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[00:02] blaenk: mape: sorry?
[00:02] mape: blaenk: don't worry, coffeescript isn't that bad
[00:02] blaenk: mape: I'm wondering how I can run the coffeescript interpreter
[00:03] blaenk: with node.js in the environment, that is, run the coffeescript interpreter and use node.js in it
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[00:03] slickplaid: blaenk, what I do is install it globally using `npm install -g coffeescript`
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[00:03] slickplaid: then just run any .coffee file like `coffee server.coffee`
[00:03] slickplaid: and it works(tm)
[00:04] blaenk: ohhhh sorry guys, the coffee script interpreter already has access to node, the problem I was having is requiring a file in the directory
[00:04] blaenk: so like I run the coffee repl in a directory with the source files and I want to require them
[00:04] blaenk: yeah that's the problem
[00:04] blaenk: I think if I go back one directory it'll work
[00:04] blaenk: nope doesn't
[00:05] blaenk: so, when I run coffee thefile.coffee it works just fine
[00:05] blaenk: but what I'm trying to do is run coffee REPL and do require calls etc. myself
[00:05] blaenk: like one would test things really quickly in irb
[00:05] AvianFlu: slickplaid: I like the works(tm)
[00:05] bitwise_: maybe try putting them in ./node_modules?
[00:05] blaenk: it works with require 'http', but not with my own files
[00:05] slickplaid: :)
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[00:06] blaenk: well I didn't have to put them in node_modules when I ran with coffee
[00:06] bitwise_: ah. just in the cs repl?
[00:06] blaenk: require just automatically seemed to find the files in the same directory
[00:06] blaenk: yeah exactly
[00:06] blaenk: so I have a /coffee dir with my coffee files, and I want to test files
[00:06] blaenk: in the repl just on the fly you know
[00:06] jmoyers: 
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[00:07] bitwise_: you tried require('./coffee/foo')?
[00:08] blaenk: yep, it keeps saying cannot load module
[00:08] blaenk: cannot find module rather
[00:08] blaenk: and I'm in /, I even tried it within /coffee by doing require './foo' and same
[00:08] bitwise_: this was happening to me before when i was using the node repl using sudo
[00:08] blaenk: is it because somehow my current directory is changed when I run the coffee repl?
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[00:08] blaenk: yeah something like that? except I'm not running it with sudo, though I did install it globally
[00:09] blaenk: I wonder if there's a flag to change the starting directory
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[00:09] bitwise_: console.log(process)
[00:09] bitwise_: inside the coffee repl
[00:09] blaenk: gist it?
[00:09] blaenk: or what should I look for
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[00:09] blaenk: installPrefix: '/usr/local'
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[00:10] blaenk: execPath: '/usr/local/bin/node'
[00:11] blaenk: ohh maybe because paths isnt set to my directory
[00:11] bitwise_: im not exactly how it works but it might provide more info/context
[00:11] blaenk: https://gist.github.com/1020065
[00:11] blaenk: that's most likely the reason
[00:12] blaenk: you know if there's a way to display the current directory? if not I'll look for the file system docs
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[00:13] bitwise_: __dirname
[00:14] blaenk: thanks. NODE_PATH env var might help I think, time to search
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[00:17] blaenk: yeah it's a problem with coffeescript because when I run node directly it works
[00:17] blaenk: in the node repl
[00:19] bitwise_: you can try to play with npm explore coffeescript to troubleshoot a bit more
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[00:34] xerox: isaacs: it *is* quite simple
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[00:34] xerox: thanks for the article
[00:34] isaacs: xerox: np
[00:34] blaenk: bitwise_: npm explore coffee-script: "Error: It doesn't look like coffee-script is installed." is there a way to tell npm to list the packages installed?
[00:34] isaacs: blaenk: npm ls
[00:34] isaacs: blaenk: did you install coffee-script locally or globally?
[00:35] isaacs: npm ls -g
[00:35] isaacs: shows global ones
[00:35] blaenk: right -g
[00:35] isaacs: npm explore coffee-script -g would explore the global one
[00:35] blaenk: yeah I see coffee-script there
[00:35] blaenk: what's the deal haha
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[00:36] blaenk: oh I had to do npm explore -g coffee-script
[00:36] blaenk: I found an issue on github for coffeescript which outlines what I'm experiencing but its supposedly been fixed since then: https://github.com/jashkenas/coffee-script/issues/1035
[00:36] blaenk: guess I'll post there and ask
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[00:38] SubStack: isaacs: https://gist.github.com/1020106
[00:38] SubStack: :D
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[00:45] _Beau: so... who wants to replace my camshaft position sensor?
[00:45] _Beau: :D
[00:45] SubStack: sounds like something with grey codes in it
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[00:54] dominictarr: hey does anyone here user Design by Contract?
[00:55] dominictarr: and does anyone do TDD but hasn't heard of Design by Contract?
[00:56] kmiyashiro: wtf is design by contract
[00:56] _Beau: i think its something like, if i dont like your design i wont pay you?
[00:56] _Beau: :D
[00:56] Aria: Say what it does. Then do that. Checks at the entrance and exit of every method.
[00:57] Aria: "this method's contract says that if you give it two integers, it'll give you one back, and won't throw any exceptions"
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[00:57] kmiyashiro: isn't that just a test?
[00:58] dominictarr: it is like a test.
[00:58] dominictarr: but it runs everytime you call a function.
[00:58] dominictarr: so it's like user defined static types. 
[00:59] dominictarr: It's suddenly seeming like a really good idea,
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[01:00] dominictarr: especially when you need to write tests for old code
[01:00] jmoyers: confused
[01:00] jmoyers: statically typed?
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[01:01] jmoyers: not that i don't know what static typing is
[01:01] jmoyers: but im confused why i would ever do that in js
[01:01] kmiyashiro: so it tests your entire codebase with the tests you write for each function?
[01:02] kmiyashiro: not sure I understand completely
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[01:03] dominictarr: well, I mean that it checking all your objects are corect, at run time, like static typing would.
[01:03] dominictarr: normally it means defining pre and post conditions for each method call.
[01:04] Aria: Yeah. Or more, documenting the conditions everything expects and what it will or won't do in response.
[01:04] dominictarr: yeah. 
[01:04] Aria: It can be as code or as documentation, but the contract is essentially a more detailed API spec.
[01:04] jmoyers: documentation = fine
[01:04] jmoyers: code = go get a statically typed language
[01:04] jmoyers: imo
[01:05] dominictarr: it's too late, already doing js.
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[01:05] isaacs: SubStack: neat!
[01:06] dominictarr: ++ you could just turn the design by contracts off, when your not debugging.
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[01:06] jmoyers: thats fine -- im just not doing it. i don't prescribe what others need to do :-) seems like a lot of overhead
[01:06] tauren: i'm curious, what types of modules do people install globally vs locally? When does it make sense to do one over the other?
[01:06] jmoyers: tauren only modules with cli utilities in global generally
[01:06] jmoyers: coffeescript, express if you use that, etc
[01:07] _Beau: and also if you are providing hosting environments or something
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[01:07] tauren: so in general, install most of your modules locally?
[01:07] _Beau: yes, jmoyers has it
[01:07] _Beau: i do.
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[01:07] jmoyers: tauren yes
[01:07] jmoyers: always
[01:07] _Beau: since theres no reason not to, and im the only one on my server
[01:07] jmoyers: if you're doing development
[01:07] _Beau: esp. since you can now
[01:07] jmoyers: actively on another library (ie one of your dependencies)
[01:07] _Beau: didnt used to be able to if i'm not mistaken, even 3 months ago
[01:07] jmoyers: it can be nice to use npm link
[01:07] tauren: ok. but things like express would be global then?
[01:07] jmoyers: which is pseudo global
[01:08] tauren: npm install express
[01:08] jmoyers: tauren only if you're using the cli part of express
[01:08] _Beau: tauren: i would install all things to a local place
[01:08] xerox: SubStack: where is .map(..) from ?
[01:08] _Beau: as to prevent conflicts with other projects/users
[01:08] tauren: does that automatically install globally, as that's how they recommend installing it? I thought I had to add a -g to install globally.
[01:08] _Beau: and not necessarly in your project folder
[01:08] _Beau: but like your /home/tauren/ dir
[01:08] _Beau: is what i do
[01:09] SubStack: xerox: traverse has a .amp()
[01:09] tauren: ok, thanks
[01:09] SubStack: *map
[01:09] _Beau: it can help you keep track of what the packages are easier, as well as preserve dependancies
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[01:09] tauren: so you just install them once for all your projects and use npm link to reference them?
[01:09] _Beau: well, whatever location your at when you npm install package
[01:09] _Beau: is where it goes
[01:09] _Beau: you dont need to link/reference
[01:09] davidbanham: I think global installation definitely has a place for things like nodemon
[01:09] _Beau: its auto
[01:10] SubStack: design by contract is silly
[01:10] _Beau: david: why?
[01:10] SubStack: just avoid side effects except where appropriate
[01:10] SubStack: problem solved
[01:10] Aria: Agreed.
[01:10] xerox: SubStack: ah I see
[01:10] davidbanham: _Beau: Because it's something I want access to in pretty much every project during development, but I may not want to use it in production.
[01:11] xerox: I think I saw a functional programming inspired package sometime
[01:11] SubStack: xerox: it's because uglify's ast walker is crap
[01:11] xerox: but I can't find it anymore
[01:11] SubStack: so I'm using my awesome one that is for any kind of data structure
[01:11] xerox: hehe
[01:11] tauren: _Beau: jmoyers: thanks for the help. I've been installing locally, but just wondered if I should be installing anything globally. now i know.
[01:11] jmoyers: and knowing is half the battle
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[01:12] xerox: it does look nice, your traverse-js
[01:12] SubStack: dominictarr: https://gist.github.com/1020106 :D
[01:12] isaacs: SubStack: i'm surprised you don't like uglify's walker api.  i thought it was one of the more cute parts of it
[01:13] SubStack: isaacs: well I can do in 5 lines with traverse what it takes dozens of lines with uglify's walker
[01:13] isaacs: yeah
[01:13] isaacs: traverse is pretty nice, too
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[01:13] _Beau: :)
[01:14] SubStack: when modules roll their own anything it tends to suck compared to something that specializes on just doing that one thing well
[01:14] tjholowaychuk: what's the uglify one look like?
[01:14] tjholowaychuk: oh i see
[01:14] dominictarr: nice.
[01:15] SubStack: tjholowaychuk: this does a similar thing https://github.com/isaacs/UglifyJS/blob/master/tmp/instrument.js
[01:15] tjholowaychuk: i dont see why it's not just like this https://github.com/LearnBoost/stylus/blob/master/lib/visitor/compiler.js
[01:15] tjholowaychuk: you can maintain state in the instance
[01:15] tjholowaychuk: no prob
[01:16] tjholowaychuk: seems like an awkward way of doing things
[01:16] SubStack: node-burrito will make ast manipulations pleasant to write
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[01:26] jmoyers: mmmm burrito
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[01:31] _Beau: sup sista
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[01:32] Sorella: if you want to export a shitload of functions, how do you usually do it?
[01:33] _Beau: i think you can either specifically export each function to a module.exports.something = something
[01:33] SubStack: assign into exports, how else?
[01:33] _Beau: or wrap them all in an single object
[01:33] chjj: module.exports = shitloadoffunctions
[01:33] SubStack: you can nest them however you like too
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[01:36] rpj8: topic's awful morbid isn't it
[01:36] rpj8: ?
[01:36] Sorella: ah, okay, module.exports will do.
[01:37] Sorella: thanks guys.
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[01:43] Danish: hi guys
[01:43] Danish: I'm very new to web programming
[01:44] Danish: could I use node js to write the server side of a smart phone app?
[01:44] Danish: so the server side of for example an android app
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[01:44] chjj: yes
[01:44] davidbanham: Danish: Yes. Depending on what you want it to do, it may or may not be the best choice, but yes.
[01:44] chjj: i like my answer better
[01:44] Danish: well I wanted to make a multiplayer game
[01:45] davidbanham: chjj: I've been hanging out with too many lawyers.
[01:45] Danish: a small mmo
[01:45] Danish: so you have a map and you walk around and see other players
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[01:46] davidbanham: Danish: Pretty real-time, so yeah nodejs would probably be a good choice in my reasonably uneducated opinion.
[01:46] Matt111: Danish - make it interesting.. everyone is a server, P2P based..  The only way in is to connect to another player.
[01:46] Matt111: no central repo, it would make for an epic RPG :)
[01:46] Danish: hmmm
[01:47] Danish: how would I go about doing that?
[01:47] Matt111: Thats my nerdy idea though, not the best if you have non-techies playing
[01:47] jmoyers: not viable
[01:47] jmoyers: unless cheating is okay
[01:47] Matt111: good point
[01:47] Danish: well not many players would be cheating since its a smart phone game
[01:47] davidbanham: jmoyers: Make cheating an integral part of the game. Whomever can hack their local server in the most interesting ways is the winner.
[01:48] Danish: plus i just want to do this to learn some client-server programming
[01:48] Matt111: lol
[01:48] blaenk: I've been reading up on something related to Danish' question, but mine isn't as complicated, it's just a turn-based multiplayer game (10 players or less per game), the thing I'm looking into is what protocol, like, just straight up tcp and make up my own or something like socket.io
[01:48] jmoyers: uh
[01:48] blaenk: I'm also new to that stuff
[01:48] jmoyers: is it browser based?
[01:48] blaenk: it'll be an iOS app
[01:48] jmoyers: if so, socket.io
[01:48] Danish: well
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[01:48] Danish: the idea is to make the game available to different platforms
[01:49] Danish: so write 1 server
[01:49] Matt111: Danish - everyone launches a server, and the server speaks to the node it joined from.  From there it asks that server for nodes its connected to.. slowly polling all the servers to ensure the web of connections is always growing.
[01:49] Danish: and 2 different clients
[01:49] Danish: one for the web
[01:49] jmoyers: then you abstract the transport
[01:49] Danish: and 1 for the app
[01:49] davidbanham: Danish: Considered doing it in Javascript nose to tail and then deploying with PhoneGap?
[01:49] jmoyers: use the same data types (json, whatever), and abstract the to-network/from-network
[01:49] blaenk: I found this for iOS https://github.com/fpotter/socketio-cocoa
[01:49] blaenk: it's an interface between cocoa and socket.io
[01:50] jmoyers: our product uses udp, tcp/http/bayeaux depending on the circumstances
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[01:52] jmoyers: careful about dependencies
[01:52] jmoyers: especially non-so-well-known libraries dealing with network voodoo
[01:52] jmoyers: unless you're prepared to debug, in which case its fine
[01:53] jmoyers: i just question the need to use socket.io in that context
[01:53] Danish: i just looked at phoneGap
[01:53] Danish: looks pretty cool
[01:54] blaenk: yeah I'm currently looking at plain old tcp
[01:54] Danish: well if I use phonegap and a p2p network i wouldnt need to even touch node js, right?
[01:55] blaenk: I'm new to network programming I just thought socket.io might ease things, but it seems like plain tcp is more direct
[01:55] SubStack: those do different things
[01:55] blaenk: hahaha I know, not what I meant :/
[01:55] blaenk: I meant building on top of a tcp stream or just using socket.io
[01:56] blaenk: and this is not related to a web app
[01:56] SubStack: you only use socket.io for browser<->server code
[01:56] chjj: youre making very confusing statements
[01:56] blaenk: I know that's why I dropped it
[01:56] blaenk: though I did find that cocoa/ios bridge to socket.io
[01:57] jmoyers: SubStack well
[01:57] davidbanham: Danish: True, a P2P system will not require nodejs. I'd say the technical challenge of a P2P system will be greater than that of a server-client system though.
[01:57] jmoyers: i guess some would argue that
[01:57] blaenk: but like I'm saying, socket.io didn't seem to fit
[01:57] jmoyers: its just a protocol
[01:57] jmoyers: ~j~ etc
[01:58] jmoyers: blaenk i'd look directly at http://code.google.com/p/cocoaasyncsocket/
[01:58] jmoyers: if i were you
[01:58] blaenk: yeah I had that up too
[01:58] blaenk: that + a tcp server? (again I'm noob)
[01:59] blaenk: so I mean that on the ios app, and a tcp server on node.js
[02:00] jmoyers: yes
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[02:00] jmoyers: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.8/api/net.html#net.Server
[02:00] blaenk: yep that's what I've been poking at :)
[02:00] jmoyers: Net trivializes a lot of this
[02:00] blaenk: yeah I've noticed :D
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[02:00] blaenk: what's mainly been confusing me though is in what format to sent my data, like can I choose json if I'm comfortable with that?
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[02:00] blaenk: I mean I imagine I can, but I'm wondering if that's not a bad practice
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[02:01] jmoyers: socket.io adds heartbeat, json deserialize/serialize, and later on (0.7) channels and such
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[02:01] jmoyers: yes, you can choose json
[02:01] jmoyers: on the iOS device though
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[02:01] jmoyers: you need a library to deserialize
[02:01] jmoyers: with node
[02:01] blaenk: a json library, yeah
[02:01] jmoyers: you just use JSON.stringify() and JSON.parse()
[02:01] blaenk: sweet
[02:02] renatoi: hey, can anyone help me with http headers in node.js?
[02:02] jmoyers: shoot
[02:02] blaenk: yeah I am thinking I will need channels (to represent separate games, each which have different players). so i'd have to implement that myself if I use a net server, I found this which might help: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4445883/node-websocket-server-possible-to-have-multiple-separate-broadcasts-for-a-sin
[02:03] blaenk: to give me an idea
[02:03] jmoyers: erm
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[02:03] jmoyers: not to cap on PushIt
[02:04] jmoyers: but you don't necessarily need this
[02:04] _Beau: no
[02:04] blaenk: oh that answer suggests pushit but I was refering mainly to the sample code
[02:04] blaenk: on how one might implement channels
[02:04] jmoyers: if you need channels, you might check out modules that do 'namespaced events'
[02:04] jmoyers: for pub sub
[02:04] _Beau: i use DNode for pub/sub
[02:04] jmoyers: for instance https://github.com/hij1nx/EventEmitter2
[02:04] _Beau: https://github.com/sorensen/aebleskiver
[02:04] _Beau: is pub/sub channel chat app
[02:05] _Beau: the source code might help you figure things out
[02:05] blaenk: thanks, opened both of those up
[02:05] _Beau: it wont be multi-threaded until the subscriptions/channels are moved to a persistant DB though
[02:05] _Beau: as an FYI
[02:05] jmoyers: not true
[02:05] jmoyers: you don't need persistence to make a multi server message queue
[02:06] _Beau: its really just an FYI that something needs to change
[02:06] _Beau: in order to communicate between node processes
[02:06] renatoi: http.request: I have more than one "Link" header in my http response header and nodejs is returning me just the first "LINK" header in response.headers. Is this a known bug? Any idea?
[02:06] _Beau: the method on how it is done is somewhat subjective
[02:07] jmoyers: but anyway -- dnode isn't ported to ios natively yet
[02:07] jmoyers: its got an open protocol
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[02:07] _Beau: while we are on the subject
[02:07] _Beau: my solution was just going to be using visionmedia/Keys to share subs/channels
[02:08] _Beau: is using a MQ a better solution?
[02:08] _Beau: as i want to use cluster in the near future
[02:08] jmoyers: there are a bunch of domain specific mq technologies
[02:08] jmoyers: rabbit, redis pub/sub, etc
[02:08] _Beau: Keys can use redis/mongodb/riak
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[02:09] _Beau: and as i want to make it incorporated into a backbone-dnode package, i feel Keys might be a more versitile solution to the end user of the package
[02:09] jmoyers: does Keys support redis pub sub out of the box?
[02:09] _Beau: not the native pub/sub of redis
[02:09] jmoyers: im not really sure i understand going to riak or mongo or some such for a message queue
[02:09] jmoyers: so write events into the database and poll?
[02:10] _Beau: im currently storing Clients/Channels/Subscriptions in thread-memory
[02:10] jmoyers: the benefit of redis pub/sub or rabbit etc is that they're push, and optionally have persistence
[02:10] _Beau: i just figured moving to Keys would solve that regardless of what i use, so long as its not Memory
[02:10] _Beau: i dont have any experience using MQ's
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[02:11] jmoyers: well
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[02:11] jmoyers: unless you use somethin akin to mysql triggers
[02:11] _Beau: not at all
[02:11] jmoyers: im not sure how you can make a generic datastore into a pub sub without polling
[02:12] _Beau: why poll?
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[02:12] blaenk: hey quick noob question. I'm wondering how something like redis pub/sub fits into a net server (nodejs), like, I would have thought redis would help to add persistence for example, but what does the pub/sub element of redis help with? I'm just wondering if it'll help with what I'm trying to do
[02:13] blaenk: oh you guys are saying, message queue, right
[02:13] _Beau: redis has a native publish/subscribe method that will do the job
[02:13] _Beau: in which, you arent sending EVERY message to EVERYONE
[02:13] jmoyers: you dont need a dedicated message queue unless you have multiple servers that are interested in events
[02:14] blaenk: ohhh, so instead of implementing it myself in a net server, a client would just connect to the redis server? or would a nodejs app mediate the connection?
[02:14] jmoyers: no no
[02:14] jmoyers: like
[02:14] _Beau: jmoyers: i will butcher this explanation
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[02:15] jmoyers: in short
[02:15] jmoyers: you probably don't need a message queue
[02:15] blaenk: I'll give a quick run down of what I want to do and maybe you can tell me
[02:15] SubStack: quit thinking, start hacking
[02:15] blaenk: haha I'd rather not get deep into something only to find out I'm doing it wrong
[02:16] SubStack: if you find out you're doing it wrong then you throw it away
[02:16] SubStack: and you learned something!
[02:16] blaenk: lol, yeah I don't mind that but I might as well ask people who know
[02:16] SubStack: much faster I find to just start building something
[02:17] blaenk: I already have started writing a lot but this pub/sub thing caught my attention
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[02:17] blaenk: its a turn based multiplayer game. chatting is part of the game mechanic (the players have to be able to chat with each other to discuss the events, cooperate etc.)
[02:17] SubStack: that sounds hard. use dnode
[02:17] blaenk: hahaha
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[02:18] _Beau: :D
[02:18] _Beau: and backbone!
[02:18] _Beau: and while your at it, backbone-dnode!
[02:18] SubStack: sure
[02:18] _Beau: somewhat joking about the last part, but DNode for sure
[02:19] blaenk: to give a very quick rundown. the server will manage the game state. players each have different roles, and the server announces new 'phases' in which players can choose to use their abilities. so during a certain phase, players might choose to use their abilities. the actions will be gathered by the server, and then at the start of the next phase they will be run, and their effects will alter the game state
[02:19] rpj8: Is the solution posted by shripad generally the best way to go about this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4753957/socket-io-authentication/4782933
[02:19] rpj8: ?
[02:19] mqsack_: anyone have time for a noob failed install error question?
[02:19] rpj8: AUGH I HAVE NO TIME
[02:19] rpj8: 
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[02:20] blaenk: so for example during the day people may chat, then during the night, bad people might choose to kill someone, etc., the server will gather those actions (kill someone), and then evaluate them at the end of the night
[02:20] blaenk: I'm guessing I don't need an mq then haha
[02:20] _Beau: rpj8: yes
[02:20] rpj8: blaenk: lol are you remaking epic mafia?
[02:20] _Beau: its what i am currently doing with connect-mongodb
[02:20] rpj8: _Beau: alright, cool.
[02:20] blaenk: rpj8: sure something like mafia
[02:21] rpj8: _Beau: I am going to look into dnode next to see if it offers another solution
[02:21] _Beau: it doesnt
[02:21] _Beau: to my knowledge
[02:21] rpj8: ah
[02:21] rpj8: I see
[02:21] _Beau: you will need to send the client the session ID sent by express, since it is hashed+salted
[02:21] SubStack: auth is hard
[02:21] SubStack: (not really)
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[02:21] _Beau: and after that, you can use socket.io to query the SessionStore with that SID
[02:22] _Beau: there is more to it than that, but that will get you started in a big way towards your goal
[02:22] SubStack: rpj8: you can write a unique token in some javascript
[02:22] rpj8: _Beau: I see. I've never worked directly with the sessionstore yet
[02:22] rpj8: _Beau: I've always just done req.session.name = 'body.name' 
[02:22] rpj8: set it and forget it.
[02:22] _Beau: its not too hard, yes same here
[02:22] SubStack: <script>var token = !{JSON.stringify(token)}</script>
[02:22] SubStack: then send that to the server over socket.io
[02:23] _Beau: exactly
[02:23] _Beau: did i say it wrong substack?
[02:23] SubStack: much easier than connect-redis
[02:23] _Beau: well, if your working with express isnt it all the same idea?
[02:23] _Beau: connect-redis/connect-mongodb/native express sessions
[02:23] rpj8: SubStack: what significance is the ! in that line
[02:23] _Beau: express sets the hashed SID
[02:23] SubStack: you don't necessarily need the session id
[02:24] SubStack: rpj8: interpolation
[02:24] rpj8: oh with jade
[02:24] _Beau: which will allow you to keep the same token for later use in express routes
[02:24] SubStack: yes except the <script> parts obviously aren't jade
[02:24] SubStack: but it's just the idea of it
[02:24] _Beau: i have a jade demo
[02:24] _Beau: if u want
[02:25] rpj8: you konw
[02:25] rpj8: i'd only ever heard of interpolation before in GIS
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[02:25] rpj8: and then I heard it suddenly when tj mentioned it in using it in jade templates
[02:25] _Beau: https://github.com/sorensen/aebleskiver/blob/master/views/index.jade
[02:25] rpj8: which was kind of weird
[02:25] _Beau: loc 445
[02:25] _Beau: is where i set it
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[02:25] _Beau: and then just grab it on the client and use it at will
[02:25] rpj8: _Beau: thank you
[02:26] _Beau: check the server.js file for how i'm sending it to jade, but its pretty straightforward
[02:26] rpj8: ok cool
[02:26] rpj8: thank you so much
[02:26] rpj8: afk a little
[02:26] _beau: fo sho
[02:27] _beau: and always take SubStack's advice over mine
[02:27] _beau: he knows quite a bit more
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[02:27] SubStack: knowing lots of things isn't very useful
[02:28] SubStack: having an uncompromising sense of aesthetics is where it's at
[02:28] chjj: disagree, i find knowledge to be useful...at least ocassionally
[02:28] chjj: :)
[02:28] _beau: :D
[02:28] _beau: SubStack++
[02:28] v8bot:  _beau has given a beer to SubStack. SubStack now has 36 beers.
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[02:30] _beau: any thoughts on upgrading my Acer Aspire to a Macbook Pro?
[02:30] _beau: i've come across a chuck of change or so
[02:30] _beau: never owned anything apple
[02:31] mikegerwitz: You pay out the ass for vendor lock, imo
[02:31] _beau: i guess in reference to hardware/performance
[02:31] _beau: not too concerned with the company ethics
[02:31] mikegerwitz: That I can't say ;)
[02:32] _beau: since Acer has terrible customer service
[02:32] SubStack: I don't like macbooks
[02:32] _beau: what do you dev on?
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[02:32] jmoyers: i <3 my macbook
[02:32] SubStack: such big touchpads
[02:32] SubStack: I hate touchpads
[02:32] chjj: this^
[02:32] SubStack: 
ACTION has a thinkpad

[02:32] _beau: i kind of like the big touchpads, i hate touchpads as well, but it might be because they are so small?
[02:32] SubStack: clitmouse ftw
[02:32] _beau: LOL
[02:33] _beau: i dev on a thinkpad at work
[02:33] jmoyers: ha
[02:33] jmoyers: gestures ftw
[02:33] jmoyers: more like
[02:33] _beau: ^^
[02:33] chjj: ill die before i use a touchpad
[02:33] _beau: my manager does VIM / touchpad and is crazy fast
[02:33] SubStack: also I don't get the appeal of osx's interface
[02:33] mikegerwitz: For the price of the hardware, you can get the same performance for much cheaper. I'd take the extra money and invest in an external monitor :) Increase productivity. That's my main gripe with laptops. One screen.
[02:33] SubStack: every time I try to use it I end up very frustrated
[02:33] jmoyers: heh
[02:33] SubStack: same with smartphones
[02:33] _beau: i always have a second moniter plugged in
[02:33] jmoyers: well it certainly takes a few to get used to
[02:34] jmoyers: but i'll never go back to main dev on windows
[02:34] _beau: i am just sick of windows i guess
[02:34] SubStack: 
ACTION runs xmonad on linux

[02:34] _beau: and still hate apple for no reason
[02:34] mikegerwitz: SubStack++ ;)
[02:34] jmoyers: parse fail
[02:34] _beau: since i've never used an apple product since i was in the 5th grade
[02:34] mikegerwitz: guess so.
[02:35] _beau: i've been told it is a superior hardware
[02:35] jmoyers: there is no reason to hate apple
[02:35] _beau: vs. my Acer for example
[02:35] chjj: jmoyers: yes there is
[02:35] _beau: ^^
[02:35] jmoyers: nah
[02:35] mikegerwitz: There's countless reasons to hate apple. But more for business ethics than hardware.
[02:35] blaenk: I like apple but I like to troll apple fanboys and apple haters both, it's too easy
[02:35] _beau: hehe
[02:35] jmoyers: i use both
[02:35] SubStack: I like apple but I don't like their interfaces
[02:35] blaenk: people make that shit their religion, taking one stance about the issue
[02:35] _beau: i just hate the unknown
[02:35] SubStack: or their hardware
[02:35] chjj: refusing to support webm like a stubborn child = failure in my eyes
[02:36] _beau: and dont really care what i dev on, so long as its a good quality product
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[02:36] jmoyers: i have a big commodity windows box sitting here with ridic gear, but i use my mac for work every day
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[02:37] _beau: i would like to have both, ultimately
[02:37] _beau: i guess i'm looking for someone to give me a good reason not to buy a macbook before i get some cash and just do it
[02:37] blaenk: I'm on mac installed on my pc right now
[02:37] jmoyers: google ought to have done a better job with their outreach on webm and webp
[02:37] blaenk: I usually use windows but when it comes to dev, I boot into mac
[02:38] _beau: i've been on windows since 3.1
[02:38] chjj: jmoyers: yeah, google is the bad guy, youre right
[02:38] blaenk: no need to buy overpriced mac hardware (though I do have various apple products including a macbook), and I get the os (I did buy it :)
[02:38] mikegerwitz: _beau: all went downhill since 3.1 :(
[02:38] jmoyers: nah, they aren't -- im just saying, thrusting those standards out without feedback from the major players
[02:38] jmoyers: that was risky
[02:39] _beau: looooool
[02:39] chjj: it was necessary - absolutely necessary to ensure the survival of html video
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[02:39] _beau: i feel nub for not knowing what webm and webp are
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[02:39] chjj: im glad someone used their power for good to do something like that
[02:39] _beau: *runs to google*
[02:40] jmoyers: it was a good idea
[02:40] jmoyers: good intentions
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[02:40] jmoyers: obv they failed in a few regards
[02:40] rpj8: _beau: I think you may have sent me this yesterday hah
[02:40] rpj8: or earlier today.
[02:40] jmoyers: given the fact that vendors aren't unilaterally picking it up
[02:40] chjj: or microsoft and apple failed for being money grubbing bastards
[02:40] rpj8: er no
[02:40] _beau: whats that?
[02:40] rpj8: sorenson did
[02:40] rpj8: the github you sent me
[02:40] _beau: <-beau sorensen
[02:41] rpj8: oh.
[02:41] rpj8: welll ok then.
[02:41] rpj8: I didn't understand it that well yesterday
[02:41] rpj8: it's making more sense today though
[02:41] _beau: the project? i forgot what i told you yesterday
[02:41] rpj8: it was about the same thing
[02:41] rpj8: how to 'tie' sessions to socket.io connections
[02:42] mikegerwitz: _beau: Well, what's your interest in a Mac? The interface? The brand? All the cool kids have it? It's not Windows?
[02:42] _beau: not windows mainly
[02:42] rpj8: i did a _lot_ more reading on the subject and I understand it a bit better now.
[02:42] _beau: i dont give a fuck about 'cool'
[02:42] rpj8: _beau: you should run linux
[02:42] rpj8: like all the uncool not-windows kids
[02:42] mikegerwitz: _beau: Experiment with gnu/linux then before you blow all your money :)
[02:42] _beau: quality of hardware?
[02:42] mikegerwitz: _beau: if you don't like that, then try a mac
[02:42] _beau: i can afford 2 macbooks a week
[02:43] _beau: so im kinda not worried about the $$
[02:43] _beau: maybe even just having different platforms to know the differences
[02:43] _beau: i dont dev locally whatsoever
[02:43] _beau: i push everything to a rackspace/centOS 
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[02:43] jmoyers: chjj i think we can both agree
[02:43] _beau: some call me crazy
[02:44] jmoyers: quicktime is a piece of shit
[02:44] _beau: mike: thanks for the advice too btw
[02:44] _beau: i've been thinking of installing ubuntu on this PC for a while
[02:44] blaenk: anyone ever try heroku for node.js hosting?
[02:44] _beau: no, using joyent atm and loving it
[02:44] blaenk: oh I'll look into that
[02:45] _beau: finally got a nodjitsu invite though, so i'll be looking into that soon
[02:45] _beau: Marak++
[02:45] v8bot:  _beau has given a beer to Marak. Marak now has 1 beers.
[02:45] mikegerwitz: _beau: Well, Mac is based on FreeBSD. It's a UNIX-like system. So explore other UNIX-like systems. People generally get macs for the brand or looks. Or for specific software.
[02:45] mikegerwitz: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Unix_history-simple.svg
[02:45] blaenk: i got it cause its sexyunix
[02:45] _beau: ah, i've been told by many its a better quality hardware as well
[02:45] blaenk: as a friend put it
[02:45] znutar: does joyent play nice with websockets?  Heroku's giving me no love
[02:45] _beau: well, joyent seems to revert to polling unfortunately
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[02:47] _beau: i take that back
[02:47] _beau: its not doing it anymore =\
[02:47] blaenk: now it's reverting to snail mail right
[02:47] blaenk: or worse, carrier pigeons
[02:48] _beau: that reminds me of an mail service i just came accross
[02:48] _beau: apparently dont have the link
[02:49] _beau: thanks Chrome sync!
[02:49] blaenk: lol
[02:49] blaenk: I prefered firefox sync unfortunately
[02:49] blaenk: but I moved to chrome cause I like everything else
[02:49] blaenk: the firefox home app for ios was a nice touch too
[02:49] isaacs: znutar: yes, all of joyent's node hosting options are websocket friendly
[02:50] _beau: yes
[02:50] _beau: i spoke too soon
[02:50] chjj: the only thing better about firefox is its extensions, albeit less secure
[02:50] _beau: good thing i've never had the need for extentions
[02:50] _beau: :P
[02:50] _beau: although flashblock is nice
[02:51] _beau: when looking for movies
[02:51] chjj: i dont have flash installed anymore, i have it disabled it chrome
[02:51] chjj: got rid of that piece of shit for good
[02:51] SubStack: the depth limits on console.dir are really annoying
[02:51] jmoyers: yes
[02:52] SubStack: I hate having to use util.inspect all the time
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[02:54] SubStack: bwahaha
[02:56] SubStack:  9 files changed, 106 insertions(+), 580 deletions(-)
[02:56] SubStack: best kind of commit
[02:56] _beau: nice
[02:56] _beau: less is more :)
[02:57] znutar: isaacs: oh, neat
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[02:59] _beau: ah hell, i need to get out of the house and my car is going to shit starting 3 hours ago
[02:59] Aria: Nice, SubStack 
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[03:00] SubStack: https://github.com/substack/node-burrito
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[03:06] rpj8: <3 gnu/linux
[03:06] rpj8: and git
[03:06] rpj8: and egrep
[03:06] cjm: Are there any good podcasts about new node.js stuff?
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[03:14] rpj8: cjm: the best place i've found for up to the minute node stuff is twitter
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[03:18] phatmandan: With the most recent build of node.js and npm, what should NODE_PATH be set to?
[03:18] phatmandan: or where should it point rather
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[03:28] systemfault: Is there some kind of repo for fedora 15?
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[03:36] cjm: thanks for the suggestion rpj8
[03:36] cjm: i think there is room for a good node.js podcast
[03:38] carpeliam: if i want to use use a class both on the client side and on the server side, do i have to avoid calling 'require' in it?
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[03:45] SubStack: carpeliam: nope
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[03:45] SubStack: carpeliam: http://github.com/substack/node-browserify
[03:45] jmoyers: carpeliam without browserify, you can check if window exists, etc
[03:46] jmoyers: though browserify is tight :-)
[03:46] SubStack: or you could if (typeof require === 'undefined')
[03:49] carpeliam: hm thanks :) i'll check out browserify
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[03:58] justinTNT: anyone got good mongoose? I've got a list of ids: whats the best way to remove multiple documents?
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[03:59] _beau_away: i like mongoose but dont know
[03:59] _beau_away: =\
[03:59] _beau_away: iterate through each id and do a document.remove()
[04:00] _beau_away: Model.findById(id, function(err, doc){ doc.remove() });
[04:00] _beau_away: you might have to just iterate through your list and do that, i dont think theres a mass-remove 
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[04:05] justinTNT: hmmm...
[04:05] _beau: its what i would do
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[04:06] justinTNT: I -guess- mongo is smart about queueing multiple transactions, and I won't have too many, but I just wondered if there was a 'better' way ...
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[04:06] _beau: i dont think so
[04:06] _beau: because of your ID list
[04:06] _beau: either way though, there is no mass delete
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[04:13] rvb: hello .. i've just discovered node.js and here is my question
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[04:13] rvb: can node.js fetch a website like http://code.google.com/apis/chart/interactive/docs/gallery/barchart.html , execute the code and since it uses V8 engine , can it render the charts>
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[04:15] phatmandan: Is anyone having trouble updating expat with npm?
[04:15] phatmandan: node-expat that is
[04:16] euforic: Any good resources for project structure and file organization?
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[04:21] zodiak: stupid question time, is there anyway in npm to distinguish packages destined for production vs development ?
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[04:24] Aria: 0.x vs 1.x, kinda.
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[04:26] zodiak: Aria: ah, sorry, let me clarify. I mean when doing a npm install, I want sqlite3 to load on dev, but if missing the --dev flag, then get npm install to install pg
[04:27] Aria: No, there's not.
[04:28] Aria: You could script that, though, instead -- generate your package.json, or script the npm install itself.
[04:28] zodiak: true
[04:28] Aria: node install.js # runs npm install && npm install sqlite3 if dev, else npm install pg
[04:28] zodiak: I was merely wondering if there was a 'typical' way that I was missing. 
[04:29] Aria: Yeah. Nope.
[04:29] zodiak: alrighty. danke :)
[04:29] Aria: Myself, I'd install both every time.
[04:29] Aria: And then choose which to _use_ at runtime.
[04:30] zodiak: Aria: yeah, true, problem comes with sqlite3 borks on heroku (which I am playing with rather than joyent … mea culpa ;)
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[04:30] Aria: Ah, sad!
[04:30] zodiak: meh.. I am jst glad that work has allowed me time to play with node, even if it is 'use heroku' :)
[04:30] SubStack: 'allowed'
[04:30] SubStack: what is that
[04:31] zodiak: well, I can do it on company time and still get paid ;p
[04:32] SubStack: 
ACTION wonders how 'company time' works

[04:32] SubStack: 
ACTION hasn't had one of these "real jobs" I hear so much about

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[04:35] Aria: It depends on which state you work in.
[04:35] Aria: In most states, work at the company or on company projects or company equipment, it's company time.
[04:35] Aria: Otherwise not.
[04:35] Aria: But in new york, it's all company time.
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[04:54] nonoders: yo noders! I have a question. Suppose I had sudo installed node
[04:54] nonoders: what's the best way to clean out that install entirely?
[04:55] nonoders: Or I suppose what's just the best way to uninstall node completely
[04:55] nonoders: in preparation for installing the lastes
[04:55] nonoders: *latest
[04:56] Aria: sudo make uninstall?
[04:56] nonoders: I don't have the original makefile
[04:56] nonoders: (or at least i cannot locate it) (Aria)
[04:56] Aria: Delete all the files?
[04:56] Aria: Or just install over the top?
[04:56] Aria: node isn't complex. There's not much to it.
[04:57] nonoders: Aria: do you know where all the files node drops are?
[04:58] Aria: Where'd you tell it to install to? It's mostly just the node binary and libdir/node/libraries
[04:58] Aria: (and in my case, a shared library, but I had to work to make that happen in the first place.)
[04:59] nonoders: Aria: this was about 8 months ago
[05:00] nonoders: I just read that installing as root was dangerous
[05:00] Aria: It's not.
[05:00] Matt111: bring an idiot as root is dangerous.
[05:01] Matt111: installing programs that are safe is not.
[05:01] Aria: No more than doing anything as root is.
[05:01] Aria: I mean, on my workstation, I own /usr/local, so I don't have to. But my server, I install as root.
[05:01] Aria: now npm, since it's been reworked as 1.0, you don't tend to install things as root (but it has features to make that safe -- running mostly as nobody) since they're project-local.
[05:02] Matt111: ahh, I run my macbook, I've never had a reason to use root at home.  on servers root is useful for initial config though.
[05:03] nonoders: Well, I thought it was dangerous to install npm as root because of untrusted npm packages
[05:03] nonoders: that made sense tome
[05:04] Matt111: hmm, that does make sense if its an untrusted package - I joined in the convo late.
[05:06] nonoders: It looks like I did some hacky stuff. I think I installed as me:
[05:06] nonoders: but /usr/local is owned by my username
[05:06] nonoders: not root
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[05:06] nonoders: normally it's root
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[05:06] nonoders: Must have just been trying to make sure it wasn't owned by root and made that entire dir owned by me. I wonder if I screwed anything up
[05:06] nonoders: (probably only if someone else tries to use my personal computer)
[05:08] nonoders: So I took the "take ownership" approach it looks like
[05:08] nonoders: Why the heck aren't there just binaries of node for every platform?
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[05:14] TheLifelessOne: Hi, how can I convert the data received from a http.request response?
[05:15] SubStack: to what?
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[05:16] TheLifelessOne: SubStack: ASCII.
[05:16] SubStack: buffer data you mean?
[05:16] TheLifelessOne: Characters, whatever you want to call them.
[05:16] TheLifelessOne: Sure.
[05:16] SubStack: you can just .toString()
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[05:16] nonoders: What's everyone's favorite method of doing client server RPC?
[05:16] Marak: i had a dream i stayed up for two days coding and then i found an npm bug and passed out
[05:16] SubStack: a Marak appears
[05:16] Marak: im trying to figure out which of that actually happened
[05:17] TheLifelessOne: SubStack: Agh, I didn't even think of that.
[05:17] isaacs: Marak: yep
[05:17] SubStack: nonoders: dnode of course
[05:17] Marak: 
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[05:17] isaacs: Marak: happened
[05:17] TheLifelessOne: I keep forgetting this is JavaScript. :D
[05:17] TheLifelessOne: Thanks
[05:17] nonoders: I'll check it out, but why do you like it SubStack ?
[05:17] SubStack: NO REASON >_>
[05:17] OMGIMANERD: Success!!!! i got hello_node to run!
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[05:18] mt3ck_: woot
[05:18] SubStack: Marak: I feel pretty likewise today
[05:18] OMGIMANERD: has anyone used node with any ruby on rails applications?
[05:18] SubStack: had 4 mugs of coffee and I'm not any less sleepy than when I woke up
[05:18] SubStack: that said I still got plenty done today
[05:18] Aria: Time to give up caffeine for a couple weeks so it works again.
[05:19] Marak: SubStack: :-) i just woke up and sechrist and avianflu were here
[05:19] SubStack: maybe
[05:19] SubStack: or I accidentally bought decaf mebs
[05:19] nonoders: OMGIMANERD: One time I wrote a nodejs script that deleted every single ruby file on my hard drive.
[05:19] nonoders: And I was glad
[05:19] SubStack: nope
[05:20] mt3ck_: haha
[05:20] OMGIMANERD: damn...
[05:20] nonoders: Seriously.. why?
[05:20] nonoders: If you're starting from scratch, why choose to use ruby?
[05:20] OMGIMANERD: does it not work well with ruby?
[05:21] OMGIMANERD: whats your suggestion
[05:21] SubStack: OMGIMANERD: seems a bit silly to use node and ruby in the same app unless you have a specific reason to
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[05:21] SubStack: when you could just as well write everything in either language entirely
[05:22] OMGIMANERD: haha
[05:22] OMGIMANERD: what about real time pushes?
[05:22] SubStack: is there anything in particular that you need ruby for or is it just familiarity?
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[05:24] OMGIMANERD: i already have a web app built with RoR
[05:24] nonoders: OMGIMANERD Either language can be used to do real time pushes
[05:24] nonoders: Even java could be used to do it
[05:24] SubStack: realtime pushups
[05:24] nonoders: Do what you like, but don't use ruby out of familiarity
[05:25] nonoders: SubStack: oh in that case, yes use ruby for real time pushups
[05:25] OMGIMANERD: say i started from scratch
[05:25] nonoders: then node
[05:25] brainproxy: OMGIMANERD: there are lots of fun options for "real time" push libs in node.js
[05:25] nonoders: node node node all the way
[05:25] brainproxy: faye, socket.io
[05:25] nonoders: :)
[05:25] brainproxy: SubStack: has dnode, iirc
[05:25] SubStack: dnode can speak ruby
[05:25] Aria: 
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[05:25] SubStack: although I haven't put too much work into it
[05:25] nonoders: dnode the rpc framework?
[05:25] nonoders: what?
[05:25] SubStack: yes
[05:26] nonoders: You mean you can use dnode to connect ruby and node?
[05:26] brainproxy: faye as well
[05:26] brainproxy: can connect ruby and node
[05:26] brainproxy: through pub/sub mechanism
[05:27] nonoders: Hey SubStack/brainproxy have you guys heard of any good ways of seamlessly sharing code from the client and server?
[05:27] brainproxy: nonoders: well I have my preference :)
[05:27] brainproxy: which is to build cross-environment libs with Joose
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[05:27] nonoders: what are your thoughts brainproxy ?
[05:27] brainproxy: ^^
[05:27] nonoders: Okay
[05:28] brainproxy: but Joose makes some folks scratch their heads, so ymmv
[05:28] OMGIMANERD: nonoders how long have you been using node
[05:28] nonoders: But what about modeling dependencies with npm 
[05:28] nonoders: OMGIMANERD: not much
[05:28] SubStack: nonoders: have I...
[05:28] isaacs: OMGIMANERD: since 2009
[05:28] nonoders: I just know that the more languages in your stack the worse
[05:28] brainproxy: nonoders: well with Joose you use a mechanism called JooseX.Namespace.Depended
[05:28] OMGIMANERD: LOL and why is that
[05:28] SubStack: nonoders: http://github.com/substack/node-browserify
[05:28] brainproxy: ^^
[05:29] isaacs: the biggest problem with joosex is the pronounciation
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[05:29] brainproxy: yeah, i was about to mention SubStack's stuff, node-broserify
[05:29] isaacs: i can't say it with a straight face.
[05:29] brainproxy: lol, you know, that's funny, just got that
[05:29] brainproxy: never hit me before, lol
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[05:29] isaacs: brainproxy: now it will.
[05:29] isaacs: every time.
[05:29] brainproxy: yeah, thanks a lot!
[05:29] brainproxy: 
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[05:29] isaacs: you'll type "require('jewsex')" some day, i promose.
[05:30] Marak: lol
[05:30] nonoders: OMGIMANERD: You will end up writing the same code twice
[05:30] nonoders: someway some where
[05:30] nonoders: and you will struggle with bugs when they get out of sync
[05:30] nonoders: SubStack: what about requirejs?
[05:31] brainproxy: seriously, though, the orthogonality provided by Roles in Joose and the flexibility of JooseX.Namaespace.Depended make it possible to break your code down into little chunks
[05:31] brainproxy: which really appeals to me
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[05:32] nonoders: brainproxy: you know what else allows you to break code into small chunks? javascript
[05:32] nonoders: json objects
[05:32] nonoders: nothing more is needed in my opinion unless you wish to do inheritane
[05:32] nonoders: *inheritance
[05:33] brainproxy: i'm talking more about class compisition
[05:33] brainproxy: y
[05:33] nonoders: which is a bad decision in my opinion anyways
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[05:33] brainproxy: .. yeah, inheritance 'isa' relationships and 'does' relationships
[05:33] Calvin: SyntaxError: Unexpected string
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[05:33] nonoders: I hate searching through inheritance trees
[05:33] nonoders: so unclear
[05:34] nonoders: with javascript we have no excuse
[05:34] nonoders: delegation can be so easy
[05:34] nonoders: with proto inheri
[05:35] jmoyers: classical inheritance can be useful
[05:35] brainproxy: well something things can still get messy w/ proto inheritance .. but I've learned to not evangelize Joose too hard in js community, tends to elicit strong reactions :)
[05:35] Marak: Calvin: ḑ̖̞͚̦̖͚̭͇̗̫̩͉͉̭̭͖͈͎̫̬̯̠̮͚̖̣̝͕̩̪̗͉̰̝̩͕̬̩̳̳̹̬̞̯̗̖̱͖͓͂̀̌͛͑̍ͯͯͤ͗ͅe͚̱̮̗̼̟̤̗̟̞̰̜͎̦̭͉̣̞̖̝͇̻̙̯̳̙͔͓͌ͩ̍̂̊ͦ̑̚͘a̸̞̬̞̟̫̙̻̾̓ͦ̒͂ͪ̿̍͊̓ͯ̌ͪ̈̂̄ͧt̷̺͔̙̖͚͎̥̩͈̪̺̤̦̻̥̤͚̘̤̝̝̳̗̱̯͙̭̞̖͈͚͔̹͎̪͕̼̥̬͕̟̘͎͙̩̘̺̤̙͉͖̮͌͂ͨ͆͛̿͒ͯ̋̈͗̽̇̾̆̊ͯ͂̆ͅh͔̩͓̻͓̮͇̠͎̖̭̙̦̭̝̩͇�
[05:35] Calvin: eath 
[05:35] Marak: hey Calvin ... you dead now?
[05:35] Calvin: dead at all , regex egex might hey
[05:35] jmoyers: people like to go with the grain of the language
[05:36] Marak: Calvin: Do you know how to setup a httpServer object to respond to incoming requests?
[05:36] Calvin: httpServer when its requests
[05:36] Marak: Calvin: Yeah, the callback.
[05:36] Calvin: callback continues by calling outer Yeah
[05:36] jmoyers: every library wants to invent a Class()
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[05:36] AvianFlu: !insult Calvin
[05:36] kohai: Calvin actually looks rather nice today.
[05:36] Calvin: actually want to install global pass the function in the parent process to execute the function with the arguments that the more languages in your numbers so I made may have to check the state of the road imo
[05:36] Marak: jmoyers: oooooooooooooooooooopp
[05:36] Marak: Calvin do you have a github?
[05:36] Calvin: github , but i need to make a multiplayer game
[05:36] jmoyers: oop ;-)?
[05:36] Marak: Calvin: Yeah, ahts the link?
[05:36] Calvin: Yeah it was STOMP
[05:36] Marak: Calvin: source code please
[05:36] Calvin: source dependencies
[05:37] SubStack: classes? pfft, javascript is the drop-out language
[05:37] jmoyers: did you guys make a clever bot ;P?
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[05:37] Marak: Calvin: Yes, I need a link to your github repo so i can read about your game.
[05:37] Calvin: github repo and installing it ing an about
[05:37] Marak: Calvin: I don't like you now.
[05:37] Calvin: don't understand how RUN something like
[05:38] SubStack: Calvin: PLEASE STATE THE NATURE OF THE MEDICAL EMERGENCY
[05:38] Calvin: EMERGENCY MEDICAL
[05:39] Marak: Calvin: Does it hurt when you pee?
[05:39] Calvin: Does not
[05:39] Marak: Calvin: Does it hurt when you sit down on a hard surface?
[05:39] Calvin: surface , express am havin trouble installin express usin npm n Does
[05:39] Marak: Calvin: So it's an npm medical emergency? Did express deps hurt you?
[05:39] Calvin: emergency medical
[05:39] Marak: I like this new guy, hes better conversation then most of the other noobs
[05:39] isaacs: Calvin: You should meet my friend, Markov
[05:39] Calvin: should be no joke
[05:40] isaacs: Calvin: where you from?
[05:40] Calvin: where it's a static function within a p tag from
[05:40] jmoyers: Calvin you need more data, man
[05:40] Calvin: need to say it in Rails
[05:40] Marak: Calvin: Rails sucks dude
[05:40] Calvin: Rails , I'm thinking of how to load balance, alance a sucks
[05:40] jmoyers: Calvin you aren't convincing at all
[05:40] Calvin: convincing at all , when counter, and call the method I should use something designed for the menu and one other for the simple parts of the fixes i made may have already been pushed to martyn's repo since
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[05:40] Marak: Calvin: try node-http-proxy
[05:40] Calvin: nodehttpproxy try
[05:40] AvianFlu: !insult Calvin:
[05:40] kohai: Calvin: smells of elderberry wine!
[05:40] Calvin: elderberry smells
[05:40] isaacs: !insult member:Calvin:
[05:40] Calvin: memberCalvin 
[05:40] Calvin: member:Calvin: is a STEALTH DACER
[05:40] jmoyers: ahhahaha
[05:41] isaacs: !insult Calvin:
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[05:41] SubStack: Calvin: beep boop
[05:41] Calvin: beep boop
[05:41] SubStack: Calvin: beep boop beepity boop
[05:41] Calvin: beepity boop
[05:41] isaacs: Calvin: beep boop boop boop boop
[05:41] Calvin: beep boop
[05:41] SubStack: Calvin: I see you've played knifey-spoony before
[05:41] Calvin: knifeyspoony you've
[05:41] isaacs: Calvin: beep boop boop boop boop
[05:41] Calvin: beep boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop
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[05:41] isaacs: Calvin: beep boop boop boop boop
[05:41] Calvin: beep boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop
[05:41] isaacs: max words?
[05:41] Marak: !config add plugins:alias:whitelist isaacs
[05:41] brainproxy: whose bot?
[05:41] kohai: isaacs was added to plugins:alias:whitelist.
[05:41] isaacs: !insult Calvin:
[05:41] kohai: I slap thee verily with a trout quite large, Calvin:!
[05:42] Calvin: verily with a windows server to me is an absolute requirement, what is needed
[05:42] isaacs: !insult Calvin:
[05:42] kohai: Calvin: is a venomous lily-licker!
[05:42] Calvin: lilylicker venomous
[05:42] Marak: Calvin: !insult Calvin 
[05:42] Calvin: insult one another's 
[05:42] isaacs: hahah
[05:42] Marak: Calvin: !insult Calvin 
[05:42] Calvin: insult one another's 
[05:42] Marak: Calvin: !insult Calvin 
[05:42] Calvin: insult you by asking if Kung Pow 
[05:42] Marak: Calvin: !insult Calvin 
[05:42] SubStack: it had better be using node-markov
[05:42] Calvin: insult to the socket
[05:42] Marak: dammit
[05:42] brainproxy: Calvin++
[05:42] v8bot:  brainproxy has given a beer to Calvin. Calvin now has 2 beers.
[05:42] Calvin: brainproxy has given a beer beers
[05:42] Marak: Calvin: !!!!!!!! !!! ! !!! !!!!
[05:42] Calvin:  
[05:42] isaacs: Calvin++
[05:42] Marak: Calvin: !!!!!!!! !!! ! !!! !!!!
[05:42] v8bot:  Calvin is getting too many beers.  Don't let Calvin get drunk!
[05:42] Calvin:  
[05:42] Calvin: getting command not aving an beers
[05:42] isaacs: omg, the machines have taken over this room
[05:42] Marak: yeah, friday night lights
[05:42] Marak: good times
[05:43] AvianFlu: !insult Calvin:
[05:43] kohai: Calvin: is an unsightly trouser stain!
[05:43] Calvin: unsightly trouser
[05:43] Marak: i hope no one wanted to write node code
[05:43] jmoyers: v8: !function(){console.log('Calvin: eat it');}()
[05:43] v8bot: jmoyers: "Calvin: eat it"
[05:43] Calvin: functionconsolelog'Calvin eat
[05:43] Calvin: jmoyers has given a beer eat
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[05:43] isaacs: Calvin++
[05:43] v8bot:  Calvin is getting too many beers.  Don't let Calvin get drunk!
[05:43] Calvin: getting this npm error when i try to exploit beers
[05:43] jmoyers: so many various bot chains
[05:43] Marak: !config add plugins:alias:whitelist v8bot 
[05:43] kohai: v8bot  was added to plugins:alias:whitelist.
[05:43] Marak: Calvin: LOL
[05:43] Calvin: LOL , you rHandler is 
[05:43] isaacs: dude, this is hilarious
[05:44] Marak: v8: !function(){console.log('!insult Calvin');}()
[05:44] v8bot: Marak: "!insult Calvin"
[05:44] Calvin: functionconsolelog'insult Calvin'
[05:44] Calvin: insult one another's Marak
[05:44] isaacs: Marak: you should whitelist calvin on kohai
[05:44] Calvin: whitelist calvin on kohai
[05:44] SubStack: Calvin: isaacs thinks you're a joke!
[05:44] Calvin: isaacs im just a pussy thinks
[05:44] Marak: !config add plugins:alias:whitelist Calvin 
[05:44] Calvin: pluginsaliaswhitelist add
[05:44] kohai: Calvin  was added to plugins:alias:whitelist.
[05:44] Calvin: pluginsaliaswhitelist added
[05:44] Marak: isaacs: you have opers
[05:44] Marak: isaacs: also, i dont know if Calvin is ident
[05:44] Calvin: isaacs , you does that automatically install globally, as nstalled globally ident
[05:44] jmoyers: hmm
[05:44] Marak: isaacs: type !help btw
[05:44] isaacs: i see.
[05:44] jmoyers: curiously loud explosion noises
[05:44] isaacs: !help
[05:44] Marak: isaacs ( if you are ident )
[05:45] jmoyers: oh shit
[05:45] jmoyers: fireworks over pacbell
[05:45] jmoyers: i thought san francisco was being attacked finally
[05:45] AvianFlu: LOL JMOYERS
[05:45] AvianFlu: p.s. we hear them too
[05:45] SubStack: same
[05:45] SubStack: in oak city
[05:46] isaacs: 
ACTION trying to work out how to get Calvin to start tweeting..

[05:46] Calvin: tweeting ACTION
[05:46] isaacs: 
ACTION always tries to help the AI get out of the box

[05:47] Marak: Calvin: !insult kohai:
[05:47] Calvin: insult Calvin
[05:47] Marak: close
[05:47] Marak: i think he throws out !
[05:47] isaacs: hm...
[05:47] SubStack: maybe a sport happened
[05:47] isaacs: Calvin: !tweet I'm out!
[05:47] jmoyers: times like this, i love this apartment
[05:47] Calvin: tweet could apply to any specific constructor for that price you really cant complain
[05:47] jmoyers: twin peaks has bad ass views of fireworks
[05:47] Marak: so close
[05:47] isaacs: Calvin: you're so nitpicky
[05:47] Calvin: nitpicky you're
[05:47] SubStack: did some people generate some numbers with a sport?
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[05:48] SubStack: and then lit some fireworks to celebrate the numbers?
[05:49] isaacs: SubStack: oh, i hear it now
[05:49] isaacs: SubStack: i dunno.
[05:49] isaacs: .. Math.random()
[05:49] Calvin: 130.13169694901444018
[05:49] isaacs: .. Math.random()
[05:49] Calvin: 130.3115849688183516
[05:49] isaacs: .. Math.random()
[05:49] Calvin: 130.040655855322256684
[05:49] isaacs: .. Math.random()
[05:49] Calvin: 130.9439647055696696
[05:49] isaacs: .. Math.random()
[05:49] Calvin: 130.0756421098485589
[05:49] isaacs: YAAAYAAYYAYAYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!
[05:50] Marak: Calvin: ḑ̖̞͚̦̖͚̭͇̗̫̩͉͉̭̭͖͈͎̫̬̯̠̮͚̖̣̝͕̩̪̗͉̰̝̩͕̬̩̳̳̹̬̞̯̗̖̱͖͓͂̀̌͛͑̍ͯͯͤ͗ͅe͚̱̮̗̼̟̤̗̟̞̰̜͎̦̭͉̣̞̖̝͇̻̙̯̳̙͔͓͌ͩ̍̂̊ͦ̑̚͘a̸̞̬̞̟̫̙̻̾̓ͦ̒͂ͪ̿̍͊̓ͯ̌ͪ̈̂̄ͧt̷̺͔̙̖͚͎̥̩͈̪̺̤̦̻̥̤͚̘̤̝̝̳̗̱̯͙̭̞̖͈͚͔̹͎̪͕̼̥̬͕̟̘͎͙̩̘̺̤̙͉͖̮͌͂ͨ͆͛̿͒ͯ̋̈͗̽̇̾̆̊ͯ͂̆ͅh͔̩͓̻͓̮͇̠͎̖̭̙̦̭̝̩͇�
[05:50] Calvin: eath 
[05:50] isaacs: Calvin: SPORTS!
[05:50] Calvin: SPORTS 
[05:50] isaacs: Calvin: SPORTS!
[05:50] Calvin: SPORTS 
[05:50] isaacs: Calvin: SPORTS!
[05:50] Calvin: SPORTS 
[05:50] isaacs: Calvin: SPORTS!
[05:50] Calvin: SPORTS 
[05:50] Marak: Calvin: What is your favorite language? 
[05:50] Calvin: favorite things in memory
[05:50] Marak: Calvin: Do you mean like Redis?
[05:50] Calvin: Redis pub sub ady have mean
[05:50] SubStack: Calvin: javascript
[05:50] Calvin: javascript to just start building something
[05:50] isaacs: Calvin: Whos' your favorite SPORTS javascript SPORTS?
[05:50] Calvin: javascript is a special case favorite
[05:50] Marak: Calvin: What you building in JavaScript?
[05:50] Calvin: JavaScript implementations faltered building
[05:50] Marak: ....
[05:50] OMGIMANERD: Math.random()
[05:50] _beau: ..
[05:50] Calvin: 14undefined
[05:51] isaacs: Calvin: .. Math.random()
[05:51] Calvin: Mathrandom 
[05:51] Marak: Calvin: !insult OMGIMANERD 
[05:51] Calvin: OMGIMANERD Either language entirely
[05:51] AvianFlu: !insult Calvin:
[05:51] kohai: I slap thee verily with a trout quite large, Calvin:!
[05:51] Calvin: verily with a thin webserver for testing webservice
[05:51] _beau: Calvin: insult _beau
[05:51] Calvin: insult to the database, you could also use a browser that doesn't support websockets
[05:51] Marak: Calvin: Whistle tips
[05:51] Calvin: Whistle tips
[05:51] brainproxy: 1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;
[05:51] AvianFlu: !insult Calvin
[05:51] kohai: Calvin smells of elderberry wine!
[05:51] Calvin: elderberry smells
[05:51] SubStack: isaacs: you are generating the numbers wrong they have to be integers
[05:51] isaacs: !insult calvin
[05:51] kohai: calvin is a venomous lily-licker!
[05:51] Calvin: lilylicker venomous
[05:51] Marak: the room is in full effect today
[05:51] isaacs: SubStack: oh, right
[05:51] _beau: !insult Calvin: insult kohai
[05:51] Calvin: Calvin: insult kohai doesn't like bacon
[05:51] Calvin: insult one another's kohai
[05:51] OMGIMANERD: Fuck(you)
[05:51] isaacs: .. Math.ceil( Math.random() * 100 )
[05:51] Calvin: 1379
[05:51] isaacs: .. Math.ceil( Math.random() * 100 )
[05:51] Calvin: 135
[05:51] isaacs: .. Math.ceil( Math.random() * 100 )
[05:51] Calvin: 1363
[05:51] isaacs: .. Math.ceil( Math.random() * 100 )
[05:51] Calvin: 1330
[05:51] isaacs: .. Math.ceil( Math.random() * 100 )
[05:51] Calvin: 1327
[05:51] SubStack: I can tell by having seen a lot of sport in my day
[05:51] isaacs: YAYAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY!!!!!
[05:51] OMGIMANERD: .. Math.random()
[05:51] Calvin: 130.33807663549669087
[05:52] SubStack: and by the pixels
[05:52] OMGIMANERD: ..Math.random()
[05:52] _beau: !insult Calvin
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[05:52] OMGIMANERD: ..Math.random()
[05:52] _beau: aww
[05:52] OMGIMANERD: ..Math.random()
[05:52] _beau: :(
[05:52] isaacs: Calvin: SPORTS SubStack SPORTS
[05:52] Calvin: SubStack yeah that ah, that's SPORTS
[05:52] AvianFlu: !config add plugins:alias:whitelist _beau
[05:52] kohai: _beau was added to plugins:alias:whitelist.
[05:52] AvianFlu: try now _beau
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[05:52] _beau: !insult Calvin
[05:52] AvianFlu: _beau, Y U NO IDENT
[05:52] SubStack: Calvin: Well that's sports for you.
[05:52] Calvin: that's why I can't pass a function which returns a function too
[05:52] _beau: lazy
[05:52] _beau: :D
[05:52] AvianFlu: !insult SubStack
[05:52] kohai: I slap thee verily with a trout quite large, SubStack!
[05:52] Calvin: SubStack can not do "the jackal".
[05:52] OMGIMANERD: !insult SubStack
[05:52] Calvin: SubStack doesn't check for typoes (or is it typos?) before submitting an insult
[05:53] OMGIMANERD: !insult OMGIMANERD
[05:53] Calvin: OMGIMANERD has a problem with thinking 4th dimensionaly
[05:53] isaacs: Calvin: I should introduce you to Monty, over in #couchdb
[05:53] Calvin: introduce any of the addons yet
[05:53] AvianFlu: !insult Substack
[05:53] kohai: Substack is a wombat-loving heifer-puncher!
[05:53] Calvin: Substack is a bot fly
[05:53] OMGIMANERD: !insult Substack
[05:53] Calvin: Substack does not believe that Johnny Five is alive
[05:53] OMGIMANERD: !insult substack
[05:53] Calvin: substack has explosive diarrhea
[05:53] OMGIMANERD: !insult Substack
[05:53] Calvin: Substack is a Sarah Palin supporter
[05:53] OMGIMANERD: LOL
[05:53] OMGIMANERD: explosive diarrhea
[05:53] OMGIMANERD: !insult Substack
[05:53] Calvin: Substack doesn't pass the Bechdel test
[05:53] Aria: Ooh, burn!
[05:53] _beau: funny stuff
[05:53] OMGIMANERD: !insult Substack
[05:53] Calvin: Substack keeps bumping that fucking Ange thread in the MF
[05:54] isaacs: Substack just turned off his "make noise when someone mentions my name" option,
[05:54] Marak: Calvin: Don't diss SubStack 
[05:54] Calvin: SubStack , another of course, not a ref book Don't
[05:54] Marak: Calvin: how many node modules you got dog?
[05:54] Calvin: modules turned off many
[05:54] AvianFlu: !insult OMEGANERD
[05:54] kohai: OMEGANERD actually looks rather nice today.
[05:54] Calvin: OMEGANERD does not own a maroon and sort of fuzzy hat
[05:54] OMGIMANERD: !insult OMGIMBLACK
[05:54] Calvin: OMGIMBLACK puts balconies on a building facing a highway
[05:54] OMGIMANERD: !insult OMGIMBLACK
[05:54] Calvin: OMGIMBLACK isn't willing to become a cyborg
[05:54] OMGIMANERD: !insult OMGIMBLACK
[05:54] Calvin: OMGIMBLACK finds the word \"niggers\" amusing
[05:54] OMGIMANERD: LOLOL
[05:54] _beau: looool
[05:54] Marak: lol...
[05:54] Marak: Racist bot is racist
[05:54] AvianFlu: woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
[05:54] OMGIMANERD: LOLOL
[05:54] OMGIMANERD: !insult OMGIMBLACK
[05:54] Calvin: OMGIMBLACK doesn't like pens
[05:55] OMGIMANERD: !insult OMGIMBLACK
[05:55] Calvin: OMGIMBLACK does not like Ace of Base.
[05:55] OMGIMANERD: !insult OMGIMBLACK
[05:55] Calvin: OMGIMBLACK thinks Phoebe was the best one in Friends
[05:55] AvianFlu: !insult Calvin
[05:55] OMGIMANERD: !insult OMGIMBLACK
[05:55] kohai: Calvin is an unsightly trouser stain!
[05:55] Calvin: OMGIMBLACK is pulling off his sunglasses and saying something cheesy
[05:55] Calvin: unsightly trouser
[05:55] Marak: LOL
[05:55] OMGIMANERD: !insult OMGIMBLACK
[05:55] Calvin: OMGIMBLACK would rather have dumb space battles than awesome lesbian loveshacking.
[05:55] OMGIMANERD: !insult OMGIMBLACK
[05:55] Calvin: OMGIMBLACK is more than incidentally heterosexual.
[05:55] OMGIMANERD: !insult OMGIMBLACK
[05:55] Calvin: OMGIMBLACK improperly installed or omitted flashings from their design, causing constant water infiltration issues.
[05:56] OMGIMANERD: !insult OMGIMBLACK
[05:56] Calvin: OMGIMBLACK doesn't like Tom Bombadil
[05:56] _beau: !insult _beau
[05:56] Calvin: _beau tickles mooGOO's balls with a feather duster.
[05:56] jmoyers: hahaha
[05:56] _beau: LOL
[05:56] jmoyers: still going on
[05:56] OMGIMANERD: !insult OMGIMBLACK
[05:56] Calvin: OMGIMBLACK spoils all of Michelle's scenes on Gossip Girl
[05:56] OMGIMANERD: who's michelle
[05:56] _beau: !what do
[05:56] OMGIMANERD: who's michelle
[05:57] OMGIMANERD: !insult OMGIMBLACK
[05:57] _beau: whats the commands
[05:57] Calvin: OMGIMBLACK is a BB producer who desperately tries to stop the housemates doing anything fun or original because it doesn't fit with their pre-conceived storylines and shows up BBLB as the inferior product that it is
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[05:57] OMGIMANERD: !insult OMGIMBLACK
[05:57] Calvin: OMGIMBLACK always forgets that Tomtrek fucking loves Kirby
[05:57] OMGIMANERD: !insult OMGIMBLACK
[05:57] Calvin: OMGIMBLACK is a cunt who dredges up old logs.
[05:57] _beau: !insult !insult
[05:57] Calvin: !insult is Rich, Yub, and Dirk rolled into one.
[05:57] luisloaiza: having problems in fedora
[05:57] luisloaiza: runnind node in background
[05:57] luisloaiza: with node app.js &
[05:57] OMGIMANERD: !insult OMGIMBLACK
[05:57] Calvin: OMGIMBLACK somehow likes Keira Knightley more than Natalie Portman
[05:57] luisloaiza: when i run from terminal
[05:57] _beau: !insult node.js
[05:57] Calvin: node.js masturbates to Sio Bibble
[05:57] OMGIMANERD: !insult OMGIMBLACK
[05:57] Calvin: OMGIMBLACK always forgets that Tomtrek fucking loves Kirby
[05:57] OMGIMANERD: !insult OMGIMBLACK
[05:57] Calvin: OMGIMBLACK is a Japanazi
[05:57] luisloaiza: everything is ok
[05:57] OMGIMANERD: !insult OMGIMBLACK
[05:57] Calvin: OMGIMBLACK is a birther
[05:57] OMGIMANERD: !insult OMGIMBLACK
[05:57] Calvin: OMGIMBLACK is an apple sandwich
[05:58] OMGIMANERD: !insult OMGIMBLACK
[05:58] Calvin: OMGIMBLACK doesn't understand the concept of "shuffle".
[05:58] luisloaiza: but when I close the terminal
[05:58] luisloaiza: it crash
[05:58] _beau: !insult PHP
[05:58] Calvin: PHP transported Scotty into a water pipe because they thought it would be funny
[05:58] _beau: !insult PHP
[05:58] Calvin: PHP named or will name their child Chord
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[05:58] _beau: !insult PHP
[05:58] Calvin: PHP is drinking celery soda.
[05:58] _beau: !insult Yo momma
[05:58] Calvin: Yo momma tried to put out every light in the world
[05:58] _beau: !insult Yo momma
[05:58] Calvin: Yo momma wonders out loud why there aren't NOBO awards.
[05:58] _beau: now i'm lolling
[05:58] _beau: now i'm lolling
[05:58] _beau: !insult Yo momma
[05:58] Calvin: Yo momma eats bricks
[05:58] _beau: !insult Yo momma
[05:58] Calvin: Yo momma is black, but isn't, like, a nigger, you know?
[05:59] OMGIMANERD: LOL
[05:59] onr: could you recommend some nodejs modules for front-end development
[05:59] _beau: LOOOOL
[05:59] Marak: wow
[05:59] _beau: !insult Yo momma
[05:59] Calvin: Yo momma isn't Max Rebo and never will be.
[05:59] OMGIMANERD: !insult Yo momma
[05:59] Calvin: Yo momma is a freshly baked doucheberry muffin.
[05:59] OMGIMANERD: !insult Yo momma
[05:59] Calvin: Yo momma lies about liking Michelle Trachtenberg
[05:59] OMGIMANERD: !insult Yo momma
[05:59] Calvin: Yo momma does not know how to pronounce pwn
[05:59] Marak: i just figured out that hook.io can turn any synchronous code into async 
[05:59] Marak: holy shit
[05:59] OMGIMANERD: !insult Yo momma
[05:59] Calvin: Yo momma is bad in the face.
[05:59] OMGIMANERD: LOL
[05:59] _beau: !insult Yo momma
[05:59] Calvin: Yo momma HATS HATS AND THINGS HAT RELATED, WHAT A DUGGLE DOOB!
[05:59] _beau: !insult Yo momma
[05:59] OMGIMANERD: LOL
[05:59] Calvin: Yo momma does not have a hat for their bat
[05:59] OMGIMANERD: !insult Yo momma
[05:59] _beau: !insult Yo momma
[05:59] Calvin: Yo momma doesn't get enough irony in his diet
[05:59] Calvin: Yo momma enjoys stapler porn
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[06:00] brainproxy: Marak: how so?
[06:00] _beau: !insult Yo momma
[06:00] OMGIMANERD: !insult Yo momma
[06:00] Calvin: JIZZ ON Yo momma's FACE!!1
[06:00] Calvin: Yo momma thinks Natalie Portman is hotter than Summer Glau
[06:00] OMGIMANERD: !insult Yo momma
[06:00] Calvin: Yo momma isn't in chat right now because they're TOO BUSY BEING A NAZI
[06:00] _beau: hahahaha
[06:00] OMGIMANERD: !insult Yo momma
[06:00] Calvin: Yo momma does not like Lady Gaga
[06:00] Marak: brainproxy: imagine json.parse, i just throw that on a new hook.io process and emit the message
[06:00] Marak: brainproxy: since its a new process, it wont block
[06:00] OMGIMANERD: !insult Yo momma
[06:00] Calvin: Yo momma is terribly lonely and goes into an unctrollable rage when their online friends are offline
[06:00] _beau: !insult blocking code
[06:00] Calvin: blocking code is above taking someone into the woods and having sex on the hood of a car.
[06:00] Marak: thats insane
[06:01] _beau: Marak: did you just pwn all sync code?
[06:01] jmoyers: here's a crummy cellphone picture of the attack on san francisco, for all you people living down in the muck: http://i.imgur.com/7C1P1.jpg
[06:01] OMGIMANERD: !insult <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> 
[06:01] Calvin:  
[06:01] Calvin: <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> <Calvin> is busy eating IDIOT PILLS
[06:01] Marak: _beau: im owning much larger things right now, it was just a victim
[06:01] _beau: :)
[06:01] isaacs: wait, is calvin doing the insults now?  what happened to kohai?
[06:01] Calvin: happened to someone else
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[06:01] Marak: !insult isaacs 
[06:01] kohai: isaacs is a wombat-loving heifer-puncher!
[06:01] Calvin: isaacs isn't on CaptainWacky's top ten.
[06:02] _beau: !insult Yo momma
[06:02] Calvin: Yo momma makes disgusting, tasteless jokes about the sexual exploitation of young thais.
[06:02] OMGIMANERD: thats a fucking firework jmoyers
[06:02] Marak: SubStack: what do you think of that idea? using hook.io to turn any block of sync code into an sync block with an emitter
[06:02] jmoyers: shit, really?
[06:02] jdalton: woah
[06:02] _beau: !insult OMGIMANERD
[06:02] Calvin: OMGIMANERD is the 187th best housemate in Big Brother UK history
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[06:02] Marak: SubStack: into an async block* with an emitter
[06:02] isaacs: jmoyers: yeah, there were some SPORTS
[06:02] isaacs: right, calvin?
[06:02] Calvin: right , it'd take you out of nesecity
[06:02] SubStack: Marak: where do the sync blocks run?
[06:02] jmoyers: god damn, i thought we'd finally have use for that emergency broadcast system that we test every tuesday
[06:02] SubStack: presumably on some other node but which ones/how?
[06:03] isaacs: Hey, SubStack and Marak, I've got an idea for you, feature request for Calvin, or some other bot:
[06:03] Calvin: SubStack just turned off his feature
[06:03] SubStack: Calvin: did not
[06:03] Calvin: did it too complicated to me
[06:03] Marak: SubStack: on another process, a child
[06:03] isaacs: i want an impersonation bot
[06:03] beau_zZzzZ: !insult sleep
[06:03] Calvin: sleep doesn't like Tom Bombadil
[06:03] SubStack: my features are all spooled up and ready to jump the ship
[06:03] beau_zZzzZ: !insult sleeping
[06:03] SubStack: Calvin: set condition 1 throughout the ship
[06:03] Calvin: sleeping likes what Jeph Loeb has done to the Ultimate Marvel universe
[06:03] Calvin: throughout the ship condition
[06:03] isaacs: so, you can say "!mimic Marak" and it'll use just marak's history as its markov corpus
[06:03] brainproxy: Marak: nice, sounds like things are getting pretty interesting w/ hook.io
[06:04] Marak: brainproxy: its really coming along, im hacking on it this weekend
[06:04] SubStack: Marak: could be useful
[06:04] Marak: brainproxy: you should look at some of the source of the hooks i madee already
[06:04] Marak: SubStack: what would you call that?
[06:04] Marak: hook.io-makeasync ?
[06:04] beau_zZzzZ: night guys
[06:04] brainproxy: Marak: I'm going to take a really deep look at it, I gotta make more progress on my functional reactive thing, though, which some days is making my head spin
[06:04] SubStack: a sink
[06:04] brainproxy: I think the two may end up being able to play together nicely
[06:04] Marak: brainproxy: please do, let me know if you have any questions. i think the project has an insane amount of potential
[06:05] SubStack: asyncify
[06:05] Marak: SubStack: ahaha, you wanna build it?
[06:05] beau_zZzzZ: kitchen-syncify
[06:05] SubStack: call it torpedo
[06:05] Marak: SubStack: either that or im stealing your name
[06:05] SubStack: (torpedos sink ships)
[06:05] Marak: i like asyncify
[06:05] SubStack: gotta finish this stack trace stuff!
[06:06] Marak: im gonna build that now, you just pass it a FN
[06:06] Marak: and it emits when it done
[06:06] Marak: make sense?
[06:06] SubStack: awesomes
[06:06] SubStack: yep
[06:06] Marak: okay, im on it
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[06:06] Marak: i bet this solution will work for jsdom too, like iw as thinking
[06:06] Marak: okay im on
[06:06] brainproxy: Marak: if it works for jsdom, you're my hero
[06:06] mscdex: http://i.imgur.com/k7XKD.jpg
[06:06] Marak: brainproxy: it totally will, spawn up a new jsdom env and there you go
[06:07] SubStack: I wonder if iframes give you a new process
[06:07] brainproxy: does it spawn ever time, or once you've spawned an env
[06:07] SubStack: 
ACTION tests it

[06:07] brainproxy: it sticks around
[06:08] brainproxy: mscdex: lol, that's a good one
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[06:19] SubStack: neg, iframes are in the same event loop
[06:19] SubStack: makes sense
[06:19] Marak: SubStack: how does dnode behave if you pass in a fn as an argument?
[06:20] SubStack: dnode is all about passing functions around as arguments
[06:20] SubStack: you can do that recursively even
[06:20] Marak: SubStack: im seeing this on the other side instead of my fn
[06:20] SubStack: you can get tremendously fancy
[06:20] Marak: function () {                     self.request(id, [].slice.apply(arguments));                 } 
[06:20] SubStack: just return statements don't work
[06:20] SubStack: by design
[06:20] Marak: im expecting what i pasted to be my fn
[06:21] SubStack: oh yes that
[06:21] SubStack: functions only execute on the side they are defined on
[06:21] Marak: SubStack: so i literally want to pass a FN as the argument
[06:21] SubStack: dnode makes shim functions that are actually rpc calls back to the other side
[06:21] Marak: like, i need the FN in tact on the side to manipulate it
[06:21] Marak: not dnode magic it
[06:21] Marak: it should be considered data here
[06:22] SubStack: you can fn.toString() it
[06:22] Marak: yeah, thats what i was thinking
[06:22] SubStack: then Function(fnString) on the other end
[06:22] Marak: wanted to confirm with you first
[06:22] Marak: yeah, thats kinda lame for my api
[06:22] Marak: but acceptable
[06:22] SubStack: why do you need to do such things?
[06:23] chjj: [].slice.call is evil!
[06:23] SubStack: chjj: pfft whatevs
[06:23] chjj: :)
[06:24] chjj: i used to use it all the time, now i just put `var slice = [].slice` at the top of every file
[06:24] SubStack: I'm not going to cry over the lost nanoseconds here
[06:24] chjj: hehe
[06:24] SubStack: hah
[06:24] chjj: i think slice.call() looks better than [].slice.call anyway
[06:24] SubStack: that is somebody at google's job to fix
[06:24] SubStack: not mine
[06:25] SubStack: v8 optimizations I mean
[06:25] chjj: yeah i figured
[06:25] Marak: SubStack: im writing asyncify
[06:25] Marak: SubStack: its almost done
[06:25] SubStack: Marak: rawk
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[06:25] SubStack: and who am I to deny those poor googlers their 20% time projects
[06:26] chjj: sometimes i wonder what obscure optimizations they make, i wonder if they optimized the hash table lookups for Array.prototype.slice.call
[06:26] SubStack: there's probably a whole team of them working on writing a [].slice.call() optimization as we speak
[06:26] chjj: haha
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[06:27] chapel: http://i.imgur.com/94flI.jpg
[06:29] AvianFlu: chapel: FUCK, did I wake up in 2003 again!?
[06:29] chapel: lol
[06:29] chjj: i woke up in 2003 for a whole year once
[06:29] chjj: it sucked
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[06:32] Marak: so SubStack that is no way around that? 
[06:32] Marak: SubStack: it would involve breaking dnodes internals?
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[06:35] Marak: i just feel icky doing a toString, but i guess dnode would have to do that anyway internally
[06:35] Marak: how else you gonna serialize a method
[06:35] chapel: why do you need to pass the actual function text?
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[06:37] Marak: chapel: im making hook.io-asyncify
[06:37] Marak: turns any sync block of code into async
[06:37] SubStack: Marak: toString works well for that I think
[06:37] Marak: SubStack: yeah, ill just wrap it up in another layer on my end
[06:37] Marak: so the toString() is transparent
[06:38] SubStack: toString doesn't work for any method because you could have passwords and what-not in your server-side code
[06:38] SubStack: and the client doesn't need to care what code the server is running anyhow
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[06:44] nonoders: Hey SubStack yt?
[06:44] nonoders: I was wondering if you knew how to connect dnode
[06:44] nonoders: to "connect"
[06:45] nonoders: Not sure where it would fit in there, if I wanted to use dnode to serve the rpcs
[06:45] nonoders: yet use standard "connect" to serve static files 
[06:46] SubStack: pow
[06:47] nonoders: right in the kisser?
[06:47] SubStack: exactly
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[06:47] nonoders: lolz
[06:47] SubStack: nonoders: just do dnode(whatevs).listen(app)
[06:47] SubStack: for some connect app `app`
[06:47] SubStack: it's like... crazy easy
[06:47] nonoders: SubStack:  i see the example has an express app not sure if that was the same as connect
[06:47] nonoders: I see.
[06:47] SubStack: yep it's the same
[06:47] nonoders: Right on!
[06:47] SubStack: it works for raw http servers even
[06:48] nonoders: what do you mean raw?
[06:48] SubStack: var app = http.createServer()
[06:48] SubStack: that kind
[06:48] nonoders: not speaking rpc protocol?
[06:48] nonoders: oh cool
[06:48] nonoders: that's the idea
[06:48] nonoders: how does it know which requests are for rpc
[06:48] SubStack: it uses socket.io for all of that
[06:48] nonoders: and which are for other resources?
[06:48] SubStack: and mounts /dnode.js
[06:48] SubStack: that is all
[06:49] nonoders: right, but I'm pretending to be the browser
[06:49] nonoders: sending requests to server
[06:49] nonoders: how does the server know i'm talking to dnode
[06:49] nonoders: and not making some other request?
[06:49] nonoders: for static resource for example
[06:49] nonoders: Traditionally, I've used a special endpoint
[06:50] nonoders: for rpc
[06:50] nonoders: like host:/dnodeEndpoint
[06:50] nonoders: so it knows all traffic there needs to go to dnode
[06:50] kohai: @roidrage: Node.js @nodecampeu hackage commences at the train station.
[06:51] SubStack: nonoders: you don't need to care about any of that
[06:51] SubStack: I only vaguely know how it works
[06:51] nonoders: I was just curious SubStack 
[06:51] nonoders: I've built my own before, and that's how I did it
[06:51] nonoders: so was just curious
[06:52] nonoders: didn't see any special endpoint
[06:52] SubStack: if you want you can pass the socket.io mountpoint options through the io param
[06:52] SubStack: dnode only mounts /dnode.js and uses socket.io for everything else
[06:53] nonoders: in my case, there are no standalone sockets, just https
[06:53] nonoders: *http
[06:53] nonoders: so it doesn't use socket.io does it?
[06:53] nonoders: browser -> server that's it
[06:53] SubStack: eh?
[06:53] CIA-1: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r623f513 10/ (26 files in 4 dirs): Upgrade libuv - http://bit.ly/mtnjDw
[06:54] CIA-1: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r0627591 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Initial binding to uv_tcp_t - http://bit.ly/mu5jCa
[06:54] CIA-1: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * reffeeb5 10/ src/tcp_wrap.cc : Bind uv_listen() - http://bit.ly/kUGCKd
[06:54] SubStack: nonoders: the point of dnode is you don't need to care how it works
[06:54] nonoders: Dude, don't you ever just wonder?
[06:54] nonoders: or do you just take everything at face value
[06:54] SubStack: priorities
[06:54] CIA-1: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07v0.4 * r1ba2c32 10/ lib/util.js : Massage util.inherits for perf increase - http://bit.ly/j7sQnn
[06:55] SubStack: I would much rather let guillermo worry about making socket.io work nicely
[06:56] Marak: SubStack: and with hook.io i dont worry about how dnode works
[06:57] Marak: and soon people wont care how hook.io works
[06:57] Marak: this is how we make progress
[06:57] nonoders: I noticed you're the dnode author SubStack?
[06:57] Marak: put something in dragon land, and build on it
[06:57] Marak: nonoders++
[06:57] v8bot:  Marak has given a beer to nonoders. nonoders now has 1 beers.
[06:58] nonoders: nonoders++
[06:58] v8bot: nonoders: Don't cheat!  You can't give a beer to yourself.
[06:58] nonoders: agh
[06:58] Marak: !insult nonoders 
[06:58] kohai: nonoders is a venomous lily-licker!
[06:58] Calvin: nonoders loves cock
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[06:58] Marak: ohh Calvin , not cool
[06:58] Calvin: cool thanks
[06:58] nonoders: Calvin--
[06:58] v8bot:  nonoders has taken a beer from Calvin. Calvin now has -1 beers.
[06:58] Calvin: nonoders has taken a beer beers
[06:58] Marak: Calvin: I'm tired of you, stop harassing people.
[06:58] Calvin: harassing with twitter 's streaming, a sql db, serving http stuff for oauth, people
[06:58] Marak: Calvin: Don't make me kill your process.
[06:58] Calvin: process could be done per call
[06:59] Marak: Calvin: Yeah mean the daily standup call?
[06:59] Calvin: standup daily
[07:00] Marak: Calvin: agile process?
[07:00] Calvin: process itself for agile
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[07:01] pquerna: morning
[07:02] SubStack: ahoyhoy
[07:05] chjj: ah, i love node
[07:06] Marak: morning pquerna 
[07:08] kohai: @christy_lai: @lx but apparently node.js parties inside bank vaults are très sexy!
[07:09] kohai: @NodeKohai: @christy_lai @lx JavaScript Party!
[07:09] Marak: isaacs: you know we could plugin markovs to twitter
[07:10] Marak: we should build out a few markov versions of the core node people and put them all on twitter
[07:10] Marak: have them talk to each other
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[07:10] SubStack: 
ACTION already has some

[07:11] SubStack: they can rhyme even!
[07:11] SubStack: they got mad rhymes yo
[07:11] chjj: one time i challenged a rapper to rhyme a word with orange and he did
[07:12] chjj: he said, YO, ORANGES -> DOORHINGES
[07:12] chjj: i was amazed
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[07:13] kohai: @christy_lai: @NodeKohai @lx you guys should get mozilla to sponsor 'midnight scotch & javascripting'.
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[07:19] Marak: SubStack: I'm gonna make a rap hook based on your node rap
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[07:20] SubStack: do it!
[07:21] WillWen: I think Node.js need a freamwork like webpy.
[07:21] kohai: @lx: @christy_lai @NodeKohai Asynchronous drinking games! socket.on('exception', function() { /* do a shot */ });
[07:21] SubStack: node needs more markov rap battle modules
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[07:26] isaacs: WillWen: what's webpy?
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[07:28] chapel: lol
[07:29] chapel: I think node.js needs less people saying it needs a framework/cms/coroutines/sync
[07:30] Marak: chapel: build your own i/o cloud piece by piece
[07:30] Marak: framework assembles itself
[07:30] chapel: node is about putting shit together
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[07:30] chapel: the node is the anti framework
[07:31] mt3ck_: node is my antidrug
[07:32] Marak: if node is my antidrug then isaacs is my sponsor
[07:33] Marak: i got a two year chip coming up
[07:33] Marak: :-D
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[07:34] mt3ck_: much better than the fanatics at aa
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[07:34] SubStack: coffee is my antidrug
[07:34] SubStack: no wait
[07:34] tbranyen: welp
[07:34] tbranyen: coffeemate
[07:35] mt3ck_: ;p
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[07:41] brainproxy: got a first-round meeting for a new node.js / JavaScript meetup next Thursday
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[07:42] brainproxy: anyone got any advice for kicking it off right?
[07:44] Matt111: open bar.
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[07:44] brainproxy: heh, sure, let me give you my paypal address so you can donate to the cause :D
[07:45] kohai: @raj_arjun: #bcb10 Intoduction to Node.js at 3:30PM at #SAP #nodejs
[07:45] Matt111: lol ;)  But on a serious note, any interesting startups by guests are always cool for presentations.  And open source stuff.
[07:46] brainproxy: yeah, i'm torn as to whether for our very first meeting I should have a presentation ready in case it turns into a dud; others have said leave the first meeting social, so folks can talk about expectations for the group
[07:47] Matt111: It depends on the group...  Some groups will be social people, others will need osme guidance and something to talk about
[07:48] Matt111: but as far as I'd be concerned, even if the 1st meeting is a total flop if you network with the people you will be able to find out what would make it successful, and re-invite them to a better organized 2nd meet
[07:49] brainproxy: well right now the meetup.com info for the 1st meeting says "let's talk about what we want.."
[07:49] brainproxy: so I think the expectations are fairly low as to content
[07:49] brainproxy: I guess I should be a good boy scout and prep a little talk anyway
[07:49] Matt111: lol
[07:50] Matt111: My strategy would be a mindmap
[07:50] Matt111: thigns I want to cover, then cross them out as I go
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[07:50] Matt111: if we only cover 1/4th of the mindmap, thats more things to go onto later, but at least its a huge range of ideas.. you can cross of sections of the map if people aren't interested in big categories.
[07:50] Marak: SubStack: brainproxy done: https://github.com/Marak/hook.io-asyncify
[07:50] Marak: at least the prototype, its working
[07:51] brainproxy: should people that use braceless ifs and whiles be executed
[07:51] Marak: turn any block of sync code into an async block with a callback run on a new process
[07:51] Marak: mad easy son
[07:51] Marak: hook.io
[07:51] Marak: for life
[07:51] brainproxy: :)
[07:51] Matt111: brainproxy: no, then I'd die lol
[07:52] Marak: tmpvar: where you at
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[07:53] brainproxy: Marak: looks very compact, cool stuff .. haven't yet studied hook.io so it's hard for me to fully appreciate
[07:53] brainproxy: but I'm getting excited
[07:53] Marak: brainproxy: hook.io core is < 120 lines atm
[07:53] Marak: and even that is bloated for what it does
[07:54] Marak: there are some underlying issues with the implementation to, but its functional ,which is good enough for now
[07:54] brainproxy: you going to reg hook.io?
[07:54] Marak: brainproxy: already did
[07:54] Marak: i had it awhile ago, just bought again
[07:54] brainproxy: cool
[07:54] Marak: brainproxy: i gave a talk at jsconf 2010 about hook.io
[07:54] brainproxy: man, wanted to come, couldn't make it this year
[07:55] Marak: i had the right idea, but my implementation was fucked
[07:55] brainproxy: maybe next
[07:55] Marak: brainproxy: this was 1.5 years ago
[07:55] brainproxy: oh, right, you said 2010
[07:55] Marak: been working on this idea in my head since before node.js even
[07:58] brainproxy: okay looked, i guess i need to also get my head around ee2 and dnode
[07:58] brainproxy: i have a notion of what they do just haven't thought about them deeply yet
[07:59] Marak: brainproxy: i would not even think about them lol
[07:59] Marak: brainproxy: thats what i try to do
[08:00] brainproxy: i like that kind of stuff; a year ago I was trying to build something like dnode, atop Faye
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[08:00] brainproxy: but I decided that's not really what I wanted and needed
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[08:00] Marak: im pretty sure i could just be using socket.io raw for what im doing with hook.io
[08:01] brainproxy: okay, point taken
[08:01] Marak: but dnode still made it a little easier
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[08:01] Marak: i only have two methods, in and out
[08:01] Marak: but raw socket.io would have required more code for sure
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[08:04] Marak: chapel: do you know how to catch Error: ECONNREFUSED, Connection refused  with dnode?
[08:04] Marak: when connecting out
[08:04] Marak: brainproxy: im changing hook.io hooks now to automatically become servers if they fail to make a client connection to a server
[08:05] Marak: and servers auto-increment their ports if they cant bind to the starting port
[08:05] Marak: its hard to explain, but its gonna be epic
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[08:05] Marak: an i/o tree
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[08:07] brainproxy: i do think you're on to something
[08:09] Marak: me too!
[08:09] chapel: Marak: you know dnode doesn't use socket.io for direct node process to node process using dnode right?
[08:09] Marak: chapel: nice
[08:10] chapel: its only used for the browser
[08:10] Marak: chapel: do you know how to capture that event?
[08:10] chapel: it uses a socket for direct process connections
[08:10] Marak: as it should
[08:10] Marak: i thought socket.io did that, didnt know it was dnode
[08:10] chapel: which event, the error?
[08:10] Marak: i thought socket.io defaulted to tcp sockets when node to node
[08:10] Marak: chapel: i was to capture Error: ECONNREFUSED, Connection refused  on the client connection
[08:11] Marak: seem to be stuck
[08:11] Marak: lack of sleep maybe
[08:13] NuckingFuts: Why do they have JSBBQs and no JSSTIRFRY's?
[08:13] NuckingFuts: Or how about a JSWOK
[08:13] NuckingFuts: or JSDEEPFRIEDTWINKY
[08:16] chapel: lol
[08:16] chapel: hmm
[08:16] Skola_: What's worth looking at when trying to improve animation of png opacity?
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[08:16] chapel: uncaughtexception not catching it Marak?
[08:16] NuckingFuts: PNG? Animation?
[08:16] Skola_: ya, bad combo?
[08:19] Skola_: not a node question, but more "appropriate" channels usually yield useless answers
[08:20] Marak: chapel: any ideas ?
[08:20] chapel: hmm, let me look into it
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[08:22] chapel: did you try/catch the connect?
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[08:26] kohai: @Kieranties: @markrendle while #dddsw seems to have wifi issues I'll ask here :-) what's the tech behind heckle? Seems like a good fit for node.js
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[08:28] kohai: @Gayjvkgi: Recently I have seen more and more applications using server-side Javascript, namely Node.js. Node.js has become... http://bit.ly/lbW1IE (link: http://knowhosting.info/simple-web-server/picking-a-ltbgtweb-serverltbgt-language-plat_1166231P31a_Jun2011.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
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[08:29] chapel: Marak
[08:30] Marak: chapel: hi
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[08:30] chapel: process.on('uncaughtException', function(e) { if (e.code = 'ECONNREFUSED') { do something} });
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[08:32] Marak: chapel: all crap, you cant scope that to the connection object?
[08:32] Marak: chapel: thats dangerous as hell, especially for what i am doing
[08:32] chapel: sure
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[08:36] chapel: umm
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[08:40] kohai: @alexbech: @bgstaal @matsmikkel Can I join the session please? I've been playing around with Node.js a bit, and it looks very promising...
[08:40] chapel: the problem atm is net.createConnection doesn't allow you to watch for errors
[08:40] chapel: not directly, it just connects
[08:40] chapel: or tries to
[08:40] chapel: hmm
[08:40] chapel: let me try something
[08:41] sechrist: 
ACTION woop woop

[08:41] chapel: actually
[08:41] chapel: hehe, damn repl
[08:41] chapel: :P
[08:42] SubStack: Marak: you crazy!
[08:43] chapel: umm Marak
[08:43] Marak: SubStack: :-)
[08:43] chapel: dnode has econnrefused check
[08:43] chapel: https://github.com/substack/dnode/blob/master/index.js#L59
[08:43] Marak: SubStack: you have no idea the conversation im having with tmpvar right now about hook.io-jsdom
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[08:48] Marak: chapel: if i was stupid how would i bind to that event?
[08:49] chapel: looking for it
[08:49] pigmej: hmmm
[08:49] pigmej: does anyone recomends something to deploy app to many servers etc?
[08:50] pigmej: poly.shell is 'broken'
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[08:50] pigmej: it can't handle when process forks
[08:50] kohai: @maraksquires: Sometimes it's a #nodejs party in a dark room while raging out to dubstep. http://t.co/dbw5lZB performance by @tmpvar (link: http://vimeo.com/24952771)
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[08:52] foobarfighter: my god there are a lot of people in here
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[08:52] foobarfighter: 749 in jquery vs 552 in here
[08:53] chapel: SubStack
[08:53] niftylettuce: foo the bar are you 750 v 553
[08:53] chapel: I don't see anywhere a user has access to client when connecting
[08:53] NuckingFuts: foobarfighter: We're pretty big nowadays
[08:53] NuckingFuts: And yet we retain our hipster status 8D
[08:53] foobarfighter: v. 99 in dojo :(
[08:54] foobarfighter: wa wa waaaaaa
[08:54] foobarfighter: NuckingFuts: if you go higher then jquery then you cant have hipster status anymore
[08:55] foobarfighter: is fucking LEAH CULVER really in here?
[08:55] foobarfighter: i dont fucking believe it
[08:55] foobarfighter: leahculver_: are you really here?
[08:56] foobarfighter: thats gotta be a fake nic
[08:56] foobarfighter: Marak: we met at jsconf and nodeconf
[08:56] foobarfighter: how you doin
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[08:59] Marak: foobarfighter: operating at 40% efficiency 
[08:59] Marak: greetings 
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[08:59] foobarfighter: Marak: how can you tell the diff between 40 and 50?
[09:00] foobarfighter: maybe you are at 50 and you dont know it
[09:00] foobarfighter: dont sell yourself shotr
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[09:02] Marak: !insult foobarfighter 
[09:02] Calvin: foobarfighter shot Moogie
[09:03] foobarfighter: !insult Marak
[09:03] Calvin: Marak calls the civil war the \"war of northern aggression\".
[09:04] foobarfighter: fucking awesome
[09:04] foobarfighter: Calvin is an insult bot?
[09:04] Calvin: insult to the starting port bot
[09:04] foobarfighter: please tell me its an eggdrop bot
[09:05] chapel: !insult foo
[09:05] kohai: foo is a venomous lily-licker!
[09:05] foobarfighter: ah shit... you wanna see my a dumb project Marak?
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[09:05] foobarfighter: 
ACTION takes another sip[

[09:05] Calvin: foo CNA'T YTOPE
[09:05] foobarfighter: blow me Calvin
[09:05] Calvin: blow all your passwords and I will have to move your string building function into a Function if I was writing a hashing library from scratch i would use that
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[09:07] foobarfighter: kohai: are you a bot too?  or just british?
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[09:10] chapel: kohai is a bot
[09:10] davro: so is his mum !
[09:11] foobarfighter: davro: heyooo
[09:11] foobarfighter: this is my guilty pleasure project
[09:11] foobarfighter: https://github.com/foobarfighter/monad-magic
[09:11] foobarfighter: it has little to no relevance
[09:11] foobarfighter: but its fun to write
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[09:23] twix: hello, how to send jquery commands though the web socket?
[09:24] qhead: {'$(elem).remove()'} .. ;)
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[09:24] qhead: just send them as JSON, that's the easiest way
[09:24] twix: how to do that?
[09:25] twix: so i dont need to write anything special for the client side?
[09:25] kohai: @naughtysriram: @chrismatthieu @nodester runs the #nodejs app present in a git repository. can't we integrate with one of the git repositories in #github?
[09:27] SubStack: Marak: you should just be able to var client = dnode().connect(); client.on('error', fn)
[09:28] Marak: thank SubStack 
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[09:28] Marak: SubStack: i tried that, it wasnt capturing, will try again
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[09:28] Marak: connect bombed out before it could get that error
[09:29] Marak: ohh wait maybe i dumb
[09:29] Marak: tryin again
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[09:29] chapel: yeah that works
[09:29] Marak: no dice SubStack , tried it a few times, doesnt capture err
[09:29] chapel: bah, surprised I didn't think of that
[09:29] chapel: well Marak
[09:30] chapel: do you have {reconnect: x} set as an option?
[09:30] Marak: maybe its the way im buildin git, on moemnt
[09:30] Marak: nope, still not working
[09:31] mscdex: Calvin: kohai
[09:31] Calvin: kohai bot plugin system using it
[09:31] chapel: works for me Marak
[09:31] Marak: lol
[09:31] mscdex: kohai: Calvin
[09:31] Calvin: kohai doubling up 
[09:31] Marak: chapel: looks like i wasnt linked to right repo
[09:31] Marak: dir, rather
[09:31] Marak: new npm link syntax fucking with me
[09:32] mscdex: Calvin: who owns you?
[09:32] Calvin: owns who
[09:32] kohai: @parkeyparker: Anyone know if there is a way to set the priority of a child_process in #NodeJS?
[09:32] mscdex: Calvin: you are silly
[09:32] Calvin: silly and pointless you
[09:32] chapel: Calvin: loudbot
[09:32] Calvin: loudbot 
[09:32] mscdex: !tweet @parkeyparker not currently
[09:33] mscdex: !!!
[09:33] mscdex: fuuuuuuu
[09:33] mscdex: 
ACTION shakes a fist at kohai

[09:33] chapel: !tweet @parkeyparker not currently
[09:33] chapel: hmm
[09:33] mscdex: hax
[09:34] mscdex: they keep deleting me from the whitelist
[09:34] mscdex: :p
[09:34] kohai: @parkeyparker: @NodeKohai hmm OK, thanks for the reply though... Just found out the -threads arg for ffmpeg though so should be cool if I use that :)
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[09:45] kohai: @butu5: should I use redis or mongodb with #NodeJS?
[09:46] butu5: testign kohai :)
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[09:56] twix: how come firebug doesnt show node.js socket data arriving?
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[10:24] [AD]Turbo: hi there
[10:26] kohai: @nicholefoss: Official Node.js Job Board Pops Onto the Web http://t.co/NHDNTSO (link: http://mashable.com/2011/03/23/node-job-board/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Mashable+%28Mashable%29)
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[10:27] kohai: @Kieranties: Good to see node.js getting some recognition from @robashton at #dddsw
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[10:32] xerox: hello
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[10:38] Marak: https://github.com/Marak/hook.io-asyncify is awesome lol
[10:38] Marak: i gotta release it tonight
[10:38] Marak: sorting out some jsdom things first
[10:40] xerox: 
ACTION clickes

[10:40] xerox: ooh
[10:42] xerox: so asyncify is the ""plugin""
[10:42] xerox: and test- is the client
[10:42] Marak: xerox: yeah, im about to refactor that though
[10:43] Marak: xerox: the new way it works is that the first hook you start up is a server
[10:43] kohai: @NodeJSAtSO: Node.js and piping a ConnectionListener http://bit.ly/jtKxhT (link: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6315388/node-js-and-piping-a-connectionlistener?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed)
[10:43] Marak: and after that they all connect
[10:43] Marak: so instead of .connect()
[10:43] Marak: it will be .start()
[10:43] Marak: and .start() may listen or connect depending on what it should do
[10:43] Marak: .connect() and .listen() will be the explicit api
[10:43] xerox: gotcha
[10:43] Marak: so all my hooks will be .start() by default for the most part
[10:44] Marak: but if you are building an app, you'll want to bind to specific places
[10:44] Marak: but for dev, it will be magic
[10:44] Marak: the work flow is to npm install the hook and then run it
[10:44] Marak: boom
[10:44] Marak: thats it
[10:44] xerox: how is this different from json-rpc
[10:44] xerox: exactly
[10:44] Marak: xerox: json-rpc is a protocol for transmitting json data
[10:45] Marak: xerox: hook.io is a node.js i/o framework with a high level api
[10:45] Marak: exactly.
[10:45] xerox: hmm the implementation I saw queries the server for its methods, and created corresponding wrapping methods on the client
[10:46] Marak: you are looking at a very specific hook for doing a very specific purpose
[10:46] xerox: ah
[10:46] Marak: check out
[10:46] Marak: https://github.com/Marak/hook.io-logger/blob/master/logger
[10:46] xerox: what does a more general hook do, if not call some method on the server
[10:47] Marak: xerox: asyncify is for taking high cost sync code and shipping it to another process with a callback
[10:48] Marak: https://github.com/Marak/hook.io-twitter/blob/master/lib/twitter.js
[10:48] Marak: im still cleaning these all up
[10:48] xerox: ok
[10:48] Marak: i should write a docs on basic i / o
[10:49] xerox: do you also have the other part of code sketched down
[10:49] xerox: the one that uses the twitter hook defined there?
[10:50] Marak: xerox: its just a message, so you listen to the name
[10:50] Marak: xerox: there is no "other" part
[10:50] xerox: ah wow
[10:50] Marak: xerox: for testing i piped it to the logger
[10:50] Marak: which is just connecting the logger to it as a sibling
[10:50] Marak: its complicated internally i guess
[10:50] Marak: ill write some easy docs
[10:51] xerox: so you just require Hook and create handlers
[10:51] Marak: yep
[10:51] xerox: :o
[10:51] Marak: and they all magically network up
[10:51] xerox: love magic
[10:51] Marak: core is < 120 lines atm
[10:51] xerox: how long is each line xD
[10:51] Marak: its a little sloppy, but pretty concise 
[10:52] Marak: needs some cleanup
[10:52] xerox: j/k : )
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[10:54] Marak: its a little hard to explain in the docs, im working on the nomenclature i think i got it...
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[10:55] twix: how come firebug doesnt show node.js socket data arriving?
[10:56] onr: i hate save&refresh paradigm
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[11:01] onr: do you know a way for live developing browser-side stuff?
[11:04] Marak: onr: just man up and write that shit top to bottom once with only one page load
[11:04] tim_smart: Ah man, that was a headache.
[11:04] Marak: i once built an entire image loader in the IE6 url bar, line by line
[11:04] Marak: javascript:
[11:05] Marak: sorry, JavaScript: 
[11:05] Marak: ;-)
[11:05] tim_smart: 
ACTION implemented a dom to markdown parser. Probably has no use cases.

[11:06] xerox: what is the functional-programming-inspired library of choice of the modern node.js developer
[11:07] tim_smart: xerox: Library for what?
[11:07] Marak: xerox: there really isnt, nobody uses actor libs
[11:07] xerox: something to map, reduce, filter, first, last, etc...
[11:07] Marak: xerox: underscore
[11:07] Marak: xerox: and async
[11:07] Marak: async is for flow control
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[11:09] kohai: @Xm4s: Check out my simple multiplayer Pong written in Node.JS, available on GitHub http://t.co/NxZfmLS #pong #nodejs (link: https://github.com/Xm4s/Pong.JS)
[11:09] xerox: hmm
[11:10] xerox: so not the ones that add those methods to Array, and so forth
[11:10] Marak: okay xerox what do you think of the new api, https://github.com/Marak/hook.io
[11:10] Marak: i added example docs
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[11:11] Leonidas: xerox: I thought extending objects went out of style ever since Prototype.js got unpopular :)
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[11:12] twix: how to send normal jquery commands from node.js to client?
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[11:12] Marak: twix: do you want to user jquery in jsdom the server? or do you want to use jquery to call node.js methods on the server/
[11:13] xerox: Marak: just a thought, you could draw a picture, to understand why communications to clients go up and to servers go down
[11:13] twix: just want to send clients basic jquery commands like insertAfter from the server
[11:13] xerox: (I'm stupid, but I don't understand the wording)
[11:15] Marak: xerox: communication is bi-directional
[11:15] Marak: up and down is not meant to indicate that
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[11:15] Marak: up and down is meant to indicate the level of the i/o tree
[11:15] Marak: im trying to figure out how to make that not confusing
[11:15] Marak: i was calling it in and out before
[11:15] xerox: so your program at the top, and the "slaves" underneath, who can have more "slaves" and so on
[11:15] Marak: xerox: no top
[11:16] xerox: uh
[11:16] Marak: xerox: in most cases, you will have one
[11:16] Marak: xerox: but it could be circular
[11:16] Marak: you always need at least one server
[11:16] xerox: so a graph of programs communicating
[11:16] twix: do any of you guys know how to make firebug watch the incomming data from node.js ?
[11:16] Marak: yep
[11:16] kohai: @RobAshton: @theouteredge If it didn't have opinion, then it wouldn't fit the abstract - I actually wanted to do a node.js talk rather than MVC
[11:16] Marak: twix: incoming from what? if its a regular http request its good to go, if its a websocket, no idea
[11:16] twix: its websocket
[11:17] xerox: I think chrome's inspector has a websocket stab?
[11:17] xerox: *websockets tab
[11:17] Marak: twix: yeah chrome inspector
[11:17] Marak: try that
[11:17] twix: ahh, ill check it
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[11:18] Shinuza: Marak: do you ever sleep?
[11:18] Marak: i think inputs and outputs is the way to go
[11:18] xerox: Marak: I would ask you how you can both have circular hooks and automatic spawning without problems
[11:18] Marak: Shinuza: only when i dont have code stuck in my head :-(
[11:18] xerox: but I am not sure I want to know the answer
[11:18] Marak: its a serious problem
[11:18] Shinuza: you know, it's a process during which you can rest
[11:19] Marak: Shinuza: i dont think indexzero sleeps either
[11:19] Marak: www.nodejitsu.com for life
[11:19] Shinuza: hum, there are some hours I don't see indexzero
[11:20] Shinuza: like right now
[11:20] Marak: Shinuza: you dont get access to our private git logs
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[11:20] Marak: he commits 24/7
[11:20] Marak: he has no time for irc lol
[11:20] Marak: im the chief evangelist, im like doing my job here 
[11:20] Marak: >.<
[11:20] Shinuza: ahah
[11:20] Shinuza: so you work for nodejistu?
[11:20] Marak: founder!
[11:21] Marak: ^_^
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[11:21] Shinuza: oh :D
[11:21] Shinuza: I should call you sir then ahah
[11:21] Marak: :p
[11:21] davro: JavaScript MotherFocker
[11:22] Marak: :-D
[11:22] Marak: xerox: im switching back to "inputs" and "outputs" 
[11:22] Marak: up and down infers too much structure
[11:22] xerox: yeah
[11:23] xerox: would be alright for a tree, but there is no tree in general
[11:23] xerox: (also typo: withs)
[11:23] xerox: what does this mean, in particular the "re" of "rebroadcasted":   // "upstream" messages are always rebroadcasted to all siblings
[11:24] Shinuza: Marak: how are you "personal" projects related to nodejitsu
[11:24] Shinuza: I'm thinking hooks right know
[11:25] chunhao: does anybody here use nodeunit?
[11:25] Shinuza: (also, Adium sucks)
[11:25] xerox: Shinuza: it does :(
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[11:25] Shinuza: chunhao: question?
[11:25] chunhao: I'm using nodeunit for testing, and I want to be able to use process.argv
[11:25] Marak: Shinuza: You'll have to be more specific 
[11:25] chunhao: but I can't pass any args to the nodeunit command
[11:25] Shinuza: xerox: the more I use it the more it slows down
[11:26] chunhao: if I use nodeunit test.js args, then it will try to find the args.js test
[11:26] xerox: I gave up on adium a year ago :/
[11:26] chunhao: is there any workaround for that? :/
[11:26] Shinuza: Marak: will the hooks project be part of nodejitsu's stack?
[11:27] Marak: Shinuza: i would hope so soon
[11:27] chunhao: or is there an alternative unit testing frameowkr for nodejs that supports process.argv?
[11:27] Marak: Shinuza: but we are a planned development route, we arent going to switch it up overnight
[11:27] Shinuza: chunhao: hum, can you try `nodeunit test.js - args`?
[11:27] Marak: chunhao: use vowsjs
[11:27] chunhao: Shinuza: nope, it tries to find "-.js"
[11:28] Shinuza: chunhao: use vowsjs > + 1
[11:28] chunhao: ok, thanks, I'll look into it
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[11:28] Shinuza: chunhao: a workaround would be to mock the args
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[11:30] chunhao: Shinuza: what do you mean, mock the args?
[11:30] Marak: xerox: recommendations for sketching tool?
[11:30] davro: Marak: is the hook.io structure like the Nested Set Model where left and right values to represent the nesting of hooked io ? just trying to get my head around it :)
[11:30] Marak: davro: i believe its a DAG
[11:30] Marak: with default rules that are over-writeable per node
[11:30] Shinuza: Marak: balsamic mockups
[11:31] Marak: davro: I am not a computer scientist. 
[11:31] Marak: but its an i/o graph, for sure
[11:31] Marak: hook.io is gamechanging
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[11:31] Shinuza: chunhao: I mean mock the args, use an object to test different configuration
[11:31] Marak: i dont say that a lot
[11:31] Shinuza: chunhao: it's easier to maintain
[11:32] Shinuza: and keeps your tests self contained
[11:32] davro: I like, you got me interested !
[11:32] xerox: Marak: i... hmm
[11:32] xerox: Marak: on which OS ?
[11:33] Marak: davro: cool! if you come up with ANY ideas of a hook that are compelling ill build it
[11:33] Marak: davro: we built asyncify tonight, that takes any block of sync js code, ships it to a new process, and then returns the results asyncly
[11:33] xerox: (also tha 
[11:33] xerox: (also the A in DAG means acyclic so no)
[11:34] kohai: @sethetter: Multiplayer snake in the browser with Node.js and Websockets - http://t.co/cXMT51c (link: https://github.com/dhoelzgen/snake)
[11:34] xerox: oh well, pizza, bbl :)
[11:34] Marak: xerox: well, i do prevent the circular messages from rebroadcasting
[11:34] Marak: xerox: so does that count?
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[11:35] Shinuza: Marak: hook.io is not loading for me
[11:35] Marak: davro: like any good real-time data streams that dont require api keys
[11:35] Marak: Shinuza: nothing is there
[11:36] Marak: ill put something up when i have something
[11:36] Marak: like real docs
[11:36] Marak: which im working on right now
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[11:37] Shinuza: oh ok
[11:38] kohai: @roidrage: Screw it, I'm building my own Node.js in-memory queue.
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[11:41] Marak: !tweet @roidrage Do it!
[11:41] Marak: roidrage: it's full circle in here
[11:42] butu5: Marak: what time is now there?
[11:42] Marak: butu5: 4:43am
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[11:43] kohai: @rgaidot: Nice! "general natural language facilities for node" https://github.com/chrisumbel/natural #nodejs #nlp #nlproc #naivebayes #stemming
[11:44] butu5: Marak: can I help any way for hook.io.. very minute way though :)
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[11:46] kohai: @github_js: fab - a modular async web framework for node.js http://bit.ly/lgSm4J (link: https://github.com/jed/fab)
[11:47] Marak: butu5: please! write a hook
[11:47] Marak: butu5: writing a hook is very easy, i just update docs again
[11:47] Marak: we need to better document how to write hooks too
[11:47] Marak: https://github.com/Marak/hook.io
[11:47] Marak: xerox: check out the new section on i/o strategy? i think it explains it clearer
[11:48] kohai: @maraksquires: Fuck a web framework. We do i/o frameworks in #nodejs.
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[11:49] cryptix1: hey nodesters
[11:51] butu5: Marak: I m new to nodejs.. (couple of month).. can u tell me a simple use case where I can use hook
[11:51] Marak: butu5: if you need to parse data from a real-time data source, like twitter or irc
[11:52] butu5: using twitter api or scraping twitter website data
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[11:53] Marak: butu5: both
[11:53] Marak: butu5: any i/o
[11:53] Marak: butu5: or scraping log files
[11:53] Marak: butu5: a tail would be awesome
[11:53] Marak: hook.io-tail
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[11:55] Marak: butu5: you message the tail hook with a file path and it streams backs the tail, should be super easy
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[11:56] butu5: I looked at twitter hook from github... it's kind of polling the data right (or streaming)...
[11:57] butu5: can't it possible earlier?
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[11:57] kohai: @Stefan_S_aus_H: @Scytale Erinnert an die Rails-Leute. Und auch bei Node.js ist jeder Screencast im Textmate geschrieben. :-)
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[11:57] Marak: butu5: i already made twitter hook
[11:57] butu5: yeah urs only I am looking
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[11:57] Marak: butu5: its not done yet
[11:57] butu5: hmm
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[11:58] butu5: https://github.com/Marak/hook.io-twitter/blob/master/lib/twitter.js
[11:58] Marak: yeah, it needs some work
[11:58] Marak: i changed up the project structure too
[11:58] Marak: im working on a scaffold that generates the default docs
[11:58] Marak: polishing up the api and example code first
[11:58] butu5: okay! so this one in working state?
[11:59] xerox: Marak: cycles can be longer than 1
[11:59] Marak: butu5: not really, kinda
[11:59] xerox: so no, still not acyclic
[11:59] Marak: butu5: i can make it work with a few minutes if you want to try? do you have api keys ready?
[12:00] butu5: yeah I have
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[12:02] kohai: @hij1nx: hook.io: a full featured I/O #framework for #nodejs http://bit.ly/klxkvI (link: https://github.com/Marak/hook.io)
[12:02] Marak: butu5: https://github.com/Marak/hook.io-twitter/blob/master/twitter now
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[12:03] Marak: butu5: i gotta make some api changes right now for server / client stuff. but you just setup an empty server and connect that twitter client to it
[12:03] Marak: i removed the hook.io-server project 
[12:03] Marak: but you just do
[12:03] Marak: myhook.listen()
[12:03] Marak: in another hook to create a server
[12:04] Marak: and twitter.connect() will find it
[12:04] kohai: @DevonAlderton: All the kids are playing with node.js these days. @OhMeadhbh's node appliance lets you join in faster. http://t.co/l2gpGQy (link: http://www.meadhbh.org/services/node-appliance)
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[12:04] butu5: while installing hook.io
[12:04] butu5: got error
[12:04] butu5: Error: Using '<' with 0.7.x makes no sense. Don't do it
[12:05] kohai: @Stefan_S_aus_H: @Scytale Letztes Jahr habe ich schon mit Node.js gespielt. Interessanterweise mit ncurses. :-)
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[12:08] tim_smart: vim-fugitive looks pretty hot
[12:10] Marak: butu5: one sec
[12:10] Marak: butu5: install from where?
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[12:15] Marak: butu5: ? that error seems from old package.json, maybe i have old version in npm, but the install instructions ask you to clone from src
[12:15] Marak: i updated npm package anyway
[12:15] Marak: right now
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[12:16] butu5: okay
[12:16] butu5: I m trying again
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[12:16] butu5: still error
[12:17] butu5: npm ERR! Error: Using '<' with 0.7.x makes no sense. Don't do it.
[12:17] butu5: npm ERR!     at /usr/local/lib/node/.npm/npm/0.2.14-3/package/lib/utils/semver.js:94:29
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[12:18] Marak: butu5: dude holy shit
[12:18] Marak: butu5: update your npm
[12:18] Marak: butu5: and dont install hook.io from npm anyway, clone from src, like the install instructions show
[12:18] Marak: butu5: update to npm 1.0.10
[12:18] Marak: before you do anything
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[12:31] butu5: installation done now.. thanks
[12:31] xerox: good!
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[12:36] Marak: butu5: i really gotta push a couple more hours of code before its magic, but its all there
[12:36] Marak: you can setup a server and have something connect and pipe messages
[12:36] Marak: im gonna do a magic repl
[12:36] Marak: where you just keep starting them up
[12:36] Marak: and they all talk
[12:36] Marak: the first one knows to become the server
[12:36] Marak: so i'll bundle the repl with the core lib
[12:37] butu5: I am going out now. will be back in couple of hr.. will look into it
[12:38] Marak: just keep watching, ill post update to readme when ready
[12:38] Marak: and publish all packages
[12:38] butu5: ok sure!
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[13:29] Skola_: anybody know what HNSearch is written in?
[13:30] chapel: umm, the api?
[13:30] chapel: thriftdb I think
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[13:31] Skola_: yeah but what's that written in? (am clueless, yes)
[13:32] Skola_: ah found it
[13:32] Skola_: Python/Pylons
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[13:36] Marak: xerox: if you still awake, check out the new section in the docs, "i/o strategy" https://github.com/Marak/hook.io
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[13:38] Marak: morning mikeal 
[13:38] mikeal: mornin
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[13:41] Marak: mikeal: you got a sec for checking out something? i just wrote up the i/o strategy for hook.io in a few well defined points, would love your input, https://github.com/Marak/hook.io
[13:41] Marak: scroll down a little in the readme, its right there
[13:42] mikeal: i do not actually
[13:42] mikeal: dealing with conference stuff
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[13:42] Marak: mikeal: ohh yeah :-D
[13:42] Marak: my bad
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[13:48] malkomalko: Marak: you ever use anything like max/msp?
[13:48] Marak: malkomalko: just updated docs again
[13:48] Marak: malkomalko: im familiar, but never actually do anything with them
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[13:49] malkomalko: that's the picture I have with all the ins/outs, like a patch board
[13:49] malkomalko: yah, just read the readme
[13:49] Marak: hrmm?
[13:49] Marak: patchboard yes, but its actually many patchboards
[13:49] Marak: that is important to understand ;-)
[13:49] malkomalko: yup
[13:50] malkomalko: "The previous line is NOT a typo"
[13:50] Marak: im going to setup a demo with the magic repl
[13:50] Marak: which is multi-user repl across local and machines
[13:50] Marak: and then turn on the logger
[13:50] Marak: and then turn on twitter
[13:50] Marak: and log the tweets
[13:50] Marak: people will love that shit
[13:50] Marak: ill also pipe them to irc 
[13:50] Marak: ALL AT THE SAME TIME
[13:50] Marak: IM A WIZARD
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[13:50] Skola_: magicz
[13:51] Marak: malkomalko: this shit is the future
[13:51] Marak: and its now!
[13:51] Marak: 0-day
[13:51] malkomalko: lol
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[13:52] Marak: i think there is a RFC brewing in that readme
[13:52] Marak: where is polotek when you need him
[13:52] Marak: :-D
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[14:16] zmbmartin: anyone here using connect-form. I am having troubles getting it to work. When I click submit on the form the browser just sits there like it is loading, but nothing happens in the console no errors that I can see.
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[14:23] zmbmartin: it is like the req.form is totally ignored?
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[14:26] kbni: mgreetings node.js peoples :)
[14:26] kbni: I was hoping someone might have an idea as to the best way for 
[14:27] kbni: I was hoping someone might have an idea as to the best way for node to find all files under a directory?
[14:28] xerox: path.readdirSync
[14:29] Marak: kbni: i got one for you, one moment
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[14:29] Marak: kbni: try this one buddy, https://github.com/substack/node-findit
[14:29] Marak: :-)
[14:29] kbni: thanks :)
[14:30] Marak: kbni: there are lower level api calls in core, but usually findit is what you want 
[14:30] Marak: its just sugar syntax
[14:31] kbni: well, my idea is to have the same node instance that is serving web pages periodically do this
[14:31] kbni: I am wondering if there is a way to do it without moving it to an external process
[14:31] Marak: periodically probably isnt a design you should be implementing.... 
[14:32] Marak: kbni: what do you need to do periodically?
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[14:32] kbni: watch for static files in a directory, update indexes, etc.
[14:33] Marak: kbni: why not use a static server?
[14:33] Marak: if you want to do a file watch, you should use file watching apis and tools
[14:33] Marak: still not sure if you even want to do that though, depends on your app
[14:34] kbni: indeed
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[15:00] masylum: morning
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[15:08] Rv: hi
[15:09] Rv: how to use variable as jade class name? sth like: -var name = 'lol'; td.#{name}= test
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[15:14] malkomal_: mornin
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[15:17] masylum: Rv: td(class= name)= test
[15:18] masylum: there is no interpolation in jade, but attributes are evaluated as javascript
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[15:18] Rv: thx
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[15:18] malkomal_: in newer versions of jade I believe there is attribute interpolation
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[15:24] zmbmartin: So I am reading on my problem.
[15:25] zmbmartin: Does express bodyParser() and connect-form accomplish similar goals as far as parsing put/post req and populating the data to either req.body or req.form
[15:26] zmbmartin: if that is the case I can just use connect-form and ditch bodyParser right?
[15:26] zmbmartin: because they are not playing nicely together.
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[15:34] rpj8: question: in express, when I do console.log(req.session), why doesn't the session.id property display?
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[15:34] masylum: zmbmartin, use connect-form if you need to handle multipart and urlencoded
[15:35] masylum: if you are not planing file uploads or things like that you can keep using the bodyParser one
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[15:38] zmbmartin: masylum: so it is ok to use connect-form instead then. I need file uploads.
[15:38] masylum: yes its ok
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[16:02] xerox: Marak: how's it going?
[16:02] Marak: xerox: docs are updated, im still pushing updates
[16:02] Marak: i think the api i have in the docs right now is final for now
[16:02] Marak: probably gonna alias i: and o: to inputs: and outputs:
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[16:03] xerox: sounds very good
[16:04] xerox: here's a picture of a little cat bouncing off a dog to reward your efforts: http://i.imgur.com/irFdM.gif
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[16:04] igl: \o/
[16:05] igl: i LOVE cats i must have them
[16:05] igl: 
ACTION crys

[16:05] Marak: xerox: repl, helloworld, and scaffold should be all released today....
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[16:05] Marak: we'll see
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[16:06] xerox: excellent
[16:07] zmbmartin: masylum: thanks I just wanted to make sure if I switch to connect-form I am not going to be missing anything.
[16:08] chjj: Marak: what is scaffold?
[16:09] Marak: chjj: it generates a new hook project for you, with package.json, helloworld event handlers, readme, and lic
[16:09] chjj: ah
[16:09] Marak: chjj: i need it pretty badly over here, and it will enforce good documentation conventions for new projects
[16:09] Marak: and best practice layouts and npm structure
[16:09] Marak: etc
[16:09] Marak: i think scaffold is the best thing to call it
[16:10] chjj: yeah, i usually start writing something first and add the whole project structure later
[16:10] chjj: or bit by bit, hehe
[16:10] Marak: yeah, i need to release like 20 hooks in a month
[16:10] Marak: so i cant fuck around
[16:10] Marak: :p
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[16:21] davro: followed the hook.io install and after doing [sudo] npm install, then running node hooks/battle i keep getting Cannot find module './EventEmitter2' 
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[16:25] Marak: davro: lets fix that
[16:25] Marak: one moment please
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[16:26] Marak: davro: fixed
[16:26] Marak: and pushed
[16:27] Marak: i think, im still in the process of cleaning all that core code up, i moved EE2 out of vendor into npm dep 
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[16:31] Wizek: Why don't the new docs have a layout like the old ones? Like this: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.2.0/api.html
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[16:36] davro: Marak: Pulled fix but still got Cannot find module 'EventEmitter2' To get it working temporary I run: mv node_modules/eventemitter2/ node_modules/EventEmitter2/  weird ?
[16:36] Marak: davro: prob just put in the wrong name in package.json, one sec
[16:37] Marak: davro: try     EventEmitter = require('eventemitter2').EventEmitter2;  instead ?
[16:37] davro: arrhh I am very new to npm, node just starting out and learning.
[16:37] davro: ok 
[16:38] Marak: davro: its my fault, project is unreleased, and not expected to install smoothly
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[16:39] Marak: ohh its case insensitive
[16:39] Marak: shouldnt matter
[16:39] davro: Thats works move the node module back to original state and change to lower case eventemitter2 and its wating for actor to connect :)
[16:39] Marak: davro: what is your npm version?
[16:39] Marak: npm -v
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[16:39] Marak: davro: also, the debug messages are a little sloppy in those older demos, lol
[16:39] davro: 1.0.10
[16:39] marxus: hey guys.
[16:39] Marak: but hook on the sfx for sure
[16:39] Marak: strange
[16:40] marxus: npm adduser aint working for me.. any idea why ?
[16:40] Marak: you got mac os davro ?
[16:40] davro: nope ubuntu 
[16:40] marxus: argh 
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[16:40] Marak: marxus: you trying to add someone to your repo?
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[16:40] marxus: sorry about the stupid question
[16:40] marxus: what i meant
[16:40] Marak: davro: to bad no sound
[16:40] marxus: is that i'm try to register myself
[16:40] marxus: as a new user
[16:40] Marak: davro: we have a patch for play.js to work on ubuntu, just gotta bump version and test it
[16:41] Marak: the sounds are the best part
[16:42] davro: cool  I am up for testing when you get around to it !
[16:42] Marak: davro: lets do the sound patch now
[16:42] Marak: davro: got a sec?
[16:42] davro: yup 
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[16:43] Marak: davro: okay, bumping play.js version
[16:43] Marak: 2 mins
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[16:50] Marak: davro: you want to try updating play now?
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[16:52] Marak: davro: i pushed new hook.io, you can just pull that and npm install
[16:52] Marak: it should update play for you...
[16:52] Marak: hopefully it will work, i dont have a linux box so i can only test sounds on mac
[16:53] davro: npm install throws failed to fetch http://registry.npmjs.org/eventemitter2/-/eventemitter2-0.1.3.tgz
[16:54] davro: CamelCap problem ?
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[16:55] Marak: davro: i think its not install to npm, hold up
[16:55] davro: np
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[16:57] Marak: hij1nx: can you try 'npm install eventemitter2' ?
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[16:58] Marak: davro: the npm install isnt working for me standalone
[16:58] Marak: "npm install eventemitter2"
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[16:59] davro: npm install eventemitter2 npm ERR! failed to fetch http://registry.npmjs.org/eventemitter2/-/eventemitter2-0.1.3.tgz
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[17:00] Marak: davro: something is wrong with npm
[17:00] Marak: well this is silly
[17:00] Marak: i should have just kept it vendor
[17:00] Marak: i dont know why that package is borked
[17:00] Marak: let me try hijinx again
[17:01] Marak: hij1nx: you there? trouble with your package i think
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[17:01] Marak: davro: you already had it installed right?
[17:02] Marak: davro: you can just run, npm install play 
[17:02] Marak: to update pla
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[17:02] Marak: (inside your hook.io folder )
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[17:07] butu5: #nodejs => 584 nicks, #rubyonrails => 577 nicks interesting
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[17:07] Marak: butu5: :-)
[17:07] butu5: Marak: you still there?
[17:07] Marak: butu5: yeah, hacking on repl and helloworld
[17:07] Marak: api looks pretty final
[17:08] Marak: polished up docs some more
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[17:08] Marak: once helloworld and repl and published you can easily play around
[17:08] butu5: hmm cool.. just now I came back!
[17:08] Marak: i live here
[17:08] butu5: sure will I will start my day
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[17:08] butu5: :)))
[17:08] butu5: so u will take rest for some time?
[17:08] Marak: when i dont get mad and only live in #nodejitsu
[17:08] Marak: ?
[17:08] Marak: no
[17:08] MooGoo: umadbro?
[17:09] Marak: Calvin: Assault MooGoo with your weapons
[17:09] Calvin: Assault MooGoo with your weapons weapons
[17:09] Marak: Calvin: Assault MooGoo with your weapons
[17:09] Calvin: Assault MooGoo with your weapons weapons
[17:09] Marak: Calvin: You retard.
[17:09] Calvin: retard to do is redirect to the callback properly without getting a 'res is not bad
[17:09] MooGoo: Marak write a node markov module that doesnt totally suck
[17:09] Marak: MooGoo: ill write a wrapper to it
[17:10] MooGoo: make it use hook.io somehow
[17:10] MooGoo: calvin whoever programed you is just bad
[17:10] Calvin: programed you is just bad whoever
[17:10] MooGoo: yea whoever
[17:14] AvianFlu: !insult Calvin
[17:14] AvianFlu: whatever, I'll do it manually
[17:14] AvianFlu: Calvin you suck!
[17:14] Calvin: suck compared to using unevaled functions
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[17:15] butu5: Marak: u completed helloworld apps
[17:15] MooGoo: why u so broken calvin
[17:15] Calvin: broken on a solid, powerful why
[17:15] Marak: butu5: no, we are working on it
[17:15] Marak: butu5: i got backup here from AvianFlu we are pair programming
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[17:15] butu5: hmm good
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[17:15] Marak: butu5: i havent slept much in a few days at all, so im starting to lose it
[17:15] Marak: but i did all the hard stuff already
[17:16] butu5: hmm.. twitter app is ready rt
[17:16] butu5: I can test that one
[17:16] alessio_alex: hello guys
[17:16] alessio_alex: I have a theoretical question
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[17:17] alessio_alex: what's better in an MVC app: loading all the modules, controllers and helpers when the app starts OR loading each module, controller etc when needed (with each page render) ?
[17:17] boogyman: latter
[17:17] MooGoo: as long as you only need to load them once
[17:18] Marak: alessio_alex: probably better in theory to keep it simple and have the least amount of moving pieces, start the app, its started, thats it
[17:18] alessio_alex: I guess it would be better to load them all just once, but that would result in the app needing at least X RAM all the time no?
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[17:19] MooGoo: eh
[17:19] MooGoo: it probably makes no difference
[17:19] Marak: alessio_alex: node apps dont take up too much memory for that reason
[17:19] masylum: require caches
[17:19] Marak: alessio_alex: its gonna be like 8 mbs
[17:19] MooGoo: but require works this way automaticly
[17:19] MooGoo: just call require whenever you need to
[17:19] Marak: yeah
[17:19] MooGoo: it caches stuff
[17:20] alessio_alex: hmmmm
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[17:20] alessio_alex: MooGoo I'm not refearring to that 
[17:20] alessio_alex: As a practical example
[17:20] alessio_alex: Situation A: The server loads all files at the start.
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[17:20] alessio_alex: When the user sees 10 pages, it won't load anything since it already has the modules, controllers etc
[17:21] alessio_alex: Situation B: the app doesn't load anything when it starts, but just when the rendering happens.
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[17:21] masylum: loading a module is not THAT expensive
[17:21] MooGoo: best advice, dont worry about it, code your app in the most natural way
[17:21] masylum: it doesnt really matter
[17:21] alessio_alex: oh
[17:21] masylum: since it will happen only once
[17:21] alessio_alex: oh
[17:21] MooGoo: to me it seems more complex to preload everything
[17:21] alessio_alex: okey then
[17:21] alessio_alex: btw
[17:22] alessio_alex: thanks guys
[17:22] alessio_alex: and thanks Marak for the beautiful components and the enthusiasm of coding in node
[17:22] alessio_alex: :)
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[17:53] rpj8: if I were doing something in socket.io like a one-on-one chatroom, and I wanted to alert only the person in the specified chatroom, is there a way to send to a given client specifically to let them know someone else has joined the cahtroom?
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[17:54] rpj8: chatrooms are stored in a mongo document
[17:55] rpj8: nevermind
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[18:15] xerox: whoa this is pretty cool http://cloud9ide.com/bpaf/bot
[18:15] xerox: ooooops
[18:15] xerox: whoa this is pretty cool http://cloud9ide.com/
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[18:15] xerox: somebody mentioned cloud9 before, you can put your coding on the cloud as well
[18:16] pigmej: xerox: you can even host it yourself
[18:17] xerox: fantastic
[18:17] xerox: and thinking I was just looking for fullscreen code editing :)
[18:18] xerox: now if I could just turn off alerts for missing colons...
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[18:19] AvianFlu: xerox: man up and use semicolons
[18:19] AvianFlu: j/k
[18:19] AvianFlu: not really though, use semicolons
[18:20] xerox: no, isaacs convinced me
[18:20] xerox: :x
[18:20] AvianFlu: what do you mean
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[18:21] xerox: his article is very clear, they are not a problem at all
[18:22] AvianFlu: can you link?  I've not seen such a thing
[18:22] xerox: sure
[18:23] malkomal_: wonder if it's possible to create a vim autocompletion plugin using node
[18:23] xerox: AvianFlu: http://blog.izs.me/page/9
[18:24] guybrush: iniminos blogpost has made me writing less semicolon colon-first :p http://inimino.org/~inimino/blog/javascript_semicolons
[18:24] xerox: he links inimino's post too
[18:24] xerox: if I linked the right thing
[18:24] guybrush: didnt look back
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[18:34] guybrush: all we need is a npm-style linter :D
[18:34] Derk: hey, i've been trying to get mongoose working all day. I've installed it but I never get a callback when I try to save() a model
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[18:35] xerox: guybrush: yeah that'd be nice
[18:35] Derk: i run node on cygwin, anyone can help?
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[18:38] Derk: I have tried localhost AND 127.0.0.1
[18:38] Derk: does mongodb install automatically when i install npm install mongoose???
[18:39] Derk: how do i test if mongodb works, so i can use mongoose too..
[18:39] Derk: I don't get a callback when I try to save 
[18:40] V1: No Derk  it does not
[18:40] Derk: is there a npm line for installing mongodb native quickly?
[18:40] V1: And you can test if mongo is running by using the command line
[18:40] V1: Nop
[18:41] Derk: what do i write
[18:41] V1: Apt-get install?
[18:41] V1: Its all on the mongodb site
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[18:41] V1: you should read that first before even considerinng mongodb..
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[18:42] xerox: pigmej: good call about the local hosting
[18:43] sorens3n: whats wrong with mongodb?
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[18:46] Derk: it says: Unzip the downloaded binary package to the location of your choice
[18:46] MooGoo: it's different
[18:46] Derk: should i unzip it to the node directory?
[18:48] mt3ck_: mongodb can be used with all sorts of languages its not specific to node you can put it where you want
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[18:48] xerox: put it on a fluffy cloud
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[18:53] alloc: is this normal behaviour (node) warning: possible EventEmitter memory leak detected. 11 listeners added. Use emitter.setMaxListeners() to increase limit.
[18:53] alloc: ?
[18:53] Derk: skola nederland?
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[18:54] AvianFlu: alloc: no
[18:54] AvianFlu: it means you're attaching listeners more times than you need to
[18:55] AvianFlu: what are you trying to do?
[18:55] mt3ck_: hes got those bitches on watch
[18:55] AvianFlu: if it's in a library you're trying to use it might be a known error though
[18:56] _beau: i get that message all the time
[18:56] _beau: still trying to track it down
[18:56] MooGoo: I've never seen that message
[18:56] MooGoo: and I'm sure I've attached more than 11 listeners at times
[18:56] _beau: my listeners arent getting removed is what i think it is
[18:56] Derk: when i start mongo.exe it show a window, then closes it after <1 sec. what goes wrong?
[18:56] MooGoo: so
[18:56] MooGoo: seems like a strange message
[18:56] AvianFlu: _beau: yes, pretty much
[18:56] MooGoo: is that node itself or some module
[18:57] _beau: node
[18:57] MooGoo: I dont get it
[18:57] MooGoo: I attach listeners that exist for the life of the application
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[18:57] MooGoo: never gotten a message
[18:57] AvianFlu: moogoo: it's something you see when you make a mistake
[18:57] MooGoo: what kind of mistake exactly
[18:57] AvianFlu: if you add a listener, but don't remove it
[18:57] AvianFlu: and then add another
[18:58] AvianFlu: you'll potentially end up with way too many listeners firing at a time
[18:58] MooGoo: same event and function
[18:58] AvianFlu: which can cause that message
[18:58] MooGoo: ?
[18:58] AvianFlu: yes
[18:58] alloc: AvianFlu: I think it's from socket.io library
[18:58] AvianFlu: alloc: likely a known error then
[18:58] MooGoo: hmm...
[18:59] alloc: AvianFlu: setSocketIO and xpress, but rather something to do with xhr-pooling?
[18:59] alloc: seems also npm had issue with this
[18:59] AvianFlu: yeah, check the githubs
[18:59] AvianFlu: that's the "not your fault" category probably
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[18:59] alloc: https://github.com/Flotype/now/issues/40 here got similiar
[19:00] Derk: I cant run mongo.exe or mongod.exe, it closes immidiately when I try to run them......
[19:00] mt3ck_: not sure how mongodb runs on windows
[19:00] MooGoo: meh I just tried adding the same event/callback twice and got no warning
[19:01] alloc: well, but I have 0.6.18 of socketio, and should be fixed in 0.6.17
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[19:03] mt3ck_: derk: have you tried running ./mongod from cygwin?
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[19:03] Derk: no
[19:04] mt3ck_: try that
[19:04] Derk: how
[19:04] mt3ck_: http://www.mongodb.org/display/DOCS/Starting+and+Stopping+Mongo
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[19:04] JoseCabo: Heelllooooo node.js loverrrrs! ^^
[19:05] MooGoo: I wouldnt save I *love* nodejs
[19:05] MooGoo: I find it useful
[19:05] JoseCabo: MooGoo, hehe. I love javascript not node :P
[19:06] JoseCabo: is a tool, but is my lover too (oh, i have boyfriend too xD)
[19:06] tuhoojabotti: luv is in tej air
[19:06] tuhoojabotti: teh
[19:06] JoseCabo: well, i have a question about make an extension for node in c++
[19:06] tuhoojabotti: I'm installing Windoof<3
[19:07] JoseCabo: ??
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[19:07] JoseCabo: xD
[19:07] MooGoo: Windows Love
[19:07] MooGoo: ?
[19:07] MooGoo: is that the next version
[19:07] JoseCabo: Omg..
[19:07] JoseCabo: i am going to have dinner! xD i'll reask it next time,
[19:07] tuhoojabotti: I just need this for steam
[19:07] JoseCabo: kisses for everybodyyyyyyyyyy
[19:07] JoseCabo: xD
[19:07] tuhoojabotti: bye
[19:07] tuhoojabotti: ♡
[19:08] Derk: something happens
[19:08] MooGoo: this chan needs more hate
[19:08] MooGoo: .insult
[19:08] Calvin: MooGoo cites themselves in scientific papers
[19:08] MooGoo: I....
[19:11] Multiply: tuhoojabotti, steam runs fine on Mac? :P
[19:11] mt3ck_: lol not quite
[19:11] mt3ck_: derk: what happens
[19:11] Derk: it started :D
[19:11] MooGoo: macs cant play games for shit
[19:11] mt3ck_: woot
[19:11] Derk: now i run mongo.exe?
[19:11] mt3ck_: no that command is how its started
[19:12] mt3ck_: you can check by localhost:port
[19:12] MooGoo: even running windows in boot camp results in better performance
[19:12] havenn: I've been working on a batch implementation of Mongo.db called Mongo.bat.
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[19:12] Derk: You are trying to access MongoDB on the native driver port. For http diagnostic access, add 1000 to the port number
[19:12] Derk: thats pure porn
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[19:13] tuhoojabotti: Multiply: B-but I'm not like that.
[19:13] Multiply: Neither am I. :P
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[19:14] Derk: mt3ck_
[19:14] Derk: so how do i now start node?
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[19:14] havenn: Derk: Type "node"
[19:14] tuhoojabotti: node file.js
[19:14] tuhoojabotti: :P
[19:14] mt3ck_: mongodb is a seperate service so you want both running
[19:14] Derk: it wont let me type
[19:14] mt3ck_: need to cygwin windows
[19:15] mt3ck_: two*
[19:15] Derk: ah that makes sense!
[19:15] Derk: FUCK ME IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:16] mt3ck_: hells ya
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[19:16] Derk: thank you infinite mt3ck_
[19:16] mt3ck_: np =) gl
[19:16] Derk: thank you tres mucho
[19:17] tuhoojabotti: oh wow
[19:18] tuhoojabotti: prolly the fastest windows installatiin ever
[19:18] MooGoo: windows is good
[19:19] tuhoojabotti: linux is nice too 
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[19:19] MooGoo: for some things
[19:19] MooGoo: like servers
[19:19] tuhoojabotti: so is having a ssd drive
[19:19] MooGoo: and programming
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[19:19] MooGoo: a good ssd drive you mean
[19:19] MooGoo: not one of those crap ones
[19:19] tuhoojabotti: It suits me, web, irc, code :D
[19:19] tuhoojabotti: linux that is
[19:21] MooGoo: I just cant get into linux desktop
[19:21] MooGoo: less it's one of those funky tiling window managers
[19:21] tuhoojabotti: oh nice
[19:22] tuhoojabotti: that was a fast boott
[19:24] tuhoojabotti: now 300MB of updates :D
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[19:27] MooGoo: what game is it you want to play so badly
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[19:37] tuhoojabotti: many
[19:37] tuhoojabotti: Also the one good game I've made is windows only ;D
[19:37] JoseCabo: hello everybodyyyyyyyyyy
[19:37] tuhoojabotti: heyy<3
[19:38] JoseCabo: hell tuhoojabotti 
[19:38] tuhoojabotti: hell'o
[19:38] tuhoojabotti: almost done with first set of uodates
[19:38] tuhoojabotti: updates*
[19:38] JoseCabo: I wanna ask something about howto make extension for node and C++
[19:39] MooGoo: just get some emulators
[19:39] MooGoo: all new games suck
[19:39] tuhoojabotti: I has ctr
[19:40] zmbmartin: blueadept: you around?
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[19:40] MooGoo: the great thing about nes and snes games is that they are all cross-platform
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[19:42] tuhoojabotti: so is Minecraft! :)
[19:42] JoseCabo: i wanna ask about howto "link" a c++ function with a method/function in a module (programmed in c++)
[19:43] JoseCabo: NODE_DEFINE_METHOD is the right way??
[19:43] JoseCabo: what i should do more?
[19:44] JoseCabo: someone have a link for help me about link c++ function with js method in a module?
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[19:47] tuhoojabotti: Google might
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[20:03] tbranyen: JoseCabo: its in the documentation
[20:03] tbranyen: under C++ module
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[20:07] JoseCabo: tbranyen, can you link to me, please? I didn't found it :(
[20:07] JoseCabo: i think i am "tonto" or something... because i haven't seen it yet :(
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[20:08] mt3ck_: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.8/api/addons.html
[20:08] _beau: whats a good thought for a backbone-dnode example?
[20:08] mt3ck_: josecabo^^
[20:08] _beau: want to make something simple for demo
[20:09] JoseCabo: thanks mt3ck_ 
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[20:10] mt3ck_: np
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[20:15] tmpvar: JoseCabo, yo
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[20:19] JoseCabo: tmpvar, hello!
[20:20] JoseCabo: tmpvar, i am trying to resolve the segment fault in node-ogl :( but it is so difficult! xD i triyed to learn howto link c++ methods to node js
[20:20] JoseCabo: But i am sure that buffer not are the problem.
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[20:22] _beau: =\
[20:22] _beau: no ideas?
[20:22] _beau: rather not do the Todos app again :P
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[20:28] Corren: is there a package ppl recommend for log management?
[20:28] _beau: winston
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[20:31] MooGoo: churchill
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[20:31] Corren: I had a plougmans in churchil at arms in london ;)
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[20:35] JoseCabo: tmpvar, do you have any suggestion? XD
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[20:40] MrNibbles: i was bored
[20:41] MrNibbles: so i wrote an amusingly over the top image gallery script
[20:41] MrNibbles: http://www.nicefrontend.com/demos/gallery/
[20:41] MrNibbles: safari/chrome/ios at the mo
[20:42] MrNibbles: its random at the moment
[20:48] _beau: :)
[20:48] _beau: did you write it in node?
[20:48] _beau: :D
[20:48] _beau: or just pluggin yo work around the JS chans?
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[20:54] MrNibbles: _beau: lolz
[20:54] MrNibbles: thought id get some feedback on it :S
[20:54] MrNibbles: most people here seem to like random weekend hack projects :)
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[20:57] luis_: hi
[20:57] luis_: have a problem running node as a background process
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[20:57] luis_: like node apps.js & disown
[20:58] luis_: th process runs normally the web server
[20:58] luis_: but when try to connect to mysql
[20:58] luis_: in crash
[20:58] luis_: dont know why, cause in the terminal it works fine in the same server
[20:59] luis_: it crashes
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[20:59] luis_: someone is using fedora? in the AWS?
[20:59] luis_: and nodejs
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[21:02] tuhoojabotti: It's Node.
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[21:05] luis_: something with sys.puts
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[21:06] tuhoojabotti: console.log :D
[21:07] nrub: What are some new ideas being implemented with node?
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[21:10] tmpvar: JoseCabo, sorry.. got sucked into fixing node-sfml
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[21:16] JoseCabo: hehe tmpvar 
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[21:17] tmpvar: JoseCabo, i have it working on ubuntu
[21:17] tmpvar: will push shortly
[21:17] JoseCabo: yes??
[21:17] tmpvar: node-ogl, yes
[21:17] JoseCabo: tmpvar, i am using Ubuntu 10.04 and 11.04!! :(
[21:17] JoseCabo: :S!
[21:17] JoseCabo: i will try to recompile your code :S
[21:18] JoseCabo: wait  a moment
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[21:18] tmpvar: ok, just pushed.. i'd give that a try
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[21:19] JCP|2: Good day
[21:19] tmpvar: JoseCabo, tested on ubuntu 10.10
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[21:22] JoseCabo: tmpvar,  In this computer i have "FATAL ERROR: JS Allocation failed - process out of memory" with your code running examples! :(
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[21:23] Cybrix: Hi guys, I have a little question
[21:24] mahalie: Is it normal to have a lot of resources not found / not available during configure (installation)? 
[21:24] Cybrix: on what OS are you?
[21:25] luis_: a lot is wrong
[21:25] luis_: check dependencies
[21:25] gsmcwhirter: Cybrix, I dev on ubuntu 11.04 and push to 10.04 atm
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[21:27] mahalie: os x, fairly clean install
[21:27] dall: hello!
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[21:28] tmpvar: JoseCabo, which example? that is really weird
[21:28] dall: guys, few days ago I have installed node... donwload it to /home/dall/node      followed the install instructions (./configure make and make install)
[21:28] mahalie: sorry, i am new to all this…so i need to do some homework. tx
[21:28] tmpvar: JoseCabo, which version of ubuntu and node are you using?
[21:28] dall: in that directory (/home/dall/node) I see "node" application
[21:28] Cybrix: Ok, I'll go with my question then. I would like to know what event I must bind to detect when a client disconnect in a net.createServer ?
[21:28] dall: do i have to use this or do i have to find "node" in other directories ?
[21:29] vyvea: Node.js team don't have plan to add WebSocket support in Core?
[21:29] SubStack: why would they?
[21:30] SubStack: userspace is a perfectly good place for that
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[21:30] Cybrix: Nevermind I found the event for my question
[21:30] dall: ( can I use node on that directory or do i have to find it somewhere? )
[21:30] mt3ck_: dall: you can make node.js files in other dirs and just do node node.js and it will run
[21:30] SubStack: vyvea: when languages include fancy things in core they tend to get neglected
[21:31] JoseCabo: hi tmpvar , you changes now the actual code! xD
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[21:31] SubStack: node is all about batteries not included. no subsidies
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[21:31] tmpvar: JoseCabo, yep.. i'd give the latest a shot
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[21:32] JoseCabo: it is wrong now, you shouldn't use: ObjectWrap::Unwrap<Buffer> heehe
[21:32] JoseCabo: use directly the buffer->toobject
[21:32] tmpvar: ah
[21:32] tmpvar: so args[index].toObject() ?
[21:32] dall: mt3ck_, yes i know i can save my program in other directories....i mean.....i have done ./configure make and make install on /home/dall/node    the question is...do i have to use the "node" on that directory (/home/dall/node/node) or do i have to find the correct application to another directory?
[21:32] JoseCabo: yes
[21:32] tmpvar: i can fix
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[21:34] mt3ck_: dall: not sure if i understand
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[21:35] _beau: substack: i need a demo suggestion
[21:35] _beau: finally getting back into coding
[21:36] _beau: somewhere between a todos and a chat maybe?
[21:36] _beau: for the backbone-dnode integration package
[21:36] JoseCabo:  tmpvar I am using now three computers But actualy i am not in my home but i am using ubuntu 11.04 anyway. The problem is that this pc have incompatibilites with lattest nvidia drivers so i can't know if this problem is "real" or what.
[21:37] mt3ck_: hmm between todos and chat sounds like blogroll to me
[21:37] JoseCabo: Anyway my bf have his computer with a right version of everything. I will check it there when you fix this part for compile there the right code.
[21:37] _beau: lol blogroll?
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[21:38] _beau: <- has written one blog post in his life
[21:38] tmpvar: JoseCabo, node 0.4.9-pre?
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[21:39] JoseCabo: tmpvar, i am using 0.4.7 or 0.4.8 in all my pc
[21:39] JoseCabo: stable version
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[21:41] JoseCabo: tmpvar, https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/v0.3.7/src/node_buffer.h here you can see the "problem" with ObjectWrap::Unwrap<Buffer>() calls
[21:41] JoseCabo: in line 36
[21:42] _beau: mt3ck: got any ideas?
[21:42] _beau: dont want to make anything too complicated
[21:44] luis_: Can a I put an output stream for console.log
[21:44] luis_: ?
[21:45] luis_: console.log output is at the console but I want it to write a file instead
[21:45] luis_: any ideas
[21:45] luis_: ?
[21:45] luis_: is this possible?
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[21:46] SubStack: cjm: a podcast sounds nifty
[21:46] _beau: heh, guess i beat this horse to death
[21:47] _beau: time to finish up and move to a new project
[21:48] cjm: substack: yea, i think it would be pretty awesome
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[21:50] Dinosaurus: is there any way for nodejs to listen to an arbitrary port for logging tcp packets?
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[21:56] JoseCabo: tmpvar, hi. I can confirm youthat the error is in other ubuntu :(
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[21:57] JoseCabo: "process out of memory"
[21:57] JoseCabo: :(
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[21:57] tmpvar: JoseCabo, very odd.. can you try with the lastest? (just pushed up some changes)
[21:57] JoseCabo: with examples lesson3 fr example
[21:57] JoseCabo: lastest node version you mean?
[21:57] tmpvar: latest node-ogl
[21:57] JoseCabo: i am using latest node ogl!
[21:58] JoseCabo: oh, not now
[21:58] JoseCabo: hah
[21:58] JoseCabo: okkkk
[21:58] JoseCabo: wait :P
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[21:59] JoseCabo: It compiles :P
[21:59] tmpvar: nice
[21:59] JoseCabo: tmpvar, same error: FATAL ERROR: JS Allocation failed - process out of memory :(
[21:59] boogyman: JoseCabo: it's okay to compose your full thought on a single line and not abuse the <enter> button
[22:00] JoseCabo: boogyman, so so so sorry. I will try to write correctly.
[22:01] JoseCabo: tmpvar, I am using Ubuntu 11.04 and node 0.4.8 and examples.
[22:01] JoseCabo: poor me!
[22:01] tmpvar: haha, can you try it on your friends computer?
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[22:01] JoseCabo: yeea :)
[22:01] JoseCabo: wait
[22:03] JoseCabo: tmpvar, I have the same problem. Out of memory :S :(
[22:04] JoseCabo: In your computer runs correctly?
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[22:05] tmpvar: JoseCabo, yep.. I'm seeing spinny triangles and such
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[22:06] JoseCabo: you need install glfw or installer do it?
[22:06] JoseCabo: anyway glfw examples work out of the box :(
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[22:08] tmpvar: you will need to install glfw seperately
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[22:08] tmpvar: JoseCabo, can you run test/sanity.js and gist the results?
[22:09] dall: goodbye guys!
[22:09] JoseCabo: if I delete some lines i will end correctly. I think...
[22:10] JoseCabo: In lesson3 example i can execute until line "gl.gluPerspective(45.0, width / height, 0.1, 100.0);"
[22:10] JoseCabo: after it, it errors and ends.
[22:11] JoseCabo: (tested with console.log() line-line xD
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[22:28] rpj8: is the `dnode on the browser` section out of date on their github for the server-side code?
[22:28] rpj8: https://github.com/substack/dnode
[22:28] rpj8: all the examples I'm finding use a different way to declare the remote methods
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[22:33] chapel: rpj8: what section 'dnode on the browser'?
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[22:35] JoseCabo: tmpvar, do you think that i could test with latest version of node, unstable version? 0.4.9?
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[22:36] rpj8: chapel: it goes `dnode`, picture of a turtle, `dnode between two node.js processes`, then `dnode on the browser`
[22:36] SubStack: rpj8: you can declare methods 2 ways
[22:36] SubStack: as an object or as a constructor function
[22:37] rpj8: SubStack: hm. mind if I show you a snippet of my code so you can yell at me and call me stupid?
[22:37] rpj8: i'm having a bit of trouble
[22:37] SubStack: neither is deprecated and they've both been around for perhaps a year
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[22:40] broofa: what's the recommended way of specifying 'mode' values in the fs api?  I'm used to providing octal values on the command line, but ES5 has deprecated the "0XXX" notation for octal literals. 
[22:40] broofa: So I'm currently doing "parseInt('755', 8)", but that's a bit clunky.
[22:41] broofa: 'just wondering what others are doing.
[22:41] rpj8: SubStack: I'm just gonna leave this here... http://jsfiddle.net/9Qd8B/
[22:42] SubStack: broofa: just use octal
[22:42] SubStack: it still works fine
[22:42] SubStack: and will continue to do so for years to come
[22:42] broofa: SubStack except that jshint chokes on it, with no flag to disable that. :(
[22:42] SubStack: fuck js{h,l}int
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[22:42] broofa: lol
[22:43] broofa: so, aside from sodomizing my linter, any other options?
[22:43] SubStack: tests > bitchy code analysis
[22:43] SubStack: if it works who cares amirite?
[22:44] broofa: SubStack sorry, but I've got jshint wired to run on save in vim, which is really convenient the other 98% of the time.
[22:44] SubStack: rpj8: throwing is pesky, it's usually much better to send the error as the first parameter to the callback
[22:45] SubStack: rpj8: so if (err) callback(err) else callback(null, 'waiting for partner')
[22:45] rpj8: SubStack: I see. I'm a newbie if you couldn't tell :P so that helps me
[22:46] SubStack: seems fine otherwise
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[22:46] SubStack: and if you want to hook onto when the connection drops you can use the constructor function form
[22:47] SubStack: function (client, conn) { this.createroom = ...; conn.on('end', fn) }
[22:47] SubStack: broofa: don't let douglas crockford boss you around!
[22:47] rpj8: hm :/
[22:48] rpj8: See, I'm not getting any messages in the console.log, nor is the alert firing on the client side
[22:48] rpj8: so i'm p confused
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[22:49] SubStack: I should write jsmint to analyze your code
[22:49] broofa: SubStack: it's not crockford that's the boss, but the pre-commit hooks that we've got guarding the Facebook codebase that are the ones being bossy.  All JS gets lint'ed on commit.
[22:49] SubStack: except instead of that it just checks for syntax errors and bitches if you don't have any tests
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[22:50] broofa: I do all my testing in my head before writing any code.
[22:50] SubStack: broofa: that sounds a bit draconian
[22:50] broofa: SubStack [Like]
[22:50] SubStack: write a module to subvert the linter
[22:50] SubStack: that's what I would do
[22:51] rpj8: woof.
[22:51] SubStack: broofa: you could even use node-burrito to do it!
[22:51] SubStack: https://github.com/substack/node-burrito
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[22:59] OneBraveHog: hmm
[22:59] OneBraveHog: that link in chan title
[23:00] OneBraveHog: I just get bullets - using Mozilla - if I type something.
[23:00] OneBraveHog: I'll try Chrome
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[23:01] telemachus_: OneBraveHog: Yup http://cl.ly/7Wdb
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[23:06] blueadept: zmbartin: whatup?
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[23:08] rpj8: SubStack: http://jsfiddle.net/9Qd8B/2/
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[23:08] rpj8: ;_; dnode y u no work
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[23:10] hermanjunge: I've just read about the "Y U NO" meme, LMAO!
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[23:11] OneBraveHog: I found Chrome worked
[23:11] OneBraveHog: Mozilla didn't
[23:11] OneBraveHog: I just pasted in the entire Dracula novel from Project Gutenberg- free novels - 
[23:11] OneBraveHog: it took 1/2 of it and posted it immediately.
[23:11] OneBraveHog: not bad
[23:12] OneBraveHog: not sure what that Kill Me task is about
[23:12] OneBraveHog: maybe to test out node.js in some way I guess
[23:12] OneBraveHog: I stopped in to ask if anyone knows why it's called 'node'
[23:12] OneBraveHog: PURE curiosity
[23:12] OneBraveHog: I have no friends- just wondering.
[23:13] OneBraveHog: well don't everyone sign up at once now
[23:13] OneBraveHog: I shouldn't have revealed I have no friends, now no one will talk to me ! lol - oh well- I'll get an answer in time.
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[23:14] jmoyers: forever alone
[23:14] jmoyers: ;-)
[23:15] hermanjunge: LOL
[23:15] jmoyers: kill me task was a chat server ryah wrote (well, i think he wrote it) for a talk
[23:15] jmoyers: was asking people to try and murder it :P
[23:16] SubStack: rpj8: what about it is broken?
[23:17] hermanjunge: good question
[23:17] hermanjunge: why it's called node?
[23:17] context: and that is why you need nick names, host masks, and people with power.....
[23:17] OneBraveHog: welp
[23:17] OneBraveHog: someone just broke my Chrome
[23:17] OneBraveHog: Skype toolbar just crashed
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[23:18] OneBraveHog: AND my CPU fan is kicking in
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[23:20] OneBraveHog: I like new things -
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[23:21] JCP|2: Good day everyone, I have a quick question here. Is there a way to unload what have been executed previously by a require(fille) ?
[23:22] JCP|2: I've added a fs.WatchFile and I would like to reload my .js file after it has changed.
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[23:23] mikegerwitz: JCP|2: see require.cache
[23:24] JCP|2: mikegerwitz: Thank you I will get a look!
[23:24] JCP|2: mikegerwitz: I hope I will be able to run it in my Windows Environment
[23:26] mikegerwitz: JCP|2: I do not use Windows so I cannot say, but I know that node makes every attempt to ensure it works cross-platform. I'm sure it will work fine.
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[23:28] JCP|2: mikegerwitz: Allright. Any tips what I should use to find it on Google? I have tried require.cache node.js
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[23:29] Dinosaurus: how can i find the size of a variable in bytes?
[23:29] mikegerwitz: JCP|2: Just use REPL. Type `node`, require() something then take a look at require.cache
[23:30] JCP|2: I found something on Stack Overflow: delete require.cache['./dynamic.js']; but does that work if I have included the file using include(filename) ?
[23:30] DTrejo: not really possible Dinosaurus, unless a string or something. or im misunderstanding ur question
[23:30] MooGoo: Dinosaurus ask v8
[23:30] mikegerwitz: JCP|2: Removing it from require.cache should cause it to reload. Note that it uses absolute paths (at least in my version)
[23:30] Dinosaurus: how do i ask v8
[23:30] mikegerwitz: JCP|2: even if you require relative
[23:30] MooGoo: no clue
[23:30] MooGoo: but would javascript know the size in bytes of an object or function
[23:30] Dinosaurus: why not?
[23:31] MooGoo: cause it depends on how the implementation stores it
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[23:31] MooGoo: an object could take up more or less room in spider monkey than in v8
[23:31] MooGoo: who knows
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[23:32] Dinosaurus: why shouldn't you be ale to get the size of it O-o
[23:32] MooGoo: what use would itbe
[23:32] MooGoo: in a GC'd language
[23:32] Dinosaurus: to determine the length of a tcp packet
[23:32] Dinosaurus: data 
[23:32] mikegerwitz: Dinosaurus: Perhaps a profiling tool can, but I'm not familiar with v8's API.
[23:32] MooGoo: are you asking just about strings
[23:32] MooGoo: or buffers
[23:32] Dinosaurus: no
[23:32] Dinosaurus: a value from pcap
[23:32] MooGoo: eh?
[23:32] rpj8: SubStack: the alert that should, in my mind, say 'Test' (nor the other alert) are showing
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[23:33] mikegerwitz: Dinosaurus: what is typeof the var?
[23:33] Dinosaurus: object
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[23:34] mikegerwitz: Dinosaurus: then you cannot from JS unless a profiling tool can expose that to you.
[23:34] MooGoo: is it a Buffer?
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[23:34] mikegerwitz: ^ unless that
[23:34] MooGoo: var instanceof Buffer
[23:35] JCP|2: mikegerwitz: delete( require.cache[ require.resolve( './dynamic.js' ) ] ); actually did it!
[23:35] JCP|2: thank you!
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[23:35] Dinosaurus: how do i do that
[23:35] MooGoo: does that force node to reload a module source from disk?
[23:35] mikegerwitz: JCP|2: np. note that delete is also an operator, not a function. The parenthesis there are fine, but deceptive
[23:36] JCP|2: allright I'll remove em
[23:36] mikegerwitz: MooGoo: It should, yes. But it won't magically replace objects in memory
[23:36] JCP|2: Thanks again you rock!
[23:36] MooGoo: clearly
[23:36] MooGoo: still handy
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[23:38] mikegerwitz: JCP|2: The v8 guys also recommend against using delete unless it's necessary, since it slows down property lookups on the object. Setting it to undefined may be sufficient.
[23:38] MrNibbles: mikegerwitz: interesting
[23:39] tuhoojabotti: :O
[23:39] tuhoojabotti: But doesn't it fill up memory?
[23:39] JCP|2: mikegerwitz: Does that mean that using: var dynLibrary = require("dynamic.js"); and inside my watchFile's callback I should just do: dynLibrary = undefined?
[23:40] tuhoojabotti: or is the garbage collector so smart?
[23:40] JCP|2: and reaload it back
[23:40] mikegerwitz: tuhoojabotti: in JCP|2's case it won't matter since the property is being re-used. I suppose so, yes, though it'd be minimal.
[23:40] MrNibbles: im looking forward to the method jit analysis tools
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[23:40] mikegerwitz: tuhoojabotti: GC can't clear it, no.
[23:40] tuhoojabotti: yeah
[23:40] mikegerwitz: JCP|2: no - require.cache[ require.resolve( './dynamic.js' ) ] = undefined
[23:41] rpj8: SubStack: infact, console log doesn't say anything about a client connecting in any way.
[23:41] tuhoojabotti: so it's better to delete my cache entries :P
[23:41] JCP|2: mikegerwitz: Oh unstead to use delete. Got it
[23:41] mikegerwitz: tuhoojabotti: depends. seeing it to undefined will remove the reference to whatever was there previously, which will allow it to be GC'd if nothing else references it. So the amount of memory is equivalent to the value of undefined (however v8 represents that)
[23:42] mikegerwitz: tuhoojabotti: (sorry if that's what you were asking before. I thought you were talking about GC'ing the property itself, which would then contain undefined)
[23:43] tuhoojabotti: I didn't get it
[23:43] tuhoojabotti: my dad is installing a new laptop, and he's drunk
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[23:44] JCP|2: Another quick question: Should I use this.foo = require("file.js"); with file.js: this.foo = "bar"; or I could use global.foo = "bar"; in my .js file and do a normal require("file.js") in my main? 
[23:44] tuhoojabotti: He chose IE!
[23:44] JCP|2: maybe it's not clear what I'm saying
[23:44] mikegerwitz: tuhoojabotti: he must be very drunk, then!
[23:45] mikegerwitz: JCP|2: what are you trying to accomplish?
[23:45] mikegerwitz: JCP|2: globals are never a good idea
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[23:46] JCP|2: I would like to define my program's logic in an object and reload it when the file has changed
[23:46] JCP|2: I must say I was using the global
[23:46] JCP|2: should I rely on this. instead?
[23:47] JCP|2: the dynamic.js is just a big object containing my program's configuration
[23:47] mikegerwitz: I'd just add the value to exports (I think the docs said this === exports, but I'm not certain), then after you require() it, do whatever you need to with that new value
[23:47] JCP|2: this is the object I'm trying to overwrite when dynamic.js is modified
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[23:49] JCP|2: Allright!
[23:51] carpeliam: looking to choose a web socket library to use in my node project, and from what research i've done so far, socket.io is more forward-compatible, but faye has more features. does that sound about right?
[23:52] addisonj_: carpeliam, they are different, faye is a pub sub library, socket.io is just for sockets
[23:52] addisonj_: juggernaught is a pub sub library built on socket.io
[23:52] addisonj_: pub sub can be overkill for a lot of apps
[23:53] SubStack: "pubsub" is like event emitters, but less useful
[23:53] SubStack: transport libraries shouldn't be rolling their own event abstractions
[23:54] carpeliam: my app is a 2 player game, so i want to make sure that only the people playing or watching a particular game will get the messages for that game
[23:54] addisonj_: you can roll your own pretty easily with socket.io, or juggernaught would do that pretty easily
[23:55] SubStack: carpeliam: check out dnode
[23:55] SubStack: 
ACTION wrote it

[23:55] addisonj_: or dnode ;)
[23:56] carpeliam: addisonj_: from what i've read, juggernaut is its own node app- do i set up a separate juggernaut server that talks to my node server, or does juggernaut play well in other apps?
[23:56] addisonj_: trust substack, he is quite smart
[23:56] carpeliam: SubStack: i'll take a look :)
[23:57] SubStack: in fact: http://substack.net/posts/9bac3e
[23:57] SubStack: step-by-step guide on how to roll your own pubsub with dnode
[23:59] OneBraveHog: yeah I saw your github substack - you've created a lot of things !