[00:00] kmiyashiro: mind blown
[00:00] kmiyashiro: ok thanks
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[00:01] tjholowaychuk: you can have a function return itself foo()()()()()() haha
[00:01] tjholowaychuk: wewwww
[00:02] kmiyashiro: is that like this? http://www.dustindiaz.com/javascript-curry/
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[00:02] kmiyashiro: what's the diff between blah()() and blah() { return function() }
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[00:02] Ratty_: I love a good curry
[00:03] pyrotechnick: vindaloo for me please
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[00:04] chapel: tjholowaychuk: does connect have res.redirect?
[00:04] tjholowaychuk: chapel: nope
[00:04] chapel: ah
[00:04] tjholowaychuk: connect doesn't touch req/res
[00:05] chapel: kk
[00:05] tjholowaychuk: with a few small exceptions
[00:05] tjholowaychuk: like sessions
[00:05] chapel: it can handle headers though right?
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[00:05] tjholowaychuk: for sure
[00:05] tjholowaychuk: just like regular node
[00:06] chapel: kk, well figured
[00:06] tjholowaychuk: res.setHeader(field, val)
[00:06] tjholowaychuk: it's just a few lines instead of 1
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[00:08] quackslike: Ratty_ +1 on the curry..
[00:08] quackslike: Curry is on the menu for lunch today. woot.
[00:09] Ratty_: KFc double down for me. It came out here today.
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[00:09] quackslike: Ratty_ where are you?
[00:09] Ratty_: New Zealand
[00:10] isaacs: Ratty_: npm install https://github.com/isaacs/node-tap/tarball/master
[00:10] isaacs: Ratty_: that is, no, but you can install from a tarball, or a folder, so put your git repo into that.
[00:10] quackslike: I think we still dont have it here in AU. I was pretty disappointed when it came out in US but not here..
[00:10] Ratty_: Ooh thanks
[00:11] Ratty_: Aussies are too healthy
[00:13] quackslike: Ratty_: i dunno there are some porkers here mate.
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[00:14] ChrisPartridge: quackslike: We had it here.. but its gone already
[00:14] ChrisPartridge: was around for like a week
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[00:15] quackslike: ChrisPartridge: oh! pfft. that'd be right.. You're in Syd. aren't you?
[00:15] ChrisPartridge: Adelaide
[00:15] quackslike: noo..
[00:15] ChrisPartridge: It was horrible anyway
[00:15] quackslike: same here.
[00:15] quackslike: Where you workin at?
[00:16] quackslike: dm me if you like..
[00:16] ChrisPartridge: place called Dynamic Methods, yourself?
[00:16] quackslike: i can't say in public
[00:16] quackslike: work form home - company based in melb.
[00:16] ChrisPartridge: fed! :-)
[00:17] quackslike: heh
[00:18] quackslike: did you used to work at internode as an architect?
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[00:19] ChrisPartridge: Nope, never worked at Internode, but know a fair few people there
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[00:24] zeade: what's the best way to create c-based bindings for node?  for any php hackers from way back, think zend
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[00:25] tjholowaychuk: zeade: by writing c++ :D
[00:25] tjholowaychuk: no zend :p zend bad
[00:25] tjholowaychuk: but
[00:25] tjholowaychuk: for reference
[00:25] zeade: heh i like your simple words
[00:25] tjholowaychuk: just pull up a few existing projects like https://github.com/learnboost/node-canvas
[00:25] tjholowaychuk: or libxmljs
[00:25] zeade: i haven't dug into node source, guess i will
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[00:28] Tobsn: evening
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[00:30] tjholowaychuk: bradleymeck: hey, do you know if anyone has proposed adding offset support to some of the regexp methods?
[00:31] tjholowaychuk: like regexp.exec(str, i)
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[00:36] xeodox: Does anyone know the aws/EC2 channel by any chance?
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[00:38] tjholowaychuk: damn u left recursion
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[00:43] quackslike: xeodox: no, but if you find out can you ping me the name
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[01:14] nexxy: SubStack, oh I see how it is!
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[01:33] SubStack: nexxy: eh?
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[01:45] gtramont1na: Yo guys, how do I write css animations using Stylus?
[01:45] tjholowaychuk: gtramont1na: one sec
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[01:46] tjholowaychuk: gtramont1na: same as css really https://gist.github.com/0b4c962a5729d636c4cf
[01:46] tjholowaychuk: or the indentation syntax
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[01:47] gtramont1na: tjholowaychuk: cool. thanks a lot!
[01:47] tjholowaychuk: np
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[02:14] blueadept: tj: you ever take extended breaks from coding? 
[02:14] tjholowaychuk: blueadept: yup
[02:15] tjholowaychuk: typically im done by 530 but im catching up on a few things
[02:15] blueadept: you seem to put in an incredible amount of time
[02:16] mscdex: woo finally got the windows compound files binary format done
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[02:16] tjholowaychuk: i've been at the computer more than usual the last few weeks, big non-code related project
[02:16] mscdex: now to actually tackle office file streams
[02:16] mscdex: :-D
[02:16] blueadept: ah, cool
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[02:17] mscdex: hopefully by the end of this week i'll have m$ office readers for node
[02:18] mscdex: muahaha
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[02:18] Ratty_: You sick little monkey
[02:18] blueadept: hey if anyone hasn't heard already, pedro of nodetuts.com just increased a book, http://www.nodetuts.com/handson-nodejs-book.html
[02:18] blueadept: 143 pages
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[02:46] jchris: anyone doing Node on Nitro?
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[03:15] vikstrous: how does one call a function with no arguments in coffeescript?
[03:16] wadey: ()
[03:16] vikstrous: oh
[03:16] vikstrous: should've seen it coming i guess
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[03:25] Tobsn: anyone an idea why mongodb wont install? http://pastebin.com/MUuBdivM
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[03:37] vikstrous: does coffeescript's -w option even watch dependencies? do i have to specify them manually? how do i do this?
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[03:38] wadey: you might have more luck in #coffeescript
[03:38] JohnnyL: Can Node.js handle multicore or perhaps multiple computers?
[03:38] gkatsev: is there a #coffeescript?
[03:39] gkatsev: I know there's #documentcloud
[03:39] wadey: yeah, there are usually lots of people in it
[03:39] wadey: JohnnyL: you can use something like this for multicore: http://learnboost.github.com/cluster/
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[03:41] Tobsn: god damnit... anyone know why mongodb make throws this error: http://pastebin.com/RWuTqzYs ?
[03:42] wadey: have you tried the mongodb channel? probably more people that use mongo over there
[03:42] JohnnyL: wadey: thanks.
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[03:46] chapel: `v git haibu @ JohnnyL
[03:46] v8bot: JohnnyL: nodejitsu/haibu - GitHub - https://github.com/nodejitsu/haibu
[03:46] chapel: check that out JohnnyL
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[03:48] Tobsn: its a node issue not mongodb
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[03:51] Ratty_: Is it missing the BSON package?
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[03:54] JohnnyL: chapel: looks good.
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[04:02] vikstrous: hey guys, what should i use for making a basic http request to get an rss feed from another server?
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[04:03] quackslike: vikstrous: httpclient
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[04:04] vikstrous: quackslike: thanks
[04:04] nerdfunk: hello
[04:05] chapel: vikstrous: for simplicity request
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[04:05] nerdfunk: im a little unsure as to where to get information on http.createClient ? i cant see it in the docs . .
[04:05] chapel: `v git node request @ vikstrous
[04:05] v8bot: vikstrous: mikeal/node-utils - GitHub - https://github.com/mikeal/node-utils
[04:05] chapel: err
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[04:05] chapel: `v git request mikeal
[04:05] v8bot: chapel: mikeal/request - GitHub - https://github.com/mikeal/request
[04:05] chapel: there
[04:05] vikstrous: well i just need the most basic one
[04:05] chapel: well either way
[04:06] chapel: request abstracts away stuff, makes it super simple
[04:06] tonymilne: Here's an example of some code http://pastie.org/1883726
[04:06] chapel: handles a lot of issues you might otherwise have to deal with
[04:06] tonymilne: if you want to see what its like without using a 3rd party module.
[04:06] vikstrous: okay
[04:07] vikstrous: well, if i have that code, should i just use it?
[04:07] nerdfunk: oh, that's actually what I was looking for too ;P
[04:07] tonymilne: up to you ;)
[04:07] vikstrous: i guess that's 1 less library i need
[04:07] chapel: either way, using the core stuff is easy too
[04:07] chapel: just more code
[04:08] vikstrous: what about xml parsing? what would i use for that? server side jquery?
[04:08] tonymilne: there is o3-xml which isn't too bad.
[04:09] vikstrous: okay i'll check it out
[04:09] nerdfunk: tonymilne: thank you for that timely pastie.
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[04:10] tonymilne: you're welcome.
[04:10] vikstrous: tonymilne:  hmm looks like o3-xml would have better performance than if i used jquery?
[04:11] tonymilne: Yep, it should be faster. However, because o3-xml has compiled c++ code, it needs recompiling each time you bump node versions (as far as i know). They have releases for you, but you're better off recompiling it yourself.
[04:12] tonymilne: This means you need to recompile multiple binaries if your dev is a mac, and prod is ubuntu for example. Just fyi.
[04:13] vikstrous: tonymilne: Hmm, well since I'm lazy and I don't care atm I'll just go with jquery or any other xml parser i can find that's just javascript :P
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[04:14] tim_smart: Most xml libraries bind to a C library, pure Javascript parsers are just too slow
[04:14] tonymilne: Yeah, you can always re-factor later. We just had 40mb xml files that were being uploaded 2x per day (zipped of course). So we needed to pay attention to performance.
[04:15] jesusabdullah: It's true! You can parse with pure JS, but you can't parse the SHIT out of something without some C++
[04:15] tim_smart: parsing shit is not a welcome side effect :)
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[04:16] Ratty_: Speaking of which, is there a decent AMF (de)serializer?
[04:16] vikstrous: tim_smart: yeah I'll switch to something better if i ever put this thing live
[04:17] JohnnyL: do you guys program in CoffeeScript or just JS?
[04:17] tim_smart: Bit of both
[04:17] quackslike: i really dont see the point of CoffeeScript.
[04:18] dhasenan: quackslike, do any object oriented programming in js?
[04:18] tim_smart: quackslike: If you like concise, clean syntax coffee is nice, but I always end up prefering vanilla ecmascript
[04:18] tbranyen: quackslike: its the ebonics of javascript
[04:19] tbranyen: just a layer on top of a language
[04:19] tbranyen: personally i think it just makes it harder to understand
[04:19] tbranyen: but some people jive with it
[04:19] Ratty_: I never got around to trying coffeescript
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[04:19] Ratty_: JS is fine.
[04:19] meatmanek: more like cockney
[04:19] tbranyen: govnar
[04:19] meatmanek: guvna'
[04:19] quackslike: tbranyen: :)
[04:20] tbranyen: :D
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[04:22] nerdfunk: hmm
[04:22] Ratty_: hmm
[04:22] tbranyen: indeed
[04:22] nerdfunk: getting <title>400 Bad Request</title> back from twitter search . . 
[04:23] quackslike: dhasenan: i just put everything in one big function.. :)
[04:23] quackslike: that way i know where it is..
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[04:28] nerdfunk: I can't seem to get this to work, based on tony's pastie a second ago .. http://pastie.org/1883754
[04:30] chapel: nerdfunk: the api has changed http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.7/api/http.html#http.request
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[04:30] nerdfunk: ah
[04:31] kmiyashiro: anyone have experience with node-oauth?
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[04:33] nerdfunk: cool, thanks a lot :)
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[04:39] ryah: rawr
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[04:39] Aria: You don't say.
[04:39] ryah: ~/projects/oio% make bench
[04:39] ryah: test/run-benchmarks
[04:39] ryah: oio_handle_t: 400 bytes
[04:39] ryah: oio_req_t: 120 bytes
[04:39] ryah: ping_pongs: 18753 pings
[04:40] ryah: pump_read_100: 11.1 gbit/s
[04:40] ryah: pump_write_100: 11.1 gbit/s
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[04:40] ryah: Done.
[04:40] Aria: Wow.
[04:40] Aria: How's Windows doing? 
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[04:41] ryah: 1 gbit/sec
[04:41] tim_smart: ryah: o.O nice
[04:42] tim_smart: windows not so nice >.>
[04:42] ryah: someone should run it on macintosh and tell me what the output is
[04:42] tim_smart: I don't think I have xcode installed on my Mac partition
[04:42] Aria: I'd be happy to.
[04:43] tim_smart: We have a winner!
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[04:43] tim_smart: ryah: Do you have an idea on why iocp is not performant?
[04:44] ryah: 1gbit throughput isn't that bad
[04:44] ryah: better than 10megabit
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[04:44] planetic: When I create an "object" is there any difference between creating methods inside a constructor and by addyng method to prototype? e.g "js> Dog = function ()  {this.bark = function(..) ...}" vs. "js> Dog = function () {...}; Dog.prototype = {"bark": function(...)}" vs "Dog = function () {...}
[04:45] Aria: Mac: 1.8gbit/sec, on my macbook air.
[04:45] tim_smart: Not that bad, but not on par with linux
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[04:46] tim_smart: planetic: Yes
[04:46] tim_smart: The prototype version will have only one function in reference no matter how many dogs you create
[04:46] tim_smart: whereas the first method will create a function for each dog
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[04:47] tim_smart: Meaning using prototypes will save memory (and initiation time)
[04:47] planetic: Ok
[04:48] tim_smart: Think of a prototype as a shared object, almost like a proxy
[04:51] pyrotechnick: if only
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[04:52] planetic: So if I want instance methods I create them as this properties inside constuctor?
[04:52] planetic: And if I want some shared stuff, like counters I add them to prototype.
[04:53] tim_smart: planetic: Anything you attach to the prototype will be available on the instance
[04:53] tim_smart: It looks on the object itself, then on the prototype
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[04:56] planetic: But the new operator will not create "new" functions if I attach them to prototype, right? And create "new" functions if I attach them to this inside constructor. Thank you now I will test it in console.
[04:57] tim_smart: planetic: If you attach methods to the prototype, and then call new on the constructor - it won't 'copy' the methods over, but rather reference them.
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[04:58] tim_smart: *Unless* you overwrite the property. I.e. var Dog = function () {}; Dog.prototype.bark = function () {}; var dog = new Dog(); dog.bark = 'woof';
[05:01] planetic: Ok, now I can OOP.
[05:01] tim_smart: :)
[05:02] kmiyashiro: and if you change the prototype, that changes all the instances of that prototype?
[05:03] tim_smart: kmiyashiro: Correct
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[05:03] kmiyashiro: horay
[05:04] kmiyashiro: if I do app.use(express.session(blah blah)); ... shouldn't req.session always be defined?
[05:06] tim_smart: kmiyashiro: Don't know; not sure how the session plugin works.
[05:07] tim_smart: I have been using node since the beginning of last year, and have never used express once :/
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[05:08] kmiyashiro: oh there it goes
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[05:08] kmiyashiro: weird... I had to retry a few times in the browser for it to work
[05:08] kmiyashiro: I just started using node because I kind of know javascript and I want to make prototypes
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[05:16] Opaque: Hey. I'm using socket io right now (actually nowjs for the current moment), and my project depends on authentication. Currently, I have it set up so that I create a temp session and send the id reference for their session (which includes user id, page they're entering) so that I can reference them to a registered account. The security flaws are obvious, anyone can steal someone's identity until that session is deleted if they get that Id and are tricky en
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[05:17] darshanshankar: woot woot nowjs
[05:17] darshanshankar: sorry id try to help Opaque but ill brb
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[05:18] Opaque: :) np.
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[05:19] Aria: ryah: make that 4.1gbit/sec on the macbook air, since I had a cpu-hogging process and hadn't noticed
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[05:28] tonymilne: Opaque: Your approach is the right one  as far as I know (I just implemented the same approach) - wouldnt it just be a case of protecting the sessionId in transit using https?
[05:29] tonymilne: The final two session protection mechanisms you need to provide are timeouts on sessions and changes of session ID’s when users carry out sensitive actions.
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[05:31] nerdfunk: If I have a block of text which may contain a url, is it best to use regex to try and parse it out or will node's url do something similar ?
[05:32] Opaque: Oh timeout is a great one. What db store do you use for sessions?
[05:32] tonymilne: I'm using mongodb for mine.
[05:34] Opaque: How are you protecting the objectid?
[05:34] pquerna: ryah: https://twitter.com/#!/nearyd/status/66520144310054913
[05:34] Opaque: Since it's easily predictable when it increases at the end.
[05:35] tonymilne: Im using connect-mongo
[05:36] tonymilne: So my _id actually looks like: pKJikdgvC5EuR2rjOgg5Qsrj.Zz35SK2assjhsaj06nVY+J1c3QaCwYfT/4Lu9MYEVrzC2dssagAEA
[05:36] tonymilne: not a regular mongodb objectId
[05:36] tonymilne: Better entropy.
[05:36] Opaque: Indeed.
[05:37] tonymilne: There are two connect mongodb modules, one had a bug - but i found a way to fix that. Just cant remember if i swapped to using the other one instead.
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[05:40] vikstrous: hey guys how would i make something use the data gathered by async calls inside a for loop?
[05:41] vikstrous: one hack i can come up with is checking if the current iteration is the last one and then calling a function from there... but that seems awkward
[05:41] tonymilne: put the for loop inside the callback of the async call.
[05:41] towski: I'm doing a server.close() on my http server, but my process doesn't exit. is there something else I need to do?
[05:41] chjj: vikstrous, thats exactly what you need to do
[05:42] chjj: thats how you do a parallel loop
[05:42] vikstrous: really? i should check if it's the last iteration?
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[05:42] towski: oh wait, maybe it's something in my other code
[05:42] chjj: yeah
[05:42] tonymilne: towski: do you have a database connection or anything else "listening for events"? 
[05:42] chjj: thats how its done
[05:42] vikstrous: alright *sigh*
[05:42] chjj: well
[05:42] towski: tonymilne: probably yeah I'll have to look around
[05:42] chjj: you could do a serial loop
[05:43] chjj: if you need the iterations to complete in order
[05:43] chjj: in a serial loop the end of one iteration invokes the next one
[05:43] vikstrous: oh wait... how would i know which one is the last one if they are not in order?
[05:43] tonymilne: a counter.
[05:43] chjj: what do you mean?
[05:43] chjj: doesnt matter what order they finish in, theyll still be the same amount of them
[05:43] tonymilne: or populate variables, and check that each one is populated.
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[05:44] vikstrous: okay makes sense
[05:44] vikstrous: i like the last suggestion
[05:44] vikstrous: seems like a lot of extra work though
[05:44] tonymilne: there are some good little modules that help you.
[05:44] chjj: var a = [ 1, 2, 3 ], i = a.length; a.forEach(function(v) { process.nextTick(function() { --i || done(); }); });
[05:44] chjj: thats the hacker way
[05:44] vikstrous: yeah i was just thinking about that.. i saw something that helps with that
[05:45] tonymilne: search for flow control, Step isn't bad.
[05:45] vikstrous: hah..
[05:45] chjj: try writing your own async loop functions, see if you can figure it out, you can learn a lot that way
[05:45] vikstrous: what's process.nextTick() ?
[05:45] chjj: it queues the function up to be called on the next tick of the event loop
[05:46] vikstrous: hmm never had to use that before :P
[05:46] chjj: so, setTimeout(func, 0); but better
[05:46] vikstrous: alright i'll see how it goes
[05:46] vikstrous: thanks
[05:46] chjj: i was just using it there to show you something async
[05:46] tonymilne: Sorry if this is off topic, but are there many (or any) Australians in here?
[05:46] vikstrous: yeah i should keep them async since they are http requests :P
[05:47] chjj: vikstrous: i meant i just wanted to show you some basic asynchronous call as an example
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[05:47] zeunix: quick question: do synchronous methods block the entire script execution, even those outside of an http server instance?
[05:47] chjj: anything async couldve been used in place of process.nextTick there
[05:48] vikstrous: chjj: oh alright thanks
[05:48] chjj: zeunix: yeah, node is one thread, if something blocks, it blocks the entire process
[05:48] zeunix: assumed as much, great thanks!
[05:48] vikstrous: chjj: that code is actually perfect for what i need
[05:48] chjj: good :)
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[05:50] nerdfunk: tonymilne: I'm one, but live in tokyo ;)
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[05:51] Tobsn: does anyone have a working node.js init script?
[05:51] chjj: nerdfunk: dont worry i wouldve left australia too ;p
[05:51] Tobsn: for debian
[05:51] nerdfunk: ah. something in the news ?
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[05:51] chjj: nah just joking
[05:51] chjj: lol
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[05:51] pyrotechnick: *dreams of porting cucumber to node*
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[05:53] towski: ah so my setInterval calls weren't letting the process exit. Is there a way to clear those? or hints toward a better way
[05:53] pyrotechnick: clearInterval
[05:53] pyrotechnick: setInterval returns a handle to the interval
[05:53] pyrotechnick: store that
[05:53] pyrotechnick: and use clearInterval to remove it
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[05:54] pyrotechnick: clearInterval(setInterval()) will make one then destroy it for instance
[05:54] towski: pyrotechnick: awesome thanks 
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[05:54] pyrotechnick: you're welcome
[05:55] techwraith: towski: var interval = setInterval(func, 3000); clearInterval(interval);
[05:55] pyrotechnick: ...
[05:55] nerdfunk: clearInterval(setInterval(clearInterval(setInterval())))
[05:55] towski: no points awarded
[05:55] techwraith: nerdfunk: lol
[05:55] pyrotechnick: some people
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[05:56] techwraith: I just thought it was more clear that way ;)
[05:57] pyrotechnick: im sure he knows how to assign
[05:57] techwraith: Most likely :)
[05:58] pyrotechnick: no i am certain
[05:58] pyrotechnick: more than likely
[05:58] pyrotechnick: beyond any doubt
[05:58] techwraith: :P
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[05:58] pyrotechnick: it looks like there's a v8 driver for cucumber hot damn
[06:00] jhurliman: anyone have experience with <https://github.com/mikeal/request>? is that the generally preferred library for http(s) requests or is there another one i should be looking at?
[06:00] pyrotechnick: that's fine
[06:00] pyrotechnick: if you're doing restful stuff there's probably a more suitable one
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[06:01] pyrotechnick: but that'll get you out of trouble
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[06:01] pyrotechnick: techwraith: care to rephrase my answer? 
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[06:02] techwraith: pyrotechnick: lol
[06:02] pyrotechnick: ahh im just trollin bro
[06:02] pyrotechnick: im angry that there's no cucumber in node yet
[06:02] techwraith: cucumber?
[06:02] pyrotechnick: tests written in english
[06:02] pyrotechnick: with regex matchers
[06:02] techwraith: oh, right
[06:02] pyrotechnick: and inline fixtures and stuff as tables
[06:03] techwraith: http://cukes.info/ right/
[06:03] techwraith: ?
[06:03] pyrotechnick: http://cukes.info/
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[06:03] pyrotechnick: yes
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[06:06] jhurliman: pyrotechnick, thanks
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[06:14] nerdfunk: wow.
[06:14] nerdfunk: getting somewhere.. finally.
[06:14] nerdfunk: haha
[06:16] jhurliman: pyrotechnick, any idea how to use the pool options for the request library? we make external requests to two sites (youtube and facebook) and i'd like to use separate pools for each external site
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[06:17] tonymilne: why do you need to pool your requests to them?
[06:17] tonymilne: i would have thought pooling saved your own resource, eg. database.
[06:17] tonymilne: because database cant handle more than x connections.
[06:17] jhurliman: tonymilne, the documentation says it will pool whether i like it or not, using node's default pool which has maxSockets set to 5 in node 0.4.7
[06:17] tonymilne: ah, ok.
[06:18] jhurliman: and then defines the relevant options for request as: "pool - A hash object containing the agents for these requests." and "pool.maxSockets - Integer containing the maximum amount of sockets in the pool."
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[06:19] pyrotechnick: i think it means a pool of request objects not a queue of requests
[06:20] Tobsn: can anyone tell me why npm install express -g cant be found by node?
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[06:20] isaacs: Tobsn: because you install locally the things you need locally
[06:20] isaacs: Tobsn: or use npm link
[06:20] Tobsn: well i cant in this case
[06:20] isaacs: `npm link express` to link it into the project folder.
[06:20] isaacs: why can't you?
[06:20] Tobsn: because its an image
[06:20] isaacs: are you developing in a folder you don't have write access to? ;P
[06:21] Tobsn: why doesnt it find that fucking folder?
[06:21] Tobsn: i tried everything
[06:21] Tobsn: drives me nuts
[06:21] isaacs: Tobsn: you have not tried everything.  it is outside of the require() path to try to make you not do exactly what you're trying to do.
[06:21] isaacs: but it's trivial to circumvent.  either use link, which is the preferred option, or just set the NODE_PATH properly.
[06:21] Tobsn: fack.
[06:21] isaacs: but we want you to feel like yor'e doing something outside the golden path.
[06:21] isaacs: because you are.
[06:22] Tobsn: well what is node path exactly, /usr/local/lib/node_modules ?
[06:22] isaacs: no, that's where npm puts global things
[06:22] Tobsn: wtf...
[06:22] isaacs: but you could set the NODE_PATH environ to include that folder, and then it'd find them.
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[06:22] Tobsn: so to what do i have to set it?
[06:22] isaacs: you are supposed to install locally the things you need to require() locally.
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[06:23] isaacs: Tobsn: http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=environment+variables
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[06:23] Tobsn: i know how that stuff works
[06:23] isaacs: ok
[06:23] Tobsn: im just wondering what node_path is
[06:23] Tobsn: is it the /module folder?
[06:23] isaacs: scroll up a ffew lines
[06:23] Tobsn: and why is there lib/node and lib/node_modules
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[06:24] Tobsn: this part really gets me so annoyed... i cant tell you how...
[06:24] isaacs: because lib/node is where node puts a few items (nodewaf) and where it looks for modules by default.
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[06:24] isaacs: i'm trying to explain to you that there is an easy path here.
[06:24] Tobsn: btw. i also want a working init.d script for node... every single one out there isnt working or made by someone who just copied the skeleton
[06:25] isaacs: 3 options:  1. install express locally.  2. use npm link to create a local symlink to the global express.  3. (not recommended by anyone) add /usr/local/lib/node_modules to your NODE_PATH environ
[06:25] isaacs: btw, that sounds like you just volunteered to write an init.d script for node ;)
[06:25] isaacs: i'm looking forward to it.
[06:25] Tobsn: erm no
[06:25] Tobsn: i tried for like 2 hours now
[06:26] Tobsn: and im close to smash my imacs screen
[06:26] Tobsn: and i love my imac.
[06:26] tonymilne: what are you putting in it?
[06:26] isaacs: you seem quite rageful.
[06:26] Tobsn: yep
[06:26] isaacs: at the moment, i mean.
[06:26] Tobsn: yep
[06:26] isaacs: normally i have seen you to be a relatively nice fellow, iirc.
[06:26] Tobsn: i am
[06:26] Tobsn: i just get super annoyed if things just dont work how i want it :P
[06:26] isaacs: you should maybe go for a walk.  pet a kitty or something.
[06:26] Tobsn: hehe
[06:27] isaacs: :)
[06:27] Tobsn: the problem with the startup script is that i cant get an error back... if its not starting it still reports a start
[06:27] pyrotechnick: FYI - https://github.com/noblesamurai/cucumis
[06:27] isaacs: i really would suggest trying to see the beauty in local npm installs.
[06:27] pyrotechnick: there is a cucumber parser and testing framework
[06:27] isaacs: if it is simply not an option for some unforeseen reason, there is the NODE_PATH environment var option.
[06:28] jhurliman: (btw, peeking at the source for the request library revealed an undocumented feature. setting pool: false in the options disables connection pooling entirely for a request)
[06:28] isaacs: but that's dirty.  if you have to do this, it'd be good to really have a nice long soak on why it is that it appears necessary.
[06:28] isaacs: isolation is a good thing in code.
[06:30] Tobsn: hmm yeah
[06:30] Tobsn: problem is that the app is serving a tracking system right now that generates around 120k in profit right now
[06:30] Tobsn: per day
[06:30] Tobsn: and we try to move it into the cloud
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[06:30] Tobsn: and shit is breaking left and right cause TJ cant seem to keep function names the same between express versions
[06:30] Tobsn: and other funny stuff
[06:31] Tobsn: which is very unpleasant.
[06:31] ChrisPartridge: SubStack: ping
[06:31] tim_smart: Welcome to new and changing software :)
[06:31] tim_smart: Getting more stable though
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[06:34] Tobsn: seriously, im most pissed off that there is no init.d script for node
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[06:35] tim_smart: Tobsn: What OS does your server run?
[06:35] Tobsn: debian
[06:35] tim_smart: OK. Does debian come with upstart these days?
[06:36] Tobsn: of course not
[06:36] Tobsn: and you cant just switch or run them both
[06:36] tim_smart: Ubuntu uses both?
[06:36] Tobsn: and im not using ubuntu cause those boxes arent desktop machines.
[06:36] Tobsn: :P
[06:37] tim_smart: ubuntu-server rather
[06:37] Tobsn: what amazes me the most is that nobody came up with a working init.d solution
[06:37] Tobsn: how do people deploy node?
[06:37] Tobsn: or is everyone using ubuntu?!
[06:37] tim_smart: With other monitoring tools
[06:37] tim_smart: nodejitsu uses forever or something
[06:37] Tobsn: oh
[06:37] tonymilne: init + monit on ubuntu. ;)
[06:37] vikstrous: chjj: I have a funny thing that's going on now... each function that's called async is supposed to make a modification to an object, but only the last modification remains when the loop is over... why?
[06:38] Tobsn: could i use monit without an init script?
[06:38] Tobsn: tim_smart, thats all bananas because you dont want node monitor node
[06:38] tim_smart: Tobsn: Monit is mainly just a tool to ensure no downtime
[06:38] Tobsn: its a tool to monitor a process
[06:38] tim_smart: Tobsn: I agree there
[06:38] tim_smart: That is why I don't use it :)
[06:39] Tobsn: sike.
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[06:39] jhurliman: Tobsn, i was under the impression that most people don't launch node directly, they use one of the wrappers that handles restarting after a crash, alerting, load balancing, or whatever your requirements are
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[06:40] Tobsn: what if you restart your box?
[06:40] tim_smart: jhurliman: Yes, but he wants to know what such 'wrappers' are
[06:40] Tobsn: what if you have 40 cloud servers and you restart them all
[06:40] Tobsn: how is it coming back?
[06:40] Tobsn: i know what wrappers are out there, i still want a init script
[06:40] jhurliman: ahh. i'm only familiar with monit right now, but have been browsing for other options too
[06:41] jhurliman: monit has an init script at least
[06:41] tim_smart: Monit can exec a script on system reboot
[06:41] tim_smart: Or you can have it make an http request to the intended port, and if the server is down, restart etc
[06:42] jhurliman: i use the latter. no need to explicitly run anything on startup. if monit is running and it detects that node is not running, it will start it
[06:43] Tobsn: nevermind, got it working with monit without init script
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[06:43] tim_smart: :)
[06:44] vikstrous: can someone take a look at this? the problem i'm having is that after a for loop executes a number of async functions, it calls render_response and passes it the variable "data". However, it only has the last modification made by the last function to terminate
[06:44] vikstrous: http://pastebay.com/122843
[06:45] vikstrous: it's probably a coffeescript problem :(
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[06:46] tim_smart: vikstrous: You will to have a closure to wrap the data and i variables.
[06:47] vikstrous: tim_smart: What does that mean? How do I do that?
[06:47] tim_smart: The classic case in async code where the loop finishes iterating before the callback is called
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[06:48] alcuadrado: Hi there! anyone has used formidable?
[06:48] alcuadrado: I'm in doubt about kind of errors can the parse's callback receive 
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[06:50] tim_smart: vikstrous: https://gist.github.com/64073f5bdee248c6e53e
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[06:50] tim_smart: or...
[06:51] SubStack: ChrisPartridge: pong
[06:51] mtduv: :q
[06:51] tim_smart: vikstrous: https://gist.github.com/2ab0e95295f12e863bc1
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[06:53] ChrisPartridge: SubStack: Is there anyway to pass opts to dnode.listen to include more packages to bundle with browserify?
[06:55] vikstrous: tim_smart: Wow. Thanks! That worked!
[06:55] vikstrous: I'll figure out later when it's not 3 am
[06:55] vikstrous: why it did
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[07:12] SubStack: ChrisPartridge: just do this https://github.com/substack/dnode/tree/master/examples/web-browserify
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[07:22] ChrisPartridge: SubStack: Ah, so if it's already mounted it won't do it inside dnode?
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[07:26] ChrisPartridge: Woohoo, works a treat - express, dnode and smoothie charts for win
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[07:31] akume: i'm having a problem and any assistance would be helpful.  i'm running a node server locally on port :3001 but when i go to the browser, the page isn't getting loaded up.  i tried reinstalling node to no avail, any other options i should look into?
[07:32] akume: also, when i do a 'lsof -i :3001' the node server is running
[07:33] akume: the name says "*.redwood-broker"
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[07:34] mjr_: mjr:~$ grep 3001 /etc/services 
[07:34] mjr_: redwood-broker  3001/udp    # Redwood Broker
[07:34] mjr_: That's what port 3001 is commonly known as.
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[07:35] akume: so i should take it off port 3001?
[07:36] mjr_: Oh, 3001 is probably fine
[07:36] akume: ok
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[07:36] mjr_: best to add logging to your program at each step of the way, and if that doesn't reveal the cause, then run a packet sniffer.
[07:36] mjr_: Like http_trace or tcpdump.
[07:37] akume: i also noticed i get a ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE on chrome
[07:38] mjr_: Can you gist your server code?
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[07:38] akume: ok
[07:38] akume: one sec
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[07:41] akume: https://gist.github.com/2a999b4d5d7f2dcddb29
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[07:42] mjr_: what's ./controllers/index_controller.js
[07:43] akume: just organized my code in an mvc fashion
[07:44] akume: index_controller for the first landing page
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[07:45] akume: it essentially just renders the index view
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[07:48] Tobsn: anyone an idea why monit cant start forever?
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[07:51] [AD]Turbo: hi there
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[07:52] Mar4ne1: hello all
[07:52] akume: @ tobsn have you tried autorestart
[07:52] Tobsn: hmm?
[07:52] Tobsn: forever?
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[07:53] akume: you want something to restart everytime you make a change correct
[07:53] Tobsn: no
[07:54] Tobsn: i can run forever start /script.js - works
[07:54] Tobsn: i can run node script.js - works
[07:54] Tobsn: i can run curl localhost and it will return something
[07:54] Tobsn: but i cant check with monit if on localhost 80 / is there or not and stop/start forever or node
[07:55] akume: oh, i'm not sure about that
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[07:55] akume: sorry
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[07:56] industrial: With cloud9 I can't change themes, show invisibles etc. These menu items do nothing atm for me :S
[07:56] industrial: (local)
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[07:58] akume: have you tried aptana as an ide?
[07:59] industrial: I'm a long time Vim user always looking for something new. I've used most IDE's over time but right now my job doesn't really require an IDE
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[08:00] industrial: well, more like the framework I'm coding with (CakePHP) at the job won't have good IDE support because IDE's won't be able to do completions etc on the code.
[08:00] akume: gotcha
[08:01] industrial: I'm secretly hoping for cloud9 to have a vim plug or something
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[08:02] akume: well i'ma try another restart on this computer and hopefully node will get back to it's senses and give the browser a response
[08:02] industrial: vim is becoming very very old, and I don't agree with backwards compatibility coding :P You should do that with big corporate software that just needs to keep running a bit longer, not with your main tool for producing code that _could_ be the awesomest thing evarrr :P
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[08:03] industrial: the whole plugin system and language (vimscript) sucks ass basically
[08:03] industrial: by default, even the indenting for all HTML doesn't work in any PHP file >: |
[08:03] industrial: </vent>
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[08:10] `3rdEden: Tobsn: I have no issues with monit & forever ._.
[08:11] Tobsn: conf please!
[08:11] Tobsn: im trying since forever
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[08:11] Tobsn: do you have anything special set?
[08:11] `3rdEden: Tobsn: I just created a special init.d script for it
[08:11] `3rdEden: to start & stop servers
[08:11] Tobsn: can you pastebin?
[08:11] Tobsn: pleeeease
[08:11] Tobsn: i just build two simple script too and it didnt work
[08:12] `3rdEden: Tobsn: pastebin, srsly?
[08:12] `3rdEden: gist YO@
[08:12] Tobsn: gist
[08:12] Tobsn: whatever ;)
[08:12] sikker: I use dependency injection to give "fs" and "sys" to my libraries, rather than require() them inside the library, in order to accomodate reusability and unit testing. is this overkill? should I just, in other contexts, spoof require()?
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[08:12] `3rdEden: Tobsn: got to search access to the server :$
[08:12] Tobsn: i thought its the PATH variable so im setting that in the init script but thats not it
[08:12] Tobsn: also added the nodepath
[08:13] Tobsn: but didnt work either
[08:13] Tobsn: it sjust not coming up
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[08:13] Tobsn: everything works when i do it manually but not if monit does it
[08:14] `3rdEden: Tobsn: still searching! :$
[08:14] Tobsn: :)
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[08:14] `3rdEden: aaaah
[08:15] Tobsn: yeah its not starting
[08:15] Tobsn: and nothing in the logs
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[08:16] `3rdEden: Found it, stripping out our dedicated codez
[08:16] `3rdEden: so gimma min
[08:16] `3rdEden: FFS
[08:16] Tobsn: :D
[08:16] `3rdEden: I just closed the gist -_-
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[08:18] `3rdEden: Tobsn: https://gist.github.com/964088
[08:19] `3rdEden: and my server.js just provides a /ping url so I can monitor it without having to do nasty database lookups
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[08:23] Tobsn: nope
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[08:23] Tobsn: not working
[08:24] Tobsn: [UTC May 10 08:23:34] info     : 'forever' start: /etc/init.d/forever
[08:24] Tobsn: just says that and nothing happens
[08:25] `3rdEden: wtf :D
[08:25] `3rdEden: Do you have forever in /usr/local/bin/forever
[08:26] `3rdEden: gist your monitrc
[08:27] Tobsn: yep
[08:27] Tobsn: all there
[08:27] Tobsn: monitrc is default
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[08:28] Tobsn: only settings ON in the monitrc are
[08:28] Tobsn: set daemon  120           # check services at 2-minute intervals
[08:28] Tobsn:      with start delay 10  # optional: delay the first check by 4-minutes (by
[08:28] Tobsn: and
[08:28] Tobsn: include /etc/monit/conf.d/*
[08:28] Tobsn: yep its not working
[08:28] Tobsn: wtf.
[08:28] Tobsn: drives me nuts
[08:28] `3rdEden: wtf
[08:29] `3rdEden: and you changed the ports & address as well in the monit rc shizzle i gisted?
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[08:29] Tobsn: yep
[08:29] Tobsn: all changed
[08:29] Tobsn: [UTC May 10 08:27:28] error    : 'forever' failed, cannot open a connection to INET[localhost:80] via TCP
[08:29] Tobsn: [UTC May 10 08:27:28] info     : 'forever' trying to restart
[08:29] Tobsn: [UTC May 10 08:27:28] info     : 'forever' stop: /etc/init.d/forever
[08:29] Tobsn: [UTC May 10 08:27:28] info     : 'forever' start: /etc/init.d/forever
[08:29] Tobsn: but nothing happens
[08:29] `3rdEden: odddd
[08:30] `3rdEden: Do you see a monit health check inside your node app?
[08:31] Tobsn: hu?
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[08:33] `3rdEden: Well monit does a HTTP request to your node application
[08:33] `3rdEden: To check if it's still alive
[08:33] Tobsn: i straced the process
[08:34] `3rdEden: geek.
[08:34] `3rdEden: :D
[08:34] Tobsn: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=dzjjgiVd
[08:34] `3rdEden: I don't speak strace ;(
[08:35] `3rdEden: maybe you have a typo?
[08:35] `3rdEden: access("/etc/init.d/foreverstop", X_OK) = 0
[08:35] Tobsn: hu?
[08:35] `3rdEden: shouldn't that be /etc/init.d/forever stop?
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[08:37] Tobsn: ah thats the old one i still had in there
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[08:37] Tobsn: i got into monit how monit would start the process
[08:37] Tobsn: sudo su and castrated env
[08:37] Tobsn: and if i call the startup script its executing with no error but there is nothing in the process list
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[08:38] `3rdEden: have you verified if your `forever` works in /etc/init.d as expected?
[08:38] Tobsn: yep
[08:38] Tobsn: if i call it myself it works
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[08:39] Tobsn: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=N8HVgr1x
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[08:39] `3rdEden: how od you start your monit?
[08:39] `3rdEden: with or without sudo
[08:39] Tobsn: without
[08:39] Tobsn: its a debian box
[08:39] Tobsn: im on it as root
[08:39] `3rdEden: I'm also on debian
[08:40] Tobsn: ha
[08:40] xsyn: Can I ask a bit of a noob question?
[08:40] Tobsn: i kept pressing ps aux
[08:41] Tobsn: and for a second i saw this:
[08:41] xsyn: I'm struggling with my routes
[08:41] Tobsn: root      3525  0.0  0.0   4000   556 ?        S    08:40   0:00 /bin/sh /etc/init.d/forever stop
[08:41] Tobsn: root      3527  0.0  1.4 630548 14556 ?        R    08:40   0:00 node /usr/local/bin/forever stop /www/app/app.js
[08:41] Tobsn: root      3528  0.0  0.0   4000   556 ?        S    08:40   0:00 /bin/sh /etc/init.d/forever start
[08:41] Tobsn: root      3529  0.0  1.4 630612 14624 ?        R    08:40   0:00 node /usr/local/bin/forever start /www/app/app.js
[08:41] xsyn: I've got a route that works
[08:41] xsyn: ala app.get('/dreams.:format?', function(req, res){
[08:41] xsyn: but now I'm trying to add a route
[08:41] `3rdEden: Tobsn: that looks like a working process to me
[08:41] xsyn: app.get('dreams/new', function(req, res) {
[08:41] Tobsn: its only there for a second and it calls start and stop at the same time
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[08:42] xsyn: and I'm being told I can't GET it
[08:42] xsyn: is there something special I need to do for subroutes?
[08:42] Tobsn: why would monit call both?!
[08:42] `3rdEden: Tobsn: for a restart, it needs to verify that it's stopped first
[08:43] `3rdEden: thats why it does a stop before a start
[08:43] Tobsn: but its not starting it then
[08:43] `3rdEden: it is according to your ps output `/bin/sh /etc/init.d/forever start`
[08:44] Tobsn: that works
[08:44] Tobsn: if i run it
[08:44] `3rdEden: maybe pipe the output to a file
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[08:44] `3rdEden: lik$DAEMON start blablablba.js >> startoutput.log
[08:45] Tobsn: this is just insane
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[08:46] chjj: wow, Object.defineProperty is killing performance in this benchmark i wrote
[08:46] Tobsn: well that just outputs what forever outputs
[08:46] `3rdEden: yeh, it works fine here ;!
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[08:46] Tobsn: # tail -f /var/log/forever.log
[08:46] Tobsn: info: Running action: start
[08:46] Tobsn: info: Forever processing file:
[08:46] Tobsn: nothing else
[08:47] `3rdEden: does your app crash?
[08:47] `3rdEden: or anything else
[08:47] Tobsn: i dont know
[08:47] Tobsn: how would i? hehe
[08:47] `3rdEden: because the script seems to be doing it job by the looks of it
[08:47] `3rdEden: tail the forever log in the tmp dir?
[08:48] chjj: i was trying to see if a linked list would actually be worthwhile in javascript, i do Object.defineProperty(obj, 'next', ...) with a reference to the next object in the list, bam, performance drops like crazy
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[08:48] chjj: with a regular enumarable property its great though
[08:48] Tobsn: there is nothing in the forever log file
[08:49] Tobsn: coming from forever itself
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[08:49] Tobsn: wow.
[08:49] Tobsn: today i learned to hate node.
[08:49] Tobsn: ;)
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[08:50] chjj: nonsense
[08:51] Tobsn: yep, added -l -o -e to forever
[08:51] Tobsn: no output whatsoever
[08:51] `3rdEden: Tobsn: because you fail it doesn't mean that node fails :$
[08:51] `3rdEden: :D
[08:51] Tobsn: well
[08:51] Tobsn: tell me whats wrong
[08:51] Tobsn: or at least how to debug it
[08:52] `3rdEden: the forever instance add logs to /tmp/forever/forever.randomstring.log
[08:52] `3rdEden: with the output of your application
[08:52] `3rdEden: do you see any information there?
[08:52] `3rdEden: have you tried restarting your server? so that monit is started with sudo rights?
[08:53] `3rdEden: does your app require a sudo'd port? like 80 or what ever?
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[08:53] Tobsn: dude
[08:53] Tobsn: hehe
[08:53] Tobsn: ;)
[08:53] Tobsn: i tried like everything
[08:53] Tobsn: yeah it requires 80
[08:54] Tobsn: wait let me try 8080
[08:54] Tobsn: just for the heck of it
[08:54] `3rdEden: 
ACTION waits for it to work

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[08:55] Tobsn: nope
[08:55] Tobsn: same result
[08:55] Tobsn: absolutely nothing
[08:56] `3rdEden: Ok, i give up
[08:57] Tobsn: omg
[08:57] Tobsn: it just started working
[08:57] `3rdEden: ..
[08:57] Tobsn: i have npm global
[08:57] Tobsn: npm link express in the folder solved it
[08:57] Tobsn: wtf.
[08:57] Tobsn: im setting NODE_PATH in the init script
[08:58] `3rdEden: hmzz
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[08:58] Tobsn: PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin
[08:58] Tobsn: NODE_PATH=/usr/local/lib/node_modules
[08:58] `3rdEden: lol ;D
[08:58] Tobsn: hmm?
[08:58] Tobsn: arg
[08:59] `3rdEden: I'm serously starting to hate npm
[08:59] `3rdEden: 1.0*
[08:59] Tobsn: yep
[08:59] Tobsn: isaacs just warned me about it
[08:59] Tobsn: but it sucks
[08:59] Tobsn: i want all global
[09:00] `3rdEden: Global by default was win,
[09:00] `3rdEden: it should be been local optional using npm install -l
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[09:00] `3rdEden: it causes waay to much issues
[09:00] Tobsn: yep
[09:00] Tobsn: exactly what i said
[09:00] Tobsn: -l
[09:01] Tobsn: oaky
[09:01] Tobsn: got it working global
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[09:01] `3rdEden: great
[09:01] Tobsn:         export NODE_PATH=/usr/local/lib/node_modules
[09:01] Tobsn:         $DAEMON start /www/app/app.js
[09:01] Tobsn: fml.
[09:01] Tobsn: 4 hours
[09:01] `3rdEden: 
ACTION updates his gist

[09:01] Tobsn: i think im gonna fork npm with NODE_PATH set by default and no -g but -l
[09:01] Tobsn: ;)
[09:01] `3rdEden: call it `gpm` :D
[09:02] Tobsn: yep
[09:02] mscdex: someone should name a daemonizer for node scripts, "iddqd"
[09:02] Tobsn: gonna do that right now
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[09:03] mscdex: but gpm = mouse server for console apps!
[09:03] mscdex: :p
[09:03] `3rdEden: oh
[09:03] `3rdEden: ;D
[09:03] Tobsn: i dont fucking care
[09:03] Tobsn: they also have monit for node and connect
[09:03] Tobsn: its all already used somewhere
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[09:04] Tobsn: https://github.com/tobsn/gpm
[09:04] Tobsn: har.
[09:06] `3rdEden: :D
[09:06] `3rdEden: besure to make a pull request :$
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[09:07] Tobsn: https://github.com/tobsn/gpm
[09:07] Tobsn: now the readme is perfect.
[09:07] mscdex: oh no, microsoft just bought skype
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[09:08] wao: is it official already?
[09:08] `3rdEden: Tobsn: you don't have a gpmjs.org :D
[09:08] Tobsn: yeah and im not getting it
[09:09] Tobsn: but i have node.gd
[09:09] Tobsn: :P
[09:09] mscdex: wao: yeah
[09:09] mscdex: wao: they're going to announce it tomorrow it looks like
[09:09] mscdex: $8.5b
[09:10] Tobsn: https://github.com/tobsn/gpm
[09:10] Tobsn: hehe.
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[09:13] `3rdEden: omg + watch + watch!
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[09:14] Tobsn: lol
[09:14] Tobsn: 8.5b?
[09:14] Tobsn: lol
[09:15] Tobsn: ebay bought skype for 2b or something
[09:15] Tobsn: and they couldnt make anything out of it
[09:15] Tobsn: wow... microsoft really cant figure out the online market
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[09:17] Tobsn: Last year, Skype had revenue of $860 million on which it posted an operating profit of $264 million. However, it overall made a small loss, of $7 million, and had long-term debt of $686 million. A $7 billion purchase price would represent a huge premium over the $3-4 billion conjectured in the Facebook and Google deals.
[09:17] Tobsn: lol.
[09:18] Tobsn: thats like valuating facebook at i dont know how many billion while they're making 200m in profit
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[09:22] `3rdEden: Microsoft probably hopes that Skype has pattents to some voip so they can sue google over google voice :$
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[09:24] Tobsn: lol
[09:24] Tobsn: maybe
[09:25] `3rdEden: OMG WEBGL HAXORSS YOUR COMPUT0RS DISABLE!! it alllll <-- nutshell version of  http://bit.ly/mInx08
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[09:27] Tobsn: is that like the crazy chrome pwnage hack from yesterday?
[09:27] Tobsn: which only works on windows? ;)
[09:27] `3rdEden: idk :?
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[09:27] nexxy: and only through flash?
[09:27] Tobsn: you didnt see that?
[09:27] `3rdEden: I wasn't even awre of a hack
[09:27] `3rdEden: Chrome is just stupid to bundle flash by default
[09:28] Tobsn: http://www.vupen.com/demos/VUPEN_Pwning_Chrome.php
[09:28] Tobsn: there ya go
[09:28] `3rdEden: 
ACTION opens it in chrome

[09:28] Tobsn: its not flash
[09:28] nexxy: mhmm
[09:29] Tobsn: well,  its windows, im not impressed nor surprised.
[09:29] Tobsn: if they wouldve done it cross platform
[09:29] Tobsn: that would be fun
[09:29] Tobsn: i would silent install a botnet on chrome users :P
[09:29] Tobsn: by now.
[09:29] Tobsn: :P
[09:30] nexxy: that says a lot about your character
[09:30] `3rdEden: Tobsn secretly leads AnonOps
[09:30] nexxy: LOL
[09:30] nexxy: I happen to know for a fact
[09:30] nexxy: that you don't ;3
[09:31] nexxy: topiary thinks he does ;P
[09:31] Tobsn: no comment.
[09:31] nexxy: ;3
[09:31] Tobsn: all i have to say is that i dont own a playstation.
[09:31] nexxy: that's in your best interest!
[09:32] Tobsn: im setting up a google alert now for "pippa black naked"
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[09:34] Tobsn: i wonder why google stopped google notebook
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[09:43] eldios: because it was not $$$ enough (and btw they were doing it wrong)
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[09:47] `3rdEden|stuff: <-- gonna do some stuff
[09:47] nexxy: <-- gonna keep sitting here typing and staring
[09:47] `3rdEden|stuff: like 90% of the users are going here
[09:47] `3rdEden|stuff: 
ACTION waves

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[10:42] Mar4ne1: Hello everyone
[10:42] Mar4ne1: I'm a relatively recent node.js developer
[10:42] Mar4ne1: and I was looking for a bit of assistance
[10:43] squeeks: just ask.
[10:43] Mar4ne1: I've developed an instant messaging system (using node.js and Socket.io)
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[10:43] Mar4ne1: and now i'm securing my site using SSL
[10:43] Mar4ne1: however, WebSocket isn't secured on that server running node.js
[10:43] `3rdEden|stuff: (set the option secure:true in socket.io's clientside constructor)
[10:44] Mar4ne1: how do i specify the certs
[10:44] `3rdEden|stuff: o
[10:44] Mar4ne1: o?
[10:44] Emmanuel__: o.
[10:44] `3rdEden|stuff:  /me googles
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[10:44] Mar4ne1: ^^ as above :P
[10:44] `3rdEden|stuff: socket.io used to have an ssl example
[10:45] `3rdEden|stuff: but with the 0.7 release rauchg also cleared the complete repo history
[10:45] Mar4ne1: they changed the HTTP moduel i think
[10:45] `3rdEden|stuff: yay for forks
[10:45] `3rdEden|stuff: https://github.com/Hotelsnl/Socket.IO-node/blob/master/example/server-ssl.js
[10:45] `3rdEden|stuff: does that help?
[10:45] Mar4ne1: looking now :D
[10:46] `3rdEden|stuff: and the ssl enabled client: https://github.com/Hotelsnl/Socket.IO-node/blob/master/example/chat-ssl.html
[10:46] bruse: forks.. or git history? :P
[10:48] Mar4ne1: m thanks a heap 3rdEden :)
[10:48] Mar4ne1: i'm going to spend some time going through this, see if i can integrate it
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[10:55] Jalava: I wonder if there exists project that works similarily to express-resource but allows commands to resources
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[10:56] Jalava: like /resource/:id/dosomething/paramA/:value/paramB/:value
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[10:59] roman____: mscdex, got a sec? Having a few problems with node-oscar.
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[11:27] tmedema: Anyone has a clue on why flash could potentially cause a ECONNRESET error? http://groups.google.com/group/nodejs/browse_thread/thread/c6beb0e43cb61c1b#
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[11:31] squeeks: Still having fun with it eh?
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[11:34] jetienne: q. is there another tool like inliner ?
[11:34] `3rdEden|stuff: depends on what inliner does
[11:34] jetienne: https://github.com/remy/inliner
[11:34] jetienne: `3rdEden: in short, it takes an url and convert that in single html file, and pack it
[11:35] `3rdEden: yeh i read the readme ;)
[11:35] jetienne: `3rdEden: nice tool, i was using it for packaging webapp. but it is buggy and fails to output anything now
[11:35] `3rdEden: trying to remember fo zakas or stroyan did something like.. (from yahoo)
[11:36] jetienne: `3rdEden: those are github usernames ?
[11:37] `3rdEden: i'm talking about http://www.nczonline.net/blog/about/ and http://phpied.com/
[11:39] jetienne: `3rdEden: thanks i will look
[11:39] `3rdEden: https://github.com/nzakas/ https://github.com/nzakas/
[11:39] `3rdEden: nzakas has cssembed.. but thats about it :$
[11:40] jetienne: `3rdEden: hmm ok
[11:41] jetienne: `3rdEden: how do you package your webapp ?
[11:41] jetienne: any alternative ?
[11:41] `3rdEden: custom code base
[11:42] jetienne: this is what i had before
[11:42] `3rdEden: So I don't have to "package" anything, it's automagically generated by our hooks :)
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[11:44] sendark: error: CastError: Cast to undefined failed for value "undefined"
[11:44] sendark: anyone familiar with this mongoose error?
[11:46] `3rdEden: https://github.com/LearnBoost/mongoose/issues/201
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[11:46] sendark: cheers `3rdEden 
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[11:46] `3rdEden: My amazing google powers saved the day once again D:
[11:46] sendark: hehe
[11:47] sendark: so i'm i just meant to define the object somewhere else in my schema?
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[11:54] sendark: TypeError: Object #<model> has no method 'update' ? jesus now it's broken.
[11:54] sendark: and its lunchtime
[11:54] sendark: DAMN
[11:54] sendark: hehe
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[11:59] `3rdEden: mmm lunch good idea sendark
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[12:11] Mar4ne1: Hi guys, is there a dedicated socket.io irc channel? I can't seem to find any references online
[12:11] Mar4ne1: I'm trying to setup a secured, socket.io, node server
[12:12] Mar4ne1: however, after using this basic documentation http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.1/api/tls.html#tLS_
[12:12] Mar4ne1: i'm unable to attach a socket.io listener to the created tls server
[12:12] Mar4ne1: any thoughts
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[12:16] matwill: Mar4nel: not an answer but have you looked at the socket.io Google Group?
[12:17] matwill: Its pretty active and I think Guillermo Rauch (The creator) frequents it, though not sure.
[12:17] Mar4ne1: thanks man searching now
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[12:23] `3rdEden: Mar4ne1: also feel free to ping me with your issues, I'm also one of the maintainers of Socket.IO
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[12:51] [algo]: which promises you use for node.js ?
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[13:00] malkomalko: anybody seen this with express? "Can't use mutable header APIs after sent"
[13:01] sendark: nope
[13:01] sendark: anyone familiar with mongoose
[13:02] mape: malkomalko: are you trying to modify the request after sending it?
[13:02] mape: writing or whatnot
[13:02] sendark: error: TypeError: Object.keys called on non-object
[13:03] malkomalko: I have a controller, that internally calls another http to stream data into a file, then callback when done
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[13:03] sendark: anyone famiar with that error when doing object.save()?
[13:03] malkomalko: is it because on the http request I'm making behind my controller I'm setting the headers on that request?
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[13:13] matwill: Hey are there many nodeconf session videos online?
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[13:14] mape: are there any?
[13:15] matwill: I've found some slides. 
[13:16] matwill: I remember reading something about a page of videos from nodeconf, on HN, but I can't find that particular comment.
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[13:21] xsyn: I'm really struggling to get my head around findById with mongoose and mongo
[13:21] xsyn: I've set up my model
[13:21] xsyn: I've added a getter that converts the id to a HexString
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[13:22] xsyn: I can check my ID in both the db, and through my node app
[13:22] xsyn: and they're cool
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[13:22] xsyn: but when I run myModel.findById(id, function(d){
[13:22] xsyn: d is always undefined
[13:23] xsyn: Has anybody experienced this?
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[13:25] ajoslin103: has anyone used v8-gl yet?
[13:25] boghog: what's that?
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[13:27] ajoslin103: I'm trying to draw png's in node (and have with node-canvas) but I need to do some texture mapping and the 3d math is beyond me.  v8-gl is a module for web-gl (opengl) -- I'll use anything that will do the 3d work for me !!
[13:27] ajoslin103: I can create the image I need, but now I have to map it onto a 3d surface (inside of a cylinder) and I'm stuck !!
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[13:31] tiemonster: In EJS, why does <% if (twitter) { %><%- twitter %><% } %> fail with "twitter is not defined" ???
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[13:34] `3rdEden: because ejs uses with to introduce locals
[13:34] `3rdEden: 
ACTION thinks

[13:35] `3rdEden: but!
[13:35] `3rdEden: what you can do tiemonster is
[13:35] `3rdEden: <% if (locals.twitter) { %><%- twitter %><% } %>
[13:35] `3rdEden: that should work
[13:35] tiemonster: twitter is a "helper"
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[13:36] zhe: hi
[13:36] `3rdEden: tiemonster: just try it ;o
[13:36] sendark: anyone know about unique indices in embedded documents?
[13:38] tiemonster: `3rdEden: yeah - then it never exists
[13:38] Opaque: Anyone know how to set your own objectid in mongoose?
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[13:39] `3rdEden: tiemonster: that's because it was not defined in the first place
[13:39] tiemonster: but after I do define the helper, it still doesn't show up
[13:39] `3rdEden: your `twitter` is probably undefined than
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[13:40] tiemonster: I'll just use twitter, and ensure the helper is defined first
[13:40] ajoslin103: does anyone know if I can run openGL or webGL on nodejs without XWindows
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[13:43] sendark: Opaque yeah new Objectid?
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[13:44] Opaque: I mean, set the _id field to whatever type I want.
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[13:52] Opaque: Ah, I got it. Something about mongoose wasn't detecting the schema update so it kept creating oid's.
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[14:02] tiemonster: isn't there a way easier way to make buffered HTTP requests in Node? I don't need to stream the data...
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[14:07] bradleymeck: tiemonster, just make an array of buffers, there are some helper libs around
[14:07] bradleymeck: then again generally you want to avoid buffering
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[14:08] tiemonster: I'm fetching my twitter feed, so I want all of the json before I start parsing it...
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[14:11] bradleymeck: tiemonster mmm yea, streaming json parsers can be overkill, but usefull if the object is big enough
[14:13] tiemonster: it's not. I'm looking for a simple backend AJAXy request
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[14:18] `3rdEden: https://github.com/vibornoff/node-yajl <-- streaming json parser
[14:18] `3rdEden: that might help you out tiemonster
[14:19] tiemonster: I thought there was a buffered abstraction in the core API. guess not.
[14:21] chjj: mmm streaming json parser is win
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[14:26] baudehlo1: why do so many JS programmers have this fascination with naming things "_" ?
[14:26] baudehlo1: makes me stabby.
[14:26] mscdex: as a prefix?
[14:26] baudehlo1: no
[14:26] context: no. just _
[14:26] baudehlo1: just _
[14:27] context: baudehlo1: its the hipster movement
[14:27] baudehlo: e.g. the docs for https://github.com/vibornoff/node-yajl
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[14:27] baudehlo: h.on( 'mapKey',     function (_) { console.debug(_+':') });
[14:27] chjj: i dont see that too often
[14:27] baudehlo: was it too much to name it "key" ?
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[14:28] chjj: in a str.replace callback if i dont need a capture ill name it '__'
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[14:28] chjj: i dont see why people would be eager to name things '_', it would get confusing if you wanted to use underscore then
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[14:29] baudehlo: chjj: I see it a bunch in the apis that are supposed to hide the callback style
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[14:29] chjj: you mean streamline? theres actually a good reason for that: its banking on programmers not normally using '_' as a name for a variable actually
[14:30] baudehlo: yes.
[14:30] chjj: thats why its used there, because its *not* normally used
[14:30] chjj: so it wont collide with other variable names
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[14:30] bradleymeck: baudehlo because of streamline.js and underscore.js?
[14:30] baudehlo: that frankly seems like a stupid reason to use it.
[14:30] chjj: why?
[14:31] chjj: you wouldnt want to name it something verbose because it would be as tiring as callbacks are to people who would want to use it
[14:31] baudehlo: chjj: because what happens when another library comes along that is banking on a variable name that isn't being used.
[14:31] chjj: and you wouldnt want to name it something commonly used
[14:31] bradleymeck: then again for throw away variables _ is kinda prolog
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[14:31] chjj: ...
[14:31] telemachus: lua too
[14:31] baudehlo: *shrug* I just prefer being explicit.
[14:31] telemachus: (for throwaways - erlang, too?)
[14:32] baudehlo: I've come from the perl world, and the single letter $ variables always annoy me there too.
[14:32] telemachus: naming sucks
[14:32] systemfault: scala also likes underscores IIRC :P
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[14:32] chjj: $ variables are used in javascript actually, theres a reason for them there
[14:32] chjj: theyre meant for regexes
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[14:34] baudehlo: well they're not variables there. They're more templates.
[14:34] chjj: huh?
[14:35] chjj: theyre variables, well i guess properties/variables
[14:35] baudehlo: they only work inside strings.
[14:35] chjj: no
[14:35] chjj: im talking about the RegExp constructor
[14:35] chjj: RegExp.$1, RegExp.$2, etc
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[14:36] baudehlo: chjj: what are those? There's nothing about them in https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/RegExp
[14:36] context: blink() > *
[14:36] chjj: v8: 'abc'.match(/(b)/); RegExp.$1;
[14:36] v8bot: chjj: "b"
[14:36] chjj: :)
[14:37] baudehlo: oh yuck.
[14:37] baudehlo: lol
[14:37] baudehlo: ah: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Deprecated_Features#RegExp_Properties
[14:37] chjj: very convenient actually, once you get past how sloppy a notion it is
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[14:38] systemfault: The guy who thought to use $ didn't care about the rest of the world it seems.. (Not sure if the dollar sign is on every keyboard layout)
[14:38] chjj: hehe, tell that to the php guys
[14:38] baudehlo: there's a good reason they are deprecated.
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[14:38] systemfault: We should start using the Euro/Yen/something else character :P
[14:38] chjj: yes, but im saying, theyre in the language for a reason, that feature exists in js engines
[14:39] systemfault: Understood :)
[14:39] chjj: @baudehlo
[14:39] bruse: ¤ is the generic currency symbol
[14:39] baudehlo: chjj: but presumably won't be there in the future.
[14:39] bruse: fair for everyone
[14:39] chjj: baudehlo, how can you say that when this is still implemented in JS engines:
[14:39] chjj: v8: 'blink'.blink();
[14:39] v8bot: chjj: "<blink>blink</blink>"
[14:39] chjj: ...
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[14:40] baudehlo: I am presuming that "deprecated" means it will be removed at some point in the future.
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[14:40] chjj: no
[14:40] baudehlo: or perhaps under "use strict";
[14:40] chjj: yes maybe under use strict
[14:40] chjj: thats why use strict is there, in fact, thats a great indicator that these things wont be removed
[14:41] chjj: why do you think
[14:41] chjj: typeof null still returns 'object'?
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[14:41] systemfault: Not that the $ sign is that much of a problem... the lack of block scoping is a much bigger issue to me :'(
[14:41] baudehlo: "still"? lol I learned Javascript as I was writing Haraka (i.e. I've "known" js for about 3 months now).
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[14:42] baudehlo: systemfault: yeah agreed.
[14:42] chjj: systemfault, why?
[14:42] chjj: baudehlo, ok, well typeof null has always returned 'object' and it always will
[14:43] baudehlo: ok. So null is an empty object. Is it a bad thing?
[14:43] chjj: because javascript has to pay very special attention to backward compatibility, because its used in the browser
[14:43] chjj: no, thats my point, null is not an empty object
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[14:43] baudehlo: well I don't mean empty as in {}
[14:43] systemfault: chjj: I use the crockford-style of putting all my variable declarations at the top of the function to avoid any problems.
[14:43] chjj: its not an object, at all, in any sense
[14:44] chjj: typeof null returns 'object' because the first implementations of JS got it wrong
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[14:44] systemfault: chjj: With block-scoping, I could just use my vars where I need them
[14:44] chjj: and they didnt want to change it to break backward compat
[14:44] systemfault: s/use/declare
[14:44] baudehlo: chjj: I guess you need to edumacate me - what should it return?
[14:44] chjj: ideally it should return 'null'
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[14:44] test2: should return null
[14:45] chjj: but no js implementation has ever done that, and they never will, it will never get changed or fixed
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[14:45] test2: null is conceptually correct
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[14:46] chjj: my point is, you say these things are going to be removed from the language, but theyre not
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[14:46] chjj: js will always try to maintain backward compatibility (unfortunately)
[14:46] chjj: unfortunately for us serverside guys anyway
[14:47] baudehlo: I don't say they will be... I just assumed that's what deprecated meant.
[14:48] mikegerwitz: baudehlo: That's the general use of the term. And if something is deprecated it certainly should be removed. For something like JS, though, that's likely to be decades down the road...
[14:48] mikegerwitz: baudehlo: (but deprecated doesn't necessarily imply removal)
[14:48] chjj: any web language will tons of different implementations in tons of different browsers cant really risk removing stuff
[14:48] chjj: with*
[14:48] chjj: anyway, how did this all start?
[14:49] chjj: oh yeah, variable names
[14:49] baudehlo: lol
[14:49] chjj: i hate camel case variable names
[14:49] chjj: i really do
[14:49] baudehlo: ditto.
[14:49] chjj: but i use them in js
[14:49] baudehlo: it's the crockford style :-(
[14:49] chjj: i actually try to have really concise short variable names, just so i dont have to camel case them
[14:50] chjj: the aesthetics are more important to me
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[14:50] baudehlo: I just use my own style.
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[14:51] systemfault: baudehlo: Same.
[14:51] systemfault: baudehlo: But my style is derived from crockford's
[14:51] chjj: whats crockford style variable names?
[14:51] mikegerwitz: Variable style can be useful. I consistently use snake_case for scalars/objects, camelCase for functions and CamelCase (capital first) for ctors. Can be useful in determining what's going on at a glance if it's consistent.
[14:52] systemfault: chjj: Declare all of them at the beginning of the function.
[14:52] xsyn: Any idea why my numbers aren't being updated in my docs, while my strings are (using mongoose and mongo) ?
[14:52] chjj: mikegerwitz, i do too, but i try not to camelcase if i can
[14:52] systemfault: chjj: Instead of at the moment of their use.
[14:52] chjj: systemfault: oh, i thought you were talking about var names
[14:52] systemfault: Ahh.. no
[14:52] Aikar: in v8 it really doesnt matter, v8 will push them to the top for you on compile
[14:52] systemfault: Well.. camelCase is the standard.
[14:52] systemfault: I don't think anyone can deny it.
[14:53] Aikar: and easier to type :3
[14:53] chjj: systemfault: i actually disagree with crockford on that point, i think its ok to declare "var"s elsewhere as long as you understand that javascript is going to move them to the top of the scope
[14:53] chjj: as long as youre aware
[14:53] Aikar: haet underscores
[14:53] mikegerwitz: Aikar: That's the reason Crockford recommends putting them at the top. Beacuse they'll be pushed to the top and undefined, whcih can cause confusion
[14:53] chjj: its not a problem
[14:53] systemfault: Like chjj said, it's not a problem.
[14:53] systemfault: Because I'm aware of that.
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[14:53] chjj: crockford recommends a lot of stuff that assumes the programmer is very unaware
[14:53] chjj: as if he doesnt trust himself when programming
[14:53] systemfault: But... when you work with other people..
[14:54] systemfault: chjj: I don't trust others...
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[14:54] Aikar: in a world of junior php devs, kinda have to
[14:54] systemfault: It's not about me.
[14:54] context: chjj: you trust yourself?
[14:54] chjj: context: sometimes ;)
[14:54] context: chjj: you've never looked at code you wrote the day before and wanted to shoot yourself?
[14:54] systemfault: context: We're not perfect and we're always improving..
[14:55] context: systemfault: yeah i know ;)
[14:55] chjj: oh i definitely have to a degree, but i can tell you it wasnt because i declared a "var" in the wrong spot
[14:55] context: chjj: but there are those times when you have a slight buzz, and wake up the next day and go 'WOW im a genius'
[14:55] systemfault: But still, the behaviors of JS are pretty well defined in the standard.
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[14:55] systemfault: But a lot of people don't know about them... like hoisting.
[14:55] context: hoisting?
[14:56] chjj: a lot of people understand hoisting but dont understand function statement hoisting
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[14:56] chjj: function statement hoisting is even weirder than var "hoisting"
[14:56] systemfault: context: Yeah.. JS moves the functions and and the variable declarations at the top of the function.
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[14:56] chjj: function statements*
[14:57] systemfault: context: So if you don't understand that, you might get a "undefined" somewhere and it will take you a lot of time to find out why.
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[14:57] chjj: var a = function() {}; "a" gets hoisted and is initialized as "undefined", function a() {} - the entire function gets hoisted
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[14:58] systemfault: So.. by declaring all the variables at the top, you basically avoid the hoisting problem.
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[14:59] chjj: well all you do is make it explicit, that the variables are hoisted there
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[14:59] chjj: its doesnt really do anything at all
[15:00] chjj: i dont like it when i put all the "var"s at the top though, it makes it harder to see where i initially set a variable
[15:00] chjj: harder to see where the first time i set it was
[15:00] context: chjj: so you are saying var a can exist and not exist ?
[15:01] chjj: what?
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[15:01] mikegerwitz: Placing a variable declaration far from where its used is considered bad practice. Unfortunately, it makes sense in JS, but is still messy.
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[15:01] context: its common in C as well to put all variable definitions at the top of a function
[15:02] context: except for like for (int i..)
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[15:02] mikegerwitz: context: Because it was required pre-C99
[15:02] context: mikegerwitz: if your function is that long you need help anyway.
[15:02] chjj: yeah, C is a different beast though
[15:02] mikegerwitz: context: I agree
[15:02] chjj: JS is supposed to be a high level language
[15:02] chjj: not C
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[15:04] coreb1: looking at this example https://github.com/visionmedia/express/blob/master/examples/blog/models/post.js, more specifically var Post = exports = module.exports = function Post(title, body) { .. } what's exports vs module.exports?
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[15:05] mikegerwitz: In C it does make sense though. You can declare a variable without initializing it, which provides useful information. K&R actually does initialize near use in their examples. In JS, declaring a variable without initializing it is possible, but having a bunch of var foo, bar, baz, etc at the top of a function just seems pointless.
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[15:05] mikegerwitz: context: exports = module.exports
[15:05] chjj: coreb1: exports is just a reference to module.exports
[15:05] mikegerwitz: coreb1: *
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[15:05] chjj: its the same object
[15:05] mikegerwitz: coreb1: module.exports is useful if you want to set it to a value other than the initial object, e.g. a ctor
[15:06] chjj: right, it gives you an empty object there to start out with, but you can overwrite it by doing module.exports = myobj;
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[15:06] chjj: exports = myobj wont work because of the way variables work in js
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[15:07] coreb1: chjj: because of scope?
[15:07] chjj: no, just because if you do exports = myobj, its no longer a reference to the module.exports property
[15:07] chjj: youve overwritten it completely
[15:08] tbranyen: yeah, module.exports = exports = {} i think is what it does
[15:08] tbranyen: although that makes me wonder, if you override module.exports, does exports still reference the old object?
[15:08] chjj: yes
[15:08] mikegerwitz: tbranyen: yep
[15:09] chjj: if you want to be sure, you can do module.exports = exports = myobj;
[15:09] mikegerwitz: coreb1: JS doesn't have references, pointers, or anything of the like.
[15:09] icebox: Any problem with npm 1.0.6 and cygwin? I cannot install any package.
[15:09] chjj: haha, JS with pointers, that would be great
[15:09] icebox: icebox: with npm 1.0.1 worked nice.
[15:10] mikegerwitz: chjj: I would fall in love all over again. But yeah it makes no sense in JS, heh
[15:10] chjj: and i dont think it would work, it would be really weird for v8 to implement direct access to pointers
[15:10] coreb1: is "exports" something node.js makes available, like module.exports?
[15:11] chjj: module.exports and exports initially reference the same object
[15:11] chjj: an object you can throw stuff on, exports.myvar = 1;
[15:11] chjj: if you do console.log(module.exports.myvar); youll see "1"
[15:11] mikegerwitz: coreb1: A module is wrapped in a function. So it' sactually something like: ( function( exports, __dirname, __filename, ... ) { /* your code */ } )();
[15:12] chjj: yeah, you get your own little scope when youre inside a module
[15:12] chjj: and you get access to this "module" object
[15:12] mikegerwitz: module, exports *
[15:12] chjj: the exports property exposes whatever you want when the module is required by another module
[15:13] chjj: well technically module, exports, __dirname, __filename, and require are all the arguments passed in
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[15:14] coreb1: alright, but what do you gain by doing this; var Post = exports = module.exports = function Post {..} what's the reason of setting that function to exports?
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[15:15] chjj: cause if you only do module.exports = ...
[15:15] chjj: "exports" still references the original object
[15:15] chjj: need to set that too, its just how variables work in js
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[15:16] coreb1: further down in the file, he does exports.count = function(fn){ - how does "var Post = exports = module.exports = function Post {..} " affect that?
[15:16] stagas: no you don't, exports = module.exports, only if you set exports = func you lose the reference
[15:16] mikegerwitz: coreb1: in that case, just do module.exports = function Post {}, and pretend exports doesn't exist. var Post is redundant as well in v8
[15:17] chjj: stagas: im saying, if you do module.exports = ..., "exports" will still refer to the initial object, not what you set module.exports to
[15:17] chjj: so if you want to just use "exports.whatever" elsewhere, you need to set exports as well
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[15:18] vdemedes: Hello!
[15:18] nphase: anyone have any ideas as to how to debug within vm.runInNewContext() ?
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[15:18] stagas: oh right
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[15:18] nphase: it seems im getting an unexpected identifier error from within the vm, cant figure out what it is
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[15:23] BigWookie: :/ I already asked in #nodejitsu, http-proxy routing tables don't work as expected, the paths in the source are applied to the uri redirected to the destination
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[15:31] xastey: anyone ever got "This type of response MUST NOT have a body. Ignoring write() calls."
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[15:48] mikegerwitz: https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/lib/http.js#L594   might help to paste an example (but no, I have not)
[15:48] mikegerwitz: link to*
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[15:49] DennisRasmussen: What project management tool do you guys use?
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[15:54] sendark: DennisRasmussen: a notebook
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[15:55] sendark: does anybody know why jade might put quotes around a text link i want to put onto one of my partials?
[15:55] mikegerwitz: DennisRasmussen: I used OpenGoo before it was commercialized into FengOffice (which now has a "Community Edition" licensed under the GNU AGPL, which you can download free of charge), and it was pretty good
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[15:56] sendark: i.e. span.text #{user.text} and user.text can contain links, i.e.  when the dogs go <a  href="/home">home</a>. However, this is literally appearing the rendered page, rather than the link
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[15:59] sendark: ok for whomever wants to know, it can be easily done by instead of using #{obj.field} doing !{obj.field}
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[16:04] test2: anyone go to scottish ruby conf this year?
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[16:04] test2: any talk of node there?
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[16:10] squeeks: Yes, there was. And of coffeescript
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[16:10] gf3: NO U
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[16:13] john_teague1: ?
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[16:15] tbranyen: am not digging the client side js community using npm for their modules :-/
[16:15] tbranyen: and if NPM approves of this, they should probably think about changing the name
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[16:15] tjholowaychuk: yeah they should use my asset thing
[16:15] tjholowaychuk: or similar
[16:15] tjholowaychuk: it's more homebrew of random client-side stuff
[16:15] tjholowaychuk: well random assets in general
[16:15] halfhalo: I haaaaate client side ui's
[16:15] tbranyen: tjholowaychuk: dustin diaz has been encouraging peeps to use his ender thing
[16:16] tbranyen: and to push stuff into npm so it can be more useful
[16:16] tjholowaychuk: haha
[16:16] tjholowaychuk: fuck
[16:16] tjholowaychuk: yeah not good
[16:16] tjholowaychuk: god damn mac
[16:16] tjholowaychuk: wont charge
[16:16] halfhalo: if I wanted client side ui's I would stab js in the face first
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[16:18] Opaque: why won't app.get('/user/:id(\d+)' accept numbers :( I've tracked down my problem to this one thing. For some reason, out of nowhere, this req param just starts messing up. I've only now added the regex, but it worked perfectly fine before (for numbers). I added the regex to check it out.
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[16:18] tjholowaychuk: Opaque: \\d+
[16:19] tjholowaychuk: it's a string so you have to double escape those
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[16:19] tjholowaychuk: escape the escape
[16:19] tjholowaychuk: wee
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[16:21] Opaque: Surprisingly that fixed my problem. I say that because nothing has actually changed except for that regex.
[16:21] Opaque: It worked before I added it. Stopped. Then added it and it worked. My problem is arising from Mongoose. It started complaining about not being able to cast the number or something.
[16:22] tjholowaychuk: hm well it shouldn't have worked properly without that
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[16:22] Opaque: Why?
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[16:22] chjj: because \d+ just becomes d+ in a string
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[16:23] tjholowaychuk: because the regexp would be (d+)
[16:23] tjholowaychuk: which doesnt make sense lol
[16:23] Opaque: I meant before the regex was added at all.
[16:23] saschagehlich: is there something like n overview of all modules with their dependencies for npm?
[16:23] tjholowaychuk: ohh
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[16:24] matwill: I vaguely remember an express template engine that relied on DOM manipulation, iirc TJ was involved with it, anyone know what I'm talking about/can link me?
[16:24] tjholowaychuk: hmm nope that wouldn't be me
[16:24] tjholowaychuk: i think that was the nodejitsu guys
[16:25] NinjaFox: o/
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[16:26] tim_smart: Anyone know how to capture the exit code of a command in a shell script?
[16:26] tjholowaychuk: echo $?
[16:27] tim_smart: I'll try that
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[16:27] matwill: TJ, you're right! It was the nodejitsu guys, was called Weld. Cheers
[16:28] matwill: Don't know why I thought it was you, my bad.
[16:28] tim_smart: tjholowaychuk: nope :/
[16:28] tjholowaychuk: tim_smart: hmm
[16:28] tjholowaychuk: should work :s
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[16:29] context: tim_smart: yes. tjholowaychuk is right.
[16:29] context: in sh/bash $? returns the return code of the last command
[16:29] tim_smart: Oh I thought the ? was posed as a question
[16:29] tbranyen: and zsh if that helps :)
[16:29] context: and.. "echo $?" IS a command. and $? will be different afterward.
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[16:30] tim_smart: Thanks context, tjholowaychuk 
[16:30] tjholowaychuk: np
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[16:42] JohnnyL: I asked this before but do you guys normally use CoffeeScript? Or perhaps plan to use it?
[16:43] JohnnyL: I like the class layout, it's pretty sweet. 
[16:43] gf3: NO U
[16:43] tjholowaychuk: no
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[16:43] c4milo: no
[16:44] chjj: no
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[16:44] chjj: dont ever plan to
[16:44] jmar777: what? rumor was that express 2.0 was going to be 100% coffeescript! :p
[16:45] taf2: 
ACTION wipes up the puke from his desk at the thought

[16:45] tbranyen: i use coffeescript every day it makes me more efficient and i almost feel like a real ruby coder
[16:45] gf3: YOU WOULD
[16:45] tbranyen: i'm thinking of becoming a d-bag
[16:45] gf3: 
ACTION points at the nerd

[16:45] tbranyen: gives me goosebumps
[16:45] tbranyen: gf3: :3
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[16:45] jmar777: something intrinsically wrong about something that makes you feel like you're coding in a different language lol
[16:46] systemfault: Coffeescript is not ugly but well.. it isn't JS :/
[16:46] systemfault: Moreover, it's more difficult to debug.
[16:46] JohnnyL: systemfault: good point
[16:46] chjj: people give js too much shit for its syntax
[16:46] taf2: it's syntax is the shit
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[16:46] chjj: its trendy to not like c syntax for some reason
[16:47] tjholowaychuk: I find it interesting that brendan wants to add support for the whole "class foo extends bar" thing
[16:47] tjholowaychuk: that is going to confuse
[16:47] tjholowaychuk: so many people
[16:47] chjj: yeah i dont like that =/
[16:47] tjholowaychuk: oh it's a class, but it's not a class
[16:47] jmar777: ya. that's been in the works forever though
[16:47] tbranyen: tjholowaychuk: he really likes coffeescript :-/
[16:47] Opaque: 
ACTION ponders if he should launch during busy finals time :/

[16:47] tjholowaychuk: and not only do we not have classes
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[16:47] tjholowaychuk: we have some funky mix of protos and classical inheritance
[16:48] tjholowaychuk: which is already confusing to most
[16:48] chjj: very unnecessary, what i would be ok with is some new concise way to define inheritence, ctor.prototype = new parent() - never worked right to being with, and Object.create(parent.prototype - still a little verbose
[16:48] tjholowaychuk: so now we add this stupid syntax on top
[16:48] tjholowaychuk: and be cool
[16:48] tjholowaychuk: like ruby
[16:48] gf3: tjholowaychuk: I dig shorter functions and paren-less coding
[16:48] tbranyen: tjholowaychuk: from what i heard classes would be just syntactic sugar to constructors
[16:48] chjj: we dont need classes though
[16:48] chjj: right
[16:48] tjholowaychuk: tbranyen: yeah exactly
[16:48] tjholowaychuk: but its not a class
[16:48] tjholowaychuk: so dont call it a class
[16:48] tbranyen: like we have any class anyways
[16:48] chjj: but thats trivial to layer on yourself
[16:48] tbranyen: we're dirty prototype programmers
[16:48] jmar777: i like parens, but i would dig tiny lambda expressions
[16:48] tjholowaychuk: I just think it's a terrible terrible direction
[16:48] tjholowaychuk: brendan == bad leader
[16:48] gf3: pffft
[16:48] tjholowaychuk: i like parens as well
[16:49] tjholowaychuk: if foo {} does not look any better to me
[16:49] gf3: fuck parens
[16:49] tjholowaychuk: if anything it looks worse
[16:49] gf3: tjholowaychuk: no braces either
[16:49] tbranyen: tjholowaychuk: the way i see it is if people don't like javascript right now and want to radically change it... call it something else
[16:49] chjj: i cant seem to convince anyone else that the future of JS is worth worrying about
[16:49] gf3: if true x()
[16:49] gf3: if true x() else y()
[16:49] gf3: so much more readable
[16:49] tjholowaychuk: not really
[16:49] tjholowaychuk: it just becomes a soup of words
[16:49] chjj: gf, why?
[16:49] tjholowaychuk: more brain parsing
[16:49] gf3: if you can't read, tjholowaychuk 
[16:49] tjholowaychuk: haha
[16:49] tbranyen: we already have that tho?
[16:50] tbranyen: true ? x() : y()
[16:50] tjholowaychuk: i've said it before, modeling a language on english
[16:50] tjholowaychuk: is terrible
[16:50] gf3: tbranyen: simplified example
[16:50] jmar777: i'd just like to be able to write something like: names.map(item => { item.toUpperCase(); })
[16:50] gf3: chjj: more readable IMHO, get's the "programming" noise out of the way
[16:50] halfhalo: ze balance, it be needed
[16:50] gf3: chjj: I don't need brackets and braches and colons telling me what's happening
[16:51] chjj: eh, im okay with parantheses, and im ok with curly braces, makes things explicit, allows me to give it my own style
[16:51] chjj: not worry about whitespace
[16:51] tjholowaychuk: non-braces
[16:51] tjholowaychuk: gets so hard to read
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[16:51] tjholowaychuk: I've seen some larger coffee projects and omg
[16:51] tjholowaychuk: brutal
[16:51] gf3: tjholowaychuk: I don't code with braces if I don't have to
[16:51] chjj: yeah the indentation levels get rough
[16:52] tjholowaychuk: gf3: k?
[16:52] tjholowaychuk: lol
[16:52] chjj: if theres like 200 lines of code in 3+ indentation levels
[16:52] gf3: a combo of indentation and braces works well
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[16:52] gf3: chjj: in moderation
[16:52] gf3: chjj: use many small functions, you're golden
[16:52] taf2: no moderation, be consistent 
[16:52] chjj: gf3: the problem is, people dont do that
[16:52] chjj: i dont use coffeescript, im talking about the code i see written by people who use it
[16:52] gf3: chjj: well that doesn't affect how I write *my* code
[16:52] tbranyen: tjholowaychuk: if you like braces so much why'd you make stylus
[16:52] jmar777: well, basically just look at virtually every article on large-scale python projects. code gets nasty.
[16:53] tjholowaychuk: im sorry but this is a mess https://github.com/jashkenas/coffee-script/blob/master/src/rewriter.coffee
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[16:53] tjholowaychuk: tbranyen: it allows both
[16:53] tbranyen: tjholowaychuk: i was just being a dick
[16:53] jmar777: tbranyen: haha - GREAT question lol
[16:53] chjj: lol
[16:53] gf3: chjj, tjholowaychuk: read this bad boy for an idea of where I'm coming from: http://inimino.org/~inimino/blog/javascript_whitespace
[16:53] tjholowaychuk: tbranyen: but certainly the same issue, no doubt about that
[16:53] tjholowaychuk: gf3: i remember that post
[16:53] tjholowaychuk: didnt like it
[16:53] tjholowaychuk: lol
[16:53] gf3: lame balls man
[16:53] gf3: it's a quality read
[16:54] gf3: inimino puts some great ideas forth and the WHY behind them
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[16:55] chjj: heres what they should do for JS instead of adding classes: standardize __proto__
[16:55] tjholowaychuk: yeah
[16:55] gf3: and get rid of the __*__
[16:55] chjj: its gonna stay implemented anyway
[16:56] chjj: it will be in forever, might as well standardize it
[16:56] gf3: function __________construct () {}
[16:56] tbranyen: gf3: too late for that, but i suppose if they are making radically backwards breaking changes
[16:56] tbranyen: might as well?
[16:56] jmar777: chjj++
[16:56] gf3: yeh
[16:56] v8bot:  jmar777 has given a beer to chjj. chjj now has 1 beers.
[16:56] chjj: my first beer
[16:56] chjj: !
[16:56] gf3: you can do some really cool shit w/ __proto__
[16:56] jmar777: ahh - enjoy lol
[16:56] gf3: http://gf3.ca/2010/12/16/executable-instances
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[16:57] chjj: yeah, __proto__ is amazing, and amazingly convenient
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[16:57] tbranyen: biggest thing for me is the proxy object shit
[16:57] jmar777: definitely. makes inheritance stuff extremely straight forward
[16:57] sorens3n: that article seemed to be pretty basic
[16:57] sorens3n: just gave it a read
[16:57] tbranyen: http://jsconf.eu/2010/speaker/be_proxy_objects.html <<< dis stuff
[16:57] sorens3n: http://inimino.org/~inimino/blog/javascript_whitespace
[16:57] tbranyen: wish v8 had that now
[16:57] taf2: should use getPrototypeOf when available instead of __proto__
[16:57] gf3: tbranyen: yeh, kindy wordy, but useful
[16:57] gf3: sorens3n: mhmm
[16:58] tbranyen: gf3: i just like metatabes in lua
[16:58] tbranyen: tables*
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[16:58] [algo]: Fibers should be in JS
[16:58] tjholowaychuk: yeah i like how lua handles things much better
[16:58] chjj: taf2: getPrototypeOf only gets the prototype, it doesnt have even remotely the same behavior as __proto__ in any other aspect
[16:58] tjholowaychuk: .prototype is gay
[16:58] [algo]: I hate syncy async
[16:58] jmar777: for a _scary_ read, here's what we nearly had: http://blog.jeremymartin.name/2008/03/web-20-meet-javascript-20.html (and i'm ashamed to admit that I was totally stoked at the time). was a big java-head when i wrote it
[16:58] tbranyen: tjholowaychuk: yeah implementing your own lookup system in like 5 lines of code that completely emulates the power of prototype and gives you more flexibility is so choice!
[16:59] chjj: the v8 team should make a lua vm
[16:59] chjj: ;)
[16:59] tbranyen: if javascript is heading in that direction anyways, might as well go with lua heh
[16:59] tbranyen: chjj: lua-llvm is really fast already
[16:59] chjj: is it? ive never paid attention to the benchmarks actually
[16:59] jmar777: LuaNode
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[17:00] tbranyen: all you'd have to do is override the io library to make it impossible for people to use blocking io
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[17:25] AntelopeSalad: does anyone know if the nodeconf videos are in the process of being uploaded somewhere?
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[17:25] pquerna: AntelopeSalad: they were all recorded
[17:25] pquerna: AntelopeSalad: so I imagine its being worked on :)
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[17:26] AntelopeSalad: nice
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[17:29] jmar777: the jsconf videos usually start getting released ~1 week later, so hopefully nodeconf vids will be on a similar schedule
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[17:37] nibblebot: what is the easiest setup for npm global and npm link
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[17:38] nibblebot: why is it not recommended to use global and set NODE_PATH= global root?
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[17:39] derickson: Off topic: Does anyone know of an easy way to un-watch a bunch of repos on github? I'm drowning in noise...
[17:41] techwraith: nibblebot: The reason global isn't recommended, is because modules usually belong with the app that needs to use them.
[17:41] kryptom: techwraith: i'd check the repo api (haven't seen anything in the UI)
[17:41] techwraith: nibblebot: It helps out in deployment quite a bit too...
[17:41] techwraith: kryptom: Thanks :)
[17:41] kryptom: techwraith: http://develop.github.com/p/repo.html
[17:41] context: nibblebot: 'global root' ?
[17:41] nibblebot: for deployment i am using npm link and packages.json
[17:41] nibblebot: but for just random development
[17:41] nibblebot: i'd like to be able to access a module from anywhere
[17:42] guybrush: so link it
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[17:42] nibblebot: link it? after installing locally or globally?
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[17:42] context: globally
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[17:42] context: or add the global path into require.paths for the random one off scripts
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[17:43] context: do like NODE_ROOT_PATH and add that to require.paths so its more simple
[17:43] nibblebot: interesting
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[17:44] context: will still only work locally but...
[17:44] context: if you plan on moving it ever you should give it a package.json anyway
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[17:46] Marak: package.json is key
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[17:46] Marak: we use package.json for deployments
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[17:50] context: marak: well i see where nibblebot is getting.  its annoying enough now i cant just run node to mess around.
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[17:50] Marak: hrmmm?
[17:50] nibblebot: what i've down now is this
[17:51] nibblebot: global install everything
[17:51] nibblebot: then npm link everything from my home dir
[17:51] nibblebot: so ~/node_modules has all links
[17:51] context: ahh nice.
[17:51] nibblebot: and i do all my dev in a subdir of ~
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[18:22] jwl: still don't know how to do proper coding in node.js
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[18:22] alindeman: Proper coding like best practices?
[18:22] jwl: i want to rename a folder.. then move it to another location .. should i use spawn?
[18:22] jwl: more like how to do synched coding with ascyched coding
[18:23] jwl: that is a 2 step that has to be in sync
[18:23] jwl: could someone give me some hint
[18:23] tbranyen: jwl: mv is the same thing
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[18:23] tbranyen: mv is how you rename and move
[18:23] tbranyen: in a single operation
[18:23] jwl: yeah i know
[18:24] jwl: okay but lets say i want to do it in 2 step
[18:24] alindeman: fs.rename?
[18:24] jwl: and those steps are in sync
[18:24] tbranyen: i really don't understand the point of that
[18:24] tbranyen: are doing something in between?
[18:24] alindeman: You could do one within the completion callback of the other
[18:24] jwl: tbranyen: its just an example .. how to do 2 steps in sync
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[18:24] puffpio: in the success callback of rename, do the move
[18:24] tbranyen: jwl: i'm sure you could find a better example than rename and move which are effectively the exact same thing in a bsd world
[18:25] jwl: puffpio: how do i send a callback to a spawned process
[18:25] jwl: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.4.7/api/child_processes.html#child_process.spawn
[18:25] jwl: listen on "data" ?
[18:26] jwl: but what if it doesn't send a data
[18:26] jwl: like rm ... it doesn't print out anything on console
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[18:27] puffpio: instead of using 'spawn' why not use 'exec'
[18:27] puffpio: since you are doing these simple one liner commands
[18:27] puffpio: and exec provides a hook for a callback
[18:27] jwl: yeah 
[18:27] puffpio: where you can read stdin and make sure things worked well
[18:27] jwl: what is the difference between spawn and exec?
[18:27] puffpio: or stderr
[18:28] puffpio: exec is more high level
[18:29] puffpio: runs what u give it ..buffers all the output, and runs the callback at the end
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[18:29] puffpio: whereas spawn you can attach those data callbacks and read stdout or stdferr while its runing
[18:29] puffpio: for example u could spawn a video encoding job which is long running
[18:29] puffpio: and read stdout for the % complete
[18:29] puffpio: or something
[18:30] brianc: basically you could build your own 'exec' command using the 'spaw' command
[18:30] brianc: spaw = spawn
[18:31] jwl: ah
[18:31] jwl: so exec is an abstraction for spawn you can say
[18:31] jwl: a simpler method
[18:32] jwl: then i guess i want to use spawn() so i dont have to learn 2 things =)
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[18:34] Marak: is it possible to "rebind" to a child process via pID, if the parent process died 
[18:34] puffpio: jwl: i guess you could say exec is a convenience
[18:35] jwl: puffpio: yeah
[18:35] jwl: nice thought =)
[18:35] jwl: puffpio: what if the command doesn't return a data
[18:36] jwl: and i want to run another command after that one 
[18:36] jwl: i should listen on "exit" ?
[18:36] puffpio: for spawn?
[18:36] puffpio: jwl: yeah
[18:36] context: jwl: what
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[18:36] context: oh
[18:36] jwl: context: what?
[18:36] context: nm
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[18:37] jwl: nm?
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[18:38] context: never mind
[18:39] stride: never mind?
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[18:39] stride: :>
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[18:40] jwl: =)
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[18:41] jwl: context: onigi
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[18:44] saschagehlich: tjholowaychuk: ping
[18:44] tjholowaychuk: saschagehlich: pong
[18:45] saschagehlich: tjholowaychuk: I'm playing around with express' built-in sass compiling stuff
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[18:45] saschagehlich: I did app.use express.compiler({ src: __dirname + '/public/stylesheets', enable: ['sass']}) and put a application.sass to public/stylesheets/
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[18:45] tjholowaychuk: saschagehlich: stylus man !
[18:45] tjholowaychuk: haha
[18:45] tjholowaychuk: :p
[18:45] saschagehlich: so now, as I request localhost/stylesheets/application.css it should give me the compiled sass right?
[18:45] saschagehlich: atm I don't see why I should use stylus :P
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[18:46] tjholowaychuk: because it's vastly superior
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[18:46] tjholowaychuk: but anyway
[18:46] saschagehlich: okay, that's an argument. :P
[18:46] tjholowaychuk: change /public/stylesheets to /public
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[18:46] tjholowaychuk: then GET /stylesheets/foo.css
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[18:46] tjholowaychuk: but yeah I'd recommend checking out stylus, my old sass thing doesn't really do much
[18:47] saschagehlich: then I get 304 to /jade
[18:47] saschagehlich: o_O
[18:47] saschagehlich: oh lol
[18:47] saschagehlich: nvm
[18:47] tjholowaychuk: if you have public/stylesheets in the path to the compiler GET /foo.css should work
[18:48] tjholowaychuk: just depends how you set things up
[18:48] tjholowaychuk: between compiler / static()
[18:48] guigouz: i need to write a download manager lib (with resume and such which makes the lib reliable), do you have any recommendations for a node.js implementation ?
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[18:48] tjholowaychuk: guigouz: check out connect's static() middleware
[18:48] tjholowaychuk: it supports Range etc
[18:49] tjholowaychuk: or the Express res.download() / res.sendfile() which use connect's internals
[18:49] tjholowaychuk: but more flexible
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[18:49] pquerna: issaaaaaaacssss
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[18:49] saschagehlich: tjholowaychuk: the GET request now generates a application.css which is empty :(
[18:50] tjholowaychuk: stylus
[18:50] tjholowaychuk: :D
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[18:50] guigouz: tjholowaychuk: will take a look. i need to use that on a headless daemon, not a web app
[18:50] saschagehlich: is it easier to implement?
[18:50] tjholowaychuk: guigouz: doesn't matter, it's just code it can be used for anything you want :p
[18:50] guigouz: thanks
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[18:50] tjholowaychuk: saschagehlich: it's just better all around
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[18:51] alcuadrado: Hi there, can anyone help me with to decide how to organize some async workflow with mongoose?
[18:51] alcuadrado: s/with//
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[18:52] techwraith: alcuadrado: What did you need, I may be able to help, not much time right now though
[18:52] techwraith: (just a heads up in case I get part way through helping you)
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[18:54] V1: tjholowaychuk: question regarding cluster's development, have you tried balancing the fds your self instead of having the OS handle it? If so what where your experiances with it
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[18:54] tjholowaychuk: V1: I have no interest in doing that
[18:54] tjholowaychuk: it would be slower, and for what benefit?
[18:55] tjholowaychuk: making that logic extensible
[18:55] saschagehlich: tjholowaychuk: okay, stylus works like a charm. good work! ;)
[18:55] V1: tjholowaychuk: Iknow, but I have interest in doing that for new module that I'm working on so I wondered if you had any experiance with it
[18:55] tjholowaychuk: would be nice, but not something I want
[18:55] tjholowaychuk: saschagehlich: haha :)
[18:55] tjholowaychuk: V1: ah, nope
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[18:56] V1: tjholowaychuk: I `need` sticky session support
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[18:56] tjholowaychuk: hm :s
[18:56] tjholowaychuk: I dont see why
[18:56] tjholowaychuk: IMO that's bad design
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[18:56] alcuadrado: techwraith,  thanks! I'm making a simple real time notifications system, and there is a part in which it receives a json and stores it in mongo, but I want it to be well organized. I currently have a Prototype (call it App) which instantiates another one for every request (an HttpRequestManager instance). So I want the request manager to store the object in mongo, and in case it fails give an error page, but also, App should be no
[18:56] alcuadrado: tified (with an event maybe) of this failure
[18:57] techwraith: So what issue are you having?
[18:57] V1: tjholowaychuk: I know, it's not one of the best solutions, but it should just work
[18:58] V1: (for our usecase(
[18:58] alcuadrado: So I was thinking on creating another layer of abstraction between App+HttpRequestManager and Mongoose (call it NotificationsRepository)
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[18:59] alcuadrado: but if I add a callback to mongoose's save for every HttpRequestManager I would end up with memory leaks maybe
[18:59] tjholowaychuk: V1: I agree it would be cool to have it configurable though
[18:59] tjholowaychuk: so people dont keep reinventing cluster-ish stuff
[18:59] tjholowaychuk: or tons of forks
[18:59] alcuadrado: and also checking for the correct save every single time per each HttpRequestManager
[19:00] V1: tjholowaychuk: Yeh, but adding it to cluster would mean a considerable rewrite of the fd / ipc handling ( i think )
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[19:01] tjholowaychuk: V1: kinda. i dont know, ultimately i think without good reason it's bad design to not just utilize the kernel
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[19:01] techwraith: alcuadrado: What would mem leak there?
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[19:02] V1: tjholowaychuk:  well the kernel doesn't know what goes on inside node's event loop
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[19:02] tjholowaychuk: shouldnt need to
[19:02] alcuadrado: because I have a single NotificationsRepository, which has lots of callbacks of differents HttpRequestManagers attached, so they would not be released
[19:02] tjholowaychuk: process is a process
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[19:02] tjholowaychuk: your logic should not be bound to which one
[19:02] alcuadrado: unless I remove that listerners once used
[19:02] techwraith: alcuadrado: Ah, gotcha
[19:03] techwraith: Why have the abstraction then?
[19:03] V1: so if something is blocking (sync or allot of processing) it would not be an ideal candidate to process another request
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[19:03] alcuadrado: because I think it's not responsibility of a HttpRequestManager to notify the App that mongo has already saved smth
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[19:05] saschagehlich: does somebody have a reset stylus file (yui 2 reset equivalent)?
[19:06] Marak: fuck, why is my mac being upset about things today
[19:06] Marak: Error: dlopen(/usr/local/lib/node/.npm/daemon/0.3.0/package/build/default/daemon.node, 1): no suitable image found.  Did find: 	/usr/local/lib/node/.npm/daemon/0.3.0/package/build/default/daemon.node: mach-o, but wrong architecture 
[19:06] Marak: i can never remember how to fix that
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[19:12] foobarfighter: hi techwraith 
[19:12] baudehlo: 
ACTION wonders if he should rewrite SpamAssassin using node.

[19:12] saschagehlich: mjr_: is it right that redis jumps back to the first database if you don't do requests for a while?
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[19:13] techwraith: Hi foobarfighter
[19:13] foobarfighter: im watching you
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[19:30] Marak: fucking 10 new npm modules are being published per day
[19:30] Marak: i mean, shit
[19:30] Marak: HOW WILL I RAP THEM ALL AT THIS RATE
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[19:34] jhurliman: can someone help me parse the final callback in this semaphore? <https://gist.github.com/540427> i'm trying to find documentation for callback.apply and understand how the "arguments" variable appears out of nowhere
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[19:35] ruquay: jhurliman: the arguments is always supplied to javascript functions.
[19:35] Marak: jhurliman: "arguments" is a reserved word in JS, it refers to the arguments passed into the current context
[19:35] jhurliman: ah thank you
[19:35] ruquay: jhurliman: are you getting an error?
[19:35] jhurliman: no not getting an error, was just curious how it worked
[19:36] ruquay: the arguments is an array-like object which always refers to the current function
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[19:36] ruquay: http://www.crockford.com/javascript/inheritance.html
[19:36] Marak: jhurliman: that looks really weird, im not sure why you are using that code. you should be using the async library maybe
[19:36] Marak: jhurliman: that code is just scary looking
[19:37] jhurliman: Marak, i just need a basic semaphore
[19:37] jhurliman: it was posted to the mailing list by ryan gahl
[19:37] jhurliman: need to fetch 50 urls and fire a callback when all fetches have completed
[19:37] Marak: jhurliman: yeah, use the async library i think
[19:37] jhurliman: link please?
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[19:38] Marak: jhurliman: https://github.com/caolan/async
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[19:38] jhurliman: ty
[19:39] jhurliman: ah perfect, this is what i was looking for
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[19:50] Marak: does anyone know how to resolve issues like: Error: dlopen(/usr/local/lib/node/.npm/iconv/1.1.0/package/iconv.node, 1): no suitable image found.  Did find: 	/usr/local/lib/node/.npm/iconv/1.1.0/package/iconv.node: mach-o, but wrong architecture 
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[19:50] Marak: reinstall / uninstall not seeming to help
[19:50] Marak: i've seen this before, forgot how to fix
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[19:51] nibblebot: quick poll: vows or expresso for express models/controllers?
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[19:52] towski: anyone have any experience getting prototype to work with jsdom
[19:52] counterbeing1: Hey folks… I have a tech question and I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction as to some documentation… 
[19:52] counterbeing1: while(i < loop_cap){
[19:52] counterbeing1: 	sys.puts("Now working on: " + mega_array[i]);
[19:52] counterbeing1: 	get_data(mega_array[i]); 	
[19:52] counterbeing1: 	i++;
[19:52] counterbeing1: }
[19:53] counterbeing1: it fires all of the "Now working on"s before the "get_data" function even gets a chance to fire :(
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[19:53] nibblebot: is get_data async?
[19:53] counterbeing1: i think it is
[19:53] counterbeing1: which is where i encounter my problem
[19:53] nibblebot: so async functions need a callback
[19:53] nibblebot: since you can't capture the return value directly
[19:54] nibblebot: like in a sync function
[19:54] counterbeing1: i see
[19:54] nibblebot: and a while loop won't block on multiple calls of async function
[19:54] counterbeing1: so "callback" is what i'm looking for?
[19:54] mikegerwitz: counterbeing1: What arguments does the function accept?
[19:54] counterbeing1: just one, a URL
[19:54] counterbeing1: in the array i have 50 URLS
[19:55] nibblebot: async function calls are usually called as such
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[19:55] nibblebot: do_thing(args, function(err, data){ //work with result here });
[19:55] mikegerwitz: counterbeing1: ut ohs! So it provides no means to tell you wne it's completed?
[19:55] mikegerwitz: when*
[19:55] nibblebot: you pass in a callback function as last param
[19:55] nibblebot: and when it has completed
[19:55] nibblebot: you can work with the result or check for errors
[19:55] joeshaw: counterbeing1: did you write get_data() or is it provided by some library?
[19:55] counterbeing1: i wrote it
[19:55] mikegerwitz: oh.
[19:56] joeshaw: ah, ok, yeah, you need to convert it into a function which takes a callback
[19:56] joeshaw: and then calls that callback when the work is done
[19:56] counterbeing1: it's a really simple function to get info from the URL it is provided
[19:56] mikegerwitz: counterbeing1: then you need a callback and recursion, rather than a loop.
[19:56] counterbeing1: cool!
[19:56] counterbeing1: thanks a ton!
[19:56] counterbeing1: i'm going to go read about this callback
[19:56] counterbeing1: it's something that has been confusing me :)
[19:56] nibblebot: it's the core of node.js
[19:56] counterbeing1:  (Day 2 with node)
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[19:57] mikegerwitz: counterbeing1: A callback is simply a function that's called when the operation is completed. See also anonymous functions.
[19:57] mikegerwitz: counterbeing1: and closures
[19:57] counterbeing1: awesome! googling away.
[19:58] counterbeing1: thanks again all!
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[20:02] Marak: nibblebot: vows
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[20:06] Aikar: hmm
[20:06] Aikar: i did git checkout 4.0
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[20:06] Aikar: >>> git branch
[20:06] Aikar: * 4.0
[20:06] Aikar: but when i do node -v it shows v0.5.0-pre
[20:07] Aikar: does 4.0 have a 5.0 v tag or do you gotta do something else after git checkout 4.0 ?
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[20:08] Aikar: err
[20:08] Aikar: i guess that was from my own typo
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[20:09] mikegerwitz: Aikar: You may have to do `make distclean` to ensure everything's cleaned up
[20:09] mikegerwitz: I've had that problem in the past
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[20:09] jesusabdullah: I wish you could comment on issues without reopening them
[20:09] jesusabdullah: -_-;
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[20:11] mikegerwitz: yep
[20:11] mikegerwitz: wrong window, but I do agree with jesusabdullah, so that was convenient
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[20:14] Aikar: mikegerwitz: looks like i screwed up switching branches anyways, so i just deleted the dir and recloned
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[20:19] stephank: What would be totally rad, is if NPM had a command to `git clone` dependencies recursively based on the repo spec in package.json. (rather than just install)
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[20:21] techwraith: stephank: That's not really npm's job :)
[20:21] stephank: why not?
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[20:23] nibblebot: why would you want to clone?
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[20:25] stephank: I find it's the easiest way to work on and contribute to dependencies. By cloning in node_modules, I can work on (with keep history) and test dependencies from within my own project right away.
[20:25] stephank: It really lowers the barrier for me!
[20:26] Aikar: how do you use modes on the fs.open etc calls?
[20:26] Aikar: '0777', 0777, 777, '777' doesnt work
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[20:30] Aikar: fs.open appears to be broken
[20:31] Aikar: doesnt honor the go+w modes
[20:31] Aikar: can chmod once its written
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[20:32] Aikar: 0755 appears to be highest fs.open will create with
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[20:36] boghog: hrm, is there a way to use repl to run code given at the prompt in the 'current' context of my node application? i want to use repl to workaround bugs on the fly before I take my app down, but right now I would need to put various things on the repl's context object to get handles to things
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[20:36] stisti: Aikar: What is your umask?
[20:37] boghog: as an example use-case, I have an irc bot, and it got disconnected but the connection refused to time out, I couldn't CTRL+C it to kill it because I would lose some data that it normally saves on disconnect/shutdown. so I was thinking that if I had a repl interface I could save the data on the console before I took it down
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[20:38] eguest309: hello
[20:39] eguest309: does anyone have any good startup script for  starting  one or more node.js processes kind of like as a startup service
[20:40] stephank: boghog: Your modules run in local scope, much like a function wrapper. So anything you declare with var is local. I haven't used repl much, but I guess the other way to get to your objects is to require stuff in the repl itself. Of course, that doesn't work it gives you the running state of your app, rather than just class defs, for example.
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[20:40] stephank: doesn't work /unless/ it gives you the running state*...
[20:41] boghog: yeah
[20:42] mjr_: boghog: you need to expose everything to the repl scope
[20:42] boghog: yeah, im looking at the repl source though it might be easy to hack it to use runInThisContext
[20:42] boghog: instead of a given context that I would need to expose everything on
[20:42] stisti: eguest309: Check out "forever"
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[20:44] eguest309: alrit thanks.will check it out
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[20:44] duncanbeevers: boghog: Check out node-inspector https://github.com/dannycoates/node-inspector
[20:44] mjr_: Once you get everything exposed to the repl scope, it is an amazingly useful tool.
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[20:44] mjr_: You can just change your program while it is running.
[20:44] mjr_: so great
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[20:45] stisti: http://blog.nodejitsu.com/keep-a-nodejs-server-up-with-forever
[20:45] context: wow! node-inspector looks awesome
[20:46] jhurliman: node-inspector is indeed awesome
[20:46] jhurliman: using the same debugger for your frontend and backend code... :)
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[20:46] mjr_: dannycoates showed me his new debugging tool that he's working on, and it takes node inspector to the next level.
[20:46] mjr_: Really cool.
[20:47] duncanbeevers: mjr_: Rad. I'd love to see what he's up to.
[20:47] stephank: I found node-inspector to be a bit rough. But that doesn't make the stuff any less incredible.
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[20:48] stephank: mjr_: pursuade him to release early, release often? ;)
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[20:48] mjr_: Basically he's got this thing where stopping at breakpoints will capture enough state to update the UI, but then it can resume the program.
[20:48] mjr_: So you can debug while the server is still serving.
[20:48] context: repl ?
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[20:48] pquerna: eheh
[20:49] mjr_: But it's in the webkit dev tools inspector thing.
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[20:50] pquerna: mjr_: https://github.com/cloudkick/whiskey/blob/coverage/lib/coverage.js does the breakpont on startup, step into everything thing
[20:50] pquerna: (we ended up using jscoverage for now, the dbugger step on everything method was too slow)
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[20:50] mjr_: that is crazy
[20:51] mjr_: Does it work?
[20:51] pquerna: yep
[20:51] mjr_: awesome
[20:51] pquerna: it made tests go from like 400ms to 30 seconds
[20:51] stephank: haha
[20:51] pquerna: which was a bummer
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[20:53] mjr_: That's uhh... slower.
[20:54] mjr_: The V8 debugger API seems pretty cool though.
[20:54] admc1: anyone have an example node script that automates an ssh session?
[20:54] saschagehlich: isaacs: ping
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[20:54] isaacs: yo
[20:54] saschagehlich: is there another way to get the dependencies of a npm module?
[20:54] pquerna: mjr_: yeah, i was thinking about making a c++ extension that could do it in process
[20:54] c4milo: admc1: node-control? 
[20:54] saschagehlich: or do I have to access registry.npmjs.org/modulename ?
[20:54] pquerna: mjr_: using the debugger api in C++ world isn't too bad
[20:54] admc1: c4milo: thanks ill check it out
[20:54] isaacs: saschagehlich: that's probably the easiest way, short of installing it.
[20:55] saschagehlich: hum okay
[20:55] isaacs: saschagehlich: you could do `npm view whatever` to get at it
[20:55] pquerna: mjr_: but it was so slow.... node-jscoverage works :-/
[20:55] saschagehlich: yea I had a look at the source and saw that npm is doing the same thing
[20:55] isaacs: saschagehlich: you could also hit registry.npmjs.org/modulename/version-or-tag to just get at one version, if you don't need the whole thing
[20:55] saschagehlich: the problem is - right now I'm writing a crawler to create a nice-looking "npm modules repository"
[20:55] pquerna: isaacs: any reason not to use your SAX parser other than all the many disclaimers it already has?
[20:56] pquerna: (ie, you intend to keep it alive)
[20:56] saschagehlich: to have a nice overview about what modules are there, with search functionality etc
[20:56] isaacs: saschagehlich: if you can express your logic in a map-reduce, then you can skip the crawl, and just build a couchapp
[20:56] isaacs: saschagehlich: or just fork the existing search site
[20:56] isaacs: pquerna: i think the existing disclaimers are reasonably sufficient :)
[20:56] pquerna: okay, great
[20:56] isaacs: pquerna: it's not a priority for me to maintain it, but i'm not gonna kill it.  if you find a bug, i might even fix it.  if you send a patch, i'll almost certainly accept it.
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[20:57] tbranyen: isaacs: http://dustindiaz.com/ender-cli first two comments
[20:57] tbranyen: any thoughts
[20:57] saschagehlich: alright, thanks!
[20:57] stephank: isaacs: Btw, search main page says "Dependended", which should be "Depended" I think.
[20:57] isaacs: stephank: yep, typo.  pull request!
[20:58] stephank: heh, okay
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[20:58] CIA-72: node: 03isaacs 07v0.4 * r307f39c 10/ (lib/url.js test/simple/test-url.js): 
[20:58] CIA-72: node: Fix a url regression
[20:58] CIA-72: node: The change for #954 introduced a regression that would cause
[20:58] CIA-72: node: the url parser to fail on special chars found in the auth
[20:58] CIA-72: node: segment. Fix that, and also don't create invalid urls when
[20:58] CIA-72: node: format() is called on an object containing an auth member
[20:58] CIA-72: node: containing '@' characters or delimiters. - http://bit.ly/kiTJwn
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[21:00] isaacs: tbranyen: i think that dustin summed up some pretty reasonable reasons to put ender in the npm registry
[21:00] isaacs: tbranyen: note: the registry !== npm
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[21:00] towski: anyone know how jsdom defines Event
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[21:00] SubStack: let's put everything on the registry
[21:01] SubStack: in fact let's have a node.js livecd that fetches packages from the registry
[21:01] mscdex: yeah!
[21:01] isaacs: tbranyen: the npm program is a client that does installation, and doesn't much care what it's installing.  it's optimized for node programs, and designed for them, but it's no more reasonable to choose git (which is optimized for content tracking and collaboration) as a package deployment mechanism, than to use npm for client-side javascript.
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[21:01] mscdex: the npm registry is the new github!
[21:01] stephank: isaacs: voila: https://github.com/isaacs/npmjs.org/pull/8
[21:01] mscdex: :p
[21:02] SubStack: tbranyen: also with browserify you can pull down browser-side libs from npm
[21:02] isaacs: tbranyen: in other words, yeah, it's a bit silly to bang in nails with a screwdriver.  but if the screwdriver is heavy, and you HAVE the screwdriver and no hammer, then it might actually be a pretty ok option.
[21:02] SubStack: which is actually a useful thing to do, but not in the ways you might initially expect
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[21:03] tbranyen: isaacs: well git isn't branded to any specific technology
[21:03] tbranyen: in fact git is branded as agnostic
[21:03] tbranyen: npm not so much
[21:03] isaacs: node is for website.
[21:03] isaacs: *websites
[21:03] tbranyen: also ender is fine in npm, but the issue was client side libs that can't work with node
[21:03] SubStack: I really like having flow control libs, jquery, data structure algorithm libs, and browser-specific components of modules require()able in browser-side code
[21:03] isaacs: client-side javascript is a core web technology.
[21:03] tbranyen: and you could npm install them thinking they do
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[21:03] SubStack: replicating business logic not so much
[21:03] tbranyen: and realizing afterwards that they rely on the dom or something breaking on load
[21:03] isaacs: tbranyen: then they should probably have an "engines" hash indicating as much
[21:04] SubStack: also bundling modules so that you can write code the node way in the browser rocks
[21:04] tbranyen: you can list engines code doesn't work on in engines
[21:04] isaacs: "engines" : { "jquery" : "*" }  i dunno
[21:04] tbranyen: interesting
[21:04] tbranyen: "-node": "*"
[21:04] isaacs: if there's an "engines" hash, and it doesn't include "node", then npm assumes that it's invalid.
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[21:04] tbranyen: right on
[21:04] isaacs: even "engines" : {} would work
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[21:05] isaacs: tbranyen: you can also, btw, restrict which versions of npm can install your package that way
[21:05] isaacs: "engines" : { "npm" : ">=1.0.2" }
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[21:05] isaacs: the goal of the registry from the start was to be for more than just npm.
[21:06] isaacs: afaik, the dojo folks are the only ones mocking the same API for different purposes, and a few dojo packages are actually served from dojofoundation.org rather than the couchapp
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[21:08] kmiyashiro: why do some people say not to use redis as a db?
[21:08] duncanbeevers: I've been writing client-side code following node package conventions and then wiring it together with a custom client-side require implementation. It's been breezy.
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[21:09] chjj: kmiyashiro: redis is a very specific use case
[21:09] chjj: its a completely in-memory key-value store
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[21:09] chjj: well almost completely*
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[21:09] kmiyashiro: so jus don't store docs in it?
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[21:10] chjj: ?
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[21:10] chjj: its not that simple, it depends on the kind of data youre storing, yes, but it also depends on how accessible that data needs to be
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[21:11] duncanbeevers: kmiyashiro: http://antirez.com/post/a-few-key-problems-in-redis-persistence.html
[21:11] matt_m: does "node" command look for any env vars or something when invoked with a script name as an argument? I am having a weird issue, when executed "node scrpt.js" on one user it works, on another it complains it doesn't know what console.log is. It actually doesn't even start the CLI on this user. I am quite consfused. Any pointers?
[21:12] isaacs: matt_m: maybe they're finding different versions of node?
[21:13] kmiyashiro: duncanbeevers: thanks
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[21:14] matt_m: isaacs: indeed, you are right! then I guess I'll know how to "fix" that. thanks!
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[21:16] jaequery: hi
[21:16] jaequery: hola amigoes!
[21:17] creationix: howdy everyone
[21:17] halfhalo: dundunDUN....
[21:17] jaequery: que pasa!
[21:17] pquerna: anyone familiar with django-sentry?  Anything similiar for node around eyt?
[21:17] kmiyashiro: is it possible to run a function using a variable value?
[21:17] creationix: voy a ganar el mundo con el ayudo de webOS y nodeJS!
[21:18] kmiyashiro: I want to run foo.bar() and x = bar
[21:18] kmiyashiro: can I do foo.{bar}() or something?
[21:18] jaequery: am i the only one dealing with pain of, "deep tree-nested coding" syndrome with node.js?
[21:18] kmiyashiro: I mean foo.{x}
[21:18] creationix: kmiyashiro: yes
[21:18] creationix: foo[x]
[21:18] kmiyashiro: oh right
[21:18] kmiyashiro: 
ACTION facepalm

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[21:18] creationix: and functions are just values like numbers or objects
[21:19] kmiyashiro: so it would be foo[x]()?
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[21:19] kmiyashiro: to actually run it?
[21:19] jaequery: my code now looks like a tree, with all this event driven, i gotta pass cb method after another
[21:19] kmiyashiro: or foo[x].call(blah)
[21:19] jaequery: is there any cleaner way ?
[21:19] duncanbeevers: jaequery: Check out weepy's kaffeine dialect
[21:19] creationix: kmiyashiro: right foo.bar is the same thing as foo["bar"]
[21:19] Ratty_: kmiyashiro: the first one
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[21:19] kmiyashiro: ok, thanks!
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[21:20] SubStack: jaequery: build a flow control lib!
[21:20] SubStack: it's super fun
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[21:20] creationix: jaequery: there is an old post here http://howtonode.org/control-flow
[21:20] jaequery: user = User.find! {id: nick}, how the hell?
[21:21] creationix: jaequery: and go from there, or npm search control flow
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[21:21] halfhalo: I finally fixed my issue with sequelize and express.  sequelize was erroring out but being caught by a try/catch... and all due to a single string instead of an int.  Took me forever to find out it wasn't parsing correctly. 
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[21:53] towski: what's the difference between a global function, say 'function hey(){' , and a global variable, like hey = function(){}
[21:53] EvanCarroll: 1wom 2
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[21:53] towski: node seems to be treating them differentl
[21:53] EvanCarroll: change password time.
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[21:54] context: haha.
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[21:54] context: hate it when that happens
[21:54] context: towski: they are different.
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[21:59] towski: context: so my problem is, I want to make something defined first as 'function hey(){ }' become a global
[21:59] towski: of the same name
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[22:00] jaequery: whats the difference between,  bla.bla = function(r){..}   and   var bla = { bla: function(r){ ... }
[22:01] Ratty_: jaequery: Nothing really
[22:01] Tidwell: jaequery: you'll get an error with that first one if you haven't declared bla already, otherwise, nothing
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[22:03] jaequery: cool 
[22:03] jaequery: thx
[22:03] jaequery: also, should i quote the keys? is that better practice?
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[22:38] jhurliman: anyone have a favorite library for node.js unit tests?
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[22:40] isaacs: jhurliman: i'm partial to node-tap
[22:40] isaacs: jhurliman: but it's not very polished yet
[22:40] isaacs: docs etc.
[22:40] jhurliman: i'll take a look, thanks
[22:41] isaacs: jhurliman: you should bug the author to finish it up already.
[22:41] jhurliman: who needs polish when it comes to unit tests anyways ;)
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