[00:03] xSmurf: tjholowaychuk: yes I know
[00:03] xSmurf: node-dev doesn't pass along SIGHIP
[00:03] xSmurf: *SIGHUP
[00:03] xSmurf: it just exists instead
[00:03] xSmurf: works fine in node
[00:04] tjholowaychuk: node-dev = 0.3.x?
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[00:05] pHcF: merry xmas! :)
[00:06] tjholowaychuk: you too man
[00:06] xSmurf: 0.2.x
[00:06] pHcF: thanks tjholowaychuk :)
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[00:07] xSmurf: I'd wish you all a merry xmas, but I'm a pastafarian, I only care for hackermas
[00:08] sechrist: nodemas
[00:08] sechrist: merry nodemas everybody
[00:08] sechrist: or rymas
[00:08] xSmurf: so happy hackermas to hall the hackers & pirates :}
[00:08] sechrist: arr them pirates
[00:08] sechrist: wikimas
[00:08] xSmurf: lol
[00:08] xSmurf: xleaks?
[00:08] sechrist: exactly
[00:08] xSmurf: sounds like a pr0n site :p
[00:09] xSmurf: should I really be using 0.3.x? it's the unstable branch after all
[00:09] tjholowaychuk: haha go pastafarians go
[00:09] sechrist: unstable means something else in software
[00:09] sechrist: it's not unstable
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[00:12] sechrist: xSmurf: only thing is -- is that 0.3 tagged releases happen quite often
[00:12] sechrist: if you have to roll it out to a bunch of machines it might get annoying
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[00:13] xSmurf: I see
[00:13] xSmurf: it's more like 0.3.x is the CI branch
[00:13] xSmurf: maybe I'll give it a shot
[00:13] sechrist: once 0.3 goes into stable that's when it becomes easier I hope
[00:13] sechrist: the thing is there's a few api changes between 0.2 and 0.3 that matter if you want to write code right now
[00:14] sechrist: I chose to adopt it early so I don't have to refactor some stuff
[00:14] xSmurf: I noticed
[00:15] sechrist: wow the press loves julian assange
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[00:25] gedw99: installing NPM on windows ? I have downloaded a precompiled nodeJS with cygwin1.dll and the other bits and nodeJS is working fully. But how to get npm working ?
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[00:28] gedw99: anyone got any linsk for this ? Or is it basically impossible to do on Windows
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[00:32] Wizek: gedw99: Have you tried the one line curl installing command?
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[00:33] Wizek: gedw99: Did you use cygwin, or other way?
[00:34] gedw99: i did NOT install cygmin, i went for the easy way and downloaded a pre statically linked version of node.
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[00:34] gedw99: i got it from here: http://node-js.prcn.co.cc/
[00:35] Wizek: gedw99: I know only a way with cygwin... So I advise you do it that way
[00:35] Wizek: or virtual machine
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[00:35] gedw99: ok, i think its the path of least resistance. I will try virt machine. shoudl be easy,.
[00:35] gedw99: thanks for help Wizek !
[00:36] Wizek: v8: var test = 1
[00:36] v8bot: Wizek: undefined
[00:38] Wizek: gedw99: Yep, it'll be quite easy that way
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[00:40] Wizek: v8: var test = 2
[00:40] v8bot: Wizek: undefined
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[00:52] martigam: I am trying out zappa, but I keep getting this error when I'm trying to run it: Error: ENOENT, No such file or directory 'node'
[00:52] martigam: any ideas? just running  $node works great
[00:59] squires: sounds like maybe zappa is running with a different path than your shell?
[01:01] martigam: yeah.. but I have no idea how that happened :p
[01:01] squires: does it give a stack trace?
[01:03] Wizek: Can url parsing be done better (as in more efficiently, or better in any other way) than this: https://gist.github.com/754604 ?
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[01:33] polotek: Wizek: why are you not using the querystring module?
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[01:48] Wizek: polotek: If this tasc can be done with under ten lines of code, I'd rather not load another module. But, what is that good at?
[01:49] polotek: exactly what you're doing
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[01:49] Wizek: Why express won't serve any static files this way: http://prntscr.com/1bto3 ?
[01:50] polotek: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.3.2/api/querystring.html
[01:52] polotek: Wizek: I don't really use express
[01:52] Wizek: and how about the others?
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[02:00] polotek: others?
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[02:09] dthompson: wizek:  it loads the files from your 'static' directory, but serves them up at the server root… 
[02:09] Wizek: dthompson: I know
[02:10] Wizek: dthompson: It works if I comment out the app.use(...) line before the static provider
[02:10] Wizek: but I need a custom fuction there
[02:11] Wizek: dthompson: So, why isn't next passes control to the static provider, and replys my browser 404
[02:11] Wizek: ?
[02:12] dthompson: I've never added a custom function before using the static provider, idk why it wouldnt work 
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[02:19] dthompson: I just tried your code, it works ok for me, even with the custom function. node: v0.2.5 and latest express 
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[02:23] cagdas: any idea what this message is about: npm ERR! nave@latest Error: undefined log message
[02:25] cagdas: I get this when I try "npm update"
[02:25] sivy: hey folks; i seem to remember reading about a node module that would help you wrap a C library. Am i remembering wrong, or does such a beast exist?
[02:26] polotek: cagdas: update tries to update all of your out of date packages
[02:26] polotek: unless you pass it a name
[02:26] polotek: so something wrong with updating nave
[02:26] polotek: if you're trying to update npm, do npm update npm
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[02:27] cagdas: this is a fresh server
[02:27] cagdas: only npm, node 0.2.5 and nave are installed
[02:27] cagdas: when I install another package
[02:27] cagdas: this package also starts to give the same error
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[02:41] m0rganic: err node node node
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[02:42] m0rganic: whas up node
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[03:14] shripadk: hello! i have written a post-commit script in node for making my git deployments easier.  However I am facing an issue: https://gist.github.com/754651 and the post-commit script: https://gist.github.com/754649 please help... :)
[03:14] shripadk: the git repo exists... it was created the first time...
[03:15] shripadk: sorry that should be post-receive
[03:15] shripadk: not post-commit... my bad :)
[03:16] Cartel: Try http://goo.gl/UOI0Q
[03:17] shripadk: Cartel: ???
[03:17] Cartel: shripadk: That link makes me love node.js
[03:17] shripadk: lol :)
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[03:23] Cartel: http://img.brothersoft.com/screenshots/softimage/m/madonna-green-395569-1282094675.jpeg makes me happy
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[03:39] shripadk: ah! found an article
[03:39] shripadk: http://debuggable.com/posts/git-tip-auto-update-working-tree-via-post-receive-hook:49551efe-6414-4e86-aec6-544f4834cda3
[03:39] shripadk: felixge is the man
[03:39] shripadk: had to env -i
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[03:48] MadonnaFan: Hi, I am in a start-up that wants to use node.js coexisting with legay JSP on Tomcat/Apachre
[03:48] MadonnaFan: Are there any hosts for node.js?
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[03:49] shripadk: use any vps that provides you root access... joyent/nodejitsu/heroku/webbynode etc
[03:49] shripadk: heroku doesn't... and is in closed beta.
[03:50] MadonnaFan: Okay, I have a dedicated server running CentOS right now
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[03:52] MadonnaFan: The problem is node.js needs to run on a different port than Apache (port 80), which means I can't use xmlhttprequests() to get data from it
[03:53] MadonnaFan: Which ruins it :(
[03:54] MadonnaFan: How do you make both run on port 80 without wasting resources?
[03:55] MadonnaFan: Maybe a different IP inside  virtual machine
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[04:21] Sembiance: MadonnaFan: hey, I just went live with node.js on my production server
[04:22] Sembiance: MadonnaFan: I use nginx instead of Apache, and I run node.js on a local 127.0.0.1 port. Then all requests to /node/ are funneled by nginx to node.js
[04:23] Sembiance: MadonnaFan: works perfectly. nginx serves all my static HTML/CSS/JS/image files just great. I can xmlhttprequest to /node/whatever and node.js handles it. No cross-domain problems at all
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[04:24] MadonnaFan: Sembiance: Hmm. Problem is, the server has a lot of sites live in Apache
[04:24] MadonnaFan: Using VirtualHosts
[04:24] Sembiance: MadonnaFan: ahh, I use nginx's equilivant of virtual hosts. But apache can do the same sort of 'forward to node any requests to /node/;
[04:28] Sembiance: :)
[04:31] MadonnaFan: How mch traffic are you handling with that setup?
[04:33] Sembiance: MadonnaFan: about 3.5 visits a month, but that's according to google analytics. a lot more gets sent to node
[04:33] Sembiance: MadonnaFan: err 3.5 million visits
[04:33] brianc: MadonnaFan: google for "nginix reverse proxy"
[04:33] Sembiance: MadonnaFan: I don't actually have any logging on how much the node.js server handles
[04:34] brianc: *nginx
[04:35] MadonnaFan: ok cool
[04:35] iszak: why add the overhead
[04:37] MadonnaFan: iszak: So you can server static HTML and node.js o the same server
[04:37] MadonnaFan: *onn
[04:37] brianc: iszak: because nginx overhead is minimal and because Ry suggests not to run node.js directly on port 80 because of possible security vunerabilities in the http parser
[04:37] Sembiance: iszak: nginx is mad fast. Many companies use nginx just to proxy stuff, it's that good at it. it's also one hell of a web server itself, so the amount of 'overhead' is trivial compared to the gained simplicty in just talking to one host
[04:38] Sembiance: iszak: with one port, no browser security restrictions get in the way
[04:38] Sembiance: iszak: what brianc said :)
[04:38] iszak: that's why you work it like a pro and use trunk.
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[04:39] brianc: once I set up nginx reverse proxy to node it actully turned out to be a plesant way to have things setup
[04:40] brianc: granted ymmv but i found it nice to use nginx to map sub-domains to different node processes
[04:40] iszak: I don't want the overhead of a webserver.
[04:40] brianc: so my box has node on ports 3000 and up and i map sub-domains to individual node processes.  allows for testing something like stage.whatever.com going to a node process on 3001 while www.whatever.com goes to 3000
[04:41] iszak: couldn't you do that with node itself and fork it off to child processes.
[04:41] brianc: iszak: while you're at it, disable the firewall on your server. it adds overhead as well.
[04:41] MadonnaFan: What is trunk?
[04:41] iszak: I will.
[04:41] iszak: MadonnaFan, basically the bleeding edge sourc.
[04:41] iszak: s/sourc/source/
[04:43] brianc: iszak: not sure what you mean by doing it with node itself. would be interested in seeing an example
[04:43] MadonnaFan: You could work in a web server built into node.js :p
[04:43] brianc: could you gist the idea? 
[04:43] iszak: I mean obv. node.js won't ever be as efficient as a daemon built as a web server.
[04:44] brianc: iszak: i not tryin' to be sarcastic, i generally interested in the idea
[04:44] brianc: iszak: I'm not a pro w/ forking on unix. i understand the basics, but don't have a lot of practice with it directly
[04:44] iszak: when is the 0.3.2 docs going to get styled like 0.2.x
[04:44] Sembiance: iszak: why on earth would you want node.js to be a full blown web server? nginx already works amazingly well at that.
[04:45] Sembiance: iszak: :)
[04:45] brianc: iszak: seriously. i was hoping the 3.0 docs were just missing style. i think the new doc style is way harder to navigate
[04:45] iszak: because sometimes you don't want a web server.
[04:45] iszak: brianc, I miss the familiarity.
[04:45] Sembiance: iszak: true, like when your not serving web requests :)
[04:46] iszak: I mean why use Nginx if node.js is merely serving as an API.
[04:46] Sembiance: iszak: or your serving a tiny number of them, or when your only serving data/API calls, and no static files.
[04:46] Sembiance: iszak: true.
[04:46] brianc: iszak: same. one thing nice on the new one is if you view it all as one file you can use built in browser searching to find stuff relatively fast
[04:46] iszak: exactly.
[04:46] iszak: brianc, oh so you can, never noticed that, thanks.
[04:47] brianc: iszak: merry xmas ;)
[04:47] iszak: yeah, you too.
[04:49] Sembiance: iszak: so, working on anything nifty/exciting? :)
[04:49] iszak: Not with node.js, no.
[04:50] iszak: Limited to two screens atm, so productivity is down.
[04:51] brianc: iszak: how many screens you usually have?
[04:51] brianc: iszak: and by screens you mean actual monitors, yes yes?
[04:52] iszak: yes, monitors, I usually have 3 x 23" 1920 by 1080 monitors.
[04:52] brianc: iszak: daaaaang
[04:52] brianc: iszak: generally i just work on my lappy
[04:52] iszak: I like the screen restate of 5760 by 1080.
[04:52] brianc: iszak: i use screen for maximum terminal nerdy-ness
[04:53] iszak: yeah I usually use tilda for maximum terminal power too.
[04:53] brianc: what's tilda?
[04:54] iszak: it's a program in ubuntu which allows you to alias keys to dropdown terminals
[04:54] brianc: cool
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[04:55] iszak: brianc, I'm guessing you don't use ubuntu.
[04:55] Sembiance: I only use two screens. a 23" 1920x1028 as my main, and then a 19" 1024x1280 in portrait mode
[04:56] iszak: yeah I can't use different monitors, does my eyes in.
[04:57] brianc: i am okay with most monitors as long as the font is large
[04:57] brianc: iszak: yeah I have OS X and I'm ssh into a debian linode right now
[04:58] iszak: I have heard good things about linode.
[04:58] brianc: iszak: 15 dollars a month for an always on computer. nice for running irssi & having a terminal you can connect to at any time and it's always in the same state
[04:58] brianc: using "screen" anyways
[04:59] iszak: I pay $20 for a 2 GB RAM, 100 GB disk space, 1000 GB bandwidth site, normally $50.
[04:59] iszak: No overselling, Service license agreement for guaranteed uptime.
[04:59] brianc: iszak: that's a fab deal
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[04:59] iszak: yeah, WHT <3
[04:59] brianc: my linode is 600 megs of ram
[05:00] brianc: WHT?
[05:00] iszak: Web Hosting Talk
[05:00] brianc: dunno what that iiiis
[05:00] Aria: Good fora.
[05:00] brianc: I'm working on performance tuning my postgres driver right now
[05:00] iszak: brianc, it's a forum.
[05:00] brianc: 10,000 queries in .9 seconds
[05:00] iszak: Nice!
[05:01] Sembiance: heh
[05:03] brianc: i can't tell if that's fast or not
[05:03] iszak: what type of queries?
[05:03] iszak: and is that table locking or row locking
[05:03] brianc: Well since I'm trying to benchmark the driver
[05:03] brianc: I'm trying to have the queries take as little time as possible within postgres
[05:03] Sembiance: I'm paying $300/month for a dedicated Xeon E5520 server with 12GB RAM and 20TB of bandwidth. That's my new server for Nginx+Node+Redis. It should be large enough for the next several years
[05:03] iszak: I really should move from MyISAM to InnoDB when I'm getting 52,000 hits an hour.
[05:04] brianc: Sembiance: where do you work?
[05:04] Sembiance: oh, and then I have another server that just servers the images
[05:04] Sembiance: brianc: this isn't for work, it's for my personal site, http://worldofsolitaire.com
[05:05] iszak: I wanted to get a dedicated server..
[05:05] iszak: but I know I won't use it all, so it was kinda a waste.
[05:05] Sembiance: iszak: I started out with MySQL and MyISAM. a few months in I switched to InnoDB. A year after that I switched to Postgres and just today I switched to Redis.
[05:05] brianc: ah how fun
[05:05] iszak: in a few more years you'll be using MongoDB.
[05:05] iszak: or maybe plain text files.
[05:06] Sembiance: iszak: dude, it does web scale. only /dev/null beats it!
[05:06] Sembiance: iszak: that was a reference to a funny video about mongo ;)
[05:06] brianc: what about nstore? keep yer data in your node memory space
[05:06] Sembiance: iszak: my data is pretty much just counters and sorted sets. My MySQL and Postgres use was vast overkill
[05:07] Sembiance: brianc: well, I have to have some level of trust with my dbstore. Node.js based db's I don't trust at all. Redis I at least know runs in several production environments and so I trust it more than zero :)
[05:07] MadonnaFan: I think /dev/null is inconsistent
[05:08] Sembiance: http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6995033/
[05:08] iszak: Sembiance, I guess some people like ACID and others don't.
[05:09] iszak: and I've seen that video before.
[05:10] brianc: sometimes you need ACID, sometimes you don't
[05:10] brianc: also I think highly relationally based datasets make sense in relational databases
[05:10] brianc: where having a few aggregate roots doesn't really fit the domain
[05:11] MadonnaFan: Do you guys prefer languages that use curlies and braces?
[05:11] MadonnaFan: CoffeeScript probably works with node.js, but I don't see the point
[05:11] Sembiance: MadonnaFan: CoffeeScript has a bunch of fans that really like it, and this is a good thing. I've taken a look at 2 or 3 times now but I'm not sold on it yet
[05:12] MadonnaFan: I like my braces
[05:12] brianc: Sembiance: I agree w/ Sembiance
[05:12] Sembiance: MadonnaFan: C/C++, Java, Javascript, the syntax makes me feel all warm and cozy. Even python isn't much of a departure.
[05:12] iszak: yeah nty to coffeescript, looks cool but i'd rather not have a dependency.
[05:12] brianc: Sembiance: seems cool but maybe for app-layer code and not library code
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[05:12] iszak: Why not create GUIScript where you code no JS it's just all GUI based, that's what scared me about CoffeeScript.
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[05:14] MadonnaFan: I wish Python let me have my braces
[05:14] MadonnaFan: I want to do while (condition( { }
[05:14] MadonnaFan: *)
[05:14] MadonnaFan: I like JS :)
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[05:19] Sembiance: well
[05:19] Sembiance: I'm heading to bed. Night folks :)
[05:20] MadonnaFan: bte
[05:20] MadonnaFan: err bye
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[05:31] indexzero: SubStack: Just pushed forever 0.3.1 to npm
[05:31] SubStack: saw that
[05:32] SubStack: good stuff
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[05:43] indexzero: what's this telescreen thing you're working on? I was checking out the code
[05:44] SubStack: it's for managing processes across multiple servers
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[05:45] indexzero: how are you handling SSH keys?
[05:45] SubStack: it doesn't use ssh
[05:45] indexzero: oh right, it's dnode
[05:46] indexzero: I was actually thinking about installing dnode on all servers in nodejitsu
[05:47] SubStack: so basically with telescreen you start up a listener
[05:47] SubStack: and then on additional servers you want to connect to the network, you do telescreen connect host port
[05:48] SubStack: and then from the listener server you can connect and view output from all the processes in one place
[05:48] indexzero: nice
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[05:48] indexzero: is there anyway authentication in the dnode protocol?
[05:49] SubStack: sure, just hide the methods you want to protect behind another method
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[05:50] SubStack: like this https://github.com/substack/dnode/blob/master/examples/auth/server.js 
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[05:50] MadonnaFan: Can node.js serve a JPEG like this? http://www.legendaryauctions.com/LotImages/66/106545c_lg.jpeg
[05:50] iszak: course.
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[06:15] guybrush: what is the best way to get the spark-features into my own executable (npm-bin)? since there is no export of any object in bin/spark
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[06:33] sechrist: is coffeescript gaining any sort of real popularity?
[06:35] sechrist: I think if I were to implement it into our webapplication it would compile before sending out
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[06:51] evanmeagher: sechrist: scabbly/wordsquared used it
[06:51] sechrist: que?
[06:51] evanmeagher: coffeescript
[06:52] sechrist: yeah but I wasn't aware was wordsquared was until I googled it
[06:52] evanmeagher: oh right, heh
[06:52] evanmeagher: it was a really popular entry to the node.js knockout contest
[06:53] sechrist: this is pretty slick
[06:53] evanmeagher: massively multiplayer scrabble, basically
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[07:54] TheEmpath: hail nodites
[07:54] chapel: hola TheEmpath
[07:56] CIA-121: node: 03Tom Hughes 07master * r54b1f80 10/ src/node_crypto.cc : Free (ref-counted) private key. - http://bit.ly/hS9Vgf
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[08:06] TheEmpath: anyone know how to add color to bash?
[08:06] TheEmpath: im lost :(
[08:06] TheEmpath: i know, wrong chan
[08:06] TheEmpath: :(
[08:07] TheEmpath: merry christmas from the west coast btw
[08:08] chapel: hmm
[08:08] chapel: just in general
[08:08] chapel: or using node?
[08:08] TheEmpath: in general
[08:08] TheEmpath: i just got a cloud server and im pimping it out
[08:08] TheEmpath: its small beans
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[08:09] TheEmpath: 256mb ram, 10gb hd, but its good because i wanna make this server efficient to handle massive requests on such limited resources
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[08:10] chapel: http://www.systhread.net/texts/200703bashish.php
[08:11] lin__: TheEmpath, but it may has very limited bandwidth.
[08:11] TheEmpath: indeedy
[08:11] TheEmpath: its a good testing server for $10 a month
[08:11] TheEmpath: cheaper than building my own box :(
[08:12] TheEmpath: plus if i wanna upgrade my ram, i press a button instead of muttering about how tiny these computer cases are getting
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[08:44] TheEmpath: hey people
[08:44] TheEmpath: check out my node.js project live :D  it reports server stats http://184.106.93.156:8000/dashboard.html
[08:44] TheEmpath: oo soemone checked it out
[08:44] TheEmpath: aww they left
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[08:45] DTrejo: good evening everyone — has anyone worked with node-xmpp or xmppjs?
[08:45] TheEmpath: hey someone else is here
[08:46] TheEmpath: ooo two people
[08:46] lin__: TheEmpath, very cool
[08:46] DTrejo: :)
[08:46] TheEmpath: useful little dashboard i use to test my node.js scripts to see whats going on in the framework
[08:46] TheEmpath: lets me know when event queues spill over too
[08:47] TheEmpath: i also have a minigame
[08:47] TheEmpath: http://184.106.93.156:8000/brix.html
[08:47] TheEmpath: you move, we see it :D
[08:47] TheEmpath: the client code is spastic still :(
[08:47] TheEmpath: i see you moving!
[08:47] DTrejo: cool
[08:47] DTrejo: that's me
[08:47] TheEmpath: lol
[08:48] TheEmpath: after about 18 users it craps out
[08:48] DTrejo: you should remove the default action on the arrow keys and make the viewort smaller so there's no scrolling
[08:48] TheEmpath: ya
[08:48] TheEmpath: the client is crappy as all hell
[08:48] TheEmpath: i gottaa optimize it
[08:48] TheEmpath: very POC
[08:50] DTrejo: Astro: are you the author of node-xmpp?
[08:51] DTrejo: Astro: was trying to install it on snow leopard and was having some issues, I suppose it'd be best to make an issue
[08:53] TheEmpath: i'll flesh this out more over time
[08:53] TheEmpath: the client code is pure ass
[08:53] TheEmpath: but the server code is top notch
[08:53] TheEmpath: and i want it to be even more top notch
[08:53] TheEmpath: 
ACTION is a server code optimization whore.

[08:54] TheEmpath: i want to get at least 100 users per server actively moving on this
[08:54] DTrejo: mm
[08:55] TheEmpath: the key is finding a realistic balance between socket i/o and visual expectation
[08:55] TheEmpath: once i find that, then i can really fine tune things
[08:55] TheEmpath: code for it is here: https://github.com/cainiac/imhotep
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[09:01] DTrejo: TheEmpath: you could easily make the brix game controllable by telephone :)
[09:01] DTrejo: https://github.com/dtrejo/nodaphone
[09:04] TheEmpath: im totally callign it
[09:04] chapel: heh
[09:04] chapel: I have an idea for a service
[09:05] chapel: where someone calls in, and leaves a message for themselves, and set a regular time for the service to call them and play their message as a reminder
[09:05] DTrejo: chapel: i like it
[09:05] TheEmpath: ha!
[09:05] TheEmpath: hilarious
[09:05] TheEmpath: great for customer service enterprise applications
[09:05] DTrejo: chapel: you could make that with twilio
[09:06] chapel: yeah
[09:06] chapel: thats what I was thinking
[09:06] chapel: could be handled all with a phone too
[09:06] DTrejo: TheEmpath: glad you liked the demo, now I know your phone number :evilgrin:
[09:06] TheEmpath: its a google phone number
[09:06] chapel: just call in, and set a time, frequency and your message and it will continue to call until you disable it
[09:06] TheEmpath: its worthless
[09:07] TheEmpath: 
ACTION still has 3 players on his server.

[09:07] TheEmpath: errr 1
[09:07] TheEmpath: tee hee
[09:09] chapel: DTrejo: how would a phone system like that scale?
[09:09] chapel: just sign up to a voip service?
[09:10] TheEmpath: imagine tying in that service for pizza delivery
[09:10] DTrejo: chapel: well, you just have a bunch of those timer'd loops running, and then it tells twilio to call people and a video clip you had recorded
[09:10] DTrejo: *play an audio clip
[09:10] chapel: well the server I have figured out for the most part
[09:10] DTrejo: chapel: the scaling problems are twilio's problem, I'm pretty sure
[09:10] chapel: just curious about the 'calling'
[09:11] chapel: oh
[09:11] chapel: twillo yeah
[09:11] chapel: they handle the phone calls
[09:11] DTrejo: since they have to deal with the data and all that
[09:11] chapel: tbh I forgot exactly what they did
[09:11] DTrejo: and phones - arg hardware hehe
[09:13] chapel: hmm
[09:13] chapel: Im wondering, should I use a queue program like rabbitmq?
[09:14] chapel: I wouldn't set a timer for each time, just add them to a rotating queue
[09:14] chapel: just not sure if I should built it myself or use something that exists that is more robust
[09:16] DTrejo: chapel: I'd start off with something really flimsy and see where that gets you
[09:17] chapel: yeah
[09:17] chapel: :)
[09:17] DTrejo: flimsiness ftw
[09:19] chapel: perfect usecase
[09:19] chapel: you are on a date, and want to be called at a specific time
[09:19] chapel: to get out of a situation
[09:21] DTrejo: gnight!
[09:21] DTrejo: chapel: didn't even think of that..
[09:22] chapel: nn
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[13:00] mscdex: node.js rules!
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[13:17] kkaefer: is there a way to use ndistro with npm?
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[14:26] Wizek: Hi there
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[14:38] chapel: hola
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[15:02] Wizek: Where can I get SHA-256 for node?
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[15:08] frodenius: Wizek㇀ http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.3.2/api/crypto.html#crypto.createHash
[15:09] Wizek: frodenius: woo, thanks
[15:15] Wizek: frodenius: But, I don't really see how this ought to be used... I experimented, but couldn't get it to return the hash of a string. How should I do it?
[15:15] Wizek: also, an example of use case would be a good idea on the docs page
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[15:24] stride: Wizek: easiest application would be something like: return Crypto.createHash('md5').update(mailaddress).digest('hex'); (with the algorithm you want)
[15:25] stride: where mailaddress is the data that's hashed here
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[15:53] Wizek: thanks stride, that worked
[15:53] kkaefer: with npm, when I have a package.json file, how can I run npm so that it satisfies/installs the dependencies without installing the package.json file referenced itself?
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[15:53] Wizek: if only this one liner example would have been a the doc's page, I wouldn't have to ask
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[15:55] augustl_eee: is there a roadmap for 0.3? Do we know anything about it's release date? Wondering if I should target 0.2 or 0.3.
[15:56] Wizek: Another: does anyone here uses Mongoose? I'm getting fed up with the native-mongo driver's never ending callback jungle, and want to polish my code. The problem is, that their doc (docs again!) seem to be outdated, as I cannot make it to do me a database side (as in MongoDB-side) count for me
[15:56] gf3: kkaefer: npm bundle
[15:56] kkaefer: gf3: yeah, I found that, but it copies the dependencies to node_modules
[15:57] gf3: well it installs them to node_modules
[15:57] gf3: kkaefer: modify your require path and BAM
[15:57] kkaefer: yeah; is there a way to install them in the regular npm lib path?
[15:57] kkaefer: like, system-wide
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[15:58] gf3: kkaefer: why don't you parse the package.json file and install them manually?
[15:58] Wizek: Ooor, anyone who uses MongoDB with a module other than mongoose or mongo-native?
[15:59] kkaefer: gf3: I guess I'm trying to abuse npm in the way ndistro works
[15:59] kkaefer: except that ndistro doesn't care about package.json files
[16:00] kkaefer: hmm, I'd describe it as "I'm trying to build a ndistro clone with bits of nvm and npm"
[16:02] gf3: kkaefer: http://pastie.org/1404957
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[16:07] kirkt: hi all, is there any website that i can use to be updated and learn node.js?
[16:08] gf3: kirkt: http://howtonode.org/
[16:08] kirkt: thats like a blog aggregator right?
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[16:30] kkaefer: gf3: thanks, but let me explain my question in more detail:
[16:30] kkaefer: in package.json, I write the dependencies (like express >= 1.0.0, jade > 0.5)
[16:30] kkaefer: I run a npm command
[16:30] kkaefer: and then, npm checks whether it already has these dependencies installed
[16:30] kkaefer: (using the global node prefix with the node binary that is executing npm)
[16:31] kkaefer: and if not, it installs them
[16:31] kkaefer: like "verify that all dependencies from this package are met"
[16:31] gf3: kkaefer: yes, I'm saying you'll have to do it manually
[16:31] kkaefer: hmm
[16:31] kkaefer: okay
[16:32] gf3: iterate through the deps, and install them via npm
[16:32] kkaefer: I guess it's like npm link .
[16:32] kkaefer: except that it doesn't create the final symlink
[16:32] kkaefer: maybe I can copy some code from there
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[17:05] saschagehlich: hey, how can I log the complete request of a http.ClientRequest?
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[17:30] pyrotechnick: i'm totally writing node.js bindings to bullet
[17:30] chapel: bullet?
[17:30] pyrotechnick: bullet physics
[17:31] pyrotechnick: it's going to be fucking sweet
[17:31] pyrotechnick: i just thought i'd do a shout out in case someone was in the process of it
[17:31] RevoOf: pyrotechnick: will it be in a different thread?
[17:32] pyrotechnick: hmm i don't know much about addons TBH this is my first one
[17:32] pyrotechnick: i'm just going to make it work
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[17:32] pyrotechnick: and then put it up and you guys can pick it to pieces
[17:32] pyrotechnick: what would you recommend architecturally?
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[17:32] RevoOf: ok. it could be very useful, but it might be hard to do on the first hit
[17:33] pyrotechnick: i'll give you our use case and you let me know if it's going to require threading
[17:33] pyrotechnick: basically it's a minecraft MMO
[17:33] pyrotechnick: written on node.js and WebGL
[17:34] RevoOf: i am not sure, but i think it should be async unless you run the physics in an extra node instance. maybe someone else say sth
[17:34] pyrotechnick: thats what i was actually thinking about
[17:34] pyrotechnick: sth?
[17:34] pyrotechnick: single thread?
[17:34] RevoOf: maybe someone else could say *something*
[17:35] pyrotechnick: i think it would be nice for the physics to be in its own node, i am worried about the latency between that and the game logic / networking living in another node
[17:35] pyrotechnick: what is the fastest way to make two nodes communicate?
[17:35] RevoOf: sockets, i think
[17:36] pyrotechnick: sorry these are really noob questions but i promise i can contribute some sweet stuff if someone gives me the chance
[17:36] pyrotechnick: okay. we are using websockets between the clients and node atm
[17:36] pyrotechnick: the physics can be UDP
[17:36] pyrotechnick: between the nodes
[17:36] pyrotechnick: would that make it much faster?
[17:36] pyrotechnick: than tcp
[17:36] RevoOf: i dont think tcp would be much overhead if its on the same machien
[17:37] pyrotechnick: oh really?
[17:37] RevoOf: s/machien/machine/
[17:37] pyrotechnick: i thought there was a bunch of processing done, error checking, reshuffling etc
[17:37] pyrotechnick: oh i see
[17:37] pyrotechnick: not much of that would happen since packets cant be lost or shuffled
[17:37] pyrotechnick: okay well that can sort of be decided later, it's still going to send "frames" over TCP anyway
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[17:38] pyrotechnick: are you familiar with minecraft?
[17:38] RevoOf: i know what it is
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[17:38] pyrotechnick: it has a really horrible server implementation and architecture
[17:39] pyrotechnick: so i'm kind of hoping to sidestep alot of its pitfalls
[17:39] RevoOf: i just played it for 10  min or so
[17:39] pyrotechnick: and at the asme time make it reasonably scalable
[17:39] pyrotechnick: s/asme/same
[17:39] SubStack: architecture!
[17:39] pyrotechnick: hey?
[17:39] RevoOf: if you want to clone it you probably wont need bullet physics btw
[17:40] pyrotechnick: we're not exactly
[17:40] pyrotechnick: i know that minecraft only has AABB physics
[17:40] RevoOf: ok
[17:40] pyrotechnick: but we're not really interested in an outright clone
[17:40] pyrotechnick: but thanks
[17:40] SubStack: oh crap bullet
[17:40] pyrotechnick: anyway basically the world is chunked into blocks 16*16*128
[17:40] pyrotechnick: what?
[17:40] SubStack: I tried to use bullet once
[17:40] pyrotechnick: bullet is amazing
[17:40] SubStack: bullet is so terrible
[17:40] SubStack: as an api
[17:40] pyrotechnick: dont be hatin'
[17:40] pyrotechnick: yeah well
[17:40] SubStack: the api is pure shit, just saying
[17:40] pyrotechnick: yeah
[17:40] pyrotechnick: i am aware of that, it's not the worse though
[17:40] SubStack: if you made any progress with it that's great
[17:41] pyrotechnick: i have
[17:41] pyrotechnick: basically atm
[17:41] SubStack: ode is pretty good
[17:41] pyrotechnick: yeah?
[17:41] SubStack: the stability of it sucks though
[17:41] SubStack: at least, requires careful tuning
[17:41] pyrotechnick: basically ATM we have two main branches
[17:41] pyrotechnick: networked and single player
[17:41] pyrotechnick: single player has physics on the client
[17:41] pyrotechnick: using bullet.js
[17:41] pyrotechnick: which is a port of bullet.jaba
[17:41] pyrotechnick: java*
[17:41] pyrotechnick: but it's fucking hideous
[17:42] SubStack: I can imagine
[17:42] pyrotechnick: emscripten can do bullet but it's 8MB
[17:42] pyrotechnick: in fact it's one of their flagship demos
[17:42] SubStack: http://www.ode.org/ 
[17:42] pyrotechnick: so that is sort of out of the question
[17:43] pyrotechnick: SubStack: i'm aware of ODE. we have a few reasons for choosing bullet. mainly for interoperability between blender and COLLADA
[17:43] pyrotechnick: but if at the end of my little spiel you think its a bad idea still let me know
[17:43] pyrotechnick: anyway clientside physics atm but thats just not feasible for an MMO
[17:43] SubStack: as long as you know about it
[17:44] pyrotechnick: thanks
[17:44] pyrotechnick: ill see how big it is once it's emscripted
[17:44] pyrotechnick: the other branch has networking with physics running on the server, the same bullet.js port
[17:44] pyrotechnick: but it's slow as hell
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[17:44] pyrotechnick: which brings me here
[17:44] pyrotechnick: trying to create bindings for bullet
[17:45] SubStack: quite a hard problem
[17:45] pyrotechnick: the bindings?
[17:45] RevoOf:  he wanted to try it sync first
[17:45] pyrotechnick: yes
[17:45] pyrotechnick: well what do you mean by that exactly as a concrete example
[17:45] pyrotechnick: i understand async/sync but im not sure how it would relate to bullet
[17:45] SubStack: I mean tuning performance by balancing client and server computation
[17:46] RevoOf: ah ... ok
[17:46] pyrotechnick: there are a few ways i can clock bullet in node
[17:46] pyrotechnick: like have a javascript loop call the stepSimulation
[17:46] SubStack: what about more frequent updates on the client?
[17:46] pyrotechnick: have bullet do that itself and push to js
[17:46] pyrotechnick: or have bullet do that and get results pulled from js
[17:47] SubStack: and then they are compared to the server's less frequent computations to prevent cheating
[17:47] pyrotechnick: SubStack: what do you mean?
[17:47] SubStack: with some checks and tolerances for numeric stability
[17:47] pyrotechnick: yeah that's why i'd like to keep it in the one language
[17:47] pyrotechnick: yes!
[17:47] pyrotechnick: precisely
[17:47] pyrotechnick: so if we keep it all the same language
[17:47] RevoOf: mhh ...
[17:47] pyrotechnick: we can move it around
[17:47] pyrotechnick: fairly easily and see what works and what doesnt
[17:47] SubStack: well but bindings wouldn't be enough
[17:48] SubStack: you'd need a pure js implementation of the physics engine
[17:48] pyrotechnick: why not
[17:48] pyrotechnick: why
[17:48] pyrotechnick: i have two already
[17:48] pyrotechnick: but why would i need that on the server
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[17:48] pyrotechnick: im trying to make it faster
[17:48] SubStack: ah
[17:48] pyrotechnick: are you even reading what i'm saying lol
[17:48] SubStack: I read it backwards
[17:48] pyrotechnick: ok
[17:48] pyrotechnick: so i have bullet.js and emscripted bullet, both in js
[17:49] pyrotechnick: one is a port the other is automatically generated from LLVM
[17:49] pyrotechnick: right?
[17:49] pyrotechnick: one sucks the other is too big
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[17:50] pyrotechnick: but ill just have to cop it sweet and use one or the other on the client, hopefully the emscripted one since its API is closer to c++ bullet
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[17:50] pyrotechnick: but that can all be tailored for in the bindings
[17:50] pyrotechnick: 8MB is a big ask for physics
[17:51] pyrotechnick: anyway im not even sure we have to mirror the physics on the client so let's not get tied up in a problem that i'm not convinced exists
[17:51] pyrotechnick: the real problem is the bindings and how i should structure bullet and the nodes
[17:51] pyrotechnick: i like the idea of it running in a node by itself
[17:52] pyrotechnick: it really should be a separate subsystem and that would force us to do things properly like the "real" game developers do
[17:52] pyrotechnick: i also believe it would make the bindings simpler right?
[17:53] RevoOf: simpler to implement, yes, i think
[17:53] pyrotechnick: they'd simply call through to bullet methods synchronously… if i'm not mistaken
[17:53] pyrotechnick: so the alternative is to thread bullet and then have the bindings call into it?
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[17:53] pyrotechnick: what does that involve?
[17:53] SubStack: have the methods register callbacks
[17:54] RevoOf: make bullet thread safe
[17:54] SubStack: to be called when the results are available
[17:54] SubStack: that too
[17:54] pyrotechnick: bullets threadsafe
[17:54] pyrotechnick: its threaded already
[17:54] RevoOf: makes it easier, if that is so
[17:54] pyrotechnick: well i mean
[17:54] SubStack: for something like bullet an eventemitter interface would be sweet
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[17:54] pyrotechnick: it can do multithreaded solving, im not sure if the entire library is, i imagine so
[17:55] pyrotechnick: bullet actually doesnt have as many moving parts as most people would think
[17:55] pyrotechnick: which is ironic
[17:55] pyrotechnick: considering what it does ^w^
[17:55] pyrotechnick: so let me get this straight
[17:56] RevoOf: did you allready look at some addon to get an idea of it?
[17:56] pyrotechnick: yes
[17:56] pyrotechnick: ive started
[17:56] pyrotechnick: like ive got
[17:57] pyrotechnick: bullet working
[17:57] pyrotechnick: in a node addon
[17:57] pyrotechnick: compiling and shit
[17:57] pyrotechnick: and doing a simulation
[17:57] pyrotechnick: and pushing it over a socket
[17:57] pyrotechnick: and moving an object in my webgl world
[17:57] pyrotechnick: to make the bindings async id have like a binding to btDefaultCollisionConfiguration method which makes a collision configuration which someone receives a callback when the bullet thread is done making the configuration?
[17:57] pyrotechnick: does that involve changing the code of bullet?
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[17:58] RevoOf: i dont think so
[17:59] pyrotechnick: so theres a way in node to asynchronously call some synchronous c++?
[17:59] pyrotechnick: provided there is threading going on
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[17:59] pyrotechnick: async bullet would be really cool
[18:00] AAA_awright: I think it uses a thread for DNS and such
[18:00] AAA_awright: What's bullet?
[18:00] pyrotechnick: a physics engine
[18:00] pyrotechnick: it's open-source, i happen to be a fan but some people are not
[18:00] AAA_awright: Well that's all processing so it wouldn't be async
[18:00] pyrotechnick: right
[18:00] pyrotechnick: so it just never makes sense to make it async?
[18:01] AAA_awright: Only for blocking operations, that is, operations that make the processor wait idle
[18:01] pyrotechnick: there are none
[18:01] AAA_awright: For a physics engine, right
[18:01] pyrotechnick: right
[18:01] pyrotechnick: so i just make bindings
[18:01] RevoOf: AAA_awright: say you have two cores ...
[18:01] pyrotechnick: 1-1
[18:02] AAA_awright: RevoOf: You can start a second Node.js process
[18:02] pyrotechnick: yeah bullet can be multithreaded does that change things?
[18:02] SubStack: but the js side of things can't do anything while the cpu is doing stuff
[18:02] AAA_awright: It sounds strange but that works for me and lots of other people
[18:02] pyrotechnick: yeah thats cool
[18:02] SubStack: making it multithreaded is best so your js context can respond to other bookkeeping type events
[18:02] pyrotechnick: it shudnt rly be doing anything while the physics is going
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[18:02] RevoOf: AAA_awright: yes, that would be the easiest way to create a binding
[18:02] pyrotechnick: SubStack: i think thats best done with multiple nodes
[18:02] AAA_awright: pyrotechnick: If it can multithread... hmm depends I guess, I don't think it should hurt anything
[18:03] AAA_awright: I mean at worst you just have an unoptimised process
[18:03] pyrotechnick: TBH we'd just rather have it work nicely and not be too much of a headache than blazingly fast
[18:04] pyrotechnick: if we have to throw some extra servers at the game because each chunk needs a dedicated physics engine that's fine, that's kind of the idea
[18:05] pyrotechnick: anyway everything so far is at github.com/feisty
[18:05] pyrotechnick: it's very much a WIP ATM but it will be very tidy by beta in march or so
[18:06] pyrotechnick: and i guess node-bullet will be up sometime later this week
[18:06] pyrotechnick: ill throw some devs at it
[18:06] pyrotechnick: thanks for your help RevoOf, AAA_awright, SubStack
[18:07] pyrotechnick: if you think of anything else let me know, i'm pyrotechnick on the social sites
[18:07] pyrotechnick: i might stick around in here more often
[18:07] pyrotechnick: it's alot more interested than the coffeescript room lol
[18:08] RevoOf: i'll have a look at what your doing - i played around with the idea to do pathfinding
[18:08] RevoOf: the choice is similar there - do in async or in a different process
[18:09] pyrotechnick: we'll need some hardcore pathfinding, haven't even opened that pandoras box yet
[18:09] pyrotechnick: if you seed something we might be able to contribute
[18:09] pyrotechnick: but AI is post beta so
[18:09] pyrotechnick: i cant promise we'll seed it by march
[18:09] RevoOf: and vice versa
[18:09] pyrotechnick: but definitely after that
[18:10] pyrotechnick: i can let you know we're using bullet
[18:10] RevoOf: for path finding?
[18:10] pyrotechnick: for our physics
[18:10] pyrotechnick: which means you can make alot of assumptions about how certain things are done in the game
[18:11] RevoOf: yes
[18:11] pyrotechnick: we have the luxury of using voxel worlds though
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[18:11] pyrotechnick: so it's a bit like cheat mode when it comes to things like pathfinding and that kind of thing
[18:12] pyrotechnick: there's no crazy mesh subdivision and possibility tests
[18:12] pyrotechnick: a voxel is occupied or vacant, that's it lol
[18:12] pyrotechnick: s/possibility/passability
[18:13] pyrotechnick: i was speaking to a guy who was doing some really good pathfinding in canvas and javascript
[18:13] pyrotechnick: but i've lost contact with him
[18:13] pyrotechnick: i think he was in here
[18:14] RevoOf: i wasn't the one :D
[18:15] pyrotechnick: it was pretty advanced stuff
[18:15] pyrotechnick: like arbitrary meshes, interpolated spline path things
[18:15] pyrotechnick: a combination of waypoints and navigation meshes which i thought was insane but apparently is awesome
[18:16] RevoOf: nothing you'd want to do from scratch normally
[18:16] pyrotechnick: i've done it a few times
[18:16] pyrotechnick: i did a bach of games and interactive entertainment here in brisbane, software tech major
[18:16] pyrotechnick: which involved about 4 robotics/AI subjects
[18:17] pyrotechnick: plenty of times i was assigned pathfinding lol
[18:17] pyrotechnick: like i said though it's just not super high on our priorities since we're trying to limit the amount of AI and have everyone perform each role, that's the idea anyway
[18:18] pyrotechnick: but like try to keep us posted if you make any progress we'd be keen to help and test
[18:19] Wizek: nodemon or supervisor?
[18:19] Wizek: I mean whic one is better?
[18:20] pyrotechnick: link me 
[18:20] pyrotechnick: got it
[18:20] pyrotechnick: IMO neither
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[18:21] pyrotechnick: i'd use something a little more well established
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[18:21] Wizek: pyrotechnick: like?
[18:21] pyrotechnick: monit
[18:21] RevoOf: upstart
[18:22] RevoOf: ^^
[18:22] pyrotechnick: yeah upstart is badass if your OS supports it
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[18:22] pyrotechnick: god isnt bad if u dont mind ruby
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[18:23] pyrotechnick: if ur just using it for dev then id go with the more hackable node ones u suggested
[18:23] pyrotechnick: but if you're actually using it in production
[18:23] pyrotechnick: i'd go for something a little more tried and tested
[18:24] pyrotechnick: it's something so simple though it probably ultimately doesn't matter
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[18:25] RevoOf: its something you would'nt want to spend much time with too
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[18:25] pyrotechnick: to actually answer your question though id go with supervisor
[18:25] pyrotechnick: isaacs wrote npm, he's clearly quite a talented developer
[18:25] aphelion: npm update consistently tells me that it could not contact DNS. is this a known issue or just me?
[18:26] pyrotechnick: just worked for me
[18:27] RevoOf: worked for me too
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[18:27] RevoOf: that does'nt mean anything though
[18:27] aphelion: http://pastie.org/1405173
[18:28] aphelion: like... these are hosts i can get to just fine
[18:28] aphelion: and the names resolve without issue
[18:28] aphelion: i can pop open the responses in a browser
[18:29] RevoOf: what does this say? dig registry.npms.org
[18:29] aphelion: registry.npms.org.	0	IN	A	67.215.65.132
[18:29] aphelion: it resolves without issue
[18:30] RevoOf: wierd
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[18:31] aphelion: i wonder if i can make it tell me -which- DNS servers it's failing to contact... local caching, airport extreme's, ISP's...
[18:31] aphelion: this happens with both stable npm and from-git npm
[18:32] aphelion: and before that, npm as installed by homebrew
[18:32] aphelion: before i saw the najillion bug reports having to do with homebrew-installed npm 0.o
[18:33] RevoOf: (afk for a while)
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[18:35] Imperion: I'm trying to use Sass with Express, but I can't get it to work with the newer SCSS syntax
[18:35] Imperion: any ideas?
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[18:40] pyrotechnick: Imperion: https://github.com/senchalabs/connect/blob/master/lib/connect/middleware/compiler.js
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[18:42] Imperion: ugh, great
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[18:46] pyrotechnick: im not sure sass.js can do scss
[18:46] pyrotechnick: what youll need to do is add a compiler which uses the sass gem
[18:47] pyrotechnick: or alternately
[18:47] pyrotechnick: just compile the sass with the sass gem separately from express
[18:47] pyrotechnick: compile it into public
[18:47] pyrotechnick: bypassing connects compilers altogether
[18:47] pyrotechnick: Imperion: ^^
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[18:48] Imperion: blech
[18:48] pyrotechnick: Imperion: it's not too hard
[18:49] Imperion: is it me or Less doesn't have var interpolation/concatenation?
[18:49] pyrotechnick: im not sure it does
[18:51] pyrotechnick: u cud wrap sass with a templating tool
[18:51] pyrotechnick: like eco if ur using coffee or handlbars or something
[18:53] Imperion: *shiver*
[18:54] pyrotechnick: honestly if sass is what u want
[18:54] pyrotechnick: just use the gem
[18:54] pyrotechnick: the gem can watch
[18:54] pyrotechnick: it's the same as connect doing it for you
[18:54] pyrotechnick: and then you're using _real_ sass
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[19:03] faust45: if i have Buffer can i create readable Stream?
[19:03] aphelion: Imperion: there are benefits to sass above and beyond what are provided in the sass gem or sass-a-like js lib. i'd highly suggest looking at compass, which wraps sass in a best practices library of mixins and functionality
[19:05] aphelion: Imperion: the current ruby version of sass is being broken out of the haml bundle, which when complete will also make it easier to port, standalone, the right way. *shrug*
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[19:24] Sonja: hullo Nodians
[19:24] pyrotechnick: wilkommen Sonja
[19:25] pyrotechnick: let's talk about c++ and bindings and stuff
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[19:30] Sonja: my prophets are eich, crockford, resig and ashkenas
[19:31] Imperion: er
[19:32] Sonja: i think i need to add dahl
[19:32] Imperion: why am I getting literal |'s when I try to add newlines to a multi-line block?
[19:32] Imperion: nvm
[19:32] Imperion: needed a space after
[19:33] Sonja: and catlin also
[19:35] aphelion: npm update is no longer giving me DNS errors, but now i'm getting "undefined log message"
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[19:38] herbySk: Sonja: I am bit outdated probably with Ingalls and Knight, am I not? Though I may add Crockford, as well.
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[20:08] traceback0: What types of applications does nodejs perform very well in?
[20:08] Sonja: the universe
[20:10] SubStack: servers
[20:11] Lorentz: Quitting irc
[20:12] Sonja: infinity
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[20:48] felixge: happy christmas
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[21:17] aphelion: what version of node are people generally using? stable 0.2.x or development 0.3.x?
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[21:19] felixge: aphelion: 0.2.x is recommended
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[22:08] Imperion: I have this in a Jade template: a(href="#{testobj.url}")
[22:08] Imperion: why is it spitting out the text which I specified there
[22:09] Imperion: and not the url property of testobj?
[22:09] SubStack: properties aren't interpolated
[22:09] SubStack: a(href=testobj.url)
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[22:10] SubStack: that is such a common thing
[22:10] SubStack: jade might as well interpolate properties
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[22:12] Imperion: blech
[22:12] Imperion: it works
[22:12] Imperion: yay
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[22:20] Jeffrey_: Is there anyway to break up .js files so 
[22:20] Jeffrey_: I don't have all my objects in one?
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[22:20] Jeffrey_: Is the only way using the exports functionality of the require system
[22:21] Jeffrey_: ?
[22:21] felixge: Jeffrey_: what's wrong with require?
[22:22] Jeffrey_: Nothing I was just wondering if there is another way?
[22:22] felixge: Jeffrey_: yes, there are other ways
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[22:22] Jeffrey_: What are they?
[22:22] felixge: Jeffrey_: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.3.2/api/vm.html
[22:23] felixge: Jeffrey_: or the short answer: The official way is to use require(), and anything else will be difficult
[22:24] Jeffrey_: Yeah so if I wanted to have objects in a objects.js file I could just do this in the objects.js file --- "exports.Color = function() { //Color stuff in here }"
[22:25] felixge: Jeffrey_: you can also do: module.exports = ...;
[22:25] felixge: which overwrites the exports object with an object of your choosing
[22:26] Jeffrey_: Oh alright cool. Thanks for your help.
[22:26] felixge: Jeffrey_: np : )
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[22:54] kkaefer: is there a http-retrievable list of available node version tags?
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[22:55] kkaefer: http://nodejs.org/dist/ maybe
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[22:58] AAA_awright: kkaefer: What about the Git repo?
[22:59] kkaefer: is there a way to retrieve a list from the git server via http?
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[23:00] Wizek: Why is that 302 allows the browser to display cached content without actually asking the server wheter the resource has been updated?
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[23:12] pHcF: Happy Easter!
[23:13] SubStack: merry labor day!
[23:13] SubStack: also halloween
[23:13] SubStack: 
ACTION points out that dec 25 == oct 31

[23:14] pHcF: :P
[23:14] SubStack: v8: 25..toString(8)
[23:14] v8bot: SubStack: "31"
[23:14] Lorentz: Why so nerdy for
[23:14] Lorentz: Seriously
[23:14] pHcF: hahahah
[23:14] pHcF: lol
[23:15] pHcF: v8: 30..toString(8)
[23:15] v8bot: pHcF: "36"
[23:15] SubStack: v8: 031
[23:15] v8bot: SubStack: 25
[23:15] pHcF: v8: typeof NaN
[23:15] v8bot: pHcF: "number"
[23:15] pHcF: LOL
[23:15] pHcF: not a number's type is "number"
[23:15] pHcF: lol
[23:16] SubStack: v8: parseInt(31, 8)
[23:16] v8bot: SubStack: 25
[23:16] SubStack: also that
[23:16] kkaefer: is there a sync version for "load this URL as a GET request into a buffer or string"?
[23:16] SubStack: 
ACTION is a bag of tricks

[23:16] kkaefer: (in node core)
[23:16] SubStack: kkaefer: no
[23:16] SubStack: and there never will be
[23:16] kkaefer: yeah, I understand why ;)
[23:16] kkaefer: just asking
[23:17] pHcF: SubStack: lol
[23:17] SubStack: unless some wise guy writes a c++ module to do that and throws it up on npm
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[23:17] SubStack: 
ACTION considers doing that if only do be contrarion

[23:17] SubStack: I will earn your scorn the hard way!
[23:17] pHcF: yeah, but this is totally out of node design patterns
[23:17] SubStack: yes
[23:17] kkaefer: well, it actually doesn't even have to be sync
[23:18] SubStack: well there you go
[23:18] kkaefer: just one function call
[23:18] SubStack: kkaefer: are the continuations getting too nested?
[23:18] kkaefer: nah, I'm writing a cli util and it's just annoying for a simple http request
[23:18] kkaefer: http://pastie.textmate.org/private/p9eyqavctbthn7y1akj7q
[23:18] SubStack: I know how that is
[23:19] SubStack: flow control libs to the rescue!
[23:19] pHcF: yeah, use step
[23:19] pHcF: (i like step :P)
[23:19] kkaefer: pHcF: it's a cli util intended for installing stuff like step :P
[23:20] pHcF: oh lol
[23:20] tilgovi: npm?
[23:20] pHcF: use step's code? :P
[23:20] kkaefer: tilgovi: it's based on npm, yes
[23:20] tilgovi: cool
[23:20] kkaefer: a hybrid of ndistro and nvm based on npm
[23:20] SubStack: I hate how the module wiki's topic intra-page links are all broken
[23:21] pHcF: v8:  3 > 2 > 1
[23:21] v8bot: pHcF: false
[23:21] SubStack: but I also can't be bothered
[23:21] pHcF: v8: 0 == "0"
[23:21] v8bot: pHcF: true
[23:22] linnk: Hey there :) I've written a very tiny, stupid web chat using web sockets (https://github.com/dansondergaard/baduw) and I'd like to do some kind of plugin system for the server-side (for example logging of messages).. How would you recommend doing this?
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[23:22] SubStack: plugin system?
[23:22] pHcF: linnk: well, i've been designing a plugin system to my blog engine in node.js (http://github.com/pedrofranceschi/blogode)
[23:22] SubStack: console.log not good enough for you? >:p
[23:23] linnk: SubStack: hehe :P It would be nice if I could initialize my chat server with a list of plugins that are then loaded and able to hook on to different events
[23:23] linnk: I don't think console.log does that
[23:24] linnk: pHcF: I'm having a look at it now, thanks :)
[23:24] pHcF: linnk: np
[23:24] pHcF: it's still in a very alpha state the plugin system
[23:25] pHcF: but at least is works async.
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[23:27] AAA_awright: pHcF: Is there some way to remove the npm dependency?
[23:28] pHcF: AAA_awright: from what?
[23:28] AAA_awright: I think it was https://github.com/pedrofranceschi/Blogode I've tried to install
[23:28] pHcF: well
[23:28] pHcF: you can
[23:29] AAA_awright: Well, yeah I mean
[23:29] pHcF: just copy all the dependencies from npm into a folder called dependencies :P
[23:29] pHcF: and recreate the requires :P
[23:29] AAA_awright: I'm having a hard time figuring out what Git repositories to check out and whatnot, I manage my .node_libraries with Git and lots of symlinks
[23:30] pHcF: hmm
[23:30] AAA_awright: A far _superior_ method of package management than npm is
[23:30] AAA_awright: er
[23:32] pHcF: AAA_awright: well, do you wanna use blogode for what?
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[23:32] AAA_awright: I'm checking out blog systems and stuff
[23:33] pHcF: oh
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[23:33] pHcF: i can send you a zip of blogode with no dependencies
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[23:36] AAA_awright: hmm
[23:36] maushu_: Could anyone grab Shoes and port it to node.js?
[23:37] frodenius: AAA_awright㇀ so, npm does the same thing, does it not?
[23:37] SubStack: maushu_: why not plain old webapps?
[23:37] maushu_: SubStack, desktop version of webapp.
[23:38] maushu_: That was my idea in trying to make a standalone chromium.
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[23:38] SubStack: I mean that html is simple enough to teach alongside a language
[23:38] AAA_awright: npm seems to use a mess of files that touches the require paths and recursively require()s the file... it's, eh
[23:39] SubStack: AAA_awright: it does that so you can have concurrent versions of libraries installed with dependencies
[23:40] AAA_awright: Git and symlinks do that too
[23:40] SubStack: because with other shittier package managers all your package versions need to be in agreement
[23:41] AAA_awright: I mean, having multiple installed versions is great, I love Portage for that
[23:41] SubStack: but with npm you can require bar@0.2.1 and baz@0.3, which depends on bar@0.1.6
[23:41] SubStack: and it all works
[23:42] SubStack: or at least, if it doesn't work this way then it should!
[23:42] maushu_: SubStack, what comes to mind is using a shortcut to run a node.js and start the default browser listening to the local ip.
[23:42] SubStack: but I'm pretty sure it does
[23:43] SubStack: maushu_: I don't think it's too dificult to copy/paste a url into a browser at the same time
[23:43] SubStack: I helped my little brother, 11, to build a webapp with node in august
[23:43] maushu_: SubStack, you might want to run the app locally.
[23:44] maushu_: Like access to the fs.
[23:44] SubStack: eh?
[23:44] SubStack: this is what I'm advocating
[23:44] SubStack: make a webapp locally
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[23:45] AAA_awright: pHcF: Also completely random question, what do you know about RDF?
[23:46] pHcF: AAA_awright: almost nothing :/
[23:46] AAA_awright: Cool thanks
[23:47] pHcF: lol
[23:47] pHcF: np
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[23:55] AAA_awright: My library is structured like "git checkout package package.src@branch; ln -s package.js package.src@branch/lib/index.js ln -s package@branch package.src@branch/lib/; ln -s package package@branch" where src="src". Well not completely but that works, and it's what npm should be using wherever possible. Maybe I'll end up writing my own module manager for what I'm doing who knows.
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[23:56] AAA_awright: Hmm packages should be shipping with index.js files already, wherever possible...
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