[00:00] dscape: anyone using cloudfoundry?
[00:00] halfhalo: 
ACTION does

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[00:06] dscape: halfhalo: how do you check the error logs?
[00:06] halfhalo: vmc log <appname> iirc
[00:08] dscape: awesome
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[00:09] dscape: thanks halfhalo 
[00:09] dscape: its vmc logs btw
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[00:11] isaacs: blueadept: Math.pow(chars.length, stringLength) <-- that many.
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[00:12] isaacs: blueadept: also, chars.charAt(rNum) is a bit clearer than chars.substr(rNum, rNum + 1)
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[00:14] blueadept: ah ok
[00:15] blueadept: just trying to come up with a simple function for assigning random file names
[00:15] blueadept: dont want to overlap any
[00:17] blueadept: 191 trillion ought to be enough slack
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[00:18] blueadept: though isn't there like more than 191 trillion in notional value in the derivatives markets?
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[00:42] isaacs: blueadept: the "node-uuid" program seems pretty nice.
[00:42] isaacs: blueadept: it's a fairly well understood approach
[00:45] brainproxy: anyone here use/d/ing nomnom pkg for handling command line options? like it? recommend something else?
[00:45] blueadept: i'll check it out
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[00:46] CIA-110: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * re5564a3 10/ (785 files in 30 dirs): Upgrade V8 to 3.4.10 - http://bit.ly/nIsLNh
[00:46] CIA-110: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r91f1b25 10/ lib/events.js : mraleph emit hack - http://bit.ly/oDBUgb
[00:46] CIA-110: node: 03koichik 07master * r8faf941 10/ test/simple/test-repl.js : 
[00:46] CIA-110: node: Fixes #1267.
[00:46] CIA-110: node: Error message of JSON.parse() was changed. - http://bit.ly/qresrY
[00:46] CIA-110: node: 03koichik 07master * rd38fac2 10/ lib/util.js : 
[00:46] CIA-110: node: Fixes #1260
[00:46] CIA-110: node: RegExp object is no longer Function.
[00:46] CIA-110: node: http://code.google.com/p/v8/issues/detail?id=617 - http://bit.ly/ruQBXA
[00:46] CIA-110: node: 03Igor Zinkovsky 07master * ra58b643 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Statically link in dependencies for node.exe - http://bit.ly/nEtcgF
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[00:57] n3m6: anybody here got experience with connec-auth? 
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[01:00] n3m6: hello?
[01:02] jesusabdullah: n3m666666666 :(
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[01:13] isaacs: brainproxy: nomnom seems pretty nice. i use nopt in my stuff.
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[01:13] isaacs: brainproxy: nopt is more about validation than parsing, really, but it is also a parser.  nomnom has a help-banner-generator thing, and i think does a bit of app-routing
[01:13] tbranyen: well you wrote it...
[01:13] jesusabdullah: nopt sounded pretty sweet
[01:13] isaacs: and it has a cool name :)
[01:14] jesusabdullah: I've used optimist a few times, it's real slick for simple cli interfaces
[01:14] jesusabdullah: but on the flipside it has to be opinionated about them as well
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[01:14] isaacs: nopt supports everything npm does, plus a few features that mcavage has bugged me to do :)
[01:14] jesusabdullah: right
[01:14] jesusabdullah: Yeah, nopt looks nice for if you need something special
[01:14] jerrysv: good evening
[01:14] jesusabdullah: gevening
[01:15] isaacs: nomnom does a bit more for you, though
[01:15] isaacs: in terms of help output and routing, i mean
[01:15] isaacs: it's more like a general cli router than just an option parser.
[01:16] jesusabdullah: ah
[01:16] jesusabdullah: Yeah, that's a bit different
[01:17] isaacs: harth: are you harthur?
[01:17] jesusabdullah: Didn't harthur write nomnom?
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[01:18] isaacs: ya
[01:18] isaacs: and i know she's using it in a buncha stuff.
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[01:18] isaacs: you shouldn't trust any option parser where the author isn't using it in a bunch of cli programs.
[01:18] harth: isaacs: yeah, ats me
[01:18] jesusabdullah: I totally follow you on twitter harth
[01:18] jesusabdullah: True story
[01:18] isaacs: harth: ah, nice to meet you, we're discussing option parsers.
[01:19] harth: cool, yeah, I made one of those
[01:19] jesusabdullah: XD
[01:19] jesusabdullah: My housemate made one once
[01:19] harth: I never thought I'd be maintaining an option parser, but here I am
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[01:19] SubStack: haha
[01:20] jesusabdullah: option parser authors, COMBINE TO FORM----
[01:20] isaacs: hahaha
[01:20] jesusabdullah: ...three nerds on irc, apparently
[01:20] isaacs: 
ACTION needs to pull more parts out of npm

[01:20] jesusabdullah: which is a good thing to combine2form I guess
[01:20] jesusabdullah: I need to write more things in general
[01:20] hunterloftis: Anybody successfully used socket.io across multiple node instances in a cluster?
[01:20] jesusabdullah: I only have 5 npm modules!
[01:20] SubStack: dragging code off kicking and screaming from a big project onto npm is the best
[01:21] isaacs: SubStack: exactly, especially when that project IS npm :)
[01:21] SubStack: yep it's even better when npm does it
[01:21] isaacs: there's so much stuff in there
[01:22] jerrysv: options parser? i have a favorite
[01:22] isaacs: i have a full on glob parser that is in javascript, and node-glob is still crappy compiled crap
[01:22] SubStack: want
[01:23] jesusabdullah: I want jsdom to support more svg stuff so I can use node-raphael for my project
[01:23] CIA-110: node: 03Henry Rawas 07master * rdcf6955 10/ deps/v8/src/platform-win32.cc : 
[01:23] CIA-110: node: Fix V8 mingw32 build
[01:23] CIA-110: node: Reported to V8
[01:23] CIA-110: node: http://code.google.com/p/v8/issues/detail?id=1508 - http://bit.ly/n9391l
[01:23] jesusabdullah: It's that or use canvas
[01:23] isaacs: SubStack: https://github.com/isaacs/npm/blob/master/lib/utils/minimatch.js
[01:23] jesusabdullah: You should do it RIGHT NOW isaacs
[01:23] isaacs: hahaha
[01:23] isaacs: i need like a bajillion more tests
[01:24] isaacs: glob parsing is nothing but edge cases.
[01:25] jesusabdullah: DISREGARD TESTS PUBLISH TO NPM
[01:25] isaacs: hahah
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[01:25] jesusabdullah: That's how *I* roll!
[01:25] CIA-110: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r13a521e 10/ src/tcp_wrap.cc : 
[01:25] CIA-110: node: Fix off-by-one error in assertion.
[01:25] CIA-110: node: Fixes test/simple/test-http-buffer-sanity.js - http://bit.ly/pNuE8W
[01:25] isaacs: what i really want to do is match the same API that's in node-glob, but using minimatch insteda
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[01:26] isaacs: and then have npm depend on node-glob
[01:27] jesusabdullah: I see
[01:27] isaacs: jesusabdullah: are you in oakland now?
[01:27] jesusabdullah: I am!
[01:27] isaacs: w00t!  oakjs ftw!
[01:27] jesusabdullah: word
[01:27] jesusabdullah: XD
[01:27] jerrysv: isaacs: coming up for oscon?
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[01:27] jesusabdullah: I've actually been here for ~2 weeks
[01:28] jesusabdullah: since the 22nd
[01:28] isaacs: jerrysv: nah, i'm gonna stay in california
[01:28] isaacs: jesusabdullah: nice
[01:28] jesusabdullah: Liking it so far
[01:28] jerrysv: bah
[01:28] jesusabdullah: Things are a little crazy, but the good kind
[01:28] jesusabdullah: July 4th here was awesome
[01:28] SubStack: oak land is javascript city
[01:29] isaacs: yeah, i saw lots and lots of fireworks from my balcony
[01:29] isaacs: it was rad
[01:29] ryah: 
ACTION saw none

[01:29] ryah: stupid mission
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[01:30] SubStack: kids were running around handing out m80s to strangers in MY neighborhood
[01:30] jerrysv: we were having roman candle wars
[01:31] isaacs: SubStack: that's a little scary
[01:31] isaacs: ok, asl time.  have a good night.
[01:31] jerrysv: better than handing out guns?
[01:32] harth: jesusabdullah: I'm following you on twitter back now!
[01:32] tbranyen: asl time?
[01:32] tbranyen: don't really wanna know what that means
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[01:34] jesusabdullah: harth: Oh sweet
[01:34] jesusabdullah: I have to get ALL the twitter followers (that aren't spammers)
[01:35] SubStack: and github followers
[01:35] jesusabdullah: tbranyen: Maybe he's taking a class on American sign language
[01:35] jesusabdullah: Oh yeah, gotta have the github followers
[01:35] jesusabdullah: though I only have like 12 of those so
[01:35] SubStack: githits y u no update
[01:35] jesusabdullah: Maybe I'll get more when I have a jyob
[01:35] SubStack: jesusabdullah: unlikely!
[01:36] jesusabdullah: No, that's correct. I remember.
[01:36] SubStack: you want have time for awesome projects
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[01:36] jesusabdullah: Hell yeah I want time for awesome projects
[01:36] SubStack: from whence the github followers come
[01:36] SubStack: s/want/won't/
[01:36] jesusabdullah: D:
[01:36] tbranyen: depends on the job
[01:36] jesusabdullah: That's why I have to work for a company that open sources shit
[01:36] jesusabdullah: shit I like
[01:36] tbranyen: i have more time at my new job for stuff than my last
[01:37] jesusabdullah: Oh btw, looking4job, interested in backend, know node and python
[01:37] jesusabdullah: Spread the word
[01:37] jesusabdullah: ;)
[01:38] SubStack: backend pfft!
[01:38] SubStack: such an increasingly irrelevant dichoetmy!
[01:39] SubStack: *dichotomy
[01:39] jesusabdullah: SubStack: I only say backend because I don't really like designing web pages
[01:39] jesusabdullah: SO if you want me doing jquery but don't mind that I suck at css then we're good!
[01:39] jesusabdullah: \o/
[01:39] jesusabdullah: (I can learn css)
[01:40] SubStack: designing frontends is getting pretty awesome with browserify
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[01:40] jesusabdullah: tru dat
[01:40] SubStack: spinning off little libs <3 https://github.com/substack/node-progressify
[01:40] jesusabdullah: Oh, yeah, I dislike client-side sans-requires, it makes me :(
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[01:47] harth: SubStack: I think I'm going to end up making an entire color picker in node with browserify
[01:47] harth: one lib at a time
[01:48] SubStack: awesome!
[01:48] SubStack: like a widget?
[01:48] harth: yeah, something like that
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[01:50] SubStack: harth: I just recommend depending on browserify 1.2.x for that
[01:50] SubStack: since the internals might change up a bit between minor releases
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[01:51] jesusabdullah: A color picker? I'd like that
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[01:51] abraxas: Does anyone know when we can expect Webworker support in Node?
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[01:53] harth: SubStack: cool
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[01:55] SubStack: especially since I'm still figuring out how I want middleware to work
[01:55] SubStack: I like how it works in 1.2.x much more than previous releases at least
[01:56] iamanewb: Hello all - I have a question about tls/https.  If I follow the example in the documentation (http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.9/api/https.html), I have found that the server object also listens on port 80, while the HTTPS service listens on the port actually specified (e.g., 8000 in the example).  Is there a way to avoid this?
[01:57] iamanewb: It causes two problems.  1., I have to be root to listen on a low port (below 1024 I think), and 2. it conflicts with any existing http server that is already using port 80 (e.g., apache).
[01:57] Aria: Which example?
[01:58] iamanewb: The first one.
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[01:58] iamanewb: On that page that I linked to.
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[02:00] iamanewb: oops, you know what...it seems that it's socket.io causing the problem.
[02:01] iamanewb: I think I need to rethink this a bit.
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[02:06] iamanewb: Yeah, so if I create a socket.io object like so: "var io = require('socket.io').listen(server);", where server is created from an https.createServer() call as in the example mentioned above, it ends up doing something that opens on port 80.
[02:06] jerrysv: 
ACTION waits for the day for iamanewb to switch over to iamapro

[02:07] iamanewb: thanks...it'll probably never happen.  :)
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[02:07] jerrysv: iamanewb: so, instead: require('socket.io').listen(8000);
[02:07] iamanewb: Yeah, but I want an https connection, not http
[02:07] jesusabdullah: Pretty much no such thing as a true pro anyway imo
[02:07] jesusabdullah: go with <likeaboss> instead
[02:08] dleonardi: i usually just type "cornholio" and win
[02:08] iamanewb: jesusabdullah, agreed - there's always something new that I don't know anything about.
[02:08] jerrysv: ok, https on 8443, socket.io on 8000
[02:08] Melkor_: Any mongoose experts? How do I do a find with a json object and force it to do a contains search... ie find({name: /sam/})
[02:08] iamanewb: Ok...but I want socket.io to be on the https connection...
[02:09] jerrysv: i do not know if that is possible
[02:09] iamanewb: As-in, clients communicate to a socket.io listener via https.
[02:09] jerrysv: have you tried joining #socket.io ?
[02:09] iamanewb: haha, good idea
[02:09] iamanewb: I'll check there.
[02:09] jesusabdullah[LI: dangit
[02:10] jesabd[LIKE_A_BO: aww
[02:10] [LIKE_A_BOSS]: CLOSE ENOUGH
[02:10] jerrysv: ha
[02:10] [LIKE_A_BOSS]: 
ACTION 

[02:10] jerrysv: oh yeah, i have programming to do
[02:11] SubStack: [LIKE_A_BOSS]: cool nick bro
[02:11] SubStack: jerrysv: oh I do that sometimes
[02:11] jerrysv: substack: i try to at work, but work gets in the way
[02:11] jerrysv: so, i have to at home
[02:11] [LIKE_A_BOSS]: Thanks SubStack!
[02:11] [LIKE_A_BOSS]: 
ACTION 

[02:11] SubStack: thubstack
[02:11] jesusabdullah: That's right thubstack
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[02:13] iamanewb: Hmm...it's quite in #socket.io
[02:14] iamanewb: *quiet
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[02:22] chjj: iamanewb: you shouldnt think so low of yourself
[02:22] chjj: !
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[02:23] iamanewb: Well, supposedly socket.io is supposed to work with https...but I can't figure it out.
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[02:25] blueadept: anyone know the regex for getting a page title and description?
[02:25] tmzt: anybody get how to get a Promise from mongoose so I can add a handler for 'complete' ?
[02:25] blueadept: i dont think mongoose has promises 
[02:25] jesusabdullah: Why do you need a regexp? Shouldn't you use an html parser instead? :S
[02:26] blueadept: wasn't sure, you know a good one?
[02:26] blueadept: i guess i can search npms
[02:27] chjj: iamanewb: socket.io should work with an https server, what does your code look like?
[02:29] iamapro: Got it working
[02:29] iamapro: :)
[02:30] chjj: cool
[02:30] iamapro: First, I have to make sure the server does not listen before I connect the socket.io object to it.
[02:30] iamapro: If I tell the https object to listen first, then tell io to listen to the https after that, for some reason it wants to open a new listener on port 80.
[02:31] chjj: yeah socket.io does some tricky stuff with the server object
[02:31] iamapro: Maybe a bug...I don't know.
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[02:32] iamapro: thanks for the tips
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[02:40] blueadept: jesusabdullah: i think i found the perfect npm - https://github.com/silentrob/Apricot
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[02:42] jesusabdullah: blueadept: huh?
[02:42] jesusabdullah: Oh, right
[02:43] blueadept: its a parser
[02:43] blueadept: full featured, pretty awesome btw
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[02:44] jesusabdullah: Word
[02:45] jesusabdullah: I remember having promblems with it, but that was ages ago
[02:45] jesusabdullah: before npm got big iirc
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[03:11] creationix: ryah: you here?
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[03:22] Melkor_: Any mongoose experts awake? I'm stuck on a regex issue
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[03:27] Madonnaboy: Yo it's me, the boy from Detroit. Yeah, that's right -- I'm from the D and my cell's a 313. When I'm hangin in the hood,. my dad is working at an autoplant and my motto is that I only code in node.js. My code is larger than life -- handling 86,000 transactions a second.
[03:27] Madonnaboy: </node.js MC>
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[03:41] blkcat: can i have 'optional' locals in a jade view?
[03:41] blkcat: i'm trying to specify an optional title local but it's complaining whenever it isn't passed to the template
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[03:42] TooTallNate: blkcat: you can put the piece of jade that uses 'title' in an "if" statement
[03:42] blkcat: TooTallNate: i tried that, but it still gives me the error, haha :(
[03:43] TooTallNate: blkcat: gist you code if you want
[03:43] apejens: blkcat: - if (typeof(optional) != "undefined") h1= optional - else h1 No optional passed
[03:43] apejens: with proper indentation
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[03:48] Melkor_: In this mongoose example... how would i replace "john" with some variable?  MyModel.find({ name: /john/i }, ['name', 'friends'], function () { })
[03:48] blkcat: apejens: ouch, i kinda hoped the implementation would be cleaner than that
[03:48] Aria: Melkor_: new Regexp(... stuff ....)
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[03:49] Melkor_: is that something new to mongoose?
[03:49] creationix: tim_smart: ping
[03:49] Aria: No, it's a javascript regex.
[03:49] tim_smart: creationix: pong
[03:50] creationix: tim_smart: do you remember how to integrate other events loops with node
[03:50] creationix: I'm working on SDL bindings
[03:50] creationix: and I want a node friendly SDL event loop
[03:50] tim_smart: creationix: I talked to the author of libev
[03:51] creationix: hmm
[03:51] creationix: tim_smart: is there an irc room for that
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[03:51] tim_smart: creationix: He has his own server somewhere
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[03:53] qab: hello, whixh mysql lib should i use?
[03:53] creationix:  irc.schmorp.de
[03:53] creationix: doesn't seem to want to connect
[03:53] creationix: I guess I'll tear apart your ngtk code, how different can SDL's loop be
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[03:56] creationix: actually since sdl doesn't have it's own loop, maybe I'll just expose the polling functions and do a setinterval 0 in js
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[04:00] SubStack: oh neat, registration for nodeko opens on the 11th
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[04:01] apejens: blkcat: well, there might be, I did my first jade on thursday :p this worked, so I haven't looked for anything cleaner
[04:01] blkcat: apejens: guess i'll have a look at the source :)
[04:02] blkcat: apejens: thanks for the help though!
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[04:02] apejens: blkcat: np :) plase share if you ifnd a better solution :p
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[04:23] Nuck: Out of curiosity, do we have Scala beat at scalability?
[04:23] Aria: But scala is web scale.
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[04:25] mjijackson: How can you possibly beat Scala at "scala"bility?
[04:26] mjijackson: That's like being more awesome than Chuck Norris.
[04:27] CIA-110: node: 03koichik 07v0.4 * r87b6dc2 10/ (doc/api/fs.markdown doc/api/http.markdown): 
[04:27] CIA-110: node: Doc improvements
[04:27] CIA-110: node: moved 'continue' event from http.Agent to http.ClientRequest.
[04:27] CIA-110: node: added 'close' event to http.ClientResponse.
[04:27] CIA-110: node: added 'open' event to fs.ReadStream.
[04:27] CIA-110: node: Fixes #1169. - http://bit.ly/mQDKZy
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[04:46] apejens: Nuck: doesn't that depend a whole lot on what you write, how you write it and what measures you take to make it scalable?
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[04:51] niftylettuce: 
ACTION testing 123

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[05:24] Nuck: Tj's view thingy, Caustic, looks pretty sweet.  The fact that it'd deal with the boilerplate for you sounds fucking epic.
[05:25] Nuck: Once again, tj has invented something that seems naught but natural.
[05:25] SubStack: it does look pretty nifty
[05:26] SubStack: meanwhile I've been rendering jade templates in the browser, everything is backwards!
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[05:28] blueadept: anyone know where i can get node version 0.4.9 ?
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[05:29] deoxxa: is there a commonly used library for encoding/decoding html entities? if so, what is it?
[05:29] blueadept: n/m
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[05:36] SubStack: deoxxa: ent!
[05:36] SubStack: http://github.com/substack/node-ent
[05:37] Nuck: SubStack: Shameless self-promotion FTW :P
[05:37] Skola: how do I get rid of my node 4.8 installation?
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[05:37] Aria: Install over it?
[05:37] Skola: .48*
[05:37] Skola: ok
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[05:38] SubStack: hah now there is another entities module, JS-Entities
[05:38] SubStack: when I wrote ent there wasn't anything
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[05:39] SubStack: deoxxa: in the interests of completeness, see also https://github.com/bmeck/jsentities
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[05:41] te-brian: I need to get over the fact that my first node site is gonna be programmed terribly and just start doing it lolz
[05:42] blueadept: ah back to 0.4.9
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[05:42] blueadept: so stable
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[05:43] SubStack: te-brian: oh man I still write terrible stuff the first few iterations and I've been building node stuff for over a year >_<
[05:44] te-brian: SubStack: I have so many questions.. but you can only watch so many videos and read so many blogs :)
[05:44] blueadept: oh substack
[05:44] blueadept: i was just looking at your code today
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[05:44] SubStack: >_>
[05:44] SubStack: hopefully the good stuff!
[05:44] blueadept: was going to use it in tandem with a parser
[05:44] blueadept: but i dont think i'll have to to now
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[05:45] te-brian: SubStack: The funny thing is the tricky stuff that doesn't scare me.. its simple stuff like how am I gonna organize all those routes.. and how can I have dynamically generated menus and such... though I prob should shed the CMS mentality for a while.
[05:45] Jakwac: Anyone know how to display a list of all the routes defined in journy?
[05:46] te-brian: SubStack: Gotta say.. websockets are hot.. so fast
[05:46] deoxxa: SubStack: thanks! i'll take a look-see at both of them
[05:46] blueadept: te-brian: have you used nowjs?
[05:46] SubStack: te-brian: dnode can help with the routing problems
[05:46] SubStack: also that
[05:46] SubStack: whichever library best fits your mental model
[05:46] te-brian: I'm barely past HelloWorld at this point...   
[05:47] te-brian: First experiement: http://brianthomaslink.com:3000/
[05:47] blueadept: i just started with nowjs from a link
[05:47] blueadept: i never knew about dnode until way after
[05:47] blueadept: but no i'm so into nowjs
[05:47] darshanshankar: what do you like about nowjs?
[05:47] darshanshankar: jw
[05:47] blueadept: accessing remove functions
[05:47] blueadept: remote*
[05:48] blueadept: i've been mostly mixing it in with my jquery code to produce onscreen updates with live form information
[05:48] te-brian: My big 'aha' moment that I was building a server.. not a page .. was when I realized a simple variable can be sorta used as poor-mans memcache lol... store stuff between requests
[05:48] darshanshankar: right, cool
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[05:49] darshanshankar: i was just wondering what specific things in nowjs people like, and what they're building with it
[05:49] blueadept: i'm going to be implementing it again here for notifications
[05:49] blueadept: probably next week if i get time
[05:49] SubStack: te-brian: yep you can cheap state for very little effort if you need it
[05:49] darshanshankar: yeah i met a guy building notifications and analytics platform with nowjs
[05:51] te-brian: ahh.. nowjs sounds a lot like the ctools library for Drupal... abstraction of ajax requests
[05:51] darshanshankar: its more than an abstraction of ajax
[05:51] darshanshankar: brb COFFEE
[05:53] SubStack: 0xc0ffee
[05:53] SubStack: I could do with another round
[05:53] SubStack: need to whip testling into shape
[05:55] te-brian: Are there any de-facto TDD suites?  What are most people using?
[05:56] SubStack: why TDD?
[05:56] Aria: vows and expresso are common
[05:56] SubStack: and nodeunit
[05:57] SubStack: right, adding watches into fileify
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[05:59] seawise: my google+ account https://plus.google.com/
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[06:00] Aria: That's all of plus.
[06:00] seawise: https://plus.google.com/112297193817306844951
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[06:07] Croms: Does anyone know how you can set multiple cookies in one header response?
[06:07] SubStack: Croms: response.setHeader("Set-Cookie", ["type=ninja", "language=javascript"]);
[06:08] SubStack: from http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.9/api/all.html#response.setHeader
[06:08] Croms: Thanks again, mate.
[06:08] SubStack: ^_^
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[06:15] Croms: Cool, array notation works with response.writeHead() too.
[06:18] te-brian: I like how vows reads.... 
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[06:42] dexter_e: I rebuilt the same simple application in Ruby and Node and ran them both on seperate clean Ubuntu 10.10
[06:43] dexter_e: The performance gap is so wide that I almost feel like Apache Bench is lying to me. 
[06:43] llrcombs: :D
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[06:44] dexter_e: In a 10 second 10 concurent connect Test The ruby stack returns 26 requests  while node returns 296  
[06:44] llrcombs: :D
[06:45] dexter_e: Could this be right?
[06:45] llrcombs: :D
[06:45] systemfault: Sure it's right.
[06:45] llrcombs: :D
[06:45] systemfault: Ruby interpreters are slow as f...
[06:45] llrcombs: :D
[06:45] dexter_e: The ruby stack has 4 failed requests and node has ... 0
[06:45] llrcombs: :D
[06:45] systemfault: :D
[06:46] jesusabdullah: ^__^
[06:47] dexter_e: Either Apache Bench is lying to me  OR  Node is just eating the other stack for breakfast
[06:48] systemfault: V8 is a beast
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[06:48] dexter_e: I can't believe it
[06:49] dexter_e: I really am going back to Apache Bench manuals to confirm all this stuff cause Its not belieavable
[06:49] dexter_e: According to these tests its at least 800% faster with 0 Failures. 
[06:50] dexter_e: It doesn't even spike the memory on the machine ?!??  What the hell
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[06:51] dexter_e: It just did this without even blinkiing
[06:51] dexter_e: The ruby stack ate all the memory
[06:53] killjoy: anyone know how I can request.pipe() an http response to memory instead of to a file?
[06:54] killjoy: this works:
[06:54] killjoy: var imgRequest = request( {uri:'https://google.com/logo.png'} ); imgRequest.pipe(fs.createWriteStream('google_logo.png'));
[06:54] killjoy: this doesn't work:
[06:54] killjoy: var imgRequest = request( {uri:'https://google.com/logo.png'} ); var imgBuffer; imgRequest.pipe(imgBuffer);
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[07:07] dexter_e: With concurrency at 30        RubyStack starts Bustin InternalServ500 errors failed requests: 7.   Node failed request: 0. 
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[07:10] dexter_e: Looks like Node's friendly Javascript face does a nice job helping it hide its massive hairy balls. 
[07:11] jesusabdullah: Huh?
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[07:11] jesusabdullah: haha
[07:11] jesusabdullah: Twisted and EM, on the other hand, swing their balls freely
[07:11] jesusabdullah: You desparately want them put away, but no
[07:12] dexter_e: HFAHFHAAHAHAF
[07:12] jesusabdullah: no boxer shorts will keep them secure
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[07:12] dexter_e: Have you benched Twisted against Node ?
[07:12] jesusabdullah: I haven't
[07:12] jesusabdullah: I don't have that much experience with Twisted
[07:12] jesusabdullah: but I *can* tell you that it's a pain in the ass
[07:12] jesusabdullah: (my opinion anyway)
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[07:16] dexter_e: I imagine that those results would be more in tune with what node is capable of.
[07:17] jesusabdullah: I do think *someone* has benched twisted against node
[07:17] jesusabdullah: I don't remember who or where to look
[07:17] jesusabdullah: iirc, node typically outperformed twisted
[07:17] jesusabdullah: but sometimes it's hard to tell y'know?
[07:17] jesusabdullah: Tough to measure that stuff
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[07:18] dexter_e: yeah especially if the OS and supporting modules are different
[07:18] jesusabdullah: yeah
[07:18] dexter_e: In my case its two mirror image Ubuntu 10.10 boxes with 384MB ram
[07:18] SubStack: node is great because it's so easy to write libraries
[07:19] SubStack: you don't have to worry about reactors or synchronization or deferreds
[07:19] jesusabdullah: indeed.
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[07:39] AvianFlu: jesusabdullah; substack; hackhaus; the morrow
[07:39] AvianFlu: et al; et cetera
[07:39] jesusabdullah: AvianFlu: I'm down. Any time in mind, in particular?
[07:39] SubStack: k
[07:39] AvianFlu: after marak wakes up?
[07:39] jesusabdullah: Haha, okay
[07:39] AvianFlu: I dunno, afternoon
[07:40] jesusabdullah: Sounds good
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[07:40] SubStack: I'll bring my bike again. I want to do more exploring to the south
[07:41] jesusabdullah: If I had >1 gear I'd definitely bring my bike
[07:41] jesusabdullah: since I don't really like the bus much
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[07:41] AvianFlu: lol
[07:42] jesusabdullah: Yeah, I broke my derailer so...
[07:42] jesusabdullah: I can do relatively flat terrain okay
[07:42] AvianFlu: P.S. marak got a connect
[07:42] jesusabdullah: even though I complain constently
[07:42] jesusabdullah: a connect?
[07:42] AvianFlu: sorry
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[07:42] AvianFlu: I'm drunk
[07:42] jesusabdullah: ah
[07:42] jesusabdullah: Oh
[07:42] AvianFlu: a Kinect
[07:42] jesusabdullah: kinect
[07:42] jesusabdullah: Sweet
[07:42] jesusabdullah: XD
[07:42] AvianFlu: a dollar to the first guy to hack it
[07:43] AvianFlu: I'd offer more, but it's us XD
[07:43] jesusabdullah: XD
[07:43] te-brian: SubStack: Thanks for the pointer to vows... whipped up a Person class and some tests and I kinda like the style... Seems like expresso is more favored with the 'hard-core' plues it has coverage??
[07:43] te-brian: SubStack: Actually used should.js with it for the syntax readability
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[07:46] SubStack: te-brian: oh that wasn't me, expresso is more my style
[07:46] te-brian: SubStack: Ahh.. yeah I plan to check that out in the monring
[07:46] te-brian: SubStack: Figured I try a test with both
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[07:49] wao: hello, with what tool do you debug client javascript?
[07:49] darshanshankar: chrome web inspector :P
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[07:50] jesusabdullah: wao: Honestly? What darshanshankar said.
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[07:51] jesusabdullah: wao: reasonable client-side testing is coming soon too...look at https://github.com/substack/testling in a few weeks.
[07:53] darshanshankar: jesusabdullah: are you going to be showing off testling at any meetups soon?
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[07:53] darshanshankar: i missed the recent one where SubStack talked about testling
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[07:54] jesusabdullah: SubStack: Are you gonna be demoing testling again anytime in the scheduled future?
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[07:55] jesusabdullah: darshanshankar: I'm actually supposed to be hitting the hay. Also, I have little to do with testling---I just watched
[07:55] jesusabdullah: (It was fun to watch though!)
[07:55] darshanshankar: cool
[07:56] wao: damn, chrome web inspector made crash my tab, something is wrong
[07:56] SubStack:  jesusabdullah once it's actually ready for people to use
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[07:57] SubStack: darshanshankar: in the meantime you can look at http://71.198.76.38:8082/testling
[07:57] xerox: is there such a thing as good dark theme for chrome
[07:58] SubStack: erm
[07:58] SubStack: yes that's the one
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[08:10] CIA-110: node: 03koichik 07v0.4 * r7e8735b 10/ doc/api/fs.markdown : 
[08:10] CIA-110: node: Doc improvements. Explained the flags of fs.open().
[08:10] CIA-110: node: Fixes #1268. - http://bit.ly/oPcDFY
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[08:44] rfrancisco: anyone knows the release date for the o'relley node.js book?
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[09:13] Andreas: wink_: thank you for you help about UDP multicast I ended up creating a littel UDP module there do the trick, thought you might be interested in it: https://github.com/AndreasMadsen/nodetalk
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[09:38] nickhac: Ahoi oi
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[09:41] nickhac: Guys wondering if anyone can help, im a noob and getting an issue that is widely reported using JSDOM - https://github.com/tmpvar/jsdom/issues/195
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[09:42] nickhac: "TypeError: Cannot call method 'runInContext' of undefined"
[09:42] nickhac: one proposed anser is "use master"
[09:42] nickhac: how do i actually do that?
[09:43] nickhac: or does anyone else have tips for parsing and extracting text values from HTML content
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[09:48] nickhac: yo
[09:48] nickhac: any JSDOM wizards up
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[09:49] vandenoever: 
ACTION is looking something like google wave for node.js, is there a collaborative editor that works with it?

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[10:00] andrerom: will master be updated to a recent v8 version? Seems like it has been a stable branch for the last 6 months..
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[10:15] guidocalvano: vandenoever: http://groups.google.com/group/ace-discuss/browse_thread/thread/b7e8510312b5c61d?pli=1
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[10:16] vandenoever: guidocalvano: thanks!
[10:17] jetienne_: vandenoever: hi good to see you here
[10:17] vandenoever: jetienne_: :-)
[10:17] guidocalvano: vandenoever: this guy was working on such stuff too https://github.com/Deltachaos
[10:18] guidocalvano: just message him
[10:18] guidocalvano: he had something looking pretty complete
[10:20] guidocalvano: and cloud9 will add it soon according to this article; http://cloud9ide.posterous.com/44686531
[10:20] guidocalvano: cloud9 is open source so you can probably get the module from it
[10:21] guidocalvano: by the way, I may know a relative of your vandenoever
[10:21] vandenoever: guidocalvano: ah, interesting, it's on my readling list
[10:21] guidocalvano: his name is Niels
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[10:21] guidocalvano: are you dutch?
[10:21] vandenoever: guidocalvano: sorry, no niels in my family
[10:21] vandenoever: guidocalvano: i am
[10:22] guidocalvano: ik ook (:
[10:22] vandenoever: guidocalvano: i'm looking into simple ideas for adding collaborative editing to webodf
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[10:23] guidocalvano: well collaborative editing either isn't simpel, or you need to allow some operations not arriving
[10:23] guidocalvano: it has to do with client and server not having all the data at the same time
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[10:24] vandenoever: guidocalvano: i know it's not simple, so i'm looking at many options to find something i can reuse
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[10:24] guidocalvano: I think the core of the complexity is the synchronization
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[10:25] vandenoever: guidocalvano: yes
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[10:26] guidocalvano: so; suppose two people are editing the same line, what do you do?
[10:27] guidocalvano: if it abstracts that away well, then you've got a good framework
[10:27] vandenoever: guidocalvano: let the collaborative editing library solve it ;-)
[10:28] igl1: there must be multiple universes representing each edit done to that line
[10:28] guidocalvano: be willing to compromise, or prepared to wait
[10:28] guidocalvano: what do you want to do with it?
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[10:28] guidocalvano: though deltachaos his version looked good by the way
[10:29] guidocalvano: the compromise wasn't that visible
[10:31] guidocalvano: i didn't notice
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[10:31] guidocalvano_: the problem is synchronization
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[10:32] guidocalvano_: what if I add something to a line that someone else júst happened to delete 
[10:32] guidocalvano_: where does it go?
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[10:32] guidocalvano_: that sort of problems
[10:34] guidocalvano_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operational_transform
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[11:13] zilch: anybody aware of accessing google document list API wiht node.js
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[11:16] saschagehlich: `3rdEden: hey
[11:16] `3rdEden: Hello sir
[11:17] saschagehlich: you have some frontend js experiences, right?
[11:17] Artem_S: Hi all, just trying to compare Node.js vs Apache when serving static files. So far I haven't had much luck - node seems to be slower :( http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6634299/node-js-slower-than-apache
[11:17] `3rdEden: saschagehlich yup
[11:17] Artem_S: Am I doing it wrong?
[11:17] saschagehlich: `3rdEden: http://jsfiddle.net/sgehlich/PSAWG/1/ <-- ever experienced something like that?
[11:17] saschagehlich: (only in chrome)
[11:18] saschagehlich: Artem_S: how large is that file?
[11:19] `3rdEden: saschagehlich isn't jquery already using the request animation frame thing?
[11:19] saschagehlich: `3rdEden: wh...what?
[11:19] `3rdEden: which lowers the timeout when the page is idle
[11:19] `3rdEden: http://paulirish.com/2011/requestanimationframe-for-smart-animating/
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[11:21] saschagehlich: `3rdEden: never heard of it :/ the strange thing is: it works with 1.5.2
[11:22] `3rdEden: saschagehlich odd
[11:22] `3rdEden: saschagehlich if it's not the requestanimationframe thing, I would have no clue
[11:22] saschagehlich: looks like john fixed this in 1.5
[11:22] saschagehlich: http://bugs.jquery.com/ticket/8101
[11:22] `3rdEden: saschagehlich
[11:23] `3rdEden: it langed
[11:23] `3rdEden: Yes, that one
[11:23] `3rdEden: :p
[11:23] saschagehlich: :D
[11:23] saschagehlich: but looks like it's broken again in 1.6
[11:23] saschagehlich: so I'll just use 1.5 I guess..
[11:25] drudge: where is wink_ when you need him
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[11:40] ktos: Hello
[11:40] ktos: Tell me please, when node will be ported to Windows, will it be using jscript and have bindings for .net ?
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[11:44] corleone: hey, need some help, nobie to node where to get node-waf
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[11:46] Yoric: ktos: that sounds quite unlikely.
[11:46] Yoric: (I mean, Jscript)
[11:47] dexter_e: Can anyone explain the effect of putting parens() around your whole page of code?    Like backbone does... http://arturadib.com/hello-backbonejs/docs/1.html
[11:47] Yoric: At a hunch, I'd say that some bindings for .Net will appear eventually, but probably not in the first version.
[11:47] Yoric: dexter_e: it's not the parens
[11:47] Yoric: Take a look at the last line of that extract.
[11:48] zilch: sorry I wasn't around for much of the time on the channel ... I want to humbly ask if Joyent a MS company ?
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[11:48] Yoric: It's   (someFunctionDefinition)(args)   .
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[11:49] dexter_e: Wow I'm not even sure what...  someFunctionDefinition)(args)  does
[11:49] Yoric: zilch: I don't think it is.
[11:49] Yoric: dexter_e: well, it defines a function and it calls it immediately.
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[11:49] dexter_e: whoa
[11:50] Yoric: dexter_e: most of the point of this is to make sure that any variable that you don't want to show to the rest of the universe can be hidden inside the definition of the function.
[11:50] corleone: hey, need some help, nobie to node where to get node-waf
[11:50] adrianmg1: anyone worked with hcard / vcard microformats?
[11:51] Yoric: zilch: I just think that Microsoft is paying Joyent to port and support "Node.exe"
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[11:52] Yoric: (or, equivalently, to have Joyent provide support for Windows stuff, which iirc isn't the case yet)
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[11:52] dexter_e:   (function($){   /*AppPartsHere*/  })(jQuery);    
[11:53] dexter_e: Why passing $ and jQuery ?
[11:54] dexter_e: So its instantly defining and calling function($)
[11:54] Yoric: dexter_e: there are two reasons.
[11:55] Yoric: The first reason to use a function is to ensure that you don't pollute the global scope with local variables.
[11:56] Yoric: Let me check that I am not saying anything stupid about the second reason :)
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[11:58] Yoric: As I suspected, the reason for which [jQuery] is renamed to [$] in this function call is pretty much for concision.
[11:59] dexter_e: at the top level it looks like  (function(){})()   ...
[11:59] Yoric: (and because that's how jQuery tutorials do this kind of stuff)
[11:59] Yoric: dexter_e: yeah, that would work, too
[12:00] dexter_e: so the first set of parens declares the function and instantly calls it with the second set of parents as the parameter?
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[12:04] dexter_e: So will this make an alert?  (function(){ alert("function called") })
[12:05] dexter_e: oops:  (function(){ alert("function called") })();
[12:05] dexter_e: Thats trippy
[12:06] dexter_e: ( function(){ alert("yo") } )();    
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[12:07] delian66: zilch
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[12:12] txxt: hi. as a started in nodeJS having some troubles to handle the event driven properly :P right now I have this code http://pastebin.com/Zdix8XiB that works perfectly, and this one http://pastebin.com/JFE8EaRs that in theory is equivalent (an more readble) but seems to break when doing the response.write(imageContent); Could anyone around give me an hint on this ? thanks ! 
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[12:13] dexter_e: Actually I think the $ in this case:   (function($){ /*AppPartsHere*/ })(jQuery);   is the incoming parameter to represent jQuery right?
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[12:15] dexter_e: so its actually:    (function(s){ alert(s) })('yo');  
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[12:19] mnbvasd: is there anyone around who knows about udp in node?
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[12:20] mnbvasd: - I seem incapable of sending udp packets which don't have bad checksums, and also I don't seem to receive empty packets.
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[12:34] k0ral: hi, which module would you recommend for using a couchdb database ?
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[13:10] zilch: i have node.js scropt which runs every midnight and takes some stats ( stores it in file as new line, everyday) and sends the file as attachment ...
[13:11] zilch: I think I should be using google docs api to directly store the report on google spreadsheet ... 
[13:11] zilch: is there any such other service ?
[13:11] zilch: I couldn't found any node module to do that
[13:11] zilch: yet
[13:11] Aria: "a something for your script to connect to and store data"? 
[13:11] Aria: Or specifically google docs?
[13:12] zilch: Aria, yup a store dat .. which is easy for everybody to view
[13:12] zilch: Aria, what came to my mind is google doc ... but anythin else is fine...
[13:12] Aria: 
ACTION nods.

[13:13] Aria: I mean, the relatively normal way to do that is to make a little script that reads the database, then throw things in a database. Be it MySQL or Mongodb.
[13:13] zilch: basicallt it is a daily report .. a document gets a new line everyday
[13:13] Aria: But Google Docs isn't a bad hack for that either.
[13:14] zilch: yeah ... I am using mongodb, but then then there is no view to that data !!! the report are for managers !! can't accept then to start mongo console
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[13:15] zilch: in mongodb or mysql .. it is just data, no readymade .. web based view
[13:15] zilch: and since it is report having it in spreadsheet like format is something that makes sense
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[13:19] zilch: https://github.com/EastCloud/node-spreadsheets
[13:19] zilch: https://github.com/publicclass/spreadsheet
[13:19] Aria: Spiffy.
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[13:25] txxt: sorry for repeating, but as a started in nodeJS having some troubles to handle the event driven properly :P right now I have this code http://pastebin.com/Zdix8XiB that works perfectly, and this one http://pastebin.com/JFE8EaRs that in theory is equivalent (an more readble) but seems to break when doing the response.write(imageContent); Could anyone around give me an hint on this ? thanks ! 
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[13:29] mega`: so your returning values from your functions even tho there using async api's and theres no data to return
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[13:30] txxt: mega`: ok get the point. but then it is no possible to solve it in the way i was trying to stucturate the code ? 
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[13:31] txxt: or use readSync could be an option ?
[13:31] txxt: readFileSync, i ment
[13:31] txxt: *ment/meant
[13:31] mega`: if you are using sync in http responses your kinda missing the point of node
[13:32] mega`: the point is to not wait for the file
[13:32] mega`: and use a callback for when the file is done
[13:33] txxt: right, that is the point i don't want to miss. just wanted to keep the code more readable 
[13:33] mega`: if you dont whant to have nested functions then your gonna have to make it statefull
[13:33] txxt: could always only callback the initial callback once the readFile callback is done, i guess.
[13:33] mega`: and for that you shuld use a object
[13:34] txxt: mega`: do you know any example of that way to code ? 
[13:34] mega`: i can make some give me a sec
[13:34] txxt: thanks
[13:34] zilch: Aria, which spiffy exactly ?
[13:35] zilch: or you just appreciated the modules ?
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[13:40] Aria: I just appreciated the modules.
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[13:42] txxt: mega`: also have another question, why the previous function fs.stat() worked with that "wrong return way" if it is also asynchronous ? 
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[13:46] mega`: txxt: do you mean in the first code example ??? there you are using it async
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[13:47] txxt: mega`: no, in the second. the first is totatlly async and works perfetly.
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[13:49] mega`: how do you know if it worked
[13:49] mega`: you loging it async anny way
[13:50] mega`: i tried the function in the repl it dosent return anny thing
[13:50] txxt: in the repl ? 
[13:51] mega`: if you type node in the console you get a read eval print loop
[13:51] mega`: and you can try code
[13:51] txxt: why u say i am logging it in a async way ? i only trace to console.log when the callback is called. 
[13:51] txxt: mega`: ah thanks. didn't know that yet ;)
[13:53] mega`: yea but your returning before that so even if the console is logging the file size dosent mean that the function returned the file size
[13:53] txxt: mega`: ok, got it know, thanks for the explanation once more.
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[13:54] txxt: mega`: would you mind to show me a piece of code, like u said using an object, to avoid nested funtions and keep all async
[13:54] mega`: yea sec
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[13:56] mega`: http://pastebin.com/1Xq6bKmi
[13:56] mega`: needed to download a pic to test it with :D
[13:57] txxt: mega`: lol :P sorry for the problem ;) checkin the code now, thanks
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[13:57] txxt: Pastebin.com is under heavy load right now :'(
[13:57] txxt: ahaha
[13:57] mega`: :S
[13:58] txxt: hopefully a few refresh will allow me to open it
[13:58] txxt: ok opened. now checking
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[13:59] txxt: mega`: wow, nice example to hanle it that way!
[13:59] mega`: this is not how i whuld write it btw :D i like nesting away :D
[13:59] txxt: *handle
[13:59] txxt: mega`: yes, that would be my last question,  i guess 99% percent of the community likes and uses nested functions ? 
[14:00] Aria: Somewhat nested, not too deep.
[14:00] txxt: :P 
[14:00] mega`: rigth
[14:00] Aria: If you're going too deep, you're not making your own events and decoupling your code.
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[14:01] txxt: if the levels start to get to deep, you start using objects has funtions returns to previous functions ? 
[14:01] txxt: Aria: ok good definition ;)
[14:01] mega`: you can always refractor nested functions
[14:02] txxt: meaning ? to another class file ?
[14:02] mega`: using function that return functions
[14:02] txxt: right
[14:02] mega`: theres no class files :D
[14:02] txxt: ups :| my bad
[14:02] txxt: started today
[14:02] txxt:  ;9
[14:02] txxt: with nodejs
[14:02] tuhoojabotti: Is there a nice helper for doing [1,3,[6,7],5] -> [1,3,6,7,5]?
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[14:03] mega`: flatten
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[14:03] tuhoojabotti: Is it builtin in nodE?
[14:03] txxt: ok, thanks once more mega` and Aria . nodejs look pretty cool btw ;)
[14:04] mega`: no i think underscore has it
[14:04] mega`: but i havent used it in node
[14:04] mega`: http://documentcloud.github.com/underscore/#flatten
[14:05] tuhoojabotti: I found a short snippet :P
[14:05] mega`: npm install underscore worked
[14:05] mega`: and the functions and a lott of other functions are in there
[14:06] tuhoojabotti: Ye I know.
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[14:12] pigmej: hmm
[14:12] pigmej: how can I remove all 'stupid' colors
[14:13] pigmej: from many many usefull commandline modulse?
[14:13] pigmej: modules*
[14:13] pigmej: it seems hardcoded... 
[14:13] pigmej: like
[14:13] pigmej: sys.puts('> ' + (method + ' ' + path).grey);
[14:13] pigmej: sadly that gray == 'my terminal background'
[14:14] mega`: maybe you can overide what grey means :D
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[14:14] mega`: like updating the prototype of string or how thats implemented
[14:15] pigmej: mega`: in 'all' modules..
[14:15] pigmej: I wonder who invented that 'gray' thing
[14:15] pigmej: and other hardcoded colors
[14:16] pigmej: in eyes module I can remove those by using styles....
[14:16] pigmej: in ONE place
[14:17] mega`: if there all using the same method for colors then updating the prototype for string (if thats how the did it) shuld be enuf to overide all modules coloring
[14:17] pigmej: I seriously wonder who 'invented' it..
[14:18] pigmej: completelly useless thing
[14:18] pigmej: that SHOULD be optional
[14:18] pigmej: what with terminals that doesn't support colors ?
[14:18] pigmej: even worse problem there
[14:18] Aria: m
[14:19] Aria: Maybe not. Those terminals would ignore it.
[14:19] mega`: you can probebly turn of colors in your console
[14:19] Aria: But I'm with you on this: I often use light-background terminals. The people who use 'white' rather than 'normal' bug me to no end.
[14:19] pigmej: I can understand that colors for 'end user applications'
[14:20] pigmej: but well... why the hell a developer modules are using it ?
[14:20] pigmej: I don't see the point of it ;/
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[14:24] Ramkumar: Hi, I am facing a 120 sec pause when doing some performance test of a screen scraping application https://groups.google.com/d/topic/nodejs/xI4pkm_Rd28/discussion 
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[14:47] blup: how do i call a parent's method from within a class declaration 'class snake extends animal'? (coffeescript)
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[14:48] jetienne_: Ramkumar: considere it is from the network ? aka the data you are scapping ?
[14:49] jetienne_: Ramkumar: aka copy the page locally, and launch your scrapper 
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[14:49] jetienne_: avoid any network. dont forget dns
[14:50] jetienne_: if you need them put in in /etc/host
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[14:59] jetienne_: dont message me
[14:59] jetienne_: talk on the channel Ramkumar
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[15:00] Ramkumar: Local scraping works fine. Could be some issue with the socket connection pooling within node as it has 120 sec timeout setting?
[15:01] jetienne_: it isnt a matter of node
[15:01] jetienne_: this is a matter of network timing
[15:01] jetienne_: any language will show those timing. monitor your dns
[15:01] jetienne_: or the site you are scrapping
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[15:01] Ramkumar: we did decent number of tests to rule out the Server whose page we are scrapping
[15:02] Ramkumar: e,g, we accessed the site from the browser when Node had paused for 120 sec and it was all fine... we checked the logs etc
[15:03] jetienne_: a way to work around those timers would be to run many scrapper at the same time
[15:04] Ramkumar: yes, but 200 connections should be a breeze for Node... the machine is decent server class 
[15:04] jetienne_: hehe
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[15:04] jetienne_: Ramkumar: you dont believe me when i tell you it isnt node :)
[15:04] kcbanner: Anyone familiar with node-csv-parser? I"m having a really hard time getting it to append a single line to the end of the file.
[15:05] jetienne_: Ramkumar: it is your network. fix it or workaround it
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[15:05] Ramkumar: No, i would like to believe you. 
[15:05] jetienne_: Ramkumar: find the one who blacklist you
[15:05] tuhoojabotti: Hihi
[15:05] tuhoojabotti: My Node game server is working
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[15:20] malkomalko: anybody use rackspace for their node.js hosting?
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[15:35] butu5: malkomalko: I m using for a simple stuff
[15:35] butu5: any specific question?
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[15:36] malkomalko: I'm just doing research right now to try to decide where I want to host my production app
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[15:36] malkomalko: using webbynode right now, but I'm looking for something is a little more secure as far as failover and backups...... rackspace cloud servers looked interesting
[15:37] butu5: though I am using rackspace cloud servers.. I am not very much into heavy load apps
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[15:40] malkomalko: no worries
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[15:42] postwait: anyone know which of these I should be using? https://github.com/egorich239/node-compress/network/members
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[15:52] Aikar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yansdoVwdgI&feature=player_embedded
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[16:02] kadiks: hi
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[16:03] fille: hello 
[16:03] kadiks: when I do "throw 'error msg'" I receive : throw e; // process.nextTick error, or 'error' event on first tick
[16:03] kadiks: is anyone know why this line is added to my real error message ?
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[16:07] jetienne_: kadiks: this is becquse the exception isnt trapped
[16:07] kadiks: which means ?
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[16:08] inimino: kadiks ⋱ It's because it happened on the first tick, i.e. not from a callback.
[16:09] kadiks: so I can't throw a basic exception ? O_o
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[16:10] inimino: kadiks ⋱ What?
[16:10] kadiks: do you mean it has to go in a try-catch ?
[16:11] inimino: You are throwing an exception, and you're getting a stack trace.
[16:12] inimino: I'm confused, what is it that you would expect to happen?
[16:13] kadiks: like a console.log I guess
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[16:14] inimino: OK, that's not what exceptions are.
[16:14] kadiks: sorry I am just trying to do like real developers :-p. But I have no idea how to properly use that.
[16:14] inimino: If you want console.log, use console.log or sys.inspect or whatever it's called.
[16:14] kadiks: I thought it was stopping the script and give me the error
[16:14] inimino: Throwing an exception means that you've encountered an exceptional case and you need to halt.
[16:15] kadiks: yes, so I should "handle" this exception ?
[16:15] inimino: Logging means that you just want to see something on the console and continue to run.
[16:15] inimino: It doesn't sound like you should be throwing an exception at all.
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[16:16] kadiks: in that case I don't have find the location of my config file, in this case I can't run my application at all, so I decided to throw an error which stops the script
[16:16] kadiks: this is not the kind of use for throwing exception ?
[16:17] inimino: That's a case where you should throw an exception.
[16:17] inimino: But in that case what you see is what you will get.
[16:18] inimino: If you want a friendly error message instead, then do something like "printFriendlyErrorMessageAboutConfigFile(); process.exit(2)"
[16:18] kadiks: but it seems like I have another error when thowing the error
[16:19] kadiks: if that the way it works, it's ok, it looks weird
[16:19] kadiks: thanks :-)
[16:19] inimino: np
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[16:54] deoxxa: inimino: the text your irc client inserts after a nick made me wipe my screen
[16:54] deoxxa: ...twice
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[16:56] inimino: deoxxa: I'm sorry about that, maybe you need a better IRC client.
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[16:56] deoxxa: no i mean, physically
[16:56] deoxxa: haha
[16:56] inimino: Oh :-)
[16:56] deoxxa: i thought it was a smudge or something
[16:57] inimino: Microscopic ants.
[16:57] deoxxa: might have something to do with it being 3AM here :P
[16:57] inimino: deoxxa ⋱ Actually they are nanites.  You will be assimilated into the inimino hive mind.
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[16:58] deoxxa: well, no use resisting i suppose
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[17:04] deoxxa: so i've recently had to develop some web scraping tools, node has fit exceptionally well!
[17:05] deoxxa: with it, i've managed to write a layer for some common architecture at work to communicate with a bunch of horribly broken IE6-era websites with no official APIs
[17:05] deoxxa: and it's been as painless as conceptually possible
[17:05] deoxxa: pretty happy about that :D
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[17:08] b_erb: is there a performance difference between setInterval() and setTimeout() that registers a new setTimeou() in the callback?
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[17:12] deoxxa: b_erb: setTimeout in the callback would mean that the callback would be called every (time callback takes to run) + x ms
[17:12] deoxxa: setInterval means the callback is run every x ms regardless of how long the callback itself takes
[17:13] tuhoojabotti: Wait was it so that comparing to simple objects failed?
[17:13] tuhoojabotti: Do I need assert deepequal?
[17:13] tuhoojabotti: :D
[17:13] tuhoojabotti: like if I compare 2 socket peer objects
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[17:13] fille: hi tuhoojabotti :D
[17:13] tuhoojabotti: Ah damn forget it.
[17:13] tuhoojabotti: :D
[17:13] tuhoojabotti: fille: Hej
[17:13] fille: :D
[17:14] b_erb: deoxxa: ok, that's really a difference. thanks
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[17:14] deoxxa: setTimeout would also end up with an infinitely deepening stack with a naiive implementation, but i don't think that's relevant with v8
[17:15] random123: I'm new to MongoDB, I installed "mongodb" from npm, is there a better reference or list of methods like "drop" "remove" "createCollection" etc. than in the .mds that come with it?
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[17:17] b_erb: deoxxa: i need a function getting executed several times, then being suspended and later started again in strict time. so i was pondering on a appropriate approach
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[17:18] deoxxa: yep, you probably want setInterval
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[17:27] JKarsrud: how does express' logging work?
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[17:27] mikey_p: it's just middleware
[17:29] JKarsrud: aight :)
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[17:31] indexzero: wattup node
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[17:32] astropirate: What C++  async io library does node use?
[17:33] Aria: It doesn't.
[17:33] indexzero: rsms / mscdex: Either of you around?
[17:33] Aria: It uses libev and now it's adding libuv as a layer around the Windows IOCP port.
[17:34] indexzero: Looking for some info on the OSX bindings of process.title that the commit logs seem to imply you wrote :)
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[17:36] jerrysv: indexzero: i don't suppose you have a mock response object, do you?
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[17:37] jerrysv: indexzero: i don't suppose you have a mock response object, do you?
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[17:41] indexzero: jerrysv:Well mock-request does include the request/response pair
[17:41] indexzero: but it's designed around making requests
[17:41] indexzero: Anyone used process.title on OSX + ps?
[17:41] indexzero: I'm ready to stab whoever created darwin with somekind of blunt object
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[17:42] jerrysv: indexzero: yeah, i saw that, was hoping to go the other way
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[17:44] indexzero: jerrysv: Nothing off-the-shelf, but it shouldn't be that hard, what's the scenario?
[17:44] jerrysv: testing an app framework, specifically the routing
[17:44] jerrysv: yeah, know it's not hard, just hoping to save myself a few minutes :)
[17:45] JKarsrud: which package is recommended for less? just npm install less, or are any of the other ones in npm better? 
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[17:45] indexzero: well mock-request will work for that
[17:45] indexzero: it mocks the request / response pair
[17:45] indexzero: I think some combination of mock-request and api-easy would work well for you
[17:46] jerrysv: thanks, will take a look at api-easy
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[17:46] falconair: is there a way to 'forward' all or subset of events? 
[17:47] falconair: i have a couple of services with events, i also have an aggregator which combines all the events...
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[17:47] falconair: then i have a web/rest layer on top...so i end up writing a LOT of code which just subscribes to events and forwards them
[17:48] falconair: is there a way to do "xyz.on('all-events',function(){ forward all events} )" ?
[17:48] falconair: "or forward all events, except a,b,c"
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[18:11] burg: hello. for: today = new Date(); year = today.getYear(); , year returns 111 and not the current year --- why is that?
[18:11] tuhoojabotti: v8: new Date().getYear();
[18:11] v8bot: tuhoojabotti: 111
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[18:12] tuhoojabotti: :U
[18:12] tuhoojabotti: :D
[18:12] fille: DAMMit Google plus upploading all my mobile pictures
[18:12] tuhoojabotti: fille: You can disable it....
[18:12] JKarsrud: hmm, naving a hard time getting less to work… 
[18:12] pdonald: v8: new Date().getFullYear();
[18:12] v8bot: pdonald: 2011
[18:12] JKarsrud: with express
[18:12] fille: i will
[18:12] burg: so why is 111 for getYear() ?
[18:13] tuhoojabotti: burg: It's a feature.
[18:13] JKarsrud: :D
[18:13] tuhoojabotti: Consider it a bonus!
[18:13] tuhoojabotti: Like Google +1
[18:13] tuhoojabotti: 11 +1
[18:13] pdonald: getYear method returns the year minus 1900
[18:15] bwinton: tuhoojabotti: 19100 FTW!  :)
[18:15] tuhoojabotti: Huh?
[18:16] JKarsrud: aight, never mind, I just had a .css file in there too, which overrode the less :)
[18:17] tuhoojabotti: rode over
[18:17] tuhoojabotti: :)
[18:17] davve: fille: did you chose to upload the pictures?
[18:18] fille: i downloaded the google + android app
[18:18] tuhoojabotti: Google+
[18:18] fille: and i used the instat uppload feture
[18:18] fille: instant
[18:18] tuhoojabotti: Yes.
[18:18] tuhoojabotti: don't complain if you chose it. :D
[18:18] fille: but its not sharing it
[18:18] tuhoojabotti: Of course not.
[18:18] fille: dident know what it was :D
[18:18] tuhoojabotti: You have to manually share them.
[18:18] fille: thats the good part
[18:18] fille: :D
[18:18] fille: i may disable it
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[18:18] fille: right away
[18:19] JKarsrud: do it
[18:19] JKarsrud: hey temp01! 
[18:19] JKarsrud: long time no see! 
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[18:19] fille: but i guess i will use it later, when i care less about my integrety
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[18:41] fille: anyone here
[18:41] fille: got a best practies question about express.js
[18:41] fille: so i got  app.get('/style.css')
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[18:42] fille: do i always need to  do like this fs.readFile("style.css",function
[18:42] fille: isent it better to keep the data inside style.css in memory all the time
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[18:45] fille: no one here anymore?
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[18:47] Multiply: There's always people here.
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[18:49] jerrysv: fille: performance wise, keep it in memory, but do a stat to make sure you have the most current version. simplicity wise, read it each time
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[18:50] fille: jerrysv okej so i making a autocomplete function in express
[18:50] fille: using a json dictionary
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[18:50] tuhoojabotti: Nice
[18:50] tuhoojabotti: My game server is working :D
[18:51] fille: tuhoojabotti :D
[18:51] dtan: what's up everyone
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[18:51] fille: is there any like document.ready     process.ready in node.js
[18:52] tuhoojabotti: Eh?
[18:52] tuhoojabotti: :D
[18:52] tuhoojabotti: fille: What would that be?
[18:52] tuhoojabotti: When is a process "ready" exactly?
[18:52] fille: thats true :D
[18:52] tuhoojabotti: :D
[18:52] fille: dammit 
[18:52] tuhoojabotti: luls
[18:53] fille: but a auto complete function in express.js
[18:53] fille: i guess i shall keep the list in memory all the time
[18:54] tuhoojabotti: or use mongodb instead of the json and query as needed ;D
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[18:55] JKarsrud: how do you render partial views from express?
[18:55] fille: havent tried that yet
[18:56] fille: partial('comment', { collection: comments });
[18:56] JKarsrud: yeah, I tried that, but it didn't find my partial
[18:56] JKarsrud: I even tried setting the 'partials' path
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[18:57] euforic: JKarsrud: Where is the partial being called in a jade file or in app.js
[18:57] JKarsrud: in app.js
[18:57] JKarsrud: app.set('partials', __dirname + 'views/partials');
[18:58] JKarsrud: then in my route callback; res.partial('test');
[18:58] fille: di u need to set the layout attribute
[18:58] dtan: JKarsrud: https://gist.github.com/1073845
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[18:59] dtan: has anyone used mongoose-auth and express?
[18:59] euforic: Try removing the app.set for partial and using the path from view/ on in the jade file
[19:00] euforic: From the view folder root sorry
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[19:00] JKarsrud: yeah, that works
[19:00] JKarsrud: but it feels ugly
[19:01] euforic: So partials/somepartial 
[19:01] JKarsrud: yes, that work
[19:01] JKarsrud: worked, sorry
[19:01] JKarsrud: but I just feel that I shouldn't have to
[19:01] JKarsrud: if I render a partial, it should go into the folder I've set as partial, imo
[19:02] dtan: jkarsrud, should have to reference the partials/ folder?
[19:02] dtan: you can name the partials folder anything want
[19:02] dtan: the path to the partial is all relative to where that file lives
[19:02] JKarsrud: yeah, doesn't matter what it's called, as long as I can set an option for what my partial folder is 
[19:02] JKarsrud: imo
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[19:03] euforic: You could do an app set using the view directory root 
[19:03] JKarsrud: so not like this?  app.set('partials', __dirname + 'views/partials');  then?
[19:03] euforic: Instead of the app dir root maybe
[19:03] JKarsrud: ah, right
[19:03] euforic: Yeah try that
[19:03] JKarsrud: yeah, that doesn't work 
[19:04] euforic: No just partials no views
[19:04] JKarsrud: ah
[19:04] euforic: Sorry on my iPhone so typing sucks
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[19:05] euforic: Or send the partials path as a local var when rendering views
[19:06] JKarsrud: so, how do I read a config setting? 
[19:06] JKarsrud: never mind, it doesn't really matter at this point
[19:07] JKarsrud: I have more important things to do, like getting some user authentication :D
[19:08] JKarsrud: but first, a smoke! 
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[19:08] dtan: jkarsrud - whatever you name setting you can then do app.set('myVar')
[19:09] dtan: i think it's a little weird to use a setter for a getter
[19:09] JKarsrud: ah, so set reads AND writes, based on how many params? 
[19:09] dtan: right
[19:09] JKarsrud: *are passed in, sorry
[19:09] JKarsrud: weird
[19:09] dtan: ya
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[19:09] JKarsrud: but app.get is taken, so :P
[19:09] dtan: true 
[19:09] dtan: ha
[19:09] dtan: what about getParam('param')
[19:09] JKarsrud: but still, kinda weird
[19:09] dtan: a little verbose
[19:09] JKarsrud: exactly
[19:09] dtan: but at least it's more clear
[19:10] JKarsrud: getSetting
[19:10] JKarsrud: getConfig
[19:10] JKarsrud: whatevs
[19:10] JKarsrud: anything is better than set() for a getter :D
[19:10] TooTallNate: dtan: tj doesn't like camel case :p
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[19:10] JKarsrud: getconfig then
[19:10] dtan: haha, ok getparam
[19:10] JKarsrud: :D
[19:10] dtan: hah
[19:10] TooTallNate: no those are ugly
[19:10] JKarsrud: so set is better?
[19:11] dtan: set is confusing 
[19:11] TooTallNate: it's more "jquery-y", for whatever that's worth
[19:11] JKarsrud: uhm, no?
[19:11] TooTallNate: I agree its confusing
[19:11] dtan: ya i kinda got that
[19:11] JKarsrud: it's not when the naming sucks
[19:11] JKarsrud: :P
[19:11] JKarsrud: imo
[19:11] dtan: jkarsrud, tootallnate is saying that using one method to set/get is jquery-ish
[19:11] JKarsrud: I know what he meant 
[19:11] TooTallNate: it's like .attr() for example
[19:11] dtan: oh ok
[19:11] JKarsrud: or prop! 
[19:11] JKarsrud: PROP it is
[19:11] JKarsrud: instead of set
[19:11] dtan: ya but those attr makes sense
[19:11] dtan: set is explict
[19:12] dtan: to a certain action at its face value
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[19:12] dtan: prop would work imo
[19:12] JKarsrud: even though prop only has one parameter in jquery
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[19:12] dtan: meh, i don't think it would matter in this context
[19:12] JKarsrud: but here it's excellent, because you set or get config properties
[19:12] JKarsrud: ^^
[19:12] dtan: right
[19:12] JKarsrud: anyways, going for that smoke
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[19:13] JKarsrud: this should be played in with tj tho
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[19:14] dtan: right
[19:16] euforic: You could use app.locals() maybe set the path there 
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[19:20] JKarsrud: euforic: isn't that on the response?
[19:21] euforic: Is a helper alias 
[19:21] JKarsrud: okay
[19:21] JKarsrud: well, anyways, don't really have any partials atm anyway :D
[19:22] davve: */ +- ,. :; [] {} '"
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[19:23] Determinist: any way to see what node's GC is doing?
[19:23] Determinist: i wanna see when specific objects are getting collected
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[19:26] JKarsrud: dtan: aight, so you can do app.setting.partials
[19:26] dtan: and set it explicitly?
[19:26] dtan: or you mean get it?
[19:27] JKarsrud: get
[19:27] JKarsrud: ref tj's answer on github
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[19:28] dtan: ah that was quick lol
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[19:29] JKarsrud: yeah
[19:29] JKarsrud: I even got an email, just because you mentioned me 
[19:29] JKarsrud: :D
[19:29] jerrysv: determinist: node --trace-gc
[19:30] jerrysv: at least to see the collection happen\
[19:30] Determinist: jerrysv: any "destructor" type behavior i can use to track specific objects being GCed?
[19:31] jerrysv: maybe with one of the other v8 options -- i haven't explored them all
[19:31] dtan: jkarsrund - i just did a quick lookup on github =)
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[19:32] CIA-110: libuv: 03Bert Belder 07master * r5aa8c00 10/ src/uv-win.c : Windows: call shutdown before closesocket to ensure graceful disconnect - http://bit.ly/r0yaCo
[19:32] jerrysv: maybe --trace_gc_verbose
[19:33] Determinist: jerrysv: where can i find those other v8 options?
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[19:33] Determinist: jerrysv: scratch that
[19:33] jerrysv: node --v8-options
[19:33] Determinist: jerrysv: found it
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[19:34] TheEmpath: hail nodelings
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[19:36] TheEmpath: i got me a doc in MongoDB with a property that is a DBRef, I'm pulling it form the DB and sending it straight to Javascript in its raw JSON... but alas, I cannot map this blurb of JSON automatically to a useful Object in Javascript that has delicious methods that make that blarb of JSON highly useful.  Any known solutions or discussions about this lack of mapping?
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[19:41] CIA-110: libuv: 03Igor Zinkovsky 07master * rb6a6dae 10/ (12 files in 3 dirs): Named pipes implementation for Windows - http://bit.ly/mUQJAK
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[19:46] random123: If I was to use an asyncronous readFile, then once the file is read to request.end(data) how can the callback have access to request.end to do this?
[19:47] random123: Or would I be forced to use Sync function in this case?
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[19:48] random123: er response.end..
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[19:59] kkaefer: is there a standardize test runner status reporting format?
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[20:00] kkaefer: vows has a --json parameter, but it seems proprietary
[20:01] kkaefer: I remember someone at nodeconf talking about that
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[20:07] ralphholzmann: Heyo, is there an easy way to see why a process would hang? I'm running some unit tests and they pass but the process doesnt exit
[20:07] ralphholzmann: and im not listening on any servers or anything ...
[20:07] ralphholzmann: hmmm
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[20:09] kkaefer: ralphholzmann: do you have a setTimeout or setInterval?
[20:09] kkaefer: ralphholzmann: I'm not aware of a mechanism to see why node doesn't exit though
[20:09] ralphholzmann: kkaefer: i have a few
[20:09] ralphholzmann: not interval
[20:09] ralphholzmann: but some timeouts
[20:10] kkaefer: node will not exit when there are any timeouts pending
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[21:03] TheEmpath: anyone heard of a way to write mongoose models for node.js and then have a borwser call that model down for the client to use, which would allow mongoose model JSONs to properly populate in both the client and server?
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[21:05] doubletap: a synchronized model?
[21:05] TheEmpath: ya
[21:05] tbranyen: http://pastie.org/private/bahsqzh87sk762tqo7xddw how does that template engine partials syntax look?
[21:05] TheEmpath: allow node.js to be authoritative with data AND structure through the whole stack
[21:05] tbranyen: is it too confusing?
[21:05] tbranyen: or is it obvious
[21:06] JKarsrud: isn't that just stache?
[21:06] tbranyen: JKarsrud: mustache doesn't allow you to go back up a context
[21:06] JKarsrud: atleast syntax wise
[21:06] tbranyen: but yeah
[21:06] doubletap: I have worked toward that a couple times but what I found is that in practice the client models often have different requirements than the models used on the server.
[21:06] TheEmpath: i figured as much
[21:07] TheEmpath: all of the mongoose getter methods wouldn't work in the client and all graphic collisions wouldn't work on the server
[21:07] TheEmpath: but there is some serious venn diagram overlappage
[21:07] doubletap: quite a bit
[21:07] TheEmpath: 
ACTION ponders.

[21:07] JKarsrud: tbranyen: sure, it looks good
[21:07] doubletap: there is a framework i saw a while ago that ORM/ORD's the differences.
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[21:08] doubletap: so, you build a framework that abstracts and unifies.
[21:08] tbranyen: JKarsrud: not even sure if going up is important
[21:08] triplem: hi, i do have a noob question concerning reading and "parsing" a tar.gz file.
[21:08] tbranyen: like grabbing values from the base context
[21:08] JKarsrud: nah, I doubt it
[21:08] triplem: i have already installed tar, but this is not really working ;-(
[21:09] TheEmpath: unrelated: i get to update my nifty real-time socket server from node 0.3.0 to current :X
[21:09] TheEmpath: its been a while.. been going balls deep into writing a tile engine in html5
[21:09] tbranyen: JKarsrud: okay took that bit out
[21:09] triplem: any hints on how to do this easily with e.g. exec?
[21:10] JKarsrud: tbranyen: I've never, in any framework or language, had the need to do so, so
[21:10] tbranyen: JKarsrud: another thing i've been debating is elseif support
[21:10] TheEmpath: doubletap: yeah, an idea of horizontal inheritence (traits) comes to mind for this
[21:10] JKarsrud: the thing I like about mustache is that it's logic less
[21:10] tbranyen: i hate that
[21:10] tbranyen: which is why i'm making this
[21:10] tbranyen: heh
[21:10] JKarsrud: hehe
[21:10] tbranyen: same syntax for conditionals and looping is too confusing for me
[21:11] TheEmpath: having a model server side uses server traits.. when it goes client, it gets client traits... by default it gets shared traits
[21:11] TheEmpath: js is prototypical, so mixins are already there...
[21:11] tbranyen: js is prototypical?
[21:11] TheEmpath: oh yeah
[21:11] tbranyen: sweeet!
[21:11] bnoordhuis: triplem: what exactly do you want to do with tar?
[21:11] TheEmpath: anyone know of a scala wrapper for js lol?
[21:12] triplem: bhoordhuis: a list of the whole content of the  file and then access single files and parse those
[21:12] triplem: tar tvf and then accessing single files in the tar.
[21:12] JKarsrud: tbranyen: maybe, but I've found that I can just as easily do the conditionals on the server and pass in vars from that
[21:12] JKarsrud: so
[21:12] JKarsrud: I don't know
[21:12] JKarsrud: :)
[21:13] tbranyen: JKarsrud: well if you're getting something from a 3rd party api and it changes, you now need to change code and restart your server to handle that
[21:13] tbranyen: if you have a templating engine that can withstand those changes, you can just change a template
[21:14] tbranyen: also i think many companies have frontend people that can handle templates, but not code, so thats a bottleneck in development if they cannot normalize the data to conform to logic less template syntax
[21:14] tbranyen: i know it slows me down
[21:14] JKarsrud: well, I'm actually a frontend dev
[21:15] JKarsrud: what I like tho, is that with mustache, I can use the same templates in both front and backend
[21:15] tbranyen: JKarsrud: yeah thats the goal of this engine as well
[21:15] triplem: bnoordhuis: pretty much a js noob, so any help appreciated
[21:15] tbranyen: i looked into handlebars, but dear god that was a nightmare to try and get working in node
[21:15] tbranyen: https://gist.github.com/994418
[21:16] tbranyen: ^^ are my design thoughts
[21:16] bnoordhuis: triplem: have you read the child_process module docs?
[21:18] triplem: bnoordhuis: partly
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[21:18] LaptopSmasher: Yo, I code in node.js and my cell is a 313 -- I sip coffee on my Macbook in the D
[21:18] triplem: think i need to do a exec('tar tvf file.tar.gz')
[21:18] LaptopSmasher: I'm a Detroit boy -- got the body guards -- I'm the mother fucker in charge
[21:19] LaptopSmasher: Coleman Young loves me - 313! 313!
[21:19] triplem: is this the way to go, or is there already some native solution? tried tar, but this module is not really working, unfortunately
[21:19] LaptopSmasher: </Node.js MC>
[21:19] bnoordhuis: triplem: there are (at least) two tar modules for node
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[21:20] triplem: bnoordhuis: well, there seem to be three: tar, tar-async and i think tar-client. 
[21:20] LaptopSmasher: We need a rap for node.js
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[21:20] triplem: i tried tar, tar sync seems to do just the packaging and the untar stuff
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[21:21] bnoordhuis: triplem: if you want to do it yourself, you can use either exec or spawn
[21:21] triplem: then the exec seems the way to go, right?
[21:21] bnoordhuis: triplem: yep
[21:21] triplem: ah, okay, i will dig into this. most probably come back if i do have more questions
[21:21] triplem: thanks for the help, anyway.
[21:22] bnoordhuis: triplem: my pleasure :)
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[21:33] Bonuspunk: LaptopSmasher> We need a rap for node.js -- like http://soundcloud.com/marak/marak-the-node-js-rap ?
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[21:37] monokrome: Hey, isaacs. Are you around by any chance?
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[21:38] monokrome: I am wondering if it is possible to host your own npm registries internally for proprietary code
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[21:50] spetrea: I want to use jsdom which in turn uses node-htmlparser. But I don't want to install either on my system, I just want to use them with relative paths from inside a .js file I'll run using nodejs. My example is right here -> http://bit.ly/oNUI37 <-  . Basically I can't get jsdom to see that I have already loaded node-htmlparser and I get the error message in the comments of test.js
[21:52] jesusabdullah: spetrea: Give your project a package.json file, use npm to install these things inside your project folder. That's my suggestion!
[21:52] jesusabdullah: It's pretty slick
[21:52] spetrea: I dunno how to use npm to install stuff at some particular location
[21:53] Bonuspunk: spetrea npm version?
[21:53] Aikar: spetrea: cd ~/path/to/proj && npm install socketio
[21:54] spetrea: my npm always needs sudo
[21:54] spetrea: dunno why, couldn't ever get it to work without sudo
[21:54] spetrea: :|
[21:55] monokrome: Probably need to upgrade it?
[21:55] jesusabdullah: What version of npm are you using? That sounds pre-1.0
[21:55] spetrea: user@garage:/tmp/js-1.8.5/js/src$ npm --version
[21:55] spetrea: 0.2.7-1
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[21:55] Aikar: everyone do the dinosaur
[21:56] jesusabdullah: c/^^^\
[21:56] spetrea: is it that old ?
[21:56] jesusabdullah: Yeah
[21:56] jesusabdullah: way old
[21:56] spetrea: should I do 
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[21:56] spetrea: npm install npm ?
[21:56] jesusabdullah: Follow the directions at npmjs.org
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[21:57] monokrome: just sudo -s
[21:58] monokrome: and then run the command on npmjs.org like jesus said
[21:58] monokrome: and it'll upgrade itself
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[21:58] monokrome: It'll also remove all of your globally installed packages, because it defaults to using ./node_modules now
[21:58] spetrea: ok I'll try that thanks ! :)
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[22:00] mjijackson: v8: "x-amz-date content-type".split(' ').filter(function (s) { (/^x-amz-/).test(s) })
[22:00] v8bot: mjijackson: []
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[22:01] mjijackson: v8: "x-amz-date content-type".split(' ').filter(function (s) { return (/^x-amz-/).test(s) })
[22:01] v8bot: mjijackson: ["x-amz-date"]
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[22:11] saschagehlich: is there a way to render a template to a string in express.js?
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[22:16] b_erb1: is there already a leaky bucket implementation in node.js? searched a bit without success
[22:17] stagas: saschagehlich: res.render('foo', function(string) { }) iirc
[22:17] saschagehlich: yup just found out, thanks anyway stagas
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[22:19] Tobbe: What's the return value of emitter.addListener and emitter.on?
[22:20] b_erb1: Tobbe: https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/lib/events.js
[22:20] Detroiter: I wish someone would sell bottled armpit hair so I can prank my COBOL friends.
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[22:21] Tobbe: b_erb1: so it returns "this". Did it use to return "listener"?
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[22:27] JKarsrud: how would I pass template variables to a view if an error exists?
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[22:28] JKarsrud: say I want to create a new user. I check if the two passwords provided match, and if they don't I want to pass in some variables to the view with an error message
[22:30] JKarsrud: http://pastie.org/private/d3xzaflvbvhatsgsajqg
[22:31] JKarsrud: it's just that, but then I get an "undefined, redirecting to localhost:3000/auth/signup" message in my browser 
[22:31] JKarsrud: no 500
[22:31] tuhoojabotti: hihih
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[22:31] JKarsrud: hihihi?
[22:32] JKarsrud: if I'm totally off track here, please tell me :)
[22:32] tuhoojabotti: I don't know.
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[22:34] JKarsrud: okay :)
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[22:41] fille: how do i make normal get parameters in express.js
[22:41] fille: ?q=hello
[22:41] JKarsrud: like what?
[22:42] fille: app.get("/search?q=hello",function() ...
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[22:42] fille: need to use normal get params 
[22:42] JKarsrud: hmm, they're in the req.body
[22:42] JKarsrud: I think
[22:42] JKarsrud: atleast for post
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[22:43] JKarsrud: nah, req.query
[22:43] JKarsrud: http://expressjs.com/guide.html#req.param()
[22:43] JKarsrud: :)
[22:43] fille: thansk
[22:43] fille: like normal node.js http server
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[22:54] random123: Anyone know why it would take 200ms to sent text/css but only 3ms for everything else?
[22:56] JKarsrud: to send?
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[22:57] random123: yeJKarsrud I'll make a image to show easier
[22:58] JKarsrud: sure
[22:59] random123: JKarsrud: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/600/ss1pt.png/
[23:00] random123: er 1 sec
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[23:00] JKarsrud: where does it say the time here? :)
[23:01] random123: JKarsrud: http://imgur.com/FMz69
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[23:02] random123: The other image shows the headers 
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[23:02] random123: They are identical to the js file
[23:02] random123: except of course the request header mime type for text/css on the stylesheet
[23:02] JKarsrud: yeah, but how big is the css file compared to the js?
[23:02] random123: the css file is only about 20 characters
[23:02] random123: very tiny
[23:02] JKarsrud: yeah, and the JS is empty, amirite?
[23:03] random123: Yes
[23:03] jimmyrcom: with long polling, isn't it just dumping data to iframe. Wouldn't mobile devices run out of memory if it's really active sending a bunch of script tags?
[23:03] random123: Why would 28B make it take 200ms longer though?
[23:03] JKarsrud: yeah, then it's 3ms for the request, and then 200ms for the request + download of the contents, 
[23:03] random123: the text/html is 309B and is only 2ms
[23:04] random123: I just tested and empty the file makes is 3ms
[23:04] random123: However
[23:04] JKarsrud: it shouldn't take that long, tho
[23:04] formasfunction: I'm sending a SIGUSR1 signal to a node script and I'd like to exit a script into the debugger. Right now I'm getting this from via the terminal: Hit SIGUSR1 - starting debugger agent. debugger listening on port 5858. How would I go about immediately connecting to that port and debugging?
[23:04] random123: The html file is like 10x bigger than the CSS file and takes only 3ms too
[23:04] random123: in bytes
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[23:07] JKarsrud: yeah, there is something weird there
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[23:07] random123:  When I empty the CSS file it goes 3ms as well
[23:07] random123: Also 
[23:08] random123: when I add "//" to the JS file, it goes up to 200ms as well
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[23:08] JKarsrud: I wouldn't worry much about it tho, 200ms for a site to load isn't very big
[23:08] muk_mb: does anyone want to be code-review buddies?
[23:08] JKarsrud: then I guess it's just something the web inspector does
[23:09] random123: I need to get it down to 3ms as well
[23:09] random123: Atleast 20ms or less
[23:09] random123: If I write the CSS and JS inline then it doesn't happen
[23:10] random123: It is noticably faster
[23:10] jesusabdullah: Why so fast?
[23:11] random123: 200ms vs 10ms
[23:11] random123: Its a huge performance gain
[23:11] random123: Better user experience
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[23:12] JKarsrud: well, honestly
[23:12] jesusabdullah: 200ms is two tenths of a second
[23:12] jesusabdullah: I will not notice two tenths of a second, unless there are at least five of them
[23:12] jesusabdullah: At least, this is my feeling on the matter
[23:12] JKarsrud: I wouldn't care much about it, I doubt it if it really matters
[23:14] burg: how can i copy a clone of an object, and not its reference?
[23:14] Aria: How far is this being sent, random123?
[23:15] random123: Aria: The same computer in this case
[23:15] bnoordhuis: burg: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/728360/copying-an-object-in-javascript <- it's surprisingly tricky
[23:15] random123: Aria: On my VPS its 10ms to send 309B of text/html, vs 1-2ms on same computer
[23:16] jesusabdullah: Is there a simple way to get the "union" of two objects: ie, U({'a': 1, 'b': 2}, {'c': 3}) -> {'a': 1, 'b': 2, 'c': 3} ?
[23:16] jesusabdullah: like, some function or something?
[23:16] jesusabdullah: If not, or if you need "trickery" then I'm good
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[23:20] burg: i actually have this code: http://codepad.org/0Ae5SSyk  , and until updateDatabaseTotals(tweets) finish execution, tweets object is already being reseted. is any other way i can fix that, if not cloning?
[23:20] bnoordhuis: jesusabdullah: how would you handle duplicate keys with different values?
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[23:20] jesusabdullah: bnoordhuis: Good question! In this case I don't expect duplicate keys, so if there are any they can overwrite
[23:21] jesusabdullah: I'd imagine I could do some Object.keys(obj1).forEach business pretty easy
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[23:21] jesusabdullah: Or, rock the bad code styles and use with
[23:21] jesusabdullah: whatever.
[23:22] bnoordhuis: jesusabdullah: there isn't a native function
[23:23] bnoordhuis: jesusabdullah: copy key/values from a into temp object t, then remove all keys that don't exist in b
[23:23] bnoordhuis: jesusabdullah: not very efficient but well
[23:24] bnoordhuis: oh wait, union - not intersect
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[23:24] SubStack: jesusabdullah: require('hashish').merge({ a : 1, b : 2 }, { c : 3 })
[23:24] jesusabdullah: oho
[23:24] jesusabdullah: Yeah, that'd do it
[23:25] SubStack: or .update() if you want to modify in-place
[23:25] jesusabdullah: idk why I never bother to just see if hash has it
[23:25] jesusabdullah: it's kind of the obvious thing to do
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[23:25] SubStack: underscore and jquery have functions that do this too
[23:25] SubStack: I think they call it .extend()
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[23:26] jesusabdullah: hashish.merge will do nicely
[23:27] jesusabdullah: I'm trying to avoid underscore since it's a bit too kitchen-sink-y for my tastes
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[23:48] random123: Can anyone explain why my external CSS and JS files are loading so slow? Here is a screenshot http://imgur.com/KsRrZ ... Why would a 100kB image transfer is 2ms, but the other files that much much smaller take 200ms?
[23:49] Swizec: anyone here using the forms module?
[23:49] jimmyrcom: random123, your cat is cached
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[23:50] random123: jimmyrcom, I checked and I tried without it cached
[23:50] random123: Same result
[23:50] random123: Its not that
[23:50] jimmyrcom: modify page so it's cat.jpg?blah
[23:51] jimmyrcom: and refresh with timed
[23:51] jimmyrcom: you're not going to get 2ms latency on a remote server
[23:51] random123: It is not a remote server
[23:51] random123: It's on my local network
[23:52] random123: The 2ms is accurate
[23:52] random123: The JS and CSS files are taking 200ms for some odd reason
[23:52] random123: There is a problem
[23:52] jimmyrcom: that's pretty slow for localhost...yeah
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[23:53] random123: For some reason this is only affecting external CSS and JS files, and its taking 200ms to retreive them
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[23:54] jimmyrcom: try requesting directly from 127.0.0.1
[23:55] random123: I did http://192.168.1.142/ and got the same result
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[23:57] random123: You can see in Firebug or Chrome 
[23:57] random123: http://98.236.193.36/
[23:57] random123: On network
[23:57] random123: tab
[23:58] JKarsrud: anyone got any ideas on how to make an id field with mongoose that is not objectID ?