[00:00] systemfault: PHP has lambdas but they don't have access to their outer scope...
[00:00] swaj: how about some respect for what PHP did accomplish?  it saved us all from perl :P
[00:00] AAA_awright: Determinist: We've got a long way to go for that to happen... Wordpress is an unstoppable massive evil project that must be stopped
[00:00] zmbmartin: niftylettuce: ok nevermind thanks
[00:00] MooGoo: PHP is a prime example of "worse is better"
[00:00] jensn: swaj: So we went from bad to worse..?
[00:00] systemfault: MooGoo: I clearly agree with that.
[00:00] swaj: jensn: exactly!
[00:00] AAA_awright: But it's like stopping a freight train headed towards... what's the worst thing a freight train could be headed towards...
[00:00] Determinist: AAA_awright: wordpress makes me wanna kill something pretty. in fact, most of the big and successfull php projects out there are written so badly, it makes me angry.
[00:01] niftylettuce: AAA_awright: another freight train
[00:01] swaj: Determinist: Wordpress is actually a very, very nice piece of software.
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[00:01] jmoyers: thats true
[00:01] jmoyers: its written in a totally procedural style
[00:01] niftylettuce: automaticcaaaaa
[00:01] jmoyers: which is a little gross
[00:01] jmoyers: but it works well
[00:01] jmoyers: and has shitloads of traction for a reason
[00:01] Determinist: swaj: from the end-user's perspective, true. but the code is goddamn awful and the performance isn't all that great either.
[00:01] swaj: I mean.. I log into my WP admin and it says "hey a new version is out" -- I click "update" and boom, done.
[00:02] swaj: as a user, I love it.
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[00:02] swaj: as a dev, I hate PHP and want to get rid of it :P
[00:02] systemfault: One funny thing about wordpress.. the beta website of playboy.com is using it.. :/
[00:02] systemfault: WTF
[00:02] MooGoo: playboy?
[00:02] MooGoo: does anyone still bother with that victorian crap?
[00:02] AAA_awright: niftylettuce: I'm thinking more like a skyscraper?
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[00:02] Determinist: swaj: boom, done, till they stick some new "BAR" on top of your custom theme and that thing isn't even removable since it's inside the actual vanilla code.
[00:03] AAA_awright: jmoyers: I'm talking more about their GPL virus
[00:03] systemfault: MooGoo: I don't think so, the name is probably more popular than the website and the magazine
[00:03] swaj: eww GPL
[00:03] niftylettuce: AAA_awright: or a bunch of Windows computer boxes / installer CD's
[00:03] systemfault: GPL sucks.
[00:03] jmoyers: well you can thank richard stallman for that
[00:03] systemfault: I wonder if it will die one day.
[00:03] jmoyers: not fucking wordpress
[00:03] Determinist: yeah, it's a brand... it's well recognized
[00:03] swaj: I use MIT for all my stuff.
[00:03] AAA_awright: No, GPL isn't a horrible idea
[00:03] MooGoo: one day cheggit will be a brand
[00:04] swaj: I'm just against copyleft as a whole.
[00:04] AAA_awright: But Wordpress and Drupal somehow think that EVERYTHING that could POSSIBLY work with their software (I'm not joking) is automatically GPL
[00:04] Determinist: GPL is a pretty good idea. i do use MIT for my stuff tho.
[00:04] systemfault: AAA_awright: I hate that they sell it as being "freedom"
[00:04] systemfault: AAA_awright: When it's closer to slavery
[00:04] AAA_awright: And that that's "Freedom"
[00:04] AAA_awright: when haha, it's really slavery
[00:04] swaj: Copyleft is just as bad as copyright.  I'd rather MIT my stuff and let the consumer do what they want with it.
[00:04] AAA_awright: systemfault: My Drupal modules are public domain. Problem, GPL?
[00:04] systemfault: :)
[00:05] Determinist: 
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[00:05] AAA_awright: http://unlicense.org/
[00:05] systemfault: MIT/BSD licenses are fine imho
[00:06] swaj: yeah
[00:06] systemfault: "Don't be a bitch, give credit where it's due"
[00:06] systemfault: "Beside that, do what you want"
[00:06] swaj: "if you use my shit, leave my name here, but sell it for all the money in the world if you can" :P
[00:07] zmbmartin: anyone have an idea how I could use mongolian gridfs stream under /public dir so I can stream photos to the browser as like /public/assets/filename.png ?
[00:07] jerrysv: swaj: and then hire me to maintain it
[00:07] swaj: jerrysv: haha
[00:08] jerrysv: v8: `beers c
[00:08] v8bot: jerrysv: SyntaxError: Unexpected token ILLEGAL
[00:08] jerrysv: gah. can never remember the syntax
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[00:12] jerrysv: `beers c
[00:12] jerrysv: f it
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[00:12] jerrysv: c--
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[00:12] jensn: drink c?
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[00:24] `beers: `beers `beers
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[00:28] isaacs: `beers
[00:28] isaacs: hm, it used to report on stuf there
[00:29] jerrysv: isaacs: yeah, that's what i thought
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[00:31] jerrysv: `show beers
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[00:32] jerrysv: `v beers c
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[00:32] jerrysv: bingo
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[00:37] MooGoo: moogoo++
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[00:37] MooGoo: hey why not
[00:37] chbrown: Hi all. This isn't working for me: eval('function() { console.log("Hello mutherfucker.") }')()
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[00:38] chbrown: Seems like it should.
[00:38] MooGoo: that's a function decrlation
[00:38] MooGoo: needs to be wrapped in ()
[00:38] MooGoo: and it's motherfucker
[00:39] MooGoo: javascript doesnt like it when you misspell profanity
[00:39] deedubs: is there an event on httpServer when its listening?
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[00:40] chbrown: I see. Apparently both the string declaration inside the eval AND the eval itself need to be wrapped in ()'s.
[00:41] MooGoo: what's illegal in eval is just as illegal outside of it
[00:43] chbrown: Okay, what I _really_ wanted to do was this: var some_function = eval('function() { console.log("Hello mutherfucker.") }')
[00:44] chbrown: Oh, but it looks like this works: var some_function = eval('(function() { console.log("Hello mutherfucker.") })')
[00:44] MooGoo: that's what I said
[00:44] chbrown: Err, well, var some_function = eval('(function() { console.log("Hello motherfucker.") })')
[00:44] MooGoo: why would you want to do that
[00:45] chbrown: I'm pulling in "lambda" examples from the Mustache parser specification, and they involve code that, in the original yaml, is given as a string.
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[00:46] DelvarWorld: would it work for you to use the Function constructor? as in 
[00:46] DelvarWorld: var func = new Function('param1', 'param2', 'console.log(param1, param2);'); func(1, 2);
[00:47] DelvarWorld: lets you programatically build a function, and I think generally considered less evil than eval
[00:47] MooGoo: it's the exact same as eval
[00:47] MooGoo: it's eval
[00:47] MooGoo: cept it doesnt execute the code right away
[00:48] chbrown: I'd rather do as little manual parsing of the given code as possible. Thanks, MooGoo, wrapping the eval'ed string with '(' and ')' makes it work. 
[00:48] MooGoo: and....it does not inherit scope
[00:48] jerrysv: or var some_function; eval('some_function = function() { console.log("hello!") }');
[00:48] DelvarWorld: you're a jerk moogoo
[00:48] MooGoo: I know but...why?
[00:48] jmoyers: not ineriting scope
[00:48] jmoyers: is importnat
[00:48] MooGoo: not sure what makes new Function less or more "evil" than eval
[00:49] MooGoo: eval isnt evil anyways
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[00:51] DelvarWorld: actually looks like new Function() is slower http://jsperf.com/function-vs-constructor-vs-eval
[00:52] sharkbone: hi
[00:53] DelvarWorld: TheMoreYouKnow™
[00:54] jmoyers: what the shit
[00:54] jmoyers: "the function body string passed to the Function constructor must be parsed every time it is evaluated."
[00:55] DelvarWorld: where are you reading that
[00:55] chbrown: As if it's going to change? That's ridiculous.
[00:55] jmoyers: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Functions_and_function_scope
[00:55] jmoyers: i don't know about v8
[00:56] DelvarWorld: Therefore the Function constructor should be avoided whenever possible. HUH. I wonder if that's a mozilla specific implementation
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[00:56] jmoyers: given these are trivial examples
[00:57] jmoyers: on this silly microbenchmark
[00:57] jmoyers: but i got MORE ops/sec
[00:57] jmoyers: with Function()
[00:57] jmoyers: on chrome 13
[00:57] DelvarWorld: what a terrible day
[00:57] tbranyen: new Function works really well in some cases
[00:58] jmoyers: which cases?
[00:58] jmoyers: i've seen it used in parsers
[00:58] tbranyen: templating
[00:58] jmoyers: quite a bit
[00:58] jmoyers: ^
[00:59] jmoyers: but why does it 'work really well' in that case, rather than using eval?
[00:59] jmoyers: i get the scoping issues, but aside from that
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[01:00] jmoyers: i saw it being used in jade, for instance
[01:00] tbranyen: scoping differences
[01:00] MooGoo: I've used new Function for performance critical code before and never seen a slowdown
[01:00] tbranyen: new Function and eval are not identical
[01:00] MooGoo: compared to using unevaled functions
[01:00] MooGoo: even in mozilla
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[01:01] MooGoo: that page you linked is crap
[01:01] MooGoo: it also says
[01:01] MooGoo: "Because of this inefficiency, avoid closures whenever possible"
[01:02] tbranyen: yeah closures suck man, down with them
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[01:02] insin: no more declaring functions after anything else then? :D
[01:02] MooGoo: great advice, here's some, in C, cause of inefficency or some shit, dont use pointers
[01:02] jmoyers: are you.. saying something?
[01:02] jmoyers: i asked a question
[01:03] jmoyers: then you guys repeated the scope issue
[01:03] jmoyers: which i understand
[01:03] tbranyen: do u
[01:03] MooGoo: I'm not responding to whatever you asked
[01:03] MooGoo: just pointing out that that page is full of shit
[01:03] MooGoo: even if it's from mozilla
[01:03] jmoyers: okay okay, the page from mozilla is shit
[01:03] tbranyen: you're saying why does it work better than eval
[01:03] jmoyers: very good
[01:03] jmoyers: i was asking a question
[01:03] tbranyen: scoping is a pretty big deal
[01:03] jmoyers: i dont have a bias
[01:03] tbranyen: i didn't say you did
[01:03] tbranyen: why infers a question :)
[01:04] jmoyers: so the answer then, is there is no reason, other than scope
[01:04] sharkbone: what is the best way to handle different client connection logic to the same server
[01:04] DelvarWorld: I try to scope at least 3 times daily
[01:04] tbranyen: jmoyers: afaik yeah
[01:04] jmoyers: thank you
[01:04] tbranyen: no chance in accidentally introducing globals
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[01:07] sharkbone:  a client is connected to the server and another client is dependent on this persistent connection to this server i have been able to create array objects to hold references for both clients that are connected who do i handle the second connection dependent on the first client ?
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[01:11] DelvarWorld: sharkbone: what do you mean handle? you can keep track of the first client and listen for when it connects / disconnects, and if it does either while the second client is connected you can send it whatever message you need
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[01:16] sharkbone: @DelvarWorld: One client is called game client the other is called bay client and they both connect to the socket reader server. Now the gameclient is currently persistent since that is where game activities thrive a lot according to game player actions. the bayboard clients role is get scores every second or less. The truth of the matter is they are both using the same ip address identities and have a common station called the kiosk so this is where i nee
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[01:17] sharkbone: information and where i specific is forwarded to each kiosk type ie game client or bay client
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[01:19] DelvarWorld: not sure I follow, can't you keep track of which connection is what client in your program, and have them connect and send messages in some protocol so you know who is who
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[01:41] AAA_awright: Is there a regex to match a Javascript variable name?
[01:41] DelvarWorld: be more specific
[01:42] AAA_awright: Where does the ECMAScript spec define a valid variable name that you would expect after the 'var' keyword?
[01:43] jmoyers: [a-zA-Z_$][0-9a-zA-Z_$]*
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[01:43] DelvarWorld: if it's a key on an object I believe it can have any character in it, if it's a var declared character should just be alphanumeric and unerscores
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[01:44] AAA_awright: Yeah I'm looking for var specifically
[01:44] DelvarWorld: why are you trying to regex out a var from a string
[01:44] AAA_awright: And it can't be a keyword, though it can if it's in a . or []
[01:44] jmoyers: 
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[01:44] AAA_awright: Thanks jmoyers
[01:44] jmoyers: cant start with a number, but can have them
[01:44] AAA_awright: Yeah
[01:44] jmoyers: so you have to have two classes
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[01:44] DTrejo: jmoyers :)
[01:45] jmoyers: yo
[01:45] jmoyers: how was xmen :P?
[01:45] jmoyers: 
ACTION has not seen xmen, shit

[01:48] slickplaid: jmoyers: it was pretty good until they all died at the end. Then it was just sad. :(
[01:48] DelvarWorld: it *can* be a keyword, it just shouldn't be
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[02:36] DTrejo: jmoyers: oh it was good :)
[02:36] DTrejo: i haven't been to the movies in a while
[02:36] jmoyers: 
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[02:36] DTrejo: was definitely fun, coulda been more blood and gore maybe though hehe
[02:37] jmoyers: nice
[02:37] jmoyers: i will have to check it out
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[03:21] davidbanham: Does Express emit an event when I bind an http server to a port? Similar to the way dgram emits "listening" when I bind it?
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[03:32] aurojit: davidbanham: It emits a listening event
[03:32] aurojit: (it has the same name)
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[03:38] davidbanham: aurojit: Mind taking a look at this for me? I only seem to be catching the event from my dgram server and not my express http server. - http://pastebin.com/W5AAAvi8
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[03:46] aurojit: davidbanham: I seem to be wrong (I saw things in express using a listening event from the server), essentially the listen function ends up calling net.listen
[03:47] aurojit: which happens to emit a listening message, but i can't seem to find out why you can't trap it
[03:47] aurojit: i'll try a bit more in a little
[03:50] davidbanham: aurojit: No big deal. It's just an info function so I know the server is up, I'll just use a callback on the listen method. The docs seem to indicate that there's no event fired on listen, however there is one fired on close - http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.8/api/net.html#server.listen
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[04:09] aurojit: davidbanham: yeah i know, except if you look at the code its way of doing the callback is to subscribe the callback to the listening event
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[04:09] aurojit: https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/lib/net.js#L1021
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[04:21] monokrome: Anyone know any libraries that make it simple to share code between the client & server?
[04:21] monokrome: r.js seems to fail horribly
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[04:22] monokrome: Now.JS might solve the problem, but in a different way.
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[04:25] gf3: monokrome: what kind of code?
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[04:31] aurojit: monokrome: have you looked at https://github.com/marak/gemini.js (I have not used it but remember looking at it)
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[04:41] jmoyers: monokrome SubStack would say browserify https://github.com/substack/node-browserify
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[04:51] SubStack: jmoyers: I just might!
[04:51] SubStack:  also dnode
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[04:51] jmoyers: ;-)
[04:52] SubStack: 
ACTION is fixing pesky browserify bugs right now as it happens

[04:52] SubStack: v1.0 will be super great
[04:52] SubStack: complete overhaul of the innards
[04:53] SubStack: and even more tests
[04:53] tim_smart: 
ACTION is making a html -> markdown parser

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[04:58] hipe: tjholwaychuk: another programming language! really!  :D   o_O 
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[05:06] mikey_p: what's the best non-mongoose mongo db connector?
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[05:10] framlin: mikey_p: couchDB ;)
[05:10] mikey_p: except I actually know my way around mongo
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[05:53] DelvarWorld: Have you guys ever seen node eat an error, as in somewhere in a complex call stack an error occurs (like referencing an undefined variable) that should throw an error, but you never see the error thrown
[05:53] DelvarWorld: and you only find it by running through the execution step by step
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[06:00] jmoyers: DelvarWorld process.on('uncaughtException') can swallow things
[06:00] jmoyers: it is a poopy
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[06:06] niftylettuce: SubStack: hey yt?
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[06:22] SubStack: niftylettuce: mrow
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[06:34] mawkor2: anyone have issues with node (or v8) choking on some regular expressions?
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[06:35] adnam: mawkor2: perhaps you have some greedy/lazy business that makes the regex inefficient?
[06:35] adnam: doing something like /(.+?)(.+?)/ is slooow
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[06:45] niftylettuce: SubStack: hallooo tharrr
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[06:53] SubStack: hackedy hack
[06:54] SubStack: so traverse's deepEqual had a very silly bug
[06:54] SubStack: not that anybody is using that function I expect
[06:54] SubStack: but they should, especially now!
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[06:54] SubStack: assert.deepEqual() is far less strict
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[06:56] niftylettuce: SubStack: dnode IE no workyzz
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[06:57] DelvarWorld: GRARGH. js syntax can be a bitch in tracking down bugs
[06:57] DelvarWorld: ended a long string concat line with a ; in the middle, making the next line starting with + not have any effect
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[06:59] SubStack: niftylettuce: yeah I know :(
[06:59] SubStack: working on that
[06:59] SubStack: chapel had some luck by changing the json2 shim around
[07:00] niftylettuce: yea im buds with chapel
[07:00] niftylettuce: SubStack: is it just an htmlfile error or ?
[07:00] SubStack: not sure yet
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[07:02] SubStack: I'm working on all the machinery that will let me test this stuff easily
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[07:03] SubStack: a supplementary product for browserling even
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[07:22] jackish: sup guys, whats the Right mysql module to use for a simple project?
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[07:37] [AD]Turbo: hi there
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[07:52] elliottcable: v8: 1 << 4
[07:52] v8bot: elliottcable: 16
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[07:52] elliottcable: v8: 16 >> 4
[07:52] v8bot: elliottcable: 1
[07:52] elliottcable: v8: 15 >> 4
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[07:52] elliottcable: v8: 17 >> 4
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[07:54] elliottcable: v8: 16 >> 2
[07:54] v8bot: elliottcable: 4
[07:54] elliottcable: v8: 1 << 9
[07:54] v8bot: elliottcable: 512
[07:54] elliottcable: v8: 512 >> 2
[07:54] v8bot: elliottcable: 128
[07:55] elliottcable: hm, can’t shift around into a maximum in JS, can you. /-:
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[07:57] aurojit: eliottcable: what do you mean by shift around into a maximum?
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[07:57] elliottcable: aurojit: well, not a shift. rotate.
[07:58] elliottcable: which, to my knowledge, JavaScript doesn’t have.
[07:58] aurojit: rotate is easy to fake though
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[07:59] aurojit: var x = (y << rotby) | (y >> (32 - rotby)) assuming y is 32 bits long
[07:59] elliottcable: not actually writing JavaScript right now. Just using v8bot to test sommat. Ignore me :3
[07:59] aurojit: but in general it works out for n bits
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[08:11] Skola: is $.data(lulz, lelz, lilz) still a lot faster than $(lulz).data(lelz, lilz) in recent jQuery versions?
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[08:14] elliottcable: v8: Math.sqrt(256)
[08:14] v8bot: elliottcable: 16
[08:14] elliottcable: v8: Math.sqrt(257)
[08:14] v8bot: elliottcable: 16.0312195418814
[08:14] elliottcable: v8: Math.sqrt(512)
[08:14] v8bot: elliottcable: 22.627416997969522
[08:14] elliottcable: v8: Math.sqrt(1 << 2)
[08:14] v8bot: elliottcable: 2
[08:14] elliottcable: v8: Math.sqrt(1 << 3)
[08:14] v8bot: elliottcable: 2.8284271247461903
[08:14] elliottcable: v8: Math.sqrt(1 << 4)
[08:14] v8bot: elliottcable: 4
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[08:16] blueadept: would anyone happen to know why expression changes a session id 2 or 3 times once facebook connect has authenticated?
[08:17] blueadept: or what's weird is that in one of my apps, sometimes it changes the session id 3 times to a different id, or it changes it to exactly the same id
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[08:21] blueadept: ok so here are my session id's: sometimes this happens; http://i.imgur.com/ihZ46.png, and other times this happens: http://i.imgur.com/Kfmjm.png
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[08:27] samyak: anybody who has worked with tobi ?
[08:27] samyak: my post with body in the options is not working 
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[08:28] monokrome: elliottcable: You know browsers can do that too, right? :D
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[08:34] framlin:  
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[08:36] cryptix: Hi, isnt node supposed to return the words one after the other in this example? http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/402035/
[08:36] viz: what are some of the more active node.js blogs out there (besides dailyjs)?
[08:36] cryptix: i see nothing untill the last timeout is finished
[08:37] samyak: in tobi , when I a simulate a POST requestm the body part is not supplied to the express.js ( which is the server ) ...
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[08:37] samyak: what I would be doing wrong ?
[08:37] Skola: viz I recommend joining the mailing lists if you haven't already
[08:37] samyak: the POST is simulated but the body is not received by the express.js
[08:38] cryptix: samyak: do you have the express.bodyParser() in configured?
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[08:39] samyak: cryptix, yes and using curl it is working fine
[08:39] viz: Skola: which?
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[08:39] samyak: I am basically using vows.js as framework
[08:40] samyak: and utilizing the tobi's browser capabilities .. 
[08:40] cryptix: never used those
[08:40] Skola: viz https://groups.google.com/group/nodejs?hl=nl and many others
[08:40] samyak: should.js is also what I am using at the testing side
[08:40] Skola: I like jasmine :[]
[08:40] cryptix: but if its working with curl, your frontend seems to be the problem
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[08:43] viz: Skola: thanks
[08:43] Skola: no problem
[08:43] Clex: Hi. I try to use connect au connect-auth and I'm having this error http://pastebin.ca/raw/2076045 with a lot a snippets found on the internet. Any ideas?
[08:44] Clex: s/au/and/
[08:44] Skola: I also subscribe to the express.js one, and to the mongoose list
[08:44] Skola: quite active
[08:44] samyak: cryptix, what's your fav testing framework ? I am still in evaluation stage
[08:44] samyak: and would like to get recommendation 
[08:45] Skola: samyak, expresso + should.js / jasmine is good
[08:45] Skola: I find vows a biiiit verbose, but still nice
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[08:48] samyak: Skola, was that for me ?
[08:48] Skola: yeah
[08:49] cryptix: 
ACTION likes timeouts

[08:49] cryptix: did my question get through?
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[08:51] wolfeidau: Skola: Know of any good examples of that set open to browse ? I am also about to try and test some stuff i have been messing with :)
[08:51] blueadept: anyone know what makes express connect issue 3 keys per session?
[08:51] Skola: yes on github
[08:51] Skola: https://github.com/visionmedia/should.js/tree/master/examples
[08:52] Skola: https://github.com/visionmedia/should.js/tree/master/examples
[08:52] Skola: oops
[08:52] Skola: https://github.com/pivotal/jasmine/tree/master/example
[08:52] Skola: this
[08:52] Skola: good examples for jasmine are kinda lacking
[08:52] Skola: but it's pretty easy
[08:52] samyak: cryptix, you mean to say my testing framework  I guess
[08:54] Skola: and I test my routes with gets, though there's probably a better way
[08:54] cryptix: samyak: nah.. looks like i was talking to myself before i got ping timout :)
[08:54] samyak: cryptix, nevermind ... I nejoyed the evesdropping :)
[08:55] wolfeidau: Skola: Thanks a heap :)
[08:55] cryptix: can somebody take a look at this simple example and tell me why i only see the string after the last timout with the res.end fired? http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/402035/
[08:55] Skola: no problem, : ]
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[08:56] framlin: is anyone here experienced with uglyfy-js?
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[08:56] framlin: I would like to rescue the comments within the AST .... any hints?
[08:59] cryptix: i just want to reproduce the behaviour thats shown in this example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo_B4LTHi3I#at=1020
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[09:07] Shinuza: framlin: I think there's an hint in the readme
[09:08] Shinuza: "In fact it’s not the beautifier who discards comments — they are dumped at the parsing stage, when we build the initial AST."
[09:09] j3zzu: who wants to see some magic?
[09:10] mscdex: j3zzu: i dunno, we see a lot of magic in here pretty often
[09:10] mscdex: d'oh
[09:10] Skola: lol
[09:10] mscdex: maybe quitting was the magic trick?
[09:10] mscdex: ;)
[09:11] Skola: yeah, he vanished, just like that
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[09:14] blueadept: holy crap i just spent fucking 2 hours figure out what was breaking my sessions with with my node app
[09:15] blueadept: god damn FirePHP
[09:15] blueadept: which got bundled with firebug, wtf 
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[09:16] samyak: if there is a req in express.js without content-type header set ... would it be ignored ?
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[09:17] framlin: Shinuza: I have read that and at another place ther is: -nc or --no-copyright -- by default, uglifyjs will keep the initial comment tokens in the generated code (assumed to be copyright 
[09:17] framlin: Shinuza: so I imagine it should be possible to keep all comments, not only the initial ....
[09:17] Shinuza: I don't think so
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[09:18] framlin: do you thing the parser keeps only the initial-comments?
[09:18] Shinuza: yep
[09:19] Shinuza: Those are the only comments you'd like to keep around
[09:19] framlin: ok, is ther sombody experienced how to change that  parse-js.js to keep all comments?
[09:19] Shinuza: or that's what they assume
[09:19] framlin: ;)
[09:19] Shinuza: why do you want to keep comments and obfuscate at the same time?
[09:19] framlin: yes, they may assume, but for me comments are vital ...
[09:19] framlin: everywhere ....
[09:20] framlin: Shinuza: I do not want to obfuscate anything, I want to transform JS-SourceCode into EMF/UML-M;odels and back
[09:22] cryptix: my http server doesnt send the data from response.write() until i call response.end().. why?
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[09:23] Shinuza: framlin: oh, then I'm not sure the parser included in uglifyjs would help you
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[09:24] Shinuza: you'd have to modify the parser to include comments
[09:24] Shinuza: as you suggested
[09:24] framlin: yes, if the would not drop the comments, it would be perfect
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[09:25] Shinuza: framlin: is node mandatory for this job?
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[09:25] framlin: I can do this transformation, but I keep some informations that I have to transport while the transformations within ({@:{"xmi:id":uuid}}) - statements, that I for myself call "annotatiuon", but thats very very ugly
[09:26] framlin: Shinuza: yes, I want to use node
[09:26] Shinuza: then you'd either need to find a parser/lexer for javascript node that all so keep comments node around
[09:27] Shinuza: or modify uglifyjs
[09:27] Shinuza: or write your own
[09:27] framlin: but the concept, to transorm both JS-Code and UML to AST ant merge/sync/transform them, is working very well
[09:28] framlin: my current plan is to modify parse-js.js or process.js as needed
[09:28] framlin: I do not want to write my own ;)
[09:28] samyak: tj
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[09:31] cryptix: why does expressjs need openssl support in node if i dont want to create a https server?
[09:33] samyak: found it !! tobi is doesn't set a content-type header by default ... and the express.js body parser wount work without it
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[09:33] samyak: so therefore I didn't get the POST requests req.body in express.js
[09:34] Skola: how do you POST it?
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[09:45] blueadept: would anyone know why this is reading 0 bytes? http://pastie.org/private/ivggcgutunmlyvwya209cq
[09:46] blueadept: the file exists
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[09:46] blueadept: its like 6kb
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[09:48] elliottcable: monokrome: I’m lazy.
[09:48] jetienne: hi
[09:49] bnoordhuis: blueadept: what is the stream variable?
[09:49] blueadept: let me edit the doc to include that stuff
[09:50] blueadept: http://pastie.org/private/ivggcgutunmlyvwya209cq
[09:50] samyak: skola, http://vilimpoc.org/blog/2011/01/19/testing-rest-api-with-learnboosts-tobi-vows-js/
[09:51] samyak: Skola, only thing is that one need to set the required headers as well, otherwise express.js will not recognize the req.body
[09:51] bnoordhuis: blueadept: couldn't this be an issue with gridfs?
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[09:51] samyak: Skola, that has not been mentioned in the blogpost nor in the README of tobi
[09:52] bnoordhuis: blueadept: what happens if you pipe it to a real writestream object?
[09:52] blueadept: yes the possibility is gridfs as well
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[09:52] blueadept: i'll try that next
[09:52] Skola: samyak maybe it's in express docs
[09:52] blueadept: this all happend after i upgraded node to 4.8
[09:52] blueadept: so it could very well be grid itself as well
[09:52] blueadept: or mon mongolian driver
[09:53] blueadept: mon*my
[09:53] samyak: Skola, yeah I found out that using http://groups.google.com/group/nodejs/browse_thread/thread/4d242c197ef5338f
[09:53] samyak: but defaulting at tobi level is what would I expect
[09:53] samyak: opened up an issue
[09:54] Skola: good yeah
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[09:59] Stubbs: Hi all, I've got a problem starting nodejs
[09:59] Stubbs: https://gist.github.com/999180
[10:00] samyak: Skola, it can be also due to lack of documentation ... which is, well, expected at the start of a project ..
[10:00] samyak: funny thing is both of the project are from same authors :)
[10:00] Stubbs: It looks like the config isn't valid, but it looks Ok to me
[10:00] Stubbs: Anyone seen this before?
[10:00] samyak: Stubbs, is it config.json ?
[10:01] Skola: samyak, some people are pushing out node open-source stuff at a mad rate
[10:01] Skola: can't have it all (yet)
[10:02] samyak: Skola, if you are talking about tj i would say he has done a great job ... I can't complain if those things are not yet perfect for me !!!
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[10:03] Stubbs: samyak:  The file is called config.js
[10:04] Shinuza: Stubbs: this is not valid json
[10:04] bnoordhuis: Stubbs: the keys need to be quoted
[10:05] Stubbs: bnoordhuis:  Same error.
[10:06] bnoordhuis: Stubbs: have you updated the gist?
[10:08] Stubbs: bnoordhuis:  Not recently.
[10:08] samyak: you can check the well formedness  at the jslint.org/com 
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[10:08] Skola: http://jsonlint.com/
[10:08] Skola: lol
[10:09] Skola: didn't see you posted it
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[10:11] Stubbs: samyak, Skola bnoordhuis Ok, gist updated with valid JSON, still get the same error.
[10:11] Stubbs: https://gist.github.com/999180
[10:12] Skola: ew
[10:13] Skola: well it says something else in your config.js
[10:13] Skola: /Users/stuart/Documents/git/statsd/config.js:3
[10:13] Skola: , graphiteHost: "graphite.host.com"
[10:13] Skola: !== "graphiteHost": "localhost",
[10:13] Skola: or am I missing something
[10:14] Shinuza: the gist for the error isn't up to date
[10:14] Skola: cus if you JSONLint this:     "graphitePort": 2003,
[10:14] Skola:     graphiteHost: "localhost",
[10:14] Stubbs: no, I missed updating the error message ...
[10:14] Skola:     "port": 8125
[10:14] Skola: oh right
[10:14] Skola: can I see it?
[10:14] Stubbs: Yeah, gist updated ...
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[10:16] Skola: you're doing a require and then what?
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[10:21] chjj: did crankshaft get fixed for x64?
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[10:22] Stubbs: Skola:  Me?
[10:22] Skola: ja
[10:22] Stubbs: This isn't my code, it's statsd from Etsy.
[10:23] Skola: ew ok
[10:24] blueadept: what's a way to see what the browser is waiting for if at the bottom of your screen you see "waiting for www.domain.com" ?
[10:25] blueadept: wait n/m, figured it out
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[10:29] mscdex: chjj: i'm pretty sure it did, not sure what version though
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[10:40] mscdex: Stubbs: i don't think it's supposed to be json, it's supposed to be a pure js object
[10:40] mscdex: but i guess it should work the same
[10:42] mscdex: statsd looks kinda outdated too :/
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[10:51] jetienne: q. i look for a exmaple of jsonp using expressjs, anybody got keywords/links ?
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[10:56] Multiply: Is there a proper, yet lightweight for web development (including templating?), for node.js?
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[10:57] Multiply: lightweight framework*
[10:57] Skola: looked at express?
[10:58] Stubbs: mscdex:  Outdated?
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[10:59] jetienne: Multiply: expressjs is quite popular, not buggy and quite documented
[11:00] mscdex: Stubbs: it's still using the sys module and things like process.compile
[11:00] mscdex: :S
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[11:03] Stubbs: mscdex:  ah, Ok.
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[11:10] Stubbs: If this trial goes well, I'll no doubt update statsd, those issues you mention are already down in the issues log.
[11:10] Stubbs: would any on those things you mention cause this?
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[11:19] cryptix: hm... why does express depend on openssl even though sessions arnt used?
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[11:22] saeid: salam
[11:22] saeid: hi
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[11:22] saeid: helloooooooooooooo
[11:23] saeid: is any body here?
[11:23] Skola: no
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[11:23] Skola: everyone died, cy@
[11:23] saeid: :D
[11:23] saeid: death land :D
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