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[00:00] tmzt: dojo :)
[00:00] bingomanatee: Yep - express really does most of the work for you; however if as pHcF claims you are simply not code friendly, Drupal really is a problem solver. 
[00:00] tmzt: which project? the only one I see talks about zend
[00:01] bingomanatee: one second. 
[00:01] tmzt: awesome I was about to write one of these :)
[00:02] tmzt: what I'm looking for is somethign that associates data on one of these ajax pages with an account, but anybody can make a new page with just markdown
[00:02] bingomanatee: https://github.com/bignomanatee/deformer is my form module. 
[00:02] tmzt: or something like that
[00:02] bingomanatee: It is pretty alpha but it has been consistently performant. 
[00:02] tmzt: still don't see it
[00:02] tmzt: oh
[00:02] bingomanatee: If you guys want to give me a second I'll push my latest version into the repos. 
[00:03] tmzt: I had the wrong username :)
[00:03] tmzt: your tranposed friend is doing something with zend
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[00:04] bingomanatee: I worked with Zend Framework on Zupal, a project much like pHcF
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[00:04] bingomanatee: it mutated into a mongo ORM that is quite nice for PHP / Mongo interaction. 
[00:05] bingomanatee: I think the Zupal on git is wildly out of date - mylatest work is on google code. 
[00:05] bingomanatee: I should kill Zupal on git to avoid confusing peiople 
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[00:06] tmzt: this is what I meant https://github.com/bingomanatee/wonderland-labs
[00:06] bingomanatee: Yeah that is me too. 
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[00:07] tmzt: what does the client side of that look like?
[00:07] bingomanatee: ugly as s**t
[00:07] tmzt: I'm looking to got dojo json to orm with the name of the ajax page as an additional tag
[00:07] bingomanatee: I think most people who use Dojo eventually regret not using jQuery instead. Its very strucuturally robust but a bit of a pill
[00:08] tmzt: I wish I had the url support
[00:08] bingomanatee: I used it for a long time ittermittently
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[00:08] tmzt: I just happened to learn dojo for the last project, I might look at jquery I'm not sure, there's little ui for this project
[00:09] bingomanatee: Its just more "mature" - it has a lot more usage and development. 
[00:09] bingomanatee: I mean they have mobile use cases for like seven different mobile platforms. 
[00:09] bingomanatee: And their AJAX coverage is quite good. 
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[00:10] bingomanatee: Also have you investigated the capacity of web sockets? 
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[00:20] bingomanatee: tmzt: I added a use case to deformer's README - hope it heops
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[00:32] tmzt: bingomanatee_: so it's basically generating a <form> from a list of fields?
[00:32] tmzt: but those are supplied in source
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[00:52] lightcatcher: I'm new to node. Which couchdb client is recommended?
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[00:55] lightcatcher: no couchdb client recommendations?
[00:57] bingomanate_thin: one sec - there was a bit on couch in the last node conference. Let me see if I can find a reference to it. 
[00:58] lightcatcher: thanks a ton
[00:58] lightcatcher: on github, node-couchdb has the most followers, but it is no longer maintained
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[01:02] lightcatcher: bingomanate_thin: is this it? http://jsconf.eu/2010/speaker/nodejs_couchdb_crazy_delicious.html
[01:02] bingomanate_thin: Heah I found a reference to node-couchdb on line - I think for the most part we used REST with node in the node camp. 
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[01:04] bingomanate_thin: This guy, http://www.mikealrogers.com/, spoke at node.js camp on couch db; I'd suggest hunting him down with your questions. 
[01:04] bingomanate_thin: lightcatcher: ^^
[01:04] lightcatcher: thanks, i linked his video
[01:04] lightcatcher: http://jsconf.eu/2010/speaker/nodejs_couchdb_crazy_delicious.html
[01:04] lightcatcher: currently watching
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[01:06] bingomanate_thin: Just out of curiosity does anyone have any feedback as to the spread of sql and nosql repo systems that are being used through node at this point?
[01:08] maushu: mongodb
[01:11] jashkenas-work_: Is there a way to get fs.watchFile to pick up new files that are added to a directory?
[01:11] maushu: pool it.
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[01:13] maushu: I would count the number of files and the mtime. That could work.
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[01:16] jashkenas-work_: maushu: repeatedly stat the directory?
[01:16] maushu: Pretty much.
[01:16] maushu: I believe that is watch does.
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[01:17] jashkenas-work_: I thought that's what the native watchFile support was supposed to prevent.
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[01:27] Jezek: i can't send any messages using socket.io. anyone else have this problem?
[01:29] Jezek: i should get messages in console when a client connects right?
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[01:36] Jezek: http://pastebin.com/QTUHMxNF
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[01:44] bingomanatee: This isn't "informed help" as such, but I would save your function arguments to an object and dump it to console. 
[01:45] bingomanatee: That way you can dell whether the problem is parameter mismatches, or that the callbacks aren't getting called at all...
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[03:01] Jezek: anyone have an example with node.js where there are multiple chat room channels
[03:04] Sembiance: nope, sorry.
[03:06] Aria: No, but it's not hard. Tag each message with a channel, separate as needed.
[03:06] Jezek: oh
[03:07] Jezek: makes sense
[03:07] Jezek: should i use mysql to check what channel the client is connected to?
[03:08] mjr_: Do you have more than one node server handling chat?
[03:08] Jezek: no
[03:08] mjr_: Then just keep it all in node.
[03:08] mjr_: Way easier
[03:09] Aria: Yeah. Only go out of process if you need to.
[03:09] Jezek: can i store additional client data besides the session id?
[03:09] pHcF: guys, how can i create an object with a custom name, like an object using a string name?
[03:09] mjr_: Jezek: sure, nearly all objects in JavaScript are mutable.  
[03:10] Jezek: mutable?
[03:10] mjr_: Jezek: you can generally just make up new properties wherever you like.
[03:10] Jezek: ok
[03:10] Jezek: where does node.js store the client data?
[03:11] mjr_: Like say node hands you an HTTP request and response object, you can just say request.myprop = myval; and that's cool.
[03:11] Jezek: ah
[03:11] mjr_: pHcF: what do you mean by "custom" name?
[03:11] Aria: Node doesn't stop between requests, Jezek. So wherever you store it, it stays.
[03:12] pHcF: mjr_: like var "myobject_with_a_string" = 0;
[03:12] pHcF: mjr_: creating a var with a string name
[03:12] pHcF: so that i can access this object by the string name
[03:12] pHcF: im developing a simple javascript api
[03:12] pHcF: and there will be an object that the user will choose the name
[03:12] Jezek: what does that have to do with node?
[03:12] Jezek: ##javascript
[03:13] mjr_: pHcF: you can use the [] syntax to access a property of something.
[03:13] pHcF: Jezek: sorry
[03:13] mjr_: var propname = "height"; somevar[propname] = 12;
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[03:13] mjr_: It like somevar.propname = 12;
[03:14] mjr_: er, somevar.height = 12;
[03:14] pHcF: gotcha
[03:20] Jezek: how do i find out the client id of the currently connected user
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[03:47] xSmurf: hey'all, anyone ever seen OTR bidings for nodejs? would be awesome
[03:48] Sembiance: well... int he past 2 days my Node.js production server has handled 4,290,157 requests
[03:48] Sembiance: not a single exception, crash or problem :)
[03:48] Sembiance: woot :)
[03:49] Sembiance: In the same amount of time my redis database has handled 53,377,546 requests, all coming from node.js, all without any real problems
[03:49] Jezek: how do i get a list of all connected clients?
[03:50] Sembiance: Jezek: connected to what?
[03:52] xSmurf: wow there are python bindings for OTR...
[03:53] Jezek: the node server
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[03:54] Sembiance: Jezek: depends on what node server your running I guess :)
[03:54] Jezek: http
[03:54] Jezek: oh i'm using socket.io too
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[03:55] Sembiance: ahh.. socket.io :)
[03:55] TheEmpath: hail nodites
[03:55] Sembiance: TheEmpath: greetings TheEmpath
[04:00] Jezek: i want to try this out
[04:00] Jezek: http://cubiq.org/device-motion-websockets-node-js-tech-demo
[04:01] TheEmpath: 
ACTION is learning Mongoose.

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[04:10] Jezek: lol
[04:10] Jezek: been there
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[04:12] Jezek: i found this but i can't seem to find out how to access the "clients" object
[04:12] Jezek: https://github.com/LearnBoost/Socket.IO-node
[04:12] Aria: "clients" object?
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[04:13] Aria: The property of the listener?
[04:13] Jezek: yes
[04:14] Jezek: i have done var socket = io.listen(server);
[04:14] Thump: Jezek, there are plenty of examples of Node chat servers with multiple rooms
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[04:15] Thump: multi-room chat:  https://github.com/scottgonzalez/node-chat
[04:16] Thump: multi-room chat: https://github.com/isaacsu/twich
[04:16] Aria: server.clients then, Jezek ?
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[04:19] Jezek: http://pastebin.com/nt2ezaRE
[04:19] Jezek: but i get error TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of undefined
[04:20] Aria: Where?
[04:20] Aria: Line 13?
[04:20] Jezek: line 13
[04:20] Aria: Uh... that's not your listener.
[04:20] bingomanatee: I would do console.log on the function arguments
[04:20] Aria: That's your HTTP server.
[04:21] Aria: "socket" is your listener.
[04:21] Aria: "server" is your http server.
[04:21] Jezek: oh right
[04:21] Jezek: so socket.clients?
[04:21] Aria: Probably. Try it.
[04:22] Jezek: oh sweet console.log is awesome
[04:22] Aria: Yep.
[04:24] Jezek: just like firebug
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[04:26] Aria: Yep.
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[04:28] Jezek: oh crap i broke something
[04:28] Aria: Version control!
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[04:35] bingomanatee: one of the nice things about NetBeans is that it lets you "locally undo" every saved version of a given file regardless of the presence or absence of a VCS.
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[04:39] Jezek: any built in v8 function get the size of an object?
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[04:42] xSmurf: this is so weird O.o
[04:43] xSmurf: is console.log/sys.debug blocking ?
[04:44] xSmurf: when I start my app from upstart, from event looks like it's fired before some blocking things have finished processing
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[04:44] xSmurf: when I run it in foreground everything appears in the right order
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[04:51] xSmurf: very very odd
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[05:11] TheEmpath: howdy
[05:11] TheEmpath: the instructions on http://labs.learnboost.com/mongoose/ and http://blog.learnboost.com/blog/mongoose/ are varying examples on how to use models in mongoose.  halp!
[05:13] Jezek: i would help if i knew what mongoose even was
[05:14] TheEmpath: i'll use githubs info
[05:14] TheEmpath: mongoose is a great ORM wrapper for Mongo DB
[05:14] TheEmpath: its approach to models are brilliant
[05:14] TheEmpath: simple and easy
[05:15] Jezek: ah
[05:15] TheEmpath: mongo can be a mouthful at times
[05:15] TheEmpath: and asych calls to mongo can be even worse
[05:16] TheEmpath: mongoose centralizes the whole affair and makes it way easier to manage
[05:17] TheEmpath: one of the only important features its missing is DBRef support
[05:27] tmzt: can't even get it to compile, scons thinks libpcre is not installed
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[05:33] TheEmpath: anyone familiar with mongoose?
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[06:11] bingomanatee: I have been to a few mongoose sessions - are you using v. 1.0, or the .2x version
[06:12] bingomanatee: I have a simple Mongo ORM bridge that I use in anticipation of the 1.0 release. 
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[06:15] TheEmpath: ah
[06:15] TheEmpath: im experimenting with models
[06:15] TheEmpath: im uding embedded documents mostly
[06:15] TheEmpath: so that means things like model.parentProperty.childProperty
[06:16] TheEmpath: and im confused with how casting works with embedded documents
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[06:20] TheEmpath: i understand how they work for the getter/setter overloads, but the cast doesn't seem to fire
[06:20] TheEmpath: so stay i have document.profile.email = 7
[06:20] TheEmpath: say*
[06:20] TheEmpath: and my cast is { profile: {email: String} }
[06:20] TheEmpath: it should set the value to '7'
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[06:28] TheEmpath: nm figured it out
[06:29] TheEmpath: getter/setters and cast handling are inconsistant syntax for embedded docs :(
[06:35] tmzt: how would you recommend keeping a submodule I want to use in two different sites but also want to develop on?
[06:35] tmzt: just symlink it or check it out in both locations?
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[08:06] Jezek: has anyone used socket.io with sending messages to only some users?
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[08:11] Jezek: is there any alternatives to socket.io?
[08:17] T-Co: Jezek, Care to elaborate? Why wouldn't you be able to send messages only to some users?
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[08:23] Jezek: well im using the code: http://pastebin.com/RKciSQSg
[08:23] Jezek: like the person pasted here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4445883/node-websocket-server-possible-to-have-multiple-separate-broadcasts-for-a-sin
[08:23] Jezek: but it throws an error: "has no method send"
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[08:27] mape: Jezek: if you inspect the object what does it contain?
[08:27] Jezek: clients?
[08:28] mape: And those clients?
[08:28] Jezek: what
[08:28] Jezek: are you talking about the clients object
[08:28] mape: Yes
[08:28] mape: The one you say doesn't have a send method
[08:29] mape: Have you made sure it is in fact an client object?
[08:29] Jezek: hrm
[08:30] Jezek: clients is a super long object
[08:32] mape: console.log(Object.keys(clientsObject))
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[08:33] Jezek: [ 
[08:33] Jezek: [ '0' ]
[08:34] mape: then clientsObject[0].send(JSON.stringify({})) ?
[08:34] Jezek: oh it's an array
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[08:36] Jezek: = super long object
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[08:46] dspree: anyone know of hosted redis providers on ec2?
[08:47] opengeard: dspress: engineyard?
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[08:48] opengeard: dspree: rackspace claims to have an offering as well.
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[08:48] dspree: k thanks
[08:49] Jezek: o
[08:49] TheEmpath: how would one access a static function in a model definition from a method function in Mongoose?\
[08:50] Jezek: still working the mongoose eh
[08:50] TheEmpath: always learning!
[08:50] Jezek: heh
[08:54] TheEmpath: in fact, i see no examples of how to access static fucntiosn in mongoose models at all anywhere :X
[08:55] Jezek: :/
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[08:58] Jezek: sweet my code works
[08:58] Jezek: at last
[08:58] Jezek: now to cleanup this mess
[08:59] Jezek: tomorrow..
[08:59] Jezek: night guys
[08:59] TheEmpath: pz
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[09:13] TheEmpath: if mongoose returns results asychronously
[09:14] TheEmpath: and i want to build a login system using data in a collection
[09:14] TheEmpath: basically, how do i make a non-blocking authentication system?  i'd need to emit events, wouldn't i?
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[09:55] mpradeep: Hi I am trying to read a file that is in the previous directory by calling fs.readFileSync(filename, "binary");
[09:55] mpradeep: and the filename contains 
[09:55] mpradeep: "../../xyz.txt"
[09:55] mpradeep: but I am not able to read the xyz.txt
[09:55] mpradeep: can anyone help me in this
[09:55] pgte: prefix the file with __dirname
[09:56] pgte: __dirname + '/../../xyz.txt'
[09:56] mpradeep: oh ok .. I will try the same
[09:56] pgte: because like you have it's relative to the process current working dir
[09:56] pgte: not the file dir
[09:57] pgte: could be that
[09:57] mpradeep: hmm ok . Let me try with __dirname
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[09:59] mpradeep: pgte: thank you so much.
[10:00] mpradeep: it worked :)
[10:00] pgte: kewl
[10:02] tmzt: is npm failing? I just pulled from git and tried to reinstall and that didn't work either
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[10:03] iszak: tmzt, you can't expect the git copy to be entirely stable.
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[10:04] tmzt: right ok, but it just stopped working installed on my computer, I think it was installed with the curl script before
[10:04] tmzt: it seems the new metadata broke it
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[10:07] tmzt: iszak: is there a tag I can downgrade to or something else you recommend?
[10:08] iszak: i don't use npm, sorry.
[10:08] tmzt: oh ok
[10:09] tmzt: I'm moving most stuff to submodule now anyway
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[10:18] tmzt: iszak: my /tmp was full :) the error isn't very helpful
[10:18] tmzt: but trying to build somethign else from source told my it was full
[10:19] iszak: /tmp has a file size limit?
[10:19] tmzt: it's tmpfs
[10:19] iszak: oh right, gotcha
[10:20] tmzt: ah so node builds v8 from source
[10:20] tmzt: cool
[10:20] stride: morning guys
[10:20] iszak: thats' cool.
[10:20] iszak: tmzt, how big is your tmp btw?
[10:20] tmzt: 133M, but it had qemu image I was building in it
[10:20] tmzt: and this is a 256M vps instance
[10:21] iszak: oh right.
[10:21] tmzt: getting rather confused with haml and express so I was trying to try jade
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[10:21] iszak: link?
[10:22] tmzt: mostly I don't get why it wants layout.haml and how to tell it to use the contents of the view I actually want (since this is getting pulled into a div with ajax)
[10:22] tmzt: to?
[10:22] iszak: jade
[10:22] tmzt: https://github.com/visionmedia/jade
[10:23] iszak: thanks
[10:23] iszak: I'm hanging out for a monolithic framework
[10:23] tmzt: I'm just experiementing with this stuff right now, it could be really cool if there was something that supported # urls but could also rebuild the full page if needed
[10:25] tmzt: what are you looking for?
[10:26] iszak: something with everything I'll ever need.
[10:26] iszak: none of this pulling from npm crap
[10:26] tmzt: yeah
[10:26] tmzt: submodules with caching would be really nice
[10:27] iszak: caching..
[10:27] iszak: tmzt, what do you mean?
[10:28] tmzt: yeah, basically installing from a git tag
[10:28] tmzt: but doing it on demand and caching the results as a git submodule
[10:28] iszak: sounds.. nonstandard
[10:29] tmzt: how is that?
[10:29] iszak: maybe I don't understand what you're saying.
[10:29] tmzt: maybe i don't
[10:30] tmzt: essentially if every project has a github url you would just use that
[10:30] iszak: I would assume you would want stability.
[10:30] tmzt: then it would fetch the package.json from master (or whatever head you wanted)
[10:30] iszak: so you wouldn't pull from the repo all the time.
[10:30] tmzt: sure, you keep the commit sha1
[10:30] iszak: sure, but still then it's basically forcing everyone to use git.
[10:30] iszak: git or GTFO
[10:31] tmzt: I've got my sites under git so it's not a problem for me
[10:31] tmzt: I'm learning a new way of working
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[10:35] guybrush: http://wmv.27c3.fem-net.de/saal1 27c3 intro started right now
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[10:38] iszak: guybrush, what is this?
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[10:38] guybrush: the 27th chaos computer congress in berlin
[10:39] guybrush: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/Fahrplan/day_2010-12-27.en.html
[10:39] iszak: never heard of it
[10:39] guybrush: there is even a nodejs talk tomorrow (by felixge) http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/Fahrplan/events/4142.en.html
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[10:44] iszak: guybrush, ohhh okay, buffered video is buffery
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[10:51] iszak: anyone remember that YUI video about "spaghetti code" and node.js?
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[10:51] Sbioko: Hi
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[10:52] iszak: Hey Sbioko.
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[10:52] Sbioko: how to make socket.io work in localhost in Opera 10?
[10:52] Sbioko: it says that it does not have access on file:///...
[10:52] Sbioko: Security violation
[10:52] Sbioko: how to allow it
[10:52] iszak: i don't think you can get it to allow it.
[10:52] Sbioko: in Chrome & Firefox all is ok
[10:52] Sbioko: damn
[10:53] iszak: can't you use it relative to your localhost path?
[10:53] webr3: have you tried about@cpmfog pr gppg;e
[10:53] webr3: wow :|
[10:53] iszak: nice.
[10:53] webr3: about:config or google
[10:53] Sbioko: yeah)
[10:53] iszak: webr3++
[10:53] v8bot:  iszak has given a beer to webr3. webr3 now has 1 beers.
[10:53] Sbioko: will try now
[10:53] webr3: 
ACTION thinks his fingers are still on vacation

[10:55] Sbioko: webr3: its all good, but what do I need to change
[10:55] Sbioko: thousand of options
[10:55] Sbioko: in Security sections nothing seems like will help me
[10:55] Sbioko: wait
[10:55] Sbioko: I think I found it
[10:56] Sbioko: ok
[10:56] Sbioko: I fixed it
[10:56] guybrush: iszak: http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/theater/video.php?v=dahl-node i think this is the spaghetti-code-yui-video
[10:56] Sbioko: thanks a lot!!!
[10:56] Sbioko: bye
[10:56] pgte: http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2010/12/06/video-yuiconf2010-croucher/
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[10:57] iszak: guybrush, hmm don't think so
[10:57] iszak: will check it out
[10:57] iszak: Yeah, I think the guy had more of a beard.
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[11:23] augustl: how good is node at talking to mysql, postgres, etc?
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[11:23] iszak: augustl, as good as any other languages I'd say.
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[11:24] augustl: looking to use node for the server part of iOS push notification
[11:25] iszak: i'm sure it's more than capable.
[11:25] augustl: hmm, https://github.com/commandprompt/postgres-js doesn't even have unit tests
[11:26] augustl: https://github.com/brianc/node-postgres looks more sane
[11:27] iszak: yeah, well you've got to keep in mind node is still maturing.
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[11:29] felixge_: augustl: http://github.com/felixge/node-mysql
[11:29] augustl: felixge_: thanks :)
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[11:30] iszak: haha when making npm "npm ERR! This will get better in the future, I promise."
[11:31] augustl: as long as I don't need to write C and implement against libsomethings, and unit tests are present, I'm fine :)
[11:32] felixge_: augustl: this driver has lots of tests and there is no C involved ;)
[11:32] felixge_: augustl: in fact, it pretty much has 100% coverage :)
[11:33] augustl: felixge_: woot, you communicate with mysql through a socket or something then?
[11:33] augustl: I should write a db adapter once, to understand better how you talk to databases under the hood ;)
[11:33] felixge_: augustl: yeah, I implemented a protocol parser
[11:33] felixge_: augustl: https://github.com/felixge/node-mysql/blob/master/lib/mysql/parser.js
[11:33] felixge_: augustl: It's not very difficult. At least the parts where there is documentation for the protocol that is not misleading : )
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[11:38] iszak: Sigh, why is time always limited.
[11:39] felixge_: iszak: physics would disagree, there will be plenty of time for a while :)
[11:39] iszak: time doesn't really exist.
[11:40] iszak: but w/e.
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[11:48] augustl: note to self: set up irssi + screen
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[12:07] ido_: any idea why I'd get the following error when using fs.readFile: 
[12:07] ido_: Error: ENOENT, No such file or directory 'node'
[12:07] ido_:     at node.js:773:9
[12:08] ido_: i get when trying to use coffeekup (http://pastebin.com/dLvhmdth)
[12:08] ido_: *get it
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[12:14] felixge_: ido_: looks like the package is bad?
[12:15] ido_: i downloaded 0.2.5 directly from nodejs.org
[12:15] ido_: it's not a pre-compiled package
[12:18] coffeecup: hi.. uhm how can i escape a backslash within a string? a="\" gives nothing, a="\\" gives 1 backslash, and a="\\test" gives \\test..   
[12:20] coffeecup: shouldn't "\\test" result in \test only instead of \\test ?
[12:22] coffeecup: nevermind.. got it.. 
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[12:35] Sembiance: happy snowy monday morning :)
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[13:17] jetienne: ido: install node as executable
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[14:33] pyrotechnick: hi lads
[14:33] pyrotechnick: has anyone written any bindings in here?
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[14:33] pyrotechnick: i'm writing bindings for Bullet Physics
[14:33] pyrotechnick: and i just need a few pointers (no pun intended)
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[14:43] krikulis: hello 
[14:44] krikulis: how do one uses 'once' event binding ?
[14:45] RichardJ: krikulis: 'once' as in execute only once?
[14:46] krikulis: RichardJ: yes
[14:46] krikulis: I want to execute callback for event only once
[14:46] krikulis: :)
[14:46] RichardJ: just unbind the event handler as soon as it's called :)
[14:46] RichardJ: that's the more straightforward solution
[14:47] hunterloftis: pyrotechnick: Awesome (bindings for bullet physics), wish I could help, but I'm interested in the answer as well
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[14:48] pyrotechnick: hunterloftis: yeah we're using it in an MMO
[14:48] pyrotechnick: i'm kind of halfway there but i have a feeling i've done it the wrong way
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[14:50] hunterloftis: pyrotechnick: I'd love to see what you guys are doing & how you're doing it. What's the best way for me to keep in the loop?
[14:50] pyrotechnick: github.com/feisty
[14:51] pyrotechnick: if u wanna help dev atm it probably requires 5 or 10 minutes on skype but we're trying to make that process easier
[14:51] broofa: 
ACTION returns from git branch/rebase/merge/reflog/cherry-pick hell  :P

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[15:08] pyrotechnick: are there any plans to support libffi?
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[15:42] monokrome: Any decent ORM for Node yet?
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[15:43] booths: Anyone have any good recommendations for some reading on multiple instances of node? I'm trying to break apart a larger program into many smaller parts, but they all depend on each other so I'd need to be able to communicate between them.
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[15:43] monokrome: booths: Look at ZeroMQ
[15:44] booths: Alright, thanks
[15:44] pgte: @booths or a webworker API https://github.com/cramforce/node-worker
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[15:45] monokrome: for communicating between multiple processes?
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[15:45] pgte: for spawning multiple processes and pass messages between them
[15:45] monokrome: Aren't web workers threads?
[15:46] pgte: I use it sometimes to divide work
[15:46] monokrome: or are they separate processes?
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[15:46] pgte: separate processes
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[15:46] monokrome: Interesting
[15:47] pgte: just a way to spawn another node.js process and pass messages to and from
[15:47] krikulis: what to specify in mode to fs.mkdir ?
[15:48] pgte: monokrome: ORM for any specific databasE?
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[15:52] monokrome: pgte: Preferably a generic driver-based one
[15:52] monokrome: but if not, PostgreSQL
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[15:55] monokrome: zeromq bindings don't seem to work too well, however :/
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[16:02] DrLou: Can anyone help with a build on OpenIndiana (OpenSolaris?)
[16:04] wink_: monokrome: whats wrong with the 0mq bindings?
[16:04] monokrome: wink_: Even small examples don't work
[16:05] DrLou: Can anyone help with this?  Build failed:  -> task failed (err #2): 
[16:05] DrLou:         {task: libv8.a SConstruct -> libv8.a}
[16:06] DrLou: and this, from configure?:
[16:06] DrLou: Checking for header sys/inotify.h        : not found 
[16:06] DrLou: Checking for header sys/epoll.h          : not found
[16:07] hunterloftis: hey guys anybody using a really nice console.log replacement? Like something where you can tag a log as in: logme("message", "tag") so I can add logs without adding a bunch of shit to the other guys on my team's console?
[16:07] wink_: monokrome: do they just silently fail or is there some diagnostics?
[16:07] monokrome: wink_: No errors. Just no messages being sent.
[16:08] tjholowaychuk: hunterloftis: there is this v
[16:08] tjholowaychuk: https://github.com/visionmedia/log.js
[16:08] tjholowaychuk: you can log to arbitrary streams
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[16:08] tjholowaychuk: streaming reader as well
[16:08] hunterloftis: tj, thanks, that looks good
[16:09] monokrome: wink_: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/310386/
[16:09] tjholowaychuk: hunterloftis: once I get around to 3.x stuff I will make pretty colors for err/warn etc when isatty
[16:09] monokrome: Tried this with a sub/pub also
[16:09] monokrome: I think that I might just be missing a call somewhere.
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[16:11] monokrome: wink_: Also, an error handler on requester never gets called - either.
[16:11] wink_: weird
[16:11] wink_: i've been hoping to play with that binding, haven't had a chance yet...
[16:11] monokrome: I've probably tried a dozen different examples now
[16:11] monokrome: I've yet to make one work
[16:14] monokrome: Yet the same code rewritten in C works.
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[16:35] softdrink: *daily java rant*
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[16:35] monokrome: ?
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[16:46] bingomanatee__: good morning node
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[16:46] softdrink: it is indeed morning
[16:47] chapel: normally this would be my evening
[16:47] chapel: but it is my morning as well for a change
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[16:59] bingomanatee__: even chapel gets a merry christmas!
[17:00] bingomanatee__: careful - you start sleeping at night it can get pretty addictive. 
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[17:17] DrLou: HAs anyone build node on OpenSolaris?
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[17:18] mscdex: i gave up trying to use it, but i think ryah does some testing on it
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[17:23] papandreou: Does anyone know a module for extracting the image dimensions from the first chunk of an image?
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[17:36] tjholowaychuk: inspect() has such a terrible interface lol sys.inspect(tree, false, 10, true)
[17:36] tjholowaychuk: awesome
[17:37] bingomanatee__: thats what happens when you break Bingomanatee's "Golden Rules of Programming". :D
[17:37] tjholowaychuk: global settings would be nice, even if its just util.inspectDepth = 10; or something
[17:38] bingomanatee__: (any function with more than 3  arguments should be a parameterized hash :D
[17:38] bingomanatee__: )
[17:38] tjholowaychuk: the signature reminds me a lot of drupal/php stuff lol
[17:39] tjholowaychuk: false false false true 10 false
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[17:39] SubStack: hashes can be just as bad sometimes
[17:39] bingomanatee__: Seems like it would be simpler to preencode the arguments in binary
[17:39] bingomanatee__: At least a hash is self-documenting. 
[17:40] SubStack: usually at that point the problem should be spread out among several functions
[17:40] bingomanatee__: Yes... 
[17:41] SubStack: something like inspect(tree).depth(10)() might be groovy
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[17:42] SubStack: perhaps .toString() at the end instead of ()
[17:42] SubStack: I don't like how those parens stack up so much
[17:45] bingomanatee__: Well you can always publish a set of coding standards and have everyone call you a Java-headed fascist :D
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[17:47] SubStack: oh there is eyes checking that out
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[17:51] pyrotechnick: has anyone used FFI in node.js?
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[17:55] tjholowaychuk: pyrotechnick: pretty sure there is module
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[18:01] pyrotechnick: tjholowaychuk: hi. yeah i found it. going to take a stab at it now. i was making bindings to c++ bullet physics but i think there's a c API i can use with node-ffi
[18:01] bingomanatee__: BTW: http://www.favicon.cc/ nice favicon generator -- 
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[18:04] rauchg_: woot
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[18:12] drudge: tj
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[18:13] tjholowaychuk: drudge: yo
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[18:13] drudge: tell rauch im around now :)
[18:14] tjholowaychuk: rauchg_: ping ping ping
[18:14] tjholowaychuk: haha :)
[18:14] drudge: i dont see him here
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[18:26] flowlo: hello, i'm new to node.js and have a simple question, explained here: http://pastebin.com/c3bFbzDN
[18:27] flowlo: basically, i want to access this, from within a callback ... is there any trick to do that?
[18:27] pietern_: flowlo: var self = this; outside your callback ;)
[18:27] Thump: anyone know of a good way to get access to php session vars from node.js ?
[18:28] flowlo: pietern_: haha, thank you :)
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[19:18] booths: So, is there a way to load a .json file as a JSON object rather than calling JSON.parse on the fs.readFile? Just want to make sure I'm not doing something wrong.
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[19:19] Aria: Nope, that's it.
[19:19] mikeal: JSON.parse only understands strings
[19:19] mikeal: so you've gotta get it off the filesystem and in to a string
[19:19] booths: yeah, I was just wondering if there was a way to have it return the JSON already parsed, like when I AJAX pull a .json file in a browser
[19:20] booths: to where I can just result.whatever
[19:20] SubStack: JSON.parse(fs.readFileSync(file).toString())
[19:20] booths: Is that better than readFile and parsing the callback?
[19:20] SubStack: it's more convenient for setup and tear-down code
[19:21] bingomanatee__: booths: sounds like you are trying to find a serialization system in node/javascript
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[19:21] bingomanatee__: to my limited knowledge there is none. 
[19:21] halfhalo: 
ACTION wrote something similar to what he needs

[19:21] booths: not a huge deal, just wanted to make sure I wasn't doing something wrong
[19:22] SubStack: eh? JSON is pretty much good enough
[19:22] SubStack: unless you want to serialize functions or context states
[19:22] halfhalo: except mine is psuedo json with functions
[19:22] bingomanatee__: yep... thats kind of the point; JSON doesn't serialize much better. 
[19:22] bingomanatee__: Mongo is in a sense what he is asking about - a binary storage system for JSON. 
[19:23] Sembiance: hehe
[19:23] bingomanatee__: I really like Mongo - check out mongoose for an Mongo ORM for node. 
[19:23] Sembiance: CouchDB also uses JSON, it's very similar to MongoDB
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[19:23] Sembiance: although I recently converted my production server to use node.js + redis
[19:23] bingomanatee__: Yep, Couch is nice too. And it has transactions. 
[19:24] mikeal: that's not entirely accurate
[19:25] bingomanatee__: I'm not trying to knock redis, but to my mind a purely memory resident repos is not a complete system. I mean unless you have more RAM than storage space, you are better off persisting redis/memcache somewhere else. 
[19:25] mikeal: so, every individual operation can be transactional, as it it's durable
[19:25] mikeal: but you can't open a transaction and hold the state of the database for some indefinite amount of time
[19:25] faust45: guy's need help! i got JSON(with utf-8 strings) from node server and when start compare string fields on client side it's not working, may be some problem with encoding, but when i output to Firbug console it's ok 
[19:25] mikeal: Redis is great at being Redis
[19:25] mikeal: if you need that, you'll know
[19:25] mikeal: you can't make Redis be more like some other thing that you might want
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[19:26] bingomanatee__: 3crowd swears by it. Its a great system. I am just not comfortable when people talk about a memory resident cache as if they have a repository when they have a repository enhancer. 
[19:27] mikeal: ok, i'm really confused
[19:27] mikeal: we've moved the damn stdio bindings all over the damn place
[19:27] mikeal: how do I listen for stdout message
[19:27] mikeal: process.stdout is only writable
[19:27] mikeal: it doesn't emit data events from what i can tell
[19:27] bingomanatee__: you are listening for input on an outpur port?
[19:27] bingomanatee__: ^^ output
[19:28] mikeal: i don't want to listen to stdin
[19:28] mikeal: i want to listen to data my process writes to stdout
[19:28] mikeal: basically, console.log() message
[19:28] mikeal: messages
[19:28] bingomanatee__: sounds like you want a buffer of some sort hooked up to stdout. 
[19:28] mikeal: it used to be an open call to stdio binding 
[19:28] mikeal: but now it's gone
[19:28] bingomanatee__: Does that make sense?
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[19:29] mikeal: no, i need a readable stream for stdout
[19:29] mikeal: it'll emit buffers as the subject of data events
[19:29] mikeal: it exists somewhere
[19:29] mikeal: i'm sure of it
[19:29] bingomanatee__: what version of node are you using?
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[19:30] mikeal: master
[19:30] mikeal: ok, this is crazy
[19:30] bingomanatee__: 0.2.5
[19:30] mikeal: for child processses
[19:30] mikeal: you just create the child and add a listener to stdout
[19:31] Thump: anyone know of a good way to get access to php session vars from node.js ?
[19:31] SubStack: Thump: you could have php send them with a socket or some such
[19:31] SubStack: or perhaps a web request witha json string
[19:32] softdrink: does anyone have a good prng in js?  stupid Math.random() can't be seeded.
[19:32] Thump: substack, yeah, was just hoping someone wrote something already
[19:32] SubStack: lots of ways
[19:32] bingomanatee__: mikeal: process itself is an events emitter - did you try to hook someothing to process.on('data')?
[19:32] Thump: well, im looking to verify a phpsessionid cookie then lookup up the phpsession vars
[19:32] SubStack: process emits 'data'?
[19:32] mikeal: yeah, nothing is coming out
[19:33] mikeal: oh no wait
[19:33] mikeal: process.on('data' ??????
[19:33] mikeal: that is retarded
[19:33] SubStack: i know right?
[19:33] mikeal: angry email to nodejs-dev@ coming in a few
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[19:34] bingomanatee__: oh wait a bit. process.stdout is a stream in the 0.2.5 docs - you have I take it tried to attach watchers to that?
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[19:35] mikeal: that doesn't work either
[19:35] mikeal: yes
[19:35] mikeal: process.stdout and process both aren't emitting data events for writes
[19:36] mikeal: process.stdout.readable is false
[19:36] mikeal: process.readable is undefined
[19:36] mikeal: which in master means it's probably not a stream
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[19:44] bingomanatee__: Mikeal: I think you might have something - I created a simple test at https://gist.github.com/756462 and the 'data' event might not be firing from the outward stream. 
[19:44] mikeal: it's so much worse than i thought
[19:44] mikeal: stderr is gone entirely
[19:45] mikeal: all the stdio streams on child processes are marked as readable === false
[19:45] mikeal: even tho they emit data events
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[19:57] tanepiper: 
ACTION is going stir crazy

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[19:57] SubStack: 
ACTION stir-fries tanepiper 

[19:58] tanepiper: i've updated cradle to support couchdb _list i've got the list output and i can see it in the console
[19:58] tanepiper: but when i send it to the express response, it doesn't output the array - BUT it does output the length of the array
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[19:59] hunterloftis: Is there a standard way to make a random long ID in node or JS? Or should I just pick a random number between 1 and a billion?
[20:00] tanepiper: personally i use this: https://gist.github.com/51fbd9451a7b1e03f21e
[20:00] SubStack: I like to do Math.floor(Math.random() * Math.pow(2,32)).toString(16)
[20:01] tanepiper: so i can do require('uuid') then uuid.uuid(<length>)
[20:01] SubStack: there are some uuid modules on npm too
[20:01] tanepiper: yea, but they are a pain, you need libbsd i think to install it
[20:01] SubStack: there's a pure one too
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[20:02] tanepiper: probably the one i'm using but packaged for npm
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[20:03] SubStack: uuid-pure
[20:03] SubStack: looks like it
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[20:06] hunterloftis: thanks guys
[20:06] hunterloftis: uuid seems like the way to go
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[20:11] technoweenie: there seems to be a bug with Util.pump or fs.ReadStream if you pass start/end options to fs.createReadStream
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[20:12] mikeal: what kind of problems?
[20:12] technoweenie: its not closing the writer stream
[20:12] technoweenie: well its not finishing up the web response
[20:12] mikeal: hrm...
[20:12] mikeal: are you on 0.3.x?
[20:12] technoweenie: 0.3.2 yea
[20:12] technoweenie: well let me try a real simple example, hold on
[20:13] mikeal: try using readStream.pipe(response)
[20:13] mikeal: instead of util.pump
[20:13] technoweenie: oh hm
[20:13] mikeal: util.pump is legacy
[20:13] mikeal: if that doesn't work
[20:13] mikeal: listen for an "end" event on the reader and see if it's not firing
[20:13] tanepiper: at line 95: https://gist.github.com/9dec46e23352cc9c0b00 
[20:14] technoweenie: yea end and close are firing, it looks like its definitely calling writer.end()
[20:14] tanepiper: i have no idea what is going on here - in my res.send, the total_rows value is 2 (which is correct)
[20:14] tanepiper: but when i try to rows: list, list is null
[20:14] tanepiper: i've put it inside an array to check, and i get rows:[null]
[20:14] technoweenie: read streams seem to be a better place for the Util.pump logic, i like it
[20:14] mikeal: so it's calling writer.end() but the http response isn't finishing?
[20:15] mikeal: do me a favor, check the http capture and see if it's setting content-length or if it's chunk encoded
[20:16] mikeal: i don't know what code you're using, but someone might have gotten cute and assumed that file reads should content-length the size of the file, and now you're doing some kind of range request and ending before the content-length is fullfilled
[20:16] technoweenie: oh i bet thats it
[20:17] mikeal: are you supporing the range header or something?
[20:17] technoweenie: i wasnt sure if content-length should match the full content or the content i'm sending back.  probably the content i'm sending back...
[20:17] mikeal: has to match the bits you send in the response
[20:17] mikeal: unless it's a HEAD reuest
[20:17] mikeal: er request
[20:18] technoweenie: thanks dude
[20:18] mikeal: then content-length should be the size the body WOULD have been
[20:18] mikeal: if it was a GET
[20:18] technoweenie: right, thats where i got confused, i assumed you'd want the original content-length on a range request too
[20:18] mikeal: and HEAD requests can't have their own entity-body
[20:18] mikeal: nope
[20:19] mikeal: this is where HTTP features get confusing
[20:19] mikeal: headers relate mostly to parsing HTTP itself, except when they don't :)
[20:19] technoweenie: im adding range parsing to this static file middleware for creationix's stack thing
[20:20] technoweenie: range requests, rather
[20:20] mikeal: yeah
[20:21] mikeal: i'm releasing something pretty big next week
[20:21] mikeal: and i'm about to do the work to support range headers
[20:21] tjholowaychuk: technoweenie: the thing that does nothing?
[20:22] technoweenie: cool
[20:22] devinus: i'm consistently surprised that so many developers choose windows to develop non-.net software on
[20:22] mikeal: it would be cool if the static file range support also worked with the cache
[20:22] mikeal: so it could pull the offsets out of the buffer if it needed to
[20:22] mikeal: also, if the cache is based only on the URL, this range support is gonna break it
[20:22] technoweenie: devinus: eston at github uses windows 
[20:23] technoweenie: but a) he designs and 2) he runs dev shit through a linux vm
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[20:23] bingomanatee__: okay, mikeal, I documented the output of https://gist.github.com/756462 
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[20:24] bingomanatee__: I do agree it does seem like the stdout is not being predictable
[20:24] devinus: technoweenie: vm's are a-ok
[20:24] devinus: i'm talking about the dudes who you always see on mailing lists
[20:24] mfernest: DrLou: I built node on OpenSolaris. Ugly workaround, though.
[20:24] mikeal: so wait, you're getting data events on stdout?
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[20:24] mikeal: i'm not in master
[20:24] emilepetrone: This won't render in Express/Jade… thoughts? Trying to pull location from browser..https://gist.github.com/756484
[20:24] bingomanatee__: No I am not. .... 
[20:25] mikeal: oh ok, just makign sure
[20:25] mikeal: trying to figure out which file was which
[20:25] bingomanatee__: I do think you have a legitimate issue. 
[20:25] mikeal: you wanna reply to the thread on nodejs-dev with this
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[20:25] tanepiper: ok, seriously - anyone seen something like this: https://gist.github.com/ebd80e4b9c60cdc49ecc
[20:26] bingomanatee__: I would expect to see in outlog.txt "new call / this is going out/new call / this is going out"...
[20:26] tanepiper: why would if i console.log(list) or arguments do I see the array but when i do anything with it, it's null?
[20:26] mfernest: devinus: to paraphrase Dennis Ritchie from a long time ago, developing net software on Windows is fun for the same reason three-legged races are fun
[20:26] technoweenie: tanepiper: try arguments['0']
[20:26] bingomanatee__: nodejs-dev - what is that, a mailing list?
[20:26] mikeal: no
[20:26] mikeal: don't try argument.anything
[20:27] mikeal: slice arguments in to a real array
[20:27] mikeal: or else it's never gonna be predictable 
[20:27] bingomanatee__: so argument is "magic"?
[20:27] bingomanatee__: arguments?
[20:27] mikeal: var args = Array.prototype.slice.call(arguments); 
[20:27] DrLou: mfernest: Tks for reply. I'd be interested to hear the magic!
[20:27] mikeal: arguments is "magic" is "magic" == "retarded"
[20:27] mikeal: s/is/if
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[20:28] bingomanatee__: be nice!
[20:28] mikeal: if you wanna do anything with it other than pass it to another function apply you have to slice it in to a real array
[20:28] mikeal: it does stuff like change your local named variables if you alter it
[20:29] SubStack: I like [].slice.call(arguments)
[20:29] SubStack: less typing
[20:29] technoweenie: its so shitty,  i stay away from it
[20:29] tanepiper: yea, it's just for testing - this is the actual code: https://gist.github.com/ebd80e4b9c60cdc49ecc
[20:29] tanepiper: as you can see, the parameter list is an array, but except for console.log, which outputs it, it's null
[20:29] mikeal: [] creates a new array that you throw out, Array is a pointer to a constant
[20:29] emilepetrone: Any Jade experts out there?
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[20:29] SubStack: mikeal: but it's shorter
[20:30] mikeal: shorter and slower :)
[20:30] tjholowaychuk:    emilepetrone: do you get errors?
[20:30] bingomanatee__: <-- finds that one letter fields make his SQL tables more performant
[20:30] tjholowaychuk: emilepetrone: try taking some things out, see if that renders, etc, problem solving :p
[20:30] SubStack: 
ACTION values terseness above performance

[20:30] emilepetrone: tjholowaychuk: nope just doesn't render
[20:30] bingomanatee__: y
[20:30] SubStack: and actually
[20:30] SubStack: this calls for an experiment
[20:31] bingomanatee__: SubStack: Who do you think you are, GOD?
[20:31] emilepetrone: tjholowaychuk: scratch that..
[20:31] SubStack: MAYBE
[20:31] mikeal: SubStack: you should test it, it's possible that v8 has some crazy thing that optimizes that away
[20:31] hunterloftis: tjholowaychuk: Is there a way to have jade prettyprint output for dev?
[20:31] halfhalo: 
ACTION thinks he is

[20:31] bingomanatee__: there are some things that the development community JUST AREN"T SUPPOSED TO KNOW. 
[20:31] SubStack: yeah I don't trust myself to know what will be faster ahead of time
[20:31] SubStack: v8 is some kooky magic voodoo
[20:32] tjholowaychuk: hunterloftis: not right now nope
[20:32] hunterloftis: tjholowaychuk: ok thanks
[20:32] mikeal: i love how v8 optmizes big string concats
[20:32] mikeal: i depend on that
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[20:32] mikeal: i write all kinds of long multi-line strings with + all over the place because i know v8 is gonna optimize it away :)
[20:33] SubStack: v8: var t = Date.now(); for (var i = 0; i < 1000000; i++) { (function () { [].slice.call(arguments)})(1,2,3,4,5) }; Date.now() - t
[20:33] v8bot: SubStack: 2343
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[20:33] SubStack: v8: var t = Date.now(); for (var i = 0; i < 1000000; i++) { (function () { Array.prototype.slice.call(arguments)})(1,2,3,4,5) }; Date.now() - t
[20:33] v8bot: SubStack: 2001
[20:33] hunterloftis: rbytes gives me build errors on OSX; any previous known issues?
[20:33] tjholowaychuk: emilepetrone: got it?
[20:33] tanepiper: officially going crazy now :(
[20:34] mikeal: that difference is small enough that it basically doesn't matter :)
[20:34] SubStack: 
ACTION <3 experiments

[20:34] halfhalo: thats what she said
[20:34] SubStack: yeah so terseness prevails!
[20:34] SubStack: :p
[20:34] chrisdickinson: v8: var s = [].prototype.slice, t = Date.now(); for (var i = 0; i < 1000000; i++) { (function () { s.call(arguments)})(1,2,3,4,5) }; Date.now() - t
[20:34] v8bot: chrisdickinson: TypeError: Cannot read property 'slice' of undefined
[20:34] emilepetrone: tjholowaychuk: $ is not defined ..hmm ..trying to work through it now
[20:34] SubStack: this time.... this time....
[20:35] chrisdickinson: cripes.
[20:35] tjholowaychuk: emilepetrone: whats the gist again?
[20:35] chrisdickinson: v8: var s = [].slice, t = Date.now(); for (var i = 0; i < 1000000; i++) { (function () { s.call(arguments)})(1,2,3,4,5) }; Date.now() - t
[20:35] v8bot: chrisdickinson: 1988
[20:35] tanepiper: https://gist.github.com/ebd80e4b9c60cdc49ecc - 'list' is DEFINETLY an array, but won't convert to a JSON string, nor will it output to express response
[20:35] emilepetrone: tjholowaychuk: https://gist.github.com/756484
[20:35] chrisdickinson: woo cached lookup
[20:35] mikeal: tanepiper: is there an error?
[20:35] chrisdickinson: v8: var s = Array.prototype.slice, t = Date.now(); for (var i = 0; i < 1000000; i++) { (function () { s.call(arguments)})(1,2,3,4,5) }; Date.now() - t
[20:35] v8bot: chrisdickinson: 1803
[20:35] tanepiper: no, as you can see at the last item there, i get the success and length of the array, but no error at all
[20:35] chrisdickinson: weird that that would be different.
[20:36] tanepiper: and JSON.stringify just produces undefined
[20:36] tjholowaychuk: tanepiper: weird, Express just does a regular JSON.stringify
[20:36] SubStack: chrisdickinson: probably the time it takes to do the record lookups matters at that number of iterations
[20:36] mikeal: what is res.send?
[20:36] tanepiper: if I put rows: [list] I get 
[20:36] tanepiper: rows: [null]
[20:36] tanepiper: but it's not null, because it has a length
[20:37] tjholowaychuk: emilepetrone: looks fine, but if all else fails you could just use a script(src: '')
[20:37] tjholowaychuk: that is to much code IMO to inline anyway
[20:37] chrisdickinson: SubStack: makes sense.
[20:37] tjholowaychuk: mikeal: its a little helper
[20:37] mikeal: it takes literals and turns them in to JSON?
[20:37] emilepetrone: tjholowaychuk: yeah its a bit thick.. i'll keep at it…thanks for checking
[20:38] tjholowaychuk: res.send(html), res.send(obj), res.send(404), res.send(str, { 'Content-Type: 'text/plain' }) etc
[20:38] mikeal: also, shouldn't you serve JSON as application/json?
[20:38] tanepiper: mikeal: yes, but firefox makes me download it :)
[20:38] mikeal: get the JSON viewer plugin
[20:38] tanepiper: the output from couchdb is JSON
[20:38] mikeal: also, text/plain
[20:38] tanepiper: http://tanepiper.couchone.com/client-4castrisk/_design/Asset/_list/grid-list/grid-list?include_docs=true
[20:38] mikeal: don't serve non-html as text/html
[20:38] tjholowaychuk: what are you talking about
[20:39] tjholowaychuk: im lost
[20:39] tjholowaychuk: haha
[20:39] tjholowaychuk: not sure who is talking to who
[20:39] tanepiper: mikeal: in this case, doesn't matter because i have a view that i debug that way that works fine
[20:39] halfhalo: REAL meln serve it as binary
[20:39] tanepiper: the main issue is when i try output the array I get null, but when i output the array length I get 2
[20:39] mikeal: tanepiper: did you try res.send(JSON.stringify(literal))
[20:39] tanepiper: yes
[20:40] tanepiper: JSON.stringify gives undefined
[20:40] mikeal: weird.....
[20:40] tjholowaychuk: tanepiper: start stripping stuff out
[20:40] mikeal: why are id and rev not _id and _rev?
[20:41] mikeal: also, you're recreating a response from couchdb, why don't you just write the string that came back from couchdb?
[20:41] tanepiper: mikeal: internal for the app using it
[20:41] chrisdickinson: tanepiper: does list have overridden `valueOf`, `toString`, or `toJSON` properties?
[20:41] tanepiper: chrisdickinson: toJSON
[20:42] tjholowaychuk: that would do it
[20:42] tanepiper: https://gist.github.com/fcba3b32016faa8d1241
[20:42] mikeal: Array.prototype.slice.call(list)
[20:42] mikeal: what does that return?
[20:42] tanepiper: that's my cradle views + list setup
[20:43] mikeal: awesome, you're using that crazy emit(key, {_id:asdf}) include_docs hack
[20:44] mikeal: tanepiper: replace that sum reduce function with just "_sum"
[20:44] mikeal: builting erlang reduce
[20:44] mikeal: it's like 100x 
[20:44] chrisdickinson: v8: JSON.stringify({toJSON:(function(){})}) === undefined
[20:44] v8bot: chrisdickinson: true
[20:44] tanepiper: mikeal: https://gist.github.com/6e0dd9b9b77bf91ea46b
[20:45] tanepiper: bottom is the console output
[20:45] mikeal: JSON.stringify(Array.prototype.slice.call(list))
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[20:46] mikeal: that should strip any crazy .toJSON function
[20:46] mikeal: that might be messing it up
[20:46] tanepiper: https://gist.github.com/6e0dd9b9b77bf91ea46b
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[20:47] mikeal: w00t!
[20:47] mikeal: somebody, maybe cradle, is adding  a broken toJSON function
[20:48] mikeal: so just run that through the Array slice to strip it out and you're good
[20:48] mikeal: this is why I don't put a lot of code between me and CouchDB, people try to be too clever :)
[20:48] emilepetrone: tjholowaychuk: jquery wasn't loaded at the point it was being called..doh
[20:48] tanepiper: mikeal: yea, basically it's to make up for using ExtJS :)
[20:48] mikeal: hahaha
[20:49] devinus: is it just me, or does anybody find jquery plugins horrendous spaghetti code
[20:49] tanepiper: nodejs is really just sitting in the middle, taking a few application parameters + couchdb parameters to return stuff
[20:49] tjholowaychuk: emilepetrone: hm :p
[20:49] emilepetrone: tjholowaychuk: they don't call me a n00b for nothin!
[20:49] mikeal: devinus: soley extending using the event model and object additions has it's limits
[20:49] tjholowaychuk: devinus: jQuery is horrendous spaghetti code
[20:49] devinus: every jquery plugin ive ever worked with has been fucking spaghetti
[20:50] mikeal: jQuery core is fine
[20:50] tanepiper: never use my jMaps plugin, it's horrible :p
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[20:50] devinus: yeah jq core is ok
[20:50] devinus: jquery ui and jquery mobile....
[20:50] devinus: my skin crawls
[20:50] mikeal: jquery ui is insane
[20:50] mikeal: they add thousands of new events
[20:50] mikeal: it's crazy
[20:50] tanepiper: also mikeal not sure what you mean replace with _sum?
[20:51] mikeal: tanepiper: so, that function is a javascript function that sums the results
[20:51] mikeal: couchdb has a builtin for that
[20:51] mikeal: you don't need a js function, you can just use "_sum" 
[20:51] mikeal: this cradle object *should* map directly to a design document
[20:51] mikeal: which means it just calls .toString() on these functions 
[20:52] tanepiper: oh, reduce: '_sum'
[20:52] mikeal: just add a string of "_sum"
[20:52] tanepiper: instead of just _sum
[20:52] mikeal: yup
[20:52] mikeal: hopefully cradle doesn't break on assuming it's a function in this object def
[20:52] mikeal: but yeah, it's like 100 times faster
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[20:53] mikeal: doesn't have to hit JSON serialization, doesn't have to send anything to the view server on rereduce
[20:53] mikeal: it's quite nice
[20:54] tanepiper: yea, works fine
[20:54] tanepiper: so I need to work out why this toJSON stuff is getting broken :(
[20:55] mikeal: probably something in cradle
[20:55] tanepiper: as passing res.send a string double stringifys it, so i have to JSON.parse(JSON.stringify the array stuff
[20:55] mikeal: no
[20:55] tanepiper: yea, i just added the list support myself, i'll go through and check the response stuff
[20:55] mikeal: just pass the attribute as the sliced array
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[20:56] mikeal: res.send({rows: Array……
[20:56] tanepiper: oh, yes :)
[20:56] tanepiper: heh it's nearly 9pm i've been coding straight since 10am 
[20:57] Sembiance: heh
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[20:57] Sembiance: tanepiper: each hour you spend coding after this point will take you 1 to 2 hours tomorrow to debug ;)
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[20:58] tanepiper: probably
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[21:01] tanepiper: but mikeal yea, i'm wondering if I should just go to using straight up requests with couchdb
[21:01] mikeal: that's what I do
[21:01] mikeal: i just use request
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[21:01] bingomanatee__: what is the "file exists" test funtion in node?
[21:01] tanepiper: cradle is nice, but i've managed to cut down a lot of code recently
[21:01] bingomanatee__: or do you just use stat?
[21:01] mikeal: bingomanatee: stat
[21:01] bingomanatee__: k thx
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[21:02] mikeal: tanepiper: everything i said here is pretty much still true http://nodeknockout.posterous.com/countdown-to-knockout-post-14-using-couchdb-w
[21:02] mikeal: i'm a weird use case, because i know the HTTP API incredibly well already
[21:02] mikeal: so an abstraction is just going to get in my way
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[21:02] mikeal: but the HTTP API is well defined, we just did new docs
[21:02] mikeal: http://docs.couchone.com/couchdb-api/index.html
[21:03] tanepiper: yea, i used it when i found out node-couchdb wasn't being activily developed anymore, but i can't remember why i ended up picking cradle in the end
[21:03] mikeal: well, this design doc abstraction seems nice
[21:03] frodenius: lol
[21:04] mikeal: i use node.couchapp.js to write my ddocs
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[21:04] tanepiper: i think that was it - but i could probably just rip that bit out of cradle for myself
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[21:04] tanepiper: i prefer to write design docs as actual JS rather than strings
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[21:11] mikeal: tanepiper: agreed
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[21:13] DrLou: mfernest: Are you still there.
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[21:22] bingomanatee__: My code is so clean I don
[21:22] bingomanatee__: t
[21:22] bingomanatee__:  need docs
[21:24] bingomanatee__: PHP and Java simply reflect and abstract documentation from their classes - an embedded doc syntax would be nice but I'm not sure its possible in the mixin world. 
[21:24] technoweenie: bingomanatee__: there is a Path.exists method, but i dont know of any benefits over Fs.stat
[21:26] bingomanatee__: well it does seem more prudant to use a binary method if you don't really want any stats. For isntance I actaully want to use it to prevent my code from overwriting files, so I'm acting on the NONexistence of a file. 
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[21:31] bingomanatee__: so the path.exists is perfect for me.
[21:31] bingomanatee__: Is there reflection in node/commonJS?
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[22:08] devinus: what's the hip new JS only build tool?
[22:08] bingomanatee: Shaft?
[22:09] devinus: bingomanatee: where's that?
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[22:16] mumphster: How do I get the content-type out of a http header using node
[22:16] mumphster: it keeps saying type is not defined
[22:17] tjholowaychuk: mumphster req.headers['content-type'] if is there
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[22:17] mumphster: oh
[22:17] mumphster: well
[22:17] mumphster: hm
[22:18] mfernest: DrLou: I'm back
[22:18] mumphster: how come I can pull everything else out of the headers using response.headers.* but not content-type
[22:18] mumphster: im new to this whole thing so im probaly being dumb
[22:20] mumphster: oh ya i was dumb
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[22:22] Aria: needed req.headers instead ? 
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[22:26] dnolen: is there any notion in node.js of a script running as "main" ?
[22:26] Aria: "as main"?
[22:26] Aria: The script you run kinda is a main thing, but ... not sure what you're asking.
[22:26] gkatsev: not python
[22:26] gkatsev: or java
[22:27] Aria: I mean, you can always do public static int main(int argv, char[][]argv) if you want, but .... ;-)
[22:27] dnolen: Aria: in python sometimes you want to use a python file as library and sometimes as a executable.
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[22:28] mumphster: Aria: nah content-type didnt want to work they way I was using it
[22:28] mumphster: but when i stuck it in a [] it worked fine
[22:28] Aria: Ah, yeah. "content minus type"
[22:28] mumphster: yup
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[22:28] tjholowaychuk: haha :)
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[22:29] Aria: dnolen: You can look at __file and choose to run a function based on that.
[22:29] Aria: (ruby style)
[22:29] mumphster: do I have to create a client for each request I do?
[22:29] mumphster: I just want to feed a url to an image and determine its type and thats sort of cumbersome
[22:30] Aria: You need a new client for each connection to an http server you make.
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[22:30] mumphster: so theres nothing like urllib for node?
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[22:31] mumphster: I guess i can make this work with some regex
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[22:31] dnolen: Aria: do you mean __filename? How I can use that. it emits the same thing whether I run "node file.js" or require that file from node-repl
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[22:32] Aria: Oh, yeah. __filename.
[22:32] Aria: Compare that to process.argv[1]
[22:32] Aria: mumphster: urllib? What is that?
[22:32] tjholowaychuk: mumphster: require('url').parse(str)
[22:32] mumphster: Aria: python 
[22:32] tjholowaychuk: what you are looking for?
[22:33] mumphster: is there a way to simplify the example int he api docs? thats what im basing this off of right now
[22:34] Aria: Ah, no idea about python
[22:34] mumphster: http://pastebin.com/3EtKbu7m like this. id like to just make a request straight to the image and read off its headers
[22:34] mumphster: totaly new to js so i mght be being dumb again
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[22:40] dnolen: Aria: sweet, thx
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[22:50] tmzt: tjholowaychuk: if I wanted express to return a partial intended for a div with xhr, I would use a custom layout.jade just for those requests?
[22:51] tmzt: essentially I'm looking for a way to both build a full page or just update the existing page with ajax using the same templates
[22:51] tjholowaychuk: tmzt: or { layout: false }
[22:51] tmzt: ok
[22:52] tjholowaychuk: tmzt: res.partial() also exists, its the same one you call when you do partial() in a template
[22:52] tmzt: okay, what I want is for site/account/new and site#account/new to do the same thing
[22:52] tmzt: obviously I have to handle the second one on the client
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[23:02] eazyigz: how can I get "Привет" instead of '\u041f\u0440\u0438\u0432\u0435\u0442', when I do: node> decodeURIComponent(encodeURIComponent("Привет"))
[23:02] Aria: Isn't that the same thing?
[23:02] eazyigz: not to the naked eye
[23:02] Aria: Node's REPL is just encoding the string down to ASCII
[23:02] eazyigz: in webkit it prints "Привет"
[23:02] Aria: Same representation in memory.
[23:03] Aria: Bet you'd need to tweak the REPL or the inspect function
[23:03] Aria: (and detecting utf-8 support reliably in a terminal is, I hear, hard.)
[23:03] eazyigz: oh...
[23:04] eazyigz: maybe it has to do with the curses module in linux
[23:04] eazyigz: to display these characters in the terminal
[23:04] Aria: node's repl doesn't use curses ;-)
[23:04] tmzt: does fbcon even suport unicode?
[23:05] Aria: Yes, limited repertoire though
[23:05] tmzt: you might need to use ufbcon or whatever debian isntaller uses
[23:05] Aria: (512 characters, I think)
[23:05] tmzt: or uxterm, etc.
[23:05] Aria: Yeah. It varies a lot.
[23:05] tmzt: what is REPL by the way?
[23:05] tmzt: I haven't seen a good explanation of that
[23:05] Aria: Read-Evaluate-Print-Loop.
[23:05] Aria: It's a LISP term.
[23:06] tmzt: ah
[23:06] tmzt: so interactive
[23:06] Aria: Exactly.
[23:06] emilepetrone: tjholowaychuk: know of any good db tutorials for node?
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[23:06] Aria: From the folks who brought you "car" and "cdr" meaning "first" and "rest" ;-)
[23:06] tjholowaychuk: emilepetrone: dunno
[23:07] emilepetrone: k thx
[23:07] tmzt: Aria: prefer logo
[23:07] Aria: Hehe. I'll trade you postscript for logo.
[23:07] tmzt: nah, logo has bf, bl
[23:07] bingomanatee_: When I was in school there was a woman who wrote PostScript by hand and fed it into laserwriters. 
[23:07] Aria: postscript has pop and the stack.
[23:08] tmzt: and :func :p1 :p2
[23:08] tmzt: er something
[23:08] bingomanatee_: Always wonder what happened to her. 
[23:08] Aria: Hee. That was me at one point.
[23:08] tmzt: I have a book on postscript
[23:08] tmzt: and implemented a basic one for the ti calculator in basic
[23:13] DrLou: mfernest: Sorry if I missed you. I was on a call.
[23:13] DrLou: was hoping to pick your brain about how you built on OpenSolaris.
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[23:20] softdrink: hooray for LFSRs
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[23:27] omni5cience: softdrink:  Shift registers?
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[23:28] xSmurf: omni5cience: I2C/SPI libraries for Node? Awesome! ;)
[23:29] softdrink: omni5cience:  yeah
[23:29] omni5cience: lolwut?! oh boy!
[23:30] xSmurf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shift_register
[23:30] tmzt: add binfmtmisc support and you can just replace your system with js
[23:30] softdrink: i needed repeatable random numbers, so i hacked together a galois lfsr
[23:31] omni5cience: 
ACTION could have phrased that better, in short Awesome indeed

[23:32] mikeal: cloudhead isn't here
[23:32] mikeal: damn
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[23:35] omni5cience: oh boy, how did I miss node on gumstix?! lol
[23:36] softdrink: dowhatnow? node on gumstix?
[23:37] softdrink: 
ACTION ports node to AVR

[23:40] bubbles: on the nodejs site node-v0.3.2 is called unstable, so I'm using 0.2.5 atm, are many people using 0.3.2 on public facing sites yet?
[23:40] gkatsev: any odd minor release is considered unstable and any even minor release is considered stable
[23:41] xSmurf: softdrink: YES
[23:41] gkatsev: but 0.3 is fairly stable or so people say
[23:41] xSmurf: I mean, there's a JavaVM after all!
[23:41] softdrink: ewwwwww java
[23:41] xSmurf: I know right!!
[23:41] tmzt: javavm?
[23:42] xSmurf: softdrink: 8bit or 32bits?
[23:42] gkatsev: tmzt: i'm guessing jvm.
[23:42] tmzt: yeah I mean why does that matter
[23:42] softdrink: pffff… i wish i had the skills to do that xSmurf.
[23:42] tmzt: since node doesn't need that
[23:43] xSmurf: tmzt: because if there is an 8bit jvm, I sure hope there are alternative
[23:43] xSmurf: actually I think I've seen a python interpreter too
[23:43] xSmurf: but it might have just preprocessed it into C
[23:44] tmzt: there's a jvm for 8 bit avr?
[23:44] Aria: gumstix are ARM, not AVR. . A fair bit more potent.
[23:44] omni5cience: the gumstix platform has been around for several years now, so it's not suprising
[23:44] tmzt: you don't mean the compiler like arduino uses?
[23:44] Aria: They use an OMAP
[23:44] xSmurf: Aria: there are 32Bit AVR which are very close to the ARM achitecture
[23:44] tmzt: yeah, overo is omap3 now
[23:44] Aria: True that.
[23:44] xSmurf: tmzt: there is, I know, go gfigure
[23:45] xSmurf: http://www.harbaum.org/till/nanovm/index.shtml
[23:45] Aria: Where 'very close' is a lot like 'pretty different but if all you want is a microcontroller at 40mhz, go for it'
[23:45] xSmurf: 8bit JVM for AVR
[23:45] omni5cience: there has been a lot of work on embedded java, god knows why
[23:45] Aria: Phones.
[23:45] omni5cience: true
[23:45] Aria: Cell phone manufacturers are nuts, that's why.
[23:46] Aria: Only thing more crazy is cell carriers.
[23:46] xSmurf: aight kids gotta head out, back in 30 mins or so
[23:46] xSmurf: hopefully this MCU conversation is still going by then
[23:46] xSmurf: o/
[23:46] omni5cience: so long
[23:47] omni5cience: Aria: I don't want to think about the kind of legacy code they must have in production
[23:47] Aria: Yeah, ow.
[23:48] softdrink: at universities, they teach way too much java, and far too little C.
[23:49] bingomanatee_: Is there any good tutorials on using ejs in node? I want to use it to create .js files .
[23:52] omni5cience: softdrink: that's one of the problem with CS programs these days
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