[00:01] carpeliam: hm, i'm just starting to look into this, and i'm not sure if i'm grokking the difference between pub/sub, RPC, sockets
[00:01] Aria: Pub/sub is a "central coordinating node" pattern. RPC is request-and-response to do something remotely. Sockets are a transport layer for doing either.
[00:02] SubStack: with pubsub or rpc you can emulate the other
[00:03] Aria: For sure. 
[00:03] carpeliam: thanks Aria :) yeah SubStack that's kind of what i was thinking... i mean, pubsub seems like it aligns: for a game with multiple rooms, everybody in a room "subscribes" to the messages for that room
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[00:04] Aria: Yeah.
[00:04] Aria: They're at an equivalent layer of the stack, but differently shaped.
[00:04] carpeliam: but that's not to say you couldn't use sockets to do that
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[00:05] Aria: Yeah, but you'd be making pubsub yourself ;-)
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[00:05] SubStack: or getting EventEmitter to do all the work
[00:05] carpeliam: Aria: exactly, and on top of pubsub i'd be making authentication etc
[00:05] SubStack: that's what dndoe does
[00:05] Aria: Yeah.
[00:05] Aria: Or before you get pubsub working.
[00:05] SubStack: *dnode
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[00:06] Aria: pubsub clients<->auth<->socket<->auth<->pubsub server
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[00:20] rpj8: Why is it called pub/sub?
[00:20] carpeliam: publish/subscribe
[00:21] rpj8: well, yes I kind of figured as much.
[00:21] rpj8: but like.
[00:21] rpj8: where does the name come from
[00:22] carpeliam: rpj8: outside of being an abbreviation, i'm not sure what you mean
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[00:30] tmzt: rpj8: Dave Winer?
[00:30] tmzt: SubStack: any reason why dnode wouldn't work inside of a facebook canvas?
[00:31] rpj8: tmzt: not me
[00:31] rpj8: shoot. i still have no idea why dnode isn't working.
[00:31] rpj8: this is madness
[00:31] meatmanek: tmzt: I'm not familiar with facebook canvas, but the same origin policy comes to mind
[00:32] tmzt: I'm more worried about socket.io using window.top
[00:32] tmzt: this seems like the right way to go about it, it's a game so I need the logic on the server
[00:33] tmzt: okay, another question, but has anybody actually done anythign with spludo? I don't want to break with express entirely but it would be nice to have some kind of structure
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[00:34] SubStack: tmzt: I don't know what a facebook canvas is :/
[00:34] tmzt: also concerened that it doesn't mention jade support
[00:34] tmzt: SubStack: cross origin iframe basically
[00:35] SubStack: that is a question to ask the socket.io folk
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[00:37] tmzt: that makes sense, it's probably going to be using flashsocket
[00:37] marcusalmeida: hi guys. is it possible to run jasmine tests on node.js ?
[00:37] carpeliam: marcusalmeida: yes, i'm using jasmine-node
[00:38] tmzt: okay, what I want to do is expose a lazy list of objects and have server side methods on them, I'm trying to figure out how to do that with mongoose and dnode, it should just work though
[00:38] rpj8: SubStack: alright, i'm totally doing something wrong here.
[00:38] rpj8: SubStack: I tried the example from github and I get `n = ?'
[00:38] tmzt: this get's handled correctly?
[00:38] marcusalmeida: carpeliam: thx
[00:38] SubStack: rpj8: you should open up a debugger already
[00:39] SubStack: rpj8: also what browser?
[00:39] rpj8: firefox 4.0.1
[00:39] SubStack: try in chrome
[00:39] SubStack: also are there any errors in the debugger?
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[00:46] tmzt: https://github.com/Worlize/Socket.IO-node/commit/9982232032771574ceb68e2bccee4e43fd5af887#diff-0
[00:47] tmzt: this might help with the websocket (76) issue, at least with haproxy
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[02:23] rpj8: wow.
[02:23] rpj8: next socket.io release.
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[02:23] rpj8: wow.
[02:23] rpj8: i'm excitd
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[02:41] Stephen: Why does ryah want that page hit?
[02:42] Stephen: Cause it don't seem to do much
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[02:49] quackquack: ive noticed that, it has no real content :P
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[02:51] AvianFlu: lol who's spamming it with that long integer
[02:52] mt3ck_: it makes lots of dots ;)
[02:52] mt3ck_: whoops
[02:52] Stephen: wierd....
[02:53] Stephen: alert(document.getElementById("chats").children[0].innerText)
[02:53] Stephen: that returns a result
[02:53] Stephen: why isn't it displaying?
[02:54] AvianFlu: so wait is everyone a random integer screen name? hilarious
[02:54] Stephen: Even in firebug it doesn't show in the html tab
[02:56] Stephen: Ah, he used innerText
[02:56] Stephen: innerText isn't valid in Firefox
[02:58] Stephen: If you want it to work for you, run this in the Firebug console:
[02:58] Stephen: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1247996
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[03:03] sveimac: anyone familiar with the no.de service?
[03:03] u4ea: sveimac: #joyent
[03:03] sveimac: yeah, its dead there atm :P
[03:04] u4ea: ah, well the people most knowledgable about it would be in there, what do you want to know?
[03:04] sveimac: you know if there is a machine reset, its quite old - and i would like to have a "fix"-button :P
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[03:09] Stephen: v8 built to x64, very quickly even
[03:09] Stephen: 
ACTION is suddenly very happy

[03:09] mscdex: 38 seconds for me :-D
[03:10] mscdex: well, for all of node, not just v8
[03:10] Stephen: So, now the question
[03:11] Stephen: scons doesn't have an "install"
[03:11] Stephen: where would you put d8?
[03:11] Stephen: in /usr/bin ?
[03:11] Aria: /usr/local/bin if admin installed, /usr/bin if a system package
[03:13] Stephen: does v8 have an inspect() or props() method?
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[03:15] Aria: I don't think so
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[03:16] Stephen: llvm takes for friggen ever to install
[03:16] Stephen: erm build
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[03:23] tomshaw: Does anybody have an example of iterating thru an mongo embedded document in jade?
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[03:37] yeyint: hello
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[03:59] Dinosaurus: how do you recommend for manipulating @ bit level in js?
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[04:02] mikegerwitz: Dinosaurus: is there anything wrong with the bitwise operators? (aside from them being notoriously slow..though idk if that's the case in v8)
[04:02] Dinosaurus: no theres nothing wrong with them
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[04:06] Dinosaurus: maybe it would be better to use nodejs extnesion
[04:07] mikegerwitz: Dinosaurus: Is there anything in particular you're trying to do?
[04:07] Dinosaurus: yes
[04:07] Dinosaurus: converting a game server packet compression algorithm
[04:08] mikegerwitz: Dinosaurus: oh.
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[04:09] mikegerwitz: Dinosaurus: I'd do some profiling using JS. If it doesn't perform like you'd expect, then you can try writing it in C++. Bit manipulation is fairly basic, so I'm not sure what a module would provide you
[04:10] mikegerwitz: Dinosaurus: Unless you found a module with specific algorithms you need
[04:10] Dinosaurus: js has no unsigned types
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[04:12] mikegerwitz: Dinosaurus: But if you're only manipulating bits, that doesn't entirely matter.
[04:12] mikegerwitz: Dinosaurus: But chances are it'll be easier in C++ :)
[04:13] Dinosaurus: you need integer wraparound for xsha1 though
[04:13] Dinosaurus: it would be easier cpp i thnk
[04:14] mikegerwitz: Dinosaurus: Ahh. Yeah.
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[04:15] Chani: so, I want to write to a file (either with fs.createWriteStream or fs.write) but I need to make sure it's flushed to disk. how do I do that?
[04:16] niftylettuce: SubStack: how do I make a normal jQuery plugin suited for dnode?
[04:16] niftylettuce: SubStack: as a module 
[04:18] niftylettuce: can I just prepend with a module.exports = function(jQuery) {
[04:18] Chani: also, wtf does fs.createWriteStream do if there's an error?
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[04:22] niftylettuce: ah, got it
[04:23] mikegerwitz: Chani: see stream.write: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.8/api/streams.html#stream.write (regarding the return value)
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[04:23] mikegerwitz: Chani: and most modules will emit an 'error' event on error
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[04:32] warz: so, before i start working on this new project of mine, i just want to make sure im choosing software thats still being maintained. are expressjs and jade still both the go-to tools for basic websites?
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[04:38] Aria: Yes.
[04:39] Aria: Well, for web apps. Overkill for a 'site'
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[04:40] jesusabdullah: Well, damned near anything is overkill for a static site these days :)
[04:40] Aria: Indeed. And one /should/ use cache-friendly stuff for static content ;-)
[04:41] Aria: Rather than making that an afterthought
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[04:47] jesusabdullah: hmm
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[04:49] iammerrick: Anyone know of an example of how to set this up in your express appliation ? https://github.com/LearnBoost/express-mongoose
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[04:59] SubStack: niftylettuce: there's a jquery-browserify on npm already
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[05:17] iammerrick: Is there a way to write a module so its single function
[05:17] iammerrick: meaning require('module')()
[05:19] iammerrick: like modules.exports but without the whole calling a function
[05:19] Aria: I'm not sure I follow -- set modules.exports to be a function and you can call it like that.
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[05:20] niftylettuce: SubStack: if the js function args are $ and varName, can I simply wrap a module.exports = function($) around it? or need I pass function($, varName)?
[05:21] niftylettuce: 
ACTION hasn't dove into it yet -.-

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[05:24] chapel: niftylettuce: just wrap the whole module, every bit of actionable code with what I told you
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[05:24] niftylettuce: chapel: kk
[05:24] chapel: module.exports = function($) { plugin }
[05:25] chapel: because iphoneStyle is just a string set at the bottom
[05:25] chapel: last line })(jQuery, 'iphoneStyle');
[05:25] chapel: actually
[05:25] chapel: do function(jQuery)
[05:25] chapel: okay
[05:25] chapel: 
ACTION is go

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[05:27] Guest12860: Hello all
[05:28] Aria: Hello.
[05:29] SubStack: niftylettuce: with jquery-browserify you just do var $ = require('jquery')
[05:30] Guest12860: I have a problem with a node script I have written. I have completely commented it all out except for a console.log but i am still getting an error:  node.js:134         throw e; // process.nextTick error, or 'error' event on first tick 
[05:31] Aria: Which version of node? installed how?
[05:32] Guest12860: .4.8 built from source on osx
[05:35] Guest12860: the thing that gets me is that it is acting like i have an open event responder because the first error is /node/projects/elearning/3.0/dataServices.js:67 });   
[05:36] Guest12860: (there are only 66 lines in my file, so if i where missing some markup this would make sense but the while thing is commented
[05:37] Aria: Hm.
[05:37] Guest12860: i dont need anybody to solve it for me i was just looking to see if anybody else had run into it. 
[05:38] Guest12860: I know node doesnt have a cache but that is what it is acting like
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[06:18] niftylettuce: chapel++
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[06:54] jhurliman: is it possible to specify a specific git checkout url for a library in my package.json file?
[06:56] SubStack: it is indeed!
[06:56] jhurliman: i'm using someone's smtp library but it requires a patch to work with node 0.4.8. i have a forked copy of the library with the fix applied on github (and a pending pull request) but would like to push code to our staging server soon
[06:56] jhurliman: oh great
[06:56] SubStack: jhurliman: https://github.com/substack/node-burrito/blob/master/package.json#L29
[06:56] jhurliman: awesome ty
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[06:59] jhurliman: oh interesting, that links to a tarball not an actual git url
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[07:50] newcomer: hi gays ,when I installed openssl but it still prompt  cant autodetect openssl  , does this matters ?   thanks 
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[07:55] systemfault: Ask them guys instead of the gays.
[07:56] systemfault: s/them/the
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[07:58] DelvarWorld: newcomer are you on mac, windows, ubuntu...
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[08:00] chjj: newcomer, node *can* compile without openssl, you just wont be able to use crypto, tls, https, etc
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[08:03] newcomer: @ DelvarWorld I am on a 32 CentOs
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[08:05] systemfault: newcomer: When it means openssl, it means the dev headers
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[08:06] systemfault: newcomer: probably a package called openssl-devel or something
[08:06] newcomer: @ chjj thanks a lot , I will try that
[08:06] systemfault: s/it means/it mentions
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[08:11] newcomer: @ systemfault thank you , I fixed it
[08:12] newcomer: it needs the openssl-devel packet
[08:12] systemfault: :)
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[08:39] mscdex: node.js rules!
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[08:39] Skola: yes
[08:40] Skola: muchos
[08:40] DTrejo: !!
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[08:42] _beau: hehe, i think thats why we are all here
[08:42] _beau: !insult _beau
[08:42] Calvin: _beau thinks animals are capable of love.
[08:42] _beau: aww
[08:43] _beau: !insult Yo momma
[08:43] Calvin: Yo momma always forgets dolphins.
[08:43] Skola: Harsh
[08:43] _beau: the yo momma jokes actually make me smile
[08:44] Skola: !recommend me a good advanced, practical JS book
[08:44] Skola: .. worthless
[08:44] Calvin: ReferenceError: worthless is not defined
[08:44] Skola: lol
[08:44] SubStack: why read books when there's internet?
[08:44] Skola: because books have lot's of content of predictable quality in 1 place
[08:45] Skola: lots
[08:45] Skola: *
[08:45] SubStack: I should write one of those
[08:45] SubStack: except for instead of a book it will be a collection of web pages
[08:45] Skola: sure, I'd get it
[08:46] Skola: and fyi I mean eBook
[08:46] SubStack: presumably you would GET it yes
[08:46] Skola: yes ;p
[08:46] SubStack: being a web page on the hypertexts
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[08:46] Skola: well I could rephrase my question to ask for _resources_ instead
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[08:48] _beau: !insult Cutting down trees for books
[08:48] Calvin: Cutting down trees for books is a dentist
[08:49] SubStack: Calvin: that's a lumberjack actually
[08:49] Calvin: lumberjack actually
[08:49] Skola: : D
[08:49] _beau: and then the power goes out :O
[08:49] Skola: I would NEVER read certain books on screen
[08:49] SubStack: I've read quite a few books on computer screens
[08:50] Skola: "Programming in Haskell", sure.. Proust? Hell no
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[09:10] jonaslund: i prefer to read books in the toilet
[09:10] jonaslund: and i'm not taking my laptop there
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[09:12] NuckingFuts: jonaslund: Get a Kindle
[09:12] NuckingFuts: Duh
[09:12] SubStack: poopin'
[09:12] NuckingFuts: 
ACTION reads Twitter while he poops

[09:13] jonaslund: what's kindle? ;P
[09:13] jonaslund: (Seriously.. it's hardly a known product around here)
[09:13] jonaslund: seen some people with iPads
[09:13] jonaslund: i think i've seen ONE kindle ever
[09:13] NuckingFuts: 
ACTION uses his iPhone while he poops

[09:14] NuckingFuts: That's how I beat TrainyardExpress :P
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[09:14] NuckingFuts: v8bot: beers
[09:14] v8bot: NuckingFuts: Use v8: <code> to evaluate code or "`v commands" for a list of v8bot commands.
[09:14] NuckingFuts: v commands
[09:14] NuckingFuts: 
ACTION can't recall the beer shit

[09:14] NuckingFuts: `v commands
[09:14] v8bot: NuckingFuts: Commands: Type `v <command>.  Optionally, type `v <command> @ <nick> to send to a specific user. 				`v Commands are: about, beers, commands, git, google, help. Other commands: v8, `re, `pcre, `ref.  Type `v help <command> for more information.  Join #v8bot for more support.
[09:15] jonaslund: NuckingFuts: nick++
[09:15] NuckingFuts: `v help beers
[09:15] v8bot: NuckingFuts: beers Command: Type nick++ to give a beer to a user (usually as a way to say "thanks").  Type nick-- to take a beer away from a user. 					Type "`v beers <nick>" to get the number of beers for a specific user.
[09:15] jonaslund: stupidity++
[09:15] v8bot:  jonaslund has given a beer to stupidity. stupidity now has 1 beers.
[09:15] NuckingFuts: I know
[09:15] mtsmith: hey there everybody -- does anyone have a resource for uploading files with the Express framework (or using formidable)? I'm struggling to grok how to handle file uploads.
[09:15] NuckingFuts: Ah, cool, nice and simple
[09:15] NuckingFuts: I just wanna implement this on my deviantART chatbot ;-)
[09:15] NuckingFuts: I run a big developer room on there, and a karma system is always awesome :P
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[09:16] NuckingFuts: And by big I mean like 20 people.  So not big by IRC standards.
[09:16] Tobsn: irc channels are in general realively small
[09:16] Tobsn: 5-20 people
[09:17] jonaslund: `v help re
[09:17] v8bot: jonaslund: No manual page for this command.
[09:17] jonaslund: `v help `re
[09:17] v8bot: jonaslund: `re Command: The "`re" command evaluates regular expressions. Usage: `re text /regex/flags
[09:17] jonaslund: `v help `ref
[09:17] v8bot: jonaslund: `ref Command: Uses Google search on authority websites to return a link for a specific topic. For example, the Javascript 					reference will provide only results from MDC.  The RegExp reference will only provide results from regular-expressions.info
[09:17] v8bot: jonaslund: Currently supported references: js, jquery, regex, perl, php, java, mdc, w3c, html, css, dom, wiki, msdn
[09:17] v8bot: jonaslund: Usage: `ref <language> <search>
[09:17] Tobsn: `re you know how uncomfortable it is to write `on a non english keyboard?
[09:17] v8bot: Tobsn: Invalid syntax. Usage: `re text /regex/flags
[09:17] v8bot: jonaslund: Example: `ref js array *or* `ref regex groups
[09:17] Tobsn: use '
[09:17] Tobsn: ;)
[09:17] Tobsn: 'something
[09:18] NuckingFuts: Tobsn: When I said I was a big dev chat, I meant the biggest.  The dev community on dA is pretty big, considering it's an art community, but not large in absolute numbers :P
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[09:18] Tobsn: i dont know what you were talking about, just joined right when you said that one sentence
[09:18] Tobsn: just threw that in :P
[09:18] NuckingFuts: That's like if this room were 20 people lol
[09:18] NuckingFuts: So that's pretty sad
[09:19] Tobsn: whats dA?
[09:19] u4ea: something that used to be popular I think
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[09:20] tc444: i have a module that i run in several different environments. is there a recommended way for detecting if it's running in node? right now i'm using if(module && module.exports) module.exports = MYFUNCTION;
[09:20] Tobsn: btw. did anyone ever thought about rebuilding what FB does with bigpipe?
[09:21] Tobsn: tc444, i guess its windows vs. module
[09:21] Tobsn: erm window
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[09:22] NuckingFuts: What's the rate limit on beers?
[09:22] u4ea: lets find out
[09:22] NuckingFuts: v8bot++
[09:22] v8bot:  NuckingFuts has given a beer to v8bot. v8bot now has 30 beers.
[09:22] NuckingFuts: u4ea: beer it :P
[09:23] u4ea: u4ea: I drank them all myself :/
[09:23] Tobsn: oh jesus
[09:23] NuckingFuts: We'll see how many people it takes before it gets drunk
[09:23] NuckingFuts: v8bot++
[09:23] v8bot:  v8bot is getting too many beers.  Don't let v8bot get drunk!
[09:23] systemfault: v8bot++
[09:23] v8bot:  v8bot is getting too many beers.  Don't let v8bot get drunk!
[09:23] NuckingFuts: lawl
[09:23] NuckingFuts: 30 beers
[09:23] Tobsn: time machine channel reached its destination. its 1998. *pling
[09:23] NuckingFuts: Hardcore liquor, man
[09:23] NuckingFuts: Who knew v8bot could hold his booze?
[09:23] u4ea: Tobsn: don't be bogus, dude
[09:24] NuckingFuts: `v beers v8bot
[09:24] v8bot: NuckingFuts: v8bot has 30 beers.
[09:24] NuckingFuts: 
ACTION claps

[09:25] NuckingFuts: 
ACTION waits for v8bot to sover up

[09:25] NuckingFuts: *sober
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[09:26] _beau: !insult v8bot
[09:26] Calvin: v8bot IS a hollaback girl
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[09:32] NuckingFuts: oh lol v8bot is open-source
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[09:40] Skola: !insult Calvin
[09:40] Skola: : [
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[09:46] mscdex: Calvin: skola wants to insult you
[09:46] Calvin: insult Calvin
[09:46] mscdex: Calvin: skola
[09:46] Calvin: skola _, i ave an 
[09:47] mscdex: heh
[09:47] mscdex: Calvin: where is kohai?
[09:47] Calvin: where this will be incredibly kohai
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[09:49] mscdex: Calvin: node.js rules
[09:49] Calvin: nodejs makes it hard to explain, but its gonna be epic rules
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[09:51] mscdex: Calvin: have you seen Hobbes?
[09:51] Calvin: Hobbes have
[09:53] _beau: Calvin: whats up?
[09:53] Calvin: whats up
[09:53] _beau: Calvin: _beau
[09:53] Calvin: beau sorensen
[09:53] _beau: ahahha
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[10:12] Skola: Calvin Y U NO like me?
[10:12] Calvin: like python for NO
[10:14] Skola: Calvin Calvin Calvin
[10:14] _beau: oh Calvin
[10:14] Calvin: oh HAH I just noticed 
[10:14] _beau: !insult Calvin
[10:14] _beau: !insult Yo momma
[10:14] Calvin: Yo momma thought giving Voyager Batmobile armour was a good idea
[10:15] _beau: !insult Yo momma
[10:15] Calvin: Yo momma likes Dr_Dace more than Dr_Dave
[10:15] _beau: !insult Yo momma
[10:15] Calvin: Yo momma ? More like Lord Fail!
[10:15] _beau: !insult Yo momma
[10:15] Calvin: Yo momma likes BSG
[10:15] _beau: !insult Yo momma
[10:15] Calvin: Yo momma is a dirty goat herder who's scruffy looking
[10:15] _beau: !insult Yo momma
[10:15] Calvin: Yo momma is dogist
[10:15] _beau: !insult Yo momma
[10:15] Calvin: Yo momma is James Corden's name out of context
[10:15] _beau: !insult Yo momma
[10:15] Calvin: Yo momma does not delete their internet history after viewing monkey porn
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[10:15] _beau: looool
[10:15] Skola: hahahaha
[10:16] mscdex: Calvin: yo momma
[10:16] Calvin: momma jokes actually make me feel more comfortable
[10:16] mscdex: orly
[10:16] _beau: lol?
[10:16] Skola: !insult Yo momma
[10:16] Calvin: Yo momma is a n00b
[10:16] tim_smart: That's not what she said
[10:17] mscdex: Calvin: that's not what she said
[10:17] Calvin: that's exactly what 's going to be messy and big
[10:17] mscdex: Calvin: that's what she said
[10:17] Calvin: that's why I 'm not sure what you mean something like sammy
[10:19] _beau: Calvin: mscdex
[10:19] Calvin: mscdex , what do you know how to setup a httpServer object to the prototype, in bit 
[10:19] mscdex: Calvin: _beau
[10:19] Calvin: beau has given a beer to a channel and do thing 
[10:20] mscdex: is this true?
[10:20] _beau: no idea
[10:20] _beau: lol
[10:20] _beau: and do thing?
[10:20] _beau: Calvin: _beau
[10:20] Calvin: beau has given a beer to a channel and do thing 
[10:20] Skola: Calvin sounds a bit psychotic at times
[10:20] Calvin: psychotic at times , you can use whatever technology you want, do you use push or something then
[10:20] _beau: Calvin: _beau
[10:20] Calvin: beau was added 
[10:21] mscdex: calvin is a creepy internet stalker
[10:21] Calvin: internet lottery
[10:21] _beau: Calvin: _beau
[10:21] Calvin: beau has given a beer to a page from express lol 
[10:21] _beau: hahaha
[10:21] mscdex: Calvin: tim_smart
[10:21] Calvin: timsmart 
[10:21] mscdex: Calvin: tim_smart
[10:21] Calvin: timsmart 
[10:21] mscdex: hah
[10:21] FIQ|n900: Calvin: _
[10:21] Calvin:  
[10:22] mscdex: Calvin: fiq
[10:22] Calvin: fiq 
[10:22] Skola: Does Calvin also do JS?
[10:22] Calvin: Does async stuf also
[10:22] mscdex: i took out my n810 the other day and dusted it off
[10:22] mscdex: heh
[10:22] Skola: Calvin Skola
[10:22] Calvin: Skola , yeah not a function
[10:22] FIQ|n900: Heh
[10:22] Skola: the bots in #haskell are nice
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[10:23] mscdex: i installed diablo turbo and put it back in the drawer
[10:23] mscdex: :P
[10:23] JoseCabo: Good morning!!
[10:23] Skola: Ole Jose
[10:23] JoseCabo: Ole Skola!
[10:23] JoseCabo: Hola Skola 
[10:23] Skola: : D
[10:23] mscdex: Calvin: josecabo
[10:23] Calvin: josecabo , haha, ok
[10:24] Skola: Calvin xDDDD
[10:24] Calvin: xDDDD 
[10:24] Skola: Calvin is Spanish too
[10:24] Calvin: Spanish with all the logs say it's the same process if you use push or too
[10:24] _beau: interesting
[10:24] mscdex: calvin only knows lolspeak
[10:24] Calvin: lolspeak knows
[10:24] _beau: Khan is on colbert report
[10:24] _beau: from khan academy
[10:24] Skola: interview?
[10:24] mscdex: not Khan from star trek?
[10:25] Skola: not Genghis!!?!
[10:25] _beau: i already forgot his first name
[10:25] JoseCabo: Calvin, hola Calvin!
[10:25] Calvin: hola Skola
[10:25] Skola: lol
[10:25] mscdex: Calvin: the wrath of khan
[10:25] Calvin: wrath of khan khan
[10:25] _beau: yes, interview
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[10:25] mscdex: Calvin: ringojs
[10:25] Calvin: ringojs is still there
[10:25] mscdex: ^ unfortunately
[10:25] mscdex: :-D
[10:26] _beau: Calvin: backbone.js
[10:26] Calvin: backbonejs 
[10:26] _beau: Calvin: backbonjs
[10:26] Calvin: backbonjs 
[10:26] _beau: err
[10:26] _beau: Calvin: backbonejs
[10:26] Calvin: backbonejs 
[10:26] mscdex: calvin: backbone
[10:26] Calvin: backbone and RestDAtaStores with dojo 
[10:26] _beau: lol nothin
[10:26] Skola: Calvin lulz
[10:26] Calvin: lulz , lelz, 
[10:26] mscdex: lelz!
[10:26] Skola: hah, c'est moi
[10:26] Skola: could have known
[10:26] _beau: Calvin: jquery
[10:26] Calvin: jquery Deferreds, which I recently switched to vim
[10:26] mscdex: Calvin: ruby sucks
[10:26] Calvin: sucks except for a wafadmin folder
[10:26] Skola: lol
[10:26] mscdex: hah
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[10:27] JoseCabo: Calvin, _beau : mootools
[10:27] Calvin: mootools , dojo, in dojo beau
[10:27] Skola: Calvin haskell
[10:27] Calvin: haskell are nice 
[10:27] JoseCabo: I loooooooove mootools
[10:27] JoseCabo: haskell??????????'
[10:27] mscdex: Calvin like bovinetools
[10:27] Calvin: bovinetools like
[10:28] mscdex: Calvin likes bovinetools
[10:28] Calvin: bovinetools likes
[10:28] _beau: !insult Yo momma
[10:28] Calvin: Yo momma is a single trouser leg
[10:28] JoseCabo: WHAT?
[10:28] JoseCabo: what languages are you using?? xD
[10:28] mscdex: haha what? single trouser leg?
[10:28] mscdex: i bet that insult works well
[10:28] Skola: Calvin's a schizo
[10:28] Calvin: Calvin's a schizo schizo
[10:29] Skola: hahaha
[10:29] _beau: oh how interesting
[10:29] Skola: so true
[10:29] _beau: i just got my first interactive advertisement on Hulu
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[10:29] Skola: what for?
[10:29] _beau: washington lottery
[10:30] mscdex: i always click "no" for those ads, because no ads are relevant to me
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[10:30] _beau: i think its better to say nothing
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[10:31] _beau: and not provide any data
[10:31] mscdex: most times the ads don't load for me because i have the ads blocked
[10:31] Skola: hate the ads on blogs these day that open in an "in_window" pop-up
[10:31] mscdex: it beats watching something about home depot
[10:31] Skola: blocking all content
[10:32] Skola: Calvin ads
[10:32] Calvin: ads , because for single words its okay because you can do it without moving it to be
[10:32] mscdex: i just don't go to those sites
[10:32] Skola: me neither if possible
[10:32] Skola: but lots of junk floats to top @ HN recently
[10:33] mscdex: oh, i don't even go to HN
[10:33] Skola: it has some cute articles once in a while
[10:33] _beau: it seems to be all apple and bitcoin anymore
[10:33] mscdex: applecoin
[10:34] Skola: dislike the "I-don't-care-what-my-app-does-just-make-me-rich" crowd
[10:34] _beau: yes
[10:34] mscdex: i wonder how many bitcoins calvin has
[10:34] Calvin: bitcoins to hit it thousands of times per minute and want to keep an eye wonder
[10:34] Skola: and related "here's how I made epic win"
[10:35] Skola: thinking is rare
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[10:36] _beau: yeah it makes me wonder what the audience is now
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[10:36] _beau: since they are all upvoted by the users
[10:36] _beau: =\
[10:36] _beau: last cool thing i saw was the hoverbike, and http://rpgjs.com
[10:36] _beau: which the RPG got 1 upvote
[10:36] Skola: well, 99% of HN users are lurkers
[10:37] Skola: so it's hard to judge
[10:37] _beau: its dissapointing most days
[10:37] _beau: but i still look daily
[10:38] Skola: anon/bitcoin/censorship/apple/google/facebook/MS/"CLOUD" get's boring real fast
[10:39] _beau: yeah where the hell is the 'hacker' shit
[10:39] mscdex: in here!
[10:39] _beau: hehe
[10:39] Skola: on github/irc
[10:40] alloc: get some prada!
[10:40] Skola: hackernews is much more about entrepeneurship
[10:40] alloc: luis vitton, and some clothing stuff!
[10:40] mscdex: there's also hackaday.com
[10:40] alloc: word hack is going be more ordinary than 'social'
[10:40] _beau: the magnetic bubbles at the end of the galaxy was cool
[10:41] Skola: yeah
[10:41] _beau: i lurk HN for actual hack type things
[10:41] Skola: I guess democracy doesn't lead to good content, for long
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[10:41] _beau: and comments about pros/cons of such thing
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[10:42] Skola: yeah, I go to HN for talk on code and making things
[10:42] _beau: its how i found backbone.js
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[10:47] _beau: any difference between attatching an object to the window vs. document
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[11:27] tmedema: what's the topic about?
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[11:30] Skola: an invitation most likely
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[11:40] level09: my server crashed with " Socket is not writable" error 
[11:41] level09: what does that mean ?
[11:45] xerox: the socket wasn't writable
[11:45] coreb: probably the client quit or something
[11:45] stride: presumably you didn't check the .writable property of the writablestream you're using
[11:51] level09: i think it has to do with socket.io implementation
[11:52] level09: I also get this occasionally warning: possible EventEmitter memory  leak detected. 11 listeners added. Use emitter.setMaxListeners() to increase limit.
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[12:27] madsleejensen: How would you store application configuration values, so that it is accessible from all your modules? Create a configuration module? store values directly in the global ? pass configurations manually into modules with dependency injections?
[12:29] Ezku\: madsleejensen: in my last project I used module.exports = (dependencies) -> ...
[12:32] madsleejensen: Ezku\ could you share a snippet please ? :)
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[12:34] Ezku\: madsleejensen: that's it right there.
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[12:35] madsleejensen: Ezku\ i dont see the picture, in your custom module you export the dependencies? 
[12:37] Ezku\: no, you accept a set of dependencies and then use that code via require(module)(dependencies)
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[12:40] madsleejensen: Ezku\ i see, what would the benefit be from this approach than just loading the dependencies with "require" at the top of the custom module?
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[12:41] stride: madsleejensen: just in case you happen to be using express for a web-project, it has setting management built in
[12:41] stride: it's neat because it enables separation of dev vs. production settings
[12:41] madsleejensen: stride: ah cool im gonna have a look at their implementation!
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[12:51] Swizec: hey guys
[12:51] Swizec: I just launched a cool project in node.js
[12:51] Swizec: if anyone's on hackernews I'd appreciate an upvote :) http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2646383
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[12:52] chjj: i love it when i hear my disk spinning for no apparent reason
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[12:53] Skola: Swizec why does this app need access to my Direct messages?
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[12:53] Swizec: Skola it does? thought I clicked it just needed basic read access
[12:54] Skola: Authorize GithubFriends to use your account?
[12:54] Skola: GithubFriends
[12:54] Skola: githubfriends.swizec.com
[12:54] Skola: Helps you find friends on github.
[12:54] Skola: Cancel, and return to app
[12:54] Skola: This application will be able to:
[12:54] Skola: Read Tweets from your timeline.
[12:54] Skola: See who you follow.
[12:54] Skola: Access your direct messages until June 30th, 2011.
[12:54] Skola: it's not that I give a f#ck about anyone reading my twitter messages, but I'm curious why it needs access to them
[12:55] Swizec: Skola nope, access type is just "read only"
[12:55] Swizec: maybe the library I'm using automatically adds the full access request ...
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[12:57] mscdex: chjj: maybe you're using virtual memory
[12:58] Skola: Swizec Y U NO test things like that
[12:58] mscdex: Calvin: twitter
[12:58] Calvin: twitter bots from 
[12:58] Swizec: Skola didn't even occur to me to be honest
[12:58] Swizec: lesson learned I guess
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[12:58] mscdex: Calvin: skola
[12:58] Calvin: skola _, i ind that 
[12:59] Skola: Calvin mscdex
[12:59] Calvin: mscdex is a nice mvc framework that makes serving pages much nicer
[12:59] mscdex: :)
[12:59] Skola: oh IC
[12:59] mscdex: Calvin: lolcats
[12:59] Calvin: lolcats 
[12:59] mscdex: Calvin: lolcat
[12:59] Calvin: lolcat 
[12:59] mscdex: :O
[12:59] Skola: Calvin lol, a cat
[12:59] Calvin: lol ryah
[13:00] Skola: ..
[13:00] Calvin: 14undefined
[13:00] mscdex: we need more discussion about lolcats
[13:00] Skola: .. 1 + 1
[13:00] Calvin: 132
[13:00] Skola: ahhhh
[13:00] Skola: yeah agreed
[13:00] mscdex: .. while(true);
[13:00] Calvin: Error: Timeout
[13:00] mscdex: :-D
[13:00] Skola: .. _
[13:00] Calvin: ReferenceError: _ is not defined
[13:00] Skola: : [
[13:00] mscdex: .. process
[13:00] Calvin: ReferenceError: process is not defined
[13:00] mscdex: .. Calvin
[13:00] Calvin: ReferenceError: Calvin is not defined
[13:00] Calvin:  
[13:00] Skola: .. this
[13:00] Calvin: TypeError: Cannot call method 'toString' of undefined
[13:01] mscdex: .. require
[13:01] Calvin: ReferenceError: require is not defined
[13:01] mscdex: .. calvin
[13:01] Calvin: ReferenceError: calvin is not defined
[13:01] Calvin:  
[13:01] mscdex: calvin .. calvin
[13:01] Calvin:  
[13:01] Skola: .. console.log('')
[13:01] Calvin: 03''
[13:01] Calvin: 14undefined
[13:01] mscdex: Calvin: show me tweets with the nodejs hashtag already, jeez
[13:02] Calvin: hashtag already, jeez already
[13:02] mscdex: hah
[13:02] Skola: .. console.log(dir)
[13:02] Calvin: ReferenceError: dir is not defined
[13:02] Skola: .. console.dir(this)
[13:02] Calvin: TypeError: Object [object Object] has no method 'dir'
[13:02] mscdex: .. console
[13:02] Calvin: { log: [Function] }
[13:02] Skola: :[]
[13:02] mscdex: .. calvis + kohai
[13:02] Calvin: ReferenceError: calvis is not defined
[13:02] mscdex: .. calvin + kohai
[13:02] Calvin: ReferenceError: calvin is not defined
[13:02] Calvin: kohai , you ll type 
[13:03] Skola: .. kohai
[13:03] Calvin: ReferenceError: kohai is not defined
[13:03] Skola: .. console.log(this)
[13:03] Calvin: TypeError: Cannot call method 'toString' of undefined
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[13:04] mscdex: .. for(var i=0;i<100000;++i) console.log('lol')
[13:04] Calvin: 03'lol'
[13:04] Calvin: 03'lol'
[13:04] Calvin: 03'lol'
[13:04] Calvin: 03'lol'
[13:04] Calvin: 03'lol'
[13:04] Calvin: 03'lol'
[13:04] Calvin: 03'lol'
[13:04] Calvin: 03'lol'
[13:04] Calvin: 03'lol'
[13:04] Calvin: 03'lol'
[13:04] Calvin: 03'lol'
[13:04] mscdex: lol
[13:04] mscdex: oops
[13:04] mscdex: :-D
[13:04] Skola: hahaha
[13:04] mscdex: i thought surely since they implemented the while(true); timeout thing.....
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[13:07] Skola: why doesn't it autoconnect though
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[13:09] mscdex: huh?
[13:09] Skola: auto-reconnect
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[13:09] mscdex: what doesn't?
[13:09] Skola: you know, when it gets booted off freenode
[13:09] Skola: Our beloved Calvin
[13:09] mscdex: ohh
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[13:09] mscdex: i don't know, i'm not sure who owns it
[13:10] mscdex: i guess it just needs a little more cowbell
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[13:11] Skola: a whole lot of it
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[13:13] fille: hello
[13:13] Skola: hello, do you have some cowbell for me?
[13:14] fille12: cowbell?
[13:14] Skola: yeah
[13:14] Skola: a lot of cowbell
[13:14] fille12: just have birds outside my window. 
[13:14] fille12: feels im in a fuckung djungel
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[13:14] Skola: no cowbell in the jungle?
[13:15] level09: when XHR-multipart request is interrupted , it sends out a weird number
[13:15] fille12: just allot of  birdsong
[13:15] mscdex: maybe you are in a jungle
[13:15] level09: how do I handle that
[13:15] mscdex: any bird rap?
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[13:16] Skola: plenty
[13:16] Skola: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkGPKSHpHeQ
[13:16] mscdex: sorry, but that guy isn't a bird
[13:16] fille12: hehehe
[13:16] Skola: no but he has nice teeth
[13:16] Skola: though no cowbell, so nvm
[13:17] fille12: no but its a serius problem in the neigbourhood 
[13:17] Skola: the lack of cowbell?
[13:17] Skola: can imagine
[13:17] fille12: cowbell :D
[13:17] fille12: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2v5lzQRbMM
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[13:18] fille12: for the love of god, youtube is filled with remixes..
[13:18] Skola: yeah ;/
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[13:18] fille12: im here because of a express.js and a css problem
[13:18] mscdex: i wonder which mcfly that is
[13:18] mscdex: marty?
[13:19] mscdex: george?
[13:19] Skola: fille12, Christopher Walker would know what to do
[13:19] Skola: but what's the problem?
[13:19] mscdex: walker?!
[13:19] mscdex: :O
[13:19] Skola: yaya n
[13:19] fille12: http://www.mynodejs.com:9000/
[13:19] fille12: will not be reded
[13:19] Skola: I like the content
[13:19] mscdex: node.js blog!
[13:20] Skola: how do you serve your css?
[13:20] stride: you're not closing your link tag
[13:20] Skola: lol
[13:20] stride: hm. that's not it. meh
[13:20] Skola: and don't CapCase your attributes
[13:21] fille12: im sure its the mime type
[13:21] Skola: fille12 show me your app.configure section
[13:21] Skola: and I'll pretend I know what I'm talking about
[13:21] fille12: http://www.mindgamemedia.se/
[13:21] fille12: here is the code
[13:21] fille12: its in swedish 
[13:21] fille12: i wrote ite
[13:21] fille12: but the code is in node.js
[13:22] fille12: dont mind the error, i fixed it
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[13:22] stride: it's link rel stylesheet, not link ref stylesheet
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[13:22] mscdex: yeah
[13:23] mscdex: just about to say that :)
[13:23] Skola: correct
[13:23] stride: I charlie sheen'd!
[13:23] Skola: http://validator.w3.org/ for regular cowbell
[13:23] fille12: blush
[13:24] Skola: shit happens
[13:24] fille12: wow it worked
[13:24] Skola: yes, now your blog is red
[13:24] stride: looks texan
[13:24] tuhoojabotti: http://dev.tuhoojabotti.com/ my blorg is black
[13:25] mscdex: red blogs!
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[13:25] stride: my blarg is run on php. somebody port wordpress to node
[13:25] mscdex: stride: do it.
[13:25] fille12: Laug
[13:25] Skola: I wrote my own uberCMS
[13:25] mscdex: nodepress
[13:25] tuhoojabotti: Skola: I also write my own CMD.-
[13:25] fille12: wordpress is the worst shit ever, but google loves it
[13:25] tuhoojabotti: CMS*
[13:26] Skola: the entire CMS + blog is 1000 loc
[13:26] stride: mscdex: even if I had time, that wouldn't give me the plugin / themes / unicorn ecosystem available to wordpress 
[13:26] Skola: includes stylesheets and jade templates
[13:26] mscdex: stride: gotta start somewhere!
[13:26] Skola: do I get a cookie?
[13:26] stride: tuhoojabotti: your blog is inaccessible to me
[13:26] tuhoojabotti: Skola: I use dust
[13:26] tuhoojabotti: stride: Why is that?
[13:26] fille12: its take 10 min for my new blog post that will be on google
[13:26] tuhoojabotti: damn
[13:27] Skola: dust? what's that
[13:27] stride: no idea, "Waiting for dev.tuhoojabotti.com"
[13:27] tuhoojabotti: Someone crashed it ;D
[13:27] fille12: http://www.mynodejs.com:9000/client
[13:27] mscdex: fakewaffle is writing a "cakephp for node"
[13:27] Skola: yes same for me, doesn't loaaad
[13:27] fille12: u can all follow the heapUsed
[13:27] tuhoojabotti: i don't know why it sometimes crashes
[13:27] tuhoojabotti: or well
[13:27] tuhoojabotti: becomes unresponsive
[13:27] Skola: testtesttest
[13:27] Skola: Service Temporarily Unavailable
[13:27] Skola: The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.
[13:27] Skola: Apache/2.2 Server at dev.tuhoojabotti.com Port 80
[13:27] Skola: :[
[13:27] tuhoojabotti: I kill'd it
[13:27] stride: that canvas heap graph is neat
[13:27] mscdex: apache!
[13:28] tuhoojabotti: using htaccess proxy :D
[13:28] stride: 
ACTION grabs a torch

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[13:28] fille12: i threw apache out
[13:28] tuhoojabotti: it's back on
[13:28] mscdex: get rid of that apache!
[13:28] Skola: it worx
[13:28] mscdex: nothing but trouble!
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[13:28] fille12: http://www.mindgamemedia.se/webbprogrammering/deployment-med-node-js-med-php-vps/
[13:28] tuhoojabotti: I'm lazy
[13:28] mscdex: :O
[13:28] fille12: its in swedish but the code is in node.js
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[13:28] Skola: my blog @ http://localhost
[13:28] mscdex: the only swedish i know is swedish fish
[13:29] fille12: lol
[13:29] tuhoojabotti: nom nom
[13:29] Skola: I'm pushing it onto my no.de machine this week :[]
[13:29] Skola: “Welcome to the land of destruction!“
[13:29] stride: tuhoojabotti: wtf is "K-Pop"?
[13:29] Skola: can't tell you're Finnish
[13:30] tuhoojabotti: stride: I guess if you don't know you don't want to.
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[13:30] stride: hmkay, point taken :)
[13:30] tuhoojabotti: stride: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGbwL8kSpEk
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[13:30] fille12: strider
[13:30] Skola: a Korea-pop
[13:30] tuhoojabotti: yup
[13:30] Skola: amIrite
[13:30] Skola: I had a gf that liked J-pop
[13:31] Skola: that didnt last long
[13:31] fille12: omg
[13:31] tuhoojabotti: :P
[13:31] Skola: DEAR LORD
[13:31] fille12: welcomde to the land of destruction
[13:31] tuhoojabotti: fille12: It's still missing dynamic slogans like the main site
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[13:33] fille12: just wondering how do i use more then one template in express.js
[13:33] fille12: its just looking for index.jade or layout.jade
[13:33] tuhoojabotti: I use dust
[13:33] Skola: well you need to set up routes
[13:33] tuhoojabotti: http://akdubya.github.com/dustjs/
[13:34] stride: fille12: express comes with some examples for multiple templates. the MVC example is pretty straightforward
[13:34] fille12: stride will look into it then
[13:35] Skola: also check out express-resource model
[13:35] Skola: module*
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[13:44] fille12: okej
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[14:03] CIA-1: node: 03unknown 07master * r563469c 10/ (src/node_child_process_win32.cc src/node_stdio_win32.cc): Compensate for uv_async_init api change - http://bit.ly/lCoBOs
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[14:07] fille12: will node be avaliable fr windows
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[14:15] davidbanham: fille12: Yes.
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[14:30] JoseCabo: I wanna feeeeeeeeeeeel to youuuu nanineninoninooo tarinooo.... (8)
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[14:32] fille12: so porting node.js to windows will give it a more comercial status
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[14:35] Madonnaboy: yo
[14:35] tuhoojabotti: JoseCabo: Mornin'
[14:35] Madonnaboy: what up hammerz
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[16:28] JoseCabo: tuhoojabotti, morning!
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[16:29] JoseCabo: good afternon tmpvar 
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[16:37] kbni: greetings, I was just curious, how expensive is it for setTimeout events to exist?
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[16:46] xerox: kbni: one would guess not much! but I don't know : )
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[17:22] tmpvar: JoseCabo, hello
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[17:30] tmedema: Is it possible to set the process priority of a child process when using require('child_process').spawn ?
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[17:39] tjholowaychuk: 
ACTION is in SFO

[17:40] coleGillespie: sfo?
[17:40] coleGillespie: (sorry bad at 1337 speak acronyms)
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[17:41] tjholowaychuk: san francisco
[17:41] tjholowaychuk: :p
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[17:41] coleGillespie: tjholowaychuk: you are from cn right?
[17:41] tjholowaychuk: yeah im from vancouver island
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[17:42] coleGillespie: have you seen the nodeJs cms calipso?
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[17:43] coleGillespie: we used some of your code in it. very nice work man =)
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[17:43] tjholowaychuk: I haven't seen the code itself
[17:44] tjholowaychuk: but i remember seeing the project
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[17:45] coleGillespie: tjholowaychuk: it is still in very early stages of development. we are working on really refactoring it right now. i have alot of experience creating powerful custom cms's i think when it is done it is going to be the first real powerful easy to use cms for node
[17:45] coleGillespie: i am getting really excited about the direction it is heading
[17:45] tjholowaychuk: cool man
[17:45] coleGillespie: but i just wanted to say hello and introduce myself. also wanted to say your code inspired me. thanks
[17:46] coleGillespie: @theCole on twitter
[17:46] tjholowaychuk: I actually came to node originally when I was half way through creating my ruby sinatra cms "evo"
[17:46] tjholowaychuk: but I never ended up porting it
[17:46] tjholowaychuk: haha
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[17:47] coleGillespie: i have been working with a content management company http://www.thirdpartylabs.com and we have created cms's for some high profile clients and now I am working on porting out cms to node
[17:48] coleGillespie: starting with calipso and eventually moving away and creating it for clients so it is more custom to their needs
[17:49] coleGillespie: how long are you in sfo?
[17:50] tjholowaychuk: only 7 days
[17:52] gsmcwhirter: anyone have experience w/ cluster?
[17:52] gsmcwhirter: (probably a stupid question)
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[17:53] addisonj_: the guy just above you wrote a lot if it
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[17:54] quackquack: :P if it is a major node.js library, tj probably wrote it
[17:54] addisonj_: or all of it? somewhere in there
[17:54] tjholowaychuk: addisonj_ yeah all of it
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[17:54] addisonj_: figures
[17:54] addisonj_: 
ACTION plans to one day figure out how to borrow some of tj's talent

[17:54] tjholowaychuk: gsmcwhirter what's up?
[17:55] tjholowaychuk: hahaha
[17:55] gsmcwhirter: ah, great. so i used to be using spark2 and had it plugged into an upstart script to start/stop/restart. is that possible w/ cluster or not recommended?
[17:55] tjholowaychuk: gsmcwhirter http://learnboost.github.com/cluster/docs/cli.html is probably the plugin you are looking for
[17:55] tjholowaychuk: by default cluster has no cli
[17:56] gsmcwhirter: tjholowaychuk, yeah, i saw that. what i liked w/ using upstart was easily plugging it into something like monit. i guess I can reconsider how i do that instead of forcing cluster into upstart though
[17:57] quackquack: tjholowaychuk, what directory structure do you use/recommend for complex web apps? (using expressjs)
[17:57] addisonj_: quackquack, express-namespace and express-resource help with that
[17:58] quackquack: ah, thank you. ive seen the resource one, but not express-namespace
[18:00] tjholowaychuk: quackquack i use pretty typical stuff, nothing fancy really, LearnBoost just breaks the routes into logical files so we have {teacher,student,common,parent}.js etc
[18:01] tjholowaychuk: and break those into smaller files as we grow
[18:01] quackquack: so those are like controllers, and they are all loaded by the app.js file?
[18:02] masylum_: good thing about express is that you can structure your code as you want
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[18:02] quackquack: yeah, im still getting the hang of it. i am new to express and node
[18:02] quackquack: coming from rails
[18:03] addisonj_: copying rails default structure is not a bad thing to do... MVC is pretty readable
[18:03] tjholowaychuk: quackquack kinda yeah, they are still defined as regular express routes
[18:03] tjholowaychuk: instead of controller-style like rails or something
[18:04] quackquack: so more sinatra like, combining controller+routes
[18:04] tjholowaychuk: yup. i know people dont like typing app.get('/teacher/:id/blah/bah', fn) all the time
[18:04] tjholowaychuk: but at the end of the day
[18:04] tjholowaychuk: that makes it extremely easy to hunt down a route
[18:04] tjholowaychuk: even though slightly more verbose, it's very explicit
[18:04] tjholowaychuk: which i like
[18:05] tjholowaychuk: but yeah express-{namespace,resource} for people who like that sort of thing
[18:05] quackquack: true
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[18:05] tjholowaychuk: nothing annoys me more than trying to find a route lol
[18:05] quackquack: im excited about building an app with express :)
[18:05] tjholowaychuk: if i do GET /foo/bar/baz in the browser i want to search /foo/bar/baz in my editor
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[18:06] quackquack: yeah, ive had some problems w/ rails routes in the past
[18:06] quackquack: having to `rake routes` just to figure it out gets old. rake is so SLOW
[18:06] tjholowaychuk: haha yeah even people with express-resource have issues already
[18:06] tjholowaychuk: trying to figure out how things map
[18:06] tjholowaychuk: since it's not so explicit.
[18:06] tjholowaychuk: rake sucks
[18:06] tjholowaychuk: make
[18:06] tjholowaychuk: ftw
[18:06] quackquack: agreed, rake has an unexplainably massive startup time
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[18:07] addisonj_: nothing written in ruby has ever been a speed daemon ;)
[18:08] quackquack: yes, but rake is in a class of it's own of slowness
[18:08] masylum_: wtf, jsconfeu tickets already sold out?
[18:08] masylum_: why can I assist to any conference?
[18:08] quackquack: for deploying node apps, is nginx used mostly?
[18:08] tjholowaychuk: internet in this hotel sucksssSSS
[18:09] addisonj_: hrm, so with mongoose, is there anyway to have a Schema.pre('save' method that will cancel the save other than an error? I am trying to collate some documents together
[18:09] kbni: does anyone here use jade?
[18:09] tjholowaychuk: ME ME ME
[18:09] addisonj_: heh, man tj, what would this community do without you...
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[18:09] quackquack: it wouldnt exist probably
[18:10] kbni: for some reason j(template_file, {locals:{use_css:'blue'}}, cb..) is not replacing {use_css} in the output
[18:10] quackquack: i almost said we would use HAML, but he ported that, too
[18:10] kbni: I've obviously done something horribly wrong, but what? :S
[18:10] tjholowaychuk: kbni hmm
[18:10] tjholowaychuk: kbni jade directly?
[18:10] addisonj_: nothing wrong, tj wrote jade is all
[18:10] tjholowaychuk: jade.compile(stringOfJade)
[18:10] tjholowaychuk: will give you a function
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[18:10] tjholowaychuk: fn(locals)
[18:11] addisonj_: quackquack, it would still exists, there are lots of brilliant coders in this community, but it would probably not be as noobie friendle
[18:11] quackquack: i guess so
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[18:13] addisonj_: ack! so bored! my wife is out of town for the weekend so I thought I would use this time to get a lot of coding done, but nooope, no drive the last few days
[18:14] tjholowaychuk: haha i get that too
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[18:14] tjholowaychuk: im like oh awesome i have a whole day to code
[18:14] tjholowaychuk: but then you dont want to
[18:15] addisonj_: so instead i waste time in IRC
[18:16] kbni: tjholowaychuk: using compiled object does not change anything
[18:17] tjholowaychuk: kbni did you get rid of { locals: {} }?
[18:17] tjholowaychuk: jade.compile(string)({ foo: 'bar' })
[18:17] kbni: yes
[18:17] tjholowaychuk: hm
[18:17] kbni: I shall pastie
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[18:18] kbni: I'm certain I've simply done something retarded. http://pastie.org/2057499
[18:19] RVS: Hello. Anybody worked with Mongoose.js?
[18:19] tmedema: Is it possible to set the process priority of a child process when using require('child_process').spawn ?
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[18:20] kbni: tjholowaychuk: perhaps my jade is outdated :D
[18:21] tjholowaychuk: you're doing .call()
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[18:21] tjholowaychuk: which means you would use "this.use_css"
[18:21] addisonj_: tmedema, did you check the docs? there is an optional object you can pass in with options
[18:21] tjholowaychuk: just do template({ use_css: 'whatever' })
[18:21] kbni: I took out the .call
[18:22] kbni: same
[18:22] tmedema: addisonj_: I did yes, I'm afraid I cannot find such option
[18:22] addisonj_: RVS, yes, mongoose is pretty popular in here
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[18:22] gsmcwhirter: anyone know what req.connection.proxySecure is or how it gets set for requests (or if it has to be set manually)?
[18:22] kbni:     res.end(template_fn({use_css:'blue'}))
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[18:24] addisonj_: AHHH, I HATE sites that start with loud adds, I just jumped a foot in the air when visiting this site with a super loud ad
[18:25] kbni: tjholowaychuk: have you any ideas? :D
[18:25] tjholowaychuk: kbni that looks fine
[18:25] addisonj_: tmedema, you could just use nice to spawn the process with whatever priority you want
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[18:26] kbni: do you think calling jade directly from inside another module could be cuasing issues with it?
[18:26] tmedema: addisonj_: nice?
[18:26] addisonj_: man nice
[18:26] tjholowaychuk: kbni nope shouldnt
[18:26] tjholowaychuk: kbni https://github.com/visionmedia/jade/blob/master/lib/jade.js#L205-224
[18:27] RVS: addisonj, So, Mongoose is cool, but I can't perform a simple Atomic query. It always cause error Mod on _id is now allowed %) But I don't change id. My doc update query: { '$push': { 'votes.up': user_id }, '$inc': { 'votes.value': 1 }
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[18:27] tjholowaychuk: as long as you are passing locals to the returned function it should be fine
[18:27] kbni: when you say 'passing locals', what do you mean?
[18:28] tjholowaychuk: fn({ foo: 'bar' }) like you were doing
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[18:28] kbni: oh, I thought perhaps it required it to be declared in some scope or something
[18:28] vikstrous: anyone know how to do a text search in the db with a regex with mongoose?
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[18:29] tjholowaychuk: kbni jade does with (locals){ rest of template here } internally
[18:30] tjholowaychuk: which is what exposes them as pseudo globals
[18:30] addisonj_: RVS, mongoose tries to do away with a lot of the atomic queries, instead you should find your object, then for example "doc.push(new Vote({up: user_id, value: 1})); docs.save();
[18:30] kbni: hmn
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[18:30] u4ea: tjholowaychuk: just saw how DHH called you out today
[18:31] tjholowaychuk: hahahaha
[18:31] tjholowaychuk: yeah
[18:31] tjholowaychuk: that was funny
[18:31] kbni: tjholowaychuk: what version of jade are you using, may I ask?
[18:31] RVS: addisonj_ - hm, I try. Thank you!
[18:31] tjholowaychuk: kbni the most recent version
[18:31] tjholowaychuk: whatever that is
[18:31] tjholowaychuk: 0.12.0 or something
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[18:31] addisonj_: RVM, if you want to have more control with atomic and what not, node-mongodb-native is the basic bindings
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[18:31] u4ea: It is nice to know that DHH recognizes and embraces his target audience
[18:32] u4ea: now if, holy shit, we could get CTO's to see what he sees. 
[18:32] tjholowaychuk: i've never seen anything decent come from him
[18:33] tjholowaychuk: rails is junk
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[18:33] tjholowaychuk: specially the portions he wrote
[18:33] kbni: tjholowaychuk: jade -o '{locals:{use_css:"blue"}}' < template.jade <- this also fails for me :S
[18:33] insin: ice burn!
[18:33] tjholowaychuk: the community grew it ok i suppose but it still has huge nasty flaws
[18:33] u4ea: tjholowaychuk: dude, cmon man - they are using md5 instead of timestamps - thats huge
[18:33] u4ea: thats like.. obvious?
[18:34] tmedema: addisonj_: ah, something like "nice --adjustment=10 ffmpeg [args]", that would work I guess
[18:34] kbni: tjholowaychuk: perhaps my template is broken? http://pastie.org/2057561
[18:34] u4ea: tjholowaychuk: next we will hear you decry the mediocrity of jQuery?
[18:34] tjholowaychuk: u4ea jquery sucks too
[18:34] kbni: there's also renice :)
[18:34] u4ea: the unwashed masses and their mashed up bits of code
[18:34] tjholowaychuk: the only thing good about it
[18:34] tjholowaychuk: is that it is cross browser
[18:34] systemfault: jquery is very bad API-wise IMHO
[18:34] u4ea: not many libraries arent'
[18:35] tjholowaychuk: if it werent for that i would never use jquery
[18:35] tjholowaychuk: systemfault yeah i agree
[18:35] jetienne: how do you explain its overwhelming sucess then ?
[18:35] tjholowaychuk: some parts are fine
[18:35] RVS: rails is not junk. It's for diff - create fast and be slow, i gues =)
[18:35] systemfault: Their version of the "filter" function is... "grep" :/
[18:35] u4ea: err? Dojo, YUI3, MyLibrary!?
[18:35] systemfault: YUI3 is good
[18:35] systemfault: I use it at work.
[18:35] addisonj_: jquery gets the job done, but man it is ugly and quirky
[18:35] u4ea: nice, I sneaked it in at work, now finally, a year later - getting everyone on board
[18:36] systemfault: u4ea: You know the problem with those libs? They don't have the ecosystem jQuery has.
[18:36] tjholowaychuk: systemfault it's all very non-js-like, backwards params for each/map etc, awkward
[18:36] tjholowaychuk: the ajax api
[18:36] tjholowaychuk: is brutal
[18:36] systemfault: u4ea: I can write JS just fine but if a damn plugin already exists, I'll just check the src quickly and just use ut.
[18:36] systemfault: *it
[18:36] jetienne: stable api, well documented, those are super strong points for jquery
[18:36] systemfault: And jQuery being the most popular... there's TONS of plugins.
[18:37] insin: zillions of plugins mashed into the jQuery namespace regardless of suitability :/
[18:37] u4ea: systemfault: quality vs quantity etc? You are right though, you can find a plugin / example / snippet for just about anything - the problem is that you often have to spend longer time debugging it or vetting it than it would be to just write it
[18:37] systemfault: u4ea: I agree so I guess it's both an advantage and disadvantage
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[18:37] vladimir_: Hi. Can you please say with what arguments should I configure+build Node.js to get binaries in /usr/local/bin? (I am invoking node from Python using /bin/sh -c "node" and it looks that sh does not respect any modifications of $PATH I made in /etc/profile, bash.bashrc etc)
[18:37] u4ea: In our system we have a succession of abandonware plugins, from prototype to the husks of 3 different 'redboxes'
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[18:38] tjholowaychuk: and a lot of them are terrible
[18:38] tjholowaychuk: like drupal modules
[18:38] tjholowaychuk: 95% crap
[18:38] systemfault: Drupal is a CMS, it's "normal"
[18:39] systemfault: My conclusion is that CMS guys always suck at writing front-end code :/
[18:39] u4ea: its nice to have a 'vibrant community' but someone has to maintain them, and most people just write them to get the blog post, the social networking cred or are otherwise not inclined to maintain it for a succession of browsers and jquery versions going forwards
[18:39] systemfault: The JS/HTML/CSS is always terrible.
[18:39] addisonj_: Drupal (6 at least) is a twisted mess to start with, give the modules devs a break ;)
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[18:40] u4ea: I think that is probably true with many 'community contributed' plugins, but also a reason to consider relying frameworks that has extended functionality from the originating party
[18:40] u4ea: Like, I like backbone.js right
[18:41] systemfault: I just checked it quickly, looks fine.
[18:41] u4ea: its super nifty, but honestly for production I'll hold out for the yui3 'port' or whatnot
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[18:41] kbni: tjholowaychuk: what does this do for you? node -e "console.log(require('jade').compile('{use_css}')({use_css:'blue'}))"
[18:42] u4ea: who knows when those documentcloud guys will find more interesting careers in porn
[18:42] kbni: I am at a loss as to how I have broken my jade, heh :S
[18:43] tjholowaychuk: kbni {use_css}
[18:43] tjholowaychuk: is not jade
[18:43] tjholowaychuk: lol
[18:43] tjholowaychuk:  #{foo} is for interpolation
[18:43] tjholowaychuk: not {foo}
[18:43] kbni: w;aksdhkalsd'
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[18:44] kbni: fml
[18:44] kbni: kitty is looking at me "why you not read docs properly?"
[18:45] systemfault: 
ACTION thinks that kitteh rocks

[18:46] addisonj_: thats what makes cats rock, 
[18:46] kbni: kitty is pretty awesome
[18:46] kbni: I found him last week
[18:46] kbni: prepare for cuteness overload: http://imgur.com/a/UTv7E#drGj1
[18:47] u4ea: thats some crazy ear hair for a cat that looks to be that young
[18:48] u4ea: I think I may have lost one of my lovebirds today :|
[18:48] kbni: maybe because it is cold at the moment? he is 6 months old (or there abouts) according to mr. vet
[18:48] kbni: also, here is a shot of him distracting me from work with his cuteness: http://twitpic.com/59i75n
[18:49] kbni: aww, was it paired with another lovebird?
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[18:49] u4ea: just about to, still a juvenile
[18:50] xerox: kbni: A+ kitty
[18:50] u4ea: The older ones took it out flying, which has happened a few times, but today 'Lucky' didn't come back
[18:50] kbni: i know, I find it hard to believe anyone could just dump him
[18:50] u4ea: perhaps tomorrow
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[18:50] xerox: kbni: maybe he got lost?
[18:51] kbni: i thought about that, but he's not microchipped or desexed
[18:51] u4ea: maybe he killed his previous owners?
[18:51] xerox: ah, oh well, new friend :)
[18:51] kbni: I think he might be a christmas kitty that someone didnt want
[18:52] xerox: who, the worst child in the world?
[18:52] kbni: he is already litter trained, and is very personable, so I find it hard to believe someone isn't missing him
[18:52] u4ea: Vegetarian vietnamese
[18:52] kbni: xerox: maybe? some kids can be shits
[18:52] xerox: kids >.<
[18:52] kbni: he is only mildly annoying after he takes a dump, and expects you to remove it from the litter tray
[18:52] kbni: and even then his whining is so adorable
[18:53] xerox: could be a lot worse
[18:53] CIA-1: node: 03Bert Belder 07master * r2eb1274 10/ (src/node_child_process_win32.cc src/node_stdio_win32.cc): Compensate for uv_async_init api change - http://bit.ly/je6uMv
[18:54] kbni: if I dont see a listing for him in wednesday's paper I am definitely giving up on the owner searchand keeping him, or finding him a good home
[18:54] kbni: I am not sure how feasible it is for me to keep him because I am technically not allowed to have pets in my unit complex and he might scare the rats I already have heeh
[18:55] xerox: you could call him node if he hasn't got a name already
[18:55] kbni: tempting, but I already settled on Jonesy
[18:57] scoates: gf3: I just sent you a pull request to add SSL support to Jerk
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[19:02] jakeg: does anyone know how to find out the status of socket.io 0.7's release?
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[19:04] Lagnus: ?up
[19:04] Lagnus: werong channel
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[19:28] rauchg: jakeg
[19:28] rauchg: working on the new examples
[19:28] rauchg: both server and client area ready
[19:28] rauchg: you can check out the develop branches
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[19:41] MooGoo: asdasd
[19:42] shimondoodkin: MooGoo:howare you
[19:42] MooGoo: meh
[19:42] jakeg: rauchg i'm on the develop branch. but socket.io.js is reporting as being "Socket.IO 0.6.3 - Built with build.js" and generally doesn't seem to be working right :\
[19:42] shimondoodkin: yegha
[19:43] rauchg: nop
[19:43] rauchg: it should say
[19:43] rauchg: 0.7.0
[19:43] rauchg: strange
[19:43] jakeg: hmm
[19:43] rauchg: oH
[19:43] rauchg: no
[19:43] rauchg: uhm
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[19:43] rauchg: i didn't push it to npm btw yet
[19:43] jakeg: nah, i did a git clone of /develop
[19:44] zmbmartin: What is the best way to handle file names from upload so you don't have duplicates? timestamps?
[19:44] zmbmartin: what is the naming convention that connect-form uses?
[19:44] MooGoo: uid's of some sort probably
[19:44] MooGoo: or just a simple increment counter
[19:45] rauchg: jakeg
[19:45] DelvarWorld: moogoo: did you see in ryah's slides that he suggests using Function over eval
[19:45] rauchg: did you then npm install
[19:45] rauchg: to get the socket.io-client ?
[19:46] MooGoo: DelvarWorld hm?
[19:46] jakeg: no
[19:46] rauchg: there's a chance you have a cached socket.io-client
[19:46] rauchg: also
[19:46] DelvarWorld: moogoo: weren't you there for the new Function vs eval discussion a few nights ago
[19:46] MooGoo: it's possible, my memory is limited
[19:47] tc444: is there a log of that?
[19:47] MooGoo: shouldnt new function be better in the case where you need to run the evald code more than once?
[19:48] jakeg: rauchg: hmm, let me try a new git clone. maybe i got master by mistake :S
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[19:48] DelvarWorld: well here's what scared us: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Functions_and_function_scope "That is, the function body string passed to the Function constructor must be parsed every time it is evaluated."
[19:49] DelvarWorld: but hopefully that only applies to firefox's js engine
[19:49] MooGoo: eh
[19:49] MooGoo: I noticed that page awhile ago
[19:49] MooGoo: it's outdated bs
[19:49] MooGoo: it also says
[19:49] MooGoo: Because of this inefficiency, avoid closures whenever possible, i.e. avoid nesting functions whenever possible.
[19:49] jakeg: rauchg: bah, sorry. i am on master. could have sworn i took out develop
[19:50] tc444: MooGoo: you could wrap the source in (function(){ ... })() if using eval, no?
[19:50] MooGoo: would anyone take that line seriously
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[19:50] MooGoo: yea tc444 you could
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[19:50] MooGoo: node.js does something like that for loading modules
[19:51] MooGoo: thing with new Function is it doesnt inherit any scope except for global
[19:51] MooGoo: so I guess if you want that...
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[19:52] tc444: and eval does... interesting. i'll toy w/ that later
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[19:54] jakeg: rauchg: git clone https://github.com/LearnBoost/Socket.IO-node.git . && git checkout develop && npm install . <- woot!
[19:54] MooGoo: that mdc page also says at the bottom "This page has been flagged by editors or users as needing technical review. Until it is fully reviewed, it may contain inaccurate or incorrect information."
[19:54] MooGoo: I wouldnt worry about anything it says
[19:55] DelvarWorld: I worry about everything, always
[19:55] MooGoo: wasnt the world supposed to end by now?
[19:55] MooGoo: or is that still comming up
[19:56] jetienne: the world is ending since its begining, this is the trick
[19:56] jetienne: like you are dying since you are alive
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[19:56] DelvarWorld: http://hastherapturehappened.com/
[19:56] jetienne: this is the sunny side of life :)
[19:56] MooGoo: interesting page thar
[19:59] rauchg: jakeg
[19:59] rauchg: im pushing out a few final fixes for the client along with the example
[19:59] rauchg: and then it should be pretty solid
[20:00] rauchg: for you to develop on top of
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[20:02] jakeg: rauchg: well, we're just testing it now really anyway. not going live with anything til sept at earliest so a few bugs here and there won't hurt
[20:02] jakeg: absolutely amazing module though. 
[20:04] vikstrous: quick question for anyone who can answer: is [].forEach() synchronous or asynchronous? :/
[20:04] MooGoo: sync
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[20:05] bloodsucker: tmpvar, hi! :)
[20:05] vikstrous: yeah i thought it should be, but the syntax is like asynchronous functions
[20:05] MooGoo: callback functions dont nesecarily mean async
[20:05] vikstrous: okay
[20:06] bloodsucker: tmpvar, Do you have any idea with my problem with nide-ogl execution? :(
[20:07] MooGoo: foreach is basilcy this: Array.prototype.forEach = function(callback, this) { for (var i=0; i<this.length; i++) callback.call(this, this[i], i, this) };
[20:07] MooGoo: er
[20:07] MooGoo: well this wouldnt be this in the arguments list
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[20:08] stagas: don't name it callback, rather fn, or it's confusing
[20:09] kbni: this is interesting
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[20:09] kbni: how does node know when a function call is suppose to be async?
[20:10] stagas: kbni: if it involves i/o it's async by default
[20:10] stagas: kbni: or you can process.nextTick() it
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[20:10] stagas: all code is sync
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[20:42] niftylettuce: kitty litter doughnuts
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[20:46] niftylettuce: kbni: this will make ur cat sleepy http://goo.gl/lX2T7
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[21:02] bingomanatee: This is driving me nuts: git clone git://gist.github.com/1021979.git gist-1021979 - for some reason the model map_coords is ceasing to exist from one point to the other. 
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[21:33] iammerrick: https://github.com/visionmedia/finance
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[21:33] Guest46285: ?
[21:33] iammerrick: Anyone know of an existing example application that uses mongoose?
[21:33] iammerrick: Guest46285: sorry hit enter to soon on that :)
[21:34] Guest46285: grr irc wont let me change my nick
[21:34] iammerrick: Guest46285: Dangit luckily my client has auto-complete :)
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[22:46] aLfer: Can anyone recommend a good tutorial for learning node?
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[22:46] jmoyers: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2353818/how-do-i-get-started-with-nodejs
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[22:53] Chani: so I wrote a test script that takes a few commandline args.
[22:54] Chani: now I want to write a second test script that does more stuff, and invokes the first... what's the easiect way to approach that?
[22:55] Chani: I guess I have to alter the first to have a function that takes the args as well as being runnable on its own...
[22:55] Chani: not sure how to include it though. with require() ?
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[22:58] Chani: ooh, http://debuggable.com/posts/unit-testing-with-node-js:4b647d40-34e4-435a-a880-3b04cbdd56cb looks interesting
[22:59] tc444: Chani: ya if you just split out your functions into different files and use module.exports = YOURFUNC;
[22:59] tc444: it will work like a charm
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[23:02] Chani: module.exports?
[23:02] Chani: this site uses exports.whatever = ...
[23:02] jmoyers: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.8/api/modules.html
[23:02] jmoyers: you can use exports, as long as you don't try to overwrite the whole thing
[23:02] jmoyers: exports = function(){} // no workie
[23:02] jmoyers: module.exports = function(){} // am workie
[23:03] Chani: o.0
[23:03] tc444: https://github.com/tcrowe/template.js
[23:03] Chani: oh javascript...
[23:03] tc444: check out the first and last lines in template.js
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[23:03] jmoyers: its not javascript
[23:03] jmoyers: its node
[23:03] tc444: that's one way, then call it via require('myfile')
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[23:10] bloodsucker: tmpvar, hi. You have time now for explain you why is happening in my computer when exec node-ogl? (today i am in my home but the result is the same)
[23:10] bloodsucker: tmpvar, :P:P
[23:11] level09: can node server be attacked ? like DOS attacks for example ? or slow post ?
[23:11] burg: is there any event emitted when response.connection.destroyed becomes true on a http request?
[23:12] telemachus: level09: I would assume any server could be attacked
[23:12] level09: I had the the connection count jump from 5k to 9k within seconds today
[23:12] bloodsucker: level09, telemachus exactly.
[23:12] level09: but what are the ways to prevent that ?
[23:12] bloodsucker: level09, in fact node server is more fast than a apache but...
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[23:12] bloodsucker: prevent??
[23:12] jmoyers: how do you stop a DOS?
[23:12] bloodsucker: :S
[23:12] bloodsucker: xD
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[23:12] level09: null routing or something
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[23:12] jmoyers: thats an interesting question ;-)
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[23:13] level09: there are ways 
[23:13] level09: mod_security for apache
[23:13] jmoyers: mod_sec doesn't stop DOS
[23:13] jmoyers: you're still going to get overwhelmed, especially if its a good ddos
[23:13] jmoyers: you tell your upstream provider to stop the madness
[23:13] level09: okay, so my point is that should I do anything special ?
[23:13] yoav_: you put node behind nginx, and use nginx to handle it
[23:13] level09: my upstream is ec2
[23:14] level09: our sysadmins know nothing about nginx
[23:14] level09: :D
[23:14] yoav_: http://wiki.nginx.org/NginxHttpLimitReqModule
[23:14] yoav_: http://wiki.nginx.org/NginxHttpLimitZoneModule
[23:14] level09: nice
[23:15] level09: I want to start migrating to this server
[23:15] yoav_: you can also use nginx as a load balancer and just have a bunch of node processes running
[23:15] burg: or how else can i find when connection has closed?
[23:15] _beau: is node behind nginx going to be a permanent thing?
[23:15] _beau: i remember hearing that it was a temporary solution 
[23:15] Chani: can I make a single .js file that works both as a module and as a directly runnable script?
[23:16] yoav_: say you have 10,000 connections per node process, you could just spawn node processes as needed, it'd have to be a huge ddos attack to really have an effect
[23:16] telemachus: Chani: Not sure if you can, but I'm curious: why do you want to? (That is, why *not* put the module in a separate file?)
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[23:17] RORgasm: hey guys
[23:17] RORgasm: anyone using the node-growl library
[23:17] RORgasm: ?
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[23:18] yoav_: you could have a nodejs process handling all this instead of nginx, but nginx is really well tuned to be a load balancing proxying server
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[23:27] Chani: telemachus: it's a test script. I want to be able to run it directly as well as having higher-level tests use it
[23:27] Chani: I could make an extra file, but, that's less fun ;)
[23:28] telemachus: Chani: Hmm. I'm not sure I follow, but fair enough. 
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[23:31] RORgasm: is there anyway to detect the operating system within a node server is running on?
[23:31] RORgasm: basically want to be able to detect whether the node server is running on a mac or linux machine
[23:32] yoav_: whatever functionality that only works on one OS, you could try do it in some kind of catch statement, if it returns an error then you know which OS you're on
[23:32] RORgasm: hmm yeah
[23:32] RORgasm: not as graceful as id liek to be
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[23:33] stride: require('os').type();
[23:33] AvianFlu: or process.platform I think
[23:33] aaronblohowiak: RORgasm: you should do feature detection, not os
[23:33] AvianFlu: but yeah, what he said
[23:33] RORgasm: basically guys in my library i'm trying to add growl or libnotify support
[23:34] AvianFlu: so check for one, and figure out a nice neat way to turn the FAIL message into "go use the other one"
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[23:45] JoseCabo: tmpvar, I maked a comment in node-ogl issues section :)
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[23:45] JoseCabo: did*
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[23:46] Marak: okay i did it
[23:46] Marak: where is isaacs , npm hates me https://gist.github.com/1022132
[23:46] Marak: anyone have any idea what that error is about? im confused
[23:48] aaronblohowiak: Marak: looks like a tar error
[23:48] Marak: aaronblohowiak: how do i fix? 
[23:48] aaronblohowiak: Marak: i dunno
[23:48] Marak: *works for me!
[23:48] Marak: (tm)
[23:49] Marak: does: npm install hook.io-helloworld -g , work for you?
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[23:51] aaronblohowiak: SubStack: "file not rooted at basedir" ?
[23:52] SubStack: hmm
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[23:52] SubStack: aaronblohowiak: that happens for relative paths sometimes
[23:52] aaronblohowiak: SubStack: okay, i'll require("paths").resolve
[23:52] level09: how does node server compare to python ones ?
[23:52] Marak: level09: 13x times better
[23:52] level09: better ? you mean faster ?
[23:53] Marak: level09: yeah, exactly 13
[23:53] SubStack: aaronblohowiak: is your "base" param relative?
[23:53] level09: wow
[23:53] Marak: unless you go dual core, then its 26
[23:53] SubStack: __dirname + '/foo' is what I usually do
[23:53] level09: Marak:  but i thought node uses only 1 thread
[23:53] Marak: level09: not when you use hook.io
[23:53] level09: so it doesn't utilize dual cores
[23:53] Marak: you can also use cluster
[23:53] Marak: for real http apps
[23:53] level09: nice
[23:53] Marak: level09: https://github.com/learnboost/cluster
[23:53] level09: I'm looking for something compatible with socket.io
[23:54] Marak: level09: there you go
[23:54] Marak: level09: now go try some demos
[23:54] level09: cluster cant be used with socket.io
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[23:54] aaronblohowiak: SubStack: I was doing that, now that I path.resolve'd it, it is barfing on first tick... just upgraded from 0.4.0 to 1.0.0 (1.0.1 is not on npm)
[23:54] Marak: level09: ohh, well hook.io will work
[23:54] level09: Marak: I am running it on one server, handling 10K connections 
[23:54] level09: concurrent
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[23:56] level09: eh that's your own project :D
[23:56] level09: :DD
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[23:56] level09: hmm seems like a nice project
[23:57] Marak: level09: you can try demo maybe
[23:57] SubStack: aaronblohowiak: yeah v1 has some bugs :/
[23:57] Marak: im about to remove forever dep, causing some issues atm
[23:58] SubStack: might be better off using 0.4.x until I implement proper dependency graph culling I think
[23:58] SubStack: no time!
[23:58] aaronblohowiak: SubStack: invent a time machine
[23:58] aaronblohowiak: =)
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[23:59] SubStack: haha
[23:59] SubStack: have to get this crazy new testing thing working so I can demo it
[23:59] SubStack: well it already works but I have to make it awesome
[23:59] SubStack: and integrated with browserling and all of this stuff