ is the answer :P
[06:10] Prometheus: brainproxy: I don't think a little even begins to describe it.. =P
[06:10] rurufufuss: you see, picking up javascript for c++ is like telling a jedi to use a blaster
[06:10] isaacs: if c++ is the answer, someone asked the wrong question.
[06:11] systemfault: But for web.. it's pretty much never the answer.
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[06:11] systemfault: isaacs: **cough**V8**cough**
[06:11] isaacs: systemfault: yeah... v8 is probably the least awful c++ program i've ever dealt with.
[06:11] Prometheus: rurufufuss: interestingly enough, I read an article somewhere (perhaps it was those hueniverse articles) where the guy is/was a C(++?) programmer, and he said it felt like home ;)
[06:11] Prometheus: minus the callbacks, of course
[06:11] isaacs: and i mean, those guys *clearly* know what they're doing of course.
[06:11] brainproxy: he's using some thing that generates c++ from javascript, so he can write the client and server logic in c++
[06:12] rurufufuss: oh nice
[06:12] brainproxy: sorry, other way around
[06:12] Prometheus: wait what, parsing javascript to C++?
[06:12] brainproxy: I mean it generates javascript from c++
[06:12] Prometheus: oh
[06:12] rurufufuss: c++ in client??
[06:13] Prometheus: I don't know if that really makes more sense, but I guess a little :)
[06:13] brainproxy: well the client side logic in c++ spits out javascript which is actually served up to the browser-clients
[06:13] rurufufuss: hmm
[06:14] deoxxa: that sounds frightening
[06:14] rurufufuss: I thought c++ parsers are super hard to make
[06:14] brainproxy: people have done things like that with ocaml
[06:14] rurufufuss: to make something that converts c++ -> javascript??
[06:14] brainproxy: talk about some crazy looking javascript
[06:14] Prometheus: talk about some crazy people
[06:14] rurufufuss: ahem
[06:14] Prometheus: :P
[06:14] rurufufuss: so is it possible to connect c++ to node.js, in any way?
[06:14] rurufufuss: like, say, if I feel like using c++ :P
[06:15] rurufufuss: despite better advices
[06:15] brainproxy: example:  http://jaked.github.com/froc/examples/froc-dom/follow-the-mouse/follow.js
[06:15] brainproxy: that's an ocaml program which got run through ocamljs
[06:15] rurufufuss: so what does it do?
[06:16] brainproxy: http://jaked.github.com/froc/examples/froc-dom/follow-the-mouse/index.html
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[06:17] rurufufuss: hmm, seems like a lot of code just for that
[06:17] rurufufuss: well, i'm off reading this IO thing first, get a feel to it
[06:17] rurufufuss: thanks for the helps amigos
[06:17] brainproxy: have fun
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[06:23] rurufufuss: Hmm, I think I get the gist of node.js' event IO stuff
[06:23] rurufufuss: so this is faster than instead having multithreaded servers I'm guessing?
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[06:23] Nexxy: moar efficient for sure
[06:23] systemfault: Yes, and uses far less memory.
[06:23] rurufufuss: interesting
[06:24] Nexxy: less susceptible to DoS!
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[06:24] rurufufuss: I suppose so eh
[06:24] rurufufuss: damn, node.js sure is cool
[06:24] rurufufuss: for lack of a better word
[06:25] Nexxy: I believe the world you're looking for is, "fucking amazing"
[06:25] rurufufuss: not having to worry about threading must be awesome huh
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[06:36] rurufufuss: what's a decent templating engine for node.js?
[06:36] rurufufuss: recommendations, etc.
[06:37] SubStack: jade, ejs, weld
[06:37] systemfault: jade :)
[06:38] rurufufuss: sweet, will take a close inspection
[06:38] rurufufuss: hmm, that doesn't look like html at all
[06:38] rurufufuss: I suppose php-style templating is obsolete is it?
[06:38] rurufufuss: by php style I mean mixing <html> and <?whatever?>
[06:38] jesusabdullah: That's kinda what ejs does
[06:38] jesusabdullah: iirc
[06:39] jesusabdullah: If that's what you're into... ;)
[06:39] rurufufuss: nah, just curious what's the trend these days
[06:39] rurufufuss: I guess there's pros and cons for both
[06:40] jesusabdullah: I think many people were dissatisfied with php-style templating, but haven't really proven anything to be better in particular.
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[06:51] craigbarnes: Hey, I've got a mini bug report
[06:51] craigbarnes: I didn't think it was big enough to report on GitHub
[06:52] craigbarnes: You've got a <pre> block at http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.5.0/api/readline.html#readline that seems to be messed up/wrongly escaped
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[07:32] jetienne: what was the name of the joke framework which was empty ? launch last year at confjs
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[07:37] chrisdickinson: rurufufuss: if you're looking for something along the lines of php-style templating, plate might be okay
[07:38] JohnnyL: "there is something strange afoot at the Circle K"
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[08:15] quintin: Folks, Need some help with npm installation. 
[08:16] quintin: my nodejs is installed at 
[08:16] quintin:  [deploy@ip-10-x ~]$ which node ~/node/bin/node 
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[08:16] quintin: but when i do a  curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sudo sh 
[08:17] quintin: i get
[08:17] quintin: npm cannot be installed without nodejs. Install node first, and then try again.  Maybe node is installed, but not in the PATH? Note that running as sudo can change envs.  PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin 
[08:17] quintin: can someone help?
[08:17] context: if you have sudo why not install node to /usr/local ?
[08:17] context: and node needs to be in your path for npm to find it.
[08:18] quintin: i did a echo 'export PATH=$HOME/local/node/bin:$PATH' >> ~/.profile source ~/.profile
[08:18] Nuck: Is it possible to shard a folder among multiple servers?
[08:18] Nuck: Or do I need to use subfolders to shard
[08:18] context: but thats not where node is
[08:18] quintin: but which node gave me
[08:18] quintin: echo 'export PATH=$HOME/local/node/bin:$PATH' >> ~/.profile source ~/.profile
[08:18] context: and if you are gonna install it to your home remove the sudo from the command
[08:18] quintin: sorry
[08:19] quintin: which node ~/node/bin/node
[08:19] context: quintin: you just said node was installed at ~/node/bin not ~/local/node/bin
[08:19] quintin: yes yes
[08:19] context: $HOME/local/node/bin != $HOME/node/bin
[08:20] quintin: hmmm
[08:20] context: quintin: curl the://url | sh
[08:20] quintin: you are righr
[08:20] context: remove the sudo.
[08:20] quintin: you are right
[08:20] quintin: @context, do u suggest installing to /home
[08:20] quintin: or to /usr/local?
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[08:20] context: /usr/local if you can.
[08:20] quintin: ok
[08:21] quintin: a ./configure without anyparams
[08:21] quintin: will do that right
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[08:21] context: i dont know i use a package manager to handle that stuff for me
[08:21] quintin: yum?
[08:22] quintin: i was looking for a yum repo
[08:22] context: homebrew. i imagine you might be able to find rpm's for the latest node though
[08:22] quintin: didnt find anything
[08:22] quintin: if i dont a ./configure;make;make install
[08:23] quintin: *do
[08:23] context: https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=nodejs&project=home%3ASannisDev
[08:23] quintin: will it overwrite existing?
[08:23] context: https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=nodejs&project=home%3ASannisDev
[08:23] context: centos, fedora, opensuse
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[08:23] quintin: ok. that looks cool
[08:24] quintin: thanks a ton
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[08:28] Nuck: Are there any good modules I should know about for securing a service against spam and abuse?
[08:28] Nuck: Preferable Express-compatible?
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[08:29] context: uhhh. any sort of captcha? requiring people to login? simple math-based 'captchas'
[08:29] Nuck: not like that
[08:29] Nuck: I meant a rate-limiter
[08:30] Nuck: Some module that can rate-limit API calls and such to detect such things.
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[08:36] rajivn: Nuck: I haven't used it but have you looked at https://github.com/davglass/express-extras.git There is 'extras.throttle' middleware that might help.
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[08:46] EM03: hey
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[08:46] fille: hello
[08:46] EM03: anyone here use express?
[08:46] fille: me
[08:46] EM03: the web framework
[08:47] EM03: do you?
[08:47] fille: nod
[08:47] EM03: do you like it?
[08:47] EM03: what do you think of it?
[08:47] fille: well u got totall controll of everything
[08:47] fille: thats the nice part of it
[08:48] fille: anyone using mongoose here?
[08:48] craigbarnes: Nuck: That's not a job for application level code
[08:49] EM03: so what do you think of it fille , ever use rails?
[08:49] craigbarnes: You can rate limit with iptables
[08:49] fille: EM03  its not like django 
[08:49] EM03: would you rather use that or django?
[08:49] fille: EM03 i rather use express.js easy deployment, alot of templates styles
[08:49] Nexxy: 
ACTION cringes @ the thought of rails

[08:49] EM03: I use rails right now 
[08:50] vhold: fille: I played with it for the first time today..  I got the Chirp example at http://www.ivarvong.com/2010/08/05/node-js-connect-mongoose-and-underscore/ to work with some changes.. but I think I like mongodb-wrapper more...
[08:50] Nexxy: I'm sorry.
[08:50] EM03: how is form handling?
[08:50] EM03: rails is complex and long 
[08:50] Nexxy: EM03, https://github.com/felixge/node-formidable
[08:50] fille: EM03 very easy
[08:50] fille: thanks vhold
[08:50] EM03: easier than rails?
[08:50] Nexxy: and less, "WHOOPS!"
[08:51] EM03: hmmm
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[08:51] vhold: the main reason I like mongodb-wrapper more is that I have been playing with mongodb for a couple weeks and have become relatively familiar with the shell, and mongodb-wrapper tries to leverage that 
[08:51] EM03: this could be life changing
[08:51] fille: app.post("/remove",function(req,res)) { res.body.id  }
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[08:52] vhold: but there's a whole mess of other mongodb node modules I haven't tried 
[08:52] fille: hrm.. okej vhold i will look in to it
[08:53] fille: or i just use mysql.. :D
[08:54] Nuck: craigbarnes: Why is it not application-level?  I intend to throttle API usage and log anything above that so I can monitor the attempts at abuse and tie them to usernames and such :D
[08:54] Nuck: fille: Ewwwwww
[08:54] Nuck: fille: Trust me, Mongodb is better
[08:55] fille: Nuck think about using both
[08:55] Nuck: fille: That's completely and utterly ridiculous.
[08:55] EM03: fille: where you located?
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[08:55] Nexxy: why is it ridiculous to use sql and mongo?
[08:56] Nexxy: that's like saying it's ridiculous to use a hammer and a screwdriver
[08:56] Nexxy: instead of just one or the other
[08:56] fille: the plan is to start use mongo db to my autocomplete ajax fields
[08:56] Nuck: Nexxy: Because MySQL is slower and honestly, most use-cases that MongoDB is worse for, it makes up for by being still damn good.
[08:57] Nuck: fille: What do you need MySQL for?
[08:57] fille: i can really just change the question
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[08:58] fille: Nuck, i will look into it
[08:58] EM03: fille: do you do any consulting as well?
[08:58] fille: EM03 im from sweden
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[08:59] Nuck: fille: Do you work for Ikea?
[08:59] Nuck: :P
[09:00] Nuck: 
ACTION assumes all swedes work for Ikea

[09:00] fille: NUCK im going to iKea right now with my girlfriend 
[09:00] Nuck: fille: LMAO Really!?
[09:00] fille: yepp  LOL
[09:00] Nuck: Ikea furniture is pretty fucking nice.
[09:00] Nuck: It made my family not suck at organization!
[09:00] fille: yes but the  fucking with your head
[09:00] vhold: are you talking about the maze aspect of the stores ?
[09:00] fille: reading the manuell 
[09:01] Nuck: fille: The manual is actually better for me than a textual one.
[09:01] vhold: You'd think by now they'd get on the internet bandwagon and make videos of the asembly
[09:01] Nuck: As for the maze of the store, I just go with the flow and follow the arrows :P
[09:01] fille: hehehe, User friendly
[09:02] vhold: apparently there are shortcuts all over the store you can use to bypass the maze
[09:02] vhold: secretish doors
[09:02] Nuck: vhold: lol that'd be nice, but they can't get that wierd airguitar guy into a video easily.
[09:02] fille: yes, i there is, gooing to the biggest in the world 
[09:02] Nuck: As for the secret doors, they do exist.
[09:02] Nuck: I've seen a few at the one in Sacramento.
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[09:03] fille: wish me good luck at ikea, 
[09:03] fille: Nuck LoL
[09:03] fille: i will look for the hidden doors
[09:03] fille: maybe i will take some pictures
[09:03] Nuck: fille: Try not to get killed in the maze.
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[09:08] EM03: fille: interested at all?
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[09:20] craigbarnes: Nuck: oh, fair point, I thought you just meant to protect from brute force or DDos or something
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[09:25] EM03: is there a room for express?
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[09:26] level09: how do I include a (client-side) JS library in my node app  ?
[09:27] level09: should I even do that :D ?
[09:31] chjj: i guess it depends on which one youre talking about, but normally i would say no, theres not really a reason to
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[09:36] EM03: how can I convince my boss to do all new web apps in express? 
[09:36] jesusabdullah: Bribery
[09:37] `3rdEden: just give 2 options, either you are going to use express, or  you are going to spend the next 3 months on building your own framework EM03
[09:37] EM03: express seems pretty good 
[09:37] jesusabdullah: Maybe "all new web apps" is too lofty
[09:37] Nuck: EM03: I like `3rdEden's idea.
[09:37] jesusabdullah: Why not suggest trying express for a project or two
[09:37] jesusabdullah: and when those go well, push for moar express
[09:37] Nuck: jesusabdullah: That's probably the best method.
[09:37] jesusabdullah: Probably
[09:37] EM03: all the projects are very large
[09:37] EM03: I'm sick and tired just sick and tired of big ass rails 
[09:37] jesusabdullah: I hope to never learn rails
[09:38] jesusabdullah: personally
[09:38] EM03: man ....its big
[09:38] `3rdEden: I would just quit my job if they told me to develop with rails
[09:38] jesusabdullah: hahaha
[09:38] jesusabdullah: I'm starting to feel that way about twisted :S
[09:39] Nuck: jesusabdullah: Switch to EventEmitters :P
[09:39] Nuck: Right?
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[09:39] Nuck: I have yet to see a single bad design decision made in the development of NodeJS.
[09:40] Nuck: And I think this is what makes Node so great today, is the fact that it's fucking flawless.
[09:40] EM03: would you really `3rdEden  ?? 
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[09:40] `3rdEden: EM03 yes
[09:40] `3rdEden: I have done a couple of ruby sites
[09:40] jesusabdullah: Nuck: What do you mean?
[09:40] `3rdEden: but I'm never ever ever going back to that
[09:40] Nuck: EM03: I would too.  Probably because I'd be canned soon enough anyways, since I don't know Ruby :P
[09:41] jesusabdullah: Yeah, me too
[09:41] Nuck: jesusabdullah: I mean, Node's module systems have ended up almost perfect, and the way EventEmitters work.  Even things which are counterintuitive actually end up coming in handy when you use it for a major project.
[09:42] Nuck: ry must've had some CRAZY foresight.
[09:42] Nuck: I mean, the decision to not support multiple processors
[09:42] Nuck: SEEMS loony.
[09:42] Nuck: But it actually ends up being more scalable in the long run.
[09:43] EM03: `3rdEden: what did you think of it?
[09:43] `3rdEden: EM03 of what? rails?
[09:43] Nuck: OMG AWESOME. https://github.com/danlucraft/git.js
[09:43] EM03: yea
[09:43] `3rdEden: a bloated peice of shit
[09:43] EM03: how extensive did you use it?
[09:43] Nuck: I wonder if this thing could be turned into a git server :P
[09:44] `3rdEden: I got forced to build 3 sites with it
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[09:45] `3rdEden: but luckly i was freelancing then, so i decided to decline all rails related jobs after them
[09:45] Nuck: lol
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[09:57] dexter_e: Anyone know Why to define all your Models and views on the window object? like this example-->  http://documentcloud.github.com/backbone/examples/todos/todos.js
[09:57] dexter_e: Whats the benefit of that?
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[10:21] Marak: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2747483
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[10:40] astropirate: How are the node.js  user documentations generated?
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[10:41] astropirate: actually i just need to know the name of the tool :)
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[10:44] craigbarnes: looking in the Makefile might tell you
[10:45] craigbarnes: astropirate: https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/Makefile#L222
[10:46] craigbarnes: actually that might be the wrong line
[10:46] craigbarnes: but it's in the somewhere
[10:48] astropirate: craigbarnes, its fine I'll use natural docs
[10:48] astropirate: thank you 
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[10:49] craigbarnes: astropirate: np
[10:49] craigbarnes: astropirate: The node docs are generated from markdown I think
[10:50] craigbarnes: Does a pretty good job...hard to find docs as concise and helpful as node's
[10:50] craigbarnes: You normally either find nothing but a readme
[10:50] craigbarnes: or Django-style thesis docs
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[10:56] dexter_e: anyone know Why to declare stuff on the 'window' object?    like this backbone.js Example?    http://documentcloud.github.com/backbone/examples/todos/todos.js
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[10:58] jetienne: SubStack: is it possible to rename the callback in Seq ? in order to avoid this
[10:59] astropirate: dexter_e, there is no way to do that. Going to have to work within the module system
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[10:59] dexter_e: Yeah this is just in the browser
[11:00] dexter_e: its a backbone.js thing 
[11:00] dexter_e: Its more just a general javascript question.
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[11:00] astropirate: ohh you asked why i read how :p   yah because its available everywhere
[11:02] astropirate: as you can see his entire code is wrapped in a functions, the $(function(){   jquery dom ready callback, in order to create a Global object avialable to script outside of this callback, he attached it to the window object
[11:02] astropirate: hope that helps, if it doesn't sorry i'm sleep deprived :D
[11:02] dexter_e: interesting
[11:03] dexter_e: astropirate: thanks
[11:06] SubStack: jetienne: look at seq_, par_, etc
[11:09] jerrysv: wow you people are up late
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[11:10] jetienne: SubStack: ok
[11:13] jetienne: SubStack: euhh i dont thing seq_ symbol in https://github.com/substack/node-seq/blob/master/index.js can you gimme the url on the line which define it ?
[11:13] jetienne: https://github.com/substack/node-seq/blob/master/index.js#L335 SubStack my bad got it
[11:14] jetienne: not this one https://github.com/substack/node-seq/blob/master/index.js#L155
[11:14] jetienne: i guess i will have to understand the source :)
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[11:19] SubStack: jetienne: it's in the docs, just look at the readme
[11:20] tuhoojabotti: http://paste.servut.us/plain/5wah The short seems to be unsigned, how can I read a signed short? :D
[11:20] jetienne: SubStack: lets say i cant decipher the doc
[11:22] tuhoojabotti: pdonald: Any help here? :D
[11:23] jetienne: SubStack: as feedback examples are much easier to understand for me that sentence like 'which work exactly like their un-underscored counterparts except for the first parameter to the supplied callback is set to the context, this.'
[11:23] jetienne: SubStack: but it is cool, the source is clear enougth
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[11:43] fille: back from ikea
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[11:46] japj: how did you get out of the maze? :)
[11:47] fille: hehe just ran 
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[11:50] fille: i reed that express.js can handle mongodb
[11:51] jetienne: expressjs is independant of the database
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[11:57] jetienne: about that, any node-mysql user ? i got ridiculous performance
[11:57] jetienne: wondering where it come from
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[12:01] framlin: if anyone wants to add my to its own google+ nodeJS-circle, here is my g+-profile http://gplus.to/framlin
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[12:03] fille: i going to use mongodb for instant stuff like auto complete
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[12:03] fille: i cant see anyone will ever use the mongodb for financal and buisness stuff
[12:03] fille: framlin just addade yo
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[12:09] framlin: fille: ;)
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[12:25] deoxxa: i want to use node.js with a binary network protocol, i'm familiar enough with C++ (and have actually already written a parser for this particular protocol in C++), so does it offer me better performance to write a C++ module to do the heavy lifting?
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[12:40] Deltachaos: hi @all
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[13:11] fille: just wondering..
[13:11] fille: i got my whole page in one document.
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[13:19] plainas: hey 
[13:19] plainas: dummy question: how do I exit the console?
[13:19] Bonuspunk: ctrl+c
[13:19] plainas: is that the only way?
[13:20] Bonuspunk: afaik yes
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[13:20] plainas: ah allright
[13:20] plainas: lol
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[13:26] yenz: ctrl-d (EOF) is the usual way to exit shells/interpreters :)
[13:26] tuhoojabotti: Ctrl+d didn't work for me :D
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[13:29] yenz: 
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[13:29] yenz: does here.
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[13:40] fille: TypeError: Cannot set property 'maxListeners' of undefined
[13:40] fille:  anyone know about this?
[13:40] fille: mongodb-wrapper
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[13:57] saschagehlich: stagas: a few weeks ago - were you the one who recommended everyauth for oauth authentication?
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[14:13] zoid9383: hi all. Some time ago I found a novel JS super-framework for separating logic and HTML presentation. The ad said it offered most advantages of XSLT without its disadvantages. But I can't remember the name/url. Does anyone know what is that?
[14:13] Ezku\: backbone?
[14:13] Ezku\: perhaps not.
[14:15] framlin: It seems nearly everything offers most advantages of XSLT without its disadvantages ;)
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[14:17] stephank: sproutcore? cappucino? dojo? extjs? those are some of the large JS frameworks I know of
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[14:19] zoid9383: I need a server-side lib to generate indexable content
[14:20] zoid9383: I used jsdom with node, but this approach doesn't scale to complex layout.. I found weld but don't know if it's any good
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[14:22] zoid9383: I'd like something that doesn't break markup and doesn't introduce control structures in template language
[14:24] zoid9383: Weld doesn't break and doesn't introduce, but jsdom seems to be an overkill and I'm afraid of getting PHP-like performance in the end
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[14:29] tuhoojabotti: DOM is no good
[14:30] tuhoojabotti: zoid9383: I use dust :D
[14:31] framlin: I use weld and jsdom, but not "in the wild" until now, so I can not say anything about performance. To speed up things I try to seperate the DOM-work into many small event-steps ...
[14:32] framlin: but for me working directly at the DOM using jQuery and jsdom and weld is much mor preferable tha using any templation-language with messing control-statments between the markup
[14:33] zoid9383: tuhoojabotti: yep, but breaking markup a la <div #foo#>bar</bar> is not any better than dom, and weld seems to be an interesting tool to reduce tedium
[14:33] tuhoojabotti: Luckily I don't need to break anything, I just destroy stuff.
[14:34] burg: how can i run a node.js script in daemon mode?
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[14:34] zoid9383: I use nohup
[14:34] zoid9383: nohup node foo.js &
[14:34] burg: zoid9383, and if i want to stop it later?
[14:34] framlin: so a "native" really fast DOM-Tool comparing to jsdom, but more perfomant would be GREAT
[14:35] Bonuspunk: tmux
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[14:35] framlin: kill -9 ? ;)
[14:36] bnoordhuis: burg: https://github.com/Slashed/daemon.node <- don't know if it still works with current node though
[14:37] bnoordhuis: may be we should add that to core one day
[14:37] zoid9383: I'd like to create an rc.d script for arch linux to start it, but I don't know how and too lazy to RTFM
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[14:39] zoid9383: btw I maintain windows binaries so any suggestions are welcome. Are there any binary extensions worth shipping?
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[14:51] CIA-110: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * re2b2df6 10/ src/uv-unix.c : Fix alloc-after-close error, properly disarm uv_tcp_t handle. - http://bit.ly/rjzgky
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[15:08] tmzt: zoid9383: look at jade-lang.com it has control structures but they are optional
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[15:12] Aikar: im at my grandmas where i use to live, i think they are upstairs in the attic still lol
[15:12] Aikar: mt
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[15:14] Ramosa: has anything been communicated abuot when to expect the windows version? year, quarter, etc.
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[15:16] Aikar: very soon
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[15:16] Aikar: 0.5.0 just debuted, ry said they will provide official binaries in 0.5.1
[15:16] Ramosa: yeah i noticed the first line saying New non-default libuv backend to support IOCP on Windows. Use --use-uv to enable.
[15:17] Aikar: so just wait a week or two and you wont have to worry about compiling it yourself
[15:17] Ramosa: christmas is early this year :p
[15:17] Aikar: now theres no guarantees itll run great / be stable :P
[15:17] Aikar: it still is the unstable branch
[15:18] Ramosa: as long as can be used for development, im happy
[15:19] stephank: So in browserify, I have require `{ 'foo': './lib', 'jquery': 'jquery-browserify' }`, where foo depends on jquery. But it says it cannot find jquery? It's definitely sitting there in node_modules.
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[15:21] stephank: Seems it works if I split it in two separate require calls.
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[15:23] CIA-110: libuv: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r8d3d4a4 10/ (config-mingw.mk config-unix.mk): 
[15:23] CIA-110: libuv: Revert 9518ab65: Allow user to specify CC env var (CC=clang make)
[15:23] CIA-110: libuv: Conditional assignment (assign if not set) to CC and AR never works
[15:23] CIA-110: libuv: because their default values with GNU make are `cc` and `ar` respectively.
[15:23] CIA-110: libuv: Build with `make AR=your-ar CC=your-cc` if you want to override them.
[15:23] CIA-110: libuv: Fixes #89. - http://bit.ly/nukaTW
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[15:26] SubStack: stephank: yeah the ordering is a bit screwy sometimes still >_<
[15:27] EM03: anyone here use express?
[15:28] stephank: SubStack: Well, I only started using it minutes ago. I just figured it was lazily bundled, but apparently not. So it makes sense now. :)
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[15:33] SubStack: stephank: it probably should be!
[15:33] Bartzy:  Hi
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[15:33] Bartzy: Node.js is not intended to serve static files, right ?
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[15:33] SubStack: Bartzy: you can serve static files
[15:33] bnoordhuis: Bartzy: not specifically but it can
[15:33] SubStack: I do it all the time
[15:34] SubStack: it's as easy as app.use(express.static(__dirname + '/static'))
[15:34] Bartzy: What I need to do is put nginx in front , answering all requests to my domain, and proxying requests to files that doesn't exist ?
[15:35] jetienne_: in qunit, is there something to like noraise() ? i have seen raise() but not noraise
[15:36] jetienne_: Bartzy: google you will have thousand of answer. and btw this is nginx stuff not node ones :)
[15:36] jetienne_: btw does node have sendfile() ?
[15:37] EM03: how does express compare to other languages of a framework of similar size?
[15:37] EM03: how if form handling? and sessions
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[15:39] bnoordhuis: jetienne: re sendfile: yes
[15:41] jetienne_: bnoordhuis: any link ? or way to access such function
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[15:41] bnoordhuis: jetienne_: it's fs.sendfile() but it's not documented
[15:42] jetienne_: ah
[15:43] jetienne_: bnoordhuis: https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/lib/fs.js#L363 thanks
[15:43] bnoordhuis: jetienne_: it follows regular sendfile(2) semantics though, just add a callback as the last argument
[15:43] bnoordhuis: jetienne_: yep, that's the one :)
[15:43] jetienne_: bnoordhuis: any reason not to doc it ?
[15:44] bnoordhuis: jetienne_: i think it's mainly because sendfile isn't very portable
[15:44] jetienne_: hmm ok
[15:44] EM03: hmmmm . bllllah
[15:45] jetienne_: EM03: search for such comparison on the web, it is better suitter than irc
[15:45] jetienne_: suitted
[15:45] EM03: i did google quite a bit hmm I think I might just go for it 
[15:46] EM03: I work on very large projects so sometimes if a bad framework is used we all suffer
[15:46] jetienne_: EM03: the point is more in the language you use for the server
[15:46] EM03: we do rails and we are miserable 
[15:47] EM03: rails gets huge and bloated quick 
[15:47] jetienne_: EM03: if you use node.js on the server, express.js is used a lot
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[15:47] EM03: yes this would be all server
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[15:47] jetienne_: EM03: ok so play with express for a day or tzo
[15:47] jetienne_: two
[15:47] jetienne_: this is worthwhile, it is clearly the most used framework in node
[15:47] EM03: yea i was last night, I'm probably going for it :P 
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[15:48] jetienne_: if you do ruby, i think sinatra is the closest analogy
[15:48] EM03: I did notice that ...sometime hard to convince , hey we should scrap rails .....use express hmm 
[15:48] jetienne_: there is a lot more
[15:48] bogomips: hi
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[15:49] jetienne_: i mean i use only js for 18months now, and i wont advice you to switch your code base just like that
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[15:50] jetienne_: doc, maturity, time to rewrite, time to teach the team to use javascript
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[15:50] jetienne_: those criteria are real
[15:51] Bartzy: SubStack: But should I serve static files with node.js ?
[15:51] Bartzy: or is nginx more suitable for that ?
[15:52] EM03: jetienne_: rails is killing us 
[15:52] Aikar: EM03: stab it back
[15:52] SubStack: Bartzy: use whatever is easy and does the job!
[15:53] Bartzy: SubStack: That's not the answer I was looking for :)
[15:53] jetienne_: nginx
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[15:53] jetienne_: it uses less ram and is a more suitable front
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[15:53] Bartzy: SubStack: I can serve static files from PHP for example. But that's extremely stupid. My question is what are the general and best practice deployments of node.js in websites. Behind some web server ?
[15:54] SubStack: Bartzy: you haven't given us enough information to make an informed response
[15:54] SubStack: are you serving up gigabytes of data each day? best to use nginx then
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[15:54] SubStack: are you just serving a few static files? node works just fine for that
[15:54] EM03: Aikar: we are bleeding, we are almost dead .....help :( ....we work on stuff that is over 300k lines etc and rails just becomes a file mess quickly 
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[15:55] SubStack: Bartzy: I don't put node behind anything but other people do
[15:55] jetienne_: EM03: to rewrtie 300kline of ruby wont happen any time soon
[15:55] EM03: oh no 
[15:55] SubStack: it's all very new and the tech is evolving
[15:55] EM03: this is just for new stuff
[15:55] jetienne_: EM03: you got the time to estimate the alternative
[15:55] Bartzy: Node.js is generally used only for high-tarffic apps ?
[15:55] Bartzy: or also for regular websites ?
[15:55] EM03: express with some templates seems to be a good way of doing it 
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[15:55] jetienne_: EM03: express.js + node.js is nice if you know js for real and efficient on cpu/ram
[15:56] EM03: the framework is much like the ruby web  framework sinatra
[15:56] blkcat: Bartzy: i think you're creating artificial distinctions here :)
[15:56] blkcat: Bartzy: you can use node for whatever you want.
[15:56] blkcat: i run my personal website on node just because i can. ;)
[15:56] jetienne_: blkcat: ++
[15:57] jetienne_: Bartzy: to bench static file in node is like 3 cmdline :)
[15:57] jetienne_: Bartzy: 1. create the apps. 2. run the app.js 3. do ab
[15:57] jetienne_: Bartzy: im not kidding :)
[15:57] Bartzy: SubStack: So with node you open the static files and serve them ?
[15:58] jetienne_: Bartzy: yes
[15:58] SubStack: Bartzy: you can use one of the many static modules on npm
[15:58] SubStack: some of them have caching even
[15:58] jetienne_: caching static file im not sure it is smart :)\
[15:59] Bartzy: I don't get why use node.js when you don't need high concurrency ?
[15:59] SubStack: Bartzy: because it's nice and has great libraries
[15:59] jetienne_: Bartzy: you dont 
[15:59] SubStack: 
ACTION does

[16:00] blkcat: 
ACTION too

[16:00] Bonuspunk: because its super easy and it does exactly what i need
[16:00] jetienne_: Bartzy: you use it when you want js
[16:00] jetienne_: js is the key here
[16:00] SubStack: I have super low concurrency needs, I'm just here for the libraries
[16:00] blkcat: ^
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[16:00] jetienne_: i just want to be able to forget php/python/ruby
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[16:01] Bartzy: SubStack: And Python/PHP/Ruby don't ?
[16:01] jetienne_: hehe 
[16:01] jetienne_: Bartzy: they do
[16:01] framlin: I just use node to be as cool as node ;)
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[16:01] jetienne_: php got a doc which is so much better than node
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[16:02] SubStack: it must!
[16:02] jetienne_: ruby doc is crap too
[16:02] SubStack: all those inconsistencies aren't going to document themselves :p
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[16:02] jetienne_: :)
[16:02] framlin: no real programmer needs docs ... ;)
[16:02] Bartzy: Bonuspunk: What do you "need" ?
[16:02] jetienne_: framlin: mouaouaou
[16:03] jetienne_: framlin: prgorammer are efficient. so doc+stability is super important
[16:03] Bartzy: SubStack: But there are so many libraries for Python...
[16:03] jetienne_: Bartzy: then use python
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[16:03] blkcat: if you like python better, use python. :)
[16:03] Bartzy: jetienne_: I'm not trying to insult anyone. Just to understand why people use node.js when there's no real concurrency need...
[16:03] jetienne_: blkcat: python is good. a good part of google is in python. the LARGEST website on the world
[16:03] SubStack: I like how node is the first big post-github framework
[16:04] jetienne_: Bartzy: because concurrency is irrelevant
[16:04] SubStack: we can be much more federated about everything
[16:04] blkcat: Bartzy: because they like javascript and they like the libraries. we've been over this, i think. ;)
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[16:04] jetienne_: Bartzy: you can do it in any language
[16:04] jetienne_: Bartzy: dont believe the press
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[16:05] framlin: Bartzy: If your fingers think JavaScript, then you should use nodeJS if they do not think, try Erlang, if you need concurrency 
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[16:06] Bonuspunk: Bartzy http.createServer(function(req, res) { /* here i place my code */ }).listen(PORT)
[16:07] framlin: Bartzy: I code JavaScript 10 hours a day since 5 years, why should I use any system that forces me to think ... say .... Java?
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[16:13] Bonuspunk: everybody seen this --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc <-- ?
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[16:22] bingomanatee: My Canvas article http://wonderlandlabs.com/wll_drupal/os/node/canvas/index.html
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[16:22] Detroitboy: Yo, it/join #ruby-lang
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[16:28] chapel: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[16:31] Detroitboy: This is the boy from the Motor City. I'm sipping Vernors while typing Ruby on my Macbook. The muggers love me cause my cell's a 313.
[16:31] Detroitboy: The Detroit ladies are sick sick sick so sick I need 911
[16:32] ckknight: is there anything like capistrano for node.js?
[16:32] Detroitboy: The Tigers will freak freak freak you out. The Motor City is a lovely city. Put your hands up 4 Detroi.
[16:32] Detroitboy: ckknight: now.js
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[16:33] ckknight: Detroitboy: that is very different, I'm talking about capistrano, the deployment utility
[16:34] Detroitboy: oh
[16:34] Detroitboy: 
ACTION learned something new today.

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[16:38] bogomips: using this method, how i can send stdin to my child ? i read about child.stdi but is not clear how i must use it. thanks
[16:38] bogomips: http://pastebin.com/d0j5Hmux
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[16:47] boxysean: hi all, getting ungoogleable error <http://pastebin.com/T5S1DKcU> lines 10-13 most important
[16:48] boxysean: socket.io and node.js
[16:48] boxysean: node server crashing whenever a client connects due to not being able to find setHeader method in ServerResponse object
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[16:49] boxysean: seems like setHeader is supposed to be there, so perhaps i have a simple error somewhere on my system
[16:49] boxysean: any leads on where to look would be appreciated :)
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[16:51] Guest11664: The more I think about it, the less I ever want to server dynamic html
[16:51] Guest11664: And the less I want to maintain a map of redirects and links between pages and protocols
[16:52] Guest11664: I'm coding up something right now to serve up a bootstrap and handle all the templates and introduce new js through script tags like jsonp
[16:52] Guest11664: But it occurs to me this might already exist
[16:52] stride: boxysean: have you tried that on a more recent version of node / is your socket.io version from around the time node 0.2.6 was released?
[16:53] Guest11664: Anyone know about this?
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[16:53] stride: Guest11664: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/modules#templating one of those maybe :)
[16:54] Guest11664: Thanks, I'll check it out
[16:54] stride: .oO(when the hell did that list grow so large)
[16:55] stride: Guest11664: as for the bootstrapping part, express/connect is the most popular framework for web related stuff nowadays
[16:55] framlin: Guest11664: why not manipulate just the DOM on the server and send it to the client?
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[16:56] framlin: Guest11664: sending the HTML-representation of the DOM to the server ..
[16:56] Guest11664: Because that makes it so I can't cache anything, and it mixes two separate concerns 
[16:56] framlin: why can't you cache and what would be mixed?
[16:57] Guest11664: Because there really isn't any reason that it would help
[16:57] framlin: ah ok 
[16:57] Guest11664: yeah
[16:57] framlin: and why would templating help you?
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[16:58] Guest11664: Well, the templating I'm not sweating
[16:58] Guest11664: But it would help because the templates are static files
[16:58] Guest11664: So they could be cached at the server and the client if need be
[16:58] boxysean: stride: i'm looking, thanks :)
[16:58] Detroitboy: How do you get DOM in node.js?
[16:58] Guest11664: I'm not entirely sure you do
[16:59] Guest11664: Even if you could, I don't think you'd want to, which is kind of what we are talking about
[16:59] Guest11664: :)
[16:59] framlin: If I have to create WebPages, I use nodejs and jQuery to create the DOM
[16:59] framlin: jsdom
[16:59] framlin: that runs on nodejs ..
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[17:00] framlin: and there is nort reason, why I should not be able to cache that
[17:01] bingomanatee: In my experience putting DOM in a DRY context further removes your templates from your designers; i.e., it makes more work for you , and not necessarily the kind of work I consider meaningful. 
[17:01] framlin: becaus the cahce would sit in front of that part of the system that has to process the WebPages
[17:02] framlin: ok, but I have no designers
[17:02] framlin: ;)
[17:02] bingomanatee: jQuery has a nice templating language thats relatively accessible.
[17:02] Guest11664: Cache things like <div id="userid">12</userid><div class="message">Sup Jive Turkey, I am number 12</div>
[17:02] Guest11664: ?
[17:02] Guest11664: Because you could, yeah
[17:02] Detroitboy: bingomanatee: What does DRY mean?
[17:02] Guest11664: Don't Repeat Yourself
[17:02] Guest11664: Anyhow, that would only be shared for that user
[17:03] bingomanatee: Don't repeat yourself; the whole YAML/Coffeescript/HAML school of development
[17:03] Guest11664: So it would be memory intensive, and when ANY data changes, your cache is invalidated
[17:03] Guest11664: So on a dynamic web page it doesn't work so well
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[17:04] framlin: I can not see any connection, between the question, where you process your pages and if you reapeat anything ...
[17:04] Guest11664: Nah, just trying to answer a question
[17:04] Guest11664: Sorry about the confusion
[17:04] framlin: Guest11664: but I see your point concernig cache
[17:04] Guest11664: Although, this does help that 
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[17:05] Guest11664: What I am gathering is that this is relatively unexplored territory
[17:06] Guest11664: I should probably push this code to github or something...
[17:06] bingomanatee: You could try popping github -- who knows what you'll get!
[17:07] Guest11664: WOAH! I got a ruby implementation of brainf**k!
[17:07] Guest11664: I got a dinner eating simulator!
[17:07] Guest11664: I got all the code to a major social network!
[17:07] Guest11664: These are all so useless, yet fun! :)
[17:08] framlin: DRY and seperation of responsibility are general development-goals, but I do not think, that they are connected to tempolating or not or Ruby vs. JavaScript or some like that
[17:09] Detroitboy: Why can't I pass a string as a reference?
[17:09] Guest11664: I think they *are* connected to templating :) I suppose we'll see
[17:10] Guest11664: @DetriotBoy: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/51185/are-javascript-strings-immutable-do-i-need-a-string-builder-in-js
[17:10] boxysean: stride: win! was relying too hard on aptitude to pick my node.js version
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[17:11] Guest11664: Not easy to google for, but there it is, hope it helps
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[17:13] Guest11664: Wow, dyslexic me, Detroitboy -- see above solution (is that how you get someone's attention on IRC?)
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[17:14] Detroitboy: hmm
[17:14] framlin: Guest11664: have you seen this: http://blog.nodejitsu.com/micro-templates-are-dead   ?
[17:14] Detroitboy: Guest11664: Thanks
[17:14] Guest11664: np
[17:14] Guest11664: I hadn't seen that
[17:14] Guest11664: I'll check it out
[17:16] Guest11664: Hmm...
[17:17] Guest11664: I think he starts with some good thoughts
[17:17] Guest11664: But he constrains the solution 
[17:17] Guest11664: You don't need the server to do the templating
[17:17] Guest11664: Once you stop doing that, this problem goes away
[17:18] Guest11664: Also, I'm not crazy about this idea front end programmers are idiots
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[17:19] Guest11664: Not to say I haven't met more than a few people in the intersection of those two categories :)
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[17:20] Guest11664: Anyhow, I'm going to go finish programming that up so I have a demo to show people why it makes sense, which may or may not actually accomplish that goal
[17:21] EM03: what do you guys think of the whole node jade template thing?
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[17:22] insin: it's very... templatey
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[17:24] framlin: Guest18468: But if you want to do the templating on the client, there has to run JavaScript on the client, right?
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[17:27] igl: jade is great EM03
[17:27] EM03: itsl ike haml 
[17:27] EM03: i think i would like html with inline js or something 
[17:27] igl: > ejs
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[17:30] EM03: seems like jade is the most feature complete when it comes to debuging and error reporting, would that be correct igl  ?
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[17:31] igl: jade and ejs are the most popular ones and pretty much on par
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[17:33] muk_mb: Could I get one of you guys to do some code-review with me?
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[17:34] EM03: igl: you still recommend jade probably though right?
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[17:34] blkcat: jade is very feature-rich even if the syntax occasionally drives me bonkers
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[17:35] EM03: blkcat: so you would recommend that for if I'm using it with express right
[17:35] EM03: I never got much into haml , but it seems very similar in a way
[17:36] blkcat: sure. :)
[17:36] blkcat: it's developed by the same guy so it's probably your best bet.
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[17:52] EM03: is express broken right now blkcat ?
[17:53] blkcat: eh?
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[17:54] EM03: hmm
[17:54] jetienne_: EM03: express.js is a serious lib, not a weekend project. it doesnt break without a good reason
[17:54] EM03: well
[17:54] EM03: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5161828/express-framework-giving-a-very-strange-error
[17:54] EM03: i wonder if this issue is resolved
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[17:54] EM03: I'm getting the same thing 
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[17:54] jetienne_: EM03: i have seen node.js release postponed because it broke express.js
[17:54] explodes: Hey #node.js.  Writing a small application in node.js, relatively new to javascript.  In a lot of other javascript scripts, I see the whole file's code contents wrapped like so: (function(){   ..module contents.. })()  What is the point of doing this?  In node.js, is this design improper form?
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[17:55] jetienne_: EM03: the error is elsewhere
[17:55] jetienne_: EM03: seriously you do require('express') and you get an exception ?
[17:55] SubStack: explodes: that is a workaround for how the browser doesn't have a module system
[17:56] SubStack: but node's module system is quite nice so it's unnecessary!
[17:56] EM03: can i do npm install -g -d
[17:56] EM03: ?
[17:56] jetienne_: no clue i dont use npm it never worked for me
[17:56] SubStack: explodes: here's more about modules: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.9/api/all.html#modules
[17:56] jetienne_: i do node_modules instead
[17:56] explodes: SubStack: And the potential polluting of global variables is of no concern?
[17:57] jetienne_: EM03: let me say it differently, i created a new project yesterday with express. and all went ok
[17:57] SubStack: explodes: you have to go out of your way to pollute the global namespace thankfully
[17:58] EM03: Error: Cannot find module 'express'
[17:58] EM03: but i run express somedir/   << and all works fine 
[17:58] explodes: Excellent
[17:58] SubStack: explodes: if you just require() files you'll be fine since node already puts a (function () {})() around everything
[17:58] jetienne_: EM03: well you need to install express
[17:58] EM03: ^^
[17:58] explodes: Oh whaddup
[17:58] EM03: i did npm install express -g 
[17:58] EM03: then express testerdir/   << made everything .....node. app.js and it doesn't work
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[17:59] jetienne_: EM03: "nmod install express" in the root of your directory
[17:59] jetienne_: EM03: i went up to code nmod to workaround npm stuff i dont ge
[17:59] jetienne_: t
[17:59] EM03: nmod?
[18:00] jetienne_: EM03: a single node.js script which read npm database and install it in local node_modules
[18:00] jetienne_: simple and predictable
[18:00] EM03: where is the file? 
[18:00] jetienne_: https://github.com/jeromeetienne/nmod for source 
[18:00] EM03: ah
[18:00] jetienne_: sudo wget -O /usr/bin/nmod --no-check-certificate http://github.com/jeromeetienne/nmod/raw/master/nmod
[18:00] jetienne_: sudo chmod +x /usr/bin/nmod
[18:00] jetienne_: to instqll
[18:00] EM03: btw this is crazy 2 months ago .......this worked just fine 
[18:01] jetienne_: EM03: the issue here is npm, not express
[18:01] EM03: oh
[18:01] EM03: hmm
[18:01] EM03: wonder why 
[18:01] jetienne_: i stopped wondering :)
[18:02] jetienne_: EM03: you can git clone too
[18:02] boxysean: hey guys, i'm having a socket.io issue. my app works on my web browser but no longer on my android phone and emulator (it had worked previously)
[18:03] boxysean: the android is giving this on the console.log "E/browser (  291): Console: Flash Player >= 10.0.0 is required. http://192.168.1.111/~boxysean/NoBarrierOSC/js/lib/socket.io.js:1031"
[18:03] jetienne_: boxysean: #socket.io may know more
[18:03] boxysean: thanks
[18:03] boxysean: :)
[18:03] jetienne_:  Flash Player ? no good
[18:03] jetienne_: boxysean: my suggestion would be to play with transport option
[18:03] boxysean: okay. i have done a bit, removing/adding new transports
[18:03] boxysean: will try a bit more
[18:03] jetienne_: put a long polling one before flash
[18:04] jetienne_: my guess is that you got flash on your android but a version which isnt cool for socket.io
[18:04] EM03: actually i got it jetienne_    
[18:04] EM03: :P 
[18:04] jetienne_: EM03: cool :)
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[18:12] jetienne_: boxysean: btw there is a remember option, which cache last transport, be sure to set it to false
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[18:12] boxysean: jetienne_, it has been set to false
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[18:13] boxysean: jetienne_, i'm looking into reordering, i had seen xhr-polling to be the method working on android
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[18:13] boxysean: jetienne_, also curious if that error message i quoted above is a black swan, maybe it was showing before too
[18:13] jetienne_: boxysean: this isnt clean but you may do "if android put xhr polling first"
[18:14] boxysean: jetienne_, not a bad idea at all, working > cleanliness at this point
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[18:17] jetienne_: boxysean: btw OSC = sound stuff ?
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[18:19] boxysean: jetienne_, yeah "the new midi" but y'know midi will persist
[18:19] boxysean: OSC = "the new midi" that is
[18:19] dtan: hey, does anyone use mongoose?
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[18:22] jetienne_: boxysean: doing a music game here. the music source are midi file
[18:23] boxysean: jetienne_, i can't imagine how OSC would be better than a MIDI file in that context
[18:23] jetienne_: boxysean: unlikely it would be :) here it is about the amount of existing files encoded in this format. midi
[18:24] boxysean: jetienne_, OSC is popular/native with Processing, MaxMSP, OpenFrameworks. artists tend to use it for a variety of things
[18:24] jetienne_: boxysean: i used it with max in the past life :)
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[18:25] boxysean: ah okay :)
[18:26] boxysean: jetienne_, making here a platform for networked interactivity, i.e., people use their phones, pop up a webpage, press some buttons, messages sent to server and server reacts
[18:26] boxysean: jetienne_, good for interactive installations or performances
[18:27] boxysean: jetienne_, has been done a few ways i think, but still no clear best solution
[18:27] jetienne_: boxysean: nice :) i organised demojs.org last week. and we had a concert 8bit controlled by gameboy :)
[18:28] jetienne_: boxysean: btw the latency on websocket/flashsocket are super good, 25ms
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[18:28] jetienne_: i run a server on this. http://easywebsocket.org
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[18:29] jetienne_: http://easywebsocket.org/contrib/monitor/ for the latency
[18:29] boxysean: jetienne_, oh good to know. i was pessimistic about it working over the web
[18:29] jetienne_: it all depends on server location 
[18:29] boxysean: yes true :)
[18:30] jetienne_: 25ms is for me being in paris, and the server too :)
[18:30] boxysean: jetienne_, also love 8bit/gameboys/etc will look into your conference
[18:30] jetienne_: nice stuff sponsored by mozilla
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[18:31] jetienne_: going back to work have fun dont hesitate to ping me
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[19:08] stephank: SubStack: You should totally document the options to require() in browserify. It seems like they're meant to be internal, but I find them useful.
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[19:22] arlolra: does anyone here have a server running OpenBSD? would you be willing to donate it as a slave for the node.js buildbot?
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[19:22] context: a nodejs buildbot?
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[19:22] context: for like native extensions?
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[19:31] Kuntau: i got a fatal error with python when trying to ./configure node.js
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[19:32] Kuntau: died waiting for dll loading, errno 11
[19:32] arlolra: context: http://buildbot.nodejs.org/waterfall
[19:34] Kuntau: are refering that to me arlolra?
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[19:40] coltr: Kuntau: http://blog.drewbowman.net/2010/12/problem-compiling-node-js-on-windows/
[19:40] DoNaLd`: is it possible somehow get text value from select in posted form ?
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[19:43] arlolra: Kuntau: no, that was to the user name "context"
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[19:53] akiva: Hello all
[19:54] EM03: whats the thing again to not have to reload my file directly? 
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[19:54] akiva: nodemon
[19:54] akiva: EM03: ^
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[19:55] EM03: thank you 
[19:55] EM03: akiva: have you used express before?
[19:56] akiva: Yes.
[19:56] EM03: if you have can you recommend a few other npm's that I might need?
[19:56] EM03: modules sorry
[19:56] akiva: Start by not using any, imo. I am still rather new myself. But starting with the minimum helps 
[19:57] EM03: i mean i got all the needed things , jade etc 
[19:57] EM03: just curious if its like ....you absolutely need this and this 
[19:57] EM03: such as nodemon 
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[19:57] akiva: Nope. Not at all. But I use EJS and Stylus all the time.
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[19:58] akiva: Obviously you need more if you use databases, etc.
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[19:59] EM03: i was thinking of using sequealize honestly .....
[19:59] EM03: what do you think of that?
[19:59] EM03: how do you use your db stuff?
[19:59] EM03: I have no issue with SQL myself personally 
[20:00] akiva: So far I haven't delved too deeply in heavy DB stuff. I am quite into Mongo and that, but Sequelize does look promising
[20:00] EM03: hmm actually I think i want to use SQL directly hmm 
[20:00] akiva: I am not really for ORMs at all, so I woudln't know about that
[20:00] EM03: i like orm's alot but sometimes they go overboard
[20:00] akiva: ORMs are deceptive beasts
[20:01] EM03: my issue with orm's is that sometimes I think the closer you are to the data the better the db 
[20:01] EM03: and the application 
[20:01] EM03: I was a dba for quite some time
[20:01] EM03: some people who don't write sql alot like orm's because it seems to abstract it away a little 
[20:01] EM03: I feel so much more comfortable with sql directly though
[20:01] akiva: You shouldn't abstract SQL at all
[20:02] akiva: Ever.
[20:02] akiva: But I understand where they are coming from.
[20:02] akiva: I recently tweeted to a great blog post about just that very thing
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[20:02] tmzt: anybody know how with or without mongoose to get a cursor that sends all the results then a complete event? I've tried just handling results == null as the complete but it doesn't work consistently
[20:03] akiva: It seems contrary to any reasoning to worry so much about abstracting SQL statements. Rarely does a project ever switch DBs, and even when they do, it's hardly such an issue that it's worth the performance hit of an ORM
[20:03] EM03: akiva: to people who don't use sql alot , working with data in that way sounds great 
[20:03] EM03: but I'm super super quick with sql 
[20:03] EM03: yea the whole db agnostic stuff is kinda stupid 
[20:03] EM03: i never change 
[20:04] akiva: EM03: I think they are tricking themselves into thinking that because they don't want to learn the SQL. SQL is extremely easy. If anyone really considers themselves a programmer, they ought to know it.
[20:04] EM03: unless you do some stupid stuff like put facebook on sqlite 
[20:04] EM03: yes , we think alike , I love my joins 
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[20:04] EM03: all the many to one crap that orm's do add more complexity in so many ways 
[20:04] akiva: Yes. Joins are truly rubbish in ORMs
[20:04] akiva: I still believe in writing my own models.
[20:04] akiva: ALWAYS use models for data
[20:05] EM03: yes for sure 
[20:05] EM03: nothing against models 
[20:05] EM03: its the model tied to an ORM is my issue 
[20:05] akiva: But ORMs are rubbish, always grabbing every single column (SELECT *)
[20:05] akiva: blacgh
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[20:05] EM03: and it feels natural akiva , its faster .....why because its so obvious !!!
[20:06] EM03: sometimes it feels to obvious and people call it the PHP way .....its more like the computer science way, most db crucial apps outside of web apps work directly with SQL 
[20:06] akiva: Laziness causes more laziness, which causes only headaches long term.
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[20:06] EM03: I'm just not in the mood for fighting with orm's 
[20:06] akiva: ^_^
[20:07] EM03: I work some very large apps .... 10k hits per sec
[20:07] EM03: so this node will be perfect
[20:07] EM03: with express, sql binding and jade templates.....we really might have something here!
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[20:08] akiva: Express is pretty nice, from what I have found so far. It helps that it's quite light.
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[20:08] akiva: I am still tempted to just roll my own system for some apps
[20:08] fille: bnei akiva?
[20:08] kkaefer: akiva: why would you roll your own over express/connect?
[20:09] akiva: kkaefer: Not every app calls from the same set up. If I make some thing really light, it may prove more interesting to try my own microframework out tailored to do only what the app needs. Plus it helps to learn new things.
[20:09] akiva: fille: Yes?
[20:09] akiva: My name is Akiva, too
[20:09] fille: nice :D
[20:09] blueadept: what's the linux command to scan n ip to check what type of http server it's running?
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[20:10] fille: ifcongif?
[20:10] blueadept: i dont think so
[20:11] EM03: akiva: what do you think of rails?
[20:11] EM03: it became a nightmare for me 
[20:11] akiva: I have used it before, but as much as I love Ruby, it's too sluggish for my liking.
[20:11] tmzt: nmap
[20:11] blueadept: ah that's it
[20:11] blueadept: thanks!
[20:11] akiva: Rails 3 is nice. The older ones, no.
[20:11] tmzt: if you're on the computer, netstat -tllp
[20:11] tmzt: -tlp
[20:12] tmzt: as for type, try nc ip 80
[20:12] fille: any one have experince with node-mongodb-wrapper
[20:12] fille: ?
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[20:13] EM03: akiva: i love ruby as well .....well actually no i hate ruby I <3 smalltalk so that means I have to love ruby because its the only similar language that has that much smalltalk influence
[20:13] EM03: but JS just works and v8 is super quick
[20:14] akiva: EM03: Objective C has some smalltalk influence in there.
[20:14] fille: EM03 why do u need to be convinced, what do u think ?
[20:14] EM03: oh yea I do like objc a well 
[20:14] akiva: But I am trying to focus mainly on NodeJS these days.
[20:14] EM03: fille: convinced of what? express? 
[20:14] fille: asked me the same questions some hours ago
[20:14] EM03: I'm convinced as of now 
[20:14] EM03: last night before I went to bed yea
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[20:15] EM03: fille: I just woke back up a little bit ago :D 
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[20:15] fille: :D
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[20:16] tmzt: I've got to learn how to do unit testing the right way, including of my websockets api
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[20:16] akiva: Express is nice, yes. But like I said, it may be worth while to try to work only in node to start, learning how all the modules come together.
[20:16] fille: i dont like javascript, it has nothing with what i learnd in school
[20:17] tmzt: very hard to do node without javascript
[20:17] fille: exactly, but i learnd java and .NET in school
[20:17] AvianFlu: so forget them to make space for node
[20:18] AvianFlu: that's what I did with perl :-P
[20:18] akiva: .NET is the devil. Java is not far behind. lol
[20:18] akiva: Java is okay in some ways, but not really for me.
[20:18] fille: already did ,but what happend if u scale up a node.js project 
[20:18] akiva: It's incredibly bloated, but at least it is fast.
[20:18] AvianFlu: actually, I would say that PHP is the devil
[20:18] AvianFlu: there's more temptation involved
[20:19] AvianFlu: "Write me!  I'm easy!  Don't worry about sanitizing your input..."
[20:19] akiva: PHP is as good as the developer behind it.
[20:19] akiva: Many of the most heavily trafficked sites are using PHP
[20:19] AvianFlu: ultimately, I agree; though my joke stand
[20:19] AvianFlu: s
[20:19] akiva: Yes. PHP can be gross for sure.
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[20:19] akiva: Time to work.
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[20:20] AvianFlu: we're going to see that with node, too - I don't imagine that the million noob march is far off once windows support lands :-P
[20:20] fille: cohesion 
[20:20] akiva: Node is too confusing for noobs
[20:20] fille: and coupling
[20:20] akiva: Asynchronicity is lost on them
[20:21] akiva: spelling, sorry.
[20:21] AvianFlu: that's the problem though!
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[20:21] AvianFlu: they're not gonna get scared off because of hard syntax - the syntax is easy
[20:21] AvianFlu: they're gonna start to code, and not do async stuff right
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[20:21] fille: i got one file for my express project
[20:22] akiva: Well, that's no different than jQuery. Most of the jQuery users are nightmares.
[20:22] fille: i dont think thats something good
[20:22] fille: and some views
[20:22] AvianFlu: yeah true lol
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[20:23] Kingdutch: You shouldn't make stuff too easy
[20:23] Kingdutch: Because you get crappy code
[20:23] Kingdutch: Which results in sloppy programs
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[20:24] Kingdutch: @ the few lines of the conversation I read
[20:24] fille: i dont think my express code is very nice
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[20:25] fille: its a mess with app.post and app.get functions 
[20:25] Swizec: programmers shoudl be lazy
[20:25] Swizec: their tools should make it easier to be lazy well
[20:26] fille: i whant to see yammers code
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[20:27] fille: so to my question did any one get the mongodb-wrapper work
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[20:32] EM03: -there is so many mysql modules ....which is the de facto standard?
[20:33] fille: mysql
[20:33] fille: npm install mysql 
[20:33] fille: felix module
[20:33] EM03: so node-mysql?
[20:33] fille: yes
[20:34] EM03: ok i saw another called db-mysql wasn't sure which one was the standard
[20:34] fille: felige is really good
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[20:34] fille: felixge
[20:34] EM03: node-mysql it is !
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[20:34] fille: greate chooise
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[20:38] EM03: now lets see how fast I can get my first express project done :) 
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[20:38] EM03: only thing that still scares me is form handling, thats always a troubling point for many frameworks
[20:39] fille: u mean like POST form?
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[20:40] fille: like <form action="/remove" method="POST"><
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[20:41] fille: http://www.bjornalycke.se/articles/mysql-vs-mongodb-0
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[21:01] EM03: fille: yes not so much the sending form, i'm more concerned about accessing the actual POST data 
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[21:01] EM03: in rails it can be a b*tch 
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[21:04] vhold1: With the ''connect' middleware, you just put in a bodyParser layer and it populates a "body" hash with the parameters in the request object
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[21:12] fille: EM03 okej
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[21:14] EM03: fille: okej?
[21:15] fille: EM03 about the post data
[21:15] EM03: I googled okeg fille couldn't find anything, would you be so kind? :P 
[21:17] fille: i
[21:17] fille: app.use(express.bodyParser());
[21:17] fille: app.use(express.methodOverride());
[21:17] fille: app.post('/keywords/word/:id',function(req,res) {
[21:17] fille:  var  id = req.body.id;
[21:17] fille: there u go
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[21:18] fille: something like that?
[21:20] fille: dont mind the /keywords/word/:id
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[21:31] dall: hello everybody
[21:31] dall: is there a node.js module to create charts ? (i mean .png .gif or .jpg file with the chart)
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[21:33] jmoyers: dall: http://thechangelog.com/post/1489735759/node-canvas-render-and-stream-html5-canvas-using-node-js
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[21:35] dall: jmoyers, thank you...but i don't what to stream it...i only want to save it as image on the server
[21:35] jmoyers: ...
[21:36] jmoyers: double check the example
[21:36] dall: jmoyers, but i think it should be ok
[21:36] dall: :D
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[21:37] dall: amazing
[21:37] dall: thanks!!!!
[21:37] dall: :D
[21:38] isaacs: dall: canvas.createPNGStream().pipe(fs.createWriteStream("output.png"))
[21:38] dall: isaacs, thanks!
[21:38] dall: perfect
[21:39] isaacs: dall: the stream interface paradigm is powerful
[21:39] isaacs: dall: it's a universal data interface.
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[21:40] dall: good... now i'm installing the module
[21:40] dall: thank you guys!
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[21:43] dall: isaacs, https://github.com/LearnBoost/node-canvas right?
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[21:43] isaacs: i think so, yah
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[21:45] dall: uh is not on npm
[21:45] dall: npm ERR! 404 'node-canvas' is not in the npm registry.
[21:45] isaacs: i think it's just called "canvas"
[21:45] dall: grrrrrrrr
[21:45] dall: yes yes
[21:45] dall: :F
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[21:45] isaacs: dall https://github.com/LearnBoost/node-canvas/blob/master/package.json#L1
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[21:46] dall: yes
[21:46] dall: isaacs, i had a problem
[21:46] dall: on moment i post it
[21:46] dall: isaacs, https://gist.github.com/1075004
[21:47] isaacs: dall: Checking for library jpeg                : not found                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
[21:47] isaacs: Checking for cairo                       : not found                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
[21:47] isaacs: dall: you should probably install libcairo or whatever it's called in your platform
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[21:47] dall: i'm using ubuntu
[21:47] dall: ok i will check
[21:47] isaacs: apt-search cairo maybe?
[21:48] dall: libcairo2 - The Cairo 2D vector graphics library
[21:48] dall: yes
[21:48] isaacs: apt-cache search cairo
[21:48] dall: i will install it
[21:48] isaacs: dall: you may need the libcairo2-dev, as well
[21:48] dall: both ?
[21:49] isaacs: depends on whether or not node-canvas uses cairo's header files
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[21:49] dall: i'm isntalling both
[21:49] dall: :)
[21:50] dall: isaacs, what about Checking for node path                   : not found  ?
[21:52] dall: done
[21:52] dall: but i still have:
[21:52] dall: Checking for library jpeg                : not found
[21:52] dall: and
[21:53] dall: Checking for node path                   : not found 
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[21:56] jmoyers: presumably you're looking for libjpeg
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[21:58] dall: jmoyers, good! fixed....and for Checking for node path                   : not found ??
[21:58] tmzt: anybody know how to require a directory full of .js for the side effects (mongoose)
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[21:59] jmoyers: did the build fail?
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[22:01] dall: jmoyers, no
[22:01] jmoyers: well, then don't worry about it.
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[22:02] dall: ok
[22:02] dall: jmoyers, node-canvas is very good...but there aren't enough information on the readme
[22:03] dall: like how to create a line chart
[22:03] dall: ecc ecc
[22:03] dall: do you know a tutorial about it?
[22:03] jmoyers: its not a charting tool -- its html5 canvas, serverside
[22:03] jmoyers: there aren't going to be specific graphing examples
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[22:04] dall: jmoyers, do you know a charting tool for node?
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[22:05] Nexxy: wouldn't you rather make charts client side?
[22:06] dall: no i have to save those png files on the server
[22:06] jmoyers: this is pretty much getting #lazyweb to the extreme
[22:06] jmoyers: https://gist.github.com/708166
[22:06] jmoyers: google is friend
[22:06] jmoyers: at least put a little effort in
[22:06] jmoyers: node-canvas is a way to have a pretty fully featured canvas api on the server side -- output to a png etc. any graphing package that uses the canvas api is potentially a friend
[22:07] dall: OK
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[22:13] dall: guys how could i send post and get request to a web page ?
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[22:14] Nexxy: dall, ask context! He knows all about it ;3
[22:14] jmoyers: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.9/api/http.html#http.request
[22:14] Nexxy: no no no
[22:14] Nexxy: there are MODULES for that!
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[22:14] Nexxy: why would you use a native node method?!
[22:14] jmoyers: also, no shit http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=nodejs+post
[22:14] jmoyers: second result
[22:14] jmoyers: this is what i mean by a little effort
[22:15] jmoyers: Nexxy mikeal's request is not a bad add on
[22:15] jmoyers: handling cookies and common responses isn't bad
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[22:15] Nexxy: jmoyers, I was being facetious ;P
[22:16] jmoyers: =x
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[22:16] mikey_p: 
ACTION can't tell when Nexxy is being facetious anymore

[22:16] Nexxy: I was raked over the coals by a few folks for suggesting http.request instead of a module
[22:16] Nexxy: lol
[22:16] mikey_p: 
ACTION remembers

[22:16] Nexxy: mikey_p, mission accomplished.
[22:16] jmoyers: thats retarded
[22:17] mikey_p: no kidding
[22:17] Nexxy: well... trendy languages tend to attract retardation
[22:17] mikey_p: i don't know why node even has native anything
[22:17] Nexxy: look at ruby 
[22:17] Nexxy: 
ACTION gigglesnort

[22:17] jmoyers: we need more native html5
[22:17] jmoyers: tbh
[22:17] stride: a module? for a http post?
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[22:17] mikey_p: LOL
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[22:18] Nexxy: 
ACTION writes an eye-tracking module that includes modules in your app w/o any typing required

[22:18] llrcombs: what's wrong with http.request?
[22:19] Nexxy: it's not part of a fancy module
[22:19] mikey_p: i don't think I could hate anything more than HTML5 hype
[22:19] stride: Nexxy: make sure that every 10 eye movements a module for generating those eye movements comes out of a reactor
[22:19] jmoyers: html5 deserves hype
[22:19] llrcombs: OMG fancyness
[22:19] jmoyers: and also, its one of the things speeding up the browser wars
[22:19] llrcombs: jmeyers: to a degree
[22:19] jmoyers: so let it ride dude
[22:19] llrcombs: it definitely deserves hype
[22:19] mikey_p: "i just viewed source on your article about HTML5 has revolutionized your blog, and uhm, all you're using is the doctype tag."
[22:20] jmoyers: i mean, you have to admit
[22:20] llrcombs: some bits deserve more hype than they're getting
[22:20] jmoyers: that short doctype
[22:20] jmoyers: its so sexy
[22:20] llrcombs: but some deserve less
[22:20] llrcombs: jmeyers: true
[22:20] mikey_p: I very much like HTML5, I just hate the hype without substance
[22:20] llrcombs: I'm not sure what the long doctype was actually good for
[22:20] jmoyers: not throwing your rendering into quirksmode?
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[22:21] llrcombs: jmeyers: quirksmode was never a good idea
[22:21] jmoyers: shit happens
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[22:21] jmoyers: also its MOYERS for the love of god
[22:21] llrcombs: oh sorry
[22:21] jmoyers: :-)
[22:21] llrcombs: I'm on VNC, small font
[22:22] llrcombs: jmoyers: better?
[22:22] jmoyers: yes indeed
[22:22] jmoyers: i dont always type names in irc
[22:22] jmoyers: but when i do, i use tab complete
[22:22] jmoyers: 
ACTION chuckles at overused meme

[22:22] Nexxy: 
ACTION squints

[22:23] Nexxy: not sure if jmeyers or jmoyers
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[22:23] Nexxy: 
ACTION giggles at misuse of meme

[22:23] jmoyers: their overuse is their strength
[22:24] chjj: in fact, i think that is the definition of a meme
[22:24] chjj: something overused
[22:24] Nexxy: nu uh!
[22:24] chjj: an internet meme anyway
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[22:24] Nexxy: I know of 2 people that would vehemently deny your definition!
[22:24] chjj: i must be wrong then
[22:25] Nexxy: what's new? ;o
[22:25] chjj: :(
[22:25] Nexxy: jay kay lewl!
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[22:42] luisloaia: How you guys set response Headers?
[22:42] luisloaia: I want to set the response Header
[22:42] luisloaia: in a request
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[22:43] jmoyers: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.9/api/http.html#response.writeHead
[22:43] jmoyers: luisloaia ^
[22:44] luisloaia: 	res.writeHead(200, {"Access-Control-Allow-Origin":"*","Content-Type" : "application/json"});
[22:44] luisloaia: this way
[22:44] luisloaia: already try it, let's see
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[22:51] vyvea: Hello, what name of "sys" is on v0.5.1-pre?
[22:52] bnoordhuis: mraleph: why is `for (var i = 0; i < 10e6; ++i)` roughly 5-10 times slower than `for (var i = 0; i < 1000 * 1000; ++i)`?
[22:52] bnoordhuis: and i know the former is a floating-point number
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[22:53] bnoordhuis: but why doesn't v8 pick up the fact that it's a constant in this context?
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[22:53] bnoordhuis: s/constant/integer constant/
[22:53] bnoordhuis: vyvea: util
[22:54] mikey_p: http://twitter.com/mikey_p/status/90188908620546048
[22:54] vyvea: bnoordhuis, thanks.
[22:54] llrcombs: you guys have seen http://rodgercombs.webhop.net/maps/freenode/Node.js/current/true right?
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[22:56] mraleph1: bnoordhuis: well. it is 10 times slower because u do 10 times more iterations :-)
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[22:56] mraleph1: v8: 10e6 / (1000 * 1000)
[22:56] v8bot: mraleph1: 10
[22:56] mraleph1: magic
[22:56] mraleph1: also it is not double
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[22:57] mraleph1: v8: Math.log(10e6) / Math.LOG2E
[22:57] v8bot: mraleph1: 11.172212556457277
[22:57] mraleph1: v8: Math.log(Math.E)
[22:57] v8bot: mraleph1: 1
[22:58] llrcombs: v8: 0.1 + 0.2
[22:58] v8bot: llrcombs: 0.30000000000000004
[22:58] mikey_p: llrcombs: that's pretty cool
[22:58] llrcombs: mikey_p: it's pretty weird
[22:58] llrcombs: it has to do with binary math and losing precision
[22:58] bnoordhuis: mraleph1: ah! *hangs head in shame*
[22:58] bnoordhuis: embarrassing
[22:58] llrcombs: could someone explain to me how that works, and how to prevent it from fscking up my code?
[23:00] mikey_p: llrcombs: i meant the graph
[23:00] mikey_p: llrcombs: can you add channels?
[23:00] mraleph1: oh Math.LOG2E is not log_e 2 argh
[23:00] llrcombs: it runs in any chan I join
[23:00] mraleph1: v8: Math.log(10e6) / Math.log(2)
[23:00] v8bot: mraleph1: 23.25349666421154
[23:01] mraleph1: yeah that's more like it
[23:01] bnoordhuis: mraleph1: fun with numbers?
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[23:01] llrcombs: because it' on my BNC
[23:01] llrcombs: *it's
[23:01] llrcombs: I might split it off to run on its own, just in any channel I ask it to, eventually
[23:01] mraleph1: bnoordhuis: yeah. this days a rarely use anything I learned about math in school. not speaking about uni
[23:01] llrcombs: but for now, I have to find a channel worthwhile-ish to add it
[23:01] mraleph1: s/a rarely/I rarely/
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[23:02] bnoordhuis: mraleph1: i know how it is - and i studied CS :-/
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[23:02] llrcombs: mikey_p: what channel do you want it in?
[23:03] llrcombs: I'll evaluate
[23:03] llrcombs: and if I decide I don't want it, I can walk you through running it yourself
[23:03] mikey_p: I was just curious what'd it look like in drupal-contribute
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[23:03] llrcombs: oh, just curiosity about a particular chan
[23:04] mikey_p: yeah
[23:04] llrcombs: they're generated based on live data
[23:04] llrcombs: not logs
[23:04] llrcombs: so it'd have to be in there for a while to get going
[23:04] llrcombs: if you wanna run my script, though, I'll help you out
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[23:05] jmoyers: llrcombs thats not a javascript problem
[23:05] jmoyers: rather a floating point one
[23:05] jmoyers: v8: (0.1 * 10 + 0.2 * 10) / 10
[23:05] v8bot: jmoyers: 0.3
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[23:12] chapel: llrcombs: you should make it so you can see a specific persons social map
[23:13] llrcombs: chapel: that would be rediculously complex
[23:13] llrcombs: because I didn't write the actual bot
[23:13] chapel: well I don't know how you are dealing with the data
[23:13] chapel: I assumed you wrote it
[23:13] llrcombs: I modded it to output .json rather than actually rendering .pngs
[23:13] chapel: ah
[23:13] chapel: thats cool
[23:14] chapel: whats the bnc?
[23:14] llrcombs: the .json contains the loctations of all the nodes, and the ends, thickness, and opacity of all the bonds
[23:14] llrcombs: I also wrote the HTML/JS magic of the webpage
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[23:14] chapel: nice
[23:14] chapel: what bnc software?
[23:15] llrcombs: ZNC
[23:15] chapel: kk, thats what I use
[23:15] chapel: I need to finish the bnc Im writing in node
[23:16] llrcombs: if you read the code, it actually has full support for real live-updates
[23:16] llrcombs: via EventSource and Node.js
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[23:20] llrcombs: but I disabled it because the directory watcher it used was taking up way too much RAM
[23:21] llrcombs: I've gotta teach the Java bot to write to a fifo when a new .json gets written
[23:21] llrcombs: then I won't need a dir watcher!
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[23:27] mikey_p: llrcombs: it'd be cool if it had a history slider that worked like etherpad
[23:27] mikey_p: just drag side to side to go back and forth through old revisions
[23:27] mikey_p: and then a play button to play forward from any point in the past
[23:31] llrcombs: mikey_p: it does have history, just not in the form of a slider
[23:31] llrcombs: would you like a slider?
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[23:32] llrcombs: the play button wouldn't be too difficult either
[23:32] mikey_p: and you have to hold down the little button to 'play' the history
[23:32] mikey_p: i dunno, just observing
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[23:32] mikey_p: animations are always shiny
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[23:33] llrcombs: please note that the unit of time is not "minutes", "hours", or "seconds". It's in "inferrable lines sent"
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[23:40] duck_: i'm using a layout.ejs page with express and ejs...
[23:40] duck_: i would like to use a different layout in part of my app
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[23:41] duck_: but when I specify res.render('mypage.ejs', { layout: 'mylayout.ejs' ... });
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[23:42] duck_: express renders the default layout as well as mylayout.ejs both
[23:42] duck_: is there a way to effectively change the layout page being used
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