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[16:15] jmoyers: :: shrugs ::
[16:15] spaceinvader: pandeiro: http://paste.org/pastebin/view/33932
[16:15] spaceinvader: pandeiro: maybe something like that
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[16:16] pandeiro: spaceinvader: cheers, worked
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[16:17] rpj8: jmoyers: wow.
[16:17] rpj8: that was it.
[16:17] rpj8: I feel very silly.
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[16:18] chjj: v8: delete function(){}()
[16:18] v8bot: chjj: true
[16:18] chjj: i win
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[16:19] chjj: v8: Object.prototype.toString.call(void 0)
[16:19] v8bot: chjj: "[object global]"
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[16:20] rpj8: jmoyers: thanks for your help
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[16:22] chjj: v8: -~+delete function(){}()
[16:22] v8bot: chjj: 2
[16:22] chjj: v8bot, why are you bad at math
[16:22] chjj: kohai is so much better than you
[16:23] context: haha
[16:23] Tobsn: rauchg, whats the easiest way to get the clients ip? client.listener.socket.remoteAddress?
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[16:24] chjj: well, wherever it is, socket.remoteAddress is where it came from
[16:24] chjj: but thats a lot of property lookups there ;)
[16:24] chjj: @Tobsn
[16:24] Tobsn: lol
[16:24] Tobsn: true
[16:25] Tobsn: lets say i want to reply the IP address to the connector
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[16:25] Tobsn: socket.on( 'connect', func(client){client.on('message',func(){ socket.send( socket.remoteAddress ); }) } ); ?
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[16:26] context: uhh
[16:26] context: client would have the remote ip id think
[16:26] context: socket is the listening socket. it has no remote ip
[16:26] Tobsn: im not sure about the scope and session data here... is connection triggered by each remote connection so each client obj is specific to its connection?
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[16:26] jmoyers: yes
[16:27] context: tobsn: each connection is its own socket.
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[16:27] Tobsn: k so socket.on('connection',func(client){}) the client is always unique to its socket at the moment handled
[16:27] Tobsn: okay, that makes sense
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[16:28] context: tobsn: yes.
[16:28] Tobsn: well its still at least client.listener.connection.remoteAddress or something
[16:28] context: listener sounds like its hitting socket. which has no remote address
[16:29] context: listening socket has no 'other end'
[16:29] Tobsn: its what client holds
[16:29] sirganya: anyone used SC.Webview to trigger a download?
[16:29] Tobsn: {listener:{connection{},etc.}}
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[16:29] context: what is client
[16:29] context: a net.Socket ?
[16:29] context: just do client.remoteAddress
[16:30] Tobsn: comes from the connection
[16:30] context: yes.
[16:30] context: its still a socket.
[16:30] sirganya: oops.. wrong group
[16:30] Tobsn: k
[16:30] context: oh no wait
[16:30] Tobsn: hehe
[16:30] context: are you getting connections or connecting to something
[16:30] context: there is no 'connect' event on net.Server
[16:31] jmoyers: this is socket.io
[16:31] context: tobsn: is this coming from createServer or createConnection
[16:31] context: oh.
[16:31] jmoyers: presumably
[16:31] jmoyers: looking at the syntax
[16:31] Tobsn: its server side, socket = io.listen(); socket.on('connection', function( client ) { client.on( 'message', function(msg){ console.log(client); })} )
[16:31] zmbmartin: tjholowaychuk: how do I accomplish a rails style content_for in express?
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[16:31] tjholowaychuk: zmbmartin you would have to have access to the template engines buffer
[16:32] tjholowaychuk: so it depends which engine
[16:32] Tobsn: context, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=fdjiWj0L
[16:32] zmbmartin: jade
[16:32] Tobsn: looks like that
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[16:33] tjholowaychuk: zmbmartin i eventually want something like that for everything but it's touch to accommodate all of them
[16:33] context: i dont know socket.io :x seems odd they wouldnt make accessing the remote addr simple
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[16:33] Tobsn: hehe
[16:33] Tobsn: rauchg, im requesting client.remoteAddress :P
[16:33] context: tobsn: but this is an incoming connection?
[16:33] drudge: pull request!
[16:33] jmoyers: ^
[16:33] jmoyers: also
[16:33] Tobsn: yep
[16:33] jmoyers: ip address
[16:34] zmbmartin: tjholowaychuk: is it possible for me to do it with jade right now?
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[16:34] jmoyers: is not something you typically NEED off a web socket connection
[16:34] context: well
[16:34] Tobsn: well
[16:34] context: io.listen has no 'connect' event
[16:34] tjholowaychuk: zmbmartin probably, i dont have time to write it right now though
[16:34] tjholowaychuk: but yeah
[16:34] Tobsn: hu?
[16:34] pandeiro: spaceinvader: btw found out by accident just now that you can just inline html tags in jade :)
[16:34] Tobsn: yeah it has
[16:34] Tobsn: i mean its working here
[16:35] zmbmartin: tjholowaychuk: ok thanks, I will see what I can come up with.
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[16:36] context: tobsn: io.listen has a 'connection' event
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[16:36] Tobsn: socket.on( 'connection', function( client ) {
[16:36] Tobsn: well, yeah
[16:36] Tobsn: i mean...
[16:37] Tobsn: there is also no func(){} and i just used it in the example :P
[16:37] context: heh. technically 'connect' is an event though. which is why i stopped for a sec.
[16:37] Tobsn: oh
[16:37] Tobsn: i see what you mean
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[16:37] Tobsn: now tell me how to send to that specific client :P
[16:38] drudge: client.send()
[16:39] Tobsn: lol yeah, just figured that out :D
[16:39] Tobsn: that was easy
[16:39] drudge: there is also client.sessionId which maps to server.clients[sessionId]
[16:39] Tobsn: would be socket.clients right?
[16:39] context: tobsn: you want client.connection
[16:39] context: not listener
[16:39] Tobsn: if you initiate with socket = io.listen
[16:40] Tobsn: k
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[16:40] drudge: Tobsn: yes
[16:40] context: oh. haha.
[16:40] context: yeah you have access to the client.
[16:40] Tobsn: context, yeah youre right
[16:41] context: but if you're just needing to send, what they said
[16:41] Tobsn: btw. does anyone use socket.io-cluster?
[16:41] Tobsn: cluster( server ).use( bridge( socket ) ).listen( 3000 ); - gives me a "TypeError: object is not a function"
[16:41] softdrink: heh neat. crash a chrome tab in 3 characters: open a tab. open the js console. type "[]." (without quotes)
[16:42] Tobsn: softdrink, doesnt work here
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[16:42] Tobsn: i end up on a google search for it
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[16:43] softdrink: you typed it in the js console, right?
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[16:43] Tobsn: oh
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[16:44] level09: where is the Math api for node.js ?
[16:45] level09: rand, floor, round etc ..
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[16:45] level09: isn't that built in ?
[16:45] softdrink: that's built into js
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[16:45] level09: ah right
[16:45] level09: sorry :)
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[16:46] level09: still, at the console, random() generates an error
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[16:48] softdrink: Math.random()?
[16:49] level09: aha thanks !
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[16:49] Tobsn: level09, http://www.w3schools.com/js/default.asp
[16:49] Tobsn: :P
[16:50] level09: :DD
[16:50] Tobsn: softdrink, tred it in console, doesnt work
[16:50] Tobsn: just says unexpected token }
[16:50] softdrink: Tobsn: what version?
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[16:51] Tobsn: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1656816/Screenshots/3y9na5eeqx9f.png
[16:52] Tobsn: (btw. dropbox + grabbox = take screenshots with shift + cmd + 4 = instant dropbox upload and copy public url into clipboard)
[16:52] Tobsn: most awesome thing ever.
[16:52] Tobsn: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1656816/Screenshots/_qnau880idk3.png <-full window
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[16:54] softdrink: must be a new bug or something. i'm running 13.0.772.0 dev
[16:55] pandark_: Hi. Is it possible to use underscore.js as a template engine for express.js?
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[16:57] lukstr: Tobsn: I have a bash script that has been doing that for years :)
[16:57] Tobsn: :D
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[16:57] Tobsn: i just found that a month ago or so
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[16:58] Tobsn: blew my mind because it integrates with native funtionality + dropbox
[16:58] Tobsn: pretty nice.
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[16:59] lukstr: anything's possible with a good customizable os and the internet
[16:59] spasquali: anyone else having trouble installing msgpack?
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[17:02] vdemedes: Hello!
[17:02] vdemedes: How to get the URL for just uploaded file with knox?
[17:02] vdemedes: uploaded to Amazon S3
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[17:03] vdemedes: I'm getting it manually right now, like: 'http://bucket.amazonaws.com/' + filename
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[17:04] tjholowaychuk: vdemedes check out the source
[17:04] tjholowaychuk: it's documented and it's your friend :D
[17:04] vdemedes: ok
[17:05] vdemedes: btw
[17:05] vdemedes: tjholowaychuk: what if I'm using Cloudfront?
[17:05] vdemedes: tjholowaychuk: how to get URLs for files, if they are under Cloudfront?
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[17:06] Tobsn: that tool + visor and expandrive
[17:07] Tobsn: vdemedes, you have to set it yourself
[17:07] Tobsn: get your cloudfront url and attach the path
[17:07] vdemedes: Tobsn: and I will get URLs as usual?
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[17:08] vdemedes: using knox.url(filename)?
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[17:14] Tobsn: vdemedes, the path are always the same
[17:14] Tobsn: the only thing that changes is the host
[17:14] vdemedes: yea
[17:14] Tobsn: from bucket.blahamazon.com to yourcloudfronturl.com
[17:15] Tobsn: or even your cname
[17:15] vdemedes: so how can I know the host for my filename under CDN?
[17:15] vdemedes: ohh
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[17:15] vdemedes: I define cloudfront name?
[17:15] vdemedes: cloudfront host?
[17:15] Tobsn: you can
[17:15] Tobsn: with cname
[17:15] vdemedes: pph
[17:15] Tobsn: i.cdn.cm/ss/themes/4dc9cf534499f405561d0000-t160.jpeg
[17:15] vdemedes: ooh
[17:15] Tobsn: see ;)
[17:15] vdemedes: ok
[17:15] vdemedes: I got it
[17:15] vdemedes: thank you!
[17:15] Tobsn: np ;)
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[17:17] CIA-90: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r9d1bad8 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Implement new wrap for uv timer - http://bit.ly/kBBpFu
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[17:21] Tobsn: hmm does socket.io has a onready function?
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[17:21] hipe: tjholowaychuk: master HEAD of express-resource looks broken w/ master HEAD of express, after the routing refactor (something about the remove() method isn't on app.router anymore)
[17:22] tjholowaychuk: yeah i need to updat eit
[17:22] hipe: i would like to try to submit a bug report and a pull request if i can find a fix, but i'm wondering if yr in the middle of it ;)
[17:22] tjholowaychuk: not right now nope
[17:22] hipe: kk thx !
[17:22] tjholowaychuk: app.remove('/route') or app.get('/route').remove() same thing
[17:22] tjholowaychuk: instead of app.router.remove9)
[17:23] hipe: ah yes that's waht i was thinking . excellent thx!! glad ur here
[17:23] context: tobsn: whats onready?
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[17:24] Tobsn: well, when its done connecting but i guess i can just use on connection
[17:24] Tobsn: hmm
[17:24] context: tobsn: the client side has a 'conenct' event
[17:24] Tobsn: yeah just used that
[17:24] Tobsn: 'connect'
[17:25] context: tobsn: https://github.com/LearnBoost/Socket.IO
[17:25] context: read it ;)
[17:25] Tobsn: :P
[17:25] Tobsn: too lazy :P
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[17:25] Tobsn: trying to build a instant search like google does it
[17:25] Tobsn: btw.
[17:26] Tobsn: anyone an idea how to do the shebang stuff?
[17:26] Tobsn: thats js bbq right?
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[17:26] context: hmmm. how does everyone here gist, any simple command tools or something?
[17:27] TheJH: hello, does anyone know where linux-tick-processor.py is?
[17:27] context: uhh
[17:27] lukstr: TheJH: what
[17:27] lukstr: .py?
[17:27] orospakr: aside from the "main" field, how does npm set up require() paths for the contents of a given package? what do I do if I want to require() some specific module inside a package I depend on?
[17:27] tjholowaychuk: TheJH in v8
[17:27] context: in trunk/tools
[17:28] TheJH: tjholowaychuk, context, thank you
[17:28] context: orospakr: then you require('package').Module ?
[17:28] orospakr: context, assume for the moment that "main" is not set in that package's package.json.
[17:29] orospakr: (I tried that, and it require() complained that the package could not be found)
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[17:29] orospakr: (well, module could not be found.)
[17:30] context: is it installed ?
[17:30] context: what package.
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[17:30] orospakr: context, should be. `npm install persistencejs` in the cwd, ran node as REPL and attempted to require().
[17:31] orospakr: that particular package's doc says you can load it with: "var persistence = require('persistencejs/persistence').persistence;"
[17:31] orospakr: however, that fails for me.
[17:31] orospakr: It's worth noting that other packages in ~/node_modules load fine.
[17:31] lukstr: TheJH: isn't it a shell script?
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[17:32] context: orospakr: require("persistence") no work ?
[17:32] TheJH: lukstr, yes, seems so - but I hope that node-profile works anyway
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[17:33] context: orospakr: msg the dude and tell him to fix his crap
[17:33] context: or just require("persistencejs")
[17:33] orospakr: persistencejs does not have a main: in its package.json, so it looks like that require() relies on some implicit path behaviour (perhaps NPM sets node_modules as part of the node.js library path?)
[17:33] orospakr: neither works.
[17:33] context: orospakr: that package is showing usage of node 0.2.0
[17:33] orospakr: although, I'm going to try something...
[17:33] orospakr: context, ah, yeah.
[17:33] orospakr: good point, there.
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[17:33] context: orospakr: what does persistence do that you need
[17:33] context: everything in node is async.
[17:34] orospakr: aha, require('persistencejs/lib/persistence') does work.
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[17:34] drudge: gross
[17:34] lukstr: orospakr: oh dear
[17:34] orospakr: context, I'm evaluating various db abstractors.
[17:34] orospakr: s/abstractors/abstraction layers/
[17:34] drudge: orospakr: node-orm?
[17:34] orospakr: hoping for something activerecordy.
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[17:35] context: id knock that out of the running just for failure to properly setup package.json. or be up to date
[17:35] orospakr: drudge, is current lore suggesting that one as a good option? part of the problem is that there are TONS of libraries out there, and clear winners haven't really shaken out yet, afaik.
[17:35] orospakr: context, yeah, that's pretty much my feeling on that one now.
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[17:35] drudge: orospakr: i think its one of the better ones
[17:36] drudge: orospakr: depends on what database you are targeting
[17:36] orospakr: not even sure if I want to use a rdbms or a nosql, but I'm leaning towards rdbms.
[17:36] orospakr: if I use an rdbms, I very much prefer postgres.
[17:37] lukstr: node-orm does postrgres
[17:37] orospakr: Draggor, lukstr, it's readme looks a little... spartan. probably why I passed over it already.
[17:37] lukstr: really?
[17:37] lukstr: https://github.com/dresende/node-orm
[17:37] lukstr: there are a couple projects named that last I checked :P
[17:37] orospakr: that's the one.
[17:38] orospakr: well, the README isn't *too* bad.
[17:38] orospakr: it covers most of the basics, looks like.
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[17:38] lukstr: orospakr: the source is also small enough that you can dig around too.
[17:38] lukstr: also has a wiki with a few pages
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[17:39] Tobsn: you guys know paperjamz? just found out their office is one door next to ours...
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[17:40] Tobsn: got a free paperjamz guitar :D
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[17:46] TheJH: hmm, what's the best way to do cpu profiling in node?
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[17:49] lukstr: write a module :P
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[17:52] context: thejh: you find your code thats slow, and play around with it so it runs faster
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[17:52] jerrysv: ow my head
[17:52] jerrysv: profiling at random
[17:53] brianc: TheJH: node-inspector might help you out
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[17:53] TheJH: brianc: I tried it, but it only provided a heap snapshot function, there was no button for profiling
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[17:54] ebryn: any recommendations for a simple http client lib? i found node-httpclient
[17:54] RevoOf: TheJH: you can always read from a subprocess, such as "uptime" on many linux systems
[17:54] brianc: i don't think it's got a button for profiling but if you add the profiling code bits to your code it will capture those profiling sessions and allow you to visually explore them somewhat
[17:55] jerrysv: ebryn: request
[17:55] jerrysv: ebryn: https://github.com/mikeal/request
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[17:55] ebryn: beautiful
[17:55] TheJH: RevoOf, but I want to see in which methods it spends all the time
[17:56] jerrysv: or, write your own :)
[17:56] TheJH: brianc, what code would that be?
[17:56] RevoOf: TheJH: sry, your right. thats not good for detailed profiling
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[17:56] TheJH: brianc, ah, found it out, thanks
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[17:56] brianc: TheJH: glad to help. :)
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[17:57] bloodsucker: Buenas a todos!
[17:57] stride: hola
[17:58] ebryn: jerrysv: thanks :) any XML lib suggestions? i want to do some simple XML -> JSON conversions.
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[17:58] jerrysv: ebryn: sorry, can't help you there, i avoid xml like the plague
[17:59] ebryn: heh, i do too typically :P
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[18:05] brianc: Anyone recommend something akin to heroku but for node?
[18:06] chbrown: brianc: http://www.joyentcloud.com/ is precisely that, no?
[18:06] blkcat: no.de?
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[18:08] mahna: Somebody's gonna build one for $2k: https://www.odesk.com/jobs/node-complete-service-infrastrucutre_~~6bab9819b9b34930
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[18:09] alindeman: mahna: Hilarious
[18:09] vdemedes: brianc: nodejitsu, nodester, no.de, clouddot, duostack
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[18:11] mahna: alindeman: One of the all-time greats. ;)
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[18:22] jerrysv: ebryn: http://www.thomasfrank.se/xml_to_json.html ?
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[18:23] ebryn: jerrysv: i found xml2js on npm
[18:23] ebryn: thanks
[18:23] context: is there an easy way to get data from the package.json in your app itself ?
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[18:28] Bradleymeck: context, can you be clearer? either way you would need to see if the file exists and just parse it yourself
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[18:29] zmbmartin: what is the best (most secure) for password encryption? is crypto fine or bcrypt?
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[18:30] Dinosaurus: hmac with sha1 and a per user salt
[18:31] Bradleymeck: anyone seen isaacs about lately?
[18:32] context: zmbmartin: most people use some sort of hash with a per-app and per-user salt
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[18:32] jmoyers: context: var j = JSON.parse(fs.readFileSync(path.join(__dirname, "package.json"))+"") is a line from npm.js
[18:32] context: well, the app itself has a salt
[18:32] Dinosaurus: yeah and a site key ofc
[18:32] jmoyers: think you can also use npm.load
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[18:32] Dinosaurus: hmac sha1 per user salt at least 8 characters and a site key
[18:32] context: jmoyers: thnx, thats what i was kind of trying to find
[18:33] zmbmartin: Dinosaurus and context thanks
[18:33] Dinosaurus: and if you want to be awesome allow for keys to be updated on some interval
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[18:41] robhudson: can you connect to socket.io on a different port than the web page was delivered on? Or is there some JS cross-domain security involved?
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[18:44] TheJH: robhudson, needs to be the same port, same origin policy
[18:44] fakewaffle: is there a way to get the full url?
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[18:45] robhudson: TheJH: That's the name of it :) thanks for the clarification. On to figure out reverse proxying and HTTP 1.1
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[18:46] hipe: wow have ppl successfully used "npm link [foo] before?
[18:47] hipe: i step into a git check'd out module, i do "npm link", it builds dependencies, then when I step out of the folder and do "npm link [the-package-name]" it **erases or moves the package directory**
[18:47] TheJH: hipe: yes
[18:47] TheJH: hipe: oh, no, not with a parameter
[18:48] hipe: TheJH: i'm wondering if the steps have changed from what they were here: (and to be fair i don't really get how it's supposed to work) http://foohack.com/2010/08/intro-to-npm/
[18:48] hipe: becasue there the author makes it pretty clear that it's supposed to be a two step process
[18:48] hipe: and per "man npm-link"
[18:48] hipe: so i'm definately doing it wrong somehow
[18:49] mahna: Didn't somebody else ask about that recently?
[18:49] hipe: hm
[18:50] TheJH: hipe, how about going into the folder and doing "npm link" without args?
[18:50] mahna: (maybe, not sure)
[18:50] hipe: TheJH: well that works for me (that is, it builds deps) and for all i know it's doing the "second step" but i dunno
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[18:51] hipe: what i'm tyring to do is run the tests for an ancillary, little npm module without re-building its entire dependency tree inside of it
[18:51] hipe: s/ancillary/auxiliiary/
[18:51] hipe: learning is fun
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[18:55] orospakr: lukstr, so, not so sure about node-orm's postgres code: it's using a hardcoded path to find and load a node postgres library.
[18:56] orospakr: hide, s/definately/definitely/ :P
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[18:57] darshanshankar: mahna: i just saw your odesk link and im still chuckling
[18:58] darshanshankar: wonder what marak or hij1nx_ thinks of that XD
[18:59] mahna: darshanshankar: Buy for $2k, sell for $212 million
[18:59] darshanshankar: hah
[19:00] fakewaffle: is there an ejs bundle for textmate?
[19:00] jerrysv: probably them that posted it
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[19:01] jerrysv: is there a more modern jslint bundle for textmate?
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[19:01] duncanbeevers: jerrysv: I just redid my jslint setup last night with syntatics + jshint
[19:02] jerrysv: duncanbeevers: details, please!
[19:02] duncanbeevers: It feels pretty nice and I appreciate being able to dial in the warning levels.
[19:02] jerrysv: duncanbeevers: js admirers tonight?
[19:02] duncanbeevers: jerrysv: That's the plan.
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[19:03] duncanbeevers: I just followed along with http://stackoverflow.com/questions/473478/vim-jslint/5893447#5893447
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[19:03] ChrisBuchholz: Hey guys. I just cleaned up npm and all the (locally) installed modules. Then i installed version 1.0.6 and then some modules with the -g flag. But it seems like npm doesnt know where they are. If i do "npm ls", it just says "/Users/cb (empty)", and if i try to require some module in node environment, it cant find it. Do i have to do something special something to let npm know where it installs stuff to?
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[19:04] duncanbeevers: Any my ~/.jshintrc ended up like this: https://gist.github.com/0633997ff63faec3d13d
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[19:04] jerrysv: duncanbeevers: awesome, thanks
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[19:05] TheJH: ChrisBuchholz, is "cb" your complete username?
[19:05] duncanbeevers: Oh, and in the SO post, they don't mention the specific changes to make to your vim statusline. Those changes are related to syntastic.
[19:05] ChrisBuchholz: TheJH: yes indeed
[19:05] TheJH: ChrisBuchholz, then I guessed wrong
[19:06] ChrisBuchholz: TheJH: if i do e.g. `npm install express` without the -g flag, it installs to ./node_modules, and then npm can find it
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[19:08] jerrysv: will follow along when i get a chance to take a lunch
[19:08] ChrisBuchholz: TheJH: npm installs express to /usr/local/lib/node_modules. I do have "/usr/local/lib/node" in my NODE_PATH. Should that be changed to "/usr/local/lib/node_modules" instead? Perhabs some 1.0 change?
[19:08] `3rdEden: Any IE6 users here?
[19:09] context: chrisbuchholz: yes its 1.0/
[19:09] `3rdEden: My vm just broke down and I need a small test subject
[19:09] context: http://blog.nodejs.org/2011/05/01/npm-1-0-released/
[19:09] context: http://pastie.org/1932925
[19:09] Tobsn: 3rdedem, i have 2 different IE6 installed
[19:09] Tobsn: parallels
[19:09] Tobsn: if you need anything let me know
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[19:10] Tobsn: also tell me how i can check with jquery.ready() if io socket is connected :P
[19:10] ChrisBuchholz: context: right, thank you
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[19:11] context: grr
[19:11] context: konobi: ;) => /topic node.js | yes npm is different: http://bit.ly/msKk6D http://pastie.org/1932925
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[19:12] Charuru: hi guys
[19:12] Tobsn: `3rdEden: ?
[19:12] Charuru: which npm package is that thingie where css is fed directly to you through socket.io?
[19:12] Charuru: without refreshing the browser
[19:12] `3rdEden: Tobsn: nvm ;$
[19:13] Tobsn: ;)
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[19:13] `3rdEden: My machine started working again
[19:13] Tobsn: k
[19:13] `3rdEden: For some odd reason, the internet died
[19:13] Tobsn: i use parallels btw.
[19:13] `3rdEden: Same
[19:13] Tobsn: k
[19:13] `3rdEden: No clue why it died ;9
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[19:13] Tobsn: have here XP, Vista, 7 each in 32 and 64bit and home and prof edition
[19:13] duncanbeevers: Charuru: http://aboutcode.net/vogue/
[19:13] Tobsn: on an external mirrored SSD raid :D
[19:14] Charuru: thanks duncanbeevers
[19:14] Tobsn: if i select all parallels icons and hit enter it takes around 8 seconds to boot all 8 at once
[19:14] Tobsn: hehe
[19:14] Tobsn: my mac mini is faster than one windows machine :P
[19:14] duncanbeevers: That's like being faster than Zombies. You're still hopelessly outnumbered.
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[19:16] `3rdEden: Grrr, code Y U NO WORK
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[19:17] pandeiro: is there any form validation stuff baked in to express?
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[19:19] ChrisBuchholz: context: okay, just to be clear: I should add /usr/local/lib/node_modules to NODE_PATH, right? It worked before, (i think), but now it doesnt anymore
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[19:24] JoseCabo: Hola?�
[19:24] JoseCabo: holaaaaaar?
[19:25] EyePulp: holla?
[19:25] JoseCabo: que ha pasado?
[19:25] JoseCabo: se me ha caido mi internet?
[19:25] JoseCabo: o que demonios?
[19:25] JoseCabo: Donde est�n los que estaban hablando? XD
[19:25] JoseCabo: os va la webcam? :S
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[19:25] EyePulp: your internet is filled with demons, who watch you through your webcam.
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[19:26] JoseCabo: aj�
[19:26] JoseCabo: ya me va
[19:26] JoseCabo: ...viva el cabanyal
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[19:26] JoseCabo: Ya se ha terminado?
[19:27] JoseCabo: Necesitamos m�s pruebas de la asamblea?
[19:27] JoseCabo: xD
[19:27] JoseCabo: de su decadencia?
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[19:28] zmbmartin: tjholowaychuk: how does the session cookie work in the auth example on the express github. It seems that after login if I close the browser then reopen the session is gone even when I did not clear the cookies?
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[19:28] tjholowaychuk: zmbmartin i can't recall right now, could be a session cookie
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[19:29] tjholowaychuk: i'll check it out in a minute
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[19:32] JoseCabo: Lo sab�a.
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[19:32] JoseCabo: xD
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[19:34] slaskis: zmbmartin: are you using cluster maybe to start it? if it's multiple workers it might be the memory store? had a similar issue..
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[19:36] zmbmartin: slaskis: No I am not using cluster.
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[19:37] zmbmartin: can I save the session as the cookie?
[19:38] zmbmartin: I come from rails and use devise that does that for me so I am new to doing this myself.
[19:38] tjholowaychuk: this is the auth example?
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[19:38] zmbmartin: tjholowaychuk: yes
[19:38] tjholowaychuk: haha :p
[19:38] tjholowaychuk: see thats why people shouldnt let frameworks do evvverything for them haha
[19:38] tjholowaychuk: one sec
[19:39] tjholowaychuk: hmm they work for me after i close the browser
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[19:40] tjholowaychuk: (Safari)
[19:40] zmbmartin: tjholowaychuk: hmmm I am on chrome and looking through the cookies I don't see anything.
[19:41] zmbmartin: tjholowaychuk: I totally agree on the framework thing. I am learning a lot trying to do little things myself.
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[19:44] zmbmartin: tjholowaychuk: in production it works. Is there a instant expire in development more or something?
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[19:44] tjholowaychuk: nope
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[19:45] nibblebot: in mongoose, how can I add static model methods? e.g. User.login() for a User model
[19:45] zmbmartin: hmm oh well it works were I need it. thanks
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[19:46] pandeiro: zmbmartin: i also could not get session storage to work with express/connect/chrome/localhost...
[19:47] tjholowaychuk: chrome must be doing something because it works fine in other browsers for me
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[19:47] pandeiro: i will test it in firefox tonight... may be a chrome issue indeed
[19:48] slaskis: strange, i usually have the opposite problem, of cookies not going away in chrome
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[19:49] pandeiro: slaskis: i had that, too... but what i am talking about is that req.session is undefined for me, despite setting up the connect session middleware as tj describes in the express guide
[19:50] tjholowaychuk: pandeiro can i see the config?
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[19:51] pandeiro: sure just a sec
[19:51] drudge: i'll show you a config if you know what i mean
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[19:51] tjholowaychuk: haha
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[19:51] drudge: i bet his middleware is in the wrong order!
[19:51] slaskis: i'll show you mine if you show me yours
[19:52] zmbmartin: tjholowaychuk: I must have had something set wrong from my trial and errors, I cleaned up my working code and cookie is set fine in chrome and firefox.
[19:52] tjholowaychuk: oh weird
[19:52] zmbmartin: tjholowaychuk: so user error
[19:52] zmbmartin: tends to be the problem
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[19:53] tjholowaychuk: s'all good man
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[19:53] zmbmartin: tjholowaychuk: thanks for all the work on express and the help. I am still a js noob but I am enjoying the learning.
[19:54] tjholowaychuk: no problem
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[19:55] pandeiro: tjholowaychuk: my session config w/ express: http://goo.gl/13eAx
[19:55] tjholowaychuk: ordering is wrong
[19:55] tjholowaychuk: app.router is your routes
[19:55] tjholowaychuk: all of them
[19:56] tjholowaychuk: so cookieParser / session need to be above that
[19:56] tjholowaychuk: can be above or below the other two top ones that doesnt matter
[19:56] tjholowaychuk: but by the time you get to the routes
[19:56] tjholowaychuk: they dont have req.session yet
[19:56] tjholowaychuk: because of the ordering
[19:56] pandeiro: ahh i see
[19:56] pandeiro: makes sense, thks
[19:56] `3rdEden: Tobsn https://github.com/3rd-Eden/YUNO-UPDATE thats why I needed IE6 ;D
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[19:58] pandeiro: tjholowaychuk: can u explain what would be the advantage of using your redis session module over the stock connect one? is there any for a low traffic site? thks
[19:58] tjholowaychuk: scaling
[19:58] tjholowaychuk: the default memory store will only work in one process
[19:58] tjholowaychuk: and if that process is killed
[19:58] tjholowaychuk: all your sessions are gone
[20:00] pandeiro: the default memory store is using the same process as node or a second?
[20:00] tjholowaychuk: same
[20:00] pandeiro: gotcha
[20:00] tjholowaychuk: it's basically {}
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[20:01] pandeiro: there's really no downside to using redis on a small scale site either... or??
[20:01] tjholowaychuk: nah
[20:05] c4milo: hey does anybody know if there is a module that fully implements oauth2
[20:05] c4milo: ?
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[20:06] SubStack: V8 STACKTRACE API Y U NO Error.captureStackTrace() LIKE HOW YOU SAY IN DOCS
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[20:17] AvianFlu: hey WallyDater, GTFO!
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[20:18] AvianFlu: stupid regex, hey WallyDater GTFO!
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[20:18] andi5: Does anybody experience problems with nodemon, too?
[20:19] andi5: nodemon does not use node's file watcher bit the file command, probably this is the issue.
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[20:20] andi5: If someone knows an alternative to nodemon that works well, please let me know. Thanks
[20:22] EyePulp: andi5: cluster might be your solution
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[20:27] andi5: EyePulp: Thanks, didn't see the reload plugin earlier
[20:27] EyePulp: np
[20:27] EyePulp: thank tjholowaychuk for building it
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[20:29] andi5: I think this is useful for everyone: http://www.screenr.com/X8v
[20:30] jerrysv: c4milo: https://github.com/jchris/node-oauth
[20:30] c4milo: jerrysv: for server support?
[20:30] Cheery: is there working webshop implementations over node.js?
[20:31] mscdex: what is webshop?
[20:31] Cheery: inventory + interface through which people can buy things from you
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[20:31] c4milo: jerrysv: that project seems to be just to act as consumer
[20:32] mscdex: Cheery: i don't think there is
[20:32] jerrysv: c4milo: sorry, didn't see the server support requirement
[20:32] mscdex: Cheery: is that a name of a protocol or do you mean ecommerce stuff in general?
[20:33] Cheery: just ecommerce things.
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[20:33] mscdex: ahh
[20:33] mscdex: :)
[20:33] Cheery: I think I could do it myself too, but I want to know how much work is done for me already there.
[20:34] Cheery: there's choice of using python or this.
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[20:35] orospakr: cloudhead, hey, it looks like your cradle library somehow manages to create couchdb design docs from javascript code inline in your node code. how is that done? it looks like magic!
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[20:35] Cheery: mscdex: some load testing tools would be nice too, but I guess there may not be nodejs related load testing tools.
[20:35] mscdex: apache bench? ;)
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[20:40] Cheery: are habaneros able to burn for days? my hand is still having burn sensations. :/
[20:41] dhasenan_: Cheery: you might have to requisition a replacement.
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[20:42] `3rdEden: apache bench isn't the solution for all load testing
[20:42] `3rdEden: Especially for HTTP 1.1, it kinda sucked.
[20:43] jerrysv: siege
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[20:45] baudehlo: I'd like to see a load testing tool written in node.
[20:45] jerrysv: if i had a dollar for every time i've heard lately "i'd like to see a blah written in node", i'd have enough money to buy some bitcoins
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[20:46] baudehlo: heh
[20:46] baudehlo: well I have a reason...
[20:46] Cheery: this thing is majorly advertised with server twist, but does it support filesystem access or C-bindings?
[20:46] baudehlo: is that most load testing tools use threads themselves, so don't scale up to tens of thousands of connections well.
[20:46] Cheery: (foreign function interfaces)
[20:46] Cheery: opengl?
[20:46] freakazoid: anyone know if anyone's worked on a browser extension to get the privileged/cpu-bound parts of node.js's functionality in the browser?
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[20:47] jhurliman: hi freakazoid
[20:47] freakazoid: hey there jhurliman
[20:47] freakazoid: you must be following me
[20:47] mjr_: baudehlo: a node-based load tester that exercised huge numbers of concurrent connections would be cool
[20:47] jhurliman: freakazoid, other way around i'm afraid! :p
[20:47] mjr_: using multiple processes with cluster or something
[20:47] freakazoid: haha
[20:47] devaholic: freakazoid: ive talked about it a lot but i dont know of any work done
[20:47] freakazoid: well we clearly have similar interests
[20:48] mjr_: Except you'll quickly run into the fact that node's http client/agent is still pretty slow in a lot of cases.
[20:48] pandeiro: mjr_: compared to what, just out of curiosity?
[20:48] freakazoid: I'm just trying to avoid having a user have to install anything else except the browser extension - mostly I'm interested in the browser as a container without requiring some internet-based resource to do the privileged stuff
[20:48] jhurliman: freakazoid, i haven't heard of such an extension. what specific parts are you looking for?
[20:48] devaholic: freakazoid: did you see JSlinux?
[20:48] baudehlo: mjr_: yeah quite possibly. I was hoping to find one using libev or libevent, but couldn't find one.
[20:49] baudehlo: actually I think I did find one. But couldn't get it to work.
[20:49] freakazoid: devaholic: I've seen it but it's still stuck inside JS's security model
[20:49] freakazoid: jhurliman: mostly I'm interested in the ability to use UDP to arbitrary locations so I can do in-browser p2p
[20:49] mjr_: pandeiro: well, a single node process as a client can't seem to load up a single node process as a server. I find it takes 2-3 client processes for every server.
[20:49] jhurliman: ahh got it
[20:49] zmbmartin: I am trying to do express-messages in jade I did = messages() in the view but it is escaping the html. So it is showing ....
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[20:50] tjholowaychuk: !=
[20:50] zmbmartin: oh yeah
[20:50] zmbmartin: thanks
[20:50] freakazoid: crypto stuff would be nice too
[20:50] mjr_: I think some stuff in node's client/agent just isn't quite right, and it does more work than it needs.
[20:50] freakazoid: though I might be able to get away with pure JS for that
[20:50] devaholic: freakazoid: yea i had come up with very similar ideas
[20:50] devaholic: not sure on the implementation
[20:51] freakazoid: I've heard of people using flash for something along these lines
[20:51] freakazoid: but it seems to be restricted to their protocol and potentially just streaming media
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[20:52] zmbmartin: tjholowaychuk: if I fail login how do I access new Error in req.flash?
[20:52] devaholic: with a p2p you still need a tracker though
[20:52] freakazoid: devaholic: well, I was planning to use telehash to bootstrap
[20:52] tjholowaychuk: zmbmartinyou use req.flash('error', msg) to queue the msg
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[20:52] freakazoid: you'd still need a set of bootstrap IPs for first-time users
[20:53] freakazoid: another option for bootsrapping would be XMPP, but I don't think XMPP has enough penetration to assume the user already has an account, and if you have to run your own XMPP server then you might as well just use a web server for bootstrap
[20:53] freakazoid: I'm not quite as concerned about bootstrap though because that's the easy part
[20:55] freakazoid: devaholic: hmm this looks interesting: http://chromestory.com/2011/03/p2p-pepper-api-and-p2p-javascript-api-shows-up-in-chromium/
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[20:58] Cheery: 7399https://github.com/tmpvar/node-ogl/blob/master/example/nehe/lesson3.js <- who did this crap?
[20:58] Cheery: :(
[20:58] Cheery: whoops. my proc number left in
[20:59] Cheery: well I'll see what's in there anyway.
[21:00] devaholic: freakazoid: any more info on that?
[21:00] Cheery: hm. the code itself is.. okayish.
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[21:01] freakazoid: devaholic: wow you're so locked down on FB that I can't even add you
[21:01] freakazoid: devaholic: I found some other references to it but mostly it's just stuff saying it's not working yet
[21:01] devaholic: hmm?
[21:01] freakazoid: nothing about what the API will actually do
[21:01] Cheery: except that you could've extracted opengl4 bindings directly :/
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[21:01] Cheery: let me show you one thing.
[21:01] devaholic: FB?
[21:02] freakazoid: facebook
[21:02] devaholic: how do you know my facebook?
[21:02] freakazoid: there aren't that many tblobaums out there
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[21:02] devaholic: oh
[21:02] devaholic: true
[21:02] freakazoid: and only one of them is on github
[21:03] devaholic: i didnt even realize i had that setting
[21:03] Cheery: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/395153 <- I have extracted this automatically from opengl docs.
[21:03] freakazoid: and your email is there, and it's easy to search by email on facebook
[21:03] devaholic: FB is of shit
[21:03] Cheery: python code I used that with was autogenerated from that script :P
[21:03] mscdex: Cheery: of course you can do filesystem stuff and C-bindings
[21:03] captain_morgan: Trying again... Anyone know how to statically link a module(.a) when building a Node module? nm -gmu shows my lib as 'external __ZTI5***** (dynamically looked up)'
[21:04] freakazoid: tell me what to fix and I'll fix it or open a task to fix it ;-)
[21:04] devaholic: should work now
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[21:04] mscdex: there's also a node-ffi module
[21:04] piscisaureus: isaacs: ping
[21:04] mscdex: if you're wanting generic binding stuff
[21:04] Cheery: mscdex: is it good?
[21:04] Cheery: and along the node when I install it?
[21:04] devaholic: freakazoid: your job?
[21:04] mscdex: Cheery: don't know, i always write bindings
[21:04] freakazoid: yep, as of 5 weeks ago
[21:04] freakazoid: i'll be working on cache performance stuff, not frontend
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[21:05] freakazoid: I hate php
[21:05] mscdex: Cheery: https://github.com/rbranson/node-ffi
[21:05] freakazoid: though facebook has made the newer stuff a lot more pythonic
[21:05] Cheery: you all just github download git packs and install them manually?
[21:05] devaholic: freakazoid: congrats
[21:05] freakazoid: thanks
[21:05] context: HI ffi :D
[21:05] mscdex: Cheery: there's also npm
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[21:05] devaholic: there is nothing in my github atm
[21:05] freakazoid: I'm hoping to absorb their "move fast" mentality
[21:06] context: i use npm for everything
[21:06] mscdex: Cheery: a lot of stuff is available on npm
[21:06] mscdex: Cheery: npmjs.org
[21:06] freakazoid: just had my second change go into production
[21:06] devaholic: how many loc
[21:06] freakazoid: only like 50
[21:06] devaholic: sexy
[21:06] freakazoid: still in bootcamp
[21:07] freakazoid: my next one is more like 500
[21:07] devaholic: well you should be able to add me now, i think
[21:07] freakazoid: I have
[21:07] hipe: egads can you invoke the debugger with running tests with expresso? (v. 0.7.7)
[21:09] devaholic: cool
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[21:12] freakazoid: devaholic: the p2p API in Chrome appears to be part of libjingle
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[21:13] freakazoid: devaholic: http://code.google.com/p/libjingle/source/browse/branches/chrome-sandbox/?r=53#chrome-sandbox%2Ftalk%2Fp2p
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[21:13] spasquali: anyone had problems installing node-msgpack ?
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[21:13] zmbmartin: tjholowaychuk: call me dumb but I am not sure how to use the flash. I have an auth method that returns fn(new Error("error")) how do I get that in the req.flash?
[21:13] tjholowaychuk: zmbmartin if you have error handlers you can just do req.flash('error', err.message) in there
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[21:15] zmbmartin: tjholowaychuk: great call me stupid. That was easy.
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[21:15] techwraith: So a co-worker of mine was wondering if it's possible to get "~/path" working in fs functions, any ideas?
[21:15] halfhalo: regex ~?
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[21:16] Bradleymeck: techwraith, yes, but honestly its prolly easier to just call out to an `echo`
[21:16] tjholowaychuk: techwraith the fs functions dont do shell expansion stuff so no fs.unlink('/foo/{bar,baz}') etc
[21:16] TooTallNate: techwraith: why not just use process.env.HOME?
[21:16] AvianFlu: yeah srsly
[21:16] Bradleymeck: not always set I thought?
[21:16] TooTallNate: true, it's not completely reliable
[21:17] AvianFlu: word
[21:17] AvianFlu: that's good to know lol
[21:17] TooTallNate: there's a C function that can give you the home dir of the users on the system
[21:17] TooTallNate: but it's not exposed as a node binding
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[21:18] Cheery: damn that node-ffi is hard to install. >:(
[21:18] Cheery: you suck equally much in package management as what python does.'
[21:18] TooTallNate: techwraith: there is https://github.com/isaacs/node-glob if you must have glob functionality though
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[21:19] Bradleymeck: just call out to shell when you need it, cache result, win
[21:20] tjholowaychuk: and escape the args
[21:20] tjholowaychuk: haha
[21:20] techwraith: He's going to just regex for "~/" and replace it with process.end.HOME
[21:20] mscdex: Cheery: patches and pull requests are welcome
[21:21] Bradleymeck: a good utility to escape cli args when shelling out would be nice
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[21:21] tjholowaychuk: Bradleymeck '"' + String(arg).replace(/"/g, '\\"') + '"';
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[21:25] Bradleymeck: tj, too easy... lol, cant think of any exceptions though
[21:25] techwraith: Has anyone thought of adding tab completion to the node REPL?
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[21:28] Cheery: techwraith: it has tab completion?
[21:29] techwraith: omg
[21:29] techwraith: lol
[21:29] mscdex: techwraith: yeah it has tab completion already
[21:29] techwraith: ACTION is an idiot for not checking first
[21:29] mscdex: ;)
[21:29] AvianFlu: hey WallyDater GTFO!
[21:29] fakewaffle: what is the best way to check if a module exists?
[21:29] mscdex: node-irc heh
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[21:30] AvianFlu: he's counting the number of chat messages per minute, mscdex - we're gonna use the data he gathers to set up kohai's dynamic twitter rate-limiting
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[21:30] mscdex: ah
[21:31] fakewaffle: AvianFlu++
[21:31] v8bot: fakewaffle has given a beer to AvianFlu. AvianFlu now has 0 beers.
[21:31] AvianFlu: the idea being that if mad people are talking, kohai will stfu
[21:32] techwraith: v8bot: How can you give a beer to someone without increasing the number of beers they have?!
[21:32] v8bot: techwraith: Use v8: to evaluate code or "`v commands" for a list of v8bot commands.
[21:32] AvianFlu: and if nobody has said anything in a minute or so, he'll move toward whatever the channel's max volume is
[21:32] AvianFlu: techwraith: I had -1 before
[21:32] mscdex: fakewaffle: there's require.resolve(), just wrap it in a try/catch
[21:32] techwraith: How do you have negative beers?
[21:32] fakewaffle: techwraith: from me
[21:32] AvianFlu: somebody did a -- on me yesterday
[21:32] AvianFlu: yeah, there you go
[21:32] techwraith: Ah
[21:33] mscdex: WallyDater--
[21:33] v8bot: mscdex has taken a beer from WallyDater. WallyDater now has -1 beers.
[21:33] fakewaffle: lol
[21:33] fakewaffle: AvianFlu++
[21:33] v8bot: fakewaffle has given a beer to AvianFlu. AvianFlu now has 1 beers.
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[21:33] mscdex: kohai++
[21:33] v8bot: mscdex has given a beer to kohai. kohai now has 3 beers.
[21:33] mscdex: `beers
[21:33] techwraith: I still think v8bot needs to let us drink the beers
[21:33] mscdex: `beer
[21:33] mscdex: hrmm
[21:33] mscdex: `v beers
[21:33] v8bot: mscdex: has 0 beers.
[21:33] jerrysv: `v beers
[21:33] v8bot: jerrysv: has 0 beers.
[21:33] mscdex: hah! impossible
[21:33] jerrysv: bummer
[21:34] mscdex: i had > 0 last i checked :O
[21:34] techwraith: `v beers
[21:34] v8bot: techwraith: has 0 beers.
[21:34] techwraith: mscdex: I think they expire
[21:34] jerrysv: mscdex: someone raided your stash?
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[21:34] mscdex: they shouldn't expire, they should just become vintage
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[21:35] jerrysv: mscdex: sometimes even a good beer goes bad ...
[21:35] mscdex: :(
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[21:36] AvianFlu: `v beers
[21:36] v8bot: AvianFlu: has 0 beers.
[21:36] mscdex: WallyDater++
[21:36] v8bot: mscdex has given a beer to WallyDater. WallyDater now has 0 beers.
[21:36] pita: v8bot: i++;
[21:36] v8bot: pita: Use v8: to evaluate code or "`v commands" for a list of v8bot commands.
[21:36] AvianFlu: how did HE have -1!?
[21:36] mscdex: :)
[21:37] AvianFlu: lulz
[21:37] jerrysv: v8bot++
[21:37] v8bot: jerrysv has given a beer to v8bot. v8bot now has 26 beers.
[21:37] AvianFlu: WallyDater++
[21:37] v8bot: AvianFlu has given a beer to WallyDater. WallyDater now has 1 beers.
[21:37] mscdex: hah! apparently v8bot's beers never expire
[21:38] pita: pita++
[21:38] v8bot: pita: Don't cheat! You can't give a beer to yourself.
[21:38] mscdex: unfair!
[21:38] pita: damm
[21:38] mscdex: pita++
[21:38] v8bot: mscdex has given a beer to pita. pita now has 2 beers.
[21:38] AvianFlu: you never know, he may just get a lot of beers
[21:38] clee: ++v8bot
[21:38] pita: mscdex++
[21:38] v8bot: pita has given a beer to mscdex. mscdex now has 16 beers.
[21:38] clee: awww.
[21:38] mscdex: see!
[21:38] clee: no preincrement?
[21:38] mscdex: what the hell
[21:38] pita: can you remove beers too?
[21:38] mscdex: `v beers
[21:38] v8bot: mscdex: has 0 beers.
[21:38] mscdex: FAIL
[21:38] jerrysv: mscdex--
[21:38] v8bot: mscdex is getting too many beers. Don't let mscdex get drunk!
[21:38] mscdex: oh wait
[21:39] mscdex: `v beers mscdex
[21:39] v8bot: mscdex: mscdex has 16 beers.
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[21:39] jerrysv: aha
[21:39] mscdex: ACTION shakes a fist at v8bot
[21:39] pita: v8bot--
[21:39] v8bot: pita has taken a beer from v8bot. v8bot now has 25 beers.
[21:39] pita: lol
[21:39] jerrysv: `b beers jerrysv
[21:39] jerrysv: er
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[21:39] jerrysv: `v beers jerrysv
[21:39] v8bot: jerrysv: jerrysv has 0 beers.
[21:39] jerrysv: awww
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[21:39] mscdex: `v beers lolcat
[21:39] v8bot: mscdex: lolcat has 0 beers.
[21:39] AvianFlu: jerrysv++
[21:39] v8bot: AvianFlu has given a beer to jerrysv. jerrysv now has 1 beers.
[21:39] pita: johnmclear++
[21:39] v8bot: pita has given a beer to johnmclear. johnmclear now has 1 beers.
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[21:40] jerrysv: heh
[21:40] mscdex: guess he doesn't drink
[21:40] pita: lolcat--
[21:40] v8bot: pita has taken a beer from lolcat. lolcat now has -1 beers.
[21:40] mscdex: ;)
[21:40] pita: lolcat-5
[21:40] pita: lolcat--;lolcat++
[21:40] pita: gah
[21:40] mscdex: hax!
[21:40] Tobsn: http://lolc.at
[21:41] softdrink: heh. my wife translated part of the lolcat bible.
[21:41] Tobsn: hehe
[21:41] Tobsn: i fixed some of it when i put it up there
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[21:41] Tobsn: is like 3 years old or so
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[21:41] Tobsn: lolcat bible wasnt much bigger than that at the time
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[21:44] Tobsn: http://lolco.de/
[21:45] CoverSlide: what an utter waste of the internet
[21:46] AvianFlu: ahahahahahahahahaha
[21:46] AvianFlu: regardless of what you were talking about, quote of the hour
[21:47] CoverSlide: only the hour?
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[21:49] Cheery: can you propose a database module on node.js?
[21:49] CoverSlide: database module?
[21:49] context: cheery: well that depends entirely on what database yo uare using
[21:49] CoverSlide: to go into core?
[21:49] Cheery: I've been using postgresql
[21:50] context: then get a library to talks to postgresql ?
[21:50] CoverSlide: npm -g install pg
[21:50] CoverSlide: bleh i use -g too much
[21:50] Cheery: but I might equally like no database at all, as long as I can make a working capable-enough server on it.
[21:50] context: then dont use a database? and you dont need a library ?
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[21:51] Cheery: well I still need persistent datastore.
[21:51] CoverSlide: try chaos. it's funky but you don't need to rely on an external database
[21:51] CoverSlide: or tiny or dirty ... one of those might not be persistent
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[21:52] jerrysv: redis? couchdb?
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[21:53] CoverSlide: mongodb, tokyocabinet, riak, cassandra, berkleydb
[21:53] CoverSlide: sqlite
[21:53] jerrysv: write out to text files?
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[21:53] Cheery: just don't propose anything but something that you've used, tested that it works well and have written a web server using it.
[21:53] AvianFlu: jerrysv++
[21:53] v8bot: AvianFlu has given a beer to jerrysv. jerrysv now has 2 beers.
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[21:54] CoverSlide: instead of redis, use nedis
[21:55] pixel13: hello all, trying to find this in the wiki, but perhaps my thinking is flawed — can node.js listen on a port other than "localhost" ?
[21:55] CoverSlide: yes
[21:55] CoverSlide: just don't put the "localhost" part
[21:55] pixel13: I have npm 1.0 / node v0.4.8 + npm-static
[21:55] fakewaffle: AvianFlu++
[21:55] v8bot: fakewaffle has given a beer to AvianFlu. AvianFlu now has 2 beers.
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[21:55] CoverSlide: just the port number and it will listen on all domains
[21:55] EyePulp: pixel13: it can listen on whatever ip & port you want
[21:56] jerrysv: cheery: redis
[21:56] jerrysv: cheery: couchdb
[21:56] CoverSlide: cheery: NEDIS!!
[21:56] pixel13: EyePulp: what about node-static? …I am not seeing where it's bound to localhost, just the http server listen() …it's like it's defaulting to 'localhost'
[21:57] EyePulp: pixel13: I'm not famaliar with node-static - but if it's bound to your server instance, and your server is bound to something other than localhost, then node-static probably is unaware of or doesn't need to handle host/port issues
[21:58] pixel13: CoverSlide: thank you…I am currently setting just the port, but still unable to process externally. Via localhost (curl) it works a treat …have disabled firewall, etc, but with no luck
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[21:59] pixel13: let's take a step back… using a simple web server e.g. require('http') with subsequent listen(8000), you're saying this should work externally by nature?
[21:59] CoverSlide: id you just use http.createServer( ... ).listen( ... ) does it run?
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[21:59] CoverSlide: yes
[21:59] pixel13: it runs great, yes…I can hit localhost:8000 just fine
[21:59] CoverSlide: unless there's a firewall issue
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[22:00] pixel13: CoverSlide: firewall disabled...
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[22:00] pixel13: I am running as root in ~ …perhaps that is why?
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[22:01] CoverSlide: wait ... are you getting no response from your server or getting a 404 or some other error
[22:01] CoverSlide: curl should say if there's no response at all
[22:02] pixel13: ok, for example:
[22:02] pixel13: curl -i http://localhost:8000/
[22:02] pixel13: HTTP/1.1 200 OK
[22:02] pixel13: content-type: text/plain
[22:02] pixel13: Connection: keep-alive
[22:02] pixel13: Transfer-Encoding: chunked
[22:02] pixel13: hello
[22:02] pixel13: omg
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[22:02] pixel13: ACTION feels so stupid...
[22:02] pixel13: forgot I am running on my dev box
[22:03] pixel13: ACTION was using production domain name to test
[22:03] pixel13: it's working great now! (sorry guys)
[22:03] CoverSlide: yay!
[22:03] pixel13: …using the *right* IP address definitely helps
[22:03] jzacsh_: i can't seem to get jade templating to see what my title tag is. i've tried doing `title= 'stuff'` at the top of my file.jade -- i'm using express framework. anyone have a suggestion?
[22:04] Cheery: didn't google had some distributed nosql database sort of thing?
[22:04] pixel13: awesome, node-static works great, too (externally)
[22:04] EyePulp: cheery: BigTable
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[22:05] Cheery: is there any sense to use that in small projects?
[22:05] CoverSlide: to learn bigtable
[22:05] EyePulp: probably not
[22:05] EyePulp: I don't know if it's even open source.
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[22:05] CoverSlide: hbase
[22:06] CoverSlide: is similar
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[22:06] EyePulp: do you have a need or just a curiousity?
[22:06] ai0n: anyone still getting Build failed: -> task failed (err #1): {task: cxx node_crypto.cc -> node_crypto_5.o} when installing the latest code from master?
[22:06] Cheery: EyePulp: both + bunch of my own quirks
[22:07] jonaslund: ai0n: don't check out master for the time being unless coding on node yourself
[22:07] jonaslund: ai0n: use the 4.x branches
[22:07] ai0n: jonaslund: roger
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[22:08] ai0n: what is the best way to grab 4.x using git
[22:08] ai0n: i am currently saying
[22:08] CoverSlide: anyone know the roadmap to whem 0.5.0 is to be released?
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[22:08] Cheery: EyePulp: thing is, I believe SQL is a thing of past, a fad and crap.
[22:08] ai0n: git clone --depth 1 git@github.com:joyent/node.git
[22:08] CoverSlide: SQL people would sa NoSQL is a fas
[22:09] CoverSlide: *say *fad
[22:09] jerrysv: coverslide: i'm a sql person, and nosql has been around longer
[22:09] CoverSlide: regardless
[22:09] EyePulp: Cheery: you show your wisdom by your casual dismissal.
[22:09] fostah: Can anyone recommend a good mongo db driver for node? I saw a bunch of packages on npm but wanted to know if there was one that you guys liked the best.
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[22:09] CoverSlide: mongoose
[22:09] Cheery: but I haven't seen much of other things in database tech, except that I know google handles really large datasets among huge amount of users.
[22:10] level09_: I got a question regarding npm
[22:10] EyePulp: fostah: mongoose is decent if you want some structure on occasion
[22:10] level09_: on my mac it seems to work fine
[22:10] jonaslund: There is nothing wrong with SQL if you actually USE sql
[22:10] fostah: CoverSlide: Thanks, and thats a non-blocking driver correct?
[22:10] level09_: but on my VPS (centos) machine, I have to install the module on every directory I work on
[22:10] context: level09_: thats how npm 1.0 works.
[22:10] level09_: I mean it seems like it creates a node_modules dir within the same dir
[22:10] jonaslund: If you're using an ORM to hide the SQL db you're out on thin ice
[22:10] EyePulp: Cheery: It doesn't sound like you know much about either approach. Perhaps some study is in order beyond asking questions on IRC?
[22:10] level09_: but on my mac it works globally
[22:11] EyePulp: =)
[22:11] context: level09_: then you arent running 1.0
[22:11] level09_: context: so I just need to update it ?
[22:11] level09_: context: which version is the newest ?
[22:11] context: level09_: im guessing so
[22:11] context: 1.0.6 i think
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[22:11] Cheery: EyePulp: I know quite a bit from handling SQL, except that it was cumbersome compared to how I usually handle desktop data.
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[22:11] level09_: context: so the new one uses a global node_modules dir ? and the old one creates it everytime you run npm install ?
[22:11] Cheery: sqlite promises some salvation, but it fails with multiple processes badly.
[22:12] context: level09_: no. the NEW one creates local node_module dir
[22:12] EyePulp: sqllite? that's your example of an sql db?
[22:12] level09_: aah so the new appraoch is to install modules for each project
[22:12] slicky: HTMLUnit and _escaped_fragment_, can JSDOM be used to return the HTML of an ajax'd page for SEO easily? Has anyone tried this for SEO?
[22:12] context: cheery: sqlite isnt designed to handle multiple processes hitting it constantly
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[22:12] CoverSlide: with npm >= 1.0 you need the -g flag to work globally
[22:12] context: level09_: yes.
[22:12] kkaefer: context, Cheery: it's a bit better with the write ahead log in 3.7
[22:13] level09_: context: thanks for the hint, I'll upgrade npm now ..
[22:13] context: 14:09 context| http://blog.nodejs.org/2011/05/01/npm-1-0-released/
[22:13] context: 14:09 context| http://pastie.org/1932925
[22:13] context: read those
[22:13] CoverSlide: although i tend to overuse it
[22:13] Cheery: context: I've thought getting multiple process access is one of the points in using database systems in first place.
[22:13] context: yes. most.
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[22:13] context: most are designed to handle many many many GB's of not TB's of data.
[22:14] context: sqlite is NOT.
[22:14] EyePulp: cheery - use a real db for real traffic.
[22:14] jerrysv: cheery: informix used to be like sqlite
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[22:14] fostah: Its easy to update packages with npm, but can anyone tell me if you can update npm itself via command line?
[22:14] EyePulp: e.g. postgres
[22:14] context: cheery: use sqlite for embedded applications and development if you want.
[22:14] jonaslund: Cheery: If you hail NoSQL and think Sqlite has anything to do with salvation you need to get some things straight
[22:14] CoverSlide: sqlite is good and quick way to get up and running for small applications
[22:15] Cheery: EyePulp: like postgresql, but it's complex to configure and I've never liked the idea of generating SQL statements to make database access.
[22:15] CoverSlide: npm -g update tends to update my npm for me
[22:15] context: generated sql statements to make db access?
[22:15] Cheery: yeah, the INSERT, UDPATE, etc. -statements.
[22:15] hoodoos: guuuys, my damn node process is growing in memory. growing and growing. code is really big, is there any best practice to deal with this exept for digging all code? Maybe some way to look into memory process using?
[22:15] jonaslund: sqlite is excellent for development since it really only depends on the filesystem and eases copying,etc
[22:15] context: cheery: you need to do that with sqlite too ?
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[22:16] fostah: CoverSlide: cool ty
[22:16] Cheery: context: not sure, but with SQL-databases I've usually done that.
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[22:16] kkaefer: I'm just shamelessly going ahead and plug http://github.com/developmentseed/node-sqlite3
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[22:16] jonaslund: ACTION is trying to get bigger hands to do a proper facepalm
[22:17] context: cheery: sqlite IS sql. you need to use insert/update statements just the same.
[22:17] context: cheery: if you use something like an ORM, it generates these statements for you, and lets you play with pretty little objects
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[22:17] CoverSlide: sqlite3 is the best sqlite module imo, but i wish someone would write a js version
[22:18] context: huh
[22:18] kkaefer: CoverSlide: that's not possible; sqlite is an embedded db
[22:18] slicky: sqlite is -ite'r than SQL by at least three letters
[22:18] CoverSlide: bits are bits
[22:18] CoverSlide: not impossible, just improbable
[22:18] Cheery: context: last time I used ORM in sqlalchemy, it was more horrible than using the lower level layers of sqlalchemy.
[22:18] kkaefer: CoverSlide: it just doesn't make sense; there is much testing going into sqlite and the c library that anything else would be foolish
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[22:19] context: never touched it. im leaning toward though
[22:19] kkaefer: CoverSlide: http://www.sqlite.org/testing.html
[22:19] justinw312: Anyone socket.io experts online? When my client reconnects, it fires both connecting and reconnecting events. When it reconnects, it fires both connect and reconnect.
[22:19] justinw312: This doesn't seem like the intended behavior
[22:19] kkaefer: CoverSlide: I saw someone writing a "native js" implementatin by creating a child process of the sqlite3 client binary and reading its stdout/stdin
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[22:20] justinw312: So I end up having to test if(socket.reconnecting) in my functions.
[22:21] Cheery: I just wonder which database systems there are though. You can argue with each other about how sqlX is better than sqlY.
[22:21] Cheery: need to look into it myself. bah.
[22:21] CoverSlide: by the way, when the windows port is complete, does anyone have any idea how native modules will be compiled?
[22:22] Cheery: never had anything really huge so maybe looking for those is waste of time.
[22:22] CoverSlide: would they need mingw in their toolchain?
[22:22] EyePulp: Cheery: for real world use of reasonable complexity and speed, there are viable options in both the SQL and noSQL world. Anyone who claims otherwise is probably not a very good advisor.
[22:22] Cheery: most ppl can go with sql even if it was layered into twenty 'helper' layers.
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[22:22] context: justinw312: this.on('connect', maybeReconnect);
[22:22] context: justinw312: the way its coded its intended.
[22:23] fakewaffle: is there a good tutorial on setting up the chrome debugger with node?
[22:23] context: err kind of
[22:24] context: it looks like reconnect might lamost fire before actually connecting
[22:24] Cheery: EyePulp: for me the speed is just one useful property, but real thing I want is multi-process access, okayish API and atomicity of some chain of operations so they don't mess the whole system when they fail.
[22:24] justinw312: context: So if I have to test socket.reconnecting inside of my connecting function, and branch accordingly, why even have a reconnecting event?
[22:24] CoverSlide: on the one hand, I agree that generating human code (SQL) as an intermediary to connect to another computer-run application (SQL Database) doesn't make the most sense, but I think that the NoSQL way isn't exactly the best route either
[22:24] context: cheery: then use a real server and stop complaining.
[22:24] justinw312: context: Thank you for the info though
[22:24] EyePulp: heh
[22:25] Cheery: where do I get such real server?
[22:25] context: justinw312: i have never used socket.io not sure right off hand
[22:25] context:
[22:25] Cheery: I've this far used just vhosts. :P
[22:25] Cheery: and virtual servers
[22:25] jonaslund: CoverSlide: compiling on windows isn't set in stone yet
[22:26] Cheery: they're cool because it's relatively cheap and maintenance easy to go on with them.
[22:26] context: i imagine most of htem came with mysql or postgresqm. pick one. there are a few dozen sql and nosql options for you
[22:26] context: depending on what you are doing
[22:26] jonaslund: CoverSlide: I know there's been work towards porting to MSVC aswell as running on Mingw (mingw works with later 4.x atleast)
[22:26] justinw312: I can't seem to get reconnecting to work either, but I think thats probably my fault. The client tries to reconnect, but the server gives it a new session (instead of resuming the disconnected session)
[22:26] EyePulp: Cheery: context has a point - sitting in the node channel singing praises to nosql doesn't say much about your expectaiotns of stability and performance.
[22:26] justinw312: I probably have a setting wrong
[22:27] EyePulp: *expectations
[22:28] Cheery: EyePulp: reading about these things all the time. I haven't yet found out which one I would pick. but then it seems even you know that I don't find what I need here.
[22:28] justinw312: I'm having a lot of fun with socket/nods/redis for a chat/rpg hybrid project I'm working on
[22:29] Cheery: going to still look around for solutions for node.js since it seems to gain more momentum than python, and is noticeably nicer than php.
[22:29] EyePulp: Cheery: honestly I've seen no evidence that you understand what you're asking for. I think you need to build some things, handle some traffic, and see some actual production loads before these broad assertions you're making are anything more than simply talking to be heard.
[22:29] CoverSlide: just look for databases and what features you need
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[22:30] CoverSlide: there's a node implementation for all the popular ones
[22:30] spasquali: what do y'all use to stress test node apps?
[22:30] CoverSlide: apache benchmark?
[22:31] EyePulp: spasquali: depends on what you want to test. apache bench is good, zombie has potential...
[22:31] mikey_p: siege?
[22:31] tmpvar: zombie parses a dom.. so i doubt it would be good for benchmarking
[22:31] CoverSlide: zombie ♥
[22:31] spasquali: tx
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[22:32] EyePulp: tmpvar: good point - good for testing, but not load testing.
[22:32] CoverSlide: and for sitejacking
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[22:38] justinw312: If my understanding is correct, nothing special needs to be done on the server side to support reconnects in socket.io. The server just buffers the output and sends it upon reconnect. Can anyone confirm if this is correct of if I'm wrong?
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[22:39] justinTNT: 'mornin.
[22:40] justinw312: Good morning
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[22:41] zzak: こんばんは
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[22:46] justinw312: Don't worry folks, me and my ton of questions will be back in moments.
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[22:49] Cheery: I think I'll pick redis
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[22:53] Cheery: it seems to be written in ansi c, has sensible node.js interface and yet even if I didn't find transactions, I found couple atomic operations that shouldn't be bad.
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[22:54] Cheery: I'll see whether I can get on with it.
[22:54] Cheery: but now I get to sleep
[22:54] Cheery: good night
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[22:57] AvianFlu: hey WallyDater GTFO!
[22:59] mscdex: hey WallyDater GTFI!
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[23:14] jmoyers: hmm
[23:14] jmoyers: http://www.infoworld.com/d/application-development/javascript-conquers-the-server-969
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[23:15] jmoyers: these articles are usually so misleading
[23:15] jmoyers: this one is much better than the ibm business
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[23:20] jonaslund: I read that one earlier
[23:20] Tobsn: https://gist.github.com/raw/992227/e230510e3d21073185983720ff934800fc40a36e/extract-url-params.js (client)
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[23:21] jonaslund: jmoyers: was it the IBM article you were lambasting the other day ?
[23:21] jonaslund: (Not strange though considering all the money IBM has invested in Java development)
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[23:23] jmoyers: jonaslund: i didn't actually crap on that article
[23:23] jmoyers: i thought it was naive, but kept my mouth shut
[23:23] jmoyers: marak wrote a hilarious post though
[23:24] jonaslund: ah ok
[23:24] jmoyers: this new one actually took the time to write a few simple apps in each of the server side js environments
[23:24] jmoyers: again the guy says "it uses a single thread"
[23:24] jmoyers: which, almost every one of these guys who hasn't taken the time to look into it misses the fact that on the c/c++ side many of these bindings are using a thread pool
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[23:24] jmoyers: but its managed behind the scenes
[23:25] AvianFlu: hey WallyDater GTFO!
[23:25] jonaslund: tbh though that threading has been in there to avoid io blocking, code is for all practical purposes single threaded
[23:25] jonaslund: (that is discounting any c++ modules)
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[23:32] chbrown: If I have some constants in my node module's package.json["main"] file , and I want to access them from other files in the same module, what's the suggested way to do that?
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[23:33] AAA_awright: Does Node.js support inline functions yet, i.e. function(v) v.replace('1','2');
[23:33] AAA_awright: Or what's it called
[23:34] jonaslund: Does chrome support it ?
[23:34] jonaslund: or correctly.. V8
[23:35] jonaslund: AAA_awright: If V8 supports something you should be able to replace the V8 tree (or use a separate install) and get the benefits
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[23:35] chbrown: AAA_awright: (function(v) {return v.replace('1','2')})('911') works
[23:35] chbrown: (function(v) return v.replace('1','2'))('911') does not
[23:36] jesusabdullah: Any front-end guys in here know a good reference for by-hand (no jquery) DOM manipulation?
[23:36] AAA_awright: chbrown: No, without the "return"
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[23:36] jesusabdullah: I'm playing with bookmarklets!
[23:36] AAA_awright: chbrown: The latest ECMAScript draft lets you use "function(args) expression" as shorthand for "function(args){return expression;}"
[23:37] chjj: jesusabdullah: did you look at mozilla docs?
[23:37] jesusabdullah: chjj: I haven't! I always just use The Google and get disappointing links to w3schools
[23:37] chjj: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Gecko_DOM_Reference
[23:37] AAA_awright: jesusabdullah: The Mozilla DOM reference, or the W3C Recommendations themselves
[23:38] jonaslund: hrrrm
[23:38] jesusabdullah: I've had really good luck with mozilla docs in the past :) and I usually find w3c stuff pretty dry
[23:38] jonaslund: AAA_awright: where is those latest drafts ?
[23:38] jesusabdullah: but maybe I'm just impressed by pretty pictures? Who knows!
[23:38] chbrown: AAA_awright: I have node-0.5.0pre, and no.
[23:38] jesusabdullah: EITHER WAY you guys rock
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[23:38] chjj: yeah, mozilla docs is pretty good, read the specs if you can, quirksmode.org documents all the dom inconsistencies between browsers
[23:38] AAA_awright: jesusabdullah: http://www.w3.org/DOM/DOMTR
[23:39] AAA_awright: chbrown: I'm using master too, I guess I'm wondering when that's going to be merged in
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[23:40] jesusabdullah: whoo bookmarklets \o/
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[23:43] hansschmucker: Hi everybody.... I'M having a slight problem building node.js on Windows... it bails early with a Geman (my system locale) message that seems to suggest that tools/wafadmin/Utils.py/exec_command accidently uses cmd.exe instead of bash to run its code.... which of course doesn't work. Has anybody else come across this issue?
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[23:44] hansschmucker: *German, not Geman
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[23:44] jesusabdullah: Your language is now known as Geman.
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[23:45] jesusabdullah: Said, "Gee, maaan!"
[23:45] hansschmucker: Gee, I'm the creator of a new language ;) But seriously, has anybody else experienced this problem?
[23:45] jesusabdullah: More seriously: I haven't heard of anyone coming across this issue, but I'm not here all the time either.
[23:45] jesusabdullah: Either way, it *is* a problem
[23:46] jesusabdullah: -heh-
[23:46] jesusabdullah: <--captain obvious
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[23:46] jesusabdullah: I'm trying to think of who could be most helpful about that
[23:46] jesusabdullah: I mean, ryah is of course a great resource, but I think there's someone else that's been working on windows issues in particular
[23:47] jonaslund: hansschmucker: hrrm
[23:47] jesusabdullah: If nobody in here has any ideas, I'd suggest filing a github issue. They'll see it eventually!
[23:47] hansschmucker: I'm a newbie.... so is there a particular protocol on when and how people should be contacted?
[23:47] jesusabdullah: Oh, also, check the github issues to make sure nobody's had the issue also
[23:47] hansschmucker: Allright I'll do that.... and stick arond here, maybe someone comes to visit
[23:47] jesusabdullah: hansschmucker: People here are pretty chill. :)
[23:47] jonaslund: hansschmucker: what compiler are you using ?
[23:47] hansschmucker: Normal MinGW
[23:48] hansschmucker: but it doesn't really get that far
[23:48] jonaslund: are you building the 4.x release from the homepage or from git ?
[23:48] jonaslund: (Also do you have MSVC installed ?)
[23:48] hansschmucker: it bails on cp -r c:\node\deps\uv/* c:\node\build\default\/deps/uv && if [[ -z "$NODE_MAKE" ]]; then NODE_MAKE=make; fi; $NODE_MAKE -C c:\node\build\default\/deps/uv
[23:49] hansschmucker: I have C# Express installed, but I changed the compiler order
[23:49] hansschmucker: so that shouldn't be the problem
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[23:49] hansschmucker: I get a "-z not valid here" message
[23:49] hansschmucker: in *Geman* of course
[23:49] hansschmucker: Which is what cmd.exe would say
[23:49] jonaslund: It was a while i built it
[23:50] jesusabdullah: ^__^
[23:50] jonaslund: while ago
[23:50] jonaslund: damn i've lost all my spelling in the last few days
[23:50] hansschmucker: I'm not entirely clear what uses what, which makes things even more difficult to track
[23:50] hansschmucker: I have MinGW installed, but I'm not sure how much the GIT commandline installed itself
[23:51] hansschmucker: it's probably using it's own local copy
[23:51] hansschmucker: gcc version 4.4.0 (TDM-1 mingw32)
[23:51] jonaslund: you only use git manually
[23:51] jerrysv: jesusabdullah: maple, arm, but arduino compatible
[23:51] jonaslund: what i was wondering if you were using the downloaded package or if you checked out the git code yourself
[23:51] jesusabdullah: jerrysv: What's up? Maple?
[23:51] AAA_awright: Git isn't an acronym
[23:51] hansschmucker: Checked it out myself
[23:51] hansschmucker: sorry, AAA_awright
[23:51] AAA_awright: :p
[23:52] hansschmucker: I'm a bit oldfashioned.... only ever worked with CVS and SVN
[23:52] jesusabdullah: Now we have to backronym is
[23:52] jerrysv: jesusabdullah: yeah, conversation from saturday night: http://leaflabs.com/devices/maple/
[23:53] jesusabdullah: *geekgasm*
[23:53] hansschmucker: Anyway, I basically followed the instructions... Installed Python, Installed Git installer, which loads its own MinGW and compiles Git, then checked out source via Git-included bash and configure/make
[23:53] mscdex: heh
[23:53] jesusabdullah: That is smexy!
[23:53] jonaslund: hansschmucker: if you've checked out node from git yourself you should make sure to use the 4.x branch
[23:53] mscdex: i got a pandaboard on the way!
[23:53] mscdex: :-D
[23:53] jonaslund: hansschmucker: or download the prepared source package from the homepage
[23:53] jonaslund: hansschmucker: apperantly there is alot of development going on right now
[23:53] hansschmucker: Followed the howto, let me check waht I checked out :)
[23:53] jerrysv: jesusabdullah: and only like $45
[23:54] jesusabdullah: Yeah
[23:54] jesusabdullah: Lookit all those channels
[23:54] jesusabdullah: I love me some channels
[23:54] hansschmucker: Guess I should just use the binaries.... it just seemed so simple and straight-forward
[23:54] jonaslund: source is good if you wanna use or do extensions
[23:54] jerrysv: jesusabdullah: and compatible with most arduino addons
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[23:54] hansschmucker: I followed this guide: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Building-node.js-on-mingw
[23:55] jesusabdullah: Yeah, I saw that!
[23:55] hansschmucker: I'm a newbie, so I guess the precompiled binaries will do... I honestly just discovered them a minute after coming in here
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[23:56] jesusabdullah: Yeah hansschmucker, They'll probably do you just fine
[23:56] jonaslund: what version are the precompiled binaries of ?
[23:56] jesusabdullah: hansschmucker: What's your background then? I mean, you say you're a noob but you seem to know your way around things pretty good
[23:56] hansschmucker: 0.4.7
[23:56] jonaslund: hansschmucker: replace the git clone stage with extracting http://nodejs.org/dist/node-v0.4.8.tar.gz
[23:56] hansschmucker: My background is Javascript....
[23:56] jonaslund: and try building again
[23:56] mscdex: is the mingw port even complete yet?
[23:57] jonaslund: mscdex: It works for the limited stuff i've done
[23:57] jesusabdullah: front-end guy then, hansschmucker ?
[23:57] jesusabdullah: Word.
[23:57] hansschmucker: I've known computers since .... well as far back as I can remember, but that doesn't mean I know every program on this planet
[23:57] mscdex: Excel.
[23:57] mscdex: :D
[23:57] jonaslund: Should be mostly ok for development
[23:57] hansschmucker: C, C++, BASIC is you want to go that far bar
[23:58] jonaslund: deployment.. njah :)
[23:58] hansschmucker: HTML, CSS, Javascript, SVG, SVG Filters, XSLT....
[23:58] mscdex: what? no fortran? :p
[23:58] chjj: xslt is such a novel language
[23:58] hansschmucker: Sorry, not that old.
[23:58] tjholowaychuk: xslt makes me want to die
[23:59] jesusabdullah: I've done some fortran
[23:59] chjj: xpath expressions make me want to die
[23:59] mscdex: xml makes me want to die
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[23:59] chjj: xpath expressions are horrible pieces of ugliness
[23:59] jesusabdullah: It's pretty terrible except for that it's fast enough for supercomputers and has a lot of scientific code written in it already
[23:59] hansschmucker: It's not that bad.... I mean I've found little use for it and yes xpath is a pain, but it's not something I have serious issues with. XML in general is what people make of it
[23:59] jesusabdullah: that said I would still avoid it like the plague
[23:59] hansschmucker: Well, if possible I use CSS selectors these days ;)
[23:59] mscdex: node-fortran
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