[00:01] estrathmeyer: tjholowaychuk: so that's a resounding "don't do it"?
[00:01] tjholowaychuk: IMO yeah
[00:01] estrathmeyer: k.
[00:01] estrathmeyer: cloudhead ever com in here?
[00:01] estrathmeyer: *come
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[00:03] mscdex: estrathmeyer: yeah
[00:04] estrathmeyer: Hmm... maybe I can write a shell script to watch for file changes and run vows.
[00:05] estrathmeyer: or just run it my damn self.   (It's amazing how much effort I'll expend in order to theoretically save myself time.)
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[00:07] mraleph: ryah: what kind of debugger? :-)
[00:08] ryah: mraleph: a console client for v8's debugger
[00:08] ryah: (built into node)
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[00:10] mraleph: kinda d8
[00:10] ryah: yeah
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[00:14] KeyboardWarrior: Is there a way to embed server-side JS in an HTML file?
[00:14] KeyboardWarrior: Like, <?js
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[00:14] tjholowaychuk: KeyboardWarrior: http://github.com/visionmedia/ejs
[00:15] KeyboardWarrior: cool
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[00:20] estrathmeyer: thanks all!
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[00:29] jamescarr: lol
[00:29] jamescarr: Skylar Torbett, also a junior, said administrators told him, "They said the candy canes are weapons because you can sharpen them with your mouth and stab people with them." He said neither he nor any of their friend did that.
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[00:31] KeyboardWarrior: jamescarr: And where does node.js come into this?
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[00:32] jamescarr: Skyler is a hardcore node.js developer :)
[00:32] jamescarr: nothing, I just think it's funny as hell
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[00:33] KeyboardWarrior: Madonna is a weapon because she makes me hot
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[00:36] Validatorian: do we have a last-seen bot in this channel?
[00:36] Validatorian: suppose I could grep the logs
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[00:40] mexis: hey
[00:40] mexis: is there any way to do prototypes with exports?
[00:40] mexis: i have been monkeying with it cant figure it out
[00:41] mscdex: what do you mean?
[00:41] mexis: i want a global prototype
[00:41] mexis: and i cant figure out to require(<my lib>) and have the prototypes global
[00:42] mexis: so if you do: exports.myfunct = myfunct = function() { }, myfunc would beable to be access from any file as myfunct
[00:43] mexis: i wanna do that with prototypes
[00:43] mexis: =P
[00:43] mexis: without writing a native lib
[00:44] mexis: node.js is pretty awsome i just started playing with it over the weeekend
[00:44] mexis: damn i suck at typing
[00:45] r00s: mexis: a global prototype? like Object.prototype?
[00:46] mexis: yes
[00:46] mexis: like array.prototype.each = function (value) {
[00:46] mexis: }
[00:47] mexis: i was reading you can do it with native extensions, but cant find any info on it what so ever
[00:47] r00s: you could just write a function that adds stuff to Object.prototype, and then run that
[00:47] r00s: but i don't think it's a good idea to add stuff to Object.prototype or Array.prototype
[00:48] mexis: whys that?
[00:48] mexis: just curious
[00:48] r00s: (1) other libraries might do so as well, and then the function names collide
[00:49] r00s: (2) if you iterate over all stuff in an object, you'll get the new functions as well
[00:49] mexis: well
[00:49] mexis: i am going for a "framework" i guess
[00:49] mexis: so i dont care about other libs
[00:49] mexis: =P
[00:50] mexis: wow did i over think that
[00:51] mexis: i didnt realize i could just do Array.prototype.function and it would be global
[00:51] mexis: i had no idea that node would allow that. thats what i get for not trying i guess =P 
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[00:55] r00s: mexis: i sometimes use for...in on objects, and adding stuff to Object.prototype would make that more complicated
[00:56] r00s: because if i don't take care, i'd also get that function i added in my for loop
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[00:57] Figaroo: Is there something like GD for dealing with images in node.js?
[00:58] mexis: um
[00:58] tjholowaychuk: Figaroo: http://github.com/learnboost/node-canvas
[00:58] tjholowaychuk: Figaroo: https://github.com/aheckmann/gm
[00:59] Figaroo: how does C play with JS in node?
[00:59] mexis: pretty well from what i understand
[01:00] mexis: you gotta compile it as a native extension
[01:00] mexis: from what i undestand
[01:00] mexis: use the v8 headers
[01:00] Figaroo: so node.js has an extension system?
[01:00] tjholowaychuk: Figaroo: yup
[01:00] mexis: here
[01:00] tjholowaychuk: a node "addon"
[01:00] mexis: ill show you the url
[01:00] Figaroo: k
[01:01] tjholowaychuk: Figaroo: its a dynamic library
[01:01] Figaroo: dll?
[01:01] tjholowaychuk: the ".node" is just for being fancy
[01:01] Figaroo: so it's really a .dll?
[01:01] Tuckerberg: The extension is js
[01:01] Tuckerberg: no
[01:01] mexis: https://www.cloudkick.com/blog/2010/aug/23/writing-nodejs-native-extensions/
[01:01] mexis: there you go
[01:01] mexis: theres some blogs too if you google
[01:02] Figaroo: thanks mexis
[01:02] Figaroo: so could you port existing C libraries to node?
[01:02] mexis: no idea
[01:02] mexis: read the article
[01:02] mexis: i am sure you could
[01:02] tjholowaychuk: Figaroo: yup
[01:02] tjholowaychuk: well not really a port
[01:03] tjholowaychuk: if you are using the library
[01:03] tjholowaychuk: you write bindings for them yeah
[01:03] Figaroo: js bindings to them?
[01:03] tjholowaychuk: yeah. for example node-canvas implements the canvas api through a bunch of custom c++ and bindings for http://cairographics.org/
[01:03] tjholowaychuk: libcairo
[01:04] mexis: seee
[01:04] mexis: thats pretty fucking awesome
[01:04] Figaroo: so node's js code is pretty close to the actual binaries of the framework
[01:04] Tuckerberg: madonna.com uses node.js
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[01:05] Figaroo: you sure tuckerberg?
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[01:05] Figaroo: Why would madonna.com use node?
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[01:07] Tuckerberg: Because Madonna likes Javascript and asynhroneous programming
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[01:07] tjholowaychuk: haha
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[01:10] Figaroo: madonna's a nerd?
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[01:17] sh1mmer: mape: ping
[01:18] sh1mmer: mape: npm install profile is failing on a fresh install of node master
[01:20] Tuckerberg: Madonna is a nerd: http://richardcormanstore.com/images/products/131/79532-591.jpg?1266870199
[01:20] Tuckerberg: wtf happened ot the cars
[01:20] Tuckerberg: They look like 1900 cars
[01:21] yozlet: I don't know that she likes Javascript though. I think she's more Into The Groovy.
[01:22] yozlet: *tumbleweed*
[01:23] Tuckerberg: She has a nice tumbeweed
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[01:48] timemachine3030: how do I coerce `node-waf build` find my header files in ~/local ?
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[01:50] JojoBoss: Anyone in here that uses express and knows how to use partials in views?
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[01:51] JojoBoss: I could use a simple example as the documentation mentions them, but doesnt give a great example of how to make use of them.
[01:52] tjholowaychuk: JojoBoss: look at the examples in the repo
[01:52] tjholowaychuk: 1.x if you are using it from npm
[01:52] JojoBoss: k.
[01:52] tjholowaychuk: or master if from the git repo or tarball
[01:53] tjholowaychuk: JojoBoss: ./examples/ejs or ./examples/jade should help a bit
[01:53] tjholowaychuk: let me know if you have questions
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[01:53] JojoBoss: thanks. looking into it now
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[02:06] zeroonea: anyone built node on windows?
[02:08] mscdex: zeroonea: it's only available through cygwin at the moment
[02:08] tjholowaychuk: 
ACTION looks forward to this new debugger ryan is working on

[02:09] pHcF: how can i use assert.response with my var app = express.createServer() blah?
[02:09] pHcF: in expresso, i mean
[02:09] tjholowaychuk: pHcF: export your app
[02:09] tjholowaychuk: var app = module.exports = ...
[02:09] pHcF: ohh
[02:10] pHcF: i'll need to export all the modules?
[02:10] tjholowaychuk: no
[02:10] tjholowaychuk: just what you want to test
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[02:11] pHcF: i have the things i wanna test in a controller folder
[02:12] pHcF: i mean, i have a app.get('/', adminController.myAction);
[02:12] tjholowaychuk: assert.response() works with the http server
[02:12] tjholowaychuk: no mocking
[02:13] tjholowaychuk: so you want to just export the app
[02:13] zeroonea: What I will get after build node.js on windows with cygwin? node.exe file?
[02:13] gkatsev: anyone thought about making a podcatcher in node?
[02:14] pHcF: tjholowaychuk: is there any example?
[02:15] tjholowaychuk: pHcF: just export it like I showed you lol and do assert.response(app, { request stuff }, { response assertion stuff })
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[02:17] pHcF: tjholowaychuk: TypeError: Cannot call method 'request' of undefined
[02:17] pHcF: :/
[02:19] zeroonea: where I can get node.js windows binary?
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[02:23] gkatsev: zeroonea: you can't have a windows binary of node.js, you can only use it within cygwin.
[02:23] gkatsev: (if you can get it working there, I've had trouble)
[02:24] mscdex: gkatsev: what trouble?
[02:25] gkatsev: mscdex: I don't remember. Doesn't matter anymore. I used an ubuntu VM instead and now I switched back to linux as my OS, so, it's all good.
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[02:29] zeroonea: http://node-js.prcn.co.cc
[02:29] Tuckerberg: Is it okay to use JSP for some things?
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[02:40] JojoBoss: tjholowaychuk: can you use the partials in a layout like includes, so for like a sidebar or menu to seperate it out? in EJS
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[02:41] tjholowaychuk: JojoBoss: yup you could
[02:42] tjholowaychuk: literal includes would be better for that, but neither ejs nor jade have that ATM
[02:43] JojoBoss: tjholowaychuk: with that being the case, would there be a reason that using it like that would duplicate a partial 5 times when being provided a string as the variable
[02:43] tjholowaychuk: what??
[02:43] tjholowaychuk: oh
[02:43] tjholowaychuk: well what is your partial() call like?
[02:44] JojoBoss: I come from a PHP background and like seperating things out like sidebars and whatnot.
[02:44] JojoBoss: just a sec. ill grab it
[02:44] JojoBoss: <%- partial('login.html', login) %>
[02:44] tjholowaychuk: what is login
[02:44] JojoBoss: right now i'm just testing a login form
[02:45] tjholowaychuk: ?
[02:45] JojoBoss: res.render(page+'.html', { locals: { site: siteVars, login: "test" } });
[02:46] tjholowaychuk: well passing a string to parial() wont do any good
[02:46] tjholowaychuk: partial*
[02:46] JojoBoss: i'm not using the variable at all in the partial
[02:46] tjholowaychuk: good because that doesnt work :p
[02:46] JojoBoss: i just want to use it like an include
[02:46] JojoBoss: okay
[02:46] JojoBoss: hehe
[02:46] JojoBoss: that would explain a lot
[02:47] tjholowaychuk: partial accepts an array, which will iterate each value and call the partial in context to that value
[02:47] JojoBoss: although it is actually including the login.html, but including it 5 times
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[02:47] tjholowaychuk: so a list of comments might be <%- partial('comment', comments) %>
[02:47] tjholowaychuk: yeah
[02:47] tjholowaychuk: because it has a .length
[02:47] tjholowaychuk: so express is trying to iterate it
[02:47] JojoBoss: k
[02:47] tjholowaychuk: as a collection
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[02:47] JojoBoss: so partial is not intend for my use case
[02:48] tjholowaychuk: if you want to pass locals use partial('header', { locals: { title: 'My Site' }})
[02:48] tjholowaychuk: etc
[02:48] JojoBoss: i dont really care to pass anything right now. but it 500 errored out without it
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[02:48] tjholowaychuk: but the partials inherit locals from the parent view, so render(...., { locals: { title: 'foo' }}) will work
[02:49] tjholowaychuk: JojoBoss: did it?
[02:49] tjholowaychuk: might be a bug then
[02:49] tjholowaychuk: one sec
[02:49] tjholowaychuk: bit of a silly bug
[02:49] tjholowaychuk: maybe partial() with on a string should be a literal include
[02:49] tjholowaychuk: only*
[02:50] JojoBoss: now it is working
[02:50] JojoBoss: without the error
[02:50] JojoBoss: maybe I typo'd something
[02:51] tjholowaychuk: oh ok fewf haha
[02:51] JojoBoss: k. yeah. its working now. I must have made a typo
[02:51] tjholowaychuk: depending on what you are doing you can omit .html too btw
[02:52] JojoBoss: yeah, i'm gonna try to do that.
[02:52] JojoBoss: This is really my first real project i'm working on with node, other then just testing stuff
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[02:53] JojoBoss: so still testing and learning basiacally
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[02:57] zeroonea: I'm installed node.js in shared dreamhost. Then how I could run my first server?
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[03:15] CIA-93: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07debugger * r4227e9d 10/ src/node.cc : process.kill coerces args to integers - http://bit.ly/f0qaPq
[03:15] CIA-93: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07debugger * r2ab9a28 10/ src/node.cc : start debug agent on SIGUSR1 - http://bit.ly/i8j7GT
[03:15] CIA-93: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07debugger * rdc2669f 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[03:15] CIA-93: node: Add beginning of build-in debugger
[03:15] CIA-93: node: + test-debugger-client (which is currently broken) - http://bit.ly/eoIFdt
[03:16] CIA-93: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r4227e9d 10/ src/node.cc : process.kill coerces args to integers - http://bit.ly/f0qaPq
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[03:27] endian: there are a lot of GitHub issues open... and even some where the problem's been fixed
[03:27] endian: e.g. https://github.com/ry/node/issues#issue/224 https://github.com/ry/node/issues/issue/240
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[04:19] brianc: zeroonea: you can't run a node server on shared dreamhost
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[04:21] brianc: aaaand you're not even in the room anymore so it doesn't matter
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[04:25] spoobie: phew, why is WebDAV so hard...
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[04:25] JojoBoss: ls
[04:25] JojoBoss: oops. hehe
[04:26] JojoBoss: wrong window
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[04:29] JojoBoss: anybody use the mailer module?
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[04:41] spoobie: nope, looks like jsDAV doesn't work with OS X finder. Segmentation fault?
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[04:53] SubStack: new (forever.Forever) makes me wince :/
[04:54] brianc: should have been forever.Ever
[04:54] brianc: new(forever.Ever?foreverEver:forever).sorryMissJackson();
[04:54] SubStack: module.exports ftw
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[04:57] sechrist: throw Err("OOOOO, I am fo reeeeel");
[04:58] sechrist: Can Forever be easily made to replace upstart
[04:58] sechrist: and monit
[04:58] sechrist: and runit
[04:58] sechrist: and traditional /etc/init.d scripts
[04:59] SubStack: maybe
[04:59] SubStack: I'm using it to automate cross-server deployment
[04:59] sechrist: deployment or running services?
[04:59] sechrist: I've been using chef and I'm quite pleased
[04:59] SubStack: yes
[04:59] sechrist: though a node-based chef would kickass
[05:00] sechrist: I hate ruby
[05:00] SubStack: the hell does chef do
[05:00] SubStack: reading the readme, it just tells you about contributing
[05:01] brianc: why do you hate ruby? (just wondering, not trying to start a holy war)
[05:01] Aria: Ruby rocks. Shame about its user-base lately though.
[05:01] SubStack: ruby is ok
[05:01] brianc: what happened to it's user-base lately?
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[05:02] SubStack: it has some good ideas and some not-so-good ones
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[05:02] brianc: victim of it's own success?
[05:02] SubStack: I don't like it's scoping model very much
[05:02] brianc: it's too slow for my liking
[05:02] Aria: Lots and lots and lots of 'clever' libraries, and then things built with said clever libraries.
[05:02] SubStack: but expressions that return values is a good idea
[05:02] Aria: It's built like a house of cards often.
[05:02] SubStack: and blocks are pretty great, even if the semantics are a bit inconsistent
[05:02] brianc: "rake test" on a new macbook pro with a start up rails 3 app takes 5-10 seconds to execute.
[05:02] SubStack: oh hell, s/it's/its/
[05:02] SubStack: >_<
[05:03] Aria: Well, that's rails, which is a HUGE stack.
[05:03] Aria: Ruby itself is plenty fast.
[05:03] brianc: i know, still anoooooys me
[05:03] SubStack: I do dislike rails
[05:03] estrathmeyer: Puppet, Chef and Capistrano all let you run scripts on multiple servers simultaneously. They're mostly used for for server deploys.  (caveat: I haven't used them myself.)
[05:03] Aria: Yeah, that pile is a bit steaming. Much improved lately, but .. .still smells.
[05:04] SubStack: estrathmeyer: can you see aggregated live log updates?
[05:04] brianc: anyone here use emacs?
[05:04] estrathmeyer: damned if I know!  o_0
[05:04] SubStack: what I am writing is all about that feature
[05:06] sechrist: I don't understand ruby syntax
[05:06] sechrist: I relate more with python
[05:06] sechrist: and I learned python after nodejs came around, so I don't really care about it either
[05:06] sechrist: defined? blah = O.o
[05:06] Aria: 
ACTION laughs.

[05:06] SubStack: I like ruby syntax for the most part
[05:06] Aria: I dig Ruby syntax, but not when people abuse it to create new mini-languages.
[05:07] estrathmeyer: SubStack: check this out...
[05:07] Aria: defined? is weird though, being a language construct.
[05:07] estrathmeyer: http://snippets.dzone.com/posts/show/2484
[05:07] estrathmeyer: Tail Multiple Log Files At Once With Capistrano
[05:07] sechrist: we have splunk here
[05:07] aurynn: If you're going to create a new language, please write a full language
[05:07] sechrist: splunk is pretty baller stuff
[05:07] sechrist: well chef's dsl isn't really a dsl
[05:07] sechrist: it's full ruby
[05:07] sechrist: unlike puppet
[05:07] SubStack: estrathmeyer: does that run over multiple hosts?
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[05:08] estrathmeyer: not 100% sure
[05:08] sechrist: chef and knife is quite powerful
[05:08] estrathmeyer: it could mean "tails mult logs on one machine"
[05:08] sechrist: and there's a community behind it
[05:08] SubStack: communities ruin everything
[05:08] SubStack: YOU HEARD ME
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[05:09] SubStack: good thing node is still small
[05:09] sechrist: in addition to a community, they have a real company behind it, opscode
[05:09] estrathmeyer: haha
[05:09] estrathmeyer: I'm asking over in #chef
[05:09] sechrist: I learned ruby to write chef recipes, and I'm very pleased
[05:10] sechrist: the whole architecture is pretty cool
[05:10] sechrist: you execute non-blocking code that queues up events that get 'converged' into a run queue after the recipe runs on your nodes
[05:10] estrathmeyer: <btm> estrathmeyer: knife ssh role:whatever-www "tail -F /var/log/apache2/access.log"
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[05:10] sechrist: that's shitty
[05:11] sechrist: if you need consolidated logging, why aren't you using syslogd
[05:11] estrathmeyer: don't shoot the messanger! ;)
[05:11] SubStack: system logs suck
[05:11] sechrist: there's more efficient syslogd implementations now, but people have been consolidating logs amongst a lot of nodes for like 30 years
[05:11] SubStack: I want to see that shit /live/
[05:11] SubStack: I don't even care if it gets saved
[05:12] sechrist: why would you want to see a syslog live
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[05:12] sechrist: you would want to see nagios/icinga / cacti / munin live
[05:12] SubStack: sechrist: because I want to see what my processes are doing
[05:12] SubStack: and they run on lots of servers
[05:12] mattcodes: looking at various example, is it an antipattern to pass arguments with require('module')
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[05:12] sechrist: SubStack: do you have anything like nagios deployed?
[05:13] SubStack: no
[05:13] SubStack: nagios sucks too
[05:13] SubStack: everything sucks
[05:13] estrathmeyer: mattcodes: what do you mean?
[05:13] sechrist: icinga is pretty cool
[05:13] SubStack: I want something tiny
[05:13] sechrist: but it's pretty much an evolution of nagios
[05:13] sechrist: that's what she said
[05:13] SubStack: "enterprise grade" is a major turn-off
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[05:13] estrathmeyer: mattcodes: most examples I've seen use   var moduleName = require('moduleName');
[05:13] sechrist: I don't know if I agree with you or you're just trolling
[05:13] sechrist: 
ACTION laughs

[05:14] sechrist: SubStack: go look at Esper, and tell me enterprise-grade stuff sucks
[05:14] sechrist: I was sold on using java for that one piece of software for one use-case we have
[05:14] estrathmeyer: 
ACTION hates on The Man.

[05:14] SubStack: wall of text
[05:14] SubStack: I'm not going to read that
[05:14] SubStack: it doesn't even have any code on it
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[05:15] sechrist: basically think of this machine
[05:15] sechrist: where you pump in events
[05:15] sechrist: and tell it SQL-like queries, but constant "When cpuLoad > 50% for 10 minutes" etc
[05:15] SubStack: that sounds terrible
[05:16] sechrist: it's kickass
[05:16] estrathmeyer: select avg(price) from StockTickEvent.win:time(30 sec) 
[05:16] sechrist: that's a shitty example
[05:16] estrathmeyer: haha
[05:16] estrathmeyer: it's the first they give on http://esper.codehaus.org/tutorials/tutorial/tutorial.html
[05:16] DanielSim: ha, what a great time to bring this window to the front
[05:16] SubStack: I hate SQL queries
[05:16] estrathmeyer: select fraud.accountNumber as accntNum, fraud.warning as warn, withdraw.amount as amount,
[05:16] estrathmeyer:         MAX(fraud.timestamp, withdraw.timestamp) as timestamp, 'withdrawlFraud' as desc
[05:16] estrathmeyer: from FraudWarningEvent.win:time(30 min) as fraud,
[05:16] estrathmeyer:         WithdrawalEvent.win:time(30 sec) as withdraw
[05:16] estrathmeyer: where fraud.accountNumber = withdraw.accountNumber
[05:16] sechrist: setInterval(function(){ giveMeAvg(); },30);
[05:17] sechrist: I agree that a CEP/ESP would be better written in Node.JS, but it's enterprise-grade stuff that nobody has written yet
[05:17] sechrist: it should be though imo
[05:17] SubStack: I'll just write this program that solves my own problems
[05:17] sechrist: good man
[05:17] sechrist: when your cloud has cascading failure, read up on how everybody with experience does infrastructure management
[05:18] sechrist: and SLA guarantees 
[05:18] SubStack: I don't have the money for that.
[05:18] sechrist: joke company
[05:18] sechrist: oh my god, blendtec blended a cr-48
[05:18] sechrist: those bastards
[05:19] sechrist: ChromeOS should be NodeOS imo
[05:19] SubStack: webos is
[05:20] sechrist: that only runs on a dying platform
[05:20] SubStack: sechrist: scrappy startups have different priorities
[05:21] sechrist: actually if I could run webos on other hardware I might use it
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[05:35] mexis: i dont like the cr-48 honestly 
[05:35] mexis: lol
[05:35] mexis: its a sweet machine
[05:35] mexis: but i aint huge into the os
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[05:39] sechrist: SubStack: so with optimist, how can I differentiate from node foo.js --foo -foo foo ?
[05:41] SubStack: differentiate?
[05:41] sechrist: ya
[05:41] SubStack: that reduces do { foo : true, f : true, o : [ true, 'foo' ] }
[05:41] SubStack: *to
[05:42] SubStack: it groups single letter options
[05:42] sechrist: where did I declare f?
[05:42] sechrist: O.o
[05:42] SubStack: -f
[05:42] sechrist: oid
[05:42] sechrist: oic*
[05:42] sechrist: like mysql -ppassword
[05:42] sechrist: wait no
[05:42] SubStack: no
[05:42] SubStack: like tar -xzf file.tar.gz
[05:43] sechrist: ah
[05:45] SubStack: sechrist: I'm still not sure what you mean by differentiate
[05:45] sechrist: the way I understood the docs was wrong
[05:46] sechrist: so ignore me
[05:46] SubStack: k
[05:47] SubStack: this is annoying
[05:47] SubStack: "You can use forever to run any kind of script continuously (whether it is written in node.js or not)"
[05:47] SubStack: but then https://github.com/indexzero/forever/blob/master/lib/forever.js#L356 
[05:48] gkatsev: is it a good thing or a bad thing that I memorized the url to the modules page of node's wiki?
[05:49] gkatsev: I'm leaning towards good but wanted a second opinion
[05:49] SubStack: gkatsev: npm ls is better
[05:49] brianc: gkatsev: welcome to the club but I agree with SubStack 
[05:49] SubStack: also there's http://search.npmjs.org/ and http://npm.mape.me/ 
[05:49] mape: Soon to be one :)
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[05:50] gkatsev: SubStack: cool, thanks.
[05:51] brianc: Brian Eno pandora station is awesooooome
[05:51] SubStack: mape: \o/
[05:51] gkatsev: brianc: have you heard of the app pianobar? It's a terminal-based app for pandora.
[05:52] brianc: gkatsev: nice. I just have my iphone plugged into my room stereo right now but I will check it out
[05:52] gkatsev: apt-get install pianobar
[05:52] brianc: gkatsev: iphone pandora app not too shabby
[05:53] gkatsev: yeah
[05:53] gkatsev: better than the online/pandora one apps
[05:53] brianc: nice it's in homebrew
[05:53] SubStack: 
ACTION created an issue for forever

[05:53] SubStack: I'll tackle this myself if I make some progress with this other stuff
[05:54] brianc: installing now. :)
[05:54] gkatsev: :)
[05:55] gkatsev: it was yet another reason that compelled me to switch back to linux as my main desktop
[05:55] gkatsev: though, I am annoyed that I cannot get adobe air working since I am addicted to tweetdeck
[05:55] brianc: switch from what to linux?
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[05:55] sechrist: ok I am kind of in love with htracr
[05:56] gkatsev: brianc: I was using windows 7 on my desktop
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[05:57] gkatsev: brianc: because when I originally got this desktop the driver for the wifi card didn't work as the drivers built-in were old and building the new ones didn't work. Also, I wanted my second monitor to be portrait mode (though, I settled for that)
[05:58] gkatsev: brianc: before I was running portable ubuntu on windows which uses co-linux to run linux as a service on windows, kind of like wine. But when I tried to install node on it, it totally crapped out.
[05:58] gkatsev: and a VM is clunky
[05:58] mjr_: gkatsev: thanks for the non-node tip on pianobar.  Glad to get rid of more Flash on my computer.
[05:58] gkatsev: mjr_: :)
[05:58] brianc: gkatsev: just installed pianobar. loving it.
[05:59] gkatsev: isn't it awesome?
[05:59] gkatsev: the only down side is you have to store the password in cleartext if you want it to autologin
[06:00] gkatsev: now I need to figure out how to ssh into this machine
[06:00] sechrist: hmm I'm curious how I should deploy node3 on my machines
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[06:01] sechrist:  I want to write code for node3 but node3 has a new release every few days
[06:01] sechrist: that will piss the ops guys off
[06:01] gkatsev: node 0.3.x?
[06:01] gkatsev: that is also the unstable branch.
[06:01] brianc: sechrist: nave?
[06:01] sechrist: unstable schamble
[06:01] sechrist: I haven't seen it crash
[06:01] sechrist: I run haproxy unstable
[06:01] sechrist: which is quite stable
[06:02] gkatsev: sechrist: well, it might be stable but it still the 'unstable' branch :)
[06:02] sechrist: but I don't want to write a bunch of node2 code and port it later
[06:02] gkatsev: does the api change much?
[06:02] brianc: Somebody hit my webserver with 25,000 requests while I wasn't looking.  It's a 512 linode running node 3.1 & node-postgres (explodemy.com) and it didn't crash.
[06:03] sechrist: 25,000 over how long of time?
[06:03] mjr_: The API doesn't change much, but differences do creep in.
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[06:03] sechrist: that's the whole point of the major rev in node , iirc
[06:03] sechrist: api changes
[06:04] sechrist: brianc: oooh, you were showing off a postgres plugin
[06:04] mjr_: I've been living on the edge and developing against node 0.3.x for the past few months.  So far, I've been happy with that choice.
[06:04] sechrist: somebody decided to abench you? :P
[06:04] Aria: Yea, but they're still not big changes.
[06:04] brianc: sechrist: I think so, though there was actually no user-agent information in the requests
[06:04] Aria: Some change to the refiring of events, emitter.once vs disarming inside.
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[06:05] sechrist: stable is getting most of the breaking changes it appears
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[06:05] sechrist: like utils being aliased etc
[06:05] brianc: sechrist: but still good to know the ol' postgres plugin withstood the pressure.  and irssi didn't even disconnect!
[06:05] sechrist: the client of the future!
[06:06] brianc: man this pianobar is really nice
[06:06] brianc: "?" gives you a list of commands, fyi
[06:06] gkatsev: yep
[06:07] sechrist: CLI for pandora?
[06:07] sechrist: oh my
[06:07] gkatsev: sechrist: yep
[06:07] sechrist: screw pandora
[06:07] gkatsev: brianc: do 'man pianobar' to see how to set up the config file for autologin
[06:07] brianc: and bonus points (??) it's written in C
[06:07] sechrist: grooveshark is where it's at
[06:07] gkatsev: brianc: we should port it to node, lol
[06:07] brianc: gkatsev: haha
[06:07] sechrist: gkatsev: if you do, write a reusable cli library out of it
[06:07] gkatsev: actually, I want to write a cli podcatcher in node.
[06:08] sechrist: there isn't one -- I've been planning one for my elusive spare time now for weeks
[06:08] gkatsev: sechrist: write a podcatcher?
[06:08] sechrist: no, reusable cli library
[06:08] sechrist: var blah = new CLI("npm>");
[06:08] gkatsev: ah
[06:09] gkatsev: what about node-repl?
[06:09] sechrist: not reusable for shite
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[06:09] gkatsev: ok
[06:09] sechrist: it's readline is likely fine
[06:09] sechrist: but the actual repl.js isn't very useful
[06:09] sechrist: for other projects
[06:10] gkatsev: ok
[06:11] gkatsev: haven't really done as much as I'd like with node
[06:11] gkatsev: but have vacation next week
[06:11] mjr_: sechrist: you can even combine pianobar with htracr to explore the pandora protocol
[06:11] mjr_: Which is HTTP
[06:12] gkatsev: so, I hope to get my website in it and then work on the podcatcher idea
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[06:13] sechrist: I'd rather explore grooveshark's protocol
[06:14] sechrist: itunes extension to play the full version of songs you find in itunes store in pandora = win
[06:15] sechrist: actually some nodejs stuff to hack on with airplay would be interesting
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[07:07] mjr_: linac: res.on("drain", function () { // do something });
[07:08] linac: mjr_, does it work on ssl link?
[07:08] mjr_: I dunno, I've never tried
[07:08] mjr_: SSL has a number of known issues.
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[07:14] emgee: ...
[07:14] emgee: mape: ... :)
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[07:14] mape: emgee: :)
[07:15] emgee: too close for a line.. :/
[07:16] mape: Jup, no good for close proximity fun
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[07:18] emgee: make the missiles go around abit before going back then!
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[07:29] SubStack: silly vows
[07:29] SubStack: oh wait it is just this lib
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[07:32] SubStack: wait why is options an array? O_O
[07:33] SubStack: meh seems to work
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[08:32] [AD]Turbo: yo all
[08:33] stride: hey
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[08:40] SubStack: wheee pull requests
[08:40] pquerna: http://www.godaddy.com/hosting/mac-hosting.aspx?ci=18037
[08:41] SubStack: pquerna: :D
[08:42] SubStack: pquerna: this makes me very happy
[08:42] pquerna: cloud macminis?
[08:43] SubStack: 
ACTION can host browsers out of that

[08:43] pquerna: oh
[08:43] pquerna: i guess
[08:43] pquerna: aren't there places that spec in that?
[08:43] pquerna: i've used browsermob, liked it
[08:44] pquerna: but it was only FF clones
[08:44] pquerna: and it didn't work with orbited/longpolling
[08:44] SubStack: http://browserling.com/ 
[08:44] SubStack: my startup
[08:45] pquerna: oh awesome
[08:45] pquerna: i'll send the frontend people that way :)
[08:45] SubStack: super!
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[08:45] SubStack: it's getting more stable
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[08:46] SubStack: once we switch over the hosting it should be a hell of a lot faster too
[08:46] SubStack: we're already running across on 3 providers
[08:46] SubStack: just now getting to the geographic load balancing phase
[08:47] SubStack: and I'm writing a system to manage the instances in a less insane way
[08:47] pquerna: libcloud :) ?
[08:48] CIA-93: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07debugger * r4f8dbf2 10/ (lib/_debugger.js test/simple/test-debugger-client.js): Fix test-debugger-client - http://bit.ly/hNXgMX
[08:48] CIA-93: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07debugger * rdf9ec97 10/ lib/_debugger.js : keep track of current frame. eval works for global scope - http://bit.ly/g6wyMU
[08:49] SubStack: ah very nice
[08:49] SubStack: could be useful
[08:49] pquerna: i;ve been thinking about makking a node version, but.. doesn't gernetae much value
[08:49] pquerna: and ssl would need to work first really
[08:50] SubStack: anyhow this latest thing is called telescreen
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[08:51] SubStack: it aggregates and filters stderr and stdout from all your processes running on all your systems
[08:51] SubStack: and then I'll have it be able to start, stop, and restart services through forever
[08:51] pquerna: cool
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[08:52] pquerna: lots of cool things you can do with it
[08:52] pquerna: like build in a node-pcap/htracer url for every session
[08:55] SubStack: I can just finish up dnode-python to use libcloud
[08:55] SubStack: or jesusabdullah can! >:D
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[09:00] seth_: When I try and compile nodejs (versions v0.2.5 and v0.3.2) on cygwin according to instructions I get the following error when I run make (configure runs fine, gcc is version 4.3.4):
[09:00] seth_: Build failed:  -> task failed (err #2):         {task: libv8.a SConstruct -> libv8.a} 
[09:00] seth_: Anyone know how to fix this?
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[09:16] mscdex: seth_: what's the text say prior to that?
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[09:26] marlun: I need a glob feature i node.js which can handle patterns like **/*.js anyone tried https://github.com/isaacs/node-glob who knows if it supports it? The tests doesn't do show the use of such recursive patterns.
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[09:39] SubStack: marlun: npm install glob and see for yourself
[09:39] SubStack: **/*.js seems to work
[09:39] SubStack: > require('glob').glob('**/*.js', function (err, xs) { console.dir(xs) })
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[09:48] marlun: SubStack: Couldn't test it untill I got home so I thought maybe someone here knew allready :) Thanks!
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[10:03] sechrist: sup guyz
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[10:30] mscdex: sechrist: sup
[10:31] sechrist: mscdex: http://balldroppings.com/js/
[10:31] mape: crashes in chrome
[10:31] mape: seems like ball -> line collition is no fun
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[10:32] mape: or rather has no method playSound
[10:32] mscdex: works for me in chromium
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[10:32] mape: oh flash blockers kill it >_<
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[10:33] sechrist: this is so fun
[10:33] mscdex: node.js is more funner!
[10:33] sechrist: yeah when I landed on the page I was unsure how they were playing the sound so accurately
[10:33] sechrist: figured it was flash and sure enough
[10:34] sechrist: html5 really has no decent audio anything
[10:34] mscdex: because they can't decide on a standard
[10:37] Lorentz: Corporate interests!
[10:38] sechrist: http://blueballfixed.ytmnd.com/
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[10:39] JimBastard: SubStack: you awake?
[10:43] SubStack: JimBastard: yep!
[10:43] SubStack: pesky, he's gone
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[10:46] mscdex: ryah: any chance we can rename the class in platform.h to something else, like Platform or some such?
[10:47] sechrist: O.o -- if I re-use a canvas context in node-canvas for a large loop (benching) I get worse performance than if I use a new one
[10:47] sechrist: I am so confused
[10:47] sechrist: actually it's like 3x faster
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[10:49] jetienne: anybody ran nodejs with the new v8 ? any noticable difference ?
[10:49] sechrist: crankshaft make zoom zoom
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[10:53] felixge: jetienne: crankshaft doesn't seem to kick in for my node-mysql project
[10:54] jetienne: felixge: and you got significant cpu usage in node itself ?
[10:55] felixge: jetienne: the benchmarks runs for 4-5 seconds, executing certain functions hundred thousands of times.
[10:56] felixge: jetienne: I talked with one of the v8 guys about it, and he wasn't sure why no optimization was taking place either
[10:56] felixge: jetienne: that is, --trace_opt didn't produce any output
[10:56] proppy: felixge: maybe a compile flag --enable-crankshaft-magic :)
[10:56] mscdex: any v8 c++ gurus awake?
[10:56] felixge: proppy: it should be enabled by default in node
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[11:52] mattcodes:             option(value:"#{key}") #{item}  ]
[11:52] mattcodes: how do I do this in Express
[11:52] konobi: felixge: you're using the bleeding-edge branch of v8?
[11:53] mattcodes: key is not subsitutated
[11:53] mattcodes: subsituted
[11:54] felixge: konobi: I was using the bleeding edge of node ;)
[11:54] SubStack: mattcodes: is that jade?
[11:55] SubStack: if so, option(value=key) #{item}
[11:55] mattcodes: so yes jade
[11:56] mattcodes: substack, thanks, i obviously didnt think that one through
[11:57] konobi: felixge: maybe an extra build flag to v8?
[11:57] konobi: pgo or something?
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[12:00] felixge: konobi: afaik there should be no extra flag needed
[12:07] konobi: felixge: try pgo=optimize prof=oprofile
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[12:08] mraleph: felixge: what are you trying to do. I missed the start :-)
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[12:09] felixge: konobi: well, I won't be able to try right away since I'll have to fire up another ec2 instance with node etc.. My local system is 64bit, so no crankshaft ;)
[12:09] felixge: mraleph: konobi was saying that I need a special ./configure for getting node to use crankshaft
[12:10] mraleph: konobi: no extra flags needed
[12:10] felixge: mraleph: a while back we talked about node-mysql not triggering any --trace_opt output
[12:10] mraleph: yeah. 
[12:10] mscdex: gah, openbsd has no /proc/self/exe equivalent
[12:10] mscdex: 
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[12:11] mraleph: it think most node apps spend too much time in C++ side. crankshaft profiler probably becomes confused.
[12:11] konobi: just noting that the pgo stuff is disabled by default according to the v8 scons stuff
[12:11] mraleph: pgo staff is too optimize v8 itself with pgo embedded into C++ compiler
[12:12] mraleph: too much pain not much gain AFAIK
[12:13] konobi: ah
[12:13] felixge: mraleph: node-mysql definitely spends a good amount of time in C++
[12:14] felixge: mraleph: which is another problem I'll try to fix :)
[12:14] felixge: mraleph: but you're saying the heuristics are based on time?
[12:15] mraleph: felixge: yes. they are profile guided. 
[12:16] felixge: mraleph: well, that's good news. It means if I can fix my slow buffer->string conversion issue I mays see two performance boosts at once :)
[12:16] mraleph: felixge: well. I doubt.
[12:16] felixge: mraleph: why?
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[12:17] mraleph: felixge: one of the problems: crankshaft can't handle Buffer elements access as well as I can handle plain Array access.
[12:18] mraleph: of course I can't predict anything (especially because I have not seen actual code).
[12:19] felixge: mraleph: well, sure. But there is also lots of regular array/object stuff going on. So unless having a buffer in a function means it can't be optimized, I'm hopeful :)
[12:19] cheney: how can I test if a posted file contains binary or character data?
[12:20] SubStack: what's the difference?
[12:20] cheney: SubStack: was that directed at me?
[12:20] SubStack: sure
[12:20] SubStack: do you just want to scan for high and low bytes?
[12:20] SubStack: but then that gets tricky where unicode is concerned
[12:21] cheney: SubStack: I want to verify that the data is binary so that I can reject JS processing upon the file's contents
[12:21] SubStack: a lot of binary formats have magic numbers in the first few bytes
[12:22] SubStack: that would be a better way to verify uploads
[12:22] cheney: k
[12:22] SubStack: that's how `file` works
[12:22] SubStack: for the most part
[12:23] SubStack: looking up what database it uses
[12:23] SubStack: I wrote a script to check them a while back
[12:27] SubStack: right, this http://search.cpan.org/~pardus/File-MimeInfo-0.15/lib/File/MimeInfo/Magic.pm 
[12:28] SubStack: comes from the xdg data dir
[12:30] SubStack: aha, it's in /usr/share/file/magic.mgc on my debian system
[12:32] SubStack: also there's the magic command which has something to do with it
[12:32] cheney: cool
[12:32] cheney: now for a far more basic question
[12:33] cheney: how do I take the contents of an uploaded file out of the file for interpretation?
[12:34] jetienne: is there a simple, yet standard way to handle template in js ?
[12:34] jetienne: as in text template. not oo style of template
[12:34] cheney: jetienne: please be more specific
[12:34] SubStack: cheney: you mean once the file is already sitting on disk or while it's being uploaded?
[12:34] cheney: text template?
[12:34] jetienne: cheney: i need to have simple template in my webapps. small part of html
[12:34] SubStack: jetienne: there are loads of types
[12:35] SubStack: jade, ejs
[12:35] cheney: SubStack: Is a file uploaded separate from other post data?
[12:35] jetienne: cheney: currently im building it with jquery. i guess more efficient/readable possibility
[12:35] jetienne: SubStack: ok thanks
[12:35] cheney: I so completely loathe jquery
[12:35] SubStack: http://github.com/ry/node/wikis/modules has a whole section devoted to template engines
[12:35] cheney: they use it at work and I cannot stand it
[12:35] SubStack: but jquery is <3
[12:35] cheney: jquery is such a bad idea, imo
[12:35] SubStack: for whycome?
[12:36] cheney: jquery is slightly less evil than GWT, but not much less and both are evil for the same reasons
[12:36] SubStack: jetienne: plus if you're building your webapp with express it'll already know about common template extensions and integrates pretty well with ejs and jade anyways
[12:36] cheney: incompetent people who are not willing to understand JavaScript should not be given an excuse to write it anyways thanks to inefficient frameworks
[12:36] jetienne: http://ejohn.org/blog/javascript-micro-templating/ this one seems to enter in the "standard yet simple" criteria
[12:37] SubStack: cheney: I disagree and GWT and jquery are pretty starkly different
[12:37] cheney: they are very different
[12:37] SubStack: jquery normalizes and DOM across browsers
[12:37] cheney: but they are still evil for the same rasons
[12:37] SubStack: insofar as that is possible to do
[12:37] SubStack: and it provides a nice concise interface to do it
[12:38] jetienne: cross browser, well tested
[12:38] SubStack: GWT is some java abomination that generates javascript as far as I can tell
[12:38] jetienne: well documented
[12:38] SubStack: totally different idea
[12:38] cheney: jquery is SLOW
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[12:38] cheney: DOM access should be minimized and avoided until necessary, which is the opposite of jquery
[12:38] jetienne: i sure wish every piece of code were as bad as jquery :)
[12:39] SubStack: hah
[12:39] cheney: further more, imo jquery significantly increases code maintenance costs
[12:39] SubStack: cheney: if you want to create a rich interactive web application you don't always get that luxury
[12:39] SubStack: cheney: you really need to qualify that with some data
[12:39] cheney: SubStack: that is what competent UI developers are for
[12:39] SubStack: or at least some examples
[12:39] cheney: not jquery
[12:40] jetienne: cheney: you seem bitter
[12:40] SubStack: what are these "ui developers" anyways
[12:40] cheney: i am bitter
[12:40] SubStack: I didn't know developers were so specialized
[12:40] cheney: jquery makes me horribly bitter
[12:40] cheney: SubStack: depends where you work
[12:42] SubStack: I do frontend ui, backend, system automation, art, whatever
[12:42] SubStack: I couldn't stand to be doing the same thing every day
[12:42] bob_: anyone seen an error like this befor?
[12:42] bob_: http://pastebin.com/UYkdCN0i
[12:42] cheney: I work in a Java shop so when there is not enough of me around the Java developers use GWT, which makes me cry
[12:43] SubStack: cheney: sounds like the problem is more with your compatriots and less with jquery
[12:43] SubStack: quit
[12:43] SubStack: do a startup
[12:43] cheney: maybe I will
[12:43] SubStack: rawk
[12:44] cheney: I have thought of what I would do if I were provided with venture capital to write software to interpret my email language
[12:44] SubStack: just write it
[12:44] cheney: not that simple
[12:44] SubStack: capital is really hard to get
[12:45] jetienne: stop complaining on irc and use this time to do real work ? :)
[12:45] jetienne: but i agree this is much less fun. this is why i still complain on irc :)
[12:45] cheney: jetienne: i am, i am building an api for my Pretty Diff application
[12:45] cheney: http://prettydiff.com/
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[12:46] cheney: at any rate I would love to see my email language absorbed into user agents, but that is something severely more ambitious than writing user agents for HTML
[12:47] jetienne: http://prettydiff.com/documentation.php <- if you plan for startup, avoid asking people to read all that before using your tools
[12:47] SubStack: well anyways just build something that people will pay you money for
[12:47] jetienne: cheney: initial acceptance is key
[12:47] SubStack: yeah I am not going to read any of that
[12:47] cheney: jetienne: i would not plan a start up around pretty diff, pretty diff is just something I enjoy building
[12:47] SubStack: I always just scroll down until I hit code
[12:47] SubStack: and if I get to the bottom of the page I give up and close the tab
[12:47] jetienne: cheney: the number of tl;dr you will get is huge
[12:48] jetienne: ok
[12:48] cheney: tl;dr ?
[12:48] cheney: what is that
[12:48] SubStack: to long, didn't read
[12:48] SubStack: *too
[12:49] cheney: ah, i am not really bothered by that
[12:49] cheney: if people are afraid of documentation they should not be surprised when things do not work as expected
[12:49] SubStack: see that is not how most people think
[12:49] SubStack: myself included
[12:49] SubStack: there are too many things to read
[12:50] SubStack: you can't expect that people will devote much time to your project
[12:50] cheney: you have to pick your poison
[12:50] SubStack: so make an impact
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[12:50] SubStack: and do it quickly
[12:50] SubStack: code helps
[12:50] SubStack: excellent example: http://www.sinatrarb.com/ 
[12:50] cheney: all of my code for pretty diff is available and well documented
[12:50] cheney: its on the documentation
[12:50] SubStack: well documented sucks
[12:50] Eber: Does anyone knows if there is a jade syntax highlighting plugin for gedit?
[12:51] SubStack: for me, having a few quick examples is much better than being well documented
[12:51] cheney: you dont have to read the documentation to use my tool
[12:52] cheney: but if you encountered something unexpected the documentation is available
[12:52] SubStack: cheney: and yet, all you have is the documentation
[12:52] SubStack: whip up a brief synopsis!
[12:52] SubStack: otherwise nobody will care
[12:52] Eber: cheney: what are you guys talking about?
[12:52] cheney: no, i have the actual application completely available on the client and soon as a service via api
[12:52] cheney: Eber: my tool http://prettydiff.com/
[12:53] SubStack: anyways I need to get this automations system up
[12:53] SubStack: so I can write the api for external business parters
[12:53] SubStack: ners
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[13:28] mattcodes: is creationx step the only lib for handling callbacks nicely in nodejs?
[13:28] mattcodes: what are the alternatives libs?
[13:28] clyfe: I try to biuld node on cygwin but I get http://pastie.org/1397790
[13:29] stagas: clyfe: git checkout v0.3.1
[13:29] stagas: clyfe: then: ./configure && make install
[13:30] clyfe: stagas: ok ty
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[13:31] chapel: mattcodes: try seq from substack
[13:31] mattcodes: investigating thanks
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[13:36] mattcodes: seq it is. very nice
[13:36] chapel: :)
[13:36] chapel: I have yet to use it, but I like how it looks
[13:38] SubStack: me!
[13:38] chapel: yes you SubStack
[13:38] chapel: :)
[13:39] SubStack: there is a whole section dedicated to flow control on https://github.com/ry/node/wiki/modules too
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[13:53] Rv: hi
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[14:05] pHcF: why im getting TypeError: Cannot call method 'request' of undefined when trying to run that test?http://pastie.org/private/pur6ihcpnlagqxcrhmhyw
[14:11] chapel: pHcF: because assert doesn't have request?
[14:12] pHcF: yeah
[14:12] pHcF: but i dont know what im doing wrong
[14:12] chapel: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.3.2/api/assert.html
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[14:13] pHcF: does it works on 0.2.5?
[14:14] chapel: http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.2.5/api.html#assert-280
[14:14] chapel: doesn't look like much changed
[14:14] pHcF: yeah
[14:14] pHcF: but i dont know why assert.response specifically isn't working
[14:14] pHcF: i exported the app
[14:15] chapel: uhh assert.response doesn't exist
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[14:15] pHcF: and i have the routes defined as app.get("/", runPlugin, postsController.index);
[14:15] pHcF: chapel: its from expresso
[14:15] chapel: oh
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[14:15] chapel: well that could have saved some time
[14:15] sooli: Hi all
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[14:15] pHcF: sorry
[14:15] sooli: I'm working with socket-io and node.js and I have somteimes this error 
[14:15] sooli: node.js:30   if (!x) throw new Error(msg || "assertion error"); 
[14:15] sooli: any idea ? 
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[14:16] pHcF: sooli: take a look at the line 30 of the file node.js? :P
[14:17] DoNaLd`: has somebody info, what is the situation cloud9 with nodejs (0.3.1 - 0.3.2) ?
[14:17] mattcode_: want to bring in something like jQuery map (to do some projection on an array), whats the simplest?
[14:17] sooli: well this is not help so much :/
[14:18] pHcF: sooli: yeah i know,but i have no idea too
[14:19] mraleph: v8: [1,2,3],map(function (x) { return x*x; }) 
[14:19] v8bot: mraleph: ReferenceError: map is not defined
[14:19] mraleph: v8: [1,2,3].map(function (x) { return x*x; }) 
[14:19] v8bot: mraleph: [1, 4, 9]
[14:20] mraleph: mattcode_: ^^^^
[14:20] mattcode_: ahh its built in. sweet
[14:20] sooli: no one now how to fix this pb  ?
[14:20] sooli: now/know
[14:21] chapel: pHcF: looking at your code, it looks fine
[14:21] pHcF: yea
[14:21] chapel: do you have the stack trace?
[14:22] mraleph: mattcode_: ecma-262 defines some basic stuff: map, reduce, filter, every, some 
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[14:23] WhyLovedAynRand: Can I embed Javascript in HTML with <% things?
[14:23] chapel: ejs sure
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[14:29] mattcode_: mralpeh: thanks
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[14:38] jetienne: WhyLovedAynRand: yes. ejs does it or http://ejohn.org/blog/javascript-micro-templating/ does it too
[14:40] WhyLovedAynRand: Hmm, ejs is server-side right?
[14:41] chapel: yes
[14:42] WhyLovedAynRand: Are you sure? It looks client-side to me
[14:44] chapel: ejs is for node.js
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[14:48] jetienne: WhyLovedAynRand: both works both side
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[14:50] tprice: im trying to write to file
[14:50] WhyLovedAynRand: Looks like we are going to use v8cgi as a stand-in for JSP where we need to embed server-side JS in HTML and node.js for the async stuff
[14:50] tprice: the file is been streamed in
[14:50] tprice: how do i go about this
[14:50] chapel: sorry WhyLovedAynRand
[14:50] tprice: it does not act like other write apis
[14:50] chapel: I think I misunderstood you
[14:50] WhyLovedAynRand: np
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[14:51] broofa: Anyone here know why my simple "hello world" socketpair() test isn't emitting 'data' events?  http://pastie.org/1397946
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[14:53] Aikar: broofa: call inner.resume() and outie.resume()
[14:53] Aikar: new net.Stream starts it in a paused state
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[14:54] Aikar: and you could just use outie.write('Hello, World!') dont need to make a buffer out of it. send buffer or string
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[14:55] tprice: on the fs.createWriteStream
[14:56] tprice: its there a stream.write?
[14:56] broofa: Aikar: thx!  that did the trick.  So... is that bit about new streams being paused documented anywhere?
[14:56] Aikar: dont know
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[14:57] tprice: it says its a "WriteStream object"
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[14:57] tprice: so it should act just like other write stream
[14:57] tprice: well should
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[14:58] tprice: if im doing it right it should have all the events shown here http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.3.2/api/streams.html#writable_Stream?
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[15:03] mattcode_: dumb question, and a little OT, if I just want to set an environment variable for onetime run of node (without export) how, 
[15:03] mattcode_: e.g. node myapps.js (with env=fast) without populating the shell env
[15:03] mattcode_: or subseqeunt commands if called in a batch file
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[15:05] mattcode_: MYVAR=2 node myapp.js works
[15:07] broofa: mattcode_:  wow. that's not at all obvious... but cool. :)  I was gonna suggest just rolling your own support using one of the modules for command-line parsing.
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[15:08] tprice: haha i had it all wrong
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[15:24] chapel: stagas
[15:24] stagas: hey
[15:24] chapel: fix your connection :)
[15:24] chapel: btw hello
[15:24] stagas: I was testing something :)
[15:24] stagas: https://gist.github.com/751640
[15:24] chapel: oh
[15:24] chapel: :)
[15:25] stagas: loses the ~ from the username
[15:25] stagas: probably useless as clients usually have identd themselves
[15:27] jetienne: WhyLovedAynRand: btw i just found jquery.tmpl is now official 
[15:27] WhyLovedAynRand: coolz
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[15:44] Tasser: how to handle source that's in more than one file?
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[15:47] jetienne: Tasser: rephrase your question.
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[15:48] Tasser: jetienne, I got a bunch of data files (containg some const and JSON [JS lacks Symbols, so I use consts + integers instead of strings]) and a bunch of source files that would like to be loaded into my nodejs app.
[15:49] B2oba: I have build error when trying to build node.js using cygwin :( What to do?
[15:49] jetienne: Tasser: ? you want to read a file ?
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[15:49] Tasser: jetienne, I suppose http://nodejs.org/docs/v0.3.2/api/modules.html looks good.
[15:49] jetienne: ok
[15:50] Tasser: jetienne, what to use in JS if Symbols (named integers) are missing?
[15:50] stagas: B2oba: git checkout v0.3.1 && ./configure && make install
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[15:51] jetienne: Tasser: dunno. what is a symbols for you ?
[15:51] Tasser: jetienne, it's a named integer. Like what type of resources are on that field and so on.
[15:52] jetienne: Tasser: ok maybe another approach. where have you seen this "symbol" you are talking about
[15:52] gkatsev: Tasser: use an object and name your integers?
[15:52] gkatsev: kind of like old-school enums in java?
[15:52] B2oba: stagas: I have checked out, and configured succesfully. (I'm following this guide: https://github.com/ry/node/wiki/Building-node.js-on-Cygwin-%28Windows%29). Upon "make" I get "task failed {task: libv8.a SConsctruct -> libv8.a}"
[15:53] jetienne: enums in js is possible
[15:53] gkatsev: jetienne: can you have true enums in js?
[15:53] jetienne: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/287903/enums-in-javascript 
[15:54] jetienne: gkatsev: true ? unlikely 
[15:54] stagas: B2oba: you need to checkout v0.3.1 later don't build
[15:54] B2oba: ahh ok
[15:54] jetienne: gkatsev: the link i have given is a possibility
[15:54] B2oba: stagas: I'll give that a try, thanks.
[15:54] gkatsev: jetienne: yeah, so, basically what I said.
[15:55] jetienne: yt
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[15:58] Tasser: jetienne, it's a ruby construct. It's basically const NORTH = 0; NORTH used in the source.
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[15:59] Tasser: and if you output it, it's "NORTH"
[15:59] flashingpumpkin: guys, how can i stop a Script ?
[15:59] Tasser: flashingpumpkin, ^C ?
[16:00] flashingpumpkin: Tasser, http://nodejs.org/api.html#script-100
[16:00] Tasser: oh.
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[16:02] flashingpumpkin: hmm
[16:03] gkatsev: v8bot: const foo = 5; foo = 6; foo;
[16:03] v8bot: gkatsev: Use v8: <code> to evaluate code or "`v commands" for a list of v8bot commands.
[16:03] B2oba: stagas: Worked, thanks!
[16:03] gkatsev: v8: const foo = 5; foo = 6; foo;
[16:03] v8bot: gkatsev: 5
[16:03] gkatsev: fwiw
[16:04] possibilities: flashingpumpkin, why not run it as a child process so you can call .kill() ?
[16:04] gkatsev: Tasser: ^
[16:05] flashingpumpkin: possibilities, i'm trying to extract the full requirements of a script 
[16:05] possibilities: Just noticed the docs have this paragraph twice: 
[16:05] possibilities: "Note that running untrusted code is a tricky"
[16:05] possibilities: flashpumkin, sorry, i dont follow
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[16:06] flashingpumpkin: easiest way was to grep the require's recursively from each file, but that breaks when require is used with variables. eg: sys = 'sys'; require(sys)
[16:06] Tasser: gkatsev, looks like I gotta do stuff liek SIZE.MEDIUM
[16:06] gkatsev: well, you'll probably want to parse it then.
[16:06] jetienne: Tasser: ok (btw symbol in ruby are something else :)
[16:07] gkatsev: Tasser: yeah, pretty much. But you can also just have a const in local/global scope or w/e. Or you can also just freeze the object.
[16:07] Tasser: jetienne, whut?
[16:07] jetienne: Tasser: i was talking about the :supersymbol in ruby
[16:07] Tasser: gkatsev, freezing the object doesn't give me what I want
[16:08] flashingpumpkin: gkatsev, i'd rather do: Script.runInNewContext('require(script); Object.keys(require.cache);', {require: require, script: './path/to/script'}) - and then somehow kill it
[16:08] Tasser: jetienne, they're named integers. That's what I'm looking for in JS
[16:08] mattcodes: in expressjs if I do next(err) from a middleware handler, how is err passed to actually request route
[16:08] gkatsev: Tasser: I don't really see the point of named integeers, isn't just 'var foo = 5' a named integer?
[16:08] mattcodes: as the signature is (req,res)
[16:08] jetienne: Tasser: ok lets not argue
[16:09] Tasser: gkatsev, yep, but you need to declare it.
[16:09] Tasser: jetienne, or explain your point to me in query?
[16:09] gkatsev: Tasser: and in ruby you don't?
[16:09] jashkenas: Tasser: you don't need symbols in JS -- strings are immutable.
[16:09] Tasser: gkatsev, nope
[16:09] Tasser: jashkenas, but more expensive to compare
[16:09] jashkenas: no, they're not, in JS.
[16:10] Tasser: hmm
[16:10] gkatsev: Tasser: == and === compare strings in js.
[16:10] jashkenas: They're immutable -- O(1) comparison.
[16:10] jashkenas: "a" is the same object as "a".
[16:10] Tasser: jashkenas, good, -1 misinterpretation
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[16:10] Tasser: it pays to argue ;-)
[16:11] Tasser: thanks!
[16:11] jashkenas: you're very welcome.
[16:11] Tasser: you just saved me from a lot of cursing.
[16:11] jetienne: Tasser: ruby symbol have nothing to do with "named integer". ruby symbol may be seen as a weirdo string with no duplication in ram. http://glu.ttono.us/articles/2005/08/19/understanding-ruby-symbols for details
[16:11] jashkenas: It's nice to not have to deal with two different string-like things ... keeps it simple.
[16:11] mraleph: jashkenas: strictly speaking not every string comparison is O(1). 
[16:11] mraleph: at least not in V8
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[16:12] gkatsev: mraleph: like if it tried to convert it or something?
[16:12] Tasser: jetienne, well, they're used like named integers.
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[16:12] mraleph: not all strings are interned.
[16:12] gkatsev: 
ACTION still doesn't see the point of 'named integers', look like variables to me.

[16:12] jashkenas: mraleph: short ones are though, yes?
[16:13] tmedema: Hi there, I was wondering, have there been any attempts in creating a sophisticated node based crawler that tries to detect black holes/loop holes/spider traps?
[16:13] jashkenas: the ones you would use as faux-enums.
[16:13] jetienne: gkatsev: enum are nice as they give easy way to add/remove members. and it explicitly say "cant be modified"
[16:14] gkatsev: jetienne: right, I get the point of enums, but are named integers just enums? don't enums technically have no value?
[16:14] jetienne: gkatsev: btw you used const before. is that official js ?
[16:14] jetienne: gkatsev: i never heard of "named integer" before today :)
[16:14] gkatsev: jetienne: only some places :P
[16:15] jetienne: enums have values. it is just set automatically if not explicitly given
[16:15] gkatsev: ok
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[16:16] flowlo: hi
[16:16] mraleph: jashkenas: string literals should be interned, but results of operations (e.g. concatenation) aren't.
[16:17] gkatsev: jetienne: I guess the 'named integer' confused me.
[16:18] flowlo: i want to write a small http server, which should scan the url and then dynamically load other node.js code ... so i think i'll filter the url for an extension to indicate that this is a node.js file to "execute" ... i don't want to use 'js' because i want to use this for client javascript ... does anybody use a specific extension, or is there no definitaion for the extension?
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[16:22] jashkenas: mraleph: that sounds like the best of both worlds.
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[16:25] gkatsev: jetienne: const was originally a mozilla-only extension. (let is also nice), but apparently, v8 has it now as well, and opera and safari have partial support as well. IE does not.
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[16:27] hobodave: hmm
[16:27] hobodave: node's configure script doesn't support --prefix ?!
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[16:29] gkatsev: jetienne: also, looks like const isn't in ES5 but it is marked as a reserved word.
[16:29] hobodave: hm I think I typod
[16:29] hobodave: retard
[16:32] B2oba: I played with Node, and I like it. I would like to use it for a real application (as opposed to a local prototype) but I don't have any dedicated server (too pricy for me). Is there a cheap option to have an online website running node?
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[16:35] hobodave: B2oba: get a VPS
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[16:35] softdrink: why didn't i add a finder keyboard shortcut to open the current file in macvim before?
[16:35] softdrink: i are teh dumbs
[16:36] hobodave: B2oba: linode, rackspace cloud, slicehost, prgmr -- check those out
[16:36] B2oba: hobodave: What is a VPS? 
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[16:36] hobodave: virtual private server
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[16:36] B2oba: hobodave: forget last question, looked it up in greater detail :)
[16:37] softdrink: i <3 linode so much
[16:38] booths: ^
[16:39] B2oba: so a VPS is basically a hosted machine where i can remote, and through which i can install any server I want? (e.g. node, apache etc..?)
[16:39] hobodave: think of it as a dedicated server
[16:39] hobodave: but cheaper
[16:39] booths: they give you a vps and say "here, have fun"
[16:39] hobodave: you manage the operating system and everything
[16:39] Aria: Yeah. . .  A slice of "real" hardware, but running a separate copy of the operating system just for you.
[16:40] hobodave: they all have one button installs
[16:40] hobodave: for the OS
[16:40] hobodave: after that you're on your own
[16:40] B2oba: do I need to be an expert in terms of securing my own machine then?
[16:40] hobodave: you need to be a competent sysadmin 
[16:40] hobodave: if you go with slicehost they have a great series of articles
[16:40] Aria: Not if you use a reasonably sane OS and keep it up to date. And keep backups, so if things go really awry, you can start over.
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[16:40] hobodave: well their articles are open to everyone
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[16:42] B2oba: alright I'll look it up, sounds like the best and prefered option. I'll just have to learn along the way..
[16:42] Aria: (Simple version: Don't run things as root if you can avoid it, don't run services you don't need, always use good passwords (8-letter random is a good start), manage over SSH (or NX, since it uses SSH!),  and if you can, make a separate user on the system for different things, so they're isolated from each other.)
[16:43] pHcF: i have this assert http://pastie.org/private/plo6bntfbtzum8dn52qga but when i run it with expresso, i don't get the test results, but i get the 'response is ok...' the problem keeps running until i press control + c (to end the process) and it will show me the results of the test (100% ok )
[16:43] hobodave: B2oba: the articles are here: http://articles.slicehost.com/centos
[16:43] hobodave: B2oba: most will recommend Ubuntu, I recommend CentOS, but that's just me
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[16:43] jetienne: gkatsev: thanks for the details
[16:43] hobodave: dont' do Gentoo
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[16:44] B2oba: hobodave: Thanks for the link, any reason why CentOS vs. Ubuntu?
[16:44] Aria: I'd use Fedora over CentOS, especially for node and newer stuff. It's dated until they get v6 out the door. And Ubuntu is pretty darn nice.
[16:45] hobodave: B2oba: I prefer its package manager yum over Ubuntu's apt. And it's much easier to get good advice on CentOS than Ubuntu
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[16:45] hobodave: the level of incompetence presence in the Ubuntu community can lead to you following some very bad advice if you're googling things
[16:45] Aria: Yeah. Definitely true there.
[16:46] hobodave: Ubuntu also does weird things with paths that are unlike any other distro, particularly apache
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[16:46] Aria: (That said, most of the goodness of CentOS is present in Fedora. And it's up to date.)
[16:46] Aria: Heh. So does CentOS ;-)
[16:46] Aria: Just redhatisms rather than debianisms.
[16:46] hobodave: I abhor sites-available and mods-available :)
[16:46] yanick_: hi, what Javascript specification is V8's node.js implemented with? (Node 0.3.2)
[16:46] hobodave: CentOS at least makes sense in the traditional *NIX FS layout
[16:47] yanick_: Javascript 1.6, 1.7, 1.8... ?
[16:47] hobodave: B2oba: but yea, if you want the latest greatest, Fedora is probably better than CentOS
[16:47] Aria: 
ACTION laughs. Anyone who thinks that hasn't used many other unixes.

[16:47] Aria: yanick_: ECMAScript 3. With a couple things from ES5.
[16:47] tjholowaychuk: pHcF: because you still have an active database connection
[16:47] hobodave: not trying to start a debate Aria
[16:47] stagas: yanick_: https://github.com/ry/node/wiki/ECMA-5-Mozilla-Features-Implemented-in-V8
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[16:48] mraleph: Aria: ES5 is almost fully supported.
[16:48] yanick_: Aria, I was reading https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Guide/Iterators_and_Generators and "for (let (i, j) in arr)" but it's not a recognized statement for Node.Js
[16:48] Aria: Yeah, it's gettin' there fast.
[16:48] mraleph: only strict mode is not supported.
[16:48] Aria: yanick_: Yeah, that's a mozillaism.
[16:49] yanick_: Aria, I see
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[16:50] hobodave: is npm a de facto standard ?
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[16:51] B2oba: hobodave, aria: Thanks for the advice, coming from a Windows background (heh ^^) both are new to me :) From that perspective, either solution will work. I'll go shopping for a VPS then. Thanks a lot for the prompt and accurate answer
[16:51] hobodave: no problem
[16:51] Aria: Sure thing!
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[16:51] Aria: It'll be a bit of a mind-twist after using Windows where there's no batteries included and no way to play nice with the OS
[16:52] hobodave: Is npm the de facto standard package manager for node?
[16:52] Aria: IT is.
[16:52] hobodave: I'm a little concerned about the author's OMG warning about installing it as root. That is bizarre for a PM
[16:52] Aria: CentOS is the bedrock of a lot of hosting companies and servers; Fedora's the community testbed that feeds into CentOS and Redhat Enterprise Linux; Ubuntu's aimed at end-users, and so it's good and reliable, but also weird and has a lot of bad advice floating around.
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[16:54] Aria: Oh, man. I was thinking 'let' was an ES5 feature. 
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[16:54] Aria: I wish the spec wasn't such a pain to read.
[16:54] softdrink: what's the point of the chrome web store? anyone?
[16:54] bruse: hobodave: the packages you install gets to run their own scripts for installation, if you run npm as root you run these scripts as root
[16:54] possibilities: hobodave, he's recommending that node & friends are not installed as root, not just npm
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[16:55] bruse: hobodave: so if some packet author suddenly turns malicious and you install his package, there's no telling what could happen :)
[16:55] hobodave: bruse: that's how nearly every package manager works
[16:55] hobodave: yum, apt, gem, pear
[16:55] bruse: yes, but for most packet managers there is a central authority that checks the packages
[16:56] hobodave: ah so npm is just a community free for all?
[16:56] bruse: as of right now, pretty much
[16:56] hobodave: well that's really on me then
[16:56] bruse: yep
[16:57] hobodave: if I weren't to use NPM
[16:57] hobodave: and I have node installed to /opt/node , where would I "install" packages manually?
[16:58] gkatsev: hobodave: you can have the packages in your project folder
[16:58] hobodave: gkatsev: so node doesn't have a native concept of a "library" path?
[16:58] Aria: I'd imagine /opt/node/lib/node/ , but I'd have to check.
[16:58] Aria: It does.
[16:59] Aria: It's usually relative to the executable, but I've never looked at where it looks when it's in a path in /opt
[16:59] hobodave: I see an /opt/node/lib/node dir
[16:59] hobodave: it just contains a wafadmin subdir currently
[16:59] possibilities: hobo, you can add paths to require.paths, sometimes i add libs as submodules to my project then i use require.paths.unshift to make them available
[17:00] Aria: Yeah. . . Look at require.paths to see where it's looking, too.
[17:00] Aria: (I use my ~/.node_libraries while developing)
[17:00] possibilities: usually i do all the unshifting in support/index.js then i can require('support') to make them all available
[17:01] Aria: (And then system copies in /usr/local/lib/node/ for me.)
[17:01] Aria: Yeah. For single projects with dependencies, I have a 'vendor/' directory, and just add that to the require paths.
[17:02] pHcF: tjholowaychuk: is there any way to "force" the assert?
[17:02] hobodave: thanks guys
[17:02] tjholowaychuk: ? what do you mean
[17:03] hobodave: gettin ready for alpha 0.1 of my log tailer :)
[17:03] pHcF: tjholowaychuk: in my tests, the assert is not being called, and the process keeps running after receiving the callback
[17:03] pHcF: tjholowaychuk: http://pastie.org/private/plo6bntfbtzum8dn52qga
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[17:03] tjholowaychuk: pHcF: if that callback is invoked the assert will be as well..
[17:04] tjholowaychuk: sys.puts is really old BTW
[17:04] tjholowaychuk: use console.log()
[17:04] tjholowaychuk: so your getPosts is probably failing
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[17:04] tjholowaychuk: and like I said, the process will be active if you have connections, so you have to close them
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[17:04] hobodave: yea there's a lot of dated tuts out there
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[17:04] hobodave: node moves fast
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[17:06] pHcF: tjholowaychuk: hmm gotcha
[17:07] tjholowaychuk: pHcF: think about it this way, there is no real way for node to be like "oh, ok, the db connection is established, but hes running a test, so we can close now"
[17:07] tjholowaychuk: so you need to take care of things like that, and setInterval()s
[17:07] pHcF: hmm
[17:07] pHcF: gotcha
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[17:08] hobodave: what is the "name" of node?
[17:09] hobodave: node? NodeJS? Node.JS?
[17:09] Aria: Yes.
[17:09] Aria: mostly node or node.js.
[17:09] Aria: (Huh. require.async. .. when did that land?)
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[17:15] mape: Wha?
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[17:17] mape: So, does that make me a bad person using sync require? :S
[17:17] tjholowaychuk: i thought require.async was removed
[17:17] tjholowaychuk: at least the http stuff was i think
[17:17] mape: stranger things have happened
[17:19] Aria: Huh. require.async is in my 0.2.5
[17:19] Aria: Not that I'd expect there to be http stuff in there. 
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[17:29] devinus: anybody know where console.log/dir/warn is defined?
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[17:31] broofa: devinus: node/src/node.js, looks like.
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[17:36] hobodave: hmm is there a way to install node into /opt?
[17:36] hobodave: it seems to force itself into ~
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[17:36] nooder: hello. can someone recommend better querystring.parse function?
[17:38] nooder: somehow on some request parse give wrong results
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[17:41] mape: Aria: So how is the html parsing going?
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[17:42] Aria: It works, mostly. I haven't had a chance to work on it lately.
[17:42] Aria: I don't have any open issues with things that go boom, but I'm sure some exist.
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[17:42] mape: But no working with jsdom in the works?
[17:42] mape: Or well, have you checked if it is faster the the current implementation?
[17:44] mape: Seems like jsdom for scraping right now is suboptimal
[17:44] mape: At least if you are running other stuff in the same loop
[17:49] hobodave: man node libs are really expecting everyone to use npm
[17:49] hobodave: that's annoying
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[17:50] mape: hobodave: not really?
[17:50] mape: hobodave: npm is just doing things for you
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[17:50] mscdex: hobodave: what's wrong with getting it from github?
[17:50] mape: feel free to do them yourself :)
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[17:51] hobodave: mape: I am, it's just inconvenient
[17:51] mscdex: almost all packages are on github
[17:51] hobodave: mscdex: that's what I'm doing
[17:51] mape: hobodave: And that is why you use npm?
[17:51] hobodave: but a lot of them have expectations that they be "built" in some fashion
[17:51] hobodave: mape: I don't use npm
[17:51] mscdex: built how?
[17:51] mape: Well then, what is the issue? :)
[17:51] mscdex: example?
[17:51] tjholowaychuk: hobodave: yeh i know what you mean
[17:51] tjholowaychuk: its annoying
[17:51] hobodave: mscdex: glob, mustache
[17:52] tjholowaychuk: i like to be able to clone a lib and have it usable
[17:52] hobodave: yea tjholowaychuk, I'm adding them as submodules and trying to work around the expectations
[17:52] tjholowaychuk: hobodave: the worst is with the bins, due to the shimming but i dont know a good way around that
[17:53] stagas: tjholowaychuk: you can do npm install in the cloned directory and have that one installed
[17:53] tjholowaychuk: stagas: yeah
[17:53] tjholowaychuk: we are just talking without npm all together though
[17:53] tjholowaychuk: I like it much more now with the bundlign
[17:53] tjholowaychuk: I dont want ANY global stuff
[17:53] tjholowaychuk: ever
[17:53] mape: stagas: btw what happened to your war? :S wanted to show it to coworkers
[17:54] hobodave: I would try npm if it didn't force itself into ~
[17:54] hobodave: that's just silly
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[17:54] mape: tjholowaychuk: So without npm, do you think the node community would be better off?
[17:54] tjholowaychuk: hobodave: try npm bundle, takes some submod hell away, adds some of its own hell haha
[17:54] hobodave: unless there's some magic hidden way to get it into /opt/npm
[17:54] tjholowaychuk: but its a bit better
[17:54] tjholowaychuk: mape: no, its great for people wanting to try things out and get started
[17:55] mape: hobodave: I'm sure you can fix that, and if you can't, I'm sure isaacs want to know about it
[17:55] mape: tjholowaychuk: Ie me? :)
[17:55] tjholowaychuk: woah weird my v8 was totally messed
[17:55] hobodave: tjholowaychuk: I used it on my laptop, it's unacceptable for our production servers though
[17:55] tjholowaychuk: hobodave: yeah agreed
[17:55] stagas: mape: some crazy connect limits on the grnet servers, were breaking the irc client and half of the times it didn't start at all
[17:55] tjholowaychuk: best to have it packaged up for deploys
[17:55] mape: stagas: :/
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[17:56] mape: hobodave: What about it is an issue with production? Have you talked to isaacs about it?
[17:56] hobodave: mape: no I haven't, I don't know him
[17:56] hobodave: mape: it doesn't meet our standards of quality
[17:57] hobodave: the only place it is allowed is /opt/npm, period
[17:57] mape: hobodave: And node does?
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[17:57] hobodave: in /opt/node, yes
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[17:57] mape: Well he isn't that hard to get a hold of
[17:57] mape: I could probly fly over the the US and get a bunk to sleep if I asked him
[17:58] hobodave: I can't find in the npm code where it installs itself to ~
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[17:58] hobodave: annoying character to search for
[17:58] mape: If you stick around for more then a bit you are more the likely to talk to him
[17:58] broofa: hobodave: I believe that's controlled by the --prefix flag on the configure script
[17:58] hobodave: broofa: there is no configure script
[17:59] broofa: hmmm.... oh, wait, I'm thinking of npm, not node. hobodave , sorry.
[17:59] mape: hobodave: So.. You don't know him but yet he is here?
[17:59] broofa: hobodave: no, wait, it is node.  and there is a configure script.
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[18:00] hobodave: mape: I appreciate you trying to help me, but could you please stop phrasing all of your communications to me as a question? It comes across as  condescending and is frustrating me.
[18:00] hobodave: broofa: I'm talking about npm :P
[18:00] broofa: hobo: it installs into your node directory.
[18:01] mape: hobodave: They are all questions, since isaacs is here, and if you talk to him you are more likely to find an answer/help
[18:01] hobodave: broofa: and pollutes ~
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[18:01] broofa: hobodave: urr... in what way?  All I have is a .npmrc file, which seems reasonable.
[18:01] mape: hobodave: If your issue is an issue the can't be solved then I understand that, I'm just saying that isaacs isn't a hard person to talk to, so rather do that and solve the issue
[18:02] hobodave: broofa: I'll double check, but on my laptop I have crap all in ~/.node_libraries
[18:02] broofa: hobodave: install node into ~/local (--prefix=$HOME/local) and I believe npm will play nicely
[18:03] brainproxy: I've been having a lot of luck using nvm and npm together
[18:03] hobodave: broofa: I'll double check on a clean machine
[18:03] brainproxy: which effectively does what broofa is suggesting, installs it locally in the user's home folder
[18:05] hobodave: brainproxy: if npm behaves as broofa claims, then I am mistaken and it should be good enough
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[18:05] mape: hobodave: But yeah, make sure to poke isaacs to fix issue, unless it doesn't make sense it usually isn't an issue
[18:05] hobodave: mape: it might be just a misunderstanding on my part
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[18:06] mape: hobodave: Then it is all good :) 
[18:06] hobodave: node takes some serious time to compile 
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[18:07] hobodave: I'm used to 5-15 second compilations :)
[18:07] tjholowaychuk: hobodave: shouldnt be more than a minute. $ make JOBS=8
[18:07] tjholowaychuk: etc
[18:07] hobodave: I think macports does that for me
[18:07] tjholowaychuk: macports sucks
[18:07] tjholowaychuk: brew sucks
[18:07] tjholowaychuk: lol
[18:07] hobodave: does the job :P
[18:07] tjholowaychuk: a side from then finding the tarball for me I hate those things
[18:07] mape: Seems like brew and macports breaks more things then they fix
[18:08] hobodave: I've never had an issue with macports
[18:08] hobodave: brew is just silly
[18:08] Imperion: I'm trying to use Jade for templating, but it seems to get stuck in an infinite loop
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[18:08] tjholowaychuk: Imperion: lets see your template
[18:09] hobodave: broofa: you're correct! I must have created the ~/.npmrc on my laptop and told it to install in ~/.node_libraries without understanding what I was doing
[18:10] broofa: hobodave: np
[18:10] Imperion: tjholowaychuk: http://codepad.org/YHf5vPCd
[18:10] mwilliams_: Are there any really good blog posts out there comparing the various frameworks build on Node?  Has anyone provided any valuable science against them?   
[18:10] tjholowaychuk: Imperion: some funky indentation on that site there lol
[18:11] proppy: tjholowaychuk: thanks for pulling in expresso :)
[18:11] Imperion: tabs?
[18:11] tjholowaychuk: proppy: np
[18:11] tjholowaychuk: oh
[18:11] tjholowaychuk: tabs
[18:11] tjholowaychuk: Imperion: it could be those empty divs
[18:11] tjholowaychuk: try removing them and see if that fixes it
[18:11] tjholowaychuk: could be a bug on my part
[18:12] Imperion: nope
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[18:12] mape: hobodave: Btw if you ever feel like someone is being condescending in here please voice it, don't think I've ever been around a more helping community, if you feel like people are being dicks it is most likely because they are from sweden (I am...) and things get wonky in translation
[18:12] tjholowaychuk: hmm
[18:12] tjholowaychuk: Imperion: oh, dont indent html
[18:12] tjholowaychuk: "html"
[18:13] tjholowaychuk: !!! doesnt expect a block
[18:13] Imperion: thank you
[18:13] hobodave: mape: thank you. I don't have a problem pointing it out, clearly. :)
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[18:13] Imperion: now fix that :P
[18:13] Imperion: make it throw an error or something
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[18:13] tjholowaychuk: haha yeah I probably should
[18:13] tjholowaychuk: seen that a few times now
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[18:14] JAAulde: sup achristianson
[18:14] mape: hobodave: Hehe, just make sure you solve it rather then just bottling it, this community is fast about fixing bad things
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[18:18] Imperion: tjholowaychuk: hm, I don't suppose there's a way to tell a template to include another one?
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[18:18] tjholowaychuk: Imperion: not straight from jade no
[18:19] mape: isn't that what partials are?
[18:19] tjholowaychuk: yeah
[18:19] tjholowaychuk: but that is express
[18:19] tjholowaychuk: its not a literal inclusion
[18:19] tjholowaychuk: which would be nice for some things
[18:19] TheEmpath: hail nodites
[18:20] tjholowaychuk: I was thinking eventually maybe partial('header') etc without args could do a literal include
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[18:26] Imperion: tjholowaychuk: could it be done with the filter thing?
[18:26] tjholowaychuk: Imperion: it could be done with the ast easily
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[18:26] tjholowaychuk: you could have a tag named "include" execute a routine
[18:27] tjholowaychuk: for example at learnboost
[18:27] tjholowaychuk: we take all of our link(rel='stylesheet', ...) tags and transparently compress/aggregate them in production
[18:27] tjholowaychuk: same with js
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[18:29] Imperion: so, um, how would I go around modifying the AST?
[18:29] tjholowaychuk: Imperion: I have some examples in the jade lib
[18:29] tjholowaychuk: its just a visitor, so you can define visitTag() etc and add more nodes to the ast or alter them as needed
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[18:30] bingomanatee: Is there a function in node core to decode raw bodys from POST?
[18:31] rauchg_: bingomanatee: use connect and bodyDecoder middleware
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[18:34] bingomanatee: Is there a node,js core function to decode a raw post body?
[18:34] bingomanatee: I am getting <Buffer 66 6f 6f> - how do I decode back to the string that was sent?
[18:34] tjholowaychuk: bingomanatee: toString()
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[18:36] bingomanatee: damn. Thanks. Out of curiosity - what is the actual thing that I am getting - i.e., what is its native "class"?
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[18:37] tjholowaychuk: its a Buffer
[18:37] tjholowaychuk: binary data, you can .setEncoding('utf8') for example on the stream
[18:37] tjholowaychuk: to get strings
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[18:46] bingomanatee: Ah!
[18:46] bingomanatee: Makes sense - now 
[18:46] CIA-93: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * rd02131d 10/ Makefile : Add 'make test-valgrind' - http://bit.ly/e2KXE6
[18:46] bingomanatee: I really appreciate your help - thanks once again.
[18:46] CIA-93: node: 03Tom Hughes 07master * r4b55509 10/ src/node_net.cc : 
[18:46] CIA-93: node: Fix memory corruption with unnamed AF_UNIX sockets.
[18:46] CIA-93: node: AF_UNIX sockets can have a pathname, be unnamed, or abstract (Linux
[18:46] CIA-93: node: only). If an unnamed socket is returned by getsockname, getpeername, or
[18:46] CIA-93: node: accept, sun_path should not be inspected. - http://bit.ly/hBZXfY
[18:46] CIA-93: node: 03Tom Hughes 07master * rb38f471 10/ src/node_crypto.cc : 
[18:46] CIA-93: node: Fix memory leak in node_crypto.cc.
[18:46] CIA-93: node: Both HexDecode and unbase64 allocate buffers, which weren't being freed. - http://bit.ly/f7qdCl
[18:46] CIA-93: node: 03Tom Hughes 07master * r0d58353 10/ test/simple/test-buffer.js : 
[18:46] CIA-93: node: Don't access buffer data before initializing it.
[18:46] CIA-93: node: Prevents valgrind from complaining and still tests that buffer data is
[18:46] CIA-93: node: treated as unsigned. - http://bit.ly/dFcw6l
[18:47] ryah: mscdex: os.getCPUs() ?
[18:47] strixv_: tjholowaychuk: Noticed from the update in express partials object resolution (and removing the underscore) that partials that still begin with an _ will now be given capital objects
[18:47] bingomanatee: CIA-93: it would be best to learn how to use something like https://gist.github.com/ to encapsulate code on the web somewhere instead of dumping it into IRC. 
[18:47] CIA-93: node: 03Tom Hughes 07v0.2 * r6681024 10/ src/node_net.cc : 
[18:47] CIA-93: node: Fix memory corruption with unnamed AF_UNIX sockets.
[18:47] CIA-93: node: AF_UNIX sockets can have a pathname, be unnamed, or abstract (Linux
[18:47] CIA-93: node: only). If an unnamed socket is returned by getsockname, getpeername, or
[18:47] CIA-93: node: accept, sun_path should not be inspected. - http://bit.ly/gO9yGU
[18:47] CIA-93: node: 03Tom Hughes 07v0.2 * ra4c5353 10/ src/node_crypto.cc : 
[18:47] CIA-93: node: Fix memory leak in node_crypto.cc.
[18:47] CIA-93: node: Both HexDecode and unbase64 allocate buffers, which weren't being freed. - http://bit.ly/gpFQDq
[18:47] CIA-93: node: 03Tom Hughes 07v0.2 * rea3b78c 10/ test/simple/test-buffer.js : 
[18:47] CIA-93: node: Don't access buffer data before initializing it.
[18:47] CIA-93: node: Prevents valgrind from complaining and still tests that buffer data is
[18:47] CIA-93: node: treated as unsigned. - http://bit.ly/gX7Ldi
[18:47] bingomanatee: CIA-93 I did the same thing when I started out but its just good manners. 
[18:48] chapel: lol bingomanatee
[18:48] chapel: what are you talking about?
[18:48] chapel: its a bot
[18:48] bingomanatee: is that a bot?
[18:48] chapel: yeah
[18:48] bingomanatee: dur. 
[18:48] chapel: any updates to node
[18:48] tjholowaychuk: ahahah
[18:48] tjholowaychuk: :)
[18:48] strixv_: tjholowaychuk: So _partial.jade will iterate through Partial instead of partial. Mind if I change that?
[18:48] pHcF: lolololol
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[18:48] tjholowaychuk: strixv_: woah what?
[18:48] tjholowaychuk: really?
[18:48] bingomanatee: well I never
[18:48] chapel: good advice
[18:48] tjholowaychuk: strixv_: I removed the prefix
[18:48] tjholowaychuk: that must be why
[18:49] strixv_: tjholowaychuk: Yeah we have a bunch of _partial files left over from before when express had the prefix
[18:49] strixv_: tjholowaychuk: But since the method to find the object name resolves this_thing into thisThing
[18:49] tjholowaychuk: oh I see, we should still allow for them I suppose
[18:49] strixv_: right exactly
[18:49] strixv_: I can make the change, just wondering if I should fork it or just push an update to your github
[18:49] tjholowaychuk: right. it would be nice if the lookup considered '_' as well IMO
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[18:49] tjholowaychuk: sure, just a gist diff is fine
[18:49] strixv_: k
[18:50] tjholowaychuk: i prefer to apply via curl | git am
[18:50] tjholowaychuk: ideally partial('name') would try _name and then name
[18:50] bingomanatee: This is not "node" (as such) but is there a way in cURL to send the contents of a file directly to a URL as post body?
[18:50] strixv_: right, and then within _name or name, it would reference "name" as its object
[18:50] tjholowaychuk: bingomanatee: yup you can
[18:51] bingomanatee: okie - looked through the manpage -- will do more research
[18:51] tjholowaychuk: bingomanatee: curl --help | grep POST
[18:51] joeshaw: has the stacktraces-across-mainloop-boundary problem been solved yet?
[18:51] bingomanatee: thx
[18:51] tjholowaychuk: strixv_: for both yeah
[18:52] tjholowaychuk: strixv_: do you guys prefer the prefix? not sure if I should just phase it out all together
[18:52] tjholowaychuk: or not
[18:52] tjholowaychuk: i think its fine, but preferably transparent
[18:52] strixv_: the _? personally I like it. Makes it easy to see the difference without making the nesting look like java
[18:52] strixv_: like we have /views/projects/_summary
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[18:52] tjholowaychuk: yeah, i think it can be a little misleading otherwise, since "summary" could be the page template
[18:52] strixv_: and I prefer that to /views/projects/partials/summary
[18:53] strixv_: exactly
[18:53] tjholowaychuk: ok well lets do what we talked about
[18:53] strixv_: k
[18:54] strixv_: Chris also just sent you guys a pull request about ndistro
[18:55] strixv_: we've been using aliases like that so we don't depend on the repository name for the require('name')
[18:55] tjholowaychuk: ah, yeah I do symlinks for those
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[18:55] tjholowaychuk: in the .ndistro file
[18:55] tjholowaychuk: but I will check it out
[18:55] strixv_: yeah us too
[18:55] strixv_: the pull just puts the symlink name as an option along with the version
[18:56] tjholowaychuk: awesome
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[18:58] Imperion: tjholowaychuk: uh, I'm stuck
[18:58] Imperion: tjholowaychuk: are you sure there's a new-keyword-adding example?
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[18:58] tjholowaychuk: Imperion take a look at the model one, or conditionals
[18:59] Imperion: yeah, but you said keyword not filter :S
[18:59] Imperion: or I might've misunderstood that :S
[18:59] tjholowaychuk: oh, yeah sorry  you can pass the custom compiler as an option { compiler: myCompilerInstance }
[18:59] tjholowaychuk: then you dont need filters
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[19:06] Imperion: tjholowaychuk: blech, I'll stick with a filter
[19:06] Imperion: but can I make it all on the same line like
[19:06] Imperion: :include foo.jade
[19:06] Imperion: ?
[19:06] tjholowaychuk: filters require a block so no
[19:07] ryah: mscdex: looks good
[19:07] ryah: mscdex: this runs on mac and cygwin?
[19:07] Imperion: oh well
[19:07] mscdex: ryah: cool
[19:07] tjholowaychuk: Imperion: might wanna stick with the express partials or something
[19:07] Imperion: not using express
[19:07] mscdex: ryah: i haven't tried cygwin as my netbook is out of commission, but it runs also fine on osx yes
[19:07] tjholowaychuk: or a local function that renders the other template
[19:08] tjholowaychuk: Imperion: what are you using?
[19:08] mscdex: at least 10.6
[19:08] Imperion: custom shishkabob
[19:08] ryah: mscdex: ok
[19:08] tjholowaychuk: Imperion: ah :)
[19:08] Imperion: don't need the power of a framework at all
[19:09] tjholowaychuk: I see
[19:09] Imperion: it's just a couple of unrelated pages
[19:09] Imperion: (and a very special one which needs some magic)
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[19:12] chapel: mscdex: what are you talking about?
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[19:12] mscdex: chapel: additions to the os module
[19:12] chapel: oh
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[19:17] sechrist: skype is down
[19:17] sechrist: the magnetic poles are shifting
[19:17] sechrist: 2012 is upon us
[19:18] tjholowaychuk: haha
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[19:19] gkatsev: sechrist: wait, isn't there still a year to go?
[19:21] sechrist: two
[19:22] mscdex: i for one, am awaiting 2112
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[19:23] gkatsev: what about 2038?
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[19:25] Imperion: gkatsev: if there's anyone left on a 32-bit system by then, I'll be a jar of peanut butter
[19:26] gkatsev: lol
[19:26] mscdex: fat free?
[19:26] gkatsev: cory doctorow has a cool story about the epoch
[19:27] Imperion: mscdex: sure
[19:27] mraleph: ryah: Scavenge 6203.8 -> 6203.8 MB, 912 ms.
[19:27] gkatsev: chunky or smooth?
[19:28] mscdex: jif or peter pan?
[19:28] mscdex: :p
[19:28] Imperion: Ion Cannon or Rift Generator?
[19:28] mscdex: i don't think peter pan has a license for either of those
[19:29] gkatsev: chocolate swirl or regular?
[19:29] mraleph: ryah: I doubt that anybody will ever allocate 6gb of JS objects though... 
[19:29] Imperion: stop.
[19:29] devinus: ryah: i've got a tiny pull req for you https://github.com/ry/node/pull/528
[19:29] Imperion: portal time.
[19:29] gkatsev: lol
[19:30] ryah: mraleph: sweet
[19:30] isaacs: mraleph: i wouldn't be so sure.
[19:30] Imperion: 
ACTION uses a portal to send gkatsev to the moon

[19:30] gkatsev: mmm cheese
[19:30] isaacs: mraleph: it'd be neat to build a memcache-like thing in js
[19:30] gkatsev: 
ACTION blows up the Nazi hideout

[19:30] isaacs: property access is SUPER fast.
[19:30] isaacs: and you could just load tons of memory on the box
[19:30] chapel: isaacs: memcache/redis like thing
[19:30] isaacs: sure
[19:30] chapel: :)
[19:31] mraleph: isaacs: GCed languages are bad choice for such applications IMHO.
[19:31] devinus: isaacs: what do you mean property access?
[19:31] ryah: mraleph: is erik there still?
[19:31] isaacs: devinus: i mean:  return x.y
[19:31] devinus: MemcacheJS[key]
[19:31] devinus: lol
[19:31] ryah: mraleph: i guess it's night there actually
[19:31] isaacs: devinus: looking up a property of an object, especially if the object is defined by a constructor and the property is on the prototype
[19:31] devinus: isaacs: that may be oversimplifying the problem, no?
[19:31] mraleph: ryah: 20 pm :-) 
[19:31] mraleph: 8 pm
[19:32] isaacs: devinus: my point is, "6gb is enough for any js program" is probably an untrue statement.
[19:32] tmedema: Hi there, I'm interested in creating a web crawler in node.js but have questions specifically about spider traps. If anyone is interested in helping out, please check out my question on StackOverflow: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4512936/what-techniques-can-be-used-to-detect-so-called-black-holes-a-spider-trap-whe
[19:32] devinus: oh right
[19:32] isaacs: not necessarily that JS is the ideal language for a memcached rival
[19:32] isaacs: (though it'd be fun to write)
[19:33] tjholowaychuk:   /clear
[19:33] tjholowaychuk: NOOO
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[19:36] V1: mraleph / ryah  I would love to be able to allocate more memory than 6 gig per node process.. 
[19:36] ncursestest: :-D
[19:36] mraleph: V1: JS heap?
[19:36] V1: Especially if you are working with allot of socket connections, and you want to fit as many socket connections as possible on one single server. 
[19:37] V1: mraleph: yes
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[19:38] mraleph: 
ACTION sighs.

[19:39] Imperion: tjholowaychuk: is there any way I can evaluate the variables inside the text passed to a node?
[19:39] Imperion: 				:include
[19:39] Imperion: 					template #{page}
[19:39] tjholowaychuk: Imperion: yeah you have access to all the nodes
[19:39] mraleph: such GC managed heaps are beyond my comprehension... It's a nice GC implementation challenge though...
[19:39] tjholowaychuk: its kinda awkard because you have to think of them as nodes, and not regular js
[19:39] tjholowaychuk: its like inception
[19:39] tjholowaychuk: haha
[19:39] tjholowaychuk: you have to think nesting :p
[19:40] Imperion: right
[19:40] Imperion: so... could you just show me an example?
[19:40] Imperion: please?
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[19:41] tjholowaychuk: cant right now sorry
[19:41] Imperion: sigh
[19:41] tjholowaychuk: maybe after work if my gf doesnt rage
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[19:41] mscdex: heh
[19:41] tjholowaychuk: (unlikely)
[19:41] Imperion: by then I'll have probably solved it on my own
[19:41] mraleph: just imaging that I need to locate a memory leak in an application with such a huuuuge heap makes me writhe in pain
[19:41] mraleph: *imagining
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[19:43] V1: debugging memory leaks are always painfull
[19:43] mscdex: it's designed that way on purpose. job security!
[19:43] mscdex: :D
[19:44] V1: =p
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[19:47] sechrist: Does anybody maintain deb packages of node builds?
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[19:47] sechrist: of 0.3**
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[19:49] Validatorian: tjholowaychuk: is there any way to output the version of express I am using?
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[19:50] tjholowaychuk: Validatorian: yup require('express').version
[19:50] tjholowaychuk: all my libs have .version
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[19:50] mscdex: sechrist: i did awhile back
[19:51] mscdex: i had a node script that automatically built and packaged as commits rolled out
[19:51] possibilities: i don't see a way to listen to all of an EventEmitters events, is that correct?
[19:51] mscdex: possibilities: right
[19:51] possibilities: cool, thank you
[19:52] mscdex: possibilities: unless you override EventEmitter's emit function of course
[19:52] mscdex: but that's global
[19:52] mscdex: heh
[19:53] possibilities: my gut is telling me i'm looking at a bigger design issue (in my app)... need to take a shower and think about it.
[19:53] mscdex: ah
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[20:03] chapel: Validatorian: if you are using npm, you can do npm list installed
[20:04] chapel: and see what versions you have, and also if they are latest
[20:04] Validatorian: chapel: yea -- I had a rogue express in .node_libraries that was throwing things off :)
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[20:04] Validatorian: npm was saying latest, but .version was saying 1.0
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[20:05] tjholowaychuk: 1.0 is the latest
[20:07] sechrist: tjholowaychuk: so I found something weird last night with canvas
[20:07] strixv_: tjholowaychuk: When I pull with ndistro I get 2.0.0 something
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[20:07] tjholowaychuk: strixv_: yeah master is 2.0.0-pre
[20:07] sechrist: I took your clock example, and put clock(ctx) in a loop for an unscientific bench.. and it was slower than recreating a new canvas for each iteration
[20:07] chapel: hmm, who here works at github?
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[20:07] sechrist: people in #github work at #github
[20:07] tjholowaychuk: sechrist: hmm interesting
[20:08] sechrist: any way to explain that? it defied my logic
[20:08] chapel: well someone chats here often that works for #github
[20:08] sechrist: in fact making a new canvas object before clock(ctx) was about 2x faster
[20:08] sechrist: until I ran out of memory
[20:08] mscdex: chapel: technoweenie
[20:08] tjholowaychuk: sechrist: could be that clearRect() is slower than reallocating the canvas
[20:08] chapel: thats it
[20:08] chapel: :)
[20:08] chapel: thanks mscdex
[20:08] sechrist: tjholowaychuk: O.o why on earth
[20:08] mscdex: np
[20:09] tjholowaychuk: sechrist: that is my guess at least
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[20:09] ryah: mscdex: cheers
[20:09] mscdex: \o/
[20:13] mscdex: sechrist: how big is the canvas?
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[20:16] tjholowaychuk: sechrist: clearRect() probably just has more overhead since it: saves the state, draws the rect path, sets the clear operator, fills, then restores state
[20:17] tjholowaychuk: vs a single call to cairo_image_surface_create(CAIRO_FORMAT_ARGB32, w, h);
[20:17] tjholowaychuk: sechrist: might want to play with clearing via .width= (or height=)
[20:18] tjholowaychuk: that will realloc
[20:18] sechrist: hmm
[20:18] tjholowaychuk: but might still be faster than a full clearRect()
[20:18] sechrist: I was thinking I was going to gain some efficiency by reusing canvas contexts
[20:18] tjholowaychuk: probably not good to thrash memory like that though lol
[20:18] sechrist: creating news ones is killing my memory
[20:19] sechrist: I'm doing 720p frames at 30fps
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[20:19] tjholowaychuk: well yeah typically you use the same canvas/ctx
[20:19] tjholowaychuk: depending on what  you are doing
[20:20] sechrist: I mean I was
[20:20] sechrist: but I was squeezing like 2x performance out by recreating it
[20:20] sechrist: with a shitload more memory usage and GC usage
[20:21] tjholowaychuk: yeah
[20:21] sechrist: 5ms to generate a frame vs 2.1
[20:21] tjholowaychuk: hmm
[20:21] sechrist: I also have to to RGB to YUV before throwing it into our encoder thing, so every ms counts
[20:21] tjholowaychuk: considering clearRect() is often just to clear the entire ctx
[20:22] tjholowaychuk: I could add something specific
[20:22] tjholowaychuk: I could just have .clear()
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[20:23] sechrist: I guess what I'm getting at is
[20:23] sechrist: shouldn't clearing it be more efficient?
[20:23] sechrist: if it isn't, isn't that a bug?
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[20:24] sechrist: creating a canvas fills the same amount of pixels as clearRect behind the scenes I'm assuming
[20:24] creationix: tjholowaychuk: is this node-canvas you're talking about?
[20:24] tjholowaychuk: creationix: yup
[20:24] tjholowaychuk: sechrist: yeah but there is no state management etc involved
[20:25] tjholowaychuk: im sure it can be improved
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[20:25] sechrist: cairo or your bindings?
[20:25] tjholowaychuk: probably a bit of both
[20:25] tjholowaychuk: mostly mine
[20:25] tjholowaychuk: hah
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[20:25] tjholowaychuk: but one thing for example
[20:25] tjholowaychuk: is to check if w == canvas.width and h == canvas.height
[20:25] tjholowaychuk: then we can optimize for that
[20:25] tjholowaychuk: which is often the case
[20:26] creationix: tjholowaychuk: is there a way to draw the canvas to the screen, or does it only generate bitmap data?
[20:26] sechrist: wait so is clearRect clearing more pixels than the size of the canvas?
[20:26] sechrist: creationix: I'm generating h264 with it :)
[20:26] sechrist: with skype endpoints and stuff
[20:26] tjholowaychuk: creationix: would need bindings for that, right now it just works with memory
[20:26] tjholowaychuk: but I will eventually add PDF and SVG support
[20:27] sechrist: but I'm grabbing out the RGB buffer from cairo and mangling it
[20:27] creationix: sechrist: that's really cool, but probably overkill to just display it locally
[20:27] tjholowaychuk: sechrist: no, but it just takes a rect, its hard to explain but im sure we can optimize
[20:27] sechrist: creationix: oh sure.. I originally did it with socket.io but base64 overhead along with png encoding killed my framerate
[20:27] sechrist: socket.io with canvas in the browser to paint a base64 png generated by node-canvas
[20:28] tjholowaychuk: yeah I only get slow buffers in c++ land too :(
[20:28] tjholowaychuk: sucks
[20:28] sechrist: when I get around to teaching people internally how to develop with this to transition our UI, I'll make something that renders it quickly locally
[20:29] creationix: sechrist: which project?
[20:29] sechrist: I work at a teleconference startup
[20:29] creationix: nice
[20:29] sechrist: we need dynamic ui inside the video
[20:29] sechrist: and we're using flash currently
[20:29] sechrist: node-canvas is what i'm experimenting with
[20:30] tjholowaychuk: sechrist: im going to try something
[20:30] sechrist: next option is just to scrape a webkit framebuffer, but i'm trying to be more optimal than that
[20:30] tjholowaychuk: one sec
[20:31] sechrist: tjholowaychuk: you're planning SVG support? kickass. Raphael is something I've been kind of longing for
[20:31] sechrist: I don't see a simple way to do it serverside without a browser (efficiently)
[20:34] tjholowaychuk: nono I meant you can output svg from the canvas data
[20:34] tjholowaychuk: and paginated pdfs
[20:34] sechrist: ahhh
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[20:34] sechrist: we do serverside pdf manipulation so that may be interesting
[20:34] sechrist: pdfs have to sync with the conference ;)
[20:36] mscdex: pdf streaming!
[20:36] mscdex: :P
[20:37] BHSPitMo1kay: tjholowaychuk: hey, I've been looking for you
[20:37] tjholowaychuk: aha hey
[20:38] BHSPitMo1kay: when I use the Image class from node-canvas, its onload never fires
[20:38] BHSPitMo1kay: even after setting the src
[20:38] tjholowaychuk: BHSPitMo1kay: you probably get onerror
[20:38] tjholowaychuk: I have a bug there
[20:38] BHSPitMo1kay: I haven't tried in a couple weeks, though, so correct me if things are different
[20:38] tjholowaychuk: not catching properly
[20:39] tjholowaychuk: so if  you dont have .onerror defined it just gets lost in limbo
[20:39] BHSPitMo1kay: hmm
[20:39] BHSPitMo1kay: I think I had covered that
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[20:40] BHSPitMo1kay: but I'll git pull and see if it's still doing it
[20:40] tjholowaychuk: its a little messed up. I will have to see if node exposes the uncaughtException stuff or what it does
[20:40] tjholowaychuk: and do the same if onerror isnt there
[20:41] tjholowaychuk: same with errors thrown in .onerror right now they just magically disappear :)
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[20:43] BHSPitMo1kay: tjholowaychuk: you're right, onerror was being called
[20:44] BHSPitMo1kay: simple test case http://bhspitmonkey.pastebin.com/b8ewxVu0
[20:44] tjholowaychuk: ah :)
[20:44] tjholowaychuk: yes
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[20:44] BHSPitMo1kay: but it errors with basically any src I deliver
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[20:45] tjholowaychuk: i dont have http support for it
[20:45] BHSPitMo1kay: well I'm trying to set the src to a data url
[20:45] tjholowaychuk: all you can do right now is local images
[20:45] BHSPitMo1kay: I just used the http-based src as an example
[20:45] BHSPitMo1kay: oh
[20:45] tjholowaychuk: I was adding data url support but node doesnt expose any base64 stuff in c++ land
[20:45] tjholowaychuk: and I didnt get around to finding a decent lib to inline yet
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[20:46] BHSPitMo1kay: so for now I need to try to write the data url to a file, maybe...
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[20:46] tjholowaychuk: data uri support would be really nice
[20:46] tjholowaychuk: i just dont have time atm
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[20:54] strixv_: tjholowaychuk: just sent you the _ prefix stuff, with an /example
[20:54] tjholowaychuk: strixv_: awesome thanks
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[20:56] hobodave: hey guys
[20:57] hobodave: my first node.js project has reached 0.1 alpha status :D
[20:57] hobodave: I should probably call it prealpha
[20:57] hobodave: https://github.com/hobodave/logrum
[20:57] hobodave: feedback more than welcome
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[21:34] technoweenie: ryah: i think the 3gb memory limit is a bug in our process watcher
[21:35] technoweenie: not memory limit, 3gb memory usage
[21:35] chapel: technoweenie: is there any promise of gist creation api?
[21:35] technoweenie: chapel: no
[21:35] technoweenie: not a hard promise, pinky swear
[21:35] technoweenie: but yea it'll most likely happen :)
[21:36] chapel: sucks, cause I would love to be able to make them using scripts
[21:37] technoweenie: there are a few cli utilities for gist
[21:37] technoweenie: and a chrome app
[21:37] chapel: well Ill look into it
[21:37] rwaldron: whats the chrome app?
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[21:38] technoweenie: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ppnkhbfageapcimnniepboocoaggcbbd#
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[21:38] rwaldron: slick
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[21:38] mjr_: technoweenie: did you figure our your memory leak issue?
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[21:39] technoweenie: mjr_:  we think its a bug in our process watcher 
[21:39] mjr_: oh?  How did downgrading node change that?
[21:39] technoweenie: no clue
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[21:39] technoweenie: maybe something about the way child_process works? i really dont know
[21:40] technoweenie: even if you took the memory of node and all its spawned child processes (for `git archive`) and multiplied by 100 you wouldnt be at 3gb
[21:41] technoweenie: i also had `git archive | tee somepath` which dumped it to stdout, i changed it to `git archive > somepath`
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[21:42] technoweenie: so ChildProcess.spawn isnt seeing a ton of data go through stdout
[21:42] technoweenie: i originally wanted to simultaneously stream the archive git data to the filesystem and the output web response, which is why i was using tee
[21:43] ryah: technoweenie: what?
[21:44] ryah: 3gb ?
[21:44] technoweenie: what what
[21:45] mjr_: computers are hard
[21:45] technoweenie: [13:37:39] arch1.rs.github.com - nodeload-7003 [trigger] memory out of bounds [*2583117824kb, *2584002560kb] (MemoryUsage)
[21:46] mjr_: If node really was using 3GB, that would be pretty surprising. 
[21:46] mjr_: Maybe not if you have a lot of very large buffers.  But otherwise, 3GB is bad.
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[21:59] jesusabdullah: So, javascript has officially become my go-to language <_<
[21:59] jesusabdullah: whups ;)
[21:59] jesusabdullah: https://gist.github.com/752118
[22:00] jesusabdullah: Family's going on a cruise, Dad's all about the roulettes
[22:01] stagas: jesusabdullah: lol there are patterns!
[22:01] stagas: :)
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[22:02] chapel: you know
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[22:02] chapel: I wonder why no one has made an html5 poker game
[22:02] chapel: I think node.js and websockets would be good for it
[22:02] tjholowaychuk: im sure they have
[22:02] tjholowaychuk: that one pool game was awesome
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[22:03] stagas: chapel: I started one but was too lazy to continue when I got to the algorithms of deciding winning poker hands
[22:03] jesusabdullah: I think part of it is that gambling isn't particularly interesting
[22:03] chapel: heh yeah
[22:03] jesusabdullah: Also, a lot of gambling computer game effort is put into completing the illusion of it being a physical system
[22:04] stagas: there's a fairly new one that's pretty good though
[22:04] jesusabdullah: Otherwise you're just mashing the random button on the computer ;)
[22:04] jesusabdullah: I think poker is more interesting than roulette
[22:05] jesusabdullah: I think it'd actually be pretty easy to make a roulette table interface on a computer, then use dnode or something to communicate bets, winnings, etc. to a node instance
[22:05] jesusabdullah: Add accounts and paypal and you have a sketchy online casino business!
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[22:06] jesusabdullah: Alright, computer power is almost gone
[22:06] jesusabdullah: 
ACTION & D:

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[22:12] traviscline: does anyone have information on the relationship with upstream libeio
[22:13] traviscline: it doesn't seem like all the changes are making it back there, essentially making the version in node a fork
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[22:32] CIA-93: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07debugger * r3e83de9 10/ (lib/_debugger.js test/simple/test-debugger-client.js): Add more debugger tests - http://bit.ly/gB2CE1
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[22:41] CIA-93: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07debugger * r4ebbbd4 10/ (lib/_debugger.js test/simple/test-debugger-client.js): Debugger client emits ready after recving initial res - http://bit.ly/f2Mcm4
[22:45] sechrist: how do I get a list of files that are installed with node?
[22:45] sechrist: looking through wscript for install_files doesn't seem to be everything
[22:46] AAA_awright: It only seems to be about a dozen or so... make install will tell you
[22:46] AAA_awright: Try it without sudo maybe?
[22:46] sechrist: it just fails out without sudo
[22:46] AAA_awright: I wonder if there's a pretend
[22:46] sechrist: configure if I can set a prefix
[22:46] sechrist: s/configure/wonder
[22:46] AAA_awright: Yeah set PREFIX=.
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[22:52] sechrist: ~/node/nodeinstall$ find . | wc -l
[22:52] sechrist: 80
[22:52] sechrist: 80 files
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[23:14] sh1mmer: anyone know if dannycoates hangs out on IRC?
[23:15] tjholowaychuk: not sure, for some reason i dont think so
[23:15] tjholowaychuk: unless his nick is really different
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[23:16] sh1mmer: I'm trying to get the v8-profiler working
[23:16] sh1mmer: the npm install doesn't work
[23:17] tjholowaychuk: yeah messed up for me too both < 0.3.x and 0.3.x
[23:17] sh1mmer: I'm on 0.3.3-pre
[23:18] sh1mmer: and the latest github commit says fixing for 0.3.2-pre
[23:18] sh1mmer: so I'm going to try and roll back to that with nave
[23:19] tjholowaychuk: no luck for me, really wanted to check it out
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[23:21] sh1mmer: yeah
[23:22] sh1mmer: are you building on a mac?
[23:22] sh1mmer: I might try on ubuntu and see how that goes
[23:23] tjholowaychuk: yup
[23:23] tjholowaychuk: 10.6.5
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[23:41] sh1mmer: tjholowaychuk: have you had any luck with mape's node-profile on 3.x? 
[23:41] tjholowaychuk: sh1mmer: havent tried on 3.x
[23:41] sh1mmer: 
ACTION tries on 2.x

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[23:43] tjholowaychuk: i remember it breaking a while back so I went back to using the boring non-colored tick processor
[23:43] tjholowaychuk: but colors are nice :D
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[23:55] mscdex: someone ought to rewrite phpvirtualbox to use node.js on the backend instead
[23:55] mscdex: ;>
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