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[04:59] hermanjunge: you're right
[05:01] fakewaffle: - JSON.stringify(Trail)
[05:01] fakewaffle: doesnt seem to work :/
[05:02] jmoyers: fooooooo
[05:02] jmoyers: damn you jscoverage
[05:02] jmoyers: fuuu, too.
[05:03] hermanjunge: I called it a day then :P First day in the forum, loved it :D
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[05:07] mjr_: jesusabdullah: I like me some redis, but it's clearly not for everything.
[05:10] jesusabdullah: mjr_: What kind of stuff would you use redis for, over say couch or sql?
[05:11] mjr_: It's pretty handy for pub/sub, and for things where you need to share state between processes
[05:11] mjr_: Also if you have something that changes a lot, and you wouldn't mind losing the last few minutes of updates on a crash/power failure.
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[05:11] mjr_: So like stats and counters and sessions and a cache.
[05:12] mjr_: Probably still want a real database somewhere else though.
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[05:13] mjr_: I also recommend a real database if you care about getting your data back.
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[05:26] giby: is it difficult to include the closure library in nodejs?
[05:27] olalonde: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=9042.0
[05:27] olalonde: Embedable Javascript Bitcoin miner for your website
[05:27] context: its in npm. so im guessing its very simple.
[05:27] olalonde: who stole my idea :D ?
[05:28] giby: oh cool, any links on how to get started with it from npm? like perhaps its name? :)
[05:28] context: do people actually use that bitcoin stuff
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[05:28] giby: olalonde: the idea of disitbuted computing through the browser is really cool, but the economics of that bitcoin implementation are horrible
[05:28] context: uhh. it says the package name is "closure"
[05:28] context: similar to what you asked for
[05:28] context: http://search.npmjs.org/#/closure
[05:29] giby: thanks :)
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[05:30] olalonde: giby: yea, but technically it's cool :)
[05:30] giby: definitely
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[05:31] giby: context: the market is pretty liquid for transactions under $5k/day, at about $6.85/bitcoin now
[05:31] giby: (and not very liquid for larger amounts)
[05:33] context: huh
[05:33] context: so.. you can make like real money with this bitcoin crap ?
[05:34] mjr_: So did Marak lose real money somehow? What's that whole controversy?
[05:34] mjr_: I assume it is some kind of gag of which I only get 25%
[05:35] Marak: mjr_: im selling my left over coins for $100 a piece
[05:35] Marak: mjr_: i blew all my internet money on fake fiats
[05:35] Marak: mjr_: WHO WILL PAY FOR BULLETS NOW
[05:35] Marak: ;-)
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[05:35] mjr_: Revising my understanding estimate to 10%
[05:35] giby: yes, bitcoins have substantial real value
[05:35] halfhalo: I have a sale going on on bullets!
[05:36] johnnywengluu: how do i couple a spawned process stdout to stdin on my process
[05:36] giby: but the 'making money with it' part is not very rosy
[05:36] giby: it's mostly just a currency
[05:36] context: im so confused
[05:36] johnnywengluu: so whatever is printed out there is printed out to my console
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[05:36] johnnywengluu: var spawned_child_process = child_process.spawn(command, args);
[05:36] johnnywengluu: spawned_child_process.stdin.pipe(process.stdout);
[05:36] johnnywengluu: doesn't work
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[05:36] mjr_: An international decentralized currency is kind of cool.
[05:36] context: so... my cpu crunches hashes, and it poops out eCoins. then i buy stuff?
[05:36] Marak: mjr_: if there is no central authority, what stops someone from just stealing coins
[05:37] mjr_: Hey man, I just skim the title of hacker news, I have no idea how it actually works.
[05:37] giby: sort of. the computational power is really just a way to distribute the initial currency + provide some cryptographic integrity to the network
[05:37] context: they say its uncrackable... so its designed to only 'create' these jelly beans so frequently and slow down as time goes on or something
[05:37] giby: the rewards for doing the 'mining' is very marginal
[05:37] Marak: mjr_: :-p
[05:37] context: i still dont get it
[05:38] giby: it's a distributed network of transactions
[05:38] Guest9038: hello, guys
[05:38] giby: you can send someone bitcoins by broadcasting the transaction to the network and signing it with your private key
[05:38] mjr_: context: there's some value to people using their CPU time for things.
[05:38] giby: which the network verifies because it has the public key to the coins you are transfering
[05:38] mikey_p: Marak: the rest of the network keeps you from stealing coins, it checks for double spending and gives you confirmation for your transactions
[05:39] giby: a distributed database of transactions*
[05:39] Guest9038: olalonde, a u here ?
[05:39] Marak: mikey_p: i think you misunderstand
[05:39] Marak: mikey_p: i meant like, give me your bitcoins this is a stickup
[05:39] context: so people pay bitcoins to use my cpu?
[05:39] mikey_p: some thing that keeps people from stealing dollars?
[05:39] mikey_p: s/some/same/
[05:40] Guest9038: looks different, the hash library, anyone checked it ? _https://github.com/XianYeeXing/xHash
[05:40] Marak: if there are no game masters then the game is controlled by the players
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[05:40] giby: the cpu need is for signing blocks of transactions
[05:40] context: but certain people can take real money and turn it into bitcoins
[05:40] giby: your goal is to find a hash of the last n transactions such that the first x digits of the SHA256 hash are 0
[05:40] context: so it IS centralized.
[05:41] giby: they only turn it into bitcoins by trading with other users
[05:41] giby: not a centralized distributor
[05:41] Marak: Guest9038: dude hrmm?
[05:41] Marak: Guest9038: why use that library?
[05:42] olalonde: Guest9038: yep
[05:42] giby: marak: there will still be banks, just no central bank
[05:42] context: holy shit
[05:42] context: bitcoins have there own stock market
[05:42] Marak: context: you bet ya
[05:42] context: giby: still dont get it. :/
[05:43] giby: yea, for some definition of 'stock market'
[05:43] mikey_p: context: many many markets
[05:43] mikey_p: technically it's a commodity and not a stock
[05:43] mikey_p: http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/
[05:43] giby: mikey_p: I think he is talking about this http://glbse.com/
[05:43] giby: buying stocks in bitcoin based companies for bitcoins
[05:43] mikey_p: technically a currency, not commodity
[05:44] mikey_p: oh
[05:44] context: no i seen what mikey_p posted
[05:44] context: :x
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[05:44] giby: ah
[05:44] giby: in that case, yea, what he said :)
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[05:44] context: still dont get. its just... weird !
[05:44] giby: what don't you get about it?
[05:44] johnnywengluu: anyone knows how i connect a spawned child process stdin to process stdout?
[05:44] johnnywengluu: or maybe its the other way around?
[05:45] fakewaffle: holy shit, i took an app i wrote in CakePHP and am now using it in PieJS, and just changed the syntax and it worked no problem
[05:45] johnnywengluu: to print out messages to console from that spawned child process
[05:45] olalonde: v8: var hash = {}; hash['key1'] = 'val1'; hash['key2'] = 'val2'; for(var key in hash) {console.log(hash[key]);}
[05:46] olalonde: to delete from the hash: delete hash['key1'];
[05:46] olalonde: Guest9038: let me know if you have any question
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[05:46] context: giby: i dont know. its just weird
[05:47] giby: technically it's very cool, lots of information about it on the web to learn more
[05:48] giby: a disitrbuted currency with no central authority is a powerful idea, worth understanding imo :)
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[05:48] context: 'not connected' :(
[05:48] giby: ?
[05:48] context: im running bitcoin but its just sitting here
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[05:49] giby: maybe a port forwarding issue, or maybe just need to wait until it finds some peers
[05:49] bickie: Yo all
[05:49] giby: hey bickie
[05:50] tonymilne: Sup bickie
[05:50] Guest9038: sorry i just answered a phone call
[05:50] bickie: yo lads!
[05:50] bickie: got a quick question
[05:50] bickie: I have some node stuff that does very HTTP requests against an API
[05:50] bickie: obviously, sometimes they fail
[05:50] bickie: so you might get a 403 (rate limit exceeded)
[05:50] Guest9038: olalonde, thx, i am still digesting the materials u sent to me
[05:50] bickie: or a 500 (something very broken)
[05:51] bickie: ro whatever
[05:51] bickie: the error gets noticed and called, ie: callback(err)
[05:51] bickie: however
[05:51] bickie: in the calling code
[05:51] bickie: how do you tell the difference between the types of error?
[05:51] johnnywengluu: spawned_child_process.stdout.pipe(process.stdout);
[05:51] bickie: because by the time it gets up to that level, it's a JS Error object
[05:51] johnnywengluu: that was the answer
[05:52] bickie: which basically have no attributes other than err.message
[05:52] mscdex: bickie: error.code iirc
[05:52] mscdex: oh hmm
[05:52] bickie: err has no native err.code
[05:52] tonymilne: bickie: is response populated? Try: response.statusCode
[05:52] gibybo: response.statusCode
[05:52] gibybo: oh dang I was too slow :(
[05:52] bickie: yeah, so I have it in response.statusCode (in the lib)
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[05:53] bickie: but it gets lost as soon as callback(err) is called
[05:53] mscdex: huh?
[05:53] bickie: so, say the behaviour is to return some different response to the user
[05:53] bickie: or delay further fetching
[05:53] bickie: or whatever
[05:54] mscdex: do you have a simple example you can gist?
[05:54] bickie: that's not going to much further up the chain
[05:54] bickie: yer
[05:54] bickie: that might help :)
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[05:54] Guest9038: Marak: because I want a 'object collection'', which can pop data out, push data in, shift data out, slice and splice data just like javascript Array does, but Array methods don't work on key/value pairs !
[05:55] bickie: Guest9038: what about an array of objects?
[05:55] Guest9038: Marak: Array object can has key/pair element , but Array methods desn't work on it.
[05:56] mscdex: afaik objects have no guaranteed ordering
[05:56] Guest9038: bickie, yup, but what if u want ti get object by key instead of iindex number
[05:56] mscdex: so you can't just use it like a stack
[05:57] tonymilne: underscore.js for the win... just makes arrays/object collections work. ;)
[05:57] bickie: JS doesn't have the concept of sorted K/V entity (ie: dict/hash)
[05:57] bickie: like python
[05:58] Guest9038: bickie, it dose not, like Ruby ^^
[05:58] bickie: yep
[05:58] bickie: but yeah, something like underscore may have some magic to help you
[05:58] Guest9038: so I got one utility: _https://github.com/XianYeeXing/xHash
[05:58] mscdex: Guest9038: why do you need this combined type of access?
[05:59] Guest9038: mscdex: for my boss's request XD
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[05:59] mscdex: that's vague
[05:59] Guest9038: bickie, yup, thx
[05:59] mscdex: :)
[05:59] Marak: ryah: any luck? im dying of suspense
[05:59] ryah: nope
[05:59] ryah: sux
[05:59] Marak: >>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<
[06:00] Marak: 26 confirmations here
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[06:00] mscdex: ?
[06:00] ryah: i'll leave it running all night
[06:00] ryah: mscdex: Marak sent me a coin
[06:00] mscdex: oh
[06:00] mscdex: bitcoins again
[06:00] mscdex: heh
[06:00] Marak: i hope i did
[06:00] Guest9038: mscdex, yup, but in reality, sometimes u needs some tricks to get thing down
[06:01] tonymilne: Is there any global way of listening to emitted events?
[06:01] Guest9038: mscdex, for instance, RESTful is cool, but there r some restricts, so Twitter uses semi-RESTful scheme, that's a compromise
[06:01] mscdex: Guest9038: i think the best you're going to be able to do is use an array of objects and just have a method that loops over it to find the object you want
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[06:02] mscdex: Guest9038: that is if you're searching for a particular value on the object
[06:02] Guest9038: mscdex, thx, and that the small tool dose: https://github.com/XianYeeXing/xHash
[06:02] mscdex: otherwise if you have a reference to the object you can just do array.indexOf(obj)
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[06:02] Guest9038: it's simple and clear, i think it may help ( i hope so)
[06:02] Murugaratham: can node do soap?
[06:04] tonymilne: "Using Node for SOAP is sacrilege. The two are diametrically opposed in their philosophies, and SOAP will easily negate any performance gains you might have made from using an event-drive server." - mahmud, via http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1661024
[06:04] mscdex: Guest9038: just so you know, that module isn't doing anything magical
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[06:04] mscdex: it's just wrappers around loops over the object
[06:04] tonymilne: LOL, dunno how truthful that is, but it is funny nonetheless.
[06:05] mscdex: and it's making bad assumptions about key ordering
[06:05] SubStack: node is turing computable so sure it can do soap
[06:05] SubStack: as unpleasant as soap can be
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[06:05] mscdex: but whatever works for you i guess
[06:05] jmoyers: 2 modules
[06:05] jmoyers: npm search soap
[06:05] Marak: ryah: http://blockexplorer.com/address/1AJuMQpDeMmuJFYMpNGgKpUL8o1JssPaee
[06:05] jmoyers: who knows how complete they are
[06:05] jmoyers: since soap is a giant piece of shit
[06:06] bickie: mscdex / tonymilne: Very rough example of my error type issue: http://pastie.org/private/us7yo4dret5boen0wyse3a
[06:06] Guest9038: mscdex: yup, at least that's simple to modify ~XD
[06:06] bickie: (might be partially pseudo-code as I've been writing in coffeescript and just chucked something to together in JS) - but you ge tmy idea
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[06:07] ryah: Marak: it's so slow!
[06:07] Guest9038: mscdex, i want to download it and do some change, what's 'key ordering' ?
[06:07] mscdex: bickie: if you're talking about the error object emitted from the 'error' event, then it's going to be a connection or lower-level issue
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[06:07] tlrobinson: is "binary" not a valid encoding for readFileSync?
[06:08] mscdex: tlrobinson: you don't need it, it'll return a Buffer if you don't specify an encoding
[06:08] bickie: mscdex: Yeah, I know, but I want to know which :)
[06:08] tlrobinson: k thanks
[06:08] Marak: tlrobinson: im totally gonna get more internet money then you have real money, try to stop me http://www.helpingmarak.net/
[06:08] bickie: for example, I'm using it in parallel queue processing
[06:08] bickie: and I need to know whether it's a temporary failure
[06:08] bickie: or permanent
[06:08] bickie: so I can reschedule or mark as failed
[06:08] mscdex: bickie: could be several things i suppose, is there an errno property set?
[06:08] bickie: but in the queue processing code, it seems impossible to know what sort of error
[06:09] bickie: nope, no properties set
[06:09] mscdex: no properties?
[06:09] mscdex: util.inspect(err, true) ?
[06:09] bickie: (just message)
[06:09] tlrobinson: Marak: are you kidding me? you bought $50k in bitcoins then lost them?
[06:09] bickie: { stack: [Getter/Setter],
[06:09] bickie: arguments: undefined,
[06:09] bickie: message: 'hi, I am an error',
[06:09] bickie: type: undefined }
[06:09] bickie: same for generated errors
[06:10] mscdex: bickie: node does not have its own set of defined error numbers for 'error' event errors
[06:10] bickie: no
[06:10] tlrobinson: Marak: i just sent you 0.01 BTC to get you started
[06:10] bickie: also, JS has no error subclassing
[06:11] bickie: in other languages you'd have like: throw HTTPError(code=500, message="oh dear")
[06:11] bickie: etc
[06:11] Marak: Thanks tlrobinson :-)
[06:11] bickie: in JS it appears there's only Error(message)
[06:11] bickie: nothing else
[06:11] bickie: (well, ecmascript to be precise)
[06:11] bickie: what's the usual approach for handling this?
[06:11] tlrobinson: Marak: small transactions take awhile though i think so who knows when it will actually show up
[06:12] mscdex: bickie: right, and node does set errno and code properties in a lot of cases, but i'm not sure about 'error' event errors
[06:12] Marak: tlrobinson: i see it now actually, just takes a while to crunch as valid
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[06:12] tlrobinson: oh ok
[06:12] bickie: aah, ok
[06:12] bickie: so errno and code are the convention?
[06:12] mscdex: errno is errno from C-land
[06:12] mscdex: i can't remember what the code property is from
[06:13] ryah: tlrobinson: yes, binary can be used with readFileSync
[06:14] mscdex: bickie: in js you can have a subclass if you inherit the prototype, such as with util.inherits
[06:14] bickie: yer
[06:14] aaronblohowiak: SubStack: base being an array doesn't seem to be working in package.json
[06:14] bickie: just trying to work out what the "node way" of doing things is
[06:14] bickie: just looked at node.io
[06:14] bickie: and they just return http error codes as integers for errors
[06:14] bickie: (skip the Error class entirely)
[06:14] bickie: which seems odd
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[06:15] jmoyers: is there a decent way to splice socket.io into express routes?
[06:15] tlrobinson: ryah: got it working if i leave out the encoding, but typeof require("fs").readFileSync(path, "binary") == "string"
[06:15] jmoyers: it would be nice to be able to use the same handlers
[06:15] jmoyers: and potentially parts of middleware
[06:15] ryah: tlrobinson: it's faster just get a buffer by leaving out the encoding
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[06:16] mscdex: bickie: so how does node.io handle 'error' events on the request then?
[06:16] dominictarr: is it possible to have npm 1 install dependencies locally, but as sym links to a cache (instead of recompiling, etc all deps?)
[06:16] bickie: mscdex: they kinda don't (they just pass up the error number)
[06:16] bickie: which means you lose any returned content too
[06:16] mscdex: what error number?
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[06:17] bickie: or server generated error messages
[06:17] bickie: http error code
[06:17] bickie: they pass it up as an integer to the callback
[06:17] mscdex: you won't get that from the 'error' event though
[06:17] bickie: throw everything else out
[06:17] mscdex: that's an http error
[06:17] bickie: and do away with Error objects entirely
[06:17] bickie: yep
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[06:17] bickie: they just throw the whole lot out
[06:17] bickie: and call the callback with err populated as an integer
[06:17] bickie: seems very crude
[06:17] mscdex: 'error' event errors occur under the http layer
[06:18] bickie: aah, i see what you mean
[06:18] bickie: umm
[06:18] Guest9038: mscdex, how about this one:_https://github.com/substack/node-hashish
[06:18] mscdex: like if the remote end closed the connection unexpectedly
[06:18] mscdex: things like that
[06:19] mscdex: or some system error
[06:20] mscdex: Guest9038: that's just sugar on top of an object, no pushing or popping
[06:20] bickie: mscdex: https://github.com/chriso/node.io/blob/master/lib/node.io/request.js#L411
[06:20] bickie: handy
[06:20] bickie: so internal node errors
[06:20] Guest9038: yup, i see that ...woop ...-_-
[06:20] bickie: do have a errno attribute
[06:20] mscdex: bickie: pretty much yeah
[06:20] bickie: I wonder what else they have
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[06:21] mscdex: bickie: not much else, but errno will give you at least some idea what went wrong
[06:21] bickie: yeah, definitely seems to be the convention for internal errors
[06:22] bickie: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.3.1/api/dns.html mentions it too
[06:22] bickie: (see under dns.resolve)
[06:22] mscdex: are you on node 0.3.1?
[06:22] mscdex: :S
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[06:23] bickie: hehe
[06:23] bickie: nah, latest
[06:23] bickie: just the first docs that came up in google :)
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[06:23] mscdex: ah ok cool :)
[06:24] tlrobinson: whats the difference between pipe and pump?
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[06:24] mscdex: tlrobinson: pipe is the one you want
[06:25] mscdex: pump was an early version of pipe
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[06:25] tlrobinson: mscdex: k thanks.
[06:25] bickie: mscdex: thanks heaps for your help - I think I'm on track :)
[06:26] mscdex: bickie: cool, if you have any other questions don't hesistate to ask
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[06:29] pradeepto: How does a node module like node-jshint work? Once installed globally, I can run jshint from commandline. Does it mean, it invokes node.js and then runs the jshint over the javascript file?
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[06:29] aaronblohowiak: pradeepto: https://github.com/jshint/node-jshint/blob/master/bin/hint
[06:30] aaronblohowiak: yep. it envokes node in the current path and then it requires its cli module and calls a method on that module with the current arguments
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[06:30] aaronblohowiak: this is the real implementation of the cli module, but the file i linked to above is the actual "command"
[06:30] aaronblohowiak: https://github.com/jshint/node-jshint/blob/master/lib/cli.js
[06:31] indexzero: pradeepto: The package.json may be helpful for you as well: https://github.com/jshint/node-jshint/blob/master/package.json
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[06:32] indexzero: When you set the 'bin' property in the package.json and install it with `-g` then npm puts symlinks to that script in your bin dir, usually /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin
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[06:33] indutny: those of you who care about node.js future - please upvote here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2566660
[06:34] tlrobinson: are there any simple examples of writing a readable and writable stream?
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[06:35] indutny: tlrobinson: AFAIK, readable stream should just have `pause` and `resume` methods, writeable stream should have `writable` attribute
[06:35] mscdex: well, a WriteableStream will have writable set to true
[06:36] mscdex: if you are able to write to i
[06:36] mscdex: it
[06:36] Marak: indutny: lol
[06:36] Marak: :-D
[06:37] indutny: Marak: node.js depends on you
[06:37] aaronblohowiak: Marak: glad you still have a smile
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[06:44] blueadept: Marak, is this bitcoin thing an epic troll?
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[06:45] blueadept: i swear one of the last things i saw before i took a nap was you on twitter talking abiout 40k worth of bit coins, and i just woke up and and i see a HN thread saying you lost everything?!
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[06:45] ChrisPartridge: Marak: surely you didn't convert your life savings to bitcoins... surely....
[06:46] blueadept: you bitcoin wallet is gone on your computer?
[06:46] blueadept: your*
[06:46] indutny: ChrisPartridge: bro, share our sorrow
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[06:46] jmoyers: is there a way to set up a local npm module that depends on another local npm module?
[06:47] DTrejo: jmoyers: npm link
[06:47] DTrejo: I think
[06:47] Marak: I've got a few coins left, I think I can rebound
[06:47] jmoyers: i was under the impression that link puts it in the global space, no?
[06:47] jmoyers: which is also fine, i suppose
[06:48] DTrejo: not sure
[06:48] blueadept: so wait a minute, someone had to have rooted your machine and deleted the bitcoin wallet
[06:48] pradeepto: aaronblohowiak: indexzero - thanks.
[06:48] blueadept: if so, you can still recover the wallet by looking at your machine's freespace, no?
[06:48] ajsie: anyone good on child_process?
[06:49] ChrisPartridge: ajsie: whats the problem?
[06:49] ChrisPartridge: Marak: so, your being serious?
[06:49] Marak: ChrisPartridge: It's hard to tell at this point
[06:49] Marak: :p
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[06:50] ajsie: var spawnedChildProcess = childProcess.spawn(command, args);
[06:50] ajsie: spawnedChildProcess.stdin.pipe(process.stdin);
[06:50] ajsie: spawnedChildProcess.stdout.pipe(process.stdout);
[06:50] ajsie: spawnedChildProcess.stderr.pipe(process.stderr);
[06:50] ajsie: spawnedChildProcess.on('exit', function (code) {});
[06:51] ajsie: after i have added those 3 middle lines the 'exit' event wont get fired .. but if i remove those 3 middle lines it will get fired.
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[06:51] ajsie: i want to do something after the spawned process has exited
[06:52] tlrobinson: who was the dude trying to get node running on jslinux?
[06:52] tlrobinson: and did he ever succeed
[06:52] tlrobinson: because i got the reverse working: https://gist.github.com/982468
[06:53] chapel: ajsie: you can assign the st channels to the process when you create it
[06:53] chapel: without piping
[06:53] ajsie: hmm
[06:53] ajsie: how?
[06:54] chapel: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.7/api/child_processes.html#child_process.spawn
[06:54] chapel: With customFds it is possible to hook up the new process' [stdin, stout, stderr] to existing streams; -1 means that a new stream should be created.
[06:54] chapel: if you assign it to 1, it should hook it up to the current process
[06:55] `3rdEden: rauchg ping
[06:55] chapel: ajsie: https://github.com/aaronblohowiak/restartr/blob/master/restartr#L30 like that
[06:58] olalonde: tlrobinson: what about running Node inside jsLinux on Node?
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[06:58] tlrobinson: olalonde: thats the next step, of course
[06:58] tlrobinson: olalonde: node inception
[06:58] olalonde: eheh:)
[06:58] ChrisPartridge: haha
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[07:00] jmoyers: http://inception.davepedu.com/
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[07:00] DTrejoAFKarchive: jmoyers++
[07:00] v8bot: DTrejoAFKarchive has given a beer to jmoyers. jmoyers now has 2 beers.
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[07:03] ChrisPartridge: jmoyers: oops, the whole office heard that
[07:03] jmoyers: all the better
[07:03] jmoyers: it just blew all their minds
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[07:04] jmoyers: i mean the button is RED after all
[07:04] tlrobinson: jmoyers: holy shit my speakers were turned up way too loud when i clicked that
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[07:04] jmoyers: well
[07:04] jmoyers: the question is
[07:04] jmoyers: did it kick you out of the dream?
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[07:07] aaronblohowiak: loves it
[07:07] tlrobinson: so close https://gist.github.com/982468#file_almost_node_inception
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[07:09] olalonde: eheh nice try
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[07:10] olalonde: how did you put node in there?
[07:10] aaronblohowiak: okay just added that sound to my make test script
[07:10] tlrobinson: olalonde: https://twitter.com/#!/jdub/status/70880877202255872
[07:11] tlrobinson: oh jdub is in here
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[07:11] tlrobinson: jdub: did you ever get node on jslinux working?
[07:12] aaronblohowiak: how are you guys doing browser testing with node ?
[07:12] aaronblohowiak: for CI
[07:13] jmoyers: what kind?
[07:13] jmoyers: zombie.js is nice for headless testing
[07:14] aaronblohowiak: jmoyers: i am trying to test the full stack, like selenium but with less suck
[07:14] jmoyers: ^zombie.js
[07:14] jmoyers: i used to use selenium rc and some python bullshit to get that
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[07:15] aaronblohowiak: jmoyers: oh it even runs the code in the browser
[07:15] aaronblohowiak: iiiiiiinteresting
[07:15] jmoyers: indeed
[07:15] aaronblohowiak: can you use socket.io with zombie.js ?
[07:15] jmoyers: ah
[07:15] jmoyers: good question
[07:16] jmoyers: https://github.com/assaf/zombie/blob/master/src/zombie/websocket.coffee
[07:17] aaronblohowiak: well, shit
[07:18] aaronblohowiak: =)
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[07:22] aaronblohowiak: jmoyers: oh my gosh
[07:22] aaronblohowiak: this is AMAZING
[07:23] jmoyers: i find it interesting that its written in coffeescript
[07:23] jmoyers: actually what got me to try it out...
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[07:50] Booster2ooo: Hello
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[07:52] Booster2ooo: How can I check/change the encoding of a string ? Because in the little webchat I'm writting, the accentuated characters (comming from IRC) are displayed like squares with a ? in them (in the console & web browser)
[07:53] aaronblohowiak: Booster2ooo: you should change the encoding of your web page =)
[07:53] aaronblohowiak: also, you should use a utf-8 compatible treminal
[07:53] aaronblohowiak: =)
[07:54] Booster2ooo: My browser detects utf-8 content
[07:54] Booster2ooo:
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[07:55] jesusabdullah: Booster2ooo: aaronblohowiak is right! Sometimes it's a pain to get unicode working (sometimes) but making sure everything is utf-8 everywhere *should* take care of that problem!
[07:55] Booster2ooo: jesusabdullah > thx, I'm gonna double check all my encodings
[07:55] aaronblohowiak: Booster2ooo: oh that is weird. what is the server sending you?
[07:55] jesusabdullah: Also, if you're using an obscure font it may be missing characters.
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[07:57] aaronblohowiak: weird, irc has no encoding spec or negotiation
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[07:59] Booster2ooo: jesusabdullah > It's a regular one, the not a font problem
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[08:00] Booster2ooo: it's*
[08:01] jesusabdullah: Yeah, I figured, but I wanted to make sure!
[08:01] jesusabdullah: I remember in the early 2000s my windows box couldn't display asian characters because those fonts were a separate package and windows XP was being too derpy to let me install them
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[08:52] Marak: is anyone here using node-http-proxy?
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[08:52] Marak: looking for projects / companies to list @ https://github.com/nodejitsu/node-http-proxy/wiki/node-http-proxy-in-production
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[08:57] stagas: Marak: I use it here https://github.com/stagas/node-polla but it sucks it was a noob project though it works and I use it :P don't recommend it
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[08:58] pigmej: Hello
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[08:59] pigmej: I have a question about making a client request from node.js server
[08:59] Marak: hail pigmej
[08:59] pigmej: I wanted to use 'keep-alive' connection naturally
[08:59] pigmej: so I need some kind of poll of that requests..
[08:59] pigmej: any example ?
[08:59] pigmej: node-pool + request ?
[09:00] Marak: pigmej: i think that all is in core
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[09:00] Marak: pigmej: can you just specify keep-alive parameter?
[09:00] pigmej: to make request FROM a node.js server ?
[09:00] Marak: pigmej: yes, new httpAgent i think
[09:00] pigmej: hmm
[09:00] pigmej: ok but
[09:00] Marak: pigmej: http.request maybe, or http.createClient ?
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[09:00] pigmej: I need to store somewhere the poll of active connections...
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[09:00] Marak: pooling got added to v0.4.0
[09:01] Marak: i think
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[09:01] pigmej: Marak: are you sure?
[09:01] pigmej: I'm quite newbie in node.js
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[09:01] pigmej: google says nothing
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[09:02] Marak: pigmej: not really
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[09:02] Marak: pigmej: i think pooling for http.client is built into core now
[09:03] pigmej: hmm
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[09:03] pigmej: seems that you're right :)
[09:03] Marak: pigmej: im pretty sure we were using pool as a dep in http=proxy for a while, but now its just request module and raw http.client
[09:04] Marak: pigmej: you might want to look at that code
[09:04] pigmej: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.3.6/api/http.html
[09:04] Marak: pigmej: https://github.com/nodejitsu/node-http-proxy
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[09:05] JackeyChan: var sockets = this.for(''); what's means of this code ?? create a loop that not returned ?
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[09:05] chapel: hey stagas hows it going?
[09:06] stagas: chapel: I'm bored you?
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[09:06] chapel: at work
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[09:06] chapel: you know, only boring people get bored
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[09:07] stagas: I'm boring
[09:07] stagas: and bored
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[09:08] chapel: :(
[09:08] mikey_p: not strictly node.js question, but how do folks handle links to delete if you're using something like express-resource where it's a http request with DELETE method?
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[09:08] chapel: work on something
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[09:08] stagas: chapel: I should
[09:08] mikey_p: i mean how do you protect links, or do you have a delete confirmation form?
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[09:09] stagas: chapel: usually I get bursts of creativity for a few days and then huge downs
[09:10] chapel: yeah
[09:10] chapel: I know what you mean
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[09:10] chapel: though paid projects have been taking up most of my time
[09:10] chapel: not that I work too much
[09:10] chapel: just, cuts into my 'programming' time
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[09:12] stagas: chapel: pressure works for me I get things done when time is limited, but for my own stuff I need to get excited
[09:13] chapel: yeah
[09:13] chapel: I have multiple projects I need to work on
[09:13] chapel: my problem is if I am not in the mood, I would rather chat/surf, though I always work on my paid stuff
[09:14] augustl: if I write to a file in "a" mode faster than the disk can keep up, what will happen? Will the kernel handle it?
[09:14] augustl: the writes happens in bursts, with long delays (minutes) in between
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[09:17] pigmej: Marak: node-http-proxy
[09:17] pigmej: forces connection: close
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[09:33] hkjels: In stylus, how would I interpolate px onto a parameter?
[09:33] hkjels: margin-bottom (unit*1.5)
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[09:34] hkjels: (unit*1.5)px, (unit*1.5)+'px', unit*1.5{px}, unit*1.5{'px'}
[09:34] hkjels: none of these work
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[09:38] orls: hey folk...anyone got any advice on a mysql binding/lib?
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[09:38] orls: are there prefereable / aviodable one?
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[09:49] pigmej: ok node-pool + http.client(or something) should work :)
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[10:10] jemeshsu: What happen to http://nodeblogs.com/? 502 error. Got the link from https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Community
[10:10] `3rdEden: its probably broken :D
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[10:11] pigmej: ok I'm lost ;/ Anyone knows how to correctly do a client request pool?
[10:11] pigmej: with keep-alive naturally
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[10:31] MaSch: is there a socket.io channel or can i asked my question here ?
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[10:38] `3rdEden: MaSch #socket.io ?
[10:39] `3rdEden: but you can just spam you question here as well ;p
[10:39] MaSch: `3rdEden: just to easy >.< thanks
[10:39] `3rdEden: as i'm the only one active int eh socket.io channel :p
[10:40] MaSch: i somewhere read about that socket.io is able to emit events "over the wire" so i call client.emit("costumevent") on the server and die client does a socket.on("costumevent", function...); .. do you unterstand what i try to say?
[10:41] `3rdEden: sure, you can build functionality like that, but it's not build in
[10:42] MaSch: okay, then it was just a dream :D thanks
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[10:44] MaSch: eventedsocket seems to implement this..
[10:44] `3rdEden: But there are projects that might build that functinoality
[10:45] `3rdEden: but you also have nowjs and dnode which allows your clientside library to call your server side functions
[10:46] [AD]Turbo: are there any problems in sending unicode strings over socket.io ?
[10:46] MaSch: `3rdEden: thanks for the tips, does nowjs work with socket.io?
[10:48] `3rdEden: [AD]Turbo socket.io just runs JSON.stringify over all your data, So i guess JSON will handle that for you.
[10:48] `3rdEden: MaSch nowjs uses Socket.IO under the hood
[10:48] MaSch: ahh great, thanks
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[11:04] MaSch: ohh nose >.< jQTouch destroys my now object
[11:04] MaSch: why are they doing this >.<
[11:05] optixx: hello
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[11:06] optixx: is there a prefered way to deloy a node.js app on a server, regarding the depencies installation
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[11:06] optixx: are there like recipe files for npm to ensure to install certain versions of packages
[11:07] optixx: like python's pip requirement.txt files
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[11:08] `3rdEden: MaSch wtf?
[11:08] `3rdEden: spam their issue tracker!
[11:08] MaSch: its a bug, pull request is on the way :D
[11:11] MaSch: `3rdEden: see this: https://github.com/senchalabs/jQTouch/blob/master/jqtouch/jqtouch.js#L91
[11:12] `3rdEden: nice fail lol
[11:12] `3rdEden: they are flooding globals there
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[11:14] MaSch: `3rdEden: yes, added a "var" and send a pull request :D
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[11:17] onno_: Hello?
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[11:32] MaSch: `3rdEden: i belive jQtouch only consists of bugs <.< scary
[11:32] MaSch: thanks for all your help anyway, nowjs is great
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[11:36] `3rdEden: MaSch than just jQuery mobile instead?
[11:36] MaSch: `3rdEden: just found it, looks way better
[11:36] kwk: Hi to all! What is the best MySQL driver implementation/binding for node.JS? https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/modules#database
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[11:37] saschagehlich: kwk: guess it's node-mysql bei felixge
[11:37] saschagehlich: *by
[11:38] UHMA: yeh. npm install mysql
[11:38] kwk: saschagehlich: german?
[11:38] saschagehlich: kwk: yup
[11:38] kwk: m2
[11:38] saschagehlich: :D
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[11:39] UHMA: I like when the best modules have the best names, lol
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[11:44] `3rdEden: Ich spreche ein bisschen Deutsch
[11:44] `3rdEden: ^_^
[11:45] kwk: `3rdEden: let's stick to English here
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[11:45] kwk: byebye
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[11:46] `3rdEden: tss
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[11:46] `3rdEden: Я в порядке с этим, но России это тоже хорошо kwk
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[11:56] cincinnatus: using Socket.IO, what would, roughly, be a reliable way to pair up clients for one-on-one chats (as soon as there are two clients available)?
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[11:59] tsesame: There's modules available to make comms between clients easier than using socket.io
[12:00] cincinnatus: oh, well, what do you recommend?
[12:01] tsesame: Something like NowJS maybe
[12:01] tsesame: dnode looks good too
[12:02] tsesame: Those build on socket.io
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[12:03] johnnywengluu: so with browserify my npm modules work on the browsers too?
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[12:03] guybrush: johnnywengluu: yes
[12:03] cincinnatus: tsesame, thanks, I'll look into those.
[12:03] johnnywengluu: is browserify production ready
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[12:03] guybrush: they will get wrapped with some code, so you can `require` them on the client side
[12:03] johnnywengluu: do i have to have a nginx / caching in front of it?
[12:03] guybrush: johnnywengluu: yes i use it in production
[12:04] guybrush: browserify does cache all the code in memory
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[12:04] johnnywengluu: this is better than now.js?
[12:04] johnnywengluu: or is it for different needs
[12:04] guybrush: browserify and nowjs are 2 completely different things?!
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[12:04] johnnywengluu: okay .. browserify works with npm modules
[12:05] johnnywengluu: now.js doesn't .. and it triggers code in server rather than fetching them to the client
[12:05] guybrush: did you read the README's of all those projects?
[12:05] johnnywengluu: yeah
[12:05] johnnywengluu: just wanted to make sure im correct
[12:05] johnnywengluu: well browserify it is then
[12:06] `3rdEden: tsesame and how do they make it easier to have clients communicate with each other?
[12:07] guybrush: johnnywengluu: browserify makes npm-modules REQUIRE-able on the client-side // nowjs makes functions CALL-able on the client-side
[12:07] tsesame: well you're not having to deal with serializing your data for the stream, they use objects to make remote method calls
[12:07] guybrush: maybe that is confusing?
[12:08] tsesame: NowJS has the everyone object to broadcast a method call to every client
[12:10] guybrush: johnnywengluu: also note that dnode comes with browserify
[12:10] `3rdEden: tsesame you can just send objects over socket.io as well.
[12:10] `3rdEden: tsesame socket.io has .broadcast as well..
[12:10] tsesame: sure, but then you have to somehow wait for them on the other side
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[12:11] `3rdEden: errmm thats the same with dnode and nowjs?
[12:11] guybrush: `3rdEden: what is the purpose of underscore? why is "everyone" using it? --- i mean you can do it all with javascript
[12:11] `3rdEden: guybrush huh?
[12:11] tsesame: well, at least in the case of nowjs, you defined a method that would get called on the server when you call it on the client
[12:12] guybrush: `3rdEden: its the same with nowjs,dnode,.. everyone uses it --- even if you can do it yourself with socketio
[12:12] tsesame: it just simplifies things, that's all, less overhead to deal with
[12:13] guybrush: i mean, why do you even use socketio? you could write your own :p
[12:13] tsesame: as with anything, it's not necessarily the one solution to all -- in some cases you might want to roll your own RPC lib on top of socket.io
[12:13] `3rdEden: guybrush iknow but thats not the point here, tsesame stated that it easier to `connect` clients with other with nowjs and dnode. And I just want to know how it's easier than using socket.io
[12:14] `3rdEden: because you can just do client.on('message', function(data){ }socket[data.sessionid].send( data.message) | ) in socket.io and you have communication between 2 clients
[12:14] guybrush: `3rdEden: the dnode-slides from nodeconf explain that pretty well http://substack.net/doc/dnode_slides_nodeconf.pdf
[12:14] tsesame: Well I can't say I've written anything that uses socket.io directly, but I'd bet that it would take less LOC to write a basic chat server w/ NowJS than using socket.io alone
[12:15] guybrush: also note that there are dnode-protocol implementations in other languages too! so this becomes even more handy
[12:16] tsesame: `3rdEden: In your opinion, you don't think these libraries really add anything on top of socket.io?
[12:16] `3rdEden: guybrush iknow dnode works and how nowjs work.. but as i stated above, just because you can RPC it doesn't mean its `easier` to to have 2 users communicate with each other
[12:16] `3rdEden: tsesame thats not what I'm saying
[12:16] guybrush: `3rdEden: sorry maybe i dont get the point
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[12:17] guybrush: i mean it is obviously why one would use wrapper-libs of socketio
[12:18] `3rdEden: Yes that is obviouse but it's not obviouse why you should do that if you just want to have 2 users communicate with other
[12:18] guybrush: right
[12:19] tsesame: We're talking about two clients communicating w/ each other via the server, right?
[12:19] `3rdEden: Yes, like personal messages
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[12:20] tsesame: So you're saying you can write the same functionality using just socket.io, in the same or less LOC?
[12:20] guybrush: `3rdEden: i use dnode because all my code is written to work with it :p
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[12:20] guybrush: and thats even rpc without socketio
[12:21] guybrush: plain tls-server/client communication wrapped with dnode
[12:21] tsesame: dnode doesn't use socket.io?
[12:21] tsesame: I had thought it did..
[12:21] guybrush: it does, to make server<->browser communication possible
[12:21] tsesame: oh gotcha
[12:21] guybrush: guys please read the README
[12:21] guybrush: its all there
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[12:24] `3rdEden: tsesame is that a challange :D?
[12:24] guybrush: also note
[12:24] guybrush: there is capsule
[12:24] guybrush: wich is also built upon socketio (and backbone)
[12:24] guybrush: pretty interesting imho
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[12:25] tsesame: `3rdEden: Lol, if you want it to be.. I swear that I'm curious because if so I would seriously consider using socket.io directly
[12:25] tsesame: Obviously I need to look at it more carefully
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[12:26] tsesame: First off I didn't know you could push and received unserialized objects
[12:27] tsesame: guybrush: haven't heard of that one, will look
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[12:29] `3rdEden: tsesame socket.io already keeps a hash of all connect clients. They are stored as key (sessionid) > value (socket.io client obj)
[12:29] `3rdEden: So the only thing you would have to do, is send over a sessionid of the connected user, and a message
[12:31] tsesame: What happens if you're not supporting sessions?
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[12:36] guybrush: tsesame: i have also written a very simple example to use backbone and dnode for rpc (https://github.com/guybrush/backbone-rpc-example -- http://guybrush.no.de)
[12:36] johnnywengluu: guybrush: good explanation!
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[12:38] johnnywengluu: guybrush: DNode is an asynchronous object-oriented RPC system for node.js that lets you call remote functions.
[12:38] johnnywengluu: so dnode is comparable with now.js?
[12:38] guybrush: it is
[12:39] johnnywengluu: dnode comes with browserify you said. if i just want to require npm modules .. i dont have to care about dnode?
[12:39] guybrush: yes
[12:39] johnnywengluu: why does it comes with browserify?
[12:39] johnnywengluu: come
[12:39] guybrush: to give you more ways to implement it
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[12:40] guybrush: so if you just want to use dnode, require it on the serverside and it will mount /dnode.js for you
[12:40] `3rdEden: tsesame sessions are required for polling connections such as long polling
[12:40] guybrush: if you want to use some other npm-libs on the client too, you CAN use browserify and include dnode
[12:41] johnnywengluu: okay
[12:41] johnnywengluu: im not sure im getting this .. let me start with browserify first =)
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[12:41] `3rdEden: tsesame: this is a simple client 2 client communication in socket.io
[12:41] `3rdEden: https://gist.github.com/982814
[12:41] guybrush: :D just learn by doing, it is pretty straight forward - you will get it fast
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[12:41] johnnywengluu: can i use browserify to require from node.js server that isn't on the same ip as the javascript page?
[12:42] johnnywengluu: with other words : the browser file isn't served with node.js
[12:42] johnnywengluu: it still works?
[12:42] guybrush: johnnywengluu: hmm i think i dont quite get your question
[12:43] guybrush: xhr is not possible with browserify if thats what you mean
[12:43] johnnywengluu: the html/js is hosted on CDN
[12:43] johnnywengluu: and then i run a node.js server else where .. does it still work?
[12:43] guybrush: ok
[12:44] jesusabdullah: It doesn't do anything special in terms of loading the file on the client side, johnnywengluu. It just bundles everything for you on the server side.
[12:44] guybrush: you would have to fetch the js-code first, than bundle it with browserify
[12:44] johnnywengluu: okay
[12:44] johnnywengluu: seems to be a very popular way of require() npm modules
[12:44] johnnywengluu: a lot of users
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[12:45] johnnywengluu: kinda a good hack =)
[12:45] guybrush: i think, what you want to do is call browserify via dnode and bundle code from any CDN? :D
[12:46] johnnywengluu: hmm
[12:46] tsesame: `3rdEden: That makes sense now
[12:46] johnnywengluu: i have to idea what i want
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[12:46] guybrush: johnnywengluu: just try to implement some basic examples yourself, you will get how it works
[12:46] johnnywengluu: just wondered if it can fetch my npm packages from a node.js server that isn't serving the html file
[12:46] tsesame: I can see that using socket.io is simpler than I had thought
[12:46] tsesame: for some cases anyway
[12:47] johnnywengluu: the html file is served from a cdn
[12:47] johnnywengluu: okay
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[12:48] guybrush: johnnywengluu: i think you would have to put