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[00:06] rpj8: Another possibly dumb question: do partials in express choke when only given one record?
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[00:09] rpj8: for example: http://jsfiddle.net/42P2t/1/
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[00:09] rpj8: er
[00:09] rpj8: http://jsfiddle.net/42P2t/2/
[00:09] rpj8: sorry
[00:10] rpj8: currently it just takes me to a members page with no members listed
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[00:18] fakewaffle: what adblock extension does everyone use for chrome? they all seem to suck compared to adblock plus for FF
[00:18] niftylettuce: dont go to ad sites :)
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[00:18] fakewaffle: niftylettuce: what great advice
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[00:18] fakewaffle: ill unplug my cable modem right now too
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[00:20] rpj8: fakewaffle: I just use adblock
[00:20] bnoordhuis: just leaving this here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2680223
[00:20] rpj8: also totes bumpin' my question from earlier
[00:20] rpj8: :3
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[00:21] fakewaffle: rpj8: adblock doesnt seem to be blocking any video ads, and i still get a lot of adds too :/
[00:22] rpj8: fakewaffle: yeah it's not as good as ff's adblock
[00:22] rpj8: but tbh i dunno.
[00:22] fakewaffle: ok
[00:22] TooTallNate: bnoordhuis: lol, why did that guy post that SO question? it's from Oct 2010
[00:22] xeodox: In Express, if there is other stuff going on, but render() is called, will render() wait until everything is finished?
[00:22] rpj8: XEXPRESS WAITS FOR NO MAN
[00:24] bnoordhuis: TooTallNate: well, it's still relevant
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[00:26] slickplaid: Give someone years of development and love/hate in a particular language and  you can't help but be biased when writing about it.
[00:27] dtan: lol @ rpj8
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[00:53] johnnywengluu: is there a way to remove directory with node.js without using child_process?
[00:53] johnnywengluu: a dir that contains files that is
[00:53] johnnywengluu: fs.rmDirSync() doesn't work with dir containing files
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[01:00] MooGoo: remove the files first?
[01:00] MooGoo: you're asking if nodejs has rm -rf?
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[01:03] tbranyen: johnnywengluu: rimraf module does it
[01:03] tbranyen: i use it for unit testing
[01:03] tbranyen: to wipe out all my temp shiz
[01:03] johnnywengluu: rimraf?
[01:03] tbranyen: yea
[01:03] johnnywengluu: you have a link?
[01:03] johnnywengluu: yeah im doing testing too
[01:03] tbranyen: i think its called rimraf i might be wrong
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[01:03] tbranyen: https://github.com/isaacs/rimraf
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[01:06] Tobsn: ryah, there?
[01:06] johnnywengluu: tbranyen: no doc=)
[01:06] johnnywengluu: how do you use it
[01:06] johnnywengluu: think im just going to use child_process =)
[01:08] tbranyen: johnnywengluu: really? just look at the test folder...
[01:08] tbranyen: var rimraf = require('rimraf'); rimraf('somefolder', function(err) { });
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[01:22] Nuck: ugh
[01:22] Nuck: 103° F
[01:22] Tobsn: whats that in real degrees?
[01:22] Tobsn: ah
[01:22] Tobsn: 40C
[01:22] Nuck: 39
[01:22] Nuck: I personally prefer C
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[01:23] Nuck: But everyone in my house prefers Farenheit, so I'm stuck using that for the thermostat
[01:23] Tobsn: i live in the US and i got used to feet and inches and miles. but i'll never get used to fahrenheit
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[01:23] justinw312: So I know for the most part running untrusted code should be avoided -- but if I absolutely have to do it... 
[01:23] Nuck: Tobsn: I'm accustomed to the metric system TBH
[01:23] Nuck: Except for kilometers
[01:23] chapel:  Weather for Spokane, WA · 77°F (25°C) · Humidity: 34% · Partly Cloudy · Wind: SW at 5 mph · Last Updated on June 21, 5:53 PM PDT
[01:23] Nuck: I still go by miles
[01:23] Tobsn: i mean freezing point == 0C and not 32F...
[01:23] Nuck: chapel: STFU
[01:23] Tobsn: hehe
[01:23] chapel: :)
[01:24] justinw312: Can you think of any problems with this method: run it in a child process, in a new context, expose a non-writable, non-mutable api. 
[01:24] chapel: where are you located Nuck?
[01:24] Bonuspunkt: °K > °*
[01:24] Nuck: chapel: Modesto, California
[01:24] chapel:  Weather for Modesto, CA · 103°F (39°C) · Humidity: 19% · Clear · Wind: NNW at 9 mph · Last Updated on June 21, 4:53 PM PDT
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[01:25] justinw312: I'm sure there's a lot of overhead associated with making a new context, but would it be secure?
[01:25] Nuck: Fuck the Bay Area
[01:25] Tobsn: chapel: San Marcos, California
[01:25] Tobsn: :P
[01:25] Nuck: San Francisco has 25°C (75°F)
[01:25] Nuck: Those fuckers.
[01:26] Nuck: Dear Silicon Valley people: GIVE US SOME OF YOUR COOL AIR PLOX
[01:26] Tobsn: 34C here in SM
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[01:26] chapel:  Weather for San Marcos, CA · 68°F (20°C) · Humidity: 78% · Overcast · Wind: Variable at 4 mph · Last Updated on June 21, 5:53 PM PDT
[01:26] halfhalo: 95F in socal
[01:26] Tobsn: yep
[01:26] Tobsn: pretty nice
[01:26] Tobsn: oh wait
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[01:27] Tobsn: 96F in san marcos on google showed me texas
[01:27] Tobsn: its only 20C here?
[01:27] Tobsn: wtf
[01:27] Tobsn: its not
[01:27] niftylettuce: anyone experience slow compilations with Stylus?
[01:28] dnunes: Anyone manage to get a flash socket working on a socket.io connection?
[01:28] chapel: niftylettuce: well the way it should work is that once its compiled, it will be fetched directly (the compiled file)
[01:28] Tobsn: never payed attention to what its actually using
[01:28] dnunes: I used to have it working fine, but since I moved to another server it just refuses to work.
[01:28] chapel: and not have to be recompiled every time
[01:28] Tobsn: dnunes, you dragged along the crossdomain xml file?
[01:29] Tobsn: not sure but i think you need that
[01:29] dnunes: Tobsn: I don't think I get what you mean.
[01:29] Tobsn: for flash you need a crossdomain xml file right?
[01:29] dnunes: Tobsn: I have a PHP server with the HTML and the socket.io.js and the .swf files are in my Node.JS server
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[01:29] niftylettuce: chapel: yea so just for dev i guess that how it works?
[01:29] niftylettuce: chapel: makes sense
[01:29] chapel: well
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[01:29] chapel: its an order thing
[01:29] dnunes: Tobsn: I though the Node.JS would do it for me.
[01:29] Tobsn: or maybe it does
[01:29] chapel: I will have the change in my push when I get it pushed
[01:29] Tobsn: like i said never payed attention to it
[01:30] dnunes: Tobsn: I don't see any request to a crossdomain.xml in my "net" tab of the firebug.
[01:30] Tobsn: hmm
[01:30] dnunes: Tobsn: Not sure if it should be there or not.
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[01:30] Tobsn: not sure either
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[01:30] dnunes: Tobsn: am having the "[WebSocket] Error: Error calling method on NPObject!" error, currently, which means that the swf file was loaded correctly.
[01:31] Tobsn: hmm no clue, never seen that error :/
[01:31] Tobsn: guess you gotta talk to rauchg or `3rdEden
[01:31] dnunes: rauchg: You there?
[01:32] dnunes: Tobsn: I'll try it. Thanks.
[01:32] malkomalko: how is require used as a function by itself but also an object?
[01:32] Tobsn: ;)
[01:32] dnunes: malkomalko: What you mean?
[01:32] dnunes: malkomalko: "require" is a function that usually returns an object.
[01:33] malkomalko: require('foo') && require.paths && require.resolve('foo')
[01:33] dnunes: malkomalko: You can "chain" the calls like "require('some_lib').PROPERTY_OR_METHOD" because the "require" call will return an object.
[01:33] dnunes: Hm...
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[01:34] Tobsn: if you need a background noise while coding: http://3questionsgetthegirl.com/simple-trick-video/
[01:35] sshaginyan_: Can someone please help me with mysql-native? I have a problem where I'm trying to load objects into an array and res.send that array, but res.send only sends out the initial empty array "var data = [];" Here is my code http://pastie.org/2104250
[01:35] dnunes: malkomalko: I'm not sure if you could use some "default" method in JS. I can't think of a way right now, but I'm pretty sure there must be something like "toString" or something.
[01:35] sshaginyan_: I know this has to do with event loop but I'm lost on how to do this :)
[01:36] malkomalko: yah, trying to find out myself
[01:36] malkomalko: I'm trying to stub require
[01:36] rauchg: dnunes
[01:36] rauchg: hi
[01:36] rauchg: sshaginyan_
[01:36] sshaginyan_: rauchg: yes
[01:36] rauchg: by the time you call res.send
[01:36] sshaginyan_: :)
[01:36] rauchg: the data is not there
[01:36] sshaginyan_: I know
[01:36] rauchg: you need a callback
[01:36] rauchg: i'd look for an `end` event or similar
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[01:37] rauchg: or maybe `row` gets called with `null` when there're no more rows
[01:37] sshaginyan_: rauchg: end event in mysql-native?
[01:37] rauchg: yep
[01:37] rauchg: sshaginyan_ what's the project url
[01:38] sshaginyan_: rauchg: It's data mining project it's a universal documentation 
[01:39] dnunes: rauchg: Hey there. I'm trying to understand exactly what it takes to make the Flash Socket to work in socket.io. Any tips on how to debug the problem that might be happening (the error message or stack trace, or timeout...) inside the SWF will be welcome as well.
[01:39] dnunes: rauchg: I currently know that the Flash Socket is not working and it's giving me the message "[WebSocket] Error: Error calling method on NPObject!" on Firefox.
[01:40] dnunes: rauchg: But it gives me no error message on IE, so I don't know if it would maybe work with a longer timeout or if it actually crashed or was limited by my current config.
[01:40] dnunes: I mean... The socket.io tried it and it "didn't work", but why?
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[01:41] rauchg: dnunes sounds like a cross-domain issue
[01:41] rauchg: have you tried connecting over same-host
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[01:41] rauchg: also
[01:42] rauchg: try disabling flash socket
[01:42] rauchg: io.configure(function () {
[01:42] dnunes: It is working on other transports. I just wanted to make it work with a "better implementation".
[01:42] rauchg: oh i see
[01:42] rauchg: please try
[01:42] rauchg: same-host
[01:42] rauchg: my guess is that it's a cross-domain issue
[01:42] dnunes: Currently Firefox is working over xhr-streaming and IE over json-polling.
[01:42] rauchg: oh yeahc
[01:42] rauchg: cross-domain
[01:42] rauchg: can you file a ticket
[01:42] dnunes: I'm using cross domain. Is that a blocking problem for Flash Sockets?
[01:42] rauchg: i'll look at it shortly
[01:43] rauchg: shouldn't be, but i guess that slipped through testing
[01:43] dnunes: Ok. I'll post a bug on github with all the info I can gather.
[01:43] dnunes: rauchg: Thanks for your time.
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[01:44] sshaginyan_: rauchg: 'null', 'end' didn't work can you please take a look at the "docs" https://github.com/ngs/nodejs-mysql-native 
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[01:44] rauchg: All commands fire 'end'() event at the end of command executing.
[01:44] rauchg: sshaginyan_ ^
[01:45] rauchg: that's from the docs
[01:45] rauchg: try
[01:45] rauchg: .addListener('end', function () { res.send(data); })
[01:45] rauchg: meep the row listener
[01:45] rauchg: keep the row listener
[01:45] rauchg: and add that one
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[01:50] dnunes: rauchg: One last thing... Once the socket.io object tried all the options and fired an "disconnect" event, how can I reset the socket object and make the .connect() work as if it was just started?
[01:50] Tobsn: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1656816/Screenshots/uqyn.png
[01:50] Tobsn: lol.
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[01:50] dnunes: rauchg: It seems like the "transports" array with the transport options are empty and it refures to reconnect.
[01:50] dnunes: *refuses
[01:50] rauchg: dnunes tried .reconnect() ?
[01:50] dnunes: rauchg: 0.6?
[01:50] rauchg: 0.7
[01:51] rauchg: oh are you using 0.6 ?
[01:51] dnunes: rauchg: I need to keep the .6 in this project, sadly =/
[01:51] rauchg: oh sorry about that
[01:51] rauchg: then
[01:51] rauchg: the problem is
[01:51] rauchg: that you need to change the
[01:51] rauchg: WEB_SOCKET_SWF_LOCATION
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[01:51] rauchg: to WebSocketInsecure.swf
[01:51] rauchg: to work over the cross domain
[01:51] rauchg: new socket.io does everything for you
[01:51] rauchg: :D
[01:51] dnunes: rauchg: I tried that to the insecure. But I can only host the insecure.swf in my Apache server, not on the node.js.
[01:52] dnunes: rauchg: Maybe it's a no-go as well?
[01:53] dnunes: rauchg: I don't control the Node.JS server, so I must use only the default config with no messing around. Pointing the SWFLocation to my Insecure.swf on Apache Server removes the error, but still don't work.
[01:53] dnunes: *doesn't
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[01:53] dnunes: rauchg: As far as I know, by default the Insecure.swf is in a zip, inacessible by default on Node.JS server, right?
[01:54] rauchg: yep you need to uncompress is so that you don't host it accidentally
[01:54] sshaginyan_: rauchg: I'm sorry rauchg can you check if this is correct http://pastie.org/2104300
[01:54] dnunes: rauchg: I got the file on my machine and hosted on a Apache server, but it doesn't work still. And unziping it inside the Node.JS server is not an option for me.
[01:54] rauchg: where's the .end event
[01:54] rauchg: sshaginyan_
[01:54] dnunes: rauchg: Maybe I'll have to keep the current fallback options.
[01:54] sshaginyan_: rauchg: res.end();
[01:55] sshaginyan_: its this not it?
[01:55] rauchg: yep but you're not sending the data
[01:55] rauchg: let me show you
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[01:56] rauchg: sshaginyan_
[01:56] rauchg: https://gist.github.com/7a3c42e22bc2691ae4a4
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[01:56] rauchg: btw, you have a massive sql injection there
[01:56] rauchg: be careful with lulzsec
[01:56] sshaginyan_: rauchg: I know
[01:56] sshaginyan_: just testing things out
[01:56] rauchg: sshaginyan_ the point is that right after db.query.addListener() is executed you're trying to end the response
[01:56] rauchg: at that point the data is not there
[01:56] rauchg: that's why we listen on the `end` event
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[01:57] rauchg: in theory this should work
[01:57] rauchg: but i don't know this library
[01:57] dnunes: rauchg: Any ideas of how to reproduce the .reconnect() behavior on a .6 Socket.IO?
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[01:58] Tobsn: oh btw. rauchg, in IE7 it uses json polling here and keeps reconnecting every 2-3 seconds, is that normal?
[01:58] rauchg: Tobsn 0.7?
[01:58] sshaginyan_: rauchg: I swear to you a moment ago that didn't work
[01:58] Tobsn: hmm
[01:58] Tobsn: yes?
[01:58] Tobsn: not sure hehe
[01:58] rauchg: brb 1 sec
[01:58] Tobsn: was it released when we talked the last time?
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[01:58] rauchg: nop, today
[01:58] rauchg: :D
[01:58] sshaginyan_: rauchg: thanks so much
[01:58] Tobsn: geezus...
[01:58] rauchg: sshaginyan_
[01:58] rauchg: you're welcome
[01:58] rauchg: to zombo com
[01:59] Tobsn: can i switch it without changing code?
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[02:24] xardion: so I'm using tls.createServer, and neither of the streams passed to the callback have remoteAddress. Is there some other way to get to this?
[02:24] Tobsn: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1656816/Screenshots/juuz.png
[02:24] Tobsn: anyone an idea?
[02:24] Tobsn: (offtopic, sorta)
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[02:29] dnunes: rauchg: Just found out that Flash Socket works if I run the server as root (to listen to 843).
[02:29] rauchg: oh
[02:29] rauchg: btw join #socket.io
[02:29] dnunes: rauchg: How does that "inline serving" thing works? It seems like it's not working for me.
[02:29] rauchg: it might not work over cross domain
[02:29] rauchg: OH
[02:29] rauchg: also
[02:29] dnunes: rauchg: Nobody answered me in there =~
[02:29] rauchg: firefox
[02:29] rauchg: had an issue
[02:29] rauchg: with inline serving
[02:29] rauchg: but im there :
[02:29] rauchg: :P
[02:31] sh1mmer: rauchg: did you get an email yet?
[02:33] rpj8: in express, how do I access those files in public/images? I have the static route set up as   app.use(express.static(__dirname + '/public'));
[02:33] rauchg: sh1mmer nop
[02:33] rauchg: i got one to join
[02:33] rauchg: some o'reilly thing
[02:33] rauchg: and i did
[02:33] sh1mmer: hm
[02:33] rpj8: I am trying to invoke the picture in jquery like so:             $('#player1choice').html('<img href="/images/'+msg.data.player1choice+'.png" alt="'+msg.data.player1choice+'"/>')
[02:34] rauchg: but i got no further emials
[02:34] rauchg: emails*
[02:34] sh1mmer: I'll check with them
[02:34] rauchg: k
[02:34] rauchg: thx
[02:34] rauchg: rpj8
[02:34] rauchg: that looks good
[02:34] rpj8: yeah well
[02:34] rpj8: <img alt="paper" href="/images/paper.png">
[02:34] rauchg: it's gonna look for public/images/…
[02:34] rpj8: this shows up
[02:34] rpj8: and no picture shows up
[02:34] rpj8: so :/
[02:34] rauchg: <img src="">
[02:34] rpj8: oh com eon.
[02:34] rpj8: how could i have missed that
[02:34] rpj8: thank you
[02:34] rpj8: good lord
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[02:55] Draggor: Since io.setPath is gone in the new socket.io, what's the new way of dealing with that?
[02:55] Draggor: I'd like to not change server side code if I can help it
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[03:00] rpj8: how do you guys cleanse your user input?
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[03:00] copongcopong: wash with ajax, i guess ...
[03:01] slickplaid: buh dum ching
[03:01] rpj8: lullll
[03:01] rpj8: i get it
[03:01] rpj8: at first i was like "uhhhh"
[03:01] rpj8: then I was "ahhh :D"
[03:02] copongcopong: ;)
[03:03] rpj8: no but rly :<
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[03:11] Draggor: using express, how do I define a route to catch everything?
[03:12] sorensen: *
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[03:13] Tobsn: does jade support includes?
[03:13] Draggor: sorensen: thank ye
[03:14] Draggor: I'm doing the hack it to make it work now, then learn what I did later
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[03:17] johnnywengluu: where is the node.js conf 2011 videos?
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[03:45] rpj8: woof.
[03:45] rpj8: Kinda wish nodester were more verbose.
[03:45] rpj8: I'm not sure why my app is refusing to start
[03:45] rpj8: but all I get is nodester ERROR false
[03:45] rpj8: :P
[03:46] masom: Trying to get back into node and WebSockets. Is socket.io the way to go if I was to refactor a existing application based on some websocket class?
[03:47] rpj8: most def.
[03:47] rpj8: v.7 just came out today
[03:47] masom: yeah, saw all the fuzz about it :)
[03:48] rpj8: well earned fuzz :p
[03:48] masom: cool, thanks. This will bring some more awesome pong-ness
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[03:51] sorensen: ah hell
[03:51] sorensen: channels in sockets now?
[03:51] blueadept: masom: try nowjs
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[03:51] rpj8: sorensen: yah bro
[03:52] context-: i personally like Faye. but ive never touched socket.io
[03:52] masom: blueadept: wait... nowjs is sitting on top of socket.io ?
[03:53] blueadept: yeah
[03:53] masom: that is awesome
[03:53] blueadept: it is
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[03:54] blueadept: today i wrote some badass nowjs code
[03:54] sorensen: nowjs anarchy
[03:54] blueadept: nothing big, but the ease of implementing what i wanted was cake
[03:54] sorensen: dnode ftw
[03:54] sorensen: :D
[03:54] blueadept: no having to POST data, or import json results
[03:55] blueadept: just ask the function for data, nowjs takes care of it though sockets
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[03:56] rpj8: anyone know of a way to get a bit more info from nodester if an app doesn't want to work?
[03:57] masom: thanks blueadept, i'll look into that. Althought i already have a protocol defined between the client and server, it might prove usefull
[03:57] context-: wow. now looks way easy
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[03:57] context-: although. i dont like how client/server methods share the same namespace
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[03:59] blueadept: just to play devils advocate, what are the hangups of that?
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[04:02] rpj8: ohhhh
[04:02] rpj8: the port address
[04:02] rpj8: duhhh
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[04:03] rpj8: wait
[04:03] rpj8: maybe not
[04:03] context-: blueadept: ?
[04:04] context-: hangups of shared server/client namespace?
[04:05] context-: blueadept: well say im working on a fairly large project, and accidently use the same method name on both ends. does now magically know what to do? the local override the other? stuff might work for that client but not properly distribute. so i dont get an error but it works !
[04:05] blueadept: ah
[04:05] context-: i prefer consistency and errors that tell me im a moron, as appose to it silently working and letting me be an idiot.
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[04:06] sorensen: well said
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[04:07] context-: blueadept: also its kind of "ambiguous" (thinking of another word.)   what if i start calling other server side now methods from server side. now i have all this code where i don't REALLY know where its going.
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[04:08] context-: but maybe it doesn't work that way. i dont know
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[04:11] chapel: masom context- dnode ftw
[04:12] chapel: if you want something that is more robust, better tested, and more versatile, try dnode
[04:12] chapel: :)
[04:12] rpj8: chapel: was the bug that made it not work in chrome fixed?
[04:12] context-: please note: i have never used nowjs (or even socket.io) thats just my thoughts after the 2 minute video (so take my thoughts with a grain of salt please :p)
[04:12] chapel: rpj8: it has always worked in chrome
[04:12] context-: ive only ever used Faye but i loved it
[04:12] chapel: context-: check out dnode :)
[04:13] context-: im not a huge fan of rpc :/
[04:13] masom: mmm interesting, if you trust the client end
[04:13] masom: Well thanks guys, i think socket.io will be the next thing i'll attack. Migration from ws to socket.io should be straightforward
[04:14] rpj8: chapel: a few weeks ago it was failing me pretty hard.
[04:14] rpj8: perhaps it was firefox
[04:14] rpj8: i can't remember
[04:14] masom: rpj8: Chrome had WebSocket for a while now
[04:14] rpj8: yes it wasn't that
[04:14] rpj8: perhaps it was firefox
[04:15] context-: masom: i think you should never trust the client :p
[04:15] yenz: i honestly don't think there's anything that raises my blood pressure more than daeling with GoDaddy
[04:15] yenz: i hate them with the fire of a thousand suns
[04:15] masom: yenz: their publicity is awesome
[04:15] yenz: </rant>
[04:16] yenz: masom: shooting elephants in the face?
[04:16] abraxas: Is it true that socket.io's retry timings cannot really be overridden? The way it behaves is disastrous for mobile devices.
[04:16] yenz: abraxas: how so?
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[04:17] abraxas: If it fails to connect, it starts falling back to other methods, and the retry time increases again, and again and again.
[04:17] abraxas: I don't want retry time to increase.
[04:17] abraxas: If I enter a tunnel, and I leave it 2 minutes later, the retry time may already have been increased to over a minute.
[04:18] abraxas: "The amount of milliseconds before we try to connect to the server again. We are using a exponential back off algorithm for the following reconnections, on each reconnect attempt this value will get multiplied (500 > 1000 > 2000 > 4000 > 8000)."
[04:19] context-: yenz: yeah. my work uses godaddy. i told them i wont touch the account.  cant stand the administration.  regfly is even worse
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[04:20] context-: 2 minute tunnel you may hit the 128 second timeout. wait a whole nother two minutes
[04:20] abraxas: Yeah, that's disastrous.
[04:20] abraxas: I live in Tokyo, people take subways here. This is a common pattern.
[04:21] abraxas: It would render the entire app useless.
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[04:21] abraxas: In the subway, there's only 3G at the stations. So 90% of the time, there is no connection.
[04:21] abraxas: But at those stops, I want to be able to use that connection.
[04:22] Lorentz: I'm not aware of direct api for altering reconnection timing
[04:22] Aria: Yeah, exponential backoff needs to be capped.
[04:22] abraxas: Exactly.
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[04:22] abraxas: I think exponential is simply a bad idea.
[04:22] Lorentz: Worst comes to worst, fork and change code in it :S
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[04:23] abraxas: Perhaps the API could simply offer users to provide an array: [500, 1000, 1000, 1000, 5000] (and it will keep retrying with 5000 after that)
[04:23] yenz: heh.. exponential backoff is "standard" for retry algorithms.  just isn't well-suited to the Tokyo Subway use case :/
[04:23] abraxas: or any other cellphone use case :)
[04:24] abraxas: where bad reception is just part of life.
[04:24] Aria: It's meant for keeping client floods from taking down a server.
[04:24] Aria: It's not meant as a general purpose "always do this", there's a reason it's used.
[04:24] abraxas: Sure.
[04:24] abraxas: Would be great if developers could have a choice though
[04:24] Aria: So in this case, I think it's terribly suited. It just happens to work when good connectivity is the norm.
[04:25] abraxas: You have a point.
[04:25] yenz: abraxas: Lorentz already suggested the solution ;)
[04:25] abraxas: forking... great.
[04:25] Lorentz: Remember to write your change well, and request for a pull
[04:25] abraxas: My situation is not that unique :)
[04:25] Lorentz: so everyone can benefit \o/
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[04:28] abraxas: I'll have a look.
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[04:37] jmoyers: there a way to make npm ignore version requirements of node?
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[04:38] smtlaissezfaire: What's the new hotness in terms of managing async-flow code?  Is step still being used?
[04:38] fg3: wondering why I have both (~/node_modules, 500 files) and (~/.npm 900 files )
[04:39] Nuck: Maaaaaan, I could whoop deviantART's ass at art siting.
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[04:46] AAA_awright: Nuck: Any progress on that?
[04:48] jslatts_: smtlaissezfaire: nested curly braces are back in style
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[04:51] chapel: jslatts_: hola
[04:51] jslatts_: whats up chapel
[04:52] chapel: not much, just coding a bit, rocking out
[04:52] jslatts_: nice
[04:52] chapel: looking forward to the buildguild
[04:52] jslatts_: always good to rock out. yeah, me too
[04:52] jslatts_: i'm checking out thoonk.js right now
[04:52] chapel: whats that?
[04:53] chrisdickinson: whew, just got done with a library to wrap stack traces and provide metadata about them (and it has a prettyprint for them, too): http://neversaw.us/media/traces.png
[04:53] chrisdickinson: (it's at github.com/chrisdickinson/tracejs, i'd love feedback / to know if it's useful to anyone but myself)
[04:53] chapel: `v git burrito substack @ chrisdickinson
[04:53] v8bot: chrisdickinson: substack/node-burrito - GitHub - https://github.com/substack/node-burrito/tree/
[04:54] chrisdickinson: chapel: i know about burrito; this is just for error stack traces
[04:54] jslatts_: chapel: http://blog.thoonk.com/
[04:54] chapel: https://github.com/substack/node-stackedy
[04:54] chapel: chrisdickinson: just sharing :)
[04:55] chrisdickinson: chapel: cool :) yeah, i took a look at stackedy before writing this, it didn't seem to have the same aims
[04:56] chrisdickinson: i was basically just looking for prettier stack traces + an easy way to get at file context for a frame
[04:56] chapel: yeah
[04:56] chapel: guess really you could have used stackedy possibly to do what you wanted
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[04:59] chapel: jslatts_: did you read about the mtgox issues with the hacked trade?
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[05:06] Nuck: Does the console have colors yet?
[05:06] Nuck: Like, built in utilities?
[05:06] chapel: node.js?
[05:06] Nuck: Aye
[05:06] chapel: not built in
[05:06] Nuck: I have my own console colors lib
[05:06] chapel: `v git color.js
[05:06] v8bot: chapel: #86: Color.js - Questions about color formats - Issues - mrdoob ... - https://github.com/mrdoob/three.js/issues/86
[05:06] Nuck: I was just wondering
[05:06] chapel: hmm wrong one
[05:06] mape: eyes.js
[05:06] chapel: `v git colors.js
[05:06] v8bot: chapel: #4: Add multi-mode styling - Issues - Marak/colors.js - GitHub - https://github.com/Marak/colors.js/issues/4
[05:07] Nuck: mape: I dig your npm page.  It should be official, IMO.
[05:08] mape: Nuck: :) The more the merrier
[05:08] Nuck: BEats the normal one :P
[05:08] Nuck: Dear god it's too hot here
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[05:08] Nuck: We've got 4 fans in this half of the house, plus our central A/C, plus a room A/C
[05:08] Nuck: And all 4 fans are on max
[05:08] Nuck: And it's still 85
[05:08] Nuck: (F)
[05:09] Nuck: Not gonna do the math to convert to Celsius.
[05:10] systemfault: Blame america.
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[05:11] chapel:  Weather for Spokane, WA · 61°F (16°C) · Humidity: 67% · Clear · Wind: NNE at 4 mph · Last Updated on June 21, 9:53 PM PDT
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[05:12] Nuck: 33°C here :S
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[05:35] Nuck: 
ACTION sighs

[05:35] Nuck: It's almost colder outside than it is inside now :/
[05:35] chapel: I hate that
[05:36] chapel: at that point, you should shut down everything and get the outside air in
[05:36] chapel: we have a little window fan for my room, kicks the ac's ass
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[05:39] Nuck: chapel: We'll open the dront door and leave our A/C running :P
[05:40] Nuck: double the mint, double the fun.
[05:40] Nuck: It's a statement of the grat mint of doublemint gum.
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[05:58] Tobsn: is anyone using jquery bbq?
[05:58] Tobsn: i dont really get the point of push states
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[06:14] d_c: Tobsn: i've used jquery address for a while, what don't you get?
[06:14] Tobsn: well what does push state do?
[06:14] Tobsn: does it attach more and more fragments?
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[06:16] Tobsn: hmm you think jquery address is better?
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[06:20] d_c: Tobsn: i've used it more
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[06:20] Tobsn: well all i need is navigation on a single level with a query string... kinda like #images?q=123
[06:20] Tobsn: erm #/images?q=123
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[06:21] d_c: Tobsn: http://www.asual.com/jquery/address/samples/api/
[06:22] d_c: I believe that  does the trick
[06:22] Tobsn: hmm
[06:22] Tobsn: k, ill just try it
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[06:23] Tobsn: thanks for pointing me at jquery address, didnt knew that existed
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[06:23] Tobsn: btw. does jquery address has something like bbq's linkification plugin?
[06:23] cummingscm: .
[06:23] Tobsn: where it would attach fragments to internal urls
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[06:24] d_c: Tobsn: $.address.baseURL()
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[06:25] d_c: Tobsn; $.address.parameter(name) will give you access to the params (http://www.asual.com/jquery/address/docs/)
[06:25] Tobsn: k, gonna try it right now
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[06:41] Nuck: Oh fuck
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[06:41] Nuck: LULZSEC GOT HACKED.
[06:41] Nuck: 
ACTION cries of laughter

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[06:46] Tobsn: what got hacked?
[06:46] yenz: isn't that called "getting arrested" RL? ;)
[06:46] Nuck: lawl no
[06:46] Nuck: Another group took them out
[06:47] Nuck: http://ifoundtheinter.net/?p=77
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[07:02] bob_: May I ask a stupid question?
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[07:03] Tobsn: you already did
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[07:06] tonymilne: LOL!
[07:06] tonymilne: double or nothing bob_
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[07:16] keyvan: hey what do you guys use for your permanent datastore?
[07:17] keyvan: or what's popular
[07:17] keyvan: not even permanent, but just data storage solutions--what do you guys recommend? 
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[07:19] polotek: Anybody know how standard Array.prototype.splice is?
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[07:21] Tobsn: keyvan, mongodb
[07:21] Tobsn: i dropped mysql a year ago
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[07:23] mekwall: Tobsn: mongodb doesn't play well with openvz virtual machines :(
[07:23] Tobsn: why not?
[07:24] mekwall: runs out of memory
[07:24] mekwall: and crashes
[07:24] Nuck: Oh noes
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[07:24] Tobsn: but thats a openvz issue then
[07:24] mekwall: https://jira.mongodb.org/browse/SERVER-1121
[07:24] mekwall: is it? :P
[07:24] Tobsn: does it simulate more memory than it has?
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[07:24] mekwall: no
[07:24] keyvan: well thanks Tobsn
[07:25] Tobsn: keyvan, with node.js mongodb is super easy to handle - also #mongodb is a lot of help for mongodb related questions, you have all the main developers of 10gen in there
[07:25] Tobsn: very very helpful
[07:25] Nuck: Fuck yeah another chat to stay in lol
[07:26] keyvan: Tobsn: awesome, thx
[07:26] yenz: hey fellas... been awhile since i've used node-inspector; anyone successfully using it w/ node 0.4.8?
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[07:27] Tobsn: mekwall, i still stick with openvz does something mongodb doesnt recognize
[07:27] Tobsn: ;)
[07:27] Tobsn: so its probably a 50:50 issue
[07:27] mekwall: probably
[07:27] Tobsn: know what i mean?
[07:27] mekwall: yes
[07:27] Tobsn: openvz probably assigns the vmemory in a weird way
[07:27] Tobsn: and mongodb expects it in a the "real" way
[07:28] Tobsn: and bam
[07:28] mekwall: but couchdb works and nearly all other software ;)
[07:28] Tobsn: but who wants to use couchdb hehe
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[07:29] Tobsn: but i also dont know shit about openvz
[07:29] Tobsn: i know what it does and what it is
[07:29] Tobsn: but thats about it ;)
[07:31] polotek: mongodb uses memory mapped files. and it also uses a ton of RAM by design
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[07:31] Tobsn: well
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[07:31] Tobsn: it uses all of your ram
[07:31] Tobsn: but its kernel controlled
[07:32] [AD]Turbo: hi there
[07:32] Tobsn: you know, unused ram is unused ram
[07:32] Lorentz: Might as well use it
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[07:32] polotek: exactly, so if a virtual environment doesn't implement memory mapped files in a robust way, there will be problems
[07:32] polotek: that's my understanding anyway
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[07:35] Nuck: Lorentz: Very valid point :P
[07:35] Lorentz: I admit though, OSs don't often do memory mapping properly imo
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[07:36] Nuck: Lorentz: I use Linux for my servers i dunno what YOU'RE talking about :P
[07:36] Lorentz: Probably never will do it properly. There's never really any situation where you really have unlimited memory.
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[07:36] Lorentz: So why write code that does assume unlimited memory.
[07:37] polotek: Lorentz: it doesn't assume unlimited memory
[07:37] Nuck: Lorentz: Because it scales well?
[07:37] polotek: maybe the user code does, but that's different
[07:37] polotek: the mmap you just use it like a file
[07:37] Nuck: Better than tj's Memory SessionStore in Express
[07:37] polotek: and if there's no memory it should surface as a "could not write file" type of error
[07:38] polotek: I'm sure I'm dumbing it down
[07:38] polotek: possible even getting it completely wrong
[07:38] polotek: but it certainly has a mechanism to tell you when you're out of RAM
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[07:41] Nuck: Hallo everyone who just joined all at once.
[07:41] Nuck: And good morning :P
[07:41] tuhoojabotti: Oh no, not him again.
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[07:41] Nuck: tuhoojabotti: Shut up fergeant.
[07:42] tuhoojabotti: I was just joking ♡
[07:42] Nuck: tuhoojabotti: :P
[07:42] Nuck: tuhoojabotti: y u use such hipster symbols?
[07:42] tuhoojabotti: Nuck: Because I AM a hipster.
[07:43] Nuck: tuhoojabotti: But WTF hipster admits being a hipster?
[07:43] Nuck: Is it because it's ironic?
[07:44] tuhoojabotti: I'm not feeding the troll.
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[07:49] mekwall: tuhoojabotti: good morning neighbour!
[07:49] tuhoojabotti: Morning
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[07:50] dall: hi
[07:50] Lorentz: Damn, he left
[07:51] tuhoojabotti: dall: Hello
[07:51] Lorentz: Nuck: in my experience, if you have a swap-less linux machine and you hit memory limit, it starts either killing things or thrashing.
[07:51] Lorentz: depends on the kernel params, obviously
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[08:05] dall: hello tuhoojabotti 
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[08:08] Nuck: Lorentz: Ah, but swaps are quite important ;)
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[08:10] Lorentz: Nuck: Many vps-s don't do swap
[08:10] Lorentz: Because it just delays what should be "get more RAM"
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[08:10] Nuck: Lorentz: lol
[08:11] Nuck: Lorentz: Good thing I plan to host my upcoming project with a damn good host ;)
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[08:11] Lorentz: Even on a decent host, you're better off trying not to hit swap.
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[08:15] dans: jim
[08:15] jakeg: what's the best mongodb module for node?
[08:15] Tobsn: i just use the normal drivers
[08:16] framlin: its always stupid to asume there is anytime net-connection and endless memory .... 
[08:16] jakeg: Tobsn: which ones are they?
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[08:17] Tobsn: actually
[08:17] Tobsn: i use mongoq
[08:18] Tobsn: mongo = require('/www/utils/node_modules/mongoq'),
[08:18] Tobsn:     db = mongo('mongodb:\/\/localhost/logs'),
[08:18] Tobsn: access = db.collection( 'access' );
[08:18] Tobsn: where access is the collection and than you just command it
[08:18] Tobsn: access.find() etc.
[08:19] Tobsn: https://github.com/zzdhidden/mongoq
[08:19] jakeg: ta. is this better than mongoose?
[08:19] Tobsn: depends on what you need
[08:19] Tobsn: mongoose is a different type of lib for mongodb
[08:19] Tobsn: mongoq is very simple
[08:20] Tobsn: where mongoose is active record i think
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[08:20] Tobsn: http://blog.learnboost.com/blog/mongoose/
[08:20] jakeg: k, will do some more research, thanks :)
[08:20] Tobsn: see examples, they compare
[08:21] Tobsn: see with mongoose you can create models
[08:21] Tobsn: the stuff i do is very crude so mongoq is good enough for me
[08:22] Tobsn: my frontend is php and for that i actually use activemongo which is an activerecord class
[08:23] Lorentz: I use mongoose
[08:23] Lorentz: It's good stuff
[08:23] roblarter: off topic, but how you finding mongodb?
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[08:24] Charuru: `3rdEden: how do we authenticate users in .7.2
[08:24] jakeg: Tobsn: "We see in these previous examples the use of ‘noSchema’. While Mongoose does provide a Modeling system it doesn’t force you into it."
[08:24] Charuru: no longer have access to request.headers?
[08:24] Tobsn: jakeg, yeah i know
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[08:27] `3rdEden: https://github.com/LearnBoost/Socket.IO-node/wiki/Configuring-Socket.IO
[08:27] `3rdEden: Charuru ^
[08:28] `3rdEden: see the zThe authorization function
[08:28] Charuru: ok thanks
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[08:28] Tobsn: `3rdEden, if i update, any code changes needed?
[08:29] `3rdEden: 0.6 > 0.7 is not compatible
[08:29] `3rdEden: so yes
[08:29] Tobsn: hu?
[08:29] `3rdEden: you are fucked if you upgrade
[08:29] `3rdEden: and not change your code
[08:29] `3rdEden: as the whole API has changed
[08:30] Charuru: `3rdEden: please provide an example
[08:30] Tobsn: and you prepared conversion instructions
[08:30] Charuru: of the auth code
[08:30] Tobsn: right? ;)
[08:30] Charuru: Tobsn: just don't upgrade
[08:30] Charuru: there will certainly be more better doc in the future
[08:30] Tobsn: oh i like you
[08:31] Charuru: thanks, me too
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[08:31] `3rdEden: Charuru https://github.com/LearnBoost/Socket.IO-node/blob/master/test/manager.test.js#L394-415
[08:31] Tobsn: now do me
[08:31] Tobsn: ;)
[08:31] `3rdEden: ewww
[08:31] Charuru: ok checking it out, thanks
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[08:32] `3rdEden: Tobsn no upgrade path docs yet
[08:32] Tobsn: no docs at all?
[08:32] `3rdEden: didn't had time for it yesterday, but I was able to finish the configuting socket.io shizzle :$
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[08:33] `3rdEden: Did you checkout http://socket.io
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[08:33] `3rdEden: allot of stuff is documentated there
[08:33] Charuru: to upgrade
[08:33] Charuru: basically the only thing i changed was add '.sockets' after io
[08:34] Tobsn: socket.io is updated?
[08:34] Charuru: that was a dumb statment
[08:34] Charuru: i mean
[08:34] Tobsn: looks almost the same to me
[08:34] Charuru: io.sockets.on('connection', instead of io.on('connection',
[08:34] `3rdEden: notice the 7 in the logo ;)?
[08:34] Tobsn: ah
[08:34] Charuru: and it basically works, the only thing that doesn't is auth
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[08:35] Charuru: oh also had to change the client side
[08:35] Tobsn: so instead of send you use emoit and instead of on message you use on handle?
[08:35] Charuru: you don't have to
[08:35] Charuru: you can still use send
[08:35] Charuru: or so it says
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[08:37] Dantas: hi everyone, i guess that im the new node.js lover :) . I have some questions ( boring ) ... First of all: To accomplish asynchronous I/O Node use a background thread or not ? Is there any doc talking about that ? Im raelly curious :D
[08:37] Tobsn: you know this is irc
[08:37] Tobsn: not a forum or a maillist ;)
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[08:38] Dantas: sorry Tobsn !
[08:38] Tobsn: yeah you better be
[08:38] Tobsn: ?
[08:38] Tobsn: `3rdEden, why is my name in the docs?
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[08:38] Tobsn: oh its the dumb ferret
[08:38] Tobsn: ...
[08:38] tmylen: Hi, Help, I went through all the fixes in the install guide and I still get the following:C:\cygwin\bin>dash /bin/rebaseall /usr/lib/cygicudata.dll: skipped because nonexistent /usr/lib/cygicui18n.dll: skipped because nonexistent /usr/lib/cygicuio.dll: skipped because nonexistent /usr/lib/cygicule.dll: skipped because nonexistent /usr/lib/cygiculx.dll: skipped because nonexistent /usr/lib/cygicutu.dll: skipped because nonexistent /usr
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[08:39] Dantas: Tobsn: where is the oficial forum ?
[08:39] Dantas: google groups ?
[08:39] Tobsn: omg
[08:39] Tobsn: Dantas, i just meant that you dont need to introduce yourself
[08:40] Tobsn: Dantas
[08:40] Tobsn: http://debuggable.com/posts/understanding-node-js:4bd98440-45e4-4a9a-8ef7-0f7ecbdd56cb
[08:40] Tobsn: first result on google for "how does node.js work"
[08:40] Dantas: thanks
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[08:41] Tobsn: Dantas
[08:41] Tobsn: http://www.nodebeginner.org/
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[08:42] Dantas: Tobsn: yeah, i read this page before. Im looking for how assync I/O ( Data base read, network, ... ) is accomplished ! I whether use thread to do that or not !
[08:42] Dantas: not too superficial !
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[08:43] davidbanham: Dantas: Ryan talks a bit about the async model in this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6k8lTrAE2g
[08:45] Dantas: thanks davidbanham  ! appreciate dude
[08:45] Tobsn: http://blog.mixu.net/2011/02/01/understanding-the-node-js-event-loop/
[08:45] Tobsn: here is the event loop explained
[08:45] Dantas: oww, right now, thanks Tobsn  !!  now i have sure that come back to the chat !
[08:46] Dantas: :D
[08:46] Tobsn: whats your native language?
[08:47] Nuck: Tobsn: JavaScript.
[08:47] bogomips2__: goodmorning, inside browser to call dynamic name function passed as aroument i used window['myFunction'](); inside nodejs what is the best method to do this without eval ?
[08:48] Nuck: bogomips2__: Should still work, but never use window.
[08:48] Nuck: Not even in the browser
[08:48] Tobsn: bogomips2__, the same way
[08:48] Dantas: Tobsn: portuguese
[08:48] Tobsn: its the same language
[08:48] Tobsn: Dantas, ah okay
[08:48] bogomips2__: yws but windows object does not exist i think
[08:49] Dantas: Tobsn: Brazilian
[08:49] Nuck: Tobsn: Not entirely true, window doesn't exist IIRC
[08:49] Tobsn: bogomips2__, just take a different one
[08:49] bogomips2__: ok thanks
[08:49] Tobsn: nuck? that just made no sense
[08:49] Tobsn: hehe
[08:49] Nuck: bogomips2__: var window = {};
[08:49] Nuck: lol
[08:49] Tobsn: lol
[08:49] Tobsn: and BAM
[08:49] Tobsn: fixed
[08:49] Nuck: Tobsn: :P
[08:50] Tobsn: window||window={}
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[08:51] Tobsn: man i wish google would make closure to keep used variables the same name and not shorten them
[08:51] Tobsn: if i compile jquery stuff it completely wrecks everything
[08:52] jetienne: Tobsn: no option for that ?
[08:52] Tobsn: i bet there is
[08:53] Nuck: Tobsn: Wow, Ryan is kinda a clumsy speaker :P
[08:53] Tobsn: yep
[08:53] Tobsn: hes funny to watch
[08:53] framlin: bogomips2__: if you want to use "window" you may take jsdom
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[08:54] Nuck: Tobsn: I'm lucky, I've been presenting in front of classes for 4 years now so I'm used to public speaking
[08:54] Nuck: But I guess most programmers are not quite so blessed.
[08:55] bogomips2__: framlin, thanks i do a console.log of jsdom to examinate struct 
[08:57] Tobsn: back
[08:57] Tobsn: spider, ceiling.
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[08:57] Nuck: Wow, ry's got an odd accent
[08:58] Nuck: Can't tell what accent it is :/
[08:58] `3rdEden: geek accent :)
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[08:58] Nuck: `3rdEden: lol true :P 
[08:58] Nuck: I think I hear a bit of jew in there ;)
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[09:02] Nuck: "mechagnism"
[09:02] Nuck: Damnit
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[09:05] Tobsn: okay
[09:05] Tobsn: closure can handle external libs
[09:05] Tobsn: you just have to include them
[09:05] Tobsn: but it will download them and include it into the output hehe
[09:05] Tobsn: *facepalm
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[09:06] Tobsn: it also removes functions that arent used... or at least it doesnt know they are used because i use them within jquery templates
[09:07] Tobsn: `3rdEden
[09:07] Tobsn: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1656816/Screenshots/k-l0.png
[09:07] Charuru: use uglify
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[09:07] Charuru: y r u using closure
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[09:08] Tobsn: why would i use uglify?
[09:08] Skola: How much attention do you guy pay to keeping your lines under 80 chars?
[09:08] Charuru: why not? doesn't it compress better
[09:08] framlin: not very much
[09:08] framlin: Skola: ...
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[09:09] Tobsn: skola, not much
[09:09] Tobsn: these days that doesnt really matter
[09:09] `3rdEden: Tobsn wut?
[09:09] framlin: Skola: depends on the content of the line and how ugly a linebreak would be
[09:09] Skola: ok, makes sense
[09:09] Tobsn: `3rdEden, closure is nagging on the old socket.io js
[09:09] Tobsn: client
[09:10] `3rdEden: o
[09:10] `3rdEden: 1 whole error :O
[09:11] Tobsn: ;)
[09:11] Tobsn: FIX IT!
[09:11] `3rdEden: its not an issue
[09:12] `3rdEden: our JS is to 1337 for the compiler
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[09:12] `3rdEden: but srsly, we just ran out ot space so we split the code on a semicolon
[09:12] `3rdEden: but you can just swtich the the minified version and it will be fine
[09:13] Tobsn: i was just joking ;)
[09:14] Tobsn: i tried out closure with exernal files and thats the error the minified socket.io client js threw
[09:15] `3rdEden: orly?
[09:15] `3rdEden: was it minified or not?
[09:15] Tobsn: minified
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[09:15] Tobsn: man someone has to write a coda plugin that uses the google closure api, fetches all src references, takes your code inside the html, compiles it all together and spits out the compiled source
[09:16] Tobsn: man that would be so nice
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[09:17] Nuck: WTF "jay-sawn"?
[09:17] Nuck: REALLY NOW?
[09:17] Nuck: "J-S-O-N"
[09:17] Tobsn: jason
[09:18] Nexxy: Nuck, why don't you just cut to the chase and start telling us which text editor to use
[09:18] Tobsn: json voorhees
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[09:18] Nuck: Nexxy: FUCK VI.
[09:18] Tobsn: komodo or coda
[09:19] Nuck: I'd use Koda or TextMate on a mac, those two look awesome.
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[09:19] Nuck: As for my windows, I'm happy with N++
[09:19] Charuru: Nuck = NuckingFuts?
[09:19] Nexxy: I use notepad in wine
[09:19] Nuck: Charuru: ayup
[09:19] mendel_: I use notepad in vmware
[09:20] Nuck: I use wordpad in vmware in vmware in vmware on Ubuntu
[09:20] mendel_: haha
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[09:20] Nuck: "pawsix"
[09:21] Nuck: Interesting pronunciations.
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[09:21] Nuck: oh lord 0.1.102
[09:21] Nuck: This is OOOOOOOOOLD.
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[09:23] Nexxy: ck*
[09:24] Nexxy: wooooops
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[09:24] Tobsn: i actually use nano most of the time
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[09:26] Tobsn: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1656816/Screenshots/zuh6.png
[09:26] Charuru: `3rdEden: after auth how do i get access to the client object
[09:26] Tobsn: looks like that ;)
[09:26] Charuru: so that i can store the auth result / username info onto the socket.io clicent object?
[09:26] `3rdEden: Charuru #socket.io
[09:27] `3rdEden: oh
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[09:27] t4nk822: test
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[09:36] alessioalex:  How can I bootstrap Dojo 1.7 with Node?
[09:36] alessioalex: anybody have a clue?
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[09:47] Nuck: oh god ry is piping a cat in this video
[09:47] Nuck: OH THE HUMANITY D:
[09:48] Nuck: And now he's pumping it D:
[09:49] Nexxy: tmi
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[10:34] tuhoojabotti: Any finns here?
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[10:34] tuhoojabotti: tolaine D:
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[10:40] tolaine: tuhoojabotti: jep :)
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[10:40] Skola: anyone read the criticisms @ http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2680223 ?
[10:40] tuhoojabotti: tolaine: Tuu ircnetin kannulle kans. :P
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[10:43] rpj8: with the latest socket.io in npm, I'm getting "socket.send is not a function." anyone else running into this issue? code worked fine before on socket.6
[10:44] `3rdEden: rpj8 0.7 's api is not compatible with 0.6
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[10:47] `3rdEden: So you probably need to some changes to your code
[10:54] rpj8: `3rdEden: ah rats.
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[11:01] Nexxy: oh my god
[11:02] Nexxy: anyone have any recommendations for flow control?
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[11:02] Nexxy: async.js?
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[11:06] SubStack: Nexxy: the best flow control lib is one you write yourself
[11:06] SubStack: I'm with isaacs on this one
[11:06] Nexxy: lol
[11:07] Nexxy: the best x is the x you y yourself
[11:07] `3rdEden: + on that
[11:07] `3rdEden: +1 *
[11:07] Nexxy: so then
[11:07] Nexxy: 2nd best?
[11:07] SubStack: http://github.com/substack/node-seq <-- mine
[11:07] Nexxy: HMMPH
[11:07] SubStack: so naturally it's the best
[11:07] Nexxy: is it clientsideable?
[11:07] SubStack: yep
[11:07] Nexxy: KAY
[11:07] Nexxy: THANKS FELLER
[11:07] Nexxy: npm install node-seq?
[11:07] SubStack: well, with browserify it's clientsideable at least
[11:07] SubStack: npm install seq
[11:08] Nexxy: siiiiiigh
[11:08] Nexxy: I'll just nest things to all hell
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[11:08] Nexxy: nevermind ;P
[11:08] Nexxy: I just wanted a cheap and easy way to wrap a bunch of sequential callbacks ;<
[11:09] Nexxy: like the chipotle of async js
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[11:10] SubStack: Nexxy: https://gist.github.com/1039891
[11:11] SubStack: generated using: node -e "require('browserify')().require('seq').bundle()" | xclip
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[11:12] Nexxy: SubStack, http://bit.ly/iqKZIX
[11:12] SubStack: yes
[11:12] Nexxy: 
ACTION claps excitedly

[11:12] Nexxy: do it again do it again
[11:12] SubStack: proof: http://substack.net/images/browserify/browserify.png
[11:12] bogomips2__: someone know how to send data to specific user using socket.io 0.7 ? thanks
[11:12] Nexxy: that looks nothing like you
[11:14] SubStack: browserify is fun times
[11:16] `3rdEden: bogomips2__ did you read the docs?
[11:16] `3rdEden: http://socket.io
[11:16] Nexxy: `3rdEden, way to rtfm
[11:16] Nexxy: meanie
[11:16] mekwall: http://jsfiddle.net/mekwall/pMZge/show/
[11:16] `3rdEden: ;)
[11:17] mekwall: mind trying that out and give me a howl?
[11:17] Nexxy: is there an easy way to get the client host of a websocket connection?
[11:17] SubStack: bogomips2__: in 0.6 at least sending data to specific users is the usual way it's done
[11:17] bogomips2__: `3rdEden, i have found all info but no this :D
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[11:17] SubStack: Nexxy: from the server side?
[11:17] Nexxy: yeah
[11:18] Nexxy: I want to use it as a key
[11:18] Nexxy: when a client connects
[11:18] Nexxy: so I don't have to use a post to find it
[11:18] Nexxy: or a get I suppose
[11:23] bogomips2__: SubStack, in 0.7 there is some change 
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[11:28] vpereira: how can i do it in js [1,"10.0.0.1","foo"].pack 'l! a4 Z*' ?
[11:28] vpereira: and become a binary string as result?
[11:28] vpereira: like "\x01\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x0010.0foo\x00"
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[11:39] shinuza: vpereira: use message pack?
[11:40] vpereira: shinuza: message pack?
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[11:40] shinuza: vpereira: https://github.com/pgriess/node-msgpack
[11:40] shinuza: http://msgpack.org/ also
[11:41] Tobsn: does anyone here use jquery bbq?
[11:41] vpereira: shinuza: the same author that wrote the first JSPack, that doesn't work
[11:41] Tobsn: i have some problems with it...
[11:41] Skola: Tobsn yes I do
[11:41] vpereira: shinuza: but it looks good
[11:41] Tobsn: how do i set the hash fragements onto existing urls?
[11:41] Tobsn: i tried $.param.fragement( 'qp', $(this).attr('title') ); but that errors out with an error i cant see cause the page reloads
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[11:42] Skola: I'm pretty sure you mean $.param.fragment
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[11:43] Skola: other than that I see nothing wrong with what youre trying to do
[11:43] Tobsn: da,not
[11:43] Tobsn: damnit
[11:43] Tobsn: just now i got the error to show by moving the preventdefault
[11:43] shinuza: vpereira: haven't tested the node port but the python port does work
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[11:44] Tobsn: hmm doesnt work
[11:44] Tobsn: it doesnt set the hash
[11:44] vpereira: shinuza: first it should be able to compile in a ubuntu linux, it didn't :-)
[11:44] shinuza: meh
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[11:45] Tobsn: hmm just nothing happens
[11:46] shinuza: vpereira: output of the error?
[11:46] Tobsn: is there some sort of trick?
[11:47] Tobsn: skola, do i need to initiate bbq somehow?
[11:47] vpereira: shinuza: http://pastebin.com/vBcjWvZj
[11:48] Skola: no
[11:48] Skola: but you have to pushState
[11:48] vpereira: schinuza: node::Buffer changed the API or somebody made something wrong
[11:48] Skola: @ hashchange
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[11:49] Skola: but there's a couple of ways you can use it
[11:49] Tobsn: hmm
[11:49] Tobsn: yeah but how do i trigger the hashchance in the first place hehe
[11:50] Tobsn: i mean all i have in the code right now that is bbq related is the param.fragment
[11:50] Tobsn: but thats doing nothing
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[11:51] shinuza: vpereira: installed from npm?
[11:51] vpereira: shinuza: both i do receive same error
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[11:51] vpereira: shinuza: github or npm 
[11:51] shinuza: ok, I do too
[11:52] tim_smart: SubStack: command | gista -n bundle.js <3
[11:53] vpereira: shinuza: https://github.com/pgriess/node-msgpack/pull/14
[11:53] vpereira: shinuza: looks like somebody fixed it
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[11:56] shinuza: https://github.com/typester/node-msgpack works for me vpereira
[11:56] shinuza: git clone this
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[11:56] shinuza: then git submodule update
[11:56] shinuza: then cd msgpack-dev/cpp && ./bootstrap
[11:56] vpereira: shinuza: i cloned this https://github.com/jmars/node-msgpack
[11:56] vpereira: shinuza: that's why somehow i hate github
[11:57] shinuza: github can be such a ghetto sometimes
[11:57] shinuza: ahah
[11:57] vpereira: shinuza: github created this culture forkyourself that sometimes just make the things harder :-)
[11:58] shinuza: yeah, there should be a concept of maintainer
[11:59] Bwen: any suggest on how to securely login between socket.io(client) and nodejs?  
[11:59] shinuza: obviously the project link on msgpack website is an abandon ware 
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[12:01] shinuza: vpereira: your version works for me as well but hell to what have been done on each fork in-between
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[12:02] Bwen: what are you guys talking about... there was a commit on June 6, 2011... hardly abandon ware ?
[12:03] Tobsn: skola, any idea why param.fragment itself wont work?
[12:03] Tobsn: i just tried everything i could come up with
[12:03] Tobsn: nothing changes
[12:03] vpereira: shinuza: but the results still different or at least not as string
[12:03] shinuza: meh
[12:04] Bwen: oh nm, I get it :P
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[12:11] vpereira: shinuza: in ruby the msgpack works :-)
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[12:15] Tobsn: skola, how can i push the state onto other urls?
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[12:20] swilson06: how do i make socket.io use ssl?
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[12:22] `3rdEden: give it a https server to listen on
[12:22] `3rdEden: and in io.connect use HTTPs. eg io.connect('https://example.com')
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[12:24] `3rdEden: swilson06 ^
[12:24] `3rdEden: also, we have a channel #socket.io
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[12:32] Tobsn: arg this drives me nuts
[12:32] Tobsn: i want to attach a fragment
[12:32] Tobsn: :/
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[12:33] shinuza: vpereira: The ruby version is the original implementation
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[12:34] level09: why is flash socket disabled by default ?
[12:34] level09: oops wrong window
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[12:35] vpereira: i was digging around, looks like people are trying to implement a pack function to node but until now, nothing stable
[12:35] vpereira: crazy that it isn't part from javascript stdlib
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[12:39] level09: `3rdEden: seems from the example that I dont need to create the http server ? 
[12:41] `3rdEden: level09 (wrong window :P ) no, you don't if you just do a .listen(80) it will generate a server for you
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[12:45] Tobsn: Skola, still there?
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[12:52] imagin: hi
[12:53] imagin: is any one thr??
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[12:53] imagin: i have a query..
[12:54] `3rdEden: we don't query, we use mapreduce
[12:55] `3rdEden: but feel free to ask questions ;)
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[12:58] vannyn: hi to all
[12:58] tuhoojabotti: Hello
[12:58] vannyn: I'm having troubles using webservice.js module
[12:58] vannyn: someone has  used it?
[13:00] vannyn: I loke a lot the rest mind inside webservice, but I've to use sessions
[13:00] vannyn: "I like"*
[13:00] seawise: good morning #everyone
[13:01] tuhoojabotti: evening
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[13:04] vannyn: anybody can help me?
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[13:09] stagas: vannyn: insert it in a middleware
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[13:09] stagas: vannyn: you could modify this to check for authentication https://github.com/Marak/webservice.js/blob/master/lib/createHandler.js
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[13:16] aslakhellesoy: Does anyone know how to publish node packages to an *internal* server?
[13:16] aslakhellesoy: I.e. how do I package up my project? Just tar czf ?
[13:17] aslakhellesoy: Or is there an npm command that will do it for me
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[13:19] ablomen: aslakhellesoy, you might want to put it on a git/svn/whatever server and pull it wherever you need it
[13:19] ablomen: i don't think you can (easily) set up an npm server (can be very wrong though) and use that, so this is the next best way to handle versions, updates etc
[13:20] aslakhellesoy: ablomen: I'll just put it on an internal web server, and other apps can refer to it with a full url in their package.json
[13:20] aslakhellesoy: My question is not about uploading, but *packaging*
[13:20] aslakhellesoy: How do I turn my lib into a tgz basically
[13:21] aslakhellesoy: I think npm does that as part of "npm publish")
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[13:22] ablomen: that's what i am saying, putting it in a tar might not be the best way, using something like git will give you the option to update stuff, fork it for different cases etc, if you just extract a tar every time keeping track of your changes etc will become a huge hassle
[13:23] ablomen: and that way, it would be "packaged" in a git branch
[13:23] aslakhellesoy: ablomen: my code is in git :-)
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[13:24] aslakhellesoy: If I only keep the code in git, other projects can't easily depend on it in their package.json files...
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[13:26] aslakhellesoy: Here is what I want to do in foo's package.json: "dependencies": { "bar": "http://internalserver/bar-0.1.2.tgz" }
[13:26] aslakhellesoy: That already works
[13:27] aslakhellesoy: My question is simply: What's the best way to create the bar tgz?
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[13:27] aslakhellesoy: ablomen: You see what I mean?
[13:28] ablomen: ah ok yes i get you
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[13:28] aslakhellesoy: Of course I can tar czf my project every time I git tag it, but there must be something inside npm that can do this for me..
[13:29] aslakhellesoy: But there is no "npm package" or similar command :-/
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[13:32] ablomen: aslakhellesoy, i am not sure but did you try just pointing to the package.json file or the directory?
[13:32] ablomen: you can use npm install in that way
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[13:40] aslakhellesoy: You mean stand in foo/ and do npm install?
[13:40] aslakhellesoy: Sorry, in bar/ I mean
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[13:42] ablomen: aslakhellesoy, well in whatever directory you can do npm install /foo/bar/moduleRootDir/
[13:43] ablomen: or at least, that's what the docs say
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[14:00] aslakhellesoy: ablomen: I'm not trying to install anything
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[14:00] aslakhellesoy: I'm just trying to create a tgz :-)
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[14:02] Tobsn: nice
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[14:02] Tobsn: i got jquery bbq implemented
[14:02] vpereira: shinuza: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6440265/pack-for-javascript-and-return-a-binary-string
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[14:03] dtan: tobsn - bbq is nice so you don't have to worry so much about having so much set up for deeplinking
[14:03] Tobsn: http://dev.explore.cm/
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[14:04] bingomanatee: Hey is there any way to determine which variables have been scoped in the context of an EJS template in express.js
[14:04] shinuza: vpereira: hum, too bad it's pre 0.5 based
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[14:04] bingomanatee: or for that matter the names of the scoped variables in node.js  in general?
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[14:04] Tobsn: i like that the suggestion stuff is bbq too
[14:04] vpereira: shinuza: is that a problem?
[14:04] shinuza: vpereira: it's not stable, and wont be before long
[14:05] shinuza: I think Ryan talked about ~5 months
[14:05] vpereira: shinuza: but how unstable are the things with node.js?
[14:05] bingomanatee: PHP is not stable :D
[14:06] vpereira: bingomanatee: ?
[14:06] bingomanatee: It has memory leaks
[14:06] vpereira: php language, node.js framework
[14:06] swilson06: `3rdEden: thanks (for the socket.io ssl)
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[14:07] vpereira: bingomanatee: where does php has memory leak. ruby had as well
[14:07] bingomanatee: Ruby still does. 
[14:07] vpereira: shinuza: do you know the release process of all node.js
[14:07] tuhoojabotti: v8bot: "lol".toString(2)
[14:07] v8bot: tuhoojabotti: Use v8: <code> to evaluate code or "`v commands" for a list of v8bot commands.
[14:07] tuhoojabotti: uh
[14:08] tuhoojabotti: v8: "lol".toString(2)
[14:08] v8bot: tuhoojabotti: "lol"
[14:08] bingomanatee: I'm juust saying -- if you plan to wait until a language or framework has been perfected to use it you are not getting much done in this business
[14:08] tuhoojabotti: :P
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[14:09] vpereira: bingomanatee: ? I just want to know what is considered unstable for node.js.. or pre. pre for rails, for example, is something usable already
[14:09] shinuza: bingomanatee: so long for the support as well
[14:10] shinuza: vpereira: I've managed to build HEAD a few weeks ago, doesn't mean I will put it in production :)
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[14:11] `3rdEden: v8: "lol".blink()
[14:11] v8bot: `3rdEden: "<blink>lol</blink>"
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[14:11] `3rdEden: #winning
[14:11] shinuza: if you are just experimenting I guess that's ok, either way you could backport the new Buffer API 
[14:12] tuhoojabotti: v8: "lol".span()
[14:12] v8bot: tuhoojabotti: TypeError: Object lol has no method 'span'
[14:12] tuhoojabotti: :/
[14:12] shinuza: v8: "lol".strong()
[14:12] v8bot: shinuza: TypeError: Object lol has no method 'strong'
[14:12] shinuza: meh
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[14:13] shinuza: v8: "lol".bold()
[14:13] v8bot: shinuza: "<b>lol</b>"
[14:13] shinuza: that's just doesn't feel right
[14:14] chjj: its the best templating engine around imo
[14:14] bingomanatee: vpereira, the core JS is based on google's v8 engine which is very stable
[14:14] Bwen: v8: "bob".bold().blink()
[14:14] v8bot: Bwen: "<blink><b>bob</b></blink>"
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[14:14] bingomanatee: The modules which interpret requests and send responses work quite well
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[14:15] bingomanatee: I think when people talk about instability in node, they mean that  Ryan & co reserve the right to change apis into their modules
[14:15] bingomanatee: but in my experience most of the core modules have been through several iterations already
[14:15] bingomanatee: and what few changes they are likely to make will be very well documented. 
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[14:16] bingomanatee: and you will have the opportunity to freeze the version of node for a particular project and get in front of said changes very managebly. 
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[14:17] bingomanatee: express.js, which (in a VERY sloppy way) could be said to be the Rails of node, changes a little more aggressively and on its own sechedule
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[14:17] bingomanatee: however again: proper use of NPM will freeze you to to the version of express that you want fo a given project. 
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[14:18] sjbreen`: is there a guide that you know off hand that show's "the proper use of NPM" or would someone just search around the wiki
[14:18] sjbreen`: ?
[14:18] bingomanatee: In short the reason node is unstable in most cases is not that it is bug infested but rather that it is under rapid development and evolution
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[14:19] bingomanatee: The core documentation describes using NPM to embed and version freeze liraries into the node_modules folder. 
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[14:19] bingomanatee: http://blog.nodejs.org/2011/03/23/npm-1-0-global-vs-local-installation/ covers things nicely
[14:20] sjbreen`: thank you
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[14:20] dtan: member:bingomanatee - installing express via npm, you can still update your express version
[14:20] dtan: meh, drag and drop
[14:21] dtan: tj explained to me yesterday you'd have to update your package.json file of express to the newer version
[14:21] dtan: and then do a npm install , i think
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[14:21] bingomanatee: dtan
[14:22] dtan: yes?
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[14:22] bingomanatee: dtan, yes - but you aren't FORCED to use a more current version of express than the one you start with by the local version of express that someone (else?) set up on a given deployment server.
[14:23] bingomanatee: Your desired version of express (or anything else) is carried with your git repo'd code base wherever it deploys. 
[14:23] dtan: ooh, i must have missed the previous part of the convo
[14:23] bingomanatee: It was the usual "Is node stable" blather. 
[14:23] dtan: right, you guys were discussing local v global express installs then i take it?
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[14:24] bingomanatee: my point being, node is not unstable - it is evolving - but you don't have to evolve at its pace if it isn't useful in the context of a specific project :D
[14:24] dtan: right
[14:25] dtan: just to get it straight, you can also have local installs of node per project if you wished, is that correct or am i mistaken?
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[14:30] bingomanatee: dt
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[14:31] bingomanatee: DTrejoAFKarchive, that is not EXACTLY true. Node is a binary so you can launch a project from a specific build of node, and you can store node in multiple folders
[14:32] bingomanatee: or use nvm (Node VERSION manager, as distinct from npm, node PACKAGE MANAGER) to switch to a "default" version of node. 
[14:33] bingomanatee: As wiith ruby, you have to be careful if you rely on globally installed modules AND use nvm; you may have to reinstall global modules after you switch versions of node in nvm. 
[14:33] bingomanatee: (which is why I would not in general rely on globally installed modules for any project :D) ) 
[14:34] vpereira: nvm, that's nice.. i was thinking about it yesterday :-)
[14:34] vpereira: nice that it's already there
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[14:36] bingomanatee: The Node people have tried to take the parts of Ruby/RoR that work /they like into node
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[14:37] vpereira: and how do I install node.js pre ?
[14:38] vpereira: i'm looking here in the git repository, the master branch is the edge?
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[14:40] bradley: vpereira yes
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[14:53] aklt: bnoordhuis: Hi!
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[14:54] aklt: bnoordhuis: I had a look at some of the code you were doing for node-iconvm on the streams branch... Is it usable yet?
[14:56] devuo: Hello! I'm new to node.js, and I've been looking for the documentation on the core modules, but I've been unable to find it. Can anyone point me to the right direction (wiki, source, docs, wtv)? thanks!
[14:56] Skola: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.8/api/
[14:56] Skola: docs
[14:56] CoverSlide: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.8/api/
[14:56] Skola: : D
[14:56] CoverSlide: Skola: F U
[14:56] CoverSlide: :D
[14:56] Skola: winwinwin
[14:56] tuhoojabotti: I was too slow. :/
[14:56] tuhoojabotti: BUT home ->
[14:57] devuo: thanks :)
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[15:05] mikl: how do you prevent Node from exiting until your callback is called?
[15:05] slaskis: mikl: i don't think it's supposed to
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[15:06] slaskis: exit before it's all 'done'
[15:06] meat_popsicle: if your callback is installed properly, it will not exit
[15:06] meat_popsicle: and by installed, i mean set on a timer
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[15:07] meat_popsicle: or setup in a html server or something
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[15:07] mikl: slaskis: it seems do so - http://dpaste.de/ddnk/ - it prints both 'hest' and 'pony' before exiting, but not 'Connecting to database...' 
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[15:08] mikl: meat_popsicle: how do you mark it as something important like that? :)
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[15:09] meat_popsicle: i've not used drupal personally, miki, but i'd assume that there is something in your setup wrong perhaps
[15:09] meat_popsicle: or a bug in drupal
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[15:10] mikl: meat_popsicle: well, the drupal module is written by me, I wondering how to prevent Node.js from ignoring its callback :)
[15:10] meat_popsicle: it's more up to the module you're using to not to quit
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[15:10] meat_popsicle: oh, that i dont know
[15:10] meat_popsicle: sorry
[15:10] mikl: meat_popsicle: this code works fine when database connection is fast
[15:10] mikl: meat_popsicle: but not if it takes a while :)
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[15:11] wao:  /wii Skola 
[15:11] Skola: whats this
[15:11] wao: 
ACTION -_-

[15:11] Skola: :[]
[15:11] meat_popsicle: mikl: i coudl believe that, but without seeing the internals of your drupal stuff there's no way to know what you're doing right or wrong
[15:11] Skola: alias for botnet DDOS fireworks?! :[]
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[15:12] mikl: meat_popsicle: the Drupal module is on Github: https://github.com/mikl/node-drupal/blob/master/lib/db.js :)
[15:12] wao: Skola: just extended whois. I just wondering where are you from.
[15:12] slaskis: mikl: maybe it times out then?
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[15:12] Skola: The Netherlands
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[15:13] mikl: slaskis: well, Nodejs exits immediately
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[15:13] mikl: slaskis: no it's not waiting for a timeout
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[15:14] slaskis: mikl: i've never used the mysql module myself but at a glance i can't see anything strange, sorry
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[15:19] Tobsn: jquery bbq just killed chrome here
[15:19] Skola: Tobsn sorry for not responding earlier
[15:20] Skola: still having trouble with bbq?
[15:20] Tobsn: dont worry
[15:20] Tobsn: i go ir somehow working
[15:20] Skola: : D
[15:20] Tobsn: http://dev.explore.cm/
[15:20] Tobsn: see
[15:20] Tobsn: its pretty neat
[15:20] Skola: it is
[15:21] Skola: from where do you pull in results?
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[15:21] Tobsn: bing
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[15:21] Skola: alright, could have known
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[15:24] jetienne: Tobsn: this is taking data from bin g ?
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[15:24] Tobsn: yep
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[15:25] jetienne: Tobsn: they got an open api ?
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[15:25] Tobsn: sorta
[15:25] Tobsn: open at first
[15:25] antlong: hey guys. I wanted to chat with people about to feasibility/usages for node in relation to Quality Assurance. I made a room #node.qa if anyone is interested in chatting about this.
[15:25] Tobsn: we have direct contact with microsoft so we have a higher limit
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[15:25] Tobsn: a limit that makes actually sense
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[15:26] jetienne: Tobsn: ok cool, i have to try
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[15:41] Tobsn: wow, microsofts CDN is going up and down
[15:41] Tobsn: god damnit... MS cant even keep a CDN stable
[15:41] Sembiance: heh
[15:41] Tobsn: with fuckin static files
[15:41] Tobsn: wtf.
[15:41] tuhoojabotti: wtsf
[15:41] Sembiance: what are you pulling from a MS CDN?
[15:41] Tobsn: erm the ususal
[15:41] Tobsn: http://ajax.microsoft.com/ajax/jquery.templates/beta1/jquery.tmpl.min.js
[15:41] bradley: jquery prolly since asp tries to
[15:42] Tobsn: jquery comes from google
[15:42] Tobsn: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1656816/Screenshots/i0m7.png
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[15:43] Tobsn: MICROSOFT - Y U SO FUCKIN TARDED!
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[15:43] context-: ok. so.
[15:43] Tobsn: Sembiance, http://www.asp.net/ajaxlibrary/cdn.ashx
[15:44] Tobsn: but it takes a while to load
[15:44] Tobsn: ...
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[15:45] slaskis: Tobsn: maybe add it to this one? http://www.cdnjs.com/#/page/addlibrary
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[15:46] Tobsn: Everyone loves the Google CDN right? Even Microsoft runs their own CDN.
[15:46] Sembiance: Tobsn: jquery is hosted on several CDN's for free, like Google and Yahoo. What made you decide to use microsoft's?
[15:46] Tobsn: its pretty well known MS has its own cdn
[15:46] Tobsn: Sembiance, again jquery comes from google
[15:46] Tobsn: jquery template from microsoft
[15:46] Tobsn: because nobody else is CDN hosting jquery template
[15:46] Tobsn: ;)
[15:47] Sembiance: ahh
[15:47] pickels: There is a non profit cdn maybe they have it too?
[15:47] pickels: forgot the name though
[15:47] Sembiance: I find I get better performance if I combine all JS, both jquery and my app JS into one big file and pre-minify that.
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[15:47] Sembiance: this way there is only a single network request made for JS
[15:48] Tobsn: hehe really
[15:48] Tobsn: ;)
[15:48] Tobsn: im not even done with that site ;)
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[15:48] Tobsn: the half way compiled source is on explore.cm
[15:48] Sembiance: Tobsn: I'm in a never-ending quest to get my html5 web game to load faster :)
[15:48] Sembiance: node.js powered of course ;)
[15:48] pickels: But not cached by many people unlike well known cdns.
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[15:48] Tobsn: erm, the microsoft cdn is actually used pretty broad
[15:49] pickels: Yep, I know.
[15:49] Tobsn: so why not
[15:49] pickels: They also host the jquery validation plugin.
[15:49] necromancer: it's a little slower than google's
[15:49] Tobsn: btw.
[15:49] Tobsn: i show you guys another trick with google
[15:49] necromancer: i'm always afraid to use CDNs in production
[15:49] necromancer: because if they go down it's not my fault, but my client thinks it is..
[15:49] necromancer: but i can't fix it
[15:49] necromancer: because the CDN is down
[15:49] necromancer: FUCK that.
[15:50] Tobsn: version 1.6.1: http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.6.1/jquery.min.js
[15:50] pickels: You can integrate your own fallback.
[15:50] Tobsn: latest 1.6: http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.6/jquery.min.js
[15:50] Tobsn: latest 1.*: http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1/jquery.min.js
[15:50] Tobsn: ;)
[15:50] necromancer: pickels: how can i do that without using an external library to load in all my JS?
[15:50] Tobsn: so you could do 1.3 than you get the latest 1.3.*
[15:50] Tobsn: stable
[15:50] necromancer: like just use <script> tags on the page, for instance
[15:51] pickels: Not sure necromancer I know html 5 boilerplate has some snippet for it
[15:51] Tobsn: necromancer, i google closure everything in a shell script
[15:51] tjholowaychuk: anyone remember how to prevent npm from compiling on publish?
[15:51] tjholowaychuk: it's very broken
[15:51] Tobsn: http://closure-compiler.appspot.com/home
[15:51] Tobsn: see the dropdown? you can add your own urls with @code_url
[15:52] Tobsn: it will than download everything and compile it together
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[15:52] unomi: could it be time for a node-social mailing list?
[15:52] bnoordhuis: aklt: not usable yet but getting there
[15:52] pickels: Tobsn there is a difference in caching if you don't specify the full version btw.
[15:52] pickels: Although that's what I read a while back.
[15:52] Tobsn: oh of course
[15:52] Tobsn: caching goes by url
[15:53] Tobsn: and not many use /1/
[15:53] necromancer: unomi: that's what #node.js is, isn't it? :)
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[15:53] unomi: necromancer: I just feel like there is a fair bit 'noise' on the node.js google group mailing list
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[15:54] unomi: I think its awesome that they are getting together in Argentina etc.. not really sure I care too deeply about their personal opinions on which parts of the city are more appropriate than others
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[15:55] unomi: Sorry for singling out those guys, in general it seems like there is more noise than might be ideal
[15:56] dtan: can someone tell me why my "partial" in express is not pulling in the partial file? http://pastie.org/2106919
[15:57] dtan: well, i actually i understand why it's giving me the html output as it is
[15:57] dtan: but i don't know why it's not pulling in my jade partial file
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[15:58] tjholowaychuk: dtan partial is a js function
[15:58] tjholowaychuk: so you need to do != partial('name')
[15:58] tjholowaychuk: to buffer it, unescaped
[15:58] dtan: ah
[15:58] dtan: just put != at the beginning of that line?
[15:58] aklt: bnoordhuis: Cool!  I'm off now, but I'll have a closer look tomorrow
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[15:58] tjholowaychuk: = foo  will buffer the value of the js var "foo"
[15:58] tjholowaychuk: but it escapes html
[15:58] tjholowaychuk: != doesn't
[15:59] dtan: ooh so i need to do something like div!= partial....
[15:59] tjholowaychuk: yup
[15:59] dtan: hmmm getting this error: 500 SyntaxError: Jade:14 12| - } 13| - } > 14| div!= partial('./partials/fields.jade') 15| Unexpected identifier
[15:59] tjholowaychuk: and - is js code that does not buffer at all
[16:00] dtan: tj - not sure what you mean when you say "buffer'" 
[16:01] tjholowaychuk: dtan output
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[16:01] dtan: ok easy enough to understand
[16:01] CoverSlide: tjholowaychuk: any way of making a block of js code without repetitive `-`'s?
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[16:01] tjholowaychuk: CoverSlide not currently
[16:01] tjholowaychuk: though thats a good indication you need to use more helpers
[16:01] CoverSlide: in the works?
[16:01] tjholowaychuk: to have less js
[16:02] tjholowaychuk: we do it in some of our templates too but we shouldnt
[16:02] CoverSlide: yeah i do most of my logic pre-rendering
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[16:02] CoverSlide: but just curious
[16:03] pyrotechnick: tjholowaychuk: luna looks badass
[16:03] tjholowaychuk: thanks man
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[16:03] tjholowaychuk: haven't had much time to work on it lately but it's fun
[16:03] pyrotechnick: yeah man just looking at it seems like alot of fun and im really not that kind of excitable coder
[16:03] tjholowaychuk: tempted to go with a different concurrency model, passing around errors is a huge PITA
[16:04] pyrotechnick: is that reactor?
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[16:04] tjholowaychuk: nothing is actually implement yet but that was the plan yup
[16:04] pyrotechnick: so would like haskell and stuff be non-reactor?
[16:05] tjholowaychuk: i like the event loop, but sometimes it's just a piss off haha
[16:05] pickels: Anybody got maybe a good blog post or info on how to write testable code with lots of callbacks? Could use some tips and techniques on that topic.
[16:05] pyrotechnick: yeah i get that feeling too
[16:05] tjholowaychuk: trying to build something reliable with errors coming from 25 different places is not fun
[16:05] pyrotechnick: i think sometimes it's just too much of a trade-off
[16:06] tjholowaychuk: might go with actors but I need to see what fits the language better once it's more complete
[16:06] pyrotechnick: thats basically where i'm headed with the game
[16:07] pyrotechnick: the actors
[16:07] swilson06: is there a good reason they use const instead of var here when new'ing up the modules? http://www.silassewell.com/blog/2010/06/03/node-js-https-ssl-server-example/
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[16:08] bnoordhuis: swilson06: prevents accidental reassigning of the module object
[16:08] pyrotechnick: well assuming node actually enforces const
[16:08] pyrotechnick: then yeah
[16:08] pyrotechnick: ^^
[16:08] pyrotechnick: i think const is generally discouraged though, dont get used to writing it
[16:08] CoverSlide: does it?
[16:08] pyrotechnick: and if you're thinking about using your code in the browser i'd avoid it
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[16:09] bnoordhuis: i don't think const actually works in v8
[16:09] bnoordhuis: v8: const x = 42; x = 1337;
[16:09] v8bot: bnoordhuis: 1337
[16:09] pyrotechnick: coffee> const foo = 'bar'
[16:09] pyrotechnick: SyntaxError: In repl, Reserved word "const" on line 1
[16:09] pyrotechnick:     at SyntaxError (unknown source)
[16:09] pyrotechnick:     at Lexer.identifierError (/usr/local/lib/node_modules/coffee-script/lib/lexer.js:454:13)
[16:09] pyrotechnick:     at Lexer.identifierToken (/usr/local/lib/node_modules/coffee-script/lib/lexer.js:80:16)
[16:09] pyrotechnick:     at Lexer.tokenize (/usr/local/lib/node_modules/coffee-script/lib/lexer.js:31:19)
[16:09] bnoordhuis: v8: const x = 42; x = 1337; x
[16:09] v8bot: bnoordhuis: 42
[16:09] pyrotechnick:     at /usr/local/lib/node_modules/coffee-script/lib/coffee-script.js:29:34
[16:09] pyrotechnick:     at Object.eval (/usr/local/lib/node_modules/coffee-script/lib/coffee-script.js:88:10)
[16:09] pyrotechnick:     at Interface.<anonymous> (/usr/local/lib/node_modules/coffee-script/lib/repl.js:39:28)
[16:09] pyrotechnick:     at Interface.emit (events.js:64:17)
[16:09] pyrotechnick:     at Interface._onLine (readline.js:153:10)
[16:09] pyrotechnick:     at Interface._line (readline.js:408:8)
[16:09] pyrotechnick: fuck sorry
[16:09] pyrotechnick: coffeescript doesnt even let you use it
[16:09] CoverSlide: until v8 supports blocks and let ...
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[16:10] pyrotechnick: but yeah i'd avoid const
[16:10] swilson06: so, is there a security reason for it or just to prevent me from doing something stupid?
[16:10] bnoordhuis: swilson06: the latter
[16:10] pyrotechnick: if you've got variables being overwritten
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[16:10] pyrotechnick: then you have much much larger security issues
[16:11] swilson06: right :)
[16:11] pyrotechnick: in the right circumstance i think const could perhaps be used to enhance the security of maybe a sandbox or something
[16:11] pyrotechnick: but as far as using it blindly just for the peace of mine it's probably not worth the effor
[16:11] pyrotechnick: effort*
[16:12] pyrotechnick: man my spelling is terrible tonight
[16:12] swilson06: ok, yeah, i just thought it was odd, so i'd ask.
[16:12] CoverSlide: v8: const a = 10;a=50;a
[16:12] v8bot: CoverSlide: 10
[16:13] CoverSlide: v8: "use strict";const a = 10;a=50;a
[16:13] v8bot: CoverSlide: SyntaxError: Use of const in strict mode.
[16:13] CoverSlide: oic
[16:13] swilson06: ah, so it won't be used in the future...?
[16:13] bnoordhuis: swilson06: it's not part of ecmascript proper, it's a mozilla extension
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[16:14] CoverSlide: mozilla added lotsa weird crap to their implementation
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[16:14] CoverSlide: it would be nice if v8 removed some of the cruft
[16:14] swilson06: yeah, so i don't think i'll use it.
[16:14] BigWookie: Hey, got a question, i use node-irc and it seems there is improper handling of escape sequences
[16:14] swilson06: 
ACTION forgets about const

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[16:15] BigWookie: particular everything crashes from it ^^
[16:15] CoverSlide: really?
[16:16] CoverSlide: what error are you getting?
[16:16] bnoordhuis: CoverSlide: one could argue that mozilla's implementation is what all other impls are derived from
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[16:16] CoverSlide: true
[16:16] CoverSlide: but there is some legacy crap still in there
[16:17] BigWookie: I can't properly debug it xD, there is no error just everything stops working
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[16:17] CoverSlide: like HTML helpers
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[16:20] butu5: BigWookie: thanks for letting me know abt node-irc.. I am browsing..thinking to use it :)
[16:21] CoverSlide: node-irc seems to be the standard
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[16:21] BigWookie: butu5: its really nice!
[16:21] BigWookie: I use it for a xmpp2irc bridge and it's doing fine
[16:21] CoverSlide: the other one .. whatever it's called, i didn't like at all
[16:21] BigWookie: but when sbd. sends a message with escape sequences it crashes
[16:22] butu5: today I tried to find a free client in iphone... not able to find out.. I thinking using this client can able to do something with it
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[16:23] butu5: sorry for broken english.
[16:23] BigWookie: butu5: you mean write our own irc client?
[16:24] butu5: yeah.. using this node-irc library.. 
[16:24] BigWookie: you know mibbit?
[16:24] butu5: yes
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[16:24] butu5: but don't like much
[16:24] butu5: I use irssi (command line)
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[16:24] BigWookie: except from that, I started to write a client with extjs+node-irc+nowjs
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[16:24] BigWookie: I use irssi too ;)
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[16:25] mxp: nodejs vs nginx for comet which one is better?
[16:26] Aria: You still have to supply code to actually do "comet" or other long-poll techniques with nginx.
[16:26] Aria: node's a little closer to ready to go.
[16:26] CoverSlide: comet's pretty broad a term
[16:28] butu5: BigWookie: ur IRCNode working?
[16:28] Aria: Yeah. There's several more specific techniques. Long-polling, BOSH, WebSockets..
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[16:29] CoverSlide: and the fact that nginx doesn't implement any of them ootb
[16:29] CoverSlide: it really depends on what you got going on doing the logic
[16:30] Aria: Yeah. They're not quite equivalent at all.
[16:30] BigWookie: butu5: partly, but I wrote much code for I2X and I would concider porting it to sencha touch ( mobile interfaces ) if there would be interrest
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[16:30] BigWookie: I2X is a jabber and irc bot that works as a bridge between the two
[16:31] mxp: I am looking for speed on a 2GB physical memory machine (Quad core) will nodejs help
[16:31] mxp: ?
[16:31] BigWookie: (because many mobile jabber implementations lack MUC ) 
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[16:31] seawise: guys, why we are chatting in IRC chat, but not Node.js backed chat? anybody have an answer?
[16:31] mxp: Aria, em focusing on BOSH
[16:31] BigWookie: seawise: yeah because its a standard
[16:31] Aria: seawise: Network effect.
[16:32] seawise: but it's outdated you don't think so?
[16:32] Aria: There's a node-based chat up. It's .. okay. But I much prefer my choice of tools to access the chat, rather than the web interface it presents.
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[16:32] CoverSlide: it is really just a demo
[16:32] seawise: also we may to promote Node.js with somewhat of NodeHub
[16:32] seawise: also
[16:32] Aria: It sends adequately sized chunks of text to people. Do you need more in a chat protocol?
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[16:33] seawise: I'm caching this chat and find it a great source of knowledge
[16:33] CoverSlide: it isn't supposed to be for actual conversations
[16:33] seawise: but it's unindexed
[16:33] BigWookie: irc is not outdated as long as there is nothing that fits better
[16:33] CoverSlide: and doesn't have 1/1000th the features of IRC
[16:33] seawise: no one can search our talks by Google/Yahoo
[16:33] mxp: Aira I will be wrapping a XMPP server with NodeJS
[16:33] seawise: in our company we use Flowdock as group chat
[16:34] seawise: it have tags, search
[16:34] mxp: this will allow me to have auth in NodeJS and use async to feed data
[16:34] mxp: to browser
[16:34] seawise: it will be very useful to have real-time Node wiki as chat
[16:34] seawise: searchable and indexable?
[16:34] seawise: isn't it?
[16:34] Aria: Spiffy, mxp. I'm working on vaguely similar projects.
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[16:35] butu5: BigWookie: r u planning to enhance it in future?
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[16:37] BigWookie: butu5: As I said, I would concider it if there is interrest
[16:38] butu5: BigWookie: how come u know whether there is interest or not? that's the difficult part rt :)
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[16:39] BigWookie: butu5: when you would use it and tell me about bugs I think it would be enougth for me to work on it ;)
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[16:41] butu5: That sounds really good.. will give it a try!
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[16:41] BigWookie: :) you can watch the project on github (if you have an account) i'll work on it as soon as I'm ready with i2x
[16:42] butu5: sure I will..
[16:42] BigWookie: :)
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[16:43] butu5: u need any kind of coding help for ur project
[16:43] butu5: I hv some free time.. not bz with anything
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[16:43] butu5: for opensource project like i2x
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[16:46] gxblast: What is the current consensus on how to log to files in node projects? 
[16:47] tjholowaychuk: there are lots of log modules
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[16:48] CoverSlide: or fs.createWriteStream(path,{flags:'a'})
[16:48] CoverSlide: really depends on what you want for logging
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[16:48] CoverSlide: fs is the simplest way
[16:49] antlong: If anyone is interested I made #node.qa - Using node for Quality Assurance
[16:49] CoverSlide: using node for qa?
[16:49] CoverSlide: explain
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[16:50] antlong: using the facilities available through node for quality assurance. functional server-side and web based testing, etc
[16:51] CoverSlide: icic
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[16:55] BigWookie: but all that dosn't resolve my problem with the invalid chars
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[17:08] zmbmartin: tjholowaychuk: thanks for all the great work you do! asset is a pretty nifty little piece.
[17:09] tjholowaychuk: thankya
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[17:13] BigWookie: okay solved it, was my own fault ( used escape() to make the strings from irc portable )
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[17:19] sh1mmer: hij1nx: hey have you seen charlie
[17:19] sh1mmer: we are suposed to be doing this webinar
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[17:20] antlong: is there a list of protocols that node supports, online somewhere
[17:20] CoverSlide: tcp
[17:20] CoverSlide: udp
[17:21] bazookatooth: https://github.com/blog/878-announcing-github-for-mac
[17:21] jetienne: antlong: not really, which kind of protocol are you thinking about
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[17:22] seawise: ATTN: Node.js and MongoDB webinar starting in 8 minutes http://t.co/bRKvCO3
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[17:26] tmpvar: sh1mmer, do you need his number?
[17:27] sh1mmer: tmpvar: yep we are all set
[17:27] dall: guys is it possible to do an audio streaming application using node?
[17:27] tmpvar: sh1mmer, awesome
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[17:29] BigWookie: anyone knows an alternative to encode?
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[17:30] BigWookie: oh regexp
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[17:30] seawise: ATTN: Node.js and MongoDB webinar starting in 1 minute http://t.co/bRKvCO3
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[17:35] dtan: is anyone in the webinar?
[17:35] dtan: i'm not seeing any video in my webex
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[17:38] mikey_p: dtan: there is no video, it's audio only
[17:38] dtan: k
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[17:40] Murvin: hi
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[17:51] zmbmartin: tjholowaychuk: I am trying to use nib but am missing something --> https://gist.github.com/1040663
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[17:51] Murvin: is there a package to encrypt the node.js source code and run the encrypted code? 
[17:51] zmbmartin: I want to include reset but it is not importing?
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[17:51] chjj: zmbmartin, try saying "express" ;)
[17:51] tjholowaychuk: zmbmartin reset is included by default
[17:52] Aria: Murvin: I've not seen one, though ultimately it's a bit futile to encrypt something, then hand the key to them and say "don't unlock this"
[17:52] tjholowaychuk: but it has many functions
[17:52] eggsby: does anyone in here have experience using node.io ?
[17:52] tjholowaychuk: global-reset() etc
[17:52] tjholowaychuk: reset-{font,body,table,table-cell,...}() so you have to invoke one of those
[17:52] tjholowaychuk: but just @import 'nib' will do
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[17:53] seawise: ATTN: Node.js and MongoDB webinar is happening just now http://t.co/bRKvCO3
[17:53] zmbmartin: tjholowaychuk: cool thanks
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[18:01] tyler-iphone: anyone know how i cast a TCHAR to Local<String> in nodejs extension?
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[18:04] systemfault: tyler-iphone: You're developing a node extension on Windows? 
[18:04] tyler-iphone: systemfault: no
[18:05] jerrysv: tyler-iphone: String::New((const char *)string, len)  ?
[18:05] Aria: What's a TCHAR? Just a byte string?
[18:05] systemfault: TCHAR is windows-ish :(
[18:05] tyler-iphone: im not sure, i suck at c++ but this lib im wrapping uses them internally
[18:05] systemfault: (I was just guessing)
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[18:05] Aria: Yeah, I only find reference in the Windows stuff.
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[18:06] systemfault: tyler-iphone: Then, if it's like windows: TCHAR is either char or wchar_t depending if the UNICODE macro is set.
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[18:06] jerrysv: tyler-iphone: from what i can tell, it's either a wchar_t or a char, depending, so you *should* be able to cast to a const char *
[18:06] tyler-iphone: jerrysv: systemfault: thanks!
[18:06] Aria: If it's a char then
[18:06] jerrysv: aria: probably some library ported ?
[18:07] Aria: YEah, likely.
[18:07] junkee[]: anyone interested in gstreamer in node? I've started but got stuck and search for help :(
[18:07] Aria: I'd love to poke it.
[18:07] tyler-iphone: awesome that worked
[18:07] tyler-iphone: thanks again
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[18:07] jerrysv: np
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[18:08] Aria: Though I wonder if Seed would be more natural, or gjs.
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[18:14] swilson06: what database do you guys generally use with node? i ask because i use mysql but most of the text i've seen use nosql engines and i'm curious if i should consider this instead of mysql?
[18:14] Aria: It depends on the sort of data you're storing.
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[18:15] Aria: relational databases are good at stuff where you're asking relatively complex, relational questions.
[18:15] Aria: They're terrible as load-store systems.
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[18:16] swilson06: yeah, but it seemed like the mysql modules aren't as mature either?
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[18:17] swilson06: should i be concerned with that, or just go with one and not worry about it?
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[18:17] Aria: Just go with it.
[18:17] swilson06: i'm storing user data and pdf with some meta data btw
[18:17] CoverSlide: go with one, try it out
[18:17] Aria: I'd probably go NoSQL for that.
[18:17] Aria: Or even the filesystem.
[18:18] swilson06: not complex queries but maybe complex fields...
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[18:18] Aria: Complex fields? Mongo rocks at that -- since the store is a big object.
[18:18] Aria: If you want to, say, generate a table comparing two groups of stuff, SQL's your answer. It's GREAT at that.
[18:18] swilson06: ok, thanks
[18:19] Aria: If you want to load a pile of userdata for display, Mongo's gonna rock.
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[18:19] Aria: "Give me user X's stuff" "Okay, here you go"
[18:19] MooGoo: are there any NoSQL's that are any good at full text search?
[18:19] pickels: What would you use for nested trees Aria?
[18:19] Aria: pickels: Depends on how you want to traverse that tree. An object stored in mongo is a nested tree itself, so...
[18:19] swilson06: Aria: thanks, i guess i'll have to read up on nosql :)
[18:20] Aria: Hehe. Just remember that each NoSQL has its own purpose. It's not SQL or Not, it's "what's the best database for this kind of data"
[18:20] Aria: I also love Redis -- but it's another beast entirely.
[18:20] jerrysv: swilson06: postgres, couchdb, and redis
[18:20] jerrysv: are what i've used with node
[18:20] pickels: swilson06, Mongoose was easy for me to get started with MongoDB
[18:21] pickels: The docs pretty okay also.
[18:21] pickels: are*
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[18:22] MooGoo: so...
[18:22] MooGoo: are there any NoSQL's that are any good at full text search?
[18:22] swilson06: if it's a simple data store like i've heard (an array or a hash) i should be able to get it. otherwise  :(
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[18:22] jerrysv: moogoo: depends? couchdb maybe depending on how you create your views?
[18:22] Aria: I'm not sure MooGoo. I've not looked.
[18:23] CoverSlide: probably nothing ootb
[18:23] Aria: Sphinx could be called "a nosql database" ;-)
[18:23] jerrysv: moogoo: http://legitimatesounding.com/blog/NoSQL_meet_SQL.html
[18:23] jerrysv: :)
[18:23] Aria: swilson06: mongo's much more than just "an array or hash" -- it's got some very reasonable query facilities.
[18:23] MooGoo: say I have a large table full of IRC log data
[18:23] Aria: And you can mapreduce to cache fancier stuff.
[18:24] swilson06: yeah, i've heard that sphinx is pretty much *it* for full text (but i couldn't remember it before Aria said the name)
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[18:25] swilson06: well, thanks y'all, guess i should go read now :)
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[18:26] quackquack: When using the Node.js `tty` module, why does the child process returned always have a null stdout and stdin?
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[18:28] quackquack: returned by tty.open, i mean
[18:29] Murvin: is webnair still on?
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[18:31] jbroman: Murvin: node/mongo webinar just wrapped up
[18:31] Murvin: :(
[18:31] Murvin: damn...
[18:31] Murvin: I just miss it.
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[18:31] tyler-iphone: anyone know why i get this for my symbols? https://gist.github.com/40fce84c3a5bea073744
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[18:34] Plouj: hi
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[18:35] Plouj: regarding this: https://github.com/indexzero/daemon.node do I have to put all of my daemon code inside the daemonize() function or do I just need to call it at the end of my code?
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[18:37] framlin: MooGoo: http://wiki.apache.org/couchdb/Full_text_search
[18:38] MooGoo: hmm cool
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[18:38] MooGoo: I've really wanted to use a NoSql but so far I haven't found a good use for it
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[18:39] bradley: Marak im going through haibu issues, are you still working on the web interface?
[18:39] framlin: if you only have equal structured relationonal data, you have no need for noSQL ;)
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[18:40] MooGoo: I was thinking for the irc log bot
[18:40] MooGoo: but the irc log is pretty orderly
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[18:40] CoverSlide: what do you have to log?
[18:40] MooGoo: ?
[18:40] CoverSlide: like what fields
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[18:41] CoverSlide: names and messages, and thats it
[18:41] CoverSlide: ?
[18:41] junkee[]: Any v8 pro here?
[18:41] MooGoo: hmm
[18:42] framlin: one point about cochdb is its distributed replication model
[18:42] MooGoo: timestamp, command type, nick, host, chan, server, text
[18:42] MooGoo: something like that
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[18:43] framlin: its designet not to have one DB that stores 1000 users and their relations, but 1000 Users having each one DB, sharing it with each other ....
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[18:43] framlin: sharing/replicating
[18:44] MooGoo: so having a great number of collections is somehow more suitble than having a lot of tables
[18:45] MooGoo: like one collection per chan
[18:45] framlin: if you want to have 1000 people with smartphones that build a "social-mibile-web", that couchdb may be yours
[18:45] MooGoo: instead of all log data in a single table
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[18:45] framlin: storing structured tables seems not to be the power of noSQL ...
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[18:48] bnoordhuis: junkee[]: you rang?
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[18:49] junkee[]: bnoordhuis: I did! :)
[18:49] hkjels: Just copied a grep tested on the cli, that for some reason won't work using spawn. Any ideas?
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[18:51] bnoordhuis: junkee[]: what's your question?
[18:51] CoverSlide: hkjels: are you trying to do ouput redirection from the spawn() command?
[18:51] junkee[]: bnoordhuis: When I've stored a C++ object in a v8 object and I do not want that the c++ object gets lost when the v8 is gc'ed, how do I do that?
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[18:51] framlin: couchdb is available for android, too ... it has the concept of couchapp, that are webablications stored within the db itself and implemented with HTML/CSS/JS where JS is the "query-language", combined with node there could be a lot of possibilities for JS-coders ...
[18:51] bnoordhuis: junkee[]: make it persistent: Persistent<Object>::New(your_object)
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[18:52] junkee[]: bnoordhuis: And when calling it from JS?
[18:52] CoverSlide: because | and > and >> are operators for the shell, not for the OS as a whole
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[18:52] bnoordhuis: junkee[]: just keep a reference to the object in JS land
[18:52] otaku_coder: hi. What's the best way to test an expressjs app?
[18:52] bnoordhuis: junkee[]: if you're done with the persistent object, call .Dispose() on it
[18:53] CoverSlide: hkjels: you'd have to either do the output redirection manually, like process1.stdout.pipe(grepProcess.stdin.pipe)
[18:53] hkjels: CoverSlide: Nope. I'm using stdout.on and write out to stdout
[18:53] CoverSlide: err process1.stdout.pipe(grepProcess.stdin)
[18:53] hkjels: it worked with a simpler query
[18:53] CoverSlide: oic
[18:53] junkee[]: bnoordhuis: Only possibility in JS land to keep a reference to it? No hacks?
[18:53] bnoordhuis: junkee[]: yes
[18:53] CoverSlide: maybe the query is not escaped correctly
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[18:54] junkee[]: bnoordhuis: well, thanks :)
[18:54] bnoordhuis: junkee[]: btw, node::ObjectWrap takes care of plumbing for you in C++ land
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[18:54] framlin: MooGoo: another usecase is recording of SQL-querys and answers for testing purposes, eg to play them back or to create DB-mocks
[18:55] hkjels: CoverSlide: grep = spawn('grep', ['-RI', 'TODO :[0-9-]\{10\}', path]);
[18:56] CoverSlide: maybe double-backslash the curly braces?
[18:56] framlin: I use this for testing a system of Cobol-"Services" that I talk to via AJAX/JSON -PHP- COBOL -PHP - JSON
[18:56] CoverSlide: v8: "\{"
[18:56] v8bot: CoverSlide: "{"
[18:56] CoverSlide: v8: "\\{"
[18:56] v8bot: CoverSlide: "\{"
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[18:56] hkjels: Ahh, your right
[18:56] hkjels: thank you
[18:58] framlin: MooGoo: because this service-calls have diffrent call/response-parameter-structures a not-structured-storage is very usefull for that
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[18:59] MooGoo: hrm
[18:59] MooGoo: are there any embeded nosql programs like sqlite
[18:59] kkaefer: sqlite isn't nosql
[18:59] framlin: ;)
[18:59] MooGoo: yes....I know....
[19:00] framlin: what do you mean?
[19:00] Aria: there's this thing called "the filesystem" that works really nicely that way.
[19:00] MooGoo: sqlite isnt client/server
[19:00] BigWookie: xD
[19:00] Aria: Also, bdb
[19:00] BigWookie: I like ueberDB
[19:00] BigWookie: (if sqlite is the topic)
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[19:00] MooGoo: never heard
[19:01] framlin: no, cochdb is a http-server
[19:01] kkaefer: MooGoo: both sql and nosql are client/server
[19:01] MooGoo: sqlite isnt
[19:01] BigWookie: xDDD
[19:01] MooGoo: it's just a file
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[19:01] framlin: couchDB is a REST-system
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[19:02] MooGoo: this is what makes sqlite great
[19:02] framlin: RESTfull http ...
[19:02] eventualbuddha: MooGoo: serialize objects to JSON and stick it in a file?
[19:02] MooGoo: couchDB seems more apt for web apps
[19:02] MooGoo: wat...why would I want to do that?
[19:02] framlin: yep
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[19:02] kkaefer: MooGoo: are you asking whether there are sqlite libraries for node.js?
[19:02] MooGoo: no
[19:02] CoverSlide: use node-dirty!
[19:02] antlong: i use couch outside of web apps
[19:02] MooGoo: I already use those
[19:02] CoverSlide: or node-tiny!
[19:02] MooGoo: I'm just wondering if there is a NoDB that doesnt require a seperate server be running
[19:03] MooGoo: er
[19:03] MooGoo: seperate process
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[19:03] kkaefer: oh
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[19:03] kkaefer: now I understand
[19:03] framlin: my test-cobol-mock-recording-system has nothing to do with web, too ... ;)
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[19:03] Aria: Several. 
[19:03] bradley: MooGoo a couple have been mentioned node-dirty, node-tiny, etc. eventvat is starting to get to beta
[19:03] kkaefer: I thought "like sqlite" qualified "nosql", but it instead qualifies "embedded"
[19:04] MooGoo: those are key stores arent they
[19:04] bradley: key stores are valid dbs if used properly, im not sure what you are wanting?
[19:04] CoverSlide: is eventvat persistent?
[19:04] MooGoo: I'm just curious
[19:05] MooGoo: I dont think a key store would be apropriate for a general irc log table
[19:05] bradley: coverslide it can write out to a file, but i dont think it has writethrough and i wouldnt use it until its got an RC
[19:05] Aria: What do you want to do with these logs?
[19:05] MooGoo: take over the world
[19:06] Aria: That's the real question. a kv store is a good start for an inverted index to search by content.
[19:06] Aria: key = word, value = list of occurrences.
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[19:06] Aria: Or key = channel+sequence, value=data
[19:07] MooGoo: arent key value stores bad at querying a range of data based on parmaeters like channel/server/timestamp
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[19:07] Aria: Depends on what you put into them.
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[19:07] Aria: MySQL uses bdb internally, y'know. 
[19:07] Aria: (or can)
[19:07] felixge: I need moral advice
[19:07] Aria: And they built a whole relational database on top!
[19:07] felixge: http://ironjs.wordpress.com/2011/06/22/my-gripes-with-javascript/
[19:08] MooGoo: I'm probably mistaken....but I figured key value stores were best suited to when you know exactly the key of the data you wanted
[19:08] Aria: felixge: Don't do it, man!
[19:08] MooGoo: and didnt have to "search" at all
[19:08] felixge: this article bashing node and js is hotlinking an image from my server
[19:08] bnoordhuis: felixge: bury the body and pretend like nothing happened
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[19:08] bnoordhuis: oh, that kind of moral advice
[19:08] felixge: and I cannot decide which kind of fun I'll have with this
[19:08] felixge: would a big as #poopin be appropiate ?
[19:08] felixge: :)
[19:08] felixge: * big ass
[19:08] framlin: in couchdb you have "views" that are indices with JSON-keys. So you can query/sort/group by the tree properties of your key-object
[19:08] softdrink: replace it with "node js rocks!"
[19:08] CoverSlide: swap the image with tubgirl
[19:08] tjholowaychuk: that guy is lame
[19:08] felixge: softdrink: "JavaScript Rocks - (Hotlinking Doesn't)"
[19:08] tjholowaychuk: "you can replace require"
[19:08] felixge: maybe?
[19:08] felixge: :)
[19:08] tjholowaychuk: in your own module yeah
[19:09] softdrink: that works, too
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[19:09] bradley: i would replace it w/ text that looks like it is part of the article
[19:09] taf2:  felixge yeah
[19:09] MooGoo: oh noes
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[19:09] MooGoo: felixge tell us on this chan why you hate js
[19:10] Aria: felixge: Totally #poopin, man. Heez. What a wanker. "I hate Javascript because it's not Java"
[19:10] chjj: felixge hates js?
[19:10] chjj: !
[19:10] Aria: MooGoo: That's one awesome case, if your data fits it. But they also are good as the intermediate storage for indexes. But then you have to know some indexing techniques.
[19:10] tbranyen: felixge hates js people?
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[19:10] felixge: who says I hate js?
[19:10] tbranyen: racist
[19:10] mkrecny: tput together a recursive nested object url-encoder that i've been wingeing about: any feedback appreciated : https://github.com/mkrecny/urlencode-js
[19:10] felixge: I hate all languages equally
[19:11] felixge: : )
[19:11] tbranyen: just because i don't speak the same language
[19:11] tbranyen: doesn't mean you should hate me
[19:11] MooGoo: yes it does
[19:11] MooGoo: learn english
[19:11] tbranyen: felixge: maybe you should find a new job/hobby?
[19:11] tbranyen: if i hated the tools i used every day i'd probably find something else to do
[19:11] felixge: 
ACTION is getting trolled while trying to troll other people

[19:11] tbranyen: have you tried potting plants?
[19:11] fwg: lol
[19:11] felixge: that's what happens if an irc channel grows this big :)
[19:11] softdrink: yo dawg...
[19:12] felixge: and marak isn't even in here ; )
[19:12] ctide: i think you should try to be subtle felixge
[19:12] ctide: keep the picture mostly intact
[19:12] tbranyen: he's dead jim
[19:12] MooGoo: man these complaints are so lame
[19:12] ctide: but hide some easter egg
[19:12] framlin: I hate JS because its so cool, that I never can stop hacking, going to sleep ... it makes me ill .... and obviouly gray hairs ;)
[19:12] felixge: ctide change the book titles maybe?
[19:12] felixge: :)
[19:12] ctide: yes
[19:12] ctide: something along those lines
[19:12] MooGoo: JS is for people who dont like being told exactly what to do
[19:12] MooGoo: cool kids
[19:12] felixge: hm, but my photoshop foo is weak tonight
[19:12] MooGoo: like us
[19:13] CoverSlide: he isn't a js programmer, he's an f# programmer
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[19:14] CoverSlide: everyone knows js has its quirks
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[19:14] MooGoo: why is switch case fallthrough a JS problem
[19:14] framlin: WAHT?
[19:14] framlin: ;)
[19:14] MooGoo: hey bro...you should probably just redirect your page to jslint.com
[19:15] Aria: Oh, sweet. My linux distro is finally moving development to Git.
[19:15] chjj: the problem with jslint is, it finds lint that isnt there
[19:15] CoverSlide: C has switch case fallthrough
[19:15] CoverSlide: C# doesn't
[19:15] insin: crockfordscriptlint
[19:15] QuesoLoco: JSLint is too much taken as gospel, when it's just 1 man's opinion
[19:15] QuesoLoco: a very smart man, but just a single man
[19:15] Murvin: isaacs:  do you know if any code dev is on the socket problem?  because I think I know what is going on after reading the code for days. 
[19:15] MooGoo: 1 man!?
[19:16] MooGoo: you mean God?
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[19:16] CoverSlide: typeof God != 'man'
[19:16] QuesoLoco: Crockford == 'God' // Err NaN
[19:16] MooGoo: hey...all smart bearded programmers are probably dicks
[19:16] MooGoo: you know
[19:16] framlin: QuesoLoco: you may turn of most of the checks ...
[19:16] CoverSlide: Torvalds has no beard
[19:16] bnoordhuis: Murvin: you mean that stale sockets aren't being closed?
[19:16] CoverSlide: and is a huge dick
[19:16] QuesoLoco: Oh, and triple equals sucks.  Double equals for life.
[19:16] fwg: lennart has no beard either
[19:17] MooGoo: Torvalds
[19:17] MooGoo: he named Linux after himself
[19:17] fwg: oh, its an implication, not an equivalence
[19:17] CoverSlide: actually he didnt
[19:17] MooGoo: well
[19:17] bnoordhuis: CoverSlide: linus is direct in the european sense
[19:17] MooGoo: he's not complaining about it
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[19:17] MooGoo: what kind of name is Linus anyway
[19:17] MooGoo: was he a character in Peanuts
[19:17] CoverSlide: ask charles schultz
[19:17] CoverSlide: yes
[19:18] CoverSlide: the kid with the blanket
[19:18] MooGoo: my favorite
[19:18] chjj: was he the kid that always sucked his thumb?
[19:18] softdrink: i'm kinda partial to pigpen.
[19:18] Murvin: bnoordhuis:  yes.  stale sockets not being closed / destroyed
[19:18] MooGoo: oh yea pigpen
[19:18] MooGoo: he's my favorite
[19:18] Aria: I'm kinda Marci.
[19:18] techwraith: Linus was a whiney bastard if I remenber correctly (the guy in the comic, not the linux god)
[19:18] MooGoo: actually I dont care much about Peanuts
[19:19] MooGoo: I'm partial to Calvin and Hobbes
[19:19] MooGoo: right calvin?
[19:19] techwraith: MooGoo++
[19:19] v8bot:  techwraith has given a beer to MooGoo. MooGoo now has 9 beers.
[19:19] Aria: ++
[19:19] MooGoo: wtf why is my bot so fucked up
[19:19] MooGoo: .. why
[19:19] Calvin: ReferenceError: why is not defined
[19:19] Murvin: bnoordhuis: and eventually slow down the http.request throughput.  
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[19:20] bnoordhuis: Murvin: haven't checked it (yet) but sounds plausible
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[19:21] felixge: http://felixge.s3.amazonaws.com/11/js-meme.jpg
[19:21] felixge: ^---- JS meme template
[19:21] felixge: Call for proposals starts now :)
[19:21] mape: felixge: ;;;;;;;;;; ?
[19:22] Murvin: bnoordhuis: That's what I think what happened about stale socket causing no more new request being taken:   let say my max socket is 1000.   and i run a concurrent test with 1000req/sec
[19:22] MooGoo: what?
[19:22] felixge: mape: http://ironjs.wordpress.com/2011/06/22/my-gripes-with-javascript/ is hotlinking a photo I took, I intend to replace it with something els e;)
[19:22] MooGoo: what are you trying to say felixge 
[19:22] chjj: !
[19:22] felixge: mape: original is : http://static.debuggable.com.s3.amazonaws.com/img/js-good-parts.jpg
[19:22] MooGoo: you really do need to work on your photoshop skillz
[19:22] mape: felixge: ah :D
[19:23] felixge: MooGoo: I also should be writing code right now, it all works out ;)
[19:23] bnoordhuis: Murvin: the thing is that net.js is being overhauled in the switch to libuv
[19:23] MooGoo: no u should be trolling on irc
[19:23] Murvin: bnoordhuis: in the lib/http.js    socket has a fix  timeout of 2 minutes.   If, during this 2 minutes, i have more than 1000 fail requests, then no more socket for new requests.
[19:23] systemfault: felixge: Haha, do it.
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[19:23] jerrysv: felixge: i don't see the difference?
[19:23] systemfault: felixge: Either pr0n or unicorns would be perfect.
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[19:24] swaj: he's hotlinking, like a douche :P
[19:24] jerrysv: i used to respond with images of "THIS EBAY USER STEALS, DO NOT BUY FROM THEM" when people would hotlink my stuff from ebay
[19:24] Murvin: bnoordhuis:  and when all available sockets are not released, it seems that it won't be fixed until server restart.
[19:25] fwg: huh, is HEAD building on osx for anyone?
[19:26] Murvin: bnoordhuis: to fix that, either incrase the maxSocket or reduce the timeout in lib/http.js   that will do. but not the perfect fix.
[19:26] bnoordhuis: Murvin: can you check how man open file descriptors `lsof` reports?
[19:26] Murvin: bnoodhuis: the other way is to manually write a timeout routine, and issue http.clientRequest.abort();  
[19:26] bnoordhuis: Murvin: if it only increases, never decreases, there must be a leak
[19:27] tjholowaychuk: bnoordhuis i noticed something funky like that the other day
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[19:27] bnoordhuis: tjholowaychuk: fd count only going up?
[19:27] taf2: felixge, you better make this happen and keep in context with the article
[19:27] Murvin: bnoordhuis:  I have increased the open files to  13000 hard and 90000 soft. and in my node.js  the http.request.agent.maxSockets is 2000     
[19:27] tjholowaychuk: i did 2k requests, which made 2k calls to (async) fs.close() in node and it would leak roughly 5 per 2k requests
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[19:27] Murvin: I haven't checked lsof
[19:27] `3rdEden: felixge just the photo with a photo of playboy mags ;)
[19:27] tbranyen: such a garbage article
[19:27] tbranyen: just finished reading it
[19:27] tjholowaychuk: with an fs.ReadStream
[19:27] chapel: fwg: don't use head for osx
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[19:27] chapel: use a tag
[19:28] Murvin: bnoordhuis:  I can do the test again and check.. but how to read the output of lsof?
[19:28] EyePulp: felixge: hey, that's a good looking table underneath those books.
[19:28] chapel: git checkout v0.4.8
[19:28] tbranyen: saying to use luajit instead of JS because its faster... dear god
[19:28] chapel: or whatever
[19:28] `3rdEden: bnoordhuis did you ever found 4bytes + unicode char?
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[19:28] tjholowaychuk: bnoordhuis i'll see if i can reproduce stand-alone
[19:28] fwg: chapel: yea ofc, was wondering if something of my setup borked the build or if it was known
[19:29] bnoordhuis: Murvin: `lsof -p PID`
[19:29] felixge: EyePulp: That's my floor
[19:30] bnoordhuis: Murvin: or `lsof -i 4 -p PID` if you only want sockets
[19:30] bnoordhuis: `3rdEden: yeah, i'm not crazy - the wikipedia lemma even mentions it
[19:30] EyePulp: felixge: my bad!  It's a good looking floor then.  looks like older pine
[19:30] Murvin: bnoordhuis:  ok.. and i should look at the size/off ?
[19:31] mape: felixge: http://mape.me/hotlink.jpg if you can't find a better one
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[19:31] tauren: any jade users here? How do I dynamically add a class to an element from a variable? This doesn't work:
[19:31] tauren: table.grid.#{klass}
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[19:31] Murvin: bnoordhuis: how to know if there is a leak by reading the output ? :)
[19:32] bnoordhuis: Murvin: at the number of sockets listed, e.g. `lsof -i 4 -p PID | wc -l`
[19:32] tjholowaychuk: tauren table.grid(class=whatever)
[19:32] tjholowaychuk: will combine both
[19:32] chapel: fwg: most times osx wont build head
[19:32] tauren: tjholowaychuk: thanks!
[19:32] taf2: too bad it's not a gif...
[19:32] bnoordhuis: Murvin: or even better `watch 'lsof -i 4 -p PID | wc -l'` - if the number keeps steadily growing, you probably have a leak
[19:32] mape: felixge: if you find a better one let me know and I'll put it in there
[19:32] Murvin: bnoordhuis:  ok.  cool. i will do the test soon.
[19:33] Skola: Just general curiosity: what kind of modules is the community currently in need of?
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[19:34] tauren: table.grid(class='#{klass}') does the trick
[19:34] tjholowaychuk: tauren class=klass
[19:34] felixge: mape: what about this? http://felixge.s3.amazonaws.com/11/js-hotlinking.jpg
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[19:34] tjholowaychuk: tauren it's js, you dont need the string for that
[19:34] Aria: ++
[19:34] mape: felixge: is it hot-linking or hotlinking?
[19:34] chjj: lol
[19:34] felixge: Hotlinking according to wikipedia
[19:35] mape: k, 1sec
[19:35] tauren: tjholowaychuk: oh, i didn't realize that. thanks. even better!
[19:35] taf2: need to make it relevant to the article...
[19:35] chjj: felixge: i thought it would be a meme or something
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[19:35] chjj: or something...else
[19:35] taf2: felixge, something in context with this: " I’ll list a couple more that I haven’t touched on but I think this image illustrates my point of view better then any words could:"
[19:35] felixge: chjj: this will be a meme from now on ;)
[19:36] chjj: hehe
[19:36] felixge: taf2: suggestions?
[19:36] taf2: 
ACTION thinking

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[19:36] taf2: an easy one would be douche bag :)
[19:36] felixge: well, I don't want to go too mean ;)
[19:37] taf2: yeah
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[19:37] taf2: f# for dummies ?
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[19:38] felixge: http://felixge.s3.amazonaws.com/11/js-hotlink-plus-poopin.jpg
[19:38] felixge: slight revision
[19:38] taf2: yeah run with it
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[19:38] felixge: mape: btw. your fonts looked much better
[19:39] felixge: mape: would you want to take my revision above and give it your style?
[19:39] CoverSlide: use a sans
[19:39] felixge: CoverSlide: ;)
[19:39] CoverSlide: i mean dont use
[19:39] felixge: CoverSlide: That'd be cruelty
[19:39] slicky: comic sans-serif ftw
[19:39] mape: felixge: http://mape.me/hotlinking2.jpg
[19:39] Skola: don't make the title look like glow-in-the-dark stickers :[]
[19:40] CoverSlide: make it look like the real deal
[19:40] felixge: mape: you missed the #poopin
[19:40] felixge: in the lower right
[19:40] mape: felixge: oh, 1sec again.. :P
[19:40] CoverSlide: mape'
[19:40] felixge: also
[19:40] felixge: "The Good Parts"
[19:40] CoverSlide: nice
[19:40] mape: felixge: the good parts are in?
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[19:40] felixge: mape: capital first letters
[19:40] felixge: in the book title
[19:41] mape: oh
[19:41] chjj: it would make more sense if it said, "Hotlinking: The bad parts"
[19:41] deedubs: is there a trigger of sorts in mongoosejs that will let me know when my post.save hooks have run?  I'm having issue with vowsjs terminating before they run :/
[19:42] mape: felixge: #poopin where?
[19:42] felixge: mape: http://felixge.s3.amazonaws.com/11/js-hotlink-plus-poopin.jpg
[19:42] felixge: look in the lower right corner
[19:42] felixge: but any way you want it is fine
[19:42] felixge: but should be subtle
[19:42] felixge: so you don't spot it right away
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[19:43] Aria: Haha.
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[19:43] phpnode: hey, i'm using node as a sort of proxy for elastic search, both node and elastic search are on the same machine (ubuntu), i'm doing absolutely nothing fancy and i'm getting about 16 requests/second, i thought it was elastic search being slow but if i hit it directly i get 200 requests /sec +, anyone have any ideas about what could be causing the slow down, my very short code is here: https://gist.github.com/1040963
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[19:44] felixge: phpnode: http agents ... *sigh*
[19:44] felixge: connection pooling to be more specific
[19:45] felixge: phpnode: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.8/api/all.html#agent.maxSockets
[19:45] phpnode: felixge: i've tried setting agent: false in the request options...
[19:45] felixge: phpnode: maybe that's broken?
[19:45] phpnode: ok, will have a look, thanks
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[19:46] mape: felixge: http://mape.me/hotlink3.jpg
[19:46] felixge: mape: sweet, works for me
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[19:47] bitwise_: can someone help me just serve a static index.html with express? 
[19:47] mape: Just a matter of time then
[19:47] tjholowaychuk: bitwise_ feel free to jump in #express
[19:47] mape: tjholowaychuk: always with the stealing of people from this channel!
[19:48] felixge: ok, gotta figure out how to only serve the new image to him
[19:48] insin: sneaksie tjses
[19:48] felixge: gonna take me a sec
[19:48] felixge: shit I guess I can't on S3
[19:48] felixge: oh well, fuck it
[19:48] phpnode: felixge: i set max sockets to 100, 1000, 10000, 12 requests / second :(
[19:49] mape: felixge: can't replace the img?
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[19:50] felixge: I present: http://ironjs.wordpress.com/2011/06/22/my-gripes-with-javascript/
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[19:50] tjholowaychuk: felixge ahaha
[19:50] taf2: 
ACTION cheers

[19:50] tjholowaychuk: nice man
[19:50] mape: Hmm think there is something wrong with the image there.. :P
[19:51] felixge: https://twitter.com/felixge/status/83623037043351552
[19:51] MooGoo: hey stop being hitler
[19:51] mape: retweet, etc etc
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[19:51] swaj: rofl felixge
[19:52] systemfault: Haha
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[19:52] systemfault: Photoshop++ :P
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[19:53] felixge: mape: thanks :)
[19:53] mape: felixge: justice ;)
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[19:54] stride: lol felixge 
[19:55] MooGoo: wtf did I miss
[19:55] phpnode: anyone know why node would be slow when connecting to a local url?, slightly updated gist here: https://gist.github.com/1040963
[19:55] stride: felixge: is that still getting hits from HN? it was on the frontpage this afternoon, right?
[19:56] felixge: stride: don't know
[19:56] felixge: just saw the article on twitter now
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[19:56] stride: ah ok, thought you had logs from that image on s3 or something
[19:56] Aria: You win, felixge 
[19:57] level09: forever module doesn't seem to be really effective
[19:57] felixge: stride: not really
[19:57] level09: everytime my server crashes, forever process is killed
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[19:58] felixge: I don't care about the bandwidth here, it's about people being wrong on the internet!
[19:58] Aria: And what's crashing your server?
[19:58] mape: level09: how is the process suppose to live if the server is down? cloud heaven?
[19:58] swaj: lol
[19:58] felixge: hotlinking and bitching about js and node like this clearly being a delicious combination of wrong :)
[19:58] mape: man, someone should start heaven.io that is a cloud service
[19:58] level09: mape:  I mean the node server
[19:58] mape: level09: then you are doing something wrong
[19:58] level09: server load is minimal
[19:59] level09: mape: or the module has some bugs ?
[19:59] mape: level09: possible, sounds strange though
[19:59] level09: it works fine on my machine
[19:59] level09: but on production (over 20K connections ) it crashes
[19:59] stride: felixge: but.. but.. he loves his f# microsoft shizzle!
[19:59] stride: :>
[20:00] felixge: stride: I don't think anything is wrong with f#
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[20:00] mape: level09: doubt load would cause issues, it just spawns the instance and keeps track
[20:00] felixge: listened to him talk on the changelog about ironjs
[20:00] felixge: seems like a reasonable guy
[20:00] swaj: F#, god.  Microsoft spends time on crap languages instead of doing real work on IronPython or IronRuby
[20:00] felixge: but this article was just too much fud ... : )
[20:00] level09: mape: I actually have a problem with socket.io
[20:00] mape: felixge: well he is swedish so..
[20:00] level09: it is not node issues
[20:00] level09: the new version is really buggy
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[20:00] level09: I used to scale up to 40K on 0.6
[20:00] mape: level09: perhaps stepping back would be a good idea then
[20:01] stride: felixge: oh, I just realized that my mobile screwed up the layout this afternoon. the FUD I thought he wrote was actually stuff in the comments.. my bad
[20:01] level09: I guess so , but first trying to identify the issue :D
[20:01] Aria: level09: If the server's running out of RAM, forever might die.
[20:01] felixge: stride: well, there is plenty of FUD in the article as well
[20:01] felixge: "Node is decently fast, sure. But it’s nowhere near as breathtakingly fast as it’s zealots want you to believe."
[20:01] level09: Aria:  not really, server resources are just fine
[20:01] level09: or maybe , let me do another check
[20:01] felixge: that statement is totally meangingless
[20:01] Aria: Hm
[20:01] level09: I'm on a large ec2 instance
[20:02] Aria: and no ulimits artificially limiting?
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[20:02] swaj: well there's your problem.. your cloud is crashing... silly EC2 :P
[20:02] swaj: This just in:  THE CLOUD RUNS ON SERVERS!
[20:03] mape: swaj: but then it wouldn't be the cloud?
[20:03] halfhalo: servers made with the ground up bones of unicorns and baby's tears
[20:03] swaj: omg but, the cloud isn't supposed to crash!  It's double-dream-hands-unicorn-sex!
[20:04] level09: Aria: not really, I have increased that
[20:04] stride: sony was only hacked because they kicked a unicorn once
[20:05] stride: felixge: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2682825 the HN thread if you care (currently 31.)
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[20:06] level09: how do I upgrade a module using npm ?
[20:06] level09: there seems to be a minor version upgrade
[20:07] CoverSlide: npm upgrade ?
[20:07] level09: CoverSlide:  does it upgrade minor versions as well ?
[20:08] CoverSlide: it should
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[20:08] level09: thanks, I'll try that
[20:08] mape: just gets the latest on npm
[20:08] antlong: Does anyone know where this comes from, and how to suppress it? http://d.pr/Em0d
[20:09] defeated: quick poll: when dealing with branching logic and callbacks that should end execution, do you: 1) return callback(); 2) callback(); return 3) callback(); and rely and none of the other branches being executed by accident?
[20:09] ctide: nice end result felixge :)
[20:09] level09: CoverSlide: it doesn't seem to work, maybe I should just reinstall
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[20:20] nibblebot: defeated: return callback()
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[20:20] nibblebot: i hate having to use if(err) callback else{ //do real things}
[20:20] defeated: nibblebot: thanks, anyone else have a preference?
[20:21] nibblebot: instead: if(err) return callback; //do things here
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[20:21] defeated: yeah, I agree 100%, just trying to figure out where I stand w/ relation to the overall community
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[20:24] devuo: I'm new to node, which database and/or db module is used by the community? 
[20:24] devuo: thanks :P
[20:24] devuo: most used*
[20:24] mape: devuo: depends on the use
[20:24] defeated: devuo: It depends on what you need to do
[20:26] CoverSlide: everything
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[20:27] mkrecny: any feedback on this module would be appreciated : fairly new to this : https://github.com/mkrecny/urlencode-js
[20:27] erictj: @mkrecny, whaaaat's happening?
[20:27] erictj: ;)
[20:28] mkrecny: erictj: sup doodz!
[20:28] mkrecny: :)
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[20:29] eventualbuddha: mkrecny: looks like a subset of https://github.com/sporkmonger/addressable (ruby)
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[20:30] mkrecny: eventualbuddha: ...expect that it's not contained in that repo - nor is it in ruby
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[20:37] jslatts: anyone know of any good + maintained node FTP server implementations?
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[20:42] jerrysv: aha, so now he made a copy of the javascript image and rehosted it
[20:42] jerrysv: ah, nevermind, that's a whole new picture
[20:43] mape: at least not hotlinked :) and using some poor wordpress plugin instead
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[20:47] jerrysv: mine: http://legitimatesounding.com/javascript.jpg
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[20:53] Aria: I like that, jerrysv 
[20:53] malkomalko: try catch doesn't seem to work very well with an async function in between.. are there any good solutions to this?
[20:53] mscdex: Calvin: async
[20:53] Calvin: async require
[20:53] mscdex: heh
[20:53] jerrysv: aria: thanks. dragged that old book from my garage the other day, happen to have it at the office :)
[20:53] jas_a: hi everyone, i'm developing a mobile phone app which talks to a server which then talks to s3 and cassandra. That's the thought anyways. someone suggested i look at node.js as my server. the phone app talks to that which talks to s3 and cassandra. is node.js a good fit for that situation? the other alternative is phone apps talks to a java server via thrift, which talks to s3/cassandra via provide sdks. any thoughts? 
[20:54] mscdex: whoa
[20:54] mscdex: node.js rules!
[20:54] CoverSlide: not sure how good the support is in node for thrift / cassandra
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[20:56] isaacs: bronson: hey, you around?
[20:56] bronson: isaacs, yep, good observation!
[20:57] isaacs: malkomalko: have your functions call their cb with an error as the first arg.  it is the Node Way.
[20:57] isaacs: malkomalko: then handle that error.
[20:57] isaacs: bronson: hey, so, that . <(npm completion) thingie..
[20:57] isaacs: really super weird
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[20:57] isaacs: bronson: it seems like "." actually closes its argument.
[20:57] bronson: yeah, I mean good observation that it might be writing to stderr.
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[20:57] isaacs: nono, it's not that
[20:57] isaacs: writing to stderr is actually fine.
[20:57] bronson: oh, interesting.
[20:57] isaacs: the problem is that when it tries to write to stdout, it gets an epipe
[20:58] malkomalko: I'm writing a testing library and trying to think of the best way to handle writing my function bodies, and having assertions return with an error if there is a deeply nested async call within my test body
[20:58] isaacs: which normally would indicate that the pipe has been closed
[20:58] isaacs: bronson: note that `cat <(npm completion)` *doesn't* have any problem.
[20:58] bronson: isaacs, agreed, I noticed that too.
[20:58] mscdex: jas_a: there's this at least: https://github.com/wadey/node-thrift
[20:58] bronson: I assume you're using bash?  Wonder if zsh is less twitchy.
[20:59] isaacs: bronson: i am.  bash is the standard.
[20:59] isaacs: bronson: this is also fine: head -n 10 <(npm completion)
[21:00] isaacs: so, it seems like the way to make this work is definitely going to involve handling teh EPIPE, somehow.
[21:00] mape: isaacs: Thanks for the awsome swag! qr-code works fine :D
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[21:01] bronson: isaacs, w. t. f.
[21:01] bronson: why would it even get an EPIPE?
[21:01] isaacs: mape: hooray!!
[21:01] jas_a: mscdex: well, i'm open to other architectures as well. we are just in teh 'talking' phase. basically mobile phoen app to server to DB/storage of some kind. 
[21:01] isaacs: mape: thanks for making the logo
[21:01] mscdex: jas_a: also: https://github.com/racker/node-cassandra-client
[21:01] jas_a: mscdex: are there some case studies of something similar using node.js that i can look at?
[21:01] mape: isaacs: for the greater good!
[21:02] isaacs: bronson: inorite?
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[21:04] isaacs: bronson: yeah, so... i'm gonna just set it to ignore the stupid EPIPE and keep on chugging.
[21:04] bronson: Is there anything weird with the way npm/node starts up?
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[21:04] bronson: isaacs, right on.
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[21:04] isaacs: the only reason i'm a bit concerned is that i don't want to just ignore possible errors in node.
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[21:04] bronson: agreed.
[21:04] isaacs: that being said, EPIPE is a pretty common signal, and should really be handled in app-specific ways, i suppose.
[21:05] isaacs: so, if `source` actually is giving us an epipe, the right thing for node to do would be to raise it in my app
[21:05] bronson: wait, what's giving EPIPE?
[21:05] isaacs: either ".", or the process substitution itself.
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[21:05] isaacs: (ie, bash)
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[21:05] jas_a: is anyone using node.js in the mobile app (eg iphone) space?
[21:05] bronson: can't be stdout, bash still exists and wouldn't have closed it.  right?
[21:05] bronson: playing for a sec.
[21:06] isaacs: bronson: well, in a <() proc sub situation, "stdout" is actually pretending to be a file descriptor for another program.
[21:06] Nuck: Is there a Node.js app in the cydia stuff?
[21:06] isaacs: it's a bit like doing:  npm completion | some-program <&1
[21:07] jas_a: sorry, i meant having an iphone app communicate to a node.js server to push/pull data (images, authentication, etc.)
[21:07] Nuck: 
ACTION is so proud of his ability to read what isaacs says

[21:07] Nuck: jas_a: Just use normal HTTP PUT, PUSH, GET, etc.
[21:08] Nuck: As long as you use standards, you'll be find :D
[21:08] jas_a: Nuck: so you're saying i dn't necessarily need node.js?
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[21:08] phpnode: i'm getting about 12 requests / second when using node to pull data from an elasticsearch instance on the same ubuntu box, i've tried setting max connections to 100 but it makes no difference, can anyone give me any pointers? my very short code is here: https://gist.github.com/1040963
[21:09] Nuck: jas_a: No, but Node.js can handle the loads VERY well.
[21:09] bronson: isaacs, I should have mentioned, this only happens on MacOS.
[21:09] isaacs: bronson: of course.
[21:09] phpnode: * max sockets, not max connections
[21:09] isaacs: bronson: Darwin is kind of a dick when you get down to the lowlevel fs and process stuff, i've found.
[21:09] bronson: yeah, agreed.
[21:09] isaacs: bronson: not as bad as Cygwin, by a long shot, though :)
[21:09] CoverSlide: use erlang! hrhr
[21:09] jerrysv: phpnode: ulimit -a ?
[21:09] Nuck: isaacs: DArwin is a dick.  Have you seen surival of the fittest?
[21:10] jas_a: Nuck: yes, that is what caught my interest. but i'm trying to find a tutorial or case study or something to see how people do this. like iphone->node.js->db/storage
[21:10] Nuck: jas_a: Just create an API in Express, it's what I'm doing.
[21:10] bronson: isaacs, it's GOT to be stderr related.
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[21:10] Nuck: Create a nice RESTful API
[21:10] phpnode: jerrysv: https://gist.github.com/1041211
[21:10] isaacs: Nuck: yeah, indeed.  i think yudkowsky put it well: "Don't put too much faith in 'Survival of the fittest.'  Most of your ancestors are dead."
[21:10] bronson: . <(npm completion 2>&1) works.
[21:10] isaacs: bronson: ??
[21:10] Nuck: isaacs: lol
[21:10] dwasp: has anyone written a sass/scss to stylus convertor?
[21:10] isaacs: bronson: i can write to stderr all over the place, though, and it has no effect.
[21:11] isaacs: bronson: i mean, are you sure it's working, or is it just hiding the error?
[21:11] jas_a: Nuck: can you send me a link?
[21:11] bronson: oh, haha.
[21:11] Nuck: jas_a: Sure.
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[21:11] jas_a: Nuck: to express
[21:11] tjholowaychuk: dwasp i dont think so
[21:11] tjholowaychuk: haven't seen one
[21:11] isaacs: bronson: you probably just sourced a stack trace :)
[21:11] jerrysv: phpnode: 1024 open files, a socket coming in, socket going out for you -- you sure your res.end() is being called? ie, that the end event is being triggered?
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[21:12] Nuck: jas_a: http://expressjs.com/
[21:12] jerrysv: phpnode: maybe try a console.log there, just to make sure
[21:12] bronson: isaacs, yep, pretty sure that's what happened.
[21:12] bronson: sure felt good though.
[21:12] isaacs: bronson: yeah, my --silent "fix" was the same :)
[21:12] phpnode: jerrysv: yeah it's definitely called, i get output, but when i use ab to test it just crawls :(
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[21:13] jerrysv: phpnode: how many requests/second do you get against the _search directly?
[21:14] phpnode: jerrysv: roughly 200
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[21:14] jerrysv: phpnode: odd. well, you are adding overhead, regardless. no error messages?
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[21:16] phpnode: no, no error messages, i'll try setting up another node instance and get it to hit that instead and see if it's still slow
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[21:21] jerrysv: phpnode: maybe take the secondary request out, just return "hello world", isolate the issue
[21:21] jerrysv: or put a timer in, see how long the actual request to _search is taking
[21:22] isaacs: bronson: this is so weird and annoying.
[21:22] phpnode: jerrysv: if i take the request out, i get 400 requests / second
[21:23] jerrysv: phpnode: and when you run ab against _search from the same host node is running on, you get ~200/second ?
[21:23] isaacs: bronson: it's definitely closing npm's stdout, but it seems like it closes it just in time for the first write()
[21:24] phpnode: jerrysv: yeah
[21:25] phpnode: i just set it up to hit another node instance running hello world, again it's 12 requests / sec
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[21:26] phpnode: so the problem isn't elasticsearch, there's some kind of issue with sockets
[21:26] jerrysv: so, outgoing requests very slow. stupid question, but have you tried request? https://github.com/mikeal/request
[21:26] jerrysv: might be a waste of time, but worth a try
[21:26] tyler-iphone: what causes dyld: lazy symbol binding failed: Symbol not found: __ZN6lucene8analysis18WhitespaceAnalyzerC1Ev?
[21:26] jerrysv: tyler-iphone: linking c++ to non c++
[21:27] phpnode: jerrysv: that's what i was using before i switched to http.request, i had the same issue
[21:27] tyler-iphone: jerrysv: you don't happen to be at os bridge do you?
[21:27] tyler-iphone: :)
[21:27] quackquack: What module would I use to proxy an http request to a telnet server like on http://jsterm.com/
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[21:28] Skola: love when I'm chatting on skype and editing in vim at the same time
[21:28] Skola: and I forget to alt-tab out of vim
[21:28] jerrysv: tyler-iphone: sadly, no. i'm at stuck at the office.  maybe hit up the javascript admirers meeting tonight, or bailey's later?
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[21:37] tyler-iphone: jerrysv: what do you mean by 'linking c++ to non c++'?
[21:38] jerrysv: tyler-iphone: are you linking against an external library or against a c compiled file?
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[21:39] tyler-iphone: jerrysv: external lib
[21:40] quackquack: For the web app i am working on I want to embed a terminal emulator. how can I do this on the server side?
[21:40] jerrysv: the linker is trying to link against what it expects to be a c++ library -- to be honest, my c++ is rusty at this point. i got around it by compiling my library with the c++ compiler, and linking it in directly
[21:40] bronson: isaacs, that's utterly weird.
[21:40] bronson: well, as far as I'm concerned, feel free to punt.
[21:40] jerrysv: someone else will probably have a very quick answer of "oh, just do blah blah blah" which will make both of our lives easier
[21:41] tyler-iphone: jerrysv: ok
[21:41] bronson: sometimes workarounds are uglier than the problem.
[21:42] jerrysv: but, i can show you what i did tonight, or just point you to my repository
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[21:44] kuya: does anyone remember a (i think) PEG parser generator that was announced somewhere recently with good error handling? i cant find the link anywhere...
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[21:46] tjholowaychuk: kuya was called "language" i think
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[21:47] tjholowaychuk: https://github.com/tolmasky/language
[21:47] kuya: 
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[21:47] phpnode: this is driving me insane....
[21:47] dwasp: tjholowaychuk: is there a sass/scss to stylus convertor as far as you know?
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[21:47] kuya: iv been looking for that for about 4 hours 
[21:47] tjholowaychuk: dwasp nope
[21:47] dwasp: kthx
[21:48] kuya: i knew it was called something semi obvious 
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[21:54] Nuck: kuya: I give people beers all the time
[21:54] Nuck: tjholowaychuk++
[21:54] v8bot:  Nuck has given a beer to tjholowaychuk. tjholowaychuk now has 34 beers.
[21:54] Nuck: He deserves it :P
[21:54] tjholowaychuk: i dont even like beer
[21:54] tjholowaychuk: haha
[21:54] chapel: heh
[21:54] Nuck: Express is fucking amazing.
[21:54] tjholowaychuk: 
ACTION exchanges beer for redbull

[21:54] Nuck: tjholowaychuk: Exchange for sodas?
[21:54] CoverSlide: a canuck who doesn't like beer?
[21:54] Nuck: Or perhaps some rum?
[21:55] tjholowaychuk: everclear!
[21:55] Nuck: 
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[21:55] Nuck: CHUG CHUG CHUG CHUG
[21:55] Nuck: :D
[21:55] tjholowaychuk: haha that would kill you
[21:55] Nuck: tjholowaychuk: D:
[21:56] Nuck: tjholowaychuk: DON'T DIE ON ME, BILLY!
[21:56] Nuck: I can't live without you!
[21:56] Nuck: 
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[21:59] dall: hello
[22:00] bnoordhuis: dall, always a pleasure!
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[22:00] dall: bnoordhuis, :-) I hope you are not tease me :)
[22:01] dall: ehehe
[22:01] bnoordhuis: not at all
[22:01] bnoordhuis: i think it's sweet you always say hello when you join the channel
[22:01] jerrysv: aha! tyler-iphone, bnoordhuis may be able to help
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[22:01] dall: bnoordhuis, yes respect for all
[22:02] tyler-iphone: bnoordhuis: trying to make clucene wrapper and getting dyld: lazy symbol binding failed: Symbol not found: __ZN6lucene8analysis18WhitespaceAnalyzerC1Ev when i try to run my js
[22:02] jhurliman: what is the best method for creating a private module that i want to share between multiple projects but don't want to publish to npm or github?
[22:02] isaacs: jhurliman: npm link ../my-private-thing
[22:03] bnoordhuis: tyler-iphone: that's a linker error, how are you linking to clucene?
[22:03] isaacs: jhurliman: you should also put "private":true in the package.json in your private thing
[22:03] isaacs: jhurliman: and probably all the thigns that use it
[22:03] tyler-iphone: bnoordhuis: #include <CLucene.h>
[22:04] jhurliman: isaacs, what is the npm link part?
[22:04] bnoordhuis: tyler-iphone: you need to add `-lclucene` in your makefile / wscript / whatever
[22:04] bnoordhuis: tyler-iphone: provided you want to link to the dynamic library
[22:04] tyler-iphone: bnoordhuis: ok thnx
[22:04] isaacs: jhurliman: npm help link
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[22:04] jhurliman: k
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[22:05] isaacs: jhurliman: sets up a symlink to the thing, so you can change it, and see the changes elsewhere.  it's handy when you dev a thing and also dev its deps
[22:05] jerrysv: bnoordhuis: i tried the same thing on my judy project, ended up having to compile with c++ both
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[22:05] bnoordhuis: jerrysv: oh right, that's another thing
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[22:06] bnoordhuis: tyler-iphone: you might need to wrap the #include in an extern "C" { #include <...> }
[22:06] jhurliman: isaacs, our current workflow for a new developer to checkout the code and start working is to git clone the private repo and then run "npm install" to grab all of the depenencies. would npm link be a third step that devs need to do?
[22:06] tyler-iphone: i686-apple-darwin11-llvm-g++-4.2: -lclucene: linker input file unused because linking not done
[22:06] jerrysv: yeah. i thikn that's the key
[22:06] dall: Guys, I'm developing a very very very small web framework (only to understand how node could be good for me website) ... I have a question about fs module.... if i read a file and then send the response... the client will receive all the code obviously, my questions is: how can I do to let node interprets a piace of this file? is it possible? do I have to use special "tags" or do i have to write a module myself that under
[22:06] dall: stand which tags to interpret and then send back the response? (I will understand you if you don't understand my question) :-D
[22:06] isaacs: jhurliman: actually, it'd be a 1.5th step ;)
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[22:06] jerrysv: get rid of the -lclucene you added, add the extern "C" {}
[22:06] isaacs: jhurliman: do it before the `npm install`
[22:07] jhurliman: ah ok
[22:07] bnoordhuis: tyler-iphone jerrysv: clucence is a c++ project, i think? but is its api c or c++?
[22:07] jerrysv: dall: maybe use a templating system, like mustache, or handlebars?
[22:07] Skola: is there a good js lib for primes and other number theory related functions?
[22:08] tyler-iphone: bnoordhuis: the demo files included in distrp are .cpp
[22:08] tyler-iphone: distro*
[22:08] jhurliman: it would be nice if there was some way to specify that step in the base project's package.json. so when running npm install it knew to link to the module at ../my_cool_module
[22:08] dall: jerrysv, mustache... hmmm I see how it works
[22:08] Bwen: jhurliman: but what if the module is not cool? :(
[22:09] jerrysv: dall: personally i prefer handlebars though :)
[22:09] jhurliman: ../my_marginally_interesting_module
[22:09] dall: ok i see handlebars :-)
[22:09] dall: is there a website?
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[22:09] bnoordhuis: tyler-iphone: just found it on github, it's a c++ api
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[22:09] bnoordhuis: tyler-iphone: so belay that remark about extern "C" etc.
[22:10] bnoordhuis: tyler-iphone: you just need to link to clucence, be it dynamically or statically
[22:10] Murvin: bnoordhuis:  hey
[22:11] bnoordhuis: Murvin: hey
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[22:11] Murvin: bnoordhuis:  Yes. there is a memory leak in socket.
[22:11] bnoordhuis: Murvin: yes? do you have an isolated test case?
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[22:12] Murvin: after I run it, the # socket will not back down to what it was.  e.g.  satrt with 2, go up to 2000.. back down to 700.. and stay there.. next time, 700 - 2000+ then stay at 1200 something..  and after couple more runs, it will max out. 
[22:12] tyler-iphone: bnoordhuis: how do i link besides including .h?
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[22:13] Murvin: bnoordhuis:  I have uploaded my test script in gist.github.com
[22:13] Murvin: gist.github.com/1032413   going to put my latest findings there.
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[22:13] bnoordhuis: tyler-iphone: is clucene an included dependency in your project?
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[22:14] Murvin: bnoordhuis:  whenever there is timeout, the socket won't be released most of the time. (even in http.js, there is a socket.destroy() )
[22:14] tyler-iphone: bnoordhuis: i have #include <CLucene.h> im not so good at c++ so i don't know if thats an included dependency
[22:14] bnoordhuis: Murvin: thanks for the gist
[22:14] isaacs: jhurliman: yeah, a few times folks have asked for that.  i dunno, though.  it's kinda brittle, and would be hard to prevent un-resolvable stuff from going into the registry.
[22:15] bnoordhuis: Murvin: i think i know what / where it's going wrong
[22:15] isaacs: jhurliman: maybe it could be allowed iff "private":true is in the package.json file, or could imply private:true or something.
[22:15] jhurliman: yeah
[22:15] isaacs: jhurliman: your best bet, really, would be to set up your own registry.
[22:15] jhurliman: for now i'm just copy pasting ~200 lines of code between the projects to avoid the extra setup step
[22:15] jhurliman: hmm
[22:16] isaacs: jhurliman: and then just `npm install` and it'll pull the deps from your private reg
[22:16] jhurliman: that's an idea
[22:16] isaacs: jhurliman: also, you can put: "publishConfig":{"registry":"http://my-internal-thing"} in your package.json, so you don't accidentally publish to the public reg
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[22:16] jhurliman: isaacs, in lieu of "private":true?
[22:16] isaacs: jhurliman: yeah
[22:16] jhurliman: k
[22:16] isaacs: jhurliman: private:true prevents any publishing to anywhere.
[22:17] isaacs: jhurliman: it's like: "publishConfig":{"registry":null}
[22:17] isaacs: but with a nicer error message :)
[22:17] jhurliman: good to know
[22:17] isaacs: npm help json <-- lots of info there.
[22:17] isaacs: every relevant field should be explained there.
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[22:17] Murvin: bnoordhuis:  I also notice that, if there is a socket timeout, it won't throw the error everytime.    
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[22:18] bnoordhuis: Murvin: updated the issue, i'll try to look at later this week
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[22:19] bnoordhuis: tyler-iphone: do you have clucene installed? and if so, where?
[22:20] tyler-iphone: bnoordhuis: what is "installed" like .dylib files in /usr something?
[22:21] tyler-iphone: i did make install from clucene and it didn't yell at me so im assuming its installed
[22:22] bnoordhuis: tyler-iphone: ah... don't take offense but you might be in over your head
[22:22] tyler-iphone: bnoordhuis: im getting that feeling :) oh well sink or swim ;)
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[22:23] jerrysv: tyler-iphone: just noticed that jsadmirers moved, got my day passes printed out, so if all else fails i may be able to help you tonight
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[22:23] bnoordhuis: tyler-iphone: i can't quite go into detail but google on 'gcc linking' and you'll find some useful info
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[22:23] tyler-iphone: bnoordhuis: ok thanks
[22:24] tyler-iphone: jerrysv: cool
[22:24] Murvin: bnoordhuis:  I've just updated it.   I will keep update it when I have new discovery.   I update in gist.github.com.  is that the right place?
[22:24] bitwise_: hey whats best way to store data with node. just need to persist some simple lat/lon values
[22:24] tyler-iphone: the reason why im doing it in the first place is too learn about c++ and making wrappers
[22:24] tyler-iphone: to*
[22:25] bnoordhuis: Murvin: yes, that's fine
[22:25] Murvin: bnoordhuis:  :-)
[22:26] jerrysv: tyler-iphone: noble goal :)
[22:26] tyler-iphone: i know ruby/node/php/scala and go fairly decent but i suck in the c/c++ category
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[22:30] niftylettuce: chapel++
[22:30] v8bot:  niftylettuce has given a beer to chapel. chapel now has 12 beers.
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[22:31] dall: see you soon, have a good continuation... goodbye
[22:31] tyler-iphone: bnoordhuis: hey i got it to work, it was clucene-core :)
[22:32] bnoordhuis: tyler-iphone: hah, congrats :)
[22:34] Murvin: bnoordhuis:  for sure there is a leak.  Even there is no socket timeout, the  # of socket doesn't go back down.  
[22:34] CIA-104: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * r61b6eb2 10/ (deps/uv/ev/ev.c deps/uv/ev/ev.h): 
[22:34] CIA-104: node: Prevent "undefined symbol: ev_rt_now" link errors in third-party modules.
[22:34] CIA-104: node: Fixes #1181. - http://bit.ly/l95BT3
[22:34] CIA-104: node: 03Bert Belder 07master * rc831499 10/ (deps/uv/ev/ev.c deps/uv/ev/ev.h): 
[22:34] CIA-104: node: Merge pull request #1216 from bnoordhuis/issue1181
[22:34] CIA-104: node: Prevent "undefined symbol: ev_rt_now" link errors in third-party modules. - http://bit.ly/mPKBUs
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[22:36] CIA-104: node: 03Ben Noordhuis 07master * rc95da94 10/ (deps/uv/ev/ev.c deps/uv/ev/ev.h): 
[22:36] CIA-104: node: Prevent "undefined symbol: ev_rt_now" link errors in third-party modules.
[22:36] CIA-104: node: Fixes #1181. - http://bit.ly/mzWND6
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[22:55] jerrysv: duncanbeevers: js admirers tonight?
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[22:56] wilfred: hi all
[22:56] wilfred: I think I've found a (trivial and unexciting) npm bug
[22:56] wilfred: is there a npm-specific channel?
[22:56] isaacs: wilfred: you're in the right place.
[22:56] isaacs: wilfred: and all npm bugs are exciting :)
[22:57] isaacs: (to me, at least)
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[22:59] sh1mmer: isaacs: challenge excepted.
[23:00] isaacs: sh1mmer: which one...?
[23:00] sh1mmer: I don't believe all NPM bugs are interesting to even you
[23:00] sh1mmer: but I'm sure not looking for one which is that dull
[23:00] wilfred: ah, I misread something. I'm afraid I can't even give you an unexciting bug :)
[23:00] isaacs: heh :)
[23:00] isaacs: wilfred: documentation wtfs are bugs, as well.
[23:01] sh1mmer: isaacs: see my last tweet btw. I'm sure it's an architectural thing, but it is interesting
[23:01] sh1mmer: I excepted to return false
[23:01] isaacs: wilfred: perhaps unfixable, but ideally, you wouldn't run into that "wait, what?" experience when using npm.
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[23:02] jerrysv: speaking of npm bugs, just commented more on the semver bug i opened. hopefully as a reminder :)
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[23:03] wilfred: isaacs: so, I'm a complete novice. I did "$ npm search jshint", and only one line had an additional description so I thought it was a second package on the same line
[23:03] wilfred: perhaps a ps style header would help?
[23:03] isaacs: wilfred: hm, yeah, that'd be handy
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[23:04] isaacs: also, i really gotta get that server-side searching stuff from mbrevoort in there..
[23:04] isaacs: npm search has gotten godawful slow
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[23:04] isaacs: wilfred: yeah, a header for npm search would be winful, and easy to do.  good idea. wanna post an issue?
[23:04] wilfred: will do
[23:05] isaacs: i'm thinking something simple like "name         description         keywords" or something
[23:05] ryan0x2: there a standard html/dom parser for node?
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[23:05] isaacs: ryan0x2: jsdom, probably
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[23:06] tmpvar: jsdom is not a parser!
[23:06] tmpvar: :P
[23:07] jerrysv: oh, hi tmpvar
[23:07] tmpvar: it is definitely a dom though
[23:07] tmpvar: hey there jerrysv 
[23:07] jerrysv: must have a keyword finder on jsdom :)
[23:07] ryan0x2: ah this is yours tmpvar
[23:07] ryan0x2: isaacs,tmpvar: this looks good, thanks
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[23:08] isaacs: tmpvar: jsdom uses aria's html5, doesn't it?
[23:08] tmpvar: node-httpparser
[23:08] isaacs: 
ACTION mostly knows about this from getting pinged about npm install failures...

[23:08] tmpvar: wow!, htmlparser even
[23:08] wilfred: done. https://github.com/isaacs/npm/issues/1068
[23:08] tmpvar: you can use aria's parser if you jump through some hoops (will be solved soon)
[23:09] isaacs: oh, no, html5 uses jsdom...
[23:09] isaacs: apaprently?
[23:09] isaacs: wilfred: thanks :)
[23:09] jerrysv: that could get interesting
[23:09] tmpvar: isaacs, yeah, but the inverse will be true soon
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[23:09] isaacs: awesome
[23:09] sh1mmer: tmpvar: did ORM sort everything out?
[23:10] tmpvar: sh1mmer, responded with a couple questions. so we'll see
[23:10] sh1mmer: tmpvar: feel free to cc me if you get stuck. The conference chair is on vacation so I can help too
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[23:11] tmpvar: awesome, much appreciated
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[23:11] sh1mmer: tmpvar I'm excited to have you speak
[23:12] tmpvar: less mic trouble this time I'm hoping ^_^
[23:12] sh1mmer: haha, let's hope so
[23:12] sh1mmer: that wasn't so much fun
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[23:16] jerrysv: wait, there was mic trouble at nodeconf, wasn't there?
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[23:17] sh1mmer: yep
[23:17] sh1mmer: MCing that was a bit annoying
[23:17] jerrysv: well, to be fair there were lots of problems :)
[23:18] sh1mmer: Mikeal did his best but the space wasn't 100% ideal
[23:18] jerrysv: yeah. it was an odd one. the wifi thing was weird
[23:18] sh1mmer: You have to work with what you've got
[23:18] jerrysv: i think you guys did great under the circumstances
[23:19] sh1mmer: :) thx
[23:19] jerrysv: though work on wednesday and friday both sucked
[23:20] jerrysv: sh1mmer: you up here for os bridge? i see you're coming up for oscon
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[23:24] niftylettuce: how do we request permission to use "Built with <a>Node.js</a>" on our site footer?
[23:24] niftylettuce: talk to joyent folk?
[23:25] niftylettuce: we need to?
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[23:27] Murvin: bnoordhuis:  i have more discovery of how the socket leak. it doesn't leak at the socket timeout or error. it doesn't release at successful call.  i think it has to do with connection poll.
[23:27] Murvin: pool
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[23:29] bnoordhuis: Murvin: you mean the fd isn't closed when the http request went okay? that's works-as-expected
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[23:29] sh1mmer: jerrysv: oscon. couldn't make osbridge
[23:30] stagas: niftylettuce: why should you
[23:30] sh1mmer: jerrysv: doing a whole day on node for oscon
[23:30] sh1mmer: niftylettuce: you don't need permission
[23:30] sh1mmer: niftylettuce: you can just do that
[23:30] Murvin: bnoordhuis: yes. i expect that too.. but there are some other behaviors that I don't expect from that.. and that causing slow down and crash 
[23:30] Murvin: bnoordhuis:  i will update in the gist later. 
[23:30] Murvin: :)
[23:31] niftylettuce: sh1mmer: i thought it was trademarked
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[23:31] niftylettuce: sh1mmer: o_O maybe was thinking of something else
[23:31] sh1mmer: niftylettuce: it's a nominative use
[23:31] sh1mmer: "fair use"
[23:31] niftylettuce: sh1mmer: ty :)
[23:31] Murvin: bnoordhuis: not a easy test.. took me hours. :)
[23:31] sh1mmer: The trademark means you have to get permission if you do something that implies a relationship with Joyent
[23:32] sh1mmer: For example, lots of stores sell Coca Cola, but they don't each need permission from Coke
[23:32] bnoordhuis: Murvin: well, good work :)
[23:32] sh1mmer: But you couldn't create the Coca Cola Distribution company
[23:32] sh1mmer: even if all you did was resell coke products
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[23:46] jerrysv: sh1mmer: let me know if you're up for grabbing a beer while you're here
[23:47] sh1mmer: jerrysv: I think we'll probably organise a beer.js on Tuesday night after the node track
[23:47] jerrysv: sh1mmer: perfect -- i already have a beer night that night, tech people, the gf and i were both at jsconf/nodeconf. we meet at bailey's
[23:47] jerrysv: you're welcome to join/augment as you see fit
[23:47] niftylettuce: drinking bailey's from a shoe
[23:49] jerrysv: sh1mmer: http://baileystaproom.com/ - it's where some of us had beers after nodeconf
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[23:49] sh1mmer: I'm pretty certain I've been there before
[23:50] sh1mmer: do they have an outside area?
[23:50] jerrysv: right in front, yeah
[23:50] sh1mmer: hm
[23:50] sh1mmer: maybe not then
[23:50] jerrysv: across from the saucebox, and across from mary's (a strip club)
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[23:50] sh1mmer: yeah, I know where it is now
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[23:50] sh1mmer: but I don't think I've been
[23:50] zmbmartin: I need to scrape a value from a site. Is there any node tools for this?
[23:50] jmoyers: tjholowaychuk in soda.js, is there a way to name your tests (for sauce) on a per session() basis, or do you have to create a new client for each?
[23:51] sh1mmer: 
ACTION tries to get to Portland a few times a year

[23:51] jerrysv: it's my personal favorite beer bar in town
[23:51] jerrysv: (wearing a bailey's shirt atm)
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[23:53] Determinist: grrr
[23:53] Determinist: how does one decode a base64 string?
[23:53] Determinist: (new Buffer('b64encoded', 'base64')).toString('utf8') doesn't seem to be the way
[23:54] TooTallNate: Determinist: that should work
[23:54] TooTallNate: v8bot: Buffer
[23:54] v8bot: TooTallNate: Use v8: <code> to evaluate code or "`v commands" for a list of v8bot commands.
[23:54] Determinist: TooTallNate: unfortunately, it doesn't
[23:54] TooTallNate: v8: Buffer
[23:54] v8bot: TooTallNate: ReferenceError: Buffer is not defined
[23:54] TooTallNate: damnit
[23:54] TooTallNate: well post a gist
[23:55] tjholowaychuk: Determinist pipe through base64 first to make sure it's valid
[23:55] sh1mmer: is base64 even a valid encoding for buffer?
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[23:56] sh1mmer: ok that would be yes
[23:57] Determinist: tjholowaychuk: pipe through?
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[23:57] Determinist: you mean on the CLI?
[23:58] tjholowaychuk: yeah
[23:58] tjholowaychuk: i use what you are trying to do all the time
[23:58] tjholowaychuk: works for me
[23:58] sh1mmer: Determinist: it works for me
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[23:59] Determinist: erm
[23:59] Determinist: sec
[23:59] sh1mmer: > new Buffer('foo', 'utf8').toString('base64')
[23:59] sh1mmer: 'Zm9v'
[23:59] sh1mmer: > new Buffer('Zm9v', 'base64').toString('utf8')
[23:59] sh1mmer: 'foo'
[23:59] Determinist: google is doing something really naughty with their base64 stuff