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[00:01] broofa: Anyone here familiar with Nodes DNS lookup code?  I've got an HTTP load test tool I'm writing that starts spitting "ECONNREFUSED, Could not contact DNS servers" after the 250th http.Client I create.  Any idea what might be causing this?
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[00:03] broofa: (I'm connecting from/to 'localhost', btw, so DNS errors seem a bit odd)
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[00:04] pyrotechnick: broofa: it sounds like a limitation of your OS
[00:05] pquerna: broofa: what os, what dns server?
[00:05] EyePulp: is there a proper/elegant way to implement something akin to a jquery style $.extend() in node?
[00:05] broofa: pyrotechnick: macosx.  weird thing is this was working earlier. had 1,000 connections open. :P
[00:06] pyrotechnick: EyePulp: i think there's an exten in util
[00:07] pyrotechnick: EyePulp: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.3.4/api/util.html#util.inherits
[00:07] pyrotechnick: EyePulp: you can just include jquery in node though
[00:07] pyrotechnick: google it
[00:08] pyrotechnick: there's also underscore etc which have extension and inherits helpers
[00:08] EyePulp: pyrotechnick: I'll look at inherits - I'm hoping to avoid any big inclusions for this somewhat minor need  =)   thanks for the pointer
[00:09] pyrotechnick: just rip it out of jquery then
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[00:09] pyrotechnick: dont be afraid to chop up libraries
[00:09] pyrotechnick: this is node.js after all
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[00:12] dida: any one tried zombie.js?
[00:13] EyePulp: on that front, there is a small version I found here:  http://onemoredigit.com/post/1527191998/extending-objects-in-node-js
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[00:14] EyePulp: pyrotechnick: I'm wondering what the idiom is for manipulating the Object like that in your code and having it be available throughout all my subsequent code.
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[00:14] EyePulp: as in all my sub modules
[00:15] EyePulp: dida: I've looked at it, but not yet tried it
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[00:15] dida: I was just looking how to get started
[00:16] dida: the 'getting started' page still pointing to the main hompeage
[00:16] dida: it's in http://zombie.labnotes.org/guts.html
[00:17] echosystm: how do you get the current time?
[00:17] echosystm: i cant find it in the api
[00:20] murz: not sure, but prbly (new Date).getTime()
[00:20] Tim_Smart: or Date.now()
[00:20] echosystm: cool, thanks
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[00:26] ben_alman: creationix: there?
[00:27] creationix: yep
[00:27] ben_alman: i just need to know the step i'm missing. i've cloned howtonode.org ... do i need to also clone wheat separately?
[00:27] ben_alman: i'm trying to take this all apart to understand it
[00:27] ben_alman: and.. i'm such a noob
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[00:27] creationix: just install wheat with npm
[00:27] CIA-121: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r1f38046 10/ lib/tty.js : 
[00:27] CIA-121: node: tty.open() returns stream instead of slaveFD
[00:27] CIA-121: node: Also is run in its own session. - http://bit.ly/gNIfyH
[00:27] creationix: it's a library
[00:27] ben_alman: oh, i didn't realize
[00:27] ben_alman: hmmn
[00:28] ben_alman: i wanted to hack at it myself and not use it as a library
[00:28] ben_alman: maybe i need a different approach
[00:28] creationix: well, then clone the wheat source and link it
[00:28] creationix: "npm link"
[00:28] creationix: it will install your cloned copy
[00:28] ben_alman: interesting
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[00:29] creationix: or just clone wheat and adjust the require path to go direct to your wheat clone
[00:29] creationix: (the require path in your howtonode.org clone)
[00:29] ben_alman: sure
[00:30] ben_alman: i want to just see what's getting put together here so i can roll my own, somehow
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[00:32] ryah: someone fixed the osx buildbots
[00:32] ryah: thank you - whoever
[00:33] ryah: arlo and pqurena i assume
[00:33] ben_alman: hrmn how can i clone the submodules...
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[00:34] creationix: ben_alman: best to install wheat from npm
[00:34] springmeyer: anyone know how to find all the possible values for process.platform?
[00:34] creationix: that will grab all the deps
[00:34] ben_alman: damn
[00:34] creationix: do you now have npm?
[00:34] kr4fty: hey, does Orlando Vazquez hang out here? (sqlite + node.js)
[00:34] ben_alman: yeah
[00:34] creationix: *not
[00:34] springmeyer: 
ACTION notices only "linux2" and "darwin" are listed at http://nodejs.org/api/process.html#process.platform

[00:34] ben_alman: i have npm
[00:34] creationix: it's ok to have release version of wheat installed, and then link a dev version
[00:34] creationix: I do it all the time
[00:34] ben_alman: ok, cool
[00:35] ben_alman: what i'm trying to do is see what exactly wheat does, to see how i might need to change it
[00:35] ben_alman: or if i need to use something totally different
[00:35] isaacs: ben_alman: npm explore wheat
[00:35] isaacs: ben_alman: to go poke around in the running folder
[00:35] ryah: kr4fty: not usually
[00:36] ben_alman: thanks isaacs
[00:36] kr4fty: ryah: thanks, i'll try e-mailing him.
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[00:42] springmeyer: ah, found it (where process.platform comes from)...
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[00:43] isaacs: springmeyer: it's in tools/wafadmin/Utils.py, I believe
[00:43] springmeyer: tools/wafadmin/Utils.py, which uses python's sys.platform, which in turn uses `uname -s`
[00:43] isaacs: springmeyer: it's set to "win32" on windows, though
[00:43] springmeyer: isaacs: yep, thanks
[00:43] isaacs: and i think there are some other hardcoded ones, right?
[00:43] springmeyer: isaacs: great, thats what I'm wonders
[00:43] springmeyer: er, wondering
[00:44] isaacs: springmeyer: isWindows = process.platform === "win32"
[00:44] springmeyer: also on linux I get "linux" but the docs say "linux2"
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[00:44] springmeyer: linux2 perhaps was pulled from the python sys.platform doc...
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[00:45] piscisaureus: ryah: ?
[00:47] kr4fty: ryah: i am getting this exception from the c++ part of the sqlite driver: node: ../src/database.h:38: virtual Database::~Database(): Assertion `db_ == __null' failed.
[00:48] ryah: piscisaureus: ?
[00:48] kr4fty: ryah: i try closing the database handle and i get an out of memory exception. 
[00:48] kr4fty: has anyone ever reported anything like this?
[00:49] ryah: kr4fty: sorry, can't help you right now
[00:49] kr4fty: alright
[00:50] piscisaureus: ryah!
[00:51] ryah: piscisaureus: ?
[00:51] piscisaureus: ryah: this makes sense to you: https://github.com/piscisaureus/node/commit/e6dd60d8c35f4424f1c755c7e07b1d86dbcc4daa
[00:51] piscisaureus: or is it unclear/inefficient/wrong ?
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[00:52] piscisaureus: s.startTTYWatcher(function() {
[00:52] piscisaureus:   console.log(Array.prototype.slice.call(arguments, 0));
[00:52] piscisaureus: });
[00:52] piscisaureus: [ 'keypress', null, 16, 16 ]
[00:52] piscisaureus: [ 'keypress', 'N', 78, 16 ]
[00:52] piscisaureus: [ 'keypress', 'o', 79, 0 ]
[00:52] piscisaureus: [ 'keypress', 'd', 68, 0 ]
[00:52] piscisaureus: [ 'keypress', 'e', 69, 0 ]
[00:52] piscisaureus: [ 'resize', 30, 80 ]
[00:54] ryah:   RegisterWaitForSingleObject(&tty_wait_handle, hStdin, tty_want_poll, NULL, INFINITE, WT_EXECUTEINWAITTHREAD | WT_EXECUTEONLYONCE);
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[00:55] ryah: what's it do?
[00:55] piscisaureus: it waits for a handle to become signaled (a console handle is signaled if there is data to read)
[00:56] piscisaureus: then it calls the callback (tty_want_poll) from that same thread (as per WT_EXECUTEINWAITTHREAD)
[00:56] ryah: ok
[00:56] piscisaureus: oh I should mention that windows manages separate 'wait threads' that wait for one or more handles
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[00:58] ryah: it seems okay to mee
[00:58] ryah: needs lint
[00:58] piscisaureus: make lint doesn't do it right?
[00:58] kr4fty: 2A:q
[00:59] ryah: python tools/cpplint.py src/node_stdio.cc
[00:59] piscisaureus: :-) thnx
[00:59] piscisaureus: If you don't think this f*cks up your code, I'll go on with it
[00:59] ryah: well - we should attempt the unix side of things before you go much further
[01:00] ryah: but i think it looks okay
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[01:00] piscisaureus: needs some char mapping still. the shift, ctrl, alt bitflags need to be defined
[01:00] ryah: so this will all be internal, or?
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[01:00] piscisaureus: ryah: so long, yeah
[01:00] ryah: also - rather than having a static var with Persistant<Function> 
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[01:00] piscisaureus: should be used by readline
[01:01] ryah: maybe just look at process.binding('stdio').onttyevent
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[01:01] ryah: ?
[01:01] piscisaureus: er,
[01:01] piscisaureus: onttyevent not in my codebase, do I need to rebase?
[01:02] ryah: no, i mean - just look for that function to be defined
[01:02] dida: I can't install base64
[01:02] piscisaureus: ryah: oh.
[01:02] ryah: piscisaureus: know what i mean?
[01:02] ryah: piscisaureus: not so important right now - this is internal api it can change later
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[01:02] dida: "directory does not contain a wscript file" says node-waf configure build
[01:03] dida: what does it mean?
[01:03] piscisaureus: ryah: ok. don't really understand now. iq < 100, sorry, nothing can change that
[01:03] ryah: dida: base64 is kind of built into node now
[01:03] dida: ryah: so?
[01:04] dida: I'm trying to install zombie
[01:04] dida: and use node 0.3.3
[01:04] dida: so may be using node 0.2.6 woud work?
[01:04] dida: it works :)
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[01:15] ben_alman: damn, creationix left
[01:15] ben_alman: anyone here using wheat in their site?
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[01:16] ryah: isaacs: thanks
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[01:17] isaacs: np
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[01:20] Prometheus: ben_alman: when can I expect to start downloading awesome node apps from your website? ;)
[01:20] ben_alman: dude, i'm just trying to wrap my head around anything
[01:20] ben_alman: this is like.. the most frustrating thing ever for me
[01:21] Prometheus: I would think this would be a cakewalk for you :)
[01:21] blowery: ben_alman: could you change your nick? i'm the only ben on the internet. (jk)
[01:21] ben_alman: i get javascript, but i don't really understand many of the node idioms
[01:21] ben_alman: they're somewhat unfamiliar to me
[01:21] ben_alman: not to mention general lack of documentation and unfamiliarity with require / packages / etc
[01:21] ben_alman: blowery: lol, i used to be "cowboy" but had to change that
[01:21] ben_alman: no chance now!
[01:21] ben_alman: :P
[01:21] blowery: hah
[01:22] blowery: maybe i should revisit hilighting on "ben"
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[01:22] blowery: worked fine when adium didn't support irc
[01:22] ben_alman: i just highlight on my nick now
[01:22] ben_alman: and tell ppl if they want me to say my damn nick
[01:22] blowery: rule removed
[01:22] ben_alman: perfect, i'll start idling again
[01:22] blowery: perfect
[01:22] ben_alman: 
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[01:23] warz: so, i recently finished a side project of mine. i used nodejs, socket.io, express and jade. these are all new to me. the only real thing that i require is socket.io, though, and subsequently nodejs. im trying to picture a "production deployment" of this setup.
[01:23] warz: does anyone know of any github repos with simple examples of production deployments of something like this?
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[01:24] warz: would it be advised to just run a nodejs / socket.io service for that portion of the site, and perhaps a few static pages with nginx or something?
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[01:24] warz: like, im debating just powering my pages with python and nginx, since thats what im familiar with, and running nodejs / socket.io on like a subdomain, or something.
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[01:26] SubStack: warz: if you want static pages just use connect or express with staticProvider
[01:26] SubStack: http://expressjs.com/ 
[01:26] warz: yea, thats what im currently doing. its great and all. i guess i just need to get used to it.
[01:26] warz: i was also looking into something you wrote, I think.
[01:26] SubStack: ah cool
[01:26] warz: dnode?
[01:26] warz: the rpc module
[01:27] SubStack: yep that's mine
[01:27] SubStack: it's super fun times
[01:27] warz: cool, yea. i think im going to use it. looks nice.
[01:28] piscisaureus: ryah: use c++ style casts instead?
[01:28] warz: the main thing i need to overcome, still, is the callback nature of all of this. especially when dealing with database queries where i want to do additional queries based on the results of the first one.
[01:28] warz: like, i have one method that has like 10 levels of nesting because of this. =X
[01:28] SubStack: ah yeah
[01:28] SubStack: warz: check out asynchronous flow control libraries for that
[01:29] SubStack: or write your own it's fun!
[01:29] warz: async.js, for example? i was looking at it, but am not sure how to apply it yet. haha.
[01:30] ryah: piscisaureus: pleaes
[01:30] SubStack: I wrote one called seq
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[01:30] SubStack: warz: also check out step
[01:30] SubStack: step is a good one to start with I think because it's super simple
[01:30] warz: ok cool. found it on github. ill check it out
[01:31] arlolra: ryah: freebsd makes me sad http://arlolra.no.de/waterfall/ab-hello-world-buffer-102400/ts/
[01:32] Lorentz: What are the graphs represent?
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[01:33] piscisaureus: ryah: I thought you hated c++ :s
[01:33] warz: SubStack, I feel like I have the tools for success, now. :P
[01:33] SubStack: \o/
[01:34] ryah: arlolra: look at those crazy osx histograms
[01:35] ryah: solaris box looks the best :)
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[01:36] ryah: arlolra: seeing this data is so great
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[01:36] ryah: it does look slow though...
[01:37] ryah: http://buildbot.nodejs.org/bench_graphs/linux32/ab-hello-world-buffer-1024/hist/907e5699802ee07d20ab79b9dbc94ca4b6ac178a.png 
[01:37] ryah: ^-- 10ms+ response time?
[01:37] ryah: seems wrong..
[01:38] ryah: piscisaureus: i do, but i try to code like a c++ person :)
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[01:40] erikvold: issacs: I ran into this prob http://superuser.com/questions/231590/running-rebaseall-on-cygwin\
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[02:00] ben_alman: is there a list somewhere of all "middleware" supported by express, by default?
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[02:02] piscisaureus: ryah: is there any particular reason you didn't include the improved path.resolve docs?
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[02:04] piscisaureus: if you just missed it each time, https://github.com/piscisaureus/node/commit/8ded663d233df27acbf9905d7772bf410ccee63f
[02:04] piscisaureus: (can make a patchfile if you care)
[02:04] ryah: https://github.com/piscisaureus/node/commit/8ded663d233df27acbf9905d7772bf410ccee63f.patch
[02:04] ryah: ^-- nice github feature
[02:05] ryah: so i can do:
[02:05] ryah: curl https://github.com/piscisaureus/node/commit/8ded663d233df27acbf9905d7772bf410ccee63f.patch | git am
[02:05] piscisaureus: ryah: ugh. Why didn't I know that????
[02:05] CIA-121: node: 03Bert Belder 07master * r0114826 10/ doc/api/path.markdown : Improve path.resolve documentation - http://bit.ly/gKHQ6H
[02:05] piscisaureus: it would have spared me all that useless git format-patch and copy paste
[02:05] ryah: piscisaureus: thanks
[02:06] ben_alman: and you can use it to get people's email address too!
[02:06] Prometheus: uh oh!
[02:06] piscisaureus: ryah: np. 
[02:07] ryah: no so hard to write sshd in node these days
[02:07] ryah: at least a simple one
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[02:12] echosystm: if i'm writing an snmp module, which has a Pdu class and a Type class, what's the usual way to export them?
[02:13] echosystm: i figured some index file that exports.snmp = { Pdu: Pdu, Type: Type };
[02:13] echosystm: ?
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[02:14] halfhalo: Ping rickard2 
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[02:18] jmcneese: hey noders.  has anyone else had any problems (or success) with using getters/setters for node modules?
[02:18] echosystm: ?
[02:18] pkrumins: they work
[02:18] pyrotechnick: not me
[02:18] pyrotechnick: jmcneese: sucess here
[02:18] echosystm: why would getters or setters not work jmcneese ?
[02:18] jmcneese: my attempts are not meeting with much success
[02:18] echosystm: show us your code
[02:18] jmcneese: i have no idea ;)  thus my question.
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[02:19] jmcneese: ok, gimme a sec to pastebin
[02:19] jmcneese: http://pastebin.com/v2ByjLpn
[02:20] jmcneese: i've tried it this way, as well as setting them via __defineSetter__ in the constructor
[02:20] jmcneese: i get call stack exceeded when i set one of the vars
[02:20] kriskowal: there's also Object.defineProperty
[02:21] kriskowal: i wasn't aware that the style you're using or __defineSetter__ were implemented in v8.
[02:21] bitdrift: so what's the deal with query string parsing in v0.2 to v0.3 ...it looks like v0.2 parses full paths inferred from dots (.) and v0.3 doesn't?  was that intentional, or is it just a work in progress?
[02:21] kriskowal: they're both in spidermonkey though.
[02:22] jmcneese: it says that all ecma5 setter/getter methods (including set()/get()) are in v8
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[02:23] jmcneese: http://cl.ly/3p0y3g0a1I3y2n000d1A
[02:23] jmcneese: i see the __defineGetter__ method
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[02:25] piscisaureus: ryah: getWindowSize, does that give you the height of the screen buffer or the height of the area actually visible on linux?
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[02:26] ryah: piscisaureus: visible
[02:26] piscisaureus: also in width?
[02:26] ryah: yes
[02:26] piscisaureus: hmm
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[02:27] piscisaureus: it is pretty uncommon for windows console apps to cut off at the visible border of the window if there is room to scroll sideways
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[02:30] bitdrift: no love :-(...nobody knows about the query string module?
[02:32] ryah: bitdrift: intentional
[02:32] ryah: bitdrift: we wanted less complex querystring parsing
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[02:32] bitdrift: ryah: ok great thank you
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[02:32] bitdrift: ryah: (and good move btw)
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[02:33] bitdrift: hm...so then, what's the easiest way to determine the node version number from within a module?
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[02:34] ryah: bitdrift: https://github.com/ry/node/commit/422d3c93bc7391e105cfb4363011088c27ec86a6
[02:34] ryah: bitdrift: process.version
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[02:36] bitdrift: ryah: ah fantastic...thank you
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[02:42] ryah: isaacs_: i dont' get it - does nobody have uid -2 on your system ? :/
[02:44] jmcneese: doh.  i was being stupid re: getters/setters
[02:44] jmcneese: you have to reference an internal property that is called something other than the property being called
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[02:45] echosystm: if i have a file that should export one class... i dont want to require it like require('file').ClassName;
[02:45] echosystm: how can i just require it like require('class_name'); ?
[02:45] echosystm: i cant work out how to do the export
[02:45] ryah: echosystm: module.exports = 
[02:45] echosystm: ah, thanks
[02:45] ryah: module.exports = somtehin;
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[02:47] echosystm: yeah, i was trying to do exports = something; but it wasnt working :P
[02:50] piscisaureus: time to go to bed again. goodbye :z
[02:51] cronopio: piscisaureus: have a nice night!
[02:51] piscisaureus: thnx
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[02:58] SubStack: why does `exports =` not work anyhow?
[02:58] SubStack: 
ACTION experiments

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[03:00] SubStack: v8: process
[03:00] v8bot: SubStack: ReferenceError: process is not defined
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[03:05] SubStack: > var box = {}; new(process.binding('evals').Script)('exports = 4').runInNewContext(box); box
[03:05] SubStack: { exports: 4 }
[03:05] SubStack: why can't node just do that?
[03:05] SubStack: 
ACTION digs into the source

[03:07] pyrotechnick: umm
[03:07] pyrotechnick: someone better start writing a node app that can fix floods
[03:07] pyrotechnick: brisbane, australia is in some serious trouble
[03:07] SubStack: still?
[03:08] pyrotechnick: it's gotten alot worse
[03:08] pyrotechnick: and it's still POURING down
[03:08] pyrotechnick: our main dam is full. we are screwed.
[03:08] SubStack: :(
[03:08] pyrotechnick: 10 people or so have died
[03:08] pyrotechnick: 100 or so are missing
[03:09] pyrotechnick: im making an app to track loved ones, share cautions, track progress of the fixup
[03:09] pyrotechnick: that kind of thing
[03:09] SubStack: Move to San Francisco! No natural catastrophes ever happen here.
[03:09] pyrotechnick: lol
[03:09] pyrotechnick: dont u guys get quakes
[03:09] Aria: That's the irony.
[03:10] pyrotechnick: i get it
[03:10] pyrotechnick: i get jokes.
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[03:15] mjr_: I have died several times now from earthquakes
[03:15] mjr_: They keep on destroying my house too.
[03:15] mjr_: Fucking earthquakes.
[03:15] pyrotechnick: stop building them out of paper
[03:15] pyrotechnick: use some bricks
[03:15] SubStack: pyrotechnick: think of it this way: your country has too much water, but other countries don't have enough
[03:15] SubStack: business opportunity
[03:15] pyrotechnick: substack
[03:15] pyrotechnick: hahahha
[03:16] pyrotechnick: 6 months ago
[03:16] pyrotechnick: EVERYONE was tripping balls here because of the drought
[03:16] pyrotechnick: now EVERYONE is tripping balls and dying because of the floods
[03:16] SubStack: can't win!
[03:16] pyrotechnick: they should not have rain-danced so well
[03:16] mjr_: Somehow it will be 39F in Oakland tonight.  This is not cool.
[03:16] mjr_: except that IT IS
[03:17] kiddphunk: lol yeah, bay is hella cold now
[03:17] SubStack: mjr_: I walked to university every day in interior Alaska
[03:17] SubStack: BOTH WAYS
[03:17] mjr_: It would be great if my ancient house had some insulation at all.
[03:17] SubStack: oh yeah these buildings aren't made for cold
[03:18] SubStack: of course, neither are the buildings in Alaska
[03:18] mjr_: Back in my day, we had to wrestle a bear down, saddle it up, and ride it to school if we didn't want to walk.
[03:18] mjr_: Kids these days.
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[03:22] joe_alman: does anyone actually write content in jade? or do they just use it for templates and have separate markdown files for content
[03:22] possibilities: interesting how difficult async makes it to walk a directory tree and know when it's done. not asking how, just venting (:
[03:22] SubStack: 
ACTION doesn't have enough content to answer that question

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[03:23] SubStack: possibilities: eh? I've done that and it's not so hard
[03:23] SubStack: just use recursion
[03:24] SubStack: oh right perhaps I'll add a recursion combinator to Seq now
[03:24] SubStack: 
ACTION channels his haskell-foo for this one

[03:25] possibilities: i'm fine until i want to know when the walking is done
[03:25] SubStack: an event emitter seems pretty appropriate
[03:25] SubStack: emit 'end' when you're done
[03:25] SubStack: emit 'dir' or 'file' otherwise
[03:26] SubStack: I bet there's even a module that does that on npm already
[03:26] SubStack: or if not there, on github
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[03:26] echosystm: under what circumstances is expresso better than vows and vice versa?
[03:26] pyrotechnick: apparently it's going to be worse than this
[03:26] pyrotechnick: http://www.brisbanebusinessfinance.com/images/1974_Flood_map.pdf
[03:26] pyrotechnick: youd think we would have learned
[03:26] possibilities: yeah, there's async directory listing and async lstats all happening so there's no spot in the code where i'm sure that another directory will be discovered
[03:26] pyrotechnick: and built things a bit higher, but no, we're stupid humans
[03:26] echosystm: i'm not all that familiar with different testing approaches
[03:27] SubStack: everything on stilts!
[03:27] possibilities: err, won't be
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[03:27] SubStack: or better, a city in the trees, ewok-style
[03:28] possibilities: i guess i need to figure out the control flow so that isn't all happening at once
[03:28] perlmonkey2: Hmm, the API docs don't actually take you to any API docs, but to the docs home for the selected version. Is there a way to actually view the API?
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[03:28] SubStack: possibilities: I see finder, walk, and walker on npm. I would check those out to see how they do it.
[03:28] perlmonkey2: I see, must use the link for the two released version in the nav.
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[03:34] echosystm: in vows, if i specifically wanted to test whether or not something has failed (rather than succeeded), how would you do that?
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[03:36] echosystm: eg. the test is correct if an exception occurs
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[03:43] possibilities: there we go
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[03:55] jashkenas: Fun. The "real" reason for the existence of JSLint, according to Crockford:
[03:55] jashkenas: "I intended
[03:55] jashkenas: to then create a JavaScript engine with the compiler and other components
[03:55] jashkenas: written in JavaScript, but the language contained so many design errors that I
[03:55] jashkenas: could not bring myself to replicate them all.
[03:55] jashkenas: So instead I turned the parser into a code quality tool."
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[03:56] SubStack: self-hosting is hard
[03:56] SubStack: but then so is writing c
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[03:58] bingomanatee_: Howdy noders!
[03:58] SubStack: oh hello
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[04:01] warz: hrm
[04:02] warz: are there any heroku-ish services for nodejs?
[04:02] yrashk: warz: I think joyent has something in that direction
[04:02] yrashk: warz: https://no.de/
[04:03] warz: nice. thanks. just looking for insight into a typical production deployment.
[04:03] SubStack: git push deployment <3
[04:04] SubStack: need to get that working for my own stuff :/
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[04:04] warz: not going to lie. i have basically never used git for a project.
[04:05] warz: of my own, that is.
[04:06] yrashk: 
ACTION is playing with an idea to prototype a heroku-ish service for erlang, with heavy git support as well

[04:06] SubStack: git is pretty good and github is a mystical experience shared by everybody
[04:07] warz: yup. github is nice.
[04:07] SubStack: also nodejitsu is coming along but still in private beta
[04:07] warz: ah yea. i feel like that thing has been private for so long.
[04:08] mgutz: i still can't believe Heroku was acquired for that much, was there any big site on Heroku?
[04:08] warz: i had always heard heroku was over priced for a rapidly scaling site.
[04:08] pyrotechnick: it's not what it is
[04:08] pyrotechnick: it's what it can be
[04:08] pyrotechnick: that's why people buy stuff like heroku
[04:09] warz: they just want it to be "theirs"
[04:09] mgutz: i undersand that, but for 1/10 of the money, they could have hired rock star admins and developers
[04:09] mgutz: 250 mil?
[04:09] mgutz: wow
[04:09] warz: the company buying heroku wasnt buying them for their admin expertise
[04:10] SubStack: the customers and name recognition probably factored a lot into their calculation
[04:10] SubStack: plus anything to do with "cloud" is trendy right now
[04:11] SubStack: 
ACTION says that as one of those "cloud" things

[04:11] mgutz: whom do you work for?
[04:11] warz: yea, im not sure what i think about the cloud trend, as a trend, right now
[04:11] warz: i feel liek it may be on the decline, soon
[04:11] halfhalo: Cloud calculator!
[04:11] warz: as a "trend word" that is
[04:11] SubStack: 
ACTION is cofounding StackVM

[04:12] SubStack: warz: well I doubt "cloud" in the sense of distributed hosted architecture is going anywhere
[04:12] warz: no definitely not
[04:12] warz: im just saying as like a buzz word, or whatever
[04:12] SubStack: yeah probably
[04:13] SubStack: especially as companies pick off the low-hanging fruit and come up with more specific terms for what they do
[04:13] halfhalo: Next it will be the "mist"
[04:13] yrashk: SubStack: StackVM is interesting
[04:13] warz: although i  will admit, i still want to find something and market it using the cloud buzz
[04:13] SubStack: yrashk: give browserling a spin
[04:13] mgutz: pretty cool substack. Is that similar to Microsoft Expression
[04:14] yrashk: SubStack: yeah I saw the video
[04:14] SubStack: seeing what that is, the first I've heard of it
[04:14] yrashk: its cool
[04:14] mgutz: i forogt what it was called, but it allowed you to preview web pages in different browsers
[04:14] SubStack: with live updates and interaction?
[04:15] mgutz: and if you didn't have the browser installed lcoally it would send it to their servers
[04:15] yrashk: SubStack: playing with browserling right now
[04:15] mgutz: let me find info
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[04:15] SubStack: oh but that microsoft thing looks like it only runs locally
[04:15] SubStack: browserling is all about hosted browsers
[04:15] mgutz: http://www.microsoft.com/expression/products/SuperPreview_Overview.aspx
[04:15] SubStack: mgutz: ah that is a cool feature
[04:16] mgutz: it markets better than it worked
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[04:16] SubStack: browserling would work a little better if we had more money for servers
[04:17] echosystm: whats the best way to extend Error ?
[04:17] SubStack: echosystm: why would you want to do such a thing?
[04:17] echosystm: for assertion testing
[04:18] SubStack: what does assertion testing entail?
[04:18] echosystm: being able to differentiate between errors
[04:18] SubStack: ah
[04:18] echosystm: eg. TypeMismatchError
[04:18] SubStack: you should be able to just set a function prototype
[04:18] SubStack: and check with instanceof
[04:19] echosystm: i'd like it to be able to still do the stacktrace stuff
[04:19] echosystm: so i'm not sure what's required to keep that
[04:19] SubStack: v8: function MeowError () {}; MeowError.prototype = new Error; new MeowError instanceof Error
[04:19] v8bot: SubStack: true
[04:20] SubStack: and then the constructor trick
[04:20] SubStack: or use util.inherits
[04:20] SubStack: *utils
[04:20] SubStack: oh they both work
[04:20] SubStack: I hate that name, utils
[04:21] pyrotechnick: me too
[04:21] pyrotechnick: but sys was even worse
[04:21] SubStack: also true
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[04:23] echosystm: whats this super_ thing?
[04:24] echosystm: why is there an underscore
[04:24] SubStack: I have no idea.
[04:24] echosystm: someone needs to write a document on conventions
[04:24] comster: inherits sets it to something... I was having trouble using it the other day
[04:24] SubStack: I haven't used utils.inherits in any real code, only in the debugger
[04:25] echosystm: or we're going to end up in a pile of mess like perl
[04:25] SubStack: but then I try to avoid classical OO design in javascript
[04:26] SubStack: echosystm: http://nodejs.org/api/all.html#util.inherits 
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[04:28] jashkenas: SubStack: if you don't use prototypes classically in JS, yer doing it wrong™
[04:28] jashkenas: not that this needs to be harped on again.
[04:28] jashkenas: But here, for example: https://github.com/substack/dnode/blob/master/lib/conn.js
[04:28] jashkenas: Every new Conn object brings with it another memory-heavy copy of each of Conn's methods.
[04:28] SubStack: my style has been evolving since I wrote that
[04:29] SubStack: and private state ftw
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[04:29] SubStack: I hate writing stuff the Fn.prototype.xxx way
[04:29] comster: jashkenas, thanks for the harping, I'm listening
[04:29] tim_smart: Dance party! ftw?
[04:29] jashkenas: me too, but it's how it works.
[04:30] SubStack: pfft
[04:30] SubStack: jashkenas: sounds like premature optimization to me
[04:30] tim_smart: I was mean to say "RAM usage! ftw?"
[04:30] SubStack: write it the pretty way first and optimize it later if it's not fast enough
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[04:30] tim_smart: Don't know how dance party got in there
[04:31] jashkenas: (or write it in coffeescript and have it be pretty and fast the first time around) ... but I'll shut up now.
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[04:32] SubStack: passing state around through attributes sucks for encapsulating stateful transactions
[04:33] jashkenas: what's the difference, other than the "this." prefix?
[04:33] comster: F.  I was about to say how much I hate coffeescript, and let me know if I'm wrong but, if it is only making it "pretty" and not functionally less "broken" than js can be sometimes... I think it'd be better to just have the javascript in plain text so it's easier to learn from etc.. 
[04:33] echosystm: function MyError() {}; util.inherits(MyError, Error);
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[04:34] jashkenas: comster: both pretty and less broken, hopefully.
[04:34] echosystm: when i throw new MyError(), i dont get a stack trace
[04:34] echosystm: what am i doing wrong?
[04:34] comster: although I'm selfish in the idea that I don't want to learn more languages
[04:34] comster: kinda a massive benefit of server js / client js
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[04:49] creationix: mikeal: you around?
[04:50] mikeal: yeah
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[04:59] bingomanatee_: Its always good to learn a new language - but coffescript is just a dialect. It doesn't make things run faster or better or enable features that Javascript lacks. 
[05:01] comster: to me that seems counter productive then, as do most "templating engines"
[05:02] bingomanatee_: Lost opportunity is counter productive
[05:03] shaver: hug it out, guys
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[05:05] echosystm: anyone know how to subclass Error properly?
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[05:06] creationix: why subclass it?
[05:06] echosystm: for assertion testing
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[05:06] echosystm: assert.throws(function() {...}, SpecificErrorHere);
[05:06] creationix: function MyClass{} MyClass.prototype.__proto__ = Error.prototype
[05:07] echosystm: ok, let me try that
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[05:24] JimBastard: where is isaacs
[05:25] creationix: California I believe
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[05:44] ron_frown: so a question of dev
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[05:44] ron_frown: I'd like to have a asp.net server in effect act like another client to node.js server
[05:44] ron_frown: and push and recieve stuff
[05:45] ron_frown: but establishing/reestablishing socket connections and making sure its connected seems like it may be a lto of work
[05:45] ron_frown: vs just adding a post handler 
[05:46] ron_frown: you guys think I'd stand to gain a lot by trying to keep server connected to node.js
[05:46] ron_frown: but actually maintain a few worksers sending messages?
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[05:47] warz: hrm. honestly, if i were looking into server to server communication id look into other protocols
[05:48] warz: i dont have the answer as to which one is best for your scenario though
[05:48] warz: be back tomorrow!
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[05:58] echosystm: is there no way to extend the Error class properly?
[05:59] echosystm: nothing ive found on google works how it is supposed to
[06:00] Aria: Heh. It's possible, but differs across runtimes from what I've seen.
[06:01] echosystm: i only want to do it on node.js
[06:02] echosystm: i need the subclass to have a stacktrace when thrown and also be an instance of its own class
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[06:05] Aria: Man, I'm trying to remember what I did when I was playing with this.
[06:05] echosystm: am i doing it wrong?
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[06:06] echosystm: coming from other languages, having exceptions seems a bit useless if you can't differentiate between them properly
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[06:06] Aria: It does, but the usual way is to look at properties of an error.
[06:06] Aria: Javascript is definitely sloppy if not outright weak on this.
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[06:07] Aria: https://gist.github.com/774092
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[06:09] TheEmpath2: harro
[06:09] TheEmpath2: anyone familair with how to make DBRefs in Mongoose?
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[06:11] echosystm: Aria: what is core ?
[06:11] Figaroo: how do I sent emails in node.js?
[06:11] Aria: Just a namespace object.
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[06:15] mgutz: echosystm: this works on server side https://gist.github.com/774103
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[06:18] Aria: mgutz: Does that have a backtrace?
[06:19] mgutz: nah, basically you can throw any class you want
[06:19] mgutz: you'd have to build your own hierarchy
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[06:20] Aria: right. That's the problem.
[06:20] Aria: You need to use Error to get the backtrace.
[06:23] orospakr: Hey, has anyone used strtok with an incoming HTTP request?  I am aware that the Request object quacks like a Stream, and strtok.parse() expects a Stream, but I think there are some unknown unknowns that I am not taking into account.
[06:25] Figaroo: I'm thinking of just quiting PHP cold turkey and going with Node.js. What do you think, and can Node.js replace all everything I can do with PHP?
[06:25] Aria: Yes. They're both turing complete.
[06:25] Aria: And both can bind C libraries. Question is how much work it's gonna be.
[06:26] Aria: HOW you do it may well be different. Very much so.
[06:26] Aria: Yargh. I can now crash webkit reliably.
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[06:28] mgutz: i find node + express good for things I used Sinatra for -- data services, apis ... i'm still on rails for heavy UI (form generators, admin areas, etc)
[06:28] mgutz: node will eventually get there, but it's not there yet
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[06:45] SubStack: mgutz: you can help it get there by writing code! :D
[06:45] mgutz: I am, slowly but surely
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[06:45] vIkSiT: hi all
[06:46] SubStack: the fittest idioms and approaches are still emerging and it's fun times
[06:46] vIkSiT: I'm running a spawned tail -f command, and trying to print the data received to stdout. But I end up getting ASCII representations of the data.
[06:46] vIkSiT: Is tehre a way to convert this to string and print it?
[06:47] vIkSiT: I'm using the code mentioned here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3499152/minimum-websocket-nodejs-tail-example/3646471#3646471
[06:47] vIkSiT: and instead of sys.write, I use sys.puts/print
[06:47] vIkSiT: s/sys.write/res.write
[06:47] vIkSiT: any ideas on whats going on here?
[06:47] SubStack: probably a buf, you can .toString() it
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[06:49] SubStack: oh strange I would have thought you can res.write buffers
[06:49] vIkSiT: SubStack, hehe great, thats what i needed. thanks
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[06:51] bitdrift: ok so the query string parsing strategy in v0.2 makes it impossible to parse some openid requests
[06:52] bitdrift: for instance, i can have both openid.ns=foo and openid.ns.ext1=bar in the same query string
[06:53] SubStack: it's not too hard to write a parser for that
[06:53] bitdrift: SubStack: correct, in fact it's already done in the v0.3 branch
[06:53] bitdrift: BUT
[06:54] bitdrift: i imagine the v0.2 branch can't be changed without breaking a bunch of code out there
[06:55] bitdrift: so I'm wondering if it makes sense to have some sort of option to override the default parser?
[06:57] SubStack: just throw up a module oldquerystring on npm
[06:57] Figaroo: Is there a framework for Node that is similar to codeigniter in that it's view files are just HTML pages and you basically load them while passing data to them?
[06:58] isaacs: bitdrift: yeah, i agree.
[06:58] isaacs: bitdrift: the dot-separating stuff should never have landed, imo
[06:58] isaacs: no other system does that
[06:58] isaacs: the [] stuff is pretty cool, but not worth the complexity cost.
[06:58] SubStack: you could fix it with proxies >:D
[06:58] shaver: haha
[06:59] isaacs: actually, openid chose . *because* no platforms mess with it
[06:59] isaacs: pretty much all other punctuation is somehow relevant
[06:59] SubStack: or rather, hoxies, as I'm now calling them
[06:59] bitdrift: haha
[06:59] SubStack: everyone should call harmony proxies hoxies now, I've decided
[07:01] bitdrift: SubStack: what's this about proxies?
[07:01] bitdrift: is that like a plugin/module thing?
[07:01] SubStack: but I'm just guessing that v0.3 splits on dots to build a nested structure?
[07:01] SubStack: bitdrift: harmony proxies
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[07:02] bitdrift: nope, actually v0.3 just keeps the strings whole
[07:02] SubStack: bitdrift: they're like operator[] and operator[]=
[07:02] SubStack: which of course in javascript traps attribute access because that's just the way javascript rolls
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[07:04] bitdrift: SubStack: ah interesting
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[07:05] bitdrift: I guess I'd rather just have a v0.2 module that forces v0.3 style though
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[07:06] gaYak: mm, how well does socket.io scale/work without the WebSockets support (which is going to get removed at least temporarily from Chrome/Opera/Firefox) ?
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[07:15] echosystm: sorry dudes, had to run off before or i'd miss my bus
[07:15] echosystm: so... subclassing the Error class
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[07:15] echosystm: how?
[07:16] echosystm: or should i just not be using custom errors?
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[07:19] whyme: echosystm: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.3.4/api/util.html#util.inherits
[07:19] whyme: available in 0.2.x too
[07:20] herbySk: echosystm: What's the problem with classical subclassing pattern? Does it not work?
[07:21] echosystm: hang on 2 seconds
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[07:23] eags_: how stable is 3.4 vs 2.6?  I want to write some real apps using node.js but nothing so mission critical that I'd want to give up a lot of good improvements and new features if 3.4 was actually pretty solid.
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[07:23] echosystm: the issue was getting the stacktrace to happen properly too... ive worked it out now
[07:24] herbySk: echosystm: Yes, util.inherits is fine, plus do not forget to put Error.apply(this, arguments) as the first statement in the constructor of subclass itself (or something other than Error, if you do nested subclasses)
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[07:24] echosystm: var MyError = function() { Error.captureStackTrace(this, MyError); }; MyError.prototype.__proto__ = Error.prototype;
[07:24] echosystm: that seems be ok
[07:25] echosystm: ah, forgot apply
[07:25] echosystm: thanks
[07:26] herbySk: echosystm: __proto__ is not standard :-), plus, util.inherits probably sets constructor right (but if you does not bother about constructor, what you've done is ok).
[07:28] echosystm: cool
[07:28] echosystm: thanks
[07:28] herbySk: echosystm: The 'canonical' way is to do MyError.prototype = Object.create(Error.prototype)
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[07:29] echosystm: i'm just going to use inherits
[07:29] echosystm: :P
[07:29] echosystm: i had a question earlier though, perhaps you can shed some light on that too...
[07:30] echosystm: why does inherits add super_ ? whats the significance of the underscore?
[07:30] echosystm: sorry that was worded bad haha, i just want to know what the underscore is for
[07:30] echosystm: (just curious if it is some convention that i should be using myself)
[07:32] whyme: echosystm: nothing special, i believe
[07:32] herbySk: echosystm: It adds it for convenience for those who are used to have some accessor named "super" or "inherited" for the superclass, the underscore is used to denote "internal", "private" things -- here it was probably done mainly not to cause nameclash should someone use the "normal-looking" property super
[07:32] echosystm: ah
[07:32] echosystm: ok
[07:32] echosystm: shouldnt the underscore be at the beginning ? :P
[07:32] echosystm: _hidden seems to be the usual
[07:33] shaver: in C, underscore-leading is reserved
[07:33] shaver: so v8 code uses trailing
[07:33] echosystm: ok
[07:35] echosystm: so the inherits function runs in c, not javascript?
[07:38] whyme: echosystm: see: https://github.com/ry/node/blob/v0.3.4/lib/util.js#L390
[07:42] echosystm: so... just looking at those lib files
[07:42] echosystm: it seems modules that just export functions have their names_like_this
[07:42] echosystm: but modules that export 'classes' have nameslikethis
[07:42] echosystm: correct?
[07:45] echosystm: no, nevermind
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[08:05] butu5: Hello guys.. I am able to start with node.js + barista + coffeescript + rails successfully in Mac.. but getting hard time on running the same on cygwin.. 
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[08:06] butu5: I am getting "WideCharToMultiByte: The data area passed to a system call is too small.Error: ENOENT, No such file or directory '/cygdrive/c/hack/iliketea/C:/Documents" error
[08:11] mgutz: isn't /cygdrive/c == C:  ? 
[08:11] butu5: yes
[08:11] butu5: but from where that /C:/Docu* taking I have no idea
[08:12] butu5: actually I ran rake barista:brew for compiling the .coffee file to .js using nodejs
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[08:34] DH1JC: 
ACTION failed on compiling node.js on cygwin on part 51/72 building libv8.a

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[08:48] DH1JC: are there known problems on compiling on cygwin (win xp.. 32bit)
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[08:51] DH1JC: ./configure works without problem, then make gives an error on compileing the libv8.a
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[09:02] koning_r1bot: how do I get a backtrace that shows more than 10 frames?
[09:02] evanmeagher: isaacs: npm version doesn't seem to work.
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[09:02] isaacs: evanmeagher: gist?
[09:03] isaacs: oh, it thinks the git working dir is not empty
[09:04] evanmeagher: isaacs: https://gist.github.com/8876ee6dab70453d7110
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[09:04] evanmeagher: isaacs: yeah, the filter in checkGit doesn't empty list completely
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[09:05] butu5: cygwin + node.js + barista + coffeescript error while compiling .coffee file to .js using node.js https://gist.github.com/774219
[09:06] isaacs: yeah
[09:06] DH1JC: @butu5 ... i can't even compile the node.js on cygwin... ;(
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[09:07] butu5: @DHIJC: I can able to compile you followed the link.. https://github.com/ry/node/wiki/Building-node.js-on-Cygwin-(Windows) ?
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[09:07] butu5: you need to install couple of library stuff to get it compile.. 
[09:08] butu5: I can able to run the sample example too... first http server :)
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[09:08] DH1JC: it complains about errors while compiling libv8.a
[09:09] butu5: you are compiling from github branch or the stable one?
[09:09] DH1JC: Now I try again on the 0.3.4...
[09:09] isaacs: evanmeagher: fixed on 43e09e1
[09:09] isaacs: thanks
[09:09] evanmeagher: np :)
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[09:11] DH1JC: @butu5 nope. even then 0.3.4 does not compile ... soemthing like:  error: cannot allocate an object of abstract type 'v8::internal::CygwinMutex'
[09:12] DH1JC: ... and a few more lines ;(
[09:12] butu5: hmmm
[09:12] butu5: I tried 0.2.6
[09:12] DH1JC: give me a sec...
[09:12] butu5: u running on xp or window 7
[09:12] butu5: okie
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[09:16] DH1JC: that one seems to work... but also reading might help... there is a patch for the c8 cygwin thing... ( on the page you mentioned )
[09:16] DH1JC: ;/ dumb me
[09:16] butu5: cool good you figure it out
[09:16] butu5: I am still digging on my issues
[09:17] butu5: looks like it is HOME directory set in cygwin
[09:17] butu5: @DH1JC are you comfortable with cygwin.. 
[09:17] DH1JC: uhm yes. mostly. Why?
[09:18] butu5: I think by default.. cygwin set it's home directory at C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator
[09:18] butu5: which has spaces in folder name and causing all problem
[09:18] butu5: can I change to some other directory
[09:18] butu5: without reinstalling cygwin?
[09:19] DH1JC: good question... I installed c:\cygwin\home\jc so no spaces ;)
[09:19] DH1JC: for testing you might can choose some temp directory for compiling to see if the problem is still there?!
[09:19] butu5: hmm
[09:21] butu5: coffee -c test.coffee working great
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[09:22] DH1JC: Now compiling the 0.3.4 .. with the supplied patch (Crossing Fingers...)
[09:22] butu5: best of luck!
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[09:24] [AD]Turbo: hi there
[09:25] DH1JC: @butu5.. whoa seems to work
[09:25] butu5: gr8.. cool :)
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[09:26] B2oba: Hey... I have a CentOS VPS, and want to host a node.js application there. I can't figure out how to create a deamon that 1. Starts on startup, 2. Restarts App if node process goes down.... anyone knows a tutorial that cover that? or let me know of option to research? (I'm 1 week new to linux)
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[09:31] DH1JC: @b2oba my friend uses http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html for such things...
[09:32] muk_mb: B2oba: ruby gem called God will do it too
[09:33] B2oba: @DH1JC: Thanks looking at the document
[09:33] DH1JC: ur welcome
[09:34] B2oba: muk_mb: hum, sorry I did not understand that sentence "ruby gem called God" ?
[09:35] muk_mb: a gem is a ruby library/module thingy
[09:36] muk_mb: http://god.rubyforge.org/
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[09:40] B2oba: muk_mb: Thanks, reading the documentation. I just read about "monit" which seems to do something similar. I'll try hacking something out. Thanks!
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[09:47] DH1JC: oh. node.exe v.0.3.4 segfaulted on windows. xp
[09:48] koning_r1bot: how do I get a backtrace that shows more than 10 frames?
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[10:05] Bakafish_: @member:b2oba I've been successfully using daemontools to keep my node proc up.
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[10:11] Evet: what is your favourite single sign-on method?
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[10:23] cadrlife: JimBastard: Hi, jamescarr said I should ask you about getting in the Nodejitsu beta.
[10:23] JimBastard: hey cadrlife did you sign up?
[10:24] cadrlife: I entered my email in the box. ray.myers@gmail.com
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[10:31] JimBastard: cadrlife: ill see if i can get you in the next batch, should be shortly
[10:31] cadrlife: Thank you much
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[10:37] tanepiper: ohman, want this: http://rush.heroku.com/ but with nodejs
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[11:06] ron_frown: anyone around?
[11:06] pgte: hello
[11:06] sveisvei: Hola
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[11:07] ron_frown: I am confused about something
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[11:07] sveisvei: Share :)
[11:08] ron_frown: I've got code I've built that allows socket.io to connect and chug along... basically set up on('message'), on('connect') and on('disconnect')
[11:08] ron_frown: but ahve seen code that effectively would let me do things with that the usual way
[11:08] ron_frown: and then also define "urls" for loading content
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[11:09] ron_frown: I cant seem to find that content any longer
[11:09] sveisvei: You talking server or client?
[11:09] ron_frown: server
[11:10] ron_frown: eg, I want to have a couple 'url handlers" that an app can do http posts to, in addition to the socket send/recieve stuff
[11:10] sveisvei: e.g. a router?
[11:10] ron_frown: uhh I dont know
[11:10] ron_frown: is that what its called in node.js?
[11:11] sveisvei: expressjs does it like this. app.post("/url/to/post/to", function(req, res){//Return something})
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[11:12] sveisvei: or connect even, express builds on connect
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[11:13] sveisvei: You find alot of routers here, in the first section:
[11:13] sveisvei: https://github.com/ry/node/wiki/modules
[11:13] ron_frown: hmm
[11:13] ron_frown: so I could have express in place with a couple urls defined
[11:14] ron_frown: and then have socket.io included and do io.listen and handle the events and not step on eachothers toes?
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[11:20] echosystm: yes
[11:20] echosystm: do you understand how socket.io works?
[11:21] sth: I'm tempted to roll out socket.io, and give it another go
[11:21] echosystm: i meant ron_frown 
[11:21] echosystm: :P
[11:21] sth: Does socket.io have event source yet?
[11:21] sth: echosystm: I know, but it triggered my response :D
[11:22] sth: hi ron_frown 
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[11:28] ron_frown: sth:  hello
[11:29] ron_frown: well I get that socket.io isnt really straight up socket back and forth under the scenes
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[11:29] ron_frown: I mean its different depending on which transport ultimately ends up getting used
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[12:28] ron_frown: building node for windows anyone?
[12:28] ron_frown: I heard cygwin works but that there was a mingw version in the works or already there
[12:31] piscisaureus: ron_frown: cygwin build is usable, tho it's 0.2 branch only
[12:31] piscisaureus: mingw branch is in the works really
[12:31] ron_frown: that means progress but not usable at all
[12:31] DH1JC: I ddi build it today.
[12:31] ron_frown: ?
[12:31] piscisaureus: ron_fown: well, I can use it :-)
[12:31] DH1JC: so the 0.2.6 works fine... the 0.3.4 compiles (after applying a patch) but then segfaulted...
[12:32] DH1JC: sure useable... but not latest version...
[12:32] ron_frown: piscisaureus:  are you ry?
[12:32] ron_frown: 2.6 would work for me
[12:32] ron_frown: but running on cygwin sounds... highly undesirable
[12:32] piscisaureus: ron_frown: no. ry is ryah. But he should be asleep right now.
[12:32] ron_frown: right now I am running on my osx box
[12:32] ron_frown: I should be too
[12:33] ron_frown: but I am not! =)
[12:33] squeek: I really don't get these workplaces, schools that lock the fuck down on everything and refuse flat out to install whatever to get the job done.
[12:33] squeek: gah wrong channel
[12:33] squeek: fml.
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[12:36] piscisaureus: ron_frown: cygwin sucks indeed. that's why we're moving away from that
[12:38] piscisaureus: stuck with osx for a few more weeks until the mingw build gets more stable
[12:38] ron_frown: you think thats all we're going to need?
[12:38] ron_frown: I mean it wont be the end of the world to have a beefy linux box running all my node.js stuff
[12:38] ron_frown: but ultimately I'd like to install along side my iis boxes
[12:38] piscisaureus: for stability, yeah
[12:38] piscisaureus: performance, no
[12:39] piscisaureus: hmm
[12:39] piscisaureus: i don't really have any experience with iis honestly
[12:39] ron_frown: I totally get and respect peoples choices as far as not building it cross platform from the get go
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[12:39] dytrivedi: hallo guise
[12:39] ron_frown: but it does kind of suck that there are some rediculously promising projects
[12:39] ron_frown: and I cant do much with them =)
[12:39] piscisaureus: you would need to run node as a service I imagine, don't know how difficult that would be
[12:39] dytrivedi: what does this error mean? "OutgoingMessage.prototype.close has been renamed to end()
[12:39] ron_frown: change .close to .end()
[12:40] ron_frown: means exactly what it says
[12:40] ron_frown: piscisaureus: nah
[12:40] dytrivedi: hmm let me see
[12:40] ron_frown: I can run it just like anyone else woudl
[12:40] ron_frown: just needs to listen on diff port and compile and run for windows
[12:40] ron_frown: just saying I'd rather have each webserver node have its own node instance
[12:41] piscisaureus: ok
[12:41] sebs: hello noders
[12:42] dytrivedi: thank you.
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[12:42] ron_frown: in regular js form a webpage where would JSON.stringify come from?
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[12:43] piscisaureus: The well-known JSON2 lib. Modern browsers have it built-in
[12:43] ben_alman: or just google json2.js
[12:43] ron_frown: well it was working on this other page I was just messing with
[12:43] ron_frown: as soon as I tossed that logic in its own .js file
[12:43] ron_frown: seems to be complaining
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[12:50] devkorcvince: HugoGF have you installed restricted Drivers?
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[12:54] marlun: If I want to start using node.js, should I install 2.x or 3.x? Homebrew has 2.x (brew install node will install 2.x).
[12:54] pgte: marlun: install latest, compile by hand
[12:55] margle: does anyone here use backbone.js?
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[12:55] pgte: marlun: follow instructions on http://nodejs.org
[12:55] pgte: marlun: http://nodejs.org#download
[12:57] jetienne: margle: install 2.x this is the stable branch. you dont need to experience all the 3.0 bumps while learning :)
[12:57] margle: maybe for marlun 
[12:57] marlun: pgte: would've rather used homebrew so I could've easily uninstalled.
[12:58] pgte: marlun: make uninstall
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[13:08] marlun: pgte: Ah, a lot of other packages I've used havn't supported uninstalling with make. Thanks!
[13:09] ron_frown: hrmm
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[13:13] booths: Could anyone help me out, I
[13:13] booths: I'm having some difficulty... typing too apparently
[13:15] booths: I'm getting ENOBUFS, No buffer space available. It's an in house program at the company I'm working at, so I have the /etc/resolv.conf set to the internal DNS... It seems to handle the initial connection because socket.io connects, but crashes shortly after.
[13:15] booths: http://pastebin.com/Ua6Zu6xz is the actual output
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[13:27] piscisaureus: booths: cygwin :-(
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[13:27] booths: Yeah, unfortunately
[13:27] piscisaureus: can you get a more meaningful stacktrace with node_g and gdb?
[13:28] booths: I could probably try, but it takes a while for it to crash, upwards of 4-6 hours
[13:28] piscisaureus: which ver?
[13:28] booths: 0.3.1
[13:28] booths: It was running 0.2.6 as well, doing the same thing
[13:30] piscisaureus: I think it is windows complaining that it ran out of socket buffers
[13:30] piscisaureus: if you do netstat, do you see a lot of connections in TIME_WAIT state?
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[13:31] booths_: Sorry, got disconnected, wireless here is finicky at best. Let me check
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[13:33] booths_: Not currently, but I'm not sure if that will change.
[13:33] booths_: seems to have none at this time
[13:33] piscisaureus: hmm
[13:34] piscisaureus: I have seen problems where ENOBUFS on windows was caused by having too many sockets open
[13:35] piscisaureus: event if in node the socket was closed, windows keeps the socket in TIME_WAIT state for a long time
[13:35] booths_: The program basically is parsing XML that is posted to it and turning it into data, so there's a lot of regular HTTP POST connections happening, it just seems as soon as a regular browser connection happens
[13:36] booths_: And past socket.io, because it handles the initial connection, as socket.io connects
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[13:39] piscisaureus: booths_: don't understand what you're just saying
[13:39] booths_: The regular http post requests don't connect to socket.io, is the only difference I can think of. I left the server running over night and those continued to work overnight.
[13:39] booths_: But when I connected this morning it died immediately.
[13:41] piscisaureus: I don't think that's it
[13:42] piscisaureus: The ENOBUFS originates here: https://github.com/ry/node/blob/v0.3.1/src/node_net.cc#L369
[13:42] ron_frown: if I wanted to include an external js file in node.js app
[13:42] ron_frown: do I just use require and plop the js file in the same dir?
[13:42] piscisaureus: apparently your program is trying to connect to some other something
[13:42] piscisaureus: that's where it crashes
[13:43] booths_: An outgoing connection from the server? Hmm...
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[13:44] piscisaureus: from dns apparently
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[13:45] booths_: Well I do post a LDAP request shortly after connection using http.createClient
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[13:48] aelaguiz: so after my unit tests are completed successfully for some reason I'm getting a "Object.keys called on non-object" exception, with a stack trace that roots in an EventEmitter - any pointers in tracking this down?
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[13:52] aelaguiz: nvm, got it ;)
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[13:53] booths_: Might be onto something piscisaureus
[13:54] booths_: I refreshed a lot just to get a lot of LDAP connections to go out, and I see the active connections in established state. When I killed the server they're still here in TIME_WAIT
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[13:58] mape: Anyone here used spark to spawn multiple instances along with socket.io?
[13:58] piscisaureus: Can you also reproduce the crash?
[13:58] piscisaureus: Unfortunately there's not much you can do about the time_wait trouble with node itself
[13:58] piscisaureus: however you can change the registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\TCPIP\Parameters\TcpTimedWaitDelay to a lower valye
[14:00] booths_: Haven't reproduced the crash yet
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[14:00] booths_: They sit in time_wait for a while, and there's multiple. They do fall off, but once I reconnect w/ the same client they all come back and sit in established
[14:00] piscisaureus: hmm
[14:01] piscisaureus: how many connections?
[14:01] booths_: 9 right now, I've refreshed a few times to get it that high
[14:01] piscisaureus: 9 is not much. that shouldn't hurt
[14:02] booths_: Hmm
[14:02] aelaguiz: hey what debugger do you guys use? I've tried to get eclipse & google remote debugger working and failed - is that the current best way?
[14:02] piscisaureus: how busy is that server normally, in terms of reqs per hour/sec/day?
[14:03] booths_: It'd in dev right now, but in production it'd probably be about 100-200 people using it constantly during business hours, and taper down to about 50 people over night.
[14:05] qnt4b: aelaguiz: node-inspector (GUI), ndb or gdb (command line)
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[14:05] piscisaureus: booths: I don't know. Maybe you should just change node so it tries again a little later it it gets ENOBUFS
[14:06] aelaguiz: qnt4b: thanks
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[14:06] piscisaureus: https://github.com/ry/node/blob/v0.3.1/src/node_net.cc#L368
[14:06] piscisaureus: - if (r < 0 && errno != EINPROGRESS) {
[14:06] piscisaureus: + if (r < 0 && errno != EINPROGRESS && errno != ENOBUFS) {
[14:07] Sembiance: good morning everyone :)
[14:07] booths: So what would 'trying a little later' do exactly? Refuse the connections in the mean time?
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[14:08] piscisaureus: booths: no the crash happens in an *outgoing* connection
[14:08] piscisaureus: try the connect a little later on ENOBUFS
[14:08] piscisaureus: this does that:
[14:09] piscisaureus: In https://github.com/ry/node/blob/v0.3.1/src/node_net.cc#L368
[14:09] piscisaureus: change
[14:09] piscisaureus: 	if (r < 0 && errno != EINPROGRESS) {
[14:09] piscisaureus: into
[14:09] piscisaureus: 	if (r < 0 && errno != EINPROGRESS && errno != ENOBUFS) {
[14:09] booths: Alright, I'll give it a try
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[14:25] ron_frown: anyone do anything with express?
[14:25] ron_frown: I am trying to capture a guid for id on query string
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[14:43] devkorcvince: clear
[14:43] devkorcvince: ls
[14:43] devkorcvince: clea
[14:43] qnt4b: ron_frown: req.query gets you the query string, if that's what you're looking for
[14:43] devkorcvince: sudo vimgol
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[14:44] devkorcvince: sudo vimgolhelp
[14:44] devkorcvince: sudo vimgolsetup
[14:44] devkorcvince: vimgold error on setup
[14:44] devkorcvince: f
[14:45] devkorcvince: Vim
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[14:46] devkorcvince: vimgolf setup
[14:47] devkorcvince: vimgolf setup require error
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[15:15] jelveh: is there a way to make a stream writeable again?
[15:16] jelveh: I'm using the node-utils request magic and give it a writeable stream to put the response in
[15:16] jelveh: but when it does a redirect the writeable stream is not writable anymore
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[15:49] devkorcvince: Vim
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[15:52] julienXX: hello! I have a list of facebook pages and I would like to retrieve their posts then comments in parallel. How could I do that?
[15:53] case__: hmmm you could ask on a facebook related channel maybe :)
[15:53] case__: that sounds more fb-api related
[15:53] case__: to me
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[15:54] julienXX: the FB part is ok, I'm doing it right now but it seems to me that my implementation is kinda synchronous. I'm just looking for the parallelization part?
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[15:56] joemccann: sup yall
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[15:56] joemccann: anyone familiar with how node handles/doesn't handle server side includes?
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[16:06] case__: julienXX, dunno, show us some code...
[16:06] case__: joemccann, go on with your question
[16:07] joemccann: case__: apache,IIS and nginx all handle the same convention for static html server side includes
[16:07] joemccann: case__: node does not it appears
[16:07] julienXX: case__: here https://gist.github.com/774628 thanks!
[16:07] joemccann: case__:  unless im wrong
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[16:07] case__: joemccann, not sure to understand your "static html server side includes"
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[16:08] joemccann: case__:  do you know what i mean by server side includes?
[16:08] brianc: joemccann: node doesn't support this out of the box 
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[16:09] case__: joemccann, no
[16:09] joemccann: brianc:  thx, i didn't think so...back to nginx reverse proxy i suppose
[16:09] brianc: joemccann: it'd have to be coded into something like connect, express, or some other framework if they're doing the actual html delivery
[16:09] joemccann: brianc:  right...im using express and it doesn't pick it up by default
[16:09] brianc: joemccann: I believe it's still suggested to run with an nginx reverse proxy for better security anyway 
[16:10] case__: julienXX, hmmm from what i read it's allready async...
[16:10] brianc: joemccann: though I would _like_ to not use nginx since removing it makes the stack more simple
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[16:11] joemccann: brianc:  agreed, but surely better to use nginx than apache or IIS
[16:11] brianc: joemccann: hell yes
[16:12] joemccann: brianc: yeah and i usually don't use ss includes, but the project i just got on is using them
[16:12] brianc: joemccann: and thankfully nginx's power doesn't come at the cost of extremely complicated setup or configuration too so is not a terrible burden
[16:12] joemccann: brianc: yeah "brew install nginx"
[16:13] julienXX: case__:  ok thanks a lot!
[16:13] ryah: 
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[16:15] mape: bingomanatee_: Around?
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[16:25] mape: Anyone here used node-mongodb-native and mapReduce?
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[16:49] CIA-121: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * rb7419df 10/ (16 files): Upgrade libev to 4.3 - http://bit.ly/fiIlEo
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[17:00] bingomanatee_: yea about to commute whats up mape?
[17:00] bingomanatee_: mape: y6es
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[17:03] mape: bingomanatee_: I was trying to do a mapReduce with the native driver, think I figured it out though
[17:04] bingomanatee_: yes itswonky but it can be done, using comnand. 
[17:04] mape: Yeah
[17:04] bingomanatee_: I ** hate M/R - mongo is working on more elegant syntax for it but we
[17:04] bingomanatee_: re stuck with what we got for now. 
[17:04] jackson_: I was playing with libev last night and it seems like it calls IO watchers in FILO order.  Does this cause any problems in node?
[17:05] bingomanatee_: good luck and good night :D
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[17:05] mape: Hehe k, nn
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[17:08] jackson_: I guess it doesn't really matter, seems like FIFO would be ideal though.
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[17:13] bradleymeck: jackson_ you could argue if we weighted watchers it could be "more" ideal based upon frequency of use, but that would probably be too difficult to calculate and lower performance on situations where you have few watchers
[17:13] piscisaureus: ryah: https://github.com/ry/node/commit/b7419dfaadc512f46898f4ca8dae30b19fede83f#L7L1292 *snif*
[17:14] jackson_: bradleymeck: good point.  I guess I'm too focused on hello world type tests.
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[17:19] bradleymeck: any v8 gurus know if you can check if something and all of its properties (recursive) are in the NearDeath state without a full walk?
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[17:22] mraleph: bradleymeck: one Handle knows nothing about other Handle. why do you need this?
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[17:22] bradleymeck: dont need it, just had a thought about shared memory and wondered
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[17:26] mraleph: bradeleymeck: mapping one C++ object to several JS objects in different isolates... it would be a bit painful :-)
[17:26] ryah: piscisaureus: ?
[17:27] ryah: piscisaureus: oh, is that your code?
[17:27] ryah: piscisaureus: if you want me to float patches, i can - but please commit the patch file
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[17:30] bradleymeck: mraleph i think it would be ok complexity wise but probably slower than counter based, just the walk could have to take a while so wanted to avoid it. as for the C++ host objects from addons etc, meh
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[17:36] ryah: piscisaureus: let's put together a gist with target API for tty stuff
[17:37] ryah: piscisaureus: i want to attempt to build the unix backend
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[17:46] Sembiance: hrm
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[17:48] devdrinker: i have a property set to enumerable:false basically an 'extends' method that hangs off object.prototype it seems to get included in JSON serialization 
[17:48] piscisaureus: ryah: I'm not really available now really, should be in 1-2 hours
[17:48] tjholowaychuk: devdrinker: hmm it should not be
[17:49] tjholowaychuk: enumerable: false is the default though BTW
[17:49] devdrinker: well at least that what Im think is happening, let me check node-couchdb lib to ensure they are using JSON.stringify as basically the query object ends up looking like ..&extend=function blah blah
[17:50] tjholowaychuk: Object.defineProperty(obj, 'foo', { value: bar }) should be good enough
[17:50] devdrinker: yeah that what i got except with emerable: false too
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[17:52] devdrinker: ah bullocks ignore, its my implementation of extends
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[18:05] mnbvasd_: hi, I'm having trouble with node closing long-lived connections on me.. it seems to close them after a few minutes if it's not received data on it... I've tried things like: socket.setTimeout(0); , socket.setKeepAlive(enable=true,60000); , socket.setNoDelay(noDelay=true); , and also setInterval( function(){socket.send(" \n");},50000 ); - none of which seem to solve my problem... anyone got any ideas, or can point me at an obvious mistake?
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[18:06] mnbvasd_: I'm using the dev branch, and have been having this issue from v3.2 to v3.4
[18:07] tjholowaychuk: enable=true ? you are not actually writing that right?
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[18:07] tjholowaychuk: setKeepAlive(true..) ?
[18:07] mnbvasd_: yeah, should I just write true? 
[18:07] tjholowaychuk: yeah
[18:07] tjholowaychuk: otherwise you are creating globals
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[18:07] mnbvasd_: ok thanks.
[18:07] davidc_: tswicegood, ping
[18:07] tjholowaychuk: mnbvasd_: coming from py?
[18:08] tswicegood: davidc_: pong
[18:08] vprajapa: when running make on cygwin I'm getting {task: libv8.a SConstruct -> libv8.a} error
[18:08] CIA-121: node: 03isaacs 07master * r6f5d95d 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[18:08] CIA-121: node: child_process: Add gid/uid flags to spawn config
[18:08] CIA-121: node: This is mostly working, but not completely ideal for two reasons.
[18:08] CIA-121: node: 1. Rather than emitting an error on the ChildProcess object when the
[18:08] CIA-121: node: setgid/setuid fails, it is simply printing the error to stderr and
[18:08] CIA-121: node: exiting. The same happens with the cwd, so that's not completely
[18:08] CIA-121: node: terrible.
[18:08] mnbvasd_: tjholowaychuk: not really, I've done a little - but I mainly do shell and perl nowerdays...
[18:08] tjholowaychuk: ah ok
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[18:10] mnbvasd_: tjholowaychuk: I thought it was a bit strange, but then I find js a bit strange.
[18:11] tjholowaychuk: was that in the docs or something?
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[18:11] mnbvasd_: tjholowaychuk: aye, though I think it's more luser error, as it's basic js rather than node specific.
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[18:12] tjholowaychuk: yeah I guess they just use that to illustrate the defaults
[18:12] tjholowaychuk: ive seen that throw people off a few times though
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[18:17] mnbvasd_: tjholowaychuk: thanks, it looks to have solved my problem :)
[18:18] bitdrift: is it possible to force require() to load certain modules from a local path instead of the system path?
[18:18] bitdrift: I thought this might work: require.paths.unshift(__dirname + "/support"); 
[18:18] bitdrift: but apparently not :-(
[18:19] bitdrift: still loads the system modules unless I use a path
[18:19] CIA-121: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * rb923296 10/ (doc/api/streams.markdown doc/api/util.markdown): Fix spelling mistakes - http://bit.ly/epYEoE
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[18:20] mnbvasd_: hmm..
[18:20] mnbvasd_: nope, not solved my problem.
[18:20] c4milo: tjholowaychuk: expresssjs complains if I try to register one route twice?
[18:21] mnbvasd_: exactly 10 minutes.
[18:21] c4milo: tjholowaychuk: sorry for the question I haven't how to test that in this moment 
[18:21] c4milo: i don't ahve
[18:21] tjholowaychuk: hm
[18:21] tjholowaychuk: does it?
[18:21] EGreg: hi
[18:22] tjholowaychuk: not sure if i have tried that, same method as well?
[18:22] c4milo: tjholowaychuk: probably no 
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[18:36] Aikar: anyway to access 'locals' in node like you would be able to do window.X in browser?
[18:36] tjholowaychuk: Aikar: global.foo
[18:36] tjholowaychuk: ?
[18:37] jimmyjazz14: Aikar, you mean globals?
[18:37] Aikar: var a = 1;
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[18:37] Aikar: then being able to do blah.a
[18:38] tjholowaychuk: ?
[18:38] jimmyjazz14: 'a' is in scope
[18:38] tjholowaychuk: wups
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[18:38] Aikar: basically trying to do  var a = 1, b = 2; ['a','b'].forEach(function(c) { //do something for vars and and b
[18:38] Aikar: to avoid duplication of code
[18:39] Aikar: sure i could put those vars in an object, but would be nice for a diff way
[18:39] Aria: Yea?
[18:39] Aria: I'd just var o = {a: 1, b: 2}; for(var c in o) { // do something with o[c]
[18:40] Aria: Since that's almost exactly what you want.
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[18:40] Aikar: it is, was just trying to do it w/o changing those vars around
[18:41] jimmyjazz14: Aikar, why pass the names (as strings) when you could just pass the value itself?
[18:41] Aikar: going to use it for another object too which shares same names
[18:42] jimmyjazz14: Aikar, sounds like some black magic
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[18:43] devdrinker: http://pastie.org/1449230 is it possible that this can cause a stackoverflow, or does setTimeout presumably break the stack?
[18:43] Aikar: i have 4 objects which behave the same way, and i want to extract info out of each one and store it into a new object, so rather than 4 code blocks that extracts from 1 and stores to new, save some code
[18:45] jimmyjazz14: Aikar, then why is 'a' and 'b' not part of an object?
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[18:46] jimmyjazz14: devdrinker, you are probably safe
[18:47] stride: guys, anybody knows which version of node-amqp is currently advisable to fork when you want to add some stuff?
[18:47] Aikar: jimmyjazz14: not a problem for it to be, just when i originally wrote the code for it i did var objtest1 = blah.getObj('test1'), objtest2 = blah.getObj('test2'), objtest3 = blah.getObj('test3'); and i then asked the question to see if i could achieve same thing w/o changing the code
[18:47] jimmyjazz14: anyone know why npm is suddenly putting all my packages in "<package_name>/n"
[18:48] isaacs: jimmyjazz14: whoa, that's weird
[18:48] isaacs: jimmyjazz14: npm config s
[18:48] isaacs: *npm config ls
[18:48] isaacs: then gist that^
[18:48] c4milo: isaacs: can we use npm with a private repository?
[18:48] isaacs: c4milo: sure.  npm help registry
[18:48] isaacs: c4milo: just change the "registry" config.
[18:49] c4milo: isaacs: cool, thanks 
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[18:50] jimmyjazz14: isaacs, http://pastebin.com/Bc0eHDhR
[18:50] c4milo: isaacs: doesn npm has this fancy web UI that mape did the other day in production?
[18:50] isaacs: c4milo: well, there's npm.mape.me, or search.npmjs.org
[18:50] isaacs: http://npm.mape.me and http://search.npmjs.org
[18:51] isaacs: jimmyjazz14: and it's putting packages where now?
[18:51] c4milo: isaacs: inotify doesn't show up :s 
[18:51] Aikar: isaacs: do you think you could add some form of 'export' command thatll export all npm installed libs into a barebone folder structure w/o symlinks?  ie npm install blah then npm export /path/to/project/libs/   would make ./libs/express ./libs/connect ./libs/socket.io etc so could then require.paths.unshift('./libs'); and require('socket.io') still work as expected. I ask cause you know windows isnt that friendly with the idea of symlinks, and trying to put the 
[18:52] isaacs: Aikar: making npm work without symlinks would be a HUGE undertaking.
[18:52] Aikar: ;(
[18:52] isaacs: Aikar: that is, not likely, not any time soon.
[18:52] isaacs: Aikar: also, you can't put relative dirs in require.paths
[18:53] isaacs: Aikar: doesn't windows have some kind of symlink function?  /cc piscisaureus 
[18:53] Aikar: i tried writing a script that exported the copy of /active/package/ of each library to my folder but stuff like express expects the require('connect/middleware/router') to be there which wasnt in the package folder
[18:53] Aikar: yeah but checking out/downloading project from linux box to work on gets iffy
[18:54] Aikar: and IDE seemed to of got stuck in an infinite recursion scan lol
[18:54] jimmyjazz14: isaacs, well for example I have a small package https://github.com/jamessanders/iterators.js and it installs it at ~/.node_libraries/iterators@0.0.1/c/iterators.js
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[18:54] Aikar: sounds right jimmyjazz14 
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[18:55] isaacs: jimmyjazz14: awesome, we got a test case.  just a sec.
[18:55] Aikar: look in the iterators@.001/ at index.js
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[18:55] sh1mmer: /msg ryah 
[18:55] ryah: sh1mmer: hey
[18:55] sh1mmer: hm
[18:55] sh1mmer: irc fail
[18:56] isaacs: jimmyjazz14: i get this: https://gist.github.com/7e801616fe749d128bcc
[18:57] jimmyjazz14: isaacs, yeah thats what I was originally getting
[18:57] isaacs: jimmyjazz14: so, what changed?
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[18:58] isaacs: jimmyjazz14: it seems like we're using the same version of npm
[18:59] jimmyjazz14: isaacs, I get http://pastie.org/1449309
[18:59] jimmyjazz14: isaacs, notice the directory 'c'
[18:59] isaacs: yeah
[18:59] isaacs: jimmyjazz14: what version of node?
[18:59] isaacs: (guessing path.join() or path.dirname() changes)
[18:59] jimmyjazz14: v0.2.6
[19:00] isaacs: aha.  k, just a second
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[19:01] isaacs: aha.  so... if you start your folder name with "./" then it works the same.  i think this is due to path.dirname() returning "" or something
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[19:01] isaacs: definitely some kind of path-string-length cutting issue
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[19:03] isaacs: ah, yep.  join returning "" instead of "."
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[19:06] jimmyjazz14: isaacs, okay adding "./src" to my package file (instead of just "src") fixed the problem
[19:06] isaacs: jimmyjazz14: i got a fix, one se
[19:06] isaacs: c
[19:08] isaacs: jimmyjazz14: npm i npm and it'll work
[19:09] isaacs: thanks for the find :)
[19:09] isaacs: (still feel free to add ./ onto the lib dir, of course, that'll still work)
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[19:13] jimmyjazz14: isaacs, thanks for the fix
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[19:18] bingomanatee_: : sends isaacs two porn stars
[19:19] isaacs: bingomanatee: ...thanks?
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[19:21] ryah: :)
[19:22] pkrumins: ryah: we'll be in SF tomorrow! we're meeting Brian Noguchi and also meeting with sauce labs.
[19:23] pkrumins: sauce labs at 12:30, and then Brian Noguchi at 3pm.
[19:23] pkrumins: we could all meet and have lunch
[19:23] ryah: pkrumins: sweet - come by for an early lunch?
[19:23] SubStack: oh yeah and I was poking around at runInNewContext and runInThisContext and it looks possible to make `exports = ...` work
[19:23] ryah: pkrumins: or after your meetings?
[19:23] pkrumins: after the meetings is better!
[19:24] ryah: ok
[19:24] pkrumins: where are you at?
[19:24] ryah: 345 california st, 20th floor
[19:24] pkrumins: sauce labs is on 3rd street
[19:24] pkrumins: ryah: joyent right?
[19:24] ryah: yeah
[19:25] pkrumins: close to 3rd street
[19:25] pkrumins: cool!
[19:25] pkrumins: ryah: if we meet Brian (he didnt yet respond to our email), can he come along?
[19:25] ryah: sure
[19:25] pkrumins: awesome!
[19:25] pkrumins: let's meet tomorrow then :)
[19:26] ryah: cool :)
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[19:29] jimmyjazz14: isaacs, I'm not sure that fixed it
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[19:42] piscisaureus: isaacs: Aikar: only vista and later come with symlink support. with quirks, as might be expected
[19:42] isaacs: jimmyjazz14: oh?  seeing other issues?
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[19:43] piscisaureus: on xp and 2k, something symlink-like exists for directories only ('junction points') but they have even more quirks and I'm not sure whether it's safe to use them
[19:44] ryah: doesn't windows have shortcuts?
[19:44] ryah: that's a symlink - right?
[19:44] steffkes: symlinks? not on windows
[19:44] piscisaureus: nope
[19:44] ryah: what is it?
[19:45] steffkes: there is nothing like that on windows
[19:45] piscisaureus: shortcuts are supported only by the explorer
[19:45] piscisaureus: steffkes: wrong
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[19:45] piscisaureus: vista and above have full symlink support
[19:45] steffkes: really?
[19:46] piscisaureus: did you ever wonder how it made c:\users and " c:\documents and settings" point to the same location
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[19:47] Aikar: piscisaureus: yes but it doesnt behave the same way. apps/explorer included see it as just another folder. 
[19:47] steffkes: piscisaureus, not really .. it's windows. so .. if it's working .. don't ask :D
[19:48] jimmyjazz14: isaacs, I am using npm 0.2.14-6 now and the exact same problem as before is happening
[19:48] isaacs: orly?
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[19:51] isaacs: jimmyjazz14: did you remove the iterators package and clean the cache before re-installing?
[19:51] jimmyjazz14: isaacs, yeah
[19:51] isaacs: hm...
[19:51] jimmyjazz14: pretty weird stuff
[19:51] isaacs: npm rm iterators ; npm cache clean ; npm install
[19:51] c4milo: isaacs: can I just added a new package source to npm?
[19:52] c4milo: isaacs: just like I can do with apt-get 
[19:52] c4milo: s/added/add/
[19:52] Aikar: hmm, whats syntax for a hot require, i thought it was require.hot ?
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[19:52] isaacs: c4milo: i dont' understand teh question
[19:53] c4milo: isaacs: do you know apt-get?
[19:53] isaacs: c4milo: you want to publish something?  or install something?
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[19:53] isaacs: c4milo: a little yeah
[19:53] isaacs: oh, you want a new registry
[19:53] isaacs: c4milo: it only talks to one registry at a time.
[19:53] c4milo: isaacs: ohh I see 
[19:53] c4milo: isaacs: that would be a cool feature
[19:53] isaacs: c4milo: the registry is a couchapp.  you can replicate it if you want, or selectively replicate it.
[19:53] isaacs: c4milo: yeah, but it's very not easy.
[19:53] c4milo: isaacs: yes, I understand
[19:54] isaacs: c4milo: imagine writing a proxy server that gets requests and then routes them to the appropriate registry.
[19:54] isaacs: you'll get a request like /foo/1.2.3
[19:54] c4milo: isaacs: yeah, that could be a workaround 
[19:55] isaacs: c4milo: ok, now you get a PUT request.
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[19:55] isaacs: where do you write it?
[19:55] c4milo: isaacs: I wanted a similar behavior to gem —source 
[19:55] isaacs: if someone wants to go through the effort to explicitly detail how each edge case would work, i have no philosophical objection.
[19:55] isaacs: it's just not nearly as easy as it seems once you really dig into it
[19:55] jimmyjazz14: isaacs, having multiple repos would be nice
[19:56] isaacs: jimmyjazz14: yeah, sure.  the hard part is all the writing stuff.
[19:56] isaacs: and the reading is kinda tricky a lot of time,s too
[19:56] isaacs: you basically lose the referential consistency of the dependent relationships, and end up having to deal with conflicts, where before there were none.
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[19:57] jimmyjazz14: isaacs, could it not just ask you which repo you want to publish to?
[19:57] isaacs: jimmyjazz14: right.  perhaps you could specify that with the "registry" config ;{
[19:57] isaacs: ;P
[19:57] jimmyjazz14: ?
[19:57] isaacs: it means making all the registry stuff twice as complicated.
[19:57] isaacs: right now, it's like "what's the registry url?  great!  that's where i read from and write to!"
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[19:58] isaacs: it'd have to be "what are my registry urls?  which one do you want to write to?  what order should i try to read from them in?"
[19:58] isaacs: caching gets an extra layer of complexity, too
[19:58] isaacs: has to cache per-server rahter than just per-uri
[19:58] jimmyjazz14: isaacs, you just treat them all as one big repo
[19:58] isaacs: jimmyjazz14: that's not really an answer.
[19:58] jimmyjazz14: when reading
[19:59] isaacs: jimmyjazz14: i mean, i don't currently read from "one big repo".  i read from "one" repo
[19:59] jimmyjazz14: thats how most package managers do it
[19:59] isaacs: again, not saying it's impossible.  just that it's a lot harder than it looks.
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[19:59] isaacs: npm does a lot ofthings that most package managers don't do.
[19:59] jimmyjazz14: they just get a manifest from all the repos and combine them locally into a kinda single repo
[20:00] isaacs: and referential integrity of dependency links is important.
[20:01] isaacs: jimmyjazz14: so, just as a very light first step, the smallest possible way to move in that direction:
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[20:01] isaacs: supply a list of registry-read urls, right?
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[20:01] isaacs: when you try to look up something, if it's not in the first, try the second, etc.
[20:01] isaacs: 1. now needs to handle 404 responses differently.
[20:02] isaacs: 2. caching will be weird.  but i guess presuming that they're couchapps that replicate some or all of their data, ETag caching could still work, and you could still use one big cache.
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[20:02] isaacs: 3. registry.GET("/") will *never* 404, and has to be smart enough to fetch from all of them and collate.
[20:03] isaacs: 4. registryA might have /foo, but not /foo/1.2.3.  registryB might have /foo but not /foo/1.2.4
[20:03] jimmyjazz14: isaacs, most package managers use some sort of 'update' like command to download the latest package manifest from the server then store the repo data locally
[20:03] isaacs: so, if bar->foo@>=1.2.4, and you request /foo to see what verions are available, again, you have to be smart enough to fetch from all of them and collate.
[20:03] isaacs: jimmyjazz14: right.  npm doesn't.
[20:03] isaacs: jimmyjazz14: it fetches the data as needed, and caches it by etag and date.
[20:04] jimmyjazz14: isaacs, perhaps it should though
[20:04] isaacs: i have a problem with invalid data :)
[20:04] isaacs: i also have a problem with storing more data than you need.
[20:05] isaacs: downloading a monolithic list of several thousand modules from multiple different places is stupid.
[20:05] isaacs: yes, yes, i know apt-get does it.
[20:05] isaacs: it's stupid when apt-get does it, too.
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[20:05] jimmyjazz14: isaacs, why?
[20:05] mikeal-iPhone: Where is creationix?
[20:05] isaacs: jimmyjazz14: it's slow.
[20:05] creationix: mikeal-iPhone: hey
[20:06] isaacs: jimmyjazz14: slow to read, slow to generate on teh server, slow to download, slow to store
[20:06] mikeal-iPhone: Creationix: I'm at the fairy building
[20:06] possibilities: anyone know... is there a guide for rates per hour for programming based on the area?
[20:06] possibilities: some database of average rate based on language and location, etc
[20:06] jimmyjazz14: isaacs, speed has never been a problem for me with apt
[20:06] creationix: ok, mikeal-iPhone do you have my phone number
[20:07] isaacs: jimmyjazz14: apt packages only have one version each.
[20:07] isaacs: jimmyjazz14: that is, you usually just download the "debian-stable" or whatever.
[20:07] jimmyjazz14: isaacs, one installed version maybe
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[20:08] jimmyjazz14: but many versions are available in the repos
[20:08] isaacs: anyway, here's my point: npm's not gonna do it like apt.  different conceptual model, doesn't fit.  multiple registries are fine, but hard to implement.  if you wanna implement it, that's great, do it.
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[20:09] softdrink: is anyone using Springpad?
[20:09] isaacs: in teh meantime, there are bigger fish to fry
[20:09] isaacs: everyone who really cares a lot about this is already running their own registry, and it's easy to talk to any registry you want with the client, you just can only do one at a time.
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[20:10] jimmyjazz14: isaacs, I have nothing against the way npm does it, I am merely playing the devils advocate
[20:10] isaacs: jimmyjazz14: yeah.  i hear ya.
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[20:10] isaacs: jimmyjazz14: anyway, i can't repro this ./c/ thing
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[20:10] jimmyjazz14: isaacs, I'll try it on another machine just to make sure
[20:11] tjholowaychuk: why the sudden change of comma-first?
[20:11] tjholowaychuk: well lack of
[20:11] Aikar: tis ugly! lol
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[20:11] isaacs: jimmyjazz14: https://gist.github.com/775032
[20:11] tjholowaychuk: hah
[20:11] tjholowaychuk: node is so consistent lol
[20:12] isaacs: tjholowaychuk: closure-ilnter
[20:12] isaacs: tjholowaychuk: thank google.
[20:12] tjholowaychuk: FML
[20:12] tjholowaychuk: fuck lint crap man
[20:12] tjholowaychuk: wtf
[20:12] stride: hm. should node-utils/request do https requests on node 0.3.2 successfully?
[20:12] isaacs: tjholowaychuk: you are so far behind the times, man
[20:13] tjholowaychuk: lint is newbish lol its cool for detecting "real" issues
[20:13] tjholowaychuk: but thats about it
[20:14] russ_nyc: hi all, does anyone have experiance with http://caolanmcmahon.com/async.html
[20:14] qnt4b: where we looking here? node source?
[20:14] mgutz: russy_sync: i started using it
[20:15] russ_nyc: i am having trouble with the way it works. here is have my function http://pastie.org/1449679
[20:15] russ_nyc: and for some reason it just hangs.  it never makes to to the return statement
[20:15] qnt4b: the commas, I mean, and the putting of where...
[20:16] russ_nyc: im sure i am just doing something wrong here but i cant find any great documentation on how to set run the functions
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[20:19] mgutz: the code looks right as far as i can tail. h
[20:19] mgutz: The code looks right as far as i can tell. 
[20:19] jimmyjazz14: isaacs, just tried it on another machine and I got the same problem
[20:19] tjholowaychuk: isaacs: so you guys changed all of node, just to support this closure thing?
[20:19] tjholowaychuk: :s
[20:19] bradleymeck: tjholowaychuk, just wait on a linter that includes parsing for "bad practices" on the ast level
[20:19] jimmyjazz14: isaacs, fyi they are both linux boxes if that matters
[20:20] tjholowaychuk: bradleymeck: well yeah I mean catching globals n shit is all good, but it doesnt take a genious to realise "a = b" should not be "a=b" if the rest of project is following the first style
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[20:20] tjholowaychuk: insanely overrated
[20:21] mgutz: however, the value of `return fails` is not likely valid since since the filter is an async operation 
[20:21] bradleymeck: hey, some projects i have submitted patches to delete them cause I forget to strip whitespace at end of line
[20:21] russ_nyc: well it never makes it to return fails
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[20:22] russ_nyc: i just want to run all the engines in parrallel and if one fails then the entire function returns fail
[20:23] stride: \o/ [analytics] undefined (undefined Status: undefined Created: undefined): undefined
[20:23] tjholowaychuk: bradleymeck: yeah, its not like node maintains a graceful codebase though
[20:23] russ_nyc: but it gets to fails = results.length > 0 
[20:23] tjholowaychuk: it still looks like ass
[20:23] russ_nyc: and it hangs there
[20:23] qnt4b: oh I see, stripped commas from variable declarations, one-per now...
[20:23] qnt4b: bummer
[20:24] russ_nyc: it never makes it out of the loop
[20:26] bradleymeck: id rather have an ass looking codebase that follows sane design than some java stuff
[20:26] brianc: need moar singletonz
[20:27] tjholowaychuk: bradleymeck: yeah, but how is this linting any different than before, I dont see much of a benefit
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[20:27] tjholowaychuk: just me I guess
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[20:27] tjholowaychuk: IMO that effort should go to cleaning up what we have now
[20:27] tjholowaychuk: so it is actually readable
[20:28] bradleymeck: tjholowaychuk, its not. its dumb, but meh. If someone wanted to hook up a pretty printer to it I think it would make more sense
[20:28] piscisaureus: ryah: syn
[20:28] bradleymeck: variable names yay!
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[20:30] mgutz: russ_nyc: here's a simple example of filter https://gist.github.com/775066
[20:31] mgutz: must be something in decide()
[20:32] russ_nyc: as for right now i have decide always returning true
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[20:35] mgutz: is it possible engine.decide is in infinite loop? you're calling decide from decide function
[20:37] russ_nyc: it isnt caliing itself, theres another object with the method of decide
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[20:37] russ_nyc: mgutz: do you think there is a better way that this to run each in parralel and return false if any of the return false?
[20:38] milar: Hello. is there anyone here that can help me with the following error that i get when i run cloud9. Tried using both provided bin and own build from stable version of node. everything fires up ok. but when i try to open up a folder this message shows in my terminal where i run cloud9. FATAL ERROR: v8::HandleScope::Close() Local scope has already been closed.
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[20:57] ben_alman: does anyone know of an ansi color -> html javascript lib?
[20:57] ben_alman: i want to output a colored git diff to html, really
[20:58] mfernest: colored git? that's racist
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[20:59] konobi: diff2html
[20:59] ben_alman: so that's a python thing
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[21:00] Prometheus: huh
[21:00] Prometheus: how so :P
[21:00] ben_alman: or a bash script?
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[21:00] Prometheus: bash colors presumably
[21:00] ben_alman: i've seen both a python script and bash script called "Diff2html"
[21:01] ben_alman: i could also use pygments
[21:01] Prometheus: well surely there are scripts available in just about any language
[21:01] Prometheus: but pygments would make things easy
[21:01] ben_alman: i don't see one in javascript :)
[21:03] Prometheus: btw, I didn't know you did python, ben
[21:03] Prometheus: thought you were strictly php ;)
[21:03] Prometheus: (and javascript, obviously)
[21:03] ben_alman: i don't
[21:03] ben_alman: never used python
[21:03] ben_alman: mostly js
[21:03] ben_alman: some php
[21:03] ben_alman: very little php if i can help it
[21:04] ben_alman: i want to redo my site using node
[21:04] tjholowaychuk: ben_alman: ive done it for some CI stuff, nothing totally complete
[21:04] ben_alman: it = ?
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[21:04] tjholowaychuk: but .replace() with a function, then map the ansi escape codes to some classes on the tags you generate
[21:04] ben_alman: sorry, i'm talking about so many things at once
[21:05] ben_alman: yeah i thought about that too, the ansi codes aren't crazy by any means
[21:05] tjholowaychuk: its really easy if you only have to target a few codes
[21:05] ben_alman: yeah, git diffs aren't too crazy
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[21:06] DewBoy3d: I am reading a directory and getting Error: ENAMETOOLONG, File name too long. how can i know which file in the directory is causing that error? and how do i know what the filename size limit is?
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[21:07] mfernest: DewBoy3d: which OS are you using?
[21:07] wink_: DewBoy3d: thats going to be an OS dependency
[21:07] DewBoy3d: linux x86 32 bit (ubuntu 9.04)
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[21:10] mfernest: DewBoy3d: it's a limit attributed to the filesystem. I don't know if that's tunable or configurable with what you're using
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[21:14] c4milo: tjholowaychuk: do you know about some example of expressjs and requierejs?
[21:14] DewBoy3d: mfernest: thanks
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[21:17] tjholowaychuk: c4milo: requirejs?
[21:17] tjholowaychuk: express isnt for the client
[21:17] c4milo: tjholowaychuk: yes sir 
[21:17] c4milo: tjholowaychuk: you can use requirejs in nodejs as well
[21:17] tjholowaychuk: oh lol
[21:17] tjholowaychuk: well nope :p
[21:17] tjholowaychuk: no examples
[21:18] c4milo: tjholowaychuk: I don't want to use two different CommonJS implementations and the NodeJS implementation sucks 
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[21:19] tjholowaychuk: they all suck
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[21:35] piscisaureus: ryah: still gone
[21:35] piscisaureus: ?
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[21:37] ryah: here
[21:37] piscisaureus: ah, good
[21:37] piscisaureus: 1. you want patches floating on top of deps committed
[21:37] piscisaureus: i can do that for libev because it's a simple patch
[21:37] EGreg: hey
[21:37] EGreg: what's node.js up to these days, what's the roadmap?
[21:38] piscisaureus: but for libev it will be hard because there is so much
[21:38] piscisaureus: also freebsd and mac fixes - those aren't committed either
[21:38] piscisaureus: maintaining those patches in the repository will be a crime
[21:39] ryah: why?
[21:39] piscisaureus: why not do deps upgrades on a separate branch?
[21:39] ryah: piscisaureus: i don't know how to do that
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[21:39] ryah: how would that work?
[21:39] piscisaureus: let me explain, just a sec, it takes some drawing :-)
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[21:44] piscisaureus: A -B - C -D -E - M
[21:44] piscisaureus:       \ - C' ------ /
[21:44] piscisaureus: suppose B = the last time libeio was unpatched
[21:44] piscisaureus: C-E are commits on master, that may also affect libeio
[21:44] piscisaureus: now you do a libeio upgrade in C', then merge that commit in M'
[21:44] piscisaureus: Now if you want to upgrade libeio again, some time later, the next upgrade gets C' as its parent, and it is merged again, so it looks like this:
[21:45] piscisaureus: A -B - C -D -E - M - F - G - N
[21:45] piscisaureus:       \ - C' ------- / - D' -----/
[21:45] piscisaureus: Where D' is the new libeio upgrade and F,G are commits to master that may change libeio
[21:45] ben_alman: creationix: your node-git example shows Git.exists and Git.getTags .. but those methods don't even exist!
[21:45] ben_alman: do you have them in a branch or something?
[21:45] piscisaureus: ryah: ^
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[21:47] ryah: piscisaureus: :/
[21:47] piscisaureus: ryah: don't understand or don't like?
[21:47] ryah: don't understand
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[21:48] piscisaureus: ryah: hmm. I must be a bad teacher. take 2 coming up
[21:48] ryah: so i upgrade libeio in a separate branch?
[21:49] bradleymeck: tjholowaychuk, ping?
[21:49] tjholowaychuk: bradleymeck: pong
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[21:49] ryah: piscisaureus: which was branched before changes?
[21:49] bradleymeck: tj, did you ever get a window container setup for node-canvas?
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[21:49] ryah: then merge it back in ?
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[21:50] tjholowaychuk: bradleymeck: nope
[21:50] tjholowaychuk: no personal need for it
[21:50] piscisaureus: to bootstrap it, branch master before changes
[21:50] piscisaureus: then upgrade in that branch
[21:51] piscisaureus: now we have an upgrade commit X where the dep is upgraded but without node-specific patches
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[21:51] piscisaureus: this branch gets merged into master
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[21:51] piscisaureus: now if you want to upgrade the same dep some other time, you switch back to X
[21:51] piscisaureus: there you do the upgrade
[21:51] bradleymeck: k that answers my questions then
[21:51] piscisaureus: then the upgrade branch gets merged to master, again
[21:52] piscisaureus: the node merge logic will make sure that you don't lose your node-specific patches
[21:52] piscisaureus: it's simple really
[21:52] piscisaureus: ehm node merge logic = git merge logic
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[21:55] CIA-121: node: 03isaacs 07master * r435ece5 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): child_process: Support setting uid/gid by name - http://bit.ly/ewKkIA
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[21:56] isaacs: horray!
[21:56] ryah: isaacs: thanks
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[21:57] ryah: piscisaureus: okay
[21:58] ryah: let's try it with libeio, i think there are new changes
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[21:58] piscisaureus: okay, we nned too find a commit where libeio is unpatched but the same version as in master (let's hope one still exists)
[21:59] piscisaureus: ryah: best bet would be c5183738388e8e5cbfcac7deccec1d960389ae9d
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[22:00] ben_alman: how can i download a newer version of a git repo than npm has and use that instead of what's in npm?
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[22:00] piscisaureus: ryah: git checkout -B vanilla-libeio c5183738388
[22:00] isaacs: ben_alman: git clone (whatever) ; cd (whatever) ; npm link
[22:01] piscisaureus: now upgrade libeio && commit
[22:01] ben_alman: thanks!
[22:01] isaacs: ben_alman: here's the fun part, you might be able do get teh repo from npm
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[22:01] ben_alman: o rly
[22:01] isaacs: ben_alman: git clone $(npm view <pkg> repository.url)
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[22:01] ryah: piscisaureus: lol, that's pretty long ago
[22:01] ryah: :)
[22:01] isaacs: ben_alman: you can also cd into that dir, and do `npm install` if you don't plan to make changes.
[22:02] ben_alman: do i have to uninstall the current version first?
[22:02] ryah: oh man
[22:02] ryah: you have to see this file...
[22:02] isaacs: ben_alman: nah, it'll overwrite it
[22:02] piscisaureus: ryah: I think U was wrong
[22:02] piscisaureus: i mean i was wrong
[22:02] ryah: http://nodejs.org/old_spec/ <-
[22:02] piscisaureus: should be 61448bfc4e0714dbe
[22:02] ryah: \m/
[22:03] piscisaureus: :-)
[22:03] piscisaureus: I wasn't born then
[22:03] bradleymeck: nice ryah
[22:03] ryah: we should use that css file for our docs
[22:03] ryah: looks so cool
[22:04] ben_alman: thanks isaacs, now if only compress worked :/
[22:04] isaacs: ben :)
[22:04] piscisaureus: ryah: honestly, I don't know how to download the latest libeio CVS
[22:04] bradleymeck: can we get a wiki set of docs that just posts updates to a maintainer?
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[22:04] piscisaureus: No tengo cliento do CVS
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[22:04] bradleymeck: id rather that than css
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[22:06] ryah: bradleymeck: maybe there is some comment overlay service we can add to the docs
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[22:06] ryah: bradleymeck: we could put a button on there to enable it
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[22:07] piscisaureus: 
ACTION powering up a virtualbox for just a cvs checkout

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[22:09] bradleymeck: ryah, ill look up something with comment overlay
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[22:10] dingomanatee: "A dingo ate my manatee"
[22:10] dspree: hilarious
[22:11] dspree: :D !
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[22:13] ryah: piscisaureus: i think it worked
[22:14] EGreg: dingo lol
[22:14] EGreg: australianz
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[22:15] piscisaureus: ryah: then your master should look like mine now
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[22:16] CIA-121: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * rb8d63c1 10/ (9 files): Upgrade libeio - http://bit.ly/eae57z
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[22:17] CIA-121: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r464f5d4 10/ (9 files): 
[22:17] CIA-121: node: Merge branch 'vanilla-libeio'
[22:17] CIA-121: node: Conflicts:
[22:17] CIA-121: node:  deps/libeio/config.h.in - http://bit.ly/dZwXzO
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[22:18] piscisaureus: ryah: well done
[22:19] piscisaureus: ryah: If you need to do another libev upgrade, apply it on top of the `vanilla` branch, then merge that branch again
[22:20] piscisaureus: ryah: and to inspect everything that we're floating on top of libeio, just `git diff vanilla-libeio..master -- deps/libeio` does the trick
[22:20] piscisaureus: sweet, hah
[22:21] jbergstroem: ryah: i'm trying to look at the build failures at my slave. do you perhaps know which openssl versions other buildslaves run? 
[22:21] jbergstroem: s/build failures/test failures
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[22:21] ryah: jbergstroem: i think they're all running 0.9 something
[22:23] jimmyjazz14: isaacs, you around?
[22:23] jbergstroem: ryah: could be one possible reason; i'm at 1.0.0c. i'll try downgrading on another box and see what happens
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[22:24] bradleymeck: ryah, for free commenting and easy to integrate, disqus.com seems to be well qualified
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[22:25] ryah: jbergstroem: which error?
[22:25] jbergstroem:  release test-tls-securepair-client 
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[22:27] ryah: jbergstroem: what's the output?
[22:28] jbergstroem: ryah: http://buildbot.nodejs.org:8010/builders/Gentoo%2032bit/builds/174/steps/shell_2/logs/stdio , search for above
[22:31] ryah: jbergstroem: the output looks good
[22:32] ryah: i wonder which assert is fialing...
[22:32] milar: Hello. is there anyone here that can help me with the following error that i get when i run cloud9. Tried using both provided bin and own build from stable version of node. everything fires up ok. but when i try to open up a folder this message shows in my terminal where i run cloud9. FATAL ERROR: v8::HandleScope::Close() Local scope has already been closed.
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[22:35] bradleymeck: ryah looks like assert is failing due to timeout in process.on("exit"...)?
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[22:36] CIA-121: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r6dbf491 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Use html5 spec stylesheet for docs - http://bit.ly/hF3g0M
[22:36] bradleymeck: milar that is a pretty specific question that ajax.org people would know better, somewhere the C++ parts are not doing the proper thing
[22:36] bradleymeck: a gist of the stack trace might help if you can strace it
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[22:39] milar: alright thx. 
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[22:41] ryah: jbergstroem: it's about the exit code
[22:41] ryah: or something...
[22:41] ryah: jbergstroem: if you run that test, how long does it take?
[22:41] ryah: longer than 5 seconds?
[22:42] Anti-X: more than 9000
[22:42] Anti-X: !!11!1
[22:42] piscisaureus: ryah: curl https://github.com/piscisaureus/node/commit/680181397fdf6dd9554fe0071c1c6b57c0337e74.patch | git am -3
[22:43] piscisaureus: :-)
[22:43] hornairs: is there an easy way to call .apply while constructing an instance? i dont know if i could call new MyConstructor.apply(), what context do i pass?
[22:44] bradleymeck: you dont use.appy with new, make a defaulted object lets call it myObj then MyConstructor.apply(myObj,[...])
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[22:48] CIA-121: node: 03Bert Belder 07master * rb9540c2 10/ deps/libev/ev.c : Libev windows fixes - http://bit.ly/ekgRmg
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[22:49] jbergstroem: ryah: looking at the timings (02:31 -> 02:36), i'd say yes
[22:49] ryah: jbergstroem: can i have access to that machine?
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[22:50] jbergstroem: ryah: i'll set up an account, could you mail me a pubkey (its getting late here too, would 12-13 hours bee to much of a wait?)
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[22:53] mikeal: ryah: are the new docs going live?
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[22:54] ryah: mikeal: ?
[22:54] mikeal: i thought we had new docs
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[22:56] ryah: mikeal: nope...
[22:56] mikeal: hrm....
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[22:56] mikeal: maybe it was just something micheil was showing me
[22:57] mikeal: i love it on the mailing list, when ryah is like "we aren't going to do that ever" and people just keep talking about it
[22:57] ryah: mikeal: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.3.4/api/ ?
[22:57] mikeal: people love to just waste their time entirely
[22:57] mikew3c: ryah: just wanted to give you a heads-up that because I noticed that http://nodejs.org/old_spec/ uses <html lang="en-US-x-hixie"> and <link href="http://www.whatwg.org/style/specification">, we have decided that we can now claim that node is part of HTML5
[22:57] mikeal: this could be it 
[22:57] mikeal: oh definitely, this was it
[22:57] ryah: mikew3c: :)
[22:57] mikeal: i was looking at the single page last time
[22:58] mikeal: and they are still talking about it....
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[23:00] bradleymeck: mikeal topics always stay popped up like that, had to post on it cause I haven't heard ryah say 100% no to it til then
[23:00] mikeal: he did, in that thread :)
[23:00] mikeal: that one isn't the worst current thread tho
[23:00] mikeal: there are two about adding non-async io
[23:01] mikeal: which is like
[23:01] bradleymeck: yep :), which is fine by me, as I can now link it
[23:01] mikeal: did you miss the entire point of node.js?
[23:01] bradleymeck: shhhh
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[23:01] bradleymeck: node.js needs non-async io so that... we can hide the problems of what we write and go back to semawhores
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[23:02] bradleymeck: well anywho it seems people dont understand that the process is sitting there doing nothing
[23:02] mikeal: like
[23:02] stride: hrhr
[23:02] mikeal: if you have node.js + sync IO
[23:02] mikeal: it wouldn't be node.js
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[23:03] mikeal: and like, sure, go do that, good luck and all
[23:03] mikeal: i won't be using it
[23:03] bradleymeck: it would be ringo.js - threads which is... odd
[23:03] mikeal: but if you think it's a blocker for the whole world, go ahead and build it
[23:03] stride: and we should rethink that <?node ?> approach
[23:03] mikeal: stride: huh?
[23:04] bradleymeck: dont give me no php template style file
[23:04] stride: mikeal: just kidding
[23:05] mikeal: jspp *uses* node, it's not like, part of node
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[23:05] stride: wow. that thread on the list really got big.. meh 
[23:05] mikeal: it fills a use case, but it's definitely not for every use case
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[23:15] piscisaureus: ryah: when you're not too busy we can discuss the tty api
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[23:20] piscisaureus: https://gist.github.com/29da783028be9a516230
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[23:36] brianc: mikeal: just saw jspp - very impressive
[23:36] SubStack: I don't get the hate either
[23:36] mikeal: thanks
[23:36] mikeal: going for simple
[23:37] mikeal: really want to get rid of that end() callback
[23:37] SubStack: php sucks becuse the language sucks not because <? code ?> can't work
[23:37] mape: tjholowaychuk: Around?
[23:38] brianc: yah
[23:38] tjholowaychuk: mape: yip
[23:38] tjholowaychuk: yup*
[23:38] mape: tjholowaychuk: Was wondering, any way of using spark to keep the children alive?
[23:38] CIA-121: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r8e46167 10/ test/simple/test-tls-securepair-client.js : 
[23:38] CIA-121: node: Put a little delay into test-tls-securepair-client.js
[23:38] CIA-121: node: Avoids race. openssl s_server is a terrible program. - http://bit.ly/eIGedk
[23:38] mape: Ie if one dies just create a new one
[23:38] tjholowaychuk: mape: nah, I was going to add that stuff way back when I started it
[23:38] tjholowaychuk: but tim / myself clashed with what it should do
[23:38] tjholowaychuk: so its kinda dead
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[23:39] mape: Oh :/
[23:40] mape: Using it for a project at work and works really nice with 8 express+socket.io instances
[23:40] tjholowaychuk: joys of working with other peopel
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[23:40] tjholowaychuk: we will be replacing it within the next few months, not sure what the priority is for that project
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[23:40] malkomalko: anyone have any suggestions for injecting new columns into a tsv data file with node?  I've been spawning off awk processes to do the job but it's kind've crappy and jams things up
[23:41] mape: tjholowaychuk: higher priority then that date thingy? ;)
[23:41] tjholowaychuk: I dont think so
[23:41] tjholowaychuk: not sure
[23:41] tjholowaychuk: haha
[23:41] mape: So how much time do you reccon it takes to make spark self healing?
[23:41] tjholowaychuk: not to much, but we have some other ideas so the spark model wont work to well
[23:41] tjholowaychuk: although I like all the cli config
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[23:42] tjholowaychuk: but this one will be far more extensible
[23:42] ryah: piscisaureus: hey. looks okay
[23:43] ryah: piscisaureus: id rather stick the constants on require('tty')
[23:43] piscisaureus: ryah: ok
[23:43] mape: tjholowaychuk: more manager features?
[23:43] piscisaureus: ryah: more comments?
[23:43] tjholowaychuk: mape: yeah, all kinds of stuff
[23:44] ryah: piscisaureus: stdout.cursorTo(null, 0); ?
[23:44] ryah: piscisaureus: first column current line?
[23:44] piscisaureus: move cursor to column 0, same line
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[23:45] ryah: we need an eraseRight() 
[23:45] ryah: or clearRight()
[23:46] piscisaureus: whatever can be supported with an ansi control char
[23:46] piscisaureus: I didn't do an in-depth check into what control codes exist and what is used by readline
[23:46] ryah: also - it's missing a setRaw()
[23:47] echosystm: hey dudes, i'm working on my first module that i'm hoping to get on npm
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[23:47] piscisaureus: ryah: what should it do (defined in a platform-independent manner)
[23:48] mayfield: node.js is amazing!
[23:48] ryah: for example '\n' coming in will not print a line in the output
[23:48] echosystm: now, a pet hate of mine is the sort of thing that goes on in the CPAN world, where every cowboy does things 'their way'^tm
[23:48] ryah: \t rather
[23:48] piscisaureus: oh so disable echo?
[23:48] mayfield: the cloud server bindings are nice as well!
[23:48] ryah: so there are various options - right now we just have raw and normal
[23:48] pquerna: can someone else make a wsdl to node generator for me.
[23:49] pquerna: kthxbye
[23:49] echosystm: so i'm trying to get a better grasp of the node.js best practices and intend to write some kind of style guide from my findings
[23:49] echosystm: would anyone be interested in this?
[23:49] mayfield: of course.
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[23:49] piscisaureus: well we could define raw as 'no echo + ... ' but I need to know what exactly 
[23:50] pquerna: echosystm: +1;  We have been trying to follow the google closure code styles more or less.
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[23:50] ryah: piscisaureus: https://github.com/ry/node/blob/b9cfd9527acad0a686083078863bff028dfd785a/src/node_stdio.cc#L49-61
[23:50] ryah: piscisaureus: well, what settings do you have?
[23:50] softdrink: damn.  can't seem to do generated css content around input placeholders
[23:51] piscisaureus: relevant ones:
[23:51] piscisaureus: * echo 
[23:52] piscisaureus: * line input (as opposed to char input)
[23:52] ryah: yes, yes
[23:52] ryah: (raw = char input)
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[23:53] piscisaureus: * insert mode (in line edit mode only)
[23:53] piscisaureus: * (mouse event)
[23:53] piscisaureus: * ctrl+c raw
[23:53] piscisaureus: * (select text with mouse)
[23:53] piscisaureus: * capture buffer size changes
[23:54] piscisaureus: for output
[23:54] ryah: capture buffer size changes?
[23:54] piscisaureus: * interpret backspace, tab, BELL, CR, LF on/off
[23:54] piscisaureus: * wrap at eol
[23:54] piscisaureus: is like sigwinch
[23:55] ryah: piscisaureus: anyway - just set some we'll need to play with them to get readline working
[23:55] piscisaureus: but it triggers if the buffer size changes (so not the console window but the underlying text buffer)
[23:55] ryah: but raw is basically no echo, char input
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[23:55] ryah: wnat the ctrl+c too
[23:56] piscisaureus: yeah ok
[23:56] piscisaureus: should distinguish between output raw mode and input raw mode
[23:56] echosystm: ryah: quick question - what is your convention for package names? i noticed some are like 'some_name', while others use 'somename'. also, what do double leading underscores (eg. __somevar) and a single trailing underscore (eg. super_) signify?
[23:56] piscisaureus: but I don't think there is anything raw about output atm
[23:57] echosystm: i want to write my code in as similar way to the standard library as possible
[23:58] piscisaureus: ryah: what are the kind of keys that can be captured on linux
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[23:58] piscisaureus: ryah: on windows anything can be discerned, like LCTRL+numpad6 != RCTRL+6
[23:59] ryah: piscisaureus: look at this 
[23:59] ryah: https://github.com/ry/node/blob/b92329667ff1f32a112e277bbb3cd6bc192c6f6d/lib/readline.js#L320