[00:00] maushu: Gigawatt, you can use the variable from the parent scope. Research "javascript closures".
[00:01] Gigawatt: v8: function A(message,callback){message += "ttt"; callback(); } var M = "ABC"; A(M,function(){console.log(M);})
[00:01] v8bot: Gigawatt: "ABC"
[00:01] Gigawatt: I can see that it's passed by value
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[00:05] Gigawatt: ok got another issue, whats the best way to loop a list of files async and call a callback only when the list is complete
[00:05] jerrysv: gigawatt: smtp mailer? or smtp server?
[00:06] Gigawatt: mailer
[00:06] tjholowaychuk: a real one? or sendmail?
[00:06] tjholowaychuk: or using node apis?
[00:06] Gigawatt: i real one, that uses sockets to connect to a host and transport the email
[00:07] tjholowaychuk: whoop
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[00:07] Gigawatt: so yea, i need to read data from a list of files and call the callback only when the all the files have been read
[00:08] Gigawatt: but needs to be async
[00:09] Gigawatt: https://gist.github.com/1057595
[00:10] tjholowaychuk: you just need to iterate and have
[00:10] tjholowaychuk: var pending = attachments.length;
[00:10] tjholowaychuk: --pending || callback()
[00:10] tjholowaychuk: with error handling etc
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[00:11] TooTallNate: simple counters ftw!
[00:11] Gigawatt: hmm, nice
[00:11] Gigawatt: so after each iteration check the length's
[00:11] Gigawatt: if they equal then call the callback and break
[00:11] tjholowaychuk: in each callback do that
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[00:12] tjholowaychuk: then when they are all done
[00:12] tjholowaychuk: it will invoke the main callback
[00:12] chbrown: Gigawatt: or, similarly: https://gist.github.com/1057596
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[00:22] level09: any one worked with jsdom ?
[00:22] level09: or request module
[00:23] Gigawatt: this is ok for base64 conversion isn't it? data.toString('base64')
[00:23] tjholowaychuk: data is a Buffer?
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[00:23] Gigawatt: no [encoding=itf8]
[00:23] Gigawatt: utf-8
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[00:24] t|f: npm is considered best practice for dependency management right, not using git submodules? 
[00:25] tjholowaychuk: correcto
[00:25] isaacs: t|f: you can use git submodules if you prefer that
[00:25] isaacs: t|f: i use git submodules for npm
[00:25] mikey_p: unless you have to patch all your submodules, or are doing development on the submodules, npm is probably easier
[00:26] level09: is it easy to configure git submodules
[00:26] isaacs: i don't use submodules in any *other* packages, just in npm itself.
[00:26] isaacs: also, there's an "npm submodule" command in 1.0.16
[00:27] t|f: :) Thanks :) Actually I really prefer npm right now. Used submodules before with not too much trouble, but I can't get jsdav to work anymore and it seems related to either the async.js submodule or the node-o3-xml-v4 submodule
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[00:28] t|f: Anyone know another webdav implementation in Node? I haven't found one
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[00:28] Gigawatt: https://gist.github.com/1057622 - i think that the if(count == 0) will fail because the loop will finish before the filereads, how can i get around that
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[00:30] garbagegod: im having some issues installing node.js, whenever i run ./configure i get a syntax error
[00:31] Gigawatt: garbagegod, whats the error ?
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[00:31] Gigawatt: and have you run make before
[00:31] garbagegod: SyntaxError: invalid syntax
[00:31] garbagegod: yes
[00:31] garbagegod: scripting.py line 146 
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[00:31] Gigawatt: is there a stack ?
[00:31] garbagegod: i think it has to do with the pyton im using 
[00:32] garbagegod: what version of python is this designed to run with 
[00:32] garbagegod: 2.x or 3.x?
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[00:32] Gigawatt: latest
[00:32] Gigawatt: i would expect
[00:32] Gigawatt: Ryan is always pushing updates from all aspects of the system
[00:32] isaacs: garbagegod: 2.x
[00:32] garbagegod: make gives a syntax error too
[00:32] isaacs: garbagegod: there's an open issue to make it work on 3.x
[00:33] garbagegod: how do i run it with 3.x 
[00:33] isaacs: garbagegod: you don't :)
[00:33] garbagegod: i dont even know if thats the issue, i just suspect it 
[00:33] isaacs: alias python=python2
[00:33] isaacs: or whatever
[00:33] garbagegod: ah 
[00:33] Gigawatt: my bad
[00:33] isaacs: oh,a ctually, id ont' think that'll trick env
[00:33] Gigawatt: isaacs, wahts the best way of dealing with this: https://gist.github.com/1057622
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[00:34] garbagegod: nah, didnt work 
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[00:35] garbagegod: http://pastebin.com/qAf27xFf check out the error
[00:35] garbagegod: sorry for it being in there twice >_<
[00:35] isaacs: Gigawatt: i don't know what that is?
[00:36] isaacs: garbagegod: yeah, that's python 43
[00:36] isaacs: *3
[00:36] isaacs: garbagegod: what does `python --version` output?
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[00:36] Gigawatt: isaacs, i need to read multiple files and when all files have been read execute a callback, that code is failed as the if statement will never be true
[00:36] garbagegod: python 3.2
[00:37] isaacs: garbagegod: ok.  get python 2
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[00:37] isaacs: garbagegod: make it the python that's in your path
[00:37] garbagegod: i have python 2 
[00:37] garbagegod: alright
[00:37] garbagegod: theres no mention of python in the config script, wheres the thing i need to change exactly?
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[00:38] garbagegod: so the Makefile has a bunch of what appear to be python instances 
[00:38] garbagegod: ill try and change them all and see what happens 
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[00:39] garbagegod: nope 
[00:39] garbagegod: im pretty sure thats not even what i was supposed to do 
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[00:40] jesusabdullah: garbagegod: Make it such that when you type python --version it says python 2.7 or so
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[00:40] garbagegod: jesusabdullah: i have python 2.7.1 installed, and i can alias it, but that dosent work
[00:40] garbagegod: what file has the line where it invokes python
[00:40] garbagegod: that i need to change to python2 
[00:41] garbagegod: doing it in the Makefile dosent work
[00:41] jesusabdullah: wny not add a symbolic link from python to python2 in your /home/bin ?
[00:41] garbagegod: alright 
[00:41] jesusabdullah: and set your $PATH variable such that it looks in /home/bin before it looks in /usr/bin or wherever?
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[00:42] garbagegod: worked 
[00:42] garbagegod: the symbolic link worked
[00:42] garbagegod: thanks buddy 
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[00:44] Xenoraze: How do I get a remote address for a connection in socket.io 0.7.x ?
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[00:45] Xenoraze: socket.connection.remoteAddress works in 0.6.x but no longer in 0.7.x
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[00:49] garbagegod: once i have node.js installed, how do i test it to make sure its working and all that?
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[00:49] garbagegod: lol /usr/bin/node
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[00:50] garbagegod: being a php developer myself, I'm frankly amazed at javascript reaching out to the server side 
[00:50] garbagegod: also kind of scared 
[00:50] garbagegod: and kind of horny. 
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[01:01] drefined: does anyone know if express-resource able to use route middleware?
[01:02] drefined: i'm searching for it but i can't find anything on it
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[01:05] Xenoraze: How do I get a remote address for a connection in socket.io 0.7.x ?
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[01:07] t|f: what is the recommended way of organizing a big project, one that is organized into modules but modules that won't likely be used in other projects? Options seem to be (1) organize in dir tree under lib; (2) break into separate npm packages (possibly prefixed by project name); (3) use git submodulesl (4) something else?
[01:07] isaacs: t|f:  split into multiple modules.
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[01:08] isaacs: t|f: whether you use submodules, published npm packages, unpublished npm packages, or private-registry-published npm packages, breaking into multiple small pieces with their own tests etc is almost alwyas the right answer.
[01:08] isaacs: split it up *now*,  before it's big and hard to break up
[01:08] isaacs: it's much easier at this point to start in the right direction.
[01:09] t|f: isaacs, ok thanks, that's way I was leaning. Its what I do in other langs (Erlang, Java, Python)
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[01:10] t|f: isaacs, is it considered bad form to publicly publish a project's modules? In other words, do people consider it polluting the public registry if I have something like jsDAV-exceptions?
[01:10] isaacs: it's fine :)
[01:10] t|f: Cool, thx
[01:10] isaacs: tf: be aware that it's public, of course.
[01:11] isaacs: so don't publish anything you don't want public :)
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[01:11] Gigawatt: v8: {}.length
[01:11] v8bot: Gigawatt: SyntaxError: Unexpected token .
[01:11] Gigawatt: v8: [].length
[01:11] v8bot: Gigawatt: 0
[01:11] isaacs: v8: ({}).length
[01:11] v8bot: isaacs: undefined
[01:11] Gigawatt: v8: ({}).length
[01:11] v8bot: Gigawatt: undefined
[01:11] t|f: Yep, am a big fan of transparency. Though have gotten when I went back to old code on github and was embarassed as hell
[01:12] Gigawatt: v8: ({}).length
[01:12] v8bot: Gigawatt: undefined
[01:12] t|f: s/gotten/gotten bit
[01:12] Gigawatt: hmmm
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[01:21] t|f: Is o3-xml  the XML parser most Node coders use?
[01:22] tbranyen: Gigawatt: objects don't have lengths...
[01:22] cafesofie: i'm using libxmljs right now
[01:22] Gigawatt: yea i just learnt that :)
[01:23] tbranyen: t|f: regex
[01:23] Gigawatt: guys ive got an issue, im connecting to an SMTP Server such as google, and i require sending commands and then sending data and receiving data, but doing this async is causing me issues
[01:24] Gigawatt: it looks like im going to have to have like 20 functions within functions :/
[01:24] Gigawatt: is there a simple technique for this?
[01:24] t|f: tbranyen, :) yeah, done that for some very simple stuff, but need an actual XML parser that's namespace aware.
[01:25] t|f: cafesofie, do you know is libxmljs handles namespaces?
[01:25] tbranyen: t|f: yea was kidding :-p
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[01:26] tbranyen: luckily i haven't had to deal with xml yet in ndoe
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[01:29] t|f: I've been using node for a few months, but mostly for experiments and stuff. Trying to use it on a real project now
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[01:38] Xenoraze: Does anyone know how to get a remote address for a connection in socket.io 0.7.x ?
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[01:41] Nexxy: Xenoraze, try socket.handshake.addres
[01:41] Nexxy: address*
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[01:44] Gigawatt: whats a simpel step library for nodejs
[01:44] Xenoraze: Nexxy getting closer but that seems to be the server's address/port
[01:44] Nexxy: Xenoraze, .remoteAddress ?
[01:45] Nexxy: I only mention that cuz I asked `3rdEden the same question yesterday
[01:45] Nexxy: but I haven't had a chance to figure it out yet
[01:46] Xenoraze: Nexxy: undefined
[01:46] Nexxy: Xenoraze, I'm not sure then ;< let me know if you figure it out though!
[01:46] Xenoraze: socket.connection.remoteAddress worked in 0.6, but 0.7 has me stumped
[01:47] Nexxy: fwiw I'm told it's fixed in 0.8
[01:47] Nexxy: hopefully?
[01:47] Nexxy: maybe?
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[01:47] Nexxy: I just did a tacky hack and used a post to get the client's address
[01:48] Nexxy: lol
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[01:48] Xenoraze: Well I posted the question in the google group and hopefully I get an answer back soon
[01:49] Xenoraze: If so I'll let you know
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[01:55] t|f: Hmm...I try npm install libxmljs and get the error "/Users/wolf/node/include/node/uv.h:36:25: error: c-ares/ares.h: No such file or directory", even though I've previously done sudo port install c-ares . Anyone know whats going on?
[01:55] t|f: oh..sudo port c-ares-dev ?
[01:56] t|f: Nope, no such package.
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[01:59] t|f: Just found https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/1204 which seems related, is this a case 'update node'?
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[02:03] bhitee: when i installed nodejs on my mac, i was able to run it without sudo
[02:03] bhitee: but i dont know what happened cos it doesn't even find the binary when i run the command without sudo
[02:03] bhitee: pls what could be run
[02:03] Lorentz: Try "which sudo"
[02:03] bhitee: pls what could be wrong?
[02:03] Lorentz: Uh, "which node"
[02:03] bhitee: it runs in my /usr/local/bin directory
[02:04] bhitee: node.js
[02:04] t|f: I am running it without sudo, I just had to do ./configure --prefix=/Users/wolf/node
[02:04] bhitee: basically some commands that have been running on my mac without using sudo now require me to login as root to run them on my mac
[02:05] bhitee: yes, it used to run without sudo for me b4 now
[02:05] bhitee: even wget says not found
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[02:05] bhitee: until i login as root
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[02:06] t|f: Dont know, perhaps a chown that went wrong or a path var change in your profile setup file recently?
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[02:07] t|f: You've prob tried it, but did you try exiting out of that shell completely, starting a new one, and trying it? If still not working then check path env variable and permissions on wget
[02:09] bhitee: @t|f thanks for the suggestion but it has been like that for some days now, of which i've restarted terminal several times
[02:09] Gigawatt: how the hell are you supposed to do TCP In sync mode :/
[02:10] t|f: Btw, if any1  else if having libxmljs install issues...rebuilding from current head of node and installing that fixed it. Seems to have been related to some recent libuv changes in Node.js
[02:10] bhitee: checking permissions on wget alone won't solve the problem as several commands that used to work without sudo now requires sudo
[02:10] Aria: Permissions on the bin directory?
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[02:11] t|f: bhitee, hmm..perms on bin dir check is a good idea. You can also capture output of set command as you, then diff with output of set as root
[02:12] t|f: Path is the main thing I'd think, but something else might be relevant, maybe
[02:12] t|f: Sounds like a non-node thing though
[02:13] softdrink: Mess up your .profile or the main .bashrc?
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[02:15] bhitee: t|f, what shd the perms for the bin be 
[02:16] Xenoraze: Nexxy: thanks for pointing me in the right direction I was able to patch my copy of manager.js to expose the remoteAddress
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[02:16] t|f: 755
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[02:16] bhitee: i did check path sometimes ago and even earlier today, added /usr/local/bin to it and restarted terminal but still no progress
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[02:18] softdrink: <Insanity Wolf> Change everything to 777 recursively from /
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[02:20] bhitee: u're seriously unserious <softdrink>
[02:20] bhitee: t|f thanks i finally figured it out thanks
[02:21] sorensen: softdrink: nice
[02:21] sorensen: lol
[02:21] abraxas: Has anyone here done any kind of data reduction in websockets? utf8 compatible text compression...
[02:21] softdrink: Yeah do NOT do what I said a minute ago
[02:21] t|f: Cool, out of curiousity..what was problem?
[02:21] sorensen: ahahahha
[02:21] bhitee: perms
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[02:21] sorensen: rm /usr?
[02:22] bhitee: <sorenson> why don't u rm -rf /
[02:22] bhitee: thanks once again t|f
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[02:23] t|f: I actually got bit once by rm -rf / wolf/sandbox  as root (note space), thankfully was in VMWare or some such instance
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[02:23] t|f: bhitee, very welcome
[02:23] sorensen: ahaha, nice correction 
[02:24] jamescarr: anyone here use mongoose-auth with their express app?
[02:24] sorensen: eh, never got into it, probably should
[02:24] sorensen: looked like it would be a bitch to do with sockets
[02:24] sorensen: what are you concerned about
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[02:28] mrryanjohnston: so i thinka tthis pioint i'm too tired to do productive coding, BUT
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[02:29] mrryanjohnston: i have events = require('events');
[02:29] mrryanjohnston: and eventEmitter = new events.EventEmitter()
[02:29] mrryanjohnston: later on in the code, I do an evenEmitter.emit('name', { foo: bar })
[02:30] mrryanjohnston: later on in the code, I do eventEmitter.on('name', function() {});
[02:30] mrryanjohnston: the eventEmitter.on never triggers
[02:30] mrryanjohnston: what am I doing wrong yo
[02:30] mrryanjohnston: I had it working earlier but I forget how I did it :3
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[02:35] Nexxy: Xenoraze, awesome! thanks :)
[02:35] drefined: jamescarr: yeah what about it?
[02:36] jamescarr: I deployed it to my site and started having problems recently... the callback for the password step never gets called
[02:36] jamescarr: works fine locally though
[02:36] jamescarr: so it's driving me nuts
[02:36] drefined: the authenticate?
[02:37] t|f: Anyone worked with Calipso CMS? 
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[02:40] jamescarr: yeah
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[02:46] perlmonkey2: In some MVC examples I've seen some people adding their controllers and models to the app object {app.controllers.myController, etc}, do many people do this? 
[02:48] mrryanjohnston: oh gosh darnit
[02:49] mrryanjohnston: I had it right.
[02:49] mrryanjohnston: was missing a ) in the client code.
[02:49] mrryanjohnston: ffffff
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[02:54] Xenoraze: mrryanjohnston: I tend to do that sort of thing a lot when I'm tired too
[02:55] blueadept: anybody catch the nodeup podcast? http://nodeup.com/
[02:55] blueadept: needs some intro music
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[02:57] t|f: Looks like jsDav is not working for me, neither is refresh for different reasons. Seem to be the only two WebDAV implementation for Node out there
[02:57] t|f: night all
[02:57] xerox: blueadept: cool thanks for the link
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[02:59] xerox: blueadept: urgh 150 MB
[02:59] xerox: how long is it? two hours?
[02:59] blueadept: ha yeah it's about 1hr 26m
[03:00] xerox: that's waaaaaaay too long for a podcast!
[03:00] blueadept: plus it's all technical
[03:00] blueadept: haha
[03:00] xerox: : )
[03:01] blueadept: they drive right into cross-browser testing
[03:01] blueadept: hardcore
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[03:02] unvamp: google+ and sparks makes finding nodejs articles easy
[03:02] xerox: it's hard to skip in an audio podcast
[03:02] xerox: one reason to keep them short
[03:02] blueadept: facebook should be scared of googles new social push
[03:02] xerox: (they have no indexes=
[03:02] xerox: plus people listen to them during commutes or short trips or ...
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[03:03] blueadept: xerox: what's interesting is that i have been lacking on my node testing
[03:03] unvamp: blueadept: i didn;t think they could pull it off, but they stopped that design by commity shit and let one person do his design magic
[03:03] blueadept: so about 1hr of node specific technical discussion on testing in particular is useful
[03:03] blueadept: yes
[03:03] blueadept: this is key
[03:04] blueadept: the design is killer
[03:04] blueadept: and by that i mean that it's just clean and it works and it's got good flow
[03:04] blueadept: this is what happens when you put engineers back in charge
[03:05] blueadept: because if anything the engineers will defer to those engineers that have solid UX, UI cred
[03:05] blueadept: business managers will just fuck everything up and have it go all to hell
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[03:09] blueadept: make a decision yokoe
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[03:14] mrryanjohnston: good night noders
[03:14] mrryanjohnston: thanks to everyone who demod my rps app today, btw :)
[03:14] mrryanjohnston: gotta love this community
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[03:20] blueadept: whats the url?
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[03:24] jerrysv: anyone have any thoughts about exposing private parts of modules for testing, but not in exports? is there an existing pattern for this?
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[03:24] jesusabdullah: What if you wrapped private parts in submodules?
[03:24] jerrysv: i'm not sure i like that
[03:25] jerrysv: was thinking maybe defining test before the module inclusion
[03:25] mikegerwitz: jerrysv: Don't test your privates. It's testing too close to the implementation. If they must be tested, you need further abstraction.
[03:25] jerrysv: and: var test = test || { }
[03:25] mikegerwitz: Of course, this is pulling heavily from testing with classical OO code. I'm not sure how your code is structured.
[03:26] jerrysv: mikegerwitz: normally i'd agree with you, but i only want to expose one function, and keep the rest private, but since the one function i'm expsosing is "createServer()" i want to be able to either overwrite in the module, or include a mock in the module
[03:26] jerrysv: i don't like either of those
[03:27] jerrysv: or expose more
[03:27] jerrysv: i am planning on using mock request and response objects in the tests
[03:27] mikegerwitz: jerrysv: Well, in a classical OO sense, your solution would be to inject the necessary dependencies so they can be mocked. It's likely that your module is doing too much if you ened to test private members
[03:28] jerrysv: so, in this case, it's not really privates (i mispoke), but more testing parts that i don't want to expose as a public api
[03:28] mikegerwitz: jerrysv: Then create a facade that would glue it all together, and that wouldn't need to be tested in the same sense
[03:28] jerrysv: eg, i don't want to expose that part of the api as a contract
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[03:28] jerrysv: hm.
[03:29] jerrysv: might complicate things a bit more, but that does give me room for thought
[03:29] mikegerwitz: jerrysv: That's what the facade is for :) to remove that complication and make the interface easy to use. I'm not sure the best way to go about what you're suggesting otherwise...
[03:30] mikegerwitz: jerrysv: You're encountering the same issues that most OOP do. The only difference here is that you're using "modules" instead of "classes"
[03:30] jerrysv: heh, true. and as i said, normally i'd agree
[03:30] howie: I'm having some trouble installing node from source on an ubuntu server.  I've gotten it to work before but am not sure what's different this time... Erroring out on the "make" step
[03:31] howie: anyone seen something like "Build failed:  -> task failed (err #2):  	{task: uv uv.h -> uv.a} "
[03:31] jerrysv: and i don't actually mind conceptually even making the request handler public
[03:31] jerrysv: hm. maybe i'll do that - that would add more flexibility anyways
[03:31] jerrysv: thanks for the sounding board!
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[03:32] mikegerwitz: jerrysv: np..sorry I can't be of much more help other than that
[03:33] jerrysv: s'ok! it helped clear my head
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[03:34] mikegerwitz: jerrysv: if you can find a copy or excerpts of the book "XUnit Test Patterns", it may have some useful tips in there too. It's been a while since I've looked it over, but you can apply many of the concepts to non-xunit-style testing
[03:35] mikegerwitz: jerrysv: dependency injection isn't the only solution
[03:36] jerrysv: i know, and i've been unit testing for years :) this is just a little bit different - not on the module front, but in what i'm trying to choose to expose
[03:36] mikegerwitz: jerrysv: ahh, alright then :)
[03:37] jerrysv: i'm looking for a tiny bit more freedom in the ability to change my api with very little consequences
[03:37] jerrysv: in short, i'm trying to be very selfish
[03:39] mikegerwitz: jerrysv: Well, if you change the public API, surely your tests will break regardless :)
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[03:43] jerrysv: ha. good point :)
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[03:45] Gigawatt: anyone good with SMTP Servers
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[03:46] Gigawatt: Everytime i send STARTTLS To google mail they close the connnection :(
[03:46] Gigawatt: Im assuming it's to do with the connection, i need to create a secure connection with Gmail via Sockets
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[03:49] jerrysv: gigawatt: did you ehlo?
[03:51] jerrysv: gigawatt: you should be able to simulate it by hitting it via telnet  do a ehlo, then it should tell you starttls is available, at which point it should work
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[03:58] Gigawatt: jerrysv, ive set up a small test here: https://gist.github.com/1057844
[03:59] Gigawatt: closes when i send AUTH LOGIN
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[04:03] jerrysv: AUTH LOGIN
[04:03] jerrysv: 502 5.5.1 Unrecognized command. q22si9058271bku.78
[04:03] Gigawatt: sorry you have to change HELO to EHLO
[04:03] jerrysv: if i do an ehlo, i get an instant disconnect at the auth login -- if i helo i get that
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[04:04] Gigawatt: google does not allow non secure connections
[04:04] Gigawatt: so you have to use the secure means
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[04:05] Gigawatt: ive been researching all night, and because nodes docs aint fully there yet it's hard to find out what i need to do
[04:05] Gigawatt: im going to try again tomorrow, you you happen to find a fix, can you PM me :)
[04:05] Gigawatt: Night all
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[04:43] odie5533: Where can I find example usage of Node.js?
[04:45] sorensen: what are you looking for? anything?
[04:45] odie5533: Pretty much.
[04:45] sorensen: uh
[04:46] sorensen: http://sorensen.no.de
[04:46] sorensen: is my current project
[04:46] odie5533: a big blank gray page?
[04:46] sorensen: :O
[04:46] sorensen: loaded for me in chrome
[04:46] sorensen: havnt browser tested
[04:46] sorensen: hehe
[04:46] odie5533: I worked on a similar project once, it was planned to be red but we decided it was too costly to go forward with.
[04:46] slickplaid: blank grey page for me in chrome
[04:47] sorensen: :O
[04:47] sorensen: 
ACTION shoots self

[04:47] odie5533: sorensen: any other examples? :D
[04:47] sorensen: must have broke it in my last push today... anyways...
[04:47] slickplaid: underscore doesn't seem to be loading
[04:48] slickplaid: sorensen: keyCandy, mustache, underscore all 404
[04:48] odie5533: lol your js is cached on your pc so no one else can use it
[04:48] sorensen: hahaha
[04:48] sorensen: that could be
[04:48] sorensen: i converted everything to submodules, mighta fucked up on joyent
[04:48] sorensen: how about... http://darkteal.org:8080/#/rooms/general
[04:48] odie5533: gray page.
[04:49] sorensen: hell
[04:49] sorensen: http://browserling.com
[04:49] sorensen: i feel ashamed now
[04:50] sorensen: at least i know something is wrong though
[04:50] jerrysv: http://legitimatesounding.com:8080/
[04:50] odie5533: Why do people use port 8080 for their node.js projects?
[04:50] jerrysv: node, redis, arduino
[04:50] sorensen: 8080 is the default port for node i think
[04:50] sorensen: and i can get to it from work :)
[04:50] jerrysv: odie5533: only because i have port 80 bound by something else until i rebuild my blog engine
[04:51] maushu: sorensen, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2326004/prevent-selection-in-html/2326028#2326028
[04:51] jerrysv: and this is a one-off for my freezer :)
[04:51] odie5533: jerrysv: redis?
[04:51] jerrysv: odie5533: yeah, as the data store for the temperature data
[04:52] odie5533: Is the thing running on a VPS? home PC? dedi?
[04:52] jerrysv: my server in a colo
[04:52] odie5533: so you just load up any apps you need, like redis? nice.
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[04:53] maushu: odie5533, try www.linode.com
[04:53] maushu: it's relatively cheap
[04:54] jerrysv: evening avianflu
[04:54] odie5533: Are any large sites using node.js?
[04:55] sorensen: maushu: regarding what?
[04:55] sorensen: http://calip.so
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[04:55] sorensen: http://howtonode.org
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[05:02] AvianFlu: sup jerrysv
[05:02] jerrysv: de nada. writing and testing, writing and testing.
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[05:04] AvianFlu: at least you're not testing and writing
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[06:40] euforic: any one here using nodester ?  I set up a socket.io chat and I am trying to connect remotely but cant through port 80 and I dont have access to the apps listening port ?
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[07:35] CIA-110: node: 03Yoshihiro KIKUCHI 07v0.4 * r99b210d 10/ lib/tty_posix.js : 
[07:35] CIA-110: node: tiny fixes in tty_posix.js
[07:35] CIA-110: node: Close #1158
[07:35] CIA-110: node: Close #1160
[07:35] CIA-110: node: Close #1252 - http://bit.ly/m8LrfM
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[07:37] tuhoojabotti: tiny fixes don't usually close 3 issues :D
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[07:38] tuhoojabotti: hah
[07:38] tuhoojabotti: changed === to !==
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[07:38] tuhoojabotti: and l -> L
[07:38] tuhoojabotti: :P
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[07:38] `3rdEden: Fixes Y U NO INCLUDE TESTCASE
[07:40] tuhoojabotti: Testing is for people who write bad code. :/
[07:40] tuhoojabotti: ":D"
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[07:45] espadrine`: Hello!
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[07:45] espadrine`: When installing node.js, I couldn't make doc
[07:45] espadrine`: Got an error in markdown.js
[07:46] tuhoojabotti: espadrine`: Do you need it?
[07:46] espadrine`: like this: /Users/administrator/?/?/node/tools/doctool/markdown.js:152
[07:46] espadrine`:   if ( ( m = (/^(\s*\n)/)(input) ) != null ) {
[07:46] espadrine`: I wish I had it
[07:46] tuhoojabotti: I just read the api doc online. :P
[07:46] espadrine`: yes, but... you know... man pages are always handy
[07:47] espadrine`: you're not always online
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[07:49] espadrine`: Anybody knows what I should do, or why this happened?
[07:49] espadrine`: This error seems legit.
[07:49] espadrine`: But it probably isn't
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[07:52] tuhoojabotti: I'm always online. :/'
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[07:54] espadrine`: I often want to program while on a train, so...
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[07:56] tuhoojabotti: Copy the api locally
[07:56] tuhoojabotti: :D
[07:56] tuhoojabotti: the site
[07:56] tuhoojabotti: save it
[07:56] tuhoojabotti: :P
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[08:01] espadrine`: well, sure, but man pages are feitherweight
[08:01] espadrine`: I only code in the terminal, so it's literally always three keystrokes away
[08:01] tuhoojabotti: So you also have low hdd space.
[08:01] tuhoojabotti: ;)
[08:02] espadrine`: now I do, yes
[08:02] espadrine`: old computers...
[08:03] tuhoojabotti: :)
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[08:27] Benjie: Does node have an statement akin to include? require() creates a new namespace for the module, I want to use the same namespace if possible.
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[08:32] dall: hello
[08:32] jonaslund: Benjie: check the VM modules functionality
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[08:34] jonaslund: worst case you'll have to load the file manually before evaluating
[08:34] Benjie: jonaslund, thanks :)
[08:35] jonaslund: np
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[08:37] jonaslund: I loved require when i first discovered it.. unfortunally it goes badly with hot-code replacement/reloading
[08:37] jonaslund: (Then again most code does so if you don't think it through)
[08:40] tim_smart: jonaslund: I don't think hot code reloading is a very good idea with the v8 vm
[08:41] tim_smart: It isn't really designed for that
[08:41] tim_smart: Best method is to spin up more than one worker process and reload them one at a time.
[08:42] jonaslund: err,, you do know that you can push code changes at runtime from the eclipse plugin?
[08:42] jonaslund: but it wasn't that i was referring to
[08:42] tim_smart: LiveEdit is a debug tool
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[08:43] jonaslund: i was thinking more of the erlang way of doing things
[08:43] jonaslund: have determined structures and push changes
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[08:43] jonaslund: for the mutation code
[08:43] jonaslund: and keep the data between reloads
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[08:44] tim_smart: While it is possible to do in node, it isn't a very good idea.
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[08:45] tim_smart: But you have to intentionally structure your code differently to do it.
[08:45] tim_smart: It can lead to memory leaks etc.
[08:45] jonaslund: why would that lead to more memory leaks ?
[08:46] tim_smart: Creating aditional references that could get caught up in closures
[08:47] tim_smart: *additional
[08:47] jonaslund: assuming the closures get to live
[08:47] jonaslund: but closures are exactly why require is a bad match for hot code reloading
[08:48] tim_smart: erlang does it well because it was designed to do it well, v8 / node has not.
[08:48] jonaslund: it's more about JS
[08:49] jonaslund: code reloading is simple because you are really forced to behave well
[08:49] jonaslund: in JS you ain't
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[08:51] tim_smart: Well the very fact that JS is so dynamic doesn't help.
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[09:04] jonaslund: erl is pretty dynamic aswell.. but since they force all data to explicit structures and avoid circular refs it helps
[09:05] jonaslund: silly to compare them
[09:05] jonaslund: but since JS is dynamic hot reloading is just a step away
[09:06] jonaslund: the big question is if we should enforce conventions that makes it harder or easier
[09:07] jonaslund: for me atleast the thing that mainly resides in the global namespace is functions and constructors (and their prototypes)
[09:08] jonaslund: now require makes private namespaces.. and that is great for separation of data,etc but it doesn't help if you want to update things on the fly
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[09:09] jonaslund: If i ignore modules i can update code with the repl
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[09:11] jonaslund: hmmmm
[09:11] jonaslund: right now the header a required module in node is something like function (exports,module..) {
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[09:12] jonaslund: could modify it to function (exports,module..) { module.eval=function(x) { return eval(x); };
[09:12] jonaslund: and one could moduleEval("modulepath","blabla...");
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[09:12] jonaslund: (or something similiar)
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[09:18] dall: guys, where can i see the parameters to pass to Error module?
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[09:19] dall: i some examples i found throw new Error("404 not found");
[09:19] dall: can i only pass a string?
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[09:20] jonaslund: you can pass anything
[09:20] dall: also the code?
[09:21] dall: example Error("not found", 404)
[09:21] dall: =
[09:21] dall: ?
[09:22] jonaslund: new Error({msg:"Blabla",code:404})
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[09:22] jonaslund: however.. look at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1382107/whats-a-good-way-to-extend-error-in-javascript
[09:23] dall: yes interesting.......an object ......and then create all the properties i want
[09:23] dall: good
[09:23] dall: i see the link
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[09:24] jonaslund: I guess it's a matter of style
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[09:25] dall: yes
[09:25] jonaslund: be careful with exceptions though
[09:25] jonaslund: since you need someone to catch them
[09:25] dall: jonaslund, yes....i'm using Express
[09:26] dall: i can do next(new Error());
[09:26] dall: then express will catch the exception
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[09:33] tim_smart: SubStack: ping
[09:33] tuhoojabotti: pong
[09:33] tuhoojabotti: I like this game!
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[09:37] tim_smart: browserify people: Creating a browser bundled version of a package; the code is designed to run in multiple runtimes and I want to package a version for the browser.
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[09:37] tim_smart: The best way to do this with browserify is...
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[09:52] espadrine`: Does somebody know why `make doc` doesn't work when building the troff pages?
[09:52] espadrine`: I get : /Users/administrator/?/?/node/tools/doctool/markdown.js:152
[09:52] espadrine`:   if ( ( m = (/^(\s*\n)/)(input) ) != null ) {
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[09:53] espadrine`: (using the head of the master node.js branch)
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[10:08] dall: hmmm
[10:08] dall: guys if i do console.log(err)
[10:08] dall: i see
[10:08] dall: Error: 500
[10:08] dall: is it normal?       (500 is the number i passed)
[10:10] dall: why it pass 'Error:' string  before �_�
[10:10] dall: i only waould handle the number or object i passed to it
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[10:15] dexter_e: Anyone know how to put JSON strings into a Mustache render?
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[10:17] sth: dexter_e: stringify it and then display it?
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[10:18] dexter_e: Thats what I'm doing but it comes out looking like this : {&quot;_id&quot;:&quot;aa63a8d
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[10:18] dexter_e: a bunch of:  &quot;  instead of a string that I can just eval after it arrives in browser
[10:18] dexter_e: it seems to be working but mustache seems to convert the " "  to &quot; &quot;  
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[10:19] Murvin: people still awake? lol
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[10:56] Kaitsu: Hey can anyone help me with Node's VM module?
[10:57] yorick: possibly
[10:57] Kaitsu: Whenever I run code that contains fs.readFile for instance in VM, then the code will never execute the callback
[10:57] Kaitsu: the same code works outside of VM
[10:57] Kaitsu: for some reason, VM code can't read/find files
[10:58] Kaitsu: whether it's absolute or relative
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[10:59] Kaitsu: e.g. var fs = require('fs'); fs.readFile('/home/kai/test', callback); <-- if I run that code in VM it won't find the file and never execute the callback even though the code works outside of VM
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[11:03] Skola: Love the podcast by Felix, James and Isaac
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[11:05] Kaitsu: Actually, it seems I can't do require('any_module') in code that I run in VM
[11:05] framlin: Skola: do u have the url for that podcast?
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[11:06] Skola: http://nodeup.com/
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[11:08] paul_uk: hi all, hope someone can help.  trying to install node-expat and I keep on getting ImportError: No module named Scripting then later `sh "-c" "node-waf configure build"` failed with 1.  I'm running node v0.49 and npm v1.0.15
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[11:18] ironyboy: any socket.io users able to help me with a problem?
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[11:19] paul_uk: ironybox maybe try #socket.io or the google groups if you get no answer :)
[11:19] ironyboy: @paul_uk - I have :(
[11:19] paul_uk: anyone know what the wafadmin tools are?  I keep on getting node-waf configure build Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/node-waf", line 14, in <module> import Scripting ImportError: No module named Scripting
[11:19] paul_uk: then ask the Q and wait for an answer
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[11:21] paul_uk: could it be my version of python?  python-2.6.4-27
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[11:22] ironyboy: I seem not to be able to pick up a message on a specific socket using socket.io, but can when broadcasting to all, yet from the client I can't see why that would be the case
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[11:24] negev: hi, latest node is failing to compile on ubuntu 10.4.2 lucid -  uv-linux.c:34: error: ‘NANOSEC’ undeclared (first use in this function)
[11:25] Kaitsu: Is there a better way to manage hot reloads for Node other than monitoring filesystem changes for .js files and restarting the server?
[11:26] kuya: SubStack: you there?
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[11:47] johncarse: Is anyone using IntelliJ's NodeJS plugin for development/debugging?
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[11:52] johncarse: I guess it's late in the US
[11:52] johncarse: I'm in Japan. Anyone here in Japan?
[11:53] mega: im in sweden :D
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[11:56] johncarse: It must be early afternoon in Sweden.
[11:56] devaholic: its morning in the US
[11:56] johncarse: I guess it probably is.
[11:56] jonaslund_: 13:56 over here
[11:56] devaholic: 6:54
[11:56] jonaslund_: (sweden)
[11:56] devaholic: how's that sun
[11:56] johncarse: My son lives in Texas.. Austin.
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[11:56] mega: i dont se a node.js plugin in the plugins tag johncarse
[11:57] tuhoojabotti: I'm in Finland.
[11:57] tuhoojabotti: 14:57 Finland :P
[11:57] jonaslund_: (What was that about sweden when i joined?)
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[11:57] devaholic: who's using dnode? my project got raaaped when i updated
[11:57] johncarse: http://plugins.intellij.net/plugin/?webide&id=6098
[11:57] devaholic: only dnode@0.7.2 is working for me >.>
[11:58] pigmej: what's recommended mysql driver?
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[11:58] devaholic: i meant how is the sun, dont you guys (fin/swede) get like 20 hours of sunlight a day right now or something ridiculous like that
[11:59] johncarse: I'm new to node, but it looks REALLY interesting.. as I'm sure you all believe
[11:59] devaholic: derrp
[11:59] johncarse: I've been working a lot of today on getting a development environment up and running..
[11:59] mega: is there 20 hours of sun here :O
[11:59] mega: dont think so
[11:59] devaholic: isnt there a lot though?
[12:00] devaholic: i spoke with a guy from norway, maybe he is waaay farther north
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[12:00] Ezku\: devaholic: no, you're quite right
[12:00] mega: yea if he is beyond a serten line
[12:00] squeese: Im in south part of norway, its close to 20h sun, but not quite
[12:00] jobim: same here, except fin
[12:01] squeese: however, in the norhtern part (where Im born) its soon going to be 24h ;)
[12:01] jonaslund: damn what a fin invasion :P
[12:01] jonaslund: err
[12:01] jonaslund: squeese: we've passed the top point already
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[12:01] Ezku\: helsinki (souther finland) has a bit less than 19 hours between sunrise and sunset
[12:01] Ezku\: +n
[12:01] squeese: oh, ok :)
[12:01] devaholic: see mega, told u
[12:02] jonaslund: june 20th-23rd or smth like that i think
[12:02] devaholic: tryin to trick me ;)
[12:02] Ezku\: so a bit norther up you'd easily get 20h
[12:02] jonaslund: it'll just keep getting darker from now on :(
[12:02] jonaslund: atleast the women are still wearing short shorts :D
[12:02] devaholic: i dont know if i would find that really awesome or if it'd drive me crazy but i'd like to experience at least one haha
[12:02] devaholic: i bet the reverse in the winters really sucks balls, tbh
[12:02] squeese: well, its not really "hot" 20 hours.. :)
[12:03] Ezku\: plus it's a 25C heat wave right now, which for us finns is more than adequate
[12:03] johncarse: Has anyone used IntelliJ for NodeJS development?
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[12:03] devaholic: 25c a heat wave lol
[12:03] mega: im instaling it :D
[12:03] Ezku\: the sunsets at midsummer tend to be awesome.
[12:03] squeese: devaholic: not really, if youre a nerd - summer is a constant guilt trip "I should be outside doing stuff", winter is just right, no guilt trip - always stay inside and geek! :D
[12:03] johncarse: mega, I'm hoping that it makes more sense to you than me..
[12:03] Ezku\: squeese: correct :D
[12:03] devaholic: endless night
[12:03] mega: its not working for you?
[12:04] devaholic: missing the few hours of sunlight in the winter could be depressing
[12:04] jonaslund: johncarse: last i heard you needed a beta version of webstorm to get that plugin working
[12:04] devaholic: if you slept through it on accident or something lol
[12:04] jonaslund: (No idea how closely related webstorm/intellij are)
[12:04] johncarse: According to the site, it has support for IDEA
[12:04] johncarse: And.. I can get it to run the script.
[12:04] Ezku\: devaholic: they're in the middle of the day, so it can even be likely that you'll miss it
[12:05] johncarse: However, it doesn't seem to be exactly working..
[12:05] jonaslund: devaholic: I had the bad habit of pulling allnighters (acquired during shiny summers) and it can really backfire during the winter yeah
[12:05] Ezku\: like, there's sunlight from afternoon to late afternoon... if you stay at work past, say, 5, it's already gone.
[12:05] jonaslund: 
ACTION used to live some 40kms south of the polar circle

[12:05] johncarse: It wants a "Path to Node App JS File" -- and I have no idea what it is..
[12:06] johncarse: For some reason, I think it's a file that describes the node API for the intellisense stuff ..
[12:06] devaholic: you dont need intellisense, use the force
[12:07] mega: or the docs :P
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[12:07] mrryanjohnston: hey guys, I'm experiencing some weirdness with my code and was hoping someone could point me in the right direction: https://github.com/rjohnston/svn-monitor-node. I have an svn hook doing `curl -i -H "Accept: application/json" -X POST -d "author=$AUTHOR&comment=$COMMENT&diff=$DIFF" http://localhost:3000`. It fires, causing the socket.io to send the commit to the user's screen. However, when I reload the page, the commit is s
[12:07] devaholic: interesting to learn about that, ezku, jonaslund
[12:08] paul_uk: hi all, hope someone can help.  trying to install node-expat and I keep on getting ImportError: No module named Scripting then later `sh "-c" "node-waf configure build"` failed with 1.  I'm running node v0.49 and npm v1.0.15
[12:08] jonaslund: the summer is great though
[12:08] mrryanjohnston: The first commit will show up once, the second shows up 2 times, the third 4, the fourth 5 times, the fifth 6 times
[12:08] jonaslund: because just before midsummer the sun is only just below the horizon
[12:08] mrryanjohnston: paul_uk: do you have the "Scripting" module installed?
[12:08] jonaslund: so if you're out boozing you sometimes find yourself chatting at a girl at 3am without even realizing the time
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[12:08] devaholic: paul_uk your node/npm versions seem whack.
[12:08] jonaslund: since the sun never set
[12:09] jonaslund: (or it did set but it was bright enough that you didn't notice)
[12:09] paul_uk: mrryanjohnston, there is no scripting module
[12:09] mrryanjohnston: paul_uk: ah, well then, what dev said
[12:09] paul_uk: devaholic, yeah i thought that might be the case, but what should they be?
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[12:09] paul_uk: npm 2.x or something?
[12:10] devaholic: <jonaslund> : that late night sun would be AWESOME i think
[12:10] devaholic: do npm install n
[12:10] devaholic: then use n to install 0.4.7 or something
[12:10] devaholic: might have better luck with that
[12:11] devaholic: or perhaps, check the package.json of what you are installing 
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[12:11] paul_uk: devaholic, it says n@0.4.1 ./node_modules/n
[12:11] Ezku\: devaholic: right... sorry for the off-topic :)
[12:12] devaholic: sorry, n is just a package to easily change your node version
[12:13] devaholic: the version of n doesnt matter ;)
[12:13] paul_uk: ok so im still confused at what i should do.  
[12:13] paul_uk: am i running to close to the edge?
[12:14] devaholic: yeah possibly
[12:14] devaholic: if you install n okay, just try n 0.4.7 which is the stable version of node
[12:14] paul_uk: isn't 0.4.9 the stable version?
[12:14] devaholic: if that still doesnt work, i'd investigate the package.json of whatever you are installing, unless its a reportes issue with that package
[12:15] paul_uk: this is the package.json https://github.com/astro/node-xmpp/blob/master/package.json
[12:15] devaholic: i think its 0.4.7, but i could be wrong
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[12:15] devaholic: and yeah if its not a dependency issue and its somethign with the project itself then we are just blowing hot air
[12:15] paul_uk: 2011.06.29 node-v0.4.9.tar.gz   thats what they have on the nodejs site
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[12:16] paul_uk: devaholic, ok well thanks.  i have opened an issue on the github for the project.  so im gonna leave it at that
[12:16] devaholic: i'd still give an earlier version of node a try, it's pretty easy to do
[12:16] devaholic: "engine": "node >=0.4.0"
[12:16] devaholic: thats pretty far from 0.4.9
[12:17] paul_uk: isn't he saying it should just be greater or equal to 0.4.0
[12:17] paul_uk: as in if you are 0.2.x then you should upgraed?
[12:17] devaholic: yes
[12:18] devaholic: but if he created it when 0.4.0 came out that was quite a while ago, is all
[12:18] devaholic: not really worth debating about
[12:20] johncarse: I got the IntelliJ plugin working.
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[12:21] johncarse: The "Path to Node App JS File" is your js that you want to debug
[12:22] johncarse: There is no "type" of project that is write for creating the initial project, from what I can tell.
[12:23] johncarse: You create a run/debug configuration with the path to node and the path to your js file.. you'll have one configuration for each, I guess
[12:23] johncarse: write.. right
[12:23] hash3g: hi there, could somebody help me with installing node.js from git? I have error https://gist.github.com/1055024.
[12:23] johncarse: And, when you click debug, it brings up the browser. 
[12:24] johncarse: ..I'm sorry.. not a browser.. it brings up the debug console.
[12:24] johncarse: You can set breakpoints, etc.. seems to work ok.
[12:24] paul_uk: Anyone here using Fedora (13) and running node-expat ?
[12:26] devaholic: johncarse sounds cool
[12:26] devaholic: is that the one that looks like the chrome debugger?
[12:27] johncarse: No, it doesn't quite look the chrome debugger... 
[12:27] johncarse: I found something called node-inspector that uses chrome to do the debugging.
[12:27] johncarse: I may switch to that.
[12:27] devaholic: hash3g do you have g++ or something installed?
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[12:28] johncarse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOnK3NVnxL8
[12:28] devaholic: johncarse: ah, hrm, i bookmarked a debugger tool that let you do as you described, it had the same UI as the chrome dev tools, seemed pretty powerful
[12:28] devaholic: i want to track it down now...
[12:29] mrryanjohnston: ah nevermind I got it
[12:29] hash3g: devaholic, I have both gcc and g++ installed
[12:29] devaholic: it had a pretty simple name, iirc
[12:29] mrryanjohnston: There's somethiung a little nutty with socket.io
[12:29] johncarse: Check that link.. http://www.contentwithstyle.co.uk/content/debug-your-node-js-with-node-inspector/
[12:29] CIA-110: libuv: 03Igor Zinkovsky 07master * r320057d 10/ (17 files in 2 dirs): uv_stream_t - http://bit.ly/md3AtA
[12:29] devaholic: oh, yeah thats it
[12:29] devaholic: haha.
[12:29] devaholic: you dont think that looks like chrome?!
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[12:30] johncarse: no.. it doesn't look like chrome.. it is chrome
[12:30] johncarse: ;)
[12:30] johncarse: He sets up a web server to send the javascript to chrome to debug.
[12:30] devaholic: ohh
[12:31] devaholic: ... still ... looks ... like
[12:31] johncarse: yes.. just like
[12:33] devaholic: heh
[12:33] devaholic: its a pretty cool project
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[12:37] devaholic:  sigh.. dnode connections keep dying without any event or error or anything
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[12:41] hash3g: any suggestion? i do not know gcc to make nodejs compilation work
[12:42] johncarse: hash3g, what OS are you using?
[12:43] hash3g: johncarse, ubuntu 11.04 x86_64
[12:43] johncarse: sudo apt-get install node
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[12:43] johncarse: might be.. sudo apt-get install nodejs
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[12:43] johncarse: it'll be 0.4.9
[12:44] johncarse: you're running the same OS as I am..
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[12:48] hash3g: apt successfully installed nodejs but when i install npm I have errors like "Error: Cannot find module 'semver'" and so on
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[12:49] hash3g: https://gist.github.com/1058475 complete log of "curl  http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sh"
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[12:55] onr: hash3g: which version of nodejs your apt installed?
[12:56] hash3g: щткЖ v0.2.6
[12:56] hash3g: onr: v0.2.6
[12:57] onr: hash3g: you should build from source
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[12:58] hash3g: onr: i tried but have an error when doing make. see https://gist.github.com/1055024.
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[13:03] onr: hash3g: hmm. sorry i cant help you
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[13:18] hdon: hi all :) i have done "npm -g install db-mysql" and it installed in /usr/local/lib/node/node_modules. when i strace node require('db-mysql') i notice it is not looking in /usr/local/lib/node/node_modules, it only looks in /usr/local/lib/node. any help?
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[13:22] hdon: OH.. i have no /usr/local/lib/node/node_modules, i have /usr/local/lib/node_modules !
[13:23] hdon: for now, then, it appears that a NODE_PATH of /usr/local/lib/node_modules works, however i am afraid this is probably not ideal
[13:23] hdon: anyone with any advice please /msg me :)
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[13:25] appa: hi
[13:25] appa: i'm getting an error building node on ubuntu
[13:26] appa: of  error: ‘NANOSEC’ undeclared
[13:26] appa: any ideas?
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[13:27] devaholic: ahhh ive seen that one
[13:27] devaholic: cant remember how to fix it though, sorry
[13:27] appa: hmm
[13:27] appa: :)
[13:27] appa: any pointers?
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[13:30] taf2: building node.js master on linux fails... NANOSEC is undefined in uv-linux.c
[13:30] taf2: just finished running grep -r NANOSEC /usr/include/  and found no references to that const.... 
[13:30] appa: yeah
[13:30] appa: facing the same error
[13:30] taf2: looks like a node.js specific const?
[13:31] taf2: see it defined in test-hrtime.c when it's not defined...
[13:31] appa: i've googled it, and not finding anyone else running into the same issue...
[13:31] taf2: the comment in uv-linux.c is interesting: There's probably some way to get time from Linux than gettimeofday()
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[13:33] taf2: appa, i have a patch, https://gist.github.com/1058549
[13:34] taf2: would be nice to address the comment though...
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[13:34] appa: thanks!
[13:34] appa: let me try that out
[13:35] appa: that worked, thanks much
[13:35] taf2: the real bugger with node.js for me is on mac though... it's use of #include <platform.h> in places where it should be #include "platform.h" //  use < when it's a system library dep and " when it's a project specific header...
[13:35] taf2: sucks because tidy has the same header 
[13:36] taf2: what's the best way to get patches into node :)
[13:38] mrryanjohnston: taf2: github :3
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[13:39] taf2: https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1003
[13:39] taf2: mrryanjohnston, yeah... i wish my issue 1003 would get fixed
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[13:40] taf2: can you see if that would break anything... my understanding is if headerX is part of your project use "" otherwise use <>
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[13:40] taf2: if you have tidy-devel installed you can't build node.js
[13:40] mrryanjohnston: taf2: I'm not the right guy to ask about that :P
[13:41] mrryanjohnston: have you tried pinging ryah_ in here?
[13:41] nail_: heh, I clicked the github link and thought that was my face... cognitive dissonance
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[13:42] mrryanjohnston: taf2: perhaps send him a /msg
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[13:43] taf2: done thanks :)
[13:43] samBiotic: Is there any way to specify a local path to a dependency using npm?
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[13:43] mrryanjohnston: taf2: sure thing. sorry i can't be of more help :)
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[13:44] hdon: hi all :) npm -g install installs in /usr/local/lib/node_modules but node looks in /usr/local/lib/node -- any idea why the discrepancy?
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[13:54] mega: anny node developers here?
[13:54] bnoordhuis: mega: yes
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[13:55] mega: i meant contributors sorry 
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[13:55] mega: still true?
[13:55] pigmej: anyone using mongose /
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[13:57] bnoordhuis: mega: still true
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[13:58] Gigawatt: anyone know how to upgrade a socket to tls?
[13:58] Gigawatt: https://gist.github.com/848444
[13:58] Gigawatt: I can't figure it out
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[13:59] mega: bnoordhuis: i whant to help contributing anny pointers on something to start on?
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[14:00] bnoordhuis: mega: one thing we could really use is bug triage
[14:00] bnoordhuis: mega: the issue tracker is building up a big backlog and most of those issues are probably not relevant anymore
[14:01] bnoordhuis: mega: i'm trying to work through it myself but they're coming in faster than one man can resolve them
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[14:01] mega: so check if there still relevant?
[14:02] bnoordhuis: mega: yes
[14:02] bnoordhuis: mega: not the most glamorous work in the world
[14:02] bnoordhuis: mega: but needed
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[14:03] pigmej: is anyone using Mongoose ?
[14:03] pigmej: I'm interested if it supports Replica setup
[14:04] bnoordhuis: okay, gtg
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[14:18] dall: what is the difference betweek exports.myFunction = myFunction     and module.exports = myFunction ?
[14:19] jbroman: dall: Whatever module.exports is set to will be what will be returned when someone runs require('mymodule')
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[14:19] jbroman: If you set exports to a function, then reaching your function will look like this: var myfunc = require('mymodule'); myfunc(1, 2, 3);
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[14:20] jbroman: If you set a property on the exports object, then it will look like this: var mymodule = require('mymodule'); mymodule.myfunc(1, 2, 3);
[14:20] jbroman: You can assign any sort of data you'd like to module.exports, and it will be returned when your module is required. By default, there is an empty object there that you can assign properties to, but you are totally free to put whatever you want.
[14:20] dall: jbroman, perfect!
[14:20] dall: thank you alot
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[14:27] pigmej: Lol
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[14:27] pigmej: did mongose really need to restart app to reconnect to mongo :|
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[14:32] taf2: any thoughts on having node's c++ headers in a sub folder?  e.g. node/* ... this would help avoid issues like https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/1003
[14:33] taf2: v8 also has  a platform.h
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[14:41] dexter_e: Does npm have a central place it keeps track of installed packages?  It seems that when I copy an entire App it still uses files from the old location...
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[14:45] blup: is it possible to call a node.io process from a regular nodejs module, and retrieve the results as a variable?
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[14:53] level09: any 1 worked with JSdom 
[14:53] level09: or request 
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[14:53] level09: I'm looking for a library to fetch HTML pages while being able to set the user agent
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[14:54] dexter_e: Yeah I've been trying to figure out JSDOM too
[14:55] dexter_e: like can we insert a script tag with inline JSON strings
[14:55] mandric: hello i am running node 0.4.5 and npm 1.0.6 and wondering why it seems node does not see the /usr/lib/node_modules/ directory. i.e.  npm install -g <module> does not work as expected.
[14:55] mandric: do i need to upgrade or is it something else?
[14:55] kuya: SubStack: is there a way to make dnode look down the prototype chain?
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[14:57] onr: he who knows js and c can conquer the world
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[15:00] pigmej: I wonder who 'invented' that connection fuckup in mongoose...
[15:00] pigmej: how a 'well tested' + 'popular' library
[15:00] pigmej: can behave like this ;/
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[15:01] taf2: what's the issue?
[15:01] pigmej: when the connection to mongo breaks
[15:01] pigmej: you need to restart application
[15:01] pigmej: also I have no idae how to use replicas in mongose
[15:02] pigmej: mongoose
[15:02] dvv: have you created the bug reports?
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[15:02] taf2: pigmej, you're saying there's no way to call mongoose.connect again on a disconnect?
[15:02] pigmej: dw: reported in april
[15:03] taf2: can you link to the report
[15:03] pigmej: sure
[15:03] pigmej: for me the mongoose 
[15:03] pigmej: seems to be a 'joke'
[15:03] pigmej: https://github.com/LearnBoost/mongoose/issues/306
[15:03] taf2: keep it productive ;-) and jokes and be overcome
[15:04] pigmej: also I have no idea if you can use replicas in mongoose
[15:04] pigmej: if not another fail :)
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[15:05] taf2: s/and/can
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[15:08] pigmej: also
[15:08] pigmej: the same problem
[15:08] pigmej: is with winston-mongo
[15:08] pigmej: it can't connect to replicas also
[15:09] onr: pigmej: redis<3
[15:09] pigmej: it's not the same
[15:09] pigmej: completelly different usecase
[15:09] pigmej: also.. redis
[15:09] pigmej: doesn't have a proper cluster setup
[15:10] pigmej: only some master-slave 'shit'
[15:10] pigmej: ;-)
[15:10] onr: mongo = redis+serialization+indexes
[15:10] CIA-110: libuv: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r0259b67 10/ (uv-unix.c uv-unix.h): unix: Fix uv_getaddrinfo() - http://bit.ly/jtlRS6
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[15:10] pigmej: ?
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[15:12] taf2: pigmej, mongoose uses node-mongodb-native internally and it has notes on how to connect to a replica set... might have a look https://github.com/christkv/node-mongodb-native/blob/master/docs/replicaset.md
[15:12] pigmej: taf2: so how to pass it to mongoose ?
[15:12] pigmej: also... there is a bug
[15:12] taf2: also, i bet from those docs there is a close event... and could also listen to that...
[15:12] pigmej: because you can't specify options
[15:12] pigmej: for that :P
[15:13] pigmej: (it's also in github bugtracker)
[15:13] taf2: then it might be worth a fork
[15:13] pigmej: also not resolved
[15:13] pigmej: taf2: sorry.... for me it means 'that lib is a joke'
[15:13] pigmej: for 'small blogs'
[15:13] pigmej: maybe
[15:13] pigmej: for bigger things => not possible
[15:13] pigmej: also the reaction...
[15:13] pigmej: 2 months and even not commented..
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[15:19] SingAlong: hey all!
[15:21] taf2: pigmej, http://groups.google.com/group/mongoose-orm/browse_thread/thread/433eb99a1d7256c4
[15:21] SingAlong: I installed node via brew on my Mac and then npm. When I install a node package, I'm not able to find the binary of the pkg. for ex: I installed coffee-script using "npm install coffee-script", and I'm not able to find the coffee binary
[15:21] onr: SingAlong: npm install coffee-script -g
[15:22] taf2: SingAlong, check $PATH
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[15:22] pigmej: taf2: read second post;D
[15:22] taf2: pigmej, also: https://github.com/LearnBoost/mongoose/issues/217
[15:22] SingAlong: taf2: I don't find any node stuff in the path.
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[15:23] SingAlong: taf2: should I add any dir to $PATH to be able to use node package binaries?
[15:23] taf2: i think try what onr said first SingAlong
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[15:24] SingAlong: onr: sorry missed what you posted
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[15:24] pigmej: taf2: "This issue was closed" + no answer
[15:24] SingAlong: onr: taf2: thanks! worked.
[15:24] pigmej: fom the devs;D
[15:24] chjj: SingAlong: thats one way to do it, otherwise use npm with '-g'
[15:24] taf2: pigmej, i believe as it is resolved... also for your autoreconnect try this: http://groups.google.com/group/mongoose-orm/browse_thread/thread/f41f87ae5e0d880a
[15:25] SingAlong: chjj: I got it working by using the -g option. But just curious as to which dir I to add to path.
[15:25] chjj: youd look in package.json
[15:25] onr: SingAlong: current ./node_modules
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[15:25] pigmej: taf2: "but now the server just doesn't get results when I do queries 
[15:25] pigmej: after it has disconnected. "
[15:25] pigmej: not a solution :)
[15:25] SingAlong: onr: thanks again :)
[15:26] onr: SingAlong: np :)
[15:26] chjj: it will say "bin": "./"
[15:26] chjj: etc
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[15:27] chjj: but if youre using npm, its pointless, just do npm install -g
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[15:52] taf2: pigmej, https://gist.github.com/1058819  there code to reconnect to mongodb using mongoose... 
[15:53] pigmej: ok one bug solved
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[15:54] CIA-110: libuv: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r17ee773 10/ (config-unix.mk uv-unix.c): 
[15:54] CIA-110: libuv: unix: All objects should be compiled with _LARGEFILE_SOURCE and _FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64
[15:54] CIA-110: libuv: Fixes uv_getaddrinfo on linux - http://bit.ly/lROWDB
[15:54] taf2: w00t!
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[15:56] taf2: pigmej, just updated didn't need the extra setTimeout
[15:56] taf2: perhaps the only challenging thing about this was.... mongoose.connection.db.on('close' ...
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[15:57] taf2: sorry and having to force mongoose.connection.readyState = 0
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[15:58] level09: how Do I log something ? I'm using node server.js > debug.log but I cant find my console.log calls in the output
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[16:00] taf2: level09, output from console.log will go to STDOUT... you *should* be seeing that output in debug.log
[16:00] bnoordhuis: level09: console.error() and redirect stderr to debug.log
[16:00] taf2: i'ts buffered... 
[16:00] pigmej: taf2: well... i didin't even started writing using it 
[16:00] pigmej: just read the bug reports
[16:00] taf2: read less english more code :P
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[16:01] level09: taf2: thanks, strange I cant see my log messages, perhaps that part of code is not reached
[16:01] taf2: very likely...
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[16:01] level09: taf2: is process.exit() the correct way to terminate the executing ? could it be executed somehow before the console.log ? 
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[16:02] taf2: level09, yeah, i use process.exit to exit also... it's possible but without seeing  can't be sure :)
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[16:03] bnoordhuis: level09: `node debug script.js` will start your script in debug mode
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[16:03] taf2: level09, try like bnoordhuis says and use console.error and node server.js >debug.js 2>&1
[16:04] level09: taf2: what does &1 mean at the end ?
[16:04] taf2: 2>&1 means redirect stderr into stdout
[16:04] level09: ah alright thanks 
[16:04] level09: got it
[16:05] taf2: stderr is unbuffered... so if you're logging to stdout and not seeing it ... could be buffered e.g. not enough output to spill into the file
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[16:30] CIA-110: libuv: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r35e1c62 10/ uv-linux.c : Fix hrtime on linux - http://bit.ly/mzxL4p
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[16:34] mrryanjohnston: Wow. the everyauth module is incredibly well documented.
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[16:35] dexter_e: Change default VIEWS fold for express?  Anyone?
[16:35] tjholowaychuk: app.set('views', path)
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[16:36] dexter_e: tjholowaychuk: Monsterous! Thank You very much!
[16:36] meg`: express has views ... :D
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[16:42] braddunbar: Is there a way to get a stack trace from a call stack overflow?
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[16:47] mega: catching it seems to give you an empty object
[16:47] mega: :(
[16:47] kkaefer: so..., suppose I have various modules implementing an interface, and one facade module that abstracts away the different implementations
[16:48] kkaefer: how do I "register" the interface-implementing modules with the facade module?
[16:48] kkaefer: one option would be globals, the other is to rely on the module cache
[16:48] kkaefer: both aren't very good
[16:48] kkaefer: is there a third solution?
[16:49] mega: are we talking about some dispatching? kkaefer
[16:49] dexter_e: tjholowaychuck:  if I just want to inject JSON strings into app templates sitting in the public dir.. should I set public as view dir?
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[16:50] kkaefer: something like https://gist.github.com/ab041b54459e91c601ee 
[16:50] tjholowaychuk: dexter_e: hm yeah i guess so
[16:51] kkaefer: but that depends on the module cache
[16:51] dexter_e: Is there something that is more recommended?
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[16:52] CIA-110: node: 03Robert Mustacchi 07master * r2cfab04 10/ deps/v8/src/platform-solaris.cc : Fix solaris build (http://codereview.chromium.org/7282034/) - https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/2cfab040376679f7c49da92a541ee52e4add0d9a
[16:52] mega: rigth so when you call some method you whant it to dispatch to the rigth implementation?
[16:52] dexter_e: tjholowaychuck: Thanks again! 
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[16:54] mega: maybe the modules can extend the "facade" them self and you you require the modules you need and maybe have some defualt ones in your index.js?
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[17:06] taf2: writing some new code and wondering about the binary encoding?
[17:06] taf2: i want to read and write some pixels out of an image into a Buffer
[17:06] taf2: if not binary what encoding should i use?
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[17:08] taf2: For example, pixel = new Buffer(43); pixel.write(fs.readFileSync('ts.gif', 'binary'), 'binary', 0); // is what i have now... so how would i change this to avoid using 'binary' ?
[17:08] chjj: taf2: just use a buffer, a buffer is used if no encoding is specified
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[17:08] chjj: fs.readFileSync('ts.gif')
[17:08] taf2: chjj, okay got it so no need to specify an encoding
[17:08] taf2: thanks
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[17:10] garbagegod: so just take this as a conceptual question, could i in theory use node.js and socket.io to make a web application where say two people would go to a page, and (just using this as an example) you could track their mouse movement or something and have it be sent to the other persons browser to display a little icon of a mouse where the other persons cursor is?
[17:10] garbagegod: the point in all this is just me asking if you can send information from one client through the server to another client 
[17:10] garbagegod: in realtime
[17:11] taf2: i think so
[17:11] Draggor: garbagegod: why not?
[17:11] garbagegod: i dont know, thats what i was asking you guys for Draggor :P
[17:11] Draggor: You've got sockets and events, tis all you need!
[17:11] taf2: yeah man that seems reasonable 
[17:11] garbagegod: because it seems feasable, but due to my inexperience with node.js and socket.io i wouldnt know 
[17:11] garbagegod: cool, thanks alot 
[17:11] EyePulp: it's already being done
[17:12] garbagegod: nice, that encourages me, haha
[17:12] taf2: cool
[17:12] bradleymeck: garbagegod i forget if its still around but speedo was an app that did that
[17:12] bradleymeck: who here can tell me why i cant spawn node scripts from init.d files
[17:12] garbagegod: i sure cant find anything but swimwear on google bradleymeck :P 
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[17:13] bradleymeck: http://2010.nodeknockout.com/teams/speedo 
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[17:13] bradleymeck: 3rd result for `speedo nodejs`
[17:14] garbagegod: i need to install npm, but cant find anything but .js files 
[17:14] garbagegod: im more looking for a tarball with executable files to install
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[17:15] garbagegod: any idea where i might find that?
[17:16] garbagegod: i think i found what im looking for 
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[17:17] garbagegod: sweet, got node and npm installed :)
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[17:49] dexter_e: What do you guys recommend for auto-restarting your Node when files change?  Supervisr ?
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[17:55] xerox: dexter_e: so far I saw recommended 'forever' and 'node-
[17:55] xerox: cluster'
[17:56] seemann: I'm using socket.io and once i load the html via chrome, node breaks
[17:56] seemann: node: ../src/node.cc:1210: ssize_t node::DecodeWrite(char*, size_t, v8::Handle<v8::Value>, node::encoding): Assertion `b[1] == 0' failed.
[17:56] seemann: Aborted
[17:56] seemann: works fine with firefox, but breaks with chrome
[17:56] seemann: any idea why is that?
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[17:58] CIA-110: libuv: 03Henry Rawas 07master * rba1c38f 10/ (config-mingw.mk eio/xthread.h): fix mingw for eio - https://github.com/joyent/libuv/commit/ba1c38f2d8d6146f0a23fea47553dfd314605037
[17:59] bnoordhuis: seemann: what version of node?
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[17:59] seemann: bnoordhuis 0.5.0-pre
[17:59] CIA-110: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r70a8927 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Upgrade libuv to ba1c38f to fix mingw build - https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/70a8927a936928136a4ed087e2a1817ce106ad07
[18:00] bnoordhuis: seemann: can't be the latest master though
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[18:00] seemann: latest master is 0.49
[18:00] bnoordhuis: seemann: no, that's the latest stable :)
[18:01] seemann: hummm
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[18:01] bnoordhuis: 0.4.9 is what you want though
[18:01] bnoordhuis: master is pretty unstable right now
[18:01] seemann: ok, tyvm
[18:02] bnoordhuis: my pleasure
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[18:07] mrryanjohnston: Is there a way to use package.json and automatically install deps?
[18:08] ryah: mrryanjohnston: i think just 'npm install'
[18:08] mrryanjohnston: ryah: herp derp.
[18:08] mrryanjohnston: thank you
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[18:17] arlolra: ryah: do you ever look at those perf graphs / the buildbot?
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[18:31] kuya: SubStack: awake yet?
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[18:32] SubStack: kuya: affirmative
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[18:32] kuya: yay
[18:32] seemann: another question concerning chrome and socket.io. Why doesnt chrome uses the same URL to connect to the socket as firefox?
[18:33] seemann: apparently that messes the way chrome works with socket.io
[18:33] kuya: SubStack: is there any reason dnode doesnt use the prototype chain for wrapped objects?
[18:33] SubStack: kuya: because json doesn't roll that way
[18:33] kuya: yea but this isnt json 
[18:34] SubStack: if for instance you want to send an array
[18:34] SubStack: you shouldn't have to send all the .toString, .instanceOf
[18:34] kuya: this is true 
[18:34] dexter_e: Its making the ports on this network card warm. What a beast this thing.
[18:34] kuya: couldnt those be detected as builtins tho?
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[18:36] kuya: i wondered if it might be possible to add a method to objects that if exists signals dnode to use the return object from that function instead of the regular object 
[18:36] kuya: that way someone could return what they want to expose, instead of what dnode thinks 
[18:38] kuya: maybe im thinking about this wrong 
[18:38] SubStack: yes
[18:39] kuya: should my_complicated_class_structure just return some sort of interface object that i pass on to dnode?
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[18:40] seemann: Does anyone knows if is there really is a difference between the way chrome "interacts" with socket.io and the way firefox does?
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[18:41] SubStack: kuya: you can do this.member = this.member
[18:41] SubStack: which assigns a prototype method into the current object and is enumerable
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[18:42] kuya: yeaa... thats a tiny bit annoying imo 
[18:42] kuya: ill think about it some more 
[18:43] kuya: i had a bunch more questions for you... but i forgot them all - carry on! thanks :)
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[18:46] SubStack: kuya: I mostly use object literals in place of prototypical inheritance
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[18:47] sechrist: Is supervisor still the way to have express start upon changes?
[18:47] sechrist: or is there a built in mechanism for dev environment in express now?
[18:47] tbranyen: prototype inheritance model is too baller to ignore
[18:47] tbranyen: especially when using __proto__
[18:47] chjj: this ^
[18:47] chjj: not to mention, prototypes are super optimized in v8
[18:47] kuya: "baller"?
[18:47] tbranyen: SubStack: i know what you mean sometimes its not necessary
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[18:47] tbranyen: but to always use one or the other seems silly
[18:48] SubStack: I'm speaking in the context of using dnode
[18:48] SubStack: don't mix prototypes and dnode
[18:48] SubStack: it will just make everything harder
[18:48] tbranyen: SubStack: ah came in late on that one
[18:48] tbranyen: i scrolled up :)
[18:48] chjj: i actually dont know whats going on, i just decided to but in
[18:48] tbranyen: yeah same
[18:48] chjj: ;p
[18:48] tbranyen: SubStack: lemme lecture u some more
[18:48] kuya: hehe 
[18:49] kuya: is it "bad" to return an object in a dnode function with more functions attached to it?
[18:50] kuya: mydnodefunction: function(x, cb) { cb( {another_function: function() { ... }} ); }
[18:50] kuya: mostly because i cant see how that object can ever be gc'd
[18:51] tbranyen: kuya: big problem with closures yea
[18:51] SubStack: kuya: that works by design
[18:51] SubStack: it is awesome
[18:51] SubStack: don't even worry about gc
[18:52] tbranyen: famous last words :-p
[18:52] kuya: SubStack: i know it works, but is it bad practice? how will that object ever be freed?
[18:52] SubStack: pfft who cares?
[18:52] kuya: me!
[18:52] SubStack: when the connection drops all the closure refs go away
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[18:53] kuya: so in theory i could crash it by never closing the connection and making millions of these nasty objects 
[18:53] kuya: because it would just run out of mem 
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[18:54] pkrumins: OMG so much awesomeness at browserling.com
[18:54] pkrumins: we launched a new feature - tunnels - and upgraded to npm 1.0.15 and node.js 0.4.9
[18:55] SubStack: kuya: yes
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[19:06] feydr: been a while since I used node -- anyone know what this ev_rt_now error is? http://pastie.org/2151319
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[19:18] lmatteis: hi
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[19:19] lmatteis: if i run a setTimeout(function(),3000); what's the logic behind making the request idle while others are being served on the *same thread*?
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[19:20] adnam: that it's way simpler when you only use one thread
[19:21] lmatteis: adnam: sure, but i meant to find out a little more low-level details
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[19:21] lmatteis: on that logic
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[19:22] adnam: hmm, not sure where that would be specified, probably not in ecma-262
[19:23] lmatteis: adnam: what? it's not a syntax thing
[19:23] adnam: obviously not
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[19:34] feydr: what's best of breed headless testing nowadays? zombie.js looks abandoned?
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[19:43] taf2: feydr, i like phantomjs
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[19:44] feydr: taf2: thnx -- I'll have to chk it out
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[19:45] malkomalko: taf2: any luck using phantomjs with node?
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[19:45] malkomalko: just released our cucumber implementation today, https://github.com/didit-tech/peanut
[19:45] malkomalko: still need to write up a proper readme
[19:45] malkomalko: but the features directory there should give a heads up, if anybody is interested
[19:47] jesusabdullah: malkomalko: Did you know about https://github.com/nodejitsu/kyuri ?
[19:47] malkomalko: yes,
[19:47] jesusabdullah: Ah!
[19:47] malkomalko: it had a lot of holes
[19:47] jesusabdullah: Yes
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[19:47] malkomalko: and I didn't want to write vows stubs
[19:47] malkomalko: peanut is agnostic
[19:47] jesusabdullah: I was actually going to say that from what I remembered it was incomplete
[19:47] jesusabdullah: Oh?
[19:47] jesusabdullah: That's cool
[19:47] malkomalko: and has a web runner
[19:47] malkomalko: runs your scenarios in parallel
[19:48] jesusabdullah: So, wait, does peanut generate tests, or is it its own test runner?
[19:48] jesusabdullah: or do I completely misunderstand cucumber? ;)
[19:48] malkomalko: it has it's own test runner, but you can use anything you want for assertions
[19:49] malkomalko: assert, should.js, vows
[19:49] malkomalko: https://github.com/didit-tech/peanut/tree/master/features
[19:49] malkomalko: here's some steps https://github.com/didit-tech/peanut/blob/master/features/step_definitions/parser_steps.js
[19:49] japj: anyone here that can close node issues on github? I think both #222 and #223 can be closed (I can not reproduce the valgrind errors with node 0.4.8)
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[19:53] jesusabdullah: malkomalko: cool. *watch*
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[19:54] malkomalko: it's still young, but it's really usable right now
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[19:57] pkrumins: psyched here
[19:57] jtrally: has anyone used msgpack?
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[19:58] jesusabdullah: I'm unfamiliar with it, jtrally
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[19:58] jtrally: they have an npm but it's for v0.1.x  
[19:59] hereicode: does anyone know how to debug a cpp module in nodejs? it compiles fine but when i try to run it i get an error about an undefined symbol
[19:59] jesusabdullah: It looks interesting, at least
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[19:59] jesusabdullah: jtrally: File an issue?
[20:00] jesusabdullah: there are a jillion serialization formats :/
[20:00] jtrally: any you can recommend?  something "faster" than JSON.  
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[20:05] `3rdEden: jtrally V8 crankshaft comes with speed improvments for json en/decoding
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[20:06] `3rdEden: Alternative parsing solutions like bsion, msgpack have different performance characteristics. For example BISON encoding is faster than JSON when it comes down to smaller strings, but JSON is faster for bigger strings
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[20:08] `3rdEden: unrelated question does anybody here know a vim plugin for markdown that supports githubs `redcarpet` syntax
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[20:24] beriberikix: Is there a service like http://www.scriptlets.org/ built on node.js?
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[20:29] micheil: beriberikix: try ajax.org's cloud9ide
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[20:32] beriberikix: I actually don't want a full ide - mostly quick scripets for mock testing
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[20:32] kmiyashiro: cloud9ide isn't really a full ide
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[20:34] beriberikix: True, but I'm looking for something more Gist-easy
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[20:36] softdrink: what functionality do you need?
[20:36] `3rdEden: beriberikix repl it
[20:36] beriberikix: need a quick way to make hosted endpoints
[20:37] beriberikix: return sample data, either hardcoded or light logic based on request
[20:37] beriberikix: Exactly like scriptlets.org :) but not using Jack
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[21:05] yoole: anyone familiar with orlando vasquez's 'node-sqlite' module?
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[21:06] yoole: anyone?
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[21:07] patrikkarlin: sorry :(
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[21:08] yoole: :(
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[21:10] mega: problem yoole?
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[21:12] yoole: im new to node.js and im trying to learn it for a project im working on. the person that was working on the project before me apparently wasnt too big on commenting and ive been finding his code hard to follow
[21:13] yoole: the project uses orlando vasquez's node-sqlite module
[21:13] yoole: in the code it says
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[21:13] yoole: var sqlite = requires("sqlite");
[21:14] mega: seems right :P
[21:14] yoole: for some reason, though, this doesnt work
[21:14] mega: have you installed the module
[21:14] mega: ?
[21:14] yoole: it was already in the project folder that was given to me
[21:15] mega: normaly dependencies are gitignored
[21:15] mega: if you are using git
[21:15] yoole: im not using git
[21:15] mega: you just got a file?
[21:15] mega: folder i mean
[21:16] yoole: yeah
[21:16] mega: if you using the suntax require("blabla") instead of require("./blabla")
[21:16] mega: btw what error do you get
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[21:17] yoole: Error: dlopen(/Users/yoole/Desktop/proj/node-sqlite/build/default/sqlite3_bindings.node, 1): no suitable image found.  Did find:
[21:17] yoole: 	/Users/yoole/Desktop/proj/node-sqlite/build/default/sqlite3_bindings.node: unknown file type, first eight bytes: 0x7F 0x45 0x4C 0x46 0x01 0x01 0x01 0x00
[21:18] mega: yea i tried installing the module myself and got the same error
[21:18] yoole: whats suntax, btw?
[21:18] level09: how do I make async function syncronous
[21:18] mega: no i whas youst checking where you are getting the module from
[21:19] mega: so you where importing it rigth
[21:19] mega: but that wasent the prob
[21:19] yoole: oh ok
[21:19] yoole: do i need to install sqlite or something?
[21:19] mega: this feels like the project migth be outdated maybe... i gonna check on github
[21:20] mega: try compiling an older version of nde
[21:20] mega: node
[21:21] yoole: how would i do that?
[21:21] yoole: lol. sorry, im a noob
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[21:27] Edler: hey
[21:27] Edler: if i want to code a chatroom in Node.JS
[21:27] Edler: and i know good javascript
[21:27] Edler: where can i learn/tutorial ?
[21:27] xerox: youtube
[21:28] Edler: okay thanks
[21:28] xerox: remove the grammar for your question and get a thousand videos of people doing exactly that
[21:28] Edler: and if i have specific questions i can do that in here ?
[21:28] Edler: question
[21:28] Edler: if i got a quad core server but only with 256mb ram, how many concurrent connections you think it can handle ?
[21:29] softdrink: eleventy beelions.
[21:29] softdrink: (i have no idea)
[21:29] Edler: haha
[21:29] Edler: alrighty (Y)
[21:29] Edler: my question really was
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[21:30] Edler: does ram affect how many people can connect to my node.js server
[21:30] Edler: ?
[21:31] chjj: edler: it depends on how much memory you allocate per connection
[21:31] Edler: ah alright
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[21:31] Edler: but i'm worried about the network aspect
[21:31] Edler: not memory aspect
[21:31] Edler: does network relate to memory ?
[21:31] Prometheus: quad core server with 256mb sounds funky
[21:32] chjj: it depends on what youre doing, if youre sequencing the human genome for every connection, that will use a lot of memory
[21:32] Prometheus: or if you are using TLS :)
[21:32] chjj: on the other hand, if your http server is just a proxy-like server, you might not be using much memory
[21:32] mega: yoole: still here?
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[21:33] Edler: Prometheus: it's a cloud server
[21:33] Edler: virtual quad
[21:33] yoole: mega: yeah
[21:33] Prometheus: ah
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[21:34] mega: i tried to compile it from the github repo and it still dosent work maybe there has been an api change i dont know how to make c binidngs that well
[21:34] yoole: mega: sorry, im back
[21:34] mega: the src is from january
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[21:35] dingomanatee: off topic, I know - but - any reccommendations on a jQuery library that doe good scatter plotting(x/y)?
[21:35] jarek: Hi
[21:36] mega: sup
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[21:36] Prometheus: dingomanatee: there's #jquery you know
[21:36] dingomanatee: okie
[21:36] Prometheus: they are a lot better at suggesting plugins ;0
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[21:36] level09: is there a way to force a function to be synchronous ?
[21:37] softdrink: dingomanatee:  have you checked out highcharts or protoviz?
[21:37] dingomanatee: not yet - thankx
[21:37] level09: I dont want to continue before getting the result of it
[21:37] jarek: why "Github Pages" service requires me to keep site files inside a branch? Wouldn't it make more sense to keep site files in separate repository?
[21:37] Prometheus: level09: then write it so =P
[21:37] SubStack: level09: there is but it's a terrible thing to do
[21:37] dingomanatee: level09: functions by default are blocking. 
[21:37] softdrink: they're not jquery-specific, but they're good.
[21:37] dingomanatee: Node is single threaded. 
[21:37] jarek: oopps, sorry, wrong channel...
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[21:37] level09: hmm, I guess I'm missing something here :D
[21:37] level09: 
ACTION going back to review the code

[21:38] chjj: level09: what is the function?
[21:38] dingomanatee: only methods that are designed to be asynchonous will block - generally speaking those are DB request related or file system related. 
[21:38] level09: chilts: I'm fetching a url 
[21:38] level09: using request
[21:38] dingomanatee: You'll notice there is a fooSync() version of most of the asynchronous functions. 
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[21:38] level09: then I want to pass the result to express
[21:38] dingomanatee: I also created a gate class that will execute a block after one or more async functions have executed so you get 
[21:38] level09: I dont want to put all my login within app.get(
[21:38] dingomanatee: effective asynchronycity. 
[21:41] level09: ah thanks, gonna take a look
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[21:42] level09: speaking of effectiveness
[21:43] level09: I'm trying to improve the performance of one of my old / heavy php apps
[21:43] level09: by rewriting parts in node.js
[21:43] level09: how does for example, node mysql module compare to php mysql extension 
[21:43] level09: does any one have any idea ?
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[21:47] yoole: mega: still there?
[21:47] mega: yea
[21:48] level09: where does node developers come from in terms of previous expertise ? C, C++ or javascript ? 
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[21:48] kmiyashiro: CSS
[21:48] level09: hahaha
[21:48] kmiyashiro: :(
[21:48] wink_: level09: it really depends on the developer (if i understood you correctly)
[21:49] level09: yeah, I was just wondering if this technology attracts specific developers more than others
[21:49] dingomanatee: level09: I've only used node with MongoDB/Couch (hint hint) --- but my prediction is that 
[21:49] mrryanjohnston: level09: PHP 
[21:49] mrryanjohnston: ;)
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[21:49] level09: ah cool 
[21:50] mrryanjohnston: and now I guess .Net
[21:50] level09: found one colleague :D
[21:50] wink_: at this point it seems to be a really wide distribution
[21:50] mrryanjohnston: whattup PHP bro
[21:50] dingomanatee: node might not make mysql faster "per se" but it will make concurrent access to mysql less consumptive of system resources. 
[21:50] level09: mrryanjohnston: have you tried integrating both php / node ?
[21:50] mrryanjohnston: level09: lollll no
[21:50] mrryanjohnston: level09: most I would do is make restful calls.
[21:50] mrryanjohnston: I wouldn't want to mix the two.
[21:50] dingomanatee: That is, you will have less spiking of cpu/memory usage if several processes are waiting for MySQL to complete. 
[21:51] mrryanjohnston: level09: though, tbh I have been keeping a close eye on the node.js module in drupal ;)
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[21:51] level09: mrryanjohnston: saw that, it does nice notifications with sockets
[21:52] level09: dingomanatee: so I would only need to use it if I want some kind of distributed queries
[21:52] mega: yoole: if you call node -v what do you get?
[21:52] mrryanjohnston: level09: it does. but, to be honest, I'd rather make all of my future apps in node, and only use PHP if necessary
[21:52] mrryanjohnston: PHP is becomming the new .Net
[21:52] mrryanjohnston: ;
[21:52] mrryanjohnston: )
[21:52] level09: lol
[21:53] level09: php-fpm was really good though
[21:53] dingomanatee: Node functions well as a web service - so for instance if you wanted to display a data grid in PHP and poll a node web service for populating rows with data that would be a safe first step. 
[21:53] level09: dingomanatee: that seems like a great idea
[21:53] level09: btw
[21:53] level09: have any one did a comparison 
[21:54] level09: between a node server
[21:54] level09: ex : express.js
[21:54] level09: and nginx 
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[21:54] level09: both are event based
[21:54] level09: and have modules etc ..
[21:54] dingomanatee: The general consensus is that flat file serving is questionably better in node
[21:54] level09: I know some people still run nginx in front of node
[21:54] mrryanjohnston: I heard of some voodoo of people running node in nginx but Idkwtf that was about
[21:55] level09: to be on the safe side
[21:55] yoole: mega: if youre still there, i installed the sqlite module from npm and the program seems to be working now
[21:55] dingomanatee: but the reason most people end up on this channel is that node kicked ass against Ruby or PHP or .NET in terms of performance and concurrent resource usage. 
[21:55] yoole: now to just figure out what its doing :P
[21:55] level09: that is good to hear
[21:55] yoole: mega: thanks!
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[21:55] mega: ok good
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[21:55] mega: witch version did you have?
[21:56] level09: that could be another ggood idea , I will configure apache to it redirects all static file serving to a node server
[21:57] Dulak: node-inspector is incredibly useful, wow
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[21:59] mrryanjohnston: dingomanatee: I'm in here because you can make real-time webapps in like 5 lines of code or something stupid simple.
[21:59] mrryanjohnston: there's literally
[21:59] mrryanjohnston: no argument
[21:59] mrryanjohnston: against that
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[21:59] kmiyashiro: mrryanjohnston: tyep them out here!
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[22:00] dingomanatee: I can do that too - with Ruby :D
[22:00] dingomanatee: on heroku
[22:00] mrryanjohnston: var nowjs = require("now"); var everyone = nowjs.initialize(httpServer); everyone.now.distribute = function(message){ everyone.now.receive(this.now.name, message); };
[22:01] mrryanjohnston: server
[22:01] mrryanjohnston: 5 lines
[22:01] mrryanjohnston: ;)
[22:01] level09: but 
[22:01] mrryanjohnston: NO BUTS
[22:01] mrryanjohnston: INTERNET.
[22:01] level09: that now.js must have changed
[22:01] level09: because socket.io has a completely new api
[22:01] dingomanatee: Simplicity is a useful metric, however the complexity of a codebase does not in and of itself drive a businesses sucess. It just changes your personal level of happiness. 
[22:01] level09: now.js is built on top of socket
[22:01] ryah: now.js is pretty cool
[22:01] level09: and socket is still experimental 
[22:01] mrryanjohnston: level09: touche
[22:02] ryah: dnode is pretty hot though:)
[22:02] dingomanatee: '<html><body><h1>Hello, world</h1></body></html>' - one line
[22:02] mrryanjohnston: level09: so you're saying it'd be even less lines now? ;)
[22:02] mrryanjohnston: dingomanatee: REAL TIME!!!
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[22:02] mrryanjohnston: ryah: I think I'm too dumb to understand dnode
[22:02] dingomanatee: I can type pretty fast. 
[22:03] level09: yeah probably, but we're just waiting for the stable version to come out
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[22:04] dingomanatee: << still waiting for the stable version of PHP. 
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[22:04] dingomanatee: this one has memory leaks. 
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[22:04] dingomanatee: load spikes, too. 
[22:04] chrisdickinson:  mrryanjohnston: you could do that in <5 lines: with(require('now')) { (everyone = initialize(httpServer)).distribute = function(msg) { everyone.now.recieve(this.now.name, message); }; }
[22:04] chrisdickinson: just to prove the argument that there are limits to the "less lines is more better" argument :)
[22:05] chrisdickinson: *s/argument$//g
[22:05] mrryanjohnston: chrisdickinson: Nice
[22:05] mrryanjohnston: though, to be fair, I wasn't saying more better by any stretch ;)
[22:06] mrryanjohnston: I mostly meant it to mean "pretty coo."
[22:06] chrisdickinson: mrryanjohnston: cool :) 
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[22:06] mrryanjohnston: chrisdickinson: :)
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[22:07] Prometheus: dingomanatee: couldn't agree more with your statement about simplicity =)
[22:07] Prometheus: been there, felt that
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[22:08] dingomanatee: I do like simplicity - I do think it is a long term asset - however I would point out that Microsoft has so far been one of the best providers of simple/RAD systems - they really cater to that market - and it has not played out well because their products have performance issues. 
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[22:09] dingomanatee: I mean, Access is by far the "Simplest" database. Or perhaps whatever they are calling Filemaker nowadays.
[22:10] Prometheus: simplistic vs simple =)
[22:11] Edler: Anyone here can really help in coding a Node.JS chat room ?
[22:11] Edler: I'll pay
[22:11] xerox: come on
[22:12] xerox: are your really that unable to google >_>
[22:13] mrryanjohnston: Edler bro
[22:13] mrryanjohnston: imma help you save some money
[22:13] Edler: mrryanjohnston, how ?
[22:13] mrryanjohnston: http://spechal.com/2011/03/19/super-simple-node-js-chatroom/
[22:13] mrryanjohnston: bam
[22:13] Jakwac: char rooms are kind of the "hello world" of nodejs.
[22:13] Edler: xerox: it's an advanced chatroom, not a simple one
[22:13] mrryanjohnston: 50 dollarz plz.
[22:14] xerox: use irc :X
[22:14] Edler: well i need sessions
[22:14] mega: dahl did a presentation where he wrote a simple chat
[22:14] Edler: sql logging
[22:14] Prometheus: :s
[22:14] Edler: private query chats
[22:14] Edler: an irc clone
[22:14] bitwise_: getting an error trying to load howtonode.org. i npm install wheat and cloned the repo for htn, then i see Object has no method 'conditionalGet' in app.js
[22:15] bitwise_: maybe a connectjs question
[22:15] mrryanjohnston: Edler: https://github.com/alexyoung/ircd.js
[22:15] mrryanjohnston: and irc daemon
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[22:15] mrryanjohnston: an*
[22:15] mrryanjohnston: that will be 100 dollarz.
[22:15] mrryanjohnston: yew ess dowlars
[22:16] Edler: so i can run my own irc server on node.js ?
[22:16] Jakwac: yep
[22:16] mrryanjohnston: Edler: it would appear that way!
[22:16] Edler: and i can connect and interact with it using html5 websockets ?
[22:16] mrryanjohnston: Edler: I dunno, perhaps you should click the link ;)
[22:16] Edler: and of course i can customize it since it's open source
[22:16] xerox: mrryanjohnston: you're getting rich so fast!
[22:17] mrryanjohnston: xerox: gonna retire early
[22:17] micheil: Edler: you'd need to make a irc server, and connect it together with websockets
[22:17] micheil: or, you can write a proxy service
[22:17] Edler: isn't ircd an irc server ?
[22:17] Edler: or at least one written in node.js
[22:17] micheil: something that connects to an irc server and proxies that to a websocket connection
[22:17] xerox: mrryanjohnston: google a node implementation of jabber daemon, it's on Edler 
[22:18] micheil: Edler: you've just given me a new pusherapp idea. :D
[22:18] Edler: okay guys listen
[22:18] Edler: irc is a good idea since i can have channels
[22:18] Edler: what i'm trying to do is have the visitors on my website
[22:18] micheil: (I work for pusher, hence the reason I say that)
[22:18] Edler: see a mini chatroom
[22:18] Edler: which is real time
[22:18] micheil: Edler: sounds like a perfect use for pusher.com :/
[22:19] Edler: using websockets
[22:19] micheil: exactly.
[22:19] Edler: pusher.com ?
[22:19] micheil: yeah
[22:19] Edler: opening
[22:19] micheil: we do websockets as a service
[22:19] Edler: micheil: explain to me more
[22:19] Edler: what do you provide ?
[22:19] micheil: all you need to do would be to write the connector between an irc client and a pusher connection.
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[22:20] micheil: we provide things like a standard channels and events layer on top of websockets (things that you'd normally implement yourself)
[22:20] Edler: but that's way too expensive for me
[22:20] Edler: i prefer managing my own server
[22:20] micheil: not so, for now it's all free.
[22:20] Edler: than subscribing to a server
[22:20] Edler: service
[22:20] Edler: i see 100 connection and 200 000 message per day
[22:20] Edler: 100 connection won't do 
[22:21] xerox: https://github.com/tarnfeld/PusherChat
[22:21] Edler: i need at least 3000
[22:21] micheil: okay, well, just remember, there's no such thing as a free lunch; somewhere along the lines you'll pay for it.
[22:21] Edler: i want to pay
[22:21] Edler: but not for my push usage
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[22:22] Edler: i'll pay for my server
[22:22] Edler: which includes rent and bandwidth
[22:22] micheil: Edler: okay then :)
[22:22] Edler: :D
[22:22] Edler: but thanks for the info
[22:22] Edler: however this node.js thingy is still confusing me
[22:22] Edler: i'm used to client side js scripting
[22:22] micheil: but at any rate, you could easily prototype on our service (I'm actually going to do that idea now, just as another proof of concept of a new thing we're working on)
[22:23] Edler: now ?
[22:23] micheil: soon.
[22:23] sechrist: Can I access environment / some kind of global variable inside of the express templates, or do I have to explicitly pass them to render every time?
[22:23] tjholowaychuk: sechrist: look at the docs/examples
[22:23] tjholowaychuk: many ways
[22:23] tjholowaychuk: app.helpers() etc
[22:23] sechrist: I've been looking, I haven't found an example yet
[22:23] micheil: I'm currently working on tests for our javascript library, and as part of that, I'm writing a client-side javascript async testing framework.
[22:23] sechrist: maybe I'm just bad at sifting through docs
[22:26] bitwise_: how do i get the conditionalGet middleware?
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[22:26] tjholowaychuk: bitwise_ it was removed
[22:27] tjholowaychuk: too general, you would still have to compute the response
[22:27] tjholowaychuk: so it was kinda useless
[22:27] tjholowaychuk: and wasteful
[22:27] bitwise_: just saw that
[22:27] bitwise_: thanks and if i want to run wheat can i just comment it out? assuming wheat author is in here
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[22:32] level09: have any 1 worked with twitter modules ? any recommendations ?
[22:32] dingomanatee: is there a way to translate rgb to hsb in canvas?
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[22:39] level09: I was wondering if there is a library that can create Image snapshots of URLs  
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[22:39] level09: any 1 knows a module that can do that
[22:40] level09: I had some success with phantomjs
[22:40] level09: but that's not node
[22:40] level09: plus its like killing a fly with a canon
[22:41] CIA-110: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07v0.4 * rf78f654 10/ lib/_debugger.js : 
[22:41] CIA-110: node: Revert "debugger: don't allow users to input non-valid commands"
[22:41] CIA-110: node: breaks 'print' command
[22:41] CIA-110: node: This reverts commit 37d529f818aacd1146b1d927b3251bbefcea389f. - http://bit.ly/iofX6q
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[22:54] softdrink: anyone use jsbin?
[22:55] tuhoojabotti: Google says to use eval
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[22:55] softdrink: google says a lot of things
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[22:56] tuhoojabotti: In their JS best pracitses
[22:56] tuhoojabotti: practises*
[22:56] tuhoojabotti: :D
[22:58] SubStack: vm.runInNewContext is handy
[22:58] tuhoojabotti: I know, that's what I use.
[22:58] SubStack: even browser-side
[22:58] tuhoojabotti: Well I don't need eval on the frontend
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[23:00] CIA-110: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07v0.4 * refca545 10/ (lib/http.js test/simple/test-regress-GH-877.js): 
[23:00] CIA-110: node: Fixes #877. Don't wait for socket pool to establish connections.
[23:00] CIA-110: node: Thanks to Yann Biancheri for putting together an initial test. - http://bit.ly/jFujNs
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[23:43] level09: does firefox 5 have websockets open by default ?
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[23:44] jmoyers: its disabled
[23:44] jmoyers: i think
[23:45] jmoyers: "a key reason WebSockets is currently disabled by default in Firefox 4 and 5 is the discovery of a security issue in the protocol's design"
[23:45] jmoyers: level09^
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[23:46] level09: hmm
[23:46] level09: so they discovered a security issue that is unfixable
[23:46] level09: weird
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