[00:00] dominic_: yeah, i was about to write one, but realised i could just start another node process, pass the glob, json the args and log them, then in the main process, parse them back.... and then one day. reimplement it with the same API...
[00:04] perezd: does spark2 have a way that it can be initialized from within a node file? (deploying on joyent and I want server.js to start up spark2)
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[00:08] marcosvm: When decoding a string from base64 and the string isn't a valid base64 string the only way to know is by checking the buffer.toString().length == 0?
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[00:08] GriffenJBS: Gigawatt: I'm back, looking at it now
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[00:09] Gigawatt: it might be a bug, ill try replicate it!
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[00:13] GriffenJBS: Gigawatt: break it into small steps and check them like http://pastebin.com/hRRYp3zR
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[00:16] Gigawatt: my workaround at the moment is to move the requires outside the object scope!
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[00:20] pz_f: Is JSON.stringify() browser independant
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[00:21] jesusabdullah: I don't think all browsers have it, if that's what you're asking.
[00:21] GriffenJBS: pz_f: for all that support it ;-)
[00:21] AAA_awright: The JSON RFC has a simple function that can emulate it
[00:21] pz_f: Well how would I send an object or a json literal over socket.io
[00:22] pz_f: Like this? : http://www.thomasfrank.se/downloadableJS/jsonStringify.js
[00:25] softdrink: any recommendations for doing TDD with C?
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[00:25] GriffenJBS: TDD?
[00:25] softdrink: test-driven development
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[00:26] GriffenJBS: :-( too much alphabet soup in the world today
[00:26] softdrink: agreed
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[00:28] pz_f: Php in action is a good book, there's a chapter on test driver programming
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[00:33] Gigawatt: can someone sum up middleware in one sentance for me ?
[00:34] ryah: Gigawatt: software that transparently adds some functionality to a web server - like gzip compression
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[00:34] Me1000: ryah: I know many people pointed you to my app for GitHub issues, if you have any special requests for it let me know and I'll be happy to see what I can do :)
[00:34] ryah: at least that's what it means in this context  - i guess
[00:36] Gigawatt: ryan: so why is this classes as middleware ?
[00:36] Gigawatt:  http://expressjs.com/guide.html#Route-Middleware
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[00:44] javaanse_jongens: good evening.
[00:45] javaanse_jongens: how to get home dir, anyone?
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[00:46] techwraith: javaanse_jongens: What do you mean?
[00:47] javaanse_jongens: the ~ of the user node is running under
[00:47] javaanse_jongens: /home/me
[00:47] techwraith: javaanse_jongens: not entirely sure, "~/
[00:48] techwraith: "~/" doesn't work?
[00:48] javaanse_jongens: path.existsSync "~" says no
[00:48] hober: use the HOME envvar
[00:49] techwraith: javaanse_jongens ^ sounds like the best plan
[00:49] javaanse_jongens: hober, ill look into it, thanks guys
[00:49] hober: tilde-espansion is a shell feature, not a feature of the underlying posix api
[00:49] hober: *expansion
[00:49] techwraith: hober, yeah, I figured that was the case
[00:51] javaanse_jongens: yeah. got it. thanks
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[01:17] JojoTheBoss: is Spark built into Connect or Express and if so how would you use it in connection with either of them?
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[01:28] guybrush: wow npm has 1k watchers now
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[01:33] bartek: Hi there. Has anyone had trouble building node.js on OSX? I get an error it seems when I try to build v8: http://dpaste.com/501611/
[01:33] bartek: If I try to build v8 by its lonesome, I also get error output, this might be a v8 issue more than anything, actually :-/
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[01:35] zachsmith: bartek: what parameters did you run it with?
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[01:36] bartek: I'm using homebrew to install nodejs, here's the formula: https://github.com/mxcl/homebrew/blob/master/Library/Formula/node.rb
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[01:38] zachsmith: huh, snowleopard?
[01:39] bartek: zachsmith: What about it?
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[01:39] zachsmith: are you using it?
[01:39] bartek: Yes
[01:39] zachsmith: ok, huh
[01:39] zachsmith: me too
[01:39] monokrome: Hmm... Does jade work as a client-side library?
[01:39] zachsmith: I guess I didn't have any problem
[01:40] zachsmith: monokrome: I'm pretty sure there's is a fork that does
[01:40] bartek: Ya, I do enjoy the 400 blog posts on how to compile node.js on OSX with a simple 3 lines of configure, make, make install ;-)
[01:40] bartek: As I sift through obscure errors
[01:40] monokrome: Because that'd be neat.
[01:42] zachsmith: bartek: someone posted your error... on a "how to build on windows"   https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Building-node.js-on-Cygwin-(Windows)    search for task failed (err #2)
[01:42] bartek: Ugh, if I build v8 under sudo it works, looks like it's a bug: http://code.google.com/p/v8/issues/detail?id=631#c6
[01:42] zachsmith: oh
[01:42] bartek: I'll check your link too, thanks
[01:43] zachsmith: nah, no need probably, it's probably not applicable
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[01:55] pz_f: What's the most efficient way to remove a specific value from an array
[01:55] pz_f: Or should I create a hash table in c++ as a module
[01:58] monokrome: filter?
[01:58] monokrome: or indexOf?
[01:58] monokrome: filter if there might be multiple instances needing removal
[01:59] pz_f: I found arr.splice(arr.indexOf('specific'), 1);
[01:59] monokrome: Otherwise, just get the index of your value with indexO
[01:59] monokrome: f
[01:59] monokrome: Yep.
[01:59] pz_f: Though I need to declare it for ie... stupid dumb s....
[01:59] monokrome: There can't be two instances of the value needing removed, right?
[01:59] pz_f: Unique values thankfully :)
[02:00] pz_f: Although I'd like to create a linked list with pointers in c++ and see if I can use it in js
[02:00] jesusabdullah: That could be interesting, if you could create a useful linked list implementation
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[02:03] pz__: Ish wireless dropped :<
[02:04] zzak: anyone want a duostack invite?
[02:04] mscdex: pz__: splice can be slow on very large arrays
[02:04] mscdex: pz__: you can also do linked lists in js
[02:04] mscdex: easily
[02:04] pz__: Yes but will they be as fast
[02:05] mscdex: why not?
[02:05] pz__: I don't know, primitives are passed by value?
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[02:05] mscdex: objects are passed by ref
[02:05] pz__: Their might be an implementation passing objects 
[02:05] pz__: Yeah
[02:06] pz__: But I'm not aware of it, I havent really checked it
[02:06] pz__: Would be it possible to template it?
[02:06] pz__: Like make it contain w/e I want?
[02:06] mscdex: var node = function(data) { this.next = null; this.data = data; }
[02:07] mscdex: then create new instances of node and assign .next as necessary
[02:07] pz__: Intersting, I'm new to js I will try to create my own implementation
[02:08] pz__: Right now I need to get an overall functional app haha... then I will focus on optimizing it
[02:08] mscdex: :)
[02:09] mscdex: i've found b+trees work very well too
[02:09] mscdex: and there's a javascript implementation for that
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[02:11] mikegerwitz: I need to monitor the memory usage of a specific object. Any recommendations? I know this topic has been brought up a few times, but I don't recall a conclusive answer. Unless node-inspector is the best I'm going to get.
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[02:14] pz__: mscdex: I've seen it being suggested to me too, b-tree might be overkill for the moment
[02:15] pz__: Def something to consider if I ever manipulate more than 1000 values
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[02:19] mscdex: yeah, they provide great performance and can do lookups as fast as objects, but without having to use `delete` which makes v8 go slow
[02:19] mscdex: well, slow-er
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[02:19] pz__: I see
[02:19] mscdex: they're good at ranged searches too
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[02:20] mscdex: i've been looking at using them for keeping track of connected clients for a tcp/websocket server
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[02:29] pz__: mscdex: Like keeping a list of connected clients?
[02:29] mscdex: yeah
[02:30] pz__: mscdex: What socket are you using?
[02:30] pz__: mscdex: Any module or pure node?
[02:30] mscdex: it's pure javascript
[02:30] mscdex: it's a node module like socket.io
[02:30] pz__: Ok but it isn't socket.io?
[02:31] mscdex: no
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[02:31] pz__: And why not use socket.io?
[02:32] mscdex: for at least a couple reasons. one of them being i didn't care for the reliance on the url to determine the transport
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[02:32] mscdex: another one was the transport reliability
[02:32] mscdex: but that may have improved since i initially wrote the module
[02:32] mscdex: i dunno
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[02:33] pz__: Well I dunno, I feel like it's a lot of work to do something socket does for free :P
[02:33] mscdex: another difference was i thought about adding support for plain tcp clients
[02:33] pz__: Well seems you have very specific needs
[02:34] mscdex: perhaps
[02:34] mscdex: there's also some design differences too :)
[02:35] pz__: Well I find it convenient, just send objects from one side to the other
[02:35] SubStack: convenience!
[02:35] pz__: Encodes and decodes without me needing to step in
[02:36] SubStack: objects are cool, but you know what's cooler? functions
[02:36] pz__: They are objects
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[02:55] ron_frown: ladies
[02:56] ron_frown: any news on node native on win32/64?
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[02:57] ryah: ron_frown: it's being worked on
[02:57] ryah: sponsored even
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[02:58] ron_frown: nice!
[02:58] ron_frown: I know a few months ago a guy her was helping out there
[02:58] ryah: that said - we're going for a very good port - it will take some months
[02:58] ryah: (very good = uses IOCP backend)
[02:58] ron_frown: that a good thing
[02:58] ron_frown: I can wait for quality
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[02:58] ryah: piscisaureus is the dude leading the charge
[02:58] ron_frown: yep
[02:59] ryah: so, hopefully by the end of summer we're going to be a well supported platform there.
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[02:59] sh1mmer: ryah: iocp like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input/output_completion_port
[02:59] ryah: i want to even have .exe downloads on the nodejs.org site
[02:59] ron_frown: are there any packages to kinda handle abuse attempts?
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[02:59] ryah: sh1mmer: yes
[02:59] ron_frown: eg, I got my stuff working and have it handling basic exceptions
[03:00] ron_frown: but would like to put in more abuse prevention
[03:00] ron_frown: eg, automatic anti-ddos et
[03:00] sh1mmer: ryah: so iocp manages all of the concurrency in the kernel?
[03:00] ryah: sh1mmer: it's an i/o api
[03:00] ryah: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms687028(v=vs.85).aspx 
[03:00] ryah: ^-- real docs start here
[03:00] sh1mmer: weird it's in windows and solaris
[03:01] sh1mmer: seems kinda random
[03:01] ryah: i don't know if it's actusally in solaris
[03:01] ryah: 
ACTION looks

[03:01] sh1mmer: http://developers.sun.com/solaris/articles/event_completion.html
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[03:02] ryah: 
ACTION was grepping /usr/include - i guess i should have googled

[03:02] ryah: yeah, it's not the same API
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[03:02] ryah: i kind of want to port it to unix :)
[03:03] ryah: (port to libev - would be more accurate)
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[03:03] sh1mmer: I had a really nice time in sweden
[03:03] sh1mmer: I met interesting erlang people
[03:03] ryah: oh yeah - you went there this weekend.
[03:03] ryah: hah
[03:04] sh1mmer: dyncon was actually really rad
[03:04] ryah: mr jetset
[03:04] sh1mmer: we had some 3-way clojure/erlang/node discussions
[03:04] ryah: sounds fun
[03:04] sh1mmer: although the guy that invented erlang totally didn't get teh event loop at all
[03:04] ryah: i would have liked to particpate in that
[03:04] ryah: joe armstrong?
[03:05] sh1mmer: yeah
[03:05] chilts: I guess there were lots of Nokia people there then?
[03:05] ryah: i find that hard to believe
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[03:05] sh1mmer: he was insisting that it was impossible to deal with multiple async actions in javascript
[03:05] sh1mmer: when it's really a very simple pattern
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[03:05] sh1mmer: he just didn't seem to understand callbacks
[03:05] ryah: hm
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[03:05] sh1mmer: he couldn't understand it to do it without continuations
[03:06] sh1mmer: but he also seemed very impatient
[03:06] sh1mmer: so I'll send him some code
[03:07] ryah: i think he must know very much about this in order to build erlang. probably the topic was lost in translation.
[03:07] sh1mmer: perhaps.
[03:07] sh1mmer: his english was excellent
[03:08] ryah: (not to say he doesn't know english well - just that sometimes it's difficult to speak of technical things - sometimes people have special words for things that don't exist in other programming communities)
[03:08] ryah: s/[()]//g
[03:08] pquerna: hmm? event ports isn't iocompletion is it really?
[03:09] pquerna: i spent all weekend at pycon.. where there were lots of callback hating
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[03:09] pquerna: go go coroutintes and eventlet/gevent etc
[03:10] ryah: people just don't see the light yet. soon.
[03:10] ryah: i think we have some more work to do.
[03:10] ryah: but it's not far off.
[03:10] tmzt_: anybody know how to have an objectid, eitehr a small integer or real (encoded) object id in child objects in mongo?
[03:10] ryah: they don't understand the process thing.
[03:10] ryah: that we expect them to use many.
[03:11] pquerna: well, much of that assumes an easy to use message passing system
[03:11] pquerna: at least for a certain class of apps
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[03:11] ryah: pquerna: IOCP API on libev?
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[03:11] ryah: i.e. on epoll
[03:11] ryah: would be awesome, i think.
[03:11] pquerna: +1
[03:12] ryah: then node can just target that.
[03:12] pquerna: i meant event ports in solaris doens't do that really
[03:12] pquerna: its somewhere like kqueue.. but.. special.
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[03:13] adamvandenhoven: I have a question about node&express if someone has a moment.  TJ Holowaychuk  pointed me at express's configuration but I can't figure out how to reference the configuration in a separate file that will be require'd in the app.js. can anyone point me in the right direction? 
[03:13] mikegerwitz: ryah et. al.: Does v8 provide any sort of API for tracking memory usage of individual objects that could be exposed to node, that you are aware of? 
[03:15] ryah: mikegerwitz: yes - look at ObjectWrap in node_object.h
[03:16] ryah: mikegerwitz: if you subclass that you can get a destructor
[03:16] mikegerwitz: ryah: Excellent, thanks :) Was just looking for a starting point
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[03:39] timv: hey guys, i've a question about socket.io
[03:41] timv: using the server.js example in the git repo, i want to call io.broadcast() from within the 'server' object request handler. is that possible?
[03:42] timv: when i try it i get what appears to be an infinite loop (request never completes)
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[03:43] timv: not sure what i'm doing wrong, but i couldn't find any examples of doing this (calling Listener.broadcast() from outside of a Listener event handler)
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[03:51] malkomalko: has anyone had problems with formidable/connect-form with express 2?
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[05:07] jgautier: anybody have experience with node-serialport? i tried to set the buffersize to 1 but the buffer i receive as the 'data' is more then one byte
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[05:13] Qbix: hey guys
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[05:38] fusspawn: anyone like spaceships and got 30 seconds to help test something?
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[05:44] ParadoxQuine: anyone at learnboost here?
[05:44] jgautier: anyone her eused EventEmitter?
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[05:52] tonymilne: Has anyone else been getting "Can't use mutable header APIs after sent" with Express 2 rc?
[05:52] ParadoxQuine: nope but i was only developing with it for about an hour today
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[05:54] jetienne: anyone not asking anything ? :)
[05:54] tonymilne: OK. *boggles*
[05:54] tonymilne: It's working now, and the only thing I think i did was drop my mongodb collection.
[05:56] ParadoxQuine: weird issue
[05:57] tonymilne: (turns out, it wasn't fixed... i commented it out and was returning something simpler) :S
[05:58] ParadoxQuine: ahh
[05:59] tonymilne: But, i think I narrowed it down to a badly formed mongodb condition
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[06:05] ParadoxQuine: if anyone from learnboost / tj comes on, the stylus docs are down
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[06:42] piscisaureus: 
ACTION Good mornin' (back on eu time)

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[06:56] GriffenJBS: jgautier: still playing with serial?
[06:57] GriffenJBS: jgautier: I'm trying to figure out why you want to read one byte at a time, if you don't want it all right now, store the buffer for later
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[07:16] rudolfrck: Anyone know if a git client for node exists?
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[07:21] AAA_awright: rudolfrck: Yeah, google libgit2
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[07:24] rudolfrck: AAA_awright: Thanks. Wasn't quite what I hoped for, but still. Have you used C bindings in node.js before?
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[07:24] AAA_awright: rudolfrck: They're not uncommon, or even hard to compile
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[07:25] AAA_awright: So yeah
[07:25] AAA_awright: I use 3-4
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[07:28] rudolfrck: AAA_awright: got any pointers to get me started on it?
[07:29] AAA_awright: rudolfrck: What exactly
[07:29] AAA_awright: Read the README
[07:30] rudolfrck: I was thinking more in general about C bindings
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[07:30] AAA_awright: rudolfrck: It should be something like `node-waf configure; node-waf` to compile the ./module.node binary module
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[07:30] AAA_awright: rudolfrck: If you're looking to write a binary module, good luck, it's woefully underdocumented
[07:31] rudolfrck: AAA_awright: so you're saying I can compile it and use it directly in node.js without much effort?
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[07:31] rudolfrck: https://github.com/libgit2/node-gitteh
[07:32] AAA_awright: Yeah that's it
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[07:32] AAA_awright: I'm planning on using that but I haven't yet
[07:32] AAA_awright: rudolfrck: Do you have the .node module?
[07:33] rudolfrck: gitteh you mean? Not yet.
[07:34] AAA_awright: rudolfrck: How long is the compile taking?
[07:34] AAA_awright: It shouldn't be more than a second or two
[07:35] rudolfrck: I'll try to compile it right now
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[07:37] rudolfrck: AAA_awright: that seemed to work quite well
[07:37] AAA_awright: kk
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[07:37] rudolfrck: thanks!
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[07:57] aways|bnc: 
ACTION Hi all

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[08:31] Zero_Dogg: Hi, is there any way to have node just run in a main loop and not exit at all until process.exit() is called? I'm doing some jsdom stuff, but it appears to exit before I'm done (two pages, one linking to the other, first works, but it appears to exit during the second)
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[08:33] piscisaureus: Zero_Dog: just do setInterval(function(){}, 1000000)
[08:33] SubStack: Zero_Dogg: node only exits when there is no more stuff to do
[08:33] piscisaureus: ^- not a recommended practive
[08:33] SubStack: if node is exiting then nothing else is going to happen
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[08:33] SubStack: unless you're trying to register events with process.on('exit', fn) or some edge-case like that
[08:34] piscisaureus: +1 for listening to SubStack :-)
[08:35] Zero_Dogg: SubStack: that's odd, as I have a method that gets called whenever one jsdom finishes processing, but it doesn't get called. Guess there's a bug somewhere then, I'll poke around. Thanks
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[08:36] Zero_Dogg: duh, it was. facepalm. Thanks
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[08:40] alessio_alex: hello guys
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[08:47] [AD]Turbo: hi there
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[08:51] alessio_alex: I'm having trouble with installing Node.js on cygwin (on windows)
[08:51] alessio_alex: could somebody help me with this?
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[08:59] JojoTheBoss: allessio_alex: whats the problem?
[08:59] alessio_alex: cygwin is really pissing me off
[09:00] alessio_alex: I try to install it with wget but I can't
[09:00] alessio_alex: I've installed Node.js on linux perfectly and not I want to install it on windows also
[09:00] alessio_alex: It's driving me a little crazy
[09:00] JojoTheBoss: hrmmm
[09:00] alessio_alex: I've installed and reinstalled cygwin 3-4 times now
[09:01] JojoTheBoss: following the wiki I assume?
[09:01] alessio_alex: sure..
[09:01] JojoTheBoss: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Building-node.js-on-Cygwin-%28Windows%29
[09:02] alessio_alex: already have that link
[09:02] alessio_alex: couldn't install
[09:02] JojoTheBoss: at what point do you get the wget error?
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[09:03] alessio_alex: well actually I just wanted to get it so I can install stuff like on Linux
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[09:05] JojoTheBoss: just a moment. gonna try to update my cygwin and see if I have any trouble
[09:05] alessio_alex: ok
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[09:06] JojoTheBoss: ohhh
[09:06] JojoTheBoss: hehe
[09:06] JojoTheBoss: I'm already running v0.5.0-pre
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[09:06] JojoTheBoss: didnt think I updated it recently
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[09:26] jasondavies: anyone come across a "no input files" error when running ./configure?
[09:27] jasondavies: I've installed g++ etc. but it says it can't configure a cxx compiler
[09:27] piscisaureus: JojoTheBoss: you should be using the v0.4 branch, v0.5 is actually behind that
[09:28] jasondavies: I'm running RHEL 4
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[09:29] piscisaureus: jasondavies: I don't know much about Linux, and forget about RHEL
[09:29] piscisaureus: jasondavies: But you should look at build/config.log
[09:30] Evet: piscisaureus: what is your os?
[09:30] NinjaFox: whats the best db to use with node? is mysql worth using or should i look at couch or mongo?
[09:31] piscisaureus: Evet: windows
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[09:31] jasondavies: piscisaureus: thanks, here's the log but nothing interesting in it: http://friendpaste.com/1QdL1NdsTBu5kMCab0syXu
[09:31] piscisaureus: jasondavies: so it is looking for icpc
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[09:31] jasondavies: here's the output from ./configure: http://friendpaste.com/4p8DS7fQ4eMOB7b3BfTc8X
[09:32] jasondavies: piscisaureus: aha...
[09:32] Evet: piscisaureus: did you compile nodejs with cygwin?
[09:32] piscisaureus: Evet: yes, also.
[09:32] Evet: NinjaFox: did you try with mingw and clang too?
[09:33] NinjaFox: have not evet, im php/mysql usually so looking for some incite into whats available
[09:33] Evet: sorry
[09:33] Evet: piscisaureus: did you try with mingw and clang too?
[09:33] Evet: NinjaFox: redis and mongodb is okay
[09:33] NinjaFox: cheers
[09:34] piscisaureus: Evat: mingw, yes, I'm working on that
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[09:34] piscisaureus: Evet, clang, what's that?
[09:34] Evet: NinjaFox: i prefer redis since its BSDish
[09:34] Evet: piscisaureus: llvm
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[09:35] Evet: piscisaureus: how is mingw performance?
[09:35] Evet: *with nodejs
[09:35] piscisaureus: Evet: heh. Performance of what exactly ?
[09:35] piscisaureus: :-)
[09:35] piscisaureus: Evet: sockets seem to be better than with cygwin
[09:35] Evet: piscisaureus: socket io
[09:36] Evet: hmm
[09:36] piscisaureus: Evet: but I'm trying to switch to iocp that should make it a whole lot better
[09:36] piscisaureus: Evet: but you shouldn't really be using mingw right now
[09:36] jasondavies: piscisaureus: icpc is not a requirement, it's only searching for that because the cxx search fails
[09:36] Evet: piscisaureus: what is iocp, libev equivalent?
[09:38] piscisaureus: Evet: iocp is the windows async io framework
[09:38] piscisaureus: jasondavies: well if you ask me, it does detect g++. But sorry I can't help you.
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[09:39] Evet: piscisaureus: sounds great
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[09:40] jasondavies: g++ version 3.4.6, I wonder if node.js requires a better version, hmm
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[09:40] piscisaureus: no 3.4.6 should be ok
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[09:45] piscisaureus: nvm. tweet.
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[10:13] vilhonen_: what's the best library combo for web scraping currently?
[10:14] vilhonen_: I tried with jsdom & jquery as described here http://blog.nodejitsu.com/jsdom-jquery-in-5-lines-on-nodejs but my jsdom.jQueryify's callback gets never called
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[10:14] vilhonen_: using node 0.4.2 and latest stable versions of request and jsdom
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[10:15] JimBastard: npm install colors
[10:15] JimBastard:  console.log('he comes...'.zalgo.rainbow);
[10:15] JimBastard: ftw
[10:17] zemanel: JimBastard: yo hows it going
[10:17] JimBastard: slow and steady zemanel 
[10:17] JimBastard: :-D
[10:17] V1: oh nice typo JimBastard  ;)
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[10:17] zemanel: like a boss
[10:17] JimBastard: V1: hrmmm?
[10:17] V1: o
[10:17] V1: nvm
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[10:17] JimBastard: you cant defeat rainbow zalgo
[10:18] JimBastard: you guys seen http://githits.met
[10:18] JimBastard: errr
[10:18] JimBastard: you guys seen http://githits.me
[10:18] JimBastard: someone finally built github rankings site around that data
[10:18] JimBastard: its still a little buggy, but patch tomorrow should get nodejitsu listed :-D
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[10:29] zemanel: JimBastard: is it yours?
[10:30] JimBastard: zemanel: githits? no
[10:30] zemanel: ah
[10:30] JimBastard: but ive been talking with the author a little, getting it fixed
[10:31] zemanel: what have you been working on
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[10:35] saschagehlich: what is the biggest project running on node.js?
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[10:36] saschagehlich: like the biggest website
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[10:38] zemanel: http://nodejitsu.com/
[10:38] zemanel: :P
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[10:38] V1: pobably github with it's nodeload / download server
[10:38] floby: isn't learnboos fully nodejs ?
[10:39] floby: learnboost *
[10:39] V1: ithink github > learnboost in node.js deployment
[10:40] floby: I read about this, what do they do with node at github exactly?
[10:40] V1: But than again, the bigger project running node.js would probably be HP which deploys Node.js in the WebOS platform. Or Joyent with the No.De hosting 
[10:41] V1: When you download tars / zips on github, all of that is handled by node.js floby 
[10:41] floby: V1: right I remember now. thanks.
[10:41] zemanel: didnt scrab.ly wo the nodeko?
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[10:42] zemanel: http://scrabb.ly/
[10:43] V1: sure they won, but it's not big
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[10:46] piscisaureus: saschagehlich: cloud9ide.com maybe?
[10:47] saschagehlich: hmm
[10:47] saschagehlich: never heard of cloud9ide
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[10:48] piscisaureus: pretty awesome, it lets you code & debug in your browser. works very well with node
[10:48] maf: I just got my cloud9ide account
[10:48] maf: I've not used it yet.
[10:48] maf: I didn't know that piscisaureus - that you can code and debug in your browser
[10:49] maf: I better start using it !  
[10:49] gaYak: Does it have autocomplete? ;)
[10:49] gaYak: (does any IDE for javascript..?)
[10:50] floby: gaYak: Eclipse does, but I think eclipse is a pain.
[10:50] maf: funny how such a simple innovation 'autocomplete'  can influence civilization so profoundly.
[10:50] gaYak: floby: Eclipse is always pain ;)
[10:50] maf: I'm back to notepad++ myself.  no autocomplete though.
[10:50] gaYak: maf: It makes bad coders effective! ;)
[10:50] floby: gaYak: thanks for agreeing :D I use vim with snipmate, sometimes the built-in word completion
[10:51] gaYak: snipmate?
[10:51] maf: gay- naw !  There ARE occasions where autocomplete picks something I didn't want.
[10:51] gaYak: (I've used vim as well for all my javascripts for now)
[10:51] maf: is it vim ? that is forever in the war with emacs ? 
[10:51] gaYak: maf: Of course, but it's often handy when there's new library.
[10:51] maf: er, wait, that's vi or something.
[10:51] gaYak: maf: vim = vi.. just a clone
[10:52] floby: gaYak: an equivalent to snippets in textmate. you type a keyword, say 'req' and then TAB. then it expands it to var $name = require('$name'); and ask you to fill in the holes
[10:52] V1: gaYak: Dreamweaver does :)
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[10:52] maf: I used to use this 'lse' on a vax- I don't use vi/m or emacs, but boy oh boy- people love those tools - again, something so SIMPLE as an editor can influence civilization so profoundly as to productivity.
[10:53] floby: gaYak: not quite true: vim > vi > ... >emacs
[10:53] gaYak: floby: Never used textmate..
[10:53] gaYak: floby: And I kinda like emacs.. k�h.. oops ;)
[10:53] maf: too bad humans don't have 'editors' for their mind.    "Oh no, I hit select ALL and delete and then it crashed, can I get it back ?"
[10:53] floby: gaYak: neither have I but this feature is cool. check out snipmate on vim.org and enjoy.
[10:53] gaYak: maf: Yeah, or undo feature.. ;)
[10:54] gaYak: floby: Yeah, will do, looks promising
[10:54] piscisaureus: yes yes (emacs ^^ node) &~ vim + emacs > (windows - linux * bsd['free']) etc
[10:55] gaYak: Awesome, war! ;)
[10:55] maf: I'm not using node.js YET - I DID just clear off my pr0n for some space on a separate drive for ubuntu so I could finally use VirtualBox on a sep. drive, figured if I use same drive as parent  OS it would be busy busy busy...   BUT the reason I LIKE this channel ? node.js is innovative - I love creativity, and for the most part ? some of the smartest people on freenode in my opinion. 
[10:55] floby: gaYak: well I find the vi/emacs war much more interesting than a Apple/Microsoft war
[10:55] maf: seems the hardest core geeks are here, well - then there is the #scheme channel heh
[10:55] gaYak: scheme.. it's been a while since I coded scheme last time :(
[10:55] squeeks: "hardest core geeks", gee thanks, I went to art school.
[10:55] gaYak: Actually, I'm happy it's been ~8 years.
[10:56] floby: squeeks: I'm still in art school !
[10:56] gaYak: But then again, maybe it's a language for people who're smarter thanme
[10:56] piscisaureus: Yes I am a public policy student. Where are the hardcore geeks? :-)
[10:56] maf: I have been sharing this page I read in an introduction recently - DO check it out - I live by this.. I especially keep it in mind anytime I find myself in any corporate setting with foreign technologies and terms ->  http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book-Z-H-3.html
[10:56] maf: tell me what you think perhaps...
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[10:57] gaYak: maf: I have that book in covers at home..
[10:57] maf: I find those sentences so refreshing to always remember - keep it fun - and I do like the 'bible salesman' comment - heh, I know people like that - dry- boring - and when they get home ? they probably don't even have a PC even if they are making $150k a year as some project directory in an IT setting. 
[10:57] gaYak: Don't think I've ever read it though
[10:58] mscdex: node.js rules!
[10:58] maf: gaYak- you win.  I only can afford free version online, it's like $80 or so for the book. 
[10:58] sth: Except for when it causes a kernel panic like it did earlier :D
[10:58] maf: GaYak - watch the course lecture videos - they're great.
[10:58] maf: I'll get you a link if you want.
[10:58] gaYak: maf: I bought it used when I went to my first Scheme lectures
[10:59] floby: sth: kernel panics are fun. you get a cowsay if you look with attention
[10:59] maf: http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures/
[10:59] maf: the first 10 seconds of lecture 1a is worth it for the music and the cover of the book -lol
[10:59] mscdex: oh teh noez! scheme!
[11:00] maf: but he writes 'computer science' on the board, then he crosses out 'computer' saying it's not really to much to do with computers, then he crosses out 'science' - 
[11:00] mscdex: then he sets the board on fire
[11:00] maf: gaYak - or, you go to MIT ? or went ? 
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[11:03] gaYak: maf: Nope, HUT (Helsinki University of Technology) in Finland
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[11:08] johndahlstrom: I am trying to get the most optimal input matching for a game I'm working on and would want to know what you think.
[11:08] johndahlstrom: Currently I use an event called "command". When someone sends a line to the game, this is emitted and sends with it the whole input line in a callback. In return the listener does a string.match and grabs any necessary matches etc and THEN executes a function if it was a correct match.
[11:08] johndahlstrom: What makes this to not be as simple as I'd want, is that commands will most likely have to be matched with a regexp pattern somehow since they might contain things like a name from an online player and sometimes even starting with one.
[11:08] johndahlstrom: Anyway, I'd just like to check if there's anyone who have a better solution for this? Be it more elegent code or perhaps somehow enable regexp event listeners.
[11:09] SubStack: you could just pass around json objects
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[11:10] SubStack: then you can match the command exactly
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[11:13] SubStack: johndahlstrom: also I wrote an rpc system called dnode that does this all for you automatically
[11:13] viktors: hi. are there any javascript toolkits which play well with node.js? things like showing a notification when a new record was added to data source of data grid, something like nowjs for form validation, etc.
[11:14] viktors: like dojo toolkit but optimized for node.js
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[11:15] johndahlstrom: SubStack: Thanks for the help! I'll look into that.
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[11:21] plainas: hey all
[11:21] plainas: could anybody explain me why/how is node.js specially suited for cloud applications?
[11:22] jetienne:  /msg v8bot v8: jetienne++ <- pff this doesnt work :)
[11:22] viktors: plainas: because EC2 doesn't have latency guarantees
[11:22] jetienne: plainas: it is not. 
[11:23] jetienne: plainas: it is a fast, low on resource implementation of js. 
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[11:23] plainas: viktors, sorry, I fail to understand where you're going :(
[11:25] plainas: jetienne, everybody is bloging about how node.js is the revolution of 'the cloud', the node.js lettering even has a small cloud in it
[11:25] viktors: plainas: node.js excels when you need to request a lot of data from multiple sources simultaneously, and some sources have high latency. For example, multiple database requests can be issued at the same time.
[11:26] jetienne: plainas: ok, sorry i dunno why they blog that
[11:28] mraleph: people use what they like to use.
[11:29] mraleph: and don't use what they don't like to use.
[11:29] mraleph: I think this is the one and only reason people use node.js
[11:31] piscisaureus: mraleph: sometimes I use PHP
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[11:31] V1: omg
[11:31] V1: KB
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[11:31] piscisaureus: mraleph: so this people "01don't use what they don't like to use.01" statement ...
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[11:31] mraleph: piscisaureus: last time I used PHP was 10 years ago in school. Never going to return to it again :-)
[11:32] mraleph: oh I think it is 12 years know
[11:32] piscisaureus: mraleph: I envy you.
[11:32] mraleph: "12 years without PHP and counting"
[11:32] adamt: plainas, well, node does promote a way to seperate things, and make pararellel executions possible, that might be why.
[11:32] NinjaFox: whats wrong with php :o
[11:32] adamt: NinjaFox, what's not wrong with php?
[11:33] mraleph: NinjaFox: http://www.tnx.nl/php.jpg
[11:33] NinjaFox: heh
[11:33] NinjaFox: php has made me quite a bit of money so i have no hate for it
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[11:34] adamt: By the same logic COBOL is an awesome language.
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[11:34] piscisaureus: Yes by the same logic funerals are great
[11:34] jetienne: i skipped perl and im proud of it
[11:34] jetienne: i didnt skip ruby/python/php and this is a pain
[11:34] jetienne: i got node.js now and i can forget them :)
[11:34] squeeks: jetienne: proud of not being more knowledgable in something else?
[11:35] jetienne: squeeks: oh yeah
[11:35] SubStack: perl is pretty worth knowing
[11:35] SubStack: it's more influential than you might suppose
[11:35] adamt: Everything perl can do, python can do cleaner. :)
[11:35] SubStack: false
[11:35] jetienne: less clean than perl is like ... what ? maybe lisp
[11:36] jetienne: lisp is more cryptic than perl
[11:36] SubStack: can't even do lispy functional pipeline style in python
[11:36] SubStack: because guido doesn't understand functional programming is why
[11:36] jetienne: readability is key, i want to code and forget
[11:36] mraleph: holywar incoming :-)
[11:36] adamt: jetienne, maybe you're finding lisp weird because you aren't used to dealing with recursing and functional programming? :)
[11:36] SubStack: PERHAPS
[11:36] jetienne: adamt: no i find it unreadable because crappy syntax
[11:37] adamt: python isn't a purely functional language anyways.
[11:37] jetienne: python is more readable, but got bogus tabs
[11:37] jetienne: and js is like the cleanest ? :)
[11:37] mraleph: o_O
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[11:37] SubStack: adamt: no but python has mutable constructs everywhere and doesn't have a nice way to thread state
[11:37] squeeks: at least perl can be somewhat optional with parenthesis.
[11:38] adamt: jetienne, the syntax is beatiful, especially if you look at how most compilers are built and recognize the similarities. :P
[11:38] piscisaureus: Ok lets update the equation:
[11:38] piscisaureus: 01(emacs ^^ node) &~ vim + emacs > (windows - linux * bsd['free'])01 / (perl || python) + python
[11:38] adamt: that is, the lisp-syntax.
[11:38] SubStack: adamt: in perl or javascript it's not too hard to string together a bunch of list operations, shell-style
[11:39] SubStack: but in python you've either got to uglify your code with a bunch of parenthesis noise or save the intermediate state
[11:39] SubStack: and I HATE intermediate state
[11:39] adamt: SubStack, i'm not saying Python > Perl for all use cases, but Python is a more easily understandable language, and can do what most people expect from a shell-scripting point of view.
[11:39] SubStack: removing points makes programs easier to debug since you can take them apart piece by piece and try them out in the repl
[11:40] SubStack: whereas with more stateful operations you've got to reconstruct the state in order to test and reason about code
[11:40] SubStack: adamt: python definitely gets some things right
[11:41] SubStack: most of that overlaps with javascript, incidentally
[11:41] adamt: Yeah. But they also do lots of things weirdly.
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[11:41] SubStack: I don't care much for the __noise__
[11:41] SubStack: it is a rather novel way to do operators but it seems half-baked at times
[11:42] adamt: when talking about noise, functions named __foo__ :(
[11:42] SubStack: if only in python you could do [].len instead of len([]), and likewise for map, filter, reduce
[11:42] adamt: def __init__(self,bleh): just isn't pretty
[11:42] SubStack: that plus multiline lambdas in python and I would be super content
[11:42] adamt: yeah, it's very silly that stuff like len(..)  is needed.
[11:42] squeeks: I'm sorry, str.join()?
[11:43] jetienne: btw tell those language designers... "hey you forgot about destructor" :)
[11:43] jetienne: they all do ctor, but no dtor
[11:43] jetienne: oriented object ftw
[11:43] adamt: jetienne, false
[11:43] SubStack: it's sometimes nice to hook onto the GC for cleaning up files and hackish stuff
[11:43] jetienne: adamt: which language got dtor ?
[11:43] SubStack: especially where foreign interfaces are concerned
[11:43] jetienne: adamt: i know of c++ but none else
[11:44] squeeks: perl.
[11:44] jetienne: arf :) unfair
[11:44] SubStack: 
ACTION has done quite a lot of python and perl programming

[11:44] adamt: __del__ in python perhaps, jetienne ?
[11:44] piscisaureus: jetienne: java finalize?
[11:44] SubStack: ruby, haskell, and javascript round out my top 5
[11:45] jetienne: adamt: piscisaureus: ok i stand corrected
[11:45] SubStack: I sometimes miss ruby's grab-bag approach in the core types
[11:45] adamt: also, python got something similar to blocks in ruby that in many cases can remove the need for a destructor
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[11:45] SubStack: if only there were a better way to achieve the same ends
[11:46] SubStack: adamt: oh?
[11:47] SubStack: I recall some wonky new syntax that was highly specific and hard to repurpose for more general programming
[11:47] SubStack: that seems to be how most python features turn out
[11:47] SubStack: with() or something?
[11:47] adamt: can't remember what it's called, but i think it's from 2.6 or so, where you can do stuff like open a file, do voodoo with it, and it'll get closed after the code finishes because it's like a ruby block. but clearly it can't be used for the same as __del__, but good thing __del__ exists then. :P
[11:48] adamt: yeah i think that's it
[11:48] SubStack: yeah it requires some __voodo__
[11:48] SubStack: on the objects you want to wrap
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[11:50] adamt: clearly offtopic, but do anybody know a quick and dirty way to run a command on a linux box just before the login-shell is shown?
[11:51] SubStack: the login shell is configurable
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[11:55] adamt: laters.
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[12:06] stephank|: Has anyone tried to replicate the NPM registry? Futon on isaacs.couchone.com seems to be responsive, but my replication task is dead slow and errors frequently.
[12:06] stephank|: Errors like "db_not_found", or "json_encode", or "http_request_failed".
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[12:23] V1: stephank|: Maybe dl a backup first, and sync with the master later
[12:24] V1: CouchDB replication isn't the best at a full sync
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[12:30] stephank|: V1: Sounds great! Where do I find a backup of the registry?
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[12:36] plainas: ok, my question originate a bit of language zealotery which is the kind of discussion i am not interested in... adam mentioned that node.js "promotes a way to separate things and make paralel executions possible"
[12:36] plainas: could anyone explain me this in a bit more detail?
[12:39] jetienne: plainas: this is about the async part. let me find the slides
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[12:40] jetienne: http://pfleidi.github.com/slides-async-nodejs cant find better :(
[12:40] plainas: ok, thank you, brb
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[12:42] baudehlo: the nice thing about node.js is everyone is writing async code.
[12:42] jetienne: http://nodejs.org/#about plainas in this section, you got the motivation for events io. http://www.kegel.com/c10k.html http://bulk.fefe.de/scalable-networking.pdf
[12:42] baudehlo: so it's just generally understood that libraries need to be async.
[12:42] jetienne: plainas: and 2 slides deck + video
[12:42] baudehlo: this was my problem writing the async version of qpsmtpd - none of the perl libraries really care about being async.
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[12:45] adamt: yeah, being async from the beginning really must be easier for library developers, compared to rewriting a lot of modules for an already existing language.
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[12:47] dune: plainas: This article provides a couple simple analogy for understanding the benefits of event based i/o http://code.danyork.com/2011/01/25/node-js-doctors-offices-and-fast-food-restaurants-understanding-event-driven-programming/
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[12:50] SeyZ: hello world o/
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[13:01] fusspawn: Hello SeyZ o/
[13:01] SeyZ: \o/
[13:04] fusspawn: Anyone got 30 seconds and like gameart/randomly generated spaceships? All you need is a modern webbrowser (websockets/canvas)
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[13:07] dune: I like spaceships
[13:07] unomi: fusspawn, url?
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[13:08] jetienne: fusspawn: here
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[13:08] fusspawn: one sec, doing last push. 
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[13:11] fusspawn: http://testing.duostack.net:9980/pages/spacegen.html  - Looks like hell i know, the spaceships rendered with a green box have been generated dynamicaly on your browser. the ones without have just been created by someone else.
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[13:12] fusspawn: I see other spaceships <3
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[13:12] jetienne: fusspawn: your work is the icon on top ?
[13:13] jetienne: The Spaceships below are sent from the server in realtime as you are other web browsers are viewing this page and generating new spaceships.	 <- i don see anything below.. chrome stable
[13:13] jetienne: correction i got them now. needed to relanch browser
[13:13] fusspawn: Yup, Limited to 1/sec, there all saved as dataurls in a mongodb instance. intend to use them in a webgame.
[13:13] shaunau: url?
[13:14] fusspawn: http://testing.duostack.net:9980/pages/spacegen.html
[13:14] shaunau: cheers
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[13:14] fusspawn: np, Gets me more art :P
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[13:15] fusspawn: I suck at drawing, And need a large amount of art for a project. I figured this was a good way to do it.
[13:15] dune: fusspawn: seems to be working for me in Chrome and Safari. FF 3.6 not so much. Running OS X.
[13:15] jetienne: fusspawn: what is the greensquare
[13:16] fusspawn: Means its one your browser has created.
[13:16] shaunau: sweet
[13:16] fusspawn: @dune, Thanks ive only tested in chrome so far.
[13:16] dune: Gotcha
[13:16] shaunau: runs like a champ on my macbook air - safari
[13:17] fusspawn: Neat, Im kinda happy. Im running it here on a netbook with no lag <3
[13:17] shaunau: i think "MY" spaceships look the best ;)
[13:17] shaunau: way better than everyone elses..
[13:18] shaunau: good work fusspawn
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[13:19] fusspawn: I cant take much of the credit, most of the hardwork was done for me. http://www.davebollinger.com/works/pixelspaceships/   "The Spaceship Generator Code"
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[13:19] fusspawn: Most of my time was getting it running under processing.js and adding the websockets/backend/bigger window part.
[13:20] fusspawn: Also, Processing.js is fast ;o
[13:20] floby: runs fine on my EeePC running ubuntu 10.10
[13:20] floby: chromium
[13:20] floby: I do get a lag every 5 seconds or so
[13:20] shaunau: fusspawn - nothing wrong with that man, we all need to stand on the shoulders of others sometimes :)
[13:21] fusspawn: Either way, Im supprised its not crashing. and i need caffine, brb
[13:21] fusspawn: Cheers for testing all.
[13:21] shaunau: floby - that's just your crappy machine :P
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[13:21] floby: shaunau: oh you
[13:21] shaunau: heheh
[13:21] fusspawn: netbooks can run it, even this horrid win7 one manages it ;p 
[13:21] shaunau: not to mention ubuntu.. right, ;)
[13:21] floby: shaunau: Desmond is the best laptop I ever had, but it has had some problems lately with the Atom processor
[13:22] shaunau: fusspawn - i was just takin the piss
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[13:22] floby: shaunau: you forgot to say that chromium is slower than chrome :D
[13:23] shaunau: :)
[13:23] shaunau: alright, time to go. later y'all :)
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[13:24] floby: netbooks can run pretty amazing things
[13:24] floby: let me get a hand on the WebGL demo I saw yesterday
[13:25] jmar777: not a node.js question per se, but are there any compelling reasons to always include a new line after a json response? i've seen some do it, and some don't.
[13:25] floby: there it is http://helloracer.com/webgl/
[13:26] floby: jmar777: I do it. it's because JSON doesn't need newlines. so newlines can be used to separate different JSON objects
[13:26] fusspawn: Three.js:242Error creating WebGL context.  <3 I Hate winfails crappy intelgma drivers.
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[13:28] mscdex: there's not enough room to back up to 88!
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[13:28] jmar777: floby: k. i have noticed when streaming multiple json objects to various clients (tested in multiple browsers and curl) that new lines were required for it to actually incrementally print the objects. otherwise it just waits til the connection closes
[13:29] jmar777: floby: i was just wondering if there was a similar effect in certain situations with a single object as well
[13:29] malkomalko: is there anyway to catch EPIPES? we're finding really randomly our streams are throwing that and I don't know how to catch it
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[13:30] GriffenJBS: malkomalko: can you pastebin code?
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[13:30] mscdex: jmar777: probably just the way it buffers json
[13:31] malkomalko: one minute
[13:31] floby: jmar777: it's technically possible to count the '{' and corresponding '}' but it's way easier to just wait for a newline
[13:32] floby: fusspawn: awwwh, intel GMA :D
[13:33] fusspawn: My othermachine is acient but at least had a nvidia 6800gt in it, but the processor is slower. Its a useless lose/lose situation >.>
[13:33] floby: jmar777: not mentionning the possibility of getting incorrect json
[13:34] mscdex: i used to have a 6800gt before i upgraded
[13:34] floby: fusspawn: when I chose this laptop two of the criteria where, it must have a Atom processor, it must have a Nvidia ION
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[13:34] floby: I have a 8600gt on my desktop computer... close enough
[13:34] mscdex: yuck, atom!
[13:34] mscdex: :P
[13:35] floby: mscdex: I was looking for a computer that cost less than 350€ (in France)
[13:35] fusspawn: Ions where expensive when i got this. Gma 950 / Atom Something or other.
[13:35] fusspawn: were*
[13:36] floby: I looked at GMA too because most of the machine with ION were more expensive. But this 12" EeePC was a good deal. 326€ at the time. My only regret is that it only has 1Go of memory
[13:37] fusspawn: Now to see if theres a processing runtime for android. Everything needs an android client.     I swapped oit the 1gb stick for 2gb. Helped a ton.
[13:37] jmar777: floby: ya - i wrote a json.org-compliant streaming json parser for framing an input stream a few months back... and then realized that it was already framed by new lines :\
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[13:38] jmar777: floby: not that it was a huge under taking, but at the end of the day i couldn't even justify using it cause of the overhead lol
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[13:40] floby: jmar777: it's pretty hard to stream json. the smallest division is the object, it can't get any smaller
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[13:46] dans_: I'm looking at experimenting with node, in particular some kind of flexible framework to build around....but there seems so many choices
[13:46] squeeks: express.
[13:46] dans_: is there one in particular which is rising above the others in terms of popularity?
[13:47] floby: dans_: haha you got your answer before asking the question
[13:48] dune: dans_:http://expressjs.com/guide.html
[13:49] squeeks: dans_: hi, I can read your mind. Stop thinking about doing that to your co-worker, that's gross.
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[13:49] dans_: heh
[13:50] dans_: express it is :) thanks guys
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[13:53] dans_: squeeks, you wouldnt say that if you'd seen my co-worker
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[13:57] floby: dans_: he did mention it was gross 
[13:58] hobs: heh
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[13:59] V1: Hi joris_ 
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[14:00] msilverman2: Good morning all. We are using node 0.2.6 and will be for a little while longer. We're having a problem with request 1.2.0 where it is not letting go of socket connections. Over time, node gets jammed up because of all the open resources. So, I wanted to try going straight to http. Here's a gist: https://gist.github.com/870740
[14:00] joris_: Hallo Arnout :-)
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[14:01] msilverman2: It is working from the perspective of not leaking sockets, BUT every now and then we are seeing an "Error: EPIPE, Broken pipe" uncaught exception.
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[14:02] msilverman2: Has anyone out there seen anything like this?
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[14:05] dans_: does nvm use any version control? so i dont have to sudo install everything
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[14:25] piscisaureus_: 
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[14:25] Know1edge1: morning guys
[14:25] Know1edge1: Anyone recommend a good book on node?
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[14:27] DoNaLd`: Know1edge1: there no exist book about node .. this is still beta development platform .. so it is not clear defnitive format of version 1.0
[14:27] floby: I think someone is writing one at Joyent though
[14:28] mikegerwitz: sh1mmer is writing one..not sure if the draft is available yet
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[14:30] nefariousD: can anyone recommend a decent web based project management app/system? preferably open source or something with a free option.. maybe similar to basecamp
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[14:31] unomi: assembla.com
[14:32] unomi: nefariousD, free for opensource projects etc
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[14:33] Know1edge1: nefariousD:  I use projectpier
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[14:36] nefariousD: ok cool, thanks guys
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[14:39] piscisaureus_: Know1edge1: DoNaLd`: http://ofps.oreilly.com/titles/9781449398583/index.html
[14:39] mikegerwitz: piscisaureus_: That's the one I was looking for :) thanks
[14:39] Know1edge1: thanks piscisaureus_
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